From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jun 1 03:14:36 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:14:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally Message-ID: I hope to see a few list members at the Manilla Rally this weekend. My engine is loaded but it just needs a little TLC before the weekend. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jun 2 14:13:43 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:13:43 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Another one lives./Update Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090602223836.0245eea8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Some progress with the Maytag Twin thanks to suggestions from the list. Following Mark's info on the timing I removed the backplate from the other Maytag and fitted it to this one. (Should there be a bit of play when those lugs are lined up - maybe a degree or so either way ?) Where I had it set previously was definitely more out than this - probably about 4 degrees retarded. I also fitted the muffler from the other Maytag (not a washing machine engine - this was a battery charger - I think Mark mentioned "Winpower Genset") and it really tames the little bugger down. I've started it up and also adjusted the governor slightly (about 1/2 a turn anticlockwise to speed it up a little) - how sensitive is this setting? Until I get my rev counter sorted out it is difficult for me to judge. It has sped up a bit. I'm also experimenting with spark plug gap - the Briggs coil may not be supplying as strong a spark as the original Maytag coil. I originally had the gap set at 0.020" but am down to 0.014" now and there is a definite improvement. When I short out 1 plug the engine actually runs much better but this difference is getting less noticeable as I make the sparkplug gap smaller. Suggestions and comments welcome. It's still not running as smoothly as I imagine it should but this is the first Maytag twin I've seen so have nothing to judge it against. Another video taken this evening is here: This one is 30 seconds long (640 x 480) and is 2.85 Megabytes. (Reg, that video tutorial is getting closer - I used this as a test). Any comments and suggestions will be welcomed. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jun 2 16:08:51 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:08:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another one lives./Update In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090602223836.0245eea8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: Not being a Maytag expert, I'll jump in here anyway. If the engine runs better with one plug shorted or with the gaps knocked down, I'd suspect weak spark from misadjusted points, condenser(!) or bad coil. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 04:14 PM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Another one lives./Update > > > Hi All, > Some progress with the Maytag Twin > thanks to suggestions from the > list. .....................snip........................ > I'm also experimenting with spark plug > gap - the Briggs coil may > not be supplying as strong a spark as the > original Maytag coil. I > originally had the gap set at 0.020" but am down > to 0.014" now and there is > a definite improvement. When I short out 1 plug > the engine actually runs > much better but this difference is getting less > noticeable as I make the > sparkplug gap smaller. Suggestions and comments welcome. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 15:45:44 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:45:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Show Message-ID: <6f6025160906021545k4edbbf76sf41a14beb32c0555@mail.gmail.com> Just back home again after a fantastic weekend. Ferry trip both ways was very smooth and weather excellent, our son't Land Rover had a bit of overheating trouble, but made it OK to the show. Engine variety was very good, attendees from the UK was up to 48 from 11 last year, we saw George, Arnie, Mike & Steve etc on the Sunday, they looked a little jet lagged but were enjoying themselves. We took 6 engines, including one of our friends who came with us, and subsequently sold 4 of those to a local WWII museum near Eindhoven. We actually sold 3 and donated the fourth to the museum. Drove about 500 miles in all, plus the two Ferry sectors of 6-1/2 hours each way. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 2 19:41:34 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:41:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem Message-ID: Folks I need to apply equal amounts of water at 16 locations around a rectangular square made if 1/2" pvc pipe. (8 locations down each side and none on ends) The length of each side of the rectangle is 111" and the ends are 27". http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/?action=view¤t=diagram.jpg One man told me to drill 1/4" holes at each of the 16 locations but I argued with him that the first few 1/4" holes located closest to the input of the water would get more water than the rest and he said it would not.....well they did. The first 4 holes on each side of the PVC closest to the inlet of the water shot out streams of water about 4" long and the last holes, the ones furthest away from the inlet of the water just dribbled water. I am only drilling holes down the length of the rectangle and none on the ends. The PVC pipe size is 1/2" and as stated above the length of each side is 111" long. I use a 5/8" water hose (it only has a 1/2" bore size) to bring water to the inlet of the rectangle. The bore size of the 1/2" pvc pipe is .485", almost 1/2". The water flow rate is 5 gpm per minute coming out of the end of the 5/8 hose. Can someone tell me how to plumb the rectangle in order to achieve an equal flow of water at each of the 16 drilled hole outlets. I would assume I will have to start out with small holes closest to the inlet and gradually get bigger towards the end opposite the inlet of the water. I just want the water to dribble out and not shoot out in streams and I need, as close as I can get it, equal amounts coming out at each of the 16 drilled locations. At each of these 16 locations there is a tomato plant. I am trying to calculate how long to leave the water on in order to be able to supply 1" of water to each plant as the tomato plants require 1" of water weekly and more during the hot months. I will appreciate any and all help on this. Thanks, Paul From blcksmth at wcnet.org Tue Jun 2 21:21:59 2009 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:21:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would think that very very small holes at the 16 locations so that the water flow from each is a very small percentage of the flow in the main pipe so as to maintain constant pressure throughout the system. As it is the pressure drops after each discharge hole. You could start with a larger diameter pipe up front and reduce the diameter after each opening which, I think, is the accepted method. If all the holes are already drilled and the system is level, I would try turning all the discharge holes to the top of the pipe and use a very slow flow rate in order to fill the entire pipe and let it slowly run out over the pipe to keep the flow rate slow but hopefully stabilize the pressure along the whole length. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:42 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem Folks I need to apply equal amounts of water at 16 locations around a rectangular square made if 1/2" pvc pipe. (8 locations down each side and none on ends) The length of each side of the rectangle is 111" and the ends are 27". http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/?action=view¤t=dia gram.jpg One man told me to drill 1/4" holes at each of the 16 locations but I argued with him that the first few 1/4" holes located closest to the input of the water would get more water than the rest and he said it would not.....well they did. The first 4 holes on each side of the PVC closest to the inlet of the water shot out streams of water about 4" long and the last holes, the ones furthest away from the inlet of the water just dribbled water. I am only drilling holes down the length of the rectangle and none on the ends. The PVC pipe size is 1/2" and as stated above the length of each side is 111" long. I use a 5/8" water hose (it only has a 1/2" bore size) to bring water to the inlet of the rectangle. The bore size of the 1/2" pvc pipe is .485", almost 1/2". The water flow rate is 5 gpm per minute coming out of the end of the 5/8 hose. Can someone tell me how to plumb the rectangle in order to achieve an equal flow of water at each of the 16 drilled hole outlets. I would assume I will have to start out with small holes closest to the inlet and gradually get bigger towards the end opposite the inlet of the water. I just want the water to dribble out and not shoot out in streams and I need, as close as I can get it, equal amounts coming out at each of the 16 drilled locations. At each of these 16 locations there is a tomato plant. I am trying to calculate how long to leave the water on in order to be able to supply 1" of water to each plant as the tomato plants require 1" of water weekly and more during the hot months. I will appreciate any and all help on this. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From george at irontrader.com Tue Jun 2 21:40:59 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:40:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] EHOWT WAS (Re: Nuenen Show) References: <6f6025160906021545k4edbbf76sf41a14beb32c0555@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4227F7CF6B204546AD758CCC252D46A8@BLUE2> Jet lagged??? You should have seen us on Friday night! I had been up for 35 hours before getting to bed Friday night. We're all pretty well adjusted to the time now, but we're going until midnight almost every night. 11pm is an early night for us. Had a hard time finding a place to get dinner last night. Finally found a place that served dinner till 10pm and we got in just in time to order our meal. We've been having a ball on this trip and having great weather. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "Stationary-Engine" Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:45 PM Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Show > Just back home again after a fantastic weekend. > > Ferry trip both ways was very smooth and weather excellent, our son't > Land Rover had a bit of overheating trouble, but made it OK to the > show. > > Engine variety was very good, attendees from the UK was up to 48 from > 11 last year, we saw George, Arnie, Mike & Steve etc on the Sunday, > they looked a little jet lagged but were enjoying themselves. > > We took 6 engines, including one of our friends who came with us, and > subsequently sold 4 of those to a local WWII museum near Eindhoven. We > actually sold 3 and donated the fourth to the museum. > > Drove about 500 miles in all, plus the two Ferry sectors of 6-1/2 > hours each way. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MaytagTwin at aol.com Tue Jun 2 21:51:12 2009 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:51:12 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem Message-ID: Hi Paul, Get a handful of stainless sheet metal panhead screws that will thread into the holes you have made. Use your small pocket knife blade to make a notch in the side of each hole in the pvc that the panhead can just cover. Don't worry, if you make it too large just use a flat washer with the screw. Notch all the holes, install the screws, run the rectangle full of water and then begin adjusting the flow individually until you are satisfied. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, MO **************We found the real ?Hotel California? and the ?Seinfeld? diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew00000007) From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Wed Jun 3 00:35:04 2009 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:35:04 +0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem References: Message-ID: <54AE6CAEE934432EBAC718E963387E36@armstrong> hello Paul, Pascals law is " pressure is equal and undiminished in hydraulic circuit" but when you fit holes to it you get pressure drop due to the water flowing out the holes, 1/4" holes are to big, 1/16th" would be better. work out the area of a 1/4" hole multiplied by the number of holes is would be more than the 1/2" pipe in. Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > Folks I need to apply equal amounts of water at 16 locations around a > rectangular square made if 1/2" pvc pipe. (8 locations down each side and > none on ends) > > The length of each side of the rectangle is 111" and the ends are 27". > > http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/?action=view¤t=diagram.jpg > > One man told me to drill 1/4" holes at each of the 16 locations but I > argued with him that the first few 1/4" holes located closest to the input > of the water would get more water than the rest and he said it would > not.....well they did. The first 4 holes on each side of the PVC closest > to the inlet of the water shot out streams of water about 4" long and the > last holes, the ones furthest away from the inlet of the water just > dribbled water. > > I am only drilling holes down the length of the rectangle and none on the > ends. The PVC pipe size is 1/2" and as stated above the length of each > side is 111" long. > > I use a 5/8" water hose (it only has a 1/2" bore size) to bring water to > the inlet of the rectangle. The bore size of the 1/2" pvc pipe is .485", > almost 1/2". > > The water flow rate is 5 gpm per minute coming out of the end of the 5/8 > hose. > > Can someone tell me how to plumb the rectangle in order to achieve an > equal flow of water at each of the 16 drilled hole outlets. I would assume > I will have to start out with small holes closest to the inlet and > gradually get bigger towards the end opposite the inlet of the water. I > just want the water to dribble out and not shoot out in streams and I > need, as close as I can get it, equal amounts coming out at each of the 16 > drilled locations. > > At each of these 16 locations there is a tomato plant. I am trying to > calculate how long to leave the water on in order to be able to supply 1" > of water to each plant as the tomato plants require 1" of water weekly and > more during the hot months. > > I will appreciate any and all help on this. > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Wed Jun 3 01:02:14 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:02:14 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28294.203.39.62.50.1244016134.squirrel@www.emeraldscouts.org.au> Do the tomato leaves have five points? Hehehe... Anyway... why not use drip irrigation instead of flowing water? You can set the drippers to run at whatever rate you want. The pressure in the pipe keeps them all fairly equal. Regards Paul > At each of these 16 locations there is a tomato plant. I am trying to > calculate how long to leave the water on in order to be able to supply 1" > of water to each plant as the tomato plants require 1" of water weekly and > more during the hot months. > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 3 08:28:26 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:28:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem References: Message-ID: Thanks Bob. I have been told that 1 gallon of water will cover 230 cubic inches to a dept of 1". I measured my water flow from the end of the hose coming from my water faucet and it is 5 gpm per minute. I know that my actual bed size is 117.5" X 39.5" or 4641.3 cubic inches of soil surface. 1 gallon of water = 230 ci so I divide my total soil surface of 4641.3 by 230 which = 20.1 gallons of water needed to achieve a water penetration depth of 1" over my soil surface. Knowing that my flow rate is 5 GPM/minute I now divide the 20.1 gallons needed by 5 gpm/min (actual flow rate) and find I would need to leave the water on for 4 minutes in order to achieve a 1" depth of water penetration over the bed area. In order for this to work I will need to get an equal flow out of each of the dispensing holes or some parts of the bed will get more and some get less of the water. This is my problem, trying to achieve an equal amount of water out of each orifice. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Willman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > I would think that very very small holes at the 16 locations so that > the water flow from each is a very small percentage of the flow in the > main > pipe so as to maintain constant pressure throughout the system. As it is > the > pressure drops after each discharge hole. You could start with a larger > diameter pipe up front and reduce the diameter after each opening which, I > think, is the accepted method. > If all the holes are already drilled and the system is level, I > would try turning all the discharge holes to the top of the pipe and use a > very slow flow rate in order to fill the entire pipe and let it slowly run > out over the pipe to keep the flow rate slow but hopefully stabilize the > pressure along the whole length. > > > Bob Willman From enginepaul at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 08:29:19 2009 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:29:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0906030829q1ff2bc09xffbb24a9cd00d6f@mail.gmail.com> Paul: I'm getting into this a little late, but those are all good answers. I have a certificate in plumbing engineering but I haven't calculated anythings since we used pencil and paper. (I feel old) I'd look into a commercially available drip system first because the nozzles are probably adjustable. Next I'd try the smaller hole thing. If you do try to calculate the system, forget Pascal's Law for this system because there is a pressure drop at each hole and there is energy lost in the pipe; if there is an elevation change, that adds another calculation. You need the General Energy Equation and for accuracy, the friction coefficient of the pipe surface. Now, I'm not even sure about this and all my reference books are put away from my move, but the loss from a hard right angle will absorb some of the energy. If I find the books, I might try to figure this out for practice but if you want the fastest results, try the screws in the holes method because it will be a lot faster and should work. Oh yea, some water supplies from cities vary greatly during the day, so re-check your flow every now and then if it varies greatly. (That is why plumbing starts leaking at night) You got some smart people helping you here. (Other than me) Paul in California, heading to the store to buy foreign grown tomatoes. From kkinney at herculesengines.com Wed Jun 3 08:44:47 2009 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:44:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5722D54D-D6BA-46BB-921A-63277EA7897F@herculesengines.com> Paul Your 5 gpm I assume is from an unrestricted hose. As soon as you restrict the flow won't your gpm decrease thus voiding your calculations? Keith On Jun 3, 2009, at 10:28 AM, wrote: > Thanks Bob. > > I have been told that 1 gallon of water will cover 230 cubic inches > to a > dept of 1". I measured my water flow from the end of the hose coming > from my > water faucet and it is 5 gpm per minute. I know that my actual bed > size is > 117.5" X 39.5" or 4641.3 cubic inches of soil surface. 1 gallon of > water = > 230 ci so I divide my total soil surface of 4641.3 by 230 which = 20.1 > gallons of water needed to achieve a water penetration depth of 1" > over my > soil surface. Knowing that my flow rate is 5 GPM/minute I now divide > the > 20.1 gallons needed by 5 gpm/min (actual flow rate) and find I would > need to > leave the water on for 4 minutes in order to achieve a 1" depth of > water > penetration over the bed area. > > In order for this to work I will need to get an equal flow out of > each of > the dispensing holes or some parts of the bed will get more and some > get > less of the water. This is my problem, trying to achieve an equal > amount of > water out of each orifice. > > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Willman" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" engine.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > > >> I would think that very very small holes at the 16 locations so that >> the water flow from each is a very small percentage of the flow in >> the >> main >> pipe so as to maintain constant pressure throughout the system. As >> it is >> the >> pressure drops after each discharge hole. You could start with a >> larger >> diameter pipe up front and reduce the diameter after each opening >> which, I >> think, is the accepted method. >> If all the holes are already drilled and the system is level, I >> would try turning all the discharge holes to the top of the pipe >> and use a >> very slow flow rate in order to fill the entire pipe and let it >> slowly run >> out over the pipe to keep the flow rate slow but hopefully >> stabilize the >> pressure along the whole length. >> >> >> Bob Willman > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Jun 3 10:50:27 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:50:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul: I think what I'd do would be to use the PVC pipe as a manifold to which I would attach a number of irrigation drip heads. Go to a big box store and look at the Rainbird and other systems. You can get drip heads that can be used with 1/2" NPT (I think) PVC nipples which, in turn, are screwed into 1/2" NPT holes in the manifold. They are adjustable so you can balance the system close enough for Mother Nature. What, me engineer??!! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:28 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: MaytagTwin at aol.com; k_armstrong at arach.net.au > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water > Flow Problem From marinesurveys at msn.com Wed Jun 3 09:48:19 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:48:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Paul; Why not just use a soaker hose Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:28:26 -0600 > CC: MaytagTwin at aol.com; k_armstrong at arach.net.au > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > > Thanks Bob. > > I have been told that 1 gallon of water will cover 230 cubic inches to a > dept of 1". I measured my water flow from the end of the hose coming from my > water faucet and it is 5 gpm per minute. I know that my actual bed size is > 117.5" X 39.5" or 4641.3 cubic inches of soil surface. 1 gallon of water = > 230 ci so I divide my total soil surface of 4641.3 by 230 which = 20.1 > gallons of water needed to achieve a water penetration depth of 1" over my > soil surface. Knowing that my flow rate is 5 GPM/minute I now divide the > 20.1 gallons needed by 5 gpm/min (actual flow rate) and find I would need to > leave the water on for 4 minutes in order to achieve a 1" depth of water > penetration over the bed area. > > In order for this to work I will need to get an equal flow out of each of > the dispensing holes or some parts of the bed will get more and some get > less of the water. This is my problem, trying to achieve an equal amount of > water out of each orifice. > > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Willman" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > > > > I would think that very very small holes at the 16 locations so that > > the water flow from each is a very small percentage of the flow in the > > main > > pipe so as to maintain constant pressure throughout the system. As it is > > the > > pressure drops after each discharge hole. You could start with a larger > > diameter pipe up front and reduce the diameter after each opening which, I > > think, is the accepted method. > > If all the holes are already drilled and the system is level, I > > would try turning all the discharge holes to the top of the pipe and use a > > very slow flow rate in order to fill the entire pipe and let it slowly run > > out over the pipe to keep the flow rate slow but hopefully stabilize the > > pressure along the whole length. > > > > > > Bob Willman > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jun 3 11:12:21 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:12:21 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Another one lives./Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090603185443.018c1500@mail.atech.co.za> At 06:00 PM 03/06/2009, you wrote: >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:08:51 -0500 >From: "Elden DuRand" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Another one lives./Update > >Jerry: >Not being a Maytag expert, I'll jump in here anyway. >If the engine runs better with one plug shorted or with the gaps knocked >down, I'd suspect weak spark from misadjusted points, condenser(!) or bad coil. >Take care - Elden >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Thanks Elden, Every bit of info is something new that I learn from the list and I'm grateful for it. Weak spark is also my concern. As mentioned previously, I'm wondering if the spark from this Briggs coil is not as strong as the original Maytag coil. Some questions follow. I know that the points are correct for the Maytag. 0.020" checked and rechecked after turning over a few times (I did it a few times to be sure) - this is also the same setting that others doing this conversion have stuck to. What would be the effect of opening or closing this (ignition point) gap a few thou ? In my ignorance I assume that it would advance or retard the timing or would it have an effect on the "strength" of the spark as well ? I had not considered the condenser - I was assuming that if there was a spark then the condenser must be O.K. - Does a condenser get "weaker" as it ages or does it just "stop" working - would an old condenser make a difference to the strength of the spark (I'm showing my ignorance here). I'll add new condensers to my order to Mark. (Mark are you reading this - make that 2 for the twin and 1 for the single (92) thanks) but in the meanwhile could anyone tell me what "modern" condenser I could substitute as a test. Elden remember also, that I'm quite happy with the way it is running (did you look at the video) and maybe I'm just be expecting too much after what other people have said about it's smoothness. I think it's running great considering that it is not pulling a load but maybe there is something better (Arnie and Dave - as Peter mentioned - go away! :-)) The main problem I have at present is that it's hard to start with the kick starter - I can start it with the kickstarter when it's warmed up but not all that easily - it also starts easier (with the kick start) if I short one plug to earth ie. the full strength of the spark goes to one cylinder (or spark plug). I've still got it mounted on a bench so my arm must provide the "kickstart" power - I assume that my arm is not as powerful as the average 1940's midwestern housewives leg :-) Currently I'm starting it with an electric drill and it starts very easily after just a few revs. Elden, you mentioned that you were not familiar with the Maytag and for that reason allow my to explain the following which may influence your reply: The Maytag coil winding (the one that creates the spark - is that primary or secondary - I can never remember ?) is not earthed - both plugs fire at the same time - the "path" of the spark is as follows - from coil to first plug (the spark jumps the gap) and then using the engine block as a conductor (not ground) to the second plug (jumps the gap again) and thereafter back to the coil. Many people find this hard to understand (I'm one of them) but that is how it works. That's the reason that, if you short one plug straight to the block it is easier to start - the full "power" of the spark only has to jump one gap (not two). Shorting one plug lead to the block is not the same as removing a plug lead from one plug - doing that could build up too much tension in the coil and cause damage to it. Certain Briggs & Stratton, Wisconsin and Onan twin cylinder engines used the same system - which explains why I've used a Briggs coil. I've got other things to check on this engine as well but it's been a really nice learning experience so far. Thanks for your interest and help. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jun 3 14:20:31 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Another one lives./Update In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090603185443.018c1500@mail.atech.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090603185443.018c1500@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: <2308.165.206.180.130.1244064031.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Condensers can leak or be weak - they leak current through the inner insulation and thus don't hold or store as much energy as well. I'd close that gap a bit - give the coil more time to saturate. Closing the points means that they open a tad later after more lines of force have been able to move through the coil. give it a shot........ Bill > At 06:00 PM 03/06/2009, you wrote: >>Message: 2 >>Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:08:51 -0500 >>From: "Elden DuRand" >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Another one lives./Update >> >>Jerry: >>Not being a Maytag expert, I'll jump in here anyway. >>If the engine runs better with one plug shorted or with the gaps knocked >>down, I'd suspect weak spark from misadjusted points, condenser(!) or bad >> coil. >>Take care - Elden >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > Thanks Elden, > Every bit of info is something new that I learn from the list and > I'm grateful for it. > > Weak spark is also my concern. As mentioned previously, I'm > wondering if the spark from this Briggs coil is not as strong as the > original Maytag coil. Some questions follow. > > I know that the points are correct for the Maytag. 0.020" checked > and rechecked after turning over a few times (I did it a few times to be > sure) - this is also the same setting that others doing this conversion > have stuck to. > > What would be the effect of opening or closing this (ignition > point) gap a few thou ? In my ignorance I assume that it would advance or > retard the timing or would it have an effect on the "strength" of the > spark > as well ? > > I had not considered the condenser - I was assuming that if there > was a spark then the condenser must be O.K. - Does a condenser get > "weaker" > as it ages or does it just "stop" working - would an old condenser make a > difference to the strength of the spark (I'm showing my ignorance here). > > I'll add new condensers to my order to Mark. (Mark are you > reading > this - make that 2 for the twin and 1 for the single (92) thanks) but in > the meanwhile could anyone tell me what "modern" condenser I could > substitute as a test. > > Elden remember also, that I'm quite happy with the way it is > running (did you look at the video) and maybe I'm just be > expecting too much after what other people have said about it's > smoothness. > I think it's running great considering that it is not pulling a load but > maybe there is something better (Arnie and Dave - as Peter mentioned - go > away! :-)) > > The main problem I have at present is that it's hard to start > with > the kick starter - I can start it with the kickstarter when it's warmed up > but not all that easily - it also starts easier (with the kick start) if I > short one plug to earth ie. the full strength of the spark goes to one > cylinder (or spark plug). I've still got it mounted on a bench so my arm > must provide the "kickstart" power - I assume that my arm is not as > powerful as the average 1940's midwestern housewives leg :-) > Currently I'm starting it with an electric drill and it starts > very easily after just a few revs. > > Elden, you mentioned that you were not familiar with the Maytag > and for that reason allow my to explain the following which may influence > your reply: > The Maytag coil winding (the one that creates the spark - is that > primary or secondary - I can never remember ?) is not earthed - both plugs > fire at the same time - the "path" of the spark is as follows - from coil > to first plug (the spark jumps the gap) and then using the engine block as > a conductor (not ground) to the second plug (jumps the gap again) and > thereafter back to the coil. Many people find this hard to understand (I'm > one of them) but that is how it works. That's the reason that, if you > short > one plug straight to the block it is easier to start - the full "power" of > the spark only has to jump one gap (not two). Shorting one plug lead to > the > block is not the same as removing a plug lead from one plug - doing that > could build up too much tension in the coil and cause damage to it. > Certain > Briggs & Stratton, Wisconsin and Onan twin cylinder engines used the same > system - which explains why I've used a Briggs coil. > > I've got other things to check on this engine as well but it's > been a really nice learning experience so far. > > Thanks for your interest and help. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Jun 3 18:28:02 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:28:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another one lives./Update In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090603185443.018c1500@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: I'll try to answer your questions without quoting all of your message. > Weak spark is also my concern. As > mentioned previously, I'm > wondering if the spark from this Briggs coil is > not as strong as the > original Maytag coil. The magnets on the flywheel may be weak. Also, if the shape of the pole pieces on the coil where the magnets pass don't pretty much exactly match the flywheel, the spark will be poor. Gap between the magnets and the coil should be about the thickness of a business card. > What would be the effect of opening or > closing this (ignition > point) gap a few thou ? Yes, the timing would be affected but the point gap (dwell) could have some effect on the output of the coil. > I had not considered the condenser - I > was assuming that if there > was a spark then the condenser must be O.K. - Condensers are prone to the effects of aging. The dielectric (internal insulation) can break down, making the condenser more like a resistor - not good! A substitute is easy to get. Just go into your auto parts junque box and find a condenser for any point-coil-battery sy Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > I'll add new condensers to my order to > Mark. (Mark are you reading > this - make that 2 for the twin and 1 for the > single (92) thanks) but in > the meanwhile could anyone tell me what "modern" > condenser I could > substitute as a test. > > Elden remember also, that I'm quite > happy with the way it is > running (did you look at the > video) and maybe I'm just be > expecting too much after what other people have > said about it's smoothness. > I think it's running great considering that it is > not pulling a load but > maybe there is something better (Arnie and Dave - > as Peter mentioned - go > away! :-)) > > The main problem I have at present is > that it's hard to start with > the kick starter - I can start it with the > kickstarter when it's warmed up > but not all that easily - it also starts easier > (with the kick start) if I > short one plug to earth ie. the full strength of > the spark goes to one > cylinder (or spark plug). I've still got it > mounted on a bench so my arm > must provide the "kickstart" power - I assume > that my arm is not as > powerful as the average 1940's midwestern > housewives leg :-) > Currently I'm starting it with an > electric drill and it starts > very easily after just a few revs. > > Elden, you mentioned that you were not > familiar with the Maytag > and for that reason allow my to explain the > following which may influence > your reply: > The Maytag coil winding (the one that > creates the spark - is that > primary or secondary - I can never remember ?) is > not earthed - both plugs > fire at the same time - the "path" of the spark > is as follows - from coil > to first plug (the spark jumps the gap) and then > using the engine block as > a conductor (not ground) to the second plug > (jumps the gap again) and > thereafter back to the coil. Many people find > this hard to understand (I'm > one of them) but that is how it works. That's the > reason that, if you short > one plug straight to the block it is easier to > start - the full "power" of > the spark only has to jump one gap (not two). > Shorting one plug lead to the > block is not the same as removing a plug lead > from one plug - doing that > could build up too much tension in the coil and > cause damage to it. Certain > Briggs & Stratton, Wisconsin and Onan twin > cylinder engines used the same > system - which explains why I've used a Briggs coil. > > I've got other things to check on this > engine as well but it's > been a really nice learning experience so far. > > Thanks for your interest and help. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Wed Jun 3 19:49:00 2009 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:49:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] 1 1/5 HP Stinkney Message-ID: Need a little help on what a 1 1/2 HP Stinkney is worth and about the year of the engine. Serial number around 6450 or so and the flywheels have solid balance between 2 spokes. Thanks KK **************Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222616459x1201464730/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.d oubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215218145%3B37264238%3Bd) From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jun 3 20:58:04 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:58:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 1 1/5 HP Stinkney In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3AFBA4C7A6E4424D9C0589D0FA027679@larue10ijlvccx> Kevin, Not many of them around. I had a nice one that I traded off and if you'll send me a message off list I'll discuss the value with you. Here's some photos of my engine: http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/15HPStickney# Like a dummy I had a gent catch me at a weak moment and talked me out of it. My engine was the only one that had the original fuel pump on it. I loaned the pump to Jim Zook and he had 3 or 4 of them made for folks that needed them. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:49 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] 1 1/5 HP Stinkney Need a little help on what a 1 1/2 HP Stinkney is worth and about the year of the engine. Serial number around 6450 or so and the flywheels have solid balance between 2 spokes. Thanks KK **************Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222616459x1201464730/aol?redir =http:%2F%2Fad.d oubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215218145%3B37264238%3Bd) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.30/2115 - Release Date: 06/03/09 18:00:00 From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Thu Jun 4 06:39:00 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:39:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Does anyone have a current email address for Leroy Clarke? Message-ID: <4A27CE74.7050607@steamengine.com.au> Does anyone have a current email address for Leroy Clarke? Phone number would be ok too. Thanks Paul From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Jun 4 07:17:43 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:17:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Does anyone have a current email address for Leroy Clarke? In-Reply-To: <4A27CE74.7050607@steamengine.com.au> References: <4A27CE74.7050607@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <20090604141743.C65C533C03D8@mail06.wcoil.com> I have not used this number in a while but this is what I have. 419.310.2557 Seen him and his family last Friday at the VFW Fish fry in Ada. TTYL, Mark At 09:39 AM 6/4/2009, you wrote: >Does anyone have a current email address for Leroy Clarke? > >Phone number would be ok too. > >Thanks >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.53/2154 - Release Date: >06/04/09 05:53:00 Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Jun 4 07:21:33 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:21:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Does anyone have a current email address for Leroy Clarke? Message-ID: <20090604142133.8CD0D3E4745@mail05.wcoil.com> I have not used this email either in a while but this is what I have. "Leroy" 419.310.2557 TTYL, Mark At 09:39 AM 6/4/2009, you wrote: >Does anyone have a current email address for Leroy Clarke? > >Phone number would be ok too. > >Thanks >Paul >_______________________________________________ Mark Shulaw Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601 USA From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Jun 4 09:11:43 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:11:43 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59304.168.215.206.73.1244131903.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Paul, You got the answer you needed from Kevin Armstrong in Oz concerning area of the header and combined area of the small holes. My garden rows are straight and about 40' long. Years ago I made an irrigation pipe to quickly (why soaker hoses are useless) irrigate each row. Made the 40' length of 1" PVC pipe. I drilled a hole every foot, so there were 40 holes. The holes are all 1/8" diameter. The total area of the 40, 1/8" holes is about 1/2 of the cross sectional area of the 1" PVC header. This irrigation pipe works beautifully. I put the pipe on a row, run it a few minutes until water is puddling, and then pull the pipe 6" and let it run another few minutes. I have the same 5 GPM source you have. Someone mentioned 1/16" holes. No good. Even with the 1/8" holes, I occasionally have to take a pine needle or something and "rod" a few of the holes to re-establish good flow. You are close on your 230. It is 231 cu inches to the gallon. 1 gallon will cover 230 SQUARE inches to a depth of 1" In summary, make your header out of large diameter pipe (1") and the holes small (1/8"). Don't worry so much about the time. Just hook up the hose, and by the time you've finished a cold one, your 'mater roots will be wet enough. Last, you might consider turning the holes up. I run mine this way so you have an instant visual if a hole is partially plugged. In your case, a rectangular header as I recall you said, it will also make cleaning out a plugged hole much easier. The water spurts up about 10 to 12" at the most Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. All this assumes your garden plot is level. > Thanks Bob. > > I have been told that 1 gallon of water will cover 230 cubic inches to a > dept of 1". I measured my water flow from the end of the hose coming from > my > water faucet and it is 5 gpm per minute. I know that my actual bed size is > 117.5" X 39.5" or 4641.3 cubic inches of soil surface. 1 gallon of water = > 230 ci so I divide my total soil surface of 4641.3 by 230 which = 20.1 > gallons of water needed to achieve a water penetration depth of 1" over my > soil surface. Knowing that my flow rate is 5 GPM/minute I now divide the > 20.1 gallons needed by 5 gpm/min (actual flow rate) and find I would need > to > leave the water on for 4 minutes in order to achieve a 1" depth of water > penetration over the bed area. > > In order for this to work I will need to get an equal flow out of each of > the dispensing holes or some parts of the bed will get more and some get > less of the water. This is my problem, trying to achieve an equal amount > of > water out of each orifice. > > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Willman" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > > >> I would think that very very small holes at the 16 locations so that >> the water flow from each is a very small percentage of the flow in the >> main >> pipe so as to maintain constant pressure throughout the system. As it is >> the >> pressure drops after each discharge hole. You could start with a larger >> diameter pipe up front and reduce the diameter after each opening which, >> I >> think, is the accepted method. >> If all the holes are already drilled and the system is level, I >> would try turning all the discharge holes to the top of the pipe and use >> a >> very slow flow rate in order to fill the entire pipe and let it slowly >> run >> out over the pipe to keep the flow rate slow but hopefully stabilize the >> pressure along the whole length. >> >> >> Bob Willman > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rbackus at ogdenpubs.com Thu Jun 4 11:20:34 2009 From: rbackus at ogdenpubs.com (Richard Backus) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:20:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Restore an old Echo chain saw? Message-ID: Hey guys. I was approached the other day by one of the representatives for Echo-USA in Illinois, where they make chain saws, trimmers, etc... They want to restore about 8 old engines for a small "museum" they want to set up in their building. The engines include one of the first US Echo chain saws (from the late 1970s) and one of the first Kyoritsu stationary engines, built in the late 1950s. Kyoritsu was the parent company of Echo. You can see the engines in a blog I posted on SteamTraction.com, just follow this link: http://www.farmcollector.com/gaining-traction-steam-traction-engines-on- TV.aspx Anyway, they're looking for someone to work with them on their restoration projects, so if anyone's interested, contact me directly and I'll put you in touch. Also, if you check out the blog, you'll discover I was also contacted by a TV production company about a possible restoration project show. The details of that appear at the beginning of the blog, and again, if anyone's interested or knows someone who should be, contact me directly. I can't really speak to the TV idea, because I don't really know anything about the folks, but the Echo restoration project is a straight ahead deal. Richard Backus/Gas Engine Magazine From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jun 4 12:41:53 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:41:53 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090604183927.01f7ac90@mail.atech.co.za> At 06:00 PM 04/06/2009, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:50:27 -0500 >From: "Elden DuRand" >Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem >Paul: >I think what I'd do would be to use the PVC pipe as a manifold to which I >would attach a number of irrigation drip heads. > >Go to a big box store and look at the Rainbird and other systems. You can >get drip heads that can be used with 1/2" NPT (I think) PVC nipples which, >in turn, are screwed into 1/2" NPT holes in the manifold. >They are adjustable so you can balance the system close enough for Mother >Nature. >What, me engineer??!! >Take care - Elden >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Hi Paul, I'm getting into this thread a bit late but have been following it. It would appear that you are following plans from some "Greenie Magazine" :-) - have the Tomato plants read the same article ? I liked Ron Carolls answer as well as many others. If I remember correctly (I'm not going to read all the replies again) you have 2 main pipes going down the length (which is not very long) and they are closed on the ends. This is what I would do: 1) I would use a slightly bigger pipe for these lengthwise pipes (lets just say 3/4") (it reduces friction and increases volume) (I also think that at the volume/pressure you are using that this will not make any appreciable difference to the tomato plants) and I would NOT have them closed at the end - I would join them (maybe with another piece of the same size pipe) which would in effect give you a "circuit" ie. (with no holes yet) the pressure would be equal throughout the circuit. 2) Then drill your holes (but I prefer the adjustable microjet nozzles or Ron Carrol's idea using screws and washers). When deciding on the size holes (assuming you are NOT using aforementioned adjustable microjet nozzles) you should drill go for something like this. i) The "area" of the inlet pipe. (I'm going to change to metric here - it's easier for me to work out but the principle is exactly the same.) 3/4" inch pipe is (as near as dammit) 19mm pipe. (I'm also going to use this as an internal measurement for the sake of not letting this turn into an encyclopaedia). The mathematical formula for working out the "area" of a circle is "pi" X radius squared) (I do not know how to write this correctly on my keyboard). Now I'll try to explain this as easily as possible (apologies to all others for this "long winded explanation"). To all you guys who understand these things I do apologise but I'm gonna try to explain this thing in a way that someone who does not understand will get the picture. "pi" is a mathematical formula described by some ancient Greek - you do not need to know how he arrived at it - just use it. Roughly it is (22 divided by seven) or "the answer" (3.1428571) Your 19mm pipe has an internal diameter of 19mm (surprise). So the "area" of this opening is ("pi" X (times) the radius) (if the diameter is 19 mm then the radius is half of that or 9.5 mm This equals pi (22 divided by seven) or 3.1428571) multiplied by the radius of the 19mm pipe 3.1428571 x 9.5(the radius - or 1/2 of the diameter of the pipe) equals 29.857 (unless my cheap Taiwanese calculator is lying to me). This is the delivery area of your pipe. 29.857 Now divide this by the number of "delivery points" that you need. In your case you mentioned 16 (tomato plants). So divide the answer above by 16 - ie. 29.857 divided by 16 = 1.8660625. and this will give you your answer for the area of the holes you need. Now you need to convert this "area" back to a diameter (so you know what size drill to use). Now, for tonight, I've forgotten the formula needed here so I will use "Google" (to work out the "diameter of a circle" from the area"). This gave me an answer of "1.5414099285872527" - If "Google" was correct then you need to drill all your holes "1.5 mm". What I would do is to drill these holes approximately half of this size and put a bucket under any one of the holes and measure how long it takes to provide your required amount of water (always trying to bear in mind that the tomato plants have read the same article.) It's more accurate to have "half size" holes and leave the tap (faucet) open for twice as long. Sometimes "maths" or "science" can baffle us all - have the tomato plants also read this article? Now, the above method will only work if your delivery (where the water comes from) pressure is always exactly the same. Do you really think that the tomato plants give a damn? Understand that this answer will only be relevant if your water pressure is always exactly the same ie. "all things being equal". Paul, I've been there, done that and bought the "t"shirt. Fresh "homegrown" veggies are really great and they are also "so green". But, at the end of the day, they will always cost you more than you can buy them for at the local vegetable shop. The reason is that you will grow veggies "in season" at the same time as the "big producers" put theirs on the market. Unless you are planning to produce "out of season" (which involves major investment in greenhouses and similar) you will not win financially. Just my opinion. Be prepared to have that "They came from my garden" expression cost you Bucks. Jerry Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From rotigel at me.com Thu Jun 4 14:08:28 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:08:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090604183927.01f7ac90@mail.atech.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090604183927.01f7ac90@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: I just LOVE the TOTAL BS of this thread. I plant about 5-6 doz. tomato plants each year and have NEVER given any thought to watering them-- that's what rain is for. I would think I get 30-40 bu. a year and give the vast majority away. Dave PS, I do hope this thread continues. Jennie says I easier to get along with when I laugh so hard that my sides hurt every evening! PPS, doG save us from "Greenie Magazines!" PPPS, Paul, I pretty sure you can get a stimulus grant from POTUS for this project! On Jun 4, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > At 06:00 PM 04/06/2009, you wrote: >> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:50:27 -0500 >> From: "Elden DuRand" >> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem >> Paul: >> I think what I'd do would be to use the PVC pipe as a manifold to >> which I >> would attach a number of irrigation drip heads. >> >> Go to a big box store and look at the Rainbird and other systems. >> You can >> get drip heads that can be used with 1/2" NPT (I think) PVC nipples >> which, >> in turn, are screwed into 1/2" NPT holes in the manifold. >> They are adjustable so you can balance the system close enough for >> Mother >> Nature. >> What, me engineer??!! >> Take care - Elden >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > Hi Paul, > I'm getting into this thread a bit late but have been > following > it. It would appear that you are following plans from some "Greenie > Magazine" :-) - have the Tomato plants read the same article ? > I liked Ron Carolls answer as well as many others. > If I remember correctly (I'm not going to read all the replies > again) you have 2 main pipes going down the length (which is not > very long) > and they are closed on the ends. > > This is what I would do: > > 1) I would use a slightly bigger pipe for these lengthwise > pipes > (lets just say 3/4") (it reduces friction and increases volume) (I > also > think that at the volume/pressure you are using that this will not > make any > appreciable difference to the tomato plants) and I would NOT have them > closed at the end - I would join them (maybe with another piece of > the same > size pipe) which would in effect give you a "circuit" ie. (with no > holes > yet) the pressure would be equal throughout the circuit. > 2) Then drill your holes (but I prefer the adjustable microjet > nozzles or Ron Carrol's idea using screws and washers). When > deciding on > the size holes (assuming you are NOT using aforementioned adjustable > microjet nozzles) you should drill go for something like this. > i) The "area" of the inlet pipe. (I'm going to change to > metric > here - it's easier for me to work out but the principle is exactly the > same.) 3/4" inch pipe is (as near as dammit) 19mm pipe. (I'm also > going to > use this as an internal measurement for the sake of not letting this > turn > into an encyclopaedia). > The mathematical formula for working out the "area" of a > circle is > "pi" X radius squared) (I do not know how to write this correctly on > my > keyboard). > Now I'll try to explain this as easily as possible > (apologies to > all others for this "long winded explanation"). > To all you guys who understand these things I do apologise > but I'm > gonna try to explain this thing in a way that someone who does not > understand will get the picture. > "pi" is a mathematical formula described by some ancient > Greek - > you do not need to know how he arrived at it - just use it. Roughly > it is > (22 divided by seven) or "the answer" (3.1428571) > Your 19mm pipe has an internal diameter of 19mm (surprise). > So the > "area" of this opening is ("pi" X (times) the radius) (if the > diameter is > 19 mm then the radius is half of that or 9.5 mm > This equals pi (22 divided by seven) or 3.1428571) > multiplied by > the radius of the 19mm pipe > 3.1428571 x 9.5(the radius - or 1/2 of the diameter of the > pipe) > equals 29.857 (unless my cheap Taiwanese calculator is lying to me). > This > is the delivery area of your pipe. 29.857 > Now divide this by the number of "delivery points" that you > need. > In your case you mentioned 16 (tomato plants). So divide the answer > above > by 16 - ie. 29.857 divided by 16 = 1.8660625. and this will give you > your > answer for the area of the holes you need. Now you need to convert > this > "area" back to a diameter (so you know what size drill to use). Now, > for > tonight, I've forgotten the formula needed here so I will use > "Google" (to > work out the "diameter of a circle" from the area"). > This gave me an answer of "1.5414099285872527" - If "Google" > was > correct then you need to drill all your holes "1.5 mm". > What I would do is to drill these holes approximately half > of this > size and put a bucket under any one of the holes and measure how > long it > takes to provide your required amount of water (always trying to > bear in > mind that the tomato plants have read the same article.) It's more > accurate > to have "half size" holes and leave the tap (faucet) open for twice > as long. > Sometimes "maths" or "science" can baffle us all - have the > tomato > plants also read this article? > Now, the above method will only work if your delivery (where > the > water comes from) pressure is always exactly the same. Do you really > think > that the tomato plants give a damn? > > Understand that this answer will only be relevant if your water > pressure is > always exactly the same ie. "all things being equal". > > Paul, I've been there, done that and bought the "t"shirt. > Fresh > "homegrown" veggies are really great and they are also "so green". > But, at > the end of the day, they will always cost you more than you can buy > them > for at the local vegetable shop. The reason is that you will grow > veggies > "in season" at the same time as the "big producers" put theirs on the > market. Unless you are planning to produce "out of season" (which > involves > major investment in greenhouses and similar) you will not win > financially. > Just my opinion. Be prepared to have that "They came from my > garden" expression cost you Bucks. > Jerry > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Thu Jun 4 15:00:10 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:00:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090604183927.01f7ac90@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: On Jun 4, 2009, at 2:08 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > I just LOVE the TOTAL BS of this thread. You mean, Dave, the Emperor is... naked? Seriously, dude, it doesn't rain here in the summer, so we have to water. After the plants are established, we water them after the ground gets dry. That means less water when the temps are mild, more water when the temps are hot. If the leaves start to wilt, they need more water. If the ground is damp, they need less water. The only time we would water them daily is during the three weeks when it's really hot. More water than that, and the plants will produce less fruit and it will all be bland. From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Jun 4 15:05:24 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:05:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090604183927.01f7ac90@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: <20090604220524.CEAF63C06ED@mail02.wcoil.com> Dave, "In our region" I am with you, no water for Tomato plants. Watering just promotes shallow root development. Water the hole when planted and leave the rest to the rain. Mark At 05:08 PM 6/4/2009, you wrote: >I just LOVE the TOTAL BS of this thread. I plant about 5-6 doz. tomato >plants each year and have NEVER given any thought to watering them-- >that's what rain is for. I would think I get 30-40 bu. a year and give >the vast majority away. > Dave >PS, I do hope this thread continues. Jennie says I easier to get along >with when I laugh so hard that my sides hurt every evening! >PPS, doG save us from "Greenie Magazines!" >PPPS, Paul, I pretty sure you can get a stimulus grant from POTUS for >this project! > >On Jun 4, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > > > At 06:00 PM 04/06/2009, you wrote: > >> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:50:27 -0500 > >> From: "Elden DuRand" > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > >> Paul: > >> I think what I'd do would be to use the PVC pipe as a manifold to > >> which I > >> would attach a number of irrigation drip heads. > >> > >> Go to a big box store and look at the Rainbird and other systems. > >> You can > >> get drip heads that can be used with 1/2" NPT (I think) PVC nipples > >> which, > >> in turn, are screwed into 1/2" NPT holes in the manifold. > >> They are adjustable so you can balance the system close enough for > >> Mother > >> Nature. > >> What, me engineer??!! > >> Take care - Elden > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > Hi Paul, > > I'm getting into this thread a bit late but have been > > following > > it. It would appear that you are following plans from some "Greenie > > Magazine" :-) - have the Tomato plants read the same article ? > > I liked Ron Carolls answer as well as many others. > > If I remember correctly (I'm not going to read all the replies > > again) you have 2 main pipes going down the length (which is not > > very long) > > and they are closed on the ends. > > > > This is what I would do: > > > > 1) I would use a slightly bigger pipe for these lengthwise > > pipes > > (lets just say 3/4") (it reduces friction and increases volume) (I > > also > > think that at the volume/pressure you are using that this will not > > make any > > appreciable difference to the tomato plants) and I would NOT have them > > closed at the end - I would join them (maybe with another piece of > > the same > > size pipe) which would in effect give you a "circuit" ie. (with no > > holes > > yet) the pressure would be equal throughout the circuit. > > 2) Then drill your holes (but I prefer the adjustable microjet > > nozzles or Ron Carrol's idea using screws and washers). When > > deciding on > > the size holes (assuming you are NOT using aforementioned adjustable > > microjet nozzles) you should drill go for something like this. > > i) The "area" of the inlet pipe. (I'm going to change to > > metric > > here - it's easier for me to work out but the principle is exactly the > > same.) 3/4" inch pipe is (as near as dammit) 19mm pipe. (I'm also > > going to > > use this as an internal measurement for the sake of not letting this > > turn > > into an encyclopaedia). > > The mathematical formula for working out the "area" of a > > circle is > > "pi" X radius squared) (I do not know how to write this correctly on > > my > > keyboard). > > Now I'll try to explain this as easily as possible > > (apologies to > > all others for this "long winded explanation"). > > To all you guys who understand these things I do apologise > > but I'm > > gonna try to explain this thing in a way that someone who does not > > understand will get the picture. > > "pi" is a mathematical formula described by some ancient > > Greek - > > you do not need to know how he arrived at it - just use it. Roughly > > it is > > (22 divided by seven) or "the answer" (3.1428571) > > Your 19mm pipe has an internal diameter of 19mm (surprise). > > So the > > "area" of this opening is ("pi" X (times) the radius) (if the > > diameter is > > 19 mm then the radius is half of that or 9.5 mm > > This equals pi (22 divided by seven) or 3.1428571) > > multiplied by > > the radius of the 19mm pipe > > 3.1428571 x 9.5(the radius - or 1/2 of the diameter of the > > pipe) > > equals 29.857 (unless my cheap Taiwanese calculator is lying to me). > > This > > is the delivery area of your pipe. 29.857 > > Now divide this by the number of "delivery points" that you > > need. > > In your case you mentioned 16 (tomato plants). So divide the answer > > above > > by 16 - ie. 29.857 divided by 16 = 1.8660625. and this will give you > > your > > answer for the area of the holes you need. Now you need to convert > > this > > "area" back to a diameter (so you know what size drill to use). Now, > > for > > tonight, I've forgotten the formula needed here so I will use > > "Google" (to > > work out the "diameter of a circle" from the area"). > > This gave me an answer of "1.5414099285872527" - If "Google" > > was > > correct then you need to drill all your holes "1.5 mm". > > What I would do is to drill these holes approximately half > > of this > > size and put a bucket under any one of the holes and measure how > > long it > > takes to provide your required amount of water (always trying to > > bear in > > mind that the tomato plants have read the same article.) It's more > > accurate > > to have "half size" holes and leave the tap (faucet) open for twice > > as long. > > Sometimes "maths" or "science" can baffle us all - have the > > tomato > > plants also read this article? > > Now, the above method will only work if your delivery (where > > the > > water comes from) pressure is always exactly the same. Do you really > > think > > that the tomato plants give a damn? > > > > Understand that this answer will only be relevant if your water > > pressure is > > always exactly the same ie. "all things being equal". > > > > Paul, I've been there, done that and bought the "t"shirt. > > Fresh > > "homegrown" veggies are really great and they are also "so green". > > But, at > > the end of the day, they will always cost you more than you can buy > > them > > for at the local vegetable shop. The reason is that you will grow > > veggies > > "in season" at the same time as the "big producers" put theirs on the > > market. Unless you are planning to produce "out of season" (which > > involves > > major investment in greenhouses and similar) you will not win > > financially. > > Just my opinion. Be prepared to have that "They came from my > > garden" expression cost you Bucks. > > Jerry > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > Jerry Evans > > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.53/2155 - Release Date: >06/04/09 17:55:00 From rotigel at me.com Thu Jun 4 16:02:51 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:02:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090604183927.01f7ac90@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: <690AB6F8-BEF4-47B0-A59A-8F45427C1041@me.com> Hi Rob, Have you ever "worried" about the number of cubic inches of water each of your plants get every 31.648219 hours? Dave PS "If the leaves start to wilt, they need more water. If the ground is damp, they need less water."--How the hell long did it take you figure that one out? (You really need to ask Kelley about these things!) PPS, Are you OK? Are you still seeing that college professor across the street? On Jun 4, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > On Jun 4, 2009, at 2:08 PM, David Rotigel wrote: >> I just LOVE the TOTAL BS of this thread. > > > You mean, Dave, the Emperor is... naked? > > Seriously, dude, it doesn't rain here in the summer, so we have to > water. After the plants are established, we water them after the > ground gets dry. That means less water when the temps are mild, more > water when the temps are hot. If the leaves start to wilt, they need > more water. If the ground is damp, they need less water. The only > time we would water them daily is during the three weeks when it's > really hot. More water than that, and the plants will produce less > fruit and it will all be bland. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Thu Jun 4 17:49:57 2009 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:49:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090604204957.WE98U.3870188.root@mp14> ---- David Rotigel wrote: > I just LOVE the TOTAL BS of this thread. I plant about 5-6 doz. tomato > plants each year and have NEVER given any thought to watering them-- > that's what rain is for. I would think I get 30-40 bu. a year and give > the vast majority away. > Dave Dave, you probably get your plants from a farmer. Sounds like Paul has some of those college grown tomatoes, they can't make it on their own. J.B. Castagnos From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Jun 4 21:37:19 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:37:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: <20090604220524.CEAF63C06ED@mail02.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <4EACCB6D03AA418793703E42513231CC@larue10ijlvccx> Heck guys I have to put umbrellas over mine to keep the rain from washing them out of the ground. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Dave, "In our region" I am with you, no water for Tomato plants. Watering just promotes shallow root development. Water the hole when planted and leave the rest to the rain. Mark At 05:08 PM 6/4/2009, you wrote: >I just LOVE the TOTAL BS of this thread. I plant about 5-6 doz. tomato >plants each year and have NEVER given any thought to watering them-- >that's what rain is for. I would think I get 30-40 bu. a year and give >the vast majority away. > Dave >PS, I do hope this thread continues. Jennie says I easier to get along >with when I laugh so hard that my sides hurt every evening! >PPS, doG save us from "Greenie Magazines!" >PPPS, Paul, I pretty sure you can get a stimulus grant from POTUS for >this project! > >On Jun 4, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > > > At 06:00 PM 04/06/2009, you wrote: > >> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:50:27 -0500 > >> From: "Elden DuRand" > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > >> Paul: > >> I think what I'd do would be to use the PVC pipe as a manifold to > >> which I > >> would attach a number of irrigation drip heads. > >> > >> Go to a big box store and look at the Rainbird and other systems. > >> You can > >> get drip heads that can be used with 1/2" NPT (I think) PVC nipples > >> which, > >> in turn, are screwed into 1/2" NPT holes in the manifold. > >> They are adjustable so you can balance the system close enough for > >> Mother > >> Nature. > >> What, me engineer??!! > >> Take care - Elden > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > From rotigel at me.com Thu Jun 4 22:30:03 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:30:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: <4EACCB6D03AA418793703E42513231CC@larue10ijlvccx> References: <4EACCB6D03AA418793703E42513231CC@larue10ijlvccx> Message-ID: <6453FA07-6A46-4A28-A823-FBCC31CE5B4A@me.com> I have found over the many years that I've grown a garden that all a person needs are to have lived a good life. This, basically determines how your plants will grow. I feel sorry for those who need more and can not figure out the why of it! Dave PS, A man died today who could have unlocked all this for us! On Jun 5, 2009, at 12:37 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Heck guys I have to put umbrellas over mine to keep the rain from > washing them out of the ground. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > Dave, "In our region" I am with you, no water for Tomato plants. > Watering just promotes shallow root development. Water the hole when > planted and leave the rest to the rain. Mark > > > At 05:08 PM 6/4/2009, you wrote: >> I just LOVE the TOTAL BS of this thread. I plant about 5-6 doz. >> tomato >> plants each year and have NEVER given any thought to watering them-- >> that's what rain is for. I would think I get 30-40 bu. a year and >> give >> the vast majority away. >> Dave >> PS, I do hope this thread continues. Jennie says I easier to get >> along >> with when I laugh so hard that my sides hurt every evening! >> PPS, doG save us from "Greenie Magazines!" >> PPPS, Paul, I pretty sure you can get a stimulus grant from POTUS for >> this project! >> >> On Jun 4, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: >> >>> At 06:00 PM 04/06/2009, you wrote: >>>> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:50:27 -0500 >>>> From: "Elden DuRand" >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem >>>> Paul: >>>> I think what I'd do would be to use the PVC pipe as a manifold to >>>> which I >>>> would attach a number of irrigation drip heads. >>>> >>>> Go to a big box store and look at the Rainbird and other systems. >>>> You can >>>> get drip heads that can be used with 1/2" NPT (I think) PVC nipples >>>> which, >>>> in turn, are screwed into 1/2" NPT holes in the manifold. >>>> They are adjustable so you can balance the system close enough for >>>> Mother >>>> Nature. >>>> What, me engineer??!! >>>> Take care - Elden >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Thu Jun 4 22:34:32 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:34:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: <4EACCB6D03AA418793703E42513231CC@larue10ijlvccx> References: <4EACCB6D03AA418793703E42513231CC@larue10ijlvccx> Message-ID: <6E55B6B9-07E5-448C-B60C-DABC44390565@me.com> YES, but you have the resources to hire those nude broads to hold the umbrellas. How about pictures during the next rain? Dave On Jun 5, 2009, at 12:37 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Heck guys I have to put umbrellas over mine to keep the rain from > washing them out of the ground. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > Dave, "In our region" I am with you, no water for Tomato plants. > Watering just promotes shallow root development. Water the hole when > planted and leave the rest to the rain. Mark > > > At 05:08 PM 6/4/2009, you wrote: >> I just LOVE the TOTAL BS of this thread. I plant about 5-6 doz. >> tomato >> plants each year and have NEVER given any thought to watering them-- >> that's what rain is for. I would think I get 30-40 bu. a year and >> give >> the vast majority away. >> Dave >> PS, I do hope this thread continues. Jennie says I easier to get >> along >> with when I laugh so hard that my sides hurt every evening! >> PPS, doG save us from "Greenie Magazines!" >> PPPS, Paul, I pretty sure you can get a stimulus grant from POTUS for >> this project! >> >> On Jun 4, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: >> >>> At 06:00 PM 04/06/2009, you wrote: >>>> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:50:27 -0500 >>>> From: "Elden DuRand" >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem >>>> Paul: >>>> I think what I'd do would be to use the PVC pipe as a manifold to >>>> which I >>>> would attach a number of irrigation drip heads. >>>> >>>> Go to a big box store and look at the Rainbird and other systems. >>>> You can >>>> get drip heads that can be used with 1/2" NPT (I think) PVC nipples >>>> which, >>>> in turn, are screwed into 1/2" NPT holes in the manifold. >>>> They are adjustable so you can balance the system close enough for >>>> Mother >>>> Nature. >>>> What, me engineer??!! >>>> Take care - Elden >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Thu Jun 4 22:35:42 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:35:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: <6453FA07-6A46-4A28-A823-FBCC31CE5B4A@me.com> References: <4EACCB6D03AA418793703E42513231CC@larue10ijlvccx> <6453FA07-6A46-4A28-A823-FBCC31CE5B4A@me.com> Message-ID: <132857EF-02C8-43D4-9CF4-568C961DCF8D@rustyiron.com> On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:30 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > I have found over the many years that I've grown a garden that all a > person needs are to have lived a good life. This, basically determines > how your plants will grow. I feel sorry for those who need more and > can not figure out the why of it! > Dave > PS, A man died today who could have unlocked all this for us! What does a has-been actor from the 1970's who was on a sex holiday in Thailand and died of auto-erotic asphyxiation have to do with growing tomatoes... or... dare I say it... ENGINES? From curt at rustyiron.com Fri Jun 5 05:19:23 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 06:19:23 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090604183927.01f7ac90@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: <59280.168.215.206.73.1244204363.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> You can tell someone who has never lived in the south! Until this year we have been in drought for 5 years. The last few summers there have been month long stretches with NO rain at all. Mother Nature is making it up to us this spring/summer! Lake Hartwell is still down about 15'. Curt > I just LOVE the TOTAL BS of this thread. I plant about 5-6 doz. tomato > plants each year and have NEVER given any thought to watering them-- > that's what rain is for. I would think I get 30-40 bu. a year and give > the vast majority away. > Dave > PS, I do hope this thread continues. Jennie says I easier to get along > with when I laugh so hard that my sides hurt every evening! > PPS, doG save us from "Greenie Magazines!" > PPPS, Paul, I pretty sure you can get a stimulus grant from POTUS for > this project! > > On Jun 4, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > >> At 06:00 PM 04/06/2009, you wrote: >>> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:50:27 -0500 >>> From: "Elden DuRand" >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem >>> Paul: >>> I think what I'd do would be to use the PVC pipe as a manifold to >>> which I >>> would attach a number of irrigation drip heads. >>> >>> Go to a big box store and look at the Rainbird and other systems. >>> You can >>> get drip heads that can be used with 1/2" NPT (I think) PVC nipples >>> which, >>> in turn, are screwed into 1/2" NPT holes in the manifold. >>> They are adjustable so you can balance the system close enough for >>> Mother >>> Nature. >>> What, me engineer??!! >>> Take care - Elden >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> >> Hi Paul, >> I'm getting into this thread a bit late but have been >> following >> it. It would appear that you are following plans from some "Greenie >> Magazine" :-) - have the Tomato plants read the same article ? >> I liked Ron Carolls answer as well as many others. >> If I remember correctly (I'm not going to read all the replies >> again) you have 2 main pipes going down the length (which is not >> very long) >> and they are closed on the ends. >> >> This is what I would do: >> >> 1) I would use a slightly bigger pipe for these lengthwise >> pipes >> (lets just say 3/4") (it reduces friction and increases volume) (I >> also >> think that at the volume/pressure you are using that this will not >> make any >> appreciable difference to the tomato plants) and I would NOT have them >> closed at the end - I would join them (maybe with another piece of >> the same >> size pipe) which would in effect give you a "circuit" ie. (with no >> holes >> yet) the pressure would be equal throughout the circuit. >> 2) Then drill your holes (but I prefer the adjustable microjet >> nozzles or Ron Carrol's idea using screws and washers). When >> deciding on >> the size holes (assuming you are NOT using aforementioned adjustable >> microjet nozzles) you should drill go for something like this. >> i) The "area" of the inlet pipe. (I'm going to change to >> metric >> here - it's easier for me to work out but the principle is exactly the >> same.) 3/4" inch pipe is (as near as dammit) 19mm pipe. (I'm also >> going to >> use this as an internal measurement for the sake of not letting this >> turn >> into an encyclopaedia). >> The mathematical formula for working out the "area" of a >> circle is >> "pi" X radius squared) (I do not know how to write this correctly on >> my >> keyboard). >> Now I'll try to explain this as easily as possible >> (apologies to >> all others for this "long winded explanation"). >> To all you guys who understand these things I do apologise >> but I'm >> gonna try to explain this thing in a way that someone who does not >> understand will get the picture. >> "pi" is a mathematical formula described by some ancient >> Greek - >> you do not need to know how he arrived at it - just use it. Roughly >> it is >> (22 divided by seven) or "the answer" (3.1428571) >> Your 19mm pipe has an internal diameter of 19mm (surprise). >> So the >> "area" of this opening is ("pi" X (times) the radius) (if the >> diameter is >> 19 mm then the radius is half of that or 9.5 mm >> This equals pi (22 divided by seven) or 3.1428571) >> multiplied by >> the radius of the 19mm pipe >> 3.1428571 x 9.5(the radius - or 1/2 of the diameter of the >> pipe) >> equals 29.857 (unless my cheap Taiwanese calculator is lying to me). >> This >> is the delivery area of your pipe. 29.857 >> Now divide this by the number of "delivery points" that you >> need. >> In your case you mentioned 16 (tomato plants). So divide the answer >> above >> by 16 - ie. 29.857 divided by 16 = 1.8660625. and this will give you >> your >> answer for the area of the holes you need. Now you need to convert >> this >> "area" back to a diameter (so you know what size drill to use). Now, >> for >> tonight, I've forgotten the formula needed here so I will use >> "Google" (to >> work out the "diameter of a circle" from the area"). >> This gave me an answer of "1.5414099285872527" - If "Google" >> was >> correct then you need to drill all your holes "1.5 mm". >> What I would do is to drill these holes approximately half >> of this >> size and put a bucket under any one of the holes and measure how >> long it >> takes to provide your required amount of water (always trying to >> bear in >> mind that the tomato plants have read the same article.) It's more >> accurate >> to have "half size" holes and leave the tap (faucet) open for twice >> as long. >> Sometimes "maths" or "science" can baffle us all - have the >> tomato >> plants also read this article? >> Now, the above method will only work if your delivery (where >> the >> water comes from) pressure is always exactly the same. Do you really >> think >> that the tomato plants give a damn? >> >> Understand that this answer will only be relevant if your water >> pressure is >> always exactly the same ie. "all things being equal". >> >> Paul, I've been there, done that and bought the "t"shirt. >> Fresh >> "homegrown" veggies are really great and they are also "so green". >> But, at >> the end of the day, they will always cost you more than you can buy >> them >> for at the local vegetable shop. The reason is that you will grow >> veggies >> "in season" at the same time as the "big producers" put theirs on the >> market. Unless you are planning to produce "out of season" (which >> involves >> major investment in greenhouses and similar) you will not win >> financially. >> Just my opinion. Be prepared to have that "They came from my >> garden" expression cost you Bucks. >> Jerry >> >> Keep the revs up (or down) >> Jerry Evans >> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Jun 5 06:15:26 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:15:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: <6E55B6B9-07E5-448C-B60C-DABC44390565@me.com> Message-ID: As long as you don't show them to my wife. I have the garden on a tract of ground I own in the next county south of me. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY YES, but you have the resources to hire those nude broads to hold the umbrellas. How about pictures during the next rain? Dave On Jun 5, 2009, at 12:37 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Heck guys I have to put umbrellas over mine to keep the rain from > washing them out of the ground. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From galoway4 at hughes.net Fri Jun 5 06:53:39 2009 From: galoway4 at hughes.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:53:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04DB7DDBA31F45CB9ECEE508D572E06F@jokerB> test ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > > As long as you don't show them to my wife. I have the garden on a tract > of ground I own in the next county south of me. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > YES, but you have the resources to hire those nude broads to hold the > umbrellas. How about pictures during the next rain? > Dave > > On Jun 5, 2009, at 12:37 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> Heck guys I have to put umbrellas over mine to keep the rain from >> washing them out of the ground. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at me.com Fri Jun 5 19:38:44 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:38:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: <04DB7DDBA31F45CB9ECEE508D572E06F@jokerB> References: <04DB7DDBA31F45CB9ECEE508D572E06F@jokerB> Message-ID: Arthur, The pictures of nude MEN that you attached were really NOT what I had in mind! Did you send them to the wrong list? Dave On Jun 5, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Arthur Buchanan wrote: > test > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" engine.com> > Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:15 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > > >> >> As long as you don't show them to my wife. I have the garden on a >> tract >> of ground I own in the next county south of me. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> >> YES, but you have the resources to hire those nude broads to hold the >> umbrellas. How about pictures during the next rain? >> Dave >> >> On Jun 5, 2009, at 12:37 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> >>> Heck guys I have to put umbrellas over mine to keep the rain from >>> washing them out of the ground. >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 5 20:08:58 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 21:08:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T. Need Help with Water Flow problem Message-ID: <167815EA310A43968A8BDAF32500B5AC@PAUL> Folks I had to have emergency surgery last Friday and I have had complications all week, in fact this is my first pain free day. I have been off of the computer and obviously had hundreds of e-mails when I just now fired it up. I see a lot of responses to my query about the water flow problem and I will be reading each of these tonight. I want to thank each of you who responded with good ideas. I even see that Evil Dave has responded so I am sure his response will require a special response from me in that him being a professor I will have to first read his response, then try and break through his shell of intrigue that he always gives in his answer and somehow develop a educated response. Love you Dave even though I have to taunt you a little now and then. Paul From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Jun 6 07:28:07 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 09:28:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T. Need Help with Water Flow problem In-Reply-To: <167815EA310A43968A8BDAF32500B5AC@PAUL> Message-ID: Paul: I hope whatever had to be cut on wasn't critical. At least you're still around. At our age, that's good news! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net > Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 10:09 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T. Need Help with Water Flow problem > > > Folks I had to have emergency surgery last Friday > and I have had complications all week, in fact > this is my first pain free day. I have been off > of the computer and obviously had hundreds of > e-mails when I just now fired it up. I see a lot > of responses to my query about the water flow > problem and I will be reading each of these > tonight. I want to thank each of you who > responded with good ideas. > > I even see that Evil Dave has responded so I am > sure his response will require a special response > from me in that him being a professor I will > have to first read his response, then try and > break through his shell of intrigue that he > always gives in his answer and somehow develop a > educated response. Love you Dave even though I > have to taunt you a little now and then. > > Paul From galoway4 at hughes.net Sat Jun 6 07:24:04 2009 From: galoway4 at hughes.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 09:24:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: <04DB7DDBA31F45CB9ECEE508D572E06F@jokerB> Message-ID: <2692FB4FF9BE448D937A6D91F8F3DD02@jokerB> Dave , good to hear from you. It has been a long time. Hope to see you at Portland. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > Arthur, The pictures of nude MEN that you attached were really NOT > what I had in mind! Did you send them to the wrong list? > Dave > > On Jun 5, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Arthur Buchanan wrote: > >> test >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > engine.com> >> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:15 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem >> >> >>> >>> As long as you don't show them to my wife. I have the garden on a >>> tract >>> of ground I own in the next county south of me. >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> YES, but you have the resources to hire those nude broads to hold the >>> umbrellas. How about pictures during the next rain? >>> Dave >>> >>> On Jun 5, 2009, at 12:37 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >>> >>>> Heck guys I have to put umbrellas over mine to keep the rain from >>>> washing them out of the ground. >>>> >>>> Tommy Turner >>>> Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Jun 6 09:34:17 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 18:34:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090606181842.01c7b900@mail.atech.co.za> > >Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem Hi Paul, I hope you are recovering from your op. (Do you have to live without some part of you now ? If so, I hope it's nothing that you're going to miss too much :-) There was a very obvious mistake in my last long winded calculation which I'm very surprised that none of the professors amongst us picked up. If he did he never mentioned it :-) Anyway I've corrected it and sent it "off list" to you. The reason for it being "off list" is because I created a .pdf file of it to allow me to show the symbols correctly and we cannot send attachments on the SEL. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Jun 6 19:57:51 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 12:57:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Anyone know Tom Alexander of Iowa Message-ID: Hi all Does anyone know Tom Alexander from Iowa. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From rotigel at me.com Sat Jun 6 20:34:12 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:34:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Anyone know Tom Alexander of Iowa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26B35B40-0D90-45A7-9E40-D0390335503E@me.com> Hi Peter, YES! Dave PS, Books, School, Eat! On Jun 6, 2009, at 10:57 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all > Does anyone know Tom Alexander from Iowa. > > Regards > Peter Lowe From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Jun 7 06:06:20 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 23:06:20 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ruston parts for sale in Oz Message-ID: Hi all Ruston parts for sale in Oz, not sure how old this engine is: http://tinyurl.com/qp4vbr Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jun 7 08:53:12 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 16:53:12 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures Message-ID: <6f6025160906070853h47c7d286s7a6aa8680b600920@mail.gmail.com> Got the first 96 pictures captioned and set up: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nuenen2009/Nuenen2009Menu1.htm and at: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2009/Nuenen2009Menu1.htm Links at the bottom of each menu page to switch between the pages. These are NOT on the main menu page yet, there are two more pages to be set up, about 160 pictures in all. Let me know of any obvious mistakes please. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Jun 7 15:18:39 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 17:18:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures In-Reply-To: <6f6025160906070853h47c7d286s7a6aa8680b600920@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter: Thanks for posting the photos. It's odd, though. There are no Fairbanks-Morse, Economy or John Deere engines there! :-\) The only thing I can find to gig you on is that page 124 doesn't have a hyperlink. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 10:53 AM > To: Stationary-Engine > Cc: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures > > > Got the first 96 pictures captioned and set up: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nuenen2009 /Nuenen2009Menu1.htm and at: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2009/Nuenen2009Menu1.htm Links at the bottom of each menu page to switch between the pages. These are NOT on the main menu page yet, there are two more pages to be set up, about 160 pictures in all. Let me know of any obvious mistakes please. Peter From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Sun Jun 7 14:53:49 2009 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 07:53:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] FMZ parts for SEL List member (me). In-Reply-To: <4A1A101E.9090106@tznet.com> References: <49FA24D4.8040500@rustic-engines.com> <49FA28E3.4090205@tznet.com> <49FA2B30.2090305@rustic-engines.com> <4A034575.4010806@rustic-engines.com> <4A1A013F.4080507@rustic-engines.com> <4A1A101E.9090106@tznet.com> Message-ID: <4A2C36ED.3080807@rustic-engines.com> G'day Pat, It's a holiday in Oz, for those that matter, today. :-P I'm out of hospital and rearing to get stuck into the FMZ. How did the packaging go Monday? Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Pat wrote: > oh dang I almost forgotten about it, I gonna apart it and fill in > smaller package asap good is tomorrow (Monday) is holiday day > I can do it. > > > > > Al Harris wrote: >> G'day Pat, >> >> I'm going into hospital next week so don't worry if it takes a couple >> of days for me to respond. >> >> How's it going your end with the dismantling and packaging? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Autumn Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Al Harris wrote: >>> Pat, I'll be away all day today. Don't despair if you don't get an >>> answer to an email, I'll get back to you tomorrow. >>> >>> Al >>> >>> >>> G'day Pat, >>> >>> It's time for that mounting plate and everything attached to it to >>> be put in a flat pack and sent to "offshore0427" in Oz. :-) >>> >>> Just give me a final figure for PayPal, including your packaging and >>> handling and I'll get it away to you thanks Pat. >>> >>> We do it through eBay to keep it above boards eh, even though you're >>> gunna part it for me. >>> >>> Looks like I turn mine into a hit&miss, maybe it originally was anyway. >>> >>> Hey, you still have a head, piston, con rod, crankshaft etc that you >>> can still make brass on. Win win. ;-) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Al Harris >>> Autumn Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>> >>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Sun Jun 7 16:59:27 2009 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 23:59:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Manzel Lubricator Parts - Help In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> Message-ID: I have a four line Manzel lubricator model 25W and need some new springs for the return pawl. It is for a big Franklin Valveless engine. The lubricator will ratchet, but the ratchet wheel won't stay put on the return stroke. I tore it apart and found that the return pawl was just laying there and the spring was broke. I can take pictures if needed. Any idea where I can get parts for this thing? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 7 20:53:09 2009 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 20:53:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Manzel Lubricator Parts - Help Message-ID: <687966.72677.qm@web31503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Do a google for Niagara Filtration, they are a graco manzel distributor. You can get most of the parts new, but they are pricey. Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > From: Luke Tonneberger > Subject: [SEL] Manzel Lubricator Parts - Help > To: "Engine List" > Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 6:59 PM > > I have a four line Manzel lubricator model 25W and need > some new springs for the return pawl. It is for a big > Franklin Valveless engine. The lubricator will ratchet, but > the ratchet wheel won't stay put on the return stroke. I > tore it apart and found that the return pawl was just laying > there and the spring was broke. I can take pictures if > needed. Any idea where I can get parts for this thing? > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about > storage limits. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Jun 7 22:27:24 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:27:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally 2009 Message-ID: Another excellent rally at Manilla. We left home at 3.50am and arrived in Manilla at 9.50am. The Austral was unloaded and running within 20 minutes. The weather was fine both days although there was a massive downpour at about 3am Sunday morning, thankfully we were staying at the pub rather than in a tent. The Austral did not miss a beat all weekend and is going well for its 92nd year. There were a lot of nice engines but my favourite was a scale model of the Waterloo Boy Tractor which took 7020 hours to build. It ran and drove just like the full scale version: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man09/pages/0906050175_JPG.htm We made sure a space was kept for Reg and Peter but neither made it: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man09/pages/0906050175_JPG.htm More pics from the rally at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man09/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From swork at endacomm.com Sun Jun 7 22:34:31 2009 From: swork at endacomm.com (S. Work) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 01:34:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem References: Message-ID: <567054B678DD4B16908508FF0F289A1C@ecsserverwebs> Inquiry : If you want equal water distribution, at each of the 16 locations , Why are you feeding it from the end ? Your feed points should be about center of the long runs, And 1 cross tube in the center, instead of on both ends. - - - - | - - - - | - - - - | - - - - X - Connect hose here . Add a Union on the cross feed tube for easy removal and storage :-) If ya really want it to Trickle, Put a coarse acquarium airstone at each drill point. The Ingot shaped 2 Inch long, and 3/4 inch wide should do nicely. P.S. Glad you're back on your feet ! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > Folks I need to apply equal amounts of water at 16 locations around a > rectangular square made if 1/2" pvc pipe. (8 locations down each side and > none on ends) > > The length of each side of the rectangle is 111" and the ends are 27". > > http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/?action=view¤t=diagram.jpg > > One man told me to drill 1/4" holes at each of the 16 locations but I > argued with him that the first few 1/4" holes located closest to the input > of the water would get more water than the rest and he said it would > not.....well they did. The first 4 holes on each side of the PVC closest > to the inlet of the water shot out streams of water about 4" long and the > last holes, the ones furthest away from the inlet of the water just > dribbled water. > > I am only drilling holes down the length of the rectangle and none on the > ends. The PVC pipe size is 1/2" and as stated above the length of each > side is 111" long. > > I use a 5/8" water hose (it only has a 1/2" bore size) to bring water to > the inlet of the rectangle. The bore size of the 1/2" pvc pipe is .485", > almost 1/2". > > The water flow rate is 5 gpm per minute coming out of the end of the 5/8 > hose. > > Can someone tell me how to plumb the rectangle in order to achieve an > equal flow of water at each of the 16 drilled hole outlets. I would assume > I will have to start out with small holes closest to the inlet and > gradually get bigger towards the end opposite the inlet of the water. I > just want the water to dribble out and not shoot out in streams and I > need, as close as I can get it, equal amounts coming out at each of the 16 > drilled locations. > > At each of these 16 locations there is a tomato plant. I am trying to > calculate how long to leave the water on in order to be able to supply 1" > of water to each plant as the tomato plants require 1" of water weekly and > more during the hot months. > > I will appreciate any and all help on this. > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/02/09 06:47:00 -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.56/2161 - Release Date: 06/07/09 17:53:00 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 00:07:13 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 08:07:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160906070853h47c7d286s7a6aa8680b600920@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160906080007w3ff36b6aj6c9cfcf7e8d84ff3@mail.gmail.com> 2009/6/7 Elden DuRand : > Peter: > > Thanks for posting the photos. ?It's odd, though. ?There are no Fairbanks-Morse, Economy or John Deere engines there! ? :-\) > > The only thing I can find to gig you on is that page 124 doesn't have a hyperlink. > > Take care - Elden Thanks, Elden, there was a typo in Menu Page 6, I have corrected that on both sites. There were a few American engines there, but certainly the line-up would look strange to American eyes! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Jun 8 10:43:21 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:43:21 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Mark, (Actually to Mark Shulaw but kept on the lists for others to read and learn!!) Just a quick update. I took the drive to my friend (70 miles away) yesterday and he recharged the magnets for both twins for me. Very impressive, I've never seen this done before. They previously only attracted a screwdriver - now you can pick the whole flywheel up with a lathe tool !! Unfortunately this was quite late yesterday so I could not "play" with the engine but it did appear to start easier (still with the electric drill) and ran a little smoother. Today was work (day job) again so I've not been able to do anything to the Maytag - next step is to try and start without the condensor. (I still cannot start it easily with the kick start!). I will first try with the condensor disconnected (but will not run it for any length of time like this). If this gives me a better spark then I'll replace the condensor. Can you tell me if I can use any car condensor (I've ordered from you but in the meanwhile should I go out and buy a condensor from a lawnmower engine (eg. Briggs & Stratton) to try with. I do not know anything about how condensors are "rated" and also know that if I went to one of the local "auto spares" shops that they would also not know the difference. My friend (who recharged the magnets) suggested a lawnmower engine condensor as these are for a magneto. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From rotigel at me.com Mon Jun 8 11:24:23 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:24:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <26065538-9A4C-4243-9379-D0B810A3C0D1@me.com> On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Mark, > Today was work (day job) again so I've > not been able to do anything to the Maytag..... > (I still cannot start it easily with the kick start!) > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans Hi Jerry. And your point is? Dave From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 8 11:11:54 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Good chance it won't start at all without the condenser - may cause points to arc and not break cleanly. Bill > Hi Mark, > (Actually to Mark Shulaw but kept on the lists for others to read > and learn!!) > Just a quick update. > I took the drive to my friend (70 miles away) yesterday and he > recharged the magnets for both twins for me. Very impressive, I've never > seen this done before. > They previously only attracted a screwdriver - now you can pick > the whole flywheel up with a lathe tool !! > Unfortunately this was quite late yesterday so I could not "play" > with the engine but it did appear to start easier (still with the electric > drill) and ran a little smoother. Today was work (day job) again so I've > not been able to do anything to the Maytag - next step is to try and start > without the condensor. (I still cannot start it easily with the kick > start!). > I will first try with the condensor disconnected (but will not > run > it for any length of time like this). If this gives me a better spark then > I'll replace the condensor. Can you tell me if I can use any car condensor > (I've ordered from you but in the meanwhile should I go out and buy a > condensor from a lawnmower engine (eg. Briggs & Stratton) to try with. > I do not know anything about how condensors are "rated" and also > know that if I went to one of the local "auto spares" shops that they > would > also not know the difference. My friend (who recharged the magnets) > suggested a lawnmower engine condensor as these are for a magneto. > > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jun 8 11:30:37 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 14:30:37 EDT Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils Message-ID: In a message dated 6/8/2009 2:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at me.com writes: Hi Jerry. And your point is? Dave Jerry's point is that some folks still have to work for a living, Dave. You obviously have been retired for so long that you have forgotten all about it. Maybe Arnie can fill you in on the drive to Evansville! See you there! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jun 8 11:35:12 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:35:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils Message-ID: <20090608183509.9CF6C76B834C@mail07.wcoil.com> I am learning here to as I have only hear of this being done by others with the original vintage coils from the 70s-80s. I was told by reliable people that the later vintage Briggs coils will not work. I hope to be shown differently. The Maytag uses a condenser rated quite a bit different then any car or other small engine condenser I have ever seen before. I do not know for sure that Maytag engines needed it but they were rated at 630vdc .154 to .22 mfd +-10 by the respective manufacturers. I have no way to test the suitability of other values as this is quite an involved project mathematically and with actual testing. I would not like to question what Eisemann or *Quick Action-Johnson* or American Bosch did as they knew their stuff and had the facilities and money to test. So who am I to question their ratings. They built systems for many other applications, not just the Maytag. The usual small engine and car condensers I have seen are usually rated at 250 to 430 vdc and .22 to .28 mfd. My feelings are its not much difference in price to put in the properly rated versus something thats not rated properly, Especially since new points are not being made any more and if you ruin them its way more $$ for USED points then a new condenser. That said this is a different coil then the Original so I do not know if this will change things. My belief and it is only a belief that we need to stick close to the original rating. But I would feel comfortable in testing with a Model T or Wico EK Condenser. Only time and running would tell the story. Mark At 01:43 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >Hi Mark, > (Actually to Mark Shulaw but kept on the lists for others > to read and learn!!) > Just a quick update. > I took the drive to my friend (70 miles away) yesterday and > he recharged the magnets for both twins for me. Very impressive, > I've never seen this done before. > They previously only attracted a screwdriver - now you can > pick the whole flywheel up with a lathe tool !! > Unfortunately this was quite late yesterday so I could not > "play" with the engine but it did appear to start easier (still > with the electric drill) and ran a little smoother. Today was work > (day job) again so I've not been able to do anything to the Maytag > - next step is to try and start without the condensor. (I still > cannot start it easily with the kick start!). > I will first try with the condensor disconnected (but will > not run it for any length of time like this). If this gives me a > better spark then I'll replace the condensor. Can you tell me if I > can use any car condensor (I've ordered from you but in the > meanwhile should I go out and buy a condensor from a lawnmower > engine (eg. Briggs & Stratton) to try with. > I do not know anything about how condensors are "rated" and > also know that if I went to one of the local "auto spares" shops > that they would also not know the difference. My friend (who > recharged the magnets) suggested a lawnmower engine condensor as > these are for a magneto. > > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > >To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > >stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >with: >unsubscribe >in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.56/2162 - Release Date: >06/08/09 06:01:00 Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jun 8 11:40:35 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:40:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: <1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engin es.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com> It should start and run without the condenser but only till the points burn which can be fairly quickly. The condenser has little to do with the actual generation of spark, more to do with the protection of the points from arching and burning quickly. If you try it without a condenser gap the points a bit wider then the spec .020 to get a clean break or so that the arc flame between the points does quit due to width of gap. Mark At 02:11 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >Good chance it won't start at all without the condenser - may cause points >to arc and not break cleanly. > >Bill > > > > Hi Mark, > > (Actually to Mark Shulaw but kept on the lists for others to read > > and learn!!) > > Just a quick update. > > I took the drive to my friend (70 miles away) yesterday and he > > recharged the magnets for both twins for me. Very impressive, I've never > > seen this done before. > > They previously only attracted a screwdriver - now you can pick > > the whole flywheel up with a lathe tool !! > > Unfortunately this was quite late yesterday so I could not "play" > > with the engine but it did appear to start easier (still with the electric > > drill) and ran a little smoother. Today was work (day job) again so I've > > not been able to do anything to the Maytag - next step is to try and start > > without the condensor. (I still cannot start it easily with the kick > > start!). > > I will first try with the condensor disconnected (but will not > > run > > it for any length of time like this). If this gives me a better spark then > > I'll replace the condensor. Can you tell me if I can use any car condensor > > (I've ordered from you but in the meanwhile should I go out and buy a > > condensor from a lawnmower engine (eg. Briggs & Stratton) to try with. > > I do not know anything about how condensors are "rated" and also > > know that if I went to one of the local "auto spares" shops that they > > would > > also not know the difference. My friend (who recharged the magnets) > > suggested a lawnmower engine condensor as these are for a magneto. > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > Jerry Evans > > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.56/2162 - Release Date: >06/08/09 06:01:00 Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 8 12:14:28 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: <20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <2289.165.206.180.130.1244488468.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Having a degree in automotive technology, earned when points were still in use to some degree, here's why I state that it MAY, mind you MAY not start and/or run, or run properly: When the points open, the sudden loss of primary current causes a quickly collapsing magnetic field in the coil which induces a larger voltage in the secondary windings. The voltage traveling through the secondary winding in turn induces a current flow, in reverse, in the primary circuit - enough to cause the points to arc. This ?back emf? is due to the design of the ignition coil and its inherent inductance. This feedback of electrical energy causes a spark to occur at the points that pits and erodes the contact surfaces. To suppress this energy, a condenser is used. It acts like a shock absorber (absorbing the back emf), ** and in so doing it helps to interrupt the primary current as quickly as possible when the points open. Without the condenser, the back emf would form an arc across the points as they separate, ** slowing the collapse of the coil?s field, thus delaying and thereby reducing the voltage rise in the secondary coil winding - ~possibly~ reducing it enough to cause it to not span the plugs gap. The condenser suppresses most, but not all of the back emf. So points still burn or erode. Bill > It should start and run without the condenser but only till the > points burn which can be fairly quickly. The condenser has little to > do with the actual generation of spark, more to do with the > protection of the points from arching and burning quickly. If you try > it without a condenser gap the points a bit wider then the spec .020 > to get a clean break or so that the arc flame between the points does > quit due to width of gap. Mark > > > At 02:11 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >>Good chance it won't start at all without the condenser - may cause >> points >>to arc and not break cleanly. >> >>Bill >> >> >> > Hi Mark, >> > (Actually to Mark Shulaw but kept on the lists for others to >> read >> > and learn!!) >> > Just a quick update. >> > I took the drive to my friend (70 miles away) yesterday and >> he >> > recharged the magnets for both twins for me. Very impressive, I've >> never >> > seen this done before. >> > They previously only attracted a screwdriver - now you can >> pick >> > the whole flywheel up with a lathe tool !! >> > Unfortunately this was quite late yesterday so I could not >> "play" >> > with the engine but it did appear to start easier (still with the >> electric >> > drill) and ran a little smoother. Today was work (day job) again so >> I've >> > not been able to do anything to the Maytag - next step is to try and >> start >> > without the condensor. (I still cannot start it easily with the kick >> > start!). >> > I will first try with the condensor disconnected (but will >> not >> > run >> > it for any length of time like this). If this gives me a better spark >> then >> > I'll replace the condensor. Can you tell me if I can use any car >> condensor >> > (I've ordered from you but in the meanwhile should I go out and buy a >> > condensor from a lawnmower engine (eg. Briggs & Stratton) to try with. >> > I do not know anything about how condensors are "rated" and >> also >> > know that if I went to one of the local "auto spares" shops that they >> > would >> > also not know the difference. My friend (who recharged the magnets) >> > suggested a lawnmower engine condensor as these are for a magneto. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Keep the revs up (or down) >> > Jerry Evans >> > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >> > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.56/2162 - Release Date: >>06/08/09 06:01:00 > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From george at irontrader.com Mon Jun 8 12:40:23 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:40:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures References: Message-ID: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> Elden, There were all of the engines you mentioned at the show. Peter just may have skipped taking photos of them. I haven't had a chance yet to see what he posted. ] George---- waiting at the Newark airport for my flight back to the westcoast. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures > Peter: > > Thanks for posting the photos. It's odd, though. There are no > Fairbanks-Morse, Economy or John Deere engines there! :-\) > > The only thing I can find to gig you on is that page 124 doesn't have a > hyperlink. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of >> Listerdiesel >> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 10:53 AM >> To: Stationary-Engine >> Cc: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures >> >> >> Got the first 96 pictures captioned and set up: >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nuenen2009 > /Nuenen2009Menu1.htm > > and at: > > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2009/Nuenen2009Menu1.htm > > Links at the bottom of each menu page to switch between the pages. > > These are NOT on the main menu page yet, there are two more pages to > be set up, about 160 pictures in all. > > Let me know of any obvious mistakes please. > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Jun 8 12:41:50 2009 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:41:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com> <2289.165.206.180.130.1244488468.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <7B1A54EE4C7140BA96108BC11ABDF1C5@D6R3D961> well put, that is how I learned it Roger DiRuscio Fremont, Ca 94539 510-226-2414 ofc message line website, scrapologist.com Ham radio KG6QKZ (gen) Fremont CERT volunteer "Ardenwood" ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils Having a degree in automotive technology, earned when points were still in use to some degree, here's why I state that it MAY, mind you MAY not start and/or run, or run properly: From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 13:14:04 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 21:14:04 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures In-Reply-To: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> References: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> Message-ID: <6f6025160906081314n756805fdrc7385433cc61ac9f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/6/8 George Best : > Elden, > > There were all of the engines you mentioned at the show. > I don't think we got all the engines, and quite possibly missed a few in the process. Have a safe trip home, George, you'll need the rest! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From george at irontrader.com Mon Jun 8 13:26:19 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:26:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures References: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> <6f6025160906081314n756805fdrc7385433cc61ac9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter.... I'm pretty tired at the moment. First of all Arnie and the Roysters kept us up till midnight almost every night! Then I had to get up at 3:30am Holland time. By the time I complete this next flight and drive home (11pm Pacific time zone) I'll have been up for 28.5 hours. I'm getting too old for this type of travel ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures > 2009/6/8 George Best : >> Elden, >> >> There were all of the engines you mentioned at the show. >> > > I don't think we got all the engines, and quite possibly missed a few > in the process. > > Have a safe trip home, George, you'll need the rest! > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Mon Jun 8 14:46:09 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:46:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures In-Reply-To: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> References: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> Message-ID: On Jun 8, 2009, at 3:40 PM, George Best wrote: > > George---- waiting at the Newark airport for my flight back to the > westcoast. Hi George, I sure hope that you get out of that "hell hole" by Thursday! Dave From rotigel at me.com Mon Jun 8 14:48:54 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:48:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: <20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com> Message-ID: On Jun 8, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > It should start and run without the condenser > Mark ROFLMFAO!!!!!!! Dave From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Jun 8 14:58:48 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 17:58:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast References: <101D4B2235114A65BC68ED6DFBF04184@BLUE2> Message-ID: <000c01c9e884$4d59d5f0$83674b47@mikecomp> The EHOWT gropu is back!!!!!!! We had the best time and met the nicest people and swa the most unusual engines in Europe. Pictues and reports to follow. A special thanks th George Best and Harry Terpstra for making it all happen, you guys are the best! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast > I'm sitting at the Portland Oregon airport waiting to board my flight to > Newark. Will be meeting up with Steve and Mike at Newark, then the 3 of > us > are on the same flight to Amsterdam. > > Looking forward to meeting up with everyone at the airport and getting > this > tour on the road!! > > Should be lots of fun and I'm sure someone will post a few pictures or > stories while we're on the tour. > > George > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:28 AM > Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast > > >> Well it looks like the EHOWT09 will have an auspicious start at the >> Nuenen >> rally >> Friday - Monday. Pack that sunscreen! >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2248?count=10 >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jun 8 15:32:16 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 08:32:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils References: Message-ID: <9B3B708149734AA297370FFBA19E8F9B@REG> With the job? he had, he never did a days work anyway!! Just chased the young chicks and flapped the lip!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 4:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils > > In a message dated 6/8/2009 2:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > rotigel at me.com writes: > > Hi Jerry. And your point is? > Dave > > > > > Jerry's point is that some folks still have to work for a living, Dave. > You obviously have been retired for so long that you have forgotten all > about it. Maybe Arnie can fill you in on the drive to Evansville! See > you > there! > > > > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your > fingertips. > (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Jun 8 16:48:00 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 18:48:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: <2289.165.206.180.130.1244488468.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Jerry & Bill: A couple of years ago, I did a study of point/coil/condenser (battery or mag) and ignitor ignition electrics. The condenser is, in fact, needed in order to produce a "hot" spark at the plug. As a side effect, it also supresses arcing at the points. What you have with this type of ignition is a parallel resonant L/C circuit. The "L" is the inductance of the primary of the coil plus the reflected inductance of the secondary of the coil. The "C" is the capacitance of the condenser. What happens is that when the points are closed, there is a magnetic field produced by the primary in the core of the coil. At this time, the condenser does not exist in the circuit, being short-circuited by the points. The fun begins when the points open. As soon as the points open, the field of the coil begins to collapse, inducing a voltage across the condenser which is now in the circuit. The rate at which the voltage rises is dependent upon the capacity of the condenser and the inductance of the coil. Once the coil's field has collapsed completely (and made one spark at the plug), the condenser is charged up and has nowhere else to discharge itself but back into the primary of the coil, which it does, causing the magnetic field to build back up in the coil (albeit at a lower voltage|). When the condenser has discharged itself, the field of the coil again collapses (making another, weaker, spark) and charges the condenser again. This goes on for several cycles and is called a "damped oscillation". The reason the points burn if you don't have a condenser across them is that the voltage rises faster than the points can open and a series of small arcs occur at the points as they relatively slowly open, adding up to a big heating event. There is actually a damped oscillation in the coil even without the condenser. This is caused by the distributed capacitance of the coil and wiring. The frequency of this oscillation is very high and the coil, as designed, is very inefficient at producing a high secondary voltage at this frequency. If you want to see oscilloscope pictures of what happens in a point/coil/condenser, go to my web page (below my signature) then go to "Otherstuff" and pick your subject. Oh, yes. You can get very scientific about the value of the condenser used but most of the coils aren't very picky about just what resonant frequency they resonate at. As long as the value is between 0.15 microfarad and 0.47 microfarad, you should be okay. If you get a non-automotive condenser, get a film type (NOT ELECTROLYTIC!) capacitor rated at 630 Volts DC and you will be fine. Please note that this is just an audit class. No quizzes will be given. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > bill at antique-engines.com > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 02:14 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils > > > Having a degree in automotive technology, earned > when points were still in > use to some degree, here's why I state that it > MAY, mind you MAY not start > and/or run, or run properly: > > When the points open, the sudden loss of primary > current causes a quickly > collapsing magnetic field in the coil which > induces a larger voltage in > the secondary windings. The voltage traveling > through the secondary > winding in turn induces a current flow, in > reverse, in the primary circuit > - enough to cause the points to arc. > This ?back emf? is due to the design of the > ignition coil and its inherent > inductance. This feedback of electrical energy > causes a spark to occur at > the points that pits and erodes the contact > surfaces. To suppress this > energy, a condenser is used. It acts like a > shock absorber (absorbing the > back emf), ** and in so doing it helps to > interrupt the primary current as > quickly as possible when the points open. > Without the condenser, the back emf would form an > arc across the points as > they separate, ** slowing the collapse of the > coil?s field, thus delaying > and thereby reducing the voltage rise in the > secondary coil winding - > ~possibly~ reducing it enough to cause it to not > span the plugs gap. The > condenser suppresses most, but not all of the > back emf. So points still > burn or erode. > > Bill > > > It should start and run without the condenser > but only till the > > points burn which can be fairly quickly. The > condenser has little to > > do with the actual generation of spark, more to > do with the > > protection of the points from arching and > burning quickly. If you try > > it without a condenser gap the points a bit > wider then the spec .020 > > to get a clean break or so that the arc flame > between the points does > > quit due to width of gap. Mark From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jun 8 17:00:45 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:00:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20090609000042.708FD1D0CBB@mail04.wcoil.com> Really?? Want me to prove it at Coolsprings. At 05:48 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >On Jun 8, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > > It should start and run without the condenser > > Mark > >ROFLMFAO!!!!!!! > Dave >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.58/2164 - Release Date: >06/08/09 17:59:00 Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From kimmell at verizon.net Mon Jun 8 18:05:29 2009 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:05:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: <20090609000042.708FD1D0CBB@mail04.wcoil.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com> <20090609000042.708FD1D0CBB@mail04.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <0KKY000O45P53W80@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> I think he was laughing at the "start and run" part of the sentence... ;-) -Tony At 07:00 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >Really?? Want me to prove it at Coolsprings. From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 8 18:26:26 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 20:26:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, I was trained by Sun on the use of he scope, own a scope now, and got my first job by showing the service manager what was wrong with the Ford he ws working on. You can see it all in the scope pattern...... And tell a LOT about an engine, even mechanically, if you can read the scope. The full operating of the system would take pages............ I've still got all my Sun training guides downstairs......... Pages and pages. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:48 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils Jerry & Bill: A couple of years ago, I did a study of point/coil/condenser (battery or mag) and ignitor ignition electrics. The condenser is, in fact, needed in order to produce a "hot" spark at the plug. As a side effect, it also supresses arcing at the points. What you have with this type of ignition is a parallel resonant L/C circuit. The "L" is the inductance of the primary of the coil plus the reflected inductance of the secondary of the coil. The "C" is the capacitance of the condenser. What happens is that when the points are closed, there is a magnetic field produced by the primary in the core of the coil. At this time, the condenser does not exist in the circuit, being short-circuited by the points. The fun begins when the points open. As soon as the points open, the field of the coil begins to collapse, inducing a voltage across the condenser which is now in the circuit. The rate at which the voltage rises is dependent upon the capacity of the condenser and the inductance of the coil. Once the coil's field has collapsed completely (and made one spark at the plug), the condenser is charged up and has nowhere else to discharge itself but back into the primary of the coil, which it does, causing the magnetic field to build back up in the coil (albeit at a lower voltage|). When the condenser has discharged itself, the field of the coil again collapses (making another, weaker, spark) and charges the condenser again. This goes on for several cycles and is called a "damped oscillation". The reason the points burn if you don't have a condenser across them is that the voltage rises faster than the points can open and a series of small arcs occur at the points as they relatively slowly open, adding up to a big heating event. There is actually a damped oscillation in the coil even without the condenser. This is caused by the distributed capacitance of the coil and wiring. The frequency of this oscillation is very high and the coil, as designed, is very inefficient at producing a high secondary voltage at this frequency. If you want to see oscilloscope pictures of what happens in a point/coil/condenser, go to my web page (below my signature) then go to "Otherstuff" and pick your subject. Oh, yes. You can get very scientific about the value of the condenser used but most of the coils aren't very picky about just what resonant frequency they resonate at. As long as the value is between 0.15 microfarad and 0.47 microfarad, you should be okay. If you get a non-automotive condenser, get a film type (NOT ELECTROLYTIC!) capacitor rated at 630 Volts DC and you will be fine. Please note that this is just an audit class. No quizzes will be given. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > bill at antique-engines.com > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 02:14 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils > > > Having a degree in automotive technology, earned when points were > still in use to some degree, here's why I state that it MAY, mind you > MAY not start and/or run, or run properly: > > When the points open, the sudden loss of primary current causes a > quickly collapsing magnetic field in the coil which induces a larger > voltage in the secondary windings. The voltage traveling through the > secondary winding in turn induces a current flow, in reverse, in the > primary circuit > - enough to cause the points to arc. > This "back emf" is due to the design of the ignition coil and its > inherent inductance. This feedback of electrical energy causes a > spark to occur at the points that pits and erodes the contact > surfaces. To suppress this energy, a condenser is used. It acts like > a shock absorber (absorbing the back emf), ** and in so doing it helps > to interrupt the primary current as quickly as possible when the > points open. > Without the condenser, the back emf would form an arc across the > points as they separate, ** slowing the collapse of the coil's field, > thus delaying and thereby reducing the voltage rise in the secondary > coil winding - ~possibly~ reducing it enough to cause it to not span > the plugs gap. The condenser suppresses most, but not all of the back > emf. So points still burn or erode. > > Bill > > > It should start and run without the condenser > but only till the > > points burn which can be fairly quickly. The > condenser has little to > > do with the actual generation of spark, more to > do with the > > protection of the points from arching and > burning quickly. If you try > > it without a condenser gap the points a bit > wider then the spec .020 > > to get a clean break or so that the arc flame > between the points does > > quit due to width of gap. Mark _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 8 18:27:42 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 20:27:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: <0KKY000O45P53W80@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <3A787559917644B4B04359AD40661B95@sheeba> Exactly - Maytags don't run according to Dave............. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tony & Jackie Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 8:05 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils I think he was laughing at the "start and run" part of the sentence... ;-) -Tony At 07:00 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >Really?? Want me to prove it at Coolsprings. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jun 8 19:23:53 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:23:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: <0KKY000O45P53W80@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com> <20090609000042.708FD1D0CBB@mail04.wcoil.com> <0KKY000O45P53W80@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20090609022350.D152A1475C3@mail01.wcoil.com> Thank Tony, Thats right the evil one does not believe they run. Its all smoke and mirrors, he says. GRINN Mark PS: Can't wait for Coolsprings PPS: Can't wait for Coolsprings PPPS: Can't wait for Coolsprings At 09:05 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >I think he was laughing at the "start and run" part of the sentence... ;-) > >-Tony > >At 07:00 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: > >Really?? Want me to prove it at Coolsprings. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jun 8 19:28:42 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:28:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090609022838.F3CF61D101D@mail04.wcoil.com> Hi Bill, Long Time no hear. How was Waukee this year? I hear things were some better then last. Sure missed going out. Hows Mike B haven't heard from him in even longer. Mark At 09:26 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >Yes, I was trained by Sun on the use of he scope, own a scope now, and got >my first job by showing the service manager what was wrong with the Ford he >ws working on. >You can see it all in the scope pattern...... And tell a LOT about an >engine, even mechanically, if you can read the scope. >The full operating of the system would take pages............ > >I've still got all my Sun training guides downstairs......... Pages and >pages. > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand >Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:48 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils > >Jerry & Bill: > >A couple of years ago, I did a study of point/coil/condenser (battery or >mag) and ignitor ignition electrics. > >The condenser is, in fact, needed in order to produce a "hot" spark at the >plug. As a side effect, it also supresses arcing at the points. > >What you have with this type of ignition is a parallel resonant L/C circuit. >The "L" is the inductance of the primary of the coil plus the reflected >inductance of the secondary of the coil. The "C" is the capacitance of the >condenser. > >What happens is that when the points are closed, there is a magnetic field >produced by the primary in the core of the coil. At this time, the >condenser does not exist in the circuit, being short-circuited by the >points. > >The fun begins when the points open. As soon as the points open, the field >of the coil begins to collapse, inducing a voltage across the condenser >which is now in the circuit. The rate at which the voltage rises is >dependent upon the capacity of the condenser and the inductance of the coil. >Once the coil's field has collapsed completely (and made one spark at the >plug), the condenser is charged up and has nowhere else to discharge itself >but back into the primary of the coil, which it does, causing the magnetic >field to build back up in the coil (albeit at a lower voltage|). When the >condenser has discharged itself, the field of the coil again collapses >(making another, weaker, spark) and charges the condenser again. This goes >on for several cycles and is called a "damped oscillation". > >The reason the points burn if you don't have a condenser across them is that >the voltage rises faster than the points can open and a series of small arcs >occur at the points as they relatively slowly open, adding up to a big >heating event. > >There is actually a damped oscillation in the coil even without the >condenser. This is caused by the distributed capacitance of the coil and >wiring. The frequency of this oscillation is very high and the coil, as >designed, is very inefficient at producing a high secondary voltage at this >frequency. > >If you want to see oscilloscope pictures of what happens in a >point/coil/condenser, go to my web page (below my signature) then go to >"Otherstuff" and pick your subject. > >Oh, yes. You can get very scientific about the value of the condenser used >but most of the coils aren't very picky about just what resonant frequency >they resonate at. As long as the value is between 0.15 microfarad and 0.47 >microfarad, you should be okay. If you get a non-automotive condenser, get >a film type (NOT ELECTROLYTIC!) capacitor rated at 630 Volts DC and you will >be fine. > >Please note that this is just an audit class. No quizzes will be given. > >Take care - Elden >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of > > bill at antique-engines.com > > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 02:14 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils > > > > > > Having a degree in automotive technology, earned when points were > > still in use to some degree, here's why I state that it MAY, mind you > > MAY not start and/or run, or run properly: > > > > When the points open, the sudden loss of primary current causes a > > quickly collapsing magnetic field in the coil which induces a larger > > voltage in the secondary windings. The voltage traveling through the > > secondary winding in turn induces a current flow, in reverse, in the > > primary circuit > > - enough to cause the points to arc. > > This "back emf" is due to the design of the ignition coil and its > > inherent inductance. This feedback of electrical energy causes a > > spark to occur at the points that pits and erodes the contact > > surfaces. To suppress this energy, a condenser is used. It acts like > > a shock absorber (absorbing the back emf), ** and in so doing it helps > > to interrupt the primary current as quickly as possible when the > > points open. > > Without the condenser, the back emf would form an arc across the > > points as they separate, ** slowing the collapse of the coil's field, > > thus delaying and thereby reducing the voltage rise in the secondary > > coil winding - ~possibly~ reducing it enough to cause it to not span > > the plugs gap. The condenser suppresses most, but not all of the back > > emf. So points still burn or erode. > > > > Bill > > > > > It should start and run without the condenser > > but only till the > > > points burn which can be fairly quickly. The > > condenser has little to > > > do with the actual generation of spark, more to > > do with the > > > protection of the points from arching and > > burning quickly. If you try > > > it without a condenser gap the points a bit > > wider then the spec .020 > > > to get a clean break or so that the arc flame > > between the points does > > > quit due to width of gap. Mark > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.58/2164 - Release Date: >06/08/09 17:59:00 Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Tue Jun 9 03:07:47 2009 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 18:07:47 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com><20090609000042.708FD1D0CBB@mail04.wcoil.com><0KKY000O45P53W80@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <20090609022350.D152A1475C3@mail01.wcoil.com> Message-ID: there are possibly thousands of Maytag's that run quietly some were! Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils > Thank Tony, Thats right the evil one does not believe they run. Its > all smoke and mirrors, he says. GRINN Mark > > PS: Can't wait for Coolsprings > PPS: Can't wait for Coolsprings > PPPS: Can't wait for Coolsprings > > At 09:05 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >>I think he was laughing at the "start and run" part of the sentence... >>;-) >> >>-Tony >> >>At 07:00 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >> >Really?? Want me to prove it at Coolsprings. > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Jun 9 04:14:11 2009 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:14:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Manzel Lubricator Parts - Help In-Reply-To: <687966.72677.qm@web31503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <687966.72677.qm@web31503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks alot Joe!! I called Niagra Filtration and a guy named Steve said that he couldn't help me. He also said that Manzel had a falling out and Sloan Bros. is reproducing everything at a low cost and they have quality parts. The guy I spoke with suggested I call Sloan Brothers out of Freeport, PA. 1-800-722-0250. At Sload Bros. I spoke with a very helpful guy named Matt. He looked up the part number of the spring I needed, put me on hold and went out to the shop floor and grabbed the two springs for me. $4 each plus shipping and they are on the way. Thought someone else could use this info. Thanks again Joe. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================= > From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com > > > Do a google for Niagara Filtration, they are a graco manzel distributor. You can get most of the parts new, but they are pricey. > Joe > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan > > > --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > > From: Luke Tonneberger > > > > I have a four line Manzel lubricator model 25W and need > > some new springs for the return pawl. It is for a big > > Franklin Valveless engine. The lubricator will ratchet, but > > the ratchet wheel won't stay put on the return stroke. I > > tore it apart and found that the return pawl was just laying > > there and the spring was broke. I can take pictures if > > needed. Any idea where I can get parts for this thing? > > > > > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > > > Rockford, Michigan > > > > USA _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jun 9 08:10:08 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:10:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve: I DID remember! Please private email me and I'll send you my snail mail address so you have either email or the other way of getting the St Marys drawings to me. Take care - Elden edurand @ mchsi.com (remove spaces|) http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Elden > DuRand > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 06:08 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > Steve: > > I'll try to rememberize you 'bout it if my CRS > don't kick-in. :-) > > Have a ball! > > Take care - Elde > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Steve > > Royster > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:46 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > > > > > > HI Elden, I'll send you a set when I get back > > from the EHOWT09 tour. My brain may be fried > > after seeing that much old iron so remind me in > > two weeks please. Thanks Steve > > > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:29:53 -0500 > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > > > > Steve: > > > > > > If it's not too much trouble (I'll reimburse > > you for copying and postage), I'd also like to > > have the McVickers drawings. After I complete the > > Hvid I'm building (and get bored running it) I'll > > be looking for another unusual engine feature to > > build a homebrew engine around. > > > > > > Thanks and take care - Elden From George_Best at adp.com Tue Jun 9 07:42:17 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 09:42:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Back from Nuenen and EHOWT In-Reply-To: <000c01c9e884$4d59d5f0$83674b47@mikecomp> References: <101D4B2235114A65BC68ED6DFBF04184@BLUE2> <000c01c9e884$4d59d5f0$83674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4567DCF5@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> I'm back at work after absolutely the best tour we've done! Great weather, great people, and unbelievable engine collections. I'll let the Royster's tell more. Got back to work to find out that we'd had a large number of layoffs while I was gone. Thankfully I'm am not one of the ones without a job. George From George_Best at adp.com Tue Jun 9 08:22:50 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:22:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] LaFormi-Jimmy O? In-Reply-To: <8A5212FC-DA4C-4A32-B334-4D0ED67033C8@rustyiron.com> References: <8A5212FC-DA4C-4A32-B334-4D0ED67033C8@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4567DE5B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> So does anyone on this list know who got the La Fourmi engine? I saw at least 4 La Fourmi engines on the trip, including one that is for sale but is on the large size and is the largest known LaFourmi of the 15 or so known to exist. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 3:16 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] LaFormi-Jimmy O? Nope. My meager bid was insufficient. I knew Jimmy was sniffing around, and was hoping that he got it so I could see it run when he brought it out to a show. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On May 31, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > Rob, > > Are you bragging? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Jun 9 10:00:42 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 13:00:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures In-Reply-To: References: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> <6f6025160906081314n756805fdrc7385433cc61ac9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: George, It seems you were traveling with a rough bunch...... bread thieves, hotel breaking and entering...... partying with the world cup field hockey super girls all night. The only thing worse was having to eat that Shworma every night and guzzling that Belgian ale! All in all though I'd give at at least a 101 out of 100 road trip score. Maybe I,ll get all 6,000 photos posted by next week..... or at least by the time Arnie finishes the Benz/Lorenz registry! Thanks guys for a great trip, Absolutely the finest road trip on earth, Steve.... the Good Cloistered Oyster Brother > From: george at irontrader.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:26:19 -0700 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures > > Peter.... I'm pretty tired at the moment. > > First of all Arnie and the Roysters kept us up till midnight almost every > night! > > Then I had to get up at 3:30am Holland time. > > By the time I complete this next flight and drive home (11pm Pacific time > zone) I'll have been up for 28.5 hours. I'm getting too old for this type > of travel ;-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 1:14 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures > > > > 2009/6/8 George Best : > >> Elden, > >> > >> There were all of the engines you mentioned at the show. > >> > > > > I don't think we got all the engines, and quite possibly missed a few > > in the process. > > > > Have a safe trip home, George, you'll need the rest! > > > > Peter > > -- > > Peter A Forbes > > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 From George_Best at adp.com Tue Jun 9 11:27:35 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 13:27:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT In-Reply-To: References: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> <6f6025160906081314n756805fdrc7385433cc61ac9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4567E474@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Netherlands: In the Netherlands, shawarma (shoarma) is a popular meal, especially after a night out. Here it is served as pork, chicken, beef or lamb combined with salad and garlic sauce. It is usually served with French Fries (friet or patat) and can be bought from many places, including the local snackbars. It is generally served with pit? bread, which is cut open and the meat is placed inside. This is called Broodje Shoarma (small bread with shoarma) although can be served in larger portions without bread. Dutch Shoarma is not produced as described in the method above - spit roasted, but is pre diced lamb or pork that is then grilled or fried, or a combination of both. Actually, we didn't have it every night, contrary to what Steve said ;-) First night at Eindhoven we wandered around looking for a restaurant I have eaten at in the past. We couldn't find it, but found another neighborhood restaurant that served shoarma. It was pretty good and possibly better than the one we were searching for. We did try for shoarma one night in Harry's home town, but they had sold out by the time we arrived and had to have something else. The last night of the tour we had actually planned on going to the pancake ship in Leeuwarden, but the group started the shoarma chant so we decided to return to the local restaurant hoping they were not sold out. They were not, so most of us had a shoarma meal the last night. Steve didn't mention that he didn't have shoarma, but had the spareribs which were quite tasty. Better than the ones he had in Belgium. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:01 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures George, It seems you were traveling with a rough bunch...... bread thieves, hotel breaking and entering...... partying with the world cup field hockey super girls all night. The only thing worse was having to eat that Shworma every night and guzzling that Belgian ale! All in all though I'd give at at least a 101 out of 100 road trip score. Maybe I,ll get all 6,000 photos posted by next week..... or at least by the time Arnie finishes the Benz/Lorenz registry! Thanks guys for a great trip, Absolutely the finest road trip on earth, Steve.... the Good Cloistered Oyster Brother > From: george at irontrader.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:26:19 -0700 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures > > Peter.... I'm pretty tired at the moment. > > First of all Arnie and the Roysters kept us up till midnight almost every > night! > > Then I had to get up at 3:30am Holland time. > > By the time I complete this next flight and drive home (11pm Pacific time > zone) I'll have been up for 28.5 hours. I'm getting too old for this type > of travel ;-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 1:14 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures > > > > 2009/6/8 George Best : > >> Elden, > >> > >> There were all of the engines you mentioned at the show. > >> > > > > I don't think we got all the engines, and quite possibly missed a few > > in the process. > > > > Have a safe trip home, George, you'll need the rest! > > > > Peter > > -- > > Peter A Forbes > > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that's right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jun 9 13:06:46 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 16:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4567E474@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> <6f6025160906081314n756805fdrc7385433cc61ac9f@mail.gmail.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4567E474@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Meow... Cat - the other white meat... Tasty though... 8-)) On Tue, June 9, 2009 2:27 pm, Best, George wrote: > In the shawarma (shoarma) is a > popular meal, especially after a night out. Here it is served as pork, chicken, > beef or lamb combined with salad and garlic sauce. > The last night of the tour we had actually planned on going to the pancake ship in > Leeuwarden, but the group started the shoarma chant so we decided to return to the > local restaurant hoping they were not sold out. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jun 9 15:26:55 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 18:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: G'day Patrick, Great rally pics as always. That Waterloo Boy tractor is a gorgeous piece of work. It reminds me of Jerry Kieffer's John Deere. http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/Kieffer1.htm The craftsmen who do this sort of work are truly an inspiration in an age where much of the manufacturing has been shipped off to cheap third-world countries and the best that so many folks can manage is to press the button on the TV remote. Let's hope that this gent (and the others) keep their passion! See ya, Arnie On Mon, June 8, 2009 1:27 am, Patrick wrote: > Another excellent rally at Manilla. We left home at 3.50am and arrived in > Manilla at 9.50am. The Austral was unloaded and running within 20 minutes. > The weather was fine both days although there was a massive downpour at > about 3am Sunday morning, thankfully we were staying at the pub rather than > in a tent. > The Austral did not miss a beat all weekend and is going well for its 92nd > year. There were a lot of nice engines but my favourite was a scale model of > the Waterloo Boy Tractor which took 7020 hours to build. It ran and drove > just like the full scale version: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man09/pages/0906050175_JPG.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jun 10 07:02:27 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:02:27 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090610155714.01ca6cf0@mail.atech.co.za> > >From: David Rotigel >Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils > >On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > Today was work (day job) again so I've > > not been able to do anything to the Maytag..... > > (I still cannot start it easily with the kick start!) > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > Jerry Evans > >Hi Jerry. And your point is? > Dave Hi Dave, So glad to hear from you. This thread has been going for about 10 days and you had not commented yet - I was really getting worried - I thought you may have been sick or worse still maybe gone "room temperature" :-) Good to see that you're still around. :-) Keep well Jerry From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jun 10 06:56:47 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:56:47 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090610155315.01ca8840@mail.atech.co.za> Hi All, Many thanks to all of you who replied with such good information. I'm sifting through it and learning - which is what this is all about! I've not touched the engine again (day job etc.etc.) but will keep you informed. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jun 10 07:30:19 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: <20090609022838.F3CF61D101D@mail04.wcoil.com> References: <20090609022838.F3CF61D101D@mail04.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <2120.165.206.180.130.1244644219.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Yeah, long time. Well, I missed the MN meet - Mike was tied up moving his sister back to Iowa so he didn't go, and I was busy working on my Javelin and other projects. Then Waukee came up and I didn't make that either! Just too much going on this year. I would hope it was better- last year it was really really down - of course the high fuel prices helped do that. Mike was fine last I spoke with him - been a few weeks. He keeps busy, too - still get email from him every few days. Him and his corny jokes! HOPEFULLY, next year I'll be back into the engines, this year, it's the year of the cars........Major restoration of the rear suspension and undercarriage on the Jav - attention to detail like proper bolt finish, etc. Some have compared my differential restoration to the Ashmeade MD Javelin. (google that one) Bill > Hi Bill, > Long Time no hear. How was Waukee this year? I hear things were > some better then last. Sure missed going out. > Hows Mike B haven't heard from him in even longer. Mark > > At 09:26 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >>Yes, I was trained by Sun on the use of he scope, own a scope now, and >> got >>my first job by showing the service manager what was wrong with the Ford >> he >>ws working on. >>You can see it all in the scope pattern...... And tell a LOT about an >>engine, even mechanically, if you can read the scope. >>The full operating of the system would take pages............ >> >>I've still got all my Sun training guides downstairs......... Pages and >>pages. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden >> DuRand >>Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:48 PM >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils >> >>Jerry & Bill: >> >>A couple of years ago, I did a study of point/coil/condenser (battery or >>mag) and ignitor ignition electrics. >> >>The condenser is, in fact, needed in order to produce a "hot" spark at >> the >>plug. As a side effect, it also supresses arcing at the points. >> >>What you have with this type of ignition is a parallel resonant L/C >> circuit. >>The "L" is the inductance of the primary of the coil plus the reflected >>inductance of the secondary of the coil. The "C" is the capacitance of >> the >>condenser. >> >>What happens is that when the points are closed, there is a magnetic >> field >>produced by the primary in the core of the coil. At this time, the >>condenser does not exist in the circuit, being short-circuited by the >>points. >> >>The fun begins when the points open. As soon as the points open, the >> field >>of the coil begins to collapse, inducing a voltage across the condenser >>which is now in the circuit. The rate at which the voltage rises is >>dependent upon the capacity of the condenser and the inductance of the >> coil. >>Once the coil's field has collapsed completely (and made one spark at the >>plug), the condenser is charged up and has nowhere else to discharge >> itself >>but back into the primary of the coil, which it does, causing the >> magnetic >>field to build back up in the coil (albeit at a lower voltage|). When >> the >>condenser has discharged itself, the field of the coil again collapses >>(making another, weaker, spark) and charges the condenser again. This >> goes >>on for several cycles and is called a "damped oscillation". >> >>The reason the points burn if you don't have a condenser across them is >> that >>the voltage rises faster than the points can open and a series of small >> arcs >>occur at the points as they relatively slowly open, adding up to a big >>heating event. >> >>There is actually a damped oscillation in the coil even without the >>condenser. This is caused by the distributed capacitance of the coil and >>wiring. The frequency of this oscillation is very high and the coil, as >>designed, is very inefficient at producing a high secondary voltage at >> this >>frequency. >> >>If you want to see oscilloscope pictures of what happens in a >>point/coil/condenser, go to my web page (below my signature) then go to >>"Otherstuff" and pick your subject. >> >>Oh, yes. You can get very scientific about the value of the condenser >> used >>but most of the coils aren't very picky about just what resonant >> frequency >>they resonate at. As long as the value is between 0.15 microfarad and >> 0.47 >>microfarad, you should be okay. If you get a non-automotive condenser, >> get >>a film type (NOT ELECTROLYTIC!) capacitor rated at 630 Volts DC and you >> will >>be fine. >> >>Please note that this is just an audit class. No quizzes will be given. >> >>Take care - Elden >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> > Behalf Of >> > bill at antique-engines.com >> > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 02:14 PM >> > To: The SEL email discussion list >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils >> > >> > >> > Having a degree in automotive technology, earned when points were >> > still in use to some degree, here's why I state that it MAY, mind you >> > MAY not start and/or run, or run properly: >> > >> > When the points open, the sudden loss of primary current causes a >> > quickly collapsing magnetic field in the coil which induces a larger >> > voltage in the secondary windings. The voltage traveling through the >> > secondary winding in turn induces a current flow, in reverse, in the >> > primary circuit >> > - enough to cause the points to arc. >> > This "back emf" is due to the design of the ignition coil and its >> > inherent inductance. This feedback of electrical energy causes a >> > spark to occur at the points that pits and erodes the contact >> > surfaces. To suppress this energy, a condenser is used. It acts like >> > a shock absorber (absorbing the back emf), ** and in so doing it helps >> > to interrupt the primary current as quickly as possible when the >> > points open. >> > Without the condenser, the back emf would form an arc across the >> > points as they separate, ** slowing the collapse of the coil's field, >> > thus delaying and thereby reducing the voltage rise in the secondary >> > coil winding - ~possibly~ reducing it enough to cause it to not span >> > the plugs gap. The condenser suppresses most, but not all of the back >> > emf. So points still burn or erode. >> > >> > Bill >> > >> > > It should start and run without the condenser >> > but only till the >> > > points burn which can be fairly quickly. The >> > condenser has little to >> > > do with the actual generation of spark, more to >> > do with the >> > > protection of the points from arching and >> > burning quickly. If you try >> > > it without a condenser gap the points a bit >> > wider then the spec .020 >> > > to get a clean break or so that the arc flame >> > between the points does >> > > quit due to width of gap. Mark >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.58/2164 - Release Date: >>06/08/09 17:59:00 > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jun 10 05:36:02 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - air compressor question In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com><20090609000042.708FD1D0CBB@mail04.wcoil.com><0KKY000O45P53W80@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <20090609022350.D152A1475C3@mail01.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <1574.165.206.180.130.1244637362.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> What is the following worth (and are they worth a tinkers dang) Roughly 6 years old, use 4, sat in the shop unused for 2 years. Sanborn, 5hp, single stage, 220v 60 gallon tank, vertical air compressor. Very clean, still bolted to the wood pallet. Owner changed oil on a regular basis. I know little of sanborn, but sure have heard the name a lot. My 25 year old Sears 20 gallon 3hp unit is, well, not keeping up with me, and with my new shop, I'm tired of running hoses between buildings, or hauling the little compressor back and forth. From ddotto at cableone.net Thu Jun 11 19:08:35 2009 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:08:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - air compressor question In-Reply-To: <1574.165.206.180.130.1244637362.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com><20090609000042.708FD1D0CBB@mail04.wcoil.com><0KKY000O45P53W80@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net><20090609022350.D152A1475C3@mail01.wcoil.com> <1574.165.206.180.130.1244637362.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <5A3DC3B80E4A48F9B0823890F6EF93AF@SHOP> For what it's worth; I have had one of these in my shop for close to 25 years. It has never given me a single problem and it gets quite a bit of use. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill at antique-engines.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 6:36 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] OT - air compressor question What is the following worth (and are they worth a tinkers dang) Roughly 6 years old, use 4, sat in the shop unused for 2 years. Sanborn, 5hp, single stage, 220v 60 gallon tank, vertical air compressor. Very clean, still bolted to the wood pallet. Owner changed oil on a regular basis. I know little of sanborn, but sure have heard the name a lot. My 25 year old Sears 20 gallon 3hp unit is, well, not keeping up with me, and with my new shop, I'm tired of running hoses between buildings, or hauling the little compressor back and forth. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4149 (20090611) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 11 17:36:32 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem Message-ID: <300953.24160.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Paul, How are you doing on this? Alan --- On Mon, 6/8/09, S. Work wrote: From: S. Work Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 1:34 AM Inquiry : If you want equal water distribution, at each of the 16 locations , Why are you feeding it from the end ? Your feed points should be about center of the long runs, And 1 cross tube in the center, instead of on both ends. - - - -? | - - - - ???????? | - - - -? | - - - - ??????? ?X - Connect hose here .? ? Add a Union on the cross feed tube for easy removal and storage :-) If ya really want it to Trickle, Put a coarse acquarium airstone at each drill point.? The Ingot shaped 2 Inch long, and 3/4 inch wide should do nicely. P.S. Glad you're back on your feet ! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > Folks I need to apply equal amounts of water at 16 locations around a rectangular square made if 1/2" pvc pipe. (8 locations down each side and none on ends) > > The length of each side of the rectangle is 111" and the ends are 27". > > http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/?action=view?t=diagram.jpg > > One man told me to drill 1/4" holes at each of the 16 locations but I argued with him that the first few 1/4" holes located closest to the input of the water would get more water than the rest and he said it would not.....well they did. The first 4 holes on each side of the PVC closest to the inlet of the water shot out streams of water about 4" long and the last holes, the ones furthest away from the inlet of the water just dribbled water. > > I am only drilling holes down the length of the rectangle and none on the ends. The PVC pipe size is 1/2" and as stated above the length of each side is 111" long. > > I use a 5/8" water hose (it only has a 1/2" bore size) to bring water to the inlet of the rectangle. The bore size of the 1/2" pvc pipe is .485", almost 1/2". > > The water flow rate is 5 gpm per minute coming out of the end of the 5/8 hose. > > Can someone tell me how to plumb the rectangle in order to achieve an equal flow of water at each of the 16 drilled hole outlets. I would assume I will have to start out with small holes closest to the inlet and gradually get bigger towards the end opposite the inlet of the water. I just want the water to dribble out and not shoot out in streams and I need, as close as I can get it, equal amounts coming out at each of the 16 drilled locations. > > At each of these 16 locations there is a tomato plant. I am trying to calculate how long to leave the water on in order to be able to supply 1" of water to each plant as the tomato plants require 1" of water weekly and more during the hot months. > > I will appreciate any and all help on this. > > Thanks, > > Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 11 19:47:11 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:47:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need wiring diagram for Dodge Truck Message-ID: Does anyone have a wiring diagram for a 1997 Dodge Truck 1500 Series? I have tried everywhere to find one and cannot locate one, even the local AutoZone Store could not help me. The local Dodge Dealer Service manager is a friend of mine and said he would get me one but that was a week ago and everytime I talk to him he just tells me he has been too busy to work on it so I have given up on him. The large expensive light switch has burned out twice on my grandson's truck and I want to wire around the darn switch. Right now he has no lights. According to Dodge these switches were a major trouble spot on this model truck. I specifically need just the headlight wiring diagram so I can figure out how to wire around the light switch. Thanks, Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 11 19:54:16 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:54:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem References: <300953.24160.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alan, right now I have put it on a temporary hold. My wife developed some problems and I took her to the doctor and we will know tomorrow when the lab tests come back if she has cancer or not. This was a shock to us and has taken my spirit away for now. I have been manually watering the two beds for now. Also, my grandson who lives with me has a truck that has no lights which is stressing me out as we cannot insure him to drive our vehicles and I need to get this fixed so I do not have to haul him around. Right now my plate is full but I am hoping for the best and maybe things will turn out OK and I can get back to some of my projects. Thanks for checking on this with me. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem Hi Paul, How are you doing on this? Alan --- On Mon, 6/8/09, S. Work wrote: From: S. Work Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 1:34 AM Inquiry : If you want equal water distribution, at each of the 16 locations , Why are you feeding it from the end ? Your feed points should be about center of the long runs, And 1 cross tube in the center, instead of on both ends. - - - - | - - - - | - - - - | - - - - X - Connect hose here . Add a Union on the cross feed tube for easy removal and storage :-) If ya really want it to Trickle, Put a coarse acquarium airstone at each drill point. The Ingot shaped 2 Inch long, and 3/4 inch wide should do nicely. P.S. Glad you're back on your feet ! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > Folks I need to apply equal amounts of water at 16 locations around a > rectangular square made if 1/2" pvc pipe. (8 locations down each side and > none on ends) > > The length of each side of the rectangle is 111" and the ends are 27". > > http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/?action=view?t=diagram.jpg > > One man told me to drill 1/4" holes at each of the 16 locations but I > argued with him that the first few 1/4" holes located closest to the input > of the water would get more water than the rest and he said it would > not.....well they did. The first 4 holes on each side of the PVC closest > to the inlet of the water shot out streams of water about 4" long and the > last holes, the ones furthest away from the inlet of the water just > dribbled water. > > I am only drilling holes down the length of the rectangle and none on the > ends. The PVC pipe size is 1/2" and as stated above the length of each > side is 111" long. > > I use a 5/8" water hose (it only has a 1/2" bore size) to bring water to > the inlet of the rectangle. The bore size of the 1/2" pvc pipe is .485", > almost 1/2". > > The water flow rate is 5 gpm per minute coming out of the end of the 5/8 > hose. > > Can someone tell me how to plumb the rectangle in order to achieve an > equal flow of water at each of the 16 drilled hole outlets. I would assume > I will have to start out with small holes closest to the inlet and > gradually get bigger towards the end opposite the inlet of the water. I > just want the water to dribble out and not shoot out in streams and I > need, as close as I can get it, equal amounts coming out at each of the 16 > drilled locations. > > At each of these 16 locations there is a tomato plant. I am trying to > calculate how long to leave the water on in order to be able to supply 1" > of water to each plant as the tomato plants require 1" of water weekly and > more during the hot months. > > I will appreciate any and all help on this. > > Thanks, > > Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Thu Jun 11 20:59:51 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:59:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need wiring diagram for Dodge Truck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A31D2B7.8060301@telenet.net> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > Does anyone have a wiring diagram for a 1997 Dodge Truck 1500 Series? > I have tried everywhere to find one and cannot locate one, even the > local AutoZone Store could not help me. The local Dodge Dealer > Service manager is a friend of mine and said he would get me one but > that was a week ago and everytime I talk to him he just tells me he > has been too busy to work on it so I have given up on him. > > The large expensive light switch has burned out twice on my > grandson's truck and I want to wire around the darn switch. Right now > he has no lights. According to Dodge these switches were a major > trouble spot on this model truck. > > I specifically need just the headlight wiring diagram so I can figure > out how to wire around the light switch. > > Thanks, > > Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > On the way, Check you mail. -- Steve Williams From falcon at telenet.net Thu Jun 11 21:04:38 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:04:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - air compressor question In-Reply-To: <1574.165.206.180.130.1244637362.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com><20090609000042.708FD1D0CBB@mail04.wcoil.com><0KKY000O45P53W80@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <20090609022350.D152A1475C3@mail01.wcoil.com> <1574.165.206.180.130.1244637362.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <4A31D3D6.2060201@telenet.net> bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > What is the following worth (and are they worth a tinkers dang) > > Roughly 6 years old, use 4, sat in the shop unused for 2 years. > Sanborn, 5hp, single stage, 220v 60 gallon tank, vertical air compressor. > Very clean, still bolted to the wood pallet. Owner changed oil on a > regular basis. > > I know little of sanborn, but sure have heard the name a lot. > My 25 year old Sears 20 gallon 3hp unit is, well, not keeping up with me, > and with my new shop, I'm tired of running hoses between buildings, or > hauling the little compressor back and forth. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Not worth much, Uh where is it I'll be happy to "scrap" it for you... Sanborn makes a good unit. However if this is a home store type unit you would be better off looking at the CFM plate. Your old Sears may actually be putting out more air. -- Steve Williams From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Fri Jun 12 04:03:45 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:03:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4567E474@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> <6f6025160906081314n756805fdrc7385433cc61ac9f@mail.gmail.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4567E474@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <4A323611.5080704@steamengine.com.au> Sounds like Souvlaki to me - go find someplace that makes greek food :) Best, George wrote: > Netherlands: In the Netherlands, shawarma (shoarma) is a popular meal, especially after a night out. Here it is served as pork, chicken, beef or lamb combined with salad and garlic sauce. It is usually served with French Fries (friet or patat) and can be bought from many places, including the local snackbars. It is generally served with pit? bread, which is cut open and the meat is placed inside. This is called Broodje Shoarma (small bread with shoarma) although can be served in larger portions without bread. Dutch Shoarma is not produced as described in the method above - spit roasted, but is pre diced lamb or pork that is then grilled or fried, or a combination of both. > > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Jun 12 06:30:33 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 06:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - air compressor question In-Reply-To: <4A31D3D6.2060201@telenet.net> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com><20090609000042.708FD1D0CBB@mail04.wcoil.com><0KKY000O45P53W80@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <20090609022350.D152A1475C3@mail01.wcoil.com> <1574.165.206.180.130.1244637362.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <4A31D3D6.2060201@telenet.net> Message-ID: <4193.165.206.180.130.1244813433.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> "Black Max" label across the front. Coleman decal on the motor mounting, "Made in U.S.A" on the unit, and on the motor. No CFM plate/decal that I can see! 15 amps at 230v, states 5hp on it. > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >> What is the following worth (and are they worth a tinkers dang) >> >> Roughly 6 years old, use 4, sat in the shop unused for 2 years. >> Sanborn, 5hp, single stage, 220v 60 gallon tank, vertical air >> compressor. >> Very clean, still bolted to the wood pallet. Owner changed oil on a >> regular basis. >> >> I know little of sanborn, but sure have heard the name a lot. >> My 25 year old Sears 20 gallon 3hp unit is, well, not keeping up with >> me, >> and with my new shop, I'm tired of running hoses between buildings, or >> hauling the little compressor back and forth. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > Not worth much, Uh where is it I'll be happy to "scrap" it for you... > > Sanborn makes a good unit. However if this is a home store type unit you > would be better off looking at the CFM plate. Your old Sears may > actually be putting out more air. > > -- > Steve Williams > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Jun 12 07:26:10 2009 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:26:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - air compressor question Message-ID: <20090612.102610.1580.4.jlb94> I have a Sanborn that I paid $400 for about a gazillion years ago. It's 220 V 15 amp 30 gallon upright. Never had any problems. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) ?A dog is the only animal that loves it's owner more than it loves itself." On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:36:02 -0700 (PDT) bill at antique-engines.com writes: > What is the following worth (and are they worth a tinkers dang) > > Roughly 6 years old, use 4, sat in the shop unused for 2 years. > Sanborn, 5hp, single stage, 220v 60 gallon tank, vertical air > compressor. > Very clean, still bolted to the wood pallet. Owner changed oil on a > regular basis. > > I know little of sanborn, but sure have heard the name a lot. > My 25 year old Sears 20 gallon 3hp unit is, well, not keeping up > with me, > and with my new shop, I'm tired of running hoses between buildings, > or > hauling the little compressor back and forth. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ____________________________________________________________ Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIzQcAhc8hoju0EQ2H15ECwCpX9Brm8LdyZa8fnjtJWYNaysQIXcc/ From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Jun 12 07:53:20 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - air compressor question In-Reply-To: <20090612.102610.1580.4.jlb94> References: <20090612.102610.1580.4.jlb94> Message-ID: <4730.165.206.180.130.1244818400.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> >From the answers so far, seems they must be ok, at least reliable. second - I was under the impression that Dave was the only list member who was that old. Bill > I have a Sanborn that I paid $400 for about a gazillion years ago. > It's 220 V 15 amp 30 gallon upright. Never had any problems. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) ?A dog is the only animal that loves it's owner more than > it loves itself." > > > On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:36:02 -0700 (PDT) bill at antique-engines.com writes: >> What is the following worth (and are they worth a tinkers dang) >> >> Roughly 6 years old, use 4, sat in the shop unused for 2 years. >> Sanborn, 5hp, single stage, 220v 60 gallon tank, vertical air >> compressor. >> Very clean, still bolted to the wood pallet. Owner changed oil on a >> regular basis. >> >> I know little of sanborn, but sure have heard the name a lot. >> My 25 year old Sears 20 gallon 3hp unit is, well, not keeping up >> with me, >> and with my new shop, I'm tired of running hoses between buildings, >> or >> hauling the little compressor back and forth. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIzQcAhc8hoju0EQ2H15ECwCpX9Brm8LdyZa8fnjtJWYNaysQIXcc/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Jun 12 10:21:13 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:21:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT In-Reply-To: <4A323611.5080704@steamengine.com.au> References: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> <6f6025160906081314n756805fdrc7385433cc61ac9f@mail.gmail.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4567E474@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <4A323611.5080704@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: We ate Shoarma several times during the EHOWT 09 tour and none of the chef's could tell us what kind of meat we were eating. I did note at the last restaurant there was a pet store in the same building........... The flavor was great and the sauces they serve with it are really good as well, I wish I was back there already! Steve > Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:03:45 +1000 > From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT > > Sounds like Souvlaki to me - go find someplace that makes greek food :) > > Best, George wrote: > > Netherlands: In the Netherlands, shawarma (shoarma) is a popular meal, especially after a night out. Here it is served as pork, chicken, beef or lamb combined with salad and garlic sauce. It is usually served with French Fries (friet or patat) and can be bought from many places, including the local snackbars. It is generally served with pit? bread, which is cut open and the meat is placed inside. This is called Broodje Shoarma (small bread with shoarma) although can be served in larger portions without bread. Dutch Shoarma is not produced as described in the method above - spit roasted, but is pre diced lamb or pork that is then grilled or fried, or a combination of both. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 From George_Best at adp.com Fri Jun 12 10:31:49 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:31:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT In-Reply-To: References: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> <6f6025160906081314n756805fdrc7385433cc61ac9f@mail.gmail.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4567E474@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <4A323611.5080704@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A458C6BF0@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Of course Steve keeps forgetting that he had ribs the last night rather than shoarma. Those little cat ribs he had sure looked cute! ;-) Personally, the dog ribs would have been a better choice ;-) George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:21 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT We ate Shoarma several times during the EHOWT 09 tour and none of the chef's could tell us what kind of meat we were eating. I did note at the last restaurant there was a pet store in the same building........... The flavor was great and the sauces they serve with it are really good as well, I wish I was back there already! Steve > Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:03:45 +1000 > From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT > > Sounds like Souvlaki to me - go find someplace that makes greek food :) > > Best, George wrote: > > Netherlands: In the Netherlands, shawarma (shoarma) is a popular meal, especially after a night out. Here it is served as pork, chicken, beef or lamb combined with salad and garlic sauce. It is usually served with French Fries (friet or patat) and can be bought from many places, including the local snackbars. It is generally served with pit? bread, which is cut open and the meat is placed inside. This is called Broodje Shoarma (small bread with shoarma) although can be served in larger portions without bread. Dutch Shoarma is not produced as described in the method above - spit roasted, but is pre diced lamb or pork that is then grilled or fried, or a combination of both. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 10:51:34 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:51:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: WWII Radio Equipment Wanted Message-ID: <6f6025160906121051h2a026c7cn29030334dd8eb018@mail.gmail.com> The Wings of Liberation Museum in Best, Near Eindhoven are looking for help with obtaining any of the follwing items: Rotary Converters for the T1154 and R1155 Transmitter/receivers WS No 12 - Complete unit (We have a WS No 12 Generator that we will be donating) WS No 33 - Any parts or complete set. Any Avro Lancaster or Spitfire/Hurrican radio equipment or parts (The museum does have some equipment already) Jones Plugs (Number of ways etc not specified) These are the flat-bladed connectors so beloved of the Allies on their radios. Norman T600 Portable Generator. Any leads or assistance would be gratefully received by Jan Hulleman on behalf of the Museum. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Jun 12 13:37:07 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (lcjudge at scrtc.com) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:37:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT In-Reply-To: References: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2><6f6025160906081314n756805fdrc7385433cc61ac9f@mail.gmail.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4567E474@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <4A323611.5080704@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <1998401993-1244839027-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2120576875-@bxe1193.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> We used to have a dog problem in my town until a Korean and Chinese restaurant moved in. They're getting quite rare now (rare as in we don't see stray dogs anymore, not as in how they are cooked cooked). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device provided by Bluegrass Cellular -----Original Message----- From: Steve Royster Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:21:13 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT We ate Shoarma several times during the EHOWT 09 tour and none of the chef's could tell us what kind of meat we were eating. I did note at the last restaurant there was a pet store in the same building........... The flavor was great and the sauces they serve with it are really good as well, I wish I was back there already! Steve > Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:03:45 +1000 > From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT > > Sounds like Souvlaki to me - go find someplace that makes greek food :) > > Best, George wrote: > > Netherlands: In the Netherlands, shawarma (shoarma) is a popular meal, especially after a night out. Here it is served as pork, chicken, beef or lamb combined with salad and garlic sauce. It is usually served with French Fries (friet or patat) and can be bought from many places, including the local snackbars. It is generally served with pit? bread, which is cut open and the meat is placed inside. This is called Broodje Shoarma (small bread with shoarma) although can be served in larger portions without bread. Dutch Shoarma is not produced as described in the method above - spit roasted, but is pre diced lamb or pork that is then grilled or fried, or a combination of both. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Fri Jun 12 19:26:19 2009 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:26:19 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT Message-ID: Heck Tommy I am kinda fond of frog legs myself. NOT KK In a message dated 6/12/2009 4:44:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: We used to have a dog problem in my town until a Korean and Chinese restaurant moved in. They're getting quite rare now (rare as in we don't see stray dogs anymore, not as in how they are cooked cooked). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY **************Shop Dell?s full line of Laptops now starting at $349! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221881320x1201406166/aol?redir=http:%2F%2 Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215218036%3B37264217%3Bz) From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Fri Jun 12 19:29:43 2009 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:29:43 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT Message-ID: Lot of 2 legged things around. Now what the heck is Shoarma? Kk In a message dated 6/12/2009 1:24:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, steve_royster at hotmail.com writes: We ate Shoarma several times during the EHOWT 09 tour and none of the chef's could tell us what kind of meat we were eating. I did note at the last restaurant there was a pet store in the same building........... **************Shop Dell?s full line of Laptops now starting at $349! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221881320x1201406166/aol?redir=http:%2F%2 Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215218036%3B37264217%3Bz) From falcon at telenet.net Fri Jun 12 19:35:32 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:35:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: WWII Radio Equipment Wanted In-Reply-To: <6f6025160906121051h2a026c7cn29030334dd8eb018@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160906121051h2a026c7cn29030334dd8eb018@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A331074.2000802@telenet.net> Listerdiesel wrote: > The Wings of Liberation Museum in Best, Near Eindhoven are looking for > help with obtaining any of the follwing items: > > Rotary Converters for the T1154 and R1155 Transmitter/receivers > WS No 12 - Complete unit (We have a WS No 12 Generator that we will be donating) > WS No 33 - Any parts or complete set. > Any Avro Lancaster or Spitfire/Hurrican radio equipment or parts (The > museum does have some equipment already) > Jones Plugs (Number of ways etc not specified) These are the > flat-bladed connectors so beloved of the Allies on their radios. http://www.cinch.com/products/electronic-communication-systems/jones-plugs-sockets > > Norman T600 Portable Generator. > > Any leads or assistance would be gratefully received by Jan Hulleman > on behalf of the Museum. > > Peter -- Steve W From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jun 12 21:13:15 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT In-Reply-To: References: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> <6f6025160906081314n756805fdrc7385433cc61ac9f@mail.gmail.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4567E474@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <4A323611.5080704@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: MEOW! (Cat - the other white meat...) On Fri, June 12, 2009 1:21 pm, Steve Royster wrote: > > We ate Shoarma several times during the EHOWT 09 tour and none of the chef's could > tell us what kind of meat we were eating. I did note at the last restaurant there > was a pet store in the same building........... > > The flavor was great and the sauces they serve with it are really good as well, I > wish I was back there already! Steve From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Jun 13 07:16:40 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:16:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Uhhh...... Shoarma is the name of the waitress at the restaurant? Dave - Can you tell us for sure. I don't think any of the tour folks are gonna spill the beans..... er .....shoarma. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 09:30 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT > > > Lot of 2 legged things around. Now what the heck > is Shoarma? > Kk From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Jun 13 10:19:07 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:19:07 +0200 Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090613185458.01937238@mail.atech.co.za> At 06:00 PM 13/06/2009, somebody wrote: >Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:03:45 +1000 > > > Sounds like Souvlaki to me - go find someplace that makes greek food :) Not Greek or Souvlakia, Middle Eastern - Turkey, Israel and all those Arab places. In South Africa it is pronounced "sha warma". As Paul mentioned, it is roast meat (usually beef here but probably originally camel or goat). The meat is sliced and stuck onto a revolving spike (skewer) and roasted on an upright electric grill (probably originally an open fire). It is best carved when the outside of the meat is crisp (almost burnt). When carved it comes off in quite small "slices" which are placed (with sauces and veggies) into a sliced open piece of pita bread. Pita bread is similar to bread but made without yeast so it does not rise - like a flat hamburger roll. Delicious if you're sure of the origin of the meat :-) I have seen take away joints that just fry the meat on a hot plate but this is not as nice as the "grilled on a skewer" method. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Jun 13 10:25:06 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:25:06 +0200 Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090613192130.01945fd0@mail.atech.co.za> At 06:00 PM 13/06/2009, you wrote: >From: lcjudge at scrtc.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT > >We used to have a dog problem in my town until a Korean and Chinese >restaurant moved in. They're getting quite rare now (rare as in we don't >see stray dogs anymore, not as in how they are cooked cooked). >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY Hi Tommy, Our neighboring country, Botswana, used to have the same problem with stray dogs (and donkeys) until a Korean syndicate moved in to build a road across the country. When the road was finished so were the stray dogs. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From mickc782 at hotmail.com Sun Jun 14 05:52:42 2009 From: mickc782 at hotmail.com (michael christie) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:22:42 +1030 Subject: [SEL] OT: possible motorcycle pickup from, ventura, california ?? Message-ID: g'day all is there anybody that lives near Ventura, California that could possible pick up an old vintage indian motorcycle? and also put it in a small crate for me?? am looking at bidding on an old bike on ebay and it is located there and the seller wont help with crating the bike. bike is loosly assembled. i will pay for gas money and materials for crate as well. i have a shipping company that can pick up the bike from the front door of anyone that can help, but it needs to be crated, so if anybody could help it would be greatly appreciated. cheers mick _________________________________________________________________ POP access for Hotmail is here! Click here to find out more http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=802246 From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Jun 14 09:42:07 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 09:42:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: possible motorcycle pickup from, Ventura, California ?? Message-ID: <20090614.094208.1848.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Mick. I am about 90 miles away, If you can't find anyone closer I will do it. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:22:42 +1030 michael christie writes: > > g'day all > > is there anybody that lives near Ventura, California that could > possible pick up an old vintage indian motorcycle? and also put it > in a small crate for me?? am looking at bidding on an old bike on > ebay and it is located there and the seller wont help with crating > the bike. bike is loosly assembled. i will pay for gas money and > materials for crate as well. i have a shipping company that can pick > up the bike from the front door of anyone that can help, but it > needs to be crated, so if anybody could help it would be greatly > appreciated. > > cheers > > mick > ____________________________________________________________ Make the right decisions about your inheritance. Click here for more information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFQPHOJQdOiWrEgIBjcdTgoLXMEgOqDR6u1g6CWXqYHhUHiyeMRaw/ From george at irontrader.com Sun Jun 14 16:14:07 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:14:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT References: Message-ID: The waitress that Steve liked wasn't at a shoarma place. She was at the hotel restaurant in Belgium where we stayed on Friday night. Ask Steve about "Zippers" ;-) George :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT > Uhhh...... Shoarma is the name of the waitress at the restaurant? > From enginepaul at gmail.com Sun Jun 14 16:39:40 2009 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:39:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0906141639r23be637bh2d172200bce2d0b7@mail.gmail.com> " it is roast meat (usually beef here but probably originally camel or goat). The meat is sliced and stuck onto a revolving spike (skewer) and roasted on an upright electric grill (probably originally an open fire). " Next time you are in San Francisco, try Tommy's Joint (Geary & Van Ness) - they use buffalo (American Bison) cooked that way. Paul in Northern California From bvandragt at comcast.net Sun Jun 14 20:02:29 2009 From: bvandragt at comcast.net (Brian VanDragt) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:02:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Novo BA-23 engine Message-ID: Hello all, I have been a member of the ATIS tractor list for years, but now I need some small engine help. My grandpa made a homemade tractor in the 40's using a Novo BA-23 single cylinder air cooled engine. I got the tractor back a few years ago without the engine. On Saturday I just picked up a Novo BA-23 engine and it needs a carburetor including the intake manifold elbow, and a magneto. The make and model numbers of the carb and mag would be helpful if anybody knows them. Are there reprints of any manuals for this available? I would also consider buying a complete running BA-23 if anybody has one for sale. It took a long time to find one of these for sale anywhere so I snapped it up Thanks, Brian From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Jun 15 11:17:09 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:17:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes I was so intrigued by the zippers on the future ex wife I ordered ribs instead of Shoarma! Ask Harry how good the ribs were there! By the way I've already forgotten her name! Steve > From: george at irontrader.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:14:07 -0700 > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT > > The waitress that Steve liked wasn't at a shoarma place. She was at the > hotel restaurant in Belgium where we stayed on Friday night. > > Ask Steve about "Zippers" ;-) > > George :-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elden DuRand" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 7:16 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT > > > > Uhhh...... Shoarma is the name of the waitress at the restaurant? > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 15 18:18:24 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Novo BA-23 engine Message-ID: <482943.51067.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does it look like this one? http://www.smokstak.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=4993&c=30 ? I have never seen one of them. Why not find a similar sized Wisconsin engine? Alan --- On Sun, 6/14/09, Brian VanDragt wrote: From: Brian VanDragt Subject: [SEL] Novo BA-23 engine To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 11:02 PM Hello all, I have been a member of the ATIS tractor list for years, but now I need some small engine help.? My grandpa made a homemade tractor in the 40's using a Novo BA-23 single cylinder air cooled engine.? I got the tractor back a few years ago without the engine.? On Saturday I just picked up a Novo BA-23 engine and it needs a carburetor including the intake manifold elbow, and a magneto. The make and model numbers of the carb and mag would be helpful if anybody knows them. Are there reprints of any manuals for this available? I would also consider buying a complete running BA-23 if anybody has one for sale.? It took a long time to find one of these for sale anywhere so I snapped it up Thanks, Brian -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bvandragt at comcast.net Mon Jun 15 19:43:49 2009 From: bvandragt at comcast.net (Brian VanDragt) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:43:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Novo BA-23 engine In-Reply-To: <482943.51067.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes it looks like that one. I want to use it because thats what Grandpa used. Brian -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:18 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo BA-23 engine Does it look like this one? http://www.smokstak.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=4993&c=30 ? I have never seen one of them. Why not find a similar sized Wisconsin engine? Alan --- On Sun, 6/14/09, Brian VanDragt wrote: From: Brian VanDragt Subject: [SEL] Novo BA-23 engine To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 11:02 PM Hello all, I have been a member of the ATIS tractor list for years, but now I need some small engine help.? My grandpa made a homemade tractor in the 40's using a Novo BA-23 single cylinder air cooled engine.? I got the tractor back a few years ago without the engine.? On Saturday I just picked up a Novo BA-23 engine and it needs a carburetor including the intake manifold elbow, and a magneto. The make and model numbers of the carb and mag would be helpful if anybody knows them. Are there reprints of any manuals for this available? I would also consider buying a complete running BA-23 if anybody has one for sale.? It took a long time to find one of these for sale anywhere so I snapped it up Thanks, Brian -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jun 17 16:12:10 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:12:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's Message-ID: Check out this link to some large scale Machining in the 1950's. http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/guides/William_Doxford_and_Sons#The_Manufacturing_Process Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Wed Jun 17 18:53:18 2009 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:53:18 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A399E0E.5010605@optusnet.com.au> R & M Ingold wrote: > Check out this link to some large scale Machining in the 1950's. > http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/guides/William_Doxford_and_Sons#The_Manufacturing_Process > > > > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > === Thank you Reg. That was humbling to us who have only experienced "general" machining/engineering. Not much of that stuff done nowdays in UK, eh? Oh Mi Gawd - what were they thinking of - no safety glasses, hard hats, safety signs and all that stuff? Men's world - I spotted only a couple of lassies (or were they?) in the final picture. Ta mate Jack === From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jun 17 19:11:54 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:11:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's References: <4A399E0E.5010605@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <3E4127D4BDC04FC4927C3088B9B93518@REG> I was totally awed by the crankshaft building, although the whole set of pics made me feel very humble in my small efforts. I cannot imagine me standing on MY lathe cross slides!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's >R & M Ingold wrote: >> Check out this link to some large scale Machining in the 1950's. >> http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/guides/William_Doxford_and_Sons#The_Manufacturing_Process >> >> >> >> >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> > > === > > Thank you Reg. That was humbling to us who have only experienced "general" > machining/engineering. > Not much of that stuff done nowdays in UK, eh? > > > Oh Mi Gawd - what were they thinking of - no safety glasses, hard hats, > safety signs and all that stuff? > > Men's world - I spotted only a couple of lassies (or were they?) in the > final picture. > > Ta mate > Jack > === > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gastzt at aol.com Wed Jun 17 19:13:10 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:13:10 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's Message-ID: In a message dated 6/17/2009 7:34:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes: http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/guides/William_Doxford_and_Sons#The_Manufactur ing_Process WOW---GREAT pics---and thanks! I used to work in a big machine shop many years ago--- this is great! Stan Zettner Pleasanton, Texas, USA old Stovers, etc!!!! **************Dell Days of Deals! June 15-24 - A New Deal Everyday! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222865043x1201494942/aol?redir=http:%2F%2F ad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215692145%3B38015538%3Bh) From lew at lewslittlefarm.com Wed Jun 17 19:23:12 2009 From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:23:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01f001c9efbb$bb6e9880$324bc980$@com> VERY interesting! hard to visualize the massiveness of that stuff. Thanks for the link Lew Best near Waco, TX Please note new email addy lew at lewslittlefarm.com -----Original Message----- Check out this link to some large scale Machining in the 1950's. http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/guides/William_Doxford_and_Sons#The_Manufactur ing_Process Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold _______________________________________________ From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Jun 17 20:09:54 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:09:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's References: Message-ID: <002201c9efc2$40c70b10$83674b47@mikecomp> Extremely enjoyable. ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "SEL List" ; "oldengine list" Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's > Check out this link to some large scale Machining in the 1950's. > http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/guides/William_Doxford_and_Sons#The_Manufacturing_Process > > > > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Jun 17 20:57:51 2009 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:57:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SIAM show (little OT) Message-ID: It was great to see some of our SEL frineds at the SIAM show. I am very glad that you could come. We had a good turn out and pretty good weather for the weekend. We had I nice selection of Hercules products to view as well. Of course we are glad the Glenn Karch coulf come out on Saturday. BTW. did any SEL folks happen to video the spark show on Saturday night? I would very much like to see it. _________________________________________________________________ Bing? brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 23:58:14 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:58:14 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's In-Reply-To: <3E4127D4BDC04FC4927C3088B9B93518@REG> References: <4A399E0E.5010605@optusnet.com.au> <3E4127D4BDC04FC4927C3088B9B93518@REG> Message-ID: <6f6025160906172358y1aebcf28s6c3d08bc8fbba6a0@mail.gmail.com> 2009/6/18 R & M Ingold : > I was totally awed by the crankshaft building, although the whole set of > pics made me feel very humble in my small efforts. > I cannot imagine me standing on MY lathe cross slides!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. The main proposition is that nearly all of the engine was made by the company in-house, with very little bought-in. Flame-cutting the crankshaft webs, marking them all out by hand (no DRO's or CNC in those days!) and doing all of the machining, meant that the value-added content made more sense financially then. The other point is that you can see why the British machine tool industry collapsed, as one Doxfords and their like closed, the huge numbers of machine tools that became available saturated the markets, and of course there were no replacement companies to buy more. Asquith radial drills were in use up until the 1980's or so, they still come up for sale on one of the machine tool flyers we get monthly. Ward capstans were in the pictures, they have gone, and so on. Very nice pictures and a good example of what we used to be very good at in the 1950's. Did you see the Atkinson truck in the first picture? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 00:00:18 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:00:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's In-Reply-To: <6f6025160906172358y1aebcf28s6c3d08bc8fbba6a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A399E0E.5010605@optusnet.com.au> <3E4127D4BDC04FC4927C3088B9B93518@REG> <6f6025160906172358y1aebcf28s6c3d08bc8fbba6a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160906180000h2cf2afeeva09e4b51363bf882@mail.gmail.com> 2009/6/18 Listerdiesel : > industry collapsed, as one Doxfords and their like closed, the huge That should be "once Doxfords..." > Did you see the Atkinson truck in the first picture? I missed the first Black & white picture, the truck is in the first colour picture. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jun 18 00:18:13 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:18:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's References: <4A399E0E.5010605@optusnet.com.au><3E4127D4BDC04FC4927C3088B9B93518@REG><6f6025160906172358y1aebcf28s6c3d08bc8fbba6a0@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160906180000h2cf2afeeva09e4b51363bf882@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I find it very encouraging that these pics, and the skills depicted in them, are appreciated by our groups. Try showing these to the 'Puter kids' of today and the message will sail right over their heads. Looking at some of those pics, the depth of experience and knowledge that is in the brains of the machinists, is almost beyond comprehension. They are totally aware of every false move that could ruin the whole thing. I only wish we could pass this on to those who would benefit. Sadly, the day of the CAD and Puter, has pushed this need to the background. When it IS needed again, it will be lost. On this, The reliance on puters and the like will be our undoing. Already, banking, retail trade etc.etc, are SO vunerable to the loss of power and other failures. The human brain, that started it all, is no longer 'programmed' to take over in a breakdown. So it goes with design and all that goes with it. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's > 2009/6/18 Listerdiesel : > >> industry collapsed, as one Doxfords and their like closed, the huge > > That should be "once Doxfords..." > >> Did you see the Atkinson truck in the first picture? > > I missed the first Black & white picture, the truck is in the first > colour picture. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 00:55:19 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:55:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's In-Reply-To: References: <4A399E0E.5010605@optusnet.com.au> <3E4127D4BDC04FC4927C3088B9B93518@REG> <6f6025160906172358y1aebcf28s6c3d08bc8fbba6a0@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160906180000h2cf2afeeva09e4b51363bf882@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160906180055r1c127230r6df4f9e9f560cd15@mail.gmail.com> 2009/6/18 R & M Ingold : > I find it very encouraging that these pics, and the skills depicted in them, > are appreciated by our groups. When you think that ALL that stuff was marked out by hand and eye, no computers or digital scales, digital calipers whatever, it is remarkable. The only tools they had were rulers, marking-out tools and vernier calipers etc. The complexity of those cylinder liners is something else, only possibly equalled by GM and their two-stroke diesels today and Nordberg/F-M earlier. (For those who are not aware, the Doxford engine was an opposed-piston two-stroke design, similar to the Fairbanks-Morse but hugely bigger) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Jun 17 19:28:31 2009 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:28:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's References: <4A399E0E.5010605@optusnet.com.au> <3E4127D4BDC04FC4927C3088B9B93518@REG> Message-ID: Thanks Reg, I really enjoyed the info. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's I was totally awed by the crankshaft building, although the whole set of pics made me feel very humble in my small efforts. I cannot imagine me standing on MY lathe cross slides!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. 0 From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com Thu Jun 18 01:23:30 2009 From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (rustyiron1) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:23:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] C.F Ronnie Push Rods and Red Wing Marine engine References: Message-ID: <79CCE2B2381A40C6AA75253D1BB96742@Andy> Hello. I'm in need of some help, I'm trying to locate a pair of Push rods to suit a C.F. R&T. Is there any one out there that can help? Also any information on Red Wing Marine engines. I've been in touch with Bill Schaller in the U.S.A. but no luck so far. It was built before 1939,this is all I've been able to find out so far. Any help would be great. Andy..... Sugar country Aust. 4808. From gastzt at aol.com Thu Jun 18 02:00:27 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 05:00:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's Message-ID: Hey Lew-- Can you imagine something that HUGE up in Waco? LOL (or here in Pleasanton) Stan, Pleasanton, Tx **************Dell Days of Deals! June 15-24 - A New Deal Everyday! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222677718x1201465083/aol?redir=http:%2F%2F ad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215692163%3B38015526%3Be) From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Jun 18 18:38:52 2009 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:38:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's References: <4A399E0E.5010605@optusnet.com.au><3E4127D4BDC04FC4927C3088B9B93518@REG> <6f6025160906172358y1aebcf28s6c3d08bc8fbba6a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004401c9f07e$b44005d0$b7d24c0c@D48VHZ61> We still use an Asquith radial drill--I believe the build date was 1948. Sometimes it sits for a few months untouched, but when you need it its ready to go. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's. > > Asquith radial drills were in use up until the 1980's or so, they > still come up for sale on one of the machine tool flyers we get > monthly. > > Peter >/listinfo/sel From kosh at ncweb.com Sat Jun 20 01:38:20 2009 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:38:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Small scale machining... Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> http://www.shorpy.com/node/6328?size=_original Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From marinesurveys at msn.com Sat Jun 20 02:03:11 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 05:03:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Small scale machining... In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> Message-ID: Dave; Thanks for the posting, reminds me of some things when i was a kid, that were in "Popular Mechanics" " Build this at home". Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:38:20 -0400 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > From: kosh at ncweb.com > Subject: [SEL] Small scale machining... > > http://www.shorpy.com/node/6328?size=_original > > > > Dave Merchant > kosh at nesys.com > nesys_com at ameritech.net > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > http://www.nesys.com > http://www.nesys.org > YouTube: SteamCrane > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kosh at ncweb.com Sat Jun 20 02:13:29 2009 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 05:13:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Small scale machining... In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620051254.0c85f2c0@ncweb.com> Reminds me of the Little Rascals movies. Dave Merchant At 05:03 AM 6/20/2009, you wrote: >Dave; > >Thanks for the posting, reminds me of some things when i was a kid, > >that were in "Popular Mechanics" " Build this at home". > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant >3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West >PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:38:20 -0400 > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > From: kosh at ncweb.com > > Subject: [SEL] Small scale machining... > > > > http://www.shorpy.com/node/6328?size=_original > > > > > > > > Dave Merchant > > kosh at nesys.com > > nesys_com at ameritech.net > > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > > > http://www.nesys.com > > http://www.nesys.org > > YouTube: SteamCrane > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Jun 20 02:35:18 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:35:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Small scale machining... References: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> Message-ID: Hey Frank, I am 73 and I can remember my Dad having a lot of back issues of Popular Mechanics in a bookcase in my bedroom.( I was about 8 or 9 then) They were from the early 30s ish. I wandered the pages over the years and, to this day, remember vaguely some of the articles. (And the covers). There were a lot of predictions that came into being many years later. In those days, in the backstreets of London, the chances of ever making things shown in them was a far distant dream. But, I did dream! (Grin). Perhaps that is why I enjoy what I do these days so much. That magazine opened the imagination in a way that seems impossible today, with video games, etc. However, your mail opened the doors of memories long thought forgotten. Thanks. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "frank skinner" To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Small scale machining... > > Dave; > > Thanks for the posting, reminds me of some things when i was a kid, > > that were in "Popular Mechanics" " Build this at home". > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > >> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:38:20 -0400 >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> From: kosh at ncweb.com >> Subject: [SEL] Small scale machining... >> >> http://www.shorpy.com/node/6328?size=_original >> >> >> >> Dave Merchant >> kosh at nesys.com >> nesys_com at ameritech.net >> dmerchant at layerzero.com >> >> http://www.nesys.com >> http://www.nesys.org >> YouTube: SteamCrane >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Sat Jun 20 03:20:02 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:20:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Small scale machining... In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> Message-ID: Hi Reg; Same here & I'm just 64, but my grandfarher was my mentor & could do anything & was born in 1881, self tought & had books on everything one could imagine. Thank god there was no TV or computers back then ;-} I remember making a rope making machine, I guess I was around 12 Y/O or so I showed it to my dad, he said it was great, then said, you know, "rope has been made for a couple thousand years " I really thought I was on to something LOL Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:35:18 +1000 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Small scale machining... > > Hey Frank, I am 73 and I can remember my Dad having a lot of back issues of > Popular Mechanics in a bookcase in my bedroom.( I was about 8 or 9 then) > They were from the early 30s ish. I wandered the pages over the years and, > to this day, remember vaguely some of the articles. (And the covers). There > were a lot of predictions that came into being many years later. In those > days, in the backstreets of London, the chances of ever making things shown > in them was a far distant dream. But, I did dream! (Grin). > Perhaps that is why I enjoy what I do these days so much. > That magazine opened the imagination in a way that seems impossible today, > with video games, etc. > However, your mail opened the doors of memories long thought forgotten. > Thanks. > Reg. > > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "frank skinner" > To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" > Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Small scale machining... > > > > > > Dave; > > > > Thanks for the posting, reminds me of some things when i was a kid, > > > > that were in "Popular Mechanics" " Build this at home". > > > > Franklin S. Skinner > > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:38:20 -0400 > >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> From: kosh at ncweb.com > >> Subject: [SEL] Small scale machining... > >> > >> http://www.shorpy.com/node/6328?size=_original > >> > >> > >> > >> Dave Merchant > >> kosh at nesys.com > >> nesys_com at ameritech.net > >> dmerchant at layerzero.com > >> > >> http://www.nesys.com > >> http://www.nesys.org > >> YouTube: SteamCrane > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 20 17:39:53 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (rustaholic777 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] SIAM show (little OT) Message-ID: <304917.13364.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Andy, It won't look as good on a videa. Make a little trip to the Buckley show in August. They do a spark show by shoveling sawdust into a steam traction engine belted up to the prony brake. They do this just after dark on Thursday, Friday and Saturday. ? Alan --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Andy Glines wrote: From: Andy Glines Subject: [SEL] SIAM show (little OT) To: "stationary engine" Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 11:57 PM It was great to see some of our SEL frineds at the SIAM show.? I am very glad that you could come.? We had a good turn out and pretty good weather for the weekend.? We had I nice selection of Hercules products to view as well.? Of course we are glad the Glenn Karch coulf come out on Saturday.? BTW.? did any SEL folks happen to video the spark show on Saturday night?? I would very much like to see it. From andyglines at hotmail.com Sun Jun 21 20:00:20 2009 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:00:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SIAM show (little OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alan, here is where I admit that I was the one doing the spark show with my Huber steam engine. I didn't get a chance to see how the sparks were flying while tending the fire so I was hoping that somebody has video to share. > > Hey Andy, > It won't look as good on a videa. > Make a little trip to the Buckley show in August. > They do a spark show by shoveling sawdust into a steam traction engine belted up to the prony brake. > They do this just after dark on Thursday, Friday and Saturday. > ? > Alan > _________________________________________________________________ Bing? brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Jun 22 01:13:42 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:13:42 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Doxford Engines Message-ID: <7B8F60E061484D3A96F6C33DC5D41208@your9e74d7efa7> Anyone who is interested have a look at this http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=TNXlyE05Eh8&NR=1 From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Jun 22 06:30:30 2009 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 06:30:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] SIAM show (little OT) References: Message-ID: We used to have a spark show at Vista until the Fire Department made them stop. The method was to belt one of the steamers up to a baker fan and then get a pretty good fire going and the engine working pretty hard. Shut down and put in a couple of scoops of sawdust and wait for a while. Start up again with full throttle and watch a big stream of sparks shoot 30 feet up in the sky. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Glines" To: "stationary engine" Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SIAM show (little OT) Alan, here is where I admit that I was the one doing the spark show with my Huber steam engine. I didn't get a chance to see how the sparks were flying while tending the fire so I was hoping that somebody has video to share. > > Hey Andy, > It won't look as good on a videa. > Make a little trip to the Buckley show in August. > They do a spark show by shoveling sawdust into a steam > traction engine belted up to the prony brake. > They do this just after dark on Thursday, Friday and > Saturday. > ? > Alan > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jun 22 04:57:45 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:57:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Sunshine date Message-ID: Can anyone help with dating a Sundial engine for a fellow collector who contacted me. The details are: Sundial 2HP type B serial number 5831 Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 22 15:47:34 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] SIAM show (little OT) Message-ID: <519846.69430.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cool Andy and I mean it!!! Yes it would be great for you to have a video of your Huber?Steam Traction Engine making sparks. ? Please tell me what it was belted up to. ? With our Prony brake at Buckley we can really put a load on an engine. ? Alan in Michigan ? --- On Sun, 6/21/09, Andy Glines wrote: From: Andy Glines Subject: Re: [SEL] SIAM show (little OT) To: "stationary engine" Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 11:00 PM Alan, here is where I admit that I was the one doing the spark show with my Huber steam engine.? I didn't get a chance to see how the sparks were flying while tending the fire so I was hoping that somebody has video to share. > > Hey Andy, > It won't look as good on a videa. > Make a little trip to the Buckley show in August. > They do a spark show by shoveling sawdust into a steam traction engine belted up to the prony brake. > They do this just after dark on Thursday, Friday and Saturday. > ? > Alan > _________________________________________________________________ Bing?? brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place.???Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon Jun 22 19:50:44 2009 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:50:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Model T Thermoil In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <71EB530C-3B5B-4972-8982-DF29D5EF1094@herculesengines.com> At the Coolspring show last week we got our 5 HP Model T Thermoil running. We had great help from Kirk and Kyle. Here's a video of it running: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIiUWL-N-6M Keith Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon Jun 22 19:58:46 2009 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:58:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rock Crusher at SIAM In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <4B43F3AF-AAE2-4285-B5EC-593BE211ED5B@herculesengines.com> If you remember about 6 or 8 months ago Mike Tucker posted a message saying his Father in Law and neighbor had rescued a New Holland Rock crusher from the scrap yard. Our club purchased it and I retrieved it back in February. Once home one of our SIAM club members adopted it and got it mounted and working, adding a output conveyer. Here are a couple video's of it running at our show last week. Thanks for your help Mike and please thank your Father in Law and his neighbor too. Keith http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMaaHCrXUwY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKo_rshMoVM Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon Jun 22 20:02:05 2009 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:02:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Complete set of Model E Hercules Engines In-Reply-To: <4B43F3AF-AAE2-4285-B5EC-593BE211ED5B@herculesengines.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> <4B43F3AF-AAE2-4285-B5EC-593BE211ED5B@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Here is our set of Model E Hercules engines running at our SIAM Classic Iron show last week. It took a lot of work to get all the bugs out of the engines but we finally got them all running. Keith http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCdZxJ4QzDA > Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Jun 22 20:11:54 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:11:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing Message-ID: <410-22009622331154140@earthlink.net> Took the New Way twin to it's first showing with great sucess. Started right up in the morning and ran until I shut it off that afternoon. Kept chugging away during a rain storm in the afternoon. For the rich oil barren Oyster Boy who keeps asking for pictures, here is one that was posted on Harry's page. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61990 Tim Christoff Basehor KS. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jun 22 20:18:44 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:18:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Model T Thermoil In-Reply-To: <71EB530C-3B5B-4972-8982-DF29D5EF1094@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <3C0AD363F12C4F5F966BC564ABFB6C88@DBTOA000> Keith, Your T Thermoil sure ran nice. I've never had a T and after watching yours run, I think I've got to have one. I really liked that twin as well. I imagine I'll be a long time hunting one of those though! I found a great photo of you and Glenn on the computer last night that I took at Portland about 5 years ago. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Keith Kinney Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 10:51 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Model T Thermoil At the Coolspring show last week we got our 5 HP Model T Thermoil running. We had great help from Kirk and Kyle. Here's a video of it running: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIiUWL-N-6M Keith Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From astfgl at iamnota.org Tue Jun 23 02:44:35 2009 From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:44:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Sunshine date In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A40A403.7000700@iamnota.org> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/EngineDating/Sundial2.htm That page puts it at early 1938, a year older than mine. Cheers, glen. Patrick wrote: > Can anyone help with dating a Sundial engine for a fellow collector who > contacted me. The details are: > Sundial 2HP type B serial number 5831 > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ilifa at internode.on.net Tue Jun 23 03:42:45 2009 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:42:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Sunshine date In-Reply-To: <4A40A403.7000700@iamnota.org> References: <4A40A403.7000700@iamnota.org> Message-ID: <53B6C1B5-DD3A-4BEF-99D8-B429E8365147@internode.on.net> Now, I don't want to be unkind, but the Sundial engine number chart at http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/EngineDating/Sundial2.htm is only a guide and not to be taken too seriously. These are not factory production figures, just someone's estimate. You will notice that there are a lot of years with the same production numbers. This, obviously, would not happen in real life. Even the starting date of 1926 is debatable. It had generally been believed that the Sundial was introduced in 1932. Maybe both dates are wrong. Eric From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Jun 23 03:47:59 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:47:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing References: <410-22009622331154140@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002401c9f3f0$136beaf0$83674b47@mikecomp> Hi Tim: Great picture of my future engine! Love to see a video of it if you have one as well. Can't wait to pick it up at Portland this year! Mike ( the poor,greasy and truly barren) Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "sel" Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 11:11 PM Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing > Took the New Way twin to it's first showing with great sucess. Started > right up in the morning and ran until I shut it off that afternoon. Kept > chugging away during a rain storm in the afternoon. For the rich oil > barren Oyster Boy who keeps asking for pictures, here is one that was > posted on Harry's page. > http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61990 > > > Tim Christoff > Basehor KS. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Jun 23 03:58:29 2009 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:58:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Model T Thermoil In-Reply-To: <71EB530C-3B5B-4972-8982-DF29D5EF1094@herculesengines.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> <71EB530C-3B5B-4972-8982-DF29D5EF1094@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Sounds great Keith! It's a bit different looking than the other Thermoils I've seen. Yours only has the one push rod off to the side of the engine. The others I've seen have two push rods running underneath the head. Is the intake valve atmospheric on yours? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============================= > From: kkinney at herculesengines.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:50:44 -0500 > CC: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Model T Thermoil > > At the Coolspring show last week we got our 5 HP Model T Thermoil > running. We had great help from Kirk and Kyle. Here's a video of it > running: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIiUWL-N-6M > Keith > > > Keith Kinney > kkinney at herculesengines.com > WWW.HerculesEngines.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Bing? brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jun 23 07:31:14 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:31:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Model T Thermoil In-Reply-To: <71EB530C-3B5B-4972-8982-DF29D5EF1094@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Keith: Nice running Thermoil! Thanks for the video. I wish I'd been able to get to Coolsprings (prolly never will) and had my Homebrew Hvid ready in time. In case any of you haven't seen it, here's a video of my just completed "poor man's Thermoil": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IvP-KkyIKY It's running on it's own but I need to do some more mods to the combustion chamber and fuel block to get it the way it should be. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Keith > Kinney > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 09:51 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Model T Thermoil > > > At the Coolspring show last week we got our 5 HP > Model T Thermoil > running. We had great help from Kirk and Kyle. > Here's a video of it > running: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIiUWL-N-6M > Keith > > > Keith Kinney > kkinney at herculesengines.com > WWW.HerculesEngines.com From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Jun 23 08:21:14 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:21:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing In-Reply-To: <410-22009622331154140@earthlink.net> References: <410-22009622331154140@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Tim, that's a great looking engine! Unless you want it to spend the rest of it's life under a blue tarp, DONT let that oil barron Royster get near it! Steve, the good Royster > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:11:54 -0500 > Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing > > Took the New Way twin to it's first showing with great sucess. Started right up in the morning and ran until I shut it off that afternoon. Kept chugging away during a rain storm in the afternoon. For the rich oil barren Oyster Boy who keeps asking for pictures, here is one that was posted on Harry's page. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61990 > > > Tim Christoff > Basehor KS. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Jun 23 09:34:05 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:34:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Model T Thermoil References: Message-ID: <004c01c9f420$6cc85950$83674b47@mikecomp> Great job Elden! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 5 HP Model T Thermoil > Keith: > > Nice running Thermoil! Thanks for the video. > > I wish I'd been able to get to Coolsprings (prolly never will) and had my > Homebrew Hvid ready in time. > > In case any of you haven't seen it, here's a video of my just completed > "poor man's Thermoil": > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IvP-KkyIKY > > It's running on it's own but I need to do some more mods to the combustion > chamber and fuel block to get it the way it should be. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Keith >> Kinney >> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 09:51 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org >> Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Model T Thermoil >> >> >> At the Coolspring show last week we got our 5 HP >> Model T Thermoil >> running. We had great help from Kirk and Kyle. >> Here's a video of it >> running: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIiUWL-N-6M >> Keith >> >> >> Keith Kinney >> kkinney at herculesengines.com >> WWW.HerculesEngines.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gastzt at aol.com Tue Jun 23 09:51:07 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:51:07 EDT Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Model T Thermoil Message-ID: YES--that is a great running T ! Great video---and thanks! I can sit here and listen to it all day! ha Stan Zettner (old Stovers) Pleasanton, Texas **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377052x1201454391/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62) From tchristoff at earthlink.net Tue Jun 23 16:00:26 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:00:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing Message-ID: <410-22009622323026922@earthlink.net> Tarp eh??? No engine of mine will ever live under a Tarp! Deals off Mike!!!! Thanks for the tip Steve, you are the good Royster. Tim Christoff Basehor, KS. > [Original Message] > From: Steve Royster > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 6/23/2009 10:27:58 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > > > Tim, that's a great looking engine! Unless you want it to spend the rest of it's life under a blue tarp, DONT let that oil barron Royster get near it! > > Steve, the good Royster > > > > > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:11:54 -0500 > > Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing > > > > Took the New Way twin to it's first showing with great sucess. Started right up in the morning and ran until I shut it off that afternoon. Kept chugging away during a rain storm in the afternoon. For the rich oil barren Oyster Boy who keeps asking for pictures, here is one that was posted on Harry's page. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61990 > > > > > > Tim Christoff > > Basehor KS. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Jun 23 20:31:55 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:31:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing References: <410-22009622323026922@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001801c9f47c$52e018f0$83674b47@mikecomp> Actually, he is the evil one. He has an International, Foos, and Olds under tarps in the yard. Allmine are in the shed where they belong. Mike, the good dry engine brother ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > Tarp eh??? No engine of mine will ever live under a Tarp! > > Deals off Mike!!!! > > Thanks for the tip Steve, you are the good Royster. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor, KS. > >> [Original Message] >> From: Steve Royster >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 6/23/2009 10:27:58 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing >> >> >> Tim, that's a great looking engine! Unless you want it to spend the rest > of it's life under a blue tarp, DONT let that oil barron Royster get near > it! >> >> Steve, the good Royster >> >> >> >> > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net >> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:11:54 -0500 >> > Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing >> > >> > Took the New Way twin to it's first showing with great sucess. Started > right up in the morning and ran until I shut it off that afternoon. Kept > chugging away during a rain storm in the afternoon. For the rich oil > barren > Oyster Boy who keeps asking for pictures, here is one that was posted on > Harry's page. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61990 >> > >> > >> > Tim Christoff >> > Basehor KS. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that's right for you. >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Wed Jun 24 04:11:22 2009 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:11:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Attention Tod Engine Volunteers Message-ID: <004001c9f4bc$81fc3bb0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Finally the last two pieces of the puzzle have fallen into place. The City of Youngstown has approved our building permit application and we have recieved a sizable grant from the Tod Foundation, clearing the way for construction to begin on the Tod Enginehouse. The construction of the building will be done completely by volunteers, no contractors will be involved. We have about four months to form up and pour eight concrete piers and erect the building columns and trusses before the onset of winter. I think we can do it with sufficient help. If you plan to volunteer some time to help with the construction of the enginehouse building, we will be holding work sessions every Saturday for the rest of the summer and fall. If you can't make it on a Saturday I can accomodate you any other day that you may be available. Our first task is forming up the piers for the south wall of the building. We will start working on that project this upcoming Saturday. 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Houston, TX 77224 Fax (713) 672-7905 . E-mail: pmi at pmi-auction.com Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From tchristoff at earthlink.net Wed Jun 24 19:37:54 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:37:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing Message-ID: <410-22009642523754265@earthlink.net> Well hell Mike, sneak over to your brothers and pick up those 3 deprived engines and maybe we can work out another deal! Tim > [Original Message] > From: Mike Royster > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 6/23/2009 10:31:51 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > > Actually, he is the evil one. He has an International, Foos, and Olds under > tarps in the yard. Allmine are in the shed where they belong. > > Mike, the good dry engine brother > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:00 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > > > > Tarp eh??? No engine of mine will ever live under a Tarp! > > > > Deals off Mike!!!! > > > > Thanks for the tip Steve, you are the good Royster. > > > > Tim Christoff > > Basehor, KS. > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Steve Royster > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Date: 6/23/2009 10:27:58 AM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > >> > >> > >> Tim, that's a great looking engine! Unless you want it to spend the rest > > of it's life under a blue tarp, DONT let that oil barron Royster get near > > it! > >> > >> Steve, the good Royster > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net > >> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:11:54 -0500 > >> > Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing > >> > > >> > Took the New Way twin to it's first showing with great sucess. Started > > right up in the morning and ran until I shut it off that afternoon. Kept > > chugging away during a rain storm in the afternoon. For the rich oil > > barren > > Oyster Boy who keeps asking for pictures, here is one that was posted on > > Harry's page. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61990 > >> > > >> > > >> > Tim Christoff > >> > Basehor KS. > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that's right for you. > >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Jun 24 19:50:49 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:50:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing References: <410-22009642523754265@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <023001c9f53f$bf04d700$83674b47@mikecomp> Now you are talking, he's selling out and moving to Europe anyway, he won't even miss them. Heck, I may even throw in one of Dave's Maytags. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > Well hell Mike, sneak over to your brothers and pick up those 3 deprived > engines and maybe we can work out another deal! > > Tim > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Mike Royster >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 6/23/2009 10:31:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing >> >> Actually, he is the evil one. He has an International, Foos, and Olds > under >> tarps in the yard. Allmine are in the shed where they belong. >> >> Mike, the good dry engine brother >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Christoff" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing >> >> >> > Tarp eh??? No engine of mine will ever live under a Tarp! >> > >> > Deals off Mike!!!! >> > >> > Thanks for the tip Steve, you are the good Royster. >> > >> > Tim Christoff >> > Basehor, KS. >> > >> >> [Original Message] >> >> From: Steve Royster >> >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> Date: 6/23/2009 10:27:58 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing >> >> >> >> >> >> Tim, that's a great looking engine! Unless you want it to spend the > rest >> > of it's life under a blue tarp, DONT let that oil barron Royster get > near >> > it! >> >> >> >> Steve, the good > Royster >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net >> >> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:11:54 -0500 >> >> > Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing >> >> > >> >> > Took the New Way twin to it's first showing with great sucess. > Started >> > right up in the morning and ran until I shut it off that afternoon. >> > Kept >> > chugging away during a rain storm in the afternoon. For the rich oil >> > barren >> > Oyster Boy who keeps asking for pictures, here is one that was posted >> > on >> > Harry's page. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61990 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Tim Christoff >> >> > Basehor KS. >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > SEL mailing list >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> >> Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that's right for you. >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Wed Jun 24 20:13:13 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:13:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing Message-ID: <410-22009642531313656@earthlink.net> Europe eh? Found something (or caught/left something) over there earlier this month? Tim > [Original Message] > From: Mike Royster > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 6/24/2009 9:50:42 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > > Now you are talking, he's selling out and moving to Europe anyway, he won't > even miss them. Heck, I may even throw in one of Dave's Maytags. > > MR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:37 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > > > > Well hell Mike, sneak over to your brothers and pick up those 3 deprived > > engines and maybe we can work out another deal! > > > > Tim > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Mike Royster > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Date: 6/23/2009 10:31:51 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > >> > >> Actually, he is the evil one. He has an International, Foos, and Olds > > under > >> tarps in the yard. Allmine are in the shed where they belong. > >> > >> Mike, the good dry engine brother > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Tim Christoff" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:00 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > >> > >> > >> > Tarp eh??? No engine of mine will ever live under a Tarp! > >> > > >> > Deals off Mike!!!! > >> > > >> > Thanks for the tip Steve, you are the good Royster. > >> > > >> > Tim Christoff > >> > Basehor, KS. > >> > > >> >> [Original Message] > >> >> From: Steve Royster > >> >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> >> Date: 6/23/2009 10:27:58 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Tim, that's a great looking engine! Unless you want it to spend the > > rest > >> > of it's life under a blue tarp, DONT let that oil barron Royster get > > near > >> > it! > >> >> > >> >> Steve, the good > > Royster > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net > >> >> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:11:54 -0500 > >> >> > Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing > >> >> > > >> >> > Took the New Way twin to it's first showing with great sucess. > > Started > >> > right up in the morning and ran until I shut it off that afternoon. > >> > Kept > >> > chugging away during a rain storm in the afternoon. For the rich oil > >> > barren > >> > Oyster Boy who keeps asking for pictures, here is one that was posted > >> > on > >> > Harry's page. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61990 > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Tim Christoff > >> >> > Basehor KS. > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > SEL mailing list > >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> >> Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that's right for you. > >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Jun 24 20:30:34 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:30:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing References: <410-22009642531313656@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <024201c9f545$4d1eea30$83674b47@mikecomp> He has a Hungarian craving so to speak.......... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > Europe eh? Found something (or caught/left something) over there earlier > this month? > > Tim > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Mike Royster >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 6/24/2009 9:50:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing >> >> Now you are talking, he's selling out and moving to Europe anyway, he > won't >> even miss them. Heck, I may even throw in one of Dave's Maytags. >> >> MR >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Christoff" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:37 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing >> >> >> > Well hell Mike, sneak over to your brothers and pick up those 3 >> > deprived >> > engines and maybe we can work out another deal! >> > >> > Tim >> > >> > >> >> [Original Message] >> >> From: Mike Royster >> >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> Date: 6/23/2009 10:31:51 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing >> >> >> >> Actually, he is the evil one. He has an International, Foos, and Olds >> > under >> >> tarps in the yard. Allmine are in the shed where they belong. >> >> >> >> Mike, the good dry engine brother >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Tim Christoff" >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:00 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing >> >> >> >> >> >> > Tarp eh??? No engine of mine will ever live under a Tarp! >> >> > >> >> > Deals off Mike!!!! >> >> > >> >> > Thanks for the tip Steve, you are the good Royster. >> >> > >> >> > Tim Christoff >> >> > Basehor, KS. >> >> > >> >> >> [Original Message] >> >> >> From: Steve Royster >> >> >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> >> Date: 6/23/2009 10:27:58 AM >> >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Tim, that's a great looking engine! Unless you want it to spend the >> > rest >> >> > of it's life under a blue tarp, DONT let that oil barron Royster get >> > near >> >> > it! >> >> >> >> >> >> Steve, the good >> > Royster >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net >> >> >> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> >> > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:11:54 -0500 >> >> >> > Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Took the New Way twin to it's first showing with great sucess. >> > Started >> >> > right up in the morning and ran until I shut it off that afternoon. >> >> > Kept >> >> > chugging away during a rain storm in the afternoon. For the rich oil >> >> > barren >> >> > Oyster Boy who keeps asking for pictures, here is one that was > posted >> >> > on >> >> > Harry's page. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61990 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Tim Christoff >> >> >> > Basehor KS. >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > SEL mailing list >> >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that's right for you. >> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > ---- >> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > SEL mailing list >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jun 25 04:19:36 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:19:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engine parts wanted Message-ID: <670E5555FDE44F37B1FEA6175161ABA9@peterlowe> I have a guy that is after the following if anyone can help. 1. 1" Lunkenheimer carby 2. Hopper for 2 3/4 HP Big Chief 3. Carby for the Barlow D engine. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jun 25 05:59:41 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing In-Reply-To: <410-22009642531313656@earthlink.net> References: <410-22009642531313656@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <278686a9a588ff5bc8cbff5931c731bc.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Tim, Her nickname is "Zippers". But you didn't hear that from me. 8-)) See ya, Anrie On Wed, June 24, 2009 11:13 pm, Tim Christoff wrote: > Europe eh? Found something (or caught/left something) over there earlier > this month? > > Tim > >> [Original Message] >> From: Mike Royster >> >> Now you are talking, he's selling out and moving to Europe anyway, he >> won't even miss them. Heck, I may even throw in one of Dave's Maytags. From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Jun 25 06:51:50 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:51:50 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. Message-ID: <59435.168.215.206.73.1245937910.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> As slow and as lightly loaded as we run most of our engines, many of them, especially externally cooled engines, never get up to proper operating temperatures. This results in inside cylinder condensation and problems with ignitors and spark plugs. Several years ago when restoring the early Alamo I experimented by installing a cooling system bypass loop. Given that the engine has a fixed volume water pump, restricting the water flow is not an option, so the bypass loop allows water to flow thru the system freely, but little water flows thru the water jacket. This proved to work very well on the Alamo, allowing good running temperatures, so I decided to give this a try on the 8HP Famous saw rig. Here are a few photos of the plumbing work I did on Tuesday night. Maybe someone will find this useful. Enjoy, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC USA From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jun 25 07:03:52 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer In-Reply-To: <670E5555FDE44F37B1FEA6175161ABA9@peterlowe> References: <670E5555FDE44F37B1FEA6175161ABA9@peterlowe> Message-ID: <3935.165.206.180.130.1245938632.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Wanting some thoughts and opinions on my trailer situation......... I've got a very heavy-duty flatbed trailer. It's a total of 16', 12' flat with a 4' drop. There's a 5 ton winch on the front, the winch is so heavy we set it in place with a loader. It has long ramps strong enough to handle a tractor. Plain and simple, it's overkill for me. Heavy, high, and even when I haul my F20 or a load of engines, the trailer isn't even thinking about it. It's getting to be too much for me to load my stuff onto a high trailer, and I haul my car more than anything, tractor only on occasion, and when I haul engines, it's only a half-dozen, and even at 500 pounds each, that's no more than my car weighs, so a lower car trailer would do me. I've been thinking about tossing this out on craigslist as a "trade", like trade for a car trailer. something lower and lighter, but with a wood deck so I can haul my engines. Thoughts? doable? I'm thinking someone wants to haul a heavier tractor than I'll ever own, or some real iron and needs a better trailer as far as weight capacity goes. I need to haul my cars, my F20 and a few engines, that's it. This baby EMPTY is too heavy to lift the tongue. It'll handle some real weight. No brakes, however - but am sure they can be added easily... http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-parked-by-garage28.jpg http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrked-by-garage30.jpg http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrip27.jpg From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Jun 25 08:18:28 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:18:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. In-Reply-To: <59435.168.215.206.73.1245937910.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Curt: Good idea! I find that my Jack of All Trades will run for a long time with temperature not exceeding 180 degrees F with only the "Three Stooges" cooling system on it. I don't think that the engine would get more than warm with the original cooling tank, even when working hard. I suppose that when these engines were being used, the common thought was to keep 'em as cool as you could. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > curt at rustyiron.com > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 08:52 AM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. > > > As slow and as lightly loaded as we run most of > our engines, many of them, > especially externally cooled engines, never get > up to proper operating > temperatures. This results in inside cylinder > condensation and problems > with ignitors and spark plugs. Several years ago > when restoring the early > Alamo I experimented by installing a cooling > system bypass loop. Given > that the engine has a fixed volume water pump, > restricting the water flow > is not an option, so the bypass loop allows water > to flow thru the system > freely, but little water flows thru the water > jacket. This proved to work > very well on the Alamo, allowing good running > temperatures, so I decided > to give this a try on the 8HP Famous saw rig. > Here are a few photos of the > plumbing work I did on Tuesday night. Maybe > someone will find this useful. > Enjoy, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC USA From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Jun 25 08:11:10 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:11:10 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer In-Reply-To: <3935.165.206.180.130.1245938632.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <670E5555FDE44F37B1FEA6175161ABA9@peterlowe> <3935.165.206.180.130.1245938632.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <59298.168.215.206.73.1245942670.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Bill, Have you considered replacing the house trailer axles with new torsion axles? This would bring the trailer height down considerably and get you the brakes you need on both axles. Looks like you already have a very reasonable frame and deck on the existing trailer. Curt Holland > Wanting some thoughts and opinions on my trailer situation......... > I've got a very heavy-duty flatbed trailer. It's a total of 16', 12' flat > with a 4' drop. > There's a 5 ton winch on the front, the winch is so heavy we set it in > place with a loader. > It has long ramps strong enough to handle a tractor. > Plain and simple, it's overkill for me. Heavy, high, and even when I haul > my F20 or a load of engines, the trailer isn't even thinking about it. > > It's getting to be too much for me to load my stuff onto a high trailer, > and I haul my car more than anything, tractor only on occasion, and when I > haul engines, it's only a half-dozen, and even at 500 pounds each, that's > no more than my car weighs, so a lower car trailer would do me. > > I've been thinking about tossing this out on craigslist as a "trade", like > trade for a car trailer. something lower and lighter, but with a wood deck > so I can haul my engines. > > Thoughts? doable? > I'm thinking someone wants to haul a heavier tractor than I'll ever own, > or some real iron and needs a better trailer as far as weight capacity > goes. > I need to haul my cars, my F20 and a few engines, that's it. > This baby EMPTY is too heavy to lift the tongue. It'll handle some real > weight. > No brakes, however - but am sure they can be added easily... > > http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-parked-by-garage28.jpg > > http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrked-by-garage30.jpg > > http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrip27.jpg > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From langer5 at sympatico.ca Thu Jun 25 08:23:32 2009 From: langer5 at sympatico.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:23:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer References: <670E5555FDE44F37B1FEA6175161ABA9@peterlowe><3935.165.206.180.130.1245938632.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <59298.168.215.206.73.1245942670.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Bill - could you tell me the capacity of the house trailer axles? Are they 6000# each. Too bad you didn't live closer I'd buy those axles from you. My son wants to build a boat trailer capable of carrying a 9,000 # boat. Larry Anger 163926 Brownsville Rd. R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario Canada N4G 4G8 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer > Bill, > Have you considered replacing the house trailer axles with new torsion > axles? This would bring the trailer height down considerably and get you > the brakes you need on both axles. Looks like you already have a very > reasonable frame and deck on the existing trailer. > Curt Holland > > >> Wanting some thoughts and opinions on my trailer situation......... >> I've got a very heavy-duty flatbed trailer. It's a total of 16', 12' flat >> with a 4' drop. >> There's a 5 ton winch on the front, the winch is so heavy we set it in >> place with a loader. >> It has long ramps strong enough to handle a tractor. >> Plain and simple, it's overkill for me. Heavy, high, and even when I haul >> my F20 or a load of engines, the trailer isn't even thinking about it. >> >> It's getting to be too much for me to load my stuff onto a high trailer, >> and I haul my car more than anything, tractor only on occasion, and when >> I >> haul engines, it's only a half-dozen, and even at 500 pounds each, that's >> no more than my car weighs, so a lower car trailer would do me. >> >> I've been thinking about tossing this out on craigslist as a "trade", >> like >> trade for a car trailer. something lower and lighter, but with a wood >> deck >> so I can haul my engines. >> >> Thoughts? doable? >> I'm thinking someone wants to haul a heavier tractor than I'll ever own, >> or some real iron and needs a better trailer as far as weight capacity >> goes. >> I need to haul my cars, my F20 and a few engines, that's it. >> This baby EMPTY is too heavy to lift the tongue. It'll handle some real >> weight. >> No brakes, however - but am sure they can be added easily... >> >> http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-parked-by-garage28.jpg >> >> http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrked-by-garage30.jpg >> >> http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrip27.jpg >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jun 25 09:37:32 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:37:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer In-Reply-To: <59298.168.215.206.73.1245942670.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: I'd rather not get into a rebuild project.... there's more money involved buying brand new parts and I'm not really setup to handle the HEAVY frame. I'm afraid I'd spend the same amount or more "retrofitting" it with what I need as opposed to some sort of trade. Sort of like - is it cheaper to build a house yourself, or buy a 5 month old house? I'd rather make the whole deal much lighter. Yeah, different axles would lower it some.... but not a whole lot. Those are pretty stout I-beams it's made out of - pretty tall. I plan on better photos this afternoon showing the whole under-side. She's stout and heavy. I hauled an Eagle station wagon from the east part of PA to Iowa a couple years back and I don't think that 4x4 car even lowered the bed on the springs. And when you tighten chains or straps, there's no flexing of the trailer - they are tight and stay that way forever. Even over bumps. The problem was - going out there with the trailer empty - it was so heavy I had trouble getting there empty. I don't know the axle ratings, not sure how to find out. I got it from an equipment "scalper". He hauled farm equipment on it and said at one time, he stacked plows on it to the legal height limit. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:11 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer Bill, Have you considered replacing the house trailer axles with new torsion axles? This would bring the trailer height down considerably and get you the brakes you need on both axles. Looks like you already have a very reasonable frame and deck on the existing trailer. Curt Holland > Wanting some thoughts and opinions on my trailer situation......... > I've got a very heavy-duty flatbed trailer. It's a total of 16', 12' flat > with a 4' drop. > There's a 5 ton winch on the front, the winch is so heavy we set it in > place with a loader. > It has long ramps strong enough to handle a tractor. > Plain and simple, it's overkill for me. Heavy, high, and even when I haul > my F20 or a load of engines, the trailer isn't even thinking about it. > > It's getting to be too much for me to load my stuff onto a high trailer, > and I haul my car more than anything, tractor only on occasion, and when I > haul engines, it's only a half-dozen, and even at 500 pounds each, that's > no more than my car weighs, so a lower car trailer would do me. > > I've been thinking about tossing this out on craigslist as a "trade", like > trade for a car trailer. something lower and lighter, but with a wood deck > so I can haul my engines. > > Thoughts? doable? > I'm thinking someone wants to haul a heavier tractor than I'll ever own, > or some real iron and needs a better trailer as far as weight capacity > goes. > I need to haul my cars, my F20 and a few engines, that's it. > This baby EMPTY is too heavy to lift the tongue. It'll handle some real > weight. > No brakes, however - but am sure they can be added easily... > > http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-parked-by-garage28.jpg > > http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrked-by-garage30.jp g > > http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrip27.jpg > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jun 25 12:25:20 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill, I had looked into refurbishing my utility trailer engine hauler by removing the mobile home axle and replacing it with one or two modern torsion axles. I concluded it wasn't worth the effort and bought a Big Tex 7000 lb 18-foot car hauler trailer. http://www.bigtextrailers.com/ http://www.bigtextrailers.com/trailers/70ch.html I'm delighted with it. You should look into one; they're really well built. See ya, Arnie On Thu, June 25, 2009 12:37 pm, Bill Dickerson wrote: > I'd rather not get into a rebuild project.... there's more money involved > buying brand new parts and I'm not really setup to handle the HEAVY frame. > I'm afraid I'd spend the same amount or more "retrofitting" it with what I > need as opposed to some sort of trade. From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jun 25 12:24:46 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:24:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Fairbanks Morse spec plates Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090625202140.01e171f0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys 'n Gals, "Stuff" eventually happens if you wait long enough. I've just had my first "Etched Brass Spec. Plate" order go sour on me. I made a batch of 10 plates for "Fairbanks Morse Type N" engines but somewhere along the line (no names-no pack drill-no blame to anyone) the sizes given to me got screwed up. (These plates may also be applicable for other Fairbanks M engines manufactured between 1895 and 1909 - see the picture). Now, I'm not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes - they are slightly undersize (as I've since discovered) and, as the original plates had the holes drilled very close to the edge of the plate this will cause problem with "hole centres" . If you have a restored engine (with these holes left open) then these plates are not for you. If you, on the other hand, are restoring an engine, and are prepared to fill the existing holes and drill new holes then these plates will work for you. The "undersize" is small enough to not be "visually" noticeable on an engine. NOTE. On my "plates" webpage, I specifically mention that these brass plates were probably fixed in place by hand and variances could occur and that is the reason that I do NOT drill the holes in plates. Anyway, "long story short". There are 10 of these plates in the USA at the moment and a mutual (list) friend has agreed to place them on eBay for me with a "Buy it now" price. I just thought that I should first offer them to the members of our lists - if you feel that you could use them then make an offer - The original price of these plates (as listed on my webpage) was US$ 35.00 each but I will consider any offers before they go on eBay. Have look and write to me if you want to make an offer. You can see a picture (with sizes) here: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jun 25 14:20:26 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:20:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer In-Reply-To: <59298.168.215.206.73.1245942670.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <110CFB0D0B24487ABB88DAF14EAE8ED6@l2800> I just realized - I can't lower the trailer, the bed and frame are barely above the tires anyway. There's only a few inches clearance. This is a bed over wheel design. Example - raising the axles 3" in comparison to the frame would mean the trailer drops onto the tires.... Smaller wheels/tires would help too, but it's still bed over wheels, so will never be as low as I want. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:11 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer Bill, Have you considered replacing the house trailer axles with new torsion axles? This would bring the trailer height down considerably and get you the brakes you need on both axles. Looks like you already have a very reasonable frame and deck on the existing trailer. Curt Holland > Wanting some thoughts and opinions on my trailer situation......... > I've got a very heavy-duty flatbed trailer. It's a total of 16', 12' flat > with a 4' drop. > There's a 5 ton winch on the front, the winch is so heavy we set it in > place with a loader. > It has long ramps strong enough to handle a tractor. > Plain and simple, it's overkill for me. Heavy, high, and even when I haul > my F20 or a load of engines, the trailer isn't even thinking about it. > > It's getting to be too much for me to load my stuff onto a high trailer, > and I haul my car more than anything, tractor only on occasion, and when I > haul engines, it's only a half-dozen, and even at 500 pounds each, that's > no more than my car weighs, so a lower car trailer would do me. > > I've been thinking about tossing this out on craigslist as a "trade", like > trade for a car trailer. something lower and lighter, but with a wood deck > so I can haul my engines. > > Thoughts? doable? > I'm thinking someone wants to haul a heavier tractor than I'll ever own, > or some real iron and needs a better trailer as far as weight capacity > goes. > I need to haul my cars, my F20 and a few engines, that's it. > This baby EMPTY is too heavy to lift the tongue. It'll handle some real > weight. > No brakes, however - but am sure they can be added easily... > > http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-parked-by-garage28.jpg > > http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrked-by-garage30.jp g > > http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrip27.jpg > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Jun 25 14:21:12 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:21:12 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. Message-ID: In a message dated 6/25/2009 9:58:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, curt at rustyiron.com writes: so I decided to give this a try on the 8HP Famous saw rig. Curt, My 1914 Famous, 6hp, screen cooled, gear water pump engine has a factory restrictor water flow system on it. It comes after the water pump, restricts the amount of water going to the jacket and the excess goes directly back into the water tank via a pipe going into the large hole in the tank sheet metal about half way up. You control the flow by a valve. All of this is at the back of the engine near the pump and tank. Restricting the water to the jacket makes it heat up good, comes down the screen hot and heats up the rest of the water in the tank. On cold days, there is a sheet metal cover over one side of the screen restricting the air flow thru it. I think on real cold days, two covers were used, one on either side. I have my engine apart right now, but hope to have it together in a few weeks and will send you some photos. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Shop Popular Dell Laptops now starting at $349! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222031056x1201446063/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.dou bleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215910283%3B38350812%3Ba) From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jun 25 14:22:51 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:22:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arnie - see my latest - I realized that I can't really drop it since the bed and frame sit over the wheels/tires! Making the axle closer to the frame means the bed hits the tires....... I suspect that since this thing is built so heave and has such capacity, I could probably get enough out of it to come really close to a very nice smaller/lighter trailer. I agree, it would take too much effort and engineering. Thanks for the link! Good idea to see what's out there. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:25 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer Bill, I had looked into refurbishing my utility trailer engine hauler by removing the mobile home axle and replacing it with one or two modern torsion axles. I concluded it wasn't worth the effort and bought a Big Tex 7000 lb 18-foot car hauler trailer. http://www.bigtextrailers.com/ http://www.bigtextrailers.com/trailers/70ch.html I'm delighted with it. You should look into one; they're really well built. See ya, Arnie On Thu, June 25, 2009 12:37 pm, Bill Dickerson wrote: > I'd rather not get into a rebuild project.... there's more money involved > buying brand new parts and I'm not really setup to handle the HEAVY frame. > I'm afraid I'd spend the same amount or more "retrofitting" it with what I > need as opposed to some sort of trade. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Jun 25 14:55:05 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:55:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. References: <59435.168.215.206.73.1245937910.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <003601c9f5df$9946dcc0$83674b47@mikecomp> looks like a good idea curtis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:51 AM Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. > As slow and as lightly loaded as we run most of our engines, many of them, > especially externally cooled engines, never get up to proper operating > temperatures. This results in inside cylinder condensation and problems > with ignitors and spark plugs. Several years ago when restoring the early > Alamo I experimented by installing a cooling system bypass loop. Given > that the engine has a fixed volume water pump, restricting the water flow > is not an option, so the bypass loop allows water to flow thru the system > freely, but little water flows thru the water jacket. This proved to work > very well on the Alamo, allowing good running temperatures, so I decided > to give this a try on the 8HP Famous saw rig. Here are a few photos of the > plumbing work I did on Tuesday night. Maybe someone will find this useful. > Enjoy, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC USA > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Thu Jun 25 16:06:35 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:06:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. In-Reply-To: <59435.168.215.206.73.1245937910.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <59435.168.215.206.73.1245937910.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, I just sent you a picture (off list) of the valve (I believe factory) on the 15 HP T/G IHC I used to own. It worked well to control the water flow and thus the engine temperature. A similar set up is on my 11 HP Austral. What am I missing in my understanding as to why a simple valve anywhere in the system would not control the water flow and thus the cooling of your 8 HP? Dave PS, Will try to send the picture of the 15 HP to slick so that others can see it. PPS, Those not on both lists will wonder why in the hell it shows up on SLICK! On Jun 25, 2009, at 9:51 AM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote: > As slow and as lightly loaded as we run most of our engines, many of > them, > especially externally cooled engines, never get up to proper operating > temperatures. This results in inside cylinder condensation and > problems > with ignitors and spark plugs. Several years ago when restoring the > early > Alamo I experimented by installing a cooling system bypass loop. Given > that the engine has a fixed volume water pump, restricting the water > flow > is not an option, so the bypass loop allows water to flow thru the > system > freely, but little water flows thru the water jacket. This proved to > work > very well on the Alamo, allowing good running temperatures, so I > decided > to give this a try on the 8HP Famous saw rig. Here are a few photos > of the > plumbing work I did on Tuesday night. Maybe someone will find this > useful. > Enjoy, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC USA > > > From james.kangas at timken.com Thu Jun 25 16:36:35 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:36:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. References: Message-ID: I'll bite,what's a "Three Stooges" cooling system? Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Thu 6/25/2009 11:18 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. Curt: Good idea! I find that my Jack of All Trades will run for a long time with temperature not exceeding 180 degrees F with only the "Three Stooges" cooling system on it. I don't think that the engine would get more than warm with the original cooling tank, even when working hard. I suppose that when these engines were being used, the common thought was to keep 'em as cool as you could. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > curt at rustyiron.com > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 08:52 AM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. > > > As slow and as lightly loaded as we run most of > our engines, many of them, > especially externally cooled engines, never get > up to proper operating > temperatures. This results in inside cylinder > condensation and problems > with ignitors and spark plugs. Several years ago > when restoring the early > Alamo I experimented by installing a cooling > system bypass loop. Given > that the engine has a fixed volume water pump, > restricting the water flow > is not an option, so the bypass loop allows water > to flow thru the system > freely, but little water flows thru the water > jacket. This proved to work > very well on the Alamo, allowing good running > temperatures, so I decided > to give this a try on the 8HP Famous saw rig. > Here are a few photos of the > plumbing work I did on Tuesday night. Maybe > someone will find this useful. > Enjoy, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From riga_fire at yahoo.com Thu Jun 25 17:22:19 2009 From: riga_fire at yahoo.com (Paul Russell) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <411488.34824.qm@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is a guy that lives not too far from me that has a tandem axel flat bed with the short railing around it that is all made out of aluminum. Aluminum ramp on the back that folds up.?Very nice and good looking trailer. If interested I can get the manufacturs name to you. ________________________________ From: Bill Dickerson To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:22:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer Arnie - see my latest - I realized that I can't really drop it since the bed and frame sit over the wheels/tires! Making the axle closer to the frame means the bed hits the tires....... I suspect that since this thing is built so heave and has such capacity, I could probably get enough out of it to come really close to a very nice smaller/lighter trailer. I agree, it would take too much effort and engineering. Thanks for the link! Good idea to see what's out there. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:25 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer Bill, I had looked into refurbishing my utility trailer engine hauler by removing the mobile home axle and replacing it with one or two modern torsion axles. I concluded it wasn't worth the effort and bought a Big Tex 7000 lb 18-foot car hauler trailer.? http://www.bigtextrailers.com/ http://www.bigtextrailers.com/trailers/70ch.html I'm delighted with it.? You should look into one; they're really well built. See ya,? Arnie On Thu, June 25, 2009 12:37 pm, Bill Dickerson wrote: > I'd rather not get into a rebuild project.... there's more money involved > buying brand new parts and I'm not really setup to handle the HEAVY frame. > I'm afraid I'd spend the same amount or more "retrofitting" it with what I > need as opposed to some sort of trade. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Thu Jun 25 18:08:30 2009 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:08:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090625210830.XCRXG.874437.root@mp13> ---- David Rotigel wrote: >. What am I missing in my understanding as to why a > simple valve anywhere in the system would not control the water flow > and thus the cooling of your 8 HP? > Dave Dave, with a centrifugal pump you can restrict it anywhere in the system. With a positive displacement pump, gear or piston, you can't restrict the discharge side without causing serious pressure increase and possibly damage. You can restrict the inlet side without causing harm. J.B. Castagnos From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jun 25 20:42:17 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:42:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here's some photos of my current trailer. It's a 5 ton winch (as opposed to a wench) http://theamcpages.com/images/flatbed/ I'm hoping to find someone who would trade or something, but may end up going through a dealer, I suppose, or selling then buying. All new wheel bearings and tires in 2005. Took it to Reading PA in 07 to pick up my Eagle. Follows really nicely. Hellish heavy equalizer, too Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:25 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer Bill, I had looked into refurbishing my utility trailer engine hauler by removing the mobile home axle and replacing it with one or two modern torsion axles. I concluded it wasn't worth the effort and bought a Big Tex 7000 lb 18-foot car hauler trailer. http://www.bigtextrailers.com/ http://www.bigtextrailers.com/trailers/70ch.html I'm delighted with it. You should look into one; they're really well built. See ya, Arnie On Thu, June 25, 2009 12:37 pm, Bill Dickerson wrote: > I'd rather not get into a rebuild project.... there's more money involved > buying brand new parts and I'm not really setup to handle the HEAVY frame. > I'm afraid I'd spend the same amount or more "retrofitting" it with what I > need as opposed to some sort of trade. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Fri Jun 26 03:21:04 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:21:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill; Thats a heavy trailer for certain, & a great { Bebe Wench ;-} }} I've actually got a multi-disc clutch for it, could hook a "Hit & Miss" engine to it, save the back ;-} Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: bill at antique-engines.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:42:17 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer > > Here's some photos of my current trailer. It's a 5 ton winch (as opposed to > a wench) > > http://theamcpages.com/images/flatbed/ > > I'm hoping to find someone who would trade or something, but may end up > going through a dealer, I suppose, or selling then buying. > > All new wheel bearings and tires in 2005. > Took it to Reading PA in 07 to pick up my Eagle. Follows really nicely. > Hellish heavy equalizer, too > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:25 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer > > Bill, > > I had looked into refurbishing my utility trailer engine hauler by removing > the > mobile home axle and replacing it with one or two modern torsion axles. > > I concluded it wasn't worth the effort and bought a Big Tex 7000 lb 18-foot > car > hauler trailer. http://www.bigtextrailers.com/ > http://www.bigtextrailers.com/trailers/70ch.html > > I'm delighted with it. You should look into one; they're really well built. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, June 25, 2009 12:37 pm, Bill Dickerson wrote: > > I'd rather not get into a rebuild project.... there's more money involved > > buying brand new parts and I'm not really setup to handle the HEAVY frame. > > I'm afraid I'd spend the same amount or more "retrofitting" it with what I > > need as opposed to some sort of trade. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at rustyiron.com Fri Jun 26 09:09:30 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:09:30 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59421.168.215.206.73.1246032570.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Tom, This is interesting. As I recall my engine is 1909, so somewhere in the 5 years after the temperature issue was addressed. Dave, what year was your TG engine? Curt > > In a message dated 6/25/2009 9:58:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > curt at rustyiron.com writes: > > so I decided > to give this a try on the 8HP Famous saw rig. > > > Curt, > > My 1914 Famous, 6hp, screen cooled, gear water pump engine has a factory > restrictor water flow system on it. It comes after the water pump, > restricts > the amount of water going to the jacket and the excess goes directly back > into the water tank via a pipe going into the large hole in the tank sheet > metal about half way up. You control the flow by a valve. All of this is > at > the back of the engine near the pump and tank. Restricting the water to > the jacket makes it heat up good, comes down the screen hot and heats up > the > rest of the water in the tank. On cold days, there is a sheet metal > cover > over one side of the screen restricting the air flow thru it. I think on > real cold days, two covers were used, one on either side. I have my > engine > apart right now, but hope to have it together in a few weeks and will > send > you some photos. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > > **************Shop Popular Dell Laptops now starting at $349! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222031056x1201446063/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.dou > bleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215910283%3B38350812%3Ba) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Fri Jun 26 09:37:36 2009 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:37:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Attention Tommy Stojanov References: <004001c9f4bc$81fc3bb0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <004701c9f67c$69ed5970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Tommy, Please contact me offlist. rick at todengine.org Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Foundation "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org From rotigel at me.com Fri Jun 26 12:46:38 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:46:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. In-Reply-To: <59421.168.215.206.73.1246032570.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <59421.168.215.206.73.1246032570.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, It was not an early one. 1916 as I recall. The pump was/is a piston outfit. Dave On Jun 26, 2009, at 12:09 PM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote: > Tom, > This is interesting. As I recall my engine is 1909, so somewhere in > the 5 > years after the temperature issue was addressed. Dave, what year was > your > TG engine? > Curt > >> >> In a message dated 6/25/2009 9:58:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >> curt at rustyiron.com writes: >> >> so I decided >> to give this a try on the 8HP Famous saw rig. >> >> >> Curt, >> >> My 1914 Famous, 6hp, screen cooled, gear water pump engine has a >> factory >> restrictor water flow system on it. It comes after the water pump, >> restricts >> the amount of water going to the jacket and the excess goes >> directly back >> into the water tank via a pipe going into the large hole in the >> tank sheet >> metal about half way up. You control the flow by a valve. All of >> this is >> at >> the back of the engine near the pump and tank. Restricting the >> water to >> the jacket makes it heat up good, comes down the screen hot and >> heats up >> the >> rest of the water in the tank. On cold days, there is a sheet metal >> cover >> over one side of the screen restricting the air flow thru it. I >> think on >> real cold days, two covers were used, one on either side. I have my >> engine >> apart right now, but hope to have it together in a few weeks and will >> send >> you some photos. >> >> Tom Schmutz >> Concord, Va. >> germoamer at AOL.com >> >> **************Shop Popular Dell Laptops now starting at $349! >> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222031056x1201446063/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.dou >> bleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215910283%3B38350812%3Ba) >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Jun 26 15:09:47 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:09:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] Attention Tommy Stojanov Message-ID: In a message dated 6/26/2009 1:09:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com writes: Tommy, Please contact me offlist. Rick, Try this to reach Tommy: _dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com_ (mailto:dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com) Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Stay connected and tighten your budget with a great mobile device for under $20. Take a Peek! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100122638x1222405996x1201457362/aol?redir=http://www.getpeek.com/aol) From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Jun 26 16:42:46 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:42:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim: Go to my webpage (below), then go to the Fairbanks-Morse Jack of All Trades page and scroll down to the pics of it running. The "temporary" cooling system that's still on there is what I call the "Three Stooges" cooling system, after one of their movies where they were plumbers and the result of their efforts at the trade was not a pretty thing to see. :-) Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 06:37 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. > > > I'll bite,what's a "Three Stooges" cooling system? > Jim K From james.kangas at timken.com Fri Jun 26 16:34:42 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:34:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. References: Message-ID: Thank you Elden.I'll check it out when I get home from work.I know which episode you are talking about too. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Fri 6/26/2009 7:42 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. Jim: Go to my webpage (below), then go to the Fairbanks-Morse Jack of All Trades page and scroll down to the pics of it running. The "temporary" cooling system that's still on there is what I call the "Three Stooges" cooling system, after one of their movies where they were plumbers and the result of their efforts at the trade was not a pretty thing to see. :-) Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 06:37 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. > > > I'll bite,what's a "Three Stooges" cooling system? > Jim K _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From rdi at rochester.rr.com Fri Jun 26 17:32:24 2009 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:32:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. Message-ID: "Kangas, James G." writes: > I'll bite,what's a "Three Stooges" cooling system? > Jim K. See "A Plumbing We Will Go", a short subject film by the Three Stooges. A still photo giving you an idea of what we're talking about is on the web at http://www.dvdinmypants.com/reviews/O-V/images/three_stooges3_2.jpg :-) -Rick I. From james.kangas at timken.com Fri Jun 26 17:43:21 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:43:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. References: Message-ID: Thanks Rick for the link. I saw that episode recently as there's a T.V. channel I get that runs the Three Stooges. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Rick I. Sent: Fri 6/26/2009 8:32 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. "Kangas, James G." writes: > I'll bite,what's a "Three Stooges" cooling system? > Jim K. See "A Plumbing We Will Go", a short subject film by the Three Stooges. A still photo giving you an idea of what we're talking about is on the web at http://www.dvdinmypants.com/reviews/O-V/images/three_stooges3_2.jpg :-) -Rick I. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Jun 26 19:18:59 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:18:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick: By George! I think you've got it! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Rick I. > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 07:32 PM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. > > > "Kangas, James G." writes: > > I'll bite,what's a "Three Stooges" cooling system? > > Jim K. > > See "A Plumbing We Will Go", a short subject film > by the Three Stooges. > A still photo giving you an idea of what we're > talking about is on the web > at > http://www.dvdinmypants.com/reviews/O-V/images/three_stooges3_2.jpg :-) From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Jun 26 19:09:46 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:09:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing Message-ID: <410-2200966272946593@earthlink.net> And how would one find this Zippers lady Arnie? Perhaps a place that has a reddish colored light bulb in the window? Tim > [Original Message] > From: Arnie Fero > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 6/25/2009 7:44:07 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > > Hey Tim, > > Her nickname is "Zippers". But you didn't hear that from me. 8-)) > > See ya, Anrie > > On Wed, June 24, 2009 11:13 pm, Tim Christoff wrote: > > Europe eh? Found something (or caught/left something) over there earlier > > this month? > > > > Tim > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Mike Royster > >> > >> Now you are talking, he's selling out and moving to Europe anyway, he > >> won't even miss them. Heck, I may even throw in one of Dave's Maytags. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Sat Jun 27 03:57:44 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:57:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gib Key removal Saga , Petter AV2-M Message-ID: Good news folks; My Stuck Gib Key finally gave up & is out, Flywheel is next, on the attack list. Pix available ;-} Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jun 27 09:04:41 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing In-Reply-To: <410-2200966272946593@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200966272946593@earthlink.net> Message-ID: What happened in Belgium, stays in Belgium. Now if Steve wants to post pics... On Fri, June 26, 2009 10:09 pm, Tim Christoff wrote: > And how would one find this Zippers lady Arnie? Perhaps a place that has a > reddish colored light bulb in the window? From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sat Jun 27 18:13:15 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:13:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zippers Message-ID: <410-2200960281131531@earthlink.net> What say you Steve? > [Original Message] > From: Arnie Fero > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 6/27/2009 10:48:57 AM > > What happened in Belgium, stays in Belgium. Now if Steve wants to post pics... > > Tim From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Jun 28 04:14:48 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:14:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 125hp Crosley Message-ID: <837F6C660A6B49AC8F6A027D2B212E3E@peterlowe> Does anyone have any clear photos of a 125hp twin cylinder Crosley they can send me, around mid 1920's era please. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From bethell at internode.on.net Sun Jun 28 04:30:28 2009 From: bethell at internode.on.net (Jim&Geraldine Bethell) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:30:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 125hp Crosley In-Reply-To: <837F6C660A6B49AC8F6A027D2B212E3E@peterlowe> References: <837F6C660A6B49AC8F6A027D2B212E3E@peterlowe> Message-ID: <0FD3449153804734A3CA3A2ED55CBD1F@bethelllaptop> Peter, There is one at Bourke in NSW, I have some photos I will send to you. regards Jim Jim & Geraldine Bethell 12 Fush Place Mildura Victoria 3500 03-50213414 0427-213414 http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:14 PM Subject: [SEL] 125hp Crosley > Does anyone have any clear photos of a 125hp twin cylinder Crosley they > can send me, around mid 1920's era please. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > Skype name: ozengines > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Jun 28 04:37:34 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:37:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 125hp Crosley References: <837F6C660A6B49AC8F6A027D2B212E3E@peterlowe> <0FD3449153804734A3CA3A2ED55CBD1F@bethelllaptop> Message-ID: <81BC0F26D2234AFF859AD02490C168EE@peterlowe> Thanks mate Peter > Peter, > There is one at Bourke in NSW, I have some photos I will send to you. > regards > Jim > > Jim & Geraldine Bethell > 12 Fush Place > Mildura Victoria 3500 > 03-50213414 > 0427-213414 > http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" > > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:14 PM > Subject: [SEL] 125hp Crosley > > >> Does anyone have any clear photos of a 125hp twin cylinder Crosley they >> can send me, around mid 1920's era please. >> >> Regards >> Peter Lowe >> R&V Engine Registrar >> Australia >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> Skype name: ozengines >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Jun 28 04:51:38 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:51:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Crossley info Message-ID: <5CC16A52A4694D23BCA039488E49A527@peterlowe> Hi all Can someone please send me a scan of an article in SEM Crossley 125hp Suction Gas Engine Regards Peter Issue: #161 Page: 6-9 From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Jun 28 11:15:58 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:15:58 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Crossley info In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090628201335.01f50bd8@mail.atech.co.za> At 06:00 PM 28/06/2009, you wrote: >Message: 5 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:51:38 +1000 >From: "Peter Lowe" >Subject: [SEL] Crossley info > >Hi all >Can someone please send me a scan of an article in SEM > Crossley 125hp Suction Gas Engine > > Regards > Peter > Issue: #161 Page: 6-9 Hi Peter, If you do not receive a quicker answer to this request let me know off list. I do not get SEM but a friend does and I could borrow that one from him and scan the article. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Sun Jun 28 17:43:45 2009 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:43:45 +0800 Subject: [SEL] 125hp Crosley In-Reply-To: <0FD3449153804734A3CA3A2ED55CBD1F@bethelllaptop> References: <837F6C660A6B49AC8F6A027D2B212E3E@peterlowe> <0FD3449153804734A3CA3A2ED55CBD1F@bethelllaptop> Message-ID: <4A480E41.1060508@optusnet.com.au> === May I add a "Me too", please? When I was an apprentice in the Roma (Qld) powerhouse in the '50s one of our engines ("The Little-en") was a twin (coupled) horizontal Crossley of about that era and size, running on suction gas. That is the only engine from then of which I do not have a photo or details, and I would dearly love to obtain a copy. A copy of the scan of an article in SEM would also be appreciated Some of you may have read my little articles in TOMM (105-106-107, March - July 2003) in which I mention this engine. For swaps, I can send you my original yarn, (3.3Mb, PDF file) if interested. Jack Watson Perth, Oz === Jim&Geraldine Bethell wrote: > Peter, > There is one at Bourke in NSW, I have some photos I will send to you. > regards > Jim > > Jim & Geraldine Bethell > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> Does anyone have any clear photos of a 125hp twin cylinder Crosley they >> can send me, around mid 1920's era please. >> >> Regards >> Peter Lowe >> > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 28 18:08:01 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:08:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files Message-ID: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> Folks all of a sudden I can no longer open .jpg attachments from my outlook express e-mail messages. I have to save the .jpg file to "My Documents" or another location and then I can open it up. Does this have anything to do with Explorer 8? I have Windows XP Home addition on my computer and it has been working for years and now all of a sudden I cannot open the .jpg files from Outlook Express. The only thing different I have done was to download Internet Explorer 8, could this be causing the problem? Thanks for the help, Paul From swork at endacomm.com Sun Jun 28 18:23:13 2009 From: swork at endacomm.com (S. Work) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:23:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> Message-ID: <9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs> All our computers suffered similar difficulties after (Supposedly) Upgrading ti IE-8 Under Windows XP-Pro I can only assume the problem would be more severe on the Home platform. You can turn OFF IE8 on the windows update site to where it doesn't automatically upgrade/Downgrade you again. Another alternative would be to use Firefox which runs extremely well under all versions of windows I have ! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:08 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > Folks all of a sudden I can no longer open .jpg attachments from my > outlook express e-mail messages. I have to save the .jpg file to "My > Documents" or another location and then I can open it up. Does this have > anything to do with Explorer 8? I have Windows XP Home addition on my > computer and it has been working for years and now all of a sudden I > cannot open the .jpg files from Outlook Express. > > The only thing different I have done was to download Internet Explorer 8, > could this be causing the problem? > > Thanks for the help, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 28 18:31:28 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:31:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> <9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs> Message-ID: Steve would you recommend I uninstall Exp 8 or would just turning it off on the Windows Update site work? I am not use to firefox but may have to become familiar with it if this is the only recourse. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. Work" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > All our computers suffered similar difficulties after (Supposedly) > Upgrading > ti IE-8 Under Windows XP-Pro I can only assume the problem would be more > severe on the Home platform. You can turn OFF IE8 on the windows update > site > to where it doesn't automatically upgrade/Downgrade you again. Another > alternative would be to use Firefox which runs extremely well under all > versions of windows I have ! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:08 PM > Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > > >> Folks all of a sudden I can no longer open .jpg attachments from my >> outlook express e-mail messages. I have to save the .jpg file to "My >> Documents" or another location and then I can open it up. Does this have >> anything to do with Explorer 8? I have Windows XP Home addition on my >> computer and it has been working for years and now all of a sudden I >> cannot open the .jpg files from Outlook Express. >> >> The only thing different I have done was to download Internet Explorer 8, >> could this be causing the problem? >> >> Thanks for the help, >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 > 17:55:00 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rob at rustyiron.com Sun Jun 28 19:05:26 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:05:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> Message-ID: <830BBE72-4F7D-478A-9AA7-51B881D886A5@rustyiron.com> Hi, Paul. You'll probably want to upgrade to Windows 7, which will be released sometime this summer, unless it gets pushed back to this winter or next year. If you order now, you can get the "Home Version Upgrade" for only $49. If you need the more powerful "Professional Version Upgrade" and you order now, the price will be $99. If you wait, the price for the crippled "Home Version Upgrade" will be $119, ten dollars less than the "Vista Home Version Upgrade," which will stay priced at $129 after the release of Windows 7, for those users who don't want to risk another Microsoft upgrade fiasco. However, if you don't have the original discs that came with your computer, the price of Windows 7 will be $199 for the low-end version, or $220 for the fully-enabled version. Or... you can wait for the release of Apple's "Snow Leopard" later this summer, and upgrade to the full-blown version for only $29. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Jun 28, 2009, at 6:08 PM, wrote: > Folks all of a sudden I can no longer open .jpg attachments from my > outlook express e-mail messages. I have to save the .jpg file to "My > Documents" or another location and then I can open it up. Does this > have anything to do with Explorer 8? I have Windows XP Home addition > on my computer and it has been working for years and now all of a > sudden I cannot open the .jpg files from Outlook Express. > > The only thing different I have done was to download Internet > Explorer 8, could this be causing the problem? > > Thanks for the help, > > Paul From swork at endacomm.com Sun Jun 28 19:05:45 2009 From: swork at endacomm.com (S. Work) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:05:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL><9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs> Message-ID: <2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs> Un-Install AND disable from Windows Update (Otherwise it'll sneak it's ugly head back in..) :-( Adding Firefox to your system would also be an alternative. Both can live peacefully on the same computer. And Firefox has a nice Add-On Manager for Plugins etc. IE is a bit more cumbersom to modify. Steve W(ork) Since I Noticed there is another Steve W on here ! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > Steve would you recommend I uninstall Exp 8 or would just turning it off > on > the Windows Update site work? > > I am not use to firefox but may have to become familiar with it if this is > the only recourse. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "S. Work" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 7:23 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > > >> All our computers suffered similar difficulties after (Supposedly) >> Upgrading >> ti IE-8 Under Windows XP-Pro I can only assume the problem would be more >> severe on the Home platform. You can turn OFF IE8 on the windows update >> site >> to where it doesn't automatically upgrade/Downgrade you again. Another >> alternative would be to use Firefox which runs extremely well under all >> versions of windows I have ! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:08 PM >> Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files >> >> >>> Folks all of a sudden I can no longer open .jpg attachments from my >>> outlook express e-mail messages. I have to save the .jpg file to "My >>> Documents" or another location and then I can open it up. Does this have >>> anything to do with Explorer 8? I have Windows XP Home addition on my >>> computer and it has been working for years and now all of a sudden I >>> cannot open the .jpg files from Outlook Express. >>> >>> The only thing different I have done was to download Internet Explorer >>> 8, >>> could this be causing the problem? >>> >>> Thanks for the help, >>> >>> Paul >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: >> 06/27/09 >> 17:55:00 >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 > 17:55:00 > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 28 19:22:12 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:22:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL><9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs> <2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs> Message-ID: Thanks Steve, I will give this a try. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. Work" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > Un-Install AND disable from Windows Update (Otherwise it'll sneak it's > ugly > head back in..) :-( > Adding Firefox to your system would also be an alternative. Both can live > peacefully on the same computer. > > And Firefox has a nice Add-On Manager for Plugins etc. IE is a bit more > cumbersom to modify. > > Steve W(ork) Since I Noticed there is another Steve W on here ! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:31 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > > >> Steve would you recommend I uninstall Exp 8 or would just turning it off >> on >> the Windows Update site work? >> >> I am not use to firefox but may have to become familiar with it if this >> is >> the only recourse. >> >> Paul >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "S. Work" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 7:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files >> >> >>> All our computers suffered similar difficulties after (Supposedly) >>> Upgrading >>> ti IE-8 Under Windows XP-Pro I can only assume the problem would be >>> more >>> severe on the Home platform. You can turn OFF IE8 on the windows update >>> site >>> to where it doesn't automatically upgrade/Downgrade you again. Another >>> alternative would be to use Firefox which runs extremely well under all >>> versions of windows I have ! >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:08 PM >>> Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files >>> >>> >>>> Folks all of a sudden I can no longer open .jpg attachments from my >>>> outlook express e-mail messages. I have to save the .jpg file to "My >>>> Documents" or another location and then I can open it up. Does this >>>> have >>>> anything to do with Explorer 8? I have Windows XP Home addition on my >>>> computer and it has been working for years and now all of a sudden I >>>> cannot open the .jpg files from Outlook Express. >>>> >>>> The only thing different I have done was to download Internet Explorer >>>> 8, >>>> could this be causing the problem? >>>> >>>> Thanks for the help, >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: >>> 06/27/09 >>> 17:55:00 >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: >> 06/27/09 >> 17:55:00 >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 > 17:55:00 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From swork at endacomm.com Sun Jun 28 19:22:28 2009 From: swork at endacomm.com (S. Work) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:22:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> <830BBE72-4F7D-478A-9AA7-51B881D886A5@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <9BCF08D6B7824539958C2BDCD09C0870@ecsserverwebs> Or on a More inteligent note. Change Platform entirely Go to a FREE OF, Like Ubuntu Linux, or CentOS. Both of which have MUCH More support than Microsoft will ever offer on ANYTHING it Offers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > Hi, Paul. > > You'll probably want to upgrade to Windows 7, which will be released > sometime this summer, unless it gets pushed back to this winter or > next year. If you order now, you can get the "Home Version Upgrade" > for only $49. If you need the more powerful "Professional Version > Upgrade" and you order now, the price will be $99. If you wait, the > price for the crippled "Home Version Upgrade" will be $119, ten > dollars less than the "Vista Home Version Upgrade," which will stay > priced at $129 after the release of Windows 7, for those users who > don't want to risk another Microsoft upgrade fiasco. > > However, if you don't have the original discs that came with your > computer, the price of Windows 7 will be $199 for the low-end version, > or $220 for the fully-enabled version. > > Or... you can wait for the release of Apple's "Snow Leopard" later > this summer, and upgrade to the full-blown version for only $29. > > > Rob Skinner > Antique Stationary Engines > La Habra, California > > rob at rustyiron.com > www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > On Jun 28, 2009, at 6:08 PM, > > wrote: > >> Folks all of a sudden I can no longer open .jpg attachments from my >> outlook express e-mail messages. I have to save the .jpg file to "My >> Documents" or another location and then I can open it up. Does this >> have anything to do with Explorer 8? I have Windows XP Home addition >> on my computer and it has been working for years and now all of a >> sudden I cannot open the .jpg files from Outlook Express. >> >> The only thing different I have done was to download Internet >> Explorer 8, could this be causing the problem? >> >> Thanks for the help, >> >> Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 28 19:28:14 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:28:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL><9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs> <2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs> Message-ID: <80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL> Just to clarify things a little Steve, I can open URL addresses from within the text of my -email addresses and the .jpg pictures do show up in the body of the incoming messages but when I click on the attachments to open them up to a full blown view like I normally do they will not open. The little hour glass pops up for a split moment showing something is being processed but nothing happens. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. Work" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > Un-Install AND disable from Windows Update (Otherwise it'll sneak it's > ugly > head back in..) :-( > Adding Firefox to your system would also be an alternative. Both can live > peacefully on the same computer. > > And Firefox has a nice Add-On Manager for Plugins etc. IE is a bit more > cumbersom to modify. > > Steve W(ork) Since I Noticed there is another Steve W on here ! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 28 19:30:08 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:30:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL><830BBE72-4F7D-478A-9AA7-51B881D886A5@rustyiron.com> <9BCF08D6B7824539958C2BDCD09C0870@ecsserverwebs> Message-ID: <25F8827D20D940238FEBAADB3278A9F6@PAUL> Yikes Steve, now I am really in over my head. I will have to navigate my way through all of this and may drown in the process. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. Work" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > Or on a More inteligent note. Change Platform entirely Go to a FREE OF, > Like > Ubuntu Linux, or CentOS. Both of which have MUCH More support than > Microsoft > will ever offer on ANYTHING it Offers. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Skinner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 10:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > > >> Hi, Paul. >> >> You'll probably want to upgrade to Windows 7, which will be released >> sometime this summer, unless it gets pushed back to this winter or >> next year. If you order now, you can get the "Home Version Upgrade" >> for only $49. If you need the more powerful "Professional Version >> Upgrade" and you order now, the price will be $99. If you wait, the >> price for the crippled "Home Version Upgrade" will be $119, ten >> dollars less than the "Vista Home Version Upgrade," which will stay >> priced at $129 after the release of Windows 7, for those users who >> don't want to risk another Microsoft upgrade fiasco. >> >> However, if you don't have the original discs that came with your >> computer, the price of Windows 7 will be $199 for the low-end version, >> or $220 for the fully-enabled version. >> >> Or... you can wait for the release of Apple's "Snow Leopard" later >> this summer, and upgrade to the full-blown version for only $29. >> >> >> Rob Skinner >> Antique Stationary Engines >> La Habra, California >> >> rob at rustyiron.com >> www.rustyiron.com >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 28, 2009, at 6:08 PM, >> > > wrote: >> >>> Folks all of a sudden I can no longer open .jpg attachments from my >>> outlook express e-mail messages. I have to save the .jpg file to "My >>> Documents" or another location and then I can open it up. Does this >>> have anything to do with Explorer 8? I have Windows XP Home addition >>> on my computer and it has been working for years and now all of a >>> sudden I cannot open the .jpg files from Outlook Express. >>> >>> The only thing different I have done was to download Internet >>> Explorer 8, could this be causing the problem? >>> >>> Thanks for the help, >>> >>> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 > 17:55:00 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jun 28 23:22:58 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:22:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: <80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL> References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> <9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs> <2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs> <80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL> Message-ID: <6f6025160906282322m7d04a44bgfdbd51433c1c795b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/6/29 : > Just to clarify things a little Steve, I can open URL addresses from within > the text of my -email addresses and the .jpg pictures do show up in the body > of the incoming messages but when I click on the attachments to open them up > to a full blown view like I normally do they will not open. The little hour > glass pops up for a split moment showing something is being processed but > nothing happens. > > Paul Paul: Have you got a software package installed to edit images in the first place? If you have, then when you click on an image title, it should call the package and run it, so the image can be opened. If you have no software, IE won't do it by itself unless it is part of an HTML page. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sun Jun 28 23:43:23 2009 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:43:23 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: <6f6025160906282322m7d04a44bgfdbd51433c1c795b@mail.gmail.com> References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> <9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs> <2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs> <80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL> <6f6025160906282322m7d04a44bgfdbd51433c1c795b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A48628B.9000205@insulate.co.uk> Hi Peter It's nothing to do with editing images; MS have made an upgrade incompatible with itself, so that a simple image file can no longer be opened within the email program - as Paul said, it has to be saved, THEN opened. Paul, you'll find a cure within the MS forums. They made a program which will delete IE8 and reinstate IE7 - simply using Firefox will NOT cure this. Dolly Listerdiesel wrote: > > Have you got a software package installed to edit images in the first place? > > If you have, then when you click on an image title, it should call the > package and run it, so the image can be opened. > > If you have no software, IE won't do it by itself unless it is part of > an HTML page. > > Peter > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Jun 29 00:08:38 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:08:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 125hp Crosley References: <837F6C660A6B49AC8F6A027D2B212E3E@peterlowe><0FD3449153804734A3CA3A2ED55CBD1F@bethelllaptop> <4A480E41.1060508@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <8D6BBAEF008D4693825BF0E319DDA7B9@peterlowe> My Grandfather owned the first power station in Gloucester, NSW. I am doing a web site of this as only my Dad knows anything about it and I want it preserved. Peter, Oz > === > May I add a "Me too", please? > > When I was an apprentice in the Roma (Qld) powerhouse in the '50s one of > our engines ("The Little-en") was a twin (coupled) horizontal Crossley > of about that era and size, running on suction gas. That is the only > engine from then of which I do not have a photo or details, and I would > dearly love to obtain a copy. > > A copy of the scan of an article in SEM would also be appreciated > > Some of you may have read my little articles in TOMM (105-106-107, March > - July 2003) in which I mention this engine. > For swaps, I can send you my original yarn, (3.3Mb, PDF file) if > interested. > > Jack Watson > Perth, Oz > === > > Jim&Geraldine Bethell wrote: >> Peter, >> There is one at Bourke in NSW, I have some photos I will send to you. >> regards >> Jim >> >> Jim & Geraldine Bethell >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >>> Does anyone have any clear photos of a 125hp twin cylinder Crosley they >>> can send me, around mid 1920's era please. >>> >>> Regards >>> Peter Lowe >>> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From swork at endacomm.com Mon Jun 29 01:02:45 2009 From: swork at endacomm.com (S. Work) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:02:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> <9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs> <2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs> <80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL><6f6025160906282322m7d04a44bgfdbd51433c1c795b@mail.gmail.com> <4A48628B.9000205@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: He's refering to WebMail Attachments, Which Firefox most certainly will rectify ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > Hi Peter > > It's nothing to do with editing images; MS have made an upgrade > incompatible with itself, so that a simple image file can no longer be > opened within the email program - as Paul said, it has to be saved, THEN > opened. > Paul, you'll find a cure within the MS forums. They made a program > which will delete IE8 and reinstate IE7 - simply using Firefox will NOT > cure this. > > Dolly > > Listerdiesel wrote: >> >> Have you got a software package installed to edit images in the first >> place? >> >> If you have, then when you click on an image title, it should call the >> package and run it, so the image can be opened. >> >> If you have no software, IE won't do it by itself unless it is part of >> an HTML page. >> >> Peter >> > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon Jun 29 01:16:31 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:16:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> Message-ID: Paul; Same here , i used to be able to open, then up-graded to "8" now same as you. Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:08:01 -0600 > Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > > Folks all of a sudden I can no longer open .jpg attachments from my outlook express e-mail messages. I have to save the .jpg file to "My Documents" or another location and then I can open it up. Does this have anything to do with Explorer 8? I have Windows XP Home addition on my computer and it has been working for years and now all of a sudden I cannot open the .jpg files from Outlook Express. > > The only thing different I have done was to download Internet Explorer 8, could this be causing the problem? > > Thanks for the help, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon Jun 29 01:27:39 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:27:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: <4A48628B.9000205@insulate.co.uk> References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> <9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs> <2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs> <80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL> <6f6025160906282322m7d04a44bgfdbd51433c1c795b@mail.gmail.com> <4A48628B.9000205@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: I sure would like to know how to re-instate "IE"-7 , I've never liked 8 and I still have issues, I dont want to re-format the PC Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:43:23 +0100 > From: fbi at insulate.co.uk > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > > Hi Peter > > It's nothing to do with editing images; MS have made an upgrade > incompatible with itself, so that a simple image file can no longer be > opened within the email program - as Paul said, it has to be saved, THEN > opened. > Paul, you'll find a cure within the MS forums. They made a program > which will delete IE8 and reinstate IE7 - simply using Firefox will NOT > cure this. > > Dolly > > Listerdiesel wrote: > > > > Have you got a software package installed to edit images in the first place? > > > > If you have, then when you click on an image title, it should call the > > package and run it, so the image can be opened. > > > > If you have no software, IE won't do it by itself unless it is part of > > an HTML page. > > > > Peter > > > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jun 29 01:42:27 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:42:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL><9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs><2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs><80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL><6f6025160906282322m7d04a44bgfdbd51433c1c795b@mail.gmail.com> <4A48628B.9000205@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: This thread answered why I had troubles. I thought it was to do with Office. The 'experts' I asked never told me the reason you have given. How come Microsoft never informed us? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "frank skinner" To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > > I sure would like to know how to re-instate "IE"-7 , I've never liked 8 > > and I still have issues, I dont want to re-format the PC > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > >> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:43:23 +0100 >> From: fbi at insulate.co.uk >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files >> >> Hi Peter >> >> It's nothing to do with editing images; MS have made an upgrade >> incompatible with itself, so that a simple image file can no longer be >> opened within the email program - as Paul said, it has to be saved, THEN >> opened. >> Paul, you'll find a cure within the MS forums. They made a program >> which will delete IE8 and reinstate IE7 - simply using Firefox will NOT >> cure this. >> >> Dolly >> >> Listerdiesel wrote: >> > >> > Have you got a software package installed to edit images in the first >> > place? >> > >> > If you have, then when you click on an image title, it should call the >> > package and run it, so the image can be opened. >> > >> > If you have no software, IE won't do it by itself unless it is part of >> > an HTML page. >> > >> > Peter >> > >> >> -- >> Jim French >> fbi at insulate.co.uk >> http://www.insulate.co.uk >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Jun 29 02:13:44 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:13:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> Message-ID: <66B444A2BEBB49BDAAE70E63CAE94289@KerryPC> G'Day Paul Not sure if it will help your problem but using Irfanview (free) I have it ticked as the default viewer, opening a jpg automatically opens Irfanview, but I am using 7 on Vista, I assume the Iranview\\\\ view override windows Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon Jun 29 02:17:14 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 05:17:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL><9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs><2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs><80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL><6f6025160906282322m7d04a44bgfdbd51433c1c795b@mail.gmail.com> <4A48628B.9000205@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Reg; I want to "up-grade" back to "IE-7" ;-} you didn't know Uncle Bill { Gates } is evil , lol Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:42:27 +1000 > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > > This thread answered why I had troubles. > I thought it was to do with Office. > The 'experts' I asked never told me the reason you have given. > How come Microsoft never informed us? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "frank skinner" > To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > > > > > > I sure would like to know how to re-instate "IE"-7 , I've never liked 8 > > > > and I still have issues, I dont want to re-format the PC > > > > Franklin S. Skinner > > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:43:23 +0100 > >> From: fbi at insulate.co.uk > >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > >> > >> Hi Peter > >> > >> It's nothing to do with editing images; MS have made an upgrade > >> incompatible with itself, so that a simple image file can no longer be > >> opened within the email program - as Paul said, it has to be saved, THEN > >> opened. > >> Paul, you'll find a cure within the MS forums. They made a program > >> which will delete IE8 and reinstate IE7 - simply using Firefox will NOT > >> cure this. > >> > >> Dolly > >> > >> Listerdiesel wrote: > >> > > >> > Have you got a software package installed to edit images in the first > >> > place? > >> > > >> > If you have, then when you click on an image title, it should call the > >> > package and run it, so the image can be opened. > >> > > >> > If you have no software, IE won't do it by itself unless it is part of > >> > an HTML page. > >> > > >> > Peter > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Jim French > >> fbi at insulate.co.uk > >> http://www.insulate.co.uk > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Jun 29 02:51:27 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:51:27 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Lanzalldog Message-ID: <3063CE493E8F4BE59B03559530E3F709@your9e74d7efa7> Does anyone in Australia have contact for a bloke that has the avitar of LANZALLDOG? From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Jun 29 04:27:42 2009 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:27:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL><9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs><2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs><80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL><6f6025160906282322m7d04a44bgfdbd51433c1c795b@mail.gmail.com> <4A48628B.9000205@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A48A52E.2020508@insulate.co.uk> Everyone having problems opening attachments within email following an upgrade to IE8: Go to http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700 This problem is with anyone using a Windows Mail program (Outlook Express, Outlook, Mail etc) and occurs when you download IE8 - whether or not you actually USE IE8. Once IE8 is on your system, you can't open email attachments. If anyone has any further problems, contact me off-list to avoid offending anyone with the amount of off-topic emails. Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Jun 29 05:00:24 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:00:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R&V 1hp value please Message-ID: <66D88793802E4266B31DE5CA0DED26E2@peterlowe> Hi all What is the current value of a 1hp L series R&V engine on factory truck in the USA. One coming up at auction and a new register member would like to know. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jun 29 05:42:58 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:42:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] R&V 1hp value please In-Reply-To: <66D88793802E4266B31DE5CA0DED26E2@peterlowe> Message-ID: <870D1269FF68402CA96101006D1CEC70@tommyd0x52gkco> It should bring a decent sum. I think the one at the Armstrong auction brought over $3,000 (US) and it needed some work. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:00 AM To: ATIS; Oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] R&V 1hp value please Hi all What is the current value of a 1hp L series R&V engine on factory truck in the USA. One coming up at auction and a new register member would like to know. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Jun 29 06:54:45 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:54:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: <9BCF08D6B7824539958C2BDCD09C0870@ecsserverwebs> Message-ID: S. Work: I wish I could get away from Microsoft operating systems but I've tried several alternatives and none have worked out. So far, I really did a push for O.S.2 until IBM dropped it, then tried several versions of Linux including Kubutnu. I haven't been able to get any of the versions of Linux to work right, have some trouble with the file system and can't get used to the "non-talkative" System Prompt. Also, I can't seem to get the Kubutnu graphic mode to work right and then there are the driver issues. If they (Linux) could get to where it is more intuitive, I think I could switch. For now, I'm stuck with Windoze and not liking it. My only alternative may be to go to Apple the next time the smoke leaks out of my system . Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of S. Work > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 09:22 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help > opening .jpg files > > > Or on a More inteligent note. Change Platform > entirely Go to a FREE OF, Like > Ubuntu Linux, or CentOS. Both of which have MUCH > More support than Microsoft > will ever offer on ANYTHING it Offers. From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Jun 29 06:56:58 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:56:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: <80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL> Message-ID: Paul: Could you have accidentally checked the box that says to automatically save the file? If so, I don't know how to uncheck it if you've also told it to not remind you. "Hepfull", ain't I. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 09:28 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help > opening .jpg files > > > Just to clarify things a little Steve, I can open > URL addresses from within > the text of my -email addresses and the .jpg > pictures do show up in the body > of the incoming messages but when I click on the > attachments to open them up > to a full blown view like I normally do they will > not open. The little hour > glass pops up for a split moment showing > something is being processed but > nothing happens. > > Paul From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon Jun 29 06:43:30 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:43:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: References: <80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL> Message-ID: Elden; That's excellent mystery, isn't it :( I have pondered it. Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:56:58 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > > Paul: > > Could you have accidentally checked the box that says to automatically save the file? If so, I don't know how to uncheck it if you've also told it to not remind you. > > "Hepfull", ain't I. :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of > > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net > > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 09:28 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help > > opening .jpg files > > > > > > Just to clarify things a little Steve, I can open > > URL addresses from within > > the text of my -email addresses and the .jpg > > pictures do show up in the body > > of the incoming messages but when I click on the > > attachments to open them up > > to a full blown view like I normally do they will > > not open. The little hour > > glass pops up for a split moment showing > > something is being processed but > > nothing happens. > > > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Mon Jun 29 07:26:52 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:26:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures Message-ID: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> Hi All, AT LAST the pictures of the SIAM 2009 show are up. You can see them at: http://gallery.me.com/rotigel Dave PS, Keith, can you fine a way to get them to Marian? Thanks! From George_Best at adp.com Mon Jun 29 07:37:05 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:37:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures In-Reply-To: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A470E8DC0@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Nice pictures Dave. Noticed Arnie wearing a couple of his t-shirts from EHOWT09. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 7:27 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures Hi All, AT LAST the pictures of the SIAM 2009 show are up. You can see them at: http://gallery.me.com/rotigel Dave PS, Keith, can you fine a way to get them to Marian? Thanks! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jun 29 08:14:47 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:14:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag In New Hampshire In-Reply-To: References: <59421.168.215.206.73.1246032570.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <20090629151442.177A91475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> Hi Ya'll. We have a small engine that needs to get from Bethleham NH to one of three places, Portland Indiana, Colchester Connecticut or Trenton New Jersey. Is there is a chance anyone is going to be in New Hampshire near Bethleham in the next few weeks before Portland show? Do you know of someone going from the Bethleham NH to Marks Magnetos in Colchester Connecticut or to Portland show. The owner would rather trust engine people to haul it then UPS. Don't want to terribly inconvenience anyone but was hoping to find a ride for it. Mark From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 09:09:28 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:09:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: <4A48628B.9000205@insulate.co.uk> References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> <9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs> <2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs> <80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL> <6f6025160906282322m7d04a44bgfdbd51433c1c795b@mail.gmail.com> <4A48628B.9000205@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6f6025160906290909u2f6a6ee9x25ffac88fc9e93b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/6/29 Jim French : > Hi Peter > > It's nothing to do with editing images; MS have made an upgrade > incompatible with itself, so that a simple image file can no longer be > opened within the email program - as Paul said, it has to be saved, THEN > opened. > Paul, you'll find a cure within the MS forums. ?They made a program > which will delete IE8 and reinstate IE7 - simply using Firefox will NOT > cure this. > > Dolly > OK, we are trundling along on Win2kPro and IE6 :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Jun 29 09:29:25 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:29:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures In-Reply-To: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the pictures, Dave. It looks like it was a good time. Rob On Jun 29, 2009, at 7:26 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, AT LAST the pictures of the SIAM 2009 show are up. You can see > them at: http://gallery.me.com/rotigel > Dave > PS, Keith, can you fine a way to get them to Marian? Thanks! From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Jun 29 09:50:46 2009 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:50:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures In-Reply-To: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> Message-ID: <4A48F0E6.5060300@insulate.co.uk> Great pictures, Dave - really enjoyed seeing everyone having a good time. I see that Arnie was still catching up from the EHOWT - in every picture he's either sleeping or eating! Dolly David Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, AT LAST the pictures of the SIAM 2009 show are up. You can see > them at: http://gallery.me.com/rotigel > Dave > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From oldironnut at windstream.net Mon Jun 29 12:08:19 2009 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:08:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures In-Reply-To: <4A48F0E6.5060300@insulate.co.uk> References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> <4A48F0E6.5060300@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <73D95482-6F25-4198-979E-E6BFEFC947AE@windstream.net> > Great pictures, Dave - really enjoyed seeing everyone having a good > time. > I see that Arnie was still catching up from the EHOWT - in every > picture > he's either sleeping or eating! Dolly, you're implying that those "action" shots of Arnie are different from ANY pictures that are taken of him at ANY engine show regardless of what he's "catching up" from!!! You silly girl!!! Dave, thanks for the GREAT photos! See ya', Mike From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon Jun 29 13:26:44 2009 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:26:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures In-Reply-To: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> Message-ID: <50942E84-A81C-489C-B078-291C304A0469@herculesengines.com> > Good pictures Dave. Here is a link to the photo's I took at the show: > http://photobucket.com/SIAM-2009 Keith Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Mon Jun 29 13:48:28 2009 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytag In New Hampshire Message-ID: <92405.42010.qm@web52301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> If you can find someone to bring it?to the Pepperell, MA show in 2wks I can p/u there and give it to Mark at the Colchester show later in July. NICK --- On Mon, 6/29/09, Mark Shulaw wrote: From: Mark Shulaw Subject: [SEL] Maytag In New Hampshire To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 11:14 AM Hi Ya'll.? We have a small engine that needs to get from Bethleham NH to one of three places, Portland Indiana, Colchester Connecticut or Trenton New Jersey.? Is there is a chance anyone is going to be in New Hampshire near Bethleham in the next few weeks before Portland show? Do you know of someone going from the Bethleham NH? to Marks Magnetos in Colchester Connecticut or to Portland show. The owner would rather trust engine people to haul it then UPS.? Don't want to terribly inconvenience anyone but was hoping to find a ride for it.???Mark _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Jun 29 14:14:46 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:14:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> <50942E84-A81C-489C-B078-291C304A0469@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <001601c9f8fe$a13f1f60$83674b47@mikecomp> Nice slideshow Keith. Good to see Glen and the gang. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures >> Good pictures Dave. Here is a link to the photo's I took at the show: >> http://photobucket.com/SIAM-2009 > Keith > > > > Keith Kinney > kkinney at herculesengines.com > WWW.HerculesEngines.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jun 29 14:23:26 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:23:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> <4A48F0E6.5060300@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Not chasing Totty?? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures > Great pictures, Dave - really enjoyed seeing everyone having a good time. > I see that Arnie was still catching up from the EHOWT - in every picture > he's either sleeping or eating! > > Dolly > > David Rotigel wrote: >> Hi All, AT LAST the pictures of the SIAM 2009 show are up. You can see >> them at: http://gallery.me.com/rotigel >> Dave >> > -- > > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Mon Jun 29 14:39:09 2009 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:39:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: <4A48A52E.2020508@insulate.co.uk> References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL><9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs><2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs><80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL><6f6025160906282322m7d04a44bgfdbd51433c1c795b@mail.gmail.com> <4A48628B.9000205@insulate.co.uk> <4A48A52E.2020508@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <003601c9f902$0e2c60d0$2a852270$@net.au> Just a comment, I use win xp pro sp3, Office 2007 and outlook 2007, IE 8 and it works fine with opening attachments. Win Media player 11 and dvd's, now, that's a different and frustrating issue which I cant find a solution to. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim French Sent: Monday, 29 June 2009 21:28 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files Everyone having problems opening attachments within email following an upgrade to IE8: Go to http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700 This problem is with anyone using a Windows Mail program (Outlook Express, Outlook, Mail etc) and occurs when you download IE8 - whether or not you actually USE IE8. Once IE8 is on your system, you can't open email attachments. If anyone has any further problems, contact me off-list to avoid offending anyone with the amount of off-topic emails. Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Jun 29 14:42:55 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:42:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures In-Reply-To: <50942E84-A81C-489C-B078-291C304A0469@herculesengines.com> References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> <50942E84-A81C-489C-B078-291C304A0469@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <41D13E0B31F545DEA67250D84497C7E9@KerryPC> Wow Keith, congratulations to Isaac on a beautiful job, well done, I assume it is for the 4H Kerry >> Good pictures Dave. Here is a link to the photo's I took at the show: >> http://photobucket.com/SIAM-2009 > Keith From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jun 29 16:35:12 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures In-Reply-To: <4A48F0E6.5060300@insulate.co.uk> References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> <4A48F0E6.5060300@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <41dfbfc40824d64a15918e4c550ef395.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Dolly, Sleeping, eating, drinking, chasing totty, ... If you have your engines setup well, one flip of the flywheels in the morning and they run all day. Which leaves ample time for the MORE IMPORTANT engine show pursuits. (See the beginning of this reply.) Capish? 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - You'd be DEEPLY concerned if you DIDN'T see me engaging in all of that! On Mon, June 29, 2009 12:50 pm, Jim French wrote: > Great pictures, Dave - really enjoyed seeing everyone having a good time. > I see that Arnie was still catching up from the EHOWT - in every picture > he's either sleeping or eating! > > Dolly From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Jun 29 16:35:52 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:35:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures In-Reply-To: <41dfbfc40824d64a15918e4c550ef395.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com><4A48F0E6.5060300@insulate.co.uk> <41dfbfc40824d64a15918e4c550ef395.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <561A972C78654422B71A3FA11D3DDDA1@KerryPC> G'Day Mate >If you have your engines setup well, one flip of the flywheels in the >morning and they run all day. When did you start this system, my bloody arms are still sore from Baraboo and Portland 2 years ago Kerry From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 29 16:37:31 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:37:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> <9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs> <2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs> <80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL><6f6025160906282322m7d04a44bgfdbd51433c1c795b@mail.gmail.com> <4A48628B.9000205@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E4CB77F705B403AA360CF4148F1F648@PAUL> Thanks Dolly, I will go to the MS forum and see if I can get a fix/ Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > Hi Peter > > It's nothing to do with editing images; MS have made an upgrade > incompatible with itself, so that a simple image file can no longer be > opened within the email program - as Paul said, it has to be saved, THEN > opened. > Paul, you'll find a cure within the MS forums. They made a program > which will delete IE8 and reinstate IE7 - simply using Firefox will NOT > cure this. > > Dolly > > Listerdiesel wrote: >> >> Have you got a software package installed to edit images in the first >> place? >> >> If you have, then when you click on an image title, it should call the >> package and run it, so the image can be opened. >> >> From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Jun 29 16:40:44 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:40:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Peter Osborne Message-ID: <40FD4D1F5D64479190632C1179F7214A@KerryPC> Peter tried twice to reply to your sunshine post but bounces bay as User unknown ? yes there is a wad of gauze needed, I was told to help atomize the fuel as it is first sucked into the sump as the piston goes up (vacuum) and then pressurized and forced into the inlet port as the piston comes down. Important that the brass main bearings seal well or you will not get a good vacuum or pressure. Mine is a prick of a thing and never got to sort it out, will run but continues to blow fuel out of the carb, it is all about the governor which in itself is an unusual design I got a manual I think from Rally Badges, I am enjoying the North Qld sun at the moment otherwise I would scan and send on.and check out mine and take photos etc as needed. If I can help just ask Kerry From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Jun 29 22:40:45 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:40:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures In-Reply-To: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> Message-ID: <20090630054042.0159933827A@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> G'day Dave, mate good looking lot of photos there. Make me all the more excited about getting over there and joining in on the fun. We are counting down the weeks now so look out you guys! PS: another plane fell out of the sky today, Doesn't make Carmel all that confident to fly! It's a bloody long way to swim so I recon she will take her chances. At 12:26 AM 30/06/2009, you wrote: >Hi All, AT LAST the pictures of the SIAM 2009 show are up. You can see >them at: http://gallery.me.com/rotigel > Dave >PS, Keith, can you fine a way to get them to Marian? Thanks! >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Jun 30 01:39:30 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:39:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Twin cylinder Bartram Message-ID: Here is something you will not see every day. A twin cylinder, hit and miss, Bartram. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4JK0t4fWRI Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Jun 30 05:02:02 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:02:02 EDT Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures Message-ID: In a message dated 6/29/2009 7:28:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: If you have your engines setup well, one flip of the flywheels in the morning and they run all day Are you saying that your engines are better tuned than Dave's? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377075x1201454393/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JunestepsfooterNO62) From rotigel at me.com Tue Jun 30 06:46:50 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:46:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Are you saying that your engines are better tuned than Dave's? > > Tom Schmutz They sure were at SIAM and Coolspring! Dave From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jun 30 08:05:34 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:05:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Twin cylinder Bartram In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Patrick: Interesting engine! What were they originally used for (if for other than the ordinary things)? When were they made and where? Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 03:40 AM > To: ATIS; Oldengine > Subject: [SEL] Twin cylinder Bartram From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Jun 30 09:41:13 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:41:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Zippers In-Reply-To: <410-2200960281131531@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200960281131531@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I claim temporary amnesia and hope no one on the EHOWT trip has pictures to prove otherwise! Steve > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:13:15 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Zippers > > > What say you Steve? > > > [Original Message] > > From: Arnie Fero > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 6/27/2009 10:48:57 AM > > > > What happened in Belgium, stays in Belgium. Now if Steve wants to post > pics... > > > > > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 From Jim at hardmanfamily.net Tue Jun 30 11:06:50 2009 From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:06:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A Tractor's Song, OT Message-ID: <5339548553CE4EE6A788586CF00EED2C@JamesDesktop> Off topic, but just worthwhile... http://fschnell.net/WordPress/?p=1094 Jim in Vermont From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jun 30 12:40:16 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:40:16 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Kawasaki decal Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090630213245.00c100e8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Sorry about another "Off Topic" post. A mate is rebuilding a Kawasaki KX 125 scrambler and asked me to make decals for him (another freebie :-)) I cannot find a pic of the KX 125 decal (not the whole set - just the small one that goes near the seat). I thought that maybe a list member may have one of these bikes and could take a digital pic of the decal for me. (Straight on and from as close as your camera can manage). I know that the decal did change for different years but I'm not fussy about that. Pretty much any year will be O.K. (It's not an OLD ENGINE after all). If anyone can help I would appreciate it - please send it direct to me at: - not to the list! many thanks Jerry From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Jun 30 15:36:25 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:36:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT the hi road or the low road Message-ID: <20090630223623.333DC304166@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> G'day All, just asking for some thoughts of those who may be in the know. We are still planing (trying to at least) our road trip from Chicago to Buffalo, back to Detroit, Across the lake on the ferry to Baraboo!. I have had plenty say driving is easy because of all the great roads/freeways. We have plenty of time to poke about have a sticky nose at all kinds of things. Saying this I'm sure these great roads by-pass many great points of interest. Anyone having some suggestion on when to take a left or right hand turn off the freeways to perhaps pass by some good old looking towns etc please feel free to contact us off list russell at ncable.com.au PS: thanks to Arnie we have a great collection of maps and travel planers and continually check them over. Just always good to hear from some of the locals? regards Russell From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Jun 30 15:54:29 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:54:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT the hi road or the low road References: <20090630223623.333DC304166@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: Russ, Marg and I drove from Miami to San Francisco on our first visit to USA. It was ok on the main roads but SO easy to make a mistake on turning, leaving a fuel stop etc. No matter how careful you are, the brain drops into auto mode at times and driving on the other side of the road is a deadly challenge. So much so that I have never driven there since. I, and they, are safer that way. Smartarse Kerry did a stint in a motorhome one year. I am sure he will agree with me on this. BE CAREFUL!! Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:36 AM Subject: [SEL] OT the hi road or the low road > G'day All, just asking for some thoughts of those who may be in the > know. We are still planing (trying to at least) our road trip from > Chicago to Buffalo, back to Detroit, Across the lake on the ferry to > Baraboo!. I have had plenty say driving is easy because of all the > great roads/freeways. We have plenty of time to poke about have a > sticky nose at all kinds of things. Saying this I'm sure these great > roads by-pass many great points of interest. Anyone having some > suggestion on when to take a left or right hand turn off the freeways > to perhaps pass by some good old looking towns etc please feel free > to contact us off list russell at ncable.com.au > > PS: thanks to Arnie we have a great collection of maps and travel > planers and continually check them over. Just always good to hear > from some of the locals? > > regards Russell > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at me.com Tue Jun 30 16:25:21 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:25:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT the hi road or the low road In-Reply-To: <20090630223623.333DC304166@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> References: <20090630223623.333DC304166@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <1D2AA3BA-7C0B-4127-ABFC-93655EFD95A3@me.com> Hi Russ, Be sure to stop by Cody 9th Grade Academy while in Detriot. I understand that thinge are wild there from time to time! (See: http://freep.com/article/20090630/NEWS01/90630050/Gunfire+wounds+7+Detroit+teens++3+critically) Dave On Jun 30, 2009, at 6:36 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > G'day All, just asking for some thoughts of those who may be in the > know. We are still planing (trying to at least) our road trip from > Chicago to Buffalo, back to Detroit, Across the lake on the ferry to > Baraboo!. I have had plenty say driving is easy because of all the > great roads/freeways. We have plenty of time to poke about have a > sticky nose at all kinds of things. Saying this I'm sure these great > roads by-pass many great points of interest. Anyone having some > suggestion on when to take a left or right hand turn off the freeways > to perhaps pass by some good old looking towns etc please feel free > to contact us off list russell at ncable.com.au > > PS: thanks to Arnie we have a great collection of maps and travel > planers and continually check them over. Just always good to hear > from some of the locals? > > regards Russell From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Jun 30 16:26:44 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:26:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT the hi road or the low road In-Reply-To: References: <20090630223623.333DC304166@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: What do you mean smartarse :-)) The hardest thing in driving is making turns at intersections, Ruth was a savior there and would remind me, her sayings were Right turn keep it tight, eg turn in close where we go to the other side Left turn keep it loose. go to the other side where we turn to the closest gutter. tip when you first drive away from the hire car place get behind some one and follow for awhile, ensure Carmel can read a map as you will have enough to think of and you start to panic in traffic if you don't know exactly were your going. I told you before but ensure you have car insurance, seemed to be a extra Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT the hi road or the low road > Russ, Marg and I drove from Miami to San Francisco on our first visit to > USA. > It was ok on the main roads but SO easy to make a mistake on turning, > leaving a fuel stop etc. No matter how careful you are, the brain drops > into > auto mode at times and driving on the other side of the road is a deadly > challenge. > So much so that I have never driven there since. I, and they, are safer > that > way. > Smartarse Kerry did a stint in a motorhome one year. I am sure he will > agree > with me on this. > BE CAREFUL!! > Reg. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russell Gilbert" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:36 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT the hi road or the low road > > >> G'day All, just asking for some thoughts of those who may be in the >> know. We are still planing (trying to at least) our road trip from >> Chicago to Buffalo, back to Detroit, Across the lake on the ferry to >> Baraboo!. I have had plenty say driving is easy because of all the >> great roads/freeways. We have plenty of time to poke about have a >> sticky nose at all kinds of things. Saying this I'm sure these great >> roads by-pass many great points of interest. Anyone having some >> suggestion on when to take a left or right hand turn off the freeways >> to perhaps pass by some good old looking towns etc please feel free >> to contact us off list russell at ncable.com.au >> >> PS: thanks to Arnie we have a great collection of maps and travel >> planers and continually check them over. Just always good to hear >> from some of the locals? >> >> regards Russell >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Tue Jun 30 17:05:36 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:05:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT the hi road or the low road In-Reply-To: References: <20090630223623.333DC304166@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: Hi Reg Each Jan. and June guys from the Dept of Homeland Security stop in here to ask if I have seen you since that trip. Arnie says that the same thing happens at his place in March and Sept. Don't worry mate, we always tell them that it was Marg that was driving and she was just some chick from the UK that you met in the keys! Dave On Jun 30, 2009, at 6:54 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: > Russ, Marg and I drove from Miami to San Francisco on our first > visit to > USA. > It was ok on the main roads but SO easy to make a mistake on turning, > leaving a fuel stop etc. No matter how careful you are, the brain > drops into > auto mode at times and driving on the other side of the road is a > deadly > challenge. > So much so that I have never driven there since. I, and they, are > safer that > way. > Smartarse Kerry did a stint in a motorhome one year. I am sure he > will agree > with me on this. > BE CAREFUL!! > Reg. From rotigel at me.com Tue Jun 30 17:09:39 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:09:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT the hi road or the low road In-Reply-To: References: <20090630223623.333DC304166@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: You have a GOOD women there Kerry. Sure as hell can NOT understand why Ruth stays with you! Dave PS, Free men drive on the right side of the road! On Jun 30, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Kerry wrote: > What do you mean smartarse :-)) > > The hardest thing in driving is making turns at intersections, Ruth > was a > savior there and would remind me, her sayings were > Right turn keep it tight, eg turn in close where we go to the other > side > Left turn keep it loose. go to the other side where we turn to the > closest > gutter. > > Kerry From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 30 16:54:53 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:54:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> Message-ID: <76ADCD691AB141C780BCBD15BFB155F8@PAUL> Thanks Dave for sharing the pictures. It was good to see Glenn was at the show and I hope he is doing well. It was sad not seeing Bill Miller in the group pictures as he never missed the SIAM show. Nice to see the rest of the gang. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:26 AM Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures > Hi All, AT LAST the pictures of the SIAM 2009 show are up. You can see > them at: http://gallery.me.com/rotigel > Dave > PS, Keith, can you fine a way to get them to Marian? Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Jun 30 17:24:48 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:24:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT the hi road or the low road In-Reply-To: References: <20090630223623.333DC304166@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <95E37DEB769C439F8FDA3C190326089B@KerryPC> G'Day mate, that's why I love this list, giggle giggle giggle > PS, Free men drive on the right side of the road! Kerry From kosh at ncweb.com Tue Jun 30 17:43:53 2009 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:43:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT the hi road or the low road In-Reply-To: <20090630223623.333DC304166@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090630200311.0c2e7840@ncweb.com> Depending on the timing, there are a lot of shows all over the place at this time of year. Many people focus on the big event shows, but there's usually something interesting at even the smaller ones. Also, many shows spill back into midweek, so you don't need to catch them on a weekend. One item is to take the coal fired steam ferry from Ludington to Manitowoc, instead of the shiny new boring one to Baraboo, although the big circus museum in Baraboo is worthwhile. On the west edge of Manitowoc is the Manitowoc crane factory and training facility, with always a bunch of ginormous machines sitting out to look at...ie, a lowboy trailer filled with a single crawler track. Their licensed toy store is there too, where you can spend big $$$ easily. Also depending on the time you have allotted, you could do the Lake Erie Circle Tour, which circles the lake shore on very well paved 2-lane roads near the lake shore. You can make good time on these roads, with plenty of scenery all along the way. The tour route is designated and marked with signs. Note that the Great Lakes are not lakes in the usual sense, but big freshwater seas. There are wineries all along the Lake Erie shore, especially east of Erie. If you're into railroads, one of the busiest, fastest, and highest tonnage main lines in the world runs from Chicago to Buffalo, ex New York Central, always within a couple miles of the lake, paralleled by a second, more picturesque line, ex Nickel Plate. There are a series of lake ports along the Ohio shore where you can see really old freighters, some still steam, or diesel conversions that still use steam for the winches and auxiliaries. The oldest, homeported Milwaukee, is from 1906, the second oldest is from 1929, and many are from the 1940's. Toledo has a lake freighter museum from the 1920's, Cleveland has a WW-II sub in unmodified condition, and a lake freighter from 1926, Erie has the Brig Niagara, unless it is out on tour, and a big machinery museum, and Buffalo has a naval museum with 3 good ships. Just west of the city dock in Erie is an old water works, with one of the original big triple expansion steam pumping engines still there to see, although not "presented". North of Buffalo, is the Welland canal, which has plenty of both laker and salties traffic. This is quite a list, and barely scratches the surface. Have fun! Dave Merchant At 06:36 PM 6/30/2009, Russell Gilbert wrote: >G'day All, just asking for some thoughts of those who may be in the >know. We are still planing (trying to at least) our road trip from >Chicago to Buffalo, back to Detroit, Across the lake on the ferry to >Baraboo!. I have had plenty say driving is easy because of all the >great roads/freeways. We have plenty of time to poke about have a >sticky nose at all kinds of things. Saying this I'm sure these great >roads by-pass many great points of interest. Anyone having some >suggestion on when to take a left or right hand turn off the freeways >to perhaps pass by some good old looking towns etc please feel free >to contact us off list russell at ncable.com.au > >PS: thanks to Arnie we have a great collection of maps and travel >planers and continually check them over. Just always good to hear >from some of the locals? > >regards Russell > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Jun 30 19:09:50 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:09:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Zippers References: <410-2200960281131531@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003101c9f9f1$04645a90$83674b47@mikecomp> You have had temporary amnesia so long it is permanent by now....... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Zippers I claim temporary amnesia and hope no one on the EHOWT trip has pictures to prove otherwise! Steve > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:13:15 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Zippers > > > What say you Steve? > > > [Original Message] > > From: Arnie Fero > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 6/27/2009 10:48:57 AM > > > > What happened in Belgium, stays in Belgium. Now if Steve wants to post > pics... > > > > > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From elidas at aol.com Tue Jun 30 19:48:18 2009 From: elidas at aol.com (elidas at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:48:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Connecticut show In-Reply-To: <20090630223623.333DC304166@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> References: <20090630223623.333DC304166@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <8CBC80D863E48D0-16F8-1E6C@Webmail-mg20.sim.aol.com> ?There will be an engine and tractor?show at Bethany airport?July 10-12.? We are trying to get a large group of antique lawn and garden stuff.?There is plenty of room.??This show is not in the show directory. ? From tchristoff at earthlink.net Tue Jun 30 20:30:48 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:30:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zippers Message-ID: <410-2200973133048343@earthlink.net> Too late Steve, my eyes have now been opened to whatever that thing was that you so lovingly call Zippers. I must say Dude, get some help! That is nasty. Though I can see one good side to it, just think of the all around coverage you can get from that, provided both halfs can work independently of one another. Mike, untarp those engines and bring them to Portland and we can work a deal, your brother seems to be "Split" on lifes choices. Tim > [Original Message] > From: Steve Royster > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 6/30/2009 11:41:13 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Zippers > > > I claim temporary amnesia and hope no one on the EHOWT trip has pictures to prove otherwise! Steve > > > > > > > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:13:15 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Zippers > > > > > > What say you Steve? > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Arnie Fero > > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > > Date: 6/27/2009 10:48:57 AM > > > > > > What happened in Belgium, stays in Belgium. Now if Steve wants to post > > pics... > > > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria l_Storage_062009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jun 30 21:33:42 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 00:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures In-Reply-To: <561A972C78654422B71A3FA11D3DDDA1@KerryPC> References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com><4A48F0E6.5060300@insulate.co.uk> <41dfbfc40824d64a15918e4c550ef395.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <561A972C78654422B71A3FA11D3DDDA1@KerryPC> Message-ID: <66f4e5af7bb1983d6f00bdf88628271e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Mate, Well, your lovely bride told me that you were getting a bit pudgy and asked me if I could get you a bit of a workout at Baraboo & Portland; so I dialed the Bessemer off just a bit. Something so that you would get a workout, but stop short of cardiac arrest. Hugs & kisses to your missus. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, June 29, 2009 7:35 pm, Kerry wrote: > >>If you have your engines setup well, one flip of the flywheels in the >>morning and they run all day. > > When did you start this system, my bloody arms are still sore from Baraboo > and Portland 2 years ago From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jun 1 03:14:36 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:14:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally Message-ID: I hope to see a few list members at the Manilla Rally this weekend. My engine is loaded but it just needs a little TLC before the weekend. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jun 2 14:13:43 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:13:43 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Another one lives./Update Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090602223836.0245eea8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Some progress with the Maytag Twin thanks to suggestions from the list. Following Mark's info on the timing I removed the backplate from the other Maytag and fitted it to this one. (Should there be a bit of play when those lugs are lined up - maybe a degree or so either way ?) Where I had it set previously was definitely more out than this - probably about 4 degrees retarded. I also fitted the muffler from the other Maytag (not a washing machine engine - this was a battery charger - I think Mark mentioned "Winpower Genset") and it really tames the little bugger down. I've started it up and also adjusted the governor slightly (about 1/2 a turn anticlockwise to speed it up a little) - how sensitive is this setting? Until I get my rev counter sorted out it is difficult for me to judge. It has sped up a bit. I'm also experimenting with spark plug gap - the Briggs coil may not be supplying as strong a spark as the original Maytag coil. I originally had the gap set at 0.020" but am down to 0.014" now and there is a definite improvement. When I short out 1 plug the engine actually runs much better but this difference is getting less noticeable as I make the sparkplug gap smaller. Suggestions and comments welcome. It's still not running as smoothly as I imagine it should but this is the first Maytag twin I've seen so have nothing to judge it against. Another video taken this evening is here: This one is 30 seconds long (640 x 480) and is 2.85 Megabytes. (Reg, that video tutorial is getting closer - I used this as a test). Any comments and suggestions will be welcomed. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jun 2 16:08:51 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:08:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another one lives./Update In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090602223836.0245eea8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: Not being a Maytag expert, I'll jump in here anyway. If the engine runs better with one plug shorted or with the gaps knocked down, I'd suspect weak spark from misadjusted points, condenser(!) or bad coil. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 04:14 PM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Another one lives./Update > > > Hi All, > Some progress with the Maytag Twin > thanks to suggestions from the > list. .....................snip........................ > I'm also experimenting with spark plug > gap - the Briggs coil may > not be supplying as strong a spark as the > original Maytag coil. I > originally had the gap set at 0.020" but am down > to 0.014" now and there is > a definite improvement. When I short out 1 plug > the engine actually runs > much better but this difference is getting less > noticeable as I make the > sparkplug gap smaller. Suggestions and comments welcome. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 15:45:44 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:45:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Show Message-ID: <6f6025160906021545k4edbbf76sf41a14beb32c0555@mail.gmail.com> Just back home again after a fantastic weekend. Ferry trip both ways was very smooth and weather excellent, our son't Land Rover had a bit of overheating trouble, but made it OK to the show. Engine variety was very good, attendees from the UK was up to 48 from 11 last year, we saw George, Arnie, Mike & Steve etc on the Sunday, they looked a little jet lagged but were enjoying themselves. We took 6 engines, including one of our friends who came with us, and subsequently sold 4 of those to a local WWII museum near Eindhoven. We actually sold 3 and donated the fourth to the museum. Drove about 500 miles in all, plus the two Ferry sectors of 6-1/2 hours each way. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 2 19:41:34 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:41:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem Message-ID: Folks I need to apply equal amounts of water at 16 locations around a rectangular square made if 1/2" pvc pipe. (8 locations down each side and none on ends) The length of each side of the rectangle is 111" and the ends are 27". http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/?action=view¤t=diagram.jpg One man told me to drill 1/4" holes at each of the 16 locations but I argued with him that the first few 1/4" holes located closest to the input of the water would get more water than the rest and he said it would not.....well they did. The first 4 holes on each side of the PVC closest to the inlet of the water shot out streams of water about 4" long and the last holes, the ones furthest away from the inlet of the water just dribbled water. I am only drilling holes down the length of the rectangle and none on the ends. The PVC pipe size is 1/2" and as stated above the length of each side is 111" long. I use a 5/8" water hose (it only has a 1/2" bore size) to bring water to the inlet of the rectangle. The bore size of the 1/2" pvc pipe is .485", almost 1/2". The water flow rate is 5 gpm per minute coming out of the end of the 5/8 hose. Can someone tell me how to plumb the rectangle in order to achieve an equal flow of water at each of the 16 drilled hole outlets. I would assume I will have to start out with small holes closest to the inlet and gradually get bigger towards the end opposite the inlet of the water. I just want the water to dribble out and not shoot out in streams and I need, as close as I can get it, equal amounts coming out at each of the 16 drilled locations. At each of these 16 locations there is a tomato plant. I am trying to calculate how long to leave the water on in order to be able to supply 1" of water to each plant as the tomato plants require 1" of water weekly and more during the hot months. I will appreciate any and all help on this. Thanks, Paul From blcksmth at wcnet.org Tue Jun 2 21:21:59 2009 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:21:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would think that very very small holes at the 16 locations so that the water flow from each is a very small percentage of the flow in the main pipe so as to maintain constant pressure throughout the system. As it is the pressure drops after each discharge hole. You could start with a larger diameter pipe up front and reduce the diameter after each opening which, I think, is the accepted method. If all the holes are already drilled and the system is level, I would try turning all the discharge holes to the top of the pipe and use a very slow flow rate in order to fill the entire pipe and let it slowly run out over the pipe to keep the flow rate slow but hopefully stabilize the pressure along the whole length. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:42 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem Folks I need to apply equal amounts of water at 16 locations around a rectangular square made if 1/2" pvc pipe. (8 locations down each side and none on ends) The length of each side of the rectangle is 111" and the ends are 27". http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/?action=view¤t=dia gram.jpg One man told me to drill 1/4" holes at each of the 16 locations but I argued with him that the first few 1/4" holes located closest to the input of the water would get more water than the rest and he said it would not.....well they did. The first 4 holes on each side of the PVC closest to the inlet of the water shot out streams of water about 4" long and the last holes, the ones furthest away from the inlet of the water just dribbled water. I am only drilling holes down the length of the rectangle and none on the ends. The PVC pipe size is 1/2" and as stated above the length of each side is 111" long. I use a 5/8" water hose (it only has a 1/2" bore size) to bring water to the inlet of the rectangle. The bore size of the 1/2" pvc pipe is .485", almost 1/2". The water flow rate is 5 gpm per minute coming out of the end of the 5/8 hose. Can someone tell me how to plumb the rectangle in order to achieve an equal flow of water at each of the 16 drilled hole outlets. I would assume I will have to start out with small holes closest to the inlet and gradually get bigger towards the end opposite the inlet of the water. I just want the water to dribble out and not shoot out in streams and I need, as close as I can get it, equal amounts coming out at each of the 16 drilled locations. At each of these 16 locations there is a tomato plant. I am trying to calculate how long to leave the water on in order to be able to supply 1" of water to each plant as the tomato plants require 1" of water weekly and more during the hot months. I will appreciate any and all help on this. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From george at irontrader.com Tue Jun 2 21:40:59 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:40:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] EHOWT WAS (Re: Nuenen Show) References: <6f6025160906021545k4edbbf76sf41a14beb32c0555@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4227F7CF6B204546AD758CCC252D46A8@BLUE2> Jet lagged??? You should have seen us on Friday night! I had been up for 35 hours before getting to bed Friday night. We're all pretty well adjusted to the time now, but we're going until midnight almost every night. 11pm is an early night for us. Had a hard time finding a place to get dinner last night. Finally found a place that served dinner till 10pm and we got in just in time to order our meal. We've been having a ball on this trip and having great weather. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "Stationary-Engine" Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:45 PM Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Show > Just back home again after a fantastic weekend. > > Ferry trip both ways was very smooth and weather excellent, our son't > Land Rover had a bit of overheating trouble, but made it OK to the > show. > > Engine variety was very good, attendees from the UK was up to 48 from > 11 last year, we saw George, Arnie, Mike & Steve etc on the Sunday, > they looked a little jet lagged but were enjoying themselves. > > We took 6 engines, including one of our friends who came with us, and > subsequently sold 4 of those to a local WWII museum near Eindhoven. We > actually sold 3 and donated the fourth to the museum. > > Drove about 500 miles in all, plus the two Ferry sectors of 6-1/2 > hours each way. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MaytagTwin at aol.com Tue Jun 2 21:51:12 2009 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:51:12 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem Message-ID: Hi Paul, Get a handful of stainless sheet metal panhead screws that will thread into the holes you have made. Use your small pocket knife blade to make a notch in the side of each hole in the pvc that the panhead can just cover. Don't worry, if you make it too large just use a flat washer with the screw. Notch all the holes, install the screws, run the rectangle full of water and then begin adjusting the flow individually until you are satisfied. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, MO **************We found the real ?Hotel California? and the ?Seinfeld? diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew00000007) From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Wed Jun 3 00:35:04 2009 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:35:04 +0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem References: Message-ID: <54AE6CAEE934432EBAC718E963387E36@armstrong> hello Paul, Pascals law is " pressure is equal and undiminished in hydraulic circuit" but when you fit holes to it you get pressure drop due to the water flowing out the holes, 1/4" holes are to big, 1/16th" would be better. work out the area of a 1/4" hole multiplied by the number of holes is would be more than the 1/2" pipe in. Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > Folks I need to apply equal amounts of water at 16 locations around a > rectangular square made if 1/2" pvc pipe. (8 locations down each side and > none on ends) > > The length of each side of the rectangle is 111" and the ends are 27". > > http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/?action=view¤t=diagram.jpg > > One man told me to drill 1/4" holes at each of the 16 locations but I > argued with him that the first few 1/4" holes located closest to the input > of the water would get more water than the rest and he said it would > not.....well they did. The first 4 holes on each side of the PVC closest > to the inlet of the water shot out streams of water about 4" long and the > last holes, the ones furthest away from the inlet of the water just > dribbled water. > > I am only drilling holes down the length of the rectangle and none on the > ends. The PVC pipe size is 1/2" and as stated above the length of each > side is 111" long. > > I use a 5/8" water hose (it only has a 1/2" bore size) to bring water to > the inlet of the rectangle. The bore size of the 1/2" pvc pipe is .485", > almost 1/2". > > The water flow rate is 5 gpm per minute coming out of the end of the 5/8 > hose. > > Can someone tell me how to plumb the rectangle in order to achieve an > equal flow of water at each of the 16 drilled hole outlets. I would assume > I will have to start out with small holes closest to the inlet and > gradually get bigger towards the end opposite the inlet of the water. I > just want the water to dribble out and not shoot out in streams and I > need, as close as I can get it, equal amounts coming out at each of the 16 > drilled locations. > > At each of these 16 locations there is a tomato plant. I am trying to > calculate how long to leave the water on in order to be able to supply 1" > of water to each plant as the tomato plants require 1" of water weekly and > more during the hot months. > > I will appreciate any and all help on this. > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Wed Jun 3 01:02:14 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:02:14 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28294.203.39.62.50.1244016134.squirrel@www.emeraldscouts.org.au> Do the tomato leaves have five points? Hehehe... Anyway... why not use drip irrigation instead of flowing water? You can set the drippers to run at whatever rate you want. The pressure in the pipe keeps them all fairly equal. Regards Paul > At each of these 16 locations there is a tomato plant. I am trying to > calculate how long to leave the water on in order to be able to supply 1" > of water to each plant as the tomato plants require 1" of water weekly and > more during the hot months. > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 3 08:28:26 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:28:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem References: Message-ID: Thanks Bob. I have been told that 1 gallon of water will cover 230 cubic inches to a dept of 1". I measured my water flow from the end of the hose coming from my water faucet and it is 5 gpm per minute. I know that my actual bed size is 117.5" X 39.5" or 4641.3 cubic inches of soil surface. 1 gallon of water = 230 ci so I divide my total soil surface of 4641.3 by 230 which = 20.1 gallons of water needed to achieve a water penetration depth of 1" over my soil surface. Knowing that my flow rate is 5 GPM/minute I now divide the 20.1 gallons needed by 5 gpm/min (actual flow rate) and find I would need to leave the water on for 4 minutes in order to achieve a 1" depth of water penetration over the bed area. In order for this to work I will need to get an equal flow out of each of the dispensing holes or some parts of the bed will get more and some get less of the water. This is my problem, trying to achieve an equal amount of water out of each orifice. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Willman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > I would think that very very small holes at the 16 locations so that > the water flow from each is a very small percentage of the flow in the > main > pipe so as to maintain constant pressure throughout the system. As it is > the > pressure drops after each discharge hole. You could start with a larger > diameter pipe up front and reduce the diameter after each opening which, I > think, is the accepted method. > If all the holes are already drilled and the system is level, I > would try turning all the discharge holes to the top of the pipe and use a > very slow flow rate in order to fill the entire pipe and let it slowly run > out over the pipe to keep the flow rate slow but hopefully stabilize the > pressure along the whole length. > > > Bob Willman From enginepaul at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 08:29:19 2009 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:29:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0906030829q1ff2bc09xffbb24a9cd00d6f@mail.gmail.com> Paul: I'm getting into this a little late, but those are all good answers. I have a certificate in plumbing engineering but I haven't calculated anythings since we used pencil and paper. (I feel old) I'd look into a commercially available drip system first because the nozzles are probably adjustable. Next I'd try the smaller hole thing. If you do try to calculate the system, forget Pascal's Law for this system because there is a pressure drop at each hole and there is energy lost in the pipe; if there is an elevation change, that adds another calculation. You need the General Energy Equation and for accuracy, the friction coefficient of the pipe surface. Now, I'm not even sure about this and all my reference books are put away from my move, but the loss from a hard right angle will absorb some of the energy. If I find the books, I might try to figure this out for practice but if you want the fastest results, try the screws in the holes method because it will be a lot faster and should work. Oh yea, some water supplies from cities vary greatly during the day, so re-check your flow every now and then if it varies greatly. (That is why plumbing starts leaking at night) You got some smart people helping you here. (Other than me) Paul in California, heading to the store to buy foreign grown tomatoes. From kkinney at herculesengines.com Wed Jun 3 08:44:47 2009 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:44:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5722D54D-D6BA-46BB-921A-63277EA7897F@herculesengines.com> Paul Your 5 gpm I assume is from an unrestricted hose. As soon as you restrict the flow won't your gpm decrease thus voiding your calculations? Keith On Jun 3, 2009, at 10:28 AM, wrote: > Thanks Bob. > > I have been told that 1 gallon of water will cover 230 cubic inches > to a > dept of 1". I measured my water flow from the end of the hose coming > from my > water faucet and it is 5 gpm per minute. I know that my actual bed > size is > 117.5" X 39.5" or 4641.3 cubic inches of soil surface. 1 gallon of > water = > 230 ci so I divide my total soil surface of 4641.3 by 230 which = 20.1 > gallons of water needed to achieve a water penetration depth of 1" > over my > soil surface. Knowing that my flow rate is 5 GPM/minute I now divide > the > 20.1 gallons needed by 5 gpm/min (actual flow rate) and find I would > need to > leave the water on for 4 minutes in order to achieve a 1" depth of > water > penetration over the bed area. > > In order for this to work I will need to get an equal flow out of > each of > the dispensing holes or some parts of the bed will get more and some > get > less of the water. This is my problem, trying to achieve an equal > amount of > water out of each orifice. > > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Willman" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" engine.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > > >> I would think that very very small holes at the 16 locations so that >> the water flow from each is a very small percentage of the flow in >> the >> main >> pipe so as to maintain constant pressure throughout the system. As >> it is >> the >> pressure drops after each discharge hole. You could start with a >> larger >> diameter pipe up front and reduce the diameter after each opening >> which, I >> think, is the accepted method. >> If all the holes are already drilled and the system is level, I >> would try turning all the discharge holes to the top of the pipe >> and use a >> very slow flow rate in order to fill the entire pipe and let it >> slowly run >> out over the pipe to keep the flow rate slow but hopefully >> stabilize the >> pressure along the whole length. >> >> >> Bob Willman > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Jun 3 10:50:27 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:50:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul: I think what I'd do would be to use the PVC pipe as a manifold to which I would attach a number of irrigation drip heads. Go to a big box store and look at the Rainbird and other systems. You can get drip heads that can be used with 1/2" NPT (I think) PVC nipples which, in turn, are screwed into 1/2" NPT holes in the manifold. They are adjustable so you can balance the system close enough for Mother Nature. What, me engineer??!! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:28 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: MaytagTwin at aol.com; k_armstrong at arach.net.au > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water > Flow Problem From marinesurveys at msn.com Wed Jun 3 09:48:19 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:48:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Paul; Why not just use a soaker hose Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:28:26 -0600 > CC: MaytagTwin at aol.com; k_armstrong at arach.net.au > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > > Thanks Bob. > > I have been told that 1 gallon of water will cover 230 cubic inches to a > dept of 1". I measured my water flow from the end of the hose coming from my > water faucet and it is 5 gpm per minute. I know that my actual bed size is > 117.5" X 39.5" or 4641.3 cubic inches of soil surface. 1 gallon of water = > 230 ci so I divide my total soil surface of 4641.3 by 230 which = 20.1 > gallons of water needed to achieve a water penetration depth of 1" over my > soil surface. Knowing that my flow rate is 5 GPM/minute I now divide the > 20.1 gallons needed by 5 gpm/min (actual flow rate) and find I would need to > leave the water on for 4 minutes in order to achieve a 1" depth of water > penetration over the bed area. > > In order for this to work I will need to get an equal flow out of each of > the dispensing holes or some parts of the bed will get more and some get > less of the water. This is my problem, trying to achieve an equal amount of > water out of each orifice. > > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Willman" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > > > > I would think that very very small holes at the 16 locations so that > > the water flow from each is a very small percentage of the flow in the > > main > > pipe so as to maintain constant pressure throughout the system. As it is > > the > > pressure drops after each discharge hole. You could start with a larger > > diameter pipe up front and reduce the diameter after each opening which, I > > think, is the accepted method. > > If all the holes are already drilled and the system is level, I > > would try turning all the discharge holes to the top of the pipe and use a > > very slow flow rate in order to fill the entire pipe and let it slowly run > > out over the pipe to keep the flow rate slow but hopefully stabilize the > > pressure along the whole length. > > > > > > Bob Willman > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jun 3 11:12:21 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:12:21 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Another one lives./Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090603185443.018c1500@mail.atech.co.za> At 06:00 PM 03/06/2009, you wrote: >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:08:51 -0500 >From: "Elden DuRand" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Another one lives./Update > >Jerry: >Not being a Maytag expert, I'll jump in here anyway. >If the engine runs better with one plug shorted or with the gaps knocked >down, I'd suspect weak spark from misadjusted points, condenser(!) or bad coil. >Take care - Elden >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Thanks Elden, Every bit of info is something new that I learn from the list and I'm grateful for it. Weak spark is also my concern. As mentioned previously, I'm wondering if the spark from this Briggs coil is not as strong as the original Maytag coil. Some questions follow. I know that the points are correct for the Maytag. 0.020" checked and rechecked after turning over a few times (I did it a few times to be sure) - this is also the same setting that others doing this conversion have stuck to. What would be the effect of opening or closing this (ignition point) gap a few thou ? In my ignorance I assume that it would advance or retard the timing or would it have an effect on the "strength" of the spark as well ? I had not considered the condenser - I was assuming that if there was a spark then the condenser must be O.K. - Does a condenser get "weaker" as it ages or does it just "stop" working - would an old condenser make a difference to the strength of the spark (I'm showing my ignorance here). I'll add new condensers to my order to Mark. (Mark are you reading this - make that 2 for the twin and 1 for the single (92) thanks) but in the meanwhile could anyone tell me what "modern" condenser I could substitute as a test. Elden remember also, that I'm quite happy with the way it is running (did you look at the video) and maybe I'm just be expecting too much after what other people have said about it's smoothness. I think it's running great considering that it is not pulling a load but maybe there is something better (Arnie and Dave - as Peter mentioned - go away! :-)) The main problem I have at present is that it's hard to start with the kick starter - I can start it with the kickstarter when it's warmed up but not all that easily - it also starts easier (with the kick start) if I short one plug to earth ie. the full strength of the spark goes to one cylinder (or spark plug). I've still got it mounted on a bench so my arm must provide the "kickstart" power - I assume that my arm is not as powerful as the average 1940's midwestern housewives leg :-) Currently I'm starting it with an electric drill and it starts very easily after just a few revs. Elden, you mentioned that you were not familiar with the Maytag and for that reason allow my to explain the following which may influence your reply: The Maytag coil winding (the one that creates the spark - is that primary or secondary - I can never remember ?) is not earthed - both plugs fire at the same time - the "path" of the spark is as follows - from coil to first plug (the spark jumps the gap) and then using the engine block as a conductor (not ground) to the second plug (jumps the gap again) and thereafter back to the coil. Many people find this hard to understand (I'm one of them) but that is how it works. That's the reason that, if you short one plug straight to the block it is easier to start - the full "power" of the spark only has to jump one gap (not two). Shorting one plug lead to the block is not the same as removing a plug lead from one plug - doing that could build up too much tension in the coil and cause damage to it. Certain Briggs & Stratton, Wisconsin and Onan twin cylinder engines used the same system - which explains why I've used a Briggs coil. I've got other things to check on this engine as well but it's been a really nice learning experience so far. Thanks for your interest and help. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jun 3 14:20:31 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Another one lives./Update In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090603185443.018c1500@mail.atech.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090603185443.018c1500@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: <2308.165.206.180.130.1244064031.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Condensers can leak or be weak - they leak current through the inner insulation and thus don't hold or store as much energy as well. I'd close that gap a bit - give the coil more time to saturate. Closing the points means that they open a tad later after more lines of force have been able to move through the coil. give it a shot........ Bill > At 06:00 PM 03/06/2009, you wrote: >>Message: 2 >>Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:08:51 -0500 >>From: "Elden DuRand" >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Another one lives./Update >> >>Jerry: >>Not being a Maytag expert, I'll jump in here anyway. >>If the engine runs better with one plug shorted or with the gaps knocked >>down, I'd suspect weak spark from misadjusted points, condenser(!) or bad >> coil. >>Take care - Elden >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > Thanks Elden, > Every bit of info is something new that I learn from the list and > I'm grateful for it. > > Weak spark is also my concern. As mentioned previously, I'm > wondering if the spark from this Briggs coil is not as strong as the > original Maytag coil. Some questions follow. > > I know that the points are correct for the Maytag. 0.020" checked > and rechecked after turning over a few times (I did it a few times to be > sure) - this is also the same setting that others doing this conversion > have stuck to. > > What would be the effect of opening or closing this (ignition > point) gap a few thou ? In my ignorance I assume that it would advance or > retard the timing or would it have an effect on the "strength" of the > spark > as well ? > > I had not considered the condenser - I was assuming that if there > was a spark then the condenser must be O.K. - Does a condenser get > "weaker" > as it ages or does it just "stop" working - would an old condenser make a > difference to the strength of the spark (I'm showing my ignorance here). > > I'll add new condensers to my order to Mark. (Mark are you > reading > this - make that 2 for the twin and 1 for the single (92) thanks) but in > the meanwhile could anyone tell me what "modern" condenser I could > substitute as a test. > > Elden remember also, that I'm quite happy with the way it is > running (did you look at the video) and maybe I'm just be > expecting too much after what other people have said about it's > smoothness. > I think it's running great considering that it is not pulling a load but > maybe there is something better (Arnie and Dave - as Peter mentioned - go > away! :-)) > > The main problem I have at present is that it's hard to start > with > the kick starter - I can start it with the kickstarter when it's warmed up > but not all that easily - it also starts easier (with the kick start) if I > short one plug to earth ie. the full strength of the spark goes to one > cylinder (or spark plug). I've still got it mounted on a bench so my arm > must provide the "kickstart" power - I assume that my arm is not as > powerful as the average 1940's midwestern housewives leg :-) > Currently I'm starting it with an electric drill and it starts > very easily after just a few revs. > > Elden, you mentioned that you were not familiar with the Maytag > and for that reason allow my to explain the following which may influence > your reply: > The Maytag coil winding (the one that creates the spark - is that > primary or secondary - I can never remember ?) is not earthed - both plugs > fire at the same time - the "path" of the spark is as follows - from coil > to first plug (the spark jumps the gap) and then using the engine block as > a conductor (not ground) to the second plug (jumps the gap again) and > thereafter back to the coil. Many people find this hard to understand (I'm > one of them) but that is how it works. That's the reason that, if you > short > one plug straight to the block it is easier to start - the full "power" of > the spark only has to jump one gap (not two). Shorting one plug lead to > the > block is not the same as removing a plug lead from one plug - doing that > could build up too much tension in the coil and cause damage to it. > Certain > Briggs & Stratton, Wisconsin and Onan twin cylinder engines used the same > system - which explains why I've used a Briggs coil. > > I've got other things to check on this engine as well but it's > been a really nice learning experience so far. > > Thanks for your interest and help. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Jun 3 18:28:02 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:28:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Another one lives./Update In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090603185443.018c1500@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: I'll try to answer your questions without quoting all of your message. > Weak spark is also my concern. As > mentioned previously, I'm > wondering if the spark from this Briggs coil is > not as strong as the > original Maytag coil. The magnets on the flywheel may be weak. Also, if the shape of the pole pieces on the coil where the magnets pass don't pretty much exactly match the flywheel, the spark will be poor. Gap between the magnets and the coil should be about the thickness of a business card. > What would be the effect of opening or > closing this (ignition > point) gap a few thou ? Yes, the timing would be affected but the point gap (dwell) could have some effect on the output of the coil. > I had not considered the condenser - I > was assuming that if there > was a spark then the condenser must be O.K. - Condensers are prone to the effects of aging. The dielectric (internal insulation) can break down, making the condenser more like a resistor - not good! A substitute is easy to get. Just go into your auto parts junque box and find a condenser for any point-coil-battery sy Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > I'll add new condensers to my order to > Mark. (Mark are you reading > this - make that 2 for the twin and 1 for the > single (92) thanks) but in > the meanwhile could anyone tell me what "modern" > condenser I could > substitute as a test. > > Elden remember also, that I'm quite > happy with the way it is > running (did you look at the > video) and maybe I'm just be > expecting too much after what other people have > said about it's smoothness. > I think it's running great considering that it is > not pulling a load but > maybe there is something better (Arnie and Dave - > as Peter mentioned - go > away! :-)) > > The main problem I have at present is > that it's hard to start with > the kick starter - I can start it with the > kickstarter when it's warmed up > but not all that easily - it also starts easier > (with the kick start) if I > short one plug to earth ie. the full strength of > the spark goes to one > cylinder (or spark plug). I've still got it > mounted on a bench so my arm > must provide the "kickstart" power - I assume > that my arm is not as > powerful as the average 1940's midwestern > housewives leg :-) > Currently I'm starting it with an > electric drill and it starts > very easily after just a few revs. > > Elden, you mentioned that you were not > familiar with the Maytag > and for that reason allow my to explain the > following which may influence > your reply: > The Maytag coil winding (the one that > creates the spark - is that > primary or secondary - I can never remember ?) is > not earthed - both plugs > fire at the same time - the "path" of the spark > is as follows - from coil > to first plug (the spark jumps the gap) and then > using the engine block as > a conductor (not ground) to the second plug > (jumps the gap again) and > thereafter back to the coil. Many people find > this hard to understand (I'm > one of them) but that is how it works. That's the > reason that, if you short > one plug straight to the block it is easier to > start - the full "power" of > the spark only has to jump one gap (not two). > Shorting one plug lead to the > block is not the same as removing a plug lead > from one plug - doing that > could build up too much tension in the coil and > cause damage to it. Certain > Briggs & Stratton, Wisconsin and Onan twin > cylinder engines used the same > system - which explains why I've used a Briggs coil. > > I've got other things to check on this > engine as well but it's > been a really nice learning experience so far. > > Thanks for your interest and help. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Wed Jun 3 19:49:00 2009 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:49:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] 1 1/5 HP Stinkney Message-ID: Need a little help on what a 1 1/2 HP Stinkney is worth and about the year of the engine. Serial number around 6450 or so and the flywheels have solid balance between 2 spokes. Thanks KK **************Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222616459x1201464730/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.d oubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215218145%3B37264238%3Bd) From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Jun 3 20:58:04 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:58:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 1 1/5 HP Stinkney In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3AFBA4C7A6E4424D9C0589D0FA027679@larue10ijlvccx> Kevin, Not many of them around. I had a nice one that I traded off and if you'll send me a message off list I'll discuss the value with you. Here's some photos of my engine: http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/15HPStickney# Like a dummy I had a gent catch me at a weak moment and talked me out of it. My engine was the only one that had the original fuel pump on it. I loaned the pump to Jim Zook and he had 3 or 4 of them made for folks that needed them. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:49 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] 1 1/5 HP Stinkney Need a little help on what a 1 1/2 HP Stinkney is worth and about the year of the engine. Serial number around 6450 or so and the flywheels have solid balance between 2 spokes. Thanks KK **************Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222616459x1201464730/aol?redir =http:%2F%2Fad.d oubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215218145%3B37264238%3Bd) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.30/2115 - Release Date: 06/03/09 18:00:00 From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Thu Jun 4 06:39:00 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:39:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Does anyone have a current email address for Leroy Clarke? Message-ID: <4A27CE74.7050607@steamengine.com.au> Does anyone have a current email address for Leroy Clarke? Phone number would be ok too. Thanks Paul From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Jun 4 07:17:43 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:17:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Does anyone have a current email address for Leroy Clarke? In-Reply-To: <4A27CE74.7050607@steamengine.com.au> References: <4A27CE74.7050607@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <20090604141743.C65C533C03D8@mail06.wcoil.com> I have not used this number in a while but this is what I have. 419.310.2557 Seen him and his family last Friday at the VFW Fish fry in Ada. TTYL, Mark At 09:39 AM 6/4/2009, you wrote: >Does anyone have a current email address for Leroy Clarke? > >Phone number would be ok too. > >Thanks >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.53/2154 - Release Date: >06/04/09 05:53:00 Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Jun 4 07:21:33 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:21:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Does anyone have a current email address for Leroy Clarke? Message-ID: <20090604142133.8CD0D3E4745@mail05.wcoil.com> I have not used this email either in a while but this is what I have. "Leroy" 419.310.2557 TTYL, Mark At 09:39 AM 6/4/2009, you wrote: >Does anyone have a current email address for Leroy Clarke? > >Phone number would be ok too. > >Thanks >Paul >_______________________________________________ Mark Shulaw Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601 USA From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Jun 4 09:11:43 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:11:43 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59304.168.215.206.73.1244131903.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Paul, You got the answer you needed from Kevin Armstrong in Oz concerning area of the header and combined area of the small holes. My garden rows are straight and about 40' long. Years ago I made an irrigation pipe to quickly (why soaker hoses are useless) irrigate each row. Made the 40' length of 1" PVC pipe. I drilled a hole every foot, so there were 40 holes. The holes are all 1/8" diameter. The total area of the 40, 1/8" holes is about 1/2 of the cross sectional area of the 1" PVC header. This irrigation pipe works beautifully. I put the pipe on a row, run it a few minutes until water is puddling, and then pull the pipe 6" and let it run another few minutes. I have the same 5 GPM source you have. Someone mentioned 1/16" holes. No good. Even with the 1/8" holes, I occasionally have to take a pine needle or something and "rod" a few of the holes to re-establish good flow. You are close on your 230. It is 231 cu inches to the gallon. 1 gallon will cover 230 SQUARE inches to a depth of 1" In summary, make your header out of large diameter pipe (1") and the holes small (1/8"). Don't worry so much about the time. Just hook up the hose, and by the time you've finished a cold one, your 'mater roots will be wet enough. Last, you might consider turning the holes up. I run mine this way so you have an instant visual if a hole is partially plugged. In your case, a rectangular header as I recall you said, it will also make cleaning out a plugged hole much easier. The water spurts up about 10 to 12" at the most Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. All this assumes your garden plot is level. > Thanks Bob. > > I have been told that 1 gallon of water will cover 230 cubic inches to a > dept of 1". I measured my water flow from the end of the hose coming from > my > water faucet and it is 5 gpm per minute. I know that my actual bed size is > 117.5" X 39.5" or 4641.3 cubic inches of soil surface. 1 gallon of water = > 230 ci so I divide my total soil surface of 4641.3 by 230 which = 20.1 > gallons of water needed to achieve a water penetration depth of 1" over my > soil surface. Knowing that my flow rate is 5 GPM/minute I now divide the > 20.1 gallons needed by 5 gpm/min (actual flow rate) and find I would need > to > leave the water on for 4 minutes in order to achieve a 1" depth of water > penetration over the bed area. > > In order for this to work I will need to get an equal flow out of each of > the dispensing holes or some parts of the bed will get more and some get > less of the water. This is my problem, trying to achieve an equal amount > of > water out of each orifice. > > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Willman" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > > >> I would think that very very small holes at the 16 locations so that >> the water flow from each is a very small percentage of the flow in the >> main >> pipe so as to maintain constant pressure throughout the system. As it is >> the >> pressure drops after each discharge hole. You could start with a larger >> diameter pipe up front and reduce the diameter after each opening which, >> I >> think, is the accepted method. >> If all the holes are already drilled and the system is level, I >> would try turning all the discharge holes to the top of the pipe and use >> a >> very slow flow rate in order to fill the entire pipe and let it slowly >> run >> out over the pipe to keep the flow rate slow but hopefully stabilize the >> pressure along the whole length. >> >> >> Bob Willman > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rbackus at ogdenpubs.com Thu Jun 4 11:20:34 2009 From: rbackus at ogdenpubs.com (Richard Backus) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:20:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Restore an old Echo chain saw? Message-ID: Hey guys. I was approached the other day by one of the representatives for Echo-USA in Illinois, where they make chain saws, trimmers, etc... They want to restore about 8 old engines for a small "museum" they want to set up in their building. The engines include one of the first US Echo chain saws (from the late 1970s) and one of the first Kyoritsu stationary engines, built in the late 1950s. Kyoritsu was the parent company of Echo. You can see the engines in a blog I posted on SteamTraction.com, just follow this link: http://www.farmcollector.com/gaining-traction-steam-traction-engines-on- TV.aspx Anyway, they're looking for someone to work with them on their restoration projects, so if anyone's interested, contact me directly and I'll put you in touch. Also, if you check out the blog, you'll discover I was also contacted by a TV production company about a possible restoration project show. The details of that appear at the beginning of the blog, and again, if anyone's interested or knows someone who should be, contact me directly. I can't really speak to the TV idea, because I don't really know anything about the folks, but the Echo restoration project is a straight ahead deal. Richard Backus/Gas Engine Magazine From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jun 4 12:41:53 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:41:53 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090604183927.01f7ac90@mail.atech.co.za> At 06:00 PM 04/06/2009, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:50:27 -0500 >From: "Elden DuRand" >Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem >Paul: >I think what I'd do would be to use the PVC pipe as a manifold to which I >would attach a number of irrigation drip heads. > >Go to a big box store and look at the Rainbird and other systems. You can >get drip heads that can be used with 1/2" NPT (I think) PVC nipples which, >in turn, are screwed into 1/2" NPT holes in the manifold. >They are adjustable so you can balance the system close enough for Mother >Nature. >What, me engineer??!! >Take care - Elden >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand Hi Paul, I'm getting into this thread a bit late but have been following it. It would appear that you are following plans from some "Greenie Magazine" :-) - have the Tomato plants read the same article ? I liked Ron Carolls answer as well as many others. If I remember correctly (I'm not going to read all the replies again) you have 2 main pipes going down the length (which is not very long) and they are closed on the ends. This is what I would do: 1) I would use a slightly bigger pipe for these lengthwise pipes (lets just say 3/4") (it reduces friction and increases volume) (I also think that at the volume/pressure you are using that this will not make any appreciable difference to the tomato plants) and I would NOT have them closed at the end - I would join them (maybe with another piece of the same size pipe) which would in effect give you a "circuit" ie. (with no holes yet) the pressure would be equal throughout the circuit. 2) Then drill your holes (but I prefer the adjustable microjet nozzles or Ron Carrol's idea using screws and washers). When deciding on the size holes (assuming you are NOT using aforementioned adjustable microjet nozzles) you should drill go for something like this. i) The "area" of the inlet pipe. (I'm going to change to metric here - it's easier for me to work out but the principle is exactly the same.) 3/4" inch pipe is (as near as dammit) 19mm pipe. (I'm also going to use this as an internal measurement for the sake of not letting this turn into an encyclopaedia). The mathematical formula for working out the "area" of a circle is "pi" X radius squared) (I do not know how to write this correctly on my keyboard). Now I'll try to explain this as easily as possible (apologies to all others for this "long winded explanation"). To all you guys who understand these things I do apologise but I'm gonna try to explain this thing in a way that someone who does not understand will get the picture. "pi" is a mathematical formula described by some ancient Greek - you do not need to know how he arrived at it - just use it. Roughly it is (22 divided by seven) or "the answer" (3.1428571) Your 19mm pipe has an internal diameter of 19mm (surprise). So the "area" of this opening is ("pi" X (times) the radius) (if the diameter is 19 mm then the radius is half of that or 9.5 mm This equals pi (22 divided by seven) or 3.1428571) multiplied by the radius of the 19mm pipe 3.1428571 x 9.5(the radius - or 1/2 of the diameter of the pipe) equals 29.857 (unless my cheap Taiwanese calculator is lying to me). This is the delivery area of your pipe. 29.857 Now divide this by the number of "delivery points" that you need. In your case you mentioned 16 (tomato plants). So divide the answer above by 16 - ie. 29.857 divided by 16 = 1.8660625. and this will give you your answer for the area of the holes you need. Now you need to convert this "area" back to a diameter (so you know what size drill to use). Now, for tonight, I've forgotten the formula needed here so I will use "Google" (to work out the "diameter of a circle" from the area"). This gave me an answer of "1.5414099285872527" - If "Google" was correct then you need to drill all your holes "1.5 mm". What I would do is to drill these holes approximately half of this size and put a bucket under any one of the holes and measure how long it takes to provide your required amount of water (always trying to bear in mind that the tomato plants have read the same article.) It's more accurate to have "half size" holes and leave the tap (faucet) open for twice as long. Sometimes "maths" or "science" can baffle us all - have the tomato plants also read this article? Now, the above method will only work if your delivery (where the water comes from) pressure is always exactly the same. Do you really think that the tomato plants give a damn? Understand that this answer will only be relevant if your water pressure is always exactly the same ie. "all things being equal". Paul, I've been there, done that and bought the "t"shirt. Fresh "homegrown" veggies are really great and they are also "so green". But, at the end of the day, they will always cost you more than you can buy them for at the local vegetable shop. The reason is that you will grow veggies "in season" at the same time as the "big producers" put theirs on the market. Unless you are planning to produce "out of season" (which involves major investment in greenhouses and similar) you will not win financially. Just my opinion. Be prepared to have that "They came from my garden" expression cost you Bucks. Jerry Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From rotigel at me.com Thu Jun 4 14:08:28 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:08:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090604183927.01f7ac90@mail.atech.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090604183927.01f7ac90@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: I just LOVE the TOTAL BS of this thread. I plant about 5-6 doz. tomato plants each year and have NEVER given any thought to watering them-- that's what rain is for. I would think I get 30-40 bu. a year and give the vast majority away. Dave PS, I do hope this thread continues. Jennie says I easier to get along with when I laugh so hard that my sides hurt every evening! PPS, doG save us from "Greenie Magazines!" PPPS, Paul, I pretty sure you can get a stimulus grant from POTUS for this project! On Jun 4, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > At 06:00 PM 04/06/2009, you wrote: >> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:50:27 -0500 >> From: "Elden DuRand" >> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem >> Paul: >> I think what I'd do would be to use the PVC pipe as a manifold to >> which I >> would attach a number of irrigation drip heads. >> >> Go to a big box store and look at the Rainbird and other systems. >> You can >> get drip heads that can be used with 1/2" NPT (I think) PVC nipples >> which, >> in turn, are screwed into 1/2" NPT holes in the manifold. >> They are adjustable so you can balance the system close enough for >> Mother >> Nature. >> What, me engineer??!! >> Take care - Elden >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > Hi Paul, > I'm getting into this thread a bit late but have been > following > it. It would appear that you are following plans from some "Greenie > Magazine" :-) - have the Tomato plants read the same article ? > I liked Ron Carolls answer as well as many others. > If I remember correctly (I'm not going to read all the replies > again) you have 2 main pipes going down the length (which is not > very long) > and they are closed on the ends. > > This is what I would do: > > 1) I would use a slightly bigger pipe for these lengthwise > pipes > (lets just say 3/4") (it reduces friction and increases volume) (I > also > think that at the volume/pressure you are using that this will not > make any > appreciable difference to the tomato plants) and I would NOT have them > closed at the end - I would join them (maybe with another piece of > the same > size pipe) which would in effect give you a "circuit" ie. (with no > holes > yet) the pressure would be equal throughout the circuit. > 2) Then drill your holes (but I prefer the adjustable microjet > nozzles or Ron Carrol's idea using screws and washers). When > deciding on > the size holes (assuming you are NOT using aforementioned adjustable > microjet nozzles) you should drill go for something like this. > i) The "area" of the inlet pipe. (I'm going to change to > metric > here - it's easier for me to work out but the principle is exactly the > same.) 3/4" inch pipe is (as near as dammit) 19mm pipe. (I'm also > going to > use this as an internal measurement for the sake of not letting this > turn > into an encyclopaedia). > The mathematical formula for working out the "area" of a > circle is > "pi" X radius squared) (I do not know how to write this correctly on > my > keyboard). > Now I'll try to explain this as easily as possible > (apologies to > all others for this "long winded explanation"). > To all you guys who understand these things I do apologise > but I'm > gonna try to explain this thing in a way that someone who does not > understand will get the picture. > "pi" is a mathematical formula described by some ancient > Greek - > you do not need to know how he arrived at it - just use it. Roughly > it is > (22 divided by seven) or "the answer" (3.1428571) > Your 19mm pipe has an internal diameter of 19mm (surprise). > So the > "area" of this opening is ("pi" X (times) the radius) (if the > diameter is > 19 mm then the radius is half of that or 9.5 mm > This equals pi (22 divided by seven) or 3.1428571) > multiplied by > the radius of the 19mm pipe > 3.1428571 x 9.5(the radius - or 1/2 of the diameter of the > pipe) > equals 29.857 (unless my cheap Taiwanese calculator is lying to me). > This > is the delivery area of your pipe. 29.857 > Now divide this by the number of "delivery points" that you > need. > In your case you mentioned 16 (tomato plants). So divide the answer > above > by 16 - ie. 29.857 divided by 16 = 1.8660625. and this will give you > your > answer for the area of the holes you need. Now you need to convert > this > "area" back to a diameter (so you know what size drill to use). Now, > for > tonight, I've forgotten the formula needed here so I will use > "Google" (to > work out the "diameter of a circle" from the area"). > This gave me an answer of "1.5414099285872527" - If "Google" > was > correct then you need to drill all your holes "1.5 mm". > What I would do is to drill these holes approximately half > of this > size and put a bucket under any one of the holes and measure how > long it > takes to provide your required amount of water (always trying to > bear in > mind that the tomato plants have read the same article.) It's more > accurate > to have "half size" holes and leave the tap (faucet) open for twice > as long. > Sometimes "maths" or "science" can baffle us all - have the > tomato > plants also read this article? > Now, the above method will only work if your delivery (where > the > water comes from) pressure is always exactly the same. Do you really > think > that the tomato plants give a damn? > > Understand that this answer will only be relevant if your water > pressure is > always exactly the same ie. "all things being equal". > > Paul, I've been there, done that and bought the "t"shirt. > Fresh > "homegrown" veggies are really great and they are also "so green". > But, at > the end of the day, they will always cost you more than you can buy > them > for at the local vegetable shop. The reason is that you will grow > veggies > "in season" at the same time as the "big producers" put theirs on the > market. Unless you are planning to produce "out of season" (which > involves > major investment in greenhouses and similar) you will not win > financially. > Just my opinion. Be prepared to have that "They came from my > garden" expression cost you Bucks. > Jerry > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Thu Jun 4 15:00:10 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:00:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090604183927.01f7ac90@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: On Jun 4, 2009, at 2:08 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > I just LOVE the TOTAL BS of this thread. You mean, Dave, the Emperor is... naked? Seriously, dude, it doesn't rain here in the summer, so we have to water. After the plants are established, we water them after the ground gets dry. That means less water when the temps are mild, more water when the temps are hot. If the leaves start to wilt, they need more water. If the ground is damp, they need less water. The only time we would water them daily is during the three weeks when it's really hot. More water than that, and the plants will produce less fruit and it will all be bland. From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Jun 4 15:05:24 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:05:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090604183927.01f7ac90@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: <20090604220524.CEAF63C06ED@mail02.wcoil.com> Dave, "In our region" I am with you, no water for Tomato plants. Watering just promotes shallow root development. Water the hole when planted and leave the rest to the rain. Mark At 05:08 PM 6/4/2009, you wrote: >I just LOVE the TOTAL BS of this thread. I plant about 5-6 doz. tomato >plants each year and have NEVER given any thought to watering them-- >that's what rain is for. I would think I get 30-40 bu. a year and give >the vast majority away. > Dave >PS, I do hope this thread continues. Jennie says I easier to get along >with when I laugh so hard that my sides hurt every evening! >PPS, doG save us from "Greenie Magazines!" >PPPS, Paul, I pretty sure you can get a stimulus grant from POTUS for >this project! > >On Jun 4, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > > > At 06:00 PM 04/06/2009, you wrote: > >> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:50:27 -0500 > >> From: "Elden DuRand" > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > >> Paul: > >> I think what I'd do would be to use the PVC pipe as a manifold to > >> which I > >> would attach a number of irrigation drip heads. > >> > >> Go to a big box store and look at the Rainbird and other systems. > >> You can > >> get drip heads that can be used with 1/2" NPT (I think) PVC nipples > >> which, > >> in turn, are screwed into 1/2" NPT holes in the manifold. > >> They are adjustable so you can balance the system close enough for > >> Mother > >> Nature. > >> What, me engineer??!! > >> Take care - Elden > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > Hi Paul, > > I'm getting into this thread a bit late but have been > > following > > it. It would appear that you are following plans from some "Greenie > > Magazine" :-) - have the Tomato plants read the same article ? > > I liked Ron Carolls answer as well as many others. > > If I remember correctly (I'm not going to read all the replies > > again) you have 2 main pipes going down the length (which is not > > very long) > > and they are closed on the ends. > > > > This is what I would do: > > > > 1) I would use a slightly bigger pipe for these lengthwise > > pipes > > (lets just say 3/4") (it reduces friction and increases volume) (I > > also > > think that at the volume/pressure you are using that this will not > > make any > > appreciable difference to the tomato plants) and I would NOT have them > > closed at the end - I would join them (maybe with another piece of > > the same > > size pipe) which would in effect give you a "circuit" ie. (with no > > holes > > yet) the pressure would be equal throughout the circuit. > > 2) Then drill your holes (but I prefer the adjustable microjet > > nozzles or Ron Carrol's idea using screws and washers). When > > deciding on > > the size holes (assuming you are NOT using aforementioned adjustable > > microjet nozzles) you should drill go for something like this. > > i) The "area" of the inlet pipe. (I'm going to change to > > metric > > here - it's easier for me to work out but the principle is exactly the > > same.) 3/4" inch pipe is (as near as dammit) 19mm pipe. (I'm also > > going to > > use this as an internal measurement for the sake of not letting this > > turn > > into an encyclopaedia). > > The mathematical formula for working out the "area" of a > > circle is > > "pi" X radius squared) (I do not know how to write this correctly on > > my > > keyboard). > > Now I'll try to explain this as easily as possible > > (apologies to > > all others for this "long winded explanation"). > > To all you guys who understand these things I do apologise > > but I'm > > gonna try to explain this thing in a way that someone who does not > > understand will get the picture. > > "pi" is a mathematical formula described by some ancient > > Greek - > > you do not need to know how he arrived at it - just use it. Roughly > > it is > > (22 divided by seven) or "the answer" (3.1428571) > > Your 19mm pipe has an internal diameter of 19mm (surprise). > > So the > > "area" of this opening is ("pi" X (times) the radius) (if the > > diameter is > > 19 mm then the radius is half of that or 9.5 mm > > This equals pi (22 divided by seven) or 3.1428571) > > multiplied by > > the radius of the 19mm pipe > > 3.1428571 x 9.5(the radius - or 1/2 of the diameter of the > > pipe) > > equals 29.857 (unless my cheap Taiwanese calculator is lying to me). > > This > > is the delivery area of your pipe. 29.857 > > Now divide this by the number of "delivery points" that you > > need. > > In your case you mentioned 16 (tomato plants). So divide the answer > > above > > by 16 - ie. 29.857 divided by 16 = 1.8660625. and this will give you > > your > > answer for the area of the holes you need. Now you need to convert > > this > > "area" back to a diameter (so you know what size drill to use). Now, > > for > > tonight, I've forgotten the formula needed here so I will use > > "Google" (to > > work out the "diameter of a circle" from the area"). > > This gave me an answer of "1.5414099285872527" - If "Google" > > was > > correct then you need to drill all your holes "1.5 mm". > > What I would do is to drill these holes approximately half > > of this > > size and put a bucket under any one of the holes and measure how > > long it > > takes to provide your required amount of water (always trying to > > bear in > > mind that the tomato plants have read the same article.) It's more > > accurate > > to have "half size" holes and leave the tap (faucet) open for twice > > as long. > > Sometimes "maths" or "science" can baffle us all - have the > > tomato > > plants also read this article? > > Now, the above method will only work if your delivery (where > > the > > water comes from) pressure is always exactly the same. Do you really > > think > > that the tomato plants give a damn? > > > > Understand that this answer will only be relevant if your water > > pressure is > > always exactly the same ie. "all things being equal". > > > > Paul, I've been there, done that and bought the "t"shirt. > > Fresh > > "homegrown" veggies are really great and they are also "so green". > > But, at > > the end of the day, they will always cost you more than you can buy > > them > > for at the local vegetable shop. The reason is that you will grow > > veggies > > "in season" at the same time as the "big producers" put theirs on the > > market. Unless you are planning to produce "out of season" (which > > involves > > major investment in greenhouses and similar) you will not win > > financially. > > Just my opinion. Be prepared to have that "They came from my > > garden" expression cost you Bucks. > > Jerry > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > Jerry Evans > > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.53/2155 - Release Date: >06/04/09 17:55:00 From rotigel at me.com Thu Jun 4 16:02:51 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:02:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090604183927.01f7ac90@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: <690AB6F8-BEF4-47B0-A59A-8F45427C1041@me.com> Hi Rob, Have you ever "worried" about the number of cubic inches of water each of your plants get every 31.648219 hours? Dave PS "If the leaves start to wilt, they need more water. If the ground is damp, they need less water."--How the hell long did it take you figure that one out? (You really need to ask Kelley about these things!) PPS, Are you OK? Are you still seeing that college professor across the street? On Jun 4, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > On Jun 4, 2009, at 2:08 PM, David Rotigel wrote: >> I just LOVE the TOTAL BS of this thread. > > > You mean, Dave, the Emperor is... naked? > > Seriously, dude, it doesn't rain here in the summer, so we have to > water. After the plants are established, we water them after the > ground gets dry. That means less water when the temps are mild, more > water when the temps are hot. If the leaves start to wilt, they need > more water. If the ground is damp, they need less water. The only > time we would water them daily is during the three weeks when it's > really hot. More water than that, and the plants will produce less > fruit and it will all be bland. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Thu Jun 4 17:49:57 2009 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:49:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090604204957.WE98U.3870188.root@mp14> ---- David Rotigel wrote: > I just LOVE the TOTAL BS of this thread. I plant about 5-6 doz. tomato > plants each year and have NEVER given any thought to watering them-- > that's what rain is for. I would think I get 30-40 bu. a year and give > the vast majority away. > Dave Dave, you probably get your plants from a farmer. Sounds like Paul has some of those college grown tomatoes, they can't make it on their own. J.B. Castagnos From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Jun 4 21:37:19 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:37:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: <20090604220524.CEAF63C06ED@mail02.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <4EACCB6D03AA418793703E42513231CC@larue10ijlvccx> Heck guys I have to put umbrellas over mine to keep the rain from washing them out of the ground. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Dave, "In our region" I am with you, no water for Tomato plants. Watering just promotes shallow root development. Water the hole when planted and leave the rest to the rain. Mark At 05:08 PM 6/4/2009, you wrote: >I just LOVE the TOTAL BS of this thread. I plant about 5-6 doz. tomato >plants each year and have NEVER given any thought to watering them-- >that's what rain is for. I would think I get 30-40 bu. a year and give >the vast majority away. > Dave >PS, I do hope this thread continues. Jennie says I easier to get along >with when I laugh so hard that my sides hurt every evening! >PPS, doG save us from "Greenie Magazines!" >PPPS, Paul, I pretty sure you can get a stimulus grant from POTUS for >this project! > >On Jun 4, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > > > At 06:00 PM 04/06/2009, you wrote: > >> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:50:27 -0500 > >> From: "Elden DuRand" > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > >> Paul: > >> I think what I'd do would be to use the PVC pipe as a manifold to > >> which I > >> would attach a number of irrigation drip heads. > >> > >> Go to a big box store and look at the Rainbird and other systems. > >> You can > >> get drip heads that can be used with 1/2" NPT (I think) PVC nipples > >> which, > >> in turn, are screwed into 1/2" NPT holes in the manifold. > >> They are adjustable so you can balance the system close enough for > >> Mother > >> Nature. > >> What, me engineer??!! > >> Take care - Elden > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > From rotigel at me.com Thu Jun 4 22:30:03 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:30:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: <4EACCB6D03AA418793703E42513231CC@larue10ijlvccx> References: <4EACCB6D03AA418793703E42513231CC@larue10ijlvccx> Message-ID: <6453FA07-6A46-4A28-A823-FBCC31CE5B4A@me.com> I have found over the many years that I've grown a garden that all a person needs are to have lived a good life. This, basically determines how your plants will grow. I feel sorry for those who need more and can not figure out the why of it! Dave PS, A man died today who could have unlocked all this for us! On Jun 5, 2009, at 12:37 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Heck guys I have to put umbrellas over mine to keep the rain from > washing them out of the ground. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > Dave, "In our region" I am with you, no water for Tomato plants. > Watering just promotes shallow root development. Water the hole when > planted and leave the rest to the rain. Mark > > > At 05:08 PM 6/4/2009, you wrote: >> I just LOVE the TOTAL BS of this thread. I plant about 5-6 doz. >> tomato >> plants each year and have NEVER given any thought to watering them-- >> that's what rain is for. I would think I get 30-40 bu. a year and >> give >> the vast majority away. >> Dave >> PS, I do hope this thread continues. Jennie says I easier to get >> along >> with when I laugh so hard that my sides hurt every evening! >> PPS, doG save us from "Greenie Magazines!" >> PPPS, Paul, I pretty sure you can get a stimulus grant from POTUS for >> this project! >> >> On Jun 4, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: >> >>> At 06:00 PM 04/06/2009, you wrote: >>>> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:50:27 -0500 >>>> From: "Elden DuRand" >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem >>>> Paul: >>>> I think what I'd do would be to use the PVC pipe as a manifold to >>>> which I >>>> would attach a number of irrigation drip heads. >>>> >>>> Go to a big box store and look at the Rainbird and other systems. >>>> You can >>>> get drip heads that can be used with 1/2" NPT (I think) PVC nipples >>>> which, >>>> in turn, are screwed into 1/2" NPT holes in the manifold. >>>> They are adjustable so you can balance the system close enough for >>>> Mother >>>> Nature. >>>> What, me engineer??!! >>>> Take care - Elden >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Thu Jun 4 22:34:32 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:34:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: <4EACCB6D03AA418793703E42513231CC@larue10ijlvccx> References: <4EACCB6D03AA418793703E42513231CC@larue10ijlvccx> Message-ID: <6E55B6B9-07E5-448C-B60C-DABC44390565@me.com> YES, but you have the resources to hire those nude broads to hold the umbrellas. How about pictures during the next rain? Dave On Jun 5, 2009, at 12:37 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Heck guys I have to put umbrellas over mine to keep the rain from > washing them out of the ground. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > Dave, "In our region" I am with you, no water for Tomato plants. > Watering just promotes shallow root development. Water the hole when > planted and leave the rest to the rain. Mark > > > At 05:08 PM 6/4/2009, you wrote: >> I just LOVE the TOTAL BS of this thread. I plant about 5-6 doz. >> tomato >> plants each year and have NEVER given any thought to watering them-- >> that's what rain is for. I would think I get 30-40 bu. a year and >> give >> the vast majority away. >> Dave >> PS, I do hope this thread continues. Jennie says I easier to get >> along >> with when I laugh so hard that my sides hurt every evening! >> PPS, doG save us from "Greenie Magazines!" >> PPPS, Paul, I pretty sure you can get a stimulus grant from POTUS for >> this project! >> >> On Jun 4, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: >> >>> At 06:00 PM 04/06/2009, you wrote: >>>> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:50:27 -0500 >>>> From: "Elden DuRand" >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem >>>> Paul: >>>> I think what I'd do would be to use the PVC pipe as a manifold to >>>> which I >>>> would attach a number of irrigation drip heads. >>>> >>>> Go to a big box store and look at the Rainbird and other systems. >>>> You can >>>> get drip heads that can be used with 1/2" NPT (I think) PVC nipples >>>> which, >>>> in turn, are screwed into 1/2" NPT holes in the manifold. >>>> They are adjustable so you can balance the system close enough for >>>> Mother >>>> Nature. >>>> What, me engineer??!! >>>> Take care - Elden >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Thu Jun 4 22:35:42 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:35:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: <6453FA07-6A46-4A28-A823-FBCC31CE5B4A@me.com> References: <4EACCB6D03AA418793703E42513231CC@larue10ijlvccx> <6453FA07-6A46-4A28-A823-FBCC31CE5B4A@me.com> Message-ID: <132857EF-02C8-43D4-9CF4-568C961DCF8D@rustyiron.com> On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:30 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > I have found over the many years that I've grown a garden that all a > person needs are to have lived a good life. This, basically determines > how your plants will grow. I feel sorry for those who need more and > can not figure out the why of it! > Dave > PS, A man died today who could have unlocked all this for us! What does a has-been actor from the 1970's who was on a sex holiday in Thailand and died of auto-erotic asphyxiation have to do with growing tomatoes... or... dare I say it... ENGINES? From curt at rustyiron.com Fri Jun 5 05:19:23 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 06:19:23 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090604183927.01f7ac90@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: <59280.168.215.206.73.1244204363.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> You can tell someone who has never lived in the south! Until this year we have been in drought for 5 years. The last few summers there have been month long stretches with NO rain at all. Mother Nature is making it up to us this spring/summer! Lake Hartwell is still down about 15'. Curt > I just LOVE the TOTAL BS of this thread. I plant about 5-6 doz. tomato > plants each year and have NEVER given any thought to watering them-- > that's what rain is for. I would think I get 30-40 bu. a year and give > the vast majority away. > Dave > PS, I do hope this thread continues. Jennie says I easier to get along > with when I laugh so hard that my sides hurt every evening! > PPS, doG save us from "Greenie Magazines!" > PPPS, Paul, I pretty sure you can get a stimulus grant from POTUS for > this project! > > On Jun 4, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > >> At 06:00 PM 04/06/2009, you wrote: >>> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:50:27 -0500 >>> From: "Elden DuRand" >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem >>> Paul: >>> I think what I'd do would be to use the PVC pipe as a manifold to >>> which I >>> would attach a number of irrigation drip heads. >>> >>> Go to a big box store and look at the Rainbird and other systems. >>> You can >>> get drip heads that can be used with 1/2" NPT (I think) PVC nipples >>> which, >>> in turn, are screwed into 1/2" NPT holes in the manifold. >>> They are adjustable so you can balance the system close enough for >>> Mother >>> Nature. >>> What, me engineer??!! >>> Take care - Elden >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> >> Hi Paul, >> I'm getting into this thread a bit late but have been >> following >> it. It would appear that you are following plans from some "Greenie >> Magazine" :-) - have the Tomato plants read the same article ? >> I liked Ron Carolls answer as well as many others. >> If I remember correctly (I'm not going to read all the replies >> again) you have 2 main pipes going down the length (which is not >> very long) >> and they are closed on the ends. >> >> This is what I would do: >> >> 1) I would use a slightly bigger pipe for these lengthwise >> pipes >> (lets just say 3/4") (it reduces friction and increases volume) (I >> also >> think that at the volume/pressure you are using that this will not >> make any >> appreciable difference to the tomato plants) and I would NOT have them >> closed at the end - I would join them (maybe with another piece of >> the same >> size pipe) which would in effect give you a "circuit" ie. (with no >> holes >> yet) the pressure would be equal throughout the circuit. >> 2) Then drill your holes (but I prefer the adjustable microjet >> nozzles or Ron Carrol's idea using screws and washers). When >> deciding on >> the size holes (assuming you are NOT using aforementioned adjustable >> microjet nozzles) you should drill go for something like this. >> i) The "area" of the inlet pipe. (I'm going to change to >> metric >> here - it's easier for me to work out but the principle is exactly the >> same.) 3/4" inch pipe is (as near as dammit) 19mm pipe. (I'm also >> going to >> use this as an internal measurement for the sake of not letting this >> turn >> into an encyclopaedia). >> The mathematical formula for working out the "area" of a >> circle is >> "pi" X radius squared) (I do not know how to write this correctly on >> my >> keyboard). >> Now I'll try to explain this as easily as possible >> (apologies to >> all others for this "long winded explanation"). >> To all you guys who understand these things I do apologise >> but I'm >> gonna try to explain this thing in a way that someone who does not >> understand will get the picture. >> "pi" is a mathematical formula described by some ancient >> Greek - >> you do not need to know how he arrived at it - just use it. Roughly >> it is >> (22 divided by seven) or "the answer" (3.1428571) >> Your 19mm pipe has an internal diameter of 19mm (surprise). >> So the >> "area" of this opening is ("pi" X (times) the radius) (if the >> diameter is >> 19 mm then the radius is half of that or 9.5 mm >> This equals pi (22 divided by seven) or 3.1428571) >> multiplied by >> the radius of the 19mm pipe >> 3.1428571 x 9.5(the radius - or 1/2 of the diameter of the >> pipe) >> equals 29.857 (unless my cheap Taiwanese calculator is lying to me). >> This >> is the delivery area of your pipe. 29.857 >> Now divide this by the number of "delivery points" that you >> need. >> In your case you mentioned 16 (tomato plants). So divide the answer >> above >> by 16 - ie. 29.857 divided by 16 = 1.8660625. and this will give you >> your >> answer for the area of the holes you need. Now you need to convert >> this >> "area" back to a diameter (so you know what size drill to use). Now, >> for >> tonight, I've forgotten the formula needed here so I will use >> "Google" (to >> work out the "diameter of a circle" from the area"). >> This gave me an answer of "1.5414099285872527" - If "Google" >> was >> correct then you need to drill all your holes "1.5 mm". >> What I would do is to drill these holes approximately half >> of this >> size and put a bucket under any one of the holes and measure how >> long it >> takes to provide your required amount of water (always trying to >> bear in >> mind that the tomato plants have read the same article.) It's more >> accurate >> to have "half size" holes and leave the tap (faucet) open for twice >> as long. >> Sometimes "maths" or "science" can baffle us all - have the >> tomato >> plants also read this article? >> Now, the above method will only work if your delivery (where >> the >> water comes from) pressure is always exactly the same. Do you really >> think >> that the tomato plants give a damn? >> >> Understand that this answer will only be relevant if your water >> pressure is >> always exactly the same ie. "all things being equal". >> >> Paul, I've been there, done that and bought the "t"shirt. >> Fresh >> "homegrown" veggies are really great and they are also "so green". >> But, at >> the end of the day, they will always cost you more than you can buy >> them >> for at the local vegetable shop. The reason is that you will grow >> veggies >> "in season" at the same time as the "big producers" put theirs on the >> market. Unless you are planning to produce "out of season" (which >> involves >> major investment in greenhouses and similar) you will not win >> financially. >> Just my opinion. Be prepared to have that "They came from my >> garden" expression cost you Bucks. >> Jerry >> >> Keep the revs up (or down) >> Jerry Evans >> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Jun 5 06:15:26 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:15:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: <6E55B6B9-07E5-448C-B60C-DABC44390565@me.com> Message-ID: As long as you don't show them to my wife. I have the garden on a tract of ground I own in the next county south of me. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY YES, but you have the resources to hire those nude broads to hold the umbrellas. How about pictures during the next rain? Dave On Jun 5, 2009, at 12:37 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Heck guys I have to put umbrellas over mine to keep the rain from > washing them out of the ground. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From galoway4 at hughes.net Fri Jun 5 06:53:39 2009 From: galoway4 at hughes.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:53:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04DB7DDBA31F45CB9ECEE508D572E06F@jokerB> test ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > > As long as you don't show them to my wife. I have the garden on a tract > of ground I own in the next county south of me. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > YES, but you have the resources to hire those nude broads to hold the > umbrellas. How about pictures during the next rain? > Dave > > On Jun 5, 2009, at 12:37 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> Heck guys I have to put umbrellas over mine to keep the rain from >> washing them out of the ground. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at me.com Fri Jun 5 19:38:44 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:38:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: <04DB7DDBA31F45CB9ECEE508D572E06F@jokerB> References: <04DB7DDBA31F45CB9ECEE508D572E06F@jokerB> Message-ID: Arthur, The pictures of nude MEN that you attached were really NOT what I had in mind! Did you send them to the wrong list? Dave On Jun 5, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Arthur Buchanan wrote: > test > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" engine.com> > Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:15 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > > >> >> As long as you don't show them to my wife. I have the garden on a >> tract >> of ground I own in the next county south of me. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> >> YES, but you have the resources to hire those nude broads to hold the >> umbrellas. How about pictures during the next rain? >> Dave >> >> On Jun 5, 2009, at 12:37 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> >>> Heck guys I have to put umbrellas over mine to keep the rain from >>> washing them out of the ground. >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 5 20:08:58 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 21:08:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T. Need Help with Water Flow problem Message-ID: <167815EA310A43968A8BDAF32500B5AC@PAUL> Folks I had to have emergency surgery last Friday and I have had complications all week, in fact this is my first pain free day. I have been off of the computer and obviously had hundreds of e-mails when I just now fired it up. I see a lot of responses to my query about the water flow problem and I will be reading each of these tonight. I want to thank each of you who responded with good ideas. I even see that Evil Dave has responded so I am sure his response will require a special response from me in that him being a professor I will have to first read his response, then try and break through his shell of intrigue that he always gives in his answer and somehow develop a educated response. Love you Dave even though I have to taunt you a little now and then. Paul From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Jun 6 07:28:07 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 09:28:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T. Need Help with Water Flow problem In-Reply-To: <167815EA310A43968A8BDAF32500B5AC@PAUL> Message-ID: Paul: I hope whatever had to be cut on wasn't critical. At least you're still around. At our age, that's good news! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net > Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 10:09 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T. Need Help with Water Flow problem > > > Folks I had to have emergency surgery last Friday > and I have had complications all week, in fact > this is my first pain free day. I have been off > of the computer and obviously had hundreds of > e-mails when I just now fired it up. I see a lot > of responses to my query about the water flow > problem and I will be reading each of these > tonight. I want to thank each of you who > responded with good ideas. > > I even see that Evil Dave has responded so I am > sure his response will require a special response > from me in that him being a professor I will > have to first read his response, then try and > break through his shell of intrigue that he > always gives in his answer and somehow develop a > educated response. Love you Dave even though I > have to taunt you a little now and then. > > Paul From galoway4 at hughes.net Sat Jun 6 07:24:04 2009 From: galoway4 at hughes.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 09:24:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: References: <04DB7DDBA31F45CB9ECEE508D572E06F@jokerB> Message-ID: <2692FB4FF9BE448D937A6D91F8F3DD02@jokerB> Dave , good to hear from you. It has been a long time. Hope to see you at Portland. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > Arthur, The pictures of nude MEN that you attached were really NOT > what I had in mind! Did you send them to the wrong list? > Dave > > On Jun 5, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Arthur Buchanan wrote: > >> test >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > engine.com> >> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:15 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem >> >> >>> >>> As long as you don't show them to my wife. I have the garden on a >>> tract >>> of ground I own in the next county south of me. >>> >>> Tommy Turner >>> Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> YES, but you have the resources to hire those nude broads to hold the >>> umbrellas. How about pictures during the next rain? >>> Dave >>> >>> On Jun 5, 2009, at 12:37 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >>> >>>> Heck guys I have to put umbrellas over mine to keep the rain from >>>> washing them out of the ground. >>>> >>>> Tommy Turner >>>> Magnolia, KY >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Jun 6 09:34:17 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 18:34:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090606181842.01c7b900@mail.atech.co.za> > >Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem Hi Paul, I hope you are recovering from your op. (Do you have to live without some part of you now ? If so, I hope it's nothing that you're going to miss too much :-) There was a very obvious mistake in my last long winded calculation which I'm very surprised that none of the professors amongst us picked up. If he did he never mentioned it :-) Anyway I've corrected it and sent it "off list" to you. The reason for it being "off list" is because I created a .pdf file of it to allow me to show the symbols correctly and we cannot send attachments on the SEL. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Jun 6 19:57:51 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 12:57:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Anyone know Tom Alexander of Iowa Message-ID: Hi all Does anyone know Tom Alexander from Iowa. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From rotigel at me.com Sat Jun 6 20:34:12 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:34:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Anyone know Tom Alexander of Iowa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26B35B40-0D90-45A7-9E40-D0390335503E@me.com> Hi Peter, YES! Dave PS, Books, School, Eat! On Jun 6, 2009, at 10:57 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all > Does anyone know Tom Alexander from Iowa. > > Regards > Peter Lowe From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Jun 7 06:06:20 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 23:06:20 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ruston parts for sale in Oz Message-ID: Hi all Ruston parts for sale in Oz, not sure how old this engine is: http://tinyurl.com/qp4vbr Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jun 7 08:53:12 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 16:53:12 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures Message-ID: <6f6025160906070853h47c7d286s7a6aa8680b600920@mail.gmail.com> Got the first 96 pictures captioned and set up: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nuenen2009/Nuenen2009Menu1.htm and at: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2009/Nuenen2009Menu1.htm Links at the bottom of each menu page to switch between the pages. These are NOT on the main menu page yet, there are two more pages to be set up, about 160 pictures in all. Let me know of any obvious mistakes please. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Jun 7 15:18:39 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 17:18:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures In-Reply-To: <6f6025160906070853h47c7d286s7a6aa8680b600920@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter: Thanks for posting the photos. It's odd, though. There are no Fairbanks-Morse, Economy or John Deere engines there! :-\) The only thing I can find to gig you on is that page 124 doesn't have a hyperlink. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 10:53 AM > To: Stationary-Engine > Cc: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures > > > Got the first 96 pictures captioned and set up: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nuenen2009 /Nuenen2009Menu1.htm and at: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2009/Nuenen2009Menu1.htm Links at the bottom of each menu page to switch between the pages. These are NOT on the main menu page yet, there are two more pages to be set up, about 160 pictures in all. Let me know of any obvious mistakes please. Peter From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Sun Jun 7 14:53:49 2009 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 07:53:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] FMZ parts for SEL List member (me). In-Reply-To: <4A1A101E.9090106@tznet.com> References: <49FA24D4.8040500@rustic-engines.com> <49FA28E3.4090205@tznet.com> <49FA2B30.2090305@rustic-engines.com> <4A034575.4010806@rustic-engines.com> <4A1A013F.4080507@rustic-engines.com> <4A1A101E.9090106@tznet.com> Message-ID: <4A2C36ED.3080807@rustic-engines.com> G'day Pat, It's a holiday in Oz, for those that matter, today. :-P I'm out of hospital and rearing to get stuck into the FMZ. How did the packaging go Monday? Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Pat wrote: > oh dang I almost forgotten about it, I gonna apart it and fill in > smaller package asap good is tomorrow (Monday) is holiday day > I can do it. > > > > > Al Harris wrote: >> G'day Pat, >> >> I'm going into hospital next week so don't worry if it takes a couple >> of days for me to respond. >> >> How's it going your end with the dismantling and packaging? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Autumn Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Al Harris wrote: >>> Pat, I'll be away all day today. Don't despair if you don't get an >>> answer to an email, I'll get back to you tomorrow. >>> >>> Al >>> >>> >>> G'day Pat, >>> >>> It's time for that mounting plate and everything attached to it to >>> be put in a flat pack and sent to "offshore0427" in Oz. :-) >>> >>> Just give me a final figure for PayPal, including your packaging and >>> handling and I'll get it away to you thanks Pat. >>> >>> We do it through eBay to keep it above boards eh, even though you're >>> gunna part it for me. >>> >>> Looks like I turn mine into a hit&miss, maybe it originally was anyway. >>> >>> Hey, you still have a head, piston, con rod, crankshaft etc that you >>> can still make brass on. Win win. ;-) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Al Harris >>> Autumn Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>> >>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Sun Jun 7 16:59:27 2009 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 23:59:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Manzel Lubricator Parts - Help In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> Message-ID: I have a four line Manzel lubricator model 25W and need some new springs for the return pawl. It is for a big Franklin Valveless engine. The lubricator will ratchet, but the ratchet wheel won't stay put on the return stroke. I tore it apart and found that the return pawl was just laying there and the spring was broke. I can take pictures if needed. Any idea where I can get parts for this thing? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 7 20:53:09 2009 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 20:53:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Manzel Lubricator Parts - Help Message-ID: <687966.72677.qm@web31503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Do a google for Niagara Filtration, they are a graco manzel distributor. You can get most of the parts new, but they are pricey. Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > From: Luke Tonneberger > Subject: [SEL] Manzel Lubricator Parts - Help > To: "Engine List" > Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 6:59 PM > > I have a four line Manzel lubricator model 25W and need > some new springs for the return pawl. It is for a big > Franklin Valveless engine. The lubricator will ratchet, but > the ratchet wheel won't stay put on the return stroke. I > tore it apart and found that the return pawl was just laying > there and the spring was broke. I can take pictures if > needed. Any idea where I can get parts for this thing? > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about > storage limits. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Jun 7 22:27:24 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:27:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally 2009 Message-ID: Another excellent rally at Manilla. We left home at 3.50am and arrived in Manilla at 9.50am. The Austral was unloaded and running within 20 minutes. The weather was fine both days although there was a massive downpour at about 3am Sunday morning, thankfully we were staying at the pub rather than in a tent. The Austral did not miss a beat all weekend and is going well for its 92nd year. There were a lot of nice engines but my favourite was a scale model of the Waterloo Boy Tractor which took 7020 hours to build. It ran and drove just like the full scale version: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man09/pages/0906050175_JPG.htm We made sure a space was kept for Reg and Peter but neither made it: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man09/pages/0906050175_JPG.htm More pics from the rally at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man09/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From swork at endacomm.com Sun Jun 7 22:34:31 2009 From: swork at endacomm.com (S. Work) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 01:34:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem References: Message-ID: <567054B678DD4B16908508FF0F289A1C@ecsserverwebs> Inquiry : If you want equal water distribution, at each of the 16 locations , Why are you feeding it from the end ? Your feed points should be about center of the long runs, And 1 cross tube in the center, instead of on both ends. - - - - | - - - - | - - - - | - - - - X - Connect hose here . Add a Union on the cross feed tube for easy removal and storage :-) If ya really want it to Trickle, Put a coarse acquarium airstone at each drill point. The Ingot shaped 2 Inch long, and 3/4 inch wide should do nicely. P.S. Glad you're back on your feet ! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > Folks I need to apply equal amounts of water at 16 locations around a > rectangular square made if 1/2" pvc pipe. (8 locations down each side and > none on ends) > > The length of each side of the rectangle is 111" and the ends are 27". > > http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/?action=view¤t=diagram.jpg > > One man told me to drill 1/4" holes at each of the 16 locations but I > argued with him that the first few 1/4" holes located closest to the input > of the water would get more water than the rest and he said it would > not.....well they did. The first 4 holes on each side of the PVC closest > to the inlet of the water shot out streams of water about 4" long and the > last holes, the ones furthest away from the inlet of the water just > dribbled water. > > I am only drilling holes down the length of the rectangle and none on the > ends. The PVC pipe size is 1/2" and as stated above the length of each > side is 111" long. > > I use a 5/8" water hose (it only has a 1/2" bore size) to bring water to > the inlet of the rectangle. The bore size of the 1/2" pvc pipe is .485", > almost 1/2". > > The water flow rate is 5 gpm per minute coming out of the end of the 5/8 > hose. > > Can someone tell me how to plumb the rectangle in order to achieve an > equal flow of water at each of the 16 drilled hole outlets. I would assume > I will have to start out with small holes closest to the inlet and > gradually get bigger towards the end opposite the inlet of the water. I > just want the water to dribble out and not shoot out in streams and I > need, as close as I can get it, equal amounts coming out at each of the 16 > drilled locations. > > At each of these 16 locations there is a tomato plant. I am trying to > calculate how long to leave the water on in order to be able to supply 1" > of water to each plant as the tomato plants require 1" of water weekly and > more during the hot months. > > I will appreciate any and all help on this. > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: 06/02/09 06:47:00 -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.56/2161 - Release Date: 06/07/09 17:53:00 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 00:07:13 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 08:07:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160906070853h47c7d286s7a6aa8680b600920@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160906080007w3ff36b6aj6c9cfcf7e8d84ff3@mail.gmail.com> 2009/6/7 Elden DuRand : > Peter: > > Thanks for posting the photos. ?It's odd, though. ?There are no Fairbanks-Morse, Economy or John Deere engines there! ? :-\) > > The only thing I can find to gig you on is that page 124 doesn't have a hyperlink. > > Take care - Elden Thanks, Elden, there was a typo in Menu Page 6, I have corrected that on both sites. There were a few American engines there, but certainly the line-up would look strange to American eyes! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Jun 8 10:43:21 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:43:21 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Mark, (Actually to Mark Shulaw but kept on the lists for others to read and learn!!) Just a quick update. I took the drive to my friend (70 miles away) yesterday and he recharged the magnets for both twins for me. Very impressive, I've never seen this done before. They previously only attracted a screwdriver - now you can pick the whole flywheel up with a lathe tool !! Unfortunately this was quite late yesterday so I could not "play" with the engine but it did appear to start easier (still with the electric drill) and ran a little smoother. Today was work (day job) again so I've not been able to do anything to the Maytag - next step is to try and start without the condensor. (I still cannot start it easily with the kick start!). I will first try with the condensor disconnected (but will not run it for any length of time like this). If this gives me a better spark then I'll replace the condensor. Can you tell me if I can use any car condensor (I've ordered from you but in the meanwhile should I go out and buy a condensor from a lawnmower engine (eg. Briggs & Stratton) to try with. I do not know anything about how condensors are "rated" and also know that if I went to one of the local "auto spares" shops that they would also not know the difference. My friend (who recharged the magnets) suggested a lawnmower engine condensor as these are for a magneto. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From rotigel at me.com Mon Jun 8 11:24:23 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:24:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <26065538-9A4C-4243-9379-D0B810A3C0D1@me.com> On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Mark, > Today was work (day job) again so I've > not been able to do anything to the Maytag..... > (I still cannot start it easily with the kick start!) > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans Hi Jerry. And your point is? Dave From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 8 11:11:54 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Good chance it won't start at all without the condenser - may cause points to arc and not break cleanly. Bill > Hi Mark, > (Actually to Mark Shulaw but kept on the lists for others to read > and learn!!) > Just a quick update. > I took the drive to my friend (70 miles away) yesterday and he > recharged the magnets for both twins for me. Very impressive, I've never > seen this done before. > They previously only attracted a screwdriver - now you can pick > the whole flywheel up with a lathe tool !! > Unfortunately this was quite late yesterday so I could not "play" > with the engine but it did appear to start easier (still with the electric > drill) and ran a little smoother. Today was work (day job) again so I've > not been able to do anything to the Maytag - next step is to try and start > without the condensor. (I still cannot start it easily with the kick > start!). > I will first try with the condensor disconnected (but will not > run > it for any length of time like this). If this gives me a better spark then > I'll replace the condensor. Can you tell me if I can use any car condensor > (I've ordered from you but in the meanwhile should I go out and buy a > condensor from a lawnmower engine (eg. Briggs & Stratton) to try with. > I do not know anything about how condensors are "rated" and also > know that if I went to one of the local "auto spares" shops that they > would > also not know the difference. My friend (who recharged the magnets) > suggested a lawnmower engine condensor as these are for a magneto. > > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Jun 8 11:30:37 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 14:30:37 EDT Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils Message-ID: In a message dated 6/8/2009 2:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at me.com writes: Hi Jerry. And your point is? Dave Jerry's point is that some folks still have to work for a living, Dave. You obviously have been retired for so long that you have forgotten all about it. Maybe Arnie can fill you in on the drive to Evansville! See you there! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jun 8 11:35:12 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:35:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils Message-ID: <20090608183509.9CF6C76B834C@mail07.wcoil.com> I am learning here to as I have only hear of this being done by others with the original vintage coils from the 70s-80s. I was told by reliable people that the later vintage Briggs coils will not work. I hope to be shown differently. The Maytag uses a condenser rated quite a bit different then any car or other small engine condenser I have ever seen before. I do not know for sure that Maytag engines needed it but they were rated at 630vdc .154 to .22 mfd +-10 by the respective manufacturers. I have no way to test the suitability of other values as this is quite an involved project mathematically and with actual testing. I would not like to question what Eisemann or *Quick Action-Johnson* or American Bosch did as they knew their stuff and had the facilities and money to test. So who am I to question their ratings. They built systems for many other applications, not just the Maytag. The usual small engine and car condensers I have seen are usually rated at 250 to 430 vdc and .22 to .28 mfd. My feelings are its not much difference in price to put in the properly rated versus something thats not rated properly, Especially since new points are not being made any more and if you ruin them its way more $$ for USED points then a new condenser. That said this is a different coil then the Original so I do not know if this will change things. My belief and it is only a belief that we need to stick close to the original rating. But I would feel comfortable in testing with a Model T or Wico EK Condenser. Only time and running would tell the story. Mark At 01:43 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >Hi Mark, > (Actually to Mark Shulaw but kept on the lists for others > to read and learn!!) > Just a quick update. > I took the drive to my friend (70 miles away) yesterday and > he recharged the magnets for both twins for me. Very impressive, > I've never seen this done before. > They previously only attracted a screwdriver - now you can > pick the whole flywheel up with a lathe tool !! > Unfortunately this was quite late yesterday so I could not > "play" with the engine but it did appear to start easier (still > with the electric drill) and ran a little smoother. Today was work > (day job) again so I've not been able to do anything to the Maytag > - next step is to try and start without the condensor. (I still > cannot start it easily with the kick start!). > I will first try with the condensor disconnected (but will > not run it for any length of time like this). If this gives me a > better spark then I'll replace the condensor. Can you tell me if I > can use any car condensor (I've ordered from you but in the > meanwhile should I go out and buy a condensor from a lawnmower > engine (eg. Briggs & Stratton) to try with. > I do not know anything about how condensors are "rated" and > also know that if I went to one of the local "auto spares" shops > that they would also not know the difference. My friend (who > recharged the magnets) suggested a lawnmower engine condensor as > these are for a magneto. > > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > >To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > >stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >with: >unsubscribe >in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.56/2162 - Release Date: >06/08/09 06:01:00 Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jun 8 11:40:35 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:40:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: <1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engin es.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com> It should start and run without the condenser but only till the points burn which can be fairly quickly. The condenser has little to do with the actual generation of spark, more to do with the protection of the points from arching and burning quickly. If you try it without a condenser gap the points a bit wider then the spec .020 to get a clean break or so that the arc flame between the points does quit due to width of gap. Mark At 02:11 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >Good chance it won't start at all without the condenser - may cause points >to arc and not break cleanly. > >Bill > > > > Hi Mark, > > (Actually to Mark Shulaw but kept on the lists for others to read > > and learn!!) > > Just a quick update. > > I took the drive to my friend (70 miles away) yesterday and he > > recharged the magnets for both twins for me. Very impressive, I've never > > seen this done before. > > They previously only attracted a screwdriver - now you can pick > > the whole flywheel up with a lathe tool !! > > Unfortunately this was quite late yesterday so I could not "play" > > with the engine but it did appear to start easier (still with the electric > > drill) and ran a little smoother. Today was work (day job) again so I've > > not been able to do anything to the Maytag - next step is to try and start > > without the condensor. (I still cannot start it easily with the kick > > start!). > > I will first try with the condensor disconnected (but will not > > run > > it for any length of time like this). If this gives me a better spark then > > I'll replace the condensor. Can you tell me if I can use any car condensor > > (I've ordered from you but in the meanwhile should I go out and buy a > > condensor from a lawnmower engine (eg. Briggs & Stratton) to try with. > > I do not know anything about how condensors are "rated" and also > > know that if I went to one of the local "auto spares" shops that they > > would > > also not know the difference. My friend (who recharged the magnets) > > suggested a lawnmower engine condensor as these are for a magneto. > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > Jerry Evans > > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.56/2162 - Release Date: >06/08/09 06:01:00 Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 8 12:14:28 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: <20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <2289.165.206.180.130.1244488468.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Having a degree in automotive technology, earned when points were still in use to some degree, here's why I state that it MAY, mind you MAY not start and/or run, or run properly: When the points open, the sudden loss of primary current causes a quickly collapsing magnetic field in the coil which induces a larger voltage in the secondary windings. The voltage traveling through the secondary winding in turn induces a current flow, in reverse, in the primary circuit - enough to cause the points to arc. This ?back emf? is due to the design of the ignition coil and its inherent inductance. This feedback of electrical energy causes a spark to occur at the points that pits and erodes the contact surfaces. To suppress this energy, a condenser is used. It acts like a shock absorber (absorbing the back emf), ** and in so doing it helps to interrupt the primary current as quickly as possible when the points open. Without the condenser, the back emf would form an arc across the points as they separate, ** slowing the collapse of the coil?s field, thus delaying and thereby reducing the voltage rise in the secondary coil winding - ~possibly~ reducing it enough to cause it to not span the plugs gap. The condenser suppresses most, but not all of the back emf. So points still burn or erode. Bill > It should start and run without the condenser but only till the > points burn which can be fairly quickly. The condenser has little to > do with the actual generation of spark, more to do with the > protection of the points from arching and burning quickly. If you try > it without a condenser gap the points a bit wider then the spec .020 > to get a clean break or so that the arc flame between the points does > quit due to width of gap. Mark > > > At 02:11 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >>Good chance it won't start at all without the condenser - may cause >> points >>to arc and not break cleanly. >> >>Bill >> >> >> > Hi Mark, >> > (Actually to Mark Shulaw but kept on the lists for others to >> read >> > and learn!!) >> > Just a quick update. >> > I took the drive to my friend (70 miles away) yesterday and >> he >> > recharged the magnets for both twins for me. Very impressive, I've >> never >> > seen this done before. >> > They previously only attracted a screwdriver - now you can >> pick >> > the whole flywheel up with a lathe tool !! >> > Unfortunately this was quite late yesterday so I could not >> "play" >> > with the engine but it did appear to start easier (still with the >> electric >> > drill) and ran a little smoother. Today was work (day job) again so >> I've >> > not been able to do anything to the Maytag - next step is to try and >> start >> > without the condensor. (I still cannot start it easily with the kick >> > start!). >> > I will first try with the condensor disconnected (but will >> not >> > run >> > it for any length of time like this). If this gives me a better spark >> then >> > I'll replace the condensor. Can you tell me if I can use any car >> condensor >> > (I've ordered from you but in the meanwhile should I go out and buy a >> > condensor from a lawnmower engine (eg. Briggs & Stratton) to try with. >> > I do not know anything about how condensors are "rated" and >> also >> > know that if I went to one of the local "auto spares" shops that they >> > would >> > also not know the difference. My friend (who recharged the magnets) >> > suggested a lawnmower engine condensor as these are for a magneto. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Keep the revs up (or down) >> > Jerry Evans >> > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >> > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.56/2162 - Release Date: >>06/08/09 06:01:00 > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From george at irontrader.com Mon Jun 8 12:40:23 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:40:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures References: Message-ID: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> Elden, There were all of the engines you mentioned at the show. Peter just may have skipped taking photos of them. I haven't had a chance yet to see what he posted. ] George---- waiting at the Newark airport for my flight back to the westcoast. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures > Peter: > > Thanks for posting the photos. It's odd, though. There are no > Fairbanks-Morse, Economy or John Deere engines there! :-\) > > The only thing I can find to gig you on is that page 124 doesn't have a > hyperlink. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of >> Listerdiesel >> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 10:53 AM >> To: Stationary-Engine >> Cc: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures >> >> >> Got the first 96 pictures captioned and set up: >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Nuenen2009 > /Nuenen2009Menu1.htm > > and at: > > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2009/Nuenen2009Menu1.htm > > Links at the bottom of each menu page to switch between the pages. > > These are NOT on the main menu page yet, there are two more pages to > be set up, about 160 pictures in all. > > Let me know of any obvious mistakes please. > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Jun 8 12:41:50 2009 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:41:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com> <2289.165.206.180.130.1244488468.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <7B1A54EE4C7140BA96108BC11ABDF1C5@D6R3D961> well put, that is how I learned it Roger DiRuscio Fremont, Ca 94539 510-226-2414 ofc message line website, scrapologist.com Ham radio KG6QKZ (gen) Fremont CERT volunteer "Ardenwood" ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils Having a degree in automotive technology, earned when points were still in use to some degree, here's why I state that it MAY, mind you MAY not start and/or run, or run properly: From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 13:14:04 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 21:14:04 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures In-Reply-To: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> References: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> Message-ID: <6f6025160906081314n756805fdrc7385433cc61ac9f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/6/8 George Best : > Elden, > > There were all of the engines you mentioned at the show. > I don't think we got all the engines, and quite possibly missed a few in the process. Have a safe trip home, George, you'll need the rest! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From george at irontrader.com Mon Jun 8 13:26:19 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:26:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures References: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> <6f6025160906081314n756805fdrc7385433cc61ac9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter.... I'm pretty tired at the moment. First of all Arnie and the Roysters kept us up till midnight almost every night! Then I had to get up at 3:30am Holland time. By the time I complete this next flight and drive home (11pm Pacific time zone) I'll have been up for 28.5 hours. I'm getting too old for this type of travel ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures > 2009/6/8 George Best : >> Elden, >> >> There were all of the engines you mentioned at the show. >> > > I don't think we got all the engines, and quite possibly missed a few > in the process. > > Have a safe trip home, George, you'll need the rest! > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Mon Jun 8 14:46:09 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:46:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures In-Reply-To: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> References: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> Message-ID: On Jun 8, 2009, at 3:40 PM, George Best wrote: > > George---- waiting at the Newark airport for my flight back to the > westcoast. Hi George, I sure hope that you get out of that "hell hole" by Thursday! Dave From rotigel at me.com Mon Jun 8 14:48:54 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:48:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: <20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com> Message-ID: On Jun 8, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > It should start and run without the condenser > Mark ROFLMFAO!!!!!!! Dave From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Jun 8 14:58:48 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 17:58:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast References: <101D4B2235114A65BC68ED6DFBF04184@BLUE2> Message-ID: <000c01c9e884$4d59d5f0$83674b47@mikecomp> The EHOWT gropu is back!!!!!!! We had the best time and met the nicest people and swa the most unusual engines in Europe. Pictues and reports to follow. A special thanks th George Best and Harry Terpstra for making it all happen, you guys are the best! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast > I'm sitting at the Portland Oregon airport waiting to board my flight to > Newark. Will be meeting up with Steve and Mike at Newark, then the 3 of > us > are on the same flight to Amsterdam. > > Looking forward to meeting up with everyone at the airport and getting > this > tour on the road!! > > Should be lots of fun and I'm sure someone will post a few pictures or > stories while we're on the tour. > > George > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:28 AM > Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Weather Forecast > > >> Well it looks like the EHOWT09 will have an auspicious start at the >> Nuenen >> rally >> Friday - Monday. Pack that sunscreen! >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2248?count=10 >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jun 8 15:32:16 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 08:32:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils References: Message-ID: <9B3B708149734AA297370FFBA19E8F9B@REG> With the job? he had, he never did a days work anyway!! Just chased the young chicks and flapped the lip!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 4:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils > > In a message dated 6/8/2009 2:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > rotigel at me.com writes: > > Hi Jerry. And your point is? > Dave > > > > > Jerry's point is that some folks still have to work for a living, Dave. > You obviously have been retired for so long that you have forgotten all > about it. Maybe Arnie can fill you in on the drive to Evansville! See > you > there! > > > > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your > fingertips. > (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Jun 8 16:48:00 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 18:48:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: <2289.165.206.180.130.1244488468.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Jerry & Bill: A couple of years ago, I did a study of point/coil/condenser (battery or mag) and ignitor ignition electrics. The condenser is, in fact, needed in order to produce a "hot" spark at the plug. As a side effect, it also supresses arcing at the points. What you have with this type of ignition is a parallel resonant L/C circuit. The "L" is the inductance of the primary of the coil plus the reflected inductance of the secondary of the coil. The "C" is the capacitance of the condenser. What happens is that when the points are closed, there is a magnetic field produced by the primary in the core of the coil. At this time, the condenser does not exist in the circuit, being short-circuited by the points. The fun begins when the points open. As soon as the points open, the field of the coil begins to collapse, inducing a voltage across the condenser which is now in the circuit. The rate at which the voltage rises is dependent upon the capacity of the condenser and the inductance of the coil. Once the coil's field has collapsed completely (and made one spark at the plug), the condenser is charged up and has nowhere else to discharge itself but back into the primary of the coil, which it does, causing the magnetic field to build back up in the coil (albeit at a lower voltage|). When the condenser has discharged itself, the field of the coil again collapses (making another, weaker, spark) and charges the condenser again. This goes on for several cycles and is called a "damped oscillation". The reason the points burn if you don't have a condenser across them is that the voltage rises faster than the points can open and a series of small arcs occur at the points as they relatively slowly open, adding up to a big heating event. There is actually a damped oscillation in the coil even without the condenser. This is caused by the distributed capacitance of the coil and wiring. The frequency of this oscillation is very high and the coil, as designed, is very inefficient at producing a high secondary voltage at this frequency. If you want to see oscilloscope pictures of what happens in a point/coil/condenser, go to my web page (below my signature) then go to "Otherstuff" and pick your subject. Oh, yes. You can get very scientific about the value of the condenser used but most of the coils aren't very picky about just what resonant frequency they resonate at. As long as the value is between 0.15 microfarad and 0.47 microfarad, you should be okay. If you get a non-automotive condenser, get a film type (NOT ELECTROLYTIC!) capacitor rated at 630 Volts DC and you will be fine. Please note that this is just an audit class. No quizzes will be given. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > bill at antique-engines.com > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 02:14 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils > > > Having a degree in automotive technology, earned > when points were still in > use to some degree, here's why I state that it > MAY, mind you MAY not start > and/or run, or run properly: > > When the points open, the sudden loss of primary > current causes a quickly > collapsing magnetic field in the coil which > induces a larger voltage in > the secondary windings. The voltage traveling > through the secondary > winding in turn induces a current flow, in > reverse, in the primary circuit > - enough to cause the points to arc. > This ?back emf? is due to the design of the > ignition coil and its inherent > inductance. This feedback of electrical energy > causes a spark to occur at > the points that pits and erodes the contact > surfaces. To suppress this > energy, a condenser is used. It acts like a > shock absorber (absorbing the > back emf), ** and in so doing it helps to > interrupt the primary current as > quickly as possible when the points open. > Without the condenser, the back emf would form an > arc across the points as > they separate, ** slowing the collapse of the > coil?s field, thus delaying > and thereby reducing the voltage rise in the > secondary coil winding - > ~possibly~ reducing it enough to cause it to not > span the plugs gap. The > condenser suppresses most, but not all of the > back emf. So points still > burn or erode. > > Bill > > > It should start and run without the condenser > but only till the > > points burn which can be fairly quickly. The > condenser has little to > > do with the actual generation of spark, more to > do with the > > protection of the points from arching and > burning quickly. If you try > > it without a condenser gap the points a bit > wider then the spec .020 > > to get a clean break or so that the arc flame > between the points does > > quit due to width of gap. Mark From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jun 8 17:00:45 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:00:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20090609000042.708FD1D0CBB@mail04.wcoil.com> Really?? Want me to prove it at Coolsprings. At 05:48 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >On Jun 8, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > > It should start and run without the condenser > > Mark > >ROFLMFAO!!!!!!! > Dave >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.58/2164 - Release Date: >06/08/09 17:59:00 Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From kimmell at verizon.net Mon Jun 8 18:05:29 2009 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:05:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: <20090609000042.708FD1D0CBB@mail04.wcoil.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com> <20090609000042.708FD1D0CBB@mail04.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <0KKY000O45P53W80@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> I think he was laughing at the "start and run" part of the sentence... ;-) -Tony At 07:00 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >Really?? Want me to prove it at Coolsprings. From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 8 18:26:26 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 20:26:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, I was trained by Sun on the use of he scope, own a scope now, and got my first job by showing the service manager what was wrong with the Ford he ws working on. You can see it all in the scope pattern...... And tell a LOT about an engine, even mechanically, if you can read the scope. The full operating of the system would take pages............ I've still got all my Sun training guides downstairs......... Pages and pages. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:48 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils Jerry & Bill: A couple of years ago, I did a study of point/coil/condenser (battery or mag) and ignitor ignition electrics. The condenser is, in fact, needed in order to produce a "hot" spark at the plug. As a side effect, it also supresses arcing at the points. What you have with this type of ignition is a parallel resonant L/C circuit. The "L" is the inductance of the primary of the coil plus the reflected inductance of the secondary of the coil. The "C" is the capacitance of the condenser. What happens is that when the points are closed, there is a magnetic field produced by the primary in the core of the coil. At this time, the condenser does not exist in the circuit, being short-circuited by the points. The fun begins when the points open. As soon as the points open, the field of the coil begins to collapse, inducing a voltage across the condenser which is now in the circuit. The rate at which the voltage rises is dependent upon the capacity of the condenser and the inductance of the coil. Once the coil's field has collapsed completely (and made one spark at the plug), the condenser is charged up and has nowhere else to discharge itself but back into the primary of the coil, which it does, causing the magnetic field to build back up in the coil (albeit at a lower voltage|). When the condenser has discharged itself, the field of the coil again collapses (making another, weaker, spark) and charges the condenser again. This goes on for several cycles and is called a "damped oscillation". The reason the points burn if you don't have a condenser across them is that the voltage rises faster than the points can open and a series of small arcs occur at the points as they relatively slowly open, adding up to a big heating event. There is actually a damped oscillation in the coil even without the condenser. This is caused by the distributed capacitance of the coil and wiring. The frequency of this oscillation is very high and the coil, as designed, is very inefficient at producing a high secondary voltage at this frequency. If you want to see oscilloscope pictures of what happens in a point/coil/condenser, go to my web page (below my signature) then go to "Otherstuff" and pick your subject. Oh, yes. You can get very scientific about the value of the condenser used but most of the coils aren't very picky about just what resonant frequency they resonate at. As long as the value is between 0.15 microfarad and 0.47 microfarad, you should be okay. If you get a non-automotive condenser, get a film type (NOT ELECTROLYTIC!) capacitor rated at 630 Volts DC and you will be fine. Please note that this is just an audit class. No quizzes will be given. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > bill at antique-engines.com > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 02:14 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils > > > Having a degree in automotive technology, earned when points were > still in use to some degree, here's why I state that it MAY, mind you > MAY not start and/or run, or run properly: > > When the points open, the sudden loss of primary current causes a > quickly collapsing magnetic field in the coil which induces a larger > voltage in the secondary windings. The voltage traveling through the > secondary winding in turn induces a current flow, in reverse, in the > primary circuit > - enough to cause the points to arc. > This "back emf" is due to the design of the ignition coil and its > inherent inductance. This feedback of electrical energy causes a > spark to occur at the points that pits and erodes the contact > surfaces. To suppress this energy, a condenser is used. It acts like > a shock absorber (absorbing the back emf), ** and in so doing it helps > to interrupt the primary current as quickly as possible when the > points open. > Without the condenser, the back emf would form an arc across the > points as they separate, ** slowing the collapse of the coil's field, > thus delaying and thereby reducing the voltage rise in the secondary > coil winding - ~possibly~ reducing it enough to cause it to not span > the plugs gap. The condenser suppresses most, but not all of the back > emf. So points still burn or erode. > > Bill > > > It should start and run without the condenser > but only till the > > points burn which can be fairly quickly. The > condenser has little to > > do with the actual generation of spark, more to > do with the > > protection of the points from arching and > burning quickly. If you try > > it without a condenser gap the points a bit > wider then the spec .020 > > to get a clean break or so that the arc flame > between the points does > > quit due to width of gap. Mark _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Jun 8 18:27:42 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 20:27:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: <0KKY000O45P53W80@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <3A787559917644B4B04359AD40661B95@sheeba> Exactly - Maytags don't run according to Dave............. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tony & Jackie Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 8:05 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils I think he was laughing at the "start and run" part of the sentence... ;-) -Tony At 07:00 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >Really?? Want me to prove it at Coolsprings. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jun 8 19:23:53 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:23:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: <0KKY000O45P53W80@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com> <20090609000042.708FD1D0CBB@mail04.wcoil.com> <0KKY000O45P53W80@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20090609022350.D152A1475C3@mail01.wcoil.com> Thank Tony, Thats right the evil one does not believe they run. Its all smoke and mirrors, he says. GRINN Mark PS: Can't wait for Coolsprings PPS: Can't wait for Coolsprings PPPS: Can't wait for Coolsprings At 09:05 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >I think he was laughing at the "start and run" part of the sentence... ;-) > >-Tony > >At 07:00 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: > >Really?? Want me to prove it at Coolsprings. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jun 8 19:28:42 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:28:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090609022838.F3CF61D101D@mail04.wcoil.com> Hi Bill, Long Time no hear. How was Waukee this year? I hear things were some better then last. Sure missed going out. Hows Mike B haven't heard from him in even longer. Mark At 09:26 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >Yes, I was trained by Sun on the use of he scope, own a scope now, and got >my first job by showing the service manager what was wrong with the Ford he >ws working on. >You can see it all in the scope pattern...... And tell a LOT about an >engine, even mechanically, if you can read the scope. >The full operating of the system would take pages............ > >I've still got all my Sun training guides downstairs......... Pages and >pages. > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand >Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:48 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils > >Jerry & Bill: > >A couple of years ago, I did a study of point/coil/condenser (battery or >mag) and ignitor ignition electrics. > >The condenser is, in fact, needed in order to produce a "hot" spark at the >plug. As a side effect, it also supresses arcing at the points. > >What you have with this type of ignition is a parallel resonant L/C circuit. >The "L" is the inductance of the primary of the coil plus the reflected >inductance of the secondary of the coil. The "C" is the capacitance of the >condenser. > >What happens is that when the points are closed, there is a magnetic field >produced by the primary in the core of the coil. At this time, the >condenser does not exist in the circuit, being short-circuited by the >points. > >The fun begins when the points open. As soon as the points open, the field >of the coil begins to collapse, inducing a voltage across the condenser >which is now in the circuit. The rate at which the voltage rises is >dependent upon the capacity of the condenser and the inductance of the coil. >Once the coil's field has collapsed completely (and made one spark at the >plug), the condenser is charged up and has nowhere else to discharge itself >but back into the primary of the coil, which it does, causing the magnetic >field to build back up in the coil (albeit at a lower voltage|). When the >condenser has discharged itself, the field of the coil again collapses >(making another, weaker, spark) and charges the condenser again. This goes >on for several cycles and is called a "damped oscillation". > >The reason the points burn if you don't have a condenser across them is that >the voltage rises faster than the points can open and a series of small arcs >occur at the points as they relatively slowly open, adding up to a big >heating event. > >There is actually a damped oscillation in the coil even without the >condenser. This is caused by the distributed capacitance of the coil and >wiring. The frequency of this oscillation is very high and the coil, as >designed, is very inefficient at producing a high secondary voltage at this >frequency. > >If you want to see oscilloscope pictures of what happens in a >point/coil/condenser, go to my web page (below my signature) then go to >"Otherstuff" and pick your subject. > >Oh, yes. You can get very scientific about the value of the condenser used >but most of the coils aren't very picky about just what resonant frequency >they resonate at. As long as the value is between 0.15 microfarad and 0.47 >microfarad, you should be okay. If you get a non-automotive condenser, get >a film type (NOT ELECTROLYTIC!) capacitor rated at 630 Volts DC and you will >be fine. > >Please note that this is just an audit class. No quizzes will be given. > >Take care - Elden >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of > > bill at antique-engines.com > > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 02:14 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils > > > > > > Having a degree in automotive technology, earned when points were > > still in use to some degree, here's why I state that it MAY, mind you > > MAY not start and/or run, or run properly: > > > > When the points open, the sudden loss of primary current causes a > > quickly collapsing magnetic field in the coil which induces a larger > > voltage in the secondary windings. The voltage traveling through the > > secondary winding in turn induces a current flow, in reverse, in the > > primary circuit > > - enough to cause the points to arc. > > This "back emf" is due to the design of the ignition coil and its > > inherent inductance. This feedback of electrical energy causes a > > spark to occur at the points that pits and erodes the contact > > surfaces. To suppress this energy, a condenser is used. It acts like > > a shock absorber (absorbing the back emf), ** and in so doing it helps > > to interrupt the primary current as quickly as possible when the > > points open. > > Without the condenser, the back emf would form an arc across the > > points as they separate, ** slowing the collapse of the coil's field, > > thus delaying and thereby reducing the voltage rise in the secondary > > coil winding - ~possibly~ reducing it enough to cause it to not span > > the plugs gap. The condenser suppresses most, but not all of the back > > emf. So points still burn or erode. > > > > Bill > > > > > It should start and run without the condenser > > but only till the > > > points burn which can be fairly quickly. The > > condenser has little to > > > do with the actual generation of spark, more to > > do with the > > > protection of the points from arching and > > burning quickly. If you try > > > it without a condenser gap the points a bit > > wider then the spec .020 > > > to get a clean break or so that the arc flame > > between the points does > > > quit due to width of gap. Mark > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.58/2164 - Release Date: >06/08/09 17:59:00 Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Tue Jun 9 03:07:47 2009 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 18:07:47 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com><20090609000042.708FD1D0CBB@mail04.wcoil.com><0KKY000O45P53W80@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <20090609022350.D152A1475C3@mail01.wcoil.com> Message-ID: there are possibly thousands of Maytag's that run quietly some were! Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils > Thank Tony, Thats right the evil one does not believe they run. Its > all smoke and mirrors, he says. GRINN Mark > > PS: Can't wait for Coolsprings > PPS: Can't wait for Coolsprings > PPPS: Can't wait for Coolsprings > > At 09:05 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >>I think he was laughing at the "start and run" part of the sentence... >>;-) >> >>-Tony >> >>At 07:00 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >> >Really?? Want me to prove it at Coolsprings. > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Jun 9 04:14:11 2009 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:14:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Manzel Lubricator Parts - Help In-Reply-To: <687966.72677.qm@web31503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <687966.72677.qm@web31503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks alot Joe!! I called Niagra Filtration and a guy named Steve said that he couldn't help me. He also said that Manzel had a falling out and Sloan Bros. is reproducing everything at a low cost and they have quality parts. The guy I spoke with suggested I call Sloan Brothers out of Freeport, PA. 1-800-722-0250. At Sload Bros. I spoke with a very helpful guy named Matt. He looked up the part number of the spring I needed, put me on hold and went out to the shop floor and grabbed the two springs for me. $4 each plus shipping and they are on the way. Thought someone else could use this info. Thanks again Joe. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================= > From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com > > > Do a google for Niagara Filtration, they are a graco manzel distributor. You can get most of the parts new, but they are pricey. > Joe > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan > > > --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > > From: Luke Tonneberger > > > > I have a four line Manzel lubricator model 25W and need > > some new springs for the return pawl. It is for a big > > Franklin Valveless engine. The lubricator will ratchet, but > > the ratchet wheel won't stay put on the return stroke. I > > tore it apart and found that the return pawl was just laying > > there and the spring was broke. I can take pictures if > > needed. Any idea where I can get parts for this thing? > > > > > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > > > Rockford, Michigan > > > > USA _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jun 9 08:10:08 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:10:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve: I DID remember! Please private email me and I'll send you my snail mail address so you have either email or the other way of getting the St Marys drawings to me. Take care - Elden edurand @ mchsi.com (remove spaces|) http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Elden > DuRand > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 06:08 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > Steve: > > I'll try to rememberize you 'bout it if my CRS > don't kick-in. :-) > > Have a ball! > > Take care - Elde > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Steve > > Royster > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:46 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > > > > > > HI Elden, I'll send you a set when I get back > > from the EHOWT09 tour. My brain may be fried > > after seeing that much old iron so remind me in > > two weeks please. Thanks Steve > > > > > From: edurand at mchsi.com > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:29:53 -0500 > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] St. Marys Gearless > > > > > > Steve: > > > > > > If it's not too much trouble (I'll reimburse > > you for copying and postage), I'd also like to > > have the McVickers drawings. After I complete the > > Hvid I'm building (and get bored running it) I'll > > be looking for another unusual engine feature to > > build a homebrew engine around. > > > > > > Thanks and take care - Elden From George_Best at adp.com Tue Jun 9 07:42:17 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 09:42:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Back from Nuenen and EHOWT In-Reply-To: <000c01c9e884$4d59d5f0$83674b47@mikecomp> References: <101D4B2235114A65BC68ED6DFBF04184@BLUE2> <000c01c9e884$4d59d5f0$83674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4567DCF5@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> I'm back at work after absolutely the best tour we've done! Great weather, great people, and unbelievable engine collections. I'll let the Royster's tell more. Got back to work to find out that we'd had a large number of layoffs while I was gone. Thankfully I'm am not one of the ones without a job. George From George_Best at adp.com Tue Jun 9 08:22:50 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:22:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] LaFormi-Jimmy O? In-Reply-To: <8A5212FC-DA4C-4A32-B334-4D0ED67033C8@rustyiron.com> References: <8A5212FC-DA4C-4A32-B334-4D0ED67033C8@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4567DE5B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> So does anyone on this list know who got the La Fourmi engine? I saw at least 4 La Fourmi engines on the trip, including one that is for sale but is on the large size and is the largest known LaFourmi of the 15 or so known to exist. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 3:16 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] LaFormi-Jimmy O? Nope. My meager bid was insufficient. I knew Jimmy was sniffing around, and was hoping that he got it so I could see it run when he brought it out to a show. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On May 31, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > Rob, > > Are you bragging? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Jun 9 10:00:42 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 13:00:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures In-Reply-To: References: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> <6f6025160906081314n756805fdrc7385433cc61ac9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: George, It seems you were traveling with a rough bunch...... bread thieves, hotel breaking and entering...... partying with the world cup field hockey super girls all night. The only thing worse was having to eat that Shworma every night and guzzling that Belgian ale! All in all though I'd give at at least a 101 out of 100 road trip score. Maybe I,ll get all 6,000 photos posted by next week..... or at least by the time Arnie finishes the Benz/Lorenz registry! Thanks guys for a great trip, Absolutely the finest road trip on earth, Steve.... the Good Cloistered Oyster Brother > From: george at irontrader.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:26:19 -0700 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures > > Peter.... I'm pretty tired at the moment. > > First of all Arnie and the Roysters kept us up till midnight almost every > night! > > Then I had to get up at 3:30am Holland time. > > By the time I complete this next flight and drive home (11pm Pacific time > zone) I'll have been up for 28.5 hours. I'm getting too old for this type > of travel ;-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 1:14 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures > > > > 2009/6/8 George Best : > >> Elden, > >> > >> There were all of the engines you mentioned at the show. > >> > > > > I don't think we got all the engines, and quite possibly missed a few > > in the process. > > > > Have a safe trip home, George, you'll need the rest! > > > > Peter > > -- > > Peter A Forbes > > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 From George_Best at adp.com Tue Jun 9 11:27:35 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 13:27:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT In-Reply-To: References: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> <6f6025160906081314n756805fdrc7385433cc61ac9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4567E474@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Netherlands: In the Netherlands, shawarma (shoarma) is a popular meal, especially after a night out. Here it is served as pork, chicken, beef or lamb combined with salad and garlic sauce. It is usually served with French Fries (friet or patat) and can be bought from many places, including the local snackbars. It is generally served with pit? bread, which is cut open and the meat is placed inside. This is called Broodje Shoarma (small bread with shoarma) although can be served in larger portions without bread. Dutch Shoarma is not produced as described in the method above - spit roasted, but is pre diced lamb or pork that is then grilled or fried, or a combination of both. Actually, we didn't have it every night, contrary to what Steve said ;-) First night at Eindhoven we wandered around looking for a restaurant I have eaten at in the past. We couldn't find it, but found another neighborhood restaurant that served shoarma. It was pretty good and possibly better than the one we were searching for. We did try for shoarma one night in Harry's home town, but they had sold out by the time we arrived and had to have something else. The last night of the tour we had actually planned on going to the pancake ship in Leeuwarden, but the group started the shoarma chant so we decided to return to the local restaurant hoping they were not sold out. They were not, so most of us had a shoarma meal the last night. Steve didn't mention that he didn't have shoarma, but had the spareribs which were quite tasty. Better than the ones he had in Belgium. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:01 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures George, It seems you were traveling with a rough bunch...... bread thieves, hotel breaking and entering...... partying with the world cup field hockey super girls all night. The only thing worse was having to eat that Shworma every night and guzzling that Belgian ale! All in all though I'd give at at least a 101 out of 100 road trip score. Maybe I,ll get all 6,000 photos posted by next week..... or at least by the time Arnie finishes the Benz/Lorenz registry! Thanks guys for a great trip, Absolutely the finest road trip on earth, Steve.... the Good Cloistered Oyster Brother > From: george at irontrader.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:26:19 -0700 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures > > Peter.... I'm pretty tired at the moment. > > First of all Arnie and the Roysters kept us up till midnight almost every > night! > > Then I had to get up at 3:30am Holland time. > > By the time I complete this next flight and drive home (11pm Pacific time > zone) I'll have been up for 28.5 hours. I'm getting too old for this type > of travel ;-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 1:14 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nuenen Engine Rally Pictures > > > > 2009/6/8 George Best : > >> Elden, > >> > >> There were all of the engines you mentioned at the show. > >> > > > > I don't think we got all the engines, and quite possibly missed a few > > in the process. > > > > Have a safe trip home, George, you'll need the rest! > > > > Peter > > -- > > Peter A Forbes > > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that's right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jun 9 13:06:46 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 16:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4567E474@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> <6f6025160906081314n756805fdrc7385433cc61ac9f@mail.gmail.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4567E474@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Meow... Cat - the other white meat... Tasty though... 8-)) On Tue, June 9, 2009 2:27 pm, Best, George wrote: > In the shawarma (shoarma) is a > popular meal, especially after a night out. Here it is served as pork, chicken, > beef or lamb combined with salad and garlic sauce. > The last night of the tour we had actually planned on going to the pancake ship in > Leeuwarden, but the group started the shoarma chant so we decided to return to the > local restaurant hoping they were not sold out. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jun 9 15:26:55 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 18:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Manilla Rally 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: G'day Patrick, Great rally pics as always. That Waterloo Boy tractor is a gorgeous piece of work. It reminds me of Jerry Kieffer's John Deere. http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/Kieffer1.htm The craftsmen who do this sort of work are truly an inspiration in an age where much of the manufacturing has been shipped off to cheap third-world countries and the best that so many folks can manage is to press the button on the TV remote. Let's hope that this gent (and the others) keep their passion! See ya, Arnie On Mon, June 8, 2009 1:27 am, Patrick wrote: > Another excellent rally at Manilla. We left home at 3.50am and arrived in > Manilla at 9.50am. The Austral was unloaded and running within 20 minutes. > The weather was fine both days although there was a massive downpour at > about 3am Sunday morning, thankfully we were staying at the pub rather than > in a tent. > The Austral did not miss a beat all weekend and is going well for its 92nd > year. There were a lot of nice engines but my favourite was a scale model of > the Waterloo Boy Tractor which took 7020 hours to build. It ran and drove > just like the full scale version: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/man09/pages/0906050175_JPG.htm From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jun 10 07:02:27 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:02:27 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090610155714.01ca6cf0@mail.atech.co.za> > >From: David Rotigel >Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils > >On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > Today was work (day job) again so I've > > not been able to do anything to the Maytag..... > > (I still cannot start it easily with the kick start!) > > Keep the revs up (or down) > > Jerry Evans > >Hi Jerry. And your point is? > Dave Hi Dave, So glad to hear from you. This thread has been going for about 10 days and you had not commented yet - I was really getting worried - I thought you may have been sick or worse still maybe gone "room temperature" :-) Good to see that you're still around. :-) Keep well Jerry From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Jun 10 06:56:47 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:56:47 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090610155315.01ca8840@mail.atech.co.za> Hi All, Many thanks to all of you who replied with such good information. I'm sifting through it and learning - which is what this is all about! I've not touched the engine again (day job etc.etc.) but will keep you informed. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jun 10 07:30:19 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils In-Reply-To: <20090609022838.F3CF61D101D@mail04.wcoil.com> References: <20090609022838.F3CF61D101D@mail04.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <2120.165.206.180.130.1244644219.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Yeah, long time. Well, I missed the MN meet - Mike was tied up moving his sister back to Iowa so he didn't go, and I was busy working on my Javelin and other projects. Then Waukee came up and I didn't make that either! Just too much going on this year. I would hope it was better- last year it was really really down - of course the high fuel prices helped do that. Mike was fine last I spoke with him - been a few weeks. He keeps busy, too - still get email from him every few days. Him and his corny jokes! HOPEFULLY, next year I'll be back into the engines, this year, it's the year of the cars........Major restoration of the rear suspension and undercarriage on the Jav - attention to detail like proper bolt finish, etc. Some have compared my differential restoration to the Ashmeade MD Javelin. (google that one) Bill > Hi Bill, > Long Time no hear. How was Waukee this year? I hear things were > some better then last. Sure missed going out. > Hows Mike B haven't heard from him in even longer. Mark > > At 09:26 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote: >>Yes, I was trained by Sun on the use of he scope, own a scope now, and >> got >>my first job by showing the service manager what was wrong with the Ford >> he >>ws working on. >>You can see it all in the scope pattern...... And tell a LOT about an >>engine, even mechanically, if you can read the scope. >>The full operating of the system would take pages............ >> >>I've still got all my Sun training guides downstairs......... Pages and >>pages. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden >> DuRand >>Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:48 PM >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils >> >>Jerry & Bill: >> >>A couple of years ago, I did a study of point/coil/condenser (battery or >>mag) and ignitor ignition electrics. >> >>The condenser is, in fact, needed in order to produce a "hot" spark at >> the >>plug. As a side effect, it also supresses arcing at the points. >> >>What you have with this type of ignition is a parallel resonant L/C >> circuit. >>The "L" is the inductance of the primary of the coil plus the reflected >>inductance of the secondary of the coil. The "C" is the capacitance of >> the >>condenser. >> >>What happens is that when the points are closed, there is a magnetic >> field >>produced by the primary in the core of the coil. At this time, the >>condenser does not exist in the circuit, being short-circuited by the >>points. >> >>The fun begins when the points open. As soon as the points open, the >> field >>of the coil begins to collapse, inducing a voltage across the condenser >>which is now in the circuit. The rate at which the voltage rises is >>dependent upon the capacity of the condenser and the inductance of the >> coil. >>Once the coil's field has collapsed completely (and made one spark at the >>plug), the condenser is charged up and has nowhere else to discharge >> itself >>but back into the primary of the coil, which it does, causing the >> magnetic >>field to build back up in the coil (albeit at a lower voltage|). When >> the >>condenser has discharged itself, the field of the coil again collapses >>(making another, weaker, spark) and charges the condenser again. This >> goes >>on for several cycles and is called a "damped oscillation". >> >>The reason the points burn if you don't have a condenser across them is >> that >>the voltage rises faster than the points can open and a series of small >> arcs >>occur at the points as they relatively slowly open, adding up to a big >>heating event. >> >>There is actually a damped oscillation in the coil even without the >>condenser. This is caused by the distributed capacitance of the coil and >>wiring. The frequency of this oscillation is very high and the coil, as >>designed, is very inefficient at producing a high secondary voltage at >> this >>frequency. >> >>If you want to see oscilloscope pictures of what happens in a >>point/coil/condenser, go to my web page (below my signature) then go to >>"Otherstuff" and pick your subject. >> >>Oh, yes. You can get very scientific about the value of the condenser >> used >>but most of the coils aren't very picky about just what resonant >> frequency >>they resonate at. As long as the value is between 0.15 microfarad and >> 0.47 >>microfarad, you should be okay. If you get a non-automotive condenser, >> get >>a film type (NOT ELECTROLYTIC!) capacitor rated at 630 Volts DC and you >> will >>be fine. >> >>Please note that this is just an audit class. No quizzes will be given. >> >>Take care - Elden >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> > Behalf Of >> > bill at antique-engines.com >> > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 02:14 PM >> > To: The SEL email discussion list >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Recharging of Maytag coils >> > >> > >> > Having a degree in automotive technology, earned when points were >> > still in use to some degree, here's why I state that it MAY, mind you >> > MAY not start and/or run, or run properly: >> > >> > When the points open, the sudden loss of primary current causes a >> > quickly collapsing magnetic field in the coil which induces a larger >> > voltage in the secondary windings. The voltage traveling through the >> > secondary winding in turn induces a current flow, in reverse, in the >> > primary circuit >> > - enough to cause the points to arc. >> > This "back emf" is due to the design of the ignition coil and its >> > inherent inductance. This feedback of electrical energy causes a >> > spark to occur at the points that pits and erodes the contact >> > surfaces. To suppress this energy, a condenser is used. It acts like >> > a shock absorber (absorbing the back emf), ** and in so doing it helps >> > to interrupt the primary current as quickly as possible when the >> > points open. >> > Without the condenser, the back emf would form an arc across the >> > points as they separate, ** slowing the collapse of the coil's field, >> > thus delaying and thereby reducing the voltage rise in the secondary >> > coil winding - ~possibly~ reducing it enough to cause it to not span >> > the plugs gap. The condenser suppresses most, but not all of the back >> > emf. So points still burn or erode. >> > >> > Bill >> > >> > > It should start and run without the condenser >> > but only till the >> > > points burn which can be fairly quickly. The >> > condenser has little to >> > > do with the actual generation of spark, more to >> > do with the >> > > protection of the points from arching and >> > burning quickly. If you try >> > > it without a condenser gap the points a bit >> > wider then the spec .020 >> > > to get a clean break or so that the arc flame >> > between the points does >> > > quit due to width of gap. Mark >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.58/2164 - Release Date: >>06/08/09 17:59:00 > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. > Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Jun 10 05:36:02 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - air compressor question In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com><20090609000042.708FD1D0CBB@mail04.wcoil.com><0KKY000O45P53W80@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <20090609022350.D152A1475C3@mail01.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <1574.165.206.180.130.1244637362.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> What is the following worth (and are they worth a tinkers dang) Roughly 6 years old, use 4, sat in the shop unused for 2 years. Sanborn, 5hp, single stage, 220v 60 gallon tank, vertical air compressor. Very clean, still bolted to the wood pallet. Owner changed oil on a regular basis. I know little of sanborn, but sure have heard the name a lot. My 25 year old Sears 20 gallon 3hp unit is, well, not keeping up with me, and with my new shop, I'm tired of running hoses between buildings, or hauling the little compressor back and forth. From ddotto at cableone.net Thu Jun 11 19:08:35 2009 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:08:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT - air compressor question In-Reply-To: <1574.165.206.180.130.1244637362.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com><20090609000042.708FD1D0CBB@mail04.wcoil.com><0KKY000O45P53W80@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net><20090609022350.D152A1475C3@mail01.wcoil.com> <1574.165.206.180.130.1244637362.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <5A3DC3B80E4A48F9B0823890F6EF93AF@SHOP> For what it's worth; I have had one of these in my shop for close to 25 years. It has never given me a single problem and it gets quite a bit of use. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill at antique-engines.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 6:36 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] OT - air compressor question What is the following worth (and are they worth a tinkers dang) Roughly 6 years old, use 4, sat in the shop unused for 2 years. Sanborn, 5hp, single stage, 220v 60 gallon tank, vertical air compressor. Very clean, still bolted to the wood pallet. Owner changed oil on a regular basis. I know little of sanborn, but sure have heard the name a lot. My 25 year old Sears 20 gallon 3hp unit is, well, not keeping up with me, and with my new shop, I'm tired of running hoses between buildings, or hauling the little compressor back and forth. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4149 (20090611) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 11 17:36:32 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem Message-ID: <300953.24160.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Paul, How are you doing on this? Alan --- On Mon, 6/8/09, S. Work wrote: From: S. Work Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 1:34 AM Inquiry : If you want equal water distribution, at each of the 16 locations , Why are you feeding it from the end ? Your feed points should be about center of the long runs, And 1 cross tube in the center, instead of on both ends. - - - -? | - - - - ???????? | - - - -? | - - - - ??????? ?X - Connect hose here .? ? Add a Union on the cross feed tube for easy removal and storage :-) If ya really want it to Trickle, Put a coarse acquarium airstone at each drill point.? The Ingot shaped 2 Inch long, and 3/4 inch wide should do nicely. P.S. Glad you're back on your feet ! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > Folks I need to apply equal amounts of water at 16 locations around a rectangular square made if 1/2" pvc pipe. (8 locations down each side and none on ends) > > The length of each side of the rectangle is 111" and the ends are 27". > > http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/?action=view?t=diagram.jpg > > One man told me to drill 1/4" holes at each of the 16 locations but I argued with him that the first few 1/4" holes located closest to the input of the water would get more water than the rest and he said it would not.....well they did. The first 4 holes on each side of the PVC closest to the inlet of the water shot out streams of water about 4" long and the last holes, the ones furthest away from the inlet of the water just dribbled water. > > I am only drilling holes down the length of the rectangle and none on the ends. The PVC pipe size is 1/2" and as stated above the length of each side is 111" long. > > I use a 5/8" water hose (it only has a 1/2" bore size) to bring water to the inlet of the rectangle. The bore size of the 1/2" pvc pipe is .485", almost 1/2". > > The water flow rate is 5 gpm per minute coming out of the end of the 5/8 hose. > > Can someone tell me how to plumb the rectangle in order to achieve an equal flow of water at each of the 16 drilled hole outlets. I would assume I will have to start out with small holes closest to the inlet and gradually get bigger towards the end opposite the inlet of the water. I just want the water to dribble out and not shoot out in streams and I need, as close as I can get it, equal amounts coming out at each of the 16 drilled locations. > > At each of these 16 locations there is a tomato plant. I am trying to calculate how long to leave the water on in order to be able to supply 1" of water to each plant as the tomato plants require 1" of water weekly and more during the hot months. > > I will appreciate any and all help on this. > > Thanks, > > Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 11 19:47:11 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:47:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need wiring diagram for Dodge Truck Message-ID: Does anyone have a wiring diagram for a 1997 Dodge Truck 1500 Series? I have tried everywhere to find one and cannot locate one, even the local AutoZone Store could not help me. The local Dodge Dealer Service manager is a friend of mine and said he would get me one but that was a week ago and everytime I talk to him he just tells me he has been too busy to work on it so I have given up on him. The large expensive light switch has burned out twice on my grandson's truck and I want to wire around the darn switch. Right now he has no lights. According to Dodge these switches were a major trouble spot on this model truck. I specifically need just the headlight wiring diagram so I can figure out how to wire around the light switch. Thanks, Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 11 19:54:16 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:54:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem References: <300953.24160.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alan, right now I have put it on a temporary hold. My wife developed some problems and I took her to the doctor and we will know tomorrow when the lab tests come back if she has cancer or not. This was a shock to us and has taken my spirit away for now. I have been manually watering the two beds for now. Also, my grandson who lives with me has a truck that has no lights which is stressing me out as we cannot insure him to drive our vehicles and I need to get this fixed so I do not have to haul him around. Right now my plate is full but I am hoping for the best and maybe things will turn out OK and I can get back to some of my projects. Thanks for checking on this with me. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem Hi Paul, How are you doing on this? Alan --- On Mon, 6/8/09, S. Work wrote: From: S. Work Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 1:34 AM Inquiry : If you want equal water distribution, at each of the 16 locations , Why are you feeding it from the end ? Your feed points should be about center of the long runs, And 1 cross tube in the center, instead of on both ends. - - - - | - - - - | - - - - | - - - - X - Connect hose here . Add a Union on the cross feed tube for easy removal and storage :-) If ya really want it to Trickle, Put a coarse acquarium airstone at each drill point. The Ingot shaped 2 Inch long, and 3/4 inch wide should do nicely. P.S. Glad you're back on your feet ! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Help On Water Flow Problem > Folks I need to apply equal amounts of water at 16 locations around a > rectangular square made if 1/2" pvc pipe. (8 locations down each side and > none on ends) > > The length of each side of the rectangle is 111" and the ends are 27". > > http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/wheelterrapin/?action=view?t=diagram.jpg > > One man told me to drill 1/4" holes at each of the 16 locations but I > argued with him that the first few 1/4" holes located closest to the input > of the water would get more water than the rest and he said it would > not.....well they did. The first 4 holes on each side of the PVC closest > to the inlet of the water shot out streams of water about 4" long and the > last holes, the ones furthest away from the inlet of the water just > dribbled water. > > I am only drilling holes down the length of the rectangle and none on the > ends. The PVC pipe size is 1/2" and as stated above the length of each > side is 111" long. > > I use a 5/8" water hose (it only has a 1/2" bore size) to bring water to > the inlet of the rectangle. The bore size of the 1/2" pvc pipe is .485", > almost 1/2". > > The water flow rate is 5 gpm per minute coming out of the end of the 5/8 > hose. > > Can someone tell me how to plumb the rectangle in order to achieve an > equal flow of water at each of the 16 drilled hole outlets. I would assume > I will have to start out with small holes closest to the inlet and > gradually get bigger towards the end opposite the inlet of the water. I > just want the water to dribble out and not shoot out in streams and I > need, as close as I can get it, equal amounts coming out at each of the 16 > drilled locations. > > At each of these 16 locations there is a tomato plant. I am trying to > calculate how long to leave the water on in order to be able to supply 1" > of water to each plant as the tomato plants require 1" of water weekly and > more during the hot months. > > I will appreciate any and all help on this. > > Thanks, > > Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Thu Jun 11 20:59:51 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:59:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need wiring diagram for Dodge Truck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A31D2B7.8060301@telenet.net> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > Does anyone have a wiring diagram for a 1997 Dodge Truck 1500 Series? > I have tried everywhere to find one and cannot locate one, even the > local AutoZone Store could not help me. The local Dodge Dealer > Service manager is a friend of mine and said he would get me one but > that was a week ago and everytime I talk to him he just tells me he > has been too busy to work on it so I have given up on him. > > The large expensive light switch has burned out twice on my > grandson's truck and I want to wire around the darn switch. Right now > he has no lights. According to Dodge these switches were a major > trouble spot on this model truck. > > I specifically need just the headlight wiring diagram so I can figure > out how to wire around the light switch. > > Thanks, > > Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > On the way, Check you mail. -- Steve Williams From falcon at telenet.net Thu Jun 11 21:04:38 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:04:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - air compressor question In-Reply-To: <1574.165.206.180.130.1244637362.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com><20090609000042.708FD1D0CBB@mail04.wcoil.com><0KKY000O45P53W80@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <20090609022350.D152A1475C3@mail01.wcoil.com> <1574.165.206.180.130.1244637362.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <4A31D3D6.2060201@telenet.net> bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > What is the following worth (and are they worth a tinkers dang) > > Roughly 6 years old, use 4, sat in the shop unused for 2 years. > Sanborn, 5hp, single stage, 220v 60 gallon tank, vertical air compressor. > Very clean, still bolted to the wood pallet. Owner changed oil on a > regular basis. > > I know little of sanborn, but sure have heard the name a lot. > My 25 year old Sears 20 gallon 3hp unit is, well, not keeping up with me, > and with my new shop, I'm tired of running hoses between buildings, or > hauling the little compressor back and forth. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Not worth much, Uh where is it I'll be happy to "scrap" it for you... Sanborn makes a good unit. However if this is a home store type unit you would be better off looking at the CFM plate. Your old Sears may actually be putting out more air. -- Steve Williams From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Fri Jun 12 04:03:45 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:03:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4567E474@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> <6f6025160906081314n756805fdrc7385433cc61ac9f@mail.gmail.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4567E474@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <4A323611.5080704@steamengine.com.au> Sounds like Souvlaki to me - go find someplace that makes greek food :) Best, George wrote: > Netherlands: In the Netherlands, shawarma (shoarma) is a popular meal, especially after a night out. Here it is served as pork, chicken, beef or lamb combined with salad and garlic sauce. It is usually served with French Fries (friet or patat) and can be bought from many places, including the local snackbars. It is generally served with pit? bread, which is cut open and the meat is placed inside. This is called Broodje Shoarma (small bread with shoarma) although can be served in larger portions without bread. Dutch Shoarma is not produced as described in the method above - spit roasted, but is pre diced lamb or pork that is then grilled or fried, or a combination of both. > > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Jun 12 06:30:33 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 06:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - air compressor question In-Reply-To: <4A31D3D6.2060201@telenet.net> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090608192052.01c84010@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1831.165.206.180.130.1244484714.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com><20090608184033.2881F1D0D3F@mail04.wcoil.com><20090609000042.708FD1D0CBB@mail04.wcoil.com><0KKY000O45P53W80@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> <20090609022350.D152A1475C3@mail01.wcoil.com> <1574.165.206.180.130.1244637362.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <4A31D3D6.2060201@telenet.net> Message-ID: <4193.165.206.180.130.1244813433.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> "Black Max" label across the front. Coleman decal on the motor mounting, "Made in U.S.A" on the unit, and on the motor. No CFM plate/decal that I can see! 15 amps at 230v, states 5hp on it. > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >> What is the following worth (and are they worth a tinkers dang) >> >> Roughly 6 years old, use 4, sat in the shop unused for 2 years. >> Sanborn, 5hp, single stage, 220v 60 gallon tank, vertical air >> compressor. >> Very clean, still bolted to the wood pallet. Owner changed oil on a >> regular basis. >> >> I know little of sanborn, but sure have heard the name a lot. >> My 25 year old Sears 20 gallon 3hp unit is, well, not keeping up with >> me, >> and with my new shop, I'm tired of running hoses between buildings, or >> hauling the little compressor back and forth. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > Not worth much, Uh where is it I'll be happy to "scrap" it for you... > > Sanborn makes a good unit. However if this is a home store type unit you > would be better off looking at the CFM plate. Your old Sears may > actually be putting out more air. > > -- > Steve Williams > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Jun 12 07:26:10 2009 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:26:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - air compressor question Message-ID: <20090612.102610.1580.4.jlb94> I have a Sanborn that I paid $400 for about a gazillion years ago. It's 220 V 15 amp 30 gallon upright. Never had any problems. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) ?A dog is the only animal that loves it's owner more than it loves itself." On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:36:02 -0700 (PDT) bill at antique-engines.com writes: > What is the following worth (and are they worth a tinkers dang) > > Roughly 6 years old, use 4, sat in the shop unused for 2 years. > Sanborn, 5hp, single stage, 220v 60 gallon tank, vertical air > compressor. > Very clean, still bolted to the wood pallet. Owner changed oil on a > regular basis. > > I know little of sanborn, but sure have heard the name a lot. > My 25 year old Sears 20 gallon 3hp unit is, well, not keeping up > with me, > and with my new shop, I'm tired of running hoses between buildings, > or > hauling the little compressor back and forth. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ____________________________________________________________ Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIzQcAhc8hoju0EQ2H15ECwCpX9Brm8LdyZa8fnjtJWYNaysQIXcc/ From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Jun 12 07:53:20 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - air compressor question In-Reply-To: <20090612.102610.1580.4.jlb94> References: <20090612.102610.1580.4.jlb94> Message-ID: <4730.165.206.180.130.1244818400.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> >From the answers so far, seems they must be ok, at least reliable. second - I was under the impression that Dave was the only list member who was that old. Bill > I have a Sanborn that I paid $400 for about a gazillion years ago. > It's 220 V 15 amp 30 gallon upright. Never had any problems. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) ?A dog is the only animal that loves it's owner more than > it loves itself." > > > On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:36:02 -0700 (PDT) bill at antique-engines.com writes: >> What is the following worth (and are they worth a tinkers dang) >> >> Roughly 6 years old, use 4, sat in the shop unused for 2 years. >> Sanborn, 5hp, single stage, 220v 60 gallon tank, vertical air >> compressor. >> Very clean, still bolted to the wood pallet. Owner changed oil on a >> regular basis. >> >> I know little of sanborn, but sure have heard the name a lot. >> My 25 year old Sears 20 gallon 3hp unit is, well, not keeping up >> with me, >> and with my new shop, I'm tired of running hoses between buildings, >> or >> hauling the little compressor back and forth. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIzQcAhc8hoju0EQ2H15ECwCpX9Brm8LdyZa8fnjtJWYNaysQIXcc/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Jun 12 10:21:13 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:21:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT In-Reply-To: <4A323611.5080704@steamengine.com.au> References: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> <6f6025160906081314n756805fdrc7385433cc61ac9f@mail.gmail.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4567E474@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <4A323611.5080704@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: We ate Shoarma several times during the EHOWT 09 tour and none of the chef's could tell us what kind of meat we were eating. I did note at the last restaurant there was a pet store in the same building........... The flavor was great and the sauces they serve with it are really good as well, I wish I was back there already! Steve > Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:03:45 +1000 > From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT > > Sounds like Souvlaki to me - go find someplace that makes greek food :) > > Best, George wrote: > > Netherlands: In the Netherlands, shawarma (shoarma) is a popular meal, especially after a night out. Here it is served as pork, chicken, beef or lamb combined with salad and garlic sauce. It is usually served with French Fries (friet or patat) and can be bought from many places, including the local snackbars. It is generally served with pit? bread, which is cut open and the meat is placed inside. This is called Broodje Shoarma (small bread with shoarma) although can be served in larger portions without bread. Dutch Shoarma is not produced as described in the method above - spit roasted, but is pre diced lamb or pork that is then grilled or fried, or a combination of both. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 From George_Best at adp.com Fri Jun 12 10:31:49 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:31:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT In-Reply-To: References: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> <6f6025160906081314n756805fdrc7385433cc61ac9f@mail.gmail.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4567E474@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <4A323611.5080704@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A458C6BF0@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Of course Steve keeps forgetting that he had ribs the last night rather than shoarma. Those little cat ribs he had sure looked cute! ;-) Personally, the dog ribs would have been a better choice ;-) George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:21 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT We ate Shoarma several times during the EHOWT 09 tour and none of the chef's could tell us what kind of meat we were eating. I did note at the last restaurant there was a pet store in the same building........... The flavor was great and the sauces they serve with it are really good as well, I wish I was back there already! Steve > Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:03:45 +1000 > From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT > > Sounds like Souvlaki to me - go find someplace that makes greek food :) > > Best, George wrote: > > Netherlands: In the Netherlands, shawarma (shoarma) is a popular meal, especially after a night out. Here it is served as pork, chicken, beef or lamb combined with salad and garlic sauce. It is usually served with French Fries (friet or patat) and can be bought from many places, including the local snackbars. It is generally served with pit? bread, which is cut open and the meat is placed inside. This is called Broodje Shoarma (small bread with shoarma) although can be served in larger portions without bread. Dutch Shoarma is not produced as described in the method above - spit roasted, but is pre diced lamb or pork that is then grilled or fried, or a combination of both. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 10:51:34 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:51:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: WWII Radio Equipment Wanted Message-ID: <6f6025160906121051h2a026c7cn29030334dd8eb018@mail.gmail.com> The Wings of Liberation Museum in Best, Near Eindhoven are looking for help with obtaining any of the follwing items: Rotary Converters for the T1154 and R1155 Transmitter/receivers WS No 12 - Complete unit (We have a WS No 12 Generator that we will be donating) WS No 33 - Any parts or complete set. Any Avro Lancaster or Spitfire/Hurrican radio equipment or parts (The museum does have some equipment already) Jones Plugs (Number of ways etc not specified) These are the flat-bladed connectors so beloved of the Allies on their radios. Norman T600 Portable Generator. Any leads or assistance would be gratefully received by Jan Hulleman on behalf of the Museum. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Jun 12 13:37:07 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (lcjudge at scrtc.com) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:37:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT In-Reply-To: References: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2><6f6025160906081314n756805fdrc7385433cc61ac9f@mail.gmail.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4567E474@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <4A323611.5080704@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <1998401993-1244839027-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2120576875-@bxe1193.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> We used to have a dog problem in my town until a Korean and Chinese restaurant moved in. They're getting quite rare now (rare as in we don't see stray dogs anymore, not as in how they are cooked cooked). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device provided by Bluegrass Cellular -----Original Message----- From: Steve Royster Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:21:13 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT We ate Shoarma several times during the EHOWT 09 tour and none of the chef's could tell us what kind of meat we were eating. I did note at the last restaurant there was a pet store in the same building........... The flavor was great and the sauces they serve with it are really good as well, I wish I was back there already! Steve > Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:03:45 +1000 > From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT > > Sounds like Souvlaki to me - go find someplace that makes greek food :) > > Best, George wrote: > > Netherlands: In the Netherlands, shawarma (shoarma) is a popular meal, especially after a night out. Here it is served as pork, chicken, beef or lamb combined with salad and garlic sauce. It is usually served with French Fries (friet or patat) and can be bought from many places, including the local snackbars. It is generally served with pit? bread, which is cut open and the meat is placed inside. This is called Broodje Shoarma (small bread with shoarma) although can be served in larger portions without bread. Dutch Shoarma is not produced as described in the method above - spit roasted, but is pre diced lamb or pork that is then grilled or fried, or a combination of both. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Fri Jun 12 19:26:19 2009 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:26:19 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT Message-ID: Heck Tommy I am kinda fond of frog legs myself. NOT KK In a message dated 6/12/2009 4:44:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: We used to have a dog problem in my town until a Korean and Chinese restaurant moved in. They're getting quite rare now (rare as in we don't see stray dogs anymore, not as in how they are cooked cooked). Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY **************Shop Dell?s full line of Laptops now starting at $349! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221881320x1201406166/aol?redir=http:%2F%2 Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215218036%3B37264217%3Bz) From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Fri Jun 12 19:29:43 2009 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:29:43 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT Message-ID: Lot of 2 legged things around. Now what the heck is Shoarma? Kk In a message dated 6/12/2009 1:24:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, steve_royster at hotmail.com writes: We ate Shoarma several times during the EHOWT 09 tour and none of the chef's could tell us what kind of meat we were eating. I did note at the last restaurant there was a pet store in the same building........... **************Shop Dell?s full line of Laptops now starting at $349! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221881320x1201406166/aol?redir=http:%2F%2 Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215218036%3B37264217%3Bz) From falcon at telenet.net Fri Jun 12 19:35:32 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:35:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: WWII Radio Equipment Wanted In-Reply-To: <6f6025160906121051h2a026c7cn29030334dd8eb018@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160906121051h2a026c7cn29030334dd8eb018@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A331074.2000802@telenet.net> Listerdiesel wrote: > The Wings of Liberation Museum in Best, Near Eindhoven are looking for > help with obtaining any of the follwing items: > > Rotary Converters for the T1154 and R1155 Transmitter/receivers > WS No 12 - Complete unit (We have a WS No 12 Generator that we will be donating) > WS No 33 - Any parts or complete set. > Any Avro Lancaster or Spitfire/Hurrican radio equipment or parts (The > museum does have some equipment already) > Jones Plugs (Number of ways etc not specified) These are the > flat-bladed connectors so beloved of the Allies on their radios. http://www.cinch.com/products/electronic-communication-systems/jones-plugs-sockets > > Norman T600 Portable Generator. > > Any leads or assistance would be gratefully received by Jan Hulleman > on behalf of the Museum. > > Peter -- Steve W From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Jun 12 21:13:15 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT In-Reply-To: References: <7F201B238BB94633B1E5E452331573D8@BLUE2> <6f6025160906081314n756805fdrc7385433cc61ac9f@mail.gmail.com> <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A4567E474@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <4A323611.5080704@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: MEOW! (Cat - the other white meat...) On Fri, June 12, 2009 1:21 pm, Steve Royster wrote: > > We ate Shoarma several times during the EHOWT 09 tour and none of the chef's could > tell us what kind of meat we were eating. I did note at the last restaurant there > was a pet store in the same building........... > > The flavor was great and the sauces they serve with it are really good as well, I > wish I was back there already! Steve From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Jun 13 07:16:40 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:16:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Uhhh...... Shoarma is the name of the waitress at the restaurant? Dave - Can you tell us for sure. I don't think any of the tour folks are gonna spill the beans..... er .....shoarma. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 09:30 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT > > > Lot of 2 legged things around. Now what the heck > is Shoarma? > Kk From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Jun 13 10:19:07 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:19:07 +0200 Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090613185458.01937238@mail.atech.co.za> At 06:00 PM 13/06/2009, somebody wrote: >Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:03:45 +1000 > > > Sounds like Souvlaki to me - go find someplace that makes greek food :) Not Greek or Souvlakia, Middle Eastern - Turkey, Israel and all those Arab places. In South Africa it is pronounced "sha warma". As Paul mentioned, it is roast meat (usually beef here but probably originally camel or goat). The meat is sliced and stuck onto a revolving spike (skewer) and roasted on an upright electric grill (probably originally an open fire). It is best carved when the outside of the meat is crisp (almost burnt). When carved it comes off in quite small "slices" which are placed (with sauces and veggies) into a sliced open piece of pita bread. Pita bread is similar to bread but made without yeast so it does not rise - like a flat hamburger roll. Delicious if you're sure of the origin of the meat :-) I have seen take away joints that just fry the meat on a hot plate but this is not as nice as the "grilled on a skewer" method. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Jun 13 10:25:06 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:25:06 +0200 Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090613192130.01945fd0@mail.atech.co.za> At 06:00 PM 13/06/2009, you wrote: >From: lcjudge at scrtc.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT > >We used to have a dog problem in my town until a Korean and Chinese >restaurant moved in. They're getting quite rare now (rare as in we don't >see stray dogs anymore, not as in how they are cooked cooked). >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY Hi Tommy, Our neighboring country, Botswana, used to have the same problem with stray dogs (and donkeys) until a Korean syndicate moved in to build a road across the country. When the road was finished so were the stray dogs. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From mickc782 at hotmail.com Sun Jun 14 05:52:42 2009 From: mickc782 at hotmail.com (michael christie) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:22:42 +1030 Subject: [SEL] OT: possible motorcycle pickup from, ventura, california ?? Message-ID: g'day all is there anybody that lives near Ventura, California that could possible pick up an old vintage indian motorcycle? and also put it in a small crate for me?? am looking at bidding on an old bike on ebay and it is located there and the seller wont help with crating the bike. bike is loosly assembled. i will pay for gas money and materials for crate as well. i have a shipping company that can pick up the bike from the front door of anyone that can help, but it needs to be crated, so if anybody could help it would be greatly appreciated. cheers mick _________________________________________________________________ POP access for Hotmail is here! Click here to find out more http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=802246 From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Jun 14 09:42:07 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 09:42:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: possible motorcycle pickup from, Ventura, California ?? Message-ID: <20090614.094208.1848.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Mick. I am about 90 miles away, If you can't find anyone closer I will do it. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:22:42 +1030 michael christie writes: > > g'day all > > is there anybody that lives near Ventura, California that could > possible pick up an old vintage indian motorcycle? and also put it > in a small crate for me?? am looking at bidding on an old bike on > ebay and it is located there and the seller wont help with crating > the bike. bike is loosly assembled. i will pay for gas money and > materials for crate as well. i have a shipping company that can pick > up the bike from the front door of anyone that can help, but it > needs to be crated, so if anybody could help it would be greatly > appreciated. > > cheers > > mick > ____________________________________________________________ Make the right decisions about your inheritance. Click here for more information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFQPHOJQdOiWrEgIBjcdTgoLXMEgOqDR6u1g6CWXqYHhUHiyeMRaw/ From george at irontrader.com Sun Jun 14 16:14:07 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:14:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT References: Message-ID: The waitress that Steve liked wasn't at a shoarma place. She was at the hotel restaurant in Belgium where we stayed on Friday night. Ask Steve about "Zippers" ;-) George :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT > Uhhh...... Shoarma is the name of the waitress at the restaurant? > From enginepaul at gmail.com Sun Jun 14 16:39:40 2009 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:39:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0906141639r23be637bh2d172200bce2d0b7@mail.gmail.com> " it is roast meat (usually beef here but probably originally camel or goat). The meat is sliced and stuck onto a revolving spike (skewer) and roasted on an upright electric grill (probably originally an open fire). " Next time you are in San Francisco, try Tommy's Joint (Geary & Van Ness) - they use buffalo (American Bison) cooked that way. Paul in Northern California From bvandragt at comcast.net Sun Jun 14 20:02:29 2009 From: bvandragt at comcast.net (Brian VanDragt) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:02:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Novo BA-23 engine Message-ID: Hello all, I have been a member of the ATIS tractor list for years, but now I need some small engine help. My grandpa made a homemade tractor in the 40's using a Novo BA-23 single cylinder air cooled engine. I got the tractor back a few years ago without the engine. On Saturday I just picked up a Novo BA-23 engine and it needs a carburetor including the intake manifold elbow, and a magneto. The make and model numbers of the carb and mag would be helpful if anybody knows them. Are there reprints of any manuals for this available? I would also consider buying a complete running BA-23 if anybody has one for sale. It took a long time to find one of these for sale anywhere so I snapped it up Thanks, Brian From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Jun 15 11:17:09 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:17:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes I was so intrigued by the zippers on the future ex wife I ordered ribs instead of Shoarma! Ask Harry how good the ribs were there! By the way I've already forgotten her name! Steve > From: george at irontrader.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:14:07 -0700 > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT > > The waitress that Steve liked wasn't at a shoarma place. She was at the > hotel restaurant in Belgium where we stayed on Friday night. > > Ask Steve about "Zippers" ;-) > > George :-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elden DuRand" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 7:16 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Shoarma meals during EHOWT > > > > Uhhh...... Shoarma is the name of the waitress at the restaurant? > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 15 18:18:24 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Novo BA-23 engine Message-ID: <482943.51067.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does it look like this one? http://www.smokstak.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=4993&c=30 ? I have never seen one of them. Why not find a similar sized Wisconsin engine? Alan --- On Sun, 6/14/09, Brian VanDragt wrote: From: Brian VanDragt Subject: [SEL] Novo BA-23 engine To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 11:02 PM Hello all, I have been a member of the ATIS tractor list for years, but now I need some small engine help.? My grandpa made a homemade tractor in the 40's using a Novo BA-23 single cylinder air cooled engine.? I got the tractor back a few years ago without the engine.? On Saturday I just picked up a Novo BA-23 engine and it needs a carburetor including the intake manifold elbow, and a magneto. The make and model numbers of the carb and mag would be helpful if anybody knows them. Are there reprints of any manuals for this available? I would also consider buying a complete running BA-23 if anybody has one for sale.? It took a long time to find one of these for sale anywhere so I snapped it up Thanks, Brian -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bvandragt at comcast.net Mon Jun 15 19:43:49 2009 From: bvandragt at comcast.net (Brian VanDragt) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:43:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Novo BA-23 engine In-Reply-To: <482943.51067.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes it looks like that one. I want to use it because thats what Grandpa used. Brian -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:18 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Novo BA-23 engine Does it look like this one? http://www.smokstak.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=4993&c=30 ? I have never seen one of them. Why not find a similar sized Wisconsin engine? Alan --- On Sun, 6/14/09, Brian VanDragt wrote: From: Brian VanDragt Subject: [SEL] Novo BA-23 engine To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 11:02 PM Hello all, I have been a member of the ATIS tractor list for years, but now I need some small engine help.? My grandpa made a homemade tractor in the 40's using a Novo BA-23 single cylinder air cooled engine.? I got the tractor back a few years ago without the engine.? On Saturday I just picked up a Novo BA-23 engine and it needs a carburetor including the intake manifold elbow, and a magneto. The make and model numbers of the carb and mag would be helpful if anybody knows them. Are there reprints of any manuals for this available? I would also consider buying a complete running BA-23 if anybody has one for sale.? It took a long time to find one of these for sale anywhere so I snapped it up Thanks, Brian -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jun 17 16:12:10 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:12:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's Message-ID: Check out this link to some large scale Machining in the 1950's. http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/guides/William_Doxford_and_Sons#The_Manufacturing_Process Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Wed Jun 17 18:53:18 2009 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:53:18 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A399E0E.5010605@optusnet.com.au> R & M Ingold wrote: > Check out this link to some large scale Machining in the 1950's. > http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/guides/William_Doxford_and_Sons#The_Manufacturing_Process > > > > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > === Thank you Reg. That was humbling to us who have only experienced "general" machining/engineering. Not much of that stuff done nowdays in UK, eh? Oh Mi Gawd - what were they thinking of - no safety glasses, hard hats, safety signs and all that stuff? Men's world - I spotted only a couple of lassies (or were they?) in the final picture. Ta mate Jack === From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Jun 17 19:11:54 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:11:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's References: <4A399E0E.5010605@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <3E4127D4BDC04FC4927C3088B9B93518@REG> I was totally awed by the crankshaft building, although the whole set of pics made me feel very humble in my small efforts. I cannot imagine me standing on MY lathe cross slides!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's >R & M Ingold wrote: >> Check out this link to some large scale Machining in the 1950's. >> http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/guides/William_Doxford_and_Sons#The_Manufacturing_Process >> >> >> >> >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> > > === > > Thank you Reg. That was humbling to us who have only experienced "general" > machining/engineering. > Not much of that stuff done nowdays in UK, eh? > > > Oh Mi Gawd - what were they thinking of - no safety glasses, hard hats, > safety signs and all that stuff? > > Men's world - I spotted only a couple of lassies (or were they?) in the > final picture. > > Ta mate > Jack > === > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gastzt at aol.com Wed Jun 17 19:13:10 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:13:10 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's Message-ID: In a message dated 6/17/2009 7:34:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes: http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/guides/William_Doxford_and_Sons#The_Manufactur ing_Process WOW---GREAT pics---and thanks! I used to work in a big machine shop many years ago--- this is great! Stan Zettner Pleasanton, Texas, USA old Stovers, etc!!!! **************Dell Days of Deals! June 15-24 - A New Deal Everyday! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222865043x1201494942/aol?redir=http:%2F%2F ad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215692145%3B38015538%3Bh) From lew at lewslittlefarm.com Wed Jun 17 19:23:12 2009 From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:23:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01f001c9efbb$bb6e9880$324bc980$@com> VERY interesting! hard to visualize the massiveness of that stuff. Thanks for the link Lew Best near Waco, TX Please note new email addy lew at lewslittlefarm.com -----Original Message----- Check out this link to some large scale Machining in the 1950's. http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/guides/William_Doxford_and_Sons#The_Manufactur ing_Process Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold _______________________________________________ From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Jun 17 20:09:54 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:09:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's References: Message-ID: <002201c9efc2$40c70b10$83674b47@mikecomp> Extremely enjoyable. ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "SEL List" ; "oldengine list" Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's > Check out this link to some large scale Machining in the 1950's. > http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/guides/William_Doxford_and_Sons#The_Manufacturing_Process > > > > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Jun 17 20:57:51 2009 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:57:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SIAM show (little OT) Message-ID: It was great to see some of our SEL frineds at the SIAM show. I am very glad that you could come. We had a good turn out and pretty good weather for the weekend. We had I nice selection of Hercules products to view as well. Of course we are glad the Glenn Karch coulf come out on Saturday. BTW. did any SEL folks happen to video the spark show on Saturday night? I would very much like to see it. _________________________________________________________________ Bing? brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 23:58:14 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:58:14 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's In-Reply-To: <3E4127D4BDC04FC4927C3088B9B93518@REG> References: <4A399E0E.5010605@optusnet.com.au> <3E4127D4BDC04FC4927C3088B9B93518@REG> Message-ID: <6f6025160906172358y1aebcf28s6c3d08bc8fbba6a0@mail.gmail.com> 2009/6/18 R & M Ingold : > I was totally awed by the crankshaft building, although the whole set of > pics made me feel very humble in my small efforts. > I cannot imagine me standing on MY lathe cross slides!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. The main proposition is that nearly all of the engine was made by the company in-house, with very little bought-in. Flame-cutting the crankshaft webs, marking them all out by hand (no DRO's or CNC in those days!) and doing all of the machining, meant that the value-added content made more sense financially then. The other point is that you can see why the British machine tool industry collapsed, as one Doxfords and their like closed, the huge numbers of machine tools that became available saturated the markets, and of course there were no replacement companies to buy more. Asquith radial drills were in use up until the 1980's or so, they still come up for sale on one of the machine tool flyers we get monthly. Ward capstans were in the pictures, they have gone, and so on. Very nice pictures and a good example of what we used to be very good at in the 1950's. Did you see the Atkinson truck in the first picture? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 00:00:18 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:00:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's In-Reply-To: <6f6025160906172358y1aebcf28s6c3d08bc8fbba6a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A399E0E.5010605@optusnet.com.au> <3E4127D4BDC04FC4927C3088B9B93518@REG> <6f6025160906172358y1aebcf28s6c3d08bc8fbba6a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160906180000h2cf2afeeva09e4b51363bf882@mail.gmail.com> 2009/6/18 Listerdiesel : > industry collapsed, as one Doxfords and their like closed, the huge That should be "once Doxfords..." > Did you see the Atkinson truck in the first picture? I missed the first Black & white picture, the truck is in the first colour picture. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Jun 18 00:18:13 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:18:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's References: <4A399E0E.5010605@optusnet.com.au><3E4127D4BDC04FC4927C3088B9B93518@REG><6f6025160906172358y1aebcf28s6c3d08bc8fbba6a0@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160906180000h2cf2afeeva09e4b51363bf882@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I find it very encouraging that these pics, and the skills depicted in them, are appreciated by our groups. Try showing these to the 'Puter kids' of today and the message will sail right over their heads. Looking at some of those pics, the depth of experience and knowledge that is in the brains of the machinists, is almost beyond comprehension. They are totally aware of every false move that could ruin the whole thing. I only wish we could pass this on to those who would benefit. Sadly, the day of the CAD and Puter, has pushed this need to the background. When it IS needed again, it will be lost. On this, The reliance on puters and the like will be our undoing. Already, banking, retail trade etc.etc, are SO vunerable to the loss of power and other failures. The human brain, that started it all, is no longer 'programmed' to take over in a breakdown. So it goes with design and all that goes with it. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's > 2009/6/18 Listerdiesel : > >> industry collapsed, as one Doxfords and their like closed, the huge > > That should be "once Doxfords..." > >> Did you see the Atkinson truck in the first picture? > > I missed the first Black & white picture, the truck is in the first > colour picture. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 00:55:19 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:55:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's In-Reply-To: References: <4A399E0E.5010605@optusnet.com.au> <3E4127D4BDC04FC4927C3088B9B93518@REG> <6f6025160906172358y1aebcf28s6c3d08bc8fbba6a0@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160906180000h2cf2afeeva09e4b51363bf882@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160906180055r1c127230r6df4f9e9f560cd15@mail.gmail.com> 2009/6/18 R & M Ingold : > I find it very encouraging that these pics, and the skills depicted in them, > are appreciated by our groups. When you think that ALL that stuff was marked out by hand and eye, no computers or digital scales, digital calipers whatever, it is remarkable. The only tools they had were rulers, marking-out tools and vernier calipers etc. The complexity of those cylinder liners is something else, only possibly equalled by GM and their two-stroke diesels today and Nordberg/F-M earlier. (For those who are not aware, the Doxford engine was an opposed-piston two-stroke design, similar to the Fairbanks-Morse but hugely bigger) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Jun 17 19:28:31 2009 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:28:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's References: <4A399E0E.5010605@optusnet.com.au> <3E4127D4BDC04FC4927C3088B9B93518@REG> Message-ID: Thanks Reg, I really enjoyed the info. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's I was totally awed by the crankshaft building, although the whole set of pics made me feel very humble in my small efforts. I cannot imagine me standing on MY lathe cross slides!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. 0 From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com Thu Jun 18 01:23:30 2009 From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (rustyiron1) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:23:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] C.F Ronnie Push Rods and Red Wing Marine engine References: Message-ID: <79CCE2B2381A40C6AA75253D1BB96742@Andy> Hello. I'm in need of some help, I'm trying to locate a pair of Push rods to suit a C.F. R&T. Is there any one out there that can help? Also any information on Red Wing Marine engines. I've been in touch with Bill Schaller in the U.S.A. but no luck so far. It was built before 1939,this is all I've been able to find out so far. Any help would be great. Andy..... Sugar country Aust. 4808. From gastzt at aol.com Thu Jun 18 02:00:27 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 05:00:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's Message-ID: Hey Lew-- Can you imagine something that HUGE up in Waco? LOL (or here in Pleasanton) Stan, Pleasanton, Tx **************Dell Days of Deals! June 15-24 - A New Deal Everyday! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222677718x1201465083/aol?redir=http:%2F%2F ad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215692163%3B38015526%3Be) From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Jun 18 18:38:52 2009 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:38:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's References: <4A399E0E.5010605@optusnet.com.au><3E4127D4BDC04FC4927C3088B9B93518@REG> <6f6025160906172358y1aebcf28s6c3d08bc8fbba6a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004401c9f07e$b44005d0$b7d24c0c@D48VHZ61> We still use an Asquith radial drill--I believe the build date was 1948. Sometimes it sits for a few months untouched, but when you need it its ready to go. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Large scale machining in the 50's. > > Asquith radial drills were in use up until the 1980's or so, they > still come up for sale on one of the machine tool flyers we get > monthly. > > Peter >/listinfo/sel From kosh at ncweb.com Sat Jun 20 01:38:20 2009 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:38:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Small scale machining... Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> http://www.shorpy.com/node/6328?size=_original Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From marinesurveys at msn.com Sat Jun 20 02:03:11 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 05:03:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Small scale machining... In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> Message-ID: Dave; Thanks for the posting, reminds me of some things when i was a kid, that were in "Popular Mechanics" " Build this at home". Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:38:20 -0400 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > From: kosh at ncweb.com > Subject: [SEL] Small scale machining... > > http://www.shorpy.com/node/6328?size=_original > > > > Dave Merchant > kosh at nesys.com > nesys_com at ameritech.net > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > http://www.nesys.com > http://www.nesys.org > YouTube: SteamCrane > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kosh at ncweb.com Sat Jun 20 02:13:29 2009 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 05:13:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Small scale machining... In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620051254.0c85f2c0@ncweb.com> Reminds me of the Little Rascals movies. Dave Merchant At 05:03 AM 6/20/2009, you wrote: >Dave; > >Thanks for the posting, reminds me of some things when i was a kid, > >that were in "Popular Mechanics" " Build this at home". > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant >3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West >PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:38:20 -0400 > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > From: kosh at ncweb.com > > Subject: [SEL] Small scale machining... > > > > http://www.shorpy.com/node/6328?size=_original > > > > > > > > Dave Merchant > > kosh at nesys.com > > nesys_com at ameritech.net > > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > > > http://www.nesys.com > > http://www.nesys.org > > YouTube: SteamCrane > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Jun 20 02:35:18 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:35:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Small scale machining... References: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> Message-ID: Hey Frank, I am 73 and I can remember my Dad having a lot of back issues of Popular Mechanics in a bookcase in my bedroom.( I was about 8 or 9 then) They were from the early 30s ish. I wandered the pages over the years and, to this day, remember vaguely some of the articles. (And the covers). There were a lot of predictions that came into being many years later. In those days, in the backstreets of London, the chances of ever making things shown in them was a far distant dream. But, I did dream! (Grin). Perhaps that is why I enjoy what I do these days so much. That magazine opened the imagination in a way that seems impossible today, with video games, etc. However, your mail opened the doors of memories long thought forgotten. Thanks. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "frank skinner" To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Small scale machining... > > Dave; > > Thanks for the posting, reminds me of some things when i was a kid, > > that were in "Popular Mechanics" " Build this at home". > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > >> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:38:20 -0400 >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> From: kosh at ncweb.com >> Subject: [SEL] Small scale machining... >> >> http://www.shorpy.com/node/6328?size=_original >> >> >> >> Dave Merchant >> kosh at nesys.com >> nesys_com at ameritech.net >> dmerchant at layerzero.com >> >> http://www.nesys.com >> http://www.nesys.org >> YouTube: SteamCrane >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Sat Jun 20 03:20:02 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:20:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Small scale machining... In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> Message-ID: Hi Reg; Same here & I'm just 64, but my grandfarher was my mentor & could do anything & was born in 1881, self tought & had books on everything one could imagine. Thank god there was no TV or computers back then ;-} I remember making a rope making machine, I guess I was around 12 Y/O or so I showed it to my dad, he said it was great, then said, you know, "rope has been made for a couple thousand years " I really thought I was on to something LOL Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:35:18 +1000 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Small scale machining... > > Hey Frank, I am 73 and I can remember my Dad having a lot of back issues of > Popular Mechanics in a bookcase in my bedroom.( I was about 8 or 9 then) > They were from the early 30s ish. I wandered the pages over the years and, > to this day, remember vaguely some of the articles. (And the covers). There > were a lot of predictions that came into being many years later. In those > days, in the backstreets of London, the chances of ever making things shown > in them was a far distant dream. But, I did dream! (Grin). > Perhaps that is why I enjoy what I do these days so much. > That magazine opened the imagination in a way that seems impossible today, > with video games, etc. > However, your mail opened the doors of memories long thought forgotten. > Thanks. > Reg. > > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "frank skinner" > To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" > Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Small scale machining... > > > > > > Dave; > > > > Thanks for the posting, reminds me of some things when i was a kid, > > > > that were in "Popular Mechanics" " Build this at home". > > > > Franklin S. Skinner > > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:38:20 -0400 > >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> From: kosh at ncweb.com > >> Subject: [SEL] Small scale machining... > >> > >> http://www.shorpy.com/node/6328?size=_original > >> > >> > >> > >> Dave Merchant > >> kosh at nesys.com > >> nesys_com at ameritech.net > >> dmerchant at layerzero.com > >> > >> http://www.nesys.com > >> http://www.nesys.org > >> YouTube: SteamCrane > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 20 17:39:53 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (rustaholic777 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] SIAM show (little OT) Message-ID: <304917.13364.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Andy, It won't look as good on a videa. Make a little trip to the Buckley show in August. They do a spark show by shoveling sawdust into a steam traction engine belted up to the prony brake. They do this just after dark on Thursday, Friday and Saturday. ? Alan --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Andy Glines wrote: From: Andy Glines Subject: [SEL] SIAM show (little OT) To: "stationary engine" Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 11:57 PM It was great to see some of our SEL frineds at the SIAM show.? I am very glad that you could come.? We had a good turn out and pretty good weather for the weekend.? We had I nice selection of Hercules products to view as well.? Of course we are glad the Glenn Karch coulf come out on Saturday.? BTW.? did any SEL folks happen to video the spark show on Saturday night?? I would very much like to see it. From andyglines at hotmail.com Sun Jun 21 20:00:20 2009 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:00:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SIAM show (little OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alan, here is where I admit that I was the one doing the spark show with my Huber steam engine. I didn't get a chance to see how the sparks were flying while tending the fire so I was hoping that somebody has video to share. > > Hey Andy, > It won't look as good on a videa. > Make a little trip to the Buckley show in August. > They do a spark show by shoveling sawdust into a steam traction engine belted up to the prony brake. > They do this just after dark on Thursday, Friday and Saturday. > ? > Alan > _________________________________________________________________ Bing? brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Jun 22 01:13:42 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:13:42 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Doxford Engines Message-ID: <7B8F60E061484D3A96F6C33DC5D41208@your9e74d7efa7> Anyone who is interested have a look at this http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=TNXlyE05Eh8&NR=1 From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Jun 22 06:30:30 2009 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 06:30:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] SIAM show (little OT) References: Message-ID: We used to have a spark show at Vista until the Fire Department made them stop. The method was to belt one of the steamers up to a baker fan and then get a pretty good fire going and the engine working pretty hard. Shut down and put in a couple of scoops of sawdust and wait for a while. Start up again with full throttle and watch a big stream of sparks shoot 30 feet up in the sky. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Glines" To: "stationary engine" Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SIAM show (little OT) Alan, here is where I admit that I was the one doing the spark show with my Huber steam engine. I didn't get a chance to see how the sparks were flying while tending the fire so I was hoping that somebody has video to share. > > Hey Andy, > It won't look as good on a videa. > Make a little trip to the Buckley show in August. > They do a spark show by shoveling sawdust into a steam > traction engine belted up to the prony brake. > They do this just after dark on Thursday, Friday and > Saturday. > ? > Alan > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Jun 22 04:57:45 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:57:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Sunshine date Message-ID: Can anyone help with dating a Sundial engine for a fellow collector who contacted me. The details are: Sundial 2HP type B serial number 5831 Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 22 15:47:34 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] SIAM show (little OT) Message-ID: <519846.69430.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cool Andy and I mean it!!! Yes it would be great for you to have a video of your Huber?Steam Traction Engine making sparks. ? Please tell me what it was belted up to. ? With our Prony brake at Buckley we can really put a load on an engine. ? Alan in Michigan ? --- On Sun, 6/21/09, Andy Glines wrote: From: Andy Glines Subject: Re: [SEL] SIAM show (little OT) To: "stationary engine" Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 11:00 PM Alan, here is where I admit that I was the one doing the spark show with my Huber steam engine.? I didn't get a chance to see how the sparks were flying while tending the fire so I was hoping that somebody has video to share. > > Hey Andy, > It won't look as good on a videa. > Make a little trip to the Buckley show in August. > They do a spark show by shoveling sawdust into a steam traction engine belted up to the prony brake. > They do this just after dark on Thursday, Friday and Saturday. > ? > Alan > _________________________________________________________________ Bing?? brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place.???Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon Jun 22 19:50:44 2009 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:50:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Model T Thermoil In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <71EB530C-3B5B-4972-8982-DF29D5EF1094@herculesengines.com> At the Coolspring show last week we got our 5 HP Model T Thermoil running. We had great help from Kirk and Kyle. Here's a video of it running: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIiUWL-N-6M Keith Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon Jun 22 19:58:46 2009 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:58:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rock Crusher at SIAM In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <4B43F3AF-AAE2-4285-B5EC-593BE211ED5B@herculesengines.com> If you remember about 6 or 8 months ago Mike Tucker posted a message saying his Father in Law and neighbor had rescued a New Holland Rock crusher from the scrap yard. Our club purchased it and I retrieved it back in February. Once home one of our SIAM club members adopted it and got it mounted and working, adding a output conveyer. Here are a couple video's of it running at our show last week. Thanks for your help Mike and please thank your Father in Law and his neighbor too. Keith http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMaaHCrXUwY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKo_rshMoVM Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon Jun 22 20:02:05 2009 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:02:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Complete set of Model E Hercules Engines In-Reply-To: <4B43F3AF-AAE2-4285-B5EC-593BE211ED5B@herculesengines.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> <4B43F3AF-AAE2-4285-B5EC-593BE211ED5B@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Here is our set of Model E Hercules engines running at our SIAM Classic Iron show last week. It took a lot of work to get all the bugs out of the engines but we finally got them all running. Keith http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCdZxJ4QzDA > Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Jun 22 20:11:54 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:11:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing Message-ID: <410-22009622331154140@earthlink.net> Took the New Way twin to it's first showing with great sucess. Started right up in the morning and ran until I shut it off that afternoon. Kept chugging away during a rain storm in the afternoon. For the rich oil barren Oyster Boy who keeps asking for pictures, here is one that was posted on Harry's page. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61990 Tim Christoff Basehor KS. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jun 22 20:18:44 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:18:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Model T Thermoil In-Reply-To: <71EB530C-3B5B-4972-8982-DF29D5EF1094@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <3C0AD363F12C4F5F966BC564ABFB6C88@DBTOA000> Keith, Your T Thermoil sure ran nice. I've never had a T and after watching yours run, I think I've got to have one. I really liked that twin as well. I imagine I'll be a long time hunting one of those though! I found a great photo of you and Glenn on the computer last night that I took at Portland about 5 years ago. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Keith Kinney Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 10:51 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Model T Thermoil At the Coolspring show last week we got our 5 HP Model T Thermoil running. We had great help from Kirk and Kyle. Here's a video of it running: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIiUWL-N-6M Keith Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From astfgl at iamnota.org Tue Jun 23 02:44:35 2009 From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:44:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Sunshine date In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A40A403.7000700@iamnota.org> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/EngineDating/Sundial2.htm That page puts it at early 1938, a year older than mine. Cheers, glen. Patrick wrote: > Can anyone help with dating a Sundial engine for a fellow collector who > contacted me. The details are: > Sundial 2HP type B serial number 5831 > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ilifa at internode.on.net Tue Jun 23 03:42:45 2009 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:42:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Sunshine date In-Reply-To: <4A40A403.7000700@iamnota.org> References: <4A40A403.7000700@iamnota.org> Message-ID: <53B6C1B5-DD3A-4BEF-99D8-B429E8365147@internode.on.net> Now, I don't want to be unkind, but the Sundial engine number chart at http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/EngineDating/Sundial2.htm is only a guide and not to be taken too seriously. These are not factory production figures, just someone's estimate. You will notice that there are a lot of years with the same production numbers. This, obviously, would not happen in real life. Even the starting date of 1926 is debatable. It had generally been believed that the Sundial was introduced in 1932. Maybe both dates are wrong. Eric From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Jun 23 03:47:59 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:47:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing References: <410-22009622331154140@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002401c9f3f0$136beaf0$83674b47@mikecomp> Hi Tim: Great picture of my future engine! Love to see a video of it if you have one as well. Can't wait to pick it up at Portland this year! Mike ( the poor,greasy and truly barren) Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "sel" Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 11:11 PM Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing > Took the New Way twin to it's first showing with great sucess. Started > right up in the morning and ran until I shut it off that afternoon. Kept > chugging away during a rain storm in the afternoon. For the rich oil > barren Oyster Boy who keeps asking for pictures, here is one that was > posted on Harry's page. > http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61990 > > > Tim Christoff > Basehor KS. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Jun 23 03:58:29 2009 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:58:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Model T Thermoil In-Reply-To: <71EB530C-3B5B-4972-8982-DF29D5EF1094@herculesengines.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20090620043740.0c85ec10@ncweb.com> <71EB530C-3B5B-4972-8982-DF29D5EF1094@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Sounds great Keith! It's a bit different looking than the other Thermoils I've seen. Yours only has the one push rod off to the side of the engine. The others I've seen have two push rods running underneath the head. Is the intake valve atmospheric on yours? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============================= > From: kkinney at herculesengines.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:50:44 -0500 > CC: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Model T Thermoil > > At the Coolspring show last week we got our 5 HP Model T Thermoil > running. We had great help from Kirk and Kyle. Here's a video of it > running: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIiUWL-N-6M > Keith > > > Keith Kinney > kkinney at herculesengines.com > WWW.HerculesEngines.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Bing? brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jun 23 07:31:14 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:31:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Model T Thermoil In-Reply-To: <71EB530C-3B5B-4972-8982-DF29D5EF1094@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: Keith: Nice running Thermoil! Thanks for the video. I wish I'd been able to get to Coolsprings (prolly never will) and had my Homebrew Hvid ready in time. In case any of you haven't seen it, here's a video of my just completed "poor man's Thermoil": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IvP-KkyIKY It's running on it's own but I need to do some more mods to the combustion chamber and fuel block to get it the way it should be. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Keith > Kinney > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 09:51 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Model T Thermoil > > > At the Coolspring show last week we got our 5 HP > Model T Thermoil > running. We had great help from Kirk and Kyle. > Here's a video of it > running: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIiUWL-N-6M > Keith > > > Keith Kinney > kkinney at herculesengines.com > WWW.HerculesEngines.com From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Jun 23 08:21:14 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:21:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing In-Reply-To: <410-22009622331154140@earthlink.net> References: <410-22009622331154140@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Tim, that's a great looking engine! Unless you want it to spend the rest of it's life under a blue tarp, DONT let that oil barron Royster get near it! Steve, the good Royster > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:11:54 -0500 > Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing > > Took the New Way twin to it's first showing with great sucess. Started right up in the morning and ran until I shut it off that afternoon. Kept chugging away during a rain storm in the afternoon. For the rich oil barren Oyster Boy who keeps asking for pictures, here is one that was posted on Harry's page. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61990 > > > Tim Christoff > Basehor KS. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Jun 23 09:34:05 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:34:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Model T Thermoil References: Message-ID: <004c01c9f420$6cc85950$83674b47@mikecomp> Great job Elden! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 5 HP Model T Thermoil > Keith: > > Nice running Thermoil! Thanks for the video. > > I wish I'd been able to get to Coolsprings (prolly never will) and had my > Homebrew Hvid ready in time. > > In case any of you haven't seen it, here's a video of my just completed > "poor man's Thermoil": > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IvP-KkyIKY > > It's running on it's own but I need to do some more mods to the combustion > chamber and fuel block to get it the way it should be. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Keith >> Kinney >> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 09:51 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org >> Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Model T Thermoil >> >> >> At the Coolspring show last week we got our 5 HP >> Model T Thermoil >> running. We had great help from Kirk and Kyle. >> Here's a video of it >> running: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIiUWL-N-6M >> Keith >> >> >> Keith Kinney >> kkinney at herculesengines.com >> WWW.HerculesEngines.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gastzt at aol.com Tue Jun 23 09:51:07 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:51:07 EDT Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Model T Thermoil Message-ID: YES--that is a great running T ! Great video---and thanks! I can sit here and listen to it all day! ha Stan Zettner (old Stovers) Pleasanton, Texas **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377052x1201454391/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62) From tchristoff at earthlink.net Tue Jun 23 16:00:26 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:00:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing Message-ID: <410-22009622323026922@earthlink.net> Tarp eh??? No engine of mine will ever live under a Tarp! Deals off Mike!!!! Thanks for the tip Steve, you are the good Royster. Tim Christoff Basehor, KS. > [Original Message] > From: Steve Royster > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 6/23/2009 10:27:58 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > > > Tim, that's a great looking engine! Unless you want it to spend the rest of it's life under a blue tarp, DONT let that oil barron Royster get near it! > > Steve, the good Royster > > > > > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:11:54 -0500 > > Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing > > > > Took the New Way twin to it's first showing with great sucess. Started right up in the morning and ran until I shut it off that afternoon. Kept chugging away during a rain storm in the afternoon. For the rich oil barren Oyster Boy who keeps asking for pictures, here is one that was posted on Harry's page. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61990 > > > > > > Tim Christoff > > Basehor KS. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Jun 23 20:31:55 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:31:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing References: <410-22009622323026922@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001801c9f47c$52e018f0$83674b47@mikecomp> Actually, he is the evil one. He has an International, Foos, and Olds under tarps in the yard. Allmine are in the shed where they belong. Mike, the good dry engine brother ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > Tarp eh??? No engine of mine will ever live under a Tarp! > > Deals off Mike!!!! > > Thanks for the tip Steve, you are the good Royster. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor, KS. > >> [Original Message] >> From: Steve Royster >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 6/23/2009 10:27:58 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing >> >> >> Tim, that's a great looking engine! Unless you want it to spend the rest > of it's life under a blue tarp, DONT let that oil barron Royster get near > it! >> >> Steve, the good Royster >> >> >> >> > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net >> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:11:54 -0500 >> > Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing >> > >> > Took the New Way twin to it's first showing with great sucess. Started > right up in the morning and ran until I shut it off that afternoon. Kept > chugging away during a rain storm in the afternoon. For the rich oil > barren > Oyster Boy who keeps asking for pictures, here is one that was posted on > Harry's page. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61990 >> > >> > >> > Tim Christoff >> > Basehor KS. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that's right for you. >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Wed Jun 24 04:11:22 2009 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:11:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Attention Tod Engine Volunteers Message-ID: <004001c9f4bc$81fc3bb0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Finally the last two pieces of the puzzle have fallen into place. 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Houston, TX 77224 Fax (713) 672-7905 . E-mail: pmi at pmi-auction.com Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From tchristoff at earthlink.net Wed Jun 24 19:37:54 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:37:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing Message-ID: <410-22009642523754265@earthlink.net> Well hell Mike, sneak over to your brothers and pick up those 3 deprived engines and maybe we can work out another deal! Tim > [Original Message] > From: Mike Royster > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 6/23/2009 10:31:51 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > > Actually, he is the evil one. He has an International, Foos, and Olds under > tarps in the yard. Allmine are in the shed where they belong. > > Mike, the good dry engine brother > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:00 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > > > > Tarp eh??? No engine of mine will ever live under a Tarp! > > > > Deals off Mike!!!! > > > > Thanks for the tip Steve, you are the good Royster. > > > > Tim Christoff > > Basehor, KS. > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Steve Royster > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Date: 6/23/2009 10:27:58 AM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > >> > >> > >> Tim, that's a great looking engine! Unless you want it to spend the rest > > of it's life under a blue tarp, DONT let that oil barron Royster get near > > it! > >> > >> Steve, the good Royster > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net > >> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:11:54 -0500 > >> > Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing > >> > > >> > Took the New Way twin to it's first showing with great sucess. Started > > right up in the morning and ran until I shut it off that afternoon. Kept > > chugging away during a rain storm in the afternoon. For the rich oil > > barren > > Oyster Boy who keeps asking for pictures, here is one that was posted on > > Harry's page. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61990 > >> > > >> > > >> > Tim Christoff > >> > Basehor KS. > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that's right for you. > >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Jun 24 19:50:49 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:50:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing References: <410-22009642523754265@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <023001c9f53f$bf04d700$83674b47@mikecomp> Now you are talking, he's selling out and moving to Europe anyway, he won't even miss them. Heck, I may even throw in one of Dave's Maytags. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > Well hell Mike, sneak over to your brothers and pick up those 3 deprived > engines and maybe we can work out another deal! > > Tim > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Mike Royster >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 6/23/2009 10:31:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing >> >> Actually, he is the evil one. He has an International, Foos, and Olds > under >> tarps in the yard. Allmine are in the shed where they belong. >> >> Mike, the good dry engine brother >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Christoff" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing >> >> >> > Tarp eh??? No engine of mine will ever live under a Tarp! >> > >> > Deals off Mike!!!! >> > >> > Thanks for the tip Steve, you are the good Royster. >> > >> > Tim Christoff >> > Basehor, KS. >> > >> >> [Original Message] >> >> From: Steve Royster >> >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> Date: 6/23/2009 10:27:58 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing >> >> >> >> >> >> Tim, that's a great looking engine! Unless you want it to spend the > rest >> > of it's life under a blue tarp, DONT let that oil barron Royster get > near >> > it! >> >> >> >> Steve, the good > Royster >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net >> >> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:11:54 -0500 >> >> > Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing >> >> > >> >> > Took the New Way twin to it's first showing with great sucess. > Started >> > right up in the morning and ran until I shut it off that afternoon. >> > Kept >> > chugging away during a rain storm in the afternoon. For the rich oil >> > barren >> > Oyster Boy who keeps asking for pictures, here is one that was posted >> > on >> > Harry's page. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61990 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Tim Christoff >> >> > Basehor KS. >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > SEL mailing list >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> >> Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that's right for you. >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Wed Jun 24 20:13:13 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:13:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing Message-ID: <410-22009642531313656@earthlink.net> Europe eh? Found something (or caught/left something) over there earlier this month? Tim > [Original Message] > From: Mike Royster > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 6/24/2009 9:50:42 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > > Now you are talking, he's selling out and moving to Europe anyway, he won't > even miss them. Heck, I may even throw in one of Dave's Maytags. > > MR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:37 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > > > > Well hell Mike, sneak over to your brothers and pick up those 3 deprived > > engines and maybe we can work out another deal! > > > > Tim > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Mike Royster > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Date: 6/23/2009 10:31:51 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > >> > >> Actually, he is the evil one. He has an International, Foos, and Olds > > under > >> tarps in the yard. Allmine are in the shed where they belong. > >> > >> Mike, the good dry engine brother > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Tim Christoff" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:00 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > >> > >> > >> > Tarp eh??? No engine of mine will ever live under a Tarp! > >> > > >> > Deals off Mike!!!! > >> > > >> > Thanks for the tip Steve, you are the good Royster. > >> > > >> > Tim Christoff > >> > Basehor, KS. > >> > > >> >> [Original Message] > >> >> From: Steve Royster > >> >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> >> Date: 6/23/2009 10:27:58 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Tim, that's a great looking engine! Unless you want it to spend the > > rest > >> > of it's life under a blue tarp, DONT let that oil barron Royster get > > near > >> > it! > >> >> > >> >> Steve, the good > > Royster > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net > >> >> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:11:54 -0500 > >> >> > Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing > >> >> > > >> >> > Took the New Way twin to it's first showing with great sucess. > > Started > >> > right up in the morning and ran until I shut it off that afternoon. > >> > Kept > >> > chugging away during a rain storm in the afternoon. For the rich oil > >> > barren > >> > Oyster Boy who keeps asking for pictures, here is one that was posted > >> > on > >> > Harry's page. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61990 > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Tim Christoff > >> >> > Basehor KS. > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > SEL mailing list > >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> >> Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that's right for you. > >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Jun 24 20:30:34 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:30:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing References: <410-22009642531313656@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <024201c9f545$4d1eea30$83674b47@mikecomp> He has a Hungarian craving so to speak.......... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > Europe eh? Found something (or caught/left something) over there earlier > this month? > > Tim > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Mike Royster >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 6/24/2009 9:50:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing >> >> Now you are talking, he's selling out and moving to Europe anyway, he > won't >> even miss them. Heck, I may even throw in one of Dave's Maytags. >> >> MR >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Christoff" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:37 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing >> >> >> > Well hell Mike, sneak over to your brothers and pick up those 3 >> > deprived >> > engines and maybe we can work out another deal! >> > >> > Tim >> > >> > >> >> [Original Message] >> >> From: Mike Royster >> >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> Date: 6/23/2009 10:31:51 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing >> >> >> >> Actually, he is the evil one. He has an International, Foos, and Olds >> > under >> >> tarps in the yard. Allmine are in the shed where they belong. >> >> >> >> Mike, the good dry engine brother >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Tim Christoff" >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:00 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing >> >> >> >> >> >> > Tarp eh??? No engine of mine will ever live under a Tarp! >> >> > >> >> > Deals off Mike!!!! >> >> > >> >> > Thanks for the tip Steve, you are the good Royster. >> >> > >> >> > Tim Christoff >> >> > Basehor, KS. >> >> > >> >> >> [Original Message] >> >> >> From: Steve Royster >> >> >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> >> Date: 6/23/2009 10:27:58 AM >> >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Tim, that's a great looking engine! Unless you want it to spend the >> > rest >> >> > of it's life under a blue tarp, DONT let that oil barron Royster get >> > near >> >> > it! >> >> >> >> >> >> Steve, the good >> > Royster >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net >> >> >> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> >> > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:11:54 -0500 >> >> >> > Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Took the New Way twin to it's first showing with great sucess. >> > Started >> >> > right up in the morning and ran until I shut it off that afternoon. >> >> > Kept >> >> > chugging away during a rain storm in the afternoon. For the rich oil >> >> > barren >> >> > Oyster Boy who keeps asking for pictures, here is one that was > posted >> >> > on >> >> > Harry's page. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61990 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Tim Christoff >> >> >> > Basehor KS. >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > SEL mailing list >> >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that's right for you. >> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > ---- >> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > SEL mailing list >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Jun 25 04:19:36 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:19:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engine parts wanted Message-ID: <670E5555FDE44F37B1FEA6175161ABA9@peterlowe> I have a guy that is after the following if anyone can help. 1. 1" Lunkenheimer carby 2. Hopper for 2 3/4 HP Big Chief 3. Carby for the Barlow D engine. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jun 25 05:59:41 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing In-Reply-To: <410-22009642531313656@earthlink.net> References: <410-22009642531313656@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <278686a9a588ff5bc8cbff5931c731bc.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Tim, Her nickname is "Zippers". But you didn't hear that from me. 8-)) See ya, Anrie On Wed, June 24, 2009 11:13 pm, Tim Christoff wrote: > Europe eh? Found something (or caught/left something) over there earlier > this month? > > Tim > >> [Original Message] >> From: Mike Royster >> >> Now you are talking, he's selling out and moving to Europe anyway, he >> won't even miss them. Heck, I may even throw in one of Dave's Maytags. From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Jun 25 06:51:50 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:51:50 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. Message-ID: <59435.168.215.206.73.1245937910.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> As slow and as lightly loaded as we run most of our engines, many of them, especially externally cooled engines, never get up to proper operating temperatures. This results in inside cylinder condensation and problems with ignitors and spark plugs. Several years ago when restoring the early Alamo I experimented by installing a cooling system bypass loop. Given that the engine has a fixed volume water pump, restricting the water flow is not an option, so the bypass loop allows water to flow thru the system freely, but little water flows thru the water jacket. This proved to work very well on the Alamo, allowing good running temperatures, so I decided to give this a try on the 8HP Famous saw rig. Here are a few photos of the plumbing work I did on Tuesday night. Maybe someone will find this useful. Enjoy, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC USA From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jun 25 07:03:52 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer In-Reply-To: <670E5555FDE44F37B1FEA6175161ABA9@peterlowe> References: <670E5555FDE44F37B1FEA6175161ABA9@peterlowe> Message-ID: <3935.165.206.180.130.1245938632.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Wanting some thoughts and opinions on my trailer situation......... I've got a very heavy-duty flatbed trailer. It's a total of 16', 12' flat with a 4' drop. There's a 5 ton winch on the front, the winch is so heavy we set it in place with a loader. It has long ramps strong enough to handle a tractor. Plain and simple, it's overkill for me. Heavy, high, and even when I haul my F20 or a load of engines, the trailer isn't even thinking about it. It's getting to be too much for me to load my stuff onto a high trailer, and I haul my car more than anything, tractor only on occasion, and when I haul engines, it's only a half-dozen, and even at 500 pounds each, that's no more than my car weighs, so a lower car trailer would do me. I've been thinking about tossing this out on craigslist as a "trade", like trade for a car trailer. something lower and lighter, but with a wood deck so I can haul my engines. Thoughts? doable? I'm thinking someone wants to haul a heavier tractor than I'll ever own, or some real iron and needs a better trailer as far as weight capacity goes. I need to haul my cars, my F20 and a few engines, that's it. This baby EMPTY is too heavy to lift the tongue. It'll handle some real weight. No brakes, however - but am sure they can be added easily... http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-parked-by-garage28.jpg http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrked-by-garage30.jpg http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrip27.jpg From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Jun 25 08:18:28 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:18:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. In-Reply-To: <59435.168.215.206.73.1245937910.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Curt: Good idea! I find that my Jack of All Trades will run for a long time with temperature not exceeding 180 degrees F with only the "Three Stooges" cooling system on it. I don't think that the engine would get more than warm with the original cooling tank, even when working hard. I suppose that when these engines were being used, the common thought was to keep 'em as cool as you could. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > curt at rustyiron.com > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 08:52 AM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. > > > As slow and as lightly loaded as we run most of > our engines, many of them, > especially externally cooled engines, never get > up to proper operating > temperatures. This results in inside cylinder > condensation and problems > with ignitors and spark plugs. Several years ago > when restoring the early > Alamo I experimented by installing a cooling > system bypass loop. Given > that the engine has a fixed volume water pump, > restricting the water flow > is not an option, so the bypass loop allows water > to flow thru the system > freely, but little water flows thru the water > jacket. This proved to work > very well on the Alamo, allowing good running > temperatures, so I decided > to give this a try on the 8HP Famous saw rig. > Here are a few photos of the > plumbing work I did on Tuesday night. Maybe > someone will find this useful. > Enjoy, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC USA From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Jun 25 08:11:10 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:11:10 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer In-Reply-To: <3935.165.206.180.130.1245938632.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> References: <670E5555FDE44F37B1FEA6175161ABA9@peterlowe> <3935.165.206.180.130.1245938632.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <59298.168.215.206.73.1245942670.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Bill, Have you considered replacing the house trailer axles with new torsion axles? This would bring the trailer height down considerably and get you the brakes you need on both axles. Looks like you already have a very reasonable frame and deck on the existing trailer. Curt Holland > Wanting some thoughts and opinions on my trailer situation......... > I've got a very heavy-duty flatbed trailer. It's a total of 16', 12' flat > with a 4' drop. > There's a 5 ton winch on the front, the winch is so heavy we set it in > place with a loader. > It has long ramps strong enough to handle a tractor. > Plain and simple, it's overkill for me. Heavy, high, and even when I haul > my F20 or a load of engines, the trailer isn't even thinking about it. > > It's getting to be too much for me to load my stuff onto a high trailer, > and I haul my car more than anything, tractor only on occasion, and when I > haul engines, it's only a half-dozen, and even at 500 pounds each, that's > no more than my car weighs, so a lower car trailer would do me. > > I've been thinking about tossing this out on craigslist as a "trade", like > trade for a car trailer. something lower and lighter, but with a wood deck > so I can haul my engines. > > Thoughts? doable? > I'm thinking someone wants to haul a heavier tractor than I'll ever own, > or some real iron and needs a better trailer as far as weight capacity > goes. > I need to haul my cars, my F20 and a few engines, that's it. > This baby EMPTY is too heavy to lift the tongue. It'll handle some real > weight. > No brakes, however - but am sure they can be added easily... > > http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-parked-by-garage28.jpg > > http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrked-by-garage30.jpg > > http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrip27.jpg > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From langer5 at sympatico.ca Thu Jun 25 08:23:32 2009 From: langer5 at sympatico.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:23:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer References: <670E5555FDE44F37B1FEA6175161ABA9@peterlowe><3935.165.206.180.130.1245938632.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> <59298.168.215.206.73.1245942670.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Bill - could you tell me the capacity of the house trailer axles? Are they 6000# each. Too bad you didn't live closer I'd buy those axles from you. My son wants to build a boat trailer capable of carrying a 9,000 # boat. Larry Anger 163926 Brownsville Rd. R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario Canada N4G 4G8 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer > Bill, > Have you considered replacing the house trailer axles with new torsion > axles? This would bring the trailer height down considerably and get you > the brakes you need on both axles. Looks like you already have a very > reasonable frame and deck on the existing trailer. > Curt Holland > > >> Wanting some thoughts and opinions on my trailer situation......... >> I've got a very heavy-duty flatbed trailer. It's a total of 16', 12' flat >> with a 4' drop. >> There's a 5 ton winch on the front, the winch is so heavy we set it in >> place with a loader. >> It has long ramps strong enough to handle a tractor. >> Plain and simple, it's overkill for me. Heavy, high, and even when I haul >> my F20 or a load of engines, the trailer isn't even thinking about it. >> >> It's getting to be too much for me to load my stuff onto a high trailer, >> and I haul my car more than anything, tractor only on occasion, and when >> I >> haul engines, it's only a half-dozen, and even at 500 pounds each, that's >> no more than my car weighs, so a lower car trailer would do me. >> >> I've been thinking about tossing this out on craigslist as a "trade", >> like >> trade for a car trailer. something lower and lighter, but with a wood >> deck >> so I can haul my engines. >> >> Thoughts? doable? >> I'm thinking someone wants to haul a heavier tractor than I'll ever own, >> or some real iron and needs a better trailer as far as weight capacity >> goes. >> I need to haul my cars, my F20 and a few engines, that's it. >> This baby EMPTY is too heavy to lift the tongue. It'll handle some real >> weight. >> No brakes, however - but am sure they can be added easily... >> >> http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-parked-by-garage28.jpg >> >> http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrked-by-garage30.jpg >> >> http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrip27.jpg >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jun 25 09:37:32 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:37:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer In-Reply-To: <59298.168.215.206.73.1245942670.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: I'd rather not get into a rebuild project.... there's more money involved buying brand new parts and I'm not really setup to handle the HEAVY frame. I'm afraid I'd spend the same amount or more "retrofitting" it with what I need as opposed to some sort of trade. Sort of like - is it cheaper to build a house yourself, or buy a 5 month old house? I'd rather make the whole deal much lighter. Yeah, different axles would lower it some.... but not a whole lot. Those are pretty stout I-beams it's made out of - pretty tall. I plan on better photos this afternoon showing the whole under-side. She's stout and heavy. I hauled an Eagle station wagon from the east part of PA to Iowa a couple years back and I don't think that 4x4 car even lowered the bed on the springs. And when you tighten chains or straps, there's no flexing of the trailer - they are tight and stay that way forever. Even over bumps. The problem was - going out there with the trailer empty - it was so heavy I had trouble getting there empty. I don't know the axle ratings, not sure how to find out. I got it from an equipment "scalper". He hauled farm equipment on it and said at one time, he stacked plows on it to the legal height limit. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:11 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer Bill, Have you considered replacing the house trailer axles with new torsion axles? This would bring the trailer height down considerably and get you the brakes you need on both axles. Looks like you already have a very reasonable frame and deck on the existing trailer. Curt Holland > Wanting some thoughts and opinions on my trailer situation......... > I've got a very heavy-duty flatbed trailer. It's a total of 16', 12' flat > with a 4' drop. > There's a 5 ton winch on the front, the winch is so heavy we set it in > place with a loader. > It has long ramps strong enough to handle a tractor. > Plain and simple, it's overkill for me. Heavy, high, and even when I haul > my F20 or a load of engines, the trailer isn't even thinking about it. > > It's getting to be too much for me to load my stuff onto a high trailer, > and I haul my car more than anything, tractor only on occasion, and when I > haul engines, it's only a half-dozen, and even at 500 pounds each, that's > no more than my car weighs, so a lower car trailer would do me. > > I've been thinking about tossing this out on craigslist as a "trade", like > trade for a car trailer. something lower and lighter, but with a wood deck > so I can haul my engines. > > Thoughts? doable? > I'm thinking someone wants to haul a heavier tractor than I'll ever own, > or some real iron and needs a better trailer as far as weight capacity > goes. > I need to haul my cars, my F20 and a few engines, that's it. > This baby EMPTY is too heavy to lift the tongue. It'll handle some real > weight. > No brakes, however - but am sure they can be added easily... > > http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-parked-by-garage28.jpg > > http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrked-by-garage30.jp g > > http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrip27.jpg > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Jun 25 12:25:20 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill, I had looked into refurbishing my utility trailer engine hauler by removing the mobile home axle and replacing it with one or two modern torsion axles. I concluded it wasn't worth the effort and bought a Big Tex 7000 lb 18-foot car hauler trailer. http://www.bigtextrailers.com/ http://www.bigtextrailers.com/trailers/70ch.html I'm delighted with it. You should look into one; they're really well built. See ya, Arnie On Thu, June 25, 2009 12:37 pm, Bill Dickerson wrote: > I'd rather not get into a rebuild project.... there's more money involved > buying brand new parts and I'm not really setup to handle the HEAVY frame. > I'm afraid I'd spend the same amount or more "retrofitting" it with what I > need as opposed to some sort of trade. From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Jun 25 12:24:46 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:24:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Fairbanks Morse spec plates Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090625202140.01e171f0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys 'n Gals, "Stuff" eventually happens if you wait long enough. I've just had my first "Etched Brass Spec. Plate" order go sour on me. I made a batch of 10 plates for "Fairbanks Morse Type N" engines but somewhere along the line (no names-no pack drill-no blame to anyone) the sizes given to me got screwed up. (These plates may also be applicable for other Fairbanks M engines manufactured between 1895 and 1909 - see the picture). Now, I'm not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes - they are slightly undersize (as I've since discovered) and, as the original plates had the holes drilled very close to the edge of the plate this will cause problem with "hole centres" . If you have a restored engine (with these holes left open) then these plates are not for you. If you, on the other hand, are restoring an engine, and are prepared to fill the existing holes and drill new holes then these plates will work for you. The "undersize" is small enough to not be "visually" noticeable on an engine. NOTE. On my "plates" webpage, I specifically mention that these brass plates were probably fixed in place by hand and variances could occur and that is the reason that I do NOT drill the holes in plates. Anyway, "long story short". There are 10 of these plates in the USA at the moment and a mutual (list) friend has agreed to place them on eBay for me with a "Buy it now" price. I just thought that I should first offer them to the members of our lists - if you feel that you could use them then make an offer - The original price of these plates (as listed on my webpage) was US$ 35.00 each but I will consider any offers before they go on eBay. Have look and write to me if you want to make an offer. You can see a picture (with sizes) here: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jun 25 14:20:26 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:20:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer In-Reply-To: <59298.168.215.206.73.1245942670.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <110CFB0D0B24487ABB88DAF14EAE8ED6@l2800> I just realized - I can't lower the trailer, the bed and frame are barely above the tires anyway. There's only a few inches clearance. This is a bed over wheel design. Example - raising the axles 3" in comparison to the frame would mean the trailer drops onto the tires.... Smaller wheels/tires would help too, but it's still bed over wheels, so will never be as low as I want. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:11 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer Bill, Have you considered replacing the house trailer axles with new torsion axles? This would bring the trailer height down considerably and get you the brakes you need on both axles. Looks like you already have a very reasonable frame and deck on the existing trailer. Curt Holland > Wanting some thoughts and opinions on my trailer situation......... > I've got a very heavy-duty flatbed trailer. It's a total of 16', 12' flat > with a 4' drop. > There's a 5 ton winch on the front, the winch is so heavy we set it in > place with a loader. > It has long ramps strong enough to handle a tractor. > Plain and simple, it's overkill for me. Heavy, high, and even when I haul > my F20 or a load of engines, the trailer isn't even thinking about it. > > It's getting to be too much for me to load my stuff onto a high trailer, > and I haul my car more than anything, tractor only on occasion, and when I > haul engines, it's only a half-dozen, and even at 500 pounds each, that's > no more than my car weighs, so a lower car trailer would do me. > > I've been thinking about tossing this out on craigslist as a "trade", like > trade for a car trailer. something lower and lighter, but with a wood deck > so I can haul my engines. > > Thoughts? doable? > I'm thinking someone wants to haul a heavier tractor than I'll ever own, > or some real iron and needs a better trailer as far as weight capacity > goes. > I need to haul my cars, my F20 and a few engines, that's it. > This baby EMPTY is too heavy to lift the tongue. It'll handle some real > weight. > No brakes, however - but am sure they can be added easily... > > http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-parked-by-garage28.jpg > > http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrked-by-garage30.jp g > > http://theamcpages.com/images/eagle-wagon/eagle-wagon-patrip27.jpg > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Jun 25 14:21:12 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:21:12 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. Message-ID: In a message dated 6/25/2009 9:58:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, curt at rustyiron.com writes: so I decided to give this a try on the 8HP Famous saw rig. Curt, My 1914 Famous, 6hp, screen cooled, gear water pump engine has a factory restrictor water flow system on it. It comes after the water pump, restricts the amount of water going to the jacket and the excess goes directly back into the water tank via a pipe going into the large hole in the tank sheet metal about half way up. You control the flow by a valve. All of this is at the back of the engine near the pump and tank. Restricting the water to the jacket makes it heat up good, comes down the screen hot and heats up the rest of the water in the tank. On cold days, there is a sheet metal cover over one side of the screen restricting the air flow thru it. I think on real cold days, two covers were used, one on either side. I have my engine apart right now, but hope to have it together in a few weeks and will send you some photos. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Shop Popular Dell Laptops now starting at $349! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222031056x1201446063/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.dou bleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215910283%3B38350812%3Ba) From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jun 25 14:22:51 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:22:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arnie - see my latest - I realized that I can't really drop it since the bed and frame sit over the wheels/tires! Making the axle closer to the frame means the bed hits the tires....... I suspect that since this thing is built so heave and has such capacity, I could probably get enough out of it to come really close to a very nice smaller/lighter trailer. I agree, it would take too much effort and engineering. Thanks for the link! Good idea to see what's out there. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:25 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer Bill, I had looked into refurbishing my utility trailer engine hauler by removing the mobile home axle and replacing it with one or two modern torsion axles. I concluded it wasn't worth the effort and bought a Big Tex 7000 lb 18-foot car hauler trailer. http://www.bigtextrailers.com/ http://www.bigtextrailers.com/trailers/70ch.html I'm delighted with it. You should look into one; they're really well built. See ya, Arnie On Thu, June 25, 2009 12:37 pm, Bill Dickerson wrote: > I'd rather not get into a rebuild project.... there's more money involved > buying brand new parts and I'm not really setup to handle the HEAVY frame. > I'm afraid I'd spend the same amount or more "retrofitting" it with what I > need as opposed to some sort of trade. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Jun 25 14:55:05 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:55:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. References: <59435.168.215.206.73.1245937910.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <003601c9f5df$9946dcc0$83674b47@mikecomp> looks like a good idea curtis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:51 AM Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. > As slow and as lightly loaded as we run most of our engines, many of them, > especially externally cooled engines, never get up to proper operating > temperatures. This results in inside cylinder condensation and problems > with ignitors and spark plugs. Several years ago when restoring the early > Alamo I experimented by installing a cooling system bypass loop. Given > that the engine has a fixed volume water pump, restricting the water flow > is not an option, so the bypass loop allows water to flow thru the system > freely, but little water flows thru the water jacket. This proved to work > very well on the Alamo, allowing good running temperatures, so I decided > to give this a try on the 8HP Famous saw rig. Here are a few photos of the > plumbing work I did on Tuesday night. Maybe someone will find this useful. > Enjoy, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC USA > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Thu Jun 25 16:06:35 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:06:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. In-Reply-To: <59435.168.215.206.73.1245937910.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <59435.168.215.206.73.1245937910.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, I just sent you a picture (off list) of the valve (I believe factory) on the 15 HP T/G IHC I used to own. It worked well to control the water flow and thus the engine temperature. A similar set up is on my 11 HP Austral. What am I missing in my understanding as to why a simple valve anywhere in the system would not control the water flow and thus the cooling of your 8 HP? Dave PS, Will try to send the picture of the 15 HP to slick so that others can see it. PPS, Those not on both lists will wonder why in the hell it shows up on SLICK! On Jun 25, 2009, at 9:51 AM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote: > As slow and as lightly loaded as we run most of our engines, many of > them, > especially externally cooled engines, never get up to proper operating > temperatures. This results in inside cylinder condensation and > problems > with ignitors and spark plugs. Several years ago when restoring the > early > Alamo I experimented by installing a cooling system bypass loop. Given > that the engine has a fixed volume water pump, restricting the water > flow > is not an option, so the bypass loop allows water to flow thru the > system > freely, but little water flows thru the water jacket. This proved to > work > very well on the Alamo, allowing good running temperatures, so I > decided > to give this a try on the 8HP Famous saw rig. Here are a few photos > of the > plumbing work I did on Tuesday night. Maybe someone will find this > useful. > Enjoy, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC USA > > > From james.kangas at timken.com Thu Jun 25 16:36:35 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:36:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. References: Message-ID: I'll bite,what's a "Three Stooges" cooling system? Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Thu 6/25/2009 11:18 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. Curt: Good idea! I find that my Jack of All Trades will run for a long time with temperature not exceeding 180 degrees F with only the "Three Stooges" cooling system on it. I don't think that the engine would get more than warm with the original cooling tank, even when working hard. I suppose that when these engines were being used, the common thought was to keep 'em as cool as you could. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > curt at rustyiron.com > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 08:52 AM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. > > > As slow and as lightly loaded as we run most of > our engines, many of them, > especially externally cooled engines, never get > up to proper operating > temperatures. This results in inside cylinder > condensation and problems > with ignitors and spark plugs. Several years ago > when restoring the early > Alamo I experimented by installing a cooling > system bypass loop. Given > that the engine has a fixed volume water pump, > restricting the water flow > is not an option, so the bypass loop allows water > to flow thru the system > freely, but little water flows thru the water > jacket. This proved to work > very well on the Alamo, allowing good running > temperatures, so I decided > to give this a try on the 8HP Famous saw rig. > Here are a few photos of the > plumbing work I did on Tuesday night. Maybe > someone will find this useful. > Enjoy, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From riga_fire at yahoo.com Thu Jun 25 17:22:19 2009 From: riga_fire at yahoo.com (Paul Russell) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <411488.34824.qm@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is a guy that lives not too far from me that has a tandem axel flat bed with the short railing around it that is all made out of aluminum. Aluminum ramp on the back that folds up.?Very nice and good looking trailer. If interested I can get the manufacturs name to you. ________________________________ From: Bill Dickerson To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:22:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer Arnie - see my latest - I realized that I can't really drop it since the bed and frame sit over the wheels/tires! Making the axle closer to the frame means the bed hits the tires....... I suspect that since this thing is built so heave and has such capacity, I could probably get enough out of it to come really close to a very nice smaller/lighter trailer. I agree, it would take too much effort and engineering. Thanks for the link! Good idea to see what's out there. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:25 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer Bill, I had looked into refurbishing my utility trailer engine hauler by removing the mobile home axle and replacing it with one or two modern torsion axles. I concluded it wasn't worth the effort and bought a Big Tex 7000 lb 18-foot car hauler trailer.? http://www.bigtextrailers.com/ http://www.bigtextrailers.com/trailers/70ch.html I'm delighted with it.? You should look into one; they're really well built. See ya,? Arnie On Thu, June 25, 2009 12:37 pm, Bill Dickerson wrote: > I'd rather not get into a rebuild project.... there's more money involved > buying brand new parts and I'm not really setup to handle the HEAVY frame. > I'm afraid I'd spend the same amount or more "retrofitting" it with what I > need as opposed to some sort of trade. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Thu Jun 25 18:08:30 2009 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:08:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090625210830.XCRXG.874437.root@mp13> ---- David Rotigel wrote: >. What am I missing in my understanding as to why a > simple valve anywhere in the system would not control the water flow > and thus the cooling of your 8 HP? > Dave Dave, with a centrifugal pump you can restrict it anywhere in the system. With a positive displacement pump, gear or piston, you can't restrict the discharge side without causing serious pressure increase and possibly damage. You can restrict the inlet side without causing harm. J.B. Castagnos From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Jun 25 20:42:17 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:42:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here's some photos of my current trailer. It's a 5 ton winch (as opposed to a wench) http://theamcpages.com/images/flatbed/ I'm hoping to find someone who would trade or something, but may end up going through a dealer, I suppose, or selling then buying. All new wheel bearings and tires in 2005. Took it to Reading PA in 07 to pick up my Eagle. Follows really nicely. Hellish heavy equalizer, too Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:25 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer Bill, I had looked into refurbishing my utility trailer engine hauler by removing the mobile home axle and replacing it with one or two modern torsion axles. I concluded it wasn't worth the effort and bought a Big Tex 7000 lb 18-foot car hauler trailer. http://www.bigtextrailers.com/ http://www.bigtextrailers.com/trailers/70ch.html I'm delighted with it. You should look into one; they're really well built. See ya, Arnie On Thu, June 25, 2009 12:37 pm, Bill Dickerson wrote: > I'd rather not get into a rebuild project.... there's more money involved > buying brand new parts and I'm not really setup to handle the HEAVY frame. > I'm afraid I'd spend the same amount or more "retrofitting" it with what I > need as opposed to some sort of trade. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Fri Jun 26 03:21:04 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:21:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill; Thats a heavy trailer for certain, & a great { Bebe Wench ;-} }} I've actually got a multi-disc clutch for it, could hook a "Hit & Miss" engine to it, save the back ;-} Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: bill at antique-engines.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:42:17 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer > > Here's some photos of my current trailer. It's a 5 ton winch (as opposed to > a wench) > > http://theamcpages.com/images/flatbed/ > > I'm hoping to find someone who would trade or something, but may end up > going through a dealer, I suppose, or selling then buying. > > All new wheel bearings and tires in 2005. > Took it to Reading PA in 07 to pick up my Eagle. Follows really nicely. > Hellish heavy equalizer, too > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:25 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - opinion on trailer > > Bill, > > I had looked into refurbishing my utility trailer engine hauler by removing > the > mobile home axle and replacing it with one or two modern torsion axles. > > I concluded it wasn't worth the effort and bought a Big Tex 7000 lb 18-foot > car > hauler trailer. http://www.bigtextrailers.com/ > http://www.bigtextrailers.com/trailers/70ch.html > > I'm delighted with it. You should look into one; they're really well built. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, June 25, 2009 12:37 pm, Bill Dickerson wrote: > > I'd rather not get into a rebuild project.... there's more money involved > > buying brand new parts and I'm not really setup to handle the HEAVY frame. > > I'm afraid I'd spend the same amount or more "retrofitting" it with what I > > need as opposed to some sort of trade. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at rustyiron.com Fri Jun 26 09:09:30 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:09:30 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59421.168.215.206.73.1246032570.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Tom, This is interesting. As I recall my engine is 1909, so somewhere in the 5 years after the temperature issue was addressed. Dave, what year was your TG engine? Curt > > In a message dated 6/25/2009 9:58:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > curt at rustyiron.com writes: > > so I decided > to give this a try on the 8HP Famous saw rig. > > > Curt, > > My 1914 Famous, 6hp, screen cooled, gear water pump engine has a factory > restrictor water flow system on it. It comes after the water pump, > restricts > the amount of water going to the jacket and the excess goes directly back > into the water tank via a pipe going into the large hole in the tank sheet > metal about half way up. You control the flow by a valve. All of this is > at > the back of the engine near the pump and tank. Restricting the water to > the jacket makes it heat up good, comes down the screen hot and heats up > the > rest of the water in the tank. On cold days, there is a sheet metal > cover > over one side of the screen restricting the air flow thru it. I think on > real cold days, two covers were used, one on either side. I have my > engine > apart right now, but hope to have it together in a few weeks and will > send > you some photos. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > > **************Shop Popular Dell Laptops now starting at $349! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222031056x1201446063/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.dou > bleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215910283%3B38350812%3Ba) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Fri Jun 26 09:37:36 2009 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:37:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Attention Tommy Stojanov References: <004001c9f4bc$81fc3bb0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <004701c9f67c$69ed5970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Tommy, Please contact me offlist. rick at todengine.org Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Foundation "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org From rotigel at me.com Fri Jun 26 12:46:38 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:46:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. In-Reply-To: <59421.168.215.206.73.1246032570.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <59421.168.215.206.73.1246032570.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, It was not an early one. 1916 as I recall. The pump was/is a piston outfit. Dave On Jun 26, 2009, at 12:09 PM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote: > Tom, > This is interesting. As I recall my engine is 1909, so somewhere in > the 5 > years after the temperature issue was addressed. Dave, what year was > your > TG engine? > Curt > >> >> In a message dated 6/25/2009 9:58:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >> curt at rustyiron.com writes: >> >> so I decided >> to give this a try on the 8HP Famous saw rig. >> >> >> Curt, >> >> My 1914 Famous, 6hp, screen cooled, gear water pump engine has a >> factory >> restrictor water flow system on it. It comes after the water pump, >> restricts >> the amount of water going to the jacket and the excess goes >> directly back >> into the water tank via a pipe going into the large hole in the >> tank sheet >> metal about half way up. You control the flow by a valve. All of >> this is >> at >> the back of the engine near the pump and tank. Restricting the >> water to >> the jacket makes it heat up good, comes down the screen hot and >> heats up >> the >> rest of the water in the tank. On cold days, there is a sheet metal >> cover >> over one side of the screen restricting the air flow thru it. I >> think on >> real cold days, two covers were used, one on either side. I have my >> engine >> apart right now, but hope to have it together in a few weeks and will >> send >> you some photos. >> >> Tom Schmutz >> Concord, Va. >> germoamer at AOL.com >> >> **************Shop Popular Dell Laptops now starting at $349! >> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222031056x1201446063/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.dou >> bleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215910283%3B38350812%3Ba) >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Jun 26 15:09:47 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:09:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] Attention Tommy Stojanov Message-ID: In a message dated 6/26/2009 1:09:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com writes: Tommy, Please contact me offlist. Rick, Try this to reach Tommy: _dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com_ (mailto:dstojan1 at rochester.rr.com) Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Stay connected and tighten your budget with a great mobile device for under $20. Take a Peek! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100122638x1222405996x1201457362/aol?redir=http://www.getpeek.com/aol) From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Jun 26 16:42:46 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:42:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim: Go to my webpage (below), then go to the Fairbanks-Morse Jack of All Trades page and scroll down to the pics of it running. The "temporary" cooling system that's still on there is what I call the "Three Stooges" cooling system, after one of their movies where they were plumbers and the result of their efforts at the trade was not a pretty thing to see. :-) Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 06:37 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. > > > I'll bite,what's a "Three Stooges" cooling system? > Jim K From james.kangas at timken.com Fri Jun 26 16:34:42 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:34:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. References: Message-ID: Thank you Elden.I'll check it out when I get home from work.I know which episode you are talking about too. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Fri 6/26/2009 7:42 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. Jim: Go to my webpage (below), then go to the Fairbanks-Morse Jack of All Trades page and scroll down to the pics of it running. The "temporary" cooling system that's still on there is what I call the "Three Stooges" cooling system, after one of their movies where they were plumbers and the result of their efforts at the trade was not a pretty thing to see. :-) Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Kangas, > James G. > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 06:37 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. > > > I'll bite,what's a "Three Stooges" cooling system? > Jim K _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From rdi at rochester.rr.com Fri Jun 26 17:32:24 2009 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:32:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. Message-ID: "Kangas, James G." writes: > I'll bite,what's a "Three Stooges" cooling system? > Jim K. See "A Plumbing We Will Go", a short subject film by the Three Stooges. A still photo giving you an idea of what we're talking about is on the web at http://www.dvdinmypants.com/reviews/O-V/images/three_stooges3_2.jpg :-) -Rick I. From james.kangas at timken.com Fri Jun 26 17:43:21 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:43:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. References: Message-ID: Thanks Rick for the link. I saw that episode recently as there's a T.V. channel I get that runs the Three Stooges. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Rick I. Sent: Fri 6/26/2009 8:32 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. "Kangas, James G." writes: > I'll bite,what's a "Three Stooges" cooling system? > Jim K. See "A Plumbing We Will Go", a short subject film by the Three Stooges. A still photo giving you an idea of what we're talking about is on the web at http://www.dvdinmypants.com/reviews/O-V/images/three_stooges3_2.jpg :-) -Rick I. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Jun 26 19:18:59 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:18:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick: By George! I think you've got it! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Rick I. > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 07:32 PM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooling system bypass loops. > > > "Kangas, James G." writes: > > I'll bite,what's a "Three Stooges" cooling system? > > Jim K. > > See "A Plumbing We Will Go", a short subject film > by the Three Stooges. > A still photo giving you an idea of what we're > talking about is on the web > at > http://www.dvdinmypants.com/reviews/O-V/images/three_stooges3_2.jpg :-) From tchristoff at earthlink.net Fri Jun 26 19:09:46 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:09:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing Message-ID: <410-2200966272946593@earthlink.net> And how would one find this Zippers lady Arnie? Perhaps a place that has a reddish colored light bulb in the window? Tim > [Original Message] > From: Arnie Fero > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 6/25/2009 7:44:07 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] The twins first showing > > Hey Tim, > > Her nickname is "Zippers". But you didn't hear that from me. 8-)) > > See ya, Anrie > > On Wed, June 24, 2009 11:13 pm, Tim Christoff wrote: > > Europe eh? Found something (or caught/left something) over there earlier > > this month? > > > > Tim > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Mike Royster > >> > >> Now you are talking, he's selling out and moving to Europe anyway, he > >> won't even miss them. Heck, I may even throw in one of Dave's Maytags. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Sat Jun 27 03:57:44 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:57:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gib Key removal Saga , Petter AV2-M Message-ID: Good news folks; My Stuck Gib Key finally gave up & is out, Flywheel is next, on the attack list. Pix available ;-} Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Jun 27 09:04:41 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] The twins first showing In-Reply-To: <410-2200966272946593@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200966272946593@earthlink.net> Message-ID: What happened in Belgium, stays in Belgium. Now if Steve wants to post pics... On Fri, June 26, 2009 10:09 pm, Tim Christoff wrote: > And how would one find this Zippers lady Arnie? Perhaps a place that has a > reddish colored light bulb in the window? From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sat Jun 27 18:13:15 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:13:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zippers Message-ID: <410-2200960281131531@earthlink.net> What say you Steve? > [Original Message] > From: Arnie Fero > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 6/27/2009 10:48:57 AM > > What happened in Belgium, stays in Belgium. Now if Steve wants to post pics... > > Tim From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Jun 28 04:14:48 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:14:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 125hp Crosley Message-ID: <837F6C660A6B49AC8F6A027D2B212E3E@peterlowe> Does anyone have any clear photos of a 125hp twin cylinder Crosley they can send me, around mid 1920's era please. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From bethell at internode.on.net Sun Jun 28 04:30:28 2009 From: bethell at internode.on.net (Jim&Geraldine Bethell) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:30:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 125hp Crosley In-Reply-To: <837F6C660A6B49AC8F6A027D2B212E3E@peterlowe> References: <837F6C660A6B49AC8F6A027D2B212E3E@peterlowe> Message-ID: <0FD3449153804734A3CA3A2ED55CBD1F@bethelllaptop> Peter, There is one at Bourke in NSW, I have some photos I will send to you. regards Jim Jim & Geraldine Bethell 12 Fush Place Mildura Victoria 3500 03-50213414 0427-213414 http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:14 PM Subject: [SEL] 125hp Crosley > Does anyone have any clear photos of a 125hp twin cylinder Crosley they > can send me, around mid 1920's era please. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > Skype name: ozengines > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Jun 28 04:37:34 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:37:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 125hp Crosley References: <837F6C660A6B49AC8F6A027D2B212E3E@peterlowe> <0FD3449153804734A3CA3A2ED55CBD1F@bethelllaptop> Message-ID: <81BC0F26D2234AFF859AD02490C168EE@peterlowe> Thanks mate Peter > Peter, > There is one at Bourke in NSW, I have some photos I will send to you. > regards > Jim > > Jim & Geraldine Bethell > 12 Fush Place > Mildura Victoria 3500 > 03-50213414 > 0427-213414 > http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" > > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:14 PM > Subject: [SEL] 125hp Crosley > > >> Does anyone have any clear photos of a 125hp twin cylinder Crosley they >> can send me, around mid 1920's era please. >> >> Regards >> Peter Lowe >> R&V Engine Registrar >> Australia >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> Skype name: ozengines >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Jun 28 04:51:38 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:51:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Crossley info Message-ID: <5CC16A52A4694D23BCA039488E49A527@peterlowe> Hi all Can someone please send me a scan of an article in SEM Crossley 125hp Suction Gas Engine Regards Peter Issue: #161 Page: 6-9 From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Jun 28 11:15:58 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:15:58 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Crossley info In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090628201335.01f50bd8@mail.atech.co.za> At 06:00 PM 28/06/2009, you wrote: >Message: 5 >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:51:38 +1000 >From: "Peter Lowe" >Subject: [SEL] Crossley info > >Hi all >Can someone please send me a scan of an article in SEM > Crossley 125hp Suction Gas Engine > > Regards > Peter > Issue: #161 Page: 6-9 Hi Peter, If you do not receive a quicker answer to this request let me know off list. I do not get SEM but a friend does and I could borrow that one from him and scan the article. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Sun Jun 28 17:43:45 2009 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:43:45 +0800 Subject: [SEL] 125hp Crosley In-Reply-To: <0FD3449153804734A3CA3A2ED55CBD1F@bethelllaptop> References: <837F6C660A6B49AC8F6A027D2B212E3E@peterlowe> <0FD3449153804734A3CA3A2ED55CBD1F@bethelllaptop> Message-ID: <4A480E41.1060508@optusnet.com.au> === May I add a "Me too", please? When I was an apprentice in the Roma (Qld) powerhouse in the '50s one of our engines ("The Little-en") was a twin (coupled) horizontal Crossley of about that era and size, running on suction gas. That is the only engine from then of which I do not have a photo or details, and I would dearly love to obtain a copy. A copy of the scan of an article in SEM would also be appreciated Some of you may have read my little articles in TOMM (105-106-107, March - July 2003) in which I mention this engine. For swaps, I can send you my original yarn, (3.3Mb, PDF file) if interested. Jack Watson Perth, Oz === Jim&Geraldine Bethell wrote: > Peter, > There is one at Bourke in NSW, I have some photos I will send to you. > regards > Jim > > Jim & Geraldine Bethell > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> Does anyone have any clear photos of a 125hp twin cylinder Crosley they >> can send me, around mid 1920's era please. >> >> Regards >> Peter Lowe >> > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 28 18:08:01 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:08:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files Message-ID: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> Folks all of a sudden I can no longer open .jpg attachments from my outlook express e-mail messages. I have to save the .jpg file to "My Documents" or another location and then I can open it up. Does this have anything to do with Explorer 8? I have Windows XP Home addition on my computer and it has been working for years and now all of a sudden I cannot open the .jpg files from Outlook Express. The only thing different I have done was to download Internet Explorer 8, could this be causing the problem? Thanks for the help, Paul From swork at endacomm.com Sun Jun 28 18:23:13 2009 From: swork at endacomm.com (S. Work) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:23:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> Message-ID: <9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs> All our computers suffered similar difficulties after (Supposedly) Upgrading ti IE-8 Under Windows XP-Pro I can only assume the problem would be more severe on the Home platform. You can turn OFF IE8 on the windows update site to where it doesn't automatically upgrade/Downgrade you again. Another alternative would be to use Firefox which runs extremely well under all versions of windows I have ! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:08 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > Folks all of a sudden I can no longer open .jpg attachments from my > outlook express e-mail messages. I have to save the .jpg file to "My > Documents" or another location and then I can open it up. Does this have > anything to do with Explorer 8? I have Windows XP Home addition on my > computer and it has been working for years and now all of a sudden I > cannot open the .jpg files from Outlook Express. > > The only thing different I have done was to download Internet Explorer 8, > could this be causing the problem? > > Thanks for the help, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 28 18:31:28 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:31:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> <9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs> Message-ID: Steve would you recommend I uninstall Exp 8 or would just turning it off on the Windows Update site work? I am not use to firefox but may have to become familiar with it if this is the only recourse. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. Work" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > All our computers suffered similar difficulties after (Supposedly) > Upgrading > ti IE-8 Under Windows XP-Pro I can only assume the problem would be more > severe on the Home platform. You can turn OFF IE8 on the windows update > site > to where it doesn't automatically upgrade/Downgrade you again. Another > alternative would be to use Firefox which runs extremely well under all > versions of windows I have ! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:08 PM > Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > > >> Folks all of a sudden I can no longer open .jpg attachments from my >> outlook express e-mail messages. I have to save the .jpg file to "My >> Documents" or another location and then I can open it up. Does this have >> anything to do with Explorer 8? I have Windows XP Home addition on my >> computer and it has been working for years and now all of a sudden I >> cannot open the .jpg files from Outlook Express. >> >> The only thing different I have done was to download Internet Explorer 8, >> could this be causing the problem? >> >> Thanks for the help, >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 > 17:55:00 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rob at rustyiron.com Sun Jun 28 19:05:26 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:05:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> Message-ID: <830BBE72-4F7D-478A-9AA7-51B881D886A5@rustyiron.com> Hi, Paul. You'll probably want to upgrade to Windows 7, which will be released sometime this summer, unless it gets pushed back to this winter or next year. If you order now, you can get the "Home Version Upgrade" for only $49. If you need the more powerful "Professional Version Upgrade" and you order now, the price will be $99. If you wait, the price for the crippled "Home Version Upgrade" will be $119, ten dollars less than the "Vista Home Version Upgrade," which will stay priced at $129 after the release of Windows 7, for those users who don't want to risk another Microsoft upgrade fiasco. However, if you don't have the original discs that came with your computer, the price of Windows 7 will be $199 for the low-end version, or $220 for the fully-enabled version. Or... you can wait for the release of Apple's "Snow Leopard" later this summer, and upgrade to the full-blown version for only $29. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Jun 28, 2009, at 6:08 PM, wrote: > Folks all of a sudden I can no longer open .jpg attachments from my > outlook express e-mail messages. I have to save the .jpg file to "My > Documents" or another location and then I can open it up. Does this > have anything to do with Explorer 8? I have Windows XP Home addition > on my computer and it has been working for years and now all of a > sudden I cannot open the .jpg files from Outlook Express. > > The only thing different I have done was to download Internet > Explorer 8, could this be causing the problem? > > Thanks for the help, > > Paul From swork at endacomm.com Sun Jun 28 19:05:45 2009 From: swork at endacomm.com (S. Work) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:05:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL><9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs> Message-ID: <2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs> Un-Install AND disable from Windows Update (Otherwise it'll sneak it's ugly head back in..) :-( Adding Firefox to your system would also be an alternative. Both can live peacefully on the same computer. And Firefox has a nice Add-On Manager for Plugins etc. IE is a bit more cumbersom to modify. Steve W(ork) Since I Noticed there is another Steve W on here ! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > Steve would you recommend I uninstall Exp 8 or would just turning it off > on > the Windows Update site work? > > I am not use to firefox but may have to become familiar with it if this is > the only recourse. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "S. Work" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 7:23 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > > >> All our computers suffered similar difficulties after (Supposedly) >> Upgrading >> ti IE-8 Under Windows XP-Pro I can only assume the problem would be more >> severe on the Home platform. You can turn OFF IE8 on the windows update >> site >> to where it doesn't automatically upgrade/Downgrade you again. Another >> alternative would be to use Firefox which runs extremely well under all >> versions of windows I have ! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:08 PM >> Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files >> >> >>> Folks all of a sudden I can no longer open .jpg attachments from my >>> outlook express e-mail messages. I have to save the .jpg file to "My >>> Documents" or another location and then I can open it up. Does this have >>> anything to do with Explorer 8? I have Windows XP Home addition on my >>> computer and it has been working for years and now all of a sudden I >>> cannot open the .jpg files from Outlook Express. >>> >>> The only thing different I have done was to download Internet Explorer >>> 8, >>> could this be causing the problem? >>> >>> Thanks for the help, >>> >>> Paul >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: >> 06/27/09 >> 17:55:00 >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 > 17:55:00 > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 28 19:22:12 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:22:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL><9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs> <2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs> Message-ID: Thanks Steve, I will give this a try. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. Work" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > Un-Install AND disable from Windows Update (Otherwise it'll sneak it's > ugly > head back in..) :-( > Adding Firefox to your system would also be an alternative. Both can live > peacefully on the same computer. > > And Firefox has a nice Add-On Manager for Plugins etc. IE is a bit more > cumbersom to modify. > > Steve W(ork) Since I Noticed there is another Steve W on here ! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:31 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > > >> Steve would you recommend I uninstall Exp 8 or would just turning it off >> on >> the Windows Update site work? >> >> I am not use to firefox but may have to become familiar with it if this >> is >> the only recourse. >> >> Paul >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "S. Work" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 7:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files >> >> >>> All our computers suffered similar difficulties after (Supposedly) >>> Upgrading >>> ti IE-8 Under Windows XP-Pro I can only assume the problem would be >>> more >>> severe on the Home platform. You can turn OFF IE8 on the windows update >>> site >>> to where it doesn't automatically upgrade/Downgrade you again. Another >>> alternative would be to use Firefox which runs extremely well under all >>> versions of windows I have ! >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:08 PM >>> Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files >>> >>> >>>> Folks all of a sudden I can no longer open .jpg attachments from my >>>> outlook express e-mail messages. I have to save the .jpg file to "My >>>> Documents" or another location and then I can open it up. Does this >>>> have >>>> anything to do with Explorer 8? I have Windows XP Home addition on my >>>> computer and it has been working for years and now all of a sudden I >>>> cannot open the .jpg files from Outlook Express. >>>> >>>> The only thing different I have done was to download Internet Explorer >>>> 8, >>>> could this be causing the problem? >>>> >>>> Thanks for the help, >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: >>> 06/27/09 >>> 17:55:00 >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: >> 06/27/09 >> 17:55:00 >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 > 17:55:00 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From swork at endacomm.com Sun Jun 28 19:22:28 2009 From: swork at endacomm.com (S. Work) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:22:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> <830BBE72-4F7D-478A-9AA7-51B881D886A5@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <9BCF08D6B7824539958C2BDCD09C0870@ecsserverwebs> Or on a More inteligent note. Change Platform entirely Go to a FREE OF, Like Ubuntu Linux, or CentOS. Both of which have MUCH More support than Microsoft will ever offer on ANYTHING it Offers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > Hi, Paul. > > You'll probably want to upgrade to Windows 7, which will be released > sometime this summer, unless it gets pushed back to this winter or > next year. If you order now, you can get the "Home Version Upgrade" > for only $49. If you need the more powerful "Professional Version > Upgrade" and you order now, the price will be $99. If you wait, the > price for the crippled "Home Version Upgrade" will be $119, ten > dollars less than the "Vista Home Version Upgrade," which will stay > priced at $129 after the release of Windows 7, for those users who > don't want to risk another Microsoft upgrade fiasco. > > However, if you don't have the original discs that came with your > computer, the price of Windows 7 will be $199 for the low-end version, > or $220 for the fully-enabled version. > > Or... you can wait for the release of Apple's "Snow Leopard" later > this summer, and upgrade to the full-blown version for only $29. > > > Rob Skinner > Antique Stationary Engines > La Habra, California > > rob at rustyiron.com > www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > On Jun 28, 2009, at 6:08 PM, > > wrote: > >> Folks all of a sudden I can no longer open .jpg attachments from my >> outlook express e-mail messages. I have to save the .jpg file to "My >> Documents" or another location and then I can open it up. Does this >> have anything to do with Explorer 8? I have Windows XP Home addition >> on my computer and it has been working for years and now all of a >> sudden I cannot open the .jpg files from Outlook Express. >> >> The only thing different I have done was to download Internet >> Explorer 8, could this be causing the problem? >> >> Thanks for the help, >> >> Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 28 19:28:14 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:28:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL><9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs> <2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs> Message-ID: <80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL> Just to clarify things a little Steve, I can open URL addresses from within the text of my -email addresses and the .jpg pictures do show up in the body of the incoming messages but when I click on the attachments to open them up to a full blown view like I normally do they will not open. The little hour glass pops up for a split moment showing something is being processed but nothing happens. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. Work" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > Un-Install AND disable from Windows Update (Otherwise it'll sneak it's > ugly > head back in..) :-( > Adding Firefox to your system would also be an alternative. Both can live > peacefully on the same computer. > > And Firefox has a nice Add-On Manager for Plugins etc. IE is a bit more > cumbersom to modify. > > Steve W(ork) Since I Noticed there is another Steve W on here ! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 28 19:30:08 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:30:08 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL><830BBE72-4F7D-478A-9AA7-51B881D886A5@rustyiron.com> <9BCF08D6B7824539958C2BDCD09C0870@ecsserverwebs> Message-ID: <25F8827D20D940238FEBAADB3278A9F6@PAUL> Yikes Steve, now I am really in over my head. I will have to navigate my way through all of this and may drown in the process. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. Work" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > Or on a More inteligent note. Change Platform entirely Go to a FREE OF, > Like > Ubuntu Linux, or CentOS. Both of which have MUCH More support than > Microsoft > will ever offer on ANYTHING it Offers. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Skinner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 10:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > > >> Hi, Paul. >> >> You'll probably want to upgrade to Windows 7, which will be released >> sometime this summer, unless it gets pushed back to this winter or >> next year. If you order now, you can get the "Home Version Upgrade" >> for only $49. If you need the more powerful "Professional Version >> Upgrade" and you order now, the price will be $99. If you wait, the >> price for the crippled "Home Version Upgrade" will be $119, ten >> dollars less than the "Vista Home Version Upgrade," which will stay >> priced at $129 after the release of Windows 7, for those users who >> don't want to risk another Microsoft upgrade fiasco. >> >> However, if you don't have the original discs that came with your >> computer, the price of Windows 7 will be $199 for the low-end version, >> or $220 for the fully-enabled version. >> >> Or... you can wait for the release of Apple's "Snow Leopard" later >> this summer, and upgrade to the full-blown version for only $29. >> >> >> Rob Skinner >> Antique Stationary Engines >> La Habra, California >> >> rob at rustyiron.com >> www.rustyiron.com >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 28, 2009, at 6:08 PM, >> > > wrote: >> >>> Folks all of a sudden I can no longer open .jpg attachments from my >>> outlook express e-mail messages. I have to save the .jpg file to "My >>> Documents" or another location and then I can open it up. Does this >>> have anything to do with Explorer 8? I have Windows XP Home addition >>> on my computer and it has been working for years and now all of a >>> sudden I cannot open the .jpg files from Outlook Express. >>> >>> The only thing different I have done was to download Internet >>> Explorer 8, could this be causing the problem? >>> >>> Thanks for the help, >>> >>> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 > 17:55:00 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Jun 28 23:22:58 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:22:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: <80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL> References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> <9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs> <2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs> <80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL> Message-ID: <6f6025160906282322m7d04a44bgfdbd51433c1c795b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/6/29 : > Just to clarify things a little Steve, I can open URL addresses from within > the text of my -email addresses and the .jpg pictures do show up in the body > of the incoming messages but when I click on the attachments to open them up > to a full blown view like I normally do they will not open. The little hour > glass pops up for a split moment showing something is being processed but > nothing happens. > > Paul Paul: Have you got a software package installed to edit images in the first place? If you have, then when you click on an image title, it should call the package and run it, so the image can be opened. If you have no software, IE won't do it by itself unless it is part of an HTML page. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sun Jun 28 23:43:23 2009 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:43:23 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: <6f6025160906282322m7d04a44bgfdbd51433c1c795b@mail.gmail.com> References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> <9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs> <2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs> <80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL> <6f6025160906282322m7d04a44bgfdbd51433c1c795b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A48628B.9000205@insulate.co.uk> Hi Peter It's nothing to do with editing images; MS have made an upgrade incompatible with itself, so that a simple image file can no longer be opened within the email program - as Paul said, it has to be saved, THEN opened. Paul, you'll find a cure within the MS forums. They made a program which will delete IE8 and reinstate IE7 - simply using Firefox will NOT cure this. Dolly Listerdiesel wrote: > > Have you got a software package installed to edit images in the first place? > > If you have, then when you click on an image title, it should call the > package and run it, so the image can be opened. > > If you have no software, IE won't do it by itself unless it is part of > an HTML page. > > Peter > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Jun 29 00:08:38 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:08:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 125hp Crosley References: <837F6C660A6B49AC8F6A027D2B212E3E@peterlowe><0FD3449153804734A3CA3A2ED55CBD1F@bethelllaptop> <4A480E41.1060508@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <8D6BBAEF008D4693825BF0E319DDA7B9@peterlowe> My Grandfather owned the first power station in Gloucester, NSW. I am doing a web site of this as only my Dad knows anything about it and I want it preserved. Peter, Oz > === > May I add a "Me too", please? > > When I was an apprentice in the Roma (Qld) powerhouse in the '50s one of > our engines ("The Little-en") was a twin (coupled) horizontal Crossley > of about that era and size, running on suction gas. That is the only > engine from then of which I do not have a photo or details, and I would > dearly love to obtain a copy. > > A copy of the scan of an article in SEM would also be appreciated > > Some of you may have read my little articles in TOMM (105-106-107, March > - July 2003) in which I mention this engine. > For swaps, I can send you my original yarn, (3.3Mb, PDF file) if > interested. > > Jack Watson > Perth, Oz > === > > Jim&Geraldine Bethell wrote: >> Peter, >> There is one at Bourke in NSW, I have some photos I will send to you. >> regards >> Jim >> >> Jim & Geraldine Bethell >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >>> Does anyone have any clear photos of a 125hp twin cylinder Crosley they >>> can send me, around mid 1920's era please. >>> >>> Regards >>> Peter Lowe >>> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From swork at endacomm.com Mon Jun 29 01:02:45 2009 From: swork at endacomm.com (S. Work) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:02:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> <9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs> <2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs> <80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL><6f6025160906282322m7d04a44bgfdbd51433c1c795b@mail.gmail.com> <4A48628B.9000205@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: He's refering to WebMail Attachments, Which Firefox most certainly will rectify ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > Hi Peter > > It's nothing to do with editing images; MS have made an upgrade > incompatible with itself, so that a simple image file can no longer be > opened within the email program - as Paul said, it has to be saved, THEN > opened. > Paul, you'll find a cure within the MS forums. They made a program > which will delete IE8 and reinstate IE7 - simply using Firefox will NOT > cure this. > > Dolly > > Listerdiesel wrote: >> >> Have you got a software package installed to edit images in the first >> place? >> >> If you have, then when you click on an image title, it should call the >> package and run it, so the image can be opened. >> >> If you have no software, IE won't do it by itself unless it is part of >> an HTML page. >> >> Peter >> > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2206 - Release Date: 06/27/09 17:55:00 From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon Jun 29 01:16:31 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:16:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> Message-ID: Paul; Same here , i used to be able to open, then up-graded to "8" now same as you. Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:08:01 -0600 > Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > > Folks all of a sudden I can no longer open .jpg attachments from my outlook express e-mail messages. I have to save the .jpg file to "My Documents" or another location and then I can open it up. Does this have anything to do with Explorer 8? I have Windows XP Home addition on my computer and it has been working for years and now all of a sudden I cannot open the .jpg files from Outlook Express. > > The only thing different I have done was to download Internet Explorer 8, could this be causing the problem? > > Thanks for the help, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon Jun 29 01:27:39 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:27:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: <4A48628B.9000205@insulate.co.uk> References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> <9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs> <2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs> <80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL> <6f6025160906282322m7d04a44bgfdbd51433c1c795b@mail.gmail.com> <4A48628B.9000205@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: I sure would like to know how to re-instate "IE"-7 , I've never liked 8 and I still have issues, I dont want to re-format the PC Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:43:23 +0100 > From: fbi at insulate.co.uk > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > > Hi Peter > > It's nothing to do with editing images; MS have made an upgrade > incompatible with itself, so that a simple image file can no longer be > opened within the email program - as Paul said, it has to be saved, THEN > opened. > Paul, you'll find a cure within the MS forums. They made a program > which will delete IE8 and reinstate IE7 - simply using Firefox will NOT > cure this. > > Dolly > > Listerdiesel wrote: > > > > Have you got a software package installed to edit images in the first place? > > > > If you have, then when you click on an image title, it should call the > > package and run it, so the image can be opened. > > > > If you have no software, IE won't do it by itself unless it is part of > > an HTML page. > > > > Peter > > > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jun 29 01:42:27 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:42:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL><9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs><2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs><80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL><6f6025160906282322m7d04a44bgfdbd51433c1c795b@mail.gmail.com> <4A48628B.9000205@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: This thread answered why I had troubles. I thought it was to do with Office. The 'experts' I asked never told me the reason you have given. How come Microsoft never informed us? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "frank skinner" To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > > I sure would like to know how to re-instate "IE"-7 , I've never liked 8 > > and I still have issues, I dont want to re-format the PC > > Franklin S. Skinner > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > >> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:43:23 +0100 >> From: fbi at insulate.co.uk >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files >> >> Hi Peter >> >> It's nothing to do with editing images; MS have made an upgrade >> incompatible with itself, so that a simple image file can no longer be >> opened within the email program - as Paul said, it has to be saved, THEN >> opened. >> Paul, you'll find a cure within the MS forums. They made a program >> which will delete IE8 and reinstate IE7 - simply using Firefox will NOT >> cure this. >> >> Dolly >> >> Listerdiesel wrote: >> > >> > Have you got a software package installed to edit images in the first >> > place? >> > >> > If you have, then when you click on an image title, it should call the >> > package and run it, so the image can be opened. >> > >> > If you have no software, IE won't do it by itself unless it is part of >> > an HTML page. >> > >> > Peter >> > >> >> -- >> Jim French >> fbi at insulate.co.uk >> http://www.insulate.co.uk >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Jun 29 02:13:44 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:13:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> Message-ID: <66B444A2BEBB49BDAAE70E63CAE94289@KerryPC> G'Day Paul Not sure if it will help your problem but using Irfanview (free) I have it ticked as the default viewer, opening a jpg automatically opens Irfanview, but I am using 7 on Vista, I assume the Iranview\\\\ view override windows Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon Jun 29 02:17:14 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 05:17:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL><9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs><2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs><80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL><6f6025160906282322m7d04a44bgfdbd51433c1c795b@mail.gmail.com> <4A48628B.9000205@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Reg; I want to "up-grade" back to "IE-7" ;-} you didn't know Uncle Bill { Gates } is evil , lol Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:42:27 +1000 > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > > This thread answered why I had troubles. > I thought it was to do with Office. > The 'experts' I asked never told me the reason you have given. > How come Microsoft never informed us? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "frank skinner" > To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > > > > > > I sure would like to know how to re-instate "IE"-7 , I've never liked 8 > > > > and I still have issues, I dont want to re-format the PC > > > > Franklin S. Skinner > > Marine Surveyor & Consultant > > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 > > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West > > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:43:23 +0100 > >> From: fbi at insulate.co.uk > >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > >> > >> Hi Peter > >> > >> It's nothing to do with editing images; MS have made an upgrade > >> incompatible with itself, so that a simple image file can no longer be > >> opened within the email program - as Paul said, it has to be saved, THEN > >> opened. > >> Paul, you'll find a cure within the MS forums. They made a program > >> which will delete IE8 and reinstate IE7 - simply using Firefox will NOT > >> cure this. > >> > >> Dolly > >> > >> Listerdiesel wrote: > >> > > >> > Have you got a software package installed to edit images in the first > >> > place? > >> > > >> > If you have, then when you click on an image title, it should call the > >> > package and run it, so the image can be opened. > >> > > >> > If you have no software, IE won't do it by itself unless it is part of > >> > an HTML page. > >> > > >> > Peter > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Jim French > >> fbi at insulate.co.uk > >> http://www.insulate.co.uk > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Jun 29 02:51:27 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:51:27 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Lanzalldog Message-ID: <3063CE493E8F4BE59B03559530E3F709@your9e74d7efa7> Does anyone in Australia have contact for a bloke that has the avitar of LANZALLDOG? From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Jun 29 04:27:42 2009 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:27:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL><9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs><2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs><80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL><6f6025160906282322m7d04a44bgfdbd51433c1c795b@mail.gmail.com> <4A48628B.9000205@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A48A52E.2020508@insulate.co.uk> Everyone having problems opening attachments within email following an upgrade to IE8: Go to http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700 This problem is with anyone using a Windows Mail program (Outlook Express, Outlook, Mail etc) and occurs when you download IE8 - whether or not you actually USE IE8. Once IE8 is on your system, you can't open email attachments. If anyone has any further problems, contact me off-list to avoid offending anyone with the amount of off-topic emails. Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Jun 29 05:00:24 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:00:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R&V 1hp value please Message-ID: <66D88793802E4266B31DE5CA0DED26E2@peterlowe> Hi all What is the current value of a 1hp L series R&V engine on factory truck in the USA. One coming up at auction and a new register member would like to know. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Jun 29 05:42:58 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:42:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] R&V 1hp value please In-Reply-To: <66D88793802E4266B31DE5CA0DED26E2@peterlowe> Message-ID: <870D1269FF68402CA96101006D1CEC70@tommyd0x52gkco> It should bring a decent sum. I think the one at the Armstrong auction brought over $3,000 (US) and it needed some work. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:00 AM To: ATIS; Oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] R&V 1hp value please Hi all What is the current value of a 1hp L series R&V engine on factory truck in the USA. One coming up at auction and a new register member would like to know. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Jun 29 06:54:45 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:54:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: <9BCF08D6B7824539958C2BDCD09C0870@ecsserverwebs> Message-ID: S. Work: I wish I could get away from Microsoft operating systems but I've tried several alternatives and none have worked out. So far, I really did a push for O.S.2 until IBM dropped it, then tried several versions of Linux including Kubutnu. I haven't been able to get any of the versions of Linux to work right, have some trouble with the file system and can't get used to the "non-talkative" System Prompt. Also, I can't seem to get the Kubutnu graphic mode to work right and then there are the driver issues. If they (Linux) could get to where it is more intuitive, I think I could switch. For now, I'm stuck with Windoze and not liking it. My only alternative may be to go to Apple the next time the smoke leaks out of my system . Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of S. Work > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 09:22 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help > opening .jpg files > > > Or on a More inteligent note. Change Platform > entirely Go to a FREE OF, Like > Ubuntu Linux, or CentOS. Both of which have MUCH > More support than Microsoft > will ever offer on ANYTHING it Offers. From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Jun 29 06:56:58 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:56:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: <80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL> Message-ID: Paul: Could you have accidentally checked the box that says to automatically save the file? If so, I don't know how to uncheck it if you've also told it to not remind you. "Hepfull", ain't I. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 09:28 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help > opening .jpg files > > > Just to clarify things a little Steve, I can open > URL addresses from within > the text of my -email addresses and the .jpg > pictures do show up in the body > of the incoming messages but when I click on the > attachments to open them up > to a full blown view like I normally do they will > not open. The little hour > glass pops up for a split moment showing > something is being processed but > nothing happens. > > Paul From marinesurveys at msn.com Mon Jun 29 06:43:30 2009 From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:43:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: References: <80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL> Message-ID: Elden; That's excellent mystery, isn't it :( I have pondered it. Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 > From: edurand at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:56:58 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > > Paul: > > Could you have accidentally checked the box that says to automatically save the file? If so, I don't know how to uncheck it if you've also told it to not remind you. > > "Hepfull", ain't I. :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of > > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net > > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 09:28 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help > > opening .jpg files > > > > > > Just to clarify things a little Steve, I can open > > URL addresses from within > > the text of my -email addresses and the .jpg > > pictures do show up in the body > > of the incoming messages but when I click on the > > attachments to open them up > > to a full blown view like I normally do they will > > not open. The little hour > > glass pops up for a split moment showing > > something is being processed but > > nothing happens. > > > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Mon Jun 29 07:26:52 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:26:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures Message-ID: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> Hi All, AT LAST the pictures of the SIAM 2009 show are up. You can see them at: http://gallery.me.com/rotigel Dave PS, Keith, can you fine a way to get them to Marian? Thanks! From George_Best at adp.com Mon Jun 29 07:37:05 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:37:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures In-Reply-To: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A470E8DC0@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Nice pictures Dave. Noticed Arnie wearing a couple of his t-shirts from EHOWT09. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 7:27 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures Hi All, AT LAST the pictures of the SIAM 2009 show are up. You can see them at: http://gallery.me.com/rotigel Dave PS, Keith, can you fine a way to get them to Marian? Thanks! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Jun 29 08:14:47 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:14:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Maytag In New Hampshire In-Reply-To: References: <59421.168.215.206.73.1246032570.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <20090629151442.177A91475C2@mail01.wcoil.com> Hi Ya'll. We have a small engine that needs to get from Bethleham NH to one of three places, Portland Indiana, Colchester Connecticut or Trenton New Jersey. Is there is a chance anyone is going to be in New Hampshire near Bethleham in the next few weeks before Portland show? Do you know of someone going from the Bethleham NH to Marks Magnetos in Colchester Connecticut or to Portland show. The owner would rather trust engine people to haul it then UPS. Don't want to terribly inconvenience anyone but was hoping to find a ride for it. Mark From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 09:09:28 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:09:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: <4A48628B.9000205@insulate.co.uk> References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> <9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs> <2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs> <80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL> <6f6025160906282322m7d04a44bgfdbd51433c1c795b@mail.gmail.com> <4A48628B.9000205@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6f6025160906290909u2f6a6ee9x25ffac88fc9e93b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/6/29 Jim French : > Hi Peter > > It's nothing to do with editing images; MS have made an upgrade > incompatible with itself, so that a simple image file can no longer be > opened within the email program - as Paul said, it has to be saved, THEN > opened. > Paul, you'll find a cure within the MS forums. ?They made a program > which will delete IE8 and reinstate IE7 - simply using Firefox will NOT > cure this. > > Dolly > OK, we are trundling along on Win2kPro and IE6 :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Jun 29 09:29:25 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:29:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures In-Reply-To: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the pictures, Dave. It looks like it was a good time. Rob On Jun 29, 2009, at 7:26 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, AT LAST the pictures of the SIAM 2009 show are up. You can see > them at: http://gallery.me.com/rotigel > Dave > PS, Keith, can you fine a way to get them to Marian? Thanks! From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Jun 29 09:50:46 2009 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:50:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures In-Reply-To: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> Message-ID: <4A48F0E6.5060300@insulate.co.uk> Great pictures, Dave - really enjoyed seeing everyone having a good time. I see that Arnie was still catching up from the EHOWT - in every picture he's either sleeping or eating! Dolly David Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, AT LAST the pictures of the SIAM 2009 show are up. You can see > them at: http://gallery.me.com/rotigel > Dave > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From oldironnut at windstream.net Mon Jun 29 12:08:19 2009 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:08:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures In-Reply-To: <4A48F0E6.5060300@insulate.co.uk> References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> <4A48F0E6.5060300@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <73D95482-6F25-4198-979E-E6BFEFC947AE@windstream.net> > Great pictures, Dave - really enjoyed seeing everyone having a good > time. > I see that Arnie was still catching up from the EHOWT - in every > picture > he's either sleeping or eating! Dolly, you're implying that those "action" shots of Arnie are different from ANY pictures that are taken of him at ANY engine show regardless of what he's "catching up" from!!! You silly girl!!! Dave, thanks for the GREAT photos! See ya', Mike From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon Jun 29 13:26:44 2009 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:26:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures In-Reply-To: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> Message-ID: <50942E84-A81C-489C-B078-291C304A0469@herculesengines.com> > Good pictures Dave. Here is a link to the photo's I took at the show: > http://photobucket.com/SIAM-2009 Keith Keith Kinney kkinney at herculesengines.com WWW.HerculesEngines.com From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Mon Jun 29 13:48:28 2009 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Maytag In New Hampshire Message-ID: <92405.42010.qm@web52301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> If you can find someone to bring it?to the Pepperell, MA show in 2wks I can p/u there and give it to Mark at the Colchester show later in July. NICK --- On Mon, 6/29/09, Mark Shulaw wrote: From: Mark Shulaw Subject: [SEL] Maytag In New Hampshire To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 11:14 AM Hi Ya'll.? We have a small engine that needs to get from Bethleham NH to one of three places, Portland Indiana, Colchester Connecticut or Trenton New Jersey.? Is there is a chance anyone is going to be in New Hampshire near Bethleham in the next few weeks before Portland show? Do you know of someone going from the Bethleham NH? to Marks Magnetos in Colchester Connecticut or to Portland show. The owner would rather trust engine people to haul it then UPS.? Don't want to terribly inconvenience anyone but was hoping to find a ride for it.???Mark _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Jun 29 14:14:46 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:14:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> <50942E84-A81C-489C-B078-291C304A0469@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <001601c9f8fe$a13f1f60$83674b47@mikecomp> Nice slideshow Keith. Good to see Glen and the gang. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures >> Good pictures Dave. Here is a link to the photo's I took at the show: >> http://photobucket.com/SIAM-2009 > Keith > > > > Keith Kinney > kkinney at herculesengines.com > WWW.HerculesEngines.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Jun 29 14:23:26 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:23:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> <4A48F0E6.5060300@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Not chasing Totty?? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures > Great pictures, Dave - really enjoyed seeing everyone having a good time. > I see that Arnie was still catching up from the EHOWT - in every picture > he's either sleeping or eating! > > Dolly > > David Rotigel wrote: >> Hi All, AT LAST the pictures of the SIAM 2009 show are up. You can see >> them at: http://gallery.me.com/rotigel >> Dave >> > -- > > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Mon Jun 29 14:39:09 2009 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:39:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files In-Reply-To: <4A48A52E.2020508@insulate.co.uk> References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL><9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs><2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs><80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL><6f6025160906282322m7d04a44bgfdbd51433c1c795b@mail.gmail.com> <4A48628B.9000205@insulate.co.uk> <4A48A52E.2020508@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <003601c9f902$0e2c60d0$2a852270$@net.au> Just a comment, I use win xp pro sp3, Office 2007 and outlook 2007, IE 8 and it works fine with opening attachments. Win Media player 11 and dvd's, now, that's a different and frustrating issue which I cant find a solution to. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim French Sent: Monday, 29 June 2009 21:28 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files Everyone having problems opening attachments within email following an upgrade to IE8: Go to http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700 This problem is with anyone using a Windows Mail program (Outlook Express, Outlook, Mail etc) and occurs when you download IE8 - whether or not you actually USE IE8. Once IE8 is on your system, you can't open email attachments. If anyone has any further problems, contact me off-list to avoid offending anyone with the amount of off-topic emails. Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Jun 29 14:42:55 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:42:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures In-Reply-To: <50942E84-A81C-489C-B078-291C304A0469@herculesengines.com> References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> <50942E84-A81C-489C-B078-291C304A0469@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <41D13E0B31F545DEA67250D84497C7E9@KerryPC> Wow Keith, congratulations to Isaac on a beautiful job, well done, I assume it is for the 4H Kerry >> Good pictures Dave. Here is a link to the photo's I took at the show: >> http://photobucket.com/SIAM-2009 > Keith From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Jun 29 16:35:12 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures In-Reply-To: <4A48F0E6.5060300@insulate.co.uk> References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> <4A48F0E6.5060300@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <41dfbfc40824d64a15918e4c550ef395.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Dolly, Sleeping, eating, drinking, chasing totty, ... If you have your engines setup well, one flip of the flywheels in the morning and they run all day. Which leaves ample time for the MORE IMPORTANT engine show pursuits. (See the beginning of this reply.) Capish? 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - You'd be DEEPLY concerned if you DIDN'T see me engaging in all of that! On Mon, June 29, 2009 12:50 pm, Jim French wrote: > Great pictures, Dave - really enjoyed seeing everyone having a good time. > I see that Arnie was still catching up from the EHOWT - in every picture > he's either sleeping or eating! > > Dolly From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Jun 29 16:35:52 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:35:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures In-Reply-To: <41dfbfc40824d64a15918e4c550ef395.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com><4A48F0E6.5060300@insulate.co.uk> <41dfbfc40824d64a15918e4c550ef395.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <561A972C78654422B71A3FA11D3DDDA1@KerryPC> G'Day Mate >If you have your engines setup well, one flip of the flywheels in the >morning and they run all day. When did you start this system, my bloody arms are still sore from Baraboo and Portland 2 years ago Kerry From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 29 16:37:31 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:37:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files References: <3D0841038F6A439F95757232107740B0@PAUL> <9C6A9925B5BA44A98E5AB79C6EC95169@ecsserverwebs> <2286FDBE2932417CBE184988367806F2@ecsserverwebs> <80858070B275475BB32EFDBECD9C0DC7@PAUL><6f6025160906282322m7d04a44bgfdbd51433c1c795b@mail.gmail.com> <4A48628B.9000205@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E4CB77F705B403AA360CF4148F1F648@PAUL> Thanks Dolly, I will go to the MS forum and see if I can get a fix/ Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T O.T Need computer help opening .jpg files > Hi Peter > > It's nothing to do with editing images; MS have made an upgrade > incompatible with itself, so that a simple image file can no longer be > opened within the email program - as Paul said, it has to be saved, THEN > opened. > Paul, you'll find a cure within the MS forums. They made a program > which will delete IE8 and reinstate IE7 - simply using Firefox will NOT > cure this. > > Dolly > > Listerdiesel wrote: >> >> Have you got a software package installed to edit images in the first >> place? >> >> If you have, then when you click on an image title, it should call the >> package and run it, so the image can be opened. >> >> From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Jun 29 16:40:44 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:40:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Peter Osborne Message-ID: <40FD4D1F5D64479190632C1179F7214A@KerryPC> Peter tried twice to reply to your sunshine post but bounces bay as User unknown ? yes there is a wad of gauze needed, I was told to help atomize the fuel as it is first sucked into the sump as the piston goes up (vacuum) and then pressurized and forced into the inlet port as the piston comes down. Important that the brass main bearings seal well or you will not get a good vacuum or pressure. Mine is a prick of a thing and never got to sort it out, will run but continues to blow fuel out of the carb, it is all about the governor which in itself is an unusual design I got a manual I think from Rally Badges, I am enjoying the North Qld sun at the moment otherwise I would scan and send on.and check out mine and take photos etc as needed. If I can help just ask Kerry From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Jun 29 22:40:45 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:40:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures In-Reply-To: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> Message-ID: <20090630054042.0159933827A@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> G'day Dave, mate good looking lot of photos there. Make me all the more excited about getting over there and joining in on the fun. We are counting down the weeks now so look out you guys! PS: another plane fell out of the sky today, Doesn't make Carmel all that confident to fly! It's a bloody long way to swim so I recon she will take her chances. At 12:26 AM 30/06/2009, you wrote: >Hi All, AT LAST the pictures of the SIAM 2009 show are up. You can see >them at: http://gallery.me.com/rotigel > Dave >PS, Keith, can you fine a way to get them to Marian? Thanks! >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Jun 30 01:39:30 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:39:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Twin cylinder Bartram Message-ID: Here is something you will not see every day. A twin cylinder, hit and miss, Bartram. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4JK0t4fWRI Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Jun 30 05:02:02 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:02:02 EDT Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures Message-ID: In a message dated 6/29/2009 7:28:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: If you have your engines setup well, one flip of the flywheels in the morning and they run all day Are you saying that your engines are better tuned than Dave's? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377075x1201454393/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JunestepsfooterNO62) From rotigel at me.com Tue Jun 30 06:46:50 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:46:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Are you saying that your engines are better tuned than Dave's? > > Tom Schmutz They sure were at SIAM and Coolspring! Dave From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Jun 30 08:05:34 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:05:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Twin cylinder Bartram In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Patrick: Interesting engine! What were they originally used for (if for other than the ordinary things)? When were they made and where? Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 03:40 AM > To: ATIS; Oldengine > Subject: [SEL] Twin cylinder Bartram From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Jun 30 09:41:13 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:41:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Zippers In-Reply-To: <410-2200960281131531@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200960281131531@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I claim temporary amnesia and hope no one on the EHOWT trip has pictures to prove otherwise! Steve > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:13:15 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Zippers > > > What say you Steve? > > > [Original Message] > > From: Arnie Fero > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 6/27/2009 10:48:57 AM > > > > What happened in Belgium, stays in Belgium. Now if Steve wants to post > pics... > > > > > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 From Jim at hardmanfamily.net Tue Jun 30 11:06:50 2009 From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:06:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A Tractor's Song, OT Message-ID: <5339548553CE4EE6A788586CF00EED2C@JamesDesktop> Off topic, but just worthwhile... http://fschnell.net/WordPress/?p=1094 Jim in Vermont From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Jun 30 12:40:16 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:40:16 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Kawasaki decal Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090630213245.00c100e8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Sorry about another "Off Topic" post. A mate is rebuilding a Kawasaki KX 125 scrambler and asked me to make decals for him (another freebie :-)) I cannot find a pic of the KX 125 decal (not the whole set - just the small one that goes near the seat). I thought that maybe a list member may have one of these bikes and could take a digital pic of the decal for me. (Straight on and from as close as your camera can manage). I know that the decal did change for different years but I'm not fussy about that. Pretty much any year will be O.K. (It's not an OLD ENGINE after all). If anyone can help I would appreciate it - please send it direct to me at: - not to the list! many thanks Jerry From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Jun 30 15:36:25 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:36:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT the hi road or the low road Message-ID: <20090630223623.333DC304166@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> G'day All, just asking for some thoughts of those who may be in the know. We are still planing (trying to at least) our road trip from Chicago to Buffalo, back to Detroit, Across the lake on the ferry to Baraboo!. I have had plenty say driving is easy because of all the great roads/freeways. We have plenty of time to poke about have a sticky nose at all kinds of things. Saying this I'm sure these great roads by-pass many great points of interest. Anyone having some suggestion on when to take a left or right hand turn off the freeways to perhaps pass by some good old looking towns etc please feel free to contact us off list russell at ncable.com.au PS: thanks to Arnie we have a great collection of maps and travel planers and continually check them over. Just always good to hear from some of the locals? regards Russell From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Jun 30 15:54:29 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:54:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT the hi road or the low road References: <20090630223623.333DC304166@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: Russ, Marg and I drove from Miami to San Francisco on our first visit to USA. It was ok on the main roads but SO easy to make a mistake on turning, leaving a fuel stop etc. No matter how careful you are, the brain drops into auto mode at times and driving on the other side of the road is a deadly challenge. So much so that I have never driven there since. I, and they, are safer that way. Smartarse Kerry did a stint in a motorhome one year. I am sure he will agree with me on this. BE CAREFUL!! Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:36 AM Subject: [SEL] OT the hi road or the low road > G'day All, just asking for some thoughts of those who may be in the > know. We are still planing (trying to at least) our road trip from > Chicago to Buffalo, back to Detroit, Across the lake on the ferry to > Baraboo!. I have had plenty say driving is easy because of all the > great roads/freeways. We have plenty of time to poke about have a > sticky nose at all kinds of things. Saying this I'm sure these great > roads by-pass many great points of interest. Anyone having some > suggestion on when to take a left or right hand turn off the freeways > to perhaps pass by some good old looking towns etc please feel free > to contact us off list russell at ncable.com.au > > PS: thanks to Arnie we have a great collection of maps and travel > planers and continually check them over. Just always good to hear > from some of the locals? > > regards Russell > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at me.com Tue Jun 30 16:25:21 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:25:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT the hi road or the low road In-Reply-To: <20090630223623.333DC304166@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> References: <20090630223623.333DC304166@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <1D2AA3BA-7C0B-4127-ABFC-93655EFD95A3@me.com> Hi Russ, Be sure to stop by Cody 9th Grade Academy while in Detriot. I understand that thinge are wild there from time to time! (See: http://freep.com/article/20090630/NEWS01/90630050/Gunfire+wounds+7+Detroit+teens++3+critically) Dave On Jun 30, 2009, at 6:36 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > G'day All, just asking for some thoughts of those who may be in the > know. We are still planing (trying to at least) our road trip from > Chicago to Buffalo, back to Detroit, Across the lake on the ferry to > Baraboo!. I have had plenty say driving is easy because of all the > great roads/freeways. We have plenty of time to poke about have a > sticky nose at all kinds of things. Saying this I'm sure these great > roads by-pass many great points of interest. Anyone having some > suggestion on when to take a left or right hand turn off the freeways > to perhaps pass by some good old looking towns etc please feel free > to contact us off list russell at ncable.com.au > > PS: thanks to Arnie we have a great collection of maps and travel > planers and continually check them over. Just always good to hear > from some of the locals? > > regards Russell From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Jun 30 16:26:44 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:26:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT the hi road or the low road In-Reply-To: References: <20090630223623.333DC304166@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: What do you mean smartarse :-)) The hardest thing in driving is making turns at intersections, Ruth was a savior there and would remind me, her sayings were Right turn keep it tight, eg turn in close where we go to the other side Left turn keep it loose. go to the other side where we turn to the closest gutter. tip when you first drive away from the hire car place get behind some one and follow for awhile, ensure Carmel can read a map as you will have enough to think of and you start to panic in traffic if you don't know exactly were your going. I told you before but ensure you have car insurance, seemed to be a extra Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT the hi road or the low road > Russ, Marg and I drove from Miami to San Francisco on our first visit to > USA. > It was ok on the main roads but SO easy to make a mistake on turning, > leaving a fuel stop etc. No matter how careful you are, the brain drops > into > auto mode at times and driving on the other side of the road is a deadly > challenge. > So much so that I have never driven there since. I, and they, are safer > that > way. > Smartarse Kerry did a stint in a motorhome one year. I am sure he will > agree > with me on this. > BE CAREFUL!! > Reg. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russell Gilbert" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:36 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT the hi road or the low road > > >> G'day All, just asking for some thoughts of those who may be in the >> know. We are still planing (trying to at least) our road trip from >> Chicago to Buffalo, back to Detroit, Across the lake on the ferry to >> Baraboo!. I have had plenty say driving is easy because of all the >> great roads/freeways. We have plenty of time to poke about have a >> sticky nose at all kinds of things. Saying this I'm sure these great >> roads by-pass many great points of interest. Anyone having some >> suggestion on when to take a left or right hand turn off the freeways >> to perhaps pass by some good old looking towns etc please feel free >> to contact us off list russell at ncable.com.au >> >> PS: thanks to Arnie we have a great collection of maps and travel >> planers and continually check them over. Just always good to hear >> from some of the locals? >> >> regards Russell >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Tue Jun 30 17:05:36 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:05:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT the hi road or the low road In-Reply-To: References: <20090630223623.333DC304166@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: Hi Reg Each Jan. and June guys from the Dept of Homeland Security stop in here to ask if I have seen you since that trip. Arnie says that the same thing happens at his place in March and Sept. Don't worry mate, we always tell them that it was Marg that was driving and she was just some chick from the UK that you met in the keys! Dave On Jun 30, 2009, at 6:54 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: > Russ, Marg and I drove from Miami to San Francisco on our first > visit to > USA. > It was ok on the main roads but SO easy to make a mistake on turning, > leaving a fuel stop etc. No matter how careful you are, the brain > drops into > auto mode at times and driving on the other side of the road is a > deadly > challenge. > So much so that I have never driven there since. I, and they, are > safer that > way. > Smartarse Kerry did a stint in a motorhome one year. I am sure he > will agree > with me on this. > BE CAREFUL!! > Reg. From rotigel at me.com Tue Jun 30 17:09:39 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:09:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT the hi road or the low road In-Reply-To: References: <20090630223623.333DC304166@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: You have a GOOD women there Kerry. Sure as hell can NOT understand why Ruth stays with you! Dave PS, Free men drive on the right side of the road! On Jun 30, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Kerry wrote: > What do you mean smartarse :-)) > > The hardest thing in driving is making turns at intersections, Ruth > was a > savior there and would remind me, her sayings were > Right turn keep it tight, eg turn in close where we go to the other > side > Left turn keep it loose. go to the other side where we turn to the > closest > gutter. > > Kerry From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 30 16:54:53 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:54:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com> Message-ID: <76ADCD691AB141C780BCBD15BFB155F8@PAUL> Thanks Dave for sharing the pictures. It was good to see Glenn was at the show and I hope he is doing well. It was sad not seeing Bill Miller in the group pictures as he never missed the SIAM show. Nice to see the rest of the gang. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:26 AM Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures > Hi All, AT LAST the pictures of the SIAM 2009 show are up. You can see > them at: http://gallery.me.com/rotigel > Dave > PS, Keith, can you fine a way to get them to Marian? Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Jun 30 17:24:48 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:24:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT the hi road or the low road In-Reply-To: References: <20090630223623.333DC304166@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <95E37DEB769C439F8FDA3C190326089B@KerryPC> G'Day mate, that's why I love this list, giggle giggle giggle > PS, Free men drive on the right side of the road! Kerry From kosh at ncweb.com Tue Jun 30 17:43:53 2009 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:43:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT the hi road or the low road In-Reply-To: <20090630223623.333DC304166@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090630200311.0c2e7840@ncweb.com> Depending on the timing, there are a lot of shows all over the place at this time of year. Many people focus on the big event shows, but there's usually something interesting at even the smaller ones. Also, many shows spill back into midweek, so you don't need to catch them on a weekend. One item is to take the coal fired steam ferry from Ludington to Manitowoc, instead of the shiny new boring one to Baraboo, although the big circus museum in Baraboo is worthwhile. On the west edge of Manitowoc is the Manitowoc crane factory and training facility, with always a bunch of ginormous machines sitting out to look at...ie, a lowboy trailer filled with a single crawler track. Their licensed toy store is there too, where you can spend big $$$ easily. Also depending on the time you have allotted, you could do the Lake Erie Circle Tour, which circles the lake shore on very well paved 2-lane roads near the lake shore. You can make good time on these roads, with plenty of scenery all along the way. The tour route is designated and marked with signs. Note that the Great Lakes are not lakes in the usual sense, but big freshwater seas. There are wineries all along the Lake Erie shore, especially east of Erie. If you're into railroads, one of the busiest, fastest, and highest tonnage main lines in the world runs from Chicago to Buffalo, ex New York Central, always within a couple miles of the lake, paralleled by a second, more picturesque line, ex Nickel Plate. There are a series of lake ports along the Ohio shore where you can see really old freighters, some still steam, or diesel conversions that still use steam for the winches and auxiliaries. The oldest, homeported Milwaukee, is from 1906, the second oldest is from 1929, and many are from the 1940's. Toledo has a lake freighter museum from the 1920's, Cleveland has a WW-II sub in unmodified condition, and a lake freighter from 1926, Erie has the Brig Niagara, unless it is out on tour, and a big machinery museum, and Buffalo has a naval museum with 3 good ships. Just west of the city dock in Erie is an old water works, with one of the original big triple expansion steam pumping engines still there to see, although not "presented". North of Buffalo, is the Welland canal, which has plenty of both laker and salties traffic. This is quite a list, and barely scratches the surface. Have fun! Dave Merchant At 06:36 PM 6/30/2009, Russell Gilbert wrote: >G'day All, just asking for some thoughts of those who may be in the >know. We are still planing (trying to at least) our road trip from >Chicago to Buffalo, back to Detroit, Across the lake on the ferry to >Baraboo!. I have had plenty say driving is easy because of all the >great roads/freeways. We have plenty of time to poke about have a >sticky nose at all kinds of things. Saying this I'm sure these great >roads by-pass many great points of interest. Anyone having some >suggestion on when to take a left or right hand turn off the freeways >to perhaps pass by some good old looking towns etc please feel free >to contact us off list russell at ncable.com.au > >PS: thanks to Arnie we have a great collection of maps and travel >planers and continually check them over. Just always good to hear >from some of the locals? > >regards Russell > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Jun 30 19:09:50 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:09:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Zippers References: <410-2200960281131531@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003101c9f9f1$04645a90$83674b47@mikecomp> You have had temporary amnesia so long it is permanent by now....... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Zippers I claim temporary amnesia and hope no one on the EHOWT trip has pictures to prove otherwise! Steve > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:13:15 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Zippers > > > What say you Steve? > > > [Original Message] > > From: Arnie Fero > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 6/27/2009 10:48:57 AM > > > > What happened in Belgium, stays in Belgium. Now if Steve wants to post > pics... > > > > > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From elidas at aol.com Tue Jun 30 19:48:18 2009 From: elidas at aol.com (elidas at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:48:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Connecticut show In-Reply-To: <20090630223623.333DC304166@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> References: <20090630223623.333DC304166@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <8CBC80D863E48D0-16F8-1E6C@Webmail-mg20.sim.aol.com> ?There will be an engine and tractor?show at Bethany airport?July 10-12.? We are trying to get a large group of antique lawn and garden stuff.?There is plenty of room.??This show is not in the show directory. ? From tchristoff at earthlink.net Tue Jun 30 20:30:48 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:30:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Zippers Message-ID: <410-2200973133048343@earthlink.net> Too late Steve, my eyes have now been opened to whatever that thing was that you so lovingly call Zippers. I must say Dude, get some help! That is nasty. Though I can see one good side to it, just think of the all around coverage you can get from that, provided both halfs can work independently of one another. Mike, untarp those engines and bring them to Portland and we can work a deal, your brother seems to be "Split" on lifes choices. Tim > [Original Message] > From: Steve Royster > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 6/30/2009 11:41:13 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Zippers > > > I claim temporary amnesia and hope no one on the EHOWT trip has pictures to prove otherwise! Steve > > > > > > > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:13:15 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Zippers > > > > > > What say you Steve? > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Arnie Fero > > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > > Date: 6/27/2009 10:48:57 AM > > > > > > What happened in Belgium, stays in Belgium. Now if Steve wants to post > > pics... > > > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria l_Storage_062009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Jun 30 21:33:42 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 00:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] SIAM 2009 Pictures In-Reply-To: <561A972C78654422B71A3FA11D3DDDA1@KerryPC> References: <3915021B-21AC-4625-8420-9451822ADC8C@me.com><4A48F0E6.5060300@insulate.co.uk> <41dfbfc40824d64a15918e4c550ef395.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <561A972C78654422B71A3FA11D3DDDA1@KerryPC> Message-ID: <66f4e5af7bb1983d6f00bdf88628271e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Mate, Well, your lovely bride told me that you were getting a bit pudgy and asked me if I could get you a bit of a workout at Baraboo & Portland; so I dialed the Bessemer off just a bit. Something so that you would get a workout, but stop short of cardiac arrest. Hugs & kisses to your missus. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, June 29, 2009 7:35 pm, Kerry wrote: > >>If you have your engines setup well, one flip of the flywheels in the >>morning and they run all day. > > When did you start this system, my bloody arms are still sore from Baraboo > and Portland 2 years ago