From garyepps at fidnet.com  Thu Jan  1 06:52:27 2009
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:52:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez
In-Reply-To: <410-220081262051619640@earthlink.net>
References: <410-220081262051619640@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <375acf600901010652x14f11e3fw8dfd6b6f799bba19@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Guys,
How about another approach to the tie down problem. Why not use lift
up tie down rings into the trailer decking and make up some2"x4" or4"
x4" blocks adjustedwith an appropriate length ofall- thread tjoln the
blockkstight againsst the front & back of the wheel.s
Sorry about the typing/spelling, the two halves of my brain aren't
communicating well right now.

Gary

On 12/19/08, Tim Christoff <tchristoff at earthlink.net> wrote:
> That video really doesn't prove much Al, not trying to pick a fight.
>  Sheetrock screws are designed for sheetrock into lumber, thats it.  Using
>  them for anything else and they can and will shear easily.  When watching
>  that video, the man hit the construction screw in the threaded area.  Yes
>  it will shear easily there.  That is why you buy construction screws with a
>  shank that will allow the threads to completly embed in the receiving
>  lumber and not between the two peices being joined.  The shank will have
>  greater shear strength then the threaded part.  Nails are also (most of
>  them) made of softer metal so they will bend or pull before shearing.  You
>  can take a ring shank nail of a 60D size, that's a hell of a lot bigger
>  around than a 16D, and shear it in half with just 2 hits of a 22 oz hammer
>  if the ring part of the nail is not completly embelded in the lumber.  So
>  there is a large nail that is no better than a smaller screw when not used
>  properly.  With the proper screw being used, you can put something together
>  a lot tighter and stronger than you can using nails but you will also pay
>  for it in the cost of the screws and the time it takes to insert them.
>
>
>  Tim Christoff
>  Basehor Kansas
>
>
>  > [Original Message]
>
> > From: Al Harris <al.harris at rustic-engines.com>
>
> > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
> > Date: 12/19/2008 10:43:23 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez
>
> >
>  > >
>  http://www.metacafe.com/watch/967794/shear_strength_of_nails_drywall_screws_
>  amp_construction_screw/
>  >
>  > Cheers,
>  >
>  > Al Harris
>  > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>  >
>  > al.harris at rustic-engines.com
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Tim Christoff wrote:
>  > > Tim Christoff
>  > > Basehor Kansas
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >> [Original Message]
>  > >> From: Dave Merchant <kosh at ncweb.com>
>  > >> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
>  The
>  > >>
>  > > SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>  > >
>  > >> Date: 12/19/2008 8:10:07 PM
>  > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter - now homebuilding
>  > >>
>  > >> New deck screws are coming thru in the US with T25 Torx heads.
>  > >> Gives a real positive drive, but don't know how they'd be to remove
>  > >> after a few years exposure.
>  > >>
>  > >
>  > > They seem to come back out very well as long as the head isn't packed
>  with
>  > > dirt.  Pretty pricy though.
>  > >
>  > >> Previously in the US, deck screws used a "combo" head, square drive
>  > >> superimposed on Phillips. Gave a lot of engagement for the matching
>  > >> driver, really worked well, but the T25 seems slightly better.
>  > >>
>  > >
>  > > The square drives are great as long as you use just a square tip, that
>  > > combo tip is still too much like a phillips bit and will still start
>  > > stripping them out after the first 100 or so.
>  > >
>  > >> Cement board screws here have square drive, and it's real easy to
>  > >> strip the square out to round, especially with the super-hard old pine
>  > >> studs + joists in our old house. Worst is square drive in some
>  stainless
>  > >> screws we tried to use. The stainless is too soft, stripped out many
>  > >>
>  > > heads.
>  > >
>  > > There is one stainless screw out there (don't know the name) but I never
>  > > could strip one.  One of my customers had gotten ahold of a 50lb box of
>  > > them and I never could find them after that.
>  > >
>  > >> Deck screws, at least in the US, have a very special coating, since the
>  > >> enviro-crazies got the normal green pressure treated timber banned.
>  > >>
>  > >
>  > > Might want to check out the patten office on that one.  Seems like just
>  > > when CCA was determined bad for the enviroment, 3M's process patten ran
>  > > out.  Thats when they came out with ACQ and yes, that stuff will eat
>  > > through damn near anything.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >> The replacement is also green, but is about 4 times more corrosive
>  > >> to fasteners than the old stuff. (Manufacturer's statement, not mine!)
>  > >>
>  > >> We built a scaffold last year from pressure treated + 1/2" chromated
>  > >>
>  > > bolts.
>  > >
>  > >> Had it up for 2 weeks before dismantling it, and the bolts look like
>  > >> battery terminals.
>  > >>
>  > >
>  > > You should see what it does to a triple dip post mount after 2 months.
>  > >
>  > >>> Those screws are also excellent for screwing 4x2 cleats to your
>  trailer
>  > >>> deck to
>  > >>> help keep engines from moving around.  I like #10 x 3" long.
>  > >>>
>  > >>> I just thought, what the hell, lets say something about ENGINES for a
>  > >>>
>  > > change.
>  > >
>  > >>> 8-)))
>  > >>>
>  > >>> See ya,  Arnie
>  > >>>
>  > >
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From garyepps at fidnet.com  Thu Jan  1 07:15:14 2009
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 09:15:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel
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References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h>
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It oughta go  like the wind!
Gary

Seriously, Tommy, can you carry on a conversation going up hill
working the Cummins hard?  I rode with a friend and all conversation
stopped going up hill.

Gary

On 12/20/08, Judge Tommy Turner <Lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:
> Well I've thought about that Dave. I had better do something quick though as
>  I've heard that beginning Jan. 20 we have to run 'em on solar or wind.......
>  maybe an electric 3/4 ton pickup?
>
>
>  Tommy Turner
>  Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
>  To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>  Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 3:59 PM
>  Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel
>
>
>  > Hi Tommy, I'm not even sure that these damn internal combustion
>  > engines aren't just the latest "fad." Have you given any thought to
>  > steam?
>  > Dave
>  >
>  >
>  > On Dec 20, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>  >
>  >>
>  >> I would certainly agree with you on this Peter.  The newest version of
>  >> diesels probably have as many electronic "gizmos" as any gas
>  >> though.  I was
>  >> chatting with a mechanic yesterday that works for a trucking
>  >> company.  He
>  >> told me they could connect via the internet (and a subsequent
>  >> satellite
>  >> connection) and adjust the engine HP, idle speed, maximum mph, etc.
>  >> while
>  >> the trucks were on the road.  He said everything from a local 1 ton
>  >> delivery
>  >> to their biggest road tractors could be adjusted this way.  Really
>  >> too high
>  >> tech for me!
>  >>
>  >> Tommy Turner
>  >> Magnolia, KY
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>>
>  >>>> From that point of view, a mechanically injected diesel might be
>  >>> easier to maintain than an electronically injected petrol engine.
>  >>>
>  >>> Just a thought.
>  >>>
>  >>> Peter
>  >>> --
>  >>> Peter A Forbes
>  >>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>  >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>  >>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
>  >>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  1 07:34:05 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:34:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez
Message-ID: <987729.19822.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Gary,

Sounds to me like you want me to spend money when I don't need to.
Form nails are cheap and my flat bed trailer has a deck of full size 2X8s spaced 
about a half inch apart.
There are many tie down areas to hook a ratchet strap hook.
I?have a tote bag with around 65 - 1" X 15' ratchet strap.
 Then to haul big stuff on the trailer I have a large tote with a dozen or so heavy 
ratchet straps
Lots of chains and??binders too.

I will not go buy a bunch of those fancy flip up D-rings,??8>)))

Alan in Michigan?

--- On Thu, 1/1/09, Gary Epps <garyepps at fidnet.com> wrote:

From: Gary Epps <garyepps at fidnet.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 9:52 AM


-----Inline Attachment Follows-----

Hey Guys,
How about another approach to the tie down problem. Why not use lift
up tie down rings into the trailer decking and make up some2"x4" or4"
x4" blocks adjustedwith an appropriate length ofall- thread tjoln the
blockkstight againsst the front & back of the wheel.s
Sorry about the typing/spelling, the two halves of my brain aren't
communicating well right now.

Gary


From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jan  1 08:24:45 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:24:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel
References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h><6f6025160812200527y48226894rafd66064b56954bb@mail.gmail.com><912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h><52B99C1C-47BF-4BFD-B836-45D7F60AAB09@alltel.net><6FCFF252EC7541FCA69689B80299648D@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<375acf600901010715m164cb64ei4978b39432f46ff8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A01921626BDC46BB99684D26412B9749@tommydk7hxjr4h>

My Dodge is a 2008 model.  It was built the last month of the 12 valve 
series. While its a bit louder than a gas, its not so bad that I've ever had 
any problem like you describe.  The newer 5.9's are about as quiet as a gas 
engine.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Epps" <garyepps at fidnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel


> It oughta go  like the wind!
> Gary
>
> Seriously, Tommy, can you carry on a conversation going up hill
> working the Cummins hard?  I rode with a friend and all conversation
> stopped going up hill.
>
> Gary
>
> On 12/20/08, Judge Tommy Turner <Lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:
>> Well I've thought about that Dave. I had better do something quick though 
>> as
>>  I've heard that beginning Jan. 20 we have to run 'em on solar or 
>> wind.......
>>  maybe an electric 3/4 ton pickup?
>>
>>
>>  Tommy Turner
>>  Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
>>  To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>  Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 3:59 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel
>>
>>
>>  > Hi Tommy, I'm not even sure that these damn internal combustion
>>  > engines aren't just the latest "fad." Have you given any thought to
>>  > steam?
>>  > Dave
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > On Dec 20, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>>  >
>>  >>
>>  >> I would certainly agree with you on this Peter.  The newest version 
>> of
>>  >> diesels probably have as many electronic "gizmos" as any gas
>>  >> though.  I was
>>  >> chatting with a mechanic yesterday that works for a trucking
>>  >> company.  He
>>  >> told me they could connect via the internet (and a subsequent
>>  >> satellite
>>  >> connection) and adjust the engine HP, idle speed, maximum mph, etc.
>>  >> while
>>  >> the trucks were on the road.  He said everything from a local 1 ton
>>  >> delivery
>>  >> to their biggest road tractors could be adjusted this way.  Really
>>  >> too high
>>  >> tech for me!
>>  >>
>>  >> Tommy Turner
>>  >> Magnolia, KY
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>>
>>  >>>> From that point of view, a mechanically injected diesel might be
>>  >>> easier to maintain than an electronically injected petrol engine.
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Just a thought.
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Peter
>>  >>> --
>>  >>> Peter A Forbes
>>  >>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>>  >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>>  >>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
>>  >>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
>>  >>> _______________________________________________
>>  >>> SEL mailing list
>>  >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>  >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Thu Jan  1 09:19:52 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 11:19:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel
In-Reply-To: <A01921626BDC46BB99684D26412B9749@tommydk7hxjr4h>
References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h>
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Tommy,
I assume you meant 1998?  The 12 valve engines were replaced with the 
24 valve in early '99.

I drove a 1991 Dodge Cummins 4x4 for a couple years back in 
2001-2002.  LOVED the engine but HATED the truck.  Dodge's build 
quality left alot to be desired IMO.  I think they have gotten better 
since 1991 though.  I would love to find an old 70's or 80's Chevy 1 
ton 4x4 to throw a 12 valve Cummins in with a 5 speed NV-4500 behind 
it.  THAT would be the ultimate truck IMO.

But then again I'm a diesel nut and a truck driver... I LOVE the loud 
smokey clatter!

-Tony



At 10:24 AM 1/1/2009, you wrote:
>My Dodge is a 2008 model.  It was built the last month of the 12 valve
>series. While its a bit louder than a gas, its not so bad that I've ever had
>any problem like you describe.  The newer 5.9's are about as quiet as a gas
>engine.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY




From kimmell at verizon.net  Thu Jan  1 09:23:04 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 11:23:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel
In-Reply-To: <375acf600901010715m164cb64ei4978b39432f46ff8@mail.gmail.co m>
References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h>
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	<375acf600901010715m164cb64ei4978b39432f46ff8@mail.gmail.com>
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At 09:15 AM 1/1/2009, Gary Epps wrote:
>can you carry on a conversation going up hill
>working the Cummins hard?  I rode with a friend and all conversation
>stopped going up hill.


Gary,
If he had a straight pipe exhaust, then I don't doubt it!  My old 
Dodge had a 4" straight pipe.  Neighbors didn't like me too much at 
6:30 in the morning :-)

-Tony



From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jan  1 09:46:07 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:46:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel
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Yup, I meant '98.  My truck was built the month before the 24 valve 
switchover (according to what the dealer told me).  So, if that happened 
with the '99 model year, my truck may have been built in the last month of 
'98 production.  Its been (and still is) a great truck and I can't decide if 
I want to trade right now or not.  It gets about 21 mpg unloaded and about 
17 - 18 mpg pulling a trailer with 5000 lbs on it.  Not bad.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony & Jackie" <kimmell at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel


> Tommy,
> I assume you meant 1998?  The 12 valve engines were replaced with the
> 24 valve in early '99.
>
> I drove a 1991 Dodge Cummins 4x4 for a couple years back in
> 2001-2002.  LOVED the engine but HATED the truck.  Dodge's build
> quality left alot to be desired IMO.  I think they have gotten better
> since 1991 though.  I would love to find an old 70's or 80's Chevy 1
> ton 4x4 to throw a 12 valve Cummins in with a 5 speed NV-4500 behind
> it.  THAT would be the ultimate truck IMO.
>
> But then again I'm a diesel nut and a truck driver... I LOVE the loud
> smokey clatter!
>
> -Tony
>
>
>
> At 10:24 AM 1/1/2009, you wrote:
>>My Dodge is a 2008 model.  It was built the last month of the 12 valve
>>series. While its a bit louder than a gas, its not so bad that I've ever 
>>had
>>any problem like you describe.  The newer 5.9's are about as quiet as a 
>>gas
>>engine.
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, KY
>
>
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From garyepps at fidnet.com  Thu Jan  1 10:13:04 2009
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:13:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez
In-Reply-To: <987729.19822.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <987729.19822.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <375acf600901011013r323a095dhb25e862301087dc@mail.gmail.com>

Alan, I really don't care how you choose to spend your,I was just
suggesting anothersolution to the problem.

On 1/1/09, Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Gary,wr
>
>  Sounds to me like you want me to spend money when I don't need to.
>  Form nails are cheap and my flat bed trailer has a deck of full size 2X8s spaced
>  about a half inch apart.
>  There are many tie down areas to hook a ratchet strap hook.
>  I have a tote bag with around 65 - 1" X 15' ratchet strap.
>   Then to haul big stuff on the trailer I have a large tote with a dozen or so heavy
>  ratchet straps
>  Lots of chains and  binders too.
>
>  I will not go buy a bunch of those fancy flip up D-rings,  8>)))
>
>  Alan in Michigan
>
>  --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Gary Epps <garyepps at fidnet.com> wrote:
>
>  From: Gary Epps <garyepps at fidnet.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez
>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
> Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 9:52 AM
>
>
>  -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>
>
>  Hey Guys,
>  How about another approach to the tie down problem. Why not use lift
>  up tie down rings into the trailer decking and make up some2"x4" or4"
>  x4" blocks adjustedwith an appropriate length ofall- thread tjoln the
>  blockkstight againsst the front & back of the wheel.s
>  Sorry about the typing/spelling, the two halves of my brain aren't
>  communicating well right now.
>
>  Gary
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 10:13:59 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:13:59 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez
In-Reply-To: <987729.19822.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <987729.19822.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901011013s6a74f2c9r2271c817a9b8ca32@mail.gmail.com>

On 01/01/2009, Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I will not go buy a bunch of those fancy flip up D-rings,  8>)))
>
> Alan in Michigan

We have a heaver version of those, but it's a single-bolt fixing with
a triangular hinged ring. If you engineer it with a special retaining
bolt, then it will swivel 360 degrees as well.

The bolt-through-deck D rings aren't too clever unless they are down
to steel somewhere, I hate trusting anything fixed to timber.

Peter
-- 
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From george at irontrader.com  Thu Jan  1 10:26:28 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (George Best)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:26:28 -0800
Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel
In-Reply-To: <0KCS00AUXYRSY1D8@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h>	<6f6025160812200527y48226894rafd66064b56954bb@mail.gmail.com>	<912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h>	<52B99C1C-47BF-4BFD-B836-45D7F60AAB09@alltel.net>	<6FCFF252EC7541FCA69689B80299648D@tommydk7hxjr4h>	<375acf600901010715m164cb64ei4978b39432f46ff8@mail.gmail.com>	<A01921626BDC46BB99684D26412B9749@tommydk7hxjr4h>
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1997 was the last full model year for the Dodge with 12 valve Cummins.
I have a 1998 Dodge with the 24 valve Cummins.  The 24 valve Dodges came out
mid model year and are sometimes called 98-1/2's.

Still got mine and it has 200k miles on it and still running strong.  Sure
it is a bit noisy compared to the new ones, but it is paid for and the new
ones don't get any better mileage.  Three years ago I stopped driving my
pickup to work everyday and it now is used basically to go to engine shows
and for the occasional trips requiring a pickup.  Should last me a long
time.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tony & Jackie
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 9:20 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel

Tommy,
I assume you meant 1998?  The 12 valve engines were replaced with the 
24 valve in early '99.

I drove a 1991 Dodge Cummins 4x4 for a couple years back in 
2001-2002.  LOVED the engine but HATED the truck.  Dodge's build 
quality left alot to be desired IMO.  I think they have gotten better 
since 1991 though.  I would love to find an old 70's or 80's Chevy 1 
ton 4x4 to throw a 12 valve Cummins in with a 5 speed NV-4500 behind 
it.  THAT would be the ultimate truck IMO.

But then again I'm a diesel nut and a truck driver... I LOVE the loud 
smokey clatter!

-Tony



At 10:24 AM 1/1/2009, you wrote:
>My Dodge is a 2008 model.  It was built the last month of the 12 valve
>series. While its a bit louder than a gas, its not so bad that I've ever
had
>any problem like you describe.  The newer 5.9's are about as quiet as a gas
>engine.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY


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From curt at rustyiron.com  Fri Jan  2 07:31:37 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:31:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEHJHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEHJHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <59339.168.215.206.73.1230910297.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>


> Maybe I remember wrong.  I DO know, though, that if you have the O/D
> manually engaged (by bypassing the solenoid and making it stay engaged)
> and try to roll back, it will lock.

Elden,
Ahh that answers the question I had. This is the condition I am seeing on
the bench, so this tells me I have every thing together correctly.
>
> As a matter of fact, in my Perkins'd 50 Chevy, I used that little
> "undocumented feature" to hold the car on uphill grades  like at a traffic
> light on a hill.

I'd thought about doing this very thing to aide a new young driver dealing
with a clutch. There aren't many hills here in the piedmont of NC, but
none-the-less it's a real worry for new drivers. Especially considering
how damned close today's drivers pull up behind people. Back when everyone
was driving stick shifts, everyone left plenty of room to the next driver
at stops for the inevitable roll back.

I've been hammering on Devin the importance of parking and stopping the
engine while using reverse instead of first gear. If for some reason the
emergency brake failed or released, the only remaining "brake" is engine
braking. First with the freewheeling feature is a disaster! Reverse locks
the sun gear and provides engine braking as long as in first or reverse.
It's either do this or remember to pull the OD cable out every time.

I always wondered why my drivers ed. teacher told us to always use reverse
when parking. I'd pulled several manual gearboxes apart by then and knew
the ration was the same for first vs. reverse, but having learned about
these OD gearboxes, it makes perfectly good sense! I always followed his
advise anyway.


> It's always a good idea to lock out the O/D in mountains, etc.  Two
> reasons.......One is that with the lower ratios, engine braking will not
> be as strong and the second is that the free wheeling, even at lower
> speeds, can make for scary downhill driving.

Especially with old drum brakes like this vehicle has!
>
> Ain't this fun??!!

Yes it is!
Curt





From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Jan  2 07:51:50 2009
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:51:50 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note of warning regarding
	lubrication
Message-ID: <d10.40f23195.368f9216@aol.com>

Hi  Curt,
My 1951 Hudson had an overdrive and three speed  transmission.  It worked 
well until, late one night, the solenoid became  loose (if memory serves, it 
screwed into the side of the transmission) and  allowed the lubricant to leak out. 
 I didn't know that had happened  until the overdrive gears complained and by 
then it was ruined.  Had I  known that would/could happen, I could have 
prevented  it. 
Regards,
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, Missouri
PS:  With that, and other overdrive cars, I could  engage the dash lever 
in/out of overdrive by flooring the accelerator and  when the transmission had 
shifted out of overdrive, pull or push the dash  lever.
PPS:  The Hudsons, when in overdrive, would  cruise quietly at 85-90 mph and 
achieve 15-16 mpg doing it.  The Missouri  speed limit at that time was 
"Reasonable and Proper" which meant if you had good  weather, clear roads, and a 
suitable vehicle, you could run as fast as you  wanted.
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From gastzt at aol.com  Fri Jan  2 08:30:33 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:30:33 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note of warning regarding
	lubrication
Message-ID: <c1f.520e0ae8.368f9b29@aol.com>

also--miss my old '51 Hudson--   it was without the  OD---    gave it to my 
brother about 40 yrs  ago---DARN!
 Stan Z
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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Jan  2 09:10:08 2009
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:10:08 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note of warning regarding
	lubrication
Message-ID: <ca1.4aa9819d.368fa470@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/2/2009 10:57:57 AM Central Standard Time,  
gastzt at aol.com writes:

also--miss my old '51 Hudson--   it was without the   OD---    gave it to my 
brother about 40 yrs   ago---DARN!
Stan Z


Hi Stan,
Yes, I miss mine, too.  It had the 308 cu in six  (see, engine stuff)* and a 
back seat the size of a playground.  After  having it bored out .030" I had to 
put a 262 cast iron head on it, along with  two head gaskets to keep the 
compression in check.  The original aluminum  head had trouble keeping gaskets in 
place.  Spare head gaskets and  a spare axle were part of my traveling kit as 
it could twist off an axle in  second gear.
Ron
*stock engine was 3 13/16" bore and 4 1/2"  stroke.  Peak rated horsepower 
was achieved at 4200 rpm.   The  way the cam was set up the engine response in 
third gear was stronger at 70 mph  than at 60 mph.  
 
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jan  2 16:22:51 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:22:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note of warning
	regardinglubrication
In-Reply-To: <d10.40f23195.368f9216@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEILHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron:

I'm not sure but did that '51 have the big 308 CI six option?  With the "Twin-H" (dual carbs), "export cam" and high compression aluminum head, those things were awesome........torque out the wazoo!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> MaytagTwin at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 09:52 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner 
> overdrive...note of warning
> regardinglubrication
> 
> 
> Hi  Curt,
> My 1951 Hudson had an overdrive and three speed  
> transmission.  




From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jan  2 16:26:15 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:26:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note of warning
	regardinglubrication
In-Reply-To: <ca1.4aa9819d.368fa470@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEILHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron:

I had a friend with a '54 Hornet 308.  That thing cornered like it was on rails!  I remember us replacing more than one head gasket and several valve guides.  It had Hydromatic and we never had any axle problems.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> MaytagTwin at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:10 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner 
> overdrive...note of warning
> regardinglubrication
> 
> 
>  
> In a message dated 1/2/2009 10:57:57 AM Central 
> Standard Time,  
> gastzt at aol.com writes:
> 
> also--miss my old '51 Hudson--   it was without 
> the   OD---    gave it to my 
> brother about 40 yrs   ago---DARN!
> Stan Z
> 
> 
> Hi Stan,
> Yes, I miss mine, too.  It had the 308 cu in six  
> (see, engine stuff)* and a 
> back seat the size of a playground.  After  
> having it bored out .030" I had to 
> put a 262 cast iron head on it, along with  two 
> head gaskets to keep the 
> compression in check.  The original aluminum  
> head had trouble keeping gaskets in 
> place.  Spare head gaskets and  a spare axle were 
> part of my traveling kit as 
> it could twist off an axle in  second gear.
> Ron
> *stock engine was 3 13/16" bore and 4 1/2"  
> stroke.  Peak rated horsepower 
> was achieved at 4200 rpm.   The  way the cam was 
> set up the engine response in 
> third gear was stronger at 70 mph  than at 60 mph.




From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Jan  2 17:34:57 2009
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:34:57 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note of warning
	regardinglubrication
Message-ID: <c81.43068b22.36901ac1@aol.com>

 
Hi Elden,
My 51 had the 308 CI six.  It didn't have the  dual carbs or exhausts.  It 
had the aluminum head (until I changed it to  the cast iron head from a 262.)  
Torque?  You betcha.  To twist  an axle in second gear only took a little bit 
of sand on the pavement when  accelerating and in second with it about half 
wound up.  It would slip,  then grab and "twang" it was axle time.  It only 
happened a couple of times  and I found replacing an axle was an easy task.  
 
Hudson did put together a 308 engine they called the  "7X" which had all the 
little tweaks to make it go fast.  I never had one  but was well satisfied 
with what I had.
 
Ron
PS:  Since you have been in one, you probably  remember the center point 
steering and how it would hold a straight line even  with one front wheel in 
adverse conditions.  They had dished the wheels to  the point the center of the 
wheel was directly over the king pin.  It  tended to keep going straight better 
than some of the other cars of that  era.  In later years VW even designed 
their front suspension to provide  steering change to overcome left/right pull due 
to uneven braking.  
 
In a message dated 1/2/2009 5:30:05 PM Central Standard Time,  
edurand at mchsi.com writes:

Ron:

I'm not sure but did that '51 have the big 308 CI six  option?  With the 
"Twin-H" (dual carbs), "export cam" and high  compression aluminum head, those 
things were awesome........torque out the  wazoo!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand  



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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 18:59:29 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:59:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive.
Message-ID: <BAY127-W21C0AD8C147AA6B2546E3BCBE30@phx.gbl>


?I always wondered why my drivers ed. teacher told us to always use reverse when parking.? Not that it?s applicable here, Curt, but with engines with timing belts it?s best to use 
first or reverse, whichever would be appropriate for the direction the car would roll if 
it could.  Turning a timing belt engine backwards can cause all sorts of mayhem.   
?I'd pulled several manual gearboxes apart by then and knew the ration was the same for 
first vs. reverse,?? Not necessarily. There's no mechanical reason this should be so. Lots of transmissions 
are slightly higher (lower numerically) geared in reverse than in low.

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  2 19:48:58 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:48:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction
Message-ID: <53080.96487.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nope,
You are a little tiny sniper.
8>)))

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 12/27/08, Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com> wrote:

From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 5:00 PM

I have to admit, I am a big time sniper!???Hey, do any of you Novo guys know 
the check ball sizes for a 1.5 hp Novo?

Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction


HIDE???
ME????

No it is you hiding.
Are you one of those last second snipers?
Isn't that kinda hard to do when this auction closes 20 minutes after the 
last bid? 8>))

Think how fun this would be if we had 30 or so items to bid on. 8>))

Alan in Michigan



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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jan  3 08:26:02 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:26:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note of
	warningregardinglubrication
In-Reply-To: <c81.43068b22.36901ac1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEJEHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron:

I guess my buddy's '54 Hornet had the 7X because as far as I know, it came from the factory with the options.

Didn't Cadillac also have the "center line" system for a year or two around '50?

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> MaytagTwin at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 07:35 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note of
> warningregardinglubrication
> 
> 
>  
> Hi Elden,
> My 51 had the 308 CI six.  It didn't have the  
> dual carbs or exhausts.  It 
> had the aluminum head (until I changed it to  the 
> cast iron head from a 262.)  
> Torque?  You betcha.  To twist  an axle in second 
> gear only took a little bit 
> of sand on the pavement when  accelerating and in 
> second with it about half 
> wound up.  It would slip,  then grab and "twang" 
> it was axle time.  It only 
> happened a couple of times  and I found replacing 
> an axle was an easy task.  
>  
> Hudson did put together a 308 engine they called 
> the  "7X" which had all the 
> little tweaks to make it go fast.  I never had 
> one  but was well satisfied 
> with what I had.
>  
> Ron
> PS:  Since you have been in one, you probably  
> remember the center point 
> steering and how it would hold a straight line 
> even  with one front wheel in 
> adverse conditions.  They had dished the wheels 
> to  the point the center of the 
> wheel was directly over the king pin.  It  tended 
> to keep going straight better 
> than some of the other cars of that  era.  In 
> later years VW even designed 
> their front suspension to provide  steering 
> change to overcome left/right pull due 
> to uneven braking. 




From shop at cccomm.net  Sat Jan  3 07:31:48 2009
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:31:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel
References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h>	<6f6025160812200527y48226894rafd66064b56954bb@mail.gmail.com>	<912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h>	<52B99C1C-47BF-4BFD-B836-45D7F60AAB09@alltel.net>	<6FCFF252EC7541FCA69689B80299648D@tommydk7hxjr4h>	<375acf600901010715m164cb64ei4978b39432f46ff8@mail.gmail.com>	<A01921626BDC46BB99684D26412B9749@tommydk7hxjr4h><0KCS00AUXYRSY1D8@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
	<000801c96c3e$76f6d5b0$64e48110$@com>
Message-ID: <3F63945F43BA4145ADA023AC32144C4E@YOURA8CFD79427>

I bought a 2008 F250 and kept my old 2002 F250. The noise issue is the 
difference between night and day comparing the two. But I still prefer 
driving the old noisy one.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Best" <george at irontrader.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel


1997 was the last full model year for the Dodge with 12 valve Cummins.
I have a 1998 Dodge with the 24 valve Cummins.  The 24 valve Dodges came out
mid model year and are sometimes called 98-1/2's.

Still got mine and it has 200k miles on it and still running strong.  Sure
it is a bit noisy compared to the new ones, but it is paid for and the new
ones don't get any better mileage.  Three years ago I stopped driving my
pickup to work everyday and it now is used basically to go to engine shows
and for the occasional trips requiring a pickup.  Should last me a long
time.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tony & Jackie
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 9:20 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel

Tommy,
I assume you meant 1998?  The 12 valve engines were replaced with the
24 valve in early '99.

I drove a 1991 Dodge Cummins 4x4 for a couple years back in
2001-2002.  LOVED the engine but HATED the truck.  Dodge's build
quality left alot to be desired IMO.  I think they have gotten better
since 1991 though.  I would love to find an old 70's or 80's Chevy 1
ton 4x4 to throw a 12 valve Cummins in with a 5 speed NV-4500 behind
it.  THAT would be the ultimate truck IMO.

But then again I'm a diesel nut and a truck driver... I LOVE the loud
smokey clatter!

-Tony



At 10:24 AM 1/1/2009, you wrote:
>My Dodge is a 2008 model.  It was built the last month of the 12 valve
>series. While its a bit louder than a gas, its not so bad that I've ever
had
>any problem like you describe.  The newer 5.9's are about as quiet as a gas
>engine.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY


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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Sat Jan  3 08:38:18 2009
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:38:18 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note of
	warningregardinglubrication
Message-ID: <bcd.43941039.3690ee7a@aol.com>

 
Hi Elden,
Someone else might know about Cadillac as I have never  owned one and don't 
know.
 
If memory serves, the 7X engine was available through  any Hudson dealer but 
was special order.  That made it available to NASCAR  drivers as it was 
"stock."  Hudson managed to win most NASCAR races during  51, 52 and 53.  The Olds 
V8 was faster on the straights but the Hudsons  would either pass or push the 
Olds off the track on the turns.  It was fun  to watch.
 
Ron
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2009 9:29:55 AM Central Standard Time,  
edurand at mchsi.com writes:

Ron:

I guess my buddy's '54 Hornet had the 7X because as far as  I know, it came 
from the factory with the options.

Didn't Cadillac also  have the "center line" system for a year or two around 
'50?

Take care -  Elden
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Jan  3 11:33:05 2009
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:33:05 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note of
	warningregardinglubrication
Message-ID: <be2.3fc44479.36911771@aol.com>

Elden,
When you are referring to "center line" steering, do you mean the  tie rods 
are equal in length and being controlled from the center steering  arm?  If so, 
General Motor used this system in several of their automobiles  in the late 
30s to the early 50s.   Some models of Packard also used  this "center line" 
steering system.
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2009 7:29:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
edurand at mchsi.com writes:

Didn't  Cadillac also have the "center line" system for a year or two around 
'50?  

Francis  Maciel
514 E. Taft Street
Santa Maria, CA  93454


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From mgomaize at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 13:13:56 2009
From: mgomaize at yahoo.com (Tony Pitts)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:13:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] United Type A Ignitor Question
Message-ID: <373183.87136.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello,

I have a 2HP United Type A on which the ignitor trip mechanism doe not work properly.  It will not reset on its own to a firing position.  I can manually move the ignitor and it will work.  If I attach a spring to from the mechanism to either post nearby, it seems to pull it too far to work as well.  I know I'm not describing this well, but I am hoping someone can help.  I have posted pictures on Flickr at:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgomaize/sets/72157612118856538/

Am I missing a specialized spring or some other part?  

Thanks,

Tony

 --------------------------------------------
Tony Pitts 
Ann Arbor, MI 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pitts/mbf 
--------------------------------------------
Hudson Mills Old Power Club
18th Annual Show June 5-6, 2009
Dexter, MI
http://www.hudsonmills.org
--------------------------------------------
Washtenaw Baseball Club
U11 Boys Travel Baseball
www.washtenawbaseball.com
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jan  3 15:12:18 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:12:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note
	ofwarningregardinglubrication
In-Reply-To: <be2.3fc44479.36911771@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEJMHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Francis:

"Center Line Steering" didn't have anything to do with the tie rod(s).  What it was had to do with the location of the kingpins, which were at the centerline of the tires.  If you had a blowout, uneven brakes, etc. the car wouldn't swerve so badly.

To do this, the wheels had to be dished quite a bit.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> FRM8198 at aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 01:33 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note
> ofwarningregardinglubrication
> 
> 
> Elden,
> When you are referring to "center line" steering, 
> do you mean the  tie rods 
> are equal in length and being controlled from the 
> center steering  arm?  If so, 
> General Motor used this system in several of 
> their automobiles  in the late 
> 30s to the early 50s.   Some models of Packard 
> also used  this "center line" 
> steering system.
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/3/2009 7:29:55 A.M. Pacific 
> Standard Time,  
> edurand at mchsi.com writes:
> 
> Didn't  Cadillac also have the "center line" 
> system for a year or two around 
> '50?  
> 
> Francis  Maciel
> 514 E. Taft Street
> Santa Maria, CA  93454




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Jan  3 16:26:42 2009
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:26:42 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note
	ofwarningregardinglubrication
Message-ID: <cf9.4bddd01d.36915c42@aol.com>

Thanks for the enlightment.
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2009 2:19:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
edurand at mchsi.com writes:

"Center  Line Steering" didn't have anything to do with the tie rod(s).   

Francis


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From kimmell at verizon.net  Sat Jan  3 20:04:56 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:04:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive.
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W21C0AD8C147AA6B2546E3BCBE30@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-W21C0AD8C147AA6B2546E3BCBE30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0KCX003W1HYU8ZZ4@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>

At 08:59 PM 1/2/2009, Bruce Younger wrote:
>with engines with timing belts it's best to use
>first or reverse, whichever would be appropriate for the direction 
>the car would roll if
>it could.  Turning a timing belt engine backwards can cause all 
>sorts of mayhem.


Bruce,
What exactly could happen by turning a timing belt engine 
backwards?  I've never heard of this.  Doesn't compute in my head 
what could possibly happen :-)

-Tony



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sat Jan  3 21:07:40 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:07:40 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive.
In-Reply-To: <0KCX003W1HYU8ZZ4@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20090104050738.60E8C30284E@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi Tony, I don't know the resulting damage if any,but it will make the belt
push the cam gear father than pull it.If the idler isn't taught it would
make the belt jump timing. Jimmy
Jim O'Hagan
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From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tony & Jackie
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:05 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive.

At 08:59 PM 1/2/2009, Bruce Younger wrote:
>with engines with timing belts it's best to use
>first or reverse, whichever would be appropriate for the direction 
>the car would roll if
>it could.  Turning a timing belt engine backwards can cause all 
>sorts of mayhem.


Bruce,
What exactly could happen by turning a timing belt engine 
backwards?  I've never heard of this.  Doesn't compute in my head 
what could possibly happen :-)

-Tony

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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Jan  3 22:28:39 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 17:28:39 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moline Pump Company Engines
Message-ID: <20450DE231404BE595A8EBA8D6245B34@peterlowe>

Hi all

One for the Gurus of both Lists:

Does anyone know anything about the Moline Pump Company's history circa 1907 making a range of gasoline engines 12hp - 20hp??

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jan  4 06:58:58 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:58:58 EST
Subject: [SEL] United Type A Ignitor Question
Message-ID: <d67.3c0c7ad0.369228b2@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/3/2009 4:19:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
mgomaize at yahoo.com writes:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgomaize/sets/72157612118856538/


Tony,
 
Yes, it appears that you are missing a spring, and maybe a spring post.  
There should be a small "return" spring between the large left hand post and a  
small post below the large coil spring.  There are two movable parts on the  
ignitor.  The cocking lever one with the large spring attached, and the  smaller 
points lever behind it.  This is the one that needs the  spring.  I have sent 
you a photo off list of what it should look like.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
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From mrengine at comcast.net  Sun Jan  4 08:33:45 2009
From: mrengine at comcast.net (mrengine at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:33:45 +0000
Subject: [SEL] United Type A Ignitor Question
Message-ID: <010420091633.10465.4960E4E9000982A0000028E122070009530A020709020A9D03@comcast.net>

You are missing the spring. Fine looking engine. Frank

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Tony Pitts <mgomaize at yahoo.com> 

> Hello, 
> 
> I have a 2HP United Type A on which the ignitor trip mechanism doe not work 
> properly. It will not reset on its own to a firing position. I can manually 
> move the ignitor and it will work. If I attach a spring to from the mechanism 
> to either post nearby, it seems to pull it too far to work as well. I know I'm 
> not describing this well, but I am hoping someone can help. I have posted 
> pictures on Flickr at: 
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgomaize/sets/72157612118856538/ 
> 
> Am I missing a specialized spring or some other part? 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Tony 
> 
> -------------------------------------------- 
> Tony Pitts 
> Ann Arbor, MI 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pitts/mbf 
> -------------------------------------------- 
> Hudson Mills Old Power Club 
> 18th Annual Show June 5-6, 2009 
> Dexter, MI 
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From george at irontrader.com  Sun Jan  4 14:42:23 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (George Best)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:42:23 -0800
Subject: [SEL] European Hell On Wheels Tour 2009
In-Reply-To: <53080.96487.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <53080.96487.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c96ebd$b6504d00$22f0e700$@com>

In 2007, I took four collectors with me and we joined my friend Harry who
lives in Holland. We had a 10 day tour which included the Nuenen engine show
as well as visited somewhere between 22 to 24 engine collections of which
almost all where private collections. We visited collections in Holland,
Germany, Belgium, and Switzerland.

On the last tour, Lauren Langdon, Wayne Thackery, Buzz Stetler, and Les
Layton went with me. If you've talked to any of these guys after the tour
I'm sure they had nothing but good things to say about the quality of the
engines we saw.

I've been hesitant about offering to lead another tour group as the first
one went so well and would be impossible to ever duplicate. Plus the group
fit so well together as we all knew each other and had traveled together.

Originally I was thinking that this year Harry and I would just attend the
Nuenen show and then travel together and try to visit some new collections.
However, Harry asked me yesterday what I thought about doing a tour group
again.

I'm somewhat open to doing a tour again if we can get 4 guys that travel as
well as the last group.

This is NOT a Wendel's engine tour! This is a hard core hell on wheels tour,
which means a lot of traveling and a lot of collections crammed into a short
period of time. We rented a 9 passenger van which worked out great for 6
guys to travel in, so no big tour bus.

I have no idea which collections we will visit this year. I know that we'll
revisit some of our favorite collections we saw in 2007, plus revisit some
collections from prior trips Harry and I have made, plus try to add some new
collections that none of us has seen yet.

If you're interested in this type of a tour, let me know. No guarantee that
we'll do a tour group, just wondering who would want to go and if there is
enough interest.

George



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 02:34:42 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:34:42 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Pincor SS2856 240V/12V Gennys
Message-ID: <6f6025160901050234u63b01019r7fd8131784b024d7@mail.gmail.com>

Just picked up a couple of these on ebay, and got them home last week
after a friend collected them from Wales for me.

Initially we thought that these would be BSA generators like we
already have (5 of them!) but after finding a label on the side, we
can advise as follows:

"Pincor BD-12A"
"Power Unit DC/AC 250Watts No1 (American) 1A"
"Pincor Specification SS2856 1942"

These are indeed dual-voltage 240V AC and 12V battery starting/charging.

A previous thread here:

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15847

is another owner that found one of these units, but no responses at that time.

One of our two is complete, the other is missing some parts. The
unusual feature of these is the additional external flywheel which is
bolted to the existing cooling fan/flywheel.

Kevin Armstrong is showing one that he owns/owned here:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/POWER%20UNIT.htm

I'll get some pictures up as soon as I can.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Jan  5 07:40:11 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:40:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] First engine of the year!
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081231194912.00be3628@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
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My first new engine of the year arrived yesterday afternoon.

The 18hp Stover portable engine I traded for last month (or was it
November?), finally arrived.  Originally it was supposed to be delivered
before Christmas, but winter storms and various problems delayed its
arrival until yesterday.

As a fitting end to its journey across the country, it started snowing
just as the guy pulled in with the trailer and engine.  We unloaded it
while it was snowing and there was still some daylight, plus the guy had
another delivery to make in the evening.

The engine is now sitting inside my barn and it is the biggest engine
that I've owned.  Big 55" flywheels that are over 4" wide.  Don't know
what the whole thing weighs, but it is heavy.

Hope to get it running next weekend, unless I can wait and have to give
it a try some evening after work this week.


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From wayne at lorenssanitation.com  Mon Jan  5 08:09:51 2009
From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:09:51 -0800
Subject: [SEL] First engine of the year!
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George, congratulations on the new addition to the family! Will we see it at
Brooks next year?

Wayne A Thackery
Keizer, Oregon



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My first new engine of the year arrived yesterday afternoon.

The 18hp Stover portable engine I traded for last month (or was it
November?), finally arrived.  Originally it was supposed to be delivered
before Christmas, but winter storms and various problems delayed its
arrival until yesterday.

As a fitting end to its journey across the country, it started snowing
just as the guy pulled in with the trailer and engine.  We unloaded it
while it was snowing and there was still some daylight, plus the guy had
another delivery to make in the evening.

The engine is now sitting inside my barn and it is the biggest engine
that I've owned.  Big 55" flywheels that are over 4" wide.  Don't know
what the whole thing weighs, but it is heavy.

Hope to get it running next weekend, unless I can wait and have to give
it a try some evening after work this week.


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From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Jan  5 08:29:50 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:29:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] First engine of the year!
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References: <mailman.1.1230742802.23795.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com><5.2.1.1.2.20081231194912.00be3628@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059096C1683@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
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Next year!????

What about this year!!

Actually, I have no idea on what I'll show this year at Brooks.

I've got the 1910 Ceres engine that I had at Nuenen in 2007 which hasn't
been shown here.
I've got the 18hp Stover which I just got.
In March I go get the 12hp Ingeco.  (Don't know if yours is still at
Brooks or if you took it home)

Plus I've got a few others I haven't shown at Brooks.

I'm just a small collector compared to you big time collectors, so can
only show a couple engines at a time or I'll run out of fresh things to
show ;-)

Interested in another EHOWT? ;-)

gEORGE

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Subject: Re: [SEL] First engine of the year!

George, congratulations on the new addition to the family! Will we see
it at
Brooks next year?

Wayne A Thackery
Keizer, Oregon



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From wayne at lorenssanitation.com  Mon Jan  5 09:19:32 2009
From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:19:32 -0800
Subject: [SEL] First engine of the year!
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George, if you want to look at the Ingeco, I did take it home but come on
by. I figured you would show the Ceres this year as Bert said he would have
the oiler for you when you go to Europe on your EHOWT! I would love to go
again but after buying the slide valve this past year I need to fatten up
the piggy first. 

I will have to say that anyone thinking of going to Europe to look at
engines and take in the show should take advantage of this trip that George
and Harry are thinking of putting together! You will absolutely see the best
of the best......and will be treated with the finest hospitality you will
every get anywhere! I ate more the first day their, than I had eaten in the
previous week. People are vary friendly and helpful and go out of there way
to show off there collections. Don't let George scare you when he says Hell
on Wheels, as it isn't that bad. You're up early and in bed late.....I do
the same thing here at home! If you don't enjoy yourself and have a good
time, then it's your own fault. I would recommend exchanging your money
before you go, as we had one of us that had trouble with his credit card.
Europe is not the place to discover that your card won't work in the ATM
machines! I would also recommend that George and Harry include the Museum in
Cologne, Germany as one of their stops. We were about 11 mile from there
after visiting the Otto Museum but did not have time to visit with our tight
schedule. I think we could have fitted it in, if Les wouldn't have wanted to
go visit the Red Light District in Amsterdam!! 

Wayne A Thackery
Keizer, Oregon 


    

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[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:30 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] First engine of the year!

Next year!????

What about this year!!

Actually, I have no idea on what I'll show this year at Brooks.

I've got the 1910 Ceres engine that I had at Nuenen in 2007 which hasn't
been shown here.
I've got the 18hp Stover which I just got.
In March I go get the 12hp Ingeco.  (Don't know if yours is still at
Brooks or if you took it home)

Plus I've got a few others I haven't shown at Brooks.

I'm just a small collector compared to you big time collectors, so can
only show a couple engines at a time or I'll run out of fresh things to
show ;-)

Interested in another EHOWT? ;-)

gEORGE

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[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
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Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:10 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] First engine of the year!

George, congratulations on the new addition to the family! Will we see
it at
Brooks next year?

Wayne A Thackery
Keizer, Oregon



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From gastzt at aol.com  Mon Jan  5 09:59:40 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:59:40 EST
Subject: [SEL] First engine of the year!
Message-ID: <d59.364ec6a2.3693a48c@aol.com>

WOW- I would LOVE to see that one!  I have a 8hp Stover  that I just got 
finished up--have not started it yet---can't wait!  Good  luck with your new 
arrival----
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Jan  5 13:45:51 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 08:45:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Tommy_Turner=27s_address?=
Message-ID: <E7A59CF99A4548A2964DBD93DAE797B4@peterlowe>

Hi Tommy 

Are you out there, come back to me off list I need your email address, we have some talking to do !!
plowe at exemail.com.au

Regards
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From GRookus2 at comcast.net  Mon Jan  5 16:55:03 2009
From: GRookus2 at comcast.net (Gary Rookus)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:55:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] first engine of the year
Message-ID: <606656588D8C45D19CC5EC9202B4F151@gary>

it was delivered friday,and nothing as spectacularas a 18hp stover.i recveived my little 10 inch flywheel ideal.i was very pleased with it. thanks to alec stevens for the fast service,another trust worthy eng. man this sure is a great hobby

From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jan  5 20:22:49 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:22:49 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
Message-ID: <20090105.202250.2036.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  
I am trying to make an old telephone generator/magneto function.  The
problem is the threads that attach the crank handle.  The outside
diameter of the threads is .267", and the threads measure 24 per inch. 
What in the world is this?
The only markings on it are the number 48A and "PATD in USA July 1894.
Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Mon Jan  5 21:43:36 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:43:36 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <20090105.202250.2036.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090105.202250.2036.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4962EF88.8010600@rustic-engines.com>

5/16" 24tpi UNF ?????????

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> Hi all.  
> I am trying to make an old telephone generator/magneto function.  The
> problem is the threads that attach the crank handle.  The outside
> diameter of the threads is .267", and the threads measure 24 per inch. 
> What in the world is this?
> The only markings on it are the number 48A and "PATD in USA July 1894.
> Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jan  5 22:22:30 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:22:30 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
Message-ID: <20090105.222230.2036.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Al.  But the last time I checked 5/16 was .3125"
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:43:36 +1100 Al Harris
<al.harris at rustic-engines.com> writes:
> 5/16" 24tpi UNF ?????????
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Al Harris
> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz
> 
> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Mon Jan  5 22:55:30 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:55:30 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <20090105.222230.2036.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090105.222230.2036.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <49630062.6060808@rustic-engines.com>

Are we talking male thread on the shaft of the magneto that you have to 
screw a RH threaded handle on to, to turn the magneto to go ring-ring? :-)

If so, I reckon a handle with a 5/16" 24tpi UNF female thread would do 
the job.

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> Thanks Al.  But the last time I checked 5/16 was .3125"
>  
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
>
> On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:43:36 +1100 Al Harris
> <al.harris at rustic-engines.com> writes:
>   
>> 5/16" 24tpi UNF ?????????
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Al Harris
>> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>>
>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
>>     
>
>   


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Jan  6 01:56:25 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:56:25 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
References: <20090105.202250.2036.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <E522A4DD11A2498A824FBC02B23C3726@your9e74d7efa7>

Maybe Ron ,allowing for a slight error in measurement you could be looking 
at``Cycle Engineers Institute[CEI] threads.Major diam .266 x26 TPI. .Then 
again it could be Swiss or Thury screw thread ,No -1 , major diam .268 x 
22.85 TPI.Sorry no definate explanation ,obviously used in instrument making
Closest SAE thread is 1/4 ,which is .250x20 TPI* or 28 TPI* .
Maybe you are looking at a 5/16thx24 TPI NF * thread
Note the * indicates that these threads are what was known as SAE 
Aeronautical  Standard .This makes sense in your case but the date of the 
instrument throws me somewhat!
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] Thread question


> Hi all.
> I am trying to make an old telephone generator/magneto function.  The
> problem is the threads that attach the crank handle.  The outside
> diameter of the threads is .267", and the threads measure 24 per inch.
> What in the world is this?
> The only markings on it are the number 48A and "PATD in USA July 1894.
> Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 02:12:46 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:12:46 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <20090105.202250.2036.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090105.202250.2036.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901060212u4f6f72dcn6b862b3c2ba09bcc@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/01/2009, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> Hi all.
> I am trying to make an old telephone generator/magneto function.  The
> problem is the threads that attach the crank handle.  The outside
> diameter of the threads is .267", and the threads measure 24 per inch.
> What in the world is this?
> The only markings on it are the number 48A and "PATD in USA July 1894.
> Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell

0.266" X 26tpi is a standard cycle thread, and there are various
speciality threads with 24tpi, such as Admiralty Fine, where all
threads under 1/2" are 24tpi, but I cannot see anyone in the USA using
a British thread standard!

There is an ASME 0.268" diameter X 22tpi as well.

Thread charts etc at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Tables/Mech1.htm
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Tables/Mech1.htm

Peter
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jan  6 02:32:47 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:32:47 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
References: <20090105.202250.2036.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<E522A4DD11A2498A824FBC02B23C3726@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <109367B178524A64B0638E154005A36B@peterlowe>

Hi Ron
The 48A is probably a Northern Electric or Western Electric Magneto.
How many magnets does it have Ron, is it a 5 bar?.
Do you have thread guages, every good engine man has them !!!!!
I have sent an email to a telephone group for you.

Regards
Peter, Oz



> 
>> Hi all.
>> I am trying to make an old telephone generator/magneto function.  The
>> problem is the threads that attach the crank handle.  The outside
>> diameter of the threads is .267", and the threads measure 24 per inch.
>> What in the world is this?
>> The only markings on it are the number 48A and "PATD in USA July 1894.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Ron Haskell




From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  6 06:11:06 2009
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:11:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <109367B178524A64B0638E154005A36B@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <72421.90763.qm@web31503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The 48A is a VERY common Western Electric, and the thread for the crank is 9/32 x 24, the tap is available from MSC, item #04840815.
Joe
Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
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--- On Tue, 1/6/09, Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au> wrote:

> From: Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thread question
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 4:32 AM
> Hi Ron
> The 48A is probably a Northern Electric or Western Electric
> Magneto.
> How many magnets does it have Ron, is it a 5 bar?.
> Do you have thread guages, every good engine man has them
> !!!!!
> I have sent an email to a telephone group for you.
> 
> Regards
> Peter, Oz
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> >> Hi all.
> >> I am trying to make an old telephone
> generator/magneto function.  The
> >> problem is the threads that attach the crank
> handle.  The outside
> >> diameter of the threads is .267", and the
> threads measure 24 per inch.
> >> What in the world is this?
> >> The only markings on it are the number 48A and
> "PATD in USA July 1894.
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Ron Haskell
> 
> 
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Jan  6 08:36:15 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 08:36:15 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
Message-ID: <20090106.083615.1232.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 I want to thank all who replied to my question, and will make one reply.
 Al Harris:  a 5/16 x 24 nut slips over the threads without touching. 
Peter O:  I am sure of the 24 tpi and other measurements, and it does
have 5 magnets.  Peter F:  Thanks for the tables.  And I think the winner
is:  Joe Prindle.  I will see if I can find that unusual tap locally, or
order it.  Thanks to all again.

On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:11:06 -0800 (PST) Joe Prindle
<joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> writes:
> The 48A is a VERY common Western Electric, and the thread for the 
> crank is 9/32 x 24, the tap is available from MSC, item #04840815.
> Joe
> Joe Prindle
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From jmackess at twcny.rr.com  Tue Jan  6 09:57:23 2009
From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:57:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
References: <20090105.202250.2036.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c97028$3cf483b0$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04>

Yup. That's a 5-bar Western or Northern Electric from the first few decades
of the twentieth century, when the old Seller's thread system was still
used. I've see this thread on gauge screws, and although I can't find the
right old handbook at the moment, I believe it's in the number series and is
something like a 13 or 14-24. I'll dig later and try to find a chart. Gun
makers, typewriter makers, sewing machine makers all loved using these
"bastard" threads to confound the average repairman.
Jim Mackessy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] Thread question


> Hi all.
> I am trying to make an old telephone generator/magneto function.  The
> problem is the threads that attach the crank handle.  The outside
> diameter of the threads is .267", and the threads measure 24 per inch.
> What in the world is this?
> The only markings on it are the number 48A and "PATD in USA July 1894.
> Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Jan  6 09:55:02 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:55:02 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <20090105.222230.2036.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20090106175459.8BA654C8CC6@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Rod ,Is this one of those diabolical science class toys? Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 10:23 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Thread question

Thanks Al.  But the last time I checked 5/16 was .3125"
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:43:36 +1100 Al Harris
<al.harris at rustic-engines.com> writes:
> 5/16" 24tpi UNF ?????????
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Al Harris
> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz
> 
> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Jan  6 11:17:28 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:17:28 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
Message-ID: <20090106.111728.648.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>



 Yes it is Jim.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:55:02 -0800 "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
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> O'Hagan
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jan  6 12:44:18 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:44:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <20090106.083615.1232.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090106.083615.1232.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <a5ee851e30899c80dc58c3b88a9135c7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Just one word of caution...  If you order anything from MSC, make DAMN certain that
you know what the shipping & handling charge will be BEFORE you submit your order.
They are the WORST that I've ever dealt with.  Your little 9/32 x 24 tap might end
up costing you $30 S&H!

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, January 6, 2009 11:36 am, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> And I think the winner
> is:  Joe Prindle.  I will see if I can find that unusual tap locally, or
> order it.  Thanks to all again.
>
> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:11:06 -0800 (PST) Joe Prindle
> <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> writes:
>> The 48A is a VERY common Western Electric, and the thread for the
>> crank is 9/32 x 24, the tap is available from MSC, item #04840815.




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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Jan  6 13:37:38 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 06:37:38 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
References: <20090106.083615.1232.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <256D54DFC4794B80BD953DC0EF4FCE36@your9e74d7efa7>

And the winner is Joe Pridle.......come on down Joe, congratulations!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:36 AM
Subject: [SEL] Thread question


> I want to thank all who replied to my question, and will make one reply.
> Al Harris:  a 5/16 x 24 nut slips over the threads without touching.
> Peter O:  I am sure of the 24 tpi and other measurements, and it does
> have 5 magnets.  Peter F:  Thanks for the tables.  And I think the winner
> is:  Joe Prindle.  I will see if I can find that unusual tap locally, or
> order it.  Thanks to all again.
>
> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:11:06 -0800 (PST) Joe Prindle
> <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> writes:
>> The 48A is a VERY common Western Electric, and the thread for the
>> crank is 9/32 x 24, the tap is available from MSC, item #04840815.
>> Joe
>> Joe Prindle
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Tue Jan  6 14:52:45 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:52:45 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <20090106.083615.1232.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090106.083615.1232.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4963E0BD.6070006@rustic-engines.com>

Duh, fellas/guys/sheilas/gals,

next time I do a measurement on a UNF die (5/16" 24tpi), please remind 
me to measure the inner of the cutting threads, not the outer (.26").

The second part of dumb,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
>  I want to thank all who replied to my question, and will make one reply.
>  Al Harris:  a 5/16 x 24 nut slips over the threads without touching. 
> Peter O:  I am sure of the 24 tpi and other measurements, and it does
> have 5 magnets.  Peter F:  Thanks for the tables.  And I think the winner
> is:  Joe Prindle.  I will see if I can find that unusual tap locally, or
> order it.  Thanks to all again.
>
> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:11:06 -0800 (PST) Joe Prindle
> <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> writes:
>   
>> The 48A is a VERY common Western Electric, and the thread for the 
>> crank is 9/32 x 24, the tap is available from MSC, item #04840815.
>> Joe
>> Joe Prindle
>>     
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From bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com  Tue Jan  6 17:48:32 2009
From: bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com (Bob Matthews)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:48:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <a5ee851e30899c80dc58c3b88a9135c7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <20090106.083615.1232.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<a5ee851e30899c80dc58c3b88a9135c7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <496409F0.8080701@matthewsfarm.com>

I just had a similar experience with McMaster-Carr

<< Bob Matthews, NW Ohio >>

Arnie Fero wrote:
> Just one word of caution...  If you order anything from MSC, make DAMN certain that
> you know what the shipping & handling charge will be BEFORE you submit your order.
> They are the WORST that I've ever dealt with.  Your little 9/32 x 24 tap might end
> up costing you $30 S&H!
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> On Tue, January 6, 2009 11:36 am, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
>> And I think the winner
>> is:  Joe Prindle.  I will see if I can find that unusual tap locally, or
>> order it.  Thanks to all again.
>>
>> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:11:06 -0800 (PST) Joe Prindle
>> <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> writes:
>>> The 48A is a VERY common Western Electric, and the thread for the
>>> crank is 9/32 x 24, the tap is available from MSC, item #04840815.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---------
> 

-- 


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Jan  6 17:46:37 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:46:37 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
Message-ID: <20090106.174638.648.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 Thanks for the warning Arnie.
One look at the price of $19+ made me take another approach.  I drilled
out a 1/4 28 nut, took an old broken tap and ground to use as a single
point on the lathe, just a few minutes and I had my custom nut.
Thanks again for all who responded.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:44:18 -0500 (EST) "Arnie Fero"
<fero_ah at city-net.com> writes:
> Just one word of caution...  If you order anything from MSC, make 
> DAMN certain that
> you know what the shipping & handling charge will be BEFORE you 
> submit your order.
> They are the WORST that I've ever dealt with.  Your little 9/32 x 24 
> tap might end
> up costing you $30 S&H!
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
>
____________________________________________________________
Get a degree in computer sciences.  Find a school near you.
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1W3jgFAFwgYLFwQBuTcEwah2k3472jt6sn4r9pg3s8aRRuV/


From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Tue Jan  6 19:11:51 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 22:11:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
References: <20090106.174638.648.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <0a7e01c97075$afb02150$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

I suppose being in an industrial area I am spoiled.  We have six industrial 
supply houses in the area, the owner of one lives two doors down from me! 
We are also 60 miles from McMaster Carr. I've placed online orders at 9 pm 
from MMC and had the package at my door by 10 am the next morning.  I've 
always found that shipping is quite inexpensive but maybe thats because I'm 
in the same shipping zone.

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:46 PM
Subject: [SEL] Thread question


> Thanks for the warning Arnie.
> One look at the price of $19+ made me take another approach.  I drilled
> out a 1/4 28 nut, took an old broken tap and ground to use as a single
> point on the lathe, just a few minutes and I had my custom nut.
> Thanks again for all who responded.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
>
> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:44:18 -0500 (EST) "Arnie Fero"
> <fero_ah at city-net.com> writes:
>> Just one word of caution...  If you order anything from MSC, make
>> DAMN certain that
>> you know what the shipping & handling charge will be BEFORE you
>> submit your order.
>> They are the WORST that I've ever dealt with.  Your little 9/32 x 24
>> tap might end
>> up costing you $30 S&H!
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
> ____________________________________________________________
> Get a degree in computer sciences.  Find a school near you.
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1W3jgFAFwgYLFwQBuTcEwah2k3472jt6sn4r9pg3s8aRRuV/
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Tue Jan  6 19:26:11 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:26:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <0a7e01c97075$afb02150$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <20090106.174638.648.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<0a7e01c97075$afb02150$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <0KD300DZS067PN09@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>

I just picked up a part from McMaster today as a matter of 
fact.  Nice being able to just walk right in and not deal with 
shipping!  There's also a Grainger in the area as well.

-Tony

At 09:11 PM 1/6/2009, you wrote:
>I suppose being in an industrial area I am spoiled.  We have six industrial
>supply houses in the area, the owner of one lives two doors down from me!
>We are also 60 miles from McMaster Carr. I've placed online orders at 9 pm
>from MMC and had the package at my door by 10 am the next morning.  I've
>always found that shipping is quite inexpensive but maybe thats because I'm
>in the same shipping zone.
>
>Rick




From falcon at telenet.net  Tue Jan  6 21:31:39 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:31:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
Message-ID: <49643E3B.3010000@telenet.net>

http://www.geocities.com/loudgpz/GPZheiModForPoints.html

Be sure to look at the preceding page as well. Plans on there for many
interesting ignition items...

-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jan  6 22:46:14 2009
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 22:46:14 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <a5ee851e30899c80dc58c3b88a9135c7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <20090106.083615.1232.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<a5ee851e30899c80dc58c3b88a9135c7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <87B0988C-13B3-4C26-8536-4CD668609EF0@rustyiron.com>


On Jan 6, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Just one word of caution...  If you order anything from MSC, make  
> DAMN certain that
> you know what the shipping & handling charge will be BEFORE you  
> submit your order.
> They are the WORST that I've ever dealt with.  Your little 9/32 x 24  
> tap might end
> up costing you $30 S&H!


WTF are you talking about?

























From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jan  7 07:33:20 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:33:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <0a7e01c97075$afb02150$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEMPHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Rick:

McMaster is my supplier of choice.  They don't care whether it's an order for one little part or a truckload.  They have virtually EVERYTHING in stock and they get it out the door in hours!  They must be a HUGE operation......AND....they're run right.

I ordered a varied lot of cast iron bar stock, thick walled pipe, carbide inserts, shim stock, bolts, sanding belts on Saturday.  All but the sanding belts arrived yesterday (Tuesday).  They were shipped from Chicago and will most likely be here today.

Most times, if I can get my web order into them by 10 am, I get the shipment the next day and their nearest warehouse is in Atlanta which is several hundred miles away.

This sounds like a commercial but I've been ordering stuff from electronic and industrial suppliers for many years and McMaster has 'em all beat.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Tod Engine
> Foundation
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 09:12 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thread question
> 
> 
> I suppose being in an industrial area I am 
> spoiled.  We have six industrial 
> supply houses in the area, the owner of one lives 
> two doors down from me! 
> We are also 60 miles from McMaster Carr. I've 
> placed online orders at 9 pm 
> from MMC and had the package at my door by 10 am 
> the next morning.  I've 
> always found that shipping is quite inexpensive 
> but maybe thats because I'm 
> in the same shipping zone.
> 
> Rick




From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jan  7 07:51:54 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:51:54 -0600
Subject: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
In-Reply-To: <49643E3B.3010000@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEMPHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Steve:

That is an interesting website.  I do think that for our purposes (low speed engines without battery recharging means), the HEI modules are overkill.

I designed and used to sell solid-state ignition systems for old engines.  It used either a Hall-Effect transistor and magnet for the pickup or a simple set of contacts.  You could select the triggering mode between when the points opened and when they closed.  On the last model, there was even an RPM limiter.  The unit was totally self contained, including the battery, charger and coil.

My system would run an engine at 1,000 RPM for nearly 100 hours between chargings.

Unfortunately, they didn't sell well and I got out of the business before I got too far into the hole.  I still use my ignitions on all my engines and occasionally see one in use at shows.

As a service to the hobby, I -may- offer the schematic and parts list for a simplified version of this system if anyone's interested.  I also still have a supply of the bare circuit boards for the full-featured version.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Steve W.
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:32 PM
> To: ATIS LIST; Engine list
> Subject: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
> 
> 
> http://www.geocities.com/loudgpz/GPZheiModForPoints.html
> 
> Be sure to look at the preceding page as well. 
> Plans on there for many
> interesting ignition items...
> 
> -- 
> Steve W.




From langer5 at sympatico.ca  Wed Jan  7 08:58:40 2009
From: langer5 at sympatico.ca (Larry Anger)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:58:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEMPHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP38E33D21558157E2D2C2CC97DF0@phx.gbl>

Eldon - I looked at your system on your Butt-Buggy at Portland a number of 
years ago (I think it was Portland) and was going to order one from you and 
then you announced the termination of the business. (oh darn). If you do 
offer something in the future I would jump right to the front of the line if 
it was simple enough for me to build. It was sure a nice system.

Larry Anger
163926 Brownsville Rd.
R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario
Canada N4G 4G8
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] replacement ignition designs


> Steve:
>
> That is an interesting website.  I do think that for our purposes (low 
> speed engines without battery recharging means), the HEI modules are 
> overkill.
>
> I designed and used to sell solid-state ignition systems for old engines. 
> It used either a Hall-Effect transistor and magnet for the pickup or a 
> simple set of contacts.  You could select the triggering mode between when 
> the points opened and when they closed.  On the last model, there was even 
> an RPM limiter.  The unit was totally self contained, including the 
> battery, charger and coil.
>
> My system would run an engine at 1,000 RPM for nearly 100 hours between 
> chargings.
>
> Unfortunately, they didn't sell well and I got out of the business before 
> I got too far into the hole.  I still use my ignitions on all my engines 
> and occasionally see one in use at shows.
>
> As a service to the hobby, I -may- offer the schematic and parts list for 
> a simplified version of this system if anyone's interested.  I also still 
> have a supply of the bare circuit boards for the full-featured version.
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Steve W.
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:32 PM
>> To: ATIS LIST; Engine list
>> Subject: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
>>
>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/loudgpz/GPZheiModForPoints.html
>>
>> Be sure to look at the preceding page as well.
>> Plans on there for many
>> interesting ignition items...
>>
>> -- 
>> Steve W.
>
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jan  7 10:40:09 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:40:09 -0600
Subject: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP38E33D21558157E2D2C2CC97DF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGENDHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Larry:

Thanks for your comments!  If just a few more of you had purchased my ignitions, I'd probably still have 'em on the market.

I'll keep you advised of my plans.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Larry Anger
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:59 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
> 
> 
> Eldon - I looked at your system on your 
> Butt-Buggy at Portland a number of 
> years ago (I think it was Portland) and was going 
> to order one from you and 
> then you announced the termination of the 
> business. (oh darn). If you do 
> offer something in the future I would jump right 
> to the front of the line if 
> it was simple enough for me to build. It was sure 
> a nice system.
> 
> Larry Anger
> 163926 Brownsville Rd.
> R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario
> Canada N4G 4G8
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
> 
> 
> > Steve:
> >
> > That is an interesting website.  I do think 
> that for our purposes (low 
> > speed engines without battery recharging 
> means), the HEI modules are 
> > overkill.
> >
> > I designed and used to sell solid-state 
> ignition systems for old engines. 
> > It used either a Hall-Effect transistor and 
> magnet for the pickup or a 
> > simple set of contacts.  You could select the 
> triggering mode between when 
> > the points opened and when they closed.  On the 
> last model, there was even 
> > an RPM limiter.  The unit was totally self 
> contained, including the 
> > battery, charger and coil.
> >
> > My system would run an engine at 1,000 RPM for 
> nearly 100 hours between 
> > chargings.
> >
> > Unfortunately, they didn't sell well and I got 
> out of the business before 
> > I got too far into the hole.  I still use my 
> ignitions on all my engines 
> > and occasionally see one in use at shows.
> >
> > As a service to the hobby, I -may- offer the 
> schematic and parts list for 
> > a simplified version of this system if anyone's 
> interested.  I also still 
> > have a supply of the bare circuit boards for 
> the full-featured version.
> >
> > Take care - Elden
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand




From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Jan  7 09:52:31 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:52:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGENDHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP38E33D21558157E2D2C2CC97DF0@phx.gbl>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGENDHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059097A09EA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

Elden,

So how much is one of your ignitions?

I don't need one at the moment, but have thought at various times of
building an engine.  Of course I don't know where I'd find the time to
do it when I can't seem to finish all the original engines I have in
various states of non-running.

If the price was right, I'd take one cause you can always stock up for
future projects.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden
DuRand
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:40 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] replacement ignition designs

Larry:

Thanks for your comments!  If just a few more of you had purchased my
ignitions, I'd probably still have 'em on the market.

I'll keep you advised of my plans.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Larry Anger
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:59 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
> 
> 
> Eldon - I looked at your system on your 
> Butt-Buggy at Portland a number of 
> years ago (I think it was Portland) and was going 
> to order one from you and 
> then you announced the termination of the 
> business. (oh darn). If you do 
> offer something in the future I would jump right 
> to the front of the line if 
> it was simple enough for me to build. It was sure 
> a nice system.
> 
> Larry Anger
> 163926 Brownsville Rd.
> R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario
> Canada N4G 4G8
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
> 
> 
> > Steve:
> >
> > That is an interesting website.  I do think 
> that for our purposes (low 
> > speed engines without battery recharging 
> means), the HEI modules are 
> > overkill.
> >
> > I designed and used to sell solid-state 
> ignition systems for old engines. 
> > It used either a Hall-Effect transistor and 
> magnet for the pickup or a 
> > simple set of contacts.  You could select the 
> triggering mode between when 
> > the points opened and when they closed.  On the 
> last model, there was even 
> > an RPM limiter.  The unit was totally self 
> contained, including the 
> > battery, charger and coil.
> >
> > My system would run an engine at 1,000 RPM for 
> nearly 100 hours between 
> > chargings.
> >
> > Unfortunately, they didn't sell well and I got 
> out of the business before 
> > I got too far into the hole.  I still use my 
> ignitions on all my engines 
> > and occasionally see one in use at shows.
> >
> > As a service to the hobby, I -may- offer the 
> schematic and parts list for 
> > a simplified version of this system if anyone's 
> interested.  I also still 
> > have a supply of the bare circuit boards for 
> the full-featured version.
> >
> > Take care - Elden
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand


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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jan  7 11:14:50 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:14:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059097A09EA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKENFHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

George:

I'm sorry but you are about three years too late for one of the production models.

Stay tuned.  When I get a chance, I'll design a simplified version in a do-it-yourself kit.  I don't know if I want to go to the expense of having printed circuit boards made, so it may be a rat's nest configuration.  You supply the box, the battery, the coil and the labor and I supply the rest.

I'll have to experiment to see how long a lantern battery will last.  That would eliminate some up-front cost (gel-cell battery and charger).

Since I quit the business, I've designed several other versions of the ignition system.  Some of them are very simple, using only one chip and a MOSFET transistor and the other parts to make it work.  

I've always believed that you should be able to use just about any high tension coil for my systems and my ignitions will  successfully drive anything from a little dinky weedeater mag coil to a big old battery-type point-type coil.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Best,
> George
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:53 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
> 
> 
> Elden,
> 
> So how much is one of your ignitions?
> 
> I don't need one at the moment, but have thought 
> at various times of
> building an engine.  Of course I don't know where 
> I'd find the time to
> do it when I can't seem to finish all the 
> original engines I have in
> various states of non-running.
> 
> If the price was right, I'd take one cause you 
> can always stock up for
> future projects.
> 
> George




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jan  7 10:22:05 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:22:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEMPHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEMPHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <9330f0eb5182002fbc144176b9309395.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Elden,

On Wed, January 7, 2009 10:33 am, Elden DuRand wrote:
> Rick:
>
> McMaster is my supplier of choice.  They don't care whether it's an order for one
> little part or a truckload.  They have virtually EVERYTHING in stock and they get it
> out the door in hours!  They must be a HUGE operation......AND....they're run right.

Some day I NEED to visit one of their warehouses.  Just to see how they work.  They
REALLY are run right.

The other thing about how they've "raised the bar" in terms of customer expectations
is that when some other less efficient outfit says cheerfully, "You should receive
that item in four to six weeks."  My reaction now is more along the lines of "Fuck
off.  Cancel this order."

See ya,  Arnie




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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jan  8 02:31:14 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:31:14 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Pincor SS2856 240V/12V Gennys
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160901050234u63b01019r7fd8131784b024d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160901050234u63b01019r7fd8131784b024d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901080231t17971d81y89501add4785ba3@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/01/2009, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just picked up a couple of these on ebay, and got them home last week
> after a friend collected them from Wales for me.
>

Had the loan of an operating handbook and spares list from PT-E, this
one is for a Pioneer Gen-E-Motor unit, type BD-12-A. Originally built
for running Wireless Set No12:

http://home.planet.nl/~meuls003/gallery/ws12.html

It is identical to our own unit, so there must have been a few
manufacturers who were contracted to build these little units.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From curt at rustyiron.com  Thu Jan  8 14:00:59 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:00:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [SEL] Russell Farmer???
Message-ID: <59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Does anyone have an email address for OFES guru Russell Farmer?

Is he still doing the OFES registry? I'm redoing our old Cotton Ginning
Days club website and was going to add an email link to him for those
interested in oil field engines.

Curt Holland

P.S. The Cotton Ginning Days website link is still the same just spruced
up some.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/>
The old site was a wee bit boring (my first website), so hopefully this
will evolve into an improvement. Much work remains.





From clemsweller at etczone.com  Thu Jan  8 17:30:47 2009
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:30:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [QUARANTINE]  Russell Farmer???
In-Reply-To: <59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <005001c971f9$fa610ef0$ef232cd0$@com>

oilengine at embarqmail.com is the last email I have for Rusty!

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
curt at rustyiron.com
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:01 PM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [QUARANTINE] [SEL] Russell Farmer???

Does anyone have an email address for OFES guru Russell Farmer?

Is he still doing the OFES registry? I'm redoing our old Cotton Ginning
Days club website and was going to add an email link to him for those
interested in oil field engines.

Curt Holland

P.S. The Cotton Ginning Days website link is still the same just spruced
up some.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/>
The old site was a wee bit boring (my first website), so hopefully this
will evolve into an improvement. Much work remains.



_______________________________________________
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan  8 18:32:23 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:32:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
Message-ID: <E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>

Folks I gave my 11 year old grandson a Laptop Computer and he set it up with a password to get into it from the desktop. He has now forgot the password and cannot use the computer. Is there anyway around this without having to do a system recovery and wipe out the whole hard drive?

Thanks for any help or advice can give.

Paul

From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Jan  8 18:49:06 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:49:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
References: <E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
Message-ID: <DBC395CEBFE84F4A8BE6F16B945FED54@peterlowe>

Try here
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q321305
Peter




> Folks I gave my 11 year old grandson a Laptop Computer and he set it up 
> with a password to get into it from the desktop. He has now forgot the 
> password and cannot use the computer. Is there anyway around this without 
> having to do a system recovery and wipe out the whole hard drive?
>
> Thanks for any help or advice can give.
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From rolfb at accima.com  Thu Jan  8 18:54:39 2009
From: rolfb at accima.com (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:54:39 -0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
In-Reply-To: <E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
References: <E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
Message-ID: <4966BC6F.6010800@accima.com>

Paul - Not sure in your case, but years ago I had an old Toshiba laptop 
that had a password feature built into the BIOS.  It was possible defeat 
the password by jumpers into on the mother board.  If you have the 
manual, take a look, or maybe at the web site supporting your machine.


Just my $0.02.   Good Luck


Regards,


Bob R.
Moses Lake, WA, USA



paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Folks I gave my 11 year old grandson a Laptop Computer and he set it up with a password to get into it from the desktop. He has now forgot the password and cannot use the computer. Is there anyway around this without having to do a system recovery and wipe out the whole hard drive?
>
> Thanks for any help or advice can give.
>
> Paul
>
>   


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan  8 19:20:47 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:20:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Computer Problem Solved - Thanks
Message-ID: <12B7314385EC411E8A65C646A1389278@PAUL>

Thanks Peter and Bob for helping me with the problem. We found that by holding the F8 key down and then selecting the "Safe Mode" we were able to get into the "Administrator Account" and bypass the password. We are now getting rid of all of the passwords and I told my grandson I would kill him if he ever does this again....well I would not really kill him but he has stressed me out enough that inflicting harm on him crossed my mind, ha, ha.

Paul

From falcon at telenet.net  Thu Jan  8 19:29:03 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:29:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
In-Reply-To: <E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
References: <E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
Message-ID: <4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>

paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Folks I gave my 11 year old grandson a Laptop Computer and he set it
> up with a password to get into it from the desktop. He has now forgot
> the password and cannot use the computer. Is there anyway around this
> without having to do a system recovery and wipe out the whole hard
> drive?
> 
> Thanks for any help or advice can give.
> 
> Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list
>  SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

Paul, What OS does the machine have on it and when does he need to type
in the password?
If it's XP and the password he is typing in is the one on the welcome
screen,

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894902/


-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York


From kimmell at verizon.net  Thu Jan  8 23:16:33 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:16:33 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <9330f0eb5182002fbc144176b9309395.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEMPHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<9330f0eb5182002fbc144176b9309395.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <0KD700LF6066LF87@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>

At 12:22 PM 1/7/2009, you wrote:
>Some day I NEED to visit one of their warehouses.  Just to see how 
>they work.  They
>REALLY are run right.
>
>The other thing about how they've "raised the bar" in terms of 
>customer expectations
>is that when some other less efficient outfit says cheerfully, "You 
>should receive
>that item in four to six weeks."  My reaction now is more along the 
>lines of "Fuck
>off.  Cancel this order."
>
>See ya,  Arnie

Their Chicago warehouse is amazing.  No sooner do they pull the 
freight off my truck, then it's being picked apart by 2-3 guys who 
sort it onto different pallets depending what it is, then it's picked 
up by one of a dozen forklift trucks that constantly circle the 
building putting things into stock.  All this happens in less than 10 
minutes.  They have probably 20-25 people doing this all across the 
loading dock.  There are separate groups of people for the mailing, 
shipping, will call departments, etc.  I have no idea how many 
employees they have, but if it's less than 1,500 I'd be 
surprised.  It's hard to walk across the dock without having to dodge 
forklifts and utility cars running all over the place.

The place is run like an army base... very strict protocol 
everywhere.  It's a pain in my ass sometimes, but it seems to be 
working well for them.



From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jan  9 06:44:33 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 06:44:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
In-Reply-To: <4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>
References: <E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
	<4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <b6e5889e104229c5cfde6393d9dd11da@dickerson-design.com>

Don't you just love Microsoft security!?!
Hold a key, get in and remove password, the computer is yours! 
HAHAHA. No wonder it's so easy to hack MS systems.

Bill

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:29:03 -0500, "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net> wrote:
> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>> Folks I gave my 11 year old grandson a Laptop Computer and he set it
>> up with a password to get into it from the desktop. He has now forgot
>> the password and cannot use the computer. Is there anyway around this
>> without having to do a system recovery and wipe out the whole hard
>> drive?
>>
>> Thanks for any help or advice can give.
>>
>> Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list
>>  SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
> 
> Paul, What OS does the machine have on it and when does he need to type
> in the password?
> If it's XP and the password he is typing in is the one on the welcome
> screen,
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894902/
> 
> 
> --
> Steve W.
> Near Cooperstown, New York
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Jan  9 08:23:45 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:23:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP38E33D21558157E2D2C2CC97DF0@phx.gbl>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEMPHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP38E33D21558157E2D2C2CC97DF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909811E16@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Anger
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 8:59 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] replacement ignition designs

Eldon - I looked at your system on your Butt-Buggy at Portland a number
of 
years ago (I think it was Portland) and was going to order one from you
and 
then you announced the termination of the business. (oh darn). If you do

offer something in the future I would jump right to the front of the
line if 
it was simple enough for me to build. It was sure a nice system.

Larry Anger
163926 Brownsville Rd.
R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario
Canada N4G 4G8
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] replacement ignition designs


> Steve:
>
> That is an interesting website.  I do think that for our purposes (low

> speed engines without battery recharging means), the HEI modules are 
> overkill.
>
> I designed and used to sell solid-state ignition systems for old
engines. 
> It used either a Hall-Effect transistor and magnet for the pickup or a

> simple set of contacts.  You could select the triggering mode between
when 
> the points opened and when they closed.  On the last model, there was
even 
> an RPM limiter.  The unit was totally self contained, including the 
> battery, charger and coil.
>
> My system would run an engine at 1,000 RPM for nearly 100 hours
between 
> chargings.
>
> Unfortunately, they didn't sell well and I got out of the business
before 
> I got too far into the hole.  I still use my ignitions on all my
engines 
> and occasionally see one in use at shows.
>
> As a service to the hobby, I -may- offer the schematic and parts list
for 
> a simplified version of this system if anyone's interested.  I also
still 
> have a supply of the bare circuit boards for the full-featured
version.
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Steve W.
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:32 PM
>> To: ATIS LIST; Engine list
>> Subject: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
>>
>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/loudgpz/GPZheiModForPoints.html
>>
>> Be sure to look at the preceding page as well.
>> Plans on there for many
>> interesting ignition items...
>>
>> -- 
>> Steve W.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 

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From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Jan  9 08:33:36 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:33:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Jan  9 08:58:05 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:58:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
In-Reply-To: <b6e5889e104229c5cfde6393d9dd11da@dickerson-design.com>
References: <4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>
	<E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
	<4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi,  You have to keep in mind that the point of the whole 
Microsoft  Windows operating system was to make the personal computer 
possable to the masses and so it must be more user friendly.  So the more 
computer illiterates you have using, the easier it is for them to mess 
things up. And yes I include myself in the arena of computer 
illiterates.  Just because we can use email, google porn or sell on Ebay 
does not mean we know a whip about computers and the operating systems. So 
you have to make it way easier to correct their mistakes because there is 
not enough truely "system" or "hardware" literate people around to correct 
problems.
  You want to keep a system secure, then make it difficult or complicated 
and keep the knowledge base of people who know it to a minimum, restrict 
their access.  And then too, it better be stand alone.
   None of us or very few of us use our computers to even 10% of their true 
capabilities.   Mark


At 06:44 AM 1/9/2009 -0800, you wrote:
>Don't you just love Microsoft security!?!
>Hold a key, get in and remove password, the computer is yours!
>HAHAHA. No wonder it's so easy to hack MS systems.
>
>Bill
>
>On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:29:03 -0500, "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net> wrote:
> > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> >> Folks I gave my 11 year old grandson a Laptop Computer and he set it
> >> up with a password to get into it from the desktop. He has now forgot
> >> the password and cannot use the computer. Is there anyway around this
> >> without having to do a system recovery and wipe out the whole hard
> >> drive?
> >>
> >> Thanks for any help or advice can give.
> >>
> >> Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list
> >>  SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Paul, What OS does the machine have on it and when does he need to type
> > in the password?
> > If it's XP and the password he is typing in is the one on the welcome
> > screen,
> >
> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894902/
> >
> >
> > --
> > Steve W.
> > Near Cooperstown, New York
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1884 - Release Date: 1/9/2009 
>8:38 AM

Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

Frappi at wcoil.com
419.358.5206  Home
419.516.2996 Ver. Cell
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.

      



From curt at rustyiron.com  Fri Jan  9 09:55:40 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:55:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>
	<E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
	<5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <59442.168.215.206.73.1231523740.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Paul,
I have had success a few times mucking around in regedit and finding
passwords. Mind you there are a hell of a lot of files to look thru, but
it can be done.
Just be darned careful, because one space or accidental deletion in the
registry can FUBAR a computer.
Curt H


> Hi,  You have to keep in mind that the point of the whole
> Microsoft  Windows operating system was to make the personal computer
> possable to the masses and so it must be more user friendly.  So the more
> computer illiterates you have using, the easier it is for them to mess
> things up. And yes I include myself in the arena of computer
> illiterates.  Just because we can use email, google porn or sell on Ebay
> does not mean we know a whip about computers and the operating systems. So
> you have to make it way easier to correct their mistakes because there is
> not enough truely "system" or "hardware" literate people around to correct
> problems.
>   You want to keep a system secure, then make it difficult or complicated
> and keep the knowledge base of people who know it to a minimum, restrict
> their access.  And then too, it better be stand alone.
>    None of us or very few of us use our computers to even 10% of their
> true
> capabilities.   Mark
>
>
> At 06:44 AM 1/9/2009 -0800, you wrote:
>>Don't you just love Microsoft security!?!
>>Hold a key, get in and remove password, the computer is yours!
>>HAHAHA. No wonder it's so easy to hack MS systems.
>>
>>Bill
>>
>>On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:29:03 -0500, "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
>> wrote:
>> > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>> >> Folks I gave my 11 year old grandson a Laptop Computer and he set it
>> >> up with a password to get into it from the desktop. He has now forgot
>> >> the password and cannot use the computer. Is there anyway around this
>> >> without having to do a system recovery and wipe out the whole hard
>> >> drive?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for any help or advice can give.
>> >>
>> >> Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list
>> >>  SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Paul, What OS does the machine have on it and when does he need to
>> type
>> > in the password?
>> > If it's XP and the password he is typing in is the one on the welcome
>> > screen,
>> >
>> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894902/
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Steve W.
>> > Near Cooperstown, New York
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>No virus found in this incoming message.
>>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>>Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1884 - Release Date: 1/9/2009
>>8:38 AM
>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA
>
> Frappi at wcoil.com
> 419.358.5206  Home
> 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
>
>
>
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>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jan  9 10:00:06 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:00:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>
	<E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
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Message-ID: <8f63dbe6ac4ed59445107661e771744b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

So Mark, what you're saying is that the Windoze OS is to computers what the Maytag
Multimotor is to the engine world?  8->>>

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, January 9, 2009 11:58 am, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> Hi,  You have to keep in mind that the point of the whole
> Microsoft  Windows operating system was to make the personal computer
> possable to the masses and so it must be more user friendly.  So the more
> computer illiterates you have using, the easier it is for them to mess
> things up.




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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Jan  9 10:59:23 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:59:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
In-Reply-To: <8f63dbe6ac4ed59445107661e771744b.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>
	<E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
	<5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20090109133553.013d2650@pop3.wcoil.com>

GRINNNN   Actually I'd assign that honor to todays small two cycle engines. 
Cheap to buy and goes bad or out of
date and not worth fixin right quickly.
  I'd never put a Maytag as low as the richety house of cards Gates has 
built. ;-) Maytags are more like Macs and Apples, stable, sturdy, reliable 
and easy to fix if a problem arises. (Twins being the exception to the 
rule) Again tongue in cheak.  The only reason MS is still dominant is they 
grabbed market share and household name recognition very early on and built 
it into a monstrosity.  Even with the problems with Vista, MS is still 
holding on. I hear though that MS is in a race to release a new OS to 
replace VISTA asap.  Probably just a corrected version of Vista but renamed 
to shed themselves of the stigma of Vista.    8-) LOL     Mark

PS: And yes I use MS OS machines, mainly because its the easiest to get 
support for around here. And the easiest to find used cheap. Its hard to 
fight against an avalanche.   Oh well.


At 01:00 PM 1/9/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>So Mark, what you're saying is that the Windoze OS is to computers what 
>the Maytag
>Multimotor is to the engine world?  8->>>
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Fri, January 9, 2009 11:58 am, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> > Hi,  You have to keep in mind that the point of the whole
> > Microsoft  Windows operating system was to make the personal computer
> > possable to the masses and so it must be more user friendly.  So the more
> > computer illiterates you have using, the easier it is for them to mess
> > things up.
>
>
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jan  9 11:46:22 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:46:22 -0800
Subject: [SEL] IH LA question
Message-ID: <20090109.114622.536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  I am working on an 1940 IH LA, not an LB.  The oil cup under the
valve cover is missing,  just the hole in the rocker shaft where it went.
 The reproduction owners manual is worthless,  is there one piece or two?
 Any other info. would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Jan  9 11:56:16 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:56:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>	<E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>	<4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>
	<5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <4967ABE0.9030007@telenet.net>

Mark Shulaw wrote:
> Hi,  You have to keep in mind that the point of the whole 
> Microsoft  Windows operating system was to make the personal computer 
> possable to the masses and so it must be more user friendly.  So the more 
> computer illiterates you have using, the easier it is for them to mess 
> things up. And yes I include myself in the arena of computer 
> illiterates.  Just because we can use email, google porn or sell on Ebay 
> does not mean we know a whip about computers and the operating systems. So 
> you have to make it way easier to correct their mistakes because there is 
> not enough truely "system" or "hardware" literate people around to correct 
> problems.
>   You want to keep a system secure, then make it difficult or complicated 
> and keep the knowledge base of people who know it to a minimum, restrict 
> their access.  And then too, it better be stand alone.
>    None of us or very few of us use our computers to even 10% of their true 
> capabilities.   Mark

The problem with XP HOME is that it is semi crippled as far as real iron
door security goes, IF you have access to the actual computer. Basically
the same as any other computer in that, regardless of the machine or OS
used Linux, Windows, Unix, OS X, it doesn't matter if you have physical
access to the machine. Unless the user made it secure it isn't.
 However you can make it VERY secure if you wish. You start by using a
BIOS password, That means you type in a password before the machine will
even boot up. Then you add a password to the administrative account and
set up ALL other accounts to have limited access with passwords on them
as well.

Now the only person who can actually do damage is the one who holds the
bios and admin passwords.

However many folks don't want to be bothered with this level of
security, they only want to plug it in turn it on and surf the net.

-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan  9 12:27:59 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:27:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
References: <4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net><E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL><5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<59442.168.215.206.73.1231523740.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <09F7E0B8C65D480B838AA1CA6FA89DE5@PAUL>

Thanks Curt and I totally understand the potential for disaster messing with 
the registry.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <curt at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help


> Paul,
> I have had success a few times mucking around in regedit and finding
> passwords. Mind you there are a hell of a lot of files to look thru, but
> it can be done.
> Just be darned careful, because one space or accidental deletion in the
> registry can FUBAR a computer.
> Curt H
>
>
>> Hi,  You have to keep in mind that the point of the whole
>> Microsoft  Windows operating system was to make the personal computer
>> possable to the masses and so it must be more user friendly.  So the more
>> computer illiterates you have using, the easier it is for them to mess
>> things up. And yes I include myself in the arena of computer



From bee_keeper at clearwire.net  Fri Jan  9 17:12:04 2009
From: bee_keeper at clearwire.net (Lew Best)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 19:12:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] figured out a trick today
Message-ID: <010701c972c0$73557f00$5a007d00$@net>

Hey guys

 

Working on an old backhoe I traded for & having to do some modifications.
One involved moving the gas tank & making some new brackets which required
putting bolts in & the nuts being inside a channel where I couldn't hold
them with anything but an open end wrench to start them.  my magnet was too
thick to go in; the channel shallow enough that a box end tilted the nut too
much, etc.  Tried grease but that didn't work well.  Then I hit on the idea.
I put a piece of strapping tape on the flat side of the open end & stuck the
nut to it; bingo!  Worked perfect.  I think that stuff will stick TIGHT to
most anything. 

 

Just thought I'd pass it on.

 

Lew Best near Waco, TX

 



From rex002 at centurytel.net  Fri Jan  9 19:04:36 2009
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (rex002)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 21:04:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] IH LA question
References: <20090109.114622.536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <1352026534A043A6808BB7702BE22646@ibmhlcs6ptj6iw>

Ron ;

  Its a little 90 degree fitting with a spring loaded cover , I got one from 
Hit Miss Enterprises , There is a hole in the cover so you can oil it with 
out taking the cover off.

Rex Hinz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:46 PM
Subject: [SEL] IH LA question


> Hi all.  I am working on an 1940 IH LA, not an LB.  The oil cup under the
> valve cover is missing,  just the hole in the rocker shaft where it went.
> The reproduction owners manual is worthless,  is there one piece or two?
> Any other info. would be appreciated.  Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jan  9 22:10:28 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:10:28 -0800
Subject: [SEL] IH LA question
Message-ID: <20090109.221029.668.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Rex.  That is what I remembered, but not sure.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 21:04:36 -0600 "rex002" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
writes:
> Ron ;
> 
>   Its a little 90 degree fitting with a spring loaded cover , I got 
> one from 
> Hit Miss Enterprises , There is a hole in the cover so you can oil 
> it with 
> out taking the cover off.
> 
> Rex Hinz
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 00:52:10 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 08:52:10 +0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
In-Reply-To: <09F7E0B8C65D480B838AA1CA6FA89DE5@PAUL>
References: <4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>
	<E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
	<5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<59442.168.215.206.73.1231523740.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<09F7E0B8C65D480B838AA1CA6FA89DE5@PAUL>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901100052ia229a32r690ecbac992a264e@mail.gmail.com>

On 09/01/2009, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Thanks Curt and I totally understand the potential for disaster messing with
> the registry.
>
> Paul

One thing that you have to do with most larger hard drives is to
enable large lba code in the registry, other wise you're limited to
137gb or less, depending on your OS. I think XP came with this
enabled?

I've just had a new 500gb Maxtor/Seagate drive go wobbly on me on our
storage PC, and installed a secondhand 250gb drive to get going again
with the backups. Avoid any drives made in China!  Our recovery guy
reckons that the failure rates for Chinese drives is far above the
industry norm, and recommends that Singapore-built drives are probably
the best, alongside Malaysian, followed by Thailand in that order.

We still use Windows 200 Pro. although we do have some new software
and licences for XP pro if we want to go that route some time. Vista I
would not use, and most of our machines are not hardware compatible
anyway.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 00:53:16 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 08:53:16 +0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160901100052ia229a32r690ecbac992a264e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>
	<E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
	<5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<59442.168.215.206.73.1231523740.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<09F7E0B8C65D480B838AA1CA6FA89DE5@PAUL>
	<6f6025160901100052ia229a32r690ecbac992a264e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901100053j696a8da9pcc779c706387354c@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/01/2009, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:

> We still use Windows 200 Pro.

Make that Windows 2000 Pro :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jan 10 07:20:42 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:20:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] figured out a trick today
In-Reply-To: <010701c972c0$73557f00$5a007d00$@net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEPKHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Lew:

Good idea!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Lew Best
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 07:12 PM
> To: At at Lists. Antique-Tractor. Com; SEL
> Subject: [SEL] figured out a trick today




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sat Jan 10 10:29:54 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:29:54 -0000
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Good_deeds_are_carried_on!!?=
Message-ID: <005f01c97351$702e2f70$3a290556@intrepid>

On the 15 December 2001 I suffered severe brain damage after being knocked off my bicycle.
Engine friends on both lists, (74 of you) subscribed to a fund for me to help while I recovered.
Once I was recovered many months later I re-instated the fund and saved it in a separate account.
A couple of years ago, Bob Bolhuis in Canada was knocked off his motorcycle & suffered similar
brain injuries to those I had suffered. We commiserated with each other over the problems &
I passed on the fund to Bob who was unable to work. (I advised the lists).
Bob rang me tonight and he told me that he had been back at work for about a year.
A female friend of his who was a teacher of handicapped children has suffered similar brain damage
& is having financial problems so Bob has passed on the full amount!!
It is nice to see your generosity of 7 years ago still giving help to unfortunate people.
A good start to the New Year.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 12:17:54 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:17:54 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Good deeds are carried on!!
In-Reply-To: <005f01c97351$702e2f70$3a290556@intrepid>
References: <005f01c97351$702e2f70$3a290556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901101217t3e22fa4bva81da8ae58272af5@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/01/2009, Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> On the 15 December 2001 I suffered severe brain damage after being knocked
> off my bicycle.
> Engine friends on both lists, (74 of you) subscribed to a fund for me to
> help while I recovered.
> Once I was recovered many months later I re-instated the fund and saved it
> in a separate account.
> A couple of years ago, Bob Bolhuis in Canada was knocked off his motorcycle
> & suffered similar
> brain injuries to those I had suffered. We commiserated with each other over
> the problems &
> I passed on the fund to Bob who was unable to work. (I advised the lists).
> Bob rang me tonight and he told me that he had been back at work for about a
> year.
> A female friend of his who was a teacher of handicapped children has
> suffered similar brain damage
> & is having financial problems so Bob has passed on the full amount!!
> It is nice to see your generosity of 7 years ago still giving help to
> unfortunate people.
> A good start to the New Year.
> Dave Croft

For more recent members of both lists who were not around in 2001,
this was a truly International effort, handled by Reg Ingold in Oz,
Dave Rotigel in the USA and myself in the UK. Within 2 weeks or less
we had raised a significant amount of cash in three currencies, got it
converted at no charge (my sister worked at HSBC then) and we were
able to send Dave a large Xmas food hamper and a very nice cheque for
him and his family.

A full record was kept of all responses and donations, and I have that
filed/archived, including the hamper picture :-))

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 12:23:16 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:23:16 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Philco Dual-engine Trucks for B24 Haulage
Message-ID: <6f6025160901101223y24af1293q224c5ebcf7b79e10@mail.gmail.com>

Reading one of our back issues of the USAF Museum  'Friends' magazine,
I read about the Ford Willow Run plant that was turned over to
mass-production of the B-24 bomber.

A small item in the article caught my eye:

Philco made the truck tractor unit, and it had two 100hp V8 Ford
engines sitting side by side in the chassis. the trailer was 60ft
long, they could road-hail a complete B-24 in two truck/trailers.

I know that Philco made Radios and TV's after the war, but never knew
about this truck manufacturing side. Are any of these trucks still
extant?  Has anyone else heard of this haulage unit?

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 10 13:02:50 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:02:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Good deeds are carried on!!
In-Reply-To: <005f01c97351$702e2f70$3a290556@intrepid>
References: <005f01c97351$702e2f70$3a290556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <fe5bd86493db1548d3db6bd62e0104e4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Pay it Forward...  It's a really neat idea.  8-))
A good start for the new year indeed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay_it_forward
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0223897/plotsummary

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, January 10, 2009 1:29 pm, Dave Croft wrote:
> On the 15 December 2001 I suffered severe brain damage after being knocked off my
> bicycle.
> Engine friends on both lists, (74 of you) subscribed to a fund for me to help while
> I recovered.
> Once I was recovered many months later I re-instated the fund and saved it in a
> separate account.
> A couple of years ago, Bob Bolhuis in Canada was knocked off his motorcycle &
> suffered similar
> brain injuries to those I had suffered. We commiserated with each other over the
> problems &
> I passed on the fund to Bob who was unable to work. (I advised the lists).
> Bob rang me tonight and he told me that he had been back at work for about a year.
> A female friend of his who was a teacher of handicapped children has suffered
> similar brain damage
> & is having financial problems so Bob has passed on the full amount!!
> It is nice to see your generosity of 7 years ago still giving help to unfortunate
> people.
> A good start to the New Year.




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From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sat Jan 10 13:41:05 2009
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:41:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Good deeds are carried on!!
References: <005f01c97351$702e2f70$3a290556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <002701c9736c$27824200$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Well done by all involved parties.  "No act of kindness, no matter how 
small, goes unnoticed".   George F. Armstrong
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "atis" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:29 PM
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Good deeds are carried on!!


> On the 15 December 2001 I suffered severe brain damage after being knocked 
> off my bicycle.
> Engine friends on both lists, (74 of you) subscribed to a fund for me to 
> help while I recovered.
> Once I was recovered many months later I re-instated the fund and saved it 
> in a separate account.
> A couple of years ago, Bob Bolhuis in Canada was knocked off his 
> motorcycle & suffered similar
> brain injuries to those I had suffered. We commiserated with each other 
> over the problems &
> I passed on the fund to Bob who was unable to work. (I advised the lists).
> Bob rang me tonight and he told me that he had been back at work for about 
> a year.
> A female friend of his who was a teacher of handicapped children has 
> suffered similar brain damage
> & is having financial problems so Bob has passed on the full amount!!
> It is nice to see your generosity of 7 years ago still giving help to 
> unfortunate people.
> A good start to the New Year.
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 





From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 10 20:26:09 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:26:09 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Harry Terpstra E-mail address
Message-ID: <667B2D689A844D71A885559C739F5AC7@PAUL>

Can someone send me Harry's e-mail address? I probably misspelled his last name but I should be close.

Thanks,

Paul


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 10 20:51:03 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:51:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Need Harry Terpstra E-mail address
In-Reply-To: <667B2D689A844D71A885559C739F5AC7@PAUL>
References: <667B2D689A844D71A885559C739F5AC7@PAUL>
Message-ID: <5c5bd6f6981bfc1d5e5bb8a8d01fdf68.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Try...  "Harry Terpstra" <h.terpstra at wxs.nl>

On Sat, January 10, 2009 11:26 pm, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Can someone send me Harry's e-mail address? I probably misspelled his last name but




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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jan 10 23:14:05 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:14:05 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
Message-ID: <69EF34067F2846778684D137C86ACAE3@PML>

Hi everyone. The bad news for all of you is that I am back after our 5 week
jaunt around the world. We had an amazing time and saw the sights (and took
over 2700 photos). 
The big news is that we are now engaged (pause for comments) after asking
Ann to marry me in Times Square on New Years Eve (where the temperature was
-8c not including the wind chill).
I did not get to see much to do with engines although we did get to the
Science Museum in London, the National Rail Museum in York & saw lots of
cool things in San Francisco. We had many generous offers of places to stay
and collections to see but unfortunately did not have time on this trip to
see everyone. 
Many thanks to Rob & Kelly for giving us a place to stay while we attempted
every ride at the amusement parks of LA.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Jan 10 23:17:41 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:17:41 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Texas Engine Auction
Message-ID: <45310E952FC14A5A9A28F0B4B9122D07@peterlowe>

Hi Guys

Anyone going to this sale?

http://nixonauctioneers.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49&>%20Itemid=58

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm

From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 00:49:51 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:49:51 +0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
In-Reply-To: <69EF34067F2846778684D137C86ACAE3@PML>
References: <69EF34067F2846778684D137C86ACAE3@PML>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901110049k73a92d70n245ab800efb2dcfd@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/01/2009, Patrick M Livingstone <pml1 at bigpond.net.au> wrote:

> The big news is that we are now engaged (pause for comments) after asking
> Ann to marry me in Times Square on New Years Eve (where the temperature was
> -8c not including the wind chill).

Many congratulations to you both!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jan 11 02:15:29 2009
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:15:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
References: <69EF34067F2846778684D137C86ACAE3@PML>
Message-ID: <ABD2EEFDD105460EAFA9A052B8BF4400@Edd>

WELCOME HOME MATES AND CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:14 PM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!


> Hi everyone. The bad news for all of you is that I am back after our 5 
> week
> jaunt around the world. We had an amazing time and saw the sights (and 
> took
> over 2700 photos).
> The big news is that we are now engaged (pause for comments) after asking
> Ann to marry me in Times Square on New Years Eve (where the temperature 
> was
> -8c not including the wind chill).
> I did not get to see much to do with engines although we did get to the
> Science Museum in London, the National Rail Museum in York & saw lots of
> cool things in San Francisco. We had many generous offers of places to 
> stay
> and collections to see but unfortunately did not have time on this trip to
> see everyone.
> Many thanks to Rob & Kelly for giving us a place to stay while we 
> attempted
> every ride at the amusement parks of LA.
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
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> 




From brock at netspeed.com.au  Sun Jan 11 04:31:10 2009
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:31:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
Message-ID: <4969e68e.3e1.7da8.916419833@netspeed.com.au>

Thats awsome news mate congrats mate
regards Brock
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>, "Stationary Engine
Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:14:05 +1100

> Hi everyone. The bad news for all of you is that I am back
> after our 5 week jaunt around the world. We had an amazing
> time and saw the sights (and took over 2700 photos). 
> The big news is that we are now engaged (pause for
> comments) after asking Ann to marry me in Times Square on
> New Years Eve (where the temperature was -8c not including
> the wind chill). I did not get to see much to do with
> engines although we did get to the Science Museum in
> London, the National Rail Museum in York & saw lots of
> cool things in San Francisco. We had many generous offers
> of places to stay and collections to see but unfortunately
> did not have time on this trip to see everyone. 
> Many thanks to Rob & Kelly for giving us a place to stay
> while we attempted every ride at the amusement parks of
> LA.
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jan 11 05:28:21 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:28:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Texas Engine Auction
References: <45310E952FC14A5A9A28F0B4B9122D07@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <193817F24D65422EA730D6673D8A780B@tommydk7hxjr4h>

That would be great auction to attend Peter.   I might try to go out of 
curiosity more than anything else as the piggy bank doesn't have a lot in it 
right now.  If I'm not mistaken, the big Fairbanks tractor that will be sold 
used to be here in KY near me.  It came from Shelbyville and it and a couple 
of large IH gas tractors spent their life on a large farm there.  I could 
have purchased it in the 80's for $7500.  Way too much I thought.  We'll see 
how far off my thoughts were when the sale is held in March.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine.org" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:17 AM
Subject: [SEL] Texas Engine Auction


> Hi Guys
>
> Anyone going to this sale?
>
> http://nixonauctioneers.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49&>%20Itemid=58
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> _______________________________________________
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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jan 11 06:18:05 2009
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:18:05 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
References: <4969e68e.3e1.7da8.916419833@netspeed.com.au>
Message-ID: <970FE85177984A4896190CA1C3A001C6@Edd>

What are you doing out of the fart sack this time of nite.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <brock at netspeed.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!


> Thats awsome news mate congrats mate
> regards Brock
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List"
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>, "Stationary Engine
> Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:14:05 +1100
> 
>> Hi everyone. The bad news for all of you is that I am back
>> after our 5 week jaunt around the world. We had an amazing
>> time and saw the sights (and took over 2700 photos). 
>> The big news is that we are now engaged (pause for
>> comments) after asking Ann to marry me in Times Square on
>> New Years Eve (where the temperature was -8c not including
>> the wind chill). I did not get to see much to do with
>> engines although we did get to the Science Museum in
>> London, the National Rail Museum in York & saw lots of
>> cool things in San Francisco. We had many generous offers
>> of places to stay and collections to see but unfortunately
>> did not have time on this trip to see everyone. 
>> Many thanks to Rob & Kelly for giving us a place to stay
>> while we attempted every ride at the amusement parks of
>> LA.
>> 
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Jan 11 07:38:38 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 09:38:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
In-Reply-To: <69EF34067F2846778684D137C86ACAE3@PML>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEAGHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Pat:

Okay - now, when are 'ya gonna tie on the ol' ball and chain?

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Patrick M
> Livingstone
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 01:14 AM
> To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary 
> Engine Mailing List
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
> 
> 
> Hi everyone. The bad news for all of you is that 
> I am back after our 5 week
> jaunt around the world. We had an amazing time 
> and saw the sights (and took
> over 2700 photos). 
> The big news is that we are now engaged (pause 
> for comments) after asking
> Ann to marry me in Times Square on New Years Eve 
> (where the temperature was
> -8c not including the wind chill).

............................snip............

> Patrick M Livingstone




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 11 08:40:15 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:40:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Harry Terpstra E-mail address
References: <667B2D689A844D71A885559C739F5AC7@PAUL>
	<5c5bd6f6981bfc1d5e5bb8a8d01fdf68.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <183830075805474986AF347067A9E798@PAUL>

Got it guys, many thanks.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Harry Terpstra E-mail address


> Try...  "Harry Terpstra" <h.terpstra at wxs.nl>
>
> On Sat, January 10, 2009 11:26 pm, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>> Can someone send me Harry's e-mail address? I probably misspelled his 
>> last name but
>
>
>
>
> -- 
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Jan 11 10:03:35 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:03:35 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Good deeds are carried on!!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1231693202.11730.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090111195808.01f1f330@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 11/01/2009, you wrote:

>From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Good deeds are carried on!!
>
>On 10/01/2009, Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > On the 15 December 2001 I suffered severe brain damage after being knocked
> > off my bicycle.
> > Engine friends on both lists, (74 of you) subscribed to a fund for me to
> > help while I recovered.

><Big snip>

> > It is nice to see your generosity of 7 years ago still giving help to
> > unfortunate people.
> > A good start to the New Year.
> > Dave Croft
>
>For more recent members of both lists who were not around in 2001,
>this was a truly International effort, handled by Reg Ingold in Oz,
>Dave Rotigel in the USA and myself in the UK. Within 2 weeks or less
>we had raised a significant amount of cash in three currencies, got it
>converted at no charge (my sister worked at HSBC then) and we were
>able to send Dave a large Xmas food hamper and a very nice cheque for
>him and his family.
>
>A full record was kept of all responses and donations, and I have that
>filed/archived, including the hamper picture :-))
>
>Peter
>--
>Peter A Forbes

Hi Peter (and Dave)
         I was one of those who had not found these fantastic lists yet.
         Congratulations to you all - it just proves what I've always said. 
Engine people are the best there are!!
         God Bless you all.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Jan 11 10:10:59 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:10:59 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  O.T. I'm Back!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1231693202.11730.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090111200508.00c5ae98@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 11/01/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 8
>Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:14:05 +1100
>From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
>
>Hi everyone. The bad news for all of you is that I am back after our 5 week
>jaunt around the world. We had an amazing time and saw the sights (and took
>over 2700 photos).
>The big news is that we are now engaged (pause for comments) after asking
>Ann to marry me in Times Square on New Years Eve (where the temperature was
>-8c not including the wind chill).
>I did not get to see much to do with engines although we did get to the
>Science Museum in London, the National Rail Museum in York & saw lots of
>cool things in San Francisco. We had many generous offers of places to stay
>and collections to see but unfortunately did not have time on this trip to
>see everyone.
>Many thanks to Rob & Kelly for giving us a place to stay while we attempted
>every ride at the amusement parks of LA.
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

Hey Patrick,
         That's not bad news! That's 2 very good news  items.
         Congratulations to You and Ann - "Times Square hey" - that's going 
to be something to tell the grandchildren one day - You romantic dog you!!!
         I wish You and Ann all the luck in the world.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From george at irontrader.com  Sun Jan 11 10:33:43 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (George Best)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:33:43 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Texas Engine Auction
In-Reply-To: <45310E952FC14A5A9A28F0B4B9122D07@peterlowe>
References: <45310E952FC14A5A9A28F0B4B9122D07@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <001b01c9741b$221d14c0$66573e40$@com>

Some real nice stuff in the listing.  Will be interested in seeing some
photos when available.

Unfortunately, I think I've probably spent my engine budget for the year so
I'm sure I won't be buying anything at auction in the foreseeable future.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 11:18 PM
To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Texas Engine Auction

Hi Guys

Anyone going to this sale?

http://nixonauctioneers.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49&
>%20Itemid=58

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
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From oldiron62 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 11:10:44 2009
From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:10:44 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
Message-ID: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM>

Looking for a 13/16 - 20 rht nut.  McMaster dont have one.

Thanks.
Kevin Mosier





From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jan 11 11:28:28 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 11:28:28 -0800
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
Message-ID: <20090111.112828.800.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

That's another unusual size Kevin.  What does it fit?
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:10:44 -0600 <oldiron62 at gmail.com> writes:
> Looking for a 13/16 - 20 rht nut.  McMaster dont have one.
> 
> Thanks.
> Kevin Mosier
____________________________________________________________
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jan 11 12:02:31 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:02:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
References: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM>
Message-ID: <FA0CA30473274E2886BCFE59C1ED038F@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Kevin
    That will be a tough one to find.  If you have to make one, here's a tap 
you can buy.  I almost purchased this a couple of weeks ago for a project I 
was doing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250252980931&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=

Tommy Turner



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <oldiron62 at gmail.com>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Cc: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:10 PM
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut


> Looking for a 13/16 - 20 rht nut.  McMaster dont have one.
>
> Thanks.
> Kevin Mosier
>
>
>
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From oldiron62 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 12:30:32 2009
From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:30:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
References: <20090111.112828.800.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <8A37A03F496442B7AFC1C35312BB2A17@FAMILYROOM>

This is for a steering wheel on IH 350 U. The power steering unit came off a 
460U tractor
I have not tried Case IH yet
Thanks.
 Kevin
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut


> That's another unusual size Kevin.  What does it fit?
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
>
> On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:10:44 -0600 <oldiron62 at gmail.com> writes:
>> Looking for a 13/16 - 20 rht nut.  McMaster dont have one.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Kevin Mosier
> ____________________________________________________________
> Click here to become certified in medical billing and training at these 
> schools.
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw38dqZ53rZy38SUOeFhUJNFIe7ieFuHyebsy47MSkpStmZnf/
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Sun Jan 11 13:01:24 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:01:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
References: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM>
	<FA0CA30473274E2886BCFE59C1ED038F@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <01db01c9742f$c36b64d0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

http://www.marinersdirect.com/highway/details.php?ITEM=5711813

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut


> Kevin
>    That will be a tough one to find.  If you have to make one, here's a 
> tap
> you can buy.  I almost purchased this a couple of weeks ago for a project 
> I
> was doing.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250252980931&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=
>
> Tommy Turner
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <oldiron62 at gmail.com>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Cc: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:10 PM
> Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
>
>
>> Looking for a 13/16 - 20 rht nut.  McMaster dont have one.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Kevin Mosier
>>
>>
>>
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From milo at hughes.net  Sun Jan 11 13:07:08 2009
From: milo at hughes.net (milo at hughes.net)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:07:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
In-Reply-To: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM>
References: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM>
Message-ID: <20A4C129EACF4E42A7130F4ABB3F8970@GALMIWHOLROYDMH>

Maybe this will do
http://www.google.com/products?q=13/16-20+nut&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US
:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&resnum
=4&ct=title

Peace
Milo

>-----Original Message-----
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>bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of oldiron62 at gmail.com
>Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:11 PM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
>
>Looking for a 13/16 - 20 rht nut.  McMaster dont have one.
>
>Thanks.
>Kevin Mosier
>
>
>
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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 11 13:23:51 2009
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:23:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
In-Reply-To: <01db01c9742f$c36b64d0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM>	<FA0CA30473274E2886BCFE59C1ED038F@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<01db01c9742f$c36b64d0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <004501c97432$e67b0ae0$b37120a0$@net>

Hmmmmmm; apparently a trailer axle nut; might check a local trailer dealer
Kevin.

Lew

-----Original Message-----
http://www.marinersdirect.com/highway/details.php?ITEM=5711813

Rick



From oldiron62 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 13:47:42 2009
From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:47:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
References: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM>
	<FA0CA30473274E2886BCFE59C1ED038F@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <CD788DB779D04F7F9BCC9ED94D6E9E7D@FAMILYROOM>

Tommy, That would be a good deal. If it was for steel, that one is for 
brass.  Now that I know they are used on a lot of Ford frontends, I think 
one can be bought at the NAPA.
Thanks yall !

Kevin
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut


> Kevin
>    That will be a tough one to find.  If you have to make one, here's a 
> tap
> you can buy.  I almost purchased this a couple of weeks ago for a project 
> I
> was doing.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250252980931&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=
>
> Tommy Turner
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <oldiron62 at gmail.com>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Cc: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:10 PM
> Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
>
>
>> Looking for a 13/16 - 20 rht nut.  McMaster dont have one.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Kevin Mosier
>>
>>
>>
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From falcon at telenet.net  Sun Jan 11 14:02:46 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:02:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
In-Reply-To: <69EF34067F2846778684D137C86ACAE3@PML>
References: <69EF34067F2846778684D137C86ACAE3@PML>
Message-ID: <496A6C86.2010903@telenet.net>

Patrick M Livingstone wrote:
> Hi everyone. The bad news for all of you is that I am back after our 5 week
> jaunt around the world. We had an amazing time and saw the sights (and took
> over 2700 photos). 

Welcome back. Sounds like it was a mostly fun trip.

> The big news is that we are now engaged (pause for comments) after asking
> Ann to marry me in Times Square on New Years Eve (where the temperature was
> -8c not including the wind chill).

My condolences on your engagement. You had to go and screw up a nice
trip didn't you....:-)


> I did not get to see much to do with engines although we did get to the
> Science Museum in London, the National Rail Museum in York & saw lots of
> cool things in San Francisco. We had many generous offers of places to stay
> and collections to see but unfortunately did not have time on this trip to
> see everyone. 
> Many thanks to Rob & Kelly for giving us a place to stay while we attempted
> every ride at the amusement parks of LA.
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York


From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jan 11 14:03:32 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:03:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
References: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM><FA0CA30473274E2886BCFE59C1ED038F@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<CD788DB779D04F7F9BCC9ED94D6E9E7D@FAMILYROOM>
Message-ID: <154902EE459F4950B6590AACEB8CA879@tommydk7hxjr4h>

I think it would work for steel.  The difference is the number of flutes I 
think (some of our machinists can weigh in).  If it works out to be a 
spindle nut, you should be able to get it for 50 cents.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <oldiron62 at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut


> Tommy, That would be a good deal. If it was for steel, that one is for
> brass.  Now that I know they are used on a lot of Ford frontends, I think
> one can be bought at the NAPA.
> Thanks yall !
>
> Kevin
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
>
>
>> Kevin
>>    That will be a tough one to find.  If you have to make one, here's a
>> tap
>> you can buy.  I almost purchased this a couple of weeks ago for a project
>> I
>> was doing.
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250252980931&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <oldiron62 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Cc: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:10 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
>>
>>
>>> Looking for a 13/16 - 20 rht nut.  McMaster dont have one.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Kevin Mosier
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Sun Jan 11 17:37:57 2009
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:37:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
Message-ID: <83681.3089.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Congratulations, Patrick

Times Square...NYE... you smooth operator, but I'll reckon you had it in mind to pop the question even before leaving Oz. Were you nervous and thinking about it all the way over? but....you haven't told us what she said. ;-)

Graham in Melb.



 

 


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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jan 11 18:04:02 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:04:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
In-Reply-To: <69EF34067F2846778684D137C86ACAE3@PML>
References: <69EF34067F2846778684D137C86ACAE3@PML>
Message-ID: <55193e4fd2eef75b86b41801c08e2167.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

BRILLIANT news Patrick!!  When will the two of you tie the knot?

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, January 11, 2009 2:14 am, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:
> The big news is that we are now engaged (pause for comments) after asking
> Ann to marry me in Times Square on New Years Eve (where the temperature was
> -8c not including the wind chill).




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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 11 20:08:48 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:08:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Harry Terpstra
Message-ID: <27AE1CCB8F3046F89C963C9229872C88@PAUL>

Has anyone heard from Harry lately? I need to get hold of him and so far he has not answered my e-mail. I hope he is not sick.

Reg had originally told me that Harry had passed away but notified me tonight that it was not Harry that passed away but his Dad which I knew about.

Paul


From george at irontrader.com  Sun Jan 11 20:55:57 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (George Best)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:55:57 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Harry Terpstra
In-Reply-To: <27AE1CCB8F3046F89C963C9229872C88@PAUL>
References: <27AE1CCB8F3046F89C963C9229872C88@PAUL>
Message-ID: <000501c97472$0ec90a80$2c5b1f80$@com>

Paul,

I get emails from Harry almost daily, including today.  So he's very much
alive.

Plus we're planning a engine tour the end of May and first week in June.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 8:09 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Harry Terpstra

Has anyone heard from Harry lately? I need to get hold of him and so far he
has not answered my e-mail. I hope he is not sick.

Reg had originally told me that Harry had passed away but notified me
tonight that it was not Harry that passed away but his Dad which I knew
about.

Paul
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From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 12 04:22:43 2009
From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:22:43 +0000
Subject: [SEL] American National ?
Message-ID: <BAY121-W80383FDEDC001E1102B0DD0D80@phx.gbl>


Interested in what you guys think of this engine..: 120361957250  here on ebay UK.  It is a rebadged engine,I think an American 'National'? Very pricey and probably should be low tension.Sorry don't know how to get the link 'direct'  Thanks John
_________________________________________________________________
Choose the perfect PC or mobile phone for you
http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/

From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jan 12 05:05:51 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 08:05:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] American National ?
In-Reply-To: <BAY121-W80383FDEDC001E1102B0DD0D80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <326443B07C484C1FA34779F17CF1589D@tommyd0x52gkco>


Not sure John.  It doesn't look familiar.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of john
palmer
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:23 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] American National ?


Interested in what you guys think of this engine..: 120361957250  here
on ebay UK.  It is a rebadged engine,I think an American 'National'?
Very pricey and probably should be low tension.Sorry don't know how to
get the link 'direct'  Thanks John
_________________________________________________________________
Choose the perfect PC or mobile phone for you
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Jan 12 05:11:29 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:11:29 -0000
Subject: [SEL] American National ?
References: <BAY121-W80383FDEDC001E1102B0DD0D80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000d01c974b7$495a6d70$3a290556@intrepid>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "john palmer" <ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] American National ?


>
> Interested in what you guys think of this engine..: 120361957250  here on ebay UK.  It is a rebadged engine,I think an American 
> 'National'? Very pricey and probably should be low tension.Sorry don't know how to get the link 'direct'  Thanks John

Hi John, just go to the site and copy the address.
Then just add this to your message.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120361957250
It makes life a lot easier for the viewers, just click and you are there.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 12 09:38:53 2009
From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:38:53 +0000
Subject: [SEL] USA 'National'
Message-ID: <BAY121-W36B095E092200FD09D44B6D0D80@phx.gbl>


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120361957250Hope this works,thanks Dave.
_________________________________________________________________
Choose the perfect PC or mobile phone for you
http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/

From oldiron62 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 18:26:08 2009
From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:26:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
References: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM><FA0CA30473274E2886BCFE59C1ED038F@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<01db01c9742f$c36b64d0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <DCC1A665D1104D9EBF9CD32557B2ADD1@FAMILYROOM>

Thanks again everyone, I picked one up today at Oriley auto parts store. Had 
to buy a kit, still less than 5 bucks. Not as hard to come by as I expected 
when yall made me aware of what else used that nut. Trailer axles, some 
older Ford spindles and ?? What I was worried about was the fact that 
McMaster Carr did not have it or Fastenal either.

Kevin Mosier
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tod Engine Foundation" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut


> http://www.marinersdirect.com/highway/details.php?ITEM=5711813
>
> Rick
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
>
>
>> Kevin
>>    That will be a tough one to find.  If you have to make one, here's a
>> tap
>> you can buy.  I almost purchased this a couple of weeks ago for a project
>> I
>> was doing.
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250252980931&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <oldiron62 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Cc: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:10 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
>>
>>
>>> Looking for a 13/16 - 20 rht nut.  McMaster dont have one.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Kevin Mosier
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jan 12 19:37:55 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:37:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
In-Reply-To: <DCC1A665D1104D9EBF9CD32557B2ADD1@FAMILYROOM>
References: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM><FA0CA30473274E2886BCFE59C1ED038F@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<01db01c9742f$c36b64d0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<DCC1A665D1104D9EBF9CD32557B2ADD1@FAMILYROOM>
Message-ID: <ae043fdac66fc88e72611c94991c7e30.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Kevin,

Man, yer killin' us here...  What are YOU gonna use this "odd nut" for???

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, January 12, 2009 9:26 pm, oldiron62 at gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks again everyone, I picked one up today at Oriley auto parts store. Had
> to buy a kit, still less than 5 bucks. Not as hard to come by as I expected
> when yall made me aware of what else used that nut. Trailer axles, some
> older Ford spindles and ?? What I was worried about was the fact that
> McMaster Carr did not have it or Fastenal either.




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From oldiron62 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 20:22:16 2009
From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:22:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
References: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM><FA0CA30473274E2886BCFE59C1ED038F@tommydk7hxjr4h><01db01c9742f$c36b64d0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><DCC1A665D1104D9EBF9CD32557B2ADD1@FAMILYROOM>
	<ae043fdac66fc88e72611c94991c7e30.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <817A5BDE82A64A68B2DD1BF69AB92A4E@FAMILYROOM>

Hey take it easy !    It holds the steering wheel on a 1956 IHC 350 utility 
tractor that I been in the process of adding power steering to for about a 
year :-)  The power st unit come off a IH 460 utility tractor that had been 
converted into a puller.
Seems like everything on this tractor needs something or another fixed along 
with the factory priority valve just being hard to find.  Then somewhere I 
was told the 460 unit will not work at all on this tractor even though it is 
a bolt in replacement.  Something about not being ported for a flow valve, 
as a 460 has a separate pump for steering.  And the 350 just uses priority 
flow valve giving the first 3 galons per minute hyd oil to steering. I think 
everything is in order to find out soon as I get a chance to replace the 
junk wiring.
Thanks again everyone.

Kevin Mosier




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut


> Kevin,
>
> Man, yer killin' us here...  What are YOU gonna use this "odd nut" for???
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Mon, January 12, 2009 9:26 pm, oldiron62 at gmail.com wrote:
>> Thanks again everyone, I picked one up today at Oriley auto parts store. 
>> Had
>> to buy a kit, still less than 5 bucks. Not as hard to come by as I 
>> expected
>> when yall made me aware of what else used that nut. Trailer axles, some
>> older Ford spindles and ?? What I was worried about was the fact that
>> McMaster Carr did not have it or Fastenal either.
>
>
>
>
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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 12 21:27:20 2009
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:27:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
In-Reply-To: <DCC1A665D1104D9EBF9CD32557B2ADD1@FAMILYROOM>
References: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM><FA0CA30473274E2886BCFE59C1ED038F@tommydk7hxjr4h>	<01db01c9742f$c36b64d0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<DCC1A665D1104D9EBF9CD32557B2ADD1@FAMILYROOM>
Message-ID: <00ad01c9753f$9b592570$d20b7050$@net>

Hey Kevin 

Glad you found one; worth committing to memory where to look for odd size
fine thread nuts!

Lew 

-----Original Message-----


Thanks again everyone, I picked one up today at Oriley auto parts store. Had

to buy a kit, still less than 5 bucks. Not as hard to come by as I expected 
when yall made me aware of what else used that nut. Trailer axles, some 
older Ford spindles and ?? What I was worried about was the fact that 
McMaster Carr did not have it or Fastenal either.

Kevin Mosier



From page at velocitynet.com.au  Mon Jan 12 23:39:23 2009
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:39:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
In-Reply-To: <69EF34067F2846778684D137C86ACAE3@PML>
Message-ID: <001901c97552$0e52b840$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Hi Patrick
Congratulations on your engagement.  Hope you don't mind but we passed the
info on to Bob and Jean McDonald.

Ron 

Canberra

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
Livingstone
Sent: Sunday, 11 January 2009 6:14 PM
To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!

Hi everyone. The bad news for all of you is that I am back after our 5 week
jaunt around the world. We had an amazing time and saw the sights (and took
over 2700 photos). 
The big news is that we are now engaged (pause for comments) after asking
Ann to marry me in Times Square on New Years Eve (where the temperature was
-8c not including the wind chill).
I did not get to see much to do with engines although we did get to the
Science Museum in London, the National Rail Museum in York & saw lots of
cool things in San Francisco. We had many generous offers of places to stay
and collections to see but unfortunately did not have time on this trip to
see everyone. 
Many thanks to Rob & Kelly for giving us a place to stay while we attempted
every ride at the amusement parks of LA.

Patrick M Livingstone
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 13 00:12:56 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:12:56 -0000
Subject: [SEL] American National ?
References: <BAY121-W80383FDEDC001E1102B0DD0D80@phx.gbl>
	<000d01c974b7$495a6d70$3a290556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <002601c97556$bece05e0$3a290556@intrepid>

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "john palmer" <ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:22 PM
> Subject: [SEL] American National ?
>>
>> Interested in what you guys think of this engine..: 120361957250  here on ebay UK.  It is a rebadged engine,I think an American 
>> 'National'? Very pricey and probably should be low tension.Sorry don't know how to get the link 'direct'  Thanks John
> 
> Hi John, just go to the site and copy the address.
> Then just add this to your message.
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120361957250
> It makes life a lot easier for the viewers, just click and you are there.
> Dave Croft

Hi John, I put this question on  uk.rec.engines.stationary group &  Charles Hamilton replied

 Looks like Merv Cloake from N.Z. has solved Your query Dave. 
According to him it's a 2hp " New Model" made by the National Eng. Co. Saginaw, Michigan.
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1063196464039146533FECgXy

Merv Cloakes post is at
http://www.stationaryengine.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=50699

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Jan 13 03:41:50 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:41:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] American National ?
In-Reply-To: <002601c97556$bece05e0$3a290556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <0227FC4323744B90BC5F3AD5CF953EA2@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Dave,
	I've had a few of the Nationals and the one on ebay is a bit
different than the ones I've had (they have all been one flywheelers)
but is certainly very similar to the one in the photos.  Perhaps mine
have been the "Old Style" vs. the "New Style" as this engine is
described.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




Hi John, I put this question on  uk.rec.engines.stationary group &
Charles Hamilton replied

 Looks like Merv Cloake from N.Z. has solved Your query Dave. 
According to him it's a 2hp " New Model" made by the National Eng. Co.
Saginaw, Michigan.
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1063196464039146533FECgXy

Merv Cloakes post is at
http://www.stationaryengine.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=50699

Dave Croft
Warrington
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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 13 08:19:55 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:19:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Piston slap  ????
In-Reply-To: <0227FC4323744B90BC5F3AD5CF953EA2@tommydk7hxjr4h>
References: <002601c97556$bece05e0$3a290556@intrepid>
	<0227FC4323744B90BC5F3AD5CF953EA2@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W53BD80E3264B91C4412469C2D90@phx.gbl>


Got a question for you guys.  I'm working on an engine and it has a knock in it and you only hear it when the engine is coasting down really slow but the slower it gets the louder it gets.  The noise is coming from the cylinder and it has been sleeved so that rules out egg shaped cylinder.  Only thing that I can come up with is piston slap but I've taken a piston and rod out of an identical engine here and it does the same thing but the other engine doesn't make the noise and it's pretty irritating noise and is pretty loud.  You can't hear any loud knocking when the engine is running at a decent speed but only when slowed down to under 100 rpm that the noise starts.  Any ideas or suggestions are appreciated
 
Thanks
Tom Winland
Ohio
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From curt at rustyiron.com  Tue Jan 13 09:15:14 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:15:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [SEL] Piston slap  ????
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W53BD80E3264B91C4412469C2D90@phx.gbl>
References: <002601c97556$bece05e0$3a290556@intrepid>
	<0227FC4323744B90BC5F3AD5CF953EA2@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<BLU102-W53BD80E3264B91C4412469C2D90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <59420.168.215.206.73.1231866914.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Tom,
I'd bet what you are hearing is actually the small end of the rod hitting
a boss on the inside of the piston. I've seen this several times and it
gets louder as the engine slows, exactly as you describe. You may have a
worn bushing on either end, or the bushing on the big end is not bored
dead perpendicular to the rod axis, canting the rod slightly.
Can you put a small sheet of rubber or gasket in the gaps on either side
of the rod next to the bosses? Not a permanent fix, but a great way to see
if this is where the sound was coming from.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

>
> Got a question for you guys.  I'm working on an engine and it has a knock
> in it and you only hear it when the engine is coasting down really slow
> but the slower it gets the louder it gets.  The noise is coming from the
> cylinder and it has been sleeved so that rules out egg shaped cylinder.
> Only thing that I can come up with is piston slap but I've taken a piston
> and rod out of an identical engine here and it does the same thing but the
> other engine doesn't make the noise and it's pretty irritating noise and
> is pretty loud.  You can't hear any loud knocking when the engine is
> running at a decent speed but only when slowed down to under 100 rpm that
> the noise starts.  Any ideas or suggestions are appreciated
>
> Thanks
> Tom Winland
> Ohio
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From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Jan 13 09:21:31 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 9:21:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Piston slap  ????
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W53BD80E3264B91C4412469C2D90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090113122131.KGOJQ.2956827.root@mp16>


---- Tom Winland <gasenginetom at hotmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> Got a question for you guys.  I'm working on an engine and it has a knock in it and you only hear it when the engine is coasting down really slow but the slower it gets the louder it gets.  The noise is coming from the cylinder and it has been sleeved so that rules out egg shaped cylinder.  Only thing that I can come up with is piston slap but I've taken a piston and rod out of an identical engine here and it does the same thing but the other engine doesn't make the noise and it's pretty irritating noise and is pretty loud.  You can't hear any loud knocking when the engine is running at a decent speed but only when slowed down to under 100 rpm that the noise starts.  Any ideas or suggestions are appreciated
>  
> Thanks
> Tom Winland
> Ohio
> 
 Watch the rod from the rear of the engine, see if it's moving side to side. I have a 12hp Hercules, the main brg is worn bad, crank is no longer parallel to the cylinder, rod flops back and forth at low speed.
J.B. Castagnos 


From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Jan 13 10:57:04 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:57:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] European Hell On Wheels Tour 2009
In-Reply-To: <000001c96ebd$b6504d00$22f0e700$@com>
References: <53080.96487.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059098B7D63@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

A little over a week ago I posted a message about having another
European engine tour.

This is a small tour group, only 4 people can go with us, as we will
travel around in a 9 passenger van.

I thought we had the group set, but then 2 of the people had to back out
due to various commitments.

So I'm back to looking for 2 more people to take the tour.

To join the tour, you would need to be at Amsterdam on Friday May 29th
by noon.
Sunday June 7th would be the last day of the tour with return flights
scheduled for Monday June 8th.  Of course you can stay longer on your
own, but I've got to return and get back to work!

We'll attend the Nuenen engine show, and then travel around Germany,
Holland, and Belgium to visit private collections and some public
collections.  We try to average a couple collections every day, so you
can expect to see around 20 collections during the 10 days.

A fair estimate of the tour cost would be about $2000, plus whatever
your airfare is.  Note: You don't pay Harry and me the $2000, that's
just an estimate on how much I think a person needs to budget for the
trip.

At the moment, Steve Royster and Larry Anger (both SEL members) are the
ones going with us.

If you're interested let me know.

George


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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jan 13 15:16:21 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:16:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] ESTA: New Entry Requirements for Travel to the United States
Message-ID: <8fd26044eea0e727101da5f4a27f8222.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Folks,

Our corporate travel mavens issued this advisory for our employees in other
countries and for our foreign customers and colleagues.

Since a number of engine folks also travel across the pond to the US, I figured this
would be good info to post here.  These revised rules went into affect on January
12th.

Now there are some Aussie and Kiwi sheep shaggers on the lists (who will remain
nameless) who may have some difficulty with the "Moral Turpitude" questions.

Crimes involving moral turpitude - Such offenses generally involve conduct which is
inherently base, vile, or depraved and contrary to the accepted rules of morality
and the duties owed to persons or society in general.

8-)))

See ya,  Arnie


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Specifically, the VWP consists of 27 countries, including Belgium, France, Germany,
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Under ESTA, travelers are required to submit basic biographical and eligibility
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From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Tue Jan 13 19:25:06 2009
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:25:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>

>

We leveled the pad before Christmas and today the Amish crew showed up  
and began erection of our new pole barn :-)  It's a 30'X60', 12' side  
walls with a 10'X30' porch.
I had a client who had ordered a pole barn to run their dog grooming/ 
pet supply business out of. The barn package was delivered to their  
site but before they could get it erected their plans changed and the  
parts sat in piles.
I contacted them and was able to purchase all the parts for a fraction  
of new.  We spent a couple of Saturdays hauling all the parts home and  
have been making arrangements for erection.  With any luck it should  
be done by the end of the week.
We've long since outgrown our existing barns and had some stuff  
sitting under blue tarps outside.  We're looking forward to filling it  
up and making room in our shop barn so we aren't tripping over "junk"  
all the time.
Keith


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From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Tue Jan 13 19:55:25 2009
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:55:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Piston slap  ????
Message-ID: <553466.12377.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Gday Tom

I've noticed a similiar problem on my Sundial 4HP, an Oz built horizontal engine, closed crankcase, 5" bore, thrott gov. All bearings tight (i.e. good) and no slop in a good bore, and fresh rings. As it coasts to a stop (use the magneto stop button) I get a audible knock from the crankcase at < 100RPM till it stops and a small fore-aft rocking. The knock is not coming from anywhere on the transporter.

Interested to hear suggestions you get, wondering maybe if being a throttle governed engine, and the butterfly almost closed, the (very good) compression could be doing it? Sounds just like a loose big end or gudgeon, but not in my case. It is really weird. What make is your engine?


Graham in Oz



Got a question for you guys.  I'm working on an engine and it has a knock in it and you only hear it when the engine is coasting down really slow but the slower it gets the louder it gets.  The noise is coming from the cylinder and it has been sleeved so that rules out egg shaped cylinder.  Only thing that I can come up with is piston slap but I've taken a piston and rod out of an identical engine here and it does the same thing but the other engine doesn't make the noise and it's pretty irritating noise and is pretty loud.  You can't hear any loud knocking when the engine is running at a decent speed but only when slowed down to under 100 rpm that the noise starts.  Any ideas or suggestions are appreciated

Thanks
Tom Winland
Ohio



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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 13 20:25:40 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:25:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Piston slap  ????
In-Reply-To: <553466.12377.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <553466.12377.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W33D75E6D3E764132F9617EC2D60@phx.gbl>


working on 4HP IH Famous hit and  miss> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:55:25 -0800> From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston slap ????> > Gday Tom> > I've noticed a similiar problem on my Sundial 4HP, an Oz built horizontal engine, closed crankcase, 5" bore, thrott gov. All bearings tight (i.e. good) and no slop in a good bore, and fresh rings. As it coasts to a stop (use the magneto stop button) I get a audible knock from the crankcase at < 100RPM till it stops and a small fore-aft rocking. The knock is not coming from anywhere on the transporter.> > Interested to hear suggestions you get, wondering maybe if being a throttle governed engine, and the butterfly almost closed, the (very good) compression could be doing it? Sounds just like a loose big end or gudgeon, but not in my case. It is really weird. What make is your engine?> > > Graham in Oz> > > > Got a question for you guys. I'm working on an engine and it has a knock in it and you only hear it when the engine is coasting down really slow but the slower it gets the louder it gets. The noise is coming from the cylinder and it has been sleeved so that rules out egg shaped cylinder. Only thing that I can come up with is piston slap but I've taken a piston and rod out of an identical engine here and it does the same thing but the other engine doesn't make the noise and it's pretty irritating noise and is pretty loud. You can't hear any loud knocking when the engine is running at a decent speed but only when slowed down to under 100 rpm that the noise starts. Any ideas or suggestions are appreciated> > Thanks> Tom Winland> Ohio> > > > Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From GRookus2 at comcast.net  Tue Jan 13 23:42:19 2009
From: GRookus2 at comcast.net (Gary Rookus)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:42:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] blue tarps
Message-ID: <57869ED8FD044D58B78070DD212109A7@gary>

keith; sounds like you the ideal setup. only wish i had the room for something like that.best of luck with your project,my barn is way to full of stuff to.problem is i dont have room for more buildings.

From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Jan 14 01:50:33 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:50:33 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT Thanks
Message-ID: <114ABFEA1AE2491F8F852EFBB36210B6@PML>

Many thanks to those who have sent notes of congratulations and
commiserations both on and off list. It is much appreciated to receive such
kind words from my extended family of engine collectors.
I am sorry I have not had a chance to respond to you all individually but I
am already back at work and our puppy, Petra, has been very, very ill since
we got home. She is improving but is still at the vetinary hospital. We are
hoping she may be home on the weekend.
All the best,
Patrick & Ann

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From k_armstrong at arach.net.au  Wed Jan 14 02:48:41 2009
From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:48:41 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Piston slap  ????
References: <20090113122131.KGOJQ.2956827.root@mp16>
Message-ID: <10F6E79A230641C9875321B7B7491D45@armstrong>

JBC,

If you know your engine to stuffed fix it, so you can say you have restored 
the engine to the high standard expected of a member of the old engine 
organization.

regards

Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member
V.C.C. of WA. member
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:21 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston slap ????


>
> ---- Tom Winland <gasenginetom at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Got a question for you guys.  I'm working on an engine and it has a knock 
>> in it and you only hear it when the engine is coasting down really slow 
>> but the slower it gets the louder it gets.  The noise is coming from the 
>> cylinder and it has been sleeved so that rules out egg shaped cylinder. 
>> Only thing that I can come up with is piston slap but I've taken a piston 
>> and rod out of an identical engine here and it does the same thing but 
>> the other engine doesn't make the noise and it's pretty irritating noise 
>> and is pretty loud.  You can't hear any loud knocking when the engine is 
>> running at a decent speed but only when slowed down to under 100 rpm that 
>> the noise starts.  Any ideas or suggestions are appreciated
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tom Winland
>> Ohio
>>
> Watch the rod from the rear of the engine, see if it's moving side to 
> side. I have a 12hp Hercules, the main brg is worn bad, crank is no longer 
> parallel to the cylinder, rod flops back and forth at low speed.
> J.B. Castagnos
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Jan 14 02:52:04 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:52:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Science Museum Pics
Message-ID: <726EC65D48E1477FAFB859F367CE658B@PML>

Some pictures I took on our visit to the London Science Museum at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lsm/index.htm

Enjoy!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jan 14 08:13:06 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:13:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEECEHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Keith:

Now that you're gonna have a lot more space, it just means that you'll get a lot more junk........er.......fine antique engines to take up all the available space.

I predict that within a year or so, you'll be just as crowded as you are now, blue tarps and all.

Take care - Elden  :-)
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Keith
> Kinney
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 09:25 PM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Cc: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
 
.................................snip.................................

> We're looking 
> forward to filling it  
> up and making room in our shop barn so we aren't 
> tripping over "junk"  
> all the time.
> Keith
> 
> 
> Keith Kinney
> kkinney at herculesengines.com
> WWW.HerculesEngines.com




From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jan 14 08:17:55 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:17:55 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Piston slap  ????
In-Reply-To: <553466.12377.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIECEHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

I've experienced the same oddball knock at cranking speed and found that it was caused by (as someone else has said) the little end of the rod clacking against one of the wrist pin bosses as the rod moved slithtly side to side.

In my case, it was on the little engine I recently built and I traced the problem to a very small misalignment of the rod journal on the crankshaft.  I fixed the problem by moving the crankshaft slightly so as to give a little more side clearance on one side of the little end of the rod.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Graham
> Harris
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 09:55 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston slap ????
> 
> 
> Gday Tom
> 
> I've noticed a similiar problem on my Sundial 
> 4HP, an Oz built horizontal engine, closed 
> crankcase, 5" bore, thrott gov. All bearings 
> tight (i.e. good) and no slop in a good bore, and 
> fresh rings. As it coasts to a stop (use the 
> magneto stop button) I get a audible knock from 
> the crankcase at < 100RPM till it stops and a 
> small fore-aft rocking. The knock is not coming 
> from anywhere on the transporter.
> 
> Interested to hear suggestions you get, wondering 
> maybe if being a throttle governed engine, and 
> the butterfly almost closed, the (very good) 
> compression could be doing it? Sounds just like a 
> loose big end or gudgeon, but not in my case. It 
> is really weird. What make is your engine?
> 
> 
> Graham in Oz
> 
> 
> 
> Got a question for you guys.  I'm working on an 
> engine and it has a knock in it and you only hear 
> it when the engine is coasting down really slow 
> but the slower it gets the louder it gets.  The 
> noise is coming from the cylinder and it has been 
> sleeved so that rules out egg shaped cylinder.  
> Only thing that I can come up with is piston slap 
> but I've taken a piston and rod out of an 
> identical engine here and it does the same thing 
> but the other engine doesn't make the noise and 
> it's pretty irritating noise and is pretty loud.  
> You can't hear any loud knocking when the engine 
> is running at a decent speed but only when slowed 
> down to under 100 rpm that the noise starts.  Any 
> ideas or suggestions are appreciated
> 
> Thanks
> Tom Winland
> Ohio
> 
> 
> 
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From ashpow at westnet.com.au  Wed Jan 14 12:11:21 2009
From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (Ash Powell)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:11:21 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue 2 1/4 wont start
Message-ID: <F847738C429747829105A02A5C13699B@MINIBEAST>

Hey all

I've almost finished my MV, unfortunately it wont start..
The timing is right, compression seems good, there is spark - it just wont start... ;p(

How fast do I need to spin it to start?
Can the timing be out 180 degrees?

What else should I be looking for?

Any help appreciated!

Thanks
Ash

From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Wed Jan 14 12:36:37 2009
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:36:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue 2 1/4 wont start
References: <F847738C429747829105A02A5C13699B@MINIBEAST>
Message-ID: <001301c97687$cca9ea80$0201010a@JBCooper>

Hi Ash,
There are two positions to connect the magneto. The coupling is a slotted 
fitting and you may have it 180 degrees out. Take out the plug and check if 
the points are opening at the top or the bottom of the stroke.
Good luck,
John,
Bega NSW.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ash Powell" <ashpow at westnet.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:11 AM
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue 2 1/4 wont start


>
> Hey all
>
> I've almost finished my MV, unfortunately it wont start..
> The timing is right, compression seems good, there is spark - it just wont 
> start... ;p(
>
> How fast do I need to spin it to start?
> Can the timing be out 180 degrees?
>
> What else should I be looking for?
>
> Any help appreciated!
>
> Thanks
> Ash
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Jan 14 14:03:37 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:03:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue 2 1/4 wont start
In-Reply-To: <001301c97687$cca9ea80$0201010a@JBCooper>
References: <F847738C429747829105A02A5C13699B@MINIBEAST>
	<001301c97687$cca9ea80$0201010a@JBCooper>
Message-ID: <20090114220332.0AAD91DCE4C@gex-cn03.gex.ncable.net.au>

Ash is your fuel getting up to the carby. I remember my first moffat 
was missing it's stop ball in the bottom of the fuel tube?? You could 
put a few drops of petrol in the spark plug hole to see if it fires also.
  You should not have to spin it very fast for it to fire up.

At 07:36 AM 15/01/2009, you wrote:
>Hi Ash,
>There are two positions to connect the magneto. The coupling is a slotted
>fitting and you may have it 180 degrees out. Take out the plug and check if
>the points are opening at the top or the bottom of the stroke.
>Good luck,
>John,
>Bega NSW.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ash Powell" <ashpow at westnet.com.au>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:11 AM
>Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue 2 1/4 wont start
>
>
> >
> > Hey all
> >
> > I've almost finished my MV, unfortunately it wont start..
> > The timing is right, compression seems good, there is spark - it just wont
> > start... ;p(
> >
> > How fast do I need to spin it to start?
> > Can the timing be out 180 degrees?
> >
> > What else should I be looking for?
> >
> > Any help appreciated!
> >
> > Thanks
> > Ash
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From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Wed Jan 14 16:35:23 2009
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:35:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] blue tarps
In-Reply-To: <57869ED8FD044D58B78070DD212109A7@gary>
References: <57869ED8FD044D58B78070DD212109A7@gary>
Message-ID: <30228F44-CAA4-40FC-9BD2-12CE1DEEDFE1@herculesengines.com>

We're blessed with 22 acres to fill up.  I don't expect we'll be  
adding any more barns but then I thought that was the case when we  
built the last one 14 years ago.
Keith

On Jan 14, 2009, at 1:42 AM, Gary Rookus wrote:

> keith; sounds like you the ideal setup. only wish i had the room for  
> something like that.best of luck with your project,my barn is way to  
> full of stuff to.problem is i dont have room for more buildings.
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From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Wed Jan 14 16:38:41 2009
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:38:41 -0600
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEECEHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEECEHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <B4C3BFA8-0FE7-4ABE-9CB5-E9866F318E66@herculesengines.com>

Elden
I'm afraid the barn will be full without even getting anything else.   
We're going to move stuff around between the barns and hopefully use  
the space more efficiently.
Here are some photo's of the process:
http://s592.photobucket.com/albums/tt1/KeithKinney/New%20Barn%20January%202009/?albumview=slideshow
Today they got all the trusses up, 75% of the roof purlins up and the  
porch trusses up.  I'll try to get some additional photo's tomorrow.
Keith


On Jan 14, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Elden DuRand wrote:

> Keith:
>
> Now that you're gonna have a lot more space, it just means that  
> you'll get a lot more junk........er.......fine antique engines to  
> take up all the available space.
>
> I predict that within a year or so, you'll be just as crowded as you  
> are now, blue tarps and all.
>
> Take care - Elden  :-)
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>> Behalf Of Keith
>> Kinney
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 09:25 PM
>> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>> Cc: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
>
> .................................snip.................................
>
>> We're looking
>> forward to filling it
>> up and making room in our shop barn so we aren't
>> tripping over "junk"
>> all the time.
>> Keith
>>
>>
>> Keith Kinney
>> kkinney at herculesengines.com
>> WWW.HerculesEngines.com
>
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Jan 15 02:55:29 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:55:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Potter_=26_Johnson_Machine_Company?=
Message-ID: <C0A2383E8CD345179019E0F941EDC2E1@peterlowe>

Hi all
Do any of our US friends know anything about the Potter & Johnson Machine Company circa 1917 + or -.
What did they specialize in, mills, crankshaft lathes etc???

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm

From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Jan 15 09:47:05 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:47:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <B4C3BFA8-0FE7-4ABE-9CB5-E9866F318E66@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEDEHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Keith:

There's nothing like having lots of space.....to fill with your very most favorite possessions.

For me, we've moved into a subdivision and I'm presently taking the chance that a committee will show up some day telling me to remove my little single axle cycle trailer from in front of my garage.  That's a LONG way from being in the middle of 17 acres!

I do have a nice shop, though.   :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Keith
> Kinney
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 06:39 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
> 
> 
> Elden
> I'm afraid the barn will be full without even 
> getting anything else.   
> We're going to move stuff around between the 
> barns and hopefully use  
> the space more efficiently.
> Here are some photo's of the process:
> http://s592.photobucket.com/albums/tt1/KeithKinney
> /New%20Barn%20January%202009/?albumview=slideshow
> Today they got all the trusses up, 75% of the 
> roof purlins up and the  
> porch trusses up.  I'll try to get some 
> additional photo's tomorrow.
> Keith
> 
> 
> On Jan 14, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Elden DuRand wrote:
> 
> > Keith:
> >
> > Now that you're gonna have a lot more space, it 
> just means that  
> > you'll get a lot more junk........er.......fine 
> antique engines to  
> > take up all the available space.
> >
> > I predict that within a year or so, you'll be 
> just as crowded as you  
> > are now, blue tarps and all.
> >
> > Take care - Elden  :-)




From andyglines at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 15 13:50:27 2009
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:50:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] blue tarps
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1232038802.21507.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.1.1232038802.21507.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <COL119-W58807726882DE1B3FA136DC7D70@phx.gbl>


You gotta love it when a good deal like that comes along.  I got a really good deal on a 54X60X16 building at an auction this summer.  Putting it up has been a big job but I can already see the Huber still loaded on the trailer parked in the barn with the truck still hooked up (grin). No unloading late at night from me!> 4. Re: blue tarps (Keith Kinney)>> From: Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>> Subject: Re: [SEL] blue tarps> We're blessed with 22 acres to fill up. I don't expect we'll be > adding any more barns but then I thought that was the case when we > built the last one 14 years ago.> Keith> > On Jan 14, 2009, at 1:42 AM, Gary Rookus wrote:> > > keith; sounds like you the ideal setup. only wish i had the room for > > something like that.best of luck with your project,my barn is way to > > full of stuff to.problem is i dont have room for more buildings.> > _______________________________________________
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jan 15 21:10:48 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:10:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Pics from the National Rail Museum, York
Message-ID: <0AAF0F1D2E954849BB886DB7E7BD55EA@PML>

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/nrm08/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From kosh at ncweb.com  Thu Jan 15 22:38:46 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 01:38:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Pics from the National Rail Museum, York
In-Reply-To: <0AAF0F1D2E954849BB886DB7E7BD55EA@PML>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090116013831.041cf4b0@ncweb.com>

Good stuff!

Dave Merchant

At 12:10 AM 1/16/2009, you wrote:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/nrm08/index.htm
>
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
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From gastzt at aol.com  Fri Jan 16 05:50:00 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:50:00 EST
Subject: [SEL] Pics from the National Rail Museum, York
Message-ID: <d68.3a0d0cf4.36a1ea88@aol.com>

incredible pics--and THANKS so much!
Stan Zettner
Old Stovers etc
Pleasanton, Texas
**************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's 
capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027)


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jan 16 06:13:22 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:13:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Pics from the National Rail Museum, York
In-Reply-To: <0AAF0F1D2E954849BB886DB7E7BD55EA@PML>
References: <0AAF0F1D2E954849BB886DB7E7BD55EA@PML>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS6E08EB854A9B5F2540058BBD40@phx.gbl>

THANKS PATRICK FOR TAKING THE TIME....GREAT MORNING FIX !!!  Especially 
liked the steam stuff.

Regards,
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:10 PM
Subject: [SEL] Pics from the National Rail Museum, York


> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/nrm08/index.htm
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jan 16 12:44:30 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:44:30 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Pics from the National Rail Museum, York
References: <d68.3a0d0cf4.36a1ea88@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1C2C9BDA227747A9908C9F62FB2FF3CF@REG>

I was amazed by the presentation and finish of the exhibits but, moreso by 
the almost total lack of people! Time of year perhaps?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <gastzt at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Pics from the National Rail Museum, York


> incredible pics--and THANKS so much!
> Stan Zettner
> Old Stovers etc
> Pleasanton, Texas
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> capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027)
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jan 16 12:56:42 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:56:42 -0800
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <B4C3BFA8-0FE7-4ABE-9CB5-E9866F318E66@herculesengines.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEECEHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<B4C3BFA8-0FE7-4ABE-9CB5-E9866F318E66@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <b90e9ef79afdf7b7cb8e2ad2d3c1e3f9@dickerson-design.com>

I really wish I'd made mine just a couple feet larger each direction, but I
was pushing the budget - more width, heftier trusses and much more expense.
It's 30 wide by 36 long with an attic/loft which will be my wood working
shop.
Cars below.........
http://theamcpages.com/new-garage.asp

Bill

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:38:41 -0600, Keith Kinney
<kkinney at herculesengines.com> wrote:
> Elden
> I'm afraid the barn will be full without even getting anything else.
> We're going to move stuff around between the barns and hopefully use
> the space more efficiently.
> Here are some photo's of the process:
>
http://s592.photobucket.com/albums/tt1/KeithKinney/New%20Barn%20January%202009/?albumview=slideshow
> Today they got all the trusses up, 75% of the roof purlins up and the
> porch trusses up.  I'll try to get some additional photo's tomorrow.
> Keith
> 
> 
> On Jan 14, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Elden DuRand wrote:
> 
>> Keith:
>>
>> Now that you're gonna have a lot more space, it just means that
>> you'll get a lot more junk........er.......fine antique engines to
>> take up all the available space.
>>
>> I predict that within a year or so, you'll be just as crowded as you
>> are now, blue tarps and all.
>>
>> Take care - Elden  :-)
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>> Behalf Of Keith
>>> Kinney
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 09:25 PM
>>> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>>> Cc: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
>>
>> .................................snip.................................
>>
>>> We're looking
>>> forward to filling it
>>> up and making room in our shop barn so we aren't
>>> tripping over "junk"
>>> all the time.
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>> Keith Kinney
>>> kkinney at herculesengines.com
>>> WWW.HerculesEngines.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> Keith Kinney
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> 
> 
> 
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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Fri Jan 16 14:17:42 2009
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:17:42 -0800
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <b90e9ef79afdf7b7cb8e2ad2d3c1e3f9@dickerson-design.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEECEHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<B4C3BFA8-0FE7-4ABE-9CB5-E9866F318E66@herculesengines.com>
	<b90e9ef79afdf7b7cb8e2ad2d3c1e3f9@dickerson-design.com>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0901161417n6f63c150he5d15628fb166d32@mail.gmail.com>

I love to hear those shop dimensions and see those sheds and I must say that
I'm a little jealous because I can't afford anything like that. My friend
sold a lot that is 50 x 75 feet for $1,138,000 and it wasn't in the best
area of San Francisco. At over $300.00 a foot, you can buy a Maytag for less
that it cost to store it.

Poor Paul in SanFran


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jan 16 23:37:21 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:37:21 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Pics from the National Rail Museum, York
In-Reply-To: <1C2C9BDA227747A9908C9F62FB2FF3CF@REG>
References: <d68.3a0d0cf4.36a1ea88@aol.com>
	<1C2C9BDA227747A9908C9F62FB2FF3CF@REG>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901162337x3720789ci5f9b54f17e28d2b9@mail.gmail.com>

On 16/01/2009, R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
> I was amazed by the presentation and finish of the exhibits but, moreso by
> the almost total lack of people! Time of year perhaps?
> Reg & Marg Ingold.

It's never that busy, look at the pictures we took when we were there
a few years ago, not a huge volume of people at all.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
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http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jan 17 14:47:23 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:47:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] More Pics from the trip
Message-ID: <1371B4336F48485DADD59874696A6160@PML>

Here are some pictures I took of some of the old machinery, ships,
cable-cars etc. that I spotted in San Francisco:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/sf09/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 17 16:44:44 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:44:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] More Pics from the trip
Message-ID: <855706.43002.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks muchly for this picture,
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/sf09/pages/DSCF2275_JPG.htm

I have a pump much like this one that came off a Great Lakes ship that was old and 
tired so they brought it into the local inland lakes.

 It sank in the center one of the three connected lakes near here.

The pump was brought up after it had spent 30 years sunk.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Patrick M Livingstone <pml1 at bigpond.net.au> wrote:

From: Patrick M Livingstone <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
Subject: [SEL] More Pics from the trip
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>, "Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 5:47 PM

Here are some pictures I took of some of the old machinery, ships,
cable-cars etc. that I spotted in San Francisco:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/sf09/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html


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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jan 17 17:20:31 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:20:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] More Pics from the trip
In-Reply-To: <1371B4336F48485DADD59874696A6160@PML>
Message-ID: <1FE2806274B5467B86A290EAD65B4449@larue10ijlvccx>

Great photos Patrick.  Looks like you got to see some nice sites while
here in the US.  Congratulations and here's wishing you many years of
happiness.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
Livingstone
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:47 PM
To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List
Subject: [SEL] More Pics from the trip

Here are some pictures I took of some of the old machinery, ships,
cable-cars etc. that I spotted in San Francisco:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/sf09/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Jan 17 21:46:21 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:46:21 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT anyone in Kansas City
Message-ID: <20090118054608.A98FA4EAF6@gex-cn01.gex.ncable.net.au>

Hi folks, I was wondering if any of you guys are from Kansas city and 
have a liking for cars?? I'm kinda wanting an opinion on a corvette 
that is for sale there?
regards Russell



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sat Jan 17 22:40:04 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:40:04 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT anyone in Kansas City
In-Reply-To: <20090118054608.A98FA4EAF6@gex-cn01.gex.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <20090118064005.20292444827@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi Russell, Does it have metal bumpers? Jimmy O'Hagan

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Gilbert
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:46 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] OT anyone in Kansas City

Hi folks, I was wondering if any of you guys are from Kansas city and 
have a liking for cars?? I'm kinda wanting an opinion on a corvette 
that is for sale there?
regards Russell

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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jan 18 03:23:09 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:23:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Pics from the National Rail Museum, York
In-Reply-To: <1C2C9BDA227747A9908C9F62FB2FF3CF@REG>
References: <d68.3a0d0cf4.36a1ea88@aol.com>
	<1C2C9BDA227747A9908C9F62FB2FF3CF@REG>
Message-ID: <8DEF6621FF1848DC983506255C2B3037@PML>

The Locomotives and rolling stock are very well presented even the
operational locomotives are spotless. There were a reasonable number of
people there but not a big crowd. It was the week before Christmas and
b***dy freezing.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

-----Original Message-----


I was amazed by the presentation and finish of the exhibits but, moreso by 
the almost total lack of people! Time of year perhaps?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jan 18 07:50:34 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:50:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] OT anyone in Kansas City
In-Reply-To: <20090118054608.A98FA4EAF6@gex-cn01.gex.ncable.net.au>
References: <20090118054608.A98FA4EAF6@gex-cn01.gex.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <1fe1051fd8903ede737691f40f6a9038.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Russell,

FAGEDDABOUTIT.  It'll NEVER fit in your carry-on.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, January 18, 2009 12:46 am, Russell Gilbert wrote:
> Hi folks, I was wondering if any of you guys are from Kansas city and
> have a liking for cars?? I'm kinda wanting an opinion on a corvette
> that is for sale there?




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From oldengine at comcast.net  Sun Jan 18 10:31:33 2009
From: oldengine at comcast.net (Harry)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:31:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
Message-ID: <59E57ADAAC3D4FBF97E4FB498A9BE108@OLDENGINE>

The 300 HP SNOW Gas Compressor engine at the Florida Flywheelers 2009 swap 
meet.

Video in High Definition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ&fmt=18


Regular definition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ

-- Harry



From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jan 18 11:06:29 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:06:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
In-Reply-To: <59E57ADAAC3D4FBF97E4FB498A9BE108@OLDENGINE>
Message-ID: <260D6F7264D1417CA67FFC4FA27D56C4@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Great HD video Harry.  I have DSL but I thought it might not be fast
enough to stay ahead of the stream but it did.  I'm watching on my
laptop (sitting on the couch in the living room) via a wireless G
router.  I'm going to get an N router as I've heard they are 3 or 4
times faster than the G.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Harry
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:32 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


The 300 HP SNOW Gas Compressor engine at the Florida Flywheelers 2009
swap 
meet.

Video in High Definition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ&fmt=18


Regular definition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ

-- Harry

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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Sun Jan 18 12:37:19 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:37:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
References: <59E57ADAAC3D4FBF97E4FB498A9BE108@OLDENGINE>
Message-ID: <04fe01c979ac$8f48f9b0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

How much gas does the Snow use per hour?  Do both cylinders fire?  Love 
those 6 feed Richardson Phenix lubricators!

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harry" <oldengine at comcast.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:31 PM
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


> The 300 HP SNOW Gas Compressor engine at the Florida Flywheelers 2009 swap
> meet.
>
> Video in High Definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ&fmt=18
>
>
> Regular definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ
>
> -- Harry
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun Jan 18 13:35:59 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:35:59 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT anyone in Kansas City
In-Reply-To: <20090118064005.20292444827@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20090118054608.A98FA4EAF6@gex-cn01.gex.ncable.net.au>
	<20090118064005.20292444827@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <20090118213545.AE38190169@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>

Hi Jim, this particular one - NO.
Saying this however It has already been sold.  :-(
Russell


At 05:40 PM 18/01/2009, you wrote:
>Hi Russell, Does it have metal bumpers? Jimmy O'Hagan
>
>Jim O'Hagan
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell
>Gilbert
>Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:46 PM
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] OT anyone in Kansas City
>
>Hi folks, I was wondering if any of you guys are from Kansas city and
>have a liking for cars?? I'm kinda wanting an opinion on a corvette
>that is for sale there?
>regards Russell
>
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>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 13:49:48 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:49:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
Message-ID: <215008.93007.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the nice video, Harry.
That is a cute little Snow engine.
When we get the big one here and running maybe you would like to come see it.
Alan in Michigan

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Harry <oldengine at comcast.net> wrote:

From: Harry <oldengine at comcast.net>
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 1:31 PM

The 300 HP SNOW Gas Compressor engine at the Florida Flywheelers 2009 swap 
meet.

Video in High Definition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ&fmt=18


Regular definition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ

-- Harry

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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Sun Jan 18 14:16:48 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:16:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
References: <215008.93007.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <051001c979ba$74ce87e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

What big engine?  Ain't nothin bigger than the dozen that I occasionally 
play with! :)

http://news.webshots.com/photo/2392627320033749120EtTMyK?vhost=news

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


> Thanks for the nice video, Harry.
> That is a cute little Snow engine.
> When we get the big one here and running maybe you would like to come see 
> it.
> Alan in Michigan
>
> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Harry <oldengine at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> From: Harry <oldengine at comcast.net>
> Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 1:31 PM
>
> The 300 HP SNOW Gas Compressor engine at the Florida Flywheelers 2009 swap
> meet.
>
> Video in High Definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ&fmt=18
>
>
> Regular definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ
>
> -- Harry
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 14:57:03 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:57:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
Message-ID: <423723.41438.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I said, "Cute little Snow engine."
Ours  is an 1100 HP 1907 twin tandem, double acting, horizontal gas engine.
It is like the 600HP ones only with another set of cylinders.
I never said it was the largest engine.
It is just the biggest remaining Snow.
There is some talk here of it being the oldest remaining Snow too.
I?don't know if that is true.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com> wrote:

From: Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 5:16 PM

What big engine?? Ain't nothin bigger than the dozen that I occasionally 
play with! :)

http://news.webshots.com/photo/2392627320033749120EtTMyK?vhost=news

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


> Thanks for the nice video, Harry.
> That is a cute little Snow engine.
> When we get the big one here and running maybe you would like to come see 
> it.
> Alan in Michigan
>
> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Harry <oldengine at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> From: Harry <oldengine at comcast.net>
> Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 1:31 PM
>
> The 300 HP SNOW Gas Compressor engine at the Florida Flywheelers 2009 swap
> meet.
>
> Video in High Definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ&fmt=18
>
>
> Regular definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ
>
> -- Harry
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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> 

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From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Sun Jan 18 15:02:24 2009
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:02:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
In-Reply-To: <04fe01c979ac$8f48f9b0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <59E57ADAAC3D4FBF97E4FB498A9BE108@OLDENGINE>
	<04fe01c979ac$8f48f9b0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <783D47D84CC04D0D80192034DFAF185E@Eagle>

	There are 4 firing chambers, One at each end of both cylinders with
combustion gases pushing both faces of the pistons. There are dual ignitors
at each end of the cylinders. We probably don't want to know how much gas it
uses. The stroke is 36" and the bore is 20" for the 400hp and I believe the
600hp is over 24". Running speed is about 110 rpm.  


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tod Engine
Foundation
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:37 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video

How much gas does the Snow use per hour?  Do both cylinders fire?  Love
those 6 feed Richardson Phenix lubricators!

Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry" <oldengine at comcast.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:31 PM
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


> The 300 HP SNOW Gas Compressor engine at the Florida Flywheelers 2009 swap
> meet.
>
> Video in High Definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ&fmt=18
>
>
> Regular definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ
>
> -- Harry
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 

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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Sun Jan 18 15:19:51 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:19:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
References: <423723.41438.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <052801c979c3$43c30e10$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

I didn't know that there were any other twin tandems left other than the 
four at Beth Steel.  How far along is the reassembly project?

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


I said, "Cute little Snow engine."
Ours  is an 1100 HP 1907 twin tandem, double acting, horizontal gas engine.
It is like the 600HP ones only with another set of cylinders.
I never said it was the largest engine.
It is just the biggest remaining Snow.
There is some talk here of it being the oldest remaining Snow too.
I don't know if that is true.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com> 
wrote:

From: Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 5:16 PM

What big engine? Ain't nothin bigger than the dozen that I occasionally
play with! :)

http://news.webshots.com/photo/2392627320033749120EtTMyK?vhost=news

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


> Thanks for the nice video, Harry.
> That is a cute little Snow engine.
> When we get the big one here and running maybe you would like to come see
> it.
> Alan in Michigan
>
> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Harry <oldengine at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> From: Harry <oldengine at comcast.net>
> Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 1:31 PM
>
> The 300 HP SNOW Gas Compressor engine at the Florida Flywheelers 2009 swap
> meet.
>
> Video in High Definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ&fmt=18
>
>
> Regular definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ
>
> -- Harry
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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>

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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Sun Jan 18 15:21:41 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:21:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
References: <59E57ADAAC3D4FBF97E4FB498A9BE108@OLDENGINE><04fe01c979ac$8f48f9b0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<783D47D84CC04D0D80192034DFAF185E@Eagle>
Message-ID: <052f01c979c3$855ae500$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

Actually I do want to know as it will give an idea of the amounts needed to 
fire a 42" dia. x 60" stroke cylinder.  I suppose whatever the fuel 
consumption would be we should double or triple it!

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Willman" <blcksmth at wcnet.org>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


> There are 4 firing chambers, One at each end of both cylinders with
> combustion gases pushing both faces of the pistons. There are dual 
> ignitors
> at each end of the cylinders. We probably don't want to know how much gas 
> it
> uses. The stroke is 36" and the bore is 20" for the 400hp and I believe 
> the
> 600hp is over 24". Running speed is about 110 rpm.
>
>
> Bob Willman
> Bowling Green, Ohio
> The Eagle's Anvil
> WB8NQW
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tod Engine
> Foundation
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:37 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
>
> How much gas does the Snow use per hour?  Do both cylinders fire?  Love
> those 6 feed Richardson Phenix lubricators!
>
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harry" <oldengine at comcast.net>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:31 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
>
>
>> The 300 HP SNOW Gas Compressor engine at the Florida Flywheelers 2009 
>> swap
>> meet.
>>
>> Video in High Definition:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ&fmt=18
>>
>>
>> Regular definition:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ
>>
>> -- Harry
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 19 04:28:42 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 04:28:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
Message-ID: <282554.48536.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I just looked at your pictures.
Those look like newer and smaller engines than our Snow.
The only pictures of our Snow that i have are one my Buckley calendars.
Maybe I should try out my scanner.
So far our guys have just brought home the govner assembly and loosen up a lot of other parts.
This year is supposed to be the hauling year.
Our Snow is just a bit over 65' long and 20' wide.
It is estimated at 445,000 pounds.
If you look at this 600 hp one at Rollag ours is like it except there is a matching set of 
those cylinders on the other side of the flywheel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcjt0uQDbxw&feature=related

Ours is older than Rollag's 600hp one because I just noticed the Worthington Pump tag 
on theirs. ?What I have here says that happened in 1915.
Like I wrote before, Our Snow was built in 1907.

Alan in Michigan


--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com> wrote:

From: Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 6:19 PM

I didn't know that there were any other twin tandems left other than the 
four at Beth Steel.? How far along is the reassembly project?

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


I said, "Cute little Snow engine."
Ours? is an 1100 HP 1907 twin tandem, double acting, horizontal gas engine.
It is like the 600HP ones only with another set of cylinders.
I never said it was the largest engine.
It is just the biggest remaining Snow.
There is some talk here of it being the oldest remaining Snow too.
I don't know if that is true.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com> 
wrote:

From: Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 5:16 PM

What big engine? Ain't nothin bigger than the dozen that I occasionally
play with! :)

http://news.webshots.com/photo/2392627320033749120EtTMyK?vhost=news

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


> Thanks for the nice video, Harry.
> That is a cute little Snow engine.
> When we get the big one here and running maybe you would like to come see
> it.
> Alan in Michigan
>
> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Harry <oldengine at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> From: Harry <oldengine at comcast.net>
> Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 1:31 PM
>
> The 300 HP SNOW Gas Compressor engine at the Florida Flywheelers 2009 swap
> meet.
>
> Video in High Definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ&fmt=18
>
>
> Regular definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ
>
> -- Harry
>
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 19 05:33:23 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:33:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
References: <282554.48536.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003101c97a3a$80b29990$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

The Bethlehem design dates back to approx. 1905 so the age of first four or 
five engines in the blowing engine house are about as old as your Snow.

I think from end to end the Beth engines are approx. 81 feet long.

Go get some pictures of it.  I'm anxious to see what it looks like.  I just 
love big engines.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


I just looked at your pictures.
Those look like newer and smaller engines than our Snow.
The only pictures of our Snow that i have are one my Buckley calendars.
Maybe I should try out my scanner.
So far our guys have just brought home the govner assembly and loosen up a 
lot of other parts.
This year is supposed to be the hauling year.
Our Snow is just a bit over 65' long and 20' wide.
It is estimated at 445,000 pounds.
If you look at this 600 hp one at Rollag ours is like it except there is a 
matching set of
those cylinders on the other side of the flywheel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcjt0uQDbxw&feature=related

Ours is older than Rollag's 600hp one because I just noticed the Worthington 
Pump tag
on theirs. What I have here says that happened in 1915.
Like I wrote before, Our Snow was built in 1907.

Alan in Michigan


--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com> 
wrote:

From: Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 6:19 PM

I didn't know that there were any other twin tandems left other than the
four at Beth Steel. How far along is the reassembly project?

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


I said, "Cute little Snow engine."
Ours is an 1100 HP 1907 twin tandem, double acting, horizontal gas engine.
It is like the 600HP ones only with another set of cylinders.
I never said it was the largest engine.
It is just the biggest remaining Snow.
There is some talk here of it being the oldest remaining Snow too.
I don't know if that is true.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

From: Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 5:16 PM

What big engine? Ain't nothin bigger than the dozen that I occasionally
play with! :)

http://news.webshots.com/photo/2392627320033749120EtTMyK?vhost=news

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


> Thanks for the nice video, Harry.
> That is a cute little Snow engine.
> When we get the big one here and running maybe you would like to come see
> it.
> Alan in Michigan
>
> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Harry <oldengine at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> From: Harry <oldengine at comcast.net>
> Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 1:31 PM
>
> The 300 HP SNOW Gas Compressor engine at the Florida Flywheelers 2009 swap
> meet.
>
> Video in High Definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ&fmt=18
>
>
> Regular definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ
>
> -- Harry
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Jan 19 09:31:07 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:31:07 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Better late than never. making up this calendar was more work than 
I imagined plus I've had a lot of other things to do just lately.

         What I've done is put up January to June so far, at least you can 
use that so long. I should finish the rest within a few days then I'll 
upload that.

         There are still pics submitted by some of you that I'm going to 
use in the second half so expect some email from me asking for details.

         Thanks for swamping me with pics  after my last request and I've 
used as many of them as possible but unfortunately many of the pics of 
really nice engines were unusable. Some reasons follow:
         a) Badly composed pics - things like important parts of the engine 
or trolley cut off in the pic or taken from a bad angle with lighting from 
the wrong side.
         c) Cluttered background or rubbish lying around or behind the 
subject (engine).
         d) Low resolution pics - some even had the eBay logo in them :-)

         January to June 2009 can be found in a zip file here:

<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/cal1.zip>

         It is 3.8 Megabytes - sorry dialup guys - any smaller and the 
resolution would be really terrible.

         Note that there is not a link to it on that page but the file is 
there. Clicking on the link above should automatically start the download 
to your computer. If anyone does not know how to handle zip files contact me.

         Enjoy!

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jan 19 14:31:47 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:31:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <16B87A9530DD46659432EE6075B19C47@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Great work Jerry!  

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Evans
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:31 PM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar


Hi All,
         Better late than never. making up this calendar was more work
than 
I imagined plus I've had a lot of other things to do just lately.

         What I've done is put up January to June so far, at least you
can 
use that so long. I should finish the rest within a few days then I'll 
upload that.

         There are still pics submitted by some of you that I'm going to

use in the second half so expect some email from me asking for details.

         Thanks for swamping me with pics  after my last request and
I've 
used as many of them as possible but unfortunately many of the pics of 
really nice engines were unusable. Some reasons follow:
         a) Badly composed pics - things like important parts of the
engine 
or trolley cut off in the pic or taken from a bad angle with lighting
from 
the wrong side.
         c) Cluttered background or rubbish lying around or behind the 
subject (engine).
         d) Low resolution pics - some even had the eBay logo in them
:-)

         January to June 2009 can be found in a zip file here:

<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/cal1.zip>

         It is 3.8 Megabytes - sorry dialup guys - any smaller and the 
resolution would be really terrible.

         Note that there is not a link to it on that page but the file
is 
there. Clicking on the link above should automatically start the
download 
to your computer. If anyone does not know how to handle zip files
contact me.

         Enjoy!

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>



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From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Jan 19 15:49:55 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:49:55 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEGEHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

Thanks for the calendar (the first half).  I was surprised to see my image on there.  

Who'da ever thunk this 'ol Kaintuck would ever git on one of them thair calendar thaings??!!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:31 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
> 
> 
> Hi All,
>          Better late than never. making up this 
> calendar was more work than 
> I imagined plus I've had a lot of other things to 
> do just lately.

.....................................snip...................................
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Jan 19 14:56:05 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:56:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <000e01c97a89$1c113dd0$66674b47@mikecomp>

Jerry:

  Great work!  Only one correction, that's Rob Skinner on the tricycle, not 
me!

Thanks for your beautiful efforts.

Mike Royster

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:31 PM
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar


> Hi All,
>         Better late than never. making up this calendar was more work than
> I imagined plus I've had a lot of other things to do just lately.
>
>         What I've done is put up January to June so far, at least you can
> use that so long. I should finish the rest within a few days then I'll
> upload that.
>
>         There are still pics submitted by some of you that I'm going to
> use in the second half so expect some email from me asking for details.
>
>         Thanks for swamping me with pics  after my last request and I've
> used as many of them as possible but unfortunately many of the pics of
> really nice engines were unusable. Some reasons follow:
>         a) Badly composed pics - things like important parts of the engine
> or trolley cut off in the pic or taken from a bad angle with lighting from
> the wrong side.
>         c) Cluttered background or rubbish lying around or behind the
> subject (engine).
>         d) Low resolution pics - some even had the eBay logo in them :-)
>
>         January to June 2009 can be found in a zip file here:
>
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/cal1.zip>
>
>         It is 3.8 Megabytes - sorry dialup guys - any smaller and the
> resolution would be really terrible.
>
>         Note that there is not a link to it on that page but the file is
> there. Clicking on the link above should automatically start the download
> to your computer. If anyone does not know how to handle zip files contact 
> me.
>
>         Enjoy!
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From avanti_64 at juno.com  Mon Jan 19 17:11:23 2009
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 01:11:23 GMT
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
Message-ID: <20090119.201123.23315.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

Thanks Jerry!
Nice piece of work!
Joe

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From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Mon Jan 19 17:51:30 2009
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:51:30 +0900
Subject: [SEL] White metal (help from the aussies?)
Message-ID: <00d401c97aa1$9e3c3900$210110ac@Chester>

Hi guys, looking to purchase some white metal / babbit, from consolidated alloys, i need this for big end & main bearings for my aermotor, the trouble is which alloy do i need?, there is heaps of different grades, i have never poured bearings before so it will be a big learning curve, cheers from west aussie,
Chester.

From ilifa at internode.on.net  Mon Jan 19 18:15:10 2009
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:15:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] White metal (help from the aussies?)
In-Reply-To: <00d401c97aa1$9e3c3900$210110ac@Chester>
References: <00d401c97aa1$9e3c3900$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <968D46D4-49A6-4560-A56A-FFC75FFD8B94@internode.on.net>

What I would do is ask Consolidated Alloys. They would know more than  
any of us. Just tell them what you want to re-metal.

Eric


> Hi guys, looking to purchase some white metal / babbit, from  
> consolidated alloys, i need this for big end & main bearings for my  
> aermotor, the trouble is which alloy do i need?, there is heaps of  
> different grades, i have never poured bearings before so it will be  
> a big learning curve, cheers from west aussie,
> Chester.


From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Mon Jan 19 18:50:15 2009
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 11:50:15 +0900
Subject: [SEL] White metal (help from the aussies?)
References: <00d401c97aa1$9e3c3900$210110ac@Chester>
	<968D46D4-49A6-4560-A56A-FFC75FFD8B94@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <00de01c97aa9$d2c705d0$210110ac@Chester>

Eric i asked them & they will not comment, they said the buyer should know 
what he wants, thanks.
Chester.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Schulz" <ilifa at internode.on.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] White metal (help from the aussies?)


> What I would do is ask Consolidated Alloys. They would know more than
> any of us. Just tell them what you want to re-metal.
>
> Eric
>
>
>> Hi guys, looking to purchase some white metal / babbit, from
>> consolidated alloys, i need this for big end & main bearings for my
>> aermotor, the trouble is which alloy do i need?, there is heaps of
>> different grades, i have never poured bearings before so it will be
>> a big learning curve, cheers from west aussie,
>> Chester.
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jan 19 19:20:30 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:20:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <000e01c97a89$1c113dd0$66674b47@mikecomp>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<000e01c97a89$1c113dd0$66674b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <46660dfa33127f9fd4c05662cc292cc5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Oh sure Mike, as soon as the coppers start sniffing around you want to try and put
them off the scent and sic 'em on poor ol' Rob.  You are SUCH a low life.
Your brother was right about you!!

See ya,  Arnie

> Great work!  Only one correction, that's Rob Skinner on the tricycle, not me!
> Mike Royster




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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 19 19:28:42 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:28:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] White metal (help from the aussies?)
References: <00d401c97aa1$9e3c3900$210110ac@Chester><968D46D4-49A6-4560-A56A-FFC75FFD8B94@internode.on.net>
	<00de01c97aa9$d2c705d0$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <018c01c97aaf$320ae4d0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

The buyer then should know that he does not want to buy from that concern!

Genuine babbitt is the best all around grade to use. I don't know what 
number it is, most just call it "genuine".

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] White metal (help from the aussies?)


> Eric i asked them & they will not comment, they said the buyer should know
> what he wants, thanks.
> Chester.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eric Schulz" <ilifa at internode.on.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] White metal (help from the aussies?)
>
>
>> What I would do is ask Consolidated Alloys. They would know more than
>> any of us. Just tell them what you want to re-metal.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>> Hi guys, looking to purchase some white metal / babbit, from
>>> consolidated alloys, i need this for big end & main bearings for my
>>> aermotor, the trouble is which alloy do i need?, there is heaps of
>>> different grades, i have never poured bearings before so it will be
>>> a big learning curve, cheers from west aussie,
>>> Chester.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jan 19 19:42:07 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:42:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <c3f44841ddd0c3cf0796aab0c9427baa.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Jerry,

You may not realize it, but the "SEL'S Belles" are displayed in the world famous
"Missing Woman Formation."  That empty space between Mel & Missy and Kelley & Susan
is where Dolly is supposed to be.  Maybe ONE DAY we'll be able to talk her into
returning to Portland.

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, January 19, 2009 12:31 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
>          What I've done is put up January to June so far, at least you can
> use that so long. I should finish the rest within a few days then I'll
> upload that.
>          January to June 2009 can be found in a zip file here:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/cal1.zip>




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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jan 19 21:30:47 2009
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:30:47 -0800
Subject: [SEL] White metal (help from the aussies?)
In-Reply-To: <00de01c97aa9$d2c705d0$210110ac@Chester>
References: <00d401c97aa1$9e3c3900$210110ac@Chester>
	<968D46D4-49A6-4560-A56A-FFC75FFD8B94@internode.on.net>
	<00de01c97aa9$d2c705d0$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <D5B30A68-74B5-43EF-BFE2-CDEFA330F863@rustyiron.com>


On Jan 19, 2009, at 6:50 PM, Chester Smith wrote:

> Eric i asked them & they will not comment, they said the buyer  
> should know
> what he wants, thanks.
> Chester.

Like Rick said, Chester, if they're jerks, find another vendor.  If  
you have no other options, just tell them #11.  Honestly, for your  
purposes, the differences won't amount to a hill of beans.

Rob




















From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jan 19 22:24:35 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:24:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<c3f44841ddd0c3cf0796aab0c9427baa.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <F514AFDAEC5D4B2EA3C1D4247021B318@REG>

Arnie, mate, Ya want Dolly there?
Here's how.
Pay for Chris to do Uni!!!
Our world has changed.
Now, PARENTS aint clear of the 'kid expense' until they( the kids) are ready 
to go on the old age pension!! (And then some!!)
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar


> Hi Jerry,
>
> You may not realize it, but the "SEL'S Belles" are displayed in the world 
> famous
> "Missing Woman Formation."  That empty space between Mel & Missy and 
> Kelley & Susan
> is where Dolly is supposed to be.  Maybe ONE DAY we'll be able to talk her 
> into
> returning to Portland.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Mon, January 19, 2009 12:31 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
>>          What I've done is put up January to June so far, at least you 
>> can
>> use that so long. I should finish the rest within a few days then I'll
>> upload that.
>>          January to June 2009 can be found in a zip file here:
>> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/cal1.zip>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> believed to be clean.
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jan 19 23:13:32 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:13:32 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<c3f44841ddd0c3cf0796aab0c9427baa.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43B8C1ADD86943B6A99E06114564A28B@REG>

Arnie, mate, Ya want Dolly there?
Here's how.
Pay for Chris to do Uni!!!
Our world has changed.
Now, PARENTS aint clear of the 'kid expense' until they( the kids) are ready
to go on the old age pension!! (And then some!!)

PS. I love the thought behind your email
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar


> Hi Jerry,
>
> You may not realize it, but the "SEL'S Belles" are displayed in the world
> famous
> "Missing Woman Formation."  That empty space between Mel & Missy and
> Kelley & Susan
> is where Dolly is supposed to be.  Maybe ONE DAY we'll be able to talk her
> into
> returning to Portland.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Mon, January 19, 2009 12:31 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
>>          What I've done is put up January to June so far, at least you
>> can
>> use that so long. I should finish the rest within a few days then I'll
>> upload that.
>>          January to June 2009 can be found in a zip file here:
>> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/cal1.zip>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> believed to be clean.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jan 19 23:13:37 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:13:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<c3f44841ddd0c3cf0796aab0c9427baa.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <F4384CEB18AF4042B2B8B5144F595C84@REG>

Arnie, mate, Ya want Dolly there?
Here's how.
Pay for Chris to do Uni!!!
Our world has changed.
Now, PARENTS aint clear of the 'kid expense' until they( the kids) are ready
to go on the old age pension!! (And then some!!)

PS. I love the thought behind your email
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar


> Hi Jerry,
>
> You may not realize it, but the "SEL'S Belles" are displayed in the world
> famous
> "Missing Woman Formation."  That empty space between Mel & Missy and
> Kelley & Susan
> is where Dolly is supposed to be.  Maybe ONE DAY we'll be able to talk her
> into
> returning to Portland.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Mon, January 19, 2009 12:31 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
>>          What I've done is put up January to June so far, at least you
>> can
>> use that so long. I should finish the rest within a few days then I'll
>> upload that.
>>          January to June 2009 can be found in a zip file here:
>> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/cal1.zip>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> believed to be clean.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Jan 20 15:01:01 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 08:01:01 +0900
Subject: [SEL] White metal (help from the aussies?)
References: <00d401c97aa1$9e3c3900$210110ac@Chester><968D46D4-49A6-4560-A56A-FFC75FFD8B94@internode.on.net><00de01c97aa9$d2c705d0$210110ac@Chester>
	<D5B30A68-74B5-43EF-BFE2-CDEFA330F863@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <BD0C9CEE2EB94008BA1E62293E6C906E@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Chester ,I can lend you the Hoyt book on the Lined Bearing.As others have 
said  dont get too fussy about the grade .Are you going to pour around the 
journals or do you intend making a jig to hold the shells.The Hoyts book 
will give you some ideas on making the jig.I just did the mains for that big 
engine of mine .I had a few blow holes but the old remedy for this is to 
fill them with soft solder......for our purpose this will be OK . As a 
matter of interest Steve Eatts here in Albnay uses a lot of white metal in 
his business of knife sharpening for the wood chip mill....he has a pot of 
metal on the go often .Steve belongs to TRACMACH.
If your supplier wants to be pernickity tell him you want Hoyts D.11.This is 
the lowest melting metal and will be fine for your purpose.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] White metal (help from the aussies?)


>
> On Jan 19, 2009, at 6:50 PM, Chester Smith wrote:
>
>> Eric i asked them & they will not comment, they said the buyer
>> should know
>> what he wants, thanks.
>> Chester.
>
> Like Rick said, Chester, if they're jerks, find another vendor.  If
> you have no other options, just tell them #11.  Honestly, for your
> purposes, the differences won't amount to a hill of beans.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jan 19 23:44:50 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:44:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<c3f44841ddd0c3cf0796aab0c9427baa.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <A23FF513EF964735A83BD8C1CE07247D@REG>

Arnie, mate, Ya want Dolly there?
Here's how.
Pay for Chris to do Uni!!!
Our world has changed.
Now, PARENTS aint clear of the 'kid expense' until they( the kids) are ready
to go on the old age pension!! (And then some!!)

PS. I love the thought behind your email
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar


> Hi Jerry,
>
> You may not realize it, but the "SEL'S Belles" are displayed in the world
> famous
> "Missing Woman Formation."  That empty space between Mel & Missy and
> Kelley & Susan
> is where Dolly is supposed to be.  Maybe ONE DAY we'll be able to talk her
> into
> returning to Portland.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Mon, January 19, 2009 12:31 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
>>          What I've done is put up January to June so far, at least you
>> can
>> use that so long. I should finish the rest within a few days then I'll
>> upload that.
>>          January to June 2009 can be found in a zip file here:
>> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/cal1.zip>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> believed to be clean.
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jan 20 08:04:08 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:04:08 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Calendar 2009
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120175332.00c33a70@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         In the January to June version a few errors were pointed out they 
have now been corrected and the final Jan to June version has now replaced 
the one I put up yesterday. (Apologies for the double download)

<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/cal1.zip>

August to Dec will follow soon

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jan 20 09:45:18 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:45:18 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1232470802.28683.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194156.00c42870@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 20/01/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:49:55 -0600
>From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar
>
>Jerry:
>
>Thanks for the calendar (the first half).  I was surprised to see my image 
>on there.
>
>Who'da ever thunk this 'ol Kaintuck would ever git on one of them thair 
>calendar thaings??!!
>
>Take care - Elden
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

That's a pleasure Elden,
         May I use this opportunity to ask your permission to use that pic 
in the calendar? :-)
         It was such a nice one that I just "stole" it off your website.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jan 20 09:49:32 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:49:32 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1232470802.28683.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 20/01/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 4
>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:56:05 -0500
>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>Jerry:
>   Great work!  Only one correction, that's Rob Skinner on the tricycle, not
>me!
>Thanks for your beautiful efforts.
>Mike Royster

Thanks Mike and Sorry Rob,
         That's one of the corrections in the latest version. I never 
realised that Rob was also a hooligan!! Mike thanks for all the pics.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jan 20 09:41:26 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:41:26 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1232470802.28683.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120193825.00c517b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 20/01/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:31:47 -0500
>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>
>Great work Jerry!
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY


Thanks Tommy,
         I'm going to take the opportunity to remind you that I'm waiting 
for something from you !! You know what it is :-)


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jan 20 09:51:16 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:51:16 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1232470802.28683.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194953.033f9848@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 20/01/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 5
>Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 01:11:23 GMT
>From: "avanti_64 at juno.com" <avanti_64 at juno.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar
>
>Thanks Jerry!
>Nice piece of work!
>Joe

Good on you Joe,
         Thanks for the pics.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jan 20 10:12:23 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:12:23 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1232470802.28683.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120195454.03409800@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 20/01/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 11
>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:42:07 -0500 (EST)
>From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar
>
>
>Hi Jerry,
>
>You may not realize it, but the "SEL'S Belles" are displayed in the world 
>famous
>"Missing Woman Formation."  That empty space between Mel & Missy and 
>Kelley & Susan
>is where Dolly is supposed to be.  Maybe ONE DAY we'll be able to talk her 
>into
>returning to Portland.
>
>See ya,  Arnie


Hi Arnie and I'm going to add Reg,
         (Have you guys been smoking and what was it ?)
         I'd have loved to have included Dolly (the FBI webmistress) here 
but nobody sent me a pic of her - all is not lost as I still need a few 
pics on the top row in the 2nd half of the calendar and I'd really like one 
of Dolly (not the one of her purple shoes).
         So, Mr. Fero, start searching your hard drive - you know my 
address!! I do seem to remember a very nice pic of her with a purple Maytag :-)

         Also remember that I only get the "Digest" version of the S.E.L. 
so send it "Off List"

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jan 20 10:54:23 2009
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:54:23 -0800
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <AA3B4EBB-E093-4CFF-9655-B6DC2F307FCF@rustyiron.com>


On Jan 20, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Jerry Evans wrote:
>
> Thanks Mike and Sorry Rob,
>         That's one of the corrections in the latest version. I never
> realised that Rob was also a hooligan!! Mike thanks for all the pics.

Make no mistake, Jerry, my hooliganism pales in comparison to that of  
Mr. Royster.





From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Jan 20 12:22:47 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:22:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Nuenen engine show
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120175332.00c33a70@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120175332.00c33a70@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909A33553@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

Wondering if anyone on this list is planning on going to the Nuenen show
(in Holland) this year and will be staying for a few days after the
show.

I might have something lined up for the day after the Nuenen show for a
small group to get in to see the Deutz museum engine collection.  The
group going with me to Nuenen will be going to see the Deutz collection
and it is possible some others could meet us at Koln when we go to see
the collection and get in with us.

At the moment I'm just seeing if there are others that would like to
join us so I can tell the Deutz contact how many people would be in the
group and if that number is okay.

George


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From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Jan 20 15:15:54 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:15:54 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194156.00c42870@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEHGHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

At my age, I consider it to be an honor to have my image stolen, appropriated, lifted, copied or just looked upon without disgust.

Be my guest!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:45 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar
> 
> 
> At 07:00 PM 20/01/2009, you wrote:
> >Message: 3
> >Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:49:55 -0600
> >From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar
> >
> >Jerry:
> >
> >Thanks for the calendar (the first half).  I was 
> surprised to see my image 
> >on there.
> >
> >Who'da ever thunk this 'ol Kaintuck would ever 
> git on one of them thair 
> >calendar thaings??!!
> >
> >Take care - Elden
> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
> 
> That's a pleasure Elden,
>          May I use this opportunity to ask your 
> permission to use that pic 
> in the calendar? :-)
>          It was such a nice one that I just 
> "stole" it off your website.
> 
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Jan 20 14:36:01 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:36:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp>

Oh that's OK, Rob appreciated being upgraded to the cloistered oyster 
Royster status.  Plus doen't that make his engines mine??????

MR

>
> Thanks Mike and Sorry Rob,
>         That's one of the corrections in the latest version. I never
> realised that Rob was also a hooligan!! Mike thanks for all the pics.
>
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Jan 21 09:51:21 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:51:21 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Mail server problems
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090121194641.00bc74b8@mail.atech.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         Our mail service provider is changing software and having a few 
problems.

         I may have lost some mail sent (to me) in the last few hours ( 
lets say from 1.00pm GMT - 21st January 2009) Outgoing mail from me was not 
affected.

         I'm only mentioning this in case someone has submitted any pics 
for the calendar in this time. If anyone sent me anything after the above 
time please resend

         ( I did get yours this morning Reg, thanks and also those plates 
pics from Mike Royster)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Jan 21 14:35:51 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 00:35:51 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Engine Photo
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090122003337.00bc74b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         Copy of a letter I recieved and my answer
Jerry


At 09:33 PM 21/01/2009, you wrote:
>Jerry
>
>I have been on the list but have not responded to date.  I inherited 
>several engines from my father and am trying to learn as much about them 
>as I can.  This photo may be to late or to low res to use now.  This 
>Bessemer engine, wench and pumping jack came from an oil well in western 
>Pennsylvania.  My father had partially paid for it but had never taken the 
>time to go get it.  I paid the remaining amount and after my father died 
>my wife and I went to Pa and with the help of the previous owner were able 
>to load it onto a trailer and take it to Northeast Tennessee where it now 
>resides awaiting restoration.  This spring or summer I can take better 
>photographs of it if you think folks on the list would be interested
>
>John

Hello John,
         Thank you very much for your answer. It is really very nice to 
hear from a "new" person but I need to tell you something. This is a really 
great hobby and one of the things that keeps me interested in the hobby is 
all the new friends that I've met through it. Your letter came directly to 
me so I do not know which "List" you belong to. I belong to the "S.E.L 
list" as well as the "Oldengine.org" list so you must have found (and 
joined) one of those.

         You have obviously been what we call a "lurker" on whichever list 
- ie. you've joined but have not yet responded to any messages. There is 
nothing wrong with that (I also lurked for a few weeks (maybe months) 
before getting up the courage to join in).

         These 2 lists are the best things that have happened in my life 
for many years. They are made up of really good guys with a common interest 
in restoring "old engines" or, if you prefer, "old iron". You will meet 
people with similar interests from all over the world and you will become 
friends with them. They are "good guys" and will answer all your questions 
and give you all the help that you need. Yes they sometimes also get grumpy 
(it's called "cabin fever" in the USA but the Aussies get "Heat Stroke" at 
the same time and it makes for some very interesting "exchanges"). At the 
end of the day everyone seems to miraculously remain friends. That's what 
it is all about.

         O.K. so I've said my stuff - now it's up to you to join in on the 
lists. All the list members welcome new members so please do not feel shy 
to introduce yourself.

         Now to get back to your mail to me.  That's a beautiful engine 
(and picture) and I'm going to make an effort to get it into the calendar 
(unfortunately, at this time, probably just a small pic at the top of a page).

         I am also going to "copy" this mail to the 2 lists. You should get 
quite a few responses. I do not know a lot about American engines but you 
mention that it is a "Bessemer".  Arnie  Fero (a list member) will get 
excited as will many others especially when they see that attached winch!

         To give you an example of how much you can learn from these lists. 
When I joined I had no idea of what a "half breed" engine was but often 
heard the term on the lists. I eventually bucked up the courage to ask. I 
had many replies and Rob Skinner (list member) even posted (snail mail - 
not email) a number of articles explaining that it was an engine originally 
driven by steam but converted to that "new fangled idea" of "internal 
combustion". I mention that because it was Arnie's "Half-Breed" Bessemer 
that prompted my question in the first place.

         Any way, Ive posted your pic here (do not worry, it is not on a 
webpage and there is nothing linking it to you) it's just a pic in the root 
directory of my site on "oldengine.org".
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/bessemer.jpg>

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Jan 21 14:49:43 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:49:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Engine Photo
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090122003337.00bc74b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090122003337.00bc74b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909A8FAE0@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

Jerry,

I think John didn't describe the photo correctly.
Didn't see the "wench" ;-)

Other odd thing today is that the only SEL messages I've gotten today
were 2 that you posted.  Don't know what happened to the rest of the
list.

George



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Evans
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:36 PM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Photo

Hi Guys,
         Copy of a letter I recieved and my answer
Jerry


At 09:33 PM 21/01/2009, you wrote:
>Jerry
>
>I have been on the list but have not responded to date.  I inherited 
>several engines from my father and am trying to learn as much about
them 
>as I can.  This photo may be to late or to low res to use now.  This 
>Bessemer engine, wench and pumping jack came from an oil well in
western 
>Pennsylvania.  My father had partially paid for it but had never taken
the 
>time to go get it.  I paid the remaining amount and after my father
died 
>my wife and I went to Pa and with the help of the previous owner were
able 
>to load it onto a trailer and take it to Northeast Tennessee where it
now 
>resides awaiting restoration.  This spring or summer I can take better 
>photographs of it if you think folks on the list would be interested
>
>John



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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jan 21 17:00:20 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:00:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <AA3B4EBB-E093-4CFF-9655-B6DC2F307FCF@rustyiron.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<AA3B4EBB-E093-4CFF-9655-B6DC2F307FCF@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <ed02b406294594a1873b593fc588c0e7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Man, that's fer sure.  When you see that evil grin and the "Royster Dimples" you
just KNOW that something evil is about to happen.

Bless his heart.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, January 20, 2009 1:54 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
>
> On Jan 20, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Jerry Evans wrote:
>> Thanks Mike and Sorry Rob,
>>         That's one of the corrections in the latest version. I never
>> realised that Rob was also a hooligan!! Mike thanks for all the pics.
>
> Make no mistake, Jerry, my hooliganism pales in comparison to that of
> Mr. Royster.




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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jan 21 17:24:53 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:24:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
Message-ID: <77e32c8beb026c5c1605974ce8ee3af8.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Jerry,

Is this the one that you're looking for?
http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/news.htm

If it is, I also have the pic without the "news."  Lemmie know and I can scan it.
There's also a rumor that there's another EXCELLENT pic of Dolly "out there" that
involves an amusement park ride in Pittsburgh that's called The Logjammer.  Again
the rumor is that the reaction if it ever surfaced on the net would be similar to
the one that surrounded that moviemaker who "offended" the Muslims in Denmark (or
was it Norway).  8->>

See ya,  Arnie

> Hi Arnie and I'm going to add Reg,
>          I'd have loved to have included Dolly (the FBI webmistress) here
> but nobody sent me a pic of her - all is not lost as I still need a few
> pics on the top row in the 2nd half of the calendar and I'd really like one
> of Dolly (not the one of her purple shoes).
>          So, Mr. Fero, start searching your hard drive - you know my
> address!! I do seem to remember a very nice pic of her with a purple Maytag :-)




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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jan 21 17:56:54 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:56:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><AA3B4EBB-E093-4CFF-9655-B6DC2F307FCF@rustyiron.com>
	<ed02b406294594a1873b593fc588c0e7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <003201c97c34$b38744a0$66674b47@mikecomp>

That would hurt me if I had any feelings or it weren't true :)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar


> Man, that's fer sure.  When you see that evil grin and the "Royster 
> Dimples" you
> just KNOW that something evil is about to happen.
>
> Bless his heart.  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Tue, January 20, 2009 1:54 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Jerry Evans wrote:
>>> Thanks Mike and Sorry Rob,
>>>         That's one of the corrections in the latest version. I never
>>> realised that Rob was also a hooligan!! Mike thanks for all the pics.
>>
>> Make no mistake, Jerry, my hooliganism pales in comparison to that of
>> Mr. Royster.
>
>
>
>
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Jan 21 19:44:09 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:44:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <03A3AB60B31A4680A3A73FBF15BA95C4@tommydk7hxjr4h>

 Wonder if you buy the duck you get the carb or if you buy the carb you
get the duck? See ebay listing number:

370147477890

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




From kosh at ncweb.com  Wed Jan 21 20:55:06 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:55:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Photo
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090122003337.00bc74b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090121235021.018aa250@ncweb.com>

Really neat to see one complete with its well machinery, pump jack + winch.

That big bull gear will make it a real attention getter at shows.
Amazing amount of paint on it too!

The gear teeth that were in the ground don't look too bad from the picture.

Congratulations!

Dave Merchant


At 05:35 PM 1/21/2009, you wrote:
>Hi Guys,
>          Copy of a letter I recieved and my answer
>Jerry
>
>
>At 09:33 PM 21/01/2009, you wrote:
> >Jerry
> >
> >I have been on the list but have not responded to date.  I inherited
> >several engines from my father and am trying to learn as much about them
> >as I can.  This photo may be to late or to low res to use now.  This
> >Bessemer engine, wench and pumping jack came from an oil well in western
> >Pennsylvania.  My father had partially paid for it but had never taken the
> >time to go get it.  I paid the remaining amount and after my father died
> >my wife and I went to Pa and with the help of the previous owner were able
> >to load it onto a trailer and take it to Northeast Tennessee where it now
> >resides awaiting restoration.  This spring or summer I can take better
> >photographs of it if you think folks on the list would be interested
> >
> >John
>
>Hello John,
>          Thank you very much for your answer. It is really very nice to
>hear from a "new" person but I need to tell you something. This is a really
>great hobby and one of the things that keeps me interested in the hobby is
>all the new friends that I've met through it. Your letter came directly to
>me so I do not know which "List" you belong to. I belong to the "S.E.L
>list" as well as the "Oldengine.org" list so you must have found (and
>joined) one of those.
>
>          You have obviously been what we call a "lurker" on whichever list
>- ie. you've joined but have not yet responded to any messages. There is
>nothing wrong with that (I also lurked for a few weeks (maybe months)
>before getting up the courage to join in).
>
>          These 2 lists are the best things that have happened in my life
>for many years. They are made up of really good guys with a common interest
>in restoring "old engines" or, if you prefer, "old iron". You will meet
>people with similar interests from all over the world and you will become
>friends with them. They are "good guys" and will answer all your questions
>and give you all the help that you need. Yes they sometimes also get grumpy
>(it's called "cabin fever" in the USA but the Aussies get "Heat Stroke" at
>the same time and it makes for some very interesting "exchanges"). At the
>end of the day everyone seems to miraculously remain friends. That's what
>it is all about.
>
>          O.K. so I've said my stuff - now it's up to you to join in on the
>lists. All the list members welcome new members so please do not feel shy
>to introduce yourself.
>
>          Now to get back to your mail to me.  That's a beautiful engine
>(and picture) and I'm going to make an effort to get it into the calendar
>(unfortunately, at this time, probably just a small pic at the top of a page).
>
>          I am also going to "copy" this mail to the 2 lists. You should get
>quite a few responses. I do not know a lot about American engines but you
>mention that it is a "Bessemer".  Arnie  Fero (a list member) will get
>excited as will many others especially when they see that attached winch!
>
>          To give you an example of how much you can learn from these lists.
>When I joined I had no idea of what a "half breed" engine was but often
>heard the term on the lists. I eventually bucked up the courage to ask. I
>had many replies and Rob Skinner (list member) even posted (snail mail -
>not email) a number of articles explaining that it was an engine originally
>driven by steam but converted to that "new fangled idea" of "internal
>combustion". I mention that because it was Arnie's "Half-Breed" Bessemer
>that prompted my question in the first place.
>
>          Any way, Ive posted your pic here (do not worry, it is not on a
>webpage and there is nothing linking it to you) it's just a pic in the root
>directory of my site on "oldengine.org".
><www.oldengine.org/members/evans/bessemer.jpg>
>
>Keep the revs up (or down)
>Jerry Evans
>Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
><www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Dave Merchant
kosh at nesys.com
nesys_com at ameritech.net
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jan 21 22:33:57 2009
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:33:57 -0800
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>


On Jan 20, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Mike Royster wrote:

> Oh that's OK, Rob appreciated being upgraded to the cloistered oyster
> Royster status.  Plus doen't that make his engines mine??????



WHAT?  I don't have HAVE a fourteen year old cousin!

Rob

P.S.
Come on over and you can play with any of the engines you want.





From george at irontrader.com  Thu Jan 22 15:23:49 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (george at irontrader.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:23:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp>
	<EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>

Are there systems or network problems with SEL?

I haven't seen any messages from the list today, and only had a few yesterday.

I know that we have a lot fewer people posting messages now, but this  
is really reaching a new low point unless there are technical problems.

George



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Thu Jan 22 15:29:09 2009
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:29:09 -0600
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
References: <59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <ABF5D35C-5A98-4BD6-BD6F-0D7887B2DD34@herculesengines.com>


I just uploaded some additional photos of the barn construction.  The  
caused a few days delay but they plan to finish it tomorrow.  Here are  
the photos:
http://s592.photobucket.com/albums/tt1/KeithKinney/New%20Barn%20January%202009/
Keith


Keith Kinney
kkinney at herculesengines.com
WWW.HerculesEngines.com





From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Thu Jan 22 15:40:13 2009
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:40:13 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>
	<20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
Message-ID: <037a01c97cea$c601d490$8335c53e@doc>

I'm still here....

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> george at irontrader.com
> Sent: 22 January 2009 23:24
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
> 
> Are there systems or network problems with SEL?
> 
> I haven't seen any messages from the list today, and only had 
> a few yesterday.
> 
> I know that we have a lot fewer people posting messages now, 
> but this  
> is really reaching a new low point unless there are technical 
> problems.
> 
> George
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Jan 22 15:39:12 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:39:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>
	<20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

Looks like it is NOT a technical problem.  I just posted the below
message from my home logon and it showed up a few minutes later on my
work computer.

So it looks like we just have lurkers left and no one is posting.

Kind of like the ATIS forums ;-)  We have several hundred members, but
less than a handful of people posting anything.

You can check out the forums at:

http://www.atis.net/forums/index.php

Wonder if the tractor list is also dead?
Kind of a "left behind" feeling where most everyone is gone and you're
wondering what happened.

Oh well......

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
george at irontrader.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:24 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?

Are there systems or network problems with SEL?

I haven't seen any messages from the list today, and only had a few
yesterday.

I know that we have a lot fewer people posting messages now, but this  
is really reaching a new low point unless there are technical problems.

George

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From weolson at wiktel.com  Thu Jan 22 15:43:58 2009
From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:43:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp>
	<EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>
	<20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
Message-ID: <942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com>

Hi George,

Thursday, January 22, 2009, 5:23:49 PM, you wrote:

gic> Are there systems or network problems with SEL?

gic> I haven't seen any messages from the list today, and only had a few yesterday.

gic> I know that we have a lot fewer people posting messages now, but this
gic> is really reaching a new low point unless there are technical problems.

gic> George

gic> _______________________________________________
gic> SEL mailing list
gic> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
gic> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
I got this one and one other today.
I guess everybody is disapointed with and afraid of what our new president might do.

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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jan 22 15:49:19 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:49:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <ABF5D35C-5A98-4BD6-BD6F-0D7887B2DD34@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <7562A52BAA6340379F2CA8090395EE7E@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Keith,
	I really like the overhanging porch.  I wished I had done that
on my building and the next one I build will have it.  It's a good place
to "play" with stuff, pull under when its raining, etc. Very Nice!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Keith
Kinney
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:29 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away



I just uploaded some additional photos of the barn construction.  The  
caused a few days delay but they plan to finish it tomorrow.  Here are  
the photos:
http://s592.photobucket.com/albums/tt1/KeithKinney/New%20Barn%20January%
202009/
Keith


Keith Kinney
kkinney at herculesengines.com
WWW.HerculesEngines.com



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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Jan 22 15:54:15 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:54:15 +1100
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <ABF5D35C-5A98-4BD6-BD6F-0D7887B2DD34@herculesengines.com>
References: <59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
	<ABF5D35C-5A98-4BD6-BD6F-0D7887B2DD34@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <7213A6E7E94A474A940CEA376FF9921A@KerryPC>

Wow Keith  that's what I call a engine shed, well done


Kerry


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jan 22 15:56:54 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:56:54 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <0C4756472B8040F998F705624489A0E2@PML>

Hi George,
	There is still life here in Oz but it is just too hot to do
anything!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

-----Original Message-----
Looks like it is NOT a technical problem.  I just posted the below
message from my home logon and it showed up a few minutes later on my
work computer.

So it looks like we just have lurkers left and no one is posting.

Kind of like the ATIS forums ;-)  We have several hundred members, but
less than a handful of people posting anything.

You can check out the forums at:

http://www.atis.net/forums/index.php

Wonder if the tractor list is also dead?
Kind of a "left behind" feeling where most everyone is gone and you're
wondering what happened.

Oh well......

George





From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 16:00:41 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:00:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar --Now Duck or Mixer
Message-ID: <615006.64804.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 It looks like it has been fixed now.
Leona, the seller, was trying to teach a helper and it got messed up.
I noticed the duck was in her Other Items.
She has a lot of stuff on epay right now.
I sent her a nice message and got a very nice thanks back from her.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Wed, 1/21/09, Judge Tommy Turner <Lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:

From: Judge Tommy Turner <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 10:44 PM

 Wonder if you buy the duck you get the carb or if you buy the carb you
get the duck? See ebay listing number:

370147477890

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Thu Jan 22 16:04:41 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:04:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
	<942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com>
Message-ID: <00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

Not many people left.  I suspect the glory days of stationary engines has 
past, now that the big money boys have driven the price of a lot of engines 
out of the reach of the average collector.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Olson" <weolson at wiktel.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?


> Hi George,
>
> Thursday, January 22, 2009, 5:23:49 PM, you wrote:
>
> gic> Are there systems or network problems with SEL?
>
> gic> I haven't seen any messages from the list today, and only had a few 
> yesterday.
>
> gic> I know that we have a lot fewer people posting messages now, but this
> gic> is really reaching a new low point unless there are technical 
> problems.
>
> gic> George
>
> gic> _______________________________________________
> gic> SEL mailing list
> gic> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> gic> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> I got this one and one other today.
> I guess everybody is disapointed with and afraid of what our new president 
> might do.
>
> -- 
> Thanks,  William                       mailto:weolson at wiktel.com
>
> Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Thu Jan 22 16:11:43 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:11:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<0C4756472B8040F998F705624489A0E2@PML>
Message-ID: <00f701c97cef$2c1ff690$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

Its too cold to do anything here!  Can't get anywhere near the Tod Engine 
due to 12" of snow on the ground.

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?


> Hi George,
> There is still life here in Oz but it is just too hot to do
> anything!
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Looks like it is NOT a technical problem.  I just posted the below
> message from my home logon and it showed up a few minutes later on my
> work computer.
>
> So it looks like we just have lurkers left and no one is posting.
>
> Kind of like the ATIS forums ;-)  We have several hundred members, but
> less than a handful of people posting anything.
>
> You can check out the forums at:
>
> http://www.atis.net/forums/index.php
>
> Wonder if the tractor list is also dead?
> Kind of a "left behind" feeling where most everyone is gone and you're
> wondering what happened.
>
> Oh well......
>
> George
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From glenn.karch at att.net  Thu Jan 22 16:11:25 2009
From: glenn.karch at att.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:11:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
References: <59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
	<ABF5D35C-5A98-4BD6-BD6F-0D7887B2DD34@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <133885.97691.qm@web83713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Keith,

I see an engine over at left that is waiting to get in the barn.

When is the party (with heat)?

Glenn




________________________________
From: Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:29:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away


I just uploaded some additional photos of the barn construction.? The? 
caused a few days delay but they plan to finish it tomorrow.? Here are? 
the photos:
http://s592.photobucket.com/albums/tt1/KeithKinney/New%20Barn%20January%202009/
Keith


Keith Kinney
kkinney at herculesengines.com
WWW.HerculesEngines.com



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From james.kangas at timken.com  Thu Jan 22 16:28:03 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:28:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com>
	<00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>

I agree but I don't think it's just a matter of prices being too high. The skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping away with each new generation.
    Jim

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Tod Engine Foundation
Sent: Thu 1/22/2009 7:04 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?



Not many people left.  I suspect the glory days of stationary engines has
past, now that the big money boys have driven the price of a lot of engines
out of the reach of the average collector.

Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Olson" <weolson at wiktel.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?


> Hi George,
>
> Thursday, January 22, 2009, 5:23:49 PM, you wrote:
>
> gic> Are there systems or network problems with SEL?
>
> gic> I haven't seen any messages from the list today, and only had a few
> yesterday.
>
> gic> I know that we have a lot fewer people posting messages now, but this
> gic> is really reaching a new low point unless there are technical
> problems.
>
> gic> George
>
> gic> _______________________________________________
> gic> SEL mailing list
> gic> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> gic> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> I got this one and one other today.
> I guess everybody is disapointed with and afraid of what our new president
> might do.
>
> --
> Thanks,  William                       mailto:weolson at wiktel.com
>
> Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From james.kangas at timken.com  Thu Jan 22 16:32:09 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:32:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><0C4756472B8040F998F705624489A0E2@PML>
	<00f701c97cef$2c1ff690$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC4@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>

Same here in New England,although it was above freezing today.
    Jim

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Tod Engine Foundation
Sent: Thu 1/22/2009 7:11 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?



Its too cold to do anything here!  Can't get anywhere near the Tod Engine
due to 12" of snow on the ground.

Rick


----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?


> Hi George,
> There is still life here in Oz but it is just too hot to do
> anything!
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Looks like it is NOT a technical problem.  I just posted the below
> message from my home logon and it showed up a few minutes later on my
> work computer.
>
> So it looks like we just have lurkers left and no one is posting.
>
> Kind of like the ATIS forums ;-)  We have several hundred members, but
> less than a handful of people posting anything.
>
> You can check out the forums at:
>
> http://www.atis.net/forums/index.php
>
> Wonder if the tractor list is also dead?
> Kind of a "left behind" feeling where most everyone is gone and you're
> wondering what happened.
>
> Oh well......
>
> George
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jan 22 16:45:40 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:45:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>
	<20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <be9137830773561dfb45814349616bb5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey George,

There's a lot of lively posting over on Slick Willy.  Of course, a lot of it is the
sort of friendly banter that used to appear here before a few whiners pitched such a
hissy-fit about non-engine-related posts.  The REALLY funny thing is that there are
more and more engine related posts on Slick.  It seems that when folks are having
fun together, that damn engine stuff just finds a way to creep in.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Who knows, you might even find yourself enjoying the posts on Slick.
     Wouldn't THAT be a hoot?

On Thu, January 22, 2009 6:39 pm, Best, George wrote:
> Kind of a "left behind" feeling where most everyone is gone and you're
> wondering what happened.
>
> Oh well......
>
> George




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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 22 16:59:51 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:59:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com>
	<00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> 
	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W5638C5175FA2223B6998B695CF0@phx.gbl>


Sad but true, Jim. When Mike and I were growing up all our friends built and repaired their own cars, hot rods,appliances, and any machinery that was worn out or needed fixing.  My kids friends don't know how and don't care to know how to fix anything . Most of them couldn't show you  where a spark plug was if their life depended on it. Most high schools don't even have "shop" classes anymore.  The skills are still needed but who is teaching them?  I'm thankful we have a younger generation in the  SEL that is still interested in learning.  Steve, the old fart! > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:28:03 -0500> From: james.kangas at timken.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?> > I agree but I don't think it's just a matter of prices being too high. The skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping away with each new generation.> Jim> > ________________________________> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Tod Engine Foundation> Sent: Thu 1/22/2009 7:04 PM> To: The SEL email discussion list> Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?> > > > Not many people left. I suspect the glory days of stationary engines has> past, now that the big money boys have driven the price of a lot of engines> out of the reach of the average collector.> > Rick> > ----- Original Message -----> From: "William Olson" <weolson at wiktel.com>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:43 PM> Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?> > > > Hi George,> >> > Thursday, January 22, 2009, 5:23:49 PM, you wrote:> >> > gic> Are there systems or network problems with SEL?> >> > gic> I haven't seen any messages from the list today, and only had a few> > yesterday.> >> > gic> I know that we have a lot fewer people posting messages now, but this> > gic> is really reaching a new low point unless there are technical> > problems.> >> > gic> George> >> > gic> _______________________________________________> > gic> SEL mailing list> > gic> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > gic> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > I got this one and one other today.> > I guess everybody is disapointed with and afraid of what our new president> > might do.> >> > --> > Thanks, William mailto:weolson at wiktel.com> >> > Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > > > > > -----------------------------------------> This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or> entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please> do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to> others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message,> and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The> Timken Corporation 
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 17:00:57 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:00:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
Message-ID: <691340.52051.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I?have been watching for the last couple years.
Almost half of the people joining our local club are young.
http://www.buckleyoldengineclub.org/

You must have a sponser and attend two consecutive monthly club meetings to join 
our club.
Seeing all those young folks joining the club is great.

The last remaining founding member of our club passed away in September.
He was there for the September meeting bringing great news.
 He had been working on a guy for over 15 years to get us more property.
He had just made the deal for 66 more attached acres.
He died about three weeks later.
In our November meeting we voted to name the addition after him. 

Alan in Michigan

--- On Thu, 1/22/09, Kangas, James G. <james.kangas at timken.com> wrote:

From: Kangas, James G. <james.kangas at timken.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 7:28 PM

I agree but I don't think it's just a matter of prices being too high. The skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping away with each new generation.
? ? Jim

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Tod Engine Foundation
Sent: Thu 1/22/2009 7:04 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?



Not many people left.? I suspect the glory days of stationary engines has
past, now that the big money boys have driven the price of a lot of engines
out of the reach of the average collector.

Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Olson" <weolson at wiktel.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?


> Hi George,
>
> Thursday, January 22, 2009, 5:23:49 PM, you wrote:
>
> gic> Are there systems or network problems with SEL?
>
> gic> I haven't seen any messages from the list today, and only had a few
> yesterday.
>
> gic> I know that we have a lot fewer people posting messages now, but this
> gic> is really reaching a new low point unless there are technical
> problems.
>
> gic> George
>
> gic> _______________________________________________
> gic> SEL mailing list
> gic> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> gic> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> I got this one and one other today.
> I guess everybody is disapointed with and afraid of what our new president
> might do.
>
> --
> Thanks,? William? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???mailto:weolson at wiktel.com
>
> Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus
> _______________________________________________
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 17:02:50 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:02:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
Message-ID: <1766.49898.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Bummer, Arnie.
What have I been missing.
Please send me a link to Slick.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Thu, 1/22/09, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 7:45 PM

Hey George,

There's a lot of lively posting over on Slick Willy.? Of course, a lot of it is the
sort of friendly banter that used to appear here before a few whiners pitched such a
hissy-fit about non-engine-related posts.? The REALLY funny thing is that there are
more and more engine related posts on Slick.? It seems that when folks are having
fun together, that damn engine stuff just finds a way to creep in.? 8-))

See ya,? Arnie

PS - Who knows, you might even find yourself enjoying the posts on Slick.
? ???Wouldn't THAT be a hoot?

On Thu, January 22, 2009 6:39 pm, Best, George wrote:
> Kind of a "left behind" feeling where most everyone is gone and you're
> wondering what happened.
>
> Oh well......
>
> George




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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Jan 22 17:06:17 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:06:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
Message-ID: <20090122.170618.1696.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 Hi George. I am on three lists, ATIS, SEL and Old Engine.  It was a
little slow yesterday until after 6PM, I got 35 in one batch then more
all evening.  Most from the tractor guys talking about Ford V 10's.  And
a reasonable volume today.  But I don't count the different lists,  just
mix them all together. 
 
Loaded up today to head to the Main Event in Quartzsite tomorrow for the
weekend.

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:23:49 -0700 george at irontrader.com writes:
> Are there systems or network problems with SEL?
> 
> I haven't seen any messages from the list today, and only had a few 
> yesterday.
> 
> I know that we have a lot fewer people posting messages now, but 
> this  
> is really reaching a new low point unless there are technical 
> problems.
> 
> George
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From ddotto at cableone.net  Thu Jan 22 17:36:09 2009
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:36:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <00f701c97cef$2c1ff690$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>	<0C4756472B8040F998F705624489A0E2@PML>
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Hi Rick

Well as long as you aren't working on the Tod engine you can answer a
question for me; I have been wondering why the Tod engine is up on stilts?
Why didn't you set it down on he foundation? I sure there is a good reason.

Dave

P.S. I would still like to have may patterns returned. Thanks



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tod Engine
Foundation
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:12 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?

Its too cold to do anything here!  Can't get anywhere near the Tod Engine 
due to 12" of snow on the ground.

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?


> Hi George,
> There is still life here in Oz but it is just too hot to do
> anything!
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Looks like it is NOT a technical problem.  I just posted the below
> message from my home logon and it showed up a few minutes later on my
> work computer.
>
> So it looks like we just have lurkers left and no one is posting.
>
> Kind of like the ATIS forums ;-)  We have several hundred members, but
> less than a handful of people posting anything.
>
> You can check out the forums at:
>
> http://www.atis.net/forums/index.php
>
> Wonder if the tractor list is also dead?
> Kind of a "left behind" feeling where most everyone is gone and you're
> wondering what happened.
>
> Oh well......
>
> George
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 

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From ddotto at cableone.net  Thu Jan 22 17:39:51 2009
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:39:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <be9137830773561dfb45814349616bb5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>	<20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
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Damn 

I guess I need to re-subscribe; would you be so kind to send the subscribe
info.

Thanks a bunch.
Dave


Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:46 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?

Hey George,

There's a lot of lively posting over on Slick Willy.  Of course, a lot of it
is the
sort of friendly banter that used to appear here before a few whiners
pitched such a
hissy-fit about non-engine-related posts.  The REALLY funny thing is that
there are
more and more engine related posts on Slick.  It seems that when folks are
having
fun together, that damn engine stuff just finds a way to creep in.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Who knows, you might even find yourself enjoying the posts on Slick.
     Wouldn't THAT be a hoot?

On Thu, January 22, 2009 6:39 pm, Best, George wrote:
> Kind of a "left behind" feeling where most everyone is gone and you're
> wondering what happened.
>
> Oh well......
>
> George




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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jan 22 18:12:19 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:12:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com><00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
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	<COL112-W5638C5175FA2223B6998B695CF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005301c97d00$05086cc0$66674b47@mikecomp>

Sad but true, I am the youth of the SEL!!!!  Don't worry, i will take good 
care of your engines Steve!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?



Sad but true, Jim. When Mike and I were growing up all our friends built and 
repaired their own cars, hot rods,appliances, and any machinery that was 
worn out or needed fixing.  My kids friends don't know how and don't care to 
know how to fix anything . Most of them couldn't show you  where a spark 
plug was if their life depended on it. Most high schools don't even have 
"shop" classes anymore.  The skills are still needed but who is teaching 
them?  I'm thankful we have a younger generation in the  SEL that is still 
interested in learning.  Steve, the old fart! > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 
19:28:03 -0500> From: james.kangas at timken.com> To: 
sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?> > I 
agree but I don't think it's just a matter of prices being too high. The 
skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping away with 
each new generation.> Jim> > ________________________________> > From: 
sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Tod Engine Foundation> 
Sent: Thu 1/22/2009 7:04 PM> To: The SEL email discussion list> Subject: Re: 
[SEL] Where is everyone?> > > > Not many people left. I suspect the glory 
days of stationary engines has> past, now that the big money boys have 
driven the price of a lot of engines> out of the reach of the average 
collector.> > Rick> > ----- Original Message -----> From: "William Olson" 
<weolson at wiktel.com>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:43 PM> 
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?> > > > Hi George,> >> > Thursday, 
January 22, 2009, 5:23:49 PM, you wrote:> >> > gic> Are there systems or 
network problems with SEL?> >> > gic> I haven't seen any messages from the 
list today, and only had a few> > yesterday.> >> > gic> I know that we have 
a lot fewer people posting messages now, but this> > gic> is really reaching 
a new low point unless there are technical> > problems.> >> > gic> George> 
 >> > gic> _______________________________________________> > gic> SEL 
mailing list> > gic> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > gic> 
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > I got this one and 
one other today.> > I guess everybody is disapointed with and afraid of what 
our new president> > might do.> >> > --> > Thanks, William 
mailto:weolson at wiktel.com> >> > Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus> > 
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jan 22 17:52:46 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:52:46 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
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Wimp!  Too long in UK?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?


> Hi George,
> There is still life here in Oz but it is just too hot to do
> anything!
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> Looks like it is NOT a technical problem.  I just posted the below
> message from my home logon and it showed up a few minutes later on my
> work computer.
> 
> So it looks like we just have lurkers left and no one is posting.
> 
> Kind of like the ATIS forums ;-)  We have several hundred members, but
> less than a handful of people posting anything.
> 
> You can check out the forums at:
> 
> http://www.atis.net/forums/index.php
> 
> Wonder if the tractor list is also dead?
> Kind of a "left behind" feeling where most everyone is gone and you're
> wondering what happened.
> 
> Oh well......
> 
> George
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From james.kangas at timken.com  Thu Jan 22 18:24:48 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:24:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <691340.52051.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC5@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>

I agree that there are regions in the U.S. where the art and mystery of things mechanical does survive but in general the skills and interest are in decline.
    Jim

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Alan
Sent: Thu 1/22/2009 8:00 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?



I have been watching for the last couple years.
Almost half of the people joining our local club are young.
http://www.buckleyoldengineclub.org/

You must have a sponser and attend two consecutive monthly club meetings to join
our club.
Seeing all those young folks joining the club is great.

The last remaining founding member of our club passed away in September.
He was there for the September meeting bringing great news.
 He had been working on a guy for over 15 years to get us more property.
He had just made the deal for 66 more attached acres.
He died about three weeks later.
In our November meeting we voted to name the addition after him.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Thu, 1/22/09, Kangas, James G. <james.kangas at timken.com> wrote:

From: Kangas, James G. <james.kangas at timken.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 7:28 PM

I agree but I don't think it's just a matter of prices being too high. The skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping away with each new generation.
    Jim

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Tod Engine Foundation
Sent: Thu 1/22/2009 7:04 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?



Not many people left.  I suspect the glory days of stationary engines has
past, now that the big money boys have driven the price of a lot of engines
out of the reach of the average collector.

Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Olson" <weolson at wiktel.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?


> Hi George,
>
> Thursday, January 22, 2009, 5:23:49 PM, you wrote:
>
> gic> Are there systems or network problems with SEL?
>
> gic> I haven't seen any messages from the list today, and only had a few
> yesterday.
>
> gic> I know that we have a lot fewer people posting messages now, but this
> gic> is really reaching a new low point unless there are technical
> problems.
>
> gic> George
>
> gic> _______________________________________________
> gic> SEL mailing list
> gic> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> gic> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> I got this one and one other today.
> I guess everybody is disapointed with and afraid of what our new president
> might do.
>
> --
> Thanks,  William                       mailto:weolson at wiktel.com
>
> Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jan 22 19:24:58 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:24:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
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Message-ID: <7920EA7817DE4F7E9C6C74FE4142E89B@REG>

Arnie, you said it exactly.
As the 'serious' element of a list comes to the fore, the banter, laughs,
minor stick poking, etc. slowly but surely dies away.
Then, in my opinion, rigor mortis is not far off. Any list needs to have 
life. at any engine event, how much is total 'enginetalk'?
For me too,Slick could do it all.
At least on Old Eng Org, I can put up some pics without having to use an 
advert loaded photo site.
Thus, apart from some answers, I dont add much to ATIS.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?


> Hey George,
>
> There's a lot of lively posting over on Slick Willy.  Of course, a lot of 
> it is the
> sort of friendly banter that used to appear here before a few whiners 
> pitched such a
> hissy-fit about non-engine-related posts.  The REALLY funny thing is that 
> there are
> more and more engine related posts on Slick.  It seems that when folks are 
> having
> fun together, that damn engine stuff just finds a way to creep in.  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - Who knows, you might even find yourself enjoying the posts on Slick.
>     Wouldn't THAT be a hoot?
>
> On Thu, January 22, 2009 6:39 pm, Best, George wrote:
>> Kind of a "left behind" feeling where most everyone is gone and you're
>> wondering what happened.
>>
>> Oh well......
>>
>> George
>
>
>
>
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Thu Jan 22 19:40:36 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:40:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>	<0C4756472B8040F998F705624489A0E2@PML><00f701c97cef$2c1ff690$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<001601c97cfa$f8602ad0$e9208070$@net>
Message-ID: <015c01c97d0c$5a993780$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

The area between the bottom of the bedplates and the top of the concrete pad 
is to be filled with 17,000 lbs. of rebar and 160 yards of concrete once I 
get $40,000 to do it.  I set the engine up so that it could be assembled 
before the permanent foundation was put in.  A bit backwards but it works.

I think I'll have to send the patterns in several boxes.  I'll try to get 
the first couple off to you soon.

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Otto" <ddotto at cableone.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?


> Hi Rick
>
> Well as long as you aren't working on the Tod engine you can answer a
> question for me; I have been wondering why the Tod engine is up on stilts?
> Why didn't you set it down on he foundation? I sure there is a good 
> reason.
>
> Dave
>
> P.S. I would still like to have may patterns returned. Thanks
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tod Engine
> Foundation
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:12 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?
>
> Its too cold to do anything here!  Can't get anywhere near the Tod Engine
> due to 12" of snow on the ground.
>
> Rick
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?
>
>
>> Hi George,
>> There is still life here in Oz but it is just too hot to do
>> anything!
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Looks like it is NOT a technical problem.  I just posted the below
>> message from my home logon and it showed up a few minutes later on my
>> work computer.
>>
>> So it looks like we just have lurkers left and no one is posting.
>>
>> Kind of like the ATIS forums ;-)  We have several hundred members, but
>> less than a handful of people posting anything.
>>
>> You can check out the forums at:
>>
>> http://www.atis.net/forums/index.php
>>
>> Wonder if the tractor list is also dead?
>> Kind of a "left behind" feeling where most everyone is gone and you're
>> wondering what happened.
>>
>> Oh well......
>>
>> George
>>
>>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 01:20:22 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:20:22 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp>
	<EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>
	<20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901230120qe2a029ega2b0e35ffcd7fb80@mail.gmail.com>

On 22/01/2009, george at irontrader.com <george at irontrader.com> wrote:
> Are there systems or network problems with SEL?
>
> I haven't seen any messages from the list today, and only had a few
> yesterday.
>
> I know that we have a lot fewer people posting messages now, but this
> is really reaching a new low point unless there are technical problems.
>
> George
>

There are a lot more sites and forums now than when the lists
originally started, and possibly there is less to talk about these
days than then?  With so many engine-related 'personal' websites with
engine information available, and Google to search for them, there is
less need to ask questions now.

I still get a regular flow of traffic from our websites, and I am in
contact with many of the guys directly anyway, plus we have had the
house rebuild going on over the last two months (now finished)

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 01:22:17 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:22:17 +0000
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <ABF5D35C-5A98-4BD6-BD6F-0D7887B2DD34@herculesengines.com>
References: <59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
	<ABF5D35C-5A98-4BD6-BD6F-0D7887B2DD34@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901230122y2180e98ftb8761066aed24309@mail.gmail.com>

On 22/01/2009, Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com> wrote:
>
> I just uploaded some additional photos of the barn construction.  The
> caused a few days delay but they plan to finish it tomorrow.  Here are
> the photos:

Jeez! that's bigger than our factory! AND our house!

Peter
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Jan 23 03:34:16 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:34:16 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
Message-ID: <20090123113417.969B190B05@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>

G'day all in engine land! Well to say it's hot is quiet an 
understatement! But never feer, I have had way to many hot days in 
the shed so we now have the big mother of all air conditioners in the 
work shop so a pussy 42 degree day is NO EXCUSE!  (YES WE CAN)  !!! :-)

So ..... I found some spare time and had my darling wife help me (Yes 
it's true) thread some 1 1/4 in pipe for the cooling system on the 
campbell. I needed to get it done so I could run it again. Anyway we 
are getting real close for party time at the national Folks! All them 
who wish to see may take a peak on my webshot @: 
http://community.webshots.com/album/561752495RfcIse  Only a couple 
more pics there but the old girl is running again. Starts very easy 
now and is really getting some good compression up.

enjoy, Russell



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jan 23 04:07:09 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:07:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
In-Reply-To: <20090123113417.969B190B05@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
References: <20090123113417.969B190B05@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <08DCEFB0E94745C389FE655C906D92B4@PML>

It is looking pretty good Russell. It will be a nice display at the national
rally.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html


-----Original Message-----
G'day all in engine land! Well to say it's hot is quiet an 
understatement! But never feer, I have had way to many hot days in 
the shed so we now have the big mother of all air conditioners in the 
work shop so a pussy 42 degree day is NO EXCUSE!  (YES WE CAN)  !!! :-)

So ..... I found some spare time and had my darling wife help me (Yes 
it's true) thread some 1 1/4 in pipe for the cooling system on the 
campbell. I needed to get it done so I could run it again. Anyway we 
are getting real close for party time at the national Folks! All them 
who wish to see may take a peak on my webshot @: 
http://community.webshots.com/album/561752495RfcIse  Only a couple 
more pics there but the old girl is running again. Starts very easy 
now and is really getting some good compression up.

enjoy, Russell





From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jan 23 05:25:25 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:25:25 EST
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
Message-ID: <c68.444cfdc1.36ab1f45@aol.com>

Well, I have been lurking lately, but lots of things to occupy my time like  
most of us.  From November thru February I have a great  time rabbit hunting 
with my beagles.  They sure like to get out and  run and it is a lot of fun 
watching the young dogs learn to hunt.  Millie  says I like to take my dogs out 
so much that if she should pass away during this  time, she would have to be 
put in cold storage until the season is over to  receive a proper burial!  Ha!
 
On topic though I recently was contacted by an Amish man to come and get an  
engine started he had recently acquired. He lived about an hour away and  had 
found out about me thru a mutual acquaintance.  Turned out the engine  was in 
fairly good condition and I had it running in a couple of hours by  
make-shifting some stuff.  I took a bunch of parts off and brought them  home to 
properly fix them, like rebuild mag, machine a new governor spindle,  rebuild carb 
pump, etc.  I went back and reassembled and showed him how to  start and run it. 
 He was very pleased as some of his fellow Amish  neighbors said it would 
never run, but they did not know anything about the old  engines, nor the 
persistence of the person that came to fix it!  Thanks to  Glenn for sending me some 
information on the carb which I had not dealt with  before.
 
It is a 5 hp Hercules, throttle governed, kerosene, Webster mag.  Not  sure 
if the cart is original to it, but it has been on it for a long time.   He had 
purchased it for the unheard of price of $50.  I should have told  him his 
neighbors were right about never running and that it was junk and  offered to 
double his money!
 
Pictures at:
 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Herc1.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Herc1.jpg) 
 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Herc2.jpg   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jan 23 07:52:49 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:52:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <ABF5D35C-5A98-4BD6-BD6F-0D7887B2DD34@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKDHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Keith:

Don't dispose of the blue tarps!  You'll need 'em when you get the porch area filled-up and have overflow into the field.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Keith
> Kinney
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 05:29 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: Re: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
> 
> 
> 
> I just uploaded some additional photos of the 
> barn construction.  The  
> caused a few days delay but they plan to finish 
> it tomorrow.  Here are  
> the photos:
> http://s592.photobucket.com/albums/tt1/KeithKinney
/New%20Barn%20January%202009/
Keith




From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jan 23 07:58:42 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:58:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEKEHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Rick:

Agreed!

The same thing happened to the antique car hobby.  In the '50's, when I got into that hobby, it was fun.  Although there were a few doctors, lawyers and indian chiefs in it, we all had fun with whatever we had.

THEN, everybody got too serious about it and the money guys entered and I got out.  I don't think it will happen to me here in the rust hobby because I can be happy with a few rustaholic friends and in my shop, piddling with my little projects.

Sure - I'd love to have something like a nice slide valve Otto but that's never gonna happen.  I could never afford ohnje even if I could find one for sale.  I want an Otto, I can just design and build a little one.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Tod Engine
> Foundation
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 06:05 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?
> 
> 
> Not many people left.  I suspect the glory days 
> of stationary engines has 
> past, now that the big money boys have driven the 
> price of a lot of engines 
> out of the reach of the average collector.
> 
> Rick




From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jan 23 08:48:28 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:48:28 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
In-Reply-To: <20090123113417.969B190B05@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEKGHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Russell:

Hot dang!  Looks like you've got 'er runnin'.

Keep up the good work!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Russell
> Gilbert
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 05:34 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
> 
> 
> G'day all in engine land! Well to say it's hot is 
> quiet an 
> understatement! But never feer, I have had way to 
> many hot days in 
> the shed so we now have the big mother of all air 
> conditioners in the 
> work shop so a pussy 42 degree day is NO EXCUSE!  
> (YES WE CAN)  !!! :-)
> 
> So ..... I found some spare time and had my 
> darling wife help me (Yes 
> it's true) thread some 1 1/4 in pipe for the 
> cooling system on the 
> campbell. I needed to get it done so I could run 
> it again. Anyway we 
> are getting real close for party time at the 
> national Folks! All them 
> who wish to see may take a peak on my webshot @: 
> http://community.webshots.com/album/561752495RfcIs
e  Only a couple 
more pics there but the old girl is running again. Starts very easy 
now and is really getting some good compression up.

enjoy, Russell




From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jan 23 07:50:14 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:50:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
Message-ID: <20090123.110113.1392.12.jlb94>

Hi List,

Well - - - I finally did it.  Ignored the advise of others and never
thought it would get cold enough in my garage to freeze the water in the
engines.

With this cold snap ( minus 8? ) the water in my Jaeger 2? HP S froze and
cracked the head.

There is a crack on the left side about 2" long from the surface of the
head to the front.

Can anyone give me any ideas as to what to do to fix or replace the head
?

Any experiences, methods or procedures with welding - Brazing - or - even
"maybe" J B Weld ?

I'm sick about it because it could've been avoided if I'd only drained
the engines before winter.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 23 08:33:22 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:33:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
In-Reply-To: <20090123.110113.1392.12.jlb94>
References: <20090123.110113.1392.12.jlb94>
Message-ID: <COL112-W5318EDD53D25B20E9599FA95CF0@phx.gbl>


Hi Joe,  Over the years I've had heads that have been cracked and  successfully repaired with the following. Welding with a nickle alloy rod, Brazing, Heating and filling the crack with lead solder, and even a few with the JB weld.  It mostly depends on the skill of the welder and where the crack is. Any chance of seeing pictures, then I'm sure someone on the list could recommend a good repair choice. Sorry to hear about the crack, I'm checking my water hoppers right now!  Steve
 
 
 
 
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:50:14 -0500> From: jlb94 at juno.com> Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head> > Hi List,> > Well - - - I finally did it. Ignored the advise of others and never> thought it would get cold enough in my garage to freeze the water in the> engines.> > With this cold snap ( minus 8? ) the water in my Jaeger 2? HP S froze and> cracked the head.> > There is a crack on the left side about 2" long from the surface of the> head to the front.> > Can anyone give me any ideas as to what to do to fix or replace the head> ?> > Any experiences, methods or procedures with welding - Brazing - or - even> "maybe" J B Weld ?> > I'm sick about it because it could've been avoided if I'd only drained> the engines before winter.> > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz> ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz> \/)"(\/ " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - > (_o_) Remove large pumpkin colored highway signs.> ____________________________________________________________> Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project.> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2eRIKvFIBialYqLsV2iT5uDBwYVFqoVRjPx5HSeZAQem1Kl/> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 23 08:35:24 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:35:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
In-Reply-To: <20090123113417.969B190B05@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
References: <20090123113417.969B190B05@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <COL112-W114089F0FFB4A9A6862C1E95CF0@phx.gbl>


Hi Russell, That's a beauty for sure. I looks like the water tank is a section of road culvert pipe, can you buy a cap for the bottom of these or did you fabricate one? Thanks Steve
 
 
 
 
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:34:16 +1100> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: russell at ncable.com.au> Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's> > G'day all in engine land! Well to say it's hot is quiet an > understatement! But never feer, I have had way to many hot days in > the shed so we now have the big mother of all air conditioners in the > work shop so a pussy 42 degree day is NO EXCUSE! (YES WE CAN) !!! :-)> > So ..... I found some spare time and had my darling wife help me (Yes > it's true) thread some 1 1/4 in pipe for the cooling system on the > campbell. I needed to get it done so I could run it again. Anyway we > are getting real close for party time at the national Folks! All them > who wish to see may take a peak on my webshot @: > http://community.webshots.com/album/561752495RfcIse Only a couple > more pics there but the old girl is running again. Starts very easy > now and is really getting some good compression up.> > enjoy, Russell> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 23 09:03:07 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:03:07 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
In-Reply-To: <20090123.110113.1392.12.jlb94>
References: <20090123.110113.1392.12.jlb94>
Message-ID: <BLU135-W376FA1E604135462F8E95BC8CF0@phx.gbl>


Hey Joe,
 
It happened to me a couple years ago. Forgot I had water in a 5hp Sattley. The head was already brazed up from a previous freezing incident from someone else. For my fix I used some welding rod I think it was called weld mold 706 for welding cast iron. No preheat. I just welded little bits at a time. 3/4 to 1" then let it cool to the touch. I haven't run the engine or put water in it since it has been welded but it looks real nice and I have no reason to believe that it won't hold water.


Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA





----------------------------------------
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:50:14 -0500
> From: jlb94 at juno.com
> Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
>
> Hi List,
>
> Well - - - I finally did it. Ignored the advise of others and never
> thought it would get cold enough in my garage to freeze the water in the
> engines.
>
> With this cold snap ( minus 8? ) the water in my Jaeger 2? HP S froze and
> cracked the head.
>
> There is a crack on the left side about 2" long from the surface of the
> head to the front.
>
> Can anyone give me any ideas as to what to do to fix or replace the head
> ?
>
> Any experiences, methods or procedures with welding - Brazing - or - even
> "maybe" J B Weld ?
>
> I'm sick about it because it could've been avoided if I'd only drained
> the engines before winter.
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/ " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" -
> (_o_) Remove large pumpkin colored highway signs.
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jan 23 09:32:08 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:32:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W5318EDD53D25B20E9599FA95CF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <95E25ADBD55B4871A3033EB7DC1DBAAE@tommyd0x52gkco>

In regards to the cracked head I almost had the same thing happen to me.
There was some discussion on Smokstak around early Dec. about engines
sweating when the temperature changes.  Late that evening I walked up to
the barn to get something and thought I would look at some old iron to
see if it was sweating.  Everything looked pretty good except I noticed
the cooling tank on the Miami had water beaded up all over it.  I
couldn't figure out what was going on until I got up next to it and
noticed that the tank was about 3/4 full of water.  Then I remembered
that I had taken it to the East TN Crankup in early June and had never
drained it.  Boy, was I lucky!  We had had some cold weather but not
enough to freeze the water.  The engine sits in an insulated building
and it has to stay below freezing for several days to get below freezing
inside.  Last week we had 4 days below 32, 2 when the temp never got
above 12 degrees.  It would have surely cracked then.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Royster
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:33 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head


Hi Joe,  Over the years I've had heads that have been cracked and
successfully repaired with the following. Welding with a nickle alloy
rod, Brazing, Heating and filling the crack with lead solder, and even a
few with the JB weld.  It mostly depends on the skill of the welder and
where the crack is. Any chance of seeing pictures, then I'm sure someone
on the list could recommend a good repair choice. Sorry to hear about
the crack, I'm checking my water hoppers right now!  Steve
 
 




From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jan 23 09:44:34 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:44:34 EST
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
Message-ID: <cd4.4371f04e.36ab5c02@aol.com>

Joe,
 
I would clean out the crack with a die grinder and use JB Weld in it.   I 
have done this on several heads with good results heating them up to boiling  and 
never leaked.  Think of it this way, if it does not work, you have lost  
nothing since you just clean it out again and then have it welded.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
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From glenn.karch at att.net  Fri Jan 23 09:49:03 2009
From: glenn.karch at att.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:49:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <c68.444cfdc1.36ab1f45@aol.com>
Message-ID: <476049.87127.qm@web83708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi Tom and others.

It looks like it is mounted an original Hercules straight frame cart.? You need to be careful, you may have 
Amishmen lining up to have their engines repaired.

Glenn




________________________________
From: "Germoamer at aol.com" <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:25:25 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?

Well, I have been lurking lately, but lots of things to occupy my time like? 
most of us.? From November thru February I have a great? time rabbit hunting 
with my beagles.? They sure like to get out and? run and it is a lot of fun 
watching the young dogs learn to hunt.? Millie? says I like to take my dogs out 
so much that if she should pass away during this? time, she would have to be 
put in cold storage until the season is over to? receive a proper burial!? Ha!

On topic though I recently was contacted by an Amish man to come and get an? 
engine started he had recently acquired. He lived about an hour away and? had 
found out about me thru a mutual acquaintance.? Turned out the engine? was in 
fairly good condition and I had it running in a couple of hours by? 
make-shifting some stuff.? I took a bunch of parts off and brought them? home to 
properly fix them, like rebuild mag, machine a new governor spindle,? rebuild carb 
pump, etc.? I went back and reassembled and showed him how to? start and run it. 
He was very pleased as some of his fellow Amish? neighbors said it would 
never run, but they did not know anything about the old? engines, nor the 
persistence of the person that came to fix it!? Thanks to? Glenn for sending me some 
information on the carb which I had not dealt with? before.

It is a 5 hp Hercules, throttle governed, kerosene, Webster mag.? Not? sure 
if the cart is original to it, but it has been on it for a long time.? He had 
purchased it for the unheard of price of $50.? I should have told? him his 
neighbors were right about never running and that it was junk and? offered to 
double his money!

Pictures at:


_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Herc1.jpg_ 
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_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Herc2.jpg? 

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Concord,? Va.
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From glenn.karch at att.net  Fri Jan 23 09:52:19 2009
From: glenn.karch at att.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:52:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
References: <20090123.110113.1392.12.jlb94>
Message-ID: <837978.83464.qm@web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Joe,

I would "V" out the crack a little and use JB Weld on it.? If that doesn't work, then you can go to other options.

Glenn




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From: jlb94 <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:50:14 AM
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head

Hi List,

Well - - - I finally did it.? Ignored the advise of others and never
thought it would get cold enough in my garage to freeze the water in the
engines.

With this cold snap ( minus 8? ) the water in my Jaeger 2? HP S froze and
cracked the head.

There is a crack on the left side about 2" long from the surface of the
head to the front.

Can anyone give me any ideas as to what to do to fix or replace the head
?

Any experiences, methods or procedures with welding - Brazing - or - even
"maybe" J B Weld ?

I'm sick about it because it could've been avoided if I'd only drained
the engines before winter.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
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From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 23 10:08:40 2009
From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:08:40 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
In-Reply-To: <837978.83464.qm@web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <20090123.110113.1392.12.jlb94>
	<837978.83464.qm@web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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We're telling you to JB it Joe. It's great stuff,never had a problem with it in the right situation. John> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:52:19 -0800> From: glenn.karch at att.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head> > Joe,> > I would "V" out the crack a little and use JB Weld on it.  If that doesn't work, then you can go to other options.> > Glenn> > > > > ________________________________> From: jlb94 <jlb94 at juno.com>> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:50:14 AM> Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head> > Hi List,> > Well - - - I finally did it.  Ignored the advise of others and never> thought it would get cold enough in my garage to freeze the water in the> engines.> > With this cold snap ( minus 8? ) the water in my Jaeger 2? HP S froze and> cracked the head.> > There is a crack on the left side about 2" long from the surface of the> head to the front.> > Can anyone give me any ideas as to what to do to fix or replace the head> ?> > Any experiences, methods or procedures with welding - Brazing - or - even> "maybe" J B Weld ?> > I'm sick about it because it could've been avoided if I'd only drained> the engines before winter.> > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz>   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz>   \/)"(\/      " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - >   (_o_)        Remove large pumpkin colored highway signs.> ____________________________________________________________> Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project.> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2eRIKvFIBialYqLsV2iT5uDBwYVFqoVRjPx5HSeZAQem1Kl/> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Jan 23 10:31:21 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:31:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <00f701c97cef$2c1ff690$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><0C4756472B8040F998F705624489A0E2@PML>
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"Its too cold to do anything here!  Can't get anywhere near the Tod
Engine 
due to 12" of snow on the ground.  Rick"

"There is still life here in Oz but it is just too hot to do anything!
Patrick M Livingstone"

Seems to me that if it is too hot or too cold to be working, it would be
a good time to be on the computer ;-)

I suppose yesterday I was just noticing that it was a very quite day.

Glad to see we still have people out there.

George


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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 23 10:37:51 2009
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:37:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
References: <95E25ADBD55B4871A3033EB7DC1DBAAE@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <007701c97d89$b3313d70$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

 Depending on the intended use , you can also make a head gasket with only 
one big hole in the middle ......and yer off ! 



From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Jan 23 10:41:53 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:41:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Skills
In-Reply-To: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com><00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
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"The skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping
away with each new generation. Jim"

It does seem that fewer and fewer people have the skills to repair
things.  The other day a co-worker brought in the top from a seltzer
bottle with a bad seal.  He knew I worked on things and he couldn't get
a part taken off.

I looked at it and noticed some internal threads so it was obvious that
the part screwed in and just needed a simple tool to unscrew it.  I took
it home and probably didn't take me a minute to have it apart.  I then
made a quick tool for him out of a 3 cent flat washer with a few notches
cut in it.

He was thrilled and is buying me lunch next week for helping him!

Guess I should be glad there are people that need my help, but at the
same time it does make you wonder how many people in the future will be
able to fix things after we're gone.

George  


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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jan 23 11:00:14 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:00:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <49795EFF.2040802@gmail.com>
References: <49795EFF.2040802@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9dd9dacc3462e0fc69a3813262100da6.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Jim,

You hit on one of my main reasons for going to small local, fair type shows.  You
get an opportunity to reach young kids who have no clue what engines are all about. 
In five minutes with an open crank engine, the kid really UNDERSTANDS it.

When I was a kid my dad would lift the hood on the family car and we'd discuss how
all the bits worked.  Eventually I got my hands on one of the simple old B&S
lawnmower engines and my buddies and I made a motor wagon.  That poor ol' engine was
taken apart and reassembled so many times it was nearly worn out from THAT activity.

Later I got my own car, a cheap clunker that also received a LOT of work.

Trouble is today with all the electronic gizmos you lift the hood you can't even see
the bloody engine, let alone work on it.  Same goes for the lawnmowers.  A kid just
doesn't have the same opportunity to learn.

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, January 22, 2009 9:24 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote:
> I agree that there are regions in the U.S. where the art and mystery of things
> mechanical does survive but in general the skills and interest are in decline.




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From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Jan 23 11:11:42 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:11:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
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-----Original Message-----

Trouble is today with all the electronic gizmos you lift the hood you
can't even see
the bloody engine, let alone work on it.  Same goes for the lawnmowers.
A kid just
doesn't have the same opportunity to learn.

See ya,  Arnie
---------------------------

Arnie,

I agree.  Today's car engines are not as user friendly as the old ones.
Other than simple maintenance I don't work on my cars anymore.  I do
some on the Cummins 24v but changing injectors and fuel pumps on an
inline six is a lot easier than working on the V8 diesels.

So many of todays products are just replaced when they fail rather than
repaired.  I think that also plays a role in people not learning how to
fix things.

George


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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jan 23 11:52:33 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 06:52:33 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
References: <20090123.110113.1392.12.jlb94>
Message-ID: <04EEB7C4F3E3405E82130EC18A467CF5@REG>

Bummer mate.
We dont have that problem. Ours just boil...... even when not running 
lately!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jlb94" <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:50 AM
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head


Hi List,

Well - - - I finally did it.  Ignored the advise of others and never
thought it would get cold enough in my garage to freeze the water in the
engines.

With this cold snap ( minus 8? ) the water in my Jaeger 2? HP S froze and
cracked the head.

There is a crack on the left side about 2" long from the surface of the
head to the front.

Can anyone give me any ideas as to what to do to fix or replace the head
?

Any experiences, methods or procedures with welding - Brazing - or - even
"maybe" J B Weld ?

I'm sick about it because it could've been avoided if I'd only drained
the engines before winter.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" -
   (_o_)        Remove large pumpkin colored highway signs.
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jan 23 13:06:07 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:06:07 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
In-Reply-To: <BAY121-W2421E8C5B115AD30B058F5D0CF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEKLHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

The only things I would add about JB Weld (or Devcon or Belzona) is to make sure the surfaces of the Vee'd crack are extra super clean, clean, clean.

Don't get the edges where you want adhesion too smooth.  You want it a little rough in order to make a good mechanical bond.

Added insurance would be to warm the head with a torch to drive out any moisture that's lurking in the grain of the iron.  Apply the epoxy while the head is around 100 degrees so it will flow into the surface.

Take care - Elden (been there, done that)
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of john palmer
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:09 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head
> 
> 
> 
> We're telling you to JB it Joe. It's great 
> stuff,never had a problem with it in the right 
> situation.




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jan 23 12:34:13 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:34:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEKLHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <469C679256AB4D04889A897D1F05CB01@tommyd0x52gkco>

Eldon,
	That's a good point.  A little heat will make the epoxy suck
into the crack.  But, if a little heat is used then its probably best
not to use the JB Quick formula.  It sets up in about 5 minutes under
normal (75 degree) temps.  Adding heat can make it set almost on
contact.  I've had great luck with JB Weld and if its just a matter of
stopping a seeping crack on the exterior of a cylinder or head, I'd
prefer it over the other choices (welding or brazing).

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden
DuRand
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 4:06 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head

The only things I would add about JB Weld (or Devcon or Belzona) is to
make sure the surfaces of the Vee'd crack are extra super clean, clean,
clean.

Don't get the edges where you want adhesion too smooth.  You want it a
little rough in order to make a good mechanical bond.

Added insurance would be to warm the head with a torch to drive out any
moisture that's lurking in the grain of the iron.  Apply the epoxy while
the head is around 100 degrees so it will flow into the surface.

Take care - Elden (been there, done that)
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of john palmer
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:09 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head
> 
> 
> 
> We're telling you to JB it Joe. It's great 
> stuff,never had a problem with it in the right 
> situation.


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From james.kangas at timken.com  Fri Jan 23 12:51:39 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:51:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <49795EFF.2040802@gmail.com>
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Hi Ernie,
     You're right and that's why I love pre WW I technology. It's open,accessable,teachable,and understandable to anyone willing to put a little effort in  to it.
You're luckily to have a Dad like you did. Mine despite being raised on a farm was not mechanically inclined and in fact seemed to disdain those that were. So I was left to my own devices. In the '60s they were building the Inter-State near my home and I learned that really big machines could be started with a really small button.When no one was around of course.
    Jim

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Arnie Fero
Sent: Fri 1/23/2009 2:00 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?



Hi Jim,

You hit on one of my main reasons for going to small local, fair type shows.  You
get an opportunity to reach young kids who have no clue what engines are all about.
In five minutes with an open crank engine, the kid really UNDERSTANDS it.

When I was a kid my dad would lift the hood on the family car and we'd discuss how
all the bits worked.  Eventually I got my hands on one of the simple old B&S
lawnmower engines and my buddies and I made a motor wagon.  That poor ol' engine was
taken apart and reassembled so many times it was nearly worn out from THAT activity.

Later I got my own car, a cheap clunker that also received a LOT of work.

Trouble is today with all the electronic gizmos you lift the hood you can't even see
the bloody engine, let alone work on it.  Same goes for the lawnmowers.  A kid just
doesn't have the same opportunity to learn.

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, January 22, 2009 9:24 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote:
> I agree that there are regions in the U.S. where the art and mystery of things
> mechanical does survive but in general the skills and interest are in decline.




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From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Jan 23 13:00:42 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:00:42 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
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Steve the tank is fabricated from corrugated 
roofing iron. The top and bottom are just sheet 
metal cut and rolled and soldered on/in. I 
decided to go with one of these tanks after 
seeing them at the Wagga Rally last year.
Russell


At 03:35 AM 24/01/2009, you wrote:

>Hi Russell, That's a beauty for sure. I looks 
>like the water tank is a section of road culvert 
>pipe, can you buy a cap for the bottom of these 
>or did you fabricate one? Thanks Steve
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:34:16 +1100> To: 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: 
> russell at ncable.com.au> Subject: [SEL] Campbell 
> pic's> > G'day all in engine land! Well to say 
> it's hot is quiet an > understatement! But 
> never feer, I have had way to many hot days 
> in > the shed so we now have the big mother of 
> all air conditioners in the > work shop so a 
> pussy 42 degree day is NO EXCUSE! (YES WE CAN) 
> !!! :-)> > So ..... I found some spare time and 
> had my darling wife help me (Yes > it's true) 
> thread some 1 1/4 in pipe for the cooling 
> system on the > campbell. I needed to get it 
> done so I could run it again. Anyway we > are 
> getting real close for party time at the 
> national Folks! All them > who wish to see may 
> take a peak on my webshot @: > 
> http://community.webshots.com/album/561752495RfcIse 
> Only a couple > more pics there but the old 
> girl is running again. Starts very easy > now 
> and is really getting some good compression 
> up.> > enjoy, Russell> > 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jan 23 13:15:19 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:15:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
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Hi Jim,

My dad was a machinist and did teach me a lot.  Sadly, I also ignored a lot of what
he was trying to teach me when I was in my teens.  I knew it all.  Now, later in
life, owning a home, I sure do wish I had paid closer attention to the home
maintenance tips & tricks he was trying to teach me.

I too had some experience with that "little button" on a dozer (also in the 60's). 
My buddies and I would go play on the machinery where they were putting in a road
and a housing plan.  We never started anything, but we did manage to "drive" them a
number of feet on the starter motor.  We heard later that the cops were looking for
whoever it was who had burned out the starter motor, clutch, etc.  BIG BUKS repair I
heard.  8->>>

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, January 23, 2009 3:51 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote:
>      You're right and that's why I love pre WW I technology. It's
> open,accessable,teachable,and understandable to anyone willing to put a little
> effort in  to it.
> You're luckily to have a Dad like you did. Mine despite being raised on a farm was
> not mechanically inclined and in fact seemed to disdain those that were. So I was
> left to my own devices. In the '60s they were building the Inter-State near my home
> and I learned that really big machines could be started with a really small
> button.When no one was around of course.



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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jan 23 13:19:01 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:19:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
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Russell,
	I want to see that Campbell run.  Post us a video on Youtube.

Tommy




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> > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:34:16 +1100> To: 
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> russell at ncable.com.au> Subject: [SEL] Campbell 
> pic's> > G'day all in engine land! Well to say 
> it's hot is quiet an > understatement! But 
> never feer, I have had way to many hot days 
> in > the shed so we now have the big mother of 
> all air conditioners in the > work shop so a 
> pussy 42 degree day is NO EXCUSE! (YES WE CAN) 
> !!! :-)> > So ..... I found some spare time and 
> had my darling wife help me (Yes > it's true) 
> thread some 1 1/4 in pipe for the cooling 
> system on the > campbell. I needed to get it 
> done so I could run it again. Anyway we > are 
> getting real close for party time at the 
> national Folks! All them > who wish to see may 
> take a peak on my webshot @: > 
> http://community.webshots.com/album/561752495RfcIse 
> Only a couple > more pics there but the old 
> girl is running again. Starts very easy > now 
> and is really getting some good compression 
> up.> > enjoy, Russell> > 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jan 23 13:26:35 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:26:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Slick Willy Sign-Up Process   [OT]
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For those of you who asked about Slick Willy...

Just remember two things.

First, there is no such thing as an "off topic" post on Slick.
And second, as such, ANYTHING is fair game for discussion; politics,
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From james.kangas at timken.com  Fri Jan 23 13:25:08 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:25:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
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Sorry about the name change,I didn't catch that my spell checker changed it from Arnie
  Jim

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Sent: Fri 1/23/2009 3:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?



Hi Ernie,
     You're right and that's why I love pre WW I technology. It's open,accessable,teachable,and understandable to anyone willing to put a little effort in  to it.
You're luckily to have a Dad like you did. Mine despite being raised on a farm was not mechanically inclined and in fact seemed to disdain those that were. So I was left to my own devices. In the '60s they were building the Inter-State near my home and I learned that really big machines could be started with a really small button.When no one was around of course.
    Jim

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Sent: Fri 1/23/2009 2:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?



Hi Jim,

You hit on one of my main reasons for going to small local, fair type shows.  You
get an opportunity to reach young kids who have no clue what engines are all about.
In five minutes with an open crank engine, the kid really UNDERSTANDS it.

When I was a kid my dad would lift the hood on the family car and we'd discuss how
all the bits worked.  Eventually I got my hands on one of the simple old B&S
lawnmower engines and my buddies and I made a motor wagon.  That poor ol' engine was
taken apart and reassembled so many times it was nearly worn out from THAT activity.

Later I got my own car, a cheap clunker that also received a LOT of work.

Trouble is today with all the electronic gizmos you lift the hood you can't even see
the bloody engine, let alone work on it.  Same goes for the lawnmowers.  A kid just
doesn't have the same opportunity to learn.

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, January 22, 2009 9:24 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote:
> I agree that there are regions in the U.S. where the art and mystery of things
> mechanical does survive but in general the skills and interest are in decline.




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From oldironnut at alltel.net  Fri Jan 23 13:48:15 2009
From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:48:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
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On Jan 23, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
> I too had some experience with that "little button" on a dozer (also  
> in the 60's).
> My buddies and I would go play on the machinery where they were  
> putting in a road
> and a housing plan.  We never started anything, but we did manage to  
> "drive" them a
> number of feet on the starter motor.

You city boys!!!!  If I wanted to go start a dozer I went out to where  
we parked the equipment and started our dozer.  In seriousness to the  
thread here, kids today that are raised around tractors and other  
equipment still learn a lot about how to work on relatively simple  
engines.  I know that's how a I got infected with old iron disease.   
Growing up, keeping our '48 SC Case, which is sitting in our barn  
overhang now, running and ready for work was my responsibility.  It's  
not a hit-n-miss open crank engine but it's pretty clear how the suck- 
squeeze-bang-blow concept is applied.  Playing with our engines and  
tractors has certainly served Lincoln well as he takes on the  
restoration of his '70 Jeep Gladiator truck.

See ya',
Mike

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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Fri Jan 23 14:52:44 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:52:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Skills
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com><00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
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I feel very lucky to have been raised the way we were.  Fix everything, 
throw away nothing.

MR
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Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:41 PM
Subject: [SEL] Skills


> "The skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping
> away with each new generation. Jim"
>
> It does seem that fewer and fewer people have the skills to repair
> things.  The other day a co-worker brought in the top from a seltzer
> bottle with a bad seal.  He knew I worked on things and he couldn't get
> a part taken off.
>
> I looked at it and noticed some internal threads so it was obvious that
> the part screwed in and just needed a simple tool to unscrew it.  I took
> it home and probably didn't take me a minute to have it apart.  I then
> made a quick tool for him out of a 3 cent flat washer with a few notches
> cut in it.
>
> He was thrilled and is buying me lunch next week for helping him!
>
> Guess I should be glad there are people that need my help, but at the
> same time it does make you wonder how many people in the future will be
> able to fix things after we're gone.
>
> George
>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Jan 23 15:24:27 2009
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:24:27 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Skills
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On Jan 23, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Mike Royster wrote:

> I feel very lucky to have been raised the way we were.  Fix  
> everything,
> throw away nothing.

Yeah, we saw the pictures of your shop.
























From Jim at hardmanfamily.net  Fri Jan 23 16:00:16 2009
From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:00:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
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Message-ID: <FB2C5EFC2CD74AD0ACB5BBD6FAD42235@JamesDesktop>

Hi all...

I spent my working life in the epoxy business and agree that the 5-minute 
formulations are not the best for water resistance.  The slower setting 
varieties will perform a lot better, especially when driven to a more 
complete cure under heat.  Yes, warming the head at the time of application 
will thin the mix and promote pentration.

I used a 5-minute epoxy to make a repair inside a boat house and a year 
later it had reverted to a cheezy mass, about like chewing gum except easily 
flaked.  Slower varieties will do a lot better inside shower stalls, boat 
houses or engine water jackets.

My father-in-law repaired his broken boat throttle with our 5-minute epoxy 
and it scared the lights out of me when he'd come charging in to the dock at 
a full plane and then haul back on the throttle at the last second.  The 
good Lord was watching over him. Repairing a broken throttle arm with a 
butt-joint repair with 5-minute stuff ain't smart.

If I can offer a suggestion to anyone using epoxies, mix them twice as long 
as you think you have to.  The extra mixing time allows greater association 
between the resin and the curing agent and results in a much stronger cure. 
And avoid adding solvents to either thin the mix or extend potlife. 
Reaction rate doubles with an increase of about 18 degrees fahrenheit (10 
degs. C.) which also benefits the final cure.

Maximum temperature allowed varies with the recipe, but anything over the 
boiling point of water should be suspect.  Use silicones to repair anything 
exposed to higher temperatures.  JB Weld should do fine for a crack in an 
engine head as long as there's enough cast iron to take the stresses of 
compression and ignition.

As for surface prep, grind down into fresh metal and wash down the surfaces 
with  a fast solvent like toluene to get rid of any oil residue.  Avoid 
mineral spirits (paint thinner), it takes too long to evaporate.  Wipe up 
the solvent with a clean rag, that's the only way to reduce oil film. 
Evaporation just leaves the oil behind.

But I'll bet you already know all this.

Jim in frozen Vermont


> Eldon,
> That's a good point.  A little heat will make the epoxy suck
> into the crack.  But, if a little heat is used then its probably best
> not to use the JB Quick formula.  It sets up in about 5 minutes under
> normal (75 degree) temps.  Adding heat can make it set almost on
> contact.  I've had great luck with JB Weld and if its just a matter of
> stopping a seeping crack on the exterior of a cylinder or head, I'd
> prefer it over the other choices (welding or brazing).
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY 



From james.kangas at timken.com  Fri Jan 23 16:11:37 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:11:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Skills
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com><00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
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I too have had similar situations which always disturb me. The other person is usually an otherwise intelligent person but appears to lack basic problem solving skills. It doesn't look good for the future, but then again our U.S. economy is no longer based on manufacturing so you will find people who say that mechanical skills aren't really that necessary anymore.Technology will provide the answers.
  Jim

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Sent: Fri 1/23/2009 1:41 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Skills



"The skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping
away with each new generation. Jim"

It does seem that fewer and fewer people have the skills to repair
things.  The other day a co-worker brought in the top from a seltzer
bottle with a bad seal.  He knew I worked on things and he couldn't get
a part taken off.

I looked at it and noticed some internal threads so it was obvious that
the part screwed in and just needed a simple tool to unscrew it.  I took
it home and probably didn't take me a minute to have it apart.  I then
made a quick tool for him out of a 3 cent flat washer with a few notches
cut in it.

He was thrilled and is buying me lunch next week for helping him!

Guess I should be glad there are people that need my help, but at the
same time it does make you wonder how many people in the future will be
able to fix things after we're gone.

George 


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From james.kangas at timken.com  Fri Jan 23 16:12:16 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:12:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <49795EFF.2040802@gmail.com><9dd9dacc3462e0fc69a3813262100da6.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC6@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
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Hi Arnie,
      As far as burning out a starter motor, well you got to break a few eggs to make an omelet
Or if it ain't broke you aren't trying hard enough
      Jim.

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From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Arnie Fero
Sent: Fri 1/23/2009 4:15 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?



Hi Jim,

My dad was a machinist and did teach me a lot.  Sadly, I also ignored a lot of what
he was trying to teach me when I was in my teens.  I knew it all.  Now, later in
life, owning a home, I sure do wish I had paid closer attention to the home
maintenance tips & tricks he was trying to teach me.

I too had some experience with that "little button" on a dozer (also in the 60's).
My buddies and I would go play on the machinery where they were putting in a road
and a housing plan.  We never started anything, but we did manage to "drive" them a
number of feet on the starter motor.  We heard later that the cops were looking for
whoever it was who had burned out the starter motor, clutch, etc.  BIG BUKS repair I
heard.  8->>>

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, January 23, 2009 3:51 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote:
>      You're right and that's why I love pre WW I technology. It's
> open,accessable,teachable,and understandable to anyone willing to put a little
> effort in  to it.
> You're luckily to have a Dad like you did. Mine despite being raised on a farm was
> not mechanically inclined and in fact seemed to disdain those that were. So I was
> left to my own devices. In the '60s they were building the Inter-State near my home
> and I learned that really big machines could be started with a really small
> button.When no one was around of course.



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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jan 23 17:26:51 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:26:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
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Tommy:

I'd much rather give the epoxy a try on old iron rather than weld or braze.  Too much heat stress could make the crack worse, even if it is drilled.

If the epoxy proves to not do the job on a particular project, then it's time to get out the smoke tools.

Take care - Elden
In Port St. Joe, Florida - In the heart of The Redneck Riviera
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Judge Tommy
> Turner
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 02:34 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head
> 
> 
> Eldon,
> 	That's a good point.  A little heat will 
> make the epoxy suck
> into the crack.  But, if a little heat is used 
> then its probably best
> not to use the JB Quick formula.  It sets up in 
> about 5 minutes under
> normal (75 degree) temps.  Adding heat can make 
> it set almost on
> contact.  I've had great luck with JB Weld and if 
> its just a matter of
> stopping a seeping crack on the exterior of a 
> cylinder or head, I'd
> prefer it over the other choices (welding or brazing).
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 23 17:36:48 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:36:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
Message-ID: <488202.19683.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Joe,
Check out this torch.
IF you decide to weld it why not use a cast iron rod?
http://www.cut-like-plasma.com/info_welding_cast_iron.htm

Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 1/23/09, jlb94 <jlb94 at juno.com> wrote:

From: jlb94 <jlb94 at juno.com>
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 10:50 AM

Hi List,

Well - - - I finally did it.? Ignored the advise of others and never
thought it would get cold enough in my garage to freeze the water in the
engines.

With this cold snap ( minus 8? ) the water in my Jaeger 2? HP S froze and
cracked the head.

There is a crack on the left side about 2" long from the surface of the
head to the front.

Can anyone give me any ideas as to what to do to fix or replace the head
?

Any experiences, methods or procedures with welding - Brazing - or - even
"maybe" J B Weld ?

I'm sick about it because it could've been avoided if I'd only drained
the engines before winter.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
???,-._,-.? ? ? http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
???\/)"(\/? ? ???" Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - 
???(_o_)? ? ? ? Remove large pumpkin colored highway signs.
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jan 23 18:11:14 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:11:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
Message-ID: <20090123.211114.1356.1.jlb94>

Hi Joe,
Check out this torch.
=        =        =        =        =
Hi Alan,
Thanks for the info.
I've heard of this torch but never seen it.
I'd have to look into it more.

Thanks - I'll give it some thought.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - 
   (_o_)        Remove large pumpkin colored highway signs.

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From mcghee9 at comcast.net  Fri Jan 23 18:14:56 2009
From: mcghee9 at comcast.net (Carl McGhee)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:14:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
References: <20090123.110113.1392.12.jlb94>
Message-ID: <00cc01c97dc9$8dc7a660$0402a8c0@Carl>

Hi joe,
I personaly prefer Marine-Tex over J.B. weld. You can find it at any marina.

Carl McGhee
Battle Creek, Mi.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jlb94" <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:50 AM
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head


Hi List,

Well - - - I finally did it.  Ignored the advise of others and never
thought it would get cold enough in my garage to freeze the water in the
engines.

With this cold snap ( minus 8? ) the water in my Jaeger 2? HP S froze and
cracked the head.

There is a crack on the left side about 2" long from the surface of the
head to the front.

Can anyone give me any ideas as to what to do to fix or replace the head
?

Any experiences, methods or procedures with welding - Brazing - or - even
"maybe" J B Weld ?

I'm sick about it because it could've been avoided if I'd only drained
the engines before winter.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" -
   (_o_)        Remove large pumpkin colored highway signs.
____________________________________________________________
Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement 
project.
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2eRIKvFIBialYqLsV2iT5uDBwYVFqoVRjPx5HSeZAQem1Kl/
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Jan 23 18:26:41 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:26:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Skills
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC35F1@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.a
	d.adp.com>
References: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp>
	<EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>
	<20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
	<942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com>
	<00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20090123211725.013c2dc8@pop3.wcoil.com>

I was told a while back and I believe this, that if things go badly in the 
next few years that those who can repair almost anything will do well in 
the bad times. Like the blacksmith of the village. I'm not talking about 
remove and replacers I'm talking about remove, repair said removed item and 
reinstall.  The industrial arts shops in schools have largely given way to 
the computer shop.         Mark



At 12:41 PM 1/23/2009 -0600, you wrote:
>"The skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping
>away with each new generation. Jim"
>
>It does seem that fewer and fewer people have the skills to repair
>things.  The other day a co-worker brought in the top from a seltzer
>bottle with a bad seal.  He knew I worked on things and he couldn't get
>a part taken off.
>
>I looked at it and noticed some internal threads so it was obvious that
>the part screwed in and just needed a simple tool to unscrew it.  I took
>it home and probably didn't take me a minute to have it apart.  I then
>made a quick tool for him out of a 3 cent flat washer with a few notches
>cut in it.
>
>He was thrilled and is buying me lunch next week for helping him!
>
>Guess I should be glad there are people that need my help, but at the
>same time it does make you wonder how many people in the future will be
>able to fix things after we're gone.
>
>George
>
>
>This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the 
>addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 
>If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an 
>authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby 
>notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly 
>prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please 
>notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments 
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Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

Frappi at wcoil.com
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 23 18:40:57 2009
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:40:57 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Skills
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com><00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC35F1@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FCC@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
Message-ID: <003001c97dcd$3057fc10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>



I too have had similar situations which always disturb me.
The other person is usually an otherwise intelligent person
but appears to lack basic problem solving skills.
Jim


I havent seen a big increase in the amount of spoon feeding
needed by customers in the last twenty years .  Reasonably
intelligent people can figure all this stuff out , you just cant
always make them WANT to





///////////////
you will find people who say that mechanical skills aren't really
 that necessary anymore.Technology will provide the answers.
Jim


That is doublespeak for
 "We aint gonna build 'em here anyway....buh-bye "
There's a book idea in there .. "Learning to speak Orwellian "   for 
homeschoolers .
Go ahead and run with it . Im not a litigious sort .



chuck





 



From endacomm10 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 23 19:04:14 2009
From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:04:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Skills
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.1.20090123211725.013c2dc8@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <5656.50118.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

What's even worse. The Computer Shops you mention do NOT teach "Repair",
  Only Replace. What's going to be even more rare, And in demand. Will be the
  individuals who can bridge ALL the above (Meaning Repair,Rebuild,OR Re-Create)
   
    There are MANY On here who have expressed their apptitude for Re-Creation
  Many times simplyout of Desire, Rather then necessity. I Blame all this 
  "Pull it - Trash it - Replace with new part" On society's inherant IMPATIENCE !
  It takes time to MAKE a new part from scratch. Even IF you have the equipment
  and Materials (And Skill) to do it, It's usually the impatient nature of the beast that
  wins out in the end. (Yet another SAD testament to the times)
   
     Fathers need to pass on their knowledge to their young, When they ARE young.
  If you wait till they are in their teens, it's too late. They either already know
  (Or atleast THINK they know) More than you and your efforts will fall on deaf ears.
   
  Back when I was a kid (Late 50's early 60's) My father was sharper than most I guess
  He started teacking us as soon as we could pick up a tool, The correct use and care
  of it. And saw to it we had almost any concievable basic tool to learn with. Adding to
  this He taught us how to ADAPT a tool to a specific purpose. (Which eventually
  required a huge addition to the "Tool Storage Area" of a Hand built SPECIAL TOOLS
  box)  We learned early hot to create a $100 Tool from a $2 corner hardware store tool.
   Which brings up another thing. Where did all those "Corner Supply Houses" go ?
  Only the Shadow Knows !  <Sigh>
   
     Please forgive the legnth of this. But I COULD go on almost indefinitely So I better
  close.
   
     !! Best to all in this new year !!
And May YOUR Passions NEVER be your UnDoing...
  
Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
  I was told a while back and I believe this, that if things go badly in the 
next few years that those who can repair almost anything will do well in 
the bad times. Like the blacksmith of the village. I'm not talking about 
remove and replacers I'm talking about remove, repair said removed item and 
reinstall. The industrial arts shops in schools have largely given way to 
the computer shop. Mark



At 12:41 PM 1/23/2009 -0600, you wrote:
>"The skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping
>away with each new generation. Jim"
>
>It does seem that fewer and fewer people have the skills to repair
>things. The other day a co-worker brought in the top from a seltzer
>bottle with a bad seal. He knew I worked on things and he couldn't get
>a part taken off.
>
>I looked at it and noticed some internal threads so it was obvious that
>the part screwed in and just needed a simple tool to unscrew it. I took
>it home and probably didn't take me a minute to have it apart. I then
>made a quick tool for him out of a 3 cent flat washer with a few notches
>cut in it.
>
>He was thrilled and is buying me lunch next week for helping him!
>
>Guess I should be glad there are people that need my help, but at the
>same time it does make you wonder how many people in the future will be
>able to fix things after we're gone.
>
>George
>
>
>This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the 
>addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 
>If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an 
>authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby 
>notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly 
>prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please 
>notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments 
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Mark Shulaw
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Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA

Frappi at wcoil.com
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From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Jan 23 19:33:38 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:33:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Skills
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.1.20090123211725.013c2dc8@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>	<5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>	<002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp>	<EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>	<20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>	<942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com>	<00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<5.2.0.9.1.20090123211725.013c2dc8@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <497A8C12.4030408@telenet.net>

Mark Shulaw wrote:
> I was told a while back and I believe this, that if things go badly in the 
> next few years that those who can repair almost anything will do well in 
> the bad times. Like the blacksmith of the village. I'm not talking about 
> remove and replacers I'm talking about remove, repair said removed item and 
> reinstall.  The industrial arts shops in schools have largely given way to 
> the computer shop.         Mark
> 

The local school still runs a reasonable IA class, but nothing real
career oriented. I don't think they even do any metalwork.

-- 
Steve Williams


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 00:14:18 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:14:18 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Skills
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC35F1@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp>
	<EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>
	<20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
	<942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com>
	<00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC35F1@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901240014l4a86b660k1facd07aa6c6d139@mail.gmail.com>

On 23/01/2009, Best, George <George_Best at adp.com> wrote:
> "The skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping
> away with each new generation. Jim"
>
> It does seem that fewer and fewer people have the skills to repair
> things.

Perhaps the generation that we mostly belonged to were brought up just
at the end or just after the end of WWII, and had to go through the
shortages and for some, the deprivations of that period. You never
forget those early days and the things you had to go without and the
'make do' situations with home affairs.

The later generations never had to cope with rationing (twice) or such
things as no TV, no central heating, no cars in the driveway (or no
driveway!) and so on.

I'll be 63 next month, and can clearly remember rationing after WWII
and most of the shortages that we went through as a family. You never
forget, so yes, we do tend to hoard stuff and mend old equipment that
would have been thrown away, and if we get a bit of enjoyment out of
doing so, then that's all to the good.

Skills per se are gradually being lost as they are not taught any more
in schools or college:

Our own Ruston & Hornsby horizontal open-crank diesel was from
Abingdon technical College, thermodynamics teaching facility. The
college decided that they would drop the courses so the entire lab was
closed and disposed of.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sat Jan 24 07:36:05 2009
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 07:36:05 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Skills
In-Reply-To: <007d01c97dad$4df8b950$66674b47@mikecomp>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp>
	<EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>
	<20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
	<942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com>
	<00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC35F1@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<007d01c97dad$4df8b950$66674b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <20090124123608.EBF9C2282BA@md5.pennswoods.net>

Mike i know what you are saying. The problems with todays youth is 
they don't haft to do with out any thing. Just ask and it will be 
handed to you. We done with out a lot as i was growing up but had 
what we needed.
R Fink


At 05:52 PM 1/23/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>I feel very lucky to have been raised the way we were.  Fix everything,
>throw away nothing.
>
>MR
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:41 PM
>Subject: [SEL] Skills
>
>
> > "The skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping
> > away with each new generation. Jim"
> >
> > It does seem that fewer and fewer people have the skills to repair
> > things.  The other day a co-worker brought in the top from a seltzer
> > bottle with a bad seal.  He knew I worked on things and he couldn't get
> > a part taken off.
> >
> > I looked at it and noticed some internal threads so it was obvious that
> > the part screwed in and just needed a simple tool to unscrew it.  I took
> > it home and probably didn't take me a minute to have it apart.  I then
> > made a quick tool for him out of a 3 cent flat washer with a few notches
> > cut in it.
> >
> > He was thrilled and is buying me lunch next week for helping him!
> >
> > Guess I should be glad there are people that need my help, but at the
> > same time it does make you wonder how many people in the future will be
> > able to fix things after we're gone.
> >
> > George
> >
> >
> > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the
> > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential.
> > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an
> > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby
> > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly
> > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please
> > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments
> > from your system.
> >
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jan 24 07:46:16 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:46:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Skills
In-Reply-To: <5656.50118.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIELGHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

I was taught early by Dad to try to fix things before going out and buying a replacement.  He was a product of the Great Depression, a time when you had to make do with what you had.

It's interesting to note that my grandfather was definitely NOT technical.  He was a businessman and never touched a tool as far as I know.  How Dad got his mechanical knowledge is a mystery.  He told of when he was a kid, buying things like a $5 Model T Ford and overhauling it with his friends.  He was also interested in that newfangled thing called "radio".  He was playing with a home made radio, listening to the Morse signals one night and accidentally stumbled onto KDKA which was transmitting its first voice program.  He was a Ham radio operator before he had to have a license (his first "ticket" was 9EKA).  Thankfully, he passed some of his aptitudes along to me.

Now, I get a great deal of satisfaction out of "Cheating The Junk Man".  THANKS, Dad!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Jan 24 10:41:36 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:41:36 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head/Vee grinding
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1232816402.3638.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090124202902.00c4de68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>


>From: Germoamer at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head
>
>Joe,
>
>I would clean out the crack with a die grinder and use JB Weld in it.   I
>have done this on several heads with good results heating them up to 
>boiling  and
>never leaked.  Think of it this way, if it does not work, you have lost
>nothing since you just clean it out again and then have it welded.
>
>Tom  Schmutz

Hi Tom,
         This answer is not specifically to your post as you are using JB 
Weld. It's more for those who are going the welding way but you mentioned 
"die grinder".

          I'm no expert but have always been told NOT to use a grinder (of 
the abrasive type) to vee out a groove for cast iron welding as the 
abrasive (carborundum??) particles left behind in the metal may cause 
problems with the weld. I've always been told to only use a file!

         Could you guys give us the benefit of your knowledge on this subject ?

         Thanks from me who has just had a lovely day because I decided to 
"bugger" everyone else today and do some engine related work for myself. 
Nothing fancy, just making a tubing frame to hold the little Vincent engine 
but it was "for me" for a change !!


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Jan 24 10:48:25 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:48:25 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head/Epoxy information
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1232816402.3638.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090124204359.00c0fe50@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 24/01/2009, you wrote:
>From: "Jim Hardman" <Jim at hardmanfamily.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head
>
>Hi all...
>
>I spent my working life in the epoxy business and agree that the 5-minute
>formulations are not the best for water resistance.  The slower setting
>varieties will perform a lot better, especially when driven to a more
>complete cure under heat.  Yes, warming the head at the time of application
>will thin the mix and promote pentration.
>
>I used a 5-minute epoxy to make a repair inside a boat house and a year
>later it had reverted to a cheezy mass, about like chewing gum except easily
>flaked.  Slower varieties will do a lot better inside shower stalls, boat
>houses or engine water jackets.
>
>My father-in-law repaired his broken boat throttle with our 5-minute epoxy
>and it scared the lights out of me when he'd come charging in to the dock at
>a full plane and then haul back on the throttle at the last second.  The
>good Lord was watching over him. Repairing a broken throttle arm with a
>butt-joint repair with 5-minute stuff ain't smart.
>
>If I can offer a suggestion to anyone using epoxies, mix them twice as long
>as you think you have to.  The extra mixing time allows greater association
>between the resin and the curing agent and results in a much stronger cure.
>And avoid adding solvents to either thin the mix or extend potlife.
>Reaction rate doubles with an increase of about 18 degrees fahrenheit (10
>degs. C.) which also benefits the final cure.
>
>Maximum temperature allowed varies with the recipe, but anything over the
>boiling point of water should be suspect.  Use silicones to repair anything
>exposed to higher temperatures.  JB Weld should do fine for a crack in an
>engine head as long as there's enough cast iron to take the stresses of
>compression and ignition.
>
>As for surface prep, grind down into fresh metal and wash down the surfaces
>with  a fast solvent like toluene to get rid of any oil residue.  Avoid
>mineral spirits (paint thinner), it takes too long to evaporate.  Wipe up
>the solvent with a clean rag, that's the only way to reduce oil film.
>Evaporation just leaves the oil behind.
>But I'll bet you already know all this.
>Jim in frozen Vermont

Jim,
         Thanks for the post - very interesting and a few things to remember.

         Now, is there an epoxy that will successfully bond to "brass to 
brass" ? I mean really bond it - not just stick it together.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From kosh at ncweb.com  Sat Jan 24 11:23:02 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:23:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <ABF5D35C-5A98-4BD6-BD6F-0D7887B2DD34@herculesengines.com>
References: <68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
	<59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090124142000.03863570@ncweb.com>

A friend of mine built a nice high ceiling 40x60 a few years ago.

Talked to him this week, he's clearing trees for the addition.

Dave Merchant


At 06:29 PM 1/22/2009, you wrote:

>I just uploaded some additional photos of the barn construction.  The
>caused a few days delay but they plan to finish it tomorrow.  Here are
>the photos:
>http://s592.photobucket.com/albums/tt1/KeithKinney/New%20Barn%20January%202009/
>Keith
>
>
>Keith Kinney
>kkinney at herculesengines.com
>WWW.HerculesEngines.com
>
>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 24 12:20:32 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:20:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC7@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
References: <49795EFF.2040802@gmail.com><9dd9dacc3462e0fc69a3813262100da6.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
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	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC7@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
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No worries mate.  You can call me anything you like except late for dinner.  8-))

On Fri, January 23, 2009 4:25 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote:
> Sorry about the name change,I didn't catch that my spell checker changed it from
> Arnie
>   Jim




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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jan 24 14:31:02 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:31:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head/Vee grinding
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090124202902.00c4de68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIELLHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

Just get a solid carbide rotary file for the die grinder.  I've used 'em a few times and have had no adhesion problems.

I do have some of that aluminum solder stuff you occasionally see at flea markets.  They say to NOT use steel wire brushes to clean the surfaces of the aluminum before soldering.  Only use brass or bronze bristle brushes.  I've used that stuff and it works reasonably well if you can get enough heat to the area.  

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 12:42 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head/Vee grinding
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Germoamer at aol.com
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head
> >
> >Joe,
> >
> >I would clean out the crack with a die grinder 
> and use JB Weld in it.   I
> >have done this on several heads with good 
> results heating them up to 
> >boiling  and
> >never leaked.  Think of it this way, if it does 
> not work, you have lost
> >nothing since you just clean it out again and 
> then have it welded.
> >
> >Tom  Schmutz
> 
> Hi Tom,
>          This answer is not specifically to your 
> post as you are using JB 
> Weld. It's more for those who are going the 
> welding way but you mentioned 
> "die grinder".
> 
>           I'm no expert but have always been told 
> NOT to use a grinder (of 
> the abrasive type) to vee out a groove for cast 
> iron welding as the 
> abrasive (carborundum??) particles left behind in 
> the metal may cause 
> problems with the weld. I've always been told to 
> only use a file!
> 
>          Could you guys give us the benefit of 
> your knowledge on this subject ?
> 
>          Thanks from me who has just had a lovely 
> day because I decided to 
> "bugger" everyone else today and do some engine 
> related work for myself. 
> Nothing fancy, just making a tubing frame to hold 
> the little Vincent engine 
> but it was "for me" for a change !!
> 
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>




From Jim at hardmanfamily.net  Sat Jan 24 14:09:49 2009
From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:09:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head/Epoxy information
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090124204359.00c0fe50@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090124204359.00c0fe50@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <A8255498A694433A95B388A997526550@JamesDesktop>

Jerry, specify a "high peel strength" epoxy for brass.  It doesn't cure as 
hard as most epoxies, you can dent the stuff with your fingernail.  But it 
sticks like grim death.

The secret with brass is surface preparation (as rough as possible and as 
clean as possible) and thick sections of brass to prevent "stretching" off 
the bond when stressed.

Epoxies bond well due to their ability to wet the surface;  these chemicals 
have the ability to gain really close molecular contact.  But mechanical 
roughness (rough grinding) truly helps mechanical purchase.

With all epoxies, wash up well with plenty of soap and hot water after use. 
There are no "safety cures" that really avoid possible skin rash.  Everyone 
has a natural threshold resistance to dermatitis (a rash like poison ivy), 
but once the threshold is reached, the user becomes sensitized and has to 
avoid epoxies in the future.  It's like rolling in poison ivy as a kid.  The 
first or second time you got away with it, but after that, just get near the 
ivy patch and you had the rash.  Just be clean... most of our shop mates 
formulated epoxies for years with no ill effects.

Jim in Vermont

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head/Epoxy information


> At 07:00 PM 24/01/2009, you wrote:
>>From: "Jim Hardman" <Jim at hardmanfamily.net>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head
>>
>>Hi all...
>>
>>I spent my working life in the epoxy business and agree that the 5-minute
>>formulations are not the best for water resistance.  The slower setting
>>varieties will perform a lot better, especially when driven to a more
>>complete cure under heat.  Yes, warming the head at the time of 
>>application
>>will thin the mix and promote pentration.
>>
>>I used a 5-minute epoxy to make a repair inside a boat house and a year
>>later it had reverted to a cheezy mass, about like chewing gum except 
>>easily
>>flaked.  Slower varieties will do a lot better inside shower stalls, boat
>>houses or engine water jackets.
>>
>>My father-in-law repaired his broken boat throttle with our 5-minute epoxy
>>and it scared the lights out of me when he'd come charging in to the dock 
>>at
>>a full plane and then haul back on the throttle at the last second.  The
>>good Lord was watching over him. Repairing a broken throttle arm with a
>>butt-joint repair with 5-minute stuff ain't smart.
>>
>>If I can offer a suggestion to anyone using epoxies, mix them twice as 
>>long
>>as you think you have to.  The extra mixing time allows greater 
>>association
>>between the resin and the curing agent and results in a much stronger 
>>cure.
>>And avoid adding solvents to either thin the mix or extend potlife.
>>Reaction rate doubles with an increase of about 18 degrees fahrenheit (10
>>degs. C.) which also benefits the final cure.
>>
>>Maximum temperature allowed varies with the recipe, but anything over the
>>boiling point of water should be suspect.  Use silicones to repair 
>>anything
>>exposed to higher temperatures.  JB Weld should do fine for a crack in an
>>engine head as long as there's enough cast iron to take the stresses of
>>compression and ignition.
>>
>>As for surface prep, grind down into fresh metal and wash down the 
>>surfaces
>>with  a fast solvent like toluene to get rid of any oil residue.  Avoid
>>mineral spirits (paint thinner), it takes too long to evaporate.  Wipe up
>>the solvent with a clean rag, that's the only way to reduce oil film.
>>Evaporation just leaves the oil behind.
>>But I'll bet you already know all this.
>>Jim in frozen Vermont
>
> Jim,
>         Thanks for the post - very interesting and a few things to 
> remember.
>
>         Now, is there an epoxy that will successfully bond to "brass to
> brass" ? I mean really bond it - not just stick it together.
>
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Sat Jan 24 21:29:33 2009
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:29:33 -0600
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
References: <59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
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>
We'll the barn is pretty much done.  They are coming back Tuesday to  
install the down spouts and some bracing.

Tommy, your right, that porch is going to be real nice. Right now  
we're planing on setting up our saw mill there.  But who knows how it  
will end up being used.  We've also thought about setting up our  
sorghum syrup furnace and cane mill under the porch.  Lots of options.

Glenn.  Yep, several engines outside will find a nice dry, cold, home  
in the barn.  We worked on Reid today while we could borrow the  
construction crews off road fork truck.  Talk about a sweet machine  
for working around oil field engines.  We'll have to schedule the barn  
party for warmer weather. :-)

Peter.  It is a very nice sized building.  If I were going to order a  
building I'd probably go with a little wider building but we had to  
work with what we had so no complaints here.

Ron.  You asked about the posts.  A hole was drilled 3'+ into the  
ground.  A dry bag of cement mix is poured into the hole.  Then the  
post is placed into the hole and another dry 80 lb. bag a cement mix  
is poured around the post.  The dry mix pulls moisture from the ground  
and sets up.  If the hole is still not full it is back filled with dirt.

If you remember from my original post this kit was from a project that  
was canceled when the original owner's business plans changed.  They  
barn had set mostly outside for 2 years in a pile.  Some of the lumber  
and the hardware had been stored in a garage. It was originally  
supposed to have 8' side walls.  We replaced the posts with 4' longer  
posts and made the walls 12.5' tall to accommodate our taller  
treasures.  This is why you see the 4' tall wainscoting around the  
bottom of the structure.  We used the metal that was originally slated  
to be the interior ceiling for the wainscoting and ceiling of the  
porch.  Not the prettiest but functional.  It also didn't have any  
drive through doors.  To make room for the drive through doors we  
moved the porch from the end where it was originally supposed to be  
around to the side and lengthen it 16' to make the best use of the  
roofing material we had.  We then added 12' wide by 10' tall sliding  
doors on each end of the barn.

I thought the copula and wether vane were a nice touch.  I wouldn't  
have ordered one but it came with the kit. :-)

Here are the latest pictures:
http://s592.photobucket.com/albums/tt1/KeithKinney/New Barn January  
2009/?albumview=slideshow

I probably won't post any more photos until it's filled. :-)
Keith



Keith Kinney
kkinney at herculesengines.com
WWW.HerculesEngines.com





From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jan 25 06:26:28 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:26:28 EST
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head/Vee grinding
Message-ID: <d45.3b86aba3.36add094@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/24/2009 1:50:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

I'm no expert but have always been told NOT to use a grinder (of  
the abrasive type) to vee out a groove for cast iron welding as the  
abrasive (carborundum??) particles left behind in the metal may cause  
problems with the weld. I've always been told to only use a  file!


Jerry,
 
You are correct in not using abrasive type grinding tips to clean up  metal 
for epoxy repairs.  What I have are a couple of air die grinders  and use high 
speed/carbide cutting tips to do the work.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jan 25 06:46:49 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:46:49 EST
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head/Vee grinding
Message-ID: <c6f.31835609.36add559@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/24/2009 1:50:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

I'm no expert but have always been told NOT to use a grinder (of  
the abrasive type) to vee out a groove for cast iron welding as the  
abrasive (carborundum??) particles left behind in the metal may cause  
problems with the weld. I've always been told to only use a  file!
 
Jerry,
 
I use a lot of small carbide burrs much like:
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/CARBIDE-BURRS-100-PCS-1-8-MIXED-LOT_W0QQitemZ320334215185Q
QcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item320334215185&_trksid=p3911.c0.m1
4&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
 
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jan 25 06:54:28 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:54:28 EST
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
Message-ID: <c1c.4b5b92cc.36add724@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/23/2009 8:41:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
rustaholic777 at yahoo.com writes:

Check  out this torch.
IF you decide to weld it why not use a cast iron rod?
_http://www.cut-like-plasma.com/info_welding_cast_iron.htm_ 
(http://www.cut-like-plasma.com/info_welding_cast_iron.htm) 
 
Alan,
 
Anyone ever used this torch?  Looks like a nice item to have in the  shop.
 

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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Jan 25 08:21:55 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:21:55 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head/Epoxy information
In-Reply-To: <A8255498A694433A95B388A997526550@JamesDesktop>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEMDHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jim:

Interesting stuff!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jim Hardman
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 04:10 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head/Epoxy information
> 
> 
> Jerry, specify a "high peel strength" epoxy for 
> brass.  It doesn't cure as 
> hard as most epoxies, you can dent the stuff with 
> your fingernail.  But it 
> sticks like grim death.
> 
> The secret with brass is surface preparation (as 
> rough as possible and as 
> clean as possible) and thick sections of brass to 
> prevent "stretching" off 
> the bond when stressed.
> 
> Epoxies bond well due to their ability to wet the 
> surface;  these chemicals 
> have the ability to gain really close molecular 
> contact.  But mechanical 
> roughness (rough grinding) truly helps mechanical 
> purchase.
> 
> With all epoxies, wash up well with plenty of 
> soap and hot water after use. 
> There are no "safety cures" that really avoid 
> possible skin rash.  Everyone 
> has a natural threshold resistance to dermatitis 
> (a rash like poison ivy), 
> but once the threshold is reached, the user 
> becomes sensitized and has to 
> avoid epoxies in the future.  It's like rolling 
> in poison ivy as a kid.  The 
> first or second time you got away with it, but 
> after that, just get near the 
> ivy patch and you had the rash.  Just be clean... 
> most of our shop mates 
> formulated epoxies for years with no ill effects.
> 
> Jim in Vermont




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jan 25 10:22:19 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 13:22:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <2EA69F73-9698-47F2-AB77-3A2C3166E217@herculesengines.com>
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Message-ID: <7c7ee4d706e54aa1584586270ab245f2.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Keith,

I finally took a look at your project.  WOW!!!  Man, that's what I need!
Well done!!  Always being up for a good party with sweet stack music playing in the
background, might I suggest a Bar-B-Que at or near Siam 2009?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, January 25, 2009 12:29 am, Keith Kinney wrote:
> We'll have to schedule the barn
> party for warmer weather. :-)




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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Jan 25 11:23:11 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:23:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
References: <20090123113417.969B190B05@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <005f01c97f22$5caff1e0$66674b47@mikecomp>

That is one great slideshow, and I love the shop and old signs.  My kind of 
place.

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:34 AM
Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's


> G'day all in engine land! Well to say it's hot is quiet an
> understatement! But never feer, I have had way to many hot days in
> the shed so we now have the big mother of all air conditioners in the
> work shop so a pussy 42 degree day is NO EXCUSE!  (YES WE CAN)  !!! :-)
>
> So ..... I found some spare time and had my darling wife help me (Yes
> it's true) thread some 1 1/4 in pipe for the cooling system on the
> campbell. I needed to get it done so I could run it again. Anyway we
> are getting real close for party time at the national Folks! All them
> who wish to see may take a peak on my webshot @:
> http://community.webshots.com/album/561752495RfcIse  Only a couple
> more pics there but the old girl is running again. Starts very easy
> now and is really getting some good compression up.
>
> enjoy, Russell
>
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jan 25 12:16:08 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:16:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT Happy Australia Day
Message-ID: <D46404519F0141199A3BBD815330AC0A@PML>

To all my fellow Australians: Happy Australia Day!
No engine display for me this year as we are still catching up after our big
trip & my trailer has a cracked axle (repairs never end with trailers). Our
club is doing a few displays this year. I may start something her at home
and we are (of course) going to have a BBQ :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jan 25 13:08:06 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:08:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Gear Cutting Needed
In-Reply-To: <A8255498A694433A95B388A997526550@JamesDesktop>
Message-ID: <AA865D88F0FC479FA5B670E098E61C77@tommydk7hxjr4h>

 
I need to have a bevel gear cut.  Does anyone have a the name of a
person who does this?  I have had Phil Goetz of Michigan cut gears for
me before and he does super work but he's not set up to cut bevels.  Any
contact info is appreciated.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun Jan 25 13:21:41 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:21:41 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
In-Reply-To: <005f01c97f22$5caff1e0$66674b47@mikecomp>
References: <20090123113417.969B190B05@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
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Thanks Mike, The shop fillers add plenty of character to the place.

Tommy I will have a crack at making a video soon and get it onto you tube!
Will be a week or two
Russell

At 06:23 AM 26/01/2009, you wrote:
>That is one great slideshow, and I love the shop and old signs.  My kind of
>place.
>
>MR
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:34 AM
>Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
>
>
> > G'day all in engine land! Well to say it's hot is quiet an
> > understatement! But never feer, I have had way to many hot days in
> > the shed so we now have the big mother of all air conditioners in the
> > work shop so a pussy 42 degree day is NO EXCUSE!  (YES WE CAN)  !!! :-)
> >
> > So ..... I found some spare time and had my darling wife help me (Yes
> > it's true) thread some 1 1/4 in pipe for the cooling system on the
> > campbell. I needed to get it done so I could run it again. Anyway we
> > are getting real close for party time at the national Folks! All them
> > who wish to see may take a peak on my webshot @:
> > http://community.webshots.com/album/561752495RfcIse  Only a couple
> > more pics there but the old girl is running again. Starts very easy
> > now and is really getting some good compression up.
> >
> > enjoy, Russell
> >
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jan 25 14:42:58 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:42:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Gear Cutting Needed
In-Reply-To: <AA865D88F0FC479FA5B670E098E61C77@tommydk7hxjr4h>
References: <AA865D88F0FC479FA5B670E098E61C77@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <088871def2bca9eb7f053be12d5a09e7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Tommy,  I assume that you've tried "off the shelf" sources without success?
I think finding a commercial one would be far cheaper than getting one cut to order.

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, January 25, 2009 4:08 pm, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
> I need to have a bevel gear cut.  Does anyone have a the name of a
> person who does this?  I have had Phil Goetz of Michigan cut gears for
> me before and he does super work but he's not set up to cut bevels.  Any
> contact info is appreciated.




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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jan 25 14:55:08 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:55:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Gear Cutting Needed
In-Reply-To: <088871def2bca9eb7f053be12d5a09e7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <FF6721FA03FB4A79BC2A92199F68AD61@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Yeah Arnie, I went to Crush Gears in Louisville and they searched all
catalogs, Boston Gear, etc, and couldn't find anything to match.  I've
already had a blank cast and it just needs to have the bevel and teeth
cut.  Thanks!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:43 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Gear Cutting Needed


Tommy,  I assume that you've tried "off the shelf" sources without
success? I think finding a commercial one would be far cheaper than
getting one cut to order.

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, January 25, 2009 4:08 pm, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
> I need to have a bevel gear cut.  Does anyone have a the name of a 
> person who does this?  I have had Phil Goetz of Michigan cut gears for

> me before and he does super work but he's not set up to cut bevels.  
> Any contact info is appreciated.




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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sun Jan 25 14:56:05 2009
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:56:05 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Gear Cutting Needed
References: <AA865D88F0FC479FA5B670E098E61C77@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <7AFDB4FBE9EF437DA85020E57FEABDA9@your46e94owx6a>

I have never cut a bevel gear but it should not be a big 
deal as long as the teeth are straight.  A ordinary 
horizontal mill,
a dividing head, and a Brown and Sharpe type cutter ought to 
do the trick.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, California U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: [SEL] Gear Cutting Needed



I need to have a bevel gear cut.  Does anyone have a the 
name of a
person who does this?  I have had Phil Goetz of Michigan cut 
gears for
me before and he does super work but he's not set up to cut 
bevels.  Any
contact info is appreciated.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


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From plb at iinet.net.au  Sun Jan 25 15:00:59 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:00:59 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head/Vee grinding
In-Reply-To: <d45.3b86aba3.36add094@aol.com>
References: <d45.3b86aba3.36add094@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c97f40$c9963a30$5cc2ae90$@net.au>

We used to grind the prep and finish it off with a file. It lets the bronze
penetrate in a bit. 
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
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Sent: Sunday, 25 January 2009 11:26 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head/Vee grinding

 
In a message dated 1/24/2009 1:50:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

I'm no expert but have always been told NOT to use a grinder (of  
the abrasive type) to vee out a groove for cast iron welding as the  
abrasive (carborundum??) particles left behind in the metal may cause  
problems with the weld. I've always been told to only use a  file!


Jerry,
 
You are correct in not using abrasive type grinding tips to clean up  metal 
for epoxy repairs.  What I have are a couple of air die grinders  and use
high 
speed/carbide cutting tips to do the work.   

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From jbcast at charter.net  Sun Jan 25 16:09:39 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:09:39 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Gear Cutting Needed
In-Reply-To: <7AFDB4FBE9EF437DA85020E57FEABDA9@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <20090125190939.VT7AP.1731560.root@mp05>


---- Jim Kirkes <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote: 
> I have never cut a bevel gear but it should not be a big 
> deal as long as the teeth are straight.  A ordinary 
> horizontal mill,
> a dividing head, and a Brown and Sharpe type cutter ought to 
> do the trick.

I haven't cut any yet, plan to do some. I always pictured it as cutting the blanks at a 45 and putting it in a divider and cutting the teeth. A friend cut some for his engine and they didn't look quite right, the teeth didn't mesh fully on the outside. I looked at a blueprint I have for an old timer gear, the blank is cut at 48deg7min. The cut is made at 41deg24min. Tghis would let the outside of the tooth mesh deeper.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sun Jan 25 16:18:44 2009
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:18:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Gear Cutting Needed
References: <20090125190939.VT7AP.1731560.root@mp05>
Message-ID: <E3FE8F18938F4FDBA1DC634A8EFD9CD6@your46e94owx6a>

Hi J.B.,

I also should have added to read the section on gears and 
gearing in Machinery's Handbook and also to make some good 
measurements of what is
existing.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, California U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Jim Kirkes" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Gear Cutting Needed



---- Jim Kirkes <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote:
> I have never cut a bevel gear but it should not be a big
> deal as long as the teeth are straight.  A ordinary
> horizontal mill,
> a dividing head, and a Brown and Sharpe type cutter ought 
> to
> do the trick.

I haven't cut any yet, plan to do some. I always pictured it 
as cutting the blanks at a 45 and putting it in a divider 
and cutting the teeth. A friend cut some for his engine and 
they didn't look quite right, the teeth didn't mesh fully on 
the outside. I looked at a blueprint I have for an old timer 
gear, the blank is cut at 48deg7min. The cut is made at 
41deg24min. Tghis would let the outside of the tooth mesh 
deeper.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA


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From bill at antique-engines.com  Sun Jan 25 19:29:03 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:29:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Mystery car from last summer...
In-Reply-To: <20090125212137.0F93C9DB7C@gex-cn03.gex.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <000701c97f66$4363b750$0200a8c0@l2800>

Was it the SEL where someone posted a mystery car? Seems that it was early
or mid-summer 2008 where a link to a photo of a "mystery car" was posted.
I've lost the info on it and would like to know just WHAT that car was -
make, who made it, country, etc.

Well, it might not be stationary, but it's antique for sure!

Bill




From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Sun Jan 25 21:17:11 2009
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:17:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away - SIAM 2009
In-Reply-To: <7c7ee4d706e54aa1584586270ab245f2.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
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	<7c7ee4d706e54aa1584586270ab245f2.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <D4EC4F31-E007-4201-BC63-5DFEB68AA09A@herculesengines.com>

I think we could arrange for a little BBQ at the barn during SIAM.   
Who all is coming?  We're celebrating 100 years of Economy and 95  
years of Hercules this year.
Keith
www.herculesengines.com
On Jan 25, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Hi Keith,
>
> I finally took a look at your project.  WOW!!!  Man, that's what I  
> need!
> Well done!!  Always being up for a good party with sweet stack music  
> playing in the
> background, might I suggest a Bar-B-Que at or near Siam 2009?  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Sun, January 25, 2009 12:29 am, Keith Kinney wrote:
>> We'll have to schedule the barn
>> party for warmer weather. :-)
>
>
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Jan 26 03:32:30 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:32:30 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Lister Junior for sale
Message-ID: <6B3A67AF3BD5412DBA33EEDDB49B5C09@peterlowe>

Hi All
One for the Aussies

My mate has a Lister Junior for sale if anyone is interested, he lives in Grafton, NSW.

Lister Junior, 1947, serial #26330, 3 1/2hp, Spec A29, this is what he gave me.
It is complete except for fuel tank and muffler and runs.
Anyone interested before it goes to Ebay let me know ASAP to plowe at exemail.com.au  OFF LIST ONLY.
Asking price $500 or offers.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm

From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Jan 26 03:38:09 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 06:38:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
References: <20090123113417.969B190B05@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au><005f01c97f22$5caff1e0$66674b47@mikecomp>
	<20090125212137.0F93C9DB7C@gex-cn03.gex.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <000801c97faa$90a65ec0$66674b47@mikecomp>

Can't wat to see it :)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Campbell pic's


> Thanks Mike, The shop fillers add plenty of character to the place.
>
> Tommy I will have a crack at making a video soon and get it onto you tube!
> Will be a week or two
> Russell
>
> At 06:23 AM 26/01/2009, you wrote:
>>That is one great slideshow, and I love the shop and old signs.  My kind 
>>of
>>place.
>>
>>MR
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:34 AM
>>Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
>>
>>
>> > G'day all in engine land! Well to say it's hot is quiet an
>> > understatement! But never feer, I have had way to many hot days in
>> > the shed so we now have the big mother of all air conditioners in the
>> > work shop so a pussy 42 degree day is NO EXCUSE!  (YES WE CAN)  !!! :-)
>> >
>> > So ..... I found some spare time and had my darling wife help me (Yes
>> > it's true) thread some 1 1/4 in pipe for the cooling system on the
>> > campbell. I needed to get it done so I could run it again. Anyway we
>> > are getting real close for party time at the national Folks! All them
>> > who wish to see may take a peak on my webshot @:
>> > http://community.webshots.com/album/561752495RfcIse  Only a couple
>> > more pics there but the old girl is running again. Starts very easy
>> > now and is really getting some good compression up.
>> >
>> > enjoy, Russell
>> >
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jan 26 09:02:42 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:02:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Mystery car from last summer...
In-Reply-To: <000701c97f66$4363b750$0200a8c0@l2800>
References: <20090125212137.0F93C9DB7C@gex-cn03.gex.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20090126111816.01462e70@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi Bill,
Was it this photo?
http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/UnknownCar.jpg

Never did find an ID of the car. But some suggestions from this list as to 
what the car was intended for suggested that the true ID of the car may 
never be known. The car appears to be a Vanderbilt Cup Racer or an American 
LaFrance racer. The cars were built on a chassis of custom built parts 
assembled as the builder envisioned. Much the same as todays Indy cars. The 
outer bodies many times had no resemblence to any production car of the days.
The Duesenbergs were into that type of promotion of their cars by 
racing.  The owner of the photo, TL Thousand, is the Grandson of Adolph 
Thousand heres his narrative.
"My grandfather's name was Adolph Thousand.  Before emigrating to America in
1904, he interned as a mechanical engineer with Karl Benz.  Adolph also
raced motorcycles before landing a job with the Duesenbergs."
The fellow behind the wheel is reportedly Adolph. The passenger Fred 
Duesenberg. TL was looking for what brand the car was and proof that it was 
Fred in the passsenger seat.  The photo was said to have been taken in 
Dubuque Iowa, date unknown. TL was thinking that this car might have been 
built in the Era of Maytag-Mason when the Duesenbergs were working for Mason.

                                                   Mark 



At 09:29 PM 1/25/2009 -0600, you wrote:
>Was it the SEL where someone posted a mystery car? Seems that it was early
>or mid-summer 2008 where a link to a photo of a "mystery car" was posted.
>I've lost the info on it and would like to know just WHAT that car was -
>make, who made it, country, etc.
>
>Well, it might not be stationary, but it's antique for sure!
>
>Bill

Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

Frappi at wcoil.com
419.358.5206  Home
419.516.2996 Ver. Cell
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.

      



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jan 26 10:00:16 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:00:16 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Webster inverted carburetor
Message-ID: <20090126.100016.536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  Do any of you have a picture of the carburetor on a Webster
inverted engine.  I have a non list member friend that is trying to
determine what it looks like.  Is there a possibility of two designs over
it's production period?  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 26 10:34:34 2009
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:34:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
Message-ID: <000a01c97fe4$bd3f8ee0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

http://patrickboland.com.au/project/content/Cockatoo_IV_261_2_3_4_5_tonemapped_large.html
monster lathes and mills too .  

From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jan 26 11:03:12 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:03:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
In-Reply-To: <000a01c97fe4$bd3f8ee0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <1636C82C272A4EC7A0EAD229835E40E9@tommyd0x52gkco>

Neat photos Chuck.  Do you know what that facility was used for?  Ship
building or work?

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chuck
Balyeat
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:35 PM
To: SEL
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay

http://patrickboland.com.au/project/content/Cockatoo_IV_261_2_3_4_5_tone
mapped_large.html
monster lathes and mills too .  
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From kosh at ncweb.com  Mon Jan 26 11:43:27 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:43:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
In-Reply-To: <1636C82C272A4EC7A0EAD229835E40E9@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <000a01c97fe4$bd3f8ee0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090126142122.0397b820@ncweb.com>

Chased some links and found...

http://www.cockatooisland.gov.au/

http://www.patrickboland.com.au/Project/About_the_Project.html
http://www.patrickboland.com.au/Project/Cockatoo_Island_Project.html

I hadn't heard about this project, it's really unusual for a government body
to be so farsighted.

Gorgeous photos.

Dave Merchant



At 02:03 PM 1/26/2009, you wrote:
>Neat photos Chuck.  Do you know what that facility was used for?  Ship
>building or work?
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chuck
>Balyeat
>Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:35 PM
>To: SEL
>Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
>
>http://patrickboland.com.au/project/content/Cockatoo_IV_261_2_3_4_5_tone
>mapped_large.html
>monster lathes and mills too .
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Jan 26 12:01:10 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:01:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
In-Reply-To: <1636C82C272A4EC7A0EAD229835E40E9@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <1636C82C272A4EC7A0EAD229835E40E9@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <DBFC0DC688684A738A428FE44959DAE2@KerryPC>

Yes Tommy, the island is in the middle of Sydney harbor and was a Government 
shipbuilding facility, built most of our warships for a long period of time, 
outdated, small size, and in the wrong spot seen the closure.
they have cleaned up a large area on the island and you can now camp / tent 
on the island, fantastic sights of the city.

Kerry



> Neat photos Chuck.  Do you know what that facility was used for?  Ship
> building or work?
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chuck
> Balyeat
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:35 PM
> To: SEL
> Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
>
> http://patrickboland.com.au/project/content/Cockatoo_IV_261_2_3_4_5_tone
> mapped_large.html
> monster lathes and mills too .
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 26 13:11:50 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:11:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Webster inverted carburetor
In-Reply-To: <20090126.100016.536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090126.100016.536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W1278923B03A6CA9E0BA79495CA0@phx.gbl>


HI Ron , I just sent you two pics I had of one, hope it helps, Steve> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:00:16 -0800> From: rdhaskell at juno.com> Subject: [SEL] Webster inverted carburetor> > Hi all. Do any of you have a picture of the carburetor on a Webster> inverted engine. I have a non list member friend that is trying to> determine what it looks like. Is there a possibility of two designs over> it's production period? Thanks.> > Ron Haskell> rdhaskell at juno.com> Riverside, California USA> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell> ____________________________________________________________> Power up with a cell phone booster and never worry about weak signals again. Click now!> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3K9Le94U9V12ljjiDerSjJw1unsLBF07iTX6YF0cxYXPp4p/> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Jan 26 13:14:25 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:14:25 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
References: <000a01c97fe4$bd3f8ee0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <DF68F57EB5B94B04ABA3D72A6C7CCD0E@peterlowe>

Hi Chuck

How did you come across this web site, by accident or did someone lead you 
there???

Cocktoo Island was firstly a convict prison and later a ship yard.

http://www.cockatooisland.gov.au/

http://www.timeoutsydney.com.au/aroundtown/cockatoo-island.aspx

http://tinyurl.com/d6dtut

Regards
Peter, Oz





> http://patrickboland.com.au/project/content/Cockatoo_IV_261_2_3_4_5_tonemapped_large.html
> monster lathes and mills too .
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Mon Jan 26 13:34:48 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:34:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
In-Reply-To: <DBFC0DC688684A738A428FE44959DAE2@KerryPC>
References: <1636C82C272A4EC7A0EAD229835E40E9@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<DBFC0DC688684A738A428FE44959DAE2@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <497E2C78.30801@rustic-engines.com>

I wouldn't actually say "in the middle" Kerry, but .... :-)

Here's a few more for interest sake.

> http://www.naa.gov.au/naaresources/publications/research_guides/guides/dockyard/illustrations/pic014.htm

> http://www.timeoutsydney.com.au/aroundtown/cockatoo-island.aspx

> http://www.harbourtrust.gov.au/topics/resourcephotoscockatoo.html

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Kerry wrote:
> Yes Tommy, the island is in the middle of Sydney harbor and was a Government 
> shipbuilding facility, built most of our warships for a long period of time, 
> outdated, small size, and in the wrong spot seen the closure.
> they have cleaned up a large area on the island and you can now camp / tent 
> on the island, fantastic sights of the city.
>
> Kerry
>
>
>
>   
>> Neat photos Chuck.  Do you know what that facility was used for?  Ship
>> building or work?
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chuck
>> Balyeat
>> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:35 PM
>> To: SEL
>> Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
>>
>> http://patrickboland.com.au/project/content/Cockatoo_IV_261_2_3_4_5_tone
>> mapped_large.html
>> monster lathes and mills too .
>>     
>


From ilifa at internode.on.net  Mon Jan 26 14:00:14 2009
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:00:14 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
In-Reply-To: <497E2C78.30801@rustic-engines.com>
References: <1636C82C272A4EC7A0EAD229835E40E9@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<DBFC0DC688684A738A428FE44959DAE2@KerryPC>
	<497E2C78.30801@rustic-engines.com>
Message-ID: <9590DD8D-CA3B-45A0-BFB2-28E97BFBC948@internode.on.net>

Cockatoo Docks & Engineering Co Ltd have been on my list of possible  
engine maker, though I have not found any evidence that they did. They  
certainly would have had the facilities. Do any of you blokes closer  
to Cockatoo Island than me, in sunny western Victoria, have any clues  
about marine engine building?

Eric


From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 26 14:27:40 2009
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:27:40 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
References: <000a01c97fe4$bd3f8ee0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<DF68F57EB5B94B04ABA3D72A6C7CCD0E@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <001801c98005$4d600520$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

> How did you come across this web site, by accident or did someone lead you
> there??
>
> Regards
> Peter, Oz



BoingBoing  , check it once every day or two , amongst others  .



Chuck



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jan 26 15:34:16 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:34:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Webster inverted carburetor
Message-ID: <c47769a15612e11abb1dacb1c4807700.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Ron,

Have your friend get in touch with Jim Fehl at oldengine at hvwisp.net.
Jim has more inverteds than anyone else I know.  Most are Gemmers (I think), but if
he doesn't have any Websters I'm sure he knows folks who do.

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, January 26, 2009 1:00 pm, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> Hi all.  Do any of you have a picture of the carburetor on a Webster
> inverted engine.  I have a non list member friend that is trying to
> determine what it looks like.  Is there a possibility of two designs over
> it's production period?  Thanks.




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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 26 16:22:10 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:22:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
Message-ID: <75031.82296.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I own one but like so many other things I have never used it.
Too busy hunting work right now.
I have watched a demostration several times at the Buckley Old Engine Show.
Also it came with a very nice DVD.
With what I have seen with my own eyes you could cut a gear out of 3/8" steel 
if your hand was steady enough. ?
And do it very quick too with very little slag/blow through. Whatever you call it????

Last Fall I bought one of those little oxy/acy. torch kits with the small tanks that you 
can carry around. ?
I am going to use it with my Cobra torch when I get around to using it.

The guy showing it has an old cast iron exhaust manifold that he keeps grinding 
holes in it then welding them shut.
You can weld thin metal very nice and because it is a softer weld you can then bend
 the weld all ways. ?That is in steel, aluminum or stainless steel.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:

From: Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 9:54 AM

In a message dated 1/23/2009 8:41:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,? 
rustaholic777 at yahoo.com writes:

Check? out this torch.
IF you decide to weld it why not use a cast iron rod?
_http://www.cut-like-plasma.com/info_welding_cast_iron.htm_ 
(http://www.cut-like-plasma.com/info_welding_cast_iron.htm) 

Alan,

Anyone ever used this torch?? Looks like a nice item to have in the? shop.


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From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jan 26 16:30:58 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:30:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
In-Reply-To: <000a01c97fe4$bd3f8ee0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20090126192332.03d031f0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Great industrial photography!.  In the photo of the door that has the 
Christmas tree on it, I smiled at the thought of what made or caused 
someone to think it necessary to write THE KEY FITS HERE above the key 
hole.                 Mark

At 12:34 PM 1/26/2009 -0600, you wrote:
>http://patrickboland.com.au/project/content/Cockatoo_IV_261_2_3_4_5_tonemapped_large.html
>monster lathes and mills too .
>________






From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Jan 27 08:01:17 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:01:17 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
References: <1636C82C272A4EC7A0EAD229835E40E9@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<DBFC0DC688684A738A428FE44959DAE2@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <4ACEAC55DC4C4DC2AE573B578C9838F4@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Quite right Kerry ...Sydney has it all! In West Australia we had the Midland 
Railway Workshops ,a large complex where they made locos etc and many other 
things .The workshops built in the early 1900 .Talk that it would be 
preserved but it has been whittled away and now just about all of it 
consists of apartments and residences .
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay


> Yes Tommy, the island is in the middle of Sydney harbor and was a 
> Government
> shipbuilding facility, built most of our warships for a long period of 
> time,
> outdated, small size, and in the wrong spot seen the closure.
> they have cleaned up a large area on the island and you can now camp / 
> tent
> on the island, fantastic sights of the city.
>
> Kerry
>
>
>
>> Neat photos Chuck.  Do you know what that facility was used for?  Ship
>> building or work?
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chuck
>> Balyeat
>> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:35 PM
>> To: SEL
>> Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
>>
>> http://patrickboland.com.au/project/content/Cockatoo_IV_261_2_3_4_5_tone
>> mapped_large.html
>> monster lathes and mills too .
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Mon Jan 26 17:15:56 2009
From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:15:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] inline 4
Message-ID: <BFDCA0E30C5841B39BF45D4FDFF3C92A@billPC>

just picked up an inline 4 cylinder wisconsin air cooled engine,,,, does anyone have one of these, or a manual ? or maybe a parts engine,, i;m missing part of the upper shroud and air cleaner,,,,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

From gastzt at aol.com  Mon Jan 26 18:39:23 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:39:23 EST
Subject: [SEL] inline 4
Message-ID: <c5a.41153c58.36afcddb@aol.com>

oh my gosh--never saw an inline 4--   (lots of  V-4's)----I have 2 inline 
2-cyl! (AHH)---  GOOD ol' engines--   will keep our eyes peeled--!
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From ilifa at internode.on.net  Mon Jan 26 19:06:55 2009
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:06:55 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  inline 4
In-Reply-To: <c5a.41153c58.36afcddb@aol.com>
References: <c5a.41153c58.36afcddb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5E804104-AD13-41D3-8A5A-27143F8CE5D1@internode.on.net>

gastzt at aol.com wrote:

> oh my gosh--never saw an inline 4--

There is a picture of one here http://tinyurl.com/d3m5dx

Eric


From bdb at mchsi.com  Mon Jan 26 19:26:10 2009
From: bdb at mchsi.com (bdb)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:26:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Webster inverted carburetor
References: <20090126.100016.536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <2FA2D27AC14F43C9AB5ADD07C834C777@VALUED20606295>

Hi Ron. I sent you a picture of an early Webster engine showing the carb and 
fuel pump. Hope this helps.
Barry

Barry D Buchanan
410 S. Moore
Ottumwa, IA. 52501

When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to look
like a nail.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 12:00 PM
Subject: [SEL] Webster inverted carburetor


> Hi all.  Do any of you have a picture of the carburetor on a Webster
> inverted engine.  I have a non list member friend that is trying to
> determine what it looks like.  Is there a possibility of two designs over
> it's production period?  Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jan 26 19:54:43 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:54:43 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Webster inverted carburetor
Message-ID: <20090126.195443.1932.10.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 I got it Barry.  Thanks so much, I will pass it on.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:26:10 -0600 "bdb" <bdb at mchsi.com> writes:
> Hi Ron. I sent you a picture of an early Webster engine showing the 
> carb and 
> fuel pump. Hope this helps.
> Barry
> 
> Barry D Buchanan
> 410 S. Moore
> Ottumwa, IA. 52501
> 
> When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to 
> look
> like a nail.
> 
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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Mon Jan 26 20:15:07 2009
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:15:07 EST
Subject: [SEL] inline 4
Message-ID: <d23.347e06e6.36afe44b@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/26/2009 7:20:47 PM Central Standard Time,  
bboyce at swat.coop writes:

just  picked up an inline 4 cylinder wisconsin air cooled engine,,,, does 
anyone  have one of these, or a manual ? or maybe a parts engine,, i;m missing 
part of  the upper shroud and air cleaner,,,,,
bill boyce
lost prairie,  arkansas
_______________________________________________


Hi Bill,
A friend of mine who isn't a list member at this time  does have an engine 
like yours.  I forwarded your request to him and below  you'll see his two 
responses.  
 
I wish you success with your engine.  I have seen  Gerald's inline four and 
it is a fine looking engine.
 
Regards,
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, MO USA  (where all the little Maytags  are safely tucked away 
awaiting the Sprint thaw.  Damn!  It is COLD  out.)
 
 
*****************************
Hi Ron,
 
I do indeed have a Wisconsin AC4.  There were  thousands of these engines 
built mainly for use on combines from what I  understand.  However, there were a 
few that were built strictly for  stationary power units complete with a metal 
"dog house" enclosure complete with  removable louvered side panels and a 
large gas tank built into the top of the  enclosure.  These are not very common 
and this is what I have.  My  engine was built in 1943.  These engines have 
aluminum blocks and are  magneto fired, using a simple updraft carburetor.  They 
are built using  Timken main roller bearings on the ends of the crankshaft.  
This gives the  ability to remove paper shims from under the end bearing caps 
to take up slack  as the bearings wear.  When I acquired my engine the bearings 
were  shot.  At that time we still owned the power equipment company and did 
lots  of work on Wisconsin engines.  We tried to get parts from Wisconsin but 
had  no luck.  However, as it turns out we were able to go to NAPA and find  
bearings that would work.  We also found rings to fit the pistons.  We  
eventually did a complete rebuild on my engine including rings, bearings and  valves. 
 The air cleaner used on an AC4 is a standard large  size Wisconsin can type 
of filter with the "hat" cover using a replacement  dry filter element inside. 
 After a little digging I eventually found a man  in California who somehow 
had acquired the stock of a large Wisconsin dealer  there including service 
manuals.  He agreed to copy all his AC4 data for me  for a fee.  Over a period of 
several years I shared this information with  anyone asking for help never 
asking for or expecting any compensation to  cover the time and cost of copying 
and mailing the sizable amount of information  I had.   The last time I did 
it, I sent it all free of charge to a  collector and never received so much as a 
"thank you".   When I  retired, the ring binders containing the information 
were packed away with  dozens of other leftovers from years of business and 
stacked in a large pile  somewhere in my basement....never to be seen again in 
the last several  years.  I wish I knew what ever happened to the information 
but I  don't.   The best advice I can give anyone trying to rebuild one is to  
use NAPA as a parts source and try to cross match parts to fit.
 
I forgot to mention that my engine has the hand  clutch and flat belt pulley 
on it.  I use it each year at our church  Heritage Day to power my big corn 
sheller.  It can be a little contrary to  hand crank sometimes but once you 
learn the procedure and how to choke and not  choke it, it starts reliably.
 
Now you know about all I know to tell about the  AC4.  If you want to pass 
this info along to the guy that posted to the  list, feel free to do so.  
Unfortunately I no longer have access to the  manuals and materials I once had.  I 
wish I had taken better care of  them.
 
Gerald

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  _MaytagTwin at aol.com_ (mailto:MaytagTwin at aol.com)  
To: _geraldajohnson at bellsouth.net_ (mailto:geraldajohnson at bellsouth.net)   
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:24  PM
Subject: Fwd: [SEL] inline 4


Hi Gerald,
Don't you have one of these inline 4 Wisconsin air  cooled engines?
Ron

 
******************************
 
Me again.  I just did a quick Google search  for Wisconsin AC4 and believe it 
or not, there is a company now offering a  complete copy of an original 
service manual!  You might want to pass this  along to the person needing one.  
 
_http://www.agriconmanuals.com/engines-wisconsin-overhead-valvesvcpts-service-
p-31091.html_ 
(http://www.agriconmanuals.com/engines-wisconsin-overhead-valvesvcpts-service-p-31091.html) 
 
Gerald

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From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan 26 20:33:10 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:33:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Mystery car from last summer...
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.1.20090126111816.01462e70@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c98038$632590e0$0200a8c0@l2800>

Thanks for the refresher........

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:03 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Mystery car from last summer...

Hi Bill,
Was it this photo?
http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/UnknownCar.jpg

Never did find an ID of the car. But some suggestions from this list as to 
what the car was intended for suggested that the true ID of the car may 
never be known. The car appears to be a Vanderbilt Cup Racer or an American 
LaFrance racer. The cars were built on a chassis of custom built parts 
assembled as the builder envisioned. Much the same as todays Indy cars. The 
outer bodies many times had no resemblence to any production car of the
days.
The Duesenbergs were into that type of promotion of their cars by 
racing.  The owner of the photo, TL Thousand, is the Grandson of Adolph 
Thousand heres his narrative.
"My grandfather's name was Adolph Thousand.  Before emigrating to America in
1904, he interned as a mechanical engineer with Karl Benz.  Adolph also
raced motorcycles before landing a job with the Duesenbergs."
The fellow behind the wheel is reportedly Adolph. The passenger Fred 
Duesenberg. TL was looking for what brand the car was and proof that it was 
Fred in the passsenger seat.  The photo was said to have been taken in 
Dubuque Iowa, date unknown. TL was thinking that this car might have been 
built in the Era of Maytag-Mason when the Duesenbergs were working for
Mason.

                                                   Mark 



At 09:29 PM 1/25/2009 -0600, you wrote:
>Was it the SEL where someone posted a mystery car? Seems that it was early
>or mid-summer 2008 where a link to a photo of a "mystery car" was posted.
>I've lost the info on it and would like to know just WHAT that car was -
>make, who made it, country, etc.
>
>Well, it might not be stationary, but it's antique for sure!
>
>Bill

Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

Frappi at wcoil.com
419.358.5206  Home
419.516.2996 Ver. Cell
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.

      

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From gastzt at aol.com  Tue Jan 27 04:04:21 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:04:21 EST
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  inline 4
Message-ID: <d65.2fb4b90a.36b05245@aol.com>

gee thanks ever sooo much, Eric---appreciate  this!!!
 Stan
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 27 06:47:34 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:47:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Webster inverted carburetor
In-Reply-To: <20090126.100016.536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090126.100016.536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BLU135-W35CB984A46D1910D02909CC8CB0@phx.gbl>


Hi Ron,
 
I have some Webster pics here:
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port02/portland02.html
 


Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA






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> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:00:16 -0800
> From: rdhaskell at juno.com
> Subject: [SEL] Webster inverted carburetor
>
> Hi all. Do any of you have a picture of the carburetor on a Webster
> inverted engine. I have a non list member friend that is trying to
> determine what it looks like. Is there a possibility of two designs over
> it's production period? Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 07:34:23 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:34:23 +0000
Subject: [SEL] inline 4
In-Reply-To: <BFDCA0E30C5841B39BF45D4FDFF3C92A@billPC>
References: <BFDCA0E30C5841B39BF45D4FDFF3C92A@billPC>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901270734n1f2f5f9ei713f4f351ea9de81@mail.gmail.com>

On 27/01/2009, bill boyce <bboyce at swat.coop> wrote:
> just picked up an inline 4 cylinder wisconsin air cooled engine,,,, does
> anyone have one of these, or a manual ? or maybe a parts engine,, i;m
> missing part of the upper shroud and air cleaner,,,,,
> bill boyce
> lost prairie, arkansas
>

Sold as the Wisconsin AC4 or in the UK, Lister sold it as the ACL4
under their own name, and produced a few at Dursley.

Peter
-- 
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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Jan 27 10:42:01 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:42:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] EHOWT one more?
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W1278923B03A6CA9E0BA79495CA0@phx.gbl>
References: <20090126.100016.536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<COL112-W1278923B03A6CA9E0BA79495CA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909B6DB09@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

Arnie Fero has decided to join the European engine tour!

At the present time the group is:

George Best
Harry Terpstra
Larry Anger
Steve Royster
Arnie Fero

We need one more person to join the group for a 10 day tour of engine
collections in Holland, Germany, Belgium, and  ?.

Arriving in Amsterdam on Friday, May 29th and ending on Monday, June 8th
departing from Amsterdam.

If you'd like to join the group or need more information contact me at:

George_best at adp.com
George at irontrader.com

Please send your message to both addresses (work & home) so I'll be sure
to see it.

George


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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jan 28 04:54:43 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:54:43 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Dead Battery
Message-ID: <4961B0375BFF45C09DA254EC5B0617A7@acer8ff47bfe9a>

In these days of financal crisis rather than '' Give '' dead batteries to the scrap man has anyone got an idea about reviving them?

From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jan 27 14:05:50 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:05:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Dead Battery
References: <4961B0375BFF45C09DA254EC5B0617A7@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <6B511F6BC48F4E1E9724A3660673AB0A@peterlowe>

Buy a new one, they are rubbish these days and only last a third of what 
they used to.
Peter



> In these days of financal crisis rather than '' Give '' dead batteries to 
> the scrap man has anyone got an idea about reviving them?
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From george at irontrader.com  Tue Jan 27 15:01:16 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (george at irontrader.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:01:16 -0700
Subject: [SEL] EHOWT one more?
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909B6DB09@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <20090126.100016.536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<COL112-W1278923B03A6CA9E0BA79495CA0@phx.gbl>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909B6DB09@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <20090127160116.09wre6jd6o8w8g0c@100megs28.com>

Just one more plug for this on SEL.

If you're ever thought that one of Wendel's engine tours would be  
interesting to go on, you might want to consider this one.  It will  
cost you less to go on this tour, plus you'll see a lot more  
collections and see some rare engines that the bigger tour groups  
never see.

We have room for one more person. We want an even number of people as  
we get double occupancy rooms.

If no one from SEL speaks up, I'll offer the last place to someone on  
SmokStak.

George


Quoting "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>:

> Arnie Fero has decided to join the European engine tour!
>
> At the present time the group is:
>
> George Best
> Harry Terpstra
> Larry Anger
> Steve Royster
> Arnie Fero
>
> We need one more person to join the group for a 10 day tour of engine
> collections in Holland, Germany, Belgium, and  ?.
>
> Arriving in Amsterdam on Friday, May 29th and ending on Monday, June 8th
> departing from Amsterdam.
>
> If you'd like to join the group or need more information contact me at:
>
> George_best at adp.com
> George at irontrader.com
>
> Please send your message to both addresses (work & home) so I'll be sure
> to see it.
>
> George





From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Tue Jan 27 15:17:06 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:17:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Dead Battery
In-Reply-To: <6B511F6BC48F4E1E9724A3660673AB0A@peterlowe>
References: <4961B0375BFF45C09DA254EC5B0617A7@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<6B511F6BC48F4E1E9724A3660673AB0A@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <497F95F2.3070706@rustic-engines.com>

Try a deep cycle battery with solid plates or maybe look at this:

> http://www.austrol.com.au/index.cfm?menukey=125

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Peter Lowe wrote:
> Buy a new one, they are rubbish these days and only last a third of what 
> they used to.
> Peter
>
>
>
>   
>> In these days of financal crisis rather than '' Give '' dead batteries to 
>> the scrap man has anyone got an idea about reviving them?
>>     
>


From endacomm10 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 27 17:07:45 2009
From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:07:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Dead Battery
In-Reply-To: <6B511F6BC48F4E1E9724A3660673AB0A@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <863904.15673.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>



Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au> wrote:    Buy a new one, they are rubbish these days and only last a third of what 
they used to.
Peter

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   You guys are a fairly bright bunch. I Mean, You build your own tools (when
  necessary) You Fabricate replacement parts (Whenever possible) So Why 
  not build your own batteries ? ..  Use some 1/8'' to 3/16'' inch plexi or lexan
  for the case. Cut open your old batteries. glean whatever materials you can
  (In the case of plates and substrates) ALL the lead. Don't forget to save the electrolyte. Make a case (Similar to a fish tank) of necessary size for the
  need. Add evenly spaced dividers ( 1 per 2 volt needed) Seal well with clear
  ATV Silicone . All the lead plates can be melted down easily, and re-molded
  into correct sized plates and connectors. The other plates (Usually lead peroxide may be a bit trickier to rework) Have had Some successes and failures there.
    Reguardless. Copper plates can also be used (Theoretically) Any Dissimilar
  metal pairs will work. (In FACT They can all be lead) However this method will yield a bettery which has no predetermined Polatiry !  You get the general idea anyway.
    So If you're tired of throwing away $$$ on Batteries. Re-Cycle/Rebuild them yourself. No only will you have more coins in the purse for that next big engine project, But you'll also have the satisfaction you get from Do-It-Yourself-ing And have a battery that should outlast anything commercially available. Who Knows, Might even outlast your new car/truck/whatever (which really isn't saying much), But then that's a different discussion altogether.
   
  

> In these days of financal crisis rather than '' Give '' dead batteries to 
> the scrap man has anyone got an idea about reviving them?
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jan 28 10:31:19 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 03:31:19 +0900
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
Message-ID: <28E6724B57424C67BB66FC59348F9066@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Thanks for that S.Work .Wondering what is the cause of battery failure? Is it the sulphurisation[ Is that he right term/} of the plates . Could it be that if this is the case this build up on the plates could be removed? Is there a substance that would do this job ? 

From endacomm10 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 27 19:49:50 2009
From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:49:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <28E6724B57424C67BB66FC59348F9066@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <849826.25307.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>



peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:     Thanks for that S.Work .Wondering what is the cause of battery failure? Is it the sulphurisation[ Is that he right term/} of the plates . Could it be that if this is the case this build up on the plates could be removed? Is there a substance that would do this job ? 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  That is the correct term (Sorta) sulphation is the bonding of elemental sulfur to the lead plates , Being relatively Non-Conductive it prevents the cell affected from charging properly. There have been witch doctor cures, Of which most cause more problems than they cure. (If there were a simple and reliable cure there would be no battery re-builders) The Main problem with chemical treatment, would be completely flushing the sulfuric acid from the substrates. Introducing a leaching agent to release the sulfur , Then Completely removing that from the substrates prior to reintroduction of normal electrolyte. Since the Substrates are much like Sponges, it would be nearly impossible without dissassembly. And if you're gonna go that far, Why not just Build-Rebuild it.Melt the lead, Sulpher releases, and floats on top. Skim it off. and re-cast your plates.
   
   Steve.
   
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From falcon at telenet.net  Tue Jan 27 20:51:52 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:51:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <28E6724B57424C67BB66FC59348F9066@acer8ff47bfe9a>
References: <28E6724B57424C67BB66FC59348F9066@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <497FE468.3070905@telenet.net>

peter ogborne wrote:
> Thanks for that S.Work .Wondering what is the cause of battery
> failure? Is it the sulphurisation[ Is that he right term/} of the
> plates . Could it be that if this is the case this build up on the
> plates could be removed? Is there a substance that would do this job
> ? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list 
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

http://www.batteryfaq.org/

-- 
Steve Williams
Firefighter, EMT, Fire Police
Van Hornesville Vol. Fire Dept


From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Tue Jan 27 20:56:10 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:56:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <28E6724B57424C67BB66FC59348F9066@acer8ff47bfe9a>
References: <28E6724B57424C67BB66FC59348F9066@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <497FE56A.7090200@rustic-engines.com>

There are additives for Sulfation. However I think it would be like 
throwing out the bath water with the baby. :-) Or vise versa.

As PL offered, most batteries today are made to a price. That is, the 
sooner they expire, the sooner you buy another.

Have a look here and you can get a glimpse of the different building 
methodology used and how they die.

> http://www.rpc.com.au/products/batteries/car-deepcycle/carfaq2.htm

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



peter ogborne wrote:
> Thanks for that S.Work .Wondering what is the cause of battery failure? Is it the sulphurisation[ Is that he right term/} of the plates . Could it be that if this is the case this build up on the plates could be removed? Is there a substance that would do this job ? 
> _______________________________________________
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>
>   


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Jan 27 22:30:50 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:30:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
In-Reply-To: <9590DD8D-CA3B-45A0-BFB2-28E97BFBC948@internode.on.net>
References: <1636C82C272A4EC7A0EAD229835E40E9@tommyd0x52gkco><DBFC0DC688684A738A428FE44959DAE2@KerryPC><497E2C78.30801@rustic-engines.com>
	<9590DD8D-CA3B-45A0-BFB2-28E97BFBC948@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <1F15DB7CC0854BEFBCC70DAE7356E279@PML>

If a Cockatoo built engine exists they may have one at the Sydney Heritage
Fleet:
http://www.shf.org.au/Engine/NEngine.html
I only live a Km or so from the collection so I should and have a look one
day...

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

-----Original Message-----


Cockatoo Docks & Engineering Co Ltd have been on my list of possible  
engine maker, though I have not found any evidence that they did. They  
certainly would have had the facilities. Do any of you blokes closer  
to Cockatoo Island than me, in sunny western Victoria, have any clues  
about marine engine building?

Eric




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 02:00:53 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:00:53 +0000
Subject: [SEL] inline 4
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160901270734n1f2f5f9ei713f4f351ea9de81@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BFDCA0E30C5841B39BF45D4FDFF3C92A@billPC>
	<6f6025160901270734n1f2f5f9ei713f4f351ea9de81@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901280200k767af383tdb2a7668755d5fbb@mail.gmail.com>

On 27/01/2009, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sold as the Wisconsin AC4 or in the UK, Lister sold it as the ACL4
> under their own name, and produced a few at Dursley.
>
> Peter

This one was at Portland last year:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08614.htm

Peter
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http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From clemsweller at etczone.com  Wed Jan 28 04:11:20 2009
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:11:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <497FE468.3070905@telenet.net>
References: <28E6724B57424C67BB66FC59348F9066@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<497FE468.3070905@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <000001c98141$87ba2330$972e6990$@com>

If you can get to the cells, I have had luck by pouring some peroxide in
them.  The higher the percentage on the peroxide, the better.  Pour a little
of the peroxide in each cell.  Theory is that it will chemically clean the
plates.  As I have stated, I have had some success with this.  Problem with
the sealed batteries is getting access.

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W.
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:52 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] re dead battery

peter ogborne wrote:
> Thanks for that S.Work .Wondering what is the cause of battery
> failure? Is it the sulphurisation[ Is that he right term/} of the
> plates . Could it be that if this is the case this build up on the
> plates could be removed? Is there a substance that would do this job
> ? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list 
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

http://www.batteryfaq.org/

-- 
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Firefighter, EMT, Fire Police
Van Hornesville Vol. Fire Dept
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Wed Jan 28 04:48:39 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:48:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
References: <28E6724B57424C67BB66FC59348F9066@acer8ff47bfe9a><497FE468.3070905@telenet.net>
	<000001c98141$87ba2330$972e6990$@com>
Message-ID: <011501c98146$be5dc540$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

I just went through the learnig curve on lead acid batteries in a successful 
attempt to save a set of locmotive starting batteries.  It was discussed on 
Smokstak and the Practical Machinist forum at length.

The best thing for you to do is to order "Secrets of Lead Acid Batteries" 
from Lindsay Publications.  Seriously ORDER THE BOOK! Its under $5.00 and 
will give you more information than weeks of postings will do.

The only thing that should be added to a battery is distilled water! Once 
you understand battery chemistry you will know why this is so.  Sulphate is 
the result of the chemical reaction that produces electrical current. 
Charging is the process whereby the sulphate is converted back into acid. 
Some of the sulphate cannot be converted back to acid, and as that happens 
the battery slowly kills itself (and no amount of miracle ointments will 
reverse this problem).

So again , order the book and then follow its instructions!

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Foundation
"Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-272-4089
www.todengine.org
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] re dead battery


> If you can get to the cells, I have had luck by pouring some peroxide in
> them.  The higher the percentage on the peroxide, the better.  Pour a 
> little
> of the peroxide in each cell.  Theory is that it will chemically clean the
> plates.  As I have stated, I have had some success with this.  Problem 
> with
> the sealed batteries is getting access.
>
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W.
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:52 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] re dead battery
>
> peter ogborne wrote:
>> Thanks for that S.Work .Wondering what is the cause of battery
>> failure? Is it the sulphurisation[ Is that he right term/} of the
>> plates . Could it be that if this is the case this build up on the
>> plates could be removed? Is there a substance that would do this job
>> ? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>
> http://www.batteryfaq.org/
>
> -- 
> Steve Williams
> Firefighter, EMT, Fire Police
> Van Hornesville Vol. Fire Dept
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> 



From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Wed Jan 28 06:26:50 2009
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:26:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
References: <849826.25307.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AF24F2DCE52A45F1B6BB070D323C2FD1@YOURDA6F5028CB>

Many years ago, in Chattanooga, there were a bunch of used battery places on 
Rossville Blvd., used car row.
What they did was simple. Pour all the old acid out into a pan, shake the 
battery around and bang it on the floor a bit. Squirt a water hose nozzle 
into the holes and repeat the procedure a couple of three times. Just pour 
the old acid back in and more water if needed. The battery would generally 
last two more years.
I did it myself for a few years but, it's rough on the clothing. \I have a 
two year old Sears battery in my car that has lids that I can remove, the 
tractor battery is sealed however, an needs a maintainer after 1-1/2 years.
Skip



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "S. Work" <endacomm10 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] re dead battery


>
>
> peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:     Thanks for that S.Work 
> .Wondering what is the cause of battery failure? Is it the 
> sulphurisation[ Is that he right term/} of the plates . Could it be that 
> if this is the case this build up on the plates could be removed? Is there 
> a substance that would do this job ?
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  That is the correct term (Sorta) sulphation is the bonding of elemental 
> sulfur to the lead plates , Being relatively Non-Conductive it prevents 
> the cell affected from charging properly. There have been witch doctor 
> cures, Of which most cause more problems than they cure. (If there were a 
> simple and reliable cure there would be no battery re-builders) The Main 
> problem with chemical treatment, would be completely flushing the sulfuric 
> acid from the substrates. Introducing a leaching agent to release the 
> sulfur , Then Completely removing that from the substrates prior to 
> reintroduction of normal electrolyte. Since the Substrates are much like 
> Sponges, it would be nearly impossible without dissassembly. And if you're 
> gonna go that far, Why not just Build-Rebuild it.Melt the lead, Sulpher 
> releases, and floats on top. Skim it off. and re-cast your plates.
>
>   Steve.
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From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Jan 28 10:48:47 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:48:47 -0800
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <AF24F2DCE52A45F1B6BB070D323C2FD1@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: <20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>


Is there anyone here that won't put a battery on concrete? I have customers  that get upset when they see this. They think it will"pull the juice out of it".
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA


From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Wed Jan 28 11:36:10 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:36:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
References: <20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>
Message-ID: <016b01c9817f$ac451cd0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

That is a myth that I've heard too, but in my research I've found that it is 
nothing but bunk.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] re dead battery


>
> Is there anyone here that won't put a battery on concrete? I have 
> customers  that get upset when they see this. They think it will"pull the 
> juice out of it".
> J.B. Castagnos
> Belle Rose, LA
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 28 12:15:00 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:15:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <016b01c9817f$ac451cd0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>
	<016b01c9817f$ac451cd0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <COL112-W327C2F627426E6E05642D195C80@phx.gbl>


I've heard it all my life as well, but I suspect all that happens is the concrete slab reduces the temperature of the battery. Steve
 
 
 
> From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:36:10 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] re dead battery> > That is a myth that I've heard too, but in my research I've found that it is > nothing but bunk.> > Rick> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jbcast at charter.net>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:48 PM> Subject: Re: [SEL] re dead battery> > > >> > Is there anyone here that won't put a battery on concrete? I have > > customers that get upset when they see this. They think it will"pull the > > juice out of it".> > J.B. Castagnos> > Belle Rose, LA> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Wed Jan 28 14:10:49 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:10:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W327C2F627426E6E05642D195C80@phx.gbl>
References: <20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>	<016b01c9817f$ac451cd0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<COL112-W327C2F627426E6E05642D195C80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4980D7E9.9010402@rustic-engines.com>

Most of us in Oz could warm a battery on our concrete ATM. :-)

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Steve Royster wrote:
> I've heard it all my life as well, but I suspect all that happens is the concrete slab reduces the temperature of the battery. Steve
>  
>   
>


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jan 28 14:59:09 2009
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:59:09 -0800
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>
References: <20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>
Message-ID: <4714A820-AA98-4DF9-90B7-226AFE2C05C7@rustyiron.com>

Yup, I try to set them on a chunk of wood.  All too often, the tiny  
pH's get on the floor and etch the concrete.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Jan 28, 2009, at 10:48 AM, <jbcast at charter.net>  
<jbcast at charter.net> wrote:

>
> Is there anyone here that won't put a battery on concrete? I have  
> customers  that get upset when they see this. They think it  
> will"pull the juice out of it".
> J.B. Castagnos
> Belle Rose, LA


From kosh at ncweb.com  Wed Jan 28 15:36:03 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:36:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <4714A820-AA98-4DF9-90B7-226AFE2C05C7@rustyiron.com>
References: <20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>
	<20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090128183112.03021e30@ncweb.com>

That was a problem with the old rubber cases.

Plastic cases are supposed to eliminate the issue.

Dave Merchant


At 05:59 PM 1/28/2009, you wrote:
>Yup, I try to set them on a chunk of wood.  All too often, the tiny
>pH's get on the floor and etch the concrete.
>
>
>Rob Skinner
>Antique Stationary Engines
>La Habra, California
>
>rob at rustyiron.com
>www.rustyiron.com
>
>
>
>
>
>On Jan 28, 2009, at 10:48 AM, <jbcast at charter.net>
><jbcast at charter.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > Is there anyone here that won't put a battery on concrete? I have
> > customers  that get upset when they see this. They think it
> > will"pull the juice out of it".
> > J.B. Castagnos
> > Belle Rose, LA
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jan 28 17:11:32 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:11:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEOLHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

JB:

The 'ol battery on concrete is a bunch of BS!  I've left batteries sit on concrete for a year while on float charge and they've been fine.

If you take a near-dead battery and let it sit on concrete for a couple months it will finish dying there and the concrete will be blamed.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> jbcast at charter.net
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:49 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] re dead battery
> 
> 
> 
> Is there anyone here that won't put a battery on 
> concrete? I have customers  that get upset when 
> they see this. They think it will"pull the juice 
> out of it".
> J.B. Castagnos
> Belle Rose, LA




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jan 28 16:24:53 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:24:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Skills
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com><00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC35F1@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><007d01c97dad$4df8b950$66674b47@mikecomp>
	<672680E7-0720-4B16-898C-FCC1A842DE81@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <005c01c981a8$019fd2b0$66674b47@mikecomp>

Actually that wasn't my shop, mine is much worse than that!!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Skills


> 
> On Jan 23, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Mike Royster wrote:
> 
>> I feel very lucky to have been raised the way we were.  Fix  
>> everything,
>> throw away nothing.
> 
> Yeah, we saw the pictures of your shop.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jan 28 17:21:20 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:21:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
References: <20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>
Message-ID: <016d01c981af$e49ec4c0$66674b47@mikecomp>

I've heard that all my life!!!!
MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] re dead battery


>
> Is there anyone here that won't put a battery on concrete? I have 
> customers  that get upset when they see this. They think it will"pull the 
> juice out of it".
> J.B. Castagnos
> Belle Rose, LA
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Jan 28 17:40:33 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:40:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEOLHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20090128204033.EB9OU.3978724.root@mp17>


---- Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote: 
> JB:
> 
> The 'ol battery on concrete is a bunch of BS!  I've left batteries sit on concrete for a year while on float charge and they've been fine.
> 
> If you take a near-dead battery and let it sit on concrete for a couple months it will finish dying there and the concrete will be blamed.
> 
> Take care - Elden

We leave them on the floor, no problems. My teacher told me that got started with wood and tar batteries, when someone ask me about a battery on the floor, I tell them if it's not made of wood don't worry about it.
J.B. Castagnos


From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Jan 28 17:40:31 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:40:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEOLHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20090128204031.Z9354.3978720.root@mp17>


---- Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote: 
> JB:
> 
> The 'ol battery on concrete is a bunch of BS!  I've left batteries sit on concrete for a year while on float charge and they've been fine.
> 
> If you take a near-dead battery and let it sit on concrete for a couple months it will finish dying there and the concrete will be blamed.
> 
> Take care - Elden

We leave them on the floor, no problems. My teacher told me that got started with wood and tar batteries, when someone ask me about a battery on the floor, I tell them if it's not made of wood don't worry about it.
J.B. Castagnos


From elidas at aol.com  Wed Jan 28 20:33:14 2009
From: elidas at aol.com (elidas at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:33:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <20090128204033.EB9OU.3978724.root@mp17>
Message-ID: <8CB4FE1D5538E80-14B0-3AE1@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com>




-----Original Message-----
From: jbcast at charter.net
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>

We leave them on the floor, no problems. My teacher told me that got 
started
with wood and tar batteries, when someone ask me about a battery on the 
floor, I
tell them if it's not made of wood don't worry about it.
J.B. Castagnos
_______________________________________________
  I believe its all bs also. Still I generally put them on something 
other than concrete. Just in case.
  Mike


From andyglines at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 29 06:09:22 2009
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:09:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator
Message-ID: <COL119-W13753FC19CB037D394D4DAC7C90@phx.gbl>


Like many around here, my power is out.  I have a gas furnace that runs on 110v and a 5000w generator.  I have disconnected the furnace from the house and installed a 110v plug.  When I plug the furnace in the small burner blower works and the large blower fan runs.  The trouble is that the burner will light but goes out a few seconds later.  Has anyone had this trouble?  How did you fix it.  
BTW: I use digest mode and will get your answers faster if you reply directly to me.  
 
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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 29 06:26:02 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:26:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator
In-Reply-To: <COL119-W13753FC19CB037D394D4DAC7C90@phx.gbl>
References: <COL119-W13753FC19CB037D394D4DAC7C90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W53E8EE6F536A8C570D443FC2C90@phx.gbl>


try cleaning the heat sensor that that hangs in front of the flame, sounds like it is not detecting the flame and shuts off,  mine does that from time to time and I just take it out and clean it with some sand paper and it works fine then.  They get a coating over time on the surface of the sensor.  Hope this helps
 
Tom Winland
Ohio> From: andyglines at hotmail.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:09:22 -0500> Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator> > > Like many around here, my power is out. I have a gas furnace that runs on 110v and a 5000w generator. I have disconnected the furnace from the house and installed a 110v plug. When I plug the furnace in the small burner blower works and the large blower fan runs. The trouble is that the burner will light but goes out a few seconds later. Has anyone had this trouble? How did you fix it. > BTW: I use digest mode and will get your answers faster if you reply directly to me. > > Thanks> _________________________________________________________________> Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_012009> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Thu Jan 29 07:02:07 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:02:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator
References: <COL119-W13753FC19CB037D394D4DAC7C90@phx.gbl>
	<BLU102-W53E8EE6F536A8C570D443FC2C90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005d01c98222$8e3ed070$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

I forwarded your reply directly to Andy.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "SEL list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator



try cleaning the heat sensor that that hangs in front of the flame, sounds 
like it is not detecting the flame and shuts off,  mine does that from time 
to time and I just take it out and clean it with some sand paper and it 
works fine then.  They get a coating over time on the surface of the sensor. 
Hope this helps

Tom Winland
Ohio> From: andyglines at hotmail.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:09:22 -0500> Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs 
generator> > > Like many around here, my power is out. I have a gas furnace 
that runs on 110v and a 5000w generator. I have disconnected the furnace 
from the house and installed a 110v plug. When I plug the furnace in the 
small burner blower works and the large blower fan runs. The trouble is that 
the burner will light but goes out a few seconds later. Has anyone had this 
trouble? How did you fix it. > BTW: I use digest mode and will get your 
answers faster if you reply directly to me. > > Thanks> 
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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Thu Jan 29 07:49:52 2009
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:49:52 -0800
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
References: <20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>
Message-ID: <998BFB67215D4A2090A29432358B4CAA@your46e94owx6a>

Once some years ago when I was in the Army they sent me to 
mechanics school.  I remember a lecture on batteries in 
which the instructor debunked
the concrete floor discharge idea.  He did say though that 
if a dirty wet battery was placed on a wet concrete floor it 
would probably discharge.  Later when I was back at my 
regular company I happened to put some brand new tank 
batteries on the floor and was promptly sawed on by a 
sergeant who said it would wreck the batteries.  I explained 
what I had learned in school and got sawed on some more and 
wound up getting some wood to put the batteries on.  One of 
the many reasons I did not pursue a military career.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, California U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] re dead battery



Is there anyone here that won't put a battery on concrete? I 
have customers  that get upset when they see this. They 
think it will"pull the juice out of it".
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA
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From Jim at hardmanfamily.net  Thu Jan 29 09:08:11 2009
From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:08:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Dead Batteries & The Military
In-Reply-To: <998BFB67215D4A2090A29432358B4CAA@your46e94owx6a>
References: <20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>
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Jim, your story does my heart good.

Most of us agree that concrete floors are not a threat to lead acid 
batteries.  From personal experience, a greater danger is deep discharge and 
forgetting to recharge and adding distilled water.  We now use the little 
"battery minders" and believe they have value.

I have also noticed that when a manufacturer says "Three Year Warranty", 
they mean just that, plan on needing a new battery about one month past the 
warranty expiration.

This old conservative thinks that every young person should have a tour of 
duty in the military.  It did me a lot of good.  Thin kids gain weight, fat 
kids lose weight and the memories will keep you smiling for years.  "Not 
that little mousy kind of rat, I means rat now!"

Jim in Vermont

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Kirkes" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] re dead battery


> Once some years ago when I was in the Army they sent me to
> mechanics school.  I remember a lecture on batteries in
> which the instructor debunked
> the concrete floor discharge idea.  He did say though that
> if a dirty wet battery was placed on a wet concrete floor it
> would probably discharge.  Later when I was back at my
> regular company I happened to put some brand new tank
> batteries on the floor and was promptly sawed on by a
> sergeant who said it would wreck the batteries.  I explained
> what I had learned in school and got sawed on some more and
> wound up getting some wood to put the batteries on.  One of
> the many reasons I did not pursue a military career.
>
> Jim 



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Jan 29 09:42:53 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:42:53 +0200
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery/Army life
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1233248402.30196.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090129192810.00c54bc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 29/01/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:49:52 -0800
>From: "Jim Kirkes" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>

>Once some years ago when I was in the Army they sent me to
>mechanics school.  I remember a lecture on batteries in
>which the instructor debunked
>the concrete floor discharge idea.  He did say though that
>if a dirty wet battery was placed on a wet concrete floor it
>would probably discharge.  Later when I was back at my
>regular company I happened to put some brand new tank
>batteries on the floor and was promptly sawed on by a
>sergeant who said it would wreck the batteries.  I explained
>what I had learned in school and got sawed on some more and
>wound up getting some wood to put the batteries on.  One of
>the many reasons I did not pursue a military career.
>Jim
>Jim and Diane Kirkes
>Hemet, California U.S.A.

Hi Jim,
         Reminds me of my army days - the instructors were not usually 
known for their brain power.
         In lectures we used to love asking them a question that we knew 
they would not be able to answer. The stock answer was "Sh_t question - next!"

         Back to batteries on concrete floors. I've also heard that all my 
life but the idea was also debunked years ago when the casings became better.
         I loved Eldens  answer.

         I still put them on a block of wood for the following reasons:
         a) As Rob mentioned, to protect the floor from acid.
         b) So that I do not have to listen to the whining of "know all" 
friends if they see them on the concrete.
         c) Just in case :-)



From jbcast at charter.net  Thu Jan 29 10:27:01 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:27:01 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator
In-Reply-To: <005d01c98222$8e3ed070$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <20090129132701.G5C4Y.2443860.root@mp19>



> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator
> 
> 
> 
> try cleaning the heat sensor that that hangs in front of the flame, sounds 
> like it is not detecting the flame and shuts off,  mine does that from time 
> to time and I just take it out and clean it with some sand paper and it 
> works fine then.  They get a coating over time on the surface of the sensor. 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Tom Winland
> Ohio> From: andyglines at hotmail.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:09:22 -0500> Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs 
> generator> > > Like many around here, my power is out. I have a gas furnace 
> that runs on 110v and a 5000w generator. I have disconnected the furnace 
> from the house and installed a 110v plug. When I plug the furnace in the 
> small burner blower works and the large blower fan runs. The trouble is that 
> the burner will light but goes out a few seconds later. Has anyone had this 
> trouble? How did you fix it. > BTW: I use digest mode and will get your 
> answers faster if you reply directly to me. > > Thanks> 
> _________________________________________________________________> 

It probably has an electronic board that controls burning, some of these don't like the "dirty" electrictiy  produced by a generator. After Hurricane Gustav I ran my house on a generator for 10 days, my new washing machine wouldn't perform correctly. I used an old one with a mechanical timer, no problem. If you can find a large inverter it may run on this, some don't like that current either, if you ca't fine one large enough you could hook the blower direct and let the inverter run the electronics.

J.B. Castagnos


From b2 at chooka.net  Thu Jan 29 10:42:04 2009
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:42:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator
In-Reply-To: <20090129132701.G5C4Y.2443860.root@mp19>
References: <005d01c98222$8e3ed070$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<20090129132701.G5C4Y.2443860.root@mp19>
Message-ID: <046C287AC2904C3B87969E3A6A76AF39@apluscomputer.local>

I run into the same thing using a generator as power backup in the computer
business.  We use the generator to power the battery backup units and that
cleans up the signal enough to keep the computers happy.

B?

Bill Brueck
   Chatfield, Minnesota, USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
 

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Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:27 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator



> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator
> 
> 
> 
> try cleaning the heat sensor that that hangs in front of the flame, 
> sounds like it is not detecting the flame and shuts off,  mine does 
> that from time to time and I just take it out and clean it with some 
> sand paper and it works fine then.  They get a coating over time on the
surface of the sensor.
> Hope this helps
> 
> Tom Winland
> Ohio> From: andyglines at hotmail.com> To: 
> Ohio> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:09:22 -0500> Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs
> generator> > > Like many around here, my power is out. I have a gas 
> generator> > > furnace
> that runs on 110v and a 5000w generator. I have disconnected the 
> furnace from the house and installed a 110v plug. When I plug the 
> furnace in the small burner blower works and the large blower fan 
> runs. The trouble is that the burner will light but goes out a few 
> seconds later. Has anyone had this trouble? How did you fix it. > BTW: 
> I use digest mode and will get your answers faster if you reply 
> directly to me. > > Thanks> 
> _________________________________________________________________>

It probably has an electronic board that controls burning, some of these
don't like the "dirty" electrictiy  produced by a generator. After Hurricane
Gustav I ran my house on a generator for 10 days, my new washing machine
wouldn't perform correctly. I used an old one with a mechanical timer, no
problem. If you can find a large inverter it may run on this, some don't
like that current either, if you ca't fine one large enough you could hook
the blower direct and let the inverter run the electronics.

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From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Thu Jan 29 14:16:04 2009
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:16:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fordson Snow Tractor
Message-ID: <49822AA4.5020508@accnorwalk.com>

Someone on another list posted this link to a video of a Fordson 
specially fitted for snow operation. Seems like maybe Rick Strobel or 
someone posted a photo from a museum that had something similar?  
Enjoy!  
http://tywkiwdbi.blogspot.com/2009/01/1926-snowmobile-could-pull-20-ton-load.html



From nox2743 at blackfoot.net  Thu Jan 29 15:45:43 2009
From: nox2743 at blackfoot.net (Daybreak Farms)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:45:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator
In-Reply-To: <COL119-W13753FC19CB037D394D4DAC7C90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <IJEJKKNLFLHHJLIILHDMOEFNCIAA.nox2743@blackfoot.net>

I run a genset back up power and have no problems running my propane
furnace. Are you supplying control power to your gas valve? Is your pilot
flame staying on? PK

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Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:09 AM
To: stationary engine
Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator



Like many around here, my power is out.  I have a gas furnace that runs on
110v and a 5000w generator.  I have disconnected the furnace from the house
and installed a 110v plug.  When I plug the furnace in the small burner
blower works and the large blower fan runs.  The trouble is that the burner
will light but goes out a few seconds later.  Has anyone had this trouble?
How did you fix it.
BTW: I use digest mode and will get your answers faster if you reply
directly to me.

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 23:43:45 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:43:45 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fordson Snow Tractor
In-Reply-To: <49822AA4.5020508@accnorwalk.com>
References: <49822AA4.5020508@accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901292343u46066433wac665368fc185865@mail.gmail.com>

On 29/01/2009, Doug Tallman <dtallman at accnorwalk.com> wrote:
> Someone on another list posted this link to a video of a Fordson
> specially fitted for snow operation. Seems like maybe Rick Strobel or
> someone posted a photo from a museum that had something similar?
> Enjoy!

I think that's similar to the one at the Heidrick Agricultural Museum.
Got a picture on one of our trip reports, possibly the one in the link
that was posted.

Peter
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 23:46:51 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:46:51 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fordson Snow Tractor
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160901292343u46066433wac665368fc185865@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49822AA4.5020508@accnorwalk.com>
	<6f6025160901292343u46066433wac665368fc185865@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901292346q1b77101dkab7dca58580ec4b6@mail.gmail.com>

On 30/01/2009, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 29/01/2009, Doug Tallman <dtallman at accnorwalk.com> wrote:
>> Someone on another list posted this link to a video of a Fordson
>> specially fitted for snow operation. Seems like maybe Rick Strobel or
>> someone posted a photo from a museum that had something similar?
>> Enjoy!
>
> I think that's similar to the one at the Heidrick Agricultural Museum.
> Got a picture on one of our trip reports, possibly the one in the link
> that was posted.

Description on the Ag Museum site:

"Fordson Snowmobile 1926
This was known as an Armstead Snow-motor. Hauling capacity was said to
be five tons. Each drum receives power from a separate clutch which,
depending on the position of the steering gear, engages and
disengages. It can also traverse bare ground. This machine hauled mail
from Truckee to North Lake Tahoe."

Peter
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jan 30 01:32:58 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:32:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fordson Snow Tractor
In-Reply-To: <49822AA4.5020508@accnorwalk.com>
References: <49822AA4.5020508@accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS1EA62C6F7506B03338F52BBC60@phx.gbl>

Great find Doug!  And yes, there's one at the Mining Museum in Butte, 
Montana.  It was used at Yellowstone according to the billboard.

RickinMt.


Subject: [SEL] Fordson Snow Tractor


> Someone on another list posted this link to a video of a Fordson
> specially fitted for snow operation. Seems like maybe Rick Strobel or
> someone posted a photo from a museum that had something similar?
> Enjoy!
> http://tywkiwdbi.blogspot.com/2009/01/1926-snowmobile-could-pull-20-ton-load.html 



From andyglines at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 30 10:50:12 2009
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:50:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1233334802.27527.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.3.1233334802.27527.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <COL119-W9481B590F77DFCB2BD82EC7C60@phx.gbl>


Thanks to SEL folks for the answers both on and off list.  I'm still cold but I have some good ideas to follow up on.  I will try to answer all the posts at one time.  This furnace does not have a pilot light.  It has a glowing hot coil that ignites the gas at the main burner.  The ignitor works and the gas comes on momentarily and lights.  The burner goes out after about 10 seconds.  Maybe a faulty thermocouple which I DID clean per recommendations.  Both the draft and main blowers run as they are supposed to.  I have considered the "dirty" power problem and it may be the cause.  I would think that if the "dirty" power was the problem that the burner would not light at all.  At this point, I will probably figure out how to jumper to the gas valve to keep it open and the flame burning.  
> > try cleaning the heat sensor that that hangs in front of the flame, sounds > > like it is not detecting the flame and shuts off, mine does that from time > > to time and I just take it out and clean it with some sand paper and it > > works fine then. They get a coating over time on the surface of the sensor. > > Hope this helps > It probably has an electronic board that controls burning, some of these don't like the "dirty" electrictiy produced by a generator. After Hurricane Gustav I ran my house on a generator for 10 days, my new washing machine wouldn't perform correctly. I used an old one with a mechanical timer, no problem. If you can find a large inverter it may run on this, some don't like that current either, if you ca't fine one large enough you could hook the blower direct and let the inverter run the electronics.
> > try cleaning the heat sensor that that hangs in front of the flame, > > sounds like it is not detecting the flame and shuts off, mine does > > that from time to time and I just take it out and clean it with some > > sand paper and it works fine then. They get a coating over time on the> surface of the sensor.> It probably has an electronic board that controls burning, some of these> don't like the "dirty" electrictiy produced by a generator. After Hurricane> Gustav I ran my house on a generator for 10 days, my new washing machine> wouldn't perform correctly. I used an old one with a mechanical timer, no> problem. If you can find a large inverter it may run on this, some don't> like that current either, if you ca't fine one large enough you could hook> the blower direct and let the inverter run the electronics.
> I run a genset back up power and have no problems running my propane> furnace. Are you supplying control power to your gas valve? Is your pilot> flame staying on? PK
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From kosh at ncweb.com  Fri Jan 30 11:27:04 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:27:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator
In-Reply-To: <COL119-W9481B590F77DFCB2BD82EC7C60@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.3.1233334802.27527.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<mailman.3.1233334802.27527.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090130142220.0368e820@ncweb.com>

Regarding jumpering around gas furnace controls,
this Wednesday evening there was a house explosion
about 10 miles from here, shook the windows here.

The house is completely gone, and serious damage
to adjacent houses.

Old joke:

Guy jumps out of an airplane, pulls his ripcord, gets a streamer.
Cuts it away, pulls his reserve, gets a streamer.
About then he sees a guy coming up toward him.

"He asks: What do you know about parachutes?"
"Answer: What do you know about gas furnaces?"

Dave Merchant


At 01:50 PM 1/30/2009, you wrote:

>Thanks to SEL folks for the answers both on and off list.  I'm still cold 
>but I have some good ideas to follow up on.  I will try to answer all the 
>posts at one time.  This furnace does not have a pilot light.  It has a 
>glowing hot coil that ignites the gas at the main burner.  The ignitor 
>works and the gas comes on momentarily and lights.  The burner goes out 
>after about 10 seconds.  Maybe a faulty thermocouple which I DID clean per 
>recommendations.  Both the draft and main blowers run as they are supposed 
>to.  I have considered the "dirty" power problem and it may be the 
>cause.  I would think that if the "dirty" power was the problem that the 
>burner would not light at all.  At this point, I will probably figure out 
>how to jumper to the gas valve to keep it open and the flame burning.
> > > try cleaning the heat sensor that that hangs in front of the flame, 
> sounds > > like it is not detecting the flame and shuts off, mine does 
> that from time > > to time and I just take it out and clean it with some 
> sand paper and it > > works fine then. They get a coating over time on 
> the surface of the sensor. > > Hope this helps > It probably has an 
> electronic board that controls burning, some of these don't like the 
> "dirty" electrictiy produced by a generator. After Hurricane Gustav I ran 
> my house on a generator for 10 days, my new washing machine wouldn't 
> perform correctly. I used an old one with a mechanical timer, no problem. 
> If you can find a large inverter it may run on this, some don't like that 
> current either, if you ca't fine one large enough you could hook the 
> blower direct and let the inverter run the electronics.
> > > try cleaning the heat sensor that that hangs in front of the 
> flame, > > sounds like it is not detecting the flame and shuts off, mine 
> does > > that from time to time and I just take it out and clean it with 
> some > > sand paper and it works fine then. They get a coating over time 
> on the> surface of the sensor.> It probably has an electronic board that 
> controls burning, some of these> don't like the "dirty" electrictiy 
> produced by a generator. After Hurricane> Gustav I ran my house on a 
> generator for 10 days, my new washing machine> wouldn't perform 
> correctly. I used an old one with a mechanical timer, no> problem. If you 
> can find a large inverter it may run on this, some don't> like that 
> current either, if you ca't fine one large enough you could hook> the 
> blower direct and let the inverter run the electronics.
> > I run a genset back up power and have no problems running my propane> 
> furnace. Are you supplying control power to your gas valve? Is your 
> pilot> flame staying on? PK
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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 30 14:19:37 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:19:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Battery stuff
Message-ID: <BAY127-W84DF0D592BF8ECC370148CBC60@phx.gbl>


I still put them on a block of wood for the following reasons:
         a) As Rob mentioned, to protect the floor from acid.
         b) So that I do not have to listen to the whining of "know all" 
friends if they see them on the concrete.
         c) Just in case :-)

         D)  So I can pick it up without crushing my fingers!
 

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

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armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

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From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Jan 30 14:40:12 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:40:12 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator
In-Reply-To: <COL119-W9481B590F77DFCB2BD82EC7C60@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.3.1233334802.27527.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<COL119-W9481B590F77DFCB2BD82EC7C60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <13F15BAA-A56C-4287-A6AD-BC3A60C67B28@rustyiron.com>

If the problem was with the thermocouple, I would think that it would  
exist when running on "store-bought" electricity as well as "home- 
made."  A new thermocouple won't be expensive, and certainly a whole  
lot cheaper than your funeral.  If running without a thermocouple, I  
wouldn't let it run for a nanosecond unless I was sitting there  
watching it.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Jan 30, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Andy Glines wrote:

>
> Thanks to SEL folks for the answers both on and off list.  I'm still  
> cold but I have some good ideas to follow up on.  I will try to  
> answer all the posts at one time.  This furnace does not have a  
> pilot light.  It has a glowing hot coil that ignites the gas at the  
> main burner.  The ignitor works and the gas comes on momentarily and  
> lights.  The burner goes out after about 10 seconds.  Maybe a faulty  
> thermocouple which I DID clean per recommendations.  Both the draft  
> and main blowers run as they are supposed to.  I have considered the  
> "dirty" power problem and it may be the cause.  I would think that  
> if the "dirty" power was the problem that the burner would not light  
> at all.  At this point, I will probably figure out how to jumper to  
> the gas valve to keep it open and the flame burning.


From andyglines at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 30 15:28:19 2009
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:28:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] I've got heat!
Message-ID: <COL119-W6928D8F589BA0849895B3CC7C60@phx.gbl>


After much help from the SEL and some other research I got my furnace to work with the generator.  Even if I have to move out due to extended outage I can still come by daily and put some heat in the house to keep the pipes from freezing.  I had to connect the neutral (white wire) to the house neutral and the control started working properly.  I'm not sure why I just know it works.  BTW The primary (black) is still seperate from the house wiring.
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 16:16:29 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 00:16:29 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Battery stuff
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W84DF0D592BF8ECC370148CBC60@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-W84DF0D592BF8ECC370148CBC60@phx.gbl>
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On 30/01/2009, Bruce Younger <sluggo54 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I still put them on a block of wood for the following reasons:
>          a) As Rob mentioned, to protect the floor from acid.
>          b) So that I do not have to listen to the whining of "know all"
> friends if they see them on the concrete.
>          c) Just in case :-)
>
>          D)  So I can pick it up without crushing my fingers!
>
>
> Bruce Younger

Just a bit of information on batteries that might be of interest:

When we do a large 30V or  110V installation at utility substations,
we use either Plante or Flat Plate batteries or cells. In both cases,
we now fit a catalytic filler top that converts any free Hydrogen and
Oxygen in the cells back to water, which runs back into the cell.

In the case of a 200AH 110V battery, it will run for up to 10 years
with no water topping up required, but the cell can be topped up
readily by simply removing the converter.

The batteries and cells are sat on 3/16" thick insertion rubber sheet,
which in turn is either on a square tube frame or shelves in a
cabinet.

Pictures of the converters and a typical 110V 200AH flat plate battery
installation are on our company website at:

http://www.prepair.co.uk/Battery1.htm

There are also shots of the old Plante battery in those pictures.

Peter
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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Fri Jan 30 17:03:07 2009
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:03:07 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Battery stuff
References: <BAY127-W84DF0D592BF8ECC370148CBC60@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160901301616s57d2ac2fjfd2881e3bc1214e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AA29B0572A274B8A8C4D430E45C63B7E@your46e94owx6a>

Is there any way to resuscitate a small 12V gell cell or do 
I throw it out?

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, California U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
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From ddotto at cableone.net  Fri Jan 30 17:26:15 2009
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:26:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Battery stuff
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Peter

Your company web site looks suspiciously familiar to your personal site :) 

The catalytic convertor thingies are really cool I didn't know such an item
even existed. It would be nice if they could be adapted to automotive
batteries.

Dave




Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
UAS

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Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 5:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] Battery stuff

On 30/01/2009, Bruce Younger <sluggo54 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I still put them on a block of wood for the following reasons:
>          a) As Rob mentioned, to protect the floor from acid.
>          b) So that I do not have to listen to the whining of "know all"
> friends if they see them on the concrete.
>          c) Just in case :-)
>
>          D)  So I can pick it up without crushing my fingers!
>
>
> Bruce Younger

Just a bit of information on batteries that might be of interest:

When we do a large 30V or  110V installation at utility substations,
we use either Plante or Flat Plate batteries or cells. In both cases,
we now fit a catalytic filler top that converts any free Hydrogen and
Oxygen in the cells back to water, which runs back into the cell.

In the case of a 200AH 110V battery, it will run for up to 10 years
with no water topping up required, but the cell can be topped up
readily by simply removing the converter.

The batteries and cells are sat on 3/16" thick insertion rubber sheet,
which in turn is either on a square tube frame or shelves in a
cabinet.

Pictures of the converters and a typical 110V 200AH flat plate battery
installation are on our company website at:

http://www.prepair.co.uk/Battery1.htm

There are also shots of the old Plante battery in those pictures.

Peter
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Jan 30 18:04:00 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:04:00 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Battery stuff
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Hey, Jim.  When I need one for an engine, I take one that's been  
deemed unusable by others and juice it up with excessive current.  You  
have to be careful not to let the battery get too hot.  Sometimes it  
doesn't work, but most of the time I'll end up with a battery that  
will work for a long, long, time.  If it's worth it to drive to La  
Habra, I can bag some for you.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com



On Jan 30, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Jim Kirkes wrote:

> Is there any way to resuscitate a small 12V gell cell or do
> I throw it out?


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Fri Jan 30 19:23:18 2009
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:23:18 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Battery stuff
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Hi Rob.

I will give that a try tomorrow, it doesn't hold a charge 
now so there is nothing to lose. Thanks

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, California U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
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<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Battery stuff


Hey, Jim.  When I need one for an engine, I take one that's 
been
deemed unusable by others and juice it up with excessive 
current.  You
have to be careful not to let the battery get too hot. 
Sometimes it
doesn't work, but most of the time I'll end up with a 
battery that
will work for a long, long, time.  If it's worth it to drive 
to La
Habra, I can bag some for you.


Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com



On Jan 30, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Jim Kirkes wrote:

> Is there any way to resuscitate a small 12V gell cell or 
> do
> I throw it out?
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From weolson at wiktel.com  Fri Jan 30 20:16:37 2009
From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:16:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] I've got heat!
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Hi Andy,

Friday, January 30, 2009, 5:28:19 PM, you wrote:


AG> After much help from the SEL and some other research I got my
AG> furnace to work with the generator.  Even if I have to move out
AG> due to extended outage I can still come by daily and put some heat
AG> in the house to keep the pipes from freezing.  I had to connect
AG> the neutral (white wire) to the house neutral and the control
AG> started working properly.  I'm not sure why I just know it works. 
AG> BTW The primary (black) is still seperate from the house wiring.
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It's possible that the neutral & ground were not tied together & the controls did not like that, but by tieing the neutrals together, somehow it changed the neutral/grounding situation.  Who knows.
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From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Fri Jan 30 21:12:43 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:12:43 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] I've got heat!
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so have i... 5th day of 47C - 116F

i'd rather be cold!

well done on your fix :)

Paul

>
> After much help from the SEL and some other research I got my furnace to
> work with the generator.  Even if I have to move out due to extended
> outage I can still come by daily and put some heat in the house to keep
> the pipes from freezing.  I had to connect the neutral (white wire) to the
> house neutral and the control started working properly.  I'm not sure why
> I just know it works.  BTW The primary (black) is still seperate from the
> house wiring.
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jan 30 21:59:59 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:59:59 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Charity auction payment
Message-ID: <20090130.215959.2104.9.rdhaskell@juno.com>

How, and who do I pay for a charity auction item?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Fri Jan 30 23:17:59 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:17:59 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Charity auction payment
In-Reply-To: <20090130.215959.2104.9.rdhaskell@juno.com>
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C'mon Ron, I aint fallin' for that one. Ya aint gettin' my bank details. :-P

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> How, and who do I pay for a charity auction item?
>
>   


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 00:55:07 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:55:07 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Battery stuff
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2009/1/31 Dave Otto <ddotto at cableone.net>:
> Peter
>
> Your company web site looks suspiciously familiar to your personal site :)
>
> The catalytic convertor thingies are really cool I didn't know such an item
> even existed. It would be nice if they could be adapted to automotive
> batteries.
>
> Dave

Sorry about that, we tend to stick to something that works!

As far as I know, the cost of the Aquagen units is about $20 apiece,
so too expensive for the throw-away car battery market, plus batteries
are getting more reliable now, we are seeing 6 years plus on our Astra
van battery and it still works fine in the cold weather (-10
Centigrade)

Peter
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 01:00:54 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:00:54 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Battery stuff
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2009/1/31 Jim Kirkes <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>:
> Is there any way to resuscitate a small 12V gell cell or do
> I throw it out?
>
> Jim
>

Jim:

It depends on the failure mode of the battery.

If it has sulphated (sulfated) and gone high internal resistance, then
a constant current charge at C/50 (1/50th the capacity) with the cell
temperature and voltage being monitored may recover 'some' of the
capacity. You'll never recover full capacity from a battery that has
sulphated (sulfated)

If an internal cell link has gone open, then it is dead.

If a cell has gone dead through a crystal shorting out the plates, or
gone open circuit then ditto. Crystals grow internally and pierce the
fibre plate separators, and being conductive, they short the cells

Generally speaking, for what they cost, it is not worth the time and
trouble to set up something for recovery.

Peter
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jan 31 09:23:44 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:23:44 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Battery stuff
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Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEAPHOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jim:

Practically speaking, if it can't be recharged using a charger that supplies a constant 2.3 volts per cell for a long time, it's toast.

Interestingly, I have a couple of 7 A.H. gel cells that came out of 'puter UPS units that are maintained at 2.25 volts per cell and still have about 90% of their original capacity after almost 15 years of service.  Also very interesting is the fact that the batteries that caused the sets to be replaced failed after about five years.  They were all made by the same company, of the same specification and made with the same date code.

Of course - I replaced all the batteries when even one croaked.  Foolish to do otherwise.  The survivors are used for ignition, etc.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jim Kirkes
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 07:03 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Battery stuff
> 
> 
> Is there any way to resuscitate a small 12V gell 
> cell or do 
> I throw it out?
> 
> Jim




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jan 31 09:55:25 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:55:25 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Charity auction payment
Message-ID: <20090131.095526.292.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 You caught me Al.  I thought I could sneak it by.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:17:59 +1100 Al Harris
<al.harris at rustic-engines.com> writes:
> C'mon Ron, I aint fallin' for that one. Ya aint gettin' my bank 
> details. :-P
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Al Harris
> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz
> 
> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
>
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Sat Jan 31 10:16:11 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:16:11 -0000
Subject: [SEL] I've got heat!
In-Reply-To: <1981995612.20090130221637@wiktel.com>
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	<1981995612.20090130221637@wiktel.com>
Message-ID: <0KEC00A5ILETLUS8@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>

Yeah these newer furnaces are sensitive to small irregularities in 
the electrical supply.  I installed a ceiling mounted natural gas 
vented garage heater a couple months ago and went round and round 
with it not wanting to work right.

Finally figured out that I had forgotten to tighten the screw on the 
ground wire clamp inside the heater.  The wire was in there and 
making contact, but apparently the heater didn't like the loose 
connection.  Tightened it up and have a great heater now.

-Tony


At 10:16 PM 1/30/2009, you wrote:
>It's possible that the neutral & ground were not tied together & the 
>controls did not like that, but by tieing the neutrals together, 
>somehow it changed the neutral/grounding situation.  Who knows.
>Retired electrician.
>--
>Thanks,  William




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Jan 31 10:24:41 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:24:41 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Charity auction payment
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1233421202.15400.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090131200916.00c0e5b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 31/01/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 13
>Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:59:59 -0800
>From: rdhaskell at juno.com
>Subject: [SEL] Charity auction payment
>
>How, and who do I pay for a charity auction item?
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com

Hi Ron,
         You have got to contact Spencer and pay him per PayPal or other 
means. He uses a different email addy for PayPal.

         From previous years I know that this may take some time (getting 
hold of him that is!) so send me the details of the plate you need in the 
meantime.

         You too Mike, if you read this.

         It's a pity that the Charity Auction was so badly supported this 
year and seems to have died a natural death. Total raised $127.00 - how 
disappointing!!

         FWIW, when deciding who to give the proceeds to, my vote (or at 
least what my items raised) is for Paul Evans / Internal Fire Museum ! Then 
maybe the rest to Rick Rowlands /Tod Engine Foundation.

         Does anyone know where last years proceeds went?

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Sat Jan 31 10:55:35 2009
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:55:35 EST
Subject: [SEL] Charity auction payment
Message-ID: <c06.4a703e47.36b5f8a7@aol.com>

 
Hi Jerry,
I bid and won an item in the 2007 auction but never  could get an address for 
sending payment although I asked several times.   At this point I know I owe 
$35 and I forget what it was I was bidding on.   That's why I did not take 
part in the last auction.
Regards,
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, MO
 
In a message dated 1/31/2009 12:52:06 PM Central Standard Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

At 07:00  PM 31/01/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 13
>Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009  21:59:59 -0800
>From: rdhaskell at juno.com
>Subject: [SEL] Charity  auction payment
>
>How, and who do I pay for a charity auction  item?
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com

Hi Ron,
You have got to contact Spencer and pay him per  PayPal or other 
means. He uses a different email addy for  PayPal.

>From previous years I know  that this may take some time (getting 
hold of him that is!) so send me the  details of the plate you need in the 
meantime.

You too Mike, if you read this.

It's a pity that the Charity Auction was so badly supported this  
year and seems to have died a natural death. Total raised $127.00 - how  
disappointing!!

FWIW, when  deciding who to give the proceeds to, my vote (or at 
least what my items  raised) is for Paul Evans / Internal Fire Museum ! Then 
maybe the rest to  Rick Rowlands /Tod Engine Foundation.

Does anyone know where last years proceeds went?

Keep the revs up (or  down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched  Brass Engine Plates made to  order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>


 
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Jan 31 16:09:43 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 11:09:43 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Auction prices
Message-ID: <41ADBD6925B64E68BF15D319A3482912@peterlowe>

Hi all

It will be interesting to watch this years auctions to see who still has money to invest.

Anyone going to this auction in Hart, Texas in March?
http://armstrongtractorauction.com/Armstrong_Tractor_Auction/Home.html

Regards
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R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 31 16:12:59 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:12:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Charity auction payment
Message-ID: <281972.37012.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Last year I couldn't find any info then I just asked where Spencer lived and used Switchboard.com to get an address then mailed him payment.
After a good half dozen attempts emailing him with no replies I figured that was the best way to go.
I have been hoping I didn't have to go that way this year too.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 1/31/09, MaytagTwin at aol.com <MaytagTwin at aol.com> wrote:

From: MaytagTwin at aol.com <MaytagTwin at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity auction payment
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 1:55 PM


Hi Jerry,
I bid and won an item in the 2007 auction but never? could get an address for 
sending payment although I asked several times.???At this point I know I owe 
$35 and I forget what it was I was bidding on.???That's why I did not take 
part in the last auction.
Regards,
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, MO

In a message dated 1/31/2009 12:52:06 PM Central Standard Time,? 
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

At 07:00? PM 31/01/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 13
>Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009? 21:59:59 -0800
>From: rdhaskell at juno.com
>Subject: [SEL] Charity? auction payment
>
>How, and who do I pay for a charity auction? item?
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com

Hi Ron,
You have got to contact Spencer and pay him per? PayPal or other 
means. He uses a different email addy for? PayPal.

>From previous years I know? that this may take some time (getting 
hold of him that is!) so send me the? details of the plate you need in the 
meantime.

You too Mike, if you read this.

It's a pity that the Charity Auction was so badly supported this? 
year and seems to have died a natural death. Total raised $127.00 - how? 
disappointing!!

FWIW, when? deciding who to give the proceeds to, my vote (or at 
least what my items? raised) is for Paul Evans / Internal Fire Museum ! Then 
maybe the rest to? Rick Rowlands /Tod Engine Foundation.

Does anyone know where last years proceeds went?

Keep the revs up (or? down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
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<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>



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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 31 16:29:05 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:29:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Charity auction payment
Message-ID: <900983.52649.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I used my Yahoo mail search and found it.
This is a message i posted to this list in March of 2008
=========================================================
After not getting a reply to many emails I did a search and found this address.

ATIS Charity Auction
C/O  Spencer Yost
3160 MacBrandon Lane
Pfafftown, NC 27040

Just sent payments there.   As far as I can tell you will not get any 
reply saying you have paid. 
I sure didn't.
Be sure to add a note that says what you are paying for.
Add your email and phone number too.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan

===============================================================
--- On Sat, 1/31/09, Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity auction payment
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 7:12 PM

Last year I couldn't find any info then I just asked where Spencer lived and used Switchboard.com to get an address then mailed him payment.
After a good half dozen attempts emailing him with no replies I figured that was the best way to go.
I have been hoping I didn't have to go that way this year too.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 1/31/09, MaytagTwin at aol.com <MaytagTwin at aol.com> wrote:

From: MaytagTwin at aol.com <MaytagTwin at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity auction payment
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 1:55 PM


Hi Jerry,
I bid and won an item in the 2007 auction but never? could get an address for 
sending payment although I asked several times.???At this point I know I owe 
$35 and I forget what it was I was bidding on.???That's why I did not take 
part in the last auction.
Regards,
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, MO

In a message dated 1/31/2009 12:52:06 PM Central Standard Time,? 
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

At 07:00? PM 31/01/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 13
>Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009? 21:59:59 -0800
>From: rdhaskell at juno.com
>Subject: [SEL] Charity? auction payment
>
>How, and who do I pay for a charity auction? item?
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com

Hi Ron,
You have got to contact Spencer and pay him per? PayPal or other 
means. He uses a different email addy for? PayPal.

>From previous years I know? that this may take some time (getting 
hold of him that is!) so send me the? details of the plate you need in the 
meantime.

You too Mike, if you read this.

It's a pity that the Charity Auction was so badly supported this? 
year and seems to have died a natural death. Total raised $127.00 - how? 
disappointing!!

FWIW, when? deciding who to give the proceeds to, my vote (or at 
least what my items? raised) is for Paul Evans / Internal Fire Museum ! Then 
maybe the rest to? Rick Rowlands /Tod Engine Foundation.

Does anyone know where last years proceeds went?

Keep the revs up (or? down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched? Brass Engine Plates made to? order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>



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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jan 31 17:05:31 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:05:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Charity auction payment
Message-ID: <20090131.170533.1696.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Alan.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:29:05 -0800 (PST) Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
writes:
> I used my Yahoo mail search and found it.
> This is a message i posted to this list in March of 2008
> =========================================================
> After not getting a reply to many emails I did a search and found 
> this address.
> 
> ATIS Charity Auction
> C/O  Spencer Yost
> 3160 MacBrandon Lane
> Pfafftown, NC 27040
> 
> Just sent payments there.   As far as I can tell you will not get 
> any 
> reply saying you have paid. 
> I sure didn't.
> Be sure to add a note that says what you are paying for.
> Add your email and phone number too.
> 
> Alan Bowen
> Williamsburg, Michigan
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From garyepps at fidnet.com  Thu Jan  1 06:52:27 2009
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:52:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez
In-Reply-To: <410-220081262051619640@earthlink.net>
References: <410-220081262051619640@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <375acf600901010652x14f11e3fw8dfd6b6f799bba19@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Guys,
How about another approach to the tie down problem. Why not use lift
up tie down rings into the trailer decking and make up some2"x4" or4"
x4" blocks adjustedwith an appropriate length ofall- thread tjoln the
blockkstight againsst the front & back of the wheel.s
Sorry about the typing/spelling, the two halves of my brain aren't
communicating well right now.

Gary

On 12/19/08, Tim Christoff <tchristoff at earthlink.net> wrote:
> That video really doesn't prove much Al, not trying to pick a fight.
>  Sheetrock screws are designed for sheetrock into lumber, thats it.  Using
>  them for anything else and they can and will shear easily.  When watching
>  that video, the man hit the construction screw in the threaded area.  Yes
>  it will shear easily there.  That is why you buy construction screws with a
>  shank that will allow the threads to completly embed in the receiving
>  lumber and not between the two peices being joined.  The shank will have
>  greater shear strength then the threaded part.  Nails are also (most of
>  them) made of softer metal so they will bend or pull before shearing.  You
>  can take a ring shank nail of a 60D size, that's a hell of a lot bigger
>  around than a 16D, and shear it in half with just 2 hits of a 22 oz hammer
>  if the ring part of the nail is not completly embelded in the lumber.  So
>  there is a large nail that is no better than a smaller screw when not used
>  properly.  With the proper screw being used, you can put something together
>  a lot tighter and stronger than you can using nails but you will also pay
>  for it in the cost of the screws and the time it takes to insert them.
>
>
>  Tim Christoff
>  Basehor Kansas
>
>
>  > [Original Message]
>
> > From: Al Harris <al.harris at rustic-engines.com>
>
> > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
> > Date: 12/19/2008 10:43:23 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez
>
> >
>  > >
>  http://www.metacafe.com/watch/967794/shear_strength_of_nails_drywall_screws_
>  amp_construction_screw/
>  >
>  > Cheers,
>  >
>  > Al Harris
>  > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>  >
>  > al.harris at rustic-engines.com
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Tim Christoff wrote:
>  > > Tim Christoff
>  > > Basehor Kansas
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >> [Original Message]
>  > >> From: Dave Merchant <kosh at ncweb.com>
>  > >> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
>  The
>  > >>
>  > > SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>  > >
>  > >> Date: 12/19/2008 8:10:07 PM
>  > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT////// AM transmitter - now homebuilding
>  > >>
>  > >> New deck screws are coming thru in the US with T25 Torx heads.
>  > >> Gives a real positive drive, but don't know how they'd be to remove
>  > >> after a few years exposure.
>  > >>
>  > >
>  > > They seem to come back out very well as long as the head isn't packed
>  with
>  > > dirt.  Pretty pricy though.
>  > >
>  > >> Previously in the US, deck screws used a "combo" head, square drive
>  > >> superimposed on Phillips. Gave a lot of engagement for the matching
>  > >> driver, really worked well, but the T25 seems slightly better.
>  > >>
>  > >
>  > > The square drives are great as long as you use just a square tip, that
>  > > combo tip is still too much like a phillips bit and will still start
>  > > stripping them out after the first 100 or so.
>  > >
>  > >> Cement board screws here have square drive, and it's real easy to
>  > >> strip the square out to round, especially with the super-hard old pine
>  > >> studs + joists in our old house. Worst is square drive in some
>  stainless
>  > >> screws we tried to use. The stainless is too soft, stripped out many
>  > >>
>  > > heads.
>  > >
>  > > There is one stainless screw out there (don't know the name) but I never
>  > > could strip one.  One of my customers had gotten ahold of a 50lb box of
>  > > them and I never could find them after that.
>  > >
>  > >> Deck screws, at least in the US, have a very special coating, since the
>  > >> enviro-crazies got the normal green pressure treated timber banned.
>  > >>
>  > >
>  > > Might want to check out the patten office on that one.  Seems like just
>  > > when CCA was determined bad for the enviroment, 3M's process patten ran
>  > > out.  Thats when they came out with ACQ and yes, that stuff will eat
>  > > through damn near anything.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >> The replacement is also green, but is about 4 times more corrosive
>  > >> to fasteners than the old stuff. (Manufacturer's statement, not mine!)
>  > >>
>  > >> We built a scaffold last year from pressure treated + 1/2" chromated
>  > >>
>  > > bolts.
>  > >
>  > >> Had it up for 2 weeks before dismantling it, and the bolts look like
>  > >> battery terminals.
>  > >>
>  > >
>  > > You should see what it does to a triple dip post mount after 2 months.
>  > >
>  > >>> Those screws are also excellent for screwing 4x2 cleats to your
>  trailer
>  > >>> deck to
>  > >>> help keep engines from moving around.  I like #10 x 3" long.
>  > >>>
>  > >>> I just thought, what the hell, lets say something about ENGINES for a
>  > >>>
>  > > change.
>  > >
>  > >>> 8-)))
>  > >>>
>  > >>> See ya,  Arnie
>  > >>>
>  > >
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From garyepps at fidnet.com  Thu Jan  1 07:15:14 2009
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 09:15:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel
In-Reply-To: <6FCFF252EC7541FCA69689B80299648D@tommydk7hxjr4h>
References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<6f6025160812200527y48226894rafd66064b56954bb@mail.gmail.com>
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It oughta go  like the wind!
Gary

Seriously, Tommy, can you carry on a conversation going up hill
working the Cummins hard?  I rode with a friend and all conversation
stopped going up hill.

Gary

On 12/20/08, Judge Tommy Turner <Lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:
> Well I've thought about that Dave. I had better do something quick though as
>  I've heard that beginning Jan. 20 we have to run 'em on solar or wind.......
>  maybe an electric 3/4 ton pickup?
>
>
>  Tommy Turner
>  Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
>  To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>  Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 3:59 PM
>  Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel
>
>
>  > Hi Tommy, I'm not even sure that these damn internal combustion
>  > engines aren't just the latest "fad." Have you given any thought to
>  > steam?
>  > Dave
>  >
>  >
>  > On Dec 20, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>  >
>  >>
>  >> I would certainly agree with you on this Peter.  The newest version of
>  >> diesels probably have as many electronic "gizmos" as any gas
>  >> though.  I was
>  >> chatting with a mechanic yesterday that works for a trucking
>  >> company.  He
>  >> told me they could connect via the internet (and a subsequent
>  >> satellite
>  >> connection) and adjust the engine HP, idle speed, maximum mph, etc.
>  >> while
>  >> the trucks were on the road.  He said everything from a local 1 ton
>  >> delivery
>  >> to their biggest road tractors could be adjusted this way.  Really
>  >> too high
>  >> tech for me!
>  >>
>  >> Tommy Turner
>  >> Magnolia, KY
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>>
>  >>>> From that point of view, a mechanically injected diesel might be
>  >>> easier to maintain than an electronically injected petrol engine.
>  >>>
>  >>> Just a thought.
>  >>>
>  >>> Peter
>  >>> --
>  >>> Peter A Forbes
>  >>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>  >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>  >>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
>  >>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  1 07:34:05 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:34:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez
Message-ID: <987729.19822.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Gary,

Sounds to me like you want me to spend money when I don't need to.
Form nails are cheap and my flat bed trailer has a deck of full size 2X8s spaced 
about a half inch apart.
There are many tie down areas to hook a ratchet strap hook.
I?have a tote bag with around 65 - 1" X 15' ratchet strap.
 Then to haul big stuff on the trailer I have a large tote with a dozen or so heavy 
ratchet straps
Lots of chains and??binders too.

I will not go buy a bunch of those fancy flip up D-rings,??8>)))

Alan in Michigan?

--- On Thu, 1/1/09, Gary Epps <garyepps at fidnet.com> wrote:

From: Gary Epps <garyepps at fidnet.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 9:52 AM


-----Inline Attachment Follows-----

Hey Guys,
How about another approach to the tie down problem. Why not use lift
up tie down rings into the trailer decking and make up some2"x4" or4"
x4" blocks adjustedwith an appropriate length ofall- thread tjoln the
blockkstight againsst the front & back of the wheel.s
Sorry about the typing/spelling, the two halves of my brain aren't
communicating well right now.

Gary


From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jan  1 08:24:45 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:24:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel
References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h><6f6025160812200527y48226894rafd66064b56954bb@mail.gmail.com><912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h><52B99C1C-47BF-4BFD-B836-45D7F60AAB09@alltel.net><6FCFF252EC7541FCA69689B80299648D@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<375acf600901010715m164cb64ei4978b39432f46ff8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A01921626BDC46BB99684D26412B9749@tommydk7hxjr4h>

My Dodge is a 2008 model.  It was built the last month of the 12 valve 
series. While its a bit louder than a gas, its not so bad that I've ever had 
any problem like you describe.  The newer 5.9's are about as quiet as a gas 
engine.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Epps" <garyepps at fidnet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel


> It oughta go  like the wind!
> Gary
>
> Seriously, Tommy, can you carry on a conversation going up hill
> working the Cummins hard?  I rode with a friend and all conversation
> stopped going up hill.
>
> Gary
>
> On 12/20/08, Judge Tommy Turner <Lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:
>> Well I've thought about that Dave. I had better do something quick though 
>> as
>>  I've heard that beginning Jan. 20 we have to run 'em on solar or 
>> wind.......
>>  maybe an electric 3/4 ton pickup?
>>
>>
>>  Tommy Turner
>>  Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
>>  To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>  Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 3:59 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel
>>
>>
>>  > Hi Tommy, I'm not even sure that these damn internal combustion
>>  > engines aren't just the latest "fad." Have you given any thought to
>>  > steam?
>>  > Dave
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > On Dec 20, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>>  >
>>  >>
>>  >> I would certainly agree with you on this Peter.  The newest version 
>> of
>>  >> diesels probably have as many electronic "gizmos" as any gas
>>  >> though.  I was
>>  >> chatting with a mechanic yesterday that works for a trucking
>>  >> company.  He
>>  >> told me they could connect via the internet (and a subsequent
>>  >> satellite
>>  >> connection) and adjust the engine HP, idle speed, maximum mph, etc.
>>  >> while
>>  >> the trucks were on the road.  He said everything from a local 1 ton
>>  >> delivery
>>  >> to their biggest road tractors could be adjusted this way.  Really
>>  >> too high
>>  >> tech for me!
>>  >>
>>  >> Tommy Turner
>>  >> Magnolia, KY
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>>
>>  >>>> From that point of view, a mechanically injected diesel might be
>>  >>> easier to maintain than an electronically injected petrol engine.
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Just a thought.
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Peter
>>  >>> --
>>  >>> Peter A Forbes
>>  >>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>>  >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>>  >>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
>>  >>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
>>  >>> _______________________________________________
>>  >>> SEL mailing list
>>  >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>  >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>  >>>
>>  >>
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>>  >>
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Thu Jan  1 09:19:52 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 11:19:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel
In-Reply-To: <A01921626BDC46BB99684D26412B9749@tommydk7hxjr4h>
References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h>
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Tommy,
I assume you meant 1998?  The 12 valve engines were replaced with the 
24 valve in early '99.

I drove a 1991 Dodge Cummins 4x4 for a couple years back in 
2001-2002.  LOVED the engine but HATED the truck.  Dodge's build 
quality left alot to be desired IMO.  I think they have gotten better 
since 1991 though.  I would love to find an old 70's or 80's Chevy 1 
ton 4x4 to throw a 12 valve Cummins in with a 5 speed NV-4500 behind 
it.  THAT would be the ultimate truck IMO.

But then again I'm a diesel nut and a truck driver... I LOVE the loud 
smokey clatter!

-Tony



At 10:24 AM 1/1/2009, you wrote:
>My Dodge is a 2008 model.  It was built the last month of the 12 valve
>series. While its a bit louder than a gas, its not so bad that I've ever had
>any problem like you describe.  The newer 5.9's are about as quiet as a gas
>engine.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY




From kimmell at verizon.net  Thu Jan  1 09:23:04 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 11:23:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel
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At 09:15 AM 1/1/2009, Gary Epps wrote:
>can you carry on a conversation going up hill
>working the Cummins hard?  I rode with a friend and all conversation
>stopped going up hill.


Gary,
If he had a straight pipe exhaust, then I don't doubt it!  My old 
Dodge had a 4" straight pipe.  Neighbors didn't like me too much at 
6:30 in the morning :-)

-Tony



From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jan  1 09:46:07 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:46:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel
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Yup, I meant '98.  My truck was built the month before the 24 valve 
switchover (according to what the dealer told me).  So, if that happened 
with the '99 model year, my truck may have been built in the last month of 
'98 production.  Its been (and still is) a great truck and I can't decide if 
I want to trade right now or not.  It gets about 21 mpg unloaded and about 
17 - 18 mpg pulling a trailer with 5000 lbs on it.  Not bad.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony & Jackie" <kimmell at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel


> Tommy,
> I assume you meant 1998?  The 12 valve engines were replaced with the
> 24 valve in early '99.
>
> I drove a 1991 Dodge Cummins 4x4 for a couple years back in
> 2001-2002.  LOVED the engine but HATED the truck.  Dodge's build
> quality left alot to be desired IMO.  I think they have gotten better
> since 1991 though.  I would love to find an old 70's or 80's Chevy 1
> ton 4x4 to throw a 12 valve Cummins in with a 5 speed NV-4500 behind
> it.  THAT would be the ultimate truck IMO.
>
> But then again I'm a diesel nut and a truck driver... I LOVE the loud
> smokey clatter!
>
> -Tony
>
>
>
> At 10:24 AM 1/1/2009, you wrote:
>>My Dodge is a 2008 model.  It was built the last month of the 12 valve
>>series. While its a bit louder than a gas, its not so bad that I've ever 
>>had
>>any problem like you describe.  The newer 5.9's are about as quiet as a 
>>gas
>>engine.
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, KY
>
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From garyepps at fidnet.com  Thu Jan  1 10:13:04 2009
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:13:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez
In-Reply-To: <987729.19822.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <987729.19822.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Alan, I really don't care how you choose to spend your,I was just
suggesting anothersolution to the problem.

On 1/1/09, Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Gary,wr
>
>  Sounds to me like you want me to spend money when I don't need to.
>  Form nails are cheap and my flat bed trailer has a deck of full size 2X8s spaced
>  about a half inch apart.
>  There are many tie down areas to hook a ratchet strap hook.
>  I have a tote bag with around 65 - 1" X 15' ratchet strap.
>   Then to haul big stuff on the trailer I have a large tote with a dozen or so heavy
>  ratchet straps
>  Lots of chains and  binders too.
>
>  I will not go buy a bunch of those fancy flip up D-rings,  8>)))
>
>  Alan in Michigan
>
>  --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Gary Epps <garyepps at fidnet.com> wrote:
>
>  From: Gary Epps <garyepps at fidnet.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez
>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
> Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 9:52 AM
>
>
>  -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>
>
>  Hey Guys,
>  How about another approach to the tie down problem. Why not use lift
>  up tie down rings into the trailer decking and make up some2"x4" or4"
>  x4" blocks adjustedwith an appropriate length ofall- thread tjoln the
>  blockkstight againsst the front & back of the wheel.s
>  Sorry about the typing/spelling, the two halves of my brain aren't
>  communicating well right now.
>
>  Gary
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 10:13:59 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:13:59 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OTnow homebuilding - now nails rulez
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On 01/01/2009, Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I will not go buy a bunch of those fancy flip up D-rings,  8>)))
>
> Alan in Michigan

We have a heaver version of those, but it's a single-bolt fixing with
a triangular hinged ring. If you engineer it with a special retaining
bolt, then it will swivel 360 degrees as well.

The bolt-through-deck D rings aren't too clever unless they are down
to steel somewhere, I hate trusting anything fixed to timber.

Peter
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From george at irontrader.com  Thu Jan  1 10:26:28 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (George Best)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:26:28 -0800
Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel
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1997 was the last full model year for the Dodge with 12 valve Cummins.
I have a 1998 Dodge with the 24 valve Cummins.  The 24 valve Dodges came out
mid model year and are sometimes called 98-1/2's.

Still got mine and it has 200k miles on it and still running strong.  Sure
it is a bit noisy compared to the new ones, but it is paid for and the new
ones don't get any better mileage.  Three years ago I stopped driving my
pickup to work everyday and it now is used basically to go to engine shows
and for the occasional trips requiring a pickup.  Should last me a long
time.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tony & Jackie
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 9:20 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel

Tommy,
I assume you meant 1998?  The 12 valve engines were replaced with the 
24 valve in early '99.

I drove a 1991 Dodge Cummins 4x4 for a couple years back in 
2001-2002.  LOVED the engine but HATED the truck.  Dodge's build 
quality left alot to be desired IMO.  I think they have gotten better 
since 1991 though.  I would love to find an old 70's or 80's Chevy 1 
ton 4x4 to throw a 12 valve Cummins in with a 5 speed NV-4500 behind 
it.  THAT would be the ultimate truck IMO.

But then again I'm a diesel nut and a truck driver... I LOVE the loud 
smokey clatter!

-Tony



At 10:24 AM 1/1/2009, you wrote:
>My Dodge is a 2008 model.  It was built the last month of the 12 valve
>series. While its a bit louder than a gas, its not so bad that I've ever
had
>any problem like you describe.  The newer 5.9's are about as quiet as a gas
>engine.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY


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From curt at rustyiron.com  Fri Jan  2 07:31:37 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:31:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive.
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> Maybe I remember wrong.  I DO know, though, that if you have the O/D
> manually engaged (by bypassing the solenoid and making it stay engaged)
> and try to roll back, it will lock.

Elden,
Ahh that answers the question I had. This is the condition I am seeing on
the bench, so this tells me I have every thing together correctly.
>
> As a matter of fact, in my Perkins'd 50 Chevy, I used that little
> "undocumented feature" to hold the car on uphill grades  like at a traffic
> light on a hill.

I'd thought about doing this very thing to aide a new young driver dealing
with a clutch. There aren't many hills here in the piedmont of NC, but
none-the-less it's a real worry for new drivers. Especially considering
how damned close today's drivers pull up behind people. Back when everyone
was driving stick shifts, everyone left plenty of room to the next driver
at stops for the inevitable roll back.

I've been hammering on Devin the importance of parking and stopping the
engine while using reverse instead of first gear. If for some reason the
emergency brake failed or released, the only remaining "brake" is engine
braking. First with the freewheeling feature is a disaster! Reverse locks
the sun gear and provides engine braking as long as in first or reverse.
It's either do this or remember to pull the OD cable out every time.

I always wondered why my drivers ed. teacher told us to always use reverse
when parking. I'd pulled several manual gearboxes apart by then and knew
the ration was the same for first vs. reverse, but having learned about
these OD gearboxes, it makes perfectly good sense! I always followed his
advise anyway.


> It's always a good idea to lock out the O/D in mountains, etc.  Two
> reasons.......One is that with the lower ratios, engine braking will not
> be as strong and the second is that the free wheeling, even at lower
> speeds, can make for scary downhill driving.

Especially with old drum brakes like this vehicle has!
>
> Ain't this fun??!!

Yes it is!
Curt





From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Jan  2 07:51:50 2009
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:51:50 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note of warning regarding
	lubrication
Message-ID: <d10.40f23195.368f9216@aol.com>

Hi  Curt,
My 1951 Hudson had an overdrive and three speed  transmission.  It worked 
well until, late one night, the solenoid became  loose (if memory serves, it 
screwed into the side of the transmission) and  allowed the lubricant to leak out. 
 I didn't know that had happened  until the overdrive gears complained and by 
then it was ruined.  Had I  known that would/could happen, I could have 
prevented  it. 
Regards,
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, Missouri
PS:  With that, and other overdrive cars, I could  engage the dash lever 
in/out of overdrive by flooring the accelerator and  when the transmission had 
shifted out of overdrive, pull or push the dash  lever.
PPS:  The Hudsons, when in overdrive, would  cruise quietly at 85-90 mph and 
achieve 15-16 mpg doing it.  The Missouri  speed limit at that time was 
"Reasonable and Proper" which meant if you had good  weather, clear roads, and a 
suitable vehicle, you could run as fast as you  wanted.
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From gastzt at aol.com  Fri Jan  2 08:30:33 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:30:33 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note of warning regarding
	lubrication
Message-ID: <c1f.520e0ae8.368f9b29@aol.com>

also--miss my old '51 Hudson--   it was without the  OD---    gave it to my 
brother about 40 yrs  ago---DARN!
 Stan Z
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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Jan  2 09:10:08 2009
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:10:08 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note of warning regarding
	lubrication
Message-ID: <ca1.4aa9819d.368fa470@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/2/2009 10:57:57 AM Central Standard Time,  
gastzt at aol.com writes:

also--miss my old '51 Hudson--   it was without the   OD---    gave it to my 
brother about 40 yrs   ago---DARN!
Stan Z


Hi Stan,
Yes, I miss mine, too.  It had the 308 cu in six  (see, engine stuff)* and a 
back seat the size of a playground.  After  having it bored out .030" I had to 
put a 262 cast iron head on it, along with  two head gaskets to keep the 
compression in check.  The original aluminum  head had trouble keeping gaskets in 
place.  Spare head gaskets and  a spare axle were part of my traveling kit as 
it could twist off an axle in  second gear.
Ron
*stock engine was 3 13/16" bore and 4 1/2"  stroke.  Peak rated horsepower 
was achieved at 4200 rpm.   The  way the cam was set up the engine response in 
third gear was stronger at 70 mph  than at 60 mph.  
 
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jan  2 16:22:51 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:22:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note of warning
	regardinglubrication
In-Reply-To: <d10.40f23195.368f9216@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEILHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron:

I'm not sure but did that '51 have the big 308 CI six option?  With the "Twin-H" (dual carbs), "export cam" and high compression aluminum head, those things were awesome........torque out the wazoo!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> MaytagTwin at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 09:52 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner 
> overdrive...note of warning
> regardinglubrication
> 
> 
> Hi  Curt,
> My 1951 Hudson had an overdrive and three speed  
> transmission.  




From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jan  2 16:26:15 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:26:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note of warning
	regardinglubrication
In-Reply-To: <ca1.4aa9819d.368fa470@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEILHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron:

I had a friend with a '54 Hornet 308.  That thing cornered like it was on rails!  I remember us replacing more than one head gasket and several valve guides.  It had Hydromatic and we never had any axle problems.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> MaytagTwin at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:10 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner 
> overdrive...note of warning
> regardinglubrication
> 
> 
>  
> In a message dated 1/2/2009 10:57:57 AM Central 
> Standard Time,  
> gastzt at aol.com writes:
> 
> also--miss my old '51 Hudson--   it was without 
> the   OD---    gave it to my 
> brother about 40 yrs   ago---DARN!
> Stan Z
> 
> 
> Hi Stan,
> Yes, I miss mine, too.  It had the 308 cu in six  
> (see, engine stuff)* and a 
> back seat the size of a playground.  After  
> having it bored out .030" I had to 
> put a 262 cast iron head on it, along with  two 
> head gaskets to keep the 
> compression in check.  The original aluminum  
> head had trouble keeping gaskets in 
> place.  Spare head gaskets and  a spare axle were 
> part of my traveling kit as 
> it could twist off an axle in  second gear.
> Ron
> *stock engine was 3 13/16" bore and 4 1/2"  
> stroke.  Peak rated horsepower 
> was achieved at 4200 rpm.   The  way the cam was 
> set up the engine response in 
> third gear was stronger at 70 mph  than at 60 mph.




From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Jan  2 17:34:57 2009
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:34:57 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note of warning
	regardinglubrication
Message-ID: <c81.43068b22.36901ac1@aol.com>

 
Hi Elden,
My 51 had the 308 CI six.  It didn't have the  dual carbs or exhausts.  It 
had the aluminum head (until I changed it to  the cast iron head from a 262.)  
Torque?  You betcha.  To twist  an axle in second gear only took a little bit 
of sand on the pavement when  accelerating and in second with it about half 
wound up.  It would slip,  then grab and "twang" it was axle time.  It only 
happened a couple of times  and I found replacing an axle was an easy task.  
 
Hudson did put together a 308 engine they called the  "7X" which had all the 
little tweaks to make it go fast.  I never had one  but was well satisfied 
with what I had.
 
Ron
PS:  Since you have been in one, you probably  remember the center point 
steering and how it would hold a straight line even  with one front wheel in 
adverse conditions.  They had dished the wheels to  the point the center of the 
wheel was directly over the king pin.  It  tended to keep going straight better 
than some of the other cars of that  era.  In later years VW even designed 
their front suspension to provide  steering change to overcome left/right pull due 
to uneven braking.  
 
In a message dated 1/2/2009 5:30:05 PM Central Standard Time,  
edurand at mchsi.com writes:

Ron:

I'm not sure but did that '51 have the big 308 CI six  option?  With the 
"Twin-H" (dual carbs), "export cam" and high  compression aluminum head, those 
things were awesome........torque out the  wazoo!

Take care - Elden
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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 18:59:29 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:59:29 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive.
Message-ID: <BAY127-W21C0AD8C147AA6B2546E3BCBE30@phx.gbl>


?I always wondered why my drivers ed. teacher told us to always use reverse when parking.? Not that it?s applicable here, Curt, but with engines with timing belts it?s best to use 
first or reverse, whichever would be appropriate for the direction the car would roll if 
it could.  Turning a timing belt engine backwards can cause all sorts of mayhem.   
?I'd pulled several manual gearboxes apart by then and knew the ration was the same for 
first vs. reverse,?? Not necessarily. There's no mechanical reason this should be so. Lots of transmissions 
are slightly higher (lower numerically) geared in reverse than in low.

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  2 19:48:58 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:48:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction
Message-ID: <53080.96487.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nope,
You are a little tiny sniper.
8>)))

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 12/27/08, Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com> wrote:

From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 5:00 PM

I have to admit, I am a big time sniper!???Hey, do any of you Novo guys know 
the check ball sizes for a 1.5 hp Novo?

Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS Charity Auction


HIDE???
ME????

No it is you hiding.
Are you one of those last second snipers?
Isn't that kinda hard to do when this auction closes 20 minutes after the 
last bid? 8>))

Think how fun this would be if we had 30 or so items to bid on. 8>))

Alan in Michigan



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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jan  3 08:26:02 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:26:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note of
	warningregardinglubrication
In-Reply-To: <c81.43068b22.36901ac1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEJEHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron:

I guess my buddy's '54 Hornet had the 7X because as far as I know, it came from the factory with the options.

Didn't Cadillac also have the "center line" system for a year or two around '50?

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> MaytagTwin at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 07:35 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note of
> warningregardinglubrication
> 
> 
>  
> Hi Elden,
> My 51 had the 308 CI six.  It didn't have the  
> dual carbs or exhausts.  It 
> had the aluminum head (until I changed it to  the 
> cast iron head from a 262.)  
> Torque?  You betcha.  To twist  an axle in second 
> gear only took a little bit 
> of sand on the pavement when  accelerating and in 
> second with it about half 
> wound up.  It would slip,  then grab and "twang" 
> it was axle time.  It only 
> happened a couple of times  and I found replacing 
> an axle was an easy task.  
>  
> Hudson did put together a 308 engine they called 
> the  "7X" which had all the 
> little tweaks to make it go fast.  I never had 
> one  but was well satisfied 
> with what I had.
>  
> Ron
> PS:  Since you have been in one, you probably  
> remember the center point 
> steering and how it would hold a straight line 
> even  with one front wheel in 
> adverse conditions.  They had dished the wheels 
> to  the point the center of the 
> wheel was directly over the king pin.  It  tended 
> to keep going straight better 
> than some of the other cars of that  era.  In 
> later years VW even designed 
> their front suspension to provide  steering 
> change to overcome left/right pull due 
> to uneven braking. 




From shop at cccomm.net  Sat Jan  3 07:31:48 2009
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:31:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel
References: <3A5CEC6ED10B4E1BAA87D401734653DE@tommydk7hxjr4h>	<6f6025160812200527y48226894rafd66064b56954bb@mail.gmail.com>	<912E42C7E9C74AABB47BBACE1EA4F7B2@tommydk7hxjr4h>	<52B99C1C-47BF-4BFD-B836-45D7F60AAB09@alltel.net>	<6FCFF252EC7541FCA69689B80299648D@tommydk7hxjr4h>	<375acf600901010715m164cb64ei4978b39432f46ff8@mail.gmail.com>	<A01921626BDC46BB99684D26412B9749@tommydk7hxjr4h><0KCS00AUXYRSY1D8@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
	<000801c96c3e$76f6d5b0$64e48110$@com>
Message-ID: <3F63945F43BA4145ADA023AC32144C4E@YOURA8CFD79427>

I bought a 2008 F250 and kept my old 2002 F250. The noise issue is the 
difference between night and day comparing the two. But I still prefer 
driving the old noisy one.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Best" <george at irontrader.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel


1997 was the last full model year for the Dodge with 12 valve Cummins.
I have a 1998 Dodge with the 24 valve Cummins.  The 24 valve Dodges came out
mid model year and are sometimes called 98-1/2's.

Still got mine and it has 200k miles on it and still running strong.  Sure
it is a bit noisy compared to the new ones, but it is paid for and the new
ones don't get any better mileage.  Three years ago I stopped driving my
pickup to work everyday and it now is used basically to go to engine shows
and for the occasional trips requiring a pickup.  Should last me a long
time.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tony & Jackie
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 9:20 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] What kind of truck? Gas or Diesel

Tommy,
I assume you meant 1998?  The 12 valve engines were replaced with the
24 valve in early '99.

I drove a 1991 Dodge Cummins 4x4 for a couple years back in
2001-2002.  LOVED the engine but HATED the truck.  Dodge's build
quality left alot to be desired IMO.  I think they have gotten better
since 1991 though.  I would love to find an old 70's or 80's Chevy 1
ton 4x4 to throw a 12 valve Cummins in with a 5 speed NV-4500 behind
it.  THAT would be the ultimate truck IMO.

But then again I'm a diesel nut and a truck driver... I LOVE the loud
smokey clatter!

-Tony



At 10:24 AM 1/1/2009, you wrote:
>My Dodge is a 2008 model.  It was built the last month of the 12 valve
>series. While its a bit louder than a gas, its not so bad that I've ever
had
>any problem like you describe.  The newer 5.9's are about as quiet as a gas
>engine.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY


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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Sat Jan  3 08:38:18 2009
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:38:18 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note of
	warningregardinglubrication
Message-ID: <bcd.43941039.3690ee7a@aol.com>

 
Hi Elden,
Someone else might know about Cadillac as I have never  owned one and don't 
know.
 
If memory serves, the 7X engine was available through  any Hudson dealer but 
was special order.  That made it available to NASCAR  drivers as it was 
"stock."  Hudson managed to win most NASCAR races during  51, 52 and 53.  The Olds 
V8 was faster on the straights but the Hudsons  would either pass or push the 
Olds off the track on the turns.  It was fun  to watch.
 
Ron
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2009 9:29:55 AM Central Standard Time,  
edurand at mchsi.com writes:

Ron:

I guess my buddy's '54 Hornet had the 7X because as far as  I know, it came 
from the factory with the options.

Didn't Cadillac also  have the "center line" system for a year or two around 
'50?

Take care -  Elden
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Jan  3 11:33:05 2009
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:33:05 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note of
	warningregardinglubrication
Message-ID: <be2.3fc44479.36911771@aol.com>

Elden,
When you are referring to "center line" steering, do you mean the  tie rods 
are equal in length and being controlled from the center steering  arm?  If so, 
General Motor used this system in several of their automobiles  in the late 
30s to the early 50s.   Some models of Packard also used  this "center line" 
steering system.
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2009 7:29:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
edurand at mchsi.com writes:

Didn't  Cadillac also have the "center line" system for a year or two around 
'50?  

Francis  Maciel
514 E. Taft Street
Santa Maria, CA  93454


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From mgomaize at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 13:13:56 2009
From: mgomaize at yahoo.com (Tony Pitts)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:13:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] United Type A Ignitor Question
Message-ID: <373183.87136.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello,

I have a 2HP United Type A on which the ignitor trip mechanism doe not work properly.  It will not reset on its own to a firing position.  I can manually move the ignitor and it will work.  If I attach a spring to from the mechanism to either post nearby, it seems to pull it too far to work as well.  I know I'm not describing this well, but I am hoping someone can help.  I have posted pictures on Flickr at:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgomaize/sets/72157612118856538/

Am I missing a specialized spring or some other part?  

Thanks,

Tony

 --------------------------------------------
Tony Pitts 
Ann Arbor, MI 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pitts/mbf 
--------------------------------------------
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18th Annual Show June 5-6, 2009
Dexter, MI
http://www.hudsonmills.org
--------------------------------------------
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jan  3 15:12:18 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:12:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note
	ofwarningregardinglubrication
In-Reply-To: <be2.3fc44479.36911771@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEJMHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Francis:

"Center Line Steering" didn't have anything to do with the tie rod(s).  What it was had to do with the location of the kingpins, which were at the centerline of the tires.  If you had a blowout, uneven brakes, etc. the car wouldn't swerve so badly.

To do this, the wheels had to be dished quite a bit.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> FRM8198 at aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 01:33 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note
> ofwarningregardinglubrication
> 
> 
> Elden,
> When you are referring to "center line" steering, 
> do you mean the  tie rods 
> are equal in length and being controlled from the 
> center steering  arm?  If so, 
> General Motor used this system in several of 
> their automobiles  in the late 
> 30s to the early 50s.   Some models of Packard 
> also used  this "center line" 
> steering system.
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/3/2009 7:29:55 A.M. Pacific 
> Standard Time,  
> edurand at mchsi.com writes:
> 
> Didn't  Cadillac also have the "center line" 
> system for a year or two around 
> '50?  
> 
> Francis  Maciel
> 514 E. Taft Street
> Santa Maria, CA  93454




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Jan  3 16:26:42 2009
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:26:42 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive...note
	ofwarningregardinglubrication
Message-ID: <cf9.4bddd01d.36915c42@aol.com>

Thanks for the enlightment.
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2009 2:19:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
edurand at mchsi.com writes:

"Center  Line Steering" didn't have anything to do with the tie rod(s).   

Francis


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From kimmell at verizon.net  Sat Jan  3 20:04:56 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:04:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive.
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W21C0AD8C147AA6B2546E3BCBE30@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-W21C0AD8C147AA6B2546E3BCBE30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0KCX003W1HYU8ZZ4@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>

At 08:59 PM 1/2/2009, Bruce Younger wrote:
>with engines with timing belts it's best to use
>first or reverse, whichever would be appropriate for the direction 
>the car would roll if
>it could.  Turning a timing belt engine backwards can cause all 
>sorts of mayhem.


Bruce,
What exactly could happen by turning a timing belt engine 
backwards?  I've never heard of this.  Doesn't compute in my head 
what could possibly happen :-)

-Tony



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sat Jan  3 21:07:40 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:07:40 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive.
In-Reply-To: <0KCX003W1HYU8ZZ4@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20090104050738.60E8C30284E@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi Tony, I don't know the resulting damage if any,but it will make the belt
push the cam gear father than pull it.If the idler isn't taught it would
make the belt jump timing. Jimmy
Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tony & Jackie
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:05 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT R-10 Borg Warner overdrive.

At 08:59 PM 1/2/2009, Bruce Younger wrote:
>with engines with timing belts it's best to use
>first or reverse, whichever would be appropriate for the direction 
>the car would roll if
>it could.  Turning a timing belt engine backwards can cause all 
>sorts of mayhem.


Bruce,
What exactly could happen by turning a timing belt engine 
backwards?  I've never heard of this.  Doesn't compute in my head 
what could possibly happen :-)

-Tony

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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Jan  3 22:28:39 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 17:28:39 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moline Pump Company Engines
Message-ID: <20450DE231404BE595A8EBA8D6245B34@peterlowe>

Hi all

One for the Gurus of both Lists:

Does anyone know anything about the Moline Pump Company's history circa 1907 making a range of gasoline engines 12hp - 20hp??

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jan  4 06:58:58 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:58:58 EST
Subject: [SEL] United Type A Ignitor Question
Message-ID: <d67.3c0c7ad0.369228b2@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/3/2009 4:19:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
mgomaize at yahoo.com writes:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgomaize/sets/72157612118856538/


Tony,
 
Yes, it appears that you are missing a spring, and maybe a spring post.  
There should be a small "return" spring between the large left hand post and a  
small post below the large coil spring.  There are two movable parts on the  
ignitor.  The cocking lever one with the large spring attached, and the  smaller 
points lever behind it.  This is the one that needs the  spring.  I have sent 
you a photo off list of what it should look like.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

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From mrengine at comcast.net  Sun Jan  4 08:33:45 2009
From: mrengine at comcast.net (mrengine at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:33:45 +0000
Subject: [SEL] United Type A Ignitor Question
Message-ID: <010420091633.10465.4960E4E9000982A0000028E122070009530A020709020A9D03@comcast.net>

You are missing the spring. Fine looking engine. Frank

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Tony Pitts <mgomaize at yahoo.com> 

> Hello, 
> 
> I have a 2HP United Type A on which the ignitor trip mechanism doe not work 
> properly. It will not reset on its own to a firing position. I can manually 
> move the ignitor and it will work. If I attach a spring to from the mechanism 
> to either post nearby, it seems to pull it too far to work as well. I know I'm 
> not describing this well, but I am hoping someone can help. I have posted 
> pictures on Flickr at: 
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgomaize/sets/72157612118856538/ 
> 
> Am I missing a specialized spring or some other part? 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Tony 
> 
> -------------------------------------------- 
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> Ann Arbor, MI 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pitts/mbf 
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> 18th Annual Show June 5-6, 2009 
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From george at irontrader.com  Sun Jan  4 14:42:23 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (George Best)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:42:23 -0800
Subject: [SEL] European Hell On Wheels Tour 2009
In-Reply-To: <53080.96487.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <53080.96487.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c96ebd$b6504d00$22f0e700$@com>

In 2007, I took four collectors with me and we joined my friend Harry who
lives in Holland. We had a 10 day tour which included the Nuenen engine show
as well as visited somewhere between 22 to 24 engine collections of which
almost all where private collections. We visited collections in Holland,
Germany, Belgium, and Switzerland.

On the last tour, Lauren Langdon, Wayne Thackery, Buzz Stetler, and Les
Layton went with me. If you've talked to any of these guys after the tour
I'm sure they had nothing but good things to say about the quality of the
engines we saw.

I've been hesitant about offering to lead another tour group as the first
one went so well and would be impossible to ever duplicate. Plus the group
fit so well together as we all knew each other and had traveled together.

Originally I was thinking that this year Harry and I would just attend the
Nuenen show and then travel together and try to visit some new collections.
However, Harry asked me yesterday what I thought about doing a tour group
again.

I'm somewhat open to doing a tour again if we can get 4 guys that travel as
well as the last group.

This is NOT a Wendel's engine tour! This is a hard core hell on wheels tour,
which means a lot of traveling and a lot of collections crammed into a short
period of time. We rented a 9 passenger van which worked out great for 6
guys to travel in, so no big tour bus.

I have no idea which collections we will visit this year. I know that we'll
revisit some of our favorite collections we saw in 2007, plus revisit some
collections from prior trips Harry and I have made, plus try to add some new
collections that none of us has seen yet.

If you're interested in this type of a tour, let me know. No guarantee that
we'll do a tour group, just wondering who would want to go and if there is
enough interest.

George



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 02:34:42 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:34:42 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Pincor SS2856 240V/12V Gennys
Message-ID: <6f6025160901050234u63b01019r7fd8131784b024d7@mail.gmail.com>

Just picked up a couple of these on ebay, and got them home last week
after a friend collected them from Wales for me.

Initially we thought that these would be BSA generators like we
already have (5 of them!) but after finding a label on the side, we
can advise as follows:

"Pincor BD-12A"
"Power Unit DC/AC 250Watts No1 (American) 1A"
"Pincor Specification SS2856 1942"

These are indeed dual-voltage 240V AC and 12V battery starting/charging.

A previous thread here:

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15847

is another owner that found one of these units, but no responses at that time.

One of our two is complete, the other is missing some parts. The
unusual feature of these is the additional external flywheel which is
bolted to the existing cooling fan/flywheel.

Kevin Armstrong is showing one that he owns/owned here:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/POWER%20UNIT.htm

I'll get some pictures up as soon as I can.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Jan  5 07:40:11 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:40:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] First engine of the year!
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081231194912.00be3628@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <mailman.1.1230742802.23795.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com >
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My first new engine of the year arrived yesterday afternoon.

The 18hp Stover portable engine I traded for last month (or was it
November?), finally arrived.  Originally it was supposed to be delivered
before Christmas, but winter storms and various problems delayed its
arrival until yesterday.

As a fitting end to its journey across the country, it started snowing
just as the guy pulled in with the trailer and engine.  We unloaded it
while it was snowing and there was still some daylight, plus the guy had
another delivery to make in the evening.

The engine is now sitting inside my barn and it is the biggest engine
that I've owned.  Big 55" flywheels that are over 4" wide.  Don't know
what the whole thing weighs, but it is heavy.

Hope to get it running next weekend, unless I can wait and have to give
it a try some evening after work this week.


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From wayne at lorenssanitation.com  Mon Jan  5 08:09:51 2009
From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:09:51 -0800
Subject: [SEL] First engine of the year!
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George, congratulations on the new addition to the family! Will we see it at
Brooks next year?

Wayne A Thackery
Keizer, Oregon



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My first new engine of the year arrived yesterday afternoon.

The 18hp Stover portable engine I traded for last month (or was it
November?), finally arrived.  Originally it was supposed to be delivered
before Christmas, but winter storms and various problems delayed its
arrival until yesterday.

As a fitting end to its journey across the country, it started snowing
just as the guy pulled in with the trailer and engine.  We unloaded it
while it was snowing and there was still some daylight, plus the guy had
another delivery to make in the evening.

The engine is now sitting inside my barn and it is the biggest engine
that I've owned.  Big 55" flywheels that are over 4" wide.  Don't know
what the whole thing weighs, but it is heavy.

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From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:29:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] First engine of the year!
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Next year!????

What about this year!!

Actually, I have no idea on what I'll show this year at Brooks.

I've got the 1910 Ceres engine that I had at Nuenen in 2007 which hasn't
been shown here.
I've got the 18hp Stover which I just got.
In March I go get the 12hp Ingeco.  (Don't know if yours is still at
Brooks or if you took it home)

Plus I've got a few others I haven't shown at Brooks.

I'm just a small collector compared to you big time collectors, so can
only show a couple engines at a time or I'll run out of fresh things to
show ;-)

Interested in another EHOWT? ;-)

gEORGE

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Thackery
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:10 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] First engine of the year!

George, congratulations on the new addition to the family! Will we see
it at
Brooks next year?

Wayne A Thackery
Keizer, Oregon



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From wayne at lorenssanitation.com  Mon Jan  5 09:19:32 2009
From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:19:32 -0800
Subject: [SEL] First engine of the year!
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George, if you want to look at the Ingeco, I did take it home but come on
by. I figured you would show the Ceres this year as Bert said he would have
the oiler for you when you go to Europe on your EHOWT! I would love to go
again but after buying the slide valve this past year I need to fatten up
the piggy first. 

I will have to say that anyone thinking of going to Europe to look at
engines and take in the show should take advantage of this trip that George
and Harry are thinking of putting together! You will absolutely see the best
of the best......and will be treated with the finest hospitality you will
every get anywhere! I ate more the first day their, than I had eaten in the
previous week. People are vary friendly and helpful and go out of there way
to show off there collections. Don't let George scare you when he says Hell
on Wheels, as it isn't that bad. You're up early and in bed late.....I do
the same thing here at home! If you don't enjoy yourself and have a good
time, then it's your own fault. I would recommend exchanging your money
before you go, as we had one of us that had trouble with his credit card.
Europe is not the place to discover that your card won't work in the ATM
machines! I would also recommend that George and Harry include the Museum in
Cologne, Germany as one of their stops. We were about 11 mile from there
after visiting the Otto Museum but did not have time to visit with our tight
schedule. I think we could have fitted it in, if Les wouldn't have wanted to
go visit the Red Light District in Amsterdam!! 

Wayne A Thackery
Keizer, Oregon 


    

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:30 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] First engine of the year!

Next year!????

What about this year!!

Actually, I have no idea on what I'll show this year at Brooks.

I've got the 1910 Ceres engine that I had at Nuenen in 2007 which hasn't
been shown here.
I've got the 18hp Stover which I just got.
In March I go get the 12hp Ingeco.  (Don't know if yours is still at
Brooks or if you took it home)

Plus I've got a few others I haven't shown at Brooks.

I'm just a small collector compared to you big time collectors, so can
only show a couple engines at a time or I'll run out of fresh things to
show ;-)

Interested in another EHOWT? ;-)

gEORGE

-----Original Message-----
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Thackery
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:10 AM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] First engine of the year!

George, congratulations on the new addition to the family! Will we see
it at
Brooks next year?

Wayne A Thackery
Keizer, Oregon



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From gastzt at aol.com  Mon Jan  5 09:59:40 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:59:40 EST
Subject: [SEL] First engine of the year!
Message-ID: <d59.364ec6a2.3693a48c@aol.com>

WOW- I would LOVE to see that one!  I have a 8hp Stover  that I just got 
finished up--have not started it yet---can't wait!  Good  luck with your new 
arrival----
 Stan Zettner
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Jan  5 13:45:51 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 08:45:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Tommy_Turner=27s_address?=
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Hi Tommy 

Are you out there, come back to me off list I need your email address, we have some talking to do !!
plowe at exemail.com.au

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
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From GRookus2 at comcast.net  Mon Jan  5 16:55:03 2009
From: GRookus2 at comcast.net (Gary Rookus)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:55:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] first engine of the year
Message-ID: <606656588D8C45D19CC5EC9202B4F151@gary>

it was delivered friday,and nothing as spectacularas a 18hp stover.i recveived my little 10 inch flywheel ideal.i was very pleased with it. thanks to alec stevens for the fast service,another trust worthy eng. man this sure is a great hobby

From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jan  5 20:22:49 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:22:49 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
Message-ID: <20090105.202250.2036.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  
I am trying to make an old telephone generator/magneto function.  The
problem is the threads that attach the crank handle.  The outside
diameter of the threads is .267", and the threads measure 24 per inch. 
What in the world is this?
The only markings on it are the number 48A and "PATD in USA July 1894.
Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Mon Jan  5 21:43:36 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:43:36 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <20090105.202250.2036.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090105.202250.2036.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4962EF88.8010600@rustic-engines.com>

5/16" 24tpi UNF ?????????

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> Hi all.  
> I am trying to make an old telephone generator/magneto function.  The
> problem is the threads that attach the crank handle.  The outside
> diameter of the threads is .267", and the threads measure 24 per inch. 
> What in the world is this?
> The only markings on it are the number 48A and "PATD in USA July 1894.
> Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jan  5 22:22:30 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:22:30 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
Message-ID: <20090105.222230.2036.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Al.  But the last time I checked 5/16 was .3125"
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:43:36 +1100 Al Harris
<al.harris at rustic-engines.com> writes:
> 5/16" 24tpi UNF ?????????
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Al Harris
> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz
> 
> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Mon Jan  5 22:55:30 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:55:30 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
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References: <20090105.222230.2036.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
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Are we talking male thread on the shaft of the magneto that you have to 
screw a RH threaded handle on to, to turn the magneto to go ring-ring? :-)

If so, I reckon a handle with a 5/16" 24tpi UNF female thread would do 
the job.

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> Thanks Al.  But the last time I checked 5/16 was .3125"
>  
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
>
> On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:43:36 +1100 Al Harris
> <al.harris at rustic-engines.com> writes:
>   
>> 5/16" 24tpi UNF ?????????
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Al Harris
>> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>>
>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
>>     
>
>   


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Jan  6 01:56:25 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:56:25 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
References: <20090105.202250.2036.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
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Maybe Ron ,allowing for a slight error in measurement you could be looking 
at``Cycle Engineers Institute[CEI] threads.Major diam .266 x26 TPI. .Then 
again it could be Swiss or Thury screw thread ,No -1 , major diam .268 x 
22.85 TPI.Sorry no definate explanation ,obviously used in instrument making
Closest SAE thread is 1/4 ,which is .250x20 TPI* or 28 TPI* .
Maybe you are looking at a 5/16thx24 TPI NF * thread
Note the * indicates that these threads are what was known as SAE 
Aeronautical  Standard .This makes sense in your case but the date of the 
instrument throws me somewhat!
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To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] Thread question


> Hi all.
> I am trying to make an old telephone generator/magneto function.  The
> problem is the threads that attach the crank handle.  The outside
> diameter of the threads is .267", and the threads measure 24 per inch.
> What in the world is this?
> The only markings on it are the number 48A and "PATD in USA July 1894.
> Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 02:12:46 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:12:46 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <20090105.202250.2036.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090105.202250.2036.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901060212u4f6f72dcn6b862b3c2ba09bcc@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/01/2009, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> Hi all.
> I am trying to make an old telephone generator/magneto function.  The
> problem is the threads that attach the crank handle.  The outside
> diameter of the threads is .267", and the threads measure 24 per inch.
> What in the world is this?
> The only markings on it are the number 48A and "PATD in USA July 1894.
> Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell

0.266" X 26tpi is a standard cycle thread, and there are various
speciality threads with 24tpi, such as Admiralty Fine, where all
threads under 1/2" are 24tpi, but I cannot see anyone in the USA using
a British thread standard!

There is an ASME 0.268" diameter X 22tpi as well.

Thread charts etc at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Tables/Mech1.htm
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Tables/Mech1.htm

Peter
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jan  6 02:32:47 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:32:47 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
References: <20090105.202250.2036.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
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Message-ID: <109367B178524A64B0638E154005A36B@peterlowe>

Hi Ron
The 48A is probably a Northern Electric or Western Electric Magneto.
How many magnets does it have Ron, is it a 5 bar?.
Do you have thread guages, every good engine man has them !!!!!
I have sent an email to a telephone group for you.

Regards
Peter, Oz



> 
>> Hi all.
>> I am trying to make an old telephone generator/magneto function.  The
>> problem is the threads that attach the crank handle.  The outside
>> diameter of the threads is .267", and the threads measure 24 per inch.
>> What in the world is this?
>> The only markings on it are the number 48A and "PATD in USA July 1894.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Ron Haskell




From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  6 06:11:06 2009
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:11:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <109367B178524A64B0638E154005A36B@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <72421.90763.qm@web31503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The 48A is a VERY common Western Electric, and the thread for the crank is 9/32 x 24, the tap is available from MSC, item #04840815.
Joe
Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
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--- On Tue, 1/6/09, Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au> wrote:

> From: Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thread question
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 4:32 AM
> Hi Ron
> The 48A is probably a Northern Electric or Western Electric
> Magneto.
> How many magnets does it have Ron, is it a 5 bar?.
> Do you have thread guages, every good engine man has them
> !!!!!
> I have sent an email to a telephone group for you.
> 
> Regards
> Peter, Oz
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> >> Hi all.
> >> I am trying to make an old telephone
> generator/magneto function.  The
> >> problem is the threads that attach the crank
> handle.  The outside
> >> diameter of the threads is .267", and the
> threads measure 24 per inch.
> >> What in the world is this?
> >> The only markings on it are the number 48A and
> "PATD in USA July 1894.
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Ron Haskell
> 
> 
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Jan  6 08:36:15 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 08:36:15 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
Message-ID: <20090106.083615.1232.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 I want to thank all who replied to my question, and will make one reply.
 Al Harris:  a 5/16 x 24 nut slips over the threads without touching. 
Peter O:  I am sure of the 24 tpi and other measurements, and it does
have 5 magnets.  Peter F:  Thanks for the tables.  And I think the winner
is:  Joe Prindle.  I will see if I can find that unusual tap locally, or
order it.  Thanks to all again.

On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:11:06 -0800 (PST) Joe Prindle
<joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> writes:
> The 48A is a VERY common Western Electric, and the thread for the 
> crank is 9/32 x 24, the tap is available from MSC, item #04840815.
> Joe
> Joe Prindle
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From jmackess at twcny.rr.com  Tue Jan  6 09:57:23 2009
From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:57:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
References: <20090105.202250.2036.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c97028$3cf483b0$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04>

Yup. That's a 5-bar Western or Northern Electric from the first few decades
of the twentieth century, when the old Seller's thread system was still
used. I've see this thread on gauge screws, and although I can't find the
right old handbook at the moment, I believe it's in the number series and is
something like a 13 or 14-24. I'll dig later and try to find a chart. Gun
makers, typewriter makers, sewing machine makers all loved using these
"bastard" threads to confound the average repairman.
Jim Mackessy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] Thread question


> Hi all.
> I am trying to make an old telephone generator/magneto function.  The
> problem is the threads that attach the crank handle.  The outside
> diameter of the threads is .267", and the threads measure 24 per inch.
> What in the world is this?
> The only markings on it are the number 48A and "PATD in USA July 1894.
> Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Jan  6 09:55:02 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:55:02 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <20090105.222230.2036.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20090106175459.8BA654C8CC6@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Rod ,Is this one of those diabolical science class toys? Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 10:23 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Thread question

Thanks Al.  But the last time I checked 5/16 was .3125"
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:43:36 +1100 Al Harris
<al.harris at rustic-engines.com> writes:
> 5/16" 24tpi UNF ?????????
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Al Harris
> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz
> 
> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Jan  6 11:17:28 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:17:28 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
Message-ID: <20090106.111728.648.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>



 Yes it is Jim.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:55:02 -0800 "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
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> O'Hagan
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jan  6 12:44:18 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:44:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
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Just one word of caution...  If you order anything from MSC, make DAMN certain that
you know what the shipping & handling charge will be BEFORE you submit your order.
They are the WORST that I've ever dealt with.  Your little 9/32 x 24 tap might end
up costing you $30 S&H!

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, January 6, 2009 11:36 am, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> And I think the winner
> is:  Joe Prindle.  I will see if I can find that unusual tap locally, or
> order it.  Thanks to all again.
>
> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:11:06 -0800 (PST) Joe Prindle
> <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> writes:
>> The 48A is a VERY common Western Electric, and the thread for the
>> crank is 9/32 x 24, the tap is available from MSC, item #04840815.




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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Jan  6 13:37:38 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 06:37:38 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
References: <20090106.083615.1232.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <256D54DFC4794B80BD953DC0EF4FCE36@your9e74d7efa7>

And the winner is Joe Pridle.......come on down Joe, congratulations!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:36 AM
Subject: [SEL] Thread question


> I want to thank all who replied to my question, and will make one reply.
> Al Harris:  a 5/16 x 24 nut slips over the threads without touching.
> Peter O:  I am sure of the 24 tpi and other measurements, and it does
> have 5 magnets.  Peter F:  Thanks for the tables.  And I think the winner
> is:  Joe Prindle.  I will see if I can find that unusual tap locally, or
> order it.  Thanks to all again.
>
> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:11:06 -0800 (PST) Joe Prindle
> <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> writes:
>> The 48A is a VERY common Western Electric, and the thread for the
>> crank is 9/32 x 24, the tap is available from MSC, item #04840815.
>> Joe
>> Joe Prindle
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Tue Jan  6 14:52:45 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:52:45 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <20090106.083615.1232.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090106.083615.1232.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4963E0BD.6070006@rustic-engines.com>

Duh, fellas/guys/sheilas/gals,

next time I do a measurement on a UNF die (5/16" 24tpi), please remind 
me to measure the inner of the cutting threads, not the outer (.26").

The second part of dumb,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
>  I want to thank all who replied to my question, and will make one reply.
>  Al Harris:  a 5/16 x 24 nut slips over the threads without touching. 
> Peter O:  I am sure of the 24 tpi and other measurements, and it does
> have 5 magnets.  Peter F:  Thanks for the tables.  And I think the winner
> is:  Joe Prindle.  I will see if I can find that unusual tap locally, or
> order it.  Thanks to all again.
>
> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:11:06 -0800 (PST) Joe Prindle
> <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> writes:
>   
>> The 48A is a VERY common Western Electric, and the thread for the 
>> crank is 9/32 x 24, the tap is available from MSC, item #04840815.
>> Joe
>> Joe Prindle
>>     
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From bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com  Tue Jan  6 17:48:32 2009
From: bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com (Bob Matthews)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:48:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <a5ee851e30899c80dc58c3b88a9135c7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <20090106.083615.1232.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<a5ee851e30899c80dc58c3b88a9135c7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
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I just had a similar experience with McMaster-Carr

<< Bob Matthews, NW Ohio >>

Arnie Fero wrote:
> Just one word of caution...  If you order anything from MSC, make DAMN certain that
> you know what the shipping & handling charge will be BEFORE you submit your order.
> They are the WORST that I've ever dealt with.  Your little 9/32 x 24 tap might end
> up costing you $30 S&H!
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> On Tue, January 6, 2009 11:36 am, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
>> And I think the winner
>> is:  Joe Prindle.  I will see if I can find that unusual tap locally, or
>> order it.  Thanks to all again.
>>
>> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:11:06 -0800 (PST) Joe Prindle
>> <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> writes:
>>> The 48A is a VERY common Western Electric, and the thread for the
>>> crank is 9/32 x 24, the tap is available from MSC, item #04840815.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---------
> 

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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Jan  6 17:46:37 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:46:37 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
Message-ID: <20090106.174638.648.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 Thanks for the warning Arnie.
One look at the price of $19+ made me take another approach.  I drilled
out a 1/4 28 nut, took an old broken tap and ground to use as a single
point on the lathe, just a few minutes and I had my custom nut.
Thanks again for all who responded.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:44:18 -0500 (EST) "Arnie Fero"
<fero_ah at city-net.com> writes:
> Just one word of caution...  If you order anything from MSC, make 
> DAMN certain that
> you know what the shipping & handling charge will be BEFORE you 
> submit your order.
> They are the WORST that I've ever dealt with.  Your little 9/32 x 24 
> tap might end
> up costing you $30 S&H!
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
>
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Tue Jan  6 19:11:51 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 22:11:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
References: <20090106.174638.648.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <0a7e01c97075$afb02150$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

I suppose being in an industrial area I am spoiled.  We have six industrial 
supply houses in the area, the owner of one lives two doors down from me! 
We are also 60 miles from McMaster Carr. I've placed online orders at 9 pm 
from MMC and had the package at my door by 10 am the next morning.  I've 
always found that shipping is quite inexpensive but maybe thats because I'm 
in the same shipping zone.

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:46 PM
Subject: [SEL] Thread question


> Thanks for the warning Arnie.
> One look at the price of $19+ made me take another approach.  I drilled
> out a 1/4 28 nut, took an old broken tap and ground to use as a single
> point on the lathe, just a few minutes and I had my custom nut.
> Thanks again for all who responded.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
>
> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:44:18 -0500 (EST) "Arnie Fero"
> <fero_ah at city-net.com> writes:
>> Just one word of caution...  If you order anything from MSC, make
>> DAMN certain that
>> you know what the shipping & handling charge will be BEFORE you
>> submit your order.
>> They are the WORST that I've ever dealt with.  Your little 9/32 x 24
>> tap might end
>> up costing you $30 S&H!
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Tue Jan  6 19:26:11 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:26:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <0a7e01c97075$afb02150$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <20090106.174638.648.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<0a7e01c97075$afb02150$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <0KD300DZS067PN09@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>

I just picked up a part from McMaster today as a matter of 
fact.  Nice being able to just walk right in and not deal with 
shipping!  There's also a Grainger in the area as well.

-Tony

At 09:11 PM 1/6/2009, you wrote:
>I suppose being in an industrial area I am spoiled.  We have six industrial
>supply houses in the area, the owner of one lives two doors down from me!
>We are also 60 miles from McMaster Carr. I've placed online orders at 9 pm
>from MMC and had the package at my door by 10 am the next morning.  I've
>always found that shipping is quite inexpensive but maybe thats because I'm
>in the same shipping zone.
>
>Rick




From falcon at telenet.net  Tue Jan  6 21:31:39 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:31:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
Message-ID: <49643E3B.3010000@telenet.net>

http://www.geocities.com/loudgpz/GPZheiModForPoints.html

Be sure to look at the preceding page as well. Plans on there for many
interesting ignition items...

-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jan  6 22:46:14 2009
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 22:46:14 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <a5ee851e30899c80dc58c3b88a9135c7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <20090106.083615.1232.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<a5ee851e30899c80dc58c3b88a9135c7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <87B0988C-13B3-4C26-8536-4CD668609EF0@rustyiron.com>


On Jan 6, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Just one word of caution...  If you order anything from MSC, make  
> DAMN certain that
> you know what the shipping & handling charge will be BEFORE you  
> submit your order.
> They are the WORST that I've ever dealt with.  Your little 9/32 x 24  
> tap might end
> up costing you $30 S&H!


WTF are you talking about?

























From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jan  7 07:33:20 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:33:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <0a7e01c97075$afb02150$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEMPHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Rick:

McMaster is my supplier of choice.  They don't care whether it's an order for one little part or a truckload.  They have virtually EVERYTHING in stock and they get it out the door in hours!  They must be a HUGE operation......AND....they're run right.

I ordered a varied lot of cast iron bar stock, thick walled pipe, carbide inserts, shim stock, bolts, sanding belts on Saturday.  All but the sanding belts arrived yesterday (Tuesday).  They were shipped from Chicago and will most likely be here today.

Most times, if I can get my web order into them by 10 am, I get the shipment the next day and their nearest warehouse is in Atlanta which is several hundred miles away.

This sounds like a commercial but I've been ordering stuff from electronic and industrial suppliers for many years and McMaster has 'em all beat.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Tod Engine
> Foundation
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 09:12 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Thread question
> 
> 
> I suppose being in an industrial area I am 
> spoiled.  We have six industrial 
> supply houses in the area, the owner of one lives 
> two doors down from me! 
> We are also 60 miles from McMaster Carr. I've 
> placed online orders at 9 pm 
> from MMC and had the package at my door by 10 am 
> the next morning.  I've 
> always found that shipping is quite inexpensive 
> but maybe thats because I'm 
> in the same shipping zone.
> 
> Rick




From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jan  7 07:51:54 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:51:54 -0600
Subject: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
In-Reply-To: <49643E3B.3010000@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEMPHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Steve:

That is an interesting website.  I do think that for our purposes (low speed engines without battery recharging means), the HEI modules are overkill.

I designed and used to sell solid-state ignition systems for old engines.  It used either a Hall-Effect transistor and magnet for the pickup or a simple set of contacts.  You could select the triggering mode between when the points opened and when they closed.  On the last model, there was even an RPM limiter.  The unit was totally self contained, including the battery, charger and coil.

My system would run an engine at 1,000 RPM for nearly 100 hours between chargings.

Unfortunately, they didn't sell well and I got out of the business before I got too far into the hole.  I still use my ignitions on all my engines and occasionally see one in use at shows.

As a service to the hobby, I -may- offer the schematic and parts list for a simplified version of this system if anyone's interested.  I also still have a supply of the bare circuit boards for the full-featured version.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Steve W.
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:32 PM
> To: ATIS LIST; Engine list
> Subject: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
> 
> 
> http://www.geocities.com/loudgpz/GPZheiModForPoints.html
> 
> Be sure to look at the preceding page as well. 
> Plans on there for many
> interesting ignition items...
> 
> -- 
> Steve W.




From langer5 at sympatico.ca  Wed Jan  7 08:58:40 2009
From: langer5 at sympatico.ca (Larry Anger)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:58:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEMPHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP38E33D21558157E2D2C2CC97DF0@phx.gbl>

Eldon - I looked at your system on your Butt-Buggy at Portland a number of 
years ago (I think it was Portland) and was going to order one from you and 
then you announced the termination of the business. (oh darn). If you do 
offer something in the future I would jump right to the front of the line if 
it was simple enough for me to build. It was sure a nice system.

Larry Anger
163926 Brownsville Rd.
R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario
Canada N4G 4G8
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] replacement ignition designs


> Steve:
>
> That is an interesting website.  I do think that for our purposes (low 
> speed engines without battery recharging means), the HEI modules are 
> overkill.
>
> I designed and used to sell solid-state ignition systems for old engines. 
> It used either a Hall-Effect transistor and magnet for the pickup or a 
> simple set of contacts.  You could select the triggering mode between when 
> the points opened and when they closed.  On the last model, there was even 
> an RPM limiter.  The unit was totally self contained, including the 
> battery, charger and coil.
>
> My system would run an engine at 1,000 RPM for nearly 100 hours between 
> chargings.
>
> Unfortunately, they didn't sell well and I got out of the business before 
> I got too far into the hole.  I still use my ignitions on all my engines 
> and occasionally see one in use at shows.
>
> As a service to the hobby, I -may- offer the schematic and parts list for 
> a simplified version of this system if anyone's interested.  I also still 
> have a supply of the bare circuit boards for the full-featured version.
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Steve W.
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:32 PM
>> To: ATIS LIST; Engine list
>> Subject: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
>>
>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/loudgpz/GPZheiModForPoints.html
>>
>> Be sure to look at the preceding page as well.
>> Plans on there for many
>> interesting ignition items...
>>
>> -- 
>> Steve W.
>
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jan  7 10:40:09 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:40:09 -0600
Subject: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP38E33D21558157E2D2C2CC97DF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGENDHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Larry:

Thanks for your comments!  If just a few more of you had purchased my ignitions, I'd probably still have 'em on the market.

I'll keep you advised of my plans.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Larry Anger
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:59 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
> 
> 
> Eldon - I looked at your system on your 
> Butt-Buggy at Portland a number of 
> years ago (I think it was Portland) and was going 
> to order one from you and 
> then you announced the termination of the 
> business. (oh darn). If you do 
> offer something in the future I would jump right 
> to the front of the line if 
> it was simple enough for me to build. It was sure 
> a nice system.
> 
> Larry Anger
> 163926 Brownsville Rd.
> R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario
> Canada N4G 4G8
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
> 
> 
> > Steve:
> >
> > That is an interesting website.  I do think 
> that for our purposes (low 
> > speed engines without battery recharging 
> means), the HEI modules are 
> > overkill.
> >
> > I designed and used to sell solid-state 
> ignition systems for old engines. 
> > It used either a Hall-Effect transistor and 
> magnet for the pickup or a 
> > simple set of contacts.  You could select the 
> triggering mode between when 
> > the points opened and when they closed.  On the 
> last model, there was even 
> > an RPM limiter.  The unit was totally self 
> contained, including the 
> > battery, charger and coil.
> >
> > My system would run an engine at 1,000 RPM for 
> nearly 100 hours between 
> > chargings.
> >
> > Unfortunately, they didn't sell well and I got 
> out of the business before 
> > I got too far into the hole.  I still use my 
> ignitions on all my engines 
> > and occasionally see one in use at shows.
> >
> > As a service to the hobby, I -may- offer the 
> schematic and parts list for 
> > a simplified version of this system if anyone's 
> interested.  I also still 
> > have a supply of the bare circuit boards for 
> the full-featured version.
> >
> > Take care - Elden
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand




From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Jan  7 09:52:31 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:52:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGENDHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP38E33D21558157E2D2C2CC97DF0@phx.gbl>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGENDHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059097A09EA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

Elden,

So how much is one of your ignitions?

I don't need one at the moment, but have thought at various times of
building an engine.  Of course I don't know where I'd find the time to
do it when I can't seem to finish all the original engines I have in
various states of non-running.

If the price was right, I'd take one cause you can always stock up for
future projects.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden
DuRand
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:40 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] replacement ignition designs

Larry:

Thanks for your comments!  If just a few more of you had purchased my
ignitions, I'd probably still have 'em on the market.

I'll keep you advised of my plans.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Larry Anger
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:59 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
> 
> 
> Eldon - I looked at your system on your 
> Butt-Buggy at Portland a number of 
> years ago (I think it was Portland) and was going 
> to order one from you and 
> then you announced the termination of the 
> business. (oh darn). If you do 
> offer something in the future I would jump right 
> to the front of the line if 
> it was simple enough for me to build. It was sure 
> a nice system.
> 
> Larry Anger
> 163926 Brownsville Rd.
> R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario
> Canada N4G 4G8
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
> 
> 
> > Steve:
> >
> > That is an interesting website.  I do think 
> that for our purposes (low 
> > speed engines without battery recharging 
> means), the HEI modules are 
> > overkill.
> >
> > I designed and used to sell solid-state 
> ignition systems for old engines. 
> > It used either a Hall-Effect transistor and 
> magnet for the pickup or a 
> > simple set of contacts.  You could select the 
> triggering mode between when 
> > the points opened and when they closed.  On the 
> last model, there was even 
> > an RPM limiter.  The unit was totally self 
> contained, including the 
> > battery, charger and coil.
> >
> > My system would run an engine at 1,000 RPM for 
> nearly 100 hours between 
> > chargings.
> >
> > Unfortunately, they didn't sell well and I got 
> out of the business before 
> > I got too far into the hole.  I still use my 
> ignitions on all my engines 
> > and occasionally see one in use at shows.
> >
> > As a service to the hobby, I -may- offer the 
> schematic and parts list for 
> > a simplified version of this system if anyone's 
> interested.  I also still 
> > have a supply of the bare circuit boards for 
> the full-featured version.
> >
> > Take care - Elden
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand


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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jan  7 11:14:50 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:14:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059097A09EA@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKENFHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

George:

I'm sorry but you are about three years too late for one of the production models.

Stay tuned.  When I get a chance, I'll design a simplified version in a do-it-yourself kit.  I don't know if I want to go to the expense of having printed circuit boards made, so it may be a rat's nest configuration.  You supply the box, the battery, the coil and the labor and I supply the rest.

I'll have to experiment to see how long a lantern battery will last.  That would eliminate some up-front cost (gel-cell battery and charger).

Since I quit the business, I've designed several other versions of the ignition system.  Some of them are very simple, using only one chip and a MOSFET transistor and the other parts to make it work.  

I've always believed that you should be able to use just about any high tension coil for my systems and my ignitions will  successfully drive anything from a little dinky weedeater mag coil to a big old battery-type point-type coil.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Best,
> George
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:53 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
> 
> 
> Elden,
> 
> So how much is one of your ignitions?
> 
> I don't need one at the moment, but have thought 
> at various times of
> building an engine.  Of course I don't know where 
> I'd find the time to
> do it when I can't seem to finish all the 
> original engines I have in
> various states of non-running.
> 
> If the price was right, I'd take one cause you 
> can always stock up for
> future projects.
> 
> George




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jan  7 10:22:05 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:22:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEMPHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEMPHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <9330f0eb5182002fbc144176b9309395.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Elden,

On Wed, January 7, 2009 10:33 am, Elden DuRand wrote:
> Rick:
>
> McMaster is my supplier of choice.  They don't care whether it's an order for one
> little part or a truckload.  They have virtually EVERYTHING in stock and they get it
> out the door in hours!  They must be a HUGE operation......AND....they're run right.

Some day I NEED to visit one of their warehouses.  Just to see how they work.  They
REALLY are run right.

The other thing about how they've "raised the bar" in terms of customer expectations
is that when some other less efficient outfit says cheerfully, "You should receive
that item in four to six weeks."  My reaction now is more along the lines of "Fuck
off.  Cancel this order."

See ya,  Arnie




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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jan  8 02:31:14 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:31:14 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Pincor SS2856 240V/12V Gennys
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160901050234u63b01019r7fd8131784b024d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160901050234u63b01019r7fd8131784b024d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901080231t17971d81y89501add4785ba3@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/01/2009, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just picked up a couple of these on ebay, and got them home last week
> after a friend collected them from Wales for me.
>

Had the loan of an operating handbook and spares list from PT-E, this
one is for a Pioneer Gen-E-Motor unit, type BD-12-A. Originally built
for running Wireless Set No12:

http://home.planet.nl/~meuls003/gallery/ws12.html

It is identical to our own unit, so there must have been a few
manufacturers who were contracted to build these little units.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From curt at rustyiron.com  Thu Jan  8 14:00:59 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:00:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [SEL] Russell Farmer???
Message-ID: <59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Does anyone have an email address for OFES guru Russell Farmer?

Is he still doing the OFES registry? I'm redoing our old Cotton Ginning
Days club website and was going to add an email link to him for those
interested in oil field engines.

Curt Holland

P.S. The Cotton Ginning Days website link is still the same just spruced
up some.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/>
The old site was a wee bit boring (my first website), so hopefully this
will evolve into an improvement. Much work remains.





From clemsweller at etczone.com  Thu Jan  8 17:30:47 2009
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:30:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [QUARANTINE]  Russell Farmer???
In-Reply-To: <59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <005001c971f9$fa610ef0$ef232cd0$@com>

oilengine at embarqmail.com is the last email I have for Rusty!

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
curt at rustyiron.com
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:01 PM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [QUARANTINE] [SEL] Russell Farmer???

Does anyone have an email address for OFES guru Russell Farmer?

Is he still doing the OFES registry? I'm redoing our old Cotton Ginning
Days club website and was going to add an email link to him for those
interested in oil field engines.

Curt Holland

P.S. The Cotton Ginning Days website link is still the same just spruced
up some.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/>
The old site was a wee bit boring (my first website), so hopefully this
will evolve into an improvement. Much work remains.



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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan  8 18:32:23 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:32:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
Message-ID: <E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>

Folks I gave my 11 year old grandson a Laptop Computer and he set it up with a password to get into it from the desktop. He has now forgot the password and cannot use the computer. Is there anyway around this without having to do a system recovery and wipe out the whole hard drive?

Thanks for any help or advice can give.

Paul

From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Jan  8 18:49:06 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:49:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
References: <E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
Message-ID: <DBC395CEBFE84F4A8BE6F16B945FED54@peterlowe>

Try here
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q321305
Peter




> Folks I gave my 11 year old grandson a Laptop Computer and he set it up 
> with a password to get into it from the desktop. He has now forgot the 
> password and cannot use the computer. Is there anyway around this without 
> having to do a system recovery and wipe out the whole hard drive?
>
> Thanks for any help or advice can give.
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From rolfb at accima.com  Thu Jan  8 18:54:39 2009
From: rolfb at accima.com (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:54:39 -0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
In-Reply-To: <E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
References: <E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
Message-ID: <4966BC6F.6010800@accima.com>

Paul - Not sure in your case, but years ago I had an old Toshiba laptop 
that had a password feature built into the BIOS.  It was possible defeat 
the password by jumpers into on the mother board.  If you have the 
manual, take a look, or maybe at the web site supporting your machine.


Just my $0.02.   Good Luck


Regards,


Bob R.
Moses Lake, WA, USA



paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Folks I gave my 11 year old grandson a Laptop Computer and he set it up with a password to get into it from the desktop. He has now forgot the password and cannot use the computer. Is there anyway around this without having to do a system recovery and wipe out the whole hard drive?
>
> Thanks for any help or advice can give.
>
> Paul
>
>   


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan  8 19:20:47 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:20:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T Computer Problem Solved - Thanks
Message-ID: <12B7314385EC411E8A65C646A1389278@PAUL>

Thanks Peter and Bob for helping me with the problem. We found that by holding the F8 key down and then selecting the "Safe Mode" we were able to get into the "Administrator Account" and bypass the password. We are now getting rid of all of the passwords and I told my grandson I would kill him if he ever does this again....well I would not really kill him but he has stressed me out enough that inflicting harm on him crossed my mind, ha, ha.

Paul

From falcon at telenet.net  Thu Jan  8 19:29:03 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:29:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
In-Reply-To: <E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
References: <E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
Message-ID: <4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>

paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Folks I gave my 11 year old grandson a Laptop Computer and he set it
> up with a password to get into it from the desktop. He has now forgot
> the password and cannot use the computer. Is there anyway around this
> without having to do a system recovery and wipe out the whole hard
> drive?
> 
> Thanks for any help or advice can give.
> 
> Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list
>  SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

Paul, What OS does the machine have on it and when does he need to type
in the password?
If it's XP and the password he is typing in is the one on the welcome
screen,

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894902/


-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York


From kimmell at verizon.net  Thu Jan  8 23:16:33 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:16:33 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Thread question
In-Reply-To: <9330f0eb5182002fbc144176b9309395.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEMPHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<9330f0eb5182002fbc144176b9309395.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <0KD700LF6066LF87@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>

At 12:22 PM 1/7/2009, you wrote:
>Some day I NEED to visit one of their warehouses.  Just to see how 
>they work.  They
>REALLY are run right.
>
>The other thing about how they've "raised the bar" in terms of 
>customer expectations
>is that when some other less efficient outfit says cheerfully, "You 
>should receive
>that item in four to six weeks."  My reaction now is more along the 
>lines of "Fuck
>off.  Cancel this order."
>
>See ya,  Arnie

Their Chicago warehouse is amazing.  No sooner do they pull the 
freight off my truck, then it's being picked apart by 2-3 guys who 
sort it onto different pallets depending what it is, then it's picked 
up by one of a dozen forklift trucks that constantly circle the 
building putting things into stock.  All this happens in less than 10 
minutes.  They have probably 20-25 people doing this all across the 
loading dock.  There are separate groups of people for the mailing, 
shipping, will call departments, etc.  I have no idea how many 
employees they have, but if it's less than 1,500 I'd be 
surprised.  It's hard to walk across the dock without having to dodge 
forklifts and utility cars running all over the place.

The place is run like an army base... very strict protocol 
everywhere.  It's a pain in my ass sometimes, but it seems to be 
working well for them.



From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jan  9 06:44:33 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 06:44:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
In-Reply-To: <4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>
References: <E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
	<4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <b6e5889e104229c5cfde6393d9dd11da@dickerson-design.com>

Don't you just love Microsoft security!?!
Hold a key, get in and remove password, the computer is yours! 
HAHAHA. No wonder it's so easy to hack MS systems.

Bill

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:29:03 -0500, "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net> wrote:
> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>> Folks I gave my 11 year old grandson a Laptop Computer and he set it
>> up with a password to get into it from the desktop. He has now forgot
>> the password and cannot use the computer. Is there anyway around this
>> without having to do a system recovery and wipe out the whole hard
>> drive?
>>
>> Thanks for any help or advice can give.
>>
>> Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list
>>  SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
> 
> Paul, What OS does the machine have on it and when does he need to type
> in the password?
> If it's XP and the password he is typing in is the one on the welcome
> screen,
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894902/
> 
> 
> --
> Steve W.
> Near Cooperstown, New York
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Jan  9 08:23:45 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:23:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP38E33D21558157E2D2C2CC97DF0@phx.gbl>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEMPHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP38E33D21558157E2D2C2CC97DF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909811E16@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Anger
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 8:59 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] replacement ignition designs

Eldon - I looked at your system on your Butt-Buggy at Portland a number
of 
years ago (I think it was Portland) and was going to order one from you
and 
then you announced the termination of the business. (oh darn). If you do

offer something in the future I would jump right to the front of the
line if 
it was simple enough for me to build. It was sure a nice system.

Larry Anger
163926 Brownsville Rd.
R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario
Canada N4G 4G8
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] replacement ignition designs


> Steve:
>
> That is an interesting website.  I do think that for our purposes (low

> speed engines without battery recharging means), the HEI modules are 
> overkill.
>
> I designed and used to sell solid-state ignition systems for old
engines. 
> It used either a Hall-Effect transistor and magnet for the pickup or a

> simple set of contacts.  You could select the triggering mode between
when 
> the points opened and when they closed.  On the last model, there was
even 
> an RPM limiter.  The unit was totally self contained, including the 
> battery, charger and coil.
>
> My system would run an engine at 1,000 RPM for nearly 100 hours
between 
> chargings.
>
> Unfortunately, they didn't sell well and I got out of the business
before 
> I got too far into the hole.  I still use my ignitions on all my
engines 
> and occasionally see one in use at shows.
>
> As a service to the hobby, I -may- offer the schematic and parts list
for 
> a simplified version of this system if anyone's interested.  I also
still 
> have a supply of the bare circuit boards for the full-featured
version.
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Steve W.
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:32 PM
>> To: ATIS LIST; Engine list
>> Subject: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
>>
>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/loudgpz/GPZheiModForPoints.html
>>
>> Be sure to look at the preceding page as well.
>> Plans on there for many
>> interesting ignition items...
>>
>> -- 
>> Steve W.
>
>
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From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Jan  9 08:33:36 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:33:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] replacement ignition designs
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909811E16@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEMPHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com><BLU0-SMTP38E33D21558157E2D2C2CC97DF0@phx.gbl>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909811E16@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909811E69@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

That last message from me was an "Oops....".
Accidentally clicked the send button.


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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Jan  9 08:58:05 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:58:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
In-Reply-To: <b6e5889e104229c5cfde6393d9dd11da@dickerson-design.com>
References: <4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>
	<E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
	<4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi,  You have to keep in mind that the point of the whole 
Microsoft  Windows operating system was to make the personal computer 
possable to the masses and so it must be more user friendly.  So the more 
computer illiterates you have using, the easier it is for them to mess 
things up. And yes I include myself in the arena of computer 
illiterates.  Just because we can use email, google porn or sell on Ebay 
does not mean we know a whip about computers and the operating systems. So 
you have to make it way easier to correct their mistakes because there is 
not enough truely "system" or "hardware" literate people around to correct 
problems.
  You want to keep a system secure, then make it difficult or complicated 
and keep the knowledge base of people who know it to a minimum, restrict 
their access.  And then too, it better be stand alone.
   None of us or very few of us use our computers to even 10% of their true 
capabilities.   Mark


At 06:44 AM 1/9/2009 -0800, you wrote:
>Don't you just love Microsoft security!?!
>Hold a key, get in and remove password, the computer is yours!
>HAHAHA. No wonder it's so easy to hack MS systems.
>
>Bill
>
>On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:29:03 -0500, "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net> wrote:
> > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> >> Folks I gave my 11 year old grandson a Laptop Computer and he set it
> >> up with a password to get into it from the desktop. He has now forgot
> >> the password and cannot use the computer. Is there anyway around this
> >> without having to do a system recovery and wipe out the whole hard
> >> drive?
> >>
> >> Thanks for any help or advice can give.
> >>
> >> Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list
> >>  SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Paul, What OS does the machine have on it and when does he need to type
> > in the password?
> > If it's XP and the password he is typing in is the one on the welcome
> > screen,
> >
> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894902/
> >
> >
> > --
> > Steve W.
> > Near Cooperstown, New York
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>_______________________________________________
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>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
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>8:38 AM

Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

Frappi at wcoil.com
419.358.5206  Home
419.516.2996 Ver. Cell
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.

      



From curt at rustyiron.com  Fri Jan  9 09:55:40 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:55:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>
	<E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
	<5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <59442.168.215.206.73.1231523740.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Paul,
I have had success a few times mucking around in regedit and finding
passwords. Mind you there are a hell of a lot of files to look thru, but
it can be done.
Just be darned careful, because one space or accidental deletion in the
registry can FUBAR a computer.
Curt H


> Hi,  You have to keep in mind that the point of the whole
> Microsoft  Windows operating system was to make the personal computer
> possable to the masses and so it must be more user friendly.  So the more
> computer illiterates you have using, the easier it is for them to mess
> things up. And yes I include myself in the arena of computer
> illiterates.  Just because we can use email, google porn or sell on Ebay
> does not mean we know a whip about computers and the operating systems. So
> you have to make it way easier to correct their mistakes because there is
> not enough truely "system" or "hardware" literate people around to correct
> problems.
>   You want to keep a system secure, then make it difficult or complicated
> and keep the knowledge base of people who know it to a minimum, restrict
> their access.  And then too, it better be stand alone.
>    None of us or very few of us use our computers to even 10% of their
> true
> capabilities.   Mark
>
>
> At 06:44 AM 1/9/2009 -0800, you wrote:
>>Don't you just love Microsoft security!?!
>>Hold a key, get in and remove password, the computer is yours!
>>HAHAHA. No wonder it's so easy to hack MS systems.
>>
>>Bill
>>
>>On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:29:03 -0500, "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
>> wrote:
>> > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>> >> Folks I gave my 11 year old grandson a Laptop Computer and he set it
>> >> up with a password to get into it from the desktop. He has now forgot
>> >> the password and cannot use the computer. Is there anyway around this
>> >> without having to do a system recovery and wipe out the whole hard
>> >> drive?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for any help or advice can give.
>> >>
>> >> Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list
>> >>  SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Paul, What OS does the machine have on it and when does he need to
>> type
>> > in the password?
>> > If it's XP and the password he is typing in is the one on the welcome
>> > screen,
>> >
>> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894902/
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Steve W.
>> > Near Cooperstown, New York
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>No virus found in this incoming message.
>>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>>Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1884 - Release Date: 1/9/2009
>>8:38 AM
>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA
>
> Frappi at wcoil.com
> 419.358.5206  Home
> 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
>
>
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jan  9 10:00:06 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:00:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>
	<E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
	<5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <8f63dbe6ac4ed59445107661e771744b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

So Mark, what you're saying is that the Windoze OS is to computers what the Maytag
Multimotor is to the engine world?  8->>>

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, January 9, 2009 11:58 am, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> Hi,  You have to keep in mind that the point of the whole
> Microsoft  Windows operating system was to make the personal computer
> possable to the masses and so it must be more user friendly.  So the more
> computer illiterates you have using, the easier it is for them to mess
> things up.




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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Jan  9 10:59:23 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:59:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
In-Reply-To: <8f63dbe6ac4ed59445107661e771744b.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>
	<E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
	<5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20090109133553.013d2650@pop3.wcoil.com>

GRINNNN   Actually I'd assign that honor to todays small two cycle engines. 
Cheap to buy and goes bad or out of
date and not worth fixin right quickly.
  I'd never put a Maytag as low as the richety house of cards Gates has 
built. ;-) Maytags are more like Macs and Apples, stable, sturdy, reliable 
and easy to fix if a problem arises. (Twins being the exception to the 
rule) Again tongue in cheak.  The only reason MS is still dominant is they 
grabbed market share and household name recognition very early on and built 
it into a monstrosity.  Even with the problems with Vista, MS is still 
holding on. I hear though that MS is in a race to release a new OS to 
replace VISTA asap.  Probably just a corrected version of Vista but renamed 
to shed themselves of the stigma of Vista.    8-) LOL     Mark

PS: And yes I use MS OS machines, mainly because its the easiest to get 
support for around here. And the easiest to find used cheap. Its hard to 
fight against an avalanche.   Oh well.


At 01:00 PM 1/9/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>So Mark, what you're saying is that the Windoze OS is to computers what 
>the Maytag
>Multimotor is to the engine world?  8->>>
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Fri, January 9, 2009 11:58 am, Mark Shulaw wrote:
> > Hi,  You have to keep in mind that the point of the whole
> > Microsoft  Windows operating system was to make the personal computer
> > possable to the masses and so it must be more user friendly.  So the more
> > computer illiterates you have using, the easier it is for them to mess
> > things up.
>
>
>
>
>--
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>believed to be clean.
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>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1884 - Release Date: 1/9/2009 
>8:38 AM

Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

Frappi at wcoil.com
419.358.5206  Home
419.516.2996 Ver. Cell
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.

      



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jan  9 11:46:22 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:46:22 -0800
Subject: [SEL] IH LA question
Message-ID: <20090109.114622.536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  I am working on an 1940 IH LA, not an LB.  The oil cup under the
valve cover is missing,  just the hole in the rocker shaft where it went.
 The reproduction owners manual is worthless,  is there one piece or two?
 Any other info. would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
____________________________________________________________
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From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Jan  9 11:56:16 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:56:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>	<E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>	<4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>
	<5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <4967ABE0.9030007@telenet.net>

Mark Shulaw wrote:
> Hi,  You have to keep in mind that the point of the whole 
> Microsoft  Windows operating system was to make the personal computer 
> possable to the masses and so it must be more user friendly.  So the more 
> computer illiterates you have using, the easier it is for them to mess 
> things up. And yes I include myself in the arena of computer 
> illiterates.  Just because we can use email, google porn or sell on Ebay 
> does not mean we know a whip about computers and the operating systems. So 
> you have to make it way easier to correct their mistakes because there is 
> not enough truely "system" or "hardware" literate people around to correct 
> problems.
>   You want to keep a system secure, then make it difficult or complicated 
> and keep the knowledge base of people who know it to a minimum, restrict 
> their access.  And then too, it better be stand alone.
>    None of us or very few of us use our computers to even 10% of their true 
> capabilities.   Mark

The problem with XP HOME is that it is semi crippled as far as real iron
door security goes, IF you have access to the actual computer. Basically
the same as any other computer in that, regardless of the machine or OS
used Linux, Windows, Unix, OS X, it doesn't matter if you have physical
access to the machine. Unless the user made it secure it isn't.
 However you can make it VERY secure if you wish. You start by using a
BIOS password, That means you type in a password before the machine will
even boot up. Then you add a password to the administrative account and
set up ALL other accounts to have limited access with passwords on them
as well.

Now the only person who can actually do damage is the one who holds the
bios and admin passwords.

However many folks don't want to be bothered with this level of
security, they only want to plug it in turn it on and surf the net.

-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan  9 12:27:59 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:27:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
References: <4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net><E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL><5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<59442.168.215.206.73.1231523740.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <09F7E0B8C65D480B838AA1CA6FA89DE5@PAUL>

Thanks Curt and I totally understand the potential for disaster messing with 
the registry.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <curt at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help


> Paul,
> I have had success a few times mucking around in regedit and finding
> passwords. Mind you there are a hell of a lot of files to look thru, but
> it can be done.
> Just be darned careful, because one space or accidental deletion in the
> registry can FUBAR a computer.
> Curt H
>
>
>> Hi,  You have to keep in mind that the point of the whole
>> Microsoft  Windows operating system was to make the personal computer
>> possable to the masses and so it must be more user friendly.  So the more
>> computer illiterates you have using, the easier it is for them to mess
>> things up. And yes I include myself in the arena of computer



From bee_keeper at clearwire.net  Fri Jan  9 17:12:04 2009
From: bee_keeper at clearwire.net (Lew Best)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 19:12:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] figured out a trick today
Message-ID: <010701c972c0$73557f00$5a007d00$@net>

Hey guys

 

Working on an old backhoe I traded for & having to do some modifications.
One involved moving the gas tank & making some new brackets which required
putting bolts in & the nuts being inside a channel where I couldn't hold
them with anything but an open end wrench to start them.  my magnet was too
thick to go in; the channel shallow enough that a box end tilted the nut too
much, etc.  Tried grease but that didn't work well.  Then I hit on the idea.
I put a piece of strapping tape on the flat side of the open end & stuck the
nut to it; bingo!  Worked perfect.  I think that stuff will stick TIGHT to
most anything. 

 

Just thought I'd pass it on.

 

Lew Best near Waco, TX

 



From rex002 at centurytel.net  Fri Jan  9 19:04:36 2009
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (rex002)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 21:04:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] IH LA question
References: <20090109.114622.536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <1352026534A043A6808BB7702BE22646@ibmhlcs6ptj6iw>

Ron ;

  Its a little 90 degree fitting with a spring loaded cover , I got one from 
Hit Miss Enterprises , There is a hole in the cover so you can oil it with 
out taking the cover off.

Rex Hinz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:46 PM
Subject: [SEL] IH LA question


> Hi all.  I am working on an 1940 IH LA, not an LB.  The oil cup under the
> valve cover is missing,  just the hole in the rocker shaft where it went.
> The reproduction owners manual is worthless,  is there one piece or two?
> Any other info. would be appreciated.  Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
> ____________________________________________________________
> Click for free info on getting a merchant account for your business.
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1RmGyd9j3PcTTVvl34Acw9F3U21l1beQqTWjtVMo66zAIQl/
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jan  9 22:10:28 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:10:28 -0800
Subject: [SEL] IH LA question
Message-ID: <20090109.221029.668.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Rex.  That is what I remembered, but not sure.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 21:04:36 -0600 "rex002" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
writes:
> Ron ;
> 
>   Its a little 90 degree fitting with a spring loaded cover , I got 
> one from 
> Hit Miss Enterprises , There is a hole in the cover so you can oil 
> it with 
> out taking the cover off.
> 
> Rex Hinz
____________________________________________________________
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 00:52:10 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 08:52:10 +0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
In-Reply-To: <09F7E0B8C65D480B838AA1CA6FA89DE5@PAUL>
References: <4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>
	<E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
	<5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<59442.168.215.206.73.1231523740.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<09F7E0B8C65D480B838AA1CA6FA89DE5@PAUL>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901100052ia229a32r690ecbac992a264e@mail.gmail.com>

On 09/01/2009, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Thanks Curt and I totally understand the potential for disaster messing with
> the registry.
>
> Paul

One thing that you have to do with most larger hard drives is to
enable large lba code in the registry, other wise you're limited to
137gb or less, depending on your OS. I think XP came with this
enabled?

I've just had a new 500gb Maxtor/Seagate drive go wobbly on me on our
storage PC, and installed a secondhand 250gb drive to get going again
with the backups. Avoid any drives made in China!  Our recovery guy
reckons that the failure rates for Chinese drives is far above the
industry norm, and recommends that Singapore-built drives are probably
the best, alongside Malaysian, followed by Thailand in that order.

We still use Windows 200 Pro. although we do have some new software
and licences for XP pro if we want to go that route some time. Vista I
would not use, and most of our machines are not hardware compatible
anyway.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 00:53:16 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 08:53:16 +0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Need Computer Help
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160901100052ia229a32r690ecbac992a264e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4966C47F.7090106@telenet.net>
	<E7BB72577ECC42EF913CE97328EDDF6B@PAUL>
	<5.2.0.9.1.20090109113100.013b8028@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<59442.168.215.206.73.1231523740.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<09F7E0B8C65D480B838AA1CA6FA89DE5@PAUL>
	<6f6025160901100052ia229a32r690ecbac992a264e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901100053j696a8da9pcc779c706387354c@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/01/2009, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:

> We still use Windows 200 Pro.

Make that Windows 2000 Pro :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jan 10 07:20:42 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:20:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] figured out a trick today
In-Reply-To: <010701c972c0$73557f00$5a007d00$@net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEPKHMAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Lew:

Good idea!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Lew Best
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 07:12 PM
> To: At at Lists. Antique-Tractor. Com; SEL
> Subject: [SEL] figured out a trick today




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sat Jan 10 10:29:54 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:29:54 -0000
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Good_deeds_are_carried_on!!?=
Message-ID: <005f01c97351$702e2f70$3a290556@intrepid>

On the 15 December 2001 I suffered severe brain damage after being knocked off my bicycle.
Engine friends on both lists, (74 of you) subscribed to a fund for me to help while I recovered.
Once I was recovered many months later I re-instated the fund and saved it in a separate account.
A couple of years ago, Bob Bolhuis in Canada was knocked off his motorcycle & suffered similar
brain injuries to those I had suffered. We commiserated with each other over the problems &
I passed on the fund to Bob who was unable to work. (I advised the lists).
Bob rang me tonight and he told me that he had been back at work for about a year.
A female friend of his who was a teacher of handicapped children has suffered similar brain damage
& is having financial problems so Bob has passed on the full amount!!
It is nice to see your generosity of 7 years ago still giving help to unfortunate people.
A good start to the New Year.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 12:17:54 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:17:54 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Good deeds are carried on!!
In-Reply-To: <005f01c97351$702e2f70$3a290556@intrepid>
References: <005f01c97351$702e2f70$3a290556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901101217t3e22fa4bva81da8ae58272af5@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/01/2009, Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> On the 15 December 2001 I suffered severe brain damage after being knocked
> off my bicycle.
> Engine friends on both lists, (74 of you) subscribed to a fund for me to
> help while I recovered.
> Once I was recovered many months later I re-instated the fund and saved it
> in a separate account.
> A couple of years ago, Bob Bolhuis in Canada was knocked off his motorcycle
> & suffered similar
> brain injuries to those I had suffered. We commiserated with each other over
> the problems &
> I passed on the fund to Bob who was unable to work. (I advised the lists).
> Bob rang me tonight and he told me that he had been back at work for about a
> year.
> A female friend of his who was a teacher of handicapped children has
> suffered similar brain damage
> & is having financial problems so Bob has passed on the full amount!!
> It is nice to see your generosity of 7 years ago still giving help to
> unfortunate people.
> A good start to the New Year.
> Dave Croft

For more recent members of both lists who were not around in 2001,
this was a truly International effort, handled by Reg Ingold in Oz,
Dave Rotigel in the USA and myself in the UK. Within 2 weeks or less
we had raised a significant amount of cash in three currencies, got it
converted at no charge (my sister worked at HSBC then) and we were
able to send Dave a large Xmas food hamper and a very nice cheque for
him and his family.

A full record was kept of all responses and donations, and I have that
filed/archived, including the hamper picture :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 12:23:16 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:23:16 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Philco Dual-engine Trucks for B24 Haulage
Message-ID: <6f6025160901101223y24af1293q224c5ebcf7b79e10@mail.gmail.com>

Reading one of our back issues of the USAF Museum  'Friends' magazine,
I read about the Ford Willow Run plant that was turned over to
mass-production of the B-24 bomber.

A small item in the article caught my eye:

Philco made the truck tractor unit, and it had two 100hp V8 Ford
engines sitting side by side in the chassis. the trailer was 60ft
long, they could road-hail a complete B-24 in two truck/trailers.

I know that Philco made Radios and TV's after the war, but never knew
about this truck manufacturing side. Are any of these trucks still
extant?  Has anyone else heard of this haulage unit?

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 10 13:02:50 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:02:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Good deeds are carried on!!
In-Reply-To: <005f01c97351$702e2f70$3a290556@intrepid>
References: <005f01c97351$702e2f70$3a290556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <fe5bd86493db1548d3db6bd62e0104e4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Pay it Forward...  It's a really neat idea.  8-))
A good start for the new year indeed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay_it_forward
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0223897/plotsummary

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, January 10, 2009 1:29 pm, Dave Croft wrote:
> On the 15 December 2001 I suffered severe brain damage after being knocked off my
> bicycle.
> Engine friends on both lists, (74 of you) subscribed to a fund for me to help while
> I recovered.
> Once I was recovered many months later I re-instated the fund and saved it in a
> separate account.
> A couple of years ago, Bob Bolhuis in Canada was knocked off his motorcycle &
> suffered similar
> brain injuries to those I had suffered. We commiserated with each other over the
> problems &
> I passed on the fund to Bob who was unable to work. (I advised the lists).
> Bob rang me tonight and he told me that he had been back at work for about a year.
> A female friend of his who was a teacher of handicapped children has suffered
> similar brain damage
> & is having financial problems so Bob has passed on the full amount!!
> It is nice to see your generosity of 7 years ago still giving help to unfortunate
> people.
> A good start to the New Year.




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From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sat Jan 10 13:41:05 2009
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:41:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Good deeds are carried on!!
References: <005f01c97351$702e2f70$3a290556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <002701c9736c$27824200$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Well done by all involved parties.  "No act of kindness, no matter how 
small, goes unnoticed".   George F. Armstrong
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "atis" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:29 PM
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Good deeds are carried on!!


> On the 15 December 2001 I suffered severe brain damage after being knocked 
> off my bicycle.
> Engine friends on both lists, (74 of you) subscribed to a fund for me to 
> help while I recovered.
> Once I was recovered many months later I re-instated the fund and saved it 
> in a separate account.
> A couple of years ago, Bob Bolhuis in Canada was knocked off his 
> motorcycle & suffered similar
> brain injuries to those I had suffered. We commiserated with each other 
> over the problems &
> I passed on the fund to Bob who was unable to work. (I advised the lists).
> Bob rang me tonight and he told me that he had been back at work for about 
> a year.
> A female friend of his who was a teacher of handicapped children has 
> suffered similar brain damage
> & is having financial problems so Bob has passed on the full amount!!
> It is nice to see your generosity of 7 years ago still giving help to 
> unfortunate people.
> A good start to the New Year.
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 10 20:26:09 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:26:09 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Harry Terpstra E-mail address
Message-ID: <667B2D689A844D71A885559C739F5AC7@PAUL>

Can someone send me Harry's e-mail address? I probably misspelled his last name but I should be close.

Thanks,

Paul


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 10 20:51:03 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:51:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Need Harry Terpstra E-mail address
In-Reply-To: <667B2D689A844D71A885559C739F5AC7@PAUL>
References: <667B2D689A844D71A885559C739F5AC7@PAUL>
Message-ID: <5c5bd6f6981bfc1d5e5bb8a8d01fdf68.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Try...  "Harry Terpstra" <h.terpstra at wxs.nl>

On Sat, January 10, 2009 11:26 pm, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Can someone send me Harry's e-mail address? I probably misspelled his last name but




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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jan 10 23:14:05 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:14:05 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
Message-ID: <69EF34067F2846778684D137C86ACAE3@PML>

Hi everyone. The bad news for all of you is that I am back after our 5 week
jaunt around the world. We had an amazing time and saw the sights (and took
over 2700 photos). 
The big news is that we are now engaged (pause for comments) after asking
Ann to marry me in Times Square on New Years Eve (where the temperature was
-8c not including the wind chill).
I did not get to see much to do with engines although we did get to the
Science Museum in London, the National Rail Museum in York & saw lots of
cool things in San Francisco. We had many generous offers of places to stay
and collections to see but unfortunately did not have time on this trip to
see everyone. 
Many thanks to Rob & Kelly for giving us a place to stay while we attempted
every ride at the amusement parks of LA.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Jan 10 23:17:41 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:17:41 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Texas Engine Auction
Message-ID: <45310E952FC14A5A9A28F0B4B9122D07@peterlowe>

Hi Guys

Anyone going to this sale?

http://nixonauctioneers.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49&>%20Itemid=58

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm

From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 00:49:51 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:49:51 +0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
In-Reply-To: <69EF34067F2846778684D137C86ACAE3@PML>
References: <69EF34067F2846778684D137C86ACAE3@PML>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901110049k73a92d70n245ab800efb2dcfd@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/01/2009, Patrick M Livingstone <pml1 at bigpond.net.au> wrote:

> The big news is that we are now engaged (pause for comments) after asking
> Ann to marry me in Times Square on New Years Eve (where the temperature was
> -8c not including the wind chill).

Many congratulations to you both!

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jan 11 02:15:29 2009
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:15:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
References: <69EF34067F2846778684D137C86ACAE3@PML>
Message-ID: <ABD2EEFDD105460EAFA9A052B8BF4400@Edd>

WELCOME HOME MATES AND CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:14 PM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!


> Hi everyone. The bad news for all of you is that I am back after our 5 
> week
> jaunt around the world. We had an amazing time and saw the sights (and 
> took
> over 2700 photos).
> The big news is that we are now engaged (pause for comments) after asking
> Ann to marry me in Times Square on New Years Eve (where the temperature 
> was
> -8c not including the wind chill).
> I did not get to see much to do with engines although we did get to the
> Science Museum in London, the National Rail Museum in York & saw lots of
> cool things in San Francisco. We had many generous offers of places to 
> stay
> and collections to see but unfortunately did not have time on this trip to
> see everyone.
> Many thanks to Rob & Kelly for giving us a place to stay while we 
> attempted
> every ride at the amusement parks of LA.
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
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> SEL mailing list
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From brock at netspeed.com.au  Sun Jan 11 04:31:10 2009
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:31:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
Message-ID: <4969e68e.3e1.7da8.916419833@netspeed.com.au>

Thats awsome news mate congrats mate
regards Brock
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>, "Stationary Engine
Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:14:05 +1100

> Hi everyone. The bad news for all of you is that I am back
> after our 5 week jaunt around the world. We had an amazing
> time and saw the sights (and took over 2700 photos). 
> The big news is that we are now engaged (pause for
> comments) after asking Ann to marry me in Times Square on
> New Years Eve (where the temperature was -8c not including
> the wind chill). I did not get to see much to do with
> engines although we did get to the Science Museum in
> London, the National Rail Museum in York & saw lots of
> cool things in San Francisco. We had many generous offers
> of places to stay and collections to see but unfortunately
> did not have time on this trip to see everyone. 
> Many thanks to Rob & Kelly for giving us a place to stay
> while we attempted every ride at the amusement parks of
> LA.
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jan 11 05:28:21 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:28:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Texas Engine Auction
References: <45310E952FC14A5A9A28F0B4B9122D07@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <193817F24D65422EA730D6673D8A780B@tommydk7hxjr4h>

That would be great auction to attend Peter.   I might try to go out of 
curiosity more than anything else as the piggy bank doesn't have a lot in it 
right now.  If I'm not mistaken, the big Fairbanks tractor that will be sold 
used to be here in KY near me.  It came from Shelbyville and it and a couple 
of large IH gas tractors spent their life on a large farm there.  I could 
have purchased it in the 80's for $7500.  Way too much I thought.  We'll see 
how far off my thoughts were when the sale is held in March.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine.org" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:17 AM
Subject: [SEL] Texas Engine Auction


> Hi Guys
>
> Anyone going to this sale?
>
> http://nixonauctioneers.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49&>%20Itemid=58
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jan 11 06:18:05 2009
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:18:05 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
References: <4969e68e.3e1.7da8.916419833@netspeed.com.au>
Message-ID: <970FE85177984A4896190CA1C3A001C6@Edd>

What are you doing out of the fart sack this time of nite.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <brock at netspeed.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!


> Thats awsome news mate congrats mate
> regards Brock
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List"
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>, "Stationary Engine
> Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:14:05 +1100
> 
>> Hi everyone. The bad news for all of you is that I am back
>> after our 5 week jaunt around the world. We had an amazing
>> time and saw the sights (and took over 2700 photos). 
>> The big news is that we are now engaged (pause for
>> comments) after asking Ann to marry me in Times Square on
>> New Years Eve (where the temperature was -8c not including
>> the wind chill). I did not get to see much to do with
>> engines although we did get to the Science Museum in
>> London, the National Rail Museum in York & saw lots of
>> cool things in San Francisco. We had many generous offers
>> of places to stay and collections to see but unfortunately
>> did not have time on this trip to see everyone. 
>> Many thanks to Rob & Kelly for giving us a place to stay
>> while we attempted every ride at the amusement parks of
>> LA.
>> 
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
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>



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Jan 11 07:38:38 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 09:38:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
In-Reply-To: <69EF34067F2846778684D137C86ACAE3@PML>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEAGHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Pat:

Okay - now, when are 'ya gonna tie on the ol' ball and chain?

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Patrick M
> Livingstone
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 01:14 AM
> To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary 
> Engine Mailing List
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
> 
> 
> Hi everyone. The bad news for all of you is that 
> I am back after our 5 week
> jaunt around the world. We had an amazing time 
> and saw the sights (and took
> over 2700 photos). 
> The big news is that we are now engaged (pause 
> for comments) after asking
> Ann to marry me in Times Square on New Years Eve 
> (where the temperature was
> -8c not including the wind chill).

............................snip............

> Patrick M Livingstone




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 11 08:40:15 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:40:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Need Harry Terpstra E-mail address
References: <667B2D689A844D71A885559C739F5AC7@PAUL>
	<5c5bd6f6981bfc1d5e5bb8a8d01fdf68.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <183830075805474986AF347067A9E798@PAUL>

Got it guys, many thanks.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Harry Terpstra E-mail address


> Try...  "Harry Terpstra" <h.terpstra at wxs.nl>
>
> On Sat, January 10, 2009 11:26 pm, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>> Can someone send me Harry's e-mail address? I probably misspelled his 
>> last name but
>
>
>
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Jan 11 10:03:35 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:03:35 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Good deeds are carried on!!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1231693202.11730.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090111195808.01f1f330@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 11/01/2009, you wrote:

>From: Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Good deeds are carried on!!
>
>On 10/01/2009, Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > On the 15 December 2001 I suffered severe brain damage after being knocked
> > off my bicycle.
> > Engine friends on both lists, (74 of you) subscribed to a fund for me to
> > help while I recovered.

><Big snip>

> > It is nice to see your generosity of 7 years ago still giving help to
> > unfortunate people.
> > A good start to the New Year.
> > Dave Croft
>
>For more recent members of both lists who were not around in 2001,
>this was a truly International effort, handled by Reg Ingold in Oz,
>Dave Rotigel in the USA and myself in the UK. Within 2 weeks or less
>we had raised a significant amount of cash in three currencies, got it
>converted at no charge (my sister worked at HSBC then) and we were
>able to send Dave a large Xmas food hamper and a very nice cheque for
>him and his family.
>
>A full record was kept of all responses and donations, and I have that
>filed/archived, including the hamper picture :-))
>
>Peter
>--
>Peter A Forbes

Hi Peter (and Dave)
         I was one of those who had not found these fantastic lists yet.
         Congratulations to you all - it just proves what I've always said. 
Engine people are the best there are!!
         God Bless you all.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Jan 11 10:10:59 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:10:59 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  O.T. I'm Back!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1231693202.11730.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090111200508.00c5ae98@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 11/01/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 8
>Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:14:05 +1100
>From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
>
>Hi everyone. The bad news for all of you is that I am back after our 5 week
>jaunt around the world. We had an amazing time and saw the sights (and took
>over 2700 photos).
>The big news is that we are now engaged (pause for comments) after asking
>Ann to marry me in Times Square on New Years Eve (where the temperature was
>-8c not including the wind chill).
>I did not get to see much to do with engines although we did get to the
>Science Museum in London, the National Rail Museum in York & saw lots of
>cool things in San Francisco. We had many generous offers of places to stay
>and collections to see but unfortunately did not have time on this trip to
>see everyone.
>Many thanks to Rob & Kelly for giving us a place to stay while we attempted
>every ride at the amusement parks of LA.
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

Hey Patrick,
         That's not bad news! That's 2 very good news  items.
         Congratulations to You and Ann - "Times Square hey" - that's going 
to be something to tell the grandchildren one day - You romantic dog you!!!
         I wish You and Ann all the luck in the world.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From george at irontrader.com  Sun Jan 11 10:33:43 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (George Best)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:33:43 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Texas Engine Auction
In-Reply-To: <45310E952FC14A5A9A28F0B4B9122D07@peterlowe>
References: <45310E952FC14A5A9A28F0B4B9122D07@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <001b01c9741b$221d14c0$66573e40$@com>

Some real nice stuff in the listing.  Will be interested in seeing some
photos when available.

Unfortunately, I think I've probably spent my engine budget for the year so
I'm sure I won't be buying anything at auction in the foreseeable future.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 11:18 PM
To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Texas Engine Auction

Hi Guys

Anyone going to this sale?

http://nixonauctioneers.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49&
>%20Itemid=58

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
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From oldiron62 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 11:10:44 2009
From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:10:44 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
Message-ID: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM>

Looking for a 13/16 - 20 rht nut.  McMaster dont have one.

Thanks.
Kevin Mosier





From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jan 11 11:28:28 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 11:28:28 -0800
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
Message-ID: <20090111.112828.800.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

That's another unusual size Kevin.  What does it fit?
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:10:44 -0600 <oldiron62 at gmail.com> writes:
> Looking for a 13/16 - 20 rht nut.  McMaster dont have one.
> 
> Thanks.
> Kevin Mosier
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jan 11 12:02:31 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:02:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
References: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM>
Message-ID: <FA0CA30473274E2886BCFE59C1ED038F@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Kevin
    That will be a tough one to find.  If you have to make one, here's a tap 
you can buy.  I almost purchased this a couple of weeks ago for a project I 
was doing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250252980931&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=

Tommy Turner



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <oldiron62 at gmail.com>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Cc: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:10 PM
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut


> Looking for a 13/16 - 20 rht nut.  McMaster dont have one.
>
> Thanks.
> Kevin Mosier
>
>
>
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From oldiron62 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 12:30:32 2009
From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:30:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
References: <20090111.112828.800.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <8A37A03F496442B7AFC1C35312BB2A17@FAMILYROOM>

This is for a steering wheel on IH 350 U. The power steering unit came off a 
460U tractor
I have not tried Case IH yet
Thanks.
 Kevin
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut


> That's another unusual size Kevin.  What does it fit?
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
>
> On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:10:44 -0600 <oldiron62 at gmail.com> writes:
>> Looking for a 13/16 - 20 rht nut.  McMaster dont have one.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Kevin Mosier
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Sun Jan 11 13:01:24 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:01:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
References: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM>
	<FA0CA30473274E2886BCFE59C1ED038F@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <01db01c9742f$c36b64d0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

http://www.marinersdirect.com/highway/details.php?ITEM=5711813

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut


> Kevin
>    That will be a tough one to find.  If you have to make one, here's a 
> tap
> you can buy.  I almost purchased this a couple of weeks ago for a project 
> I
> was doing.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250252980931&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=
>
> Tommy Turner
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <oldiron62 at gmail.com>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Cc: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:10 PM
> Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
>
>
>> Looking for a 13/16 - 20 rht nut.  McMaster dont have one.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Kevin Mosier
>>
>>
>>
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From milo at hughes.net  Sun Jan 11 13:07:08 2009
From: milo at hughes.net (milo at hughes.net)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:07:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
In-Reply-To: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM>
References: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM>
Message-ID: <20A4C129EACF4E42A7130F4ABB3F8970@GALMIWHOLROYDMH>

Maybe this will do
http://www.google.com/products?q=13/16-20+nut&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US
:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&resnum
=4&ct=title

Peace
Milo

>-----Original Message-----
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>bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of oldiron62 at gmail.com
>Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:11 PM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
>
>Looking for a 13/16 - 20 rht nut.  McMaster dont have one.
>
>Thanks.
>Kevin Mosier
>
>
>
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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 11 13:23:51 2009
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:23:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
In-Reply-To: <01db01c9742f$c36b64d0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM>	<FA0CA30473274E2886BCFE59C1ED038F@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<01db01c9742f$c36b64d0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <004501c97432$e67b0ae0$b37120a0$@net>

Hmmmmmm; apparently a trailer axle nut; might check a local trailer dealer
Kevin.

Lew

-----Original Message-----
http://www.marinersdirect.com/highway/details.php?ITEM=5711813

Rick



From oldiron62 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 13:47:42 2009
From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:47:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
References: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM>
	<FA0CA30473274E2886BCFE59C1ED038F@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <CD788DB779D04F7F9BCC9ED94D6E9E7D@FAMILYROOM>

Tommy, That would be a good deal. If it was for steel, that one is for 
brass.  Now that I know they are used on a lot of Ford frontends, I think 
one can be bought at the NAPA.
Thanks yall !

Kevin
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut


> Kevin
>    That will be a tough one to find.  If you have to make one, here's a 
> tap
> you can buy.  I almost purchased this a couple of weeks ago for a project 
> I
> was doing.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250252980931&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=
>
> Tommy Turner
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <oldiron62 at gmail.com>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Cc: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:10 PM
> Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
>
>
>> Looking for a 13/16 - 20 rht nut.  McMaster dont have one.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Kevin Mosier
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
>
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>
>
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From falcon at telenet.net  Sun Jan 11 14:02:46 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:02:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
In-Reply-To: <69EF34067F2846778684D137C86ACAE3@PML>
References: <69EF34067F2846778684D137C86ACAE3@PML>
Message-ID: <496A6C86.2010903@telenet.net>

Patrick M Livingstone wrote:
> Hi everyone. The bad news for all of you is that I am back after our 5 week
> jaunt around the world. We had an amazing time and saw the sights (and took
> over 2700 photos). 

Welcome back. Sounds like it was a mostly fun trip.

> The big news is that we are now engaged (pause for comments) after asking
> Ann to marry me in Times Square on New Years Eve (where the temperature was
> -8c not including the wind chill).

My condolences on your engagement. You had to go and screw up a nice
trip didn't you....:-)


> I did not get to see much to do with engines although we did get to the
> Science Museum in London, the National Rail Museum in York & saw lots of
> cool things in San Francisco. We had many generous offers of places to stay
> and collections to see but unfortunately did not have time on this trip to
> see everyone. 
> Many thanks to Rob & Kelly for giving us a place to stay while we attempted
> every ride at the amusement parks of LA.
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York


From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jan 11 14:03:32 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:03:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
References: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM><FA0CA30473274E2886BCFE59C1ED038F@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<CD788DB779D04F7F9BCC9ED94D6E9E7D@FAMILYROOM>
Message-ID: <154902EE459F4950B6590AACEB8CA879@tommydk7hxjr4h>

I think it would work for steel.  The difference is the number of flutes I 
think (some of our machinists can weigh in).  If it works out to be a 
spindle nut, you should be able to get it for 50 cents.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <oldiron62 at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut


> Tommy, That would be a good deal. If it was for steel, that one is for
> brass.  Now that I know they are used on a lot of Ford frontends, I think
> one can be bought at the NAPA.
> Thanks yall !
>
> Kevin
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
>
>
>> Kevin
>>    That will be a tough one to find.  If you have to make one, here's a
>> tap
>> you can buy.  I almost purchased this a couple of weeks ago for a project
>> I
>> was doing.
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250252980931&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <oldiron62 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Cc: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:10 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
>>
>>
>>> Looking for a 13/16 - 20 rht nut.  McMaster dont have one.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Kevin Mosier
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Sun Jan 11 17:37:57 2009
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:37:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
Message-ID: <83681.3089.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Congratulations, Patrick

Times Square...NYE... you smooth operator, but I'll reckon you had it in mind to pop the question even before leaving Oz. Were you nervous and thinking about it all the way over? but....you haven't told us what she said. ;-)

Graham in Melb.



 

 


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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jan 11 18:04:02 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:04:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
In-Reply-To: <69EF34067F2846778684D137C86ACAE3@PML>
References: <69EF34067F2846778684D137C86ACAE3@PML>
Message-ID: <55193e4fd2eef75b86b41801c08e2167.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

BRILLIANT news Patrick!!  When will the two of you tie the knot?

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, January 11, 2009 2:14 am, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:
> The big news is that we are now engaged (pause for comments) after asking
> Ann to marry me in Times Square on New Years Eve (where the temperature was
> -8c not including the wind chill).




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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 11 20:08:48 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:08:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Harry Terpstra
Message-ID: <27AE1CCB8F3046F89C963C9229872C88@PAUL>

Has anyone heard from Harry lately? I need to get hold of him and so far he has not answered my e-mail. I hope he is not sick.

Reg had originally told me that Harry had passed away but notified me tonight that it was not Harry that passed away but his Dad which I knew about.

Paul


From george at irontrader.com  Sun Jan 11 20:55:57 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (George Best)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:55:57 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Harry Terpstra
In-Reply-To: <27AE1CCB8F3046F89C963C9229872C88@PAUL>
References: <27AE1CCB8F3046F89C963C9229872C88@PAUL>
Message-ID: <000501c97472$0ec90a80$2c5b1f80$@com>

Paul,

I get emails from Harry almost daily, including today.  So he's very much
alive.

Plus we're planning a engine tour the end of May and first week in June.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 8:09 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Harry Terpstra

Has anyone heard from Harry lately? I need to get hold of him and so far he
has not answered my e-mail. I hope he is not sick.

Reg had originally told me that Harry had passed away but notified me
tonight that it was not Harry that passed away but his Dad which I knew
about.

Paul
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From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 12 04:22:43 2009
From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:22:43 +0000
Subject: [SEL] American National ?
Message-ID: <BAY121-W80383FDEDC001E1102B0DD0D80@phx.gbl>


Interested in what you guys think of this engine..: 120361957250  here on ebay UK.  It is a rebadged engine,I think an American 'National'? Very pricey and probably should be low tension.Sorry don't know how to get the link 'direct'  Thanks John
_________________________________________________________________
Choose the perfect PC or mobile phone for you
http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/

From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jan 12 05:05:51 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 08:05:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] American National ?
In-Reply-To: <BAY121-W80383FDEDC001E1102B0DD0D80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <326443B07C484C1FA34779F17CF1589D@tommyd0x52gkco>


Not sure John.  It doesn't look familiar.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of john
palmer
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:23 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] American National ?


Interested in what you guys think of this engine..: 120361957250  here
on ebay UK.  It is a rebadged engine,I think an American 'National'?
Very pricey and probably should be low tension.Sorry don't know how to
get the link 'direct'  Thanks John
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Jan 12 05:11:29 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:11:29 -0000
Subject: [SEL] American National ?
References: <BAY121-W80383FDEDC001E1102B0DD0D80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000d01c974b7$495a6d70$3a290556@intrepid>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "john palmer" <ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] American National ?


>
> Interested in what you guys think of this engine..: 120361957250  here on ebay UK.  It is a rebadged engine,I think an American 
> 'National'? Very pricey and probably should be low tension.Sorry don't know how to get the link 'direct'  Thanks John

Hi John, just go to the site and copy the address.
Then just add this to your message.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120361957250
It makes life a lot easier for the viewers, just click and you are there.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 12 09:38:53 2009
From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:38:53 +0000
Subject: [SEL] USA 'National'
Message-ID: <BAY121-W36B095E092200FD09D44B6D0D80@phx.gbl>


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120361957250Hope this works,thanks Dave.
_________________________________________________________________
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From oldiron62 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 18:26:08 2009
From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:26:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
References: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM><FA0CA30473274E2886BCFE59C1ED038F@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<01db01c9742f$c36b64d0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <DCC1A665D1104D9EBF9CD32557B2ADD1@FAMILYROOM>

Thanks again everyone, I picked one up today at Oriley auto parts store. Had 
to buy a kit, still less than 5 bucks. Not as hard to come by as I expected 
when yall made me aware of what else used that nut. Trailer axles, some 
older Ford spindles and ?? What I was worried about was the fact that 
McMaster Carr did not have it or Fastenal either.

Kevin Mosier
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tod Engine Foundation" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut


> http://www.marinersdirect.com/highway/details.php?ITEM=5711813
>
> Rick
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
>
>
>> Kevin
>>    That will be a tough one to find.  If you have to make one, here's a
>> tap
>> you can buy.  I almost purchased this a couple of weeks ago for a project
>> I
>> was doing.
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250252980931&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <oldiron62 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Cc: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:10 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
>>
>>
>>> Looking for a 13/16 - 20 rht nut.  McMaster dont have one.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Kevin Mosier
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
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>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
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>> 1/10/2009
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jan 12 19:37:55 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:37:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
In-Reply-To: <DCC1A665D1104D9EBF9CD32557B2ADD1@FAMILYROOM>
References: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM><FA0CA30473274E2886BCFE59C1ED038F@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<01db01c9742f$c36b64d0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<DCC1A665D1104D9EBF9CD32557B2ADD1@FAMILYROOM>
Message-ID: <ae043fdac66fc88e72611c94991c7e30.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Kevin,

Man, yer killin' us here...  What are YOU gonna use this "odd nut" for???

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, January 12, 2009 9:26 pm, oldiron62 at gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks again everyone, I picked one up today at Oriley auto parts store. Had
> to buy a kit, still less than 5 bucks. Not as hard to come by as I expected
> when yall made me aware of what else used that nut. Trailer axles, some
> older Ford spindles and ?? What I was worried about was the fact that
> McMaster Carr did not have it or Fastenal either.




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From oldiron62 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 20:22:16 2009
From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:22:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
References: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM><FA0CA30473274E2886BCFE59C1ED038F@tommydk7hxjr4h><01db01c9742f$c36b64d0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><DCC1A665D1104D9EBF9CD32557B2ADD1@FAMILYROOM>
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Hey take it easy !    It holds the steering wheel on a 1956 IHC 350 utility 
tractor that I been in the process of adding power steering to for about a 
year :-)  The power st unit come off a IH 460 utility tractor that had been 
converted into a puller.
Seems like everything on this tractor needs something or another fixed along 
with the factory priority valve just being hard to find.  Then somewhere I 
was told the 460 unit will not work at all on this tractor even though it is 
a bolt in replacement.  Something about not being ported for a flow valve, 
as a 460 has a separate pump for steering.  And the 350 just uses priority 
flow valve giving the first 3 galons per minute hyd oil to steering. I think 
everything is in order to find out soon as I get a chance to replace the 
junk wiring.
Thanks again everyone.

Kevin Mosier




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Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut


> Kevin,
>
> Man, yer killin' us here...  What are YOU gonna use this "odd nut" for???
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Mon, January 12, 2009 9:26 pm, oldiron62 at gmail.com wrote:
>> Thanks again everyone, I picked one up today at Oriley auto parts store. 
>> Had
>> to buy a kit, still less than 5 bucks. Not as hard to come by as I 
>> expected
>> when yall made me aware of what else used that nut. Trailer axles, some
>> older Ford spindles and ?? What I was worried about was the fact that
>> McMaster Carr did not have it or Fastenal either.
>
>
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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 12 21:27:20 2009
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:27:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 13/16 - 20 nut
In-Reply-To: <DCC1A665D1104D9EBF9CD32557B2ADD1@FAMILYROOM>
References: <323063D63E2F400BA3ABDC6377D30210@FAMILYROOM><FA0CA30473274E2886BCFE59C1ED038F@tommydk7hxjr4h>	<01db01c9742f$c36b64d0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<DCC1A665D1104D9EBF9CD32557B2ADD1@FAMILYROOM>
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Hey Kevin 

Glad you found one; worth committing to memory where to look for odd size
fine thread nuts!

Lew 

-----Original Message-----


Thanks again everyone, I picked one up today at Oriley auto parts store. Had

to buy a kit, still less than 5 bucks. Not as hard to come by as I expected 
when yall made me aware of what else used that nut. Trailer axles, some 
older Ford spindles and ?? What I was worried about was the fact that 
McMaster Carr did not have it or Fastenal either.

Kevin Mosier



From page at velocitynet.com.au  Mon Jan 12 23:39:23 2009
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:39:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!
In-Reply-To: <69EF34067F2846778684D137C86ACAE3@PML>
Message-ID: <001901c97552$0e52b840$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Hi Patrick
Congratulations on your engagement.  Hope you don't mind but we passed the
info on to Bob and Jean McDonald.

Ron 

Canberra

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Sent: Sunday, 11 January 2009 6:14 PM
To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List
Subject: [SEL] O.T. I'm Back!

Hi everyone. The bad news for all of you is that I am back after our 5 week
jaunt around the world. We had an amazing time and saw the sights (and took
over 2700 photos). 
The big news is that we are now engaged (pause for comments) after asking
Ann to marry me in Times Square on New Years Eve (where the temperature was
-8c not including the wind chill).
I did not get to see much to do with engines although we did get to the
Science Museum in London, the National Rail Museum in York & saw lots of
cool things in San Francisco. We had many generous offers of places to stay
and collections to see but unfortunately did not have time on this trip to
see everyone. 
Many thanks to Rob & Kelly for giving us a place to stay while we attempted
every ride at the amusement parks of LA.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 13 00:12:56 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:12:56 -0000
Subject: [SEL] American National ?
References: <BAY121-W80383FDEDC001E1102B0DD0D80@phx.gbl>
	<000d01c974b7$495a6d70$3a290556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <002601c97556$bece05e0$3a290556@intrepid>

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "john palmer" <ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:22 PM
> Subject: [SEL] American National ?
>>
>> Interested in what you guys think of this engine..: 120361957250  here on ebay UK.  It is a rebadged engine,I think an American 
>> 'National'? Very pricey and probably should be low tension.Sorry don't know how to get the link 'direct'  Thanks John
> 
> Hi John, just go to the site and copy the address.
> Then just add this to your message.
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120361957250
> It makes life a lot easier for the viewers, just click and you are there.
> Dave Croft

Hi John, I put this question on  uk.rec.engines.stationary group &  Charles Hamilton replied

 Looks like Merv Cloake from N.Z. has solved Your query Dave. 
According to him it's a 2hp " New Model" made by the National Eng. Co. Saginaw, Michigan.
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1063196464039146533FECgXy

Merv Cloakes post is at
http://www.stationaryengine.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=50699

Dave Croft
Warrington
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http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Jan 13 03:41:50 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:41:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] American National ?
In-Reply-To: <002601c97556$bece05e0$3a290556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <0227FC4323744B90BC5F3AD5CF953EA2@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Dave,
	I've had a few of the Nationals and the one on ebay is a bit
different than the ones I've had (they have all been one flywheelers)
but is certainly very similar to the one in the photos.  Perhaps mine
have been the "Old Style" vs. the "New Style" as this engine is
described.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




Hi John, I put this question on  uk.rec.engines.stationary group &
Charles Hamilton replied

 Looks like Merv Cloake from N.Z. has solved Your query Dave. 
According to him it's a 2hp " New Model" made by the National Eng. Co.
Saginaw, Michigan.
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1063196464039146533FECgXy

Merv Cloakes post is at
http://www.stationaryengine.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=50699

Dave Croft
Warrington
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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 13 08:19:55 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:19:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Piston slap  ????
In-Reply-To: <0227FC4323744B90BC5F3AD5CF953EA2@tommydk7hxjr4h>
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Got a question for you guys.  I'm working on an engine and it has a knock in it and you only hear it when the engine is coasting down really slow but the slower it gets the louder it gets.  The noise is coming from the cylinder and it has been sleeved so that rules out egg shaped cylinder.  Only thing that I can come up with is piston slap but I've taken a piston and rod out of an identical engine here and it does the same thing but the other engine doesn't make the noise and it's pretty irritating noise and is pretty loud.  You can't hear any loud knocking when the engine is running at a decent speed but only when slowed down to under 100 rpm that the noise starts.  Any ideas or suggestions are appreciated
 
Thanks
Tom Winland
Ohio
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From curt at rustyiron.com  Tue Jan 13 09:15:14 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:15:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [SEL] Piston slap  ????
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W53BD80E3264B91C4412469C2D90@phx.gbl>
References: <002601c97556$bece05e0$3a290556@intrepid>
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Tom,
I'd bet what you are hearing is actually the small end of the rod hitting
a boss on the inside of the piston. I've seen this several times and it
gets louder as the engine slows, exactly as you describe. You may have a
worn bushing on either end, or the bushing on the big end is not bored
dead perpendicular to the rod axis, canting the rod slightly.
Can you put a small sheet of rubber or gasket in the gaps on either side
of the rod next to the bosses? Not a permanent fix, but a great way to see
if this is where the sound was coming from.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

>
> Got a question for you guys.  I'm working on an engine and it has a knock
> in it and you only hear it when the engine is coasting down really slow
> but the slower it gets the louder it gets.  The noise is coming from the
> cylinder and it has been sleeved so that rules out egg shaped cylinder.
> Only thing that I can come up with is piston slap but I've taken a piston
> and rod out of an identical engine here and it does the same thing but the
> other engine doesn't make the noise and it's pretty irritating noise and
> is pretty loud.  You can't hear any loud knocking when the engine is
> running at a decent speed but only when slowed down to under 100 rpm that
> the noise starts.  Any ideas or suggestions are appreciated
>
> Thanks
> Tom Winland
> Ohio
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From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Jan 13 09:21:31 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 9:21:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Piston slap  ????
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W53BD80E3264B91C4412469C2D90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090113122131.KGOJQ.2956827.root@mp16>


---- Tom Winland <gasenginetom at hotmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> Got a question for you guys.  I'm working on an engine and it has a knock in it and you only hear it when the engine is coasting down really slow but the slower it gets the louder it gets.  The noise is coming from the cylinder and it has been sleeved so that rules out egg shaped cylinder.  Only thing that I can come up with is piston slap but I've taken a piston and rod out of an identical engine here and it does the same thing but the other engine doesn't make the noise and it's pretty irritating noise and is pretty loud.  You can't hear any loud knocking when the engine is running at a decent speed but only when slowed down to under 100 rpm that the noise starts.  Any ideas or suggestions are appreciated
>  
> Thanks
> Tom Winland
> Ohio
> 
 Watch the rod from the rear of the engine, see if it's moving side to side. I have a 12hp Hercules, the main brg is worn bad, crank is no longer parallel to the cylinder, rod flops back and forth at low speed.
J.B. Castagnos 


From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Jan 13 10:57:04 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:57:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] European Hell On Wheels Tour 2009
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A little over a week ago I posted a message about having another
European engine tour.

This is a small tour group, only 4 people can go with us, as we will
travel around in a 9 passenger van.

I thought we had the group set, but then 2 of the people had to back out
due to various commitments.

So I'm back to looking for 2 more people to take the tour.

To join the tour, you would need to be at Amsterdam on Friday May 29th
by noon.
Sunday June 7th would be the last day of the tour with return flights
scheduled for Monday June 8th.  Of course you can stay longer on your
own, but I've got to return and get back to work!

We'll attend the Nuenen engine show, and then travel around Germany,
Holland, and Belgium to visit private collections and some public
collections.  We try to average a couple collections every day, so you
can expect to see around 20 collections during the 10 days.

A fair estimate of the tour cost would be about $2000, plus whatever
your airfare is.  Note: You don't pay Harry and me the $2000, that's
just an estimate on how much I think a person needs to budget for the
trip.

At the moment, Steve Royster and Larry Anger (both SEL members) are the
ones going with us.

If you're interested let me know.

George


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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jan 13 15:16:21 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:16:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] ESTA: New Entry Requirements for Travel to the United States
Message-ID: <8fd26044eea0e727101da5f4a27f8222.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Folks,

Our corporate travel mavens issued this advisory for our employees in other
countries and for our foreign customers and colleagues.

Since a number of engine folks also travel across the pond to the US, I figured this
would be good info to post here.  These revised rules went into affect on January
12th.

Now there are some Aussie and Kiwi sheep shaggers on the lists (who will remain
nameless) who may have some difficulty with the "Moral Turpitude" questions.

Crimes involving moral turpitude - Such offenses generally involve conduct which is
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and the duties owed to persons or society in general.

8-)))

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From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Tue Jan 13 19:25:06 2009
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:25:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
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>

We leveled the pad before Christmas and today the Amish crew showed up  
and began erection of our new pole barn :-)  It's a 30'X60', 12' side  
walls with a 10'X30' porch.
I had a client who had ordered a pole barn to run their dog grooming/ 
pet supply business out of. The barn package was delivered to their  
site but before they could get it erected their plans changed and the  
parts sat in piles.
I contacted them and was able to purchase all the parts for a fraction  
of new.  We spent a couple of Saturdays hauling all the parts home and  
have been making arrangements for erection.  With any luck it should  
be done by the end of the week.
We've long since outgrown our existing barns and had some stuff  
sitting under blue tarps outside.  We're looking forward to filling it  
up and making room in our shop barn so we aren't tripping over "junk"  
all the time.
Keith


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From ozengine at yahoo.com.au  Tue Jan 13 19:55:25 2009
From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:55:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Piston slap  ????
Message-ID: <553466.12377.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Gday Tom

I've noticed a similiar problem on my Sundial 4HP, an Oz built horizontal engine, closed crankcase, 5" bore, thrott gov. All bearings tight (i.e. good) and no slop in a good bore, and fresh rings. As it coasts to a stop (use the magneto stop button) I get a audible knock from the crankcase at < 100RPM till it stops and a small fore-aft rocking. The knock is not coming from anywhere on the transporter.

Interested to hear suggestions you get, wondering maybe if being a throttle governed engine, and the butterfly almost closed, the (very good) compression could be doing it? Sounds just like a loose big end or gudgeon, but not in my case. It is really weird. What make is your engine?


Graham in Oz



Got a question for you guys.  I'm working on an engine and it has a knock in it and you only hear it when the engine is coasting down really slow but the slower it gets the louder it gets.  The noise is coming from the cylinder and it has been sleeved so that rules out egg shaped cylinder.  Only thing that I can come up with is piston slap but I've taken a piston and rod out of an identical engine here and it does the same thing but the other engine doesn't make the noise and it's pretty irritating noise and is pretty loud.  You can't hear any loud knocking when the engine is running at a decent speed but only when slowed down to under 100 rpm that the noise starts.  Any ideas or suggestions are appreciated

Thanks
Tom Winland
Ohio



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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 13 20:25:40 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:25:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Piston slap  ????
In-Reply-To: <553466.12377.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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working on 4HP IH Famous hit and  miss> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:55:25 -0800> From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston slap ????> > Gday Tom> > I've noticed a similiar problem on my Sundial 4HP, an Oz built horizontal engine, closed crankcase, 5" bore, thrott gov. All bearings tight (i.e. good) and no slop in a good bore, and fresh rings. As it coasts to a stop (use the magneto stop button) I get a audible knock from the crankcase at < 100RPM till it stops and a small fore-aft rocking. The knock is not coming from anywhere on the transporter.> > Interested to hear suggestions you get, wondering maybe if being a throttle governed engine, and the butterfly almost closed, the (very good) compression could be doing it? Sounds just like a loose big end or gudgeon, but not in my case. It is really weird. What make is your engine?> > > Graham in Oz> > > > Got a question for you guys. I'm working on an engine and it has a knock in it and you only hear it when the engine is coasting down really slow but the slower it gets the louder it gets. The noise is coming from the cylinder and it has been sleeved so that rules out egg shaped cylinder. Only thing that I can come up with is piston slap but I've taken a piston and rod out of an identical engine here and it does the same thing but the other engine doesn't make the noise and it's pretty irritating noise and is pretty loud. You can't hear any loud knocking when the engine is running at a decent speed but only when slowed down to under 100 rpm that the noise starts. Any ideas or suggestions are appreciated> > Thanks> Tom Winland> Ohio> > > > Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From GRookus2 at comcast.net  Tue Jan 13 23:42:19 2009
From: GRookus2 at comcast.net (Gary Rookus)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:42:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] blue tarps
Message-ID: <57869ED8FD044D58B78070DD212109A7@gary>

keith; sounds like you the ideal setup. only wish i had the room for something like that.best of luck with your project,my barn is way to full of stuff to.problem is i dont have room for more buildings.

From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Jan 14 01:50:33 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:50:33 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT Thanks
Message-ID: <114ABFEA1AE2491F8F852EFBB36210B6@PML>

Many thanks to those who have sent notes of congratulations and
commiserations both on and off list. It is much appreciated to receive such
kind words from my extended family of engine collectors.
I am sorry I have not had a chance to respond to you all individually but I
am already back at work and our puppy, Petra, has been very, very ill since
we got home. She is improving but is still at the vetinary hospital. We are
hoping she may be home on the weekend.
All the best,
Patrick & Ann

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From k_armstrong at arach.net.au  Wed Jan 14 02:48:41 2009
From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:48:41 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Piston slap  ????
References: <20090113122131.KGOJQ.2956827.root@mp16>
Message-ID: <10F6E79A230641C9875321B7B7491D45@armstrong>

JBC,

If you know your engine to stuffed fix it, so you can say you have restored 
the engine to the high standard expected of a member of the old engine 
organization.

regards

Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member
V.C.C. of WA. member
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:21 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston slap ????


>
> ---- Tom Winland <gasenginetom at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Got a question for you guys.  I'm working on an engine and it has a knock 
>> in it and you only hear it when the engine is coasting down really slow 
>> but the slower it gets the louder it gets.  The noise is coming from the 
>> cylinder and it has been sleeved so that rules out egg shaped cylinder. 
>> Only thing that I can come up with is piston slap but I've taken a piston 
>> and rod out of an identical engine here and it does the same thing but 
>> the other engine doesn't make the noise and it's pretty irritating noise 
>> and is pretty loud.  You can't hear any loud knocking when the engine is 
>> running at a decent speed but only when slowed down to under 100 rpm that 
>> the noise starts.  Any ideas or suggestions are appreciated
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tom Winland
>> Ohio
>>
> Watch the rod from the rear of the engine, see if it's moving side to 
> side. I have a 12hp Hercules, the main brg is worn bad, crank is no longer 
> parallel to the cylinder, rod flops back and forth at low speed.
> J.B. Castagnos
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Jan 14 02:52:04 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:52:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Science Museum Pics
Message-ID: <726EC65D48E1477FAFB859F367CE658B@PML>

Some pictures I took on our visit to the London Science Museum at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lsm/index.htm

Enjoy!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jan 14 08:13:06 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:13:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEECEHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Keith:

Now that you're gonna have a lot more space, it just means that you'll get a lot more junk........er.......fine antique engines to take up all the available space.

I predict that within a year or so, you'll be just as crowded as you are now, blue tarps and all.

Take care - Elden  :-)
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Keith
> Kinney
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 09:25 PM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Cc: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
 
.................................snip.................................

> We're looking 
> forward to filling it  
> up and making room in our shop barn so we aren't 
> tripping over "junk"  
> all the time.
> Keith
> 
> 
> Keith Kinney
> kkinney at herculesengines.com
> WWW.HerculesEngines.com




From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jan 14 08:17:55 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:17:55 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Piston slap  ????
In-Reply-To: <553466.12377.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIECEHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

I've experienced the same oddball knock at cranking speed and found that it was caused by (as someone else has said) the little end of the rod clacking against one of the wrist pin bosses as the rod moved slithtly side to side.

In my case, it was on the little engine I recently built and I traced the problem to a very small misalignment of the rod journal on the crankshaft.  I fixed the problem by moving the crankshaft slightly so as to give a little more side clearance on one side of the little end of the rod.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Graham
> Harris
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 09:55 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston slap ????
> 
> 
> Gday Tom
> 
> I've noticed a similiar problem on my Sundial 
> 4HP, an Oz built horizontal engine, closed 
> crankcase, 5" bore, thrott gov. All bearings 
> tight (i.e. good) and no slop in a good bore, and 
> fresh rings. As it coasts to a stop (use the 
> magneto stop button) I get a audible knock from 
> the crankcase at < 100RPM till it stops and a 
> small fore-aft rocking. The knock is not coming 
> from anywhere on the transporter.
> 
> Interested to hear suggestions you get, wondering 
> maybe if being a throttle governed engine, and 
> the butterfly almost closed, the (very good) 
> compression could be doing it? Sounds just like a 
> loose big end or gudgeon, but not in my case. It 
> is really weird. What make is your engine?
> 
> 
> Graham in Oz
> 
> 
> 
> Got a question for you guys.  I'm working on an 
> engine and it has a knock in it and you only hear 
> it when the engine is coasting down really slow 
> but the slower it gets the louder it gets.  The 
> noise is coming from the cylinder and it has been 
> sleeved so that rules out egg shaped cylinder.  
> Only thing that I can come up with is piston slap 
> but I've taken a piston and rod out of an 
> identical engine here and it does the same thing 
> but the other engine doesn't make the noise and 
> it's pretty irritating noise and is pretty loud.  
> You can't hear any loud knocking when the engine 
> is running at a decent speed but only when slowed 
> down to under 100 rpm that the noise starts.  Any 
> ideas or suggestions are appreciated
> 
> Thanks
> Tom Winland
> Ohio
> 
> 
> 
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From ashpow at westnet.com.au  Wed Jan 14 12:11:21 2009
From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (Ash Powell)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:11:21 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue 2 1/4 wont start
Message-ID: <F847738C429747829105A02A5C13699B@MINIBEAST>

Hey all

I've almost finished my MV, unfortunately it wont start..
The timing is right, compression seems good, there is spark - it just wont start... ;p(

How fast do I need to spin it to start?
Can the timing be out 180 degrees?

What else should I be looking for?

Any help appreciated!

Thanks
Ash

From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Wed Jan 14 12:36:37 2009
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:36:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue 2 1/4 wont start
References: <F847738C429747829105A02A5C13699B@MINIBEAST>
Message-ID: <001301c97687$cca9ea80$0201010a@JBCooper>

Hi Ash,
There are two positions to connect the magneto. The coupling is a slotted 
fitting and you may have it 180 degrees out. Take out the plug and check if 
the points are opening at the top or the bottom of the stroke.
Good luck,
John,
Bega NSW.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ash Powell" <ashpow at westnet.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:11 AM
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue 2 1/4 wont start


>
> Hey all
>
> I've almost finished my MV, unfortunately it wont start..
> The timing is right, compression seems good, there is spark - it just wont 
> start... ;p(
>
> How fast do I need to spin it to start?
> Can the timing be out 180 degrees?
>
> What else should I be looking for?
>
> Any help appreciated!
>
> Thanks
> Ash
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Jan 14 14:03:37 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:03:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue 2 1/4 wont start
In-Reply-To: <001301c97687$cca9ea80$0201010a@JBCooper>
References: <F847738C429747829105A02A5C13699B@MINIBEAST>
	<001301c97687$cca9ea80$0201010a@JBCooper>
Message-ID: <20090114220332.0AAD91DCE4C@gex-cn03.gex.ncable.net.au>

Ash is your fuel getting up to the carby. I remember my first moffat 
was missing it's stop ball in the bottom of the fuel tube?? You could 
put a few drops of petrol in the spark plug hole to see if it fires also.
  You should not have to spin it very fast for it to fire up.

At 07:36 AM 15/01/2009, you wrote:
>Hi Ash,
>There are two positions to connect the magneto. The coupling is a slotted
>fitting and you may have it 180 degrees out. Take out the plug and check if
>the points are opening at the top or the bottom of the stroke.
>Good luck,
>John,
>Bega NSW.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ash Powell" <ashpow at westnet.com.au>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:11 AM
>Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue 2 1/4 wont start
>
>
> >
> > Hey all
> >
> > I've almost finished my MV, unfortunately it wont start..
> > The timing is right, compression seems good, there is spark - it just wont
> > start... ;p(
> >
> > How fast do I need to spin it to start?
> > Can the timing be out 180 degrees?
> >
> > What else should I be looking for?
> >
> > Any help appreciated!
> >
> > Thanks
> > Ash
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From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Wed Jan 14 16:35:23 2009
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:35:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] blue tarps
In-Reply-To: <57869ED8FD044D58B78070DD212109A7@gary>
References: <57869ED8FD044D58B78070DD212109A7@gary>
Message-ID: <30228F44-CAA4-40FC-9BD2-12CE1DEEDFE1@herculesengines.com>

We're blessed with 22 acres to fill up.  I don't expect we'll be  
adding any more barns but then I thought that was the case when we  
built the last one 14 years ago.
Keith

On Jan 14, 2009, at 1:42 AM, Gary Rookus wrote:

> keith; sounds like you the ideal setup. only wish i had the room for  
> something like that.best of luck with your project,my barn is way to  
> full of stuff to.problem is i dont have room for more buildings.
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From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Wed Jan 14 16:38:41 2009
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:38:41 -0600
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEECEHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEECEHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <B4C3BFA8-0FE7-4ABE-9CB5-E9866F318E66@herculesengines.com>

Elden
I'm afraid the barn will be full without even getting anything else.   
We're going to move stuff around between the barns and hopefully use  
the space more efficiently.
Here are some photo's of the process:
http://s592.photobucket.com/albums/tt1/KeithKinney/New%20Barn%20January%202009/?albumview=slideshow
Today they got all the trusses up, 75% of the roof purlins up and the  
porch trusses up.  I'll try to get some additional photo's tomorrow.
Keith


On Jan 14, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Elden DuRand wrote:

> Keith:
>
> Now that you're gonna have a lot more space, it just means that  
> you'll get a lot more junk........er.......fine antique engines to  
> take up all the available space.
>
> I predict that within a year or so, you'll be just as crowded as you  
> are now, blue tarps and all.
>
> Take care - Elden  :-)
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>> Behalf Of Keith
>> Kinney
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 09:25 PM
>> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>> Cc: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
>
> .................................snip.................................
>
>> We're looking
>> forward to filling it
>> up and making room in our shop barn so we aren't
>> tripping over "junk"
>> all the time.
>> Keith
>>
>>
>> Keith Kinney
>> kkinney at herculesengines.com
>> WWW.HerculesEngines.com
>
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Jan 15 02:55:29 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:55:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Potter_=26_Johnson_Machine_Company?=
Message-ID: <C0A2383E8CD345179019E0F941EDC2E1@peterlowe>

Hi all
Do any of our US friends know anything about the Potter & Johnson Machine Company circa 1917 + or -.
What did they specialize in, mills, crankshaft lathes etc???

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm

From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Jan 15 09:47:05 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:47:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <B4C3BFA8-0FE7-4ABE-9CB5-E9866F318E66@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEDEHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Keith:

There's nothing like having lots of space.....to fill with your very most favorite possessions.

For me, we've moved into a subdivision and I'm presently taking the chance that a committee will show up some day telling me to remove my little single axle cycle trailer from in front of my garage.  That's a LONG way from being in the middle of 17 acres!

I do have a nice shop, though.   :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Keith
> Kinney
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 06:39 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
> 
> 
> Elden
> I'm afraid the barn will be full without even 
> getting anything else.   
> We're going to move stuff around between the 
> barns and hopefully use  
> the space more efficiently.
> Here are some photo's of the process:
> http://s592.photobucket.com/albums/tt1/KeithKinney
> /New%20Barn%20January%202009/?albumview=slideshow
> Today they got all the trusses up, 75% of the 
> roof purlins up and the  
> porch trusses up.  I'll try to get some 
> additional photo's tomorrow.
> Keith
> 
> 
> On Jan 14, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Elden DuRand wrote:
> 
> > Keith:
> >
> > Now that you're gonna have a lot more space, it 
> just means that  
> > you'll get a lot more junk........er.......fine 
> antique engines to  
> > take up all the available space.
> >
> > I predict that within a year or so, you'll be 
> just as crowded as you  
> > are now, blue tarps and all.
> >
> > Take care - Elden  :-)




From andyglines at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 15 13:50:27 2009
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:50:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] blue tarps
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1232038802.21507.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.1.1232038802.21507.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <COL119-W58807726882DE1B3FA136DC7D70@phx.gbl>


You gotta love it when a good deal like that comes along.  I got a really good deal on a 54X60X16 building at an auction this summer.  Putting it up has been a big job but I can already see the Huber still loaded on the trailer parked in the barn with the truck still hooked up (grin). No unloading late at night from me!> 4. Re: blue tarps (Keith Kinney)>> From: Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>> Subject: Re: [SEL] blue tarps> We're blessed with 22 acres to fill up. I don't expect we'll be > adding any more barns but then I thought that was the case when we > built the last one 14 years ago.> Keith> > On Jan 14, 2009, at 1:42 AM, Gary Rookus wrote:> > > keith; sounds like you the ideal setup. only wish i had the room for > > something like that.best of luck with your project,my barn is way to > > full of stuff to.problem is i dont have room for more buildings.> > _______________________________________________
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jan 15 21:10:48 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:10:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Pics from the National Rail Museum, York
Message-ID: <0AAF0F1D2E954849BB886DB7E7BD55EA@PML>

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/nrm08/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From kosh at ncweb.com  Thu Jan 15 22:38:46 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 01:38:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Pics from the National Rail Museum, York
In-Reply-To: <0AAF0F1D2E954849BB886DB7E7BD55EA@PML>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090116013831.041cf4b0@ncweb.com>

Good stuff!

Dave Merchant

At 12:10 AM 1/16/2009, you wrote:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/nrm08/index.htm
>
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
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From gastzt at aol.com  Fri Jan 16 05:50:00 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:50:00 EST
Subject: [SEL] Pics from the National Rail Museum, York
Message-ID: <d68.3a0d0cf4.36a1ea88@aol.com>

incredible pics--and THANKS so much!
Stan Zettner
Old Stovers etc
Pleasanton, Texas
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capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027)


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jan 16 06:13:22 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:13:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Pics from the National Rail Museum, York
In-Reply-To: <0AAF0F1D2E954849BB886DB7E7BD55EA@PML>
References: <0AAF0F1D2E954849BB886DB7E7BD55EA@PML>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS6E08EB854A9B5F2540058BBD40@phx.gbl>

THANKS PATRICK FOR TAKING THE TIME....GREAT MORNING FIX !!!  Especially 
liked the steam stuff.

Regards,
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:10 PM
Subject: [SEL] Pics from the National Rail Museum, York


> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/nrm08/index.htm
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jan 16 12:44:30 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:44:30 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Pics from the National Rail Museum, York
References: <d68.3a0d0cf4.36a1ea88@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1C2C9BDA227747A9908C9F62FB2FF3CF@REG>

I was amazed by the presentation and finish of the exhibits but, moreso by 
the almost total lack of people! Time of year perhaps?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <gastzt at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Pics from the National Rail Museum, York


> incredible pics--and THANKS so much!
> Stan Zettner
> Old Stovers etc
> Pleasanton, Texas
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Jan 16 12:56:42 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:56:42 -0800
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <B4C3BFA8-0FE7-4ABE-9CB5-E9866F318E66@herculesengines.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEECEHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<B4C3BFA8-0FE7-4ABE-9CB5-E9866F318E66@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <b90e9ef79afdf7b7cb8e2ad2d3c1e3f9@dickerson-design.com>

I really wish I'd made mine just a couple feet larger each direction, but I
was pushing the budget - more width, heftier trusses and much more expense.
It's 30 wide by 36 long with an attic/loft which will be my wood working
shop.
Cars below.........
http://theamcpages.com/new-garage.asp

Bill

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:38:41 -0600, Keith Kinney
<kkinney at herculesengines.com> wrote:
> Elden
> I'm afraid the barn will be full without even getting anything else.
> We're going to move stuff around between the barns and hopefully use
> the space more efficiently.
> Here are some photo's of the process:
>
http://s592.photobucket.com/albums/tt1/KeithKinney/New%20Barn%20January%202009/?albumview=slideshow
> Today they got all the trusses up, 75% of the roof purlins up and the
> porch trusses up.  I'll try to get some additional photo's tomorrow.
> Keith
> 
> 
> On Jan 14, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Elden DuRand wrote:
> 
>> Keith:
>>
>> Now that you're gonna have a lot more space, it just means that
>> you'll get a lot more junk........er.......fine antique engines to
>> take up all the available space.
>>
>> I predict that within a year or so, you'll be just as crowded as you
>> are now, blue tarps and all.
>>
>> Take care - Elden  :-)
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>> Behalf Of Keith
>>> Kinney
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 09:25 PM
>>> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>>> Cc: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
>>
>> .................................snip.................................
>>
>>> We're looking
>>> forward to filling it
>>> up and making room in our shop barn so we aren't
>>> tripping over "junk"
>>> all the time.
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>> Keith Kinney
>>> kkinney at herculesengines.com
>>> WWW.HerculesEngines.com
>>
>>
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> 
> Keith Kinney
> kkinney at herculesengines.com
> WWW.HerculesEngines.com
> 
> 
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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Fri Jan 16 14:17:42 2009
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:17:42 -0800
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <b90e9ef79afdf7b7cb8e2ad2d3c1e3f9@dickerson-design.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEECEHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<B4C3BFA8-0FE7-4ABE-9CB5-E9866F318E66@herculesengines.com>
	<b90e9ef79afdf7b7cb8e2ad2d3c1e3f9@dickerson-design.com>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0901161417n6f63c150he5d15628fb166d32@mail.gmail.com>

I love to hear those shop dimensions and see those sheds and I must say that
I'm a little jealous because I can't afford anything like that. My friend
sold a lot that is 50 x 75 feet for $1,138,000 and it wasn't in the best
area of San Francisco. At over $300.00 a foot, you can buy a Maytag for less
that it cost to store it.

Poor Paul in SanFran


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jan 16 23:37:21 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:37:21 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Pics from the National Rail Museum, York
In-Reply-To: <1C2C9BDA227747A9908C9F62FB2FF3CF@REG>
References: <d68.3a0d0cf4.36a1ea88@aol.com>
	<1C2C9BDA227747A9908C9F62FB2FF3CF@REG>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901162337x3720789ci5f9b54f17e28d2b9@mail.gmail.com>

On 16/01/2009, R & M Ingold <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
> I was amazed by the presentation and finish of the exhibits but, moreso by
> the almost total lack of people! Time of year perhaps?
> Reg & Marg Ingold.

It's never that busy, look at the pictures we took when we were there
a few years ago, not a huge volume of people at all.

Peter
-- 
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http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Jan 17 14:47:23 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:47:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] More Pics from the trip
Message-ID: <1371B4336F48485DADD59874696A6160@PML>

Here are some pictures I took of some of the old machinery, ships,
cable-cars etc. that I spotted in San Francisco:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/sf09/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 17 16:44:44 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:44:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] More Pics from the trip
Message-ID: <855706.43002.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks muchly for this picture,
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/sf09/pages/DSCF2275_JPG.htm

I have a pump much like this one that came off a Great Lakes ship that was old and 
tired so they brought it into the local inland lakes.

 It sank in the center one of the three connected lakes near here.

The pump was brought up after it had spent 30 years sunk.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Patrick M Livingstone <pml1 at bigpond.net.au> wrote:

From: Patrick M Livingstone <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
Subject: [SEL] More Pics from the trip
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>, "Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 5:47 PM

Here are some pictures I took of some of the old machinery, ships,
cable-cars etc. that I spotted in San Francisco:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/sf09/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html


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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jan 17 17:20:31 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:20:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] More Pics from the trip
In-Reply-To: <1371B4336F48485DADD59874696A6160@PML>
Message-ID: <1FE2806274B5467B86A290EAD65B4449@larue10ijlvccx>

Great photos Patrick.  Looks like you got to see some nice sites while
here in the US.  Congratulations and here's wishing you many years of
happiness.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
Livingstone
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:47 PM
To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List
Subject: [SEL] More Pics from the trip

Here are some pictures I took of some of the old machinery, ships,
cable-cars etc. that I spotted in San Francisco:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/sf09/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Jan 17 21:46:21 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:46:21 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT anyone in Kansas City
Message-ID: <20090118054608.A98FA4EAF6@gex-cn01.gex.ncable.net.au>

Hi folks, I was wondering if any of you guys are from Kansas city and 
have a liking for cars?? I'm kinda wanting an opinion on a corvette 
that is for sale there?
regards Russell



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sat Jan 17 22:40:04 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:40:04 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT anyone in Kansas City
In-Reply-To: <20090118054608.A98FA4EAF6@gex-cn01.gex.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <20090118064005.20292444827@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi Russell, Does it have metal bumpers? Jimmy O'Hagan

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Gilbert
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:46 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] OT anyone in Kansas City

Hi folks, I was wondering if any of you guys are from Kansas city and 
have a liking for cars?? I'm kinda wanting an opinion on a corvette 
that is for sale there?
regards Russell

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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jan 18 03:23:09 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:23:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Pics from the National Rail Museum, York
In-Reply-To: <1C2C9BDA227747A9908C9F62FB2FF3CF@REG>
References: <d68.3a0d0cf4.36a1ea88@aol.com>
	<1C2C9BDA227747A9908C9F62FB2FF3CF@REG>
Message-ID: <8DEF6621FF1848DC983506255C2B3037@PML>

The Locomotives and rolling stock are very well presented even the
operational locomotives are spotless. There were a reasonable number of
people there but not a big crowd. It was the week before Christmas and
b***dy freezing.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

-----Original Message-----


I was amazed by the presentation and finish of the exhibits but, moreso by 
the almost total lack of people! Time of year perhaps?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jan 18 07:50:34 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:50:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] OT anyone in Kansas City
In-Reply-To: <20090118054608.A98FA4EAF6@gex-cn01.gex.ncable.net.au>
References: <20090118054608.A98FA4EAF6@gex-cn01.gex.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <1fe1051fd8903ede737691f40f6a9038.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Russell,

FAGEDDABOUTIT.  It'll NEVER fit in your carry-on.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, January 18, 2009 12:46 am, Russell Gilbert wrote:
> Hi folks, I was wondering if any of you guys are from Kansas city and
> have a liking for cars?? I'm kinda wanting an opinion on a corvette
> that is for sale there?




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From oldengine at comcast.net  Sun Jan 18 10:31:33 2009
From: oldengine at comcast.net (Harry)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:31:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
Message-ID: <59E57ADAAC3D4FBF97E4FB498A9BE108@OLDENGINE>

The 300 HP SNOW Gas Compressor engine at the Florida Flywheelers 2009 swap 
meet.

Video in High Definition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ&fmt=18


Regular definition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ

-- Harry



From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jan 18 11:06:29 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:06:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
In-Reply-To: <59E57ADAAC3D4FBF97E4FB498A9BE108@OLDENGINE>
Message-ID: <260D6F7264D1417CA67FFC4FA27D56C4@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Great HD video Harry.  I have DSL but I thought it might not be fast
enough to stay ahead of the stream but it did.  I'm watching on my
laptop (sitting on the couch in the living room) via a wireless G
router.  I'm going to get an N router as I've heard they are 3 or 4
times faster than the G.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Harry
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:32 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


The 300 HP SNOW Gas Compressor engine at the Florida Flywheelers 2009
swap 
meet.

Video in High Definition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ&fmt=18


Regular definition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ

-- Harry

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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Sun Jan 18 12:37:19 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:37:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
References: <59E57ADAAC3D4FBF97E4FB498A9BE108@OLDENGINE>
Message-ID: <04fe01c979ac$8f48f9b0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

How much gas does the Snow use per hour?  Do both cylinders fire?  Love 
those 6 feed Richardson Phenix lubricators!

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harry" <oldengine at comcast.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:31 PM
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


> The 300 HP SNOW Gas Compressor engine at the Florida Flywheelers 2009 swap
> meet.
>
> Video in High Definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ&fmt=18
>
>
> Regular definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ
>
> -- Harry
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun Jan 18 13:35:59 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:35:59 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT anyone in Kansas City
In-Reply-To: <20090118064005.20292444827@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20090118054608.A98FA4EAF6@gex-cn01.gex.ncable.net.au>
	<20090118064005.20292444827@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <20090118213545.AE38190169@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>

Hi Jim, this particular one - NO.
Saying this however It has already been sold.  :-(
Russell


At 05:40 PM 18/01/2009, you wrote:
>Hi Russell, Does it have metal bumpers? Jimmy O'Hagan
>
>Jim O'Hagan
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell
>Gilbert
>Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:46 PM
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: [SEL] OT anyone in Kansas City
>
>Hi folks, I was wondering if any of you guys are from Kansas city and
>have a liking for cars?? I'm kinda wanting an opinion on a corvette
>that is for sale there?
>regards Russell
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 13:49:48 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:49:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
Message-ID: <215008.93007.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the nice video, Harry.
That is a cute little Snow engine.
When we get the big one here and running maybe you would like to come see it.
Alan in Michigan

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Harry <oldengine at comcast.net> wrote:

From: Harry <oldengine at comcast.net>
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 1:31 PM

The 300 HP SNOW Gas Compressor engine at the Florida Flywheelers 2009 swap 
meet.

Video in High Definition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ&fmt=18


Regular definition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ

-- Harry

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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Sun Jan 18 14:16:48 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:16:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
References: <215008.93007.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <051001c979ba$74ce87e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

What big engine?  Ain't nothin bigger than the dozen that I occasionally 
play with! :)

http://news.webshots.com/photo/2392627320033749120EtTMyK?vhost=news

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


> Thanks for the nice video, Harry.
> That is a cute little Snow engine.
> When we get the big one here and running maybe you would like to come see 
> it.
> Alan in Michigan
>
> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Harry <oldengine at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> From: Harry <oldengine at comcast.net>
> Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 1:31 PM
>
> The 300 HP SNOW Gas Compressor engine at the Florida Flywheelers 2009 swap
> meet.
>
> Video in High Definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ&fmt=18
>
>
> Regular definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ
>
> -- Harry
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 14:57:03 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:57:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
Message-ID: <423723.41438.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I said, "Cute little Snow engine."
Ours  is an 1100 HP 1907 twin tandem, double acting, horizontal gas engine.
It is like the 600HP ones only with another set of cylinders.
I never said it was the largest engine.
It is just the biggest remaining Snow.
There is some talk here of it being the oldest remaining Snow too.
I?don't know if that is true.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com> wrote:

From: Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 5:16 PM

What big engine?? Ain't nothin bigger than the dozen that I occasionally 
play with! :)

http://news.webshots.com/photo/2392627320033749120EtTMyK?vhost=news

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


> Thanks for the nice video, Harry.
> That is a cute little Snow engine.
> When we get the big one here and running maybe you would like to come see 
> it.
> Alan in Michigan
>
> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Harry <oldengine at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> From: Harry <oldengine at comcast.net>
> Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 1:31 PM
>
> The 300 HP SNOW Gas Compressor engine at the Florida Flywheelers 2009 swap
> meet.
>
> Video in High Definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ&fmt=18
>
>
> Regular definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ
>
> -- Harry
>
> _______________________________________________
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> 

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From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Sun Jan 18 15:02:24 2009
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:02:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
In-Reply-To: <04fe01c979ac$8f48f9b0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <59E57ADAAC3D4FBF97E4FB498A9BE108@OLDENGINE>
	<04fe01c979ac$8f48f9b0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <783D47D84CC04D0D80192034DFAF185E@Eagle>

	There are 4 firing chambers, One at each end of both cylinders with
combustion gases pushing both faces of the pistons. There are dual ignitors
at each end of the cylinders. We probably don't want to know how much gas it
uses. The stroke is 36" and the bore is 20" for the 400hp and I believe the
600hp is over 24". Running speed is about 110 rpm.  


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tod Engine
Foundation
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:37 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video

How much gas does the Snow use per hour?  Do both cylinders fire?  Love
those 6 feed Richardson Phenix lubricators!

Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry" <oldengine at comcast.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:31 PM
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


> The 300 HP SNOW Gas Compressor engine at the Florida Flywheelers 2009 swap
> meet.
>
> Video in High Definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ&fmt=18
>
>
> Regular definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ
>
> -- Harry
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 

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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Sun Jan 18 15:19:51 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:19:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
References: <423723.41438.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <052801c979c3$43c30e10$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

I didn't know that there were any other twin tandems left other than the 
four at Beth Steel.  How far along is the reassembly project?

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


I said, "Cute little Snow engine."
Ours  is an 1100 HP 1907 twin tandem, double acting, horizontal gas engine.
It is like the 600HP ones only with another set of cylinders.
I never said it was the largest engine.
It is just the biggest remaining Snow.
There is some talk here of it being the oldest remaining Snow too.
I don't know if that is true.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com> 
wrote:

From: Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 5:16 PM

What big engine? Ain't nothin bigger than the dozen that I occasionally
play with! :)

http://news.webshots.com/photo/2392627320033749120EtTMyK?vhost=news

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


> Thanks for the nice video, Harry.
> That is a cute little Snow engine.
> When we get the big one here and running maybe you would like to come see
> it.
> Alan in Michigan
>
> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Harry <oldengine at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> From: Harry <oldengine at comcast.net>
> Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 1:31 PM
>
> The 300 HP SNOW Gas Compressor engine at the Florida Flywheelers 2009 swap
> meet.
>
> Video in High Definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ&fmt=18
>
>
> Regular definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ
>
> -- Harry
>
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Sun Jan 18 15:21:41 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:21:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
References: <59E57ADAAC3D4FBF97E4FB498A9BE108@OLDENGINE><04fe01c979ac$8f48f9b0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<783D47D84CC04D0D80192034DFAF185E@Eagle>
Message-ID: <052f01c979c3$855ae500$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

Actually I do want to know as it will give an idea of the amounts needed to 
fire a 42" dia. x 60" stroke cylinder.  I suppose whatever the fuel 
consumption would be we should double or triple it!

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Willman" <blcksmth at wcnet.org>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


> There are 4 firing chambers, One at each end of both cylinders with
> combustion gases pushing both faces of the pistons. There are dual 
> ignitors
> at each end of the cylinders. We probably don't want to know how much gas 
> it
> uses. The stroke is 36" and the bore is 20" for the 400hp and I believe 
> the
> 600hp is over 24". Running speed is about 110 rpm.
>
>
> Bob Willman
> Bowling Green, Ohio
> The Eagle's Anvil
> WB8NQW
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tod Engine
> Foundation
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:37 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
>
> How much gas does the Snow use per hour?  Do both cylinders fire?  Love
> those 6 feed Richardson Phenix lubricators!
>
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harry" <oldengine at comcast.net>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:31 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
>
>
>> The 300 HP SNOW Gas Compressor engine at the Florida Flywheelers 2009 
>> swap
>> meet.
>>
>> Video in High Definition:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ&fmt=18
>>
>>
>> Regular definition:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ
>>
>> -- Harry
>>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 19 04:28:42 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 04:28:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
Message-ID: <282554.48536.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I just looked at your pictures.
Those look like newer and smaller engines than our Snow.
The only pictures of our Snow that i have are one my Buckley calendars.
Maybe I should try out my scanner.
So far our guys have just brought home the govner assembly and loosen up a lot of other parts.
This year is supposed to be the hauling year.
Our Snow is just a bit over 65' long and 20' wide.
It is estimated at 445,000 pounds.
If you look at this 600 hp one at Rollag ours is like it except there is a matching set of 
those cylinders on the other side of the flywheel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcjt0uQDbxw&feature=related

Ours is older than Rollag's 600hp one because I just noticed the Worthington Pump tag 
on theirs. ?What I have here says that happened in 1915.
Like I wrote before, Our Snow was built in 1907.

Alan in Michigan


--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com> wrote:

From: Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 6:19 PM

I didn't know that there were any other twin tandems left other than the 
four at Beth Steel.? How far along is the reassembly project?

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


I said, "Cute little Snow engine."
Ours? is an 1100 HP 1907 twin tandem, double acting, horizontal gas engine.
It is like the 600HP ones only with another set of cylinders.
I never said it was the largest engine.
It is just the biggest remaining Snow.
There is some talk here of it being the oldest remaining Snow too.
I don't know if that is true.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com> 
wrote:

From: Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 5:16 PM

What big engine? Ain't nothin bigger than the dozen that I occasionally
play with! :)

http://news.webshots.com/photo/2392627320033749120EtTMyK?vhost=news

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


> Thanks for the nice video, Harry.
> That is a cute little Snow engine.
> When we get the big one here and running maybe you would like to come see
> it.
> Alan in Michigan
>
> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Harry <oldengine at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> From: Harry <oldengine at comcast.net>
> Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 1:31 PM
>
> The 300 HP SNOW Gas Compressor engine at the Florida Flywheelers 2009 swap
> meet.
>
> Video in High Definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ&fmt=18
>
>
> Regular definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ
>
> -- Harry
>
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 19 05:33:23 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:33:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
References: <282554.48536.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003101c97a3a$80b29990$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

The Bethlehem design dates back to approx. 1905 so the age of first four or 
five engines in the blowing engine house are about as old as your Snow.

I think from end to end the Beth engines are approx. 81 feet long.

Go get some pictures of it.  I'm anxious to see what it looks like.  I just 
love big engines.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


I just looked at your pictures.
Those look like newer and smaller engines than our Snow.
The only pictures of our Snow that i have are one my Buckley calendars.
Maybe I should try out my scanner.
So far our guys have just brought home the govner assembly and loosen up a 
lot of other parts.
This year is supposed to be the hauling year.
Our Snow is just a bit over 65' long and 20' wide.
It is estimated at 445,000 pounds.
If you look at this 600 hp one at Rollag ours is like it except there is a 
matching set of
those cylinders on the other side of the flywheel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcjt0uQDbxw&feature=related

Ours is older than Rollag's 600hp one because I just noticed the Worthington 
Pump tag
on theirs. What I have here says that happened in 1915.
Like I wrote before, Our Snow was built in 1907.

Alan in Michigan


--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com> 
wrote:

From: Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 6:19 PM

I didn't know that there were any other twin tandems left other than the
four at Beth Steel. How far along is the reassembly project?

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


I said, "Cute little Snow engine."
Ours is an 1100 HP 1907 twin tandem, double acting, horizontal gas engine.
It is like the 600HP ones only with another set of cylinders.
I never said it was the largest engine.
It is just the biggest remaining Snow.
There is some talk here of it being the oldest remaining Snow too.
I don't know if that is true.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

From: Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 5:16 PM

What big engine? Ain't nothin bigger than the dozen that I occasionally
play with! :)

http://news.webshots.com/photo/2392627320033749120EtTMyK?vhost=news

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video


> Thanks for the nice video, Harry.
> That is a cute little Snow engine.
> When we get the big one here and running maybe you would like to come see
> it.
> Alan in Michigan
>
> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Harry <oldengine at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> From: Harry <oldengine at comcast.net>
> Subject: [SEL] Snow Gas Engine Video
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 1:31 PM
>
> The 300 HP SNOW Gas Compressor engine at the Florida Flywheelers 2009 swap
> meet.
>
> Video in High Definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ&fmt=18
>
>
> Regular definition:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myu2Dmv1mOQ
>
> -- Harry
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Jan 19 09:31:07 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:31:07 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Better late than never. making up this calendar was more work than 
I imagined plus I've had a lot of other things to do just lately.

         What I've done is put up January to June so far, at least you can 
use that so long. I should finish the rest within a few days then I'll 
upload that.

         There are still pics submitted by some of you that I'm going to 
use in the second half so expect some email from me asking for details.

         Thanks for swamping me with pics  after my last request and I've 
used as many of them as possible but unfortunately many of the pics of 
really nice engines were unusable. Some reasons follow:
         a) Badly composed pics - things like important parts of the engine 
or trolley cut off in the pic or taken from a bad angle with lighting from 
the wrong side.
         c) Cluttered background or rubbish lying around or behind the 
subject (engine).
         d) Low resolution pics - some even had the eBay logo in them :-)

         January to June 2009 can be found in a zip file here:

<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/cal1.zip>

         It is 3.8 Megabytes - sorry dialup guys - any smaller and the 
resolution would be really terrible.

         Note that there is not a link to it on that page but the file is 
there. Clicking on the link above should automatically start the download 
to your computer. If anyone does not know how to handle zip files contact me.

         Enjoy!

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jan 19 14:31:47 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:31:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <16B87A9530DD46659432EE6075B19C47@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Great work Jerry!  

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Evans
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:31 PM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar


Hi All,
         Better late than never. making up this calendar was more work
than 
I imagined plus I've had a lot of other things to do just lately.

         What I've done is put up January to June so far, at least you
can 
use that so long. I should finish the rest within a few days then I'll 
upload that.

         There are still pics submitted by some of you that I'm going to

use in the second half so expect some email from me asking for details.

         Thanks for swamping me with pics  after my last request and
I've 
used as many of them as possible but unfortunately many of the pics of 
really nice engines were unusable. Some reasons follow:
         a) Badly composed pics - things like important parts of the
engine 
or trolley cut off in the pic or taken from a bad angle with lighting
from 
the wrong side.
         c) Cluttered background or rubbish lying around or behind the 
subject (engine).
         d) Low resolution pics - some even had the eBay logo in them
:-)

         January to June 2009 can be found in a zip file here:

<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/cal1.zip>

         It is 3.8 Megabytes - sorry dialup guys - any smaller and the 
resolution would be really terrible.

         Note that there is not a link to it on that page but the file
is 
there. Clicking on the link above should automatically start the
download 
to your computer. If anyone does not know how to handle zip files
contact me.

         Enjoy!

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>



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From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Jan 19 15:49:55 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:49:55 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEGEHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

Thanks for the calendar (the first half).  I was surprised to see my image on there.  

Who'da ever thunk this 'ol Kaintuck would ever git on one of them thair calendar thaings??!!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:31 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
> 
> 
> Hi All,
>          Better late than never. making up this 
> calendar was more work than 
> I imagined plus I've had a lot of other things to 
> do just lately.

.....................................snip...................................
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Jan 19 14:56:05 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:56:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <000e01c97a89$1c113dd0$66674b47@mikecomp>

Jerry:

  Great work!  Only one correction, that's Rob Skinner on the tricycle, not 
me!

Thanks for your beautiful efforts.

Mike Royster

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:31 PM
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar


> Hi All,
>         Better late than never. making up this calendar was more work than
> I imagined plus I've had a lot of other things to do just lately.
>
>         What I've done is put up January to June so far, at least you can
> use that so long. I should finish the rest within a few days then I'll
> upload that.
>
>         There are still pics submitted by some of you that I'm going to
> use in the second half so expect some email from me asking for details.
>
>         Thanks for swamping me with pics  after my last request and I've
> used as many of them as possible but unfortunately many of the pics of
> really nice engines were unusable. Some reasons follow:
>         a) Badly composed pics - things like important parts of the engine
> or trolley cut off in the pic or taken from a bad angle with lighting from
> the wrong side.
>         c) Cluttered background or rubbish lying around or behind the
> subject (engine).
>         d) Low resolution pics - some even had the eBay logo in them :-)
>
>         January to June 2009 can be found in a zip file here:
>
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/cal1.zip>
>
>         It is 3.8 Megabytes - sorry dialup guys - any smaller and the
> resolution would be really terrible.
>
>         Note that there is not a link to it on that page but the file is
> there. Clicking on the link above should automatically start the download
> to your computer. If anyone does not know how to handle zip files contact 
> me.
>
>         Enjoy!
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
>
>
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From avanti_64 at juno.com  Mon Jan 19 17:11:23 2009
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 01:11:23 GMT
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
Message-ID: <20090119.201123.23315.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

Thanks Jerry!
Nice piece of work!
Joe

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From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Mon Jan 19 17:51:30 2009
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:51:30 +0900
Subject: [SEL] White metal (help from the aussies?)
Message-ID: <00d401c97aa1$9e3c3900$210110ac@Chester>

Hi guys, looking to purchase some white metal / babbit, from consolidated alloys, i need this for big end & main bearings for my aermotor, the trouble is which alloy do i need?, there is heaps of different grades, i have never poured bearings before so it will be a big learning curve, cheers from west aussie,
Chester.

From ilifa at internode.on.net  Mon Jan 19 18:15:10 2009
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:15:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] White metal (help from the aussies?)
In-Reply-To: <00d401c97aa1$9e3c3900$210110ac@Chester>
References: <00d401c97aa1$9e3c3900$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <968D46D4-49A6-4560-A56A-FFC75FFD8B94@internode.on.net>

What I would do is ask Consolidated Alloys. They would know more than  
any of us. Just tell them what you want to re-metal.

Eric


> Hi guys, looking to purchase some white metal / babbit, from  
> consolidated alloys, i need this for big end & main bearings for my  
> aermotor, the trouble is which alloy do i need?, there is heaps of  
> different grades, i have never poured bearings before so it will be  
> a big learning curve, cheers from west aussie,
> Chester.


From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Mon Jan 19 18:50:15 2009
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 11:50:15 +0900
Subject: [SEL] White metal (help from the aussies?)
References: <00d401c97aa1$9e3c3900$210110ac@Chester>
	<968D46D4-49A6-4560-A56A-FFC75FFD8B94@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <00de01c97aa9$d2c705d0$210110ac@Chester>

Eric i asked them & they will not comment, they said the buyer should know 
what he wants, thanks.
Chester.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Schulz" <ilifa at internode.on.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] White metal (help from the aussies?)


> What I would do is ask Consolidated Alloys. They would know more than
> any of us. Just tell them what you want to re-metal.
>
> Eric
>
>
>> Hi guys, looking to purchase some white metal / babbit, from
>> consolidated alloys, i need this for big end & main bearings for my
>> aermotor, the trouble is which alloy do i need?, there is heaps of
>> different grades, i have never poured bearings before so it will be
>> a big learning curve, cheers from west aussie,
>> Chester.
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jan 19 19:20:30 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:20:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <000e01c97a89$1c113dd0$66674b47@mikecomp>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<000e01c97a89$1c113dd0$66674b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <46660dfa33127f9fd4c05662cc292cc5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Oh sure Mike, as soon as the coppers start sniffing around you want to try and put
them off the scent and sic 'em on poor ol' Rob.  You are SUCH a low life.
Your brother was right about you!!

See ya,  Arnie

> Great work!  Only one correction, that's Rob Skinner on the tricycle, not me!
> Mike Royster




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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 19 19:28:42 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:28:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] White metal (help from the aussies?)
References: <00d401c97aa1$9e3c3900$210110ac@Chester><968D46D4-49A6-4560-A56A-FFC75FFD8B94@internode.on.net>
	<00de01c97aa9$d2c705d0$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <018c01c97aaf$320ae4d0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

The buyer then should know that he does not want to buy from that concern!

Genuine babbitt is the best all around grade to use. I don't know what 
number it is, most just call it "genuine".

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] White metal (help from the aussies?)


> Eric i asked them & they will not comment, they said the buyer should know
> what he wants, thanks.
> Chester.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eric Schulz" <ilifa at internode.on.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] White metal (help from the aussies?)
>
>
>> What I would do is ask Consolidated Alloys. They would know more than
>> any of us. Just tell them what you want to re-metal.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>> Hi guys, looking to purchase some white metal / babbit, from
>>> consolidated alloys, i need this for big end & main bearings for my
>>> aermotor, the trouble is which alloy do i need?, there is heaps of
>>> different grades, i have never poured bearings before so it will be
>>> a big learning curve, cheers from west aussie,
>>> Chester.
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jan 19 19:42:07 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:42:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <c3f44841ddd0c3cf0796aab0c9427baa.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Jerry,

You may not realize it, but the "SEL'S Belles" are displayed in the world famous
"Missing Woman Formation."  That empty space between Mel & Missy and Kelley & Susan
is where Dolly is supposed to be.  Maybe ONE DAY we'll be able to talk her into
returning to Portland.

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, January 19, 2009 12:31 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
>          What I've done is put up January to June so far, at least you can
> use that so long. I should finish the rest within a few days then I'll
> upload that.
>          January to June 2009 can be found in a zip file here:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/cal1.zip>




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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jan 19 21:30:47 2009
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:30:47 -0800
Subject: [SEL] White metal (help from the aussies?)
In-Reply-To: <00de01c97aa9$d2c705d0$210110ac@Chester>
References: <00d401c97aa1$9e3c3900$210110ac@Chester>
	<968D46D4-49A6-4560-A56A-FFC75FFD8B94@internode.on.net>
	<00de01c97aa9$d2c705d0$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <D5B30A68-74B5-43EF-BFE2-CDEFA330F863@rustyiron.com>


On Jan 19, 2009, at 6:50 PM, Chester Smith wrote:

> Eric i asked them & they will not comment, they said the buyer  
> should know
> what he wants, thanks.
> Chester.

Like Rick said, Chester, if they're jerks, find another vendor.  If  
you have no other options, just tell them #11.  Honestly, for your  
purposes, the differences won't amount to a hill of beans.

Rob




















From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jan 19 22:24:35 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:24:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<c3f44841ddd0c3cf0796aab0c9427baa.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <F514AFDAEC5D4B2EA3C1D4247021B318@REG>

Arnie, mate, Ya want Dolly there?
Here's how.
Pay for Chris to do Uni!!!
Our world has changed.
Now, PARENTS aint clear of the 'kid expense' until they( the kids) are ready 
to go on the old age pension!! (And then some!!)
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar


> Hi Jerry,
>
> You may not realize it, but the "SEL'S Belles" are displayed in the world 
> famous
> "Missing Woman Formation."  That empty space between Mel & Missy and 
> Kelley & Susan
> is where Dolly is supposed to be.  Maybe ONE DAY we'll be able to talk her 
> into
> returning to Portland.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Mon, January 19, 2009 12:31 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
>>          What I've done is put up January to June so far, at least you 
>> can
>> use that so long. I should finish the rest within a few days then I'll
>> upload that.
>>          January to June 2009 can be found in a zip file here:
>> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/cal1.zip>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jan 19 23:13:32 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:13:32 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<c3f44841ddd0c3cf0796aab0c9427baa.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43B8C1ADD86943B6A99E06114564A28B@REG>

Arnie, mate, Ya want Dolly there?
Here's how.
Pay for Chris to do Uni!!!
Our world has changed.
Now, PARENTS aint clear of the 'kid expense' until they( the kids) are ready
to go on the old age pension!! (And then some!!)

PS. I love the thought behind your email
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar


> Hi Jerry,
>
> You may not realize it, but the "SEL'S Belles" are displayed in the world
> famous
> "Missing Woman Formation."  That empty space between Mel & Missy and
> Kelley & Susan
> is where Dolly is supposed to be.  Maybe ONE DAY we'll be able to talk her
> into
> returning to Portland.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Mon, January 19, 2009 12:31 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
>>          What I've done is put up January to June so far, at least you
>> can
>> use that so long. I should finish the rest within a few days then I'll
>> upload that.
>>          January to June 2009 can be found in a zip file here:
>> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/cal1.zip>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jan 19 23:13:37 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:13:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<c3f44841ddd0c3cf0796aab0c9427baa.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <F4384CEB18AF4042B2B8B5144F595C84@REG>

Arnie, mate, Ya want Dolly there?
Here's how.
Pay for Chris to do Uni!!!
Our world has changed.
Now, PARENTS aint clear of the 'kid expense' until they( the kids) are ready
to go on the old age pension!! (And then some!!)

PS. I love the thought behind your email
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar


> Hi Jerry,
>
> You may not realize it, but the "SEL'S Belles" are displayed in the world
> famous
> "Missing Woman Formation."  That empty space between Mel & Missy and
> Kelley & Susan
> is where Dolly is supposed to be.  Maybe ONE DAY we'll be able to talk her
> into
> returning to Portland.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Mon, January 19, 2009 12:31 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
>>          What I've done is put up January to June so far, at least you
>> can
>> use that so long. I should finish the rest within a few days then I'll
>> upload that.
>>          January to June 2009 can be found in a zip file here:
>> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/cal1.zip>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> believed to be clean.
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Jan 20 15:01:01 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 08:01:01 +0900
Subject: [SEL] White metal (help from the aussies?)
References: <00d401c97aa1$9e3c3900$210110ac@Chester><968D46D4-49A6-4560-A56A-FFC75FFD8B94@internode.on.net><00de01c97aa9$d2c705d0$210110ac@Chester>
	<D5B30A68-74B5-43EF-BFE2-CDEFA330F863@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <BD0C9CEE2EB94008BA1E62293E6C906E@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Chester ,I can lend you the Hoyt book on the Lined Bearing.As others have 
said  dont get too fussy about the grade .Are you going to pour around the 
journals or do you intend making a jig to hold the shells.The Hoyts book 
will give you some ideas on making the jig.I just did the mains for that big 
engine of mine .I had a few blow holes but the old remedy for this is to 
fill them with soft solder......for our purpose this will be OK . As a 
matter of interest Steve Eatts here in Albnay uses a lot of white metal in 
his business of knife sharpening for the wood chip mill....he has a pot of 
metal on the go often .Steve belongs to TRACMACH.
If your supplier wants to be pernickity tell him you want Hoyts D.11.This is 
the lowest melting metal and will be fine for your purpose.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] White metal (help from the aussies?)


>
> On Jan 19, 2009, at 6:50 PM, Chester Smith wrote:
>
>> Eric i asked them & they will not comment, they said the buyer
>> should know
>> what he wants, thanks.
>> Chester.
>
> Like Rick said, Chester, if they're jerks, find another vendor.  If
> you have no other options, just tell them #11.  Honestly, for your
> purposes, the differences won't amount to a hill of beans.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jan 19 23:44:50 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:44:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<c3f44841ddd0c3cf0796aab0c9427baa.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <A23FF513EF964735A83BD8C1CE07247D@REG>

Arnie, mate, Ya want Dolly there?
Here's how.
Pay for Chris to do Uni!!!
Our world has changed.
Now, PARENTS aint clear of the 'kid expense' until they( the kids) are ready
to go on the old age pension!! (And then some!!)

PS. I love the thought behind your email
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar


> Hi Jerry,
>
> You may not realize it, but the "SEL'S Belles" are displayed in the world
> famous
> "Missing Woman Formation."  That empty space between Mel & Missy and
> Kelley & Susan
> is where Dolly is supposed to be.  Maybe ONE DAY we'll be able to talk her
> into
> returning to Portland.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Mon, January 19, 2009 12:31 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
>>          What I've done is put up January to June so far, at least you
>> can
>> use that so long. I should finish the rest within a few days then I'll
>> upload that.
>>          January to June 2009 can be found in a zip file here:
>> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/cal1.zip>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> believed to be clean.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jan 20 08:04:08 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:04:08 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Calendar 2009
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120175332.00c33a70@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         In the January to June version a few errors were pointed out they 
have now been corrected and the final Jan to June version has now replaced 
the one I put up yesterday. (Apologies for the double download)

<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/cal1.zip>

August to Dec will follow soon

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jan 20 09:45:18 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:45:18 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1232470802.28683.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194156.00c42870@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 20/01/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:49:55 -0600
>From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar
>
>Jerry:
>
>Thanks for the calendar (the first half).  I was surprised to see my image 
>on there.
>
>Who'da ever thunk this 'ol Kaintuck would ever git on one of them thair 
>calendar thaings??!!
>
>Take care - Elden
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

That's a pleasure Elden,
         May I use this opportunity to ask your permission to use that pic 
in the calendar? :-)
         It was such a nice one that I just "stole" it off your website.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jan 20 09:49:32 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:49:32 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1232470802.28683.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 20/01/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 4
>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:56:05 -0500
>From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>Jerry:
>   Great work!  Only one correction, that's Rob Skinner on the tricycle, not
>me!
>Thanks for your beautiful efforts.
>Mike Royster

Thanks Mike and Sorry Rob,
         That's one of the corrections in the latest version. I never 
realised that Rob was also a hooligan!! Mike thanks for all the pics.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jan 20 09:41:26 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:41:26 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1232470802.28683.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120193825.00c517b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 20/01/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:31:47 -0500
>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>
>Great work Jerry!
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY


Thanks Tommy,
         I'm going to take the opportunity to remind you that I'm waiting 
for something from you !! You know what it is :-)


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jan 20 09:51:16 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:51:16 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1232470802.28683.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194953.033f9848@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 20/01/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 5
>Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 01:11:23 GMT
>From: "avanti_64 at juno.com" <avanti_64 at juno.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar
>
>Thanks Jerry!
>Nice piece of work!
>Joe

Good on you Joe,
         Thanks for the pics.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jan 20 10:12:23 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:12:23 +0200
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1232470802.28683.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120195454.03409800@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 20/01/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 11
>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:42:07 -0500 (EST)
>From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar
>
>
>Hi Jerry,
>
>You may not realize it, but the "SEL'S Belles" are displayed in the world 
>famous
>"Missing Woman Formation."  That empty space between Mel & Missy and 
>Kelley & Susan
>is where Dolly is supposed to be.  Maybe ONE DAY we'll be able to talk her 
>into
>returning to Portland.
>
>See ya,  Arnie


Hi Arnie and I'm going to add Reg,
         (Have you guys been smoking and what was it ?)
         I'd have loved to have included Dolly (the FBI webmistress) here 
but nobody sent me a pic of her - all is not lost as I still need a few 
pics on the top row in the 2nd half of the calendar and I'd really like one 
of Dolly (not the one of her purple shoes).
         So, Mr. Fero, start searching your hard drive - you know my 
address!! I do seem to remember a very nice pic of her with a purple Maytag :-)

         Also remember that I only get the "Digest" version of the S.E.L. 
so send it "Off List"

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jan 20 10:54:23 2009
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:54:23 -0800
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <AA3B4EBB-E093-4CFF-9655-B6DC2F307FCF@rustyiron.com>


On Jan 20, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Jerry Evans wrote:
>
> Thanks Mike and Sorry Rob,
>         That's one of the corrections in the latest version. I never
> realised that Rob was also a hooligan!! Mike thanks for all the pics.

Make no mistake, Jerry, my hooliganism pales in comparison to that of  
Mr. Royster.





From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Jan 20 12:22:47 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:22:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Nuenen engine show
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120175332.00c33a70@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120175332.00c33a70@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909A33553@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

Wondering if anyone on this list is planning on going to the Nuenen show
(in Holland) this year and will be staying for a few days after the
show.

I might have something lined up for the day after the Nuenen show for a
small group to get in to see the Deutz museum engine collection.  The
group going with me to Nuenen will be going to see the Deutz collection
and it is possible some others could meet us at Koln when we go to see
the collection and get in with us.

At the moment I'm just seeing if there are others that would like to
join us so I can tell the Deutz contact how many people would be in the
group and if that number is okay.

George


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From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Jan 20 15:15:54 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:15:54 -0600
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194156.00c42870@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEHGHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

At my age, I consider it to be an honor to have my image stolen, appropriated, lifted, copied or just looked upon without disgust.

Be my guest!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:45 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar
> 
> 
> At 07:00 PM 20/01/2009, you wrote:
> >Message: 3
> >Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:49:55 -0600
> >From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar
> >
> >Jerry:
> >
> >Thanks for the calendar (the first half).  I was 
> surprised to see my image 
> >on there.
> >
> >Who'da ever thunk this 'ol Kaintuck would ever 
> git on one of them thair 
> >calendar thaings??!!
> >
> >Take care - Elden
> >http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
> 
> That's a pleasure Elden,
>          May I use this opportunity to ask your 
> permission to use that pic 
> in the calendar? :-)
>          It was such a nice one that I just 
> "stole" it off your website.
> 
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Jan 20 14:36:01 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:36:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp>

Oh that's OK, Rob appreciated being upgraded to the cloistered oyster 
Royster status.  Plus doen't that make his engines mine??????

MR

>
> Thanks Mike and Sorry Rob,
>         That's one of the corrections in the latest version. I never
> realised that Rob was also a hooligan!! Mike thanks for all the pics.
>
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
>
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Jan 21 09:51:21 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:51:21 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Mail server problems
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090121194641.00bc74b8@mail.atech.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         Our mail service provider is changing software and having a few 
problems.

         I may have lost some mail sent (to me) in the last few hours ( 
lets say from 1.00pm GMT - 21st January 2009) Outgoing mail from me was not 
affected.

         I'm only mentioning this in case someone has submitted any pics 
for the calendar in this time. If anyone sent me anything after the above 
time please resend

         ( I did get yours this morning Reg, thanks and also those plates 
pics from Mike Royster)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Jan 21 14:35:51 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 00:35:51 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Engine Photo
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090122003337.00bc74b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         Copy of a letter I recieved and my answer
Jerry


At 09:33 PM 21/01/2009, you wrote:
>Jerry
>
>I have been on the list but have not responded to date.  I inherited 
>several engines from my father and am trying to learn as much about them 
>as I can.  This photo may be to late or to low res to use now.  This 
>Bessemer engine, wench and pumping jack came from an oil well in western 
>Pennsylvania.  My father had partially paid for it but had never taken the 
>time to go get it.  I paid the remaining amount and after my father died 
>my wife and I went to Pa and with the help of the previous owner were able 
>to load it onto a trailer and take it to Northeast Tennessee where it now 
>resides awaiting restoration.  This spring or summer I can take better 
>photographs of it if you think folks on the list would be interested
>
>John

Hello John,
         Thank you very much for your answer. It is really very nice to 
hear from a "new" person but I need to tell you something. This is a really 
great hobby and one of the things that keeps me interested in the hobby is 
all the new friends that I've met through it. Your letter came directly to 
me so I do not know which "List" you belong to. I belong to the "S.E.L 
list" as well as the "Oldengine.org" list so you must have found (and 
joined) one of those.

         You have obviously been what we call a "lurker" on whichever list 
- ie. you've joined but have not yet responded to any messages. There is 
nothing wrong with that (I also lurked for a few weeks (maybe months) 
before getting up the courage to join in).

         These 2 lists are the best things that have happened in my life 
for many years. They are made up of really good guys with a common interest 
in restoring "old engines" or, if you prefer, "old iron". You will meet 
people with similar interests from all over the world and you will become 
friends with them. They are "good guys" and will answer all your questions 
and give you all the help that you need. Yes they sometimes also get grumpy 
(it's called "cabin fever" in the USA but the Aussies get "Heat Stroke" at 
the same time and it makes for some very interesting "exchanges"). At the 
end of the day everyone seems to miraculously remain friends. That's what 
it is all about.

         O.K. so I've said my stuff - now it's up to you to join in on the 
lists. All the list members welcome new members so please do not feel shy 
to introduce yourself.

         Now to get back to your mail to me.  That's a beautiful engine 
(and picture) and I'm going to make an effort to get it into the calendar 
(unfortunately, at this time, probably just a small pic at the top of a page).

         I am also going to "copy" this mail to the 2 lists. You should get 
quite a few responses. I do not know a lot about American engines but you 
mention that it is a "Bessemer".  Arnie  Fero (a list member) will get 
excited as will many others especially when they see that attached winch!

         To give you an example of how much you can learn from these lists. 
When I joined I had no idea of what a "half breed" engine was but often 
heard the term on the lists. I eventually bucked up the courage to ask. I 
had many replies and Rob Skinner (list member) even posted (snail mail - 
not email) a number of articles explaining that it was an engine originally 
driven by steam but converted to that "new fangled idea" of "internal 
combustion". I mention that because it was Arnie's "Half-Breed" Bessemer 
that prompted my question in the first place.

         Any way, Ive posted your pic here (do not worry, it is not on a 
webpage and there is nothing linking it to you) it's just a pic in the root 
directory of my site on "oldengine.org".
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/bessemer.jpg>

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Jan 21 14:49:43 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:49:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Engine Photo
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090122003337.00bc74b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090122003337.00bc74b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909A8FAE0@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

Jerry,

I think John didn't describe the photo correctly.
Didn't see the "wench" ;-)

Other odd thing today is that the only SEL messages I've gotten today
were 2 that you posted.  Don't know what happened to the rest of the
list.

George



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Evans
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:36 PM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Photo

Hi Guys,
         Copy of a letter I recieved and my answer
Jerry


At 09:33 PM 21/01/2009, you wrote:
>Jerry
>
>I have been on the list but have not responded to date.  I inherited 
>several engines from my father and am trying to learn as much about
them 
>as I can.  This photo may be to late or to low res to use now.  This 
>Bessemer engine, wench and pumping jack came from an oil well in
western 
>Pennsylvania.  My father had partially paid for it but had never taken
the 
>time to go get it.  I paid the remaining amount and after my father
died 
>my wife and I went to Pa and with the help of the previous owner were
able 
>to load it onto a trailer and take it to Northeast Tennessee where it
now 
>resides awaiting restoration.  This spring or summer I can take better 
>photographs of it if you think folks on the list would be interested
>
>John



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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jan 21 17:00:20 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:00:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <AA3B4EBB-E093-4CFF-9655-B6DC2F307FCF@rustyiron.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<AA3B4EBB-E093-4CFF-9655-B6DC2F307FCF@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <ed02b406294594a1873b593fc588c0e7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Man, that's fer sure.  When you see that evil grin and the "Royster Dimples" you
just KNOW that something evil is about to happen.

Bless his heart.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, January 20, 2009 1:54 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
>
> On Jan 20, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Jerry Evans wrote:
>> Thanks Mike and Sorry Rob,
>>         That's one of the corrections in the latest version. I never
>> realised that Rob was also a hooligan!! Mike thanks for all the pics.
>
> Make no mistake, Jerry, my hooliganism pales in comparison to that of
> Mr. Royster.




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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jan 21 17:24:53 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:24:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
Message-ID: <77e32c8beb026c5c1605974ce8ee3af8.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Jerry,

Is this the one that you're looking for?
http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/news.htm

If it is, I also have the pic without the "news."  Lemmie know and I can scan it.
There's also a rumor that there's another EXCELLENT pic of Dolly "out there" that
involves an amusement park ride in Pittsburgh that's called The Logjammer.  Again
the rumor is that the reaction if it ever surfaced on the net would be similar to
the one that surrounded that moviemaker who "offended" the Muslims in Denmark (or
was it Norway).  8->>

See ya,  Arnie

> Hi Arnie and I'm going to add Reg,
>          I'd have loved to have included Dolly (the FBI webmistress) here
> but nobody sent me a pic of her - all is not lost as I still need a few
> pics on the top row in the 2nd half of the calendar and I'd really like one
> of Dolly (not the one of her purple shoes).
>          So, Mr. Fero, start searching your hard drive - you know my
> address!! I do seem to remember a very nice pic of her with a purple Maytag :-)




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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jan 21 17:56:54 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:56:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><AA3B4EBB-E093-4CFF-9655-B6DC2F307FCF@rustyiron.com>
	<ed02b406294594a1873b593fc588c0e7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <003201c97c34$b38744a0$66674b47@mikecomp>

That would hurt me if I had any feelings or it weren't true :)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar


> Man, that's fer sure.  When you see that evil grin and the "Royster 
> Dimples" you
> just KNOW that something evil is about to happen.
>
> Bless his heart.  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Tue, January 20, 2009 1:54 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Jerry Evans wrote:
>>> Thanks Mike and Sorry Rob,
>>>         That's one of the corrections in the latest version. I never
>>> realised that Rob was also a hooligan!! Mike thanks for all the pics.
>>
>> Make no mistake, Jerry, my hooliganism pales in comparison to that of
>> Mr. Royster.
>
>
>
>
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Jan 21 19:44:09 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:44:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090119190849.0301f508@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <03A3AB60B31A4680A3A73FBF15BA95C4@tommydk7hxjr4h>

 Wonder if you buy the duck you get the carb or if you buy the carb you
get the duck? See ebay listing number:

370147477890

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




From kosh at ncweb.com  Wed Jan 21 20:55:06 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:55:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Photo
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090122003337.00bc74b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090121235021.018aa250@ncweb.com>

Really neat to see one complete with its well machinery, pump jack + winch.

That big bull gear will make it a real attention getter at shows.
Amazing amount of paint on it too!

The gear teeth that were in the ground don't look too bad from the picture.

Congratulations!

Dave Merchant


At 05:35 PM 1/21/2009, you wrote:
>Hi Guys,
>          Copy of a letter I recieved and my answer
>Jerry
>
>
>At 09:33 PM 21/01/2009, you wrote:
> >Jerry
> >
> >I have been on the list but have not responded to date.  I inherited
> >several engines from my father and am trying to learn as much about them
> >as I can.  This photo may be to late or to low res to use now.  This
> >Bessemer engine, wench and pumping jack came from an oil well in western
> >Pennsylvania.  My father had partially paid for it but had never taken the
> >time to go get it.  I paid the remaining amount and after my father died
> >my wife and I went to Pa and with the help of the previous owner were able
> >to load it onto a trailer and take it to Northeast Tennessee where it now
> >resides awaiting restoration.  This spring or summer I can take better
> >photographs of it if you think folks on the list would be interested
> >
> >John
>
>Hello John,
>          Thank you very much for your answer. It is really very nice to
>hear from a "new" person but I need to tell you something. This is a really
>great hobby and one of the things that keeps me interested in the hobby is
>all the new friends that I've met through it. Your letter came directly to
>me so I do not know which "List" you belong to. I belong to the "S.E.L
>list" as well as the "Oldengine.org" list so you must have found (and
>joined) one of those.
>
>          You have obviously been what we call a "lurker" on whichever list
>- ie. you've joined but have not yet responded to any messages. There is
>nothing wrong with that (I also lurked for a few weeks (maybe months)
>before getting up the courage to join in).
>
>          These 2 lists are the best things that have happened in my life
>for many years. They are made up of really good guys with a common interest
>in restoring "old engines" or, if you prefer, "old iron". You will meet
>people with similar interests from all over the world and you will become
>friends with them. They are "good guys" and will answer all your questions
>and give you all the help that you need. Yes they sometimes also get grumpy
>(it's called "cabin fever" in the USA but the Aussies get "Heat Stroke" at
>the same time and it makes for some very interesting "exchanges"). At the
>end of the day everyone seems to miraculously remain friends. That's what
>it is all about.
>
>          O.K. so I've said my stuff - now it's up to you to join in on the
>lists. All the list members welcome new members so please do not feel shy
>to introduce yourself.
>
>          Now to get back to your mail to me.  That's a beautiful engine
>(and picture) and I'm going to make an effort to get it into the calendar
>(unfortunately, at this time, probably just a small pic at the top of a page).
>
>          I am also going to "copy" this mail to the 2 lists. You should get
>quite a few responses. I do not know a lot about American engines but you
>mention that it is a "Bessemer".  Arnie  Fero (a list member) will get
>excited as will many others especially when they see that attached winch!
>
>          To give you an example of how much you can learn from these lists.
>When I joined I had no idea of what a "half breed" engine was but often
>heard the term on the lists. I eventually bucked up the courage to ask. I
>had many replies and Rob Skinner (list member) even posted (snail mail -
>not email) a number of articles explaining that it was an engine originally
>driven by steam but converted to that "new fangled idea" of "internal
>combustion". I mention that because it was Arnie's "Half-Breed" Bessemer
>that prompted my question in the first place.
>
>          Any way, Ive posted your pic here (do not worry, it is not on a
>webpage and there is nothing linking it to you) it's just a pic in the root
>directory of my site on "oldengine.org".
><www.oldengine.org/members/evans/bessemer.jpg>
>
>Keep the revs up (or down)
>Jerry Evans
>Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
><www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Dave Merchant
kosh at nesys.com
nesys_com at ameritech.net
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jan 21 22:33:57 2009
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:33:57 -0800
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar
In-Reply-To: <002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>


On Jan 20, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Mike Royster wrote:

> Oh that's OK, Rob appreciated being upgraded to the cloistered oyster
> Royster status.  Plus doen't that make his engines mine??????



WHAT?  I don't have HAVE a fourteen year old cousin!

Rob

P.S.
Come on over and you can play with any of the engines you want.





From george at irontrader.com  Thu Jan 22 15:23:49 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (george at irontrader.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:23:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp>
	<EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>

Are there systems or network problems with SEL?

I haven't seen any messages from the list today, and only had a few yesterday.

I know that we have a lot fewer people posting messages now, but this  
is really reaching a new low point unless there are technical problems.

George



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Thu Jan 22 15:29:09 2009
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:29:09 -0600
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
References: <59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <ABF5D35C-5A98-4BD6-BD6F-0D7887B2DD34@herculesengines.com>


I just uploaded some additional photos of the barn construction.  The  
caused a few days delay but they plan to finish it tomorrow.  Here are  
the photos:
http://s592.photobucket.com/albums/tt1/KeithKinney/New%20Barn%20January%202009/
Keith


Keith Kinney
kkinney at herculesengines.com
WWW.HerculesEngines.com





From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Thu Jan 22 15:40:13 2009
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:40:13 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>
	<20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
Message-ID: <037a01c97cea$c601d490$8335c53e@doc>

I'm still here....

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> george at irontrader.com
> Sent: 22 January 2009 23:24
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
> 
> Are there systems or network problems with SEL?
> 
> I haven't seen any messages from the list today, and only had 
> a few yesterday.
> 
> I know that we have a lot fewer people posting messages now, 
> but this  
> is really reaching a new low point unless there are technical 
> problems.
> 
> George
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Jan 22 15:39:12 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:39:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>
	<20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

Looks like it is NOT a technical problem.  I just posted the below
message from my home logon and it showed up a few minutes later on my
work computer.

So it looks like we just have lurkers left and no one is posting.

Kind of like the ATIS forums ;-)  We have several hundred members, but
less than a handful of people posting anything.

You can check out the forums at:

http://www.atis.net/forums/index.php

Wonder if the tractor list is also dead?
Kind of a "left behind" feeling where most everyone is gone and you're
wondering what happened.

Oh well......

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
george at irontrader.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:24 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?

Are there systems or network problems with SEL?

I haven't seen any messages from the list today, and only had a few
yesterday.

I know that we have a lot fewer people posting messages now, but this  
is really reaching a new low point unless there are technical problems.

George

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From weolson at wiktel.com  Thu Jan 22 15:43:58 2009
From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:43:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp>
	<EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>
	<20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
Message-ID: <942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com>

Hi George,

Thursday, January 22, 2009, 5:23:49 PM, you wrote:

gic> Are there systems or network problems with SEL?

gic> I haven't seen any messages from the list today, and only had a few yesterday.

gic> I know that we have a lot fewer people posting messages now, but this
gic> is really reaching a new low point unless there are technical problems.

gic> George

gic> _______________________________________________
gic> SEL mailing list
gic> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
gic> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
I got this one and one other today.
I guess everybody is disapointed with and afraid of what our new president might do.

-- 
Thanks,  William                       mailto:weolson at wiktel.com

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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jan 22 15:49:19 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:49:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <ABF5D35C-5A98-4BD6-BD6F-0D7887B2DD34@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <7562A52BAA6340379F2CA8090395EE7E@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Keith,
	I really like the overhanging porch.  I wished I had done that
on my building and the next one I build will have it.  It's a good place
to "play" with stuff, pull under when its raining, etc. Very Nice!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Keith
Kinney
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:29 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away



I just uploaded some additional photos of the barn construction.  The  
caused a few days delay but they plan to finish it tomorrow.  Here are  
the photos:
http://s592.photobucket.com/albums/tt1/KeithKinney/New%20Barn%20January%
202009/
Keith


Keith Kinney
kkinney at herculesengines.com
WWW.HerculesEngines.com



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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Thu Jan 22 15:54:15 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:54:15 +1100
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <ABF5D35C-5A98-4BD6-BD6F-0D7887B2DD34@herculesengines.com>
References: <59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
	<ABF5D35C-5A98-4BD6-BD6F-0D7887B2DD34@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <7213A6E7E94A474A940CEA376FF9921A@KerryPC>

Wow Keith  that's what I call a engine shed, well done


Kerry


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jan 22 15:56:54 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:56:54 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <0C4756472B8040F998F705624489A0E2@PML>

Hi George,
	There is still life here in Oz but it is just too hot to do
anything!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

-----Original Message-----
Looks like it is NOT a technical problem.  I just posted the below
message from my home logon and it showed up a few minutes later on my
work computer.

So it looks like we just have lurkers left and no one is posting.

Kind of like the ATIS forums ;-)  We have several hundred members, but
less than a handful of people posting anything.

You can check out the forums at:

http://www.atis.net/forums/index.php

Wonder if the tractor list is also dead?
Kind of a "left behind" feeling where most everyone is gone and you're
wondering what happened.

Oh well......

George





From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 16:00:41 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:00:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] 2009 calendar --Now Duck or Mixer
Message-ID: <615006.64804.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 It looks like it has been fixed now.
Leona, the seller, was trying to teach a helper and it got messed up.
I noticed the duck was in her Other Items.
She has a lot of stuff on epay right now.
I sent her a nice message and got a very nice thanks back from her.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Wed, 1/21/09, Judge Tommy Turner <Lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:

From: Judge Tommy Turner <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] 2009 calendar
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 10:44 PM

 Wonder if you buy the duck you get the carb or if you buy the carb you
get the duck? See ebay listing number:

370147477890

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Thu Jan 22 16:04:41 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:04:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
	<942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com>
Message-ID: <00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

Not many people left.  I suspect the glory days of stationary engines has 
past, now that the big money boys have driven the price of a lot of engines 
out of the reach of the average collector.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Olson" <weolson at wiktel.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?


> Hi George,
>
> Thursday, January 22, 2009, 5:23:49 PM, you wrote:
>
> gic> Are there systems or network problems with SEL?
>
> gic> I haven't seen any messages from the list today, and only had a few 
> yesterday.
>
> gic> I know that we have a lot fewer people posting messages now, but this
> gic> is really reaching a new low point unless there are technical 
> problems.
>
> gic> George
>
> gic> _______________________________________________
> gic> SEL mailing list
> gic> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> gic> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> I got this one and one other today.
> I guess everybody is disapointed with and afraid of what our new president 
> might do.
>
> -- 
> Thanks,  William                       mailto:weolson at wiktel.com
>
> Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Thu Jan 22 16:11:43 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:11:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<0C4756472B8040F998F705624489A0E2@PML>
Message-ID: <00f701c97cef$2c1ff690$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

Its too cold to do anything here!  Can't get anywhere near the Tod Engine 
due to 12" of snow on the ground.

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?


> Hi George,
> There is still life here in Oz but it is just too hot to do
> anything!
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Looks like it is NOT a technical problem.  I just posted the below
> message from my home logon and it showed up a few minutes later on my
> work computer.
>
> So it looks like we just have lurkers left and no one is posting.
>
> Kind of like the ATIS forums ;-)  We have several hundred members, but
> less than a handful of people posting anything.
>
> You can check out the forums at:
>
> http://www.atis.net/forums/index.php
>
> Wonder if the tractor list is also dead?
> Kind of a "left behind" feeling where most everyone is gone and you're
> wondering what happened.
>
> Oh well......
>
> George
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From glenn.karch at att.net  Thu Jan 22 16:11:25 2009
From: glenn.karch at att.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:11:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
References: <59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
	<ABF5D35C-5A98-4BD6-BD6F-0D7887B2DD34@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <133885.97691.qm@web83713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Keith,

I see an engine over at left that is waiting to get in the barn.

When is the party (with heat)?

Glenn




________________________________
From: Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:29:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away


I just uploaded some additional photos of the barn construction.? The? 
caused a few days delay but they plan to finish it tomorrow.? Here are? 
the photos:
http://s592.photobucket.com/albums/tt1/KeithKinney/New%20Barn%20January%202009/
Keith


Keith Kinney
kkinney at herculesengines.com
WWW.HerculesEngines.com



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From james.kangas at timken.com  Thu Jan 22 16:28:03 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:28:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com>
	<00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>

I agree but I don't think it's just a matter of prices being too high. The skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping away with each new generation.
    Jim

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Tod Engine Foundation
Sent: Thu 1/22/2009 7:04 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?



Not many people left.  I suspect the glory days of stationary engines has
past, now that the big money boys have driven the price of a lot of engines
out of the reach of the average collector.

Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Olson" <weolson at wiktel.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?


> Hi George,
>
> Thursday, January 22, 2009, 5:23:49 PM, you wrote:
>
> gic> Are there systems or network problems with SEL?
>
> gic> I haven't seen any messages from the list today, and only had a few
> yesterday.
>
> gic> I know that we have a lot fewer people posting messages now, but this
> gic> is really reaching a new low point unless there are technical
> problems.
>
> gic> George
>
> gic> _______________________________________________
> gic> SEL mailing list
> gic> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> gic> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> I got this one and one other today.
> I guess everybody is disapointed with and afraid of what our new president
> might do.
>
> --
> Thanks,  William                       mailto:weolson at wiktel.com
>
> Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From james.kangas at timken.com  Thu Jan 22 16:32:09 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:32:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><0C4756472B8040F998F705624489A0E2@PML>
	<00f701c97cef$2c1ff690$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC4@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>

Same here in New England,although it was above freezing today.
    Jim

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Tod Engine Foundation
Sent: Thu 1/22/2009 7:11 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?



Its too cold to do anything here!  Can't get anywhere near the Tod Engine
due to 12" of snow on the ground.

Rick


----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?


> Hi George,
> There is still life here in Oz but it is just too hot to do
> anything!
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Looks like it is NOT a technical problem.  I just posted the below
> message from my home logon and it showed up a few minutes later on my
> work computer.
>
> So it looks like we just have lurkers left and no one is posting.
>
> Kind of like the ATIS forums ;-)  We have several hundred members, but
> less than a handful of people posting anything.
>
> You can check out the forums at:
>
> http://www.atis.net/forums/index.php
>
> Wonder if the tractor list is also dead?
> Kind of a "left behind" feeling where most everyone is gone and you're
> wondering what happened.
>
> Oh well......
>
> George
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jan 22 16:45:40 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:45:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>
	<20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <be9137830773561dfb45814349616bb5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey George,

There's a lot of lively posting over on Slick Willy.  Of course, a lot of it is the
sort of friendly banter that used to appear here before a few whiners pitched such a
hissy-fit about non-engine-related posts.  The REALLY funny thing is that there are
more and more engine related posts on Slick.  It seems that when folks are having
fun together, that damn engine stuff just finds a way to creep in.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Who knows, you might even find yourself enjoying the posts on Slick.
     Wouldn't THAT be a hoot?

On Thu, January 22, 2009 6:39 pm, Best, George wrote:
> Kind of a "left behind" feeling where most everyone is gone and you're
> wondering what happened.
>
> Oh well......
>
> George




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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 22 16:59:51 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:59:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com>
	<00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> 
	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
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Sad but true, Jim. When Mike and I were growing up all our friends built and repaired their own cars, hot rods,appliances, and any machinery that was worn out or needed fixing.  My kids friends don't know how and don't care to know how to fix anything . Most of them couldn't show you  where a spark plug was if their life depended on it. Most high schools don't even have "shop" classes anymore.  The skills are still needed but who is teaching them?  I'm thankful we have a younger generation in the  SEL that is still interested in learning.  Steve, the old fart! > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:28:03 -0500> From: james.kangas at timken.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?> > I agree but I don't think it's just a matter of prices being too high. The skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping away with each new generation.> Jim> > ________________________________> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Tod Engine Foundation> Sent: Thu 1/22/2009 7:04 PM> To: The SEL email discussion list> Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?> > > > Not many people left. I suspect the glory days of stationary engines has> past, now that the big money boys have driven the price of a lot of engines> out of the reach of the average collector.> > Rick> > ----- Original Message -----> From: "William Olson" <weolson at wiktel.com>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:43 PM> Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?> > > > Hi George,> >> > Thursday, January 22, 2009, 5:23:49 PM, you wrote:> >> > gic> Are there systems or network problems with SEL?> >> > gic> I haven't seen any messages from the list today, and only had a few> > yesterday.> >> > gic> I know that we have a lot fewer people posting messages now, but this> > gic> is really reaching a new low point unless there are technical> > problems.> >> > gic> George> >> > gic> _______________________________________________> > gic> SEL mailing list> > gic> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > gic> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > I got this one and one other today.> > I guess everybody is disapointed with and afraid of what our new president> > might do.> >> > --> > Thanks, William mailto:weolson at wiktel.com> >> > Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > > > > > -----------------------------------------> This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or> entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please> do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to> others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message,> and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The> Timken Corporation 
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 17:00:57 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:00:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
Message-ID: <691340.52051.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I?have been watching for the last couple years.
Almost half of the people joining our local club are young.
http://www.buckleyoldengineclub.org/

You must have a sponser and attend two consecutive monthly club meetings to join 
our club.
Seeing all those young folks joining the club is great.

The last remaining founding member of our club passed away in September.
He was there for the September meeting bringing great news.
 He had been working on a guy for over 15 years to get us more property.
He had just made the deal for 66 more attached acres.
He died about three weeks later.
In our November meeting we voted to name the addition after him. 

Alan in Michigan

--- On Thu, 1/22/09, Kangas, James G. <james.kangas at timken.com> wrote:

From: Kangas, James G. <james.kangas at timken.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 7:28 PM

I agree but I don't think it's just a matter of prices being too high. The skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping away with each new generation.
? ? Jim

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Tod Engine Foundation
Sent: Thu 1/22/2009 7:04 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?



Not many people left.? I suspect the glory days of stationary engines has
past, now that the big money boys have driven the price of a lot of engines
out of the reach of the average collector.

Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Olson" <weolson at wiktel.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?


> Hi George,
>
> Thursday, January 22, 2009, 5:23:49 PM, you wrote:
>
> gic> Are there systems or network problems with SEL?
>
> gic> I haven't seen any messages from the list today, and only had a few
> yesterday.
>
> gic> I know that we have a lot fewer people posting messages now, but this
> gic> is really reaching a new low point unless there are technical
> problems.
>
> gic> George
>
> gic> _______________________________________________
> gic> SEL mailing list
> gic> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> gic> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> I got this one and one other today.
> I guess everybody is disapointed with and afraid of what our new president
> might do.
>
> --
> Thanks,? William? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???mailto:weolson at wiktel.com
>
> Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 17:02:50 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:02:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
Message-ID: <1766.49898.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Bummer, Arnie.
What have I been missing.
Please send me a link to Slick.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Thu, 1/22/09, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 7:45 PM

Hey George,

There's a lot of lively posting over on Slick Willy.? Of course, a lot of it is the
sort of friendly banter that used to appear here before a few whiners pitched such a
hissy-fit about non-engine-related posts.? The REALLY funny thing is that there are
more and more engine related posts on Slick.? It seems that when folks are having
fun together, that damn engine stuff just finds a way to creep in.? 8-))

See ya,? Arnie

PS - Who knows, you might even find yourself enjoying the posts on Slick.
? ???Wouldn't THAT be a hoot?

On Thu, January 22, 2009 6:39 pm, Best, George wrote:
> Kind of a "left behind" feeling where most everyone is gone and you're
> wondering what happened.
>
> Oh well......
>
> George




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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Jan 22 17:06:17 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:06:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
Message-ID: <20090122.170618.1696.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 Hi George. I am on three lists, ATIS, SEL and Old Engine.  It was a
little slow yesterday until after 6PM, I got 35 in one batch then more
all evening.  Most from the tractor guys talking about Ford V 10's.  And
a reasonable volume today.  But I don't count the different lists,  just
mix them all together. 
 
Loaded up today to head to the Main Event in Quartzsite tomorrow for the
weekend.

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:23:49 -0700 george at irontrader.com writes:
> Are there systems or network problems with SEL?
> 
> I haven't seen any messages from the list today, and only had a few 
> yesterday.
> 
> I know that we have a lot fewer people posting messages now, but 
> this  
> is really reaching a new low point unless there are technical 
> problems.
> 
> George
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From ddotto at cableone.net  Thu Jan 22 17:36:09 2009
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:36:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <00f701c97cef$2c1ff690$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>	<0C4756472B8040F998F705624489A0E2@PML>
	<00f701c97cef$2c1ff690$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <001601c97cfa$f8602ad0$e9208070$@net>

Hi Rick

Well as long as you aren't working on the Tod engine you can answer a
question for me; I have been wondering why the Tod engine is up on stilts?
Why didn't you set it down on he foundation? I sure there is a good reason.

Dave

P.S. I would still like to have may patterns returned. Thanks



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tod Engine
Foundation
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:12 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?

Its too cold to do anything here!  Can't get anywhere near the Tod Engine 
due to 12" of snow on the ground.

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?


> Hi George,
> There is still life here in Oz but it is just too hot to do
> anything!
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Looks like it is NOT a technical problem.  I just posted the below
> message from my home logon and it showed up a few minutes later on my
> work computer.
>
> So it looks like we just have lurkers left and no one is posting.
>
> Kind of like the ATIS forums ;-)  We have several hundred members, but
> less than a handful of people posting anything.
>
> You can check out the forums at:
>
> http://www.atis.net/forums/index.php
>
> Wonder if the tractor list is also dead?
> Kind of a "left behind" feeling where most everyone is gone and you're
> wondering what happened.
>
> Oh well......
>
> George
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 

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From ddotto at cableone.net  Thu Jan 22 17:39:51 2009
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:39:51 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <be9137830773561dfb45814349616bb5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>	<20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<be9137830773561dfb45814349616bb5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001701c97cfb$7c914320$75b3c960$@net>

Damn 

I guess I need to re-subscribe; would you be so kind to send the subscribe
info.

Thanks a bunch.
Dave


Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:46 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?

Hey George,

There's a lot of lively posting over on Slick Willy.  Of course, a lot of it
is the
sort of friendly banter that used to appear here before a few whiners
pitched such a
hissy-fit about non-engine-related posts.  The REALLY funny thing is that
there are
more and more engine related posts on Slick.  It seems that when folks are
having
fun together, that damn engine stuff just finds a way to creep in.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Who knows, you might even find yourself enjoying the posts on Slick.
     Wouldn't THAT be a hoot?

On Thu, January 22, 2009 6:39 pm, Best, George wrote:
> Kind of a "left behind" feeling where most everyone is gone and you're
> wondering what happened.
>
> Oh well......
>
> George




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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jan 22 18:12:19 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:12:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com><00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
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	<COL112-W5638C5175FA2223B6998B695CF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005301c97d00$05086cc0$66674b47@mikecomp>

Sad but true, I am the youth of the SEL!!!!  Don't worry, i will take good 
care of your engines Steve!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?



Sad but true, Jim. When Mike and I were growing up all our friends built and 
repaired their own cars, hot rods,appliances, and any machinery that was 
worn out or needed fixing.  My kids friends don't know how and don't care to 
know how to fix anything . Most of them couldn't show you  where a spark 
plug was if their life depended on it. Most high schools don't even have 
"shop" classes anymore.  The skills are still needed but who is teaching 
them?  I'm thankful we have a younger generation in the  SEL that is still 
interested in learning.  Steve, the old fart! > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 
19:28:03 -0500> From: james.kangas at timken.com> To: 
sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?> > I 
agree but I don't think it's just a matter of prices being too high. The 
skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping away with 
each new generation.> Jim> > ________________________________> > From: 
sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Tod Engine Foundation> 
Sent: Thu 1/22/2009 7:04 PM> To: The SEL email discussion list> Subject: Re: 
[SEL] Where is everyone?> > > > Not many people left. I suspect the glory 
days of stationary engines has> past, now that the big money boys have 
driven the price of a lot of engines> out of the reach of the average 
collector.> > Rick> > ----- Original Message -----> From: "William Olson" 
<weolson at wiktel.com>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:43 PM> 
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?> > > > Hi George,> >> > Thursday, 
January 22, 2009, 5:23:49 PM, you wrote:> >> > gic> Are there systems or 
network problems with SEL?> >> > gic> I haven't seen any messages from the 
list today, and only had a few> > yesterday.> >> > gic> I know that we have 
a lot fewer people posting messages now, but this> > gic> is really reaching 
a new low point unless there are technical> > problems.> >> > gic> George> 
 >> > gic> _______________________________________________> > gic> SEL 
mailing list> > gic> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > gic> 
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > I got this one and 
one other today.> > I guess everybody is disapointed with and afraid of what 
our new president> > might do.> >> > --> > Thanks, William 
mailto:weolson at wiktel.com> >> > Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus> > 
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jan 22 17:52:46 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:52:46 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
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Wimp!  Too long in UK?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?


> Hi George,
> There is still life here in Oz but it is just too hot to do
> anything!
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> Looks like it is NOT a technical problem.  I just posted the below
> message from my home logon and it showed up a few minutes later on my
> work computer.
> 
> So it looks like we just have lurkers left and no one is posting.
> 
> Kind of like the ATIS forums ;-)  We have several hundred members, but
> less than a handful of people posting anything.
> 
> You can check out the forums at:
> 
> http://www.atis.net/forums/index.php
> 
> Wonder if the tractor list is also dead?
> Kind of a "left behind" feeling where most everyone is gone and you're
> wondering what happened.
> 
> Oh well......
> 
> George
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From james.kangas at timken.com  Thu Jan 22 18:24:48 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:24:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <691340.52051.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC5@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>

I agree that there are regions in the U.S. where the art and mystery of things mechanical does survive but in general the skills and interest are in decline.
    Jim

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Alan
Sent: Thu 1/22/2009 8:00 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?



I have been watching for the last couple years.
Almost half of the people joining our local club are young.
http://www.buckleyoldengineclub.org/

You must have a sponser and attend two consecutive monthly club meetings to join
our club.
Seeing all those young folks joining the club is great.

The last remaining founding member of our club passed away in September.
He was there for the September meeting bringing great news.
 He had been working on a guy for over 15 years to get us more property.
He had just made the deal for 66 more attached acres.
He died about three weeks later.
In our November meeting we voted to name the addition after him.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Thu, 1/22/09, Kangas, James G. <james.kangas at timken.com> wrote:

From: Kangas, James G. <james.kangas at timken.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 7:28 PM

I agree but I don't think it's just a matter of prices being too high. The skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping away with each new generation.
    Jim

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Tod Engine Foundation
Sent: Thu 1/22/2009 7:04 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?



Not many people left.  I suspect the glory days of stationary engines has
past, now that the big money boys have driven the price of a lot of engines
out of the reach of the average collector.

Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Olson" <weolson at wiktel.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?


> Hi George,
>
> Thursday, January 22, 2009, 5:23:49 PM, you wrote:
>
> gic> Are there systems or network problems with SEL?
>
> gic> I haven't seen any messages from the list today, and only had a few
> yesterday.
>
> gic> I know that we have a lot fewer people posting messages now, but this
> gic> is really reaching a new low point unless there are technical
> problems.
>
> gic> George
>
> gic> _______________________________________________
> gic> SEL mailing list
> gic> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> gic> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> I got this one and one other today.
> I guess everybody is disapointed with and afraid of what our new president
> might do.
>
> --
> Thanks,  William                       mailto:weolson at wiktel.com
>
> Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus
> _______________________________________________
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jan 22 19:24:58 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:24:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
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Arnie, you said it exactly.
As the 'serious' element of a list comes to the fore, the banter, laughs,
minor stick poking, etc. slowly but surely dies away.
Then, in my opinion, rigor mortis is not far off. Any list needs to have 
life. at any engine event, how much is total 'enginetalk'?
For me too,Slick could do it all.
At least on Old Eng Org, I can put up some pics without having to use an 
advert loaded photo site.
Thus, apart from some answers, I dont add much to ATIS.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?


> Hey George,
>
> There's a lot of lively posting over on Slick Willy.  Of course, a lot of 
> it is the
> sort of friendly banter that used to appear here before a few whiners 
> pitched such a
> hissy-fit about non-engine-related posts.  The REALLY funny thing is that 
> there are
> more and more engine related posts on Slick.  It seems that when folks are 
> having
> fun together, that damn engine stuff just finds a way to creep in.  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - Who knows, you might even find yourself enjoying the posts on Slick.
>     Wouldn't THAT be a hoot?
>
> On Thu, January 22, 2009 6:39 pm, Best, George wrote:
>> Kind of a "left behind" feeling where most everyone is gone and you're
>> wondering what happened.
>>
>> Oh well......
>>
>> George
>
>
>
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Thu Jan 22 19:40:36 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:40:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>	<0C4756472B8040F998F705624489A0E2@PML><00f701c97cef$2c1ff690$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
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Message-ID: <015c01c97d0c$5a993780$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

The area between the bottom of the bedplates and the top of the concrete pad 
is to be filled with 17,000 lbs. of rebar and 160 yards of concrete once I 
get $40,000 to do it.  I set the engine up so that it could be assembled 
before the permanent foundation was put in.  A bit backwards but it works.

I think I'll have to send the patterns in several boxes.  I'll try to get 
the first couple off to you soon.

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Otto" <ddotto at cableone.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?


> Hi Rick
>
> Well as long as you aren't working on the Tod engine you can answer a
> question for me; I have been wondering why the Tod engine is up on stilts?
> Why didn't you set it down on he foundation? I sure there is a good 
> reason.
>
> Dave
>
> P.S. I would still like to have may patterns returned. Thanks
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tod Engine
> Foundation
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:12 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?
>
> Its too cold to do anything here!  Can't get anywhere near the Tod Engine
> due to 12" of snow on the ground.
>
> Rick
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?
>
>
>> Hi George,
>> There is still life here in Oz but it is just too hot to do
>> anything!
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Looks like it is NOT a technical problem.  I just posted the below
>> message from my home logon and it showed up a few minutes later on my
>> work computer.
>>
>> So it looks like we just have lurkers left and no one is posting.
>>
>> Kind of like the ATIS forums ;-)  We have several hundred members, but
>> less than a handful of people posting anything.
>>
>> You can check out the forums at:
>>
>> http://www.atis.net/forums/index.php
>>
>> Wonder if the tractor list is also dead?
>> Kind of a "left behind" feeling where most everyone is gone and you're
>> wondering what happened.
>>
>> Oh well......
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 01:20:22 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:20:22 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp>
	<EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>
	<20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
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On 22/01/2009, george at irontrader.com <george at irontrader.com> wrote:
> Are there systems or network problems with SEL?
>
> I haven't seen any messages from the list today, and only had a few
> yesterday.
>
> I know that we have a lot fewer people posting messages now, but this
> is really reaching a new low point unless there are technical problems.
>
> George
>

There are a lot more sites and forums now than when the lists
originally started, and possibly there is less to talk about these
days than then?  With so many engine-related 'personal' websites with
engine information available, and Google to search for them, there is
less need to ask questions now.

I still get a regular flow of traffic from our websites, and I am in
contact with many of the guys directly anyway, plus we have had the
house rebuild going on over the last two months (now finished)

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 01:22:17 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:22:17 +0000
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <ABF5D35C-5A98-4BD6-BD6F-0D7887B2DD34@herculesengines.com>
References: <59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
	<ABF5D35C-5A98-4BD6-BD6F-0D7887B2DD34@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901230122y2180e98ftb8761066aed24309@mail.gmail.com>

On 22/01/2009, Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com> wrote:
>
> I just uploaded some additional photos of the barn construction.  The
> caused a few days delay but they plan to finish it tomorrow.  Here are
> the photos:

Jeez! that's bigger than our factory! AND our house!

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Jan 23 03:34:16 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:34:16 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
Message-ID: <20090123113417.969B190B05@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>

G'day all in engine land! Well to say it's hot is quiet an 
understatement! But never feer, I have had way to many hot days in 
the shed so we now have the big mother of all air conditioners in the 
work shop so a pussy 42 degree day is NO EXCUSE!  (YES WE CAN)  !!! :-)

So ..... I found some spare time and had my darling wife help me (Yes 
it's true) thread some 1 1/4 in pipe for the cooling system on the 
campbell. I needed to get it done so I could run it again. Anyway we 
are getting real close for party time at the national Folks! All them 
who wish to see may take a peak on my webshot @: 
http://community.webshots.com/album/561752495RfcIse  Only a couple 
more pics there but the old girl is running again. Starts very easy 
now and is really getting some good compression up.

enjoy, Russell



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jan 23 04:07:09 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:07:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
In-Reply-To: <20090123113417.969B190B05@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
References: <20090123113417.969B190B05@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <08DCEFB0E94745C389FE655C906D92B4@PML>

It is looking pretty good Russell. It will be a nice display at the national
rally.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html


-----Original Message-----
G'day all in engine land! Well to say it's hot is quiet an 
understatement! But never feer, I have had way to many hot days in 
the shed so we now have the big mother of all air conditioners in the 
work shop so a pussy 42 degree day is NO EXCUSE!  (YES WE CAN)  !!! :-)

So ..... I found some spare time and had my darling wife help me (Yes 
it's true) thread some 1 1/4 in pipe for the cooling system on the 
campbell. I needed to get it done so I could run it again. Anyway we 
are getting real close for party time at the national Folks! All them 
who wish to see may take a peak on my webshot @: 
http://community.webshots.com/album/561752495RfcIse  Only a couple 
more pics there but the old girl is running again. Starts very easy 
now and is really getting some good compression up.

enjoy, Russell





From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jan 23 05:25:25 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:25:25 EST
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
Message-ID: <c68.444cfdc1.36ab1f45@aol.com>

Well, I have been lurking lately, but lots of things to occupy my time like  
most of us.  From November thru February I have a great  time rabbit hunting 
with my beagles.  They sure like to get out and  run and it is a lot of fun 
watching the young dogs learn to hunt.  Millie  says I like to take my dogs out 
so much that if she should pass away during this  time, she would have to be 
put in cold storage until the season is over to  receive a proper burial!  Ha!
 
On topic though I recently was contacted by an Amish man to come and get an  
engine started he had recently acquired. He lived about an hour away and  had 
found out about me thru a mutual acquaintance.  Turned out the engine  was in 
fairly good condition and I had it running in a couple of hours by  
make-shifting some stuff.  I took a bunch of parts off and brought them  home to 
properly fix them, like rebuild mag, machine a new governor spindle,  rebuild carb 
pump, etc.  I went back and reassembled and showed him how to  start and run it. 
 He was very pleased as some of his fellow Amish  neighbors said it would 
never run, but they did not know anything about the old  engines, nor the 
persistence of the person that came to fix it!  Thanks to  Glenn for sending me some 
information on the carb which I had not dealt with  before.
 
It is a 5 hp Hercules, throttle governed, kerosene, Webster mag.  Not  sure 
if the cart is original to it, but it has been on it for a long time.   He had 
purchased it for the unheard of price of $50.  I should have told  him his 
neighbors were right about never running and that it was junk and  offered to 
double his money!
 
Pictures at:
 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Herc1.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Herc1.jpg) 
 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Herc2.jpg   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jan 23 07:52:49 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:52:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <ABF5D35C-5A98-4BD6-BD6F-0D7887B2DD34@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKDHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Keith:

Don't dispose of the blue tarps!  You'll need 'em when you get the porch area filled-up and have overflow into the field.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Keith
> Kinney
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 05:29 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: Re: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
> 
> 
> 
> I just uploaded some additional photos of the 
> barn construction.  The  
> caused a few days delay but they plan to finish 
> it tomorrow.  Here are  
> the photos:
> http://s592.photobucket.com/albums/tt1/KeithKinney
/New%20Barn%20January%202009/
Keith




From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jan 23 07:58:42 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:58:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEKEHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Rick:

Agreed!

The same thing happened to the antique car hobby.  In the '50's, when I got into that hobby, it was fun.  Although there were a few doctors, lawyers and indian chiefs in it, we all had fun with whatever we had.

THEN, everybody got too serious about it and the money guys entered and I got out.  I don't think it will happen to me here in the rust hobby because I can be happy with a few rustaholic friends and in my shop, piddling with my little projects.

Sure - I'd love to have something like a nice slide valve Otto but that's never gonna happen.  I could never afford ohnje even if I could find one for sale.  I want an Otto, I can just design and build a little one.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Tod Engine
> Foundation
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 06:05 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?
> 
> 
> Not many people left.  I suspect the glory days 
> of stationary engines has 
> past, now that the big money boys have driven the 
> price of a lot of engines 
> out of the reach of the average collector.
> 
> Rick




From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jan 23 08:48:28 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:48:28 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
In-Reply-To: <20090123113417.969B190B05@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEKGHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Russell:

Hot dang!  Looks like you've got 'er runnin'.

Keep up the good work!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Russell
> Gilbert
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 05:34 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
> 
> 
> G'day all in engine land! Well to say it's hot is 
> quiet an 
> understatement! But never feer, I have had way to 
> many hot days in 
> the shed so we now have the big mother of all air 
> conditioners in the 
> work shop so a pussy 42 degree day is NO EXCUSE!  
> (YES WE CAN)  !!! :-)
> 
> So ..... I found some spare time and had my 
> darling wife help me (Yes 
> it's true) thread some 1 1/4 in pipe for the 
> cooling system on the 
> campbell. I needed to get it done so I could run 
> it again. Anyway we 
> are getting real close for party time at the 
> national Folks! All them 
> who wish to see may take a peak on my webshot @: 
> http://community.webshots.com/album/561752495RfcIs
e  Only a couple 
more pics there but the old girl is running again. Starts very easy 
now and is really getting some good compression up.

enjoy, Russell




From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jan 23 07:50:14 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:50:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
Message-ID: <20090123.110113.1392.12.jlb94>

Hi List,

Well - - - I finally did it.  Ignored the advise of others and never
thought it would get cold enough in my garage to freeze the water in the
engines.

With this cold snap ( minus 8? ) the water in my Jaeger 2? HP S froze and
cracked the head.

There is a crack on the left side about 2" long from the surface of the
head to the front.

Can anyone give me any ideas as to what to do to fix or replace the head
?

Any experiences, methods or procedures with welding - Brazing - or - even
"maybe" J B Weld ?

I'm sick about it because it could've been avoided if I'd only drained
the engines before winter.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 23 08:33:22 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:33:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
In-Reply-To: <20090123.110113.1392.12.jlb94>
References: <20090123.110113.1392.12.jlb94>
Message-ID: <COL112-W5318EDD53D25B20E9599FA95CF0@phx.gbl>


Hi Joe,  Over the years I've had heads that have been cracked and  successfully repaired with the following. Welding with a nickle alloy rod, Brazing, Heating and filling the crack with lead solder, and even a few with the JB weld.  It mostly depends on the skill of the welder and where the crack is. Any chance of seeing pictures, then I'm sure someone on the list could recommend a good repair choice. Sorry to hear about the crack, I'm checking my water hoppers right now!  Steve
 
 
 
 
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:50:14 -0500> From: jlb94 at juno.com> Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head> > Hi List,> > Well - - - I finally did it. Ignored the advise of others and never> thought it would get cold enough in my garage to freeze the water in the> engines.> > With this cold snap ( minus 8? ) the water in my Jaeger 2? HP S froze and> cracked the head.> > There is a crack on the left side about 2" long from the surface of the> head to the front.> > Can anyone give me any ideas as to what to do to fix or replace the head> ?> > Any experiences, methods or procedures with welding - Brazing - or - even> "maybe" J B Weld ?> > I'm sick about it because it could've been avoided if I'd only drained> the engines before winter.> > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz> ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz> \/)"(\/ " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - > (_o_) Remove large pumpkin colored highway signs.> ____________________________________________________________> Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project.> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2eRIKvFIBialYqLsV2iT5uDBwYVFqoVRjPx5HSeZAQem1Kl/> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 23 08:35:24 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:35:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
In-Reply-To: <20090123113417.969B190B05@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
References: <20090123113417.969B190B05@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <COL112-W114089F0FFB4A9A6862C1E95CF0@phx.gbl>


Hi Russell, That's a beauty for sure. I looks like the water tank is a section of road culvert pipe, can you buy a cap for the bottom of these or did you fabricate one? Thanks Steve
 
 
 
 
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:34:16 +1100> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: russell at ncable.com.au> Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's> > G'day all in engine land! Well to say it's hot is quiet an > understatement! But never feer, I have had way to many hot days in > the shed so we now have the big mother of all air conditioners in the > work shop so a pussy 42 degree day is NO EXCUSE! (YES WE CAN) !!! :-)> > So ..... I found some spare time and had my darling wife help me (Yes > it's true) thread some 1 1/4 in pipe for the cooling system on the > campbell. I needed to get it done so I could run it again. Anyway we > are getting real close for party time at the national Folks! All them > who wish to see may take a peak on my webshot @: > http://community.webshots.com/album/561752495RfcIse Only a couple > more pics there but the old girl is running again. Starts very easy > now and is really getting some good compression up.> > enjoy, Russell> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 23 09:03:07 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:03:07 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
In-Reply-To: <20090123.110113.1392.12.jlb94>
References: <20090123.110113.1392.12.jlb94>
Message-ID: <BLU135-W376FA1E604135462F8E95BC8CF0@phx.gbl>


Hey Joe,
 
It happened to me a couple years ago. Forgot I had water in a 5hp Sattley. The head was already brazed up from a previous freezing incident from someone else. For my fix I used some welding rod I think it was called weld mold 706 for welding cast iron. No preheat. I just welded little bits at a time. 3/4 to 1" then let it cool to the touch. I haven't run the engine or put water in it since it has been welded but it looks real nice and I have no reason to believe that it won't hold water.


Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA





----------------------------------------
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:50:14 -0500
> From: jlb94 at juno.com
> Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
>
> Hi List,
>
> Well - - - I finally did it. Ignored the advise of others and never
> thought it would get cold enough in my garage to freeze the water in the
> engines.
>
> With this cold snap ( minus 8? ) the water in my Jaeger 2? HP S froze and
> cracked the head.
>
> There is a crack on the left side about 2" long from the surface of the
> head to the front.
>
> Can anyone give me any ideas as to what to do to fix or replace the head
> ?
>
> Any experiences, methods or procedures with welding - Brazing - or - even
> "maybe" J B Weld ?
>
> I'm sick about it because it could've been avoided if I'd only drained
> the engines before winter.
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/ " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" -
> (_o_) Remove large pumpkin colored highway signs.
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jan 23 09:32:08 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:32:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W5318EDD53D25B20E9599FA95CF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <95E25ADBD55B4871A3033EB7DC1DBAAE@tommyd0x52gkco>

In regards to the cracked head I almost had the same thing happen to me.
There was some discussion on Smokstak around early Dec. about engines
sweating when the temperature changes.  Late that evening I walked up to
the barn to get something and thought I would look at some old iron to
see if it was sweating.  Everything looked pretty good except I noticed
the cooling tank on the Miami had water beaded up all over it.  I
couldn't figure out what was going on until I got up next to it and
noticed that the tank was about 3/4 full of water.  Then I remembered
that I had taken it to the East TN Crankup in early June and had never
drained it.  Boy, was I lucky!  We had had some cold weather but not
enough to freeze the water.  The engine sits in an insulated building
and it has to stay below freezing for several days to get below freezing
inside.  Last week we had 4 days below 32, 2 when the temp never got
above 12 degrees.  It would have surely cracked then.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Royster
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:33 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head


Hi Joe,  Over the years I've had heads that have been cracked and
successfully repaired with the following. Welding with a nickle alloy
rod, Brazing, Heating and filling the crack with lead solder, and even a
few with the JB weld.  It mostly depends on the skill of the welder and
where the crack is. Any chance of seeing pictures, then I'm sure someone
on the list could recommend a good repair choice. Sorry to hear about
the crack, I'm checking my water hoppers right now!  Steve
 
 




From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Jan 23 09:44:34 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:44:34 EST
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
Message-ID: <cd4.4371f04e.36ab5c02@aol.com>

Joe,
 
I would clean out the crack with a die grinder and use JB Weld in it.   I 
have done this on several heads with good results heating them up to boiling  and 
never leaked.  Think of it this way, if it does not work, you have lost  
nothing since you just clean it out again and then have it welded.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
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From glenn.karch at att.net  Fri Jan 23 09:49:03 2009
From: glenn.karch at att.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:49:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <c68.444cfdc1.36ab1f45@aol.com>
Message-ID: <476049.87127.qm@web83708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi Tom and others.

It looks like it is mounted an original Hercules straight frame cart.? You need to be careful, you may have 
Amishmen lining up to have their engines repaired.

Glenn




________________________________
From: "Germoamer at aol.com" <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:25:25 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?

Well, I have been lurking lately, but lots of things to occupy my time like? 
most of us.? From November thru February I have a great? time rabbit hunting 
with my beagles.? They sure like to get out and? run and it is a lot of fun 
watching the young dogs learn to hunt.? Millie? says I like to take my dogs out 
so much that if she should pass away during this? time, she would have to be 
put in cold storage until the season is over to? receive a proper burial!? Ha!

On topic though I recently was contacted by an Amish man to come and get an? 
engine started he had recently acquired. He lived about an hour away and? had 
found out about me thru a mutual acquaintance.? Turned out the engine? was in 
fairly good condition and I had it running in a couple of hours by? 
make-shifting some stuff.? I took a bunch of parts off and brought them? home to 
properly fix them, like rebuild mag, machine a new governor spindle,? rebuild carb 
pump, etc.? I went back and reassembled and showed him how to? start and run it. 
He was very pleased as some of his fellow Amish? neighbors said it would 
never run, but they did not know anything about the old? engines, nor the 
persistence of the person that came to fix it!? Thanks to? Glenn for sending me some 
information on the carb which I had not dealt with? before.

It is a 5 hp Hercules, throttle governed, kerosene, Webster mag.? Not? sure 
if the cart is original to it, but it has been on it for a long time.? He had 
purchased it for the unheard of price of $50.? I should have told? him his 
neighbors were right about never running and that it was junk and? offered to 
double his money!

Pictures at:


_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Herc1.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Herc1.jpg) 


_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/Herc2.jpg? 

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Concord,? Va.
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From glenn.karch at att.net  Fri Jan 23 09:52:19 2009
From: glenn.karch at att.net (Glenn Karch)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:52:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
References: <20090123.110113.1392.12.jlb94>
Message-ID: <837978.83464.qm@web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Joe,

I would "V" out the crack a little and use JB Weld on it.? If that doesn't work, then you can go to other options.

Glenn




________________________________
From: jlb94 <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:50:14 AM
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head

Hi List,

Well - - - I finally did it.? Ignored the advise of others and never
thought it would get cold enough in my garage to freeze the water in the
engines.

With this cold snap ( minus 8? ) the water in my Jaeger 2? HP S froze and
cracked the head.

There is a crack on the left side about 2" long from the surface of the
head to the front.

Can anyone give me any ideas as to what to do to fix or replace the head
?

Any experiences, methods or procedures with welding - Brazing - or - even
"maybe" J B Weld ?

I'm sick about it because it could've been avoided if I'd only drained
the engines before winter.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
? ,-._,-.? ? ? http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
? \/)"(\/? ? ? " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - 
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From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 23 10:08:40 2009
From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:08:40 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
In-Reply-To: <837978.83464.qm@web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <20090123.110113.1392.12.jlb94>
	<837978.83464.qm@web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY121-W2421E8C5B115AD30B058F5D0CF0@phx.gbl>


We're telling you to JB it Joe. It's great stuff,never had a problem with it in the right situation. John> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:52:19 -0800> From: glenn.karch at att.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head> > Joe,> > I would "V" out the crack a little and use JB Weld on it.  If that doesn't work, then you can go to other options.> > Glenn> > > > > ________________________________> From: jlb94 <jlb94 at juno.com>> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:50:14 AM> Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head> > Hi List,> > Well - - - I finally did it.  Ignored the advise of others and never> thought it would get cold enough in my garage to freeze the water in the> engines.> > With this cold snap ( minus 8? ) the water in my Jaeger 2? HP S froze and> cracked the head.> > There is a crack on the left side about 2" long from the surface of the> head to the front.> > Can anyone give me any ideas as to what to do to fix or replace the head> ?> > Any experiences, methods or procedures with welding - Brazing - or - even> "maybe" J B Weld ?> > I'm sick about it because it could've been avoided if I'd only drained> the engines before winter.> > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz>   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz>   \/)"(\/      " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - >   (_o_)        Remove large pumpkin colored highway signs.> ____________________________________________________________> Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project.> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2eRIKvFIBialYqLsV2iT5uDBwYVFqoVRjPx5HSeZAQem1Kl/> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Jan 23 10:31:21 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:31:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <00f701c97cef$2c1ff690$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC2C74@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><0C4756472B8040F998F705624489A0E2@PML>
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"Its too cold to do anything here!  Can't get anywhere near the Tod
Engine 
due to 12" of snow on the ground.  Rick"

"There is still life here in Oz but it is just too hot to do anything!
Patrick M Livingstone"

Seems to me that if it is too hot or too cold to be working, it would be
a good time to be on the computer ;-)

I suppose yesterday I was just noticing that it was a very quite day.

Glad to see we still have people out there.

George


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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 23 10:37:51 2009
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:37:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
References: <95E25ADBD55B4871A3033EB7DC1DBAAE@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <007701c97d89$b3313d70$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

 Depending on the intended use , you can also make a head gasket with only 
one big hole in the middle ......and yer off ! 



From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Jan 23 10:41:53 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:41:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Skills
In-Reply-To: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com><00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
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"The skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping
away with each new generation. Jim"

It does seem that fewer and fewer people have the skills to repair
things.  The other day a co-worker brought in the top from a seltzer
bottle with a bad seal.  He knew I worked on things and he couldn't get
a part taken off.

I looked at it and noticed some internal threads so it was obvious that
the part screwed in and just needed a simple tool to unscrew it.  I took
it home and probably didn't take me a minute to have it apart.  I then
made a quick tool for him out of a 3 cent flat washer with a few notches
cut in it.

He was thrilled and is buying me lunch next week for helping him!

Guess I should be glad there are people that need my help, but at the
same time it does make you wonder how many people in the future will be
able to fix things after we're gone.

George  


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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jan 23 11:00:14 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:00:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <49795EFF.2040802@gmail.com>
References: <49795EFF.2040802@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9dd9dacc3462e0fc69a3813262100da6.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Jim,

You hit on one of my main reasons for going to small local, fair type shows.  You
get an opportunity to reach young kids who have no clue what engines are all about. 
In five minutes with an open crank engine, the kid really UNDERSTANDS it.

When I was a kid my dad would lift the hood on the family car and we'd discuss how
all the bits worked.  Eventually I got my hands on one of the simple old B&S
lawnmower engines and my buddies and I made a motor wagon.  That poor ol' engine was
taken apart and reassembled so many times it was nearly worn out from THAT activity.

Later I got my own car, a cheap clunker that also received a LOT of work.

Trouble is today with all the electronic gizmos you lift the hood you can't even see
the bloody engine, let alone work on it.  Same goes for the lawnmowers.  A kid just
doesn't have the same opportunity to learn.

See ya,  Arnie

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> I agree that there are regions in the U.S. where the art and mystery of things
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From George_Best at adp.com  Fri Jan 23 11:11:42 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:11:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
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-----Original Message-----

Trouble is today with all the electronic gizmos you lift the hood you
can't even see
the bloody engine, let alone work on it.  Same goes for the lawnmowers.
A kid just
doesn't have the same opportunity to learn.

See ya,  Arnie
---------------------------

Arnie,

I agree.  Today's car engines are not as user friendly as the old ones.
Other than simple maintenance I don't work on my cars anymore.  I do
some on the Cummins 24v but changing injectors and fuel pumps on an
inline six is a lot easier than working on the V8 diesels.

So many of todays products are just replaced when they fail rather than
repaired.  I think that also plays a role in people not learning how to
fix things.

George


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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jan 23 11:52:33 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 06:52:33 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
References: <20090123.110113.1392.12.jlb94>
Message-ID: <04EEB7C4F3E3405E82130EC18A467CF5@REG>

Bummer mate.
We dont have that problem. Ours just boil...... even when not running 
lately!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jlb94" <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:50 AM
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head


Hi List,

Well - - - I finally did it.  Ignored the advise of others and never
thought it would get cold enough in my garage to freeze the water in the
engines.

With this cold snap ( minus 8? ) the water in my Jaeger 2? HP S froze and
cracked the head.

There is a crack on the left side about 2" long from the surface of the
head to the front.

Can anyone give me any ideas as to what to do to fix or replace the head
?

Any experiences, methods or procedures with welding - Brazing - or - even
"maybe" J B Weld ?

I'm sick about it because it could've been avoided if I'd only drained
the engines before winter.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" -
   (_o_)        Remove large pumpkin colored highway signs.
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jan 23 13:06:07 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:06:07 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
In-Reply-To: <BAY121-W2421E8C5B115AD30B058F5D0CF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEKLHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

The only things I would add about JB Weld (or Devcon or Belzona) is to make sure the surfaces of the Vee'd crack are extra super clean, clean, clean.

Don't get the edges where you want adhesion too smooth.  You want it a little rough in order to make a good mechanical bond.

Added insurance would be to warm the head with a torch to drive out any moisture that's lurking in the grain of the iron.  Apply the epoxy while the head is around 100 degrees so it will flow into the surface.

Take care - Elden (been there, done that)
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of john palmer
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:09 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head
> 
> 
> 
> We're telling you to JB it Joe. It's great 
> stuff,never had a problem with it in the right 
> situation.




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jan 23 12:34:13 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:34:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEKLHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <469C679256AB4D04889A897D1F05CB01@tommyd0x52gkco>

Eldon,
	That's a good point.  A little heat will make the epoxy suck
into the crack.  But, if a little heat is used then its probably best
not to use the JB Quick formula.  It sets up in about 5 minutes under
normal (75 degree) temps.  Adding heat can make it set almost on
contact.  I've had great luck with JB Weld and if its just a matter of
stopping a seeping crack on the exterior of a cylinder or head, I'd
prefer it over the other choices (welding or brazing).

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



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From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden
DuRand
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 4:06 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head

The only things I would add about JB Weld (or Devcon or Belzona) is to
make sure the surfaces of the Vee'd crack are extra super clean, clean,
clean.

Don't get the edges where you want adhesion too smooth.  You want it a
little rough in order to make a good mechanical bond.

Added insurance would be to warm the head with a torch to drive out any
moisture that's lurking in the grain of the iron.  Apply the epoxy while
the head is around 100 degrees so it will flow into the surface.

Take care - Elden (been there, done that)
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

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>  Behalf Of john palmer
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:09 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head
> 
> 
> 
> We're telling you to JB it Joe. It's great 
> stuff,never had a problem with it in the right 
> situation.


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From james.kangas at timken.com  Fri Jan 23 12:51:39 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:51:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <49795EFF.2040802@gmail.com>
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Hi Ernie,
     You're right and that's why I love pre WW I technology. It's open,accessable,teachable,and understandable to anyone willing to put a little effort in  to it.
You're luckily to have a Dad like you did. Mine despite being raised on a farm was not mechanically inclined and in fact seemed to disdain those that were. So I was left to my own devices. In the '60s they were building the Inter-State near my home and I learned that really big machines could be started with a really small button.When no one was around of course.
    Jim

________________________________

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Sent: Fri 1/23/2009 2:00 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?



Hi Jim,

You hit on one of my main reasons for going to small local, fair type shows.  You
get an opportunity to reach young kids who have no clue what engines are all about.
In five minutes with an open crank engine, the kid really UNDERSTANDS it.

When I was a kid my dad would lift the hood on the family car and we'd discuss how
all the bits worked.  Eventually I got my hands on one of the simple old B&S
lawnmower engines and my buddies and I made a motor wagon.  That poor ol' engine was
taken apart and reassembled so many times it was nearly worn out from THAT activity.

Later I got my own car, a cheap clunker that also received a LOT of work.

Trouble is today with all the electronic gizmos you lift the hood you can't even see
the bloody engine, let alone work on it.  Same goes for the lawnmowers.  A kid just
doesn't have the same opportunity to learn.

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, January 22, 2009 9:24 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote:
> I agree that there are regions in the U.S. where the art and mystery of things
> mechanical does survive but in general the skills and interest are in decline.




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From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Jan 23 13:00:42 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:00:42 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
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Steve the tank is fabricated from corrugated 
roofing iron. The top and bottom are just sheet 
metal cut and rolled and soldered on/in. I 
decided to go with one of these tanks after 
seeing them at the Wagga Rally last year.
Russell


At 03:35 AM 24/01/2009, you wrote:

>Hi Russell, That's a beauty for sure. I looks 
>like the water tank is a section of road culvert 
>pipe, can you buy a cap for the bottom of these 
>or did you fabricate one? Thanks Steve
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:34:16 +1100> To: 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: 
> russell at ncable.com.au> Subject: [SEL] Campbell 
> pic's> > G'day all in engine land! Well to say 
> it's hot is quiet an > understatement! But 
> never feer, I have had way to many hot days 
> in > the shed so we now have the big mother of 
> all air conditioners in the > work shop so a 
> pussy 42 degree day is NO EXCUSE! (YES WE CAN) 
> !!! :-)> > So ..... I found some spare time and 
> had my darling wife help me (Yes > it's true) 
> thread some 1 1/4 in pipe for the cooling 
> system on the > campbell. I needed to get it 
> done so I could run it again. Anyway we > are 
> getting real close for party time at the 
> national Folks! All them > who wish to see may 
> take a peak on my webshot @: > 
> http://community.webshots.com/album/561752495RfcIse 
> Only a couple > more pics there but the old 
> girl is running again. Starts very easy > now 
> and is really getting some good compression 
> up.> > enjoy, Russell> > 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jan 23 13:15:19 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:15:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
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Hi Jim,

My dad was a machinist and did teach me a lot.  Sadly, I also ignored a lot of what
he was trying to teach me when I was in my teens.  I knew it all.  Now, later in
life, owning a home, I sure do wish I had paid closer attention to the home
maintenance tips & tricks he was trying to teach me.

I too had some experience with that "little button" on a dozer (also in the 60's). 
My buddies and I would go play on the machinery where they were putting in a road
and a housing plan.  We never started anything, but we did manage to "drive" them a
number of feet on the starter motor.  We heard later that the cops were looking for
whoever it was who had burned out the starter motor, clutch, etc.  BIG BUKS repair I
heard.  8->>>

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, January 23, 2009 3:51 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote:
>      You're right and that's why I love pre WW I technology. It's
> open,accessable,teachable,and understandable to anyone willing to put a little
> effort in  to it.
> You're luckily to have a Dad like you did. Mine despite being raised on a farm was
> not mechanically inclined and in fact seemed to disdain those that were. So I was
> left to my own devices. In the '60s they were building the Inter-State near my home
> and I learned that really big machines could be started with a really small
> button.When no one was around of course.



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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jan 23 13:19:01 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:19:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
In-Reply-To: <20090123210042.53E2121C85A@gex-cn01.gex.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <F5AA036B7DB6462F8B261F867BCA744F@tommyd0x52gkco>

Russell,
	I want to see that Campbell run.  Post us a video on Youtube.

Tommy




>
> > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:34:16 +1100> To: 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: 
> russell at ncable.com.au> Subject: [SEL] Campbell 
> pic's> > G'day all in engine land! Well to say 
> it's hot is quiet an > understatement! But 
> never feer, I have had way to many hot days 
> in > the shed so we now have the big mother of 
> all air conditioners in the > work shop so a 
> pussy 42 degree day is NO EXCUSE! (YES WE CAN) 
> !!! :-)> > So ..... I found some spare time and 
> had my darling wife help me (Yes > it's true) 
> thread some 1 1/4 in pipe for the cooling 
> system on the > campbell. I needed to get it 
> done so I could run it again. Anyway we > are 
> getting real close for party time at the 
> national Folks! All them > who wish to see may 
> take a peak on my webshot @: > 
> http://community.webshots.com/album/561752495RfcIse 
> Only a couple > more pics there but the old 
> girl is running again. Starts very easy > now 
> and is really getting some good compression 
> up.> > enjoy, Russell> > 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jan 23 13:26:35 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:26:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Slick Willy Sign-Up Process   [OT]
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For those of you who asked about Slick Willy...

Just remember two things.

First, there is no such thing as an "off topic" post on Slick.
And second, as such, ANYTHING is fair game for discussion; politics,
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From james.kangas at timken.com  Fri Jan 23 13:25:08 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:25:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <49795EFF.2040802@gmail.com><9dd9dacc3462e0fc69a3813262100da6.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
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Sorry about the name change,I didn't catch that my spell checker changed it from Arnie
  Jim

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Kangas, James G.
Sent: Fri 1/23/2009 3:51 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?



Hi Ernie,
     You're right and that's why I love pre WW I technology. It's open,accessable,teachable,and understandable to anyone willing to put a little effort in  to it.
You're luckily to have a Dad like you did. Mine despite being raised on a farm was not mechanically inclined and in fact seemed to disdain those that were. So I was left to my own devices. In the '60s they were building the Inter-State near my home and I learned that really big machines could be started with a really small button.When no one was around of course.
    Jim

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Arnie Fero
Sent: Fri 1/23/2009 2:00 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?



Hi Jim,

You hit on one of my main reasons for going to small local, fair type shows.  You
get an opportunity to reach young kids who have no clue what engines are all about.
In five minutes with an open crank engine, the kid really UNDERSTANDS it.

When I was a kid my dad would lift the hood on the family car and we'd discuss how
all the bits worked.  Eventually I got my hands on one of the simple old B&S
lawnmower engines and my buddies and I made a motor wagon.  That poor ol' engine was
taken apart and reassembled so many times it was nearly worn out from THAT activity.

Later I got my own car, a cheap clunker that also received a LOT of work.

Trouble is today with all the electronic gizmos you lift the hood you can't even see
the bloody engine, let alone work on it.  Same goes for the lawnmowers.  A kid just
doesn't have the same opportunity to learn.

See ya,  Arnie

On Thu, January 22, 2009 9:24 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote:
> I agree that there are regions in the U.S. where the art and mystery of things
> mechanical does survive but in general the skills and interest are in decline.




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From oldironnut at alltel.net  Fri Jan 23 13:48:15 2009
From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:48:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
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On Jan 23, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
> I too had some experience with that "little button" on a dozer (also  
> in the 60's).
> My buddies and I would go play on the machinery where they were  
> putting in a road
> and a housing plan.  We never started anything, but we did manage to  
> "drive" them a
> number of feet on the starter motor.

You city boys!!!!  If I wanted to go start a dozer I went out to where  
we parked the equipment and started our dozer.  In seriousness to the  
thread here, kids today that are raised around tractors and other  
equipment still learn a lot about how to work on relatively simple  
engines.  I know that's how a I got infected with old iron disease.   
Growing up, keeping our '48 SC Case, which is sitting in our barn  
overhang now, running and ready for work was my responsibility.  It's  
not a hit-n-miss open crank engine but it's pretty clear how the suck- 
squeeze-bang-blow concept is applied.  Playing with our engines and  
tractors has certainly served Lincoln well as he takes on the  
restoration of his '70 Jeep Gladiator truck.

See ya',
Mike

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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Fri Jan 23 14:52:44 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:52:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Skills
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com><00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
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I feel very lucky to have been raised the way we were.  Fix everything, 
throw away nothing.

MR
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Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:41 PM
Subject: [SEL] Skills


> "The skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping
> away with each new generation. Jim"
>
> It does seem that fewer and fewer people have the skills to repair
> things.  The other day a co-worker brought in the top from a seltzer
> bottle with a bad seal.  He knew I worked on things and he couldn't get
> a part taken off.
>
> I looked at it and noticed some internal threads so it was obvious that
> the part screwed in and just needed a simple tool to unscrew it.  I took
> it home and probably didn't take me a minute to have it apart.  I then
> made a quick tool for him out of a 3 cent flat washer with a few notches
> cut in it.
>
> He was thrilled and is buying me lunch next week for helping him!
>
> Guess I should be glad there are people that need my help, but at the
> same time it does make you wonder how many people in the future will be
> able to fix things after we're gone.
>
> George
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Jan 23 15:24:27 2009
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:24:27 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Skills
In-Reply-To: <007d01c97dad$4df8b950$66674b47@mikecomp>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com><00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
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On Jan 23, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Mike Royster wrote:

> I feel very lucky to have been raised the way we were.  Fix  
> everything,
> throw away nothing.

Yeah, we saw the pictures of your shop.
























From Jim at hardmanfamily.net  Fri Jan 23 16:00:16 2009
From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:00:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
In-Reply-To: <469C679256AB4D04889A897D1F05CB01@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <469C679256AB4D04889A897D1F05CB01@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <FB2C5EFC2CD74AD0ACB5BBD6FAD42235@JamesDesktop>

Hi all...

I spent my working life in the epoxy business and agree that the 5-minute 
formulations are not the best for water resistance.  The slower setting 
varieties will perform a lot better, especially when driven to a more 
complete cure under heat.  Yes, warming the head at the time of application 
will thin the mix and promote pentration.

I used a 5-minute epoxy to make a repair inside a boat house and a year 
later it had reverted to a cheezy mass, about like chewing gum except easily 
flaked.  Slower varieties will do a lot better inside shower stalls, boat 
houses or engine water jackets.

My father-in-law repaired his broken boat throttle with our 5-minute epoxy 
and it scared the lights out of me when he'd come charging in to the dock at 
a full plane and then haul back on the throttle at the last second.  The 
good Lord was watching over him. Repairing a broken throttle arm with a 
butt-joint repair with 5-minute stuff ain't smart.

If I can offer a suggestion to anyone using epoxies, mix them twice as long 
as you think you have to.  The extra mixing time allows greater association 
between the resin and the curing agent and results in a much stronger cure. 
And avoid adding solvents to either thin the mix or extend potlife. 
Reaction rate doubles with an increase of about 18 degrees fahrenheit (10 
degs. C.) which also benefits the final cure.

Maximum temperature allowed varies with the recipe, but anything over the 
boiling point of water should be suspect.  Use silicones to repair anything 
exposed to higher temperatures.  JB Weld should do fine for a crack in an 
engine head as long as there's enough cast iron to take the stresses of 
compression and ignition.

As for surface prep, grind down into fresh metal and wash down the surfaces 
with  a fast solvent like toluene to get rid of any oil residue.  Avoid 
mineral spirits (paint thinner), it takes too long to evaporate.  Wipe up 
the solvent with a clean rag, that's the only way to reduce oil film. 
Evaporation just leaves the oil behind.

But I'll bet you already know all this.

Jim in frozen Vermont


> Eldon,
> That's a good point.  A little heat will make the epoxy suck
> into the crack.  But, if a little heat is used then its probably best
> not to use the JB Quick formula.  It sets up in about 5 minutes under
> normal (75 degree) temps.  Adding heat can make it set almost on
> contact.  I've had great luck with JB Weld and if its just a matter of
> stopping a seeping crack on the exterior of a cylinder or head, I'd
> prefer it over the other choices (welding or brazing).
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY 



From james.kangas at timken.com  Fri Jan 23 16:11:37 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:11:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Skills
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com><00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
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I too have had similar situations which always disturb me. The other person is usually an otherwise intelligent person but appears to lack basic problem solving skills. It doesn't look good for the future, but then again our U.S. economy is no longer based on manufacturing so you will find people who say that mechanical skills aren't really that necessary anymore.Technology will provide the answers.
  Jim

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Best, George
Sent: Fri 1/23/2009 1:41 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Skills



"The skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping
away with each new generation. Jim"

It does seem that fewer and fewer people have the skills to repair
things.  The other day a co-worker brought in the top from a seltzer
bottle with a bad seal.  He knew I worked on things and he couldn't get
a part taken off.

I looked at it and noticed some internal threads so it was obvious that
the part screwed in and just needed a simple tool to unscrew it.  I took
it home and probably didn't take me a minute to have it apart.  I then
made a quick tool for him out of a 3 cent flat washer with a few notches
cut in it.

He was thrilled and is buying me lunch next week for helping him!

Guess I should be glad there are people that need my help, but at the
same time it does make you wonder how many people in the future will be
able to fix things after we're gone.

George 


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From james.kangas at timken.com  Fri Jan 23 16:12:16 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:12:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
References: <49795EFF.2040802@gmail.com><9dd9dacc3462e0fc69a3813262100da6.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC6@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
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Hi Arnie,
      As far as burning out a starter motor, well you got to break a few eggs to make an omelet
Or if it ain't broke you aren't trying hard enough
      Jim.

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From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Arnie Fero
Sent: Fri 1/23/2009 4:15 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Where is everyone?



Hi Jim,

My dad was a machinist and did teach me a lot.  Sadly, I also ignored a lot of what
he was trying to teach me when I was in my teens.  I knew it all.  Now, later in
life, owning a home, I sure do wish I had paid closer attention to the home
maintenance tips & tricks he was trying to teach me.

I too had some experience with that "little button" on a dozer (also in the 60's).
My buddies and I would go play on the machinery where they were putting in a road
and a housing plan.  We never started anything, but we did manage to "drive" them a
number of feet on the starter motor.  We heard later that the cops were looking for
whoever it was who had burned out the starter motor, clutch, etc.  BIG BUKS repair I
heard.  8->>>

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, January 23, 2009 3:51 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote:
>      You're right and that's why I love pre WW I technology. It's
> open,accessable,teachable,and understandable to anyone willing to put a little
> effort in  to it.
> You're luckily to have a Dad like you did. Mine despite being raised on a farm was
> not mechanically inclined and in fact seemed to disdain those that were. So I was
> left to my own devices. In the '60s they were building the Inter-State near my home
> and I learned that really big machines could be started with a really small
> button.When no one was around of course.



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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jan 23 17:26:51 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:26:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
In-Reply-To: <469C679256AB4D04889A897D1F05CB01@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOELAHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tommy:

I'd much rather give the epoxy a try on old iron rather than weld or braze.  Too much heat stress could make the crack worse, even if it is drilled.

If the epoxy proves to not do the job on a particular project, then it's time to get out the smoke tools.

Take care - Elden
In Port St. Joe, Florida - In the heart of The Redneck Riviera
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Judge Tommy
> Turner
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 02:34 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head
> 
> 
> Eldon,
> 	That's a good point.  A little heat will 
> make the epoxy suck
> into the crack.  But, if a little heat is used 
> then its probably best
> not to use the JB Quick formula.  It sets up in 
> about 5 minutes under
> normal (75 degree) temps.  Adding heat can make 
> it set almost on
> contact.  I've had great luck with JB Weld and if 
> its just a matter of
> stopping a seeping crack on the exterior of a 
> cylinder or head, I'd
> prefer it over the other choices (welding or brazing).
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 23 17:36:48 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:36:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
Message-ID: <488202.19683.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Joe,
Check out this torch.
IF you decide to weld it why not use a cast iron rod?
http://www.cut-like-plasma.com/info_welding_cast_iron.htm

Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 1/23/09, jlb94 <jlb94 at juno.com> wrote:

From: jlb94 <jlb94 at juno.com>
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 10:50 AM

Hi List,

Well - - - I finally did it.? Ignored the advise of others and never
thought it would get cold enough in my garage to freeze the water in the
engines.

With this cold snap ( minus 8? ) the water in my Jaeger 2? HP S froze and
cracked the head.

There is a crack on the left side about 2" long from the surface of the
head to the front.

Can anyone give me any ideas as to what to do to fix or replace the head
?

Any experiences, methods or procedures with welding - Brazing - or - even
"maybe" J B Weld ?

I'm sick about it because it could've been avoided if I'd only drained
the engines before winter.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
???,-._,-.? ? ? http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
???\/)"(\/? ? ???" Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - 
???(_o_)? ? ? ? Remove large pumpkin colored highway signs.
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Jan 23 18:11:14 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:11:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
Message-ID: <20090123.211114.1356.1.jlb94>

Hi Joe,
Check out this torch.
=        =        =        =        =
Hi Alan,
Thanks for the info.
I've heard of this torch but never seen it.
I'd have to look into it more.

Thanks - I'll give it some thought.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - 
   (_o_)        Remove large pumpkin colored highway signs.

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From mcghee9 at comcast.net  Fri Jan 23 18:14:56 2009
From: mcghee9 at comcast.net (Carl McGhee)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:14:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
References: <20090123.110113.1392.12.jlb94>
Message-ID: <00cc01c97dc9$8dc7a660$0402a8c0@Carl>

Hi joe,
I personaly prefer Marine-Tex over J.B. weld. You can find it at any marina.

Carl McGhee
Battle Creek, Mi.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jlb94" <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:50 AM
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head


Hi List,

Well - - - I finally did it.  Ignored the advise of others and never
thought it would get cold enough in my garage to freeze the water in the
engines.

With this cold snap ( minus 8? ) the water in my Jaeger 2? HP S froze and
cracked the head.

There is a crack on the left side about 2" long from the surface of the
head to the front.

Can anyone give me any ideas as to what to do to fix or replace the head
?

Any experiences, methods or procedures with welding - Brazing - or - even
"maybe" J B Weld ?

I'm sick about it because it could've been avoided if I'd only drained
the engines before winter.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" -
   (_o_)        Remove large pumpkin colored highway signs.
____________________________________________________________
Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement 
project.
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2eRIKvFIBialYqLsV2iT5uDBwYVFqoVRjPx5HSeZAQem1Kl/
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Jan 23 18:26:41 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:26:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Skills
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	d.adp.com>
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	<5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp>
	<EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>
	<20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
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I was told a while back and I believe this, that if things go badly in the 
next few years that those who can repair almost anything will do well in 
the bad times. Like the blacksmith of the village. I'm not talking about 
remove and replacers I'm talking about remove, repair said removed item and 
reinstall.  The industrial arts shops in schools have largely given way to 
the computer shop.         Mark



At 12:41 PM 1/23/2009 -0600, you wrote:
>"The skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping
>away with each new generation. Jim"
>
>It does seem that fewer and fewer people have the skills to repair
>things.  The other day a co-worker brought in the top from a seltzer
>bottle with a bad seal.  He knew I worked on things and he couldn't get
>a part taken off.
>
>I looked at it and noticed some internal threads so it was obvious that
>the part screwed in and just needed a simple tool to unscrew it.  I took
>it home and probably didn't take me a minute to have it apart.  I then
>made a quick tool for him out of a 3 cent flat washer with a few notches
>cut in it.
>
>He was thrilled and is buying me lunch next week for helping him!
>
>Guess I should be glad there are people that need my help, but at the
>same time it does make you wonder how many people in the future will be
>able to fix things after we're gone.
>
>George
>
>
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 23 18:40:57 2009
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:40:57 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Skills
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com><00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC35F1@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
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I too have had similar situations which always disturb me.
The other person is usually an otherwise intelligent person
but appears to lack basic problem solving skills.
Jim


I havent seen a big increase in the amount of spoon feeding
needed by customers in the last twenty years .  Reasonably
intelligent people can figure all this stuff out , you just cant
always make them WANT to





///////////////
you will find people who say that mechanical skills aren't really
 that necessary anymore.Technology will provide the answers.
Jim


That is doublespeak for
 "We aint gonna build 'em here anyway....buh-bye "
There's a book idea in there .. "Learning to speak Orwellian "   for 
homeschoolers .
Go ahead and run with it . Im not a litigious sort .



chuck





 



From endacomm10 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 23 19:04:14 2009
From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:04:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Skills
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.1.20090123211725.013c2dc8@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <5656.50118.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

What's even worse. The Computer Shops you mention do NOT teach "Repair",
  Only Replace. What's going to be even more rare, And in demand. Will be the
  individuals who can bridge ALL the above (Meaning Repair,Rebuild,OR Re-Create)
   
    There are MANY On here who have expressed their apptitude for Re-Creation
  Many times simplyout of Desire, Rather then necessity. I Blame all this 
  "Pull it - Trash it - Replace with new part" On society's inherant IMPATIENCE !
  It takes time to MAKE a new part from scratch. Even IF you have the equipment
  and Materials (And Skill) to do it, It's usually the impatient nature of the beast that
  wins out in the end. (Yet another SAD testament to the times)
   
     Fathers need to pass on their knowledge to their young, When they ARE young.
  If you wait till they are in their teens, it's too late. They either already know
  (Or atleast THINK they know) More than you and your efforts will fall on deaf ears.
   
  Back when I was a kid (Late 50's early 60's) My father was sharper than most I guess
  He started teacking us as soon as we could pick up a tool, The correct use and care
  of it. And saw to it we had almost any concievable basic tool to learn with. Adding to
  this He taught us how to ADAPT a tool to a specific purpose. (Which eventually
  required a huge addition to the "Tool Storage Area" of a Hand built SPECIAL TOOLS
  box)  We learned early hot to create a $100 Tool from a $2 corner hardware store tool.
   Which brings up another thing. Where did all those "Corner Supply Houses" go ?
  Only the Shadow Knows !  <Sigh>
   
     Please forgive the legnth of this. But I COULD go on almost indefinitely So I better
  close.
   
     !! Best to all in this new year !!
And May YOUR Passions NEVER be your UnDoing...
  
Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
  I was told a while back and I believe this, that if things go badly in the 
next few years that those who can repair almost anything will do well in 
the bad times. Like the blacksmith of the village. I'm not talking about 
remove and replacers I'm talking about remove, repair said removed item and 
reinstall. The industrial arts shops in schools have largely given way to 
the computer shop. Mark



At 12:41 PM 1/23/2009 -0600, you wrote:
>"The skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping
>away with each new generation. Jim"
>
>It does seem that fewer and fewer people have the skills to repair
>things. The other day a co-worker brought in the top from a seltzer
>bottle with a bad seal. He knew I worked on things and he couldn't get
>a part taken off.
>
>I looked at it and noticed some internal threads so it was obvious that
>the part screwed in and just needed a simple tool to unscrew it. I took
>it home and probably didn't take me a minute to have it apart. I then
>made a quick tool for him out of a 3 cent flat washer with a few notches
>cut in it.
>
>He was thrilled and is buying me lunch next week for helping him!
>
>Guess I should be glad there are people that need my help, but at the
>same time it does make you wonder how many people in the future will be
>able to fix things after we're gone.
>
>George
>
>
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From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Jan 23 19:33:38 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:33:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Skills
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Mark Shulaw wrote:
> I was told a while back and I believe this, that if things go badly in the 
> next few years that those who can repair almost anything will do well in 
> the bad times. Like the blacksmith of the village. I'm not talking about 
> remove and replacers I'm talking about remove, repair said removed item and 
> reinstall.  The industrial arts shops in schools have largely given way to 
> the computer shop.         Mark
> 

The local school still runs a reasonable IA class, but nothing real
career oriented. I don't think they even do any metalwork.

-- 
Steve Williams


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 00:14:18 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:14:18 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Skills
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC35F1@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp>
	<EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>
	<20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
	<942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com>
	<00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
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On 23/01/2009, Best, George <George_Best at adp.com> wrote:
> "The skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping
> away with each new generation. Jim"
>
> It does seem that fewer and fewer people have the skills to repair
> things.

Perhaps the generation that we mostly belonged to were brought up just
at the end or just after the end of WWII, and had to go through the
shortages and for some, the deprivations of that period. You never
forget those early days and the things you had to go without and the
'make do' situations with home affairs.

The later generations never had to cope with rationing (twice) or such
things as no TV, no central heating, no cars in the driveway (or no
driveway!) and so on.

I'll be 63 next month, and can clearly remember rationing after WWII
and most of the shortages that we went through as a family. You never
forget, so yes, we do tend to hoard stuff and mend old equipment that
would have been thrown away, and if we get a bit of enjoyment out of
doing so, then that's all to the good.

Skills per se are gradually being lost as they are not taught any more
in schools or college:

Our own Ruston & Hornsby horizontal open-crank diesel was from
Abingdon technical College, thermodynamics teaching facility. The
college decided that they would drop the courses so the entire lab was
closed and disposed of.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sat Jan 24 07:36:05 2009
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 07:36:05 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Skills
In-Reply-To: <007d01c97dad$4df8b950$66674b47@mikecomp>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp>
	<EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com>
	<20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com>
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	<00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC35F1@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<007d01c97dad$4df8b950$66674b47@mikecomp>
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Mike i know what you are saying. The problems with todays youth is 
they don't haft to do with out any thing. Just ask and it will be 
handed to you. We done with out a lot as i was growing up but had 
what we needed.
R Fink


At 05:52 PM 1/23/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>I feel very lucky to have been raised the way we were.  Fix everything,
>throw away nothing.
>
>MR
>----- Original Message -----
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>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:41 PM
>Subject: [SEL] Skills
>
>
> > "The skills to restore and or maintain old engines are quickly slipping
> > away with each new generation. Jim"
> >
> > It does seem that fewer and fewer people have the skills to repair
> > things.  The other day a co-worker brought in the top from a seltzer
> > bottle with a bad seal.  He knew I worked on things and he couldn't get
> > a part taken off.
> >
> > I looked at it and noticed some internal threads so it was obvious that
> > the part screwed in and just needed a simple tool to unscrew it.  I took
> > it home and probably didn't take me a minute to have it apart.  I then
> > made a quick tool for him out of a 3 cent flat washer with a few notches
> > cut in it.
> >
> > He was thrilled and is buying me lunch next week for helping him!
> >
> > Guess I should be glad there are people that need my help, but at the
> > same time it does make you wonder how many people in the future will be
> > able to fix things after we're gone.
> >
> > George
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jan 24 07:46:16 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:46:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Skills
In-Reply-To: <5656.50118.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIELGHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

I was taught early by Dad to try to fix things before going out and buying a replacement.  He was a product of the Great Depression, a time when you had to make do with what you had.

It's interesting to note that my grandfather was definitely NOT technical.  He was a businessman and never touched a tool as far as I know.  How Dad got his mechanical knowledge is a mystery.  He told of when he was a kid, buying things like a $5 Model T Ford and overhauling it with his friends.  He was also interested in that newfangled thing called "radio".  He was playing with a home made radio, listening to the Morse signals one night and accidentally stumbled onto KDKA which was transmitting its first voice program.  He was a Ham radio operator before he had to have a license (his first "ticket" was 9EKA).  Thankfully, he passed some of his aptitudes along to me.

Now, I get a great deal of satisfaction out of "Cheating The Junk Man".  THANKS, Dad!

Take care - Elden
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Jan 24 10:41:36 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:41:36 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head/Vee grinding
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1232816402.3638.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090124202902.00c4de68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>


>From: Germoamer at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head
>
>Joe,
>
>I would clean out the crack with a die grinder and use JB Weld in it.   I
>have done this on several heads with good results heating them up to 
>boiling  and
>never leaked.  Think of it this way, if it does not work, you have lost
>nothing since you just clean it out again and then have it welded.
>
>Tom  Schmutz

Hi Tom,
         This answer is not specifically to your post as you are using JB 
Weld. It's more for those who are going the welding way but you mentioned 
"die grinder".

          I'm no expert but have always been told NOT to use a grinder (of 
the abrasive type) to vee out a groove for cast iron welding as the 
abrasive (carborundum??) particles left behind in the metal may cause 
problems with the weld. I've always been told to only use a file!

         Could you guys give us the benefit of your knowledge on this subject ?

         Thanks from me who has just had a lovely day because I decided to 
"bugger" everyone else today and do some engine related work for myself. 
Nothing fancy, just making a tubing frame to hold the little Vincent engine 
but it was "for me" for a change !!


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Jan 24 10:48:25 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:48:25 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head/Epoxy information
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1232816402.3638.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090124204359.00c0fe50@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 24/01/2009, you wrote:
>From: "Jim Hardman" <Jim at hardmanfamily.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head
>
>Hi all...
>
>I spent my working life in the epoxy business and agree that the 5-minute
>formulations are not the best for water resistance.  The slower setting
>varieties will perform a lot better, especially when driven to a more
>complete cure under heat.  Yes, warming the head at the time of application
>will thin the mix and promote pentration.
>
>I used a 5-minute epoxy to make a repair inside a boat house and a year
>later it had reverted to a cheezy mass, about like chewing gum except easily
>flaked.  Slower varieties will do a lot better inside shower stalls, boat
>houses or engine water jackets.
>
>My father-in-law repaired his broken boat throttle with our 5-minute epoxy
>and it scared the lights out of me when he'd come charging in to the dock at
>a full plane and then haul back on the throttle at the last second.  The
>good Lord was watching over him. Repairing a broken throttle arm with a
>butt-joint repair with 5-minute stuff ain't smart.
>
>If I can offer a suggestion to anyone using epoxies, mix them twice as long
>as you think you have to.  The extra mixing time allows greater association
>between the resin and the curing agent and results in a much stronger cure.
>And avoid adding solvents to either thin the mix or extend potlife.
>Reaction rate doubles with an increase of about 18 degrees fahrenheit (10
>degs. C.) which also benefits the final cure.
>
>Maximum temperature allowed varies with the recipe, but anything over the
>boiling point of water should be suspect.  Use silicones to repair anything
>exposed to higher temperatures.  JB Weld should do fine for a crack in an
>engine head as long as there's enough cast iron to take the stresses of
>compression and ignition.
>
>As for surface prep, grind down into fresh metal and wash down the surfaces
>with  a fast solvent like toluene to get rid of any oil residue.  Avoid
>mineral spirits (paint thinner), it takes too long to evaporate.  Wipe up
>the solvent with a clean rag, that's the only way to reduce oil film.
>Evaporation just leaves the oil behind.
>But I'll bet you already know all this.
>Jim in frozen Vermont

Jim,
         Thanks for the post - very interesting and a few things to remember.

         Now, is there an epoxy that will successfully bond to "brass to 
brass" ? I mean really bond it - not just stick it together.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From kosh at ncweb.com  Sat Jan 24 11:23:02 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:23:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <ABF5D35C-5A98-4BD6-BD6F-0D7887B2DD34@herculesengines.com>
References: <68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
	<59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090124142000.03863570@ncweb.com>

A friend of mine built a nice high ceiling 40x60 a few years ago.

Talked to him this week, he's clearing trees for the addition.

Dave Merchant


At 06:29 PM 1/22/2009, you wrote:

>I just uploaded some additional photos of the barn construction.  The
>caused a few days delay but they plan to finish it tomorrow.  Here are
>the photos:
>http://s592.photobucket.com/albums/tt1/KeithKinney/New%20Barn%20January%202009/
>Keith
>
>
>Keith Kinney
>kkinney at herculesengines.com
>WWW.HerculesEngines.com
>
>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Jan 24 12:20:32 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:20:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC7@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
References: <49795EFF.2040802@gmail.com><9dd9dacc3462e0fc69a3813262100da6.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC6@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC7@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
Message-ID: <3182a00ee462872c44e989273f67b219.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

No worries mate.  You can call me anything you like except late for dinner.  8-))

On Fri, January 23, 2009 4:25 pm, Kangas, James G. wrote:
> Sorry about the name change,I didn't catch that my spell checker changed it from
> Arnie
>   Jim




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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jan 24 14:31:02 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:31:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head/Vee grinding
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090124202902.00c4de68@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIELLHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

Just get a solid carbide rotary file for the die grinder.  I've used 'em a few times and have had no adhesion problems.

I do have some of that aluminum solder stuff you occasionally see at flea markets.  They say to NOT use steel wire brushes to clean the surfaces of the aluminum before soldering.  Only use brass or bronze bristle brushes.  I've used that stuff and it works reasonably well if you can get enough heat to the area.  

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 12:42 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head/Vee grinding
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Germoamer at aol.com
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head
> >
> >Joe,
> >
> >I would clean out the crack with a die grinder 
> and use JB Weld in it.   I
> >have done this on several heads with good 
> results heating them up to 
> >boiling  and
> >never leaked.  Think of it this way, if it does 
> not work, you have lost
> >nothing since you just clean it out again and 
> then have it welded.
> >
> >Tom  Schmutz
> 
> Hi Tom,
>          This answer is not specifically to your 
> post as you are using JB 
> Weld. It's more for those who are going the 
> welding way but you mentioned 
> "die grinder".
> 
>           I'm no expert but have always been told 
> NOT to use a grinder (of 
> the abrasive type) to vee out a groove for cast 
> iron welding as the 
> abrasive (carborundum??) particles left behind in 
> the metal may cause 
> problems with the weld. I've always been told to 
> only use a file!
> 
>          Could you guys give us the benefit of 
> your knowledge on this subject ?
> 
>          Thanks from me who has just had a lovely 
> day because I decided to 
> "bugger" everyone else today and do some engine 
> related work for myself. 
> Nothing fancy, just making a tubing frame to hold 
> the little Vincent engine 
> but it was "for me" for a change !!
> 
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>




From Jim at hardmanfamily.net  Sat Jan 24 14:09:49 2009
From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:09:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head/Epoxy information
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090124204359.00c0fe50@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090124204359.00c0fe50@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <A8255498A694433A95B388A997526550@JamesDesktop>

Jerry, specify a "high peel strength" epoxy for brass.  It doesn't cure as 
hard as most epoxies, you can dent the stuff with your fingernail.  But it 
sticks like grim death.

The secret with brass is surface preparation (as rough as possible and as 
clean as possible) and thick sections of brass to prevent "stretching" off 
the bond when stressed.

Epoxies bond well due to their ability to wet the surface;  these chemicals 
have the ability to gain really close molecular contact.  But mechanical 
roughness (rough grinding) truly helps mechanical purchase.

With all epoxies, wash up well with plenty of soap and hot water after use. 
There are no "safety cures" that really avoid possible skin rash.  Everyone 
has a natural threshold resistance to dermatitis (a rash like poison ivy), 
but once the threshold is reached, the user becomes sensitized and has to 
avoid epoxies in the future.  It's like rolling in poison ivy as a kid.  The 
first or second time you got away with it, but after that, just get near the 
ivy patch and you had the rash.  Just be clean... most of our shop mates 
formulated epoxies for years with no ill effects.

Jim in Vermont

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head/Epoxy information


> At 07:00 PM 24/01/2009, you wrote:
>>From: "Jim Hardman" <Jim at hardmanfamily.net>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head
>>
>>Hi all...
>>
>>I spent my working life in the epoxy business and agree that the 5-minute
>>formulations are not the best for water resistance.  The slower setting
>>varieties will perform a lot better, especially when driven to a more
>>complete cure under heat.  Yes, warming the head at the time of 
>>application
>>will thin the mix and promote pentration.
>>
>>I used a 5-minute epoxy to make a repair inside a boat house and a year
>>later it had reverted to a cheezy mass, about like chewing gum except 
>>easily
>>flaked.  Slower varieties will do a lot better inside shower stalls, boat
>>houses or engine water jackets.
>>
>>My father-in-law repaired his broken boat throttle with our 5-minute epoxy
>>and it scared the lights out of me when he'd come charging in to the dock 
>>at
>>a full plane and then haul back on the throttle at the last second.  The
>>good Lord was watching over him. Repairing a broken throttle arm with a
>>butt-joint repair with 5-minute stuff ain't smart.
>>
>>If I can offer a suggestion to anyone using epoxies, mix them twice as 
>>long
>>as you think you have to.  The extra mixing time allows greater 
>>association
>>between the resin and the curing agent and results in a much stronger 
>>cure.
>>And avoid adding solvents to either thin the mix or extend potlife.
>>Reaction rate doubles with an increase of about 18 degrees fahrenheit (10
>>degs. C.) which also benefits the final cure.
>>
>>Maximum temperature allowed varies with the recipe, but anything over the
>>boiling point of water should be suspect.  Use silicones to repair 
>>anything
>>exposed to higher temperatures.  JB Weld should do fine for a crack in an
>>engine head as long as there's enough cast iron to take the stresses of
>>compression and ignition.
>>
>>As for surface prep, grind down into fresh metal and wash down the 
>>surfaces
>>with  a fast solvent like toluene to get rid of any oil residue.  Avoid
>>mineral spirits (paint thinner), it takes too long to evaporate.  Wipe up
>>the solvent with a clean rag, that's the only way to reduce oil film.
>>Evaporation just leaves the oil behind.
>>But I'll bet you already know all this.
>>Jim in frozen Vermont
>
> Jim,
>         Thanks for the post - very interesting and a few things to 
> remember.
>
>         Now, is there an epoxy that will successfully bond to "brass to
> brass" ? I mean really bond it - not just stick it together.
>
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Sat Jan 24 21:29:33 2009
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:29:33 -0600
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
References: <59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <2EA69F73-9698-47F2-AB77-3A2C3166E217@herculesengines.com>

>
We'll the barn is pretty much done.  They are coming back Tuesday to  
install the down spouts and some bracing.

Tommy, your right, that porch is going to be real nice. Right now  
we're planing on setting up our saw mill there.  But who knows how it  
will end up being used.  We've also thought about setting up our  
sorghum syrup furnace and cane mill under the porch.  Lots of options.

Glenn.  Yep, several engines outside will find a nice dry, cold, home  
in the barn.  We worked on Reid today while we could borrow the  
construction crews off road fork truck.  Talk about a sweet machine  
for working around oil field engines.  We'll have to schedule the barn  
party for warmer weather. :-)

Peter.  It is a very nice sized building.  If I were going to order a  
building I'd probably go with a little wider building but we had to  
work with what we had so no complaints here.

Ron.  You asked about the posts.  A hole was drilled 3'+ into the  
ground.  A dry bag of cement mix is poured into the hole.  Then the  
post is placed into the hole and another dry 80 lb. bag a cement mix  
is poured around the post.  The dry mix pulls moisture from the ground  
and sets up.  If the hole is still not full it is back filled with dirt.

If you remember from my original post this kit was from a project that  
was canceled when the original owner's business plans changed.  They  
barn had set mostly outside for 2 years in a pile.  Some of the lumber  
and the hardware had been stored in a garage. It was originally  
supposed to have 8' side walls.  We replaced the posts with 4' longer  
posts and made the walls 12.5' tall to accommodate our taller  
treasures.  This is why you see the 4' tall wainscoting around the  
bottom of the structure.  We used the metal that was originally slated  
to be the interior ceiling for the wainscoting and ceiling of the  
porch.  Not the prettiest but functional.  It also didn't have any  
drive through doors.  To make room for the drive through doors we  
moved the porch from the end where it was originally supposed to be  
around to the side and lengthen it 16' to make the best use of the  
roofing material we had.  We then added 12' wide by 10' tall sliding  
doors on each end of the barn.

I thought the copula and wether vane were a nice touch.  I wouldn't  
have ordered one but it came with the kit. :-)

Here are the latest pictures:
http://s592.photobucket.com/albums/tt1/KeithKinney/New Barn January  
2009/?albumview=slideshow

I probably won't post any more photos until it's filled. :-)
Keith



Keith Kinney
kkinney at herculesengines.com
WWW.HerculesEngines.com





From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jan 25 06:26:28 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:26:28 EST
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head/Vee grinding
Message-ID: <d45.3b86aba3.36add094@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/24/2009 1:50:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

I'm no expert but have always been told NOT to use a grinder (of  
the abrasive type) to vee out a groove for cast iron welding as the  
abrasive (carborundum??) particles left behind in the metal may cause  
problems with the weld. I've always been told to only use a  file!


Jerry,
 
You are correct in not using abrasive type grinding tips to clean up  metal 
for epoxy repairs.  What I have are a couple of air die grinders  and use high 
speed/carbide cutting tips to do the work.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jan 25 06:46:49 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:46:49 EST
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head/Vee grinding
Message-ID: <c6f.31835609.36add559@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/24/2009 1:50:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

I'm no expert but have always been told NOT to use a grinder (of  
the abrasive type) to vee out a groove for cast iron welding as the  
abrasive (carborundum??) particles left behind in the metal may cause  
problems with the weld. I've always been told to only use a  file!
 
Jerry,
 
I use a lot of small carbide burrs much like:
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/CARBIDE-BURRS-100-PCS-1-8-MIXED-LOT_W0QQitemZ320334215185Q
QcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item320334215185&_trksid=p3911.c0.m1
4&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
 
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Jan 25 06:54:28 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:54:28 EST
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
Message-ID: <c1c.4b5b92cc.36add724@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/23/2009 8:41:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
rustaholic777 at yahoo.com writes:

Check  out this torch.
IF you decide to weld it why not use a cast iron rod?
_http://www.cut-like-plasma.com/info_welding_cast_iron.htm_ 
(http://www.cut-like-plasma.com/info_welding_cast_iron.htm) 
 
Alan,
 
Anyone ever used this torch?  Looks like a nice item to have in the  shop.
 

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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Jan 25 08:21:55 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:21:55 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head/Epoxy information
In-Reply-To: <A8255498A694433A95B388A997526550@JamesDesktop>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEMDHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jim:

Interesting stuff!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jim Hardman
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 04:10 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head/Epoxy information
> 
> 
> Jerry, specify a "high peel strength" epoxy for 
> brass.  It doesn't cure as 
> hard as most epoxies, you can dent the stuff with 
> your fingernail.  But it 
> sticks like grim death.
> 
> The secret with brass is surface preparation (as 
> rough as possible and as 
> clean as possible) and thick sections of brass to 
> prevent "stretching" off 
> the bond when stressed.
> 
> Epoxies bond well due to their ability to wet the 
> surface;  these chemicals 
> have the ability to gain really close molecular 
> contact.  But mechanical 
> roughness (rough grinding) truly helps mechanical 
> purchase.
> 
> With all epoxies, wash up well with plenty of 
> soap and hot water after use. 
> There are no "safety cures" that really avoid 
> possible skin rash.  Everyone 
> has a natural threshold resistance to dermatitis 
> (a rash like poison ivy), 
> but once the threshold is reached, the user 
> becomes sensitized and has to 
> avoid epoxies in the future.  It's like rolling 
> in poison ivy as a kid.  The 
> first or second time you got away with it, but 
> after that, just get near the 
> ivy patch and you had the rash.  Just be clean... 
> most of our shop mates 
> formulated epoxies for years with no ill effects.
> 
> Jim in Vermont




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jan 25 10:22:19 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 13:22:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away
In-Reply-To: <2EA69F73-9698-47F2-AB77-3A2C3166E217@herculesengines.com>
References: <59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
	<2EA69F73-9698-47F2-AB77-3A2C3166E217@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <7c7ee4d706e54aa1584586270ab245f2.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Keith,

I finally took a look at your project.  WOW!!!  Man, that's what I need!
Well done!!  Always being up for a good party with sweet stack music playing in the
background, might I suggest a Bar-B-Que at or near Siam 2009?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, January 25, 2009 12:29 am, Keith Kinney wrote:
> We'll have to schedule the barn
> party for warmer weather. :-)




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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Jan 25 11:23:11 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:23:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
References: <20090123113417.969B190B05@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <005f01c97f22$5caff1e0$66674b47@mikecomp>

That is one great slideshow, and I love the shop and old signs.  My kind of 
place.

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:34 AM
Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's


> G'day all in engine land! Well to say it's hot is quiet an
> understatement! But never feer, I have had way to many hot days in
> the shed so we now have the big mother of all air conditioners in the
> work shop so a pussy 42 degree day is NO EXCUSE!  (YES WE CAN)  !!! :-)
>
> So ..... I found some spare time and had my darling wife help me (Yes
> it's true) thread some 1 1/4 in pipe for the cooling system on the
> campbell. I needed to get it done so I could run it again. Anyway we
> are getting real close for party time at the national Folks! All them
> who wish to see may take a peak on my webshot @:
> http://community.webshots.com/album/561752495RfcIse  Only a couple
> more pics there but the old girl is running again. Starts very easy
> now and is really getting some good compression up.
>
> enjoy, Russell
>
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Jan 25 12:16:08 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:16:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT Happy Australia Day
Message-ID: <D46404519F0141199A3BBD815330AC0A@PML>

To all my fellow Australians: Happy Australia Day!
No engine display for me this year as we are still catching up after our big
trip & my trailer has a cracked axle (repairs never end with trailers). Our
club is doing a few displays this year. I may start something her at home
and we are (of course) going to have a BBQ :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jan 25 13:08:06 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:08:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Gear Cutting Needed
In-Reply-To: <A8255498A694433A95B388A997526550@JamesDesktop>
Message-ID: <AA865D88F0FC479FA5B670E098E61C77@tommydk7hxjr4h>

 
I need to have a bevel gear cut.  Does anyone have a the name of a
person who does this?  I have had Phil Goetz of Michigan cut gears for
me before and he does super work but he's not set up to cut bevels.  Any
contact info is appreciated.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun Jan 25 13:21:41 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:21:41 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
In-Reply-To: <005f01c97f22$5caff1e0$66674b47@mikecomp>
References: <20090123113417.969B190B05@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au>
	<005f01c97f22$5caff1e0$66674b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <20090125212137.0F93C9DB7C@gex-cn03.gex.ncable.net.au>

Thanks Mike, The shop fillers add plenty of character to the place.

Tommy I will have a crack at making a video soon and get it onto you tube!
Will be a week or two
Russell

At 06:23 AM 26/01/2009, you wrote:
>That is one great slideshow, and I love the shop and old signs.  My kind of
>place.
>
>MR
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:34 AM
>Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
>
>
> > G'day all in engine land! Well to say it's hot is quiet an
> > understatement! But never feer, I have had way to many hot days in
> > the shed so we now have the big mother of all air conditioners in the
> > work shop so a pussy 42 degree day is NO EXCUSE!  (YES WE CAN)  !!! :-)
> >
> > So ..... I found some spare time and had my darling wife help me (Yes
> > it's true) thread some 1 1/4 in pipe for the cooling system on the
> > campbell. I needed to get it done so I could run it again. Anyway we
> > are getting real close for party time at the national Folks! All them
> > who wish to see may take a peak on my webshot @:
> > http://community.webshots.com/album/561752495RfcIse  Only a couple
> > more pics there but the old girl is running again. Starts very easy
> > now and is really getting some good compression up.
> >
> > enjoy, Russell
> >
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jan 25 14:42:58 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:42:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Gear Cutting Needed
In-Reply-To: <AA865D88F0FC479FA5B670E098E61C77@tommydk7hxjr4h>
References: <AA865D88F0FC479FA5B670E098E61C77@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <088871def2bca9eb7f053be12d5a09e7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Tommy,  I assume that you've tried "off the shelf" sources without success?
I think finding a commercial one would be far cheaper than getting one cut to order.

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, January 25, 2009 4:08 pm, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
> I need to have a bevel gear cut.  Does anyone have a the name of a
> person who does this?  I have had Phil Goetz of Michigan cut gears for
> me before and he does super work but he's not set up to cut bevels.  Any
> contact info is appreciated.




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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jan 25 14:55:08 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:55:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Gear Cutting Needed
In-Reply-To: <088871def2bca9eb7f053be12d5a09e7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <FF6721FA03FB4A79BC2A92199F68AD61@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Yeah Arnie, I went to Crush Gears in Louisville and they searched all
catalogs, Boston Gear, etc, and couldn't find anything to match.  I've
already had a blank cast and it just needs to have the bevel and teeth
cut.  Thanks!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:43 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Gear Cutting Needed


Tommy,  I assume that you've tried "off the shelf" sources without
success? I think finding a commercial one would be far cheaper than
getting one cut to order.

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, January 25, 2009 4:08 pm, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
> I need to have a bevel gear cut.  Does anyone have a the name of a 
> person who does this?  I have had Phil Goetz of Michigan cut gears for

> me before and he does super work but he's not set up to cut bevels.  
> Any contact info is appreciated.




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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sun Jan 25 14:56:05 2009
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:56:05 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Gear Cutting Needed
References: <AA865D88F0FC479FA5B670E098E61C77@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <7AFDB4FBE9EF437DA85020E57FEABDA9@your46e94owx6a>

I have never cut a bevel gear but it should not be a big 
deal as long as the teeth are straight.  A ordinary 
horizontal mill,
a dividing head, and a Brown and Sharpe type cutter ought to 
do the trick.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, California U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: [SEL] Gear Cutting Needed



I need to have a bevel gear cut.  Does anyone have a the 
name of a
person who does this?  I have had Phil Goetz of Michigan cut 
gears for
me before and he does super work but he's not set up to cut 
bevels.  Any
contact info is appreciated.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


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From plb at iinet.net.au  Sun Jan 25 15:00:59 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:00:59 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head/Vee grinding
In-Reply-To: <d45.3b86aba3.36add094@aol.com>
References: <d45.3b86aba3.36add094@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c97f40$c9963a30$5cc2ae90$@net.au>

We used to grind the prep and finish it off with a file. It lets the bronze
penetrate in a bit. 
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, 25 January 2009 11:26 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head/Vee grinding

 
In a message dated 1/24/2009 1:50:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

I'm no expert but have always been told NOT to use a grinder (of  
the abrasive type) to vee out a groove for cast iron welding as the  
abrasive (carborundum??) particles left behind in the metal may cause  
problems with the weld. I've always been told to only use a  file!


Jerry,
 
You are correct in not using abrasive type grinding tips to clean up  metal 
for epoxy repairs.  What I have are a couple of air die grinders  and use
high 
speed/carbide cutting tips to do the work.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
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From jbcast at charter.net  Sun Jan 25 16:09:39 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:09:39 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Gear Cutting Needed
In-Reply-To: <7AFDB4FBE9EF437DA85020E57FEABDA9@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <20090125190939.VT7AP.1731560.root@mp05>


---- Jim Kirkes <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote: 
> I have never cut a bevel gear but it should not be a big 
> deal as long as the teeth are straight.  A ordinary 
> horizontal mill,
> a dividing head, and a Brown and Sharpe type cutter ought to 
> do the trick.

I haven't cut any yet, plan to do some. I always pictured it as cutting the blanks at a 45 and putting it in a divider and cutting the teeth. A friend cut some for his engine and they didn't look quite right, the teeth didn't mesh fully on the outside. I looked at a blueprint I have for an old timer gear, the blank is cut at 48deg7min. The cut is made at 41deg24min. Tghis would let the outside of the tooth mesh deeper.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sun Jan 25 16:18:44 2009
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:18:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Gear Cutting Needed
References: <20090125190939.VT7AP.1731560.root@mp05>
Message-ID: <E3FE8F18938F4FDBA1DC634A8EFD9CD6@your46e94owx6a>

Hi J.B.,

I also should have added to read the section on gears and 
gearing in Machinery's Handbook and also to make some good 
measurements of what is
existing.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, California U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Jim Kirkes" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Gear Cutting Needed



---- Jim Kirkes <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote:
> I have never cut a bevel gear but it should not be a big
> deal as long as the teeth are straight.  A ordinary
> horizontal mill,
> a dividing head, and a Brown and Sharpe type cutter ought 
> to
> do the trick.

I haven't cut any yet, plan to do some. I always pictured it 
as cutting the blanks at a 45 and putting it in a divider 
and cutting the teeth. A friend cut some for his engine and 
they didn't look quite right, the teeth didn't mesh fully on 
the outside. I looked at a blueprint I have for an old timer 
gear, the blank is cut at 48deg7min. The cut is made at 
41deg24min. Tghis would let the outside of the tooth mesh 
deeper.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA


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From bill at antique-engines.com  Sun Jan 25 19:29:03 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:29:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Mystery car from last summer...
In-Reply-To: <20090125212137.0F93C9DB7C@gex-cn03.gex.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <000701c97f66$4363b750$0200a8c0@l2800>

Was it the SEL where someone posted a mystery car? Seems that it was early
or mid-summer 2008 where a link to a photo of a "mystery car" was posted.
I've lost the info on it and would like to know just WHAT that car was -
make, who made it, country, etc.

Well, it might not be stationary, but it's antique for sure!

Bill




From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Sun Jan 25 21:17:11 2009
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:17:11 -0600
Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away - SIAM 2009
In-Reply-To: <7c7ee4d706e54aa1584586270ab245f2.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <59330.168.215.206.73.1231452059.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<68AA9696-641C-48C6-A369-BAB9C68BAD9F@herculesengines.com>
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	<7c7ee4d706e54aa1584586270ab245f2.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <D4EC4F31-E007-4201-BC63-5DFEB68AA09A@herculesengines.com>

I think we could arrange for a little BBQ at the barn during SIAM.   
Who all is coming?  We're celebrating 100 years of Economy and 95  
years of Hercules this year.
Keith
www.herculesengines.com
On Jan 25, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Hi Keith,
>
> I finally took a look at your project.  WOW!!!  Man, that's what I  
> need!
> Well done!!  Always being up for a good party with sweet stack music  
> playing in the
> background, might I suggest a Bar-B-Que at or near Siam 2009?  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Sun, January 25, 2009 12:29 am, Keith Kinney wrote:
>> We'll have to schedule the barn
>> party for warmer weather. :-)
>
>
>
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Jan 26 03:32:30 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:32:30 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Lister Junior for sale
Message-ID: <6B3A67AF3BD5412DBA33EEDDB49B5C09@peterlowe>

Hi All
One for the Aussies

My mate has a Lister Junior for sale if anyone is interested, he lives in Grafton, NSW.

Lister Junior, 1947, serial #26330, 3 1/2hp, Spec A29, this is what he gave me.
It is complete except for fuel tank and muffler and runs.
Anyone interested before it goes to Ebay let me know ASAP to plowe at exemail.com.au  OFF LIST ONLY.
Asking price $500 or offers.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm

From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Jan 26 03:38:09 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 06:38:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
References: <20090123113417.969B190B05@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au><005f01c97f22$5caff1e0$66674b47@mikecomp>
	<20090125212137.0F93C9DB7C@gex-cn03.gex.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <000801c97faa$90a65ec0$66674b47@mikecomp>

Can't wat to see it :)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Campbell pic's


> Thanks Mike, The shop fillers add plenty of character to the place.
>
> Tommy I will have a crack at making a video soon and get it onto you tube!
> Will be a week or two
> Russell
>
> At 06:23 AM 26/01/2009, you wrote:
>>That is one great slideshow, and I love the shop and old signs.  My kind 
>>of
>>place.
>>
>>MR
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:34 AM
>>Subject: [SEL] Campbell pic's
>>
>>
>> > G'day all in engine land! Well to say it's hot is quiet an
>> > understatement! But never feer, I have had way to many hot days in
>> > the shed so we now have the big mother of all air conditioners in the
>> > work shop so a pussy 42 degree day is NO EXCUSE!  (YES WE CAN)  !!! :-)
>> >
>> > So ..... I found some spare time and had my darling wife help me (Yes
>> > it's true) thread some 1 1/4 in pipe for the cooling system on the
>> > campbell. I needed to get it done so I could run it again. Anyway we
>> > are getting real close for party time at the national Folks! All them
>> > who wish to see may take a peak on my webshot @:
>> > http://community.webshots.com/album/561752495RfcIse  Only a couple
>> > more pics there but the old girl is running again. Starts very easy
>> > now and is really getting some good compression up.
>> >
>> > enjoy, Russell
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jan 26 09:02:42 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:02:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT Mystery car from last summer...
In-Reply-To: <000701c97f66$4363b750$0200a8c0@l2800>
References: <20090125212137.0F93C9DB7C@gex-cn03.gex.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20090126111816.01462e70@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi Bill,
Was it this photo?
http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/UnknownCar.jpg

Never did find an ID of the car. But some suggestions from this list as to 
what the car was intended for suggested that the true ID of the car may 
never be known. The car appears to be a Vanderbilt Cup Racer or an American 
LaFrance racer. The cars were built on a chassis of custom built parts 
assembled as the builder envisioned. Much the same as todays Indy cars. The 
outer bodies many times had no resemblence to any production car of the days.
The Duesenbergs were into that type of promotion of their cars by 
racing.  The owner of the photo, TL Thousand, is the Grandson of Adolph 
Thousand heres his narrative.
"My grandfather's name was Adolph Thousand.  Before emigrating to America in
1904, he interned as a mechanical engineer with Karl Benz.  Adolph also
raced motorcycles before landing a job with the Duesenbergs."
The fellow behind the wheel is reportedly Adolph. The passenger Fred 
Duesenberg. TL was looking for what brand the car was and proof that it was 
Fred in the passsenger seat.  The photo was said to have been taken in 
Dubuque Iowa, date unknown. TL was thinking that this car might have been 
built in the Era of Maytag-Mason when the Duesenbergs were working for Mason.

                                                   Mark 



At 09:29 PM 1/25/2009 -0600, you wrote:
>Was it the SEL where someone posted a mystery car? Seems that it was early
>or mid-summer 2008 where a link to a photo of a "mystery car" was posted.
>I've lost the info on it and would like to know just WHAT that car was -
>make, who made it, country, etc.
>
>Well, it might not be stationary, but it's antique for sure!
>
>Bill

Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

Frappi at wcoil.com
419.358.5206  Home
419.516.2996 Ver. Cell
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.

      



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jan 26 10:00:16 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:00:16 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Webster inverted carburetor
Message-ID: <20090126.100016.536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  Do any of you have a picture of the carburetor on a Webster
inverted engine.  I have a non list member friend that is trying to
determine what it looks like.  Is there a possibility of two designs over
it's production period?  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 26 10:34:34 2009
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:34:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
Message-ID: <000a01c97fe4$bd3f8ee0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

http://patrickboland.com.au/project/content/Cockatoo_IV_261_2_3_4_5_tonemapped_large.html
monster lathes and mills too .  

From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jan 26 11:03:12 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:03:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
In-Reply-To: <000a01c97fe4$bd3f8ee0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <1636C82C272A4EC7A0EAD229835E40E9@tommyd0x52gkco>

Neat photos Chuck.  Do you know what that facility was used for?  Ship
building or work?

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chuck
Balyeat
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:35 PM
To: SEL
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay

http://patrickboland.com.au/project/content/Cockatoo_IV_261_2_3_4_5_tone
mapped_large.html
monster lathes and mills too .  
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From kosh at ncweb.com  Mon Jan 26 11:43:27 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:43:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
In-Reply-To: <1636C82C272A4EC7A0EAD229835E40E9@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <000a01c97fe4$bd3f8ee0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090126142122.0397b820@ncweb.com>

Chased some links and found...

http://www.cockatooisland.gov.au/

http://www.patrickboland.com.au/Project/About_the_Project.html
http://www.patrickboland.com.au/Project/Cockatoo_Island_Project.html

I hadn't heard about this project, it's really unusual for a government body
to be so farsighted.

Gorgeous photos.

Dave Merchant



At 02:03 PM 1/26/2009, you wrote:
>Neat photos Chuck.  Do you know what that facility was used for?  Ship
>building or work?
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chuck
>Balyeat
>Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:35 PM
>To: SEL
>Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
>
>http://patrickboland.com.au/project/content/Cockatoo_IV_261_2_3_4_5_tone
>mapped_large.html
>monster lathes and mills too .
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Jan 26 12:01:10 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:01:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
In-Reply-To: <1636C82C272A4EC7A0EAD229835E40E9@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <1636C82C272A4EC7A0EAD229835E40E9@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <DBFC0DC688684A738A428FE44959DAE2@KerryPC>

Yes Tommy, the island is in the middle of Sydney harbor and was a Government 
shipbuilding facility, built most of our warships for a long period of time, 
outdated, small size, and in the wrong spot seen the closure.
they have cleaned up a large area on the island and you can now camp / tent 
on the island, fantastic sights of the city.

Kerry



> Neat photos Chuck.  Do you know what that facility was used for?  Ship
> building or work?
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chuck
> Balyeat
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:35 PM
> To: SEL
> Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
>
> http://patrickboland.com.au/project/content/Cockatoo_IV_261_2_3_4_5_tone
> mapped_large.html
> monster lathes and mills too .
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 26 13:11:50 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:11:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Webster inverted carburetor
In-Reply-To: <20090126.100016.536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090126.100016.536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W1278923B03A6CA9E0BA79495CA0@phx.gbl>


HI Ron , I just sent you two pics I had of one, hope it helps, Steve> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:00:16 -0800> From: rdhaskell at juno.com> Subject: [SEL] Webster inverted carburetor> > Hi all. Do any of you have a picture of the carburetor on a Webster> inverted engine. I have a non list member friend that is trying to> determine what it looks like. Is there a possibility of two designs over> it's production period? Thanks.> > Ron Haskell> rdhaskell at juno.com> Riverside, California USA> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell> ____________________________________________________________> Power up with a cell phone booster and never worry about weak signals again. Click now!> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3K9Le94U9V12ljjiDerSjJw1unsLBF07iTX6YF0cxYXPp4p/> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Jan 26 13:14:25 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:14:25 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
References: <000a01c97fe4$bd3f8ee0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <DF68F57EB5B94B04ABA3D72A6C7CCD0E@peterlowe>

Hi Chuck

How did you come across this web site, by accident or did someone lead you 
there???

Cocktoo Island was firstly a convict prison and later a ship yard.

http://www.cockatooisland.gov.au/

http://www.timeoutsydney.com.au/aroundtown/cockatoo-island.aspx

http://tinyurl.com/d6dtut

Regards
Peter, Oz





> http://patrickboland.com.au/project/content/Cockatoo_IV_261_2_3_4_5_tonemapped_large.html
> monster lathes and mills too .
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Mon Jan 26 13:34:48 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:34:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
In-Reply-To: <DBFC0DC688684A738A428FE44959DAE2@KerryPC>
References: <1636C82C272A4EC7A0EAD229835E40E9@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<DBFC0DC688684A738A428FE44959DAE2@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <497E2C78.30801@rustic-engines.com>

I wouldn't actually say "in the middle" Kerry, but .... :-)

Here's a few more for interest sake.

> http://www.naa.gov.au/naaresources/publications/research_guides/guides/dockyard/illustrations/pic014.htm

> http://www.timeoutsydney.com.au/aroundtown/cockatoo-island.aspx

> http://www.harbourtrust.gov.au/topics/resourcephotoscockatoo.html

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Kerry wrote:
> Yes Tommy, the island is in the middle of Sydney harbor and was a Government 
> shipbuilding facility, built most of our warships for a long period of time, 
> outdated, small size, and in the wrong spot seen the closure.
> they have cleaned up a large area on the island and you can now camp / tent 
> on the island, fantastic sights of the city.
>
> Kerry
>
>
>
>   
>> Neat photos Chuck.  Do you know what that facility was used for?  Ship
>> building or work?
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chuck
>> Balyeat
>> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:35 PM
>> To: SEL
>> Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
>>
>> http://patrickboland.com.au/project/content/Cockatoo_IV_261_2_3_4_5_tone
>> mapped_large.html
>> monster lathes and mills too .
>>     
>


From ilifa at internode.on.net  Mon Jan 26 14:00:14 2009
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:00:14 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
In-Reply-To: <497E2C78.30801@rustic-engines.com>
References: <1636C82C272A4EC7A0EAD229835E40E9@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<DBFC0DC688684A738A428FE44959DAE2@KerryPC>
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Message-ID: <9590DD8D-CA3B-45A0-BFB2-28E97BFBC948@internode.on.net>

Cockatoo Docks & Engineering Co Ltd have been on my list of possible  
engine maker, though I have not found any evidence that they did. They  
certainly would have had the facilities. Do any of you blokes closer  
to Cockatoo Island than me, in sunny western Victoria, have any clues  
about marine engine building?

Eric


From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 26 14:27:40 2009
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:27:40 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
References: <000a01c97fe4$bd3f8ee0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<DF68F57EB5B94B04ABA3D72A6C7CCD0E@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <001801c98005$4d600520$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

> How did you come across this web site, by accident or did someone lead you
> there??
>
> Regards
> Peter, Oz



BoingBoing  , check it once every day or two , amongst others  .



Chuck



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jan 26 15:34:16 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:34:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Webster inverted carburetor
Message-ID: <c47769a15612e11abb1dacb1c4807700.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Ron,

Have your friend get in touch with Jim Fehl at oldengine at hvwisp.net.
Jim has more inverteds than anyone else I know.  Most are Gemmers (I think), but if
he doesn't have any Websters I'm sure he knows folks who do.

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, January 26, 2009 1:00 pm, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> Hi all.  Do any of you have a picture of the carburetor on a Webster
> inverted engine.  I have a non list member friend that is trying to
> determine what it looks like.  Is there a possibility of two designs over
> it's production period?  Thanks.




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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 26 16:22:10 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:22:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Cracked Head
Message-ID: <75031.82296.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I own one but like so many other things I have never used it.
Too busy hunting work right now.
I have watched a demostration several times at the Buckley Old Engine Show.
Also it came with a very nice DVD.
With what I have seen with my own eyes you could cut a gear out of 3/8" steel 
if your hand was steady enough. ?
And do it very quick too with very little slag/blow through. Whatever you call it????

Last Fall I bought one of those little oxy/acy. torch kits with the small tanks that you 
can carry around. ?
I am going to use it with my Cobra torch when I get around to using it.

The guy showing it has an old cast iron exhaust manifold that he keeps grinding 
holes in it then welding them shut.
You can weld thin metal very nice and because it is a softer weld you can then bend
 the weld all ways. ?That is in steel, aluminum or stainless steel.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:

From: Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked Head
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 9:54 AM

In a message dated 1/23/2009 8:41:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,? 
rustaholic777 at yahoo.com writes:

Check? out this torch.
IF you decide to weld it why not use a cast iron rod?
_http://www.cut-like-plasma.com/info_welding_cast_iron.htm_ 
(http://www.cut-like-plasma.com/info_welding_cast_iron.htm) 

Alan,

Anyone ever used this torch?? Looks like a nice item to have in the? shop.


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From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jan 26 16:30:58 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:30:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
In-Reply-To: <000a01c97fe4$bd3f8ee0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20090126192332.03d031f0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Great industrial photography!.  In the photo of the door that has the 
Christmas tree on it, I smiled at the thought of what made or caused 
someone to think it necessary to write THE KEY FITS HERE above the key 
hole.                 Mark

At 12:34 PM 1/26/2009 -0600, you wrote:
>http://patrickboland.com.au/project/content/Cockatoo_IV_261_2_3_4_5_tonemapped_large.html
>monster lathes and mills too .
>________






From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Jan 27 08:01:17 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:01:17 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
References: <1636C82C272A4EC7A0EAD229835E40E9@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<DBFC0DC688684A738A428FE44959DAE2@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <4ACEAC55DC4C4DC2AE573B578C9838F4@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Quite right Kerry ...Sydney has it all! In West Australia we had the Midland 
Railway Workshops ,a large complex where they made locos etc and many other 
things .The workshops built in the early 1900 .Talk that it would be 
preserved but it has been whittled away and now just about all of it 
consists of apartments and residences .
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay


> Yes Tommy, the island is in the middle of Sydney harbor and was a 
> Government
> shipbuilding facility, built most of our warships for a long period of 
> time,
> outdated, small size, and in the wrong spot seen the closure.
> they have cleaned up a large area on the island and you can now camp / 
> tent
> on the island, fantastic sights of the city.
>
> Kerry
>
>
>
>> Neat photos Chuck.  Do you know what that facility was used for?  Ship
>> building or work?
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chuck
>> Balyeat
>> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:35 PM
>> To: SEL
>> Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
>>
>> http://patrickboland.com.au/project/content/Cockatoo_IV_261_2_3_4_5_tone
>> mapped_large.html
>> monster lathes and mills too .
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Mon Jan 26 17:15:56 2009
From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:15:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] inline 4
Message-ID: <BFDCA0E30C5841B39BF45D4FDFF3C92A@billPC>

just picked up an inline 4 cylinder wisconsin air cooled engine,,,, does anyone have one of these, or a manual ? or maybe a parts engine,, i;m missing part of the upper shroud and air cleaner,,,,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

From gastzt at aol.com  Mon Jan 26 18:39:23 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:39:23 EST
Subject: [SEL] inline 4
Message-ID: <c5a.41153c58.36afcddb@aol.com>

oh my gosh--never saw an inline 4--   (lots of  V-4's)----I have 2 inline 
2-cyl! (AHH)---  GOOD ol' engines--   will keep our eyes peeled--!
 Stan Zettner
Pleasanton, Tx--
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From ilifa at internode.on.net  Mon Jan 26 19:06:55 2009
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:06:55 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  inline 4
In-Reply-To: <c5a.41153c58.36afcddb@aol.com>
References: <c5a.41153c58.36afcddb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5E804104-AD13-41D3-8A5A-27143F8CE5D1@internode.on.net>

gastzt at aol.com wrote:

> oh my gosh--never saw an inline 4--

There is a picture of one here http://tinyurl.com/d3m5dx

Eric


From bdb at mchsi.com  Mon Jan 26 19:26:10 2009
From: bdb at mchsi.com (bdb)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:26:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Webster inverted carburetor
References: <20090126.100016.536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <2FA2D27AC14F43C9AB5ADD07C834C777@VALUED20606295>

Hi Ron. I sent you a picture of an early Webster engine showing the carb and 
fuel pump. Hope this helps.
Barry

Barry D Buchanan
410 S. Moore
Ottumwa, IA. 52501

When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to look
like a nail.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 12:00 PM
Subject: [SEL] Webster inverted carburetor


> Hi all.  Do any of you have a picture of the carburetor on a Webster
> inverted engine.  I have a non list member friend that is trying to
> determine what it looks like.  Is there a possibility of two designs over
> it's production period?  Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Jan 26 19:54:43 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:54:43 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Webster inverted carburetor
Message-ID: <20090126.195443.1932.10.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 I got it Barry.  Thanks so much, I will pass it on.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:26:10 -0600 "bdb" <bdb at mchsi.com> writes:
> Hi Ron. I sent you a picture of an early Webster engine showing the 
> carb and 
> fuel pump. Hope this helps.
> Barry
> 
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> 
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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Mon Jan 26 20:15:07 2009
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:15:07 EST
Subject: [SEL] inline 4
Message-ID: <d23.347e06e6.36afe44b@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/26/2009 7:20:47 PM Central Standard Time,  
bboyce at swat.coop writes:

just  picked up an inline 4 cylinder wisconsin air cooled engine,,,, does 
anyone  have one of these, or a manual ? or maybe a parts engine,, i;m missing 
part of  the upper shroud and air cleaner,,,,,
bill boyce
lost prairie,  arkansas
_______________________________________________


Hi Bill,
A friend of mine who isn't a list member at this time  does have an engine 
like yours.  I forwarded your request to him and below  you'll see his two 
responses.  
 
I wish you success with your engine.  I have seen  Gerald's inline four and 
it is a fine looking engine.
 
Regards,
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, MO USA  (where all the little Maytags  are safely tucked away 
awaiting the Sprint thaw.  Damn!  It is COLD  out.)
 
 
*****************************
Hi Ron,
 
I do indeed have a Wisconsin AC4.  There were  thousands of these engines 
built mainly for use on combines from what I  understand.  However, there were a 
few that were built strictly for  stationary power units complete with a metal 
"dog house" enclosure complete with  removable louvered side panels and a 
large gas tank built into the top of the  enclosure.  These are not very common 
and this is what I have.  My  engine was built in 1943.  These engines have 
aluminum blocks and are  magneto fired, using a simple updraft carburetor.  They 
are built using  Timken main roller bearings on the ends of the crankshaft.  
This gives the  ability to remove paper shims from under the end bearing caps 
to take up slack  as the bearings wear.  When I acquired my engine the bearings 
were  shot.  At that time we still owned the power equipment company and did 
lots  of work on Wisconsin engines.  We tried to get parts from Wisconsin but 
had  no luck.  However, as it turns out we were able to go to NAPA and find  
bearings that would work.  We also found rings to fit the pistons.  We  
eventually did a complete rebuild on my engine including rings, bearings and  valves. 
 The air cleaner used on an AC4 is a standard large  size Wisconsin can type 
of filter with the "hat" cover using a replacement  dry filter element inside. 
 After a little digging I eventually found a man  in California who somehow 
had acquired the stock of a large Wisconsin dealer  there including service 
manuals.  He agreed to copy all his AC4 data for me  for a fee.  Over a period of 
several years I shared this information with  anyone asking for help never 
asking for or expecting any compensation to  cover the time and cost of copying 
and mailing the sizable amount of information  I had.   The last time I did 
it, I sent it all free of charge to a  collector and never received so much as a 
"thank you".   When I  retired, the ring binders containing the information 
were packed away with  dozens of other leftovers from years of business and 
stacked in a large pile  somewhere in my basement....never to be seen again in 
the last several  years.  I wish I knew what ever happened to the information 
but I  don't.   The best advice I can give anyone trying to rebuild one is to  
use NAPA as a parts source and try to cross match parts to fit.
 
I forgot to mention that my engine has the hand  clutch and flat belt pulley 
on it.  I use it each year at our church  Heritage Day to power my big corn 
sheller.  It can be a little contrary to  hand crank sometimes but once you 
learn the procedure and how to choke and not  choke it, it starts reliably.
 
Now you know about all I know to tell about the  AC4.  If you want to pass 
this info along to the guy that posted to the  list, feel free to do so.  
Unfortunately I no longer have access to the  manuals and materials I once had.  I 
wish I had taken better care of  them.
 
Gerald

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  _MaytagTwin at aol.com_ (mailto:MaytagTwin at aol.com)  
To: _geraldajohnson at bellsouth.net_ (mailto:geraldajohnson at bellsouth.net)   
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:24  PM
Subject: Fwd: [SEL] inline 4


Hi Gerald,
Don't you have one of these inline 4 Wisconsin air  cooled engines?
Ron

 
******************************
 
Me again.  I just did a quick Google search  for Wisconsin AC4 and believe it 
or not, there is a company now offering a  complete copy of an original 
service manual!  You might want to pass this  along to the person needing one.  
 
_http://www.agriconmanuals.com/engines-wisconsin-overhead-valvesvcpts-service-
p-31091.html_ 
(http://www.agriconmanuals.com/engines-wisconsin-overhead-valvesvcpts-service-p-31091.html) 
 
Gerald

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From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jan 26 20:33:10 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:33:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Mystery car from last summer...
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.1.20090126111816.01462e70@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c98038$632590e0$0200a8c0@l2800>

Thanks for the refresher........

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:03 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Mystery car from last summer...

Hi Bill,
Was it this photo?
http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/UnknownCar.jpg

Never did find an ID of the car. But some suggestions from this list as to 
what the car was intended for suggested that the true ID of the car may 
never be known. The car appears to be a Vanderbilt Cup Racer or an American 
LaFrance racer. The cars were built on a chassis of custom built parts 
assembled as the builder envisioned. Much the same as todays Indy cars. The 
outer bodies many times had no resemblence to any production car of the
days.
The Duesenbergs were into that type of promotion of their cars by 
racing.  The owner of the photo, TL Thousand, is the Grandson of Adolph 
Thousand heres his narrative.
"My grandfather's name was Adolph Thousand.  Before emigrating to America in
1904, he interned as a mechanical engineer with Karl Benz.  Adolph also
raced motorcycles before landing a job with the Duesenbergs."
The fellow behind the wheel is reportedly Adolph. The passenger Fred 
Duesenberg. TL was looking for what brand the car was and proof that it was 
Fred in the passsenger seat.  The photo was said to have been taken in 
Dubuque Iowa, date unknown. TL was thinking that this car might have been 
built in the Era of Maytag-Mason when the Duesenbergs were working for
Mason.

                                                   Mark 



At 09:29 PM 1/25/2009 -0600, you wrote:
>Was it the SEL where someone posted a mystery car? Seems that it was early
>or mid-summer 2008 where a link to a photo of a "mystery car" was posted.
>I've lost the info on it and would like to know just WHAT that car was -
>make, who made it, country, etc.
>
>Well, it might not be stationary, but it's antique for sure!
>
>Bill

Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

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From gastzt at aol.com  Tue Jan 27 04:04:21 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:04:21 EST
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  inline 4
Message-ID: <d65.2fb4b90a.36b05245@aol.com>

gee thanks ever sooo much, Eric---appreciate  this!!!
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 27 06:47:34 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:47:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Webster inverted carburetor
In-Reply-To: <20090126.100016.536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090126.100016.536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BLU135-W35CB984A46D1910D02909CC8CB0@phx.gbl>


Hi Ron,
 
I have some Webster pics here:
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port02/portland02.html
 


Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA






----------------------------------------
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:00:16 -0800
> From: rdhaskell at juno.com
> Subject: [SEL] Webster inverted carburetor
>
> Hi all. Do any of you have a picture of the carburetor on a Webster
> inverted engine. I have a non list member friend that is trying to
> determine what it looks like. Is there a possibility of two designs over
> it's production period? Thanks.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 07:34:23 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:34:23 +0000
Subject: [SEL] inline 4
In-Reply-To: <BFDCA0E30C5841B39BF45D4FDFF3C92A@billPC>
References: <BFDCA0E30C5841B39BF45D4FDFF3C92A@billPC>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901270734n1f2f5f9ei713f4f351ea9de81@mail.gmail.com>

On 27/01/2009, bill boyce <bboyce at swat.coop> wrote:
> just picked up an inline 4 cylinder wisconsin air cooled engine,,,, does
> anyone have one of these, or a manual ? or maybe a parts engine,, i;m
> missing part of the upper shroud and air cleaner,,,,,
> bill boyce
> lost prairie, arkansas
>

Sold as the Wisconsin AC4 or in the UK, Lister sold it as the ACL4
under their own name, and produced a few at Dursley.

Peter
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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Jan 27 10:42:01 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:42:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] EHOWT one more?
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W1278923B03A6CA9E0BA79495CA0@phx.gbl>
References: <20090126.100016.536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<COL112-W1278923B03A6CA9E0BA79495CA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909B6DB09@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

Arnie Fero has decided to join the European engine tour!

At the present time the group is:

George Best
Harry Terpstra
Larry Anger
Steve Royster
Arnie Fero

We need one more person to join the group for a 10 day tour of engine
collections in Holland, Germany, Belgium, and  ?.

Arriving in Amsterdam on Friday, May 29th and ending on Monday, June 8th
departing from Amsterdam.

If you'd like to join the group or need more information contact me at:

George_best at adp.com
George at irontrader.com

Please send your message to both addresses (work & home) so I'll be sure
to see it.

George


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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jan 28 04:54:43 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:54:43 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Dead Battery
Message-ID: <4961B0375BFF45C09DA254EC5B0617A7@acer8ff47bfe9a>

In these days of financal crisis rather than '' Give '' dead batteries to the scrap man has anyone got an idea about reviving them?

From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jan 27 14:05:50 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:05:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Dead Battery
References: <4961B0375BFF45C09DA254EC5B0617A7@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <6B511F6BC48F4E1E9724A3660673AB0A@peterlowe>

Buy a new one, they are rubbish these days and only last a third of what 
they used to.
Peter



> In these days of financal crisis rather than '' Give '' dead batteries to 
> the scrap man has anyone got an idea about reviving them?
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From george at irontrader.com  Tue Jan 27 15:01:16 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (george at irontrader.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:01:16 -0700
Subject: [SEL] EHOWT one more?
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909B6DB09@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <20090126.100016.536.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<COL112-W1278923B03A6CA9E0BA79495CA0@phx.gbl>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909B6DB09@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <20090127160116.09wre6jd6o8w8g0c@100megs28.com>

Just one more plug for this on SEL.

If you're ever thought that one of Wendel's engine tours would be  
interesting to go on, you might want to consider this one.  It will  
cost you less to go on this tour, plus you'll see a lot more  
collections and see some rare engines that the bigger tour groups  
never see.

We have room for one more person. We want an even number of people as  
we get double occupancy rooms.

If no one from SEL speaks up, I'll offer the last place to someone on  
SmokStak.

George


Quoting "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>:

> Arnie Fero has decided to join the European engine tour!
>
> At the present time the group is:
>
> George Best
> Harry Terpstra
> Larry Anger
> Steve Royster
> Arnie Fero
>
> We need one more person to join the group for a 10 day tour of engine
> collections in Holland, Germany, Belgium, and  ?.
>
> Arriving in Amsterdam on Friday, May 29th and ending on Monday, June 8th
> departing from Amsterdam.
>
> If you'd like to join the group or need more information contact me at:
>
> George_best at adp.com
> George at irontrader.com
>
> Please send your message to both addresses (work & home) so I'll be sure
> to see it.
>
> George





From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Tue Jan 27 15:17:06 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:17:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Dead Battery
In-Reply-To: <6B511F6BC48F4E1E9724A3660673AB0A@peterlowe>
References: <4961B0375BFF45C09DA254EC5B0617A7@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<6B511F6BC48F4E1E9724A3660673AB0A@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <497F95F2.3070706@rustic-engines.com>

Try a deep cycle battery with solid plates or maybe look at this:

> http://www.austrol.com.au/index.cfm?menukey=125

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Peter Lowe wrote:
> Buy a new one, they are rubbish these days and only last a third of what 
> they used to.
> Peter
>
>
>
>   
>> In these days of financal crisis rather than '' Give '' dead batteries to 
>> the scrap man has anyone got an idea about reviving them?
>>     
>


From endacomm10 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 27 17:07:45 2009
From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:07:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Dead Battery
In-Reply-To: <6B511F6BC48F4E1E9724A3660673AB0A@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <863904.15673.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>



Peter Lowe <plowe at exemail.com.au> wrote:    Buy a new one, they are rubbish these days and only last a third of what 
they used to.
Peter

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   You guys are a fairly bright bunch. I Mean, You build your own tools (when
  necessary) You Fabricate replacement parts (Whenever possible) So Why 
  not build your own batteries ? ..  Use some 1/8'' to 3/16'' inch plexi or lexan
  for the case. Cut open your old batteries. glean whatever materials you can
  (In the case of plates and substrates) ALL the lead. Don't forget to save the electrolyte. Make a case (Similar to a fish tank) of necessary size for the
  need. Add evenly spaced dividers ( 1 per 2 volt needed) Seal well with clear
  ATV Silicone . All the lead plates can be melted down easily, and re-molded
  into correct sized plates and connectors. The other plates (Usually lead peroxide may be a bit trickier to rework) Have had Some successes and failures there.
    Reguardless. Copper plates can also be used (Theoretically) Any Dissimilar
  metal pairs will work. (In FACT They can all be lead) However this method will yield a bettery which has no predetermined Polatiry !  You get the general idea anyway.
    So If you're tired of throwing away $$$ on Batteries. Re-Cycle/Rebuild them yourself. No only will you have more coins in the purse for that next big engine project, But you'll also have the satisfaction you get from Do-It-Yourself-ing And have a battery that should outlast anything commercially available. Who Knows, Might even outlast your new car/truck/whatever (which really isn't saying much), But then that's a different discussion altogether.
   
  

> In these days of financal crisis rather than '' Give '' dead batteries to 
> the scrap man has anyone got an idea about reviving them?
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Jan 28 10:31:19 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 03:31:19 +0900
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
Message-ID: <28E6724B57424C67BB66FC59348F9066@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Thanks for that S.Work .Wondering what is the cause of battery failure? Is it the sulphurisation[ Is that he right term/} of the plates . Could it be that if this is the case this build up on the plates could be removed? Is there a substance that would do this job ? 

From endacomm10 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 27 19:49:50 2009
From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:49:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <28E6724B57424C67BB66FC59348F9066@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <849826.25307.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>



peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:     Thanks for that S.Work .Wondering what is the cause of battery failure? Is it the sulphurisation[ Is that he right term/} of the plates . Could it be that if this is the case this build up on the plates could be removed? Is there a substance that would do this job ? 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  That is the correct term (Sorta) sulphation is the bonding of elemental sulfur to the lead plates , Being relatively Non-Conductive it prevents the cell affected from charging properly. There have been witch doctor cures, Of which most cause more problems than they cure. (If there were a simple and reliable cure there would be no battery re-builders) The Main problem with chemical treatment, would be completely flushing the sulfuric acid from the substrates. Introducing a leaching agent to release the sulfur , Then Completely removing that from the substrates prior to reintroduction of normal electrolyte. Since the Substrates are much like Sponges, it would be nearly impossible without dissassembly. And if you're gonna go that far, Why not just Build-Rebuild it.Melt the lead, Sulpher releases, and floats on top. Skim it off. and re-cast your plates.
   
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From falcon at telenet.net  Tue Jan 27 20:51:52 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:51:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <28E6724B57424C67BB66FC59348F9066@acer8ff47bfe9a>
References: <28E6724B57424C67BB66FC59348F9066@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <497FE468.3070905@telenet.net>

peter ogborne wrote:
> Thanks for that S.Work .Wondering what is the cause of battery
> failure? Is it the sulphurisation[ Is that he right term/} of the
> plates . Could it be that if this is the case this build up on the
> plates could be removed? Is there a substance that would do this job
> ? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list 
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> 

http://www.batteryfaq.org/

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Van Hornesville Vol. Fire Dept


From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Tue Jan 27 20:56:10 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:56:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <28E6724B57424C67BB66FC59348F9066@acer8ff47bfe9a>
References: <28E6724B57424C67BB66FC59348F9066@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <497FE56A.7090200@rustic-engines.com>

There are additives for Sulfation. However I think it would be like 
throwing out the bath water with the baby. :-) Or vise versa.

As PL offered, most batteries today are made to a price. That is, the 
sooner they expire, the sooner you buy another.

Have a look here and you can get a glimpse of the different building 
methodology used and how they die.

> http://www.rpc.com.au/products/batteries/car-deepcycle/carfaq2.htm

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



peter ogborne wrote:
> Thanks for that S.Work .Wondering what is the cause of battery failure? Is it the sulphurisation[ Is that he right term/} of the plates . Could it be that if this is the case this build up on the plates could be removed? Is there a substance that would do this job ? 
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Jan 27 22:30:50 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:30:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Cockatoo Island photo essay
In-Reply-To: <9590DD8D-CA3B-45A0-BFB2-28E97BFBC948@internode.on.net>
References: <1636C82C272A4EC7A0EAD229835E40E9@tommyd0x52gkco><DBFC0DC688684A738A428FE44959DAE2@KerryPC><497E2C78.30801@rustic-engines.com>
	<9590DD8D-CA3B-45A0-BFB2-28E97BFBC948@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <1F15DB7CC0854BEFBCC70DAE7356E279@PML>

If a Cockatoo built engine exists they may have one at the Sydney Heritage
Fleet:
http://www.shf.org.au/Engine/NEngine.html
I only live a Km or so from the collection so I should and have a look one
day...

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

-----Original Message-----


Cockatoo Docks & Engineering Co Ltd have been on my list of possible  
engine maker, though I have not found any evidence that they did. They  
certainly would have had the facilities. Do any of you blokes closer  
to Cockatoo Island than me, in sunny western Victoria, have any clues  
about marine engine building?

Eric




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 02:00:53 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:00:53 +0000
Subject: [SEL] inline 4
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160901270734n1f2f5f9ei713f4f351ea9de81@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BFDCA0E30C5841B39BF45D4FDFF3C92A@billPC>
	<6f6025160901270734n1f2f5f9ei713f4f351ea9de81@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901280200k767af383tdb2a7668755d5fbb@mail.gmail.com>

On 27/01/2009, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sold as the Wisconsin AC4 or in the UK, Lister sold it as the ACL4
> under their own name, and produced a few at Dursley.
>
> Peter

This one was at Portland last year:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08614.htm

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From clemsweller at etczone.com  Wed Jan 28 04:11:20 2009
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:11:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <497FE468.3070905@telenet.net>
References: <28E6724B57424C67BB66FC59348F9066@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<497FE468.3070905@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <000001c98141$87ba2330$972e6990$@com>

If you can get to the cells, I have had luck by pouring some peroxide in
them.  The higher the percentage on the peroxide, the better.  Pour a little
of the peroxide in each cell.  Theory is that it will chemically clean the
plates.  As I have stated, I have had some success with this.  Problem with
the sealed batteries is getting access.

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W.
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:52 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] re dead battery

peter ogborne wrote:
> Thanks for that S.Work .Wondering what is the cause of battery
> failure? Is it the sulphurisation[ Is that he right term/} of the
> plates . Could it be that if this is the case this build up on the
> plates could be removed? Is there a substance that would do this job
> ? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list 
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 

http://www.batteryfaq.org/

-- 
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Firefighter, EMT, Fire Police
Van Hornesville Vol. Fire Dept
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Wed Jan 28 04:48:39 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:48:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
References: <28E6724B57424C67BB66FC59348F9066@acer8ff47bfe9a><497FE468.3070905@telenet.net>
	<000001c98141$87ba2330$972e6990$@com>
Message-ID: <011501c98146$be5dc540$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

I just went through the learnig curve on lead acid batteries in a successful 
attempt to save a set of locmotive starting batteries.  It was discussed on 
Smokstak and the Practical Machinist forum at length.

The best thing for you to do is to order "Secrets of Lead Acid Batteries" 
from Lindsay Publications.  Seriously ORDER THE BOOK! Its under $5.00 and 
will give you more information than weeks of postings will do.

The only thing that should be added to a battery is distilled water! Once 
you understand battery chemistry you will know why this is so.  Sulphate is 
the result of the chemical reaction that produces electrical current. 
Charging is the process whereby the sulphate is converted back into acid. 
Some of the sulphate cannot be converted back to acid, and as that happens 
the battery slowly kills itself (and no amount of miracle ointments will 
reverse this problem).

So again , order the book and then follow its instructions!

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Foundation
"Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-272-4089
www.todengine.org
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Emsweller" <clemsweller at etczone.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] re dead battery


> If you can get to the cells, I have had luck by pouring some peroxide in
> them.  The higher the percentage on the peroxide, the better.  Pour a 
> little
> of the peroxide in each cell.  Theory is that it will chemically clean the
> plates.  As I have stated, I have had some success with this.  Problem 
> with
> the sealed batteries is getting access.
>
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W.
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:52 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] re dead battery
>
> peter ogborne wrote:
>> Thanks for that S.Work .Wondering what is the cause of battery
>> failure? Is it the sulphurisation[ Is that he right term/} of the
>> plates . Could it be that if this is the case this build up on the
>> plates could be removed? Is there a substance that would do this job
>> ? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>
> http://www.batteryfaq.org/
>
> -- 
> Steve Williams
> Firefighter, EMT, Fire Police
> Van Hornesville Vol. Fire Dept
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Wed Jan 28 06:26:50 2009
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:26:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
References: <849826.25307.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AF24F2DCE52A45F1B6BB070D323C2FD1@YOURDA6F5028CB>

Many years ago, in Chattanooga, there were a bunch of used battery places on 
Rossville Blvd., used car row.
What they did was simple. Pour all the old acid out into a pan, shake the 
battery around and bang it on the floor a bit. Squirt a water hose nozzle 
into the holes and repeat the procedure a couple of three times. Just pour 
the old acid back in and more water if needed. The battery would generally 
last two more years.
I did it myself for a few years but, it's rough on the clothing. \I have a 
two year old Sears battery in my car that has lids that I can remove, the 
tractor battery is sealed however, an needs a maintainer after 1-1/2 years.
Skip



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "S. Work" <endacomm10 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] re dead battery


>
>
> peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:     Thanks for that S.Work 
> .Wondering what is the cause of battery failure? Is it the 
> sulphurisation[ Is that he right term/} of the plates . Could it be that 
> if this is the case this build up on the plates could be removed? Is there 
> a substance that would do this job ?
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  That is the correct term (Sorta) sulphation is the bonding of elemental 
> sulfur to the lead plates , Being relatively Non-Conductive it prevents 
> the cell affected from charging properly. There have been witch doctor 
> cures, Of which most cause more problems than they cure. (If there were a 
> simple and reliable cure there would be no battery re-builders) The Main 
> problem with chemical treatment, would be completely flushing the sulfuric 
> acid from the substrates. Introducing a leaching agent to release the 
> sulfur , Then Completely removing that from the substrates prior to 
> reintroduction of normal electrolyte. Since the Substrates are much like 
> Sponges, it would be nearly impossible without dissassembly. And if you're 
> gonna go that far, Why not just Build-Rebuild it.Melt the lead, Sulpher 
> releases, and floats on top. Skim it off. and re-cast your plates.
>
>   Steve.
>
>  ____________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>
> 'IN GOD WE TRUST'
>
>
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From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Jan 28 10:48:47 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:48:47 -0800
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <AF24F2DCE52A45F1B6BB070D323C2FD1@YOURDA6F5028CB>
Message-ID: <20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>


Is there anyone here that won't put a battery on concrete? I have customers  that get upset when they see this. They think it will"pull the juice out of it".
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA


From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Wed Jan 28 11:36:10 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:36:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
References: <20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>
Message-ID: <016b01c9817f$ac451cd0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

That is a myth that I've heard too, but in my research I've found that it is 
nothing but bunk.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] re dead battery


>
> Is there anyone here that won't put a battery on concrete? I have 
> customers  that get upset when they see this. They think it will"pull the 
> juice out of it".
> J.B. Castagnos
> Belle Rose, LA
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 28 12:15:00 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:15:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <016b01c9817f$ac451cd0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>
	<016b01c9817f$ac451cd0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <COL112-W327C2F627426E6E05642D195C80@phx.gbl>


I've heard it all my life as well, but I suspect all that happens is the concrete slab reduces the temperature of the battery. Steve
 
 
 
> From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:36:10 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] re dead battery> > That is a myth that I've heard too, but in my research I've found that it is > nothing but bunk.> > Rick> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jbcast at charter.net>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:48 PM> Subject: Re: [SEL] re dead battery> > > >> > Is there anyone here that won't put a battery on concrete? I have > > customers that get upset when they see this. They think it will"pull the > > juice out of it".> > J.B. Castagnos> > Belle Rose, LA> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Wed Jan 28 14:10:49 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:10:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W327C2F627426E6E05642D195C80@phx.gbl>
References: <20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>	<016b01c9817f$ac451cd0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<COL112-W327C2F627426E6E05642D195C80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4980D7E9.9010402@rustic-engines.com>

Most of us in Oz could warm a battery on our concrete ATM. :-)

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Steve Royster wrote:
> I've heard it all my life as well, but I suspect all that happens is the concrete slab reduces the temperature of the battery. Steve
>  
>   
>


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jan 28 14:59:09 2009
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:59:09 -0800
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>
References: <20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>
Message-ID: <4714A820-AA98-4DF9-90B7-226AFE2C05C7@rustyiron.com>

Yup, I try to set them on a chunk of wood.  All too often, the tiny  
pH's get on the floor and etch the concrete.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Jan 28, 2009, at 10:48 AM, <jbcast at charter.net>  
<jbcast at charter.net> wrote:

>
> Is there anyone here that won't put a battery on concrete? I have  
> customers  that get upset when they see this. They think it  
> will"pull the juice out of it".
> J.B. Castagnos
> Belle Rose, LA


From kosh at ncweb.com  Wed Jan 28 15:36:03 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:36:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <4714A820-AA98-4DF9-90B7-226AFE2C05C7@rustyiron.com>
References: <20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>
	<20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090128183112.03021e30@ncweb.com>

That was a problem with the old rubber cases.

Plastic cases are supposed to eliminate the issue.

Dave Merchant


At 05:59 PM 1/28/2009, you wrote:
>Yup, I try to set them on a chunk of wood.  All too often, the tiny
>pH's get on the floor and etch the concrete.
>
>
>Rob Skinner
>Antique Stationary Engines
>La Habra, California
>
>rob at rustyiron.com
>www.rustyiron.com
>
>
>
>
>
>On Jan 28, 2009, at 10:48 AM, <jbcast at charter.net>
><jbcast at charter.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > Is there anyone here that won't put a battery on concrete? I have
> > customers  that get upset when they see this. They think it
> > will"pull the juice out of it".
> > J.B. Castagnos
> > Belle Rose, LA
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jan 28 17:11:32 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:11:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEOLHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

JB:

The 'ol battery on concrete is a bunch of BS!  I've left batteries sit on concrete for a year while on float charge and they've been fine.

If you take a near-dead battery and let it sit on concrete for a couple months it will finish dying there and the concrete will be blamed.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> jbcast at charter.net
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:49 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] re dead battery
> 
> 
> 
> Is there anyone here that won't put a battery on 
> concrete? I have customers  that get upset when 
> they see this. They think it will"pull the juice 
> out of it".
> J.B. Castagnos
> Belle Rose, LA




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jan 28 16:24:53 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:24:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Skills
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090120194557.00c320d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><002c01c97b4f$78b5c120$66674b47@mikecomp><EDF441D4-5513-401B-85FB-58B2A9A156B0@rustyiron.com><20090122162349.5zqgziv2kos0co44@100megs28.com><942767735.20090122174358@wiktel.com><00ed01c97cee$30f4cca0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC05FC3@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909AC35F1@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><007d01c97dad$4df8b950$66674b47@mikecomp>
	<672680E7-0720-4B16-898C-FCC1A842DE81@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <005c01c981a8$019fd2b0$66674b47@mikecomp>

Actually that wasn't my shop, mine is much worse than that!!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Skills


> 
> On Jan 23, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Mike Royster wrote:
> 
>> I feel very lucky to have been raised the way we were.  Fix  
>> everything,
>> throw away nothing.
> 
> Yeah, we saw the pictures of your shop.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jan 28 17:21:20 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:21:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
References: <20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>
Message-ID: <016d01c981af$e49ec4c0$66674b47@mikecomp>

I've heard that all my life!!!!
MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] re dead battery


>
> Is there anyone here that won't put a battery on concrete? I have 
> customers  that get upset when they see this. They think it will"pull the 
> juice out of it".
> J.B. Castagnos
> Belle Rose, LA
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Jan 28 17:40:33 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:40:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEOLHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20090128204033.EB9OU.3978724.root@mp17>


---- Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote: 
> JB:
> 
> The 'ol battery on concrete is a bunch of BS!  I've left batteries sit on concrete for a year while on float charge and they've been fine.
> 
> If you take a near-dead battery and let it sit on concrete for a couple months it will finish dying there and the concrete will be blamed.
> 
> Take care - Elden

We leave them on the floor, no problems. My teacher told me that got started with wood and tar batteries, when someone ask me about a battery on the floor, I tell them if it's not made of wood don't worry about it.
J.B. Castagnos


From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Jan 28 17:40:31 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:40:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEOLHNAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20090128204031.Z9354.3978720.root@mp17>


---- Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote: 
> JB:
> 
> The 'ol battery on concrete is a bunch of BS!  I've left batteries sit on concrete for a year while on float charge and they've been fine.
> 
> If you take a near-dead battery and let it sit on concrete for a couple months it will finish dying there and the concrete will be blamed.
> 
> Take care - Elden

We leave them on the floor, no problems. My teacher told me that got started with wood and tar batteries, when someone ask me about a battery on the floor, I tell them if it's not made of wood don't worry about it.
J.B. Castagnos


From elidas at aol.com  Wed Jan 28 20:33:14 2009
From: elidas at aol.com (elidas at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:33:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
In-Reply-To: <20090128204033.EB9OU.3978724.root@mp17>
Message-ID: <8CB4FE1D5538E80-14B0-3AE1@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com>




-----Original Message-----
From: jbcast at charter.net
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>

We leave them on the floor, no problems. My teacher told me that got 
started
with wood and tar batteries, when someone ask me about a battery on the 
floor, I
tell them if it's not made of wood don't worry about it.
J.B. Castagnos
_______________________________________________
  I believe its all bs also. Still I generally put them on something 
other than concrete. Just in case.
  Mike


From andyglines at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 29 06:09:22 2009
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:09:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator
Message-ID: <COL119-W13753FC19CB037D394D4DAC7C90@phx.gbl>


Like many around here, my power is out.  I have a gas furnace that runs on 110v and a 5000w generator.  I have disconnected the furnace from the house and installed a 110v plug.  When I plug the furnace in the small burner blower works and the large blower fan runs.  The trouble is that the burner will light but goes out a few seconds later.  Has anyone had this trouble?  How did you fix it.  
BTW: I use digest mode and will get your answers faster if you reply directly to me.  
 
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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 29 06:26:02 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:26:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator
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Message-ID: <BLU102-W53E8EE6F536A8C570D443FC2C90@phx.gbl>


try cleaning the heat sensor that that hangs in front of the flame, sounds like it is not detecting the flame and shuts off,  mine does that from time to time and I just take it out and clean it with some sand paper and it works fine then.  They get a coating over time on the surface of the sensor.  Hope this helps
 
Tom Winland
Ohio> From: andyglines at hotmail.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:09:22 -0500> Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator> > > Like many around here, my power is out. I have a gas furnace that runs on 110v and a 5000w generator. I have disconnected the furnace from the house and installed a 110v plug. When I plug the furnace in the small burner blower works and the large blower fan runs. The trouble is that the burner will light but goes out a few seconds later. Has anyone had this trouble? How did you fix it. > BTW: I use digest mode and will get your answers faster if you reply directly to me. > > Thanks> _________________________________________________________________> Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_012009> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Thu Jan 29 07:02:07 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:02:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator
References: <COL119-W13753FC19CB037D394D4DAC7C90@phx.gbl>
	<BLU102-W53E8EE6F536A8C570D443FC2C90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005d01c98222$8e3ed070$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

I forwarded your reply directly to Andy.

Rick

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Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator



try cleaning the heat sensor that that hangs in front of the flame, sounds 
like it is not detecting the flame and shuts off,  mine does that from time 
to time and I just take it out and clean it with some sand paper and it 
works fine then.  They get a coating over time on the surface of the sensor. 
Hope this helps

Tom Winland
Ohio> From: andyglines at hotmail.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:09:22 -0500> Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs 
generator> > > Like many around here, my power is out. I have a gas furnace 
that runs on 110v and a 5000w generator. I have disconnected the furnace 
from the house and installed a 110v plug. When I plug the furnace in the 
small burner blower works and the large blower fan runs. The trouble is that 
the burner will light but goes out a few seconds later. Has anyone had this 
trouble? How did you fix it. > BTW: I use digest mode and will get your 
answers faster if you reply directly to me. > > Thanks> 
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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Thu Jan 29 07:49:52 2009
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:49:52 -0800
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery
References: <20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>
Message-ID: <998BFB67215D4A2090A29432358B4CAA@your46e94owx6a>

Once some years ago when I was in the Army they sent me to 
mechanics school.  I remember a lecture on batteries in 
which the instructor debunked
the concrete floor discharge idea.  He did say though that 
if a dirty wet battery was placed on a wet concrete floor it 
would probably discharge.  Later when I was back at my 
regular company I happened to put some brand new tank 
batteries on the floor and was promptly sawed on by a 
sergeant who said it would wreck the batteries.  I explained 
what I had learned in school and got sawed on some more and 
wound up getting some wood to put the batteries on.  One of 
the many reasons I did not pursue a military career.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, California U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
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Subject: Re: [SEL] re dead battery



Is there anyone here that won't put a battery on concrete? I 
have customers  that get upset when they see this. They 
think it will"pull the juice out of it".
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From Jim at hardmanfamily.net  Thu Jan 29 09:08:11 2009
From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:08:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Dead Batteries & The Military
In-Reply-To: <998BFB67215D4A2090A29432358B4CAA@your46e94owx6a>
References: <20090128134847.TJQIP.1823497.root@mp07>
	<998BFB67215D4A2090A29432358B4CAA@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <E76409A145014ABAA208D424F8402F24@JamesDesktop>

Jim, your story does my heart good.

Most of us agree that concrete floors are not a threat to lead acid 
batteries.  From personal experience, a greater danger is deep discharge and 
forgetting to recharge and adding distilled water.  We now use the little 
"battery minders" and believe they have value.

I have also noticed that when a manufacturer says "Three Year Warranty", 
they mean just that, plan on needing a new battery about one month past the 
warranty expiration.

This old conservative thinks that every young person should have a tour of 
duty in the military.  It did me a lot of good.  Thin kids gain weight, fat 
kids lose weight and the memories will keep you smiling for years.  "Not 
that little mousy kind of rat, I means rat now!"

Jim in Vermont

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From: "Jim Kirkes" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] re dead battery


> Once some years ago when I was in the Army they sent me to
> mechanics school.  I remember a lecture on batteries in
> which the instructor debunked
> the concrete floor discharge idea.  He did say though that
> if a dirty wet battery was placed on a wet concrete floor it
> would probably discharge.  Later when I was back at my
> regular company I happened to put some brand new tank
> batteries on the floor and was promptly sawed on by a
> sergeant who said it would wreck the batteries.  I explained
> what I had learned in school and got sawed on some more and
> wound up getting some wood to put the batteries on.  One of
> the many reasons I did not pursue a military career.
>
> Jim 



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Jan 29 09:42:53 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:42:53 +0200
Subject: [SEL] re dead battery/Army life
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1233248402.30196.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090129192810.00c54bc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 29/01/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:49:52 -0800
>From: "Jim Kirkes" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>

>Once some years ago when I was in the Army they sent me to
>mechanics school.  I remember a lecture on batteries in
>which the instructor debunked
>the concrete floor discharge idea.  He did say though that
>if a dirty wet battery was placed on a wet concrete floor it
>would probably discharge.  Later when I was back at my
>regular company I happened to put some brand new tank
>batteries on the floor and was promptly sawed on by a
>sergeant who said it would wreck the batteries.  I explained
>what I had learned in school and got sawed on some more and
>wound up getting some wood to put the batteries on.  One of
>the many reasons I did not pursue a military career.
>Jim
>Jim and Diane Kirkes
>Hemet, California U.S.A.

Hi Jim,
         Reminds me of my army days - the instructors were not usually 
known for their brain power.
         In lectures we used to love asking them a question that we knew 
they would not be able to answer. The stock answer was "Sh_t question - next!"

         Back to batteries on concrete floors. I've also heard that all my 
life but the idea was also debunked years ago when the casings became better.
         I loved Eldens  answer.

         I still put them on a block of wood for the following reasons:
         a) As Rob mentioned, to protect the floor from acid.
         b) So that I do not have to listen to the whining of "know all" 
friends if they see them on the concrete.
         c) Just in case :-)



From jbcast at charter.net  Thu Jan 29 10:27:01 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:27:01 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator
In-Reply-To: <005d01c98222$8e3ed070$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <20090129132701.G5C4Y.2443860.root@mp19>



> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator
> 
> 
> 
> try cleaning the heat sensor that that hangs in front of the flame, sounds 
> like it is not detecting the flame and shuts off,  mine does that from time 
> to time and I just take it out and clean it with some sand paper and it 
> works fine then.  They get a coating over time on the surface of the sensor. 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Tom Winland
> Ohio> From: andyglines at hotmail.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:09:22 -0500> Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs 
> generator> > > Like many around here, my power is out. I have a gas furnace 
> that runs on 110v and a 5000w generator. I have disconnected the furnace 
> from the house and installed a 110v plug. When I plug the furnace in the 
> small burner blower works and the large blower fan runs. The trouble is that 
> the burner will light but goes out a few seconds later. Has anyone had this 
> trouble? How did you fix it. > BTW: I use digest mode and will get your 
> answers faster if you reply directly to me. > > Thanks> 
> _________________________________________________________________> 

It probably has an electronic board that controls burning, some of these don't like the "dirty" electrictiy  produced by a generator. After Hurricane Gustav I ran my house on a generator for 10 days, my new washing machine wouldn't perform correctly. I used an old one with a mechanical timer, no problem. If you can find a large inverter it may run on this, some don't like that current either, if you ca't fine one large enough you could hook the blower direct and let the inverter run the electronics.

J.B. Castagnos


From b2 at chooka.net  Thu Jan 29 10:42:04 2009
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:42:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator
In-Reply-To: <20090129132701.G5C4Y.2443860.root@mp19>
References: <005d01c98222$8e3ed070$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<20090129132701.G5C4Y.2443860.root@mp19>
Message-ID: <046C287AC2904C3B87969E3A6A76AF39@apluscomputer.local>

I run into the same thing using a generator as power backup in the computer
business.  We use the generator to power the battery backup units and that
cleans up the signal enough to keep the computers happy.

B?

Bill Brueck
   Chatfield, Minnesota, USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
jbcast at charter.net
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:27 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator



> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator
> 
> 
> 
> try cleaning the heat sensor that that hangs in front of the flame, 
> sounds like it is not detecting the flame and shuts off,  mine does 
> that from time to time and I just take it out and clean it with some 
> sand paper and it works fine then.  They get a coating over time on the
surface of the sensor.
> Hope this helps
> 
> Tom Winland
> Ohio> From: andyglines at hotmail.com> To: 
> Ohio> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:09:22 -0500> Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs
> generator> > > Like many around here, my power is out. I have a gas 
> generator> > > furnace
> that runs on 110v and a 5000w generator. I have disconnected the 
> furnace from the house and installed a 110v plug. When I plug the 
> furnace in the small burner blower works and the large blower fan 
> runs. The trouble is that the burner will light but goes out a few 
> seconds later. Has anyone had this trouble? How did you fix it. > BTW: 
> I use digest mode and will get your answers faster if you reply 
> directly to me. > > Thanks> 
> _________________________________________________________________>

It probably has an electronic board that controls burning, some of these
don't like the "dirty" electrictiy  produced by a generator. After Hurricane
Gustav I ran my house on a generator for 10 days, my new washing machine
wouldn't perform correctly. I used an old one with a mechanical timer, no
problem. If you can find a large inverter it may run on this, some don't
like that current either, if you ca't fine one large enough you could hook
the blower direct and let the inverter run the electronics.

J.B. Castagnos
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From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Thu Jan 29 14:16:04 2009
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:16:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fordson Snow Tractor
Message-ID: <49822AA4.5020508@accnorwalk.com>

Someone on another list posted this link to a video of a Fordson 
specially fitted for snow operation. Seems like maybe Rick Strobel or 
someone posted a photo from a museum that had something similar?  
Enjoy!  
http://tywkiwdbi.blogspot.com/2009/01/1926-snowmobile-could-pull-20-ton-load.html



From nox2743 at blackfoot.net  Thu Jan 29 15:45:43 2009
From: nox2743 at blackfoot.net (Daybreak Farms)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:45:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator
In-Reply-To: <COL119-W13753FC19CB037D394D4DAC7C90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <IJEJKKNLFLHHJLIILHDMOEFNCIAA.nox2743@blackfoot.net>

I run a genset back up power and have no problems running my propane
furnace. Are you supplying control power to your gas valve? Is your pilot
flame staying on? PK

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Andy Glines
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:09 AM
To: stationary engine
Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator



Like many around here, my power is out.  I have a gas furnace that runs on
110v and a 5000w generator.  I have disconnected the furnace from the house
and installed a 110v plug.  When I plug the furnace in the small burner
blower works and the large blower fan runs.  The trouble is that the burner
will light but goes out a few seconds later.  Has anyone had this trouble?
How did you fix it.
BTW: I use digest mode and will get your answers faster if you reply
directly to me.

Thanks
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 23:43:45 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:43:45 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fordson Snow Tractor
In-Reply-To: <49822AA4.5020508@accnorwalk.com>
References: <49822AA4.5020508@accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901292343u46066433wac665368fc185865@mail.gmail.com>

On 29/01/2009, Doug Tallman <dtallman at accnorwalk.com> wrote:
> Someone on another list posted this link to a video of a Fordson
> specially fitted for snow operation. Seems like maybe Rick Strobel or
> someone posted a photo from a museum that had something similar?
> Enjoy!

I think that's similar to the one at the Heidrick Agricultural Museum.
Got a picture on one of our trip reports, possibly the one in the link
that was posted.

Peter
-- 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 23:46:51 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:46:51 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fordson Snow Tractor
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160901292343u46066433wac665368fc185865@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49822AA4.5020508@accnorwalk.com>
	<6f6025160901292343u46066433wac665368fc185865@mail.gmail.com>
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On 30/01/2009, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 29/01/2009, Doug Tallman <dtallman at accnorwalk.com> wrote:
>> Someone on another list posted this link to a video of a Fordson
>> specially fitted for snow operation. Seems like maybe Rick Strobel or
>> someone posted a photo from a museum that had something similar?
>> Enjoy!
>
> I think that's similar to the one at the Heidrick Agricultural Museum.
> Got a picture on one of our trip reports, possibly the one in the link
> that was posted.

Description on the Ag Museum site:

"Fordson Snowmobile 1926
This was known as an Armstead Snow-motor. Hauling capacity was said to
be five tons. Each drum receives power from a separate clutch which,
depending on the position of the steering gear, engages and
disengages. It can also traverse bare ground. This machine hauled mail
from Truckee to North Lake Tahoe."

Peter
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Jan 30 01:32:58 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:32:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fordson Snow Tractor
In-Reply-To: <49822AA4.5020508@accnorwalk.com>
References: <49822AA4.5020508@accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS1EA62C6F7506B03338F52BBC60@phx.gbl>

Great find Doug!  And yes, there's one at the Mining Museum in Butte, 
Montana.  It was used at Yellowstone according to the billboard.

RickinMt.


Subject: [SEL] Fordson Snow Tractor


> Someone on another list posted this link to a video of a Fordson
> specially fitted for snow operation. Seems like maybe Rick Strobel or
> someone posted a photo from a museum that had something similar?
> Enjoy!
> http://tywkiwdbi.blogspot.com/2009/01/1926-snowmobile-could-pull-20-ton-load.html 



From andyglines at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 30 10:50:12 2009
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:50:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1233334802.27527.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.3.1233334802.27527.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <COL119-W9481B590F77DFCB2BD82EC7C60@phx.gbl>


Thanks to SEL folks for the answers both on and off list.  I'm still cold but I have some good ideas to follow up on.  I will try to answer all the posts at one time.  This furnace does not have a pilot light.  It has a glowing hot coil that ignites the gas at the main burner.  The ignitor works and the gas comes on momentarily and lights.  The burner goes out after about 10 seconds.  Maybe a faulty thermocouple which I DID clean per recommendations.  Both the draft and main blowers run as they are supposed to.  I have considered the "dirty" power problem and it may be the cause.  I would think that if the "dirty" power was the problem that the burner would not light at all.  At this point, I will probably figure out how to jumper to the gas valve to keep it open and the flame burning.  
> > try cleaning the heat sensor that that hangs in front of the flame, sounds > > like it is not detecting the flame and shuts off, mine does that from time > > to time and I just take it out and clean it with some sand paper and it > > works fine then. They get a coating over time on the surface of the sensor. > > Hope this helps > It probably has an electronic board that controls burning, some of these don't like the "dirty" electrictiy produced by a generator. After Hurricane Gustav I ran my house on a generator for 10 days, my new washing machine wouldn't perform correctly. I used an old one with a mechanical timer, no problem. If you can find a large inverter it may run on this, some don't like that current either, if you ca't fine one large enough you could hook the blower direct and let the inverter run the electronics.
> > try cleaning the heat sensor that that hangs in front of the flame, > > sounds like it is not detecting the flame and shuts off, mine does > > that from time to time and I just take it out and clean it with some > > sand paper and it works fine then. They get a coating over time on the> surface of the sensor.> It probably has an electronic board that controls burning, some of these> don't like the "dirty" electrictiy produced by a generator. After Hurricane> Gustav I ran my house on a generator for 10 days, my new washing machine> wouldn't perform correctly. I used an old one with a mechanical timer, no> problem. If you can find a large inverter it may run on this, some don't> like that current either, if you ca't fine one large enough you could hook> the blower direct and let the inverter run the electronics.
> I run a genset back up power and have no problems running my propane> furnace. Are you supplying control power to your gas valve? Is your pilot> flame staying on? PK
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From kosh at ncweb.com  Fri Jan 30 11:27:04 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:27:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator
In-Reply-To: <COL119-W9481B590F77DFCB2BD82EC7C60@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.3.1233334802.27527.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<mailman.3.1233334802.27527.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090130142220.0368e820@ncweb.com>

Regarding jumpering around gas furnace controls,
this Wednesday evening there was a house explosion
about 10 miles from here, shook the windows here.

The house is completely gone, and serious damage
to adjacent houses.

Old joke:

Guy jumps out of an airplane, pulls his ripcord, gets a streamer.
Cuts it away, pulls his reserve, gets a streamer.
About then he sees a guy coming up toward him.

"He asks: What do you know about parachutes?"
"Answer: What do you know about gas furnaces?"

Dave Merchant


At 01:50 PM 1/30/2009, you wrote:

>Thanks to SEL folks for the answers both on and off list.  I'm still cold 
>but I have some good ideas to follow up on.  I will try to answer all the 
>posts at one time.  This furnace does not have a pilot light.  It has a 
>glowing hot coil that ignites the gas at the main burner.  The ignitor 
>works and the gas comes on momentarily and lights.  The burner goes out 
>after about 10 seconds.  Maybe a faulty thermocouple which I DID clean per 
>recommendations.  Both the draft and main blowers run as they are supposed 
>to.  I have considered the "dirty" power problem and it may be the 
>cause.  I would think that if the "dirty" power was the problem that the 
>burner would not light at all.  At this point, I will probably figure out 
>how to jumper to the gas valve to keep it open and the flame burning.
> > > try cleaning the heat sensor that that hangs in front of the flame, 
> sounds > > like it is not detecting the flame and shuts off, mine does 
> that from time > > to time and I just take it out and clean it with some 
> sand paper and it > > works fine then. They get a coating over time on 
> the surface of the sensor. > > Hope this helps > It probably has an 
> electronic board that controls burning, some of these don't like the 
> "dirty" electrictiy produced by a generator. After Hurricane Gustav I ran 
> my house on a generator for 10 days, my new washing machine wouldn't 
> perform correctly. I used an old one with a mechanical timer, no problem. 
> If you can find a large inverter it may run on this, some don't like that 
> current either, if you ca't fine one large enough you could hook the 
> blower direct and let the inverter run the electronics.
> > > try cleaning the heat sensor that that hangs in front of the 
> flame, > > sounds like it is not detecting the flame and shuts off, mine 
> does > > that from time to time and I just take it out and clean it with 
> some > > sand paper and it works fine then. They get a coating over time 
> on the> surface of the sensor.> It probably has an electronic board that 
> controls burning, some of these> don't like the "dirty" electrictiy 
> produced by a generator. After Hurricane> Gustav I ran my house on a 
> generator for 10 days, my new washing machine> wouldn't perform 
> correctly. I used an old one with a mechanical timer, no> problem. If you 
> can find a large inverter it may run on this, some don't> like that 
> current either, if you ca't fine one large enough you could hook> the 
> blower direct and let the inverter run the electronics.
> > I run a genset back up power and have no problems running my propane> 
> furnace. Are you supplying control power to your gas valve? Is your 
> pilot> flame staying on? PK
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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 30 14:19:37 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:19:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Battery stuff
Message-ID: <BAY127-W84DF0D592BF8ECC370148CBC60@phx.gbl>


I still put them on a block of wood for the following reasons:
         a) As Rob mentioned, to protect the floor from acid.
         b) So that I do not have to listen to the whining of "know all" 
friends if they see them on the concrete.
         c) Just in case :-)

         D)  So I can pick it up without crushing my fingers!
 

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

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From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Jan 30 14:40:12 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:40:12 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT: furnace vs generator
In-Reply-To: <COL119-W9481B590F77DFCB2BD82EC7C60@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.3.1233334802.27527.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<COL119-W9481B590F77DFCB2BD82EC7C60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <13F15BAA-A56C-4287-A6AD-BC3A60C67B28@rustyiron.com>

If the problem was with the thermocouple, I would think that it would  
exist when running on "store-bought" electricity as well as "home- 
made."  A new thermocouple won't be expensive, and certainly a whole  
lot cheaper than your funeral.  If running without a thermocouple, I  
wouldn't let it run for a nanosecond unless I was sitting there  
watching it.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

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On Jan 30, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Andy Glines wrote:

>
> Thanks to SEL folks for the answers both on and off list.  I'm still  
> cold but I have some good ideas to follow up on.  I will try to  
> answer all the posts at one time.  This furnace does not have a  
> pilot light.  It has a glowing hot coil that ignites the gas at the  
> main burner.  The ignitor works and the gas comes on momentarily and  
> lights.  The burner goes out after about 10 seconds.  Maybe a faulty  
> thermocouple which I DID clean per recommendations.  Both the draft  
> and main blowers run as they are supposed to.  I have considered the  
> "dirty" power problem and it may be the cause.  I would think that  
> if the "dirty" power was the problem that the burner would not light  
> at all.  At this point, I will probably figure out how to jumper to  
> the gas valve to keep it open and the flame burning.


From andyglines at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 30 15:28:19 2009
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:28:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] I've got heat!
Message-ID: <COL119-W6928D8F589BA0849895B3CC7C60@phx.gbl>


After much help from the SEL and some other research I got my furnace to work with the generator.  Even if I have to move out due to extended outage I can still come by daily and put some heat in the house to keep the pipes from freezing.  I had to connect the neutral (white wire) to the house neutral and the control started working properly.  I'm not sure why I just know it works.  BTW The primary (black) is still seperate from the house wiring.
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 16:16:29 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 00:16:29 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Battery stuff
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W84DF0D592BF8ECC370148CBC60@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-W84DF0D592BF8ECC370148CBC60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901301616s57d2ac2fjfd2881e3bc1214e8@mail.gmail.com>

On 30/01/2009, Bruce Younger <sluggo54 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I still put them on a block of wood for the following reasons:
>          a) As Rob mentioned, to protect the floor from acid.
>          b) So that I do not have to listen to the whining of "know all"
> friends if they see them on the concrete.
>          c) Just in case :-)
>
>          D)  So I can pick it up without crushing my fingers!
>
>
> Bruce Younger

Just a bit of information on batteries that might be of interest:

When we do a large 30V or  110V installation at utility substations,
we use either Plante or Flat Plate batteries or cells. In both cases,
we now fit a catalytic filler top that converts any free Hydrogen and
Oxygen in the cells back to water, which runs back into the cell.

In the case of a 200AH 110V battery, it will run for up to 10 years
with no water topping up required, but the cell can be topped up
readily by simply removing the converter.

The batteries and cells are sat on 3/16" thick insertion rubber sheet,
which in turn is either on a square tube frame or shelves in a
cabinet.

Pictures of the converters and a typical 110V 200AH flat plate battery
installation are on our company website at:

http://www.prepair.co.uk/Battery1.htm

There are also shots of the old Plante battery in those pictures.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Fri Jan 30 17:03:07 2009
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:03:07 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Battery stuff
References: <BAY127-W84DF0D592BF8ECC370148CBC60@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160901301616s57d2ac2fjfd2881e3bc1214e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AA29B0572A274B8A8C4D430E45C63B7E@your46e94owx6a>

Is there any way to resuscitate a small 12V gell cell or do 
I throw it out?

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, California U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
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From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com> 



From ddotto at cableone.net  Fri Jan 30 17:26:15 2009
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:26:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Battery stuff
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160901301616s57d2ac2fjfd2881e3bc1214e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY127-W84DF0D592BF8ECC370148CBC60@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160901301616s57d2ac2fjfd2881e3bc1214e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003901c98342$e945b670$bbd12350$@net>

Peter

Your company web site looks suspiciously familiar to your personal site :) 

The catalytic convertor thingies are really cool I didn't know such an item
even existed. It would be nice if they could be adapted to automotive
batteries.

Dave




Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho
UAS

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 5:16 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Battery stuff

On 30/01/2009, Bruce Younger <sluggo54 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I still put them on a block of wood for the following reasons:
>          a) As Rob mentioned, to protect the floor from acid.
>          b) So that I do not have to listen to the whining of "know all"
> friends if they see them on the concrete.
>          c) Just in case :-)
>
>          D)  So I can pick it up without crushing my fingers!
>
>
> Bruce Younger

Just a bit of information on batteries that might be of interest:

When we do a large 30V or  110V installation at utility substations,
we use either Plante or Flat Plate batteries or cells. In both cases,
we now fit a catalytic filler top that converts any free Hydrogen and
Oxygen in the cells back to water, which runs back into the cell.

In the case of a 200AH 110V battery, it will run for up to 10 years
with no water topping up required, but the cell can be topped up
readily by simply removing the converter.

The batteries and cells are sat on 3/16" thick insertion rubber sheet,
which in turn is either on a square tube frame or shelves in a
cabinet.

Pictures of the converters and a typical 110V 200AH flat plate battery
installation are on our company website at:

http://www.prepair.co.uk/Battery1.htm

There are also shots of the old Plante battery in those pictures.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Jan 30 18:04:00 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:04:00 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Battery stuff
In-Reply-To: <AA29B0572A274B8A8C4D430E45C63B7E@your46e94owx6a>
References: <BAY127-W84DF0D592BF8ECC370148CBC60@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160901301616s57d2ac2fjfd2881e3bc1214e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<AA29B0572A274B8A8C4D430E45C63B7E@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <0E08AD12-E871-4EEB-ABBF-B088C9407977@rustyiron.com>

Hey, Jim.  When I need one for an engine, I take one that's been  
deemed unusable by others and juice it up with excessive current.  You  
have to be careful not to let the battery get too hot.  Sometimes it  
doesn't work, but most of the time I'll end up with a battery that  
will work for a long, long, time.  If it's worth it to drive to La  
Habra, I can bag some for you.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com



On Jan 30, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Jim Kirkes wrote:

> Is there any way to resuscitate a small 12V gell cell or do
> I throw it out?


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Fri Jan 30 19:23:18 2009
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:23:18 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Battery stuff
References: <BAY127-W84DF0D592BF8ECC370148CBC60@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160901301616s57d2ac2fjfd2881e3bc1214e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<AA29B0572A274B8A8C4D430E45C63B7E@your46e94owx6a>
	<0E08AD12-E871-4EEB-ABBF-B088C9407977@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <2BA044A96524486AB07E5CA4D3CA6F8B@your46e94owx6a>

Hi Rob.

I will give that a try tomorrow, it doesn't hold a charge 
now so there is nothing to lose. Thanks

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, California U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Battery stuff


Hey, Jim.  When I need one for an engine, I take one that's 
been
deemed unusable by others and juice it up with excessive 
current.  You
have to be careful not to let the battery get too hot. 
Sometimes it
doesn't work, but most of the time I'll end up with a 
battery that
will work for a long, long, time.  If it's worth it to drive 
to La
Habra, I can bag some for you.


Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com



On Jan 30, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Jim Kirkes wrote:

> Is there any way to resuscitate a small 12V gell cell or 
> do
> I throw it out?
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From weolson at wiktel.com  Fri Jan 30 20:16:37 2009
From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:16:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] I've got heat!
In-Reply-To: <COL119-W6928D8F589BA0849895B3CC7C60@phx.gbl>
References: <COL119-W6928D8F589BA0849895B3CC7C60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1981995612.20090130221637@wiktel.com>

Hi Andy,

Friday, January 30, 2009, 5:28:19 PM, you wrote:


AG> After much help from the SEL and some other research I got my
AG> furnace to work with the generator.  Even if I have to move out
AG> due to extended outage I can still come by daily and put some heat
AG> in the house to keep the pipes from freezing.  I had to connect
AG> the neutral (white wire) to the house neutral and the control
AG> started working properly.  I'm not sure why I just know it works. 
AG> BTW The primary (black) is still seperate from the house wiring.
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It's possible that the neutral & ground were not tied together & the controls did not like that, but by tieing the neutrals together, somehow it changed the neutral/grounding situation.  Who knows.
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From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Fri Jan 30 21:12:43 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:12:43 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] I've got heat!
In-Reply-To: <COL119-W6928D8F589BA0849895B3CC7C60@phx.gbl>
References: <COL119-W6928D8F589BA0849895B3CC7C60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1236.218.214.134.238.1233378763.squirrel@www.emeraldscouts.org.au>

so have i... 5th day of 47C - 116F

i'd rather be cold!

well done on your fix :)

Paul

>
> After much help from the SEL and some other research I got my furnace to
> work with the generator.  Even if I have to move out due to extended
> outage I can still come by daily and put some heat in the house to keep
> the pipes from freezing.  I had to connect the neutral (white wire) to the
> house neutral and the control started working properly.  I'm not sure why
> I just know it works.  BTW The primary (black) is still seperate from the
> house wiring.
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Jan 30 21:59:59 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:59:59 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Charity auction payment
Message-ID: <20090130.215959.2104.9.rdhaskell@juno.com>

How, and who do I pay for a charity auction item?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Fri Jan 30 23:17:59 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:17:59 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Charity auction payment
In-Reply-To: <20090130.215959.2104.9.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090130.215959.2104.9.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4983FB27.80906@rustic-engines.com>

C'mon Ron, I aint fallin' for that one. Ya aint gettin' my bank details. :-P

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> How, and who do I pay for a charity auction item?
>
>   


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 00:55:07 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:55:07 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Battery stuff
In-Reply-To: <003901c98342$e945b670$bbd12350$@net>
References: <BAY127-W84DF0D592BF8ECC370148CBC60@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160901301616s57d2ac2fjfd2881e3bc1214e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<003901c98342$e945b670$bbd12350$@net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901310055v65e610e3j5dc329945d62e3c1@mail.gmail.com>

2009/1/31 Dave Otto <ddotto at cableone.net>:
> Peter
>
> Your company web site looks suspiciously familiar to your personal site :)
>
> The catalytic convertor thingies are really cool I didn't know such an item
> even existed. It would be nice if they could be adapted to automotive
> batteries.
>
> Dave

Sorry about that, we tend to stick to something that works!

As far as I know, the cost of the Aquagen units is about $20 apiece,
so too expensive for the throw-away car battery market, plus batteries
are getting more reliable now, we are seeing 6 years plus on our Astra
van battery and it still works fine in the cold weather (-10
Centigrade)

Peter
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 01:00:54 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:00:54 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Battery stuff
In-Reply-To: <AA29B0572A274B8A8C4D430E45C63B7E@your46e94owx6a>
References: <BAY127-W84DF0D592BF8ECC370148CBC60@phx.gbl>
	<6f6025160901301616s57d2ac2fjfd2881e3bc1214e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<AA29B0572A274B8A8C4D430E45C63B7E@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <6f6025160901310100v44963bbfk25a1a8fc3ca47c3@mail.gmail.com>

2009/1/31 Jim Kirkes <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>:
> Is there any way to resuscitate a small 12V gell cell or do
> I throw it out?
>
> Jim
>

Jim:

It depends on the failure mode of the battery.

If it has sulphated (sulfated) and gone high internal resistance, then
a constant current charge at C/50 (1/50th the capacity) with the cell
temperature and voltage being monitored may recover 'some' of the
capacity. You'll never recover full capacity from a battery that has
sulphated (sulfated)

If an internal cell link has gone open, then it is dead.

If a cell has gone dead through a crystal shorting out the plates, or
gone open circuit then ditto. Crystals grow internally and pierce the
fibre plate separators, and being conductive, they short the cells

Generally speaking, for what they cost, it is not worth the time and
trouble to set up something for recovery.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jan 31 09:23:44 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:23:44 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Battery stuff
In-Reply-To: <AA29B0572A274B8A8C4D430E45C63B7E@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEAPHOAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jim:

Practically speaking, if it can't be recharged using a charger that supplies a constant 2.3 volts per cell for a long time, it's toast.

Interestingly, I have a couple of 7 A.H. gel cells that came out of 'puter UPS units that are maintained at 2.25 volts per cell and still have about 90% of their original capacity after almost 15 years of service.  Also very interesting is the fact that the batteries that caused the sets to be replaced failed after about five years.  They were all made by the same company, of the same specification and made with the same date code.

Of course - I replaced all the batteries when even one croaked.  Foolish to do otherwise.  The survivors are used for ignition, etc.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jim Kirkes
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 07:03 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Battery stuff
> 
> 
> Is there any way to resuscitate a small 12V gell 
> cell or do 
> I throw it out?
> 
> Jim




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jan 31 09:55:25 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:55:25 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Charity auction payment
Message-ID: <20090131.095526.292.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 You caught me Al.  I thought I could sneak it by.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:17:59 +1100 Al Harris
<al.harris at rustic-engines.com> writes:
> C'mon Ron, I aint fallin' for that one. Ya aint gettin' my bank 
> details. :-P
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Al Harris
> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz
> 
> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
>
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Sat Jan 31 10:16:11 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:16:11 -0000
Subject: [SEL] I've got heat!
In-Reply-To: <1981995612.20090130221637@wiktel.com>
References: <COL119-W6928D8F589BA0849895B3CC7C60@phx.gbl>
	<1981995612.20090130221637@wiktel.com>
Message-ID: <0KEC00A5ILETLUS8@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>

Yeah these newer furnaces are sensitive to small irregularities in 
the electrical supply.  I installed a ceiling mounted natural gas 
vented garage heater a couple months ago and went round and round 
with it not wanting to work right.

Finally figured out that I had forgotten to tighten the screw on the 
ground wire clamp inside the heater.  The wire was in there and 
making contact, but apparently the heater didn't like the loose 
connection.  Tightened it up and have a great heater now.

-Tony


At 10:16 PM 1/30/2009, you wrote:
>It's possible that the neutral & ground were not tied together & the 
>controls did not like that, but by tieing the neutrals together, 
>somehow it changed the neutral/grounding situation.  Who knows.
>Retired electrician.
>--
>Thanks,  William




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Jan 31 10:24:41 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:24:41 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Charity auction payment
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1233421202.15400.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090131200916.00c0e5b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 31/01/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 13
>Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:59:59 -0800
>From: rdhaskell at juno.com
>Subject: [SEL] Charity auction payment
>
>How, and who do I pay for a charity auction item?
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com

Hi Ron,
         You have got to contact Spencer and pay him per PayPal or other 
means. He uses a different email addy for PayPal.

         From previous years I know that this may take some time (getting 
hold of him that is!) so send me the details of the plate you need in the 
meantime.

         You too Mike, if you read this.

         It's a pity that the Charity Auction was so badly supported this 
year and seems to have died a natural death. Total raised $127.00 - how 
disappointing!!

         FWIW, when deciding who to give the proceeds to, my vote (or at 
least what my items raised) is for Paul Evans / Internal Fire Museum ! Then 
maybe the rest to Rick Rowlands /Tod Engine Foundation.

         Does anyone know where last years proceeds went?

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Sat Jan 31 10:55:35 2009
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:55:35 EST
Subject: [SEL] Charity auction payment
Message-ID: <c06.4a703e47.36b5f8a7@aol.com>

 
Hi Jerry,
I bid and won an item in the 2007 auction but never  could get an address for 
sending payment although I asked several times.   At this point I know I owe 
$35 and I forget what it was I was bidding on.   That's why I did not take 
part in the last auction.
Regards,
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, MO
 
In a message dated 1/31/2009 12:52:06 PM Central Standard Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

At 07:00  PM 31/01/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 13
>Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009  21:59:59 -0800
>From: rdhaskell at juno.com
>Subject: [SEL] Charity  auction payment
>
>How, and who do I pay for a charity auction  item?
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com

Hi Ron,
You have got to contact Spencer and pay him per  PayPal or other 
means. He uses a different email addy for  PayPal.

>From previous years I know  that this may take some time (getting 
hold of him that is!) so send me the  details of the plate you need in the 
meantime.

You too Mike, if you read this.

It's a pity that the Charity Auction was so badly supported this  
year and seems to have died a natural death. Total raised $127.00 - how  
disappointing!!

FWIW, when  deciding who to give the proceeds to, my vote (or at 
least what my items  raised) is for Paul Evans / Internal Fire Museum ! Then 
maybe the rest to  Rick Rowlands /Tod Engine Foundation.

Does anyone know where last years proceeds went?

Keep the revs up (or  down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched  Brass Engine Plates made to  order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>


 
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Jan 31 16:09:43 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 11:09:43 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Auction prices
Message-ID: <41ADBD6925B64E68BF15D319A3482912@peterlowe>

Hi all

It will be interesting to watch this years auctions to see who still has money to invest.

Anyone going to this auction in Hart, Texas in March?
http://armstrongtractorauction.com/Armstrong_Tractor_Auction/Home.html

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm

From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 31 16:12:59 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:12:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Charity auction payment
Message-ID: <281972.37012.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Last year I couldn't find any info then I just asked where Spencer lived and used Switchboard.com to get an address then mailed him payment.
After a good half dozen attempts emailing him with no replies I figured that was the best way to go.
I have been hoping I didn't have to go that way this year too.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 1/31/09, MaytagTwin at aol.com <MaytagTwin at aol.com> wrote:

From: MaytagTwin at aol.com <MaytagTwin at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity auction payment
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 1:55 PM


Hi Jerry,
I bid and won an item in the 2007 auction but never? could get an address for 
sending payment although I asked several times.???At this point I know I owe 
$35 and I forget what it was I was bidding on.???That's why I did not take 
part in the last auction.
Regards,
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, MO

In a message dated 1/31/2009 12:52:06 PM Central Standard Time,? 
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

At 07:00? PM 31/01/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 13
>Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009? 21:59:59 -0800
>From: rdhaskell at juno.com
>Subject: [SEL] Charity? auction payment
>
>How, and who do I pay for a charity auction? item?
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com

Hi Ron,
You have got to contact Spencer and pay him per? PayPal or other 
means. He uses a different email addy for? PayPal.

>From previous years I know? that this may take some time (getting 
hold of him that is!) so send me the? details of the plate you need in the 
meantime.

You too Mike, if you read this.

It's a pity that the Charity Auction was so badly supported this? 
year and seems to have died a natural death. Total raised $127.00 - how? 
disappointing!!

FWIW, when? deciding who to give the proceeds to, my vote (or at 
least what my items? raised) is for Paul Evans / Internal Fire Museum ! Then 
maybe the rest to? Rick Rowlands /Tod Engine Foundation.

Does anyone know where last years proceeds went?

Keep the revs up (or? down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched? Brass Engine Plates made to? order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>



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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 31 16:29:05 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:29:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Charity auction payment
Message-ID: <900983.52649.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I used my Yahoo mail search and found it.
This is a message i posted to this list in March of 2008
=========================================================
After not getting a reply to many emails I did a search and found this address.

ATIS Charity Auction
C/O  Spencer Yost
3160 MacBrandon Lane
Pfafftown, NC 27040

Just sent payments there.   As far as I can tell you will not get any 
reply saying you have paid. 
I sure didn't.
Be sure to add a note that says what you are paying for.
Add your email and phone number too.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan

===============================================================
--- On Sat, 1/31/09, Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity auction payment
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 7:12 PM

Last year I couldn't find any info then I just asked where Spencer lived and used Switchboard.com to get an address then mailed him payment.
After a good half dozen attempts emailing him with no replies I figured that was the best way to go.
I have been hoping I didn't have to go that way this year too.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 1/31/09, MaytagTwin at aol.com <MaytagTwin at aol.com> wrote:

From: MaytagTwin at aol.com <MaytagTwin at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Charity auction payment
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 1:55 PM


Hi Jerry,
I bid and won an item in the 2007 auction but never? could get an address for 
sending payment although I asked several times.???At this point I know I owe 
$35 and I forget what it was I was bidding on.???That's why I did not take 
part in the last auction.
Regards,
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, MO

In a message dated 1/31/2009 12:52:06 PM Central Standard Time,? 
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

At 07:00? PM 31/01/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 13
>Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009? 21:59:59 -0800
>From: rdhaskell at juno.com
>Subject: [SEL] Charity? auction payment
>
>How, and who do I pay for a charity auction? item?
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com

Hi Ron,
You have got to contact Spencer and pay him per? PayPal or other 
means. He uses a different email addy for? PayPal.

>From previous years I know? that this may take some time (getting 
hold of him that is!) so send me the? details of the plate you need in the 
meantime.

You too Mike, if you read this.

It's a pity that the Charity Auction was so badly supported this? 
year and seems to have died a natural death. Total raised $127.00 - how? 
disappointing!!

FWIW, when? deciding who to give the proceeds to, my vote (or at 
least what my items? raised) is for Paul Evans / Internal Fire Museum ! Then 
maybe the rest to? Rick Rowlands /Tod Engine Foundation.

Does anyone know where last years proceeds went?

Keep the revs up (or? down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched? Brass Engine Plates made to? order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>



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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jan 31 17:05:31 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:05:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Charity auction payment
Message-ID: <20090131.170533.1696.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks Alan.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:29:05 -0800 (PST) Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
writes:
> I used my Yahoo mail search and found it.
> This is a message i posted to this list in March of 2008
> =========================================================
> After not getting a reply to many emails I did a search and found 
> this address.
> 
> ATIS Charity Auction
> C/O  Spencer Yost
> 3160 MacBrandon Lane
> Pfafftown, NC 27040
> 
> Just sent payments there.   As far as I can tell you will not get 
> any 
> reply saying you have paid. 
> I sure didn't.
> Be sure to add a note that says what you are paying for.
> Add your email and phone number too.
> 
> Alan Bowen
> Williamsburg, Michigan
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