From rob at rustyiron.com Sun Feb 1 15:57:05 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:57:05 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Reggie Ingold! Message-ID: Reg wants me to tell everyone "hi" and wishes he could do so himself. Apparently it's really warm in Australia right now, and the folks in Canberra have dictated that on warm days, citizens are not allowed to have guns or send email. Reg assures me that as soon as it cools off, he'll be back. Because of Reg's close friendship with Kevin Rudd, he is still allowed to use his computer for Skyping and browsing naughty web pages. If you really need to contact him, you can do so that way Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Feb 2 19:59:53 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 14:59:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics Message-ID: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/portlandauction/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Mon Feb 2 20:23:20 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 23:23:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: looks like a really good auction with alot of sideshafts and a Columbus :) I know if that sale was here in the states I would have been in attendance :) Looks like most of the engines were apart though. Tom Winland Ohio> From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 14:59:53 +1100> Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/portlandauction/index.htm> > > Patrick M Livingstone> Leichhardt NSW> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?:?more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009 From ilifa at internode.on.net Mon Feb 2 20:34:30 2009 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 15:34:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are more pics of the engines here http://www.lowenthalauctions.com.au/pages/galleryView.php?album=49 Eric From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Feb 3 02:47:10 2009 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (page at velocitynet.com.au) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:47:10 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross Register In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1537.121.45.24.16.1233658030.squirrel@webmail.velocity.net.au> Ian Can you contact me off list please. Ron Darwin at the moment From jon at sideshaft.com Tue Feb 3 10:11:11 2009 From: jon at sideshaft.com (Jon Rozevink) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 13:11:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics Message-ID: So does anyone know what these engines brought at the sale? That was probably the best auction of old engines in many years. Thanks Jon Rozevink 1717 East Second St Defiance, Ohio 43512 419-789-1159 www.sideshaft.com From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Feb 3 10:46:33 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 13:46:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gosh Jon, You mean you didn't go and buy some of them! Steve> From: jon at sideshaft.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 13:11:11 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics> > So does anyone know what these engines brought at the sale? That was> probably the best auction of old engines in many years.> > Thanks> Jon Rozevink> 1717 East Second St> Defiance, Ohio 43512> 419-789-1159> www.sideshaft.com> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?:?more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009 From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Feb 3 12:16:32 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 07:16:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1722C984FF7145EE88FA712E1E64BEE1@PML> These prices were listed on the TOMM forum: Lot 9 - Petter Handyman 8hp, $8,500 Lot 15 - Columbus, $42,000 Lot 69 - Kaye, Stawell, $6,000 Lot 71 - Ryder-Ericsson 10 inch, $32,000 Lot 88 - Petter Handyman, Anglo, $7,000 Lot 90 - 2hp Tangye, $20,000 Lot 91 - Olan, $5,000 Lot 8 - Petter S, 21hp, $400 Lot 13 - Hornsby Inboard Shaft, $2,800 Lot 29 - Hall Marine Engine, $250 Lot 79 - Hornsby Petrol 4hp, $2,500 Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- So does anyone know what these engines brought at the sale? That was probably the best auction of old engines in many years. Thanks Jon Rozevink 1717 East Second St Defiance, Ohio 43512 419-789-1159 www.sideshaft.com From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Feb 3 14:15:20 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:15:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: <1722C984FF7145EE88FA712E1E64BEE1@PML> References: <1722C984FF7145EE88FA712E1E64BEE1@PML> Message-ID: <20090203221458.25E12251238@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Patrick what happened to you anyway! I thought you were coming down to the auction with the other boys in your Petrol Ute! Russell At 07:16 AM 4/02/2009, you wrote: >These prices were listed on the TOMM forum: >Lot 9 - Petter Handyman 8hp, $8,500 >Lot 15 - Columbus, $42,000 >Lot 69 - Kaye, Stawell, $6,000 >Lot 71 - Ryder-Ericsson 10 inch, $32,000 >Lot 88 - Petter Handyman, Anglo, $7,000 >Lot 90 - 2hp Tangye, $20,000 >Lot 91 - Olan, $5,000 >Lot 8 - Petter S, 21hp, $400 >Lot 13 - Hornsby Inboard Shaft, $2,800 >Lot 29 - Hall Marine Engine, $250 >Lot 79 - Hornsby Petrol 4hp, $2,500 > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > >-----Original Message----- > > >So does anyone know what these engines brought at the sale? That was >probably the best auction of old engines in many years. > >Thanks >Jon Rozevink >1717 East Second St >Defiance, Ohio 43512 >419-789-1159 >www.sideshaft.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Feb 3 14:33:55 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:33:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: <20090203221458.25E12251238@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> References: <1722C984FF7145EE88FA712E1E64BEE1@PML> <20090203221458.25E12251238@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <9FEB813F8B0740C28DEB817F02C814E4@PML> I was very impressed with the guys putting 65 litres of premium unleaded in my diesel Navara! It would have been nice to get down there but work and home commitments as well as having no engine funds at the moment made it impossible to get down there. It would have been depressing to stand there and not be able to buy anything! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Patrick what happened to you anyway! I thought you were coming down to the auction with the other boys in your Petrol Ute! Russell From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue Feb 3 18:33:50 2009 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:33:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: <1722C984FF7145EE88FA712E1E64BEE1@PML> References: <1722C984FF7145EE88FA712E1E64BEE1@PML> Message-ID: <20090203233406.F1A1E228061@md5.pennswoods.net> I wonder what them cost when new?????????????? R Fink PA At 07:16 AM 2/4/2009 +1100, you wrote: >These prices were listed on the TOMM forum: >Lot 9 - Petter Handyman 8hp, $8,500 >Lot 15 - Columbus, $42,000 >Lot 69 - Kaye, Stawell, $6,000 >Lot 71 - Ryder-Ericsson 10 inch, $32,000 >Lot 88 - Petter Handyman, Anglo, $7,000 >Lot 90 - 2hp Tangye, $20,000 >Lot 91 - Olan, $5,000 >Lot 8 - Petter S, 21hp, $400 >Lot 13 - Hornsby Inboard Shaft, $2,800 >Lot 29 - Hall Marine Engine, $250 >Lot 79 - Hornsby Petrol 4hp, $2,500 > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > >-----Original Message----- > > >So does anyone know what these engines brought at the sale? That was >probably the best auction of old engines in many years. > >Thanks >Jon Rozevink >1717 East Second St >Defiance, Ohio 43512 >419-789-1159 >www.sideshaft.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1928 - Release Date: >1/31/2009 8:03 PM From plb at iinet.net.au Tue Feb 3 15:34:44 2009 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:34:44 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: <20090203221458.25E12251238@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> References: <1722C984FF7145EE88FA712E1E64BEE1@PML> <20090203221458.25E12251238@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <013401c98657$fe770720$fb651560$@net.au> He's obviously got one of those dual fuel utes!! Ray -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell Gilbert Sent: Wednesday, 4 February 2009 7:15 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics Patrick what happened to you anyway! I thought you were coming down to the auction with the other boys in your Petrol Ute! Russell At 07:16 AM 4/02/2009, you wrote: >These prices were listed on the TOMM forum: >Lot 9 - Petter Handyman 8hp, $8,500 >Lot 15 - Columbus, $42,000 >Lot 69 - Kaye, Stawell, $6,000 >Lot 71 - Ryder-Ericsson 10 inch, $32,000 >Lot 88 - Petter Handyman, Anglo, $7,000 >Lot 90 - 2hp Tangye, $20,000 >Lot 91 - Olan, $5,000 >Lot 8 - Petter S, 21hp, $400 >Lot 13 - Hornsby Inboard Shaft, $2,800 >Lot 29 - Hall Marine Engine, $250 >Lot 79 - Hornsby Petrol 4hp, $2,500 > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > >-----Original Message----- > > >So does anyone know what these engines brought at the sale? That was >probably the best auction of old engines in many years. > >Thanks >Jon Rozevink >1717 East Second St >Defiance, Ohio 43512 >419-789-1159 >www.sideshaft.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Feb 3 16:21:54 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 19:21:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: <1722C984FF7145EE88FA712E1E64BEE1@PML> References: <1722C984FF7145EE88FA712E1E64BEE1@PML> Message-ID: How about the nice big Crossley, any idea of what it sold for? thanks Steve > From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 07:16:32 +1100> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics> > These prices were listed on the TOMM forum:> Lot 9 - Petter Handyman 8hp, $8,500> Lot 15 - Columbus, $42,000> Lot 69 - Kaye, Stawell, $6,000> Lot 71 - Ryder-Ericsson 10 inch, $32,000> Lot 88 - Petter Handyman, Anglo, $7,000> Lot 90 - 2hp Tangye, $20,000> Lot 91 - Olan, $5,000> Lot 8 - Petter S, 21hp, $400> Lot 13 - Hornsby Inboard Shaft, $2,800> Lot 29 - Hall Marine Engine, $250> Lot 79 - Hornsby Petrol 4hp, $2,500> > Patrick M Livingstone> Leichhardt NSW> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html> > -----Original Message-----> > > So does anyone know what these engines brought at the sale? That was> probably the best auction of old engines in many years.> > Thanks> Jon Rozevink> 1717 East Second St> Defiance, Ohio 43512> 419-789-1159> www.sideshaft.com> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_012009 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Feb 3 06:03:53 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 23:03:53 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics......Dual fuel utes References: <1722C984FF7145EE88FA712E1E64BEE1@PML><20090203221458.25E12251238@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> <013401c98657$fe770720$fb651560$@net.au> Message-ID: How easly this can happen ,did it myself ,only $20 of premium in a Mazda BT50. Drained it straight away ,no damage done . One thing the Mazda has on the Navara , the former has a drain plug . I am told that with the Common Rail Diesel relying on the Diesel fuel to lube the pump, and certain components of the pump being case hardened the lack of lubrication ,ie Petrol can cause expensive damage ......sounds plausable .I am told that the problem of accidental fuel filling is big in Europe with so many passenger Diesel vehicles on the road.......problems with insurance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics > He's obviously got one of those dual fuel utes!! > Ray > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell > Gilbert > Sent: Wednesday, 4 February 2009 7:15 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics > > Patrick what happened to you anyway! I thought you were coming down > to the auction with the other boys in your Petrol Ute! > > Russell > > > > At 07:16 AM 4/02/2009, you wrote: >>These prices were listed on the TOMM forum: >>Lot 9 - Petter Handyman 8hp, $8,500 >>Lot 15 - Columbus, $42,000 >>Lot 69 - Kaye, Stawell, $6,000 >>Lot 71 - Ryder-Ericsson 10 inch, $32,000 >>Lot 88 - Petter Handyman, Anglo, $7,000 >>Lot 90 - 2hp Tangye, $20,000 >>Lot 91 - Olan, $5,000 >>Lot 8 - Petter S, 21hp, $400 >>Lot 13 - Hornsby Inboard Shaft, $2,800 >>Lot 29 - Hall Marine Engine, $250 >>Lot 79 - Hornsby Petrol 4hp, $2,500 >> >>Patrick M Livingstone >>Leichhardt NSW >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >> >>So does anyone know what these engines brought at the sale? That was >>probably the best auction of old engines in many years. >> >>Thanks >>Jon Rozevink >>1717 East Second St >>Defiance, Ohio 43512 >>419-789-1159 >>www.sideshaft.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Feb 3 18:48:55 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 18:48:55 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics Message-ID: <20090203.184855.1320.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Could someone please send the URL for the auction pictures again. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ It's easy to receive faxes via email. Click now to find out how! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2XWlDJf4xiSbbqOpr6OKtG7z60rXaT3s9M6xa2sOObWcrFT/ From ilifa at internode.on.net Tue Feb 3 19:01:57 2009 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:01:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: <20090203.184855.1320.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20090203.184855.1320.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: http://www.lowenthalauctions.com.au/pages/galleryView.php?album=49 On 04/02/2009, at 1:48 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Could someone please send the URL for the auction pictures again. > Thanks. From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Feb 3 19:23:54 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 19:23:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics Message-ID: <20090203.192355.1320.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Eric Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:01:57 +1100 Eric Schulz writes: > http://www.lowenthalauctions.com.au/pages/galleryView.php?album=49 ____________________________________________________________ Purify your water with professional water treatment. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2uXsMtDK7VeXlk6k9O3bSrbSimBrCwQKoTYduVtXb4FDQgd/ From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Feb 3 21:20:39 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 00:20:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: <1722C984FF7145EE88FA712E1E64BEE1@PML> Message-ID: Patrick, I think there was some auction "costs" that had to be added to the final amount. Also it should be noted that many of these (especially the rare items) do not have export permits and therefore cannot leave Australia. I would bet the Columbus and Crossley can never have a permit.... Too many folks with a watchful eye on them! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:17 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics These prices were listed on the TOMM forum: Lot 9 - Petter Handyman 8hp, $8,500 Lot 15 - Columbus, $42,000 Lot 69 - Kaye, Stawell, $6,000 Lot 71 - Ryder-Ericsson 10 inch, $32,000 Lot 88 - Petter Handyman, Anglo, $7,000 Lot 90 - 2hp Tangye, $20,000 Lot 91 - Olan, $5,000 Lot 8 - Petter S, 21hp, $400 Lot 13 - Hornsby Inboard Shaft, $2,800 Lot 29 - Hall Marine Engine, $250 Lot 79 - Hornsby Petrol 4hp, $2,500 Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- So does anyone know what these engines brought at the sale? That was probably the best auction of old engines in many years. Thanks Jon Rozevink 1717 East Second St Defiance, Ohio 43512 419-789-1159 www.sideshaft.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Tue Feb 3 22:16:02 2009 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:16:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics References: Message-ID: <29510101F4714E58B74670FB85D3571C@bd32d875216e74> There were no extra costs on any Items that were sold at the Portland Auction. My Son & I were there and also bought an Engine. David Watts ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics > Patrick, > I think there was some auction "costs" that had to be added to > the final amount. Also it should be noted that many of these > (especially the rare items) do not have export permits and therefore > cannot leave Australia. I would bet the Columbus and Crossley can never > have a permit.... Too many folks with a watchful eye on them! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M > Livingstone > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:17 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics > > > These prices were listed on the TOMM forum: > Lot 9 - Petter Handyman 8hp, $8,500 > Lot 15 - Columbus, $42,000 > Lot 69 - Kaye, Stawell, $6,000 > Lot 71 - Ryder-Ericsson 10 inch, $32,000 > Lot 88 - Petter Handyman, Anglo, $7,000 > Lot 90 - 2hp Tangye, $20,000 > Lot 91 - Olan, $5,000 > Lot 8 - Petter S, 21hp, $400 > Lot 13 - Hornsby Inboard Shaft, $2,800 > Lot 29 - Hall Marine Engine, $250 > Lot 79 - Hornsby Petrol 4hp, $2,500 > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > -----Original Message----- > > > So does anyone know what these engines brought at the sale? That was > probably the best auction of old engines in many years. > > Thanks > Jon Rozevink > 1717 East Second St > Defiance, Ohio 43512 > 419-789-1159 > www.sideshaft.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Feb 3 22:46:08 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:46:08 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: <29510101F4714E58B74670FB85D3571C@bd32d875216e74> References: <29510101F4714E58B74670FB85D3571C@bd32d875216e74> Message-ID: <20090204064545.94F0D9002B@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> G'day Tommy, mate the only extra costs I incurred was the beers I had to feed my helpers ! Russell At 05:16 PM 4/02/2009, you wrote: >There were no extra costs on any Items that were sold at the Portland >Auction. >My Son & I were there and also bought an Engine. >David Watts >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:20 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics > > > > Patrick, > > I think there was some auction "costs" that had to be added to > > the final amount. Also it should be noted that many of these > > (especially the rare items) do not have export permits and therefore > > cannot leave Australia. I would bet the Columbus and Crossley can never > > have a permit.... Too many folks with a watchful eye on them! > > > > Tommy Turner > > Magnolia, KY > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M > > Livingstone > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:17 PM > > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics > > > > > > These prices were listed on the TOMM forum: > > Lot 9 - Petter Handyman 8hp, $8,500 > > Lot 15 - Columbus, $42,000 > > Lot 69 - Kaye, Stawell, $6,000 > > Lot 71 - Ryder-Ericsson 10 inch, $32,000 > > Lot 88 - Petter Handyman, Anglo, $7,000 > > Lot 90 - 2hp Tangye, $20,000 > > Lot 91 - Olan, $5,000 > > Lot 8 - Petter S, 21hp, $400 > > Lot 13 - Hornsby Inboard Shaft, $2,800 > > Lot 29 - Hall Marine Engine, $250 > > Lot 79 - Hornsby Petrol 4hp, $2,500 > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > > Leichhardt NSW > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > So does anyone know what these engines brought at the sale? That was > > probably the best auction of old engines in many years. > > > > Thanks > > Jon Rozevink > > 1717 East Second St > > Defiance, Ohio 43512 > > 419-789-1159 > > www.sideshaft.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Feb 4 06:16:36 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:16:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: <20090204064545.94F0D9002B@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <9FD1C7708C7F48A2ACEAD972993DEA32@tommyd0x52gkco> Yes, but that can add up fast! Tommy Turner G'day Tommy, mate the only extra costs I incurred was the beers I had to feed my helpers ! Russell From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Feb 4 13:46:30 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:46:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] question about oil engines Message-ID: When they refer to an engine like a Hornsby as being an oil engine, what type of oil does it burn? Is it what we would call fuel oil today like Kerosene or No.2 Diesel or is it some less refined petroleum product? Also I read a brief description on how a Hornsby works and it mentioned that the oil was vaporized by coming in contact with a hot surface prior to combustion. Isn't this similar to a semi-diesel? Jim ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Feb 4 14:42:51 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:42:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Lister Junior for sale Message-ID: <2EFD445BF99D44E3B653F574A008CF0B@peterlowe> Hi all My mate in Grafton, NSW, Australia has a Lister Junior for sale, it runs and is only missing the fuel tank and muffler. Anyone interested and wanting photos contact me here OFF LIST plowe at exemail.com.au Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 14:43:05 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 22:43:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] question about oil engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160902041443g437a6a72w8309a5ee543f00da@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/4 Kangas, James G. : > When they refer to an engine like a Hornsby as being an oil engine, what type of oil does it burn? Is it what we would call fuel oil today like Kerosene or No.2 Diesel or is it some less refined petroleum product? > Also I read a brief description on how a Hornsby works and it mentioned that the oil was vaporized by coming in contact with a hot surface prior to combustion. Isn't this similar to a semi-diesel? > Jim Effectively, yes, although the early engines differed in how the actual ignition was achieved. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Feb 4 15:19:53 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:19:53 -0800 Subject: [SEL] question about oil engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60102D11-3528-4E4E-B1D5-10227C346FE4@rustyiron.com> Jim, Oil engine is a rather vague term. The early Hornsbys were "vaporizing oil engines." Engines using that type of ignition used a variety of fuels. Fuel nomenclature has changed over the years, but modern equivalents might be known as kerosene, naphtha and benzine. Interestingly, an engine that was designed to run on a particular fraction of petroleum might not run on another fraction. There's a brief explanation on the web page for our Hornsby: http://engines.rustyiron.com/hornsby I did a more comprehensive, although not nearly all-inclusive article that you can download: http://engines.rustyiron.com/articles/AlternativeFuel.pdf It's in pdf format, several megabytes in size, and will take a few minutes to download. Nevertheless, it includes a little of the history and development of vaporizing oil engines that might answer your questions. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Feb 4, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > When they refer to an engine like a Hornsby as being an oil engine, > what type of oil does it burn? Is it what we would call fuel oil > today like Kerosene or No.2 Diesel or is it some less refined > petroleum product? > Also I read a brief description on how a Hornsby works and it > mentioned that the oil was vaporized by coming in contact with a hot > surface prior to combustion. Isn't this similar to a semi-diesel? > Jim From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Feb 4 15:51:16 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:51:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] question about oil engines References: <60102D11-3528-4E4E-B1D5-10227C346FE4@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Thank you for the explanation and links. Your comment about how particular some engines were about the fuel used does surprise me, as I remember helping a farmer Hay whose tractor could run on Gas or Kerosene. Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Rob Skinner Sent: Wed 2/4/2009 6:19 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] question about oil engines Jim, Oil engine is a rather vague term. The early Hornsbys were "vaporizing oil engines." Engines using that type of ignition used a variety of fuels. Fuel nomenclature has changed over the years, but modern equivalents might be known as kerosene, naphtha and benzine. Interestingly, an engine that was designed to run on a particular fraction of petroleum might not run on another fraction. There's a brief explanation on the web page for our Hornsby: http://engines.rustyiron.com/hornsby I did a more comprehensive, although not nearly all-inclusive article that you can download: http://engines.rustyiron.com/articles/AlternativeFuel.pdf It's in pdf format, several megabytes in size, and will take a few minutes to download. Nevertheless, it includes a little of the history and development of vaporizing oil engines that might answer your questions. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Feb 4, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > When they refer to an engine like a Hornsby as being an oil engine, > what type of oil does it burn? Is it what we would call fuel oil > today like Kerosene or No.2 Diesel or is it some less refined > petroleum product? > Also I read a brief description on how a Hornsby works and it > mentioned that the oil was vaporized by coming in contact with a hot > surface prior to combustion. Isn't this similar to a semi-diesel? > Jim _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From ilifa at internode.on.net Wed Feb 4 16:03:27 2009 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:03:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] question about oil engines In-Reply-To: <60102D11-3528-4E4E-B1D5-10227C346FE4@rustyiron.com> References: <60102D11-3528-4E4E-B1D5-10227C346FE4@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: On 05/02/2009, at 10:19 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > I did a more comprehensive, although not nearly all-inclusive article > that you can download: > http://engines.rustyiron.com/articles/AlternativeFuel.pdf Rob, as you said, "oil" was a very flexible term. In Australia we even had petrol engines referred to as oil engines. It seems that any petroleum product fitted the bill. Had a look at your above article. One think I am curious about is the inclusion of the Australian Jelbart in your photos. I say this because it was a spark ignition engine and the others, with the exception of the Blackstone, are all lamp start. Eric From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Feb 4 18:17:02 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 13:17:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address Message-ID: Hi all Is this still Arnie's address fero_ah at city-net.com it keep bouncing, or is he away? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 4 18:50:13 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:50:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address Message-ID: <151208.70224.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yup Pete. fero_ah at city-net.com This is the email addy he used to post his last message here. Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 2/4/09, Peter Lowe wrote: From: Peter Lowe Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine.org" Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 9:17 PM Hi all Is this still Arnie's address fero_ah at city-net.com it keep bouncing, or is he away? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Feb 4 18:56:30 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 21:56:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address References: Message-ID: <022001c9873d$58e0eba0$66674b47@mikecomp> I use it all the time. Notr the underscore after the o. Fero, Arnie E-mail Address(es): fero_ah at city-net.com MR ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Lowe To: ATIS ; Oldengine.org Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:17 PM Subject: Arnie's address Hi all Is this still Arnie's address fero_ah at city-net.com it keep bouncing, or is he away? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm From george at irontrader.com Wed Feb 4 19:15:49 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:15:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address In-Reply-To: <022001c9873d$58e0eba0$66674b47@mikecomp> References: <022001c9873d$58e0eba0$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <000001c98740$0c113200$24339600$@com> I've used that address too, but this morning when I tried it I got a non delivery message back. Don't know if his email host was having technical difficulties at the time or not. In any case I haven't received a message from Arnie today. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 6:57 PM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ATIS Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie's address I use it all the time. Notr the underscore after the o. Fero, Arnie E-mail Address(es): fero_ah at city-net.com MR ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Lowe To: ATIS ; Oldengine.org Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:17 PM Subject: Arnie's address Hi all Is this still Arnie's address fero_ah at city-net.com it keep bouncing, or is he away? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Feb 4 21:53:51 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:53:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address References: <022001c9873d$58e0eba0$66674b47@mikecomp> <000001c98740$0c113200$24339600$@com> Message-ID: I have been getting a bounce from him for days now, the address is as I have it in my address book, been using it for years. I will send one to his Westinghouse address. Peter, Oz > I've used that address too, but this morning when I tried it I got a non > delivery message back. Don't know if his email host was having technical > difficulties at the time or not. In any case I haven't received a message George From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Thu Feb 5 01:58:39 2009 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:58:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] question about oil engines In-Reply-To: References: <60102D11-3528-4E4E-B1D5-10227C346FE4@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: The oil that the early engines used here in England,such as Hornsby,Crossley,Campbell,Petter,etc,etc,All used without exception what we called 'lamp oil'.What you guys call kerosene,we also called it paraffin. They all again without exception were low compression engines that relied on retained heat in the vapouriser to effect ignition. Hornsby claimed to preempt Dr Diesel which was ridiculous but that jealousy still exist to some extent today hear in good old England. Cummins called these engines an interim solution,they were a stop gap till the Diesel was commercially acceptable.they were either too hot or too cold,I would not like to have used them commercially.It was not till later 1910? that the heavier oils such as Gas oil was used.The term Gas oil was used because it was used in gas industry to enrich coal gas.It was what we term today Diesel Fuel.About this time light crude,boiler fuel was used here as well.Semi Diesel is a term that came in around 1910,usually two stroke direct injection engines,with higher pressures,by nowhere near a Diesel.> From: ilifa at internode.on.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:03:27 +1100> Subject: Re: [SEL] question about oil engines> > > On 05/02/2009, at 10:19 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:> > > I did a more comprehensive, although not nearly all-inclusive article> > that you can download:> > http://engines.rustyiron.com/articles/AlternativeFuel.pdf> > Rob, as you said, "oil" was a very flexible term. In Australia we even > had petrol engines referred to as oil engines. It seems that any > petroleum product fitted the bill.> > Had a look at your above article. One think I am curious about is the > inclusion of the Australian Jelbart in your photos. I say this because > it was a spark ignition engine and the others, with the exception of > the Blackstone, are all lamp start.> > Eric> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Love Hotmail?? Check out the new services from Windows Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/132630768/direct/01/ From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Feb 5 04:13:59 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 07:13:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] question about oil engines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7C0B98E49673444FBA507B8051C2CC5D@tommydk7hxjr4h> Thanks John for that explanation. I've often wondered about the terminology used by some of the English builders in regards to the fuel powering their engines. I now know! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of john palmer Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:59 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] question about oil engines The oil that the early engines used here in England,such as Hornsby,Crossley,Campbell,Petter,etc,etc,All used without exception what we called 'lamp oil'.What you guys call kerosene,we also called it paraffin. They all again without exception were low compression engines that relied on retained heat in the vapouriser to effect ignition. Hornsby claimed to preempt Dr Diesel which was ridiculous but that jealousy still exist to some extent today hear in good old England. Cummins called these engines an interim solution,they were a stop gap till the Diesel was commercially acceptable.they were either too hot or too cold,I would not like to have used them commercially.It was not till later 1910? that the heavier oils such as Gas oil was used.The term Gas oil was used because it was used in gas industry to enrich coal gas.It was what we term today Diesel Fuel.About this time light crude,boiler fuel was used here as well.Semi Diesel is a term that came in around 1910,usually two stroke direct injection engines,with higher pressures,by nowhere near a Diesel.> From: ilifa at internode.on.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:03:27 +1100> Subject: Re: [SEL] question about oil engines> > > On 05/02/2009, at 10:19 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:> > > I did a more comprehensive, although not nearly all-inclusive article> > that you can download:> > http://engines.rustyiron.com/articles/AlternativeFuel.pdf> > Rob, as you said, "oil" was a very flexible term. In Australia we even > had petrol engines referred to as oil engines. It seems that any > petroleum product fitted the bill.> > Had a look at your above article. One think I am curious about is the > inclusion of the Australian Jelbart in your photos. I say this because > it was a spark ignition engine and the others, with the exception of > the Blackstone, are all lamp start.> > Eric> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Love Hotmail?? Check out the new services from Windows Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/132630768/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Feb 5 04:24:39 2009 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 12:24:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address In-Reply-To: <000001c98740$0c113200$24339600$@com> References: <022001c9873d$58e0eba0$66674b47@mikecomp> <000001c98740$0c113200$24339600$@com> Message-ID: <498ADA87.6040204@insulate.co.uk> Arnie's on a secret mission in Korea this week, so make sure you don't tell anyone! He can usually receive mail from his Westinghouse address and the city-net one when he's away, so maybe one of City-net's spam filters is being a bit excitable again. Dolly George Best wrote: > I've used that address too, but this morning when I tried it I got a non > delivery message back. Don't know if his email host was having technical > difficulties at the time or not. In any case I haven't received a message > from Arnie today. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 6:57 PM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ATIS > Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie's address > > I use it all the time. Notr the underscore after the o. > Fero, Arnie > E-mail Address(es): > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > MR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Lowe > > > Hi all > > Is this still Arnie's address fero_ah at city-net.com it keep bouncing, or is > he away? > > Regards > Peter Lowe > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 5 05:31:11 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:31:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address In-Reply-To: <000001c98740$0c113200$24339600$@com> References: <022001c9873d$58e0eba0$66674b47@mikecomp> <000001c98740$0c113200$24339600$@com> Message-ID: Hi George, 8-)) Arnie On Wed, February 4, 2009 10:15 pm, George Best wrote: > I've used that address too, but this morning when I tried it I got a non > delivery message back. Don't know if his email host was having technical > difficulties at the time or not. In any case I haven't received a message > from Arnie today. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 5 05:43:01 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:43:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address In-Reply-To: <498ADA87.6040204@insulate.co.uk> References: <022001c9873d$58e0eba0$66674b47@mikecomp> <000001c98740$0c113200$24339600$@com> <498ADA87.6040204@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <555e10ec5133bffd510514fb7b740c5a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Its probably the forces of PETA International bouncing his emails cos he's a 'roo eater. 8-)) On Thu, February 5, 2009 7:24 am, Jim French wrote: > Arnie's on a secret mission in Korea this week, so make sure you don't > tell anyone! > He can usually receive mail from his Westinghouse address and the > city-net one when he's away, so maybe one of City-net's spam filters is > being a bit excitable again. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Thu Feb 5 07:24:31 2009 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:24:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] question about oil engines In-Reply-To: References: <60102D11-3528-4E4E-B1D5-10227C346FE4@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hope you don,t mind,but I forgot to say the reason we in Britain went for heavier fuels rather than gasoline was our strict insurance rules,you could not get insurance with gasoline on the premises! There were also strict laws about how much and how it was stored.> From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:58:39 +0000> Subject: Re: [SEL] question about oil engines> > > The oil that the early engines used here in England,such as Hornsby,Crossley,Campbell,Petter,etc,etc,All used without exception what we called 'lamp oil'.What you guys call kerosene,we also called it paraffin. They all again without exception were low compression engines that relied on retained heat in the vapouriser to effect ignition. Hornsby claimed to preempt Dr Diesel which was ridiculous but that jealousy still exist to some extent today hear in good old England. Cummins called these engines an interim solution,they were a stop gap till the Diesel was commercially acceptable.they were either too hot or too cold,I would not like to have used them commercially.It was not till later 1910? that the heavier oils such as Gas oil was used.The term Gas oil was used because it was used in gas industry to enrich coal gas.It was what we term today Diesel Fuel.About this time light crude,boiler fuel was used here as well.Semi Diesel is a term that came in around 1910,usually two stroke direct injection engines,with higher pressures,by nowhere near a Diesel.> From: ilifa at internode.on.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:03:27 +1100> Subject: Re: [SEL] question about oil engines> > > On 05/02/2009, at 10:19 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:> > > I did a more comprehensive, although not nearly all-inclusive article> > that you can download:> > http://engines.rustyiron.com/articles/AlternativeFuel.pdf> > Rob, as you said, "oil" was a very flexible term. In Australia we even > had petrol engines referred to as oil engines. It seems that any > petroleum product fitted the bill.> > Had a look at your above article. One think I am curious about is the > inclusion of the Australian Jelbart in your photos. I say this because > it was a spark ignition engine and the others, with the exception of > the Blackstone, are all lamp start.> > Eric> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> _________________________________________________________________> Love Hotmail? Check out the new services from Windows Live! > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/132630768/direct/01/> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Love Hotmail?? Check out the new services from Windows Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/132630768/direct/01/ From jneth3 at mac.com Thu Feb 5 07:41:24 2009 From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 10:41:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address In-Reply-To: <555e10ec5133bffd510514fb7b740c5a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <022001c9873d$58e0eba0$66674b47@mikecomp> <000001c98740$0c113200$24339600$@com> <498ADA87.6040204@insulate.co.uk> <555e10ec5133bffd510514fb7b740c5a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <127561619215523645835865377091443784241-Webmail@me.com> If his mailbox is full the system will bounce all mail. John Neth On Thursday, February 05, 2009, at 08:43AM, "Arnie Fero" wrote: >Its probably the forces of PETA International bouncing his emails cos he's a 'roo >eater. 8-)) > >On Thu, February 5, 2009 7:24 am, Jim French wrote: >> Arnie's on a secret mission in Korea this week, so make sure you don't >> tell anyone! >> He can usually receive mail from his Westinghouse address and the >> city-net one when he's away, so maybe one of City-net's spam filters is >> being a bit excitable again. > > > > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rob at rustyiron.com Thu Feb 5 08:24:48 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:24:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] question about oil engines In-Reply-To: References: <60102D11-3528-4E4E-B1D5-10227C346FE4@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <569D33C5-5C13-4711-8D52-36E87ECE2228@rustyiron.com> Hi, John. Clerk is not easy to read, but he knew a lot of stuff. It's interesting that he differentiated fuel by where the crude was pumped out of the ground e.g. Russian, North Sea, etc. It seems the "Cross-Channel" engine rivalry was going strong in the early days. Clerk wrote that although Diesel was on the right track, Diesel didn't understand WHY the high-compression engine had the potential to be better than other engines of the time. It seemed a rather harsh comment to make! Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Feb 5, 2009, at 1:58 AM, john palmer wrote: > Hornsby claimed to preempt Dr Diesel which was ridiculous but that > jealousy still exist to some extent today hear in good old England. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 5 10:05:18 2009 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 12:05:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] question about oil engines References: <60102D11-3528-4E4E-B1D5-10227C346FE4@rustyiron.com> <569D33C5-5C13-4711-8D52-36E87ECE2228@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <005901c987bc$4eac0eb0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > It seems the "Cross-Channel" engine rivalry was going strong in the > early days. Clerk wrote that although Diesel was on the right track, > Diesel didn't understand WHY the high-compression engine had the > potential to be better than other engines of the time. It seemed a > rather harsh comment to make! Did he recommend he take a long walk on a short pier ? chuck From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Feb 5 10:18:58 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:18:58 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 59, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090205194357.00c31e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 05/02/2009, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:58:39 +0000 >From: john palmer >Subject: Re: [SEL] question about oil engines > >The oil that the early engines used here in England,such as >Hornsby,Crossley,Campbell,Petter,etc,etc,All used without exception what >we called 'lamp oil'.What you guys call kerosene,we also called it paraffin. Thanks John for the explanation. For Jim, Regarding the confusion of names "lamp oil"/"paraffin"/"kerosene"/"illuminating paraffin". There was also (later) what the Brits called "tractor vapourising oil" (Shortened to "TVO"), in South Africa it was called "power paraffin", I think the yanks referred to it as "kerosene" (shortened to "kero"). I think this is probably what was used in your friends tractor that "ran on "gas" or "kerosene". "Gas" was used to start it with and once the engine had warmed up it was switched over to (cheaper) kerosene. This was TVO (Britain) or what we in South Africa called Power Paraffin. The carburettor/manifold of engines designed for this usually incorporated some kind of "hot box" to warm the paraffin vapour prior to it entering the combustion chamber. Many stationary engines (such as Lister and Wolseley) and also tractors were available in either Petrol only (Gas to you Yanks) or Petrol/Paraffin (Gas/Kero to you guys) models. The main difference was the addition of the "hotbox" and a 2 compartment fuel tank with a "switchable" 3 way tap to switch between the different fuels. The compression ratio also differed slightly as the Paraffin models used a slightly lower compression ratio but I'm not sure if all manufacturers worried about this. I know that some engine manufacturers just used a thicker cylinder head gasket to achieve this so the difference was probably minimal. Maybe the "Gurus" on this list can set me right there. There is a lot more but that is it "in a nutshell". Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From james.kangas at timken.com Thu Feb 5 12:44:00 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:44:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 59, Issue 5 References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090205194357.00c31e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Thank you Jerry for your response. You're right about paraffin being kerosene over here in the U.S.The first time I heard the term Paraffin I was confused as it's a wax product here and I couldn't see how an engine would run with it. I think it was an old British WW.2 move I saw that finally cleared that up for me. My friend's Tractor was a '38 John Deere. I don't remember if it had a heater box on it but he also had a '21 Fordson that I do remember it having a heater box. I was schooled on that Fordson on the proper method of crank starting and engine. Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Jerry Evans Sent: Thu 2/5/2009 1:18 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 59, Issue 5 At 07:00 PM 05/02/2009, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:58:39 +0000 >From: john palmer >Subject: Re: [SEL] question about oil engines > >The oil that the early engines used here in England,such as >Hornsby,Crossley,Campbell,Petter,etc,etc,All used without exception what >we called 'lamp oil'.What you guys call kerosene,we also called it paraffin. Thanks John for the explanation. For Jim, Regarding the confusion of names "lamp oil"/"paraffin"/"kerosene"/"illuminating paraffin". There was also (later) what the Brits called "tractor vapourising oil" (Shortened to "TVO"), in South Africa it was called "power paraffin", I think the yanks referred to it as "kerosene" (shortened to "kero"). I think this is probably what was used in your friends tractor that "ran on "gas" or "kerosene". "Gas" was used to start it with and once the engine had warmed up it was switched over to (cheaper) kerosene. This was TVO (Britain) or what we in South Africa called Power Paraffin. The carburettor/manifold of engines designed for this usually incorporated some kind of "hot box" to warm the paraffin vapour prior to it entering the combustion chamber. Many stationary engines (such as Lister and Wolseley) and also tractors were available in either Petrol only (Gas to you Yanks) or Petrol/Paraffin (Gas/Kero to you guys) models. The main difference was the addition of the "hotbox" and a 2 compartment fuel tank with a "switchable" 3 way tap to switch between the different fuels. The compression ratio also differed slightly as the Paraffin models used a slightly lower compression ratio but I'm not sure if all manufacturers worried about this. I know that some engine manufacturers just used a thicker cylinder head gasket to achieve this so the difference was probably minimal. Maybe the "Gurus" on this list can set me right there. There is a lot more but that is it "in a nutshell". Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Feb 5 01:10:20 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 18:10:20 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Oil for Oil engines Message-ID: On this subject and the fact that the Oil is what we call Power Kero. I have 40 ltrs of Jet A fuel that I have obtained from my local helicopter service. I intend to use this for a hot tube oil engine that I hope to have complete by 2011 [ next National Rally in Australia after Murray Bridge ] ......question ,will it deteriate before I try to use it? Note I will qualify my idea about using the oil for the engine by saying that by that time I might be living in a cave and want the oil for lighting and cooking........due to to ever increasng financial crisis that is now heading for Depression! From George_Best at adp.com Thu Feb 5 13:25:48 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:25:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 59, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090205194357.00c31e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909D43A9D@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I had a 1937 English Fordson for many years. That particular model could be bought as gasoline version, a kerosene version, or fuel oil version. The kerosene and oil versions were started on gasoline and then after the engine warmed up you could switch to the other fuel tank and run on a cheaper fuel. The main difference between the kerosene and oil models was the material the heat exchanger was made out of. I ran mine on diesel after it warmed up. It still used the sparkplug to ignite it as it wasn't a high compression engine. It ran quite well on diesel and actually ran better on diesel than if you tried to run it on gasoline after it warmed up. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kangas, James G. Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:44 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 59, Issue 5 Thank you Jerry for your response. You're right about paraffin being kerosene over here in the U.S.The first time I heard the term Paraffin I was confused as it's a wax product here and I couldn't see how an engine would run with it. I think it was an old British WW.2 move I saw that finally cleared that up for me. My friend's Tractor was a '38 John Deere. I don't remember if it had a heater box on it but he also had a '21 Fordson that I do remember it having a heater box. I was schooled on that Fordson on the proper method of crank starting and engine. Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Jerry Evans Sent: Thu 2/5/2009 1:18 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 59, Issue 5 At 07:00 PM 05/02/2009, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:58:39 +0000 >From: john palmer >Subject: Re: [SEL] question about oil engines > >The oil that the early engines used here in England,such as >Hornsby,Crossley,Campbell,Petter,etc,etc,All used without exception >what we called 'lamp oil'.What you guys call kerosene,we also called it paraffin. Thanks John for the explanation. For Jim, Regarding the confusion of names "lamp oil"/"paraffin"/"kerosene"/"illuminating paraffin". There was also (later) what the Brits called "tractor vapourising oil" (Shortened to "TVO"), in South Africa it was called "power paraffin", I think the yanks referred to it as "kerosene" (shortened to "kero"). I think this is probably what was used in your friends tractor that "ran on "gas" or "kerosene". "Gas" was used to start it with and once the engine had warmed up it was switched over to (cheaper) kerosene. This was TVO (Britain) or what we in South Africa called Power Paraffin. The carburettor/manifold of engines designed for this usually incorporated some kind of "hot box" to warm the paraffin vapour prior to it entering the combustion chamber. Many stationary engines (such as Lister and Wolseley) and also tractors were available in either Petrol only (Gas to you Yanks) or Petrol/Paraffin (Gas/Kero to you guys) models. The main difference was the addition of the "hotbox" and a 2 compartment fuel tank with a "switchable" 3 way tap to switch between the different fuels. The compression ratio also differed slightly as the Paraffin models used a slightly lower compression ratio but I'm not sure if all manufacturers worried about this. I know that some engine manufacturers just used a thicker cylinder head gasket to achieve this so the difference was probably minimal. Maybe the "Gurus" on this list can set me right there. There is a lot more but that is it "in a nutshell". Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. 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From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Feb 5 13:48:47 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 08:48:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] More Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: <9FD1C7708C7F48A2ACEAD972993DEA32@tommyd0x52gkco> References: <20090204064545.94F0D9002B@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> <9FD1C7708C7F48A2ACEAD972993DEA32@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: <20090205214820.C09E090282@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> G'day all; I found a little spare time to post some picks of Rob Knights sale. I managed to double up on a few but at least you all can see them, regards Russell : http://community.webshots.com/album/569943280CjKeGv From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 5 14:02:55 2009 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:02:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Oil for Oil engines References: Message-ID: <001001c987dd$80a048c0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > I have 40 ltrs of Jet A fuel that I have obtained from my local > helicopter service. I intend to use this for a hot tube oil engine that I > hope to have complete by 2011 [ next National Rally in Australia after > Murray Bridge ] ......question ,will it deteriate before I try to use it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will be condidered contraband long before it goes bad . Have to guard against condensation though . From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Feb 5 14:03:50 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:03:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Oil for Oil engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F8ACE5CADE244D19BDC9A8BF3FE3386@KerryPC> Peter when I got some Jet A, I was told it would not deteriate in a way that would effect running of kero engines, I was told that the fuel has a shelf life for aircraft when sealed in 200lt (44gl) drums of only 12 months this is because of the chance of moisture ingress causing aircraft engine to fail. Hard to believe when I saw the sealing of the drum but, they must know better. Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz > On this subject and the fact that the Oil is what we call Power Kero. I > have 40 ltrs of Jet A fuel that I have obtained from my local helicopter > service. I intend to use this for a hot tube oil engine that I hope to > have complete by 2011 [ next National Rally in Australia after Murray > Bridge ] ......question ,will it deteriate before I try to use it? > From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Feb 5 18:10:12 2009 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:10:12 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Oil for Oil engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01e701c98800$0b452c30$21cf8490$@net.au> I've had a drum of Jet A stored for 4 or 5 years and it still smells fresh. Whether like petrol smell is an indicator I don't know Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2009 6:10 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Oil for Oil engines On this subject and the fact that the Oil is what we call Power Kero. I have 40 ltrs of Jet A fuel that I have obtained from my local helicopter service. I intend to use this for a hot tube oil engine that I hope to have complete by 2011 [ next National Rally in Australia after Murray Bridge ] ......question ,will it deteriate before I try to use it? Note I will qualify my idea about using the oil for the engine by saying that by that time I might be living in a cave and want the oil for lighting and cooking........due to to ever increasng financial crisis that is now heading for Depression! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From james.kangas at timken.com Thu Feb 5 18:27:28 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 21:27:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oil for Oil engines References: <01e701c98800$0b452c30$21cf8490$@net.au> Message-ID: Do they sell anything like Sta-Bil fuel stabilizer were you live? Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Ray And Erica Freeman Sent: Thu 2/5/2009 9:10 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Oil for Oil engines I've had a drum of Jet A stored for 4 or 5 years and it still smells fresh. Whether like petrol smell is an indicator I don't know Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2009 6:10 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Oil for Oil engines On this subject and the fact that the Oil is what we call Power Kero. I have 40 ltrs of Jet A fuel that I have obtained from my local helicopter service. I intend to use this for a hot tube oil engine that I hope to have complete by 2011 [ next National Rally in Australia after Murray Bridge ] ......question ,will it deteriate before I try to use it? Note I will qualify my idea about using the oil for the engine by saying that by that time I might be living in a cave and want the oil for lighting and cooking........due to to ever increasng financial crisis that is now heading for Depression! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 5 19:48:26 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 21:48:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Charlie Bryant's Friend Clarance Message-ID: Folks when Charlie lived in Kansas City he had a close friend named Clarence. I bought an engine from him years ago and would like to talk to him. I cannot think of his last name nor do I have any contact data for him. If anyone knows who I am talking about and how I can get hold of him I would be grateful for the information. Paul From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Feb 6 04:41:48 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 07:41:48 EST Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away - SIAM 2009 Message-ID: Keith, Would you contact me off line about the SIAM show? Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick. net/clk;211531132;33070124;e) From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Feb 6 09:40:32 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 12:40:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Charlie Bryant's Friend Clarance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI Paul, I think you are looking for Clarence Lammers, I don't have his contact info but someone on the list will. Steve> From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 21:48:26 -0600> Subject: [SEL] Looking for Charlie Bryant's Friend Clarance> > Folks when Charlie lived in Kansas City he had a close friend named Clarence. I bought an engine from him years ago and would like to talk to him. I cannot think of his last name nor do I have any contact data for him. If anyone knows who I am talking about and how I can get hold of him I would be grateful for the information.> > Paul> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 6 09:58:30 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:58:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Charlie Bryant's Friend Clarance References: Message-ID: <921D170730164A2FB47C7DAD6D1A20F5@PAUL> Thanks Steve, someone else had sent me his information and I just got off of the telephone from talking to him. Well Ole Buddy this morning I loaded up 4 of the 4' long smoker baskets with marinated beef strips and they are on the smoker now as I write this. I put them on and set the temperature at 140 degrees for the 1st hour with no smoke. I turned the strips over after the first 30 minutes. At the end of the first hour I increased the temperature to 160 degrees and added some charcoal and a hickory chunk and they have now been smoking for 2-1/2 hours. I will secure the smoke at 3 hours and raise the temperature to 175 degrees for another 2- to 3 hours or until they are done. I hope they are eatable. I will let you know if I succeed or fail. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for Charlie Bryant's Friend Clarance HI Paul, I think you are looking for Clarence Lammers, I don't have his contact info but someone on the list will. Steve> From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 21:48:26 -0600> Subject: [SEL] Looking for Charlie Bryant's Friend Clarance> > Folks when Charlie lived in Kansas City he had a close friend named Clarence. I bought an engine from him years ago and would like to talk to him. I cannot think of his last name nor do I have any contact data for him. If anyone knows who I am talking about and how I can get hold of him I would be grateful for the information.> > Paul> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Feb 6 13:41:40 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 06:41:40 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Oil for Oil engines References: <01e701c98800$0b452c30$21cf8490$@net.au> Message-ID: Thanks all for your replies........reckon I will leave it in the drum under the bench until required . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Oil for Oil engines > I've had a drum of Jet A stored for 4 or 5 years and it still smells > fresh. > Whether like petrol smell is an indicator I don't know > Ray Freeman > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter > ogborne > Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2009 6:10 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Oil for Oil engines > > On this subject and the fact that the Oil is what we call Power Kero. I > have > 40 ltrs of Jet A fuel that I have obtained from my local helicopter > service. > I intend to use this for a hot tube oil engine that I hope to have > complete > by 2011 [ next National Rally in Australia after Murray Bridge ] > ......question ,will it deteriate before I try to use it? > > Note I will qualify my idea about using the oil for the engine by saying > that by that time I might be living in a cave and want the oil for > lighting > and cooking........due to to ever increasng financial crisis that is now > heading for Depression! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Sat Feb 7 04:39:45 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 23:39:45 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] fires today Message-ID: <1625.218.214.134.238.1234010385.squirrel@www.emeraldscouts.org.au> It was over 40 (116F) here again today and once again we are terrorised by fire here in my state of Victoria. Approximately 30% of our state is either burning or burnt today. Hundreds of homes have been lost and so far fourteen people have been killed. Entire towns are gone. Some fire fronts have reached the Northern suburbs of our capital Melbourne. Many of the fires are arson. Some are from lightning. Several of the biggest ten have moved hundreds of km defying the efforts of fire fighters. We've been very lucky today. There have been several large fires in and around our town. A sleepless night coming up now that the wind has become gusty. Tomorrow a cooler day but gale force winds. Our northern neighbours in New South Wales are in for it tomorrow. Very ironic given the northern most state Queensland has huge areas of flooding. Regards Paul From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Feb 7 13:19:21 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 08:19:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] fires today References: <1625.218.214.134.238.1234010385.squirrel@www.emeraldscouts.org.au> Message-ID: Well Paul, we just refer back to Dorothea Mackellar's poem: "My Country" I love a sunburnt country, A land of sweeping plains, Of ragged mountain ranges, Of droughts and flooding rains. I love her far horizons, I love her jewel-sea, Her beauty and her terror - The wide brown land for me! etc I would not trade it for anything.! Peter, Oz > It was over 40 (116F) here again today and once again we are terrorised by > fire here in my state of Victoria. Approximately 30% of our state is > either burning or burnt today. Hundreds of homes have been lost and so far > fourteen people have been killed. Entire towns are gone. Some fire fronts > have reached the Northern suburbs of our capital Melbourne. > > Many of the fires are arson. Some are from lightning. > > Several of the biggest ten have moved hundreds of km defying the efforts > of fire fighters. > > We've been very lucky today. There have been several large fires in and > around our town. A sleepless night coming up now that the wind has become > gusty. > > Tomorrow a cooler day but gale force winds. Our northern neighbours in New > South Wales are in for it tomorrow. Very ironic given the northern most > state Queensland has huge areas of flooding. > > Regards Paul From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Feb 7 15:41:42 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 08:41:42 +0900 Subject: [SEL] fires today References: <1625.218.214.134.238.1234010385.squirrel@www.emeraldscouts.org.au> Message-ID: <55168C1162554D509CC1B132611FCA2A@acer8ff47bfe9a> Peter and Paul......my thoughts are with you ,times are bad ,fire and flood on top of all our other problems . On the deliberately lit fires ,the same questions will come up again.I have no problem as regards what to do with these people .Unfortunately my punishment would not be acceptable to a lot of people so the next best thing is life ,hard labour and this happens straight away ,it takes precedence in the waiting line for court appearances ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 9:39 PM Subject: [SEL] fires today > It was over 40 (116F) here again today and once again we are terrorised by > fire here in my state of Victoria. Approximately 30% of our state is > either burning or burnt today. Hundreds of homes have been lost and so far > fourteen people have been killed. Entire towns are gone. Some fire fronts > have reached the Northern suburbs of our capital Melbourne. > > Many of the fires are arson. Some are from lightning. > > Several of the biggest ten have moved hundreds of km defying the efforts > of fire fighters. > > We've been very lucky today. There have been several large fires in and > around our town. A sleepless night coming up now that the wind has become > gusty. > > Tomorrow a cooler day but gale force winds. Our northern neighbours in New > South Wales are in for it tomorrow. Very ironic given the northern most > state Queensland has huge areas of flooding. > > Regards Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Feb 7 23:22:50 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 18:22:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT Licence plates Message-ID: Hi Guys I am wanting to complete my USA Licence Plate collection and get all 50 states. If anyone has a good old plate they want to part with let me know. I am after donations first and I will pay postage in Yankee Dollars cash back to you. Please reply OFF LIST ONLY plowe at exemail.com.au that means click on this address and go directly to me, this is not list traffic. I am also after plates from other countries. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/pl8s/USA.htm I do have a lot more plates to add to my web site, some I can some I can't ;-)) wink wink Regards Peter, Oz From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Sun Feb 8 00:59:20 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:59:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] fires today - a map to put the fires in context In-Reply-To: <498E28C9.5080709@steamengine.com.au> References: <498E28C9.5080709@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <498E9EE8.9010805@steamengine.com.au> Someone has created this Google map that puts the fires in context and shows how many of them have joined up. It is said that this is the worst event since European settlement in Victoria over 200 years ago. The state has been declared a disaster area and troops have been mobilised. Fire fighters are moving in from interstate to help. According to emergency radio over 65 people are confirmed dead and over 700 homes have been burnt. Some entire communities have been destroyed. Marysville for example only the fire shelter with most of the community members within was saved. http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=109226935524884968309.00046252015ee6beb4fca&ll=-36.75649,145.129395&spn=2.442569,4.943848&source=embed Our government has been looking for a huge build project to help our economy... I guess they've got it now. Regards Paul From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Feb 8 04:21:29 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:21:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Rutland engine Ebay Message-ID: <72B5E71D71EE4B5BBCB79B32CC2D596E@peterlowe> Hi all Anyone know the history on this engine? http://tinyurl.com/bzq7sq Peter From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Sun Feb 8 04:42:53 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:42:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Rutland engine Ebay In-Reply-To: <72B5E71D71EE4B5BBCB79B32CC2D596E@peterlowe> References: <72B5E71D71EE4B5BBCB79B32CC2D596E@peterlowe> Message-ID: <498ED34D.1070908@steamengine.com.au> Looks like it might have some Southern Cross 'P' heritage. And why not... they copied Lister :). That carb looks like a Zenith - they were fairly popular with small Melbourne manufacturers like Commando. Note I'm not implying any association. I've seen one before - I think at Heyfield National. I looked in my photos but couldn't find a pic. Regards Paul Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all > Anyone know the history on this engine? > > http://tinyurl.com/bzq7sq > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 02/07/09 13:39:00 > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Feb 8 04:32:22 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:32:22 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Aus Fires In-Reply-To: <609DF4F319DA4F96A2E43B9212CD9492@REG> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090208142158.00bdf710@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >To all my Aussie friends, You are all in my thoughts and prayers. Those fires are just too terrible for anyone who has not experienced them to comprehend. I pray that you and yours are all safe. Special thanks and prayers for Brad - I hope you are safe and thank you for what you do. Jerry From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sun Feb 8 06:51:13 2009 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 06:51:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Rutland engine Ebay References: <72B5E71D71EE4B5BBCB79B32CC2D596E@peterlowe> Message-ID: Looks very much the same as a Cushman binder engine. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Lowe To: ATIS ; Oldengine.org Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 4:21 AM Subject: Rutland engine Ebay Hi all Anyone know the history on this engine? http://tinyurl.com/bzq7sq Peter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 02/07/09 13:39:00 From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Feb 8 07:01:47 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:01:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Aus Fires References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090208142158.00bdf710@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <000d01c989fe$2a721d70$66674b47@mikecomp> The pictures and videos are beyond anything I could imagine. Be careful, be safe. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Aus Fires > >>To all my Aussie friends, > You are all in my thoughts and prayers. Those fires are just too > terrible for anyone who has not experienced them to comprehend. > I pray that you and yours are all safe. Special thanks and prayers > for Brad - I hope you are safe and thank you for what you do. > Jerry > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Feb 8 13:02:48 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 08:02:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Licence plates Message-ID: <2244283DFAD64D3AA4B6D9FACA3EADAB@peterlowe> To all those who have replied about US plates, make sure they are washed free of road dirt as our customs will not let them in if they are. Regards Peter From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 8 14:11:43 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 16:11:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Licence plates References: <2244283DFAD64D3AA4B6D9FACA3EADAB@peterlowe> Message-ID: <4C29D92551F946C08CE86A595833764B@PAUL> Peter do you have one for Arkansas? If not I will try and get you one. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 3:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Licence plates > To all those who have replied about US plates, make sure they are washed > free of road dirt as our customs will not let them in if they are. > > Regards > Peter > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Feb 8 14:18:23 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 07:18:23 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Aus Fires References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090208142158.00bdf710@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <000d01c989fe$2a721d70$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: I am sure I can speak for many of us Mike and Jerry , thanks it is beyond belief what has happened .Although I am thousands of km's from this it is so sobering and I am lost for words . Some of the scenes on tv are like the end of the world ,terrible. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; ; Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Aus Fires > The pictures and videos are beyond anything I could imagine. Be careful, > be > safe. > > MR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Evans" > To: ; ; > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 7:32 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Aus Fires > > >> >>>To all my Aussie friends, >> You are all in my thoughts and prayers. Those fires are just too >> terrible for anyone who has not experienced them to comprehend. >> I pray that you and yours are all safe. Special thanks and >> prayers >> for Brad - I hope you are safe and thank you for what you do. >> Jerry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ilifa at internode.on.net Sun Feb 8 14:44:53 2009 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 09:44:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Rutland engine Ebay In-Reply-To: <72B5E71D71EE4B5BBCB79B32CC2D596E@peterlowe> References: <72B5E71D71EE4B5BBCB79B32CC2D596E@peterlowe> Message-ID: <4A12D124-86FB-4B1F-9E44-F87A1FFA72A2@internode.on.net> > Anyone know the history on this engine? Primary source information is hard to come by, but I have been told that the Rutland engine was based on the design of the Robinson engine built at Warrnambool, Vic. At least one of those exists. Rutland Engineering Co P/L were at 380 Bourke St, Melbourne and made dairy equipment. It is possible that only about 45 engines were built. It is also suggested that Ronaldson Bros & Tippett bought the firm in the early 1920's to get their milking machine. The carburettor is a Schebler. Eric From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Feb 8 15:55:27 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 17:55:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-22009208235527890@earthlink.net> I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days ago but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast brass tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. Anyone have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only find one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single coil is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page via this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Feb 8 16:48:20 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:48:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-22009208235527890@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000601c98a50$1b03f230$66674b47@mikecomp> Ahhhhhhhh, I am so jealous!!! I have always wanted one of those! More pictures as you go please!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:55 PM Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine >I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days ago > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast brass > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. Anyone > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only find > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single coil > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page via > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Feb 8 16:48:11 2009 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:48:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-22009208235527890@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <573A70650AA549CA96C13B76B950C3C3@YOURDA6F5028CB> Does your engine have both pistons reaching top dead center at the same time (two crank pins @ 180 deg), or one at the top and the other at the bottom (one crank pin, 360 deg. crank) ? Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:55 PM Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine >I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days ago > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast brass > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. Anyone > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only find > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single coil > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page via > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 02/06/09 17:28:00 From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Feb 8 17:08:24 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:08:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-22009219182462@earthlink.net> they both hit tdc at the same time. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Skip Cleveland > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/8/2009 6:48:03 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Does your engine have both pistons reaching top dead center at the same time > (two crank pins @ 180 deg), or one at the top and the other at the bottom > (one crank pin, 360 deg. crank) ? > Skip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:55 PM > Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > >I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days ago > > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast brass > > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. Anyone > > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only find > > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single coil > > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page via > > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 > > > > Tim Christoff > > Basehor Kansas > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 02/06/09 > 17:28:00 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Feb 8 17:10:42 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:10:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-2200921911042609@earthlink.net> Well heck Mike, just hold back on the booze a bit and you could save enough up for one. Wait a min. what am I saying, you Oyster boys are rich from everything I have heard and seen, just go and buy one. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Mike Royster > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/8/2009 6:46:11 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Ahhhhhhhh, I am so jealous!!! I have always wanted one of those! More > pictures as you go please!! > > MR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:55 PM > Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > >I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days ago > > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast brass > > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. Anyone > > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only find > > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single coil > > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page via > > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 > > > > Tim Christoff > > Basehor Kansas > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Feb 8 18:21:31 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 21:21:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-2200921911042609@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000f01c98a5d$1f283490$66674b47@mikecomp> You obviously have me confused with my evil scotch swilling land baron rich builder brother.teve!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > Well heck Mike, just hold back on the booze a bit and you could save > enough > up for one. Wait a min. what am I saying, you Oyster boys are rich from > everything I have heard and seen, just go and buy one. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Mike Royster >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 2/8/2009 6:46:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine >> >> Ahhhhhhhh, I am so jealous!!! I have always wanted one of those! More >> pictures as you go please!! >> >> MR >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Christoff" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:55 PM >> Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine >> >> >> >I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days ago >> > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast >> > brass >> > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. Anyone >> > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only > find >> > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single > coil >> > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page via >> > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 >> > >> > Tim Christoff >> > Basehor Kansas >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Sun Feb 8 18:37:40 2009 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:37:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-22009208235527890@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <007001c98a5f$60fefe60$0201010a@JBCooper> Hi Tim, I have recently been given a New Way sales catalogue from the John Deere Plow Co. Omaha, Sioux Falls in mint condition approximately 1911 edition. Your engine is listed almost identical to the picture you supplied. There is also a similar engine in a club near here and also a single cylinder one in the area. Have fun, John Cooper, Bega Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 AM Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days ago > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast brass > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. Anyone > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only find > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single coil > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page via > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: 02/08/09 17:57:00 From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Feb 8 18:52:38 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 20:52:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-2200921925238125@earthlink.net> You sure about that Mike? I seem to remember one night ( I remember it well) in the low rent district, you had a certain Canadains (female) shoe tipped up to your mouth as liquid was pouring out and down your throat. shortly there after if memory serves me correctly, you decided to enter your brother Steves tent and....well......I can only say...well...I really can't say since this is a family list. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Mike Royster > > You obviously have me confused with my evil scotch swilling land baron rich > builder brother.teve!!!! > From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Feb 8 18:55:35 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 20:55:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-2200921925535968@earthlink.net> Hi John, is that the D-11 catolog? Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: John & Beryl Cooper > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/9/2009 6:37:10 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Hi Tim, > I have recently been given a New Way sales catalogue from the John Deere > Plow Co. Omaha, Sioux Falls in mint condition approximately 1911 edition. > Your engine is listed almost identical to the picture you supplied. There is > also a similar engine in a club near here and also a single cylinder one in > the area. > Have fun, > John Cooper, > Bega Australia. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 AM > Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > > > > I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days ago > > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast brass > > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. Anyone > > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only find > > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single coil > > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page via > > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 > > > > Tim Christoff > > Basehor Kansas > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: 02/08/09 > 17:57:00 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Feb 8 19:09:39 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 22:09:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-2200921925238125@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <01a101c98a63$d89aaa60$66674b47@mikecomp> Tim, you were obviously impaired, vision or otherwise! I was an innocent victim, sleeping soundly in my tent when the Canadian Banshee went on the rampage and was searching for my brother and his bottle of elixir. Like you, I am just a happy simple, normal person. Except you have a New Way twin you dog!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > You sure about that Mike? I seem to remember one night ( I remember it > well) in the low rent district, you had a certain Canadains (female) shoe > tipped up to your mouth as liquid was pouring out and down your throat. > shortly there after if memory serves me correctly, you decided to enter > your brother Steves tent and....well......I can only say...well...I really > can't say since this is a family list. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Mike Royster >> >> You obviously have me confused with my evil scotch swilling land baron > rich >> builder brother.teve!!!! >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Feb 8 19:41:17 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 21:41:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-2200921934117671@earthlink.net> > Tim, you were obviously impaired, vision or otherwise! This is very possiable >I was an innocent victim, Sorry Mike, that's a hard one to swallow >sleeping soundly in my tent when the Canadian Banshee went on the > rampage and was searching for my brother and his bottle of elixir. That I do remember but it was latter in the morning, we could always check with Leroy to be sure though > Like you, I am just a happy simple, normal person. Except you have a New Way > twin you dog!!!! Yes, I do don't I! Tim Christoff Basehor, KS. > MR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > > You sure about that Mike? I seem to remember one night ( I remember it > > well) in the low rent district, you had a certain Canadains (female) shoe > > tipped up to your mouth as liquid was pouring out and down your throat. > > shortly there after if memory serves me correctly, you decided to enter > > your brother Steves tent and....well......I can only say...well...I really > > can't say since this is a family list. > > > > Tim Christoff > > Basehor Kansas > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Mike Royster > >> > >> You obviously have me confused with my evil scotch swilling land baron > > rich > >> builder brother.teve!!!! > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Feb 8 20:11:09 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:11:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Licence plates Message-ID: <63017957420A4301B406987730120256@peterlowe> Hi all For those who have volunteer plates to my collection and to anything else engine related it might be worth knowing this as far as postage goes. Most people do not know that you can post things like plate aluminium (aluminum), steel, gaskets, books, etc etc as long as it is not thicker than 20mm (3/4") and weight not more 500grams (1.1lbs) it can go as a large letter $1.10 in Australia There are allot of ways you can save money if you know your postmaster well like I do or study the Australia Post web site. http://www.auspost.com.au/ For those sending one plate from the USA, try a large stiff envelope and ask your post office. The USPS web site mentions that an envelope can't be rigid ?? different to here. So that might be a restriction to cheap postage, but ask for the cheapest airmail to Oz. The US licence plate length may also beat you for letter size posting ??. I try all ways of reducing postage costs by looking at the fine print. Sometimes an Express Post Bag is cheaper for long distance in Oz up to 3Kg, cheaper by $4 in some cases to putting something in a box. Because our dollar has crashed again, getting stuff from UK or USA is now expensive again, so any reduction is good. Do your homework guys and save money to spend on engines. My $0.02 worth Peter, oz From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Feb 8 20:31:40 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:31:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-2200921934117671@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <057e01c98a6f$4da32430$66674b47@mikecomp> And back to our original post, I am still JEALOUS!!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > >> Tim, you were obviously impaired, vision or otherwise! > > This is very possiable > > >>I was an innocent victim, > > Sorry Mike, that's a hard one to swallow > >>sleeping soundly in my tent when the Canadian Banshee went on the >> rampage and was searching for my brother and his bottle of elixir. > > That I do remember but it was latter in the morning, we could always check > with Leroy to be sure though > >> Like you, I am just a happy simple, normal person. Except you have a New > Way >> twin you dog!!!! > > Yes, I do don't I! > > Tim Christoff > Basehor, KS. > >> MR >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Christoff" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine >> >> >> > You sure about that Mike? I seem to remember one night ( I remember it >> > well) in the low rent district, you had a certain Canadains (female) > shoe >> > tipped up to your mouth as liquid was pouring out and down your throat. >> > shortly there after if memory serves me correctly, you decided to enter >> > your brother Steves tent and....well......I can only say...well...I > really >> > can't say since this is a family list. >> > >> > Tim Christoff >> > Basehor Kansas >> > >> > >> >> [Original Message] >> >> From: Mike Royster >> >> >> >> You obviously have me confused with my evil scotch swilling land baron >> > rich >> >> builder brother.teve!!!! >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Sun Feb 8 22:33:56 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:33:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Aus Fires In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090208142158.00bdf710@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <000d01c989fe$2a721d70$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <498FCE54.8050007@steamengine.com.au> We must not forget it isn't over yet. The fires are still burning. Communities are still under threat. Two towns from me (7km) in Gembrook they are on high alert. More people have been found dead today. The toll is huge. One commentator made the point today that we've lost more people to this fire than we did in the Vietnam war. Scary. The way I've pasted this the links should not come through. If they do - please don't go to them to keep the site clear for those in danger. If anyone wants detailed information contact me off list. I check the alerts every 15 minutes now that one fire is nearby and the wind blowing in this direction - I'll be more than happy to send the full text off list. Regards Paul Below are the current alerts from the fireys.... Urgent Threat Message - Yea- Murrindindi Fire (formerly Murrindindi Mill Fire), 4.45pm 09/02/2009 Urgent Threat Message for communities of Connellys Creek, Acheron, Crystal Creek, Crystal Creek Road, Scrubby Creek and along Wharregarwen Road Urgent Threat Message - Beechworth Fire (Bruarong), 3.00pm 09/02/2009 Urgent Threat Message for areas of Bruarong, Dederang, Gundowring, Gundowring Upper, Kancoona, Kancoona Sth, Coral Bank, Glen Creek & Running Creek Urgent Threat Message - Churchill Jeering Fire, 4.15pm 09/02/2009 Urgent Threat Message Urgent Threat Message - Toolangi Fire, 2.30pm 09/02/2009 Urgent Threat Message for communities of Toolangi Urgent Threat Message - Redesdale-Coliban Park Road Fire, 12.30pm 09/02/2009 Urgent Threat Message for communities near Burke & Wills Track and Glenhope Alert Message - Churchill-Jeeralang (Glendonald Road) Fire, 4.30pm 09/02/2009 Alert Message for residents in the Won Wron and Carrajung area Alert Message - Bunyip Ridge Fire, 3.05pm 09/02/2009 Alert Message for communities in the area of Caraway Drive, East Beenak Rd to the Pack track in Gembrook Alert Message Kilmore East Fire, 2.00pm 09/02/2009 Alert Message for communities in Goulburn River Valley between Yea & Seymour Alert Message - Beechworth Fire (Stanley), 3.00pm 09/02/2009 Alert Message for communities of Stanley, Yackandandah, Eskdale & Little Snowy Creek Alert Message Redesdale-Coliban Park Road Fire (Baynton and other communities) 9.30am 09/02/2009 Alert Message for the communities of Baynton, Glenhope, Redesdale and Mia Mia Alert Message - Redesdale-Coliban Park Road Fire (Glenhope community), 3.00pm 09/02/2009 Alert Message for the communities of Glenhope and in the areas of Boyers Rd, Haries Lane, Buntings Rd and Coombe Lane Alert Message - residents of Healesville, Yarra Glen and Chum Creek, 3.00pm 09/02/2009 Alert Message peter ogborne wrote: > I am sure I can speak for many of us Mike and Jerry , thanks it is beyond > belief what has happened .Although I am thousands of km's from this it is so > sobering and I am lost for words . Some of the scenes on tv are like the end > of the world ,terrible. > From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Sun Feb 8 23:31:58 2009 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:31:58 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Aus Fires References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090208142158.00bdf710@mail.cyberserv.co.za><000d01c989fe$2a721d70$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <008d01c98a88$7e2bb9f0$210110ac@Chester> I, like Peter are thousands of kms away, the news reports show the devestation of property and worse the loss of lives, although we cant physically help, i know everyone is thinking of our fellow aussies, it makes you sit back & take a look at what is important in life, all the best, Chester Smith. ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Aus Fires >I am sure I can speak for many of us Mike and Jerry , thanks it is beyond > belief what has happened .Although I am thousands of km's from this it is > so > sobering and I am lost for words . Some of the scenes on tv are like the > end > of the world ,terrible. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Royster" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; > ; > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:01 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Aus Fires > > >> The pictures and videos are beyond anything I could imagine. Be careful, >> be >> safe. >> >> MR >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry Evans" >> To: ; ; >> >> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 7:32 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Aus Fires >> >> >>> >>>>To all my Aussie friends, >>> You are all in my thoughts and prayers. Those fires are just too >>> terrible for anyone who has not experienced them to comprehend. >>> I pray that you and yours are all safe. Special thanks and >>> prayers >>> for Brad - I hope you are safe and thank you for what you do. >>> Jerry >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Mon Feb 9 02:14:27 2009 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:14:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-2200921925535968@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003001c98a9f$30de7bd0$0201010a@JBCooper> Hi Tim, Correct, that is the D11 catalogue. Regards, John Cooper,\. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Hi John, is that the D-11 catolog? > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> [Original Message] >> From: John & Beryl Cooper >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 2/9/2009 6:37:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine >> >> Hi Tim, >> I have recently been given a New Way sales catalogue from the John Deere >> Plow Co. Omaha, Sioux Falls in mint condition approximately 1911 edition. >> Your engine is listed almost identical to the picture you supplied. There > is >> also a similar engine in a club near here and also a single cylinder one > in >> the area. >> Have fun, >> John Cooper, >> Bega Australia. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Christoff" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 AM >> Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine >> >> >> > >> > I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days >> > ago >> > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast >> > brass >> > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. Anyone >> > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only > find >> > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single > coil >> > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page via >> > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 >> > >> > Tim Christoff >> > Basehor Kansas >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: > 02/08/09 >> 17:57:00 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: 02/08/09 17:57:00 From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Feb 9 02:52:44 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:52:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Licence plates Message-ID: For those who have promised plates I will change the white text to black on my web site so we do not double up. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/pl8s/USA.htm Hit the refresh button on your browser if you still see NC & KY in white, they should be black. Thanks Mike & Elden. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Feb 9 03:31:37 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 04:31:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Licence plates In-Reply-To: <2244283DFAD64D3AA4B6D9FACA3EADAB@peterlowe> References: <2244283DFAD64D3AA4B6D9FACA3EADAB@peterlowe> Message-ID: G'day Peter; How 'bout Rust. I have an ole truck "Farm" plate that is all rusted up but readable. Farm plates were used by farmers on their vehicles that were mainly used on the farm and rarely taken out on the highway. They were a lot cheaper, but not available anymore. Regarding the Montana plates you have, the first number represents the County in Montana. 1P (meaning passenger, a T would mean truck) being Silverbow county in which good ole Butte resides and the 3 being Yellowstone county in which Billings resides. I've been saving the rusted one for ya for years now. Now I just need to find it. and I'll keep my eye out as several antique shops have them around here. RickinMt. Subject: [SEL] Licence plates > To all those who have replied about US plates, make sure they are washed > free of road dirt as our customs will not let them in if they are. From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Feb 9 03:49:16 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 22:49:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Licence plates References: <2244283DFAD64D3AA4B6D9FACA3EADAB@peterlowe> Message-ID: <3DFF9DF25EA14BABBA8F04E0DBE0DB17@peterlowe> Hi Rick OK that sounds good mate. Do not go out and buy these plates, I can do that via Ebay. I am just after plates that people might have that they have no use (FREE) and I pay postage. Regards Peter > G'day Peter; > How 'bout Rust. I have an ole truck "Farm" plate that is all rusted up > but readable. Farm plates were used by farmers on their vehicles that > were mainly used on the farm and rarely taken out on the highway. They > were a lot cheaper, but not available anymore. > > Regarding the Montana plates you have, the first number represents the > County in Montana. 1P (meaning passenger, a T would mean truck) being > Silverbow county in which good ole Butte resides and the 3 being > Yellowstone county in which Billings resides. > > I've been saving the rusted one for ya for years now. Now I just need to > find it. > > and I'll keep my eye out as several antique shops have them around here. > > RickinMt. > > > Subject: [SEL] Licence plates > > >> To all those who have replied about US plates, make sure they are washed >> free of road dirt as our customs will not let them in if they are. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Feb 9 03:57:34 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 04:57:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Licence plates In-Reply-To: <2244283DFAD64D3AA4B6D9FACA3EADAB@peterlowe> <3DFF9DF25EA14BABBA8F04E0DBE0DB17@peterlowe> References: <2244283DFAD64D3AA4B6D9FACA3EADAB@peterlowe> <3DFF9DF25EA14BABBA8F04E0DBE0DB17@peterlowe> Message-ID: So Rust is ok Peter? I can see the dirt thing. Don't want that apple maggot getting around the world like they have in the Northwest :-) The one antique shop I'm thinking about, would prolly give them to me if he still has them. From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Feb 9 08:28:43 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:28:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Licence plates In-Reply-To: <2244283DFAD64D3AA4B6D9FACA3EADAB@peterlowe> Message-ID: Peter: Gotcha! I'm warming the autoclave as I write. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Peter Lowe > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 03:03 PM > To: ATIS; Oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Licence plates > > > To all those who have replied about US plates, > make sure they are washed free of road dirt as > our customs will not let them in if they are. > > Regards > Peter From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Feb 9 07:38:00 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:38:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Licence plates In-Reply-To: <63017957420A4301B406987730120256@peterlowe> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20090209101458.02196e30@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi, There are different rates of course depending on the package. Envelopes that are flexible thus able to run thru their automatic sorting machines goes for a slightly cheaper rate. The same envelope but STIFF, non machinable. Goes at a surcharge rate, not shown on any of their charts on-line that I have ever seen. But its appears on the screens at the post office when they punch in a code for non machinable envelope. So you can mail a stiff envelope they just charge you more. Its usually only a small amount more. Yes you have to ask for the cheapest rate or else they will default to a higher rate, I've seen them quote Priority Mail for envelopes. If you don't fuss thats what you will pay for. If you fuss then they will go down the line till you quit fussing or they reach the cheapest and can't go any further. There are other hidden surcharge rates that does not show up on the screen, like packages not of cardboard, UPS does this same thing, a surcharge for items packaged in plastic, wood or metal crates or containers. You will not find this one on the regular rates page when calculating postage. This one will cost you $5.00 more. Mark At 03:11 PM 2/9/2009 +1100, you wrote: >For those sending one plate from the USA, try a large stiff envelope and >ask your post office. The USPS web site mentions that an envelope can't be >rigid ?? different to here. So that might be a restriction to cheap >postage, but ask for the cheapest airmail to Oz. The US licence plate >length may also beat you for letter size posting ??. >I try all ways of reducing postage costs by looking at the fine print. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com 419.358.5206 Home 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Feb 9 08:05:41 2009 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:05:41 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Starting a 1953 Lister JP2 in royalty class motor boat Victoria Message-ID: <002801c98ad0$42dd4d80$3a290556@intrepid> I spotted this on the UK narrowboat group & thought it might be near enough subject to interest some of you! If you can view it in high definition it looks good. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Askin said Hi Folks, I've been doing some more filming on Sunday, and this is the result: http://www.vimeo.com/3134959 (Watch it in HD if you are able - if it's not already click the "HD is Off" button to turn it on, and make it full screen (the arrows that look like an X bottom right). Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Feb 9 08:37:28 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:37:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine In-Reply-To: <01a101c98a63$d89aaa60$66674b47@mikecomp> References: <410-2200921925238125@earthlink.net> <01a101c98a63$d89aaa60$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: "Canadian Banshee" ?!?!?! Bwahahahahaha!!!! BTW, whatever happened to "What happens at Portland, Stays at Portland"? And if I recall correctly the events of the evening in question (and there may be some debate regarding that, as I think I had partaken of a wee dram or two of that elixir myself), I think the "Canadian Banshee" was searching for the elixir. Your poor brother just happened to be in the way. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - Judging by the sounds that came out of that tent, I think Steve surrendered. PPS - Mike, I think you NEED one of those pretty New Way Twins. On Sun, February 8, 2009 10:09 pm, Mike Royster wrote: > Tim, you were obviously impaired, vision or otherwise! I was an innocent > victim, sleeping soundly in my tent when the Canadian Banshee went on the > rampage and was searching for my brother and his bottle of elixir. Like > you, I am just a happy simple, normal person. Except you have a New Way > twin you dog!!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > >> You sure about that Mike? I seem to remember one night ( I remember it >> well) in the low rent district, you had a certain Canadains (female) shoe >> tipped up to your mouth as liquid was pouring out and down your throat. >> shortly there after if memory serves me correctly, you decided to enter >> your brother Steves tent and....well......I can only say...well...I really >> can't say since this is a family list. >> >>> [Original Message] >>> From: Mike Royster >>> >>> You obviously have me confused with my evil scotch swilling land baron >>> rich builder brother.teve!!!! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Feb 9 09:01:04 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:01:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine In-Reply-To: References: <410-2200921925238125@earthlink.net> <01a101c98a63$d89aaa60$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: All I remember was the screaming!! Then my elixer disappeared! Then My brother disappeared. Then the screaming stopped! Somehow my tent got really wet. Somehow my head really hurt!!! Never camped in the low rent district after that. Someone should have warned me about the Canadian Banshee! Steve, the good oyster! > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:37:28 -0500> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine> > "Canadian Banshee" ?!?!?! Bwahahahahaha!!!!> > BTW, whatever happened to "What happens at Portland, Stays at Portland"?> > And if I recall correctly the events of the evening in question (and there may be> some debate regarding that, as I think I had partaken of a wee dram or two of that> elixir myself), I think the "Canadian Banshee" was searching for the elixir. Your> poor brother just happened to be in the way. 8-))> > See ya, Arnie> > PS - Judging by the sounds that came out of that tent, I think Steve surrendered.> PPS - Mike, I think you NEED one of those pretty New Way Twins.> > On Sun, February 8, 2009 10:09 pm, Mike Royster wrote:> > Tim, you were obviously impaired, vision or otherwise! I was an innocent> > victim, sleeping soundly in my tent when the Canadian Banshee went on the> > rampage and was searching for my brother and his bottle of elixir. Like> > you, I am just a happy simple, normal person. Except you have a New Way> > twin you dog!!!!> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "Tim Christoff" > >> >> You sure about that Mike? I seem to remember one night ( I remember it> >> well) in the low rent district, you had a certain Canadains (female) shoe> >> tipped up to your mouth as liquid was pouring out and down your throat.> >> shortly there after if memory serves me correctly, you decided to enter> >> your brother Steves tent and....well......I can only say...well...I really> >> can't say since this is a family list.> >>> >>> [Original Message]> >>> From: Mike Royster > >>>> >>> You obviously have me confused with my evil scotch swilling land baron> >>> rich builder brother.teve!!!!> > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is> believed to be clean.> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 From oldengin at verizon.net Mon Feb 9 09:21:24 2009 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 12:21:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-2200921925238125@earthlink.net> <01a101c98a63$d89aaa60$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <002401c98ada$d66a3cc0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> All I remember are the lights, sirens and the twenty questions from the police......... nuff said!! Leroy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine All I remember was the screaming!! Then my elixer disappeared! Then My brother disappeared. Then the screaming stopped! Somehow my tent got really wet. Somehow my head really hurt!!! Never camped in the low rent district after that. Someone should have warned me about the Canadian Banshee! Steve, the good oyster! > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:37:28 -0500> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To: > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine> > > "Canadian Banshee" ?!?!?! Bwahahahahaha!!!!> > BTW, whatever happened to > "What happens at Portland, Stays at Portland"?> > And if I recall > correctly the events of the evening in question (and there may be> some > debate regarding that, as I think I had partaken of a wee dram or two of > that> elixir myself), I think the "Canadian Banshee" was searching for the > elixir. Your> poor brother just happened to be in the way. 8-))> > See ya, > Arnie> > PS - Judging by the sounds that came out of that tent, I think > Steve surrendered.> PPS - Mike, I think you NEED one of those pretty New > Way Twins.> > On Sun, February 8, 2009 10:09 pm, Mike Royster wrote:> > > Tim, you were obviously impaired, vision or otherwise! I was an innocent> > > victim, sleeping soundly in my tent when the Canadian Banshee went on > the> > rampage and was searching for my brother and his bottle of elixir. > Like> > you, I am just a happy simple, normal person. Except you have a > New Way> > twin you dog!!!!> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: > "Tim Christoff" > >> >> You sure about that > Mike? I seem to remember one night ( I remember it> >> well) in the low > rent district, you had a certain Canadains (female) shoe> >> tipped up to > your mouth as liquid was pouring out and down your throat.> >> shortly > there after if memory serves me correctly, you decided to enter> >> your > brother Steves tent and....well......I can only say...well...I really> >> > can't say since this is a family list.> >>> >>> [Original Message]> >>> > From: Mike Royster > >>>> >>> You obviously have me > confused with my evil scotch swilling land baron> >>> rich builder > brother.teve!!!!> > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses > and> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is> believed to be clean.> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1941 - Release Date: 2/9/2009 6:50 AM From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Feb 9 13:16:05 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:16:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Starting a 1953 Lister JP2 in royalty class motor boatVictoria Message-ID: <410-22009219211650@earthlink.net> That was very enjoyable Dave. I really liked the way he set up his compression release. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Dave Croft > To: atis > Cc: Oldengine.org > Date: 2/9/2009 10:11:30 AM > Subject: [SEL] Starting a 1953 Lister JP2 in royalty class motor boatVictoria > > I spotted this on the UK narrowboat group & thought it might be near enough subject to interest some of you! > If you can view it in high definition it looks good. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > > Michael Askin said > Hi Folks, > I've been doing some more filming on Sunday, and this is the result: > http://www.vimeo.com/3134959 > (Watch it in HD if you are able - if it's not already click the "HD is > Off" button to turn it on, and make it full screen (the arrows that > look like an X bottom right). > > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Feb 9 13:25:24 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:25:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-22009219212524828@earthlink.net> If I am able to make Portland this August Mike, I will bring it with me. You can even help me unload it.. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > > And back to our original post, I am still JEALOUS!!!!! > > MR From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Feb 9 13:46:48 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:46:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-2200921925238125@earthlink.net><01a101c98a63$d89aaa60$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <1BB164B24A384831B90A3BE8699A8CC7@REG> Its called 'Selective Amnesia'. An affliction of most Politicians, I might add!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine All I remember was the screaming!! Then my elixer disappeared! Then My brother disappeared. Then the screaming stopped! Somehow my tent got really wet. Somehow my head really hurt!!! Never camped in the low rent district after that. Someone should have warned me about the Canadian Banshee! Steve, the good oyster! > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:37:28 -0500> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To: > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine> > > "Canadian Banshee" ?!?!?! Bwahahahahaha!!!!> > BTW, whatever happened to > "What happens at Portland, Stays at Portland"?> > And if I recall > correctly the events of the evening in question (and there may be> some > debate regarding that, as I think I had partaken of a wee dram or two of > that> elixir myself), I think the "Canadian Banshee" was searching for the > elixir. Your> poor brother just happened to be in the way. 8-))> > See ya, > Arnie> > PS - Judging by the sounds that came out of that tent, I think > Steve surrendered.> PPS - Mike, I think you NEED one of those pretty New > Way Twins.> > On Sun, February 8, 2009 10:09 pm, Mike Royster wrote:> > > Tim, you were obviously impaired, vision or otherwise! I was an innocent> > > victim, sleeping soundly in my tent when the Canadian Banshee went on > the> > rampage and was searching for my brother and his bottle of elixir. > Like> > you, I am just a happy simple, normal person. Except you have a > New Way> > twin you dog!!!!> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: > "Tim Christoff" > >> >> You sure about that > Mike? I seem to remember one night ( I remember it> >> well) in the low > rent district, you had a certain Canadains (female) shoe> >> tipped up to > your mouth as liquid was pouring out and down your throat.> >> shortly > there after if memory serves me correctly, you decided to enter> >> your > brother Steves tent and....well......I can only say...well...I really> >> > can't say since this is a family list.> >>> >>> [Original Message]> >>> > From: Mike Royster > >>>> >>> You obviously have me > confused with my evil scotch swilling land baron> >>> rich builder > brother.teve!!!!> > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses > and> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is> believed to be clean.> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Feb 9 12:58:52 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:58:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-22009219205852281@earthlink.net> Thanks John, I do have that one. You know anyone who has a manual on the twin's? I've never seen one. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: John & Beryl Cooper > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/10/2009 2:13:57 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Hi Tim, > Correct, that is the D11 catalogue. > Regards, > John Cooper,\. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:55 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > > > > Hi John, is that the D-11 catolog? > > > > Tim Christoff > > Basehor Kansas > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: John & Beryl Cooper > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Date: 2/9/2009 6:37:10 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > >> > >> Hi Tim, > >> I have recently been given a New Way sales catalogue from the John Deere > >> Plow Co. Omaha, Sioux Falls in mint condition approximately 1911 edition. > >> Your engine is listed almost identical to the picture you supplied. There > > is > >> also a similar engine in a club near here and also a single cylinder one > > in > >> the area. > >> Have fun, > >> John Cooper, > >> Bega Australia. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Tim Christoff" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 AM > >> Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine > >> > >> > >> > > >> > I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days > >> > ago > >> > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast > >> > brass > >> > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. Anyone > >> > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only > > find > >> > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single > > coil > >> > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page via > >> > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 > >> > > >> > Tim Christoff > >> > Basehor Kansas > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > >> > >> > >> > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: > > 02/08/09 > >> 17:57:00 > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: 02/08/09 > 17:57:00 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Feb 9 13:59:05 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:59:05 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine In-Reply-To: <410-22009219205852281@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20090209215905.33A8E405456@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi Tim, Does your engine have the intake and mixer[s] on top or are they under the crank and cylinders? Just curious? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tim Christoff Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:59 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine Thanks John, I do have that one. You know anyone who has a manual on the twin's? I've never seen one. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: John & Beryl Cooper > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/10/2009 2:13:57 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Hi Tim, > Correct, that is the D11 catalogue. > Regards, > John Cooper,\. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:55 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > > > > Hi John, is that the D-11 catolog? > > > > Tim Christoff > > Basehor Kansas > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: John & Beryl Cooper > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Date: 2/9/2009 6:37:10 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > >> > >> Hi Tim, > >> I have recently been given a New Way sales catalogue from the John Deere > >> Plow Co. Omaha, Sioux Falls in mint condition approximately 1911 edition. > >> Your engine is listed almost identical to the picture you supplied. There > > is > >> also a similar engine in a club near here and also a single cylinder one > > in > >> the area. > >> Have fun, > >> John Cooper, > >> Bega Australia. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Tim Christoff" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 AM > >> Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine > >> > >> > >> > > >> > I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days > >> > ago > >> > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast > >> > brass > >> > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. Anyone > >> > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only > > find > >> > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single > > coil > >> > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page via > >> > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 > >> > > >> > Tim Christoff > >> > Basehor Kansas > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > >> > >> > >> > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: > > 02/08/09 > >> 17:57:00 > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: 02/08/09 > 17:57:00 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Feb 9 15:17:33 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:17:33 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine In-Reply-To: <002401c98ada$d66a3cc0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> References: <410-2200921925238125@earthlink.net> <01a101c98a63$d89aaa60$66674b47@mikecomp> <002401c98ada$d66a3cc0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: Hey, Leroy. All I remember was hearing Steve's blood curdling screams, then the pleading, then the whimpering, and half and hour later, the confused and disoriented look on his face as he emerged from the tent. On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Leroy wrote: > All I remember are the lights, sirens and the twenty questions from > the > police......... nuff said!! Leroy >> All I remember was the screaming!! From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Feb 9 15:30:43 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:30:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine In-Reply-To: <410-22009219212524828@earthlink.net> References: <410-22009219212524828@earthlink.net> Message-ID: He'll help you unload it allright Tim, He unloaded all my New Ways at his house except one! Beware Beware> From: tchristoff at earthlink.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:25:24 -0600> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine> > If I am able to make Portland this August Mike, I will bring it with me. > You can even help me unload it..> > Tim Christoff> Basehor Kansas> > > >> > And back to our original post, I am still JEALOUS!!!!!> >> > MR> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Feb 9 15:37:00 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:37:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine In-Reply-To: References: <410-2200921925238125@earthlink.net> <01a101c98a63$d89aaa60$66674b47@mikecomp> <002401c98ada$d66a3cc0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: Well Rob, have you ever been Banshee'd? ? ? > From: rob at rustyiron.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:17:33 -0800> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine> > Hey, Leroy. All I remember was hearing Steve's blood curdling > screams, then the pleading, then the whimpering, and half and hour > later, the confused and disoriented look on his face as he emerged > from the tent.> > > On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Leroy wrote:> > All I remember are the lights, sirens and the twenty questions from > > the> > police......... nuff said!! Leroy> > >> All I remember was the screaming!!> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Feb 9 15:42:58 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:42:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-2200921923425815@earthlink.net> Hi Jim, the intake and mixer is down under the crank. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Jim O'Hagan > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/9/2009 3:59:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Hi Tim, Does your engine have the intake and mixer[s] on top or are they > under the crank and cylinders? Just curious? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tim Christoff > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:59 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Thanks John, I do have that one. You know anyone who has a manual on the > twin's? I've never seen one. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > > > [Original Message] > > From: John & Beryl Cooper > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 2/10/2009 2:13:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > > Hi Tim, > > Correct, that is the D11 catalogue. > > Regards, > > John Cooper,\. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tim Christoff" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > > > > > > > > Hi John, is that the D-11 catolog? > > > > > > Tim Christoff > > > Basehor Kansas > > > > > > > > >> [Original Message] > > >> From: John & Beryl Cooper > > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > > >> Date: 2/9/2009 6:37:10 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > >> > > >> Hi Tim, > > >> I have recently been given a New Way sales catalogue from the John > Deere > > >> Plow Co. Omaha, Sioux Falls in mint condition approximately 1911 > edition. > > >> Your engine is listed almost identical to the picture you supplied. > There > > > is > > >> also a similar engine in a club near here and also a single cylinder > one > > > in > > >> the area. > > >> Have fun, > > >> John Cooper, > > >> Bega Australia. > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Tim Christoff" > > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 AM > > >> Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days > > >> > ago > > >> > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast > > >> > brass > > >> > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. > Anyone > > >> > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only > > > find > > >> > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single > > > coil > > >> > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page > via > > >> > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 > > >> > > > >> > Tim Christoff > > >> > Basehor Kansas > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > SEL mailing list > > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---- > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > >> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: > > > 02/08/09 > > >> 17:57:00 > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> SEL mailing list > > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: > 02/08/09 > > 17:57:00 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Feb 9 15:45:03 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:45:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-220092192345331@earthlink.net> There was deffinitly somthing different about him that next morning as though it was life changing. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Rob Skinner > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/9/2009 5:17:34 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Hey, Leroy. All I remember was hearing Steve's blood curdling > screams, then the pleading, then the whimpering, and half and hour > later, the confused and disoriented look on his face as he emerged > from the tent. > > > On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Leroy wrote: > > All I remember are the lights, sirens and the twenty questions from > > the > > police......... nuff said!! Leroy > > >> All I remember was the screaming!! > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Feb 9 15:54:59 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:54:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine In-Reply-To: <410-2200921923425815@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20090209235459.B0E6A65B4CF@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Thanks,Nice! Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tim Christoff Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:43 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine Hi Jim, the intake and mixer is down under the crank. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Jim O'Hagan > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/9/2009 3:59:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Hi Tim, Does your engine have the intake and mixer[s] on top or are they > under the crank and cylinders? Just curious? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tim Christoff > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:59 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Thanks John, I do have that one. You know anyone who has a manual on the > twin's? I've never seen one. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > > > [Original Message] > > From: John & Beryl Cooper > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 2/10/2009 2:13:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > > Hi Tim, > > Correct, that is the D11 catalogue. > > Regards, > > John Cooper,\. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tim Christoff" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > > > > > > > > Hi John, is that the D-11 catolog? > > > > > > Tim Christoff > > > Basehor Kansas > > > > > > > > >> [Original Message] > > >> From: John & Beryl Cooper > > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > > >> Date: 2/9/2009 6:37:10 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > >> > > >> Hi Tim, > > >> I have recently been given a New Way sales catalogue from the John > Deere > > >> Plow Co. Omaha, Sioux Falls in mint condition approximately 1911 > edition. > > >> Your engine is listed almost identical to the picture you supplied. > There > > > is > > >> also a similar engine in a club near here and also a single cylinder > one > > > in > > >> the area. > > >> Have fun, > > >> John Cooper, > > >> Bega Australia. > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Tim Christoff" > > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 AM > > >> Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days > > >> > ago > > >> > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast > > >> > brass > > >> > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. > Anyone > > >> > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only > > > find > > >> > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single > > > coil > > >> > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page > via > > >> > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 > > >> > > > >> > Tim Christoff > > >> > Basehor Kansas > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > SEL mailing list > > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---- > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > >> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: > > > 02/08/09 > > >> 17:57:00 > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> SEL mailing list > > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: > 02/08/09 > > 17:57:00 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Feb 9 16:13:36 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:13:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-22009221001336937@earthlink.net> So Mike was not telling the truth when he told me that you gave those to him? And to think I actually let him take all my New Way Lit that one day to make copies of it. I did start to worry when I didn't see him again for 3 days but he did return all the items in the end. I will just have to really be more careful around him next time. Thank you Steve. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Steve Royster > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/9/2009 5:30:43 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > He'll help you unload it allright Tim, He unloaded all my New Ways at his house except one! Beware Beware> From: tchristoff at earthlink.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:25:24 -0600> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine> > If I am able to make Portland this August Mike, I will bring it with me. > You can even help me unload it..> > Tim Christoff> Basehor Kansas> > > >> > And back to our original post, I am still JEALOUS!!!!!> >> > MR> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_0220 09 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Mon Feb 9 17:22:52 2009 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:22:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-22009219205852281@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <01fc01c98b1e$189382d0$0201010a@JBCooper> Hi Tim, Sorry, this is all I have. Regards, John Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Thanks John, I do have that one. You know anyone who has a manual on the > twin's? I've never seen one. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> [Original Message] >> From: John & Beryl Cooper >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 2/10/2009 2:13:57 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine >> >> Hi Tim, >> Correct, that is the D11 catalogue. >> Regards, >> John Cooper,\. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Christoff" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine >> >> >> > >> > Hi John, is that the D-11 catolog? >> > >> > Tim Christoff >> > Basehor Kansas >> > >> > >> >> [Original Message] >> >> From: John & Beryl Cooper >> >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> Date: 2/9/2009 6:37:10 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine >> >> >> >> Hi Tim, >> >> I have recently been given a New Way sales catalogue from the John > Deere >> >> Plow Co. Omaha, Sioux Falls in mint condition approximately 1911 > edition. >> >> Your engine is listed almost identical to the picture you supplied. > There >> > is >> >> also a similar engine in a club near here and also a single cylinder > one >> > in >> >> the area. >> >> Have fun, >> >> John Cooper, >> >> Bega Australia. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Tim Christoff" >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 AM >> >> Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days >> >> > ago >> >> > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast >> >> > brass >> >> > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. > Anyone >> >> > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only >> > find >> >> > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single >> > coil >> >> > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page > via >> >> > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 >> >> > >> >> > Tim Christoff >> >> > Basehor Kansas >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > SEL mailing list >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > ---- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> >> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: >> > 02/08/09 >> >> 17:57:00 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: > 02/08/09 >> 17:57:00 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1942 - Release Date: 02/09/09 17:40:00 From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Feb 9 17:30:00 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:30:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Two cylinder New Way Message-ID: <20090209.173001.1244.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/19088/cat/all Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ FTD.com Shop now and save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/u4MuScM2CQfO4hcTcCpyE9h3YvvXSXSZlafu7tCfzFAIjoNzq8cfD/ From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Feb 9 18:24:51 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:24:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-22009219212524828@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003f01c98b26$c0b930b0$66674b47@mikecomp> I would be thrilled to assist you ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > If I am able to make Portland this August Mike, I will bring it with me. > You can even help me unload it.. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> >> And back to our original post, I am still JEALOUS!!!!! >> >> MR > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Feb 9 19:19:49 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:19:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-22009221031949312@earthlink.net> Thank you John Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: John & Beryl Cooper > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/10/2009 5:22:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Hi Tim, > Sorry, this is all I have. > Regards, > John Cooper > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:58 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > > > > Thanks John, I do have that one. You know anyone who has a manual on the > > twin's? I've never seen one. > > > > Tim Christoff > > Basehor Kansas > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: John & Beryl Cooper > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Date: 2/10/2009 2:13:57 AM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > >> > >> Hi Tim, > >> Correct, that is the D11 catalogue. > >> Regards, > >> John Cooper,\. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Tim Christoff" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:55 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > >> > >> > >> > > >> > Hi John, is that the D-11 catolog? > >> > > >> > Tim Christoff > >> > Basehor Kansas > >> > > >> > > >> >> [Original Message] > >> >> From: John & Beryl Cooper > >> >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> >> Date: 2/9/2009 6:37:10 PM > >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > >> >> > >> >> Hi Tim, > >> >> I have recently been given a New Way sales catalogue from the John > > Deere > >> >> Plow Co. Omaha, Sioux Falls in mint condition approximately 1911 > > edition. > >> >> Your engine is listed almost identical to the picture you supplied. > > There > >> > is > >> >> also a similar engine in a club near here and also a single cylinder > > one > >> > in > >> >> the area. > >> >> Have fun, > >> >> John Cooper, > >> >> Bega Australia. > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Tim Christoff" > >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 AM > >> >> Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days > >> >> > ago > >> >> > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast > >> >> > brass > >> >> > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. > > Anyone > >> >> > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only > >> > find > >> >> > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single > >> > coil > >> >> > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page > > via > >> >> > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 > >> >> > > >> >> > Tim Christoff > >> >> > Basehor Kansas > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > SEL mailing list > >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > ---- > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> >> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: > >> > 02/08/09 > >> >> 17:57:00 > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > >> > >> > >> > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: > > 02/08/09 > >> 17:57:00 > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1942 - Release Date: 02/09/09 > 17:40:00 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Feb 10 04:57:06 2009 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:57:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Two cylinder New Way In-Reply-To: <20090209.173001.1244.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20090209.173001.1244.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Get a load of that first picture! Looks like time for some spring cleaning. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ==================== > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:30:00 -0800 > From: rdhaskell at juno.com > Subject: [SEL] Two cylinder New Way > > http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/19088/cat/all > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 10 06:40:06 2009 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:40:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Starting a 1953 Lister JP2 in royalty class motorboatVictoria References: <410-22009219211650@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002001c98b8d$782aa4c0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> ohhhh ho ho ho happy joy ! Thanks dude . From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Feb 10 08:16:44 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:16:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine In-Reply-To: <410-22009221001336937@earthlink.net> References: <410-22009221001336937@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Bring that big twin to Portland this year and you will learn the truth! BTW have you tried Raymond Scholl for a manual for the twin. He bought a lot of Ed Grimsey's stuff and may have one. Steve > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:13:36 -0600> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine> > So Mike was not telling the truth when he told me that you gave those to> him? And to think I actually let him take all my New Way Lit that one day> to make copies of it. I did start to worry when I didn't see him again for> 3 days but he did return all the items in the end. I will just have to> really be more careful around him next time. Thank you Steve.> > Tim Christoff> Basehor Kansas> > > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 10 08:31:16 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:31:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine In-Reply-To: <410-22009221001336937@earthlink.net> References: <410-22009221001336937@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Tim, there's also a guy in Western Washington state that goes by NewWayMan on Harry's I believe. I think I met him at Rollag last year but not sure. Congrat's on the great addition!!! Big Time Jealous in the Big Sky and still lookin' for a mixer for my 4.5 hp.....and a manual if anyone has one to spare. RickinMt. From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Feb 10 15:14:15 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:14:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-22009221001336937@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004a01c98bd5$4ac96fa0$66674b47@mikecomp> You must remember when Steve says "unloaded", that is the expression used to describe what he did to my wallet!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > So Mike was not telling the truth when he told me that you gave those to > him? And to think I actually let him take all my New Way Lit that one day > to make copies of it. I did start to worry when I didn't see him again > for > 3 days but he did return all the items in the end. I will just have to > really be more careful around him next time. Thank you Steve. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Steve Royster >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 2/9/2009 5:30:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine >> >> >> He'll help you unload it allright Tim, He unloaded all my New Ways at his > house except one! Beware Beware> From: tchristoff at earthlink.net> To: > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:25:24 -0600> > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine> > If I am able to make Portland > this > August Mike, I will bring it with me. > You can even help me unload it..> > > > Tim Christoff> Basehor Kansas> > > >> > And back to our original post, I > am > still JEALOUS!!!!!> >> > MR> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Windows LiveT: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. >> > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_0220 > 09 >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Feb 10 15:17:00 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:17:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Two cylinder New Way References: <20090209.173001.1244.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <006b01c98bd5$ad520ba0$66674b47@mikecomp> Looks like Steve's backyard, except it's missing a few blue tarps!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: "Engine List" Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Two cylinder New Way Get a load of that first picture! Looks like time for some spring cleaning. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ==================== > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:30:00 -0800 > From: rdhaskell at juno.com > Subject: [SEL] Two cylinder New Way > > http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/19088/cat/all > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Feb 10 17:45:31 2009 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (page at velocitynet.com.au) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:45:31 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT Licence plates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1750.121.45.205.155.1234316731.squirrel@webmail.velocity.net.au> Hi Guys Like Peter I also collect license plates, but in my case, I have all States and Washington DC plus all the territories like Virgin Islands, Trust Territories of the Pacific, etc. However, there is one plate I am after and that is the Florida Challenger plate, the later release, not the first one released in 1990. The Challenger/Columbia wouldn't go astray either. If anyone can help, like Peter, I am after donations first and I will pay postage as required. Regards Ron Canberra From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 10 19:40:59 2009 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:40:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade Message-ID: <002d01c98bfa$8eb85620$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/front/article/564730 From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Feb 11 01:01:58 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:01:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade References: <002d01c98bfa$8eb85620$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: A real tear jerker, that one!!! Nice to see here are still good folk around. In Oz, the people have donated 35+ million for the fire victims. Again, nice folk around. But, How many other countries even sent a sympathy message? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:40 PM Subject: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade > > > > > http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/front/article/564730 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Feb 11 03:19:37 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:19:37 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade References: <002d01c98bfa$8eb85620$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <2A9B956537B8419CB2185027D5B8B4C1@acer8ff47bfe9a> Reg ,I have held back from saying anything like that but now I am begining to wonder .I am pretty sure Obama sent his sympathy but it sure is quite everywhere else! ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade >A real tear jerker, that one!!! > > Nice to see here are still good folk around. > > In Oz, the people have donated 35+ million for the fire victims. > Again, nice folk around. > But, How many other countries even sent a sympathy message? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Balyeat" > To: "SEL" > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:40 PM > Subject: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade > > >> >> >> >> >> http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/front/article/564730 >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Jim at hardmanfamily.net Wed Feb 11 05:35:50 2009 From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:35:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fires in Austalia Message-ID: Reg and Marg, We have been corresponding with folks in Wagga Wagga and have learned more about the fires than we would normally get in news coverage. Yes, there are pictures on TV and the news is reporting updates on the fires and devastation here in the states, but the media tends to be self-centered, leaning towards local news and problems of the homeland. And being in the middle of winter here in Vermont, with a foot of snow on the ground and four foot snow embankments along the driveway, it's hard to imagine the heat and trials that you and your countrymen are enduring. The Lord didn't create us to be self-centered, we are of one family, humanity, that struggles with problems from the moment we are born. A lot of our troubles are of our own making, we do dumb things and then have to pay the price. But a lot of troubles seem to just come upon us... storms, floods, high winds and fires. We don't grow old before we see first hand the pain of living, the sufferings of others. It doubly hurts when it is learned that some of the fires were purposely set by unthinking, imbalanced people. We care. And there's not much anyone can do from a distance except pray... and for those of us who can, contribute to an appropriate relief fund. Our hearts go out to all who are homeless, for all who have lost loved ones. Most Americans feel a deep and enduring affection, indeed love, towards the Australian people. You have been loyal friends and that is embedded in our hearts. The Aussies are a kindred folk, respected and esteemed. Maybe the news media doesn't do justice to either the events or the relationships, but I can tell you first hand that we feel your pain and pray for your relief. We hope that you and your loved ones are safe. No, I confess I don't know the geography, but see the fires in NSW and know that there are a lot of families in danger. My wife, and yes, the entire SE List, join with others in prayer for relief and recovery. Warm Regards, Jim in Vermont, USA From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Feb 11 05:57:54 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 8:57:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fires in Austalia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090211135755.QMKPN.87087.root@cdptpa-web25-z02> Well said. MR ---- Jim Hardman wrote: > > Reg and Marg, > > We have been corresponding with folks in Wagga Wagga and have learned more about the fires than we would normally get in news coverage. Yes, there are pictures on TV and the news is reporting updates on the fires and devastation here in the states, but the media tends to be self-centered, leaning towards local news and problems of the homeland. And being in the middle of winter here in Vermont, with a foot of snow on the ground and four foot snow embankments along the driveway, it's hard to imagine the heat and trials that you and your countrymen are enduring. > > The Lord didn't create us to be self-centered, we are of one family, humanity, that struggles with problems from the moment we are born. A lot of our troubles are of our own making, we do dumb things and then have to pay the price. But a lot of troubles seem to just come upon us... storms, floods, high winds and fires. We don't grow old before we see first hand the pain of living, the sufferings of others. It doubly hurts when it is learned that some of the fires were purposely set by unthinking, imbalanced people. > > We care. And there's not much anyone can do from a distance except pray... and for those of us who can, contribute to an appropriate relief fund. > > Our hearts go out to all who are homeless, for all who have lost loved ones. Most Americans feel a deep and enduring affection, indeed love, towards the Australian people. You have been loyal friends and that is embedded in our hearts. The Aussies are a kindred folk, respected and esteemed. Maybe the news media doesn't do justice to either the events or the relationships, but I can tell you first hand that we feel your pain and pray for your relief. > > We hope that you and your loved ones are safe. No, I confess I don't know the geography, but see the fires in NSW and know that there are a lot of families in danger. > > My wife, and yes, the entire SE List, join with others in prayer for relief and recovery. > > Warm Regards, Jim in Vermont, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Wed Feb 11 13:20:39 2009 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:20:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade In-Reply-To: <2A9B956537B8419CB2185027D5B8B4C1@acer8ff47bfe9a> References: <002d01c98bfa$8eb85620$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <2A9B956537B8419CB2185027D5B8B4C1@acer8ff47bfe9a> Message-ID: <001e01c98c8e$9be39dc0$d3aad940$@net.au> Perhaps you guys missed the Prime Ministers comment to the Parliament the other day, he named something like 20-30 countries that had sent sympathy and many have offered help. The US already have specialists in the field helping the fire fighting effort. Just thought I would make comment, whilst I am 2000kms from the scene I know many people in the area. Some of the flood victims in North QLD are donating their relief money to the fire victims. That brings tears to my eyes. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:20 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade Reg ,I have held back from saying anything like that but now I am begining to wonder .I am pretty sure Obama sent his sympathy but it sure is quite everywhere else! ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade >A real tear jerker, that one!!! > > Nice to see here are still good folk around. > > In Oz, the people have donated 35+ million for the fire victims. > Again, nice folk around. > But, How many other countries even sent a sympathy message? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Balyeat" > To: "SEL" > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:40 PM > Subject: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade > > >> >> >> >> >> http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/front/article/564730 >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ashpow at westnet.com.au Wed Feb 11 17:45:41 2009 From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (Ash Powell) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:45:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Alpha-Numerical Punches - Anyone is Aus. want to loan to me? Message-ID: <4E88675716B44EA091BCCAEEEB5A6BAA@MINIBEAST> Hey all, I have need of a couple of punches and am wondering if anyone is Australia would be willing to loan them to me? A big ask I know considering im a complete stranger but hey, you dont ask you dont...etc ;p) I only need a "2" and "S" and an "O" in 5mm size, im trying to avoid buying a full set just to get those for a one off job. Ill pay all freight obviously (here and back), cash or beer/poison of choice. Cheers, Ash From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Feb 11 21:09:03 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:09:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fires in Austalia References: Message-ID: <3B51B473139E4EC0B61C47CEDAF66B09@REG> Thanks for the well thought out mail Jim. The fires are mainly just north of Melbourne, Victoria.. (Paul Pavlinovich lives close to a danger area.) I live close to Newcastle, North of Sydney New South Wales. We have been spared this time around. Also, although bush (Forest) is all around us, it is not as dense as in the Nat Parks, where most fires are burning. The Nat Parks mob have had a 'Greenie' pushed, NO BURN OFF policy for a long time now. So, with the buildup of 'tree litter' etc. It was a bomb waiting to happen. At this time, the finger is being pointed in all directions and many 'Public Servants' and their departments are going into 'Arse save mode'. All of which will not bring back ONE victim. Thanks for caring. We appreciate it. Reg Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hardman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:35 AM Subject: [SEL] Fires in Austalia > > Reg and Marg, > > We have been corresponding with folks in Wagga Wagga and have learned more > about the fires than we would normally get in news coverage. Yes, there > are pictures on TV and the news is reporting updates on the fires and > devastation here in the states, but the media tends to be self-centered, > leaning towards local news and problems of the homeland. And being in the > middle of winter here in Vermont, with a foot of snow on the ground and > four foot snow embankments along the driveway, it's hard to imagine the > heat and trials that you and your countrymen are enduring. > > The Lord didn't create us to be self-centered, we are of one family, > humanity, that struggles with problems from the moment we are born. A lot > of our troubles are of our own making, we do dumb things and then have to > pay the price. But a lot of troubles seem to just come upon us... storms, > floods, high winds and fires. We don't grow old before we see first hand > the pain of living, the sufferings of others. It doubly hurts when it is > learned that some of the fires were purposely set by unthinking, > imbalanced people. > > We care. And there's not much anyone can do from a distance except > pray... and for those of us who can, contribute to an appropriate relief > fund. > > Our hearts go out to all who are homeless, for all who have lost loved > ones. Most Americans feel a deep and enduring affection, indeed love, > towards the Australian people. You have been loyal friends and that is > embedded in our hearts. The Aussies are a kindred folk, respected and > esteemed. Maybe the news media doesn't do justice to either the events or > the relationships, but I can tell you first hand that we feel your pain > and pray for your relief. > > We hope that you and your loved ones are safe. No, I confess I don't know > the geography, but see the fires in NSW and know that there are a lot of > families in danger. > > My wife, and yes, the entire SE List, join with others in prayer for > relief and recovery. > > Warm Regards, Jim in Vermont, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Wed Feb 11 22:00:27 2009 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:00:27 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Alpha-Numerical Punches - Anyone is Aus. want to loan to me? In-Reply-To: <4E88675716B44EA091BCCAEEEB5A6BAA@MINIBEAST> References: <4E88675716B44EA091BCCAEEEB5A6BAA@MINIBEAST> Message-ID: <4993BAFB.7070700@optusnet.com.au> === Where are you, Ash? Does "Westnet" imply Perth? I have an old but good set of letters and numbers which I assume are Imperial. The square shank measures 5/16", but it is difficult to know just exactly how your 5mm dimension is applied. e.g., in my set, from the top to the bottom of the cutting edge of the letter "O" measures 5mm as compared by eye with a vernier caliper, but the overall height of the impression made in, say, aluminium, is about 5.3mm. Depends how soft is the material and whether you have a calibrated hammer/wrist combination. JW? in W.A. (not WA) === Ash Powell wrote: > Hey all, > > I have need of a couple of punches and am wondering if anyone is Australia would be willing to loan them to me? > A big ask I know considering im a complete stranger but hey, you dont ask you dont...etc ;p) > > I only need a "2" and "S" and an "O" in 5mm size, im trying to avoid buying a full set just to get those for a one off job. > > Ill pay all freight obviously (here and back), cash or beer/poison of choice. > > Cheers, > Ash > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Feb 11 23:08:02 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:08:02 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade References: <002d01c98bfa$8eb85620$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <2A9B956537B8419CB2185027D5B8B4C1@acer8ff47bfe9a> <001e01c98c8e$9be39dc0$d3aad940$@net.au> Message-ID: <1F353A0F13A04639B087E288B9D290B7@your9e74d7efa7> Red Faced again ,sorry missed the messages. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven N Kitto" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade > Perhaps you guys missed the Prime Ministers comment to the Parliament the > other day, he named something like 20-30 countries that had sent sympathy > and many have offered help. The US already have specialists in the field > helping the fire fighting effort. Just thought I would make comment, > whilst > I am 2000kms from the scene I know many people in the area. Some of the > flood victims in North QLD are donating their relief money to the fire > victims. That brings tears to my eyes. > > Steve > > Steve and Denise Kitto > 95 Coleyville Road > Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 > Ph 07 54671541 > > As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. > Proverbs 27:19 > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter > ogborne > Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:20 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade > > Reg ,I have held back from saying anything like that but now I am begining > to wonder .I am pretty sure Obama sent his sympathy but it sure is quite > everywhere else! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R & M Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:01 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade > > >>A real tear jerker, that one!!! >> >> Nice to see here are still good folk around. >> >> In Oz, the people have donated 35+ million for the fire victims. >> Again, nice folk around. >> But, How many other countries even sent a sympathy message? >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Balyeat" >> To: "SEL" >> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:40 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/front/article/564730 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Feb 11 23:22:45 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:22:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Alpha-Numerical Punches - Anyone is Aus. want to loan to me? References: <4E88675716B44EA091BCCAEEEB5A6BAA@MINIBEAST> <4993BAFB.7070700@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: Jack Westnet is WA, but it is national roaming, we have it here in northern NSW Peter === Where are you, Ash? Does "Westnet" imply Perth? I have an old but good set of letters and numbers which I assume are Imperial. The square shank measures 5/16", but it is difficult to know just exactly how your 5mm dimension is applied. e.g., in my set, from the top to the bottom of the cutting edge of the letter "O" measures 5mm as compared by eye with a vernier caliper, but the overall height of the impression made in, say, aluminium, is about 5.3mm. Depends how soft is the material and whether you have a calibrated hammer/wrist combination. JW? in W.A. (not WA) === Ash Powell wrote: > Hey all, > > I have need of a couple of punches and am wondering if anyone is Australia > would be willing to loan them to me? > A big ask I know considering im a complete stranger but hey, you dont ask > you dont...etc ;p) > > I only need a "2" and "S" and an "O" in 5mm size, im trying to avoid > buying a full set just to get those for a one off job. > > Ill pay all freight obviously (here and back), cash or beer/poison of > choice. > > Cheers, > Ash > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Feb 12 01:02:13 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:02:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Alpha-Numerical Punches - Anyone is Aus. want to loan to me? References: <4E88675716B44EA091BCCAEEEB5A6BAA@MINIBEAST> Message-ID: <030212C9A495483A986910059C7C5FE0@peterlowe> Hi Ash By the time you mess around you can buy a set of number and letter for $16 on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com.au/36-Piece-5mm-Letter-and-Number-Punch-Stamp-Set_W0QQitemZ400024308934QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_BnI_Woodworking_Metalworking Peter, Oz > Hey all, > > I have need of a couple of punches and am wondering if anyone is Australia > would be willing to loan them to me? > A big ask I know considering im a complete stranger but hey, you dont ask > you dont...etc ;p) > > I only need a "2" and "S" and an "O" in 5mm size, im trying to avoid > buying a full set just to get those for a one off job. > > Ill pay all freight obviously (here and back), cash or beer/poison of > choice. > > Cheers, > Ash > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Feb 12 01:52:30 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:52:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Re=3A__Alpha-Numerical_Punches_-_Any?= =?iso-8859-1?q?one_is_Aus=2E_want_to_loan_tome=3F?= In-Reply-To: <030212C9A495483A986910059C7C5FE0@peterlowe> References: <4E88675716B44EA091BCCAEEEB5A6BAA@MINIBEAST> <030212C9A495483A986910059C7C5FE0@peterlowe> Message-ID: G'Day Peter Typical Chinese eBay item outlandish postal costs another $30 I bought 5mm letters only set at the Sydney markets for about $15 Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz > Hi Ash > > By the time you mess around you can buy a set of number and letter for $16 > on Ebay > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/36-Piece-5mm-Letter-and-Number-Punch-Stamp-Set_W0QQitemZ400024308934QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_BnI_Woodworking_Metalworking > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Feb 12 02:43:51 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:43:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Lic. Plates quest Message-ID: I am forwarding this to both Lists, Frank, below, is after a workshop manual for a Petter AV-2-M, can someone help please.? Replies to: marinesurveys at msn.com Regards Peter, Oz Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 marinesurveys at msn.com From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Feb 12 03:39:02 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:39:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Alpha-Numerical Punches - Anyone is Aus. want to loan tome? References: <4E88675716B44EA091BCCAEEEB5A6BAA@MINIBEAST><030212C9A495483A986910059C7C5FE0@peterlowe> Message-ID: Yes I know Kerry, but what I was pointing out to Ash is that it is worth investing in some workshop tools and building up a collection rather than posting around the country. I have 1/8 letter and 1/4 number so no good to Ash, otherwise I would post them off for sure. Peter > G'Day Peter > > Typical Chinese eBay item outlandish postal costs another $30 > I bought 5mm letters only set at the Sydney markets for about $15 > > Kerry > Lithgow NSW Oz > > > >> Hi Ash >> >> By the time you mess around you can buy a set of number and letter for >> $16 >> on Ebay >> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/36-Piece-5mm-Letter-and-Number-Punch-Stamp-Set_W0QQitemZ400024308934QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_BnI_Woodworking_Metalworking >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bboyce at swat.coop Thu Feb 12 03:58:54 2009 From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:58:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] bending cast iron Message-ID: <3CEA422CBFA947B19A509B9B670296E1@billPC> i was wondering if anyone has any experience in bending cast iron.... the mag bracket on my 1 1/2 horse waterloo boy has a slight bend where it bolts over the ignitor, causing the mag to lean down just a little and be out of aligment with the trip bracket,,,, looks like the engine may have tipped over at one point and fell against the mag,,,,the bend is ever so slight,,,,,,,,the material is about 1/4 inch thick at the bend, which is on either side of the oval cut out hole for the ignitor,,,,,, any thoughts on straightning it would be appreciated,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 12 05:45:53 2009 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:45:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] bending cast iron References: <3CEA422CBFA947B19A509B9B670296E1@billPC> Message-ID: <003e01c98d18$39b4c6d0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> the bend is ever so slight,,,,,,,,the material is about 1/4 inch thick at the bend, >>>> I would say you were really lucky then . Because you CAN bend cast iron "slightly" But it wont bend much more than that ! From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 12 05:54:56 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:54:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Alpha-Numerical Punches - Anyone is Aus. want to loan to me? In-Reply-To: <4E88675716B44EA091BCCAEEEB5A6BAA@MINIBEAST> References: <4E88675716B44EA091BCCAEEEB5A6BAA@MINIBEAST> Message-ID: <636ffdca90fd9dc7d1904961a4ef2ca7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hell Ash, you're no complete stranger. You've already been sharing your engine restoration projects with us. Trust me mate, for good or ill, you're one of us now. If you lived up top as opposed to down under, my response would be "Send me your snail and the stamps will be "in the mail." I'm certain that one of the fellow Aussies will fix you right up. See ya, Arnie On Wed, February 11, 2009 8:45 pm, Ash Powell wrote: > > I have need of a couple of punches and am wondering if anyone is Australia would be > willing to loan them to me? > A big ask I know considering im a complete stranger but hey, you dont ask you > dont...etc ;p) > > I only need a "2" and "S" and an "O" in 5mm size, im trying to avoid buying a full > set just to get those for a one off job. > > Ill pay all freight obviously (here and back), cash or beer/poison of choice. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Feb 12 06:10:35 2009 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:10:35 +0900 Subject: [SEL] bending cast iron In-Reply-To: <3CEA422CBFA947B19A509B9B670296E1@billPC> References: <3CEA422CBFA947B19A509B9B670296E1@billPC> Message-ID: <00af01c98d1b$ac7e94e0$057bbea0$@net.au> Give it a bit of heat. That will help a bit. Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill boyce Sent: Thursday, 12 February 2009 8:59 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] bending cast iron i was wondering if anyone has any experience in bending cast iron.... the mag bracket on my 1 1/2 horse waterloo boy has a slight bend where it bolts over the ignitor, causing the mag to lean down just a little and be out of aligment with the trip bracket,,,, looks like the engine may have tipped over at one point and fell against the mag,,,,the bend is ever so slight,,,,,,,,the material is about 1/4 inch thick at the bend, which is on either side of the oval cut out hole for the ignitor,,,,,, any thoughts on straightning it would be appreciated,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 12 06:32:23 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:32:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Alpha-Numerical Punches - Anyone is Aus. want to loan to me? In-Reply-To: <030212C9A495483A986910059C7C5FE0@peterlowe> References: <4E88675716B44EA091BCCAEEEB5A6BAA@MINIBEAST> <030212C9A495483A986910059C7C5FE0@peterlowe> Message-ID: <934dfab2c70fc26764a74420e5ed9bfc.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Or you can borrow the punches and "invest" the $16 + shipping in a cold slab of stubbies... Or a couple of gallons of Bundy... 8-)) On Thu, February 12, 2009 4:02 am, Peter Lowe wrote: > > By the time you mess around you can buy a set of number and letter for $16 > on Ebay > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/36-Piece-5mm-Letter-and-Number-Punch-Stamp-Set_W0QQitemZ400024308934QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_BnI_Woodworking_Metalworking -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Feb 12 07:46:22 2009 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:46:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bending cast iron Message-ID: <20090212.105258.1004.0.jlb94> HI Bill, Once, I was bringing my Stover out of the truck on the ramp and didn't think I needed to use the winch. I wasn't strong enough to hold it and it got away. Came down the ramp about 3/4 of the way and off to the left. It rolled over so smoothly on to the driveway. I didn't expect any damage. However, it bent the mag cover and the mag bracket about 1/4 inch. After taking the bracket off, I figured I might be able to bend it back if I heated it with an Oxyacetylene torch. I got it pretty hot - almost to turning red - tried to bend it and - "snap" - it broke. I then clamped it to a piece of steel to keep it straght V'd the break and brazed it back together. I worked it for a while but bought a new bracket from "Hit and Miss" and replaced it. I now keep it on the shelf as a reminder to ALWAYS use the winch. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is nothing nice about snow and ice" On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:58:54 -0600 "bill boyce" writes: > i was wondering if anyone has any experience in bending cast iron.... > the mag bracket on my 1 1/2 horse waterloo boy has a slight bend > where it bolts over the ignitor, causing the mag to lean down just > a little and be out of aligment with the trip bracket,,,, looks like > the engine may have tipped over at one point and fell against the > mag,,,,the bend is ever so slight,,,,,,,,the material is about 1/4 > inch thick at the bend, which is on either side of the oval cut out > hole for the ignitor,,,,,, any thoughts on straightning it would be > appreciated,,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Click to get a cash advance. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1hEPwqJf5dS6KyuMJwleshxFlogmGDIKL1Es50WPPekovNz/ From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 12 08:29:18 2009 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:29:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Alpha-Numerical Punches - Anyone is Aus. want to loan to me? References: <4E88675716B44EA091BCCAEEEB5A6BAA@MINIBEAST> <636ffdca90fd9dc7d1904961a4ef2ca7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <00bf01c98d2f$0e3196c0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Hell Ash, you're no complete stranger. You've already been sharing your > engine > restoration projects with us. Trust me mate, for good or ill, you're one > of us now. > So, are you saying I DIDNT have to get this tattoo ? WTF-O !? From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Thu Feb 12 10:52:13 2009 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:52:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Donations can be made online Message-ID: <721FF1F1554749188838DC938EC9FE8C@LapTop> Any one wanting to donate funds to the AU Red Cross can do so at the site below. https://www.redcross.org.au/Donations/onlineDonations.asp Thanks, Arthur Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com http://oldengine.org/members/southwell From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Feb 12 11:18:11 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:18:11 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Make your donation here In-Reply-To: <3F05802998C54C56AD8477EDC79881D5@LapTop> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090212211246.00bf2b38@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 08:50 PM 12/02/2009, you wrote: >Any one wanting to donate funds to the AU Red Cross can do so at the site >below. > >https://www.redcross.org.au/Donations/onlineDonations.asp > >Thanks, >Arthur Thanks Arthur, I'll be making a donation but before I do that I'd like to ask our Aussie friends if this is the best place make a donation to. Not that I have anything against the Red Cross but are there any other funds set up and in your opinion (that's you Aussie guys) which would be the best one to donate to. Thanks Jerry From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Feb 12 11:51:12 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:51:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Make your donation here References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090212211246.00bf2b38@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <27E9D82C1B4C4B9DA167D80D42341099@peterlowe> Hi Jerry and others YES, only to the Australian Red Cross, you guys are great. Thanks. https://www.redcross.org.au/Donations/onlineDonations.asp Peter, Oz > At 08:50 PM 12/02/2009, you wrote: > >>Any one wanting to donate funds to the AU Red Cross can do so at the site >>below. >> >>https://www.redcross.org.au/Donations/onlineDonations.asp >> >>Thanks, >>Arthur > > Thanks Arthur, > I'll be making a donation but before I do that I'd like to ask our > Aussie friends if this is the best place make a donation to. > > Not that I have anything against the Red Cross but are there any > other funds set up and in your opinion (that's you Aussie guys) which > would be the best one to donate to. > Thanks > Jerry > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From ashpow at westnet.com.au Thu Feb 12 12:23:24 2009 From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (Ash Powell) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:23:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re Re: Alpha-Numerical Punches - Anyone is Aus. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chuck you gave me a good laugh mate...lol! Thanks everyone, I actually found a place to buy individual punches at $8 each. I only needed 2 letters and 1 number so couldnt justify a whole kit. I agree totally Peter about building up a tool collection. I didnt want to get those eBay ones because, well frankly they suck - really poor imprint quality. I love high quality tools. This is one of those thingsI have never used before and will probably never use again so I didnt want to fork out $200+ for a good set. Soo thanks to everyone who replied anyway ;p) If anyone elese is after good gear at a decent price then try http://www.whiteint.com.au/ They dont sell direct to the public but do have lots of dealers, I found one in Tamworth - Blackburn I think theyre called. Cheers Ash From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 12 12:36:53 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:36:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T Restoring Antique Ice Box - help Message-ID: <820ADA59777248B7ACC7500E82DBEE3D@PAUL> Hey gang my neighbor is restoring one of those old antique ice boxes where you put the block of ice in the top and the cold air circulates around the cabinet. The ice box is lined with thin layers of zinc metal. This zinc has an old cream colored looking chalk like substances all over it that she is trying to clean off. She has been sanding it but it is wearing her out. Does anyone know of any product that would work to clean the yellow chalk like substances off of the inside of the zinc liners? She wanted me to sandblast it but this is out of the question. Thanks for the help. Paul From obise at moscow.com Thu Feb 12 12:37:29 2009 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:37:29 -0800 Subject: [SEL] bending cast iron In-Reply-To: <3CEA422CBFA947B19A509B9B670296E1@billPC> Message-ID: <200902122038.n1CKbdGo003248@mail-gw.fsr.net> I've bent cast-iron with success. The pieces were rather thin and appeared to have been bent at the foundry, probably from breaking them out of the molds while still red hot. I heated the parts to bright red hot--almost yellow hot--before trying to bend them. Then, I clamped them straight. I didn't think that hammering them straight was a very good idea. IMHO, cast iron should be taken to yellow hot before attempting to bend it. I'm not expert, just someone who got the job done to my satisfaction. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill boyce Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 3:59 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] bending cast iron i was wondering if anyone has any experience in bending cast iron.... the mag bracket on my 1 1/2 horse waterloo boy has a slight bend where it bolts over the ignitor, causing the mag to lean down just a little and be out of aligment with the trip bracket,,,, looks like the engine may have tipped over at one point and fell against the mag,,,,the bend is ever so slight,,,,,,,,the material is about 1/4 inch thick at the bend, which is on either side of the oval cut out hole for the ignitor,,,,,, any thoughts on straightning it would be appreciated,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Feb 12 13:14:09 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:14:09 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Make your donation here References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090212211246.00bf2b38@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry there are other donation centers but I have made our donation to the Red Cross , yes I know they have admin costs but they all do .The Banks here are taking donations but Baks are bad news at the moment .So my choice was the Red Cross. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: ; ; Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Make your donation here > At 08:50 PM 12/02/2009, you wrote: > >>Any one wanting to donate funds to the AU Red Cross can do so at the site >>below. >> >>https://www.redcross.org.au/Donations/onlineDonations.asp >> >>Thanks, >>Arthur > > Thanks Arthur, > I'll be making a donation but before I do that I'd like to ask our > Aussie friends if this is the best place make a donation to. > > Not that I have anything against the Red Cross but are there any > other funds set up and in your opinion (that's you Aussie guys) which > would > be the best one to donate to. > Thanks > Jerry > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lfevans at pacbell.net Thu Feb 12 14:47:18 2009 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:47:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T Restoring Antique Ice Box - help In-Reply-To: <820ADA59777248B7ACC7500E82DBEE3D@PAUL> References: <820ADA59777248B7ACC7500E82DBEE3D@PAUL> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20090212144309.04bb9ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Paul, The chalk like material might be minerals left from years of melting ice leaving a residue behind. If this is true a product like Lime-Away from the market might be the answer. Just be sure to test it on some bare zinc someplace to make sure that it isn't attacked by the chemical. Regards, Larry At 12:36 PM 2/12/2009, you wrote: >Hey gang my neighbor is restoring one of those old antique ice boxes where >you put the block of ice in the top and the cold air circulates around the >cabinet. The ice box is lined with thin layers of zinc metal. This zinc >has an old cream colored looking chalk like substances all over it that >she is trying to clean off. She has been sanding it but it is wearing her out. > >Does anyone know of any product that would work to clean the yellow chalk >like substances off of the inside of the zinc liners? > >She wanted me to sandblast it but this is out of the question. > >Thanks for the help. > >Paul > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 12 15:12:31 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:12:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T Restoring Antique Ice Box - help References: <820ADA59777248B7ACC7500E82DBEE3D@PAUL> <6.0.1.1.2.20090212144309.04bb9ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1AE87087DFF7465D88B79C46F07CFD82@PAUL> Thanks Larry, I will pass this information on to the neighbor. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T Restoring Antique Ice Box - help > Paul, > > The chalk like material might be minerals left from years of melting ice > leaving a residue behind. If this is true a product like Lime-Away from > the market might be the answer. Just be sure to test it on some bare zinc > someplace to make sure that it isn't attacked by the chemical. > > Regards, > Larry > > At 12:36 PM 2/12/2009, you wrote: >>Hey gang my neighbor is restoring one of those old antique ice boxes where >>you put the block of ice in the top and the cold air circulates around the >>cabinet. The ice box is lined with thin layers of zinc metal. This zinc >>has an old cream colored looking chalk like substances all over it that >>she is trying to clean off. She has been sanding it but it is wearing her >>out. >> >>Does anyone know of any product that would work to clean the yellow chalk >>like substances off of the inside of the zinc liners? >> >>She wanted me to sandblast it but this is out of the question. >> >>Thanks for the help. >> >>Paul >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Larry Evans > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Feb 12 15:28:30 2009 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:28:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T Restoring Antique Ice Box - help References: <820ADA59777248B7ACC7500E82DBEE3D@PAUL> <6.0.1.1.2.20090212144309.04bb9ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B10648B3DE7471491646DBA4E579797@your46e94owx6a> Hi Larry, Glad to see you back on the list again!! Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T Restoring Antique Ice Box - help Paul, The chalk like material might be minerals left from years of melting ice leaving a residue behind. If this is true a product like Lime-Away from the market might be the answer. Just be sure to test it on some bare zinc someplace to make sure that it isn't attacked by the chemical. Regards, Larry At 12:36 PM 2/12/2009, you wrote: >Hey gang my neighbor is restoring one of those old antique >ice boxes where >you put the block of ice in the top and the cold air >circulates around the >cabinet. The ice box is lined with thin layers of zinc >metal. This zinc >has an old cream colored looking chalk like substances all >over it that >she is trying to clean off. She has been sanding it but it >is wearing her out. > >Does anyone know of any product that would work to clean >the yellow chalk >like substances off of the inside of the zinc liners? > >She wanted me to sandblast it but this is out of the >question. > >Thanks for the help. > >Paul > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1950 - Release Date: 02/12/09 18:46:00 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Feb 13 03:15:57 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:15:57 +0000 Subject: [SEL] UK Stationary Engine Forum Message-ID: <6f6025160902130315k6246bcd0he6a9e1a566f00ec0@mail.gmail.com> We recently took over one of the smaller engine forums in the UK, and have now transferred it across to one of our websites. Running the Admin side is not too time-consuming, but it does mean that we will have less time for other activities, so apologies if you don't see much posting from us. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 13 07:02:59 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:02:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Make your donation here Message-ID: At the end of the day it would be interesting to see a summary of donations to the Red Cross in Austrailia in response the the bushfire disaster. Reading the Press Releases on their website it sure looks like a helluva lot of Aussies are stepping up to help their mates and that there's a lot of response from around the world as well. It's nice to see that folks aren't looking at it as "someone else's problem" even when times might be tough economically. I also notice on the Red Cross web site that they will accept any donation over $5.00 AUS. So it's really hard for ANYONE to argue that they just can't afford to make a donation. See ya, Arnie Any one wanting to donate funds to the AU Red Cross can do so at the site below. https://www.redcross.org.au/Donations/onlineDonations.asp Thanks, Arthur On Fri, February 13, 2009 3:19 am, Jerry Evans wrote: > Thanks for all the responses. The Red Cross it is (actually "it was") I've just done it. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Feb 13 08:11:52 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:11:52 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Make your donation here In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090213174804.00be89c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 05:08 PM 13/02/2009, you wrote: >If u find out a better way Jerry ~~Wudju share it w/me ?? Wanna b e SURE >that this money HELPS 'n is NOT stolen nor squandered !! May God be w/ALL >that hurt !!!! Al Boyer Tolland CT USA > > >************** Hi Al, I went with the Red Cross on the suggestion of most of the Aussies. The Red Cross is not going to take any "Admin costs" - everything is going toward helping victims one way or another and they are a reputable organisation. They also send you a nice letter of thanks and a receipt for the "tax man" - obviously automatically generated but that's quite acceptable under the circumstances. Much better than donations to an African Charity - you should just see the salaries, the cars and the homes of the "trustees" of the "Nelson Mandela Childrens Fund". I have a lot of respect for Mr. Mandela himself but the fund is not administered by him. Here is the link for donations to the Aussie Red Cross: Another "plus" is that the whole thing is quite painless (just have your credit card details ready). The site is very fast and extremely easy to use. A feather in their caps! Hopefully it will slow down a bit as soon as all you "Yanks" start logging on to make donations :-) Keep well, Jerry. P.S. Your mail was "off list" I'm copying it back to the lists in spite of the problems I've had today regarding "off list" and "on list" mail. :-) From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Feb 13 09:27:30 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:27:30 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T Restoring Antique Ice Box - help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090213191910.02e4acc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 13/02/2009, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:36:53 -0600 >From: > >Hey gang my neighbor is restoring one of those old antique ice boxes where >you put the block of ice in the top and the cold air circulates around the >cabinet. The ice box is lined with thin layers of zinc metal. This zinc >has an old cream colored looking chalk like substances all over it that >she is trying to clean off. She has been sanding it but it is wearing her out. >Does anyone know of any product that would work to clean the yellow chalk >like substances off of the inside of the zinc liners? >She wanted me to sandblast it but this is out of the question. >Thanks for the help. >Paul Hi Paul, No experience with this but at a guess I'd try washing it with some vinegar (maybe warmed up a bit) or (test carefully first) "Spirits of Salts" Please let us know how she eventually gets it clean. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Feb 13 09:34:35 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:34:35 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 59, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090213193057.02e6ae68@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 13/02/2009, you wrote: >Message: 7 >Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:14:09 +0900 >From: "peter ogborne" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Make your donation here > >Jerry there are other donation centers but I have made our donation to the >Red Cross , yes I know they have admin costs but they all do .The Banks here >are taking donations but Baks are bad news at the moment .So my choice was >the Red Cross. Hi Peter, Thanks for the reply. I'd never trust the banks if yours are anything like our "rip-off" artists. The Red Cross site says that they are accepting these donations and are not taking an admin fee. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 13 10:08:24 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:08:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Make your donation here In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090213174804.00be89c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090213174804.00be89c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <33ac7b110b2f7d4a4ba57fa49a61e0a9.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Jerry, > I went with the Red Cross on the suggestion of most of the > Aussies. The Red Cross is not going to take any "Admin costs" - everything > is going toward helping victims one way or another and they are a > reputable organisation. That was one aspect that I found very attractive. > They also send you a nice letter of thanks and a > receipt for the "tax man" - obviously automatically generated but that's > quite acceptable under the circumstances. How long did that take to receive? > Much better than donations to an African Charity - you should just > see the salaries, the cars and the homes of the "trustees" of the "Nelson > Mandela Childrens Fund". I have a lot of respect for Mr. Mandela himself > but the fund is not administered by him. Here in the States, there was a classic scandal along those lines involving the United Way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Aramony > Here is the link for donations to the Aussie Red Cross: > > Another "plus" is that the whole thing is quite painless (just > have your credit card details ready). The site is very fast and extremely > easy to use. A feather in their caps! > Hopefully it will slow down a bit as soon as all you "Yanks" start logging > on to make donations :-) No worries on that score Jerry. The Yanks are hitting the website while the Aussies are sleeping and vice versa. It just helps to even out the load. See ya, Arnie -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From enginepaul at gmail.com Fri Feb 13 10:11:01 2009 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:11:01 -0800 Subject: [SEL] bending cast iron In-Reply-To: <200902122038.n1CKbdGo003248@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <3CEA422CBFA947B19A509B9B670296E1@billPC> <200902122038.n1CKbdGo003248@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0902131011h44009205hf27ad095026b303d@mail.gmail.com> You can straighten a cast auto camshaft by striking it with a dull, rounded chisel on the concave side of the bend. That's counter intuitive, but it works up to a few thousandths. The strike 'relaxes' the metal and releases tension allowing it to straighten out. I've done it to cams but never tried straightening a bracket or such. Paul in SanFran - for a while From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Feb 13 18:21:25 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:21:25 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Make your donation here References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090213174804.00be89c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <33ac7b110b2f7d4a4ba57fa49a61e0a9.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <5639B273712D4F2DB7404D0E86FDB01B@acer8ff47bfe9a> To you all ,even living a couple of thousand Km from where this tragedy has hapened the response has been so wonderful , business has donated so generously as have individuals .I heard some one on the radio saying that he would donate his late model Holden Rodeo Ute and a trucky responded and said he would transport it over to Victria from West Australia .I am so grateful the way the response has come in from everyone ,we will have these people in our hearts forever. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Make your donation here > Hi Jerry, > >> I went with the Red Cross on the suggestion of most of the >> Aussies. The Red Cross is not going to take any "Admin costs" - >> everything >> is going toward helping victims one way or another and they are a >> reputable organisation. > > That was one aspect that I found very attractive. > >> They also send you a nice letter of thanks and a >> receipt for the "tax man" - obviously automatically generated but that's >> quite acceptable under the circumstances. > > How long did that take to receive? > >> Much better than donations to an African Charity - you should >> just >> see the salaries, the cars and the homes of the "trustees" of the "Nelson >> Mandela Childrens Fund". I have a lot of respect for Mr. Mandela himself >> but the fund is not administered by him. > > Here in the States, there was a classic scandal along those lines > involving the > United Way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Aramony > >> Here is the link for donations to the Aussie Red Cross: >> >> Another "plus" is that the whole thing is quite painless (just >> have your credit card details ready). The site is very fast and extremely >> easy to use. A feather in their caps! >> Hopefully it will slow down a bit as soon as all you "Yanks" start >> logging >> on to make donations :-) > > No worries on that score Jerry. The Yanks are hitting the website while > the Aussies > are sleeping and vice versa. It just helps to even out the load. > > See ya, Arnie > > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From oldengines at bigpond.com Sun Feb 15 01:45:05 2009 From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron Sullivan) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:45:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] bentall dating Message-ID: <001601c98f52$14d58e80$1c02a8c0@ronliz> Hi All I am trying to date my 4hp vertical Bentall which has stock no 128152. It appears to of had one of the self starter impulse arrangements and I am also after some more information and pictures on this, thanks in advance Ron & Liz Sullivan oldengines at bigpond.com From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Feb 16 15:28:28 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:28:28 EST Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: Test-no SEL mail since last Friday Tom **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe > bemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Feb 16 16:06:39 2009 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:06:39 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <6F6434082B8A414198A59CD1DF5074F2@peterlowe> Message-ID: <011701c99093$9c57ecd0$3a290556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Test > Loud and clear here in Oz Tom > > Peter. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1955 - Release Date: 02/16/09 06:55:00 From weolson at wiktel.com Mon Feb 16 16:20:46 2009 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:20:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1056351564.20090216182046@wiktel.com> Hi Germoamer, Monday, February 16, 2009, 5:28:28 PM, you wrote: Gac> Test-no SEL mail since last Friday Gac> Gac> Tom Gac> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Gac> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Also good in the Frozen, Extreme Northern Minnesota, USA Got up to maybe plus 8 F. -- William Olson mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Mon Feb 16 18:37:23 2009 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:37:23 EST Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: Same here....i'm getting withdrawals!! Gotta have my SEL!! Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV The older the violin....the sweeter the music! ************** Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Feb 16 18:57:21 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:57:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <20090216.185722.2116.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Wink. Did the rain make it out your way? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:37:23 EST WinkAndGinger at aol.com writes: > Same here....i'm getting withdrawals!! Gotta have my SEL!! > > Wink & Ginger Thornton, > Yucca Valley Ca., USA > KG6TVW, KG6TVV > The older the violin....the sweeter the music! > ____________________________________________________________ Click now for fast, effective bail bonds! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2QoLkD3BgvlhDLS3ZHzBnnVniBO3LMw3DvSKVEImevI8Lp7/ From andyglines at hotmail.com Tue Feb 17 07:20:34 2009 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:20:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bending cast iron In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill, I would recommend that you leave the bent casting alone. Just shim the mag as needed to make it sit level. If you do decide to straighten the bracket be sure to keep the pieces so that you can use them for a pattern to have a new bracket cast. > 11. bending cast iron (bill boyce)> Message: 11> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:58:54 -0600> From: "bill boyce" > Subject: [SEL] bending cast iron> i was wondering if anyone has any experience in bending cast iron.... the mag bracket on my 1 1/2 horse waterloo boy has a slight bend where it bolts over the ignitor, causing the mag to lean down just a little and be out of aligment with the trip bracket,,,, looks like the engine may have tipped over at one point and fell against the mag,,,,the bend is ever so slight,,,,,,,,the material is about 1/4 inch thick at the bend, which is on either side of the oval cut out hole for the ignitor,,,,,, any thoughts on straightning it would be appreciated,,,> bill boyce _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 From George_Best at adp.com Tue Feb 17 08:20:49 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:20:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I know the SEL messages have been getting fewer and farther between. Not sure why. However, you can try the forums that Spencer set up the end of 2007 and read a few postings there. http://www.atis.net/forums/index.php The forums Spencer set up have a few diehards (including myself) still giving it a chance to attract some posters. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Feb 17 14:03:47 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:03:47 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT: Jeep gas tank Message-ID: <20090217.140348.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I am cross posting this to several lists so you may get it more than once, sorry. My son has a 1950 flat fender jeep. The stock gas tank looked like a screen door so he bought a plastic replacement. The problem is the cap won't go on tight enough to not pour gas out when it leans to the driver side. I am looking for a filler neck that would take the large cap like the original, that I can graft on. What else would have the big opening, as looking for an original wasted tank limits it too much? Yes we threw the original tank away before we realized we needed it. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click to find deals on home theater systems. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2npSlHQCj7nWgC3skZMM5Te3fL1Sc0aIjmk40jvO1j0BOFP/ From rotigel at me.com Tue Feb 17 16:29:23 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:29:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show Message-ID: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> I've been off list for about a month, so if this has been covered-- sorry! I'll be at the ZOLFO Show from start to finish (March 4th to March 8th.) Will anyone else from the SEL be there? Dave From jbcast at charter.net Tue Feb 17 17:22:55 2009 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:22:55 -0800 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> Message-ID: <20090217202255.7MJ9G.917249.root@mp13> ---- David Rotigel wrote: > I've been off list for about a month, so if this has been covered-- > sorry! I'll be at the ZOLFO Show from start to finish (March 4th to > March 8th.) Will anyone else from the SEL be there? > Dave > _______________________________________________ I don't think I'll make it Dave, but it's good to see you're back, was about to send a search party after you. J.B. Castagnos From rob at rustyiron.com Tue Feb 17 18:32:17 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:32:17 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Because messages that require pictures can't be posted here? Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Feb 17, 2009, at 8:20 AM, Best, George wrote: > I know the SEL messages have been getting fewer and farther between. > Not sure why. From rotigel at me.com Tue Feb 17 19:25:51 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:25:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> But keep in mind Rob-- A GREAT man once said "A word is worth a thousand pictures!" Dave On Feb 17, 2009, at 9:32 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > Because messages that require pictures can't be posted here? > > > Rob Skinner > Antique Stationary Engines > La Habra, California > > rob at rustyiron.com > www.rustyiron.com > > > > > On Feb 17, 2009, at 8:20 AM, Best, George wrote: > >> I know the SEL messages have been getting fewer and farther between. >> Not sure why. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Feb 17 19:27:34 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:27:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: I wonder how hard it would be to make the change to allow pictures ? Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Rob Skinner Sent: Tue 2/17/2009 9:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages Because messages that require pictures can't be posted here? Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Feb 17, 2009, at 8:20 AM, Best, George wrote: > I know the SEL messages have been getting fewer and farther between. > Not sure why. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Feb 17 19:41:27 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:41:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Jim's list & Slick allow pics. Thats why I use them If someone does the wrong thing and sends oversize pics, the MEMBERS jump on them. I hate going to these pic sites, like Webshots, and being bombarded with ads . Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kangas, James G." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages I wonder how hard it would be to make the change to allow pictures ? Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Rob Skinner Sent: Tue 2/17/2009 9:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages Because messages that require pictures can't be posted here? Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Feb 17, 2009, at 8:20 AM, Best, George wrote: > I know the SEL messages have been getting fewer and farther between. > Not sure why. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 21:27:23 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:27:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT: Jeep gas tank In-Reply-To: <20090217.140348.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <20090218052725.141604C8CC5@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi Ron, looks like a trip to the local Pick and Pull with the battery operated sawzall. Good luck Jimmy Ps, How about one of those neat Nascar systems? Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:04 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; at at lists.antique-tractor.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] OT: Jeep gas tank Hi all. I am cross posting this to several lists so you may get it more than once, sorry. My son has a 1950 flat fender jeep. The stock gas tank looked like a screen door so he bought a plastic replacement. The problem is the cap won't go on tight enough to not pour gas out when it leans to the driver side. I am looking for a filler neck that would take the large cap like the original, that I can graft on. What else would have the big opening, as looking for an original wasted tank limits it too much? Yes we threw the original tank away before we realized we needed it. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click to find deals on home theater systems. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2npSlHQCj7nWgC3skZMM5Te3fL 1Sc0aIjmk40jvO1j0BOFP/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Feb 17 22:59:04 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:59:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> Message-ID: <6750428E104B43C19774AB3ED5398935@KerryPC> Darling I missed you Kerry > I've been off list for about a month, > Dave From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 01:34:29 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:34:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160902180134m73b6dfb6g2e56a46da42d8e59@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/18 Kangas, James G. : > I wonder how hard it would be to make the change to allow pictures ? > Jim K. Pretty difficult, Jim. The reason that Internet Forums have become so prevalent is that you can get the software and hosting for less than $200, with yearly renewals of about $50. That gives you a very comprehensive package that covers almost all your needs, which is why it is so popular. The email list software is much simpler and is basically a relay mechanism that forwards out all emails that come in from the subscribed members. We run Vbulletin on the UK Engine Forum, it's $180 to buy and gives you free updates for a year. The ATIS forum is based on that, although Spencer hasn't updated to the latest software release. Smokstak is also based on similar software, it looks like Vbulletin but may be one of the others. Forums take a lot of running and admin effort, you have to watch for spam registrations, sort out the flame wars etc etc., but we have a core block of young guys that enjoy their engines, and I do like to encourage the youngsters to get into the hobby. Email lists are almost self-running, not a lot of maintenance is required. There's also an newer setup called ProBoard (www.proboard.com) which is free but they place adverts on the forum pages, which I personally don't like. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 01:36:01 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:36:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160902180136k58d23680y5cf686db1fa20c08@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/18 R & M Ingold : > I hate going to these pic sites, like Webshots, and being bombarded with ads > Reg & Marg Ingold. Yep, agree with that, they are free but the viewer pays the price! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 01:40:39 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:40:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160902180140y2e64d6b5id5a1ed95b8d64b8d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/18 Rob Skinner : > Because messages that require pictures can't be posted here? > Rob Skinner That may well be a contributory factor, Rob, but I think that the plethora of sites on the internet has diluted the input a lot. Back in the late 1990's there weren't that many engine sites of 'any' kind, now you have probably more than you can handle on a daily basis, especially with sites like Harry Matthew's 'Smokstak', which takes a goodly time to go through each day. If you include the marine engine sites etc., I'd guess that there are probably 10-20 internet sites/forums now, and you just cannot spend time on all of them. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 05:06:56 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:06:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] bentall dating In-Reply-To: <001601c98f52$14d58e80$1c02a8c0@ronliz> References: <001601c98f52$14d58e80$1c02a8c0@ronliz> Message-ID: <6f6025160902180506w55f502cbp11c53cb0e9b857f2@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/15 Ron Sullivan : > Hi All > I am trying to date my 4hp vertical Bentall which has stock no 128152. It appears to of had one of the self starter impulse arrangements and I am also after some more information and pictures on this, > thanks in advance > Ron & Liz Sullivan Ron: Robert jackson runs the Helpline in Stationary Engine magazine, he is one of the few sources of info on the engines. I don't take the mag any more, but one of the other Oz guys should be able to help with his postal address. I don't think he is on email, snail only. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Feb 18 05:31:18 2009 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:31:18 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160902180136k58d23680y5cf686db1fa20c08@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006701c991cd$2fb62840$3a290556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages > 2009/2/18 R & M Ingold : >> I hate going to these pic sites, like Webshots, and being bombarded with ads >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Yep, agree with that, they are free but the viewer pays the price! > Peter Hi Peter, The most annoying part of Webshots is that it isn't free to people who put a reasonable amount of work there, It costs about ?21 a year. It is very annoying that the people who we want to see our pictures get stuck with the pushy adverts. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Wed Feb 18 06:11:29 2009 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:11:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160902180136k58d23680y5cf686db1fa20c08@mail.gmail.com> <006701c991cd$2fb62840$3a290556@intrepid> Message-ID: <01a701c991d2$cbf105e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> I have over 6,000 photos on Webshots. But since I have had an account for years I don't see any advertisements when I go to look at my pics. I don't know how pushy their advertisements are. I may be a bit too heavily invested in Webshots to change now, but I find their yearly fee of around 20 Dollars to be quite reasonable. I can upload up to 50,000 photos and they are all available for me to link to any forums, sites etc. that I choose. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages > 2009/2/18 R & M Ingold : >> I hate going to these pic sites, like Webshots, and being bombarded with >> ads >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Yep, agree with that, they are free but the viewer pays the price! > Peter Hi Peter, The most annoying part of Webshots is that it isn't free to people who put a reasonable amount of work there, It costs about ?21 a year. It is very annoying that the people who we want to see our pictures get stuck with the pushy adverts. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Feb 18 06:50:07 2009 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:50:07 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160902180136k58d23680y5cf686db1fa20c08@mail.gmail.com><006701c991cd$2fb62840$3a290556@intrepid> <01a701c991d2$cbf105e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <001201c991d8$32194490$3a290556@intrepid> Hi Rick, I didn't realise the effect of the adverts until people told me that they were not willing to put up with the adverts. Try logging on to my, or your site but not being logged in as a member. The adverts we object to are not the side adverts with the picture visible but the ones that take the full screen with no close button. PS I just tried it and perhaps all the complaints we make are getting somewhere as the adverts didn't appear (for the First Time) Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine Foundation" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages I have over 6,000 photos on Webshots. But since I have had an account for years I don't see any advertisements when I go to look at my pics. I don't know how pushy their advertisements are. I may be a bit too heavily invested in Webshots to change now, but I find their yearly fee of around 20 Dollars to be quite reasonable. I can upload up to 50,000 photos and they are all available for me to link to any forums, sites etc. that I choose. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages > 2009/2/18 R & M Ingold : >> I hate going to these pic sites, like Webshots, and being bombarded with >> ads >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Yep, agree with that, they are free but the viewer pays the price! > Peter Hi Peter, The most annoying part of Webshots is that it isn't free to people who put a reasonable amount of work there, It costs about ?21 a year. It is very annoying that the people who we want to see our pictures get stuck with the pushy adverts. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1957 - Release Date: 02/17/09 07:07:00 From christison at coastalnet.com Wed Feb 18 06:54:19 2009 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:54:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: <01a701c991d2$cbf105e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160902180136k58d23680y5cf686db1fa20c08@mail.gmail.com> <006701c991cd$2fb62840$3a290556@intrepid> <01a701c991d2$cbf105e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <499C211B.3020409@coastalnet.com> I use Flickr which is a nominal $25 per year, http://www.flickr.com/photos/kenskritters/ and don't think it has ads. I might be wrong, but when I am not logged on it doesn't show ads. As far as large attachments go, I use the same program with my syrupmakers and gristmillers lists, and there is an option for allowing attachments and I don't believe there is a size limit, though I haven't upped it because of the folks on dial-up. For those on dial up, the simple way to take care of large files is to use mailwasher to screen all your messages. It they are larger than you have time to wait for, you can just delete them from the server. I do that quite often, usually for anything over 1MB in size. It takes me 5 to 7 minutes per MB. Unlike Rob, my only access to broadband is with satellite, and I don't see spending $70 or $80 bucks monthly for a slower service than my son gets with DSL in town 5 miles away. Take care. Ken From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Wed Feb 18 07:12:50 2009 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:12:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160902180136k58d23680y5cf686db1fa20c08@mail.gmail.com><006701c991cd$2fb62840$3a290556@intrepid><01a701c991d2$cbf105e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <001201c991d8$32194490$3a290556@intrepid> Message-ID: <01c501c991db$5d516310$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> I just tried it and did not get any full screen ads, just the ususal sidebars and Google type ads. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages Hi Rick, I didn't realise the effect of the adverts until people told me that they were not willing to put up with the adverts. Try logging on to my, or your site but not being logged in as a member. The adverts we object to are not the side adverts with the picture visible but the ones that take the full screen with no close button. PS I just tried it and perhaps all the complaints we make are getting somewhere as the adverts didn't appear (for the First Time) Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine Foundation" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages I have over 6,000 photos on Webshots. But since I have had an account for years I don't see any advertisements when I go to look at my pics. I don't know how pushy their advertisements are. I may be a bit too heavily invested in Webshots to change now, but I find their yearly fee of around 20 Dollars to be quite reasonable. I can upload up to 50,000 photos and they are all available for me to link to any forums, sites etc. that I choose. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages > 2009/2/18 R & M Ingold : >> I hate going to these pic sites, like Webshots, and being bombarded with >> ads >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Yep, agree with that, they are free but the viewer pays the price! > Peter Hi Peter, The most annoying part of Webshots is that it isn't free to people who put a reasonable amount of work there, It costs about ?21 a year. It is very annoying that the people who we want to see our pictures get stuck with the pushy adverts. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1957 - Release Date: 02/17/09 07:07:00 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Feb 18 08:24:09 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:24:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> Message-ID: Dave: I'll be there Friday and Saturday with the Hoyt-Clagwell and the Homebrew engine profidin' the crid don't rise and the Lord's a-willin'. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 06:29 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show > > > I've been off list for about a month, so if this > has been covered-- > sorry! I'll be at the ZOLFO Show from start to > finish (March 4th to > March 8th.) Will anyone else from the SEL be there? > Dave From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 07:32:26 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:32:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: <01c501c991db$5d516310$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160902180136k58d23680y5cf686db1fa20c08@mail.gmail.com> <006701c991cd$2fb62840$3a290556@intrepid> <01a701c991d2$cbf105e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <001201c991d8$32194490$3a290556@intrepid> <01c501c991db$5d516310$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <6f6025160902180732g3d2dbcbch57b3304bbe309403@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/18 Tod Engine Foundation : > I just tried it and did not get any full screen ads, just the ususal > sidebars and Google type ads. > > Rick I think it only applies to 'non-account' visitors. Certainly it is one place I don't go to unless absolutely necessary. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From George_Best at adp.com Wed Feb 18 07:33:35 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:33:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F70EA1@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Rob, You can post message that require pictures ;-) www.irontrader.com/graphics/Benz.jpg The problem is you need some place to load the picture so it can be linked to. Some of us have places we can store pictures without forcing people to register or view ads, but I can see where it is a problem for a lot of people. Of course you can also use the ATIS forums ;-) You can post pictures there and not have any ads popping up. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages Because messages that require pictures can't be posted here? Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Feb 18 07:47:12 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:47:12 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> Message-ID: <90C318F7-0498-456B-8BC2-CB78FA03224D@rustyiron.com> On Feb 17, 2009, at 7:25 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > But keep in mind Rob-- A GREAT man once said "A word is worth a > thousand pictures!" > Dave Word, brother! From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Feb 18 07:52:59 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:52:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: <6f6025160902180134m73b6dfb6g2e56a46da42d8e59@mail.gmail.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160902180134m73b6dfb6g2e56a46da42d8e59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 18, 2009, at 1:34 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > 2009/2/18 Kangas, James G. : >> I wonder how hard it would be to make the change to allow pictures ? >> Jim K. > > Pretty difficult, Jim. That's not true, Peter. Spencer runs MailMan. Administration is via a webpage, and all it takes is changing one value in one field, to allow larger messages. It's so easy that it's no wonder that MailMan is one of the more popular mailing list programs. From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 18 08:16:41 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:16:41 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> Message-ID: <73e80d130bea6124d0dd5fe5fb53a4bc@dickerson-design.com> So you put your pics on photobucket, or a web site or file sharing facility and send us a link to it! On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:25:51 -0500, David Rotigel wrote: > But keep in mind Rob-- A GREAT man once said "A word is worth a > thousand pictures!" > Dave > > On Feb 17, 2009, at 9:32 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > >> Because messages that require pictures can't be posted here? >> >> >> Rob Skinner >> Antique Stationary Engines >> La Habra, California >> >> rob at rustyiron.com >> www.rustyiron.com >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 17, 2009, at 8:20 AM, Best, George wrote: >> >>> I know the SEL messages have been getting fewer and farther between. >>> Not sure why. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 18 08:24:41 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:24:41 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: <6f6025160902180134m73b6dfb6g2e56a46da42d8e59@mail.gmail.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160902180134m73b6dfb6g2e56a46da42d8e59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I run http://theamcforum.com <- our intro page, then our forum pages -> http://theamcforum.com/forum It does take time and effort and you need moderators, but we have typically over 200 members visit each day and many times that in guests poking around. We're going to grow with a downloads area for documentation, etc. and already have an area where the historians can post scans of original factory bulletins, etc. It's gone so well that last year Edelbrock asked if they could advertise on our site, but alas, Edelbrock is now laying off and dropped the advertising bit. We have safeguards in place, such as email confirmation for activating accounts before they can post. I still go in and delete several dozen unactivated accounts each month, but spamming has been minimal, and a couple of the mods are quick on the trigger and kill spam as fast as it appears. We also have a 10 regular post minimum before members can post anything for sale. Stops the drive-bys looking for free advertising. Takes a couple hundred a year for hosing as it's ASP and SQL based and we do use over 20gig a month bandwidth. The forum software I got lucky on and got in on a special - one month only, free lifetime upgrades. It includes image and file uploading abilities (want to post a photo, upload it right to the forum) It will also display embedded youtube, etc. I'm looking toward an upgrade in the next few weeks, newer version with even more features. May even add a chat feature. but this all takes time and dedication, and if something goes amiss, you or someone you trust needs to be available! If it ain't up 24/7/365, folks get a bit irritated. Bill On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:34:29 +0000, Listerdiesel wrote: > 2009/2/18 Kangas, James G. : >> I wonder how hard it would be to make the change to allow pictures ? >> Jim K. > > Pretty difficult, Jim. > > The reason that Internet Forums have become so prevalent is that you > can get the software and hosting for less than $200, with yearly > renewals of about $50. That gives you a very comprehensive package > that covers almost all your needs, which is why it is so popular. > > The email list software is much simpler and is basically a relay > mechanism that forwards out all emails that come in from the > subscribed members. > > We run Vbulletin on the UK Engine Forum, it's $180 to buy and gives > you free updates for a year. The ATIS forum is based on that, although > Spencer hasn't updated to the latest software release. > > Smokstak is also based on similar software, it looks like Vbulletin > but may be one of the others. > > Forums take a lot of running and admin effort, you have to watch for > spam registrations, sort out the flame wars etc etc., but we have a > core block of young guys that enjoy their engines, and I do like to > encourage the youngsters to get into the hobby. Email lists are almost > self-running, not a lot of maintenance is required. > > There's also an newer setup called ProBoard (www.proboard.com) which > is free but they place adverts on the forum pages, which I personally > don't like. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 18 08:25:05 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:25:05 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: <6f6025160902180136k58d23680y5cf686db1fa20c08@mail.gmail.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160902180136k58d23680y5cf686db1fa20c08@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Block the ads and pop-ups.......... On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:36:01 +0000, Listerdiesel wrote: > 2009/2/18 R & M Ingold : >> I hate going to these pic sites, like Webshots, and being bombarded with > ads >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > Yep, agree with that, they are free but the viewer pays the price! > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 18 08:34:40 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:34:40 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> Message-ID: The quote as i recall: A thousand pictures can be drawn from one word, only who is the artist, we gotta agree" Great man, I agree......... On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:25:51 -0500, David Rotigel wrote: > But keep in mind Rob-- A GREAT man once said "A word is worth a > thousand pictures!" > Dave > > On Feb 17, 2009, at 9:32 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > >> Because messages that require pictures can't be posted here? >> >> >> Rob Skinner >> Antique Stationary Engines >> La Habra, California >> >> rob at rustyiron.com >> www.rustyiron.com >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 17, 2009, at 8:20 AM, Best, George wrote: >> >>> I know the SEL messages have been getting fewer and farther between. >>> Not sure why. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Wed Feb 18 09:26:28 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:26:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> Message-ID: A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web page so that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site going out of business again and I can do alot more this way. Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and if there are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here is the Website http://gasenginetom.com/index.html I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have loaded a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always be adding to the site so check back often :) Thanks Tom Winland Ohio _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From George_Best at adp.com Wed Feb 18 09:44:55 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:44:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F712F1@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Tom, it looks nice! George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:26 AM To: SEL list Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web page so that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site going out of business again and I can do alot more this way. Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and if there are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here is the Website http://gasenginetom.com/index.html I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have loaded a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always be adding to the site so check back often :) Thanks Tom Winland Ohio _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together-at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Wed Feb 18 09:45:03 2009 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:45:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> Message-ID: <96186EDCB4A54B16B47F7202F473CD59@Waynexp> Tom, Nice site looks like you have put in a lot of thought. I don't see a link to the PORN! WT -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:26 AM To: SEL list Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web page so that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site going out of business again and I can do alot more this way. Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and if there are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here is the Website http://gasenginetom.com/index.html I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have loaded a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always be adding to the site so check back often :) Thanks Tom Winland Ohio _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together-at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kosh at ncweb.com Wed Feb 18 09:46:21 2009 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:46:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090218124352.0468da50@ncweb.com> Very nice site! Excellent photo galleries. Dave Merchant At 12:26 PM 2/18/2009, you wrote: > A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web page > so that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site going out of > business again and I can do alot more this way. > > > >Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and if there >are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here is the Website > > > >http://gasenginetom.com/index.html > > > >I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have >loaded a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always be >adding to the site so check back often :) > > > >Thanks > >Tom Winland > >Ohio > >_________________________________________________________________ >See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. >http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From kosh at ncweb.com Wed Feb 18 10:05:00 2009 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:05:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) In-Reply-To: <96186EDCB4A54B16B47F7202F473CD59@Waynexp> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090218130433.02f6be40@ncweb.com> Sure he did! http://gasenginetom.com/10_HP_Acme.html Dave Merchant At 12:45 PM 2/18/2009, you wrote: >Tom, > >Nice site looks like you have put in a lot of thought. I don't see a link to >the PORN! > >WT > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland >Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:26 AM >To: SEL list >Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) > > > > A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web page so >that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site going out of >business again and I can do alot more this way. > > > >Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and if there >are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here is the Website > > > >http://gasenginetom.com/index.html > > > >I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have loaded >a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always be adding to >the site so check back often :) > > > >Thanks > >Tom Winland > >Ohio > >_________________________________________________________________ >See how Windows Mobile brings your life together-at home, work, or on the >go. >http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Wed Feb 18 10:36:33 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:36:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) In-Reply-To: <96186EDCB4A54B16B47F7202F473CD59@Waynexp> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> <96186EDCB4A54B16B47F7202F473CD59@Waynexp> Message-ID: maybe I'll put a porn link on just for you Wayne :) lol > From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:45:03 -0800 > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Engine Website :) > > Tom, > > Nice site looks like you have put in a lot of thought. I don't see a link to > the PORN! > > WT > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:26 AM > To: SEL list > Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) > > > > A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web page so > that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site going out of > business again and I can do alot more this way. > > > > Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and if there > are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here is the Website > > > > http://gasenginetom.com/index.html > > > > I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have loaded > a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always be adding to > the site so check back often :) > > > > Thanks > > Tom Winland > > Ohio > > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows Mobile brings your life together-at home, work, or on the > go. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From curt at rustyiron.com Wed Feb 18 11:06:05 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:06:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [SEL] OT: Jeep gas tank In-Reply-To: <20090217.140348.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20090217.140348.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <59377.168.215.206.73.1234983965.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Ron, In your neck of the woods is Willys America in Casadera (sp?) They have many old parts and just might have a screen door version of gas tank the neck can be robbed off of. You working on a military version or a domestic wagon? We have been working on this one for a year and a half. Restoration photos are here: and photos from the day we picked it up: Here is the inspiration photo we are working towards: Where you see the white, ours will be a sea foam green. Real nice contrast to the dark metallic green. Have any photos of your project? Curt Holland > Hi all. I am cross posting this to several lists so you may get it more > than once, sorry. > My son has a 1950 flat fender jeep. The stock gas tank looked like a > screen door so he bought a plastic replacement. The problem is the cap > won't go on tight enough to not pour gas out when it leans to the driver > side. I am looking for a filler neck that would take the large cap like > the original, that I can graft on. What else would have the big opening, > as looking for an original wasted tank limits it too much? Yes we threw > the original tank away before we realized we needed it. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to find deals on home theater systems. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2npSlHQCj7nWgC3skZMM5Te3fL1Sc0aIjmk40jvO1j0BOFP/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Feb 18 11:20:09 2009 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:20:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> <96186EDCB4A54B16B47F7202F473CD59@Waynexp> Message-ID: <72C9885A3C4242A7901912DE345FC7DB@Ed> Just an idea if you have the flexibility. How about a Trading Post where if we have some odd parts available, we could add them to a "To Sell List "and if we need something we could add it to a "Parts Needed" list. A percentage of the sale price could go to helping with site expenses. We would need a well thought out format for the lists to facilitate a search function. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Winland" To: "SEL list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Engine Website :) maybe I'll put a porn link on just for you Wayne :) lol > From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:45:03 -0800 > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Engine Website :) > > Tom, > > Nice site looks like you have put in a lot of thought. I don't see a link > to > the PORN! > > WT > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:26 AM > To: SEL list > Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) > > > > A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web page so > that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site going out of > business again and I can do alot more this way. > > > > Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and if there > are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here is the > Website > > > > http://gasenginetom.com/index.html > > > > I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have > loaded > a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always be adding to > the site so check back often :) > > > > Thanks > > Tom Winland > > Ohio > > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows Mobile brings your life together-at home, work, or on the > go. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Wed Feb 18 11:37:27 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:37:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) In-Reply-To: <72C9885A3C4242A7901912DE345FC7DB@Ed> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> <96186EDCB4A54B16B47F7202F473CD59@Waynexp> <72C9885A3C4242A7901912DE345FC7DB@Ed> Message-ID: That's a good idea, I'll have to look into see whether I can get it to let other's post directly to the site or whether you would have to email me and I could post it. Tom > From: edstoller at earthlink.net > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:20:09 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Engine Website :) > > Just an idea if you have the flexibility. How about a Trading Post where if > we have some odd parts available, we could add them to a "To Sell List "and > if we need something we could add it to a "Parts Needed" list. A percentage > of the sale price could go to helping with site expenses. We would need a > well thought out format for the lists to facilitate a search function. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Winland" > To: "SEL list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Engine Website :) > > > > maybe I'll put a porn link on just for you Wayne :) lol > > > From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:45:03 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Engine Website :) > > > > Tom, > > > > Nice site looks like you have put in a lot of thought. I don't see a link > > to > > the PORN! > > > > WT > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland > > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:26 AM > > To: SEL list > > Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) > > > > > > > > A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web page so > > that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site going out of > > business again and I can do alot more this way. > > > > > > > > Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and if there > > are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here is the > > Website > > > > > > > > http://gasenginetom.com/index.html > > > > > > > > I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have > > loaded > > a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always be adding to > > the site so check back often :) > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Tom Winland > > > > Ohio > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > See how Windows Mobile brings your life together-at home, work, or on the > > go. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the > go. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From rotigel at me.com Wed Feb 18 12:17:04 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:17:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) In-Reply-To: <72C9885A3C4242A7901912DE345FC7DB@Ed> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> <96186EDCB4A54B16B47F7202F473CD59@Waynexp> <72C9885A3C4242A7901912DE345FC7DB@Ed> Message-ID: <9B3C9C62-16F6-42A0-8774-CAD7C7DD73F8@me.com> Harry's SMOKESTAK does a nice job of that already. Dave On Feb 18, 2009, at 2:20 PM, Ed stoller wrote: > Just an idea if you have the flexibility. How about a Trading Post > where if > we have some odd parts available, we could add them to a "To Sell > List "and > if we need something we could add it to a "Parts Needed" list. A > percentage > of the sale price could go to helping with site expenses. We would > need a > well thought out format for the lists to facilitate a search function. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Winland" > To: "SEL list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Engine Website :) > > > > maybe I'll put a porn link on just for you Wayne :) lol > >> From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:45:03 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New Engine Website :) >> >> Tom, >> >> Nice site looks like you have put in a lot of thought. I don't see >> a link >> to >> the PORN! >> >> WT >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom >> Winland >> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:26 AM >> To: SEL list >> Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) >> >> >> >> A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web >> page so >> that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site going out of >> business again and I can do alot more this way. >> >> >> >> Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and >> if there >> are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here is the >> Website >> >> >> >> http://gasenginetom.com/index.html >> >> >> >> I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have >> loaded >> a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always be >> adding to >> the site so check back often :) >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Tom Winland >> >> Ohio >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> See how Windows Mobile brings your life together-at home, work, or >> on the >> go. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or > on the > go. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Feb 18 12:26:21 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:26:21 EST Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) Message-ID: Tom, Very nice site. The wooden engine is really neat. How did you come by it, and does it run? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Wed Feb 18 12:53:40 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:53:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I heard about this wooden engine from an old timer in the area that said he remembered an old engine that had a chain driven cam shaft on the farm next to his when he was a kid and it ran a water pump, that story started the chase by locating the farm and then the family that lived there during the time he was a kid and then down thru the family because it kept getting passed down and finally after about a year I finally found it and talked to the owner and it still took a couple more years till I could buy the engine.  I have not tried to start the engine since I've owned it because I'm kinda scared that the wood might be getting to brittle and fly apart.   Only metal parts are cylinder, piston, crankshaft, and valve system.  Even the bearings are wooden.  The hopper is made kinda like Stovepipe Domestic in that is has the tin wrapped around the cylinder and the ends are wooden.  It has hot tube ignition, a skip link chain that drives a cam shaft that operates both intake and exhaust valve.  It has a pendulum governor that actuates the intake valve and opens the valve when it needs fuel to fire.   It's a very interesting engine to sit and study and for now it just sits on the shelf until the day I get the nerve to try and start it up. :) http://gasenginetom.com/Wooden_Engine.html Tom Winland Ohio > From: Germoamer at aol.com > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:26:21 -0500 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Engine Website :) > > Tom, > > Very nice site. The wooden engine is really neat. How did you come by it, > and does it run? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID > %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Feb 18 12:54:08 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:54:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160902180134m73b6dfb6g2e56a46da42d8e59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm familar with VBulletin.It seems like the standard form web forums.I do like the mailing lists as I can read and reply while at work(no web access allowed).Have you considered Yahoo groups? Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Listerdiesel Sent: Wed 2/18/2009 4:34 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages 2009/2/18 Kangas, James G. : > I wonder how hard it would be to make the change to allow pictures ? > Jim K. Pretty difficult, Jim. The reason that Internet Forums have become so prevalent is that you can get the software and hosting for less than $200, with yearly renewals of about $50. That gives you a very comprehensive package that covers almost all your needs, which is why it is so popular. The email list software is much simpler and is basically a relay mechanism that forwards out all emails that come in from the subscribed members. We run Vbulletin on the UK Engine Forum, it's $180 to buy and gives you free updates for a year. The ATIS forum is based on that, although Spencer hasn't updated to the latest software release. Smokstak is also based on similar software, it looks like Vbulletin but may be one of the others. Forums take a lot of running and admin effort, you have to watch for spam registrations, sort out the flame wars etc etc., but we have a core block of young guys that enjoy their engines, and I do like to encourage the youngsters to get into the hobby. Email lists are almost self-running, not a lot of maintenance is required. There's also an newer setup called ProBoard (www.proboard.com) which is free but they place adverts on the forum pages, which I personally don't like. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Feb 18 15:00:26 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:00:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> Message-ID: <1D8C056E-9EC8-4917-82AD-A634EA2CC1F1@rustyiron.com> NICE WORK, Tom! The only problem I see is the broken link in between the Klein and the "For Sale" area :-) Rob On Feb 18, 2009, at 9:26 AM, Tom Winland wrote: > > > A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web > page so that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site > going out of business again and I can do alot more this way. > > > > Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and if > there are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here > is the Website > > > > http://gasenginetom.com/index.html > > > > I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have > loaded a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always > be adding to the site so check back often :) > > > > Thanks > > Tom Winland > > Ohio From bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com Wed Feb 18 15:56:10 2009 From: bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com (Bob Matthews) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:56:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> Message-ID: <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> Dave, Jim and I plan on being there. Bob << Bob Matthews, NW Ohio >> David Rotigel wrote: > I've been off list for about a month, so if this has been covered-- > sorry! I'll be at the ZOLFO Show from start to finish (March 4th to > March 8th.) Will anyone else from the SEL be there? > Dave > _______________________________________________ > -- From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Wed Feb 18 18:35:33 2009 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:35:33 +0900 Subject: [SEL] [SPAM] New Engine Website :) References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> Message-ID: <47F7F1B6DDE94563A0B8406F74615CAF@armstrong> Hello Tom, Your web page is well set up and easy to show your engines, I have my web page with http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/ I use the Microsoft FrontPage program it takes a time to do but it seems to work ok for me. and it free regards Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Winland" To: "SEL list" Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:26 AM Subject: [SPAM] [SEL] New Engine Website :) A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web page so that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site going out of business again and I can do alot more this way. Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and if there are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here is the Website http://gasenginetom.com/index.html I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have loaded a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always be adding to the site so check back often :) Thanks Tom Winland Ohio _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Feb 19 16:50:50 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:50:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New York Message-ID: <224EACF5B1BD439780E03A0722ED8736@REG> Hi all. I have a friend, Phil Dorman, who is going to New York with his wife from Feb 22 to March 13. He wants to know if there are any rural, Machinery, motorbikes, cars shows, displays, museums,etc to visit, within 100 miles of NY. If any of you can offer advice, please contact him off list at phil at wattagan.com Thanks for your help. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Thu Feb 19 17:05:57 2009 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:05:57 EST Subject: [SEL] New York Message-ID: Must be his luck weekend as the last weekend of Feb the Atlantic City NJ car show is in town. Kevin Kusel In a message dated 2/19/2009 8:02:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes: Hi all. I have a friend, Phil Dorman, who is going to New York with his wife from Feb 22 to March 13. He wants to know if there are any rural, Machinery, motorbikes, cars shows, displays, museums,etc to visit, within 100 miles of NY. If any of you can offer advice, please contact him off list at phil at wattagan.com Thanks for your help. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel **************Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) From enginman1 at verizon.net Thu Feb 19 19:15:35 2009 From: enginman1 at verizon.net (Jeff Parks) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:15:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New York References: <224EACF5B1BD439780E03A0722ED8736@REG> Message-ID: <10A98D3E4DF8419783D11DAEF5FADC2F@JREnterprizes1> Hello, Depending on which part of NY they are traveling to there are quite a few stops they could make here in Western NY in the Buffalo area. The Pierce Arrow Museum, Bicycle Museum in Orchard Park and a few nice engine collections to check out. They can contact me directly for more information if interested. Jeff Parks Collector of New York Built Antique Engines New Email : enginman1 at verizon.net > Hi all. > I have a friend, Phil Dorman, who is going to New York with his wife from > Feb 22 to March 13. > He wants to know if there are any rural, Machinery, motorbikes, cars > shows, > displays, museums,etc to visit, within 100 miles of NY. > If any of you can offer advice, please contact him off list at > phil at wattagan.com > Thanks for your help. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > From rotigel at me.com Thu Feb 19 21:41:17 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:41:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New York In-Reply-To: <10A98D3E4DF8419783D11DAEF5FADC2F@JREnterprizes1> References: <224EACF5B1BD439780E03A0722ED8736@REG> <10A98D3E4DF8419783D11DAEF5FADC2F@JREnterprizes1> Message-ID: <646F31A3-6AAA-4572-AF01-57CA8BA654DF@me.com> There are many places in NYC where if you stop at a stop sign they steal all 4 of your tires. At a red light it's a radio AND all 4 tires that they take. Park all afternoon and your car is gone when you return! NYC is a place where one should NEVER go. Dave PS, There are 8,000,000,000 people who live in NYC and 4,000 of them pay 51% of all the taxes. On Feb 19, 2009, at 10:15 PM, Jeff Parks wrote: > Hello, > > Depending on which part of NY they are traveling to there > are quite a few stops they could make here in Western NY > in the Buffalo area. The Pierce Arrow Museum, Bicycle Museum in > Orchard Park and a few nice engine collections to check out. They can > contact me directly for more information if interested. > > > Jeff Parks > Collector of New York Built Antique Engines > New Email : enginman1 at verizon.net > > >> Hi all. >> I have a friend, Phil Dorman, who is going to New York with his >> wife from >> Feb 22 to March 13. >> He wants to know if there are any rural, Machinery, motorbikes, cars >> shows, >> displays, museums,etc to visit, within 100 miles of NY. >> If any of you can offer advice, please contact him off list at >> phil at wattagan.com >> Thanks for your help. >> >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Fri Feb 20 11:05:01 2009 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:05:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New York In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Connecticut Antique Machinery Association is a great place to visit. It is in Kent, CT. which is probably within a 2 hour drive of the city. Their Web site explains their hours, I don't know what goes on this time of year during the day, I've only been their during the fall festival which is always a day well spent. http://www.ctamachinery.com/ Ken ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. CNC Software, Inc. www.mastercam.com ********************************************************************** From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Fri Feb 20 16:20:42 2009 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:20:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Heritage Park E-Newsletter References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160902180134m73b6dfb6g2e56a46da42d8e59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <024401c993ba$3be39320$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> (The following is a shameless plug!) We have begun to publish an E-Newsletter which will contain news about the Tod Engine Heritage Park and our efforts to preserve steel industry heritage in Youngstown. If you would like to be added to the mailing list please sign up at www.todengine.org . Look for the sign up box at the bottom of the page. There is no cost or obligation. Your email address will not be sold and you will not receive any spam. If you don't know what the Tod Engine is, its a 260 ton stationary steam engine that the SEL list saved from destruction in 1996-97. Thanks! Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Foundation "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Fri Feb 20 16:47:36 2009 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:47:36 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Fw: [SPAM] New Engine Website :) Message-ID: <5707A1749A1F4DF2871B7C421582006D@armstrong> Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin armstrong" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] [SPAM] New Engine Website :) Hello Tom, Your web page is well set up and easy to show your engines, I have my web page with http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/ I use the Microsoft FrontPage program it takes a time to do but it seems to work ok for me. and it free regards Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Winland" To: "SEL list" Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:26 AM Subject: [SPAM] [SEL] New Engine Website :) A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web page so that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site going out of business again and I can do alot more this way. Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and if there are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here is the Website http://gasenginetom.com/index.html I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have loaded a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always be adding to the site so check back often :) Thanks Tom Winland Ohio _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Fri Feb 20 17:58:42 2009 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:58:42 +0900 Subject: [SEL] emails test Message-ID: <021F5EA4BB3647BAB30515AB8308A39C@armstrong> just testing Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From james.kangas at timken.com Fri Feb 20 18:05:37 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:05:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] emails test References: <021F5EA4BB3647BAB30515AB8308A39C@armstrong> Message-ID: Made it to the U.S.A. alright Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of kevin armstrong Sent: Fri 2/20/2009 8:58 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] emails test just testing Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. 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The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Fri Feb 20 18:06:48 2009 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:06:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] emails test In-Reply-To: <021F5EA4BB3647BAB30515AB8308A39C@armstrong> References: <021F5EA4BB3647BAB30515AB8308A39C@armstrong> Message-ID: <005301c993c9$0e5d39b0$2b17ad10$@net> Made it half way around the globe :) Lew near Waco, TX USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of kevin armstrong Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 7:59 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] emails test just testing Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Fri Feb 20 22:59:35 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:59:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> Message-ID: <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> I'll be in EX 6--right next to the registration building. Chairs, table and a blue easy-up should all be ready for friends by the time the show starts. There should also be some Pepsi, some Gator Aid and some adult beverage, in the cooler! Dave PS, Also peanuts for anyone who wanders in! On Feb 18, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Bob Matthews wrote: > Dave, > Jim and I plan on being there. > Bob > > > << Bob Matthews, NW Ohio >> > > David Rotigel wrote: >> I've been off list for about a month, so if this has been covered-- >> sorry! I'll be at the ZOLFO Show from start to finish (March 4th to >> March 8th.) Will anyone else from the SEL be there? >> Dave From jdohagan at comcast.net Fri Feb 20 22:56:11 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:56:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks serial numbers Message-ID: <20090221065612.300EB302844@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hello ,I can't find the keeper of the pre 1911 FM ser.#'s. Can you head me in the right direction. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Feb 20 23:51:47 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:51:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com><499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> Message-ID: <37F7573521CF4006AA4049671AD291B8@REG> Nothing I would like better than to be sitting there with you ! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ZOLFO Show > I'll be in EX 6--right next to the registration building. Chairs, > table and a blue easy-up should all be ready for friends by the time > the show starts. There should also be some Pepsi, some Gator Aid and > some adult beverage, in the cooler! > Dave > PS, Also peanuts for anyone who wanders in! > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Bob Matthews wrote: > >> Dave, >> Jim and I plan on being there. >> Bob >> >> >> << Bob Matthews, NW Ohio >> >> >> David Rotigel wrote: >>> I've been off list for about a month, so if this has been covered-- >>> sorry! I'll be at the ZOLFO Show from start to finish (March 4th to >>> March 8th.) Will anyone else from the SEL be there? >>> Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 01:34:35 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:34:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/21 David Rotigel : > I'll be in EX 6--right next to the registration building. Chairs, > table and a blue easy-up should all be ready for friends by the time > the show starts. There should also be some Pepsi, some Gator Aid and > some adult beverage, in the cooler! > Dave > PS, Also peanuts for anyone who wanders in! We'll be there for the 6th and 7th March. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rob at rustyiron.com Sat Feb 21 06:14:33 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 06:14:33 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks serial numbers In-Reply-To: <20090221065612.300EB302844@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20090221065612.300EB302844@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: It's Denis Rouleau. His email and web addresses have changed, but I'm sure you can google him. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Feb 20, 2009, at 10:56 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Hello ,I can't find the keeper of the pre 1911 FM ser.#'s. Can you > head me > in the right direction. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan 415 892 0236 From rotigel at me.com Sat Feb 21 06:55:32 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:55:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <37F7573521CF4006AA4049671AD291B8@REG> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <37F7573521CF4006AA4049671AD291B8@REG> Message-ID: Hi Reg, There is an extra bed at the duplex! When should I plan to pick you up at the Ft. Myers International Airport? Dave On Feb 21, 2009, at 2:51 AM, R & M Ingold wrote: > Nothing I would like better than to be sitting there with you ! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] ZOLFO Show > > >> I'll be in EX 6--right next to the registration building. Chairs, >> table and a blue easy-up should all be ready for friends by the time >> the show starts. There should also be some Pepsi, some Gator Aid and >> some adult beverage, in the cooler! >> Dave >> PS, Also peanuts for anyone who wanders in! >> >> On Feb 18, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Bob Matthews wrote: >> >>> Dave, >>> Jim and I plan on being there. >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> << Bob Matthews, NW Ohio >> >>> >>> David Rotigel wrote: >>>> I've been off list for about a month, so if this has been covered-- >>>> sorry! I'll be at the ZOLFO Show from start to finish (March 4th to >>>> March 8th.) Will anyone else from the SEL be there? >>>> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 21 07:58:56 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:58:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hey there Peter, Will this be your first visit to one of the Florida shows? See ya, Arnie On Sat, February 21, 2009 4:34 am, Listerdiesel wrote: > 2009/2/21 David Rotigel : >> I'll be in EX 6--right next to the registration building. Chairs, >> table and a blue easy-up should all be ready for friends by the time >> the show starts. There should also be some Pepsi, some Gator Aid and >> some adult beverage, in the cooler! >> Dave >> PS, Also peanuts for anyone who wanders in! > > We'll be there for the 6th and 7th March. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 08:27:20 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:27:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com> <294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160902210827k7221b5d4rea0231700d9ae64d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/21 Arnie Fero : > Hey there Peter, > > Will this be your first visit to one of the Florida shows? > > See ya, Arnie Yes, pity we couldn't manage the Flywheelers show as well unfortunately. We'll be going to KSC in the first full day, then down to Zolfo. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 21 08:47:37 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:47:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <6f6025160902210827k7221b5d4rea0231700d9ae64d@mail.gmail.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com> <294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902210827k7221b5d4rea0231700d9ae64d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: KFC ??? Pete, it's FAST food fer gawd's sake. You don't need a whole day. 10 minutes max. Five more maybe for the Alka-Seltzer. On Sat, February 21, 2009 11:27 am, Listerdiesel wrote: > Yes, pity we couldn't manage the Flywheelers show as well unfortunately. > We'll be going to KFC in the first full day, then down to Zolfo. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From lfevans at pacbell.net Sat Feb 21 09:25:06 2009 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:25:06 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks serial numbers In-Reply-To: <20090221065612.300EB302844@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20090221065612.300EB302844@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20090221092354.0421cec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Jim, Try: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/fairbanks/page110.html for the pre 1911 Fairbanks Morse serial numbers. Regards, Larry Evans At 10:56 PM 2/20/2009, you wrote: >Hello ,I can't find the keeper of the pre 1911 FM ser.#'s. Can you head me >in the right direction. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan 415 892 0236 > > > >Jim O'Hagan > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 10:04:04 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:04:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com> <294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902210827k7221b5d4rea0231700d9ae64d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160902211004q5bbad30ct6674e2cb1974d960@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/21 Arnie Fero : > KFC ??? Pete, it's FAST food fer gawd's sake. You don't need a whole day. > 10 minutes max. Five more maybe for the Alka-Seltzer. > > On Sat, February 21, 2009 11:27 am, Listerdiesel wrote: >> Yes, pity we couldn't manage the Flywheelers show as well unfortunately. >> We'll be going to KFC in the first full day, then down to Zolfo. I KNEW you'd do that! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Feb 21 12:14:21 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:14:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com><499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com><7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com><37F7573521CF4006AA4049671AD291B8@REG> Message-ID: <28F4CCE1DD924F188F19417CD9ADA8DB@REG> You know I need to be there! I know I need to be there! The wallet REFUSES to listen!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] ZOLFO Show > Hi Reg, There is an extra bed at the duplex! When should I plan to > pick you up at the Ft. Myers International Airport? > Dave > > On Feb 21, 2009, at 2:51 AM, R & M Ingold wrote: > >> Nothing I would like better than to be sitting there with you ! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Rotigel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 5:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] ZOLFO Show >> >> >>> I'll be in EX 6--right next to the registration building. Chairs, >>> table and a blue easy-up should all be ready for friends by the time >>> the show starts. There should also be some Pepsi, some Gator Aid and >>> some adult beverage, in the cooler! >>> Dave >>> PS, Also peanuts for anyone who wanders in! >>> >>> On Feb 18, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Bob Matthews wrote: >>> >>>> Dave, >>>> Jim and I plan on being there. >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> << Bob Matthews, NW Ohio >> >>>> >>>> David Rotigel wrote: >>>>> I've been off list for about a month, so if this has been covered-- >>>>> sorry! I'll be at the ZOLFO Show from start to finish (March 4th to >>>>> March 8th.) Will anyone else from the SEL be there? >>>>> Dave >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 21 12:27:52 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:27:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <6f6025160902211004q5bbad30ct6674e2cb1974d960@mail.gmail.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com> <294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902210827k7221b5d4rea0231700d9ae64d@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160902211004q5bbad30ct6674e2cb1974d960@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8b360cb70219573d3584ab06d495f415.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> At least at Zolfo Springs the KFC is an adventure. I got the same order four nights in a row. I was never charged the same price twice. 8-)) On Sat, February 21, 2009 1:04 pm, Listerdiesel wrote: > 2009/2/21 Arnie Fero : >> KFC ??? Pete, it's FAST food fer gawd's sake. You don't need a whole day. >> 10 minutes max. Five more maybe for the Alka-Seltzer. >> > I KNEW you'd do that! :-)) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 21 12:37:45 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:37:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <28F4CCE1DD924F188F19417CD9ADA8DB@REG> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com><499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com><7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com><37F7573521CF4006AA4049671AD291B8@REG> <28F4CCE1DD924F188F19417CD9ADA8DB@REG> Message-ID: <12f13f5a9e6ea6a0ae195b0bea5fce6c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Jeeze Reg, you should have a gold frequent flyer account by now. Use yer miles. See ya, Arnie On Sat, February 21, 2009 3:14 pm, R & M Ingold wrote: > You know I need to be there! > I know I need to be there! > The wallet REFUSES to listen!!! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From rotigel at me.com Sat Feb 21 14:10:44 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:10:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <28F4CCE1DD924F188F19417CD9ADA8DB@REG> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <37F7573521CF4006AA4049671AD291B8@REG> <28F4CCE1DD924F188F19417CD9ADA8DB@REG> Message-ID: <085ECA55-EE40-4642-8027-7566EA7A31DA@me.com> As Arnie and Peter have pointed out there is a GREAT KFC place real close. ZOLFO is one GREAT show. Be there, or be NOWHERE! Dave On Feb 21, 2009, at 3:14 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: > You know I need to be there! > I know I need to be there! > The wallet REFUSES to listen!!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] ZOLFO Show > > >> Hi Reg, There is an extra bed at the duplex! When should I plan to >> pick you up at the Ft. Myers International Airport? >> Dave >> >> On Feb 21, 2009, at 2:51 AM, R & M Ingold wrote: >> >>> Nothing I would like better than to be sitting there with you ! >>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "David Rotigel" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> engine.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 5:59 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] ZOLFO Show >>> >>> >>>> I'll be in EX 6--right next to the registration building. Chairs, >>>> table and a blue easy-up should all be ready for friends by the >>>> time >>>> the show starts. There should also be some Pepsi, some Gator Aid >>>> and >>>> some adult beverage, in the cooler! >>>> Dave >>>> PS, Also peanuts for anyone who wanders in! >>>> >>>> On Feb 18, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Bob Matthews wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dave, >>>>> Jim and I plan on being there. >>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> << Bob Matthews, NW Ohio >> >>>>> >>>>> David Rotigel wrote: >>>>>> I've been off list for about a month, so if this has been >>>>>> covered-- >>>>>> sorry! I'll be at the ZOLFO Show from start to finish (March >>>>>> 4th to >>>>>> March 8th.) Will anyone else from the SEL be there? >>>>>> Dave >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Feb 21 14:07:12 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:07:12 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks serial numbers In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20090221092354.0421cec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090221220718.51336444869@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Thanks guys for the help on the FM.#'s Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Evans Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:25 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks serial numbers Jim, Try: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/fairbanks/page110.html for the pre 1911 Fairbanks Morse serial numbers. Regards, Larry Evans At 10:56 PM 2/20/2009, you wrote: >Hello ,I can't find the keeper of the pre 1911 FM ser.#'s. Can you head me >in the right direction. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan 415 892 0236 > > > >Jim O'Hagan > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 14:08:15 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:08:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <28F4CCE1DD924F188F19417CD9ADA8DB@REG> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <37F7573521CF4006AA4049671AD291B8@REG> <28F4CCE1DD924F188F19417CD9ADA8DB@REG> Message-ID: <6f6025160902211408sd68ff19xd1bcf542e44b9e68@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/21 R & M Ingold : > You know I need to be there! > I know I need to be there! > The wallet REFUSES to listen!!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. There's still time to hop on the plane and come over.... Ignore your head, follow your heart! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 14:11:06 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:11:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <8b360cb70219573d3584ab06d495f415.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com> <294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902210827k7221b5d4rea0231700d9ae64d@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160902211004q5bbad30ct6674e2cb1974d960@mail.gmail.com> <8b360cb70219573d3584ab06d495f415.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160902211411u1f484f12vd5dac2d0de8871@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/21 Arnie Fero : > At least at Zolfo Springs the KFC is an adventure. I got the same order four nights > in a row. I was never charged the same price twice. 8-)) > Well, I hope the Kennedy Space Center has a restuarant, we're going to be there best part of the day and it's a lot of walking! Are you coming to Nuenen this year? How about bringing Dave with you? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 21 21:36:22 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 00:36:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <6f6025160902211411u1f484f12vd5dac2d0de8871@mail.gmail.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com> <294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902210827k7221b5d4rea0231700d9ae64d@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160902211004q5bbad30ct6674e2cb1974d960@mail.gmail.com> <8b360cb70219573d3584ab06d495f415.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902211411u1f484f12vd5dac2d0de8871@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Better get a move on; the next launch is Tuesday! Yep, I'll be at Neunen. I'm visiting Jim & Dolly for a week then hooking up with the Hell On Wheels Tour of engine collections in Europe. That takes us to Neunen. I'll see ya there!! Arnie On Sat, February 21, 2009 5:11 pm, Listerdiesel wrote: > > Well, I hope the Kennedy Space Center has a restuarant, we're going to > be there best part of the day and it's a lot of walking! > > Are you coming to Nuenen this year? How about bringing Dave with you? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 22 00:11:52 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:11:52 +0000 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com> <294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902210827k7221b5d4rea0231700d9ae64d@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160902211004q5bbad30ct6674e2cb1974d960@mail.gmail.com> <8b360cb70219573d3584ab06d495f415.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902211411u1f484f12vd5dac2d0de8871@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160902220011l32c7ca49x375ecd60794a695f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/22 Arnie Fero : > Better get a move on; the next launch is Tuesday! > > Yep, I'll be at Neunen. I'm visiting Jim & Dolly for a week then hooking up with > the Hell On Wheels Tour of engine collections in Europe. That takes us to Neunen. > I'll see ya there!! > > Arnie We should have the Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR with us this year. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Feb 22 03:54:12 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:54:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com><7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com><6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com><294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><6f6025160902210827k7221b5d4rea0231700d9ae64d@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160902211004q5bbad30ct6674e2cb1974d960@mail.gmail.com><8b360cb70219573d3584ab06d495f415.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><6f6025160902211411u1f484f12vd5dac2d0de8871@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160902220011l32c7ca49x375ecd60794a695f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ZOLFO Show > 2009/2/22 Arnie Fero : >> Better get a move on; the next launch is Tuesday! >> >> Yep, I'll be at Neunen. I'm visiting Jim & Dolly for a week then hooking >> up with >> the Hell On Wheels Tour of engine collections in Europe. That takes us >> to Neunen. >> I'll see ya there!! >> >> Arnie > > We should have the Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR with us this year. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Feb 22 11:07:37 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:07:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <6f6025160902220011l32c7ca49x375ecd60794a695f@mail.gmail.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com> <294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902210827k7221b5d4rea0231700d9ae64d@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160902211004q5bbad30ct6674e2cb1974d960@mail.gmail.com> <8b360cb70219573d3584ab06d495f415.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902211411u1f484f12vd5dac2d0de8871@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160902220011l32c7ca49x375ecd60794a695f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e6d69dc5bf922ff1e99c1e25522743a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> EXCELLENT!! I don't think I've seen it running since it was finished. I trust that you'll bring all of the accouterments as well? See ya, Arnie On Sun, February 22, 2009 3:11 am, Listerdiesel wrote: >> >> Yep, I'll be at Neunen. I'm visiting Jim & Dolly for a week then hooking up with >> the Hell On Wheels Tour of engine collections in Europe. That takes us to Neunen. >> I'll see ya there!! >> Arnie > > We should have the Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR with us this year. > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Feb 22 11:19:21 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:19:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Re: Sad News] Message-ID: <88f3e9eee8c3cdf924e8f07c816fdedf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Folks, Many of you know Nels Johnsrud from back in the day when he was active on the SEL. You probably remember his Hercules can crusher which was always a crowd pleaser and his passion for David Bradleys. He lost his daugher Tara on Friday and asked me to pass this on to the lists. See ya, Arnie --------------------------------- Original Message --------------------------------- Subject: Re: Sad News From: "Nelson Johnsrud" Date: Sun, February 22, 2009 8:24 am To: "Arnie Fero" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Arnie, How wonderful to hear from you again, although I wish the circumstances were better. I have also received notes from Dave, Rob & Kelly, Reg, and others. I had tried a few months ago to re-subscribe to the engine list, but was unsuccessful. I don't know what the reason is, and I am not up to figuring it out right now. Will you please forward this to the engine group for me? Dear friends -- First, the short version of what happened: May daughter, Tara, whom several of you have met when she was younger, developed a digestive disorder recently. The diagnosis was Crohn's disease, although there was one specialist who was not in complete agreement. She developed two large infected abscesses in her abdomen which needed to be drained. This was thought to be a relatively low risk procedure, done with a large needle and vacuum, much like liposuction. After the procedure, she developed abdominal bleeding, and she had to be taken back to the OR for emergency surgery. She was already weakened by the steroids and drugs she was taking. Combine that with the fact that she had been in a generally weakened state due to her inability to absorb nutrition because of the antibiotics required to treat her lower GI infection. Anyway, after the second surgery her blood pressure dropped and heart rate went up and she went into pulmonary edema. Her heart failed, and so did all efforts to resuscitate her. She just did not have the strength to fight back. She passed on about 8pm on Friday evening. She was 23 years old, and the pride of my life. She just got married last July. She took her proud father's arm and we walked up the aisle together as I gave her away. Now only 7 months later, she will be carried by 6 of her friends back down that very same aisle in a blue and silver box. This is the most painful thing our family has ever had to endure. Thank you all for your thoughts and prayers. It is good to know that though we have not been in close contact for awhile, friends are still friends. Many engine list members have contracted me with their well wishes, and I don't have the concentration level right now to answer all of them individually. All of you please know that I have read your kind notes and taken them to heart. Jane and I pass along our heartfelt thanks for you support. Nels (Manitowoc, Wisconsin) Arnie Fero wrote: > Nels, > > I just heard the sad news about Tara. You have my deepest sympathies my friend. > I can't begin to imagine how it feels to lose a child. > > You and your family will be in my thoughts during this incredibly difficult time. > > Take care. > > Arnie > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 22 11:24:01 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:24:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <5e6d69dc5bf922ff1e99c1e25522743a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902210827k7221b5d4rea0231700d9ae64d@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160902211004q5bbad30ct6674e2cb1974d960@mail.gmail.com> <8b360cb70219573d3584ab06d495f415.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902211411u1f484f12vd5dac2d0de8871@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160902220011l32c7ca49x375ecd60794a695f@mail.gmail.com> <5e6d69dc5bf922ff1e99c1e25522743a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160902221124m6cc7e513v9e1ba5c4fa6a8ae@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/22 Arnie Fero : > EXCELLENT!! I don't think I've seen it running since it was finished. > I trust that you'll bring all of the accouterments as well? > > See ya, Arnie It will have the Dobbie McInnes indicator and drive mechanism as originally fitted, but it won't have the friction brake as that was replaced by the second flywheel. The electric dynamometer will be sorted out in the next year, but not in time for Nuenen. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 22 11:40:28 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:40:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Re: Sad News] References: <88f3e9eee8c3cdf924e8f07c816fdedf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <30FA9EAE3AE64500A8ABECD0BCF15779@PAUL> Thanks Arnie for letting us know, I will forward my condolences to Nelson. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: ; Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:19 PM Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Re: Sad News] > Folks, > > Many of you know Nels Johnsrud from back in the day when he was active on > the SEL. > You probably remember his Hercules can crusher which was always a crowd > pleaser and > his passion for David Bradleys. > > He lost his daugher Tara on Friday and asked me to pass this on to the > lists. > > See ya, Arnie > > --------------------------------- Original > Message --------------------------------- > Subject: Re: Sad News > From: "Nelson Johnsrud" > Date: Sun, February 22, 2009 8:24 am > To: "Arnie Fero" > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Arnie, > > How wonderful to hear from you again, although I wish the circumstances > were better. I have also received notes from Dave, Rob & Kelly, Reg, > and others. I had tried a few months ago to re-subscribe to the engine > list, but was unsuccessful. I don't know what the reason is, and I am > not up to figuring it out right now. Will you please forward this to > the engine group for me? > > Dear friends -- > First, the short version of what happened: > May daughter, Tara, whom several of you have met when she was younger, > developed a digestive disorder recently. The diagnosis was Crohn's > disease, although there was one specialist who was not in complete > agreement. She developed two large infected abscesses in her abdomen > which needed to be drained. This was thought to be a relatively low > risk procedure, done with a large needle and vacuum, much like > liposuction. After the procedure, she developed abdominal bleeding, and > she had to be taken back to the OR for emergency surgery. She was > already weakened by the steroids and drugs she was taking. Combine that > with the fact that she had been in a generally weakened state due to her > inability to absorb nutrition because of the antibiotics required to > treat her lower GI infection. Anyway, after the second surgery her > blood pressure dropped and heart rate went up and she went into > pulmonary edema. Her heart failed, and so did all efforts to > resuscitate her. She just did not have the strength to fight back. She > passed on about 8pm on Friday evening. She was 23 years old, and the > pride of my life. She just got married last July. She took her proud > father's arm and we walked up the aisle together as I gave her away. > Now only 7 months later, she will be carried by 6 of her friends back > down that very same aisle in a blue and silver box. This is the most > painful thing our family has ever had to endure. > > Thank you all for your thoughts and prayers. It is good to know that > though we have not been in close contact for awhile, friends are still > friends. Many engine list members have contracted me with their well > wishes, and I don't have the concentration level right now to answer all > of them individually. All of you please know that I have read your kind > notes and taken them to heart. Jane and I pass along our heartfelt > thanks for you support. > > Nels > (Manitowoc, Wisconsin) > > > Arnie Fero wrote: >> Nels, >> >> I just heard the sad news about Tara. You have my deepest sympathies my >> friend. >> I can't begin to imagine how it feels to lose a child. >> >> You and your family will be in my thoughts during this incredibly >> difficult time. >> >> Take care. >> >> Arnie >> > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Feb 22 17:12:20 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:12:20 EST Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Re: Sad News] Message-ID: >From experience, my heart goes out to Nels and his family. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From oldengines at bigpond.com Sun Feb 22 22:59:24 2009 From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron Sullivan) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:59:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] bentall dating References: <001601c98f52$14d58e80$1c02a8c0@ronliz> <6f6025160902180506w55f502cbp11c53cb0e9b857f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003201c99584$42d29b10$1c02a8c0@ronliz> Hi Peter thankyou for letting me know that, Ron & Liz Sullivan oldengines at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] bentall dating > 2009/2/15 Ron Sullivan : >> Hi All >> I am trying to date my 4hp vertical Bentall which has stock no 128152. >> It appears to of had one of the self starter impulse arrangements and I >> am also after some more information and pictures on this, >> thanks in advance >> Ron & Liz Sullivan > > Ron: > > Robert jackson runs the Helpline in Stationary Engine magazine, he is > one of the few sources of info on the engines. I don't take the mag > any more, but one of the other Oz guys should be able to help with his > postal address. I don't think he is on email, snail only. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Mon Feb 23 00:51:46 2009 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:51:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show Message-ID: <666335.80075.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 2 old codgers, one full set of teeth... Graham >> >>> Nothing I would like better than to be sitting there with you ! >>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Mon Feb 23 00:51:59 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:51:59 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] aus fires are off again Message-ID: <51115.203.12.35.157.1235379119.squirrel@boiler> Greetings everyone. The biggest of the fires from two weeks ago are still burning but are a considerable distance from us. Today they are again threatening communities. This afternoon a new one started which is burning in the outer suburbs of Melbourne from Upwey and Lysterfield through Belgrave towards Selby. The astute who glance at google maps will notice that Emerald is in that direction. We've done more cleanup and deployed our internal hose and external hoses. Mops are in steel buckets. Everyone is waiting on the wind to see what happens. This one has horrid potential because the area we live in may look like bush but is actually medium density housing. So far the reputable emegency radio broadcaster has confirmed one house and two fire trucks have been lost in the Belgrave Heights area. Earlier a colleague from work called and asked me to go and pick up his mother who was much closer to the fire than us. I did that and she is since safely down the hill to Berwick with her son. While it has been a warm dry day there has been no lightening or anything else so this is again likely to be deliberately lit. There has been recent discussion around classing arsonists as terrorists. I'm all for it. Wish us and our neighbours luck overnight folks. Regards Paul From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Feb 23 03:19:53 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:19:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Pettter AV2-AVA2 information Message-ID: <526D84D212394B1D9A314BD783B7369D@peterlowe> Hi all Can someone tell me the difference between a Petter AV2 & AVA2 engine is please ???? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Mon Feb 23 03:34:51 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:34:51 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Pettter AV2-AVA2 information In-Reply-To: <526D84D212394B1D9A314BD783B7369D@peterlowe> References: <526D84D212394B1D9A314BD783B7369D@peterlowe> Message-ID: <53504.203.12.35.157.1235388891.squirrel@boiler> AVA is (A)ir cooled - AV is water cooled. Paul > Hi all > Can someone tell me the difference between a Petter AV2 & AVA2 engine is > please ???? > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm From andyglines at hotmail.com Mon Feb 23 05:54:32 2009 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:54:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw Message-ID: I know that several of you have saw rigs so I'm comming to you for help with mine. I tried using it last fall to saw some firewood for the steam engine with little success. The teeth look to be in good shape but there seems to little or no set to them. How much set should the saw teeth have? How to I set them properly? _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail??more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_022009 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 07:21:30 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:21:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Things You Find In A Scrapyard Message-ID: <6f6025160902230721q74f342feo403ecc68a8c7f97f@mail.gmail.com> Went looking for some largish cast iron wheels today for the Ruston trolley. Something 15" - 18" diameter and 3" - 4" face would be nice, but you take what you can find. The owner and son were there in the office, and the Father took me outside and showed me where to look, but he didn't think there'd me much of interest in the two piles of scrap. After a bit of rooting around, a cast iron rubber-tyred wheel and hub and part of a support bracket came to light, then another and then a 3rd. Ideal size, albeit a bit heavy, but having the hub/bearings was a bonus. A further search turned up a similar wheel, which was attached to an axle, which was attached to a bl**dy great steel frame, and another wheel and finally another axle. Looks like a big engine trolley. It has a swivelling axle and is all complete. Walking round a bit more, I came across the fourth wheel from the first set I had found, so my cup runneth over! The 4 loose wheels are 17" diameter X 4" face, with tyres bonded on to take the OD to 20". After a bit of inspection, "FM CO 44" is found cast into the spokes, and the 'Firestone' logo and a date code "28 44" bonded into the rubber. We now know that these are almost certainly from a Universal Carrier, made by Ford Motor Co in Windsor, Ontario during WWII. That was what was called here a Bren Gun Carrier. Pictures are: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/Wheels4.jpg http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/Wheels5.jpg I will probably strip the rubber off and use them as plain cast iron wheels, but we have a local company in St Ives that do traction engine tyres, so I have asked them how much to put new rubbers on. We have to go back for the trolley as that was buried under a few tons of scrap machinery, but that looks to be a different wheel as far as we can see. I'll do some pictures when we get it back home. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From George_Best at adp.com Mon Feb 23 07:58:27 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:58:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A002F3E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> With a hammer ;-) My father had a factory made fixture for setting the teeth on buzz saw blades. Next time I go visit my mother I'll have to dig it out and take a few pictures of it. To use it you take the saw blade off the saw and place the fixture on the shop floor (or you could use a work table). You position a saw tooth over the striking spot and hit the saw tooth with a hammer. You then turn the blade to skip a tooth and do every other tooth. After the one side is done, you flip the blade over and do the other teeth. I have a 30" buzz saw at home and we set the teeth on it several years ago using that fixture. Worked great. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Andy Glines Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:55 AM To: stationary engine Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw I know that several of you have saw rigs so I'm comming to you for help with mine. I tried using it last fall to saw some firewood for the steam engine with little success. The teeth look to be in good shape but there seems to little or no set to them. How much set should the saw teeth have? How to I set them properly? _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live(tm) Hotmail(r)...more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_ howitworks_022009 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Feb 23 08:41:00 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:41:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Things You Find In A Scrapyard In-Reply-To: <6f6025160902230721q74f342feo403ecc68a8c7f97f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160902230721q74f342feo403ecc68a8c7f97f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think it's really neat that the owner let you rummage around in the tip. That's increasingly rare. You need to drop off a nice bottle of scotch and make sure that he knows wot sort of "olde iron" you fancy. Maybe leave a couple of photos and say "Anything that looks remotely like this; give me a call." See ya, Arnie On Mon, February 23, 2009 10:21 am, Listerdiesel wrote: > The owner and son were there in the office, and the Father took me > outside and showed me where to look, but he didn't think there'd me > much of interest in the two piles of scrap. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Feb 23 10:42:00 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:42:00 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Help!! I need a Briggs coil. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090223200833.017614c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, I know that there are other "small engine" places but you guys have always come through. I am desperately looking (have been for about 2 years) for one or two ignition coils from an older twin cylinder Briggs & Stratton. There are none in South Africa. New or second hand (as long as it's good) will be fine. It must be the type used for points ignition - NOT electronic ignition). I think that the original Briggs part number is 394988 but am not too sure if this is correct or if any Briggs twin coil (for points NOT electronic) will do the trick. I've tried John Smith a number of times without success as well as someone with an email addy something like and have never even had the courtesy of a reply from him. I really hope someone can help me with this one and I'll be forever indebted to you. I'm not looking for a "freebie" - I expect to pay for it. Someone has gotta have one lying on a shelf somewhere that they would be prepared to convert to cash :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Feb 23 11:00:51 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:00:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Help!! I need a Briggs coil. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090223205858.017614c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Further to the Briggs coil. I found somewhere that it was also used by John Deere - Part No. AM38985) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Mon Feb 23 11:05:21 2009 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:05:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help!! I need a Briggs coil. References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090223200833.017614c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <01d701c995e9$ad2e48a0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Jerry, I think I have one in our storage building. However I can't get into the building until spring. During wet weather the floor just inside the door to the building floods, then when it gets cold the water freezes leaving 2" of ice behind the door. So there is no getting in until probably April. But inside there is a dismantled B&S 2 cylinder which may have the coil you seek! Someone else may have one for you before then as they are quite common. Do you still make the etched brass engine plates? There is an etched brass plate on an old DC motor (its so old it is labeled "Continuous Current") on our overhead crane and I would like to have a new one made. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Foundation "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: ; Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: [SEL] Help!! I need a Briggs coil. > Hi Guys, > I know that there are other "small engine" places but you guys > have always come through. > > I am desperately looking (have been for about 2 years) for one or > two ignition coils from an older twin cylinder Briggs & Stratton. There > are > none in South Africa. > > New or second hand (as long as it's good) will be fine. It must be > the type used for points ignition - NOT electronic ignition). I think that > the original Briggs part number is 394988 but am not too sure if this is > correct or if any Briggs twin coil (for points NOT electronic) will do the > trick. > I've tried John Smith a number of times without success as well as > someone with an email addy something like and have never > even had the courtesy of a reply from him. > > I really hope someone can help me with this one and I'll be > forever indebted to you. > > I'm not looking for a "freebie" - I expect to pay for it. Someone > has gotta have one lying on a shelf somewhere that they would be prepared > to convert to cash :-) > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Feb 23 12:07:55 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:07:55 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Briggs coil/2 on eBay/Please help Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090223215146.017a3a58@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Further to the Briggs coil. I've just found that there are 2 on Ebay with a "Buy it now" option for $40.00 each. My problem is that I am not registered on ebay (and cannot from South Africa.) and I'd really hate to loose out on this. Please, can anyone help me by buying them for me. If any list member is agreeable I will immediately send payment to you via PayPal and of course I will cover you for all extra costs involved. I suggest securing them immediately even if it means sending another payment tomorrow to cover shipping to South Africa. (As an after thought I could even pay the seller directly if only someone could secure them for me now.) It's past my bedtime here but I'll wait up another hour or so in the hope of getting an answer. Many thanks Jerry From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 23 12:40:02 2009 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:40:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Things You Find In A Scrapyard References: <6f6025160902230721q74f342feo403ecc68a8c7f97f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3609BAAB1A934B0B8D73F010BD8E584E@YOURDA6F5028CB> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.spitcrazy.com/Bren-gun-carrier.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.spitcrazy.com/bishopday.htm&h=393&w=600&sz=41&tbnid=CLIevA1R9gLsXM::&tbnh=88&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBren%2BGun%2Bcarrier&usg=__rzd7RIyzL8i-mC_Z9dR9JK3sBO4=&ei=LAmjSZacDKGbtwfTtP2KDQ&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=4&ct=image&cd=1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "Stationary-Engine" Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:21 AM Subject: Things You Find In A Scrapyard > Went looking for some largish cast iron wheels today for the Ruston > trolley. Something 15" - 18" diameter and 3" - 4" face would be nice, > but you take what you can find. > > The owner and son were there in the office, and the Father took me > outside and showed me where to look, but he didn't think there'd me > much of interest in the two piles of scrap. > > After a bit of rooting around, a cast iron rubber-tyred wheel and hub > and part of a support bracket came to light, then another and then a > 3rd. Ideal size, albeit a bit heavy, but having the hub/bearings was a > bonus. A further search turned up a similar wheel, which was attached > to an axle, which was attached to a bl**dy great steel frame, and > another wheel and finally another axle. Looks like a big engine > trolley. It has a swivelling axle and is all complete. > > Walking round a bit more, I came across the fourth wheel from the > first set I had found, so my cup runneth over! > > The 4 loose wheels are 17" diameter X 4" face, with tyres bonded on to > take the OD to 20". After a bit of inspection, "FM CO 44" is found > cast into the spokes, and the 'Firestone' logo and a date code "28 44" > bonded into the rubber. > > We now know that these are almost certainly from a Universal Carrier, > made by Ford Motor Co in Windsor, Ontario during WWII. That was what > was called here a Bren Gun Carrier. > > Pictures are: > > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/Wheels4.jpg > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/Wheels5.jpg > > I will probably strip the rubber off and use them as plain cast iron > wheels, but we have a local company in St Ives that do traction engine > tyres, so I have asked them how much to put new rubbers on. > > We have to go back for the trolley as that was buried under a few tons > of scrap machinery, but that looks to be a different wheel as far as > we can see. I'll do some pictures when we get it back home. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1967 - Release Date: 02/23/09 07:17:00 From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 23 12:41:57 2009 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:41:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Things You Find In A Scrapyard References: <6f6025160902230721q74f342feo403ecc68a8c7f97f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10E7F2FE60A94C6DA0ECA06A494F74D8@YOURDA6F5028CB> Like this? http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.spitcrazy.com/Bren-gun-carrier.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.spitcrazy.com/bishopday.htm&h=393&w=600&sz=41&tbnid=CLIevA1R9gLsXM::&tbnh=88&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBren%2BGun%2Bcarrier&usg=__rzd7RIyzL8i-mC_Z9dR9JK3sBO4=&ei=LAmjSZacDKGbtwfTtP2KDQ&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=4&ct=image&cd=1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "Stationary-Engine" Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:21 AM Subject: Things You Find In A Scrapyard > Went looking for some largish cast iron wheels today for the Ruston > trolley. Something 15" - 18" diameter and 3" - 4" face would be nice, > but you take what you can find. > > The owner and son were there in the office, and the Father took me > outside and showed me where to look, but he didn't think there'd me > much of interest in the two piles of scrap. > > After a bit of rooting around, a cast iron rubber-tyred wheel and hub > and part of a support bracket came to light, then another and then a > 3rd. Ideal size, albeit a bit heavy, but having the hub/bearings was a > bonus. A further search turned up a similar wheel, which was attached > to an axle, which was attached to a bl**dy great steel frame, and > another wheel and finally another axle. Looks like a big engine > trolley. It has a swivelling axle and is all complete. > > Walking round a bit more, I came across the fourth wheel from the > first set I had found, so my cup runneth over! > > The 4 loose wheels are 17" diameter X 4" face, with tyres bonded on to > take the OD to 20". After a bit of inspection, "FM CO 44" is found > cast into the spokes, and the 'Firestone' logo and a date code "28 44" > bonded into the rubber. > > We now know that these are almost certainly from a Universal Carrier, > made by Ford Motor Co in Windsor, Ontario during WWII. That was what > was called here a Bren Gun Carrier. > > Pictures are: > > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/Wheels4.jpg > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/Wheels5.jpg > > I will probably strip the rubber off and use them as plain cast iron > wheels, but we have a local company in St Ives that do traction engine > tyres, so I have asked them how much to put new rubbers on. > > We have to go back for the trolley as that was buried under a few tons > of scrap machinery, but that looks to be a different wheel as far as > we can see. I'll do some pictures when we get it back home. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1967 - Release Date: 02/23/09 07:17:00 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 12:59:41 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:59:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Things You Find In A Scrapyard In-Reply-To: <6f6025160902230721q74f342feo403ecc68a8c7f97f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160902230721q74f342feo403ecc68a8c7f97f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160902231259p122674acm94f1572314527d7e@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/23 Listerdiesel : > I will probably strip the rubber off and use them as plain cast iron > wheels, but we have a local company in St Ives that do traction engine > tyres, so I have asked them how much to put new rubbers on. Got the quote back: ?221.00 EACH plus tax. AND: Had a guy with a Bren Gun Carrier email me and ask if I wanted to sell him the wheels :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Feb 23 13:15:38 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:15:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Things You Find In A Scrapyard In-Reply-To: <6f6025160902231259p122674acm94f1572314527d7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160902230721q74f342feo403ecc68a8c7f97f@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160902231259p122674acm94f1572314527d7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c9d38467f8bf4ad606a504e95b1fb74.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Peter, Now THAT is something that you really should do. Afterall, all you need are cast iron wheels (any heavy sort will do). This poor bloke is probably restoring a Bren Gun Carrier and is in desparate need of the "correct" wheels. Help him out. See ya, Arnie On Mon, February 23, 2009 3:59 pm, Listerdiesel wrote: > 2009/2/23 Listerdiesel : > > AND: > > Had a guy with a Bren Gun Carrier email me and ask if I wanted to sell > him the wheels :-)) > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From weolson at wiktel.com Mon Feb 23 13:09:25 2009 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:09:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <649586214.20090223150925@wiktel.com> Hi Andy, Monday, February 23, 2009, 7:54:32 AM, you wrote: AG> I know that several of you have saw rigs so I'm comming to you AG> for help with mine. I tried using it last fall to saw some AG> firewood for the steam engine with little success. The teeth look AG> to be in good shape but there seems to little or no set to them. AG> How much set should the saw teeth have? How to I set them properly? AG> _________________________________________________________________ AG> Windows Live? Hotmail??more than just e-mail. AG> http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_022009 AG> _______________________________________________ AG> SEL mailing list AG> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com AG> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel I would think that maybe up to one almost half the width of the blade thickness, not more. You don't want to have any gap between the teeth, or it won't cut in that space. You should be able to look down the row of teeth and have it look like a "vee" shaped trough. I know it's harder on a circle, but you get the idea. On a handsaw, you can slide a needle down that trough. -- Thanks, William mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Feb 23 13:35:49 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:35:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Briggs coil/2 on eBay/Please help Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090223233316.01795950@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, You are the greatest. They have been secured by Ron Haskell but thanks for all the other offers and mail I've got in the last hour. I'm still working my way through it and will reply. More later. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon Feb 23 13:58:33 2009 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:58:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs coil/2 on eBay/Please help References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090223215146.017a3a58@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry, Just a couple of ideas. Since you are a little far away, you might try using the points for a battery powered ignition. This would depend what you can lay your hands on in the way of junk parts. There is a Point Saver device that uses the timing from the points to switch a transistor and conventional coil too. On the brigs coil, the two ends of the secondary winding are routed to two separate spark plugs which share a common ground, the threads, to complete the circuit. The GM six cylinder used three coils like this for the six spark plugs. You would need a capacitor across the points. Also, if the armature of the Briggs magnetron ignition lines up with the magnet, this would be a good option too. We would need to research the configuration. If you had the engine model and type numbers, we could go the Briggs site and get the illustrated parts list. Sometimes they specify the magnetron as a replacement. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: ; Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Briggs coil/2 on eBay/Please help > Hi Guys, > Further to the Briggs coil. > > I've just found that there are 2 on Ebay with a "Buy it now" option for > $40.00 each. > > My problem is that I am not registered on ebay (and cannot from South > Africa.) and I'd really hate to loose out on this. > > Please, can anyone help me by buying them for me. If any list member is > agreeable I will immediately send payment to you via PayPal and of course > I will cover you for all extra costs involved. I suggest securing them > immediately even if it means sending another payment tomorrow to cover > shipping to South Africa. > (As an after thought I could even pay the seller directly if only someone > could secure them for me now.) > > It's past my bedtime here but I'll wait up another hour or so in the hope > of getting an answer. > Many thanks > Jerry > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Mon Feb 23 15:17:56 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:17:56 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] aus fires are off again - fire contained In-Reply-To: <51115.203.12.35.157.1235379119.squirrel@boiler> References: <51115.203.12.35.157.1235379119.squirrel@boiler> Message-ID: <50217.203.12.35.157.1235431076.squirrel@boiler> Thanks to the efforts of (mainly volunteer) fire fighters overnight using 16 strike teams (there are 5 fire engines in each strike team) and three water bombing helicopters the fires in our area have been controlled. The brigade announced this morning that they hope to have it blacked out before the nasty weather due on Friday (hot with strong winds). We all had a lucky break when the wind swung around 180 degrees and blew the fire back on itself. Only one ridge line seperates the area I live in from the area that was burning. Despite the early reports all houses in the area were saved. No lives were lost although several people have been hospitalised with serious burns. One fire engine was destroyed and another damaged. The crews escaped with some injuries. The only fire damage in my town of Emerald was unrelated. A lady filling a jerry can with petrol knocked it over and it ignited. Two cars were totalled and the petrol station is currently closed. I have not been up there yet but will have a glance when I go to the bank this morning. Once again the reporting of this incident really shows the credibility (or intense lack of it) with our various media organisations. The government broadcaster concentrated on only facts. The others ranged from reporting one house had been lost (it was a shed) to one station (yay channel 10) reporting that hundreds of houses and many lives had been lost. Imagine what this does to the relatives and home owners - obviously they anticipated the worst and decided to get the scoop but did not anticipate the wind change. The same station announced the fire was deliberately lit. Turns out that it was started by a grass slasher (giant lawn mower) operating in a field. The machine should not have been used and the operator has some explaining to do. Machinery is not allowed to be used outside during a total fire ban. Some of what the public is saying on media blog sites is downright scary too - some people really do have strange minds. Statements range from: - level all the forests to make country living safe. - stop people living in the country - burn the greenies because they plant trees - greenies prevent burning off (some do, but most recognise the need) - everything is the greenie's fault - the fire brigade don't give enough warning (hard to give more IMHO) Basically it all seems to boil down to being someone else's fault. Sad. I look around the area in which I live - my block is as clear as I want to make it - we have some trees and I accept the risk that goes with that. If they burn then so be it. I do what I can to mitigate the risk - blocking openings, being able to plug and fill my house gutters, cleaning up fallen leaves etc. I know my sheds and their contents would be lost. So be it. Some houses are so nestled in amongst the trees that they will burn as they are undefendable. If the owners accept that risk knowingly then ok, but I'd be betting many of them think that "it won't happen to me". Sadly one day it will. Thanks for the well wishers who contacted me overnight. Your thoughts help us keep up our spirits. Regards Paul From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Feb 23 17:19:37 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:19:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Briggs coil/2 on eBay/Please help References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090223215146.017a3a58@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <0192E7B62663400083FADABE7A334652@peterlowe> Send me the link Jeryy Peter, Oz > Hi Guys, > Further to the Briggs coil. > > I've just found that there are 2 on Ebay with a "Buy it now" option for > $40.00 each. > > My problem is that I am not registered on ebay (and cannot from South > Africa.) and I'd really hate to loose out on this. > > Please, can anyone help me by buying them for me. If any list member is > agreeable I will immediately send payment to you via PayPal and of course > I will cover you for all extra costs involved. I suggest securing them > immediately even if it means sending another payment tomorrow to cover > shipping to South Africa. > (As an after thought I could even pay the seller directly if only someone > could secure them for me now.) > > It's past my bedtime here but I'll wait up another hour or so in the hope > of getting an answer. > Many thanks > Jerry > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Feb 24 05:45:04 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:45:04 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Back to the Briggs coil Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090224154438.01c2e950@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 11:05 PM 23/02/2009, Mark Shulaw wrote: >Jerry , That part number 394988 coil in the ad comes back as a solid state >ignition coil not a points ignition coil which is preferrable for your >use. Mark and: Hi Jerry, Coil part number 394988 comes back as a electronic ignition coil. Not a points coil. You can buy that coil 394988 all day long from a place called Tulsa Engine Warehouse for $28.00 http://tewarehouse.com/7-01644 But its just not what we need. The twin points coils like we need is not available new anymore unless you happen to find a dealership that has one laying on a shelf. Mark Hi Mark, Ed (Stoller) and others, Firstly let me say that I am very stupid when it comes to coils, magneto's, ignition and suchlike so please bear with me when I show my stupidity - I'm trying to learn :-) What I want to try doing is to use these coils to replace burnt out coils on 2 Maytag twin engines (Eisemann mags) as I read about this on a Smokstak forum here: and also had some offline correspondence with Ed Radtke who seems to have done many of these conversions. The most important part of what he (and the forum) mentioned was that the coil had to be of the older type for "points ignition" not the later replacement for electronic ignition and that this Briggs coil worked on the same principle as the Maytag coil. ie the spark travels from the coil to the 1st plug - then through the block to the second plug and then back to the coil and not to earth. (My stupidity shows here - I only quote this "parrot" fashion.) These older (points ignition) coils are no longer in production and very hard to find. Briggs & Stratton South Africa gave me the part number 394988 for this coil (which I passed on to the lists). I called them again today (after Marks message) and they again insisted that this was the correct number for this (points ign.) coil. They told me that it was replaced with 394891 which was the electronic version (they mentioned "Magnetron"). FWIW the guy I spoke to on both occasions has been with Briggs for many years and seemed to know exactly what he was talking about (although that is not always a guarantee) but my point is that he was not just some youngster reading a parts list. Mark, the link you gave me for The $28.00 coil from Tulsa warehouse: is NOT for the coil with part number 394988 but does mention that it is a replacement for this number as does this page on the Briggs and Stratton site: which mentions #394988 being replaced by #394891 (which is the same as the SA Briggs guy told me and probably the same coil as being sold by Tulsa Warehouse). As a point of interest the Briggs price is $50.00. What I (in my stupidity) understand from all of the above is that Briggs replaced the original #394988 with the newer electronic (Magnetron ??) #394891 which worked fine on their engines - would this have been a straight swop or was there more to it? But to do the modification to a Maytag the electronic coil will not work - I needed to find one of the older (points ign.) type Briggs coils which I think I have managed to find. It is for this reason that I got all excited when I found the 2 # 394988 coils on eBay. (Actually the link was forwarded to me by John Smith who I believe to be quite clued up on B&S parts). So Guys after this long post here is my question to you knowledgeable guys. Have I bought the correct coils (as I believe I have)? Many thanks to you all for the help so far and also for what will still come. Keep well, Jerry P.S. I have my one Maytag twin running at present using a battery and 2 car coils. It runs beautifully but I'd like to get rid of the battery and coils. From rolfb at accima.com Tue Feb 24 06:02:36 2009 From: rolfb at accima.com (Bob W7AVK) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 06:02:36 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Off Old Iron Message-ID: <49A3FDFC.3050404@accima.com> Good Day - Interested in CNC or new things, check this. **Presented by Jay Leno. ** ******_http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/49930a9fc57c735f/47fe70d4555df05a/9b5b999b/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c81 _** Regards, Bob R. WA USA **__****__********** From weolson at wiktel.com Tue Feb 24 10:08:25 2009 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:08:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Back to the Briggs coil In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090224154438.01c2e950@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090224154438.01c2e950@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <1088855605.20090224120825@wiktel.com> Hi Jerry, Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 7:45:04 AM, you wrote: JE> What I want to try doing is to use these coils to replace burnt JE> out coils on 2 Maytag twin engines (Eisemann mags) as I read about this on JE> a Smokstak forum here: JE> JE> and also had some offline correspondence with Ed Radtke who seems to have JE> done many of these conversions. JE> The most important part of what he (and the forum) mentioned was JE> that the coil had to be of the older type for "points ignition" not the JE> later replacement for electronic ignition and that this Briggs coil worked JE> on the same principle as the Maytag coil. ie the spark travels from the JE> coil to the 1st plug - then through the block to the second plug and then JE> back to the coil and not to earth. (My stupidity shows here - I only quote JE> this "parrot" fashion.) JE> It is for this reason that I got all excited when I found the 2 # JE> 394988 coils on eBay. (Actually the link was forwarded to me by John Smith JE> who I believe to be quite clued up on B&S parts). JE> So Guys after this long post here is my question to you JE> knowledgeable guys. Have I bought the correct coils (as I believe I have)? JE> Many thanks to you all for the help so far and also for what will still come. JE> Keep well, JE> Jerry JE> P.S. I have my one Maytag twin running at present using a battery and 2 car JE> coils. It runs beautifully but I'd like to get rid of the battery and coils. JE> _______________________________________________ JE> SEL mailing list JE> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com JE> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Have you tried Bill Lopouls' site at http://www.magnetoparts.com/maytag_mag.htm He lists Matag Twin coils and information about them. One thing that you may already know, with this type of ungrounded, double ended coil, you never want to let it work with one end open, either have it connected to two Spark Plugs or ground one end. Otherwise the voltage may go high enough to punch through the insulation. -- Thanks, William mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Roosevelt, Minn. USA Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Feb 24 11:18:24 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:18:24 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Help!! I need a Briggs coil. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090224211037.01d1ea88@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 24/02/2009, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:05:21 -0500 >From: "Tod Engine Foundation" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Help!! I need a Briggs coil. > >Jerry, > >I think I have one in our storage building. However I can't get into the >building until spring. During wet weather the floor just inside the door to >the building floods, then when it gets cold the water freezes leaving 2" of >ice behind the door. So there is no getting in until probably April. But >inside there is a dismantled B&S 2 cylinder which may have the coil you >seek! Someone else may have one for you before then as they are quite >common. >Do you still make the etched brass engine plates? There is an etched brass >plate on an old DC motor (its so old it is labeled "Continuous Current") on >our overhead crane and I would like to have a new one made. >Rick Rowlands Hi Rick, Apologies for the late answer but I only get the Digest version of SEL (and it came in about 2 1/2 hours later than usual tonight!!). Thanks for the offer but I think that I have come right - if not I will contact you later. Yes, I still make the plates - click on the link at the bottom of my signature for details. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue Feb 24 17:07:35 2009 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:07:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Back to the Briggs coil References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090223221124.0175fd20@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20090224144347.01c955f8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <69B85DC36F6A4890AD59ACF65D339CA4@Ed> Jerry, On some of the older single cylinder engines, years after being built, Briggs specified a Magnetron replacement. The Magnetron did not work on some engines until the flywheel was sent back to Briggs and they re-magnetized it for free, reversing the polarity. Since the older 394988 coil appears to physically fit your Maytag twin, the Magnetron version, 394988 should also physically fit. If it does fit, but does not work, it might be that it is not compatible with the polarization of the Maytag magnets on the flywheel. To map the magnet poles see http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id2.html, Figure 7.7. Maybe some one in the Maytag community with access to a magnet charger could do an experiment to see if this works. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:43 AM Subject: Back to the Briggs coil > At 11:05 PM 23/02/2009, Mark Shulaw wrote: >>Jerry , That part number 394988 coil in the ad comes back as a solid state >>ignition coil not a points ignition coil which is preferrable for your >>use. Mark > and: > Hi Jerry, Coil part number 394988 comes back as a electronic ignition > coil. Not a points coil. You can buy that coil 394988 all day long from a > place called Tulsa Engine Warehouse for $28.00 > http://tewarehouse.com/7-01644 > But its just not what we need. The twin points coils like we need is not > available new anymore unless you happen to find a dealership that has one > laying on a shelf. Mark > > Hi Mark, Ed (Stoller) and others, > Firstly let me say that I am very stupid when it comes to coils, > magneto's, ignition and suchlike so please bear with me when I show my > stupidity - I'm trying to learn :-) > > What I want to try doing is to use these coils to replace burnt > out coils on 2 Maytag twin engines (Eisemann mags) as I read about this on > a Smokstak forum here: > > and also had some offline correspondence with Ed Radtke who seems to have > done many of these conversions. > The most important part of what he (and the forum) mentioned was > that the coil had to be of the older type for "points ignition" not the > later replacement for electronic ignition and that this Briggs coil worked > on the same principle as the Maytag coil. ie the spark travels from the > coil to the 1st plug - then through the block to the second plug and then > back to the coil and not to earth. (My stupidity shows here - I only quote > this "parrot" fashion.) > > These older (points ignition) coils are no longer in production > and very hard to find. Briggs & Stratton South Africa gave me the part > number 394988 for this coil (which I passed on to the lists). I called > them again today (after Marks message) and they again insisted that this > was the correct number for this (points ign.) coil. They told me that it > was replaced with 394891 which was the electronic version (they mentioned > "Magnetron"). FWIW the guy I spoke to on both occasions has been with > Briggs for many years and seemed to know exactly what he was talking about > (although that is not always a guarantee) but my point is that he was not > just some youngster reading a parts list. > > Mark, the link you gave me for The $28.00 coil from Tulsa > warehouse: > is NOT for the coil with part number > 394988 but does mention that it is a replacement for this number as does > this page on the Briggs and Stratton site: > > which mentions #394988 being replaced by #394891 (which is the same as the > SA Briggs guy told me and probably the same coil as being sold by Tulsa > Warehouse). As a point of interest the Briggs price is $50.00. > > What I (in my stupidity) understand from all of the above is that > Briggs replaced the original #394988 with the newer electronic (Magnetron > ??) #394891 which worked fine on their engines - would this have been a > straight swop or was there more to it? But to do the modification to a > Maytag the electronic coil will not work - I needed to find one of the > older (points ign.) type Briggs coils which I think I have managed to > find. > > It is for this reason that I got all excited when I found the 2 # > 394988 coils on eBay. (Actually the link was forwarded to me by John Smith > who I believe to be quite clued up on B&S parts). > > So Guys after this long post here is my question to you > knowledgeable guys. Have I bought the correct coils (as I believe I have)? > > Many thanks to you all for the help so far and also for what will still > come. > Keep well, > Jerry > P.S. I have my one Maytag twin running at present using a battery and 2 > car coils. It runs beautifully but I'd like to get rid of the battery and > coils. > > > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Feb 24 18:21:30 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:21:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Back to the Briggs coil In-Reply-To: <69B85DC36F6A4890AD59ACF65D339CA4@Ed> Message-ID: Apple and oranges. The magnetron system is electronic, not points. What the maytag folks want is a coil to replace their coil. The newer B&S coil is actually an ignition system that looks like the old coil but is a complete electronic ignition system AND coil in one sealed unit. I strongly doubt the magnetron system will work on the maytag. Could be wrong, but the reason it crosses on B&S is that they are UPGRADING your old engine to the new magnetron - or electronic ignition system. I suspect the little card that comes with that new B&S coil mentions this and mentions you don't connect the points any more. It's trigged by the magnetic field, electronically, not by points. Been a LOT of years since I was a B&S dealer, but some of this just seems familiar......... May be wrong....... Tell ya what, check with Bob.......... he does small engine repair, including B&S. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed stoller Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:08 PM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Back to the Briggs coil Jerry, On some of the older single cylinder engines, years after being built, Briggs specified a Magnetron replacement. The Magnetron did not work on some engines until the flywheel was sent back to Briggs and they re-magnetized it for free, reversing the polarity. Since the older 394988 coil appears to physically fit your Maytag twin, the Magnetron version, 394988 should also physically fit. If it does fit, but does not work, it might be that it is not compatible with the polarization of the Maytag magnets on the flywheel. To map the magnet poles see http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id2.html, Figure 7.7. Maybe some one in the Maytag community with access to a magnet charger could do an experiment to see if this works. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:43 AM Subject: Back to the Briggs coil > At 11:05 PM 23/02/2009, Mark Shulaw wrote: >>Jerry , That part number 394988 coil in the ad comes back as a solid state >>ignition coil not a points ignition coil which is preferrable for your >>use. Mark > and: > Hi Jerry, Coil part number 394988 comes back as a electronic ignition > coil. Not a points coil. You can buy that coil 394988 all day long from a > place called Tulsa Engine Warehouse for $28.00 > http://tewarehouse.com/7-01644 > But its just not what we need. The twin points coils like we need is not > available new anymore unless you happen to find a dealership that has one > laying on a shelf. Mark > > Hi Mark, Ed (Stoller) and others, > Firstly let me say that I am very stupid when it comes to coils, > magneto's, ignition and suchlike so please bear with me when I show my > stupidity - I'm trying to learn :-) > > What I want to try doing is to use these coils to replace burnt > out coils on 2 Maytag twin engines (Eisemann mags) as I read about this on > a Smokstak forum here: > > and also had some offline correspondence with Ed Radtke who seems to have > done many of these conversions. > The most important part of what he (and the forum) mentioned was > that the coil had to be of the older type for "points ignition" not the > later replacement for electronic ignition and that this Briggs coil worked > on the same principle as the Maytag coil. ie the spark travels from the > coil to the 1st plug - then through the block to the second plug and then > back to the coil and not to earth. (My stupidity shows here - I only quote > this "parrot" fashion.) > > These older (points ignition) coils are no longer in production > and very hard to find. Briggs & Stratton South Africa gave me the part > number 394988 for this coil (which I passed on to the lists). I called > them again today (after Marks message) and they again insisted that this > was the correct number for this (points ign.) coil. They told me that it > was replaced with 394891 which was the electronic version (they mentioned > "Magnetron"). FWIW the guy I spoke to on both occasions has been with > Briggs for many years and seemed to know exactly what he was talking about > (although that is not always a guarantee) but my point is that he was not > just some youngster reading a parts list. > > Mark, the link you gave me for The $28.00 coil from Tulsa > warehouse: > is NOT for the coil with part number > 394988 but does mention that it is a replacement for this number as does > this page on the Briggs and Stratton site: > > which mentions #394988 being replaced by #394891 (which is the same as the > SA Briggs guy told me and probably the same coil as being sold by Tulsa > Warehouse). As a point of interest the Briggs price is $50.00. > > What I (in my stupidity) understand from all of the above is that > Briggs replaced the original #394988 with the newer electronic (Magnetron > ??) #394891 which worked fine on their engines - would this have been a > straight swop or was there more to it? But to do the modification to a > Maytag the electronic coil will not work - I needed to find one of the > older (points ign.) type Briggs coils which I think I have managed to > find. > > It is for this reason that I got all excited when I found the 2 # > 394988 coils on eBay. (Actually the link was forwarded to me by John Smith > who I believe to be quite clued up on B&S parts). > > So Guys after this long post here is my question to you > knowledgeable guys. Have I bought the correct coils (as I believe I have)? > > Many thanks to you all for the help so far and also for what will still > come. > Keep well, > Jerry > P.S. I have my one Maytag twin running at present using a battery and 2 > car coils. It runs beautifully but I'd like to get rid of the battery and > coils. > > > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Tue Feb 24 19:54:49 2009 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:54:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show References: <666335.80075.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'll be waiting on your guys. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 http://oldengine.org/members/southwell From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Feb 24 21:17:15 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:17:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Back to the Briggs coil In-Reply-To: References: <69B85DC36F6A4890AD59ACF65D339CA4@Ed> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20090225000813.030bc648@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Bill, You are correct, that number does cross into the points ign Briggs engines as they junk the points-condenser stuff and whip that coil in to replace it all. Works on the Briggs but not on the Maytag. Don't know why but I am sure some engineer could tell us. Maybe it could work with the right modifications but what they are other then getting it fit to the Maytag post I don't know. I know the Briggs magnets are WAY stonger then the Maytag. Could be there is a contact internally that trips open with the strong Briggs magnetic field. Mark At 08:21 PM 2/24/2009 -0600, you wrote: >Apple and oranges. The magnetron system is electronic, not points. What the >maytag folks want is a coil to replace their coil. The newer B&S coil is >actually an ignition system that looks like the old coil but is a complete >electronic ignition system AND coil in one sealed unit. >I strongly doubt the magnetron system will work on the maytag. >Could be wrong, but the reason it crosses on B&S is that they are UPGRADING >your old engine to the new magnetron - or electronic ignition system. >I suspect the little card that comes with that new B&S coil mentions this >and mentions you don't connect the points any more. >It's trigged by the magnetic field, electronically, not by points. >Been a LOT of years since I was a B&S dealer, but some of this just seems >familiar......... >May be wrong....... >Tell ya what, check with Bob.......... he does small engine repair, >including B&S. > >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed stoller >Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:08 PM >To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org >Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Back to the Briggs coil > >Jerry, > >On some of the older single cylinder engines, years after being built, >Briggs specified a Magnetron replacement. The Magnetron did not work on >some engines until the flywheel was sent back to Briggs and they >re-magnetized it for free, reversing the polarity. Since the older 394988 >coil appears to physically fit your Maytag twin, the Magnetron version, >394988 should also physically fit. If it does fit, but does not work, it >might be that it is not compatible with the polarization of the Maytag >magnets on the flywheel. To map the magnet poles see >http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id2.html, Figure 7.7. Maybe some one >in the Maytag community with access to a magnet charger could do an >experiment to see if this works. > >Ed Stoller >New Fairfield, CT >http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jerry Evans" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:43 AM >Subject: Back to the Briggs coil > > > > At 11:05 PM 23/02/2009, Mark Shulaw wrote: > >>Jerry , That part number 394988 coil in the ad comes back as a solid state > > >>ignition coil not a points ignition coil which is preferrable for your > >>use. Mark > > and: > > Hi Jerry, Coil part number 394988 comes back as a electronic ignition > > coil. Not a points coil. You can buy that coil 394988 all day long from a > > > place called Tulsa Engine Warehouse for $28.00 > > http://tewarehouse.com/7-01644 > > But its just not what we need. The twin points coils like we need is not > > available new anymore unless you happen to find a dealership that has one > > laying on a shelf. Mark > > > > Hi Mark, Ed (Stoller) and others, > > Firstly let me say that I am very stupid when it comes to coils, > > magneto's, ignition and suchlike so please bear with me when I show my > > stupidity - I'm trying to learn :-) > > > > What I want to try doing is to use these coils to replace burnt > > out coils on 2 Maytag twin engines (Eisemann mags) as I read about this on > > > a Smokstak forum here: > > > > and also had some offline correspondence with Ed Radtke who seems to have > > done many of these conversions. > > The most important part of what he (and the forum) mentioned was > > that the coil had to be of the older type for "points ignition" not the > > later replacement for electronic ignition and that this Briggs coil worked > > > on the same principle as the Maytag coil. ie the spark travels from the > > coil to the 1st plug - then through the block to the second plug and then > > back to the coil and not to earth. (My stupidity shows here - I only quote > > > this "parrot" fashion.) > > > > These older (points ignition) coils are no longer in production > > and very hard to find. Briggs & Stratton South Africa gave me the part > > number 394988 for this coil (which I passed on to the lists). I called > > them again today (after Marks message) and they again insisted that this > > was the correct number for this (points ign.) coil. They told me that it > > was replaced with 394891 which was the electronic version (they mentioned > > > "Magnetron"). FWIW the guy I spoke to on both occasions has been with > > Briggs for many years and seemed to know exactly what he was talking about > > > (although that is not always a guarantee) but my point is that he was not > > just some youngster reading a parts list. > > > > Mark, the link you gave me for The $28.00 coil from Tulsa > > warehouse: > > is NOT for the coil with part number > > 394988 but does mention that it is a replacement for this number as does > > this page on the Briggs and Stratton site: > > >&pno=394988> > > which mentions #394988 being replaced by #394891 (which is the same as the > > > SA Briggs guy told me and probably the same coil as being sold by Tulsa > > Warehouse). As a point of interest the Briggs price is $50.00. > > > > What I (in my stupidity) understand from all of the above is that > > Briggs replaced the original #394988 with the newer electronic (Magnetron > > ??) #394891 which worked fine on their engines - would this have been a > > straight swop or was there more to it? But to do the modification to a > > Maytag the electronic coil will not work - I needed to find one of the > > older (points ign.) type Briggs coils which I think I have managed to > > find. > > > > It is for this reason that I got all excited when I found the 2 # > > 394988 coils on eBay. (Actually the link was forwarded to me by John Smith > > > who I believe to be quite clued up on B&S parts). > > > > So Guys after this long post here is my question to you > > knowledgeable guys. Have I bought the correct coils (as I believe I have)? > > > > Many thanks to you all for the help so far and also for what will still > > come. > > Keep well, > > Jerry > > P.S. I have my one Maytag twin running at present using a battery and 2 > > car coils. It runs beautifully but I'd like to get rid of the battery and > > coils. > > > > > > > > > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > > with: > > unsubscribe > > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1969 - Release Date: 02/24/09 >06:43:00 Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com 419.358.5206 Home 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Feb 25 00:12:48 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:12:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Olds engine register Message-ID: <02DB59914C59422AA0DD8B6721EDB929@peterlowe> Hi all Is anyone runnning an Olds Register??? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Wed Feb 25 01:46:03 2009 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:46:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Olds engine register In-Reply-To: <02DB59914C59422AA0DD8B6721EDB929@peterlowe> References: <02DB59914C59422AA0DD8B6721EDB929@peterlowe> Message-ID: <91BE903C6EA84F30A67D1090DAE9E502@Young0208> Peter, I would be interested in knowing myself. I have an interest in them as I have two early engines and for a few years anyway was recording serial numbers and trying to unravel their secrets - but by no way was/is it a register. Olds engines are hard to date exactly as their are no factory details that have survived into preservation that I know of. I've figured out that B prefixed Type A engines are the Olds Gas Power engines with the trumpet type carb. The early ones didn't have the B pre-fix - e.g. the engine featured in TOMM a months or so back was real early but probably not as old as that guy thinks. The B pre fix engines run from 1905ish to 1910. After that they became Seager engines and had a serial number with a D pre fix. I think the later Rumley engines may have had an F pre fix. Some of this is straight from my memory. If a little bit of knowledge is dangerous - then thats me - so be warned! Since maybe there is no register, you might be the man to start one - now that all bar one or two of the R&Vs on the planet have been accounted for. What little information I have is yours, incl. cattledogs, parts books etc. Regards, Mike Young ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: [SEL] Olds engine register > Hi all > > Is anyone runnning an Olds Register??? > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Feb 25 02:53:44 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:53:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Olds engine register References: <02DB59914C59422AA0DD8B6721EDB929@peterlowe> <91BE903C6EA84F30A67D1090DAE9E502@Young0208> Message-ID: <5C3C38A098384B228B1A0DE0072A7212@peterlowe> Hi Mike NO, I am not wanting to get into Olds engines, but there is a guy who contacted me here in Oz that IS interested. Peter. > Peter, > > I would be interested in knowing myself. I have an interest in them as I > have two early engines and for a few years anyway was recording serial > numbers and trying to unravel their secrets - but by no way was/is it a > register. Olds engines are hard to date exactly as their are no factory > details that have survived into preservation that I know of. I've figured > out that B prefixed Type A engines are the Olds Gas Power engines with the > trumpet type carb. The early ones didn't have the B pre-fix - e.g. the > engine featured in TOMM a months or so back was real early but probably > not > as old as that guy thinks. The B pre fix engines run from 1905ish to > 1910. > After that they became Seager engines and had a serial number with a D pre > fix. I think the later Rumley engines may have had an F pre fix. Some of > this is straight from my memory. If a little bit of knowledge is > dangerous - > then thats me - so be warned! Since maybe there is no register, you > might > be the man to start one - now that all bar one or two of the R&Vs on the > planet have been accounted for. What little information I have is yours, > incl. cattledogs, parts books etc. > > Regards, > > Mike Young > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:12 PM > Subject: [SEL] Olds engine register > > >> Hi all >> >> Is anyone runnning an Olds Register??? >> >> Regards >> Peter Lowe >> R&V Engine Registrar >> Australia >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at me.com Wed Feb 25 06:23:02 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:23:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A002F3E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A002F3E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <9B43CB5E-8818-4891-821F-3A307DD2738D@me.com> It can also be done by eye. We are not making cabinetry with these things! 1/16 inch each way (giving a 1/8 [plus blade width]) kerf should be about right. Dave PS, hell, I use a crescent wrench to "set" my drag saw blades. On Feb 23, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Best, George wrote: > With a hammer ;-) > > My father had a factory made fixture for setting the teeth on buzz saw > blades. Next time I go visit my mother I'll have to dig it out and > take > a few pictures of it. > > To use it you take the saw blade off the saw and place the fixture on > the shop floor (or you could use a work table). You position a saw > tooth over the striking spot and hit the saw tooth with a hammer. You > then turn the blade to skip a tooth and do every other tooth. After > the > one side is done, you flip the blade over and do the other teeth. > > I have a 30" buzz saw at home and we set the teeth on it several > years > ago using that fixture. Worked great. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Andy > Glines > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:55 AM > To: stationary engine > Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw > > > I know that several of you have saw rigs so I'm comming to you for > help > with mine. I tried using it last fall to saw some firewood for the > steam engine with little success. The teeth look to be in good shape > but there seems to little or no set to them. How much set should the > saw teeth have? How to I set them properly? > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live(tm) Hotmail(r)...more than just e-mail. > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_ > howitworks_022009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of > the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended > recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, > you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication > is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message > and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From b2 at chooka.net Wed Feb 25 07:43:35 2009 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:43:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw In-Reply-To: <9B43CB5E-8818-4891-821F-3A307DD2738D@me.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A002F3E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <9B43CB5E-8818-4891-821F-3A307DD2738D@me.com> Message-ID: Now yer talking my style! I consider a chain saw to be a fine woodworking tool. B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:23 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Buzz saw It can also be done by eye. We are not making cabinetry with these things! 1/16 inch each way (giving a 1/8 [plus blade width]) kerf should be about right. Dave PS, hell, I use a crescent wrench to "set" my drag saw blades. On Feb 23, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Best, George wrote: > With a hammer ;-) > > My father had a factory made fixture for setting the teeth on buzz saw > blades. Next time I go visit my mother I'll have to dig it out and > take a few pictures of it. > > To use it you take the saw blade off the saw and place the fixture on > the shop floor (or you could use a work table). You position a saw > tooth over the striking spot and hit the saw tooth with a hammer. You > then turn the blade to skip a tooth and do every other tooth. After > the one side is done, you flip the blade over and do the other teeth. > > I have a 30" buzz saw at home and we set the teeth on it several > years ago using that fixture. Worked great. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Andy > Glines > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:55 AM > To: stationary engine > Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw > > > I know that several of you have saw rigs so I'm comming to you for > help with mine. I tried using it last fall to saw some firewood for > the steam engine with little success. The teeth look to be in good > shape but there seems to little or no set to them. How much set > should the saw teeth have? How to I set them properly? > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live(tm) Hotmail(r)...more than just e-mail. > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbette > r_ > howitworks_022009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended > recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, > you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication > is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message > and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Feb 25 10:04:01 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:04:01 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Please forward the SEL Digest to me Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090225195954.00c010f8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Can anyone who recieves the SEL Digest version please forward todays (25 Feb 2009) issue to me at: I briefly glanced over it on the mail server but when I tried to download it something went wrong and I lost it. See, I can also be stupid in more ways than one. Thanks in advance From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Feb 25 10:25:44 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:25:44 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Please forward the Digest./Stupid me Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090225201519.00bc5218@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, I did mention that I could be stupid didn't I ?? It only struck me after sending the message that anyone getting the Digest would only see my message tomorrow when the new Digest comes out but I'd like to read it now !! DUHHH! So please allow me to rephrase the request. There were a few answers today relating to my Briggs coil post - would someone mind forwarding them to me at: See, South Africans can also be stupid! . Thanks guys Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Feb 25 11:53:56 2009 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:53:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > 10. Re: Buzz saw (David Rotigel) > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:23:02 -0500 > From: David Rotigel > Subject: Re: [SEL] Buzz saw > It can also be done by eye. We are not making cabinetry with these > things! 1/16 inch each way (giving a 1/8 [plus blade width]) kerf > should be about right. > Dave > PS, hell, I use a crescent wrench to "set" my drag saw blades. Thanks Dave, My blade is 1/8" thick so the amount of set that you recommend will work good. I was getting ready to use a small monkey wrench that I have. I may even make a wrest buy cutting a slot into a piece of bar stock. How far down should I bend the teeth? Do I only bend it near the tip? about 1/2 way or all of the way down to the gullet? My blade is 1/8" thick so the amount of set that you recommend will work good. _________________________________________________________________ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Access_022009 From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Feb 25 12:37:12 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:37:12 -0800 Subject: [SEL] FriscoStandard Message-ID: <20090225.123715.1700.7.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Started putting pieces back together. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/FriscoStandard?authkey=RrFc2mh3xYI #5306835438209856290 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Reduce your debt up to 40%. Click here for debt consolidation information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIk3l6sagvrM9ER1Klo3yEjuWc55Xu6t10QyuTx0uquwJbCdmcrB2/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Feb 25 12:40:34 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:40:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A002F3E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><9B43CB5E-8818-4891-821F-3A307DD2738D@me.com> Message-ID: So did a friend of ours. He used one to remove an internal wall to open up his lounge/dining area. However, the roof had other ideas, and promptly fell in on him. The insurance turned their back on him too. (I dont blame them either). That effort is still laughed at all these years later. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brueck" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Buzz saw Now yer talking my style! I consider a chain saw to be a fine woodworking tool. B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:23 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Buzz saw It can also be done by eye. We are not making cabinetry with these things! 1/16 inch each way (giving a 1/8 [plus blade width]) kerf should be about right. Dave PS, hell, I use a crescent wrench to "set" my drag saw blades. On Feb 23, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Best, George wrote: > With a hammer ;-) > > My father had a factory made fixture for setting the teeth on buzz saw > blades. Next time I go visit my mother I'll have to dig it out and > take a few pictures of it. > > To use it you take the saw blade off the saw and place the fixture on > the shop floor (or you could use a work table). You position a saw > tooth over the striking spot and hit the saw tooth with a hammer. You > then turn the blade to skip a tooth and do every other tooth. After > the one side is done, you flip the blade over and do the other teeth. > > I have a 30" buzz saw at home and we set the teeth on it several > years ago using that fixture. Worked great. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Andy > Glines > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:55 AM > To: stationary engine > Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw > > > I know that several of you have saw rigs so I'm comming to you for > help with mine. I tried using it last fall to saw some firewood for > the steam engine with little success. The teeth look to be in good > shape but there seems to little or no set to them. How much set > should the saw teeth have? How to I set them properly? > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live(tm) Hotmail(r)...more than just e-mail. > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbette > r_ > howitworks_022009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended > recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, > you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication > is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message > and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Feb 25 16:28:02 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:28:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FriscoStandard In-Reply-To: <20090225.123715.1700.7.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Ron: Some guys have all the fun! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > rdhaskell at juno.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 02:37 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] FriscoStandard > > > Hi all. > Started putting pieces back together. > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/FriscoStand > ard?authkey=RrFc2mh3xYI > #5306835438209856290 From rotigel at me.com Wed Feb 25 18:34:49 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:34:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Hi Andy, Start the bend at the gullet. The tip of the tooth should > be about 1/16 out. Be sure to bend each tooth the proper way. The > current set should tell you which way that is. Dave > > > > Thanks Dave, My blade is 1/8" thick so the amount of set that you > recommend will work good. I was getting ready to use a small monkey > wrench that I have. I may even make a wrest buy cutting a slot into > a piece of bar stock. How far down should I bend the teeth? Do I > only bend it near the tip? about 1/2 way or all of the way down to > the gullet? My blade is 1/8" thick so the amount of set that you > recommend will work good. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 25 18:56:44 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:56:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw Message-ID: <95919.67517.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That friend of yours must not be the sharpest knife in the drawer. ? My house has trusses so I could remove any of the?interior walls if I wanted to. ? My mother's house has a stick built roof and to remove a center wall I would have to put a beam above the wall in the attic and use long joist hangers to hang the ceiling from it.? Been There / Done That in a different house or three. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 2/25/09, R & M Ingold wrote: From: R & M Ingold Subject: Re: [SEL] Buzz saw To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 3:40 PM So did a friend of ours. He used one to remove an internal wall to open up his lounge/dining area. However, the roof had other ideas, and promptly fell in on him. The insurance turned their back on him too. (I dont blame them either). That effort is still laughed at all these years later. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brueck" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Buzz saw Now yer talking my style! I consider a chain saw to be a fine woodworking tool. B? Bill Brueck ???Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:23 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Buzz saw It can also be done by eye. We are not making cabinetry with these things! 1/16 inch each way (giving a 1/8 [plus blade width]) kerf should be about right. Dave PS, hell, I use a crescent wrench to "set" my drag saw blades. On Feb 23, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Best, George wrote: > With a hammer ;-) > > My father had a factory made fixture for setting the teeth on buzz saw > blades.? Next time I go visit my mother I'll have to dig it out and > take a few pictures of it. > > To use it you take the saw blade off the saw and place the fixture on > the shop floor (or you could use a work table).? You position a saw > tooth over the striking spot and hit the saw tooth with a hammer.? You > then turn the blade to skip a tooth and do every other tooth.? After > the one side is done, you flip the blade over and do the other teeth. > > I have a 30" buzz saw? at home and we set the teeth on it several > years ago using that fixture.? Worked great. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Andy > Glines > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:55 AM > To: stationary engine > Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw > > > I know that several of you have saw rigs so I'm comming to you for > help with mine.? I tried using it last fall to saw some firewood for > the steam engine with little success.? The teeth look to be in good > shape but there seems to little or no set to them.? How much set > should the saw teeth have?? How to I set them properly? > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live(tm) Hotmail(r)...more than just e-mail. > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbette > r_ > howitworks_022009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended > recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, > you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication > is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message > and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Feb 25 23:22:54 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:22:54 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Thanks guys for forwarding mails. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090226091917.01919c20@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Thanks to all who forwarded the posts I asked for. I got a few duplicates but that's to be expected and infinitely better than getting none. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Feb 26 00:49:10 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:49:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Back to the Briggs coil Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090226092425.01928e58@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Many thanks for all the very useful responses to the original post. I'm still absorbing everything, however, my original question has not yet been answered :-) I asked if anyone could confirm that I had bought the correct coil for this Maytag conversion. I DO NOT want to try to fit an electronic coil (ignition) to the Maytag - I want to try fitting the older Briggs coil (for points ign) to the Maytag. The coils I have bought are part # 394988 which as far as I've been able to ascertain is the correct coil for the older Briggs with points ignition. That's what I was asking for confirmation on. What caused the uncertainty in my mind was this post from Mark: >Jerry , That part number 394988 coil in the ad comes back as a solid state >ignition coil not a points ignition coil which is preferrable for your >use. Mark I think that the site he got that info from (Tulsa Warehouse) is what caused the confusion because they are offering the electronic version but in small lettering below tout it as "a replacement for 394988 and a few others". (The Briggs site mentions the same). We have established that Briggs could be converted from "points ign" to solid state and that point has been well covered in the posts. To recap, I'm NOT trying to convert a Maytag to solid state ignition - I'm only asking for confirmation that Briggs & Stratton part# 394988 is the older type (not electronic) coil. Apologies for any confusion caused but if you read my original mail you will see that this is all I was asking for. Many thanks. (The following is in answer to a few other posts - I'll reply here:) Someone mentioned not to try testing this type of coil with one wire disconnected - I'm aware of that but thanks for mentioning it anyway. Someone mentioned Bobs Small engine - been there but they have no stock of the Eisemann coils and have not for some time. Someone else mentioned Bill Lopoulos-Magnetoparts. Also been there but his Maytag coils are more than double the price of the Briggs coil and I was also advised by a list member that there have been quite a few problems with his coils. His page has some very interesting reading here: I decided to try the Briggs coil for the following reasons: 1) Because of reports that it is a much "better made" coil than the Maytag coil and more robust. 2) Good reports from Smokstak forum re the conversion. 3) Price related to the low value of our local currency. As an example - the Briggs coils I have just acquired (thanks to Ron Haskell) came to US$ 40.00 each (before shipping). When converted to our currency it comes to ZAR 400.00 - I can buy 4 cases (24cans/case) of good beer here for that price. The Maytag coil from Bill would cost me 8 1/2 cases of the same beer. (remember also that this is PER COIL - I needed 2 coils and these prices are before shipping) (I don't drink much beer anymore - just using it as a common denominator :-) 4) The unavailability of spare parts like this in South Africa. I did not want to take a chance on spending the money for a Maytag replacement coil and have it burn out after a few months and have to go through the whole thing again. As I mentioned, I have been looking for these coils for quite a while - actually close to 2 years. I do believe that the Briggs is a better quality coil. O.K. That's all for now thanks for reading this far. Remember, the original question was: Is Briggs part # 394988 the correct coil for points type ignition? (I think it is). On the box it is packed in it is described as "armature mag." Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From oldengines at bigpond.com Thu Feb 26 00:57:12 2009 From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron Sullivan) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:57:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Olds engine register References: <02DB59914C59422AA0DD8B6721EDB929@peterlowe><91BE903C6EA84F30A67D1090DAE9E502@Young0208> <5C3C38A098384B228B1A0DE0072A7212@peterlowe> Message-ID: <002e01c997f0$37375c50$1c02a8c0@ronliz> Hi Peter That was a big no you should get yourself one instead of those clunking R&V's .Nice smooth and slow running. Ron & Liz Sullivan oldengines at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Olds engine register > Hi Mike > NO, I am not wanting to get into Olds engines, but there is a guy who > contacted me here in Oz that IS interested. > > Peter. > > > > > >> Peter, >> >> I would be interested in knowing myself. I have an interest in them as I >> have two early engines and for a few years anyway was recording serial >> numbers and trying to unravel their secrets - but by no way was/is it a >> register. Olds engines are hard to date exactly as their are no factory >> details that have survived into preservation that I know of. I've >> figured >> out that B prefixed Type A engines are the Olds Gas Power engines with >> the >> trumpet type carb. The early ones didn't have the B pre-fix - e.g. the >> engine featured in TOMM a months or so back was real early but probably >> not >> as old as that guy thinks. The B pre fix engines run from 1905ish to >> 1910. >> After that they became Seager engines and had a serial number with a D >> pre >> fix. I think the later Rumley engines may have had an F pre fix. Some >> of >> this is straight from my memory. If a little bit of knowledge is >> dangerous - >> then thats me - so be warned! Since maybe there is no register, you >> might >> be the man to start one - now that all bar one or two of the R&Vs on the >> planet have been accounted for. What little information I have is yours, >> incl. cattledogs, parts books etc. >> >> Regards, >> >> Mike Young >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Lowe" >> To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:12 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Olds engine register >> >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> Is anyone runnning an Olds Register??? >>> >>> Regards >>> Peter Lowe >>> R&V Engine Registrar >>> Australia >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Feb 26 02:26:57 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:26:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Olds engine register References: <02DB59914C59422AA0DD8B6721EDB929@peterlowe><91BE903C6EA84F30A67D1090DAE9E502@Young0208><5C3C38A098384B228B1A0DE0072A7212@peterlowe> <002e01c997f0$37375c50$1c02a8c0@ronliz> Message-ID: <9A26408CB9B74DFFBAB4750F3CC34B47@peterlowe> Hi Ron An Olds engine might be OK, but I need another Register like I need a hole in the head ;-)) The R&V register database has 37,000 fields of R&V information, sorting and cross referencing keeps me busy. More info arrived in the mail today from various universities and libraries, I am now starting to get the gist of how those Yanks hoard away their archived info.;-)) finally !! Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > Hi Peter > That was a big no > you should get yourself one instead of those clunking R&V's .Nice smooth > and > slow running. > Ron & Liz Sullivan > oldengines at bigpond.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:53 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Olds engine register > > >> Hi Mike >> NO, I am not wanting to get into Olds engines, but there is a guy who >> contacted me here in Oz that IS interested. >> >> Peter. >> >> >> >> >> >>> Peter, >>> >>> I would be interested in knowing myself. I have an interest in them as >>> I >>> have two early engines and for a few years anyway was recording serial >>> numbers and trying to unravel their secrets - but by no way was/is it a >>> register. Olds engines are hard to date exactly as their are no factory >>> details that have survived into preservation that I know of. I've >>> figured >>> out that B prefixed Type A engines are the Olds Gas Power engines with >>> the >>> trumpet type carb. The early ones didn't have the B pre-fix - e.g. the >>> engine featured in TOMM a months or so back was real early but probably >>> not >>> as old as that guy thinks. The B pre fix engines run from 1905ish to >>> 1910. >>> After that they became Seager engines and had a serial number with a D >>> pre >>> fix. I think the later Rumley engines may have had an F pre fix. Some >>> of >>> this is straight from my memory. If a little bit of knowledge is >>> dangerous - >>> then thats me - so be warned! Since maybe there is no register, you >>> might >>> be the man to start one - now that all bar one or two of the R&Vs on the >>> planet have been accounted for. What little information I have is >>> yours, >>> incl. cattledogs, parts books etc. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Mike Young >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Peter Lowe" >>> To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:12 PM >>> Subject: [SEL] Olds engine register >>> >>> >>>> Hi all >>>> >>>> Is anyone runnning an Olds Register??? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Peter Lowe >>>> R&V Engine Registrar >>>> Australia >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Feb 26 08:37:28 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:37:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Back to the Briggs coil In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090226092425.01928e58@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20090226104533.0308ac00@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Jerry, No, you did not. Its not right for the Maytag. The coil listed will work in a Briggs built with points ignition but only after you have disconnected or removed the old points and condenser. It will work in the Briggs I believe because they have a much stronger magnetic field then a Maytag ever hoped to have. And the issue has also been brought up about field polarity. Like I've said before that old "version" coil the one actually built for the points is not made any more. Only available used if you can find one or old left over stock on a shelf somewhere. Now that said, it was suggested by someone that if you were to dig out the electronic board or component out of the coil casing and eliminate it the coil can then work like an old style with points. I can not confirm this, this is just what I was told not to long ago. As for Contacting Bobs Small Engine, Bill Lapolis, Marks Magnetos, Standard Magneto, etc etc, If there was anyone anywhere successfully making or supplying a coil in quantity to work in the Maytag Eisemann Twin, I would know about it. That could not be kept quiet for long. Bobs Small engine is the only one I am aware of that is making them but only a handfull or so thru the winter and the waiting list to get one from him can be up to a couple years if you are lucky. And thats just for his customers. And he turns away many more that never even get on the list simply because he can never meet all the demand and he does not want to peave anyone by putting them on a list where they might wait 5 years to get a coil. This is a problem that has been looked into by many for over 20 years. Currently I am working on trying to get these made. Don't hold your breath! This has been looked into before by many others. The fellow I am working with now said he could make them (easy as pie) back in 2007 and hes still working on it. I can't tell you how many people have said, hell I can get them made, they ask for a junk coil to disect and I never hear from them again or if I do its the same old story. This is a long process and most of the time unsuccessful. Mainly because once a maker sees whats required to make a Maytag Coil (time wise) they decide its too expensive to make them one at a time. Just about anyone contacted that could make them one at a time is going to want $125-$150. each my cost no shipping or mark up yet, if they would even decide to do it. Its a full 8 to 10 hours start to stop on just one coil. And to get them made on machines that do multiples at a time you are begging a major manufacturer and are looking at getting thousands of coils made at once. They will not set a machine up for any less then 1000-2000 coils and then only if you stroke them very nicely. We simply do not have the $$$$ to do that. If we had say $50,000. to dump into this project we might get a manufacturer to look into it then we might have coils inside of 6 months. But we do not and thats where it stands. Anyone got a minimum $50000. maybe even up to $100000. to drop into a low return lots of work project, GRINNNN. To be honest with you If I had the money to spare I would have done it, Just to get coils. But oh well. TTYL, Mark At 10:49 AM 2/26/2009 +0200, you wrote: >Hi All, > Many thanks for all the very useful responses to the original >post. I'm still absorbing everything, however, my original question has not >yet been answered :-) > > I asked if anyone could confirm that I had bought the correct coil >for this Maytag conversion. I DO NOT want to try to fit an electronic coil >(ignition) to the Maytag - I want to try fitting the older Briggs coil (for >points ign) to the Maytag. The coils I have bought are part # 394988 which >as far as I've been able to ascertain is the correct coil for the older >Briggs with points ignition. That's what I was asking for confirmation on. > > What caused the uncertainty in my mind was this post from Mark: > > >Jerry , That part number 394988 coil in the ad comes back as a solid state > >ignition coil not a points ignition coil which is preferrable for your > >use. Mark > > I think that the site he got that info from (Tulsa Warehouse) is >what caused the confusion because they are offering the electronic version >but in small lettering below tout it as "a replacement for 394988 and a few >others". (The Briggs site mentions the same). We have established that >Briggs could be converted from "points ign" to solid state and that point >has been well covered in the posts. > > To recap, I'm NOT trying to convert a Maytag to solid state >ignition - I'm only asking for confirmation that Briggs & Stratton part# >394988 is the older type (not electronic) coil. > > Apologies for any confusion caused but if you read my original >mail you will see that this is all I was asking for. > Many thanks. > > > (The following is in answer to a few other posts - I'll reply > here:) > Someone mentioned not to try testing this type of coil with one >wire disconnected - I'm aware of that but thanks for mentioning it anyway. > Someone mentioned Bobs Small engine - been there but they have no >stock of the Eisemann coils and have not for some time. > Someone else mentioned Bill Lopoulos-Magnetoparts. Also been there >but his Maytag coils are more than double the price of the Briggs coil and >I was also advised by a list member that there have been quite a few >problems with his coils. His page has some very interesting reading >here: > > I decided to try the Briggs coil for the following reasons: > 1) Because of reports that it is a much "better made" coil than >the Maytag coil and more robust. > 2) Good reports from Smokstak forum re the conversion. > 3) Price related to the low value of our local currency. As an >example - the Briggs coils I have just acquired (thanks to Ron Haskell) >came to US$ 40.00 each (before shipping). When converted to our currency it >comes to ZAR 400.00 - I can buy 4 cases (24cans/case) of good beer here for >that price. The Maytag coil from Bill would cost me 8 1/2 cases of the same >beer. (remember also that this is PER COIL - I needed 2 coils and these >prices are before shipping) >(I don't drink much beer anymore - just using it as a common denominator :-) > 4) The unavailability of spare parts like this in South Africa. I >did not want to take a chance on spending the money for a Maytag >replacement coil and have it burn out after a few months and have to go >through the whole thing again. As I mentioned, I have been looking for >these coils for quite a while - actually close to 2 years. I do believe >that the Briggs is a better quality coil. > > O.K. That's all for now thanks for reading this far. > > Remember, the original question was: > Is Briggs part # 394988 the correct coil for points type ignition? >(I think it is). On the box it is packed in it is described as "armature mag." > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com 419.358.5206 Home 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Feb 26 12:04:40 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:04:40 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090226195847.00c3ea20@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 26/02/2009, you wrote: >Message: 13 >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:37:28 -0500 >From: Mark Shulaw >Subject: Re: [SEL] Back to the Briggs coil >To: The SEL email discussion list >Cc: Jerry Evans >Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20090226104533.0308ac00 at pop3.wcoil.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Hi Jerry, >No, you did not. Its not right for the Maytag. The coil listed will work in >a Briggs built with points ignition but only after you have disconnected or >removed the old points and condenser. Thanks Mark, That is the answer I was asking for. It just means I've lost a lot of "Beer Money" but I pay for my mistakes myself . In that case does anyone know the correct part number for the original Briggs coil that was used in their twins before anyone even thought of the solid state ignition? I'll do a bit more research on this side. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Feb 27 10:02:59 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:02:59 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Back to the Briggs coil/Good news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090227193248.01909640@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:04:40 +0200 >From: Jerry Evans >Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25 > >Hi Jerry, > >No, you did not. Its not right for the Maytag. The coil listed will work in > >a Briggs built with points ignition but only after you have disconnected or > >removed the old points and condenser. > >Thanks Mark, > That is the answer I was asking for. It just means I've lost a lot >of "Beer Money" but I pay for my mistakes myself . > > In that case does anyone know the correct part number for the >original Briggs coil that was used in their twins before anyone even >thought of the solid state ignition? > > I'll do a bit more research on this side. > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans Hi Guys, The good news is that the email I've been waiting for from Briggs and Stratton USA has just arrived and they have confirmed that I did not actually waste all that "beer money". It is the correct coil for my intended use. Those 2 Maytags (and coils) will not end up as "boat anchors" after all !! :-) Here is an excerpt from their mail to me: ************ Subject Hello-I restore vintage engines and am trying to get confirmation on the type... My question is: Is part number 394988 the older type of coil that worked with points or was it a solid state coil. Thank you for your help. Jerry Evans in South Africa Discussion Thread Response (Michael-B & S) 02/27/2009 10:29 AM Thank you for inquiring about our products. 394988 is a coil used in conjunction with points and condenser. ************ Oh boy, my beer budget (and 2 Maytags) has/have been saved. (Apologies to Dave!) Thanks again for all the replies to this thread from all you guys. I did learn quite a few things. For all list members who, like me, are not experts on engines, ignitions etc. The Briggs & Stratton website has a lot of very interesting reading especially if you go to the spares section and then customer support and F.A.Q. section. No really technical info but lots of "how things work" articles written in simple non technical language. All Briggs operators and parts manuals are also available for download but be sure to have model numbers and such ready before you go there. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Feb 28 02:51:15 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:51:15 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Pioneer Gen-E-Motor Message-ID: Pulled something out of the shed the other day.I was given a small gen set ,something like a Cooper RV .Badged Pioneer Gen-E-Motor. I beleave it would have had a direct drive early model Briggs on it .As it was given to me itwas pulley driven the original engine crankcase and crank retained....all other bits of the engine gone .Anyone know anything about these gen sets ? I am thinking of adapting a Mk 10 Villiers to the direct drive.. as I think it would be impossible to get the original Briggs engine. From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Feb 28 10:33:10 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:33:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Pioneer Gen-E-Motor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090228200126.00c4aa88@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 28/02/2009, Peter Ogborne wrote: >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:51:15 +0900 >From: "peter ogborne" >Subject: [SEL] Pioneer Gen-E-Motor > >Pulled something out of the shed the other day.I was given a small gen set >,something like a Cooper RV .Badged Pioneer Gen-E-Motor. I beleave it >would have had a direct drive early model Briggs on it .As it was given to >me itwas pulley driven the original engine crankcase and crank >retained....all other bits of the engine gone .Anyone know anything about >these gen sets ? I am thinking of adapting a Mk 10 Villiers to the direct >drive.. as I think it would be impossible to get the original Briggs engine. Hi Peter, Long time no hear. I have one of those direct coupled to a 1946 Briggs & Stratton NP and it is all original. I've had it running but the Briggs needs a rebore - parts are already bought - one of these days I'll get them from the USA. The Briggs N (or in his case NP) was one of the most prolifically manufactured Briggs motors and you should not battle to find one but the Villiers should work fine if you can live with an "American/English" marriage !! :-) (Speaking from memory The "P" in "NP" only denoted that it was a model "P" made specifically for a particular use.) Apart from the rebore needed mine works very well - the pushbutton start is a nice feature. It is called a 12 volt battery charger. Also search for "Pincor" - Pioneer Gen E Motor Corp. changed their name (or label) to Pincor at some stage. Another name to search for is "Blue Diamond". Lots of info on Smokstak and some more on EDGETA/ASECC (sp?). If you need pics or other info I should be able to help (but I'm not an expert). I've also drawn the Pincor decal for printing in anticipation of getting mine finished if you need one. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Feb 28 13:23:34 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:23:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] What engine is it ??? Message-ID: <9057ED1BD6824F46B1EFB1F73A135122@peterlowe> Hi all What is this? http://cgi.ebay.com.au/VINTAGE-STATIONARY-PETROL-ENGINE_W0QQitemZ280317040799QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Business_Industrial_Farming_Agriculture_Farming_Agriculture_Equipment?hash=item280317040799&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 Ebay number 280317040799 Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Feb 28 14:20:37 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:20:37 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Pioneer Gen-E-Motor References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090228200126.00c4aa88@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <143C6D55ED4C4A2E9B35EBA60710449B@acer8ff47bfe9a> Thanks Jerry, a picture of the Briggs engine would be great .It would help me in my search for one....maybe I'll be lucky . I will press ahead with the Villiers conversion anyway .It would not be the first US /Pom marriage. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 3:33 AM Subject: [SEL] Pioneer Gen-E-Motor > At 07:00 PM 28/02/2009, Peter Ogborne wrote: > >>Message: 2 >>Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:51:15 +0900 >>From: "peter ogborne" >>Subject: [SEL] Pioneer Gen-E-Motor >> >>Pulled something out of the shed the other day.I was given a small gen set >>,something like a Cooper RV .Badged Pioneer Gen-E-Motor. I beleave it >>would have had a direct drive early model Briggs on it .As it was given to >>me itwas pulley driven the original engine crankcase and crank >>retained....all other bits of the engine gone .Anyone know anything about >>these gen sets ? I am thinking of adapting a Mk 10 Villiers to the direct >>drive.. as I think it would be impossible to get the original Briggs >>engine. > > Hi Peter, > Long time no hear. > I have one of those direct coupled to a 1946 Briggs & Stratton NP > and it is all original. I've had it running but the Briggs needs a > rebore - > parts are already bought - one of these days I'll get them from the USA. > The Briggs N (or in his case NP) was one of the most prolifically > manufactured Briggs motors and you should not battle to find one but the > Villiers should work fine if you can live with an "American/English" > marriage !! :-) (Speaking from memory The "P" in "NP" only denoted that it > was a model "P" made specifically for a particular use.) > Apart from the rebore needed mine works very well - the pushbutton > start is a nice feature. It is called a 12 volt battery charger. > Also search for "Pincor" - Pioneer Gen E Motor Corp. changed > their name (or label) to Pincor at some stage. Another name to search for > is "Blue Diamond". Lots of info on Smokstak and some more on EDGETA/ASECC > (sp?). > If you need pics or other info I should be able to help (but I'm > not an expert). > I've also drawn the Pincor decal for printing in anticipation of > getting mine finished if you need one. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 14:25:30 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:25:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Pioneer Gen-E-Motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160902281425w3f03da56k18390475d39785ac@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/28 peter ogborne : > Pulled something out of the shed the other day.I was given a small gen set ,something like a Cooper RV .Badged Pioneer Gen-E-Motor. I beleave it would have had a direct drive early model Briggs on it .As it was given to me itwas pulley driven the original engine crankcase and crank retained....all other bits of the engine gone .Anyone know anything about these gen sets ? I am thinking of adapting a Mk 10 Villiers to the direct drive.. as I think it would be impossible to get the original Briggs engine. Made as a Cooper in Oz, BSA in the UK. Johnson Iron Horse and Pioneer Gen-E-Motor in the USA. http://www.asecc.com/data/iron/ We have 5 of the BSA version and two of the Pioneer gen-E-Motor. The Gen-E-Motor version was 12V and 250V output to power Wireless Set No12. I think I posted something here a few weeks or so ago. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rob at rustyiron.com Sun Feb 1 15:57:05 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:57:05 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Reggie Ingold! Message-ID: Reg wants me to tell everyone "hi" and wishes he could do so himself. Apparently it's really warm in Australia right now, and the folks in Canberra have dictated that on warm days, citizens are not allowed to have guns or send email. Reg assures me that as soon as it cools off, he'll be back. Because of Reg's close friendship with Kevin Rudd, he is still allowed to use his computer for Skyping and browsing naughty web pages. If you really need to contact him, you can do so that way Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Feb 2 19:59:53 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 14:59:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics Message-ID: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/portlandauction/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Mon Feb 2 20:23:20 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 23:23:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: looks like a really good auction with alot of sideshafts and a Columbus :) I know if that sale was here in the states I would have been in attendance :) Looks like most of the engines were apart though. Tom Winland Ohio> From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 14:59:53 +1100> Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/portlandauction/index.htm> > > Patrick M Livingstone> Leichhardt NSW> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?:?more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009 From ilifa at internode.on.net Mon Feb 2 20:34:30 2009 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 15:34:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are more pics of the engines here http://www.lowenthalauctions.com.au/pages/galleryView.php?album=49 Eric From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Feb 3 02:47:10 2009 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (page at velocitynet.com.au) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:47:10 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross Register In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1537.121.45.24.16.1233658030.squirrel@webmail.velocity.net.au> Ian Can you contact me off list please. Ron Darwin at the moment From jon at sideshaft.com Tue Feb 3 10:11:11 2009 From: jon at sideshaft.com (Jon Rozevink) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 13:11:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics Message-ID: So does anyone know what these engines brought at the sale? That was probably the best auction of old engines in many years. Thanks Jon Rozevink 1717 East Second St Defiance, Ohio 43512 419-789-1159 www.sideshaft.com From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Feb 3 10:46:33 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 13:46:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gosh Jon, You mean you didn't go and buy some of them! Steve> From: jon at sideshaft.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 13:11:11 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics> > So does anyone know what these engines brought at the sale? That was> probably the best auction of old engines in many years.> > Thanks> Jon Rozevink> 1717 East Second St> Defiance, Ohio 43512> 419-789-1159> www.sideshaft.com> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?:?more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009 From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Feb 3 12:16:32 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 07:16:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1722C984FF7145EE88FA712E1E64BEE1@PML> These prices were listed on the TOMM forum: Lot 9 - Petter Handyman 8hp, $8,500 Lot 15 - Columbus, $42,000 Lot 69 - Kaye, Stawell, $6,000 Lot 71 - Ryder-Ericsson 10 inch, $32,000 Lot 88 - Petter Handyman, Anglo, $7,000 Lot 90 - 2hp Tangye, $20,000 Lot 91 - Olan, $5,000 Lot 8 - Petter S, 21hp, $400 Lot 13 - Hornsby Inboard Shaft, $2,800 Lot 29 - Hall Marine Engine, $250 Lot 79 - Hornsby Petrol 4hp, $2,500 Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- So does anyone know what these engines brought at the sale? That was probably the best auction of old engines in many years. Thanks Jon Rozevink 1717 East Second St Defiance, Ohio 43512 419-789-1159 www.sideshaft.com From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Feb 3 14:15:20 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:15:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: <1722C984FF7145EE88FA712E1E64BEE1@PML> References: <1722C984FF7145EE88FA712E1E64BEE1@PML> Message-ID: <20090203221458.25E12251238@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Patrick what happened to you anyway! I thought you were coming down to the auction with the other boys in your Petrol Ute! Russell At 07:16 AM 4/02/2009, you wrote: >These prices were listed on the TOMM forum: >Lot 9 - Petter Handyman 8hp, $8,500 >Lot 15 - Columbus, $42,000 >Lot 69 - Kaye, Stawell, $6,000 >Lot 71 - Ryder-Ericsson 10 inch, $32,000 >Lot 88 - Petter Handyman, Anglo, $7,000 >Lot 90 - 2hp Tangye, $20,000 >Lot 91 - Olan, $5,000 >Lot 8 - Petter S, 21hp, $400 >Lot 13 - Hornsby Inboard Shaft, $2,800 >Lot 29 - Hall Marine Engine, $250 >Lot 79 - Hornsby Petrol 4hp, $2,500 > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > >-----Original Message----- > > >So does anyone know what these engines brought at the sale? That was >probably the best auction of old engines in many years. > >Thanks >Jon Rozevink >1717 East Second St >Defiance, Ohio 43512 >419-789-1159 >www.sideshaft.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Feb 3 14:33:55 2009 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:33:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: <20090203221458.25E12251238@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> References: <1722C984FF7145EE88FA712E1E64BEE1@PML> <20090203221458.25E12251238@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <9FEB813F8B0740C28DEB817F02C814E4@PML> I was very impressed with the guys putting 65 litres of premium unleaded in my diesel Navara! It would have been nice to get down there but work and home commitments as well as having no engine funds at the moment made it impossible to get down there. It would have been depressing to stand there and not be able to buy anything! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Patrick what happened to you anyway! I thought you were coming down to the auction with the other boys in your Petrol Ute! Russell From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue Feb 3 18:33:50 2009 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:33:50 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: <1722C984FF7145EE88FA712E1E64BEE1@PML> References: <1722C984FF7145EE88FA712E1E64BEE1@PML> Message-ID: <20090203233406.F1A1E228061@md5.pennswoods.net> I wonder what them cost when new?????????????? R Fink PA At 07:16 AM 2/4/2009 +1100, you wrote: >These prices were listed on the TOMM forum: >Lot 9 - Petter Handyman 8hp, $8,500 >Lot 15 - Columbus, $42,000 >Lot 69 - Kaye, Stawell, $6,000 >Lot 71 - Ryder-Ericsson 10 inch, $32,000 >Lot 88 - Petter Handyman, Anglo, $7,000 >Lot 90 - 2hp Tangye, $20,000 >Lot 91 - Olan, $5,000 >Lot 8 - Petter S, 21hp, $400 >Lot 13 - Hornsby Inboard Shaft, $2,800 >Lot 29 - Hall Marine Engine, $250 >Lot 79 - Hornsby Petrol 4hp, $2,500 > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > >-----Original Message----- > > >So does anyone know what these engines brought at the sale? That was >probably the best auction of old engines in many years. > >Thanks >Jon Rozevink >1717 East Second St >Defiance, Ohio 43512 >419-789-1159 >www.sideshaft.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1928 - Release Date: >1/31/2009 8:03 PM From plb at iinet.net.au Tue Feb 3 15:34:44 2009 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:34:44 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: <20090203221458.25E12251238@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> References: <1722C984FF7145EE88FA712E1E64BEE1@PML> <20090203221458.25E12251238@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <013401c98657$fe770720$fb651560$@net.au> He's obviously got one of those dual fuel utes!! Ray -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell Gilbert Sent: Wednesday, 4 February 2009 7:15 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics Patrick what happened to you anyway! I thought you were coming down to the auction with the other boys in your Petrol Ute! Russell At 07:16 AM 4/02/2009, you wrote: >These prices were listed on the TOMM forum: >Lot 9 - Petter Handyman 8hp, $8,500 >Lot 15 - Columbus, $42,000 >Lot 69 - Kaye, Stawell, $6,000 >Lot 71 - Ryder-Ericsson 10 inch, $32,000 >Lot 88 - Petter Handyman, Anglo, $7,000 >Lot 90 - 2hp Tangye, $20,000 >Lot 91 - Olan, $5,000 >Lot 8 - Petter S, 21hp, $400 >Lot 13 - Hornsby Inboard Shaft, $2,800 >Lot 29 - Hall Marine Engine, $250 >Lot 79 - Hornsby Petrol 4hp, $2,500 > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > >-----Original Message----- > > >So does anyone know what these engines brought at the sale? That was >probably the best auction of old engines in many years. > >Thanks >Jon Rozevink >1717 East Second St >Defiance, Ohio 43512 >419-789-1159 >www.sideshaft.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Feb 3 16:21:54 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 19:21:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: <1722C984FF7145EE88FA712E1E64BEE1@PML> References: <1722C984FF7145EE88FA712E1E64BEE1@PML> Message-ID: How about the nice big Crossley, any idea of what it sold for? thanks Steve > From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 07:16:32 +1100> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics> > These prices were listed on the TOMM forum:> Lot 9 - Petter Handyman 8hp, $8,500> Lot 15 - Columbus, $42,000> Lot 69 - Kaye, Stawell, $6,000> Lot 71 - Ryder-Ericsson 10 inch, $32,000> Lot 88 - Petter Handyman, Anglo, $7,000> Lot 90 - 2hp Tangye, $20,000> Lot 91 - Olan, $5,000> Lot 8 - Petter S, 21hp, $400> Lot 13 - Hornsby Inboard Shaft, $2,800> Lot 29 - Hall Marine Engine, $250> Lot 79 - Hornsby Petrol 4hp, $2,500> > Patrick M Livingstone> Leichhardt NSW> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html> > -----Original Message-----> > > So does anyone know what these engines brought at the sale? That was> probably the best auction of old engines in many years.> > Thanks> Jon Rozevink> 1717 East Second St> Defiance, Ohio 43512> 419-789-1159> www.sideshaft.com> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_012009 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Feb 3 06:03:53 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 23:03:53 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics......Dual fuel utes References: <1722C984FF7145EE88FA712E1E64BEE1@PML><20090203221458.25E12251238@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> <013401c98657$fe770720$fb651560$@net.au> Message-ID: How easly this can happen ,did it myself ,only $20 of premium in a Mazda BT50. Drained it straight away ,no damage done . One thing the Mazda has on the Navara , the former has a drain plug . I am told that with the Common Rail Diesel relying on the Diesel fuel to lube the pump, and certain components of the pump being case hardened the lack of lubrication ,ie Petrol can cause expensive damage ......sounds plausable .I am told that the problem of accidental fuel filling is big in Europe with so many passenger Diesel vehicles on the road.......problems with insurance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics > He's obviously got one of those dual fuel utes!! > Ray > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell > Gilbert > Sent: Wednesday, 4 February 2009 7:15 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics > > Patrick what happened to you anyway! I thought you were coming down > to the auction with the other boys in your Petrol Ute! > > Russell > > > > At 07:16 AM 4/02/2009, you wrote: >>These prices were listed on the TOMM forum: >>Lot 9 - Petter Handyman 8hp, $8,500 >>Lot 15 - Columbus, $42,000 >>Lot 69 - Kaye, Stawell, $6,000 >>Lot 71 - Ryder-Ericsson 10 inch, $32,000 >>Lot 88 - Petter Handyman, Anglo, $7,000 >>Lot 90 - 2hp Tangye, $20,000 >>Lot 91 - Olan, $5,000 >>Lot 8 - Petter S, 21hp, $400 >>Lot 13 - Hornsby Inboard Shaft, $2,800 >>Lot 29 - Hall Marine Engine, $250 >>Lot 79 - Hornsby Petrol 4hp, $2,500 >> >>Patrick M Livingstone >>Leichhardt NSW >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >> >>So does anyone know what these engines brought at the sale? That was >>probably the best auction of old engines in many years. >> >>Thanks >>Jon Rozevink >>1717 East Second St >>Defiance, Ohio 43512 >>419-789-1159 >>www.sideshaft.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Feb 3 18:48:55 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 18:48:55 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics Message-ID: <20090203.184855.1320.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Could someone please send the URL for the auction pictures again. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ It's easy to receive faxes via email. Click now to find out how! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2XWlDJf4xiSbbqOpr6OKtG7z60rXaT3s9M6xa2sOObWcrFT/ From ilifa at internode.on.net Tue Feb 3 19:01:57 2009 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:01:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: <20090203.184855.1320.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20090203.184855.1320.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: http://www.lowenthalauctions.com.au/pages/galleryView.php?album=49 On 04/02/2009, at 1:48 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Could someone please send the URL for the auction pictures again. > Thanks. From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Feb 3 19:23:54 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 19:23:54 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics Message-ID: <20090203.192355.1320.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Eric Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:01:57 +1100 Eric Schulz writes: > http://www.lowenthalauctions.com.au/pages/galleryView.php?album=49 ____________________________________________________________ Purify your water with professional water treatment. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2uXsMtDK7VeXlk6k9O3bSrbSimBrCwQKoTYduVtXb4FDQgd/ From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Feb 3 21:20:39 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 00:20:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: <1722C984FF7145EE88FA712E1E64BEE1@PML> Message-ID: Patrick, I think there was some auction "costs" that had to be added to the final amount. Also it should be noted that many of these (especially the rare items) do not have export permits and therefore cannot leave Australia. I would bet the Columbus and Crossley can never have a permit.... Too many folks with a watchful eye on them! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:17 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics These prices were listed on the TOMM forum: Lot 9 - Petter Handyman 8hp, $8,500 Lot 15 - Columbus, $42,000 Lot 69 - Kaye, Stawell, $6,000 Lot 71 - Ryder-Ericsson 10 inch, $32,000 Lot 88 - Petter Handyman, Anglo, $7,000 Lot 90 - 2hp Tangye, $20,000 Lot 91 - Olan, $5,000 Lot 8 - Petter S, 21hp, $400 Lot 13 - Hornsby Inboard Shaft, $2,800 Lot 29 - Hall Marine Engine, $250 Lot 79 - Hornsby Petrol 4hp, $2,500 Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- So does anyone know what these engines brought at the sale? That was probably the best auction of old engines in many years. Thanks Jon Rozevink 1717 East Second St Defiance, Ohio 43512 419-789-1159 www.sideshaft.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Tue Feb 3 22:16:02 2009 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:16:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics References: Message-ID: <29510101F4714E58B74670FB85D3571C@bd32d875216e74> There were no extra costs on any Items that were sold at the Portland Auction. My Son & I were there and also bought an Engine. David Watts ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics > Patrick, > I think there was some auction "costs" that had to be added to > the final amount. Also it should be noted that many of these > (especially the rare items) do not have export permits and therefore > cannot leave Australia. I would bet the Columbus and Crossley can never > have a permit.... Too many folks with a watchful eye on them! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M > Livingstone > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:17 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics > > > These prices were listed on the TOMM forum: > Lot 9 - Petter Handyman 8hp, $8,500 > Lot 15 - Columbus, $42,000 > Lot 69 - Kaye, Stawell, $6,000 > Lot 71 - Ryder-Ericsson 10 inch, $32,000 > Lot 88 - Petter Handyman, Anglo, $7,000 > Lot 90 - 2hp Tangye, $20,000 > Lot 91 - Olan, $5,000 > Lot 8 - Petter S, 21hp, $400 > Lot 13 - Hornsby Inboard Shaft, $2,800 > Lot 29 - Hall Marine Engine, $250 > Lot 79 - Hornsby Petrol 4hp, $2,500 > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > -----Original Message----- > > > So does anyone know what these engines brought at the sale? That was > probably the best auction of old engines in many years. > > Thanks > Jon Rozevink > 1717 East Second St > Defiance, Ohio 43512 > 419-789-1159 > www.sideshaft.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Feb 3 22:46:08 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:46:08 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: <29510101F4714E58B74670FB85D3571C@bd32d875216e74> References: <29510101F4714E58B74670FB85D3571C@bd32d875216e74> Message-ID: <20090204064545.94F0D9002B@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> G'day Tommy, mate the only extra costs I incurred was the beers I had to feed my helpers ! Russell At 05:16 PM 4/02/2009, you wrote: >There were no extra costs on any Items that were sold at the Portland >Auction. >My Son & I were there and also bought an Engine. >David Watts >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:20 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics > > > > Patrick, > > I think there was some auction "costs" that had to be added to > > the final amount. Also it should be noted that many of these > > (especially the rare items) do not have export permits and therefore > > cannot leave Australia. I would bet the Columbus and Crossley can never > > have a permit.... Too many folks with a watchful eye on them! > > > > Tommy Turner > > Magnolia, KY > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M > > Livingstone > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:17 PM > > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics > > > > > > These prices were listed on the TOMM forum: > > Lot 9 - Petter Handyman 8hp, $8,500 > > Lot 15 - Columbus, $42,000 > > Lot 69 - Kaye, Stawell, $6,000 > > Lot 71 - Ryder-Ericsson 10 inch, $32,000 > > Lot 88 - Petter Handyman, Anglo, $7,000 > > Lot 90 - 2hp Tangye, $20,000 > > Lot 91 - Olan, $5,000 > > Lot 8 - Petter S, 21hp, $400 > > Lot 13 - Hornsby Inboard Shaft, $2,800 > > Lot 29 - Hall Marine Engine, $250 > > Lot 79 - Hornsby Petrol 4hp, $2,500 > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > > Leichhardt NSW > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > So does anyone know what these engines brought at the sale? That was > > probably the best auction of old engines in many years. > > > > Thanks > > Jon Rozevink > > 1717 East Second St > > Defiance, Ohio 43512 > > 419-789-1159 > > www.sideshaft.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Feb 4 06:16:36 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:16:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: <20090204064545.94F0D9002B@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> Message-ID: <9FD1C7708C7F48A2ACEAD972993DEA32@tommyd0x52gkco> Yes, but that can add up fast! Tommy Turner G'day Tommy, mate the only extra costs I incurred was the beers I had to feed my helpers ! Russell From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Feb 4 13:46:30 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:46:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] question about oil engines Message-ID: When they refer to an engine like a Hornsby as being an oil engine, what type of oil does it burn? Is it what we would call fuel oil today like Kerosene or No.2 Diesel or is it some less refined petroleum product? Also I read a brief description on how a Hornsby works and it mentioned that the oil was vaporized by coming in contact with a hot surface prior to combustion. Isn't this similar to a semi-diesel? Jim ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Feb 4 14:42:51 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:42:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Lister Junior for sale Message-ID: <2EFD445BF99D44E3B653F574A008CF0B@peterlowe> Hi all My mate in Grafton, NSW, Australia has a Lister Junior for sale, it runs and is only missing the fuel tank and muffler. Anyone interested and wanting photos contact me here OFF LIST plowe at exemail.com.au Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 14:43:05 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 22:43:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] question about oil engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160902041443g437a6a72w8309a5ee543f00da@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/4 Kangas, James G. : > When they refer to an engine like a Hornsby as being an oil engine, what type of oil does it burn? Is it what we would call fuel oil today like Kerosene or No.2 Diesel or is it some less refined petroleum product? > Also I read a brief description on how a Hornsby works and it mentioned that the oil was vaporized by coming in contact with a hot surface prior to combustion. Isn't this similar to a semi-diesel? > Jim Effectively, yes, although the early engines differed in how the actual ignition was achieved. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Feb 4 15:19:53 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:19:53 -0800 Subject: [SEL] question about oil engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60102D11-3528-4E4E-B1D5-10227C346FE4@rustyiron.com> Jim, Oil engine is a rather vague term. The early Hornsbys were "vaporizing oil engines." Engines using that type of ignition used a variety of fuels. Fuel nomenclature has changed over the years, but modern equivalents might be known as kerosene, naphtha and benzine. Interestingly, an engine that was designed to run on a particular fraction of petroleum might not run on another fraction. There's a brief explanation on the web page for our Hornsby: http://engines.rustyiron.com/hornsby I did a more comprehensive, although not nearly all-inclusive article that you can download: http://engines.rustyiron.com/articles/AlternativeFuel.pdf It's in pdf format, several megabytes in size, and will take a few minutes to download. Nevertheless, it includes a little of the history and development of vaporizing oil engines that might answer your questions. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Feb 4, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > When they refer to an engine like a Hornsby as being an oil engine, > what type of oil does it burn? Is it what we would call fuel oil > today like Kerosene or No.2 Diesel or is it some less refined > petroleum product? > Also I read a brief description on how a Hornsby works and it > mentioned that the oil was vaporized by coming in contact with a hot > surface prior to combustion. Isn't this similar to a semi-diesel? > Jim From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Feb 4 15:51:16 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:51:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] question about oil engines References: <60102D11-3528-4E4E-B1D5-10227C346FE4@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Thank you for the explanation and links. Your comment about how particular some engines were about the fuel used does surprise me, as I remember helping a farmer Hay whose tractor could run on Gas or Kerosene. Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Rob Skinner Sent: Wed 2/4/2009 6:19 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] question about oil engines Jim, Oil engine is a rather vague term. The early Hornsbys were "vaporizing oil engines." Engines using that type of ignition used a variety of fuels. Fuel nomenclature has changed over the years, but modern equivalents might be known as kerosene, naphtha and benzine. Interestingly, an engine that was designed to run on a particular fraction of petroleum might not run on another fraction. There's a brief explanation on the web page for our Hornsby: http://engines.rustyiron.com/hornsby I did a more comprehensive, although not nearly all-inclusive article that you can download: http://engines.rustyiron.com/articles/AlternativeFuel.pdf It's in pdf format, several megabytes in size, and will take a few minutes to download. Nevertheless, it includes a little of the history and development of vaporizing oil engines that might answer your questions. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Feb 4, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > When they refer to an engine like a Hornsby as being an oil engine, > what type of oil does it burn? Is it what we would call fuel oil > today like Kerosene or No.2 Diesel or is it some less refined > petroleum product? > Also I read a brief description on how a Hornsby works and it > mentioned that the oil was vaporized by coming in contact with a hot > surface prior to combustion. Isn't this similar to a semi-diesel? > Jim _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From ilifa at internode.on.net Wed Feb 4 16:03:27 2009 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:03:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] question about oil engines In-Reply-To: <60102D11-3528-4E4E-B1D5-10227C346FE4@rustyiron.com> References: <60102D11-3528-4E4E-B1D5-10227C346FE4@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: On 05/02/2009, at 10:19 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > I did a more comprehensive, although not nearly all-inclusive article > that you can download: > http://engines.rustyiron.com/articles/AlternativeFuel.pdf Rob, as you said, "oil" was a very flexible term. In Australia we even had petrol engines referred to as oil engines. It seems that any petroleum product fitted the bill. Had a look at your above article. One think I am curious about is the inclusion of the Australian Jelbart in your photos. I say this because it was a spark ignition engine and the others, with the exception of the Blackstone, are all lamp start. Eric From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Feb 4 18:17:02 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 13:17:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address Message-ID: Hi all Is this still Arnie's address fero_ah at city-net.com it keep bouncing, or is he away? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 4 18:50:13 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:50:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address Message-ID: <151208.70224.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yup Pete. fero_ah at city-net.com This is the email addy he used to post his last message here. Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 2/4/09, Peter Lowe wrote: From: Peter Lowe Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine.org" Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 9:17 PM Hi all Is this still Arnie's address fero_ah at city-net.com it keep bouncing, or is he away? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Feb 4 18:56:30 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 21:56:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address References: Message-ID: <022001c9873d$58e0eba0$66674b47@mikecomp> I use it all the time. Notr the underscore after the o. Fero, Arnie E-mail Address(es): fero_ah at city-net.com MR ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Lowe To: ATIS ; Oldengine.org Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:17 PM Subject: Arnie's address Hi all Is this still Arnie's address fero_ah at city-net.com it keep bouncing, or is he away? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm From george at irontrader.com Wed Feb 4 19:15:49 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:15:49 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address In-Reply-To: <022001c9873d$58e0eba0$66674b47@mikecomp> References: <022001c9873d$58e0eba0$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <000001c98740$0c113200$24339600$@com> I've used that address too, but this morning when I tried it I got a non delivery message back. Don't know if his email host was having technical difficulties at the time or not. In any case I haven't received a message from Arnie today. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 6:57 PM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ATIS Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie's address I use it all the time. Notr the underscore after the o. Fero, Arnie E-mail Address(es): fero_ah at city-net.com MR ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Lowe To: ATIS ; Oldengine.org Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:17 PM Subject: Arnie's address Hi all Is this still Arnie's address fero_ah at city-net.com it keep bouncing, or is he away? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Feb 4 21:53:51 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:53:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address References: <022001c9873d$58e0eba0$66674b47@mikecomp> <000001c98740$0c113200$24339600$@com> Message-ID: I have been getting a bounce from him for days now, the address is as I have it in my address book, been using it for years. I will send one to his Westinghouse address. Peter, Oz > I've used that address too, but this morning when I tried it I got a non > delivery message back. Don't know if his email host was having technical > difficulties at the time or not. In any case I haven't received a message George From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Thu Feb 5 01:58:39 2009 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:58:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] question about oil engines In-Reply-To: References: <60102D11-3528-4E4E-B1D5-10227C346FE4@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: The oil that the early engines used here in England,such as Hornsby,Crossley,Campbell,Petter,etc,etc,All used without exception what we called 'lamp oil'.What you guys call kerosene,we also called it paraffin. They all again without exception were low compression engines that relied on retained heat in the vapouriser to effect ignition. Hornsby claimed to preempt Dr Diesel which was ridiculous but that jealousy still exist to some extent today hear in good old England. Cummins called these engines an interim solution,they were a stop gap till the Diesel was commercially acceptable.they were either too hot or too cold,I would not like to have used them commercially.It was not till later 1910? that the heavier oils such as Gas oil was used.The term Gas oil was used because it was used in gas industry to enrich coal gas.It was what we term today Diesel Fuel.About this time light crude,boiler fuel was used here as well.Semi Diesel is a term that came in around 1910,usually two stroke direct injection engines,with higher pressures,by nowhere near a Diesel.> From: ilifa at internode.on.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:03:27 +1100> Subject: Re: [SEL] question about oil engines> > > On 05/02/2009, at 10:19 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:> > > I did a more comprehensive, although not nearly all-inclusive article> > that you can download:> > http://engines.rustyiron.com/articles/AlternativeFuel.pdf> > Rob, as you said, "oil" was a very flexible term. In Australia we even > had petrol engines referred to as oil engines. It seems that any > petroleum product fitted the bill.> > Had a look at your above article. One think I am curious about is the > inclusion of the Australian Jelbart in your photos. I say this because > it was a spark ignition engine and the others, with the exception of > the Blackstone, are all lamp start.> > Eric> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Love Hotmail?? Check out the new services from Windows Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/132630768/direct/01/ From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Feb 5 04:13:59 2009 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 07:13:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] question about oil engines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7C0B98E49673444FBA507B8051C2CC5D@tommydk7hxjr4h> Thanks John for that explanation. I've often wondered about the terminology used by some of the English builders in regards to the fuel powering their engines. I now know! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of john palmer Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:59 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] question about oil engines The oil that the early engines used here in England,such as Hornsby,Crossley,Campbell,Petter,etc,etc,All used without exception what we called 'lamp oil'.What you guys call kerosene,we also called it paraffin. They all again without exception were low compression engines that relied on retained heat in the vapouriser to effect ignition. Hornsby claimed to preempt Dr Diesel which was ridiculous but that jealousy still exist to some extent today hear in good old England. Cummins called these engines an interim solution,they were a stop gap till the Diesel was commercially acceptable.they were either too hot or too cold,I would not like to have used them commercially.It was not till later 1910? that the heavier oils such as Gas oil was used.The term Gas oil was used because it was used in gas industry to enrich coal gas.It was what we term today Diesel Fuel.About this time light crude,boiler fuel was used here as well.Semi Diesel is a term that came in around 1910,usually two stroke direct injection engines,with higher pressures,by nowhere near a Diesel.> From: ilifa at internode.on.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:03:27 +1100> Subject: Re: [SEL] question about oil engines> > > On 05/02/2009, at 10:19 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:> > > I did a more comprehensive, although not nearly all-inclusive article> > that you can download:> > http://engines.rustyiron.com/articles/AlternativeFuel.pdf> > Rob, as you said, "oil" was a very flexible term. In Australia we even > had petrol engines referred to as oil engines. It seems that any > petroleum product fitted the bill.> > Had a look at your above article. One think I am curious about is the > inclusion of the Australian Jelbart in your photos. I say this because > it was a spark ignition engine and the others, with the exception of > the Blackstone, are all lamp start.> > Eric> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Love Hotmail?? Check out the new services from Windows Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/132630768/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Feb 5 04:24:39 2009 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 12:24:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address In-Reply-To: <000001c98740$0c113200$24339600$@com> References: <022001c9873d$58e0eba0$66674b47@mikecomp> <000001c98740$0c113200$24339600$@com> Message-ID: <498ADA87.6040204@insulate.co.uk> Arnie's on a secret mission in Korea this week, so make sure you don't tell anyone! He can usually receive mail from his Westinghouse address and the city-net one when he's away, so maybe one of City-net's spam filters is being a bit excitable again. Dolly George Best wrote: > I've used that address too, but this morning when I tried it I got a non > delivery message back. Don't know if his email host was having technical > difficulties at the time or not. In any case I haven't received a message > from Arnie today. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mike Royster > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 6:57 PM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; ATIS > Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie's address > > I use it all the time. Notr the underscore after the o. > Fero, Arnie > E-mail Address(es): > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > MR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Lowe > > > Hi all > > Is this still Arnie's address fero_ah at city-net.com it keep bouncing, or is > he away? > > Regards > Peter Lowe > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 5 05:31:11 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:31:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address In-Reply-To: <000001c98740$0c113200$24339600$@com> References: <022001c9873d$58e0eba0$66674b47@mikecomp> <000001c98740$0c113200$24339600$@com> Message-ID: Hi George, 8-)) Arnie On Wed, February 4, 2009 10:15 pm, George Best wrote: > I've used that address too, but this morning when I tried it I got a non > delivery message back. Don't know if his email host was having technical > difficulties at the time or not. In any case I haven't received a message > from Arnie today. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 5 05:43:01 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:43:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address In-Reply-To: <498ADA87.6040204@insulate.co.uk> References: <022001c9873d$58e0eba0$66674b47@mikecomp> <000001c98740$0c113200$24339600$@com> <498ADA87.6040204@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <555e10ec5133bffd510514fb7b740c5a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Its probably the forces of PETA International bouncing his emails cos he's a 'roo eater. 8-)) On Thu, February 5, 2009 7:24 am, Jim French wrote: > Arnie's on a secret mission in Korea this week, so make sure you don't > tell anyone! > He can usually receive mail from his Westinghouse address and the > city-net one when he's away, so maybe one of City-net's spam filters is > being a bit excitable again. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Thu Feb 5 07:24:31 2009 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:24:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] question about oil engines In-Reply-To: References: <60102D11-3528-4E4E-B1D5-10227C346FE4@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hope you don,t mind,but I forgot to say the reason we in Britain went for heavier fuels rather than gasoline was our strict insurance rules,you could not get insurance with gasoline on the premises! There were also strict laws about how much and how it was stored.> From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:58:39 +0000> Subject: Re: [SEL] question about oil engines> > > The oil that the early engines used here in England,such as Hornsby,Crossley,Campbell,Petter,etc,etc,All used without exception what we called 'lamp oil'.What you guys call kerosene,we also called it paraffin. They all again without exception were low compression engines that relied on retained heat in the vapouriser to effect ignition. Hornsby claimed to preempt Dr Diesel which was ridiculous but that jealousy still exist to some extent today hear in good old England. Cummins called these engines an interim solution,they were a stop gap till the Diesel was commercially acceptable.they were either too hot or too cold,I would not like to have used them commercially.It was not till later 1910? that the heavier oils such as Gas oil was used.The term Gas oil was used because it was used in gas industry to enrich coal gas.It was what we term today Diesel Fuel.About this time light crude,boiler fuel was used here as well.Semi Diesel is a term that came in around 1910,usually two stroke direct injection engines,with higher pressures,by nowhere near a Diesel.> From: ilifa at internode.on.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:03:27 +1100> Subject: Re: [SEL] question about oil engines> > > On 05/02/2009, at 10:19 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:> > > I did a more comprehensive, although not nearly all-inclusive article> > that you can download:> > http://engines.rustyiron.com/articles/AlternativeFuel.pdf> > Rob, as you said, "oil" was a very flexible term. In Australia we even > had petrol engines referred to as oil engines. It seems that any > petroleum product fitted the bill.> > Had a look at your above article. One think I am curious about is the > inclusion of the Australian Jelbart in your photos. I say this because > it was a spark ignition engine and the others, with the exception of > the Blackstone, are all lamp start.> > Eric> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> _________________________________________________________________> Love Hotmail? Check out the new services from Windows Live! > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/132630768/direct/01/> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Love Hotmail?? Check out the new services from Windows Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/132630768/direct/01/ From jneth3 at mac.com Thu Feb 5 07:41:24 2009 From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 10:41:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's address In-Reply-To: <555e10ec5133bffd510514fb7b740c5a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <022001c9873d$58e0eba0$66674b47@mikecomp> <000001c98740$0c113200$24339600$@com> <498ADA87.6040204@insulate.co.uk> <555e10ec5133bffd510514fb7b740c5a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <127561619215523645835865377091443784241-Webmail@me.com> If his mailbox is full the system will bounce all mail. John Neth On Thursday, February 05, 2009, at 08:43AM, "Arnie Fero" wrote: >Its probably the forces of PETA International bouncing his emails cos he's a 'roo >eater. 8-)) > >On Thu, February 5, 2009 7:24 am, Jim French wrote: >> Arnie's on a secret mission in Korea this week, so make sure you don't >> tell anyone! >> He can usually receive mail from his Westinghouse address and the >> city-net one when he's away, so maybe one of City-net's spam filters is >> being a bit excitable again. > > > > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rob at rustyiron.com Thu Feb 5 08:24:48 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:24:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] question about oil engines In-Reply-To: References: <60102D11-3528-4E4E-B1D5-10227C346FE4@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <569D33C5-5C13-4711-8D52-36E87ECE2228@rustyiron.com> Hi, John. Clerk is not easy to read, but he knew a lot of stuff. It's interesting that he differentiated fuel by where the crude was pumped out of the ground e.g. Russian, North Sea, etc. It seems the "Cross-Channel" engine rivalry was going strong in the early days. Clerk wrote that although Diesel was on the right track, Diesel didn't understand WHY the high-compression engine had the potential to be better than other engines of the time. It seemed a rather harsh comment to make! Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Feb 5, 2009, at 1:58 AM, john palmer wrote: > Hornsby claimed to preempt Dr Diesel which was ridiculous but that > jealousy still exist to some extent today hear in good old England. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 5 10:05:18 2009 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 12:05:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] question about oil engines References: <60102D11-3528-4E4E-B1D5-10227C346FE4@rustyiron.com> <569D33C5-5C13-4711-8D52-36E87ECE2228@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <005901c987bc$4eac0eb0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > It seems the "Cross-Channel" engine rivalry was going strong in the > early days. Clerk wrote that although Diesel was on the right track, > Diesel didn't understand WHY the high-compression engine had the > potential to be better than other engines of the time. It seemed a > rather harsh comment to make! Did he recommend he take a long walk on a short pier ? chuck From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Feb 5 10:18:58 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:18:58 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 59, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090205194357.00c31e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 05/02/2009, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:58:39 +0000 >From: john palmer >Subject: Re: [SEL] question about oil engines > >The oil that the early engines used here in England,such as >Hornsby,Crossley,Campbell,Petter,etc,etc,All used without exception what >we called 'lamp oil'.What you guys call kerosene,we also called it paraffin. Thanks John for the explanation. For Jim, Regarding the confusion of names "lamp oil"/"paraffin"/"kerosene"/"illuminating paraffin". There was also (later) what the Brits called "tractor vapourising oil" (Shortened to "TVO"), in South Africa it was called "power paraffin", I think the yanks referred to it as "kerosene" (shortened to "kero"). I think this is probably what was used in your friends tractor that "ran on "gas" or "kerosene". "Gas" was used to start it with and once the engine had warmed up it was switched over to (cheaper) kerosene. This was TVO (Britain) or what we in South Africa called Power Paraffin. The carburettor/manifold of engines designed for this usually incorporated some kind of "hot box" to warm the paraffin vapour prior to it entering the combustion chamber. Many stationary engines (such as Lister and Wolseley) and also tractors were available in either Petrol only (Gas to you Yanks) or Petrol/Paraffin (Gas/Kero to you guys) models. The main difference was the addition of the "hotbox" and a 2 compartment fuel tank with a "switchable" 3 way tap to switch between the different fuels. The compression ratio also differed slightly as the Paraffin models used a slightly lower compression ratio but I'm not sure if all manufacturers worried about this. I know that some engine manufacturers just used a thicker cylinder head gasket to achieve this so the difference was probably minimal. Maybe the "Gurus" on this list can set me right there. There is a lot more but that is it "in a nutshell". Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From james.kangas at timken.com Thu Feb 5 12:44:00 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:44:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 59, Issue 5 References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090205194357.00c31e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Thank you Jerry for your response. You're right about paraffin being kerosene over here in the U.S.The first time I heard the term Paraffin I was confused as it's a wax product here and I couldn't see how an engine would run with it. I think it was an old British WW.2 move I saw that finally cleared that up for me. My friend's Tractor was a '38 John Deere. I don't remember if it had a heater box on it but he also had a '21 Fordson that I do remember it having a heater box. I was schooled on that Fordson on the proper method of crank starting and engine. Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Jerry Evans Sent: Thu 2/5/2009 1:18 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 59, Issue 5 At 07:00 PM 05/02/2009, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:58:39 +0000 >From: john palmer >Subject: Re: [SEL] question about oil engines > >The oil that the early engines used here in England,such as >Hornsby,Crossley,Campbell,Petter,etc,etc,All used without exception what >we called 'lamp oil'.What you guys call kerosene,we also called it paraffin. Thanks John for the explanation. For Jim, Regarding the confusion of names "lamp oil"/"paraffin"/"kerosene"/"illuminating paraffin". There was also (later) what the Brits called "tractor vapourising oil" (Shortened to "TVO"), in South Africa it was called "power paraffin", I think the yanks referred to it as "kerosene" (shortened to "kero"). I think this is probably what was used in your friends tractor that "ran on "gas" or "kerosene". "Gas" was used to start it with and once the engine had warmed up it was switched over to (cheaper) kerosene. This was TVO (Britain) or what we in South Africa called Power Paraffin. The carburettor/manifold of engines designed for this usually incorporated some kind of "hot box" to warm the paraffin vapour prior to it entering the combustion chamber. Many stationary engines (such as Lister and Wolseley) and also tractors were available in either Petrol only (Gas to you Yanks) or Petrol/Paraffin (Gas/Kero to you guys) models. The main difference was the addition of the "hotbox" and a 2 compartment fuel tank with a "switchable" 3 way tap to switch between the different fuels. The compression ratio also differed slightly as the Paraffin models used a slightly lower compression ratio but I'm not sure if all manufacturers worried about this. I know that some engine manufacturers just used a thicker cylinder head gasket to achieve this so the difference was probably minimal. Maybe the "Gurus" on this list can set me right there. There is a lot more but that is it "in a nutshell". Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Feb 5 01:10:20 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 18:10:20 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Oil for Oil engines Message-ID: On this subject and the fact that the Oil is what we call Power Kero. I have 40 ltrs of Jet A fuel that I have obtained from my local helicopter service. I intend to use this for a hot tube oil engine that I hope to have complete by 2011 [ next National Rally in Australia after Murray Bridge ] ......question ,will it deteriate before I try to use it? Note I will qualify my idea about using the oil for the engine by saying that by that time I might be living in a cave and want the oil for lighting and cooking........due to to ever increasng financial crisis that is now heading for Depression! From George_Best at adp.com Thu Feb 5 13:25:48 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:25:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 59, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090205194357.00c31e80@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909D43A9D@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I had a 1937 English Fordson for many years. That particular model could be bought as gasoline version, a kerosene version, or fuel oil version. The kerosene and oil versions were started on gasoline and then after the engine warmed up you could switch to the other fuel tank and run on a cheaper fuel. The main difference between the kerosene and oil models was the material the heat exchanger was made out of. I ran mine on diesel after it warmed up. It still used the sparkplug to ignite it as it wasn't a high compression engine. It ran quite well on diesel and actually ran better on diesel than if you tried to run it on gasoline after it warmed up. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kangas, James G. Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:44 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 59, Issue 5 Thank you Jerry for your response. You're right about paraffin being kerosene over here in the U.S.The first time I heard the term Paraffin I was confused as it's a wax product here and I couldn't see how an engine would run with it. I think it was an old British WW.2 move I saw that finally cleared that up for me. My friend's Tractor was a '38 John Deere. I don't remember if it had a heater box on it but he also had a '21 Fordson that I do remember it having a heater box. I was schooled on that Fordson on the proper method of crank starting and engine. Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Jerry Evans Sent: Thu 2/5/2009 1:18 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 59, Issue 5 At 07:00 PM 05/02/2009, you wrote: >Message: 12 >Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:58:39 +0000 >From: john palmer >Subject: Re: [SEL] question about oil engines > >The oil that the early engines used here in England,such as >Hornsby,Crossley,Campbell,Petter,etc,etc,All used without exception >what we called 'lamp oil'.What you guys call kerosene,we also called it paraffin. Thanks John for the explanation. For Jim, Regarding the confusion of names "lamp oil"/"paraffin"/"kerosene"/"illuminating paraffin". There was also (later) what the Brits called "tractor vapourising oil" (Shortened to "TVO"), in South Africa it was called "power paraffin", I think the yanks referred to it as "kerosene" (shortened to "kero"). I think this is probably what was used in your friends tractor that "ran on "gas" or "kerosene". "Gas" was used to start it with and once the engine had warmed up it was switched over to (cheaper) kerosene. This was TVO (Britain) or what we in South Africa called Power Paraffin. The carburettor/manifold of engines designed for this usually incorporated some kind of "hot box" to warm the paraffin vapour prior to it entering the combustion chamber. Many stationary engines (such as Lister and Wolseley) and also tractors were available in either Petrol only (Gas to you Yanks) or Petrol/Paraffin (Gas/Kero to you guys) models. The main difference was the addition of the "hotbox" and a 2 compartment fuel tank with a "switchable" 3 way tap to switch between the different fuels. The compression ratio also differed slightly as the Paraffin models used a slightly lower compression ratio but I'm not sure if all manufacturers worried about this. I know that some engine manufacturers just used a thicker cylinder head gasket to achieve this so the difference was probably minimal. Maybe the "Gurus" on this list can set me right there. There is a lot more but that is it "in a nutshell". Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. 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From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Feb 5 13:48:47 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 08:48:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] More Portland Auction Pics In-Reply-To: <9FD1C7708C7F48A2ACEAD972993DEA32@tommyd0x52gkco> References: <20090204064545.94F0D9002B@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> <9FD1C7708C7F48A2ACEAD972993DEA32@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: <20090205214820.C09E090282@gex-cn02.ncable.net.au> G'day all; I found a little spare time to post some picks of Rob Knights sale. I managed to double up on a few but at least you all can see them, regards Russell : http://community.webshots.com/album/569943280CjKeGv From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 5 14:02:55 2009 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:02:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Oil for Oil engines References: Message-ID: <001001c987dd$80a048c0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > I have 40 ltrs of Jet A fuel that I have obtained from my local > helicopter service. I intend to use this for a hot tube oil engine that I > hope to have complete by 2011 [ next National Rally in Australia after > Murray Bridge ] ......question ,will it deteriate before I try to use it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will be condidered contraband long before it goes bad . Have to guard against condensation though . From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Feb 5 14:03:50 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:03:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Oil for Oil engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F8ACE5CADE244D19BDC9A8BF3FE3386@KerryPC> Peter when I got some Jet A, I was told it would not deteriate in a way that would effect running of kero engines, I was told that the fuel has a shelf life for aircraft when sealed in 200lt (44gl) drums of only 12 months this is because of the chance of moisture ingress causing aircraft engine to fail. Hard to believe when I saw the sealing of the drum but, they must know better. Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz > On this subject and the fact that the Oil is what we call Power Kero. I > have 40 ltrs of Jet A fuel that I have obtained from my local helicopter > service. I intend to use this for a hot tube oil engine that I hope to > have complete by 2011 [ next National Rally in Australia after Murray > Bridge ] ......question ,will it deteriate before I try to use it? > From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Feb 5 18:10:12 2009 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:10:12 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Oil for Oil engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01e701c98800$0b452c30$21cf8490$@net.au> I've had a drum of Jet A stored for 4 or 5 years and it still smells fresh. Whether like petrol smell is an indicator I don't know Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2009 6:10 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Oil for Oil engines On this subject and the fact that the Oil is what we call Power Kero. I have 40 ltrs of Jet A fuel that I have obtained from my local helicopter service. I intend to use this for a hot tube oil engine that I hope to have complete by 2011 [ next National Rally in Australia after Murray Bridge ] ......question ,will it deteriate before I try to use it? Note I will qualify my idea about using the oil for the engine by saying that by that time I might be living in a cave and want the oil for lighting and cooking........due to to ever increasng financial crisis that is now heading for Depression! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From james.kangas at timken.com Thu Feb 5 18:27:28 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 21:27:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oil for Oil engines References: <01e701c98800$0b452c30$21cf8490$@net.au> Message-ID: Do they sell anything like Sta-Bil fuel stabilizer were you live? Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Ray And Erica Freeman Sent: Thu 2/5/2009 9:10 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Oil for Oil engines I've had a drum of Jet A stored for 4 or 5 years and it still smells fresh. Whether like petrol smell is an indicator I don't know Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2009 6:10 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Oil for Oil engines On this subject and the fact that the Oil is what we call Power Kero. I have 40 ltrs of Jet A fuel that I have obtained from my local helicopter service. I intend to use this for a hot tube oil engine that I hope to have complete by 2011 [ next National Rally in Australia after Murray Bridge ] ......question ,will it deteriate before I try to use it? Note I will qualify my idea about using the oil for the engine by saying that by that time I might be living in a cave and want the oil for lighting and cooking........due to to ever increasng financial crisis that is now heading for Depression! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 5 19:48:26 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 21:48:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Charlie Bryant's Friend Clarance Message-ID: Folks when Charlie lived in Kansas City he had a close friend named Clarence. I bought an engine from him years ago and would like to talk to him. I cannot think of his last name nor do I have any contact data for him. If anyone knows who I am talking about and how I can get hold of him I would be grateful for the information. Paul From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Feb 6 04:41:48 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 07:41:48 EST Subject: [SEL] The Blue tarps are going away - SIAM 2009 Message-ID: Keith, Would you contact me off line about the SIAM show? Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick. net/clk;211531132;33070124;e) From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Feb 6 09:40:32 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 12:40:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Charlie Bryant's Friend Clarance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI Paul, I think you are looking for Clarence Lammers, I don't have his contact info but someone on the list will. Steve> From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 21:48:26 -0600> Subject: [SEL] Looking for Charlie Bryant's Friend Clarance> > Folks when Charlie lived in Kansas City he had a close friend named Clarence. I bought an engine from him years ago and would like to talk to him. I cannot think of his last name nor do I have any contact data for him. If anyone knows who I am talking about and how I can get hold of him I would be grateful for the information.> > Paul> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 6 09:58:30 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:58:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Charlie Bryant's Friend Clarance References: Message-ID: <921D170730164A2FB47C7DAD6D1A20F5@PAUL> Thanks Steve, someone else had sent me his information and I just got off of the telephone from talking to him. Well Ole Buddy this morning I loaded up 4 of the 4' long smoker baskets with marinated beef strips and they are on the smoker now as I write this. I put them on and set the temperature at 140 degrees for the 1st hour with no smoke. I turned the strips over after the first 30 minutes. At the end of the first hour I increased the temperature to 160 degrees and added some charcoal and a hickory chunk and they have now been smoking for 2-1/2 hours. I will secure the smoke at 3 hours and raise the temperature to 175 degrees for another 2- to 3 hours or until they are done. I hope they are eatable. I will let you know if I succeed or fail. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for Charlie Bryant's Friend Clarance HI Paul, I think you are looking for Clarence Lammers, I don't have his contact info but someone on the list will. Steve> From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 21:48:26 -0600> Subject: [SEL] Looking for Charlie Bryant's Friend Clarance> > Folks when Charlie lived in Kansas City he had a close friend named Clarence. I bought an engine from him years ago and would like to talk to him. I cannot think of his last name nor do I have any contact data for him. If anyone knows who I am talking about and how I can get hold of him I would be grateful for the information.> > Paul> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Feb 6 13:41:40 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 06:41:40 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Oil for Oil engines References: <01e701c98800$0b452c30$21cf8490$@net.au> Message-ID: Thanks all for your replies........reckon I will leave it in the drum under the bench until required . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Oil for Oil engines > I've had a drum of Jet A stored for 4 or 5 years and it still smells > fresh. > Whether like petrol smell is an indicator I don't know > Ray Freeman > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter > ogborne > Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2009 6:10 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Oil for Oil engines > > On this subject and the fact that the Oil is what we call Power Kero. I > have > 40 ltrs of Jet A fuel that I have obtained from my local helicopter > service. > I intend to use this for a hot tube oil engine that I hope to have > complete > by 2011 [ next National Rally in Australia after Murray Bridge ] > ......question ,will it deteriate before I try to use it? > > Note I will qualify my idea about using the oil for the engine by saying > that by that time I might be living in a cave and want the oil for > lighting > and cooking........due to to ever increasng financial crisis that is now > heading for Depression! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Sat Feb 7 04:39:45 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 23:39:45 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] fires today Message-ID: <1625.218.214.134.238.1234010385.squirrel@www.emeraldscouts.org.au> It was over 40 (116F) here again today and once again we are terrorised by fire here in my state of Victoria. Approximately 30% of our state is either burning or burnt today. Hundreds of homes have been lost and so far fourteen people have been killed. Entire towns are gone. Some fire fronts have reached the Northern suburbs of our capital Melbourne. Many of the fires are arson. Some are from lightning. Several of the biggest ten have moved hundreds of km defying the efforts of fire fighters. We've been very lucky today. There have been several large fires in and around our town. A sleepless night coming up now that the wind has become gusty. Tomorrow a cooler day but gale force winds. Our northern neighbours in New South Wales are in for it tomorrow. Very ironic given the northern most state Queensland has huge areas of flooding. Regards Paul From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Feb 7 13:19:21 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 08:19:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] fires today References: <1625.218.214.134.238.1234010385.squirrel@www.emeraldscouts.org.au> Message-ID: Well Paul, we just refer back to Dorothea Mackellar's poem: "My Country" I love a sunburnt country, A land of sweeping plains, Of ragged mountain ranges, Of droughts and flooding rains. I love her far horizons, I love her jewel-sea, Her beauty and her terror - The wide brown land for me! etc I would not trade it for anything.! Peter, Oz > It was over 40 (116F) here again today and once again we are terrorised by > fire here in my state of Victoria. Approximately 30% of our state is > either burning or burnt today. Hundreds of homes have been lost and so far > fourteen people have been killed. Entire towns are gone. Some fire fronts > have reached the Northern suburbs of our capital Melbourne. > > Many of the fires are arson. Some are from lightning. > > Several of the biggest ten have moved hundreds of km defying the efforts > of fire fighters. > > We've been very lucky today. There have been several large fires in and > around our town. A sleepless night coming up now that the wind has become > gusty. > > Tomorrow a cooler day but gale force winds. Our northern neighbours in New > South Wales are in for it tomorrow. Very ironic given the northern most > state Queensland has huge areas of flooding. > > Regards Paul From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Feb 7 15:41:42 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 08:41:42 +0900 Subject: [SEL] fires today References: <1625.218.214.134.238.1234010385.squirrel@www.emeraldscouts.org.au> Message-ID: <55168C1162554D509CC1B132611FCA2A@acer8ff47bfe9a> Peter and Paul......my thoughts are with you ,times are bad ,fire and flood on top of all our other problems . On the deliberately lit fires ,the same questions will come up again.I have no problem as regards what to do with these people .Unfortunately my punishment would not be acceptable to a lot of people so the next best thing is life ,hard labour and this happens straight away ,it takes precedence in the waiting line for court appearances ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 9:39 PM Subject: [SEL] fires today > It was over 40 (116F) here again today and once again we are terrorised by > fire here in my state of Victoria. Approximately 30% of our state is > either burning or burnt today. Hundreds of homes have been lost and so far > fourteen people have been killed. Entire towns are gone. Some fire fronts > have reached the Northern suburbs of our capital Melbourne. > > Many of the fires are arson. Some are from lightning. > > Several of the biggest ten have moved hundreds of km defying the efforts > of fire fighters. > > We've been very lucky today. There have been several large fires in and > around our town. A sleepless night coming up now that the wind has become > gusty. > > Tomorrow a cooler day but gale force winds. Our northern neighbours in New > South Wales are in for it tomorrow. Very ironic given the northern most > state Queensland has huge areas of flooding. > > Regards Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Feb 7 23:22:50 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 18:22:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT Licence plates Message-ID: Hi Guys I am wanting to complete my USA Licence Plate collection and get all 50 states. If anyone has a good old plate they want to part with let me know. I am after donations first and I will pay postage in Yankee Dollars cash back to you. Please reply OFF LIST ONLY plowe at exemail.com.au that means click on this address and go directly to me, this is not list traffic. I am also after plates from other countries. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/pl8s/USA.htm I do have a lot more plates to add to my web site, some I can some I can't ;-)) wink wink Regards Peter, Oz From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Sun Feb 8 00:59:20 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:59:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] fires today - a map to put the fires in context In-Reply-To: <498E28C9.5080709@steamengine.com.au> References: <498E28C9.5080709@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <498E9EE8.9010805@steamengine.com.au> Someone has created this Google map that puts the fires in context and shows how many of them have joined up. It is said that this is the worst event since European settlement in Victoria over 200 years ago. The state has been declared a disaster area and troops have been mobilised. Fire fighters are moving in from interstate to help. According to emergency radio over 65 people are confirmed dead and over 700 homes have been burnt. Some entire communities have been destroyed. Marysville for example only the fire shelter with most of the community members within was saved. http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=109226935524884968309.00046252015ee6beb4fca&ll=-36.75649,145.129395&spn=2.442569,4.943848&source=embed Our government has been looking for a huge build project to help our economy... I guess they've got it now. Regards Paul From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Feb 8 04:21:29 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:21:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Rutland engine Ebay Message-ID: <72B5E71D71EE4B5BBCB79B32CC2D596E@peterlowe> Hi all Anyone know the history on this engine? http://tinyurl.com/bzq7sq Peter From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Sun Feb 8 04:42:53 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:42:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Rutland engine Ebay In-Reply-To: <72B5E71D71EE4B5BBCB79B32CC2D596E@peterlowe> References: <72B5E71D71EE4B5BBCB79B32CC2D596E@peterlowe> Message-ID: <498ED34D.1070908@steamengine.com.au> Looks like it might have some Southern Cross 'P' heritage. And why not... they copied Lister :). That carb looks like a Zenith - they were fairly popular with small Melbourne manufacturers like Commando. Note I'm not implying any association. I've seen one before - I think at Heyfield National. I looked in my photos but couldn't find a pic. Regards Paul Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all > Anyone know the history on this engine? > > http://tinyurl.com/bzq7sq > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 02/07/09 13:39:00 > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Feb 8 04:32:22 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:32:22 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Aus Fires In-Reply-To: <609DF4F319DA4F96A2E43B9212CD9492@REG> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090208142158.00bdf710@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >To all my Aussie friends, You are all in my thoughts and prayers. Those fires are just too terrible for anyone who has not experienced them to comprehend. I pray that you and yours are all safe. Special thanks and prayers for Brad - I hope you are safe and thank you for what you do. Jerry From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sun Feb 8 06:51:13 2009 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 06:51:13 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Rutland engine Ebay References: <72B5E71D71EE4B5BBCB79B32CC2D596E@peterlowe> Message-ID: Looks very much the same as a Cushman binder engine. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Lowe To: ATIS ; Oldengine.org Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 4:21 AM Subject: Rutland engine Ebay Hi all Anyone know the history on this engine? http://tinyurl.com/bzq7sq Peter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 02/07/09 13:39:00 From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Feb 8 07:01:47 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:01:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Aus Fires References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090208142158.00bdf710@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <000d01c989fe$2a721d70$66674b47@mikecomp> The pictures and videos are beyond anything I could imagine. Be careful, be safe. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Aus Fires > >>To all my Aussie friends, > You are all in my thoughts and prayers. Those fires are just too > terrible for anyone who has not experienced them to comprehend. > I pray that you and yours are all safe. Special thanks and prayers > for Brad - I hope you are safe and thank you for what you do. > Jerry > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Feb 8 13:02:48 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 08:02:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Licence plates Message-ID: <2244283DFAD64D3AA4B6D9FACA3EADAB@peterlowe> To all those who have replied about US plates, make sure they are washed free of road dirt as our customs will not let them in if they are. Regards Peter From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 8 14:11:43 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 16:11:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Licence plates References: <2244283DFAD64D3AA4B6D9FACA3EADAB@peterlowe> Message-ID: <4C29D92551F946C08CE86A595833764B@PAUL> Peter do you have one for Arkansas? If not I will try and get you one. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 3:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Licence plates > To all those who have replied about US plates, make sure they are washed > free of road dirt as our customs will not let them in if they are. > > Regards > Peter > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Feb 8 14:18:23 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 07:18:23 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Aus Fires References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090208142158.00bdf710@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <000d01c989fe$2a721d70$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: I am sure I can speak for many of us Mike and Jerry , thanks it is beyond belief what has happened .Although I am thousands of km's from this it is so sobering and I am lost for words . Some of the scenes on tv are like the end of the world ,terrible. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; ; Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Aus Fires > The pictures and videos are beyond anything I could imagine. Be careful, > be > safe. > > MR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Evans" > To: ; ; > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 7:32 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Aus Fires > > >> >>>To all my Aussie friends, >> You are all in my thoughts and prayers. Those fires are just too >> terrible for anyone who has not experienced them to comprehend. >> I pray that you and yours are all safe. Special thanks and >> prayers >> for Brad - I hope you are safe and thank you for what you do. >> Jerry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ilifa at internode.on.net Sun Feb 8 14:44:53 2009 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 09:44:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Rutland engine Ebay In-Reply-To: <72B5E71D71EE4B5BBCB79B32CC2D596E@peterlowe> References: <72B5E71D71EE4B5BBCB79B32CC2D596E@peterlowe> Message-ID: <4A12D124-86FB-4B1F-9E44-F87A1FFA72A2@internode.on.net> > Anyone know the history on this engine? Primary source information is hard to come by, but I have been told that the Rutland engine was based on the design of the Robinson engine built at Warrnambool, Vic. At least one of those exists. Rutland Engineering Co P/L were at 380 Bourke St, Melbourne and made dairy equipment. It is possible that only about 45 engines were built. It is also suggested that Ronaldson Bros & Tippett bought the firm in the early 1920's to get their milking machine. The carburettor is a Schebler. Eric From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Feb 8 15:55:27 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 17:55:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-22009208235527890@earthlink.net> I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days ago but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast brass tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. Anyone have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only find one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single coil is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page via this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Feb 8 16:48:20 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:48:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-22009208235527890@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000601c98a50$1b03f230$66674b47@mikecomp> Ahhhhhhhh, I am so jealous!!! I have always wanted one of those! More pictures as you go please!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:55 PM Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine >I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days ago > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast brass > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. Anyone > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only find > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single coil > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page via > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Feb 8 16:48:11 2009 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:48:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-22009208235527890@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <573A70650AA549CA96C13B76B950C3C3@YOURDA6F5028CB> Does your engine have both pistons reaching top dead center at the same time (two crank pins @ 180 deg), or one at the top and the other at the bottom (one crank pin, 360 deg. crank) ? Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:55 PM Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine >I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days ago > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast brass > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. Anyone > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only find > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single coil > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page via > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 02/06/09 17:28:00 From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Feb 8 17:08:24 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:08:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-22009219182462@earthlink.net> they both hit tdc at the same time. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Skip Cleveland > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/8/2009 6:48:03 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Does your engine have both pistons reaching top dead center at the same time > (two crank pins @ 180 deg), or one at the top and the other at the bottom > (one crank pin, 360 deg. crank) ? > Skip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:55 PM > Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > >I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days ago > > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast brass > > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. Anyone > > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only find > > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single coil > > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page via > > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 > > > > Tim Christoff > > Basehor Kansas > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 02/06/09 > 17:28:00 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Feb 8 17:10:42 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:10:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-2200921911042609@earthlink.net> Well heck Mike, just hold back on the booze a bit and you could save enough up for one. Wait a min. what am I saying, you Oyster boys are rich from everything I have heard and seen, just go and buy one. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Mike Royster > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/8/2009 6:46:11 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Ahhhhhhhh, I am so jealous!!! I have always wanted one of those! More > pictures as you go please!! > > MR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:55 PM > Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > >I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days ago > > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast brass > > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. Anyone > > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only find > > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single coil > > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page via > > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 > > > > Tim Christoff > > Basehor Kansas > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Feb 8 18:21:31 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 21:21:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-2200921911042609@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000f01c98a5d$1f283490$66674b47@mikecomp> You obviously have me confused with my evil scotch swilling land baron rich builder brother.teve!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > Well heck Mike, just hold back on the booze a bit and you could save > enough > up for one. Wait a min. what am I saying, you Oyster boys are rich from > everything I have heard and seen, just go and buy one. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Mike Royster >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 2/8/2009 6:46:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine >> >> Ahhhhhhhh, I am so jealous!!! I have always wanted one of those! More >> pictures as you go please!! >> >> MR >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Christoff" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:55 PM >> Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine >> >> >> >I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days ago >> > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast >> > brass >> > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. Anyone >> > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only > find >> > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single > coil >> > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page via >> > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 >> > >> > Tim Christoff >> > Basehor Kansas >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Sun Feb 8 18:37:40 2009 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:37:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-22009208235527890@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <007001c98a5f$60fefe60$0201010a@JBCooper> Hi Tim, I have recently been given a New Way sales catalogue from the John Deere Plow Co. Omaha, Sioux Falls in mint condition approximately 1911 edition. Your engine is listed almost identical to the picture you supplied. There is also a similar engine in a club near here and also a single cylinder one in the area. Have fun, John Cooper, Bega Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 AM Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days ago > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast brass > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. Anyone > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only find > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single coil > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page via > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: 02/08/09 17:57:00 From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Feb 8 18:52:38 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 20:52:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-2200921925238125@earthlink.net> You sure about that Mike? I seem to remember one night ( I remember it well) in the low rent district, you had a certain Canadains (female) shoe tipped up to your mouth as liquid was pouring out and down your throat. shortly there after if memory serves me correctly, you decided to enter your brother Steves tent and....well......I can only say...well...I really can't say since this is a family list. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Mike Royster > > You obviously have me confused with my evil scotch swilling land baron rich > builder brother.teve!!!! > From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Feb 8 18:55:35 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 20:55:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-2200921925535968@earthlink.net> Hi John, is that the D-11 catolog? Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: John & Beryl Cooper > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/9/2009 6:37:10 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Hi Tim, > I have recently been given a New Way sales catalogue from the John Deere > Plow Co. Omaha, Sioux Falls in mint condition approximately 1911 edition. > Your engine is listed almost identical to the picture you supplied. There is > also a similar engine in a club near here and also a single cylinder one in > the area. > Have fun, > John Cooper, > Bega Australia. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 AM > Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > > > > I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days ago > > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast brass > > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. Anyone > > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only find > > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single coil > > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page via > > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 > > > > Tim Christoff > > Basehor Kansas > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: 02/08/09 > 17:57:00 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Feb 8 19:09:39 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 22:09:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-2200921925238125@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <01a101c98a63$d89aaa60$66674b47@mikecomp> Tim, you were obviously impaired, vision or otherwise! I was an innocent victim, sleeping soundly in my tent when the Canadian Banshee went on the rampage and was searching for my brother and his bottle of elixir. Like you, I am just a happy simple, normal person. Except you have a New Way twin you dog!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > You sure about that Mike? I seem to remember one night ( I remember it > well) in the low rent district, you had a certain Canadains (female) shoe > tipped up to your mouth as liquid was pouring out and down your throat. > shortly there after if memory serves me correctly, you decided to enter > your brother Steves tent and....well......I can only say...well...I really > can't say since this is a family list. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Mike Royster >> >> You obviously have me confused with my evil scotch swilling land baron > rich >> builder brother.teve!!!! >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sun Feb 8 19:41:17 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 21:41:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-2200921934117671@earthlink.net> > Tim, you were obviously impaired, vision or otherwise! This is very possiable >I was an innocent victim, Sorry Mike, that's a hard one to swallow >sleeping soundly in my tent when the Canadian Banshee went on the > rampage and was searching for my brother and his bottle of elixir. That I do remember but it was latter in the morning, we could always check with Leroy to be sure though > Like you, I am just a happy simple, normal person. Except you have a New Way > twin you dog!!!! Yes, I do don't I! Tim Christoff Basehor, KS. > MR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > > You sure about that Mike? I seem to remember one night ( I remember it > > well) in the low rent district, you had a certain Canadains (female) shoe > > tipped up to your mouth as liquid was pouring out and down your throat. > > shortly there after if memory serves me correctly, you decided to enter > > your brother Steves tent and....well......I can only say...well...I really > > can't say since this is a family list. > > > > Tim Christoff > > Basehor Kansas > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Mike Royster > >> > >> You obviously have me confused with my evil scotch swilling land baron > > rich > >> builder brother.teve!!!! > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Feb 8 20:11:09 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:11:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Licence plates Message-ID: <63017957420A4301B406987730120256@peterlowe> Hi all For those who have volunteer plates to my collection and to anything else engine related it might be worth knowing this as far as postage goes. Most people do not know that you can post things like plate aluminium (aluminum), steel, gaskets, books, etc etc as long as it is not thicker than 20mm (3/4") and weight not more 500grams (1.1lbs) it can go as a large letter $1.10 in Australia There are allot of ways you can save money if you know your postmaster well like I do or study the Australia Post web site. http://www.auspost.com.au/ For those sending one plate from the USA, try a large stiff envelope and ask your post office. The USPS web site mentions that an envelope can't be rigid ?? different to here. So that might be a restriction to cheap postage, but ask for the cheapest airmail to Oz. The US licence plate length may also beat you for letter size posting ??. I try all ways of reducing postage costs by looking at the fine print. Sometimes an Express Post Bag is cheaper for long distance in Oz up to 3Kg, cheaper by $4 in some cases to putting something in a box. Because our dollar has crashed again, getting stuff from UK or USA is now expensive again, so any reduction is good. Do your homework guys and save money to spend on engines. My $0.02 worth Peter, oz From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Feb 8 20:31:40 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:31:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-2200921934117671@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <057e01c98a6f$4da32430$66674b47@mikecomp> And back to our original post, I am still JEALOUS!!!!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > >> Tim, you were obviously impaired, vision or otherwise! > > This is very possiable > > >>I was an innocent victim, > > Sorry Mike, that's a hard one to swallow > >>sleeping soundly in my tent when the Canadian Banshee went on the >> rampage and was searching for my brother and his bottle of elixir. > > That I do remember but it was latter in the morning, we could always check > with Leroy to be sure though > >> Like you, I am just a happy simple, normal person. Except you have a New > Way >> twin you dog!!!! > > Yes, I do don't I! > > Tim Christoff > Basehor, KS. > >> MR >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Christoff" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine >> >> >> > You sure about that Mike? I seem to remember one night ( I remember it >> > well) in the low rent district, you had a certain Canadains (female) > shoe >> > tipped up to your mouth as liquid was pouring out and down your throat. >> > shortly there after if memory serves me correctly, you decided to enter >> > your brother Steves tent and....well......I can only say...well...I > really >> > can't say since this is a family list. >> > >> > Tim Christoff >> > Basehor Kansas >> > >> > >> >> [Original Message] >> >> From: Mike Royster >> >> >> >> You obviously have me confused with my evil scotch swilling land baron >> > rich >> >> builder brother.teve!!!! >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Sun Feb 8 22:33:56 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:33:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Aus Fires In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090208142158.00bdf710@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <000d01c989fe$2a721d70$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <498FCE54.8050007@steamengine.com.au> We must not forget it isn't over yet. The fires are still burning. Communities are still under threat. Two towns from me (7km) in Gembrook they are on high alert. More people have been found dead today. The toll is huge. One commentator made the point today that we've lost more people to this fire than we did in the Vietnam war. Scary. The way I've pasted this the links should not come through. If they do - please don't go to them to keep the site clear for those in danger. If anyone wants detailed information contact me off list. I check the alerts every 15 minutes now that one fire is nearby and the wind blowing in this direction - I'll be more than happy to send the full text off list. Regards Paul Below are the current alerts from the fireys.... Urgent Threat Message - Yea- Murrindindi Fire (formerly Murrindindi Mill Fire), 4.45pm 09/02/2009 Urgent Threat Message for communities of Connellys Creek, Acheron, Crystal Creek, Crystal Creek Road, Scrubby Creek and along Wharregarwen Road Urgent Threat Message - Beechworth Fire (Bruarong), 3.00pm 09/02/2009 Urgent Threat Message for areas of Bruarong, Dederang, Gundowring, Gundowring Upper, Kancoona, Kancoona Sth, Coral Bank, Glen Creek & Running Creek Urgent Threat Message - Churchill Jeering Fire, 4.15pm 09/02/2009 Urgent Threat Message Urgent Threat Message - Toolangi Fire, 2.30pm 09/02/2009 Urgent Threat Message for communities of Toolangi Urgent Threat Message - Redesdale-Coliban Park Road Fire, 12.30pm 09/02/2009 Urgent Threat Message for communities near Burke & Wills Track and Glenhope Alert Message - Churchill-Jeeralang (Glendonald Road) Fire, 4.30pm 09/02/2009 Alert Message for residents in the Won Wron and Carrajung area Alert Message - Bunyip Ridge Fire, 3.05pm 09/02/2009 Alert Message for communities in the area of Caraway Drive, East Beenak Rd to the Pack track in Gembrook Alert Message Kilmore East Fire, 2.00pm 09/02/2009 Alert Message for communities in Goulburn River Valley between Yea & Seymour Alert Message - Beechworth Fire (Stanley), 3.00pm 09/02/2009 Alert Message for communities of Stanley, Yackandandah, Eskdale & Little Snowy Creek Alert Message Redesdale-Coliban Park Road Fire (Baynton and other communities) 9.30am 09/02/2009 Alert Message for the communities of Baynton, Glenhope, Redesdale and Mia Mia Alert Message - Redesdale-Coliban Park Road Fire (Glenhope community), 3.00pm 09/02/2009 Alert Message for the communities of Glenhope and in the areas of Boyers Rd, Haries Lane, Buntings Rd and Coombe Lane Alert Message - residents of Healesville, Yarra Glen and Chum Creek, 3.00pm 09/02/2009 Alert Message peter ogborne wrote: > I am sure I can speak for many of us Mike and Jerry , thanks it is beyond > belief what has happened .Although I am thousands of km's from this it is so > sobering and I am lost for words . Some of the scenes on tv are like the end > of the world ,terrible. > From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Sun Feb 8 23:31:58 2009 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:31:58 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Aus Fires References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090208142158.00bdf710@mail.cyberserv.co.za><000d01c989fe$2a721d70$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <008d01c98a88$7e2bb9f0$210110ac@Chester> I, like Peter are thousands of kms away, the news reports show the devestation of property and worse the loss of lives, although we cant physically help, i know everyone is thinking of our fellow aussies, it makes you sit back & take a look at what is important in life, all the best, Chester Smith. ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Aus Fires >I am sure I can speak for many of us Mike and Jerry , thanks it is beyond > belief what has happened .Although I am thousands of km's from this it is > so > sobering and I am lost for words . Some of the scenes on tv are like the > end > of the world ,terrible. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Royster" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; > ; > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:01 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Aus Fires > > >> The pictures and videos are beyond anything I could imagine. Be careful, >> be >> safe. >> >> MR >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry Evans" >> To: ; ; >> >> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 7:32 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Aus Fires >> >> >>> >>>>To all my Aussie friends, >>> You are all in my thoughts and prayers. Those fires are just too >>> terrible for anyone who has not experienced them to comprehend. >>> I pray that you and yours are all safe. Special thanks and >>> prayers >>> for Brad - I hope you are safe and thank you for what you do. >>> Jerry >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Mon Feb 9 02:14:27 2009 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:14:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-2200921925535968@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003001c98a9f$30de7bd0$0201010a@JBCooper> Hi Tim, Correct, that is the D11 catalogue. Regards, John Cooper,\. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Hi John, is that the D-11 catolog? > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> [Original Message] >> From: John & Beryl Cooper >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 2/9/2009 6:37:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine >> >> Hi Tim, >> I have recently been given a New Way sales catalogue from the John Deere >> Plow Co. Omaha, Sioux Falls in mint condition approximately 1911 edition. >> Your engine is listed almost identical to the picture you supplied. There > is >> also a similar engine in a club near here and also a single cylinder one > in >> the area. >> Have fun, >> John Cooper, >> Bega Australia. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Christoff" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 AM >> Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine >> >> >> > >> > I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days >> > ago >> > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast >> > brass >> > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. Anyone >> > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only > find >> > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single > coil >> > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page via >> > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 >> > >> > Tim Christoff >> > Basehor Kansas >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: > 02/08/09 >> 17:57:00 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: 02/08/09 17:57:00 From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Feb 9 02:52:44 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:52:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Licence plates Message-ID: For those who have promised plates I will change the white text to black on my web site so we do not double up. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/pl8s/USA.htm Hit the refresh button on your browser if you still see NC & KY in white, they should be black. Thanks Mike & Elden. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Feb 9 03:31:37 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 04:31:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Licence plates In-Reply-To: <2244283DFAD64D3AA4B6D9FACA3EADAB@peterlowe> References: <2244283DFAD64D3AA4B6D9FACA3EADAB@peterlowe> Message-ID: G'day Peter; How 'bout Rust. I have an ole truck "Farm" plate that is all rusted up but readable. Farm plates were used by farmers on their vehicles that were mainly used on the farm and rarely taken out on the highway. They were a lot cheaper, but not available anymore. Regarding the Montana plates you have, the first number represents the County in Montana. 1P (meaning passenger, a T would mean truck) being Silverbow county in which good ole Butte resides and the 3 being Yellowstone county in which Billings resides. I've been saving the rusted one for ya for years now. Now I just need to find it. and I'll keep my eye out as several antique shops have them around here. RickinMt. Subject: [SEL] Licence plates > To all those who have replied about US plates, make sure they are washed > free of road dirt as our customs will not let them in if they are. From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Feb 9 03:49:16 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 22:49:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Licence plates References: <2244283DFAD64D3AA4B6D9FACA3EADAB@peterlowe> Message-ID: <3DFF9DF25EA14BABBA8F04E0DBE0DB17@peterlowe> Hi Rick OK that sounds good mate. Do not go out and buy these plates, I can do that via Ebay. I am just after plates that people might have that they have no use (FREE) and I pay postage. Regards Peter > G'day Peter; > How 'bout Rust. I have an ole truck "Farm" plate that is all rusted up > but readable. Farm plates were used by farmers on their vehicles that > were mainly used on the farm and rarely taken out on the highway. They > were a lot cheaper, but not available anymore. > > Regarding the Montana plates you have, the first number represents the > County in Montana. 1P (meaning passenger, a T would mean truck) being > Silverbow county in which good ole Butte resides and the 3 being > Yellowstone county in which Billings resides. > > I've been saving the rusted one for ya for years now. Now I just need to > find it. > > and I'll keep my eye out as several antique shops have them around here. > > RickinMt. > > > Subject: [SEL] Licence plates > > >> To all those who have replied about US plates, make sure they are washed >> free of road dirt as our customs will not let them in if they are. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Feb 9 03:57:34 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 04:57:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Licence plates In-Reply-To: <2244283DFAD64D3AA4B6D9FACA3EADAB@peterlowe> <3DFF9DF25EA14BABBA8F04E0DBE0DB17@peterlowe> References: <2244283DFAD64D3AA4B6D9FACA3EADAB@peterlowe> <3DFF9DF25EA14BABBA8F04E0DBE0DB17@peterlowe> Message-ID: So Rust is ok Peter? I can see the dirt thing. Don't want that apple maggot getting around the world like they have in the Northwest :-) The one antique shop I'm thinking about, would prolly give them to me if he still has them. From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Feb 9 08:28:43 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:28:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Licence plates In-Reply-To: <2244283DFAD64D3AA4B6D9FACA3EADAB@peterlowe> Message-ID: Peter: Gotcha! I'm warming the autoclave as I write. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Peter Lowe > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 03:03 PM > To: ATIS; Oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Licence plates > > > To all those who have replied about US plates, > make sure they are washed free of road dirt as > our customs will not let them in if they are. > > Regards > Peter From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Feb 9 07:38:00 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:38:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Licence plates In-Reply-To: <63017957420A4301B406987730120256@peterlowe> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20090209101458.02196e30@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi, There are different rates of course depending on the package. Envelopes that are flexible thus able to run thru their automatic sorting machines goes for a slightly cheaper rate. The same envelope but STIFF, non machinable. Goes at a surcharge rate, not shown on any of their charts on-line that I have ever seen. But its appears on the screens at the post office when they punch in a code for non machinable envelope. So you can mail a stiff envelope they just charge you more. Its usually only a small amount more. Yes you have to ask for the cheapest rate or else they will default to a higher rate, I've seen them quote Priority Mail for envelopes. If you don't fuss thats what you will pay for. If you fuss then they will go down the line till you quit fussing or they reach the cheapest and can't go any further. There are other hidden surcharge rates that does not show up on the screen, like packages not of cardboard, UPS does this same thing, a surcharge for items packaged in plastic, wood or metal crates or containers. You will not find this one on the regular rates page when calculating postage. This one will cost you $5.00 more. Mark At 03:11 PM 2/9/2009 +1100, you wrote: >For those sending one plate from the USA, try a large stiff envelope and >ask your post office. The USPS web site mentions that an envelope can't be >rigid ?? different to here. So that might be a restriction to cheap >postage, but ask for the cheapest airmail to Oz. The US licence plate >length may also beat you for letter size posting ??. >I try all ways of reducing postage costs by looking at the fine print. Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com 419.358.5206 Home 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Feb 9 08:05:41 2009 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:05:41 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Starting a 1953 Lister JP2 in royalty class motor boat Victoria Message-ID: <002801c98ad0$42dd4d80$3a290556@intrepid> I spotted this on the UK narrowboat group & thought it might be near enough subject to interest some of you! If you can view it in high definition it looks good. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Askin said Hi Folks, I've been doing some more filming on Sunday, and this is the result: http://www.vimeo.com/3134959 (Watch it in HD if you are able - if it's not already click the "HD is Off" button to turn it on, and make it full screen (the arrows that look like an X bottom right). Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Feb 9 08:37:28 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:37:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine In-Reply-To: <01a101c98a63$d89aaa60$66674b47@mikecomp> References: <410-2200921925238125@earthlink.net> <01a101c98a63$d89aaa60$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: "Canadian Banshee" ?!?!?! Bwahahahahaha!!!! BTW, whatever happened to "What happens at Portland, Stays at Portland"? And if I recall correctly the events of the evening in question (and there may be some debate regarding that, as I think I had partaken of a wee dram or two of that elixir myself), I think the "Canadian Banshee" was searching for the elixir. Your poor brother just happened to be in the way. 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - Judging by the sounds that came out of that tent, I think Steve surrendered. PPS - Mike, I think you NEED one of those pretty New Way Twins. On Sun, February 8, 2009 10:09 pm, Mike Royster wrote: > Tim, you were obviously impaired, vision or otherwise! I was an innocent > victim, sleeping soundly in my tent when the Canadian Banshee went on the > rampage and was searching for my brother and his bottle of elixir. Like > you, I am just a happy simple, normal person. Except you have a New Way > twin you dog!!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > >> You sure about that Mike? I seem to remember one night ( I remember it >> well) in the low rent district, you had a certain Canadains (female) shoe >> tipped up to your mouth as liquid was pouring out and down your throat. >> shortly there after if memory serves me correctly, you decided to enter >> your brother Steves tent and....well......I can only say...well...I really >> can't say since this is a family list. >> >>> [Original Message] >>> From: Mike Royster >>> >>> You obviously have me confused with my evil scotch swilling land baron >>> rich builder brother.teve!!!! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Feb 9 09:01:04 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:01:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine In-Reply-To: References: <410-2200921925238125@earthlink.net> <01a101c98a63$d89aaa60$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: All I remember was the screaming!! Then my elixer disappeared! Then My brother disappeared. Then the screaming stopped! Somehow my tent got really wet. Somehow my head really hurt!!! Never camped in the low rent district after that. Someone should have warned me about the Canadian Banshee! Steve, the good oyster! > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:37:28 -0500> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine> > "Canadian Banshee" ?!?!?! Bwahahahahaha!!!!> > BTW, whatever happened to "What happens at Portland, Stays at Portland"?> > And if I recall correctly the events of the evening in question (and there may be> some debate regarding that, as I think I had partaken of a wee dram or two of that> elixir myself), I think the "Canadian Banshee" was searching for the elixir. Your> poor brother just happened to be in the way. 8-))> > See ya, Arnie> > PS - Judging by the sounds that came out of that tent, I think Steve surrendered.> PPS - Mike, I think you NEED one of those pretty New Way Twins.> > On Sun, February 8, 2009 10:09 pm, Mike Royster wrote:> > Tim, you were obviously impaired, vision or otherwise! I was an innocent> > victim, sleeping soundly in my tent when the Canadian Banshee went on the> > rampage and was searching for my brother and his bottle of elixir. Like> > you, I am just a happy simple, normal person. Except you have a New Way> > twin you dog!!!!> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "Tim Christoff" > >> >> You sure about that Mike? I seem to remember one night ( I remember it> >> well) in the low rent district, you had a certain Canadains (female) shoe> >> tipped up to your mouth as liquid was pouring out and down your throat.> >> shortly there after if memory serves me correctly, you decided to enter> >> your brother Steves tent and....well......I can only say...well...I really> >> can't say since this is a family list.> >>> >>> [Original Message]> >>> From: Mike Royster > >>>> >>> You obviously have me confused with my evil scotch swilling land baron> >>> rich builder brother.teve!!!!> > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is> believed to be clean.> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 From oldengin at verizon.net Mon Feb 9 09:21:24 2009 From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 12:21:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-2200921925238125@earthlink.net> <01a101c98a63$d89aaa60$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <002401c98ada$d66a3cc0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> All I remember are the lights, sirens and the twenty questions from the police......... nuff said!! Leroy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine All I remember was the screaming!! Then my elixer disappeared! Then My brother disappeared. Then the screaming stopped! Somehow my tent got really wet. Somehow my head really hurt!!! Never camped in the low rent district after that. Someone should have warned me about the Canadian Banshee! Steve, the good oyster! > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:37:28 -0500> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To: > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine> > > "Canadian Banshee" ?!?!?! Bwahahahahaha!!!!> > BTW, whatever happened to > "What happens at Portland, Stays at Portland"?> > And if I recall > correctly the events of the evening in question (and there may be> some > debate regarding that, as I think I had partaken of a wee dram or two of > that> elixir myself), I think the "Canadian Banshee" was searching for the > elixir. Your> poor brother just happened to be in the way. 8-))> > See ya, > Arnie> > PS - Judging by the sounds that came out of that tent, I think > Steve surrendered.> PPS - Mike, I think you NEED one of those pretty New > Way Twins.> > On Sun, February 8, 2009 10:09 pm, Mike Royster wrote:> > > Tim, you were obviously impaired, vision or otherwise! I was an innocent> > > victim, sleeping soundly in my tent when the Canadian Banshee went on > the> > rampage and was searching for my brother and his bottle of elixir. > Like> > you, I am just a happy simple, normal person. Except you have a > New Way> > twin you dog!!!!> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: > "Tim Christoff" > >> >> You sure about that > Mike? I seem to remember one night ( I remember it> >> well) in the low > rent district, you had a certain Canadains (female) shoe> >> tipped up to > your mouth as liquid was pouring out and down your throat.> >> shortly > there after if memory serves me correctly, you decided to enter> >> your > brother Steves tent and....well......I can only say...well...I really> >> > can't say since this is a family list.> >>> >>> [Original Message]> >>> > From: Mike Royster > >>>> >>> You obviously have me > confused with my evil scotch swilling land baron> >>> rich builder > brother.teve!!!!> > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses > and> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is> believed to be clean.> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1941 - Release Date: 2/9/2009 6:50 AM From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Feb 9 13:16:05 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:16:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Starting a 1953 Lister JP2 in royalty class motor boatVictoria Message-ID: <410-22009219211650@earthlink.net> That was very enjoyable Dave. I really liked the way he set up his compression release. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Dave Croft > To: atis > Cc: Oldengine.org > Date: 2/9/2009 10:11:30 AM > Subject: [SEL] Starting a 1953 Lister JP2 in royalty class motor boatVictoria > > I spotted this on the UK narrowboat group & thought it might be near enough subject to interest some of you! > If you can view it in high definition it looks good. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > > Michael Askin said > Hi Folks, > I've been doing some more filming on Sunday, and this is the result: > http://www.vimeo.com/3134959 > (Watch it in HD if you are able - if it's not already click the "HD is > Off" button to turn it on, and make it full screen (the arrows that > look like an X bottom right). > > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Feb 9 13:25:24 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:25:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-22009219212524828@earthlink.net> If I am able to make Portland this August Mike, I will bring it with me. You can even help me unload it.. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > > And back to our original post, I am still JEALOUS!!!!! > > MR From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Feb 9 13:46:48 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:46:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-2200921925238125@earthlink.net><01a101c98a63$d89aaa60$66674b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <1BB164B24A384831B90A3BE8699A8CC7@REG> Its called 'Selective Amnesia'. An affliction of most Politicians, I might add!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine All I remember was the screaming!! Then my elixer disappeared! Then My brother disappeared. Then the screaming stopped! Somehow my tent got really wet. Somehow my head really hurt!!! Never camped in the low rent district after that. Someone should have warned me about the Canadian Banshee! Steve, the good oyster! > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:37:28 -0500> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To: > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine> > > "Canadian Banshee" ?!?!?! Bwahahahahaha!!!!> > BTW, whatever happened to > "What happens at Portland, Stays at Portland"?> > And if I recall > correctly the events of the evening in question (and there may be> some > debate regarding that, as I think I had partaken of a wee dram or two of > that> elixir myself), I think the "Canadian Banshee" was searching for the > elixir. Your> poor brother just happened to be in the way. 8-))> > See ya, > Arnie> > PS - Judging by the sounds that came out of that tent, I think > Steve surrendered.> PPS - Mike, I think you NEED one of those pretty New > Way Twins.> > On Sun, February 8, 2009 10:09 pm, Mike Royster wrote:> > > Tim, you were obviously impaired, vision or otherwise! I was an innocent> > > victim, sleeping soundly in my tent when the Canadian Banshee went on > the> > rampage and was searching for my brother and his bottle of elixir. > Like> > you, I am just a happy simple, normal person. Except you have a > New Way> > twin you dog!!!!> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: > "Tim Christoff" > >> >> You sure about that > Mike? I seem to remember one night ( I remember it> >> well) in the low > rent district, you had a certain Canadains (female) shoe> >> tipped up to > your mouth as liquid was pouring out and down your throat.> >> shortly > there after if memory serves me correctly, you decided to enter> >> your > brother Steves tent and....well......I can only say...well...I really> >> > can't say since this is a family list.> >>> >>> [Original Message]> >>> > From: Mike Royster > >>>> >>> You obviously have me > confused with my evil scotch swilling land baron> >>> rich builder > brother.teve!!!!> > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses > and> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is> believed to be clean.> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Feb 9 12:58:52 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:58:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-22009219205852281@earthlink.net> Thanks John, I do have that one. You know anyone who has a manual on the twin's? I've never seen one. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: John & Beryl Cooper > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/10/2009 2:13:57 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Hi Tim, > Correct, that is the D11 catalogue. > Regards, > John Cooper,\. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:55 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > > > > Hi John, is that the D-11 catolog? > > > > Tim Christoff > > Basehor Kansas > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: John & Beryl Cooper > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Date: 2/9/2009 6:37:10 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > >> > >> Hi Tim, > >> I have recently been given a New Way sales catalogue from the John Deere > >> Plow Co. Omaha, Sioux Falls in mint condition approximately 1911 edition. > >> Your engine is listed almost identical to the picture you supplied. There > > is > >> also a similar engine in a club near here and also a single cylinder one > > in > >> the area. > >> Have fun, > >> John Cooper, > >> Bega Australia. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Tim Christoff" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 AM > >> Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine > >> > >> > >> > > >> > I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days > >> > ago > >> > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast > >> > brass > >> > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. Anyone > >> > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only > > find > >> > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single > > coil > >> > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page via > >> > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 > >> > > >> > Tim Christoff > >> > Basehor Kansas > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > >> > >> > >> > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: > > 02/08/09 > >> 17:57:00 > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: 02/08/09 > 17:57:00 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Feb 9 13:59:05 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:59:05 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine In-Reply-To: <410-22009219205852281@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20090209215905.33A8E405456@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi Tim, Does your engine have the intake and mixer[s] on top or are they under the crank and cylinders? Just curious? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tim Christoff Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:59 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine Thanks John, I do have that one. You know anyone who has a manual on the twin's? I've never seen one. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: John & Beryl Cooper > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/10/2009 2:13:57 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Hi Tim, > Correct, that is the D11 catalogue. > Regards, > John Cooper,\. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:55 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > > > > Hi John, is that the D-11 catolog? > > > > Tim Christoff > > Basehor Kansas > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: John & Beryl Cooper > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Date: 2/9/2009 6:37:10 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > >> > >> Hi Tim, > >> I have recently been given a New Way sales catalogue from the John Deere > >> Plow Co. Omaha, Sioux Falls in mint condition approximately 1911 edition. > >> Your engine is listed almost identical to the picture you supplied. There > > is > >> also a similar engine in a club near here and also a single cylinder one > > in > >> the area. > >> Have fun, > >> John Cooper, > >> Bega Australia. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Tim Christoff" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 AM > >> Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine > >> > >> > >> > > >> > I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days > >> > ago > >> > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast > >> > brass > >> > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. Anyone > >> > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only > > find > >> > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single > > coil > >> > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page via > >> > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 > >> > > >> > Tim Christoff > >> > Basehor Kansas > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > >> > >> > >> > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: > > 02/08/09 > >> 17:57:00 > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: 02/08/09 > 17:57:00 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Feb 9 15:17:33 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:17:33 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine In-Reply-To: <002401c98ada$d66a3cc0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> References: <410-2200921925238125@earthlink.net> <01a101c98a63$d89aaa60$66674b47@mikecomp> <002401c98ada$d66a3cc0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: Hey, Leroy. All I remember was hearing Steve's blood curdling screams, then the pleading, then the whimpering, and half and hour later, the confused and disoriented look on his face as he emerged from the tent. On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Leroy wrote: > All I remember are the lights, sirens and the twenty questions from > the > police......... nuff said!! Leroy >> All I remember was the screaming!! From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Feb 9 15:30:43 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:30:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine In-Reply-To: <410-22009219212524828@earthlink.net> References: <410-22009219212524828@earthlink.net> Message-ID: He'll help you unload it allright Tim, He unloaded all my New Ways at his house except one! Beware Beware> From: tchristoff at earthlink.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:25:24 -0600> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine> > If I am able to make Portland this August Mike, I will bring it with me. > You can even help me unload it..> > Tim Christoff> Basehor Kansas> > > >> > And back to our original post, I am still JEALOUS!!!!!> >> > MR> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Feb 9 15:37:00 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:37:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine In-Reply-To: References: <410-2200921925238125@earthlink.net> <01a101c98a63$d89aaa60$66674b47@mikecomp> <002401c98ada$d66a3cc0$2f01a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: Well Rob, have you ever been Banshee'd? ? ? > From: rob at rustyiron.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:17:33 -0800> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine> > Hey, Leroy. All I remember was hearing Steve's blood curdling > screams, then the pleading, then the whimpering, and half and hour > later, the confused and disoriented look on his face as he emerged > from the tent.> > > On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Leroy wrote:> > All I remember are the lights, sirens and the twenty questions from > > the> > police......... nuff said!! Leroy> > >> All I remember was the screaming!!> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Feb 9 15:42:58 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:42:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-2200921923425815@earthlink.net> Hi Jim, the intake and mixer is down under the crank. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Jim O'Hagan > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/9/2009 3:59:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Hi Tim, Does your engine have the intake and mixer[s] on top or are they > under the crank and cylinders? Just curious? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tim Christoff > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:59 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Thanks John, I do have that one. You know anyone who has a manual on the > twin's? I've never seen one. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > > > [Original Message] > > From: John & Beryl Cooper > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 2/10/2009 2:13:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > > Hi Tim, > > Correct, that is the D11 catalogue. > > Regards, > > John Cooper,\. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tim Christoff" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > > > > > > > > Hi John, is that the D-11 catolog? > > > > > > Tim Christoff > > > Basehor Kansas > > > > > > > > >> [Original Message] > > >> From: John & Beryl Cooper > > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > > >> Date: 2/9/2009 6:37:10 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > >> > > >> Hi Tim, > > >> I have recently been given a New Way sales catalogue from the John > Deere > > >> Plow Co. Omaha, Sioux Falls in mint condition approximately 1911 > edition. > > >> Your engine is listed almost identical to the picture you supplied. > There > > > is > > >> also a similar engine in a club near here and also a single cylinder > one > > > in > > >> the area. > > >> Have fun, > > >> John Cooper, > > >> Bega Australia. > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Tim Christoff" > > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 AM > > >> Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days > > >> > ago > > >> > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast > > >> > brass > > >> > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. > Anyone > > >> > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only > > > find > > >> > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single > > > coil > > >> > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page > via > > >> > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 > > >> > > > >> > Tim Christoff > > >> > Basehor Kansas > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > SEL mailing list > > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---- > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > >> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: > > > 02/08/09 > > >> 17:57:00 > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> SEL mailing list > > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: > 02/08/09 > > 17:57:00 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Feb 9 15:45:03 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:45:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-220092192345331@earthlink.net> There was deffinitly somthing different about him that next morning as though it was life changing. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Rob Skinner > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/9/2009 5:17:34 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Hey, Leroy. All I remember was hearing Steve's blood curdling > screams, then the pleading, then the whimpering, and half and hour > later, the confused and disoriented look on his face as he emerged > from the tent. > > > On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Leroy wrote: > > All I remember are the lights, sirens and the twenty questions from > > the > > police......... nuff said!! Leroy > > >> All I remember was the screaming!! > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Feb 9 15:54:59 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:54:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine In-Reply-To: <410-2200921923425815@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20090209235459.B0E6A65B4CF@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Thanks,Nice! Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tim Christoff Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:43 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine Hi Jim, the intake and mixer is down under the crank. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Jim O'Hagan > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/9/2009 3:59:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Hi Tim, Does your engine have the intake and mixer[s] on top or are they > under the crank and cylinders? Just curious? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tim Christoff > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:59 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Thanks John, I do have that one. You know anyone who has a manual on the > twin's? I've never seen one. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > > > [Original Message] > > From: John & Beryl Cooper > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 2/10/2009 2:13:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > > Hi Tim, > > Correct, that is the D11 catalogue. > > Regards, > > John Cooper,\. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tim Christoff" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > > > > > > > > Hi John, is that the D-11 catolog? > > > > > > Tim Christoff > > > Basehor Kansas > > > > > > > > >> [Original Message] > > >> From: John & Beryl Cooper > > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > > >> Date: 2/9/2009 6:37:10 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > >> > > >> Hi Tim, > > >> I have recently been given a New Way sales catalogue from the John > Deere > > >> Plow Co. Omaha, Sioux Falls in mint condition approximately 1911 > edition. > > >> Your engine is listed almost identical to the picture you supplied. > There > > > is > > >> also a similar engine in a club near here and also a single cylinder > one > > > in > > >> the area. > > >> Have fun, > > >> John Cooper, > > >> Bega Australia. > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Tim Christoff" > > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 AM > > >> Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days > > >> > ago > > >> > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast > > >> > brass > > >> > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. > Anyone > > >> > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only > > > find > > >> > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single > > > coil > > >> > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page > via > > >> > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 > > >> > > > >> > Tim Christoff > > >> > Basehor Kansas > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > SEL mailing list > > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---- > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > >> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: > > > 02/08/09 > > >> 17:57:00 > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> SEL mailing list > > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: > 02/08/09 > > 17:57:00 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Feb 9 16:13:36 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:13:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-22009221001336937@earthlink.net> So Mike was not telling the truth when he told me that you gave those to him? And to think I actually let him take all my New Way Lit that one day to make copies of it. I did start to worry when I didn't see him again for 3 days but he did return all the items in the end. I will just have to really be more careful around him next time. Thank you Steve. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: Steve Royster > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/9/2009 5:30:43 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > He'll help you unload it allright Tim, He unloaded all my New Ways at his house except one! Beware Beware> From: tchristoff at earthlink.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:25:24 -0600> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine> > If I am able to make Portland this August Mike, I will bring it with me. > You can even help me unload it..> > Tim Christoff> Basehor Kansas> > > >> > And back to our original post, I am still JEALOUS!!!!!> >> > MR> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_0220 09 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Mon Feb 9 17:22:52 2009 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:22:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-22009219205852281@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <01fc01c98b1e$189382d0$0201010a@JBCooper> Hi Tim, Sorry, this is all I have. Regards, John Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Thanks John, I do have that one. You know anyone who has a manual on the > twin's? I've never seen one. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> [Original Message] >> From: John & Beryl Cooper >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 2/10/2009 2:13:57 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine >> >> Hi Tim, >> Correct, that is the D11 catalogue. >> Regards, >> John Cooper,\. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Christoff" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine >> >> >> > >> > Hi John, is that the D-11 catolog? >> > >> > Tim Christoff >> > Basehor Kansas >> > >> > >> >> [Original Message] >> >> From: John & Beryl Cooper >> >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> Date: 2/9/2009 6:37:10 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine >> >> >> >> Hi Tim, >> >> I have recently been given a New Way sales catalogue from the John > Deere >> >> Plow Co. Omaha, Sioux Falls in mint condition approximately 1911 > edition. >> >> Your engine is listed almost identical to the picture you supplied. > There >> > is >> >> also a similar engine in a club near here and also a single cylinder > one >> > in >> >> the area. >> >> Have fun, >> >> John Cooper, >> >> Bega Australia. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Tim Christoff" >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 AM >> >> Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days >> >> > ago >> >> > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast >> >> > brass >> >> > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. > Anyone >> >> > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only >> > find >> >> > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single >> > coil >> >> > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page > via >> >> > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 >> >> > >> >> > Tim Christoff >> >> > Basehor Kansas >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > SEL mailing list >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > ---- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> >> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: >> > 02/08/09 >> >> 17:57:00 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: > 02/08/09 >> 17:57:00 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1942 - Release Date: 02/09/09 17:40:00 From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Feb 9 17:30:00 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:30:00 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Two cylinder New Way Message-ID: <20090209.173001.1244.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/19088/cat/all Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ FTD.com Shop now and save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/u4MuScM2CQfO4hcTcCpyE9h3YvvXSXSZlafu7tCfzFAIjoNzq8cfD/ From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Feb 9 18:24:51 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:24:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-22009219212524828@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003f01c98b26$c0b930b0$66674b47@mikecomp> I would be thrilled to assist you ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > If I am able to make Portland this August Mike, I will bring it with me. > You can even help me unload it.. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> >> And back to our original post, I am still JEALOUS!!!!! >> >> MR > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Feb 9 19:19:49 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:19:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine Message-ID: <410-22009221031949312@earthlink.net> Thank you John Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: John & Beryl Cooper > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 2/10/2009 5:22:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > Hi Tim, > Sorry, this is all I have. > Regards, > John Cooper > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:58 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > > > > > > Thanks John, I do have that one. You know anyone who has a manual on the > > twin's? I've never seen one. > > > > Tim Christoff > > Basehor Kansas > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: John & Beryl Cooper > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Date: 2/10/2009 2:13:57 AM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > >> > >> Hi Tim, > >> Correct, that is the D11 catalogue. > >> Regards, > >> John Cooper,\. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Tim Christoff" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:55 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > >> > >> > >> > > >> > Hi John, is that the D-11 catolog? > >> > > >> > Tim Christoff > >> > Basehor Kansas > >> > > >> > > >> >> [Original Message] > >> >> From: John & Beryl Cooper > >> >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> >> Date: 2/9/2009 6:37:10 PM > >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > >> >> > >> >> Hi Tim, > >> >> I have recently been given a New Way sales catalogue from the John > > Deere > >> >> Plow Co. Omaha, Sioux Falls in mint condition approximately 1911 > > edition. > >> >> Your engine is listed almost identical to the picture you supplied. > > There > >> > is > >> >> also a similar engine in a club near here and also a single cylinder > > one > >> > in > >> >> the area. > >> >> Have fun, > >> >> John Cooper, > >> >> Bega Australia. > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Tim Christoff" > >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 AM > >> >> Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > I finally got a New Way Twin today, actually, I bought it a few days > >> >> > ago > >> >> > but didn't get it until today. It is a 6 to 7 hp with a nice cast > >> >> > brass > >> >> > tag. The engine is complete and uses a buzz coil for ignition. > > Anyone > >> >> > have any knowlege of how the wiring for this would work? I can only > >> > find > >> >> > one place to connect the pos wire so I am wondering if just a single > >> > coil > >> >> > is all that is needed. You can see a picture of it on Harry's page > > via > >> >> > this link. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57053 > >> >> > > >> >> > Tim Christoff > >> >> > Basehor Kansas > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > SEL mailing list > >> >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > ---- > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> >> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: > >> > 02/08/09 > >> >> 17:57:00 > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > >> > >> > >> > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: > > 02/08/09 > >> 17:57:00 > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1942 - Release Date: 02/09/09 > 17:40:00 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Feb 10 04:57:06 2009 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:57:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Two cylinder New Way In-Reply-To: <20090209.173001.1244.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20090209.173001.1244.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Get a load of that first picture! Looks like time for some spring cleaning. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ==================== > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:30:00 -0800 > From: rdhaskell at juno.com > Subject: [SEL] Two cylinder New Way > > http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/19088/cat/all > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 10 06:40:06 2009 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:40:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Starting a 1953 Lister JP2 in royalty class motorboatVictoria References: <410-22009219211650@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002001c98b8d$782aa4c0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> ohhhh ho ho ho happy joy ! Thanks dude . From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Feb 10 08:16:44 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:16:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine In-Reply-To: <410-22009221001336937@earthlink.net> References: <410-22009221001336937@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Bring that big twin to Portland this year and you will learn the truth! BTW have you tried Raymond Scholl for a manual for the twin. He bought a lot of Ed Grimsey's stuff and may have one. Steve > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:13:36 -0600> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine> > So Mike was not telling the truth when he told me that you gave those to> him? And to think I actually let him take all my New Way Lit that one day> to make copies of it. I did start to worry when I didn't see him again for> 3 days but he did return all the items in the end. I will just have to> really be more careful around him next time. Thank you Steve.> > Tim Christoff> Basehor Kansas> > > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Feb 10 08:31:16 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:31:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine In-Reply-To: <410-22009221001336937@earthlink.net> References: <410-22009221001336937@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Tim, there's also a guy in Western Washington state that goes by NewWayMan on Harry's I believe. I think I met him at Rollag last year but not sure. Congrat's on the great addition!!! Big Time Jealous in the Big Sky and still lookin' for a mixer for my 4.5 hp.....and a manual if anyone has one to spare. RickinMt. From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Feb 10 15:14:15 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:14:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New New Way Engine References: <410-22009221001336937@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004a01c98bd5$4ac96fa0$66674b47@mikecomp> You must remember when Steve says "unloaded", that is the expression used to describe what he did to my wallet!! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine > So Mike was not telling the truth when he told me that you gave those to > him? And to think I actually let him take all my New Way Lit that one day > to make copies of it. I did start to worry when I didn't see him again > for > 3 days but he did return all the items in the end. I will just have to > really be more careful around him next time. Thank you Steve. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Steve Royster >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 2/9/2009 5:30:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine >> >> >> He'll help you unload it allright Tim, He unloaded all my New Ways at his > house except one! Beware Beware> From: tchristoff at earthlink.net> To: > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:25:24 -0600> > Subject: Re: [SEL] New New Way Engine> > If I am able to make Portland > this > August Mike, I will bring it with me. > You can even help me unload it..> > > > Tim Christoff> Basehor Kansas> > > >> > And back to our original post, I > am > still JEALOUS!!!!!> >> > MR> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Windows LiveT: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. >> > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_0220 > 09 >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Feb 10 15:17:00 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:17:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Two cylinder New Way References: <20090209.173001.1244.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <006b01c98bd5$ad520ba0$66674b47@mikecomp> Looks like Steve's backyard, except it's missing a few blue tarps!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: "Engine List" Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Two cylinder New Way Get a load of that first picture! Looks like time for some spring cleaning. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ==================== > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:30:00 -0800 > From: rdhaskell at juno.com > Subject: [SEL] Two cylinder New Way > > http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/19088/cat/all > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Feb 10 17:45:31 2009 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (page at velocitynet.com.au) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:45:31 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT Licence plates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1750.121.45.205.155.1234316731.squirrel@webmail.velocity.net.au> Hi Guys Like Peter I also collect license plates, but in my case, I have all States and Washington DC plus all the territories like Virgin Islands, Trust Territories of the Pacific, etc. However, there is one plate I am after and that is the Florida Challenger plate, the later release, not the first one released in 1990. The Challenger/Columbia wouldn't go astray either. If anyone can help, like Peter, I am after donations first and I will pay postage as required. Regards Ron Canberra From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 10 19:40:59 2009 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:40:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade Message-ID: <002d01c98bfa$8eb85620$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/front/article/564730 From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Feb 11 01:01:58 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:01:58 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade References: <002d01c98bfa$8eb85620$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: A real tear jerker, that one!!! Nice to see here are still good folk around. In Oz, the people have donated 35+ million for the fire victims. Again, nice folk around. But, How many other countries even sent a sympathy message? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:40 PM Subject: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade > > > > > http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/front/article/564730 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Feb 11 03:19:37 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:19:37 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade References: <002d01c98bfa$8eb85620$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <2A9B956537B8419CB2185027D5B8B4C1@acer8ff47bfe9a> Reg ,I have held back from saying anything like that but now I am begining to wonder .I am pretty sure Obama sent his sympathy but it sure is quite everywhere else! ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade >A real tear jerker, that one!!! > > Nice to see here are still good folk around. > > In Oz, the people have donated 35+ million for the fire victims. > Again, nice folk around. > But, How many other countries even sent a sympathy message? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Balyeat" > To: "SEL" > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:40 PM > Subject: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade > > >> >> >> >> >> http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/front/article/564730 >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Jim at hardmanfamily.net Wed Feb 11 05:35:50 2009 From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:35:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fires in Austalia Message-ID: Reg and Marg, We have been corresponding with folks in Wagga Wagga and have learned more about the fires than we would normally get in news coverage. Yes, there are pictures on TV and the news is reporting updates on the fires and devastation here in the states, but the media tends to be self-centered, leaning towards local news and problems of the homeland. And being in the middle of winter here in Vermont, with a foot of snow on the ground and four foot snow embankments along the driveway, it's hard to imagine the heat and trials that you and your countrymen are enduring. The Lord didn't create us to be self-centered, we are of one family, humanity, that struggles with problems from the moment we are born. A lot of our troubles are of our own making, we do dumb things and then have to pay the price. But a lot of troubles seem to just come upon us... storms, floods, high winds and fires. We don't grow old before we see first hand the pain of living, the sufferings of others. It doubly hurts when it is learned that some of the fires were purposely set by unthinking, imbalanced people. We care. And there's not much anyone can do from a distance except pray... and for those of us who can, contribute to an appropriate relief fund. Our hearts go out to all who are homeless, for all who have lost loved ones. Most Americans feel a deep and enduring affection, indeed love, towards the Australian people. You have been loyal friends and that is embedded in our hearts. The Aussies are a kindred folk, respected and esteemed. Maybe the news media doesn't do justice to either the events or the relationships, but I can tell you first hand that we feel your pain and pray for your relief. We hope that you and your loved ones are safe. No, I confess I don't know the geography, but see the fires in NSW and know that there are a lot of families in danger. My wife, and yes, the entire SE List, join with others in prayer for relief and recovery. Warm Regards, Jim in Vermont, USA From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Feb 11 05:57:54 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 8:57:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fires in Austalia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090211135755.QMKPN.87087.root@cdptpa-web25-z02> Well said. MR ---- Jim Hardman wrote: > > Reg and Marg, > > We have been corresponding with folks in Wagga Wagga and have learned more about the fires than we would normally get in news coverage. Yes, there are pictures on TV and the news is reporting updates on the fires and devastation here in the states, but the media tends to be self-centered, leaning towards local news and problems of the homeland. And being in the middle of winter here in Vermont, with a foot of snow on the ground and four foot snow embankments along the driveway, it's hard to imagine the heat and trials that you and your countrymen are enduring. > > The Lord didn't create us to be self-centered, we are of one family, humanity, that struggles with problems from the moment we are born. A lot of our troubles are of our own making, we do dumb things and then have to pay the price. But a lot of troubles seem to just come upon us... storms, floods, high winds and fires. We don't grow old before we see first hand the pain of living, the sufferings of others. It doubly hurts when it is learned that some of the fires were purposely set by unthinking, imbalanced people. > > We care. And there's not much anyone can do from a distance except pray... and for those of us who can, contribute to an appropriate relief fund. > > Our hearts go out to all who are homeless, for all who have lost loved ones. Most Americans feel a deep and enduring affection, indeed love, towards the Australian people. You have been loyal friends and that is embedded in our hearts. The Aussies are a kindred folk, respected and esteemed. Maybe the news media doesn't do justice to either the events or the relationships, but I can tell you first hand that we feel your pain and pray for your relief. > > We hope that you and your loved ones are safe. No, I confess I don't know the geography, but see the fires in NSW and know that there are a lot of families in danger. > > My wife, and yes, the entire SE List, join with others in prayer for relief and recovery. > > Warm Regards, Jim in Vermont, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Wed Feb 11 13:20:39 2009 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:20:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade In-Reply-To: <2A9B956537B8419CB2185027D5B8B4C1@acer8ff47bfe9a> References: <002d01c98bfa$8eb85620$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <2A9B956537B8419CB2185027D5B8B4C1@acer8ff47bfe9a> Message-ID: <001e01c98c8e$9be39dc0$d3aad940$@net.au> Perhaps you guys missed the Prime Ministers comment to the Parliament the other day, he named something like 20-30 countries that had sent sympathy and many have offered help. The US already have specialists in the field helping the fire fighting effort. Just thought I would make comment, whilst I am 2000kms from the scene I know many people in the area. Some of the flood victims in North QLD are donating their relief money to the fire victims. That brings tears to my eyes. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:20 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade Reg ,I have held back from saying anything like that but now I am begining to wonder .I am pretty sure Obama sent his sympathy but it sure is quite everywhere else! ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade >A real tear jerker, that one!!! > > Nice to see here are still good folk around. > > In Oz, the people have donated 35+ million for the fire victims. > Again, nice folk around. > But, How many other countries even sent a sympathy message? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Balyeat" > To: "SEL" > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:40 PM > Subject: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade > > >> >> >> >> >> http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/front/article/564730 >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ashpow at westnet.com.au Wed Feb 11 17:45:41 2009 From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (Ash Powell) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:45:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Alpha-Numerical Punches - Anyone is Aus. want to loan to me? Message-ID: <4E88675716B44EA091BCCAEEEB5A6BAA@MINIBEAST> Hey all, I have need of a couple of punches and am wondering if anyone is Australia would be willing to loan them to me? A big ask I know considering im a complete stranger but hey, you dont ask you dont...etc ;p) I only need a "2" and "S" and an "O" in 5mm size, im trying to avoid buying a full set just to get those for a one off job. Ill pay all freight obviously (here and back), cash or beer/poison of choice. Cheers, Ash From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Feb 11 21:09:03 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:09:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fires in Austalia References: Message-ID: <3B51B473139E4EC0B61C47CEDAF66B09@REG> Thanks for the well thought out mail Jim. The fires are mainly just north of Melbourne, Victoria.. (Paul Pavlinovich lives close to a danger area.) I live close to Newcastle, North of Sydney New South Wales. We have been spared this time around. Also, although bush (Forest) is all around us, it is not as dense as in the Nat Parks, where most fires are burning. The Nat Parks mob have had a 'Greenie' pushed, NO BURN OFF policy for a long time now. So, with the buildup of 'tree litter' etc. It was a bomb waiting to happen. At this time, the finger is being pointed in all directions and many 'Public Servants' and their departments are going into 'Arse save mode'. All of which will not bring back ONE victim. Thanks for caring. We appreciate it. Reg Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hardman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:35 AM Subject: [SEL] Fires in Austalia > > Reg and Marg, > > We have been corresponding with folks in Wagga Wagga and have learned more > about the fires than we would normally get in news coverage. Yes, there > are pictures on TV and the news is reporting updates on the fires and > devastation here in the states, but the media tends to be self-centered, > leaning towards local news and problems of the homeland. And being in the > middle of winter here in Vermont, with a foot of snow on the ground and > four foot snow embankments along the driveway, it's hard to imagine the > heat and trials that you and your countrymen are enduring. > > The Lord didn't create us to be self-centered, we are of one family, > humanity, that struggles with problems from the moment we are born. A lot > of our troubles are of our own making, we do dumb things and then have to > pay the price. But a lot of troubles seem to just come upon us... storms, > floods, high winds and fires. We don't grow old before we see first hand > the pain of living, the sufferings of others. It doubly hurts when it is > learned that some of the fires were purposely set by unthinking, > imbalanced people. > > We care. And there's not much anyone can do from a distance except > pray... and for those of us who can, contribute to an appropriate relief > fund. > > Our hearts go out to all who are homeless, for all who have lost loved > ones. Most Americans feel a deep and enduring affection, indeed love, > towards the Australian people. You have been loyal friends and that is > embedded in our hearts. The Aussies are a kindred folk, respected and > esteemed. Maybe the news media doesn't do justice to either the events or > the relationships, but I can tell you first hand that we feel your pain > and pray for your relief. > > We hope that you and your loved ones are safe. No, I confess I don't know > the geography, but see the fires in NSW and know that there are a lot of > families in danger. > > My wife, and yes, the entire SE List, join with others in prayer for > relief and recovery. > > Warm Regards, Jim in Vermont, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Wed Feb 11 22:00:27 2009 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:00:27 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Alpha-Numerical Punches - Anyone is Aus. want to loan to me? In-Reply-To: <4E88675716B44EA091BCCAEEEB5A6BAA@MINIBEAST> References: <4E88675716B44EA091BCCAEEEB5A6BAA@MINIBEAST> Message-ID: <4993BAFB.7070700@optusnet.com.au> === Where are you, Ash? Does "Westnet" imply Perth? I have an old but good set of letters and numbers which I assume are Imperial. The square shank measures 5/16", but it is difficult to know just exactly how your 5mm dimension is applied. e.g., in my set, from the top to the bottom of the cutting edge of the letter "O" measures 5mm as compared by eye with a vernier caliper, but the overall height of the impression made in, say, aluminium, is about 5.3mm. Depends how soft is the material and whether you have a calibrated hammer/wrist combination. JW? in W.A. (not WA) === Ash Powell wrote: > Hey all, > > I have need of a couple of punches and am wondering if anyone is Australia would be willing to loan them to me? > A big ask I know considering im a complete stranger but hey, you dont ask you dont...etc ;p) > > I only need a "2" and "S" and an "O" in 5mm size, im trying to avoid buying a full set just to get those for a one off job. > > Ill pay all freight obviously (here and back), cash or beer/poison of choice. > > Cheers, > Ash > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Feb 11 23:08:02 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:08:02 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade References: <002d01c98bfa$8eb85620$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <2A9B956537B8419CB2185027D5B8B4C1@acer8ff47bfe9a> <001e01c98c8e$9be39dc0$d3aad940$@net.au> Message-ID: <1F353A0F13A04639B087E288B9D290B7@your9e74d7efa7> Red Faced again ,sorry missed the messages. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven N Kitto" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade > Perhaps you guys missed the Prime Ministers comment to the Parliament the > other day, he named something like 20-30 countries that had sent sympathy > and many have offered help. The US already have specialists in the field > helping the fire fighting effort. Just thought I would make comment, > whilst > I am 2000kms from the scene I know many people in the area. Some of the > flood victims in North QLD are donating their relief money to the fire > victims. That brings tears to my eyes. > > Steve > > Steve and Denise Kitto > 95 Coleyville Road > Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 > Ph 07 54671541 > > As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. > Proverbs 27:19 > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter > ogborne > Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:20 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade > > Reg ,I have held back from saying anything like that but now I am begining > to wonder .I am pretty sure Obama sent his sympathy but it sure is quite > everywhere else! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R & M Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:01 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade > > >>A real tear jerker, that one!!! >> >> Nice to see here are still good folk around. >> >> In Oz, the people have donated 35+ million for the fire victims. >> Again, nice folk around. >> But, How many other countries even sent a sympathy message? >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Balyeat" >> To: "SEL" >> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:40 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Fw: tractor parade >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/front/article/564730 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Feb 11 23:22:45 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:22:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Alpha-Numerical Punches - Anyone is Aus. want to loan to me? References: <4E88675716B44EA091BCCAEEEB5A6BAA@MINIBEAST> <4993BAFB.7070700@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: Jack Westnet is WA, but it is national roaming, we have it here in northern NSW Peter === Where are you, Ash? Does "Westnet" imply Perth? I have an old but good set of letters and numbers which I assume are Imperial. The square shank measures 5/16", but it is difficult to know just exactly how your 5mm dimension is applied. e.g., in my set, from the top to the bottom of the cutting edge of the letter "O" measures 5mm as compared by eye with a vernier caliper, but the overall height of the impression made in, say, aluminium, is about 5.3mm. Depends how soft is the material and whether you have a calibrated hammer/wrist combination. JW? in W.A. (not WA) === Ash Powell wrote: > Hey all, > > I have need of a couple of punches and am wondering if anyone is Australia > would be willing to loan them to me? > A big ask I know considering im a complete stranger but hey, you dont ask > you dont...etc ;p) > > I only need a "2" and "S" and an "O" in 5mm size, im trying to avoid > buying a full set just to get those for a one off job. > > Ill pay all freight obviously (here and back), cash or beer/poison of > choice. > > Cheers, > Ash > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Feb 12 01:02:13 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:02:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Alpha-Numerical Punches - Anyone is Aus. want to loan to me? References: <4E88675716B44EA091BCCAEEEB5A6BAA@MINIBEAST> Message-ID: <030212C9A495483A986910059C7C5FE0@peterlowe> Hi Ash By the time you mess around you can buy a set of number and letter for $16 on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com.au/36-Piece-5mm-Letter-and-Number-Punch-Stamp-Set_W0QQitemZ400024308934QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_BnI_Woodworking_Metalworking Peter, Oz > Hey all, > > I have need of a couple of punches and am wondering if anyone is Australia > would be willing to loan them to me? > A big ask I know considering im a complete stranger but hey, you dont ask > you dont...etc ;p) > > I only need a "2" and "S" and an "O" in 5mm size, im trying to avoid > buying a full set just to get those for a one off job. > > Ill pay all freight obviously (here and back), cash or beer/poison of > choice. > > Cheers, > Ash > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Feb 12 01:52:30 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:52:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Re=3A__Alpha-Numerical_Punches_-_Any?= =?iso-8859-1?q?one_is_Aus=2E_want_to_loan_tome=3F?= In-Reply-To: <030212C9A495483A986910059C7C5FE0@peterlowe> References: <4E88675716B44EA091BCCAEEEB5A6BAA@MINIBEAST> <030212C9A495483A986910059C7C5FE0@peterlowe> Message-ID: G'Day Peter Typical Chinese eBay item outlandish postal costs another $30 I bought 5mm letters only set at the Sydney markets for about $15 Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz > Hi Ash > > By the time you mess around you can buy a set of number and letter for $16 > on Ebay > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/36-Piece-5mm-Letter-and-Number-Punch-Stamp-Set_W0QQitemZ400024308934QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_BnI_Woodworking_Metalworking > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Feb 12 02:43:51 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:43:51 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Lic. Plates quest Message-ID: I am forwarding this to both Lists, Frank, below, is after a workshop manual for a Petter AV-2-M, can someone help please.? Replies to: marinesurveys at msn.com Regards Peter, Oz Franklin S. Skinner Marine Surveyor & Consultant 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470 marinesurveys at msn.com From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Feb 12 03:39:02 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:39:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Alpha-Numerical Punches - Anyone is Aus. want to loan tome? References: <4E88675716B44EA091BCCAEEEB5A6BAA@MINIBEAST><030212C9A495483A986910059C7C5FE0@peterlowe> Message-ID: Yes I know Kerry, but what I was pointing out to Ash is that it is worth investing in some workshop tools and building up a collection rather than posting around the country. I have 1/8 letter and 1/4 number so no good to Ash, otherwise I would post them off for sure. Peter > G'Day Peter > > Typical Chinese eBay item outlandish postal costs another $30 > I bought 5mm letters only set at the Sydney markets for about $15 > > Kerry > Lithgow NSW Oz > > > >> Hi Ash >> >> By the time you mess around you can buy a set of number and letter for >> $16 >> on Ebay >> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/36-Piece-5mm-Letter-and-Number-Punch-Stamp-Set_W0QQitemZ400024308934QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_BnI_Woodworking_Metalworking >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bboyce at swat.coop Thu Feb 12 03:58:54 2009 From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:58:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] bending cast iron Message-ID: <3CEA422CBFA947B19A509B9B670296E1@billPC> i was wondering if anyone has any experience in bending cast iron.... the mag bracket on my 1 1/2 horse waterloo boy has a slight bend where it bolts over the ignitor, causing the mag to lean down just a little and be out of aligment with the trip bracket,,,, looks like the engine may have tipped over at one point and fell against the mag,,,,the bend is ever so slight,,,,,,,,the material is about 1/4 inch thick at the bend, which is on either side of the oval cut out hole for the ignitor,,,,,, any thoughts on straightning it would be appreciated,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 12 05:45:53 2009 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:45:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] bending cast iron References: <3CEA422CBFA947B19A509B9B670296E1@billPC> Message-ID: <003e01c98d18$39b4c6d0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> the bend is ever so slight,,,,,,,,the material is about 1/4 inch thick at the bend, >>>> I would say you were really lucky then . Because you CAN bend cast iron "slightly" But it wont bend much more than that ! From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 12 05:54:56 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:54:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Alpha-Numerical Punches - Anyone is Aus. want to loan to me? In-Reply-To: <4E88675716B44EA091BCCAEEEB5A6BAA@MINIBEAST> References: <4E88675716B44EA091BCCAEEEB5A6BAA@MINIBEAST> Message-ID: <636ffdca90fd9dc7d1904961a4ef2ca7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hell Ash, you're no complete stranger. You've already been sharing your engine restoration projects with us. Trust me mate, for good or ill, you're one of us now. If you lived up top as opposed to down under, my response would be "Send me your snail and the stamps will be "in the mail." I'm certain that one of the fellow Aussies will fix you right up. See ya, Arnie On Wed, February 11, 2009 8:45 pm, Ash Powell wrote: > > I have need of a couple of punches and am wondering if anyone is Australia would be > willing to loan them to me? > A big ask I know considering im a complete stranger but hey, you dont ask you > dont...etc ;p) > > I only need a "2" and "S" and an "O" in 5mm size, im trying to avoid buying a full > set just to get those for a one off job. > > Ill pay all freight obviously (here and back), cash or beer/poison of choice. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Feb 12 06:10:35 2009 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:10:35 +0900 Subject: [SEL] bending cast iron In-Reply-To: <3CEA422CBFA947B19A509B9B670296E1@billPC> References: <3CEA422CBFA947B19A509B9B670296E1@billPC> Message-ID: <00af01c98d1b$ac7e94e0$057bbea0$@net.au> Give it a bit of heat. That will help a bit. Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill boyce Sent: Thursday, 12 February 2009 8:59 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] bending cast iron i was wondering if anyone has any experience in bending cast iron.... the mag bracket on my 1 1/2 horse waterloo boy has a slight bend where it bolts over the ignitor, causing the mag to lean down just a little and be out of aligment with the trip bracket,,,, looks like the engine may have tipped over at one point and fell against the mag,,,,the bend is ever so slight,,,,,,,,the material is about 1/4 inch thick at the bend, which is on either side of the oval cut out hole for the ignitor,,,,,, any thoughts on straightning it would be appreciated,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Feb 12 06:32:23 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:32:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Alpha-Numerical Punches - Anyone is Aus. want to loan to me? In-Reply-To: <030212C9A495483A986910059C7C5FE0@peterlowe> References: <4E88675716B44EA091BCCAEEEB5A6BAA@MINIBEAST> <030212C9A495483A986910059C7C5FE0@peterlowe> Message-ID: <934dfab2c70fc26764a74420e5ed9bfc.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Or you can borrow the punches and "invest" the $16 + shipping in a cold slab of stubbies... Or a couple of gallons of Bundy... 8-)) On Thu, February 12, 2009 4:02 am, Peter Lowe wrote: > > By the time you mess around you can buy a set of number and letter for $16 > on Ebay > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/36-Piece-5mm-Letter-and-Number-Punch-Stamp-Set_W0QQitemZ400024308934QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_BnI_Woodworking_Metalworking -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Feb 12 07:46:22 2009 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:46:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bending cast iron Message-ID: <20090212.105258.1004.0.jlb94> HI Bill, Once, I was bringing my Stover out of the truck on the ramp and didn't think I needed to use the winch. I wasn't strong enough to hold it and it got away. Came down the ramp about 3/4 of the way and off to the left. It rolled over so smoothly on to the driveway. I didn't expect any damage. However, it bent the mag cover and the mag bracket about 1/4 inch. After taking the bracket off, I figured I might be able to bend it back if I heated it with an Oxyacetylene torch. I got it pretty hot - almost to turning red - tried to bend it and - "snap" - it broke. I then clamped it to a piece of steel to keep it straght V'd the break and brazed it back together. I worked it for a while but bought a new bracket from "Hit and Miss" and replaced it. I now keep it on the shelf as a reminder to ALWAYS use the winch. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "There is nothing nice about snow and ice" On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:58:54 -0600 "bill boyce" writes: > i was wondering if anyone has any experience in bending cast iron.... > the mag bracket on my 1 1/2 horse waterloo boy has a slight bend > where it bolts over the ignitor, causing the mag to lean down just > a little and be out of aligment with the trip bracket,,,, looks like > the engine may have tipped over at one point and fell against the > mag,,,,the bend is ever so slight,,,,,,,,the material is about 1/4 > inch thick at the bend, which is on either side of the oval cut out > hole for the ignitor,,,,,, any thoughts on straightning it would be > appreciated,,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Click to get a cash advance. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1hEPwqJf5dS6KyuMJwleshxFlogmGDIKL1Es50WPPekovNz/ From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 12 08:29:18 2009 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:29:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Alpha-Numerical Punches - Anyone is Aus. want to loan to me? References: <4E88675716B44EA091BCCAEEEB5A6BAA@MINIBEAST> <636ffdca90fd9dc7d1904961a4ef2ca7.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <00bf01c98d2f$0e3196c0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Hell Ash, you're no complete stranger. You've already been sharing your > engine > restoration projects with us. Trust me mate, for good or ill, you're one > of us now. > So, are you saying I DIDNT have to get this tattoo ? WTF-O !? From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Thu Feb 12 10:52:13 2009 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:52:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Donations can be made online Message-ID: <721FF1F1554749188838DC938EC9FE8C@LapTop> Any one wanting to donate funds to the AU Red Cross can do so at the site below. https://www.redcross.org.au/Donations/onlineDonations.asp Thanks, Arthur Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com http://oldengine.org/members/southwell From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Feb 12 11:18:11 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:18:11 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Make your donation here In-Reply-To: <3F05802998C54C56AD8477EDC79881D5@LapTop> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090212211246.00bf2b38@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 08:50 PM 12/02/2009, you wrote: >Any one wanting to donate funds to the AU Red Cross can do so at the site >below. > >https://www.redcross.org.au/Donations/onlineDonations.asp > >Thanks, >Arthur Thanks Arthur, I'll be making a donation but before I do that I'd like to ask our Aussie friends if this is the best place make a donation to. Not that I have anything against the Red Cross but are there any other funds set up and in your opinion (that's you Aussie guys) which would be the best one to donate to. Thanks Jerry From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Feb 12 11:51:12 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:51:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Make your donation here References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090212211246.00bf2b38@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <27E9D82C1B4C4B9DA167D80D42341099@peterlowe> Hi Jerry and others YES, only to the Australian Red Cross, you guys are great. Thanks. https://www.redcross.org.au/Donations/onlineDonations.asp Peter, Oz > At 08:50 PM 12/02/2009, you wrote: > >>Any one wanting to donate funds to the AU Red Cross can do so at the site >>below. >> >>https://www.redcross.org.au/Donations/onlineDonations.asp >> >>Thanks, >>Arthur > > Thanks Arthur, > I'll be making a donation but before I do that I'd like to ask our > Aussie friends if this is the best place make a donation to. > > Not that I have anything against the Red Cross but are there any > other funds set up and in your opinion (that's you Aussie guys) which > would be the best one to donate to. > Thanks > Jerry > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From ashpow at westnet.com.au Thu Feb 12 12:23:24 2009 From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (Ash Powell) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:23:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re Re: Alpha-Numerical Punches - Anyone is Aus. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chuck you gave me a good laugh mate...lol! Thanks everyone, I actually found a place to buy individual punches at $8 each. I only needed 2 letters and 1 number so couldnt justify a whole kit. I agree totally Peter about building up a tool collection. I didnt want to get those eBay ones because, well frankly they suck - really poor imprint quality. I love high quality tools. This is one of those thingsI have never used before and will probably never use again so I didnt want to fork out $200+ for a good set. Soo thanks to everyone who replied anyway ;p) If anyone elese is after good gear at a decent price then try http://www.whiteint.com.au/ They dont sell direct to the public but do have lots of dealers, I found one in Tamworth - Blackburn I think theyre called. Cheers Ash From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 12 12:36:53 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:36:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T Restoring Antique Ice Box - help Message-ID: <820ADA59777248B7ACC7500E82DBEE3D@PAUL> Hey gang my neighbor is restoring one of those old antique ice boxes where you put the block of ice in the top and the cold air circulates around the cabinet. The ice box is lined with thin layers of zinc metal. This zinc has an old cream colored looking chalk like substances all over it that she is trying to clean off. She has been sanding it but it is wearing her out. Does anyone know of any product that would work to clean the yellow chalk like substances off of the inside of the zinc liners? She wanted me to sandblast it but this is out of the question. Thanks for the help. Paul From obise at moscow.com Thu Feb 12 12:37:29 2009 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:37:29 -0800 Subject: [SEL] bending cast iron In-Reply-To: <3CEA422CBFA947B19A509B9B670296E1@billPC> Message-ID: <200902122038.n1CKbdGo003248@mail-gw.fsr.net> I've bent cast-iron with success. The pieces were rather thin and appeared to have been bent at the foundry, probably from breaking them out of the molds while still red hot. I heated the parts to bright red hot--almost yellow hot--before trying to bend them. Then, I clamped them straight. I didn't think that hammering them straight was a very good idea. IMHO, cast iron should be taken to yellow hot before attempting to bend it. I'm not expert, just someone who got the job done to my satisfaction. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill boyce Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 3:59 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] bending cast iron i was wondering if anyone has any experience in bending cast iron.... the mag bracket on my 1 1/2 horse waterloo boy has a slight bend where it bolts over the ignitor, causing the mag to lean down just a little and be out of aligment with the trip bracket,,,, looks like the engine may have tipped over at one point and fell against the mag,,,,the bend is ever so slight,,,,,,,,the material is about 1/4 inch thick at the bend, which is on either side of the oval cut out hole for the ignitor,,,,,, any thoughts on straightning it would be appreciated,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Feb 12 13:14:09 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:14:09 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Make your donation here References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090212211246.00bf2b38@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry there are other donation centers but I have made our donation to the Red Cross , yes I know they have admin costs but they all do .The Banks here are taking donations but Baks are bad news at the moment .So my choice was the Red Cross. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: ; ; Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Make your donation here > At 08:50 PM 12/02/2009, you wrote: > >>Any one wanting to donate funds to the AU Red Cross can do so at the site >>below. >> >>https://www.redcross.org.au/Donations/onlineDonations.asp >> >>Thanks, >>Arthur > > Thanks Arthur, > I'll be making a donation but before I do that I'd like to ask our > Aussie friends if this is the best place make a donation to. > > Not that I have anything against the Red Cross but are there any > other funds set up and in your opinion (that's you Aussie guys) which > would > be the best one to donate to. > Thanks > Jerry > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lfevans at pacbell.net Thu Feb 12 14:47:18 2009 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:47:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T Restoring Antique Ice Box - help In-Reply-To: <820ADA59777248B7ACC7500E82DBEE3D@PAUL> References: <820ADA59777248B7ACC7500E82DBEE3D@PAUL> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20090212144309.04bb9ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Paul, The chalk like material might be minerals left from years of melting ice leaving a residue behind. If this is true a product like Lime-Away from the market might be the answer. Just be sure to test it on some bare zinc someplace to make sure that it isn't attacked by the chemical. Regards, Larry At 12:36 PM 2/12/2009, you wrote: >Hey gang my neighbor is restoring one of those old antique ice boxes where >you put the block of ice in the top and the cold air circulates around the >cabinet. The ice box is lined with thin layers of zinc metal. This zinc >has an old cream colored looking chalk like substances all over it that >she is trying to clean off. She has been sanding it but it is wearing her out. > >Does anyone know of any product that would work to clean the yellow chalk >like substances off of the inside of the zinc liners? > >She wanted me to sandblast it but this is out of the question. > >Thanks for the help. > >Paul > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 12 15:12:31 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:12:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T Restoring Antique Ice Box - help References: <820ADA59777248B7ACC7500E82DBEE3D@PAUL> <6.0.1.1.2.20090212144309.04bb9ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1AE87087DFF7465D88B79C46F07CFD82@PAUL> Thanks Larry, I will pass this information on to the neighbor. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T Restoring Antique Ice Box - help > Paul, > > The chalk like material might be minerals left from years of melting ice > leaving a residue behind. If this is true a product like Lime-Away from > the market might be the answer. Just be sure to test it on some bare zinc > someplace to make sure that it isn't attacked by the chemical. > > Regards, > Larry > > At 12:36 PM 2/12/2009, you wrote: >>Hey gang my neighbor is restoring one of those old antique ice boxes where >>you put the block of ice in the top and the cold air circulates around the >>cabinet. The ice box is lined with thin layers of zinc metal. This zinc >>has an old cream colored looking chalk like substances all over it that >>she is trying to clean off. She has been sanding it but it is wearing her >>out. >> >>Does anyone know of any product that would work to clean the yellow chalk >>like substances off of the inside of the zinc liners? >> >>She wanted me to sandblast it but this is out of the question. >> >>Thanks for the help. >> >>Paul >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Larry Evans > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Thu Feb 12 15:28:30 2009 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:28:30 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T Restoring Antique Ice Box - help References: <820ADA59777248B7ACC7500E82DBEE3D@PAUL> <6.0.1.1.2.20090212144309.04bb9ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B10648B3DE7471491646DBA4E579797@your46e94owx6a> Hi Larry, Glad to see you back on the list again!! Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T Restoring Antique Ice Box - help Paul, The chalk like material might be minerals left from years of melting ice leaving a residue behind. If this is true a product like Lime-Away from the market might be the answer. Just be sure to test it on some bare zinc someplace to make sure that it isn't attacked by the chemical. Regards, Larry At 12:36 PM 2/12/2009, you wrote: >Hey gang my neighbor is restoring one of those old antique >ice boxes where >you put the block of ice in the top and the cold air >circulates around the >cabinet. The ice box is lined with thin layers of zinc >metal. This zinc >has an old cream colored looking chalk like substances all >over it that >she is trying to clean off. She has been sanding it but it >is wearing her out. > >Does anyone know of any product that would work to clean >the yellow chalk >like substances off of the inside of the zinc liners? > >She wanted me to sandblast it but this is out of the >question. > >Thanks for the help. > >Paul > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1950 - Release Date: 02/12/09 18:46:00 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Feb 13 03:15:57 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:15:57 +0000 Subject: [SEL] UK Stationary Engine Forum Message-ID: <6f6025160902130315k6246bcd0he6a9e1a566f00ec0@mail.gmail.com> We recently took over one of the smaller engine forums in the UK, and have now transferred it across to one of our websites. Running the Admin side is not too time-consuming, but it does mean that we will have less time for other activities, so apologies if you don't see much posting from us. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 13 07:02:59 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:02:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Make your donation here Message-ID: At the end of the day it would be interesting to see a summary of donations to the Red Cross in Austrailia in response the the bushfire disaster. Reading the Press Releases on their website it sure looks like a helluva lot of Aussies are stepping up to help their mates and that there's a lot of response from around the world as well. It's nice to see that folks aren't looking at it as "someone else's problem" even when times might be tough economically. I also notice on the Red Cross web site that they will accept any donation over $5.00 AUS. So it's really hard for ANYONE to argue that they just can't afford to make a donation. See ya, Arnie Any one wanting to donate funds to the AU Red Cross can do so at the site below. https://www.redcross.org.au/Donations/onlineDonations.asp Thanks, Arthur On Fri, February 13, 2009 3:19 am, Jerry Evans wrote: > Thanks for all the responses. The Red Cross it is (actually "it was") I've just done it. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Feb 13 08:11:52 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:11:52 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Make your donation here In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090213174804.00be89c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 05:08 PM 13/02/2009, you wrote: >If u find out a better way Jerry ~~Wudju share it w/me ?? Wanna b e SURE >that this money HELPS 'n is NOT stolen nor squandered !! May God be w/ALL >that hurt !!!! Al Boyer Tolland CT USA > > >************** Hi Al, I went with the Red Cross on the suggestion of most of the Aussies. The Red Cross is not going to take any "Admin costs" - everything is going toward helping victims one way or another and they are a reputable organisation. They also send you a nice letter of thanks and a receipt for the "tax man" - obviously automatically generated but that's quite acceptable under the circumstances. Much better than donations to an African Charity - you should just see the salaries, the cars and the homes of the "trustees" of the "Nelson Mandela Childrens Fund". I have a lot of respect for Mr. Mandela himself but the fund is not administered by him. Here is the link for donations to the Aussie Red Cross: Another "plus" is that the whole thing is quite painless (just have your credit card details ready). The site is very fast and extremely easy to use. A feather in their caps! Hopefully it will slow down a bit as soon as all you "Yanks" start logging on to make donations :-) Keep well, Jerry. P.S. Your mail was "off list" I'm copying it back to the lists in spite of the problems I've had today regarding "off list" and "on list" mail. :-) From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Feb 13 09:27:30 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:27:30 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T Restoring Antique Ice Box - help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090213191910.02e4acc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 13/02/2009, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:36:53 -0600 >From: > >Hey gang my neighbor is restoring one of those old antique ice boxes where >you put the block of ice in the top and the cold air circulates around the >cabinet. The ice box is lined with thin layers of zinc metal. This zinc >has an old cream colored looking chalk like substances all over it that >she is trying to clean off. She has been sanding it but it is wearing her out. >Does anyone know of any product that would work to clean the yellow chalk >like substances off of the inside of the zinc liners? >She wanted me to sandblast it but this is out of the question. >Thanks for the help. >Paul Hi Paul, No experience with this but at a guess I'd try washing it with some vinegar (maybe warmed up a bit) or (test carefully first) "Spirits of Salts" Please let us know how she eventually gets it clean. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Feb 13 09:34:35 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:34:35 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 59, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090213193057.02e6ae68@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 13/02/2009, you wrote: >Message: 7 >Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:14:09 +0900 >From: "peter ogborne" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Make your donation here > >Jerry there are other donation centers but I have made our donation to the >Red Cross , yes I know they have admin costs but they all do .The Banks here >are taking donations but Baks are bad news at the moment .So my choice was >the Red Cross. Hi Peter, Thanks for the reply. I'd never trust the banks if yours are anything like our "rip-off" artists. The Red Cross site says that they are accepting these donations and are not taking an admin fee. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Feb 13 10:08:24 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:08:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Make your donation here In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090213174804.00be89c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090213174804.00be89c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <33ac7b110b2f7d4a4ba57fa49a61e0a9.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Jerry, > I went with the Red Cross on the suggestion of most of the > Aussies. The Red Cross is not going to take any "Admin costs" - everything > is going toward helping victims one way or another and they are a > reputable organisation. That was one aspect that I found very attractive. > They also send you a nice letter of thanks and a > receipt for the "tax man" - obviously automatically generated but that's > quite acceptable under the circumstances. How long did that take to receive? > Much better than donations to an African Charity - you should just > see the salaries, the cars and the homes of the "trustees" of the "Nelson > Mandela Childrens Fund". I have a lot of respect for Mr. Mandela himself > but the fund is not administered by him. Here in the States, there was a classic scandal along those lines involving the United Way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Aramony > Here is the link for donations to the Aussie Red Cross: > > Another "plus" is that the whole thing is quite painless (just > have your credit card details ready). The site is very fast and extremely > easy to use. A feather in their caps! > Hopefully it will slow down a bit as soon as all you "Yanks" start logging > on to make donations :-) No worries on that score Jerry. The Yanks are hitting the website while the Aussies are sleeping and vice versa. It just helps to even out the load. See ya, Arnie -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From enginepaul at gmail.com Fri Feb 13 10:11:01 2009 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:11:01 -0800 Subject: [SEL] bending cast iron In-Reply-To: <200902122038.n1CKbdGo003248@mail-gw.fsr.net> References: <3CEA422CBFA947B19A509B9B670296E1@billPC> <200902122038.n1CKbdGo003248@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0902131011h44009205hf27ad095026b303d@mail.gmail.com> You can straighten a cast auto camshaft by striking it with a dull, rounded chisel on the concave side of the bend. That's counter intuitive, but it works up to a few thousandths. The strike 'relaxes' the metal and releases tension allowing it to straighten out. I've done it to cams but never tried straightening a bracket or such. Paul in SanFran - for a while From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Feb 13 18:21:25 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:21:25 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Make your donation here References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090213174804.00be89c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <33ac7b110b2f7d4a4ba57fa49a61e0a9.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <5639B273712D4F2DB7404D0E86FDB01B@acer8ff47bfe9a> To you all ,even living a couple of thousand Km from where this tragedy has hapened the response has been so wonderful , business has donated so generously as have individuals .I heard some one on the radio saying that he would donate his late model Holden Rodeo Ute and a trucky responded and said he would transport it over to Victria from West Australia .I am so grateful the way the response has come in from everyone ,we will have these people in our hearts forever. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Make your donation here > Hi Jerry, > >> I went with the Red Cross on the suggestion of most of the >> Aussies. The Red Cross is not going to take any "Admin costs" - >> everything >> is going toward helping victims one way or another and they are a >> reputable organisation. > > That was one aspect that I found very attractive. > >> They also send you a nice letter of thanks and a >> receipt for the "tax man" - obviously automatically generated but that's >> quite acceptable under the circumstances. > > How long did that take to receive? > >> Much better than donations to an African Charity - you should >> just >> see the salaries, the cars and the homes of the "trustees" of the "Nelson >> Mandela Childrens Fund". I have a lot of respect for Mr. Mandela himself >> but the fund is not administered by him. > > Here in the States, there was a classic scandal along those lines > involving the > United Way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Aramony > >> Here is the link for donations to the Aussie Red Cross: >> >> Another "plus" is that the whole thing is quite painless (just >> have your credit card details ready). The site is very fast and extremely >> easy to use. A feather in their caps! >> Hopefully it will slow down a bit as soon as all you "Yanks" start >> logging >> on to make donations :-) > > No worries on that score Jerry. The Yanks are hitting the website while > the Aussies > are sleeping and vice versa. It just helps to even out the load. > > See ya, Arnie > > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From oldengines at bigpond.com Sun Feb 15 01:45:05 2009 From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron Sullivan) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:45:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] bentall dating Message-ID: <001601c98f52$14d58e80$1c02a8c0@ronliz> Hi All I am trying to date my 4hp vertical Bentall which has stock no 128152. It appears to of had one of the self starter impulse arrangements and I am also after some more information and pictures on this, thanks in advance Ron & Liz Sullivan oldengines at bigpond.com From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Feb 16 15:28:28 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:28:28 EST Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: Test-no SEL mail since last Friday Tom **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe bemailfooterNO62) From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Feb 16 15:35:19 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:35:19 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Test References: Message-ID: <6F6434082B8A414198A59CD1DF5074F2@peterlowe> Loud and clear here in Oz Tom Peter. > Test-no SEL mail since last Friday > > Tom > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe > bemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Feb 16 16:06:39 2009 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:06:39 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Test References: <6F6434082B8A414198A59CD1DF5074F2@peterlowe> Message-ID: <011701c99093$9c57ecd0$3a290556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Test > Loud and clear here in Oz Tom > > Peter. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1955 - Release Date: 02/16/09 06:55:00 From weolson at wiktel.com Mon Feb 16 16:20:46 2009 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:20:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1056351564.20090216182046@wiktel.com> Hi Germoamer, Monday, February 16, 2009, 5:28:28 PM, you wrote: Gac> Test-no SEL mail since last Friday Gac> Gac> Tom Gac> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Gac> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Also good in the Frozen, Extreme Northern Minnesota, USA Got up to maybe plus 8 F. -- William Olson mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Mon Feb 16 18:37:23 2009 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:37:23 EST Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: Same here....i'm getting withdrawals!! Gotta have my SEL!! Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV The older the violin....the sweeter the music! ************** Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Feb 16 18:57:21 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:57:21 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <20090216.185722.2116.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Wink. Did the rain make it out your way? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:37:23 EST WinkAndGinger at aol.com writes: > Same here....i'm getting withdrawals!! Gotta have my SEL!! > > Wink & Ginger Thornton, > Yucca Valley Ca., USA > KG6TVW, KG6TVV > The older the violin....the sweeter the music! > ____________________________________________________________ Click now for fast, effective bail bonds! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2QoLkD3BgvlhDLS3ZHzBnnVniBO3LMw3DvSKVEImevI8Lp7/ From andyglines at hotmail.com Tue Feb 17 07:20:34 2009 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:20:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] bending cast iron In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill, I would recommend that you leave the bent casting alone. Just shim the mag as needed to make it sit level. If you do decide to straighten the bracket be sure to keep the pieces so that you can use them for a pattern to have a new bracket cast. > 11. bending cast iron (bill boyce)> Message: 11> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:58:54 -0600> From: "bill boyce" > Subject: [SEL] bending cast iron> i was wondering if anyone has any experience in bending cast iron.... the mag bracket on my 1 1/2 horse waterloo boy has a slight bend where it bolts over the ignitor, causing the mag to lean down just a little and be out of aligment with the trip bracket,,,, looks like the engine may have tipped over at one point and fell against the mag,,,,the bend is ever so slight,,,,,,,,the material is about 1/4 inch thick at the bend, which is on either side of the oval cut out hole for the ignitor,,,,,, any thoughts on straightning it would be appreciated,,,> bill boyce _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 From George_Best at adp.com Tue Feb 17 08:20:49 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:20:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> I know the SEL messages have been getting fewer and farther between. Not sure why. However, you can try the forums that Spencer set up the end of 2007 and read a few postings there. http://www.atis.net/forums/index.php The forums Spencer set up have a few diehards (including myself) still giving it a chance to attract some posters. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Feb 17 14:03:47 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:03:47 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT: Jeep gas tank Message-ID: <20090217.140348.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I am cross posting this to several lists so you may get it more than once, sorry. My son has a 1950 flat fender jeep. The stock gas tank looked like a screen door so he bought a plastic replacement. The problem is the cap won't go on tight enough to not pour gas out when it leans to the driver side. I am looking for a filler neck that would take the large cap like the original, that I can graft on. What else would have the big opening, as looking for an original wasted tank limits it too much? Yes we threw the original tank away before we realized we needed it. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click to find deals on home theater systems. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2npSlHQCj7nWgC3skZMM5Te3fL1Sc0aIjmk40jvO1j0BOFP/ From rotigel at me.com Tue Feb 17 16:29:23 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:29:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show Message-ID: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> I've been off list for about a month, so if this has been covered-- sorry! I'll be at the ZOLFO Show from start to finish (March 4th to March 8th.) Will anyone else from the SEL be there? Dave From jbcast at charter.net Tue Feb 17 17:22:55 2009 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:22:55 -0800 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> Message-ID: <20090217202255.7MJ9G.917249.root@mp13> ---- David Rotigel wrote: > I've been off list for about a month, so if this has been covered-- > sorry! I'll be at the ZOLFO Show from start to finish (March 4th to > March 8th.) Will anyone else from the SEL be there? > Dave > _______________________________________________ I don't think I'll make it Dave, but it's good to see you're back, was about to send a search party after you. J.B. Castagnos From rob at rustyiron.com Tue Feb 17 18:32:17 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:32:17 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Because messages that require pictures can't be posted here? Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Feb 17, 2009, at 8:20 AM, Best, George wrote: > I know the SEL messages have been getting fewer and farther between. > Not sure why. From rotigel at me.com Tue Feb 17 19:25:51 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:25:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> But keep in mind Rob-- A GREAT man once said "A word is worth a thousand pictures!" Dave On Feb 17, 2009, at 9:32 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > Because messages that require pictures can't be posted here? > > > Rob Skinner > Antique Stationary Engines > La Habra, California > > rob at rustyiron.com > www.rustyiron.com > > > > > On Feb 17, 2009, at 8:20 AM, Best, George wrote: > >> I know the SEL messages have been getting fewer and farther between. >> Not sure why. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Feb 17 19:27:34 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:27:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: I wonder how hard it would be to make the change to allow pictures ? Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Rob Skinner Sent: Tue 2/17/2009 9:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages Because messages that require pictures can't be posted here? Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Feb 17, 2009, at 8:20 AM, Best, George wrote: > I know the SEL messages have been getting fewer and farther between. > Not sure why. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Feb 17 19:41:27 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:41:27 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Jim's list & Slick allow pics. Thats why I use them If someone does the wrong thing and sends oversize pics, the MEMBERS jump on them. I hate going to these pic sites, like Webshots, and being bombarded with ads . Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kangas, James G." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages I wonder how hard it would be to make the change to allow pictures ? Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Rob Skinner Sent: Tue 2/17/2009 9:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages Because messages that require pictures can't be posted here? Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Feb 17, 2009, at 8:20 AM, Best, George wrote: > I know the SEL messages have been getting fewer and farther between. > Not sure why. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 21:27:23 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:27:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT: Jeep gas tank In-Reply-To: <20090217.140348.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <20090218052725.141604C8CC5@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi Ron, looks like a trip to the local Pick and Pull with the battery operated sawzall. Good luck Jimmy Ps, How about one of those neat Nascar systems? Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:04 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; at at lists.antique-tractor.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] OT: Jeep gas tank Hi all. I am cross posting this to several lists so you may get it more than once, sorry. My son has a 1950 flat fender jeep. The stock gas tank looked like a screen door so he bought a plastic replacement. The problem is the cap won't go on tight enough to not pour gas out when it leans to the driver side. I am looking for a filler neck that would take the large cap like the original, that I can graft on. What else would have the big opening, as looking for an original wasted tank limits it too much? Yes we threw the original tank away before we realized we needed it. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click to find deals on home theater systems. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2npSlHQCj7nWgC3skZMM5Te3fL 1Sc0aIjmk40jvO1j0BOFP/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Feb 17 22:59:04 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:59:04 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> Message-ID: <6750428E104B43C19774AB3ED5398935@KerryPC> Darling I missed you Kerry > I've been off list for about a month, > Dave From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 01:34:29 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:34:29 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160902180134m73b6dfb6g2e56a46da42d8e59@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/18 Kangas, James G. : > I wonder how hard it would be to make the change to allow pictures ? > Jim K. Pretty difficult, Jim. The reason that Internet Forums have become so prevalent is that you can get the software and hosting for less than $200, with yearly renewals of about $50. That gives you a very comprehensive package that covers almost all your needs, which is why it is so popular. The email list software is much simpler and is basically a relay mechanism that forwards out all emails that come in from the subscribed members. We run Vbulletin on the UK Engine Forum, it's $180 to buy and gives you free updates for a year. The ATIS forum is based on that, although Spencer hasn't updated to the latest software release. Smokstak is also based on similar software, it looks like Vbulletin but may be one of the others. Forums take a lot of running and admin effort, you have to watch for spam registrations, sort out the flame wars etc etc., but we have a core block of young guys that enjoy their engines, and I do like to encourage the youngsters to get into the hobby. Email lists are almost self-running, not a lot of maintenance is required. There's also an newer setup called ProBoard (www.proboard.com) which is free but they place adverts on the forum pages, which I personally don't like. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 01:36:01 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:36:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160902180136k58d23680y5cf686db1fa20c08@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/18 R & M Ingold : > I hate going to these pic sites, like Webshots, and being bombarded with ads > Reg & Marg Ingold. Yep, agree with that, they are free but the viewer pays the price! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 01:40:39 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:40:39 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160902180140y2e64d6b5id5a1ed95b8d64b8d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/18 Rob Skinner : > Because messages that require pictures can't be posted here? > Rob Skinner That may well be a contributory factor, Rob, but I think that the plethora of sites on the internet has diluted the input a lot. Back in the late 1990's there weren't that many engine sites of 'any' kind, now you have probably more than you can handle on a daily basis, especially with sites like Harry Matthew's 'Smokstak', which takes a goodly time to go through each day. If you include the marine engine sites etc., I'd guess that there are probably 10-20 internet sites/forums now, and you just cannot spend time on all of them. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 05:06:56 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:06:56 +0000 Subject: [SEL] bentall dating In-Reply-To: <001601c98f52$14d58e80$1c02a8c0@ronliz> References: <001601c98f52$14d58e80$1c02a8c0@ronliz> Message-ID: <6f6025160902180506w55f502cbp11c53cb0e9b857f2@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/15 Ron Sullivan : > Hi All > I am trying to date my 4hp vertical Bentall which has stock no 128152. It appears to of had one of the self starter impulse arrangements and I am also after some more information and pictures on this, > thanks in advance > Ron & Liz Sullivan Ron: Robert jackson runs the Helpline in Stationary Engine magazine, he is one of the few sources of info on the engines. I don't take the mag any more, but one of the other Oz guys should be able to help with his postal address. I don't think he is on email, snail only. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Feb 18 05:31:18 2009 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:31:18 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160902180136k58d23680y5cf686db1fa20c08@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006701c991cd$2fb62840$3a290556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages > 2009/2/18 R & M Ingold : >> I hate going to these pic sites, like Webshots, and being bombarded with ads >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Yep, agree with that, they are free but the viewer pays the price! > Peter Hi Peter, The most annoying part of Webshots is that it isn't free to people who put a reasonable amount of work there, It costs about ?21 a year. It is very annoying that the people who we want to see our pictures get stuck with the pushy adverts. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Wed Feb 18 06:11:29 2009 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:11:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160902180136k58d23680y5cf686db1fa20c08@mail.gmail.com> <006701c991cd$2fb62840$3a290556@intrepid> Message-ID: <01a701c991d2$cbf105e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> I have over 6,000 photos on Webshots. But since I have had an account for years I don't see any advertisements when I go to look at my pics. I don't know how pushy their advertisements are. I may be a bit too heavily invested in Webshots to change now, but I find their yearly fee of around 20 Dollars to be quite reasonable. I can upload up to 50,000 photos and they are all available for me to link to any forums, sites etc. that I choose. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages > 2009/2/18 R & M Ingold : >> I hate going to these pic sites, like Webshots, and being bombarded with >> ads >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Yep, agree with that, they are free but the viewer pays the price! > Peter Hi Peter, The most annoying part of Webshots is that it isn't free to people who put a reasonable amount of work there, It costs about ?21 a year. It is very annoying that the people who we want to see our pictures get stuck with the pushy adverts. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Feb 18 06:50:07 2009 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:50:07 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160902180136k58d23680y5cf686db1fa20c08@mail.gmail.com><006701c991cd$2fb62840$3a290556@intrepid> <01a701c991d2$cbf105e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <001201c991d8$32194490$3a290556@intrepid> Hi Rick, I didn't realise the effect of the adverts until people told me that they were not willing to put up with the adverts. Try logging on to my, or your site but not being logged in as a member. The adverts we object to are not the side adverts with the picture visible but the ones that take the full screen with no close button. PS I just tried it and perhaps all the complaints we make are getting somewhere as the adverts didn't appear (for the First Time) Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine Foundation" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages I have over 6,000 photos on Webshots. But since I have had an account for years I don't see any advertisements when I go to look at my pics. I don't know how pushy their advertisements are. I may be a bit too heavily invested in Webshots to change now, but I find their yearly fee of around 20 Dollars to be quite reasonable. I can upload up to 50,000 photos and they are all available for me to link to any forums, sites etc. that I choose. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages > 2009/2/18 R & M Ingold : >> I hate going to these pic sites, like Webshots, and being bombarded with >> ads >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Yep, agree with that, they are free but the viewer pays the price! > Peter Hi Peter, The most annoying part of Webshots is that it isn't free to people who put a reasonable amount of work there, It costs about ?21 a year. It is very annoying that the people who we want to see our pictures get stuck with the pushy adverts. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1957 - Release Date: 02/17/09 07:07:00 From christison at coastalnet.com Wed Feb 18 06:54:19 2009 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:54:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: <01a701c991d2$cbf105e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160902180136k58d23680y5cf686db1fa20c08@mail.gmail.com> <006701c991cd$2fb62840$3a290556@intrepid> <01a701c991d2$cbf105e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <499C211B.3020409@coastalnet.com> I use Flickr which is a nominal $25 per year, http://www.flickr.com/photos/kenskritters/ and don't think it has ads. I might be wrong, but when I am not logged on it doesn't show ads. As far as large attachments go, I use the same program with my syrupmakers and gristmillers lists, and there is an option for allowing attachments and I don't believe there is a size limit, though I haven't upped it because of the folks on dial-up. For those on dial up, the simple way to take care of large files is to use mailwasher to screen all your messages. It they are larger than you have time to wait for, you can just delete them from the server. I do that quite often, usually for anything over 1MB in size. It takes me 5 to 7 minutes per MB. Unlike Rob, my only access to broadband is with satellite, and I don't see spending $70 or $80 bucks monthly for a slower service than my son gets with DSL in town 5 miles away. Take care. Ken From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Wed Feb 18 07:12:50 2009 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:12:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160902180136k58d23680y5cf686db1fa20c08@mail.gmail.com><006701c991cd$2fb62840$3a290556@intrepid><01a701c991d2$cbf105e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <001201c991d8$32194490$3a290556@intrepid> Message-ID: <01c501c991db$5d516310$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> I just tried it and did not get any full screen ads, just the ususal sidebars and Google type ads. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages Hi Rick, I didn't realise the effect of the adverts until people told me that they were not willing to put up with the adverts. Try logging on to my, or your site but not being logged in as a member. The adverts we object to are not the side adverts with the picture visible but the ones that take the full screen with no close button. PS I just tried it and perhaps all the complaints we make are getting somewhere as the adverts didn't appear (for the First Time) Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine Foundation" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages I have over 6,000 photos on Webshots. But since I have had an account for years I don't see any advertisements when I go to look at my pics. I don't know how pushy their advertisements are. I may be a bit too heavily invested in Webshots to change now, but I find their yearly fee of around 20 Dollars to be quite reasonable. I can upload up to 50,000 photos and they are all available for me to link to any forums, sites etc. that I choose. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages > 2009/2/18 R & M Ingold : >> I hate going to these pic sites, like Webshots, and being bombarded with >> ads >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Yep, agree with that, they are free but the viewer pays the price! > Peter Hi Peter, The most annoying part of Webshots is that it isn't free to people who put a reasonable amount of work there, It costs about ?21 a year. It is very annoying that the people who we want to see our pictures get stuck with the pushy adverts. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1957 - Release Date: 02/17/09 07:07:00 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Feb 18 08:24:09 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:24:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> Message-ID: Dave: I'll be there Friday and Saturday with the Hoyt-Clagwell and the Homebrew engine profidin' the crid don't rise and the Lord's a-willin'. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 06:29 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show > > > I've been off list for about a month, so if this > has been covered-- > sorry! I'll be at the ZOLFO Show from start to > finish (March 4th to > March 8th.) Will anyone else from the SEL be there? > Dave From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 07:32:26 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:32:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: <01c501c991db$5d516310$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160902180136k58d23680y5cf686db1fa20c08@mail.gmail.com> <006701c991cd$2fb62840$3a290556@intrepid> <01a701c991d2$cbf105e0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <001201c991d8$32194490$3a290556@intrepid> <01c501c991db$5d516310$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <6f6025160902180732g3d2dbcbch57b3304bbe309403@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/18 Tod Engine Foundation : > I just tried it and did not get any full screen ads, just the ususal > sidebars and Google type ads. > > Rick I think it only applies to 'non-account' visitors. Certainly it is one place I don't go to unless absolutely necessary. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From George_Best at adp.com Wed Feb 18 07:33:35 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:33:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F70EA1@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Rob, You can post message that require pictures ;-) www.irontrader.com/graphics/Benz.jpg The problem is you need some place to load the picture so it can be linked to. Some of us have places we can store pictures without forcing people to register or view ads, but I can see where it is a problem for a lot of people. Of course you can also use the ATIS forums ;-) You can post pictures there and not have any ads popping up. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages Because messages that require pictures can't be posted here? Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Feb 18 07:47:12 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:47:12 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> Message-ID: <90C318F7-0498-456B-8BC2-CB78FA03224D@rustyiron.com> On Feb 17, 2009, at 7:25 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > But keep in mind Rob-- A GREAT man once said "A word is worth a > thousand pictures!" > Dave Word, brother! From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Feb 18 07:52:59 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:52:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: <6f6025160902180134m73b6dfb6g2e56a46da42d8e59@mail.gmail.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160902180134m73b6dfb6g2e56a46da42d8e59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 18, 2009, at 1:34 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > 2009/2/18 Kangas, James G. : >> I wonder how hard it would be to make the change to allow pictures ? >> Jim K. > > Pretty difficult, Jim. That's not true, Peter. Spencer runs MailMan. Administration is via a webpage, and all it takes is changing one value in one field, to allow larger messages. It's so easy that it's no wonder that MailMan is one of the more popular mailing list programs. From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 18 08:16:41 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:16:41 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> Message-ID: <73e80d130bea6124d0dd5fe5fb53a4bc@dickerson-design.com> So you put your pics on photobucket, or a web site or file sharing facility and send us a link to it! On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:25:51 -0500, David Rotigel wrote: > But keep in mind Rob-- A GREAT man once said "A word is worth a > thousand pictures!" > Dave > > On Feb 17, 2009, at 9:32 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > >> Because messages that require pictures can't be posted here? >> >> >> Rob Skinner >> Antique Stationary Engines >> La Habra, California >> >> rob at rustyiron.com >> www.rustyiron.com >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 17, 2009, at 8:20 AM, Best, George wrote: >> >>> I know the SEL messages have been getting fewer and farther between. >>> Not sure why. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 18 08:24:41 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:24:41 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: <6f6025160902180134m73b6dfb6g2e56a46da42d8e59@mail.gmail.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160902180134m73b6dfb6g2e56a46da42d8e59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I run http://theamcforum.com <- our intro page, then our forum pages -> http://theamcforum.com/forum It does take time and effort and you need moderators, but we have typically over 200 members visit each day and many times that in guests poking around. We're going to grow with a downloads area for documentation, etc. and already have an area where the historians can post scans of original factory bulletins, etc. It's gone so well that last year Edelbrock asked if they could advertise on our site, but alas, Edelbrock is now laying off and dropped the advertising bit. We have safeguards in place, such as email confirmation for activating accounts before they can post. I still go in and delete several dozen unactivated accounts each month, but spamming has been minimal, and a couple of the mods are quick on the trigger and kill spam as fast as it appears. We also have a 10 regular post minimum before members can post anything for sale. Stops the drive-bys looking for free advertising. Takes a couple hundred a year for hosing as it's ASP and SQL based and we do use over 20gig a month bandwidth. The forum software I got lucky on and got in on a special - one month only, free lifetime upgrades. It includes image and file uploading abilities (want to post a photo, upload it right to the forum) It will also display embedded youtube, etc. I'm looking toward an upgrade in the next few weeks, newer version with even more features. May even add a chat feature. but this all takes time and dedication, and if something goes amiss, you or someone you trust needs to be available! If it ain't up 24/7/365, folks get a bit irritated. Bill On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:34:29 +0000, Listerdiesel wrote: > 2009/2/18 Kangas, James G. : >> I wonder how hard it would be to make the change to allow pictures ? >> Jim K. > > Pretty difficult, Jim. > > The reason that Internet Forums have become so prevalent is that you > can get the software and hosting for less than $200, with yearly > renewals of about $50. That gives you a very comprehensive package > that covers almost all your needs, which is why it is so popular. > > The email list software is much simpler and is basically a relay > mechanism that forwards out all emails that come in from the > subscribed members. > > We run Vbulletin on the UK Engine Forum, it's $180 to buy and gives > you free updates for a year. The ATIS forum is based on that, although > Spencer hasn't updated to the latest software release. > > Smokstak is also based on similar software, it looks like Vbulletin > but may be one of the others. > > Forums take a lot of running and admin effort, you have to watch for > spam registrations, sort out the flame wars etc etc., but we have a > core block of young guys that enjoy their engines, and I do like to > encourage the youngsters to get into the hobby. Email lists are almost > self-running, not a lot of maintenance is required. > > There's also an newer setup called ProBoard (www.proboard.com) which > is free but they place adverts on the forum pages, which I personally > don't like. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 18 08:25:05 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:25:05 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: <6f6025160902180136k58d23680y5cf686db1fa20c08@mail.gmail.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160902180136k58d23680y5cf686db1fa20c08@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Block the ads and pop-ups.......... On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:36:01 +0000, Listerdiesel wrote: > 2009/2/18 R & M Ingold : >> I hate going to these pic sites, like Webshots, and being bombarded with > ads >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > Yep, agree with that, they are free but the viewer pays the price! > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Feb 18 08:34:40 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:34:40 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages In-Reply-To: <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> Message-ID: The quote as i recall: A thousand pictures can be drawn from one word, only who is the artist, we gotta agree" Great man, I agree......... On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:25:51 -0500, David Rotigel wrote: > But keep in mind Rob-- A GREAT man once said "A word is worth a > thousand pictures!" > Dave > > On Feb 17, 2009, at 9:32 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > >> Because messages that require pictures can't be posted here? >> >> >> Rob Skinner >> Antique Stationary Engines >> La Habra, California >> >> rob at rustyiron.com >> www.rustyiron.com >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 17, 2009, at 8:20 AM, Best, George wrote: >> >>> I know the SEL messages have been getting fewer and farther between. >>> Not sure why. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Wed Feb 18 09:26:28 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:26:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> Message-ID: A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web page so that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site going out of business again and I can do alot more this way. Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and if there are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here is the Website http://gasenginetom.com/index.html I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have loaded a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always be adding to the site so check back often :) Thanks Tom Winland Ohio _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From George_Best at adp.com Wed Feb 18 09:44:55 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:44:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F712F1@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Tom, it looks nice! George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:26 AM To: SEL list Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web page so that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site going out of business again and I can do alot more this way. Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and if there are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here is the Website http://gasenginetom.com/index.html I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have loaded a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always be adding to the site so check back often :) Thanks Tom Winland Ohio _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together-at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Wed Feb 18 09:45:03 2009 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:45:03 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> Message-ID: <96186EDCB4A54B16B47F7202F473CD59@Waynexp> Tom, Nice site looks like you have put in a lot of thought. I don't see a link to the PORN! WT -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:26 AM To: SEL list Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web page so that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site going out of business again and I can do alot more this way. Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and if there are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here is the Website http://gasenginetom.com/index.html I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have loaded a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always be adding to the site so check back often :) Thanks Tom Winland Ohio _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together-at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kosh at ncweb.com Wed Feb 18 09:46:21 2009 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:46:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090218124352.0468da50@ncweb.com> Very nice site! Excellent photo galleries. Dave Merchant At 12:26 PM 2/18/2009, you wrote: > A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web page > so that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site going out of > business again and I can do alot more this way. > > > >Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and if there >are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here is the Website > > > >http://gasenginetom.com/index.html > > > >I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have >loaded a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always be >adding to the site so check back often :) > > > >Thanks > >Tom Winland > >Ohio > >_________________________________________________________________ >See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. >http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From kosh at ncweb.com Wed Feb 18 10:05:00 2009 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:05:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) In-Reply-To: <96186EDCB4A54B16B47F7202F473CD59@Waynexp> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090218130433.02f6be40@ncweb.com> Sure he did! http://gasenginetom.com/10_HP_Acme.html Dave Merchant At 12:45 PM 2/18/2009, you wrote: >Tom, > >Nice site looks like you have put in a lot of thought. I don't see a link to >the PORN! > >WT > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland >Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:26 AM >To: SEL list >Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) > > > > A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web page so >that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site going out of >business again and I can do alot more this way. > > > >Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and if there >are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here is the Website > > > >http://gasenginetom.com/index.html > > > >I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have loaded >a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always be adding to >the site so check back often :) > > > >Thanks > >Tom Winland > >Ohio > >_________________________________________________________________ >See how Windows Mobile brings your life together-at home, work, or on the >go. >http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Wed Feb 18 10:36:33 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:36:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) In-Reply-To: <96186EDCB4A54B16B47F7202F473CD59@Waynexp> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> <96186EDCB4A54B16B47F7202F473CD59@Waynexp> Message-ID: maybe I'll put a porn link on just for you Wayne :) lol > From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:45:03 -0800 > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Engine Website :) > > Tom, > > Nice site looks like you have put in a lot of thought. I don't see a link to > the PORN! > > WT > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:26 AM > To: SEL list > Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) > > > > A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web page so > that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site going out of > business again and I can do alot more this way. > > > > Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and if there > are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here is the Website > > > > http://gasenginetom.com/index.html > > > > I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have loaded > a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always be adding to > the site so check back often :) > > > > Thanks > > Tom Winland > > Ohio > > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows Mobile brings your life together-at home, work, or on the > go. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From curt at rustyiron.com Wed Feb 18 11:06:05 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:06:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [SEL] OT: Jeep gas tank In-Reply-To: <20090217.140348.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20090217.140348.1568.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <59377.168.215.206.73.1234983965.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Ron, In your neck of the woods is Willys America in Casadera (sp?) They have many old parts and just might have a screen door version of gas tank the neck can be robbed off of. You working on a military version or a domestic wagon? We have been working on this one for a year and a half. Restoration photos are here: and photos from the day we picked it up: Here is the inspiration photo we are working towards: Where you see the white, ours will be a sea foam green. Real nice contrast to the dark metallic green. Have any photos of your project? Curt Holland > Hi all. I am cross posting this to several lists so you may get it more > than once, sorry. > My son has a 1950 flat fender jeep. The stock gas tank looked like a > screen door so he bought a plastic replacement. The problem is the cap > won't go on tight enough to not pour gas out when it leans to the driver > side. I am looking for a filler neck that would take the large cap like > the original, that I can graft on. What else would have the big opening, > as looking for an original wasted tank limits it too much? Yes we threw > the original tank away before we realized we needed it. Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to find deals on home theater systems. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2npSlHQCj7nWgC3skZMM5Te3fL1Sc0aIjmk40jvO1j0BOFP/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Feb 18 11:20:09 2009 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:20:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> <96186EDCB4A54B16B47F7202F473CD59@Waynexp> Message-ID: <72C9885A3C4242A7901912DE345FC7DB@Ed> Just an idea if you have the flexibility. How about a Trading Post where if we have some odd parts available, we could add them to a "To Sell List "and if we need something we could add it to a "Parts Needed" list. A percentage of the sale price could go to helping with site expenses. We would need a well thought out format for the lists to facilitate a search function. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Winland" To: "SEL list" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Engine Website :) maybe I'll put a porn link on just for you Wayne :) lol > From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:45:03 -0800 > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Engine Website :) > > Tom, > > Nice site looks like you have put in a lot of thought. I don't see a link > to > the PORN! > > WT > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:26 AM > To: SEL list > Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) > > > > A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web page so > that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site going out of > business again and I can do alot more this way. > > > > Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and if there > are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here is the > Website > > > > http://gasenginetom.com/index.html > > > > I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have > loaded > a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always be adding to > the site so check back often :) > > > > Thanks > > Tom Winland > > Ohio > > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows Mobile brings your life together-at home, work, or on the > go. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Wed Feb 18 11:37:27 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:37:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) In-Reply-To: <72C9885A3C4242A7901912DE345FC7DB@Ed> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> <96186EDCB4A54B16B47F7202F473CD59@Waynexp> <72C9885A3C4242A7901912DE345FC7DB@Ed> Message-ID: That's a good idea, I'll have to look into see whether I can get it to let other's post directly to the site or whether you would have to email me and I could post it. Tom > From: edstoller at earthlink.net > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:20:09 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Engine Website :) > > Just an idea if you have the flexibility. How about a Trading Post where if > we have some odd parts available, we could add them to a "To Sell List "and > if we need something we could add it to a "Parts Needed" list. A percentage > of the sale price could go to helping with site expenses. We would need a > well thought out format for the lists to facilitate a search function. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Winland" > To: "SEL list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Engine Website :) > > > > maybe I'll put a porn link on just for you Wayne :) lol > > > From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:45:03 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Engine Website :) > > > > Tom, > > > > Nice site looks like you have put in a lot of thought. I don't see a link > > to > > the PORN! > > > > WT > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland > > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:26 AM > > To: SEL list > > Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) > > > > > > > > A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web page so > > that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site going out of > > business again and I can do alot more this way. > > > > > > > > Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and if there > > are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here is the > > Website > > > > > > > > http://gasenginetom.com/index.html > > > > > > > > I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have > > loaded > > a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always be adding to > > the site so check back often :) > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Tom Winland > > > > Ohio > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > See how Windows Mobile brings your life together-at home, work, or on the > > go. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the > go. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From rotigel at me.com Wed Feb 18 12:17:04 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:17:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) In-Reply-To: <72C9885A3C4242A7901912DE345FC7DB@Ed> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> <96186EDCB4A54B16B47F7202F473CD59@Waynexp> <72C9885A3C4242A7901912DE345FC7DB@Ed> Message-ID: <9B3C9C62-16F6-42A0-8774-CAD7C7DD73F8@me.com> Harry's SMOKESTAK does a nice job of that already. Dave On Feb 18, 2009, at 2:20 PM, Ed stoller wrote: > Just an idea if you have the flexibility. How about a Trading Post > where if > we have some odd parts available, we could add them to a "To Sell > List "and > if we need something we could add it to a "Parts Needed" list. A > percentage > of the sale price could go to helping with site expenses. We would > need a > well thought out format for the lists to facilitate a search function. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Winland" > To: "SEL list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Engine Website :) > > > > maybe I'll put a porn link on just for you Wayne :) lol > >> From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:45:03 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [SEL] New Engine Website :) >> >> Tom, >> >> Nice site looks like you have put in a lot of thought. I don't see >> a link >> to >> the PORN! >> >> WT >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom >> Winland >> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:26 AM >> To: SEL list >> Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) >> >> >> >> A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web >> page so >> that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site going out of >> business again and I can do alot more this way. >> >> >> >> Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and >> if there >> are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here is the >> Website >> >> >> >> http://gasenginetom.com/index.html >> >> >> >> I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have >> loaded >> a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always be >> adding to >> the site so check back often :) >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Tom Winland >> >> Ohio >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> See how Windows Mobile brings your life together-at home, work, or >> on the >> go. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or > on the > go. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Feb 18 12:26:21 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:26:21 EST Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) Message-ID: Tom, Very nice site. The wooden engine is really neat. How did you come by it, and does it run? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Wed Feb 18 12:53:40 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:53:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I heard about this wooden engine from an old timer in the area that said he remembered an old engine that had a chain driven cam shaft on the farm next to his when he was a kid and it ran a water pump, that story started the chase by locating the farm and then the family that lived there during the time he was a kid and then down thru the family because it kept getting passed down and finally after about a year I finally found it and talked to the owner and it still took a couple more years till I could buy the engine.  I have not tried to start the engine since I've owned it because I'm kinda scared that the wood might be getting to brittle and fly apart.   Only metal parts are cylinder, piston, crankshaft, and valve system.  Even the bearings are wooden.  The hopper is made kinda like Stovepipe Domestic in that is has the tin wrapped around the cylinder and the ends are wooden.  It has hot tube ignition, a skip link chain that drives a cam shaft that operates both intake and exhaust valve.  It has a pendulum governor that actuates the intake valve and opens the valve when it needs fuel to fire.   It's a very interesting engine to sit and study and for now it just sits on the shelf until the day I get the nerve to try and start it up. :) http://gasenginetom.com/Wooden_Engine.html Tom Winland Ohio > From: Germoamer at aol.com > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:26:21 -0500 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Engine Website :) > > Tom, > > Very nice site. The wooden engine is really neat. How did you come by it, > and does it run? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID > %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Feb 18 12:54:08 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:54:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Low amount of messages References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <6f6025160902180134m73b6dfb6g2e56a46da42d8e59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm familar with VBulletin.It seems like the standard form web forums.I do like the mailing lists as I can read and reply while at work(no web access allowed).Have you considered Yahoo groups? Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Listerdiesel Sent: Wed 2/18/2009 4:34 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Low amount of messages 2009/2/18 Kangas, James G. : > I wonder how hard it would be to make the change to allow pictures ? > Jim K. Pretty difficult, Jim. The reason that Internet Forums have become so prevalent is that you can get the software and hosting for less than $200, with yearly renewals of about $50. That gives you a very comprehensive package that covers almost all your needs, which is why it is so popular. The email list software is much simpler and is basically a relay mechanism that forwards out all emails that come in from the subscribed members. We run Vbulletin on the UK Engine Forum, it's $180 to buy and gives you free updates for a year. The ATIS forum is based on that, although Spencer hasn't updated to the latest software release. Smokstak is also based on similar software, it looks like Vbulletin but may be one of the others. Forums take a lot of running and admin effort, you have to watch for spam registrations, sort out the flame wars etc etc., but we have a core block of young guys that enjoy their engines, and I do like to encourage the youngsters to get into the hobby. Email lists are almost self-running, not a lot of maintenance is required. There's also an newer setup called ProBoard (www.proboard.com) which is free but they place adverts on the forum pages, which I personally don't like. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Feb 18 15:00:26 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:00:26 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New Engine Website :) In-Reply-To: References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> Message-ID: <1D8C056E-9EC8-4917-82AD-A634EA2CC1F1@rustyiron.com> NICE WORK, Tom! The only problem I see is the broken link in between the Klein and the "For Sale" area :-) Rob On Feb 18, 2009, at 9:26 AM, Tom Winland wrote: > > > A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web > page so that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site > going out of business again and I can do alot more this way. > > > > Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and if > there are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here > is the Website > > > > http://gasenginetom.com/index.html > > > > I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have > loaded a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always > be adding to the site so check back often :) > > > > Thanks > > Tom Winland > > Ohio From bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com Wed Feb 18 15:56:10 2009 From: bmatthews at matthewsfarm.com (Bob Matthews) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:56:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> Message-ID: <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> Dave, Jim and I plan on being there. Bob << Bob Matthews, NW Ohio >> David Rotigel wrote: > I've been off list for about a month, so if this has been covered-- > sorry! I'll be at the ZOLFO Show from start to finish (March 4th to > March 8th.) Will anyone else from the SEL be there? > Dave > _______________________________________________ > -- From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Wed Feb 18 18:35:33 2009 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:35:33 +0900 Subject: [SEL] [SPAM] New Engine Website :) References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909F07452@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><856276D3-DDF2-4D39-A86C-55E8A9A0BE80@me.com> Message-ID: <47F7F1B6DDE94563A0B8406F74615CAF@armstrong> Hello Tom, Your web page is well set up and easy to show your engines, I have my web page with http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/ I use the Microsoft FrontPage program it takes a time to do but it seems to work ok for me. and it free regards Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Winland" To: "SEL list" Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:26 AM Subject: [SPAM] [SEL] New Engine Website :) A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web page so that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site going out of business again and I can do alot more this way. Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and if there are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here is the Website http://gasenginetom.com/index.html I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have loaded a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always be adding to the site so check back often :) Thanks Tom Winland Ohio _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Feb 19 16:50:50 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:50:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New York Message-ID: <224EACF5B1BD439780E03A0722ED8736@REG> Hi all. I have a friend, Phil Dorman, who is going to New York with his wife from Feb 22 to March 13. He wants to know if there are any rural, Machinery, motorbikes, cars shows, displays, museums,etc to visit, within 100 miles of NY. If any of you can offer advice, please contact him off list at phil at wattagan.com Thanks for your help. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com Thu Feb 19 17:05:57 2009 From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:05:57 EST Subject: [SEL] New York Message-ID: Must be his luck weekend as the last weekend of Feb the Atlantic City NJ car show is in town. Kevin Kusel In a message dated 2/19/2009 8:02:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes: Hi all. I have a friend, Phil Dorman, who is going to New York with his wife from Feb 22 to March 13. He wants to know if there are any rural, Machinery, motorbikes, cars shows, displays, museums,etc to visit, within 100 miles of NY. If any of you can offer advice, please contact him off list at phil at wattagan.com Thanks for your help. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel **************Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) From enginman1 at verizon.net Thu Feb 19 19:15:35 2009 From: enginman1 at verizon.net (Jeff Parks) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:15:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New York References: <224EACF5B1BD439780E03A0722ED8736@REG> Message-ID: <10A98D3E4DF8419783D11DAEF5FADC2F@JREnterprizes1> Hello, Depending on which part of NY they are traveling to there are quite a few stops they could make here in Western NY in the Buffalo area. The Pierce Arrow Museum, Bicycle Museum in Orchard Park and a few nice engine collections to check out. They can contact me directly for more information if interested. Jeff Parks Collector of New York Built Antique Engines New Email : enginman1 at verizon.net > Hi all. > I have a friend, Phil Dorman, who is going to New York with his wife from > Feb 22 to March 13. > He wants to know if there are any rural, Machinery, motorbikes, cars > shows, > displays, museums,etc to visit, within 100 miles of NY. > If any of you can offer advice, please contact him off list at > phil at wattagan.com > Thanks for your help. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > From rotigel at me.com Thu Feb 19 21:41:17 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:41:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New York In-Reply-To: <10A98D3E4DF8419783D11DAEF5FADC2F@JREnterprizes1> References: <224EACF5B1BD439780E03A0722ED8736@REG> <10A98D3E4DF8419783D11DAEF5FADC2F@JREnterprizes1> Message-ID: <646F31A3-6AAA-4572-AF01-57CA8BA654DF@me.com> There are many places in NYC where if you stop at a stop sign they steal all 4 of your tires. At a red light it's a radio AND all 4 tires that they take. Park all afternoon and your car is gone when you return! NYC is a place where one should NEVER go. Dave PS, There are 8,000,000,000 people who live in NYC and 4,000 of them pay 51% of all the taxes. On Feb 19, 2009, at 10:15 PM, Jeff Parks wrote: > Hello, > > Depending on which part of NY they are traveling to there > are quite a few stops they could make here in Western NY > in the Buffalo area. The Pierce Arrow Museum, Bicycle Museum in > Orchard Park and a few nice engine collections to check out. They can > contact me directly for more information if interested. > > > Jeff Parks > Collector of New York Built Antique Engines > New Email : enginman1 at verizon.net > > >> Hi all. >> I have a friend, Phil Dorman, who is going to New York with his >> wife from >> Feb 22 to March 13. >> He wants to know if there are any rural, Machinery, motorbikes, cars >> shows, >> displays, museums,etc to visit, within 100 miles of NY. >> If any of you can offer advice, please contact him off list at >> phil at wattagan.com >> Thanks for your help. >> >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Ken.Erman at mastercam.com Fri Feb 20 11:05:01 2009 From: Ken.Erman at mastercam.com (Ken Erman) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:05:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New York In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Connecticut Antique Machinery Association is a great place to visit. It is in Kent, CT. which is probably within a 2 hour drive of the city. Their Web site explains their hours, I don't know what goes on this time of year during the day, I've only been their during the fall festival which is always a day well spent. http://www.ctamachinery.com/ Ken ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. 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If you don't know what the Tod Engine is, its a 260 ton stationary steam engine that the SEL list saved from destruction in 1996-97. Thanks! Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Foundation "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Fri Feb 20 16:47:36 2009 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:47:36 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Fw: [SPAM] New Engine Website :) Message-ID: <5707A1749A1F4DF2871B7C421582006D@armstrong> Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin armstrong" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] [SPAM] New Engine Website :) Hello Tom, Your web page is well set up and easy to show your engines, I have my web page with http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/ I use the Microsoft FrontPage program it takes a time to do but it seems to work ok for me. and it free regards Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Winland" To: "SEL list" Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:26 AM Subject: [SPAM] [SEL] New Engine Website :) A few days ago I bought my own domain name and started my own web page so that now I don't have to mess with another hosting site going out of business again and I can do alot more this way. Take a look everyone and let me know what you all think of it and if there are any suggestions of things I should do or add to it. here is the Website http://gasenginetom.com/index.html I have spent alot of time figuring it out the last few days and have loaded a lot of pictures and still have lots to add and will always be adding to the site so check back often :) Thanks Tom Winland Ohio _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Fri Feb 20 17:58:42 2009 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:58:42 +0900 Subject: [SEL] emails test Message-ID: <021F5EA4BB3647BAB30515AB8308A39C@armstrong> just testing Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From james.kangas at timken.com Fri Feb 20 18:05:37 2009 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:05:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] emails test References: <021F5EA4BB3647BAB30515AB8308A39C@armstrong> Message-ID: Made it to the U.S.A. alright Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of kevin armstrong Sent: Fri 2/20/2009 8:58 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] emails test just testing Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. 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The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Fri Feb 20 18:06:48 2009 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:06:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] emails test In-Reply-To: <021F5EA4BB3647BAB30515AB8308A39C@armstrong> References: <021F5EA4BB3647BAB30515AB8308A39C@armstrong> Message-ID: <005301c993c9$0e5d39b0$2b17ad10$@net> Made it half way around the globe :) Lew near Waco, TX USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of kevin armstrong Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 7:59 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] emails test just testing Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Fri Feb 20 22:59:35 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:59:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> Message-ID: <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> I'll be in EX 6--right next to the registration building. Chairs, table and a blue easy-up should all be ready for friends by the time the show starts. There should also be some Pepsi, some Gator Aid and some adult beverage, in the cooler! Dave PS, Also peanuts for anyone who wanders in! On Feb 18, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Bob Matthews wrote: > Dave, > Jim and I plan on being there. > Bob > > > << Bob Matthews, NW Ohio >> > > David Rotigel wrote: >> I've been off list for about a month, so if this has been covered-- >> sorry! I'll be at the ZOLFO Show from start to finish (March 4th to >> March 8th.) Will anyone else from the SEL be there? >> Dave From jdohagan at comcast.net Fri Feb 20 22:56:11 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:56:11 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks serial numbers Message-ID: <20090221065612.300EB302844@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hello ,I can't find the keeper of the pre 1911 FM ser.#'s. Can you head me in the right direction. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Feb 20 23:51:47 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:51:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com><499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> Message-ID: <37F7573521CF4006AA4049671AD291B8@REG> Nothing I would like better than to be sitting there with you ! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ZOLFO Show > I'll be in EX 6--right next to the registration building. Chairs, > table and a blue easy-up should all be ready for friends by the time > the show starts. There should also be some Pepsi, some Gator Aid and > some adult beverage, in the cooler! > Dave > PS, Also peanuts for anyone who wanders in! > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Bob Matthews wrote: > >> Dave, >> Jim and I plan on being there. >> Bob >> >> >> << Bob Matthews, NW Ohio >> >> >> David Rotigel wrote: >>> I've been off list for about a month, so if this has been covered-- >>> sorry! I'll be at the ZOLFO Show from start to finish (March 4th to >>> March 8th.) Will anyone else from the SEL be there? >>> Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 01:34:35 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:34:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/21 David Rotigel : > I'll be in EX 6--right next to the registration building. Chairs, > table and a blue easy-up should all be ready for friends by the time > the show starts. There should also be some Pepsi, some Gator Aid and > some adult beverage, in the cooler! > Dave > PS, Also peanuts for anyone who wanders in! We'll be there for the 6th and 7th March. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rob at rustyiron.com Sat Feb 21 06:14:33 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 06:14:33 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks serial numbers In-Reply-To: <20090221065612.300EB302844@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20090221065612.300EB302844@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: It's Denis Rouleau. His email and web addresses have changed, but I'm sure you can google him. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Feb 20, 2009, at 10:56 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Hello ,I can't find the keeper of the pre 1911 FM ser.#'s. Can you > head me > in the right direction. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan 415 892 0236 From rotigel at me.com Sat Feb 21 06:55:32 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:55:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <37F7573521CF4006AA4049671AD291B8@REG> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <37F7573521CF4006AA4049671AD291B8@REG> Message-ID: Hi Reg, There is an extra bed at the duplex! When should I plan to pick you up at the Ft. Myers International Airport? Dave On Feb 21, 2009, at 2:51 AM, R & M Ingold wrote: > Nothing I would like better than to be sitting there with you ! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] ZOLFO Show > > >> I'll be in EX 6--right next to the registration building. Chairs, >> table and a blue easy-up should all be ready for friends by the time >> the show starts. There should also be some Pepsi, some Gator Aid and >> some adult beverage, in the cooler! >> Dave >> PS, Also peanuts for anyone who wanders in! >> >> On Feb 18, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Bob Matthews wrote: >> >>> Dave, >>> Jim and I plan on being there. >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> << Bob Matthews, NW Ohio >> >>> >>> David Rotigel wrote: >>>> I've been off list for about a month, so if this has been covered-- >>>> sorry! I'll be at the ZOLFO Show from start to finish (March 4th to >>>> March 8th.) Will anyone else from the SEL be there? >>>> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 21 07:58:56 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:58:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hey there Peter, Will this be your first visit to one of the Florida shows? See ya, Arnie On Sat, February 21, 2009 4:34 am, Listerdiesel wrote: > 2009/2/21 David Rotigel : >> I'll be in EX 6--right next to the registration building. Chairs, >> table and a blue easy-up should all be ready for friends by the time >> the show starts. There should also be some Pepsi, some Gator Aid and >> some adult beverage, in the cooler! >> Dave >> PS, Also peanuts for anyone who wanders in! > > We'll be there for the 6th and 7th March. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 08:27:20 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:27:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com> <294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160902210827k7221b5d4rea0231700d9ae64d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/21 Arnie Fero : > Hey there Peter, > > Will this be your first visit to one of the Florida shows? > > See ya, Arnie Yes, pity we couldn't manage the Flywheelers show as well unfortunately. We'll be going to KSC in the first full day, then down to Zolfo. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 21 08:47:37 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:47:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <6f6025160902210827k7221b5d4rea0231700d9ae64d@mail.gmail.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com> <294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902210827k7221b5d4rea0231700d9ae64d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: KFC ??? Pete, it's FAST food fer gawd's sake. You don't need a whole day. 10 minutes max. Five more maybe for the Alka-Seltzer. On Sat, February 21, 2009 11:27 am, Listerdiesel wrote: > Yes, pity we couldn't manage the Flywheelers show as well unfortunately. > We'll be going to KFC in the first full day, then down to Zolfo. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From lfevans at pacbell.net Sat Feb 21 09:25:06 2009 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:25:06 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks serial numbers In-Reply-To: <20090221065612.300EB302844@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20090221065612.300EB302844@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20090221092354.0421cec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Jim, Try: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/fairbanks/page110.html for the pre 1911 Fairbanks Morse serial numbers. Regards, Larry Evans At 10:56 PM 2/20/2009, you wrote: >Hello ,I can't find the keeper of the pre 1911 FM ser.#'s. Can you head me >in the right direction. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan 415 892 0236 > > > >Jim O'Hagan > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 10:04:04 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:04:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com> <294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902210827k7221b5d4rea0231700d9ae64d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160902211004q5bbad30ct6674e2cb1974d960@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/21 Arnie Fero : > KFC ??? Pete, it's FAST food fer gawd's sake. You don't need a whole day. > 10 minutes max. Five more maybe for the Alka-Seltzer. > > On Sat, February 21, 2009 11:27 am, Listerdiesel wrote: >> Yes, pity we couldn't manage the Flywheelers show as well unfortunately. >> We'll be going to KFC in the first full day, then down to Zolfo. I KNEW you'd do that! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Feb 21 12:14:21 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:14:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com><499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com><7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com><37F7573521CF4006AA4049671AD291B8@REG> Message-ID: <28F4CCE1DD924F188F19417CD9ADA8DB@REG> You know I need to be there! I know I need to be there! The wallet REFUSES to listen!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] ZOLFO Show > Hi Reg, There is an extra bed at the duplex! When should I plan to > pick you up at the Ft. Myers International Airport? > Dave > > On Feb 21, 2009, at 2:51 AM, R & M Ingold wrote: > >> Nothing I would like better than to be sitting there with you ! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Rotigel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 5:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] ZOLFO Show >> >> >>> I'll be in EX 6--right next to the registration building. Chairs, >>> table and a blue easy-up should all be ready for friends by the time >>> the show starts. There should also be some Pepsi, some Gator Aid and >>> some adult beverage, in the cooler! >>> Dave >>> PS, Also peanuts for anyone who wanders in! >>> >>> On Feb 18, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Bob Matthews wrote: >>> >>>> Dave, >>>> Jim and I plan on being there. >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> << Bob Matthews, NW Ohio >> >>>> >>>> David Rotigel wrote: >>>>> I've been off list for about a month, so if this has been covered-- >>>>> sorry! I'll be at the ZOLFO Show from start to finish (March 4th to >>>>> March 8th.) Will anyone else from the SEL be there? >>>>> Dave >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 21 12:27:52 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:27:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <6f6025160902211004q5bbad30ct6674e2cb1974d960@mail.gmail.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com> <294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902210827k7221b5d4rea0231700d9ae64d@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160902211004q5bbad30ct6674e2cb1974d960@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8b360cb70219573d3584ab06d495f415.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> At least at Zolfo Springs the KFC is an adventure. I got the same order four nights in a row. I was never charged the same price twice. 8-)) On Sat, February 21, 2009 1:04 pm, Listerdiesel wrote: > 2009/2/21 Arnie Fero : >> KFC ??? Pete, it's FAST food fer gawd's sake. You don't need a whole day. >> 10 minutes max. Five more maybe for the Alka-Seltzer. >> > I KNEW you'd do that! :-)) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 21 12:37:45 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:37:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <28F4CCE1DD924F188F19417CD9ADA8DB@REG> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com><499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com><7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com><37F7573521CF4006AA4049671AD291B8@REG> <28F4CCE1DD924F188F19417CD9ADA8DB@REG> Message-ID: <12f13f5a9e6ea6a0ae195b0bea5fce6c.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Jeeze Reg, you should have a gold frequent flyer account by now. Use yer miles. See ya, Arnie On Sat, February 21, 2009 3:14 pm, R & M Ingold wrote: > You know I need to be there! > I know I need to be there! > The wallet REFUSES to listen!!! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From rotigel at me.com Sat Feb 21 14:10:44 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:10:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <28F4CCE1DD924F188F19417CD9ADA8DB@REG> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <37F7573521CF4006AA4049671AD291B8@REG> <28F4CCE1DD924F188F19417CD9ADA8DB@REG> Message-ID: <085ECA55-EE40-4642-8027-7566EA7A31DA@me.com> As Arnie and Peter have pointed out there is a GREAT KFC place real close. ZOLFO is one GREAT show. Be there, or be NOWHERE! Dave On Feb 21, 2009, at 3:14 PM, R & M Ingold wrote: > You know I need to be there! > I know I need to be there! > The wallet REFUSES to listen!!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] ZOLFO Show > > >> Hi Reg, There is an extra bed at the duplex! When should I plan to >> pick you up at the Ft. Myers International Airport? >> Dave >> >> On Feb 21, 2009, at 2:51 AM, R & M Ingold wrote: >> >>> Nothing I would like better than to be sitting there with you ! >>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "David Rotigel" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> engine.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 5:59 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] ZOLFO Show >>> >>> >>>> I'll be in EX 6--right next to the registration building. Chairs, >>>> table and a blue easy-up should all be ready for friends by the >>>> time >>>> the show starts. There should also be some Pepsi, some Gator Aid >>>> and >>>> some adult beverage, in the cooler! >>>> Dave >>>> PS, Also peanuts for anyone who wanders in! >>>> >>>> On Feb 18, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Bob Matthews wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dave, >>>>> Jim and I plan on being there. >>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> << Bob Matthews, NW Ohio >> >>>>> >>>>> David Rotigel wrote: >>>>>> I've been off list for about a month, so if this has been >>>>>> covered-- >>>>>> sorry! I'll be at the ZOLFO Show from start to finish (March >>>>>> 4th to >>>>>> March 8th.) Will anyone else from the SEL be there? >>>>>> Dave >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Feb 21 14:07:12 2009 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:07:12 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks serial numbers In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20090221092354.0421cec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090221220718.51336444869@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Thanks guys for the help on the FM.#'s Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Evans Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:25 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks serial numbers Jim, Try: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/fairbanks/page110.html for the pre 1911 Fairbanks Morse serial numbers. Regards, Larry Evans At 10:56 PM 2/20/2009, you wrote: >Hello ,I can't find the keeper of the pre 1911 FM ser.#'s. Can you head me >in the right direction. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan 415 892 0236 > > > >Jim O'Hagan > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 14:08:15 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:08:15 +0000 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <28F4CCE1DD924F188F19417CD9ADA8DB@REG> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <37F7573521CF4006AA4049671AD291B8@REG> <28F4CCE1DD924F188F19417CD9ADA8DB@REG> Message-ID: <6f6025160902211408sd68ff19xd1bcf542e44b9e68@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/21 R & M Ingold : > You know I need to be there! > I know I need to be there! > The wallet REFUSES to listen!!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. There's still time to hop on the plane and come over.... Ignore your head, follow your heart! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 14:11:06 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:11:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <8b360cb70219573d3584ab06d495f415.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com> <294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902210827k7221b5d4rea0231700d9ae64d@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160902211004q5bbad30ct6674e2cb1974d960@mail.gmail.com> <8b360cb70219573d3584ab06d495f415.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160902211411u1f484f12vd5dac2d0de8871@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/21 Arnie Fero : > At least at Zolfo Springs the KFC is an adventure. I got the same order four nights > in a row. I was never charged the same price twice. 8-)) > Well, I hope the Kennedy Space Center has a restuarant, we're going to be there best part of the day and it's a lot of walking! Are you coming to Nuenen this year? How about bringing Dave with you? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Feb 21 21:36:22 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 00:36:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <6f6025160902211411u1f484f12vd5dac2d0de8871@mail.gmail.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <499CA01A.5080709@matthewsfarm.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com> <294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902210827k7221b5d4rea0231700d9ae64d@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160902211004q5bbad30ct6674e2cb1974d960@mail.gmail.com> <8b360cb70219573d3584ab06d495f415.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902211411u1f484f12vd5dac2d0de8871@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Better get a move on; the next launch is Tuesday! Yep, I'll be at Neunen. I'm visiting Jim & Dolly for a week then hooking up with the Hell On Wheels Tour of engine collections in Europe. That takes us to Neunen. I'll see ya there!! Arnie On Sat, February 21, 2009 5:11 pm, Listerdiesel wrote: > > Well, I hope the Kennedy Space Center has a restuarant, we're going to > be there best part of the day and it's a lot of walking! > > Are you coming to Nuenen this year? How about bringing Dave with you? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 22 00:11:52 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:11:52 +0000 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com> <294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902210827k7221b5d4rea0231700d9ae64d@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160902211004q5bbad30ct6674e2cb1974d960@mail.gmail.com> <8b360cb70219573d3584ab06d495f415.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902211411u1f484f12vd5dac2d0de8871@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160902220011l32c7ca49x375ecd60794a695f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/22 Arnie Fero : > Better get a move on; the next launch is Tuesday! > > Yep, I'll be at Neunen. I'm visiting Jim & Dolly for a week then hooking up with > the Hell On Wheels Tour of engine collections in Europe. That takes us to Neunen. > I'll see ya there!! > > Arnie We should have the Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR with us this year. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Feb 22 03:54:12 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:54:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com><7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com><6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com><294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><6f6025160902210827k7221b5d4rea0231700d9ae64d@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160902211004q5bbad30ct6674e2cb1974d960@mail.gmail.com><8b360cb70219573d3584ab06d495f415.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><6f6025160902211411u1f484f12vd5dac2d0de8871@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160902220011l32c7ca49x375ecd60794a695f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ZOLFO Show > 2009/2/22 Arnie Fero : >> Better get a move on; the next launch is Tuesday! >> >> Yep, I'll be at Neunen. I'm visiting Jim & Dolly for a week then hooking >> up with >> the Hell On Wheels Tour of engine collections in Europe. That takes us >> to Neunen. >> I'll see ya there!! >> >> Arnie > > We should have the Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR with us this year. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Feb 22 11:07:37 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:07:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <6f6025160902220011l32c7ca49x375ecd60794a695f@mail.gmail.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <7DB3C750-F729-4E85-88E2-5D72B26E8498@me.com> <6f6025160902210134o610a3a96wf4f23d14bcae68b@mail.gmail.com> <294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902210827k7221b5d4rea0231700d9ae64d@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160902211004q5bbad30ct6674e2cb1974d960@mail.gmail.com> <8b360cb70219573d3584ab06d495f415.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902211411u1f484f12vd5dac2d0de8871@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160902220011l32c7ca49x375ecd60794a695f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e6d69dc5bf922ff1e99c1e25522743a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> EXCELLENT!! I don't think I've seen it running since it was finished. I trust that you'll bring all of the accouterments as well? See ya, Arnie On Sun, February 22, 2009 3:11 am, Listerdiesel wrote: >> >> Yep, I'll be at Neunen. I'm visiting Jim & Dolly for a week then hooking up with >> the Hell On Wheels Tour of engine collections in Europe. That takes us to Neunen. >> I'll see ya there!! >> Arnie > > We should have the Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR with us this year. > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Feb 22 11:19:21 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:19:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Re: Sad News] Message-ID: <88f3e9eee8c3cdf924e8f07c816fdedf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Folks, Many of you know Nels Johnsrud from back in the day when he was active on the SEL. You probably remember his Hercules can crusher which was always a crowd pleaser and his passion for David Bradleys. He lost his daugher Tara on Friday and asked me to pass this on to the lists. See ya, Arnie --------------------------------- Original Message --------------------------------- Subject: Re: Sad News From: "Nelson Johnsrud" Date: Sun, February 22, 2009 8:24 am To: "Arnie Fero" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Arnie, How wonderful to hear from you again, although I wish the circumstances were better. I have also received notes from Dave, Rob & Kelly, Reg, and others. I had tried a few months ago to re-subscribe to the engine list, but was unsuccessful. I don't know what the reason is, and I am not up to figuring it out right now. Will you please forward this to the engine group for me? Dear friends -- First, the short version of what happened: May daughter, Tara, whom several of you have met when she was younger, developed a digestive disorder recently. The diagnosis was Crohn's disease, although there was one specialist who was not in complete agreement. She developed two large infected abscesses in her abdomen which needed to be drained. This was thought to be a relatively low risk procedure, done with a large needle and vacuum, much like liposuction. After the procedure, she developed abdominal bleeding, and she had to be taken back to the OR for emergency surgery. She was already weakened by the steroids and drugs she was taking. Combine that with the fact that she had been in a generally weakened state due to her inability to absorb nutrition because of the antibiotics required to treat her lower GI infection. Anyway, after the second surgery her blood pressure dropped and heart rate went up and she went into pulmonary edema. Her heart failed, and so did all efforts to resuscitate her. She just did not have the strength to fight back. She passed on about 8pm on Friday evening. She was 23 years old, and the pride of my life. She just got married last July. She took her proud father's arm and we walked up the aisle together as I gave her away. Now only 7 months later, she will be carried by 6 of her friends back down that very same aisle in a blue and silver box. This is the most painful thing our family has ever had to endure. Thank you all for your thoughts and prayers. It is good to know that though we have not been in close contact for awhile, friends are still friends. Many engine list members have contracted me with their well wishes, and I don't have the concentration level right now to answer all of them individually. All of you please know that I have read your kind notes and taken them to heart. Jane and I pass along our heartfelt thanks for you support. Nels (Manitowoc, Wisconsin) Arnie Fero wrote: > Nels, > > I just heard the sad news about Tara. You have my deepest sympathies my friend. > I can't begin to imagine how it feels to lose a child. > > You and your family will be in my thoughts during this incredibly difficult time. > > Take care. > > Arnie > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Feb 22 11:24:01 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:24:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show In-Reply-To: <5e6d69dc5bf922ff1e99c1e25522743a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <7B4D848A-55CA-4DF2-A3BE-FEE973AE1343@me.com> <294dd0570b877c47a0d576a3581cd819.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902210827k7221b5d4rea0231700d9ae64d@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160902211004q5bbad30ct6674e2cb1974d960@mail.gmail.com> <8b360cb70219573d3584ab06d495f415.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160902211411u1f484f12vd5dac2d0de8871@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160902220011l32c7ca49x375ecd60794a695f@mail.gmail.com> <5e6d69dc5bf922ff1e99c1e25522743a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160902221124m6cc7e513v9e1ba5c4fa6a8ae@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/22 Arnie Fero : > EXCELLENT!! I don't think I've seen it running since it was finished. > I trust that you'll bring all of the accouterments as well? > > See ya, Arnie It will have the Dobbie McInnes indicator and drive mechanism as originally fitted, but it won't have the friction brake as that was replaced by the second flywheel. The electric dynamometer will be sorted out in the next year, but not in time for Nuenen. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 22 11:40:28 2009 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:40:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Re: Sad News] References: <88f3e9eee8c3cdf924e8f07c816fdedf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <30FA9EAE3AE64500A8ABECD0BCF15779@PAUL> Thanks Arnie for letting us know, I will forward my condolences to Nelson. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: ; Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:19 PM Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Re: Sad News] > Folks, > > Many of you know Nels Johnsrud from back in the day when he was active on > the SEL. > You probably remember his Hercules can crusher which was always a crowd > pleaser and > his passion for David Bradleys. > > He lost his daugher Tara on Friday and asked me to pass this on to the > lists. > > See ya, Arnie > > --------------------------------- Original > Message --------------------------------- > Subject: Re: Sad News > From: "Nelson Johnsrud" > Date: Sun, February 22, 2009 8:24 am > To: "Arnie Fero" > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Arnie, > > How wonderful to hear from you again, although I wish the circumstances > were better. I have also received notes from Dave, Rob & Kelly, Reg, > and others. I had tried a few months ago to re-subscribe to the engine > list, but was unsuccessful. I don't know what the reason is, and I am > not up to figuring it out right now. Will you please forward this to > the engine group for me? > > Dear friends -- > First, the short version of what happened: > May daughter, Tara, whom several of you have met when she was younger, > developed a digestive disorder recently. The diagnosis was Crohn's > disease, although there was one specialist who was not in complete > agreement. She developed two large infected abscesses in her abdomen > which needed to be drained. This was thought to be a relatively low > risk procedure, done with a large needle and vacuum, much like > liposuction. After the procedure, she developed abdominal bleeding, and > she had to be taken back to the OR for emergency surgery. She was > already weakened by the steroids and drugs she was taking. Combine that > with the fact that she had been in a generally weakened state due to her > inability to absorb nutrition because of the antibiotics required to > treat her lower GI infection. Anyway, after the second surgery her > blood pressure dropped and heart rate went up and she went into > pulmonary edema. Her heart failed, and so did all efforts to > resuscitate her. She just did not have the strength to fight back. She > passed on about 8pm on Friday evening. She was 23 years old, and the > pride of my life. She just got married last July. She took her proud > father's arm and we walked up the aisle together as I gave her away. > Now only 7 months later, she will be carried by 6 of her friends back > down that very same aisle in a blue and silver box. This is the most > painful thing our family has ever had to endure. > > Thank you all for your thoughts and prayers. It is good to know that > though we have not been in close contact for awhile, friends are still > friends. Many engine list members have contracted me with their well > wishes, and I don't have the concentration level right now to answer all > of them individually. All of you please know that I have read your kind > notes and taken them to heart. Jane and I pass along our heartfelt > thanks for you support. > > Nels > (Manitowoc, Wisconsin) > > > Arnie Fero wrote: >> Nels, >> >> I just heard the sad news about Tara. You have my deepest sympathies my >> friend. >> I can't begin to imagine how it feels to lose a child. >> >> You and your family will be in my thoughts during this incredibly >> difficult time. >> >> Take care. >> >> Arnie >> > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Feb 22 17:12:20 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:12:20 EST Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Re: Sad News] Message-ID: >From experience, my heart goes out to Nels and his family. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From oldengines at bigpond.com Sun Feb 22 22:59:24 2009 From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron Sullivan) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:59:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] bentall dating References: <001601c98f52$14d58e80$1c02a8c0@ronliz> <6f6025160902180506w55f502cbp11c53cb0e9b857f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003201c99584$42d29b10$1c02a8c0@ronliz> Hi Peter thankyou for letting me know that, Ron & Liz Sullivan oldengines at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] bentall dating > 2009/2/15 Ron Sullivan : >> Hi All >> I am trying to date my 4hp vertical Bentall which has stock no 128152. >> It appears to of had one of the self starter impulse arrangements and I >> am also after some more information and pictures on this, >> thanks in advance >> Ron & Liz Sullivan > > Ron: > > Robert jackson runs the Helpline in Stationary Engine magazine, he is > one of the few sources of info on the engines. I don't take the mag > any more, but one of the other Oz guys should be able to help with his > postal address. I don't think he is on email, snail only. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Mon Feb 23 00:51:46 2009 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:51:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show Message-ID: <666335.80075.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 2 old codgers, one full set of teeth... Graham >> >>> Nothing I would like better than to be sitting there with you ! >>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Mon Feb 23 00:51:59 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:51:59 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] aus fires are off again Message-ID: <51115.203.12.35.157.1235379119.squirrel@boiler> Greetings everyone. The biggest of the fires from two weeks ago are still burning but are a considerable distance from us. Today they are again threatening communities. This afternoon a new one started which is burning in the outer suburbs of Melbourne from Upwey and Lysterfield through Belgrave towards Selby. The astute who glance at google maps will notice that Emerald is in that direction. We've done more cleanup and deployed our internal hose and external hoses. Mops are in steel buckets. Everyone is waiting on the wind to see what happens. This one has horrid potential because the area we live in may look like bush but is actually medium density housing. So far the reputable emegency radio broadcaster has confirmed one house and two fire trucks have been lost in the Belgrave Heights area. Earlier a colleague from work called and asked me to go and pick up his mother who was much closer to the fire than us. I did that and she is since safely down the hill to Berwick with her son. While it has been a warm dry day there has been no lightening or anything else so this is again likely to be deliberately lit. There has been recent discussion around classing arsonists as terrorists. I'm all for it. Wish us and our neighbours luck overnight folks. Regards Paul From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Feb 23 03:19:53 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:19:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Pettter AV2-AVA2 information Message-ID: <526D84D212394B1D9A314BD783B7369D@peterlowe> Hi all Can someone tell me the difference between a Petter AV2 & AVA2 engine is please ???? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Mon Feb 23 03:34:51 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:34:51 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Pettter AV2-AVA2 information In-Reply-To: <526D84D212394B1D9A314BD783B7369D@peterlowe> References: <526D84D212394B1D9A314BD783B7369D@peterlowe> Message-ID: <53504.203.12.35.157.1235388891.squirrel@boiler> AVA is (A)ir cooled - AV is water cooled. Paul > Hi all > Can someone tell me the difference between a Petter AV2 & AVA2 engine is > please ???? > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm From andyglines at hotmail.com Mon Feb 23 05:54:32 2009 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:54:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw Message-ID: I know that several of you have saw rigs so I'm comming to you for help with mine. I tried using it last fall to saw some firewood for the steam engine with little success. The teeth look to be in good shape but there seems to little or no set to them. How much set should the saw teeth have? How to I set them properly? _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail??more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_022009 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 07:21:30 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:21:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Things You Find In A Scrapyard Message-ID: <6f6025160902230721q74f342feo403ecc68a8c7f97f@mail.gmail.com> Went looking for some largish cast iron wheels today for the Ruston trolley. Something 15" - 18" diameter and 3" - 4" face would be nice, but you take what you can find. The owner and son were there in the office, and the Father took me outside and showed me where to look, but he didn't think there'd me much of interest in the two piles of scrap. After a bit of rooting around, a cast iron rubber-tyred wheel and hub and part of a support bracket came to light, then another and then a 3rd. Ideal size, albeit a bit heavy, but having the hub/bearings was a bonus. A further search turned up a similar wheel, which was attached to an axle, which was attached to a bl**dy great steel frame, and another wheel and finally another axle. Looks like a big engine trolley. It has a swivelling axle and is all complete. Walking round a bit more, I came across the fourth wheel from the first set I had found, so my cup runneth over! The 4 loose wheels are 17" diameter X 4" face, with tyres bonded on to take the OD to 20". After a bit of inspection, "FM CO 44" is found cast into the spokes, and the 'Firestone' logo and a date code "28 44" bonded into the rubber. We now know that these are almost certainly from a Universal Carrier, made by Ford Motor Co in Windsor, Ontario during WWII. That was what was called here a Bren Gun Carrier. Pictures are: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/Wheels4.jpg http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/Wheels5.jpg I will probably strip the rubber off and use them as plain cast iron wheels, but we have a local company in St Ives that do traction engine tyres, so I have asked them how much to put new rubbers on. We have to go back for the trolley as that was buried under a few tons of scrap machinery, but that looks to be a different wheel as far as we can see. I'll do some pictures when we get it back home. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From George_Best at adp.com Mon Feb 23 07:58:27 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:58:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A002F3E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> With a hammer ;-) My father had a factory made fixture for setting the teeth on buzz saw blades. Next time I go visit my mother I'll have to dig it out and take a few pictures of it. To use it you take the saw blade off the saw and place the fixture on the shop floor (or you could use a work table). You position a saw tooth over the striking spot and hit the saw tooth with a hammer. You then turn the blade to skip a tooth and do every other tooth. After the one side is done, you flip the blade over and do the other teeth. I have a 30" buzz saw at home and we set the teeth on it several years ago using that fixture. Worked great. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Andy Glines Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:55 AM To: stationary engine Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw I know that several of you have saw rigs so I'm comming to you for help with mine. I tried using it last fall to saw some firewood for the steam engine with little success. The teeth look to be in good shape but there seems to little or no set to them. How much set should the saw teeth have? How to I set them properly? _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live(tm) Hotmail(r)...more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_ howitworks_022009 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Feb 23 08:41:00 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:41:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Things You Find In A Scrapyard In-Reply-To: <6f6025160902230721q74f342feo403ecc68a8c7f97f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160902230721q74f342feo403ecc68a8c7f97f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think it's really neat that the owner let you rummage around in the tip. That's increasingly rare. You need to drop off a nice bottle of scotch and make sure that he knows wot sort of "olde iron" you fancy. Maybe leave a couple of photos and say "Anything that looks remotely like this; give me a call." See ya, Arnie On Mon, February 23, 2009 10:21 am, Listerdiesel wrote: > The owner and son were there in the office, and the Father took me > outside and showed me where to look, but he didn't think there'd me > much of interest in the two piles of scrap. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Feb 23 10:42:00 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:42:00 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Help!! I need a Briggs coil. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090223200833.017614c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, I know that there are other "small engine" places but you guys have always come through. I am desperately looking (have been for about 2 years) for one or two ignition coils from an older twin cylinder Briggs & Stratton. There are none in South Africa. New or second hand (as long as it's good) will be fine. It must be the type used for points ignition - NOT electronic ignition). I think that the original Briggs part number is 394988 but am not too sure if this is correct or if any Briggs twin coil (for points NOT electronic) will do the trick. I've tried John Smith a number of times without success as well as someone with an email addy something like and have never even had the courtesy of a reply from him. I really hope someone can help me with this one and I'll be forever indebted to you. I'm not looking for a "freebie" - I expect to pay for it. Someone has gotta have one lying on a shelf somewhere that they would be prepared to convert to cash :-) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Feb 23 11:00:51 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:00:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Help!! I need a Briggs coil. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090223205858.017614c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Further to the Briggs coil. I found somewhere that it was also used by John Deere - Part No. AM38985) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Mon Feb 23 11:05:21 2009 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:05:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help!! I need a Briggs coil. References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090223200833.017614c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <01d701c995e9$ad2e48a0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Jerry, I think I have one in our storage building. However I can't get into the building until spring. During wet weather the floor just inside the door to the building floods, then when it gets cold the water freezes leaving 2" of ice behind the door. So there is no getting in until probably April. But inside there is a dismantled B&S 2 cylinder which may have the coil you seek! Someone else may have one for you before then as they are quite common. Do you still make the etched brass engine plates? There is an etched brass plate on an old DC motor (its so old it is labeled "Continuous Current") on our overhead crane and I would like to have a new one made. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Foundation "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: ; Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: [SEL] Help!! I need a Briggs coil. > Hi Guys, > I know that there are other "small engine" places but you guys > have always come through. > > I am desperately looking (have been for about 2 years) for one or > two ignition coils from an older twin cylinder Briggs & Stratton. There > are > none in South Africa. > > New or second hand (as long as it's good) will be fine. It must be > the type used for points ignition - NOT electronic ignition). I think that > the original Briggs part number is 394988 but am not too sure if this is > correct or if any Briggs twin coil (for points NOT electronic) will do the > trick. > I've tried John Smith a number of times without success as well as > someone with an email addy something like and have never > even had the courtesy of a reply from him. > > I really hope someone can help me with this one and I'll be > forever indebted to you. > > I'm not looking for a "freebie" - I expect to pay for it. Someone > has gotta have one lying on a shelf somewhere that they would be prepared > to convert to cash :-) > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Feb 23 12:07:55 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:07:55 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Briggs coil/2 on eBay/Please help Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090223215146.017a3a58@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Further to the Briggs coil. I've just found that there are 2 on Ebay with a "Buy it now" option for $40.00 each. My problem is that I am not registered on ebay (and cannot from South Africa.) and I'd really hate to loose out on this. Please, can anyone help me by buying them for me. If any list member is agreeable I will immediately send payment to you via PayPal and of course I will cover you for all extra costs involved. I suggest securing them immediately even if it means sending another payment tomorrow to cover shipping to South Africa. (As an after thought I could even pay the seller directly if only someone could secure them for me now.) It's past my bedtime here but I'll wait up another hour or so in the hope of getting an answer. Many thanks Jerry From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 23 12:40:02 2009 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:40:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Things You Find In A Scrapyard References: <6f6025160902230721q74f342feo403ecc68a8c7f97f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3609BAAB1A934B0B8D73F010BD8E584E@YOURDA6F5028CB> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.spitcrazy.com/Bren-gun-carrier.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.spitcrazy.com/bishopday.htm&h=393&w=600&sz=41&tbnid=CLIevA1R9gLsXM::&tbnh=88&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBren%2BGun%2Bcarrier&usg=__rzd7RIyzL8i-mC_Z9dR9JK3sBO4=&ei=LAmjSZacDKGbtwfTtP2KDQ&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=4&ct=image&cd=1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "Stationary-Engine" Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:21 AM Subject: Things You Find In A Scrapyard > Went looking for some largish cast iron wheels today for the Ruston > trolley. Something 15" - 18" diameter and 3" - 4" face would be nice, > but you take what you can find. > > The owner and son were there in the office, and the Father took me > outside and showed me where to look, but he didn't think there'd me > much of interest in the two piles of scrap. > > After a bit of rooting around, a cast iron rubber-tyred wheel and hub > and part of a support bracket came to light, then another and then a > 3rd. Ideal size, albeit a bit heavy, but having the hub/bearings was a > bonus. A further search turned up a similar wheel, which was attached > to an axle, which was attached to a bl**dy great steel frame, and > another wheel and finally another axle. Looks like a big engine > trolley. It has a swivelling axle and is all complete. > > Walking round a bit more, I came across the fourth wheel from the > first set I had found, so my cup runneth over! > > The 4 loose wheels are 17" diameter X 4" face, with tyres bonded on to > take the OD to 20". After a bit of inspection, "FM CO 44" is found > cast into the spokes, and the 'Firestone' logo and a date code "28 44" > bonded into the rubber. > > We now know that these are almost certainly from a Universal Carrier, > made by Ford Motor Co in Windsor, Ontario during WWII. That was what > was called here a Bren Gun Carrier. > > Pictures are: > > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/Wheels4.jpg > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/Wheels5.jpg > > I will probably strip the rubber off and use them as plain cast iron > wheels, but we have a local company in St Ives that do traction engine > tyres, so I have asked them how much to put new rubbers on. > > We have to go back for the trolley as that was buried under a few tons > of scrap machinery, but that looks to be a different wheel as far as > we can see. I'll do some pictures when we get it back home. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1967 - Release Date: 02/23/09 07:17:00 From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 23 12:41:57 2009 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:41:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Things You Find In A Scrapyard References: <6f6025160902230721q74f342feo403ecc68a8c7f97f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10E7F2FE60A94C6DA0ECA06A494F74D8@YOURDA6F5028CB> Like this? http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.spitcrazy.com/Bren-gun-carrier.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.spitcrazy.com/bishopday.htm&h=393&w=600&sz=41&tbnid=CLIevA1R9gLsXM::&tbnh=88&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBren%2BGun%2Bcarrier&usg=__rzd7RIyzL8i-mC_Z9dR9JK3sBO4=&ei=LAmjSZacDKGbtwfTtP2KDQ&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=4&ct=image&cd=1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "Stationary-Engine" Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:21 AM Subject: Things You Find In A Scrapyard > Went looking for some largish cast iron wheels today for the Ruston > trolley. Something 15" - 18" diameter and 3" - 4" face would be nice, > but you take what you can find. > > The owner and son were there in the office, and the Father took me > outside and showed me where to look, but he didn't think there'd me > much of interest in the two piles of scrap. > > After a bit of rooting around, a cast iron rubber-tyred wheel and hub > and part of a support bracket came to light, then another and then a > 3rd. Ideal size, albeit a bit heavy, but having the hub/bearings was a > bonus. A further search turned up a similar wheel, which was attached > to an axle, which was attached to a bl**dy great steel frame, and > another wheel and finally another axle. Looks like a big engine > trolley. It has a swivelling axle and is all complete. > > Walking round a bit more, I came across the fourth wheel from the > first set I had found, so my cup runneth over! > > The 4 loose wheels are 17" diameter X 4" face, with tyres bonded on to > take the OD to 20". After a bit of inspection, "FM CO 44" is found > cast into the spokes, and the 'Firestone' logo and a date code "28 44" > bonded into the rubber. > > We now know that these are almost certainly from a Universal Carrier, > made by Ford Motor Co in Windsor, Ontario during WWII. That was what > was called here a Bren Gun Carrier. > > Pictures are: > > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/Wheels4.jpg > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Misc/Wheels5.jpg > > I will probably strip the rubber off and use them as plain cast iron > wheels, but we have a local company in St Ives that do traction engine > tyres, so I have asked them how much to put new rubbers on. > > We have to go back for the trolley as that was buried under a few tons > of scrap machinery, but that looks to be a different wheel as far as > we can see. I'll do some pictures when we get it back home. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1967 - Release Date: 02/23/09 07:17:00 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 12:59:41 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:59:41 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Things You Find In A Scrapyard In-Reply-To: <6f6025160902230721q74f342feo403ecc68a8c7f97f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160902230721q74f342feo403ecc68a8c7f97f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160902231259p122674acm94f1572314527d7e@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/23 Listerdiesel : > I will probably strip the rubber off and use them as plain cast iron > wheels, but we have a local company in St Ives that do traction engine > tyres, so I have asked them how much to put new rubbers on. Got the quote back: ?221.00 EACH plus tax. AND: Had a guy with a Bren Gun Carrier email me and ask if I wanted to sell him the wheels :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Feb 23 13:15:38 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:15:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Things You Find In A Scrapyard In-Reply-To: <6f6025160902231259p122674acm94f1572314527d7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160902230721q74f342feo403ecc68a8c7f97f@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160902231259p122674acm94f1572314527d7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c9d38467f8bf4ad606a504e95b1fb74.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Peter, Now THAT is something that you really should do. Afterall, all you need are cast iron wheels (any heavy sort will do). This poor bloke is probably restoring a Bren Gun Carrier and is in desparate need of the "correct" wheels. Help him out. See ya, Arnie On Mon, February 23, 2009 3:59 pm, Listerdiesel wrote: > 2009/2/23 Listerdiesel : > > AND: > > Had a guy with a Bren Gun Carrier email me and ask if I wanted to sell > him the wheels :-)) > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From weolson at wiktel.com Mon Feb 23 13:09:25 2009 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:09:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <649586214.20090223150925@wiktel.com> Hi Andy, Monday, February 23, 2009, 7:54:32 AM, you wrote: AG> I know that several of you have saw rigs so I'm comming to you AG> for help with mine. I tried using it last fall to saw some AG> firewood for the steam engine with little success. The teeth look AG> to be in good shape but there seems to little or no set to them. AG> How much set should the saw teeth have? How to I set them properly? AG> _________________________________________________________________ AG> Windows Live? Hotmail??more than just e-mail. AG> http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_022009 AG> _______________________________________________ AG> SEL mailing list AG> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com AG> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel I would think that maybe up to one almost half the width of the blade thickness, not more. You don't want to have any gap between the teeth, or it won't cut in that space. You should be able to look down the row of teeth and have it look like a "vee" shaped trough. I know it's harder on a circle, but you get the idea. On a handsaw, you can slide a needle down that trough. -- Thanks, William mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Feb 23 13:35:49 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:35:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Briggs coil/2 on eBay/Please help Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090223233316.01795950@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, You are the greatest. They have been secured by Ron Haskell but thanks for all the other offers and mail I've got in the last hour. I'm still working my way through it and will reply. More later. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon Feb 23 13:58:33 2009 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:58:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Briggs coil/2 on eBay/Please help References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090223215146.017a3a58@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry, Just a couple of ideas. Since you are a little far away, you might try using the points for a battery powered ignition. This would depend what you can lay your hands on in the way of junk parts. There is a Point Saver device that uses the timing from the points to switch a transistor and conventional coil too. On the brigs coil, the two ends of the secondary winding are routed to two separate spark plugs which share a common ground, the threads, to complete the circuit. The GM six cylinder used three coils like this for the six spark plugs. You would need a capacitor across the points. Also, if the armature of the Briggs magnetron ignition lines up with the magnet, this would be a good option too. We would need to research the configuration. If you had the engine model and type numbers, we could go the Briggs site and get the illustrated parts list. Sometimes they specify the magnetron as a replacement. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: ; Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Briggs coil/2 on eBay/Please help > Hi Guys, > Further to the Briggs coil. > > I've just found that there are 2 on Ebay with a "Buy it now" option for > $40.00 each. > > My problem is that I am not registered on ebay (and cannot from South > Africa.) and I'd really hate to loose out on this. > > Please, can anyone help me by buying them for me. If any list member is > agreeable I will immediately send payment to you via PayPal and of course > I will cover you for all extra costs involved. I suggest securing them > immediately even if it means sending another payment tomorrow to cover > shipping to South Africa. > (As an after thought I could even pay the seller directly if only someone > could secure them for me now.) > > It's past my bedtime here but I'll wait up another hour or so in the hope > of getting an answer. > Many thanks > Jerry > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Mon Feb 23 15:17:56 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:17:56 +1100 (EST) Subject: [SEL] aus fires are off again - fire contained In-Reply-To: <51115.203.12.35.157.1235379119.squirrel@boiler> References: <51115.203.12.35.157.1235379119.squirrel@boiler> Message-ID: <50217.203.12.35.157.1235431076.squirrel@boiler> Thanks to the efforts of (mainly volunteer) fire fighters overnight using 16 strike teams (there are 5 fire engines in each strike team) and three water bombing helicopters the fires in our area have been controlled. The brigade announced this morning that they hope to have it blacked out before the nasty weather due on Friday (hot with strong winds). We all had a lucky break when the wind swung around 180 degrees and blew the fire back on itself. Only one ridge line seperates the area I live in from the area that was burning. Despite the early reports all houses in the area were saved. No lives were lost although several people have been hospitalised with serious burns. One fire engine was destroyed and another damaged. The crews escaped with some injuries. The only fire damage in my town of Emerald was unrelated. A lady filling a jerry can with petrol knocked it over and it ignited. Two cars were totalled and the petrol station is currently closed. I have not been up there yet but will have a glance when I go to the bank this morning. Once again the reporting of this incident really shows the credibility (or intense lack of it) with our various media organisations. The government broadcaster concentrated on only facts. The others ranged from reporting one house had been lost (it was a shed) to one station (yay channel 10) reporting that hundreds of houses and many lives had been lost. Imagine what this does to the relatives and home owners - obviously they anticipated the worst and decided to get the scoop but did not anticipate the wind change. The same station announced the fire was deliberately lit. Turns out that it was started by a grass slasher (giant lawn mower) operating in a field. The machine should not have been used and the operator has some explaining to do. Machinery is not allowed to be used outside during a total fire ban. Some of what the public is saying on media blog sites is downright scary too - some people really do have strange minds. Statements range from: - level all the forests to make country living safe. - stop people living in the country - burn the greenies because they plant trees - greenies prevent burning off (some do, but most recognise the need) - everything is the greenie's fault - the fire brigade don't give enough warning (hard to give more IMHO) Basically it all seems to boil down to being someone else's fault. Sad. I look around the area in which I live - my block is as clear as I want to make it - we have some trees and I accept the risk that goes with that. If they burn then so be it. I do what I can to mitigate the risk - blocking openings, being able to plug and fill my house gutters, cleaning up fallen leaves etc. I know my sheds and their contents would be lost. So be it. Some houses are so nestled in amongst the trees that they will burn as they are undefendable. If the owners accept that risk knowingly then ok, but I'd be betting many of them think that "it won't happen to me". Sadly one day it will. Thanks for the well wishers who contacted me overnight. Your thoughts help us keep up our spirits. Regards Paul From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Feb 23 17:19:37 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:19:37 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Briggs coil/2 on eBay/Please help References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090223215146.017a3a58@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <0192E7B62663400083FADABE7A334652@peterlowe> Send me the link Jeryy Peter, Oz > Hi Guys, > Further to the Briggs coil. > > I've just found that there are 2 on Ebay with a "Buy it now" option for > $40.00 each. > > My problem is that I am not registered on ebay (and cannot from South > Africa.) and I'd really hate to loose out on this. > > Please, can anyone help me by buying them for me. If any list member is > agreeable I will immediately send payment to you via PayPal and of course > I will cover you for all extra costs involved. I suggest securing them > immediately even if it means sending another payment tomorrow to cover > shipping to South Africa. > (As an after thought I could even pay the seller directly if only someone > could secure them for me now.) > > It's past my bedtime here but I'll wait up another hour or so in the hope > of getting an answer. > Many thanks > Jerry > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Feb 24 05:45:04 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:45:04 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Back to the Briggs coil Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090224154438.01c2e950@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 11:05 PM 23/02/2009, Mark Shulaw wrote: >Jerry , That part number 394988 coil in the ad comes back as a solid state >ignition coil not a points ignition coil which is preferrable for your >use. Mark and: Hi Jerry, Coil part number 394988 comes back as a electronic ignition coil. Not a points coil. You can buy that coil 394988 all day long from a place called Tulsa Engine Warehouse for $28.00 http://tewarehouse.com/7-01644 But its just not what we need. The twin points coils like we need is not available new anymore unless you happen to find a dealership that has one laying on a shelf. Mark Hi Mark, Ed (Stoller) and others, Firstly let me say that I am very stupid when it comes to coils, magneto's, ignition and suchlike so please bear with me when I show my stupidity - I'm trying to learn :-) What I want to try doing is to use these coils to replace burnt out coils on 2 Maytag twin engines (Eisemann mags) as I read about this on a Smokstak forum here: and also had some offline correspondence with Ed Radtke who seems to have done many of these conversions. The most important part of what he (and the forum) mentioned was that the coil had to be of the older type for "points ignition" not the later replacement for electronic ignition and that this Briggs coil worked on the same principle as the Maytag coil. ie the spark travels from the coil to the 1st plug - then through the block to the second plug and then back to the coil and not to earth. (My stupidity shows here - I only quote this "parrot" fashion.) These older (points ignition) coils are no longer in production and very hard to find. Briggs & Stratton South Africa gave me the part number 394988 for this coil (which I passed on to the lists). I called them again today (after Marks message) and they again insisted that this was the correct number for this (points ign.) coil. They told me that it was replaced with 394891 which was the electronic version (they mentioned "Magnetron"). FWIW the guy I spoke to on both occasions has been with Briggs for many years and seemed to know exactly what he was talking about (although that is not always a guarantee) but my point is that he was not just some youngster reading a parts list. Mark, the link you gave me for The $28.00 coil from Tulsa warehouse: is NOT for the coil with part number 394988 but does mention that it is a replacement for this number as does this page on the Briggs and Stratton site: which mentions #394988 being replaced by #394891 (which is the same as the SA Briggs guy told me and probably the same coil as being sold by Tulsa Warehouse). As a point of interest the Briggs price is $50.00. What I (in my stupidity) understand from all of the above is that Briggs replaced the original #394988 with the newer electronic (Magnetron ??) #394891 which worked fine on their engines - would this have been a straight swop or was there more to it? But to do the modification to a Maytag the electronic coil will not work - I needed to find one of the older (points ign.) type Briggs coils which I think I have managed to find. It is for this reason that I got all excited when I found the 2 # 394988 coils on eBay. (Actually the link was forwarded to me by John Smith who I believe to be quite clued up on B&S parts). So Guys after this long post here is my question to you knowledgeable guys. Have I bought the correct coils (as I believe I have)? Many thanks to you all for the help so far and also for what will still come. Keep well, Jerry P.S. I have my one Maytag twin running at present using a battery and 2 car coils. It runs beautifully but I'd like to get rid of the battery and coils. From rolfb at accima.com Tue Feb 24 06:02:36 2009 From: rolfb at accima.com (Bob W7AVK) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 06:02:36 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Off Old Iron Message-ID: <49A3FDFC.3050404@accima.com> Good Day - Interested in CNC or new things, check this. **Presented by Jay Leno. ** ******_http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/49930a9fc57c735f/47fe70d4555df05a/9b5b999b/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c81 _** Regards, Bob R. WA USA **__****__********** From weolson at wiktel.com Tue Feb 24 10:08:25 2009 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:08:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Back to the Briggs coil In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090224154438.01c2e950@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090224154438.01c2e950@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <1088855605.20090224120825@wiktel.com> Hi Jerry, Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 7:45:04 AM, you wrote: JE> What I want to try doing is to use these coils to replace burnt JE> out coils on 2 Maytag twin engines (Eisemann mags) as I read about this on JE> a Smokstak forum here: JE> JE> and also had some offline correspondence with Ed Radtke who seems to have JE> done many of these conversions. JE> The most important part of what he (and the forum) mentioned was JE> that the coil had to be of the older type for "points ignition" not the JE> later replacement for electronic ignition and that this Briggs coil worked JE> on the same principle as the Maytag coil. ie the spark travels from the JE> coil to the 1st plug - then through the block to the second plug and then JE> back to the coil and not to earth. (My stupidity shows here - I only quote JE> this "parrot" fashion.) JE> It is for this reason that I got all excited when I found the 2 # JE> 394988 coils on eBay. (Actually the link was forwarded to me by John Smith JE> who I believe to be quite clued up on B&S parts). JE> So Guys after this long post here is my question to you JE> knowledgeable guys. Have I bought the correct coils (as I believe I have)? JE> Many thanks to you all for the help so far and also for what will still come. JE> Keep well, JE> Jerry JE> P.S. I have my one Maytag twin running at present using a battery and 2 car JE> coils. It runs beautifully but I'd like to get rid of the battery and coils. JE> _______________________________________________ JE> SEL mailing list JE> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com JE> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Have you tried Bill Lopouls' site at http://www.magnetoparts.com/maytag_mag.htm He lists Matag Twin coils and information about them. One thing that you may already know, with this type of ungrounded, double ended coil, you never want to let it work with one end open, either have it connected to two Spark Plugs or ground one end. Otherwise the voltage may go high enough to punch through the insulation. -- Thanks, William mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Roosevelt, Minn. USA Outgoing mail checked by Comodo AntiVirus From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Feb 24 11:18:24 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:18:24 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Help!! I need a Briggs coil. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090224211037.01d1ea88@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 24/02/2009, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:05:21 -0500 >From: "Tod Engine Foundation" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Help!! I need a Briggs coil. > >Jerry, > >I think I have one in our storage building. However I can't get into the >building until spring. During wet weather the floor just inside the door to >the building floods, then when it gets cold the water freezes leaving 2" of >ice behind the door. So there is no getting in until probably April. But >inside there is a dismantled B&S 2 cylinder which may have the coil you >seek! Someone else may have one for you before then as they are quite >common. >Do you still make the etched brass engine plates? There is an etched brass >plate on an old DC motor (its so old it is labeled "Continuous Current") on >our overhead crane and I would like to have a new one made. >Rick Rowlands Hi Rick, Apologies for the late answer but I only get the Digest version of SEL (and it came in about 2 1/2 hours later than usual tonight!!). Thanks for the offer but I think that I have come right - if not I will contact you later. Yes, I still make the plates - click on the link at the bottom of my signature for details. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue Feb 24 17:07:35 2009 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:07:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Back to the Briggs coil References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090223221124.0175fd20@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20090224144347.01c955f8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <69B85DC36F6A4890AD59ACF65D339CA4@Ed> Jerry, On some of the older single cylinder engines, years after being built, Briggs specified a Magnetron replacement. The Magnetron did not work on some engines until the flywheel was sent back to Briggs and they re-magnetized it for free, reversing the polarity. Since the older 394988 coil appears to physically fit your Maytag twin, the Magnetron version, 394988 should also physically fit. If it does fit, but does not work, it might be that it is not compatible with the polarization of the Maytag magnets on the flywheel. To map the magnet poles see http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id2.html, Figure 7.7. Maybe some one in the Maytag community with access to a magnet charger could do an experiment to see if this works. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:43 AM Subject: Back to the Briggs coil > At 11:05 PM 23/02/2009, Mark Shulaw wrote: >>Jerry , That part number 394988 coil in the ad comes back as a solid state >>ignition coil not a points ignition coil which is preferrable for your >>use. Mark > and: > Hi Jerry, Coil part number 394988 comes back as a electronic ignition > coil. Not a points coil. You can buy that coil 394988 all day long from a > place called Tulsa Engine Warehouse for $28.00 > http://tewarehouse.com/7-01644 > But its just not what we need. The twin points coils like we need is not > available new anymore unless you happen to find a dealership that has one > laying on a shelf. Mark > > Hi Mark, Ed (Stoller) and others, > Firstly let me say that I am very stupid when it comes to coils, > magneto's, ignition and suchlike so please bear with me when I show my > stupidity - I'm trying to learn :-) > > What I want to try doing is to use these coils to replace burnt > out coils on 2 Maytag twin engines (Eisemann mags) as I read about this on > a Smokstak forum here: > > and also had some offline correspondence with Ed Radtke who seems to have > done many of these conversions. > The most important part of what he (and the forum) mentioned was > that the coil had to be of the older type for "points ignition" not the > later replacement for electronic ignition and that this Briggs coil worked > on the same principle as the Maytag coil. ie the spark travels from the > coil to the 1st plug - then through the block to the second plug and then > back to the coil and not to earth. (My stupidity shows here - I only quote > this "parrot" fashion.) > > These older (points ignition) coils are no longer in production > and very hard to find. Briggs & Stratton South Africa gave me the part > number 394988 for this coil (which I passed on to the lists). I called > them again today (after Marks message) and they again insisted that this > was the correct number for this (points ign.) coil. They told me that it > was replaced with 394891 which was the electronic version (they mentioned > "Magnetron"). FWIW the guy I spoke to on both occasions has been with > Briggs for many years and seemed to know exactly what he was talking about > (although that is not always a guarantee) but my point is that he was not > just some youngster reading a parts list. > > Mark, the link you gave me for The $28.00 coil from Tulsa > warehouse: > is NOT for the coil with part number > 394988 but does mention that it is a replacement for this number as does > this page on the Briggs and Stratton site: > > which mentions #394988 being replaced by #394891 (which is the same as the > SA Briggs guy told me and probably the same coil as being sold by Tulsa > Warehouse). As a point of interest the Briggs price is $50.00. > > What I (in my stupidity) understand from all of the above is that > Briggs replaced the original #394988 with the newer electronic (Magnetron > ??) #394891 which worked fine on their engines - would this have been a > straight swop or was there more to it? But to do the modification to a > Maytag the electronic coil will not work - I needed to find one of the > older (points ign.) type Briggs coils which I think I have managed to > find. > > It is for this reason that I got all excited when I found the 2 # > 394988 coils on eBay. (Actually the link was forwarded to me by John Smith > who I believe to be quite clued up on B&S parts). > > So Guys after this long post here is my question to you > knowledgeable guys. Have I bought the correct coils (as I believe I have)? > > Many thanks to you all for the help so far and also for what will still > come. > Keep well, > Jerry > P.S. I have my one Maytag twin running at present using a battery and 2 > car coils. It runs beautifully but I'd like to get rid of the battery and > coils. > > > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Feb 24 18:21:30 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:21:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Back to the Briggs coil In-Reply-To: <69B85DC36F6A4890AD59ACF65D339CA4@Ed> Message-ID: Apple and oranges. The magnetron system is electronic, not points. What the maytag folks want is a coil to replace their coil. The newer B&S coil is actually an ignition system that looks like the old coil but is a complete electronic ignition system AND coil in one sealed unit. I strongly doubt the magnetron system will work on the maytag. Could be wrong, but the reason it crosses on B&S is that they are UPGRADING your old engine to the new magnetron - or electronic ignition system. I suspect the little card that comes with that new B&S coil mentions this and mentions you don't connect the points any more. It's trigged by the magnetic field, electronically, not by points. Been a LOT of years since I was a B&S dealer, but some of this just seems familiar......... May be wrong....... Tell ya what, check with Bob.......... he does small engine repair, including B&S. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed stoller Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:08 PM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Back to the Briggs coil Jerry, On some of the older single cylinder engines, years after being built, Briggs specified a Magnetron replacement. The Magnetron did not work on some engines until the flywheel was sent back to Briggs and they re-magnetized it for free, reversing the polarity. Since the older 394988 coil appears to physically fit your Maytag twin, the Magnetron version, 394988 should also physically fit. If it does fit, but does not work, it might be that it is not compatible with the polarization of the Maytag magnets on the flywheel. To map the magnet poles see http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id2.html, Figure 7.7. Maybe some one in the Maytag community with access to a magnet charger could do an experiment to see if this works. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:43 AM Subject: Back to the Briggs coil > At 11:05 PM 23/02/2009, Mark Shulaw wrote: >>Jerry , That part number 394988 coil in the ad comes back as a solid state >>ignition coil not a points ignition coil which is preferrable for your >>use. Mark > and: > Hi Jerry, Coil part number 394988 comes back as a electronic ignition > coil. Not a points coil. You can buy that coil 394988 all day long from a > place called Tulsa Engine Warehouse for $28.00 > http://tewarehouse.com/7-01644 > But its just not what we need. The twin points coils like we need is not > available new anymore unless you happen to find a dealership that has one > laying on a shelf. Mark > > Hi Mark, Ed (Stoller) and others, > Firstly let me say that I am very stupid when it comes to coils, > magneto's, ignition and suchlike so please bear with me when I show my > stupidity - I'm trying to learn :-) > > What I want to try doing is to use these coils to replace burnt > out coils on 2 Maytag twin engines (Eisemann mags) as I read about this on > a Smokstak forum here: > > and also had some offline correspondence with Ed Radtke who seems to have > done many of these conversions. > The most important part of what he (and the forum) mentioned was > that the coil had to be of the older type for "points ignition" not the > later replacement for electronic ignition and that this Briggs coil worked > on the same principle as the Maytag coil. ie the spark travels from the > coil to the 1st plug - then through the block to the second plug and then > back to the coil and not to earth. (My stupidity shows here - I only quote > this "parrot" fashion.) > > These older (points ignition) coils are no longer in production > and very hard to find. Briggs & Stratton South Africa gave me the part > number 394988 for this coil (which I passed on to the lists). I called > them again today (after Marks message) and they again insisted that this > was the correct number for this (points ign.) coil. They told me that it > was replaced with 394891 which was the electronic version (they mentioned > "Magnetron"). FWIW the guy I spoke to on both occasions has been with > Briggs for many years and seemed to know exactly what he was talking about > (although that is not always a guarantee) but my point is that he was not > just some youngster reading a parts list. > > Mark, the link you gave me for The $28.00 coil from Tulsa > warehouse: > is NOT for the coil with part number > 394988 but does mention that it is a replacement for this number as does > this page on the Briggs and Stratton site: > > which mentions #394988 being replaced by #394891 (which is the same as the > SA Briggs guy told me and probably the same coil as being sold by Tulsa > Warehouse). As a point of interest the Briggs price is $50.00. > > What I (in my stupidity) understand from all of the above is that > Briggs replaced the original #394988 with the newer electronic (Magnetron > ??) #394891 which worked fine on their engines - would this have been a > straight swop or was there more to it? But to do the modification to a > Maytag the electronic coil will not work - I needed to find one of the > older (points ign.) type Briggs coils which I think I have managed to > find. > > It is for this reason that I got all excited when I found the 2 # > 394988 coils on eBay. (Actually the link was forwarded to me by John Smith > who I believe to be quite clued up on B&S parts). > > So Guys after this long post here is my question to you > knowledgeable guys. Have I bought the correct coils (as I believe I have)? > > Many thanks to you all for the help so far and also for what will still > come. > Keep well, > Jerry > P.S. I have my one Maytag twin running at present using a battery and 2 > car coils. It runs beautifully but I'd like to get rid of the battery and > coils. > > > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Tue Feb 24 19:54:49 2009 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:54:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ZOLFO Show References: <666335.80075.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'll be waiting on your guys. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth42 at embarqmail.com http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 http://oldengine.org/members/southwell From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Feb 24 21:17:15 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:17:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Back to the Briggs coil In-Reply-To: References: <69B85DC36F6A4890AD59ACF65D339CA4@Ed> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20090225000813.030bc648@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Bill, You are correct, that number does cross into the points ign Briggs engines as they junk the points-condenser stuff and whip that coil in to replace it all. Works on the Briggs but not on the Maytag. Don't know why but I am sure some engineer could tell us. Maybe it could work with the right modifications but what they are other then getting it fit to the Maytag post I don't know. I know the Briggs magnets are WAY stonger then the Maytag. Could be there is a contact internally that trips open with the strong Briggs magnetic field. Mark At 08:21 PM 2/24/2009 -0600, you wrote: >Apple and oranges. The magnetron system is electronic, not points. What the >maytag folks want is a coil to replace their coil. The newer B&S coil is >actually an ignition system that looks like the old coil but is a complete >electronic ignition system AND coil in one sealed unit. >I strongly doubt the magnetron system will work on the maytag. >Could be wrong, but the reason it crosses on B&S is that they are UPGRADING >your old engine to the new magnetron - or electronic ignition system. >I suspect the little card that comes with that new B&S coil mentions this >and mentions you don't connect the points any more. >It's trigged by the magnetic field, electronically, not by points. >Been a LOT of years since I was a B&S dealer, but some of this just seems >familiar......... >May be wrong....... >Tell ya what, check with Bob.......... he does small engine repair, >including B&S. > >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ed stoller >Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:08 PM >To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org >Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Back to the Briggs coil > >Jerry, > >On some of the older single cylinder engines, years after being built, >Briggs specified a Magnetron replacement. The Magnetron did not work on >some engines until the flywheel was sent back to Briggs and they >re-magnetized it for free, reversing the polarity. Since the older 394988 >coil appears to physically fit your Maytag twin, the Magnetron version, >394988 should also physically fit. If it does fit, but does not work, it >might be that it is not compatible with the polarization of the Maytag >magnets on the flywheel. To map the magnet poles see >http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id2.html, Figure 7.7. Maybe some one >in the Maytag community with access to a magnet charger could do an >experiment to see if this works. > >Ed Stoller >New Fairfield, CT >http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jerry Evans" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:43 AM >Subject: Back to the Briggs coil > > > > At 11:05 PM 23/02/2009, Mark Shulaw wrote: > >>Jerry , That part number 394988 coil in the ad comes back as a solid state > > >>ignition coil not a points ignition coil which is preferrable for your > >>use. Mark > > and: > > Hi Jerry, Coil part number 394988 comes back as a electronic ignition > > coil. Not a points coil. You can buy that coil 394988 all day long from a > > > place called Tulsa Engine Warehouse for $28.00 > > http://tewarehouse.com/7-01644 > > But its just not what we need. The twin points coils like we need is not > > available new anymore unless you happen to find a dealership that has one > > laying on a shelf. Mark > > > > Hi Mark, Ed (Stoller) and others, > > Firstly let me say that I am very stupid when it comes to coils, > > magneto's, ignition and suchlike so please bear with me when I show my > > stupidity - I'm trying to learn :-) > > > > What I want to try doing is to use these coils to replace burnt > > out coils on 2 Maytag twin engines (Eisemann mags) as I read about this on > > > a Smokstak forum here: > > > > and also had some offline correspondence with Ed Radtke who seems to have > > done many of these conversions. > > The most important part of what he (and the forum) mentioned was > > that the coil had to be of the older type for "points ignition" not the > > later replacement for electronic ignition and that this Briggs coil worked > > > on the same principle as the Maytag coil. ie the spark travels from the > > coil to the 1st plug - then through the block to the second plug and then > > back to the coil and not to earth. (My stupidity shows here - I only quote > > > this "parrot" fashion.) > > > > These older (points ignition) coils are no longer in production > > and very hard to find. Briggs & Stratton South Africa gave me the part > > number 394988 for this coil (which I passed on to the lists). I called > > them again today (after Marks message) and they again insisted that this > > was the correct number for this (points ign.) coil. They told me that it > > was replaced with 394891 which was the electronic version (they mentioned > > > "Magnetron"). FWIW the guy I spoke to on both occasions has been with > > Briggs for many years and seemed to know exactly what he was talking about > > > (although that is not always a guarantee) but my point is that he was not > > just some youngster reading a parts list. > > > > Mark, the link you gave me for The $28.00 coil from Tulsa > > warehouse: > > is NOT for the coil with part number > > 394988 but does mention that it is a replacement for this number as does > > this page on the Briggs and Stratton site: > > >&pno=394988> > > which mentions #394988 being replaced by #394891 (which is the same as the > > > SA Briggs guy told me and probably the same coil as being sold by Tulsa > > Warehouse). As a point of interest the Briggs price is $50.00. > > > > What I (in my stupidity) understand from all of the above is that > > Briggs replaced the original #394988 with the newer electronic (Magnetron > > ??) #394891 which worked fine on their engines - would this have been a > > straight swop or was there more to it? But to do the modification to a > > Maytag the electronic coil will not work - I needed to find one of the > > older (points ign.) type Briggs coils which I think I have managed to > > find. > > > > It is for this reason that I got all excited when I found the 2 # > > 394988 coils on eBay. (Actually the link was forwarded to me by John Smith > > > who I believe to be quite clued up on B&S parts). > > > > So Guys after this long post here is my question to you > > knowledgeable guys. Have I bought the correct coils (as I believe I have)? > > > > Many thanks to you all for the help so far and also for what will still > > come. > > Keep well, > > Jerry > > P.S. I have my one Maytag twin running at present using a battery and 2 > > car coils. It runs beautifully but I'd like to get rid of the battery and > > coils. > > > > > > > > > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > > with: > > unsubscribe > > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1969 - Release Date: 02/24/09 >06:43:00 Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com 419.358.5206 Home 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Feb 25 00:12:48 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:12:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Olds engine register Message-ID: <02DB59914C59422AA0DD8B6721EDB929@peterlowe> Hi all Is anyone runnning an Olds Register??? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Wed Feb 25 01:46:03 2009 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:46:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Olds engine register In-Reply-To: <02DB59914C59422AA0DD8B6721EDB929@peterlowe> References: <02DB59914C59422AA0DD8B6721EDB929@peterlowe> Message-ID: <91BE903C6EA84F30A67D1090DAE9E502@Young0208> Peter, I would be interested in knowing myself. I have an interest in them as I have two early engines and for a few years anyway was recording serial numbers and trying to unravel their secrets - but by no way was/is it a register. Olds engines are hard to date exactly as their are no factory details that have survived into preservation that I know of. I've figured out that B prefixed Type A engines are the Olds Gas Power engines with the trumpet type carb. The early ones didn't have the B pre-fix - e.g. the engine featured in TOMM a months or so back was real early but probably not as old as that guy thinks. The B pre fix engines run from 1905ish to 1910. After that they became Seager engines and had a serial number with a D pre fix. I think the later Rumley engines may have had an F pre fix. Some of this is straight from my memory. If a little bit of knowledge is dangerous - then thats me - so be warned! Since maybe there is no register, you might be the man to start one - now that all bar one or two of the R&Vs on the planet have been accounted for. What little information I have is yours, incl. cattledogs, parts books etc. Regards, Mike Young ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: [SEL] Olds engine register > Hi all > > Is anyone runnning an Olds Register??? > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Feb 25 02:53:44 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:53:44 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Olds engine register References: <02DB59914C59422AA0DD8B6721EDB929@peterlowe> <91BE903C6EA84F30A67D1090DAE9E502@Young0208> Message-ID: <5C3C38A098384B228B1A0DE0072A7212@peterlowe> Hi Mike NO, I am not wanting to get into Olds engines, but there is a guy who contacted me here in Oz that IS interested. Peter. > Peter, > > I would be interested in knowing myself. I have an interest in them as I > have two early engines and for a few years anyway was recording serial > numbers and trying to unravel their secrets - but by no way was/is it a > register. Olds engines are hard to date exactly as their are no factory > details that have survived into preservation that I know of. I've figured > out that B prefixed Type A engines are the Olds Gas Power engines with the > trumpet type carb. The early ones didn't have the B pre-fix - e.g. the > engine featured in TOMM a months or so back was real early but probably > not > as old as that guy thinks. The B pre fix engines run from 1905ish to > 1910. > After that they became Seager engines and had a serial number with a D pre > fix. I think the later Rumley engines may have had an F pre fix. Some of > this is straight from my memory. If a little bit of knowledge is > dangerous - > then thats me - so be warned! Since maybe there is no register, you > might > be the man to start one - now that all bar one or two of the R&Vs on the > planet have been accounted for. What little information I have is yours, > incl. cattledogs, parts books etc. > > Regards, > > Mike Young > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:12 PM > Subject: [SEL] Olds engine register > > >> Hi all >> >> Is anyone runnning an Olds Register??? >> >> Regards >> Peter Lowe >> R&V Engine Registrar >> Australia >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at me.com Wed Feb 25 06:23:02 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:23:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A002F3E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A002F3E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <9B43CB5E-8818-4891-821F-3A307DD2738D@me.com> It can also be done by eye. We are not making cabinetry with these things! 1/16 inch each way (giving a 1/8 [plus blade width]) kerf should be about right. Dave PS, hell, I use a crescent wrench to "set" my drag saw blades. On Feb 23, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Best, George wrote: > With a hammer ;-) > > My father had a factory made fixture for setting the teeth on buzz saw > blades. Next time I go visit my mother I'll have to dig it out and > take > a few pictures of it. > > To use it you take the saw blade off the saw and place the fixture on > the shop floor (or you could use a work table). You position a saw > tooth over the striking spot and hit the saw tooth with a hammer. You > then turn the blade to skip a tooth and do every other tooth. After > the > one side is done, you flip the blade over and do the other teeth. > > I have a 30" buzz saw at home and we set the teeth on it several > years > ago using that fixture. Worked great. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Andy > Glines > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:55 AM > To: stationary engine > Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw > > > I know that several of you have saw rigs so I'm comming to you for > help > with mine. I tried using it last fall to saw some firewood for the > steam engine with little success. The teeth look to be in good shape > but there seems to little or no set to them. How much set should the > saw teeth have? How to I set them properly? > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live(tm) Hotmail(r)...more than just e-mail. > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_ > howitworks_022009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of > the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended > recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, > you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication > is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message > and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From b2 at chooka.net Wed Feb 25 07:43:35 2009 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:43:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw In-Reply-To: <9B43CB5E-8818-4891-821F-3A307DD2738D@me.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A002F3E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <9B43CB5E-8818-4891-821F-3A307DD2738D@me.com> Message-ID: Now yer talking my style! I consider a chain saw to be a fine woodworking tool. B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:23 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Buzz saw It can also be done by eye. We are not making cabinetry with these things! 1/16 inch each way (giving a 1/8 [plus blade width]) kerf should be about right. Dave PS, hell, I use a crescent wrench to "set" my drag saw blades. On Feb 23, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Best, George wrote: > With a hammer ;-) > > My father had a factory made fixture for setting the teeth on buzz saw > blades. Next time I go visit my mother I'll have to dig it out and > take a few pictures of it. > > To use it you take the saw blade off the saw and place the fixture on > the shop floor (or you could use a work table). You position a saw > tooth over the striking spot and hit the saw tooth with a hammer. You > then turn the blade to skip a tooth and do every other tooth. After > the one side is done, you flip the blade over and do the other teeth. > > I have a 30" buzz saw at home and we set the teeth on it several > years ago using that fixture. Worked great. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Andy > Glines > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:55 AM > To: stationary engine > Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw > > > I know that several of you have saw rigs so I'm comming to you for > help with mine. I tried using it last fall to saw some firewood for > the steam engine with little success. The teeth look to be in good > shape but there seems to little or no set to them. How much set > should the saw teeth have? How to I set them properly? > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live(tm) Hotmail(r)...more than just e-mail. > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbette > r_ > howitworks_022009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended > recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, > you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication > is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message > and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Feb 25 10:04:01 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:04:01 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Please forward the SEL Digest to me Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090225195954.00c010f8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Can anyone who recieves the SEL Digest version please forward todays (25 Feb 2009) issue to me at: I briefly glanced over it on the mail server but when I tried to download it something went wrong and I lost it. See, I can also be stupid in more ways than one. Thanks in advance From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Feb 25 10:25:44 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:25:44 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Please forward the Digest./Stupid me Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090225201519.00bc5218@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, I did mention that I could be stupid didn't I ?? It only struck me after sending the message that anyone getting the Digest would only see my message tomorrow when the new Digest comes out but I'd like to read it now !! DUHHH! So please allow me to rephrase the request. There were a few answers today relating to my Briggs coil post - would someone mind forwarding them to me at: See, South Africans can also be stupid! . Thanks guys Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Feb 25 11:53:56 2009 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:53:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > 10. Re: Buzz saw (David Rotigel) > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:23:02 -0500 > From: David Rotigel > Subject: Re: [SEL] Buzz saw > It can also be done by eye. We are not making cabinetry with these > things! 1/16 inch each way (giving a 1/8 [plus blade width]) kerf > should be about right. > Dave > PS, hell, I use a crescent wrench to "set" my drag saw blades. Thanks Dave, My blade is 1/8" thick so the amount of set that you recommend will work good. I was getting ready to use a small monkey wrench that I have. I may even make a wrest buy cutting a slot into a piece of bar stock. How far down should I bend the teeth? Do I only bend it near the tip? about 1/2 way or all of the way down to the gullet? My blade is 1/8" thick so the amount of set that you recommend will work good. _________________________________________________________________ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Access_022009 From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Feb 25 12:37:12 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:37:12 -0800 Subject: [SEL] FriscoStandard Message-ID: <20090225.123715.1700.7.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Started putting pieces back together. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/FriscoStandard?authkey=RrFc2mh3xYI #5306835438209856290 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Reduce your debt up to 40%. Click here for debt consolidation information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIk3l6sagvrM9ER1Klo3yEjuWc55Xu6t10QyuTx0uquwJbCdmcrB2/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Feb 25 12:40:34 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:40:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A002F3E@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><9B43CB5E-8818-4891-821F-3A307DD2738D@me.com> Message-ID: So did a friend of ours. He used one to remove an internal wall to open up his lounge/dining area. However, the roof had other ideas, and promptly fell in on him. The insurance turned their back on him too. (I dont blame them either). That effort is still laughed at all these years later. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brueck" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Buzz saw Now yer talking my style! I consider a chain saw to be a fine woodworking tool. B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:23 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Buzz saw It can also be done by eye. We are not making cabinetry with these things! 1/16 inch each way (giving a 1/8 [plus blade width]) kerf should be about right. Dave PS, hell, I use a crescent wrench to "set" my drag saw blades. On Feb 23, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Best, George wrote: > With a hammer ;-) > > My father had a factory made fixture for setting the teeth on buzz saw > blades. Next time I go visit my mother I'll have to dig it out and > take a few pictures of it. > > To use it you take the saw blade off the saw and place the fixture on > the shop floor (or you could use a work table). You position a saw > tooth over the striking spot and hit the saw tooth with a hammer. You > then turn the blade to skip a tooth and do every other tooth. After > the one side is done, you flip the blade over and do the other teeth. > > I have a 30" buzz saw at home and we set the teeth on it several > years ago using that fixture. Worked great. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Andy > Glines > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:55 AM > To: stationary engine > Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw > > > I know that several of you have saw rigs so I'm comming to you for > help with mine. I tried using it last fall to saw some firewood for > the steam engine with little success. The teeth look to be in good > shape but there seems to little or no set to them. How much set > should the saw teeth have? How to I set them properly? > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live(tm) Hotmail(r)...more than just e-mail. > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbette > r_ > howitworks_022009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended > recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, > you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication > is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message > and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Feb 25 16:28:02 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:28:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FriscoStandard In-Reply-To: <20090225.123715.1700.7.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Ron: Some guys have all the fun! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > rdhaskell at juno.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 02:37 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] FriscoStandard > > > Hi all. > Started putting pieces back together. > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/FriscoStand > ard?authkey=RrFc2mh3xYI > #5306835438209856290 From rotigel at me.com Wed Feb 25 18:34:49 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:34:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Hi Andy, Start the bend at the gullet. The tip of the tooth should > be about 1/16 out. Be sure to bend each tooth the proper way. The > current set should tell you which way that is. Dave > > > > Thanks Dave, My blade is 1/8" thick so the amount of set that you > recommend will work good. I was getting ready to use a small monkey > wrench that I have. I may even make a wrest buy cutting a slot into > a piece of bar stock. How far down should I bend the teeth? Do I > only bend it near the tip? about 1/2 way or all of the way down to > the gullet? My blade is 1/8" thick so the amount of set that you > recommend will work good. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 25 18:56:44 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:56:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw Message-ID: <95919.67517.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That friend of yours must not be the sharpest knife in the drawer. ? My house has trusses so I could remove any of the?interior walls if I wanted to. ? My mother's house has a stick built roof and to remove a center wall I would have to put a beam above the wall in the attic and use long joist hangers to hang the ceiling from it.? Been There / Done That in a different house or three. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 2/25/09, R & M Ingold wrote: From: R & M Ingold Subject: Re: [SEL] Buzz saw To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 3:40 PM So did a friend of ours. He used one to remove an internal wall to open up his lounge/dining area. However, the roof had other ideas, and promptly fell in on him. The insurance turned their back on him too. (I dont blame them either). That effort is still laughed at all these years later. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brueck" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Buzz saw Now yer talking my style! I consider a chain saw to be a fine woodworking tool. B? Bill Brueck ???Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:23 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Buzz saw It can also be done by eye. We are not making cabinetry with these things! 1/16 inch each way (giving a 1/8 [plus blade width]) kerf should be about right. Dave PS, hell, I use a crescent wrench to "set" my drag saw blades. On Feb 23, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Best, George wrote: > With a hammer ;-) > > My father had a factory made fixture for setting the teeth on buzz saw > blades.? Next time I go visit my mother I'll have to dig it out and > take a few pictures of it. > > To use it you take the saw blade off the saw and place the fixture on > the shop floor (or you could use a work table).? You position a saw > tooth over the striking spot and hit the saw tooth with a hammer.? You > then turn the blade to skip a tooth and do every other tooth.? After > the one side is done, you flip the blade over and do the other teeth. > > I have a 30" buzz saw? at home and we set the teeth on it several > years ago using that fixture.? Worked great. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Andy > Glines > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:55 AM > To: stationary engine > Subject: [SEL] Buzz saw > > > I know that several of you have saw rigs so I'm comming to you for > help with mine.? I tried using it last fall to saw some firewood for > the steam engine with little success.? The teeth look to be in good > shape but there seems to little or no set to them.? How much set > should the saw teeth have?? How to I set them properly? > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live(tm) Hotmail(r)...more than just e-mail. > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbette > r_ > howitworks_022009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended > recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, > you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication > is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message > and any attachments from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Feb 25 23:22:54 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:22:54 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Thanks guys for forwarding mails. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090226091917.01919c20@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Thanks to all who forwarded the posts I asked for. I got a few duplicates but that's to be expected and infinitely better than getting none. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Feb 26 00:49:10 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:49:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Back to the Briggs coil Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090226092425.01928e58@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Many thanks for all the very useful responses to the original post. I'm still absorbing everything, however, my original question has not yet been answered :-) I asked if anyone could confirm that I had bought the correct coil for this Maytag conversion. I DO NOT want to try to fit an electronic coil (ignition) to the Maytag - I want to try fitting the older Briggs coil (for points ign) to the Maytag. The coils I have bought are part # 394988 which as far as I've been able to ascertain is the correct coil for the older Briggs with points ignition. That's what I was asking for confirmation on. What caused the uncertainty in my mind was this post from Mark: >Jerry , That part number 394988 coil in the ad comes back as a solid state >ignition coil not a points ignition coil which is preferrable for your >use. Mark I think that the site he got that info from (Tulsa Warehouse) is what caused the confusion because they are offering the electronic version but in small lettering below tout it as "a replacement for 394988 and a few others". (The Briggs site mentions the same). We have established that Briggs could be converted from "points ign" to solid state and that point has been well covered in the posts. To recap, I'm NOT trying to convert a Maytag to solid state ignition - I'm only asking for confirmation that Briggs & Stratton part# 394988 is the older type (not electronic) coil. Apologies for any confusion caused but if you read my original mail you will see that this is all I was asking for. Many thanks. (The following is in answer to a few other posts - I'll reply here:) Someone mentioned not to try testing this type of coil with one wire disconnected - I'm aware of that but thanks for mentioning it anyway. Someone mentioned Bobs Small engine - been there but they have no stock of the Eisemann coils and have not for some time. Someone else mentioned Bill Lopoulos-Magnetoparts. Also been there but his Maytag coils are more than double the price of the Briggs coil and I was also advised by a list member that there have been quite a few problems with his coils. His page has some very interesting reading here: I decided to try the Briggs coil for the following reasons: 1) Because of reports that it is a much "better made" coil than the Maytag coil and more robust. 2) Good reports from Smokstak forum re the conversion. 3) Price related to the low value of our local currency. As an example - the Briggs coils I have just acquired (thanks to Ron Haskell) came to US$ 40.00 each (before shipping). When converted to our currency it comes to ZAR 400.00 - I can buy 4 cases (24cans/case) of good beer here for that price. The Maytag coil from Bill would cost me 8 1/2 cases of the same beer. (remember also that this is PER COIL - I needed 2 coils and these prices are before shipping) (I don't drink much beer anymore - just using it as a common denominator :-) 4) The unavailability of spare parts like this in South Africa. I did not want to take a chance on spending the money for a Maytag replacement coil and have it burn out after a few months and have to go through the whole thing again. As I mentioned, I have been looking for these coils for quite a while - actually close to 2 years. I do believe that the Briggs is a better quality coil. O.K. That's all for now thanks for reading this far. Remember, the original question was: Is Briggs part # 394988 the correct coil for points type ignition? (I think it is). On the box it is packed in it is described as "armature mag." Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From oldengines at bigpond.com Thu Feb 26 00:57:12 2009 From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron Sullivan) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:57:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Olds engine register References: <02DB59914C59422AA0DD8B6721EDB929@peterlowe><91BE903C6EA84F30A67D1090DAE9E502@Young0208> <5C3C38A098384B228B1A0DE0072A7212@peterlowe> Message-ID: <002e01c997f0$37375c50$1c02a8c0@ronliz> Hi Peter That was a big no you should get yourself one instead of those clunking R&V's .Nice smooth and slow running. Ron & Liz Sullivan oldengines at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Olds engine register > Hi Mike > NO, I am not wanting to get into Olds engines, but there is a guy who > contacted me here in Oz that IS interested. > > Peter. > > > > > >> Peter, >> >> I would be interested in knowing myself. I have an interest in them as I >> have two early engines and for a few years anyway was recording serial >> numbers and trying to unravel their secrets - but by no way was/is it a >> register. Olds engines are hard to date exactly as their are no factory >> details that have survived into preservation that I know of. I've >> figured >> out that B prefixed Type A engines are the Olds Gas Power engines with >> the >> trumpet type carb. The early ones didn't have the B pre-fix - e.g. the >> engine featured in TOMM a months or so back was real early but probably >> not >> as old as that guy thinks. The B pre fix engines run from 1905ish to >> 1910. >> After that they became Seager engines and had a serial number with a D >> pre >> fix. I think the later Rumley engines may have had an F pre fix. Some >> of >> this is straight from my memory. If a little bit of knowledge is >> dangerous - >> then thats me - so be warned! Since maybe there is no register, you >> might >> be the man to start one - now that all bar one or two of the R&Vs on the >> planet have been accounted for. What little information I have is yours, >> incl. cattledogs, parts books etc. >> >> Regards, >> >> Mike Young >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Lowe" >> To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:12 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Olds engine register >> >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> Is anyone runnning an Olds Register??? >>> >>> Regards >>> Peter Lowe >>> R&V Engine Registrar >>> Australia >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Feb 26 02:26:57 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:26:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Olds engine register References: <02DB59914C59422AA0DD8B6721EDB929@peterlowe><91BE903C6EA84F30A67D1090DAE9E502@Young0208><5C3C38A098384B228B1A0DE0072A7212@peterlowe> <002e01c997f0$37375c50$1c02a8c0@ronliz> Message-ID: <9A26408CB9B74DFFBAB4750F3CC34B47@peterlowe> Hi Ron An Olds engine might be OK, but I need another Register like I need a hole in the head ;-)) The R&V register database has 37,000 fields of R&V information, sorting and cross referencing keeps me busy. More info arrived in the mail today from various universities and libraries, I am now starting to get the gist of how those Yanks hoard away their archived info.;-)) finally !! Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > Hi Peter > That was a big no > you should get yourself one instead of those clunking R&V's .Nice smooth > and > slow running. > Ron & Liz Sullivan > oldengines at bigpond.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:53 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Olds engine register > > >> Hi Mike >> NO, I am not wanting to get into Olds engines, but there is a guy who >> contacted me here in Oz that IS interested. >> >> Peter. >> >> >> >> >> >>> Peter, >>> >>> I would be interested in knowing myself. I have an interest in them as >>> I >>> have two early engines and for a few years anyway was recording serial >>> numbers and trying to unravel their secrets - but by no way was/is it a >>> register. Olds engines are hard to date exactly as their are no factory >>> details that have survived into preservation that I know of. I've >>> figured >>> out that B prefixed Type A engines are the Olds Gas Power engines with >>> the >>> trumpet type carb. The early ones didn't have the B pre-fix - e.g. the >>> engine featured in TOMM a months or so back was real early but probably >>> not >>> as old as that guy thinks. The B pre fix engines run from 1905ish to >>> 1910. >>> After that they became Seager engines and had a serial number with a D >>> pre >>> fix. I think the later Rumley engines may have had an F pre fix. Some >>> of >>> this is straight from my memory. If a little bit of knowledge is >>> dangerous - >>> then thats me - so be warned! Since maybe there is no register, you >>> might >>> be the man to start one - now that all bar one or two of the R&Vs on the >>> planet have been accounted for. What little information I have is >>> yours, >>> incl. cattledogs, parts books etc. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Mike Young >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Peter Lowe" >>> To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:12 PM >>> Subject: [SEL] Olds engine register >>> >>> >>>> Hi all >>>> >>>> Is anyone runnning an Olds Register??? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Peter Lowe >>>> R&V Engine Registrar >>>> Australia >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Feb 26 08:37:28 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:37:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Back to the Briggs coil In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090226092425.01928e58@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20090226104533.0308ac00@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Jerry, No, you did not. Its not right for the Maytag. The coil listed will work in a Briggs built with points ignition but only after you have disconnected or removed the old points and condenser. It will work in the Briggs I believe because they have a much stronger magnetic field then a Maytag ever hoped to have. And the issue has also been brought up about field polarity. Like I've said before that old "version" coil the one actually built for the points is not made any more. Only available used if you can find one or old left over stock on a shelf somewhere. Now that said, it was suggested by someone that if you were to dig out the electronic board or component out of the coil casing and eliminate it the coil can then work like an old style with points. I can not confirm this, this is just what I was told not to long ago. As for Contacting Bobs Small Engine, Bill Lapolis, Marks Magnetos, Standard Magneto, etc etc, If there was anyone anywhere successfully making or supplying a coil in quantity to work in the Maytag Eisemann Twin, I would know about it. That could not be kept quiet for long. Bobs Small engine is the only one I am aware of that is making them but only a handfull or so thru the winter and the waiting list to get one from him can be up to a couple years if you are lucky. And thats just for his customers. And he turns away many more that never even get on the list simply because he can never meet all the demand and he does not want to peave anyone by putting them on a list where they might wait 5 years to get a coil. This is a problem that has been looked into by many for over 20 years. Currently I am working on trying to get these made. Don't hold your breath! This has been looked into before by many others. The fellow I am working with now said he could make them (easy as pie) back in 2007 and hes still working on it. I can't tell you how many people have said, hell I can get them made, they ask for a junk coil to disect and I never hear from them again or if I do its the same old story. This is a long process and most of the time unsuccessful. Mainly because once a maker sees whats required to make a Maytag Coil (time wise) they decide its too expensive to make them one at a time. Just about anyone contacted that could make them one at a time is going to want $125-$150. each my cost no shipping or mark up yet, if they would even decide to do it. Its a full 8 to 10 hours start to stop on just one coil. And to get them made on machines that do multiples at a time you are begging a major manufacturer and are looking at getting thousands of coils made at once. They will not set a machine up for any less then 1000-2000 coils and then only if you stroke them very nicely. We simply do not have the $$$$ to do that. If we had say $50,000. to dump into this project we might get a manufacturer to look into it then we might have coils inside of 6 months. But we do not and thats where it stands. Anyone got a minimum $50000. maybe even up to $100000. to drop into a low return lots of work project, GRINNNN. To be honest with you If I had the money to spare I would have done it, Just to get coils. But oh well. TTYL, Mark At 10:49 AM 2/26/2009 +0200, you wrote: >Hi All, > Many thanks for all the very useful responses to the original >post. I'm still absorbing everything, however, my original question has not >yet been answered :-) > > I asked if anyone could confirm that I had bought the correct coil >for this Maytag conversion. I DO NOT want to try to fit an electronic coil >(ignition) to the Maytag - I want to try fitting the older Briggs coil (for >points ign) to the Maytag. The coils I have bought are part # 394988 which >as far as I've been able to ascertain is the correct coil for the older >Briggs with points ignition. That's what I was asking for confirmation on. > > What caused the uncertainty in my mind was this post from Mark: > > >Jerry , That part number 394988 coil in the ad comes back as a solid state > >ignition coil not a points ignition coil which is preferrable for your > >use. Mark > > I think that the site he got that info from (Tulsa Warehouse) is >what caused the confusion because they are offering the electronic version >but in small lettering below tout it as "a replacement for 394988 and a few >others". (The Briggs site mentions the same). We have established that >Briggs could be converted from "points ign" to solid state and that point >has been well covered in the posts. > > To recap, I'm NOT trying to convert a Maytag to solid state >ignition - I'm only asking for confirmation that Briggs & Stratton part# >394988 is the older type (not electronic) coil. > > Apologies for any confusion caused but if you read my original >mail you will see that this is all I was asking for. > Many thanks. > > > (The following is in answer to a few other posts - I'll reply > here:) > Someone mentioned not to try testing this type of coil with one >wire disconnected - I'm aware of that but thanks for mentioning it anyway. > Someone mentioned Bobs Small engine - been there but they have no >stock of the Eisemann coils and have not for some time. > Someone else mentioned Bill Lopoulos-Magnetoparts. Also been there >but his Maytag coils are more than double the price of the Briggs coil and >I was also advised by a list member that there have been quite a few >problems with his coils. His page has some very interesting reading >here: > > I decided to try the Briggs coil for the following reasons: > 1) Because of reports that it is a much "better made" coil than >the Maytag coil and more robust. > 2) Good reports from Smokstak forum re the conversion. > 3) Price related to the low value of our local currency. As an >example - the Briggs coils I have just acquired (thanks to Ron Haskell) >came to US$ 40.00 each (before shipping). When converted to our currency it >comes to ZAR 400.00 - I can buy 4 cases (24cans/case) of good beer here for >that price. The Maytag coil from Bill would cost me 8 1/2 cases of the same >beer. (remember also that this is PER COIL - I needed 2 coils and these >prices are before shipping) >(I don't drink much beer anymore - just using it as a common denominator :-) > 4) The unavailability of spare parts like this in South Africa. I >did not want to take a chance on spending the money for a Maytag >replacement coil and have it burn out after a few months and have to go >through the whole thing again. As I mentioned, I have been looking for >these coils for quite a while - actually close to 2 years. I do believe >that the Briggs is a better quality coil. > > O.K. That's all for now thanks for reading this far. > > Remember, the original question was: > Is Briggs part # 394988 the correct coil for points type ignition? >(I think it is). On the box it is packed in it is described as "armature mag." > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com 419.358.5206 Home 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Feb 26 12:04:40 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:04:40 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090226195847.00c3ea20@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 26/02/2009, you wrote: >Message: 13 >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:37:28 -0500 >From: Mark Shulaw >Subject: Re: [SEL] Back to the Briggs coil >To: The SEL email discussion list >Cc: Jerry Evans >Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20090226104533.0308ac00 at pop3.wcoil.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Hi Jerry, >No, you did not. Its not right for the Maytag. The coil listed will work in >a Briggs built with points ignition but only after you have disconnected or >removed the old points and condenser. Thanks Mark, That is the answer I was asking for. It just means I've lost a lot of "Beer Money" but I pay for my mistakes myself . In that case does anyone know the correct part number for the original Briggs coil that was used in their twins before anyone even thought of the solid state ignition? I'll do a bit more research on this side. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Feb 27 10:02:59 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:02:59 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Back to the Briggs coil/Good news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090227193248.01909640@mail.cyberserv.co.za> >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:04:40 +0200 >From: Jerry Evans >Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25 > >Hi Jerry, > >No, you did not. Its not right for the Maytag. The coil listed will work in > >a Briggs built with points ignition but only after you have disconnected or > >removed the old points and condenser. > >Thanks Mark, > That is the answer I was asking for. It just means I've lost a lot >of "Beer Money" but I pay for my mistakes myself . > > In that case does anyone know the correct part number for the >original Briggs coil that was used in their twins before anyone even >thought of the solid state ignition? > > I'll do a bit more research on this side. > >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans Hi Guys, The good news is that the email I've been waiting for from Briggs and Stratton USA has just arrived and they have confirmed that I did not actually waste all that "beer money". It is the correct coil for my intended use. Those 2 Maytags (and coils) will not end up as "boat anchors" after all !! :-) Here is an excerpt from their mail to me: ************ Subject Hello-I restore vintage engines and am trying to get confirmation on the type... My question is: Is part number 394988 the older type of coil that worked with points or was it a solid state coil. Thank you for your help. Jerry Evans in South Africa Discussion Thread Response (Michael-B & S) 02/27/2009 10:29 AM Thank you for inquiring about our products. 394988 is a coil used in conjunction with points and condenser. ************ Oh boy, my beer budget (and 2 Maytags) has/have been saved. (Apologies to Dave!) Thanks again for all the replies to this thread from all you guys. I did learn quite a few things. For all list members who, like me, are not experts on engines, ignitions etc. The Briggs & Stratton website has a lot of very interesting reading especially if you go to the spares section and then customer support and F.A.Q. section. No really technical info but lots of "how things work" articles written in simple non technical language. All Briggs operators and parts manuals are also available for download but be sure to have model numbers and such ready before you go there. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Feb 28 02:51:15 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:51:15 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Pioneer Gen-E-Motor Message-ID: Pulled something out of the shed the other day.I was given a small gen set ,something like a Cooper RV .Badged Pioneer Gen-E-Motor. I beleave it would have had a direct drive early model Briggs on it .As it was given to me itwas pulley driven the original engine crankcase and crank retained....all other bits of the engine gone .Anyone know anything about these gen sets ? I am thinking of adapting a Mk 10 Villiers to the direct drive.. as I think it would be impossible to get the original Briggs engine. From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Feb 28 10:33:10 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:33:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Pioneer Gen-E-Motor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090228200126.00c4aa88@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 07:00 PM 28/02/2009, Peter Ogborne wrote: >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:51:15 +0900 >From: "peter ogborne" >Subject: [SEL] Pioneer Gen-E-Motor > >Pulled something out of the shed the other day.I was given a small gen set >,something like a Cooper RV .Badged Pioneer Gen-E-Motor. I beleave it >would have had a direct drive early model Briggs on it .As it was given to >me itwas pulley driven the original engine crankcase and crank >retained....all other bits of the engine gone .Anyone know anything about >these gen sets ? I am thinking of adapting a Mk 10 Villiers to the direct >drive.. as I think it would be impossible to get the original Briggs engine. Hi Peter, Long time no hear. I have one of those direct coupled to a 1946 Briggs & Stratton NP and it is all original. I've had it running but the Briggs needs a rebore - parts are already bought - one of these days I'll get them from the USA. The Briggs N (or in his case NP) was one of the most prolifically manufactured Briggs motors and you should not battle to find one but the Villiers should work fine if you can live with an "American/English" marriage !! :-) (Speaking from memory The "P" in "NP" only denoted that it was a model "P" made specifically for a particular use.) Apart from the rebore needed mine works very well - the pushbutton start is a nice feature. It is called a 12 volt battery charger. Also search for "Pincor" - Pioneer Gen E Motor Corp. changed their name (or label) to Pincor at some stage. Another name to search for is "Blue Diamond". Lots of info on Smokstak and some more on EDGETA/ASECC (sp?). If you need pics or other info I should be able to help (but I'm not an expert). I've also drawn the Pincor decal for printing in anticipation of getting mine finished if you need one. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Feb 28 13:23:34 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:23:34 +1100 Subject: [SEL] What engine is it ??? Message-ID: <9057ED1BD6824F46B1EFB1F73A135122@peterlowe> Hi all What is this? http://cgi.ebay.com.au/VINTAGE-STATIONARY-PETROL-ENGINE_W0QQitemZ280317040799QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Business_Industrial_Farming_Agriculture_Farming_Agriculture_Equipment?hash=item280317040799&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 Ebay number 280317040799 Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Feb 28 14:20:37 2009 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:20:37 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Pioneer Gen-E-Motor References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090228200126.00c4aa88@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <143C6D55ED4C4A2E9B35EBA60710449B@acer8ff47bfe9a> Thanks Jerry, a picture of the Briggs engine would be great .It would help me in my search for one....maybe I'll be lucky . I will press ahead with the Villiers conversion anyway .It would not be the first US /Pom marriage. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 3:33 AM Subject: [SEL] Pioneer Gen-E-Motor > At 07:00 PM 28/02/2009, Peter Ogborne wrote: > >>Message: 2 >>Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:51:15 +0900 >>From: "peter ogborne" >>Subject: [SEL] Pioneer Gen-E-Motor >> >>Pulled something out of the shed the other day.I was given a small gen set >>,something like a Cooper RV .Badged Pioneer Gen-E-Motor. I beleave it >>would have had a direct drive early model Briggs on it .As it was given to >>me itwas pulley driven the original engine crankcase and crank >>retained....all other bits of the engine gone .Anyone know anything about >>these gen sets ? I am thinking of adapting a Mk 10 Villiers to the direct >>drive.. as I think it would be impossible to get the original Briggs >>engine. > > Hi Peter, > Long time no hear. > I have one of those direct coupled to a 1946 Briggs & Stratton NP > and it is all original. I've had it running but the Briggs needs a > rebore - > parts are already bought - one of these days I'll get them from the USA. > The Briggs N (or in his case NP) was one of the most prolifically > manufactured Briggs motors and you should not battle to find one but the > Villiers should work fine if you can live with an "American/English" > marriage !! :-) (Speaking from memory The "P" in "NP" only denoted that it > was a model "P" made specifically for a particular use.) > Apart from the rebore needed mine works very well - the pushbutton > start is a nice feature. It is called a 12 volt battery charger. > Also search for "Pincor" - Pioneer Gen E Motor Corp. changed > their name (or label) to Pincor at some stage. Another name to search for > is "Blue Diamond". Lots of info on Smokstak and some more on EDGETA/ASECC > (sp?). > If you need pics or other info I should be able to help (but I'm > not an expert). > I've also drawn the Pincor decal for printing in anticipation of > getting mine finished if you need one. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 14:25:30 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:25:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Pioneer Gen-E-Motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160902281425w3f03da56k18390475d39785ac@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/28 peter ogborne : > Pulled something out of the shed the other day.I was given a small gen set ,something like a Cooper RV .Badged Pioneer Gen-E-Motor. I beleave it would have had a direct drive early model Briggs on it .As it was given to me itwas pulley driven the original engine crankcase and crank retained....all other bits of the engine gone .Anyone know anything about these gen sets ? I am thinking of adapting a Mk 10 Villiers to the direct drive.. as I think it would be impossible to get the original Briggs engine. Made as a Cooper in Oz, BSA in the UK. Johnson Iron Horse and Pioneer Gen-E-Motor in the USA. http://www.asecc.com/data/iron/ We have 5 of the BSA version and two of the Pioneer gen-E-Motor. The Gen-E-Motor version was 12V and 250V output to power Wireless Set No12. I think I posted something here a few weeks or so ago. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk