From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Tue Dec 1 01:48:39 2009 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:48:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New video Message-ID: <45416E1B301A4F85B738217977329A78@bd32d875216e74> Just bought myself a new camera,canon Powershot, first movie try of Blackstone Hybrid on utube link is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfDng8hcin4 .have more Blackstones to video and add. Brian Watts. briwatt at optusnet.com.au (03) 97266147 David Watts damewatt at bigpond,com (03) 8761 6332 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Dec 1 02:10:03 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:10:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair In-Reply-To: <35F733EC747B46DA96408108F01377BD@acer8ff47bfe9a> References: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk><7B9F79BAAC954358AD7A35CC7F591488@regpc> <35F733EC747B46DA96408108F01377BD@acer8ff47bfe9a> Message-ID: <079730C3AD3C4378B6D5F86637E0BC50@KerryPC> Thanks Peter Kerry > Try ''Super Cast'' or ''Weld All''. > >> Reg, do you know a name / number of the latest type. From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Dec 1 07:04:39 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:04:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New video In-Reply-To: <45416E1B301A4F85B738217977329A78@bd32d875216e74> Message-ID: Brian: After looking at your video, I'm envious about your collection. Also, I really need to start looking for a better camera! The video was excellent! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Brian Watts > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 03:49 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list; > stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] New video > > > Just bought myself a new camera,canon Powershot, > first movie try of Blackstone Hybrid on utube > link is > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfDng8hcin4 .have > more Blackstones to video and add. > Brian Watts. > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > (03) 97266147 From rob at rustyiron.com Tue Dec 1 06:28:28 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:28:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New video In-Reply-To: <45416E1B301A4F85B738217977329A78@bd32d875216e74> References: <45416E1B301A4F85B738217977329A78@bd32d875216e74> Message-ID: <6C5D38A2-F03C-407A-A10D-1BC56B3D6DB8@rustyiron.com> Nice engines! On the next video, dwell a little longer on that magnificent sign. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Dec 1, 2009, at 1:48 AM, Brian Watts wrote: > Just bought myself a new camera,canon Powershot, first movie try of > Blackstone Hybrid on utube link ishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfDng8hcin4 > .have more Blackstones to video and add. > Brian Watts. > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > (03) 97266147 > > David Watts > damewatt at bigpond,com > (03) 8761 6332 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Dec 1 11:58:34 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:58:34 +0200 Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091201210627.00ad89d0@mail.atech.co.za> At 07:00 PM 01/12/2009, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:54:06 +0000 >From: Jim French >Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair >To: ATIS Stationary Engine List >Message-ID: <4B1406BE.3070401 at insulate.co.uk> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hi all this is Jim not Dolly > >On Saturday me and twin bro Andy went to see a Ruston Hornsby not 15 >miles from our village that has sat there from new !! The owner is an >81 year old who showed it to us and has asked us to get it running >again. It's in quite good order, still turning freely over but a valve >has stuck (not the problem) and years ago he kept on turning the engine >over to budge the sticking valve ... but bust the rocker arm !!! What >I'm asking is, what is the best way to repair the rocker arm as it is a >clean snap - braze, cast rod stick welded, stainless mig weld ?? >Now the dark nights are here well and propper, this will be a nice job. >Any thoughts? >JIM >Jim French Hi Jim (or is it "Not Dolly :-)), Late answer but I only get the digest. You have got many good and constructive answers re, welding, brazing etc. and most are good for your question. I do NOT have a better answer than those you have already received but would like to offer another idea for guys with small "broken" cast parts. Maybe we are fortunate here in South Africa, in that, we have a casting shop that is "restorer friendly". You could also just epoxy glue the 2 parts together (you said it was a clean break), fit bushes or plugs (nylon or any other material) to all the holes and take it to your local "restorer friendly" casting shop and askt them to make a "Sand Mould". They will use this "Sand Mould" to cast a new part at not too much cost (if they are as friendly as ours). I know that there is shrinkage etc. but these older parts usually had enough extra metal to accommodate that. On any "critical" surfaces you can always stick some shim stock, or even masking tape over them to compensate for shrinkage. when you machine the holes back in and reface the surfaces that need it. On smaller parts a few coats of a good quality "filler/Primer" will even give you enough "extra" to allow for shrinkage. As I mentioned - this is an alternative idea - not necessarily the answer to your question or problem - and will need machining afterwards. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Dec 1 13:41:33 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:41:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New video In-Reply-To: <45416E1B301A4F85B738217977329A78@bd32d875216e74> References: <45416E1B301A4F85B738217977329A78@bd32d875216e74> Message-ID: <20091201214119.2620F340012@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> Hey Brian, Whats with the tittle! Daves engines; mate I recon you should squeeze your name in there somewhere. This is the engine from Russell?? and nice job with the block also. The steel box there; I remember you getting that from Knighty's sale. Is this the correct box for that engine; it's a fuel box/tank isn't it? Looks great anyway. PS: I have that valve remade already for my 8hp; just waiting on a new crankshaft gear and will start re-assembly. Russell At 08:48 PM 1/12/2009, you wrote: >Just bought myself a new camera,canon Powershot, first movie try of >Blackstone Hybrid on utube link is >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfDng8hcin4 .have more Blackstones to >video and add. >Brian Watts. >briwatt at optusnet.com.au >(03) 97266147 > >David Watts >damewatt at bigpond,com >(03) 8761 6332 > >http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Dec 2 06:03:50 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:03:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Chase shingle mill blade Message-ID: Howdee all; Little slow this time of year so thought I'd ask: "Why does our vertical shingle mill use a tapered blade?" TIA, RickinMt. From rotigel at me.com Wed Dec 2 06:53:56 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:53:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Chase shingle mill blade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rick, If I'm understanding your question correctly it is so that the shingle will "fall" away from the blade properly. Dave On Dec 2, 2009, at 9:03 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > > Howdee all; > Little slow this time of year so thought I'd ask: "Why does our > vertical > shingle mill use a tapered blade?" > > TIA, > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Dec 2 07:08:25 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:08:25 EST Subject: [SEL] Chase shingle mill blade Message-ID: In a message dated 12/2/2009 10:02:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at me.com writes: If I'm understanding your question correctly it is so that the shingle will "fall" away from the blade properly. Rick/Dave, Or is it to provide clearance as the blade cuts thru the surface area of a shingle? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Dec 2 07:13:38 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:13:38 EST Subject: [SEL] magnet charger Message-ID: What does everyone think about the magnet charger instructions and built by Peter Rooke in December issue of GEM? Sure looks like a lot of thought was given to building it and is a very powerful charger. Everyone going out and order supplies and build it? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From jacob.warner at pdahome.com Wed Dec 2 07:47:22 2009 From: jacob.warner at pdahome.com (jacob warner) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:47:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] magnet charger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <72583e410912020747g667618aan2a017644768bffd8@mail.gmail.com> I think it was a great article! I hope to be able to try to build one soon. It has sparked an interest with me for gaussmeters like the one found here http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Gaussmeter/gaussmtr.html. I think it would be very helpful information to know what the strength of the magnet needs to be to create a hot enough spark. -Jacob jacob.warner at pdahome.com On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:13 AM, wrote: > What does everyone think about the magnet charger instructions and built > by Peter Rooke in December issue of GEM? Sure looks like a lot of thought > was given to building it and is a very powerful charger. Everyone going > out > and order supplies and build it? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Dec 2 08:06:21 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:06:21 EST Subject: [SEL] magnet charger Message-ID: In a message dated 12/2/2009 10:51:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, jacob.warner at pdahome.com writes: I think it was a great article! I hope to be able to try to build one soon. It has sparked an interest with me for gaussmeters like the one found here http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Gaussmeter/gaussmtr.html. I think it would be very helpful information to know what the strength of the magnet needs to be to create a hot enough spark Jacob, Sounds like a lot of fun! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Dec 2 08:23:34 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:23:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Chase shingle mill blade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's an example of our Shingle Mill...I believe this one's in Dave and Arnie's neck of the woods...Coolsprings. The blade is screwed (countersunk) from the backside to the big red blade flange. This blade is 36" in dia. and the cost was right around $1k , and can only be ground by a place in Snohomish, Washington (state). http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2970083600039077051TJvfWB after viewing that...hit next for a backside shot. Thanks guys for the quick reply Stay warm....1 above here Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Chase shingle mill blade > In a message dated 12/2/2009 10:02:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, > rotigel at me.com writes: > > If I'm understanding your question correctly it is so that > the shingle will "fall" away from the blade properly. > Rick/Dave, > > Or is it to provide clearance as the blade cuts thru the surface area of > a shingle? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at me.com Wed Dec 2 08:52:34 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:52:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Chase shingle mill blade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick, Is your question about the flange, or the blade itself? Dave On Dec 2, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > Here's an example of our Shingle Mill...I believe this one's in Dave > and > Arnie's neck of the woods...Coolsprings. > > The blade is screwed (countersunk) from the backside to the big red > blade > flange. This blade is 36" in dia. and the cost was right around > $1k , and > can only be ground by a place in Snohomish, Washington (state). > > http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2970083600039077051TJvfWB > > after viewing that...hit next for a backside shot. > > Thanks guys for the quick reply > > Stay warm....1 above here > > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:08 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Chase shingle mill blade > > >> In a message dated 12/2/2009 10:02:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, >> rotigel at me.com writes: >> >> If I'm understanding your question correctly it is so that >> the shingle will "fall" away from the blade properly. >> Rick/Dave, >> >> Or is it to provide clearance as the blade cuts thru the surface >> area of >> a shingle? >> >> Tom Schmutz >> Concord, Va. >> germoamer at AOL.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Dec 2 17:43:16 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:43:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Chase shingle mill blade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The blade itself...when the kerf hits that flange..something's going to happen..hopefully a sawn, split shingle. Rick > Rick, Is your question about the flange, or the blade itself? > Dave > > On Dec 2, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Dec 2 17:37:14 2009 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:37:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] magnet charger References: <72583e410912020747g667618aan2a017644768bffd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jacob, I found the magazine article to be very complete, well done. I restored a Model T Ford charger that I got at Portland, Ind. a few years ago and was disappointed in it. From Peter Rooke's article, I realized that I need to put the two coils in series, not parallel. I also found a 250 volt power supply with a big capacitor and plan to try that. One of the things I learned on that project is that the guys that charge magnets have their favorite piece of I -beam. They stick the magnet to the I -beam and pull it off and know if the magnet is weak or strong. They really don't need a meter. I think we distributed about 15 kits thru out SEL and I might have the list of where they went. All the PC boards are long gone, but I have about 10 of the lower sensitivity sensors in my H-E box if you need one. I use my gauss meter for mapping magnets on the flywheels of small air cooled engines and ignition triggers. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "jacob warner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] magnet charger >I think it was a great article! I hope to be able to try to build one soon. > It has sparked an interest with me for gaussmeters like the one found here > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Gaussmeter/gaussmtr.html. I think > it > would be very helpful information to know what the strength of the magnet > needs to be to create a hot enough spark. > > -Jacob From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Dec 2 19:02:33 2009 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:02:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] magnet charger References: <72583e410912020747g667618aan2a017644768bffd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15AA821021D4402893AF242A144FC0A1@Ed> Oops, got that backwards. I need to put the coils in parallel, not series. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed stoller" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] magnet charger > Hi Jacob, > > I found the magazine article to be very complete, well done. I restored a > Model T Ford charger that I got at Portland, Ind. a few years ago and was > disappointed in it. From Peter Rooke's article, I realized that I need to > put the two coils in series, not parallel. I also found a 250 volt power > supply with a big capacitor and plan to try that. > > > One of the things I learned on that project is that the guys that charge > magnets have their favorite piece of I -beam. They stick the magnet to the > I -beam and pull it off and know if the magnet is weak or strong. They > really don't need a meter. I think we distributed about 15 kits thru out > SEL > and I might have the list of where they went. > All the PC boards are long gone, but I have about 10 of the lower > sensitivity sensors in my H-E box if you need one. I use my gauss meter > for > mapping magnets on the flywheels of small air cooled engines and ignition > triggers. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jacob warner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:47 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] magnet charger > > >>I think it was a great article! I hope to be able to try to build one >>soon. >> It has sparked an interest with me for gaussmeters like the one found >> here >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Gaussmeter/gaussmtr.html. I think >> it >> would be very helpful information to know what the strength of the magnet >> needs to be to create a hot enough spark. >> >> -Jacob > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 3 07:57:14 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:57:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] magnet charger In-Reply-To: <15AA821021D4402893AF242A144FC0A1@Ed> Message-ID: Ed: It doesn't really matter that they're in series or parallel as long as the two coils are -either- wired in the same direction and connected backwards (in electrical polarity) or are wound in opposite directions and hooked together with the same electrical polarity. Rule of Thumb applies. Well - if you do connect them in series, you will need double the voltage to get the same magnetic field. And, yes, I still have my Gaussmeter. Checked it out the other day and the original battery is still good. I need to start taking it to shows. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ed stoller > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 09:03 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] magnet charger > > > Oops, got that backwards. I need to put the coils > in parallel, not series. > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ From jacob.warner at pdahome.com Thu Dec 3 07:49:15 2009 From: jacob.warner at pdahome.com (jacob warner) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:49:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] magnet charger In-Reply-To: References: <15AA821021D4402893AF242A144FC0A1@Ed> Message-ID: <72583e410912030749i2b82c5f0h8ebf70f5e111a808@mail.gmail.com> Elden, Have you collected any data on gauss measuments for different types of magnetos? -Jacob On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Elden DuRand wrote: > Ed: > > It doesn't really matter that they're in series or parallel as long as the > two coils are -either- wired in the same direction and connected backwards > (in electrical polarity) or are wound in opposite directions and hooked > together with the same electrical polarity. Rule of Thumb applies. > > Well - if you do connect them in series, you will need double the voltage > to get the same magnetic field. > > And, yes, I still have my Gaussmeter. Checked it out the other day and the > original battery is still good. I need to start taking it to shows. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Ed stoller > > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 09:03 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] magnet charger > > > > > > Oops, got that backwards. I need to put the coils > > in parallel, not series. > > Ed Stoller > > New Fairfield, CT > > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 3 09:12:24 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:12:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] magnet charger In-Reply-To: <72583e410912030749i2b82c5f0h8ebf70f5e111a808@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jacob: I think Ed Stoller (the inventor) has some measurements tabulated. I checked some magnetos after I built mine but didn't write 'em down. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of jacob > warner > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 09:49 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] magnet charger > > > Elden, > > Have you collected any data on gauss measuments > for different types of > magnetos? > > -Jacob From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Dec 3 15:58:37 2009 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:58:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] magnet charger References: Message-ID: <8A36F7C2CD944E4C951E4BDC4B304385@Ed> I rarely have the opportunity to play with a magneto and have no records of the strength of their magnets. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] magnet charger > Jacob: > > I think Ed Stoller (the inventor) has some measurements tabulated. I > checked some magnetos after I built mine but didn't write 'em down. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of jacob >> warner >> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 09:49 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] magnet charger >> >> >> Elden, >> >> Have you collected any data on gauss measuments >> for different types of >> magnetos? >> >> -Jacob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Dec 4 07:24:48 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:24:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] magnet charger In-Reply-To: <8A36F7C2CD944E4C951E4BDC4B304385@Ed> Message-ID: Ed: Clueless, ain't we? :-) 'Bout like our Guvmint. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ed stoller > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 05:59 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] magnet charger > > > I rarely have the opportunity to play with a > magneto and have no records of > the strength of their magnets. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elden DuRand" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:12 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] magnet charger > > > > Jacob: > > > > I think Ed Stoller (the inventor) has some > measurements tabulated. I > > checked some magnetos after I built mine but > didn't write 'em down. > > > > Take care - Elden > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > >> Behalf Of jacob > >> warner > >> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 09:49 AM > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] magnet charger > >> > >> > >> Elden, > >> > >> Have you collected any data on gauss measuments > >> for different types of > >> magnetos? > >> > >> -Jacob > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Dec 4 16:27:28 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:27:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Weight of Witte 12 hp Message-ID: <20091204.162829.16959.80903@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Hi all. What is the weight of a 12 hp Witte headless? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=ELVdZVCf4MIgO-HNHrM0BwAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Dec 5 02:47:29 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 21:47:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New address for Peter Lowe Message-ID: Hi all Just a quick note. We have moved house so our new address is: Peter & Kaye Lowe 16 Church Street Maclean, 2463 Australia Please make a note in case there is a need to snail mail me. Email address and phone are the same Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Dec 5 07:30:05 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:30:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Weight of Witte 12 hp In-Reply-To: <20091204.162829.16959.80903@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Ron: Heavy, man! Heavy. ;-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of rdhaskell > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 06:27 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; > stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Weight of Witte 12 hp > > > Hi all. > What is the weight of a 12 hp Witte headless? > Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com From rob at rustyiron.com Sat Dec 5 08:16:12 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:16:12 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Weight of Witte 12 hp In-Reply-To: <20091204.162829.16959.80903@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091204.162829.16959.80903@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <9C6A0D07-83B8-4BC0-BA90-7144DFB8DF4F@rustyiron.com> Just perfect for your trailer. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Dec 4, 2009, at 4:27 PM, rdhaskell wrote: > Hi all. > What is the weight of a 12 hp Witte headless? > Thanks. From gastzt at aol.com Sat Dec 5 08:20:51 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 11:20:51 EST Subject: [SEL] Weight of Witte 12 hp Message-ID: I was thinking the same thing--- REAL heavy--LOL Stan Z From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Dec 5 09:30:49 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:30:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Weight of Witte 12 hp In-Reply-To: <9C6A0D07-83B8-4BC0-BA90-7144DFB8DF4F@rustyiron.com> References: <20091204.162829.16959.80903@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> <9C6A0D07-83B8-4BC0-BA90-7144DFB8DF4F@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <85c17f265e70e570bf16bef01b350ae3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> I've got an undated Witte catalog that lists a 10 hp and a 15 hp throttle-governed engine as follows: 10 hp, bore 6.5" stroke 9" FW dia. 34" shipping weight 1350 lbs. 15 hp, bore 8.5" stroke 11" FW dia. 42" shipping weight 2000 lbs. Not exactly what you're looking for, but that should give you a feel at least for "heavy." 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Sat, December 5, 2009 11:16 am, Rob Skinner wrote: > Just perfect for your trailer. > > On Dec 4, 2009, at 4:27 PM, rdhaskell wrote: > >> What is the weight of a 12 hp Witte headless? From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun Dec 6 00:29:12 2009 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:29:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Pics Message-ID: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y09/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From peter at loud-n-clear.net Sun Dec 6 00:57:11 2009 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 08:57:11 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Pics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <040f01ca7652$1a4250f0$8335c53e@doc> Thanks for those, Patrick. What were all those hand-cranked devices on the red tablecloth? Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Patrick Livingstone > Sent: 06 December 2009 08:29 > To: ATIS; Oldengine > Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Pics > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y09/index.htm > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun Dec 6 01:44:47 2009 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:44:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <040f01ca7652$1a4250f0$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: Hi Pete, They are a mixture of apple peelers, corers & parers. They are great to see in action. On 6/12/09 7:57 PM, "Peter Scales" wrote: > Thanks for those, Patrick. What were all those hand-cranked devices on the > red tablecloth? > > > Pete Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From gastzt at aol.com Sun Dec 6 03:51:15 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 06:51:15 EST Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Pics Message-ID: ooops-- http ha! From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Dec 6 08:55:24 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:55:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Industrial Light needed In-Reply-To: <518521.89444.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8C86B7CC9B5948E5B5F7A181EC8AE40D@JIMDUNMYER> <518521.89444.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20091206165521.0336C88FF@smtp.wcoil.com> This is in regards to a demo washer restoration project a friend of mine is winding down. All that's needed is a light fixture like what's pictured below. The power cord goes into the side of the fixture. It is fastened to the washer by a bolt through the top of the crown. The fixture is smaller then the average industrial fixture. I have asked for overall dimensions. Will pass them on as soon as I get them. Does any one have a vintage fixture? Shooting for circa 1930 If I had to hazard a guess to size I would say 3 X 7 as an idea. Mark http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/fixture.jpg It goes into a washer like this http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/demo.jpg Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From kosh at ncweb.com Sun Dec 6 12:56:28 2009 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:56:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Pics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20091206155410.0c94c530@ncweb.com> Is the Crossley, http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y09/pages/DSCF4335_JPG.htm the air pump to start bigger Crossleys? Dave Merchant At 03:29 AM 12/6/2009, you wrote: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y09/index.htm > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Dec 6 13:49:10 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:49:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Pics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6a6d1147b3ae3d69e04d20869c1f455f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Patrick, Is that Kansas City Haypress model the one that Reg built? http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y09/pages/DSCF4009_JPG.htm See ya, Arnie On Sun, December 6, 2009 3:29 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y09/index.htm From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com Mon Dec 7 01:34:06 2009 From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (rustyiron1) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:34:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Buzacott Farm Pumper References: <040f01ca7652$1a4250f0$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <6E4CB0D8CF714591B796A8B739756A5B@Andy> Hello All I need a bit of help trying to date a Buzacott Farm Pumper. Is there a Serial No.Register that some one is keeping? Edd Payne did help with some of the identifications on these Pumpers back in Aug03, but nothing about the model I have. This Pumper has the Wico on the left hand side (Looking at the Flywheel). It came without a Flywheel, but I have since source one, it has Serial No.4121 stamped on the arrow. Any idea's Andy..... Brandon Qld. From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Dec 7 08:57:09 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:57:09 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Cars & Engines Message-ID: Mostly cars, and only a few engines, but it was still a good time. http://engines.rustyiron.com/Vintage-Motors Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com From George_Best at adp.com Mon Dec 7 09:10:55 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:10:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cars & Engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F31900A0A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Nice pictures Rob. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:57 AM To: Stationary-Engine ATIS; Oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Cars & Engines Mostly cars, and only a few engines, but it was still a good time. http://engines.rustyiron.com/Vintage-Motors Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From gastzt at aol.com Mon Dec 7 10:31:19 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:31:19 EST Subject: [SEL] Cars & Engines Message-ID: YES--- very very nice--and thanks! Stan Pleasanton, Tx From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Mon Dec 7 10:48:30 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:48:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thought I'd share with everyone what I was playing with over the weekend. It's a little Barker sideshaft that I'm getting ready to sell to help pay for my new engine barn. It's been sitting for a few years without doing anything with it so I figured I wouldn't miss it and now that I've had a chance to play with it it's going to suck having to part with it. :( but ya gotta do whatcha ya gotta do and I needed a new barn. They start putting up the new barn tomorrow. :) http://gasenginetom.com/Barker_sideshaft.html Tom Winland Ohio _________________________________________________________________ Chat with Messenger straight from your Hotmail inbox. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?ocid=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_4:092009 From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Mon Dec 7 11:34:06 2009 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:34:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Buzacott Farm Pumper In-Reply-To: <6E4CB0D8CF714591B796A8B739756A5B@Andy> References: <040f01ca7652$1a4250f0$8335c53e@doc> <6E4CB0D8CF714591B796A8B739756A5B@Andy> Message-ID: <4B1D58AE.9040904@rustic-engines.com> Andy, it (the Pumper) has probably been made up from two to a dozen different engines in its lifetime. You know Glen has one that shows signs of this happening? I'm sure he would be interested in anything that is uncovered here. Good luck mate. BTW how did you identify it as a Buzacott (without the flywheel)? Decal? Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com rustyiron1 wrote: > Hello All > I need a bit of help trying to date a Buzacott Farm Pumper. > Is there a Serial No.Register that some one is keeping? > Edd Payne did help with some of the identifications on these Pumpers back in > Aug03, > but nothing about the model I have. > This Pumper has the Wico on the left hand side (Looking at the Flywheel). > It came without a Flywheel, but I have since source one, it has Serial > No.4121 > stamped on the arrow. > Any idea's > > Andy..... > Brandon Qld. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ashpow at westnet.com.au Mon Dec 7 11:58:06 2009 From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (Ash Powell) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:58:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Lister D for sale Message-ID: <000001ca7777$9a1cc230$ce564690$@com.au> Hey all, I've got a Lister D in rough condition for sale. It has carb and magneto, missing fuel tank. It turns over and would be restorable or good for parts. Its located in Armidale NSW. I've had to move house and don't have any space for it. Cheers, Ash From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Dec 7 12:15:38 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:15:38 -0800 Subject: [SEL] unusual threads Message-ID: <20091207.121617.21414.86589@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com> Hi all. I ran across some unusual threads on a Aermotor air cooled. 7/16 x 12. Never heard of that one before, would like to clean them up. Can't find a listing for taps and dies. Any clues? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyer Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=850INKq7UVD49VlOysuxCgAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAiFgAAAAA= From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Dec 7 13:41:56 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:41:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft References: Message-ID: <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc> I am surprised to see a Barker with the shaft on the other side. All those here and the one I saw in UK have the shaft on the other side. Enjoy. Reg Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Winland" To: "SEL list" Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:48 AM Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft > > > Thought I'd share with everyone what I was playing with over the weekend. > It's a little Barker sideshaft that I'm getting ready to sell to help pay > for my new engine barn. It's been sitting for a few years without doing > anything with it so I figured I wouldn't miss it and now that I've had a > chance to play with it it's going to suck having to part with it. :( but > ya gotta do whatcha ya gotta do and I needed a new barn. They start > putting up the new barn tomorrow. :) > > > > http://gasenginetom.com/Barker_sideshaft.html > > > > Tom Winland > > Ohio > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with Messenger straight from your Hotmail inbox. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?ocid=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_4:092009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 13:45:32 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:45:32 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Indiana.edu Message-ID: <6f6025160912071345w241ac9d7x1a5659ee01ab7798@mail.gmail.com> Been going through the backups in the cupboard, and found a CD with some old Indiana.edu emails when Bryce had the Engine List on that server. A lot of familiar names, a few that are gone now, but quite a 'blast from the past'! Arnie & Rob are not in here for some reason, this is dated October 1998 but I felt sure that they were both on the List in those days, maybe I didn't index them into separate folders within the email programme. Here's one of Dave's: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= Hi All, Here are the answers to the "Qiezzie" I sent out last week. Credit must be given to Reg Ingold, for it was he from whom I stole it in the first place! Dave PS, Only one person got all the answers correct--and I lost that post. If the winner will simply send their Maytag Motor to me, I'll customize it (as promised) and send it right back to them. >> 1. There is one word in the English language that is always pronounced >> incorrectly. What is it? >> >> 2. A man gave one son 10 cents and another son was given 15 cents. What >> time is it? >> >> 3. A boat has a ladder that has six rungs, each rung is one foot apart. >> The bottom rung is one foot from the water. The tide rises at 12 inches >> every 15 minutes. High tide peaks in one hour. When the tide is at it's >> highest, how many rungs are under water? >> >> 4. There is a house with four walls. Each wall faces south. There is a >> window in each wall. A bear walks by one of the windows. What color is >> the bear? >> >> 5. Is half of two plus two equal to two or three? >> >> 6. There is a room. The shutters are blowing in. There is broken glass on >> the floor. There is water on the floor. You find Sloppy dead on the >> floor. Who is Sloppy?> How did Sloppy die? >> >> 7. How much dirt would be in a hole 6 feet deep and 6 feet wide that has >> been dug with a square edged shovel? >> >> 8. If I were in Hawaii and dropped a bowling ball in a bucket of water >> which is 45 degrees F, and dropped another ball of the same weight, >> mass,and size in a bucket at 30 degrees F, both of them at the same >> time, which ball would hit the bottom of the bucket first? >> Same question, but the location is in Canada? >> >> 9. What is the significance of the following: The year is 1978, >> thirty-four minutes past noon on May 6th. >> >> 10. What can go up a chimney down, but can't go down a chimney up? >> (hint... chim chimminy) >> >> 11. If a farmer has 5 haystacks in one field and 4 haystacks in the >> other field, how many haystacks would he have if he combined them all in >> the center field? >> >> 12. What is it that goes up and goes down but does not move? >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Answers available :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rotigel at me.com Mon Dec 7 14:22:20 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:22:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc> References: <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc> Message-ID: Hi Reg, So all that you have seen have the shaft on "the other side" and the one to which Tom called your attention has the shaft on "the other side." (Anyone besides Reg see where this is going?) Does that mean that they are the same? Dave On Dec 7, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Reg Ingold wrote: > I am surprised to see a Barker with the shaft on the other side. > All those here and the one I saw in UK have the shaft on the other > side. > Enjoy. > Reg > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle. NSW. Australia > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Winland" > To: "SEL list" > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:48 AM > Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft > > >> >> >> Thought I'd share with everyone what I was playing with over the >> weekend. >> It's a little Barker sideshaft that I'm getting ready to sell to >> help pay >> for my new engine barn. It's been sitting for a few years without >> doing >> anything with it so I figured I wouldn't miss it and now that I've >> had a >> chance to play with it it's going to suck having to part with it. : >> ( but >> ya gotta do whatcha ya gotta do and I needed a new barn. They start >> putting up the new barn tomorrow. :) >> >> >> >> http://gasenginetom.com/Barker_sideshaft.html >> >> >> >> Tom Winland >> >> Ohio >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Chat with Messenger straight from your Hotmail inbox. >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?ocid=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_4:092009 >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Mon Dec 7 14:42:36 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:42:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Indiana.edu In-Reply-To: <6f6025160912071345w241ac9d7x1a5659ee01ab7798@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160912071345w241ac9d7x1a5659ee01ab7798@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Those were indeed good days Peter! And both Arnie and Rob were on the List. Given their jobs in the mid/late 1990's (Rob working for the KGB and Arnie for the CIA) their e-mails self-destructed 48 hours after they were sent. Dave On Dec 7, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > Arnie & Rob are not in here for some reason, this is dated October > 1998 but I felt sure that they were both on the List in those days, > maybe I didn't index them into separate folders within the email > programme. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Dec 7 15:22:35 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:22:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc> References: <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc> Message-ID: <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC> Yes that settles it Reg, they are all on the other side Kerry >I am surprised to see a Barker with the shaft on the other side. > All those here and the one I saw in UK have the shaft on the other side. > Enjoy. From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Dec 7 16:53:44 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:53:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Indiana.edu In-Reply-To: <6f6025160912071345w241ac9d7x1a5659ee01ab7798@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160912071345w241ac9d7x1a5659ee01ab7798@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6A84D203-9617-471B-A6BC-1BD5435585DD@rustyiron.com> On Dec 7, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Arnie & Rob are not in here for some reason, Because of the sensitive nature of many of my emails, they are encoded to self destruct in five seconds. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Dec 7 17:12:39 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:12:39 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Indiana.edu In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160912071345w241ac9d7x1a5659ee01ab7798@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0830E162-C293-4755-AB01-73CAF2168AA9@rustyiron.com> On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:42 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > their e-mails self-destructed 48 hours after > they were sent. > Dave Great minds... From rotigel at me.com Mon Dec 7 18:57:51 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:57:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Indiana.edu In-Reply-To: <0830E162-C293-4755-AB01-73CAF2168AA9@rustyiron.com> References: <6f6025160912071345w241ac9d7x1a5659ee01ab7798@mail.gmail.com> <0830E162-C293-4755-AB01-73CAF2168AA9@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: And 1700 miles apart at that! Dave PS, GREAT article on Hercules and Glenn in this months Hit & Miss! Did you send a copy to Marian? On Dec 7, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:42 PM, David Rotigel wrote: >> their e-mails self-destructed 48 hours after >> they were sent. >> Dave > > Great minds... > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Dec 7 19:18:08 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:18:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Indiana.edu In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160912071345w241ac9d7x1a5659ee01ab7798@mail.gmail.com> <0830E162-C293-4755-AB01-73CAF2168AA9@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <07C08E95-C417-4B93-BFD8-8E32E509C196@rustyiron.com> I did not. I was thinking that if Keith thought it appropriate, he would ask me to send him a copy to deliver to Marian, or I could mail it off direct, if I had her address. I've never met Marian. For that matter, if you think that young whipper snapper shown pillaging that 12 horse Hercules from under the barn would like a copy, I can send him one, as well. Rob On Dec 7, 2009, at 6:57 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > And 1700 miles apart at that! > Dave > PS, GREAT article on Hercules and Glenn in this months Hit & Miss! Did > you send a copy to Marian? From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Dec 7 20:17:42 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:17:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft References: <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc> <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC> Message-ID: OK,OK, I could have worded that better but I am suffering heat stroke! Thats my story and I am sticking to it. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Barker sideshaft > Yes that settles it Reg, they are all on the other side > > Kerry > > > >>I am surprised to see a Barker with the shaft on the other side. >> All those here and the one I saw in UK have the shaft on the other side. >> Enjoy. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustyjnk at ncbb.net Mon Dec 7 23:43:28 2009 From: rustyjnk at ncbb.net (norman karde) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:43:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] List Message-ID: <4B1E03A0.6050806@ncbb.net> members on list. NK From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com Tue Dec 8 01:07:50 2009 From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (rustyiron1) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:07:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Buzacott Farm Pumper References: <040f01ca7652$1a4250f0$8335c53e@doc><6E4CB0D8CF714591B796A8B739756A5B@Andy> <4B1D58AE.9040904@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <407D974830934974B1596B94EE25EF9D@Andy> Al, There was a small part of a Decal on the main body, but was that an add on by some one else? The Wico on the left hand side is the give away, but I can't prove it. I saw one in Darwin at the old Qantas hanger, and the owner assured me that it was a Buzacott. The flywheel I've got for it came of the same type of engine but in a worse condition. If I can't find out for sure, I'll badge it as a Buzacott, and let some one prove it as some thing else. I don't know if Glen has seen it or not, he was supposed to come down on Sunday, but with the new house he may have thought that was more important, ether way I'll have a go at him about it. I phoned Don Reid in Brisbane, he wasn't sure, he thought it may be a F&J, but would try and find out the date from the serial No. Andy..... Brandon Qld ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Buzacott Farm Pumper > Andy, > > it (the Pumper) has probably been made up from two to a dozen different > engines in its lifetime. > You know Glen has one that shows signs of this happening? I'm sure he > would be interested in anything that is uncovered here. > Good luck mate. > > BTW how did you identify it as a Buzacott (without the flywheel)? Decal? > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > rustyiron1 wrote: >> Hello All >> I need a bit of help trying to date a Buzacott Farm Pumper. >> Is there a Serial No.Register that some one is keeping? >> Edd Payne did help with some of the identifications on these Pumpers back >> in >> Aug03, >> but nothing about the model I have. >> This Pumper has the Wico on the left hand side (Looking at the Flywheel). >> It came without a Flywheel, but I have since source one, it has Serial >> No.4121 >> stamped on the arrow. >> Any idea's >> >> Andy..... >> Brandon Qld. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Dec 8 04:00:10 2009 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 12:00:10 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Pratt University Brooklyn, New York a bit OT Message-ID: <000b01ca77fd$ff03a2a0$42920556@intrepid> This was posted on the English Engine group & I don't remember it being mentioned on the USA groups. I find it a place of beauty even if it is steam not Internal combustion. The article seems to say that it doesn't have any preservation order on it and it could be removed. I wish it was near me! http://steampunkworkshop.com/visit-pratt-university-steam-plant Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Dec 8 06:56:10 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:56:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Pratt University Brooklyn, New York a bit OT In-Reply-To: <000b01ca77fd$ff03a2a0$42920556@intrepid> Message-ID: Dave: Thanks for the link! It's good to know that some organizations actually value their mechanical heritage. NOW, if the "asbestos freaks" can be held at bay............... Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Dave Croft > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 06:00 AM > To: atis > Cc: Oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Pratt University Brooklyn, New > York a bit OT From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Tue Dec 8 06:21:15 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:21:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: References: <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc>, <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC>, Message-ID: Now all of you guys have me confused, are all the others like mine or is mine different? Thanks Tom Winland Ohio > From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:17:42 +1100 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Barker sideshaft > > OK,OK, I could have worded that better but I am suffering heat stroke! > Thats my story and I am sticking to it. > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle. NSW. Australia > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerry" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:22 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Barker sideshaft > > > > Yes that settles it Reg, they are all on the other side > > > > Kerry > > > > > > > >>I am surprised to see a Barker with the shaft on the other side. > >> All those here and the one I saw in UK have the shaft on the other side. > >> Enjoy. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail gives you a free,exclusive gift. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?ocid=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_7:092009 From rotigel at me.com Tue Dec 8 07:09:14 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:09:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: References: <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc> <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC> Message-ID: Hi Tom, Yes! Dave On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Tom Winland wrote: > > Now all of you guys have me confused, are all the others like mine > or is mine different? > > Thanks > > Tom Winland From obise at moscow.com Tue Dec 8 07:31:41 2009 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:31:41 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Pratt University Brooklyn, New York a bit OT In-Reply-To: <000b01ca77fd$ff03a2a0$42920556@intrepid> References: <000b01ca77fd$ff03a2a0$42920556@intrepid> Message-ID: Thank you for the link, Dave. Forgive me for using a worn out adjective, but that's awesome. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 4:00 AM To: atis Cc: Oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Pratt University Brooklyn, New York a bit OT This was posted on the English Engine group & I don't remember it being mentioned on the USA groups. I find it a place of beauty even if it is steam not Internal combustion. The article seems to say that it doesn't have any preservation order on it and it could be removed. I wish it was near me! http://steampunkworkshop.com/visit-pratt-university-steam-plant Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Dec 8 07:53:08 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:53:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pratt University Brooklyn, New York a bit OT In-Reply-To: <000b01ca77fd$ff03a2a0$42920556@intrepid> References: <000b01ca77fd$ff03a2a0$42920556@intrepid> Message-ID: Thanks much Dave....very KEWL !! Rickincoldassmontanaat22below From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue Dec 8 08:01:29 2009 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:01:29 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Webster brackets / ignitors Message-ID: <9736721004544D5C8803F21A06DBF9E9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi all , I was wondering does anybody know if there is someone out their that makes either or both of these things ? if so do you have any contact information for them. Thanks, Craig P.S; Dave I know that your answers will probably be yes and yes , but I would need more information than that. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Dec 8 08:34:53 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:34:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Indiana.edu In-Reply-To: <6A84D203-9617-471B-A6BC-1BD5435585DD@rustyiron.com> References: <6f6025160912071345w241ac9d7x1a5659ee01ab7798@mail.gmail.com> <6A84D203-9617-471B-A6BC-1BD5435585DD@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: And mine are written using those invisible neutrons rather than the more conventional electrons. They're all there, but you need special Detecto-Specs to see 'em. See ya, Arnie On Mon, December 7, 2009 7:53 pm, Rob Skinner wrote: > On Dec 7, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: >> Arnie & Rob are not in here for some reason, > > Because of the sensitive nature of many of my emails, they are encoded > to self destruct in five seconds. From g.fulton at encompassair.com Tue Dec 8 09:42:03 2009 From: g.fulton at encompassair.com (Garrett Fulton) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:42:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <348935.78345.qm@web603.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> g.fulton at encompassair.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 10:32:23 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:32:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Indiana.edu In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160912071345w241ac9d7x1a5659ee01ab7798@mail.gmail.com> <6A84D203-9617-471B-A6BC-1BD5435585DD@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160912081032j38a8b52x6a180b5e06e8098f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/8 Arnie Fero : > And mine are written using those invisible neutrons rather than the more > conventional electrons. ?They're all there, but you need special Detecto-Specs to > see 'em. > > See ya, ?Arnie What I would LOVE to find a copy of, is the Mourning Doves exchange between you and Rob. I've got part of it on paper print, but not the whole exchange. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 11:31:26 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:31:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Indiana.edu In-Reply-To: <6f6025160912081032j38a8b52x6a180b5e06e8098f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160912071345w241ac9d7x1a5659ee01ab7798@mail.gmail.com> <6A84D203-9617-471B-A6BC-1BD5435585DD@rustyiron.com> <6f6025160912081032j38a8b52x6a180b5e06e8098f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160912081131r74b99dadj66b8959402fa727b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/8 Listerdiesel : > 2009/12/8 Arnie Fero : >> And mine are written using those invisible neutrons rather than the more >> conventional electrons. ?They're all there, but you need special Detecto-Specs to >> see 'em. >> >> See ya, ?Arnie > > What I would LOVE to find a copy of, is the Mourning Doves exchange > between you and Rob. > > I've got part of it on paper print, but not the whole exchange. Here's a part of it: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To: stationary-engine at atis.net Subject: Re: Morning Doves--OT From: MaytagTwin at aol.com Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:20:19 EDT In a message dated 7/28/2001 8:53:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, feroa at venus.pgh.wec.com writes: << im now trying to teach that black snake to fly since i aint got my doves no more. can you help me teach him to fly? arnie bill-bo >> Dear Arnie, I wish you wouldn't even make jokes about teaching that black snake to fly. Here at the Maytag Mansion on Poverty Ridge we are so poor we don't have any doves but we do have starlings. We used to have only a few nesting in the shed, but after hurricane Floyd, when the roof opened a little, we now have a nice flock nesting in the attic. Admittedly, our starlings make a sqwaking noise rather than the soothing cooing the doves make, and they tend to shit all over the clothes on the clothes line, but, they are friendly and always come out to say hello whenever I go out to pee under the lilac bush and that is more than the doves ever did, no wonder people around here shoot doves. But back to the point about not teaching your snake to fly. We have black snakes here, too, and while they are good about keeping down the rats and mice, they give my starlings a hard time and I want to know how to keep that from happening and I don't think teaching them to fly (the snakes) is any kind of answer. So far the best thing I have found is to put wads of plastic netting like you use to keep your cherry tree from having those damn birds eat all the cherries (not the starlings, the other birds) around where the snakes might crawl and when they try to crawl through the netting is works just like a gill net and you have yourself a nice fat black snake all ready for whatever you want to do with him. I apologize for writing about starlings instead of doves, but I really don't want to see snakes fly because then they wouldn't get caught in the fruit tree netting and they would be able to roam my attic and eat my baby starlings. Please hep. Ron PS: Does anyone have a good recipe for black snake, a friend wants to know. :>) PPS: Starlings are not blackbirds, so don't even start talking about how many for a pie. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Dec 8 13:36:37 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:36:37 EST Subject: [SEL] Webster brackets / ignitors Message-ID: Someone took over Ted Brookover's business on ignitors, but I do not know who. I know no one that is making repro brackets. Not much help. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From rotigel at me.com Tue Dec 8 17:07:30 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:07:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Webster brackets / ignitors In-Reply-To: <9736721004544D5C8803F21A06DBF9E9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <9736721004544D5C8803F21A06DBF9E9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: Hi Craig, For what is it that you need these parts? Dave On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:01 AM, craig morrison wrote: > Hi all , > I was wondering does anybody know if there is someone out > their that makes either or both of these things ? if so do you have > any contact information for them. > > Thanks, Craig > > > P.S; Dave I know that your answers will probably be yes and yes , > but I would need more information than that. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Tue Dec 8 17:30:30 2009 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:30:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Farm Pumper help Message-ID: <250557.37514.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gday Andy Looks like you still need more info on your pumper. I've got one of these and a few other Buzacotts. This's my .02. The 2 pumpers that I'm aware of that also had Wico EK's fitted are Buzacott and Southern Cross. The SC's look top have the EK on the RHS as looking at the flywheel (Kindschi, Vol 1 pg 115), Buzacotts on the left (like mine). Don't think a F&J ever had an EK fitted. Could be wrong -- never seen one but. So you've prob. got a Buzacott. Now the serial Nos. My several Buzacotts/rosebery's of various models seem to follow a simple sequence irrespective of the model type. I'm not in my shed, but my pumper is 9xxx so would put it about 1930, rotary mag 2A at 5xxx so 1925, 2HP and 5HP V verts at 10xxx so 1933, a wico EK model 2A at 10xxx so 1930's, 4HP W vert 129xx at about 1936 etc. So your flywheel you found at S/N 4121 is good and at about 1924 fits in well with 1923 the beginning of the EK mags. FYI, my Buzza has a small oval plate on the flywheel with I think (need to check) S/N in the arrow AND the crank hole cover in the side is made of sheetmetal NOT a casting. Might be a good guide. Hit me with your email direct and I can take some pics for you. Mine has the flywheel off at present due to crank bearings repair. I'm doing this by pressing out the whitemetal bearing (they're not poured in rough cast), machining in lathe then press in a bronze insert. Saves re-pouring whitemetal and having to line bore the crankcase (yuk) to keep it true. Hope this helps , Graham in Melb. __________________________________________________________________________________ See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/ From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Tue Dec 8 20:27:12 2009 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:27:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Farm Pumper help Message-ID: <4B1F2720.4050402@accnorwalk.com> F & J used an EK on their pumper engines in the states. Not sure if it was standard equipment on the later ones or an option. I thought Buzacotts were the Aussie version of the F&J or didn't that apply to the pumper engines? Doug T Gday Andy Don't think a F&J ever had an EK fitted. Could be wrong -- never seen one but. From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Dec 8 21:47:45 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:47:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Lake Forest show pics. Message-ID: <20091208.214817.19009.91882@mailpop01.vgs.untd.com> Hi all. Last Saturday my local club (WAPA) was invited again to display at the Lake Forest Victorian Christmas open house. Cool overcast day but a good crowd and lots of fun. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/LakeForest2009# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Water Heater Some like it hot. Click now for a reliable new water heater! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=gzagS2u5xJWQouwdEoWP3gAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGIAAAAAA= From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Tue Dec 8 22:56:32 2009 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:56:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Farm Pumper help References: <250557.37514.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Graham, I will have to catch with you about the casting patterns, maybe over xmas. also started to put videos of our blackstone engines on utube Brian Watts briwatt at optusnet.com.au (03) 97266147 Video at. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=brianvwatts&search_type=&aq=f http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat > Gday Andy > > Looks like you still need more info on your pumper. I've got one of these > and a few other Buzacotts. This's my .02. > > The 2 pumpers that I'm aware of that also had Wico EK's fitted are > Buzacott and Southern Cross. The SC's look top have the EK on the RHS as > looking at the flywheel (Kindschi, Vol 1 pg 115), Buzacotts on the left > (like mine). Don't think a F&J ever had an EK fitted. Could be wrong -- > never seen one but. So you've prob. got a Buzacott. > > Now the serial Nos. My several Buzacotts/rosebery's of various models seem > to follow a simple sequence irrespective of the model type. I'm not in my > shed, but my pumper is 9xxx so would put it about 1930, rotary mag 2A at > 5xxx so 1925, 2HP and 5HP V verts at 10xxx so 1933, a wico EK model 2A at > 10xxx so 1930's, 4HP W vert 129xx at about 1936 etc. > > So your flywheel you found at S/N 4121 is good and at about 1924 fits in > well with 1923 the beginning of the EK mags. FYI, my Buzza has a small > oval plate on the flywheel with I think (need to check) S/N in the arrow > AND the crank hole cover in the side is made of sheetmetal NOT a casting. > Might be a good guide. Hit me with your email direct and I can take some > pics for you. Mine has the flywheel off at present due to crank bearings > repair. I'm doing this by pressing out the whitemetal bearing (they're not > poured in rough cast), machining in lathe then press in a bronze insert. > Saves re-pouring whitemetal and having to line bore the crankcase (yuk) to > keep it true. > > Hope this helps , Graham in Melb. > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________________ > See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: > http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Wed Dec 9 03:38:13 2009 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:38:13 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Webster brackets / ignitors References: <9736721004544D5C8803F21A06DBF9E9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <36ED9B50C09149519E084E4B0C3CAFA9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Dave, I need these parts either or , but preferable the Webster bracket for a Wiscona Pep engine of 1 1/2 hp. Someone has fabricated an ignitor which works from associated ignitor parts and it looks very much wrong for this type of engine. Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Webster brackets / ignitors > Hi Craig, For what is it that you need these parts? > Dave > > On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:01 AM, craig morrison wrote: > >> Hi all , >> I was wondering does anybody know if there is someone out >> their that makes either or both of these things ? if so do you have >> any contact information for them. >> >> Thanks, Craig >> >> >> P.S; Dave I know that your answers will probably be yes and yes , >> but I would need more information than that. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.98/2552 - Release Date: 12/08/09 07:34:00 From rotigel at me.com Wed Dec 9 17:42:29 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:42:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Webster brackets / ignitors In-Reply-To: <36ED9B50C09149519E084E4B0C3CAFA9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <9736721004544D5C8803F21A06DBF9E9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <36ED9B50C09149519E084E4B0C3CAFA9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: Have you tried Hit & Miss? Dave Anyone know the bracket #? I can't find my _Wendel's Little Notebook_! On Dec 9, 2009, at 6:38 AM, craig morrison wrote: > Hi Dave, I need these parts either or , but preferable the Webster > bracket > for a Wiscona Pep engine of 1 1/2 hp. Someone has fabricated an > ignitor > which works from associated ignitor parts and it looks very much > wrong for > this type of engine. > Craig > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:07 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Webster brackets / ignitors > > >> Hi Craig, For what is it that you need these parts? >> Dave >> >> On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:01 AM, craig morrison wrote: >> >>> Hi all , >>> I was wondering does anybody know if there is someone out >>> their that makes either or both of these things ? if so do you have >>> any contact information for them. >>> >>> Thanks, Craig >>> >>> >>> P.S; Dave I know that your answers will probably be yes and yes , >>> but I would need more information than that. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.98/2552 - Release Date: > 12/08/09 > 07:34:00 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Wed Dec 9 23:14:19 2009 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:14:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] farm pumper question Message-ID: <200255.65102.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Doug Correct, Buzacotts were just another of the many knock-off's of yankee engines! The first Co. to do pumpers was Langwill + Davies in Melb, very early perhaps pre-1920, almost an exact replica, but with mag (Dixie?). Others as mentioned with their various magneto types and positions up to the 1950's or so. The Kangaroo pumper (orchard sprayer) was a good one. A cast base, plain flywheel, rotary mag at back and pinion to drive a myers & bro. pump, vertical 1/2 barrel vat all on a cart with horse drawbars. Would like to find one of these! Then there was the no-name multimotor style, but not exactly like F&J's!! Nick's site is good for F&J or the 2 Vern Kindschi books. Graham >F & J used an EK on their pumper engines in the states. Not sure if it >was standard equipment on the later ones or an option. I thought >Buzacotts were the Aussie version of the F&J or didn't that apply to the >pumper engines? Doug T __________________________________________________________________________________ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/ From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Dec 10 12:33:42 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:33:42 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Memories !!! (a bit O.T.) Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091210213409.03486e10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, I just picked up a United States Motors Corp. Genset. Unfortunately the motor itself is past saving. Someone in it's past stripped everything out of it and just used the crankcase, bearings and crankshaft. A "Vee belt" pulley was fitted in place of the flywheel and it was then belted to a small Lister to provide the power. The genny itself as well as the electrical control board appears to be complete so I will have to find something to drive it. It's a 36 volt/42 (or maybe 4.2 I cannot see a "point" on the plate) amp @ 2600 R.P.M. unit. Beautiful etched brass plate painted in 2 colours but more of the genny later. Pics will follow soon. Anyway, the subject line says "Memories". While "Googling" for info I came across this page from Google books - Popular Science 1951 which carries an advert for United States Motors Corp. This brought back so many memories of childhood - I used to read "Popular Mechanics" and the part I remember most was all the fantastic adverts for such "cool stuff" at such affordable prices - "army surplus" - "electric motors" - "build it yourself plans" etc. How I dreamt of living in the USA and being able to buy some of those things!! Of course, in those days it was not as easy as today to order via the Internet. Buying (or importing) something from a magazine advert was just unheard of. I used to spend hours reading the adverts and dreaming what I could do with some of the great stuff advertised there. Everything was so cheap (in those days our currency was equal to the dollar)and prices were about 1/4 of what we would have to pay locally. Of course I had no money in those days but that was never a reason not to dream! I am sure that I enjoyed the adverts more than I enjoyed the actual articles. They certainly provided me with many hours of pleasurable dreaming !! Many years passed after I'd left home (without "Popular Mechanics" - my Dad used to buy them) and the local currency became weak against the US$ making the magazine a luxury which I could not afford. Then one day, probably about 15 years ago I came across them on the bookstore shelves again, but now as a "South African edition" and affordable. My heart jumped for joy and I bought one and rushed home to read it (actually I probably read it in my car outside the bookstore). What a disappointment - it never had all those great adverts anymore - no more 'bargains" - no more "army surplus" - no more "build it yourself plans" !! Just the same old adverts that all our other local mags had. I remember feeling devastated and "let down". That was the last "Popular Mechanics" I ever bought - I do not even know if there is a local edition anymore. O.K. that's enough rambling and memories - more about the genset later. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From gastzt at aol.com Thu Dec 10 13:33:38 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:33:38 EST Subject: [SEL] Memories !!! (a bit O.T.) Message-ID: Most likely 42 amp--- had one similar YEARS ago--- good luck with it! Stan Z Pleasanton, Tx From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Dec 10 14:44:21 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:44:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Memories !!! (a bit O.T.) References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091210213409.03486e10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <004b01ca79ea$5126b5c0$4d644b47@mikecomp> Jerry, Quit having so much fun and get back to my tags!!!! :) Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 3:33 PM Subject: [SEL] Memories !!! (a bit O.T.) > Hi All, > I just picked up a United States Motors Corp. Genset. > Unfortunately the motor itself is past saving. Someone in it's past > stripped everything out of it and just used the crankcase, bearings and > crankshaft. A "Vee belt" pulley was fitted in place of the flywheel and it > was then belted to a small Lister to provide the power. > > The genny itself as well as the electrical control board appears > to be complete so I will have to find something to drive it. It's a 36 > volt/42 (or maybe 4.2 I cannot see a "point" on the plate) amp @ 2600 > R.P.M. unit. Beautiful etched brass plate painted in 2 colours but more of > the genny later. Pics will follow soon. > > Anyway, the subject line says "Memories". While "Googling" for > info I came across this page from Google books - Popular Science 1951 > which > carries an advert for United States Motors Corp. > > > > > This brought back so many memories of childhood - I used to read > "Popular Mechanics" and the part I remember most was all the fantastic > adverts for such "cool stuff" at such affordable prices - "army surplus" - > "electric motors" - "build it yourself plans" etc. > > How I dreamt of living in the USA and being able to buy some of > those things!! Of course, in those days it was not as easy as today to > order via the Internet. Buying (or importing) something from a magazine > advert was just unheard of. I used to spend hours reading the adverts and > dreaming what I could do with some of the great stuff advertised there. > Everything was so cheap (in those days our currency was equal to the > dollar)and prices were about 1/4 of what we would have to pay locally. Of > course I had no money in those days but that was never a reason not to > dream! > > I am sure that I enjoyed the adverts more than I enjoyed the > actual articles. They certainly provided me with many hours of pleasurable > dreaming !! > > Many years passed after I'd left home (without "Popular Mechanics" > - my Dad used to buy them) and the local currency became weak against the > US$ making the magazine a luxury which I could not afford. Then one day, > probably about 15 years ago I came across them on the bookstore shelves > again, but now as a "South African edition" and affordable. My heart > jumped > for joy and I bought one and rushed home to read it (actually I probably > read it in my car outside the bookstore). What a disappointment - it never > had all those great adverts anymore - no more 'bargains" - no more "army > surplus" - no more "build it yourself plans" !! Just the same old adverts > that all our other local mags had. I remember feeling devastated and "let > down". That was the last "Popular Mechanics" I ever bought - I do not even > know if there is a local edition anymore. > > O.K. that's enough rambling and memories - more about the genset > later. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Thu Dec 10 15:57:34 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:57:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Memories !!! (a bit O.T.) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091210213409.03486e10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091210213409.03486e10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <747DE309-76B5-44B1-941A-F3CD4ED07DDC@me.com> Hi Jerry, I know it's NOT the same, but see: http://www.popularmechanics.com/ Dave PS, You can't go back home! On Dec 10, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi All, > I just picked up a United States Motors Corp. Genset. > Unfortunately the motor itself is past saving. Someone in it's past > stripped everything out of it and just used the crankcase, bearings > and > crankshaft. A "Vee belt" pulley was fitted in place of the flywheel > and it > was then belted to a small Lister to provide the power. > > The genny itself as well as the electrical control board > appears > to be complete so I will have to find something to drive it. It's a 36 > volt/42 (or maybe 4.2 I cannot see a "point" on the plate) amp @ 2600 > R.P.M. unit. Beautiful etched brass plate painted in 2 colours but > more of > the genny later. Pics will follow soon. > > Anyway, the subject line says "Memories". While "Googling" for > info I came across this page from Google books - Popular Science > 1951 which > carries an advert for United States Motors Corp. > > > > > This brought back so many memories of childhood - I used to > read > "Popular Mechanics" and the part I remember most was all the fantastic > adverts for such "cool stuff" at such affordable prices - "army > surplus" - > "electric motors" - "build it yourself plans" etc. > > How I dreamt of living in the USA and being able to buy some > of > those things!! Of course, in those days it was not as easy as today to > order via the Internet. Buying (or importing) something from a > magazine > advert was just unheard of. I used to spend hours reading the > adverts and > dreaming what I could do with some of the great stuff advertised > there. > Everything was so cheap (in those days our currency was equal to the > dollar)and prices were about 1/4 of what we would have to pay > locally. Of > course I had no money in those days but that was never a reason not > to dream! > > I am sure that I enjoyed the adverts more than I enjoyed the > actual articles. They certainly provided me with many hours of > pleasurable > dreaming !! > > Many years passed after I'd left home (without "Popular > Mechanics" > - my Dad used to buy them) and the local currency became weak > against the > US$ making the magazine a luxury which I could not afford. Then one > day, > probably about 15 years ago I came across them on the bookstore > shelves > again, but now as a "South African edition" and affordable. My heart > jumped > for joy and I bought one and rushed home to read it (actually I > probably > read it in my car outside the bookstore). What a disappointment - it > never > had all those great adverts anymore - no more 'bargains" - no more > "army > surplus" - no more "build it yourself plans" !! Just the same old > adverts > that all our other local mags had. I remember feeling devastated and > "let > down". That was the last "Popular Mechanics" I ever bought - I do > not even > know if there is a local edition anymore. > > O.K. that's enough rambling and memories - more about the > genset > later. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Dec 10 16:22:36 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:22:36 +0200 Subject: [SEL] United States Motors Corp. genset Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091211021404.00b10468@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Any suggestions or help will be appreciated on this genset that just jumped onto my truck!!: Thanks in advance. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jbcast at charter.net Thu Dec 10 17:30:47 2009 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:30:47 -0800 Subject: [SEL] United States Motors Corp. genset In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091211021404.00b10468@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20091210203047.KS9XH.470110.root@mp20> Looks like a Briggs & Stratton A, I gave one away, still have two. It's a shame they are so far from you. J.B. From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Thu Dec 10 19:17:13 2009 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:17:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] United States Motors Corp. genset In-Reply-To: <20091210203047.KS9XH.470110.root@mp20> References: <20091210203047.KS9XH.470110.root@mp20> Message-ID: <4B21B9B9.6080900@accnorwalk.com> An A doesn't have a removable bearing plate on the PTO side. It would have to be a B or bigger. A "B" was only 2 1/2 HP up to a Z which would be rated anywhere from 4-6 HP. Doug T jbcast at charter.net wrote: > Looks like a Briggs & Stratton A, I gave one away, still have two. It's a shame they are so far from you. > J.B. > _______________________________________________ > > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Dec 11 07:29:53 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:29:53 +0200 Subject: [SEL] United States Motors Corp. genset/Update Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091211170600.00abb8c8@mail.atech.co.za> Hi Doug, JB and Brad, I think that I have have managed to correctly identify the engine as a Briggs Model B (2-3 H.P.). This after studying the manuals as well as this page on Asecc's site: It is bigger than the Model A but smaller than the K, Z, and ZZ. It also has the removable drive side bearing housing (not present on the A) but not the detachable cylinder as the K, Z and ZZ have. I also took the head off and the bore measures 2.6475" (Standard for the "B" is 2.625") so this one had been bored out. Another surprise awaited once I had the head off - No Crankshaft. The person who had modified it had replaced the crank with a straight shaft and thereby reduced the engine to a "bearing block" for the genny. I do know of 2 "Z" engines lying in an open yard about 500 miles away and have contacted the owner (also a collector) to see if they are repairable. If so, I may get them and replace the "B" with one of them. Failing that I will couple the genny up to a small Lister "as is" (including the present "bearing block" Briggs) and show it like that - all part of it's history after all !! At least the genny and it's very nice "control box' will be saved and will go into retirement in my shed. Thanks for your help and interest. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Fri Dec 11 07:47:21 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:47:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: References: , , <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc>, <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC>, , , Message-ID: For anyone interested I have listed the Barker on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110468706388 > From: rotigel at me.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:09:14 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Barker sideshaft > > Hi Tom, Yes! > Dave > > On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Tom Winland wrote: > > > > > Now all of you guys have me confused, are all the others like mine > > or is mine different? > > > > Thanks > > > > Tom Winland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From rotigel at me.com Fri Dec 11 08:02:38 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:02:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: References: <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc> <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC> Message-ID: <1CE343C0-8F17-4F0B-9F8D-9E0E61F9D969@me.com> NICE looking and running engine Tom! Dave On Dec 11, 2009, at 10:47 AM, Tom Winland wrote: > > For anyone interested I have listed the Barker on Ebay > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110468706388 > >> From: rotigel at me.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:09:14 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barker sideshaft >> >> Hi Tom, Yes! >> Dave >> >> On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Tom Winland wrote: >> >>> >>> Now all of you guys have me confused, are all the others like mine >>> or is mine different? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Tom Winland >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Dec 11 08:04:24 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:04:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <070451F142EA496FBB704592BE32D5A9@tommyd0x52gkco> Tom, And the description says it has "Brass Bears" on it too! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY For anyone interested I have listed the Barker on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110468706388 From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 11 08:08:40 2009 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:08:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] United States Motors Corp. genset/Update In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091211170600.00abb8c8@mail.atech.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091211170600.00abb8c8@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: well done Jerry. There is merit in showing it either way. The way you found it, or the way it was supposed to be. Paul - N. IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] United States Motors Corp. genset/Update > Hi Doug, JB and Brad, > I think that I have have managed to correctly identify the engine > as a Briggs Model B (2-3 H.P.). This after studying the manuals as well as > this page on Asecc's site: > > > > It is bigger than the Model A but smaller than the K, Z, and ZZ. > It also has the removable drive side bearing housing (not present on the > A) > but not the detachable cylinder as the K, Z and ZZ have. > > I also took the head off and the bore measures 2.6475" (Standard > for the "B" is 2.625") so this one had been bored out. > > Another surprise awaited once I had the head off - No Crankshaft. > The person who had modified it had replaced the crank with a straight > shaft > and thereby reduced the engine to a "bearing block" for the genny. > > I do know of 2 "Z" engines lying in an open yard about 500 miles > away and have contacted the owner (also a collector) to see if they are > repairable. If so, I may get them and replace the "B" with one of them. > Failing that I will couple the genny up to a small Lister "as is" > (including the present "bearing block" Briggs) and show it like that - all > part of it's history after all !! At least the genny and it's very nice > "control box' will be saved and will go into retirement in my shed. > > Thanks for your help and interest. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Fri Dec 11 08:15:03 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:15:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: <070451F142EA496FBB704592BE32D5A9@tommyd0x52gkco> References: , <070451F142EA496FBB704592BE32D5A9@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: LOL, guess I missed that one when I proof read it. No wonder I didn't do well in English class LOL Tom Winland Ohio > Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:04:24 -0500 > From: lcjudge at scrtc.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Barker sideshaft > > Tom, > And the description says it has "Brass Bears" on it too! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > For anyone interested I have listed the Barker on Ebay > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110468706388 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Fri Dec 11 08:17:22 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:17:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: <1CE343C0-8F17-4F0B-9F8D-9E0E61F9D969@me.com> References: , , <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc>, <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC>, , , , , <1CE343C0-8F17-4F0B-9F8D-9E0E61F9D969@me.com> Message-ID: Thanks Dave, I hate to part with it but gotta pay for the new engine barn to put the rest of the toys in > From: rotigel at me.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:02:38 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Barker sideshaft > > NICE looking and running engine Tom! > Dave > > On Dec 11, 2009, at 10:47 AM, Tom Winland wrote: > > > > > For anyone interested I have listed the Barker on Ebay > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110468706388 > > > >> From: rotigel at me.com > >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:09:14 -0500 > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barker sideshaft > >> > >> Hi Tom, Yes! > >> Dave > >> > >> On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Tom Winland wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Now all of you guys have me confused, are all the others like mine > >>> or is mine different? > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> Tom Winland > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Dec 11 09:43:15 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:43:15 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Memories !!! (a bit O.T.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091211193933.05b13a38@mail.atech.co.za> At 07:00 PM 11/12/2009, you wrote: >Message: 4 >Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:57:34 -0500 >From: David Rotigel >Subject: Re: [SEL] Memories !!! (a bit O.T.) >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <747DE309-76B5-44B1-941A-F3CD4ED07DDC at me.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > >Hi Jerry, I know it's NOT the same, but see: http://www.popularmechanics.com/ > Dave >PS, You can't go back home! Thanks for the link Dave, I'll look into it as soon as I have a bit of spare time. A few months back ISTR that someone also sent a link to Google Books for the old issues of Popular Mechanics. Unfortunately I've lost it - would that person please care to repost it. many thanks, Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From rustyjnk at ncbb.net Fri Dec 11 09:47:59 2009 From: rustyjnk at ncbb.net (norman karde) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:47:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] list Message-ID: <4B2285CF.4020206@ncbb.net> copy for file. NK From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Dec 11 09:47:46 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:47:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Briggs manuals Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091211194330.00afc470@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, For those who may be interested (and not know) most of the manuals for old Briggs and Stratton engines are available for free download from the Briggs site here: I hope this is useful. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 11 10:18:43 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:18:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: References: , , <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc>, <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC>, , , Message-ID: <5270480ea8599c8091b86ccd5453ca7b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Tom, One other comment on your description. It doesn't say if the sideshaft is located on this side or on the other side. ISTR that was quite a point of discussion on the list. You might want to clear that up. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Fri, December 11, 2009 10:47 am, Tom Winland wrote: > For anyone interested I have listed the Barker on Ebay > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110468706388 From rotigel at me.com Fri Dec 11 10:31:21 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:31:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: <5270480ea8599c8091b86ccd5453ca7b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc> <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC> <5270480ea8599c8091b86ccd5453ca7b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6B3BBDFC-C130-4EEA-BA3C-1F8544B7745B@me.com> Arnie, The pictures CLEARLY show that it's on the "same side" as the flyball governor, NOT "the other side." Dave PS, The real question is which side are the bears on! On Dec 11, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Tom, > > One other comment on your description. It doesn't say if the > sideshaft is located > on this side or on the other side. ISTR that was quite a point of > discussion on the > list. You might want to clear that up. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, December 11, 2009 10:47 am, Tom Winland wrote: >> For anyone interested I have listed the Barker on Ebay >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110468706388 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at rustyiron.com Fri Dec 11 11:48:28 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:48:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [SEL] list In-Reply-To: <4B2285CF.4020206@ncbb.net> References: <4B2285CF.4020206@ncbb.net> Message-ID: <59268.168.215.206.73.1260560908.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Norman, WHAT are all these senseless emails you keep sending to the SEL? Curt > copy for file. NK > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Dec 11 11:55:02 2009 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:55:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Memories !!! (a bit O.T.) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091211193933.05b13a38@mail.atech.co.za> References: Hi Jerry, I attached a message below. Is this the one you are looking for? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================= > From: jerrye at databak.co.za > > > A few months back ISTR that someone also sent a link to Google > Books for the old issues of Popular Mechanics. Unfortunately I've lost it - > would that person please care to repost it. ====================================== Gas Power? From: Ken Christison (christison at coastalnet.com) Sent: Mon 8/03/09 12:40 AM I do a lot of google book searches, and one that I have found worthwhile lately are issues of Gas Power magazine. These are full of great ads and useful info on engines and tractors. The files are large, so a fast connection is a must. http://books.google.com/books?q=editions:0CZKJjGNvSEgPzl4A8&id=tLHNAAAAMAAJ And here is another one titled Gas Engine: http://books.google.com/books?q=editions:07Ltb5KJiHDMXPTD9G&id=0_vNAAAAMAAJ&as_brr=1 Hope they wrap for you. If not you might need to copy and paste the urls. Hope someone finds this info useful. There are numerous great books available for download, so if you are interested, you might want to search and download all you can before someone decides they can charge us for them. The links above are for the full issues, and not previews or snippets. Take care. Ken _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Dec 11 12:58:21 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 07:58:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft References: , , <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc>, <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC>, , , <5270480ea8599c8091b86ccd5453ca7b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <747F8A06998144B685F60EF710765FA7@regpc> Ya just dont let up, do ya? Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Barker sideshaft > Tom, > > One other comment on your description. It doesn't say if the sideshaft is > located > on this side or on the other side. ISTR that was quite a point of > discussion on the > list. You might want to clear that up. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, December 11, 2009 10:47 am, Tom Winland wrote: >> For anyone interested I have listed the Barker on Ebay >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110468706388 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Dec 11 13:10:32 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:10:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: <747F8A06998144B685F60EF710765FA7@regpc> References: , , <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc>, <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC>, , , <5270480ea8599c8091b86ccd5453ca7b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <747F8A06998144B685F60EF710765FA7@regpc> Message-ID: Arnie WE worked it out they are ALL on the other side, so no need for Tom to clear it up Hope this helps Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz > >> Tom, >> >> One other comment on your description. It doesn't say if the sideshaft >> is >> located >> on this side or on the other side. ISTR that was quite a point of >> discussion on the >> list. You might want to clear that up. 8-)) >> >> See ya, Arnie From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Dec 11 13:54:10 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:54:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: References: <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc> <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC> <5270480ea8599c8091b86ccd5453ca7b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <747F8A06998144B685F60EF710765FA7@regpc> Message-ID: <20091211215352.E4243FC035@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au> I wonder if the same principles apply for a vertical side shaft engine? Without the engine pointing east or west Reg might need some help; kinda like knowing which side of a tree is the front or the back of the tree; if you get my meaning mmmmm ! So is the side shaft on a vertical engine at the front of the engine or the back of the engine?? Might be one we need to the girls to answer. Russell At 08:10 AM 12/12/2009, you wrote: >Arnie WE worked it out they are ALL on the other side, so no need for Tom to >clear it up > >Hope this helps > >Kerry >Lithgow NSW Oz > > > >> Tom, > >> > >> One other comment on your description. It doesn't say if the sideshaft > >> is > >> located > >> on this side or on the other side. ISTR that was quite a point of > >> discussion on the > >> list. You might want to clear that up. 8-)) > >> > >> See ya, Arnie > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Dec 11 15:25:28 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:25:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft Message-ID: <20091211.152603.428.100550@mailpop05.vgs.untd.com> A vertical to us would be an inverted to Reg. The down under thing. (sorry Reg) Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:54:10 +1100 Russell Gilbert writes: > I wonder if the same principles apply for a vertical side shaft > engine? Without the engine pointing east or west Reg might need some > > help; kinda like knowing which side of a tree is the front or the > back of the tree; if you get my meaning mmmmm ! > > So is the side shaft on a vertical engine at the front of the engine > > or the back of the engine?? Might be one we need to the girls to > answer. > Russell ____________________________________________________________ Hotel Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=nKeKqHmguI1lj1ql4xFvywAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATRAAAAAA= From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Fri Dec 11 16:23:48 2009 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:23:48 EST Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft Message-ID: easy to find the back side of a tree, its were there is a turd as everyone goes behind a tree for a s##t Peter Woodmore. peterwoodmore at aol.com Skype name Woadmere From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Dec 11 17:18:41 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:18:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft References: <20091211.152603.428.100550@mailpop05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <7926D3D29AF6402FB44BA818984D87CB@regpc> I am getting used to it ! (Sigh) Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "rdhaskell" To: Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Barker sideshaft > A vertical to us would be an inverted to Reg. The down under thing. > (sorry Reg) > > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:54:10 +1100 Russell Gilbert > writes: >> I wonder if the same principles apply for a vertical side shaft >> engine? Without the engine pointing east or west Reg might need some >> >> help; kinda like knowing which side of a tree is the front or the >> back of the tree; if you get my meaning mmmmm ! >> >> So is the side shaft on a vertical engine at the front of the engine >> >> or the back of the engine?? Might be one we need to the girls to >> answer. >> Russell > ____________________________________________________________ > Hotel > Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=nKeKqHmguI1lj1ql4xFvywAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATRAAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Dec 12 05:34:09 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 06:34:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential Message-ID: I'm at loss here gang and need some advice. My grandson's 2002 Avalanche 1500, with small V-8 has a terrible sound in the front end..both in 2wd and worse in 4wd. I believe I've found the problem with the left output(flange) on the front differential. The axial play on that flange is well over a quarter of an inch. The differential assy. looks to be a straight up remove and replace but was wondering if anyone on the list has had the same encounter and if there were any surprises. The internet is not much help...a shop manual costs 120 rockets. Today I will drain the diff. fluid and see if it's throwing metal. Any help is APPRECIATED, RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Dec 12 05:58:15 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 06:58:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry I should have also stated that the left output(flange) oil seal is leaking also....suspect bearing going out. Also am led to believe the differential assembly is SKU 3069725 Rick From ddotto at cableone.net Sat Dec 12 07:09:30 2009 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:09:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rick I have a 2002 GMC Sierra 1/2 ton PU; probably the same drive train as the Avalanche. I had my front differential repaired under warranty due to a poor bearing retainer design. The way I understand there are some lock plates with tabs that get bent down to secure the bearings. I guess the tabs brake off and you then loose the preload on the assy. Mine started out with a very faint tic, tic, tic, when turning a corner at low speed. I got it into that dealer right away and they repaired it. I'm pretty sure they now have redesigned bearing retainers; so you will want to be sure to get them. Because I didn't do the work; I can't answer your question about how hard of a job it is. Dave In cold snowy Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:34 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential I'm at loss here gang and need some advice. My grandson's 2002 Avalanche 1500, with small V-8 has a terrible sound in the front end..both in 2wd and worse in 4wd. I believe I've found the problem with the left output(flange) on the front differential. The axial play on that flange is well over a quarter of an inch. The differential assy. looks to be a straight up remove and replace but was wondering if anyone on the list has had the same encounter and if there were any surprises. The internet is not much help...a shop manual costs 120 rockets. Today I will drain the diff. fluid and see if it's throwing metal. Any help is APPRECIATED, RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4680 (20091211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4680 (20091211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4680 (20091211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Dec 12 08:01:09 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:01:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Dave in cold and snowy Idaho :-) Do you know if you have 3.73 gears or 4.11's? So far one is 600 rockets with the other around 1300..minus labor. What size engine do you have? Rick in just coldass Montana > Hi Rick > > I have a 2002 GMC Sierra 1/2 ton PU; probably the same drive train as the > Avalanche. From enginepaul at gmail.com Sat Dec 12 08:04:10 2009 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:04:10 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0912120804r4755a898y6a22300f3362c642@mail.gmail.com> Not much help from me, but you might want to look here for starters: http://www.chevyavalanchefanclub.com/cafcna/index.php?PHPSESSID=88ffbf3c5a71b3b6860c719de8547c61&board=14.0 Also Google other models that have the same suspension and add the word "liist" or club to it and you may get first hand repair advice. (The same way people might find this list) I think Auto Zone and others have recall lists on line and if youir problem is a factory problem, they fix it free. Did you try e-bay for a manual? I've got my recent ones there and some special tools at reasonable prices too. One hour in a repair shop in SanFran Bay Area is $120, give or take a little; maybe manuals aren't so expensive. Good luck, Paul in California From ddotto at cableone.net Sat Dec 12 09:27:23 2009 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:27:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B4743BB7F2F460B9FCF2E5424B8C518@shop> Hi Rick I pretty sure they are the 3.73 gears; I caught mine quick enough that all they did was install new retainers and bearings. Here is a list of the parts they used; 2 9420095 Bearing 2 15801507 Seal 1 12471590 Seal 1 26053758 Bearing 1 9413427 BRG ASM-R 2 15588312 Lock Diff 1 1052943 Sealant 2 89021677 Gear Lube 2 12378392 Cleaner 1 12479162 Spacer This is what the Tech wrote on the repair bill. Front end noise: Found that one of the locking tabs was broken in the front diff. Letting the adjuster move and putting the ring gear to far from the ring gear. Replace locking tabs, side bearings, Pinion Bearings, and axle seals. Set up the ring and pinion. Hope this helps, DAve -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:01 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential Thanks Dave in cold and snowy Idaho :-) Do you know if you have 3.73 gears or 4.11's? So far one is 600 rockets with the other around 1300..minus labor. What size engine do you have? Rick in just coldass Montana > Hi Rick > > I have a 2002 GMC Sierra 1/2 ton PU; probably the same drive train as the > Avalanche. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4680 (20091211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4680 (20091211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4680 (20091211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From ddotto at cableone.net Sat Dec 12 09:48:36 2009 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:48:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9CCBE6296BC24D608F4B97265DABF20A@shop> Rick It has the 5.3L V8 Dave -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:01 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential Thanks Dave in cold and snowy Idaho :-) Do you know if you have 3.73 gears or 4.11's? So far one is 600 rockets with the other around 1300..minus labor. What size engine do you have? Rick in just coldass Montana > Hi Rick > > I have a 2002 GMC Sierra 1/2 ton PU; probably the same drive train as the > Avalanche. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4680 (20091211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4680 (20091211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4680 (20091211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Dec 12 10:26:10 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:26:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Memories !!! (a bit O.T.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091212202254.022409a8@mail.atech.co.za> At 07:00 PM 12/12/2009, you wrote: >Message: 7 >Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:55:02 +0000 >From: Luke Tonneberger >Subject: Re: [SEL] Memories !!! (a bit O.T.) > >Hi Jerry, >I attached a message below. Is this the one you are looking for? >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA > > > >Gas Power? >From: >Ken Christison >I do a lot of google book searches, and one that I have found worthwhile >lately >are issues of Gas Power magazine. These are full of great ads and >useful info >on engines and tractors. The files are large, so a fast connection is a >must. >http://books.google.com/books?q=editions:0CZKJjGNvSEgPzl4A8&id=tLHNAAAAMAAJ >And here is another one titled Gas Engine: >http://books.google.com/books?q=editions:07Ltb5KJiHDMXPTD9G&id=0_vNAAAAMAAJ&as_brr=1 > >Hope they wrap for you. If not you might need to copy and paste the urls. > Hope someone finds this info useful. There are numerous great books >available for download, >so if you are interested, you might want to search and download all you >can before someone decides >they can charge us for them. The links above are for the full issues, >and not previews or snippets. >Take care. >Ken Hi Luke, Thanks for that, I'm not sure if they are the same as I was thinking about but still very interesting. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From alkamminga at hotmail.com Sat Dec 12 16:45:29 2009 From: alkamminga at hotmail.com (Al Kamminga) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:45:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The problem you describe is a common problem. There is not a recall on it. Go to www.obd2.com to get recalls. The most common transmission in the 1500 Avi is the 4L60 but a 4180E was available in a beefed up version. Both have the 5.3 engine. According to the young guy I'm helping (Lincoln Tech trained) the differential is a bear to get out but the repair is easy. You may need a special tool though. A lot of stuff has to be removed to get the diff out. If you or anyone wants information on this or any vehicle he will gladly answer your questions. He can be emailed at hotrodjeff19 at yahoo.com. If you need to call him request his number. He keeps my 04 Avi, 01 Monte, 02 Grand Am, and 94 Firebird all running. Also works on the Cub Cadet, Speedex, and other lawn type engines for me. He is not allowed to touch the 07 Honda Goldwing though. It is amazing he can't understand how our old engines work. Sucking fuel is a concept foreign to him. I'm working on that though. Give him a vehicle with a computer and he knows it. He hears a car going down the street and tells me which engine it has. All I know is it runs. Al Kamminga NW Indiana alkamminga at hotmail.com > From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 06:34:09 -0700 > Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential > > > I'm at loss here gang and need some advice. My grandson's 2002 Avalanche > 1500, with small V-8 has a terrible sound in the front end..both in 2wd and > worse in 4wd. I believe I've found the problem with the left output(flange) > on the front differential. The axial play on that flange is well over a > quarter of an inch. The differential assy. looks to be a straight up remove > and replace but was wondering if anyone on the list has had the same > encounter and if there were any surprises. > > The internet is not much help...a shop manual costs 120 rockets. > > Today I will drain the diff. fluid and see if it's throwing metal. > > Any help is APPRECIATED, > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Dec 12 19:11:27 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:11:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential In-Reply-To: <2B4743BB7F2F460B9FCF2E5424B8C518@shop> References: <2B4743BB7F2F460B9FCF2E5424B8C518@shop> Message-ID: Thanks Dave and Al for taking the time and effort...means a lot! Well here's a pix of the drain plug...that's metallaic fuzz and we say in the aircraft world...not many chips. There's an 1/8" dia. x ~3/8's long magnet in there somewhere. http://family.webshots.com/album/575899863snXacI Took over 7 hrs for the local Chevy dealer to call me back. The assembly is no long available and have to wait till Monday to find the proper rebuild replacement. I don't think a repair is in order with all that fuzz floating around so will go with replacement. And Al thanks for the R&R info. It looked like a drop-out, drop-in module.....do appreciate the info. Merry Christmas all; Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Otto" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential > Hi Rick > > I pretty sure they are the 3.73 gears; I caught mine quick enough that all > they did was install new retainers and bearings. > > Here is a list of the parts they used; > 2 9420095 Bearing > 2 15801507 Seal > 1 12471590 Seal > 1 26053758 Bearing > 1 9413427 BRG ASM-R > 2 15588312 Lock Diff > 1 1052943 Sealant > 2 89021677 Gear Lube > 2 12378392 Cleaner > 1 12479162 Spacer > > This is what the Tech wrote on the repair bill. > > Front end noise: Found that one of the locking tabs was broken in the > front > diff. Letting the adjuster move and putting the ring gear to far from the > ring gear. Replace locking tabs, side bearings, Pinion Bearings, and axle > seals. Set up the ring and pinion. > > Hope this helps, > DAve > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:01 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential > > Thanks Dave in cold and snowy Idaho :-) > > Do you know if you have 3.73 gears or 4.11's? So far one is 600 rockets > with the other around 1300..minus labor. What size engine do you have? > > Rick in just coldass Montana > > > > > Hi Rick > > > > I have a 2002 GMC Sierra 1/2 ton PU; probably the same drive train as > > the > > Avalanche. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4680 (20091211) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4680 (20091211) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4680 (20091211) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Dec 12 19:17:49 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:17:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0912120804r4755a898y6a22300f3362c642@mail.gmail.com> References: <8d3c36fb0912120804r4755a898y6a22300f3362c642@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: and thanks much to you Paul. Forums can be a great help. Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. Johns" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential > Not much help from me, but you might want to look here for starters: > http://www.chevyavalanchefanclub.com/cafcna/index.php?PHPSESSID=88ffbf3c5a71b3b6860c719de8547c61&board=14.0 > > Also Google other models that have the same suspension and add the word > "liist" or club to it and you may get first hand repair advice. (The same > way people might find this list) > > I think Auto Zone and others have recall lists on line and if youir > problem > is a factory problem, they fix it free. > > Did you try e-bay for a manual? I've got my recent ones there and some > special tools at reasonable prices too. One hour in a repair shop in > SanFran > Bay Area is $120, give or take a little; maybe manuals aren't so > expensive. > > Good luck, > Paul in California > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au Mon Dec 14 01:40:40 2009 From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Domeney Brothers) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:40:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New Topic: Hills Diesel Message-ID: <09E69D0E1B414C57A9E64E24A9833E5D@shed> Hi there, engine lovers I was reading through the February 1936 edition of "The RUDDER-The Magazine for Yachtsmen" ( mail is fairly slow here from USA) when I came on a story about the new Hill Diesel Engine. A single cylinder marine engine developing from 10-15 hp, and designed by Mr R E Olds (I assume of Oldsmobile fame). The interesting feature of the engine is the design, no cylinder head, two pistons in the cylinder come together to create the compression, and power is transmitted by rocker shafts to the crankshaft. It is identical (but only 1/3 the size) of the Tilling Stevens engine used by the Rootes Group in England for the Commer truck. Napier engines also used a similar system with large engines and 3 banks of cylinders. However, this Hill engine predates the Tilling Stevens unit by 12 years. An interesting claim made in the story is that the engine could be dismantled, new piston rings fitted, the engine reassembled and be running again in 5 minutes. Were the Hill engines sold in any numbers? Do any still exist today? Can anyone out there add to the story, please? With thanks Teddy From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Dec 14 09:52:37 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:52:37 +0200 Subject: [SEL] New Topic: Hills Diesel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091214194253.0227c820@mail.atech.co.za> At 07:00 PM 14/12/2009, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:40:40 +1100 >From: "Domeney Brothers" >Subject: [SEL] New Topic: Hills Diesel >To: >Message-ID: <09E69D0E1B414C57A9E64E24A9833E5D at shed> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi there, engine lovers >I was reading through the February 1936 edition of "The RUDDER-The >Magazine for Yachtsmen" ( mail is fairly slow here from USA) when I came >on a story about the new Hill Diesel Engine. A single cylinder marine >engine developing from 10-15 hp, and designed by Mr R E Olds (I assume of >Oldsmobile fame). > >The interesting feature of the engine is the design, no cylinder head, two >pistons in the cylinder come together to create the compression, and power >is transmitted by rocker shafts to the crankshaft. > >It is identical (but only 1/3 the size) of the Tilling Stevens engine used >by the Rootes Group in England for the Commer truck. Napier engines also >used a similar system with large engines and 3 banks of cylinders. > >However, this Hill engine predates the Tilling Stevens unit by 12 years. > >An interesting claim made in the story is that the engine could be >dismantled, new piston rings fitted, the engine reassembled and be running >again in 5 minutes. > >Were the Hill engines sold in any numbers? Do any still exist today? Can >anyone out there add to the story, please? > >With thanks > >Teddy Hi Teddy, And to think - I thought our post was slow!! Google finds a lot of info on the engine as well as a copy of the 1937 patent with clear drawings here: According to this his name was Ransom E Olds and it looks like the first patent was filed in 1934. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 14 10:42:39 2009 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:42:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Hemphill Diesel School Book Message-ID: <606055.40205.qm@web112613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi, A good friend recently gave me a book from the Hemphill Diesel Training School, dated 1936. I would like to scan it and place it on my website (1020titan.com)?for free downloading, but am wondering if there is a better way than making .pdfs with Acrobat. So, my question is.... what method would you suggest? Scanning as images or pdfs or what have you? I would greatly appreciate your input. Thanks, Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan From frm8198 at aol.com Mon Dec 14 11:13:30 2009 From: frm8198 at aol.com (frm8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:13:30 EST Subject: [SEL] New Topic: Hills Diesel Message-ID: <15a8.2fabdf9d.3857e85a@aol.com> Thanks. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 In a message dated 12/14/2009 10:25:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, jerrye at databak.co.za writes: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/2099371.html From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Dec 14 15:16:45 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:16:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Hemphill Diesel School Book In-Reply-To: <606055.40205.qm@web112613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <606055.40205.qm@web112613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey, Joe. The question has often kept me awake at night, yet I have not come up with a better method than pdf for sharing multi-page literature. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Dec 14, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Joe Prindle wrote: > Hi, > A good friend recently gave me a book from the Hemphill Diesel > Training School, dated 1936. I would like to scan it and place it on > my website (1020titan.com) for free downloading, but am wondering if > there is a better way than making .pdfs with Acrobat. > So, my question is.... what method would you suggest? Scanning as > images or pdfs or what have you? > I would greatly appreciate your input. > Thanks, > Joe > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." > Spike Milligan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 14 17:15:07 2009 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:15:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Hemphill Diesel School Book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161863.76163.qm@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks, Rob. I am also fond of the pdf. The one thing that I don't like about it is that all it is a line of text on my page linking to the file. Perhaps I need to use a thumbnail of the cover as the link. I think that I will try breaking it down into sections for download, with a description of what is in each part. Thanks, Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Rob Skinner wrote: From: Rob Skinner Subject: Re: [SEL] Hemphill Diesel School Book To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 5:16 PM Hey, Joe.? The question has often kept me awake at night, yet I have? not come up with a better method than pdf for sharing multi-page? literature. ??? Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Dec 14, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Joe Prindle wrote: > Hi, > A good friend recently gave me a book from the Hemphill Diesel? > Training School, dated 1936. I would like to scan it and place it on? > my website (1020titan.com) for free downloading, but am wondering if? > there is a better way than making .pdfs with Acrobat. > So, my question is.... what method would you suggest? Scanning as? > images or pdfs or what have you? > I would greatly appreciate your input. > Thanks, > Joe > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy."? > Spike Milligan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au Tue Dec 15 11:21:05 2009 From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:21:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New Topic: Hills Diesel Message-ID: Thanks Jerry Dumb me, I didnt think to Go Ogle on this one. Certainly is the same machine that was written up in "The Rudder". Were any or many ever built? Any out there still? With Thanks Teddy From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue Dec 15 14:12:28 2009 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:12:28 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Up-date on my accident Message-ID: <4B5E53FE2BD84A50AA690C29514774D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi guy's, Today I returned to hospital for my first check up after my recent accident, they took several x-rays (now I also glow in the dark like Dr Fero) after which I spent some time with the consultant who is really pleased with how things look at the moment. They showed me the x-rays and all I can say is what with the higher prices of scrap metal at the moment I have aprice on my head, there were 12 screws and 8 plates inserted to hold everything in place, these will be a Permanente feature so heres to no problems with airport security on my future trips. Cheers , Craig From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Dec 15 14:40:18 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:40:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Up-date on my accident In-Reply-To: <4B5E53FE2BD84A50AA690C29514774D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <4B5E53FE2BD84A50AA690C29514774D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <0d3b46d30bec8d3154ba5d76299066c8.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Craig, Is the embedded hardware titanium or stainless steel? You could really be worth some money! BTW, that "glow in the dark" thing? The gals LOVE that. Be sure to mention that you glow in the dark when you're chatting them up in the local pub and be sure to ask them if they'd like to see. Trust me on that one. 8->> See ya, Arnie PS - Glad that you're nicely on the mend!! PPS - Do your docs provide you with a card or something that explains that you're a walking hardware store? I'd hate to try and get past airport security with only a smile and a cheery "Trust Me" when all the alarms are buzzing and gonging. PPPS - OTOH, you might come to LIKE the body cavity searches... On Tue, December 15, 2009 5:12 pm, craig morrison wrote: > Today I returned to hospital for my first check up after my recent accident, > they took several x-rays (now I also glow in the dark like Dr Fero) after which > I spent some time with the consultant who is really pleased with how things look > at the moment. > They showed me the x-rays and all I can say is what with the higher prices of > scrap metal at the moment I have aprice on my head, there were 12 screws and 8 > plates inserted to hold everything in place, these will be a Permanente feature > so heres to no problems with airport security on my future trips. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Dec 15 14:45:00 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:45:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Up-date on my accident References: <4B5E53FE2BD84A50AA690C29514774D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <79717EBF49C045C58CF62536EDD8245B@regpc> Ha! You should see the CRAP I go through flying these days. "Tin knees? Naah! Ya got a bomb up yer bum!We know these things". Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:12 AM Subject: [SEL] Up-date on my accident > Hi guy's, > > Today I returned to hospital for my first check up after my recent > accident, they took several x-rays (now I also glow in the dark like Dr > Fero) after which I spent some time with the consultant who is really > pleased with how things look at the moment. > They showed me the x-rays and all I can say is what with the higher > prices of scrap metal at the moment I have aprice on my head, there were > 12 screws and 8 plates inserted to hold everything in place, these will be > a Permanente feature so heres to no problems with airport security on my > future trips. > > Cheers , Craig > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Dec 15 14:46:36 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:46:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Up-date on my accident References: <4B5E53FE2BD84A50AA690C29514774D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <0d3b46d30bec8d3154ba5d76299066c8.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <1738F3A189934F1AAD6CF221B8FC9F05@regpc> And you always let them feel your radioactive 'Core Sample' ?? Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Up-date on my accident > Hi Craig, > > Is the embedded hardware titanium or stainless steel? > You could really be worth some money! > > BTW, that "glow in the dark" thing? The gals LOVE that. Be sure to > mention that > you glow in the dark when you're chatting them up in the local pub and be > sure to > ask them if they'd like to see. Trust me on that one. 8->> > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Glad that you're nicely on the mend!! > > PPS - Do your docs provide you with a card or something that explains that > you're a > walking hardware store? I'd hate to try and get past airport security > with only a > smile and a cheery "Trust Me" when all the alarms are buzzing and gonging. > > PPPS - OTOH, you might come to LIKE the body cavity searches... > > On Tue, December 15, 2009 5:12 pm, craig morrison wrote: >> Today I returned to hospital for my first check up after my recent >> accident, >> they took several x-rays (now I also glow in the dark like Dr Fero) after >> which >> I spent some time with the consultant who is really pleased with how >> things look >> at the moment. >> They showed me the x-rays and all I can say is what with the higher >> prices of >> scrap metal at the moment I have aprice on my head, there were 12 screws >> and 8 >> plates inserted to hold everything in place, these will be a Permanente >> feature >> so heres to no problems with airport security on my future trips. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Dec 15 14:58:56 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:58:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Up-date on my accident In-Reply-To: <4B5E53FE2BD84A50AA690C29514774D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <4B5E53FE2BD84A50AA690C29514774D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: Hi Craig, I think they left out 4 screws! Should be 2 screws per plate. I think you just got a dose of our NEW Healthcare. Steve , there were 12 screws and 8 plates > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Tue Dec 15 15:21:58 2009 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 07:21:58 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Up-date on my accident In-Reply-To: <4B5E53FE2BD84A50AA690C29514774D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <4B5E53FE2BD84A50AA690C29514774D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <4B281A16.3000105@optusnet.com.au> craig morrison wrote: > Hi guy's, > > Today I returned to hospital for my first check up after my recent accident, they took several x-rays (now I also glow in the dark like Dr Fero) after which I spent some time with the consultant who is really pleased with how things look at the moment. > They showed me the x-rays and all I can say is what with the higher prices of scrap metal at the moment I have aprice on my head, there were 12 screws and 8 plates inserted to hold everything in place, these will be a Permanente feature so heres to no problems with airport security on my future trips. > > Cheers , Craig > Just be careful not to walk too close to your frig. If it's anything like our's, there are so many magnets on it that you'll clunk right onto it. Might cure your athritus, but . . . JW? From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 15 16:30:16 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:30:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Engine seen on a commercial? In-Reply-To: <4B281A16.3000105@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <401877.78217.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Really,,, Was?I seeing things that were not there???? What was that I just saw? ? It was a Mercedes commercial this morning. Just as the commercial came on the camera scanned across what appeared to be the valves and a cone shaped muffler on a hit-n-miss engine. At least that is what I think I saw. A rocker arm on?an exhaust?valve and a suck-open intake valve plus that cone shaped muffler sticking out there on a pipe. ? If you wait for a Mercedes commercial to come on you will miss it. It was so fast. ? Is there an old engine collector working for that advertising company? This was on the Weather Channel ? Alan in Michigan ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Dec 15 20:05:17 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:05:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Up-date on my accident References: <4B5E53FE2BD84A50AA690C29514774D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <007d01ca7e04$fa2de080$4d644b47@mikecomp> Glad you are on the mend. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: [SEL] Up-date on my accident > Hi guy's, > > Today I returned to hospital for my first check up after my recent > accident, they took several x-rays (now I also glow in the dark like Dr > Fero) after which I spent some time with the consultant who is really > pleased with how things look at the moment. > They showed me the x-rays and all I can say is what with the higher > prices of scrap metal at the moment I have aprice on my head, there were > 12 screws and 8 plates inserted to hold everything in place, these will be > a Permanente feature so heres to no problems with airport security on my > future trips. > > Cheers , Craig > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Dec 16 09:23:11 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:23:11 +0200 Subject: [SEL] New Topic: Hills Diesel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091216191959.0225dfb8@mail.atech.co.za> At 07:00 PM 16/12/2009, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:21:05 +1100 >From: "Ted & Sue Domeney" >Subject: [SEL] New Topic: Hills Diesel >To: >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Thanks Jerry >Dumb me, I didnt think to Go Ogle on this one. >Certainly is the same machine that was written up in "The Rudder". >Were any or many ever built? Any out there still? >With Thanks >Teddy Hi Ted, While Googling I did come across a few others - particularly a bigger one installed in a fishing boat so they were built. ISTR other engines using the same system but am still to much of a newbie in the game to remember names. Maybe someone else on the list can elaborate. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Dec 16 09:27:43 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:27:43 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 69, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091216192323.00ab3620@mail.atech.co.za> At 07:00 PM 16/12/2009, you wrote: >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:12:28 -0000 >From: "craig morrison" >Subject: [SEL] Up-date on my accident >To: >Message-ID: <4B5E53FE2BD84A50AA690C29514774D7 at OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi guy's, > > Today I returned to hospital for my first check up after my recent > accident, they took several x-rays (now I also glow in the dark like Dr > Fero) after which I spent some time with the consultant who is really > pleased with how things look at the moment. > They showed me the x-rays and all I can say is what with the higher > prices of scrap metal at the moment I have aprice on my head, there were > 12 screws and 8 plates inserted to hold everything in place, these will > be a Permanente feature so heres to no problems with airport security on > my future trips. > >Cheers , Craig Hi Craig and Reg (with those knees), My mate Neville also has stainless steel knee replacements and sometimes creaks in the morning. I always tease him that the doc forgot to add "grease nipples". Can you imagine "greasing up" your engine AND your knees at an engine show - what an exhibit!! Jokes aside, it's good to hear you are on the mend. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Dec 16 23:38:17 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:38:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Etched brass plates. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091217092432.01cd32b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Unfortunately I have had to increase my prices on etched brass plates. Considering that this is the first real increase in 5 years I do not feel it is unjustified. Currency fluctuations and increases in the cost of my materials have forced me to do this. The most popular size is the smaller plate and this has only gone up US$ 1.00. The largest size I make has gone up US$ 5.00. The prices are (old price in brackets) Up to 100mm x 60mm @ US$ 20.00 each plus postage. (was US$ 19.00) Up to 100mm x 120mm @ US$ 32.00 each plus postage. (was US$ 29.00) Up to 100mm x 145mm @ US$ 40.00 each plus postage. (was US$ 35.00) These prices are also published on my webpage: This will not affect any orders that I already have in hand - only new orders. I am busy etching another batch at present and should have all outstanding orders completed within a week. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From b2 at chooka.net Thu Dec 17 05:09:36 2009 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:09:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Etched brass plates. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091217092432.01cd32b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091217092432.01cd32b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <000901ca7f1a$2fec8f30$8fc5ad90$@net> A bargain at any price. I've bought a number of plates from Jerry and the workmanship is superb. Bill Brueck Chatfield, MN USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:38 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Etched brass plates. Hi All, Unfortunately I have had to increase my prices on etched brass plates. Considering that this is the first real increase in 5 years I do not feel it is unjustified. Currency fluctuations and increases in the cost of my materials have forced me to do this. The most popular size is the smaller plate and this has only gone up US$ 1.00. The largest size I make has gone up US$ 5.00. The prices are (old price in brackets) Up to 100mm x 60mm @ US$ 20.00 each plus postage. (was US$ 19.00) Up to 100mm x 120mm @ US$ 32.00 each plus postage. (was US$ 29.00) Up to 100mm x 145mm @ US$ 40.00 each plus postage. (was US$ 35.00) These prices are also published on my webpage: This will not affect any orders that I already have in hand - only new orders. I am busy etching another batch at present and should have all outstanding orders completed within a week. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Thu Dec 17 05:26:34 2009 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:26:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Locomotive for the Tod Engine Heritage Park References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091217092432.01cd32b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <000901ca7f1a$2fec8f30$8fc5ad90$@net> Message-ID: <046a01ca7f1c$8df29e60$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> A couple of days ago we moved a 70 ton locomotive to the Tod Engine Heritage Park. This locomotive was donated by Ellwood Engineered Castings in Hubbard, OH. It had been in service a mere 65 years! I worked for EEC in 1999-2000 and I've operated this locomotive many times. There are pictures and a link to a Youtube video here: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/showthread.php/locomotive-moved-tod-engine-194440.html Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Heritage Park 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 17 07:16:43 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:16:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Etched brass plates. In-Reply-To: <000901ca7f1a$2fec8f30$8fc5ad90$@net> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091217092432.01cd32b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <000901ca7f1a$2fec8f30$8fc5ad90$@net> Message-ID: HEAR!! HEAR!! Not only does Jerry do an EXCELLENT job of reproducing a manufacturer's plate; he is also FANTASTIC at creating a new plate in the vintage style. He did one for me for the "Fankhauser Engine Company" for an engine that my engine buddy, the late John Fankhauser, built. What a gorgeous tag. It is a very nice finishing touch for the engine. In fact, those of you who design and build model engines should have Jerry design and build "maker's plates" for your engines. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Thu, December 17, 2009 8:09 am, Bill Brueck wrote: > A bargain at any price. I've bought a number of plates from Jerry and the > workmanship is superb. From langer5 at sympatico.ca Thu Dec 17 07:57:46 2009 From: langer5 at sympatico.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:57:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Etched brass plates. References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091217092432.01cd32b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><000901ca7f1a$2fec8f30$8fc5ad90$@net> Message-ID: Jerry also made me some plates for a Canadian built engine. He made them from a photo of an original plate that I had. The results were fantastic,better than original. I was extremely happy with his work. Larry Anger 163926 Brownsville Rd. R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario Canada N4G 4G8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Etched brass plates. > HEAR!! HEAR!! Not only does Jerry do an EXCELLENT job of reproducing a > manufacturer's plate; he is also FANTASTIC at creating a new plate in the > vintage > style. He did one for me for the "Fankhauser Engine Company" for an > engine that my > engine buddy, the late John Fankhauser, built. What a gorgeous tag. It > is a very > nice finishing touch for the engine. > > In fact, those of you who design and build model engines should have Jerry > design > and build "maker's plates" for your engines. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, December 17, 2009 8:09 am, Bill Brueck wrote: >> A bargain at any price. I've bought a number of plates from Jerry and >> the >> workmanship is superb. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Dec 17 12:40:17 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 07:40:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Etched brass plates. References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091217092432.01cd32b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><000901ca7f1a$2fec8f30$8fc5ad90$@net> Message-ID: <92403C744F934C5195F109E115C6B792@regpc> I already do!! Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Etched brass plates. > HEAR!! HEAR!! Not only does Jerry do an EXCELLENT job of reproducing a > manufacturer's plate; he is also FANTASTIC at creating a new plate in the > vintage > style. He did one for me for the "Fankhauser Engine Company" for an > engine that my > engine buddy, the late John Fankhauser, built. What a gorgeous tag. It > is a very > nice finishing touch for the engine. > > In fact, those of you who design and build model engines should have Jerry > design > and build "maker's plates" for your engines. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, December 17, 2009 8:09 am, Bill Brueck wrote: >> A bargain at any price. I've bought a number of plates from Jerry and >> the >> workmanship is superb. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au Thu Dec 17 12:56:26 2009 From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Domeney Brothers) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 07:56:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New Topic: Hills Diesel Message-ID: <113D5DA42CF845EB93FE25462C521206@shed> Thanks Jerry, your comments and interest are very much appreciated. Teddy From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Dec 18 00:02:38 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:02:38 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 69, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091218095728.02391af0@mail.atech.co.za> At 07:00 PM 17/12/2009, you wrote: >Message: 7 >Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:57:46 -0500 >From: "Larry Anger" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Etched brass plates. > >Jerry also made me some plates for a Canadian built engine. He made them >from a photo of an original plate that I had. The results were >fantastic,better than original. I was extremely happy with his work. > >Larry Anger >163926 Brownsville Rd. >R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario >Canada N4G 4G8 >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Arnie Fero" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:16 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Etched brass plates. > > > > HEAR!! HEAR!! Not only does Jerry do an EXCELLENT job of reproducing a > > manufacturer's plate; he is also FANTASTIC at creating a new plate in the > > vintage > > style. He did one for me for the "Fankhauser Engine Company" for an > > engine that my > > engine buddy, the late John Fankhauser, built. What a gorgeous tag. It > > is a very > > nice finishing touch for the engine. > > > > In fact, those of you who design and build model engines should have Jerry > > design > > and build "maker's plates" for your engines. 8-)) > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > On Thu, December 17, 2009 8:09 am, Bill Brueck wrote: > >> A bargain at any price. I've bought a number of plates from Jerry and > >> the > >> workmanship is superb. Aawwww Geee Guys, You're making me blush :-) Thanks for all the nice comments - they are appreciated. I've enjoyed making plates for all of you. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Dec 18 16:25:24 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:25:24 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fm. plates In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091218092640.02396bc0@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091218223631.0482be78@mail.atech.co.za> Hi Jimmy, I did get your mail sent "Thurs, 17 Dec 2009 23:39:48 -0800" (this is our time zone - 19 minutes before "our midnight" - (I was already in bed and snoring) confirming that you wanted 3 plates. Then I got this rather sarcastic mail from you 11 hours later (Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:03:53 -0800 - again, "our time zone" - 10:03 am). I have mentioned to you previously that I do this as "part of the hobby" - IT IS NOT THE WAY I EARN MY LIVING!!! At 10:00am I am busy with my "Daytime Job". I usually only have a chance to respond to "hobby related" e-mail at night and then only if I've got enough "energy" left after the "Daytime Job". (Even then, it may take a few days). I usually do my very best to point this out to fellow collectors that - my service "stinks" - I KNOW - it is not a "business" and I've never offered "great service" - Not Ever! I refer you to a letter I sent you a few weeks ago: *****"Cut and Paste starts" ***** From: Jerry Evans [mailto:jerrye at databak.co.za] Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:55 PM To: Jim O'Hagan Subject: Re: Fm. plates At 08:08 PM 23/11/2009, you wrote: >Hi Jerry,Ive sent you two Emails asking for FM. Vertical plates with no >response from you? What did I say to piss you off? Jimmy Hi Jim, Please accept my apologies - I have a lot of e-mail needing responding to. You have not P-eed me off in any way and I feel very guilty that I have not responded yet. It's 11:45 pm here at the moment and I'm tired and want to go to bed but I'll do my best to explain anyway, As, I've always mentioned, making plates is "part of the hobby" - not my "daytime job". I have just been under a tremendous amount of pressure these last few weeks from both hobby and "daytime job" as well as other sources. Please read this page on my website (linked to my "plates" page) and you should be able to understand my situation: . The only reason that I have not yet responded to you is the following: I've made about 40 of these (big) FM plates in the last 6 months or so and have to admit that I'm losing money on them. I need to review my costs, time taken and everything else related to my cost of producing them. Since I started making plates (in 2005) my prices have not changed but I need some time to work out new prices due to the fact that "foreign exchange" rates have changed so much in the last few years. Please bear with me. I Just need to get a little time to work these things out. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: ****"Cut and Paste Ends" ***** Apart from what I mentioned in the letter, did you ever visit the link I provided? I cannot do more than this to explain my situation!!!!! I personally feel that I explained everything quite clearly in the above letter - not to mention the link to the webpage that I supplied. (it actually took time to write that "webpage"). O.K. I think that the above does explain my situation (again). Now to answer your comment that (cut & paste again) ******* With all due respect are you REALLY going to make them? Some of the guys tell me it's been over a year since they ordered some plates. ********* I challenge you to prove that "some of the guys" have waited over a year !! I (as mentioned above) do not offer lightning fast service but "over a year" is stretching the imagination to it's limits and a GROSS EXAGGERATION - probably the result of someone's over fertile imagination. (Could it be yours?). 3 to 6 months (after I've received a picture that I can use) is more like the truth!! Bear the following in mind regarding the Fairbanks Morse plates: i) In about September 2008 I had an enquiry from a local collector to make a plate for his "Jack of all Trades" (which actually turned out to be a "N" or a "T" - I cannot remember exactly but that is not important right now) but he had no sample to work from. ii) I wrote to the SEL and Oldengine e-mail lists asking for pics of the plate to copy. I got a few replies as well as a few pics (yours was one of them) but unfortunately nothing of a quality that I could use (I did reply to your post and explain - that was when you mentioned that your camera was antiquated - that your pics were of too a low resolution for me to use). I DO need a good high resolution picture to work from - as I ALWAYS mention). iii) Then another collector (No names - No pack-Drill but not a list member) supplied me a pic in March 2009. Although not perfect, I could work from this pic. iv) Now, if you read my linked webpage, you will notice that I do NOT charge for doing this "artwork", I do it as a service (or my contribution) to my fellow collectors. This in spite of the fact that artwork for a simple plate can easily take me 18 hours or more. (In the case of this "Fairbanks" plate, due to all the "patent dates" I probably spent more than 45 hours (of MY "spare time") - without charging anyone - remember that I DO NOT use modern "computer fonts" - I actually redraw each and every letter to match the original - but you already know that because you did follow the link to my webpage (didn't you) ?? v) I did the "artwork" for this person and submitted it to him and he approved it (the "artwork" always includes measurements). I did have a "strange feeling" that he approved it too readily (Looks good etc.) but went ahead and made and mailed him the plates anyway (my mistake). (10 plates @ US$ 35.00 each - quite lot of money to me!) (May I add that I started my working life off in the printing industry - proofs submitted and accepted are binding.) vi) Anyway, when he got the plates, he wrote back and said that the "hole centres did not align". Sorry - I made the plates to his approved sizes BUT, being the idiot that I am I agreed to re-make his plates!!!! I got "saddled" with a bunch of plates (actually, the pates did not worry me - the US& 350,00 did worry me) that had been approved by the buyer through his own lackadaisical attitude. I'm not mentioning any names here (I do not think he is a list member, but if he is then I'm sure that he will know who I am referring to!. He is probably the ONLY person who has had to wait more than 6 months for his order and I'm sure that you, AS A REASONABLE PERSON, can understand why. So Jimmy, if you wish to send me "sarcastic" e-mails then that's O.K. with me but please consider the facts before doing so. I really do not have the time to reply to mails like yours - this one, including the time taken to call up my "backups" to check my facts has taken me more than 4 hours - time that could be better spent doing artwork for more important stuff. If you would like to cancel your order that is fine with me - just let me know. Jerry. P.S. Re "Dave Traver's" plates and your "insuation" that "will you make them at the same time as Dave's plates". Dave's plates were made more than a month ago (as you well know) and I did write and let him know - I have not had a reply (but do not blame him - or Denny Luce whose e-mail he uses.) I, as mentioned often to you, only do this as part of the "hobby" and may be to blame that Dave's plates are still here but that does NOT justify your sarcasm. P.P.S Seeing as that you have chosen to put a sleight on my character I feel that I am totally justified in protecting myself and copying this mail to the S.E.L and Oldengine lists. You did mention, after all, that (and I "copy and Paste") "Some of the guys tell me it's been over a year since they ordered some plates . Are you going to make mine when you make Dave T's? May I ask that they or you provide some proof of your allegations! May I also point out that I do not have the time to reply to e-mails of the nature of yours but have made an exception in this case - only to protect myself. May I also remind you that I have NEVER promised "Lightning Fast" service to ANYONE !!!! (You did read the webpage didn't you!) Jerry, At 08:03 PM 18/12/2009, you wrote: >Hi Jerry, I'm just confirming that I'd like three[3] Fm. Vertical plates. >With all due respect are you REALLY going to make them? Some of the guys >tell me it's been over a year since they ordered some plates . Are you >going to make mine when you make Dave T's? He's wondering what happened to >his order. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. USA. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jerry Evans [mailto:jerrye at databak.co.za] >Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:28 PM >To: Jim O'Hagan >Subject: RE: Fm. plates > >O.K. Jim, > I'll wait for your mail. > Payment will go to a friend in the USA but only after you receive >the plates. >Jerry > >At 03:16 AM 18/12/2009, you wrote: > >Jerry, let me contact the other guy and see if he's still interested. >What's > >the easiest way to pay you? Jimmy > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jerry Evans [mailto:jerrye at databak.co.za] > >Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:23 PM > >To: Jim O'Hagan > >Subject: RE: Fm. plates > > > >At 01:11 AM 24/11/2009, you wrote: > > >Jerry when you figure it out, I'd like three Fm. Vertical plates. Jimmy > > > > > >Hello Jimmy, > > At last I have worked things out. I apologise for the time taken. > >As mentioned, I am forced to increase the price of these larger plates > >rather drastically. (Is US$ 5.00 drastic ??) > > > > The old price was US$ 35.00 each and I must increase this to US$ > >40.00 per plate plus postage which will come to less than US$ 4.00 for the > >3 plates. > > > > I do apologise for this increase but it is unavoidable. The >prices > >are also now on my webpage below. > > > > Let me know what you want - I am busy etching a batch of plates >at > >present so if you do want to go ahead with the order let me know and yours > >will be done soon. > > > >Keep the revs up (or down) > >Jerry Evans > >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 17 07:26:27 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:26:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Etched brass plates. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091217092432.01cd32b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: I still need to know how much to send to Ron for the four plates you made for me. As soon as I know, I'll cut a check and send it to him. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 01:38 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; > stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Etched brass plates. > > > Hi All, > Unfortunately I have had to increase my > prices on etched brass > plates. Considering that this is the first real > increase in 5 years I do > not feel it is unjustified. > Currency fluctuations and increases in > the cost of my materials > have forced me to do this. > > The most popular size is the smaller > plate and this has only gone > up US$ 1.00. > The largest size I make has gone up US$ 5.00. > > The prices are (old price in brackets) > > Up to 100mm x 60mm @ US$ 20.00 each plus postage. > (was US$ 19.00) > Up to 100mm x 120mm @ US$ 32.00 each plus > postage. (was US$ 29.00) > Up to 100mm x 145mm @ US$ 40.00 each plus > postage. (was US$ 35.00) > > These prices are also published on my webpage: > > > This will not affect any orders that I > already have in hand - only > new orders. > > I am busy etching another batch at > present and should have all > outstanding orders completed within a week. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Sat Dec 19 16:07:36 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:07:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] WTH are these channels about!!!!! Message-ID: <4B2D6AC8.5060602@telenet.net> For any folks who have Dish Network take a look at channel 125. Or channel 9645. Take a look and see what you think they REALLY are. NO they are not porno. -- Steve W. From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Sat Dec 19 16:36:52 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland ) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:36:52 +0000 Subject: [SEL] WTH are these channels about!!!!! Message-ID: What are you talking about all I see is comercials Tom Winland Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Steve W." Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:07:36 To: ; Subject: [SEL] WTH are these channels about!!!!! For any folks who have Dish Network take a look at channel 125. Or channel 9645. Take a look and see what you think they REALLY are. NO they are not porno. -- Steve W. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mathjr at optusnet.com.au Sat Dec 19 17:18:05 2009 From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (Renee Mathieson) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:18:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] 4 HP Mogul Message-ID: <365526A65DBF4AAD818D80FA9ED385C3@lightning> I am currently restoring a 4 HP Mogul portable. The wooden brake shoes are missing. I wonder if anyone can assist with a picture of the profile of one of these shoes? I think that the brake shoes on any of the larger Moguls would be the same shape. Thanks in advance. John Mathieson Australia. mathjr at optusnet.com.au -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 270.14.109/2567 - Release Date: 12/15/09 19:58:00 From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Dec 20 08:51:41 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:51:41 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. photocopier Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091220184712.00b1da68@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Sorry about the "Off Topic" but do we have any Photocopier techies on the lists who could help me sort out a problem with an old Sharp SF7370 photocopier. (Dave, if you are going to answer "Yes" - please supply contact details :-) - if your answer is "No" then thanks.) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Dec 20 13:50:10 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:50:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fm. plates In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091218223631.0482be78@mail.atech.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091218092640.02396bc0@mail.atech.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20091218223631.0482be78@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: <38ca4fc1ee12650adfd55280d705cc93.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Jerry, Not to worry mate. WE know who you are!! No matter how much you do for other folks in this or any hobby, there will always be SOMEONE for whom it just isn't enough; and THAT bastard will piss in your Wheaties every time. Just tell the sumbitch to sod off and go make his own tags. You really don't need that aggro. Keep smiling. The air's good for your teeth. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, December 18, 2009 7:25 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Jimmy, > I did get your mail sent "Thurs, 17 Dec 2009 23:39:48 -0800" (this > is our time zone - 19 minutes before "our midnight" - (I was already in bed > and snoring) confirming that you wanted 3 plates. Then I got this rather > sarcastic mail from you 11 hours later (Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:03:53 -0800 - > again, "our time zone" - 10:03 am). > > I have mentioned to you previously that I do this as "part of the > hobby" - IT IS NOT THE WAY I EARN MY LIVING!!! At 10:00am I am busy with my > "Daytime Job". I usually only have a chance to respond to "hobby related" > e-mail at night and then only if I've got enough "energy" left after the > "Daytime Job". (Even then, it may take a few days). > > I usually do my very best to point this out to fellow collectors > that - my service "stinks" - I KNOW - it is not a "business" and I've never > offered "great service" - Not Ever! I refer you to a letter I sent you a > few weeks ago: > From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Dec 20 15:47:44 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:47:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fm. plates In-Reply-To: <38ca4fc1ee12650adfd55280d705cc93.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Arnie: Excellent dental advice! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Arnie Fero > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 03:50 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fm. plates > ....................................Snippety-poo................................... > > Keep smiling. The air's good for your teeth. > > See ya, Arnie From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Dec 20 15:23:42 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:23:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fm. plates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Elden, but I can't take the credit. We had a morning talk radio host on KDKA in Pittsburgh named Jack Bogut. He was similar to Garrison Keillor with some of his stories. Anyway, that was one of his expressions and I've always really liked it. See ya, Arnie On Sun, December 20, 2009 6:47 pm, Elden DuRand wrote: > > Excellent dental advice! :-) > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Keep smiling. The air's good for your teeth. >> From gastzt at aol.com Sun Dec 20 17:08:09 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:08:09 EST Subject: [SEL] Fm. plates Message-ID: <114d7.57b3b573.38602479@aol.com> Arnie-- Just LOVE that one --for sure! Stan OldStovers, Pleasanton, Tx From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Dec 20 20:26:10 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:26:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Help Message-ID: <3A199D09B5474DCFB1C64A6E4BB0FCF6@regpc> Can someone please snd me, off list, Peg Pfeiffer's email and address . Smail Mail I sent has been returned. It got lost last crash of the puter. Thanks. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Dec 22 01:52:57 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:52:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] New Topic: Hills Diesel/revisit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091222114801.024f0e70@mail.atech.co.za> At 07:00 PM 17/12/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:21:05 +1100 > >From: "Ted & Sue Domeney" > >Subject: [SEL] New Topic: Hills Diesel > > >Thanks Jerry > > >With Thanks > >Teddy > >Hi Ted, ISTR other engines using the same system but am still to much of a >newbie in the game to remember names. > Maybe someone else on the list can elaborate. >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans Hi Ted, The other engine I was thinking about that used this system was the Tilling Stevens TS3 engine used in Commer trucks. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au Tue Dec 22 23:54:01 2009 From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:54:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New Topic Hills Diesel/revisit Message-ID: <9B7BBA50C34C403FA1E58071D08C1D7E@HOUSE> Hi there Jerry Yes, you are correct the Tillings Stevens engine seems almost identical = to the Hill Diesel. I have one sitting here waiting to be set up on a base.(TS3 that is) The other engine maker that built "headless" engines (opposed piston = engines) was the German company Junkers, but they were a vertical design = not horizontal. One piston works conventionally from the crankshaft, but = the other comes down from the top and this gives a compression point = halfway up the cylinder. The top piston is connected by two straps or = rods to the crankshaft. Always pleased to hear of other variations and other makers of these = interesting 2 stroke diesels.=20 Thanks again Jerry. May I wish you and your family and all other readers a happy Christmas = and a safe and healthy 2010. Teddy From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Dec 23 09:50:16 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:50:16 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091223193557.023935a8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Everyone, In about 13 hours Christmas Day will begin (at the International Date Line) so I suppose it's that time to wish all my mates on the lists A very Happy Christmas. I'll be thinking of many of you as the time zones change. First will be our mates in New Zealand followed a few hours later the the Aussies then us in darkest Africa, Europe, Britain then the USA and finally, one of the last will be Oom Bill-san in Japan. Thanks again Guys and Gals of the lists for another year of friendship, cameraderie and help. A special thought also to those of you who have family on duty in the Armed Forces, Emergency Services and any other "service" that means that they will give up their time to look after us and make the world a better and safer place for the rest of us. Thanks to all of them - they are appreciated. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Dec 23 11:06:46 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:06:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all / gotcha all !! Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091223210324.02355a48@mail.cyberserv.co.za> O.K., You've all had time to spot my intentional mistake :-) Oom Bill-san will actually celebrate at about the same time as the Aussies - just checking to see who was actually paying attention. :-) Actually Jacqui picked it up and also asked me to send her wishes. Jerry Hi Everyone, In about 13 hours Christmas Day will begin (at the International Date Line) so I suppose it's that time to wish all my mates on the lists A very Happy Christmas. I'll be thinking of many of you as the time zones change. First will be our mates in New Zealand followed a few hours later the the Aussies then us in darkest Africa, Europe, Britain then the USA and finally, one of the last will be Oom Bill-san in Japan. Thanks again Guys and Gals of the lists for another year of friendship, cameraderie and help. A special thought also to those of you who have family on duty in the Armed Forces, Emergency Services and any other "service" that means that they will give up their time to look after us and make the world a better and safer place for the rest of us. Thanks to all of them - they are appreciated. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Wed Dec 23 16:36:12 2009 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:36:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091223193557.023935a8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Merry Christmas to you all from sunny Sydney. This time last year we were in northern England freezing now we are roasting at home! I hope all of you are having a great Christmas and are looking forward to a great New Year. I will even fire something up for the New Year as we will actually be at home (or not far from it). All the best, Patrick & Ann (and Petra). Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Dec 23 21:38:07 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:38:07 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Engine History. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's really cool. Hopefully, there will be a YouTube archive so a future owner can view your video on December 23, 2109. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:22 PM, Brian Watts wrote: > > > > From: Brian Watts > > Sent: December 23, 2009 11:26 AM > Subject: Blackstone Engine History. > > While tracing our first "Blackstone" Engine history I was contacted > this week by a woman who told me her father owned our eng. in c. > 1940, she also had names of the two previous owners and new what the > eng. was used for and gave us a photo of eng taken c.1927. > We now know of the seven owners and that the eng. stayed in one > area for 100yrs. > A video was made today 23.12.2009 of No.78862 on it`s > 100yr.anniversary,can be seen on youtube. > Video at. > http://www.youtube.com/user/brianvwatts#p/u > Brian Watts > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > (03) 97266147 > > David Watts > (03) 87616332 > damewatt at bigpond.com.au > > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 24 00:01:10 2009 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:01:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Engine History. Message-ID: <3B0E256EAB36425BABE7073E03FE76D0@bd32d875216e74> ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Watts To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Cc: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 4:22 PM Subject: Blackstone Engine History. From: Brian Watts Sent: December 23, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: Blackstone Engine History. While tracing our first "Blackstone" Engine history I was contacted this week by a woman who told me her father owned our eng. in c.1940, she also had names of the two previous owners and new what the eng. was used for and gave us a photo of eng taken c.1927. We now know of the seven owners and that the eng. stayed in one area for 100yrs. A video was made today 23.12.2009 of No.78862 on it`s 100yr.anniversary,can be seen on youtube. Video at. http://www.youtube.com/user/brianvwatts#p/u Brian Watts briwatt at optusnet.com.au (03) 97266147 David Watts (03) 87616332 damewatt at bigpond.com.au From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 24 06:50:30 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:50:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Engine History. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Rob, As a good "mind-stretching" exercise, think about how information was captured and shared when this Blackie was "born", compare that to today, and then speculate on information sharing in 2109. BTW, this exercise works best after ingesting your favorite mind-altering chemicals. 8-)) See ya, Anrie On Thu, December 24, 2009 12:38 am, Rob Skinner wrote: > That's really cool. Hopefully, there will be a YouTube archive so a > future owner can view your video on December 23, 2109. > > > On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:22 PM, Brian Watts wrote: > >> >> Sent: December 23, 2009 11:26 AM >> Subject: Blackstone Engine History. >> >> While tracing our first "Blackstone" Engine history I was contacted >> this week by a woman who told me her father owned our eng. in c. >> 1940, she also had names of the two previous owners and new what the >> eng. was used for and gave us a photo of eng taken c.1927. >> We now know of the seven owners and that the eng. stayed in one >> area for 100yrs. >> A video was made today 23.12.2009 of No.78862 on it`s >> 100yr.anniversary,can be seen on youtube. >> Video at. >> http://www.youtube.com/user/brianvwatts#p/u From avanti_64 at juno.com Thu Dec 24 07:08:17 2009 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:08:17 GMT Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all Message-ID: <20091224.100817.6704.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Merry Christmas to all from snowy and cold Maine! (Actually I have seen a lot worse than we have had so far this Winter!) I have only plowed the driveway once... Joe ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=tr56B-zK1kEK6ieCruo6RAAAJz2D7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Dec 24 07:42:13 2009 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:42:13 GMT Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all Message-ID: <20091224.104213.18122.4@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Hello List, I trued to send out a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone on the SEL but I got a message telling me that I am not a member. Merry Christmas to you to, Who-ever you are. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Poor is the nation having no heroes, (_o_) Shameful is the one having them that forgets." ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "avanti_64 at juno.com" To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:08:17 GMT Merry Christmas to all from snowy and cold Maine! (Actually I have seen a lot worse than we have had so far this Winter!) I have only plowed the driveway once... Joe ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=tr56B-zK1kEK6ieCruo6RAAAJz2D7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 24 09:51:37 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:51:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all In-Reply-To: <20091224.104213.18122.4@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091224.104213.18122.4@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <1cf5ed997503ca8532b022b6a8f1bb5e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> We still luv ya Joe; no matter WHAT Spencer sez about ya! Merry Christmas back atcha. And give that lovely lady you sleep with a big Christmas kiss from me wouldja? See ya, Arnie On Thu, December 24, 2009 10:42 am, jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Hello List, > I trued to send out a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone on the SEL but > I got a message telling me that I am not a member. > Merry Christmas to you to, Who-ever you are. > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Dec 24 10:27:10 2009 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:27:10 GMT Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all Message-ID: <20091224.132710.13562.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Thanks Arnie, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Poor is the nation having no heroes, (_o_) Shameful is the one having them that forgets." ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:51:37 -0500 (EST) We still luv ya Joe; no matter WHAT Spencer sez about ya! Merry Christmas back atcha. And give that lovely lady you sleep with a big Christmas kiss from me wouldja? See ya, Arnie On Thu, December 24, 2009 10:42 am, jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Hello List, > I trued to send out a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone on the SEL but > I got a message telling me that I am not a member. > Merry Christmas to you to, Who-ever you are. > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=dw37oswfzsCAglC658X3xgAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUQAAAAA= From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Dec 24 13:41:55 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:41:55 EST Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all Message-ID: Merry Christmas to everyone from central Virginia where 14 inches of wet snow fell last weekend which tried to take down our metal roof over the back deck, and presently being held up with additional bracing off the deck. Tom and Millie Schmutz From langer5 at sympatico.ca Thu Dec 24 13:59:55 2009 From: langer5 at sympatico.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:59:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Message-ID: Hope everyone has a Blessed Christmas and Healthy, Happy 2010 >From very Green Southern Ontario. Santa won't have any snow for his sleigh this year. Larry Anger 163926 Brownsville Rd. R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario Canada N4G 4G8 From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 24 15:02:18 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:02:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmasl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Merry Christmas to all of you non-Politically Correct List Folks! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Dec 24 15:08:37 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:08:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas and Happy New Year References: Message-ID: <001501ca84ee$06695650$4d644b47@mikecomp> Merry Christmas from Shelby, NC!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Anger" To: Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas and Happy New Year > Hope everyone has a Blessed Christmas and Healthy, Happy 2010 > >>From very Green Southern Ontario. Santa won't have any snow for his sleigh >>this year. > > Larry Anger > 163926 Brownsville Rd. > R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario > Canada N4G 4G8 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Twowhistle at aol.com Thu Dec 24 15:23:07 2009 From: Twowhistle at aol.com (Twowhistle at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:23:07 EST Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all Message-ID: Merry Christmas from Cape Cod. 18 inches of snow last storm. Ho Ho Ho. Steve Healy From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Thu Dec 24 15:33:54 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland ) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:33:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all Message-ID: Merry Christmas from Ohio Tom Winland Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Twowhistle at aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:23:07 To: Subject: Re: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all Merry Christmas from Cape Cod.? 18 inches of snow last storm.? Ho? Ho Ho. Steve Healy _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 24 15:46:38 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:46:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F9A189A48324C9EB753226A63B8575F@KerryPC> And a Great and Safe Christmas and 2010 to all from Down Under, 10.45am and just starting to rain Kerry & Ruth From jneth3 at mac.com Thu Dec 24 15:59:29 2009 From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:59:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas Message-ID: <10F4817F-18BF-4159-B274-22D317CE277D@mac.com> Merry Christmas to all from upper east Tennessee. Sent from my iPhone From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Thu Dec 24 16:27:13 2009 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:27:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all In-Reply-To: <1F9A189A48324C9EB753226A63B8575F@KerryPC> Message-ID: We are down in Yass and it has been pouring here since 3am. It has been really needed as it is really scorched earth down here. Thankfully it hoses down any risk of fire so the fire fighters can enjoy their Christmas. Merry Christmas, Patrick, Ann & Petra On 25/12/09 10:46 AM, "Kerry" wrote: > And a Great and Safe Christmas and 2010 to all from Down Under, 10.45am and > just starting to rain > > Kerry & Ruth > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From alanwh at iinet.net.au Thu Dec 24 16:35:43 2009 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan Wheaton) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:35:43 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all In-Reply-To: References: <1F9A189A48324C9EB753226A63B8575F@KerryPC> Message-ID: We also enjoyed about 55mm it was good but looks like it is all gone All the best from the group in Wagga Wagga Alan & Ruth We are down in Yass and it has been pouring here since 3am. It has been really needed as it is really scorched earth down here. Thankfully it hoses down any risk of fire so the fire fighters can enjoy their Christmas. Merry Christmas, Patrick, Ann & Petra On 25/12/09 10:46 AM, "Kerry" wrote: > And a Great and Safe Christmas and 2010 to all from Down Under, 10.45am and > just starting to rain > > Kerry & Ruth > > _______________________________________________ From nancydick at pennswoods.net Thu Dec 24 19:35:56 2009 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:35:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <4b340905.9753f10a.1e7b.ffff89e5@mx.google.com> Merry Christmas to one and all. a great new year in 2010 R Fink From gastzt at aol.com Thu Dec 24 16:44:38 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:44:38 EST Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all Message-ID: In a message dated 12/24/2009 6:35:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html Kerry---- glad you getting that rain! I love your website---especially the gaurd doggy! LOL---- great job! Merry Christmas to both of you! Stan Zettner Old Stovers Pleasanton, Tx USA From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 24 18:06:51 2009 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurSouthwell) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:06:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Season's Greetings Message-ID: MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE! ARTHUR & DEANA Arthur Southwell Arcadia, FL 34266 USA asouth42 at embarqmail.com Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, FL 34266 USA asouth42 at embarqmail.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 25 16:45:36 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 16:45:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Lake Forest show pics. In-Reply-To: <20091208.214817.19009.91882@mailpop01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <667511.46073.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ron, That sure looks like a fun little show. Good crowds make for a great time. I would love to have a show like that here for my two hole corn sheller. People just love to feed it. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 12/9/09, rdhaskell wrote: From: rdhaskell Subject: [SEL] Lake Forest show pics. To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com, stationary-engine at oldengine.org Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:47 AM Hi all.? Last Saturday my local club (WAPA) was invited again to display at the Lake Forest Victorian Christmas open house. Cool overcast day but a good crowd and lots of fun. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/LakeForest2009# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Water Heater Some like it hot. Click now for a reliable new water heater! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=gzagS2u5xJWQouwdEoWP3gAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGIAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jnyost at yahoo.com Fri Dec 25 17:19:00 2009 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:19:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] SEL Season's Greetings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <787529.79258.qm@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year from Utica, Ohio Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sat Dec 26 00:23:32 2009 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:23:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents Message-ID: So did everyone get something great for Christmas. We had a very wet Christmas visiting my family but my fianc?, Ann, gave me the complete Gas Engine Magazine Archive on CD (four disks which will keep me occupied for a while)! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From old_iron at msn.com Sat Dec 26 11:38:18 2009 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:38:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Merry Christmas and We wish eveyone a Happy Healthy SAFE New Year. Peg & Bill Pfeiffer Snowy Rolling Meadows, IL > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 26 11:59:22 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:59:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <440049.58115.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nice one Patrick, Marry that gal she is a keeper. 8>))) I have had a set of those disks for quite a long time. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Sat, 12/26/09, Patrick Livingstone wrote: From: Patrick Livingstone Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine" Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 3:23 AM So did everyone get something great for Christmas. We had a very wet Christmas visiting my family but my fianc?, Ann, gave me the complete Gas Engine Magazine Archive on CD (four disks which will keep me occupied for a while)! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Dec 26 16:23:58 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:23:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] I gave up on the Hvid! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909811E16@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Gang: After getting the Homebrew Hvid engine running optimally, I have come to the conclusion that it is just too small (2" bore X 4" stroke, 12 cubic inches) to avoid heat quenching issues. Although it started fairly easily and ran reasonably well, it smoked a lot and made minimal power. After some thought, I've converted it to spark ignition and naphtha fuel. This involved making another head, mixer, etc. It ran for the first time today. You can see the saga on my web page. Oh, yes - I've saved all the Hvid parts so, if I get nostalgic for the smell of Diesel clag, I can take a couple of hours and convert it back to Hvid. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Dec 27 06:23:57 2009 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:23:57 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Interesting site for a cold day Message-ID: <43D9693AE1944A05B645A7A08235E84B@zen> I lost my computer over Christmas and when I managed to re-load it I found that I had lost one of my favourite interesting sites. After several hours of searching I managed to get back to it and found that it had improved a lot from the last time I visited the site. It is a non existent museum in Wolverhampton in the English Midlands and when you click on the doors to enter you can wander about covering a wide range of industrial and trade subjects including Engines, vehicles, Motorcycles,electrical and many other interesting subjects. Ideal to pass time on a bad weather day. See http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/Museum/museum.htm -- Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From gastzt at aol.com Sun Dec 27 07:35:58 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:35:58 EST Subject: [SEL] Interesting site for a cold day Message-ID: In a message dated 12/27/2009 9:05:13 A.M. Central Standard Time, dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes: http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/Museum/museum.htm WOW! Did not know the ol' train was THAT old--! Great stuff---and thanks sooo much! Stan Old Stovers bunch! Pleasanton, Tx From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Mon Dec 28 09:40:26 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:40:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents In-Reply-To: <440049.58115.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: , <440049.58115.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Here's my Christmas present, it was finished just a couple days before Christmas :) http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Barn.html Tom Winland Ohio > Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:59:22 -0800 > From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > Nice one Patrick, > Marry that gal she is a keeper. 8>))) > I have had a set of those disks for quite a long time. > > Alan in Michigan > > --- On Sat, 12/26/09, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > > > From: Patrick Livingstone > Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents > To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine" > Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 3:23 AM > > > So did everyone get something great for Christmas. > We had a very wet Christmas visiting my family but my fianc?, Ann, gave me > the complete Gas Engine Magazine Archive on CD (four disks which will keep > me occupied for a while)! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 28 10:42:08 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:42:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents In-Reply-To: References: , <440049.58115.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1e4c3894565c97c0263586cec236769e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Tom, WAY kewl! SOOOO much room. You NEED more engines. 8-)) Will you have heat out there? See ya, Arnie On Mon, December 28, 2009 12:40 pm, Tom Winland wrote: > > Here's my Christmas present, it was finished just a > couple days before Christmas :) > http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Barn.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 28 10:43:47 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:43:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents In-Reply-To: References: , <440049.58115.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <326c6e3f36ed48f1fadab72814483354.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Tom, WAY kewl! SOOOO much room. You NEED more engines. 8-)) Will you have heat out there? See ya, Arnie On Mon, December 28, 2009 12:40 pm, Tom Winland wrote: > > Here's my Christmas present, it was finished just a > couple days before Christmas :) > http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Barn.html From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Mon Dec 28 10:46:31 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:46:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents In-Reply-To: <1e4c3894565c97c0263586cec236769e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: , , <440049.58115.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , <1e4c3894565c97c0263586cec236769e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: lol, I have enough engines to fill that building already, just haven't had time to move them yet and it's also been to wet to get the forklift to the building. Tom > Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:42:08 -0500 > From: fero_ah at city-net.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > Tom, > > WAY kewl! SOOOO much room. You NEED more engines. 8-)) > Will you have heat out there? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, December 28, 2009 12:40 pm, Tom Winland wrote: > > > > Here's my Christmas present, it was finished just a > > couple days before Christmas :) > > http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Barn.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ From germoamer at aol.com Mon Dec 28 13:51:26 2009 From: germoamer at aol.com (germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:51:26 EST Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents Message-ID: Now that is a nice Christmas present! Going to put OSB part way up the walls to protect the insulation? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Mon Dec 28 14:04:57 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:04:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: there isn't any insulation in the walls yet, only in the ceiling so far, maybe next year I'll have heat in it :) > From: germoamer at aol.com > Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:51:26 -0500 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > Now that is a nice Christmas present! > > Going to put OSB part way up the walls to protect the insulation? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ From clemsweller at etczone.com Tue Dec 29 03:44:53 2009 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:44:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200912290645296.SM2555157@ChuckDesktopPC> Tom, >From the pictures, it is obvious that you now need to buy more engines to fill that sucker up! Nice building! Chuck Emsweller Indiana -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 12:40 PM To: SEL list Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents Here's my Christmas present, it was finished just a couple days before Christmas :) http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Barn.html Tom Winland Ohio > Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:59:22 -0800 > From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > Nice one Patrick, > Marry that gal she is a keeper. 8>))) > I have had a set of those disks for quite a long time. > > Alan in Michigan > > --- On Sat, 12/26/09, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > > > From: Patrick Livingstone > Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents > To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine" > Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 3:23 AM > > > So did everyone get something great for Christmas. > We had a very wet Christmas visiting my family but my fianc?, Ann, gave me > the complete Gas Engine Magazine Archive on CD (four disks which will keep > me occupied for a while)! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Tue Dec 29 05:43:58 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:43:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents In-Reply-To: <200912290645296.SM2555157@ChuckDesktopPC> References: , <200912290645296.SM2555157@ChuckDesktopPC> Message-ID: Chuck, anyone who has seen my collection knows that I already own enough to fill the new building, it's just a matter of time before I get them all moved to it. :) Right now most of my engines are kept at the family farm and I'm sure my dad will be happy when they leave because he'll have room to put his farm equipment again lol Tom > From: clemsweller at etczone.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:44:53 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > Tom, > > >From the pictures, it is obvious that you now need to buy more engines to > fill that sucker up! > > Nice building! > > Chuck Emsweller > Indiana > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 12:40 PM > To: SEL list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > > Here's my Christmas present, it was finished just a couple days before > Christmas :) > > > > http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Barn.html > > > > Tom Winland > > Ohio > > > Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:59:22 -0800 > > From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > > > Nice one Patrick, > > Marry that gal she is a keeper. 8>))) > > I have had a set of those disks for quite a long time. > > > > Alan in Michigan > > > > --- On Sat, 12/26/09, Patrick Livingstone > wrote: > > > > > > From: Patrick Livingstone > > Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine" > > > Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 3:23 AM > > > > > > So did everyone get something great for Christmas. > > We had a very wet Christmas visiting my family but my fianc?, Ann, gave me > > the complete Gas Engine Magazine Archive on CD (four disks which will keep > > me occupied for a while)! > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > > Leichhardt NSW > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ From clemsweller at etczone.com Tue Dec 29 15:09:17 2009 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:09:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200912291809235.SM2598221@ChuckDesktopPC> I know the feeling. Dad built a 30x40 three years ago to keep our engines. It is full to the brim. I am in pro0cess of putting up a 30x50 to catch the overflow and maybe an old car or two. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:44 AM To: SEL list Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents Chuck, anyone who has seen my collection knows that I already own enough to fill the new building, it's just a matter of time before I get them all moved to it. :) Right now most of my engines are kept at the family farm and I'm sure my dad will be happy when they leave because he'll have room to put his farm equipment again lol Tom > From: clemsweller at etczone.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:44:53 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > Tom, > > >From the pictures, it is obvious that you now need to buy more engines to > fill that sucker up! > > Nice building! > > Chuck Emsweller > Indiana > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 12:40 PM > To: SEL list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > > Here's my Christmas present, it was finished just a couple days before > Christmas :) > > > > http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Barn.html > > > > Tom Winland > > Ohio > > > Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:59:22 -0800 > > From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > > > Nice one Patrick, > > Marry that gal she is a keeper. 8>))) > > I have had a set of those disks for quite a long time. > > > > Alan in Michigan > > > > --- On Sat, 12/26/09, Patrick Livingstone > wrote: > > > > > > From: Patrick Livingstone > > Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine" > > > Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 3:23 AM > > > > > > So did everyone get something great for Christmas. > > We had a very wet Christmas visiting my family but my fianc?, Ann, gave me > > the complete Gas Engine Magazine Archive on CD (four disks which will keep > > me occupied for a while)! > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > > Leichhardt NSW > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 30 10:15:48 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:15:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) Message-ID: <7d0006d314d17d8ae92e75c8d4424566.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, The beauty of cordless tools is that they're, well..., cordless. Duh... However, sometimes, you would really like to plug the sumbitch into a wall socket for long, heavy-duty running. Clearly, one solution is to buy double tools. Not elegant, but gets it done. I'm not the first bloke to express this need. http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16762 I did run across this 24v AC/DC adapter for DeWalt. http://www.dewalt.com/us/articles/article_cordless.asp?Site=cordless&ID=194 And then there's the Robopak... (seriously pricy) http://www.aircraftdynamics.com/165.htm?parentid=79 Probably cheaper to buy double tools. Does anyone know of an 18v AC/DC adapter that would fit the DeWalt line of tools and plug into a wall socket? Thanks! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Dec 30 10:25:32 2009 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:25:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) References: <7d0006d314d17d8ae92e75c8d4424566.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <8A7F4460739045DA82B2F402A3213762@Ed> Hi Arnie, When the 12 Volt battery on my drill went dead, I removed the cells and hooked up a red and a black wire with battery clips on the other end and use a 12 Volt tractor battery. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Arnie Fero To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org ; slick at toltbbs.com ; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:15 PM Subject: Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) Hi Folks, The beauty of cordless tools is that they're, well..., cordless. Duh... However, sometimes, you would really like to plug the sumbitch into a wall socket for long, heavy-duty running. Clearly, one solution is to buy double tools. Not elegant, but gets it done. I'm not the first bloke to express this need. http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16762 I did run across this 24v AC/DC adapter for DeWalt. http://www.dewalt.com/us/articles/article_cordless.asp?Site=cordless&ID=194 And then there's the Robopak... (seriously pricy) http://www.aircraftdynamics.com/165.htm?parentid=79 Probably cheaper to buy double tools. Does anyone know of an 18v AC/DC adapter that would fit the DeWalt line of tools and plug into a wall socket? Thanks! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rotigel at me.com Wed Dec 30 13:08:02 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:08:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) In-Reply-To: <8A7F4460739045DA82B2F402A3213762@Ed> References: <7d0006d314d17d8ae92e75c8d4424566.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <8A7F4460739045DA82B2F402A3213762@Ed> Message-ID: <37498000-C33F-4AAA-8D20-2C4A2DA227A3@me.com> Hi Ed, So a PERFECT solution to Arnie's "problem" would be for him to: 1.) Buy a tractor, 2.) Connect his battery charger to the (new) tractor battery and plug it into 110v, 2.a) Or simply start the (new) tractor and set the tractor to HIGH idle 3.) Hook up the wires as you explained and, 4.) DRILL ALL DAY! Dave PS, Sounds like an engineers solution to me! (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9TPMIfY5GU) PPS, Have you heard about the two engineers standing at a stop light in Oakland? ( Hint: One of them had a new bicycle!) On Dec 30, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Ed stoller wrote: > Hi Arnie, > > When the 12 Volt battery on my drill went dead, I removed the cells > and hooked up a red and a black wire with battery clips on the other > end and use a 12 Volt tractor battery. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Arnie Fero > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org ; slick at toltbbs.com ; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:15 PM > Subject: Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) > > > Hi Folks, > > The beauty of cordless tools is that they're, well..., cordless. > Duh... > > However, sometimes, you would really like to plug the sumbitch > into a wall socket for long, heavy-duty running. > > Clearly, one solution is to buy double tools. Not elegant, but > gets it done. > > I'm not the first bloke to express this need. > http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16762 > > I did run across this 24v AC/DC adapter for DeWalt. > http://www.dewalt.com/us/articles/article_cordless.asp?Site=cordless&ID=194 > > And then there's the Robopak... (seriously pricy) > http://www.aircraftdynamics.com/165.htm?parentid=79 > Probably cheaper to buy double tools. > > Does anyone know of an 18v AC/DC adapter that would fit the > DeWalt line of tools and plug into a wall socket? > > Thanks! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Dec 30 14:17:37 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:17:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) In-Reply-To: <37498000-C33F-4AAA-8D20-2C4A2DA227A3@me.com> References: <7d0006d314d17d8ae92e75c8d4424566.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <8A7F4460739045DA82B2F402A3213762@Ed> <37498000-C33F-4AAA-8D20-2C4A2DA227A3@me.com> Message-ID: <4405.165.206.180.130.1262211457.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> How about a Mr. Fission? > Hi Ed, > So a PERFECT solution to Arnie's "problem" would be for him to: > 1.) Buy a tractor, > 2.) Connect his battery charger to the (new) tractor battery and > plug it into 110v, > 2.a) Or simply start the (new) tractor and set the tractor to HIGH > idle > 3.) Hook up the wires as you explained and, > 4.) DRILL ALL DAY! > Dave > PS, Sounds like an engineers solution to me! (See: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9TPMIfY5GU) > PPS, Have you heard about the two engineers standing at a stop light > in Oakland? ( Hint: One of them had a new bicycle!) > > On Dec 30, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Ed stoller wrote: > >> Hi Arnie, >> >> When the 12 Volt battery on my drill went dead, I removed the cells >> and hooked up a red and a black wire with battery clips on the other >> end and use a 12 Volt tractor battery. >> >> Ed Stoller >> New Fairfield, CT >> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Arnie Fero >> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org ; slick at toltbbs.com ; >> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:15 PM >> Subject: Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) >> >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> The beauty of cordless tools is that they're, well..., cordless. >> Duh... >> >> However, sometimes, you would really like to plug the sumbitch >> into a wall socket for long, heavy-duty running. >> >> Clearly, one solution is to buy double tools. Not elegant, but >> gets it done. >> >> I'm not the first bloke to express this need. >> http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16762 >> >> I did run across this 24v AC/DC adapter for DeWalt. >> http://www.dewalt.com/us/articles/article_cordless.asp?Site=cordless&ID=194 >> >> And then there's the Robopak... (seriously pricy) >> http://www.aircraftdynamics.com/165.htm?parentid=79 >> Probably cheaper to buy double tools. >> >> Does anyone know of an 18v AC/DC adapter that would fit the >> DeWalt line of tools and plug into a wall socket? >> >> Thanks! >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> Arnie Fero >> Pittsburgh, PA >> fero_ah at city-net.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From germoamer at aol.com Wed Dec 30 16:55:56 2009 From: germoamer at aol.com (germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:55:56 EST Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) Message-ID: <5210.14482964.386d509c@aol.com> Arnie, Do not know of any adapters for the DeWalts. But winter has set in and good time for OT's. I have a bunch of DeWalt tools and seem to have better luck with the life of 12 volt batteries lasting longer than 18 volt. I have had 12 volt batteries last for years and for some reason the 18 volts do not last any time. Some in less than a year. The best luck I ever had was with a 15 volt Craftsman drill. The batteries lasted for 7 years before going bad. If you take them to a battery rebuilder, they want 3/4 the price of new batteries. And if you catch the 2-pack 18 volt on sale can buy new ones cheaper than rebuilds. Probably would be a smart idea to learn to rebuild them myself! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 31 02:54:08 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:54:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) In-Reply-To: <5210.14482964.386d509c@aol.com> Message-ID: <780032.7875.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Interesting, In March I bought a Ridgid 18 Volt kit with the bag,?drill, sawzall and a nice little radio that has a cord to plug into my MP3 player. It came with two 18 Volt Lithium Ion batteries and one other very sweet accessory,,, The whole kit is guaranteed for life. Even the batteries. That drill is powerfuf!!!! The batteries are full power right up to the point where they give a little click sound and shut off.?? It takes a simple 20 minutes to charge them up again. ? I made a trip into Home Despot for the company I work for and just happened to see a sale on this kit. Bag and all the price was $199.00. The last time I was in there the drill with one battery and a charger was $249.99 and was only guaranteed for three years. Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 12/30/09, germoamer at aol.com wrote: From: germoamer at aol.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 7:55 PM Arnie, Do not know of any adapters for the DeWalts.? But winter has set in? and good time for OT's.? I have a bunch of DeWalt tools and seem to have? better luck with the life of 12 volt batteries lasting longer than 18? volt.? I have had 12 volt batteries last for years and for some reason the? 18 volts do not last any time. Some in less than a year. The best luck? I ever had was with a 15 volt Craftsman drill.? The batteries lasted for 7? years before going bad.? If you take them to a battery rebuilder, they want? 3/4 the price of new batteries. And if you catch the 2-pack 18 volt on sale can? buy new ones cheaper than rebuilds.? Probably would be a smart idea to? learn to rebuild them myself!? Tom? Schmutz Concord,? Va. germoamer at AOL.com _______________________________________________ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Dec 31 03:37:28 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:37:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) References: <780032.7875.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <84580EC4150440789582DDF199C4B596@regpc> Having followed this thread, and having cordless stuff with stuffed batteries, I am thinking of re building some battery packs with Lithium Ion replacements. Anyone done this yet? Any clues will be most welcome. I have drills, etc. that are in perfect working order and he battery packs are shot. A real shame to throw out the lot. I am sure there are 1000s of similar all over. Perhaps a new business venture for some aspiring bloke? Happy new year to ALL of you. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) Interesting, In March I bought a Ridgid 18 Volt kit with the bag, drill, sawzall and a nice little radio that has a cord to plug into my MP3 player. It came with two 18 Volt Lithium Ion batteries and one other very sweet accessory,,, The whole kit is guaranteed for life. Even the batteries. That drill is powerfuf!!!! The batteries are full power right up to the point where they give a little click sound and shut off. It takes a simple 20 minutes to charge them up again. I made a trip into Home Despot for the company I work for and just happened to see a sale on this kit. Bag and all the price was $199.00. The last time I was in there the drill with one battery and a charger was $249.99 and was only guaranteed for three years. Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 12/30/09, germoamer at aol.com wrote: From: germoamer at aol.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 7:55 PM Arnie, Do not know of any adapters for the DeWalts. But winter has set in and good time for OT's. I have a bunch of DeWalt tools and seem to have better luck with the life of 12 volt batteries lasting longer than 18 volt. I have had 12 volt batteries last for years and for some reason the 18 volts do not last any time. Some in less than a year. The best luck I ever had was with a 15 volt Craftsman drill. The batteries lasted for 7 years before going bad. If you take them to a battery rebuilder, they want 3/4 the price of new batteries. And if you catch the 2-pack 18 volt on sale can buy new ones cheaper than rebuilds. Probably would be a smart idea to learn to rebuild them myself! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 31 05:34:51 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:34:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) In-Reply-To: <84580EC4150440789582DDF199C4B596@regpc> Message-ID: Reg: I believe you will come to grief trying to charge Lithium Ion batteries with a NiCad charger. Best bet would probably be to get some of the newer type NiCads which behave a lot better than the old ones. This will get you a lot of NiCads! http://www.mouser.com/Power/Batteries/Rechargeable-Batteries/NiCd-Nickel-Cadmium-Battery/_/N-5gbr/ Good luck! Oh, yes - almost forgot! HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Reg Ingold > Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 05:37 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) > > > Having followed this thread, and having cordless > stuff with stuffed > batteries, I am thinking of re building some > battery packs with Lithium Ion > replacements. > Anyone done this yet? ...............snip....................... > Reg. > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle. NSW. Australia > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Dec 31 04:43:07 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:43:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) References: Message-ID: <655D9FBCFC804B91B88C069FFAF2806B@regpc> Thanks Elden. I am working in the dark on this. From what I have seen and gleaned, the Lithium APPEARED the way to go. Before I do anything, I want as much input as I can get. I know nothing on the charging characteristics, etc. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) > Reg: > > I believe you will come to grief trying to charge Lithium Ion batteries > with a NiCad charger. Best bet would probably be to get some of the newer > type NiCads which behave a lot better than the old ones. > > This will get you a lot of NiCads! > > http://www.mouser.com/Power/Batteries/Rechargeable-Batteries/NiCd-Nickel-Cadmium-Battery/_/N-5gbr/ > > Good luck! > > Oh, yes - almost forgot! HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY! > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Reg Ingold >> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 05:37 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) >> >> >> Having followed this thread, and having cordless >> stuff with stuffed >> batteries, I am thinking of re building some >> battery packs with Lithium Ion >> replacements. >> Anyone done this yet? > > ...............snip....................... > >> Reg. >> Reg & Marg Ingold >> Newcastle. NSW. Australia >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Dec 31 05:19:00 2009 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:19:00 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Geoff from the Anson Museum gets an MBE Message-ID: <6C84C6B555D44FE4BF13EF89581A732B@zen> Geoff has been awarded an MBE in the New Year 2010 Honours List for services to Industrial Heritage. He received a letter from Downing Street about 6 weeks ago asking if he would accept the honour if it was granted. He is absolutely thrilled as you can imagine and Margaret, his partner says "It has nearly killed me having to keep it a secret until now." See http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/DG_183673 I am posting this mainly for the Aussies and Canadians that have visited the museum! Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Thu Dec 31 06:17:18 2009 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 01:17:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Happy New Year Message-ID: Happy New Year from Sydney. We just got home from watching the fireworks! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Thu Dec 31 06:30:43 2009 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 01:30:43 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Geoff from the Anson Museum gets an MBE In-Reply-To: <6C84C6B555D44FE4BF13EF89581A732B@zen> Message-ID: Please pass my congratulations on to Geoff. Patrick On 1/1/10 12:19 AM, "Dave Croft" wrote: > Geoff has been awarded an MBE in the New Year 2010 Honours List for services > to Industrial Heritage. > He received a letter from Downing Street about 6 weeks ago asking if he would > accept the honour if it was granted. > He is absolutely thrilled as you can imagine and Margaret, his partner says > "It has nearly killed me having to keep it a secret > until now." > See http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/DG_183673 > I am posting this mainly for the Aussies and Canadians that have visited the > museum! > > > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From tchristoff at earthlink.net Thu Dec 31 07:23:05 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 10:23:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) Message-ID: <20902792.1262272986041.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> For home use the Lithium might be good but I think they Suck. You really don't have any warning to when they will die, they just die. WIth the NiCad's, at least you will get a warning. The Lithium also don't last as long on a charge, I get 30% more use out of a NiCad. The only good thing I have found about the Lithium's is their weight. Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Reg Ingold >Sent: Dec 31, 2009 7:43 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) > >Thanks Elden. I am working in the dark on this. From what I have seen and >gleaned, the Lithium APPEARED the way to go. >Before I do anything, I want as much input as I can get. >I know nothing on the charging characteristics, etc. >Reg & Marg Ingold >Newcastle. NSW. Australia >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Elden DuRand" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 12:34 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) > > >> Reg: >> >> I believe you will come to grief trying to charge Lithium Ion batteries >> with a NiCad charger. Best bet would probably be to get some of the newer >> type NiCads which behave a lot better than the old ones. >> >> This will get you a lot of NiCads! >> >> http://www.mouser.com/Power/Batteries/Rechargeable-Batteries/NiCd-Nickel-Cadmium-Battery/_/N-5gbr/ >> >> Good luck! >> >> Oh, yes - almost forgot! HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY! >> >> Take care - Elden >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>> Behalf Of Reg Ingold >>> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 05:37 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) >>> >>> >>> Having followed this thread, and having cordless >>> stuff with stuffed >>> batteries, I am thinking of re building some >>> battery packs with Lithium Ion >>> replacements. >>> Anyone done this yet? >> >> ...............snip....................... >> >>> Reg. >>> Reg & Marg Ingold >>> Newcastle. NSW. Australia >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 31 08:06:37 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:06:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Geoff from the Anson Museum gets an MBE Message-ID: Hi Dave, Man, what great news. Thanks for posting this! Geoff, CONGRATS!! Richly deserved! See ya, Arnie PS - So why exactly, are you ignoring the Yanks who have visited the Museum? 8-)) On Thu, December 31, 2009 8:19 am, Dave Croft wrote: > Geoff has been awarded an MBE in the New Year 2010 Honours List for services to > Industrial Heritage. > He received a letter from Downing Street about 6 weeks ago asking if he would accept > the honour if it was granted. > He is absolutely thrilled as you can imagine and Margaret, his partner says "It has > nearly killed me having to keep it a secret > until now." > See http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/DG_183673 > I am posting this mainly for the Aussies and Canadians that have visited the museum! From hallaran at juno.com Thu Dec 31 08:26:48 2009 From: hallaran at juno.com (Jack Hallaran) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:26:48 GMT Subject: [SEL] Spam> Happy New Year Message-ID: <20091231.112648.18501.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Pat, Happy New Year my brother in rust! Jack Hallaran Atlanta, Ga From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Dec 31 09:24:28 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:24:28 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091231192039.028cfee0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Happy New Year to all on the lists. In about 4 1/2 hours I'm gonna hit the delete key on 2009 and try to pretend it never happened :-) Best wishes to you all and may you all have a prosperous 2010. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From falcon at telenet.net Thu Dec 31 09:50:19 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:50:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) In-Reply-To: <5210.14482964.386d509c@aol.com> References: <5210.14482964.386d509c@aol.com> Message-ID: <4B3CE45B.4030609@telenet.net> germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Arnie, > > Do not know of any adapters for the DeWalts. But winter has set in and > good time for OT's. I have a bunch of DeWalt tools and seem to have better > luck with the life of 12 volt batteries lasting longer than 18 volt. I have > had 12 volt batteries last for years and for some reason the 18 volts do > not last any time. Some in less than a year. The best luck I ever had was > with a 15 volt Craftsman drill. The batteries lasted for 7 years before > going bad. If you take them to a battery rebuilder, they want 3/4 the price of > new batteries. And if you catch the 2-pack 18 volt on sale can buy new > ones cheaper than rebuilds. Probably would be a smart idea to learn to > rebuild them myself! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > I've seen adapters for DeWalt and Makitas at the various Fire/Rescue shows. Never looked at who made them though. May have been Power Hawk or Nomad -- Steve W. From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Dec 31 10:24:51 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:24:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] New Years crankup ?? Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091231200428.028a8ac0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi all, There's been no talk of a New Year crankup this year - anyone having one? I will not be as I will be fast asleep at midnight. I worked until 5:00 am this morning and I'm "Bushed" (or should that now be "Obama'd). As an alternative, I'll start my pickup's engine just now so that I can park it in the workshop. I hope that's acceptable:-) On the subject of things falling by the wayside - whatever happened to the SEL Charity Xmas Auction. Has it now died officially? Last year's auction seemed to herald it's demise. I've only just made the Brass Plate from last years auction - but that's only because the pics to copy only arrived a few weeks ago but that's not a problem as the winner and I have been in constant touch about them, (before someone again accuses me of taking a year or more to deliver plates ). There is no "time limit". Then again I'm still waiting for pics for some plates that were won on the 2007 (or could it have been 2006) auction - also no problem the winner and I are in touch. O.K. that's enough rambling - Happy New Year (again) to you all. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From George_Best at adp.com Thu Dec 31 11:27:12 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:27:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New Years crankup ?? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091231200428.028a8ac0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091231200428.028a8ac0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F33E7EE79@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Jerry, I'll start up one or more of my engines on the first day of the year. Will be at some non-engine friends tonight to see the new year in. I'm afraid you're probably right about the auction demise. I think our group has gotten small enough it just faded away with hardly anyone noticing. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:25 AM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] New Years crankup ?? Hi all, There's been no talk of a New Year crankup this year - anyone having one? I will not be as I will be fast asleep at midnight. I worked until 5:00 am this morning and I'm "Bushed" (or should that now be "Obama'd). As an alternative, I'll start my pickup's engine just now so that I can park it in the workshop. I hope that's acceptable:-) On the subject of things falling by the wayside - whatever happened to the SEL Charity Xmas Auction. Has it now died officially? Last year's auction seemed to herald it's demise. I've only just made the Brass Plate from last years auction - but that's only because the pics to copy only arrived a few weeks ago but that's not a problem as the winner and I have been in constant touch about them, (before someone again accuses me of taking a year or more to deliver plates ). There is no "time limit". Then again I'm still waiting for pics for some plates that were won on the 2007 (or could it have been 2006) auction - also no problem the winner and I are in touch. O.K. that's enough rambling - Happy New Year (again) to you all. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Dec 31 11:30:26 2009 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:30:26 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Geoff from the Anson Museum gets an MBE References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: Cc: "atis" ; Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Geoff from the Anson Museum gets an MBE > Hi Dave, > > Man, what great news. Thanks for posting this! > > Geoff, CONGRATS!! Richly deserved! > > See ya, Arnie Snip Sorry Arnie, I forgot the days when you came to civilised engine appreciation. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 31 14:45:56 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:45:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Happy New Year In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Patrick: Happy New Year! I suppose I wasn't -exactly- too early with my New Year's photo (posted on my web page). It was taken at about 4:00 pm, so must have been just in time for your fireworks! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick > Livingstone > Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 08:17 AM > To: ATIS; Oldengine > Subject: [SEL] Spam> Happy New Year > > > Happy New Year from Sydney. We just got home from > watching the fireworks! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From bigflywheel at aol.com Thu Dec 31 14:17:56 2009 From: bigflywheel at aol.com (bigflywheel at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:17:56 EST Subject: [SEL] German Engines Message-ID: <694c.773c9b7b.386e7d14@aol.com> I am looking for any engine built in Germany for sale or any nice engine across the pond. What do you have? Send photos please. Thank You Kevin K USA BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 31 15:05:10 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:05:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] German Engines In-Reply-To: <694c.773c9b7b.386e7d14@aol.com> References: <694c.773c9b7b.386e7d14@aol.com> Message-ID: <0aff7d4995b3ca7d56da02745bbfda64.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Kevin, You need to go to the Nuenen engine rally in the Netherlands. http://home.kpn.nl/antonvandercruijsen/ Loads of rare & exotic engines; more inverted engines than you've ever seen in one place; and wonderful engine folk as far as the eye can see. AND a fair number are "Te Koop." See ya, Arnie On Thu, December 31, 2009 5:17 pm, bigflywheel at aol.com wrote: > I am looking for any engine built in Germany for sale or any nice engine > across the pond. What do you have? > Send photos please. > Thank You > Kevin K USA > > BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM From george at irontrader.com Thu Dec 31 16:39:48 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:39:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] German Engines In-Reply-To: <694c.773c9b7b.386e7d14@aol.com> References: <694c.773c9b7b.386e7d14@aol.com> Message-ID: <000901ca8a7a$ece452b0$c6acf810$@com> Kevin, There are a fair number of German engines already in this country. Just don't know of any for sale at the moment. Arnie is right that there are lots of collectors in Europe and lots of engines available if you're willing to pay the prices they want. Years ago European engines were a lot cheaper than they are now, plus our dollar has lost a lot of value compared to the euro. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bigflywheel at aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 2:18 PM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] German Engines I am looking for any engine built in Germany for sale or any nice engine across the pond. What do you have? Send photos please. Thank You Kevin K USA BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From reb1952 at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 31 17:00:00 2009 From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:00:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New Years crankup ?? References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091231200428.028a8ac0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Will be firing one up but won't be at midnite. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:24 PM Subject: [SEL] New Years crankup ?? > Hi all, > There's been no talk of a New Year crankup this year - anyone > having one? > > I will not be as I will be fast asleep at midnight. I worked until > 5:00 am this morning and I'm "Bushed" (or should that now be "Obama'd). > > As an alternative, I'll start my pickup's engine just now so that > I can park it in the workshop. I hope that's acceptable:-) > > On the subject of things falling by the wayside - whatever > happened to the SEL Charity Xmas Auction. Has it now died officially? Last > year's auction seemed to herald it's demise. > > I've only just made the Brass Plate from last years auction - but > that's only because the pics to copy only arrived a few weeks ago but > that's not a problem as the winner and I have been in constant touch about > them, (before someone again accuses me of taking a year or more to deliver > plates ). There is no "time limit". Then again I'm still waiting > for pics for some plates that were won on the 2007 (or could it have been > 2006) auction - also no problem the winner and I are in touch. > > O.K. that's enough rambling - Happy New Year (again) to you all. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Thu Dec 31 17:13:58 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland ) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 01:13:58 +0000 Subject: [SEL] New Years crankup ?? Message-ID: Running the 8 HP John lauson right now Tom Winland Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Dickie Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 01:00:00 To: Subject: Re: [SEL] New Years crankup ?? Will be firing one up but won't be at midnite. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:24 PM Subject: [SEL] New Years crankup ?? > Hi all, >???????? There's been no talk of a New Year crankup this year - anyone > having one? > >???????? I will not be as I will be fast asleep at midnight. I worked until > 5:00 am this morning and I'm "Bushed" (or should that now be "Obama'd). > >???????? As an alternative, I'll start my pickup's engine just now so that > I can park it in the workshop. I hope that's acceptable:-) > >???????? On the subject of things falling by the wayside - whatever > happened to the SEL Charity Xmas Auction. Has it now died officially? Last > year's auction seemed to herald it's demise. > >???????? I've only just made the Brass Plate from last years auction - but > that's only because the pics to copy only arrived a few weeks ago but > that's not a problem as the winner and I have been in constant touch about > them, (before someone again accuses me of taking a year or more to deliver > plates ). There is no "time limit". Then again I'm still waiting > for pics for some plates that were won on the 2007 (or could it have been > 2006) auction - also no problem the winner and I are in touch. > >???????? O.K. that's enough rambling - Happy New Year (again) to you all. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 31 17:14:46 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:14:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) In-Reply-To: <20902792.1262272986041.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <737387.74897.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I will use them over ni-cads anytime. My lithiums recharge so fast it is crazy how long they will last. My 18 Volt drill has an auto shift that will kick it into low gear if it is needed. The only time I felt it kick in was when I was drilling through metal and when it penetrated the other side and bit off more than the bit could chew that drill jumped into low gear and kept going. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Thu, 12/31/09, Tim Christoff wrote: From: Tim Christoff Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 10:23 AM For home use the Lithium might be good but I think they Suck.? You really don't have any warning to when they will die, they just die.? WIth the NiCad's, at least you will get a warning.? The Lithium also don't last as long on a charge, I get 30% more use out of a NiCad.? The only good thing I have found about the Lithium's is their weight. Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Reg Ingold >Sent: Dec 31, 2009 7:43 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) > >Thanks Elden. I am working in the dark on this. From what I have seen and >gleaned, the Lithium APPEARED the way to go. >Before I do anything, I want as much input as I can get. >I know nothing on the charging characteristics, etc. >Reg & Marg Ingold >Newcastle. NSW. Australia >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Elden DuRand" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 12:34 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) > > >> Reg: >> >> I believe you will come to grief trying to charge Lithium Ion batteries >> with a NiCad charger.? Best bet would probably be to get some of the newer >> type NiCads which behave a lot better than the old ones. >> >> This will get you a lot of NiCads! >> >> http://www.mouser.com/Power/Batteries/Rechargeable-Batteries/NiCd-Nickel-Cadmium-Battery/_/N-5gbr/ >> >> Good luck! >> >> Oh, yes - almost forgot!? HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY! >> >> Take care - Elden >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>>? Behalf Of Reg Ingold >>> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 05:37 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) >>> >>> >>> Having followed this thread, and having cordless >>> stuff with stuffed >>> batteries, I am thinking of re building some >>> battery packs with Lithium Ion >>> replacements. >>> Anyone done this yet? >> >> ...............snip....................... >> >>> Reg. >>> Reg & Marg Ingold >>> Newcastle. NSW. Australia >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Thu Dec 31 22:15:05 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 17:15:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) In-Reply-To: <737387.74897.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20902792.1262272986041.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <737387.74897.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008701ca8aa9$c3087d20$49197760$@com.au> Oh absolutely - Lithium over NiCd anytime! They last ages and charge quickly and most importantly do not have memory. If you repeatedly charge NiCd when they are not depleted they will start to "remember" this and fail much earlier than they should have. The Lithium will generally be a higher amp-hour battery for the same size (this means they work longer between charges). Regards Paul -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Friday, 1 January 2010 12:15 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) I will use them over ni-cads anytime. My lithiums recharge so fast it is crazy how long they will last. My 18 Volt drill has an auto shift that will kick it into low gear if it is needed. The only time I felt it kick in was when I was drilling through metal and when it penetrated the other side and bit off more than the bit could chew that drill jumped into low gear and kept going. ? Alan in Michigan From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Tue Dec 1 01:48:39 2009 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:48:39 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New video Message-ID: <45416E1B301A4F85B738217977329A78@bd32d875216e74> Just bought myself a new camera,canon Powershot, first movie try of Blackstone Hybrid on utube link is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfDng8hcin4 .have more Blackstones to video and add. Brian Watts. briwatt at optusnet.com.au (03) 97266147 David Watts damewatt at bigpond,com (03) 8761 6332 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Dec 1 02:10:03 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:10:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair In-Reply-To: <35F733EC747B46DA96408108F01377BD@acer8ff47bfe9a> References: <4B1406BE.3070401@insulate.co.uk><7B9F79BAAC954358AD7A35CC7F591488@regpc> <35F733EC747B46DA96408108F01377BD@acer8ff47bfe9a> Message-ID: <079730C3AD3C4378B6D5F86637E0BC50@KerryPC> Thanks Peter Kerry > Try ''Super Cast'' or ''Weld All''. > >> Reg, do you know a name / number of the latest type. From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Dec 1 07:04:39 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:04:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New video In-Reply-To: <45416E1B301A4F85B738217977329A78@bd32d875216e74> Message-ID: Brian: After looking at your video, I'm envious about your collection. Also, I really need to start looking for a better camera! The video was excellent! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Brian Watts > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 03:49 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list; > stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] New video > > > Just bought myself a new camera,canon Powershot, > first movie try of Blackstone Hybrid on utube > link is > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfDng8hcin4 .have > more Blackstones to video and add. > Brian Watts. > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > (03) 97266147 From rob at rustyiron.com Tue Dec 1 06:28:28 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:28:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] New video In-Reply-To: <45416E1B301A4F85B738217977329A78@bd32d875216e74> References: <45416E1B301A4F85B738217977329A78@bd32d875216e74> Message-ID: <6C5D38A2-F03C-407A-A10D-1BC56B3D6DB8@rustyiron.com> Nice engines! On the next video, dwell a little longer on that magnificent sign. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Dec 1, 2009, at 1:48 AM, Brian Watts wrote: > Just bought myself a new camera,canon Powershot, first movie try of > Blackstone Hybrid on utube link ishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfDng8hcin4 > .have more Blackstones to video and add. > Brian Watts. > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > (03) 97266147 > > David Watts > damewatt at bigpond,com > (03) 8761 6332 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Dec 1 11:58:34 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:58:34 +0200 Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091201210627.00ad89d0@mail.atech.co.za> At 07:00 PM 01/12/2009, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:54:06 +0000 >From: Jim French >Subject: [SEL] thoughts on best repair >To: ATIS Stationary Engine List >Message-ID: <4B1406BE.3070401 at insulate.co.uk> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hi all this is Jim not Dolly > >On Saturday me and twin bro Andy went to see a Ruston Hornsby not 15 >miles from our village that has sat there from new !! The owner is an >81 year old who showed it to us and has asked us to get it running >again. It's in quite good order, still turning freely over but a valve >has stuck (not the problem) and years ago he kept on turning the engine >over to budge the sticking valve ... but bust the rocker arm !!! What >I'm asking is, what is the best way to repair the rocker arm as it is a >clean snap - braze, cast rod stick welded, stainless mig weld ?? >Now the dark nights are here well and propper, this will be a nice job. >Any thoughts? >JIM >Jim French Hi Jim (or is it "Not Dolly :-)), Late answer but I only get the digest. You have got many good and constructive answers re, welding, brazing etc. and most are good for your question. I do NOT have a better answer than those you have already received but would like to offer another idea for guys with small "broken" cast parts. Maybe we are fortunate here in South Africa, in that, we have a casting shop that is "restorer friendly". You could also just epoxy glue the 2 parts together (you said it was a clean break), fit bushes or plugs (nylon or any other material) to all the holes and take it to your local "restorer friendly" casting shop and askt them to make a "Sand Mould". They will use this "Sand Mould" to cast a new part at not too much cost (if they are as friendly as ours). I know that there is shrinkage etc. but these older parts usually had enough extra metal to accommodate that. On any "critical" surfaces you can always stick some shim stock, or even masking tape over them to compensate for shrinkage. when you machine the holes back in and reface the surfaces that need it. On smaller parts a few coats of a good quality "filler/Primer" will even give you enough "extra" to allow for shrinkage. As I mentioned - this is an alternative idea - not necessarily the answer to your question or problem - and will need machining afterwards. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Dec 1 13:41:33 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:41:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New video In-Reply-To: <45416E1B301A4F85B738217977329A78@bd32d875216e74> References: <45416E1B301A4F85B738217977329A78@bd32d875216e74> Message-ID: <20091201214119.2620F340012@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au> Hey Brian, Whats with the tittle! Daves engines; mate I recon you should squeeze your name in there somewhere. This is the engine from Russell?? and nice job with the block also. The steel box there; I remember you getting that from Knighty's sale. Is this the correct box for that engine; it's a fuel box/tank isn't it? Looks great anyway. PS: I have that valve remade already for my 8hp; just waiting on a new crankshaft gear and will start re-assembly. Russell At 08:48 PM 1/12/2009, you wrote: >Just bought myself a new camera,canon Powershot, first movie try of >Blackstone Hybrid on utube link is >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfDng8hcin4 .have more Blackstones to >video and add. >Brian Watts. >briwatt at optusnet.com.au >(03) 97266147 > >David Watts >damewatt at bigpond,com >(03) 8761 6332 > >http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Dec 2 06:03:50 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:03:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Chase shingle mill blade Message-ID: Howdee all; Little slow this time of year so thought I'd ask: "Why does our vertical shingle mill use a tapered blade?" TIA, RickinMt. From rotigel at me.com Wed Dec 2 06:53:56 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:53:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Chase shingle mill blade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rick, If I'm understanding your question correctly it is so that the shingle will "fall" away from the blade properly. Dave On Dec 2, 2009, at 9:03 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > > Howdee all; > Little slow this time of year so thought I'd ask: "Why does our > vertical > shingle mill use a tapered blade?" > > TIA, > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Dec 2 07:08:25 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:08:25 EST Subject: [SEL] Chase shingle mill blade Message-ID: In a message dated 12/2/2009 10:02:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, rotigel at me.com writes: If I'm understanding your question correctly it is so that the shingle will "fall" away from the blade properly. Rick/Dave, Or is it to provide clearance as the blade cuts thru the surface area of a shingle? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Dec 2 07:13:38 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:13:38 EST Subject: [SEL] magnet charger Message-ID: What does everyone think about the magnet charger instructions and built by Peter Rooke in December issue of GEM? Sure looks like a lot of thought was given to building it and is a very powerful charger. Everyone going out and order supplies and build it? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From jacob.warner at pdahome.com Wed Dec 2 07:47:22 2009 From: jacob.warner at pdahome.com (jacob warner) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:47:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] magnet charger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <72583e410912020747g667618aan2a017644768bffd8@mail.gmail.com> I think it was a great article! I hope to be able to try to build one soon. It has sparked an interest with me for gaussmeters like the one found here http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Gaussmeter/gaussmtr.html. I think it would be very helpful information to know what the strength of the magnet needs to be to create a hot enough spark. -Jacob jacob.warner at pdahome.com On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:13 AM, wrote: > What does everyone think about the magnet charger instructions and built > by Peter Rooke in December issue of GEM? Sure looks like a lot of thought > was given to building it and is a very powerful charger. Everyone going > out > and order supplies and build it? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Dec 2 08:06:21 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:06:21 EST Subject: [SEL] magnet charger Message-ID: In a message dated 12/2/2009 10:51:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, jacob.warner at pdahome.com writes: I think it was a great article! I hope to be able to try to build one soon. It has sparked an interest with me for gaussmeters like the one found here http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Gaussmeter/gaussmtr.html. I think it would be very helpful information to know what the strength of the magnet needs to be to create a hot enough spark Jacob, Sounds like a lot of fun! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Dec 2 08:23:34 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:23:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Chase shingle mill blade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's an example of our Shingle Mill...I believe this one's in Dave and Arnie's neck of the woods...Coolsprings. The blade is screwed (countersunk) from the backside to the big red blade flange. This blade is 36" in dia. and the cost was right around $1k , and can only be ground by a place in Snohomish, Washington (state). http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2970083600039077051TJvfWB after viewing that...hit next for a backside shot. Thanks guys for the quick reply Stay warm....1 above here Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Chase shingle mill blade > In a message dated 12/2/2009 10:02:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, > rotigel at me.com writes: > > If I'm understanding your question correctly it is so that > the shingle will "fall" away from the blade properly. > Rick/Dave, > > Or is it to provide clearance as the blade cuts thru the surface area of > a shingle? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at me.com Wed Dec 2 08:52:34 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:52:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Chase shingle mill blade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick, Is your question about the flange, or the blade itself? Dave On Dec 2, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > Here's an example of our Shingle Mill...I believe this one's in Dave > and > Arnie's neck of the woods...Coolsprings. > > The blade is screwed (countersunk) from the backside to the big red > blade > flange. This blade is 36" in dia. and the cost was right around > $1k , and > can only be ground by a place in Snohomish, Washington (state). > > http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2970083600039077051TJvfWB > > after viewing that...hit next for a backside shot. > > Thanks guys for the quick reply > > Stay warm....1 above here > > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:08 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Chase shingle mill blade > > >> In a message dated 12/2/2009 10:02:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, >> rotigel at me.com writes: >> >> If I'm understanding your question correctly it is so that >> the shingle will "fall" away from the blade properly. >> Rick/Dave, >> >> Or is it to provide clearance as the blade cuts thru the surface >> area of >> a shingle? >> >> Tom Schmutz >> Concord, Va. >> germoamer at AOL.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Dec 2 17:43:16 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:43:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Chase shingle mill blade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The blade itself...when the kerf hits that flange..something's going to happen..hopefully a sawn, split shingle. Rick > Rick, Is your question about the flange, or the blade itself? > Dave > > On Dec 2, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Dec 2 17:37:14 2009 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:37:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] magnet charger References: <72583e410912020747g667618aan2a017644768bffd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jacob, I found the magazine article to be very complete, well done. I restored a Model T Ford charger that I got at Portland, Ind. a few years ago and was disappointed in it. From Peter Rooke's article, I realized that I need to put the two coils in series, not parallel. I also found a 250 volt power supply with a big capacitor and plan to try that. One of the things I learned on that project is that the guys that charge magnets have their favorite piece of I -beam. They stick the magnet to the I -beam and pull it off and know if the magnet is weak or strong. They really don't need a meter. I think we distributed about 15 kits thru out SEL and I might have the list of where they went. All the PC boards are long gone, but I have about 10 of the lower sensitivity sensors in my H-E box if you need one. I use my gauss meter for mapping magnets on the flywheels of small air cooled engines and ignition triggers. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "jacob warner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] magnet charger >I think it was a great article! I hope to be able to try to build one soon. > It has sparked an interest with me for gaussmeters like the one found here > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Gaussmeter/gaussmtr.html. I think > it > would be very helpful information to know what the strength of the magnet > needs to be to create a hot enough spark. > > -Jacob From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Dec 2 19:02:33 2009 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:02:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] magnet charger References: <72583e410912020747g667618aan2a017644768bffd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15AA821021D4402893AF242A144FC0A1@Ed> Oops, got that backwards. I need to put the coils in parallel, not series. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed stoller" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] magnet charger > Hi Jacob, > > I found the magazine article to be very complete, well done. I restored a > Model T Ford charger that I got at Portland, Ind. a few years ago and was > disappointed in it. From Peter Rooke's article, I realized that I need to > put the two coils in series, not parallel. I also found a 250 volt power > supply with a big capacitor and plan to try that. > > > One of the things I learned on that project is that the guys that charge > magnets have their favorite piece of I -beam. They stick the magnet to the > I -beam and pull it off and know if the magnet is weak or strong. They > really don't need a meter. I think we distributed about 15 kits thru out > SEL > and I might have the list of where they went. > All the PC boards are long gone, but I have about 10 of the lower > sensitivity sensors in my H-E box if you need one. I use my gauss meter > for > mapping magnets on the flywheels of small air cooled engines and ignition > triggers. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jacob warner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:47 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] magnet charger > > >>I think it was a great article! I hope to be able to try to build one >>soon. >> It has sparked an interest with me for gaussmeters like the one found >> here >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Gaussmeter/gaussmtr.html. I think >> it >> would be very helpful information to know what the strength of the magnet >> needs to be to create a hot enough spark. >> >> -Jacob > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 3 07:57:14 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:57:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] magnet charger In-Reply-To: <15AA821021D4402893AF242A144FC0A1@Ed> Message-ID: Ed: It doesn't really matter that they're in series or parallel as long as the two coils are -either- wired in the same direction and connected backwards (in electrical polarity) or are wound in opposite directions and hooked together with the same electrical polarity. Rule of Thumb applies. Well - if you do connect them in series, you will need double the voltage to get the same magnetic field. And, yes, I still have my Gaussmeter. Checked it out the other day and the original battery is still good. I need to start taking it to shows. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ed stoller > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 09:03 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] magnet charger > > > Oops, got that backwards. I need to put the coils > in parallel, not series. > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ From jacob.warner at pdahome.com Thu Dec 3 07:49:15 2009 From: jacob.warner at pdahome.com (jacob warner) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:49:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] magnet charger In-Reply-To: References: <15AA821021D4402893AF242A144FC0A1@Ed> Message-ID: <72583e410912030749i2b82c5f0h8ebf70f5e111a808@mail.gmail.com> Elden, Have you collected any data on gauss measuments for different types of magnetos? -Jacob On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Elden DuRand wrote: > Ed: > > It doesn't really matter that they're in series or parallel as long as the > two coils are -either- wired in the same direction and connected backwards > (in electrical polarity) or are wound in opposite directions and hooked > together with the same electrical polarity. Rule of Thumb applies. > > Well - if you do connect them in series, you will need double the voltage > to get the same magnetic field. > > And, yes, I still have my Gaussmeter. Checked it out the other day and the > original battery is still good. I need to start taking it to shows. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > > Behalf Of Ed stoller > > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 09:03 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] magnet charger > > > > > > Oops, got that backwards. I need to put the coils > > in parallel, not series. > > Ed Stoller > > New Fairfield, CT > > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 3 09:12:24 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:12:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] magnet charger In-Reply-To: <72583e410912030749i2b82c5f0h8ebf70f5e111a808@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jacob: I think Ed Stoller (the inventor) has some measurements tabulated. I checked some magnetos after I built mine but didn't write 'em down. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of jacob > warner > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 09:49 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] magnet charger > > > Elden, > > Have you collected any data on gauss measuments > for different types of > magnetos? > > -Jacob From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Dec 3 15:58:37 2009 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:58:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] magnet charger References: Message-ID: <8A36F7C2CD944E4C951E4BDC4B304385@Ed> I rarely have the opportunity to play with a magneto and have no records of the strength of their magnets. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] magnet charger > Jacob: > > I think Ed Stoller (the inventor) has some measurements tabulated. I > checked some magnetos after I built mine but didn't write 'em down. > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of jacob >> warner >> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 09:49 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] magnet charger >> >> >> Elden, >> >> Have you collected any data on gauss measuments >> for different types of >> magnetos? >> >> -Jacob > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Dec 4 07:24:48 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:24:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] magnet charger In-Reply-To: <8A36F7C2CD944E4C951E4BDC4B304385@Ed> Message-ID: Ed: Clueless, ain't we? :-) 'Bout like our Guvmint. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Ed stoller > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 05:59 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] magnet charger > > > I rarely have the opportunity to play with a > magneto and have no records of > the strength of their magnets. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elden DuRand" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:12 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] magnet charger > > > > Jacob: > > > > I think Ed Stoller (the inventor) has some > measurements tabulated. I > > checked some magnetos after I built mine but > didn't write 'em down. > > > > Take care - Elden > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > >> Behalf Of jacob > >> warner > >> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 09:49 AM > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] magnet charger > >> > >> > >> Elden, > >> > >> Have you collected any data on gauss measuments > >> for different types of > >> magnetos? > >> > >> -Jacob > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Dec 4 16:27:28 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:27:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Weight of Witte 12 hp Message-ID: <20091204.162829.16959.80903@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Hi all. What is the weight of a 12 hp Witte headless? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=ELVdZVCf4MIgO-HNHrM0BwAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Dec 5 02:47:29 2009 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 21:47:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New address for Peter Lowe Message-ID: Hi all Just a quick note. We have moved house so our new address is: Peter & Kaye Lowe 16 Church Street Maclean, 2463 Australia Please make a note in case there is a need to snail mail me. Email address and phone are the same Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Skype name: ozengines From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Dec 5 07:30:05 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:30:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Weight of Witte 12 hp In-Reply-To: <20091204.162829.16959.80903@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Ron: Heavy, man! Heavy. ;-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of rdhaskell > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 06:27 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; > stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Weight of Witte 12 hp > > > Hi all. > What is the weight of a 12 hp Witte headless? > Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com From rob at rustyiron.com Sat Dec 5 08:16:12 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:16:12 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Weight of Witte 12 hp In-Reply-To: <20091204.162829.16959.80903@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091204.162829.16959.80903@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <9C6A0D07-83B8-4BC0-BA90-7144DFB8DF4F@rustyiron.com> Just perfect for your trailer. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Dec 4, 2009, at 4:27 PM, rdhaskell wrote: > Hi all. > What is the weight of a 12 hp Witte headless? > Thanks. From gastzt at aol.com Sat Dec 5 08:20:51 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 11:20:51 EST Subject: [SEL] Weight of Witte 12 hp Message-ID: I was thinking the same thing--- REAL heavy--LOL Stan Z From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Dec 5 09:30:49 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:30:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Weight of Witte 12 hp In-Reply-To: <9C6A0D07-83B8-4BC0-BA90-7144DFB8DF4F@rustyiron.com> References: <20091204.162829.16959.80903@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> <9C6A0D07-83B8-4BC0-BA90-7144DFB8DF4F@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <85c17f265e70e570bf16bef01b350ae3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> I've got an undated Witte catalog that lists a 10 hp and a 15 hp throttle-governed engine as follows: 10 hp, bore 6.5" stroke 9" FW dia. 34" shipping weight 1350 lbs. 15 hp, bore 8.5" stroke 11" FW dia. 42" shipping weight 2000 lbs. Not exactly what you're looking for, but that should give you a feel at least for "heavy." 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Sat, December 5, 2009 11:16 am, Rob Skinner wrote: > Just perfect for your trailer. > > On Dec 4, 2009, at 4:27 PM, rdhaskell wrote: > >> What is the weight of a 12 hp Witte headless? From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun Dec 6 00:29:12 2009 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:29:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Pics Message-ID: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y09/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From peter at loud-n-clear.net Sun Dec 6 00:57:11 2009 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 08:57:11 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Pics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <040f01ca7652$1a4250f0$8335c53e@doc> Thanks for those, Patrick. What were all those hand-cranked devices on the red tablecloth? Pete -- Peter Scales > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Patrick Livingstone > Sent: 06 December 2009 08:29 > To: ATIS; Oldengine > Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Pics > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y09/index.htm > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun Dec 6 01:44:47 2009 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:44:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <040f01ca7652$1a4250f0$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: Hi Pete, They are a mixture of apple peelers, corers & parers. They are great to see in action. On 6/12/09 7:57 PM, "Peter Scales" wrote: > Thanks for those, Patrick. What were all those hand-cranked devices on the > red tablecloth? > > > Pete Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From gastzt at aol.com Sun Dec 6 03:51:15 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 06:51:15 EST Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Pics Message-ID: ooops-- http ha! From frappi at wcoil.com Sun Dec 6 08:55:24 2009 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:55:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Industrial Light needed In-Reply-To: <518521.89444.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8C86B7CC9B5948E5B5F7A181EC8AE40D@JIMDUNMYER> <518521.89444.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20091206165521.0336C88FF@smtp.wcoil.com> This is in regards to a demo washer restoration project a friend of mine is winding down. All that's needed is a light fixture like what's pictured below. The power cord goes into the side of the fixture. It is fastened to the washer by a bolt through the top of the crown. The fixture is smaller then the average industrial fixture. I have asked for overall dimensions. Will pass them on as soon as I get them. Does any one have a vintage fixture? Shooting for circa 1930 If I had to hazard a guess to size I would say 3 X 7 as an idea. Mark http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/fixture.jpg It goes into a washer like this http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/demo.jpg Mark Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell. Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From kosh at ncweb.com Sun Dec 6 12:56:28 2009 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:56:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Pics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20091206155410.0c94c530@ncweb.com> Is the Crossley, http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y09/pages/DSCF4335_JPG.htm the air pump to start bigger Crossleys? Dave Merchant At 03:29 AM 12/6/2009, you wrote: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y09/index.htm > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." - Prof. Phil Jones - Director, Climatic Research Unit - School of Environmental Sciences - University of East Anglia - Norwich, UK - To: Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, Malcolm Hughes From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Dec 6 13:49:10 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:49:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Young Rally Pics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6a6d1147b3ae3d69e04d20869c1f455f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Patrick, Is that Kansas City Haypress model the one that Reg built? http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y09/pages/DSCF4009_JPG.htm See ya, Arnie On Sun, December 6, 2009 3:29 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y09/index.htm From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com Mon Dec 7 01:34:06 2009 From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (rustyiron1) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:34:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Buzacott Farm Pumper References: <040f01ca7652$1a4250f0$8335c53e@doc> Message-ID: <6E4CB0D8CF714591B796A8B739756A5B@Andy> Hello All I need a bit of help trying to date a Buzacott Farm Pumper. Is there a Serial No.Register that some one is keeping? Edd Payne did help with some of the identifications on these Pumpers back in Aug03, but nothing about the model I have. This Pumper has the Wico on the left hand side (Looking at the Flywheel). It came without a Flywheel, but I have since source one, it has Serial No.4121 stamped on the arrow. Any idea's Andy..... Brandon Qld. From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Dec 7 08:57:09 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:57:09 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Cars & Engines Message-ID: Mostly cars, and only a few engines, but it was still a good time. http://engines.rustyiron.com/Vintage-Motors Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com From George_Best at adp.com Mon Dec 7 09:10:55 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:10:55 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cars & Engines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F31900A0A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Nice pictures Rob. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:57 AM To: Stationary-Engine ATIS; Oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Cars & Engines Mostly cars, and only a few engines, but it was still a good time. http://engines.rustyiron.com/Vintage-Motors Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From gastzt at aol.com Mon Dec 7 10:31:19 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:31:19 EST Subject: [SEL] Cars & Engines Message-ID: YES--- very very nice--and thanks! Stan Pleasanton, Tx From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Mon Dec 7 10:48:30 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:48:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thought I'd share with everyone what I was playing with over the weekend. It's a little Barker sideshaft that I'm getting ready to sell to help pay for my new engine barn. It's been sitting for a few years without doing anything with it so I figured I wouldn't miss it and now that I've had a chance to play with it it's going to suck having to part with it. :( but ya gotta do whatcha ya gotta do and I needed a new barn. They start putting up the new barn tomorrow. :) http://gasenginetom.com/Barker_sideshaft.html Tom Winland Ohio _________________________________________________________________ Chat with Messenger straight from your Hotmail inbox. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?ocid=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_4:092009 From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Mon Dec 7 11:34:06 2009 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:34:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Buzacott Farm Pumper In-Reply-To: <6E4CB0D8CF714591B796A8B739756A5B@Andy> References: <040f01ca7652$1a4250f0$8335c53e@doc> <6E4CB0D8CF714591B796A8B739756A5B@Andy> Message-ID: <4B1D58AE.9040904@rustic-engines.com> Andy, it (the Pumper) has probably been made up from two to a dozen different engines in its lifetime. You know Glen has one that shows signs of this happening? I'm sure he would be interested in anything that is uncovered here. Good luck mate. BTW how did you identify it as a Buzacott (without the flywheel)? Decal? Cheers, Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com rustyiron1 wrote: > Hello All > I need a bit of help trying to date a Buzacott Farm Pumper. > Is there a Serial No.Register that some one is keeping? > Edd Payne did help with some of the identifications on these Pumpers back in > Aug03, > but nothing about the model I have. > This Pumper has the Wico on the left hand side (Looking at the Flywheel). > It came without a Flywheel, but I have since source one, it has Serial > No.4121 > stamped on the arrow. > Any idea's > > Andy..... > Brandon Qld. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ashpow at westnet.com.au Mon Dec 7 11:58:06 2009 From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (Ash Powell) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:58:06 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Lister D for sale Message-ID: <000001ca7777$9a1cc230$ce564690$@com.au> Hey all, I've got a Lister D in rough condition for sale. It has carb and magneto, missing fuel tank. It turns over and would be restorable or good for parts. Its located in Armidale NSW. I've had to move house and don't have any space for it. Cheers, Ash From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Dec 7 12:15:38 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:15:38 -0800 Subject: [SEL] unusual threads Message-ID: <20091207.121617.21414.86589@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com> Hi all. I ran across some unusual threads on a Aermotor air cooled. 7/16 x 12. Never heard of that one before, would like to clean them up. Can't find a listing for taps and dies. Any clues? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyer Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=850INKq7UVD49VlOysuxCgAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAiFgAAAAA= From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Dec 7 13:41:56 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:41:56 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft References: Message-ID: <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc> I am surprised to see a Barker with the shaft on the other side. All those here and the one I saw in UK have the shaft on the other side. Enjoy. Reg Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Winland" To: "SEL list" Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:48 AM Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft > > > Thought I'd share with everyone what I was playing with over the weekend. > It's a little Barker sideshaft that I'm getting ready to sell to help pay > for my new engine barn. It's been sitting for a few years without doing > anything with it so I figured I wouldn't miss it and now that I've had a > chance to play with it it's going to suck having to part with it. :( but > ya gotta do whatcha ya gotta do and I needed a new barn. They start > putting up the new barn tomorrow. :) > > > > http://gasenginetom.com/Barker_sideshaft.html > > > > Tom Winland > > Ohio > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with Messenger straight from your Hotmail inbox. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?ocid=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_4:092009 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 13:45:32 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:45:32 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Indiana.edu Message-ID: <6f6025160912071345w241ac9d7x1a5659ee01ab7798@mail.gmail.com> Been going through the backups in the cupboard, and found a CD with some old Indiana.edu emails when Bryce had the Engine List on that server. A lot of familiar names, a few that are gone now, but quite a 'blast from the past'! Arnie & Rob are not in here for some reason, this is dated October 1998 but I felt sure that they were both on the List in those days, maybe I didn't index them into separate folders within the email programme. Here's one of Dave's: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= Hi All, Here are the answers to the "Qiezzie" I sent out last week. Credit must be given to Reg Ingold, for it was he from whom I stole it in the first place! Dave PS, Only one person got all the answers correct--and I lost that post. If the winner will simply send their Maytag Motor to me, I'll customize it (as promised) and send it right back to them. >> 1. There is one word in the English language that is always pronounced >> incorrectly. What is it? >> >> 2. A man gave one son 10 cents and another son was given 15 cents. What >> time is it? >> >> 3. A boat has a ladder that has six rungs, each rung is one foot apart. >> The bottom rung is one foot from the water. The tide rises at 12 inches >> every 15 minutes. High tide peaks in one hour. When the tide is at it's >> highest, how many rungs are under water? >> >> 4. There is a house with four walls. Each wall faces south. There is a >> window in each wall. A bear walks by one of the windows. What color is >> the bear? >> >> 5. Is half of two plus two equal to two or three? >> >> 6. There is a room. The shutters are blowing in. There is broken glass on >> the floor. There is water on the floor. You find Sloppy dead on the >> floor. Who is Sloppy?> How did Sloppy die? >> >> 7. How much dirt would be in a hole 6 feet deep and 6 feet wide that has >> been dug with a square edged shovel? >> >> 8. If I were in Hawaii and dropped a bowling ball in a bucket of water >> which is 45 degrees F, and dropped another ball of the same weight, >> mass,and size in a bucket at 30 degrees F, both of them at the same >> time, which ball would hit the bottom of the bucket first? >> Same question, but the location is in Canada? >> >> 9. What is the significance of the following: The year is 1978, >> thirty-four minutes past noon on May 6th. >> >> 10. What can go up a chimney down, but can't go down a chimney up? >> (hint... chim chimminy) >> >> 11. If a farmer has 5 haystacks in one field and 4 haystacks in the >> other field, how many haystacks would he have if he combined them all in >> the center field? >> >> 12. What is it that goes up and goes down but does not move? >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Answers available :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rotigel at me.com Mon Dec 7 14:22:20 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:22:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc> References: <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc> Message-ID: Hi Reg, So all that you have seen have the shaft on "the other side" and the one to which Tom called your attention has the shaft on "the other side." (Anyone besides Reg see where this is going?) Does that mean that they are the same? Dave On Dec 7, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Reg Ingold wrote: > I am surprised to see a Barker with the shaft on the other side. > All those here and the one I saw in UK have the shaft on the other > side. > Enjoy. > Reg > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle. NSW. Australia > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Winland" > To: "SEL list" > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:48 AM > Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft > > >> >> >> Thought I'd share with everyone what I was playing with over the >> weekend. >> It's a little Barker sideshaft that I'm getting ready to sell to >> help pay >> for my new engine barn. It's been sitting for a few years without >> doing >> anything with it so I figured I wouldn't miss it and now that I've >> had a >> chance to play with it it's going to suck having to part with it. : >> ( but >> ya gotta do whatcha ya gotta do and I needed a new barn. They start >> putting up the new barn tomorrow. :) >> >> >> >> http://gasenginetom.com/Barker_sideshaft.html >> >> >> >> Tom Winland >> >> Ohio >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Chat with Messenger straight from your Hotmail inbox. >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?ocid=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_4:092009 >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Mon Dec 7 14:42:36 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:42:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Indiana.edu In-Reply-To: <6f6025160912071345w241ac9d7x1a5659ee01ab7798@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160912071345w241ac9d7x1a5659ee01ab7798@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Those were indeed good days Peter! And both Arnie and Rob were on the List. Given their jobs in the mid/late 1990's (Rob working for the KGB and Arnie for the CIA) their e-mails self-destructed 48 hours after they were sent. Dave On Dec 7, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > > > Arnie & Rob are not in here for some reason, this is dated October > 1998 but I felt sure that they were both on the List in those days, > maybe I didn't index them into separate folders within the email > programme. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Dec 7 15:22:35 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:22:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc> References: <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc> Message-ID: <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC> Yes that settles it Reg, they are all on the other side Kerry >I am surprised to see a Barker with the shaft on the other side. > All those here and the one I saw in UK have the shaft on the other side. > Enjoy. From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Dec 7 16:53:44 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:53:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Indiana.edu In-Reply-To: <6f6025160912071345w241ac9d7x1a5659ee01ab7798@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160912071345w241ac9d7x1a5659ee01ab7798@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6A84D203-9617-471B-A6BC-1BD5435585DD@rustyiron.com> On Dec 7, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Arnie & Rob are not in here for some reason, Because of the sensitive nature of many of my emails, they are encoded to self destruct in five seconds. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Dec 7 17:12:39 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:12:39 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Indiana.edu In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160912071345w241ac9d7x1a5659ee01ab7798@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0830E162-C293-4755-AB01-73CAF2168AA9@rustyiron.com> On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:42 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > their e-mails self-destructed 48 hours after > they were sent. > Dave Great minds... From rotigel at me.com Mon Dec 7 18:57:51 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:57:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Indiana.edu In-Reply-To: <0830E162-C293-4755-AB01-73CAF2168AA9@rustyiron.com> References: <6f6025160912071345w241ac9d7x1a5659ee01ab7798@mail.gmail.com> <0830E162-C293-4755-AB01-73CAF2168AA9@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: And 1700 miles apart at that! Dave PS, GREAT article on Hercules and Glenn in this months Hit & Miss! Did you send a copy to Marian? On Dec 7, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:42 PM, David Rotigel wrote: >> their e-mails self-destructed 48 hours after >> they were sent. >> Dave > > Great minds... > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Dec 7 19:18:08 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:18:08 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Indiana.edu In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160912071345w241ac9d7x1a5659ee01ab7798@mail.gmail.com> <0830E162-C293-4755-AB01-73CAF2168AA9@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <07C08E95-C417-4B93-BFD8-8E32E509C196@rustyiron.com> I did not. I was thinking that if Keith thought it appropriate, he would ask me to send him a copy to deliver to Marian, or I could mail it off direct, if I had her address. I've never met Marian. For that matter, if you think that young whipper snapper shown pillaging that 12 horse Hercules from under the barn would like a copy, I can send him one, as well. Rob On Dec 7, 2009, at 6:57 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > And 1700 miles apart at that! > Dave > PS, GREAT article on Hercules and Glenn in this months Hit & Miss! Did > you send a copy to Marian? From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Dec 7 20:17:42 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:17:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft References: <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc> <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC> Message-ID: OK,OK, I could have worded that better but I am suffering heat stroke! Thats my story and I am sticking to it. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Barker sideshaft > Yes that settles it Reg, they are all on the other side > > Kerry > > > >>I am surprised to see a Barker with the shaft on the other side. >> All those here and the one I saw in UK have the shaft on the other side. >> Enjoy. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustyjnk at ncbb.net Mon Dec 7 23:43:28 2009 From: rustyjnk at ncbb.net (norman karde) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:43:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] List Message-ID: <4B1E03A0.6050806@ncbb.net> members on list. NK From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com Tue Dec 8 01:07:50 2009 From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (rustyiron1) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:07:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Buzacott Farm Pumper References: <040f01ca7652$1a4250f0$8335c53e@doc><6E4CB0D8CF714591B796A8B739756A5B@Andy> <4B1D58AE.9040904@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <407D974830934974B1596B94EE25EF9D@Andy> Al, There was a small part of a Decal on the main body, but was that an add on by some one else? The Wico on the left hand side is the give away, but I can't prove it. I saw one in Darwin at the old Qantas hanger, and the owner assured me that it was a Buzacott. The flywheel I've got for it came of the same type of engine but in a worse condition. If I can't find out for sure, I'll badge it as a Buzacott, and let some one prove it as some thing else. I don't know if Glen has seen it or not, he was supposed to come down on Sunday, but with the new house he may have thought that was more important, ether way I'll have a go at him about it. I phoned Don Reid in Brisbane, he wasn't sure, he thought it may be a F&J, but would try and find out the date from the serial No. Andy..... Brandon Qld ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Buzacott Farm Pumper > Andy, > > it (the Pumper) has probably been made up from two to a dozen different > engines in its lifetime. > You know Glen has one that shows signs of this happening? I'm sure he > would be interested in anything that is uncovered here. > Good luck mate. > > BTW how did you identify it as a Buzacott (without the flywheel)? Decal? > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > rustyiron1 wrote: >> Hello All >> I need a bit of help trying to date a Buzacott Farm Pumper. >> Is there a Serial No.Register that some one is keeping? >> Edd Payne did help with some of the identifications on these Pumpers back >> in >> Aug03, >> but nothing about the model I have. >> This Pumper has the Wico on the left hand side (Looking at the Flywheel). >> It came without a Flywheel, but I have since source one, it has Serial >> No.4121 >> stamped on the arrow. >> Any idea's >> >> Andy..... >> Brandon Qld. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Dec 8 04:00:10 2009 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 12:00:10 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Pratt University Brooklyn, New York a bit OT Message-ID: <000b01ca77fd$ff03a2a0$42920556@intrepid> This was posted on the English Engine group & I don't remember it being mentioned on the USA groups. I find it a place of beauty even if it is steam not Internal combustion. The article seems to say that it doesn't have any preservation order on it and it could be removed. I wish it was near me! http://steampunkworkshop.com/visit-pratt-university-steam-plant Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Dec 8 06:56:10 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:56:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Pratt University Brooklyn, New York a bit OT In-Reply-To: <000b01ca77fd$ff03a2a0$42920556@intrepid> Message-ID: Dave: Thanks for the link! It's good to know that some organizations actually value their mechanical heritage. NOW, if the "asbestos freaks" can be held at bay............... Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Dave Croft > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 06:00 AM > To: atis > Cc: Oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Pratt University Brooklyn, New > York a bit OT From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Tue Dec 8 06:21:15 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:21:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: References: <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc>, <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC>, Message-ID: Now all of you guys have me confused, are all the others like mine or is mine different? Thanks Tom Winland Ohio > From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:17:42 +1100 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Barker sideshaft > > OK,OK, I could have worded that better but I am suffering heat stroke! > Thats my story and I am sticking to it. > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle. NSW. Australia > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerry" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:22 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Barker sideshaft > > > > Yes that settles it Reg, they are all on the other side > > > > Kerry > > > > > > > >>I am surprised to see a Barker with the shaft on the other side. > >> All those here and the one I saw in UK have the shaft on the other side. > >> Enjoy. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail gives you a free,exclusive gift. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?ocid=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_7:092009 From rotigel at me.com Tue Dec 8 07:09:14 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:09:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: References: <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc> <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC> Message-ID: Hi Tom, Yes! Dave On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Tom Winland wrote: > > Now all of you guys have me confused, are all the others like mine > or is mine different? > > Thanks > > Tom Winland From obise at moscow.com Tue Dec 8 07:31:41 2009 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:31:41 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Pratt University Brooklyn, New York a bit OT In-Reply-To: <000b01ca77fd$ff03a2a0$42920556@intrepid> References: <000b01ca77fd$ff03a2a0$42920556@intrepid> Message-ID: Thank you for the link, Dave. Forgive me for using a worn out adjective, but that's awesome. Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 4:00 AM To: atis Cc: Oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Pratt University Brooklyn, New York a bit OT This was posted on the English Engine group & I don't remember it being mentioned on the USA groups. I find it a place of beauty even if it is steam not Internal combustion. The article seems to say that it doesn't have any preservation order on it and it could be removed. I wish it was near me! http://steampunkworkshop.com/visit-pratt-university-steam-plant Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Dec 8 07:53:08 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:53:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pratt University Brooklyn, New York a bit OT In-Reply-To: <000b01ca77fd$ff03a2a0$42920556@intrepid> References: <000b01ca77fd$ff03a2a0$42920556@intrepid> Message-ID: Thanks much Dave....very KEWL !! Rickincoldassmontanaat22below From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue Dec 8 08:01:29 2009 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:01:29 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Webster brackets / ignitors Message-ID: <9736721004544D5C8803F21A06DBF9E9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi all , I was wondering does anybody know if there is someone out their that makes either or both of these things ? if so do you have any contact information for them. Thanks, Craig P.S; Dave I know that your answers will probably be yes and yes , but I would need more information than that. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Dec 8 08:34:53 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:34:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Indiana.edu In-Reply-To: <6A84D203-9617-471B-A6BC-1BD5435585DD@rustyiron.com> References: <6f6025160912071345w241ac9d7x1a5659ee01ab7798@mail.gmail.com> <6A84D203-9617-471B-A6BC-1BD5435585DD@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: And mine are written using those invisible neutrons rather than the more conventional electrons. They're all there, but you need special Detecto-Specs to see 'em. See ya, Arnie On Mon, December 7, 2009 7:53 pm, Rob Skinner wrote: > On Dec 7, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: >> Arnie & Rob are not in here for some reason, > > Because of the sensitive nature of many of my emails, they are encoded > to self destruct in five seconds. From g.fulton at encompassair.com Tue Dec 8 09:42:03 2009 From: g.fulton at encompassair.com (Garrett Fulton) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:42:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <348935.78345.qm@web603.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> g.fulton at encompassair.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 10:32:23 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:32:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Indiana.edu In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160912071345w241ac9d7x1a5659ee01ab7798@mail.gmail.com> <6A84D203-9617-471B-A6BC-1BD5435585DD@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160912081032j38a8b52x6a180b5e06e8098f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/8 Arnie Fero : > And mine are written using those invisible neutrons rather than the more > conventional electrons. ?They're all there, but you need special Detecto-Specs to > see 'em. > > See ya, ?Arnie What I would LOVE to find a copy of, is the Mourning Doves exchange between you and Rob. I've got part of it on paper print, but not the whole exchange. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 11:31:26 2009 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:31:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Indiana.edu In-Reply-To: <6f6025160912081032j38a8b52x6a180b5e06e8098f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160912071345w241ac9d7x1a5659ee01ab7798@mail.gmail.com> <6A84D203-9617-471B-A6BC-1BD5435585DD@rustyiron.com> <6f6025160912081032j38a8b52x6a180b5e06e8098f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160912081131r74b99dadj66b8959402fa727b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/8 Listerdiesel : > 2009/12/8 Arnie Fero : >> And mine are written using those invisible neutrons rather than the more >> conventional electrons. ?They're all there, but you need special Detecto-Specs to >> see 'em. >> >> See ya, ?Arnie > > What I would LOVE to find a copy of, is the Mourning Doves exchange > between you and Rob. > > I've got part of it on paper print, but not the whole exchange. Here's a part of it: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To: stationary-engine at atis.net Subject: Re: Morning Doves--OT From: MaytagTwin at aol.com Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:20:19 EDT In a message dated 7/28/2001 8:53:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, feroa at venus.pgh.wec.com writes: << im now trying to teach that black snake to fly since i aint got my doves no more. can you help me teach him to fly? arnie bill-bo >> Dear Arnie, I wish you wouldn't even make jokes about teaching that black snake to fly. Here at the Maytag Mansion on Poverty Ridge we are so poor we don't have any doves but we do have starlings. We used to have only a few nesting in the shed, but after hurricane Floyd, when the roof opened a little, we now have a nice flock nesting in the attic. Admittedly, our starlings make a sqwaking noise rather than the soothing cooing the doves make, and they tend to shit all over the clothes on the clothes line, but, they are friendly and always come out to say hello whenever I go out to pee under the lilac bush and that is more than the doves ever did, no wonder people around here shoot doves. But back to the point about not teaching your snake to fly. We have black snakes here, too, and while they are good about keeping down the rats and mice, they give my starlings a hard time and I want to know how to keep that from happening and I don't think teaching them to fly (the snakes) is any kind of answer. So far the best thing I have found is to put wads of plastic netting like you use to keep your cherry tree from having those damn birds eat all the cherries (not the starlings, the other birds) around where the snakes might crawl and when they try to crawl through the netting is works just like a gill net and you have yourself a nice fat black snake all ready for whatever you want to do with him. I apologize for writing about starlings instead of doves, but I really don't want to see snakes fly because then they wouldn't get caught in the fruit tree netting and they would be able to roam my attic and eat my baby starlings. Please hep. Ron PS: Does anyone have a good recipe for black snake, a friend wants to know. :>) PPS: Starlings are not blackbirds, so don't even start talking about how many for a pie. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Dec 8 13:36:37 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:36:37 EST Subject: [SEL] Webster brackets / ignitors Message-ID: Someone took over Ted Brookover's business on ignitors, but I do not know who. I know no one that is making repro brackets. Not much help. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From rotigel at me.com Tue Dec 8 17:07:30 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:07:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Webster brackets / ignitors In-Reply-To: <9736721004544D5C8803F21A06DBF9E9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <9736721004544D5C8803F21A06DBF9E9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: Hi Craig, For what is it that you need these parts? Dave On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:01 AM, craig morrison wrote: > Hi all , > I was wondering does anybody know if there is someone out > their that makes either or both of these things ? if so do you have > any contact information for them. > > Thanks, Craig > > > P.S; Dave I know that your answers will probably be yes and yes , > but I would need more information than that. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Tue Dec 8 17:30:30 2009 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:30:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Farm Pumper help Message-ID: <250557.37514.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gday Andy Looks like you still need more info on your pumper. I've got one of these and a few other Buzacotts. This's my .02. The 2 pumpers that I'm aware of that also had Wico EK's fitted are Buzacott and Southern Cross. The SC's look top have the EK on the RHS as looking at the flywheel (Kindschi, Vol 1 pg 115), Buzacotts on the left (like mine). Don't think a F&J ever had an EK fitted. Could be wrong -- never seen one but. So you've prob. got a Buzacott. Now the serial Nos. My several Buzacotts/rosebery's of various models seem to follow a simple sequence irrespective of the model type. I'm not in my shed, but my pumper is 9xxx so would put it about 1930, rotary mag 2A at 5xxx so 1925, 2HP and 5HP V verts at 10xxx so 1933, a wico EK model 2A at 10xxx so 1930's, 4HP W vert 129xx at about 1936 etc. So your flywheel you found at S/N 4121 is good and at about 1924 fits in well with 1923 the beginning of the EK mags. FYI, my Buzza has a small oval plate on the flywheel with I think (need to check) S/N in the arrow AND the crank hole cover in the side is made of sheetmetal NOT a casting. Might be a good guide. Hit me with your email direct and I can take some pics for you. Mine has the flywheel off at present due to crank bearings repair. I'm doing this by pressing out the whitemetal bearing (they're not poured in rough cast), machining in lathe then press in a bronze insert. Saves re-pouring whitemetal and having to line bore the crankcase (yuk) to keep it true. Hope this helps , Graham in Melb. __________________________________________________________________________________ See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/ From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Tue Dec 8 20:27:12 2009 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:27:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Farm Pumper help Message-ID: <4B1F2720.4050402@accnorwalk.com> F & J used an EK on their pumper engines in the states. Not sure if it was standard equipment on the later ones or an option. I thought Buzacotts were the Aussie version of the F&J or didn't that apply to the pumper engines? Doug T Gday Andy Don't think a F&J ever had an EK fitted. Could be wrong -- never seen one but. From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Dec 8 21:47:45 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:47:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Lake Forest show pics. Message-ID: <20091208.214817.19009.91882@mailpop01.vgs.untd.com> Hi all. Last Saturday my local club (WAPA) was invited again to display at the Lake Forest Victorian Christmas open house. Cool overcast day but a good crowd and lots of fun. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/LakeForest2009# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Water Heater Some like it hot. Click now for a reliable new water heater! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=gzagS2u5xJWQouwdEoWP3gAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGIAAAAAA= From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Tue Dec 8 22:56:32 2009 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:56:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Farm Pumper help References: <250557.37514.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Graham, I will have to catch with you about the casting patterns, maybe over xmas. also started to put videos of our blackstone engines on utube Brian Watts briwatt at optusnet.com.au (03) 97266147 Video at. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=brianvwatts&search_type=&aq=f http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat > Gday Andy > > Looks like you still need more info on your pumper. I've got one of these > and a few other Buzacotts. This's my .02. > > The 2 pumpers that I'm aware of that also had Wico EK's fitted are > Buzacott and Southern Cross. The SC's look top have the EK on the RHS as > looking at the flywheel (Kindschi, Vol 1 pg 115), Buzacotts on the left > (like mine). Don't think a F&J ever had an EK fitted. Could be wrong -- > never seen one but. So you've prob. got a Buzacott. > > Now the serial Nos. My several Buzacotts/rosebery's of various models seem > to follow a simple sequence irrespective of the model type. I'm not in my > shed, but my pumper is 9xxx so would put it about 1930, rotary mag 2A at > 5xxx so 1925, 2HP and 5HP V verts at 10xxx so 1933, a wico EK model 2A at > 10xxx so 1930's, 4HP W vert 129xx at about 1936 etc. > > So your flywheel you found at S/N 4121 is good and at about 1924 fits in > well with 1923 the beginning of the EK mags. FYI, my Buzza has a small > oval plate on the flywheel with I think (need to check) S/N in the arrow > AND the crank hole cover in the side is made of sheetmetal NOT a casting. > Might be a good guide. Hit me with your email direct and I can take some > pics for you. Mine has the flywheel off at present due to crank bearings > repair. I'm doing this by pressing out the whitemetal bearing (they're not > poured in rough cast), machining in lathe then press in a bronze insert. > Saves re-pouring whitemetal and having to line bore the crankcase (yuk) to > keep it true. > > Hope this helps , Graham in Melb. > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________________ > See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: > http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Wed Dec 9 03:38:13 2009 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:38:13 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Webster brackets / ignitors References: <9736721004544D5C8803F21A06DBF9E9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <36ED9B50C09149519E084E4B0C3CAFA9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi Dave, I need these parts either or , but preferable the Webster bracket for a Wiscona Pep engine of 1 1/2 hp. Someone has fabricated an ignitor which works from associated ignitor parts and it looks very much wrong for this type of engine. Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Webster brackets / ignitors > Hi Craig, For what is it that you need these parts? > Dave > > On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:01 AM, craig morrison wrote: > >> Hi all , >> I was wondering does anybody know if there is someone out >> their that makes either or both of these things ? if so do you have >> any contact information for them. >> >> Thanks, Craig >> >> >> P.S; Dave I know that your answers will probably be yes and yes , >> but I would need more information than that. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.98/2552 - Release Date: 12/08/09 07:34:00 From rotigel at me.com Wed Dec 9 17:42:29 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:42:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Webster brackets / ignitors In-Reply-To: <36ED9B50C09149519E084E4B0C3CAFA9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <9736721004544D5C8803F21A06DBF9E9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <36ED9B50C09149519E084E4B0C3CAFA9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: Have you tried Hit & Miss? Dave Anyone know the bracket #? I can't find my _Wendel's Little Notebook_! On Dec 9, 2009, at 6:38 AM, craig morrison wrote: > Hi Dave, I need these parts either or , but preferable the Webster > bracket > for a Wiscona Pep engine of 1 1/2 hp. Someone has fabricated an > ignitor > which works from associated ignitor parts and it looks very much > wrong for > this type of engine. > Craig > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:07 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Webster brackets / ignitors > > >> Hi Craig, For what is it that you need these parts? >> Dave >> >> On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:01 AM, craig morrison wrote: >> >>> Hi all , >>> I was wondering does anybody know if there is someone out >>> their that makes either or both of these things ? if so do you have >>> any contact information for them. >>> >>> Thanks, Craig >>> >>> >>> P.S; Dave I know that your answers will probably be yes and yes , >>> but I would need more information than that. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.98/2552 - Release Date: > 12/08/09 > 07:34:00 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Wed Dec 9 23:14:19 2009 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:14:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] farm pumper question Message-ID: <200255.65102.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Doug Correct, Buzacotts were just another of the many knock-off's of yankee engines! The first Co. to do pumpers was Langwill + Davies in Melb, very early perhaps pre-1920, almost an exact replica, but with mag (Dixie?). Others as mentioned with their various magneto types and positions up to the 1950's or so. The Kangaroo pumper (orchard sprayer) was a good one. A cast base, plain flywheel, rotary mag at back and pinion to drive a myers & bro. pump, vertical 1/2 barrel vat all on a cart with horse drawbars. Would like to find one of these! Then there was the no-name multimotor style, but not exactly like F&J's!! Nick's site is good for F&J or the 2 Vern Kindschi books. Graham >F & J used an EK on their pumper engines in the states. Not sure if it >was standard equipment on the later ones or an option. I thought >Buzacotts were the Aussie version of the F&J or didn't that apply to the >pumper engines? Doug T __________________________________________________________________________________ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/ From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Dec 10 12:33:42 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:33:42 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Memories !!! (a bit O.T.) Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091210213409.03486e10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, I just picked up a United States Motors Corp. Genset. Unfortunately the motor itself is past saving. Someone in it's past stripped everything out of it and just used the crankcase, bearings and crankshaft. A "Vee belt" pulley was fitted in place of the flywheel and it was then belted to a small Lister to provide the power. The genny itself as well as the electrical control board appears to be complete so I will have to find something to drive it. It's a 36 volt/42 (or maybe 4.2 I cannot see a "point" on the plate) amp @ 2600 R.P.M. unit. Beautiful etched brass plate painted in 2 colours but more of the genny later. Pics will follow soon. Anyway, the subject line says "Memories". While "Googling" for info I came across this page from Google books - Popular Science 1951 which carries an advert for United States Motors Corp. This brought back so many memories of childhood - I used to read "Popular Mechanics" and the part I remember most was all the fantastic adverts for such "cool stuff" at such affordable prices - "army surplus" - "electric motors" - "build it yourself plans" etc. How I dreamt of living in the USA and being able to buy some of those things!! Of course, in those days it was not as easy as today to order via the Internet. Buying (or importing) something from a magazine advert was just unheard of. I used to spend hours reading the adverts and dreaming what I could do with some of the great stuff advertised there. Everything was so cheap (in those days our currency was equal to the dollar)and prices were about 1/4 of what we would have to pay locally. Of course I had no money in those days but that was never a reason not to dream! I am sure that I enjoyed the adverts more than I enjoyed the actual articles. They certainly provided me with many hours of pleasurable dreaming !! Many years passed after I'd left home (without "Popular Mechanics" - my Dad used to buy them) and the local currency became weak against the US$ making the magazine a luxury which I could not afford. Then one day, probably about 15 years ago I came across them on the bookstore shelves again, but now as a "South African edition" and affordable. My heart jumped for joy and I bought one and rushed home to read it (actually I probably read it in my car outside the bookstore). What a disappointment - it never had all those great adverts anymore - no more 'bargains" - no more "army surplus" - no more "build it yourself plans" !! Just the same old adverts that all our other local mags had. I remember feeling devastated and "let down". That was the last "Popular Mechanics" I ever bought - I do not even know if there is a local edition anymore. O.K. that's enough rambling and memories - more about the genset later. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From gastzt at aol.com Thu Dec 10 13:33:38 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:33:38 EST Subject: [SEL] Memories !!! (a bit O.T.) Message-ID: Most likely 42 amp--- had one similar YEARS ago--- good luck with it! Stan Z Pleasanton, Tx From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Dec 10 14:44:21 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:44:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Memories !!! (a bit O.T.) References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091210213409.03486e10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <004b01ca79ea$5126b5c0$4d644b47@mikecomp> Jerry, Quit having so much fun and get back to my tags!!!! :) Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 3:33 PM Subject: [SEL] Memories !!! (a bit O.T.) > Hi All, > I just picked up a United States Motors Corp. Genset. > Unfortunately the motor itself is past saving. Someone in it's past > stripped everything out of it and just used the crankcase, bearings and > crankshaft. A "Vee belt" pulley was fitted in place of the flywheel and it > was then belted to a small Lister to provide the power. > > The genny itself as well as the electrical control board appears > to be complete so I will have to find something to drive it. It's a 36 > volt/42 (or maybe 4.2 I cannot see a "point" on the plate) amp @ 2600 > R.P.M. unit. Beautiful etched brass plate painted in 2 colours but more of > the genny later. Pics will follow soon. > > Anyway, the subject line says "Memories". While "Googling" for > info I came across this page from Google books - Popular Science 1951 > which > carries an advert for United States Motors Corp. > > > > > This brought back so many memories of childhood - I used to read > "Popular Mechanics" and the part I remember most was all the fantastic > adverts for such "cool stuff" at such affordable prices - "army surplus" - > "electric motors" - "build it yourself plans" etc. > > How I dreamt of living in the USA and being able to buy some of > those things!! Of course, in those days it was not as easy as today to > order via the Internet. Buying (or importing) something from a magazine > advert was just unheard of. I used to spend hours reading the adverts and > dreaming what I could do with some of the great stuff advertised there. > Everything was so cheap (in those days our currency was equal to the > dollar)and prices were about 1/4 of what we would have to pay locally. Of > course I had no money in those days but that was never a reason not to > dream! > > I am sure that I enjoyed the adverts more than I enjoyed the > actual articles. They certainly provided me with many hours of pleasurable > dreaming !! > > Many years passed after I'd left home (without "Popular Mechanics" > - my Dad used to buy them) and the local currency became weak against the > US$ making the magazine a luxury which I could not afford. Then one day, > probably about 15 years ago I came across them on the bookstore shelves > again, but now as a "South African edition" and affordable. My heart > jumped > for joy and I bought one and rushed home to read it (actually I probably > read it in my car outside the bookstore). What a disappointment - it never > had all those great adverts anymore - no more 'bargains" - no more "army > surplus" - no more "build it yourself plans" !! Just the same old adverts > that all our other local mags had. I remember feeling devastated and "let > down". That was the last "Popular Mechanics" I ever bought - I do not even > know if there is a local edition anymore. > > O.K. that's enough rambling and memories - more about the genset > later. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Thu Dec 10 15:57:34 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:57:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Memories !!! (a bit O.T.) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091210213409.03486e10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091210213409.03486e10@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <747DE309-76B5-44B1-941A-F3CD4ED07DDC@me.com> Hi Jerry, I know it's NOT the same, but see: http://www.popularmechanics.com/ Dave PS, You can't go back home! On Dec 10, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi All, > I just picked up a United States Motors Corp. Genset. > Unfortunately the motor itself is past saving. Someone in it's past > stripped everything out of it and just used the crankcase, bearings > and > crankshaft. A "Vee belt" pulley was fitted in place of the flywheel > and it > was then belted to a small Lister to provide the power. > > The genny itself as well as the electrical control board > appears > to be complete so I will have to find something to drive it. It's a 36 > volt/42 (or maybe 4.2 I cannot see a "point" on the plate) amp @ 2600 > R.P.M. unit. Beautiful etched brass plate painted in 2 colours but > more of > the genny later. Pics will follow soon. > > Anyway, the subject line says "Memories". While "Googling" for > info I came across this page from Google books - Popular Science > 1951 which > carries an advert for United States Motors Corp. > > > > > This brought back so many memories of childhood - I used to > read > "Popular Mechanics" and the part I remember most was all the fantastic > adverts for such "cool stuff" at such affordable prices - "army > surplus" - > "electric motors" - "build it yourself plans" etc. > > How I dreamt of living in the USA and being able to buy some > of > those things!! Of course, in those days it was not as easy as today to > order via the Internet. Buying (or importing) something from a > magazine > advert was just unheard of. I used to spend hours reading the > adverts and > dreaming what I could do with some of the great stuff advertised > there. > Everything was so cheap (in those days our currency was equal to the > dollar)and prices were about 1/4 of what we would have to pay > locally. Of > course I had no money in those days but that was never a reason not > to dream! > > I am sure that I enjoyed the adverts more than I enjoyed the > actual articles. They certainly provided me with many hours of > pleasurable > dreaming !! > > Many years passed after I'd left home (without "Popular > Mechanics" > - my Dad used to buy them) and the local currency became weak > against the > US$ making the magazine a luxury which I could not afford. Then one > day, > probably about 15 years ago I came across them on the bookstore > shelves > again, but now as a "South African edition" and affordable. My heart > jumped > for joy and I bought one and rushed home to read it (actually I > probably > read it in my car outside the bookstore). What a disappointment - it > never > had all those great adverts anymore - no more 'bargains" - no more > "army > surplus" - no more "build it yourself plans" !! Just the same old > adverts > that all our other local mags had. I remember feeling devastated and > "let > down". That was the last "Popular Mechanics" I ever bought - I do > not even > know if there is a local edition anymore. > > O.K. that's enough rambling and memories - more about the > genset > later. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Dec 10 16:22:36 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:22:36 +0200 Subject: [SEL] United States Motors Corp. genset Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091211021404.00b10468@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Any suggestions or help will be appreciated on this genset that just jumped onto my truck!!: Thanks in advance. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jbcast at charter.net Thu Dec 10 17:30:47 2009 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:30:47 -0800 Subject: [SEL] United States Motors Corp. genset In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091211021404.00b10468@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20091210203047.KS9XH.470110.root@mp20> Looks like a Briggs & Stratton A, I gave one away, still have two. It's a shame they are so far from you. J.B. From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Thu Dec 10 19:17:13 2009 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:17:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] United States Motors Corp. genset In-Reply-To: <20091210203047.KS9XH.470110.root@mp20> References: <20091210203047.KS9XH.470110.root@mp20> Message-ID: <4B21B9B9.6080900@accnorwalk.com> An A doesn't have a removable bearing plate on the PTO side. It would have to be a B or bigger. A "B" was only 2 1/2 HP up to a Z which would be rated anywhere from 4-6 HP. Doug T jbcast at charter.net wrote: > Looks like a Briggs & Stratton A, I gave one away, still have two. It's a shame they are so far from you. > J.B. > _______________________________________________ > > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Dec 11 07:29:53 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:29:53 +0200 Subject: [SEL] United States Motors Corp. genset/Update Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091211170600.00abb8c8@mail.atech.co.za> Hi Doug, JB and Brad, I think that I have have managed to correctly identify the engine as a Briggs Model B (2-3 H.P.). This after studying the manuals as well as this page on Asecc's site: It is bigger than the Model A but smaller than the K, Z, and ZZ. It also has the removable drive side bearing housing (not present on the A) but not the detachable cylinder as the K, Z and ZZ have. I also took the head off and the bore measures 2.6475" (Standard for the "B" is 2.625") so this one had been bored out. Another surprise awaited once I had the head off - No Crankshaft. The person who had modified it had replaced the crank with a straight shaft and thereby reduced the engine to a "bearing block" for the genny. I do know of 2 "Z" engines lying in an open yard about 500 miles away and have contacted the owner (also a collector) to see if they are repairable. If so, I may get them and replace the "B" with one of them. Failing that I will couple the genny up to a small Lister "as is" (including the present "bearing block" Briggs) and show it like that - all part of it's history after all !! At least the genny and it's very nice "control box' will be saved and will go into retirement in my shed. Thanks for your help and interest. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Fri Dec 11 07:47:21 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:47:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: References: , , <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc>, <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC>, , , Message-ID: For anyone interested I have listed the Barker on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110468706388 > From: rotigel at me.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:09:14 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Barker sideshaft > > Hi Tom, Yes! > Dave > > On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Tom Winland wrote: > > > > > Now all of you guys have me confused, are all the others like mine > > or is mine different? > > > > Thanks > > > > Tom Winland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From rotigel at me.com Fri Dec 11 08:02:38 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:02:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: References: <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc> <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC> Message-ID: <1CE343C0-8F17-4F0B-9F8D-9E0E61F9D969@me.com> NICE looking and running engine Tom! Dave On Dec 11, 2009, at 10:47 AM, Tom Winland wrote: > > For anyone interested I have listed the Barker on Ebay > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110468706388 > >> From: rotigel at me.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:09:14 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barker sideshaft >> >> Hi Tom, Yes! >> Dave >> >> On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Tom Winland wrote: >> >>> >>> Now all of you guys have me confused, are all the others like mine >>> or is mine different? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Tom Winland >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Dec 11 08:04:24 2009 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:04:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <070451F142EA496FBB704592BE32D5A9@tommyd0x52gkco> Tom, And the description says it has "Brass Bears" on it too! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY For anyone interested I have listed the Barker on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110468706388 From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 11 08:08:40 2009 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:08:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] United States Motors Corp. genset/Update In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091211170600.00abb8c8@mail.atech.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091211170600.00abb8c8@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: well done Jerry. There is merit in showing it either way. The way you found it, or the way it was supposed to be. Paul - N. IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] United States Motors Corp. genset/Update > Hi Doug, JB and Brad, > I think that I have have managed to correctly identify the engine > as a Briggs Model B (2-3 H.P.). This after studying the manuals as well as > this page on Asecc's site: > > > > It is bigger than the Model A but smaller than the K, Z, and ZZ. > It also has the removable drive side bearing housing (not present on the > A) > but not the detachable cylinder as the K, Z and ZZ have. > > I also took the head off and the bore measures 2.6475" (Standard > for the "B" is 2.625") so this one had been bored out. > > Another surprise awaited once I had the head off - No Crankshaft. > The person who had modified it had replaced the crank with a straight > shaft > and thereby reduced the engine to a "bearing block" for the genny. > > I do know of 2 "Z" engines lying in an open yard about 500 miles > away and have contacted the owner (also a collector) to see if they are > repairable. If so, I may get them and replace the "B" with one of them. > Failing that I will couple the genny up to a small Lister "as is" > (including the present "bearing block" Briggs) and show it like that - all > part of it's history after all !! At least the genny and it's very nice > "control box' will be saved and will go into retirement in my shed. > > Thanks for your help and interest. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Fri Dec 11 08:15:03 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:15:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: <070451F142EA496FBB704592BE32D5A9@tommyd0x52gkco> References: , <070451F142EA496FBB704592BE32D5A9@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: LOL, guess I missed that one when I proof read it. No wonder I didn't do well in English class LOL Tom Winland Ohio > Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:04:24 -0500 > From: lcjudge at scrtc.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Barker sideshaft > > Tom, > And the description says it has "Brass Bears" on it too! > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > For anyone interested I have listed the Barker on Ebay > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110468706388 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Fri Dec 11 08:17:22 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:17:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: <1CE343C0-8F17-4F0B-9F8D-9E0E61F9D969@me.com> References: , , <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc>, <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC>, , , , , <1CE343C0-8F17-4F0B-9F8D-9E0E61F9D969@me.com> Message-ID: Thanks Dave, I hate to part with it but gotta pay for the new engine barn to put the rest of the toys in > From: rotigel at me.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:02:38 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Barker sideshaft > > NICE looking and running engine Tom! > Dave > > On Dec 11, 2009, at 10:47 AM, Tom Winland wrote: > > > > > For anyone interested I have listed the Barker on Ebay > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110468706388 > > > >> From: rotigel at me.com > >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:09:14 -0500 > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Barker sideshaft > >> > >> Hi Tom, Yes! > >> Dave > >> > >> On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Tom Winland wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Now all of you guys have me confused, are all the others like mine > >>> or is mine different? > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> Tom Winland > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Dec 11 09:43:15 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:43:15 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Memories !!! (a bit O.T.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091211193933.05b13a38@mail.atech.co.za> At 07:00 PM 11/12/2009, you wrote: >Message: 4 >Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:57:34 -0500 >From: David Rotigel >Subject: Re: [SEL] Memories !!! (a bit O.T.) >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <747DE309-76B5-44B1-941A-F3CD4ED07DDC at me.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > >Hi Jerry, I know it's NOT the same, but see: http://www.popularmechanics.com/ > Dave >PS, You can't go back home! Thanks for the link Dave, I'll look into it as soon as I have a bit of spare time. A few months back ISTR that someone also sent a link to Google Books for the old issues of Popular Mechanics. Unfortunately I've lost it - would that person please care to repost it. many thanks, Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From rustyjnk at ncbb.net Fri Dec 11 09:47:59 2009 From: rustyjnk at ncbb.net (norman karde) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:47:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] list Message-ID: <4B2285CF.4020206@ncbb.net> copy for file. NK From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Dec 11 09:47:46 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:47:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Briggs manuals Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091211194330.00afc470@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, For those who may be interested (and not know) most of the manuals for old Briggs and Stratton engines are available for free download from the Briggs site here: I hope this is useful. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Dec 11 10:18:43 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:18:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: References: , , <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc>, <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC>, , , Message-ID: <5270480ea8599c8091b86ccd5453ca7b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Tom, One other comment on your description. It doesn't say if the sideshaft is located on this side or on the other side. ISTR that was quite a point of discussion on the list. You might want to clear that up. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Fri, December 11, 2009 10:47 am, Tom Winland wrote: > For anyone interested I have listed the Barker on Ebay > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110468706388 From rotigel at me.com Fri Dec 11 10:31:21 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:31:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: <5270480ea8599c8091b86ccd5453ca7b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc> <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC> <5270480ea8599c8091b86ccd5453ca7b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6B3BBDFC-C130-4EEA-BA3C-1F8544B7745B@me.com> Arnie, The pictures CLEARLY show that it's on the "same side" as the flyball governor, NOT "the other side." Dave PS, The real question is which side are the bears on! On Dec 11, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Tom, > > One other comment on your description. It doesn't say if the > sideshaft is located > on this side or on the other side. ISTR that was quite a point of > discussion on the > list. You might want to clear that up. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, December 11, 2009 10:47 am, Tom Winland wrote: >> For anyone interested I have listed the Barker on Ebay >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110468706388 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at rustyiron.com Fri Dec 11 11:48:28 2009 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:48:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [SEL] list In-Reply-To: <4B2285CF.4020206@ncbb.net> References: <4B2285CF.4020206@ncbb.net> Message-ID: <59268.168.215.206.73.1260560908.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Norman, WHAT are all these senseless emails you keep sending to the SEL? Curt > copy for file. NK > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Dec 11 11:55:02 2009 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:55:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Memories !!! (a bit O.T.) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091211193933.05b13a38@mail.atech.co.za> References: Hi Jerry, I attached a message below. Is this the one you are looking for? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================= > From: jerrye at databak.co.za > > > A few months back ISTR that someone also sent a link to Google > Books for the old issues of Popular Mechanics. Unfortunately I've lost it - > would that person please care to repost it. ====================================== Gas Power? From: Ken Christison (christison at coastalnet.com) Sent: Mon 8/03/09 12:40 AM I do a lot of google book searches, and one that I have found worthwhile lately are issues of Gas Power magazine. These are full of great ads and useful info on engines and tractors. The files are large, so a fast connection is a must. http://books.google.com/books?q=editions:0CZKJjGNvSEgPzl4A8&id=tLHNAAAAMAAJ And here is another one titled Gas Engine: http://books.google.com/books?q=editions:07Ltb5KJiHDMXPTD9G&id=0_vNAAAAMAAJ&as_brr=1 Hope they wrap for you. If not you might need to copy and paste the urls. Hope someone finds this info useful. There are numerous great books available for download, so if you are interested, you might want to search and download all you can before someone decides they can charge us for them. The links above are for the full issues, and not previews or snippets. Take care. Ken _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Dec 11 12:58:21 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 07:58:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft References: , , <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc>, <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC>, , , <5270480ea8599c8091b86ccd5453ca7b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <747F8A06998144B685F60EF710765FA7@regpc> Ya just dont let up, do ya? Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Barker sideshaft > Tom, > > One other comment on your description. It doesn't say if the sideshaft is > located > on this side or on the other side. ISTR that was quite a point of > discussion on the > list. You might want to clear that up. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, December 11, 2009 10:47 am, Tom Winland wrote: >> For anyone interested I have listed the Barker on Ebay >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110468706388 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Dec 11 13:10:32 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:10:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: <747F8A06998144B685F60EF710765FA7@regpc> References: , , <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc>, <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC>, , , <5270480ea8599c8091b86ccd5453ca7b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <747F8A06998144B685F60EF710765FA7@regpc> Message-ID: Arnie WE worked it out they are ALL on the other side, so no need for Tom to clear it up Hope this helps Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz > >> Tom, >> >> One other comment on your description. It doesn't say if the sideshaft >> is >> located >> on this side or on the other side. ISTR that was quite a point of >> discussion on the >> list. You might want to clear that up. 8-)) >> >> See ya, Arnie From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Dec 11 13:54:10 2009 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:54:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft In-Reply-To: References: <19A5CF3F5C714283AFE3EB010AE1C5D9@regpc> <0DD1FF41402C42C3A61DFCE4D1D15C96@KerryPC> <5270480ea8599c8091b86ccd5453ca7b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <747F8A06998144B685F60EF710765FA7@regpc> Message-ID: <20091211215352.E4243FC035@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au> I wonder if the same principles apply for a vertical side shaft engine? Without the engine pointing east or west Reg might need some help; kinda like knowing which side of a tree is the front or the back of the tree; if you get my meaning mmmmm ! So is the side shaft on a vertical engine at the front of the engine or the back of the engine?? Might be one we need to the girls to answer. Russell At 08:10 AM 12/12/2009, you wrote: >Arnie WE worked it out they are ALL on the other side, so no need for Tom to >clear it up > >Hope this helps > >Kerry >Lithgow NSW Oz > > > >> Tom, > >> > >> One other comment on your description. It doesn't say if the sideshaft > >> is > >> located > >> on this side or on the other side. ISTR that was quite a point of > >> discussion on the > >> list. You might want to clear that up. 8-)) > >> > >> See ya, Arnie > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Dec 11 15:25:28 2009 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:25:28 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft Message-ID: <20091211.152603.428.100550@mailpop05.vgs.untd.com> A vertical to us would be an inverted to Reg. The down under thing. (sorry Reg) Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:54:10 +1100 Russell Gilbert writes: > I wonder if the same principles apply for a vertical side shaft > engine? Without the engine pointing east or west Reg might need some > > help; kinda like knowing which side of a tree is the front or the > back of the tree; if you get my meaning mmmmm ! > > So is the side shaft on a vertical engine at the front of the engine > > or the back of the engine?? Might be one we need to the girls to > answer. > Russell ____________________________________________________________ Hotel Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=nKeKqHmguI1lj1ql4xFvywAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATRAAAAAA= From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Fri Dec 11 16:23:48 2009 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:23:48 EST Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft Message-ID: easy to find the back side of a tree, its were there is a turd as everyone goes behind a tree for a s##t Peter Woodmore. peterwoodmore at aol.com Skype name Woadmere From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Dec 11 17:18:41 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:18:41 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Barker sideshaft References: <20091211.152603.428.100550@mailpop05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <7926D3D29AF6402FB44BA818984D87CB@regpc> I am getting used to it ! (Sigh) Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "rdhaskell" To: Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Barker sideshaft > A vertical to us would be an inverted to Reg. The down under thing. > (sorry Reg) > > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:54:10 +1100 Russell Gilbert > writes: >> I wonder if the same principles apply for a vertical side shaft >> engine? Without the engine pointing east or west Reg might need some >> >> help; kinda like knowing which side of a tree is the front or the >> back of the tree; if you get my meaning mmmmm ! >> >> So is the side shaft on a vertical engine at the front of the engine >> >> or the back of the engine?? Might be one we need to the girls to >> answer. >> Russell > ____________________________________________________________ > Hotel > Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=nKeKqHmguI1lj1ql4xFvywAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATRAAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Dec 12 05:34:09 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 06:34:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential Message-ID: I'm at loss here gang and need some advice. My grandson's 2002 Avalanche 1500, with small V-8 has a terrible sound in the front end..both in 2wd and worse in 4wd. I believe I've found the problem with the left output(flange) on the front differential. The axial play on that flange is well over a quarter of an inch. The differential assy. looks to be a straight up remove and replace but was wondering if anyone on the list has had the same encounter and if there were any surprises. The internet is not much help...a shop manual costs 120 rockets. Today I will drain the diff. fluid and see if it's throwing metal. Any help is APPRECIATED, RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Dec 12 05:58:15 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 06:58:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry I should have also stated that the left output(flange) oil seal is leaking also....suspect bearing going out. Also am led to believe the differential assembly is SKU 3069725 Rick From ddotto at cableone.net Sat Dec 12 07:09:30 2009 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:09:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rick I have a 2002 GMC Sierra 1/2 ton PU; probably the same drive train as the Avalanche. I had my front differential repaired under warranty due to a poor bearing retainer design. The way I understand there are some lock plates with tabs that get bent down to secure the bearings. I guess the tabs brake off and you then loose the preload on the assy. Mine started out with a very faint tic, tic, tic, when turning a corner at low speed. I got it into that dealer right away and they repaired it. I'm pretty sure they now have redesigned bearing retainers; so you will want to be sure to get them. Because I didn't do the work; I can't answer your question about how hard of a job it is. Dave In cold snowy Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:34 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential I'm at loss here gang and need some advice. My grandson's 2002 Avalanche 1500, with small V-8 has a terrible sound in the front end..both in 2wd and worse in 4wd. I believe I've found the problem with the left output(flange) on the front differential. The axial play on that flange is well over a quarter of an inch. The differential assy. looks to be a straight up remove and replace but was wondering if anyone on the list has had the same encounter and if there were any surprises. The internet is not much help...a shop manual costs 120 rockets. Today I will drain the diff. fluid and see if it's throwing metal. Any help is APPRECIATED, RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4680 (20091211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4680 (20091211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4680 (20091211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Dec 12 08:01:09 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:01:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Dave in cold and snowy Idaho :-) Do you know if you have 3.73 gears or 4.11's? So far one is 600 rockets with the other around 1300..minus labor. What size engine do you have? Rick in just coldass Montana > Hi Rick > > I have a 2002 GMC Sierra 1/2 ton PU; probably the same drive train as the > Avalanche. From enginepaul at gmail.com Sat Dec 12 08:04:10 2009 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:04:10 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0912120804r4755a898y6a22300f3362c642@mail.gmail.com> Not much help from me, but you might want to look here for starters: http://www.chevyavalanchefanclub.com/cafcna/index.php?PHPSESSID=88ffbf3c5a71b3b6860c719de8547c61&board=14.0 Also Google other models that have the same suspension and add the word "liist" or club to it and you may get first hand repair advice. (The same way people might find this list) I think Auto Zone and others have recall lists on line and if youir problem is a factory problem, they fix it free. Did you try e-bay for a manual? I've got my recent ones there and some special tools at reasonable prices too. One hour in a repair shop in SanFran Bay Area is $120, give or take a little; maybe manuals aren't so expensive. Good luck, Paul in California From ddotto at cableone.net Sat Dec 12 09:27:23 2009 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:27:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B4743BB7F2F460B9FCF2E5424B8C518@shop> Hi Rick I pretty sure they are the 3.73 gears; I caught mine quick enough that all they did was install new retainers and bearings. Here is a list of the parts they used; 2 9420095 Bearing 2 15801507 Seal 1 12471590 Seal 1 26053758 Bearing 1 9413427 BRG ASM-R 2 15588312 Lock Diff 1 1052943 Sealant 2 89021677 Gear Lube 2 12378392 Cleaner 1 12479162 Spacer This is what the Tech wrote on the repair bill. Front end noise: Found that one of the locking tabs was broken in the front diff. Letting the adjuster move and putting the ring gear to far from the ring gear. Replace locking tabs, side bearings, Pinion Bearings, and axle seals. Set up the ring and pinion. Hope this helps, DAve -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:01 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential Thanks Dave in cold and snowy Idaho :-) Do you know if you have 3.73 gears or 4.11's? So far one is 600 rockets with the other around 1300..minus labor. What size engine do you have? Rick in just coldass Montana > Hi Rick > > I have a 2002 GMC Sierra 1/2 ton PU; probably the same drive train as the > Avalanche. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4680 (20091211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4680 (20091211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4680 (20091211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From ddotto at cableone.net Sat Dec 12 09:48:36 2009 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:48:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9CCBE6296BC24D608F4B97265DABF20A@shop> Rick It has the 5.3L V8 Dave -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:01 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential Thanks Dave in cold and snowy Idaho :-) Do you know if you have 3.73 gears or 4.11's? So far one is 600 rockets with the other around 1300..minus labor. What size engine do you have? Rick in just coldass Montana > Hi Rick > > I have a 2002 GMC Sierra 1/2 ton PU; probably the same drive train as the > Avalanche. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4680 (20091211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4680 (20091211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4680 (20091211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Dec 12 10:26:10 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:26:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Memories !!! (a bit O.T.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091212202254.022409a8@mail.atech.co.za> At 07:00 PM 12/12/2009, you wrote: >Message: 7 >Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:55:02 +0000 >From: Luke Tonneberger >Subject: Re: [SEL] Memories !!! (a bit O.T.) > >Hi Jerry, >I attached a message below. Is this the one you are looking for? >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA > > > >Gas Power? >From: >Ken Christison >I do a lot of google book searches, and one that I have found worthwhile >lately >are issues of Gas Power magazine. These are full of great ads and >useful info >on engines and tractors. The files are large, so a fast connection is a >must. >http://books.google.com/books?q=editions:0CZKJjGNvSEgPzl4A8&id=tLHNAAAAMAAJ >And here is another one titled Gas Engine: >http://books.google.com/books?q=editions:07Ltb5KJiHDMXPTD9G&id=0_vNAAAAMAAJ&as_brr=1 > >Hope they wrap for you. If not you might need to copy and paste the urls. > Hope someone finds this info useful. There are numerous great books >available for download, >so if you are interested, you might want to search and download all you >can before someone decides >they can charge us for them. The links above are for the full issues, >and not previews or snippets. >Take care. >Ken Hi Luke, Thanks for that, I'm not sure if they are the same as I was thinking about but still very interesting. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From alkamminga at hotmail.com Sat Dec 12 16:45:29 2009 From: alkamminga at hotmail.com (Al Kamminga) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:45:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The problem you describe is a common problem. There is not a recall on it. Go to www.obd2.com to get recalls. The most common transmission in the 1500 Avi is the 4L60 but a 4180E was available in a beefed up version. Both have the 5.3 engine. According to the young guy I'm helping (Lincoln Tech trained) the differential is a bear to get out but the repair is easy. You may need a special tool though. A lot of stuff has to be removed to get the diff out. If you or anyone wants information on this or any vehicle he will gladly answer your questions. He can be emailed at hotrodjeff19 at yahoo.com. If you need to call him request his number. He keeps my 04 Avi, 01 Monte, 02 Grand Am, and 94 Firebird all running. Also works on the Cub Cadet, Speedex, and other lawn type engines for me. He is not allowed to touch the 07 Honda Goldwing though. It is amazing he can't understand how our old engines work. Sucking fuel is a concept foreign to him. I'm working on that though. Give him a vehicle with a computer and he knows it. He hears a car going down the street and tells me which engine it has. All I know is it runs. Al Kamminga NW Indiana alkamminga at hotmail.com > From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 06:34:09 -0700 > Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential > > > I'm at loss here gang and need some advice. My grandson's 2002 Avalanche > 1500, with small V-8 has a terrible sound in the front end..both in 2wd and > worse in 4wd. I believe I've found the problem with the left output(flange) > on the front differential. The axial play on that flange is well over a > quarter of an inch. The differential assy. looks to be a straight up remove > and replace but was wondering if anyone on the list has had the same > encounter and if there were any surprises. > > The internet is not much help...a shop manual costs 120 rockets. > > Today I will drain the diff. fluid and see if it's throwing metal. > > Any help is APPRECIATED, > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Dec 12 19:11:27 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:11:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential In-Reply-To: <2B4743BB7F2F460B9FCF2E5424B8C518@shop> References: <2B4743BB7F2F460B9FCF2E5424B8C518@shop> Message-ID: Thanks Dave and Al for taking the time and effort...means a lot! Well here's a pix of the drain plug...that's metallaic fuzz and we say in the aircraft world...not many chips. There's an 1/8" dia. x ~3/8's long magnet in there somewhere. http://family.webshots.com/album/575899863snXacI Took over 7 hrs for the local Chevy dealer to call me back. The assembly is no long available and have to wait till Monday to find the proper rebuild replacement. I don't think a repair is in order with all that fuzz floating around so will go with replacement. And Al thanks for the R&R info. It looked like a drop-out, drop-in module.....do appreciate the info. Merry Christmas all; Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Otto" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential > Hi Rick > > I pretty sure they are the 3.73 gears; I caught mine quick enough that all > they did was install new retainers and bearings. > > Here is a list of the parts they used; > 2 9420095 Bearing > 2 15801507 Seal > 1 12471590 Seal > 1 26053758 Bearing > 1 9413427 BRG ASM-R > 2 15588312 Lock Diff > 1 1052943 Sealant > 2 89021677 Gear Lube > 2 12378392 Cleaner > 1 12479162 Spacer > > This is what the Tech wrote on the repair bill. > > Front end noise: Found that one of the locking tabs was broken in the > front > diff. Letting the adjuster move and putting the ring gear to far from the > ring gear. Replace locking tabs, side bearings, Pinion Bearings, and axle > seals. Set up the ring and pinion. > > Hope this helps, > DAve > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:01 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential > > Thanks Dave in cold and snowy Idaho :-) > > Do you know if you have 3.73 gears or 4.11's? So far one is 600 rockets > with the other around 1300..minus labor. What size engine do you have? > > Rick in just coldass Montana > > > > > Hi Rick > > > > I have a 2002 GMC Sierra 1/2 ton PU; probably the same drive train as > > the > > Avalanche. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4680 (20091211) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4680 (20091211) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4680 (20091211) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Dec 12 19:17:49 2009 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:17:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0912120804r4755a898y6a22300f3362c642@mail.gmail.com> References: <8d3c36fb0912120804r4755a898y6a22300f3362c642@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: and thanks much to you Paul. Forums can be a great help. Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. Johns" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Way OT...2002 Avalanche 1500 front differential > Not much help from me, but you might want to look here for starters: > http://www.chevyavalanchefanclub.com/cafcna/index.php?PHPSESSID=88ffbf3c5a71b3b6860c719de8547c61&board=14.0 > > Also Google other models that have the same suspension and add the word > "liist" or club to it and you may get first hand repair advice. (The same > way people might find this list) > > I think Auto Zone and others have recall lists on line and if youir > problem > is a factory problem, they fix it free. > > Did you try e-bay for a manual? I've got my recent ones there and some > special tools at reasonable prices too. One hour in a repair shop in > SanFran > Bay Area is $120, give or take a little; maybe manuals aren't so > expensive. > > Good luck, > Paul in California > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au Mon Dec 14 01:40:40 2009 From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Domeney Brothers) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:40:40 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New Topic: Hills Diesel Message-ID: <09E69D0E1B414C57A9E64E24A9833E5D@shed> Hi there, engine lovers I was reading through the February 1936 edition of "The RUDDER-The Magazine for Yachtsmen" ( mail is fairly slow here from USA) when I came on a story about the new Hill Diesel Engine. A single cylinder marine engine developing from 10-15 hp, and designed by Mr R E Olds (I assume of Oldsmobile fame). The interesting feature of the engine is the design, no cylinder head, two pistons in the cylinder come together to create the compression, and power is transmitted by rocker shafts to the crankshaft. It is identical (but only 1/3 the size) of the Tilling Stevens engine used by the Rootes Group in England for the Commer truck. Napier engines also used a similar system with large engines and 3 banks of cylinders. However, this Hill engine predates the Tilling Stevens unit by 12 years. An interesting claim made in the story is that the engine could be dismantled, new piston rings fitted, the engine reassembled and be running again in 5 minutes. Were the Hill engines sold in any numbers? Do any still exist today? Can anyone out there add to the story, please? With thanks Teddy From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Dec 14 09:52:37 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:52:37 +0200 Subject: [SEL] New Topic: Hills Diesel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091214194253.0227c820@mail.atech.co.za> At 07:00 PM 14/12/2009, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:40:40 +1100 >From: "Domeney Brothers" >Subject: [SEL] New Topic: Hills Diesel >To: >Message-ID: <09E69D0E1B414C57A9E64E24A9833E5D at shed> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi there, engine lovers >I was reading through the February 1936 edition of "The RUDDER-The >Magazine for Yachtsmen" ( mail is fairly slow here from USA) when I came >on a story about the new Hill Diesel Engine. A single cylinder marine >engine developing from 10-15 hp, and designed by Mr R E Olds (I assume of >Oldsmobile fame). > >The interesting feature of the engine is the design, no cylinder head, two >pistons in the cylinder come together to create the compression, and power >is transmitted by rocker shafts to the crankshaft. > >It is identical (but only 1/3 the size) of the Tilling Stevens engine used >by the Rootes Group in England for the Commer truck. Napier engines also >used a similar system with large engines and 3 banks of cylinders. > >However, this Hill engine predates the Tilling Stevens unit by 12 years. > >An interesting claim made in the story is that the engine could be >dismantled, new piston rings fitted, the engine reassembled and be running >again in 5 minutes. > >Were the Hill engines sold in any numbers? Do any still exist today? Can >anyone out there add to the story, please? > >With thanks > >Teddy Hi Teddy, And to think - I thought our post was slow!! Google finds a lot of info on the engine as well as a copy of the 1937 patent with clear drawings here: According to this his name was Ransom E Olds and it looks like the first patent was filed in 1934. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 14 10:42:39 2009 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:42:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Hemphill Diesel School Book Message-ID: <606055.40205.qm@web112613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi, A good friend recently gave me a book from the Hemphill Diesel Training School, dated 1936. I would like to scan it and place it on my website (1020titan.com)?for free downloading, but am wondering if there is a better way than making .pdfs with Acrobat. So, my question is.... what method would you suggest? Scanning as images or pdfs or what have you? I would greatly appreciate your input. Thanks, Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan From frm8198 at aol.com Mon Dec 14 11:13:30 2009 From: frm8198 at aol.com (frm8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:13:30 EST Subject: [SEL] New Topic: Hills Diesel Message-ID: <15a8.2fabdf9d.3857e85a@aol.com> Thanks. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 In a message dated 12/14/2009 10:25:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, jerrye at databak.co.za writes: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/2099371.html From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Dec 14 15:16:45 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:16:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Hemphill Diesel School Book In-Reply-To: <606055.40205.qm@web112613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <606055.40205.qm@web112613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey, Joe. The question has often kept me awake at night, yet I have not come up with a better method than pdf for sharing multi-page literature. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Dec 14, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Joe Prindle wrote: > Hi, > A good friend recently gave me a book from the Hemphill Diesel > Training School, dated 1936. I would like to scan it and place it on > my website (1020titan.com) for free downloading, but am wondering if > there is a better way than making .pdfs with Acrobat. > So, my question is.... what method would you suggest? Scanning as > images or pdfs or what have you? > I would greatly appreciate your input. > Thanks, > Joe > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." > Spike Milligan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 14 17:15:07 2009 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:15:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Hemphill Diesel School Book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161863.76163.qm@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks, Rob. I am also fond of the pdf. The one thing that I don't like about it is that all it is a line of text on my page linking to the file. Perhaps I need to use a thumbnail of the cover as the link. I think that I will try breaking it down into sections for download, with a description of what is in each part. Thanks, Joe Joe Prindle Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Rob Skinner wrote: From: Rob Skinner Subject: Re: [SEL] Hemphill Diesel School Book To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 5:16 PM Hey, Joe.? The question has often kept me awake at night, yet I have? not come up with a better method than pdf for sharing multi-page? literature. ??? Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Dec 14, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Joe Prindle wrote: > Hi, > A good friend recently gave me a book from the Hemphill Diesel? > Training School, dated 1936. I would like to scan it and place it on? > my website (1020titan.com) for free downloading, but am wondering if? > there is a better way than making .pdfs with Acrobat. > So, my question is.... what method would you suggest? Scanning as? > images or pdfs or what have you? > I would greatly appreciate your input. > Thanks, > Joe > Joe Prindle > Baraboo, WI USA > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy."? > Spike Milligan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au Tue Dec 15 11:21:05 2009 From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:21:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New Topic: Hills Diesel Message-ID: Thanks Jerry Dumb me, I didnt think to Go Ogle on this one. Certainly is the same machine that was written up in "The Rudder". Were any or many ever built? Any out there still? With Thanks Teddy From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue Dec 15 14:12:28 2009 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:12:28 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Up-date on my accident Message-ID: <4B5E53FE2BD84A50AA690C29514774D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi guy's, Today I returned to hospital for my first check up after my recent accident, they took several x-rays (now I also glow in the dark like Dr Fero) after which I spent some time with the consultant who is really pleased with how things look at the moment. They showed me the x-rays and all I can say is what with the higher prices of scrap metal at the moment I have aprice on my head, there were 12 screws and 8 plates inserted to hold everything in place, these will be a Permanente feature so heres to no problems with airport security on my future trips. Cheers , Craig From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Dec 15 14:40:18 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:40:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Up-date on my accident In-Reply-To: <4B5E53FE2BD84A50AA690C29514774D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <4B5E53FE2BD84A50AA690C29514774D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <0d3b46d30bec8d3154ba5d76299066c8.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Craig, Is the embedded hardware titanium or stainless steel? You could really be worth some money! BTW, that "glow in the dark" thing? The gals LOVE that. Be sure to mention that you glow in the dark when you're chatting them up in the local pub and be sure to ask them if they'd like to see. Trust me on that one. 8->> See ya, Arnie PS - Glad that you're nicely on the mend!! PPS - Do your docs provide you with a card or something that explains that you're a walking hardware store? I'd hate to try and get past airport security with only a smile and a cheery "Trust Me" when all the alarms are buzzing and gonging. PPPS - OTOH, you might come to LIKE the body cavity searches... On Tue, December 15, 2009 5:12 pm, craig morrison wrote: > Today I returned to hospital for my first check up after my recent accident, > they took several x-rays (now I also glow in the dark like Dr Fero) after which > I spent some time with the consultant who is really pleased with how things look > at the moment. > They showed me the x-rays and all I can say is what with the higher prices of > scrap metal at the moment I have aprice on my head, there were 12 screws and 8 > plates inserted to hold everything in place, these will be a Permanente feature > so heres to no problems with airport security on my future trips. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Dec 15 14:45:00 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:45:00 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Up-date on my accident References: <4B5E53FE2BD84A50AA690C29514774D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <79717EBF49C045C58CF62536EDD8245B@regpc> Ha! You should see the CRAP I go through flying these days. "Tin knees? Naah! Ya got a bomb up yer bum!We know these things". Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:12 AM Subject: [SEL] Up-date on my accident > Hi guy's, > > Today I returned to hospital for my first check up after my recent > accident, they took several x-rays (now I also glow in the dark like Dr > Fero) after which I spent some time with the consultant who is really > pleased with how things look at the moment. > They showed me the x-rays and all I can say is what with the higher > prices of scrap metal at the moment I have aprice on my head, there were > 12 screws and 8 plates inserted to hold everything in place, these will be > a Permanente feature so heres to no problems with airport security on my > future trips. > > Cheers , Craig > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Dec 15 14:46:36 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:46:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Up-date on my accident References: <4B5E53FE2BD84A50AA690C29514774D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <0d3b46d30bec8d3154ba5d76299066c8.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <1738F3A189934F1AAD6CF221B8FC9F05@regpc> And you always let them feel your radioactive 'Core Sample' ?? Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Up-date on my accident > Hi Craig, > > Is the embedded hardware titanium or stainless steel? > You could really be worth some money! > > BTW, that "glow in the dark" thing? The gals LOVE that. Be sure to > mention that > you glow in the dark when you're chatting them up in the local pub and be > sure to > ask them if they'd like to see. Trust me on that one. 8->> > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Glad that you're nicely on the mend!! > > PPS - Do your docs provide you with a card or something that explains that > you're a > walking hardware store? I'd hate to try and get past airport security > with only a > smile and a cheery "Trust Me" when all the alarms are buzzing and gonging. > > PPPS - OTOH, you might come to LIKE the body cavity searches... > > On Tue, December 15, 2009 5:12 pm, craig morrison wrote: >> Today I returned to hospital for my first check up after my recent >> accident, >> they took several x-rays (now I also glow in the dark like Dr Fero) after >> which >> I spent some time with the consultant who is really pleased with how >> things look >> at the moment. >> They showed me the x-rays and all I can say is what with the higher >> prices of >> scrap metal at the moment I have aprice on my head, there were 12 screws >> and 8 >> plates inserted to hold everything in place, these will be a Permanente >> feature >> so heres to no problems with airport security on my future trips. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Dec 15 14:58:56 2009 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:58:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Up-date on my accident In-Reply-To: <4B5E53FE2BD84A50AA690C29514774D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <4B5E53FE2BD84A50AA690C29514774D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: Hi Craig, I think they left out 4 screws! Should be 2 screws per plate. I think you just got a dose of our NEW Healthcare. Steve , there were 12 screws and 8 plates > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Tue Dec 15 15:21:58 2009 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 07:21:58 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Up-date on my accident In-Reply-To: <4B5E53FE2BD84A50AA690C29514774D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <4B5E53FE2BD84A50AA690C29514774D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <4B281A16.3000105@optusnet.com.au> craig morrison wrote: > Hi guy's, > > Today I returned to hospital for my first check up after my recent accident, they took several x-rays (now I also glow in the dark like Dr Fero) after which I spent some time with the consultant who is really pleased with how things look at the moment. > They showed me the x-rays and all I can say is what with the higher prices of scrap metal at the moment I have aprice on my head, there were 12 screws and 8 plates inserted to hold everything in place, these will be a Permanente feature so heres to no problems with airport security on my future trips. > > Cheers , Craig > Just be careful not to walk too close to your frig. If it's anything like our's, there are so many magnets on it that you'll clunk right onto it. Might cure your athritus, but . . . JW? From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 15 16:30:16 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:30:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Engine seen on a commercial? In-Reply-To: <4B281A16.3000105@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <401877.78217.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Really,,, Was?I seeing things that were not there???? What was that I just saw? ? It was a Mercedes commercial this morning. Just as the commercial came on the camera scanned across what appeared to be the valves and a cone shaped muffler on a hit-n-miss engine. At least that is what I think I saw. A rocker arm on?an exhaust?valve and a suck-open intake valve plus that cone shaped muffler sticking out there on a pipe. ? If you wait for a Mercedes commercial to come on you will miss it. It was so fast. ? Is there an old engine collector working for that advertising company? This was on the Weather Channel ? Alan in Michigan ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Dec 15 20:05:17 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:05:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Up-date on my accident References: <4B5E53FE2BD84A50AA690C29514774D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <007d01ca7e04$fa2de080$4d644b47@mikecomp> Glad you are on the mend. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: [SEL] Up-date on my accident > Hi guy's, > > Today I returned to hospital for my first check up after my recent > accident, they took several x-rays (now I also glow in the dark like Dr > Fero) after which I spent some time with the consultant who is really > pleased with how things look at the moment. > They showed me the x-rays and all I can say is what with the higher > prices of scrap metal at the moment I have aprice on my head, there were > 12 screws and 8 plates inserted to hold everything in place, these will be > a Permanente feature so heres to no problems with airport security on my > future trips. > > Cheers , Craig > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Dec 16 09:23:11 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:23:11 +0200 Subject: [SEL] New Topic: Hills Diesel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091216191959.0225dfb8@mail.atech.co.za> At 07:00 PM 16/12/2009, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:21:05 +1100 >From: "Ted & Sue Domeney" >Subject: [SEL] New Topic: Hills Diesel >To: >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Thanks Jerry >Dumb me, I didnt think to Go Ogle on this one. >Certainly is the same machine that was written up in "The Rudder". >Were any or many ever built? Any out there still? >With Thanks >Teddy Hi Ted, While Googling I did come across a few others - particularly a bigger one installed in a fishing boat so they were built. ISTR other engines using the same system but am still to much of a newbie in the game to remember names. Maybe someone else on the list can elaborate. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Dec 16 09:27:43 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:27:43 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 69, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091216192323.00ab3620@mail.atech.co.za> At 07:00 PM 16/12/2009, you wrote: >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:12:28 -0000 >From: "craig morrison" >Subject: [SEL] Up-date on my accident >To: >Message-ID: <4B5E53FE2BD84A50AA690C29514774D7 at OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi guy's, > > Today I returned to hospital for my first check up after my recent > accident, they took several x-rays (now I also glow in the dark like Dr > Fero) after which I spent some time with the consultant who is really > pleased with how things look at the moment. > They showed me the x-rays and all I can say is what with the higher > prices of scrap metal at the moment I have aprice on my head, there were > 12 screws and 8 plates inserted to hold everything in place, these will > be a Permanente feature so heres to no problems with airport security on > my future trips. > >Cheers , Craig Hi Craig and Reg (with those knees), My mate Neville also has stainless steel knee replacements and sometimes creaks in the morning. I always tease him that the doc forgot to add "grease nipples". Can you imagine "greasing up" your engine AND your knees at an engine show - what an exhibit!! Jokes aside, it's good to hear you are on the mend. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Dec 16 23:38:17 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:38:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Etched brass plates. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091217092432.01cd32b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Unfortunately I have had to increase my prices on etched brass plates. Considering that this is the first real increase in 5 years I do not feel it is unjustified. Currency fluctuations and increases in the cost of my materials have forced me to do this. The most popular size is the smaller plate and this has only gone up US$ 1.00. The largest size I make has gone up US$ 5.00. The prices are (old price in brackets) Up to 100mm x 60mm @ US$ 20.00 each plus postage. (was US$ 19.00) Up to 100mm x 120mm @ US$ 32.00 each plus postage. (was US$ 29.00) Up to 100mm x 145mm @ US$ 40.00 each plus postage. (was US$ 35.00) These prices are also published on my webpage: This will not affect any orders that I already have in hand - only new orders. I am busy etching another batch at present and should have all outstanding orders completed within a week. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From b2 at chooka.net Thu Dec 17 05:09:36 2009 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:09:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Etched brass plates. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091217092432.01cd32b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091217092432.01cd32b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <000901ca7f1a$2fec8f30$8fc5ad90$@net> A bargain at any price. I've bought a number of plates from Jerry and the workmanship is superb. Bill Brueck Chatfield, MN USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:38 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Etched brass plates. Hi All, Unfortunately I have had to increase my prices on etched brass plates. Considering that this is the first real increase in 5 years I do not feel it is unjustified. Currency fluctuations and increases in the cost of my materials have forced me to do this. The most popular size is the smaller plate and this has only gone up US$ 1.00. The largest size I make has gone up US$ 5.00. The prices are (old price in brackets) Up to 100mm x 60mm @ US$ 20.00 each plus postage. (was US$ 19.00) Up to 100mm x 120mm @ US$ 32.00 each plus postage. (was US$ 29.00) Up to 100mm x 145mm @ US$ 40.00 each plus postage. (was US$ 35.00) These prices are also published on my webpage: This will not affect any orders that I already have in hand - only new orders. I am busy etching another batch at present and should have all outstanding orders completed within a week. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Thu Dec 17 05:26:34 2009 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:26:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Locomotive for the Tod Engine Heritage Park References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091217092432.01cd32b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <000901ca7f1a$2fec8f30$8fc5ad90$@net> Message-ID: <046a01ca7f1c$8df29e60$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> A couple of days ago we moved a 70 ton locomotive to the Tod Engine Heritage Park. This locomotive was donated by Ellwood Engineered Castings in Hubbard, OH. It had been in service a mere 65 years! I worked for EEC in 1999-2000 and I've operated this locomotive many times. There are pictures and a link to a Youtube video here: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/showthread.php/locomotive-moved-tod-engine-194440.html Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Heritage Park 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 17 07:16:43 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:16:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Etched brass plates. In-Reply-To: <000901ca7f1a$2fec8f30$8fc5ad90$@net> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091217092432.01cd32b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <000901ca7f1a$2fec8f30$8fc5ad90$@net> Message-ID: HEAR!! HEAR!! Not only does Jerry do an EXCELLENT job of reproducing a manufacturer's plate; he is also FANTASTIC at creating a new plate in the vintage style. He did one for me for the "Fankhauser Engine Company" for an engine that my engine buddy, the late John Fankhauser, built. What a gorgeous tag. It is a very nice finishing touch for the engine. In fact, those of you who design and build model engines should have Jerry design and build "maker's plates" for your engines. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Thu, December 17, 2009 8:09 am, Bill Brueck wrote: > A bargain at any price. I've bought a number of plates from Jerry and the > workmanship is superb. From langer5 at sympatico.ca Thu Dec 17 07:57:46 2009 From: langer5 at sympatico.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:57:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Etched brass plates. References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091217092432.01cd32b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><000901ca7f1a$2fec8f30$8fc5ad90$@net> Message-ID: Jerry also made me some plates for a Canadian built engine. He made them from a photo of an original plate that I had. The results were fantastic,better than original. I was extremely happy with his work. Larry Anger 163926 Brownsville Rd. R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario Canada N4G 4G8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Etched brass plates. > HEAR!! HEAR!! Not only does Jerry do an EXCELLENT job of reproducing a > manufacturer's plate; he is also FANTASTIC at creating a new plate in the > vintage > style. He did one for me for the "Fankhauser Engine Company" for an > engine that my > engine buddy, the late John Fankhauser, built. What a gorgeous tag. It > is a very > nice finishing touch for the engine. > > In fact, those of you who design and build model engines should have Jerry > design > and build "maker's plates" for your engines. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, December 17, 2009 8:09 am, Bill Brueck wrote: >> A bargain at any price. I've bought a number of plates from Jerry and >> the >> workmanship is superb. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Dec 17 12:40:17 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 07:40:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Etched brass plates. References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091217092432.01cd32b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><000901ca7f1a$2fec8f30$8fc5ad90$@net> Message-ID: <92403C744F934C5195F109E115C6B792@regpc> I already do!! Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Etched brass plates. > HEAR!! HEAR!! Not only does Jerry do an EXCELLENT job of reproducing a > manufacturer's plate; he is also FANTASTIC at creating a new plate in the > vintage > style. He did one for me for the "Fankhauser Engine Company" for an > engine that my > engine buddy, the late John Fankhauser, built. What a gorgeous tag. It > is a very > nice finishing touch for the engine. > > In fact, those of you who design and build model engines should have Jerry > design > and build "maker's plates" for your engines. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, December 17, 2009 8:09 am, Bill Brueck wrote: >> A bargain at any price. I've bought a number of plates from Jerry and >> the >> workmanship is superb. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au Thu Dec 17 12:56:26 2009 From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Domeney Brothers) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 07:56:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New Topic: Hills Diesel Message-ID: <113D5DA42CF845EB93FE25462C521206@shed> Thanks Jerry, your comments and interest are very much appreciated. Teddy From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Dec 18 00:02:38 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:02:38 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 69, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091218095728.02391af0@mail.atech.co.za> At 07:00 PM 17/12/2009, you wrote: >Message: 7 >Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:57:46 -0500 >From: "Larry Anger" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Etched brass plates. > >Jerry also made me some plates for a Canadian built engine. He made them >from a photo of an original plate that I had. The results were >fantastic,better than original. I was extremely happy with his work. > >Larry Anger >163926 Brownsville Rd. >R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario >Canada N4G 4G8 >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Arnie Fero" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:16 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Etched brass plates. > > > > HEAR!! HEAR!! Not only does Jerry do an EXCELLENT job of reproducing a > > manufacturer's plate; he is also FANTASTIC at creating a new plate in the > > vintage > > style. He did one for me for the "Fankhauser Engine Company" for an > > engine that my > > engine buddy, the late John Fankhauser, built. What a gorgeous tag. It > > is a very > > nice finishing touch for the engine. > > > > In fact, those of you who design and build model engines should have Jerry > > design > > and build "maker's plates" for your engines. 8-)) > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > On Thu, December 17, 2009 8:09 am, Bill Brueck wrote: > >> A bargain at any price. I've bought a number of plates from Jerry and > >> the > >> workmanship is superb. Aawwww Geee Guys, You're making me blush :-) Thanks for all the nice comments - they are appreciated. I've enjoyed making plates for all of you. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Dec 18 16:25:24 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:25:24 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fm. plates In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091218092640.02396bc0@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091218223631.0482be78@mail.atech.co.za> Hi Jimmy, I did get your mail sent "Thurs, 17 Dec 2009 23:39:48 -0800" (this is our time zone - 19 minutes before "our midnight" - (I was already in bed and snoring) confirming that you wanted 3 plates. Then I got this rather sarcastic mail from you 11 hours later (Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:03:53 -0800 - again, "our time zone" - 10:03 am). I have mentioned to you previously that I do this as "part of the hobby" - IT IS NOT THE WAY I EARN MY LIVING!!! At 10:00am I am busy with my "Daytime Job". I usually only have a chance to respond to "hobby related" e-mail at night and then only if I've got enough "energy" left after the "Daytime Job". (Even then, it may take a few days). I usually do my very best to point this out to fellow collectors that - my service "stinks" - I KNOW - it is not a "business" and I've never offered "great service" - Not Ever! I refer you to a letter I sent you a few weeks ago: *****"Cut and Paste starts" ***** From: Jerry Evans [mailto:jerrye at databak.co.za] Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:55 PM To: Jim O'Hagan Subject: Re: Fm. plates At 08:08 PM 23/11/2009, you wrote: >Hi Jerry,Ive sent you two Emails asking for FM. Vertical plates with no >response from you? What did I say to piss you off? Jimmy Hi Jim, Please accept my apologies - I have a lot of e-mail needing responding to. You have not P-eed me off in any way and I feel very guilty that I have not responded yet. It's 11:45 pm here at the moment and I'm tired and want to go to bed but I'll do my best to explain anyway, As, I've always mentioned, making plates is "part of the hobby" - not my "daytime job". I have just been under a tremendous amount of pressure these last few weeks from both hobby and "daytime job" as well as other sources. Please read this page on my website (linked to my "plates" page) and you should be able to understand my situation: . The only reason that I have not yet responded to you is the following: I've made about 40 of these (big) FM plates in the last 6 months or so and have to admit that I'm losing money on them. I need to review my costs, time taken and everything else related to my cost of producing them. Since I started making plates (in 2005) my prices have not changed but I need some time to work out new prices due to the fact that "foreign exchange" rates have changed so much in the last few years. Please bear with me. I Just need to get a little time to work these things out. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: ****"Cut and Paste Ends" ***** Apart from what I mentioned in the letter, did you ever visit the link I provided? I cannot do more than this to explain my situation!!!!! I personally feel that I explained everything quite clearly in the above letter - not to mention the link to the webpage that I supplied. (it actually took time to write that "webpage"). O.K. I think that the above does explain my situation (again). Now to answer your comment that (cut & paste again) ******* With all due respect are you REALLY going to make them? Some of the guys tell me it's been over a year since they ordered some plates. ********* I challenge you to prove that "some of the guys" have waited over a year !! I (as mentioned above) do not offer lightning fast service but "over a year" is stretching the imagination to it's limits and a GROSS EXAGGERATION - probably the result of someone's over fertile imagination. (Could it be yours?). 3 to 6 months (after I've received a picture that I can use) is more like the truth!! Bear the following in mind regarding the Fairbanks Morse plates: i) In about September 2008 I had an enquiry from a local collector to make a plate for his "Jack of all Trades" (which actually turned out to be a "N" or a "T" - I cannot remember exactly but that is not important right now) but he had no sample to work from. ii) I wrote to the SEL and Oldengine e-mail lists asking for pics of the plate to copy. I got a few replies as well as a few pics (yours was one of them) but unfortunately nothing of a quality that I could use (I did reply to your post and explain - that was when you mentioned that your camera was antiquated - that your pics were of too a low resolution for me to use). I DO need a good high resolution picture to work from - as I ALWAYS mention). iii) Then another collector (No names - No pack-Drill but not a list member) supplied me a pic in March 2009. Although not perfect, I could work from this pic. iv) Now, if you read my linked webpage, you will notice that I do NOT charge for doing this "artwork", I do it as a service (or my contribution) to my fellow collectors. This in spite of the fact that artwork for a simple plate can easily take me 18 hours or more. (In the case of this "Fairbanks" plate, due to all the "patent dates" I probably spent more than 45 hours (of MY "spare time") - without charging anyone - remember that I DO NOT use modern "computer fonts" - I actually redraw each and every letter to match the original - but you already know that because you did follow the link to my webpage (didn't you) ?? v) I did the "artwork" for this person and submitted it to him and he approved it (the "artwork" always includes measurements). I did have a "strange feeling" that he approved it too readily (Looks good etc.) but went ahead and made and mailed him the plates anyway (my mistake). (10 plates @ US$ 35.00 each - quite lot of money to me!) (May I add that I started my working life off in the printing industry - proofs submitted and accepted are binding.) vi) Anyway, when he got the plates, he wrote back and said that the "hole centres did not align". Sorry - I made the plates to his approved sizes BUT, being the idiot that I am I agreed to re-make his plates!!!! I got "saddled" with a bunch of plates (actually, the pates did not worry me - the US& 350,00 did worry me) that had been approved by the buyer through his own lackadaisical attitude. I'm not mentioning any names here (I do not think he is a list member, but if he is then I'm sure that he will know who I am referring to!. He is probably the ONLY person who has had to wait more than 6 months for his order and I'm sure that you, AS A REASONABLE PERSON, can understand why. So Jimmy, if you wish to send me "sarcastic" e-mails then that's O.K. with me but please consider the facts before doing so. I really do not have the time to reply to mails like yours - this one, including the time taken to call up my "backups" to check my facts has taken me more than 4 hours - time that could be better spent doing artwork for more important stuff. If you would like to cancel your order that is fine with me - just let me know. Jerry. P.S. Re "Dave Traver's" plates and your "insuation" that "will you make them at the same time as Dave's plates". Dave's plates were made more than a month ago (as you well know) and I did write and let him know - I have not had a reply (but do not blame him - or Denny Luce whose e-mail he uses.) I, as mentioned often to you, only do this as part of the "hobby" and may be to blame that Dave's plates are still here but that does NOT justify your sarcasm. P.P.S Seeing as that you have chosen to put a sleight on my character I feel that I am totally justified in protecting myself and copying this mail to the S.E.L and Oldengine lists. You did mention, after all, that (and I "copy and Paste") "Some of the guys tell me it's been over a year since they ordered some plates . Are you going to make mine when you make Dave T's? May I ask that they or you provide some proof of your allegations! May I also point out that I do not have the time to reply to e-mails of the nature of yours but have made an exception in this case - only to protect myself. May I also remind you that I have NEVER promised "Lightning Fast" service to ANYONE !!!! (You did read the webpage didn't you!) Jerry, At 08:03 PM 18/12/2009, you wrote: >Hi Jerry, I'm just confirming that I'd like three[3] Fm. Vertical plates. >With all due respect are you REALLY going to make them? Some of the guys >tell me it's been over a year since they ordered some plates . Are you >going to make mine when you make Dave T's? He's wondering what happened to >his order. Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. USA. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jerry Evans [mailto:jerrye at databak.co.za] >Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:28 PM >To: Jim O'Hagan >Subject: RE: Fm. plates > >O.K. Jim, > I'll wait for your mail. > Payment will go to a friend in the USA but only after you receive >the plates. >Jerry > >At 03:16 AM 18/12/2009, you wrote: > >Jerry, let me contact the other guy and see if he's still interested. >What's > >the easiest way to pay you? Jimmy > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jerry Evans [mailto:jerrye at databak.co.za] > >Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:23 PM > >To: Jim O'Hagan > >Subject: RE: Fm. plates > > > >At 01:11 AM 24/11/2009, you wrote: > > >Jerry when you figure it out, I'd like three Fm. Vertical plates. Jimmy > > > > > >Hello Jimmy, > > At last I have worked things out. I apologise for the time taken. > >As mentioned, I am forced to increase the price of these larger plates > >rather drastically. (Is US$ 5.00 drastic ??) > > > > The old price was US$ 35.00 each and I must increase this to US$ > >40.00 per plate plus postage which will come to less than US$ 4.00 for the > >3 plates. > > > > I do apologise for this increase but it is unavoidable. The >prices > >are also now on my webpage below. > > > > Let me know what you want - I am busy etching a batch of plates >at > >present so if you do want to go ahead with the order let me know and yours > >will be done soon. > > > >Keep the revs up (or down) > >Jerry Evans > >Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > >Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 17 07:26:27 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:26:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Etched brass plates. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091217092432.01cd32b0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: I still need to know how much to send to Ron for the four plates you made for me. As soon as I know, I'll cut a check and send it to him. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 01:38 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; > stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Etched brass plates. > > > Hi All, > Unfortunately I have had to increase my > prices on etched brass > plates. Considering that this is the first real > increase in 5 years I do > not feel it is unjustified. > Currency fluctuations and increases in > the cost of my materials > have forced me to do this. > > The most popular size is the smaller > plate and this has only gone > up US$ 1.00. > The largest size I make has gone up US$ 5.00. > > The prices are (old price in brackets) > > Up to 100mm x 60mm @ US$ 20.00 each plus postage. > (was US$ 19.00) > Up to 100mm x 120mm @ US$ 32.00 each plus > postage. (was US$ 29.00) > Up to 100mm x 145mm @ US$ 40.00 each plus > postage. (was US$ 35.00) > > These prices are also published on my webpage: > > > This will not affect any orders that I > already have in hand - only > new orders. > > I am busy etching another batch at > present and should have all > outstanding orders completed within a week. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Sat Dec 19 16:07:36 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:07:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] WTH are these channels about!!!!! Message-ID: <4B2D6AC8.5060602@telenet.net> For any folks who have Dish Network take a look at channel 125. Or channel 9645. Take a look and see what you think they REALLY are. NO they are not porno. -- Steve W. From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Sat Dec 19 16:36:52 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland ) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:36:52 +0000 Subject: [SEL] WTH are these channels about!!!!! Message-ID: What are you talking about all I see is comercials Tom Winland Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Steve W." Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:07:36 To: ; Subject: [SEL] WTH are these channels about!!!!! For any folks who have Dish Network take a look at channel 125. Or channel 9645. Take a look and see what you think they REALLY are. NO they are not porno. -- Steve W. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mathjr at optusnet.com.au Sat Dec 19 17:18:05 2009 From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (Renee Mathieson) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:18:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] 4 HP Mogul Message-ID: <365526A65DBF4AAD818D80FA9ED385C3@lightning> I am currently restoring a 4 HP Mogul portable. The wooden brake shoes are missing. I wonder if anyone can assist with a picture of the profile of one of these shoes? I think that the brake shoes on any of the larger Moguls would be the same shape. Thanks in advance. John Mathieson Australia. mathjr at optusnet.com.au -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 270.14.109/2567 - Release Date: 12/15/09 19:58:00 From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Dec 20 08:51:41 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:51:41 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. photocopier Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091220184712.00b1da68@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, Sorry about the "Off Topic" but do we have any Photocopier techies on the lists who could help me sort out a problem with an old Sharp SF7370 photocopier. (Dave, if you are going to answer "Yes" - please supply contact details :-) - if your answer is "No" then thanks.) Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Dec 20 13:50:10 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:50:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fm. plates In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091218223631.0482be78@mail.atech.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091218092640.02396bc0@mail.atech.co.za> <5.2.1.1.2.20091218223631.0482be78@mail.atech.co.za> Message-ID: <38ca4fc1ee12650adfd55280d705cc93.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Jerry, Not to worry mate. WE know who you are!! No matter how much you do for other folks in this or any hobby, there will always be SOMEONE for whom it just isn't enough; and THAT bastard will piss in your Wheaties every time. Just tell the sumbitch to sod off and go make his own tags. You really don't need that aggro. Keep smiling. The air's good for your teeth. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, December 18, 2009 7:25 pm, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Jimmy, > I did get your mail sent "Thurs, 17 Dec 2009 23:39:48 -0800" (this > is our time zone - 19 minutes before "our midnight" - (I was already in bed > and snoring) confirming that you wanted 3 plates. Then I got this rather > sarcastic mail from you 11 hours later (Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:03:53 -0800 - > again, "our time zone" - 10:03 am). > > I have mentioned to you previously that I do this as "part of the > hobby" - IT IS NOT THE WAY I EARN MY LIVING!!! At 10:00am I am busy with my > "Daytime Job". I usually only have a chance to respond to "hobby related" > e-mail at night and then only if I've got enough "energy" left after the > "Daytime Job". (Even then, it may take a few days). > > I usually do my very best to point this out to fellow collectors > that - my service "stinks" - I KNOW - it is not a "business" and I've never > offered "great service" - Not Ever! I refer you to a letter I sent you a > few weeks ago: > From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Dec 20 15:47:44 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:47:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fm. plates In-Reply-To: <38ca4fc1ee12650adfd55280d705cc93.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Arnie: Excellent dental advice! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Arnie Fero > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 03:50 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fm. plates > ....................................Snippety-poo................................... > > Keep smiling. The air's good for your teeth. > > See ya, Arnie From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Dec 20 15:23:42 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:23:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fm. plates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Elden, but I can't take the credit. We had a morning talk radio host on KDKA in Pittsburgh named Jack Bogut. He was similar to Garrison Keillor with some of his stories. Anyway, that was one of his expressions and I've always really liked it. See ya, Arnie On Sun, December 20, 2009 6:47 pm, Elden DuRand wrote: > > Excellent dental advice! :-) > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Keep smiling. The air's good for your teeth. >> From gastzt at aol.com Sun Dec 20 17:08:09 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:08:09 EST Subject: [SEL] Fm. plates Message-ID: <114d7.57b3b573.38602479@aol.com> Arnie-- Just LOVE that one --for sure! Stan OldStovers, Pleasanton, Tx From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Dec 20 20:26:10 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:26:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Help Message-ID: <3A199D09B5474DCFB1C64A6E4BB0FCF6@regpc> Can someone please snd me, off list, Peg Pfeiffer's email and address . Smail Mail I sent has been returned. It got lost last crash of the puter. Thanks. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Dec 22 01:52:57 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:52:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] New Topic: Hills Diesel/revisit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091222114801.024f0e70@mail.atech.co.za> At 07:00 PM 17/12/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:21:05 +1100 > >From: "Ted & Sue Domeney" > >Subject: [SEL] New Topic: Hills Diesel > > >Thanks Jerry > > >With Thanks > >Teddy > >Hi Ted, ISTR other engines using the same system but am still to much of a >newbie in the game to remember names. > Maybe someone else on the list can elaborate. >Keep the revs up (or down) >Jerry Evans Hi Ted, The other engine I was thinking about that used this system was the Tilling Stevens TS3 engine used in Commer trucks. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au Tue Dec 22 23:54:01 2009 From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:54:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New Topic Hills Diesel/revisit Message-ID: <9B7BBA50C34C403FA1E58071D08C1D7E@HOUSE> Hi there Jerry Yes, you are correct the Tillings Stevens engine seems almost identical = to the Hill Diesel. I have one sitting here waiting to be set up on a base.(TS3 that is) The other engine maker that built "headless" engines (opposed piston = engines) was the German company Junkers, but they were a vertical design = not horizontal. One piston works conventionally from the crankshaft, but = the other comes down from the top and this gives a compression point = halfway up the cylinder. The top piston is connected by two straps or = rods to the crankshaft. Always pleased to hear of other variations and other makers of these = interesting 2 stroke diesels.=20 Thanks again Jerry. May I wish you and your family and all other readers a happy Christmas = and a safe and healthy 2010. Teddy From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Dec 23 09:50:16 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:50:16 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091223193557.023935a8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Everyone, In about 13 hours Christmas Day will begin (at the International Date Line) so I suppose it's that time to wish all my mates on the lists A very Happy Christmas. I'll be thinking of many of you as the time zones change. First will be our mates in New Zealand followed a few hours later the the Aussies then us in darkest Africa, Europe, Britain then the USA and finally, one of the last will be Oom Bill-san in Japan. Thanks again Guys and Gals of the lists for another year of friendship, cameraderie and help. A special thought also to those of you who have family on duty in the Armed Forces, Emergency Services and any other "service" that means that they will give up their time to look after us and make the world a better and safer place for the rest of us. Thanks to all of them - they are appreciated. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Dec 23 11:06:46 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:06:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all / gotcha all !! Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091223210324.02355a48@mail.cyberserv.co.za> O.K., You've all had time to spot my intentional mistake :-) Oom Bill-san will actually celebrate at about the same time as the Aussies - just checking to see who was actually paying attention. :-) Actually Jacqui picked it up and also asked me to send her wishes. Jerry Hi Everyone, In about 13 hours Christmas Day will begin (at the International Date Line) so I suppose it's that time to wish all my mates on the lists A very Happy Christmas. I'll be thinking of many of you as the time zones change. First will be our mates in New Zealand followed a few hours later the the Aussies then us in darkest Africa, Europe, Britain then the USA and finally, one of the last will be Oom Bill-san in Japan. Thanks again Guys and Gals of the lists for another year of friendship, cameraderie and help. A special thought also to those of you who have family on duty in the Armed Forces, Emergency Services and any other "service" that means that they will give up their time to look after us and make the world a better and safer place for the rest of us. Thanks to all of them - they are appreciated. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Wed Dec 23 16:36:12 2009 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:36:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091223193557.023935a8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Merry Christmas to you all from sunny Sydney. This time last year we were in northern England freezing now we are roasting at home! I hope all of you are having a great Christmas and are looking forward to a great New Year. I will even fire something up for the New Year as we will actually be at home (or not far from it). All the best, Patrick & Ann (and Petra). Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Dec 23 21:38:07 2009 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:38:07 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Engine History. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's really cool. Hopefully, there will be a YouTube archive so a future owner can view your video on December 23, 2109. Rob Skinner Antique Stationary Engines La Habra, California rob at rustyiron.com www.rustyiron.com On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:22 PM, Brian Watts wrote: > > > > From: Brian Watts > > Sent: December 23, 2009 11:26 AM > Subject: Blackstone Engine History. > > While tracing our first "Blackstone" Engine history I was contacted > this week by a woman who told me her father owned our eng. in c. > 1940, she also had names of the two previous owners and new what the > eng. was used for and gave us a photo of eng taken c.1927. > We now know of the seven owners and that the eng. stayed in one > area for 100yrs. > A video was made today 23.12.2009 of No.78862 on it`s > 100yr.anniversary,can be seen on youtube. > Video at. > http://www.youtube.com/user/brianvwatts#p/u > Brian Watts > briwatt at optusnet.com.au > (03) 97266147 > > David Watts > (03) 87616332 > damewatt at bigpond.com.au > > From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 24 00:01:10 2009 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:01:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Engine History. Message-ID: <3B0E256EAB36425BABE7073E03FE76D0@bd32d875216e74> ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Watts To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Cc: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 4:22 PM Subject: Blackstone Engine History. From: Brian Watts Sent: December 23, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: Blackstone Engine History. While tracing our first "Blackstone" Engine history I was contacted this week by a woman who told me her father owned our eng. in c.1940, she also had names of the two previous owners and new what the eng. was used for and gave us a photo of eng taken c.1927. We now know of the seven owners and that the eng. stayed in one area for 100yrs. A video was made today 23.12.2009 of No.78862 on it`s 100yr.anniversary,can be seen on youtube. Video at. http://www.youtube.com/user/brianvwatts#p/u Brian Watts briwatt at optusnet.com.au (03) 97266147 David Watts (03) 87616332 damewatt at bigpond.com.au From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 24 06:50:30 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:50:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Engine History. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Rob, As a good "mind-stretching" exercise, think about how information was captured and shared when this Blackie was "born", compare that to today, and then speculate on information sharing in 2109. BTW, this exercise works best after ingesting your favorite mind-altering chemicals. 8-)) See ya, Anrie On Thu, December 24, 2009 12:38 am, Rob Skinner wrote: > That's really cool. Hopefully, there will be a YouTube archive so a > future owner can view your video on December 23, 2109. > > > On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:22 PM, Brian Watts wrote: > >> >> Sent: December 23, 2009 11:26 AM >> Subject: Blackstone Engine History. >> >> While tracing our first "Blackstone" Engine history I was contacted >> this week by a woman who told me her father owned our eng. in c. >> 1940, she also had names of the two previous owners and new what the >> eng. was used for and gave us a photo of eng taken c.1927. >> We now know of the seven owners and that the eng. stayed in one >> area for 100yrs. >> A video was made today 23.12.2009 of No.78862 on it`s >> 100yr.anniversary,can be seen on youtube. >> Video at. >> http://www.youtube.com/user/brianvwatts#p/u From avanti_64 at juno.com Thu Dec 24 07:08:17 2009 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:08:17 GMT Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all Message-ID: <20091224.100817.6704.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Merry Christmas to all from snowy and cold Maine! (Actually I have seen a lot worse than we have had so far this Winter!) I have only plowed the driveway once... Joe ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=tr56B-zK1kEK6ieCruo6RAAAJz2D7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Dec 24 07:42:13 2009 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:42:13 GMT Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all Message-ID: <20091224.104213.18122.4@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Hello List, I trued to send out a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone on the SEL but I got a message telling me that I am not a member. Merry Christmas to you to, Who-ever you are. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Poor is the nation having no heroes, (_o_) Shameful is the one having them that forgets." ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "avanti_64 at juno.com" To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:08:17 GMT Merry Christmas to all from snowy and cold Maine! (Actually I have seen a lot worse than we have had so far this Winter!) I have only plowed the driveway once... Joe ____________________________________________________________ Nutrition Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=tr56B-zK1kEK6ieCruo6RAAAJz2D7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 24 09:51:37 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:51:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all In-Reply-To: <20091224.104213.18122.4@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> References: <20091224.104213.18122.4@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <1cf5ed997503ca8532b022b6a8f1bb5e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> We still luv ya Joe; no matter WHAT Spencer sez about ya! Merry Christmas back atcha. And give that lovely lady you sleep with a big Christmas kiss from me wouldja? See ya, Arnie On Thu, December 24, 2009 10:42 am, jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Hello List, > I trued to send out a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone on the SEL but > I got a message telling me that I am not a member. > Merry Christmas to you to, Who-ever you are. > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Dec 24 10:27:10 2009 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:27:10 GMT Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all Message-ID: <20091224.132710.13562.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Thanks Arnie, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "Poor is the nation having no heroes, (_o_) Shameful is the one having them that forgets." ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:51:37 -0500 (EST) We still luv ya Joe; no matter WHAT Spencer sez about ya! Merry Christmas back atcha. And give that lovely lady you sleep with a big Christmas kiss from me wouldja? See ya, Arnie On Thu, December 24, 2009 10:42 am, jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Hello List, > I trued to send out a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone on the SEL but > I got a message telling me that I am not a member. > Merry Christmas to you to, Who-ever you are. > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ____________________________________________________________ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=dw37oswfzsCAglC658X3xgAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUQAAAAA= From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Dec 24 13:41:55 2009 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:41:55 EST Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all Message-ID: Merry Christmas to everyone from central Virginia where 14 inches of wet snow fell last weekend which tried to take down our metal roof over the back deck, and presently being held up with additional bracing off the deck. Tom and Millie Schmutz From langer5 at sympatico.ca Thu Dec 24 13:59:55 2009 From: langer5 at sympatico.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:59:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Message-ID: Hope everyone has a Blessed Christmas and Healthy, Happy 2010 >From very Green Southern Ontario. Santa won't have any snow for his sleigh this year. Larry Anger 163926 Brownsville Rd. R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario Canada N4G 4G8 From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 24 15:02:18 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:02:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmasl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Merry Christmas to all of you non-Politically Correct List Folks! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Dec 24 15:08:37 2009 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:08:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas and Happy New Year References: Message-ID: <001501ca84ee$06695650$4d644b47@mikecomp> Merry Christmas from Shelby, NC!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Anger" To: Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas and Happy New Year > Hope everyone has a Blessed Christmas and Healthy, Happy 2010 > >>From very Green Southern Ontario. Santa won't have any snow for his sleigh >>this year. > > Larry Anger > 163926 Brownsville Rd. > R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario > Canada N4G 4G8 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Twowhistle at aol.com Thu Dec 24 15:23:07 2009 From: Twowhistle at aol.com (Twowhistle at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:23:07 EST Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all Message-ID: Merry Christmas from Cape Cod. 18 inches of snow last storm. Ho Ho Ho. Steve Healy From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Thu Dec 24 15:33:54 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland ) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:33:54 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all Message-ID: Merry Christmas from Ohio Tom Winland Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Twowhistle at aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:23:07 To: Subject: Re: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all Merry Christmas from Cape Cod.? 18 inches of snow last storm.? Ho? Ho Ho. Steve Healy _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 24 15:46:38 2009 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:46:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F9A189A48324C9EB753226A63B8575F@KerryPC> And a Great and Safe Christmas and 2010 to all from Down Under, 10.45am and just starting to rain Kerry & Ruth From jneth3 at mac.com Thu Dec 24 15:59:29 2009 From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:59:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas Message-ID: <10F4817F-18BF-4159-B274-22D317CE277D@mac.com> Merry Christmas to all from upper east Tennessee. Sent from my iPhone From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Thu Dec 24 16:27:13 2009 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:27:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all In-Reply-To: <1F9A189A48324C9EB753226A63B8575F@KerryPC> Message-ID: We are down in Yass and it has been pouring here since 3am. It has been really needed as it is really scorched earth down here. Thankfully it hoses down any risk of fire so the fire fighters can enjoy their Christmas. Merry Christmas, Patrick, Ann & Petra On 25/12/09 10:46 AM, "Kerry" wrote: > And a Great and Safe Christmas and 2010 to all from Down Under, 10.45am and > just starting to rain > > Kerry & Ruth > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From alanwh at iinet.net.au Thu Dec 24 16:35:43 2009 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan Wheaton) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:35:43 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all In-Reply-To: References: <1F9A189A48324C9EB753226A63B8575F@KerryPC> Message-ID: We also enjoyed about 55mm it was good but looks like it is all gone All the best from the group in Wagga Wagga Alan & Ruth We are down in Yass and it has been pouring here since 3am. It has been really needed as it is really scorched earth down here. Thankfully it hoses down any risk of fire so the fire fighters can enjoy their Christmas. Merry Christmas, Patrick, Ann & Petra On 25/12/09 10:46 AM, "Kerry" wrote: > And a Great and Safe Christmas and 2010 to all from Down Under, 10.45am and > just starting to rain > > Kerry & Ruth > > _______________________________________________ From nancydick at pennswoods.net Thu Dec 24 19:35:56 2009 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:35:56 -0800 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <4b340905.9753f10a.1e7b.ffff89e5@mx.google.com> Merry Christmas to one and all. a great new year in 2010 R Fink From gastzt at aol.com Thu Dec 24 16:44:38 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:44:38 EST Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all Message-ID: In a message dated 12/24/2009 6:35:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html Kerry---- glad you getting that rain! I love your website---especially the gaurd doggy! LOL---- great job! Merry Christmas to both of you! Stan Zettner Old Stovers Pleasanton, Tx USA From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 24 18:06:51 2009 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurSouthwell) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:06:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Season's Greetings Message-ID: MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE! ARTHUR & DEANA Arthur Southwell Arcadia, FL 34266 USA asouth42 at embarqmail.com Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, FL 34266 USA asouth42 at embarqmail.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 25 16:45:36 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 16:45:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Lake Forest show pics. In-Reply-To: <20091208.214817.19009.91882@mailpop01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <667511.46073.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ron, That sure looks like a fun little show. Good crowds make for a great time. I would love to have a show like that here for my two hole corn sheller. People just love to feed it. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 12/9/09, rdhaskell wrote: From: rdhaskell Subject: [SEL] Lake Forest show pics. To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com, stationary-engine at oldengine.org Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:47 AM Hi all.? Last Saturday my local club (WAPA) was invited again to display at the Lake Forest Victorian Christmas open house. Cool overcast day but a good crowd and lots of fun. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/LakeForest2009# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Water Heater Some like it hot. Click now for a reliable new water heater! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=gzagS2u5xJWQouwdEoWP3gAAJ1CD7WGpCznmC0fJ8YLWDsCVAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGIAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jnyost at yahoo.com Fri Dec 25 17:19:00 2009 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:19:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] SEL Season's Greetings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <787529.79258.qm@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year from Utica, Ohio Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sat Dec 26 00:23:32 2009 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:23:32 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents Message-ID: So did everyone get something great for Christmas. We had a very wet Christmas visiting my family but my fianc?, Ann, gave me the complete Gas Engine Magazine Archive on CD (four disks which will keep me occupied for a while)! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From old_iron at msn.com Sat Dec 26 11:38:18 2009 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:38:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas to all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Merry Christmas and We wish eveyone a Happy Healthy SAFE New Year. Peg & Bill Pfeiffer Snowy Rolling Meadows, IL > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 26 11:59:22 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:59:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <440049.58115.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nice one Patrick, Marry that gal she is a keeper. 8>))) I have had a set of those disks for quite a long time. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Sat, 12/26/09, Patrick Livingstone wrote: From: Patrick Livingstone Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine" Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 3:23 AM So did everyone get something great for Christmas. We had a very wet Christmas visiting my family but my fianc?, Ann, gave me the complete Gas Engine Magazine Archive on CD (four disks which will keep me occupied for a while)! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Dec 26 16:23:58 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:23:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] I gave up on the Hvid! In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105909811E16@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: Gang: After getting the Homebrew Hvid engine running optimally, I have come to the conclusion that it is just too small (2" bore X 4" stroke, 12 cubic inches) to avoid heat quenching issues. Although it started fairly easily and ran reasonably well, it smoked a lot and made minimal power. After some thought, I've converted it to spark ignition and naphtha fuel. This involved making another head, mixer, etc. It ran for the first time today. You can see the saga on my web page. Oh, yes - I've saved all the Hvid parts so, if I get nostalgic for the smell of Diesel clag, I can take a couple of hours and convert it back to Hvid. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Dec 27 06:23:57 2009 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:23:57 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Interesting site for a cold day Message-ID: <43D9693AE1944A05B645A7A08235E84B@zen> I lost my computer over Christmas and when I managed to re-load it I found that I had lost one of my favourite interesting sites. After several hours of searching I managed to get back to it and found that it had improved a lot from the last time I visited the site. It is a non existent museum in Wolverhampton in the English Midlands and when you click on the doors to enter you can wander about covering a wide range of industrial and trade subjects including Engines, vehicles, Motorcycles,electrical and many other interesting subjects. Ideal to pass time on a bad weather day. See http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/Museum/museum.htm -- Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From gastzt at aol.com Sun Dec 27 07:35:58 2009 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:35:58 EST Subject: [SEL] Interesting site for a cold day Message-ID: In a message dated 12/27/2009 9:05:13 A.M. Central Standard Time, dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes: http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/Museum/museum.htm WOW! Did not know the ol' train was THAT old--! Great stuff---and thanks sooo much! Stan Old Stovers bunch! Pleasanton, Tx From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Mon Dec 28 09:40:26 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:40:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents In-Reply-To: <440049.58115.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: , <440049.58115.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Here's my Christmas present, it was finished just a couple days before Christmas :) http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Barn.html Tom Winland Ohio > Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:59:22 -0800 > From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > Nice one Patrick, > Marry that gal she is a keeper. 8>))) > I have had a set of those disks for quite a long time. > > Alan in Michigan > > --- On Sat, 12/26/09, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > > > From: Patrick Livingstone > Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents > To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine" > Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 3:23 AM > > > So did everyone get something great for Christmas. > We had a very wet Christmas visiting my family but my fianc?, Ann, gave me > the complete Gas Engine Magazine Archive on CD (four disks which will keep > me occupied for a while)! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 28 10:42:08 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:42:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents In-Reply-To: References: , <440049.58115.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1e4c3894565c97c0263586cec236769e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Tom, WAY kewl! SOOOO much room. You NEED more engines. 8-)) Will you have heat out there? See ya, Arnie On Mon, December 28, 2009 12:40 pm, Tom Winland wrote: > > Here's my Christmas present, it was finished just a > couple days before Christmas :) > http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Barn.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Dec 28 10:43:47 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:43:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents In-Reply-To: References: , <440049.58115.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <326c6e3f36ed48f1fadab72814483354.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Tom, WAY kewl! SOOOO much room. You NEED more engines. 8-)) Will you have heat out there? See ya, Arnie On Mon, December 28, 2009 12:40 pm, Tom Winland wrote: > > Here's my Christmas present, it was finished just a > couple days before Christmas :) > http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Barn.html From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Mon Dec 28 10:46:31 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:46:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents In-Reply-To: <1e4c3894565c97c0263586cec236769e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> References: , , <440049.58115.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , <1e4c3894565c97c0263586cec236769e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: lol, I have enough engines to fill that building already, just haven't had time to move them yet and it's also been to wet to get the forklift to the building. Tom > Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:42:08 -0500 > From: fero_ah at city-net.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > Tom, > > WAY kewl! SOOOO much room. You NEED more engines. 8-)) > Will you have heat out there? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, December 28, 2009 12:40 pm, Tom Winland wrote: > > > > Here's my Christmas present, it was finished just a > > couple days before Christmas :) > > http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Barn.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ From germoamer at aol.com Mon Dec 28 13:51:26 2009 From: germoamer at aol.com (germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:51:26 EST Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents Message-ID: Now that is a nice Christmas present! Going to put OSB part way up the walls to protect the insulation? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Mon Dec 28 14:04:57 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:04:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: there isn't any insulation in the walls yet, only in the ceiling so far, maybe next year I'll have heat in it :) > From: germoamer at aol.com > Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:51:26 -0500 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > Now that is a nice Christmas present! > > Going to put OSB part way up the walls to protect the insulation? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ From clemsweller at etczone.com Tue Dec 29 03:44:53 2009 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:44:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200912290645296.SM2555157@ChuckDesktopPC> Tom, >From the pictures, it is obvious that you now need to buy more engines to fill that sucker up! Nice building! Chuck Emsweller Indiana -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 12:40 PM To: SEL list Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents Here's my Christmas present, it was finished just a couple days before Christmas :) http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Barn.html Tom Winland Ohio > Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:59:22 -0800 > From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > Nice one Patrick, > Marry that gal she is a keeper. 8>))) > I have had a set of those disks for quite a long time. > > Alan in Michigan > > --- On Sat, 12/26/09, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > > > From: Patrick Livingstone > Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents > To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine" > Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 3:23 AM > > > So did everyone get something great for Christmas. > We had a very wet Christmas visiting my family but my fianc?, Ann, gave me > the complete Gas Engine Magazine Archive on CD (four disks which will keep > me occupied for a while)! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Tue Dec 29 05:43:58 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:43:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents In-Reply-To: <200912290645296.SM2555157@ChuckDesktopPC> References: , <200912290645296.SM2555157@ChuckDesktopPC> Message-ID: Chuck, anyone who has seen my collection knows that I already own enough to fill the new building, it's just a matter of time before I get them all moved to it. :) Right now most of my engines are kept at the family farm and I'm sure my dad will be happy when they leave because he'll have room to put his farm equipment again lol Tom > From: clemsweller at etczone.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:44:53 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > Tom, > > >From the pictures, it is obvious that you now need to buy more engines to > fill that sucker up! > > Nice building! > > Chuck Emsweller > Indiana > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 12:40 PM > To: SEL list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > > Here's my Christmas present, it was finished just a couple days before > Christmas :) > > > > http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Barn.html > > > > Tom Winland > > Ohio > > > Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:59:22 -0800 > > From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > > > Nice one Patrick, > > Marry that gal she is a keeper. 8>))) > > I have had a set of those disks for quite a long time. > > > > Alan in Michigan > > > > --- On Sat, 12/26/09, Patrick Livingstone > wrote: > > > > > > From: Patrick Livingstone > > Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine" > > > Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 3:23 AM > > > > > > So did everyone get something great for Christmas. > > We had a very wet Christmas visiting my family but my fianc?, Ann, gave me > > the complete Gas Engine Magazine Archive on CD (four disks which will keep > > me occupied for a while)! > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > > Leichhardt NSW > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ From clemsweller at etczone.com Tue Dec 29 15:09:17 2009 From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:09:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200912291809235.SM2598221@ChuckDesktopPC> I know the feeling. Dad built a 30x40 three years ago to keep our engines. It is full to the brim. I am in pro0cess of putting up a 30x50 to catch the overflow and maybe an old car or two. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:44 AM To: SEL list Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents Chuck, anyone who has seen my collection knows that I already own enough to fill the new building, it's just a matter of time before I get them all moved to it. :) Right now most of my engines are kept at the family farm and I'm sure my dad will be happy when they leave because he'll have room to put his farm equipment again lol Tom > From: clemsweller at etczone.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:44:53 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > Tom, > > >From the pictures, it is obvious that you now need to buy more engines to > fill that sucker up! > > Nice building! > > Chuck Emsweller > Indiana > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 12:40 PM > To: SEL list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > > Here's my Christmas present, it was finished just a couple days before > Christmas :) > > > > http://gasenginetom.com/Engine_Barn.html > > > > Tom Winland > > Ohio > > > Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:59:22 -0800 > > From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > > > Nice one Patrick, > > Marry that gal she is a keeper. 8>))) > > I have had a set of those disks for quite a long time. > > > > Alan in Michigan > > > > --- On Sat, 12/26/09, Patrick Livingstone > wrote: > > > > > > From: Patrick Livingstone > > Subject: [SEL] Christmas Presents > > To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine" > > > Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 3:23 AM > > > > > > So did everyone get something great for Christmas. > > We had a very wet Christmas visiting my family but my fianc?, Ann, gave me > > the complete Gas Engine Magazine Archive on CD (four disks which will keep > > me occupied for a while)! > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > > Leichhardt NSW > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Dec 30 10:15:48 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:15:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) Message-ID: <7d0006d314d17d8ae92e75c8d4424566.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, The beauty of cordless tools is that they're, well..., cordless. Duh... However, sometimes, you would really like to plug the sumbitch into a wall socket for long, heavy-duty running. Clearly, one solution is to buy double tools. Not elegant, but gets it done. I'm not the first bloke to express this need. http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16762 I did run across this 24v AC/DC adapter for DeWalt. http://www.dewalt.com/us/articles/article_cordless.asp?Site=cordless&ID=194 And then there's the Robopak... (seriously pricy) http://www.aircraftdynamics.com/165.htm?parentid=79 Probably cheaper to buy double tools. Does anyone know of an 18v AC/DC adapter that would fit the DeWalt line of tools and plug into a wall socket? Thanks! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Dec 30 10:25:32 2009 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:25:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) References: <7d0006d314d17d8ae92e75c8d4424566.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <8A7F4460739045DA82B2F402A3213762@Ed> Hi Arnie, When the 12 Volt battery on my drill went dead, I removed the cells and hooked up a red and a black wire with battery clips on the other end and use a 12 Volt tractor battery. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Arnie Fero To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org ; slick at toltbbs.com ; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:15 PM Subject: Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) Hi Folks, The beauty of cordless tools is that they're, well..., cordless. Duh... However, sometimes, you would really like to plug the sumbitch into a wall socket for long, heavy-duty running. Clearly, one solution is to buy double tools. Not elegant, but gets it done. I'm not the first bloke to express this need. http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16762 I did run across this 24v AC/DC adapter for DeWalt. http://www.dewalt.com/us/articles/article_cordless.asp?Site=cordless&ID=194 And then there's the Robopak... (seriously pricy) http://www.aircraftdynamics.com/165.htm?parentid=79 Probably cheaper to buy double tools. Does anyone know of an 18v AC/DC adapter that would fit the DeWalt line of tools and plug into a wall socket? Thanks! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rotigel at me.com Wed Dec 30 13:08:02 2009 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:08:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) In-Reply-To: <8A7F4460739045DA82B2F402A3213762@Ed> References: <7d0006d314d17d8ae92e75c8d4424566.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <8A7F4460739045DA82B2F402A3213762@Ed> Message-ID: <37498000-C33F-4AAA-8D20-2C4A2DA227A3@me.com> Hi Ed, So a PERFECT solution to Arnie's "problem" would be for him to: 1.) Buy a tractor, 2.) Connect his battery charger to the (new) tractor battery and plug it into 110v, 2.a) Or simply start the (new) tractor and set the tractor to HIGH idle 3.) Hook up the wires as you explained and, 4.) DRILL ALL DAY! Dave PS, Sounds like an engineers solution to me! (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9TPMIfY5GU) PPS, Have you heard about the two engineers standing at a stop light in Oakland? ( Hint: One of them had a new bicycle!) On Dec 30, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Ed stoller wrote: > Hi Arnie, > > When the 12 Volt battery on my drill went dead, I removed the cells > and hooked up a red and a black wire with battery clips on the other > end and use a 12 Volt tractor battery. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Arnie Fero > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org ; slick at toltbbs.com ; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:15 PM > Subject: Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) > > > Hi Folks, > > The beauty of cordless tools is that they're, well..., cordless. > Duh... > > However, sometimes, you would really like to plug the sumbitch > into a wall socket for long, heavy-duty running. > > Clearly, one solution is to buy double tools. Not elegant, but > gets it done. > > I'm not the first bloke to express this need. > http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16762 > > I did run across this 24v AC/DC adapter for DeWalt. > http://www.dewalt.com/us/articles/article_cordless.asp?Site=cordless&ID=194 > > And then there's the Robopak... (seriously pricy) > http://www.aircraftdynamics.com/165.htm?parentid=79 > Probably cheaper to buy double tools. > > Does anyone know of an 18v AC/DC adapter that would fit the > DeWalt line of tools and plug into a wall socket? > > Thanks! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Dec 30 14:17:37 2009 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:17:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) In-Reply-To: <37498000-C33F-4AAA-8D20-2C4A2DA227A3@me.com> References: <7d0006d314d17d8ae92e75c8d4424566.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> <8A7F4460739045DA82B2F402A3213762@Ed> <37498000-C33F-4AAA-8D20-2C4A2DA227A3@me.com> Message-ID: <4405.165.206.180.130.1262211457.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> How about a Mr. Fission? > Hi Ed, > So a PERFECT solution to Arnie's "problem" would be for him to: > 1.) Buy a tractor, > 2.) Connect his battery charger to the (new) tractor battery and > plug it into 110v, > 2.a) Or simply start the (new) tractor and set the tractor to HIGH > idle > 3.) Hook up the wires as you explained and, > 4.) DRILL ALL DAY! > Dave > PS, Sounds like an engineers solution to me! (See: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9TPMIfY5GU) > PPS, Have you heard about the two engineers standing at a stop light > in Oakland? ( Hint: One of them had a new bicycle!) > > On Dec 30, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Ed stoller wrote: > >> Hi Arnie, >> >> When the 12 Volt battery on my drill went dead, I removed the cells >> and hooked up a red and a black wire with battery clips on the other >> end and use a 12 Volt tractor battery. >> >> Ed Stoller >> New Fairfield, CT >> http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Arnie Fero >> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org ; slick at toltbbs.com ; >> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:15 PM >> Subject: Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) >> >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> The beauty of cordless tools is that they're, well..., cordless. >> Duh... >> >> However, sometimes, you would really like to plug the sumbitch >> into a wall socket for long, heavy-duty running. >> >> Clearly, one solution is to buy double tools. Not elegant, but >> gets it done. >> >> I'm not the first bloke to express this need. >> http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16762 >> >> I did run across this 24v AC/DC adapter for DeWalt. >> http://www.dewalt.com/us/articles/article_cordless.asp?Site=cordless&ID=194 >> >> And then there's the Robopak... (seriously pricy) >> http://www.aircraftdynamics.com/165.htm?parentid=79 >> Probably cheaper to buy double tools. >> >> Does anyone know of an 18v AC/DC adapter that would fit the >> DeWalt line of tools and plug into a wall socket? >> >> Thanks! >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> Arnie Fero >> Pittsburgh, PA >> fero_ah at city-net.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From germoamer at aol.com Wed Dec 30 16:55:56 2009 From: germoamer at aol.com (germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:55:56 EST Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) Message-ID: <5210.14482964.386d509c@aol.com> Arnie, Do not know of any adapters for the DeWalts. But winter has set in and good time for OT's. I have a bunch of DeWalt tools and seem to have better luck with the life of 12 volt batteries lasting longer than 18 volt. I have had 12 volt batteries last for years and for some reason the 18 volts do not last any time. Some in less than a year. The best luck I ever had was with a 15 volt Craftsman drill. The batteries lasted for 7 years before going bad. If you take them to a battery rebuilder, they want 3/4 the price of new batteries. And if you catch the 2-pack 18 volt on sale can buy new ones cheaper than rebuilds. Probably would be a smart idea to learn to rebuild them myself! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 31 02:54:08 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:54:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) In-Reply-To: <5210.14482964.386d509c@aol.com> Message-ID: <780032.7875.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Interesting, In March I bought a Ridgid 18 Volt kit with the bag,?drill, sawzall and a nice little radio that has a cord to plug into my MP3 player. It came with two 18 Volt Lithium Ion batteries and one other very sweet accessory,,, The whole kit is guaranteed for life. Even the batteries. That drill is powerfuf!!!! The batteries are full power right up to the point where they give a little click sound and shut off.?? It takes a simple 20 minutes to charge them up again. ? I made a trip into Home Despot for the company I work for and just happened to see a sale on this kit. Bag and all the price was $199.00. The last time I was in there the drill with one battery and a charger was $249.99 and was only guaranteed for three years. Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 12/30/09, germoamer at aol.com wrote: From: germoamer at aol.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 7:55 PM Arnie, Do not know of any adapters for the DeWalts.? But winter has set in? and good time for OT's.? I have a bunch of DeWalt tools and seem to have? better luck with the life of 12 volt batteries lasting longer than 18? volt.? I have had 12 volt batteries last for years and for some reason the? 18 volts do not last any time. Some in less than a year. The best luck? I ever had was with a 15 volt Craftsman drill.? The batteries lasted for 7? years before going bad.? If you take them to a battery rebuilder, they want? 3/4 the price of new batteries. And if you catch the 2-pack 18 volt on sale can? buy new ones cheaper than rebuilds.? Probably would be a smart idea to? learn to rebuild them myself!? Tom? Schmutz Concord,? Va. germoamer at AOL.com _______________________________________________ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Dec 31 03:37:28 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:37:28 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) References: <780032.7875.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <84580EC4150440789582DDF199C4B596@regpc> Having followed this thread, and having cordless stuff with stuffed batteries, I am thinking of re building some battery packs with Lithium Ion replacements. Anyone done this yet? Any clues will be most welcome. I have drills, etc. that are in perfect working order and he battery packs are shot. A real shame to throw out the lot. I am sure there are 1000s of similar all over. Perhaps a new business venture for some aspiring bloke? Happy new year to ALL of you. Reg. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) Interesting, In March I bought a Ridgid 18 Volt kit with the bag, drill, sawzall and a nice little radio that has a cord to plug into my MP3 player. It came with two 18 Volt Lithium Ion batteries and one other very sweet accessory,,, The whole kit is guaranteed for life. Even the batteries. That drill is powerfuf!!!! The batteries are full power right up to the point where they give a little click sound and shut off. It takes a simple 20 minutes to charge them up again. I made a trip into Home Despot for the company I work for and just happened to see a sale on this kit. Bag and all the price was $199.00. The last time I was in there the drill with one battery and a charger was $249.99 and was only guaranteed for three years. Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 12/30/09, germoamer at aol.com wrote: From: germoamer at aol.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 7:55 PM Arnie, Do not know of any adapters for the DeWalts. But winter has set in and good time for OT's. I have a bunch of DeWalt tools and seem to have better luck with the life of 12 volt batteries lasting longer than 18 volt. I have had 12 volt batteries last for years and for some reason the 18 volts do not last any time. Some in less than a year. The best luck I ever had was with a 15 volt Craftsman drill. The batteries lasted for 7 years before going bad. If you take them to a battery rebuilder, they want 3/4 the price of new batteries. And if you catch the 2-pack 18 volt on sale can buy new ones cheaper than rebuilds. Probably would be a smart idea to learn to rebuild them myself! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 31 05:34:51 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:34:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) In-Reply-To: <84580EC4150440789582DDF199C4B596@regpc> Message-ID: Reg: I believe you will come to grief trying to charge Lithium Ion batteries with a NiCad charger. Best bet would probably be to get some of the newer type NiCads which behave a lot better than the old ones. This will get you a lot of NiCads! http://www.mouser.com/Power/Batteries/Rechargeable-Batteries/NiCd-Nickel-Cadmium-Battery/_/N-5gbr/ Good luck! Oh, yes - almost forgot! HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Reg Ingold > Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 05:37 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) > > > Having followed this thread, and having cordless > stuff with stuffed > batteries, I am thinking of re building some > battery packs with Lithium Ion > replacements. > Anyone done this yet? ...............snip....................... > Reg. > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle. NSW. Australia > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Dec 31 04:43:07 2009 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:43:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) References: Message-ID: <655D9FBCFC804B91B88C069FFAF2806B@regpc> Thanks Elden. I am working in the dark on this. From what I have seen and gleaned, the Lithium APPEARED the way to go. Before I do anything, I want as much input as I can get. I know nothing on the charging characteristics, etc. Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden DuRand" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) > Reg: > > I believe you will come to grief trying to charge Lithium Ion batteries > with a NiCad charger. Best bet would probably be to get some of the newer > type NiCads which behave a lot better than the old ones. > > This will get you a lot of NiCads! > > http://www.mouser.com/Power/Batteries/Rechargeable-Batteries/NiCd-Nickel-Cadmium-Battery/_/N-5gbr/ > > Good luck! > > Oh, yes - almost forgot! HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY! > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Reg Ingold >> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 05:37 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) >> >> >> Having followed this thread, and having cordless >> stuff with stuffed >> batteries, I am thinking of re building some >> battery packs with Lithium Ion >> replacements. >> Anyone done this yet? > > ...............snip....................... > >> Reg. >> Reg & Marg Ingold >> Newcastle. NSW. Australia >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Dec 31 05:19:00 2009 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:19:00 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Geoff from the Anson Museum gets an MBE Message-ID: <6C84C6B555D44FE4BF13EF89581A732B@zen> Geoff has been awarded an MBE in the New Year 2010 Honours List for services to Industrial Heritage. He received a letter from Downing Street about 6 weeks ago asking if he would accept the honour if it was granted. He is absolutely thrilled as you can imagine and Margaret, his partner says "It has nearly killed me having to keep it a secret until now." See http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/DG_183673 I am posting this mainly for the Aussies and Canadians that have visited the museum! Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Thu Dec 31 06:17:18 2009 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 01:17:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Happy New Year Message-ID: Happy New Year from Sydney. We just got home from watching the fireworks! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Thu Dec 31 06:30:43 2009 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 01:30:43 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Geoff from the Anson Museum gets an MBE In-Reply-To: <6C84C6B555D44FE4BF13EF89581A732B@zen> Message-ID: Please pass my congratulations on to Geoff. Patrick On 1/1/10 12:19 AM, "Dave Croft" wrote: > Geoff has been awarded an MBE in the New Year 2010 Honours List for services > to Industrial Heritage. > He received a letter from Downing Street about 6 weeks ago asking if he would > accept the honour if it was granted. > He is absolutely thrilled as you can imagine and Margaret, his partner says > "It has nearly killed me having to keep it a secret > until now." > See http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/DG_183673 > I am posting this mainly for the Aussies and Canadians that have visited the > museum! > > > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From tchristoff at earthlink.net Thu Dec 31 07:23:05 2009 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 10:23:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) Message-ID: <20902792.1262272986041.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> For home use the Lithium might be good but I think they Suck. You really don't have any warning to when they will die, they just die. WIth the NiCad's, at least you will get a warning. The Lithium also don't last as long on a charge, I get 30% more use out of a NiCad. The only good thing I have found about the Lithium's is their weight. Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Reg Ingold >Sent: Dec 31, 2009 7:43 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) > >Thanks Elden. I am working in the dark on this. From what I have seen and >gleaned, the Lithium APPEARED the way to go. >Before I do anything, I want as much input as I can get. >I know nothing on the charging characteristics, etc. >Reg & Marg Ingold >Newcastle. NSW. Australia >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Elden DuRand" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 12:34 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) > > >> Reg: >> >> I believe you will come to grief trying to charge Lithium Ion batteries >> with a NiCad charger. Best bet would probably be to get some of the newer >> type NiCads which behave a lot better than the old ones. >> >> This will get you a lot of NiCads! >> >> http://www.mouser.com/Power/Batteries/Rechargeable-Batteries/NiCd-Nickel-Cadmium-Battery/_/N-5gbr/ >> >> Good luck! >> >> Oh, yes - almost forgot! HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY! >> >> Take care - Elden >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>> Behalf Of Reg Ingold >>> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 05:37 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) >>> >>> >>> Having followed this thread, and having cordless >>> stuff with stuffed >>> batteries, I am thinking of re building some >>> battery packs with Lithium Ion >>> replacements. >>> Anyone done this yet? >> >> ...............snip....................... >> >>> Reg. >>> Reg & Marg Ingold >>> Newcastle. NSW. Australia >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 31 08:06:37 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:06:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Geoff from the Anson Museum gets an MBE Message-ID: Hi Dave, Man, what great news. Thanks for posting this! Geoff, CONGRATS!! Richly deserved! See ya, Arnie PS - So why exactly, are you ignoring the Yanks who have visited the Museum? 8-)) On Thu, December 31, 2009 8:19 am, Dave Croft wrote: > Geoff has been awarded an MBE in the New Year 2010 Honours List for services to > Industrial Heritage. > He received a letter from Downing Street about 6 weeks ago asking if he would accept > the honour if it was granted. > He is absolutely thrilled as you can imagine and Margaret, his partner says "It has > nearly killed me having to keep it a secret > until now." > See http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/DG_183673 > I am posting this mainly for the Aussies and Canadians that have visited the museum! From hallaran at juno.com Thu Dec 31 08:26:48 2009 From: hallaran at juno.com (Jack Hallaran) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:26:48 GMT Subject: [SEL] Spam> Happy New Year Message-ID: <20091231.112648.18501.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Pat, Happy New Year my brother in rust! Jack Hallaran Atlanta, Ga From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Dec 31 09:24:28 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:24:28 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091231192039.028cfee0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Happy New Year to all on the lists. In about 4 1/2 hours I'm gonna hit the delete key on 2009 and try to pretend it never happened :-) Best wishes to you all and may you all have a prosperous 2010. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From falcon at telenet.net Thu Dec 31 09:50:19 2009 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:50:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) In-Reply-To: <5210.14482964.386d509c@aol.com> References: <5210.14482964.386d509c@aol.com> Message-ID: <4B3CE45B.4030609@telenet.net> germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Arnie, > > Do not know of any adapters for the DeWalts. But winter has set in and > good time for OT's. I have a bunch of DeWalt tools and seem to have better > luck with the life of 12 volt batteries lasting longer than 18 volt. I have > had 12 volt batteries last for years and for some reason the 18 volts do > not last any time. Some in less than a year. The best luck I ever had was > with a 15 volt Craftsman drill. The batteries lasted for 7 years before > going bad. If you take them to a battery rebuilder, they want 3/4 the price of > new batteries. And if you catch the 2-pack 18 volt on sale can buy new > ones cheaper than rebuilds. Probably would be a smart idea to learn to > rebuild them myself! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > I've seen adapters for DeWalt and Makitas at the various Fire/Rescue shows. Never looked at who made them though. May have been Power Hawk or Nomad -- Steve W. From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Dec 31 10:24:51 2009 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:24:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] New Years crankup ?? Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20091231200428.028a8ac0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi all, There's been no talk of a New Year crankup this year - anyone having one? I will not be as I will be fast asleep at midnight. I worked until 5:00 am this morning and I'm "Bushed" (or should that now be "Obama'd). As an alternative, I'll start my pickup's engine just now so that I can park it in the workshop. I hope that's acceptable:-) On the subject of things falling by the wayside - whatever happened to the SEL Charity Xmas Auction. Has it now died officially? Last year's auction seemed to herald it's demise. I've only just made the Brass Plate from last years auction - but that's only because the pics to copy only arrived a few weeks ago but that's not a problem as the winner and I have been in constant touch about them, (before someone again accuses me of taking a year or more to deliver plates ). There is no "time limit". Then again I'm still waiting for pics for some plates that were won on the 2007 (or could it have been 2006) auction - also no problem the winner and I are in touch. O.K. that's enough rambling - Happy New Year (again) to you all. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From George_Best at adp.com Thu Dec 31 11:27:12 2009 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:27:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New Years crankup ?? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20091231200428.028a8ac0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091231200428.028a8ac0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40F33E7EE79@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Jerry, I'll start up one or more of my engines on the first day of the year. Will be at some non-engine friends tonight to see the new year in. I'm afraid you're probably right about the auction demise. I think our group has gotten small enough it just faded away with hardly anyone noticing. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:25 AM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] New Years crankup ?? Hi all, There's been no talk of a New Year crankup this year - anyone having one? I will not be as I will be fast asleep at midnight. I worked until 5:00 am this morning and I'm "Bushed" (or should that now be "Obama'd). As an alternative, I'll start my pickup's engine just now so that I can park it in the workshop. I hope that's acceptable:-) On the subject of things falling by the wayside - whatever happened to the SEL Charity Xmas Auction. Has it now died officially? Last year's auction seemed to herald it's demise. I've only just made the Brass Plate from last years auction - but that's only because the pics to copy only arrived a few weeks ago but that's not a problem as the winner and I have been in constant touch about them, (before someone again accuses me of taking a year or more to deliver plates ). There is no "time limit". Then again I'm still waiting for pics for some plates that were won on the 2007 (or could it have been 2006) auction - also no problem the winner and I are in touch. O.K. that's enough rambling - Happy New Year (again) to you all. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Dec 31 11:30:26 2009 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:30:26 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Geoff from the Anson Museum gets an MBE References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: Cc: "atis" ; Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Geoff from the Anson Museum gets an MBE > Hi Dave, > > Man, what great news. Thanks for posting this! > > Geoff, CONGRATS!! Richly deserved! > > See ya, Arnie Snip Sorry Arnie, I forgot the days when you came to civilised engine appreciation. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Dec 31 14:45:56 2009 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:45:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Happy New Year In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Patrick: Happy New Year! I suppose I wasn't -exactly- too early with my New Year's photo (posted on my web page). It was taken at about 4:00 pm, so must have been just in time for your fireworks! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick > Livingstone > Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 08:17 AM > To: ATIS; Oldengine > Subject: [SEL] Spam> Happy New Year > > > Happy New Year from Sydney. We just got home from > watching the fireworks! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From bigflywheel at aol.com Thu Dec 31 14:17:56 2009 From: bigflywheel at aol.com (bigflywheel at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:17:56 EST Subject: [SEL] German Engines Message-ID: <694c.773c9b7b.386e7d14@aol.com> I am looking for any engine built in Germany for sale or any nice engine across the pond. What do you have? Send photos please. Thank You Kevin K USA BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Dec 31 15:05:10 2009 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:05:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] German Engines In-Reply-To: <694c.773c9b7b.386e7d14@aol.com> References: <694c.773c9b7b.386e7d14@aol.com> Message-ID: <0aff7d4995b3ca7d56da02745bbfda64.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com> Kevin, You need to go to the Nuenen engine rally in the Netherlands. http://home.kpn.nl/antonvandercruijsen/ Loads of rare & exotic engines; more inverted engines than you've ever seen in one place; and wonderful engine folk as far as the eye can see. AND a fair number are "Te Koop." See ya, Arnie On Thu, December 31, 2009 5:17 pm, bigflywheel at aol.com wrote: > I am looking for any engine built in Germany for sale or any nice engine > across the pond. What do you have? > Send photos please. > Thank You > Kevin K USA > > BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM From george at irontrader.com Thu Dec 31 16:39:48 2009 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:39:48 -0800 Subject: [SEL] German Engines In-Reply-To: <694c.773c9b7b.386e7d14@aol.com> References: <694c.773c9b7b.386e7d14@aol.com> Message-ID: <000901ca8a7a$ece452b0$c6acf810$@com> Kevin, There are a fair number of German engines already in this country. Just don't know of any for sale at the moment. Arnie is right that there are lots of collectors in Europe and lots of engines available if you're willing to pay the prices they want. Years ago European engines were a lot cheaper than they are now, plus our dollar has lost a lot of value compared to the euro. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bigflywheel at aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 2:18 PM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] German Engines I am looking for any engine built in Germany for sale or any nice engine across the pond. What do you have? Send photos please. Thank You Kevin K USA BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From reb1952 at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 31 17:00:00 2009 From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:00:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New Years crankup ?? References: <5.2.1.1.2.20091231200428.028a8ac0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Will be firing one up but won't be at midnite. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:24 PM Subject: [SEL] New Years crankup ?? > Hi all, > There's been no talk of a New Year crankup this year - anyone > having one? > > I will not be as I will be fast asleep at midnight. I worked until > 5:00 am this morning and I'm "Bushed" (or should that now be "Obama'd). > > As an alternative, I'll start my pickup's engine just now so that > I can park it in the workshop. I hope that's acceptable:-) > > On the subject of things falling by the wayside - whatever > happened to the SEL Charity Xmas Auction. Has it now died officially? Last > year's auction seemed to herald it's demise. > > I've only just made the Brass Plate from last years auction - but > that's only because the pics to copy only arrived a few weeks ago but > that's not a problem as the winner and I have been in constant touch about > them, (before someone again accuses me of taking a year or more to deliver > plates ). There is no "time limit". Then again I'm still waiting > for pics for some plates that were won on the 2007 (or could it have been > 2006) auction - also no problem the winner and I are in touch. > > O.K. that's enough rambling - Happy New Year (again) to you all. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Thu Dec 31 17:13:58 2009 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland ) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 01:13:58 +0000 Subject: [SEL] New Years crankup ?? Message-ID: Running the 8 HP John lauson right now Tom Winland Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Dickie Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 01:00:00 To: Subject: Re: [SEL] New Years crankup ?? Will be firing one up but won't be at midnite. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:24 PM Subject: [SEL] New Years crankup ?? > Hi all, >???????? There's been no talk of a New Year crankup this year - anyone > having one? > >???????? I will not be as I will be fast asleep at midnight. I worked until > 5:00 am this morning and I'm "Bushed" (or should that now be "Obama'd). > >???????? As an alternative, I'll start my pickup's engine just now so that > I can park it in the workshop. I hope that's acceptable:-) > >???????? On the subject of things falling by the wayside - whatever > happened to the SEL Charity Xmas Auction. Has it now died officially? Last > year's auction seemed to herald it's demise. > >???????? I've only just made the Brass Plate from last years auction - but > that's only because the pics to copy only arrived a few weeks ago but > that's not a problem as the winner and I have been in constant touch about > them, (before someone again accuses me of taking a year or more to deliver > plates ). There is no "time limit". Then again I'm still waiting > for pics for some plates that were won on the 2007 (or could it have been > 2006) auction - also no problem the winner and I are in touch. > >???????? O.K. that's enough rambling - Happy New Year (again) to you all. > > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 31 17:14:46 2009 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:14:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) In-Reply-To: <20902792.1262272986041.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <737387.74897.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I will use them over ni-cads anytime. My lithiums recharge so fast it is crazy how long they will last. My 18 Volt drill has an auto shift that will kick it into low gear if it is needed. The only time I felt it kick in was when I was drilling through metal and when it penetrated the other side and bit off more than the bit could chew that drill jumped into low gear and kept going. ? Alan in Michigan --- On Thu, 12/31/09, Tim Christoff wrote: From: Tim Christoff Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 10:23 AM For home use the Lithium might be good but I think they Suck.? You really don't have any warning to when they will die, they just die.? WIth the NiCad's, at least you will get a warning.? The Lithium also don't last as long on a charge, I get 30% more use out of a NiCad.? The only good thing I have found about the Lithium's is their weight. Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Reg Ingold >Sent: Dec 31, 2009 7:43 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) > >Thanks Elden. I am working in the dark on this. From what I have seen and >gleaned, the Lithium APPEARED the way to go. >Before I do anything, I want as much input as I can get. >I know nothing on the charging characteristics, etc. >Reg & Marg Ingold >Newcastle. NSW. Australia >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Elden DuRand" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 12:34 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) > > >> Reg: >> >> I believe you will come to grief trying to charge Lithium Ion batteries >> with a NiCad charger.? Best bet would probably be to get some of the newer >> type NiCads which behave a lot better than the old ones. >> >> This will get you a lot of NiCads! >> >> http://www.mouser.com/Power/Batteries/Rechargeable-Batteries/NiCd-Nickel-Cadmium-Battery/_/N-5gbr/ >> >> Good luck! >> >> Oh, yes - almost forgot!? HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY! >> >> Take care - Elden >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>>? Behalf Of Reg Ingold >>> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 05:37 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) >>> >>> >>> Having followed this thread, and having cordless >>> stuff with stuffed >>> batteries, I am thinking of re building some >>> battery packs with Lithium Ion >>> replacements. >>> Anyone done this yet? >> >> ...............snip....................... >> >>> Reg. >>> Reg & Marg Ingold >>> Newcastle. NSW. Australia >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au Thu Dec 31 22:15:05 2009 From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 17:15:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) In-Reply-To: <737387.74897.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20902792.1262272986041.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <737387.74897.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008701ca8aa9$c3087d20$49197760$@com.au> Oh absolutely - Lithium over NiCd anytime! They last ages and charge quickly and most importantly do not have memory. If you repeatedly charge NiCd when they are not depleted they will start to "remember" this and fail much earlier than they should have. The Lithium will generally be a higher amp-hour battery for the same size (this means they work longer between charges). Regards Paul -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Friday, 1 January 2010 12:15 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Cordless Tools (Semi-OT) I will use them over ni-cads anytime. My lithiums recharge so fast it is crazy how long they will last. My 18 Volt drill has an auto shift that will kick it into low gear if it is needed. The only time I felt it kick in was when I was drilling through metal and when it penetrated the other side and bit off more than the bit could chew that drill jumped into low gear and kept going. ? Alan in Michigan