From k_armstrong at arach.net.au  Sat Aug  1 02:09:44 2009
From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 17:09:44 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine engine ....Australian members
References: <E47E41FCBD084D72ABF38A3A310EC9E9@your9e74d7efa7><C4978E01174F4DC889ADA99DEEAD9CFD@armstrong>
	<49034796B92A4798AEFBA22859EBCA22@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <1398C273E00E4BB0B3C0C19318CB0E8B@armstrong>

The question was

Hello peter,
>> Did you get a reply for this email as I have one and in need of
>> information
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine engine

And then the massive emails come thru, some replied with good information 
others want to rip you apart, yes I have read many emails and not knowing 
the answer never responded, some people use acronyms which will not mean 
much to people that don't know.
I get 35 to 40 emails a day and with different formats the screen may look 
the same at the start so I delete it.
Some people attacked Kerry and Peter but ignored me who was the person 
asking the question.
May be I should have emailed Peter direct and then the answers would be 
private and only we would have the information.????


Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member
V.C.C. of WA. member
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Sunshine engine ....Australian members


> Hi Kevin...........No  response at all  through SEL .  I have given up 
> with
> SEL ,it consists of US content mainly . Those Australians that are on it
> seem to completly absorbed in the US.
> However I have been able to contact a former member of the now defunct 
> TOMMS
> Forum .This was done through a network of very good and helpful ex members
> .We are going to establish this network to help us with our questions and
> answers. If you are interested let me know and I will add your email 
> address
> to the list.
> Regarding the Sunshine Engine , what information do you want, if I have it 
> I
> will let you know
> regards Peter Ogborne.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "kevin armstrong" <k_armstrong at arach.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 7:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Sunshine engine ....Australian members
>
>
>> Hello peter,
>> Did you get a reply for this email as i have one and in need of
>> information
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
>> Collectors of old things
>> Perth
>> WA
>> Australia
>> Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member
>> V.C.C. of WA. member
>> k_armstrong at arach.net.au
>> www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 4:41 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] Sunshine engine ....Australian members
>>
>>
>>> Is there anyone please who is familier with this engine .It is the
>>> vertical two stroke . I would like an explanation of the governor and 
>>> the
>>> carburator.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Sat Aug  1 03:32:58 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 20:32:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] List Maners
In-Reply-To: <D9330323CDEA4F1AA07D5A301BF73474@KerryPC>
References: <E47E41FCBD084D72ABF38A3A310EC9E9@your9e74d7efa7><C4978E01174F4DC889ADA99DEEAD9CFD@armstrong><49034796B92A4798AEFBA22859EBCA22@acer8ff47bfe9a><E9F1735BD98E47D59D823399248400C9@KerryPC>
	<D9330323CDEA4F1AA07D5A301BF73474@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <BCA9F755D0F041F2BFEC7774849F09E1@KerryPC>


G'Day All
Thanks you those that replied, I think the number of replies although good 
it shows that most of us fit into one of  the 1-7 list.
some interesting replies with some thought put into it.
I will at least put more effort and try to help/reply when I can.

> G'Day All
>
> Question in general, is there a increasing lack of people getting involved
> in discussion where help is asked.
>
> My thoughts on reasons.
> 1. I know little or nothing about a particular engine but will wait for an
> answer to increase my knowledge.
> 2. I don't care, I don't have that engine so just delete the post
> 3. others know better so let them answer (they have in the past).
> 4. last time I tried to help, I jot blasted by others, so stuff it.
> 5. last time I tried to help I got no reply so not wasting my time again,
> 6. I only read the list and seldom post even if I could help.
> 7. I don't like him so will not answer.
>



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Aug  1 10:00:36 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:00:36 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine engine ....Australian members
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090801184813.01878fa8@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 01/08/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 11
>Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 17:09:44 +0800
>From: "kevin armstrong" <k_armstrong at arach.net.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Sunshine engine ....Australian members
>
>The question was
>Hello peter,
> >> Did you get a reply for this email as I have one and in need of
> >> information
>Subject: [SEL] Sunshine engine
>
>And then the massive emails come thru, some replied with good information
>others want to rip you apart, yes I have read many emails and not knowing
>the answer never responded, some people use acronyms which will not mean
>much to people that don't know.
>I get 35 to 40 emails a day and with different formats the screen may look
>the same at the start so I delete it.
>Some people attacked Kerry and Peter but ignored me who was the person
>asking the question.
>May be I should have emailed Peter direct and then the answers would be
>private and only we would have the information.????
>Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
>Collectors of old things

Hi Kevin,
         May I correct you on one point. I do not think anyone "attacked" 
either Kerry or Peter. A discussion started and people gave their answers 
as Kerry had asked. That's all, I personally did not see any answer that 
"attacked" either of them. For that matter I did not even see one answer 
that was in any way rude or unfriendly. Maybe I missed something.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Aug  1 10:21:12 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:21:12 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  List manners
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090801190228.00b9f480@mail.atech.co.za>


>
>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>Subject: [SEL] List manners
>
>
>Jerry can I slip this in while you take breath?
<Big grin> :-)
Jerry
<big snip>
  Having said that I do feel that the SEL is not what it used to be 
.......of course the replies to that statement will go somewhere else!
>An interesting dilema arises ......should I quote an answer on SEL that is 
>attributed to a non SEL member. I suppose if I re word it it is 
>ethical....what do you think?

Hi Peter,
         Thanks for the reply. Yes I agree that the SEL is not what it used 
to be and I've been a member for a lot less time than you so it must have 
been quite awesome in the early days. There seem to be a lot less questions 
asked these days and correspondingly fewer answers but in my experience 
I've got very useful answers to my questions even if there have only been a 
few. Even though I've only been here 5 years I have seen the drop off and 
it is a subject that has cropped up quite often for discussion. I suppose 
that's just "progress".
         I see no reason for not posting the info from a non member, give 
him the credit but post it.
         On my Maytag coil conversion I learnt most of the info I had from 
"Smokstak" and posted it here but did mention I had got it from "Smokstak". 
Nothing wrong with that - we are all open forums and here to learn and help.
Keep well
Jerry.
P.S. I hope you did not think I or anyone else attacked you as Kevin seemed 
to think!




From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Sat Aug  1 15:39:48 2009
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurSouthwell)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:39:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Sat Aug  1 16:37:27 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (kimmell at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 23:37:27 +0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test
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From gastzt at aol.com  Sat Aug  1 16:49:07 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:49:07 EDT
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test
Message-ID: <c04.65986dc4.37a62e73@aol.com>

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 Pleasanton, Tx
 old stovers
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From pwaugh at embarqmail.com  Sat Aug  1 18:40:18 2009
From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 21:40:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test
References: <c04.65986dc4.37a62e73@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6F3DA4090ADB46C7A4E38C41FAA063D4@PAULDESKTOP>

At least the test is not breaking list manners ... is it??, and is sure more 
interesting.

Paul - IN
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <gastzt at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test


> IT WORKS GOOD!
>  Stan
> Pleasanton, Tx
> old stovers
> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 
> easy
> steps!
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From swork at endacomm.com  Sat Aug  1 18:43:18 2009
From: swork at endacomm.com (S. Work)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 21:43:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Sun Aug  2 04:17:50 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Domeney Brothers)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:17:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
Message-ID: <35D19DE309264041B7CCCF57E92FE634@shed>

Hello all
The discussion on "List Maners" (Manners?) and "lurkers" prompts me to come out of lurking and join in.

I haven't had much to say since joining because most of the time the topics are either about engines of which I know nothing (that's a lot!) or semi personal and club talk - travelling, who's doing this at the weekend, did you see that there? etc.

However, my conscience is pricked by the comment that forums work well when more members join in, so here I am (again). 

I have acquired a Lister GK2, but Patrick Knight in his book  A-Z of Brit Stationary Engines states that these were based on US LeRoy engines. Can anyone tell me anything of the LeRoy, please? 

I imagine this Lister was built prior to WWII, as it has a reconditioners plate advising that it was rebuilt in January 1950.

The internal oil flow is interesting. No crankshaft oilways to the big ends, but channels cast around the wall at the base of the block, taking oil from the oil pump to two webs spanning the sump. (the oil pan?) These webs also have channels on the top surface, and dippers on each con rod bearing cap pick up oil from the channels.

It means that oil is kept supplied to the big ends even when the oil level in the sump is way way down. Or being a marine engine, when the engine is at extreme angles in a heavy sea. Very clever!

Anyway, in the interests of generating discussion I would like to know a bit more about LeRoy.

With thanks in advance,

Teddee.
PS Apologies to US readers- I don't know all the terms you use for engine parts.

From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Aug  2 05:28:17 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:28:17 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
References: <35D19DE309264041B7CCCF57E92FE634@shed>
Message-ID: <839F5AE073654F678A6E30271902F4FE@peterlowe>

Hi Teddee
So you lurk no longer, welcome to the group mate
I know nothing about Lister GK2 engines so we will wait to see who does !!
Here is a picture
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1455921838041170552KKSlxp


Peter
Australia





> Hello all
> The discussion on "List Maners" (Manners?) and "lurkers" prompts me to 
> come out of lurking and join in.
>
> I haven't had much to say since joining because most of the time the 
> topics are either about engines of which I know nothing (that's a lot!) or 
> semi personal and club talk - travelling, who's doing this at the weekend, 
> did you see that there? etc.
>
> However, my conscience is pricked by the comment that forums work well 
> when more members join in, so here I am (again).
>
> I have acquired a Lister GK2, but Patrick Knight in his book  A-Z of Brit 
> Stationary Engines states that these were based on US LeRoy engines. Can 
> anyone tell me anything of the LeRoy, please?
>
> I imagine this Lister was built prior to WWII, as it has a reconditioners 
> plate advising that it was rebuilt in January 1950.
>
> The internal oil flow is interesting. No crankshaft oilways to the big 
> ends, but channels cast around the wall at the base of the block, taking 
> oil from the oil pump to two webs spanning the sump. (the oil pan?) These 
> webs also have channels on the top surface, and dippers on each con rod 
> bearing cap pick up oil from the channels.
>
> It means that oil is kept supplied to the big ends even when the oil level 
> in the sump is way way down. Or being a marine engine, when the engine is 
> at extreme angles in a heavy sea. Very clever!
>
> Anyway, in the interests of generating discussion I would like to know a 
> bit more about LeRoy.
>
> With thanks in advance,
>
> Teddee.
> PS Apologies to US readers- I don't know all the terms you use for engine 
> parts.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Aug  2 05:31:56 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 06:31:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
In-Reply-To: <35D19DE309264041B7CCCF57E92FE634@shed>
References: <35D19DE309264041B7CCCF57E92FE634@shed>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS7FBF1508C8DE354C6EEB7BB0E0@phx.gbl>

Teddee, actually it's Le Roi (French for "The King")  I've been told it was 
bought out in the '50's by Waukesau (sp) and all records were destroyed.

Here's mine plus some pictures I've acquired.

[URL=http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/65649488NjdIcx][IMG]http://thumb11.webshots.net/t/64/164/9/34/15/521993415rvJuPz_th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

Well let's see if that link works..if not, we'll try something else.

Regards
RickinMontana


> Anyway, in the interests of generating discussion I would like to know a 
> bit more about LeRoy.
>
> With thanks in advance,
>
> Teddee.
> PS Apologies to US readers- I don't know all the terms you use for engine 
> parts.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Aug  2 05:41:27 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:41:27 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
References: <35D19DE309264041B7CCCF57E92FE634@shed>
	<BAY113-DS7FBF1508C8DE354C6EEB7BB0E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0989B14A5BCC43468CC17E4997807806@peterlowe>

Try this:
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/65649488NjdIcx][IMG]http://thumb11.webshots.net/t/64/164/9/34/15/521993415rvJuPz_th.jpg

Peter, Oz




> Teddee, actually it's Le Roi (French for "The King")  I've been told it 
> was bought out in the '50's by Waukesau (sp) and all records were 
> destroyed.
>
> Here's mine plus some pictures I've acquired.
>
> [URL=http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/65649488NjdIcx][IMG]http://thumb11.webshots.net/t/64/164/9/34/15/521993415rvJuPz_th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
>
> Well let's see if that link works..if not, we'll try something else.
>
> Regards
> RickinMontana
>
>
>> Anyway, in the interests of generating discussion I would like to know a 
>> bit more about LeRoy.
>>
>> With thanks in advance,
>>
>> Teddee.
>> PS Apologies to US readers- I don't know all the terms you use for engine 
>> parts.
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From gastzt at aol.com  Sun Aug  2 06:45:36 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:45:36 EDT
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test
Message-ID: <bf1.5a026aa6.37a6f280@aol.com>

yes---this really IS different-----
 Stan
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy 
steps! 
(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd
=JulystepsfooterNO115)


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Aug  2 10:20:36 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:20:36 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Lister GK2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1249228802.525.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090802182129.02030a80@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 02/08/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 8
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:17:50 +1000
>From: "Domeney Brothers" <dombros2 at clearmail.com.au>
>Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>Hello all
>The discussion on "List Maners" (Manners?) and "lurkers" prompts me to 
>come out of lurking and join in.
>
>I haven't had much to say since joining because most of the time the 
>topics are either about engines of which I know nothing (that's a lot!) or 
>semi personal and club talk - travelling, who's doing this at the weekend, 
>did you see that there? etc.
>
>However, my conscience is pricked by the comment that forums work well 
>when more members join in, so here I am (again).
>
>I have acquired a Lister GK2, but Patrick Knight in his book  A-Z of Brit 
>Stationary Engines states that these were based on US LeRoy engines. Can 
>anyone tell me anything of the LeRoy, please?
>
>I imagine this Lister was built prior to WWII, as it has a reconditioners 
>plate advising that it was rebuilt in January 1950.
>
>The internal oil flow is interesting. No crankshaft oilways to the big 
>ends, but channels cast around the wall at the base of the block, taking 
>oil from the oil pump to two webs spanning the sump. (the oil pan?) These 
>webs also have channels on the top surface, and dippers on each con rod 
>bearing cap pick up oil from the channels.
>
>It means that oil is kept supplied to the big ends even when the oil level 
>in the sump is way way down. Or being a marine engine, when the engine is 
>at extreme angles in a heavy sea. Very clever!
>
>Anyway, in the interests of generating discussion I would like to know a 
>bit more about LeRoy.
>
>With thanks in advance,
>
>Teddee.
>PS Apologies to US readers- I don't know all the terms you use for engine 
>parts.

Hi Tedee,
         Thanks for joining in. Yes, the Lister G1 and G2 were built by 
Lister under licence from the Le Roi Company of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA, 
and are to all intents and puposes identical. (The "K" in yours indicates 
that it was set up to run on Kerosene (Power Paraffin to us in South Africa 
- not sure what you called it in Aus)
         The GK2 had a bore x stroke of 3 3/8" x 4 1/2" and produced 4 3/4 
H.P. @ 700 RPM on kero up to 12 HP @ 1500 RPM on petrol with almost 
infinite variables between (depending on speed.)
         They came in various configurations - radiator cooled, tank 
cooled, gearboxes and sometimes in an enclosure etc.
         I had a Le Roi twin (see it on Rick's website I think - that's 
Richard Strobel - Rick in Montana) until recently when I gave it to a mate 
of mine who really likes twins - I've got more than enough other engines 
waiting for attention and it was better off with him. To the best of my 
knowledge it was the only Le Roi twin left in South Africa - they were 
popular here as the engine on certain borehole drilling rigs.
         I did a lot of searching on the net for info and although there 
are a number of Le Roi's (mostly on Rick's site) I did not find any which 
looked like mine but mine did look pretty identical to the Lister G2.
         The plate on mine stated 3 1/2" x 2 7/8" (bore x stroke) and gave 
the Model No. as VRP1 with Serial No. 238408. There was no reference to 
Horsepower. (Lister GK2 manual states a bore of 3 3/8" and stroke of 4 1/2" 
and   - Lister must have increased the stroke and decreased the bore. 
Comments anyone ?
         So there you go Tedee, that's the sum total of my knowledge about 
Le Roi twin engines.
         I have a Lister G1 & G2 manual which I downloaded from Paul Evans' 
"Internal Fire" site and could supply you with a copy but I'd prefer it if 
you logged on to "Internal Fire" and paid the few bucks necessary (all to a 
good cause) and downloaded it direct.
         Once again, thanks for joining in - that's what makes the lists 
interesting and worthwhile.

P.S. You do not have to apologise to the Yanks - they're not really that 
stupid :-) (This with reference to a big "Faux Pas" I made last year - they 
know what I'm talking about !!)
<big smile>.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Aug  2 10:23:05 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:23:05 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1249228802.525.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090802192136.0203c278@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 02/08/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 06:31:56 -0600
>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister GK2
>
>Teddee, actually it's Le Roi (French for "The King")  I've been told it was
>bought out in the '50's by Waukesau (sp) and all records were destroyed.
>
>Here's mine plus some pictures I've acquired.
>
>[URL=http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/65649488NjdIcx][IMG]http://thumb11.webshots.net/t/64/164/9/34/15/521993415rvJuPz_th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
>Well let's see if that link works..if not, we'll try something else.
>Regards
>RickinMontana
Hi Rick,
         It did not work for me but I've been there before.
Keep well

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Aug  2 12:22:10 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:22:10 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me :-)
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090802192410.02032350@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys & Gals,
         Hold thumbs for me please.
         I'm hot on the trail of a Lister 6/1 diesel (or 5/1 - same engine) 
"radiator cooled" and hope to see it on the back of my pickup in the next 
few days. (The engine that the "Listeroids" were copied from).
         As many of you know, we now have a Black government and they are 
systematically trying their best to destroy all the "infrastructure" built 
up previously! Well, this time it looks like it may just be to my benefit 
if things go the way I hope.
         I have come across 2 radiator cooled Lister diesel 6/1's installed 
together in 1953 as "standby" engines in a boiler room of our South African 
Railways maintenance workshops. They were there to use in the case of 
(electrical) power failures and to keep the "grates" of the boiler working.
         As many of you probably know, we did not have many power failures 
in those days (things worked properly - unlike today). Anyway, these 
engines have been "scrapped" (possibly as part of a scheme to enrich some 
or other govmunt official) and became part of a very large "lot" sold to a 
scrappie.
         I have met with this "scrappie" him and he is quite prepared to 
sell me one at a very reasonable price - unfortunately not both - he'd like 
to keep one for himself but I'm working on that as well (he is NOT a 
collector - just appreciates these kind of things) - can you imagine two of 
these beautiful engines displayed in their original "working clothes" with 
very close serial numbers - Wow - that must be many an engine man's dream. 
Of course the fact that they are both "radiator cooled" is also a major 
plus - most were supplied set up for "tank cooling".
         These Lister engines (only 56 years old in this case - not as 
glamorous as many of your engines) are engines that I have always admired 
but never thought that I would be lucky enough to own. They run beautifully 
and do definitely have their place in the realm of "historically 
significant" stationary engines. (read David Edgingtons book on the CS 
(Cold Start) diesels here:
<http://www.stationaryenginebooks.co.uk/listercs.htm>)

         Hey, It's great to talk about engines for a change :-) (and engine 
dreams maybe).

         Back to the story. I was also lucky enough to meet up with a 
millwright who has spent his whole working life in the same workshops and 
he told me (I have no reason to
disbelieve him) that these 2 engines were never "started in anger" ie. they 
were never called upon to perform the duties for which they were installed 
- the only times that they ran were for regular maintenance and service. He 
surmised that they had not run for more than 50 hours each and again, I 
have no reason not to believe him.
         Please guys - hold thumbs for me here!
         Back to the story!
         I first saw these 2 engines when my brother asked me to go to a 
"preview" of the stuff on auction as he was interested in some lathe parts 
about 3 weeks ago. I saw the engines from a distance but did not go closer 
for a very good reason. My daughter, Jacqui, had her (uninsured) car stolen 
about 2 weeks previous to that and, not being a person of unlimited 
financial means, engines were just not in the budget - another car for 
Jacqui was top priority. (But those engines stayed in the back of my mind :-))
         Well, without trying to be a preacher, a sign from above came by 
means of an unexpected cash paying job that said "Jerry - go and buy that 
engine!". I'm sure that many of you will understand. The rest will, 
hopefully, be history!

         Back to the engine. As I said, I first viewed it from a distance 
and forced myself not to go closer. It seemed to be very dirty - what I 
assumed was oil - and this did not "tie up" with what the millwright had 
told me about "hours run". I called him again and brought this up - his 
answer was, "It's been in a "boiler room" for 50 years, what do you expect 
- that's soot not oil."

         Hey Guys (and Gals) I seriously want that engine now and do 
believe that it has my name on it. The next 4 or 5 days will tell - as I've 
said "please hold thumbs for me!"

         Watch this space.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Aug  2 12:44:37 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:44:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me :-)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090802192410.02032350@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090802192410.02032350@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS5F7C9799CD9FD45954A76BB0E0@phx.gbl>

Give 'er hell, Jerry !! Full Speed ahead !!! Snooze ya lose :-)

Snoozed here way too many times.

Good Luck
RickinMt.


From george at irontrader.com  Sun Aug  2 13:42:15 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (George Best)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:42:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me :-)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090802192410.02032350@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090802192410.02032350@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <000301ca13b1$b8dbc470$2a934d50$@com>

Jerry,

First time I've heard of "Holding thumbs", we usually "cross your fingers"
when wishing or hoping for something.
Is that an African thing?  Or did I just miss out on the holding thumbs
thing? ;-)

Seriously, I hope you get that engine!

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans

Hi Guys & Gals,
         Hey Guys (and Gals) I seriously want that engine now and do 
believe that it has my name on it. The next 4 or 5 days will tell - as I've 
said "please hold thumbs for me!"

         Watch this space.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Sun Aug  2 15:33:10 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:33:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
In-Reply-To: <35D19DE309264041B7CCCF57E92FE634@shed>
References: <35D19DE309264041B7CCCF57E92FE634@shed>
Message-ID: <728EFCE829A4421BA45BF405E1D5CBC0@KerryPC>

G'Day Teddee

Interesting thread, never knew that Lister copied an American engine (Le 
Roi) thanks Rick
Usually others copied Lister and still are.
Kerry
Lithgow NSW Oz


> Hello all
> The discussion on "List Maners" (Manners?) and "lurkers" prompts me to 
> come out of lurking and join in.
>
> I haven't had much to say since joining because most of the time the 
> topics are either about engines of which I know nothing (that's a lot!) or 
> semi personal and club talk - travelling, who's doing this at the weekend, 
> did you see that there? etc.
>
> However, my conscience is pricked by the comment that forums work well 
> when more members join in, so here I am (again).
>
> I have acquired a Lister GK2, but Patrick Knight in his book  A-Z of Brit 
> Stationary Engines states that these were based on US LeRoy engines. Can 
> anyone tell me anything of the LeRoy, please?
>
> I imagine this Lister was built prior to WWII, as it has a reconditioners 
> plate advising that it was rebuilt in January 1950.
>
> The internal oil flow is interesting. No crankshaft oilways to the big 
> ends, but channels cast around the wall at the base of the block, taking 
> oil from the oil pump to two webs spanning the sump. (the oil pan?) These 
> webs also have channels on the top surface, and dippers on each con rod 
> bearing cap pick up oil from the channels.
>
> It means that oil is kept supplied to the big ends even when the oil level 
> in the sump is way way down. Or being a marine engine, when the engine is 
> at extreme angles in a heavy sea. Very clever!
>
> Anyway, in the interests of generating discussion I would like to know a 
> bit more about LeRoy.
>
> With thanks in advance,
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Aug  2 16:20:42 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:20:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
In-Reply-To: <35D19DE309264041B7CCCF57E92FE634@shed>
	<728EFCE829A4421BA45BF405E1D5CBC0@KerryPC>
References: <35D19DE309264041B7CCCF57E92FE634@shed>
	<728EFCE829A4421BA45BF405E1D5CBC0@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS388E8953E6BDB2B32FD84BB0E0@phx.gbl>

This was interesting;

http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/gas-engines/Le-Roi-Legacy.aspx

Rick


From christison at coastalnet.com  Sun Aug  2 17:40:23 2009
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:40:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Gas Power
Message-ID: <4A7631F7.1030907@coastalnet.com>

I do a lot of google book searches, and one that I have found worthwhile 
lately
are issues of Gas Power magazine.  These are full of great ads and 
useful info
on engines and tractors.  The files are large, so a fast connection is a 
must.

http://books.google.com/books?q=editions:0CZKJjGNvSEgPzl4A8&id=tLHNAAAAMAAJ

And here is another one titled Gas Engine:

http://books.google.com/books?q=editions:07Ltb5KJiHDMXPTD9G&id=0_vNAAAAMAAJ&as_brr=1

Hope they wrap for you.  If not you might need to copy and paste the urls.

Hope someone finds this info useful.  There are numerous great books 
available for download,
so if you are interested, you might want to search and download all you 
can before someone decides
they can charge us for them.  The links above are for the full issues, 
and not previews or snippets.

Take care.

Ken





From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Aug  2 18:47:07 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:47:07 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Model engine .colour? ....Sunshine Engine
Message-ID: <91A8E8873A984733A9C8E6E69B3C872B@acer8ff47bfe9a>

This is a question that Reg Ingold may be able answer....if so thanks Reg.
A friend who does not understand computors [is there an acronym for such people?]Anyway this friend has built a model engine from what I believe is a kit made up by Winter . It is a horizontal ,open crank Roseberry. He is desperate to paint it in authentic colours.He asked me and I guessed Brunswick Green with maybe red flywheel spokes am I correct ?

Regarding my previous postings on the Sunshine Engine ...I was quite prepared to share my ''Expertise '' with all but i have never recieved the ''Question''.

From rotigel at me.com  Sun Aug  2 19:17:05 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:17:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] List manners
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090801190228.00b9f480@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090801190228.00b9f480@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <B5E815B2-1FE7-4B3A-88B1-106AACE492AF@me.com>


On Aug 1, 2009, at 1:21 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:
>  On my Maytag coil conversion I learnt most of the info I had from
> "Smokstak" and posted it here but did mention I had got it from  
> "Smokstak".
> Nothing wrong with that - we are all open forums and here to learn  
> and help.
> Keep well
> Jerry.

Why on earth would anyone on an engine list reply to a post about a  
MOTOR?
	Dave



From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 19:20:23 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:20:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Model engine .colour?
In-Reply-To: <91A8E8873A984733A9C8E6E69B3C872B@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <C69C8687.2052%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

The shade of green varies a bit on Buzacotts. My 5.5hp was colour matched
off its original colour:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/buzacott/0702buzacott.jpg
It is probably one of the paler greens I have seen on a Buzacott. The
striping is correct except that the circles on the flywheels should be
filled with yellow.
I don't think they ever had red flywheel spokes.


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Aug  2 19:33:50 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:33:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Model engine .colour? ....Sunshine Engine
In-Reply-To: <91A8E8873A984733A9C8E6E69B3C872B@acer8ff47bfe9a>
References: <91A8E8873A984733A9C8E6E69B3C872B@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <4AB5DBAD11A4405C831E85D82DDF6CC9@REG>

Brunswick green is the colour. Lining was red or yellow
See my website. Models.
Half size Decals available from www.rusticspares.com.au/ -

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne
Sent: Monday, 3 August 2009 11:47 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Model engine .colour? ....Sunshine Engine

This is a question that Reg Ingold may be able answer....if so thanks Reg.
A friend who does not understand computors [is there an acronym for such
people?]Anyway this friend has built a model engine from what I believe is a
kit made up by Winter . It is a horizontal ,open crank Roseberry. He is
desperate to paint it in authentic colours.He asked me and I guessed
Brunswick Green with maybe red flywheel spokes am I correct ?

Regarding my previous postings on the Sunshine Engine ...I was quite
prepared to share my ''Expertise '' with all but i have never recieved the
''Question''.
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 20:44:05 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:44:05 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Model engine .colour?
In-Reply-To: <91A8E8873A984733A9C8E6E69B3C872B@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <C69C9A25.2055%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

The shade of green varies a bit on Buzacotts. My 5.5hp was colour matched
off its original colour:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/buzacott/0702buzacott.jpg
It is probably one of the paler greens I have seen on a Buzacott. The
striping is correct except that the circles on the flywheels should be
filled with yellow.
I don't think they ever had red flywheel spokes.


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Aug  2 22:01:54 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:01:54 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Model engine .colour? ....Sunshine Engine
References: <91A8E8873A984733A9C8E6E69B3C872B@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<4AB5DBAD11A4405C831E85D82DDF6CC9@REG>
Message-ID: <C9FFBA18210D4E23BED5B0FB354E9B7A@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Thanks a lot Reg and Patrick ,I will pass it on .
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reg Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Model engine .colour? ....Sunshine Engine


> Brunswick green is the colour. Lining was red or yellow
> See my website. Models.
> Half size Decals available from www.rusticspares.com.au/ -
>
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter 
> ogborne
> Sent: Monday, 3 August 2009 11:47 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Model engine .colour? ....Sunshine Engine
>
> This is a question that Reg Ingold may be able answer....if so thanks Reg.
> A friend who does not understand computors [is there an acronym for such
> people?]Anyway this friend has built a model engine from what I believe is 
> a
> kit made up by Winter . It is a horizontal ,open crank Roseberry. He is
> desperate to paint it in authentic colours.He asked me and I guessed
> Brunswick Green with maybe red flywheel spokes am I correct ?
>
> Regarding my previous postings on the Sunshine Engine ...I was quite
> prepared to share my ''Expertise '' with all but i have never recieved the
> ''Question''.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com  Sun Aug  2 23:34:47 2009
From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 06:34:47 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me :-)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090802192410.02032350@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090802192410.02032350@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <SNT107-W6093B3CAC09B90EB47A800D00F0@phx.gbl>


Yes,Jerry sit on that guys door step!
 
> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:22:10 +0200
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> From: jerrye at databak.co.za
> Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me :-)
> 
> Hi Guys & Gals,
> Hold thumbs for me please.
> I'm hot on the trail of a Lister 6/1 diesel (or 5/1 - same engine) 
> "radiator cooled" and hope to see it on the back of my pickup in the next 
> few days. (The engine that the "Listeroids" were copied from).
> As many of you know, we now have a Black government and they are 
> systematically trying their best to destroy all the "infrastructure" built 
> up previously! Well, this time it looks like it may just be to my benefit 
> if things go the way I hope.
> I have come across 2 radiator cooled Lister diesel 6/1's installed 
> together in 1953 as "standby" engines in a boiler room of our South African 
> Railways maintenance workshops. They were there to use in the case of 
> (electrical) power failures and to keep the "grates" of the boiler working.
> As many of you probably know, we did not have many power failures 
> in those days (things worked properly - unlike today). Anyway, these 
> engines have been "scrapped" (possibly as part of a scheme to enrich some 
> or other govmunt official) and became part of a very large "lot" sold to a 
> scrappie.
> I have met with this "scrappie" him and he is quite prepared to 
> sell me one at a very reasonable price - unfortunately not both - he'd like 
> to keep one for himself but I'm working on that as well (he is NOT a 
> collector - just appreciates these kind of things) - can you imagine two of 
> these beautiful engines displayed in their original "working clothes" with 
> very close serial numbers - Wow - that must be many an engine man's dream. 
> Of course the fact that they are both "radiator cooled" is also a major 
> plus - most were supplied set up for "tank cooling".
> These Lister engines (only 56 years old in this case - not as 
> glamorous as many of your engines) are engines that I have always admired 
> but never thought that I would be lucky enough to own. They run beautifully 
> and do definitely have their place in the realm of "historically 
> significant" stationary engines. (read David Edgingtons book on the CS 
> (Cold Start) diesels here:
> <http://www.stationaryenginebooks.co.uk/listercs.htm>)
> 
> Hey, It's great to talk about engines for a change :-) (and engine 
> dreams maybe).
> 
> Back to the story. I was also lucky enough to meet up with a 
> millwright who has spent his whole working life in the same workshops and 
> he told me (I have no reason to
> disbelieve him) that these 2 engines were never "started in anger" ie. they 
> were never called upon to perform the duties for which they were installed 
> - the only times that they ran were for regular maintenance and service. He 
> surmised that they had not run for more than 50 hours each and again, I 
> have no reason not to believe him.
> Please guys - hold thumbs for me here!
> Back to the story!
> I first saw these 2 engines when my brother asked me to go to a 
> "preview" of the stuff on auction as he was interested in some lathe parts 
> about 3 weeks ago. I saw the engines from a distance but did not go closer 
> for a very good reason. My daughter, Jacqui, had her (uninsured) car stolen 
> about 2 weeks previous to that and, not being a person of unlimited 
> financial means, engines were just not in the budget - another car for 
> Jacqui was top priority. (But those engines stayed in the back of my mind :-))
> Well, without trying to be a preacher, a sign from above came by 
> means of an unexpected cash paying job that said "Jerry - go and buy that 
> engine!". I'm sure that many of you will understand. The rest will, 
> hopefully, be history!
> 
> Back to the engine. As I said, I first viewed it from a distance 
> and forced myself not to go closer. It seemed to be very dirty - what I 
> assumed was oil - and this did not "tie up" with what the millwright had 
> told me about "hours run". I called him again and brought this up - his 
> answer was, "It's been in a "boiler room" for 50 years, what do you expect 
> - that's soot not oil."
> 
> Hey Guys (and Gals) I seriously want that engine now and do 
> believe that it has my name on it. The next 4 or 5 days will tell - as I've 
> said "please hold thumbs for me!"
> 
> Watch this space.
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> 
> 
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From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Mon Aug  3 03:06:05 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:06:05 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
Message-ID: <895FAC5A542F4336954F5686D39C4277@HOUSE>

Hi all

Thanks Peter and Richard for your responses and links. Yep!  that's my toy, Peter. 
Richard,  sorry, the link didn't work- it tried to connect but I was told the site was "...........very busy, come back later............." Which I will do.

LeRoy- LeRoi. I always understood the name was LeRoi, as you say, "the King", but it must be a typo- I think P Knight has it spelt LeRoy in his book. If it was a product of Waukesha (?) please tell me more about LeRoi and Waukesha.

My engine is in a hundred pieces just now, I need to buy rings, check main and big end bearings before I start the rebuild.

Finally if I don't reply over the next day or three, I am pretty busy. I'll make my apologies now, and try and respond to all by the end of the week.

Best wishes to all
Teddee.



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  3 03:25:13 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 03:25:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me :-)
In-Reply-To: <000301ca13b1$b8dbc470$2a934d50$@com>
Message-ID: <29943.25737.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hi George,
It seemed like a strange expression to me also.
Then I folded in both thumbs, closed my fingers around them, held both hands up around face level and shook them. 
I understand now.  It is excitement.
Smile big as you shake your hands and you will understand too.

Go Jerry, go.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sun, 8/2/09, George Best <george at irontrader.com> wrote:

> From: George Best <george at irontrader.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me :-)
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:42 PM
> Jerry,
> 
> First time I've heard of "Holding thumbs", we usually
> "cross your fingers"
> when wishing or hoping for something.
> Is that an African thing?? Or did I just miss out on
> the holding thumbs
> thing? ;-)
> 
> Seriously, I hope you get that engine!
> 
> George
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]
> On Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> 
> Hi Guys & Gals,
> ? ? ? ???Hey Guys (and Gals)
> I seriously want that engine now and do 
> believe that it has my name on it. The next 4 or 5 days
> will tell - as I've 
> said "please hold thumbs for me!"
> 
> ? ? ? ???Watch this space.
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>?
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Mon Aug  3 04:06:05 2009
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:06:05 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
In-Reply-To: <895FAC5A542F4336954F5686D39C4277@HOUSE>
References: <895FAC5A542F4336954F5686D39C4277@HOUSE>
Message-ID: <029001ca142a$65cb6190$8335c53e@doc>

>From a linguistic POV, "Le Roi" is modern French for "The King", and "Le
Roy" would be archaic (1400's and earlier (and later, still being used in
1576)) French, so both could be considered correct, Le Roi being more
modern.

All the best

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Ted & Sue Domeney
> Sent: 03 August 2009 11:06
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Thanks Peter and Richard for your responses and links. Yep!  
> that's my toy, Peter. 
> Richard,  sorry, the link didn't work- it tried to connect 
> but I was told the site was "...........very busy, come back 
> later............." Which I will do.
> 
> LeRoy- LeRoi. I always understood the name was LeRoi, as you 
> say, "the King", but it must be a typo- I think P Knight has 
> it spelt LeRoy in his book. If it was a product of Waukesha 
> (?) please tell me more about LeRoi and Waukesha.
> 
> My engine is in a hundred pieces just now, I need to buy 
> rings, check main and big end bearings before I start the rebuild.
> 
> Finally if I don't reply over the next day or three, I am 
> pretty busy. I'll make my apologies now, and try and respond 
> to all by the end of the week.
> 
> Best wishes to all
> Teddee.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 05:10:31 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:10:31 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine at Museum Victoria
Message-ID: <C69D10D7.206B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Some of you may find this interesting:

http://museumvictoria.com.au/sunshine/


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Aug  2 16:30:18 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:30:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] List Maners
Message-ID: <20090803.070909.14337.105346@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com>

G'Day All
 
Question in general, is there a increasing lack of people getting
involved 
in discussion where help is asked.
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Hi List, 
Just got back from the Northwest PA Steam Engine and Old Equipment Assn.
(Portersville) show.
I received this question just before I left for the show.

By the response (over 70),  I would say the answer is  NO.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/     
   (_o_)     Keep Pennsylvania beautiful - Ban large pumpkin colored
highway signs.
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Aug  3 15:39:08 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:39:08 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
Message-ID: <3B3B5434DBD54BDDB3BE91681C15F3D6@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Something that most Australian members are probably unaware of . A group of members from the Chamberlain 9G  Tractor Club in West Australia are at the moment driving their tractors across the USA . These blokes are from Ongerup and the Porongerups here in West Australia .The group consists of  five  9 G's and camper vans .........if any of you blokes in the US see  the distinctive orange coloured tractors  say'' G'day''.

From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Aug  3 15:49:54 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:49:54 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine at Museum Victoria
References: <C69D10D7.206B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BDC3CE5C8A3D4610A6F830BB64855176@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Thanks Patrick ,what an innovator he was ......Sunshine ,do you know of a 
similier engine to the two stroke that we have here in Australia ....US or 
UK ?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:10 PM
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine at Museum Victoria


> Some of you may find this interesting:
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> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
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From kosh at ncweb.com  Mon Aug  3 18:44:55 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 21:44:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
In-Reply-To: <3B3B5434DBD54BDDB3BE91681C15F3D6@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090803214250.0bf9ba40@ncweb.com>

I've seen this before, with the rear tires (tyres) on backward.

Some say that this gives better tyre (tire) wear on the road.

http://www.chamberlain9g.org.au/galleries/restoration/8.jpg

Any thoughts about this?

Dave Merchant


At 06:39 PM 8/3/2009, you wrote:
>Something that most Australian members are probably unaware of . A group 
>of members from the Chamberlain 9G  Tractor Club in West Australia are at 
>the moment driving their tractors across the USA . These blokes are from 
>Ongerup and the Porongerups here in West Australia .The group consists 
>of  five  9 G's and camper vans .........if any of you blokes in the US 
>see  the distinctive orange coloured tractors  say'' G'day''.
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Dave Merchant
kosh at nesys.com
nesys_com at ameritech.net
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Aug  4 04:48:06 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:48:06 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question
Message-ID: <73BA110DCDAF4FA1BD568DDECF3E1063@acer8ff47bfe9a>

This is a difficult question ,at least I mean getting the correct answer .. I have friend who has had quite good success with his home foundry . To date he has cast alluminium ,brass and bronze and a small number of cast iron jobs .He cast two CI bearing caps for me and they machined well and the castings are first class. His home made furnace is fueled by LPG with an air blower . The furace itself is a crucible with flame entering at a tangent . There has been no great problem with noise apart from the normal ''Roar'' of the blower and flame whilst melting Alluminium ,Brass or Bronze . With higher temperature required for the Iron melt comes a high frequency scream  It alternates in its volume ..Unfortunately this noise now presents a neighbor problem.It only occurs with the higher temp required for the iron.
I know this is not an explicit explantion of the symptons but has any one experienced anything like this ?

From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Tue Aug  4 06:57:33 2009
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:57:33 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question
In-Reply-To: <73BA110DCDAF4FA1BD568DDECF3E1063@acer8ff47bfe9a>
References: <73BA110DCDAF4FA1BD568DDECF3E1063@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <4A783E4D.5020200@xplornet.com>

Hello Peter,
	I have a similar setup for doing my metal casting except I use a
naturally aspirated burner. The naturally aspirated burner is still 
noisy but not as noisy as most fan driven burners. Also, there is no 
difference in noise level when melting the different metals. What 
changes is the heating time.
	Two reasons I chose a naturally aspirated burner are noise level and 
the fact that a power failure won't interrupt a melt.
	In your case, changing the fan to a fan that produces the same pressure 
and volume of air at a lower rpm will reduce the noise a little.

Rupert

peter ogborne wrote:
> This is a difficult question ,at least I mean getting the correct
> answer .. I have friend who has had quite good success with his home
> foundry . To date he has cast alluminium ,brass and bronze and a
> small number of cast iron jobs .He cast two CI bearing caps for me
> and they machined well and the castings are first class. His home
> made furnace is fueled by LPG with an air blower . The furace itself
> is a crucible with flame entering at a tangent . There has been no
> great problem with noise apart from the normal ''Roar'' of the blower
> and flame whilst melting Alluminium ,Brass or Bronze . With higher
> temperature required for the Iron melt comes a high frequency scream
> It alternates in its volume ..Unfortunately this noise now presents a
> neighbor problem.It only occurs with the higher temp required for the
> iron. I know this is not an explicit explantion of the symptons but
> has any one experienced anything like this ? 
> _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list 
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
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-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
	
http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Aug  4 06:59:46 2009
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 06:59:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question
References: <73BA110DCDAF4FA1BD568DDECF3E1063@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <69929326E5CE407E80E21E50FE5900FD@your46e94owx6a>

Hi Peter,

Sounds really interesting, could you sends us a picture if 
the furnace?

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, California U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 4:48 AM
Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question


This is a difficult question ,at least I mean getting the 
correct answer .. I have friend who has had quite good 
success with his home foundry . To date he has cast 
alluminium ,brass and bronze and a small number of cast iron 
jobs .He cast two CI bearing caps for me and they machined 
well and the castings are first class. His home made furnace 
is fueled by LPG with an air blower . The furace itself is a 
crucible with flame entering at a tangent . There has been 
no great problem with noise apart from the normal ''Roar'' 
of the blower and flame whilst melting Alluminium ,Brass or 
Bronze . With higher temperature required for the Iron melt 
comes a high frequency scream  It alternates in its volume 
..Unfortunately this noise now presents a neighbor 
problem.It only occurs with the higher temp required for the 
iron.
I know this is not an explicit explantion of the symptons 
but has any one experienced anything like this ?
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Tue Aug  4 08:56:42 2009
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:56:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question
In-Reply-To: <4A783E4D.5020200@xplornet.com>
References: <73BA110DCDAF4FA1BD568DDECF3E1063@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<4A783E4D.5020200@xplornet.com>
Message-ID: <CB772F2F-589F-4CE3-9518-F635BBEAC633@herculesengines.com>

Rupert
What design of naturally aspirated burner do you use.  I just bought a  
new foundry set up and would like to change it from a blower to  
naturally aspirated burner.
Thanks.
Keith


On Aug 4, 2009, at 8:57 AM, Rupert wrote:

> Hello Peter,
> 	I have a similar setup for doing my metal casting except I use a
> naturally aspirated burner. The naturally aspirated burner is still
> noisy but not as noisy as most fan driven burners. Also, there is no
> difference in noise level when melting the different metals. What
> changes is the heating time.
> 	Two reasons I chose a naturally aspirated burner are noise level and
> the fact that a power failure won't interrupt a melt.
> 	In your case, changing the fan to a fan that produces the same  
> pressure
> and volume of air at a lower rpm will reduce the noise a little.
>
> Rupert
>
> peter ogborne wrote:
>> This is a difficult question ,at least I mean getting the correct
>> answer .. I have friend who has had quite good success with his home
>> foundry . To date he has cast alluminium ,brass and bronze and a
>> small number of cast iron jobs .He cast two CI bearing caps for me
>> and they machined well and the castings are first class. His home
>> made furnace is fueled by LPG with an air blower . The furace itself
>> is a crucible with flame entering at a tangent . There has been no
>> great problem with noise apart from the normal ''Roar'' of the blower
>> and flame whilst melting Alluminium ,Brass or Bronze . With higher
>> temperature required for the Iron melt comes a high frequency scream
>> It alternates in its volume ..Unfortunately this noise now presents a
>> neighbor problem.It only occurs with the higher temp required for the
>> iron. I know this is not an explicit explantion of the symptons but
>> has any one experienced anything like this ?
>> _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.43/2280 - Release Date:
>> 08/03/09 17:56:00
>>
>
> -- 
>
> yvt
>
> Rupert Wenig
> Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
>
> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
> 	
> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Aug  4 09:55:42 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:55:42 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Aussie tractors across the USA
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1249401602.19287.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090804184346.0196ab40@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 04/08/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:39:08 +0800
>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>

>Something that most Australian members are probably unaware of . A group 
>of members from the Chamberlain 9G  Tractor Club in West Australia are at 
>the moment driving their tractors across the USA . These blokes are from 
>Ongerup and the Porongerups here in West Australia .The group consists 
>of  five  9 G's and camper vans .........if any of you blokes in the US 
>see  the distinctive orange coloured tractors  say'' G'day''.

Hi Peter,
         I came across that the other day when surfing the web. Wow what an 
adventure!
         I've often dreamt of going on a long trip on my tractor but a) 
finances and b) the condition of my tractor prohibit this. (If only I was 
"RICH" !!).
         One of our collectors drove a little Ferguson TED (Grey Fergie) 
across South Africa (north to south) a few years ago and had wonderful 
stories to tell.
         I also seem to remember someone who drove a garden 
tractor/lawnmower with a trailer attached for quite a long way in the USA - 
I think it may have been made into a movie.
         If anyone does see these guys please also offer "Best Wishes" from 
South Africa.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Aug  4 10:03:41 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:03:41 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 65, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1249401602.19287.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
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Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090804185625.0196b128@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 04/08/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 2
>Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:49:54 +0800
>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Sunshine at Museum Victoria
>
>Thanks Patrick ,what an innovator he was ......Sunshine ,do you know of a
>similier engine to the two stroke that we have here in Australia ....US or
>UK ?

H.V.MacKay (sp.) must have been some kinda guy.
         I researched him on the net a few years ago (when I got my 
Sunshine Harvester) and remember being very impressed. I would go as far as 
calling him the "father of the Combine Harvester" although there are 
differing views on this - he was way ahead of the Yanks with his ideas.
         The story of "Sunshine" and H.V. MacKay is one of those old 
stories where a "man with an idea" made good and built an empire.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Aug  4 10:28:04 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:28:04 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. For Peter Ogborne
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1249401602.19287.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
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Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090804190403.01941750@mail.atech.co.za>


>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Sunshine at Museum Victoria

Hi Peter,
         Off Topic but -
         I get the digest version of SEL and for some reason or other your 
mails always have a few pages of those "greater than) - ">" marks with 
blank lines behind them. I noticed this about a year ago. That is the mark 
used to denote that the message is "forwarded" or "a reply". You were not 
active on the list for a while but now your recent posts have the same thing.
         I counted them in this one - 180 in total. They come after your 
signature, the message you have replied to and also after the SEL notice - 
then 180 blank lines to scroll down through.
         Does this happen to anyone else and can anybody offer an 
explanation. Does it also happen on "non digest" mail?
         Peter, it does not happen on "off list" post from you to me. Only 
in the SEL digest.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Aug  4 11:55:37 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:55:37 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me :-)/Update
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090802192410.02032350@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090804195435.0195a900@mail.atech.co.za>

Hi All,
         The saga continues.
         Firstly, thanks for all the positive replies and discussion that 
this post generated. I'm not going to reply to each reply (on and off list 
and also on both SEL and Oldengine lists).
         "Hold Thumbs" and "Cross Fingers" - it seems that there was a bit 
of confusion here. We "Hold Thumbs" to ask for good luck (fingers folded 
over the thumb) but "cross fingers" if we are about to tell a lie (and hope 
to get away with it). A few explanations here:
<http://kiwiflicka.blogspot.com/2008/03/hold-thumbs.html>
or
<http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_origin_of_the_idiom_%27to_hold_thumbs%27>
or here
<http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Phrases-and-Sayings/Question785086.html>
or here
<http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=1484642>

         So here is the update:
         Firstly, I was incorrect in stating that this (these) engines had 
the solid (or electric) flywheels and have no idea why I imagined it/them 
otherwise. In my defence I refer you to the following words in my original 
post:
"I saw the engines from a distance but did not go closer for a very good 
reason. My daughter, Jacqui, had her (uninsured) car stolen about 2 weeks 
previous to that and, not being a person of unlimited financial means, 
engines were just not in the budget - another car for Jacqui was top 
priority. (But those engines stayed in the back of my mind :-))"

         Back to the story. The engines have "spoked" flywheels (I'm so 
happy about this !!) they are much "prettier" (if engine men are allowed to 
use that description) and also about 300 Kilograms lighter when it comes to 
"loading and lugging" to shows (rallies or whatever).
         At this time I have concluded a deal with the seller and was meant 
to make the trip, to load the engine, today but of course, some govmunt 
official screwed it all up and did not clear the tender documents on time. 
(Quite normal here with our "govmunt") so now I can only go on Friday 
(hopefully) ! (You Aussies should understand the term "munt" or "moentoe" 
and it has nothing to do with "heap" or "mound"!) :-)(A clue can be found 
here: <http://www.anps.org.au/documents/March_2005.pdf>
         Anyway, they deal is agreed upon but I'm not one to "count my 
chickens before they hatch". As far as I'm concerned the deal will only be 
done once the engine is loaded onto the back of my pickup (and I'm at least 
10 miles away from the loading point). :-)
         So guys (and gals) please keep "holding thumbs" or "crossing 
fingers" (whichever one works best for you) for me :-).
         I've also received a pic of the engine and put it here for those 
who are interested:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/5_1b.JPG>


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Aug  4 13:25:10 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:25:10 +0200
Subject: [SEL] "Working clothes" attn. Patrick Livingstone
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090804214015.01975ea8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All (and especially Patrick),
         With reference to your recent post about "working clothes" - does 
this qualify?
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/5_1b.JPG>

         Yeughh - Yellow flywheels !!!!

         I'm not too sure how to handle this ! These Listers were always 
"Mid Brunswick Green" apart from the "War Years" (a paler/lighter shade of 
green due to the shortages experienced during this time) and a few made for 
special applications. (This one is 1953 so "War Years" does not count as an 
excuse!!). Also NOT a special application.
         So where to from here ?:
         1) I think that this one was probably supplied in factory colours 
to the end user and painted "by apprentices" over time to its current colour.
         2) The colour yellow was never a colour used as a "corporate 
identification" by the end user (in this case our "South African Railways").
         3) Maybe it was a case of the Foreman looking for something to 
keep the apprentices busy and he said "Here, take this can of paint and 
paint those flywheels"

         So, in fact this engine is still in it's, "working clothes" 
(albeit NOT original colours) as that was the colour it was painted while 
it stood in it's working place.

         Now, I'm about to acquire this engine but what do I do? I 
personally do not like the "Yellow" (and it is not original) but the colour 
was "It's working clothes".   ????

         This could start an interesting discussion so, come on guys, let's 
have your thoughts. I'm torn between making it look "original" (lots of 
work) but would like to keep it "in it's working clothes" (an easy job as 
the paint is still in very good condition) but DO NOT like those yellow 
flywheels.

         As a point of interest, these (and other) Listers were all painted 
by brush in the Lister factory, This was done after assembly - they were 
NOT filled, masked and spray painted. This comes from David Edgington's 
book "The Lister CS Story". That may help you guys decide on an answer.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Aug  4 15:20:48 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 06:20:48 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question
References: <73BA110DCDAF4FA1BD568DDECF3E1063@acer8ff47bfe9a><4A783E4D.5020200@xplornet.com>
	<CB772F2F-589F-4CE3-9518-F635BBEAC633@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <C9B66C197A8B47A882017BDA65B74991@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Thanks Rupert......Like Keith  we are interested in your design.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Kinney" <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Foundry Question


> Rupert
> What design of naturally aspirated burner do you use.  I just bought a
> new foundry set up and would like to change it from a blower to
> naturally aspirated burner.
> Thanks.
> Keith
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2009, at 8:57 AM, Rupert wrote:
>
>> Hello Peter,
>> I have a similar setup for doing my metal casting except I use a
>> naturally aspirated burner. The naturally aspirated burner is still
>> noisy but not as noisy as most fan driven burners. Also, there is no
>> difference in noise level when melting the different metals. What
>> changes is the heating time.
>> Two reasons I chose a naturally aspirated burner are noise level and
>> the fact that a power failure won't interrupt a melt.
>> In your case, changing the fan to a fan that produces the same
>> pressure
>> and volume of air at a lower rpm will reduce the noise a little.
>>
>> Rupert
>>
>> peter ogborne wrote:
>>> This is a difficult question ,at least I mean getting the correct
>>> answer .. I have friend who has had quite good success with his home
>>> foundry . To date he has cast alluminium ,brass and bronze and a
>>> small number of cast iron jobs .He cast two CI bearing caps for me
>>> and they machined well and the castings are first class. His home
>>> made furnace is fueled by LPG with an air blower . The furace itself
>>> is a crucible with flame entering at a tangent . There has been no
>>> great problem with noise apart from the normal ''Roar'' of the blower
>>> and flame whilst melting Alluminium ,Brass or Bronze . With higher
>>> temperature required for the Iron melt comes a high frequency scream
>>> It alternates in its volume ..Unfortunately this noise now presents a
>>> neighbor problem.It only occurs with the higher temp required for the
>>> iron. I know this is not an explicit explantion of the symptons but
>>> has any one experienced anything like this ?
>>> _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> 08/03/09 17:56:00
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>>
>> -- 
>>
>> yvt
>>
>> Rupert Wenig
>> Camrose, Alberta, Canada.
>>
>> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
>>
>> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/
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>
> Keith Kinney
> kkinney at herculesengines.com
> WWW.HerculesEngines.com
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Aug  4 15:28:24 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 06:28:24 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question
References: <73BA110DCDAF4FA1BD568DDECF3E1063@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<69929326E5CE407E80E21E50FE5900FD@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <E9484F3A721B46618450F416AD85F406@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Thanks for your interest Jim.......Danny the ''Foundryman '' is visiting me 
today ,I will arrage to get a photo of the set up.
Danny has been very succesful in casting vintage and veteran motor cycle 
parts ,aluminium chain case's and the like ,bronze bells and other parts 
.Cast Iron has been limited but has been successful. But now this noise 
problem has come up .As Danny lives in close proximity to his neighbors we 
must solve it otherewise he may have to cease. Any advise or help would be 
verymuch appreciated.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Kirkes" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Foundry Question


> Hi Peter,
>
> Sounds really interesting, could you sends us a picture if
> the furnace?
>
> Jim
>
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, California U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 4:48 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question
>
>
> This is a difficult question ,at least I mean getting the
> correct answer .. I have friend who has had quite good
> success with his home foundry . To date he has cast
> alluminium ,brass and bronze and a small number of cast iron
> jobs .He cast two CI bearing caps for me and they machined
> well and the castings are first class. His home made furnace
> is fueled by LPG with an air blower . The furace itself is a
> crucible with flame entering at a tangent . There has been
> no great problem with noise apart from the normal ''Roar''
> of the blower and flame whilst melting Alluminium ,Brass or
> Bronze . With higher temperature required for the Iron melt
> comes a high frequency scream  It alternates in its volume
> ..Unfortunately this noise now presents a neighbor
> problem.It only occurs with the higher temp required for the
> iron.
> I know this is not an explicit explantion of the symptons
> but has any one experienced anything like this ?
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Aug  4 15:31:29 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 06:31:29 +0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. For Peter Ogborne
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090804190403.01941750@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <6969D27186C64B2FAE4C21BE2B058C3C@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Jerry ......Sorry it is beyond me ...i am sure one of our more expert 
members may be able help.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:28 AM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. For Peter Ogborne


>
>>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Sunshine at Museum Victoria
>
> Hi Peter,
>         Off Topic but -
>         I get the digest version of SEL and for some reason or other your
> mails always have a few pages of those "greater than) - ">" marks with
> blank lines behind them. I noticed this about a year ago. That is the mark
> used to denote that the message is "forwarded" or "a reply". You were not
> active on the list for a while but now your recent posts have the same 
> thing.
>         I counted them in this one - 180 in total. They come after your
> signature, the message you have replied to and also after the SEL notice -
> then 180 blank lines to scroll down through.
>         Does this happen to anyone else and can anybody offer an
> explanation. Does it also happen on "non digest" mail?
>         Peter, it does not happen on "off list" post from you to me. Only
> in the SEL digest.
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Tue Aug  4 17:58:32 2009
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:58:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question
In-Reply-To: <E9484F3A721B46618450F416AD85F406@acer8ff47bfe9a>
References: <73BA110DCDAF4FA1BD568DDECF3E1063@acer8ff47bfe9a>	<69929326E5CE407E80E21E50FE5900FD@your46e94owx6a>
	<E9484F3A721B46618450F416AD85F406@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <4A78D938.2090305@xplornet.com>

Hello Peter,
	I just re-read your original message about the noise factor. A thought 
might be to put together some portable noise shields using foam or sound 
barrier panels to place between the neighbor and the furnace. And, place 
the furnace where there isn't a good reflective surface behind it. A 
reflective surface will reflect noise very well. Just a thought.
	I did a noise test on the Monster burner when I first built it. My old 
foundry shed where I had the furnace set up for use in cold weather was 
lined with OSB with a vent hood over the furnace. The reading I got on 
the DB meter was 85. That's about as much noise as a lawn mower with a B 
& S engine makes.

Rupert

peter ogborne wrote:

(snip)

> .Cast Iron has been limited but has been successful. But now this noise 
> problem has come up .As Danny lives in close proximity to his neighbors we 
> must solve it otherewise he may have to cease. Any advise or help would be 
> verymuch appreciated.

(snip)
-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
	
http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Aug  4 19:41:55 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:41:55 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question
References: <73BA110DCDAF4FA1BD568DDECF3E1063@acer8ff47bfe9a>	<69929326E5CE407E80E21E50FE5900FD@your46e94owx6a><E9484F3A721B46618450F416AD85F406@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<4A78D938.2090305@xplornet.com>
Message-ID: <BD192AEB8F9D4E74BC11DC25B7CD2745@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Thanks Rupert...I will discuss the sound barrier idea with Danny .
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rupert" <rwenig2 at xplornet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Foundry Question


> Hello Peter,
> I just re-read your original message about the noise factor. A thought
> might be to put together some portable noise shields using foam or sound
> barrier panels to place between the neighbor and the furnace. And, place
> the furnace where there isn't a good reflective surface behind it. A
> reflective surface will reflect noise very well. Just a thought.
> I did a noise test on the Monster burner when I first built it. My old
> foundry shed where I had the furnace set up for use in cold weather was
> lined with OSB with a vent hood over the furnace. The reading I got on
> the DB meter was 85. That's about as much noise as a lawn mower with a B
> & S engine makes.
>
> Rupert
>
> peter ogborne wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
>> .Cast Iron has been limited but has been successful. But now this noise
>> problem has come up .As Danny lives in close proximity to his neighbors 
>> we
>> must solve it otherewise he may have to cease. Any advise or help would 
>> be
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> -- 
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> yvt
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> Rupert Wenig
> Camrose, Alberta, Canada.
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> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
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> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/
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From rotigel at me.com  Tue Aug  4 20:10:13 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:10:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
In-Reply-To: <20090727070243.4AC0F298012@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>
References: <184576.18205.qm@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<10ca7a55959d4162bdc35699ea43f5c3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20090727070243.4AC0F298012@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <8383809E-4C74-4B9F-BE0D-D2FF35E84E5B@me.com>

Everyone needs to know that Russ will be showing an 11 HP Austral!
	Dave
PS, Russ, I have your Portland Exhibitor pass. Remind me to give it to  
you!

On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:02 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote:

> Gee it's very quiet you guys! Who going to Portland this year and
> what are you taking? I want to know I can look forwards to seeing. It
> has been quite a few years in the planing for us to make it to your
> show. Can't wait.
> Russell


From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Tue Aug  4 23:49:53 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:49:53 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
In-Reply-To: <8383809E-4C74-4B9F-BE0D-D2FF35E84E5B@me.com>
References: <184576.18205.qm@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><10ca7a55959d4162bdc35699ea43f5c3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><20090727070243.4AC0F298012@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>
	<8383809E-4C74-4B9F-BE0D-D2FF35E84E5B@me.com>
Message-ID: <E0C8A822D8D04AFF92401451631D241F@KerryPC>

Well done, a Victorian showing a Victorian engine, getting close have a 
great time
Kerry


> Everyone needs to know that Russ will be showing an 11 HP Austral!
> Dave



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Aug  5 00:10:16 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:10:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
References: <184576.18205.qm@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><10ca7a55959d4162bdc35699ea43f5c3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><20090727070243.4AC0F298012@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au><8383809E-4C74-4B9F-BE0D-D2FF35E84E5B@me.com>
	<E0C8A822D8D04AFF92401451631D241F@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <7D297B351CED4FCA8BEF6832347B41D9@REGsServer>

As the time approaches, I am getting withdrawal symptoms!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Show


> Well done, a Victorian showing a Victorian engine, getting close have a 
> great time
> Kerry
> 
> 
>> Everyone needs to know that Russ will be showing an 11 HP Austral!
>> Dave
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Aug  5 01:29:59 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:29:59 +1000
Subject: [SEL] engines for sale
Message-ID: <37A7882A673843C1B4F4DFD24E8EDAB4@peterlowe>

Hi All
I have some engines for sale as we are moving, if interested I am offering to List members first in Oz only. Then Ebay.
Contact me OFF LIST plowe at exemail.com.au
See here:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/austral/austral_3hp.htm



Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  5 03:09:41 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 03:09:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Buckley Show
In-Reply-To: <8383809E-4C74-4B9F-BE0D-D2FF35E84E5B@me.com>
Message-ID: <554529.79331.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Howdy Folks,
We are getting close now.
Who will be at Buckley?
I sure hope you can be there by Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest.
I have to work Tuesday but I plan to slide out of there as early as I can.
My travel trailer and canopy should be in place on Sunday afternoon.

Alan



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Aug  5 03:57:49 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:57:49 +1000
Subject: [SEL] List Maners
In-Reply-To: <7A5D10EF-D91D-42A5-8952-E5CFBD38F756@rustyiron.com>
References: <E47E41FCBD084D72ABF38A3A310EC9E9@your9e74d7efa7><C4978E01174F4DC889ADA99DEEAD9CFD@armstrong><49034796B92A4798AEFBA22859EBCA22@acer8ff47bfe9a><E9F1735BD98E47D59D823399248400C9@KerryPC><D9330323CDEA4F1AA07D5A301BF73474@KerryPC>
	<7A5D10EF-D91D-42A5-8952-E5CFBD38F756@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <91C0C35168CE43D7ACDB8F86C15EB9A2@KerryPC>

G'Day Mate

Did you ever find the Date list you have on Nationals.
was reading Smokestack down under the other night and saw a bloke post from 
Cairns north Queensland, we were in Cairns so sent him a Email, he lived 
only 300 metres from the van park so went to see what he had, one was a nice 
National about 6hp sitting on a Blackstone transport, Excellent runner but 
has some parts not original, it and a Petter Handyman made the day.

All the best
Kerry


> So what do you need to know about the Crossley and the National,
> mate?
> Rob



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  5 04:33:59 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:33:59 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me :-)/Update
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090804195435.0195a900@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090802192410.02032350@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090804195435.0195a900@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <SNT118-W63675F10FF887090D8125DC80D0@phx.gbl>


Hi Jerry,

 

Neat looking engine. Hope it works out for you. Arnie has one of those Lister engines.

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/lister.htm

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 


=================================

> From: jerrye at databak.co.za
> 
> I've also received a pic of the engine and put it here for those 
> who are interested:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/5_1b.JPG>
> 
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> 
> 


_________________________________________________________________
Get your vacation photos on your phone!
http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM

From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Aug  5 04:46:27 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:46:27 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
In-Reply-To: <8383809E-4C74-4B9F-BE0D-D2FF35E84E5B@me.com>
References: <184576.18205.qm@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<10ca7a55959d4162bdc35699ea43f5c3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20090727070243.4AC0F298012@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>
	<8383809E-4C74-4B9F-BE0D-D2FF35E84E5B@me.com>
Message-ID: <20090805114627.067D534800D@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>

Dave make sure you give me my pass !!! Please :-)
Russ


At 01:10 PM 5/08/2009, you wrote:
>Everyone needs to know that Russ will be showing an 11 HP Austral!
>         Dave
>PS, Russ, I have your Portland Exhibitor pass. Remind me to give it to
>you!
>
>On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:02 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote:
>
> > Gee it's very quiet you guys! Who going to Portland this year and
> > what are you taking? I want to know I can look forwards to seeing. It
> > has been quite a few years in the planing for us to make it to your
> > show. Can't wait.
> > Russell
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From enginepaul at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 08:32:28 2009
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:32:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question
In-Reply-To: <BD192AEB8F9D4E74BC11DC25B7CD2745@acer8ff47bfe9a>
References: <73BA110DCDAF4FA1BD568DDECF3E1063@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<69929326E5CE407E80E21E50FE5900FD@your46e94owx6a>
	<E9484F3A721B46618450F416AD85F406@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<4A78D938.2090305@xplornet.com>
	<BD192AEB8F9D4E74BC11DC25B7CD2745@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0908050832k76086fb8nbe95f95fb30bc674@mail.gmail.com>

I have no experience with foundries, but I have had to muffle air
compressors. The sound barrier would be the method I would try; just like
airports and freeways that have a block wall to deflect sound up. Using foam
or other 'sound absorbing' methods probably won't help much, if any.
There should be some information on the web about sound transmission in the
air on the net.

Paul in California


From rotigel at me.com  Wed Aug  5 14:27:19 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:27:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
In-Reply-To: <7D297B351CED4FCA8BEF6832347B41D9@REGsServer>
References: <184576.18205.qm@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<10ca7a55959d4162bdc35699ea43f5c3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20090727070243.4AC0F298012@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>
	<8383809E-4C74-4B9F-BE0D-D2FF35E84E5B@me.com>
	<E0C8A822D8D04AFF92401451631D241F@KerryPC>
	<7D297B351CED4FCA8BEF6832347B41D9@REGsServer>
Message-ID: <D6C432FE-D259-47A5-AFA6-AF5571B53899@me.com>

Damn it Reg, I warned you against premature withdrawal years ago!
	Dave

On Aug 5, 2009, at 3:10 AM, Reg Ingold wrote:

> As the time approaches, I am getting withdrawal symptoms!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Show
>
>
>> Well done, a Victorian showing a Victorian engine, getting close  
>> have a
>> great time
>> Kerry
>>
>>
>>> Everyone needs to know that Russ will be showing an 11 HP Austral!
>>> Dave


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Aug  5 18:01:14 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 01:01:14 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Express Help Needed
Message-ID: <080620090101.4671.4A7A2B5A000779780000123F223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi All,
I need some help hauling a 5hp engine form Harvard, MA. to Pittsburg, PA. prior to 19 August 09 to my good friend Arnie Fero so he can haul to the Baraboo show.   Any help would greatly be appreciated.
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree
815-238-7316  cell


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Aug  5 18:10:27 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:10:27 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question
References: <73BA110DCDAF4FA1BD568DDECF3E1063@acer8ff47bfe9a><69929326E5CE407E80E21E50FE5900FD@your46e94owx6a><E9484F3A721B46618450F416AD85F406@acer8ff47bfe9a><4A78D938.2090305@xplornet.com><BD192AEB8F9D4E74BC11DC25B7CD2745@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<8d3c36fb0908050832k76086fb8nbe95f95fb30bc674@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7DBE8A2DC3FA4D89993C034647BC3D89@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Thanks Paul.....that is another avenue we can explore.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Foundry Question


>I have no experience with foundries, but I have had to muffle air
> compressors. The sound barrier would be the method I would try; just like
> airports and freeways that have a block wall to deflect sound up. Using 
> foam
> or other 'sound absorbing' methods probably won't help much, if any.
> There should be some information on the web about sound transmission in 
> the
> air on the net.
>
> Paul in California
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Aug  5 23:00:52 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:00:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Tractor Drivers!
Message-ID: <6593DEC2-1BD9-4775-A299-5B7E6E0D4169@rustyiron.com>

FATG gone wild!



Wyoming police Taser 76-year-old tractor driver


	GLENROCK, Wyo. (AP) - A 76-year-old Wyoming man shot with a Taser by  
police while driving an antique tractor in a small-town parade says it  
hurt but he's OK.
Retired truck driver Bud Grose of Glenrock told The Associated Press  
in a telephone interview on Wednesday that he has a heart conditionbut  
didn't require any medical attention.

Investigators say police in Glenrock used a Taser on the man after he  
disobeyed orders. They say the tractor may have hit a car.

Two officers were placed on paid leave and state agents are  
investigating, but the police chief says it doesn't appear any  
policies were violated.

Grose wouldn't discuss specifics of the incident until he speaks to  
his attorney.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further  
information. AP's earlier story is below.

GLENROCK, Wyo. (AP)?Investigators say police in a small Wyoming town  
used a Taser on a 76-year-old man driving an antique tractor in a  
parade after he allegedly hit a car and disobeyed orders.

Two officers were placed on paid leave and state agents are  
investigating, but the police chief says it doesn't appear any  
policies were violated.

Tim Hill of the Wyoming Division of Criminal Investigation says the  
tractor may have hit a car and the tractor driver allegedly disobeyed  
officers Saturday.









From clemsweller at etczone.com  Thu Aug  6 03:37:54 2009
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 06:37:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tractor Drivers!
In-Reply-To: <6593DEC2-1BD9-4775-A299-5B7E6E0D4169@rustyiron.com>
References: <6593DEC2-1BD9-4775-A299-5B7E6E0D4169@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <000301ca1681$f5177d30$df467790$@com>

So, did he hit the car before or after being Tasered?  

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:01 AM
To: Stationary-Engine ATIS
Subject: [SEL] Tractor Drivers!

FATG gone wild!



Wyoming police Taser 76-year-old tractor driver


	GLENROCK, Wyo. (AP) - A 76-year-old Wyoming man shot with a Taser by

police while driving an antique tractor in a small-town parade says it  
hurt but he's OK.
Retired truck driver Bud Grose of Glenrock told The Associated Press  
in a telephone interview on Wednesday that he has a heart conditionbut  
didn't require any medical attention.

Investigators say police in Glenrock used a Taser on the man after he  
disobeyed orders. They say the tractor may have hit a car.

Two officers were placed on paid leave and state agents are  
investigating, but the police chief says it doesn't appear any  
policies were violated.

Grose wouldn't discuss specifics of the incident until he speaks to  
his attorney.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further  
information. AP's earlier story is below.

GLENROCK, Wyo. (AP)-Investigators say police in a small Wyoming town  
used a Taser on a 76-year-old man driving an antique tractor in a  
parade after he allegedly hit a car and disobeyed orders.

Two officers were placed on paid leave and state agents are  
investigating, but the police chief says it doesn't appear any  
policies were violated.

Tim Hill of the Wyoming Division of Criminal Investigation says the  
tractor may have hit a car and the tractor driver allegedly disobeyed  
officers Saturday.







_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Aug  6 05:04:08 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:04:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tractor Drivers!
In-Reply-To: <6593DEC2-1BD9-4775-A299-5B7E6E0D4169@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <654F43357EB34232BDFE6AA842C2B337@tommyd0x52gkco>

Rob,
   Typical!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Skinner
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:01 AM
To: Stationary-Engine ATIS
Subject: [SEL] Tractor Drivers!

FATG gone wild!



Wyoming police Taser 76-year-old tractor driver


	GLENROCK, Wyo. (AP) - A 76-year-old Wyoming man shot with a
Taser by  
police while driving an antique tractor in a small-town parade says it  
hurt but he's OK.
Retired truck driver Bud Grose of Glenrock told The Associated Press  
in a telephone interview on Wednesday that he has a heart conditionbut  
didn't require any medical attention.

Investigators say police in Glenrock used a Taser on the man after he  
disobeyed orders. They say the tractor may have hit a car.

Two officers were placed on paid leave and state agents are  
investigating, but the police chief says it doesn't appear any  
policies were violated.

Grose wouldn't discuss specifics of the incident until he speaks to  
his attorney.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further  
information. AP's earlier story is below.

GLENROCK, Wyo. (AP)-Investigators say police in a small Wyoming town  
used a Taser on a 76-year-old man driving an antique tractor in a  
parade after he allegedly hit a car and disobeyed orders.

Two officers were placed on paid leave and state agents are  
investigating, but the police chief says it doesn't appear any  
policies were violated.

Tim Hill of the Wyoming Division of Criminal Investigation says the  
tractor may have hit a car and the tractor driver allegedly disobeyed  
officers Saturday.







_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Aug  6 06:03:11 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 06:03:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Tractor Drivers!
In-Reply-To: <000301ca1681$f5177d30$df467790$@com>
References: <6593DEC2-1BD9-4775-A299-5B7E6E0D4169@rustyiron.com>
	<000301ca1681$f5177d30$df467790$@com>
Message-ID: <4525.165.206.180.130.1249563791.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

LOL - good point, Chuck!

> So, did he hit the car before or after being Tasered?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:01 AM
> To: Stationary-Engine ATIS
> Subject: [SEL] Tractor Drivers!
>
> FATG gone wild!
>
>
>
> Wyoming police Taser 76-year-old tractor driver
>
>
> 	GLENROCK, Wyo. (AP) - A 76-year-old Wyoming man shot with a Taser by
>
> police while driving an antique tractor in a small-town parade says it
> hurt but he's OK.
> Retired truck driver Bud Grose of Glenrock told The Associated Press
> in a telephone interview on Wednesday that he has a heart conditionbut
> didn't require any medical attention.
>
> Investigators say police in Glenrock used a Taser on the man after he
> disobeyed orders. They say the tractor may have hit a car.
>
> Two officers were placed on paid leave and state agents are
> investigating, but the police chief says it doesn't appear any
> policies were violated.
>
> Grose wouldn't discuss specifics of the incident until he speaks to
> his attorney.
>
> THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further
> information. AP's earlier story is below.
>
> GLENROCK, Wyo. (AP)-Investigators say police in a small Wyoming town
> used a Taser on a 76-year-old man driving an antique tractor in a
> parade after he allegedly hit a car and disobeyed orders.
>
> Two officers were placed on paid leave and state agents are
> investigating, but the police chief says it doesn't appear any
> policies were violated.
>
> Tim Hill of the Wyoming Division of Criminal Investigation says the
> tractor may have hit a car and the tractor driver allegedly disobeyed
> officers Saturday.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 07:49:35 2009
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:49:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Tractor Drivers!
In-Reply-To: <6593DEC2-1BD9-4775-A299-5B7E6E0D4169@rustyiron.com>
References: <6593DEC2-1BD9-4775-A299-5B7E6E0D4169@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0908060749y47ab6733tffa5815c3eca7e23@mail.gmail.com>

"Grose wouldn't discuss specifics of the incident until he speaks to
his attorney."

Some people go to doctors to fix an injury, some people go to lawyers to
find out how much they are injured.

I do think the police should taser some bike riders in SanFran (look up
Critical Mass - bicycle riders that jam the streets to block traffic) -
never had a problem with a tractor driver in 45 years of driving the City.

Paul in California


From rotigel at me.com  Thu Aug  6 11:10:55 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:10:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tractor Drivers!
In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0908060749y47ab6733tffa5815c3eca7e23@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6593DEC2-1BD9-4775-A299-5B7E6E0D4169@rustyiron.com>
	<8d3c36fb0908060749y47ab6733tffa5815c3eca7e23@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6B0D72BB-478A-4414-A42C-07D089B4D5D0@me.com>


On Aug 6, 2009, at 10:49 AM, P. Johns wrote:
> I do think the police should taser some bike riders in SanFran
> Paul in California

Who only "some" Paul?
	Dave


From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  6 11:00:18 2009
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:00:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Marshalltown, IA Show
In-Reply-To: <006501ca115e$0bed75b0$16614b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <417142.19232.qm@web112619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Hi Mike,
Finally getting caught up on correspondence. The Marshalltown show featured Associated engines and it was great. I am working my way through the photos and hope to share some soon.

Actually, baby Emma already has her first engine. I got her a little 1-3/4 hp Galloway back in May. It is complete and on trucks, but needs an overhaul. At the rate that I get things done, she will be big enough to run it by the time it is ready.

On a totally unrelated matter...... A year or so ago I was in an antique shop near Sullivan, WI. An item there sent thivers down my spine. It was a large red tin sign, emblazoned upon it in script was "Royster Bonanza". Now, I have no idea what a Royster bonanza is, but if someone doesn't end up dead or pregnant (or both) because of it, I would be amazed.

TTYL,
Joe

Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan


--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com> wrote:

> From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Marshalltown, IA Show
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 4:38 PM
> Congrats Joe, but don't buy her one,
> I'll send you one of Steve's.? I'm 
> cleaning out his shed for him come Portland time........
> 
> Mike



      



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Aug  6 11:24:26 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:24:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Marshalltown, IA Show
In-Reply-To: <417142.19232.qm@web112619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <006501ca115e$0bed75b0$16614b47@mikecomp>
	<417142.19232.qm@web112619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W38644D04A5F4A9E2C4EF8C950A0@phx.gbl>


Jo, I heard through the grapevine that there will be a   " Royster Bonanza"  at Portland this very year!  Steve, the GOOD Royster
 
> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:00:18 -0700
> From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Marshalltown, IA Show
> 
> 
> Hi Mike,
> Finally getting caught up on correspondence. The Marshalltown show featured Associated engines and it was great. I am working my way through the photos and hope to share some soon.
> 
> Actually, baby Emma already has her first engine. I got her a little 1-3/4 hp Galloway back in May. It is complete and on trucks, but needs an overhaul. At the rate that I get things done, she will be big enough to run it by the time it is ready.
> 
> On a totally unrelated matter...... A year or so ago I was in an antique shop near Sullivan, WI. An item there sent thivers down my spine. It was a large red tin sign, emblazoned upon it in script was "Royster Bonanza". Now, I have no idea what a Royster bonanza is, but if someone doesn't end up dead or pregnant (or both) because of it, I would be amazed.
> 
> TTYL,
> Joe
> 
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Marshalltown, IA Show
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 4:38 PM
> > Congrats Joe, but don't buy her one,
> > I'll send you one of Steve's.  I'm 
> > cleaning out his shed for him come Portland time........
> > 
> > Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Aug  6 12:11:28 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:11:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] engines for sale
In-Reply-To: <37A7882A673843C1B4F4DFD24E8EDAB4@peterlowe>
References: <37A7882A673843C1B4F4DFD24E8EDAB4@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <27C2A368-173B-408C-8465-1EBE5695E5DC@me.com>

Why "in Oz only?" What do you have against the rest of us?
	Dave

On Aug 5, 2009, at 4:29 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Hi All
> I have some engines for sale as we are moving, if interested I am  
> offering to List members first in Oz only. Then Ebay.
> Contact me OFF LIST plowe at exemail.com.au
> See here:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/austral/austral_3hp.htm
>
>
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Aug  6 12:07:40 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:07:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Marshalltown, IA Show
References: <006501ca115e$0bed75b0$16614b47@mikecomp><417142.19232.qm@web112619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<COL112-W38644D04A5F4A9E2C4EF8C950A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004a01ca16c9$2bb8cf50$16614b47@mikecomp>

I can confirm it!  Mike the Original Good Royster
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Marshalltown, IA Show


>
> Jo, I heard through the grapevine that there will be a   " Royster 
> Bonanza"  at Portland this very year!  Steve, the GOOD Royster
>
>> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:00:18 -0700
>> From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Marshalltown, IA Show
>>
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>> Finally getting caught up on correspondence. The Marshalltown show 
>> featured Associated engines and it was great. I am working my way through 
>> the photos and hope to share some soon.
>>
>> Actually, baby Emma already has her first engine. I got her a little 
>> 1-3/4 hp Galloway back in May. It is complete and on trucks, but needs an 
>> overhaul. At the rate that I get things done, she will be big enough to 
>> run it by the time it is ready.
>>
>> On a totally unrelated matter...... A year or so ago I was in an antique 
>> shop near Sullivan, WI. An item there sent thivers down my spine. It was 
>> a large red tin sign, emblazoned upon it in script was "Royster Bonanza". 
>> Now, I have no idea what a Royster bonanza is, but if someone doesn't end 
>> up dead or pregnant (or both) because of it, I would be amazed.
>>
>> TTYL,
>> Joe
>>
>> Joe Prindle
>> Baraboo, WI USA
>> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike 
>> Milligan
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Marshalltown, IA Show
>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 4:38 PM
>> > Congrats Joe, but don't buy her one,
>> > I'll send you one of Steve's.  I'm
>> > cleaning out his shed for him come Portland time........
>> >
>> > Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Thu Aug  6 13:22:42 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:22:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
Message-ID: <9D3121067F6F4D9AB54F19F225747C50@HOUSE>

Hey there all
Thank you to the helpful folk who have added to my knowledge of the Lister GK2.

The very helpful and knowledgable David Edgington advises me that my GK2 is not pre WWII, but was one of four built on 21 August 1946 for Dangar Gedye of Sydney. (Well known machinery agents of the day.)

The magneto man tells me he has reconditioned the magneto, and is sending it back, so with a new set of rings I'm hopeful to have it running soon. 

PS I'm holding thumbs (something different, I was always taught to cross fingers!!!) for a successful deal on the Lister 6-1. I am truly jealous!

Best wishes
Teddee

From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu Aug  6 19:02:46 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:02:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] List Maners
In-Reply-To: <91C0C35168CE43D7ACDB8F86C15EB9A2@KerryPC>
References: <E47E41FCBD084D72ABF38A3A310EC9E9@your9e74d7efa7><C4978E01174F4DC889ADA99DEEAD9CFD@armstrong><49034796B92A4798AEFBA22859EBCA22@acer8ff47bfe9a><E9F1735BD98E47D59D823399248400C9@KerryPC><D9330323CDEA4F1AA07D5A301BF73474@KerryPC>
	<7A5D10EF-D91D-42A5-8952-E5CFBD38F756@rustyiron.com>
	<91C0C35168CE43D7ACDB8F86C15EB9A2@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <E22B0E2F-9A0D-491F-A909-289E4DEEDFD2@rustyiron.com>

Sorry, mate.  I thought for sure I had a list.  I can't find it on my  
computer or the top of my desk.  However, I can tell you that 92xx was  
most likely built in 1902.  I'll keep looking...

Rob



On Aug 5, 2009, at 3:57 AM, Kerry wrote:

> G'Day Mate
>
> Did you ever find the Date list you have on Nationals.
> was reading Smokestack down under the other night and saw a bloke  
> post from
> Cairns north Queensland, we were in Cairns so sent him a Email, he  
> lived
> only 300 metres from the van park so went to see what he had, one  
> was a nice
> National about 6hp sitting on a Blackstone transport, Excellent  
> runner but
> has some parts not original, it and a Petter Handyman made the day.
>
> All the best
> Kerry


From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu Aug  6 19:28:43 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:28:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Gas Power
In-Reply-To: <4A7631F7.1030907@coastalnet.com>
References: <4A7631F7.1030907@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <14B520BE-435C-489E-8EBC-EBC3CD0B79E6@rustyiron.com>

Ken, that's an awesome resource.  Over the years, I've spent a lot of  
money gathering up those publications, and it's nice to be able to get  
them here for free.  It's still nice, however, to read the real paper.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Ken Christison wrote:

> I do a lot of google book searches, and one that I have found  
> worthwhile
> lately
> are issues of Gas Power magazine.  These are full of great ads and
> useful info
> on engines and tractors.  The files are large, so a fast connection  
> is a
> must.
>
> http://books.google.com/books?q=editions:0CZKJjGNvSEgPzl4A8&id=tLHNAAAAMAAJ
>
> And here is another one titled Gas Engine:
>
> http://books.google.com/books?q=editions:07Ltb5KJiHDMXPTD9G&id=0_vNAAAAMAAJ&as_brr=1
>
> Hope they wrap for you.  If not you might need to copy and paste the  
> urls.
>
> Hope someone finds this info useful.  There are numerous great books
> available for download,
> so if you are interested, you might want to search and download all  
> you
> can before someone decides
> they can charge us for them.  The links above are for the full issues,
> and not previews or snippets.
>
> Take care.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
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From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Aug  6 20:44:30 2009
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (Derek)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:14:30 +0930
Subject: [SEL] Tractor Drivers!
In-Reply-To: <6593DEC2-1BD9-4775-A299-5B7E6E0D4169@rustyiron.com>
References: <6593DEC2-1BD9-4775-A299-5B7E6E0D4169@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca1711$5f0e8370$1d2b8a50$@net.au>

   It's an Epidemic. 

   Drunken tractor driver leads police on slow chase
July 8, 2009

A drunk German sparked a slow-speed police chase after stealing a tractor to
get home from a nightclub after his girlfriend left without him, said
police, who used pepper spray to try to stop the vehicle.

"After his girlfriend abandoned him in a night club, the 23-year-old driver,
who doesn't own a license, commandeered the vehicle to make his way home," a
police spokesman said on Monday.

Six police cars began trailing the tractor, which was chugging along at 20
km (12 miles) an hour, after they were alerted to the theft at about 5 a.m.
Saturday.

Officers tried holding up stop signs and directing pepper spray through the
open window to bring the driver to a halt.

They then tried unsuccessfully to end his getaway by throwing nail belts on
the road, but the tractor's tires proved too thick, said the police
spokesman.

The 40-minute chase finally came to an end when officers shot at the
tractor's tires after it rammed into a police car and collided with another
vehicle.

................................................
FATG gone wild!



Wyoming police Taser 76-year-old tractor driver



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Aug  7 01:39:43 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:39:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] engines for sale
References: <37A7882A673843C1B4F4DFD24E8EDAB4@peterlowe>
	<27C2A368-173B-408C-8465-1EBE5695E5DC@me.com>
Message-ID: <BD79F38050044C5EA71CD40E6B914AFF@peterlowe>

Hi Mr Rotigel
Well mate, I am too far from shipping ports and do not have the time at 
present.
Peter



> Why "in Oz only?" What do you have against the rest of us?
> Dave
>
> On Aug 5, 2009, at 4:29 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>> I have some engines for sale as we are moving, if interested I am
>> offering to List members first in Oz only. Then Ebay.
>> Contact me OFF LIST plowe at exemail.com.au
>> See here:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/austral/austral_3hp.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter Lowe
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Fri Aug  7 02:02:17 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:02:17 +1000
Subject: [SEL] engines for sale
In-Reply-To: <BD79F38050044C5EA71CD40E6B914AFF@peterlowe>
References: <37A7882A673843C1B4F4DFD24E8EDAB4@peterlowe>	<27C2A368-173B-408C-8465-1EBE5695E5DC@me.com>
	<BD79F38050044C5EA71CD40E6B914AFF@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <4A7BED99.5030805@steamengine.com.au>

"Mr Rotigel"? Them's fighting words Pete!!

Peter Lowe wrote:
> Hi Mr Rotigel
> Well mate, I am too far from shipping ports and do not have the time at 
> present.
> Peter
>
>   



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Aug  7 02:14:38 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:14:38 +1000
Subject: [SEL] engines for sale
References: <37A7882A673843C1B4F4DFD24E8EDAB4@peterlowe>	<27C2A368-173B-408C-8465-1EBE5695E5DC@me.com><BD79F38050044C5EA71CD40E6B914AFF@peterlowe>
	<4A7BED99.5030805@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <73DDE917851C4E1089C1F5496323220A@peterlowe>

I know, but deep, deep, way down deep, he loves it ;-))
Peter





> "Mr Rotigel"? Them's fighting words Pete!!
> 
> Peter Lowe wrote:
>> Hi Mr Rotigel
>> Well mate, I am too far from shipping ports and do not have the time at 
>> present.
>> Peter
>>
>>   
> 
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Fri Aug  7 02:31:06 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:31:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] engines for sale
In-Reply-To: <73DDE917851C4E1089C1F5496323220A@peterlowe>
References: <37A7882A673843C1B4F4DFD24E8EDAB4@peterlowe>	<27C2A368-173B-408C-8465-1EBE5695E5DC@me.com><BD79F38050044C5EA71CD40E6B914AFF@peterlowe><4A7BED99.5030805@steamengine.com.au>
	<73DDE917851C4E1089C1F5496323220A@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <F8C65D70FA5E45BABA9BFF02F9CCB1D4@KerryPC>

G'Day Pete
I know I cannot afford it at the moment but what are you asking for the 
Austral

Kerry
Just south of Cairns 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Aug  7 06:51:46 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:51:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
In-Reply-To: <3B3B5434DBD54BDDB3BE91681C15F3D6@acer8ff47bfe9a>
References: <3B3B5434DBD54BDDB3BE91681C15F3D6@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <627f8e54e63c73321459d3e7b0da3086.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Peter,  That's pretty amazing.  I assume they shipped their tractors across the
pond?  I wonder what the total cost of the trip is?  I can't imagine riding across
the US on a tractor seat!  Ouch!

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, August 3, 2009 6:39 pm, peter ogborne wrote:
> Something that most Australian members are probably unaware of . A group of members
> from the Chamberlain 9G  Tractor Club in West Australia are at the moment driving
> their tractors across the USA . These blokes are from Ongerup and the Porongerups
> here in West Australia .The group consists of  five  9 G's and camper vans
> .........if any of you blokes in the US see  the distinctive orange coloured
> tractors  say'' G'day''.





From rotigel at me.com  Fri Aug  7 15:21:24 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:21:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] For Russ
Message-ID: <1C9DB58E-F94C-4631-B489-5518F1A3F5C5@me.com>

Hi Russ, As the cat said when the RR train ran over it's tail: "It  
won't be long now!" See you soon!
	Dave


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Aug  7 15:29:21 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 06:29:21 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
References: <3B3B5434DBD54BDDB3BE91681C15F3D6@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<627f8e54e63c73321459d3e7b0da3086.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BF017AF2171C4BA3A4158EF609EF1BDF@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Arnie .....when they get back I will find out the details .I reckon they 
would be like your ''Clunkers''!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA


> Peter,  That's pretty amazing.  I assume they shipped their tractors 
> across the
> pond?  I wonder what the total cost of the trip is?  I can't imagine 
> riding across
> the US on a tractor seat!  Ouch!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
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> On Mon, August 3, 2009 6:39 pm, peter ogborne wrote:
>> Something that most Australian members are probably unaware of . A group 
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>> from the Chamberlain 9G  Tractor Club in West Australia are at the moment 
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>> their tractors across the USA . These blokes are from Ongerup and the 
>> Porongerups
>> here in West Australia .The group consists of  five  9 G's and camper 
>> vans
>> .........if any of you blokes in the US see  the distinctive orange 
>> coloured
>> tractors  say'' G'day''.
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Aug  7 16:10:36 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:10:36 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
References: <3B3B5434DBD54BDDB3BE91681C15F3D6@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<627f8e54e63c73321459d3e7b0da3086.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <0AE74523EF6148C19CDEE264088A78E5@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Arie ...have a look at   http://www.transworldtractortreks.com/
Are they passing you ,perhaps a hand out with a beer in it might go down 
well?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA


> Peter,  That's pretty amazing.  I assume they shipped their tractors 
> across the
> pond?  I wonder what the total cost of the trip is?  I can't imagine 
> riding across
> the US on a tractor seat!  Ouch!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Mon, August 3, 2009 6:39 pm, peter ogborne wrote:
>> Something that most Australian members are probably unaware of . A group 
>> of members
>> from the Chamberlain 9G  Tractor Club in West Australia are at the moment 
>> driving
>> their tractors across the USA . These blokes are from Ongerup and the 
>> Porongerups
>> here in West Australia .The group consists of  five  9 G's and camper 
>> vans
>> .........if any of you blokes in the US see  the distinctive orange 
>> coloured
>> tractors  say'' G'day''.
>
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Aug  7 17:09:20 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 10:09:20 +1000
Subject: [SEL] For Russ
In-Reply-To: <1C9DB58E-F94C-4631-B489-5518F1A3F5C5@me.com>
References: <1C9DB58E-F94C-4631-B489-5518F1A3F5C5@me.com>
Message-ID: <20090808000917.38AED2980BB@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>

Hay Dave don't forget me pass !!!

meooowwww

PS: Cats make good speed humps


At 08:21 AM 8/08/2009, you wrote:
>Hi Russ, As the cat said when the RR train ran over it's tail: "It
>won't be long now!" See you soon!
>         Dave
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From rotigel at me.com  Fri Aug  7 18:37:38 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:37:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] For Russ
In-Reply-To: <20090808000917.38AED2980BB@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>
References: <1C9DB58E-F94C-4631-B489-5518F1A3F5C5@me.com>
	<20090808000917.38AED2980BB@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <BD5878F8-5B8E-4AB6-A5C6-9B022508EFF0@me.com>

Hi Russ, Be sure to remind me about your pass!
	Dave
PS, Do you know that the more times you run over a cat the flatter it  
gets?
PPS, Safe flight mate!

On Aug 7, 2009, at 8:09 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote:

> Hay Dave don't forget me pass !!!
>
> meooowwww
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> PS: Cats make good speed humps


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Aug  8 08:16:09 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:16:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
In-Reply-To: <0AE74523EF6148C19CDEE264088A78E5@acer8ff47bfe9a>
References: <3B3B5434DBD54BDDB3BE91681C15F3D6@acer8ff47bfe9a>
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G'day Peter,

Those tractors are relatively posh in terms of protection from the elements.  Sadly,
they're already west of me on their journey.  And it's a damn shame that they didn't
plan their trip to hit Portland Indiana during the show in August.  They would
certainly have been the highlight of the biggest engine and tractor show in the
world.

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, August 7, 2009 7:10 pm, peter ogborne wrote:
> Arie ...have a look at   http://www.transworldtractortreks.com/
> Are they passing you ,perhaps a hand out with a beer in it might go down
> well?





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Aug  8 11:34:06 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:34:06 +0200
Subject: [SEL] The Coborn has landed !!
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090808200931.01958ea8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi all,
         I still have not got the Lister CS5/1 onto my pickup - "Govmunt" 
Officials et al. but have been promised that "Tuesday: will be the day - 
problem is that Monday is a public holiday here (Womens Day !!!!)  so I'm 
going to "Hold thumbs" and "cross fingers" for Wednesday !!

         Anyway, not all is lost! The Coborn aircooled engine that I wrote 
to the lists about a few weeks ago is on the back of my pickup and safely 
parked in my garage. It's too cold and too late to actually unload it now - 
best left for tomorrow. (And an "Iron-Horse" genny").

         When I sealed the deal on the Coborn, I knew it had a "pump" 
attached but never even got close to it. Now that it is here I have found 
that the "pump" is actually an air compressor of unknown origin. Seems like 
it was "cobbled" to the engine later. (I'm not unhappy!")

         Please guys, Look at the page here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/coborn/index.htm>

         If anyone can shed any information on the compressor I would 
really be eternally greatful. Details on the page.

         Then I also got a Johnson "Iron-Horse" in the same deal. Also on 
the page.

         Hey Guys, I do understand that these engines are not as 
"glamorous" as many of yours but I'm pretty new to the hobby - most of the 
"glamorous engines" have already found homes - I've gotta appreciate what 
is left (and what I can afford). I love them all.
Keep well.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug  8 18:12:17 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:12:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T.,
	O.T. Need wiring diagram for John Deere LX176 Lawn Tractor
Message-ID: <94A6B4BC92D44005AF5736ADA36AFA5E@PAUL>

Folks once again I need some help. I am in desperate need of a wiring diagram for a John Deere LX 176 Lawn Tractor with a 14 HP Kawasaki Engine in it.

I would appreciate any help anyone can offer,

Thanks,

Paul


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Aug  8 19:43:28 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ronald D Haskell)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:43:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] O.T.,
	O.T. Need wiring diagram for John Deere LX176 Lawn Tractor
Message-ID: <20090808.194329.2032.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Paul.
I know this is a stretch but:  I have it for a 160 with a 12.5 Kawasaki. 
You never know it might be similar.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:12:17 -0600 <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> Folks once again I need some help. I am in desperate need of a wiring 
> diagram for a John Deere LX 176 Lawn Tractor with a 14 HP Kawasaki 
> Engine in it.
> 
> I would appreciate any help anyone can offer,
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug  8 19:50:08 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:50:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T.,
	O.T. Need wiring diagram for John Deere LX176 Lawn Tractor
References: <20090808.194329.2032.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <A2BB61A950544843905A7B47441C188E@PAUL>

Who knows Ron, might work, send it my way if you can and thanks.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ronald D Haskell" <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T.,O.T. Need wiring diagram for John Deere LX176 Lawn 
Tractor


> Hi Paul.
> I know this is a stretch but:  I have it for a 160 with a 12.5 Kawasaki.
> You never know it might be similar.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
>
> On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:12:17 -0600 <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> writes:
>> Folks once again I need some help. I am in desperate need of a wiring
>> diagram for a John Deere LX 176 Lawn Tractor with a 14 HP Kawasaki
>> Engine in it.
>>
>> I would appreciate any help anyone can offer,
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Paul
>>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Aug  9 04:43:40 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 07:43:40 EDT
Subject: [SEL] The Coborn has landed !!
Message-ID: <bf6.382b0ad0.37b0106c@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 8/8/2009 2:37:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

I've  gotta appreciate what 
is left (and what I can afford). I love them  all.




Jerry,
 
Wife once told me I could not own everything!
 
Tom


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Aug  9 05:35:21 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:35:21 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The Coborn has landed !!
References: <bf6.382b0ad0.37b0106c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D63E8A9C1BD64589B0D2B9A5D734D9DD@peterlowe>

Tom
My wife told me that 20 years ago, sure wish I had listened to her. I am 
moving and down sizing from a 50ft x 30ft shed to 20ft x 13ft shed plus a 
garage but I gotta get one car in there too.
You can guess how many sleepless nights I have had lately.
Peter, Oz



> Jerry,
> Wife once told me I could not own everything!
> Tom




From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sun Aug  9 08:46:51 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 11:46:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
Message-ID: <10588619.1249832811252.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Peter, any idea of where they are right now.  According to the map, they will be traveling through a town called Bonner Springs Kansas which is only 10 min from me.

Tim 


From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Aug  9 09:34:33 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (kimmell at verizon.net)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:34:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
Message-ID: <715106863-1249835803-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-960257768-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

There ARE two N's in that name, correct??  ;-)

-Tony


------Original Message------
From: Tim Christoff
Sender: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
To: The SEL email discussion list
ReplyTo: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
Sent: Aug 9, 2009 10:46 AM


Peter, any idea of where they are right now.  According to the map, they will be traveling through a town called Bonner Springs Kansas which is only 10 min from me.

Tim 
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From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Sun Aug  9 13:36:42 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 06:36:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The Coborn has landed
Message-ID: <C88AA51648134D80808B2D2BEACD0930@HOUSE>

Hey there
Thanks Jerry for the interesting story and pics on the Coborn and compressor.
Sorry, I cannot add anything to your knowledge of the compressor. 
But the link to your homepage opens up the opportunity of some interesting time at the computer.
Thank you!
Teddee

From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Aug  9 16:09:04 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:09:04 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
References: <10588619.1249832811252.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <D5D9FAA9DBD3402FBD9F99B10D8C6F89@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Tim, have a look at 
http://www.transworldtractortreks.com/Our%20_trip_Itinerary.html
This will tell about where they hope to be! There is also a cell phone 
number.The Home page also has info on it .
If you do happen to meet up with them say hello for me to Dick Garrnet
Peter Ogborne.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA


>
> Peter, any idea of where they are right now.  According to the map, they 
> will be traveling through a town called Bonner Springs Kansas which is 
> only 10 min from me.
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Aug  9 16:16:26 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:16:26 +0800
Subject: [SEL] The Coborn has landed
References: <C88AA51648134D80808B2D2BEACD0930@HOUSE>
Message-ID: <3C289CB34EF64B95BF4213B93693B583@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Jerry ,the Iron Horse,is it a 12v or 32 v . I have one of the latter, these 
are not as common it seems as the former.
In my derelect " Old Shed '' amongst the Tiger Snakes and Dugites ,Red Back 
Spiders and Kangeroo shit is an air cooled Douglas Engine .....looks a bit 
like your Coborn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ted & Sue Domeney" <dombros2 at clearmail.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:36 AM
Subject: [SEL] The Coborn has landed


> Hey there
> Thanks Jerry for the interesting story and pics on the Coborn and 
> compressor.
> Sorry, I cannot add anything to your knowledge of the compressor.
> But the link to your homepage opens up the opportunity of some interesting 
> time at the computer.
> Thank you!
> Teddee
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Sun Aug  9 16:48:54 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:48:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] The Coborn has landed !!
In-Reply-To: <D63E8A9C1BD64589B0D2B9A5D734D9DD@peterlowe>
References: <bf6.382b0ad0.37b0106c@aol.com>
	<D63E8A9C1BD64589B0D2B9A5D734D9DD@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <3359C0EF-460D-427A-8010-840C3EE3223F@rustyiron.com>

You wish you had listened to Kay, Kay wishes she had listened to her  
mother...

So what's the problem?  Now you're going to have to get by with a  
normal sized work area, just like the rest of us.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Aug 9, 2009, at 5:35 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Tom
> My wife told me that 20 years ago, sure wish I had listened to her.  
> I am
> moving and down sizing from a 50ft x 30ft shed to 20ft x 13ft shed  
> plus a
> garage but I gotta get one car in there too.
> You can guess how many sleepless nights I have had lately.
> Peter, Oz
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From oldengines at bigpond.com  Mon Aug 10 03:13:42 2009
From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron Sullivan)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:13:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT hornsby engine for sale
Message-ID: <000b01ca19a3$3d3f4240$6400a8c0@ronliz>

Hi all
We have a 2hp lamp start 1912 hornsby for sale, These are the smallest engine that they made.it has a 2' 6" flywheel. It only measures 4ft  8" from tip of hotbulb to end of flywheel.
A pretty rare engine only about 5 in australia, open for expressions of interest, email me off list.paatrick will be putting video on youtube and this is only its 2nd start since i got it, ist start was yesterday, runs  well and has 2 repro wineglass oilers, original rivetted fuel tank , and engine will be supplied on timbers not transporter
thanks
Ron & Liz Sullivan
oldengines at bigpond.com

From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 03:34:51 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:34:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT hornsby engine for sale
In-Reply-To: <000b01ca19a3$3d3f4240$6400a8c0@ronliz>
Message-ID: <C6A634EB.2167%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qcQmePAl6Y


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 03:49:02 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:49:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Visitor to Victoria from NZ
Message-ID: <C6A6383E.216D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

>From a fellow collector in NZ:

I'm comming over to Ballarat for a week next week, do you know of any
stationary engine collections in the area?
 
Regards
John

If anyone can help email John at:  JSutherland at water.co.nz

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Aug 10 08:21:57 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (edurand at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:21:57 +0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test
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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 10 10:39:13 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:39:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
Message-ID: <BAY127-W9F2D7AAA9B68DE5604DF3CB060@phx.gbl>


"Peter, any idea of where they are right now.  According 
to the map, they will be traveling through a town called 
Bonner Springs Kansas which is only 10 min from me.
 
Tim "

Yeah, their itinerary isn't what you'd call detailed.  
Their notes from the trek, though, indicate they are 
now in western SD, so I think you've missed them, Tim.  
They are headed my way, but again, the lack of detail 
makes it impossible to know when.


Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

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From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Aug 10 10:49:32 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:49:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
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Would be great if their website always listed their current location.

George

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"Peter, any idea of where they are right now.  According 
to the map, they will be traveling through a town called 
Bonner Springs Kansas which is only 10 min from me.
 
Tim "

Yeah, their itinerary isn't what you'd call detailed.  
Their notes from the trek, though, indicate they are 
now in western SD, so I think you've missed them, Tim.  
They are headed my way, but again, the lack of detail 
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From pwaugh at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug 10 11:39:15 2009
From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:39:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
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By reading their diary, I can tell about where they have been :))

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> to the map, they will be traveling through a town called
> Bonner Springs Kansas which is only 10 min from me.
>
> Tim "
>
> Yeah, their itinerary isn't what you'd call detailed.
> Their notes from the trek, though, indicate they are
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Aug 10 11:40:36 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:40:36 +0200
Subject: [SEL] The Coborn lives !!
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090810202852.02313c78@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         After a bit of work today I got the Coborn running beautifully. 
There was very little wrong with it - just a few minor missing parts.
         I've updated the webpage and added a video for those who would 
like to watch:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/coborn/index.htm>
         I'm a "Happy Chappie" tonight and very pleased with a "bargain" - 
it only cost me the equivalent of about 30 cans of good South African beer !!


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 10 12:48:11 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:48:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
Message-ID: <876871.1249933691305.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

It would have been nice to have seen something in the news about it so I could have gotten a chance to see them.  Thanks Bruce.

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>
>"Peter, any idea of where they are right now.  According 
>to the map, they will be traveling through a town called 
>Bonner Springs Kansas which is only 10 min from me.
> 
>Tim "
>
>Yeah, their itinerary isn't what you'd call detailed.  
>Their notes from the trek, though, indicate they are 
>now in western SD, so I think you've missed them, Tim.  
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From james.kangas at timken.com  Mon Aug 10 13:04:59 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:04:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><9BFBB4F4D5A04DB7960823C6AB0C4CDA@ecsserverwebs>
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How is the paper used to start a Field Marshall engine? I'm not familiar at all with that engine. I have read about some Diesel engines that had a port into which was stuffed an oily rag that was then lit to help warm up the cylinder.
    Jim K.

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From rolfb at accima.com  Mon Aug 10 13:24:55 2009
From: rolfb at accima.com (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:24:55 -0700
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
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James - A writeup stolen off the net.

To start the Marshall a smouldering piece of special paper, containing 
saltpeter, is inserted into the cylinder head by means of the special 
screw in holder located in the cylinder head. The engine is then swung 
over by means of a starting handle placed in the starting dog on the 
flywheel. This is aided by the decompression valve, which decompresses 
the engine for anything up to 6 revolutions (generally 3 revolutions is 
sufficient - a spiral groove at the back of the flywheel is used to 
determine the number of revolutions you turn it through before it comes 
up to full compression) in order to allow the flywheel to gain speed, 
and therefore inertia, in order to turn the engine over compression, and 
get the engine to fire.

A cartridge starting system is also fitted to the tractor. A shot-gun 
type cartridge is loaded into a breech on the engine's intake system. 
The smouldering paper is placed in the cylinder head, and the cartridge 
is fired by tapping the protrusion pin with a hammer. This puts a charge 
into the bore, sending the piston flying through its stroke, bursting 
into life. This method, however, deposits carbon which often causes 
jamming of the decompression valve if cartridges are regularly used. It 
also puts significantly more strain on the moving parts of the engine.


Regards,

Bob R
Moses Lake, WA, USA



Kangas, James G. wrote:
> How is the paper used to start a Field Marshall engine? I'm not familiar at all with that engine. I have read about some Diesel engines that had a port into which was stuffed an oily rag that was then lit to help warm up the cylinder.
>     Jim K.
>
>   
>


From james.kangas at timken.com  Mon Aug 10 13:36:07 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:36:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
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So does the paper actually ignite the fuel on the first compression stroke?
  Jim K.

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James - A writeup stolen off the net.

To start the Marshall a smouldering piece of special paper, containing
saltpeter, is inserted into the cylinder head by means of the special
screw in holder located in the cylinder head. The engine is then swung
over by means of a starting handle placed in the starting dog on the
flywheel. This is aided by the decompression valve, which decompresses
the engine for anything up to 6 revolutions (generally 3 revolutions is
sufficient - a spiral groove at the back of the flywheel is used to
determine the number of revolutions you turn it through before it comes
up to full compression) in order to allow the flywheel to gain speed,
and therefore inertia, in order to turn the engine over compression, and
get the engine to fire.

A cartridge starting system is also fitted to the tractor. A shot-gun
type cartridge is loaded into a breech on the engine's intake system.
The smouldering paper is placed in the cylinder head, and the cartridge
is fired by tapping the protrusion pin with a hammer. This puts a charge
into the bore, sending the piston flying through its stroke, bursting
into life. This method, however, deposits carbon which often causes
jamming of the decompression valve if cartridges are regularly used. It
also puts significantly more strain on the moving parts of the engine.


Regards,

Bob R
Moses Lake, WA, USA



Kangas, James G. wrote:
> How is the paper used to start a Field Marshall engine? I'm not familiar at all with that engine. I have read about some Diesel engines that had a port into which was stuffed an oily rag that was then lit to help warm up the cylinder.
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From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Aug 10 14:37:11 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:37:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
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Been over a year since I last started my Field Marshall, but I take a sheet of the starting paper I made years ago and cut off a strip.  About 1-1/4 to 1-12" wide and around 3" long.  You then roll the paper up into a fairly tight roll.  If your strip was not too long the rolled up paper should fit into the end of the paper holder.

Another way to look at it, is the roll of paper is about the same diameter as a cigarette.  I've seen a person use a cigarette in place of a starting paper, but I've never tried it.

Lighting the starting paper is only done after you've prepared everything else to be ready to start.  After you light the paper, I usually blow on it to make sure it is burning (smoldering is more like it) then screw it into the cylinder head.  Wait a few seconds, then strike the 12 gauge firing pin and with a little luck your Field Marshall is running.

George

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How is the paper used to start a Field Marshall engine? I'm not familiar at all with that engine. I have read about some Diesel engines that had a port into which was stuffed an oily rag that was then lit to help warm up the cylinder.
    Jim K.

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From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Aug 10 14:40:08 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:40:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
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The smoldering paper acts like a glow plug for the first few revolutions.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kangas, James G.
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 1:36 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper

So does the paper actually ignite the fuel on the first compression stroke?
  Jim K.

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From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Bob W7AVK
Sent: Mon 8/10/2009 4:24 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper



James - A writeup stolen off the net.

To start the Marshall a smouldering piece of special paper, containing saltpeter, is inserted into the cylinder head by means of the special screw in holder located in the cylinder head. The engine is then swung over by means of a starting handle placed in the starting dog on the flywheel. This is aided by the decompression valve, which decompresses the engine for anything up to 6 revolutions (generally 3 revolutions is sufficient - a spiral groove at the back of the flywheel is used to determine the number of revolutions you turn it through before it comes up to full compression) in order to allow the flywheel to gain speed, and therefore inertia, in order to turn the engine over compression, and get the engine to fire.

A cartridge starting system is also fitted to the tractor. A shot-gun type cartridge is loaded into a breech on the engine's intake system.
The smouldering paper is placed in the cylinder head, and the cartridge is fired by tapping the protrusion pin with a hammer. This puts a charge into the bore, sending the piston flying through its stroke, bursting into life. This method, however, deposits carbon which often causes jamming of the decompression valve if cartridges are regularly used. It also puts significantly more strain on the moving parts of the engine.


Regards,

Bob R
Moses Lake, WA, USA



Kangas, James G. wrote:
> How is the paper used to start a Field Marshall engine? I'm not familiar at all with that engine. I have read about some Diesel engines that had a port into which was stuffed an oily rag that was then lit to help warm up the cylinder.
>     Jim K.
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Aug 10 14:44:48 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:44:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
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Same here would have loved to go see them as they passed through 
Ohio, they passed just 60 miles north of us. But they were well west 
of us by the time I heard of it.  Might have been something on the 
news here but just have not been watching lately.      Safe Journey 
to the Aussies.  And if the tractors have hub caps lock em down when 
you get to Los Angeles GRINNN       Mark


At 03:48 PM 8/10/2009, you wrote:
>It would have been nice to have seen something in the news about it 
>so I could have gotten a chance to see them.  Thanks Bruce. 
>-----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Younger 
><sluggo54 at hotmail.com> >Sent: Aug 10, 2009 1:39 PM >To: 
>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors 
>across the USA > > >"Peter, any idea of where they are right 
>now.  According >to the map, they will be traveling through a town 
>called >Bonner Springs Kansas which is only 10 min from me. > >Tim 
>" > >Yeah, their itinerary isn't what you'd call detailed.  >Their 
>notes from the trek, though, indicate they are >now in western SD, 
>so I think you've missed them, Tim.  >They are headed my way, but 
>again, the lack of detail >makes it impossible to know 
>when. > > >Bruce Younger   >


Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA



From james.kangas at timken.com  Mon Aug 10 14:56:36 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:56:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
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Thank you George and Bob for your replies,
  That sounds like quite a unique way to start an engine. I've heard of some aircraft engines that use a starter cartridge, but the Field Marshall is the first one I've heard of using touch paper to start.
   Jim K.

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From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Best, George
Sent: Mon 8/10/2009 5:37 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper




Been over a year since I last started my Field Marshall, but I take a sheet of the starting paper I made years ago and cut off a strip.  About 1-1/4 to 1-12" wide and around 3" long.  You then roll the paper up into a fairly tight roll.  If your strip was not too long the rolled up paper should fit into the end of the paper holder.

Another way to look at it, is the roll of paper is about the same diameter as a cigarette.  I've seen a person use a cigarette in place of a starting paper, but I've never tried it.

Lighting the starting paper is only done after you've prepared everything else to be ready to start.  After you light the paper, I usually blow on it to make sure it is burning (smoldering is more like it) then screw it into the cylinder head.  Wait a few seconds, then strike the 12 gauge firing pin and with a little luck your Field Marshall is running.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kangas, James G.
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 1:05 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper

How is the paper used to start a Field Marshall engine? I'm not familiar at all with that engine. I have read about some Diesel engines that had a port into which was stuffed an oily rag that was then lit to help warm up the cylinder.
    Jim K.

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Sent: Mon 8/10/2009 11:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test



Testing your test reply to the test reply to Art's test message.

He said testily!

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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Aug 10 15:11:20 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:11:20 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
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Mark and others ,sorry you missed them .Is there any chance for those that 
they have not passed, the cell phone might work.I suppose it is hard to 
stick to a predetermined schedule ......especialy when they are driving on 
the WRONG side of the road!
The hub caps Mark ....as an apprentice I worked for a firm who did 
subcontract work for Chamberlains .I can remember facing off bolt on hubcaps 
!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA


> Same here would have loved to go see them as they passed through
> Ohio, they passed just 60 miles north of us. But they were well west
> of us by the time I heard of it.  Might have been something on the
> news here but just have not been watching lately.      Safe Journey
> to the Aussies.  And if the tractors have hub caps lock em down when
> you get to Los Angeles GRINNN       Mark
>
>
> At 03:48 PM 8/10/2009, you wrote:
>>It would have been nice to have seen something in the news about it
>>so I could have gotten a chance to see them.  Thanks Bruce.
>>-----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Younger
>><sluggo54 at hotmail.com> >Sent: Aug 10, 2009 1:39 PM >To:
>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors
>>across the USA > > >"Peter, any idea of where they are right
>>now.  According >to the map, they will be traveling through a town
>>called >Bonner Springs Kansas which is only 10 min from me. > >Tim
>>" > >Yeah, their itinerary isn't what you'd call detailed.  >Their
>>notes from the trek, though, indicate they are >now in western SD,
>>so I think you've missed them, Tim.  >They are headed my way, but
>>again, the lack of detail >makes it impossible to know
>>when. > > >Bruce Younger   >
>
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> Mark Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
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From solarrog at pacbell.net  Mon Aug 10 15:16:14 2009
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (solarrog)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:16:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] tractor across the us
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><9BFBB4F4D5A04DB7960823C6AB0C4CDA@ecsserverwebs><081020091521.23995.4A803B15000B486400005DBB223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC060F5@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com><0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A6CF0E4CB@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
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I just did a google search and there is lots of information about there trip

http://www.transworldtractortreks.com/
is one link
http://www.farmcollector.com/tractors/trek-across-america.aspx

http://www.machinefinder.com/ww/en-US/articles/464

http://www.prairiefarmer.com/story.aspx?s=24858

there are more links if you look
Roger


From maytagtwin at aol.com  Mon Aug 10 15:37:18 2009
From: maytagtwin at aol.com (maytagtwin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:37:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
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Hi Jim,


I have a German made Benz diesel stationary (about 5 hp) with solid flywheels that uses the cigarette shaped paper ignitor.? A unique feature about this engine is it is mounted on a one wheel (wheelbarrow style) cart and the exhaust exits through the metal handles of the cart which slide (trombone style)for transport and slide back flush for running or storage.? It is hopper cooled.


Regards,


Ron Carroll


Clearmont, MO USA




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To: The SEL email discussion list &lt;sel at lists.stationary-engine.com&gt;

Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2009 4:56 pm

Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper





Thank you George and Bob for your replies,    That sounds like quite a unique way to start an engine. I've heard of some   aircraft engines that use a starter cartridge, but the Field Marshall is the   first one I've heard of using touch paper to start.     Jim K.    ________________________________    From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Best, George  Sent: Mon 8/10/2009 5:37 PM  To: The SEL email discussion list  Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper          Been over a year since I last started my Field Marshall, but I take a sheet of   the starting paper I made years ago and cut off a strip.  About 1-1/4 to 1-12"   wide and around 3" long.  You then roll the paper up into a fairly tight roll.    If your strip was not too long the rolled up paper should fit into the end of   the paper holder.    Another way to look at it, is the roll of paper is about the same diameter as a   cigarette.  I've seen a person use a cigarette in pla
 ce of a starting paper, but   I've never tried it.    Lighting the starting paper is only done after you've prepared everything else   to be ready to start.  After you light the paper, I usually blow on it to make   sure it is burning (smoldering is more like it) then screw it into the cylinder   head.  Wait a few seconds, then strike the 12 gauge firing pin and with a little   luck your Field Marshall is running.    George    -----Original Message-----  From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]   On Behalf Of Kangas, James G.  Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 1:05 PM  To: The SEL email discussion list  Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper    How is the paper used to start a Field Marshall engine? I'm not familiar at all   with that engine. I have read about some Diesel engines that had a port into   which was stuffed an oily rag that was then lit to help warm up the cylinder.      Jim K.    ___________
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Aug 10 15:41:50 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:41:50 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  Aussie tractors across the USA
Message-ID: <16AF5CFA277E4B9184A4C1E8B40B803B@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Anyone who is interested try the cell phone  443 279 8541They do speak 
English so you should be able to understand!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA


> Mark and others ,sorry you missed them .Is there any chance for those that
> they have not passed, the cell phone might work.I suppose it is hard to
> stick to a predetermined schedule ......especialy when they are driving on
> the WRONG side of the road!
> The hub caps Mark ....as an apprentice I worked for a firm who did
> subcontract work for Chamberlains .I can remember facing off bolt on 
> hubcaps
> !
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
>
>
>> Same here would have loved to go see them as they passed through
>> Ohio, they passed just 60 miles north of us. But they were well west
>> of us by the time I heard of it.  Might have been something on the
>> news here but just have not been watching lately.      Safe Journey
>> to the Aussies.  And if the tractors have hub caps lock em down when
>> you get to Los Angeles GRINNN       Mark
>>
>>
>> At 03:48 PM 8/10/2009, you wrote:
>>>It would have been nice to have seen something in the news about it
>>>so I could have gotten a chance to see them.  Thanks Bruce.
>>>-----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Younger
>>><sluggo54 at hotmail.com> >Sent: Aug 10, 2009 1:39 PM >To:
>>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors
>>>across the USA > > >"Peter, any idea of where they are right
>>>now.  According >to the map, they will be traveling through a town
>>>called >Bonner Springs Kansas which is only 10 min from me. > >Tim
>>>" > >Yeah, their itinerary isn't what you'd call detailed.  >Their
>>>notes from the trek, though, indicate they are >now in western SD,
>>>so I think you've missed them, Tim.  >They are headed my way, but
>>>again, the lack of detail >makes it impossible to know
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From rolfb at accima.com  Mon Aug 10 15:48:23 2009
From: rolfb at accima.com (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:48:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
In-Reply-To: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC060F9@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><9BFBB4F4D5A04DB7960823C6AB0C4CDA@ecsserverwebs><081020091521.23995.4A803B15000B486400005DBB223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC060F5@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A6CF0E4CB@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
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Jame - The FM was before my time.   But I've been told they were 
designed for very much "on the cheap" immediately after WWII to get 
something into the fields  when the UK was in very bad times and 
resources were hard to come by.  Using such a starting technique was the 
ultimate in simple as there was no electrical system.  Sorry, forgot to 
tell you about the starting cartridge which is in effect a very slow 
burning black powder which 12 gauge blank that creates a high pressure 
"push" on the pre positioned piston [top ].  Idea is to get enough 
energy into the over sized fly wheel that the next compression cycle is 
pushed through and the engine starts.  Being a single cylinder its an 
experience to ride the tractor for it really shakes.  :-)     The paper 
was really a manual glow plug.    I've seen them started without using 
the paper.  


Regards,

Bob R
Moses Lake, WA USA




Kangas, James G. wrote:
> Thank you George and Bob for your replies,
>   That sounds like quite a unique way to start an engine. I've heard of some aircraft engines that use a starter cartridge, but the Field Marshall is the first one I've heard of using touch paper to start.
>    Jim K.
>
> ________________________________
>   
>   


From james.kangas at timken.com  Mon Aug 10 16:08:30 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:08:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><9BFBB4F4D5A04DB7960823C6AB0C4CDA@ecsserverwebs><081020091521.23995.4A803B15000B486400005DBB223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC060F5@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A6CF0E4CB@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
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I guess when you consider Lucas electrical systems, a burning piece of paper would likely be more reliable. So it makes sense.
  Jim 

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Bob W7AVK
Sent: Mon 8/10/2009 6:48 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper



Jame - The FM was before my time.   But I've been told they were
designed for very much "on the cheap" immediately after WWII to get
something into the fields  when the UK was in very bad times and
resources were hard to come by.  Using such a starting technique was the
ultimate in simple as there was no electrical system.  Sorry, forgot to
tell you about the starting cartridge which is in effect a very slow
burning black powder which 12 gauge blank that creates a high pressure
"push" on the pre positioned piston [top ].  Idea is to get enough
energy into the over sized fly wheel that the next compression cycle is
pushed through and the engine starts.  Being a single cylinder its an
experience to ride the tractor for it really shakes.  :-)     The paper
was really a manual glow plug.    I've seen them started without using
the paper. 


Regards,

Bob R
Moses Lake, WA USA




Kangas, James G. wrote:
> Thank you George and Bob for your replies,
>   That sounds like quite a unique way to start an engine. I've heard of some aircraft engines that use a starter cartridge, but the Field Marshall is the first one I've heard of using touch paper to start.
>    Jim K.
>
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>  
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From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Tue Aug 11 00:16:23 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:16:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
In-Reply-To: <4A808217.5030103@accima.com>
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Hi Bob, I know that you pinched this from the 'net so they're not your 
words so this isn't directed at you. I have to wonder about the validity 
of the last statement. Why would firing from a cartridge place any more 
strain on an engine than the first firing stroke on any engine when 
starting. All the cartridge does is take over the job of the exploding 
fuel - I don't see how it could be worse.

To steal some words from (I think) Dave Rotigel... it all comes down to 
Suck, Bang, Blow, Suck, Bang, Blow, Suck, Bang, Blow, Suck, Bang, 
Blow.... etc.

Regards
Paul

Bob W7AVK wrote:
>  This method, however, deposits carbon which often causes 
> jamming of the decompression valve if cartridges are regularly used. It 
> also puts significantly more strain on the moving parts of the engine.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob R
> Moses Lake, WA, USA
>
>   



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 01:00:06 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:00:06 +0100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
In-Reply-To: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC060F5@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<9BFBB4F4D5A04DB7960823C6AB0C4CDA@ecsserverwebs>
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2009/8/10 Kangas, James G. <james.kangas at timken.com>:
> How is the paper used to start a Field Marshall engine? I'm not familiar at all with that >engine. I have read about some Diesel engines that had a port into which was stuffed an >oily rag that was then lit to help warm up the cylinder.
>Jim K.

A lot of the Ruston & Hornsby diesels use a similar thing, it's
blotting paper soaked in Saltpetre and left to dry. It provides the
heat required for the initial start-up, and is needed for those
engines like the Marshall which have a low-compression starting aid.

Our 1ZHR Ruston has a half-compression cam as well. We are replacing
the paper starters with a 12V glow plug, as you need one for every
start on our engine and there's no air start.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Aug 11 06:54:20 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:54:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
In-Reply-To: <4A811AC7.20206@steamengine.com.au>
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><9BFBB4F4D5A04DB7960823C6AB0C4CDA@ecsserverwebs>
	<081020091521.23995.4A803B15000B486400005DBB223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com>
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Just curious, how many people on this list actually have or had a Field Marshall?

I've owned a Series II Field Marshall since some time in the mid 90's.

I would agree that "power starting" (using a cartridge) rather than hand cranking would put more strain on the engine.  After all, when hand cranking you've already built up some inertia and have the flywheel turning when it first fires.  Using the starting shell, the engine is setting still with the flywheel in the starting position which is just past TDC.  It has got to be harder on the engine having an explosion in the cylinder while the piston is stopped.

Now does it hurt the engine?  I don't think so.  In all the years I've had mine I've never hand cranked it.  I've always used a starting shell.

As for carbon deposits and strain, I think that can vary on how your starting shells are loaded.  When I got mine, I talked to the collectors in Washington and BC that already had been showing FM tractors for years and got a reloading formula from them.  It has worked well for me all these years and a friend of mine with a Series III FM, just commented this past month to me that it has been working well for him for years.

Here's a bit of FM trivia most of you may not be aware of.

The engine on the FM Series III turns in the opposite direction than the earlier FM tractors.  My engine runs counter clockwise looking at the flywheel, while the Series III runs clockwise.  I read this change was made to help reduce the amount of bounce by having the power stroke on the downside of the crank.

George



-----Original Message-----

Bob W7AVK wrote:
>  This method, however, deposits carbon which often causes 
> jamming of the decompression valve if cartridges are regularly used. It 
> also puts significantly more strain on the moving parts of the engine.


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From plb at iinet.net.au  Tue Aug 11 08:00:42 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:00:42 +0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
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I had a series 2 in the early 70's. It was already out of date as a
workhorse but I used it on the farm for a number of years before we sold the
farm there and moved to another area. It was a great tractor with a bit of
character.It would pull a 12 disc plow at a pinch. Would run for days and
nights on end running a belt driven pump of the pulley. I normally started
it with the crank handle and on a cold morning it was both me and my brother
on it. If it was frosty it was to much for two strong young blokes and we
used a cartridge.I remember having to sometimes give the left hand
pully/flywheel a belt with a bit of timber to unstick the cone clutch. If it
got bogged do the same as a Lanz and shut it down before it vibrated its way
deep into the mud.Starting it with the cartridge was whoa to go in a split
second but the crank and conrod was a serious bit of iron. I think they were
built to take that sort of strain.The only mechanical maintenance I did was
get the solid bronze big end cap machined to stop it knocking.It used a bit
of oil because of the ball valve under the crankcase was worn and let a bit
of oil through.  I remember I paid $250 and sold it for the same. It ended
its life on a pump near Kyabram.
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George
Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 9:54 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper

Just curious, how many people on this list actually have or had a Field
Marshall?

I've owned a Series II Field Marshall since some time in the mid 90's.

I would agree that "power starting" (using a cartridge) rather than hand
cranking would put more strain on the engine.  After all, when hand cranking
you've already built up some inertia and have the flywheel turning when it
first fires.  Using the starting shell, the engine is setting still with the
flywheel in the starting position which is just past TDC.  It has got to be
harder on the engine having an explosion in the cylinder while the piston is
stopped.

Now does it hurt the engine?  I don't think so.  In all the years I've had
mine I've never hand cranked it.  I've always used a starting shell.

As for carbon deposits and strain, I think that can vary on how your
starting shells are loaded.  When I got mine, I talked to the collectors in
Washington and BC that already had been showing FM tractors for years and
got a reloading formula from them.  It has worked well for me all these
years and a friend of mine with a Series III FM, just commented this past
month to me that it has been working well for him for years.

Here's a bit of FM trivia most of you may not be aware of.

The engine on the FM Series III turns in the opposite direction than the
earlier FM tractors.  My engine runs counter clockwise looking at the
flywheel, while the Series III runs clockwise.  I read this change was made
to help reduce the amount of bounce by having the power stroke on the
downside of the crank.

George



-----Original Message-----

Bob W7AVK wrote:
>  This method, however, deposits carbon which often causes 
> jamming of the decompression valve if cartridges are regularly used. It 
> also puts significantly more strain on the moving parts of the engine.


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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Aug 11 08:30:41 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:30:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Field Marshall
In-Reply-To: <00e701ca1a94$7f1d7780$7d586680$@net.au>
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><9BFBB4F4D5A04DB7960823C6AB0C4CDA@ecsserverwebs>
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Ray,

Thanks for posting your experience.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:01 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper

I had a series 2 in the early 70's. It was already out of date as a workhorse but I used it on the farm for a number of years before we sold the farm there and moved to another area. It was a great tractor with a bit of character.It would pull a 12 disc plow at a pinch. Would run for days and nights on end running a belt driven pump of the pulley. I normally started it with the crank handle and on a cold morning it was both me and my brother on it. If it was frosty it was to much for two strong young blokes and we used a cartridge.I remember having to sometimes give the left hand pully/flywheel a belt with a bit of timber to unstick the cone clutch. If it got bogged do the same as a Lanz and shut it down before it vibrated its way deep into the mud.Starting it with the cartridge was whoa to go in a split second but the crank and conrod was a serious bit of iron. I think they were built to take that sort of strain.The only mechanical maintenance I did was get the solid bronze big end cap machined to stop it knocking.It used a bit of oil because of the ball valve under the crankcase was worn and let a bit of oil through.  I remember I paid $250 and sold it for the same. It ended its life on a pump near Kyabram.
Ray Freeman



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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Aug 11 10:32:44 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:32:44 +0200
Subject: [SEL] touch paper/now Field Marshall tractors
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1250006402.18254.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
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Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090811190109.02021978@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 11/08/2009, you wrote:
>Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 9:54 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
>
>Just curious, how many people on this list actually have or had a Field
>Marshall?

Hi All,
I've never owned one but a good friend has 2 and I've (hand crank) started 
and driven one. They vibrate like hell, I tried to video from one but the 
"steady shot" on a Sony video camera is no match for a Field Marshall 
!!  Then there is THAT gearbox and shifting system ! They really have a lot 
of character and stories abound.
         One is that it was easier to park them a little way from the house 
(because of the noise) at the end of a days work and leave them running at 
an idle until the next day - at an idle they dig themselves into moist soil 
but the thinking was that it was easier to "dig them out" than to start 
them :-)
         They are probably also the slowest tractor on a road. I had to 
drive one back from a show - a mere 2 miles - I only got back to the 
parking about an hour after the other tractors!!
         Also, the exhaust sticks out of the top of the bonnet - an ideal 
position to poison the driver with carbon monoxide. Trust me, been there 
done that!
         They are big, noisy, cumbersome brutes - I love them. They were 
"copied" from the Bulldog Lanz when negotiations to produce the Lanz in 
Britain failed for some or other reason.
         Now to the "starting paper". Hatz Diesels also use a similar 
method of starting and their starting "papers" are still available and fit 
the Field Marshall (albeit quite expensive).
         The other method, as has been mentioned, is to make your own by 
soaking cloth or paper in saltpetre. My mate swears by using denim cloth 
(that old pair of jeans or Levis). Cigarette stubs also work but stop 
glowing pretty quickly once inserted.

         One last point - shotgun cartridges - these are specially prepared 
"blanks" - do not try putting a "buckshot" shell in - the result could be 
disastrous :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Aug 11 10:48:54 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:48:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] touch paper/now Field Marshall tractors
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Jerry,

I make my starting papers using what we call construction paper (used by school kids to make art projects).  Never hear of using cloth, but don't see why it wouldn't work.  Might have to soak some of my old denim with saltpeter and see how it compares with the papers.

I could see where it might glow longer than the paper ones.

All this Field Marshall take makes me think I'd better start mine this year.  Won't be this week as we leave early in the morning to head to a show in Nevada this weekend.

Although a FM is a tractor and might be off topic for some, I kind of look at it as being a 1 cylinder diesel engine that is self propelled ;-)  When I take mine to a show I usually don't drive it around much, much more time is spend demonstrating the starting process and just listening to it run a bit with that steady pomp-pomp-pomp sound.

George

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         The other method, as has been mentioned, is to make your own by 
soaking cloth or paper in saltpetre. My mate swears by using denim cloth 
(that old pair of jeans or Levis). Cigarette stubs also work but stop 
glowing pretty quickly once inserted.



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From james.kangas at timken.com  Tue Aug 11 11:52:45 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:52:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
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So if these engines are low-compression does that mean they are semi-diesels?
  Jim K.

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2009/8/10 Kangas, James G. <james.kangas at timken.com>:
> How is the paper used to start a Field Marshall engine? I'm not familiar at all with that >engine. I have read about some Diesel engines that had a port into which was stuffed an >oily rag that was then lit to help warm up the cylinder.
>Jim K.

A lot of the Ruston & Hornsby diesels use a similar thing, it's
blotting paper soaked in Saltpetre and left to dry. It provides the
heat required for the initial start-up, and is needed for those
engines like the Marshall which have a low-compression starting aid.

Our 1ZHR Ruston has a half-compression cam as well. We are replacing
the paper starters with a 12V glow plug, as you need one for every
start on our engine and there's no air start.

Peter
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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Aug 11 12:29:41 2009
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The Field Marshall is a true diesel, not a semi-diesel.

The compression ratio is about 16:1 according to a search I just did.  I can check my manuals at home to confirm that later.

George

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So if these engines are low-compression does that mean they are semi-diesels?
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From james.kangas at timken.com  Tue Aug 11 14:01:10 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:01:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
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When you said low-compression I was thinking much lower then 16:1,so I think you're right about it being a true diesel.
   Jim K.

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The Field Marshall is a true diesel, not a semi-diesel.

The compression ratio is about 16:1 according to a search I just did.  I can check my manuals at home to confirm that later.

George

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So if these engines are low-compression does that mean they are semi-diesels?
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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Aug 11 14:27:49 2009
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Jim,

Peter was the one that used "low-compression" and "Marshall" in the same sentence. ;-)

Too often people get confused during some of these discussions as to what was posted by who.  When giving credit or blame be sure you get the right person.

George :-)

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Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 2:01 PM
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When you said low-compression I was thinking much lower then 16:1,so I think you're right about it being a true diesel.
   Jim K.

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The Field Marshall is a true diesel, not a semi-diesel.

The compression ratio is about 16:1 according to a search I just did.  I can check my manuals at home to confirm that later.

George

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So if these engines are low-compression does that mean they are semi-diesels?
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From james.kangas at timken.com  Tue Aug 11 16:05:29 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:05:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
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Your right, I'm sorry. I did get confused.
   Jim K.

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Jim,

Peter was the one that used "low-compression" and "Marshall" in the same sentence. ;-)

Too often people get confused during some of these discussions as to what was posted by who.  When giving credit or blame be sure you get the right person.

George :-)

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When you said low-compression I was thinking much lower then 16:1,so I think you're right about it being a true diesel.
   Jim K.

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The Field Marshall is a true diesel, not a semi-diesel.

The compression ratio is about 16:1 according to a search I just did.  I can check my manuals at home to confirm that later.

George

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So if these engines are low-compression does that mean they are semi-diesels?
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From kosh at ncweb.com  Tue Aug 11 17:24:02 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:24:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
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The thread has wandered quite a bit, but I believe someone said
it has a compression release that un-releases as the flywheel turns,
via a spiral track on the flywheel.

...or was that a different engine?.

Dave Merchant


At 05:01 PM 8/11/2009, you wrote:
>When you said low-compression I was thinking much lower then 16:1,so I 
>think you're right about it being a true diesel.
>    Jim K.
>
>________________________________
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>Sent: Tue 8/11/2009 3:29 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
>
>
>
>The Field Marshall is a true diesel, not a semi-diesel.
>
>The compression ratio is about 16:1 according to a search I just did.  I 
>can check my manuals at home to confirm that later.
>
>George
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>So if these engines are low-compression does that mean they are semi-diesels?
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 22:57:18 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 06:57:18 +0100
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2009/8/12 Dave Merchant <kosh at ncweb.com>:
> The thread has wandered quite a bit, but I believe someone said
> it has a compression release that un-releases as the flywheel turns,
> via a spiral track on the flywheel.
>
> ...or was that a different engine?.
>
> Dave Merchant

That is the Field Marshall system. There is a spiral groove in the
flywheel rim that operates the decompressor.

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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Aug 12 02:24:32 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:24:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Crossley Engine
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Hi All
Can anyone please date this engine, is will have its first showing at Rusty Iron Rally this year and the owner wants to make a display plaque.

Regards
Peter, Oz



  Peter,
  Here is the information regarding the Crossley engine.

  ENGINE: Crossley Bros Type N.
  SERIAL No : 48896
  BORE : 6 5/8 inches
  STROKE : 15 inches
  FLYWHEEL :  Single - 4 feet 10 inches diameter
  IGNITION: Hot Tube
  GOVERNOR: Hit and miss. Vertical ball governor.
  The information sought is : Year of manufacture and horsepower rating.
  Any information you can get me would be greatly appreciated.
  Mackie

From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 12 04:01:05 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:01:05 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire
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A friend of mine had a barn fire a few days ago. If you look close at the photo you will see some large flywheels in there. Article is here

 

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2009/08/lightning_strikes_suspected_in.html



Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 



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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Aug 12 04:18:04 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:18:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] touch paper/now Field Marshall tractors
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090811190109.02021978@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090811190109.02021978@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <06d58ddb26a03c56b0ba3ef8e6b87423.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Cripes!  Can you imagine?  Buckshot flying out the exhaust stack with every rev!
That'd be even worse than Petter Spots!!  8-))

On Tue, August 11, 2009 1:32 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
>
>          One last point - shotgun cartridges - these are specially prepared
> "blanks" - do not try putting a "buckshot" shell in - the result could be
> disastrous :-)





From plb at iinet.net.au  Wed Aug 12 04:49:36 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:49:36 +0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20090811202128.0d146200@ncweb.com>
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The main flywheel on the right hand side had a coarse thread on the outside
edge.There was a steel wheel an inch or so in diameter that was connected to
a normal looking poppet valve down in the head via a wire cable. For crank
starting you sat the wheel in from the edge three threads.The idea was that
in 3 revolutions of the cranking handle you had enough momentum built up
that when the wheel dropped off the flywheel and closed the valve the engine
would get over the compression and fire.Now and again it would fire half
hearted and bounce off the next compression and start running backwards.For
cartridge starting the wheel was put in just one thread and there was a mark
on the flywheel to line up to ensure the piston was in the correct spot.
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Merchant
Sent: Wednesday, 12 August 2009 8:24 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper

The thread has wandered quite a bit, but I believe someone said
it has a compression release that un-releases as the flywheel turns,
via a spiral track on the flywheel.

...or was that a different engine?.

Dave Merchant


At 05:01 PM 8/11/2009, you wrote:
>When you said low-compression I was thinking much lower then 16:1,so I 
>think you're right about it being a true diesel.
>    Jim K.
>
>________________________________
>
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Best, George
>Sent: Tue 8/11/2009 3:29 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
>
>
>
>The Field Marshall is a true diesel, not a semi-diesel.
>
>The compression ratio is about 16:1 according to a search I just did.  I 
>can check my manuals at home to confirm that later.
>
>George
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kangas, James
G.
>Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:53 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
>
>So if these engines are low-compression does that mean they are
semi-diesels?
>   Jim K.
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Aug 12 05:29:40 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:29:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire
In-Reply-To: <SNT118-W66CA61AA8C44D9F12A3C9C8040@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT118-W66CA61AA8C44D9F12A3C9C8040@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <414e5a248d50f778a4569f80de4746cf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Bummer...  At least folks have restored engines that have been through a fire.

On Wed, August 12, 2009 7:01 am, Luke Tonneberger wrote:
>
> A friend of mine had a barn fire a few days ago. If you look close at the photo you
> will see some large flywheels in there. Article is here
> http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2009/08/lightning_strikes_suspected_in.html
>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Aug 12 05:33:39 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:33:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
In-Reply-To: <014c01ca1b42$f7b646f0$e722d4d0$@net.au>
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<9BFBB4F4D5A04DB7960823C6AB0C4CDA@ecsserverwebs>
	<081020091521.23995.4A803B15000B486400005DBB223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com>
	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC060F5@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<6f6025160908110100h8f0ef0ak3411205cec385e72@mail.gmail.com>
	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06100@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A6CF9C7C3@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20090811202128.0d146200@ncweb.com>
	<014c01ca1b42$f7b646f0$e722d4d0$@net.au>
Message-ID: <24e6e004b19e75e87f000d5c822cb45e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Ray,

I vividly remember a bloke at the Lister-Petter rally who was cranking one of these.
 He watched the progression of that cog along the spiral track VERY carefully and
made DAMN sure the crank came out before the end of the spiral was reached.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, August 12, 2009 7:49 am, Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring wrote:
> The main flywheel on the right hand side had a coarse thread on the outside
> edge.There was a steel wheel an inch or so in diameter that was connected to
> a normal looking poppet valve down in the head via a wire cable. For crank
> starting you sat the wheel in from the edge three threads.The idea was that
> in 3 revolutions of the cranking handle you had enough momentum built up
> that when the wheel dropped off the flywheel and closed the valve the engine
> would get over the compression and fire.Now and again it would fire half
> hearted and bounce off the next compression and start running backwards.For
> cartridge starting the wheel was put in just one thread and there was a mark
> on the flywheel to line up to ensure the piston was in the correct spot.
> Ray Freeman





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Aug 12 05:42:17 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:42:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
In-Reply-To: <4A811AC7.20206@steamengine.com.au>
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><9BFBB4F4D5A04DB7960823C6AB0C4CDA@ecsserverwebs>
	<081020091521.23995.4A803B15000B486400005DBB223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com>
	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC060F5@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<4A808217.5030103@accima.com> <4A811AC7.20206@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <2521629b29d4a1f1e0b1dbcc991f4487.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Paul,

Gee, lemmie think a minute here...
If "Suck - Squeeze - Bang - Blow" is a four-cycle engine description, are you
describing a three-cycle engine here?  Please elaborate...  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, August 11, 2009 3:16 am, Paul Pavlinovich wrote:
> To steal some words from (I think) Dave Rotigel... it all comes down to
> Suck, Bang, Blow, Suck, Bang, Blow, Suck, Bang, Blow, Suck, Bang,
> Blow.... etc.





From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 12 05:45:36 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:45:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire
In-Reply-To: <SNT118-W66CA61AA8C44D9F12A3C9C8040@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT118-W66CA61AA8C44D9F12A3C9C8040@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W21F934E46794BA029ED14C2040@phx.gbl>


I hate to see pictures like that of engines being burnt up in a barn fire.  That's one reason why I'm having an all steel building built to put my engines in so I don't have to worry about the building going up in flames.

 

Tom Winland

Ohio

http://gasenginetom.com/

 

 
> From: flywheelin at hotmail.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:01:05 +0000
> CC: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire
> 
> 
> A friend of mine had a barn fire a few days ago. If you look close at the photo you will see some large flywheels in there. Article is here
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2009/08/lightning_strikes_suspected_in.html
> 
> 
> 
> Luke Tonneberger
> 
> Rockford, Michigan
> 
> USA 
> 
> 
> 
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Aug 12 06:42:12 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 06:42:12 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Crossley Engine
In-Reply-To: <90C5F662F2EB40AFA291CBD79773CA45@peterlowe>
References: <1CBB035697E04F2F935B7505B201195F@robynt10y9gth2>
	<90C5F662F2EB40AFA291CBD79773CA45@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <11A9C139-449A-4B73-86B7-3B08A871178A@rustyiron.com>

Probably 1904, maybe 1905.  Slip Geoff Challinor twenty quid, and  
he'll look it up.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:24 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Hi All
> Can anyone please date this engine, is will have its first showing  
> at Rusty Iron Rally this year and the owner wants to make a display  
> plaque.
>
> Regards
> Peter, Oz
>
>
>
>  Peter,
>  Here is the information regarding the Crossley engine.
>
>  ENGINE: Crossley Bros Type N.
>  SERIAL No : 48896
>  BORE : 6 5/8 inches
>  STROKE : 15 inches
>  FLYWHEEL :  Single - 4 feet 10 inches diameter
>  IGNITION: Hot Tube
>  GOVERNOR: Hit and miss. Vertical ball governor.
>  The information sought is : Year of manufacture and horsepower  
> rating.
>  Any information you can get me would be greatly appreciated.
>  Mackie
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Aug 12 07:49:03 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:49:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire
In-Reply-To: <414e5a248d50f778a4569f80de4746cf.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <SNT118-W66CA61AA8C44D9F12A3C9C8040@phx.gbl>
	<414e5a248d50f778a4569f80de4746cf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20090812144854.DF97D84A2@smtp.wcoil.com>

If the firemans hose we see in the picture hit that cast iron while 
hot its all over but the scrap yard or yard ornament. Once a building 
is engulfed the best for the contents made of cast iron is to let the 
fire go if practicable, protect the surroundings but let the fire 
burn out. This way the cast cools slowly with the dying fire and has 
a better chance of being salvageable.  Not saying it will be 
salvageable just that the chances are better. Beside letting the fire 
run its course makes clean up easier.
  Restoration of a more common tractor or engine may not be 
practicable but there may be parts that can be salvaged.
My regrets to the owner.                 Mark

At 08:29 AM 8/12/2009, you wrote:
>Bummer...  At least folks have restored engines that have been through a fire.
>
>On Wed, August 12, 2009 7:01 am, Luke Tonneberger wrote:


Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Aug 12 08:42:17 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:42:17 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire
Message-ID: <cd9.58193a91.37b43cd9@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 8/12/2009 7:07:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
flywheelin at hotmail.com writes:

If you  look close at the photo you will see some large flywheels in  there


That is a terrible loss!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 09:18:28 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:18:28 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010
Message-ID: <6f6025160908120918g39f21bc3sd2c5a4844cc87ca8@mail.gmail.com>

We have received from Anton van der Cruijsen some of the advertising
flyers for next year's show.

The dates are the 23rd and 24th May 2010,

Location:

Landgoed Gulbergen,
Schoutse Vennen 15,
5674 TK Nuenen.

We will be booking the ferry in October, hope to see a few more of the
'regulars' over there.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From plb at iinet.net.au  Wed Aug 12 17:02:39 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:02:39 +0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
In-Reply-To: <24e6e004b19e75e87f000d5c822cb45e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>	<9BFBB4F4D5A04DB7960823C6AB0C4CDA@ecsserverwebs>	<081020091521.23995.4A803B15000B486400005DBB223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com>	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC060F5@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>	<6f6025160908110100h8f0ef0ak3411205cec385e72@mail.gmail.com>	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06100@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A6CF9C7C3@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>	<5.2.0.9.0.20090811202128.0d146200@ncweb.com>	<014c01ca1b42$f7b646f0$e722d4d0$@net.au>
	<24e6e004b19e75e87f000d5c822cb45e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001b01ca1ba9$5f7497e0$1e5dc7a0$@net.au>

Arnie,I think thats the way to get bitten.The old bloke whom I got mine off
sold them new and went through it with me.We stood either side of this 4
foot long handle and he put some muscle into it and me being nervous held
back a bit so's I could jump out of the way when it got stuck. I got a
bollocking anyway and he told me to put everything into it and get it over
that compression and the handle will do the right thing.So I learned the
lesson and never had a handle stick. If they did it would be a fearsome
weapon spinning in there at 5 or 6 hundred revs.
Starting the Lanz tractors was a lot less strenuous and safer.Just grab hold
of the flywheel and rock it between compressions and away it goes nice and
gentle.
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Wednesday, 12 August 2009 8:34 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper

Hi Ray,

I vividly remember a bloke at the Lister-Petter rally who was cranking one
of these.
 He watched the progression of that cog along the spiral track VERY
carefully and
made DAMN sure the crank came out before the end of the spiral was reached.
8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, August 12, 2009 7:49 am, Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring wrote:
> The main flywheel on the right hand side had a coarse thread on the
outside
> edge.There was a steel wheel an inch or so in diameter that was connected
to
> a normal looking poppet valve down in the head via a wire cable. For crank
> starting you sat the wheel in from the edge three threads.The idea was
that
> in 3 revolutions of the cranking handle you had enough momentum built up
> that when the wheel dropped off the flywheel and closed the valve the
engine
> would get over the compression and fire.Now and again it would fire half
> hearted and bounce off the next compression and start running
backwards.For
> cartridge starting the wheel was put in just one thread and there was a
mark
> on the flywheel to line up to ensure the piston was in the correct spot.
> Ray Freeman



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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Aug 12 17:26:54 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:26:54 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Frost King Jr engine help needed
Message-ID: <081320090026.4453.4A835DCE000D6B7B00001165223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi Guys,
Could use some help on the proper paint color for a 2hp Frost King Jr engine that is being restored
and ready to paint.
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree


From mickc782 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 12 23:43:18 2009
From: mickc782 at hotmail.com (michael christie)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:13:18 +1030
Subject: [SEL] petrol hornsby for sale
Message-ID: <BLU129-W18F42E878E69D7F3FCA9989D050@phx.gbl>


g'day all

guess this is more for the aussies, i have a 4 h.p, sideshaft richard hornsby petrol engine for sale. it is low tension ignition and has a small horizontal flyball govenor. unrestored condition but mostly complete, turns over. if anyone is interested you can contact me off list at mickc782 at hotmail.com

    cheers

        mick

 

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From ilifa at internode.on.net  Thu Aug 13 18:36:48 2009
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:36:48 +1000
Subject: [SEL] touch paper/now Field Marshall tractors
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A6CF5A4C7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <mailman.1.1250006402.18254.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com >
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090811190109.02021978@mail.atech.co.za>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A6CF5A4C7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <6533C1F7-9702-4BC0-B14F-F2BED7D1FB10@internode.on.net>

As there has been a fair bit of interest in the Marshall, I thought a  
couple of extra details would be of interest.

These tractors were not really a new design in 1945, they were little  
more than a styled version of the M, which goes back to about the mid  
30's.

Not all Series 1 and 2 tractors had a low top gear. Either 6 or 9 mph  
were optional.

The series 3 engine ran in the opposite direction to the Series 2  
because it used the Fowler Marshall transmission which had a different  
gear train. The 6 speed gearbox now had a 12 mph top gear.

After inserting the priming paper holder in the cylinder head, be sure  
to either screw it in or stand away from it when firing the cartridge.  
I have heard of a man standing in front of a tractor that blew the  
paper holder into his reproductive area with disastrous results.

Eric


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Fri Aug 14 03:44:16 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:44:16 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Express still needed
Message-ID: <081420091044.16431.4A854000000462270000402F223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi Guys,
Wondering if anyone in around Harvard, MA might be traveling west in the next few days or before October that could haul a 5hp engine for me?  Be happy ro reimburse for gas expenses.
Curt Andree


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Aug 14 12:25:53 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:25:53 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Another manual added/web page text size!
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090814192610.00bd9da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Thanks to Steve Richardson of the UK who scanned this manual, I 
have been able to add another manual to my download page:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/index.htm>

         It is for the Coborn C3 and C6 aircooled engine. Steve kindly 
scanned a manual that he has and I recompiled the pages into a .pdf 
document (2.8 Mbytes).

         Thanks also to Peter Forbes for finding me Steve's email address.

         The .pdf contains my usual addition to each page that it is a free 
download and is "Not for Sale".  :-)

         I've also increased text sizes on the page (explained on the page) 
and would appreciate any feedback in this regard. When I started writing my 
pages "640 x 480" was the norm and I've been writing for that size (O.K. I 
did upgrade to 800 x 600) ever since but now with bigger, higher resolution 
monitors my pages seem to have "tiny" text.
         Please let me have your comments. (I can handle critiscm) so 
please be honest.

         (A note for those who "do not know" - good web browser's allow you 
to specify text sizes but, you can also use the "Increase text size" 
command (cntrl+ or cntrl-) keystrokes in good browsers  - I have no idea 
what "Microsoft" uses for this command ! ( I only mentioned "good" browsers.)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From rotigel at me.com  Fri Aug 14 15:49:54 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:49:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction
In-Reply-To: <6533C1F7-9702-4BC0-B14F-F2BED7D1FB10@internode.on.net>
References: <mailman.1.1250006402.18254.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090811190109.02021978@mail.atech.co.za>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A6CF5A4C7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<6533C1F7-9702-4BC0-B14F-F2BED7D1FB10@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <78FAC8E9-79A9-4E8D-9521-364DDDFF56BF@me.com>

Hi All,
	Just a reminder about the ATIS dinner and charity auction at 6:00 on  
August 27 at the Back 40 Junction in Decatur. We have about 23 people  
who have notified me that they will attend the event thus far. I would  
like to provide an approximate "head count" to the Back 40 by early  
next week, so if you know you will be attending, but have not already  
let me know, I would appreciate hearing from you before then. If you  
decide to join us at the last minute that's OK as well! Be sure, also,  
to bring something to donate to the charity auction!
	Dave
PS, You can contact me directly at: rotigel at me.com


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 14 16:36:14 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:36:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  Buckley Show
In-Reply-To: <554529.79331.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <410722.10092.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hi folks Steve Barr and I are having fun at Buckley
Here are just a couple pictures from today
Steve is cracking the corn after it comes out of my sheller.

http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Buckley%202009/

It was my turn to come home to feed the dog and our two cats.

Alan in Michigan




From alkamminga at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 14 16:44:25 2009
From: alkamminga at hotmail.com (Al Kamminga)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:44:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  Buckley Show
In-Reply-To: <410722.10092.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <554529.79331.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<410722.10092.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W12E152214A81A2D09D465C9020@phx.gbl>


Nice pictures. Set up by windmill. You must own that spot. Wish I was there with the braiding machines. Ho to all.
 
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:36:14 -0700
> From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Buckley Show
> 
> 
> Hi folks Steve Barr and I are having fun at Buckley
> Here are just a couple pictures from today
> Steve is cracking the corn after it comes out of my sheller.
> 
> http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Buckley%202009/
> 
> It was my turn to come home to feed the dog and our two cats.
> 
> Alan in Michigan
> 
> 
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 14 17:30:29 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:30:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  Buckley Show
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W12E152214A81A2D09D465C9020@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <184038.44486.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yup Al,,
That spot is all mine.
As a member of the club I can setup two days before any non-member can.
The whole block is family other than Steve and he is SEL family. 8>))
I wish you were there also.
Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Al Kamminga <alkamminga at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Al Kamminga <alkamminga at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re:  Buckley Show
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 7:44 PM
> 
> Nice pictures. Set up by windmill. You must own that spot.
> Wish I was there with the braiding machines. Ho to all.
>  
> > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:36:14 -0700
> > From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Buckley Show
> > 
> > 
> > Hi folks Steve Barr and I are having fun at Buckley
> > Here are just a couple pictures from today
> > Steve is cracking the corn after it comes out of my
> sheller.
> > 
> > http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Buckley%202009/
> > 
> > It was my turn to come home to feed the dog and our
> two cats.
> > 
> > Alan in Michigan
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> 
> _________________________________________________________________
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Aug 15 04:45:18 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:45:18 +0000
Subject: [SEL] FW:  Old Iron Express still needed
Message-ID: <081520091145.6987.4A869FCE00058CD300001B4B223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>


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From: cgandree at mchsi.com 
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL Lists) 
Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Express still needed 
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:49:08 +0000 


Hi Guys, Wondering if anyone in around Harvard, MA might be traveling west in the next few days or before October that could haul a 5hp engine for me? Be happy ro 
reimburse for gas expenses. 
Curt Andree 
_______________________________________________ 
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Aug 15 11:27:37 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:27:37 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction
In-Reply-To: <78FAC8E9-79A9-4E8D-9521-364DDDFF56BF@me.com>
References: <mailman.1.1250006402.18254.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090811190109.02021978@mail.atech.co.za>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A6CF5A4C7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<6533C1F7-9702-4BC0-B14F-F2BED7D1FB10@internode.on.net>
	<78FAC8E9-79A9-4E8D-9521-364DDDFF56BF@me.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160908151127w57618de7l750bd58de31c0d0b@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/14 David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>:
> Hi All,
> ? ? ? ?Just a reminder about the ATIS dinner and charity auction at 6:00 on
> August 27 at the Back 40 Junction in Decatur. We have about 23 people
> who have notified me that they will attend the event thus far. I would
> like to provide an approximate "head count" to the Back 40 by early
> next week, so if you know you will be attending, but have not already
> let me know, I would appreciate hearing from you before then. If you
> decide to join us at the last minute that's OK as well! Be sure, also,
> to bring something to donate to the charity auction!
> ? ? ? ?Dave
> PS, You can contact me directly at: rotigel at me.com

Dave:

As you know, we won't be able to be with you all this year, but do you
still have that King Dick spanner that I left with you for the
auction?

Hope to be able to make out regular appearance next year, enjoy the show!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From rotigel at me.com  Sat Aug 15 12:55:43 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:55:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160908151127w57618de7l750bd58de31c0d0b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1250006402.18254.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090811190109.02021978@mail.atech.co.za>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A6CF5A4C7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<6533C1F7-9702-4BC0-B14F-F2BED7D1FB10@internode.on.net>
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	<6f6025160908151127w57618de7l750bd58de31c0d0b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F3463E72-9266-4107-9A02-04B109956B95@me.com>

> Dave:
>
> As you know, we won't be able to be with you all this year, but do you
> still have that King Dick ... that I left with you for the
> auction?
>
> Hope to be able to make out regular appearance next year, enjoy the  
> show!
>
> Peter

Hi Peter,
	Your King Dick has been sitting just to the left of my 'puter since I  
returned from Portland last year. It is currently in the truck as I  
have started to load for Baraboo/Portland. Your bride has e-mailed me  
several times over the past year in order to be sure that I was taking  
good care of your King Dick. In case you have forgotten your King Dick  
is 5/8 W-11/16 BS by 3/4W-7/8 BS--and a really GOOD LOOKING KING DICK  
it is! You should be a proud man, even though you are now separated  
from it! It's LONG (12 5/8") length simply enhances beauty of it's  
nearly 2 1/2" breath. It's no wonder that your lovely wife was so  
concerned about it!
	Dave
PS, We will miss the two of you my friend! (Your bride more than you-- 
but what the hell!)



From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Sat Aug 15 22:37:47 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Domeney Brothers)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:37:47 +1000
Subject: [SEL] BSA 420cc Engine
Message-ID: <25C4503F5F7647BC9EADAF5CF5E6BE7E@shed>

Hey there all out there in engine (and tractor) land,

Can anyone advise me of the bore diameter of the BSA 420cc industrial (not motorbike) engine, please? 

Were there two models? I see some websites mention two, but they do not specify the difference.

As always, all and any assistance will be gratefully received and appreciated.

Teddee.

From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Aug 16 01:29:55 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 04:29:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Blast Cabinet
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090814192610.00bd9da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090814192610.00bd9da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <20090816082955.2182B8DCE@smtp.wcoil.com>

If anyone needs it theres a dandy little blast cabinet selling cheap 
on Ebay. Econoline Brand  Item number: 320411171983  I own and use 
one just like it every day. This is an American made unit. And the 
company is still in business to service it if parts are needed. But 
they rarely need anything other then sand and lenses.    Mark





From marinesurveys at msn.com  Sun Aug 16 01:54:27 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 04:54:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Blast Cabinet
In-Reply-To: <20090816082955.2182B8DCE@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090814192610.00bd9da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20090816082955.2182B8DCE@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W257E1D8F31D66787113B0CB4000@phx.gbl>


Mark;

Thats a dandy blast machine, seller doesn't give the size, plus

it's way to far from NC for me to go & get it.

Thanks for posting it.

 

                  B, Rgds

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 04:29:55 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> From: frappi at wcoil.com
> Subject: [SEL] Blast Cabinet
> 
> If anyone needs it theres a dandy little blast cabinet selling cheap 
> on Ebay. Econoline Brand Item number: 320411171983 I own and use 
> one just like it every day. This is an American made unit. And the 
> company is still in business to service it if parts are needed. But 
> they rarely need anything other then sand and lenses. Mark
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Aug 16 02:09:55 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:09:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Blast Cabinet
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090814192610.00bd9da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20090816082955.2182B8DCE@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <A7C1620152E7485583523C1813AD0A3C@peterlowe>

I bought one like this
Ebay  370242517669
Comes as flat pack, best to silicon seal every joint, then they a dust leak 
proof. Works well.

Peter


> If anyone needs it theres a dandy little blast cabinet selling cheap
> on Ebay. Econoline Brand  Item number: 320411171983  I own and use
> one just like it every day. This is an American made unit. And the
> company is still in business to service it if parts are needed. But
> they rarely need anything other then sand and lenses.    Mark
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 02:10:43 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:10:43 +0100
Subject: [SEL] BSA 420cc Engine
In-Reply-To: <25C4503F5F7647BC9EADAF5CF5E6BE7E@shed>
References: <25C4503F5F7647BC9EADAF5CF5E6BE7E@shed>
Message-ID: <6f6025160908160210m2e53b624hd3b62da79d5a23cd@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/16 Domeney Brothers <dombros2 at clearmail.com.au>:
> Hey there all out there in engine (and tractor) land,
>
> Can anyone advise me of the bore diameter of the BSA 420cc industrial (not motorbike) engine, please?
>
> Were there two models? I see some websites mention two, but they do not specify the difference.
>
> As always, all and any assistance will be gratefully received and appreciated.
>
> Teddee.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

There are 2 models, the Model 'E; and Model 'G'.

Both have 82mm bore, one has a different compression height on the
piston so there are two piston types.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Aug 16 07:09:21 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:09:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Blast Cabinet
In-Reply-To: <A7C1620152E7485583523C1813AD0A3C@peterlowe>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090814192610.00bd9da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20090816082955.2182B8DCE@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<A7C1620152E7485583523C1813AD0A3C@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <20090816140920.1BBA08E1A@smtp.wcoil.com>

Yah I am intimately familiar with that red one. Friend of mine has 
one exactly like it, I helped him assemble it. In this area they 
carry the name branding of Clarke, they are an import. There were no 
used Econoline units available at the time close and he was in his 
usual hurry so he got one of the Clarke units. Had all kinds of 
little problems with it. He's had it for 4 years and he is still not 
happy with it, But he has it.    Mark



At 05:09 AM 8/16/2009, you wrote:
>I bought one like this
>Ebay  370242517669
>Comes as flat pack, best to silicon seal every joint, then they a dust leak
>proof. Works well.
>
>Peter
>
>
> > If anyone needs it theres a dandy little blast cabinet selling cheap
> > on Ebay. Econoline Brand  Item number: 320411171983  I own and use
> > one just like it every day. This is an American made unit. And the
> > company is still in business to service it if parts are needed. But
> > they rarely need anything other then sand and lenses.    Mark
> >


Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Aug 16 10:15:37 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:15:37 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  BSA 420cc Engine
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1250438402.8352.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090816185615.00bcf9a8@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 16/08/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:37:47 +1000
>From: "Domeney Brothers" <dombros2 at clearmail.com.au>
>Subject: [SEL] BSA 420cc Engine
>
>Hey there all out there in engine (and tractor) land,
>Can anyone advise me of the bore diameter of the BSA 420cc industrial (not 
>motorbike) engine, please?
>Were there two models? I see some websites mention two, but they do not 
>specify the difference.
>As always, all and any assistance will be gratefully received and appreciated.
>Teddee.

Hi Tedee,
         There is a manual available on Paul Evans's site:
<www.internalfire.com>
         for a small donation that goes to a good cause.
         It is described as a "BSA Portable Industrial Engine" and the 
manual describes a 320cc engine - I see no reference to a 420cc engine but 
Peter has a lot more knowledge of these things than I do.
         Peter, could a different shape piston account for 100cc on this 
size bore?

         Tedee a friend of mine has a beautifully restored one here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/gb/bsa.jpg>
         He has mounted it on a raised stand - the engine is mounted on 
this stand on a single vertical shaft supported on a roller bearing. The 
result is that the whole engine rotates slowly on this axis as it is 
running. It looks like one of those adverts where the camera rotates around 
the subject. A bit hard to describe in a few words but it does attract a 
lot of attention from spectators at a show.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Sun Aug 16 13:06:09 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 06:06:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] BSA 420cc Engine
Message-ID: <2204C9780CBF4ED6AE3C70A9EC743C48@HOUSE>

Thank you Peter, that info is very helpful.

Last time I spoke (emailed) with you you were renovating the house. Mess and disruption was the order of the day. All done?

Best regards
Teddee

From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Aug 16 16:31:37 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:31:37 +0800
Subject: [SEL] BSA 420cc Engine
References: <2204C9780CBF4ED6AE3C70A9EC743C48@HOUSE>
Message-ID: <9DCE85FBA6AC4E39A3AA38D99C8FA6C1@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Ted.......for the bargain price of 2/6 I can let you have an original'' 
Instruction Manual and Spares List for BSA Portable industrial  Engines ''
As Jerry says it refers to the 320cc engine but I am sure it will be 
relevant unless the 420 cc you referto was vastly different
Lets know if you want it and I will  post it across the sea to you.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ted & Sue Domeney" <dombros2 at clearmail.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:06 AM
Subject: [SEL] BSA 420cc Engine


> Thank you Peter, that info is very helpful.
>
> Last time I spoke (emailed) with you you were renovating the house. Mess 
> and disruption was the order of the day. All done?
>
> Best regards
> Teddee
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Sun Aug 16 19:31:31 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:31:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Buckley Show
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W12E152214A81A2D09D465C9020@phx.gbl>
References: <554529.79331.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<410722.10092.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT111-W12E152214A81A2D09D465C9020@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <86435B39-36C8-4154-9C30-149D3C260812@rustyiron.com>

Hi, Al.  One of these days we'll have to chat about braiding  
machines.  Kelley and I now have one sitting in the garage.  It's a  
bigun, 32 bobbins, I believe.  We don't know much about the  
contraptions, and have only turned it over by hand.  If you know of  
someone with a spare bobbin winder it could save us a lot of lathe-time.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Aug 14, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Al Kamminga wrote:

> Nice pictures. Set up by windmill. You must own that spot. Wish I  
> was there with the braiding machines. Ho to all.



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 22:53:15 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 06:53:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] BSA 420cc Engine
In-Reply-To: <2204C9780CBF4ED6AE3C70A9EC743C48@HOUSE>
References: <2204C9780CBF4ED6AE3C70A9EC743C48@HOUSE>
Message-ID: <6f6025160908162253y202b4612pa9590b069aaf520d@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/16 Ted & Sue Domeney <dombros2 at clearmail.com.au>:
> Thank you Peter, that info is very helpful.
>
> Last time I spoke (emailed) with you you were renovating the house. Mess and disruption was the order of the day. All done?
>
> Best regards
> Teddee

Yes thanks, it was finished in February, at least the rebuild of the
second floor and roof was, we just have the interior to do now :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 22:58:54 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 06:58:54 +0100
Subject: [SEL] BSA 420cc Engine
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090816185615.00bcf9a8@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <mailman.3.1250438402.8352.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090816185615.00bcf9a8@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <6f6025160908162258l7c501197ieaf79a4b699392eb@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/16 Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>:
> At 06:00 PM 16/08/2009, you wrote:
> I see no reference to a 420cc engine but
> Peter has a lot more knowledge of these things than I do.
> Peter, could a different shape piston account for 100cc on this
> size bore?
> Jerry Evans

I was using the Hepolite Piston & Ring catalogue, it lists:

120cc 56mm bore, flat topped piston
220cc 68mm bore, flat topped piston
320cc 76.199mm bore, flat topped piston
420cc 82mm bore, slightly concave piston
420cc 82mm bore, concave piston

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Aug 17 04:53:02 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:53:02 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Buckley Show
In-Reply-To: <86435B39-36C8-4154-9C30-149D3C260812@rustyiron.com>
References: <554529.79331.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><410722.10092.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com><SNT111-W12E152214A81A2D09D465C9020@phx.gbl>
	<86435B39-36C8-4154-9C30-149D3C260812@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <081720091153.19883.4A89449D000F038D00004DAB223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Rob & Kelly,
Hurry up and come to Baraboo this week as well as the Freeport Show in September.........there is a guy who displays those machines every year and seems to be very knowledgeable!
Curt
-------------- Original message from Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com>: -------------- 


> Hi, Al. One of these days we'll have to chat about braiding 
> machines. Kelley and I now have one sitting in the garage. It's a 
> bigun, 32 bobbins, I believe. We don't know much about the 
> contraptions, and have only turned it over by hand. If you know of 
> someone with a spare bobbin winder it could save us a lot of lathe-time. 
> 
> 
> Rob Skinner 
> Antique Stationary Engines 
> La Habra, California 
> 
> rob at rustyiron.com 
> www.rustyiron.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 14, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Al Kamminga wrote: 
> 
> > Nice pictures. Set up by windmill. You must own that spot. Wish I 
> > was there with the braiding machines. Ho to all. 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> SEL mailing list 
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Aug 17 08:58:14 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:58:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Buckley Show
In-Reply-To: <86435B39-36C8-4154-9C30-149D3C260812@rustyiron.com>
References: <554529.79331.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<410722.10092.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT111-W12E152214A81A2D09D465C9020@phx.gbl>
	<86435B39-36C8-4154-9C30-149D3C260812@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <7c382a38e76010a97a4153a690f2a3c6.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

32 bobbins???  Man Rob, you could make some serious Argyle sox with that puppy!

On Sun, August 16, 2009 10:31 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
> Hi, Al.  One of these days we'll have to chat about braiding
> machines.  Kelley and I now have one sitting in the garage.  It's a
> bigun, 32 bobbins, I believe.  We don't know much about the
> contraptions, and have only turned it over by hand.  If you know of
> someone with a spare bobbin winder it could save us a lot of lathe-time.





From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Aug 17 10:57:41 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:57:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Buckley Show
In-Reply-To: <081720091153.19883.4A89449D000F038D00004DAB223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <554529.79331.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><410722.10092.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com><SNT111-W12E152214A81A2D09D465C9020@phx.gbl>
	<86435B39-36C8-4154-9C30-149D3C260812@rustyiron.com>
	<081720091153.19883.4A89449D000F038D00004DAB223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <66C153FD-97F9-4F93-BDBD-F805EF9C8A53@rustyiron.com>

We talked seriously about going to Freeport, but September isn't far  
off...

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Aug 17, 2009, at 4:53 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Rob & Kelly,
> Hurry up and come to Baraboo this week as well as the Freeport Show  
> in September.........there is a guy who displays those machines  
> every year and seems to be very knowledgeable!
> Curt


From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Mon Aug 17 12:52:40 2009
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:52:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Video of Holt tractor
Message-ID: <F26C278F-BE0E-423A-AF14-311E5868CBA9@rustyiron.com>

Finally got around to editing my video of Don Hunter's one-of-a-kind  
Holt tractor.  You can view it on You Tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMuDSLYNw4w 
  or, for better video, go to http://gallery.me.com/kelleygarcia

Don built this tractor from SCRATCH!  He had some factory drawings and  
some pictures - that's it.  His craftsmanship is amazing....

********
Kelley Garcia







From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Aug 17 14:57:45 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:57:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Video of Holt tractor
In-Reply-To: <F26C278F-BE0E-423A-AF14-311E5868CBA9@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEMFIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Kelly:

WOW!  What a project!  Your video is good, too.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Kelley
> Garcia
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 02:53 PM
> To: SEL discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Video of Holt tractor
> 
> 
> Finally got around to editing my video of Don 
> Hunter's one-of-a-kind  
> Holt tractor.  You can view it on You Tube 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMuDSLYNw4w 
>   or, for better video, go to 
> http://gallery.me.com/kelleygarcia
> 
> Don built this tractor from SCRATCH!  He had some 
> factory drawings and  
> some pictures - that's it.  His craftsmanship is 
> amazing....
> 
> ********
> Kelley Garcia




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Aug 17 14:42:22 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:42:22 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me - the saga ends :-)
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090817224433.028d4e58@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi all you wonderful people out there in "old engine land",
         Thanks to all those who "held thumbs" or "crossed fingers" for me 
- The Lister CS 5/1 is now safely parked (albeit still on a trailer) in my 
yard. Another one (actually three - read further) saved from the "scrappie"!
         After a "nail biting", "blood sweating", "extremely anxious" 3 
weeks I received a phone call at 5:45 am this morning that I could come and 
load the engine(s).
         As per my previous mails on the subject, I was after 2 Lister CS 
5/1 engines. Well there have been a lot of phone calls in these last two 
weeks and this morning's call was the culmination of everything. They were 
mine and I could go and load them.
         The "lot" consisted of two 1953 Lister CS diesels and an aircooled 
3 cylinder - 33 HP @ 1800 Lister diesel of similar vintage. I was not 
particularly interested in the 3 Cyl. engine ( I think it is a type HA3 but 
not totally sure, as I mentioned - not my interest).
         I had previously contacted a friend who is probably South Africa's 
most knowledgeable "Lister" expert and he wanted the 3 cyl. engine - BUT he 
also needed a radiator cooled 5/1 to complete his collection. He asked so 
nicely that I had to agree to letting him buy one of the 5/1's - so I will 
only have one of them in my collection but that's O.K. - at least they have 
both been saved. Isn't that what it's all about??

         I've put a few pictures here for those who would like to look:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/index.htm>

P.S. For those who do not know - the Lister 5/1 and the Lister 6/1 is the 
same engine. The engine produces (5 HP at 600 RPM) or (6 HP at 650 RPM). 
According to David Edgington it was a "marketing ploy". They were 
originally marketed as 5/1's and later as 6/1's. Same engine!!

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Aug 17 15:26:08 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:26:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Video of Holt tractor
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEMFIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEMFIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <0feca2606d8ac8b509fe6297ec5e5646.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Clearly all due to her Mac prowess...  8-))

On Mon, August 17, 2009 5:57 pm, Elden DuRand wrote:
>
> Your video is good, too.





From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Aug 17 15:31:21 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:31:21 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me - the saga ends :-)
Message-ID: <cb7.578deb8a.37bb3439@aol.com>

Jerry,
 
Nice load of old iron saved again!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Aug 17 15:56:17 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:56:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me - the saga ends :-)
Message-ID: <20090817.155811.19150.8175@mailpop10.vgs.untd.com>

Way to go Jerry.  Always good to get them home.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Mon Aug 17 16:01:19 2009
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:01:19 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Video of Holt tractor
In-Reply-To: <0feca2606d8ac8b509fe6297ec5e5646.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEMFIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<0feca2606d8ac8b509fe6297ec5e5646.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <CD0840FB-3128-4721-AFE0-7A2ADBBCF46B@rustyiron.com>

damn straight!  free software comes on the machine and makes putting  
video together a snap.  Only thing required is good videography (I'm  
still honing my skills in that department)

********
Kelley Garcia





On Aug 17, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Clearly all due to her Mac prowess...  8-))
>
> On Mon, August 17, 2009 5:57 pm, Elden DuRand wrote:
>>
>> Your video is good, too.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 17 17:56:27 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:56:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Video of Holt tractor
In-Reply-To: <F26C278F-BE0E-423A-AF14-311E5868CBA9@rustyiron.com>
References: <F26C278F-BE0E-423A-AF14-311E5868CBA9@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W1854783A45DC3293AE482895FF0@phx.gbl>


I've been following the tractor so it was great to get the video. Fantastic job on the Video, I felt like I was riding along. Steve
 
> From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:52:40 -0700
> Subject: [SEL] Video of Holt tractor
> 
> Finally got around to editing my video of Don Hunter's one-of-a-kind 
> Holt tractor. You can view it on You Tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMuDSLYNw4w 
> or, for better video, go to http://gallery.me.com/kelleygarcia
> 
> Don built this tractor from SCRATCH! He had some factory drawings and 
> some pictures - that's it. His craftsmanship is amazing....
> 
> ********
> Kelley Garcia
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Mon Aug 17 19:36:37 2009
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:36:37 +1000
Subject: [SEL] BSA 420cc Engine
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160908162258l7c501197ieaf79a4b699392eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003a01ca1fac$b5a49aa0$0201010a@JBCooper>


Hi Peter,
Piston shape has no bearing on cubic capacity. Volume is calculated bore
radius squared X Pi X stroke.
John Cooper,
Bega Australia.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel
Sent: Monday, 17 August 2009 3:59 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] BSA 420cc Engine


2009/8/16 Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>:
> At 06:00 PM 16/08/2009, you wrote:
> I see no reference to a 420cc engine but
> Peter has a lot more knowledge of these things than I do. Peter, could 
> a different shape piston account for 100cc on this size bore?
> Jerry Evans

I was using the Hepolite Piston & Ring catalogue, it lists:

120cc 56mm bore, flat topped piston
220cc 68mm bore, flat topped piston
320cc 76.199mm bore, flat topped piston
420cc 82mm bore, slightly concave piston
420cc 82mm bore, concave piston

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 04:02:44 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:02:44 +0100
Subject: [SEL] BSA 420cc Engine
In-Reply-To: <003a01ca1fac$b5a49aa0$0201010a@JBCooper>
References: <6f6025160908162258l7c501197ieaf79a4b699392eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<003a01ca1fac$b5a49aa0$0201010a@JBCooper>
Message-ID: <6f6025160908180402m530498ffl3f0cd2fe079ce975@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/18 John & Beryl Cooper <cooperjb at aapt.net.au>:
>
> Hi Peter,
> Piston shape has no bearing on cubic capacity. Volume is calculated bore
> radius squared X Pi X stroke.
> John Cooper,
> Bega Australia.

John:

I don't recall saying that it did?  I just quoted details from the
Hepolite catalogue.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 05:05:26 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:05:26 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Interesting wall
Message-ID: <C6B0D626.228D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1127400


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Aug 18 07:11:03 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:11:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me - the saga ends :-)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090817224433.028d4e58@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEMIIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

Some blokes just have all the luck!  I don't know much about Listers (and am too bone idle to look the specs up) so could you let me know the HP and RPM of each type?

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 04:42 PM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me - 
> the saga ends :-)
> 
> 
> Hi all you wonderful people out there in "old 
> engine land",
>          Thanks to all those who "held thumbs" or 
> "crossed fingers" for me 
> - The Lister CS 5/1 is now safely parked (albeit 
> still on a trailer) in my 
> yard. 

........................snip........................

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm




From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Aug 18 07:16:27 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:16:27 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Interesting wall
In-Reply-To: <C6B0D626.228D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6B0D626.228D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BEBB3CA8-6000-42AA-AA09-6C537EDFEEEE@rustyiron.com>

Well, at least they've kept it from going to the scrap man.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Aug 18, 2009, at 5:05 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:

> http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1127400
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html



From curt at rustyiron.com  Tue Aug 18 08:47:04 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:47:04 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] Portland aerial photo
Message-ID: <59359.168.215.206.73.1250610424.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Luke maybe?
Someone posted an aerial photo of Portland with written in identifications
of the areas and buildings last year. Can someone provide the link for
this.
Or engine club has chartered a bus, and I was thinking this might help
them find their way around.
Curt



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Aug 18 09:57:39 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:57:39 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me - the saga ends :-)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1250611202.32019.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090818183809.0201ee08@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 18/08/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 13
>Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:11:03 -0500
>From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me - the saga ends :-)
>Jerry:
>Some blokes just have all the luck!  I don't know much about Listers (and 
>am too bone idle to look the specs up) so could you let me know the HP and 
>RPM of each type?
>Take care - Elden

Hi Elden,
         What you been smoking??? <big grin>
         The message had all that info in it :-)
"Copy follows"

"an aircooled 3 cylinder - 33 HP @ 1800 Lister diesel of similar vintage. I 
was not
particularly interested in the 3 Cyl. engine ( I think it is a type HA3 but
not totally sure, as I mentioned - not my interest)."
and
"P.S. For those who do not know - the Lister 5/1 and the Lister 6/1 is the
same engine. The engine produces (5 HP at 600 RPM) or (6 HP at 650 RPM).
According to David Edgington it was a "marketing ploy". They were
originally marketed as 5/1's and later as 6/1's. Same engine!!"

         I was just "ribbing" you about the "smoking" keep well my friend.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Aug 18 12:14:06 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:14:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Interesting wall
In-Reply-To: <C6B0D626.228D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6B0D626.228D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <585ba4437d2693848b0cbbbd62756839.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

WAY KEWL!!!!

On Tue, August 18, 2009 8:05 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1127400





From kosh at ncweb.com  Tue Aug 18 12:16:07 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:16:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Interesting wall
In-Reply-To: <585ba4437d2693848b0cbbbd62756839.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <C6B0D626.228D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<C6B0D626.228D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090818151338.0c3740f0@ncweb.com>

Actually, not so good.

It got me onto that @$#%@# geograph site, and I wasted
several hours looking at pix of ancestral places.
It's as bad as Shorpy.

Dave Merchant


At 03:14 PM 8/18/2009, you wrote:
>WAY KEWL!!!!
>
>On Tue, August 18, 2009 8:05 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> > http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1127400
>
>
>
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http://www.nesys.org
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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Aug 18 14:40:42 2009
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:40:42 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine
Message-ID: <4A8B1FDA.3090903@insulate.co.uk>

But it is steam powered!
This steam car is going to try to break the record, set in 1906, for a 
steam powered car, hopefully tomorrow.
http://www.steamcar.co.uk/index.html
Also an item on the BBC news
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8208119.stm

Dolly

-- 
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fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Aug 18 15:44:30 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:44:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me - the saga ends :-)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090818183809.0201ee08@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEMLIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

DANG, Jerry!  I musta been inhaling too much of that cutting oil smoke.  In addition to being bone idle, I'm getting stoopider and stoopider every day.

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:58 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me - 
> the saga ends :-)
> 
> 
> At 06:00 PM 18/08/2009, you wrote:
> >Message: 13
> >Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:11:03 -0500
> >From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me - 
> the saga ends :-)
> >Jerry:
> >Some blokes just have all the luck!  I don't 
> know much about Listers (and 
> >am too bone idle to look the specs up) so could 
> you let me know the HP and 
> >RPM of each type?
> >Take care - Elden
> 
> Hi Elden,
>          What you been smoking??? <big grin>
>          The message had all that info in it :-)

............................snip.....................

> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans




From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Aug 18 14:57:29 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:57:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine
In-Reply-To: <4A8B1FDA.3090903@insulate.co.uk>
References: <4A8B1FDA.3090903@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40B7A871CF1@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

It will be a sad day when the record is broken.

Some records are better off left alone out of respect for what they accomplished over 100 years ago.

Beating a 100 year old record with modern technology isn't something I enjoy.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim French
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:41 PM
To: ATIS Stationary Engine List
Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine

But it is steam powered!
This steam car is going to try to break the record, set in 1906, for a 
steam powered car, hopefully tomorrow.
http://www.steamcar.co.uk/index.html
Also an item on the BBC news
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8208119.stm

Dolly

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From james.kangas at timken.com  Tue Aug 18 15:27:20 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:27:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine
References: <4A8B1FDA.3090903@insulate.co.uk>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40B7A871CF1@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC0610A@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>

I agree completely with you George. I could see it if they were trying to do it with another Stanley Steamer, which I believe was the car that did it originally.
    Jim K.

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Best, George
Sent: Tue 8/18/2009 5:57 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine



It will be a sad day when the record is broken.

Some records are better off left alone out of respect for what they accomplished over 100 years ago.

Beating a 100 year old record with modern technology isn't something I enjoy.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim French
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:41 PM
To: ATIS Stationary Engine List
Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine

But it is steam powered!
This steam car is going to try to break the record, set in 1906, for a
steam powered car, hopefully tomorrow.
http://www.steamcar.co.uk/index.html
Also an item on the BBC news
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8208119.stm

Dolly

--
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Aug 18 17:10:14 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:10:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40B7A871CF1@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <4A8B1FDA.3090903@insulate.co.uk>
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Look at the old time motorcycle riders.  Any newbie on a modern bike  
could have kicked their asses.  So what?

I can climb routes that the pioneers of climbing considered  
unclimbable.  So what?

It's just boys going out and having a good time.





On Aug 18, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Best, George wrote:

> It will be a sad day when the record is broken.
>
> Some records are better off left alone out of respect for what they  
> accomplished over 100 years ago.
>
> Beating a 100 year old record with modern technology isn't something  
> I enjoy.
>
> George



From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Aug 18 17:52:13 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:52:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine
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References: <4A8B1FDA.3090903@insulate.co.uk>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40B7A871CF1@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <20090819011657.F05F08DCB@smtp.wcoil.com>

Records are made to be broken no matter how old they are but I agree 
in respects more to the point that it took 100?? years to do this? 
Not counting the unofficial "Barber-Nichols Team" efforts in 
1985  Which themselves only roughly equaled Marriots approx 1907 145 
mph (possibly 190) unofficial speed noted the next year.   And then 
after 100 years to break it by only 10 or 20 mph??   Surely we could 
do better then this after 100 years. Mark



At 05:57 PM 8/18/2009, you wrote:
>It will be a sad day when the record is broken.
>
>Some records are better off left alone out of respect for what they 
>accomplished over 100 years ago.
>
>Beating a 100 year old record with modern technology isn't something I enjoy.
>
>George
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim French
>Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:41 PM
>To: ATIS Stationary Engine List
>Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine
>
>But it is steam powered!
>This steam car is going to try to break the record, set in 1906, for a
>steam powered car, hopefully tomorrow.
>http://www.steamcar.co.uk/index.html
>Also an item on the BBC news
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8208119.stm
>
>Dolly
>
>--
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Aug 18 20:22:51 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 03:22:51 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Buckley Show
In-Reply-To: <66C153FD-97F9-4F93-BDBD-F805EF9C8A53@rustyiron.com>
References: <554529.79331.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><410722.10092.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com><SNT111-W12E152214A81A2D09D465C9020@phx.gbl><86435B39-36C8-4154-9C30-149D3C260812@rustyiron.com><081720091153.19883.4A89449D000F038D00004DAB223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<66C153FD-97F9-4F93-BDBD-F805EF9C8A53@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <081920090322.14349.4A8B700B000DEAA60000380D223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Please let me know ahead and can book some rooms if you need them.  Spoke to Joe Maurer today and believe he could put you both up at his house if you need be too.
Also still have to rooms not taken at Baraboo in the new section of the old motel if you should get a hair to come to Baraboo this week.  Will cancel them on thursday afternoon if no takers.
Curt
-------------- Original message from Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com>: -------------- 


> We talked seriously about going to Freeport, but September isn't far 
> off... 
> 
> 
> Rob Skinner 
> Antique Stationary Engines 
> La Habra, California 
> 
> rob at rustyiron.com 
> www.rustyiron.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 17, 2009, at 4:53 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: 
> 
> > Rob & Kelly, 
> > Hurry up and come to Baraboo this week as well as the Freeport Show 
> > in September.........there is a guy who displays those machines 
> > every year and seems to be very knowledgeable! 
> > Curt 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Aug 18 21:42:03 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:42:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine
In-Reply-To: <4A8B1FDA.3090903@insulate.co.uk>
References: <4A8B1FDA.3090903@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <b2c773824118088041e384f2b74e36cc.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Dolly,

Is that thing a steam jet or does the engine drive the wheels?

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, August 18, 2009 5:40 pm, Jim French wrote:
> But it is steam powered!
> This steam car is going to try to break the record, set in 1906, for a
> steam powered car, hopefully tomorrow.
> http://www.steamcar.co.uk/index.html
> Also an item on the BBC news
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8208119.stm




From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Wed Aug 19 03:38:09 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:38:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] BSA 420cc engine
Message-ID: <D58AE9502F124F7AB44F41CFDBDD175C@HOUSE>

Hello All
Sorry not to reply sooner, but have been away two days. ( OT--- Travel across state, collect family piano from daughter who no longer has room to keep it, bring it home next day and store it in Dad's shed. That's what Dad's shed is for isn't it??, not for repairing and displaying smelly, noisy, dirty old engines).

Anyway, thanks for the good advice everyone.
I don't need a manual, but thank you Peter Ogborne for your offer. The information on original bore size was all I needed, 82mm. I wanted to know how much wear I was reading. It seems I have a "G" model as the engine number commences with G. 

I already have one BSA 420cc, but on that one I did not need to do any work on the internals (rings and bearings etc.) 

Back to the engine my enquiry relates to. The piston has a slight concave top. This (as has been said) would not affect engine capacity, but (if all other parameters are the same) would affect the compression ratio.

Jerry, the photograph of your colleague's engine is very good- a clever display. Some details are different between his and mine- principally the fuel tank-mine is round, or tube shaped. The oil breather dipstick (combined) and oil filler cap are different too. We have used pretty much the same colour. You can't get the colour I used, at the paint shop- it's a Tedmix.

Once again 
Thank you all.

Teddee

From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Wed Aug 19 03:47:53 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:47:53 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Please hold thumbs for me.....
Message-ID: <9FE0333F197D43E98798A77CF56BF1EF@HOUSE>

Jerry
Well collected- you lucky !$%^(*&$)#!ix.,>!&*<_)+11$$##  !!

Good job!

Teddee.


From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Aug 19 05:00:43 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (russell gilbert)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:00:43 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Interesting wall
In-Reply-To: <C6B0D626.228D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6B0D626.228D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26223.209.254.26.66.1250683243.squirrel@webmail.ncable.com.au>

Same block as my engine
Russell
Dearborn MI

> http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1127400
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 19 08:03:32 2009
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:03:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Freeport Show
Message-ID: <914347.69553.qm@web112617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I have not been to the show down in Freeport, IL in at least 20 years. I am planning on attending there on September 19th & 20th. Are any other list members going to be there? Could we set up together like at Baraboo and Portland? 
See you at Baraboo,
Joe
Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan


      


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 19 09:03:43 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:03:43 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland aerial photo
In-Reply-To: <59359.168.215.206.73.1250610424.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <59359.168.215.206.73.1250610424.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <SNT118-W169C56808A59E78DAF0E52C8FE0@phx.gbl>


Here you go.

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/portland/portlandgrounds.html

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 

========================================
 
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:47:04 -0600
> From: curt at rustyiron.com
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Portland aerial photo
> 
> Luke maybe?
> Someone posted an aerial photo of Portland with written in identifications
> of the areas and buildings last year. Can someone provide the link for
> this.
> Or engine club has chartered a bus, and I was thinking this might help
> them find their way around.
> Curt
> 
_________________________________________________________________
Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you.
http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1

From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Aug 19 09:25:01 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:25:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine
In-Reply-To: <b2c773824118088041e384f2b74e36cc.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <4A8B1FDA.3090903@insulate.co.uk>
	<b2c773824118088041e384f2b74e36cc.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <B9D2C609-50A5-4A89-9B13-EFBB55988695@rustyiron.com>

Ahdunno much about rocket engines, Arnie, but I'll go out on a limb  
and say, "No bloody way!"  It's gotta be a turbine.

Rob



On Aug 18, 2009, at 9:42 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Hi Dolly,
>
> Is that thing a steam jet or does the engine drive the wheels?



From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Aug 19 09:31:03 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:31:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Interesting wall
In-Reply-To: <26223.209.254.26.66.1250683243.squirrel@webmail.ncable.com.au>
References: <C6B0D626.228D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<26223.209.254.26.66.1250683243.squirrel@webmail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <3B6F77CA-85E9-41F0-8121-784109B188DC@rustyiron.com>

Don't show the picture to your neighbors, mate. They might just sneak  
in while you're away and build themselves a soundwall to keep out the  
engine racket. I was thinking that it looked like the base of OUR  
engine. Incidentally, ours is now in the garage, fueled up, and ready  
to run when you get here.  Now that I think about it, that's pretty  
stupid.  After all, if you've seen one Campbell run, you've seen 'em  
all.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Aug 19, 2009, at 5:00 AM, russell gilbert wrote:

> Same block as my engine



From gastzt at aol.com  Wed Aug 19 10:58:51 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:58:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Portland aerial photo
Message-ID: <bfa.47bb7615.37bd975b@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 8/19/2009 11:07:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
flywheelin at hotmail.com writes:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/portland/portlandgrounds.html



Hey Luke---
  Stan Zettner here---(SEL)--
  wow you did a GREAT job with your pics!   I  also have a 8hp Stover--just 
finishing it up---   just too dang hot  here right now to work on 
it----(Pleasanton, Tex) !  I have never been to  the Portland thingy--really want to 
make it someday!
  Well,  just to let you know I really enjoyed your  site--   good for an 
old 70yr old fart to see now and then--LOL!   Hope to meet you someday!  
Thanks ever so much!
 Stan Zettner
 Pleasanton, Tx    (old Stovers,  etc)
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From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Aug 19 11:37:37 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:37:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine
In-Reply-To: <B9D2C609-50A5-4A89-9B13-EFBB55988695@rustyiron.com>
References: <4A8B1FDA.3090903@insulate.co.uk>	<b2c773824118088041e384f2b74e36cc.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<B9D2C609-50A5-4A89-9B13-EFBB55988695@rustyiron.com>
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Rob Skinner wrote:
> Ahdunno much about rocket engines, Arnie, but I'll go out on a limb  
> and say, "No bloody way!"  It's gotta be a turbine.
> 
> Rob

Rear wheel drive with a two stage turbine.

-- 
Steve W.



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Aug 19 19:14:30 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:14:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine
In-Reply-To: <B9D2C609-50A5-4A89-9B13-EFBB55988695@rustyiron.com>
References: <4A8B1FDA.3090903@insulate.co.uk>
	<b2c773824118088041e384f2b74e36cc.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
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WOT???  They wind the steam around the driver's head?  Is he Muslim?

On Wed, August 19, 2009 12:25 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
> Ahdunno much about rocket engines, Arnie, but I'll go out on a limb
> and say, "No bloody way!"  It's gotta be a turbine.





From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Aug 20 02:15:02 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:15:02 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Freeport Show
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Joe it would be pleasure to have you set up with us at Freeport Show.  Will reserve a spot for you.  How much room will you need?  If you attend Baraboo this weekend can chat more.
thanks,
Curt Andree
815-238-7316
-------------- Original message from Joe Prindle <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>: -------------- 

I have not been to the show down in Freeport, IL in at least 20 years. I am planning on attending there on September 19th & 20th. Are any other list members 
> going to be there? Could we set up together like at Baraboo and Portland? 
> See you at Baraboo, 
> Joe 
> Joe Prindle 
> Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike 
> Milligan 
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From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Aug 20 09:38:27 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:38:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
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This past weekend I was at a show, and the host of the show had nice 2hp tank cooled engine for me to play with.

This is a early (1901-1903) engine and one of the things I noticed on this engine was that the flat belt pulley was actually cast with the flywheel.  In other words the pulley cannot be removed or separated from the flywheel.

I cannot think of any other engines at the moment with the flywheel and pulley cast together.

Does anyone here know of some examples?

This is only for flat belt pulleys, not vee belt grooves cut into the flywheel face or any other engines where the flywheel face is being used as the pulley.  I mean examples that look like a common bolt on flat belt pulley or the type that would slide on the crankshaft.

George


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From mgomaize at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 20 10:46:23 2009
From: mgomaize at yahoo.com (Tony Pitts)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:46:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] 2HP United Type A spring
Message-ID: <370911.81031.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello,

I have a 2HP United that is missing the spring that helps the ignitor return to the proper position to be tripped again.  I am hoping one of the talented people on the list could help me locate one, or has the talent to make one.  I have no sample to work from.  

Thanks,

Tony



From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Aug 20 10:58:09 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:58:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
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Early Maytag engines built by Elgin were that way. Mark


At 12:38 PM 8/20/2009, you wrote:
>This past weekend I was at a show, and the host of the show had nice 
>2hp tank cooled engine for me to play with.
>
>This is a early (1901-1903) engine and one of the things I noticed 
>on this engine was that the flat belt pulley was actually cast with 
>the flywheel.  In other words the pulley cannot be removed or 
>separated from the flywheel.
>
>I cannot think of any other engines at the moment with the flywheel 
>and pulley cast together.
>
>Does anyone here know of some examples?
>
>This is only for flat belt pulleys, not vee belt grooves cut into 
>the flywheel face or any other engines where the flywheel face is 
>being used as the pulley.  I mean examples that look like a common 
>bolt on flat belt pulley or the type that would slide on the crankshaft.
>
>George
>
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Aug 20 11:33:53 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:33:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 2HP United Type A spring
In-Reply-To: <370911.81031.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090820183355.36A5D4448B8@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Tony, United and Associated are similar engines using common igniters. Hit
and Miss and Starbolt carry the spring. Jimmy O'Hagan

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tony Pitts
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:46 AM
To: SEL; Old Engine
Subject: [SEL] 2HP United Type A spring

Hello,

I have a 2HP United that is missing the spring that helps the ignitor return
to the proper position to be tripped again.  I am hoping one of the talented
people on the list could help me locate one, or has the talent to make one.
I have no sample to work from.  

Thanks,

Tony

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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Aug 20 11:45:26 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:45:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
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Message-ID: <F2B099B75E164DA1B8A756F2C0501380@tommyd0x52gkco>

Springfield engines had the pulley and flywheel cast together.  I had
another engine here that the pulley and flywheel were cast as one but
darned if I can remember the name right now.  If I come up with it I'll
pass it on.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best,
George
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:38 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's

This past weekend I was at a show, and the host of the show had nice 2hp
tank cooled engine for me to play with.

This is a early (1901-1903) engine and one of the things I noticed on
this engine was that the flat belt pulley was actually cast with the
flywheel.  In other words the pulley cannot be removed or separated from
the flywheel.

I cannot think of any other engines at the moment with the flywheel and
pulley cast together.

Does anyone here know of some examples?

This is only for flat belt pulleys, not vee belt grooves cut into the
flywheel face or any other engines where the flywheel face is being used
as the pulley.  I mean examples that look like a common bolt on flat
belt pulley or the type that would slide on the crankshaft.

George


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From lfevans at pacbell.net  Thu Aug 20 12:13:22 2009
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:13:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
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George,

I know you are thinking of engines a little more exotic but a Fairbanks 
Morse ZD seems to meet your description.

Larry Evans

At 09:38 AM 8/20/2009, you wrote:
>This past weekend I was at a show, and the host of the show had nice 2hp 
>tank cooled engine for me to play with.
>
>This is a early (1901-1903) engine and one of the things I noticed on this 
>engine was that the flat belt pulley was actually cast with the 
>flywheel.  In other words the pulley cannot be removed or separated from 
>the flywheel.
>
>I cannot think of any other engines at the moment with the flywheel and 
>pulley cast together.
>
>Does anyone here know of some examples?
>
>This is only for flat belt pulleys, not vee belt grooves cut into the 
>flywheel face or any other engines where the flywheel face is being used 
>as the pulley.  I mean examples that look like a common bolt on flat belt 
>pulley or the type that would slide on the crankshaft.
>
>George
>
>
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From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Aug 20 12:31:37 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:31:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
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Larry,

You're right.  I am looking for engines that it was done for reasons other than making the engine cheaper to build.

I was sure I'd get some examples of low end engines, but was interested in Tommy saying the Springfield had the pulley cast as part of the flywheel.

The engine I was playing with is a German engine and it definitely wasn't done to save on production cost!  Too much other machined and numbered parts to believe they were trying to cut cost.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Evans
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:13 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] flat belt pulley's

George,

I know you are thinking of engines a little more exotic but a Fairbanks 
Morse ZD seems to meet your description.

Larry Evans



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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 15:19:37 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:19:37 +1000
Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
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The only one that immediately comes to mind is 'Grob':
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/heyfield2003/hey03219.JPG
I will have a bit more of a think as I am sure there are others but it is
not a common practice.
Some of the 'electric' versions of engines had extra wide flywheel faces for
belt use rather than pulleys.


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Aug 20 15:44:55 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:44:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
In-Reply-To: <C6B40919.2311%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
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Thanks Patrick!

That's an interesting engine.  Never seen one like it.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Livingstone
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:20 PM
To: ATIS
Subject: Re: [SEL] flat belt pulley's

The only one that immediately comes to mind is 'Grob':
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/heyfield2003/hey03219.JPG
I will have a bit more of a think as I am sure there are others but it is
not a common practice.
Some of the 'electric' versions of engines had extra wide flywheel faces for
belt use rather than pulleys.


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html



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From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Aug 20 15:47:34 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (russell gilbert)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:47:34 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Interesting wall
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Rob they are probably like them bum crack australs anyway!

Russell

> Don't show the picture to your neighbors, mate. They might just sneak
> in while you're away and build themselves a soundwall to keep out the
> engine racket. I was thinking that it looked like the base of OUR
> engine. Incidentally, ours is now in the garage, fueled up, and ready
> to run when you get here.  Now that I think about it, that's pretty
> stupid.  After all, if you've seen one Campbell run, you've seen 'em
> all.
>
>
> Rob Skinner
> Antique Stationary Engines
> La Habra, California
>
> rob at rustyiron.com
> www.rustyiron.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2009, at 5:00 AM, russell gilbert wrote:
>
>> Same block as my engine
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 20 15:55:52 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:55:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
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	<F2B099B75E164DA1B8A756F2C0501380@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <COL112-W94CE0016434F90CA2222795FD0@phx.gbl>


The small C H&E engines had a stepped pulley cast into one flywheel, Steve
 
> From: lcjudge at scrtc.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:45:26 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
> 
> Springfield engines had the pulley and flywheel cast together. I had
> another engine here that the pulley and flywheel were cast as one but
> darned if I can remember the name right now. If I come up with it I'll
> pass it on.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best,
> George
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:38 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
> 
> This past weekend I was at a show, and the host of the show had nice 2hp
> tank cooled engine for me to play with.
> 
> This is a early (1901-1903) engine and one of the things I noticed on
> this engine was that the flat belt pulley was actually cast with the
> flywheel. In other words the pulley cannot be removed or separated from
> the flywheel.
> 
> I cannot think of any other engines at the moment with the flywheel and
> pulley cast together.
> 
> Does anyone here know of some examples?
> 
> This is only for flat belt pulleys, not vee belt grooves cut into the
> flywheel face or any other engines where the flywheel face is being used
> as the pulley. I mean examples that look like a common bolt on flat
> belt pulley or the type that would slide on the crankshaft.
> 
> George
> 
> 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Aug 20 16:06:30 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (lcjudge at scrtc.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:06:30 +0000
Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W94CE0016434F90CA2222795FD0@phx.gbl>
References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40B7A9F5A2B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><F2B099B75E164DA1B8A756F2C0501380@tommyd0x52gkco><COL112-W94CE0016434F90CA2222795FD0@phx.gbl>
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Yup Steve, that's what I used to have that I couldn't remember the name of.

Tommy Turner



Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device provided by Bluegrass Cellular

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:55:52 
To: The SEL email discussion list<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] flat belt pulley's



The small C H&E engines had a stepped pulley cast into one flywheel, Steve
 
> From: lcjudge at scrtc.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:45:26 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
> 
> Springfield engines had the pulley and flywheel cast together. I had
> another engine here that the pulley and flywheel were cast as one but
> darned if I can remember the name right now. If I come up with it I'll
> pass it on.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best,
> George
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:38 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
> 
> This past weekend I was at a show, and the host of the show had nice 2hp
> tank cooled engine for me to play with.
> 
> This is a early (1901-1903) engine and one of the things I noticed on
> this engine was that the flat belt pulley was actually cast with the
> flywheel. In other words the pulley cannot be removed or separated from
> the flywheel.
> 
> I cannot think of any other engines at the moment with the flywheel and
> pulley cast together.
> 
> Does anyone here know of some examples?
> 
> This is only for flat belt pulleys, not vee belt grooves cut into the
> flywheel face or any other engines where the flywheel face is being used
> as the pulley. I mean examples that look like a common bolt on flat
> belt pulley or the type that would slide on the crankshaft.
> 
> George
> 
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 22:44:21 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:44:21 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Bartram Video
Message-ID: <C6B5C2D5.234E%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I have just uploaded a little video of my Bartram 5hp running at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnfKkHdwYhw

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From rob at rustyiron.com  Sat Aug 22 05:27:43 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 05:27:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bartram Video
In-Reply-To: <C6B5C2D5.234E%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6B5C2D5.234E%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <953B6743-D863-4EA5-8E3D-7C38179B10B6@rustyiron.com>

Beautiful engine, Patrick, and she runs so nicely!  The crankcase  
cover artwork would make a good tattoo, or at least a t-shirt graphic.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
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On Aug 21, 2009, at 10:44 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:

> I have just uploaded a little video of my Bartram 5hp running at:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnfKkHdwYhw
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
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From jbcast at charter.net  Sat Aug 22 13:06:55 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:06:55 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Babbit reminder
In-Reply-To: <295762869-1250809590-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2064657219-@bxe1099.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20090822160655.EDHS8.3985520.root@mp19>


Tommy, just a reminder about the babbit. I would like 25lbs, Dickie Gibbens would like 25lbs also if you can spare it, if not we'll share.
Thanks,
J.B. 


From GRookus2 at comcast.net  Sat Aug 22 13:32:23 2009
From: GRookus2 at comcast.net (Gary Rookus)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:32:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bartram Video
References: <C6B5C2D5.234E%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BC63BBC1340D432DAE75B1804BB52CA9@gary>

Nice running eng.you sure have some great eng. over there,thanks for the 
video gary
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From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 1:44 AM
Subject: [SEL] Bartram Video


>I have just uploaded a little video of my Bartram 5hp running at:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnfKkHdwYhw
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 27 02:54:23 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 02:54:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
In-Reply-To: <BC63BBC1340D432DAE75B1804BB52CA9@gary>
Message-ID: <713465.18869.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Howdy Folks?
Why is this grouop acting so dead?

well,,, I've gotta get to work,,,,
Alan in Michigan


From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Aug 27 04:55:41 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:55:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
Message-ID: <bdd.5800ed21.37c7ce3d@aol.com>

The Portland  show is on and were missing out.
KK
 
 
In a message dated 8/27/2009 5:58:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rustaholic777 at yahoo.com writes:

Howdy  Folks?
Why is this grouop acting so dead?

well,,, I've gotta get to  work,,,,
Alan in Michigan



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 27 04:57:24 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 04:57:24 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [SEL] Edd Payne
Message-ID: <2862193.1251374244680.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Hey Edd Payne, Kenny Wolf's daughter has been trying to email you and they keep bouncing.  She is worried about you so you would please email her so as to ease her mind.

Tim Christoff
Basehor KS.
currently Portland.


From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 27 05:30:43 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:30:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
In-Reply-To: <bdd.5800ed21.37c7ce3d@aol.com>
References: <bdd.5800ed21.37c7ce3d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W1420E62E834F0FB5F8F7B6C2F60@phx.gbl>


I'm not there yet, I won't be there till tomorrow  :(   

 

Tom Winland

Ohio
 
> From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:55:41 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
> 
> The Portland show is on and were missing out.
> KK
> 
> 
> In a message dated 8/27/2009 5:58:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> rustaholic777 at yahoo.com writes:
> 
> Howdy Folks?
> Why is this grouop acting so dead?
> 
> well,,, I've gotta get to work,,,,
> Alan in Michigan
> 
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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Aug 27 05:39:44 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:39:44 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
Message-ID: <c0f.57163c41.37c7d890@aol.com>

Why go now Tom all the deals are gone. Take a go cart with you and have  
some fun.
KK 
 
 
In a message dated 8/27/2009 8:38:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
gasenginetom at hotmail.com writes:

I'm not  there yet, I won't be there till tomorrow  :(    



Tom  Winland

Ohio



From Dvswan03 at aol.com  Thu Aug 27 05:44:40 2009
From: Dvswan03 at aol.com (Dvswan03 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:44:40 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
Message-ID: <c02.644331fd.37c7d9b8@aol.com>

don't get to go to Portland this year ,but had a great time in Baraboo last 
 week with the group that was going to Portland. Hope they are having a  
blast!!!   Mary at home in Freeport,Il.


From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 27 05:58:57 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:58:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
In-Reply-To: <c0f.57163c41.37c7d890@aol.com>
References: <c0f.57163c41.37c7d890@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W184D11C0A5A7814A89DF36C2F60@phx.gbl>


Only reason I'm going is to pick up some new toys that are getting delivered and to deliver some engines that are already sold.

 

I'm picking up a sideshaft 8 HP Weber and a early ported exhaust 6 HP Domestic  :)
 

Tom Winland

Ohio

 
> From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:39:44 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
> 
> Why go now Tom all the deals are gone. Take a go cart with you and have 
> some fun.
> KK 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 8/27/2009 8:38:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> gasenginetom at hotmail.com writes:
> 
> I'm not there yet, I won't be there till tomorrow :( 
> 
> 
> 
> Tom Winland
> 
> Ohio
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu Aug 27 07:00:26 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:00:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
In-Reply-To: <c02.644331fd.37c7d9b8@aol.com>
References: <c02.644331fd.37c7d9b8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B80F0B46-227A-42A9-B299-10DE39FDA2E9@rustyiron.com>

Hey, Mary.  I didn't know you were on the list!  I heard Boogaloo was  
better than ever.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

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On Aug 27, 2009, at 5:44 AM, Dvswan03 at aol.com wrote:

> don't get to go to Portland this year ,but had a great time in  
> Baraboo last
> week with the group that was going to Portland. Hope they are having a
> blast!!!   Mary at home in Freeport,Il.


From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Aug 27 12:59:02 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:59:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
Message-ID: <d23.4a87cd19.37c83f86@aol.com>

Since the list is slow, thought I would send you this photo of a snake  
that paid a visit to our home one evening a while ago.
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg) 
 
 
 
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Concord, Va.
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From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Aug 27 13:10:46 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:10:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
In-Reply-To: <d23.4a87cd19.37c83f86@aol.com>
References: <d23.4a87cd19.37c83f86@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40B7ADDD93C@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

What type of snake is that?

Don't say it's a door snake ! ;-)

George

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:59 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] snake OT

Since the list is slow, thought I would send you this photo of a snake  
that paid a visit to our home one evening a while ago.
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg) 
 
 
 
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Aug 27 14:47:41 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:47:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
Message-ID: <20090827.144756.18162.179807@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com>

Looks like he almost rang the doorbell.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:59:02 EDT Germoamer at aol.com writes:
> Since the list is slow, thought I would send you this photo of a 
> snake  
> that paid a visit to our home one evening a while ago.
>  
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg_ 
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg) 
>  
>  
>  
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Aug 27 14:53:52 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:53:52 EDT
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
Message-ID: <c92.520f9fcd.37c85a70@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 8/27/2009 4:19:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
George_Best at adp.com writes:

What  type of snake is that?



That is a black snake and a good size one at that.  I picked him up  with a 
stick and threw him 3 times across the yard till he was out in the field  
headed for the woods.  He has not been back and I do not think he liked the  
flying thru the air part!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Aug 27 15:24:43 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:24:43 EDT
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
Message-ID: <caa.4d2b7a9d.37c861ab@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 8/27/2009 5:58:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
rdhaskell at juno.com writes:

Looks  like he almost rang the doorbell.


The worst part was that I went to walk out the kitchen door and had hold of 
 the handle before I realized the snake was staring me right in the face.  
I  think I backed up about 5 feet in one movement!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Aug 27 16:22:49 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:22:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
In-Reply-To: <d23.4a87cd19.37c83f86@aol.com>
References: <d23.4a87cd19.37c83f86@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS9B5AE003BB5C0D9E08439BBF60@phx.gbl>

HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!









----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:59 PM
Subject: [SEL] snake OT


> Since the list is slow, thought I would send you this photo of a snake
> that paid a visit to our home one evening a while ago.
>
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg_
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg)
>
>
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
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From gastzt at aol.com  Thu Aug 27 16:36:19 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:36:19 EDT
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
Message-ID: <c32.5c9263d9.37c87273@aol.com>

That's just what I thought too----LOL
 Stan Zettner
                old stovers
Pleasanton, Tx


From obise at moscow.com  Thu Aug 27 16:59:01 2009
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:59:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
In-Reply-To: <d23.4a87cd19.37c83f86@aol.com>
References: <d23.4a87cd19.37c83f86@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4906EB6149BD4FE9B45BF37B5E4C6270@CathyComp>

When c'n I get one of those Gumby snakes?  I'd like to play some tricks on
some folks who need some variety in their lives. 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
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So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:59 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] snake OT

Since the list is slow, thought I would send you this photo of a snake  
that paid a visit to our home one evening a while ago.
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg) 
 
 
 
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 27 17:22:38 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:22:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
In-Reply-To: <c92.520f9fcd.37c85a70@aol.com>
Message-ID: <817820.2149.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I once ran into one that size in central Missouri.
They seem harmless enough.  Nothing at all like the Copperheads in the same area.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Thu, 8/27/09, Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:

> From: Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] snake OT
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 5:53 PM
>  
> In a message dated 8/27/2009 4:19:23 PM Eastern Daylight
> Time,? 
> George_Best at adp.com
> writes:
> 
> What? type of snake is that?
> 
> 
> 
> That is a black snake and a good size one at that.? I
> picked him up? with a 
> stick and threw him 3 times across the yard till he was out
> in the field? 
> headed for the woods.? He has not been back and I do
> not think he liked the? 
> flying thru the air part!? 
> 
> Tom? Schmutz
> Concord,? Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> 
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From Dvswan03 at aol.com  Thu Aug 27 20:20:45 2009
From: Dvswan03 at aol.com (Dvswan03 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:20:45 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
Message-ID: <cc7.5c6402f5.37c8a70d@aol.com>

yep,I'm here. it was a good time at Baraboo .wish you and Kelly could have  
made it. maybe next year I can go back to Portland.
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Aug 28 01:56:06 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (jopeter at omninet.net.au)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:56:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT Snakes ...Australian
Message-ID: <20090828085606.0207A2CB1F@den1tools02.photobucket.com>

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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Aug 28 01:58:10 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (jopeter at omninet.net.au)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:58:10 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT Snakes ...Australian
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 28 03:28:38 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:28:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT Snakes ...Australian
In-Reply-To: <20090828085606.0207A2CB1F@den1tools02.photobucket.com>
Message-ID: <791006.68828.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Looks like a good eating size.
?
Alan in Michigan

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Subject: [SEL] OT Snakes ...Australian
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 4:56 AM


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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Aug 28 05:44:46 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:44:46 EDT
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
Message-ID: <c26.640b431e.37c92b3e@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 8/27/2009 7:28:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

HOLY  CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Rick,
 
I might have said something like that too when I had the door handle in my  
hand and saw it at eye level and jumped back 5 ft.  We had just had a  
severe thunderstorm with torrential rain for a short time.  The storm may  have 
made it come up on the carport.  If it had been poisonous, it surely  would 
have not lived long.  But, a blacksnake is good to keep away mice,  etc.  If 
it stays around out buildings, ok, otherwise it is going  elsewhere!
 
Glad the photo got us lurkers talking!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Aug 28 06:01:51 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 07:01:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
In-Reply-To: <c26.640b431e.37c92b3e@aol.com>
References: <c26.640b431e.37c92b3e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS2F60289016217F80E38C9BBF50@phx.gbl>

Did your wife know it was there?  She's seems quite calm in the photo.



Rick












----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] snake OT


>
> In a message dated 8/27/2009 7:28:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
>
> HOLY  CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> Rick,
>
> I might have said something like that too when I had the door handle in my
> hand and saw it at eye level and jumped back 5 ft.  We had just had a
> severe thunderstorm with torrential rain for a short time.  The storm may 
> have
> made it come up on the carport.  If it had been poisonous, it surely 
> would
> have not lived long.  But, a blacksnake is good to keep away mice,  etc. 
> If
> it stays around out buildings, ok, otherwise it is going  elsewhere!
>
> Glad the photo got us lurkers talking!
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Aug 28 06:19:49 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:19:49 EDT
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
Message-ID: <cbc.47c39c80.37c93375@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 8/28/2009 9:08:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

Did your  wife know it was there?  She's seems quite calm in the  photo


When I jumped back, she knew something was not right and saw the  snake.  
She was working on a crossword puzzle and promptly told me to get  rid of it! 
 She usually will let me give the snake a first chance, second  visit time 
is a dead snake!  Snake in the bird houses is also a dead  one.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Aug 27 18:11:52 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:11:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
Message-ID: <20090828.073601.12940.36604@mailpop09.vgs.untd.com>

Keep him there, Tom

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:59:02 EDT Germoamer at aol.com writes:
> Since the list is slow, thought I would send you this photo of a 
> snake  
> that paid a visit to our home one evening a while ago.
>  
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg_ 
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg) 
>  
>  
>  
> Tom  Schmutz
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Aug 28 14:57:22 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:57:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEONIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Gang:

I'm planning on making a butt-buggy to be powered by the Homemade Hvid engine.  I would like to use a novel (but not revolutionary) method of driving the tranny, though.

I plan to generate 12 Volts to keep a small battery charged and to run a 12 Volt motor connected to a Sears Suburban (Interstate) transaxle.

What I'm looking for is a small alternator that will make a maximum of 20 amps at 14 volts.  I'd prefer a unit that requires an external regulator (which I will design and build).  I will make a flat belt pulley to drive it from a flywheel of the engine at around 4,000 RPM.  Used is fine as long as it works.  Cheap is excellent, as this project is running way over budget.  :-)  What else is new??!!

Whatcha got?  What can you suggest (make and model of something I can get the alternator off of at a junkyard.

Thanks and take care - Elden DuRand
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 




From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Fri Aug 28 14:11:27 2009
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:11:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEONIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEONIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <749FA73550E343418B7E4E4AD61E131F@Eagle>


	There is a "butt buggy" at Portland powered by a battery with a
gasoline engine driving a 28v - I believe - generator to charge the
batteries. It was in the large engine area. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 5:57 PM
To: Stationary Engine List
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.

Gang:

I'm planning on making a butt-buggy to be powered by the Homemade Hvid
engine.  I would like to use a novel (but not revolutionary) method of
driving the tranny, though.

I plan to generate 12 Volts to keep a small battery charged and to run a 12
Volt motor connected to a Sears Suburban (Interstate) transaxle.

What I'm looking for is a small alternator that will make a maximum of 20
amps at 14 volts.  I'd prefer a unit that requires an external regulator
(which I will design and build).  I will make a flat belt pulley to drive it
from a flywheel of the engine at around 4,000 RPM.  Used is fine as long as
it works.  Cheap is excellent, as this project is running way over budget.
:-)  What else is new??!!

Whatcha got?  What can you suggest (make and model of something I can get
the alternator off of at a junkyard.

Thanks and take care - Elden DuRand
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 


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From kimmell at verizon.net  Fri Aug 28 14:55:00 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (kimmell at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:55:00 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEONIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEONIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <1529047903-1251496655-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1935760481-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Elden,
Why only 20 amps?  Most automotive alternators that I've messed with have a capacity of at least 60-80 amps, all the way up to 160 amps for the heavy duty ones.  If you're building a regulator it shouldn't really matter though.

Most of the older Ford/Lincoln/Mercury vehicles from the 70's and early 80's used external regulators.

-Tony



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-----Original Message-----
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:57:22 
To: Stationary Engine List<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.


Gang:

I'm planning on making a butt-buggy to be powered by the Homemade Hvid engine.  I would like to use a novel (but not revolutionary) method of driving the tranny, though.

I plan to generate 12 Volts to keep a small battery charged and to run a 12 Volt motor connected to a Sears Suburban (Interstate) transaxle.

What I'm looking for is a small alternator that will make a maximum of 20 amps at 14 volts.  I'd prefer a unit that requires an external regulator (which I will design and build).  I will make a flat belt pulley to drive it from a flywheel of the engine at around 4,000 RPM.  Used is fine as long as it works.  Cheap is excellent, as this project is running way over budget.  :-)  What else is new??!!

Whatcha got?  What can you suggest (make and model of something I can get the alternator off of at a junkyard.

Thanks and take care - Elden DuRand
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 


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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 28 16:15:11 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:15:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEONIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <206392.85632.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I used to own Opels 1967 to 1985 and they all had a 28 or 35 Amp alt.
They did have an external regulator.
Good luck finding one in a junkyard now. 8>))
?
The 92 Amp alts from some Ford Tempo cars that I scrapped?out a couple years ago were actually sized smaller than the Opel ones from much earlier.
?
Do want the 20 Amp one because it will be a smaller demand on the engine?
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:


From: Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 5:57 PM


Gang:

I'm planning on making a butt-buggy to be powered by the Homemade Hvid engine.? I would like to use a novel (but not revolutionary) method of driving the tranny, though.

I plan to generate 12 Volts to keep a small battery charged and to run a 12 Volt motor connected to a Sears Suburban (Interstate) transaxle.

What I'm looking for is a small alternator that will make a maximum of 20 amps at 14 volts.? I'd prefer a unit that requires an external regulator (which I will design and build).? I will make a flat belt pulley to drive it from a flywheel of the engine at around 4,000 RPM.? Used is fine as long as it works.? Cheap is excellent, as this project is running way over budget.? :-)? What else is new??!!

Whatcha got?? What can you suggest (make and model of something I can get the alternator off of at a junkyard.

Thanks and take care - Elden DuRand
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 


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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 28 16:23:48 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:23:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
Message-ID: <BAY127-W4F76A095CDE5B91E7B58CCBF50@phx.gbl>


Blacksnakes are harmless.  We had numerous around our old home in Kansas.  Some would show up in the spring, identifiable by marks, coloration, or wounds.  The biggest we would pick up and handle for a short while, and he/she would relax while being stroked.  We would measure the critter by laying it out on the one foot tiles on the kitchen floor.  He would gain nearly a foot a year.  They were always welcome because they kept down the rodents, and we lived next to a large wooded area that supplied plenty!

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 28 16:53:15 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:53:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
In-Reply-To: <c26.640b431e.37c92b3e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <759471.12794.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

About 40 years ago we made trip out to Montana. On the way back it was all in a heavy rain
Driving a couple hundred miles running over thousands of snakes per hour?was cool.
They were way too thick to stop and get out of the car.
When it finally got to where we couldn't see more than a dozen at a time in the headlights my step-father stopped the car and used his handy slingshot and a handful of ball bearings?to shoot a dozen diamondback rattlers in the head?then he?cut off their rattles.
?
I guess they were his war trophy.
??????
?
Right now a lady at work is very happy to have a large mystery snake in her garden eating all the bugs.
Just today though she told us that it was hissing at her when she was trying to pick some zucchini.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:


From: Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] snake OT
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 8:44 AM



In a message dated 8/27/2009 7:28:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,? 
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

HOLY? CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Rick,

I might have said something like that too when I had the door handle in my? 
hand and saw it at eye level and jumped back 5 ft.? We had just had a? 
severe thunderstorm with torrential rain for a short time.? The storm may? have 
made it come up on the carport.? If it had been poisonous, it surely? would 
have not lived long.? But, a blacksnake is good to keep away mice,? etc.? If 
it stays around out buildings, ok, otherwise it is going? elsewhere!

Glad the photo got us lurkers talking!? 

Tom? Schmutz
Concord,? Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Aug 28 18:50:41 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:50:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <206392.85632.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEOPIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Alan:

Yes, I don't have a whole lot of power out of the 12.5 cubic inch Hvid I built.  I figure I should be able to make 10-15 amps at full engine output.  You can see the engine on my website below.

I'll design my regulator so I have an output current adjustment.  That way, I can set the max. load so the engine can just barely pull it.  The battery will supply the peak power required over that the alternator can supply.

I may just go to Pick-A-Part and find something that looks likely.

THEN, I have to find a motor of about 1/4 HP. 

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Alan
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 06:15 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
> 
> 
> I used to own Opels 1967 to 1985 and they all had 
> a 28 or 35 Amp alt.
> They did have an external regulator.
> Good luck finding one in a junkyard now. 8>))
> ?
> The 92 Amp alts from some Ford Tempo cars that I 
> scrapped?out a couple years ago were actually 
> sized smaller than the Opel ones from much earlier.
> ?
> Do want the 20 Amp one because it will be a 
> smaller demand on the engine?
> ?
> Alan in Michigan




From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Aug 28 18:51:56 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:51:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <1529047903-1251496655-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1935760481-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEOPIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tony:

The engine will only make enough power for a theoretical 10-15 amps so I don't need much of an alternator.

Of course, a larger alternator will just loaf that much more.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> kimmell at verizon.net
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 04:55 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
> 
> 
> Elden,
> Why only 20 amps?  Most automotive alternators 
> that I've messed with have a capacity of at least 
> 60-80 amps, all the way up to 160 amps for the 
> heavy duty ones.  If you're building a regulator 
> it shouldn't really matter though.
> 
> Most of the older Ford/Lincoln/Mercury vehicles 
> from the 70's and early 80's used external regulators.
> 
> -Tony




From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Aug 28 18:56:07 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:56:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <749FA73550E343418B7E4E4AD61E131F@Eagle>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEOPIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Hey Bob!!:

How'ya doin'?

Did you ever get your lineshaft engine sorted out?

My butt-buggy is going to use 12 Volt electrics.  I did say that I ain't breakin' new ground.  :-)

If I run out of options or the stuff to do it is too dear, I could just take my two old 90 Volt P.M. variable speed motors and use one of 'em as a generator and the other as a motor and dispense with the battery.  I don't think I want to lug around 8 12 volt batteries!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Bob Willman
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 04:11 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
> 
> 
> 
> 	There is a "butt buggy" at Portland powered 
> by a battery with a
> gasoline engine driving a 28v - I believe - 
> generator to charge the
> batteries. It was in the large engine area. 
> 
> 
> Bob Willman
> Bowling Green, Ohio
> The Eagle's Anvil




From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Fri Aug 28 18:53:37 2009
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:53:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEOPIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <749FA73550E343418B7E4E4AD61E131F@Eagle>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEOPIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <D37E98ACD7F64349B934685E02ABED59@Eagle>


	Not completely. I will run when it feels like running which isn't
very often and not very reliably. I talked with several folks at Portland
again and have a couple more things to try. I am still using your electronic
ignition system. When I find out what the problem really is, I will probably
kick my self for taking this long to find it. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:56 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.

Hey Bob!!:

How'ya doin'?

Did you ever get your lineshaft engine sorted out?

My butt-buggy is going to use 12 Volt electrics.  I did say that I ain't
breakin' new ground.  :-)

If I run out of options or the stuff to do it is too dear, I could just take
my two old 90 Volt P.M. variable speed motors and use one of 'em as a
generator and the other as a motor and dispense with the battery.  I don't
think I want to lug around 8 12 volt batteries!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Bob Willman
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 04:11 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
> 
> 
> 
> 	There is a "butt buggy" at Portland powered by a battery with a 
> gasoline engine driving a 28v - I believe - generator to charge the 
> batteries. It was in the large engine area.
> 
> 
> Bob Willman
> Bowling Green, Ohio
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Aug 29 06:30:46 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:30:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <D37E98ACD7F64349B934685E02ABED59@Eagle>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEPBIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Bob:

It's too bad I'm not closer.  I could come up and tinker with that Reid(?).  I'm sure it's something dead simple like a bad spark plug, flooding or a leaking/sticky valve.

You're persistent!  Keep on it and let me know when you find out what the gremlin is.

BTW, what do you use for lineshaft power when the engine is not cooperating?

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Bob Willman
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 08:54 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
> 
> 
> 
> 	Not completely. I will run when it feels 
> like running which isn't
> very often and not very reliably. I talked with 
> several folks at Portland
> again and have a couple more things to try. I am 
> still using your electronic
> ignition system. When I find out what the problem 
> really is, I will probably
> kick my self for taking this long to find it. 
> 
> 
> Bob Willman




From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Sat Aug 29 06:27:52 2009
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 09:27:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEPBIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <D37E98ACD7F64349B934685E02ABED59@Eagle>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEPBIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <DC4369AB82424BC08B1E828F13A63458@Eagle>


	Without the Superior running everything is hand powered. Damn! 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:31 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.

Bob:

It's too bad I'm not closer.  I could come up and tinker with that Reid(?).
I'm sure it's something dead simple like a bad spark plug, flooding or a
leaking/sticky valve.

You're persistent!  Keep on it and let me know when you find out what the
gremlin is.

BTW, what do you use for lineshaft power when the engine is not cooperating?

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Bob Willman
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 08:54 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
> 
> 
> 
> 	Not completely. I will run when it feels like running which isn't 
> very often and not very reliably. I talked with several folks at 
> Portland again and have a couple more things to try. I am still using 
> your electronic ignition system. When I find out what the problem 
> really is, I will probably kick my self for taking this long to find 
> it.
> 
> 
> Bob Willman


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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 29 10:08:55 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:08:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1251561602.25765.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.3.1251561602.25765.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W2424B7B137067C1261FE8ECBF40@phx.gbl>


"Right now a lady at work is very happy to have a large mystery snake in her garden eating all the bugs.
Just today though she told us that it was hissing at her when she was trying to pick some zucchini.
?
Alan in Michigan"

She should listen to the snake.  That stuff isn't good for you.

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



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armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Aug 29 12:04:13 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:04:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <DC4369AB82424BC08B1E828F13A63458@Eagle>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEPDIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Bob:

Well, at least, I was close.  Still a big honkin' engine!

Can't you operate a forge blower, hold the workpiece and hammer on it at the same time?  Geez!  No-talent youngsters!    :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Bob Willman
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 08:28 AM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
> 
> 
> 
> 	Without the Superior running everything is 
> hand powered. Damn! 




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 29 15:45:38 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:45:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W2424B7B137067C1261FE8ECBF40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <435325.57533.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Wuss,,,
I am guessing you don't eat Broccoli either. 8>))
?
Slice some rings off a not too big Zucchini and some off a Yellow-Neck and soften them up in a frying pan then pour sour cream all over them and sprinkle a little dillweed over it all.
I just had a plate of that. Yummy.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 8/29/09, Bruce Younger <sluggo54 at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Bruce Younger <sluggo54 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] snake OT
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 1:08 PM



"Right now a lady at work is very happy to have a large mystery snake in her garden eating all the bugs.
Just today though she told us that it was hissing at her when she was trying to pick some zucchini.
?
Alan in Michigan"

She should listen to the snake.? That stuff isn't good for you.

Bruce Younger???

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68???

Madison, SD? 

sluggo54 at hotmail.com???



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armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."???

E. Hemingway



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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 29 18:07:03 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:07:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Emmanual King Foundry
Message-ID: <354451.95515.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Do any of you know is he is still casting and selling iron cart wheels?
OR, Do you know of another good source for cast iron cart wheels?
?
I need a dozen or so for carts I want to build this Winter.
?
Alan in Michigan

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Aug 29 19:59:20 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:59:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
In-Reply-To: <435325.57533.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <435325.57533.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7a8c0602aea1ef4767b91c92ad1a1b0b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

And if you have some of those MONSTER Zucchini lurking in the garden, cut 'em into
cubes.  Saute them in butter with some chopped onion, hot pepper cheese cubes, and
seasoned croutons.  The cheese melts and sorta binds it all together.  DELISH!!

On Sat, August 29, 2009 6:45 pm, Alan wrote:
> ?
> Slice some rings off a not too big Zucchini and some off a Yellow-Neck and soften
> them up in a frying pan then pour sour cream all over them and sprinkle a little
> dillweed over it all.
> I just had a plate of that. Yummy.




From gastzt at aol.com  Sat Aug 29 20:21:35 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:21:35 EDT
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
Message-ID: <c4b.5b65e1ed.37cb4a3f@aol.com>

Alan,  that sounds GREAT--- and sit there and watch an  old engine run!  LOL
 Stan
Pleasanton, Tx


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Aug 30 05:33:04 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 08:33:04 EDT
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
Message-ID: <c97.4b8fbd1d.37cbcb80@aol.com>

Wife makes zucchini bread.  YUM!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From jbcast at charter.net  Sun Aug 30 07:55:47 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 7:55:47 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEONIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20090830105547.XCUF8.4237035.root@mp08>


-
> 
> What I'm looking for is a small alternator that will make a maximum of 20 amps at 14 volts.  I'd prefer a unit that requires an external regulator (which I will design and build).  I will make a flat belt pulley to drive it from a flywheel of the engine at around 4,000 RPM.  Used is fine as long as it works.  Cheap is excellent, as this project is running way over budget.  :-)  What else is new??!!
> 
> Whatcha got?  What can you suggest (make and model of something I can get the alternator off of at a junkyard.
> 
ELden, the small alternators used on Kubotas and other equipment are usually pricey. All of the new autos use a smaller high output alternator, though I think they all have internal regulators. It shouldn't be a problem to disconnect  the regulator where it ties into the brushes and control it externally, most use a ground side control. The new alternators are usually protected from full fielding", where the regulator tries to get the max out of an idling engine and grounds the field, building up heat and destroying itself. If you need one I'm sure I can find something and send it to you, but you may find something locally for the price of shipping.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Aug 30 10:14:09 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:14:09 +0200
Subject: [SEL] snake but now "Worried":-0
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1251648002.7432.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090830190047.019d7008@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 30/08/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 5
>Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:59:20 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] snake OT
>
>And if you have some of those MONSTER Zucchini lurking in the garden, cut 
>'em into
>cubes.  Saute them in butter with some chopped onion, hot pepper cheese 
>cubes, and
>seasoned croutons.  The cheese melts and sorta binds it all 
>together.  DELISH!!

Hi Arnie,
         I'm really started to get worried about you !!
         This is an engine list but all you post about these days is "Food, 
Beer an wimmen !!"
         Are you O.K.? Have you seen a doctor? Do you think it was a good 
move to go on that E.H.O.W.T. with those Royster chappies?
         Just wondering.
Jerry
P.S. Hope you enjoyed Portland. (was there a lot of beer and many women?) 
Did you get a chance to look at any engines? 



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 30 15:44:37 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:44:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] snake OT,,, OT Zucchine,,, and engines
Message-ID: <559525.52621.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


This is a double O.T.
That does sound good, Arnie.
I can't have those seasoned croutons though.
What are they seasoned with?
I could cube up some of my wheat-free Spelt bread, season it then dry it.
?
This coming long weekend I get to spend it building a firewood shed.
After that though I will build another shed to get the non-engine stuff out of my engine shed so I have room to start building carts for the engines I want to take to Buckley next year.
Before the show next year I have to get two more engines running.
I am not sure what HP the Witte is but the Footed Base Ottawa is a 4HP.
Both engines will be easy to fire up and be nice Hit-n-Miss runners for the display.
The Witte will get to power my second two-hole corn sheller.
The Footed Base Ottawa will have fun running again as it powers one of my feed grinders.
Next year we won't have Steve Barr there to grind the corn,,,
AND,,, instead of that little 800 pounds of corn to shell and grind will are planning on doing 2400 pounds.
?
I am still looking for cart wheels for three engine carts and two corn sheller carts.
?
?
Alan in Michigan
?


--- On Sat, 8/29/09, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:


From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] snake OT
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 10:59 PM


And if you have some of those MONSTER Zucchini lurking in the garden, cut 'em into
cubes.? Saute them in butter with some chopped onion, hot pepper cheese cubes, and
seasoned croutons.? The cheese melts and sorta binds it all together.? DELISH!!

On Sat, August 29, 2009 6:45 pm, Alan wrote:
> ?
> Slice some rings off a not too big Zucchini and some off a Yellow-Neck and soften
> them up in a frying pan then pour sour cream all over them and sprinkle a little
> dillweed over it all.
> I just had a plate of that. Yummy.


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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Aug 30 17:35:31 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:35:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
Message-ID: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>

Hi All, Just arrived home from Portland. Turned on FOX news and was  
informed that Mt Wilson Observatory is in danger of burning! Anyone in  
KA have any updated information?
	Dave


From MBellar at aol.com  Sun Aug 30 17:41:30 2009
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:41:30 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Emmanual King Foundry
Message-ID: <d12.2972e03e.37cc763a@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 8/29/2009 9:18:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rustaholic777 at yahoo.com writes:

Do any  of you know is he is still casting and selling iron cart wheels?
OR, Do you  know of another good source for cast iron cart  wheels?



Alan;
I purchased a set of IH wheels from him last year (5/08). He included a  
Cattail Foundry Catalog of cart castings. His voicemail number is  
717-661-9172. 
Tom Bellar


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Aug 30 17:49:52 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:49:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
Message-ID: <7C6A060DB144412D9D37AEC51C384628@REGsServer>

Just checked it out on Google.
They are in trouble!! Road cut by fire and they are trapped. Fire crews were 
recalled but are also cut off.

Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

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From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????


> Hi All, Just arrived home from Portland. Turned on FOX news and was
> informed that Mt Wilson Observatory is in danger of burning! Anyone in
> KA have any updated information?
> Dave
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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sun Aug 30 18:23:32 2009
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:23:32 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
	<7C6A060DB144412D9D37AEC51C384628@REGsServer>
Message-ID: <969944446F214678A20EB1B6256A0F43@your46e94owx6a>

There should be lot of open areas that would be safe 
although very uncomfortable. I don'y know about Mt Wilson 
but many of the buildings
on Palomar were made of cast concrete including the roof. 
George Hale wanted buildings that would be fireproof.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, California U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reg Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????


Just checked it out on Google.
They are in trouble!! Road cut by fire and they are trapped. 
Fire crews were
recalled but are also cut off.

Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????


> Hi All, Just arrived home from Portland. Turned on FOX 
> news and was
> informed that Mt Wilson Observatory is in danger of 
> burning! Anyone in
> KA have any updated information?
> Dave
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From lfevans at pacbell.net  Sun Aug 30 19:34:41 2009
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:34:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>

Dave and all,

I have been monitoring the situation closely and get conflicting reports.

The Observatory is definitely threatened by fire but the degree of threat 
depends on who you listen to.  I do know the fire has gotten as close as 
two miles and then seemed to retreat some.  Since all the TV and radio 
broadcast towers for the Los Angeles basin are located on the same ridge 
and adjacent to the Observatory you would think that if the area was in 
immediate danger of burning the newscasters would spend lots of time 
covering the area but they will mention the possibility and then move on to 
something important like baseball scores or ???

For what I consider reliable information go to:
http://www.mtwilson.edu/
and about half way down on the left click on "Station" fire threatens Mt. 
Wilson.  This is current information written by the Director of the 
Observatory who is in contact with the two staff persons that are there to 
aid the fire crews that have been there since yesterday clearing brush and 
doing all they can to help defend the area.

All the main buildings are as fire proof as the technology of 1910 provided 
for with concrete construction, corrugated steel roofs, metal shutters on 
the windows, etc.  In my estimation if a fire were to sweep through there 
should be minimal damage as far as the telescopes are concerned.  The 
powerhouse where the 1911 50 hp Fairbanks Morse Type RE is should also 
provide good protection.

I will try to keep you updated as I hear anything new.

Larry Evans

At 05:35 PM 8/30/2009, you wrote:
>Hi All, Just arrived home from Portland. Turned on FOX news and was
>informed that Mt Wilson Observatory is in danger of burning! Anyone in
>KA have any updated information?
>         Dave
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Aug 30 20:15:55 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:15:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <20090819011657.F05F08DCB@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <7168A11D9B17461BBC96B76699939533@DBTOA000>

Well I had fun at Portland as always.  It was a bit of an eventful time
for me though with a lot of things happening on the side.  

I almost created a pile up around Indy when a lady stopped short in
front of me, I discovered I left my clothes at home when I got to the
hotel, I had a mishap at quick mart before I arrived at Portland, etc.,
etc.  But, I made it there and home and had a lot of fun.  

I got to chat with several on the ATIS List and I apologize to those I
didn't get to.  Thanks to all the SEL Gang for your kindness and
friendship.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY







From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Aug 30 20:31:08 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:31:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
References: <7168A11D9B17461BBC96B76699939533@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <000601ca29eb$7ae2ae90$d0624b47@mikecomp>

It was good to see you there and The Miami was a beauty to behold!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:15 PM
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09


> Well I had fun at Portland as always.  It was a bit of an eventful time
> for me though with a lot of things happening on the side.  
> 
> I almost created a pile up around Indy when a lady stopped short in
> front of me, I discovered I left my clothes at home when I got to the
> hotel, I had a mishap at quick mart before I arrived at Portland, etc.,
> etc.  But, I made it there and home and had a lot of fun.  
> 
> I got to chat with several on the ATIS List and I apologize to those I
> didn't get to.  Thanks to all the SEL Gang for your kindness and
> friendship.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 20:44:04 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:44:04 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C6C18424.24C8%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>


Thanks for the report Larry. I would hate to think of the observatory and
that lovely F-M being lost in a fire.
All the buildings and telescopes at the big observatory down at Canberra
were lost in the big fire a few years ago.


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 30 21:55:19 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:55:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Was snake, now Zucchini OT
Message-ID: <BAY127-W8091DA3EA3D6DADA66BC8CBF20@phx.gbl>


On zucchini, I jest - a bit.  A neighbor gave us several of a new to me variety called globe zucchini.  They are the size of a small watermelon.  My DIL prepared them by stuffing with sausage, dried apricots, and couscous.  My problem with it was I ate too much.

Many years back a neighbor sold his house and moved, but it wouldn't be re-occupied for six weeks.  He asked me to keep the place mowed and the squash picked.  Being a Californian, and an officer at that, he had planted a giant hill of 9 kinds of squash.  Before two weeks were out, the neighbors would see me hit the sidewalk with arms full, pulling a radio flyer, and the you could hear the doors slamming for blocks.  I found one I had missed, that was the diameter of a football and three times as long.  The German GI wife across the street nearly begged for that one.  She said she split them lengthwise, cleaned out half the innards, stuffed with rice and sausage and spices, then tied them with string and baked.  She called me over for a sample, and we have been preparing them that way now for over forty years, along with yellow crooknecks.

And I do eat broccoli, but only on breezy days.

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

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From rob at rustyiron.com  Sun Aug 30 22:03:09 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:03:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <7C6A060DB144412D9D37AEC51C384628@REGsServer>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
	<7C6A060DB144412D9D37AEC51C384628@REGsServer>
Message-ID: <0316C157-F655-4750-98A4-771DE56F6F08@rustyiron.com>

Hey, Reg.

The web cam is now showing flames that look as if they're right below  
the hillside leading to the antennae.  The antennae are about half a  
mile away from the observatory, at the same elevation.  I'll be  
watching the camera for a little while longer and will keep you updated.


	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Aug 30, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Reg Ingold wrote:

> Just checked it out on Google.
> They are in trouble!! Road cut by fire and they are trapped. Fire  
> crews were
> recalled but are also cut off.



From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Mon Aug 31 02:09:09 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:09:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A9B9335.1080303@steamengine.com.au>

Larry - I bet you're glad you repaired that big fire pump now!

Hopefully everything will be ok. From what I remember of Mt Wilson there 
isn't that much really significant brush around the observatory with 
reasonable distance from the buildings except for the engine house which 
has trees right next to it?

Regards
Paul

Larry Evans wrote:
> Dave and all,
>
> I have been monitoring the situation closely and get conflicting reports.
>
>   



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Aug 31 02:35:28 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:35:28 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com><6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<4A9B9335.1080303@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <72C11602BC0E4C3BB915D71C81AA1815@REGsServer>

I just looked at the latest pic from the on line camera.
It looks just like here in Oz in fire season.
(Which has started really early this year.)
Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Pavlinovich" <pjp08 at steamengine.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????


> Larry - I bet you're glad you repaired that big fire pump now!
>
> Hopefully everything will be ok. From what I remember of Mt Wilson there
> isn't that much really significant brush around the observatory with
> reasonable distance from the buildings except for the engine house which
> has trees right next to it?
>
> Regards
> Paul
>
> Larry Evans wrote:
>> Dave and all,
>>
>> I have been monitoring the situation closely and get conflicting reports.
>>
>>
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 04:21:02 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:21:02 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160908310421w31e858ffj56f074baaa9cd789@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/31 David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>:
> Hi All, Just arrived home from Portland. Turned on FOX news and was
> informed that Mt Wilson Observatory is in danger of burning! Anyone in
> KA have any updated information?
> ? ? ? ?Dave

There's a fair bit of pine and other stuff on that ridge where the
observatory is located, and a lot of needles on the ground when we
were there.

Hope it misses that area, it's a great place to visit with Larry & Ken.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 04:16:50 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:16:50 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <7168A11D9B17461BBC96B76699939533@DBTOA000>
References: <20090819011657.F05F08DCB@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<7168A11D9B17461BBC96B76699939533@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <6f6025160908310416u1f8c9202g3006dca4913b8155@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/31 Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:
> Well I had fun at Portland as always. ?It was a bit of an eventful time
> for me though with a lot of things happening on the side.
>
> I almost created a pile up around Indy when a lady stopped short in
> front of me, I discovered I left my clothes at home when I got to the
> hotel, I had a mishap at quick mart before I arrived at Portland, etc.,
> etc. ?But, I made it there and home and had a lot of fun.
>
> I got to chat with several on the ATIS List and I apologize to those I
> didn't get to. ?Thanks to all the SEL Gang for your kindness and
> friendship.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY

We had a trip like that in 2003 to Portland....

Missed it all this year, sure miss the folks and the engines! should
be back over next, but had a good few days at Zolfo in March and have
a week in SanFran to look forward to in October.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 31 08:48:37 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:48:37 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
Message-ID: <23452757.1251733717898.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>



-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>Sent: Aug 30, 2009 10:31 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>
>It was good to see you there and The Miami was a beauty to behold!
>
>MR

Watch out there Tommy, when a Royster uses a sentence like the above it can be considered the start of an offer to sucker you out of that fine Miami you had there.

Tim Christoff


From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Aug 31 08:49:21 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:49:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W184D11C0A5A7814A89DF36C2F60@phx.gbl>
References: <c0f.57163c41.37c7d890@aol.com>
	<BLU102-W184D11C0A5A7814A89DF36C2F60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090831154920.498898E9D@smtp.wcoil.com>

Oh now Tom you forget to mention the other reason 
for going,  intake of numerous adult beverages. GRINNN     Mark

At 08:58 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:

>Only reason I'm going is to pick up some new 
>toys that are getting delivered and to deliver 
>some engines that are already sold.
>
>
>
>I'm picking up a sideshaft 8 HP Weber and a 
>early ported exhaust 6 HP Domestic  :)
>
>
>Tom Winland
>
>Ohio
>
>
> > From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com
> > Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:39:44 -0400
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
> >
> > Why go now Tom all the deals are gone. Take a go cart with you and have
> > some fun.
> > KK
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/27/2009 8:38:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > gasenginetom at hotmail.com writes:
> >
> > I'm not there yet, I won't be there till tomorrow :(
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom Winland
> >
> > Ohio
> >
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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 08:58:34 2009
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:58:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>

" Since all the TV and radio broadcast towers for the Los Angeles basin are
located on the same ridge and adjacent to the Observatory.."

I have a feeling that all effort will be directed to saving TV and radio
with the obsevatory being a secondary beneficiary. We do have our priorities
here.

Paul in Northern California


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Aug 31 09:28:41 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:28:41 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Gib key puller revisited
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090831181431.021143d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys 'n Gals,
         Many of you will remember the gib key puller I designed a few 
years back and had an article published in the Oct/Nov 2007 edition of "Gas 
Engine Magazine"
         I've just had another difficult gib key to remove - this one on a 
relatively new (1953) Lister CS 5/1. It was not rusted but had just been 
hammered in too tight and had paint on it to make matters worse.
         I combined my ideas with a method described by Kerry Morris from 
Australia to make this one. It worked very well. Thanks for sharing your 
ideas Kerry.

I've put a page here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/gibpull/page2.htm>
for whoever would like to see it.

The page on my original puller is here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/gibpull/index.htm>

and Kerry's page is here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/National%20Key.html>

Thanks again to you Kerry for sharing your expertise.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Aug 31 09:48:41 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:48:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <23452757.1251733717898.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <7D98044576324931BBA3BDF5D0DC2946@tommyd0x52gkco>

Well Tim, looks like he's already pulled it off.  I traded that big old
black hunk of iron for a smaller green one.  Mike guaranteed me the
green one I traded for was the only one like it on the planet.  Come to
find out when I asked him what made this 3 HP M special he said "It's
the only one on earth that has that Serial Number".... Have I been
snookered or what?

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




>It was good to see you there and The Miami was a beauty to behold!
>
>MR

Watch out there Tommy, when a Royster uses a sentence like the above it
can be considered the start of an offer to sucker you out of that fine
Miami you had there.

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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 31 09:59:27 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:59:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
In-Reply-To: <20090831154920.498898E9D@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <c0f.57163c41.37c7d890@aol.com>
	<BLU102-W184D11C0A5A7814A89DF36C2F60@phx.gbl> 
	<20090831154920.498898E9D@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W2927CD0E1759B69C521790C2F20@phx.gbl>


Thanks Mark,  yes we did consume many beverages  :)   lol
 
> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:49:21 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> From: frappi at wcoil.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
> 
> Oh now Tom you forget to mention the other reason 
> for going, intake of numerous adult beverages. GRINNN Mark
> 
> At 08:58 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:
> 
> >Only reason I'm going is to pick up some new 
> >toys that are getting delivered and to deliver 
> >some engines that are already sold.
> >
> >
> >
> >I'm picking up a sideshaft 8 HP Weber and a 
> >early ported exhaust 6 HP Domestic :)
> >
> >
> >Tom Winland
> >
> >Ohio
> >
> >
> > > From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com
> > > Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:39:44 -0400
> > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
> > >
> > > Why go now Tom all the deals are gone. Take a go cart with you and have
> > > some fun.
> > > KK
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 8/27/2009 8:38:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > gasenginetom at hotmail.com writes:
> > >
> > > I'm not there yet, I won't be there till tomorrow :(
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tom Winland
> > >
> > > Ohio
> > >
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 31 10:02:50 2009
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:02:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Rollag
Message-ID: <709231.33765.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
We are going to be heading out Friday afternoon for Rollag. If you are going to be there and want to meet up, give me a shout.
Later,
Joe
Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
608-434-3399, cell phone
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan


      


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 31 10:24:57 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:24:57 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
Message-ID: <8361525.1251739497659.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

There GOOOOD!  Maybe I had better go and check my trailer as I never looked under the tarp after loading up in Portland.  They could have pulled a switch on me as well.  I should have been on gaurd after the little grab and stash done at the back forty when a couple of nice brass badges in the shape of oil can dissapeared and you can guess what two brothers errrr I mean names came up in that whole deal.  Of course they blamed that nice person named Arnie and the elder Dave for the wrong doings.  Now that I think about it, Steve did have a slight stagger to his walk when leaving the back 40 as though somthing was stashed in his pocket.

Those Oyster boys are slick.

Tim Christoff

-----Original Message-----
>From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>Sent: Aug 31, 2009 11:48 AM
>To: 'The SEL email discussion list' <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>
>Well Tim, looks like he's already pulled it off.  I traded that big old
>black hunk of iron for a smaller green one.  Mike guaranteed me the
>green one I traded for was the only one like it on the planet.  Come to
>find out when I asked him what made this 3 HP M special he said "It's
>the only one on earth that has that Serial Number".... Have I been
>snookered or what?
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
>>It was good to see you there and The Miami was a beauty to behold!
>>
>>MR
>
>Watch out there Tommy, when a Royster uses a sentence like the above it
>can be considered the start of an offer to sucker you out of that fine
>Miami you had there.
>
>Tim Christoff
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Aug 31 11:55:19 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:55:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <8361525.1251739497659.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <075444E15FAF4F87B2F3F7A8C37EEA4F@tommyd0x52gkco>

That's an understatement Tim!!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




Those Oyster boys are slick.

Tim Christoff





From pwaugh at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug 31 12:32:47 2009
From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:32:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
References: <075444E15FAF4F87B2F3F7A8C37EEA4F@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <4645E445A9E0417A8346E0019681A6A8@PAULDESKTOP>

Now I thought they were real nice gentlemen ::))

Paul - IN
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09


> That's an understatement Tim!!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Those Oyster boys are slick.
> 
> Tim Christoff
> 
> 
> 
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 31 13:42:52 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:42:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
Message-ID: <4734062.1251751372471.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Thats just it Paul, they are real nice gentlemen but that doesn't say anything about their engine aqusitions nor how they store them.

Tim Christoff

-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Waugh <pwaugh at embarqmail.com>
>Sent: Aug 31, 2009 3:32 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>
>Now I thought they were real nice gentlemen ::))
>
>Paul - IN
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>
>
>> That's an understatement Tim!!
>> 
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Those Oyster boys are slick.
>> 
>> Tim Christoff
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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>
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Aug 31 13:55:37 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:55:37 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Onslow Park Vintage rally
Message-ID: <000d01ca2a7d$65951c70$42920556@intrepid>

I have put this years pictures up on Picasaweb.
It seems to be better than webshots & is free.
I have given a general view of what the show entails. see
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/OnslowPark09#
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Mon Aug 31 14:20:06 2009
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:20:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Rollag
In-Reply-To: <709231.33765.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <945671.31368.qm@web82003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Joe...Better hurry up.... I plan on being there on Friday and then McGrath MN on Saturday....

Steve

--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Joe Prindle <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Joe Prindle <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [SEL] Rollag
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 12:02 PM
> Hi all,
> We are going to be heading out Friday afternoon for Rollag.
> If you are going to be there and want to meet up, give me a
> shout.
> Later,
> Joe
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> 608-434-3399, cell phone
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me
> happy." Spike Milligan
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Aug 31 14:56:10 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:56:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
References: <4734062.1251751372471.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <003401ca2a85$da010f80$d0624b47@mikecomp>

What is all this scurrilous libel being thrown at me and my sibling???  Just 
because Tim backed out of the deal where I bought his New Way twin for fifty 
dollars sight unseen?  Or is he sore because a 6 year old little girl beat 
him out of a King Dick at the charity auction?  And where exactly are our 
badges entrusted to Arnie from the EHOWT?  First he was shipping them for us 
then they were held hostage!  Next thing I know they disappeared and 
Christoff is grinning like a mule eating briars!  Now as far as the Judge 
goes, that dirty old Miami engine was a burden and that "rare M" is a 
beauty!  Why all these alleged incidents may be real or may be imagination, 
but if you don't come to Portland you sure miss out on the rumors.  I hope 
Keith Kinney has had a delicious meal on the John Deere china by now!!!!!!!

MR (still, the good brother)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09


> Thats just it Paul, they are real nice gentlemen but that doesn't say 
> anything about their engine aqusitions nor how they store them.
>
> Tim Christoff
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Paul Waugh <pwaugh at embarqmail.com>
>>Sent: Aug 31, 2009 3:32 PM
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>>
>>Now I thought they were real nice gentlemen ::))
>>
>>Paul - IN
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:55 PM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>>
>>
>>> That's an understatement Tim!!
>>>
>>> Tommy Turner
>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Those Oyster boys are slick.
>>>
>>> Tim Christoff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Aug 31 14:57:15 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:57:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
References: <075444E15FAF4F87B2F3F7A8C37EEA4F@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<4645E445A9E0417A8346E0019681A6A8@PAULDESKTOP>
Message-ID: <003901ca2a86$005b05f0$d0624b47@mikecomp>

You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar, and there are few of us left!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Waugh" <pwaugh at embarqmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09


> Now I thought they were real nice gentlemen ::))
> 
> Paul - IN
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
> 
> 
>> That's an understatement Tim!!
>> 
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Those Oyster boys are slick.
>> 
>> Tim Christoff
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
> 
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Aug 31 14:57:56 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:57:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
References: <4734062.1251751372471.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <004201ca2a86$1d6282e0$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Blue tarps are accepted in all 100 counties in scenic NC.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09


> Thats just it Paul, they are real nice gentlemen but that doesn't say 
> anything about their engine aqusitions nor how they store them.
>
> Tim Christoff
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Paul Waugh <pwaugh at embarqmail.com>
>>Sent: Aug 31, 2009 3:32 PM
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>>
>>Now I thought they were real nice gentlemen ::))
>>
>>Paul - IN
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:55 PM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>>
>>
>>> That's an understatement Tim!!
>>>
>>> Tommy Turner
>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Those Oyster boys are slick.
>>>
>>> Tim Christoff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>
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From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug 31 16:45:02 2009
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurSouthwell)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:45:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEOPIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <B52CDCA139FE4FA98F7032FA92623F5C@ArthurSpare>

Elden,
If you aren't in a terrific hurry, I'll bring you a permenant magnet, 10 amp 
Kubota alternator on or about Sept. 11th. about 3 inches

Art




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.


Alan:

Yes, I don't have a whole lot of power out of the 12.5 cubic inch Hvid I 
built.  I figure I should be able to make 10-15 amps at full engine output. 
You can see the engine on my website below.

I'll design my regulator so I have an output current adjustment.  That way, 
I can set the max. load so the engine can just barely pull it.  The battery 
will supply the peak power required over that the alternator can supply.

I may just go to Pick-A-Part and find something that looks likely.

THEN, I have to find a motor of about 1/4 HP.




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Aug 31 18:27:55 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:27:55 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com><6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com><6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS3C352D298C040B2F6C3E3BBF10@phx.gbl>

Thank you Paul..been watching it all day as our greatest fear is forest 
fire.  I would agree with your statement and was glad to see the 727's and 
747's dumping water.  I am in awe!!!!!!!!!

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????


> " Since all the TV and radio broadcast towers for the Los Angeles basin 
> are
> located on the same ridge and adjacent to the Observatory.."
>
> I have a feeling that all effort will be directed to saving TV and radio
> with the obsevatory being a secondary beneficiary. We do have our 
> priorities
> here.
>
> Paul in Northern California
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> 


From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Aug 31 19:54:57 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:54:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <B52CDCA139FE4FA98F7032FA92623F5C@ArthurSpare>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEAEIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Hey, Art:

Thanks, my friend for the alternator!  I'll give you the Delco starter/generator as an exchange gift.  All it needs is an armature.   :-)

Is Sept 11th the date of the Panhandle Pioneer Settlement thing?  If so, I can bring the Hvid, meetcha at the show and we can swap dynamos and some lies.  What fun!

Lemme know the times.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> ArthurSouthwell
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 06:45 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
> 
> 
> Elden,
> If you aren't in a terrific hurry, I'll bring you 
> a permenant magnet, 10 amp 
> Kubota alternator on or about Sept. 11th. about 3 inches
> 
> Art




From riga_fire at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 31 19:11:31 2009
From: riga_fire at yahoo.com (Paul Russell)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:11:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] "OT" Mt. Wilson "OT"
In-Reply-To: <0316C157-F655-4750-98A4-771DE56F6F08@rustyiron.com>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
	<7C6A060DB144412D9D37AEC51C384628@REGsServer>
	<0316C157-F655-4750-98A4-771DE56F6F08@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <96664.45441.qm@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Received this tonight. Don't know if there is anything good here or not as I am on dial up. I will check it tomorrow when on a faster putter.
?
?
?
UPDATE: 2 LOS ANGELES COUNTY FIREFIGHTERS DIE IN THE LINE OF DUTY
The Secret List www.FireFighterCloseCalls.com 
?
2 Los Angeles County?Firefighters gave their lives Sunday when they were driven?off the side of a road in heavy smoke and into heavy fire conditions in the Mt. Gleason area, south of Acton, around?1430 Hours.?Killed in the Line of Duty were FF Specialist Arnaldo "Arnie" Quinones, 35 and Captain?Tedmund "Ted" Hall, 47. Captain Hall had been with the LA County FD for 26 years and Arnie Quinones had been with the department 8 years.
?
MUST SEE: LIVE FIRE CAM:
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/towercam.htm#imagetop
From the Mount Wilson Observatory, Mt. Wilson, CA. (Image will automatically refresh every 2 minutes in most web browsers.)
?
VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvlWcvlZ6OA&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngOTx4Yb5ks
?
INTERACTIVE FIRE MAP:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-la-fire-map-html,0,7464337.htmlstory
?
News and public?info, photos and video of this reported out of control fire is?posted at:
http://inciweb.org/incident/1856/
www.cbs2.com 
www.KTLA.com 
www.myfoxla.com 
www.nbclosangeles.com 
www.abc7.com 
Take Care-BE CAREFUL. Our sincere condolences to all affected.
BillyG
The Secret List 8-31-09 /?0658 Hours




________________________________
From: Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 1:03:09 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????

Hey, Reg.

The web cam is now showing flames that look as if they're right below? 
the hillside leading to the antennae.? The antennae are about half a? 
mile away from the observatory, at the same elevation.? I'll be? 
watching the camera for a little while longer and will keep you updated.


??? 
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Aug 30, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Reg Ingold wrote:

> Just checked it out on Google.
> They are in trouble!! Road cut by fire and they are trapped. Fire? 
> crews were
> recalled but are also cut off.

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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Aug 31 19:21:01 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:21:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com><6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com><8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY113-DS3C352D298C040B2F6C3E3BBF10@phx.gbl>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com><6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com><8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY113-DS3C352D298C040B2F6C3E3BBF10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS7F4C860F652CB5B117AEABBF10@phx.gbl>

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/towercam.htm


ouch..4 hrs. ago, it was two ridges away...so they said


From riga_fire at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 31 20:06:34 2009
From: riga_fire at yahoo.com (Paul Russell)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:06:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] "OT" Mt. Wilson "OT"
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DS7F4C860F652CB5B117AEABBF10@phx.gbl>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com><6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com><8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY113-DS3C352D298C040B2F6C3E3BBF10@phx.gbl>
	<BAY113-DS7F4C860F652CB5B117AEABBF10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <401701.5015.qm@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Here is the update from tonight..

Hey,
Here is an UPDATE on the fire and also below is a story about the 2 Firefighters who lost their lives yesterday. NOTE that 105,000 acres of mountainous brush across northern Los Angeles County is showing little sign of slowing down late this afternoon as it threatened 12,000 homes in suburban tracts and desert communities, along with a historic observatory and major array of television and radio transmission towers. 
?
FIRE INFORMATION-STATUS REPORT 1700 PDT:

-As per LA County - 105,000 acres - 75 miles left to build - 3,670 firefighters on scene - no accurate number of buildings burnt - 2 comm sites damaged or destroyed (Mt Lukens & Mt Desperation) - Mt Wilson was OK as of 5 minutes ago - air attack said repeater (towers) were still standing - Santa Clarita will be a spike camp - have given permission to air group to use 747 if it can be effective - it will come from Sacramento (a 55 minute trip) - no change in weather expected for next 4 to 5 days

-As Per LA County Chief - 2 LODD Firefighters?were protecting Camp 16 with 60 other firefighters - Camp 16 was destroyed - the 2 LODD were advised that the fire was coming fast - the two got into a vehicle and attempted to move it - they went 800 feet down - many FFs were injured attempting a rescue (not seriously) - fire is 5 miles from Agua Dulce - fire is 6 or 7 miles from Little Rock - hundred of homes have been saved so far.
-Unified Command is - ANF + LA County + LA City
-At 2021 it was reported that 53 homes destroyed at Sunnyvale
-747 lining up to a drop now -?2033 Hours?EDT
?
?
ABOUT THE 2 FIREFIGHTERS WHO DIED IN THE LINE OF DUTY:
http://firefighterclosecalls.com/fullstory.php?92224
Take Care-BE CAREFUL.
BillyG
The Secret List 8-31-09 / 2139 hours




________________________________
From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:21:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/towercam.htm


ouch..4 hrs. ago, it was two ridges away...so they said
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 31 20:25:13 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:25:13 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
Message-ID: <13368465.1251775514001.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I only stopped bidding because she really wanted that King Dick Wrench and it seems that after you reneged on the deal I was caught a bit short.

Tim (who has no knowledge of badges from EHOWT)

-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>Sent: Aug 31, 2009 4:56 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>
>What is all this scurrilous libel being thrown at me and my sibling???  Just 
>because Tim backed out of the deal where I bought his New Way twin for fifty 
>dollars sight unseen?  Or is he sore because a 6 year old little girl beat 
>him out of a King Dick at the charity auction?  And where exactly are our 
>badges entrusted to Arnie from the EHOWT?  First he was shipping them for us 
>then they were held hostage!  Next thing I know they disappeared and 
>Christoff is grinning like a mule eating briars!  Now as far as the Judge 
>goes, that dirty old Miami engine was a burden and that "rare M" is a 
>beauty!  Why all these alleged incidents may be real or may be imagination, 
>but if you don't come to Portland you sure miss out on the rumors.  I hope 
>Keith Kinney has had a delicious meal on the John Deere china by now!!!!!!!
>
>MR (still, the good brother)
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:42 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>
>
>> Thats just it Paul, they are real nice gentlemen but that doesn't say 
>> anything about their engine aqusitions nor how they store them.
>>
>> Tim Christoff
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Paul Waugh <pwaugh at embarqmail.com>
>>>Sent: Aug 31, 2009 3:32 PM
>>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>>>
>>>Now I thought they were real nice gentlemen ::))
>>>
>>>Paul - IN
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:55 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>>>
>>>
>>>> That's an understatement Tim!!
>>>>
>>>> Tommy Turner
>>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Those Oyster boys are slick.
>>>>
>>>> Tim Christoff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
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>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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From k_armstrong at arach.net.au  Sat Aug  1 02:09:44 2009
From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 17:09:44 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine engine ....Australian members
References: <E47E41FCBD084D72ABF38A3A310EC9E9@your9e74d7efa7><C4978E01174F4DC889ADA99DEEAD9CFD@armstrong>
	<49034796B92A4798AEFBA22859EBCA22@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <1398C273E00E4BB0B3C0C19318CB0E8B@armstrong>

The question was

Hello peter,
>> Did you get a reply for this email as I have one and in need of
>> information
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine engine

And then the massive emails come thru, some replied with good information 
others want to rip you apart, yes I have read many emails and not knowing 
the answer never responded, some people use acronyms which will not mean 
much to people that don't know.
I get 35 to 40 emails a day and with different formats the screen may look 
the same at the start so I delete it.
Some people attacked Kerry and Peter but ignored me who was the person 
asking the question.
May be I should have emailed Peter direct and then the answers would be 
private and only we would have the information.????


Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member
V.C.C. of WA. member
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Sunshine engine ....Australian members


> Hi Kevin...........No  response at all  through SEL .  I have given up 
> with
> SEL ,it consists of US content mainly . Those Australians that are on it
> seem to completly absorbed in the US.
> However I have been able to contact a former member of the now defunct 
> TOMMS
> Forum .This was done through a network of very good and helpful ex members
> .We are going to establish this network to help us with our questions and
> answers. If you are interested let me know and I will add your email 
> address
> to the list.
> Regarding the Sunshine Engine , what information do you want, if I have it 
> I
> will let you know
> regards Peter Ogborne.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "kevin armstrong" <k_armstrong at arach.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 7:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Sunshine engine ....Australian members
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>> Hello peter,
>> Did you get a reply for this email as i have one and in need of
>> information
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>> regards
>>
>> Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
>> Collectors of old things
>> Perth
>> WA
>> Australia
>> Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member
>> V.C.C. of WA. member
>> k_armstrong at arach.net.au
>> www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 4:41 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] Sunshine engine ....Australian members
>>
>>
>>> Is there anyone please who is familier with this engine .It is the
>>> vertical two stroke . I would like an explanation of the governor and 
>>> the
>>> carburator.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Sat Aug  1 03:32:58 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 20:32:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] List Maners
In-Reply-To: <D9330323CDEA4F1AA07D5A301BF73474@KerryPC>
References: <E47E41FCBD084D72ABF38A3A310EC9E9@your9e74d7efa7><C4978E01174F4DC889ADA99DEEAD9CFD@armstrong><49034796B92A4798AEFBA22859EBCA22@acer8ff47bfe9a><E9F1735BD98E47D59D823399248400C9@KerryPC>
	<D9330323CDEA4F1AA07D5A301BF73474@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <BCA9F755D0F041F2BFEC7774849F09E1@KerryPC>


G'Day All
Thanks you those that replied, I think the number of replies although good 
it shows that most of us fit into one of  the 1-7 list.
some interesting replies with some thought put into it.
I will at least put more effort and try to help/reply when I can.

> G'Day All
>
> Question in general, is there a increasing lack of people getting involved
> in discussion where help is asked.
>
> My thoughts on reasons.
> 1. I know little or nothing about a particular engine but will wait for an
> answer to increase my knowledge.
> 2. I don't care, I don't have that engine so just delete the post
> 3. others know better so let them answer (they have in the past).
> 4. last time I tried to help, I jot blasted by others, so stuff it.
> 5. last time I tried to help I got no reply so not wasting my time again,
> 6. I only read the list and seldom post even if I could help.
> 7. I don't like him so will not answer.
>



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Aug  1 10:00:36 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:00:36 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine engine ....Australian members
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090801184813.01878fa8@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 01/08/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 11
>Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 17:09:44 +0800
>From: "kevin armstrong" <k_armstrong at arach.net.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Sunshine engine ....Australian members
>
>The question was
>Hello peter,
> >> Did you get a reply for this email as I have one and in need of
> >> information
>Subject: [SEL] Sunshine engine
>
>And then the massive emails come thru, some replied with good information
>others want to rip you apart, yes I have read many emails and not knowing
>the answer never responded, some people use acronyms which will not mean
>much to people that don't know.
>I get 35 to 40 emails a day and with different formats the screen may look
>the same at the start so I delete it.
>Some people attacked Kerry and Peter but ignored me who was the person
>asking the question.
>May be I should have emailed Peter direct and then the answers would be
>private and only we would have the information.????
>Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
>Collectors of old things

Hi Kevin,
         May I correct you on one point. I do not think anyone "attacked" 
either Kerry or Peter. A discussion started and people gave their answers 
as Kerry had asked. That's all, I personally did not see any answer that 
"attacked" either of them. For that matter I did not even see one answer 
that was in any way rude or unfriendly. Maybe I missed something.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Aug  1 10:21:12 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:21:12 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  List manners
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090801190228.00b9f480@mail.atech.co.za>


>
>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>Subject: [SEL] List manners
>
>
>Jerry can I slip this in while you take breath?
<Big grin> :-)
Jerry
<big snip>
  Having said that I do feel that the SEL is not what it used to be 
.......of course the replies to that statement will go somewhere else!
>An interesting dilema arises ......should I quote an answer on SEL that is 
>attributed to a non SEL member. I suppose if I re word it it is 
>ethical....what do you think?

Hi Peter,
         Thanks for the reply. Yes I agree that the SEL is not what it used 
to be and I've been a member for a lot less time than you so it must have 
been quite awesome in the early days. There seem to be a lot less questions 
asked these days and correspondingly fewer answers but in my experience 
I've got very useful answers to my questions even if there have only been a 
few. Even though I've only been here 5 years I have seen the drop off and 
it is a subject that has cropped up quite often for discussion. I suppose 
that's just "progress".
         I see no reason for not posting the info from a non member, give 
him the credit but post it.
         On my Maytag coil conversion I learnt most of the info I had from 
"Smokstak" and posted it here but did mention I had got it from "Smokstak". 
Nothing wrong with that - we are all open forums and here to learn and help.
Keep well
Jerry.
P.S. I hope you did not think I or anyone else attacked you as Kevin seemed 
to think!




From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Sat Aug  1 15:39:48 2009
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurSouthwell)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:39:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test
Message-ID: <BDA055710B4A42E490E89D37860CA670@ArthurSpare>

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From kimmell at verizon.net  Sat Aug  1 16:37:27 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (kimmell at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 23:37:27 +0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test
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From gastzt at aol.com  Sat Aug  1 16:49:07 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:49:07 EDT
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test
Message-ID: <c04.65986dc4.37a62e73@aol.com>

IT WORKS GOOD!
  Stan
 Pleasanton, Tx
 old stovers
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy 
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From pwaugh at embarqmail.com  Sat Aug  1 18:40:18 2009
From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 21:40:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test
References: <c04.65986dc4.37a62e73@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6F3DA4090ADB46C7A4E38C41FAA063D4@PAULDESKTOP>

At least the test is not breaking list manners ... is it??, and is sure more 
interesting.

Paul - IN
----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test


> IT WORKS GOOD!
>  Stan
> Pleasanton, Tx
> old stovers
> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 
> easy
> steps!
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From swork at endacomm.com  Sat Aug  1 18:43:18 2009
From: swork at endacomm.com (S. Work)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 21:43:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <9BFBB4F4D5A04DB7960823C6AB0C4CDA@ecsserverwebs>

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From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Sun Aug  2 04:17:50 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Domeney Brothers)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:17:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
Message-ID: <35D19DE309264041B7CCCF57E92FE634@shed>

Hello all
The discussion on "List Maners" (Manners?) and "lurkers" prompts me to come out of lurking and join in.

I haven't had much to say since joining because most of the time the topics are either about engines of which I know nothing (that's a lot!) or semi personal and club talk - travelling, who's doing this at the weekend, did you see that there? etc.

However, my conscience is pricked by the comment that forums work well when more members join in, so here I am (again). 

I have acquired a Lister GK2, but Patrick Knight in his book  A-Z of Brit Stationary Engines states that these were based on US LeRoy engines. Can anyone tell me anything of the LeRoy, please? 

I imagine this Lister was built prior to WWII, as it has a reconditioners plate advising that it was rebuilt in January 1950.

The internal oil flow is interesting. No crankshaft oilways to the big ends, but channels cast around the wall at the base of the block, taking oil from the oil pump to two webs spanning the sump. (the oil pan?) These webs also have channels on the top surface, and dippers on each con rod bearing cap pick up oil from the channels.

It means that oil is kept supplied to the big ends even when the oil level in the sump is way way down. Or being a marine engine, when the engine is at extreme angles in a heavy sea. Very clever!

Anyway, in the interests of generating discussion I would like to know a bit more about LeRoy.

With thanks in advance,

Teddee.
PS Apologies to US readers- I don't know all the terms you use for engine parts.

From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Aug  2 05:28:17 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:28:17 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
References: <35D19DE309264041B7CCCF57E92FE634@shed>
Message-ID: <839F5AE073654F678A6E30271902F4FE@peterlowe>

Hi Teddee
So you lurk no longer, welcome to the group mate
I know nothing about Lister GK2 engines so we will wait to see who does !!
Here is a picture
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1455921838041170552KKSlxp


Peter
Australia





> Hello all
> The discussion on "List Maners" (Manners?) and "lurkers" prompts me to 
> come out of lurking and join in.
>
> I haven't had much to say since joining because most of the time the 
> topics are either about engines of which I know nothing (that's a lot!) or 
> semi personal and club talk - travelling, who's doing this at the weekend, 
> did you see that there? etc.
>
> However, my conscience is pricked by the comment that forums work well 
> when more members join in, so here I am (again).
>
> I have acquired a Lister GK2, but Patrick Knight in his book  A-Z of Brit 
> Stationary Engines states that these were based on US LeRoy engines. Can 
> anyone tell me anything of the LeRoy, please?
>
> I imagine this Lister was built prior to WWII, as it has a reconditioners 
> plate advising that it was rebuilt in January 1950.
>
> The internal oil flow is interesting. No crankshaft oilways to the big 
> ends, but channels cast around the wall at the base of the block, taking 
> oil from the oil pump to two webs spanning the sump. (the oil pan?) These 
> webs also have channels on the top surface, and dippers on each con rod 
> bearing cap pick up oil from the channels.
>
> It means that oil is kept supplied to the big ends even when the oil level 
> in the sump is way way down. Or being a marine engine, when the engine is 
> at extreme angles in a heavy sea. Very clever!
>
> Anyway, in the interests of generating discussion I would like to know a 
> bit more about LeRoy.
>
> With thanks in advance,
>
> Teddee.
> PS Apologies to US readers- I don't know all the terms you use for engine 
> parts.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Aug  2 05:31:56 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 06:31:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
In-Reply-To: <35D19DE309264041B7CCCF57E92FE634@shed>
References: <35D19DE309264041B7CCCF57E92FE634@shed>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS7FBF1508C8DE354C6EEB7BB0E0@phx.gbl>

Teddee, actually it's Le Roi (French for "The King")  I've been told it was 
bought out in the '50's by Waukesau (sp) and all records were destroyed.

Here's mine plus some pictures I've acquired.

[URL=http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/65649488NjdIcx][IMG]http://thumb11.webshots.net/t/64/164/9/34/15/521993415rvJuPz_th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

Well let's see if that link works..if not, we'll try something else.

Regards
RickinMontana


> Anyway, in the interests of generating discussion I would like to know a 
> bit more about LeRoy.
>
> With thanks in advance,
>
> Teddee.
> PS Apologies to US readers- I don't know all the terms you use for engine 
> parts.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Aug  2 05:41:27 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:41:27 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
References: <35D19DE309264041B7CCCF57E92FE634@shed>
	<BAY113-DS7FBF1508C8DE354C6EEB7BB0E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0989B14A5BCC43468CC17E4997807806@peterlowe>

Try this:
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/65649488NjdIcx][IMG]http://thumb11.webshots.net/t/64/164/9/34/15/521993415rvJuPz_th.jpg

Peter, Oz




> Teddee, actually it's Le Roi (French for "The King")  I've been told it 
> was bought out in the '50's by Waukesau (sp) and all records were 
> destroyed.
>
> Here's mine plus some pictures I've acquired.
>
> [URL=http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/65649488NjdIcx][IMG]http://thumb11.webshots.net/t/64/164/9/34/15/521993415rvJuPz_th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
>
> Well let's see if that link works..if not, we'll try something else.
>
> Regards
> RickinMontana
>
>
>> Anyway, in the interests of generating discussion I would like to know a 
>> bit more about LeRoy.
>>
>> With thanks in advance,
>>
>> Teddee.
>> PS Apologies to US readers- I don't know all the terms you use for engine 
>> parts.
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From gastzt at aol.com  Sun Aug  2 06:45:36 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:45:36 EDT
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test
Message-ID: <bf1.5a026aa6.37a6f280@aol.com>

yes---this really IS different-----
 Stan
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy 
steps! 
(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd
=JulystepsfooterNO115)


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Aug  2 10:20:36 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:20:36 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Lister GK2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1249228802.525.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090802182129.02030a80@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 02/08/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 8
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:17:50 +1000
>From: "Domeney Brothers" <dombros2 at clearmail.com.au>
>Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>Hello all
>The discussion on "List Maners" (Manners?) and "lurkers" prompts me to 
>come out of lurking and join in.
>
>I haven't had much to say since joining because most of the time the 
>topics are either about engines of which I know nothing (that's a lot!) or 
>semi personal and club talk - travelling, who's doing this at the weekend, 
>did you see that there? etc.
>
>However, my conscience is pricked by the comment that forums work well 
>when more members join in, so here I am (again).
>
>I have acquired a Lister GK2, but Patrick Knight in his book  A-Z of Brit 
>Stationary Engines states that these were based on US LeRoy engines. Can 
>anyone tell me anything of the LeRoy, please?
>
>I imagine this Lister was built prior to WWII, as it has a reconditioners 
>plate advising that it was rebuilt in January 1950.
>
>The internal oil flow is interesting. No crankshaft oilways to the big 
>ends, but channels cast around the wall at the base of the block, taking 
>oil from the oil pump to two webs spanning the sump. (the oil pan?) These 
>webs also have channels on the top surface, and dippers on each con rod 
>bearing cap pick up oil from the channels.
>
>It means that oil is kept supplied to the big ends even when the oil level 
>in the sump is way way down. Or being a marine engine, when the engine is 
>at extreme angles in a heavy sea. Very clever!
>
>Anyway, in the interests of generating discussion I would like to know a 
>bit more about LeRoy.
>
>With thanks in advance,
>
>Teddee.
>PS Apologies to US readers- I don't know all the terms you use for engine 
>parts.

Hi Tedee,
         Thanks for joining in. Yes, the Lister G1 and G2 were built by 
Lister under licence from the Le Roi Company of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA, 
and are to all intents and puposes identical. (The "K" in yours indicates 
that it was set up to run on Kerosene (Power Paraffin to us in South Africa 
- not sure what you called it in Aus)
         The GK2 had a bore x stroke of 3 3/8" x 4 1/2" and produced 4 3/4 
H.P. @ 700 RPM on kero up to 12 HP @ 1500 RPM on petrol with almost 
infinite variables between (depending on speed.)
         They came in various configurations - radiator cooled, tank 
cooled, gearboxes and sometimes in an enclosure etc.
         I had a Le Roi twin (see it on Rick's website I think - that's 
Richard Strobel - Rick in Montana) until recently when I gave it to a mate 
of mine who really likes twins - I've got more than enough other engines 
waiting for attention and it was better off with him. To the best of my 
knowledge it was the only Le Roi twin left in South Africa - they were 
popular here as the engine on certain borehole drilling rigs.
         I did a lot of searching on the net for info and although there 
are a number of Le Roi's (mostly on Rick's site) I did not find any which 
looked like mine but mine did look pretty identical to the Lister G2.
         The plate on mine stated 3 1/2" x 2 7/8" (bore x stroke) and gave 
the Model No. as VRP1 with Serial No. 238408. There was no reference to 
Horsepower. (Lister GK2 manual states a bore of 3 3/8" and stroke of 4 1/2" 
and   - Lister must have increased the stroke and decreased the bore. 
Comments anyone ?
         So there you go Tedee, that's the sum total of my knowledge about 
Le Roi twin engines.
         I have a Lister G1 & G2 manual which I downloaded from Paul Evans' 
"Internal Fire" site and could supply you with a copy but I'd prefer it if 
you logged on to "Internal Fire" and paid the few bucks necessary (all to a 
good cause) and downloaded it direct.
         Once again, thanks for joining in - that's what makes the lists 
interesting and worthwhile.

P.S. You do not have to apologise to the Yanks - they're not really that 
stupid :-) (This with reference to a big "Faux Pas" I made last year - they 
know what I'm talking about !!)
<big smile>.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Aug  2 10:23:05 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:23:05 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1249228802.525.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090802192136.0203c278@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 02/08/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 06:31:56 -0600
>From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Lister GK2
>
>Teddee, actually it's Le Roi (French for "The King")  I've been told it was
>bought out in the '50's by Waukesau (sp) and all records were destroyed.
>
>Here's mine plus some pictures I've acquired.
>
>[URL=http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/65649488NjdIcx][IMG]http://thumb11.webshots.net/t/64/164/9/34/15/521993415rvJuPz_th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
>Well let's see if that link works..if not, we'll try something else.
>Regards
>RickinMontana
Hi Rick,
         It did not work for me but I've been there before.
Keep well

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Aug  2 12:22:10 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:22:10 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me :-)
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090802192410.02032350@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys & Gals,
         Hold thumbs for me please.
         I'm hot on the trail of a Lister 6/1 diesel (or 5/1 - same engine) 
"radiator cooled" and hope to see it on the back of my pickup in the next 
few days. (The engine that the "Listeroids" were copied from).
         As many of you know, we now have a Black government and they are 
systematically trying their best to destroy all the "infrastructure" built 
up previously! Well, this time it looks like it may just be to my benefit 
if things go the way I hope.
         I have come across 2 radiator cooled Lister diesel 6/1's installed 
together in 1953 as "standby" engines in a boiler room of our South African 
Railways maintenance workshops. They were there to use in the case of 
(electrical) power failures and to keep the "grates" of the boiler working.
         As many of you probably know, we did not have many power failures 
in those days (things worked properly - unlike today). Anyway, these 
engines have been "scrapped" (possibly as part of a scheme to enrich some 
or other govmunt official) and became part of a very large "lot" sold to a 
scrappie.
         I have met with this "scrappie" him and he is quite prepared to 
sell me one at a very reasonable price - unfortunately not both - he'd like 
to keep one for himself but I'm working on that as well (he is NOT a 
collector - just appreciates these kind of things) - can you imagine two of 
these beautiful engines displayed in their original "working clothes" with 
very close serial numbers - Wow - that must be many an engine man's dream. 
Of course the fact that they are both "radiator cooled" is also a major 
plus - most were supplied set up for "tank cooling".
         These Lister engines (only 56 years old in this case - not as 
glamorous as many of your engines) are engines that I have always admired 
but never thought that I would be lucky enough to own. They run beautifully 
and do definitely have their place in the realm of "historically 
significant" stationary engines. (read David Edgingtons book on the CS 
(Cold Start) diesels here:
<http://www.stationaryenginebooks.co.uk/listercs.htm>)

         Hey, It's great to talk about engines for a change :-) (and engine 
dreams maybe).

         Back to the story. I was also lucky enough to meet up with a 
millwright who has spent his whole working life in the same workshops and 
he told me (I have no reason to
disbelieve him) that these 2 engines were never "started in anger" ie. they 
were never called upon to perform the duties for which they were installed 
- the only times that they ran were for regular maintenance and service. He 
surmised that they had not run for more than 50 hours each and again, I 
have no reason not to believe him.
         Please guys - hold thumbs for me here!
         Back to the story!
         I first saw these 2 engines when my brother asked me to go to a 
"preview" of the stuff on auction as he was interested in some lathe parts 
about 3 weeks ago. I saw the engines from a distance but did not go closer 
for a very good reason. My daughter, Jacqui, had her (uninsured) car stolen 
about 2 weeks previous to that and, not being a person of unlimited 
financial means, engines were just not in the budget - another car for 
Jacqui was top priority. (But those engines stayed in the back of my mind :-))
         Well, without trying to be a preacher, a sign from above came by 
means of an unexpected cash paying job that said "Jerry - go and buy that 
engine!". I'm sure that many of you will understand. The rest will, 
hopefully, be history!

         Back to the engine. As I said, I first viewed it from a distance 
and forced myself not to go closer. It seemed to be very dirty - what I 
assumed was oil - and this did not "tie up" with what the millwright had 
told me about "hours run". I called him again and brought this up - his 
answer was, "It's been in a "boiler room" for 50 years, what do you expect 
- that's soot not oil."

         Hey Guys (and Gals) I seriously want that engine now and do 
believe that it has my name on it. The next 4 or 5 days will tell - as I've 
said "please hold thumbs for me!"

         Watch this space.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Aug  2 12:44:37 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:44:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me :-)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090802192410.02032350@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090802192410.02032350@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS5F7C9799CD9FD45954A76BB0E0@phx.gbl>

Give 'er hell, Jerry !! Full Speed ahead !!! Snooze ya lose :-)

Snoozed here way too many times.

Good Luck
RickinMt.


From george at irontrader.com  Sun Aug  2 13:42:15 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (George Best)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:42:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me :-)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090802192410.02032350@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090802192410.02032350@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <000301ca13b1$b8dbc470$2a934d50$@com>

Jerry,

First time I've heard of "Holding thumbs", we usually "cross your fingers"
when wishing or hoping for something.
Is that an African thing?  Or did I just miss out on the holding thumbs
thing? ;-)

Seriously, I hope you get that engine!

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans

Hi Guys & Gals,
         Hey Guys (and Gals) I seriously want that engine now and do 
believe that it has my name on it. The next 4 or 5 days will tell - as I've 
said "please hold thumbs for me!"

         Watch this space.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Sun Aug  2 15:33:10 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:33:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
In-Reply-To: <35D19DE309264041B7CCCF57E92FE634@shed>
References: <35D19DE309264041B7CCCF57E92FE634@shed>
Message-ID: <728EFCE829A4421BA45BF405E1D5CBC0@KerryPC>

G'Day Teddee

Interesting thread, never knew that Lister copied an American engine (Le 
Roi) thanks Rick
Usually others copied Lister and still are.
Kerry
Lithgow NSW Oz


> Hello all
> The discussion on "List Maners" (Manners?) and "lurkers" prompts me to 
> come out of lurking and join in.
>
> I haven't had much to say since joining because most of the time the 
> topics are either about engines of which I know nothing (that's a lot!) or 
> semi personal and club talk - travelling, who's doing this at the weekend, 
> did you see that there? etc.
>
> However, my conscience is pricked by the comment that forums work well 
> when more members join in, so here I am (again).
>
> I have acquired a Lister GK2, but Patrick Knight in his book  A-Z of Brit 
> Stationary Engines states that these were based on US LeRoy engines. Can 
> anyone tell me anything of the LeRoy, please?
>
> I imagine this Lister was built prior to WWII, as it has a reconditioners 
> plate advising that it was rebuilt in January 1950.
>
> The internal oil flow is interesting. No crankshaft oilways to the big 
> ends, but channels cast around the wall at the base of the block, taking 
> oil from the oil pump to two webs spanning the sump. (the oil pan?) These 
> webs also have channels on the top surface, and dippers on each con rod 
> bearing cap pick up oil from the channels.
>
> It means that oil is kept supplied to the big ends even when the oil level 
> in the sump is way way down. Or being a marine engine, when the engine is 
> at extreme angles in a heavy sea. Very clever!
>
> Anyway, in the interests of generating discussion I would like to know a 
> bit more about LeRoy.
>
> With thanks in advance,
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Aug  2 16:20:42 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:20:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
In-Reply-To: <35D19DE309264041B7CCCF57E92FE634@shed>
	<728EFCE829A4421BA45BF405E1D5CBC0@KerryPC>
References: <35D19DE309264041B7CCCF57E92FE634@shed>
	<728EFCE829A4421BA45BF405E1D5CBC0@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS388E8953E6BDB2B32FD84BB0E0@phx.gbl>

This was interesting;

http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/gas-engines/Le-Roi-Legacy.aspx

Rick


From christison at coastalnet.com  Sun Aug  2 17:40:23 2009
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:40:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Gas Power
Message-ID: <4A7631F7.1030907@coastalnet.com>

I do a lot of google book searches, and one that I have found worthwhile 
lately
are issues of Gas Power magazine.  These are full of great ads and 
useful info
on engines and tractors.  The files are large, so a fast connection is a 
must.

http://books.google.com/books?q=editions:0CZKJjGNvSEgPzl4A8&id=tLHNAAAAMAAJ

And here is another one titled Gas Engine:

http://books.google.com/books?q=editions:07Ltb5KJiHDMXPTD9G&id=0_vNAAAAMAAJ&as_brr=1

Hope they wrap for you.  If not you might need to copy and paste the urls.

Hope someone finds this info useful.  There are numerous great books 
available for download,
so if you are interested, you might want to search and download all you 
can before someone decides
they can charge us for them.  The links above are for the full issues, 
and not previews or snippets.

Take care.

Ken





From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Aug  2 18:47:07 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:47:07 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Model engine .colour? ....Sunshine Engine
Message-ID: <91A8E8873A984733A9C8E6E69B3C872B@acer8ff47bfe9a>

This is a question that Reg Ingold may be able answer....if so thanks Reg.
A friend who does not understand computors [is there an acronym for such people?]Anyway this friend has built a model engine from what I believe is a kit made up by Winter . It is a horizontal ,open crank Roseberry. He is desperate to paint it in authentic colours.He asked me and I guessed Brunswick Green with maybe red flywheel spokes am I correct ?

Regarding my previous postings on the Sunshine Engine ...I was quite prepared to share my ''Expertise '' with all but i have never recieved the ''Question''.

From rotigel at me.com  Sun Aug  2 19:17:05 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:17:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] List manners
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090801190228.00b9f480@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090801190228.00b9f480@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <B5E815B2-1FE7-4B3A-88B1-106AACE492AF@me.com>


On Aug 1, 2009, at 1:21 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:
>  On my Maytag coil conversion I learnt most of the info I had from
> "Smokstak" and posted it here but did mention I had got it from  
> "Smokstak".
> Nothing wrong with that - we are all open forums and here to learn  
> and help.
> Keep well
> Jerry.

Why on earth would anyone on an engine list reply to a post about a  
MOTOR?
	Dave



From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 19:20:23 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:20:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Model engine .colour?
In-Reply-To: <91A8E8873A984733A9C8E6E69B3C872B@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <C69C8687.2052%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

The shade of green varies a bit on Buzacotts. My 5.5hp was colour matched
off its original colour:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/buzacott/0702buzacott.jpg
It is probably one of the paler greens I have seen on a Buzacott. The
striping is correct except that the circles on the flywheels should be
filled with yellow.
I don't think they ever had red flywheel spokes.


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Aug  2 19:33:50 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:33:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Model engine .colour? ....Sunshine Engine
In-Reply-To: <91A8E8873A984733A9C8E6E69B3C872B@acer8ff47bfe9a>
References: <91A8E8873A984733A9C8E6E69B3C872B@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <4AB5DBAD11A4405C831E85D82DDF6CC9@REG>

Brunswick green is the colour. Lining was red or yellow
See my website. Models.
Half size Decals available from www.rusticspares.com.au/ -

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne
Sent: Monday, 3 August 2009 11:47 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Model engine .colour? ....Sunshine Engine

This is a question that Reg Ingold may be able answer....if so thanks Reg.
A friend who does not understand computors [is there an acronym for such
people?]Anyway this friend has built a model engine from what I believe is a
kit made up by Winter . It is a horizontal ,open crank Roseberry. He is
desperate to paint it in authentic colours.He asked me and I guessed
Brunswick Green with maybe red flywheel spokes am I correct ?

Regarding my previous postings on the Sunshine Engine ...I was quite
prepared to share my ''Expertise '' with all but i have never recieved the
''Question''.
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 20:44:05 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:44:05 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Model engine .colour?
In-Reply-To: <91A8E8873A984733A9C8E6E69B3C872B@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <C69C9A25.2055%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

The shade of green varies a bit on Buzacotts. My 5.5hp was colour matched
off its original colour:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/buzacott/0702buzacott.jpg
It is probably one of the paler greens I have seen on a Buzacott. The
striping is correct except that the circles on the flywheels should be
filled with yellow.
I don't think they ever had red flywheel spokes.


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Aug  2 22:01:54 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:01:54 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Model engine .colour? ....Sunshine Engine
References: <91A8E8873A984733A9C8E6E69B3C872B@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<4AB5DBAD11A4405C831E85D82DDF6CC9@REG>
Message-ID: <C9FFBA18210D4E23BED5B0FB354E9B7A@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Thanks a lot Reg and Patrick ,I will pass it on .
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reg Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Model engine .colour? ....Sunshine Engine


> Brunswick green is the colour. Lining was red or yellow
> See my website. Models.
> Half size Decals available from www.rusticspares.com.au/ -
>
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter 
> ogborne
> Sent: Monday, 3 August 2009 11:47 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Model engine .colour? ....Sunshine Engine
>
> This is a question that Reg Ingold may be able answer....if so thanks Reg.
> A friend who does not understand computors [is there an acronym for such
> people?]Anyway this friend has built a model engine from what I believe is 
> a
> kit made up by Winter . It is a horizontal ,open crank Roseberry. He is
> desperate to paint it in authentic colours.He asked me and I guessed
> Brunswick Green with maybe red flywheel spokes am I correct ?
>
> Regarding my previous postings on the Sunshine Engine ...I was quite
> prepared to share my ''Expertise '' with all but i have never recieved the
> ''Question''.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com  Sun Aug  2 23:34:47 2009
From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 06:34:47 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me :-)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090802192410.02032350@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090802192410.02032350@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <SNT107-W6093B3CAC09B90EB47A800D00F0@phx.gbl>


Yes,Jerry sit on that guys door step!
 
> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:22:10 +0200
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> From: jerrye at databak.co.za
> Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me :-)
> 
> Hi Guys & Gals,
> Hold thumbs for me please.
> I'm hot on the trail of a Lister 6/1 diesel (or 5/1 - same engine) 
> "radiator cooled" and hope to see it on the back of my pickup in the next 
> few days. (The engine that the "Listeroids" were copied from).
> As many of you know, we now have a Black government and they are 
> systematically trying their best to destroy all the "infrastructure" built 
> up previously! Well, this time it looks like it may just be to my benefit 
> if things go the way I hope.
> I have come across 2 radiator cooled Lister diesel 6/1's installed 
> together in 1953 as "standby" engines in a boiler room of our South African 
> Railways maintenance workshops. They were there to use in the case of 
> (electrical) power failures and to keep the "grates" of the boiler working.
> As many of you probably know, we did not have many power failures 
> in those days (things worked properly - unlike today). Anyway, these 
> engines have been "scrapped" (possibly as part of a scheme to enrich some 
> or other govmunt official) and became part of a very large "lot" sold to a 
> scrappie.
> I have met with this "scrappie" him and he is quite prepared to 
> sell me one at a very reasonable price - unfortunately not both - he'd like 
> to keep one for himself but I'm working on that as well (he is NOT a 
> collector - just appreciates these kind of things) - can you imagine two of 
> these beautiful engines displayed in their original "working clothes" with 
> very close serial numbers - Wow - that must be many an engine man's dream. 
> Of course the fact that they are both "radiator cooled" is also a major 
> plus - most were supplied set up for "tank cooling".
> These Lister engines (only 56 years old in this case - not as 
> glamorous as many of your engines) are engines that I have always admired 
> but never thought that I would be lucky enough to own. They run beautifully 
> and do definitely have their place in the realm of "historically 
> significant" stationary engines. (read David Edgingtons book on the CS 
> (Cold Start) diesels here:
> <http://www.stationaryenginebooks.co.uk/listercs.htm>)
> 
> Hey, It's great to talk about engines for a change :-) (and engine 
> dreams maybe).
> 
> Back to the story. I was also lucky enough to meet up with a 
> millwright who has spent his whole working life in the same workshops and 
> he told me (I have no reason to
> disbelieve him) that these 2 engines were never "started in anger" ie. they 
> were never called upon to perform the duties for which they were installed 
> - the only times that they ran were for regular maintenance and service. He 
> surmised that they had not run for more than 50 hours each and again, I 
> have no reason not to believe him.
> Please guys - hold thumbs for me here!
> Back to the story!
> I first saw these 2 engines when my brother asked me to go to a 
> "preview" of the stuff on auction as he was interested in some lathe parts 
> about 3 weeks ago. I saw the engines from a distance but did not go closer 
> for a very good reason. My daughter, Jacqui, had her (uninsured) car stolen 
> about 2 weeks previous to that and, not being a person of unlimited 
> financial means, engines were just not in the budget - another car for 
> Jacqui was top priority. (But those engines stayed in the back of my mind :-))
> Well, without trying to be a preacher, a sign from above came by 
> means of an unexpected cash paying job that said "Jerry - go and buy that 
> engine!". I'm sure that many of you will understand. The rest will, 
> hopefully, be history!
> 
> Back to the engine. As I said, I first viewed it from a distance 
> and forced myself not to go closer. It seemed to be very dirty - what I 
> assumed was oil - and this did not "tie up" with what the millwright had 
> told me about "hours run". I called him again and brought this up - his 
> answer was, "It's been in a "boiler room" for 50 years, what do you expect 
> - that's soot not oil."
> 
> Hey Guys (and Gals) I seriously want that engine now and do 
> believe that it has my name on it. The next 4 or 5 days will tell - as I've 
> said "please hold thumbs for me!"
> 
> Watch this space.
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Mon Aug  3 03:06:05 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:06:05 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
Message-ID: <895FAC5A542F4336954F5686D39C4277@HOUSE>

Hi all

Thanks Peter and Richard for your responses and links. Yep!  that's my toy, Peter. 
Richard,  sorry, the link didn't work- it tried to connect but I was told the site was "...........very busy, come back later............." Which I will do.

LeRoy- LeRoi. I always understood the name was LeRoi, as you say, "the King", but it must be a typo- I think P Knight has it spelt LeRoy in his book. If it was a product of Waukesha (?) please tell me more about LeRoi and Waukesha.

My engine is in a hundred pieces just now, I need to buy rings, check main and big end bearings before I start the rebuild.

Finally if I don't reply over the next day or three, I am pretty busy. I'll make my apologies now, and try and respond to all by the end of the week.

Best wishes to all
Teddee.



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  3 03:25:13 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 03:25:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me :-)
In-Reply-To: <000301ca13b1$b8dbc470$2a934d50$@com>
Message-ID: <29943.25737.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hi George,
It seemed like a strange expression to me also.
Then I folded in both thumbs, closed my fingers around them, held both hands up around face level and shook them. 
I understand now.  It is excitement.
Smile big as you shake your hands and you will understand too.

Go Jerry, go.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sun, 8/2/09, George Best <george at irontrader.com> wrote:

> From: George Best <george at irontrader.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me :-)
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:42 PM
> Jerry,
> 
> First time I've heard of "Holding thumbs", we usually
> "cross your fingers"
> when wishing or hoping for something.
> Is that an African thing?? Or did I just miss out on
> the holding thumbs
> thing? ;-)
> 
> Seriously, I hope you get that engine!
> 
> George
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]
> On Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> 
> Hi Guys & Gals,
> ? ? ? ???Hey Guys (and Gals)
> I seriously want that engine now and do 
> believe that it has my name on it. The next 4 or 5 days
> will tell - as I've 
> said "please hold thumbs for me!"
> 
> ? ? ? ???Watch this space.
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>?
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Mon Aug  3 04:06:05 2009
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:06:05 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
In-Reply-To: <895FAC5A542F4336954F5686D39C4277@HOUSE>
References: <895FAC5A542F4336954F5686D39C4277@HOUSE>
Message-ID: <029001ca142a$65cb6190$8335c53e@doc>

>From a linguistic POV, "Le Roi" is modern French for "The King", and "Le
Roy" would be archaic (1400's and earlier (and later, still being used in
1576)) French, so both could be considered correct, Le Roi being more
modern.

All the best

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Ted & Sue Domeney
> Sent: 03 August 2009 11:06
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Thanks Peter and Richard for your responses and links. Yep!  
> that's my toy, Peter. 
> Richard,  sorry, the link didn't work- it tried to connect 
> but I was told the site was "...........very busy, come back 
> later............." Which I will do.
> 
> LeRoy- LeRoi. I always understood the name was LeRoi, as you 
> say, "the King", but it must be a typo- I think P Knight has 
> it spelt LeRoy in his book. If it was a product of Waukesha 
> (?) please tell me more about LeRoi and Waukesha.
> 
> My engine is in a hundred pieces just now, I need to buy 
> rings, check main and big end bearings before I start the rebuild.
> 
> Finally if I don't reply over the next day or three, I am 
> pretty busy. I'll make my apologies now, and try and respond 
> to all by the end of the week.
> 
> Best wishes to all
> Teddee.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 05:10:31 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:10:31 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine at Museum Victoria
Message-ID: <C69D10D7.206B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Some of you may find this interesting:

http://museumvictoria.com.au/sunshine/


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Aug  2 16:30:18 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:30:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] List Maners
Message-ID: <20090803.070909.14337.105346@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com>

G'Day All
 
Question in general, is there a increasing lack of people getting
involved 
in discussion where help is asked.
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Hi List, 
Just got back from the Northwest PA Steam Engine and Old Equipment Assn.
(Portersville) show.
I received this question just before I left for the show.

By the response (over 70),  I would say the answer is  NO.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/     
   (_o_)     Keep Pennsylvania beautiful - Ban large pumpkin colored
highway signs.
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Aug  3 15:39:08 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:39:08 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
Message-ID: <3B3B5434DBD54BDDB3BE91681C15F3D6@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Something that most Australian members are probably unaware of . A group of members from the Chamberlain 9G  Tractor Club in West Australia are at the moment driving their tractors across the USA . These blokes are from Ongerup and the Porongerups here in West Australia .The group consists of  five  9 G's and camper vans .........if any of you blokes in the US see  the distinctive orange coloured tractors  say'' G'day''.

From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Aug  3 15:49:54 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:49:54 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine at Museum Victoria
References: <C69D10D7.206B%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BDC3CE5C8A3D4610A6F830BB64855176@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Thanks Patrick ,what an innovator he was ......Sunshine ,do you know of a 
similier engine to the two stroke that we have here in Australia ....US or 
UK ?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:10 PM
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine at Museum Victoria


> Some of you may find this interesting:
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> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
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From kosh at ncweb.com  Mon Aug  3 18:44:55 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 21:44:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
In-Reply-To: <3B3B5434DBD54BDDB3BE91681C15F3D6@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090803214250.0bf9ba40@ncweb.com>

I've seen this before, with the rear tires (tyres) on backward.

Some say that this gives better tyre (tire) wear on the road.

http://www.chamberlain9g.org.au/galleries/restoration/8.jpg

Any thoughts about this?

Dave Merchant


At 06:39 PM 8/3/2009, you wrote:
>Something that most Australian members are probably unaware of . A group 
>of members from the Chamberlain 9G  Tractor Club in West Australia are at 
>the moment driving their tractors across the USA . These blokes are from 
>Ongerup and the Porongerups here in West Australia .The group consists 
>of  five  9 G's and camper vans .........if any of you blokes in the US 
>see  the distinctive orange coloured tractors  say'' G'day''.
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Dave Merchant
kosh at nesys.com
nesys_com at ameritech.net
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Aug  4 04:48:06 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:48:06 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question
Message-ID: <73BA110DCDAF4FA1BD568DDECF3E1063@acer8ff47bfe9a>

This is a difficult question ,at least I mean getting the correct answer .. I have friend who has had quite good success with his home foundry . To date he has cast alluminium ,brass and bronze and a small number of cast iron jobs .He cast two CI bearing caps for me and they machined well and the castings are first class. His home made furnace is fueled by LPG with an air blower . The furace itself is a crucible with flame entering at a tangent . There has been no great problem with noise apart from the normal ''Roar'' of the blower and flame whilst melting Alluminium ,Brass or Bronze . With higher temperature required for the Iron melt comes a high frequency scream  It alternates in its volume ..Unfortunately this noise now presents a neighbor problem.It only occurs with the higher temp required for the iron.
I know this is not an explicit explantion of the symptons but has any one experienced anything like this ?

From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Tue Aug  4 06:57:33 2009
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:57:33 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question
In-Reply-To: <73BA110DCDAF4FA1BD568DDECF3E1063@acer8ff47bfe9a>
References: <73BA110DCDAF4FA1BD568DDECF3E1063@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <4A783E4D.5020200@xplornet.com>

Hello Peter,
	I have a similar setup for doing my metal casting except I use a
naturally aspirated burner. The naturally aspirated burner is still 
noisy but not as noisy as most fan driven burners. Also, there is no 
difference in noise level when melting the different metals. What 
changes is the heating time.
	Two reasons I chose a naturally aspirated burner are noise level and 
the fact that a power failure won't interrupt a melt.
	In your case, changing the fan to a fan that produces the same pressure 
and volume of air at a lower rpm will reduce the noise a little.

Rupert

peter ogborne wrote:
> This is a difficult question ,at least I mean getting the correct
> answer .. I have friend who has had quite good success with his home
> foundry . To date he has cast alluminium ,brass and bronze and a
> small number of cast iron jobs .He cast two CI bearing caps for me
> and they machined well and the castings are first class. His home
> made furnace is fueled by LPG with an air blower . The furace itself
> is a crucible with flame entering at a tangent . There has been no
> great problem with noise apart from the normal ''Roar'' of the blower
> and flame whilst melting Alluminium ,Brass or Bronze . With higher
> temperature required for the Iron melt comes a high frequency scream
> It alternates in its volume ..Unfortunately this noise now presents a
> neighbor problem.It only occurs with the higher temp required for the
> iron. I know this is not an explicit explantion of the symptons but
> has any one experienced anything like this ? 
> _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list 
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
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-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
	
http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Aug  4 06:59:46 2009
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 06:59:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question
References: <73BA110DCDAF4FA1BD568DDECF3E1063@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <69929326E5CE407E80E21E50FE5900FD@your46e94owx6a>

Hi Peter,

Sounds really interesting, could you sends us a picture if 
the furnace?

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, California U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 4:48 AM
Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question


This is a difficult question ,at least I mean getting the 
correct answer .. I have friend who has had quite good 
success with his home foundry . To date he has cast 
alluminium ,brass and bronze and a small number of cast iron 
jobs .He cast two CI bearing caps for me and they machined 
well and the castings are first class. His home made furnace 
is fueled by LPG with an air blower . The furace itself is a 
crucible with flame entering at a tangent . There has been 
no great problem with noise apart from the normal ''Roar'' 
of the blower and flame whilst melting Alluminium ,Brass or 
Bronze . With higher temperature required for the Iron melt 
comes a high frequency scream  It alternates in its volume 
..Unfortunately this noise now presents a neighbor 
problem.It only occurs with the higher temp required for the 
iron.
I know this is not an explicit explantion of the symptons 
but has any one experienced anything like this ?
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


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From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Tue Aug  4 08:56:42 2009
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:56:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question
In-Reply-To: <4A783E4D.5020200@xplornet.com>
References: <73BA110DCDAF4FA1BD568DDECF3E1063@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<4A783E4D.5020200@xplornet.com>
Message-ID: <CB772F2F-589F-4CE3-9518-F635BBEAC633@herculesengines.com>

Rupert
What design of naturally aspirated burner do you use.  I just bought a  
new foundry set up and would like to change it from a blower to  
naturally aspirated burner.
Thanks.
Keith


On Aug 4, 2009, at 8:57 AM, Rupert wrote:

> Hello Peter,
> 	I have a similar setup for doing my metal casting except I use a
> naturally aspirated burner. The naturally aspirated burner is still
> noisy but not as noisy as most fan driven burners. Also, there is no
> difference in noise level when melting the different metals. What
> changes is the heating time.
> 	Two reasons I chose a naturally aspirated burner are noise level and
> the fact that a power failure won't interrupt a melt.
> 	In your case, changing the fan to a fan that produces the same  
> pressure
> and volume of air at a lower rpm will reduce the noise a little.
>
> Rupert
>
> peter ogborne wrote:
>> This is a difficult question ,at least I mean getting the correct
>> answer .. I have friend who has had quite good success with his home
>> foundry . To date he has cast alluminium ,brass and bronze and a
>> small number of cast iron jobs .He cast two CI bearing caps for me
>> and they machined well and the castings are first class. His home
>> made furnace is fueled by LPG with an air blower . The furace itself
>> is a crucible with flame entering at a tangent . There has been no
>> great problem with noise apart from the normal ''Roar'' of the blower
>> and flame whilst melting Alluminium ,Brass or Bronze . With higher
>> temperature required for the Iron melt comes a high frequency scream
>> It alternates in its volume ..Unfortunately this noise now presents a
>> neighbor problem.It only occurs with the higher temp required for the
>> iron. I know this is not an explicit explantion of the symptons but
>> has any one experienced anything like this ?
>> _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.43/2280 - Release Date:
>> 08/03/09 17:56:00
>>
>
> -- 
>
> yvt
>
> Rupert Wenig
> Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	
>
> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
> 	
> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Aug  4 09:55:42 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:55:42 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Aussie tractors across the USA
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1249401602.19287.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090804184346.0196ab40@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 04/08/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:39:08 +0800
>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>

>Something that most Australian members are probably unaware of . A group 
>of members from the Chamberlain 9G  Tractor Club in West Australia are at 
>the moment driving their tractors across the USA . These blokes are from 
>Ongerup and the Porongerups here in West Australia .The group consists 
>of  five  9 G's and camper vans .........if any of you blokes in the US 
>see  the distinctive orange coloured tractors  say'' G'day''.

Hi Peter,
         I came across that the other day when surfing the web. Wow what an 
adventure!
         I've often dreamt of going on a long trip on my tractor but a) 
finances and b) the condition of my tractor prohibit this. (If only I was 
"RICH" !!).
         One of our collectors drove a little Ferguson TED (Grey Fergie) 
across South Africa (north to south) a few years ago and had wonderful 
stories to tell.
         I also seem to remember someone who drove a garden 
tractor/lawnmower with a trailer attached for quite a long way in the USA - 
I think it may have been made into a movie.
         If anyone does see these guys please also offer "Best Wishes" from 
South Africa.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Aug  4 10:03:41 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:03:41 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 65, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1249401602.19287.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090804185625.0196b128@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 04/08/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 2
>Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:49:54 +0800
>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Sunshine at Museum Victoria
>
>Thanks Patrick ,what an innovator he was ......Sunshine ,do you know of a
>similier engine to the two stroke that we have here in Australia ....US or
>UK ?

H.V.MacKay (sp.) must have been some kinda guy.
         I researched him on the net a few years ago (when I got my 
Sunshine Harvester) and remember being very impressed. I would go as far as 
calling him the "father of the Combine Harvester" although there are 
differing views on this - he was way ahead of the Yanks with his ideas.
         The story of "Sunshine" and H.V. MacKay is one of those old 
stories where a "man with an idea" made good and built an empire.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Aug  4 10:28:04 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:28:04 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. For Peter Ogborne
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1249401602.19287.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090804190403.01941750@mail.atech.co.za>


>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Sunshine at Museum Victoria

Hi Peter,
         Off Topic but -
         I get the digest version of SEL and for some reason or other your 
mails always have a few pages of those "greater than) - ">" marks with 
blank lines behind them. I noticed this about a year ago. That is the mark 
used to denote that the message is "forwarded" or "a reply". You were not 
active on the list for a while but now your recent posts have the same thing.
         I counted them in this one - 180 in total. They come after your 
signature, the message you have replied to and also after the SEL notice - 
then 180 blank lines to scroll down through.
         Does this happen to anyone else and can anybody offer an 
explanation. Does it also happen on "non digest" mail?
         Peter, it does not happen on "off list" post from you to me. Only 
in the SEL digest.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Aug  4 11:55:37 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:55:37 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me :-)/Update
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090802192410.02032350@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090804195435.0195a900@mail.atech.co.za>

Hi All,
         The saga continues.
         Firstly, thanks for all the positive replies and discussion that 
this post generated. I'm not going to reply to each reply (on and off list 
and also on both SEL and Oldengine lists).
         "Hold Thumbs" and "Cross Fingers" - it seems that there was a bit 
of confusion here. We "Hold Thumbs" to ask for good luck (fingers folded 
over the thumb) but "cross fingers" if we are about to tell a lie (and hope 
to get away with it). A few explanations here:
<http://kiwiflicka.blogspot.com/2008/03/hold-thumbs.html>
or
<http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_origin_of_the_idiom_%27to_hold_thumbs%27>
or here
<http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Phrases-and-Sayings/Question785086.html>
or here
<http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=1484642>

         So here is the update:
         Firstly, I was incorrect in stating that this (these) engines had 
the solid (or electric) flywheels and have no idea why I imagined it/them 
otherwise. In my defence I refer you to the following words in my original 
post:
"I saw the engines from a distance but did not go closer for a very good 
reason. My daughter, Jacqui, had her (uninsured) car stolen about 2 weeks 
previous to that and, not being a person of unlimited financial means, 
engines were just not in the budget - another car for Jacqui was top 
priority. (But those engines stayed in the back of my mind :-))"

         Back to the story. The engines have "spoked" flywheels (I'm so 
happy about this !!) they are much "prettier" (if engine men are allowed to 
use that description) and also about 300 Kilograms lighter when it comes to 
"loading and lugging" to shows (rallies or whatever).
         At this time I have concluded a deal with the seller and was meant 
to make the trip, to load the engine, today but of course, some govmunt 
official screwed it all up and did not clear the tender documents on time. 
(Quite normal here with our "govmunt") so now I can only go on Friday 
(hopefully) ! (You Aussies should understand the term "munt" or "moentoe" 
and it has nothing to do with "heap" or "mound"!) :-)(A clue can be found 
here: <http://www.anps.org.au/documents/March_2005.pdf>
         Anyway, they deal is agreed upon but I'm not one to "count my 
chickens before they hatch". As far as I'm concerned the deal will only be 
done once the engine is loaded onto the back of my pickup (and I'm at least 
10 miles away from the loading point). :-)
         So guys (and gals) please keep "holding thumbs" or "crossing 
fingers" (whichever one works best for you) for me :-).
         I've also received a pic of the engine and put it here for those 
who are interested:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/5_1b.JPG>


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Aug  4 13:25:10 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:25:10 +0200
Subject: [SEL] "Working clothes" attn. Patrick Livingstone
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090804214015.01975ea8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All (and especially Patrick),
         With reference to your recent post about "working clothes" - does 
this qualify?
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/5_1b.JPG>

         Yeughh - Yellow flywheels !!!!

         I'm not too sure how to handle this ! These Listers were always 
"Mid Brunswick Green" apart from the "War Years" (a paler/lighter shade of 
green due to the shortages experienced during this time) and a few made for 
special applications. (This one is 1953 so "War Years" does not count as an 
excuse!!). Also NOT a special application.
         So where to from here ?:
         1) I think that this one was probably supplied in factory colours 
to the end user and painted "by apprentices" over time to its current colour.
         2) The colour yellow was never a colour used as a "corporate 
identification" by the end user (in this case our "South African Railways").
         3) Maybe it was a case of the Foreman looking for something to 
keep the apprentices busy and he said "Here, take this can of paint and 
paint those flywheels"

         So, in fact this engine is still in it's, "working clothes" 
(albeit NOT original colours) as that was the colour it was painted while 
it stood in it's working place.

         Now, I'm about to acquire this engine but what do I do? I 
personally do not like the "Yellow" (and it is not original) but the colour 
was "It's working clothes".   ????

         This could start an interesting discussion so, come on guys, let's 
have your thoughts. I'm torn between making it look "original" (lots of 
work) but would like to keep it "in it's working clothes" (an easy job as 
the paint is still in very good condition) but DO NOT like those yellow 
flywheels.

         As a point of interest, these (and other) Listers were all painted 
by brush in the Lister factory, This was done after assembly - they were 
NOT filled, masked and spray painted. This comes from David Edgington's 
book "The Lister CS Story". That may help you guys decide on an answer.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Aug  4 15:20:48 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 06:20:48 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question
References: <73BA110DCDAF4FA1BD568DDECF3E1063@acer8ff47bfe9a><4A783E4D.5020200@xplornet.com>
	<CB772F2F-589F-4CE3-9518-F635BBEAC633@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <C9B66C197A8B47A882017BDA65B74991@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Thanks Rupert......Like Keith  we are interested in your design.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Kinney" <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Foundry Question


> Rupert
> What design of naturally aspirated burner do you use.  I just bought a
> new foundry set up and would like to change it from a blower to
> naturally aspirated burner.
> Thanks.
> Keith
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2009, at 8:57 AM, Rupert wrote:
>
>> Hello Peter,
>> I have a similar setup for doing my metal casting except I use a
>> naturally aspirated burner. The naturally aspirated burner is still
>> noisy but not as noisy as most fan driven burners. Also, there is no
>> difference in noise level when melting the different metals. What
>> changes is the heating time.
>> Two reasons I chose a naturally aspirated burner are noise level and
>> the fact that a power failure won't interrupt a melt.
>> In your case, changing the fan to a fan that produces the same
>> pressure
>> and volume of air at a lower rpm will reduce the noise a little.
>>
>> Rupert
>>
>> peter ogborne wrote:
>>> This is a difficult question ,at least I mean getting the correct
>>> answer .. I have friend who has had quite good success with his home
>>> foundry . To date he has cast alluminium ,brass and bronze and a
>>> small number of cast iron jobs .He cast two CI bearing caps for me
>>> and they machined well and the castings are first class. His home
>>> made furnace is fueled by LPG with an air blower . The furace itself
>>> is a crucible with flame entering at a tangent . There has been no
>>> great problem with noise apart from the normal ''Roar'' of the blower
>>> and flame whilst melting Alluminium ,Brass or Bronze . With higher
>>> temperature required for the Iron melt comes a high frequency scream
>>> It alternates in its volume ..Unfortunately this noise now presents a
>>> neighbor problem.It only occurs with the higher temp required for the
>>> iron. I know this is not an explicit explantion of the symptons but
>>> has any one experienced anything like this ?
>>> _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.43/2280 - Release Date:
>>> 08/03/09 17:56:00
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>>
>> -- 
>>
>> yvt
>>
>> Rupert Wenig
>> Camrose, Alberta, Canada.
>>
>> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
>>
>> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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>
> Keith Kinney
> kkinney at herculesengines.com
> WWW.HerculesEngines.com
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Aug  4 15:28:24 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 06:28:24 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question
References: <73BA110DCDAF4FA1BD568DDECF3E1063@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<69929326E5CE407E80E21E50FE5900FD@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <E9484F3A721B46618450F416AD85F406@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Thanks for your interest Jim.......Danny the ''Foundryman '' is visiting me 
today ,I will arrage to get a photo of the set up.
Danny has been very succesful in casting vintage and veteran motor cycle 
parts ,aluminium chain case's and the like ,bronze bells and other parts 
.Cast Iron has been limited but has been successful. But now this noise 
problem has come up .As Danny lives in close proximity to his neighbors we 
must solve it otherewise he may have to cease. Any advise or help would be 
verymuch appreciated.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Kirkes" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Foundry Question


> Hi Peter,
>
> Sounds really interesting, could you sends us a picture if
> the furnace?
>
> Jim
>
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, California U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 4:48 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question
>
>
> This is a difficult question ,at least I mean getting the
> correct answer .. I have friend who has had quite good
> success with his home foundry . To date he has cast
> alluminium ,brass and bronze and a small number of cast iron
> jobs .He cast two CI bearing caps for me and they machined
> well and the castings are first class. His home made furnace
> is fueled by LPG with an air blower . The furace itself is a
> crucible with flame entering at a tangent . There has been
> no great problem with noise apart from the normal ''Roar''
> of the blower and flame whilst melting Alluminium ,Brass or
> Bronze . With higher temperature required for the Iron melt
> comes a high frequency scream  It alternates in its volume
> ..Unfortunately this noise now presents a neighbor
> problem.It only occurs with the higher temp required for the
> iron.
> I know this is not an explicit explantion of the symptons
> but has any one experienced anything like this ?
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Aug  4 15:31:29 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 06:31:29 +0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. For Peter Ogborne
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090804190403.01941750@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <6969D27186C64B2FAE4C21BE2B058C3C@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Jerry ......Sorry it is beyond me ...i am sure one of our more expert 
members may be able help.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:28 AM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. For Peter Ogborne


>
>>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Sunshine at Museum Victoria
>
> Hi Peter,
>         Off Topic but -
>         I get the digest version of SEL and for some reason or other your
> mails always have a few pages of those "greater than) - ">" marks with
> blank lines behind them. I noticed this about a year ago. That is the mark
> used to denote that the message is "forwarded" or "a reply". You were not
> active on the list for a while but now your recent posts have the same 
> thing.
>         I counted them in this one - 180 in total. They come after your
> signature, the message you have replied to and also after the SEL notice -
> then 180 blank lines to scroll down through.
>         Does this happen to anyone else and can anybody offer an
> explanation. Does it also happen on "non digest" mail?
>         Peter, it does not happen on "off list" post from you to me. Only
> in the SEL digest.
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Tue Aug  4 17:58:32 2009
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:58:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question
In-Reply-To: <E9484F3A721B46618450F416AD85F406@acer8ff47bfe9a>
References: <73BA110DCDAF4FA1BD568DDECF3E1063@acer8ff47bfe9a>	<69929326E5CE407E80E21E50FE5900FD@your46e94owx6a>
	<E9484F3A721B46618450F416AD85F406@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <4A78D938.2090305@xplornet.com>

Hello Peter,
	I just re-read your original message about the noise factor. A thought 
might be to put together some portable noise shields using foam or sound 
barrier panels to place between the neighbor and the furnace. And, place 
the furnace where there isn't a good reflective surface behind it. A 
reflective surface will reflect noise very well. Just a thought.
	I did a noise test on the Monster burner when I first built it. My old 
foundry shed where I had the furnace set up for use in cold weather was 
lined with OSB with a vent hood over the furnace. The reading I got on 
the DB meter was 85. That's about as much noise as a lawn mower with a B 
& S engine makes.

Rupert

peter ogborne wrote:

(snip)

> .Cast Iron has been limited but has been successful. But now this noise 
> problem has come up .As Danny lives in close proximity to his neighbors we 
> must solve it otherewise he may have to cease. Any advise or help would be 
> verymuch appreciated.

(snip)
-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
	
http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Aug  4 19:41:55 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:41:55 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question
References: <73BA110DCDAF4FA1BD568DDECF3E1063@acer8ff47bfe9a>	<69929326E5CE407E80E21E50FE5900FD@your46e94owx6a><E9484F3A721B46618450F416AD85F406@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<4A78D938.2090305@xplornet.com>
Message-ID: <BD192AEB8F9D4E74BC11DC25B7CD2745@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Thanks Rupert...I will discuss the sound barrier idea with Danny .
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rupert" <rwenig2 at xplornet.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Foundry Question


> Hello Peter,
> I just re-read your original message about the noise factor. A thought
> might be to put together some portable noise shields using foam or sound
> barrier panels to place between the neighbor and the furnace. And, place
> the furnace where there isn't a good reflective surface behind it. A
> reflective surface will reflect noise very well. Just a thought.
> I did a noise test on the Monster burner when I first built it. My old
> foundry shed where I had the furnace set up for use in cold weather was
> lined with OSB with a vent hood over the furnace. The reading I got on
> the DB meter was 85. That's about as much noise as a lawn mower with a B
> & S engine makes.
>
> Rupert
>
> peter ogborne wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
>> .Cast Iron has been limited but has been successful. But now this noise
>> problem has come up .As Danny lives in close proximity to his neighbors 
>> we
>> must solve it otherewise he may have to cease. Any advise or help would 
>> be
>> verymuch appreciated.
>
> (snip)
> -- 
>
> yvt
>
> Rupert Wenig
> Camrose, Alberta, Canada.
>
> email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
>
> http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/
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From rotigel at me.com  Tue Aug  4 20:10:13 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:10:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
In-Reply-To: <20090727070243.4AC0F298012@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>
References: <184576.18205.qm@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<10ca7a55959d4162bdc35699ea43f5c3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20090727070243.4AC0F298012@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <8383809E-4C74-4B9F-BE0D-D2FF35E84E5B@me.com>

Everyone needs to know that Russ will be showing an 11 HP Austral!
	Dave
PS, Russ, I have your Portland Exhibitor pass. Remind me to give it to  
you!

On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:02 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote:

> Gee it's very quiet you guys! Who going to Portland this year and
> what are you taking? I want to know I can look forwards to seeing. It
> has been quite a few years in the planing for us to make it to your
> show. Can't wait.
> Russell


From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Tue Aug  4 23:49:53 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:49:53 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
In-Reply-To: <8383809E-4C74-4B9F-BE0D-D2FF35E84E5B@me.com>
References: <184576.18205.qm@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><10ca7a55959d4162bdc35699ea43f5c3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><20090727070243.4AC0F298012@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>
	<8383809E-4C74-4B9F-BE0D-D2FF35E84E5B@me.com>
Message-ID: <E0C8A822D8D04AFF92401451631D241F@KerryPC>

Well done, a Victorian showing a Victorian engine, getting close have a 
great time
Kerry


> Everyone needs to know that Russ will be showing an 11 HP Austral!
> Dave



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Aug  5 00:10:16 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:10:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
References: <184576.18205.qm@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><10ca7a55959d4162bdc35699ea43f5c3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><20090727070243.4AC0F298012@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au><8383809E-4C74-4B9F-BE0D-D2FF35E84E5B@me.com>
	<E0C8A822D8D04AFF92401451631D241F@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <7D297B351CED4FCA8BEF6832347B41D9@REGsServer>

As the time approaches, I am getting withdrawal symptoms!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Show


> Well done, a Victorian showing a Victorian engine, getting close have a 
> great time
> Kerry
> 
> 
>> Everyone needs to know that Russ will be showing an 11 HP Austral!
>> Dave
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Aug  5 01:29:59 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:29:59 +1000
Subject: [SEL] engines for sale
Message-ID: <37A7882A673843C1B4F4DFD24E8EDAB4@peterlowe>

Hi All
I have some engines for sale as we are moving, if interested I am offering to List members first in Oz only. Then Ebay.
Contact me OFF LIST plowe at exemail.com.au
See here:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/austral/austral_3hp.htm



Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
Skype name: ozengines

From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  5 03:09:41 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 03:09:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Buckley Show
In-Reply-To: <8383809E-4C74-4B9F-BE0D-D2FF35E84E5B@me.com>
Message-ID: <554529.79331.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Howdy Folks,
We are getting close now.
Who will be at Buckley?
I sure hope you can be there by Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest.
I have to work Tuesday but I plan to slide out of there as early as I can.
My travel trailer and canopy should be in place on Sunday afternoon.

Alan



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Aug  5 03:57:49 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:57:49 +1000
Subject: [SEL] List Maners
In-Reply-To: <7A5D10EF-D91D-42A5-8952-E5CFBD38F756@rustyiron.com>
References: <E47E41FCBD084D72ABF38A3A310EC9E9@your9e74d7efa7><C4978E01174F4DC889ADA99DEEAD9CFD@armstrong><49034796B92A4798AEFBA22859EBCA22@acer8ff47bfe9a><E9F1735BD98E47D59D823399248400C9@KerryPC><D9330323CDEA4F1AA07D5A301BF73474@KerryPC>
	<7A5D10EF-D91D-42A5-8952-E5CFBD38F756@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <91C0C35168CE43D7ACDB8F86C15EB9A2@KerryPC>

G'Day Mate

Did you ever find the Date list you have on Nationals.
was reading Smokestack down under the other night and saw a bloke post from 
Cairns north Queensland, we were in Cairns so sent him a Email, he lived 
only 300 metres from the van park so went to see what he had, one was a nice 
National about 6hp sitting on a Blackstone transport, Excellent runner but 
has some parts not original, it and a Petter Handyman made the day.

All the best
Kerry


> So what do you need to know about the Crossley and the National,
> mate?
> Rob



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  5 04:33:59 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:33:59 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me :-)/Update
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090804195435.0195a900@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090802192410.02032350@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090804195435.0195a900@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <SNT118-W63675F10FF887090D8125DC80D0@phx.gbl>


Hi Jerry,

 

Neat looking engine. Hope it works out for you. Arnie has one of those Lister engines.

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/lister.htm

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 


=================================

> From: jerrye at databak.co.za
> 
> I've also received a pic of the engine and put it here for those 
> who are interested:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/5_1b.JPG>
> 
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> 
> 


_________________________________________________________________
Get your vacation photos on your phone!
http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM

From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Aug  5 04:46:27 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:46:27 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
In-Reply-To: <8383809E-4C74-4B9F-BE0D-D2FF35E84E5B@me.com>
References: <184576.18205.qm@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<10ca7a55959d4162bdc35699ea43f5c3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20090727070243.4AC0F298012@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>
	<8383809E-4C74-4B9F-BE0D-D2FF35E84E5B@me.com>
Message-ID: <20090805114627.067D534800D@gex-cn03.ncable.net.au>

Dave make sure you give me my pass !!! Please :-)
Russ


At 01:10 PM 5/08/2009, you wrote:
>Everyone needs to know that Russ will be showing an 11 HP Austral!
>         Dave
>PS, Russ, I have your Portland Exhibitor pass. Remind me to give it to
>you!
>
>On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:02 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote:
>
> > Gee it's very quiet you guys! Who going to Portland this year and
> > what are you taking? I want to know I can look forwards to seeing. It
> > has been quite a few years in the planing for us to make it to your
> > show. Can't wait.
> > Russell
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From enginepaul at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 08:32:28 2009
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:32:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question
In-Reply-To: <BD192AEB8F9D4E74BC11DC25B7CD2745@acer8ff47bfe9a>
References: <73BA110DCDAF4FA1BD568DDECF3E1063@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<69929326E5CE407E80E21E50FE5900FD@your46e94owx6a>
	<E9484F3A721B46618450F416AD85F406@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<4A78D938.2090305@xplornet.com>
	<BD192AEB8F9D4E74BC11DC25B7CD2745@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0908050832k76086fb8nbe95f95fb30bc674@mail.gmail.com>

I have no experience with foundries, but I have had to muffle air
compressors. The sound barrier would be the method I would try; just like
airports and freeways that have a block wall to deflect sound up. Using foam
or other 'sound absorbing' methods probably won't help much, if any.
There should be some information on the web about sound transmission in the
air on the net.

Paul in California


From rotigel at me.com  Wed Aug  5 14:27:19 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:27:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland Show
In-Reply-To: <7D297B351CED4FCA8BEF6832347B41D9@REGsServer>
References: <184576.18205.qm@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<10ca7a55959d4162bdc35699ea43f5c3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20090727070243.4AC0F298012@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>
	<8383809E-4C74-4B9F-BE0D-D2FF35E84E5B@me.com>
	<E0C8A822D8D04AFF92401451631D241F@KerryPC>
	<7D297B351CED4FCA8BEF6832347B41D9@REGsServer>
Message-ID: <D6C432FE-D259-47A5-AFA6-AF5571B53899@me.com>

Damn it Reg, I warned you against premature withdrawal years ago!
	Dave

On Aug 5, 2009, at 3:10 AM, Reg Ingold wrote:

> As the time approaches, I am getting withdrawal symptoms!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Show
>
>
>> Well done, a Victorian showing a Victorian engine, getting close  
>> have a
>> great time
>> Kerry
>>
>>
>>> Everyone needs to know that Russ will be showing an 11 HP Austral!
>>> Dave


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Aug  5 18:01:14 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 01:01:14 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Express Help Needed
Message-ID: <080620090101.4671.4A7A2B5A000779780000123F223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi All,
I need some help hauling a 5hp engine form Harvard, MA. to Pittsburg, PA. prior to 19 August 09 to my good friend Arnie Fero so he can haul to the Baraboo show.   Any help would greatly be appreciated.
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree
815-238-7316  cell


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Aug  5 18:10:27 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:10:27 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Foundry Question
References: <73BA110DCDAF4FA1BD568DDECF3E1063@acer8ff47bfe9a><69929326E5CE407E80E21E50FE5900FD@your46e94owx6a><E9484F3A721B46618450F416AD85F406@acer8ff47bfe9a><4A78D938.2090305@xplornet.com><BD192AEB8F9D4E74BC11DC25B7CD2745@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<8d3c36fb0908050832k76086fb8nbe95f95fb30bc674@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7DBE8A2DC3FA4D89993C034647BC3D89@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Thanks Paul.....that is another avenue we can explore.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Foundry Question


>I have no experience with foundries, but I have had to muffle air
> compressors. The sound barrier would be the method I would try; just like
> airports and freeways that have a block wall to deflect sound up. Using 
> foam
> or other 'sound absorbing' methods probably won't help much, if any.
> There should be some information on the web about sound transmission in 
> the
> air on the net.
>
> Paul in California
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Aug  5 23:00:52 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:00:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Tractor Drivers!
Message-ID: <6593DEC2-1BD9-4775-A299-5B7E6E0D4169@rustyiron.com>

FATG gone wild!



Wyoming police Taser 76-year-old tractor driver


	GLENROCK, Wyo. (AP) - A 76-year-old Wyoming man shot with a Taser by  
police while driving an antique tractor in a small-town parade says it  
hurt but he's OK.
Retired truck driver Bud Grose of Glenrock told The Associated Press  
in a telephone interview on Wednesday that he has a heart conditionbut  
didn't require any medical attention.

Investigators say police in Glenrock used a Taser on the man after he  
disobeyed orders. They say the tractor may have hit a car.

Two officers were placed on paid leave and state agents are  
investigating, but the police chief says it doesn't appear any  
policies were violated.

Grose wouldn't discuss specifics of the incident until he speaks to  
his attorney.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further  
information. AP's earlier story is below.

GLENROCK, Wyo. (AP)?Investigators say police in a small Wyoming town  
used a Taser on a 76-year-old man driving an antique tractor in a  
parade after he allegedly hit a car and disobeyed orders.

Two officers were placed on paid leave and state agents are  
investigating, but the police chief says it doesn't appear any  
policies were violated.

Tim Hill of the Wyoming Division of Criminal Investigation says the  
tractor may have hit a car and the tractor driver allegedly disobeyed  
officers Saturday.









From clemsweller at etczone.com  Thu Aug  6 03:37:54 2009
From: clemsweller at etczone.com (Chuck Emsweller)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 06:37:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tractor Drivers!
In-Reply-To: <6593DEC2-1BD9-4775-A299-5B7E6E0D4169@rustyiron.com>
References: <6593DEC2-1BD9-4775-A299-5B7E6E0D4169@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <000301ca1681$f5177d30$df467790$@com>

So, did he hit the car before or after being Tasered?  

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:01 AM
To: Stationary-Engine ATIS
Subject: [SEL] Tractor Drivers!

FATG gone wild!



Wyoming police Taser 76-year-old tractor driver


	GLENROCK, Wyo. (AP) - A 76-year-old Wyoming man shot with a Taser by

police while driving an antique tractor in a small-town parade says it  
hurt but he's OK.
Retired truck driver Bud Grose of Glenrock told The Associated Press  
in a telephone interview on Wednesday that he has a heart conditionbut  
didn't require any medical attention.

Investigators say police in Glenrock used a Taser on the man after he  
disobeyed orders. They say the tractor may have hit a car.

Two officers were placed on paid leave and state agents are  
investigating, but the police chief says it doesn't appear any  
policies were violated.

Grose wouldn't discuss specifics of the incident until he speaks to  
his attorney.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further  
information. AP's earlier story is below.

GLENROCK, Wyo. (AP)-Investigators say police in a small Wyoming town  
used a Taser on a 76-year-old man driving an antique tractor in a  
parade after he allegedly hit a car and disobeyed orders.

Two officers were placed on paid leave and state agents are  
investigating, but the police chief says it doesn't appear any  
policies were violated.

Tim Hill of the Wyoming Division of Criminal Investigation says the  
tractor may have hit a car and the tractor driver allegedly disobeyed  
officers Saturday.







_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Aug  6 05:04:08 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:04:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tractor Drivers!
In-Reply-To: <6593DEC2-1BD9-4775-A299-5B7E6E0D4169@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <654F43357EB34232BDFE6AA842C2B337@tommyd0x52gkco>

Rob,
   Typical!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Skinner
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:01 AM
To: Stationary-Engine ATIS
Subject: [SEL] Tractor Drivers!

FATG gone wild!



Wyoming police Taser 76-year-old tractor driver


	GLENROCK, Wyo. (AP) - A 76-year-old Wyoming man shot with a
Taser by  
police while driving an antique tractor in a small-town parade says it  
hurt but he's OK.
Retired truck driver Bud Grose of Glenrock told The Associated Press  
in a telephone interview on Wednesday that he has a heart conditionbut  
didn't require any medical attention.

Investigators say police in Glenrock used a Taser on the man after he  
disobeyed orders. They say the tractor may have hit a car.

Two officers were placed on paid leave and state agents are  
investigating, but the police chief says it doesn't appear any  
policies were violated.

Grose wouldn't discuss specifics of the incident until he speaks to  
his attorney.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further  
information. AP's earlier story is below.

GLENROCK, Wyo. (AP)-Investigators say police in a small Wyoming town  
used a Taser on a 76-year-old man driving an antique tractor in a  
parade after he allegedly hit a car and disobeyed orders.

Two officers were placed on paid leave and state agents are  
investigating, but the police chief says it doesn't appear any  
policies were violated.

Tim Hill of the Wyoming Division of Criminal Investigation says the  
tractor may have hit a car and the tractor driver allegedly disobeyed  
officers Saturday.







_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Aug  6 06:03:11 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 06:03:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Tractor Drivers!
In-Reply-To: <000301ca1681$f5177d30$df467790$@com>
References: <6593DEC2-1BD9-4775-A299-5B7E6E0D4169@rustyiron.com>
	<000301ca1681$f5177d30$df467790$@com>
Message-ID: <4525.165.206.180.130.1249563791.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

LOL - good point, Chuck!

> So, did he hit the car before or after being Tasered?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:01 AM
> To: Stationary-Engine ATIS
> Subject: [SEL] Tractor Drivers!
>
> FATG gone wild!
>
>
>
> Wyoming police Taser 76-year-old tractor driver
>
>
> 	GLENROCK, Wyo. (AP) - A 76-year-old Wyoming man shot with a Taser by
>
> police while driving an antique tractor in a small-town parade says it
> hurt but he's OK.
> Retired truck driver Bud Grose of Glenrock told The Associated Press
> in a telephone interview on Wednesday that he has a heart conditionbut
> didn't require any medical attention.
>
> Investigators say police in Glenrock used a Taser on the man after he
> disobeyed orders. They say the tractor may have hit a car.
>
> Two officers were placed on paid leave and state agents are
> investigating, but the police chief says it doesn't appear any
> policies were violated.
>
> Grose wouldn't discuss specifics of the incident until he speaks to
> his attorney.
>
> THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further
> information. AP's earlier story is below.
>
> GLENROCK, Wyo. (AP)-Investigators say police in a small Wyoming town
> used a Taser on a 76-year-old man driving an antique tractor in a
> parade after he allegedly hit a car and disobeyed orders.
>
> Two officers were placed on paid leave and state agents are
> investigating, but the police chief says it doesn't appear any
> policies were violated.
>
> Tim Hill of the Wyoming Division of Criminal Investigation says the
> tractor may have hit a car and the tractor driver allegedly disobeyed
> officers Saturday.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 07:49:35 2009
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:49:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Tractor Drivers!
In-Reply-To: <6593DEC2-1BD9-4775-A299-5B7E6E0D4169@rustyiron.com>
References: <6593DEC2-1BD9-4775-A299-5B7E6E0D4169@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0908060749y47ab6733tffa5815c3eca7e23@mail.gmail.com>

"Grose wouldn't discuss specifics of the incident until he speaks to
his attorney."

Some people go to doctors to fix an injury, some people go to lawyers to
find out how much they are injured.

I do think the police should taser some bike riders in SanFran (look up
Critical Mass - bicycle riders that jam the streets to block traffic) -
never had a problem with a tractor driver in 45 years of driving the City.

Paul in California


From rotigel at me.com  Thu Aug  6 11:10:55 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:10:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Tractor Drivers!
In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0908060749y47ab6733tffa5815c3eca7e23@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6593DEC2-1BD9-4775-A299-5B7E6E0D4169@rustyiron.com>
	<8d3c36fb0908060749y47ab6733tffa5815c3eca7e23@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6B0D72BB-478A-4414-A42C-07D089B4D5D0@me.com>


On Aug 6, 2009, at 10:49 AM, P. Johns wrote:
> I do think the police should taser some bike riders in SanFran
> Paul in California

Who only "some" Paul?
	Dave


From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  6 11:00:18 2009
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:00:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Marshalltown, IA Show
In-Reply-To: <006501ca115e$0bed75b0$16614b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <417142.19232.qm@web112619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Hi Mike,
Finally getting caught up on correspondence. The Marshalltown show featured Associated engines and it was great. I am working my way through the photos and hope to share some soon.

Actually, baby Emma already has her first engine. I got her a little 1-3/4 hp Galloway back in May. It is complete and on trucks, but needs an overhaul. At the rate that I get things done, she will be big enough to run it by the time it is ready.

On a totally unrelated matter...... A year or so ago I was in an antique shop near Sullivan, WI. An item there sent thivers down my spine. It was a large red tin sign, emblazoned upon it in script was "Royster Bonanza". Now, I have no idea what a Royster bonanza is, but if someone doesn't end up dead or pregnant (or both) because of it, I would be amazed.

TTYL,
Joe

Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan


--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com> wrote:

> From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Marshalltown, IA Show
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 4:38 PM
> Congrats Joe, but don't buy her one,
> I'll send you one of Steve's.? I'm 
> cleaning out his shed for him come Portland time........
> 
> Mike



      



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Aug  6 11:24:26 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:24:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Marshalltown, IA Show
In-Reply-To: <417142.19232.qm@web112619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <006501ca115e$0bed75b0$16614b47@mikecomp>
	<417142.19232.qm@web112619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W38644D04A5F4A9E2C4EF8C950A0@phx.gbl>


Jo, I heard through the grapevine that there will be a   " Royster Bonanza"  at Portland this very year!  Steve, the GOOD Royster
 
> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:00:18 -0700
> From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Marshalltown, IA Show
> 
> 
> Hi Mike,
> Finally getting caught up on correspondence. The Marshalltown show featured Associated engines and it was great. I am working my way through the photos and hope to share some soon.
> 
> Actually, baby Emma already has her first engine. I got her a little 1-3/4 hp Galloway back in May. It is complete and on trucks, but needs an overhaul. At the rate that I get things done, she will be big enough to run it by the time it is ready.
> 
> On a totally unrelated matter...... A year or so ago I was in an antique shop near Sullivan, WI. An item there sent thivers down my spine. It was a large red tin sign, emblazoned upon it in script was "Royster Bonanza". Now, I have no idea what a Royster bonanza is, but if someone doesn't end up dead or pregnant (or both) because of it, I would be amazed.
> 
> TTYL,
> Joe
> 
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Marshalltown, IA Show
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 4:38 PM
> > Congrats Joe, but don't buy her one,
> > I'll send you one of Steve's.  I'm 
> > cleaning out his shed for him come Portland time........
> > 
> > Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Aug  6 12:11:28 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:11:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] engines for sale
In-Reply-To: <37A7882A673843C1B4F4DFD24E8EDAB4@peterlowe>
References: <37A7882A673843C1B4F4DFD24E8EDAB4@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <27C2A368-173B-408C-8465-1EBE5695E5DC@me.com>

Why "in Oz only?" What do you have against the rest of us?
	Dave

On Aug 5, 2009, at 4:29 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Hi All
> I have some engines for sale as we are moving, if interested I am  
> offering to List members first in Oz only. Then Ebay.
> Contact me OFF LIST plowe at exemail.com.au
> See here:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/austral/austral_3hp.htm
>
>
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe


From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Aug  6 12:07:40 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:07:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Marshalltown, IA Show
References: <006501ca115e$0bed75b0$16614b47@mikecomp><417142.19232.qm@web112619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<COL112-W38644D04A5F4A9E2C4EF8C950A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004a01ca16c9$2bb8cf50$16614b47@mikecomp>

I can confirm it!  Mike the Original Good Royster
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Marshalltown, IA Show


>
> Jo, I heard through the grapevine that there will be a   " Royster 
> Bonanza"  at Portland this very year!  Steve, the GOOD Royster
>
>> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:00:18 -0700
>> From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Marshalltown, IA Show
>>
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>> Finally getting caught up on correspondence. The Marshalltown show 
>> featured Associated engines and it was great. I am working my way through 
>> the photos and hope to share some soon.
>>
>> Actually, baby Emma already has her first engine. I got her a little 
>> 1-3/4 hp Galloway back in May. It is complete and on trucks, but needs an 
>> overhaul. At the rate that I get things done, she will be big enough to 
>> run it by the time it is ready.
>>
>> On a totally unrelated matter...... A year or so ago I was in an antique 
>> shop near Sullivan, WI. An item there sent thivers down my spine. It was 
>> a large red tin sign, emblazoned upon it in script was "Royster Bonanza". 
>> Now, I have no idea what a Royster bonanza is, but if someone doesn't end 
>> up dead or pregnant (or both) because of it, I would be amazed.
>>
>> TTYL,
>> Joe
>>
>> Joe Prindle
>> Baraboo, WI USA
>> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike 
>> Milligan
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Marshalltown, IA Show
>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 4:38 PM
>> > Congrats Joe, but don't buy her one,
>> > I'll send you one of Steve's.  I'm
>> > cleaning out his shed for him come Portland time........
>> >
>> > Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Thu Aug  6 13:22:42 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:22:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Lister GK2
Message-ID: <9D3121067F6F4D9AB54F19F225747C50@HOUSE>

Hey there all
Thank you to the helpful folk who have added to my knowledge of the Lister GK2.

The very helpful and knowledgable David Edgington advises me that my GK2 is not pre WWII, but was one of four built on 21 August 1946 for Dangar Gedye of Sydney. (Well known machinery agents of the day.)

The magneto man tells me he has reconditioned the magneto, and is sending it back, so with a new set of rings I'm hopeful to have it running soon. 

PS I'm holding thumbs (something different, I was always taught to cross fingers!!!) for a successful deal on the Lister 6-1. I am truly jealous!

Best wishes
Teddee

From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu Aug  6 19:02:46 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:02:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] List Maners
In-Reply-To: <91C0C35168CE43D7ACDB8F86C15EB9A2@KerryPC>
References: <E47E41FCBD084D72ABF38A3A310EC9E9@your9e74d7efa7><C4978E01174F4DC889ADA99DEEAD9CFD@armstrong><49034796B92A4798AEFBA22859EBCA22@acer8ff47bfe9a><E9F1735BD98E47D59D823399248400C9@KerryPC><D9330323CDEA4F1AA07D5A301BF73474@KerryPC>
	<7A5D10EF-D91D-42A5-8952-E5CFBD38F756@rustyiron.com>
	<91C0C35168CE43D7ACDB8F86C15EB9A2@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <E22B0E2F-9A0D-491F-A909-289E4DEEDFD2@rustyiron.com>

Sorry, mate.  I thought for sure I had a list.  I can't find it on my  
computer or the top of my desk.  However, I can tell you that 92xx was  
most likely built in 1902.  I'll keep looking...

Rob



On Aug 5, 2009, at 3:57 AM, Kerry wrote:

> G'Day Mate
>
> Did you ever find the Date list you have on Nationals.
> was reading Smokestack down under the other night and saw a bloke  
> post from
> Cairns north Queensland, we were in Cairns so sent him a Email, he  
> lived
> only 300 metres from the van park so went to see what he had, one  
> was a nice
> National about 6hp sitting on a Blackstone transport, Excellent  
> runner but
> has some parts not original, it and a Petter Handyman made the day.
>
> All the best
> Kerry


From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu Aug  6 19:28:43 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:28:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Gas Power
In-Reply-To: <4A7631F7.1030907@coastalnet.com>
References: <4A7631F7.1030907@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <14B520BE-435C-489E-8EBC-EBC3CD0B79E6@rustyiron.com>

Ken, that's an awesome resource.  Over the years, I've spent a lot of  
money gathering up those publications, and it's nice to be able to get  
them here for free.  It's still nice, however, to read the real paper.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Ken Christison wrote:

> I do a lot of google book searches, and one that I have found  
> worthwhile
> lately
> are issues of Gas Power magazine.  These are full of great ads and
> useful info
> on engines and tractors.  The files are large, so a fast connection  
> is a
> must.
>
> http://books.google.com/books?q=editions:0CZKJjGNvSEgPzl4A8&id=tLHNAAAAMAAJ
>
> And here is another one titled Gas Engine:
>
> http://books.google.com/books?q=editions:07Ltb5KJiHDMXPTD9G&id=0_vNAAAAMAAJ&as_brr=1
>
> Hope they wrap for you.  If not you might need to copy and paste the  
> urls.
>
> Hope someone finds this info useful.  There are numerous great books
> available for download,
> so if you are interested, you might want to search and download all  
> you
> can before someone decides
> they can charge us for them.  The links above are for the full issues,
> and not previews or snippets.
>
> Take care.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
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From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Aug  6 20:44:30 2009
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (Derek)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:14:30 +0930
Subject: [SEL] Tractor Drivers!
In-Reply-To: <6593DEC2-1BD9-4775-A299-5B7E6E0D4169@rustyiron.com>
References: <6593DEC2-1BD9-4775-A299-5B7E6E0D4169@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca1711$5f0e8370$1d2b8a50$@net.au>

   It's an Epidemic. 

   Drunken tractor driver leads police on slow chase
July 8, 2009

A drunk German sparked a slow-speed police chase after stealing a tractor to
get home from a nightclub after his girlfriend left without him, said
police, who used pepper spray to try to stop the vehicle.

"After his girlfriend abandoned him in a night club, the 23-year-old driver,
who doesn't own a license, commandeered the vehicle to make his way home," a
police spokesman said on Monday.

Six police cars began trailing the tractor, which was chugging along at 20
km (12 miles) an hour, after they were alerted to the theft at about 5 a.m.
Saturday.

Officers tried holding up stop signs and directing pepper spray through the
open window to bring the driver to a halt.

They then tried unsuccessfully to end his getaway by throwing nail belts on
the road, but the tractor's tires proved too thick, said the police
spokesman.

The 40-minute chase finally came to an end when officers shot at the
tractor's tires after it rammed into a police car and collided with another
vehicle.

................................................
FATG gone wild!



Wyoming police Taser 76-year-old tractor driver



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Aug  7 01:39:43 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:39:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] engines for sale
References: <37A7882A673843C1B4F4DFD24E8EDAB4@peterlowe>
	<27C2A368-173B-408C-8465-1EBE5695E5DC@me.com>
Message-ID: <BD79F38050044C5EA71CD40E6B914AFF@peterlowe>

Hi Mr Rotigel
Well mate, I am too far from shipping ports and do not have the time at 
present.
Peter



> Why "in Oz only?" What do you have against the rest of us?
> Dave
>
> On Aug 5, 2009, at 4:29 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>> I have some engines for sale as we are moving, if interested I am
>> offering to List members first in Oz only. Then Ebay.
>> Contact me OFF LIST plowe at exemail.com.au
>> See here:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/austral/austral_3hp.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter Lowe
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Fri Aug  7 02:02:17 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:02:17 +1000
Subject: [SEL] engines for sale
In-Reply-To: <BD79F38050044C5EA71CD40E6B914AFF@peterlowe>
References: <37A7882A673843C1B4F4DFD24E8EDAB4@peterlowe>	<27C2A368-173B-408C-8465-1EBE5695E5DC@me.com>
	<BD79F38050044C5EA71CD40E6B914AFF@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <4A7BED99.5030805@steamengine.com.au>

"Mr Rotigel"? Them's fighting words Pete!!

Peter Lowe wrote:
> Hi Mr Rotigel
> Well mate, I am too far from shipping ports and do not have the time at 
> present.
> Peter
>
>   



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Aug  7 02:14:38 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:14:38 +1000
Subject: [SEL] engines for sale
References: <37A7882A673843C1B4F4DFD24E8EDAB4@peterlowe>	<27C2A368-173B-408C-8465-1EBE5695E5DC@me.com><BD79F38050044C5EA71CD40E6B914AFF@peterlowe>
	<4A7BED99.5030805@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <73DDE917851C4E1089C1F5496323220A@peterlowe>

I know, but deep, deep, way down deep, he loves it ;-))
Peter





> "Mr Rotigel"? Them's fighting words Pete!!
> 
> Peter Lowe wrote:
>> Hi Mr Rotigel
>> Well mate, I am too far from shipping ports and do not have the time at 
>> present.
>> Peter
>>
>>   
> 
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Fri Aug  7 02:31:06 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:31:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] engines for sale
In-Reply-To: <73DDE917851C4E1089C1F5496323220A@peterlowe>
References: <37A7882A673843C1B4F4DFD24E8EDAB4@peterlowe>	<27C2A368-173B-408C-8465-1EBE5695E5DC@me.com><BD79F38050044C5EA71CD40E6B914AFF@peterlowe><4A7BED99.5030805@steamengine.com.au>
	<73DDE917851C4E1089C1F5496323220A@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <F8C65D70FA5E45BABA9BFF02F9CCB1D4@KerryPC>

G'Day Pete
I know I cannot afford it at the moment but what are you asking for the 
Austral

Kerry
Just south of Cairns 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Aug  7 06:51:46 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:51:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
In-Reply-To: <3B3B5434DBD54BDDB3BE91681C15F3D6@acer8ff47bfe9a>
References: <3B3B5434DBD54BDDB3BE91681C15F3D6@acer8ff47bfe9a>
Message-ID: <627f8e54e63c73321459d3e7b0da3086.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Peter,  That's pretty amazing.  I assume they shipped their tractors across the
pond?  I wonder what the total cost of the trip is?  I can't imagine riding across
the US on a tractor seat!  Ouch!

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, August 3, 2009 6:39 pm, peter ogborne wrote:
> Something that most Australian members are probably unaware of . A group of members
> from the Chamberlain 9G  Tractor Club in West Australia are at the moment driving
> their tractors across the USA . These blokes are from Ongerup and the Porongerups
> here in West Australia .The group consists of  five  9 G's and camper vans
> .........if any of you blokes in the US see  the distinctive orange coloured
> tractors  say'' G'day''.





From rotigel at me.com  Fri Aug  7 15:21:24 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:21:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] For Russ
Message-ID: <1C9DB58E-F94C-4631-B489-5518F1A3F5C5@me.com>

Hi Russ, As the cat said when the RR train ran over it's tail: "It  
won't be long now!" See you soon!
	Dave


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Aug  7 15:29:21 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 06:29:21 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
References: <3B3B5434DBD54BDDB3BE91681C15F3D6@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<627f8e54e63c73321459d3e7b0da3086.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BF017AF2171C4BA3A4158EF609EF1BDF@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Arnie .....when they get back I will find out the details .I reckon they 
would be like your ''Clunkers''!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA


> Peter,  That's pretty amazing.  I assume they shipped their tractors 
> across the
> pond?  I wonder what the total cost of the trip is?  I can't imagine 
> riding across
> the US on a tractor seat!  Ouch!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Mon, August 3, 2009 6:39 pm, peter ogborne wrote:
>> Something that most Australian members are probably unaware of . A group 
>> of members
>> from the Chamberlain 9G  Tractor Club in West Australia are at the moment 
>> driving
>> their tractors across the USA . These blokes are from Ongerup and the 
>> Porongerups
>> here in West Australia .The group consists of  five  9 G's and camper 
>> vans
>> .........if any of you blokes in the US see  the distinctive orange 
>> coloured
>> tractors  say'' G'day''.
>
>
>
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>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Aug  7 16:10:36 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:10:36 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
References: <3B3B5434DBD54BDDB3BE91681C15F3D6@acer8ff47bfe9a>
	<627f8e54e63c73321459d3e7b0da3086.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <0AE74523EF6148C19CDEE264088A78E5@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Arie ...have a look at   http://www.transworldtractortreks.com/
Are they passing you ,perhaps a hand out with a beer in it might go down 
well?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA


> Peter,  That's pretty amazing.  I assume they shipped their tractors 
> across the
> pond?  I wonder what the total cost of the trip is?  I can't imagine 
> riding across
> the US on a tractor seat!  Ouch!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Mon, August 3, 2009 6:39 pm, peter ogborne wrote:
>> Something that most Australian members are probably unaware of . A group 
>> of members
>> from the Chamberlain 9G  Tractor Club in West Australia are at the moment 
>> driving
>> their tractors across the USA . These blokes are from Ongerup and the 
>> Porongerups
>> here in West Australia .The group consists of  five  9 G's and camper 
>> vans
>> .........if any of you blokes in the US see  the distinctive orange 
>> coloured
>> tractors  say'' G'day''.
>
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Aug  7 17:09:20 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 10:09:20 +1000
Subject: [SEL] For Russ
In-Reply-To: <1C9DB58E-F94C-4631-B489-5518F1A3F5C5@me.com>
References: <1C9DB58E-F94C-4631-B489-5518F1A3F5C5@me.com>
Message-ID: <20090808000917.38AED2980BB@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>

Hay Dave don't forget me pass !!!

meooowwww

PS: Cats make good speed humps


At 08:21 AM 8/08/2009, you wrote:
>Hi Russ, As the cat said when the RR train ran over it's tail: "It
>won't be long now!" See you soon!
>         Dave
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From rotigel at me.com  Fri Aug  7 18:37:38 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:37:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] For Russ
In-Reply-To: <20090808000917.38AED2980BB@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>
References: <1C9DB58E-F94C-4631-B489-5518F1A3F5C5@me.com>
	<20090808000917.38AED2980BB@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <BD5878F8-5B8E-4AB6-A5C6-9B022508EFF0@me.com>

Hi Russ, Be sure to remind me about your pass!
	Dave
PS, Do you know that the more times you run over a cat the flatter it  
gets?
PPS, Safe flight mate!

On Aug 7, 2009, at 8:09 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote:

> Hay Dave don't forget me pass !!!
>
> meooowwww
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> PS: Cats make good speed humps


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Aug  8 08:16:09 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:16:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
In-Reply-To: <0AE74523EF6148C19CDEE264088A78E5@acer8ff47bfe9a>
References: <3B3B5434DBD54BDDB3BE91681C15F3D6@acer8ff47bfe9a>
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Message-ID: <1f556ab2c30faf96ff06f9f842b29cc8.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Peter,

Those tractors are relatively posh in terms of protection from the elements.  Sadly,
they're already west of me on their journey.  And it's a damn shame that they didn't
plan their trip to hit Portland Indiana during the show in August.  They would
certainly have been the highlight of the biggest engine and tractor show in the
world.

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, August 7, 2009 7:10 pm, peter ogborne wrote:
> Arie ...have a look at   http://www.transworldtractortreks.com/
> Are they passing you ,perhaps a hand out with a beer in it might go down
> well?





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Aug  8 11:34:06 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:34:06 +0200
Subject: [SEL] The Coborn has landed !!
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090808200931.01958ea8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi all,
         I still have not got the Lister CS5/1 onto my pickup - "Govmunt" 
Officials et al. but have been promised that "Tuesday: will be the day - 
problem is that Monday is a public holiday here (Womens Day !!!!)  so I'm 
going to "Hold thumbs" and "cross fingers" for Wednesday !!

         Anyway, not all is lost! The Coborn aircooled engine that I wrote 
to the lists about a few weeks ago is on the back of my pickup and safely 
parked in my garage. It's too cold and too late to actually unload it now - 
best left for tomorrow. (And an "Iron-Horse" genny").

         When I sealed the deal on the Coborn, I knew it had a "pump" 
attached but never even got close to it. Now that it is here I have found 
that the "pump" is actually an air compressor of unknown origin. Seems like 
it was "cobbled" to the engine later. (I'm not unhappy!")

         Please guys, Look at the page here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/coborn/index.htm>

         If anyone can shed any information on the compressor I would 
really be eternally greatful. Details on the page.

         Then I also got a Johnson "Iron-Horse" in the same deal. Also on 
the page.

         Hey Guys, I do understand that these engines are not as 
"glamorous" as many of yours but I'm pretty new to the hobby - most of the 
"glamorous engines" have already found homes - I've gotta appreciate what 
is left (and what I can afford). I love them all.
Keep well.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug  8 18:12:17 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:12:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T.,
	O.T. Need wiring diagram for John Deere LX176 Lawn Tractor
Message-ID: <94A6B4BC92D44005AF5736ADA36AFA5E@PAUL>

Folks once again I need some help. I am in desperate need of a wiring diagram for a John Deere LX 176 Lawn Tractor with a 14 HP Kawasaki Engine in it.

I would appreciate any help anyone can offer,

Thanks,

Paul


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Aug  8 19:43:28 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ronald D Haskell)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:43:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] O.T.,
	O.T. Need wiring diagram for John Deere LX176 Lawn Tractor
Message-ID: <20090808.194329.2032.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Paul.
I know this is a stretch but:  I have it for a 160 with a 12.5 Kawasaki. 
You never know it might be similar.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:12:17 -0600 <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> Folks once again I need some help. I am in desperate need of a wiring 
> diagram for a John Deere LX 176 Lawn Tractor with a 14 HP Kawasaki 
> Engine in it.
> 
> I would appreciate any help anyone can offer,
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug  8 19:50:08 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:50:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T.,
	O.T. Need wiring diagram for John Deere LX176 Lawn Tractor
References: <20090808.194329.2032.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <A2BB61A950544843905A7B47441C188E@PAUL>

Who knows Ron, might work, send it my way if you can and thanks.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ronald D Haskell" <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T.,O.T. Need wiring diagram for John Deere LX176 Lawn 
Tractor


> Hi Paul.
> I know this is a stretch but:  I have it for a 160 with a 12.5 Kawasaki.
> You never know it might be similar.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
>
> On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:12:17 -0600 <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> writes:
>> Folks once again I need some help. I am in desperate need of a wiring
>> diagram for a John Deere LX 176 Lawn Tractor with a 14 HP Kawasaki
>> Engine in it.
>>
>> I would appreciate any help anyone can offer,
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Paul
>>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Aug  9 04:43:40 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 07:43:40 EDT
Subject: [SEL] The Coborn has landed !!
Message-ID: <bf6.382b0ad0.37b0106c@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 8/8/2009 2:37:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

I've  gotta appreciate what 
is left (and what I can afford). I love them  all.




Jerry,
 
Wife once told me I could not own everything!
 
Tom


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Aug  9 05:35:21 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:35:21 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The Coborn has landed !!
References: <bf6.382b0ad0.37b0106c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D63E8A9C1BD64589B0D2B9A5D734D9DD@peterlowe>

Tom
My wife told me that 20 years ago, sure wish I had listened to her. I am 
moving and down sizing from a 50ft x 30ft shed to 20ft x 13ft shed plus a 
garage but I gotta get one car in there too.
You can guess how many sleepless nights I have had lately.
Peter, Oz



> Jerry,
> Wife once told me I could not own everything!
> Tom




From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sun Aug  9 08:46:51 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 11:46:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
Message-ID: <10588619.1249832811252.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Peter, any idea of where they are right now.  According to the map, they will be traveling through a town called Bonner Springs Kansas which is only 10 min from me.

Tim 


From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Aug  9 09:34:33 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (kimmell at verizon.net)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:34:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
Message-ID: <715106863-1249835803-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-960257768-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

There ARE two N's in that name, correct??  ;-)

-Tony


------Original Message------
From: Tim Christoff
Sender: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
To: The SEL email discussion list
ReplyTo: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
Sent: Aug 9, 2009 10:46 AM


Peter, any idea of where they are right now.  According to the map, they will be traveling through a town called Bonner Springs Kansas which is only 10 min from me.

Tim 
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From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Sun Aug  9 13:36:42 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 06:36:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] The Coborn has landed
Message-ID: <C88AA51648134D80808B2D2BEACD0930@HOUSE>

Hey there
Thanks Jerry for the interesting story and pics on the Coborn and compressor.
Sorry, I cannot add anything to your knowledge of the compressor. 
But the link to your homepage opens up the opportunity of some interesting time at the computer.
Thank you!
Teddee

From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Aug  9 16:09:04 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:09:04 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
References: <10588619.1249832811252.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <D5D9FAA9DBD3402FBD9F99B10D8C6F89@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Tim, have a look at 
http://www.transworldtractortreks.com/Our%20_trip_Itinerary.html
This will tell about where they hope to be! There is also a cell phone 
number.The Home page also has info on it .
If you do happen to meet up with them say hello for me to Dick Garrnet
Peter Ogborne.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA


>
> Peter, any idea of where they are right now.  According to the map, they 
> will be traveling through a town called Bonner Springs Kansas which is 
> only 10 min from me.
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> Tim
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Aug  9 16:16:26 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:16:26 +0800
Subject: [SEL] The Coborn has landed
References: <C88AA51648134D80808B2D2BEACD0930@HOUSE>
Message-ID: <3C289CB34EF64B95BF4213B93693B583@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Jerry ,the Iron Horse,is it a 12v or 32 v . I have one of the latter, these 
are not as common it seems as the former.
In my derelect " Old Shed '' amongst the Tiger Snakes and Dugites ,Red Back 
Spiders and Kangeroo shit is an air cooled Douglas Engine .....looks a bit 
like your Coborn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ted & Sue Domeney" <dombros2 at clearmail.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:36 AM
Subject: [SEL] The Coborn has landed


> Hey there
> Thanks Jerry for the interesting story and pics on the Coborn and 
> compressor.
> Sorry, I cannot add anything to your knowledge of the compressor.
> But the link to your homepage opens up the opportunity of some interesting 
> time at the computer.
> Thank you!
> Teddee
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Sun Aug  9 16:48:54 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:48:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] The Coborn has landed !!
In-Reply-To: <D63E8A9C1BD64589B0D2B9A5D734D9DD@peterlowe>
References: <bf6.382b0ad0.37b0106c@aol.com>
	<D63E8A9C1BD64589B0D2B9A5D734D9DD@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <3359C0EF-460D-427A-8010-840C3EE3223F@rustyiron.com>

You wish you had listened to Kay, Kay wishes she had listened to her  
mother...

So what's the problem?  Now you're going to have to get by with a  
normal sized work area, just like the rest of us.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Aug 9, 2009, at 5:35 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Tom
> My wife told me that 20 years ago, sure wish I had listened to her.  
> I am
> moving and down sizing from a 50ft x 30ft shed to 20ft x 13ft shed  
> plus a
> garage but I gotta get one car in there too.
> You can guess how many sleepless nights I have had lately.
> Peter, Oz
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>> Jerry,
>> Wife once told me I could not own everything!
>> Tom
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From oldengines at bigpond.com  Mon Aug 10 03:13:42 2009
From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron Sullivan)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:13:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT hornsby engine for sale
Message-ID: <000b01ca19a3$3d3f4240$6400a8c0@ronliz>

Hi all
We have a 2hp lamp start 1912 hornsby for sale, These are the smallest engine that they made.it has a 2' 6" flywheel. It only measures 4ft  8" from tip of hotbulb to end of flywheel.
A pretty rare engine only about 5 in australia, open for expressions of interest, email me off list.paatrick will be putting video on youtube and this is only its 2nd start since i got it, ist start was yesterday, runs  well and has 2 repro wineglass oilers, original rivetted fuel tank , and engine will be supplied on timbers not transporter
thanks
Ron & Liz Sullivan
oldengines at bigpond.com

From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 03:34:51 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:34:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT hornsby engine for sale
In-Reply-To: <000b01ca19a3$3d3f4240$6400a8c0@ronliz>
Message-ID: <C6A634EB.2167%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qcQmePAl6Y


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 03:49:02 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:49:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Visitor to Victoria from NZ
Message-ID: <C6A6383E.216D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

>From a fellow collector in NZ:

I'm comming over to Ballarat for a week next week, do you know of any
stationary engine collections in the area?
 
Regards
John

If anyone can help email John at:  JSutherland at water.co.nz

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Aug 10 08:21:57 2009
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:21:57 +0000
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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 10 10:39:13 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:39:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
Message-ID: <BAY127-W9F2D7AAA9B68DE5604DF3CB060@phx.gbl>


"Peter, any idea of where they are right now.  According 
to the map, they will be traveling through a town called 
Bonner Springs Kansas which is only 10 min from me.
 
Tim "

Yeah, their itinerary isn't what you'd call detailed.  
Their notes from the trek, though, indicate they are 
now in western SD, so I think you've missed them, Tim.  
They are headed my way, but again, the lack of detail 
makes it impossible to know when.


Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

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From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Aug 10 10:49:32 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:49:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
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Would be great if their website always listed their current location.

George

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"Peter, any idea of where they are right now.  According 
to the map, they will be traveling through a town called 
Bonner Springs Kansas which is only 10 min from me.
 
Tim "

Yeah, their itinerary isn't what you'd call detailed.  
Their notes from the trek, though, indicate they are 
now in western SD, so I think you've missed them, Tim.  
They are headed my way, but again, the lack of detail 
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From pwaugh at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug 10 11:39:15 2009
From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:39:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
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By reading their diary, I can tell about where they have been :))

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> Would be great if their website always listed their current location.
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> to the map, they will be traveling through a town called
> Bonner Springs Kansas which is only 10 min from me.
>
> Tim "
>
> Yeah, their itinerary isn't what you'd call detailed.
> Their notes from the trek, though, indicate they are
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Aug 10 11:40:36 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:40:36 +0200
Subject: [SEL] The Coborn lives !!
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090810202852.02313c78@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         After a bit of work today I got the Coborn running beautifully. 
There was very little wrong with it - just a few minor missing parts.
         I've updated the webpage and added a video for those who would 
like to watch:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/coborn/index.htm>
         I'm a "Happy Chappie" tonight and very pleased with a "bargain" - 
it only cost me the equivalent of about 30 cans of good South African beer !!


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 10 12:48:11 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:48:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
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It would have been nice to have seen something in the news about it so I could have gotten a chance to see them.  Thanks Bruce.

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>
>"Peter, any idea of where they are right now.  According 
>to the map, they will be traveling through a town called 
>Bonner Springs Kansas which is only 10 min from me.
> 
>Tim "
>
>Yeah, their itinerary isn't what you'd call detailed.  
>Their notes from the trek, though, indicate they are 
>now in western SD, so I think you've missed them, Tim.  
>They are headed my way, but again, the lack of detail 
>makes it impossible to know when.
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From james.kangas at timken.com  Mon Aug 10 13:04:59 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:04:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><9BFBB4F4D5A04DB7960823C6AB0C4CDA@ecsserverwebs>
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How is the paper used to start a Field Marshall engine? I'm not familiar at all with that engine. I have read about some Diesel engines that had a port into which was stuffed an oily rag that was then lit to help warm up the cylinder.
    Jim K.

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From rolfb at accima.com  Mon Aug 10 13:24:55 2009
From: rolfb at accima.com (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:24:55 -0700
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
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James - A writeup stolen off the net.

To start the Marshall a smouldering piece of special paper, containing 
saltpeter, is inserted into the cylinder head by means of the special 
screw in holder located in the cylinder head. The engine is then swung 
over by means of a starting handle placed in the starting dog on the 
flywheel. This is aided by the decompression valve, which decompresses 
the engine for anything up to 6 revolutions (generally 3 revolutions is 
sufficient - a spiral groove at the back of the flywheel is used to 
determine the number of revolutions you turn it through before it comes 
up to full compression) in order to allow the flywheel to gain speed, 
and therefore inertia, in order to turn the engine over compression, and 
get the engine to fire.

A cartridge starting system is also fitted to the tractor. A shot-gun 
type cartridge is loaded into a breech on the engine's intake system. 
The smouldering paper is placed in the cylinder head, and the cartridge 
is fired by tapping the protrusion pin with a hammer. This puts a charge 
into the bore, sending the piston flying through its stroke, bursting 
into life. This method, however, deposits carbon which often causes 
jamming of the decompression valve if cartridges are regularly used. It 
also puts significantly more strain on the moving parts of the engine.


Regards,

Bob R
Moses Lake, WA, USA



Kangas, James G. wrote:
> How is the paper used to start a Field Marshall engine? I'm not familiar at all with that engine. I have read about some Diesel engines that had a port into which was stuffed an oily rag that was then lit to help warm up the cylinder.
>     Jim K.
>
>   
>


From james.kangas at timken.com  Mon Aug 10 13:36:07 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:36:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
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So does the paper actually ignite the fuel on the first compression stroke?
  Jim K.

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James - A writeup stolen off the net.

To start the Marshall a smouldering piece of special paper, containing
saltpeter, is inserted into the cylinder head by means of the special
screw in holder located in the cylinder head. The engine is then swung
over by means of a starting handle placed in the starting dog on the
flywheel. This is aided by the decompression valve, which decompresses
the engine for anything up to 6 revolutions (generally 3 revolutions is
sufficient - a spiral groove at the back of the flywheel is used to
determine the number of revolutions you turn it through before it comes
up to full compression) in order to allow the flywheel to gain speed,
and therefore inertia, in order to turn the engine over compression, and
get the engine to fire.

A cartridge starting system is also fitted to the tractor. A shot-gun
type cartridge is loaded into a breech on the engine's intake system.
The smouldering paper is placed in the cylinder head, and the cartridge
is fired by tapping the protrusion pin with a hammer. This puts a charge
into the bore, sending the piston flying through its stroke, bursting
into life. This method, however, deposits carbon which often causes
jamming of the decompression valve if cartridges are regularly used. It
also puts significantly more strain on the moving parts of the engine.


Regards,

Bob R
Moses Lake, WA, USA



Kangas, James G. wrote:
> How is the paper used to start a Field Marshall engine? I'm not familiar at all with that engine. I have read about some Diesel engines that had a port into which was stuffed an oily rag that was then lit to help warm up the cylinder.
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From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Aug 10 14:37:11 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:37:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
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Been over a year since I last started my Field Marshall, but I take a sheet of the starting paper I made years ago and cut off a strip.  About 1-1/4 to 1-12" wide and around 3" long.  You then roll the paper up into a fairly tight roll.  If your strip was not too long the rolled up paper should fit into the end of the paper holder.

Another way to look at it, is the roll of paper is about the same diameter as a cigarette.  I've seen a person use a cigarette in place of a starting paper, but I've never tried it.

Lighting the starting paper is only done after you've prepared everything else to be ready to start.  After you light the paper, I usually blow on it to make sure it is burning (smoldering is more like it) then screw it into the cylinder head.  Wait a few seconds, then strike the 12 gauge firing pin and with a little luck your Field Marshall is running.

George

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How is the paper used to start a Field Marshall engine? I'm not familiar at all with that engine. I have read about some Diesel engines that had a port into which was stuffed an oily rag that was then lit to help warm up the cylinder.
    Jim K.

________________________________

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From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:40:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
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The smoldering paper acts like a glow plug for the first few revolutions.

George

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From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kangas, James G.
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 1:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper

So does the paper actually ignite the fuel on the first compression stroke?
  Jim K.

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From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Bob W7AVK
Sent: Mon 8/10/2009 4:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper



James - A writeup stolen off the net.

To start the Marshall a smouldering piece of special paper, containing saltpeter, is inserted into the cylinder head by means of the special screw in holder located in the cylinder head. The engine is then swung over by means of a starting handle placed in the starting dog on the flywheel. This is aided by the decompression valve, which decompresses the engine for anything up to 6 revolutions (generally 3 revolutions is sufficient - a spiral groove at the back of the flywheel is used to determine the number of revolutions you turn it through before it comes up to full compression) in order to allow the flywheel to gain speed, and therefore inertia, in order to turn the engine over compression, and get the engine to fire.

A cartridge starting system is also fitted to the tractor. A shot-gun type cartridge is loaded into a breech on the engine's intake system.
The smouldering paper is placed in the cylinder head, and the cartridge is fired by tapping the protrusion pin with a hammer. This puts a charge into the bore, sending the piston flying through its stroke, bursting into life. This method, however, deposits carbon which often causes jamming of the decompression valve if cartridges are regularly used. It also puts significantly more strain on the moving parts of the engine.


Regards,

Bob R
Moses Lake, WA, USA



Kangas, James G. wrote:
> How is the paper used to start a Field Marshall engine? I'm not familiar at all with that engine. I have read about some Diesel engines that had a port into which was stuffed an oily rag that was then lit to help warm up the cylinder.
>     Jim K.
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Aug 10 14:44:48 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:44:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
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Same here would have loved to go see them as they passed through 
Ohio, they passed just 60 miles north of us. But they were well west 
of us by the time I heard of it.  Might have been something on the 
news here but just have not been watching lately.      Safe Journey 
to the Aussies.  And if the tractors have hub caps lock em down when 
you get to Los Angeles GRINNN       Mark


At 03:48 PM 8/10/2009, you wrote:
>It would have been nice to have seen something in the news about it 
>so I could have gotten a chance to see them.  Thanks Bruce. 
>-----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Younger 
><sluggo54 at hotmail.com> >Sent: Aug 10, 2009 1:39 PM >To: 
>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors 
>across the USA > > >"Peter, any idea of where they are right 
>now.  According >to the map, they will be traveling through a town 
>called >Bonner Springs Kansas which is only 10 min from me. > >Tim 
>" > >Yeah, their itinerary isn't what you'd call detailed.  >Their 
>notes from the trek, though, indicate they are >now in western SD, 
>so I think you've missed them, Tim.  >They are headed my way, but 
>again, the lack of detail >makes it impossible to know 
>when. > > >Bruce Younger   >


Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA



From james.kangas at timken.com  Mon Aug 10 14:56:36 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:56:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
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Thank you George and Bob for your replies,
  That sounds like quite a unique way to start an engine. I've heard of some aircraft engines that use a starter cartridge, but the Field Marshall is the first one I've heard of using touch paper to start.
   Jim K.

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From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Best, George
Sent: Mon 8/10/2009 5:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper




Been over a year since I last started my Field Marshall, but I take a sheet of the starting paper I made years ago and cut off a strip.  About 1-1/4 to 1-12" wide and around 3" long.  You then roll the paper up into a fairly tight roll.  If your strip was not too long the rolled up paper should fit into the end of the paper holder.

Another way to look at it, is the roll of paper is about the same diameter as a cigarette.  I've seen a person use a cigarette in place of a starting paper, but I've never tried it.

Lighting the starting paper is only done after you've prepared everything else to be ready to start.  After you light the paper, I usually blow on it to make sure it is burning (smoldering is more like it) then screw it into the cylinder head.  Wait a few seconds, then strike the 12 gauge firing pin and with a little luck your Field Marshall is running.

George

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Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 1:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper

How is the paper used to start a Field Marshall engine? I'm not familiar at all with that engine. I have read about some Diesel engines that had a port into which was stuffed an oily rag that was then lit to help warm up the cylinder.
    Jim K.

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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Aug 10 15:11:20 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:11:20 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
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Mark and others ,sorry you missed them .Is there any chance for those that 
they have not passed, the cell phone might work.I suppose it is hard to 
stick to a predetermined schedule ......especialy when they are driving on 
the WRONG side of the road!
The hub caps Mark ....as an apprentice I worked for a firm who did 
subcontract work for Chamberlains .I can remember facing off bolt on hubcaps 
!
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From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA


> Same here would have loved to go see them as they passed through
> Ohio, they passed just 60 miles north of us. But they were well west
> of us by the time I heard of it.  Might have been something on the
> news here but just have not been watching lately.      Safe Journey
> to the Aussies.  And if the tractors have hub caps lock em down when
> you get to Los Angeles GRINNN       Mark
>
>
> At 03:48 PM 8/10/2009, you wrote:
>>It would have been nice to have seen something in the news about it
>>so I could have gotten a chance to see them.  Thanks Bruce.
>>-----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Younger
>><sluggo54 at hotmail.com> >Sent: Aug 10, 2009 1:39 PM >To:
>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors
>>across the USA > > >"Peter, any idea of where they are right
>>now.  According >to the map, they will be traveling through a town
>>called >Bonner Springs Kansas which is only 10 min from me. > >Tim
>>" > >Yeah, their itinerary isn't what you'd call detailed.  >Their
>>notes from the trek, though, indicate they are >now in western SD,
>>so I think you've missed them, Tim.  >They are headed my way, but
>>again, the lack of detail >makes it impossible to know
>>when. > > >Bruce Younger   >
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> Mark Shulaw
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> Bluffton, OH. 45817
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From solarrog at pacbell.net  Mon Aug 10 15:16:14 2009
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (solarrog)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:16:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] tractor across the us
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I just did a google search and there is lots of information about there trip

http://www.transworldtractortreks.com/
is one link
http://www.farmcollector.com/tractors/trek-across-america.aspx

http://www.machinefinder.com/ww/en-US/articles/464

http://www.prairiefarmer.com/story.aspx?s=24858

there are more links if you look
Roger


From maytagtwin at aol.com  Mon Aug 10 15:37:18 2009
From: maytagtwin at aol.com (maytagtwin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:37:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
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Hi Jim,


I have a German made Benz diesel stationary (about 5 hp) with solid flywheels that uses the cigarette shaped paper ignitor.? A unique feature about this engine is it is mounted on a one wheel (wheelbarrow style) cart and the exhaust exits through the metal handles of the cart which slide (trombone style)for transport and slide back flush for running or storage.? It is hopper cooled.


Regards,


Ron Carroll


Clearmont, MO USA




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Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper





Thank you George and Bob for your replies,    That sounds like quite a unique way to start an engine. I've heard of some   aircraft engines that use a starter cartridge, but the Field Marshall is the   first one I've heard of using touch paper to start.     Jim K.    ________________________________    From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Best, George  Sent: Mon 8/10/2009 5:37 PM  To: The SEL email discussion list  Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper          Been over a year since I last started my Field Marshall, but I take a sheet of   the starting paper I made years ago and cut off a strip.  About 1-1/4 to 1-12"   wide and around 3" long.  You then roll the paper up into a fairly tight roll.    If your strip was not too long the rolled up paper should fit into the end of   the paper holder.    Another way to look at it, is the roll of paper is about the same diameter as a   cigarette.  I've seen a person use a cigarette in pla
 ce of a starting paper, but   I've never tried it.    Lighting the starting paper is only done after you've prepared everything else   to be ready to start.  After you light the paper, I usually blow on it to make   sure it is burning (smoldering is more like it) then screw it into the cylinder   head.  Wait a few seconds, then strike the 12 gauge firing pin and with a little   luck your Field Marshall is running.    George    -----Original Message-----  From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]   On Behalf Of Kangas, James G.  Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 1:05 PM  To: The SEL email discussion list  Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper    How is the paper used to start a Field Marshall engine? I'm not familiar at all   with that engine. I have read about some Diesel engines that had a port into   which was stuffed an oily rag that was then lit to help warm up the cylinder.      Jim K.    ___________
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Aug 10 15:41:50 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:41:50 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  Aussie tractors across the USA
Message-ID: <16AF5CFA277E4B9184A4C1E8B40B803B@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Anyone who is interested try the cell phone  443 279 8541They do speak 
English so you should be able to understand!
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From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA


> Mark and others ,sorry you missed them .Is there any chance for those that
> they have not passed, the cell phone might work.I suppose it is hard to
> stick to a predetermined schedule ......especialy when they are driving on
> the WRONG side of the road!
> The hub caps Mark ....as an apprentice I worked for a firm who did
> subcontract work for Chamberlains .I can remember facing off bolt on 
> hubcaps
> !
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Aussie tractors across the USA
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>> Same here would have loved to go see them as they passed through
>> Ohio, they passed just 60 miles north of us. But they were well west
>> of us by the time I heard of it.  Might have been something on the
>> news here but just have not been watching lately.      Safe Journey
>> to the Aussies.  And if the tractors have hub caps lock em down when
>> you get to Los Angeles GRINNN       Mark
>>
>>
>> At 03:48 PM 8/10/2009, you wrote:
>>>It would have been nice to have seen something in the news about it
>>>so I could have gotten a chance to see them.  Thanks Bruce.
>>>-----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Younger
>>><sluggo54 at hotmail.com> >Sent: Aug 10, 2009 1:39 PM >To:
>>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] Aussie tractors
>>>across the USA > > >"Peter, any idea of where they are right
>>>now.  According >to the map, they will be traveling through a town
>>>called >Bonner Springs Kansas which is only 10 min from me. > >Tim
>>>" > >Yeah, their itinerary isn't what you'd call detailed.  >Their
>>>notes from the trek, though, indicate they are >now in western SD,
>>>so I think you've missed them, Tim.  >They are headed my way, but
>>>again, the lack of detail >makes it impossible to know
>>>when. > > >Bruce Younger   >
>>
>>
>> Mark Shulaw
>> 454 Co. Rd. 33
>> Bluffton, OH. 45817
>> USA
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From rolfb at accima.com  Mon Aug 10 15:48:23 2009
From: rolfb at accima.com (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:48:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
In-Reply-To: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC060F9@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><9BFBB4F4D5A04DB7960823C6AB0C4CDA@ecsserverwebs><081020091521.23995.4A803B15000B486400005DBB223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC060F5@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A6CF0E4CB@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
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Jame - The FM was before my time.   But I've been told they were 
designed for very much "on the cheap" immediately after WWII to get 
something into the fields  when the UK was in very bad times and 
resources were hard to come by.  Using such a starting technique was the 
ultimate in simple as there was no electrical system.  Sorry, forgot to 
tell you about the starting cartridge which is in effect a very slow 
burning black powder which 12 gauge blank that creates a high pressure 
"push" on the pre positioned piston [top ].  Idea is to get enough 
energy into the over sized fly wheel that the next compression cycle is 
pushed through and the engine starts.  Being a single cylinder its an 
experience to ride the tractor for it really shakes.  :-)     The paper 
was really a manual glow plug.    I've seen them started without using 
the paper.  


Regards,

Bob R
Moses Lake, WA USA




Kangas, James G. wrote:
> Thank you George and Bob for your replies,
>   That sounds like quite a unique way to start an engine. I've heard of some aircraft engines that use a starter cartridge, but the Field Marshall is the first one I've heard of using touch paper to start.
>    Jim K.
>
> ________________________________
>   
>   


From james.kangas at timken.com  Mon Aug 10 16:08:30 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:08:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><9BFBB4F4D5A04DB7960823C6AB0C4CDA@ecsserverwebs><081020091521.23995.4A803B15000B486400005DBB223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC060F5@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A6CF0E4CB@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
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I guess when you consider Lucas electrical systems, a burning piece of paper would likely be more reliable. So it makes sense.
  Jim 

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Bob W7AVK
Sent: Mon 8/10/2009 6:48 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper



Jame - The FM was before my time.   But I've been told they were
designed for very much "on the cheap" immediately after WWII to get
something into the fields  when the UK was in very bad times and
resources were hard to come by.  Using such a starting technique was the
ultimate in simple as there was no electrical system.  Sorry, forgot to
tell you about the starting cartridge which is in effect a very slow
burning black powder which 12 gauge blank that creates a high pressure
"push" on the pre positioned piston [top ].  Idea is to get enough
energy into the over sized fly wheel that the next compression cycle is
pushed through and the engine starts.  Being a single cylinder its an
experience to ride the tractor for it really shakes.  :-)     The paper
was really a manual glow plug.    I've seen them started without using
the paper. 


Regards,

Bob R
Moses Lake, WA USA




Kangas, James G. wrote:
> Thank you George and Bob for your replies,
>   That sounds like quite a unique way to start an engine. I've heard of some aircraft engines that use a starter cartridge, but the Field Marshall is the first one I've heard of using touch paper to start.
>    Jim K.
>
> ________________________________
>  
>  
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From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Tue Aug 11 00:16:23 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:16:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
In-Reply-To: <4A808217.5030103@accima.com>
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><9BFBB4F4D5A04DB7960823C6AB0C4CDA@ecsserverwebs>	<081020091521.23995.4A803B15000B486400005DBB223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com>	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC060F5@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
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Hi Bob, I know that you pinched this from the 'net so they're not your 
words so this isn't directed at you. I have to wonder about the validity 
of the last statement. Why would firing from a cartridge place any more 
strain on an engine than the first firing stroke on any engine when 
starting. All the cartridge does is take over the job of the exploding 
fuel - I don't see how it could be worse.

To steal some words from (I think) Dave Rotigel... it all comes down to 
Suck, Bang, Blow, Suck, Bang, Blow, Suck, Bang, Blow, Suck, Bang, 
Blow.... etc.

Regards
Paul

Bob W7AVK wrote:
>  This method, however, deposits carbon which often causes 
> jamming of the decompression valve if cartridges are regularly used. It 
> also puts significantly more strain on the moving parts of the engine.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob R
> Moses Lake, WA, USA
>
>   



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 01:00:06 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:00:06 +0100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
In-Reply-To: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC060F5@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<9BFBB4F4D5A04DB7960823C6AB0C4CDA@ecsserverwebs>
	<081020091521.23995.4A803B15000B486400005DBB223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com>
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Message-ID: <6f6025160908110100h8f0ef0ak3411205cec385e72@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/10 Kangas, James G. <james.kangas at timken.com>:
> How is the paper used to start a Field Marshall engine? I'm not familiar at all with that >engine. I have read about some Diesel engines that had a port into which was stuffed an >oily rag that was then lit to help warm up the cylinder.
>Jim K.

A lot of the Ruston & Hornsby diesels use a similar thing, it's
blotting paper soaked in Saltpetre and left to dry. It provides the
heat required for the initial start-up, and is needed for those
engines like the Marshall which have a low-compression starting aid.

Our 1ZHR Ruston has a half-compression cam as well. We are replacing
the paper starters with a 12V glow plug, as you need one for every
start on our engine and there's no air start.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Aug 11 06:54:20 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:54:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
In-Reply-To: <4A811AC7.20206@steamengine.com.au>
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><9BFBB4F4D5A04DB7960823C6AB0C4CDA@ecsserverwebs>
	<081020091521.23995.4A803B15000B486400005DBB223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com>
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	<4A808217.5030103@accima.com> <4A811AC7.20206@steamengine.com.au>
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Just curious, how many people on this list actually have or had a Field Marshall?

I've owned a Series II Field Marshall since some time in the mid 90's.

I would agree that "power starting" (using a cartridge) rather than hand cranking would put more strain on the engine.  After all, when hand cranking you've already built up some inertia and have the flywheel turning when it first fires.  Using the starting shell, the engine is setting still with the flywheel in the starting position which is just past TDC.  It has got to be harder on the engine having an explosion in the cylinder while the piston is stopped.

Now does it hurt the engine?  I don't think so.  In all the years I've had mine I've never hand cranked it.  I've always used a starting shell.

As for carbon deposits and strain, I think that can vary on how your starting shells are loaded.  When I got mine, I talked to the collectors in Washington and BC that already had been showing FM tractors for years and got a reloading formula from them.  It has worked well for me all these years and a friend of mine with a Series III FM, just commented this past month to me that it has been working well for him for years.

Here's a bit of FM trivia most of you may not be aware of.

The engine on the FM Series III turns in the opposite direction than the earlier FM tractors.  My engine runs counter clockwise looking at the flywheel, while the Series III runs clockwise.  I read this change was made to help reduce the amount of bounce by having the power stroke on the downside of the crank.

George



-----Original Message-----

Bob W7AVK wrote:
>  This method, however, deposits carbon which often causes 
> jamming of the decompression valve if cartridges are regularly used. It 
> also puts significantly more strain on the moving parts of the engine.


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From plb at iinet.net.au  Tue Aug 11 08:00:42 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:00:42 +0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
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I had a series 2 in the early 70's. It was already out of date as a
workhorse but I used it on the farm for a number of years before we sold the
farm there and moved to another area. It was a great tractor with a bit of
character.It would pull a 12 disc plow at a pinch. Would run for days and
nights on end running a belt driven pump of the pulley. I normally started
it with the crank handle and on a cold morning it was both me and my brother
on it. If it was frosty it was to much for two strong young blokes and we
used a cartridge.I remember having to sometimes give the left hand
pully/flywheel a belt with a bit of timber to unstick the cone clutch. If it
got bogged do the same as a Lanz and shut it down before it vibrated its way
deep into the mud.Starting it with the cartridge was whoa to go in a split
second but the crank and conrod was a serious bit of iron. I think they were
built to take that sort of strain.The only mechanical maintenance I did was
get the solid bronze big end cap machined to stop it knocking.It used a bit
of oil because of the ball valve under the crankcase was worn and let a bit
of oil through.  I remember I paid $250 and sold it for the same. It ended
its life on a pump near Kyabram.
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George
Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 9:54 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper

Just curious, how many people on this list actually have or had a Field
Marshall?

I've owned a Series II Field Marshall since some time in the mid 90's.

I would agree that "power starting" (using a cartridge) rather than hand
cranking would put more strain on the engine.  After all, when hand cranking
you've already built up some inertia and have the flywheel turning when it
first fires.  Using the starting shell, the engine is setting still with the
flywheel in the starting position which is just past TDC.  It has got to be
harder on the engine having an explosion in the cylinder while the piston is
stopped.

Now does it hurt the engine?  I don't think so.  In all the years I've had
mine I've never hand cranked it.  I've always used a starting shell.

As for carbon deposits and strain, I think that can vary on how your
starting shells are loaded.  When I got mine, I talked to the collectors in
Washington and BC that already had been showing FM tractors for years and
got a reloading formula from them.  It has worked well for me all these
years and a friend of mine with a Series III FM, just commented this past
month to me that it has been working well for him for years.

Here's a bit of FM trivia most of you may not be aware of.

The engine on the FM Series III turns in the opposite direction than the
earlier FM tractors.  My engine runs counter clockwise looking at the
flywheel, while the Series III runs clockwise.  I read this change was made
to help reduce the amount of bounce by having the power stroke on the
downside of the crank.

George



-----Original Message-----

Bob W7AVK wrote:
>  This method, however, deposits carbon which often causes 
> jamming of the decompression valve if cartridges are regularly used. It 
> also puts significantly more strain on the moving parts of the engine.


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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Aug 11 08:30:41 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:30:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Field Marshall
In-Reply-To: <00e701ca1a94$7f1d7780$7d586680$@net.au>
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><9BFBB4F4D5A04DB7960823C6AB0C4CDA@ecsserverwebs>
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Ray,

Thanks for posting your experience.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:01 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper

I had a series 2 in the early 70's. It was already out of date as a workhorse but I used it on the farm for a number of years before we sold the farm there and moved to another area. It was a great tractor with a bit of character.It would pull a 12 disc plow at a pinch. Would run for days and nights on end running a belt driven pump of the pulley. I normally started it with the crank handle and on a cold morning it was both me and my brother on it. If it was frosty it was to much for two strong young blokes and we used a cartridge.I remember having to sometimes give the left hand pully/flywheel a belt with a bit of timber to unstick the cone clutch. If it got bogged do the same as a Lanz and shut it down before it vibrated its way deep into the mud.Starting it with the cartridge was whoa to go in a split second but the crank and conrod was a serious bit of iron. I think they were built to take that sort of strain.The only mechanical maintenance I did was get the solid bronze big end cap machined to stop it knocking.It used a bit of oil because of the ball valve under the crankcase was worn and let a bit of oil through.  I remember I paid $250 and sold it for the same. It ended its life on a pump near Kyabram.
Ray Freeman



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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Aug 11 10:32:44 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:32:44 +0200
Subject: [SEL] touch paper/now Field Marshall tractors
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1250006402.18254.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090811190109.02021978@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 11/08/2009, you wrote:
>Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 9:54 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
>
>Just curious, how many people on this list actually have or had a Field
>Marshall?

Hi All,
I've never owned one but a good friend has 2 and I've (hand crank) started 
and driven one. They vibrate like hell, I tried to video from one but the 
"steady shot" on a Sony video camera is no match for a Field Marshall 
!!  Then there is THAT gearbox and shifting system ! They really have a lot 
of character and stories abound.
         One is that it was easier to park them a little way from the house 
(because of the noise) at the end of a days work and leave them running at 
an idle until the next day - at an idle they dig themselves into moist soil 
but the thinking was that it was easier to "dig them out" than to start 
them :-)
         They are probably also the slowest tractor on a road. I had to 
drive one back from a show - a mere 2 miles - I only got back to the 
parking about an hour after the other tractors!!
         Also, the exhaust sticks out of the top of the bonnet - an ideal 
position to poison the driver with carbon monoxide. Trust me, been there 
done that!
         They are big, noisy, cumbersome brutes - I love them. They were 
"copied" from the Bulldog Lanz when negotiations to produce the Lanz in 
Britain failed for some or other reason.
         Now to the "starting paper". Hatz Diesels also use a similar 
method of starting and their starting "papers" are still available and fit 
the Field Marshall (albeit quite expensive).
         The other method, as has been mentioned, is to make your own by 
soaking cloth or paper in saltpetre. My mate swears by using denim cloth 
(that old pair of jeans or Levis). Cigarette stubs also work but stop 
glowing pretty quickly once inserted.

         One last point - shotgun cartridges - these are specially prepared 
"blanks" - do not try putting a "buckshot" shell in - the result could be 
disastrous :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Aug 11 10:48:54 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:48:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] touch paper/now Field Marshall tractors
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Jerry,

I make my starting papers using what we call construction paper (used by school kids to make art projects).  Never hear of using cloth, but don't see why it wouldn't work.  Might have to soak some of my old denim with saltpeter and see how it compares with the papers.

I could see where it might glow longer than the paper ones.

All this Field Marshall take makes me think I'd better start mine this year.  Won't be this week as we leave early in the morning to head to a show in Nevada this weekend.

Although a FM is a tractor and might be off topic for some, I kind of look at it as being a 1 cylinder diesel engine that is self propelled ;-)  When I take mine to a show I usually don't drive it around much, much more time is spend demonstrating the starting process and just listening to it run a bit with that steady pomp-pomp-pomp sound.

George

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         The other method, as has been mentioned, is to make your own by 
soaking cloth or paper in saltpetre. My mate swears by using denim cloth 
(that old pair of jeans or Levis). Cigarette stubs also work but stop 
glowing pretty quickly once inserted.



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From james.kangas at timken.com  Tue Aug 11 11:52:45 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:52:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
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So if these engines are low-compression does that mean they are semi-diesels?
  Jim K.

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2009/8/10 Kangas, James G. <james.kangas at timken.com>:
> How is the paper used to start a Field Marshall engine? I'm not familiar at all with that >engine. I have read about some Diesel engines that had a port into which was stuffed an >oily rag that was then lit to help warm up the cylinder.
>Jim K.

A lot of the Ruston & Hornsby diesels use a similar thing, it's
blotting paper soaked in Saltpetre and left to dry. It provides the
heat required for the initial start-up, and is needed for those
engines like the Marshall which have a low-compression starting aid.

Our 1ZHR Ruston has a half-compression cam as well. We are replacing
the paper starters with a 12V glow plug, as you need one for every
start on our engine and there's no air start.

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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Aug 11 12:29:41 2009
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The Field Marshall is a true diesel, not a semi-diesel.

The compression ratio is about 16:1 according to a search I just did.  I can check my manuals at home to confirm that later.

George

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So if these engines are low-compression does that mean they are semi-diesels?
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From james.kangas at timken.com  Tue Aug 11 14:01:10 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:01:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
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When you said low-compression I was thinking much lower then 16:1,so I think you're right about it being a true diesel.
   Jim K.

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The Field Marshall is a true diesel, not a semi-diesel.

The compression ratio is about 16:1 according to a search I just did.  I can check my manuals at home to confirm that later.

George

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So if these engines are low-compression does that mean they are semi-diesels?
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Jim,

Peter was the one that used "low-compression" and "Marshall" in the same sentence. ;-)

Too often people get confused during some of these discussions as to what was posted by who.  When giving credit or blame be sure you get the right person.

George :-)

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When you said low-compression I was thinking much lower then 16:1,so I think you're right about it being a true diesel.
   Jim K.

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The Field Marshall is a true diesel, not a semi-diesel.

The compression ratio is about 16:1 according to a search I just did.  I can check my manuals at home to confirm that later.

George

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So if these engines are low-compression does that mean they are semi-diesels?
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From james.kangas at timken.com  Tue Aug 11 16:05:29 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:05:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
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Your right, I'm sorry. I did get confused.
   Jim K.

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Jim,

Peter was the one that used "low-compression" and "Marshall" in the same sentence. ;-)

Too often people get confused during some of these discussions as to what was posted by who.  When giving credit or blame be sure you get the right person.

George :-)

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When you said low-compression I was thinking much lower then 16:1,so I think you're right about it being a true diesel.
   Jim K.

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The Field Marshall is a true diesel, not a semi-diesel.

The compression ratio is about 16:1 according to a search I just did.  I can check my manuals at home to confirm that later.

George

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So if these engines are low-compression does that mean they are semi-diesels?
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From kosh at ncweb.com  Tue Aug 11 17:24:02 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:24:02 -0400
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The thread has wandered quite a bit, but I believe someone said
it has a compression release that un-releases as the flywheel turns,
via a spiral track on the flywheel.

...or was that a different engine?.

Dave Merchant


At 05:01 PM 8/11/2009, you wrote:
>When you said low-compression I was thinking much lower then 16:1,so I 
>think you're right about it being a true diesel.
>    Jim K.
>
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>
>
>The Field Marshall is a true diesel, not a semi-diesel.
>
>The compression ratio is about 16:1 according to a search I just did.  I 
>can check my manuals at home to confirm that later.
>
>George
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 22:57:18 2009
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 06:57:18 +0100
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2009/8/12 Dave Merchant <kosh at ncweb.com>:
> The thread has wandered quite a bit, but I believe someone said
> it has a compression release that un-releases as the flywheel turns,
> via a spiral track on the flywheel.
>
> ...or was that a different engine?.
>
> Dave Merchant

That is the Field Marshall system. There is a spiral groove in the
flywheel rim that operates the decompressor.

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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Aug 12 02:24:32 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:24:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Crossley Engine
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Hi All
Can anyone please date this engine, is will have its first showing at Rusty Iron Rally this year and the owner wants to make a display plaque.

Regards
Peter, Oz



  Peter,
  Here is the information regarding the Crossley engine.

  ENGINE: Crossley Bros Type N.
  SERIAL No : 48896
  BORE : 6 5/8 inches
  STROKE : 15 inches
  FLYWHEEL :  Single - 4 feet 10 inches diameter
  IGNITION: Hot Tube
  GOVERNOR: Hit and miss. Vertical ball governor.
  The information sought is : Year of manufacture and horsepower rating.
  Any information you can get me would be greatly appreciated.
  Mackie

From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 12 04:01:05 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:01:05 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire
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A friend of mine had a barn fire a few days ago. If you look close at the photo you will see some large flywheels in there. Article is here

 

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2009/08/lightning_strikes_suspected_in.html



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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Aug 12 04:18:04 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:18:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] touch paper/now Field Marshall tractors
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090811190109.02021978@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090811190109.02021978@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <06d58ddb26a03c56b0ba3ef8e6b87423.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Cripes!  Can you imagine?  Buckshot flying out the exhaust stack with every rev!
That'd be even worse than Petter Spots!!  8-))

On Tue, August 11, 2009 1:32 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
>
>          One last point - shotgun cartridges - these are specially prepared
> "blanks" - do not try putting a "buckshot" shell in - the result could be
> disastrous :-)





From plb at iinet.net.au  Wed Aug 12 04:49:36 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:49:36 +0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20090811202128.0d146200@ncweb.com>
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>	<9BFBB4F4D5A04DB7960823C6AB0C4CDA@ecsserverwebs>	<081020091521.23995.4A803B15000B486400005DBB223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com>	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC060F5@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>	<6f6025160908110100h8f0ef0ak3411205cec385e72@mail.gmail.com>	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06100@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A6CF9C7C3@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20090811202128.0d146200@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <014c01ca1b42$f7b646f0$e722d4d0$@net.au>

The main flywheel on the right hand side had a coarse thread on the outside
edge.There was a steel wheel an inch or so in diameter that was connected to
a normal looking poppet valve down in the head via a wire cable. For crank
starting you sat the wheel in from the edge three threads.The idea was that
in 3 revolutions of the cranking handle you had enough momentum built up
that when the wheel dropped off the flywheel and closed the valve the engine
would get over the compression and fire.Now and again it would fire half
hearted and bounce off the next compression and start running backwards.For
cartridge starting the wheel was put in just one thread and there was a mark
on the flywheel to line up to ensure the piston was in the correct spot.
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Merchant
Sent: Wednesday, 12 August 2009 8:24 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper

The thread has wandered quite a bit, but I believe someone said
it has a compression release that un-releases as the flywheel turns,
via a spiral track on the flywheel.

...or was that a different engine?.

Dave Merchant


At 05:01 PM 8/11/2009, you wrote:
>When you said low-compression I was thinking much lower then 16:1,so I 
>think you're right about it being a true diesel.
>    Jim K.
>
>________________________________
>
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Best, George
>Sent: Tue 8/11/2009 3:29 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
>
>
>
>The Field Marshall is a true diesel, not a semi-diesel.
>
>The compression ratio is about 16:1 according to a search I just did.  I 
>can check my manuals at home to confirm that later.
>
>George
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kangas, James
G.
>Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:53 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
>
>So if these engines are low-compression does that mean they are
semi-diesels?
>   Jim K.
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Aug 12 05:29:40 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:29:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire
In-Reply-To: <SNT118-W66CA61AA8C44D9F12A3C9C8040@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT118-W66CA61AA8C44D9F12A3C9C8040@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <414e5a248d50f778a4569f80de4746cf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Bummer...  At least folks have restored engines that have been through a fire.

On Wed, August 12, 2009 7:01 am, Luke Tonneberger wrote:
>
> A friend of mine had a barn fire a few days ago. If you look close at the photo you
> will see some large flywheels in there. Article is here
> http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2009/08/lightning_strikes_suspected_in.html
>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Aug 12 05:33:39 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:33:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
In-Reply-To: <014c01ca1b42$f7b646f0$e722d4d0$@net.au>
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<9BFBB4F4D5A04DB7960823C6AB0C4CDA@ecsserverwebs>
	<081020091521.23995.4A803B15000B486400005DBB223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com>
	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC060F5@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<6f6025160908110100h8f0ef0ak3411205cec385e72@mail.gmail.com>
	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06100@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A6CF9C7C3@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20090811202128.0d146200@ncweb.com>
	<014c01ca1b42$f7b646f0$e722d4d0$@net.au>
Message-ID: <24e6e004b19e75e87f000d5c822cb45e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Ray,

I vividly remember a bloke at the Lister-Petter rally who was cranking one of these.
 He watched the progression of that cog along the spiral track VERY carefully and
made DAMN sure the crank came out before the end of the spiral was reached.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, August 12, 2009 7:49 am, Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring wrote:
> The main flywheel on the right hand side had a coarse thread on the outside
> edge.There was a steel wheel an inch or so in diameter that was connected to
> a normal looking poppet valve down in the head via a wire cable. For crank
> starting you sat the wheel in from the edge three threads.The idea was that
> in 3 revolutions of the cranking handle you had enough momentum built up
> that when the wheel dropped off the flywheel and closed the valve the engine
> would get over the compression and fire.Now and again it would fire half
> hearted and bounce off the next compression and start running backwards.For
> cartridge starting the wheel was put in just one thread and there was a mark
> on the flywheel to line up to ensure the piston was in the correct spot.
> Ray Freeman





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Aug 12 05:42:17 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:42:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
In-Reply-To: <4A811AC7.20206@steamengine.com.au>
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><9BFBB4F4D5A04DB7960823C6AB0C4CDA@ecsserverwebs>
	<081020091521.23995.4A803B15000B486400005DBB223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com>
	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC060F5@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<4A808217.5030103@accima.com> <4A811AC7.20206@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <2521629b29d4a1f1e0b1dbcc991f4487.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Paul,

Gee, lemmie think a minute here...
If "Suck - Squeeze - Bang - Blow" is a four-cycle engine description, are you
describing a three-cycle engine here?  Please elaborate...  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, August 11, 2009 3:16 am, Paul Pavlinovich wrote:
> To steal some words from (I think) Dave Rotigel... it all comes down to
> Suck, Bang, Blow, Suck, Bang, Blow, Suck, Bang, Blow, Suck, Bang,
> Blow.... etc.





From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 12 05:45:36 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:45:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire
In-Reply-To: <SNT118-W66CA61AA8C44D9F12A3C9C8040@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT118-W66CA61AA8C44D9F12A3C9C8040@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W21F934E46794BA029ED14C2040@phx.gbl>


I hate to see pictures like that of engines being burnt up in a barn fire.  That's one reason why I'm having an all steel building built to put my engines in so I don't have to worry about the building going up in flames.

 

Tom Winland

Ohio

http://gasenginetom.com/

 

 
> From: flywheelin at hotmail.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:01:05 +0000
> CC: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire
> 
> 
> A friend of mine had a barn fire a few days ago. If you look close at the photo you will see some large flywheels in there. Article is here
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2009/08/lightning_strikes_suspected_in.html
> 
> 
> 
> Luke Tonneberger
> 
> Rockford, Michigan
> 
> USA 
> 
> 
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Aug 12 06:42:12 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 06:42:12 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Crossley Engine
In-Reply-To: <90C5F662F2EB40AFA291CBD79773CA45@peterlowe>
References: <1CBB035697E04F2F935B7505B201195F@robynt10y9gth2>
	<90C5F662F2EB40AFA291CBD79773CA45@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <11A9C139-449A-4B73-86B7-3B08A871178A@rustyiron.com>

Probably 1904, maybe 1905.  Slip Geoff Challinor twenty quid, and  
he'll look it up.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:24 AM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Hi All
> Can anyone please date this engine, is will have its first showing  
> at Rusty Iron Rally this year and the owner wants to make a display  
> plaque.
>
> Regards
> Peter, Oz
>
>
>
>  Peter,
>  Here is the information regarding the Crossley engine.
>
>  ENGINE: Crossley Bros Type N.
>  SERIAL No : 48896
>  BORE : 6 5/8 inches
>  STROKE : 15 inches
>  FLYWHEEL :  Single - 4 feet 10 inches diameter
>  IGNITION: Hot Tube
>  GOVERNOR: Hit and miss. Vertical ball governor.
>  The information sought is : Year of manufacture and horsepower  
> rating.
>  Any information you can get me would be greatly appreciated.
>  Mackie
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Aug 12 07:49:03 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:49:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire
In-Reply-To: <414e5a248d50f778a4569f80de4746cf.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <SNT118-W66CA61AA8C44D9F12A3C9C8040@phx.gbl>
	<414e5a248d50f778a4569f80de4746cf.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20090812144854.DF97D84A2@smtp.wcoil.com>

If the firemans hose we see in the picture hit that cast iron while 
hot its all over but the scrap yard or yard ornament. Once a building 
is engulfed the best for the contents made of cast iron is to let the 
fire go if practicable, protect the surroundings but let the fire 
burn out. This way the cast cools slowly with the dying fire and has 
a better chance of being salvageable.  Not saying it will be 
salvageable just that the chances are better. Beside letting the fire 
run its course makes clean up easier.
  Restoration of a more common tractor or engine may not be 
practicable but there may be parts that can be salvaged.
My regrets to the owner.                 Mark

At 08:29 AM 8/12/2009, you wrote:
>Bummer...  At least folks have restored engines that have been through a fire.
>
>On Wed, August 12, 2009 7:01 am, Luke Tonneberger wrote:


Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Aug 12 08:42:17 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:42:17 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Barn Fire
Message-ID: <cd9.58193a91.37b43cd9@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 8/12/2009 7:07:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
flywheelin at hotmail.com writes:

If you  look close at the photo you will see some large flywheels in  there


That is a terrible loss!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 09:18:28 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:18:28 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Nuenen 2010
Message-ID: <6f6025160908120918g39f21bc3sd2c5a4844cc87ca8@mail.gmail.com>

We have received from Anton van der Cruijsen some of the advertising
flyers for next year's show.

The dates are the 23rd and 24th May 2010,

Location:

Landgoed Gulbergen,
Schoutse Vennen 15,
5674 TK Nuenen.

We will be booking the ferry in October, hope to see a few more of the
'regulars' over there.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From plb at iinet.net.au  Wed Aug 12 17:02:39 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:02:39 +0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper
In-Reply-To: <24e6e004b19e75e87f000d5c822cb45e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1889893570-1249169963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-958674570-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>	<9BFBB4F4D5A04DB7960823C6AB0C4CDA@ecsserverwebs>	<081020091521.23995.4A803B15000B486400005DBB223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com>	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC060F5@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>	<6f6025160908110100h8f0ef0ak3411205cec385e72@mail.gmail.com>	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06100@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A6CF9C7C3@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>	<5.2.0.9.0.20090811202128.0d146200@ncweb.com>	<014c01ca1b42$f7b646f0$e722d4d0$@net.au>
	<24e6e004b19e75e87f000d5c822cb45e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001b01ca1ba9$5f7497e0$1e5dc7a0$@net.au>

Arnie,I think thats the way to get bitten.The old bloke whom I got mine off
sold them new and went through it with me.We stood either side of this 4
foot long handle and he put some muscle into it and me being nervous held
back a bit so's I could jump out of the way when it got stuck. I got a
bollocking anyway and he told me to put everything into it and get it over
that compression and the handle will do the right thing.So I learned the
lesson and never had a handle stick. If they did it would be a fearsome
weapon spinning in there at 5 or 6 hundred revs.
Starting the Lanz tractors was a lot less strenuous and safer.Just grab hold
of the flywheel and rock it between compressions and away it goes nice and
gentle.
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Wednesday, 12 August 2009 8:34 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Test now question about touch paper

Hi Ray,

I vividly remember a bloke at the Lister-Petter rally who was cranking one
of these.
 He watched the progression of that cog along the spiral track VERY
carefully and
made DAMN sure the crank came out before the end of the spiral was reached.
8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, August 12, 2009 7:49 am, Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring wrote:
> The main flywheel on the right hand side had a coarse thread on the
outside
> edge.There was a steel wheel an inch or so in diameter that was connected
to
> a normal looking poppet valve down in the head via a wire cable. For crank
> starting you sat the wheel in from the edge three threads.The idea was
that
> in 3 revolutions of the cranking handle you had enough momentum built up
> that when the wheel dropped off the flywheel and closed the valve the
engine
> would get over the compression and fire.Now and again it would fire half
> hearted and bounce off the next compression and start running
backwards.For
> cartridge starting the wheel was put in just one thread and there was a
mark
> on the flywheel to line up to ensure the piston was in the correct spot.
> Ray Freeman



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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Aug 12 17:26:54 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:26:54 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Frost King Jr engine help needed
Message-ID: <081320090026.4453.4A835DCE000D6B7B00001165223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi Guys,
Could use some help on the proper paint color for a 2hp Frost King Jr engine that is being restored
and ready to paint.
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree


From mickc782 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 12 23:43:18 2009
From: mickc782 at hotmail.com (michael christie)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:13:18 +1030
Subject: [SEL] petrol hornsby for sale
Message-ID: <BLU129-W18F42E878E69D7F3FCA9989D050@phx.gbl>


g'day all

guess this is more for the aussies, i have a 4 h.p, sideshaft richard hornsby petrol engine for sale. it is low tension ignition and has a small horizontal flyball govenor. unrestored condition but mostly complete, turns over. if anyone is interested you can contact me off list at mickc782 at hotmail.com

    cheers

        mick

 

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From ilifa at internode.on.net  Thu Aug 13 18:36:48 2009
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:36:48 +1000
Subject: [SEL] touch paper/now Field Marshall tractors
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A6CF5A4C7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <mailman.1.1250006402.18254.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com >
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090811190109.02021978@mail.atech.co.za>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A6CF5A4C7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <6533C1F7-9702-4BC0-B14F-F2BED7D1FB10@internode.on.net>

As there has been a fair bit of interest in the Marshall, I thought a  
couple of extra details would be of interest.

These tractors were not really a new design in 1945, they were little  
more than a styled version of the M, which goes back to about the mid  
30's.

Not all Series 1 and 2 tractors had a low top gear. Either 6 or 9 mph  
were optional.

The series 3 engine ran in the opposite direction to the Series 2  
because it used the Fowler Marshall transmission which had a different  
gear train. The 6 speed gearbox now had a 12 mph top gear.

After inserting the priming paper holder in the cylinder head, be sure  
to either screw it in or stand away from it when firing the cartridge.  
I have heard of a man standing in front of a tractor that blew the  
paper holder into his reproductive area with disastrous results.

Eric


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Fri Aug 14 03:44:16 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:44:16 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Express still needed
Message-ID: <081420091044.16431.4A854000000462270000402F223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi Guys,
Wondering if anyone in around Harvard, MA might be traveling west in the next few days or before October that could haul a 5hp engine for me?  Be happy ro reimburse for gas expenses.
Curt Andree


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Aug 14 12:25:53 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:25:53 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Another manual added/web page text size!
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090814192610.00bd9da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Thanks to Steve Richardson of the UK who scanned this manual, I 
have been able to add another manual to my download page:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/index.htm>

         It is for the Coborn C3 and C6 aircooled engine. Steve kindly 
scanned a manual that he has and I recompiled the pages into a .pdf 
document (2.8 Mbytes).

         Thanks also to Peter Forbes for finding me Steve's email address.

         The .pdf contains my usual addition to each page that it is a free 
download and is "Not for Sale".  :-)

         I've also increased text sizes on the page (explained on the page) 
and would appreciate any feedback in this regard. When I started writing my 
pages "640 x 480" was the norm and I've been writing for that size (O.K. I 
did upgrade to 800 x 600) ever since but now with bigger, higher resolution 
monitors my pages seem to have "tiny" text.
         Please let me have your comments. (I can handle critiscm) so 
please be honest.

         (A note for those who "do not know" - good web browser's allow you 
to specify text sizes but, you can also use the "Increase text size" 
command (cntrl+ or cntrl-) keystrokes in good browsers  - I have no idea 
what "Microsoft" uses for this command ! ( I only mentioned "good" browsers.)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From rotigel at me.com  Fri Aug 14 15:49:54 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:49:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction
In-Reply-To: <6533C1F7-9702-4BC0-B14F-F2BED7D1FB10@internode.on.net>
References: <mailman.1.1250006402.18254.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090811190109.02021978@mail.atech.co.za>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A6CF5A4C7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<6533C1F7-9702-4BC0-B14F-F2BED7D1FB10@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <78FAC8E9-79A9-4E8D-9521-364DDDFF56BF@me.com>

Hi All,
	Just a reminder about the ATIS dinner and charity auction at 6:00 on  
August 27 at the Back 40 Junction in Decatur. We have about 23 people  
who have notified me that they will attend the event thus far. I would  
like to provide an approximate "head count" to the Back 40 by early  
next week, so if you know you will be attending, but have not already  
let me know, I would appreciate hearing from you before then. If you  
decide to join us at the last minute that's OK as well! Be sure, also,  
to bring something to donate to the charity auction!
	Dave
PS, You can contact me directly at: rotigel at me.com


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 14 16:36:14 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:36:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  Buckley Show
In-Reply-To: <554529.79331.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <410722.10092.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hi folks Steve Barr and I are having fun at Buckley
Here are just a couple pictures from today
Steve is cracking the corn after it comes out of my sheller.

http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Buckley%202009/

It was my turn to come home to feed the dog and our two cats.

Alan in Michigan




From alkamminga at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 14 16:44:25 2009
From: alkamminga at hotmail.com (Al Kamminga)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:44:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  Buckley Show
In-Reply-To: <410722.10092.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <554529.79331.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<410722.10092.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W12E152214A81A2D09D465C9020@phx.gbl>


Nice pictures. Set up by windmill. You must own that spot. Wish I was there with the braiding machines. Ho to all.
 
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:36:14 -0700
> From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Buckley Show
> 
> 
> Hi folks Steve Barr and I are having fun at Buckley
> Here are just a couple pictures from today
> Steve is cracking the corn after it comes out of my sheller.
> 
> http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Buckley%202009/
> 
> It was my turn to come home to feed the dog and our two cats.
> 
> Alan in Michigan
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 14 17:30:29 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:30:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  Buckley Show
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W12E152214A81A2D09D465C9020@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <184038.44486.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yup Al,,
That spot is all mine.
As a member of the club I can setup two days before any non-member can.
The whole block is family other than Steve and he is SEL family. 8>))
I wish you were there also.
Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Al Kamminga <alkamminga at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Al Kamminga <alkamminga at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re:  Buckley Show
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 7:44 PM
> 
> Nice pictures. Set up by windmill. You must own that spot.
> Wish I was there with the braiding machines. Ho to all.
>  
> > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:36:14 -0700
> > From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Buckley Show
> > 
> > 
> > Hi folks Steve Barr and I are having fun at Buckley
> > Here are just a couple pictures from today
> > Steve is cracking the corn after it comes out of my
> sheller.
> > 
> > http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Buckley%202009/
> > 
> > It was my turn to come home to feed the dog and our
> two cats.
> > 
> > Alan in Michigan
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> 
> _________________________________________________________________
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Aug 15 04:45:18 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:45:18 +0000
Subject: [SEL] FW:  Old Iron Express still needed
Message-ID: <081520091145.6987.4A869FCE00058CD300001B4B223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>


-------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- 
From: cgandree at mchsi.com 
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com (SEL Lists) 
Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Express still needed 
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:49:08 +0000 


Hi Guys, Wondering if anyone in around Harvard, MA might be traveling west in the next few days or before October that could haul a 5hp engine for me? Be happy ro 
reimburse for gas expenses. 
Curt Andree 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Aug 15 11:27:37 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:27:37 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction
In-Reply-To: <78FAC8E9-79A9-4E8D-9521-364DDDFF56BF@me.com>
References: <mailman.1.1250006402.18254.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090811190109.02021978@mail.atech.co.za>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A6CF5A4C7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<6533C1F7-9702-4BC0-B14F-F2BED7D1FB10@internode.on.net>
	<78FAC8E9-79A9-4E8D-9521-364DDDFF56BF@me.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160908151127w57618de7l750bd58de31c0d0b@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/14 David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>:
> Hi All,
> ? ? ? ?Just a reminder about the ATIS dinner and charity auction at 6:00 on
> August 27 at the Back 40 Junction in Decatur. We have about 23 people
> who have notified me that they will attend the event thus far. I would
> like to provide an approximate "head count" to the Back 40 by early
> next week, so if you know you will be attending, but have not already
> let me know, I would appreciate hearing from you before then. If you
> decide to join us at the last minute that's OK as well! Be sure, also,
> to bring something to donate to the charity auction!
> ? ? ? ?Dave
> PS, You can contact me directly at: rotigel at me.com

Dave:

As you know, we won't be able to be with you all this year, but do you
still have that King Dick spanner that I left with you for the
auction?

Hope to be able to make out regular appearance next year, enjoy the show!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From rotigel at me.com  Sat Aug 15 12:55:43 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:55:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland ATIS Dinner and Charity Auction
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160908151127w57618de7l750bd58de31c0d0b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1250006402.18254.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090811190109.02021978@mail.atech.co.za>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40A6CF5A4C7@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<6533C1F7-9702-4BC0-B14F-F2BED7D1FB10@internode.on.net>
	<78FAC8E9-79A9-4E8D-9521-364DDDFF56BF@me.com>
	<6f6025160908151127w57618de7l750bd58de31c0d0b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F3463E72-9266-4107-9A02-04B109956B95@me.com>

> Dave:
>
> As you know, we won't be able to be with you all this year, but do you
> still have that King Dick ... that I left with you for the
> auction?
>
> Hope to be able to make out regular appearance next year, enjoy the  
> show!
>
> Peter

Hi Peter,
	Your King Dick has been sitting just to the left of my 'puter since I  
returned from Portland last year. It is currently in the truck as I  
have started to load for Baraboo/Portland. Your bride has e-mailed me  
several times over the past year in order to be sure that I was taking  
good care of your King Dick. In case you have forgotten your King Dick  
is 5/8 W-11/16 BS by 3/4W-7/8 BS--and a really GOOD LOOKING KING DICK  
it is! You should be a proud man, even though you are now separated  
from it! It's LONG (12 5/8") length simply enhances beauty of it's  
nearly 2 1/2" breath. It's no wonder that your lovely wife was so  
concerned about it!
	Dave
PS, We will miss the two of you my friend! (Your bride more than you-- 
but what the hell!)



From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Sat Aug 15 22:37:47 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Domeney Brothers)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:37:47 +1000
Subject: [SEL] BSA 420cc Engine
Message-ID: <25C4503F5F7647BC9EADAF5CF5E6BE7E@shed>

Hey there all out there in engine (and tractor) land,

Can anyone advise me of the bore diameter of the BSA 420cc industrial (not motorbike) engine, please? 

Were there two models? I see some websites mention two, but they do not specify the difference.

As always, all and any assistance will be gratefully received and appreciated.

Teddee.

From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Aug 16 01:29:55 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 04:29:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Blast Cabinet
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090814192610.00bd9da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090814192610.00bd9da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <20090816082955.2182B8DCE@smtp.wcoil.com>

If anyone needs it theres a dandy little blast cabinet selling cheap 
on Ebay. Econoline Brand  Item number: 320411171983  I own and use 
one just like it every day. This is an American made unit. And the 
company is still in business to service it if parts are needed. But 
they rarely need anything other then sand and lenses.    Mark





From marinesurveys at msn.com  Sun Aug 16 01:54:27 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 04:54:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Blast Cabinet
In-Reply-To: <20090816082955.2182B8DCE@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090814192610.00bd9da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20090816082955.2182B8DCE@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W257E1D8F31D66787113B0CB4000@phx.gbl>


Mark;

Thats a dandy blast machine, seller doesn't give the size, plus

it's way to far from NC for me to go & get it.

Thanks for posting it.

 

                  B, Rgds

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 04:29:55 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> From: frappi at wcoil.com
> Subject: [SEL] Blast Cabinet
> 
> If anyone needs it theres a dandy little blast cabinet selling cheap 
> on Ebay. Econoline Brand Item number: 320411171983 I own and use 
> one just like it every day. This is an American made unit. And the 
> company is still in business to service it if parts are needed. But 
> they rarely need anything other then sand and lenses. Mark
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Aug 16 02:09:55 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:09:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Blast Cabinet
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090814192610.00bd9da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20090816082955.2182B8DCE@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <A7C1620152E7485583523C1813AD0A3C@peterlowe>

I bought one like this
Ebay  370242517669
Comes as flat pack, best to silicon seal every joint, then they a dust leak 
proof. Works well.

Peter


> If anyone needs it theres a dandy little blast cabinet selling cheap
> on Ebay. Econoline Brand  Item number: 320411171983  I own and use
> one just like it every day. This is an American made unit. And the
> company is still in business to service it if parts are needed. But
> they rarely need anything other then sand and lenses.    Mark
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 02:10:43 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:10:43 +0100
Subject: [SEL] BSA 420cc Engine
In-Reply-To: <25C4503F5F7647BC9EADAF5CF5E6BE7E@shed>
References: <25C4503F5F7647BC9EADAF5CF5E6BE7E@shed>
Message-ID: <6f6025160908160210m2e53b624hd3b62da79d5a23cd@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/16 Domeney Brothers <dombros2 at clearmail.com.au>:
> Hey there all out there in engine (and tractor) land,
>
> Can anyone advise me of the bore diameter of the BSA 420cc industrial (not motorbike) engine, please?
>
> Were there two models? I see some websites mention two, but they do not specify the difference.
>
> As always, all and any assistance will be gratefully received and appreciated.
>
> Teddee.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

There are 2 models, the Model 'E; and Model 'G'.

Both have 82mm bore, one has a different compression height on the
piston so there are two piston types.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Aug 16 07:09:21 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:09:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Blast Cabinet
In-Reply-To: <A7C1620152E7485583523C1813AD0A3C@peterlowe>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090814192610.00bd9da0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20090816082955.2182B8DCE@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<A7C1620152E7485583523C1813AD0A3C@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <20090816140920.1BBA08E1A@smtp.wcoil.com>

Yah I am intimately familiar with that red one. Friend of mine has 
one exactly like it, I helped him assemble it. In this area they 
carry the name branding of Clarke, they are an import. There were no 
used Econoline units available at the time close and he was in his 
usual hurry so he got one of the Clarke units. Had all kinds of 
little problems with it. He's had it for 4 years and he is still not 
happy with it, But he has it.    Mark



At 05:09 AM 8/16/2009, you wrote:
>I bought one like this
>Ebay  370242517669
>Comes as flat pack, best to silicon seal every joint, then they a dust leak
>proof. Works well.
>
>Peter
>
>
> > If anyone needs it theres a dandy little blast cabinet selling cheap
> > on Ebay. Econoline Brand  Item number: 320411171983  I own and use
> > one just like it every day. This is an American made unit. And the
> > company is still in business to service it if parts are needed. But
> > they rarely need anything other then sand and lenses.    Mark
> >


Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Aug 16 10:15:37 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:15:37 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  BSA 420cc Engine
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1250438402.8352.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090816185615.00bcf9a8@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 16/08/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:37:47 +1000
>From: "Domeney Brothers" <dombros2 at clearmail.com.au>
>Subject: [SEL] BSA 420cc Engine
>
>Hey there all out there in engine (and tractor) land,
>Can anyone advise me of the bore diameter of the BSA 420cc industrial (not 
>motorbike) engine, please?
>Were there two models? I see some websites mention two, but they do not 
>specify the difference.
>As always, all and any assistance will be gratefully received and appreciated.
>Teddee.

Hi Tedee,
         There is a manual available on Paul Evans's site:
<www.internalfire.com>
         for a small donation that goes to a good cause.
         It is described as a "BSA Portable Industrial Engine" and the 
manual describes a 320cc engine - I see no reference to a 420cc engine but 
Peter has a lot more knowledge of these things than I do.
         Peter, could a different shape piston account for 100cc on this 
size bore?

         Tedee a friend of mine has a beautifully restored one here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/gb/bsa.jpg>
         He has mounted it on a raised stand - the engine is mounted on 
this stand on a single vertical shaft supported on a roller bearing. The 
result is that the whole engine rotates slowly on this axis as it is 
running. It looks like one of those adverts where the camera rotates around 
the subject. A bit hard to describe in a few words but it does attract a 
lot of attention from spectators at a show.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Sun Aug 16 13:06:09 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 06:06:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] BSA 420cc Engine
Message-ID: <2204C9780CBF4ED6AE3C70A9EC743C48@HOUSE>

Thank you Peter, that info is very helpful.

Last time I spoke (emailed) with you you were renovating the house. Mess and disruption was the order of the day. All done?

Best regards
Teddee

From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Aug 16 16:31:37 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:31:37 +0800
Subject: [SEL] BSA 420cc Engine
References: <2204C9780CBF4ED6AE3C70A9EC743C48@HOUSE>
Message-ID: <9DCE85FBA6AC4E39A3AA38D99C8FA6C1@acer8ff47bfe9a>

Ted.......for the bargain price of 2/6 I can let you have an original'' 
Instruction Manual and Spares List for BSA Portable industrial  Engines ''
As Jerry says it refers to the 320cc engine but I am sure it will be 
relevant unless the 420 cc you referto was vastly different
Lets know if you want it and I will  post it across the sea to you.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ted & Sue Domeney" <dombros2 at clearmail.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:06 AM
Subject: [SEL] BSA 420cc Engine


> Thank you Peter, that info is very helpful.
>
> Last time I spoke (emailed) with you you were renovating the house. Mess 
> and disruption was the order of the day. All done?
>
> Best regards
> Teddee
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Sun Aug 16 19:31:31 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:31:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Buckley Show
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W12E152214A81A2D09D465C9020@phx.gbl>
References: <554529.79331.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<410722.10092.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT111-W12E152214A81A2D09D465C9020@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <86435B39-36C8-4154-9C30-149D3C260812@rustyiron.com>

Hi, Al.  One of these days we'll have to chat about braiding  
machines.  Kelley and I now have one sitting in the garage.  It's a  
bigun, 32 bobbins, I believe.  We don't know much about the  
contraptions, and have only turned it over by hand.  If you know of  
someone with a spare bobbin winder it could save us a lot of lathe-time.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Aug 14, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Al Kamminga wrote:

> Nice pictures. Set up by windmill. You must own that spot. Wish I  
> was there with the braiding machines. Ho to all.



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 22:53:15 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 06:53:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] BSA 420cc Engine
In-Reply-To: <2204C9780CBF4ED6AE3C70A9EC743C48@HOUSE>
References: <2204C9780CBF4ED6AE3C70A9EC743C48@HOUSE>
Message-ID: <6f6025160908162253y202b4612pa9590b069aaf520d@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/16 Ted & Sue Domeney <dombros2 at clearmail.com.au>:
> Thank you Peter, that info is very helpful.
>
> Last time I spoke (emailed) with you you were renovating the house. Mess and disruption was the order of the day. All done?
>
> Best regards
> Teddee

Yes thanks, it was finished in February, at least the rebuild of the
second floor and roof was, we just have the interior to do now :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 22:58:54 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 06:58:54 +0100
Subject: [SEL] BSA 420cc Engine
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090816185615.00bcf9a8@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <mailman.3.1250438402.8352.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090816185615.00bcf9a8@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <6f6025160908162258l7c501197ieaf79a4b699392eb@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/16 Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>:
> At 06:00 PM 16/08/2009, you wrote:
> I see no reference to a 420cc engine but
> Peter has a lot more knowledge of these things than I do.
> Peter, could a different shape piston account for 100cc on this
> size bore?
> Jerry Evans

I was using the Hepolite Piston & Ring catalogue, it lists:

120cc 56mm bore, flat topped piston
220cc 68mm bore, flat topped piston
320cc 76.199mm bore, flat topped piston
420cc 82mm bore, slightly concave piston
420cc 82mm bore, concave piston

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Aug 17 04:53:02 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:53:02 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Buckley Show
In-Reply-To: <86435B39-36C8-4154-9C30-149D3C260812@rustyiron.com>
References: <554529.79331.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><410722.10092.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com><SNT111-W12E152214A81A2D09D465C9020@phx.gbl>
	<86435B39-36C8-4154-9C30-149D3C260812@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <081720091153.19883.4A89449D000F038D00004DAB223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Rob & Kelly,
Hurry up and come to Baraboo this week as well as the Freeport Show in September.........there is a guy who displays those machines every year and seems to be very knowledgeable!
Curt
-------------- Original message from Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com>: -------------- 


> Hi, Al. One of these days we'll have to chat about braiding 
> machines. Kelley and I now have one sitting in the garage. It's a 
> bigun, 32 bobbins, I believe. We don't know much about the 
> contraptions, and have only turned it over by hand. If you know of 
> someone with a spare bobbin winder it could save us a lot of lathe-time. 
> 
> 
> Rob Skinner 
> Antique Stationary Engines 
> La Habra, California 
> 
> rob at rustyiron.com 
> www.rustyiron.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 14, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Al Kamminga wrote: 
> 
> > Nice pictures. Set up by windmill. You must own that spot. Wish I 
> > was there with the braiding machines. Ho to all. 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> SEL mailing list 
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Aug 17 08:58:14 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:58:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Buckley Show
In-Reply-To: <86435B39-36C8-4154-9C30-149D3C260812@rustyiron.com>
References: <554529.79331.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<410722.10092.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT111-W12E152214A81A2D09D465C9020@phx.gbl>
	<86435B39-36C8-4154-9C30-149D3C260812@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <7c382a38e76010a97a4153a690f2a3c6.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

32 bobbins???  Man Rob, you could make some serious Argyle sox with that puppy!

On Sun, August 16, 2009 10:31 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
> Hi, Al.  One of these days we'll have to chat about braiding
> machines.  Kelley and I now have one sitting in the garage.  It's a
> bigun, 32 bobbins, I believe.  We don't know much about the
> contraptions, and have only turned it over by hand.  If you know of
> someone with a spare bobbin winder it could save us a lot of lathe-time.





From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Aug 17 10:57:41 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:57:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Buckley Show
In-Reply-To: <081720091153.19883.4A89449D000F038D00004DAB223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <554529.79331.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><410722.10092.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com><SNT111-W12E152214A81A2D09D465C9020@phx.gbl>
	<86435B39-36C8-4154-9C30-149D3C260812@rustyiron.com>
	<081720091153.19883.4A89449D000F038D00004DAB223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <66C153FD-97F9-4F93-BDBD-F805EF9C8A53@rustyiron.com>

We talked seriously about going to Freeport, but September isn't far  
off...

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Aug 17, 2009, at 4:53 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Rob & Kelly,
> Hurry up and come to Baraboo this week as well as the Freeport Show  
> in September.........there is a guy who displays those machines  
> every year and seems to be very knowledgeable!
> Curt


From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Mon Aug 17 12:52:40 2009
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:52:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Video of Holt tractor
Message-ID: <F26C278F-BE0E-423A-AF14-311E5868CBA9@rustyiron.com>

Finally got around to editing my video of Don Hunter's one-of-a-kind  
Holt tractor.  You can view it on You Tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMuDSLYNw4w 
  or, for better video, go to http://gallery.me.com/kelleygarcia

Don built this tractor from SCRATCH!  He had some factory drawings and  
some pictures - that's it.  His craftsmanship is amazing....

********
Kelley Garcia







From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Aug 17 14:57:45 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:57:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Video of Holt tractor
In-Reply-To: <F26C278F-BE0E-423A-AF14-311E5868CBA9@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEMFIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Kelly:

WOW!  What a project!  Your video is good, too.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Kelley
> Garcia
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 02:53 PM
> To: SEL discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Video of Holt tractor
> 
> 
> Finally got around to editing my video of Don 
> Hunter's one-of-a-kind  
> Holt tractor.  You can view it on You Tube 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMuDSLYNw4w 
>   or, for better video, go to 
> http://gallery.me.com/kelleygarcia
> 
> Don built this tractor from SCRATCH!  He had some 
> factory drawings and  
> some pictures - that's it.  His craftsmanship is 
> amazing....
> 
> ********
> Kelley Garcia




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Aug 17 14:42:22 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:42:22 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me - the saga ends :-)
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090817224433.028d4e58@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi all you wonderful people out there in "old engine land",
         Thanks to all those who "held thumbs" or "crossed fingers" for me 
- The Lister CS 5/1 is now safely parked (albeit still on a trailer) in my 
yard. Another one (actually three - read further) saved from the "scrappie"!
         After a "nail biting", "blood sweating", "extremely anxious" 3 
weeks I received a phone call at 5:45 am this morning that I could come and 
load the engine(s).
         As per my previous mails on the subject, I was after 2 Lister CS 
5/1 engines. Well there have been a lot of phone calls in these last two 
weeks and this morning's call was the culmination of everything. They were 
mine and I could go and load them.
         The "lot" consisted of two 1953 Lister CS diesels and an aircooled 
3 cylinder - 33 HP @ 1800 Lister diesel of similar vintage. I was not 
particularly interested in the 3 Cyl. engine ( I think it is a type HA3 but 
not totally sure, as I mentioned - not my interest).
         I had previously contacted a friend who is probably South Africa's 
most knowledgeable "Lister" expert and he wanted the 3 cyl. engine - BUT he 
also needed a radiator cooled 5/1 to complete his collection. He asked so 
nicely that I had to agree to letting him buy one of the 5/1's - so I will 
only have one of them in my collection but that's O.K. - at least they have 
both been saved. Isn't that what it's all about??

         I've put a few pictures here for those who would like to look:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/lister51/index.htm>

P.S. For those who do not know - the Lister 5/1 and the Lister 6/1 is the 
same engine. The engine produces (5 HP at 600 RPM) or (6 HP at 650 RPM). 
According to David Edgington it was a "marketing ploy". They were 
originally marketed as 5/1's and later as 6/1's. Same engine!!

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Aug 17 15:26:08 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:26:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Video of Holt tractor
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEMFIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEMFIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <0feca2606d8ac8b509fe6297ec5e5646.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Clearly all due to her Mac prowess...  8-))

On Mon, August 17, 2009 5:57 pm, Elden DuRand wrote:
>
> Your video is good, too.





From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Aug 17 15:31:21 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:31:21 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me - the saga ends :-)
Message-ID: <cb7.578deb8a.37bb3439@aol.com>

Jerry,
 
Nice load of old iron saved again!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Aug 17 15:56:17 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:56:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me - the saga ends :-)
Message-ID: <20090817.155811.19150.8175@mailpop10.vgs.untd.com>

Way to go Jerry.  Always good to get them home.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From kgarcia at rustyiron.com  Mon Aug 17 16:01:19 2009
From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:01:19 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Video of Holt tractor
In-Reply-To: <0feca2606d8ac8b509fe6297ec5e5646.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEMFIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<0feca2606d8ac8b509fe6297ec5e5646.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <CD0840FB-3128-4721-AFE0-7A2ADBBCF46B@rustyiron.com>

damn straight!  free software comes on the machine and makes putting  
video together a snap.  Only thing required is good videography (I'm  
still honing my skills in that department)

********
Kelley Garcia





On Aug 17, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Clearly all due to her Mac prowess...  8-))
>
> On Mon, August 17, 2009 5:57 pm, Elden DuRand wrote:
>>
>> Your video is good, too.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 17 17:56:27 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:56:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Video of Holt tractor
In-Reply-To: <F26C278F-BE0E-423A-AF14-311E5868CBA9@rustyiron.com>
References: <F26C278F-BE0E-423A-AF14-311E5868CBA9@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W1854783A45DC3293AE482895FF0@phx.gbl>


I've been following the tractor so it was great to get the video. Fantastic job on the Video, I felt like I was riding along. Steve
 
> From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:52:40 -0700
> Subject: [SEL] Video of Holt tractor
> 
> Finally got around to editing my video of Don Hunter's one-of-a-kind 
> Holt tractor. You can view it on You Tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMuDSLYNw4w 
> or, for better video, go to http://gallery.me.com/kelleygarcia
> 
> Don built this tractor from SCRATCH! He had some factory drawings and 
> some pictures - that's it. His craftsmanship is amazing....
> 
> ********
> Kelley Garcia
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Mon Aug 17 19:36:37 2009
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:36:37 +1000
Subject: [SEL] BSA 420cc Engine
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160908162258l7c501197ieaf79a4b699392eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003a01ca1fac$b5a49aa0$0201010a@JBCooper>


Hi Peter,
Piston shape has no bearing on cubic capacity. Volume is calculated bore
radius squared X Pi X stroke.
John Cooper,
Bega Australia.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel
Sent: Monday, 17 August 2009 3:59 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] BSA 420cc Engine


2009/8/16 Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>:
> At 06:00 PM 16/08/2009, you wrote:
> I see no reference to a 420cc engine but
> Peter has a lot more knowledge of these things than I do. Peter, could 
> a different shape piston account for 100cc on this size bore?
> Jerry Evans

I was using the Hepolite Piston & Ring catalogue, it lists:

120cc 56mm bore, flat topped piston
220cc 68mm bore, flat topped piston
320cc 76.199mm bore, flat topped piston
420cc 82mm bore, slightly concave piston
420cc 82mm bore, concave piston

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 04:02:44 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:02:44 +0100
Subject: [SEL] BSA 420cc Engine
In-Reply-To: <003a01ca1fac$b5a49aa0$0201010a@JBCooper>
References: <6f6025160908162258l7c501197ieaf79a4b699392eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<003a01ca1fac$b5a49aa0$0201010a@JBCooper>
Message-ID: <6f6025160908180402m530498ffl3f0cd2fe079ce975@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/18 John & Beryl Cooper <cooperjb at aapt.net.au>:
>
> Hi Peter,
> Piston shape has no bearing on cubic capacity. Volume is calculated bore
> radius squared X Pi X stroke.
> John Cooper,
> Bega Australia.

John:

I don't recall saying that it did?  I just quoted details from the
Hepolite catalogue.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 05:05:26 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:05:26 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Interesting wall
Message-ID: <C6B0D626.228D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1127400


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Aug 18 07:11:03 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:11:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me - the saga ends :-)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090817224433.028d4e58@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEMIIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

Some blokes just have all the luck!  I don't know much about Listers (and am too bone idle to look the specs up) so could you let me know the HP and RPM of each type?

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 04:42 PM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me - 
> the saga ends :-)
> 
> 
> Hi all you wonderful people out there in "old 
> engine land",
>          Thanks to all those who "held thumbs" or 
> "crossed fingers" for me 
> - The Lister CS 5/1 is now safely parked (albeit 
> still on a trailer) in my 
> yard. 

........................snip........................

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm




From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Aug 18 07:16:27 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:16:27 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Interesting wall
In-Reply-To: <C6B0D626.228D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6B0D626.228D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BEBB3CA8-6000-42AA-AA09-6C537EDFEEEE@rustyiron.com>

Well, at least they've kept it from going to the scrap man.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Aug 18, 2009, at 5:05 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:

> http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1127400
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html



From curt at rustyiron.com  Tue Aug 18 08:47:04 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:47:04 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] Portland aerial photo
Message-ID: <59359.168.215.206.73.1250610424.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Luke maybe?
Someone posted an aerial photo of Portland with written in identifications
of the areas and buildings last year. Can someone provide the link for
this.
Or engine club has chartered a bus, and I was thinking this might help
them find their way around.
Curt



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Aug 18 09:57:39 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:57:39 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me - the saga ends :-)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1250611202.32019.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090818183809.0201ee08@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 18/08/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 13
>Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:11:03 -0500
>From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me - the saga ends :-)
>Jerry:
>Some blokes just have all the luck!  I don't know much about Listers (and 
>am too bone idle to look the specs up) so could you let me know the HP and 
>RPM of each type?
>Take care - Elden

Hi Elden,
         What you been smoking??? <big grin>
         The message had all that info in it :-)
"Copy follows"

"an aircooled 3 cylinder - 33 HP @ 1800 Lister diesel of similar vintage. I 
was not
particularly interested in the 3 Cyl. engine ( I think it is a type HA3 but
not totally sure, as I mentioned - not my interest)."
and
"P.S. For those who do not know - the Lister 5/1 and the Lister 6/1 is the
same engine. The engine produces (5 HP at 600 RPM) or (6 HP at 650 RPM).
According to David Edgington it was a "marketing ploy". They were
originally marketed as 5/1's and later as 6/1's. Same engine!!"

         I was just "ribbing" you about the "smoking" keep well my friend.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Aug 18 12:14:06 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:14:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Interesting wall
In-Reply-To: <C6B0D626.228D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6B0D626.228D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <585ba4437d2693848b0cbbbd62756839.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

WAY KEWL!!!!

On Tue, August 18, 2009 8:05 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1127400





From kosh at ncweb.com  Tue Aug 18 12:16:07 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:16:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Interesting wall
In-Reply-To: <585ba4437d2693848b0cbbbd62756839.squirrel@webmail.city-net .com>
References: <C6B0D626.228D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<C6B0D626.228D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090818151338.0c3740f0@ncweb.com>

Actually, not so good.

It got me onto that @$#%@# geograph site, and I wasted
several hours looking at pix of ancestral places.
It's as bad as Shorpy.

Dave Merchant


At 03:14 PM 8/18/2009, you wrote:
>WAY KEWL!!!!
>
>On Tue, August 18, 2009 8:05 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> > http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1127400
>
>
>
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http://www.nesys.org
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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Aug 18 14:40:42 2009
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:40:42 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine
Message-ID: <4A8B1FDA.3090903@insulate.co.uk>

But it is steam powered!
This steam car is going to try to break the record, set in 1906, for a 
steam powered car, hopefully tomorrow.
http://www.steamcar.co.uk/index.html
Also an item on the BBC news
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8208119.stm

Dolly

-- 
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fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Aug 18 15:44:30 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:44:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me - the saga ends :-)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090818183809.0201ee08@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEMLIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

DANG, Jerry!  I musta been inhaling too much of that cutting oil smoke.  In addition to being bone idle, I'm getting stoopider and stoopider every day.

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:58 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me - 
> the saga ends :-)
> 
> 
> At 06:00 PM 18/08/2009, you wrote:
> >Message: 13
> >Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:11:03 -0500
> >From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Please "hold thumbs" for me - 
> the saga ends :-)
> >Jerry:
> >Some blokes just have all the luck!  I don't 
> know much about Listers (and 
> >am too bone idle to look the specs up) so could 
> you let me know the HP and 
> >RPM of each type?
> >Take care - Elden
> 
> Hi Elden,
>          What you been smoking??? <big grin>
>          The message had all that info in it :-)

............................snip.....................

> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans




From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Aug 18 14:57:29 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:57:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine
In-Reply-To: <4A8B1FDA.3090903@insulate.co.uk>
References: <4A8B1FDA.3090903@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40B7A871CF1@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

It will be a sad day when the record is broken.

Some records are better off left alone out of respect for what they accomplished over 100 years ago.

Beating a 100 year old record with modern technology isn't something I enjoy.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim French
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:41 PM
To: ATIS Stationary Engine List
Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine

But it is steam powered!
This steam car is going to try to break the record, set in 1906, for a 
steam powered car, hopefully tomorrow.
http://www.steamcar.co.uk/index.html
Also an item on the BBC news
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8208119.stm

Dolly

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From james.kangas at timken.com  Tue Aug 18 15:27:20 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:27:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine
References: <4A8B1FDA.3090903@insulate.co.uk>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40B7A871CF1@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC0610A@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>

I agree completely with you George. I could see it if they were trying to do it with another Stanley Steamer, which I believe was the car that did it originally.
    Jim K.

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Best, George
Sent: Tue 8/18/2009 5:57 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine



It will be a sad day when the record is broken.

Some records are better off left alone out of respect for what they accomplished over 100 years ago.

Beating a 100 year old record with modern technology isn't something I enjoy.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim French
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:41 PM
To: ATIS Stationary Engine List
Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine

But it is steam powered!
This steam car is going to try to break the record, set in 1906, for a
steam powered car, hopefully tomorrow.
http://www.steamcar.co.uk/index.html
Also an item on the BBC news
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8208119.stm

Dolly

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From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Aug 18 17:10:14 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:10:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40B7A871CF1@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <4A8B1FDA.3090903@insulate.co.uk>
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Look at the old time motorcycle riders.  Any newbie on a modern bike  
could have kicked their asses.  So what?

I can climb routes that the pioneers of climbing considered  
unclimbable.  So what?

It's just boys going out and having a good time.





On Aug 18, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Best, George wrote:

> It will be a sad day when the record is broken.
>
> Some records are better off left alone out of respect for what they  
> accomplished over 100 years ago.
>
> Beating a 100 year old record with modern technology isn't something  
> I enjoy.
>
> George



From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Aug 18 17:52:13 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:52:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine
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	.adp.com>
References: <4A8B1FDA.3090903@insulate.co.uk>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40B7A871CF1@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <20090819011657.F05F08DCB@smtp.wcoil.com>

Records are made to be broken no matter how old they are but I agree 
in respects more to the point that it took 100?? years to do this? 
Not counting the unofficial "Barber-Nichols Team" efforts in 
1985  Which themselves only roughly equaled Marriots approx 1907 145 
mph (possibly 190) unofficial speed noted the next year.   And then 
after 100 years to break it by only 10 or 20 mph??   Surely we could 
do better then this after 100 years. Mark



At 05:57 PM 8/18/2009, you wrote:
>It will be a sad day when the record is broken.
>
>Some records are better off left alone out of respect for what they 
>accomplished over 100 years ago.
>
>Beating a 100 year old record with modern technology isn't something I enjoy.
>
>George
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim French
>Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:41 PM
>To: ATIS Stationary Engine List
>Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine
>
>But it is steam powered!
>This steam car is going to try to break the record, set in 1906, for a
>steam powered car, hopefully tomorrow.
>http://www.steamcar.co.uk/index.html
>Also an item on the BBC news
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8208119.stm
>
>Dolly
>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Aug 18 20:22:51 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 03:22:51 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Buckley Show
In-Reply-To: <66C153FD-97F9-4F93-BDBD-F805EF9C8A53@rustyiron.com>
References: <554529.79331.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><410722.10092.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com><SNT111-W12E152214A81A2D09D465C9020@phx.gbl><86435B39-36C8-4154-9C30-149D3C260812@rustyiron.com><081720091153.19883.4A89449D000F038D00004DAB223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<66C153FD-97F9-4F93-BDBD-F805EF9C8A53@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <081920090322.14349.4A8B700B000DEAA60000380D223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Please let me know ahead and can book some rooms if you need them.  Spoke to Joe Maurer today and believe he could put you both up at his house if you need be too.
Also still have to rooms not taken at Baraboo in the new section of the old motel if you should get a hair to come to Baraboo this week.  Will cancel them on thursday afternoon if no takers.
Curt
-------------- Original message from Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com>: -------------- 


> We talked seriously about going to Freeport, but September isn't far 
> off... 
> 
> 
> Rob Skinner 
> Antique Stationary Engines 
> La Habra, California 
> 
> rob at rustyiron.com 
> www.rustyiron.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 17, 2009, at 4:53 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: 
> 
> > Rob & Kelly, 
> > Hurry up and come to Baraboo this week as well as the Freeport Show 
> > in September.........there is a guy who displays those machines 
> > every year and seems to be very knowledgeable! 
> > Curt 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Aug 18 21:42:03 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:42:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine
In-Reply-To: <4A8B1FDA.3090903@insulate.co.uk>
References: <4A8B1FDA.3090903@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <b2c773824118088041e384f2b74e36cc.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Dolly,

Is that thing a steam jet or does the engine drive the wheels?

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, August 18, 2009 5:40 pm, Jim French wrote:
> But it is steam powered!
> This steam car is going to try to break the record, set in 1906, for a
> steam powered car, hopefully tomorrow.
> http://www.steamcar.co.uk/index.html
> Also an item on the BBC news
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8208119.stm




From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Wed Aug 19 03:38:09 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:38:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] BSA 420cc engine
Message-ID: <D58AE9502F124F7AB44F41CFDBDD175C@HOUSE>

Hello All
Sorry not to reply sooner, but have been away two days. ( OT--- Travel across state, collect family piano from daughter who no longer has room to keep it, bring it home next day and store it in Dad's shed. That's what Dad's shed is for isn't it??, not for repairing and displaying smelly, noisy, dirty old engines).

Anyway, thanks for the good advice everyone.
I don't need a manual, but thank you Peter Ogborne for your offer. The information on original bore size was all I needed, 82mm. I wanted to know how much wear I was reading. It seems I have a "G" model as the engine number commences with G. 

I already have one BSA 420cc, but on that one I did not need to do any work on the internals (rings and bearings etc.) 

Back to the engine my enquiry relates to. The piston has a slight concave top. This (as has been said) would not affect engine capacity, but (if all other parameters are the same) would affect the compression ratio.

Jerry, the photograph of your colleague's engine is very good- a clever display. Some details are different between his and mine- principally the fuel tank-mine is round, or tube shaped. The oil breather dipstick (combined) and oil filler cap are different too. We have used pretty much the same colour. You can't get the colour I used, at the paint shop- it's a Tedmix.

Once again 
Thank you all.

Teddee

From dombros2 at clearmail.com.au  Wed Aug 19 03:47:53 2009
From: dombros2 at clearmail.com.au (Ted & Sue Domeney)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:47:53 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Please hold thumbs for me.....
Message-ID: <9FE0333F197D43E98798A77CF56BF1EF@HOUSE>

Jerry
Well collected- you lucky !$%^(*&$)#!ix.,>!&*<_)+11$$##  !!

Good job!

Teddee.


From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Aug 19 05:00:43 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (russell gilbert)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:00:43 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Interesting wall
In-Reply-To: <C6B0D626.228D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6B0D626.228D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26223.209.254.26.66.1250683243.squirrel@webmail.ncable.com.au>

Same block as my engine
Russell
Dearborn MI

> http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1127400
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 19 08:03:32 2009
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:03:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Freeport Show
Message-ID: <914347.69553.qm@web112617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I have not been to the show down in Freeport, IL in at least 20 years. I am planning on attending there on September 19th & 20th. Are any other list members going to be there? Could we set up together like at Baraboo and Portland? 
See you at Baraboo,
Joe
Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan


      


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 19 09:03:43 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:03:43 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland aerial photo
In-Reply-To: <59359.168.215.206.73.1250610424.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <59359.168.215.206.73.1250610424.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <SNT118-W169C56808A59E78DAF0E52C8FE0@phx.gbl>


Here you go.

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/portland/portlandgrounds.html

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 

========================================
 
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:47:04 -0600
> From: curt at rustyiron.com
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Portland aerial photo
> 
> Luke maybe?
> Someone posted an aerial photo of Portland with written in identifications
> of the areas and buildings last year. Can someone provide the link for
> this.
> Or engine club has chartered a bus, and I was thinking this might help
> them find their way around.
> Curt
> 
_________________________________________________________________
Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you.
http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1

From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Aug 19 09:25:01 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:25:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine
In-Reply-To: <b2c773824118088041e384f2b74e36cc.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <4A8B1FDA.3090903@insulate.co.uk>
	<b2c773824118088041e384f2b74e36cc.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <B9D2C609-50A5-4A89-9B13-EFBB55988695@rustyiron.com>

Ahdunno much about rocket engines, Arnie, but I'll go out on a limb  
and say, "No bloody way!"  It's gotta be a turbine.

Rob



On Aug 18, 2009, at 9:42 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Hi Dolly,
>
> Is that thing a steam jet or does the engine drive the wheels?



From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Aug 19 09:31:03 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:31:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Interesting wall
In-Reply-To: <26223.209.254.26.66.1250683243.squirrel@webmail.ncable.com.au>
References: <C6B0D626.228D%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<26223.209.254.26.66.1250683243.squirrel@webmail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <3B6F77CA-85E9-41F0-8121-784109B188DC@rustyiron.com>

Don't show the picture to your neighbors, mate. They might just sneak  
in while you're away and build themselves a soundwall to keep out the  
engine racket. I was thinking that it looked like the base of OUR  
engine. Incidentally, ours is now in the garage, fueled up, and ready  
to run when you get here.  Now that I think about it, that's pretty  
stupid.  After all, if you've seen one Campbell run, you've seen 'em  
all.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Aug 19, 2009, at 5:00 AM, russell gilbert wrote:

> Same block as my engine



From gastzt at aol.com  Wed Aug 19 10:58:51 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:58:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Portland aerial photo
Message-ID: <bfa.47bb7615.37bd975b@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 8/19/2009 11:07:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
flywheelin at hotmail.com writes:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/portland/portlandgrounds.html



Hey Luke---
  Stan Zettner here---(SEL)--
  wow you did a GREAT job with your pics!   I  also have a 8hp Stover--just 
finishing it up---   just too dang hot  here right now to work on 
it----(Pleasanton, Tex) !  I have never been to  the Portland thingy--really want to 
make it someday!
  Well,  just to let you know I really enjoyed your  site--   good for an 
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From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Aug 19 11:37:37 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:37:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine
In-Reply-To: <B9D2C609-50A5-4A89-9B13-EFBB55988695@rustyiron.com>
References: <4A8B1FDA.3090903@insulate.co.uk>	<b2c773824118088041e384f2b74e36cc.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<B9D2C609-50A5-4A89-9B13-EFBB55988695@rustyiron.com>
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Rob Skinner wrote:
> Ahdunno much about rocket engines, Arnie, but I'll go out on a limb  
> and say, "No bloody way!"  It's gotta be a turbine.
> 
> Rob

Rear wheel drive with a two stage turbine.

-- 
Steve W.



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Aug 19 19:14:30 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:14:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Certainly NOT a Stationary Engine
In-Reply-To: <B9D2C609-50A5-4A89-9B13-EFBB55988695@rustyiron.com>
References: <4A8B1FDA.3090903@insulate.co.uk>
	<b2c773824118088041e384f2b74e36cc.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
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WOT???  They wind the steam around the driver's head?  Is he Muslim?

On Wed, August 19, 2009 12:25 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
> Ahdunno much about rocket engines, Arnie, but I'll go out on a limb
> and say, "No bloody way!"  It's gotta be a turbine.





From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Aug 20 02:15:02 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:15:02 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Freeport Show
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Joe it would be pleasure to have you set up with us at Freeport Show.  Will reserve a spot for you.  How much room will you need?  If you attend Baraboo this weekend can chat more.
thanks,
Curt Andree
815-238-7316
-------------- Original message from Joe Prindle <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>: -------------- 

I have not been to the show down in Freeport, IL in at least 20 years. I am planning on attending there on September 19th & 20th. Are any other list members 
> going to be there? Could we set up together like at Baraboo and Portland? 
> See you at Baraboo, 
> Joe 
> Joe Prindle 
> Baraboo, WI USA "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike 
> Milligan 
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From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Aug 20 09:38:27 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:38:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
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This past weekend I was at a show, and the host of the show had nice 2hp tank cooled engine for me to play with.

This is a early (1901-1903) engine and one of the things I noticed on this engine was that the flat belt pulley was actually cast with the flywheel.  In other words the pulley cannot be removed or separated from the flywheel.

I cannot think of any other engines at the moment with the flywheel and pulley cast together.

Does anyone here know of some examples?

This is only for flat belt pulleys, not vee belt grooves cut into the flywheel face or any other engines where the flywheel face is being used as the pulley.  I mean examples that look like a common bolt on flat belt pulley or the type that would slide on the crankshaft.

George


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From mgomaize at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 20 10:46:23 2009
From: mgomaize at yahoo.com (Tony Pitts)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:46:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] 2HP United Type A spring
Message-ID: <370911.81031.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello,

I have a 2HP United that is missing the spring that helps the ignitor return to the proper position to be tripped again.  I am hoping one of the talented people on the list could help me locate one, or has the talent to make one.  I have no sample to work from.  

Thanks,

Tony



From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Aug 20 10:58:09 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:58:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
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Early Maytag engines built by Elgin were that way. Mark


At 12:38 PM 8/20/2009, you wrote:
>This past weekend I was at a show, and the host of the show had nice 
>2hp tank cooled engine for me to play with.
>
>This is a early (1901-1903) engine and one of the things I noticed 
>on this engine was that the flat belt pulley was actually cast with 
>the flywheel.  In other words the pulley cannot be removed or 
>separated from the flywheel.
>
>I cannot think of any other engines at the moment with the flywheel 
>and pulley cast together.
>
>Does anyone here know of some examples?
>
>This is only for flat belt pulleys, not vee belt grooves cut into 
>the flywheel face or any other engines where the flywheel face is 
>being used as the pulley.  I mean examples that look like a common 
>bolt on flat belt pulley or the type that would slide on the crankshaft.
>
>George
>
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Aug 20 11:33:53 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:33:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 2HP United Type A spring
In-Reply-To: <370911.81031.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090820183355.36A5D4448B8@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Tony, United and Associated are similar engines using common igniters. Hit
and Miss and Starbolt carry the spring. Jimmy O'Hagan

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tony Pitts
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:46 AM
To: SEL; Old Engine
Subject: [SEL] 2HP United Type A spring

Hello,

I have a 2HP United that is missing the spring that helps the ignitor return
to the proper position to be tripped again.  I am hoping one of the talented
people on the list could help me locate one, or has the talent to make one.
I have no sample to work from.  

Thanks,

Tony

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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Aug 20 11:45:26 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:45:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
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Springfield engines had the pulley and flywheel cast together.  I had
another engine here that the pulley and flywheel were cast as one but
darned if I can remember the name right now.  If I come up with it I'll
pass it on.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best,
George
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:38 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's

This past weekend I was at a show, and the host of the show had nice 2hp
tank cooled engine for me to play with.

This is a early (1901-1903) engine and one of the things I noticed on
this engine was that the flat belt pulley was actually cast with the
flywheel.  In other words the pulley cannot be removed or separated from
the flywheel.

I cannot think of any other engines at the moment with the flywheel and
pulley cast together.

Does anyone here know of some examples?

This is only for flat belt pulleys, not vee belt grooves cut into the
flywheel face or any other engines where the flywheel face is being used
as the pulley.  I mean examples that look like a common bolt on flat
belt pulley or the type that would slide on the crankshaft.

George


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From lfevans at pacbell.net  Thu Aug 20 12:13:22 2009
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:13:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
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George,

I know you are thinking of engines a little more exotic but a Fairbanks 
Morse ZD seems to meet your description.

Larry Evans

At 09:38 AM 8/20/2009, you wrote:
>This past weekend I was at a show, and the host of the show had nice 2hp 
>tank cooled engine for me to play with.
>
>This is a early (1901-1903) engine and one of the things I noticed on this 
>engine was that the flat belt pulley was actually cast with the 
>flywheel.  In other words the pulley cannot be removed or separated from 
>the flywheel.
>
>I cannot think of any other engines at the moment with the flywheel and 
>pulley cast together.
>
>Does anyone here know of some examples?
>
>This is only for flat belt pulleys, not vee belt grooves cut into the 
>flywheel face or any other engines where the flywheel face is being used 
>as the pulley.  I mean examples that look like a common bolt on flat belt 
>pulley or the type that would slide on the crankshaft.
>
>George
>
>
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From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Aug 20 12:31:37 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:31:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
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Larry,

You're right.  I am looking for engines that it was done for reasons other than making the engine cheaper to build.

I was sure I'd get some examples of low end engines, but was interested in Tommy saying the Springfield had the pulley cast as part of the flywheel.

The engine I was playing with is a German engine and it definitely wasn't done to save on production cost!  Too much other machined and numbered parts to believe they were trying to cut cost.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Evans
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:13 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] flat belt pulley's

George,

I know you are thinking of engines a little more exotic but a Fairbanks 
Morse ZD seems to meet your description.

Larry Evans



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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 15:19:37 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:19:37 +1000
Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
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The only one that immediately comes to mind is 'Grob':
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/heyfield2003/hey03219.JPG
I will have a bit more of a think as I am sure there are others but it is
not a common practice.
Some of the 'electric' versions of engines had extra wide flywheel faces for
belt use rather than pulleys.


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Aug 20 15:44:55 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:44:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
In-Reply-To: <C6B40919.2311%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
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Thanks Patrick!

That's an interesting engine.  Never seen one like it.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Livingstone
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:20 PM
To: ATIS
Subject: Re: [SEL] flat belt pulley's

The only one that immediately comes to mind is 'Grob':
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/heyfield2003/hey03219.JPG
I will have a bit more of a think as I am sure there are others but it is
not a common practice.
Some of the 'electric' versions of engines had extra wide flywheel faces for
belt use rather than pulleys.


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html



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From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Aug 20 15:47:34 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (russell gilbert)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:47:34 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Interesting wall
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Rob they are probably like them bum crack australs anyway!

Russell

> Don't show the picture to your neighbors, mate. They might just sneak
> in while you're away and build themselves a soundwall to keep out the
> engine racket. I was thinking that it looked like the base of OUR
> engine. Incidentally, ours is now in the garage, fueled up, and ready
> to run when you get here.  Now that I think about it, that's pretty
> stupid.  After all, if you've seen one Campbell run, you've seen 'em
> all.
>
>
> Rob Skinner
> Antique Stationary Engines
> La Habra, California
>
> rob at rustyiron.com
> www.rustyiron.com
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>
>
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2009, at 5:00 AM, russell gilbert wrote:
>
>> Same block as my engine
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 20 15:55:52 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:55:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
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	<F2B099B75E164DA1B8A756F2C0501380@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <COL112-W94CE0016434F90CA2222795FD0@phx.gbl>


The small C H&E engines had a stepped pulley cast into one flywheel, Steve
 
> From: lcjudge at scrtc.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:45:26 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
> 
> Springfield engines had the pulley and flywheel cast together. I had
> another engine here that the pulley and flywheel were cast as one but
> darned if I can remember the name right now. If I come up with it I'll
> pass it on.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best,
> George
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:38 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
> 
> This past weekend I was at a show, and the host of the show had nice 2hp
> tank cooled engine for me to play with.
> 
> This is a early (1901-1903) engine and one of the things I noticed on
> this engine was that the flat belt pulley was actually cast with the
> flywheel. In other words the pulley cannot be removed or separated from
> the flywheel.
> 
> I cannot think of any other engines at the moment with the flywheel and
> pulley cast together.
> 
> Does anyone here know of some examples?
> 
> This is only for flat belt pulleys, not vee belt grooves cut into the
> flywheel face or any other engines where the flywheel face is being used
> as the pulley. I mean examples that look like a common bolt on flat
> belt pulley or the type that would slide on the crankshaft.
> 
> George
> 
> 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Aug 20 16:06:30 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (lcjudge at scrtc.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:06:30 +0000
Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W94CE0016434F90CA2222795FD0@phx.gbl>
References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40B7A9F5A2B@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com><F2B099B75E164DA1B8A756F2C0501380@tommyd0x52gkco><COL112-W94CE0016434F90CA2222795FD0@phx.gbl>
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Yup Steve, that's what I used to have that I couldn't remember the name of.

Tommy Turner



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-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:55:52 
To: The SEL email discussion list<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] flat belt pulley's



The small C H&E engines had a stepped pulley cast into one flywheel, Steve
 
> From: lcjudge at scrtc.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:45:26 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
> 
> Springfield engines had the pulley and flywheel cast together. I had
> another engine here that the pulley and flywheel were cast as one but
> darned if I can remember the name right now. If I come up with it I'll
> pass it on.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best,
> George
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:38 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] flat belt pulley's
> 
> This past weekend I was at a show, and the host of the show had nice 2hp
> tank cooled engine for me to play with.
> 
> This is a early (1901-1903) engine and one of the things I noticed on
> this engine was that the flat belt pulley was actually cast with the
> flywheel. In other words the pulley cannot be removed or separated from
> the flywheel.
> 
> I cannot think of any other engines at the moment with the flywheel and
> pulley cast together.
> 
> Does anyone here know of some examples?
> 
> This is only for flat belt pulleys, not vee belt grooves cut into the
> flywheel face or any other engines where the flywheel face is being used
> as the pulley. I mean examples that look like a common bolt on flat
> belt pulley or the type that would slide on the crankshaft.
> 
> George
> 
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 22:44:21 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:44:21 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Bartram Video
Message-ID: <C6B5C2D5.234E%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I have just uploaded a little video of my Bartram 5hp running at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnfKkHdwYhw

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From rob at rustyiron.com  Sat Aug 22 05:27:43 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 05:27:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bartram Video
In-Reply-To: <C6B5C2D5.234E%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <C6B5C2D5.234E%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <953B6743-D863-4EA5-8E3D-7C38179B10B6@rustyiron.com>

Beautiful engine, Patrick, and she runs so nicely!  The crankcase  
cover artwork would make a good tattoo, or at least a t-shirt graphic.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
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On Aug 21, 2009, at 10:44 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:

> I have just uploaded a little video of my Bartram 5hp running at:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnfKkHdwYhw
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
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From jbcast at charter.net  Sat Aug 22 13:06:55 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:06:55 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Babbit reminder
In-Reply-To: <295762869-1250809590-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2064657219-@bxe1099.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20090822160655.EDHS8.3985520.root@mp19>


Tommy, just a reminder about the babbit. I would like 25lbs, Dickie Gibbens would like 25lbs also if you can spare it, if not we'll share.
Thanks,
J.B. 


From GRookus2 at comcast.net  Sat Aug 22 13:32:23 2009
From: GRookus2 at comcast.net (Gary Rookus)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:32:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Bartram Video
References: <C6B5C2D5.234E%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BC63BBC1340D432DAE75B1804BB52CA9@gary>

Nice running eng.you sure have some great eng. over there,thanks for the 
video gary
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Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 1:44 AM
Subject: [SEL] Bartram Video


>I have just uploaded a little video of my Bartram 5hp running at:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnfKkHdwYhw
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 27 02:54:23 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 02:54:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
In-Reply-To: <BC63BBC1340D432DAE75B1804BB52CA9@gary>
Message-ID: <713465.18869.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Howdy Folks?
Why is this grouop acting so dead?

well,,, I've gotta get to work,,,,
Alan in Michigan


From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Aug 27 04:55:41 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:55:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
Message-ID: <bdd.5800ed21.37c7ce3d@aol.com>

The Portland  show is on and were missing out.
KK
 
 
In a message dated 8/27/2009 5:58:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rustaholic777 at yahoo.com writes:

Howdy  Folks?
Why is this grouop acting so dead?

well,,, I've gotta get to  work,,,,
Alan in Michigan



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 27 04:57:24 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 04:57:24 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [SEL] Edd Payne
Message-ID: <2862193.1251374244680.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Hey Edd Payne, Kenny Wolf's daughter has been trying to email you and they keep bouncing.  She is worried about you so you would please email her so as to ease her mind.

Tim Christoff
Basehor KS.
currently Portland.


From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 27 05:30:43 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:30:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
In-Reply-To: <bdd.5800ed21.37c7ce3d@aol.com>
References: <bdd.5800ed21.37c7ce3d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W1420E62E834F0FB5F8F7B6C2F60@phx.gbl>


I'm not there yet, I won't be there till tomorrow  :(   

 

Tom Winland

Ohio
 
> From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:55:41 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
> 
> The Portland show is on and were missing out.
> KK
> 
> 
> In a message dated 8/27/2009 5:58:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> rustaholic777 at yahoo.com writes:
> 
> Howdy Folks?
> Why is this grouop acting so dead?
> 
> well,,, I've gotta get to work,,,,
> Alan in Michigan
> 
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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Aug 27 05:39:44 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:39:44 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
Message-ID: <c0f.57163c41.37c7d890@aol.com>

Why go now Tom all the deals are gone. Take a go cart with you and have  
some fun.
KK 
 
 
In a message dated 8/27/2009 8:38:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
gasenginetom at hotmail.com writes:

I'm not  there yet, I won't be there till tomorrow  :(    



Tom  Winland

Ohio



From Dvswan03 at aol.com  Thu Aug 27 05:44:40 2009
From: Dvswan03 at aol.com (Dvswan03 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:44:40 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
Message-ID: <c02.644331fd.37c7d9b8@aol.com>

don't get to go to Portland this year ,but had a great time in Baraboo last 
 week with the group that was going to Portland. Hope they are having a  
blast!!!   Mary at home in Freeport,Il.


From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 27 05:58:57 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:58:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
In-Reply-To: <c0f.57163c41.37c7d890@aol.com>
References: <c0f.57163c41.37c7d890@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W184D11C0A5A7814A89DF36C2F60@phx.gbl>


Only reason I'm going is to pick up some new toys that are getting delivered and to deliver some engines that are already sold.

 

I'm picking up a sideshaft 8 HP Weber and a early ported exhaust 6 HP Domestic  :)
 

Tom Winland

Ohio

 
> From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:39:44 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
> 
> Why go now Tom all the deals are gone. Take a go cart with you and have 
> some fun.
> KK 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 8/27/2009 8:38:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> gasenginetom at hotmail.com writes:
> 
> I'm not there yet, I won't be there till tomorrow :( 
> 
> 
> 
> Tom Winland
> 
> Ohio
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu Aug 27 07:00:26 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:00:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
In-Reply-To: <c02.644331fd.37c7d9b8@aol.com>
References: <c02.644331fd.37c7d9b8@aol.com>
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Hey, Mary.  I didn't know you were on the list!  I heard Boogaloo was  
better than ever.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
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On Aug 27, 2009, at 5:44 AM, Dvswan03 at aol.com wrote:

> don't get to go to Portland this year ,but had a great time in  
> Baraboo last
> week with the group that was going to Portland. Hope they are having a
> blast!!!   Mary at home in Freeport,Il.


From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Aug 27 12:59:02 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:59:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
Message-ID: <d23.4a87cd19.37c83f86@aol.com>

Since the list is slow, thought I would send you this photo of a snake  
that paid a visit to our home one evening a while ago.
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg) 
 
 
 
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Concord, Va.
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From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Aug 27 13:10:46 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:10:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
In-Reply-To: <d23.4a87cd19.37c83f86@aol.com>
References: <d23.4a87cd19.37c83f86@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD40B7ADDD93C@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

What type of snake is that?

Don't say it's a door snake ! ;-)

George

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:59 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] snake OT

Since the list is slow, thought I would send you this photo of a snake  
that paid a visit to our home one evening a while ago.
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg) 
 
 
 
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Aug 27 14:47:41 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:47:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
Message-ID: <20090827.144756.18162.179807@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com>

Looks like he almost rang the doorbell.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:59:02 EDT Germoamer at aol.com writes:
> Since the list is slow, thought I would send you this photo of a 
> snake  
> that paid a visit to our home one evening a while ago.
>  
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg_ 
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg) 
>  
>  
>  
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Aug 27 14:53:52 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:53:52 EDT
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
Message-ID: <c92.520f9fcd.37c85a70@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 8/27/2009 4:19:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
George_Best at adp.com writes:

What  type of snake is that?



That is a black snake and a good size one at that.  I picked him up  with a 
stick and threw him 3 times across the yard till he was out in the field  
headed for the woods.  He has not been back and I do not think he liked the  
flying thru the air part!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Aug 27 15:24:43 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:24:43 EDT
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
Message-ID: <caa.4d2b7a9d.37c861ab@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 8/27/2009 5:58:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
rdhaskell at juno.com writes:

Looks  like he almost rang the doorbell.


The worst part was that I went to walk out the kitchen door and had hold of 
 the handle before I realized the snake was staring me right in the face.  
I  think I backed up about 5 feet in one movement!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Aug 27 16:22:49 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:22:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
In-Reply-To: <d23.4a87cd19.37c83f86@aol.com>
References: <d23.4a87cd19.37c83f86@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS9B5AE003BB5C0D9E08439BBF60@phx.gbl>

HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!









----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:59 PM
Subject: [SEL] snake OT


> Since the list is slow, thought I would send you this photo of a snake
> that paid a visit to our home one evening a while ago.
>
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg_
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg)
>
>
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
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From gastzt at aol.com  Thu Aug 27 16:36:19 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:36:19 EDT
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
Message-ID: <c32.5c9263d9.37c87273@aol.com>

That's just what I thought too----LOL
 Stan Zettner
                old stovers
Pleasanton, Tx


From obise at moscow.com  Thu Aug 27 16:59:01 2009
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:59:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
In-Reply-To: <d23.4a87cd19.37c83f86@aol.com>
References: <d23.4a87cd19.37c83f86@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4906EB6149BD4FE9B45BF37B5E4C6270@CathyComp>

When c'n I get one of those Gumby snakes?  I'd like to play some tricks on
some folks who need some variety in their lives. 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
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So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:59 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] snake OT

Since the list is slow, thought I would send you this photo of a snake  
that paid a visit to our home one evening a while ago.
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg) 
 
 
 
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 27 17:22:38 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:22:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
In-Reply-To: <c92.520f9fcd.37c85a70@aol.com>
Message-ID: <817820.2149.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I once ran into one that size in central Missouri.
They seem harmless enough.  Nothing at all like the Copperheads in the same area.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Thu, 8/27/09, Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:

> From: Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] snake OT
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 5:53 PM
>  
> In a message dated 8/27/2009 4:19:23 PM Eastern Daylight
> Time,? 
> George_Best at adp.com
> writes:
> 
> What? type of snake is that?
> 
> 
> 
> That is a black snake and a good size one at that.? I
> picked him up? with a 
> stick and threw him 3 times across the yard till he was out
> in the field? 
> headed for the woods.? He has not been back and I do
> not think he liked the? 
> flying thru the air part!? 
> 
> Tom? Schmutz
> Concord,? Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> 
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From Dvswan03 at aol.com  Thu Aug 27 20:20:45 2009
From: Dvswan03 at aol.com (Dvswan03 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:20:45 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
Message-ID: <cc7.5c6402f5.37c8a70d@aol.com>

yep,I'm here. it was a good time at Baraboo .wish you and Kelly could have  
made it. maybe next year I can go back to Portland.
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Aug 28 01:56:06 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (jopeter at omninet.net.au)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:56:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT Snakes ...Australian
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Aug 28 01:58:10 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (jopeter at omninet.net.au)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:58:10 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT Snakes ...Australian
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 28 03:28:38 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:28:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] OT Snakes ...Australian
In-Reply-To: <20090828085606.0207A2CB1F@den1tools02.photobucket.com>
Message-ID: <791006.68828.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Looks like a good eating size.
?
Alan in Michigan

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Subject: [SEL] OT Snakes ...Australian
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 4:56 AM


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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Aug 28 05:44:46 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:44:46 EDT
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
Message-ID: <c26.640b431e.37c92b3e@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 8/27/2009 7:28:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

HOLY  CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Rick,
 
I might have said something like that too when I had the door handle in my  
hand and saw it at eye level and jumped back 5 ft.  We had just had a  
severe thunderstorm with torrential rain for a short time.  The storm may  have 
made it come up on the carport.  If it had been poisonous, it surely  would 
have not lived long.  But, a blacksnake is good to keep away mice,  etc.  If 
it stays around out buildings, ok, otherwise it is going  elsewhere!
 
Glad the photo got us lurkers talking!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Aug 28 06:01:51 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 07:01:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
In-Reply-To: <c26.640b431e.37c92b3e@aol.com>
References: <c26.640b431e.37c92b3e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS2F60289016217F80E38C9BBF50@phx.gbl>

Did your wife know it was there?  She's seems quite calm in the photo.



Rick












----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] snake OT


>
> In a message dated 8/27/2009 7:28:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:
>
> HOLY  CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> Rick,
>
> I might have said something like that too when I had the door handle in my
> hand and saw it at eye level and jumped back 5 ft.  We had just had a
> severe thunderstorm with torrential rain for a short time.  The storm may 
> have
> made it come up on the carport.  If it had been poisonous, it surely 
> would
> have not lived long.  But, a blacksnake is good to keep away mice,  etc. 
> If
> it stays around out buildings, ok, otherwise it is going  elsewhere!
>
> Glad the photo got us lurkers talking!
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Aug 28 06:19:49 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:19:49 EDT
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
Message-ID: <cbc.47c39c80.37c93375@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 8/28/2009 9:08:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

Did your  wife know it was there?  She's seems quite calm in the  photo


When I jumped back, she knew something was not right and saw the  snake.  
She was working on a crossword puzzle and promptly told me to get  rid of it! 
 She usually will let me give the snake a first chance, second  visit time 
is a dead snake!  Snake in the bird houses is also a dead  one.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Aug 27 18:11:52 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:11:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
Message-ID: <20090828.073601.12940.36604@mailpop09.vgs.untd.com>

Keep him there, Tom

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:59:02 EDT Germoamer at aol.com writes:
> Since the list is slow, thought I would send you this photo of a 
> snake  
> that paid a visit to our home one evening a while ago.
>  
> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg_ 
> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/visitor.jpg) 
>  
>  
>  
> Tom  Schmutz
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Aug 28 14:57:22 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:57:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEONIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Gang:

I'm planning on making a butt-buggy to be powered by the Homemade Hvid engine.  I would like to use a novel (but not revolutionary) method of driving the tranny, though.

I plan to generate 12 Volts to keep a small battery charged and to run a 12 Volt motor connected to a Sears Suburban (Interstate) transaxle.

What I'm looking for is a small alternator that will make a maximum of 20 amps at 14 volts.  I'd prefer a unit that requires an external regulator (which I will design and build).  I will make a flat belt pulley to drive it from a flywheel of the engine at around 4,000 RPM.  Used is fine as long as it works.  Cheap is excellent, as this project is running way over budget.  :-)  What else is new??!!

Whatcha got?  What can you suggest (make and model of something I can get the alternator off of at a junkyard.

Thanks and take care - Elden DuRand
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 




From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Fri Aug 28 14:11:27 2009
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:11:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEONIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEONIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <749FA73550E343418B7E4E4AD61E131F@Eagle>


	There is a "butt buggy" at Portland powered by a battery with a
gasoline engine driving a 28v - I believe - generator to charge the
batteries. It was in the large engine area. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 5:57 PM
To: Stationary Engine List
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.

Gang:

I'm planning on making a butt-buggy to be powered by the Homemade Hvid
engine.  I would like to use a novel (but not revolutionary) method of
driving the tranny, though.

I plan to generate 12 Volts to keep a small battery charged and to run a 12
Volt motor connected to a Sears Suburban (Interstate) transaxle.

What I'm looking for is a small alternator that will make a maximum of 20
amps at 14 volts.  I'd prefer a unit that requires an external regulator
(which I will design and build).  I will make a flat belt pulley to drive it
from a flywheel of the engine at around 4,000 RPM.  Used is fine as long as
it works.  Cheap is excellent, as this project is running way over budget.
:-)  What else is new??!!

Whatcha got?  What can you suggest (make and model of something I can get
the alternator off of at a junkyard.

Thanks and take care - Elden DuRand
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 


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From kimmell at verizon.net  Fri Aug 28 14:55:00 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (kimmell at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:55:00 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEONIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEONIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <1529047903-1251496655-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1935760481-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Elden,
Why only 20 amps?  Most automotive alternators that I've messed with have a capacity of at least 60-80 amps, all the way up to 160 amps for the heavy duty ones.  If you're building a regulator it shouldn't really matter though.

Most of the older Ford/Lincoln/Mercury vehicles from the 70's and early 80's used external regulators.

-Tony



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-----Original Message-----
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:57:22 
To: Stationary Engine List<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.


Gang:

I'm planning on making a butt-buggy to be powered by the Homemade Hvid engine.  I would like to use a novel (but not revolutionary) method of driving the tranny, though.

I plan to generate 12 Volts to keep a small battery charged and to run a 12 Volt motor connected to a Sears Suburban (Interstate) transaxle.

What I'm looking for is a small alternator that will make a maximum of 20 amps at 14 volts.  I'd prefer a unit that requires an external regulator (which I will design and build).  I will make a flat belt pulley to drive it from a flywheel of the engine at around 4,000 RPM.  Used is fine as long as it works.  Cheap is excellent, as this project is running way over budget.  :-)  What else is new??!!

Whatcha got?  What can you suggest (make and model of something I can get the alternator off of at a junkyard.

Thanks and take care - Elden DuRand
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 


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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 28 16:15:11 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:15:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEONIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <206392.85632.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I used to own Opels 1967 to 1985 and they all had a 28 or 35 Amp alt.
They did have an external regulator.
Good luck finding one in a junkyard now. 8>))
?
The 92 Amp alts from some Ford Tempo cars that I scrapped?out a couple years ago were actually sized smaller than the Opel ones from much earlier.
?
Do want the 20 Amp one because it will be a smaller demand on the engine?
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:


From: Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 5:57 PM


Gang:

I'm planning on making a butt-buggy to be powered by the Homemade Hvid engine.? I would like to use a novel (but not revolutionary) method of driving the tranny, though.

I plan to generate 12 Volts to keep a small battery charged and to run a 12 Volt motor connected to a Sears Suburban (Interstate) transaxle.

What I'm looking for is a small alternator that will make a maximum of 20 amps at 14 volts.? I'd prefer a unit that requires an external regulator (which I will design and build).? I will make a flat belt pulley to drive it from a flywheel of the engine at around 4,000 RPM.? Used is fine as long as it works.? Cheap is excellent, as this project is running way over budget.? :-)? What else is new??!!

Whatcha got?? What can you suggest (make and model of something I can get the alternator off of at a junkyard.

Thanks and take care - Elden DuRand
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 


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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 28 16:23:48 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:23:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
Message-ID: <BAY127-W4F76A095CDE5B91E7B58CCBF50@phx.gbl>


Blacksnakes are harmless.  We had numerous around our old home in Kansas.  Some would show up in the spring, identifiable by marks, coloration, or wounds.  The biggest we would pick up and handle for a short while, and he/she would relax while being stroked.  We would measure the critter by laying it out on the one foot tiles on the kitchen floor.  He would gain nearly a foot a year.  They were always welcome because they kept down the rodents, and we lived next to a large wooded area that supplied plenty!

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 28 16:53:15 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:53:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
In-Reply-To: <c26.640b431e.37c92b3e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <759471.12794.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

About 40 years ago we made trip out to Montana. On the way back it was all in a heavy rain
Driving a couple hundred miles running over thousands of snakes per hour?was cool.
They were way too thick to stop and get out of the car.
When it finally got to where we couldn't see more than a dozen at a time in the headlights my step-father stopped the car and used his handy slingshot and a handful of ball bearings?to shoot a dozen diamondback rattlers in the head?then he?cut off their rattles.
?
I guess they were his war trophy.
??????
?
Right now a lady at work is very happy to have a large mystery snake in her garden eating all the bugs.
Just today though she told us that it was hissing at her when she was trying to pick some zucchini.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:


From: Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] snake OT
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 8:44 AM



In a message dated 8/27/2009 7:28:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,? 
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

HOLY? CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Rick,

I might have said something like that too when I had the door handle in my? 
hand and saw it at eye level and jumped back 5 ft.? We had just had a? 
severe thunderstorm with torrential rain for a short time.? The storm may? have 
made it come up on the carport.? If it had been poisonous, it surely? would 
have not lived long.? But, a blacksnake is good to keep away mice,? etc.? If 
it stays around out buildings, ok, otherwise it is going? elsewhere!

Glad the photo got us lurkers talking!? 

Tom? Schmutz
Concord,? Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Aug 28 18:50:41 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:50:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <206392.85632.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEOPIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Alan:

Yes, I don't have a whole lot of power out of the 12.5 cubic inch Hvid I built.  I figure I should be able to make 10-15 amps at full engine output.  You can see the engine on my website below.

I'll design my regulator so I have an output current adjustment.  That way, I can set the max. load so the engine can just barely pull it.  The battery will supply the peak power required over that the alternator can supply.

I may just go to Pick-A-Part and find something that looks likely.

THEN, I have to find a motor of about 1/4 HP. 

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Alan
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 06:15 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
> 
> 
> I used to own Opels 1967 to 1985 and they all had 
> a 28 or 35 Amp alt.
> They did have an external regulator.
> Good luck finding one in a junkyard now. 8>))
> ?
> The 92 Amp alts from some Ford Tempo cars that I 
> scrapped?out a couple years ago were actually 
> sized smaller than the Opel ones from much earlier.
> ?
> Do want the 20 Amp one because it will be a 
> smaller demand on the engine?
> ?
> Alan in Michigan




From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Aug 28 18:51:56 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:51:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <1529047903-1251496655-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1935760481-@bxe1176.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEOPIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tony:

The engine will only make enough power for a theoretical 10-15 amps so I don't need much of an alternator.

Of course, a larger alternator will just loaf that much more.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> kimmell at verizon.net
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 04:55 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
> 
> 
> Elden,
> Why only 20 amps?  Most automotive alternators 
> that I've messed with have a capacity of at least 
> 60-80 amps, all the way up to 160 amps for the 
> heavy duty ones.  If you're building a regulator 
> it shouldn't really matter though.
> 
> Most of the older Ford/Lincoln/Mercury vehicles 
> from the 70's and early 80's used external regulators.
> 
> -Tony




From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Aug 28 18:56:07 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:56:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <749FA73550E343418B7E4E4AD61E131F@Eagle>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEOPIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Hey Bob!!:

How'ya doin'?

Did you ever get your lineshaft engine sorted out?

My butt-buggy is going to use 12 Volt electrics.  I did say that I ain't breakin' new ground.  :-)

If I run out of options or the stuff to do it is too dear, I could just take my two old 90 Volt P.M. variable speed motors and use one of 'em as a generator and the other as a motor and dispense with the battery.  I don't think I want to lug around 8 12 volt batteries!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Bob Willman
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 04:11 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
> 
> 
> 
> 	There is a "butt buggy" at Portland powered 
> by a battery with a
> gasoline engine driving a 28v - I believe - 
> generator to charge the
> batteries. It was in the large engine area. 
> 
> 
> Bob Willman
> Bowling Green, Ohio
> The Eagle's Anvil




From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Fri Aug 28 18:53:37 2009
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:53:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEOPIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <749FA73550E343418B7E4E4AD61E131F@Eagle>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEOPIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <D37E98ACD7F64349B934685E02ABED59@Eagle>


	Not completely. I will run when it feels like running which isn't
very often and not very reliably. I talked with several folks at Portland
again and have a couple more things to try. I am still using your electronic
ignition system. When I find out what the problem really is, I will probably
kick my self for taking this long to find it. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:56 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.

Hey Bob!!:

How'ya doin'?

Did you ever get your lineshaft engine sorted out?

My butt-buggy is going to use 12 Volt electrics.  I did say that I ain't
breakin' new ground.  :-)

If I run out of options or the stuff to do it is too dear, I could just take
my two old 90 Volt P.M. variable speed motors and use one of 'em as a
generator and the other as a motor and dispense with the battery.  I don't
think I want to lug around 8 12 volt batteries!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Bob Willman
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 04:11 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
> 
> 
> 
> 	There is a "butt buggy" at Portland powered by a battery with a 
> gasoline engine driving a 28v - I believe - generator to charge the 
> batteries. It was in the large engine area.
> 
> 
> Bob Willman
> Bowling Green, Ohio
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Aug 29 06:30:46 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:30:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <D37E98ACD7F64349B934685E02ABED59@Eagle>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEPBIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Bob:

It's too bad I'm not closer.  I could come up and tinker with that Reid(?).  I'm sure it's something dead simple like a bad spark plug, flooding or a leaking/sticky valve.

You're persistent!  Keep on it and let me know when you find out what the gremlin is.

BTW, what do you use for lineshaft power when the engine is not cooperating?

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Bob Willman
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 08:54 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
> 
> 
> 
> 	Not completely. I will run when it feels 
> like running which isn't
> very often and not very reliably. I talked with 
> several folks at Portland
> again and have a couple more things to try. I am 
> still using your electronic
> ignition system. When I find out what the problem 
> really is, I will probably
> kick my self for taking this long to find it. 
> 
> 
> Bob Willman




From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Sat Aug 29 06:27:52 2009
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 09:27:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEPBIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <D37E98ACD7F64349B934685E02ABED59@Eagle>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEPBIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <DC4369AB82424BC08B1E828F13A63458@Eagle>


	Without the Superior running everything is hand powered. Damn! 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden DuRand
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:31 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.

Bob:

It's too bad I'm not closer.  I could come up and tinker with that Reid(?).
I'm sure it's something dead simple like a bad spark plug, flooding or a
leaking/sticky valve.

You're persistent!  Keep on it and let me know when you find out what the
gremlin is.

BTW, what do you use for lineshaft power when the engine is not cooperating?

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Bob Willman
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 08:54 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
> 
> 
> 
> 	Not completely. I will run when it feels like running which isn't 
> very often and not very reliably. I talked with several folks at 
> Portland again and have a couple more things to try. I am still using 
> your electronic ignition system. When I find out what the problem 
> really is, I will probably kick my self for taking this long to find 
> it.
> 
> 
> Bob Willman


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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 29 10:08:55 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:08:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1251561602.25765.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.3.1251561602.25765.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W2424B7B137067C1261FE8ECBF40@phx.gbl>


"Right now a lady at work is very happy to have a large mystery snake in her garden eating all the bugs.
Just today though she told us that it was hissing at her when she was trying to pick some zucchini.
?
Alan in Michigan"

She should listen to the snake.  That stuff isn't good for you.

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



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armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Aug 29 12:04:13 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:04:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <DC4369AB82424BC08B1E828F13A63458@Eagle>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEPDIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Bob:

Well, at least, I was close.  Still a big honkin' engine!

Can't you operate a forge blower, hold the workpiece and hammer on it at the same time?  Geez!  No-talent youngsters!    :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Bob Willman
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 08:28 AM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
> 
> 
> 
> 	Without the Superior running everything is 
> hand powered. Damn! 




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 29 15:45:38 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:45:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W2424B7B137067C1261FE8ECBF40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <435325.57533.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Wuss,,,
I am guessing you don't eat Broccoli either. 8>))
?
Slice some rings off a not too big Zucchini and some off a Yellow-Neck and soften them up in a frying pan then pour sour cream all over them and sprinkle a little dillweed over it all.
I just had a plate of that. Yummy.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 8/29/09, Bruce Younger <sluggo54 at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Bruce Younger <sluggo54 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] snake OT
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 1:08 PM



"Right now a lady at work is very happy to have a large mystery snake in her garden eating all the bugs.
Just today though she told us that it was hissing at her when she was trying to pick some zucchini.
?
Alan in Michigan"

She should listen to the snake.? That stuff isn't good for you.

Bruce Younger???

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68???

Madison, SD? 

sluggo54 at hotmail.com???



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armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."???

E. Hemingway



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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 29 18:07:03 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:07:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Emmanual King Foundry
Message-ID: <354451.95515.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Do any of you know is he is still casting and selling iron cart wheels?
OR, Do you know of another good source for cast iron cart wheels?
?
I need a dozen or so for carts I want to build this Winter.
?
Alan in Michigan

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Aug 29 19:59:20 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:59:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
In-Reply-To: <435325.57533.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <435325.57533.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7a8c0602aea1ef4767b91c92ad1a1b0b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

And if you have some of those MONSTER Zucchini lurking in the garden, cut 'em into
cubes.  Saute them in butter with some chopped onion, hot pepper cheese cubes, and
seasoned croutons.  The cheese melts and sorta binds it all together.  DELISH!!

On Sat, August 29, 2009 6:45 pm, Alan wrote:
> ?
> Slice some rings off a not too big Zucchini and some off a Yellow-Neck and soften
> them up in a frying pan then pour sour cream all over them and sprinkle a little
> dillweed over it all.
> I just had a plate of that. Yummy.




From gastzt at aol.com  Sat Aug 29 20:21:35 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:21:35 EDT
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
Message-ID: <c4b.5b65e1ed.37cb4a3f@aol.com>

Alan,  that sounds GREAT--- and sit there and watch an  old engine run!  LOL
 Stan
Pleasanton, Tx


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Aug 30 05:33:04 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 08:33:04 EDT
Subject: [SEL] snake OT
Message-ID: <c97.4b8fbd1d.37cbcb80@aol.com>

Wife makes zucchini bread.  YUM!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com



From jbcast at charter.net  Sun Aug 30 07:55:47 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 7:55:47 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEONIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20090830105547.XCUF8.4237035.root@mp08>


-
> 
> What I'm looking for is a small alternator that will make a maximum of 20 amps at 14 volts.  I'd prefer a unit that requires an external regulator (which I will design and build).  I will make a flat belt pulley to drive it from a flywheel of the engine at around 4,000 RPM.  Used is fine as long as it works.  Cheap is excellent, as this project is running way over budget.  :-)  What else is new??!!
> 
> Whatcha got?  What can you suggest (make and model of something I can get the alternator off of at a junkyard.
> 
ELden, the small alternators used on Kubotas and other equipment are usually pricey. All of the new autos use a smaller high output alternator, though I think they all have internal regulators. It shouldn't be a problem to disconnect  the regulator where it ties into the brushes and control it externally, most use a ground side control. The new alternators are usually protected from full fielding", where the regulator tries to get the max out of an idling engine and grounds the field, building up heat and destroying itself. If you need one I'm sure I can find something and send it to you, but you may find something locally for the price of shipping.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Aug 30 10:14:09 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:14:09 +0200
Subject: [SEL] snake but now "Worried":-0
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1251648002.7432.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090830190047.019d7008@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 30/08/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 5
>Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:59:20 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] snake OT
>
>And if you have some of those MONSTER Zucchini lurking in the garden, cut 
>'em into
>cubes.  Saute them in butter with some chopped onion, hot pepper cheese 
>cubes, and
>seasoned croutons.  The cheese melts and sorta binds it all 
>together.  DELISH!!

Hi Arnie,
         I'm really started to get worried about you !!
         This is an engine list but all you post about these days is "Food, 
Beer an wimmen !!"
         Are you O.K.? Have you seen a doctor? Do you think it was a good 
move to go on that E.H.O.W.T. with those Royster chappies?
         Just wondering.
Jerry
P.S. Hope you enjoyed Portland. (was there a lot of beer and many women?) 
Did you get a chance to look at any engines? 



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 30 15:44:37 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:44:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] snake OT,,, OT Zucchine,,, and engines
Message-ID: <559525.52621.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


This is a double O.T.
That does sound good, Arnie.
I can't have those seasoned croutons though.
What are they seasoned with?
I could cube up some of my wheat-free Spelt bread, season it then dry it.
?
This coming long weekend I get to spend it building a firewood shed.
After that though I will build another shed to get the non-engine stuff out of my engine shed so I have room to start building carts for the engines I want to take to Buckley next year.
Before the show next year I have to get two more engines running.
I am not sure what HP the Witte is but the Footed Base Ottawa is a 4HP.
Both engines will be easy to fire up and be nice Hit-n-Miss runners for the display.
The Witte will get to power my second two-hole corn sheller.
The Footed Base Ottawa will have fun running again as it powers one of my feed grinders.
Next year we won't have Steve Barr there to grind the corn,,,
AND,,, instead of that little 800 pounds of corn to shell and grind will are planning on doing 2400 pounds.
?
I am still looking for cart wheels for three engine carts and two corn sheller carts.
?
?
Alan in Michigan
?


--- On Sat, 8/29/09, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:


From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] snake OT
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 10:59 PM


And if you have some of those MONSTER Zucchini lurking in the garden, cut 'em into
cubes.? Saute them in butter with some chopped onion, hot pepper cheese cubes, and
seasoned croutons.? The cheese melts and sorta binds it all together.? DELISH!!

On Sat, August 29, 2009 6:45 pm, Alan wrote:
> ?
> Slice some rings off a not too big Zucchini and some off a Yellow-Neck and soften
> them up in a frying pan then pour sour cream all over them and sprinkle a little
> dillweed over it all.
> I just had a plate of that. Yummy.


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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Aug 30 17:35:31 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:35:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
Message-ID: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>

Hi All, Just arrived home from Portland. Turned on FOX news and was  
informed that Mt Wilson Observatory is in danger of burning! Anyone in  
KA have any updated information?
	Dave


From MBellar at aol.com  Sun Aug 30 17:41:30 2009
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:41:30 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Emmanual King Foundry
Message-ID: <d12.2972e03e.37cc763a@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 8/29/2009 9:18:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rustaholic777 at yahoo.com writes:

Do any  of you know is he is still casting and selling iron cart wheels?
OR, Do you  know of another good source for cast iron cart  wheels?



Alan;
I purchased a set of IH wheels from him last year (5/08). He included a  
Cattail Foundry Catalog of cart castings. His voicemail number is  
717-661-9172. 
Tom Bellar


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Aug 30 17:49:52 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:49:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
Message-ID: <7C6A060DB144412D9D37AEC51C384628@REGsServer>

Just checked it out on Google.
They are in trouble!! Road cut by fire and they are trapped. Fire crews were 
recalled but are also cut off.

Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

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From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????


> Hi All, Just arrived home from Portland. Turned on FOX news and was
> informed that Mt Wilson Observatory is in danger of burning! Anyone in
> KA have any updated information?
> Dave
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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sun Aug 30 18:23:32 2009
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:23:32 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
	<7C6A060DB144412D9D37AEC51C384628@REGsServer>
Message-ID: <969944446F214678A20EB1B6256A0F43@your46e94owx6a>

There should be lot of open areas that would be safe 
although very uncomfortable. I don'y know about Mt Wilson 
but many of the buildings
on Palomar were made of cast concrete including the roof. 
George Hale wanted buildings that would be fireproof.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, California U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reg Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????


Just checked it out on Google.
They are in trouble!! Road cut by fire and they are trapped. 
Fire crews were
recalled but are also cut off.

Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????


> Hi All, Just arrived home from Portland. Turned on FOX 
> news and was
> informed that Mt Wilson Observatory is in danger of 
> burning! Anyone in
> KA have any updated information?
> Dave
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From lfevans at pacbell.net  Sun Aug 30 19:34:41 2009
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:34:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>

Dave and all,

I have been monitoring the situation closely and get conflicting reports.

The Observatory is definitely threatened by fire but the degree of threat 
depends on who you listen to.  I do know the fire has gotten as close as 
two miles and then seemed to retreat some.  Since all the TV and radio 
broadcast towers for the Los Angeles basin are located on the same ridge 
and adjacent to the Observatory you would think that if the area was in 
immediate danger of burning the newscasters would spend lots of time 
covering the area but they will mention the possibility and then move on to 
something important like baseball scores or ???

For what I consider reliable information go to:
http://www.mtwilson.edu/
and about half way down on the left click on "Station" fire threatens Mt. 
Wilson.  This is current information written by the Director of the 
Observatory who is in contact with the two staff persons that are there to 
aid the fire crews that have been there since yesterday clearing brush and 
doing all they can to help defend the area.

All the main buildings are as fire proof as the technology of 1910 provided 
for with concrete construction, corrugated steel roofs, metal shutters on 
the windows, etc.  In my estimation if a fire were to sweep through there 
should be minimal damage as far as the telescopes are concerned.  The 
powerhouse where the 1911 50 hp Fairbanks Morse Type RE is should also 
provide good protection.

I will try to keep you updated as I hear anything new.

Larry Evans

At 05:35 PM 8/30/2009, you wrote:
>Hi All, Just arrived home from Portland. Turned on FOX news and was
>informed that Mt Wilson Observatory is in danger of burning! Anyone in
>KA have any updated information?
>         Dave
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Aug 30 20:15:55 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:15:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <20090819011657.F05F08DCB@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <7168A11D9B17461BBC96B76699939533@DBTOA000>

Well I had fun at Portland as always.  It was a bit of an eventful time
for me though with a lot of things happening on the side.  

I almost created a pile up around Indy when a lady stopped short in
front of me, I discovered I left my clothes at home when I got to the
hotel, I had a mishap at quick mart before I arrived at Portland, etc.,
etc.  But, I made it there and home and had a lot of fun.  

I got to chat with several on the ATIS List and I apologize to those I
didn't get to.  Thanks to all the SEL Gang for your kindness and
friendship.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY







From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Aug 30 20:31:08 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:31:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
References: <7168A11D9B17461BBC96B76699939533@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <000601ca29eb$7ae2ae90$d0624b47@mikecomp>

It was good to see you there and The Miami was a beauty to behold!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:15 PM
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09


> Well I had fun at Portland as always.  It was a bit of an eventful time
> for me though with a lot of things happening on the side.  
> 
> I almost created a pile up around Indy when a lady stopped short in
> front of me, I discovered I left my clothes at home when I got to the
> hotel, I had a mishap at quick mart before I arrived at Portland, etc.,
> etc.  But, I made it there and home and had a lot of fun.  
> 
> I got to chat with several on the ATIS List and I apologize to those I
> didn't get to.  Thanks to all the SEL Gang for your kindness and
> friendship.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 20:44:04 2009
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:44:04 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C6C18424.24C8%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>


Thanks for the report Larry. I would hate to think of the observatory and
that lovely F-M being lost in a fire.
All the buildings and telescopes at the big observatory down at Canberra
were lost in the big fire a few years ago.


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 30 21:55:19 2009
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:55:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Was snake, now Zucchini OT
Message-ID: <BAY127-W8091DA3EA3D6DADA66BC8CBF20@phx.gbl>


On zucchini, I jest - a bit.  A neighbor gave us several of a new to me variety called globe zucchini.  They are the size of a small watermelon.  My DIL prepared them by stuffing with sausage, dried apricots, and couscous.  My problem with it was I ate too much.

Many years back a neighbor sold his house and moved, but it wouldn't be re-occupied for six weeks.  He asked me to keep the place mowed and the squash picked.  Being a Californian, and an officer at that, he had planted a giant hill of 9 kinds of squash.  Before two weeks were out, the neighbors would see me hit the sidewalk with arms full, pulling a radio flyer, and the you could hear the doors slamming for blocks.  I found one I had missed, that was the diameter of a football and three times as long.  The German GI wife across the street nearly begged for that one.  She said she split them lengthwise, cleaned out half the innards, stuffed with rice and sausage and spices, then tied them with string and baked.  She called me over for a sample, and we have been preparing them that way now for over forty years, along with yellow crooknecks.

And I do eat broccoli, but only on breezy days.

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

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From rob at rustyiron.com  Sun Aug 30 22:03:09 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:03:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <7C6A060DB144412D9D37AEC51C384628@REGsServer>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
	<7C6A060DB144412D9D37AEC51C384628@REGsServer>
Message-ID: <0316C157-F655-4750-98A4-771DE56F6F08@rustyiron.com>

Hey, Reg.

The web cam is now showing flames that look as if they're right below  
the hillside leading to the antennae.  The antennae are about half a  
mile away from the observatory, at the same elevation.  I'll be  
watching the camera for a little while longer and will keep you updated.


	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Aug 30, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Reg Ingold wrote:

> Just checked it out on Google.
> They are in trouble!! Road cut by fire and they are trapped. Fire  
> crews were
> recalled but are also cut off.



From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Mon Aug 31 02:09:09 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:09:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A9B9335.1080303@steamengine.com.au>

Larry - I bet you're glad you repaired that big fire pump now!

Hopefully everything will be ok. From what I remember of Mt Wilson there 
isn't that much really significant brush around the observatory with 
reasonable distance from the buildings except for the engine house which 
has trees right next to it?

Regards
Paul

Larry Evans wrote:
> Dave and all,
>
> I have been monitoring the situation closely and get conflicting reports.
>
>   



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Aug 31 02:35:28 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:35:28 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com><6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<4A9B9335.1080303@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <72C11602BC0E4C3BB915D71C81AA1815@REGsServer>

I just looked at the latest pic from the on line camera.
It looks just like here in Oz in fire season.
(Which has started really early this year.)
Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Pavlinovich" <pjp08 at steamengine.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????


> Larry - I bet you're glad you repaired that big fire pump now!
>
> Hopefully everything will be ok. From what I remember of Mt Wilson there
> isn't that much really significant brush around the observatory with
> reasonable distance from the buildings except for the engine house which
> has trees right next to it?
>
> Regards
> Paul
>
> Larry Evans wrote:
>> Dave and all,
>>
>> I have been monitoring the situation closely and get conflicting reports.
>>
>>
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 04:21:02 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:21:02 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160908310421w31e858ffj56f074baaa9cd789@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/31 David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>:
> Hi All, Just arrived home from Portland. Turned on FOX news and was
> informed that Mt Wilson Observatory is in danger of burning! Anyone in
> KA have any updated information?
> ? ? ? ?Dave

There's a fair bit of pine and other stuff on that ridge where the
observatory is located, and a lot of needles on the ground when we
were there.

Hope it misses that area, it's a great place to visit with Larry & Ken.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 04:16:50 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:16:50 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <7168A11D9B17461BBC96B76699939533@DBTOA000>
References: <20090819011657.F05F08DCB@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<7168A11D9B17461BBC96B76699939533@DBTOA000>
Message-ID: <6f6025160908310416u1f8c9202g3006dca4913b8155@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/31 Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:
> Well I had fun at Portland as always. ?It was a bit of an eventful time
> for me though with a lot of things happening on the side.
>
> I almost created a pile up around Indy when a lady stopped short in
> front of me, I discovered I left my clothes at home when I got to the
> hotel, I had a mishap at quick mart before I arrived at Portland, etc.,
> etc. ?But, I made it there and home and had a lot of fun.
>
> I got to chat with several on the ATIS List and I apologize to those I
> didn't get to. ?Thanks to all the SEL Gang for your kindness and
> friendship.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY

We had a trip like that in 2003 to Portland....

Missed it all this year, sure miss the folks and the engines! should
be back over next, but had a good few days at Zolfo in March and have
a week in SanFran to look forward to in October.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 31 08:48:37 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:48:37 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
Message-ID: <23452757.1251733717898.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>



-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>Sent: Aug 30, 2009 10:31 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>
>It was good to see you there and The Miami was a beauty to behold!
>
>MR

Watch out there Tommy, when a Royster uses a sentence like the above it can be considered the start of an offer to sucker you out of that fine Miami you had there.

Tim Christoff


From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Aug 31 08:49:21 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:49:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W184D11C0A5A7814A89DF36C2F60@phx.gbl>
References: <c0f.57163c41.37c7d890@aol.com>
	<BLU102-W184D11C0A5A7814A89DF36C2F60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090831154920.498898E9D@smtp.wcoil.com>

Oh now Tom you forget to mention the other reason 
for going,  intake of numerous adult beverages. GRINNN     Mark

At 08:58 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:

>Only reason I'm going is to pick up some new 
>toys that are getting delivered and to deliver 
>some engines that are already sold.
>
>
>
>I'm picking up a sideshaft 8 HP Weber and a 
>early ported exhaust 6 HP Domestic  :)
>
>
>Tom Winland
>
>Ohio
>
>
> > From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com
> > Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:39:44 -0400
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
> >
> > Why go now Tom all the deals are gone. Take a go cart with you and have
> > some fun.
> > KK
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/27/2009 8:38:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > gasenginetom at hotmail.com writes:
> >
> > I'm not there yet, I won't be there till tomorrow :(
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom Winland
> >
> > Ohio
> >
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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 08:58:34 2009
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:58:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>

" Since all the TV and radio broadcast towers for the Los Angeles basin are
located on the same ridge and adjacent to the Observatory.."

I have a feeling that all effort will be directed to saving TV and radio
with the obsevatory being a secondary beneficiary. We do have our priorities
here.

Paul in Northern California


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Aug 31 09:28:41 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:28:41 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Gib key puller revisited
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090831181431.021143d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys 'n Gals,
         Many of you will remember the gib key puller I designed a few 
years back and had an article published in the Oct/Nov 2007 edition of "Gas 
Engine Magazine"
         I've just had another difficult gib key to remove - this one on a 
relatively new (1953) Lister CS 5/1. It was not rusted but had just been 
hammered in too tight and had paint on it to make matters worse.
         I combined my ideas with a method described by Kerry Morris from 
Australia to make this one. It worked very well. Thanks for sharing your 
ideas Kerry.

I've put a page here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/gibpull/page2.htm>
for whoever would like to see it.

The page on my original puller is here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/gibpull/index.htm>

and Kerry's page is here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/National%20Key.html>

Thanks again to you Kerry for sharing your expertise.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>  



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Aug 31 09:48:41 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:48:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <23452757.1251733717898.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <7D98044576324931BBA3BDF5D0DC2946@tommyd0x52gkco>

Well Tim, looks like he's already pulled it off.  I traded that big old
black hunk of iron for a smaller green one.  Mike guaranteed me the
green one I traded for was the only one like it on the planet.  Come to
find out when I asked him what made this 3 HP M special he said "It's
the only one on earth that has that Serial Number".... Have I been
snookered or what?

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




>It was good to see you there and The Miami was a beauty to behold!
>
>MR

Watch out there Tommy, when a Royster uses a sentence like the above it
can be considered the start of an offer to sucker you out of that fine
Miami you had there.

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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 31 09:59:27 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:59:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
In-Reply-To: <20090831154920.498898E9D@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <c0f.57163c41.37c7d890@aol.com>
	<BLU102-W184D11C0A5A7814A89DF36C2F60@phx.gbl> 
	<20090831154920.498898E9D@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W2927CD0E1759B69C521790C2F20@phx.gbl>


Thanks Mark,  yes we did consume many beverages  :)   lol
 
> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:49:21 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> From: frappi at wcoil.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
> 
> Oh now Tom you forget to mention the other reason 
> for going, intake of numerous adult beverages. GRINNN Mark
> 
> At 08:58 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:
> 
> >Only reason I'm going is to pick up some new 
> >toys that are getting delivered and to deliver 
> >some engines that are already sold.
> >
> >
> >
> >I'm picking up a sideshaft 8 HP Weber and a 
> >early ported exhaust 6 HP Domestic :)
> >
> >
> >Tom Winland
> >
> >Ohio
> >
> >
> > > From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com
> > > Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:39:44 -0400
> > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Not Everyone is at Portland are they?
> > >
> > > Why go now Tom all the deals are gone. Take a go cart with you and have
> > > some fun.
> > > KK
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 8/27/2009 8:38:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > gasenginetom at hotmail.com writes:
> > >
> > > I'm not there yet, I won't be there till tomorrow :(
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tom Winland
> > >
> > > Ohio
> > >
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 31 10:02:50 2009
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:02:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Rollag
Message-ID: <709231.33765.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
We are going to be heading out Friday afternoon for Rollag. If you are going to be there and want to meet up, give me a shout.
Later,
Joe
Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
608-434-3399, cell phone
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan


      


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 31 10:24:57 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:24:57 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
Message-ID: <8361525.1251739497659.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

There GOOOOD!  Maybe I had better go and check my trailer as I never looked under the tarp after loading up in Portland.  They could have pulled a switch on me as well.  I should have been on gaurd after the little grab and stash done at the back forty when a couple of nice brass badges in the shape of oil can dissapeared and you can guess what two brothers errrr I mean names came up in that whole deal.  Of course they blamed that nice person named Arnie and the elder Dave for the wrong doings.  Now that I think about it, Steve did have a slight stagger to his walk when leaving the back 40 as though somthing was stashed in his pocket.

Those Oyster boys are slick.

Tim Christoff

-----Original Message-----
>From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>Sent: Aug 31, 2009 11:48 AM
>To: 'The SEL email discussion list' <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>
>Well Tim, looks like he's already pulled it off.  I traded that big old
>black hunk of iron for a smaller green one.  Mike guaranteed me the
>green one I traded for was the only one like it on the planet.  Come to
>find out when I asked him what made this 3 HP M special he said "It's
>the only one on earth that has that Serial Number".... Have I been
>snookered or what?
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
>>It was good to see you there and The Miami was a beauty to behold!
>>
>>MR
>
>Watch out there Tommy, when a Royster uses a sentence like the above it
>can be considered the start of an offer to sucker you out of that fine
>Miami you had there.
>
>Tim Christoff
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Aug 31 11:55:19 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:55:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
In-Reply-To: <8361525.1251739497659.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <075444E15FAF4F87B2F3F7A8C37EEA4F@tommyd0x52gkco>

That's an understatement Tim!!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




Those Oyster boys are slick.

Tim Christoff





From pwaugh at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug 31 12:32:47 2009
From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:32:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
References: <075444E15FAF4F87B2F3F7A8C37EEA4F@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <4645E445A9E0417A8346E0019681A6A8@PAULDESKTOP>

Now I thought they were real nice gentlemen ::))

Paul - IN
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09


> That's an understatement Tim!!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Those Oyster boys are slick.
> 
> Tim Christoff
> 
> 
> 
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 31 13:42:52 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:42:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
Message-ID: <4734062.1251751372471.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Thats just it Paul, they are real nice gentlemen but that doesn't say anything about their engine aqusitions nor how they store them.

Tim Christoff

-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Waugh <pwaugh at embarqmail.com>
>Sent: Aug 31, 2009 3:32 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>
>Now I thought they were real nice gentlemen ::))
>
>Paul - IN
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>
>
>> That's an understatement Tim!!
>> 
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Those Oyster boys are slick.
>> 
>> Tim Christoff
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Aug 31 13:55:37 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:55:37 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Onslow Park Vintage rally
Message-ID: <000d01ca2a7d$65951c70$42920556@intrepid>

I have put this years pictures up on Picasaweb.
It seems to be better than webshots & is free.
I have given a general view of what the show entails. see
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/ullerman/OnslowPark09#
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Mon Aug 31 14:20:06 2009
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:20:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Rollag
In-Reply-To: <709231.33765.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <945671.31368.qm@web82003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Joe...Better hurry up.... I plan on being there on Friday and then McGrath MN on Saturday....

Steve

--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Joe Prindle <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Joe Prindle <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [SEL] Rollag
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 12:02 PM
> Hi all,
> We are going to be heading out Friday afternoon for Rollag.
> If you are going to be there and want to meet up, give me a
> shout.
> Later,
> Joe
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> 608-434-3399, cell phone
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me
> happy." Spike Milligan
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Aug 31 14:56:10 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:56:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
References: <4734062.1251751372471.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <003401ca2a85$da010f80$d0624b47@mikecomp>

What is all this scurrilous libel being thrown at me and my sibling???  Just 
because Tim backed out of the deal where I bought his New Way twin for fifty 
dollars sight unseen?  Or is he sore because a 6 year old little girl beat 
him out of a King Dick at the charity auction?  And where exactly are our 
badges entrusted to Arnie from the EHOWT?  First he was shipping them for us 
then they were held hostage!  Next thing I know they disappeared and 
Christoff is grinning like a mule eating briars!  Now as far as the Judge 
goes, that dirty old Miami engine was a burden and that "rare M" is a 
beauty!  Why all these alleged incidents may be real or may be imagination, 
but if you don't come to Portland you sure miss out on the rumors.  I hope 
Keith Kinney has had a delicious meal on the John Deere china by now!!!!!!!

MR (still, the good brother)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09


> Thats just it Paul, they are real nice gentlemen but that doesn't say 
> anything about their engine aqusitions nor how they store them.
>
> Tim Christoff
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Paul Waugh <pwaugh at embarqmail.com>
>>Sent: Aug 31, 2009 3:32 PM
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>>
>>Now I thought they were real nice gentlemen ::))
>>
>>Paul - IN
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:55 PM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>>
>>
>>> That's an understatement Tim!!
>>>
>>> Tommy Turner
>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Those Oyster boys are slick.
>>>
>>> Tim Christoff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Aug 31 14:57:15 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:57:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
References: <075444E15FAF4F87B2F3F7A8C37EEA4F@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<4645E445A9E0417A8346E0019681A6A8@PAULDESKTOP>
Message-ID: <003901ca2a86$005b05f0$d0624b47@mikecomp>

You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar, and there are few of us left!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Waugh" <pwaugh at embarqmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09


> Now I thought they were real nice gentlemen ::))
> 
> Paul - IN
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
> 
> 
>> That's an understatement Tim!!
>> 
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Those Oyster boys are slick.
>> 
>> Tim Christoff
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Aug 31 14:57:56 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:57:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
References: <4734062.1251751372471.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <004201ca2a86$1d6282e0$d0624b47@mikecomp>

Blue tarps are accepted in all 100 counties in scenic NC.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09


> Thats just it Paul, they are real nice gentlemen but that doesn't say 
> anything about their engine aqusitions nor how they store them.
>
> Tim Christoff
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Paul Waugh <pwaugh at embarqmail.com>
>>Sent: Aug 31, 2009 3:32 PM
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>>
>>Now I thought they were real nice gentlemen ::))
>>
>>Paul - IN
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:55 PM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>>
>>
>>> That's an understatement Tim!!
>>>
>>> Tommy Turner
>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Those Oyster boys are slick.
>>>
>>> Tim Christoff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>
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From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug 31 16:45:02 2009
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurSouthwell)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:45:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEOPIGAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <B52CDCA139FE4FA98F7032FA92623F5C@ArthurSpare>

Elden,
If you aren't in a terrific hurry, I'll bring you a permenant magnet, 10 amp 
Kubota alternator on or about Sept. 11th. about 3 inches

Art




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.


Alan:

Yes, I don't have a whole lot of power out of the 12.5 cubic inch Hvid I 
built.  I figure I should be able to make 10-15 amps at full engine output. 
You can see the engine on my website below.

I'll design my regulator so I have an output current adjustment.  That way, 
I can set the max. load so the engine can just barely pull it.  The battery 
will supply the peak power required over that the alternator can supply.

I may just go to Pick-A-Part and find something that looks likely.

THEN, I have to find a motor of about 1/4 HP.




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Aug 31 18:27:55 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:27:55 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com><6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com><6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS3C352D298C040B2F6C3E3BBF10@phx.gbl>

Thank you Paul..been watching it all day as our greatest fear is forest 
fire.  I would agree with your statement and was glad to see the 727's and 
747's dumping water.  I am in awe!!!!!!!!!

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????


> " Since all the TV and radio broadcast towers for the Los Angeles basin 
> are
> located on the same ridge and adjacent to the Observatory.."
>
> I have a feeling that all effort will be directed to saving TV and radio
> with the obsevatory being a secondary beneficiary. We do have our 
> priorities
> here.
>
> Paul in Northern California
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Aug 31 19:54:57 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:54:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
In-Reply-To: <B52CDCA139FE4FA98F7032FA92623F5C@ArthurSpare>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEAEIHAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Hey, Art:

Thanks, my friend for the alternator!  I'll give you the Delco starter/generator as an exchange gift.  All it needs is an armature.   :-)

Is Sept 11th the date of the Panhandle Pioneer Settlement thing?  If so, I can bring the Hvid, meetcha at the show and we can swap dynamos and some lies.  What fun!

Lemme know the times.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> ArthurSouthwell
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 06:45 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for small alternator.
> 
> 
> Elden,
> If you aren't in a terrific hurry, I'll bring you 
> a permenant magnet, 10 amp 
> Kubota alternator on or about Sept. 11th. about 3 inches
> 
> Art




From riga_fire at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 31 19:11:31 2009
From: riga_fire at yahoo.com (Paul Russell)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:11:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] "OT" Mt. Wilson "OT"
In-Reply-To: <0316C157-F655-4750-98A4-771DE56F6F08@rustyiron.com>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com>
	<7C6A060DB144412D9D37AEC51C384628@REGsServer>
	<0316C157-F655-4750-98A4-771DE56F6F08@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <96664.45441.qm@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Received this tonight. Don't know if there is anything good here or not as I am on dial up. I will check it tomorrow when on a faster putter.
?
?
?
UPDATE: 2 LOS ANGELES COUNTY FIREFIGHTERS DIE IN THE LINE OF DUTY
The Secret List www.FireFighterCloseCalls.com 
?
2 Los Angeles County?Firefighters gave their lives Sunday when they were driven?off the side of a road in heavy smoke and into heavy fire conditions in the Mt. Gleason area, south of Acton, around?1430 Hours.?Killed in the Line of Duty were FF Specialist Arnaldo "Arnie" Quinones, 35 and Captain?Tedmund "Ted" Hall, 47. Captain Hall had been with the LA County FD for 26 years and Arnie Quinones had been with the department 8 years.
?
MUST SEE: LIVE FIRE CAM:
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/towercam.htm#imagetop
From the Mount Wilson Observatory, Mt. Wilson, CA. (Image will automatically refresh every 2 minutes in most web browsers.)
?
VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvlWcvlZ6OA&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngOTx4Yb5ks
?
INTERACTIVE FIRE MAP:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-la-fire-map-html,0,7464337.htmlstory
?
News and public?info, photos and video of this reported out of control fire is?posted at:
http://inciweb.org/incident/1856/
www.cbs2.com 
www.KTLA.com 
www.myfoxla.com 
www.nbclosangeles.com 
www.abc7.com 
Take Care-BE CAREFUL. Our sincere condolences to all affected.
BillyG
The Secret List 8-31-09 /?0658 Hours




________________________________
From: Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 1:03:09 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????

Hey, Reg.

The web cam is now showing flames that look as if they're right below? 
the hillside leading to the antennae.? The antennae are about half a? 
mile away from the observatory, at the same elevation.? I'll be? 
watching the camera for a little while longer and will keep you updated.


??? 
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Aug 30, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Reg Ingold wrote:

> Just checked it out on Google.
> They are in trouble!! Road cut by fire and they are trapped. Fire? 
> crews were
> recalled but are also cut off.

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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Aug 31 19:21:01 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:21:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????
In-Reply-To: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com><6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com><8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY113-DS3C352D298C040B2F6C3E3BBF10@phx.gbl>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com><6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com><8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY113-DS3C352D298C040B2F6C3E3BBF10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS7F4C860F652CB5B117AEABBF10@phx.gbl>

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/towercam.htm


ouch..4 hrs. ago, it was two ridges away...so they said


From riga_fire at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 31 20:06:34 2009
From: riga_fire at yahoo.com (Paul Russell)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:06:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] "OT" Mt. Wilson "OT"
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DS7F4C860F652CB5B117AEABBF10@phx.gbl>
References: <8C81A377-CEED-4565-B839-F0B3F849080C@me.com><6.0.1.1.2.20090830190449.040eb228@pop.att.yahoo.com><8d3c36fb0908310858r258798b9ia1739d337179c477@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY113-DS3C352D298C040B2F6C3E3BBF10@phx.gbl>
	<BAY113-DS7F4C860F652CB5B117AEABBF10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <401701.5015.qm@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Here is the update from tonight..

Hey,
Here is an UPDATE on the fire and also below is a story about the 2 Firefighters who lost their lives yesterday. NOTE that 105,000 acres of mountainous brush across northern Los Angeles County is showing little sign of slowing down late this afternoon as it threatened 12,000 homes in suburban tracts and desert communities, along with a historic observatory and major array of television and radio transmission towers. 
?
FIRE INFORMATION-STATUS REPORT 1700 PDT:

-As per LA County - 105,000 acres - 75 miles left to build - 3,670 firefighters on scene - no accurate number of buildings burnt - 2 comm sites damaged or destroyed (Mt Lukens & Mt Desperation) - Mt Wilson was OK as of 5 minutes ago - air attack said repeater (towers) were still standing - Santa Clarita will be a spike camp - have given permission to air group to use 747 if it can be effective - it will come from Sacramento (a 55 minute trip) - no change in weather expected for next 4 to 5 days

-As Per LA County Chief - 2 LODD Firefighters?were protecting Camp 16 with 60 other firefighters - Camp 16 was destroyed - the 2 LODD were advised that the fire was coming fast - the two got into a vehicle and attempted to move it - they went 800 feet down - many FFs were injured attempting a rescue (not seriously) - fire is 5 miles from Agua Dulce - fire is 6 or 7 miles from Little Rock - hundred of homes have been saved so far.
-Unified Command is - ANF + LA County + LA City
-At 2021 it was reported that 53 homes destroyed at Sunnyvale
-747 lining up to a drop now -?2033 Hours?EDT
?
?
ABOUT THE 2 FIREFIGHTERS WHO DIED IN THE LINE OF DUTY:
http://firefighterclosecalls.com/fullstory.php?92224
Take Care-BE CAREFUL.
BillyG
The Secret List 8-31-09 / 2139 hours




________________________________
From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:21:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mt. Wilson?????

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/towercam.htm


ouch..4 hrs. ago, it was two ridges away...so they said
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 31 20:25:13 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:25:13 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [SEL] Portland '09
Message-ID: <13368465.1251775514001.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I only stopped bidding because she really wanted that King Dick Wrench and it seems that after you reneged on the deal I was caught a bit short.

Tim (who has no knowledge of badges from EHOWT)

-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>Sent: Aug 31, 2009 4:56 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>
>What is all this scurrilous libel being thrown at me and my sibling???  Just 
>because Tim backed out of the deal where I bought his New Way twin for fifty 
>dollars sight unseen?  Or is he sore because a 6 year old little girl beat 
>him out of a King Dick at the charity auction?  And where exactly are our 
>badges entrusted to Arnie from the EHOWT?  First he was shipping them for us 
>then they were held hostage!  Next thing I know they disappeared and 
>Christoff is grinning like a mule eating briars!  Now as far as the Judge 
>goes, that dirty old Miami engine was a burden and that "rare M" is a 
>beauty!  Why all these alleged incidents may be real or may be imagination, 
>but if you don't come to Portland you sure miss out on the rumors.  I hope 
>Keith Kinney has had a delicious meal on the John Deere china by now!!!!!!!
>
>MR (still, the good brother)
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:42 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>
>
>> Thats just it Paul, they are real nice gentlemen but that doesn't say 
>> anything about their engine aqusitions nor how they store them.
>>
>> Tim Christoff
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Paul Waugh <pwaugh at embarqmail.com>
>>>Sent: Aug 31, 2009 3:32 PM
>>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>>>
>>>Now I thought they were real nice gentlemen ::))
>>>
>>>Paul - IN
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:55 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland '09
>>>
>>>
>>>> That's an understatement Tim!!
>>>>
>>>> Tommy Turner
>>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Those Oyster boys are slick.
>>>>
>>>> Tim Christoff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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