From gastzt at aol.com  Wed Apr  1 02:00:00 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:00:00 EDT
Subject: [SEL] 60
Message-ID: <d45.420f1fa6.37048710@aol.com>

GOSH--you luckey guys!  I just made a 69 on the  24th---ha----      WHAT A 
NUMBER!
  Stan,  
 Pleasanton, Tx       (at  least these engines are older--ha)
**************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store?  Make dinner for $10 or 
less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)


From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Apr  1 04:52:26 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 22:52:26 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 60
In-Reply-To: <834171.88111.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <834171.88111.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01B59C6A17FB4F5A83E653A34F5E8C01@KerryPC>

Thanks Mate,
 I once thought that 60 was for old people, now I am one, but at least I 
don't feel that way MUCH yet.

Did you get the James Martin running

All the best
Kerry

>
> Shit Kerry, I'm 55 this month and I thought that was old. Happy birthday 
> for yesterday, old timer.
>



From rotigel at me.com  Wed Apr  1 08:38:27 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:38:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 60, Issue 27
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090331185536.01f1e730@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090331185536.01f1e730@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <81010227-5BFA-4003-8822-BA832E233DDC@me.com>

Damn, ALL of you guys on this list seems to be getting OLD!
	Dave

On Mar 31, 2009, at 12:57 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:

> At 06:00 PM 31/03/2009, you wrote:
>> From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
>> <snip>
>> I was 60 yesterday so I think old age is now with me :-((
>> Kerry
>
>
> Happy (belated) Birthday Kerry,
>         You beat me to it by a few months.
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>


From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Apr  1 16:23:26 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:23:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
In-Reply-To: <65BD33EA37FC48F8BA61C4831B7D91C4@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Kerry:

I think I did the same thing!  Went out and bought a new air filter for the lawn mower, taking the old one along to make sure the new one was identical.  

Got the last one in stock.

Came home and threw the old filter into the garbage can then set the can at the curb.

About an hour after the garbage had been picked up, I discovered that I'd also thrown the new filter away.  It was in the bag with the old filter!

DRAT!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Kerry
> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 05:14 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
> 
> 
> This mornings parallel visit, I decided to change 
> the blade of a Stanley 
> knife, all went well new blade, two halves back 
> together, put the screw in, 
> where's the screw that I pulled out a minute ago, 
> after cleaning the bench 
> down, sweeping the workshop floor and on hands 
> and knees looking at all 
> places it could have fallen then redoing it all 
> again.  1 1/2 hr later I 
> found it, yes in the garbage bin with the old 
> blade, must have thrown both 
> away
> I was 60 yesterday so I think old age is now with me :-((
> 
> Kerry




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Apr  1 15:47:48 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:47:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6DF8A9484F794D67AEE25C52ADCB562E@REG>

This thread is making me feel better about things that happen here!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?


> Kerry:
>
> I think I did the same thing!  Went out and bought a new air filter for 
> the lawn mower, taking the old one along to make sure the new one was 
> identical.
>
> Got the last one in stock.
>
> Came home and threw the old filter into the garbage can then set the can 
> at the curb.
>
> About an hour after the garbage had been picked up, I discovered that I'd 
> also thrown the new filter away.  It was in the bag with the old filter!
>
> DRAT!
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Kerry
>> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 05:14 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
>>
>>
>> This mornings parallel visit, I decided to change
>> the blade of a Stanley
>> knife, all went well new blade, two halves back
>> together, put the screw in,
>> where's the screw that I pulled out a minute ago,
>> after cleaning the bench
>> down, sweeping the workshop floor and on hands
>> and knees looking at all
>> places it could have fallen then redoing it all
>> again.  1 1/2 hr later I
>> found it, yes in the garbage bin with the old
>> blade, must have thrown both
>> away
>> I was 60 yesterday so I think old age is now with me :-((
>>
>> Kerry
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Wed Apr  1 18:54:39 2009
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:54:39 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <65BD33EA37FC48F8BA61C4831B7D91C4@KerryPC>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <49d3f0c0.06a1660a.176b.ffff92b5@mx.google.com>

Kerry no problem just sit out the mower now so they can be together.
R Fink



At 06:23 PM 4/1/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>Kerry:
>
>I think I did the same thing!  Went out and bought a new air filter 
>for the lawn mower, taking the old one along to make sure the new 
>one was identical.
>
>Got the last one in stock.
>
>Came home and threw the old filter into the garbage can then set the 
>can at the curb.
>
>About an hour after the garbage had been picked up, I discovered 
>that I'd also thrown the new filter away.  It was in the bag with 
>the old filter!
>
>DRAT!
>
>Take care - Elden
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >  Behalf Of Kerry
> > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 05:14 PM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
> >
> >
> > This mornings parallel visit, I decided to change
> > the blade of a Stanley
> > knife, all went well new blade, two halves back
> > together, put the screw in,
> > where's the screw that I pulled out a minute ago,
> > after cleaning the bench
> > down, sweeping the workshop floor and on hands
> > and knees looking at all
> > places it could have fallen then redoing it all
> > again.  1 1/2 hr later I
> > found it, yes in the garbage bin with the old
> > blade, must have thrown both
> > away
> > I was 60 yesterday so I think old age is now with me :-((
> >
> > Kerry
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From lark2263 at phonet.com  Wed Apr  1 16:32:38 2009
From: lark2263 at phonet.com (KarlUSA)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:32:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <EABDDC5A3FEC4F7D90B78BEC8FB113A3@Karl>

Your experiences are a real comfort to one who is 87.  KarlUSA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?


> Kerry:
>
> I think I did the same thing!  Went out and bought a new air filter for 
> the lawn mower, taking the old one along to make sure the new one was 
> identical.
>
> Got the last one in stock.
>
> Came home and threw the old filter into the garbage can then set the can 
> at the curb.
>
> About an hour after the garbage had been picked up, I discovered that I'd 
> also thrown the new filter away.  It was in the bag with the old filter!
>
> DRAT!
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Kerry
>> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 05:14 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
>>
>>
>> This mornings parallel visit, I decided to change
>> the blade of a Stanley
>> knife, all went well new blade, two halves back
>> together, put the screw in,
>> where's the screw that I pulled out a minute ago,
>> after cleaning the bench
>> down, sweeping the workshop floor and on hands
>> and knees looking at all
>> places it could have fallen then redoing it all
>> again.  1 1/2 hr later I
>> found it, yes in the garbage bin with the old
>> blade, must have thrown both
>> away
>> I was 60 yesterday so I think old age is now with me :-((
>>
>> Kerry
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From marinesurveys at msn.com  Wed Apr  1 16:56:54 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:56:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
In-Reply-To: <EABDDC5A3FEC4F7D90B78BEC8FB113A3@Karl>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<EABDDC5A3FEC4F7D90B78BEC8FB113A3@Karl>
Message-ID: <COL106-W3711B439B37D07A600CD43B48B0@phx.gbl>


What i really wanna know { From an expert} is this really " OLD TIMERS" 

I've been doin this since 18 

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: lark2263 at phonet.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:32:38 -0500
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
> 
> Your experiences are a real comfort to one who is 87. KarlUSA
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
> 
> 
> > Kerry:
> >
> > I think I did the same thing! Went out and bought a new air filter for 
> > the lawn mower, taking the old one along to make sure the new one was 
> > identical.
> >
> > Got the last one in stock.
> >
> > Came home and threw the old filter into the garbage can then set the can 
> > at the curb.
> >
> > About an hour after the garbage had been picked up, I discovered that I'd 
> > also thrown the new filter away. It was in the bag with the old filter!
> >
> > DRAT!
> >
> > Take care - Elden
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >> Behalf Of Kerry
> >> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 05:14 PM
> >> To: The SEL email discussion list
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
> >>
> >>
> >> This mornings parallel visit, I decided to change
> >> the blade of a Stanley
> >> knife, all went well new blade, two halves back
> >> together, put the screw in,
> >> where's the screw that I pulled out a minute ago,
> >> after cleaning the bench
> >> down, sweeping the workshop floor and on hands
> >> and knees looking at all
> >> places it could have fallen then redoing it all
> >> again. 1 1/2 hr later I
> >> found it, yes in the garbage bin with the old
> >> blade, must have thrown both
> >> away
> >> I was 60 yesterday so I think old age is now with me :-((
> >>
> >> Kerry
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From gastzt at aol.com  Wed Apr  1 17:04:21 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 20:04:21 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
Message-ID: <ca1.528797b6.37055b05@aol.com>

DAMN! That makes me feel better---   I threw away a  new Model-A Ford timing 
gear the SAME way----DAMN it!
  Stan 
**************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store?  Make dinner for $10 or 
less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)


From kimmell at verizon.net  Wed Apr  1 21:22:52 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:22:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
In-Reply-To: <81010227-5BFA-4003-8822-BA832E233DDC@me.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090331185536.01f1e730@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<81010227-5BFA-4003-8822-BA832E233DDC@me.com>
Message-ID: <0KHG00FYVEOIYU66@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>

Wow, I feel like I'm 5 years old listening to all you OLD guys!!!

-Tony



From rotigel at me.com  Wed Apr  1 21:06:00 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 00:06:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
In-Reply-To: <49D1DCF4.1020208@insulate.co.uk>
References: <d07.4fcae03e.370287d3@aol.com>
	<65BD33EA37FC48F8BA61C4831B7D91C4@KerryPC>
	<49D1DCF4.1020208@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <50956D13-DC46-41F2-9EFB-14A14DDBD6D1@me.com>

Ah My Dearest Dolly,
	You have no idea of the truth of your observations--nor how hard it  
is for me to realize that everything must (sometime) come to an end!  
Had I known that I was going to live this long, I sure as hell would  
have taken better care of my body! My doctor tells me that it's "only  
a matter of time" now. Summer, fall, winter--sometime it will end. And  
as it comes ever nearer, a person learns to value even more the love  
and support of those for whom he has cared, and of those who have  
cared for him. Now, in the spring of 2009, it is not easy to realize  
that it will likely (if my doctors assessment is correct) end in the  
late fall of this year. But facts are facts and there is really no way  
around them! He keeps referring to a big book and telling me that  
sometime in November it will probably be all over.  I'm keeping my  
fingers crossed that it will then start all over again--perhaps on a  
different (higher/lower?) plain. I'm also hoping that before November  
ends that I will have attended Findley, Baraboo, Portland,  
Sistersville, Cotton Ginning and Denton! That way I will have seen  
most of my good friends before the end!
	Dave
PS, This one wouldn't be "right" w/out at least one "PS" would it?
PPS, I'm now to the point where it takes me all night to do what I  
used to do all night. (Not NECCESSARLY a bad thing.)
PPPS, Additionally, I still also believe in the 2nd coming--but find  
it harder and harder to achieve! (Not NECCESSARLY a GOOD thing!)
PPPPS, Life is GOOD!
PPPPPS, AIDS is BAD!
PPPPPPS, Happy BIRTHDAY Kerry--you COMMUNIST BUM!

On Mar 31, 2009, at 5:05 AM, Jim French wrote:

> Rubbish, Kerry - just look at Dave!  Now THAT's old.
>
> Jim & Dolly


From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Wed Apr  1 21:14:42 2009
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 12:14:42 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
In-Reply-To: <6DF8A9484F794D67AEE25C52ADCB562E@REG>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<6DF8A9484F794D67AEE25C52ADCB562E@REG>
Message-ID: <49D43BB2.10400@optusnet.com.au>

I know a chap not a millions miles from here who had trouble removing a 
magneto nut from his Velocette.
At re-build time, searched for the nut everywhere for four days - it was 
a special, not easily replaced. Workshop & benches got their best 
cleaning for years.
Eventually found it in his socket set - still in the 5/16" BSF socket.
Tricky devils, these alt-universe chappies.
JW?



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Apr  1 23:23:36 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:23:36 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com><6DF8A9484F794D67AEE25C52ADCB562E@REG>
	<49D43BB2.10400@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <D628A2E778E243D5A3F688883DA8ADB4@REG>

Have ya noticed, it is ALWAYS in the last place ya look?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?


I know a chap not a millions miles from here who had trouble removing a
magneto nut from his Velocette.
At re-build time, searched for the nut everywhere for four days - it was
a special, not easily replaced. Workshop & benches got their best
cleaning for years.
Eventually found it in his socket set - still in the 5/16" BSF socket.
Tricky devils, these alt-universe chappies.
JW?

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SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Apr  2 01:13:50 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 16:13:50 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com><6DF8A9484F794D67AEE25C52ADCB562E@REG><49D43BB2.10400@optusnet.com.au>
	<D628A2E778E243D5A3F688883DA8ADB4@REG>
Message-ID: <76A67A56BB3C465D99E1CC821E3F4960@your9e74d7efa7>

What the hell are complaining about at least it seems that you have 
eventualy found " It''.Iam still looking ,six years have gone!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?


> Have ya noticed, it is ALWAYS in the last place ya look?
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jack" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 3:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
>
>
> I know a chap not a millions miles from here who had trouble removing a
> magneto nut from his Velocette.
> At re-build time, searched for the nut everywhere for four days - it was
> a special, not easily replaced. Workshop & benches got their best
> cleaning for years.
> Eventually found it in his socket set - still in the 5/16" BSF socket.
> Tricky devils, these alt-universe chappies.
> JW?
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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>
> 



From page at velocitynet.com.au  Thu Apr  2 04:32:47 2009
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 22:32:47 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <009501c9b386$c03973b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Haven't had much through of late.

 

Ron

Canberra



From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Thu Apr  2 05:24:58 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:24:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
In-Reply-To: <D628A2E778E243D5A3F688883DA8ADB4@REG>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com><6DF8A9484F794D67AEE25C52ADCB562E@REG>	<49D43BB2.10400@optusnet.com.au>
	<D628A2E778E243D5A3F688883DA8ADB4@REG>
Message-ID: <49D4AE9A.5010208@steamengine.com.au>

Gee, now I wonder why Reg. Only you old buggers would keep looking after 
you find something :).

Paul

R & M Ingold wrote:
> Have ya noticed, it is ALWAYS in the last place ya look?
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>   



From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Thu Apr  2 05:51:38 2009
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:51:38 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
In-Reply-To: <D628A2E778E243D5A3F688883DA8ADB4@REG>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com><6DF8A9484F794D67AEE25C52ADCB562E@REG>	<49D43BB2.10400@optusnet.com.au>
	<D628A2E778E243D5A3F688883DA8ADB4@REG>
Message-ID: <49D4B4DA.8050103@optusnet.com.au>

R & M Ingold wrote:
> Have ya noticed, it is ALWAYS in the last place ya look?
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>   
Reg, what a profound thought! There may a Ph.D in this.
Do you think we should ask Dave to supervise us?
JW?



From rustyjnk at ncbb.net  Thu Apr  2 07:39:06 2009
From: rustyjnk at ncbb.net (norman karde)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 07:39:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Test
In-Reply-To: <009501c9b386$c03973b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
References: <009501c9b386$c03973b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <49D4CE0A.6030104@ncbb.net>

Ron, It is working in Loomis Ca. N Karde

Ron Page wrote:
> Haven't had much through of late.
>
>  
>
> Ron
>
> Canberra
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Apr  2 08:19:24 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:19:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Test
In-Reply-To: <009501c9b386$c03973b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
References: <009501c9b386$c03973b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <20090402151922.CD3FB1D1007@mail04.wcoil.com>

Its Spring, always slows down this time of year.  When the swaps & 
shows in the US start in and the weather turns HOT it will pick up 
again.    Myself the spring allows me out to the garage more as I 
don't have to heat it up to work out there.  Same for other folks too 
and then theres the lawn clean ups, house repairs and such to take 
attentions away.  Fun Fun Fun!     Mark

PS: I've noticed the busy to slow trends for the stuff I sell on Ebay 
and the Engine discussion lists are tied at the hip, naturally so.

At 07:32 AM 4/2/2009, you wrote:
>Haven't had much through of late.
>
>Ron
>
>Canberra

Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site   www.Maytagclub.com 



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Apr  2 11:38:56 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:38:56 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1238688002.25623.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090402202510.00c51588@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 02/04/2009, you wrote:

>Have ya noticed, it is ALWAYS in the last place ya look?
>Reg & Marg Ingold.

Hi Reg,
         Often that's the case but I usually find that after I've given up, 
I wait for Jacqui to get back from work and describe the missing part to 
her. Invariably she walks straight to the bench and picks it up saying 
something like "Is this what it looks like?" :-) (I suppose that was the 
last place "she" looked !).

         The worst was a few years ago when I was up a ladder fixing some 
ceiling panels - I was battling to focus until I realised I did not have my 
specs on. From the top of the ladder, holding a ceiling panel in one hand 
and probably a hammer and nail in the other I looked over the room but 
could not see the missing specs anywhere.

         I called Jacqui to come from another part of the house and asked 
"Please look for my specs?" - she replied "You mean those hanging around 
your neck ?'

         That's where they always are !!!! Hanging around my neck on a string.
Keep well
Jerry
P.S. For those who do not know, Jacqui is my daughter. 



From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Apr  2 13:03:21 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:03:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090402202510.00c51588@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <mailman.1.1238688002.25623.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com >
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090402202510.00c51588@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A6F2966@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

I just realized that this must also explain where the extra parts must
come from.

Lots of times you work on some project and get it back together and see
that you have left over parts.

Must be parts that disappeared from some other bloke working on
something and wondering what happened to his part! ;-)

George


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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Apr  2 16:24:58 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 19:24:58 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
Message-ID: <cc3.41ebfc70.3706a34a@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/2/2009 12:30:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
rotigel at me.com writes:

I'm also  hoping that before November  
ends that I will have attended Findley,  Baraboo, Portland,  
Sistersville, Cotton Ginning and  Denton!
 
Dave,
 
I was hoping to see you in Evansville in June.  What day/days will you  be in 
Denton?  Sure would like to see you one more time before  November.  Not sure 
why!
 
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Concord, Va.
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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Apr  2 17:28:48 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:28:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
In-Reply-To: <cc3.41ebfc70.3706a34a@aol.com>
References: <cc3.41ebfc70.3706a34a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A3EB89A3-308F-4F97-A5D6-061A42D77149@me.com>

>   Sure would like to see you one more time before  November.  Not  
> sure why!
> Tom  Schmutz

I'm sure it's my CHARMING PERSONALITY! I'll be at Evansville and  
Denton for the full show dates! See you there!
	Dave


From lfevans at pacbell.net  Fri Apr  3 15:59:14 2009
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:59:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20090403155816.037dbfb8@pop.att.yahoo.com>

Hi.......

A while ago I scanned a Worthington engine catalog that I thought was one 
of the most informative ones around and posted the scans on my web 
site.  It consisted of over 30 individual scans of around 500 KB each which 
is a lot of downloading if you wanted to print it out.  Craig Mathews must 
have liked it because he spent a lot of time downloading the images, 
cleaning them up and putting it all together as a single PDF file of about 
9 MB in size.

I have put a link to the PDF on the web page so if you are interested it is 
a much easier way to view and print the catalog.  See:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/worthcat/
for the link.

Regards,
Larry

Larry Evans
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Apr  3 16:12:35 2009
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 19:12:35 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update
Message-ID: <c16.5d86d3be.3707f1e3@aol.com>

Thanks to you and Craig for making this useful data available to  us.
 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, Calif.
 
 
In a message dated 4/3/2009 4:04:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
lfevans at pacbell.net writes:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/worthcat/


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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Apr  3 16:41:14 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 10:41:14 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update
References: <6.0.1.1.2.20090403155816.037dbfb8@pop.att.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <72979C9035B448FB85AA4412BBC0179A@REG>

Adds a new dimension to  Glove Puppet / party mouthpiece.
Take away the hand and...............
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Evans" <lfevans at pacbell.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:59 AM
Subject: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update


> Hi.......
>
> A while ago I scanned a Worthington engine catalog that I thought was one
> of the most informative ones around and posted the scans on my web
> site.  It consisted of over 30 individual scans of around 500 KB each 
> which
> is a lot of downloading if you wanted to print it out.  Craig Mathews must
> have liked it because he spent a lot of time downloading the images,
> cleaning them up and putting it all together as a single PDF file of about
> 9 MB in size.
>
> I have put a link to the PDF on the web page so if you are interested it 
> is
> a much easier way to view and print the catalog.  See:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/worthcat/
> for the link.
>
> Regards,
> Larry
>
> Larry Evans
> MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From kosh at ncweb.com  Fri Apr  3 17:04:22 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:04:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20090403155816.037dbfb8@pop.att.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090403200413.0b3839b0@ncweb.com>

Very nice!!!

Dave Merchant


At 06:59 PM 4/3/2009, you wrote:
>Hi.......
>
>A while ago I scanned a Worthington engine catalog that I thought was one
>of the most informative ones around and posted the scans on my web
>site.  It consisted of over 30 individual scans of around 500 KB each which
>is a lot of downloading if you wanted to print it out.  Craig Mathews must
>have liked it because he spent a lot of time downloading the images,
>cleaning them up and putting it all together as a single PDF file of about
>9 MB in size.
>
>I have put a link to the PDF on the web page so if you are interested it is
>a much easier way to view and print the catalog.  See:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/worthcat/
>for the link.
>
>Regards,
>Larry
>
>Larry Evans
>MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/
>
>
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From rotigel at me.com  Fri Apr  3 18:05:35 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 21:05:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update
In-Reply-To: <72979C9035B448FB85AA4412BBC0179A@REG>
References: <6.0.1.1.2.20090403155816.037dbfb8@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<72979C9035B448FB85AA4412BBC0179A@REG>
Message-ID: <1243C318-E28B-42F8-9BE7-48BEB87FF196@me.com>

Hi Reg, I saw your ad on e-bay for this "puppy." How many have you  
sold thus far?
	Dave

On Apr 3, 2009, at 7:41 PM, R & M Ingold wrote:

> Adds a new dimension to  Glove Puppet / party mouthpiece.
> Take away the hand and...............
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Evans" <lfevans at pacbell.net>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:59 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update
>
>
>> Hi.......
>>
>> A while ago I scanned a Worthington engine catalog that I thought  
>> was one
>> of the most informative ones around and posted the scans on my web
>> site.  It consisted of over 30 individual scans of around 500 KB each
>> which
>> is a lot of downloading if you wanted to print it out.  Craig  
>> Mathews must
>> have liked it because he spent a lot of time downloading the images,
>> cleaning them up and putting it all together as a single PDF file  
>> of about
>> 9 MB in size.
>>
>> I have put a link to the PDF on the web page so if you are  
>> interested it
>> is
>> a much easier way to view and print the catalog.  See:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/worthcat/
>> for the link.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Larry
>>
>> Larry Evans
>> MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr  3 20:33:53 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 20:33:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20090403155816.037dbfb8@pop.att.yahoo.com>
References: <6.0.1.1.2.20090403155816.037dbfb8@pop.att.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C63DD6C3-8364-482B-80F8-F46CB64C8988@rustyiron.com>

Thanks, guys, for taking the time to put this together.  Old paper is  
hard to come by, and very expensive when you do.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Apr 3, 2009, at 3:59 PM, Larry Evans wrote:

> Hi.......
>
> A while ago I scanned a Worthington engine catalog that I thought  
> was one
> of the most informative ones around and posted the scans on my web
> site.  It consisted of over 30 individual scans of around 500 KB  
> each which
> is a lot of downloading if you wanted to print it out.  Craig  
> Mathews must
> have liked it because he spent a lot of time downloading the images,
> cleaning them up and putting it all together as a single PDF file of  
> about
> 9 MB in size.
>
> I have put a link to the PDF on the web page so if you are  
> interested it is
> a much easier way to view and print the catalog.  See:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/worthcat/
> for the link.
>
> Regards,
> Larry



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Apr  3 20:51:09 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 14:51:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update
References: <6.0.1.1.2.20090403155816.037dbfb8@pop.att.yahoo.com><72979C9035B448FB85AA4412BBC0179A@REG>
	<1243C318-E28B-42F8-9BE7-48BEB87FF196@me.com>
Message-ID: <A16E24A1372641D0B43F2027D6EAF842@REG>

Yup, I answered the wrong mail!!
Should have been for "This says it all"
Blame it on age and stiff fingers.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update


> Hi Reg, I saw your ad on e-bay for this "puppy." How many have you  
> sold thus far?
> Dave
> 
> On Apr 3, 2009, at 7:41 PM, R & M Ingold wrote:
> 
>> Adds a new dimension to  Glove Puppet / party mouthpiece.
>> Take away the hand and...............
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Larry Evans" <lfevans at pacbell.net>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:59 AM
>> Subject: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update
>>
>>
>>> Hi.......
>>>
>>> A while ago I scanned a Worthington engine catalog that I thought  
>>> was one
>>> of the most informative ones around and posted the scans on my web
>>> site.  It consisted of over 30 individual scans of around 500 KB each
>>> which
>>> is a lot of downloading if you wanted to print it out.  Craig  
>>> Mathews must
>>> have liked it because he spent a lot of time downloading the images,
>>> cleaning them up and putting it all together as a single PDF file  
>>> of about
>>> 9 MB in size.
>>>
>>> I have put a link to the PDF on the web page so if you are  
>>> interested it
>>> is
>>> a much easier way to view and print the catalog.  See:
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/worthcat/
>>> for the link.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> Larry Evans
>>> MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>
>>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Apr  4 03:20:29 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 21:20:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT help with Excel off list
Message-ID: <C0257A9DAC154E25A2B5D74969EBF0F4@peterlowe>

Hi all
I would not normally put this to the list but I need a little help.

Is there anyone proficient in MS Excel and IF Statements, if so please contact me OFF LIST.
If you do not know how to contact me OFF LIST then please do not reply.
I light of recent events we should see no more reference to this subject ON LIST ;-)

Contact me here plowe at exemail.com.au

Peter Oz

From rotigel at me.com  Sat Apr  4 06:42:31 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 09:42:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update
In-Reply-To: <A16E24A1372641D0B43F2027D6EAF842@REG>
References: <6.0.1.1.2.20090403155816.037dbfb8@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<72979C9035B448FB85AA4412BBC0179A@REG>
	<1243C318-E28B-42F8-9BE7-48BEB87FF196@me.com>
	<A16E24A1372641D0B43F2027D6EAF842@REG>
Message-ID: <96FCC0AE-B328-4613-B9C8-7853E6F5EBD1@me.com>


On Apr 3, 2009, at 11:51 PM, R & M Ingold wrote:
>
> Blame it on age and stiff fingers.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.

Sadly that's about all we have left in that condition, mate!
	Dave


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sat Apr  4 13:30:35 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 13:30:35 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
Message-ID: <20651069.1238877035512.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like today I decided to finally spend sometime in the shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have had now for 2 months.  Spent about an hour working on the ignition system and a few engine adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I got this very strange sound, BANG..BANG followed by miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BANG..BANG!!..ect..  What a lovely sound.  


Tim Christoff
Basehor, Kansas.


From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Sat Apr  4 14:35:15 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 17:35:15 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
Message-ID: <cf5.4c9e60ef.37092c93@aol.com>

Sounds like you have to much missin and bangin going on over there.
KK
 
 
In a message dated 4/4/2009 4:34:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tchristoff at earthlink.net writes:


Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like today I decided to  finally 
spend sometime in the shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have  had now 
for 2 months.  Spent about an hour working on the ignition system  and a few 
engine adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I got this  very strange 
sound, BANG..BANG followed by  
miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BANG..BANG!!..ect..  What  a lovely sound.  


Tim Christoff
Basehor,  Kansas.
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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Sat Apr  4 14:38:03 2009
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 07:38:03 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
References: <20651069.1238877035512.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <26F3C128B62441C29B313AEE08205104@Edd>

That's great Tim.That engine music beats AC/DC any time.We are in Autumn now 
and ended daylight saving at midnight so it will start to cool of soon but 
here in OZ it wont get so cold to stop me messing with my stuff.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:30 AM
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!


>
> Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like today I decided to finally 
> spend sometime in the shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have had 
> now for 2 months.  Spent about an hour working on the ignition system and 
> a few engine adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I got this 
> very strange sound, BANG..BANG followed by 
> miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BANG..BANG!!..ect..  What a 
> lovely sound.
>
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor, Kansas.
> _______________________________________________
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sat Apr  4 15:49:43 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 18:49:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
References: <20651069.1238877035512.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001f01c9b577$a5f396f0$66674b47@mikecomp>

Atta boy Tim!  Can't wait to see it at Portland this year.  I am bringing a 
3 hp Economy and 300 bucks to swap for it, just like we agreed.  See you 
then!!!!

Mike (the good) cloistered oyster Royster

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 4:30 PM
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!


>
> Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like today I decided to finally 
> spend sometime in the shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have had 
> now for 2 months.  Spent about an hour working on the ignition system and 
> a few engine adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I got this 
> very strange sound, BANG..BANG followed by 
> miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BANG..BANG!!..ect..  What a 
> lovely sound.
>
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor, Kansas.
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Apr  4 18:20:08 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 20:20:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
In-Reply-To: <20651069.1238877035512.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEOCIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tim:

I ass-u-me that your new toy is a hit and miss.

If not, you've got some more work to do.    :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Tim
> Christoff
> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 03:31 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
> 
> 
> 
> Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like 
> today I decided to finally spend sometime in the 
> shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have 
> had now for 2 months.  Spent about an hour 
> working on the ignition system and a few engine 
> adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I 
> got this very strange sound, BANG..BANG followed 
> by 
> miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BAN
> G..BANG!!..ect..  What a lovely sound.  
> 
> 
> Tim Christoff




From kevin.karch at att.net  Sat Apr  4 18:02:58 2009
From: kevin.karch at att.net (Kevin Karch)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 18:02:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Thanks for the card!
Message-ID: <120925.90356.qm@web83801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi all - 

Quick update...Dad (Glenn) is still hanging in there and was tickled by the card....I could tell it really lifted his spirits...In fact, Mom is going to have it framed!? He said it was good to hear from so many people from so many places.

Regards and thanks for all of your well wishes,

Kevin Karch

From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr  4 19:13:34 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 20:13:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T. Looking for list member in Pine Bluff, Arkansas
Message-ID: <54C8CF06B0324563BEDB86F3C7F75E9F@PAUL>

If any of our list members lives in Pine Bluff, Arkansas  will you please contact me off list.

Thanks,
Paul


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr  4 19:14:39 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 20:14:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Thanks for the card!
References: <120925.90356.qm@web83801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B412F5A9C9354C838792E4E66AB87221@PAUL>

Kevin does your dad get on the pc just to read e-mails?

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Karch" <kevin.karch at att.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:02 PM
Subject: [SEL] Thanks for the card!


Hi all -

Quick update...Dad (Glenn) is still hanging in there and was tickled by the 
card....I could tell it really lifted his spirits...In fact, Mom is going to 
have it framed! He said it was good to hear from so many people from so many 
places.

Regards and thanks for all of your well wishes,

Kevin Karch
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sat Apr  4 18:55:12 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 21:55:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
In-Reply-To: <20651069.1238877035512.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <20651069.1238877035512.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <COL112-W78EC915A6F08944D1D898695870@phx.gbl>


Pictures, Tim, we need Pictures, since we can't be in Kansas! Send pictures till Portland brings this engine home. Steve 
 
> Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 13:30:35 -0700
> From: tchristoff at earthlink.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
> 
> 
> Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like today I decided to finally spend sometime in the shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have had now for 2 months. Spent about an hour working on the ignition system and a few engine adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I got this very strange sound, BANG..BANG followed by miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BANG..BANG!!..ect.. What a lovely sound. 
> 
> 
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor, Kansas.
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr  4 20:18:02 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 21:18:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
References: <20651069.1238877035512.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<COL112-W78EC915A6F08944D1D898695870@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <22A592136B6D414A9DFC2A8F41285C35@PAUL>

Steve, I may have been hearing things but we had a strong wind out of the 
North today and I swore I heard old Red fire up and running, was this just a 
figment of my imagination?

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!



Pictures, Tim, we need Pictures, since we can't be in Kansas! Send pictures 
till Portland brings this engine home. Steve

> Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 13:30:35 -0700
> From: tchristoff at earthlink.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
>
>
> Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like today I decided to finally 
> spend sometime in the shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have had 
> now for 2 months. Spent about an hour working on the ignition system and a 
> few engine adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I got this very 
> strange sound, BANG..BANG followed by 
> miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BANG..BANG!!..ect.. What a 
> lovely sound.
>
>
> Tim Christoff
> 



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Apr  4 19:43:41 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 12:43:41 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Austral register update
Message-ID: <C5FE57FD.B79%pml1@bigpond.net.au>

Well it has taken nearly two years but I finally have the entire Austral
register in a computer datatbase! This means I can finally very quickly look
up engine details or add to the register.
I have also updated the register page on my site & hope to be able to make
the register available as either a printout or as a PDF on disk later this
year. 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg0409.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Apr  4 21:35:43 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 00:35:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Austral register update
In-Reply-To: <C5FE57FD.B79%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <261B8728FA2E430F8BABCA947E810A01@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Wow, tremendous work Patrick.  I'm surprised at the number of engines
that are still around.  I wonder why there hasn't been more of them make
their way to the states?  I doubt there is more than a handful here in
the US.  I'd like to land my hands on one someday!  Looking at the
photos you have posted, I think I like the portables, 8 to 11 HP range.
Those cast wheels look nice but are they prone to any cracking?  I could
see letting one drop off the edge of a ramp and hitting the concrete.
Could you tell me if the magneto was an option for any engine?  The lamp
is neat but I don't like having to keep a torch under one for several
hours at a show.

Thanks!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 10:44 PM
To: ATIS; Oldengine
Subject: [SEL] Austral register update


Well it has taken nearly two years but I finally have the entire Austral
register in a computer datatbase! This means I can finally very quickly
look up engine details or add to the register. I have also updated the
register page on my site & hope to be able to make the register
available as either a printout or as a PDF on disk later this year. 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg0409.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html



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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  5 05:57:22 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 08:57:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
In-Reply-To: <22A592136B6D414A9DFC2A8F41285C35@PAUL>
References: <20651069.1238877035512.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<COL112-W78EC915A6F08944D1D898695870@phx.gbl> 
	<22A592136B6D414A9DFC2A8F41285C35@PAUL>
Message-ID: <COL112-W47F21835D90EA51921C5DF95870@phx.gbl>


What great hearing you have!     Yes , her first show is two weeks away and I'm fine tuning to get her ready. I 'll send pics when we get there!  Steve
 
> From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 21:18:02 -0600
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
> 
> Steve, I may have been hearing things but we had a strong wind out of the 
> North today and I swore I heard old Red fire up and running, was this just a 
> figment of my imagination?
> 
> Paul
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
> 
> 
> 
> Pictures, Tim, we need Pictures, since we can't be in Kansas! Send pictures 
> till Portland brings this engine home. Steve
> 
> > Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 13:30:35 -0700
> > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
> >
> >
> > Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like today I decided to finally 
> > spend sometime in the shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have had 
> > now for 2 months. Spent about an hour working on the ignition system and a 
> > few engine adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I got this very 
> > strange sound, BANG..BANG followed by 
> > miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BANG..BANG!!..ect.. What a 
> > lovely sound.
> >
> >
> > Tim Christoff
> > 
> 
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Apr  5 07:01:33 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 10:01:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Associated on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W47F21835D90EA51921C5DF95870@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9A5D6F6F2EE6414294158A95D9B73EC1@tommydk7hxjr4h>

I noticed this nice 6 HP Associated on ebay.  Looks like a nice engine
but I'm curious about the hopper.  I notice the hopper has a small round
hole in it rather than the "normal" rolled in edge that most Associateds
used.  Have I just not noticed the round hole on others or is this one a
bit different?  The item number is:

250400646007

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY  USA



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sun Apr  5 08:52:26 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 08:52:26 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
Message-ID: <7747698.1238946746908.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Now Mike, you know that we never did come to final terms on that agreement and since then you brother has up'ed you on the offer making your now void.  Don't know if he will be able to come through with such a great offer but it is still an offer.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>Sent: Apr 4, 2009 3:49 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
>
>Atta boy Tim!  Can't wait to see it at Portland this year.  I am bringing a 
>3 hp Economy and 300 bucks to swap for it, just like we agreed.  See you 
>then!!!!
>
>Mike (the good) cloistered oyster Royster
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 4:30 PM
>Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
>
>
>>
>> Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like today I decided to finally 
>> spend sometime in the shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have had 
>> now for 2 months.  Spent about an hour working on the ignition system and 
>> a few engine adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I got this 
>> very strange sound, BANG..BANG followed by 
>> miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BANG..BANG!!..ect..  What a 
>> lovely sound.
>>
>>
>> Tim Christoff
>> Basehor, Kansas.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> 
>
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sun Apr  5 08:56:24 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 08:56:24 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
Message-ID: <6133637.1238946984550.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

yup, she's a hit and miss.  One will fire and then in 180 degrees the next one fires and then it coast for a while.  It might have gone around 12 to 15 times before firing again, I still have some work to do on it so I can get longer periods of coasting.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
>From: Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>
>Sent: Apr 4, 2009 6:20 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
>
>Tim:
>
>I ass-u-me that your new toy is a hit and miss.
>
>If not, you've got some more work to do.    :-)
>
>Take care - Elden
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Tim
>> Christoff
>> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 03:31 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like 
>> today I decided to finally spend sometime in the 
>> shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have 
>> had now for 2 months.  Spent about an hour 
>> working on the ignition system and a few engine 
>> adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I 
>> got this very strange sound, BANG..BANG followed 
>> by 
>> miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BAN
>> G..BANG!!..ect..  What a lovely sound.  
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Christoff
>
>
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sun Apr  5 08:59:40 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 08:59:40 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
Message-ID: <15223576.1238947181181.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Well yesterday we had temps in the upper 60's and partly sunning, this morning when I got up the temps were in the upper 20's with sleet and a chance for snow later in the day so I guess winter isn't over with yet.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Edd Payne <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
>Sent: Apr 4, 2009 2:38 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
>
>That's great Tim.That engine music beats AC/DC any time.We are in Autumn now 
>and ended daylight saving at midnight so it will start to cool of soon but 
>here in OZ it wont get so cold to stop me messing with my stuff.
>EDD PAYNE
>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
>Australia
>2852
>Phone:0263742387
>edsengns at optusnet.com.au
>edsengns
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:30 AM
>Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
>
>
>>
>> Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like today I decided to finally 
>> spend sometime in the shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have had 
>> now for 2 months.  Spent about an hour working on the ignition system and 
>> a few engine adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I got this 
>> very strange sound, BANG..BANG followed by 
>> miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BANG..BANG!!..ect..  What a 
>> lovely sound.
>>
>>
>> Tim Christoff
>> Basehor, Kansas.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> 
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr  5 13:12:21 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 14:12:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
References: <20651069.1238877035512.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net><COL112-W78EC915A6F08944D1D898695870@phx.gbl>
	<22A592136B6D414A9DFC2A8F41285C35@PAUL>
	<COL112-W47F21835D90EA51921C5DF95870@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <EF87E3E33AB14F8A860E8838E9889807@PAUL>

Steve I am normally hard hearing but I have so many years of work invested 
in Old Red that I can pick her running sound out of a Thunderstorm. Now you 
be good to Old Red and show her off proud and send her Daddy some pictures, 
ye hear?????

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!



What great hearing you have!     Yes , her first show is two weeks away and 
I'm fine tuning to get her ready. I 'll send pics when we get there!  Steve




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  5 18:19:23 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 21:19:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
In-Reply-To: <7747698.1238946746908.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <7747698.1238946746908.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <COL112-W29181CEC8F14E250DC7C2D95840@phx.gbl>


Now Tim, You Know my good offer still stands!  We'll fulfill that contract at Portland while my brother cries in his beer over his ridiculously low offer on your fine engine! Remember his bucks ain't real and his Economy don't run! But keep this just between us, I don't want to get into family issues if ya know what I mean. Steve the good cloistered oyster brother!

 

 


 
> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 08:52:26 -0700
> From: tchristoff at earthlink.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
> 
> Now Mike, you know that we never did come to final terms on that agreement and since then you brother has up'ed you on the offer making your now void. Don't know if he will be able to come through with such a great offer but it is still an offer.
> 
> Tim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> >Sent: Apr 4, 2009 3:49 PM
> >To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
> >
> >Atta boy Tim! Can't wait to see it at Portland this year. I am bringing a 
> >3 hp Economy and 300 bucks to swap for it, just like we agreed. See you 
> >then!!!!
> >
> >Mike (the good) cloistered oyster Royster
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 4:30 PM
> >Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like today I decided to finally 
> >> spend sometime in the shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have had 
> >> now for 2 months. Spent about an hour working on the ignition system and 
> >> a few engine adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I got this 
> >> very strange sound, BANG..BANG followed by 
> >> miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BANG..BANG!!..ect.. What a 
> >> lovely sound.
> >>
> >>
> >> Tim Christoff
> >> Basehor, Kansas.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >> 
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From k_armstrong at arach.net.au  Sun Apr  5 22:17:39 2009
From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 13:17:39 +0800
Subject: [SEL] unknown engine
Message-ID: <E5E7F7DF322B4179B31731D2B7AA9ECD@armstrong>

can some one help Identify this engine, I now have 2 of them both with no id except all castings have jj part numbers, the serial numbers are JJ 61704 & JJ 61707. Simplicity engines look simmilar but cant get any information on them.


Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA 
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member 
V.C.C. of WA. member 
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Apr  6 01:53:57 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:53:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Austral register update
In-Reply-To: <261B8728FA2E430F8BABCA947E810A01@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <C6000045.BB0%pml1@bigpond.net.au>

Hi Tommy,
There are four engines in the USA on the register. The magneto engines are
scattered across the years as R-T refurbished engines at the factory or
fitted magnetos on site. From the early 20's more and more engines were
fitted with magnetos although lamp engines were still built to order. If you
want a magneto engine it would be best to find one rather than convert a
lamp engines. The parts to make the conversion would be difficult to source.
I have never heard of one of the cast wheels cracking under normal use. I
will admit to one of my wheels slipping off the ramp onto the concrete with
a thud but not even a mark or slightest sign of a crack. They are a very,
very high quality casting. R-T were slightly obsessed so the engines are
massively overbuilt which would be part of the reason for the astounding
survival rate.
Patrick


On 5/4/09 2:35 PM, "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:

> Wow, tremendous work Patrick.  I'm surprised at the number of engines
> that are still around.  I wonder why there hasn't been more of them make
> their way to the states?  I doubt there is more than a handful here in
> the US.  I'd like to land my hands on one someday!  Looking at the
> photos you have posted, I think I like the portables, 8 to 11 HP range.
> Those cast wheels look nice but are they prone to any cracking?  I could
> see letting one drop off the edge of a ramp and hitting the concrete.
> Could you tell me if the magneto was an option for any engine?  The lamp
> is neat but I don't like having to keep a torch under one for several
> hours at a show.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
>


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Apr  6 01:54:47 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:54:47 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Associated on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <9A5D6F6F2EE6414294158A95D9B73EC1@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <C6000077.BB1%pml1@bigpond.net.au>

Is it an 'Iowa Oversize' Associated? I think their hoppers are a little
different.
Patrick


On 6/4/09 12:01 AM, "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:

> I noticed this nice 6 HP Associated on ebay.  Looks like a nice engine
> but I'm curious about the hopper.  I notice the hopper has a small round
> hole in it rather than the "normal" rolled in edge that most Associateds
> used.  Have I just not noticed the round hole on others or is this one a
> bit different?  The item number is:
> 
> 250400646007
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY  USA
> 



Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From arnie1cax at woosh.co.nz  Mon Apr  6 16:04:58 2009
From: arnie1cax at woosh.co.nz (Arnold Laird)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 11:04:58 +1200
Subject: [SEL] Nationional engine
Message-ID: <704414885FE04A2BB25326884A572E69@user67e31dda98>

Can anyone help with a year of manufacture for this National Engine Model "M" No 241.

A friend found this engine buried in a creek recently.
One fly wheel broken off and other bits broken or bent possibly by a dozer.Nuts are coming off easily but a lot of rust to be removed.
I do have pics but not too sure how to send them to the list
   The brass plate says     National gas engine co
                                     Bickerton & Bradleys Patents
                                     Ashton-under Lyne
   Thanks Arnie Laird

From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Apr  6 21:44:00 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 21:44:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Nationional engine
In-Reply-To: <704414885FE04A2BB25326884A572E69@user67e31dda98>
References: <704414885FE04A2BB25326884A572E69@user67e31dda98>
Message-ID: <BBADE843-AE38-46BD-946A-9C1164573ABF@rustyiron.com>

Hi, Arnie.  You CAN'T send pictures of this desirable, super-low  
serial number engine to the Stationary Engine List.  I don't think  
records exist for Nationals that were built that early.  If it's not  
too much trouble, please send the pictures to me directly.  I'd like  
to have a peek at them.  If you want, I can put them up temporarily on  
my web site.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Apr 6, 2009, at 4:04 PM, Arnold Laird wrote:

> Can anyone help with a year of manufacture for this National Engine  
> Model "M" No 241.
>
> A friend found this engine buried in a creek recently.
> One fly wheel broken off and other bits broken or bent possibly by a  
> dozer.Nuts are coming off easily but a lot of rust to be removed.
> I do have pics but not too sure how to send them to the list
>   The brass plate says     National gas engine co
>                                     Bickerton & Bradleys Patents
>                                     Ashton-under Lyne
>   Thanks Arnie Laird



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Apr  6 23:33:57 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 16:33:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Nationional engine
In-Reply-To: <BBADE843-AE38-46BD-946A-9C1164573ABF@rustyiron.com>
References: <704414885FE04A2BB25326884A572E69@user67e31dda98>
	<BBADE843-AE38-46BD-946A-9C1164573ABF@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <EC187010414543A49B05FCFFD055405A@KerryPC>

Wow Arnie are you sure it is 241, that is real early. I know 636 was built 
1891
love also to see some pics

Kerry




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Apr  7 02:00:44 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:00:44 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. eMail address
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090407103916.03158e70@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Starting today our ISP is moving our email server to a new machine 
which also uses new software. They have promised that there will be no 
disruption or mail loss but I'm not so sure :-(

         The old server has been giving a lot of trouble of late and kept 
on crashing. (I think it ran out of paraffin :-) !). Our mail is still 
going to the old server and then forwarding it to the new server until the 
whole thing is running smoothly again. This worries me because I have a lot 
of filtering rules set up on the old server and I'm not sure how this 
transition is going to handle them.

         I'm only mentioning this on the list because I receive quite a few 
mails "off list" from members (mainly about tags). I always try to reply 
within 1 (or 2 at most) days so if you do not get a reply in this time 
please resend.

         Although our email addresses WILL NOT change I've set up a new 
email address on the new server as a temporary measure, just in case.
Mail to this address will go direct to the new server without being first 
routed through the old one. Use this address ONLY if you do not hear back 
from me within 2 days and it is also only a temporary arrangement (a few 
weeks at most).
The temporary address is <jerrye at atech.co.za>

         Thanks and also "sorry" to use the lists for this.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From k_armstrong at arach.net.au  Tue Apr  7 16:24:47 2009
From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 07:24:47 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Fw: updateing web page
Message-ID: <A7EA4BE149EE4DF3BF870AE9E76AF324@armstrong>



hello Jim,
 I have been trying to up date my web page but it will not load, I get a message 
 ( Microsoft FrontPage,
bad parameter passed to web server extensions. check the information you entered & try again.)

I have change things three time but do different, is there a maximum you can except.

all help appreciated

Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA 
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member 
V.C.C. of WA. member 
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Apr  8 06:28:18 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:28:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
Message-ID: <84BC69E92F6348F385F23AA3A4D2514C@tommyd0x52gkco>

A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info below.  Quite interesting.
Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY  USA
 
 
Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break out
torque on rusted nuts.  Significant results!  They are below, as
forwarded by an ex-student and professional machinist, Bud Baker.
*Don't forget the April 2007 "Machinist's Workshop" magazine comparison
test.*
**
*They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants with
the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a
"scientifically rusted" environment.*
**

*Penetrating oil ..... Average load*

None ..................... 516 pounds
WD-40 .................. 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ..... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix....53 pounds

*The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission
fluid and acetone.*
*Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this one
particular test. Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about
as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. *
**
*Your experience may vary, etc., etc.*
 


From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Apr  8 08:27:09 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:27:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: updateing web page
In-Reply-To: <A7EA4BE149EE4DF3BF870AE9E76AF324@armstrong>
References: <A7EA4BE149EE4DF3BF870AE9E76AF324@armstrong>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A7DAD66@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

Jim,

I'd suggest you post your request on a Microsoft Frontpage forum.
People using Frontpage will be of more help than antique engine
collectors. ;-)
You obviously have something setup wrong.


George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of kevin
armstrong
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:25 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Fw: updateing web page



hello Jim,
 I have been trying to up date my web page but it will not load, I get a
message 
 ( Microsoft FrontPage,
bad parameter passed to web server extensions. check the information you
entered & try again.)

I have change things three time but do different, is there a maximum you
can except.

all help appreciated

Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA 
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member 
V.C.C. of WA. member 
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong
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From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Apr  8 08:34:41 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:34:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <84BC69E92F6348F385F23AA3A4D2514C@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <84BC69E92F6348F385F23AA3A4D2514C@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A7DADA7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

Does it matter which type of ATF is used?  Type A or Type F?

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge
Tommy Turner
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:28 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils

A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info below.  Quite interesting.
Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY  USA
 
 
Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break out
torque on rusted nuts.  Significant results!  They are below, as
forwarded by an ex-student and professional machinist, Bud Baker.
*Don't forget the April 2007 "Machinist's Workshop" magazine comparison
test.*
**
*They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants with
the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a
"scientifically rusted" environment.*
**

*Penetrating oil ..... Average load*

None ..................... 516 pounds
WD-40 .................. 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ..... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix....53 pounds

*The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission
fluid and acetone.*
*Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this one
particular test. Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about
as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. *
**
*Your experience may vary, etc., etc.*
 
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  8 08:43:11 2009
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:43:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Show date
Message-ID: <466577.92689.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Morning,
What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
Thanks


?Ron Frost
??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
?
Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise


      

From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Apr  8 08:56:54 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:56:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <84BC69E92F6348F385F23AA3A4D2514C@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <84BC69E92F6348F385F23AA3A4D2514C@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <ACFD39F2-CDEE-4B54-BAEA-B869CA8D3B22@rustyiron.com>

Very interesting, Tommy.  I have somewhat of a lubricant fetish, and  
the shelfs contain more partially used cans of concoctions that I'd  
care to admit.  I think one shelf also harbors more cans of atf than  
most people would consider normal.  Perhaps some experimentation is in  
order.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com




On Apr 8, 2009, at 6:28 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info below.  Quite  
> interesting.
> Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY  USA


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Apr  8 08:57:37 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:57:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil
Message-ID: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

George, I just got off the phone with a tranny shop.He says that it doesn't
make any difference, they are both high detergents. The difference is the
compatibility with the clutch linings. I'm curious about Acetone and engine
finishes. What is acetone? Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Apr  8 09:38:00 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:38:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil
In-Reply-To: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <C01A4438-1A97-4E8F-A144-5D337BFC5CDA@rustyiron.com>

On Apr 8, 2009, at 8:57 AM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:

> George, I just got off the phone with a tranny shop.He says that it  
> doesn't
> make any difference, they are both high detergents. The difference  
> is the
> compatibility with the clutch linings. I'm curious about Acetone and  
> engine
> finishes. What is acetone? Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236

It's the stuff that dissolves paint and melts plastic.  Be wary about  
what kind of container you place it in.  I think acetone is the major  
component of lacquer thinner.






From Jim at hardmanfamily.net  Wed Apr  8 10:19:01 2009
From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:19:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <C709B960B12443F891736521DD5F1A70@JamesDesktop>


Jim,

Acetone is a solvent used in the formulation of nail polish, nail polish 
remover and many lacquers.  It is totally soluble in water and when mixed 
with other solvents has the ability to soften some paint finishes.  Used 
alone, acetone is used to clean and degrease metal surfaces;  coin 
collectors use acetone to remove fingerprints.

It evaporates very quickly;  short exposure to engine paint, particularly 
paint which has hardened with heat over time, should not be a problem. 
Early auto finishes, lacquer finishes, are more in jeopardy.  But you can 
generally clean engine enamel with a quick wipe with acetone to remove 
greasy film and help promote adhesion of new paint.

Toluene or Xylene would probably be better for cutting dried grease and oil 
film.  For loosening dried and hardened oil residues, acetone would not be 
first choice.  But it apparently acts as a carrier for transmission fluid, 
encouraging and promoting deep penetration.  This application as a rust 
penetrant gets my attention.

I am disappointed that Gibbs penetrant was not included in these tests. 
Gibbs is, to me, the best rust cutter I have tried.  I had soaked parts of a 
steam engine in Kroil and WD-40 for a couple weeks with no progress.  Ten 
miniutes with Gibbs and the rust melted away, the bolts were free with 
minimal torque.

Jim in Vermont.  Where snow is still falling.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 11:57 AM
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil


> George, I just got off the phone with a tranny shop.He says that it 
> doesn't
> make any difference, they are both high detergents. The difference is the
> compatibility with the clutch linings. I'm curious about Acetone and 
> engine
> finishes. What is acetone? Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236
>
>
>
> Jim O'Hagan
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jneth3 at mac.com  Wed Apr  8 10:35:00 2009
From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:35:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil
In-Reply-To: <GCRS45038F27@gocruisers.org>
References: <GCRS45038F27@gocruisers.org>
Message-ID: <123372849783277176590727368666068282665-Webmail@me.com>

Acetone is an organic solvent.  The primary ingredient in fingernail polish remover.  It will dissolve super-glue.  It is very useful but be careful.  Use glass or metal containers as it will dissolve many plastics, paints etc.  Put a drop on a styrofoam cup and watch what happens....

John

John W. Neth III


Johnson City, TN  37601





 
On Wednesday, April 08, 2009, at 11:57AM, "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net> wrote:
>George, I just got off the phone with a tranny shop.He says that it doesn't
>make any difference, they are both high detergents. The difference is the
>compatibility with the clutch linings. I'm curious about Acetone and engine
>finishes. What is acetone? Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236
>
> 
>
>Jim O'Hagan
>
> 
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>


From rotigel at me.com  Wed Apr  8 10:47:40 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:47:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A7DADA7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <84BC69E92F6348F385F23AA3A4D2514C@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A7DADA7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <FA701104-CD7F-42F5-8E7D-982FFF985A68@me.com>

Hi Tommy, Does this friend know the meaning of the word "subjective"  
as in "subjective test?"
	Dave
PS, Do you know where I can buy some of that None stuff?

On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Does it matter which type of ATF is used?  Type A or Type F?
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge
> Tommy Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:28 AM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
>
> A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info below.  Quite  
> interesting.
> Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY  USA
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break out
> torque on rusted nuts.  Significant results!  They are below, as
> forwarded by an ex-student and professional machinist, Bud Baker.
> *Don't forget the April 2007 "Machinist's Workshop" magazine  
> comparison
> test.*
> **
> *They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants with
> the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a
> "scientifically rusted" environment.*
> **
>
> *Penetrating oil ..... Average load*
>
> None ..................... 516 pounds
> WD-40 .................. 238 pounds
> PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds
> Liquid Wrench ..... 127 pounds
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
> ATF-Acetone mix....53 pounds
>
> *The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission
> fluid and acetone.*
> *Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this  
> one
> particular test. Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about
> as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. *
> **
> *Your experience may vary, etc., etc.*
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of  
> the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and  
> confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended  
> recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient,  
> you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication  
> is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in  
> error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message  
> and any attachments from your system.
>
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Apr  8 10:59:02 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:59:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
In-Reply-To: <466577.92689.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <466577.92689.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <28134896-946D-4025-9E18-4450287D81C2@me.com>

June 18, 19 and 20 and Oct 15, 16 and 17.
	Dave
On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Ron Frost wrote:

> Morning,
> What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
> Thanks
>  Ron Frost


From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Wed Apr  8 10:52:27 2009
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:52:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <FA701104-CD7F-42F5-8E7D-982FFF985A68@me.com>
References: <84BC69E92F6348F385F23AA3A4D2514C@tommyd0x52gkco>	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A7DADA7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<FA701104-CD7F-42F5-8E7D-982FFF985A68@me.com>
Message-ID: <49DCE45B.6080201@accnorwalk.com>



David Rotigel wrote:
> PS, Do you know where I can buy some of that None stuff?
>   
Hey Dave, I've got a bunch of that! Send me 20.00 per case and I'll send 
you some. Doug T


From marinesurveys at msn.com  Wed Apr  8 11:04:15 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:04:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
In-Reply-To: <28134896-946D-4025-9E18-4450287D81C2@me.com>
References: <466577.92689.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<28134896-946D-4025-9E18-4450287D81C2@me.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W376D4DEEA179A441C8CF0BB4820@phx.gbl>


A question , where is CoolSprings located ?

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: rotigel at me.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:59:02 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> 
> June 18, 19 and 20 and Oct 15, 16 and 17.
> Dave
> On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Ron Frost wrote:
> 
> > Morning,
> > What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
> > Thanks
> > Ron Frost
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Apr  8 11:45:32 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:45:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <FA701104-CD7F-42F5-8E7D-982FFF985A68@me.com>
Message-ID: <6E8C03D36CC747E985E5AEF5998B6AC3@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Yes Dave, I would imagine the tests were done by either the Acetone or
ATF manufacturers.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David
Rotigel
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 1:48 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating Oils


Hi Tommy, Does this friend know the meaning of the word "subjective"  
as in "subjective test?"
	Dave
PS, Do you know where I can buy some of that None stuff?

On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Does it matter which type of ATF is used?  Type A or Type F?
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge 
> Tommy Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:28 AM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
>
> A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info below.  Quite
> interesting.
> Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY  USA
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break out

> torque on rusted nuts.  Significant results!  They are below, as 
> forwarded by an ex-student and professional machinist, Bud Baker. 
> *Don't forget the April 2007 "Machinist's Workshop" magazine
> comparison
> test.*
> **
> *They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants with
> the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a
> "scientifically rusted" environment.*
> **
>
> *Penetrating oil ..... Average load*
>
> None ..................... 516 pounds
> WD-40 .................. 238 pounds
> PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds
> Liquid Wrench ..... 127 pounds
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
> ATF-Acetone mix....53 pounds
>
> *The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic 
> transmission fluid and acetone.*
> *Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this  
> one
> particular test. Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about
> as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. *
> **
> *Your experience may vary, etc., etc.*
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Apr  8 11:47:46 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:47:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil
In-Reply-To: <123372849783277176590727368666068282665-Webmail@me.com>
Message-ID: <953E42FE9A64457FBDEA99B31D8A9D1E@tommydk7hxjr4h>

John,
	Some plastics are OK.  My wife's fingernail polish remover is
something like 90% acetone and it comes in a plastic bottle.  Not sure
what type plastic is OK though to use.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Neth
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 1:35 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penitrating oil


Acetone is an organic solvent.  The primary ingredient in fingernail
polish remover.  It will dissolve super-glue.  It is very useful but be
careful.  Use glass or metal containers as it will dissolve many
plastics, paints etc.  Put a drop on a styrofoam cup and watch what
happens....

John

John W. Neth III


Johnson City, TN  37601





 
On Wednesday, April 08, 2009, at 11:57AM, "Jim O'Hagan"
<jdohagan at comcast.net> wrote:
>George, I just got off the phone with a tranny shop.He says that it 
>doesn't make any difference, they are both high detergents. The 
>difference is the compatibility with the clutch linings. I'm curious 
>about Acetone and engine finishes. What is acetone? Jimmy O'Hagan,415 
>892 0236
>
> 
>
>Jim O'Hagan
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  8 11:51:52 2009
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:51:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
Message-ID: <453912.56663.qm@web110215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks



?Ron Frost
??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
?
Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 1:59 PM


June 18, 19 and 20 and Oct 15, 16 and 17.
??? Dave
On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Ron Frost wrote:

> Morning,
> What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
> Thanks
>? Ron Frost
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  8 11:47:06 2009
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:47:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
Message-ID: <824054.86254.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

About a hundred miles east of the PA Ohio border into Pennsylvania on I-80 and about 20 miles south of I-80. Small town and show grounds.



?Ron Frost
??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
?
Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:


From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 2:04 PM



A question , where is CoolSprings located ?

? ? ? ? Franklin S. Skinner 
? ? Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
? ? ???34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470




> From: rotigel at me.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:59:02 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> 
> June 18, 19 and 20 and Oct 15, 16 and 17.
> Dave
> On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Ron Frost wrote:
> 
> > Morning,
> > What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
> > Thanks
> > Ron Frost
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  8 12:16:26 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:16:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
In-Reply-To: <824054.86254.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <824054.86254.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W9DB2F8F6C08486E47700595820@phx.gbl>


Don't use Google maps either, they show it 60 miles nw of the actual site.   Steve
 
> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:47:06 -0700
> From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> 
> About a hundred miles east of the PA Ohio border into Pennsylvania on I-80 and about 20 miles south of I-80. Small town and show grounds.
> 
> 
> 
>  Ron Frost
>   http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
>  
> Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise
> 
> --- On Wed, 4/8/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 2:04 PM
> 
> 
> 
> A question , where is CoolSprings located ?
> 
>         Franklin S. Skinner 
>     Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
>        34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: rotigel at me.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:59:02 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> > 
> > June 18, 19 and 20 and Oct 15, 16 and 17.
> > Dave
> > On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Ron Frost wrote:
> > 
> > > Morning,
> > > What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
> > > Thanks
> > > Ron Frost
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From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Apr  8 12:45:23 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:45:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W9DB2F8F6C08486E47700595820@phx.gbl>
References: <824054.86254.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<COL112-W9DB2F8F6C08486E47700595820@phx.gbl>
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That's because there are 2 Coolspring's.  You just picked the wrong one.

In Streets & Trips you pick the one in Jefferson county.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Royster
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:16 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)


Don't use Google maps either, they show it 60 miles nw of the actual
site.   Steve
 
> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:47:06 -0700
> From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> 
> About a hundred miles east of the PA Ohio border into Pennsylvania on
I-80 and about 20 miles south of I-80. Small town and show grounds.
> 
> 
> 
>  Ron Frost
>   http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
>  
> Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise
> 
> --- On Wed, 4/8/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 2:04 PM
> 
> 
> 
> A question , where is CoolSprings located ?
> 
>         Franklin S. Skinner 
>     Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
>        34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: rotigel at me.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:59:02 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> > 
> > June 18, 19 and 20 and Oct 15, 16 and 17.
> > Dave
> > On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Ron Frost wrote:
> > 
> > > Morning,
> > > What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
> > > Thanks
> > > Ron Frost
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  8 13:00:48 2009
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:00:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
Message-ID: <708720.40225.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

It's the one in Jeferson County. There are a couple more Coolspring's in Pennsylvania . Probably Google is picking up the wrong one
It's south of Brookville and just southwest of DuBois



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?
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--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 3:16 PM



Don't use Google maps either, they show it 60 miles nw of the actual site.???Steve

> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:47:06 -0700
> From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> 
> About a hundred miles east of the PA Ohio border into Pennsylvania on I-80 and about 20 miles south of I-80. Small town and show grounds.
> 
> 
> 
>? Ron Frost
>???http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
>? 
> Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise
> 
> --- On Wed, 4/8/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 2:04 PM
> 
> 
> 
> A question , where is CoolSprings located ?
> 
>? ? ? ???Franklin S. Skinner 
>? ???Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
>? ? ? ? 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: rotigel at me.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:59:02 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> > 
> > June 18, 19 and 20 and Oct 15, 16 and 17.
> > Dave
> > On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Ron Frost wrote:
> > 
> > > Morning,
> > > What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
> > > Thanks
> > > Ron Frost
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From james.kangas at timken.com  Wed Apr  8 13:42:43 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 16:42:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
References: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
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Is the Acetone being used to thin out the transmission fluid? This thread reminded me of working in a tractor shop in the '70's.Automatic transmission fluid was the standard trick to un-seize an engine.If that didn't work we used CRC.Between the two we always got the engine free.
 
Jim, also in Vermont

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From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Jim Hardman
Sent: Wed 4/8/2009 1:19 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating oil




Jim,

Acetone is a solvent used in the formulation of nail polish, nail polish
remover and many lacquers.  It is totally soluble in water and when mixed
with other solvents has the ability to soften some paint finishes.  Used
alone, acetone is used to clean and degrease metal surfaces;  coin
collectors use acetone to remove fingerprints.

It evaporates very quickly;  short exposure to engine paint, particularly
paint which has hardened with heat over time, should not be a problem.
Early auto finishes, lacquer finishes, are more in jeopardy.  But you can
generally clean engine enamel with a quick wipe with acetone to remove
greasy film and help promote adhesion of new paint.

Toluene or Xylene would probably be better for cutting dried grease and oil
film.  For loosening dried and hardened oil residues, acetone would not be
first choice.  But it apparently acts as a carrier for transmission fluid,
encouraging and promoting deep penetration.  This application as a rust
penetrant gets my attention.

I am disappointed that Gibbs penetrant was not included in these tests.
Gibbs is, to me, the best rust cutter I have tried.  I had soaked parts of a
steam engine in Kroil and WD-40 for a couple weeks with no progress.  Ten
miniutes with Gibbs and the rust melted away, the bolts were free with
minimal torque.

Jim in Vermont.  Where snow is still falling.

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To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 11:57 AM
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil


> George, I just got off the phone with a tranny shop.He says that it
> doesn't
> make any difference, they are both high detergents. The difference is the
> compatibility with the clutch linings. I'm curious about Acetone and
> engine
> finishes. What is acetone? Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236
>
>
>
> Jim O'Hagan
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From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 16:53:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <84BC69E92F6348F385F23AA3A4D2514C@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEBEIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tommy:

Why don't you whip-up a batch of the stuff and give it a shot then report back here on the results.

As for me, unless it's something I can't get replacement fasteners for, I simply use the gorilla approach along with heat, a hammer and a generous helping of blue language.  If I break the sucker, it deserved it's fate!
 
Take care - Elden DuRand
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Judge Tommy
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 08:28 AM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
> 
> 
> A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info 
> below.  Quite interesting.
> Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY  USA
>  
>  
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested 
> penetrants for break out
> torque on rusted nuts. 




From rolfb at accima.com  Wed Apr  8 14:00:40 2009
From: rolfb at accima.com (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:00:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06030@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
References: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>	<C709B960B12443F891736521DD5F1A70@JamesDesktop>
	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06030@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
Message-ID: <49DD1078.6060008@accima.com>

Jim - Thanks for the heads up hint about using transmission fluid to 
un-seize engines.   I'm new and learning.  But what is CRC?

Regards,

Bob R
Moses Lake, WA

Kangas, James G. wrote:
> Is the Acetone being used to thin out the transmission fluid? This thread reminded me of working in a tractor shop in the '70's.Automatic transmission fluid was the standard trick to un-seize an engine.If that didn't work we used CRC.Between the two we always got the engine free.
>  
> Jim, also in Vermont
>
>   
>   


From rotigel at me.com  Wed Apr  8 14:22:39 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:22:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A7DB541@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <824054.86254.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<COL112-W9DB2F8F6C08486E47700595820@phx.gbl>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A7DB541@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <9B920DE2-43CF-41D3-AC0B-D287C506538A@me.com>

Perhaps the problem is that there is NO "S" on the name of the place  
at which the engine show takes place! It's COOLSPRING!
	Dave
PS, You will have the same problem if you try to get directions to  
Pittsburgh by typing "Philadelphia" into mapquest!
PPS, Books, school, EAT!
PPPS, See p. 14 of the SHOW DIRECTORY!
On Apr 8, 2009, at 3:45 PM, Best, George wrote:

> That's because there are 2 Coolspring's.  You just picked the wrong  
> one.
>
> In Streets & Trips you pick the one in Jefferson county.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve
> Royster
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:16 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
>
>
> Don't use Google maps either, they show it 60 miles nw of the actual
> site.   Steve
>
>> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:47:06 -0700
>> From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
>>
>> About a hundred miles east of the PA Ohio border into Pennsylvania on
> I-80 and about 20 miles south of I-80. Small town and show grounds.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron Frost
>>  http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
>>
>> Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise
>>
>> --- On Wed, 4/8/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 2:04 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> A question , where is CoolSprings located ?
>>
>>        Franklin S. Skinner
>>    Marine Surveyor & Consultant
>> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409
>>       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West
>> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: rotigel at me.com
>>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:59:02 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
>>>
>>> June 18, 19 and 20 and Oct 15, 16 and 17.
>>> Dave
>>> On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Ron Frost wrote:
>>>
>>>> Morning,
>>>> What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Ron Frost
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Apr  8 14:14:08 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:14:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEBEIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <37549DB0A67242059C301CB9CCC97BF0@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Might give it a shot Elden.  I've got plenty of rusted stuff to try it
on!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden
DuRand
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:54 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating Oils


Tommy:

Why don't you whip-up a batch of the stuff and give it a shot then
report back here on the results.

As for me, unless it's something I can't get replacement fasteners for,
I simply use the gorilla approach along with heat, a hammer and a
generous helping of blue language.  If I break the sucker, it deserved
it's fate!
 
Take care - Elden DuRand
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Wed Apr  8 14:16:44 2009
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:16:44 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEBEIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <8E7009F6620646B38B8649235FBB5C1B@Edd>

The same approach works well for me to.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating Oils


> Tommy:
>
> Why don't you whip-up a batch of the stuff and give it a shot then report 
> back here on the results.
>
> As for me, unless it's something I can't get replacement fasteners for, I 
> simply use the gorilla approach along with heat, a hammer and a generous 
> helping of blue language.  If I break the sucker, it deserved it's fate!
>
> Take care - Elden DuRand
> edurand at mchsi.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Judge Tommy
>> Turner
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 08:28 AM
>> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
>> Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
>>
>>
>> A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info
>> below.  Quite interesting.
>> Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY  USA
>>
>>
>> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested
>> penetrants for break out
>> torque on rusted nuts.
>
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  8 14:39:44 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:39:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil
Message-ID: <168293.60639.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

$16.99 USD per gallon at Ace Hardware.
?
I just happened to notice that price last Thursday because at work we go through it 
by the 55 gallon drum.? 
That same day I had?asked if I could have a little for cleaning at home and the 
boss gave me a full gallon jug of Acetone.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Jim O'Hagan <jdohagan at comcast.net> wrote:

SNIP

?What is acetone? Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236



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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Apr  8 14:42:34 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:42:34 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <49DD1078.6060008@accima.com>
References: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>	<C709B960B12443F891736521DD5F1A70@JamesDesktop><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06030@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<49DD1078.6060008@accima.com>
Message-ID: <71BE70DF807A4C1C9023113C92072C8F@KerryPC>

Bob

The CRC I have used is like WD40, comes in a spray can and has a electrical 
type (displace moisture) and a mechanical type.

Kerry

Lithgow NSW Oz


 > But what is CRC? 



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Apr  8 14:50:28 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:50:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
References: <824054.86254.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<COL112-W9DB2F8F6C08486E47700595820@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004e01c9b894$07ec5850$66674b47@mikecomp>

That sounds like experience to me!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)



Don't use Google maps either, they show it 60 miles nw of the actual site. 
Steve

> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:47:06 -0700
> From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
>
> About a hundred miles east of the PA Ohio border into Pennsylvania on I-80 
> and about 20 miles south of I-80. Small town and show grounds.
>
>
>
>  Ron Frost
>   http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
>
> Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise
>
> --- On Wed, 4/8/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 2:04 PM
>
>
>
> A question , where is CoolSprings located ?
>
>         Franklin S. Skinner
>     Marine Surveyor & Consultant
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409
>        34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
>
>
>
>
> > From: rotigel at me.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:59:02 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> >
> > June 18, 19 and 20 and Oct 15, 16 and 17.
> > Dave
> > On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Ron Frost wrote:
> >
> > > Morning,
> > > What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
> > > Thanks
> > > Ron Frost
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Apr  8 14:54:55 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:54:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
References: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>	<C709B960B12443F891736521DD5F1A70@JamesDesktop><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06030@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<49DD1078.6060008@accima.com>
Message-ID: <007c01c9b894$a73ea160$66674b47@mikecomp>

CRC  is a penetrant/lubricant we have used for years.  Good stuff.

Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob W7AVK" <rolfb at accima.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating oil


> Jim - Thanks for the heads up hint about using transmission fluid to
> un-seize engines.   I'm new and learning.  But what is CRC?
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob R
> Moses Lake, WA
>
> Kangas, James G. wrote:
>> Is the Acetone being used to thin out the transmission fluid? This thread 
>> reminded me of working in a tractor shop in the '70's.Automatic 
>> transmission fluid was the standard trick to un-seize an engine.If that 
>> didn't work we used CRC.Between the two we always got the engine free.
>>
>> Jim, also in Vermont
>>
>>
>>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Apr  8 14:55:16 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:55:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil and CRC
References: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>	<C709B960B12443F891736521DD5F1A70@JamesDesktop><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06030@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<49DD1078.6060008@accima.com>
Message-ID: <60F22735B7EF4AEB8C1D7EED3E19BE15@peterlowe>

Here is a CRC Link

http://www.crcindustries.com/crcwebmain/

Peter, Oz





> Jim - Thanks for the heads up hint about using transmission fluid to
> un-seize engines.   I'm new and learning.  But what is CRC?
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob R
> Moses Lake, WA
>
> Kangas, James G. wrote:
>> Is the Acetone being used to thin out the transmission fluid? This thread 
>> reminded me of working in a tractor shop in the '70's.Automatic 
>> transmission fluid was the standard trick to un-seize an engine.If that 
>> didn't work we used CRC.Between the two we always got the engine free.
>>
>> Jim, also in Vermont
>>
>>
>>
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Apr  8 15:19:07 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 18:19:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
In-Reply-To: <004e01c9b894$07ec5850$66674b47@mikecomp>
References: <824054.86254.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<COL112-W9DB2F8F6C08486E47700595820@phx.gbl>
	<004e01c9b894$07ec5850$66674b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <F153C7F7-180E-4627-8960-246638C93823@me.com>

You have to give him credit Steve. He sat there for three days TRYING  
to get those two engines of his running and wondering where in the  
hell everyone else was!
	Dave

On Apr 8, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Mike Royster wrote:

> That sounds like experience to me!!!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
>
>
>
> Don't use Google maps either, they show it 60 miles nw of the actual  
> site.
> Steve
>
>> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:47:06 -0700
>> From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
>>
>> About a hundred miles east of the PA Ohio border into Pennsylvania  
>> on I-80
>> and about 20 miles south of I-80. Small town and show grounds.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron Frost
>>  http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
>>
>> Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise
>>
>> --- On Wed, 4/8/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 2:04 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> A question , where is CoolSprings located ?
>>
>>        Franklin S. Skinner
>>    Marine Surveyor & Consultant
>> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409
>>       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West
>> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: rotigel at me.com
>>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:59:02 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
>>>
>>> June 18, 19 and 20 and Oct 15, 16 and 17.
>>> Dave
>>> On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Ron Frost wrote:
>>>
>>>> Morning,
>>>> What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Ron Frost
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From james.kangas at timken.com  Wed Apr  8 15:01:01 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 18:01:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
References: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>	<C709B960B12443F891736521DD5F1A70@JamesDesktop>
	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06030@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<49DD1078.6060008@accima.com>
Message-ID: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06031@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>

CRC 3-36 predated WD-40 but was a similar product.Liquid wrench is the only other product from that time that I recall being available,but the CRC seemed to work better.We got the CRC in 5 gal. buckets
     Jim

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Bob W7AVK
Sent: Wed 4/8/2009 5:00 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating oil



Jim - Thanks for the heads up hint about using transmission fluid to
un-seize engines.   I'm new and learning.  But what is CRC?

Regards,

Bob R
Moses Lake, WA

Kangas, James G. wrote:
> Is the Acetone being used to thin out the transmission fluid? This thread reminded me of working in a tractor shop in the '70's.Automatic transmission fluid was the standard trick to un-seize an engine.If that didn't work we used CRC.Between the two we always got the engine free.
> 
> Jim, also in Vermont
>
>  
>  
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Apr  8 15:36:18 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 08:36:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Aussie National Rally
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G'day all, only because it has not been mentioned here but last 
weekend was the National Rally here in OZ. It was held at Murray 
Bridge which was great for us as it was only a four hour drive 
away.  I took my completed Campbell engine which run very well all 
weekend. It also now has a new mechanical oiler fitted thanks to Tim 
Macaire from the UK. I have been in contact with Tim for some time 
after meeting him when he lived in Adelaide for 12 months. Tim 
arrived early on the Friday morning and we bolted it to the engine 
before starting it up.

The rally was great. As always we can pick a few things out that 
could have been done better but over all a fantastic rally. HEAPS of 
really good engines on display. Collectively perhaps the best I've 
seen. Was well worth the trip

Russell

PS: Tommy I now have some video of my engine. I will see if I can get 
some of it on youtube. If my dumb ass can't do it then I will see if 
Patrick can stick it on there.



From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Apr  8 16:01:43 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 09:01:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Portland in August
Message-ID: <20090408230139.E83013B4212@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>

Look out you guys, We have bought tickets to the US and will be at 
Baraboo and Portland this year. Pretty exciting stuff for us.Will be 
doing about a ten day drive from Chicago to Niagra Falls and back to 
Baraboo. Welcome for hints of what not to miss.  If you want to post 
direct: russell at ncable.com.au A few nights in NY and then 5 nights LA

Looking forward to meeting up with you many fellow list members.
Russell  



From enginman1 at verizon.net  Wed Apr  8 16:43:45 2009
From: enginman1 at verizon.net (Jeff Parks)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:43:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland in August
References: <20090408230139.E83013B4212@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <96E2E38D0EC34ADEADBE63C672972748@JREnterprizes1>

Russell,

If your coming to Niagara Falls you might think of stopping 
by our place. Only a 1/2 hr. drive from the falls. Let me know
if you have the time.

Jeff Parks
enginman1 at verizon.net
www.parksmotors.net





> Look out you guys, We have bought tickets to the US and will be at 
> Baraboo and Portland this year. Pretty exciting stuff for us.Will be 
> doing about a ten day drive from Chicago to Niagra Falls and back to 
> Baraboo. Welcome for hints of what not to miss.  If you want to post 
> direct: russell at ncable.com.au A few nights in NY and then 5 nights LA
> 
> Looking forward to meeting up with you many fellow list members.
> Russell  
> 



From marinesurveys at msn.com  Wed Apr  8 16:47:06 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 19:47:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil and CRC
In-Reply-To: <60F22735B7EF4AEB8C1D7EED3E19BE15@peterlowe>
References: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
	<C709B960B12443F891736521DD5F1A70@JamesDesktop><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06030@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<49DD1078.6060008@accima.com>
	<60F22735B7EF4AEB8C1D7EED3E19BE15@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <COL106-W51830B82EA06A00CF2BAE8B4820@phx.gbl>


Kinda close on this thread {sorta} for those of you that want to lay up

a non-rusted part for a while, I use a product called "LPS-3" it's like 

Cosmoline in a rattle can { waxy } spray the part { Including machined things

precision tools etc.} wrap in cheese cloth, spray again & wrap in thick brown paper

& tape up well, the parts will remain in like new condition.

 

Remember as rust matures it becomes old engines 

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: plowe at exemail.com.au
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:55:16 +1000
> Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil and CRC
> 
> Here is a CRC Link
> 
> http://www.crcindustries.com/crcwebmain/
> 
> Peter, Oz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Jim - Thanks for the heads up hint about using transmission fluid to
> > un-seize engines. I'm new and learning. But what is CRC?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bob R
> > Moses Lake, WA
> >
> > Kangas, James G. wrote:
> >> Is the Acetone being used to thin out the transmission fluid? This thread 
> >> reminded me of working in a tractor shop in the '70's.Automatic 
> >> transmission fluid was the standard trick to un-seize an engine.If that 
> >> didn't work we used CRC.Between the two we always got the engine free.
> >>
> >> Jim, also in Vermont
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Apr  8 17:09:38 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 20:09:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland in August
References: <20090408230139.E83013B4212@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <000601c9b8a7$794b0a60$66674b47@mikecomp>

Hey, Steve and I are a mere 700 miles or 12 hours away from Niagra Falls, 
swing on down and make a big loop!

Mike & Steve Royster (the twins)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:01 PM
Subject: [SEL] Portland in August


> Look out you guys, We have bought tickets to the US and will be at
> Baraboo and Portland this year. Pretty exciting stuff for us.Will be
> doing about a ten day drive from Chicago to Niagra Falls and back to
> Baraboo. Welcome for hints of what not to miss.  If you want to post
> direct: russell at ncable.com.au A few nights in NY and then 5 nights LA
>
> Looking forward to meeting up with you many fellow list members.
> Russell
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Thu Apr  9 04:23:38 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:23:38 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland in August
In-Reply-To: <20090408230139.E83013B4212@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>
References: <20090408230139.E83013B4212@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <BLU135-W3B124DA0871C0A1E9F2D7C8830@phx.gbl>


Hi Russell,

 

If your going to Niagara Falls there is a better view of the falls and more action on the Canada side. Just to the north of the falls (a few minutes drive) is a spot called Whirlpool rapids. That is interesting to see. Depending on what your in to, just north of the Whirlpool rapids ( a few more minutes ) is the botanical gardens. My family spent a couple hours walking around the gardens and it was very beautiful. Not sure what will be blooming in August though.

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 

=============================
 
> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:01:43 +1000
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> From: russell at ncable.com.au
> Subject: [SEL] Portland in August
> 
> Look out you guys, We have bought tickets to the US and will be at 
> Baraboo and Portland this year. Pretty exciting stuff for us.Will be 
> doing about a ten day drive from Chicago to Niagra Falls and back to 
> Baraboo. Welcome for hints of what not to miss. If you want to post 
> direct: russell at ncable.com.au A few nights in NY and then 5 nights LA
> 
> Looking forward to meeting up with you many fellow list members.
> Russell 
> 

_________________________________________________________________
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http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009

From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Apr  9 05:37:51 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 22:37:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Web site scammer is at it again
Message-ID: <6CC4D16378904807BD49A651C7B41281@peterlowe>

Hi all
Beware those who own web sites, this scammer is at it again.
The advert he is refering to is from my R&V web site.
Never heard of a male whose name in Brain, bad spelling for Brian I would say.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm



----- Original Message ----- 
From: Brain William 
To: plowe at exemail.com.au 
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:53 PM
Subject: Wanted: Any parts to complete the restoration of my R&V "SR" series 2hp Triumph Line engine. Badly need a dry head, piston, conrod, governor gears and small parts


      Hello,

      Am Brain William i live in 121 Old Kent road, SE1 5AA London,UK,I saw your wanted Ads .If still interested,please email me for further transaction.
       
      Thanks,
      Brain 



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Apr  9 06:11:54 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:11:54 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1239206402.31229.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090409150645.018c6e88@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 08/04/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:28:18 -0400
>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
>
>A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info below.  Quite interesting.
>Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY  USA

Hi Tommy,
         Very interesting post - thanks for sending it.
         I've got an unopened bottle of ATF on my shelf and have not had an 
automatic for over 20 years - now I can use it!! Acetone in stock as well - 
used for cleaning up when using Polyester resin (fibre glass).

         A tip re. acetone - I also use it for thinning "Hammertone" paint 
- it makes it "hammer" much better than ordinary lacquer thinners.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Apr  9 06:54:48 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 06:54:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Web site scammer is at it again
In-Reply-To: <6CC4D16378904807BD49A651C7B41281@peterlowe>
References: <6CC4D16378904807BD49A651C7B41281@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <4307.165.206.180.130.1239285288.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Uh, where's his partner, Pinky?

Bill

> Hi all
> Beware those who own web sites, this scammer is at it again.
> The advert he is refering to is from my R&V web site.
> Never heard of a male whose name in Brain, bad spelling for Brian I would
> say.
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brain William
> To: plowe at exemail.com.au
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:53 PM
> Subject: Wanted: Any parts to complete the restoration of my R&V "SR"
> series 2hp Triumph Line engine. Badly need a dry head, piston, conrod,
> governor gears and small parts
>
>
>       Hello,
>
>       Am Brain William i live in 121 Old Kent road, SE1 5AA London,UK,I
> saw your wanted Ads .If still interested,please email me for further
> transaction.
>
>       Thanks,
>       Brain
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  9 07:29:23 2009
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:29:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
Message-ID: <740442.88827.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Where can you get Acetone?



?Ron Frost
??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
?
Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise

--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:


From: Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 9:11 AM


At 06:00 PM 08/04/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:28:18 -0400
>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
>
>A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info below.? Quite interesting.
>Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY? USA

Hi Tommy,
? ? ? ???Very interesting post - thanks for sending it.
? ? ? ???I've got an unopened bottle of ATF on my shelf and have not had an 
automatic for over 20 years - now I can use it!! Acetone in stock as well - 
used for cleaning up when using Polyester resin (fibre glass).

? ? ? ???A tip re. acetone - I also use it for thinning "Hammertone" paint 
- it makes it "hammer" much better than ordinary lacquer thinners.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>



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From langer5 at sympatico.ca  Thu Apr  9 08:28:49 2009
From: langer5 at sympatico.ca (Larry Anger)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:28:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
References: <740442.88827.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP916B2E315DE59FC086E90597830@phx.gbl>

In Canada you can get Acetone in hardware stores in the paint dept.

Larry Anger
163926 Brownsville Rd.
R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario
Canada N4G 4G8
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Frost" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating Oils


Where can you get Acetone?



Ron Frost
http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos

Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise

--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:


From: Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 9:11 AM


At 06:00 PM 08/04/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:28:18 -0400
>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
>
>A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info below. Quite interesting.
>Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY USA

Hi Tommy,
Very interesting post - thanks for sending it.
I've got an unopened bottle of ATF on my shelf and have not had an
automatic for over 20 years - now I can use it!! Acetone in stock as well -
used for cleaning up when using Polyester resin (fibre glass).

A tip re. acetone - I also use it for thinning "Hammertone" paint
- it makes it "hammer" much better than ordinary lacquer thinners.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>



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From james.kangas at timken.com  Thu Apr  9 13:13:21 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:13:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Web site scammer is at it again
References: <6CC4D16378904807BD49A651C7B41281@peterlowe>
	<4307.165.206.180.130.1239285288.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06032@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>

I wonder how Pinky and the Brain will take over the world using old engine parts?
   Jim K.

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of bill at antique-engines.com
Sent: Thu 4/9/2009 9:54 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Web site scammer is at it again



Uh, where's his partner, Pinky?

Bill

> Hi all
> Beware those who own web sites, this scammer is at it again.
> The advert he is refering to is from my R&V web site.
> Never heard of a male whose name in Brain, bad spelling for Brian I would
> say.
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brain William
> To: plowe at exemail.com.au
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:53 PM
> Subject: Wanted: Any parts to complete the restoration of my R&V "SR"
> series 2hp Triumph Line engine. Badly need a dry head, piston, conrod,
> governor gears and small parts
>
>
>       Hello,
>
>       Am Brain William i live in 121 Old Kent road, SE1 5AA London,UK,I
> saw your wanted Ads .If still interested,please email me for further
> transaction.
>
>       Thanks,
>       Brain
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Apr  9 13:16:54 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 22:16:54 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 61, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1239292802.1753.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090409220537.018c6e88@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 09/04/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:35:00 -0400
>From: John Neth <jneth3 at mac.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Penitrating oil
>
>Acetone is an organic solvent.  The primary ingredient in fingernail 
>polish remover.  It will dissolve super-glue.  It is very useful but be 
>careful.  Use glass or metal containers as it will dissolve many plastics, 
>paints etc.  Put a drop on a styrofoam cup and watch what happens....
>John
>John W. Neth III

Hi John,
          That's not a good comparison. Put a "drop" of gas or pretty much 
any "petro chemical" product "styrofoam" and the result will be the same. 
"Styrofoam" (expanded polystyrene - pst) is very unstable and pretty much 
any solvent will destroy it.
         One of it's uses is when casting concrete that needs a "cavity". 
The "cavity" is made by inserting a "styrofoam" block of the correct shape 
- once the concrete has dried all that needs to be done is to throw some 
petrol (gas) onto the styrene and it dissolves.
         Just my cents worth.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Apr  9 13:32:06 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 22:32:06 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1239292802.1753.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 09/04/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 9
>Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:47:46 -0400
>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Penitrating oil
>
>John,
>         Some plastics are OK.  My wife's fingernail polish remover is
>something like 90% acetone and it comes in a plastic bottle.  Not sure
>what type plastic is OK though to use.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY

Hi Tommy,
         Commercial "Nail Polish Remover" has oils and perfumes added to 
not damage your wifes beautiful skin and to allow for the manufacturers to 
increase the price by many 1000's of times.

         Much like the original post that you sent proves that, the price 
you pay bears no resemblance to the actual cost of most commercially 
packaged "Penetrating oils".

         I have "Acetone" in stock and it is not expensive - it's just 
another solvent. If I could figure out how to sell the stuff as a nail 
polish remover (without the advertising and packaging costs) I'd get rich 
very quickly.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Apr  9 13:39:43 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 22:39:43 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil/P.S>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090409223237.018da1e8@mail.atech.co.za>

P.S. To my original post - I buy Acetone in 25 Litre plastic drums and they 
are made of "High Density Polyethylene" but low density polyethylene or 
polypropylene drums would work just as well.  (P.V.C (polyvinylchloride) 
would not be good)!
Jerry
*************
Hi Tommy,
         Commercial "Nail Polish Remover" has oils and perfumes added to 
not damage your wifes beautiful skin and to allow for the manufacturers to 
increase the price by many 1000's of times.

         Much like the original post that you sent proves that, the price 
you pay bears no resemblance to the actual cost of most commercially 
packaged "Penetrating oils".

         I have "Acetone" in stock and it is not expensive - it's just 
another solvent. If I could figure out how to sell the stuff as a nail 
polish remover (without the advertising and packaging costs) I'd get rich 
very quickly.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From marinesurveys at msn.com  Thu Apr  9 13:44:01 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:44:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <mailman.1.1239292802.1753.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <COL106-W14B0B94F61B01EFD79104FB4830@phx.gbl>


For the Acetone mix, seems like one could try a Whiskey, Plastic bottle

{ Whiskey of choice of course, after you empty it} 

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 22:32:06 +0200
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> From: jerrye at databak.co.za
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Penitrating oil
> 
> At 06:00 PM 09/04/2009, you wrote:
> >Message: 9
> >Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:47:46 -0400
> >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Penitrating oil
> >
> >John,
> > Some plastics are OK. My wife's fingernail polish remover is
> >something like 90% acetone and it comes in a plastic bottle. Not sure
> >what type plastic is OK though to use.
> >
> >Tommy Turner
> >Magnolia, KY
> 
> Hi Tommy,
> Commercial "Nail Polish Remover" has oils and perfumes added to 
> not damage your wifes beautiful skin and to allow for the manufacturers to 
> increase the price by many 1000's of times.
> 
> Much like the original post that you sent proves that, the price 
> you pay bears no resemblance to the actual cost of most commercially 
> packaged "Penetrating oils".
> 
> I have "Acetone" in stock and it is not expensive - it's just 
> another solvent. If I could figure out how to sell the stuff as a nail 
> polish remover (without the advertising and packaging costs) I'd get rich 
> very quickly.
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
> 
> 
> 
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Apr  9 15:21:58 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 18:21:58 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Portland in August
Message-ID: <bed.3b08eb3d.370fcf06@aol.com>

I agree with Luke, Stay on the Canadian side.  Motels up on the  hill.  Ask 
to look at the rooms before you rent.  Motel we stayed in  had panoramic 
windows overlooking both Canadian and American falls. Colored  night lights are 
beautiful.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

**************New Deals on Dell Netbooks ? Now starting at $299 (A 
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From sumron at optusnet.com.au  Thu Apr  9 16:02:13 2009
From: sumron at optusnet.com.au (John & Norma Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:02:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Inter "M"  10hp fuel tank
Message-ID: <C70F2D079DC84A8F9B3C194EC5A81767@gilbert0cd4c7f>

Hi all there on the List,  I am after the dimensions of the 10hp Inter "M" fuel tank.  I believe they are a bit different to the  smaller models of which I do have  old originals. The owner , restorer of the engine in question does not have an old tank at all for me to copy. If you live in Oz and have an old tank you no longer use a loan of it would be appreciated.  cheers ,  John Gilbert in oz  




John Gilbert
RSD Block 69 River Ave
Merbein, Vic 3505  
Australia
http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x279/john_the_tankman/
ph 03-50253372
Willow Norma: http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss194/willownorma/Showcase/

From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Apr  9 17:14:04 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:14:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <mailman.1.1239292802.1753.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <20090410001405.D60083E4734@mail05.wcoil.com>

Since acetone is so harsh on paint and we would not want to use the 
ATF-Acetone combination on an engine with original paint we may be 
trying to preserve,  I wonder if we substituted Naptha or lighter 
fluid for the Acetone if that would affect the penetrating rust 
breaking characteristics. It would still thin it down. The ATF would 
still have its natural tendencies to creep.  And the Naptha would 
eventually evaporate for the most part like the acetone, just not as 
quickly. And leave most paints largely unmolested.    Mark


Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site   www.Maytagclub.com 



From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Thu Apr  9 17:56:38 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 20:56:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
References: <466577.92689.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<28134896-946D-4025-9E18-4450287D81C2@me.com>
Message-ID: <010201c9b977$343b2d30$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

Dave,

Save a spot for me in the SEL area on Thursday at least.  I plan to bring 
out a couple of piston rings from the Weirton blooming mill engine for 
display.  One is 43" and the other is 66" dia. I'm building a stand for them 
now.  When your piston rings are bigger than most people's flywheels you 
have some serious iron!

I've also finally written a book about the history and preservation of the 
Tod Engine and I'll have a bunch of copies with me to sell.  Its about 100 
pages and is full of photos of the dismantling, moving and reassembly of the 
engine.  Anyone not going to Coolspring and wishing to purchase a copy 
online can get one at www.todengine.org/todbook

I can also pick up the babbit then as well.

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Foundation
"Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-272-4089
www.todengine.org

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)


> June 18, 19 and 20 and Oct 15, 16 and 17.
> Dave
> On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Ron Frost wrote:
>
>> Morning,
>> What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
>> Thanks
>>  Ron Frost
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From gastzt at aol.com  Thu Apr  9 17:57:15 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 20:57:15 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil
Message-ID: <cb7.4d745166.370ff36b@aol.com>

Hello Mark
 Stan here, Pleasanton, Texas----I did use your method a  couple of 
times---last time on a Model-A Ford engine---was stuck BAD,  I  let it soak for a 
week andWOW it worked very good---GOOD advice--(also it worked  great on a 
8HP Stover piston)
  Stan Zettner
  Pleasanton, Texas
**************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store?  Make dinner for $10 
or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)


From kimmell at verizon.net  Fri Apr 10 17:12:39 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:12:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <20090410001405.D60083E4734@mail05.wcoil.com>
References: <mailman.1.1239292802.1753.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za>
	<20090410001405.D60083E4734@mail05.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <0KHW009MCTXC7FB3@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net>

Mark,
I think naphtha would probably eat the paint too.  I think lighter 
fluid or kerosene would be a good alternative.

I've used ATF and diesel fuel as a penetrant before.  Had an old 
two-stroke Detroit Diesel that had been sitting for years with the 
piston ports uncovered and it froze up tight.  I filled the cylinders 
with the diesel ATF mix and let it sit for about a week.  Put a big 
breaker bar on the crank and she popped loose with a little effort.

-Tony



At 07:14 PM 4/9/2009, you wrote:
>Since acetone is so harsh on paint and we would not want to use the
>ATF-Acetone combination on an engine with original paint we may be
>trying to preserve,  I wonder if we substituted Naptha or lighter
>fluid for the Acetone if that would affect the penetrating rust
>breaking characteristics. It would still thin it down. The ATF would
>still have its natural tendencies to creep.  And the Naptha would
>eventually evaporate for the most part like the acetone, just not as
>quickly. And leave most paints largely unmolested.    Mark




From rotigel at me.com  Fri Apr 10 19:21:07 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:21:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  Show date (Coolspring)
In-Reply-To: <010201c9b977$343b2d30$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <466577.92689.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<28134896-946D-4025-9E18-4450287D81C2@me.com>
	<010201c9b977$343b2d30$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <A8510192-F10A-4595-BC56-D36BA0E063E3@me.com>

>   When your piston rings are bigger than most people's flywheels you
> have some serious iron!
> Rick Rowlands

While that is true, it's also true that most peoples engines run!
	Dave
PS, Your spot is saved!  See you there. 


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 10 19:52:00 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:52:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
Message-ID: <588125.6028.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks,
This would be a great year to try out the Buckley, MI show.
?
http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/
?
Buckley August 13 - 16.
Baraboo August 21 - 23
Portland August 26 - 30

From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Apr 10 20:40:05 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:40:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <0KHW009MCTXC7FB3@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <mailman.1.1239292802.1753.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za>
	<20090410001405.D60083E4734@mail05.wcoil.com>
	<0KHW009MCTXC7FB3@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20090411034003.E7AA03A837E@mail03.wcoil.com>

I do not think Naptha will eat the paint. Its used widely in the 
music industry for cleaning the grime off of guitars and other 
instruments because it will not damage the finish.  Widely used in 
the photography circles too for cleaning camera parts. Sold also as 
Goo Be Gone.
Naptha and lighter fluid is one and the same. Slightly different 
grades or volatilities of Naptha is available to suit whoever is 
packaging it to sell for lighter fluid. Ronson and Zippo and most 
generic Lighter fluid is 100% Naptha.  Same as with Varsol, there are 
different grades that evaporate faster or slower depending on the 
desired application.
  I agree diesel fuel might be another good ingrediant to mix 50-50 
with the ATF.  But the naptha will not have the strong odor like diesel.
Just be carefull using indoors due to fume build up potential and its 
volatility.   Mark

At 08:12 PM 4/10/2009, you wrote:
>Mark,
>I think naphtha would probably eat the paint too.  I think lighter
>fluid or kerosene would be a good alternative.
>
>I've used ATF and diesel fuel as a penetrant before.  Had an old
>two-stroke Detroit Diesel that had been sitting for years with the
>piston ports uncovered and it froze up tight.  I filled the cylinders
>with the diesel ATF mix and let it sit for about a week.  Put a big
>breaker bar on the crank and she popped loose with a little effort.
>
>-Tony
>
>
>
>At 07:14 PM 4/9/2009, you wrote:
> >Since acetone is so harsh on paint and we would not want to use the
> >ATF-Acetone combination on an engine with original paint we may be
> >trying to preserve,  I wonder if we substituted Naptha or lighter
> >fluid for the Acetone if that would affect the penetrating rust
> >breaking characteristics. It would still thin it down. The ATF would
> >still have its natural tendencies to creep.  And the Naptha would
> >eventually evaporate for the most part like the acetone, just not as
> >quickly. And leave most paints largely unmolested.    Mark
>
>
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>04/10/09 06:39:00

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454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site   www.Maytagclub.com 



From marinesurveys at msn.com  Sat Apr 11 04:47:15 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:47:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] South Carolina Antique Engine & Tractor Show
In-Reply-To: <588125.6028.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <588125.6028.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W670F157C79D7BBF52A9DC0B4810@phx.gbl>


Greetings all

 

For those that may be interested & close enough to go, the 

Low Country Tractor and Engine Assoc. is holding their 8th annual

event next week end April 18th , 30 miles south of Charleston SC

The web site provides additional details @  http://lcatea.org/default.aspx

 

or feel free to contact me for further details, it has a lot of members

that are close friends & I will be there, the weather promises to be good.

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 




From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sat Apr 11 06:45:11 2009
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:45:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
References: <588125.6028.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003301c9baab$bca31c70$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Thx. Alan for promoting the Buckley Show.  George F. Armstrong
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:52 PM
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?


> Hi Folks,
> This would be a great year to try out the Buckley, MI show.
> 
> http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/
> 
> Buckley August 13 - 16.
> Baraboo August 21 - 23
> Portland August 26 - 30
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
>




From kimmell at verizon.net  Sat Apr 11 11:55:34 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:55:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <20090411034003.E7AA03A837E@mail03.wcoil.com>
References: <mailman.1.1239292802.1753.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za>
	<20090410001405.D60083E4734@mail05.wcoil.com>
	<0KHW009MCTXC7FB3@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net>
	<20090411034003.E7AA03A837E@mail03.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <0KHY003CZ9WVB16V@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>

I guess I'm thinking about something else.  When someone says 
"naptha" I immediately think of Coleman fuel.  Guess white gas and 
naptha are two different things.

-Tony


At 10:40 PM 4/10/2009, you wrote:
>I do not think Naptha will eat the paint. Its used widely in the
>music industry for cleaning the grime off of guitars and other
>instruments because it will not damage the finish.  Widely used in
>the photography circles too for cleaning camera parts. Sold also as
>Goo Be Gone.
>Naptha and lighter fluid is one and the same. Slightly different
>grades or volatilities of Naptha is available to suit whoever is
>packaging it to sell for lighter fluid. Ronson and Zippo and most
>generic Lighter fluid is 100% Naptha.  Same as with Varsol, there are
>different grades that evaporate faster or slower depending on the
>desired application.
>   I agree diesel fuel might be another good ingrediant to mix 50-50
>with the ATF.  But the naptha will not have the strong odor like diesel.
>Just be carefull using indoors due to fume build up potential and its
>volatility.   Mark




From skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com  Sat Apr 11 12:14:47 2009
From: skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com (SKIP CLEVELAND)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:14:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
References: <mailman.1.1239292802.1753.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com><5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za><20090410001405.D60083E4734@mail05.wcoil.com><0KHW009MCTXC7FB3@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net><20090411034003.E7AA03A837E@mail03.wcoil.com>
	<0KHY003CZ9WVB16V@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <9554675C8BFE4F55A2CDAE66FEE25949@YOURDA6F5028CB>

The can picture got there by accident.
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony & Jackie" <kimmell at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating oil


>I guess I'm thinking about something else.  When someone says 
> "naptha" I immediately think of Coleman fuel.  Guess white gas and 
> naptha are two different things.
> 
> -Tony
> 
> 
> At 10:40 PM 4/10/2009, you wrote:
>>I do not think Naptha will eat the paint. Its used widely in the
>>music industry for cleaning the grime off of guitars and other
>>instruments because it will not damage the finish.  Widely used in
>>the photography circles too for cleaning camera parts. Sold also as
>>Goo Be Gone.
>>Naptha and lighter fluid is one and the same. Slightly different
>>grades or volatilities of Naptha is available to suit whoever is
>>packaging it to sell for lighter fluid. Ronson and Zippo and most
>>generic Lighter fluid is 100% Naptha.  Same as with Varsol, there are
>>different grades that evaporate faster or slower depending on the
>>desired application.
>>   I agree diesel fuel might be another good ingrediant to mix 50-50
>>with the ATF.  But the naptha will not have the strong odor like diesel.
>>Just be carefull using indoors due to fume build up potential and its
>>volatility.   Mark
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From frappi at wcoil.com  Sat Apr 11 12:23:01 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:23:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <0KHY003CZ9WVB16V@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <mailman.1.1239292802.1753.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za>
	<20090410001405.D60083E4734@mail05.wcoil.com>
	<0KHW009MCTXC7FB3@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net>
	<20090411034003.E7AA03A837E@mail03.wcoil.com>
	<0KHY003CZ9WVB16V@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20090411192259.3CB231475C2@mail01.wcoil.com>

Yes they are different but not so much that you can't use Coleman 
fuel for lighter fluid in a pinch.      Mark


At 02:55 PM 4/11/2009, you wrote:
>I guess I'm thinking about something else.  When someone says
>"naptha" I immediately think of Coleman fuel.  Guess white gas and
>naptha are two different things.
>
>-Tony
>
>
>At 10:40 PM 4/10/2009, you wrote:
> >I do not think Naptha will eat the paint. Its used widely in the
> >music industry for cleaning the grime off of guitars and other
> >instruments because it will not damage the finish.  Widely used in
> >the photography circles too for cleaning camera parts. Sold also as
> >Goo Be Gone.
> >Naptha and lighter fluid is one and the same. Slightly different
> >grades or volatilities of Naptha is available to suit whoever is
> >packaging it to sell for lighter fluid. Ronson and Zippo and most
> >generic Lighter fluid is 100% Naptha.  Same as with Varsol, there are
> >different grades that evaporate faster or slower depending on the
> >desired application.
> >   I agree diesel fuel might be another good ingrediant to mix 50-50
> >with the ATF.  But the naptha will not have the strong odor like diesel.
> >Just be carefull using indoors due to fume build up potential and its
> >volatility.   Mark
>
>
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454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site   www.Maytagclub.com 



From rotigel at me.com  Sat Apr 11 13:56:03 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:56:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <588125.6028.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <588125.6028.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DA4EE2D3-9338-4464-B0C1-BD9011108068@me.com>

Hey Arnie, ROAD TRIP????????
	Dave

On Apr 10, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Alan wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> This would be a great year to try out the Buckley, MI show.
>
> http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/
>
> Buckley August 13 - 16.
> Baraboo August 21 - 23
> Portland August 26 - 30
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 11 13:48:02 2009
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:48:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
Message-ID: <76011.42647.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I bought a can of Asetone and a quart of ATF fluid and mixed up a little about 50/50. Took an old rusted 1/2 bolt and nut I had handy and run the nut on to the bolt about half the thickness of the nut. Then clamped it on a vice with the nut up. Then poured enough of the nixture unto the recess? till it was full. After a couple minutes I noticed a small eddy on top of the liquid and it seemed to continue until the mixture had worked it way down thru the threads. There must have been some sort of chemical reaction to cause the turbulance. 



?Ron Frost
??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
?
Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise

--- On Sat, 4/11/09, Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:


From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating oil
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 3:23 PM


Yes they are different but not so much that you can't use Coleman 
fuel for lighter fluid in a pinch.? ? ? Mark


At 02:55 PM 4/11/2009, you wrote:
>I guess I'm thinking about something else.? When someone says
>"naptha" I immediately think of Coleman fuel.? Guess white gas and
>naptha are two different things.
>
>-Tony
>
>
>At 10:40 PM 4/10/2009, you wrote:
> >I do not think Naptha will eat the paint. Its used widely in the
> >music industry for cleaning the grime off of guitars and other
> >instruments because it will not damage the finish.? Widely used in
> >the photography circles too for cleaning camera parts. Sold also as
> >Goo Be Gone.
> >Naptha and lighter fluid is one and the same. Slightly different
> >grades or volatilities of Naptha is available to suit whoever is
> >packaging it to sell for lighter fluid. Ronson and Zippo and most
> >generic Lighter fluid is 100% Naptha.? Same as with Varsol, there are
> >different grades that evaporate faster or slower depending on the
> >desired application.
> >???I agree diesel fuel might be another good ingrediant to mix 50-50
> >with the ATF.? But the naptha will not have the strong odor like diesel.
> >Just be carefull using indoors due to fume build up potential and its
> >volatility.???Mark
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Apr 11 14:12:18 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:12:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <DA4EE2D3-9338-4464-B0C1-BD9011108068@me.com>
References: <588125.6028.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<DA4EE2D3-9338-4464-B0C1-BD9011108068@me.com>
Message-ID: <dbe6bfe336c69e4b9ca219611a73e8d8.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Dave,

I was thinking the same thing.  I gotta check my vacation schedule.

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, April 11, 2009 4:56 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
> Hey Arnie, ROAD TRIP????????
> 	Dave
>
> On Apr 10, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>> This would be a great year to try out the Buckley, MI show.
>>
>> http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/
>>
>> Buckley August 13 - 16.
>> Baraboo August 21 - 23
>> Portland August 26 - 30





From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sat Apr 11 17:42:43 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:42:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <76011.42647.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090412004244.4B628444883@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Mark, maybe ,you might think about setting the solution OUTSIDE! I'm not
sure about the original thread, but I don't remember anything about mixing
up a batch of the stuff.. Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 1:48 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating oil

I bought a can of Asetone and a quart of ATF fluid and mixed up a little
about 50/50. Took an old rusted 1/2 bolt and nut I had handy and run the nut
on to the bolt about half the thickness of the nut. Then clamped it on a
vice with the nut up. Then poured enough of the nixture unto the recess?
till it was full. After a couple minutes I noticed a small eddy on top of
the liquid and it seemed to continue until the mixture had worked it way
down thru the threads. There must have been some sort of chemical reaction
to cause the turbulance. 



?Ron Frost
??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
?
Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise

--- On Sat, 4/11/09, Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:


From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating oil
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 3:23 PM


Yes they are different but not so much that you can't use Coleman 
fuel for lighter fluid in a pinch.? ? ? Mark


At 02:55 PM 4/11/2009, you wrote:
>I guess I'm thinking about something else.? When someone says
>"naptha" I immediately think of Coleman fuel.? Guess white gas and
>naptha are two different things.
>
>-Tony
>
>
>At 10:40 PM 4/10/2009, you wrote:
> >I do not think Naptha will eat the paint. Its used widely in the
> >music industry for cleaning the grime off of guitars and other
> >instruments because it will not damage the finish.? Widely used in
> >the photography circles too for cleaning camera parts. Sold also as
> >Goo Be Gone.
> >Naptha and lighter fluid is one and the same. Slightly different
> >grades or volatilities of Naptha is available to suit whoever is
> >packaging it to sell for lighter fluid. Ronson and Zippo and most
> >generic Lighter fluid is 100% Naptha.? Same as with Varsol, there are
> >different grades that evaporate faster or slower depending on the
> >desired application.
> >???I agree diesel fuel might be another good ingrediant to mix 50-50
> >with the ATF.? But the naptha will not have the strong odor like diesel.
> >Just be carefull using indoors due to fume build up potential and its
> >volatility.???Mark
>
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 11 19:18:25 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:18:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
Message-ID: <283474.80209.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It is a long drive either way around lake Michigan.
You just might want to consider this boat ride.
http://www.ssbadger.com/home.aspx
?
Alan

--- On Sat, 4/11/09, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:


From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 5:12 PM


Hi Dave,

I was thinking the same thing.? I gotta check my vacation schedule.

See ya,? Arnie

On Sat, April 11, 2009 4:56 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
> Hey Arnie, ROAD TRIP????????
> ??? Dave
>
> On Apr 10, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>> This would be a great year to try out the Buckley, MI show.
>>
>> http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/
>>
>> Buckley August 13 - 16.
>> Baraboo August 21 - 23
>> Portland August 26 - 30



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From rotigel at me.com  Sat Apr 11 20:27:21 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:27:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <283474.80209.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <283474.80209.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E3A70D86-A68F-4980-9EEB-3D37C15C5D80@me.com>

Thanks Alan, but if Mapquest is correct it's only ~490 miles (8 hours,  
7 minutes) from Buckley to Baraboo via Chicago. It would be a ~214  
mile drive from Buckley to Baraboo if we used the ferry. Looks about a  
toss-up to me. Arnie and I really consider anything under ~700 miles a  
"local" show!
	Dave
PS, The REAL problem here is the "vacation schedule"--Arnie gets a  
vacation and I don't!

On Apr 11, 2009, at 10:18 PM, Alan wrote:

> It is a long drive either way around lake Michigan.
> You just might want to consider this boat ride.
> http://www.ssbadger.com/home.aspx
>
> Alan
>
> --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 5:12 PM
>
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> I was thinking the same thing.  I gotta check my vacation schedule.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Sat, April 11, 2009 4:56 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
>> Hey Arnie, ROAD TRIP????????
>>     Dave
>>
>> On Apr 10, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Alan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>> This would be a great year to try out the Buckley, MI show.
>>>
>>> http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/
>>>
>>> Buckley August 13 - 16.
>>> Baraboo August 21 - 23
>>> Portland August 26 - 30


From kimmell at verizon.net  Sat Apr 11 20:40:28 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 22:40:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <20090411192259.3CB231475C2@mail01.wcoil.com>
References: <mailman.1.1239292802.1753.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za>
	<20090410001405.D60083E4734@mail05.wcoil.com>
	<0KHW009MCTXC7FB3@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net>
	<20090411034003.E7AA03A837E@mail03.wcoil.com>
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	<20090411192259.3CB231475C2@mail01.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <0KHY009ZVY7PWWD6@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>

At 02:23 PM 4/11/2009, you wrote:
>Yes they are different but not so much that you can't use Coleman
>fuel for lighter fluid in a pinch.      Mark


Yes I remember dad using Coleman fuel to start the grill when he ran 
out of lighter fluid.  Have to stand back pretty far when you throw 
that match.  He used to catch hell from mom whenever he did it.  haha.

-Tony



From frappi at wcoil.com  Sat Apr 11 21:47:16 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:47:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <0KHY009ZVY7PWWD6@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <mailman.1.1239292802.1753.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za>
	<20090410001405.D60083E4734@mail05.wcoil.com>
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Ouch now thats dangerous, I ment Coleman as a Cigerette Light Fluid 
emergency substitution.  I bet the whosh was impressive at times, 
especially on warm days.  Mark


At 11:40 PM 4/11/2009, you wrote:
>At 02:23 PM 4/11/2009, you wrote:
> >Yes they are different but not so much that you can't use Coleman
> >fuel for lighter fluid in a pinch.      Mark
>
>
>Yes I remember dad using Coleman fuel to start the grill when he ran
>out of lighter fluid.  Have to stand back pretty far when you throw
>that match.  He used to catch hell from mom whenever he did it.  haha.
>
>-Tony
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 12 05:25:19 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 05:25:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
Message-ID: <966519.42669.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I see what you mean, Dave.
I used Google maps.
It must be a slow ferry.
With the ferry it is 266?mi ? about 8 hours 4 mins
Without the ferry it is 485?mi ? about 8 hours 17 mins
?
It only takes 13 more minutes to drive around the lake.
It would only cost me $30 with my truck to drive the extra 220 miles.
That would be a lot better than saving the 220 miles and paying $77.
?
Right, Dave you just have the 365 days per year vacation.
?
Alan

--- On Sat, 4/11/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 11:27 PM


Thanks Alan, but if Mapquest is correct it's only ~490 miles (8 hours,? 
7 minutes) from Buckley to Baraboo via Chicago. It would be a ~214? 
mile drive from Buckley to Baraboo if we used the ferry. Looks about a? 
toss-up to me. Arnie and I really consider anything under ~700 miles a? 
"local" show!
??? Dave
PS, The REAL problem here is the "vacation schedule"--Arnie gets a? 
vacation and I don't!

On Apr 11, 2009, at 10:18 PM, Alan wrote:

> It is a long drive either way around lake Michigan.
> You just might want to consider this boat ride.
> http://www.ssbadger.com/home.aspx
>
> Alan
>
> --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 5:12 PM
>
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> I was thinking the same thing.? I gotta check my vacation schedule.
>
> See ya,? Arnie
>
> On Sat, April 11, 2009 4:56 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
>> Hey Arnie, ROAD TRIP????????
>>? ???Dave
>>
>> On Apr 10, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Alan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>> This would be a great year to try out the Buckley, MI show.
>>>
>>> http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/
>>>
>>> Buckley August 13 - 16.
>>> Baraboo August 21 - 23
>>> Portland August 26 - 30
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Apr 12 06:33:55 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:33:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <20090412044715.F12EE3E436C@mail05.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEDLIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Mark:

When I was a kid, I remember reading the label on a can of Ronson lighter fluid.  It said, "Contains Petroleum Naptha".

I wouldn't have any problem putting Coleman fuel in my zippo........that is, if I still smoked and carried it.

I wouldn't use naptha as a charcoal starting fluid.  Too volatile and burns too fast to really work well.  Also, using it that way, you could make a flaming ash out of yourself.   :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Mark Shulaw
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:47 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating oil
> 
> 
> Ouch now thats dangerous, I ment Coleman as a 
> Cigerette Light Fluid 
> emergency substitution.  I bet the whosh was 
> impressive at times, 
> especially on warm days.  Mark




From marinesurveys at msn.com  Sun Apr 12 05:56:50 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:56:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEDLIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <20090412044715.F12EE3E436C@mail05.wcoil.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEDLIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W6648FD6EDA2A28F2942781B47E0@phx.gbl>


Penetrating oil, { ATF MIX }

I think probably kerosene would also work as well , { My $.25 on the thread }

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: edurand at mchsi.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:33:55 -0500
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating oil
> 
> Mark:
> 
> When I was a kid, I remember reading the label on a can of Ronson lighter fluid. It said, "Contains Petroleum Naptha".
> 
> I wouldn't have any problem putting Coleman fuel in my zippo........that is, if I still smoked and carried it.
> 
> I wouldn't use naptha as a charcoal starting fluid. Too volatile and burns too fast to really work well. Also, using it that way, you could make a flaming ash out of yourself. :-)
> 
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> > Behalf Of Mark Shulaw
> > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:47 PM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating oil
> > 
> > 
> > Ouch now thats dangerous, I ment Coleman as a 
> > Cigerette Light Fluid 
> > emergency substitution. I bet the whosh was 
> > impressive at times, 
> > especially on warm days. Mark
> 
> 
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Apr 12 07:19:40 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 09:19:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEDLIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <20090412044715.F12EE3E436C@mail05.wcoil.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEDLIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <0KHZ00EXIRT1EI7Q@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>

At 08:33 AM 4/12/2009, you wrote:
>I wouldn't use naptha as a charcoal starting fluid.  Too volatile 
>and burns too fast to really work well.  Also, using it that way, 
>you could make a flaming ash out of yourself.


Hah, yeah this was years ago back in the late 80's.  As I remember, 
it did start the charcoal very well since it burns so hot.  Didn't 
leave a bad taste like the cheap lighter fluid, either!  Dad would 
stand about 6 feet away when he threw that kitchen match and 
WOOSH!  Maybe this is the reason I became such a pyro... :-)

-Tony




From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Apr 12 07:40:15 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 10:40:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <0KHZ00EXIRT1EI7Q@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <20090412044715.F12EE3E436C@mail05.wcoil.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEDLIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<0KHZ00EXIRT1EI7Q@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20090412144012.5078933C0381@mail06.wcoil.com>

Why is it the dangerous stuff is so much fun, GRINNN.
YEARS Ago in the late 80s?    You must be a young pup. The 80s was 
just yesterday!  Happy Easter!  Mark


At 10:19 AM 4/12/2009, you wrote:
>At 08:33 AM 4/12/2009, you wrote:
> >I wouldn't use naptha as a charcoal starting fluid.  Too volatile
> >and burns too fast to really work well.  Also, using it that way,
> >you could make a flaming ash out of yourself.
>
>
>Hah, yeah this was years ago back in the late 80's.  As I remember,
>it did start the charcoal very well since it burns so hot.  Didn't
>leave a bad taste like the cheap lighter fluid, either!  Dad would
>stand about 6 feet away when he threw that kitchen match and
>WOOSH!  Maybe this is the reason I became such a pyro... :-)
>
>-Tony
>
>
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>04/11/09 10:51:00

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454 Co. Rd. 33
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Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site   www.Maytagclub.com 



From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Apr 12 09:03:15 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 11:03:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <20090412144012.5078933C0381@mail06.wcoil.com>
References: <20090412044715.F12EE3E436C@mail05.wcoil.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEDLIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<0KHZ00EXIRT1EI7Q@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
	<20090412144012.5078933C0381@mail06.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <0KHZ00KKJWLPYKXH@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>

Yup, I was born in '83 so the 80's seem like a LONG time ago.  Dad 
died in '93 when I was only 10 so I guess I grew up alot faster than 
most people...

My 4 year old daughter still thinks I'm ancient though ;-)

-Tony


At 09:40 AM 4/12/2009, you wrote:
>Why is it the dangerous stuff is so much fun, GRINNN.
>YEARS Ago in the late 80s?    You must be a young pup. The 80s was
>just yesterday!  Happy Easter!  Mark




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Apr 12 09:41:25 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:41:25 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
References: <20090412044715.F12EE3E436C@mail05.wcoil.com><OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEDLIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
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Message-ID: <003b01c9bb8d$8637da80$3a290556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony & Jackie" <kimmell at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating oil


> At 08:33 AM 4/12/2009, you wrote:
>>I wouldn't use naptha as a charcoal starting fluid.  Too volatile 
>>and burns too fast to really work well.  Also, using it that way, 
>>you could make a flaming ash out of yourself.
> 
> Hah, yeah this was years ago back in the late 80's.  As I remember, 
> it did start the charcoal very well since it burns so hot.  Didn't 
> leave a bad taste like the cheap lighter fluid, either!  Dad would 
> stand about 6 feet away when he threw that kitchen match and 
> WOOSH!  Maybe this is the reason I became such a pyro... :-)
> -Tony

Hi Tony, your tale takes me back 60 years ago when my mum & dad 
brought me home from watching a movie.
The fire had gone out so dad went to the shed to get some Paraffin (Kerosene)
to put on the coals to re-light the fire.
He picked up a can of Petrol (Gasoline) by mistake which vaporised.
When he struck a match we had a fireball & we ended up with a dad with 
no hair at the front or eyebrows & a cat that was bald on one side.

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Apr 12 10:07:25 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:07:25 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hot Rods
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090412185009.00bfe7d8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys & Gals,
         Although "Off Topic" these machines all have magnificent engines.
         Yesterday I attended the 2009 South African National Street Rod 
Championships and thought that some of you may enjoy the pics.
         BE WARNED: I've made the pics bigger than usual to be able to see 
some detail. They're all 1200 pixels wide and sizes range from 86 Kbytes to 
241 Kbytes. Apologies to the guys with very slow connections.
         Here is the page for anyone interested:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/hotrod/index.htm>

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From rotigel at me.com  Sun Apr 12 10:51:04 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:51:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <966519.42669.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <966519.42669.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4FA3047D-90F6-49A4-A19C-3C6B180B0DF6@me.com>

Other considerations as well, Alan.
	1.) The ferry leaves early morning (8:00 am)--that means a night in a  
motel after leaving Baraboo.
	2.) The $77.00 seems to be for a car. I would have a truck plus an  
18' trailer with aprox 10,000 lbs GVW.
	3.) I think, also, it would be another $71.00 for me (the $77 is only  
for a car.)
	4.) They also offer "Girlfriend Getaways." I would HATE to book on a  
"Fudgepacker Friday" special!
		Dave
PS, I'll still call tomorrow and check it out! THANKS!

On Apr 12, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Alan wrote:

> I see what you mean, Dave.
> I used Google maps.
> It must be a slow ferry.
> With the ferry it is 266 mi ? about 8 hours 4 mins
> Without the ferry it is 485 mi ? about 8 hours 17 mins
>
> It only takes 13 more minutes to drive around the lake.
> It would only cost me $30 with my truck to drive the extra 220 miles.
> That would be a lot better than saving the 220 miles and paying $77.
>
> Right, Dave you just have the 365 days per year vacation.
>
> Alan
>
> --- On Sat, 4/11/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 11:27 PM
>
>
> Thanks Alan, but if Mapquest is correct it's only ~490 miles (8 hours,
> 7 minutes) from Buckley to Baraboo via Chicago. It would be a ~214
> mile drive from Buckley to Baraboo if we used the ferry. Looks about a
> toss-up to me. Arnie and I really consider anything under ~700 miles a
> "local" show!
>     Dave
> PS, The REAL problem here is the "vacation schedule"--Arnie gets a
> vacation and I don't!
>
> On Apr 11, 2009, at 10:18 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>> It is a long drive either way around lake Michigan.
>> You just might want to consider this boat ride.
>> http://www.ssbadger.com/home.aspx
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 5:12 PM
>>
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> I was thinking the same thing.  I gotta check my vacation schedule.
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> On Sat, April 11, 2009 4:56 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
>>> Hey Arnie, ROAD TRIP????????
>>>      Dave
>>>
>>> On Apr 10, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>> This would be a great year to try out the Buckley, MI show.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/
>>>>
>>>> Buckley August 13 - 16.
>>>> Baraboo August 21 - 23
>>>> Portland August 26 - 30
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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Apr 12 10:59:02 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:59:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hot Rods
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090412185009.00bfe7d8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090412185009.00bfe7d8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <7F7C6512-E46B-448C-98CA-0BAFE62ECB87@me.com>

WOW!! Thanks Jerry--and it took less that 17 minutes to fully load! Is  
this simply a white man's hobby in SA? I see only one car that's owned  
by a person of colo(u)r--jpg 91.
	Dave

On Apr 12, 2009, at 1:07 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:

> Hi Guys & Gals,
>         Although "Off Topic" these machines all have magnificent  
> engines.
>         Yesterday I attended the 2009 South African National Street  
> Rod
> Championships and thought that some of you may enjoy the pics.
>         BE WARNED: I've made the pics bigger than usual to be able  
> to see
> some detail. They're all 1200 pixels wide and sizes range from 86  
> Kbytes to
> 241 Kbytes. Apologies to the guys with very slow connections.
>         Here is the page for anyone interested:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/hotrod/index.htm>
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Apr 13 01:25:58 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:25:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT Font style wanted
Message-ID: <4AF98E9692384396BED7B4E9B69232E8@peterlowe>

Hi all
Does anyone have the Font Style "Fine Hand" that they could sent to me for free ??

Regards
Peter, Oz



From marinesurveys at msn.com  Mon Apr 13 02:22:20 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 05:22:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
In-Reply-To: <4AF98E9692384396BED7B4E9B69232E8@peterlowe>
References: <4AF98E9692384396BED7B4E9B69232E8@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <COL106-W542669F9AAAE19115088F5B47F0@phx.gbl>


Hi all;
 
For those of you that may have interest, there is a book on E-Bay that looks
interesting, called, Farm Motors: Practical Hints for Handy-men, this looks 
pretty interesting  & seems to cover hit & miss & a lot of other early stuff.
The E-Bay item is 300303059028.
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470




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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 13 02:56:58 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 02:56:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
Message-ID: <466846.39175.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It is $6.27 on EBay but I just went to Amazon and bought it from what appears to be the same seller for $4.83.
Alan in Michigan

--- On Mon, 4/13/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:


From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 5:22 AM



Hi all;

For those of you that may have interest, there is a book on E-Bay that looks
interesting, called, Farm Motors: Practical Hints for Handy-men, this looks 
pretty interesting? & seems to cover hit & miss & a lot of other early stuff.
The E-Bay item is 300303059028.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm

? ? ? ? Franklin S. Skinner 
? ? Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
? ? ???34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470




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From sumron at optusnet.com.au  Mon Apr 13 03:00:41 2009
From: sumron at optusnet.com.au (John & Norma Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:00:41 +1000
Subject: [SEL] IHC "M" Tank
Message-ID: <CE7C9FF092084CCAB73CA147BD2D1404@gilbert0cd4c7f>

Come on you guys, 
surely one of you out there has an old 10hp M tank that you can at least give me the dimensions of so I can make one for a fellow restorer, 
Come on,  make his day, get those measurements to me.

thanks in anticipation
John in Oz, 


John and  Norma Gilbert
RSD Block 69 River Ave
Merbein, Vic 3505  
Australia
http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x279/john_the_tankman/
ph 03-50253372
Willow Norma: http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss194/willownorma/Showcase/

From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Apr 13 03:15:25 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:15:25 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
References: <4AF98E9692384396BED7B4E9B69232E8@peterlowe>
	<COL106-W542669F9AAAE19115088F5B47F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002a01c9bc20$c49d5370$3a290556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "frank skinner" <marinesurveys at msn.com>
To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:22 AM
Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff


> Hi all;
> For those of you that may have interest, there is a book on E-Bay that looks
> interesting, called, Farm Motors: Practical Hints for Handy-men, this looks 
> pretty interesting  & seems to cover hit & miss & a lot of other early stuff.
> The E-Bay item is 300303059028.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm
>        Franklin S. Skinner 

If the price goes high or you don't want to deal with E Bay, Google takes
you to many firms selling the same book at low prices.
See http://www.amazon.com/Farm-Motors-Practical-Hints-Handy-men/dp/1585740071
One mentions that it is a re-print in 2000 of the 1908 origional.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Apr 13 03:28:42 2009
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 06:28:42 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
Message-ID: <bed.3b55de53.37146dda@aol.com>

Hi List,
You can preview this book on Google Book Search (_http://books.google.com/_ 
(http://books.google.com/) ).
 Just type in "Farm Motors".
 
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 93454

 
 
In a message dated 4/13/2009 3:24:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:

> For  those of you that may have interest, there is a book on E-Bay that  
looks
> interesting, called, Farm Motors: Practical Hints for Handy-men,  this 
looks 
> pretty interesting  & seems to cover hit &  miss & a lot of other early 
stuff.




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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Mon Apr 13 04:15:30 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 07:15:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
In-Reply-To: <466846.39175.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <466846.39175.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W463040E8CB7A502DC35388B47F0@phx.gbl>


WELL DAMN !!! lol

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 02:56:58 -0700
> From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
> 
> It is $6.27 on EBay but I just went to Amazon and bought it from what appears to be the same seller for $4.83.
> Alan in Michigan
> 
> --- On Mon, 4/13/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
> Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
> To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 5:22 AM
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all;
> 
> For those of you that may have interest, there is a book on E-Bay that looks
> interesting, called, Farm Motors: Practical Hints for Handy-men, this looks 
> pretty interesting  & seems to cover hit & miss & a lot of other early stuff.
> The E-Bay item is 300303059028.
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm
> 
>         Franklin S. Skinner 
>     Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
>        34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Apr 13 05:45:56 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:45:56 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Portland in August
In-Reply-To: <bed.3b08eb3d.370fcf06@aol.com>
References: <bed.3b08eb3d.370fcf06@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090413124544.6EEBD3181AE@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>

Thanks for the advice guys, I recon we will be 
seeing plenty of the falls from both sides. It's 
a shame we don't have plenty more time to wizz 
around the whole country looking at engines and 
meeting folk. (with the odd bit of shopping for 
the girls) Hope to see/meet plenty of the lists guys and girls at the rallies.
Russ


At 08:21 AM 10/04/2009, you wrote:
>I agree with Luke, Stay on the Canadian 
>side.  Motels up on the  hill.  Ask to look at 
>the rooms before you rent.  Motel we stayed 
>in  had panoramic windows overlooking both 
>Canadian and American falls. Colored  night 
>lights are beautiful.  Tom  Schmutz 
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Apr 13 10:39:15 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:39:15 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hot Rods
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1239638402.6284.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090413191744.00c1e438@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 13/04/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:59:02 -0400
>From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hot Rods
>
>WOW!! Thanks Jerry--and it took less that 17 minutes to fully load! Is
>this simply a white man's hobby in SA? I see only one car that's owned
>by a person of colo(u)r--jpg 91.
>         Dave

Hi Dave,
         ROTFLMAO!!
         You are right about it only being a "white man's hobby"! Others do 
not get involved simply because there is too much work involved!!
         I do have to explain one thing though - not all white men are the 
same. You will notice that the show was held in a town called Boksburg 
which is "affectionately" known as "Spanner City" - I do not really know 
how to explain it to you but it's one of those areas that is well known for 
its "boy racers", "hotted-up" 10 year old cars and all the motor workshops 
have names like "Rev Right Motors", "Big Balls Racing Tune ups" and suchlike.

         It's also one of those areas where the passport official asks "Do 
you have a weapon?" - if your answer is "No" he usually says "Oh S---, 
here, you'd better take mine". :-)
         I hope this clears it up for you.
Keep well,
Jerry.
P.S. And to think - I really liked that Pink - :-)



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 13 15:17:14 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:17:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
Message-ID: <705834.38624.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

There are still a dozen copies of this book for sale for less than six bucks.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1585740071/ref=dp_olp_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1239660597&sr=1-1
?
OR
?
http://tiny.cc/q9XyW
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Mon, 4/13/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:


From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 7:15 AM



WELL DAMN !!! lol



http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm

? ? ? ? Franklin S. Skinner 
? ? Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
? ? ???34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470




> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 02:56:58 -0700
> From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
> 
> It is $6.27 on EBay but I just went to Amazon and bought it from what appears to be the same seller for $4.83.
> Alan in Michigan
> 
> --- On Mon, 4/13/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
> Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
> To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 5:22 AM
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all;
> 
> For those of you that may have interest, there is a book on E-Bay that looks
> interesting, called, Farm Motors: Practical Hints for Handy-men, this looks 
> pretty interesting? & seems to cover hit & miss & a lot of other early stuff.
> The E-Bay item is 300303059028.
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm
> 
>? ? ? ???Franklin S. Skinner 
>? ???Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
>? ? ? ? 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From rotigel at me.com  Mon Apr 13 15:42:40 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:42:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <E3A70D86-A68F-4980-9EEB-3D37C15C5D80@me.com>
References: <283474.80209.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<E3A70D86-A68F-4980-9EEB-3D37C15C5D80@me.com>
Message-ID: <988DEEE7-6EA0-4A20-B0AC-5F4936408BC0@me.com>

I talked with a gal from the Badger Ferry (No Paul, NOT that kind of  
FERRY!) today about the price(s) of crossing from MI to WI for the  
shows.
		Truck		$77.00
		Trailer		130.00 ($5.50 per ft--my 18' trailer is 23.6' long)
		One preson	74.00
		Total		TOO MUCH!
	Dave
PS, Damn, another GOOD idea gone to hell!

On Apr 11, 2009, at 11:27 PM, David Rotigel wrote:

> Thanks Alan, but if Mapquest is correct it's only ~490 miles (8 hours,
> 7 minutes) from Buckley to Baraboo via Chicago. It would be a ~214
> mile drive from Buckley to Baraboo if we used the ferry. Looks about a
> toss-up to me. Arnie and I really consider anything under ~700 miles a
> "local" show!
> 	Dave
> PS, The REAL problem here is the "vacation schedule"--Arnie gets a
> vacation and I don't!
>
> On Apr 11, 2009, at 10:18 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>> It is a long drive either way around lake Michigan.
>> You just might want to consider this boat ride.
>> http://www.ssbadger.com/home.aspx


From marinesurveys at msn.com  Mon Apr 13 15:38:02 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:38:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
In-Reply-To: <705834.38624.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <705834.38624.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W5B3B9E90253F9F862CF83B47F0@phx.gbl>


Just proves my theory is right, 

"Whatever I buy, can be found for less, by anyone else "

 

                      

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:17:14 -0700
> From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
> 
> There are still a dozen copies of this book for sale for less than six bucks.
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1585740071/ref=dp_olp_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1239660597&sr=1-1
>  
> OR
>  
> http://tiny.cc/q9XyW
>  
> Alan in Michigan
> 
> --- On Mon, 4/13/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
> To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 7:15 AM
> 
> 
> 
> WELL DAMN !!! lol
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm
> 
>         Franklin S. Skinner 
>     Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
>        34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 02:56:58 -0700
> > From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
> > 
> > It is $6.27 on EBay but I just went to Amazon and bought it from what appears to be the same seller for $4.83.
> > Alan in Michigan
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
> > Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
> > To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 5:22 AM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi all;
> > 
> > For those of you that may have interest, there is a book on E-Bay that looks
> > interesting, called, Farm Motors: Practical Hints for Handy-men, this looks 
> > pretty interesting  & seems to cover hit & miss & a lot of other early stuff.
> > The E-Bay item is 300303059028.
> > 
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm
> > 
> >         Franklin S. Skinner 
> >     Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> >        34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Mon Apr 13 16:06:24 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:06:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Primer
Message-ID: <COL106-W34B4BC998E703289DE425AB47F0@phx.gbl>


Hi all;
 
Any recommendations on a really good, high build , primer for engines ?
Im going to start restoring a Petter AV engine soon, altho it looks bad, 
it's not really a rusty lump, but I would like the final paint finish to look
really nice and fairly smooth {as you can over un-polished cast iron }
 
The engine is in the link below, click on Petter
 
Thanks 
 
Remember "Big Rust" is an engine, "Little Rust" is a frozen part
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Apr 13 16:49:45 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:49:45 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Engine Primer
References: <COL106-W34B4BC998E703289DE425AB47F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001c01c9bc92$8d1b3f30$3a290556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "frank skinner" <marinesurveys at msn.com>
To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:06 AM
Subject: [SEL] Engine Primer
> Hi all;
> Any recommendations on a really good, high build , primer for engines ?
> Im going to start restoring a Petter AV engine soon, altho it looks bad, 
> it's not really a rusty lump, but I would like the final paint finish to look
> really nice and fairly smooth {as you can over un-polished cast iron }
> The engine is in the link below, click on Petter
> Thanks 
> Remember "Big Rust" is an engine, "Little Rust" is a frozen part
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm
>        Franklin S. Skinner 

With a family history like that it is well worth a lot of work to restore it!!
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 13 17:23:26 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:23:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
Message-ID: <677981.33179.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

What stupid pricing.
With as slow as that ferry is charging that much is ridiculous.
$281.00 would sure buy you a lot of fuel.
$281.00 to save 13 minutes seems kind of silly too.
?
Thanks for checking that out, Dave.
?
Alan in Lake Locked Michigan

--- On Mon, 4/13/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 6:42 PM


I talked with a gal from the Badger Ferry (No Paul, NOT that kind of? 
FERRY!) today about the price(s) of crossing from MI to WI for the? 
shows.
??? ??? Truck??? ??? $77.00
??? ??? Trailer??? ??? 130.00 ($5.50 per ft--my 18' trailer is 23.6' long)
??? ??? One preson??? 74.00
??? ??? Total??? ??? TOO MUCH!
??? Dave
PS, Damn, another GOOD idea gone to hell!

On Apr 11, 2009, at 11:27 PM, David Rotigel wrote:

> Thanks Alan, but if Mapquest is correct it's only ~490 miles (8 hours,
> 7 minutes) from Buckley to Baraboo via Chicago. It would be a ~214
> mile drive from Buckley to Baraboo if we used the ferry. Looks about a
> toss-up to me. Arnie and I really consider anything under ~700 miles a
> "local" show!
> ??? Dave
> PS, The REAL problem here is the "vacation schedule"--Arnie gets a
> vacation and I don't!
>
> On Apr 11, 2009, at 10:18 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>> It is a long drive either way around lake Michigan.
>> You just might want to consider this boat ride.
>> http://www.ssbadger.com/home.aspx
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 00:40:21 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:40:21 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <988DEEE7-6EA0-4A20-B0AC-5F4936408BC0@me.com>
References: <283474.80209.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<E3A70D86-A68F-4980-9EEB-3D37C15C5D80@me.com>
	<988DEEE7-6EA0-4A20-B0AC-5F4936408BC0@me.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160904140040k7769ce72q58470471877cad65@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/13 David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>:
> I talked with a gal from the Badger Ferry (No Paul, NOT that kind of
> FERRY!) today about the price(s) of crossing from MI to WI for the
> shows.
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Truck ? ? ? ? ? $77.00
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Trailer ? ? ? ? 130.00 ($5.50 per ft--my 18' trailer is 23.6' long)
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?One preson ? ? ?74.00
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Total ? ? ? ? ? TOO MUCH!
> ? ? ? ?Dave
> PS, Damn, another GOOD idea gone to hell!

 Just for comparison:

The North Sea  ferry,  UK to Holland for the Nuenen engine show, is
costing ?370.00 ($US 550.00) for the van and trailer plus Philip's
Land Rover 4X4, four adults and a 4-berth cabin. The crossing takes
about 8 hours. That price is for the return trip as well. We booked
that last October, current prices may be higher.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From marinesurveys at msn.com  Tue Apr 14 01:30:33 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 04:30:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV Engine
In-Reply-To: <001c01c9bc92$8d1b3f30$3a290556@intrepid>
References: <COL106-W34B4BC998E703289DE425AB47F0@phx.gbl>
	<001c01c9bc92$8d1b3f30$3a290556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <COL106-W54A7B557694A67EE3BA624B47C0@phx.gbl>


Dave;

Thanks, it has been in the family since it arrived in the states, 

in mid Dec. 1957. My plan { I think} is to convert from a marine

engine to a Gen-set & have the power available for use during

hurricanes, we loose power for days, at times.

I wish it bigger, but it will carry an 8 KW generator with no worries,

It will power everthing here @ home, just not the Air Conditioning system.

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:49:45 +0100
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Primer
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "frank skinner" <marinesurveys at msn.com>
> To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:06 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Engine Primer
> > Hi all;
> > Any recommendations on a really good, high build , primer for engines ?
> > Im going to start restoring a Petter AV engine soon, altho it looks bad, 
> > it's not really a rusty lump, but I would like the final paint finish to look
> > really nice and fairly smooth {as you can over un-polished cast iron }
> > The engine is in the link below, click on Petter
> > Thanks 
> > Remember "Big Rust" is an engine, "Little Rust" is a frozen part
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm
> > Franklin S. Skinner 
> 
> With a family history like that it is well worth a lot of work to restore it!!
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> 
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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Tue Apr 14 02:06:52 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:06:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160904140040k7769ce72q58470471877cad65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <283474.80209.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<E3A70D86-A68F-4980-9EEB-3D37C15C5D80@me.com>
	<988DEEE7-6EA0-4A20-B0AC-5F4936408BC0@me.com> 
	<6f6025160904140040k7769ce72q58470471877cad65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W21E1C95DF9018EA4BD74B3B47C0@phx.gbl>


Peter;

 

You Brits have more money now days than us "Yanks" do.

we would need a "Stimulating Package " from the 

Emperor "Obama", to afford that , snicker 

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:40:21 +0100
> From: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
> 
> 2009/4/13 David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>:
> > I talked with a gal from the Badger Ferry (No Paul, NOT that kind of
> > FERRY!) today about the price(s) of crossing from MI to WI for the
> > shows.
> >                Truck           $77.00
> >                Trailer         130.00 ($5.50 per ft--my 18' trailer is 23.6' long)
> >                One preson      74.00
> >                Total           TOO MUCH!
> >        Dave
> > PS, Damn, another GOOD idea gone to hell!
> 
> Just for comparison:
> 
> The North Sea ferry, UK to Holland for the Nuenen engine show, is
> costing ?370.00 ($US 550.00) for the van and trailer plus Philip's
> Land Rover 4X4, four adults and a 4-berth cabin. The crossing takes
> about 8 hours. That price is for the return trip as well. We booked
> that last October, current prices may be higher.
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
> 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr 14 05:04:12 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:04:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160904140040k7769ce72q58470471877cad65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <283474.80209.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<E3A70D86-A68F-4980-9EEB-3D37C15C5D80@me.com>
	<988DEEE7-6EA0-4A20-B0AC-5F4936408BC0@me.com>
	<6f6025160904140040k7769ce72q58470471877cad65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ad2c13e8ac7e52c10e472ce770d9c5d3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Peter,

Your rates are dead cheap!  If we scale Dave's quote to your specifics that would be
~$1160 compared to your $550.  Plus you can sleep or shag in your cabin.  Wot a
deal!

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, April 14, 2009 3:40 am, Listerdiesel wrote:
>> I talked with a gal from the Badger Ferry (No Paul, NOT that kind of
>> FERRY!) today about the price(s) of crossing from MI to WI for the
>> shows.
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Truck ? ? ? ? ? $77.00
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Trailer ? ? ? ? 130.00 ($5.50 per ft--my 18' trailer is 23.6' long)
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?One preson ? ? ?74.00
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Total ? ? ? ? ? TOO MUCH!
>
>  Just for comparison:
>
> The North Sea  ferry,  UK to Holland for the Nuenen engine show, is
> costing ?370.00 ($US 550.00) for the van and trailer plus Philip's
> Land Rover 4X4, four adults and a 4-berth cabin. The crossing takes
> about 8 hours. That price is for the return trip as well. We booked
> that last October, current prices may be higher.





From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Apr 14 06:27:12 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:27:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Villiers Torque Major engine info wanted.
Message-ID: <E41F2BD944DF4BBCAB57B464553B17EA@peterlowe>

Hi All

My old mate is doing up an engine off a Rover Challenger lawn mower. The engine is a Villiers TorqueMajor, 142cc, two stroke. 
Numbers on the engine are:
W1051/2A
WM
114111

The engine starts and tries to run and then stops, float level in carby seems OK, there is spark and the crankcase seals are OK. Any clues from the small two stroke brigade on the Lists.
What is the points gap and does anyone have a manual that they can send me a copy of please.

Peter, Oz

From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Apr 14 08:51:53 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:51:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
Message-ID: <20090414155152.7FF834448E5@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used on a
8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to buy
false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any help.
Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 14 09:19:31 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:19:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <20090414155152.7FF834448E5@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20090414155152.7FF834448E5@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W605CA157EAFE56BD97184DC27C0@phx.gbl>


Here are some pics of mine

 

http://gasenginetom.com/8_HP_Fairbanks_NB.html

 

Tom Winland

Ohio
 
> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:51:53 -0700
> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> 
> Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used on a
> 8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to buy
> false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any help.
> Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236
> 
> 
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> 
> 
> 
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Apr 14 09:38:03 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:38:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W605CA157EAFE56BD97184DC27C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090414163802.C986044484F@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Thank You MR. Winland. I have never seen one of those carbs/mixers in my
life, and chances are I never will that could be purchased.. Actually the
Throttle version looks a lot different than its hit and miss brother. Thanks
again, Jimmy 

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:20 AM
To: SEL list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N


Here are some pics of mine

 

http://gasenginetom.com/8_HP_Fairbanks_NB.html

 

Tom Winland

Ohio
 
> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:51:53 -0700
> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> 
> Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used on
a
> 8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to buy
> false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any
help.
> Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236
> 
> 
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> 
> 
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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Apr 14 09:39:17 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:39:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <20090414155152.7FF834448E5@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20090414155152.7FF834448E5@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A8B227F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

Jimmy,

I think I know someone up here that has a 8hp throttle governed N.

I can check if you don't find another one.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:52 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used
on a
8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to
buy
false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any
help.
Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236

 

Jim O'Hagan

 

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 09:48:31 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:48:31 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <ad2c13e8ac7e52c10e472ce770d9c5d3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <283474.80209.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<E3A70D86-A68F-4980-9EEB-3D37C15C5D80@me.com>
	<988DEEE7-6EA0-4A20-B0AC-5F4936408BC0@me.com>
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	<ad2c13e8ac7e52c10e472ce770d9c5d3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160904140948u5f52d74ja2a85d93713b9d24@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/14 Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>:
> Peter,
>
> Your rates are dead cheap! ?If we scale Dave's quote to your specifics that would be
> ~$1160 compared to your $550. ?Plus you can sleep or shag in your cabin. ?Wot a
> deal!
>
> See ya, ?Arnie

And you get to do it both ways (out and return!) as well :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Apr 14 09:50:49 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:50:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A8B227F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <20090414165047.DFF2F4054BE@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi George, Thanks but Tom 's pictures answered my questions. Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:39 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Jimmy,

I think I know someone up here that has a 8hp throttle governed N.

I can check if you don't find another one.

George

-----Original Message-----
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O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:52 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used
on a
8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to
buy
false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any
help.
Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236

 

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr 14 10:16:46 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:16:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160904140948u5f52d74ja2a85d93713b9d24@mail.gmail.com>
References: <283474.80209.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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	<988DEEE7-6EA0-4A20-B0AC-5F4936408BC0@me.com>
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I ain't gonna touch that one!!

On Tue, April 14, 2009 12:48 pm, Listerdiesel wrote:
> 2009/4/14 Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>:
>> Plus you can sleep or shag in your cabin. ?
>
> And you get to do it both ways (out and return!) as well :-))
>




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Apr 14 10:21:05 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:21:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W605CA157EAFE56BD97184DC27C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9EA5B33A57CF477E998B24F639BA1867@tommyd0x52gkco>

Tom, 
	Pretty sure I used to own that hunk of iron.  Did you get it
from Mike O'Malley?  Mike got a tank cooled throttler from me that
looked identical to yours.  I wished I had it back and I bet Mike does
too!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Winland
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:20 PM
To: SEL list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N


Here are some pics of mine

 

http://gasenginetom.com/8_HP_Fairbanks_NB.html

 

Tom Winland

Ohio
 
> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:51:53 -0700
> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> 
> Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used
on a
> 8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to
buy
> false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any
help.
> Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236
> 
> 
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> 
> 
> 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Apr 14 10:24:10 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:24:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <20090414155152.7FF834448E5@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <1A7073CA775745B5868E43A98C056B82@tommyd0x52gkco>

Jimmy,
	Had some computer problems and can't dig your personal email
address out of the system.  Send me an email.  I may know where you can
find a carb....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:52 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used
on a
8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to
buy
false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any
help.
Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236

 

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From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Apr 14 10:32:20 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:32:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W605CA157EAFE56BD97184DC27C0@phx.gbl>
References: <20090414155152.7FF834448E5@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
	<BLU102-W605CA157EAFE56BD97184DC27C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <094BB138-F19F-434F-AFE9-D85373B2B0EE@rustyiron.com>

She's a beautiful engine, Tom.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Apr 14, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Tom Winland wrote:

>
> Here are some pics of mine



From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Apr 14 10:35:30 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:35:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160904140948u5f52d74ja2a85d93713b9d24@mail.gmail.com>
References: <283474.80209.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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	<988DEEE7-6EA0-4A20-B0AC-5F4936408BC0@me.com>
	<6f6025160904140040k7769ce72q58470471877cad65@mail.gmail.com>
	<ad2c13e8ac7e52c10e472ce770d9c5d3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160904140948u5f52d74ja2a85d93713b9d24@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8DFF2AAA-E805-449C-A342-EDDBF21250CF@rustyiron.com>

You boys aren't giving Dave enough credit.  Why do you think he has  
that shell on the back of the pickup?  Not only can he shag on the  
fairy, but he can pull over at every truck stop!


>> Plus you can sleep or shag in your cabin.  Wot a
>> deal!
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie


> And you get to do it both ways (out and return!) as well :-))
>
> Peter



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Apr 14 10:51:30 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:51:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <1A7073CA775745B5868E43A98C056B82@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <20090414175130.C01814CA664@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi Tommy, I have a chance to buy a "N" and it might be a throttler with a
wrong carb on it. Right now there are no pictures. Won't know much more
until the weekend. With whats going on recently with the prices on these
things, as you KNOW, I thought it is tmime to buy one if it's reasonable.
CYA, Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:24 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Jimmy,
	Had some computer problems and can't dig your personal email
address out of the system.  Send me an email.  I may know where you can
find a carb....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:52 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used
on a
8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to
buy
false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any
help.
Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236

 

Jim O'Hagan

 

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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 14 11:04:25 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:04:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <9EA5B33A57CF477E998B24F639BA1867@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <BLU102-W605CA157EAFE56BD97184DC27C0@phx.gbl>
	<9EA5B33A57CF477E998B24F639BA1867@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W318B313399D6CE9E7C9C7CC27C0@phx.gbl>


My engine came from a guy in the Carolina's a few years ago.
 
> From: lcjudge at scrtc.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:21:05 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> 
> Tom, 
> Pretty sure I used to own that hunk of iron. Did you get it
> from Mike O'Malley? Mike got a tank cooled throttler from me that
> looked identical to yours. I wished I had it back and I bet Mike does
> too!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom
> Winland
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:20 PM
> To: SEL list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> 
> 
> Here are some pics of mine
> 
> 
> 
> http://gasenginetom.com/8_HP_Fairbanks_NB.html
> 
> 
> 
> Tom Winland
> 
> Ohio
> 
> > From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:51:53 -0700
> > Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> > 
> > Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used
> on a
> > 8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to
> buy
> > false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any
> help.
> > Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Jim O'Hagan
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Tue Apr 14 11:11:45 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:11:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <8DFF2AAA-E805-449C-A342-EDDBF21250CF@rustyiron.com>
References: <283474.80209.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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	<988DEEE7-6EA0-4A20-B0AC-5F4936408BC0@me.com>
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hmmmm things in the room are picking up, it seems , grin

 

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    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
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PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: rob at rustyiron.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:35:30 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
> 
> You boys aren't giving Dave enough credit. Why do you think he has 
> that shell on the back of the pickup? Not only can he shag on the 
> fairy, but he can pull over at every truck stop!
> 
> 
> >> Plus you can sleep or shag in your cabin. Wot a
> >> deal!
> >>
> >> See ya, Arnie
> 
> 
> > And you get to do it both ways (out and return!) as well :-))
> >
> > Peter
> 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Apr 14 11:32:03 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:32:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W318B313399D6CE9E7C9C7CC27C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A990E220E44141D493EF25D00F06AECD@tommyd0x52gkco>

Yup, I told you wrong.  I had a hit and miss and a throttler.  The hit
and miss went to Mike and the throttler went to NC.  I thought that was
the same engine.  The guy in NC had a ice cream freezer he ran with an
engine at shows.  He also had a GSM and a few other engines.

Tommy Turner



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Winland
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:04 PM
To: SEL list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N


My engine came from a guy in the Carolina's a few years ago.
 
> From: lcjudge at scrtc.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:21:05 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> 
> Tom, 
> Pretty sure I used to own that hunk of iron. Did you get it
> from Mike O'Malley? Mike got a tank cooled throttler from me that
> looked identical to yours. I wished I had it back and I bet Mike does
> too!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom
> Winland
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:20 PM
> To: SEL list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> 
> 
> Here are some pics of mine
> 
> 
> 
> http://gasenginetom.com/8_HP_Fairbanks_NB.html
> 
> 
> 
> Tom Winland
> 
> Ohio
> 
> > From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:51:53 -0700
> > Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> > 
> > Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was
used
> on a
> > 8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying
to
> buy
> > false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for
any
> help.
> > Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Jim O'Hagan
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 14 11:50:39 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:50:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <A990E220E44141D493EF25D00F06AECD@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <BLU102-W318B313399D6CE9E7C9C7CC27C0@phx.gbl>
	<A990E220E44141D493EF25D00F06AECD@tommyd0x52gkco>
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I have the 3 1/2 HP GSM also  :)

 

Tom Winland

Ohio
 
> From: lcjudge at scrtc.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:32:03 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> 
> Yup, I told you wrong. I had a hit and miss and a throttler. The hit
> and miss went to Mike and the throttler went to NC. I thought that was
> the same engine. The guy in NC had a ice cream freezer he ran with an
> engine at shows. He also had a GSM and a few other engines.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom
> Winland
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:04 PM
> To: SEL list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> 
> 
> My engine came from a guy in the Carolina's a few years ago.
> 
> > From: lcjudge at scrtc.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:21:05 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> > 
> > Tom, 
> > Pretty sure I used to own that hunk of iron. Did you get it
> > from Mike O'Malley? Mike got a tank cooled throttler from me that
> > looked identical to yours. I wished I had it back and I bet Mike does
> > too!
> > 
> > Tommy Turner
> > Magnolia, KY
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom
> > Winland
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:20 PM
> > To: SEL list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> > 
> > 
> > Here are some pics of mine
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://gasenginetom.com/8_HP_Fairbanks_NB.html
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Tom Winland
> > 
> > Ohio
> > 
> > > From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:51:53 -0700
> > > Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> > > 
> > > Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was
> used
> > on a
> > > 8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying
> to
> > buy
> > > false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for
> any
> > help.
> > > Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Jim O'Hagan
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> > 
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From rotigel at me.com  Tue Apr 14 12:36:49 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:36:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W2136A264747DAD3D03BC53C27C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU102-W318B313399D6CE9E7C9C7CC27C0@phx.gbl>
	<A990E220E44141D493EF25D00F06AECD@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<BLU102-W2136A264747DAD3D03BC53C27C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <183FE05E-0F09-46AF-A57F-A81180078708@me.com>

Tom, Do you make ice cream at shows?
	Dave

On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Tom Winland wrote:

>
> I have the 3 1/2 HP GSM also  :)
>
>
>
> Tom Winland
>
> Ohio
>
>> From: lcjudge at scrtc.com
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:32:03 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
>>
>> Yup, I told you wrong. I had a hit and miss and a throttler. The hit
>> and miss went to Mike and the throttler went to NC. I thought that  
>> was
>> the same engine. The guy in NC had a ice cream freezer he ran with an
>> engine at shows. He also had a GSM and a few other engines.
>>
>> Tommy Turner


From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 14 12:33:13 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:33:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <183FE05E-0F09-46AF-A57F-A81180078708@me.com>
References: <BLU102-W318B313399D6CE9E7C9C7CC27C0@phx.gbl>
	<A990E220E44141D493EF25D00F06AECD@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<BLU102-W2136A264747DAD3D03BC53C27C0@phx.gbl> 
	<183FE05E-0F09-46AF-A57F-A81180078708@me.com>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W281D046D193C567DAFFD08C27C0@phx.gbl>


I don't make any ice cream but I sure do like to eat it   :)
 
> From: rotigel at me.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:36:49 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> 
> Tom, Do you make ice cream at shows?
> Dave
> 
> On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Tom Winland wrote:
> 
> >
> > I have the 3 1/2 HP GSM also :)
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom Winland
> >
> > Ohio
> >
> >> From: lcjudge at scrtc.com
> >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:32:03 -0400
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> >>
> >> Yup, I told you wrong. I had a hit and miss and a throttler. The hit
> >> and miss went to Mike and the throttler went to NC. I thought that 
> >> was
> >> the same engine. The guy in NC had a ice cream freezer he ran with an
> >> engine at shows. He also had a GSM and a few other engines.
> >>
> >> Tommy Turner
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Apr 14 12:42:51 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:42:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <20090414175130.C01814CA664@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <D1696658431749F1B6A25CBA9C25F013@tommyd0x52gkco>

Hey Jimmy, I've got one of the nicest 6 HP Fairbanks Standards you'll
ever find.  Every gizmo is original and its complete, even the original
rod oiler and cylinder swing top.  Now you have an old hunk of iron that
I'd like to trade for......

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:52 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hi Tommy, I have a chance to buy a "N" and it might be a throttler with
a
wrong carb on it. Right now there are no pictures. Won't know much more
until the weekend. With whats going on recently with the prices on these
things, as you KNOW, I thought it is tmime to buy one if it's
reasonable.
CYA, Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge
Tommy
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:24 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Jimmy,
	Had some computer problems and can't dig your personal email
address out of the system.  Send me an email.  I may know where you can
find a carb....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:52 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used
on a
8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to
buy
false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any
help.
Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236

 

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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Apr 14 13:03:32 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:03:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <20090414175130.C01814CA664@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <A428959906674B07B0FA232AD0F3CB25@tommyd0x52gkco>

Once you know what it needs, get in touch with me.  I know a gent who
used to have an 8 HP throttler N carb.  I don't know if he still has it
or not but it would be worth a call to find out.

Tommy Turner



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:52 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hi Tommy, I have a chance to buy a "N" and it might be a throttler with
a
wrong carb on it. Right now there are no pictures. Won't know much more
until the weekend. With whats going on recently with the prices on these
things, as you KNOW, I thought it is tmime to buy one if it's
reasonable.
CYA, Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge
Tommy
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:24 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Jimmy,
	Had some computer problems and can't dig your personal email
address out of the system.  Send me an email.  I may know where you can
find a carb....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:52 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used
on a
8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to
buy
false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any
help.
Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236

 

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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Tue Apr 14 13:10:49 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 06:10:49 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Villiers Torque Major engine info wanted.
In-Reply-To: <E41F2BD944DF4BBCAB57B464553B17EA@peterlowe>
References: <E41F2BD944DF4BBCAB57B464553B17EA@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <49E4EDC9.5040205@rustic-engines.com>

Peter,

try holding the carby tickler down after the engine fires. I would bet 
London to a brick on that it is slowly being starved of fuel, either by 
obstruction, constriction or jetting.

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Peter Lowe wrote:
> Hi All
>
> My old mate is doing up an engine off a Rover Challenger lawn mower. The engine is a Villiers TorqueMajor, 142cc, two stroke. 
> Numbers on the engine are:
> W1051/2A
> WM
> 114111
>
> The engine starts and tries to run and then stops, float level in carby seems OK, there is spark and the crankcase seals are OK. Any clues from the small two stroke brigade on the Lists.
> What is the points gap and does anyone have a manual that they can send me a copy of please.
>
> Peter, Oz
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Tue Apr 14 13:36:50 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 06:36:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <A428959906674B07B0FA232AD0F3CB25@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <A428959906674B07B0FA232AD0F3CB25@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <49E4F3E2.5010100@rustic-engines.com>

While you fellas are looking around remember me.

1.5hp FMZ throttle governed diagonal cut cam gear, governor bits, and 
the two rods (valve and carby).

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> Once you know what it needs, get in touch with me.  I know a gent who
> used to have an 8 HP throttler N carb.  I don't know if he still has it
> or not but it would be worth a call to find out.
>
> Tommy Turner
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> O'Hagan
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:52 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
>
> Hi Tommy, I have a chance to buy a "N" and it might be a throttler with
> a
> wrong carb on it. Right now there are no pictures. Won't know much more
> until the weekend. With whats going on recently with the prices on these
> things, as you KNOW, I thought it is tmime to buy one if it's
> reasonable.
> CYA, Jimmy
>
> Jim O'Hagan
>
>
>   


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Apr 14 14:08:35 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:08:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <D1696658431749F1B6A25CBA9C25F013@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <20090414210837.3C20F4C974B@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Tommy, My S.O. has instructions to call you BEFORE the ambulance if I keel
over. I'll yank your chain next week when I find out more about the N/NB.
Thank you very much. Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:43 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hey Jimmy, I've got one of the nicest 6 HP Fairbanks Standards you'll
ever find.  Every gizmo is original and its complete, even the original
rod oiler and cylinder swing top.  Now you have an old hunk of iron that
I'd like to trade for......

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:52 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hi Tommy, I have a chance to buy a "N" and it might be a throttler with
a
wrong carb on it. Right now there are no pictures. Won't know much more
until the weekend. With whats going on recently with the prices on these
things, as you KNOW, I thought it is tmime to buy one if it's
reasonable.
CYA, Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge
Tommy
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:24 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Jimmy,
	Had some computer problems and can't dig your personal email
address out of the system.  Send me an email.  I may know where you can
find a carb....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:52 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used
on a
8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to
buy
false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any
help.
Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236

 

Jim O'Hagan

 

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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Apr 14 14:15:36 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:15:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <49E4F3E2.5010100@rustic-engines.com>
Message-ID: <20090414211535.15819302939@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Al, what's the serial # so I have an idea of when it was built. Do you know
if any other HP. Eng.s will interchange? If I see a Parts engine at a swap
meet, I'll grab it for ya. Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Al Harris
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:37 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

While you fellas are looking around remember me.

1.5hp FMZ throttle governed diagonal cut cam gear, governor bits, and 
the two rods (valve and carby).

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> Once you know what it needs, get in touch with me.  I know a gent who
> used to have an 8 HP throttler N carb.  I don't know if he still has it
> or not but it would be worth a call to find out.
>
> Tommy Turner
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> O'Hagan
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:52 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
>
> Hi Tommy, I have a chance to buy a "N" and it might be a throttler with
> a
> wrong carb on it. Right now there are no pictures. Won't know much more
> until the weekend. With whats going on recently with the prices on these
> things, as you KNOW, I thought it is tmime to buy one if it's
> reasonable.
> CYA, Jimmy
>
> Jim O'Hagan
>
>
>   
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Apr 14 14:47:46 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:47:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <20090414210837.3C20F4C974B@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <40F359565E9B4FF68578E7FFA10CDB1A@tommydk7hxjr4h>

I couldn't ask for any more than that Jimmy!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:09 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N


Tommy, My S.O. has instructions to call you BEFORE the ambulance if I
keel over. I'll yank your chain next week when I find out more about the
N/NB. Thank you very much. Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan




From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Tue Apr 14 14:51:36 2009
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 07:51:36 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
References: <20090414155152.7FF834448E5@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
	<BLU102-W605CA157EAFE56BD97184DC27C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E86C6E06D4DB441792F6D2E677838FD6@Edd>

Hi Tom.I have a 8HP hit/miss.I see that your engine has no crank guard in 
the great pics.My engine was missing its guard as well .Robert L.LeFEVER 
from PA U.S.A. made me one and it is really good.He has an original as a 
pattern.For you and any one interested his phone # is 717548 4131.He is not 
available at the moment as he is in Australia on vacation.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Winland" <gasenginetom at hotmail.com>
To: "SEL list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N


>
> Here are some pics of mine
>
>
>
> http://gasenginetom.com/8_HP_Fairbanks_NB.html
>
>
>
> Tom Winland
>
> Ohio
>
>> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:51:53 -0700
>> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
>>
>> Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used on 
>> a
>> 8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to 
>> buy
>> false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any 
>> help.
>> Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim O'Hagan
>>
>>
>>
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Tue Apr 14 15:12:48 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:12:48 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <20090414211535.15819302939@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20090414211535.15819302939@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <49E50A60.8060205@rustic-engines.com>

Jim,

553711    -   1923

As luck would have it, the 2 & 3hp engines do not have diagonal cam gear 
and gov parts interchangeable with the 1.5hp model. Also, very few 1.5's 
made it to Oz, the larger ones being preferred.

When you grab one, would you kindly package and post the parts I need to 
Oz, because, I surely don't want the "bulky" bit sent over. ;-)

You can see what I have here:

> http://www.rustic-engines.com/

ps: it now has the true 1.5hp mixer on it, not the 3hp one seen in the pic.

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Jim O'Hagan wrote:
> Al, what's the serial # so I have an idea of when it was built. Do you know
> if any other HP. Eng.s will interchange? If I see a Parts engine at a swap
> meet, I'll grab it for ya. Jimmy
>
> Jim O'Hagan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Al Harris
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:37 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
>
> While you fellas are looking around remember me.
>
> 1.5hp FMZ throttle governed diagonal cut cam gear, governor bits, and 
> the two rods (valve and carby).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Al Harris
> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>
> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
>
>   


From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Tue Apr 14 15:24:06 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:24:06 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
Message-ID: <c2c.57959ccd.37166706@aol.com>

Get a hold of Tom Weatherford he has my old 8 HP He might be able to help  
out.
KK
 
 
In a message dated 4/14/2009 4:14:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

Once you  know what it needs, get in touch with me.  I know a gent who
used to  have an 8 HP throttler N carb.  I don't know if he still has it
or not  but it would be worth a call to find out.

Tommy  Turner



-----Original Message-----
From:  sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]  On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:52 PM
To:  'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse  N

Hi Tommy, I have a chance to buy a "N" and it might be a throttler  with
a
wrong carb on it. Right now there are no pictures. Won't know  much more
until the weekend. With whats going on recently with the prices  on these
things, as you KNOW, I thought it is tmime to buy one if  it's
reasonable.
CYA, Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original  Message-----
From:  sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]  On Behalf Of Judge
Tommy
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:24  AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks  Morse N

Jimmy,
Had some computer problems and can't  dig your personal email
address out of the system.  Send me an  email.  I may know where you can
find a carb....

Tommy  Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From:  sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]  On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:52 AM
To:  'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hi,  would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used
on  a
8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying  to
buy
false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks  for any
help.
Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236



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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Tue Apr 14 15:26:51 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:26:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
Message-ID: <cf4.4d68ae19.371667ab@aol.com>

Al why dont you just buy the one I just picked up 1.5 HP FMZ original. Oh  
its a kero burner also. Emal me.
_BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM_ (mailto:BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM) 
KK
 
 
In a message dated 4/14/2009 4:44:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
al.harris at rustic-engines.com writes:

While  you fellas are looking around remember me.

1.5hp FMZ throttle governed  diagonal cut cam gear, governor bits, and 
the two rods (valve and  carby).

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW  Oz

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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Tue Apr 14 15:31:03 2009
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:31:03 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
References: <20090414211535.15819302939@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
	<49E50A60.8060205@rustic-engines.com>
Message-ID: <7BF9CA3D00BE4052BD7593CFB09299C7@Edd>

Hi All.The 1.5& 2hpZ throttlers use the same parts (except for the 
headless1.5)
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Al Harris" <al.harris at rustic-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N


> Jim,
>
> 553711    -   1923
>
> As luck would have it, the 2 & 3hp engines do not have diagonal cam gear
> and gov parts interchangeable with the 1.5hp model. Also, very few 1.5's
> made it to Oz, the larger ones being preferred.
>
> When you grab one, would you kindly package and post the parts I need to
> Oz, because, I surely don't want the "bulky" bit sent over. ;-)
>
> You can see what I have here:
>
>> http://www.rustic-engines.com/
>
> ps: it now has the true 1.5hp mixer on it, not the 3hp one seen in the 
> pic.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Al Harris
> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>
> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
>
>
>
> Jim O'Hagan wrote:
>> Al, what's the serial # so I have an idea of when it was built. Do you 
>> know
>> if any other HP. Eng.s will interchange? If I see a Parts engine at a 
>> swap
>> meet, I'll grab it for ya. Jimmy
>>
>> Jim O'Hagan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Al Harris
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:37 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
>>
>> While you fellas are looking around remember me.
>>
>> 1.5hp FMZ throttle governed diagonal cut cam gear, governor bits, and
>> the two rods (valve and carby).
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Al Harris
>> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>>
>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
>>
>>
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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Tue Apr 14 15:53:33 2009
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:53:33 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  Fairbanks Morse N
Message-ID: <9C1236D624A54845A3C08DC6DA43999E@Edd>

try again.this post disappeared.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N


> Hi Tom.I have a 8HP hit/miss.I see that your engine has no crank guard in 
> the great pics.My engine was missing its guard as well .Robert L.LeFEVER 
> from PA U.S.A. made me one and it is really good.He has an original as a 
> pattern.For you and any one interested his phone # is 717548 4131.He is 
> not available at the moment as he is in Australia on vacation.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tom Winland" <gasenginetom at hotmail.com>
> To: "SEL list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
>
>
>>
>> Here are some pics of mine
>>
>>
>>
>> http://gasenginetom.com/8_HP_Fairbanks_NB.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Winland
>>
>> Ohio
>>
>>> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
>>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:51:53 -0700
>>> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
>>>
>>> Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used 
>>> on a
>>> 8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to 
>>> buy
>>> false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any 
>>> help.
>>> Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim O'Hagan
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Tue Apr 14 17:01:02 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:01:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <7BF9CA3D00BE4052BD7593CFB09299C7@Edd>
References: <20090414211535.15819302939@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>	<49E50A60.8060205@rustic-engines.com>
	<7BF9CA3D00BE4052BD7593CFB09299C7@Edd>
Message-ID: <49E523BE.2020503@rustic-engines.com>

G'day Edd,

You might have missed the word "diagonal". Hit n miss show part numbers 
HM2476 and HM2485 as only for the 1.5hp engine. My assumption is that 
the 2hp engine did not come with a diagonal gear on the crankshaft.

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Edd Payne wrote:
> Hi All.The 1.5& 2hpZ throttlers use the same parts (except for the 
> headless1.5)
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
>
>   


From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Apr 14 17:22:16 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:22:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Manual
Message-ID: <20090414.202425.1508.5.jlb94>

Hi List,
I am sending this on the list because the Off-Topic address keeps
bouncing back on me.


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made in 1972.

Nomenclature # 564.9998011
Model # 99901
Manufacturer # 564W
Sereal # 9W2270248
Patent # 3396342
Use & Care Manual # 11028

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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Wed Apr 15 00:24:11 2009
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:24:11 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
References: <20090414211535.15819302939@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>	<49E50A60.8060205@rustic-engines.com><7BF9CA3D00BE4052BD7593CFB09299C7@Edd>
	<49E523BE.2020503@rustic-engines.com>
Message-ID: <9295A2AD8FED4128BFC3F5FBCD3B8AF4@Edd>

Hi All.No I didn't miss that word.The 1.5&2HP Zs are the same engine.I have 
them in both HPs with straight and diagonal gears and all parts 
interchange.(as long as you use all the same style of gears)The diagonal 
gears were only used on Zs with the AB33/34 mags and only for about a year.I 
can be more specific if you wish but at the moment don't have time to go 
through my books to get accurate dates ECT.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Al Harris" <al.harris at rustic-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N


> G'day Edd,
>
> You might have missed the word "diagonal". Hit n miss show part numbers
> HM2476 and HM2485 as only for the 1.5hp engine. My assumption is that
> the 2hp engine did not come with a diagonal gear on the crankshaft.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Al Harris
> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>
> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
>
>
>
> Edd Payne wrote:
>> Hi All.The 1.5& 2hpZ throttlers use the same parts (except for the
>> headless1.5)
>> EDD PAYNE
>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
>> Australia
>> 2852
>> Phone:0263742387
>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
>> edsengns
>>
>>
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> 




From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Wed Apr 15 01:04:03 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:04:03 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <9295A2AD8FED4128BFC3F5FBCD3B8AF4@Edd>
References: <20090414211535.15819302939@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>	<49E50A60.8060205@rustic-engines.com><7BF9CA3D00BE4052BD7593CFB09299C7@Edd>	<49E523BE.2020503@rustic-engines.com>
	<9295A2AD8FED4128BFC3F5FBCD3B8AF4@Edd>
Message-ID: <49E594F3.6070401@rustic-engines.com>

The AB33 you can see sitting on my engine ready to be struck by the 
diagonally cut cam gear which Hit n miss say ONLY is supplied for the 1.5hp.

Isn't it an annoyance when you read things like that and then be told 
that it is not correct. Maybe Hit n miss should be told. Not by me though.

I already have the date Edd (1923) and there is a diag cut gear on the 
crankshaft and to attempt to keep it original I am seeking a diagonally 
cut cam gear (which I reiterate, Hit n Miss only sell as a 1.5hp item).

I'm not arguing, I'm just stating what Hit n Miss have in their parts 
list. If this is not correct, it really doesn't matter, I still require 
a diag cut cam gear. :-)

> http://www.hitnmiss.com/7.html

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Edd Payne wrote:
> Hi All.No I didn't miss that word.The 1.5&2HP Zs are the same engine.I have 
> them in both HPs with straight and diagonal gears and all parts 
> interchange.(as long as you use all the same style of gears)The diagonal 
> gears were only used on Zs with the AB33/34 mags and only for about a year.I 
> can be more specific if you wish but at the moment don't have time to go 
> through my books to get accurate dates ECT.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Al Harris" <al.harris at rustic-engines.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
>
>
>   
>> G'day Edd,
>>
>> You might have missed the word "diagonal". Hit n miss show part numbers
>> HM2476 and HM2485 as only for the 1.5hp engine. My assumption is that
>> the 2hp engine did not come with a diagonal gear on the crankshaft.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Al Harris
>> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>>
>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Edd Payne wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi All.The 1.5& 2hpZ throttlers use the same parts (except for the
>>> headless1.5)
>>> EDD PAYNE
>>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
>>> Australia
>>> 2852
>>> Phone:0263742387
>>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
>>> edsengns
>>>
>>>
>>>       
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>>
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>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Apr 15 03:48:38 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:48:38 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Australian contacts - Melbourne
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090415122654.02310048@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         A while back I mentioned a friend who was emigrating to Aus. Well 
he's there now and settled in Melbourne. (Sorry Aussies - you've got 
another South African there !!! :-))
         He is keen to hook up with a club in the area and I'd appreciate 
some contact names and addresses.
         His name is David Nel <david.nel.aviation at gmail.com> and his 
interests are stationary engines, cars (Mustang) and flying (he builds 
aircraft and is the owner of the SAAB Safir that I recently posted about). 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/saab/index.htm>
         Any contacts in the area will be appreciated.
Many thanks.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Wed Apr 15 04:40:16 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:40:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Australian contacts - Melbourne
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090415122654.02310048@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090415122654.02310048@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <49E5C7A0.6010007@steamengine.com.au>

I know that we seem like a small backwater but there are millions of 
people in "Melbourne". Which part of Melbourne does he live in?

Paul (who also lives in "Melbourne" - more or less :).



Jerry Evans wrote:
> Hi All,
>         A while back I mentioned a friend who was emigrating to Aus. 
> Well he's there now and settled in Melbourne. (Sorry Aussies - you've 
> got another South African there !!! :-))
>         He is keen to hook up with a club in the area and I'd 
> appreciate some contact names and addresses.
>         His name is David Nel <david.nel.aviation at gmail.com> and his 
> interests are stationary engines, cars (Mustang) and flying (he builds 
> aircraft and is the owner of the SAAB Safir that I recently posted 
> about). <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/saab/index.htm>
>         Any contacts in the area will be appreciated.
> Many thanks.
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Wed Apr 15 04:55:09 2009
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:55:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Australian contacts - Melbourne
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090415122654.02310048@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <33D3FC078597440C98E0EA6A54A12890@Edd>

Hay Jerry.Did you get the Victor book yet.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:48 PM
Subject: [SEL] Australian contacts - Melbourne


> Hi All,
>         A while back I mentioned a friend who was emigrating to Aus. Well
> he's there now and settled in Melbourne. (Sorry Aussies - you've got
> another South African there !!! :-))
>         He is keen to hook up with a club in the area and I'd appreciate
> some contact names and addresses.
>         His name is David Nel <david.nel.aviation at gmail.com> and his
> interests are stationary engines, cars (Mustang) and flying (he builds
> aircraft and is the owner of the SAAB Safir that I recently posted about).
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/saab/index.htm>
>         Any contacts in the area will be appreciated.
> Many thanks.
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Apr 15 10:58:14 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:58:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Manual
In-Reply-To: <20090414.202425.1508.5.jlb94>
References: <20090414.202425.1508.5.jlb94>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS1C39AB537FEC7FCE6C6EBBB7D0@phx.gbl>

Looked thru my owners manuals as I don't ever remember throwing any away, 
Pip.  But no luck..only the new one was there.

What seems to be the problem?
RickinMt.


>
> At present I am looking for a "Use & Care" Manual for a Sears Microwave
> made in 1972.
>
> Nomenclature # 564.9998011
> Model # 99901
> Manufacturer # 564W
> Sereal # 9W2270248
> Patent # 3396342
> Use & Care Manual # 11028
>
> If anyone has one laying around. I have exhausted all my resources. 



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr 15 15:02:55 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:02:55 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum on UTube
Message-ID: <007a01c9be15$efa505d0$3a290556@intrepid>

If you wish to enjoy engines you cannot afford for an hour, go to
http://www.youtube.com/ and put  "Anson Engine Museum" into 
the search box. (without the asterisks)
About 25 good video's, The latest from this Easter!

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr 15 15:36:27 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:36:27 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum on UTube
References: <007a01c9be15$efa505d0$3a290556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <009501c9be1a$a0d8a6f0$3a290556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "atis" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:02 PM
Subject: Anson Engine Museum on UTube


> If you wish to enjoy engines you cannot afford for an hour, go to
> http://www.youtube.com/ and put  "Anson Engine Museum" into 
> the search box. (without the asterisks)
> About 25 good video's, The latest from this Easter!
> Dave Croft

I am showing my ignorance as usual!
When I said "Asterisks" I should have said "Quotation Marks"
It works with & without but if you use the quotation marks you only get a few of the video's.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From rotigel at me.com  Wed Apr 15 17:57:11 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:57:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum on UTube
In-Reply-To: <009501c9be1a$a0d8a6f0$3a290556@intrepid>
References: <007a01c9be15$efa505d0$3a290556@intrepid>
	<009501c9be1a$a0d8a6f0$3a290556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <0CD5B91C-8EC6-4ADB-AF64-E6600E064360@me.com>

> I am showing my ignorance as usual!
> When I said "Asterisks" I should have said "Quotation Marks"
> It works with & without but if you use the quotation marks you only  
> get a few of the video's.
> Dave Croft

Hell Dave, I always thought it was "asteri." 


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 15 19:52:09 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:52:09 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum on UTube
Message-ID: <24102921.1239850329817.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Thank yo Dave, those are worth watching.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
>Sent: Apr 15, 2009 3:02 PM
>To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Cc: atis <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum on UTube
>
>If you wish to enjoy engines you cannot afford for an hour, go to
>http://www.youtube.com/ and put  "Anson Engine Museum" into 
>the search box. (without the asterisks)
>About 25 good video's, The latest from this Easter!
>
>Dave Croft
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Apr 15 19:56:59 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:56:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Manual
Message-ID: <20090415.231328.1484.9.jlb94>

What seems to be the problem?
RickinMt.
=        =        =        =        =        
Thanks for your help Rick,

No real problem.  My micro went south and I bought this one throught the
PennySaver.

It works fine but I don't know how to use all the features.


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From jon at sideshaft.com  Wed Apr 15 20:25:34 2009
From: jon at sideshaft.com (Jon Rozevink)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:25:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1239811202.6505.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <LPEOJIEEKCJPAJKCNEGAMEJLDIAA.jon@sideshaft.com>

Hey Tom
Where did your Fairbanks NB come from?? The Carolina's?? Maybe it was down
there down there for a little while but it spent more time in Defiance Ohio,
with a couple different owners in the that town I might add.  LOL   I think
you got the GSM from me also come to think about it.. I'll take credit when
its due..... :)  Sorry I had to call you out on that one....

Thanks
Jon Rozevink
1717 East Second St
Defiance, Ohio 43512
419-789-1159
www.sideshaft.com








From marinesurveys at msn.com  Thu Apr 16 02:22:45 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 05:22:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum on UTube
In-Reply-To: <0CD5B91C-8EC6-4ADB-AF64-E6600E064360@me.com>
References: <007a01c9be15$efa505d0$3a290556@intrepid>
	<009501c9be1a$a0d8a6f0$3a290556@intrepid> 
	<0CD5B91C-8EC6-4ADB-AF64-E6600E064360@me.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W51001BB6CE4C36E3A996B9B47A0@phx.gbl>


Hi all, heres a link to 120 Vids from what dave posted, Very good 

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=78B60D41F866817A

 



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> From: rotigel at me.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:57:11 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum on UTube
> 
> > I am showing my ignorance as usual!
> > When I said "Asterisks" I should have said "Quotation Marks"
> > It works with & without but if you use the quotation marks you only 
> > get a few of the video's.
> > Dave Croft
> 
> Hell Dave, I always thought it was "asteri." 
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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Apr 16 05:19:47 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:19:47 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
Message-ID: <d40.3d51ab33.37187c63@aol.com>

Nothing but love for old friends.
KK
 
 
In a message dated 4/15/2009 11:51:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jon at sideshaft.com writes:

Hey  Tom
Where did your Fairbanks NB come from?? The Carolina's?? Maybe it was  down
there down there for a little while but it spent more time in Defiance  
Ohio,
with a couple different owners in the that town I might add.   LOL   I think
you got the GSM from me also come to think about  it.. I'll take credit when
its due..... :)  Sorry I had to call you  out on that one....

Thanks
Jon Rozevink
1717 East Second  St
Defiance, Ohio  43512
419-789-1159
www.sideshaft.com


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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Apr 16 05:41:35 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:41:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <d40.3d51ab33.37187c63@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AD41EB0C006F4B008AD4ADC163D71C18@tommyd0x52gkco>

Well Kevin, the only thing I know is I used to own that darn thing.  I
got it out of Arkansas several years ago.  I got 2 at the same place.
One was an 8 Hit and Miss and the other was an 8 throttler.  Mike
O'Malley got the hit and miss from me and I sold the throttler to a gent
in NC.  Then Jon (or Tom) got it from NC..... Some of this old iron has
traveled many miles!!  There was at least 3 of the engines at the Hart,
TX auction that I used to own.  One was the 4 HP Fairbanks. I got it out
of Canada in the mid 80's.  The Shippensburg I got out of Iowa in about
'88.  I think I paid $600 for the 4 HP and traded a wagon for the
Shippensburg.  The good old days!!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:20 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)

Nothing but love for old friends.
KK
 
 
In a message dated 4/15/2009 11:51:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jon at sideshaft.com writes:

Hey  Tom
Where did your Fairbanks NB come from?? The Carolina's?? Maybe it was
down
there down there for a little while but it spent more time in Defiance  
Ohio,
with a couple different owners in the that town I might add.   LOL   I
think
you got the GSM from me also come to think about  it.. I'll take credit
when
its due..... :)  Sorry I had to call you  out on that one....

Thanks
Jon Rozevink
1717 East Second  St
Defiance, Ohio  43512
419-789-1159
www.sideshaft.com


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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 16 05:42:20 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:42:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <LPEOJIEEKCJPAJKCNEGAMEJLDIAA.jon@sideshaft.com>
References: <mailman.1.1239811202.6505.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<LPEOJIEEKCJPAJKCNEGAMEJLDIAA.jon@sideshaft.com>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W33CB1A1DA6DB7752114CD2C27A0@phx.gbl>


Yes Jon, it did pass thru your hands but it came from NC.   You kinda were like Walmart, just get em from somewhere and re-distribute  :)  lol

 

Tom
 
> From: jon at sideshaft.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:25:34 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
> 
> Hey Tom
> Where did your Fairbanks NB come from?? The Carolina's?? Maybe it was down
> there down there for a little while but it spent more time in Defiance Ohio,
> with a couple different owners in the that town I might add. LOL I think
> you got the GSM from me also come to think about it.. I'll take credit when
> its due..... :) Sorry I had to call you out on that one....
> 
> Thanks
> Jon Rozevink
> 1717 East Second St
> Defiance, Ohio 43512
> 419-789-1159
> www.sideshaft.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Apr 16 05:57:59 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:57:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W33CB1A1DA6DB7752114CD2C27A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <FA27DD81D7FB458283BB73CE1C989746@tommyd0x52gkco>

Ahhh, yes.  The "middleman".  I think Webster's describes this person as
"The one who profits most from a business transaction or sale".  Sadly,
I'm always the "bottom man" which Webster's describes as "The one who
most benefits others through unselfish business transactions".  I may
have a different version of Webster's than most of you though...

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




Yes Jon, it did pass thru your hands but it came from NC.   You kinda
were like Walmart, just get em from somewhere and re-distribute  :)  lol

 

Tom




From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Apr 16 06:11:20 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:11:20 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
Message-ID: <cb2.52bc00e8.37188878@aol.com>

Tommy, You know its just a big power struggle over yonder in Ohio. Dam  
kids.
KK
 
 
In a message dated 4/16/2009 8:44:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

Well  Kevin, the only thing I know is I used to own that darn thing.  I
got  it out of Arkansas several years ago.  I got 2 at the same place.
One  was an 8 Hit and Miss and the other was an 8 throttler.  Mike
O'Malley  got the hit and miss from me and I sold the throttler to a gent
in  NC.  Then Jon (or Tom) got it from NC..... Some of this old iron  has
traveled many miles!!  There was at least 3 of the engines at the  Hart,
TX auction that I used to own.  One was the 4 HP Fairbanks. I  got it out
of Canada in the mid 80's.  The Shippensburg I got out of  Iowa in about
'88.  I think I paid $600 for the 4 HP and traded a  wagon for the
Shippensburg.  The good old  days!!

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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Apr 16 06:18:52 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:18:52 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
Message-ID: <c7a.54947ab6.37188a3c@aol.com>

I have a good friend that always said. (My daddy was into a fast woman and  
a slow race horses). He never had a penny to his name. 
I have always told Jon and Tom its better to give than receive. There  
having issues with this or there not listening. So the next best thing.  I will 
run down to Rite Aid and get some Q Tips so they can clean those  ears up a 
bit. Think this will help?
KK
 
 
In a message dated 4/16/2009 9:04:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

Ahhh,  yes.  The "middleman".  I think Webster's describes this person  as
"The one who profits most from a business transaction or sale".   Sadly,
I'm always the "bottom man" which Webster's describes as "The one  who
most benefits others through unselfish business transactions".  I  may
have a different version of Webster's than most of you  though...

Tommy Turner
Magnolia,  KY

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From kimmell at verizon.net  Thu Apr 16 06:17:19 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:17:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W33CB1A1DA6DB7752114CD2C27A0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.1.1239811202.6505.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<LPEOJIEEKCJPAJKCNEGAMEJLDIAA.jon@sideshaft.com>
	<BLU102-W33CB1A1DA6DB7752114CD2C27A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0KI7003VR3L3TYMC@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>

Sounds like me, but with cars... LOL

-Tony


At 07:42 AM 4/16/2009, you wrote:
>Yes Jon, it did pass thru your hands but it came from NC.   You 
>kinda were like Walmart, just get em from somewhere and re-distribute  :)  lol
>
>Tom




From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 16 06:33:42 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:33:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <c7a.54947ab6.37188a3c@aol.com>
References: <c7a.54947ab6.37188a3c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W50C17F0A64754724300A13C27A0@phx.gbl>


Good one Kevin,  LOL

 

Tom
 
> From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:18:52 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
> 
> I have a good friend that always said. (My daddy was into a fast woman and 
> a slow race horses). He never had a penny to his name. 
> I have always told Jon and Tom its better to give than receive. There 
> having issues with this or there not listening. So the next best thing. I will 
> run down to Rite Aid and get some Q Tips so they can clean those ears up a 
> bit. Think this will help?
> KK
> 
> 
> In a message dated 4/16/2009 9:04:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:
> 
> Ahhh, yes. The "middleman". I think Webster's describes this person as
> "The one who profits most from a business transaction or sale". Sadly,
> I'm always the "bottom man" which Webster's describes as "The one who
> most benefits others through unselfish business transactions". I may
> have a different version of Webster's than most of you though...
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
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> $479 
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Thu Apr 16 08:06:06 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:06:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <c7a.54947ab6.37188a3c@aol.com>
References: <c7a.54947ab6.37188a3c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0KI7005PK8MFZZXT@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>

At 08:18 AM 4/16/2009, you wrote:
>I have a good friend that always said. (My daddy was into a fast 
>woman and  a slow race horses). He never had a penny to his name.


Natural gas Vern!  Kinda like your first wife: Hot, fast and 
cheap!  Knowutimean?

;-)

-Tony



From rotigel at me.com  Thu Apr 16 09:57:17 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:57:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <AD41EB0C006F4B008AD4ADC163D71C18@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <AD41EB0C006F4B008AD4ADC163D71C18@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <DBA00B91-1CF7-4EA8-BD0D-44C7C9037EB0@me.com>


On Apr 16, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> Well Kevin, the only thing I know is I used to own that darn thing.
> Tommy Turner

Hi Mr. Judge, What you have never known (until now) is that I bought  
the damned thing NEW!
	Dave


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Apr 16 10:43:26 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:43:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <DBA00B91-1CF7-4EA8-BD0D-44C7C9037EB0@me.com>
Message-ID: <A93BAD2E73F3403E896E131AE9C34B2D@tommyd0x52gkco>

Wow Dave.  I knew you looked old... just not THAT OLD! (I guess that's a
compliment).

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David
Rotigel
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:57 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)


On Apr 16, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> Well Kevin, the only thing I know is I used to own that darn thing.
> Tommy Turner

Hi Mr. Judge, What you have never known (until now) is that I bought  
the damned thing NEW!
	Dave
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu Apr 16 11:03:19 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:03:19 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <A93BAD2E73F3403E896E131AE9C34B2D@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <A93BAD2E73F3403E896E131AE9C34B2D@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <C4B50AAC-6B6A-41FC-8078-9D1737EA504B@rustyiron.com>


On Apr 16, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> Wow Dave.  I knew you looked old... just not THAT OLD! (I guess  
> that's a
> compliment).


Hey, Tommy.  Dave does a daily rubdown with linseed oil
and ATF to achieve his weathered, but well-kept patina.








From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Apr 16 11:21:40 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:21:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <C4B50AAC-6B6A-41FC-8078-9D1737EA504B@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <5D728565D2B74E34831507FA38CB00A0@tommyd0x52gkco>

Yeah Rob, we've learned that ATF is very effective against corrosion and
linseed oil is a great preservative.  Dave's got a double plus though.
Alcohol is also a good preservative.  I'd bet Dave's "innerds" are as
good as new!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Skinner
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:03 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)


On Apr 16, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> Wow Dave.  I knew you looked old... just not THAT OLD! (I guess  
> that's a
> compliment).


Hey, Tommy.  Dave does a daily rubdown with linseed oil
and ATF to achieve his weathered, but well-kept patina.






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From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Apr 16 14:06:41 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:06:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <C4B50AAC-6B6A-41FC-8078-9D1737EA504B@rustyiron.com>
References: <A93BAD2E73F3403E896E131AE9C34B2D@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<C4B50AAC-6B6A-41FC-8078-9D1737EA504B@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <20090416210638.A95553E447C@mail05.wcoil.com>

At 02:03 PM 4/16/2009, you wrote:

>On Apr 16, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
> > Wow Dave.  I knew you looked old... just not THAT OLD! (I guess
> > that's a
> > compliment).
>
>From: Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com>
>Hey, Tommy.  Dave does a daily rubdown with linseed oil
>and ATF to achieve his weathered, but well-kept patina.

And its applied by a Geisha Girl of the exotic type!        Mark

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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Apr 16 15:08:31 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:08:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <20090416210638.A95553E447C@mail05.wcoil.com>
References: <A93BAD2E73F3403E896E131AE9C34B2D@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<C4B50AAC-6B6A-41FC-8078-9D1737EA504B@rustyiron.com>
	<20090416210638.A95553E447C@mail05.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <9D2794C6-5AB0-43FD-B376-E2E5FB14D34D@me.com>

>>
>
> And its applied by a Geisha Girl of the exotic type!        Mark
>
> Mark Shulaw

Almost right Mark--but the word is EROTIC!
	Dave


From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Apr 16 19:33:55 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:33:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <9D2794C6-5AB0-43FD-B376-E2E5FB14D34D@me.com>
References: <A93BAD2E73F3403E896E131AE9C34B2D@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<C4B50AAC-6B6A-41FC-8078-9D1737EA504B@rustyiron.com>
	<20090416210638.A95553E447C@mail05.wcoil.com>
	<9D2794C6-5AB0-43FD-B376-E2E5FB14D34D@me.com>
Message-ID: <20090417023352.6F4AC1D0CB7@mail04.wcoil.com>

At 06:08 PM 4/16/2009, you wrote:
> >>
> >
> > And its applied by a Geisha Girl of the exotic type!        Mark
> >
> > Mark Shulaw
>
>Almost right Mark--but the word is EROTIC!
>         Dave

With a geisha that goes unsaid,   ;-) 



From marinesurveys at msn.com  Fri Apr 17 02:21:53 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 05:21:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] BACC's 35th Annual Gas & Seam Engine Show
In-Reply-To: <E009AE52A0E04CF4ABB28268C8150DEC@JIMDUNMYER>
References: <E009AE52A0E04CF4ABB28268C8150DEC@JIMDUNMYER>
Message-ID: <COL106-W34F104B333062B615F7BFBB47B0@phx.gbl>


Hi all;

I've been on a quest to find any info on early 1900's US Navy 

2 Cycle marine engines, someone provided a pic of the same Engine I have

that was my dad's in a boat when I was younger that was seen @ a show

at Mystic Seaport Ct.

 

If any one happens to see this @ the BACC's 35th Annual Gas & Seam Engine Show

I would love to contact the owner, for further info on his engine.

 

Thanks for any help / info out there.

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm         

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 


From: jdunmyer at toltbbs.com
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: Fw: BACC's 35th Annual Gas & Seam Engine Show
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:01:28 -0400




 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Belltown Antique Car Club 
To: R.J. Phil 
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:23 AM
Subject: BACC's 35th Annual Gas & Seam Engine Show





Hi - 
   This is a reminder that the Belltown Antique Car Club will be holding our 35th Annual Gas & Steam Engine Show on Sunday April 26 at the Firemans Grounds, Rt 16 at the Salmon River State Forest in East Hampton, CT. Many beautiful examples of antique engines and tractors will be on display, some of them giving running demonstrations. If you love antique engines, this is one of the first shows of the year, a real must-see. For more information and directions, please visit our website at http://www.belltownantiquecarclub.org . Thanks very much !! 

r.j. phil, webmaster 
860-267-4617

http://www.belltownantiquecarclub.org




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Apr 17 05:47:01 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:47:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS2EB478BBA1EC9F1D60CCFBB7B0@phx.gbl>


  And a very Happy Birthday to Mr. Paul Maples on this fine day!!  Thanks 
for what you do and have a Good One.

Ya got a year on me Paul.

RickinMt. 



From gastzt at aol.com  Fri Apr 17 05:59:50 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:59:50 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday
Message-ID: <c28.54094f56.3719d746@aol.com>

wonder if Paul is any kin to Mr. Hugh Maples over in Seguin,  Texas???  He 
used to ba an electrician years ago!!!!
  Stan,
Pleasanton, Tx
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Apr 17 06:06:36 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:06:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DS2EB478BBA1EC9F1D60CCFBB7B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY113-DS2EB478BBA1EC9F1D60CCFBB7B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090417130633.236553A8403@mail03.wcoil.com>

At 08:47 AM 4/17/2009, you wrote:

>   And a very Happy Birthday to Mr. Paul Maples on this fine day!!  Thanks
>for what you do and have a Good One.
>
>Ya got a year on me Paul.
>
>RickinMt.

Seems Paul and I share a month and day in history. Happy BD 
Paul.           Mark


Mark Shulaw
Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601





From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 17 18:39:02 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:39:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday
References: <c28.54094f56.3719d746@aol.com>
Message-ID: <95BF9AD83514477FB8229C6C4CB4373E@PAUL>

No Stan as far as I know I am no relation to Hugh Maples.

Paul

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Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday


wonder if Paul is any kin to Mr. Hugh Maples over in Seguin,  Texas???  He
used to ba an electrician years ago!!!!
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 17 18:39:43 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:39:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday
References: <BAY113-DS2EB478BBA1EC9F1D60CCFBB7B0@phx.gbl>
	<20090417130633.236553A8403@mail03.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <CEED45C0EEF149A79A0008B8F0E7275E@PAUL>

Back at you Mark.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday


> At 08:47 AM 4/17/2009, you wrote:
>
>>   And a very Happy Birthday to Mr. Paul Maples on this fine day!!  Thanks
>>for what you do and have a Good One.
>>
>>Ya got a year on me Paul.
>>
>>RickinMt.
>
> Seems Paul and I share a month and day in history. Happy BD
> Paul.           Mark
>
>
> Mark Shulaw
> Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 17 18:38:23 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:38:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday
References: <BAY113-DS2EB478BBA1EC9F1D60CCFBB7B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <293991F3694C4268BA0CF3874CF9428E@PAUL>

Thanks Rick for remembering me, it is nice to know that you are thought of 
in far away places.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 6:47 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday


>
>  And a very Happy Birthday to Mr. Paul Maples on this fine day!!  Thanks 
> for what you do and have a Good One.
>
> Ya got a year on me Paul.
>
> RickinMt.
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Fri Apr 17 18:01:12 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:01:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday
References: <BAY113-DS2EB478BBA1EC9F1D60CCFBB7B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000e01c9bfc1$2b1f6180$66674b47@mikecomp>

Way to go Paul, many more to come!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday


> 
>  And a very Happy Birthday to Mr. Paul Maples on this fine day!!  Thanks 
> for what you do and have a Good One.
> 
> Ya got a year on me Paul.
> 
> RickinMt. 
> 
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 17 19:09:43 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:09:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday
References: <BAY113-DS2EB478BBA1EC9F1D60CCFBB7B0@phx.gbl>
	<000e01c9bfc1$2b1f6180$66674b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <871275D66FEF4BBA8F444E1324C8CB7B@PAUL>

Thanks Mike,
Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday


> Way to go Paul, many more to come!
> 
> MR
> 


From rotigel at me.com  Fri Apr 17 21:26:06 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:26:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <C4B50AAC-6B6A-41FC-8078-9D1737EA504B@rustyiron.com>
References: <A93BAD2E73F3403E896E131AE9C34B2D@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<C4B50AAC-6B6A-41FC-8078-9D1737EA504B@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <860653EC-D22F-49E8-8CD9-923F7A7CFE94@me.com>


On Apr 16, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Rob Skinner wrote:
>>
> Hey, Tommy.  Dave does a daily rubdown with linseed oil
> and ATF to achieve his weathered, but well-kept patina.


It's NOT the mixture that's important Rob, it's who's doing the rubbing!
	Dave


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Apr 18 23:01:50 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:01:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
Message-ID: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>

Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Apr 18 23:44:57 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:44:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>

Last week, I phoned the sec. of the Hunter Valley club and told him I would 
be attending Steamfest at Maitland. I asked him to save me a space for 5 
models.
I duly arrived Sat morning at 8.30am, to find the site full,  with exhibits 
spread to fill the site. On asking the sec, "Did you not save me a place", I 
was told, "I dont save any space for anyone".
I then returned home.
Now, I ask, Is this the way to have a club go?
The facts above ARE as they occurred.
I made NO further comment. I just left.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 4:01 PM
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics


> Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>
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From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Sun Apr 19 00:26:05 2009
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:26:05 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
	<86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
Message-ID: <49EAD20D.4010600@optusnet.com.au>

R & M Ingold wrote:
> Last week, I phoned the sec. of the Hunter Valley club and told him I would 
> be attending Steamfest at Maitland. I asked him to save me a space for 5 
> models.
> I duly arrived Sat morning at 8.30am, to find the site full,  with exhibits 
> spread to fill the site. On asking the sec, "Did you not save me a place", I 
> was told, "I dont save any space for anyone".
> I then returned home.
> Now, I ask, Is this the way to have a club go?
> The facts above ARE as they occurred.
> I made NO further comment. I just left.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>   
Reg, if you'd like to come to the 13th National Rally at Fairbridge 
Farm, here (near Perth)  in September 2011, we'll make sure you have a 
good space and you can be assured of good old Western Australian 
hospitality.

Jack



From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Sun Apr 19 00:46:25 2009
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:46:25 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <49EAD6D1.2090101@optusnet.com.au>

Patrick wrote:
> Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>   
Thanks Patrick

Always pleased to see pics of engines with blurred flywheel spokes and 
the sight-glass lubricator levers standing to attention.
A few haybales here and there for people to sit on are always welcome, too.

Jack



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Apr 19 02:35:20 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:35:20 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au><86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
	<49EAD20D.4010600@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <2C43E2226A3E48B1A707539CF4A77A7E@REG>

Jack, thanks for the reply.
I am in the middle of a battle of words with the Sec at this time.
Be assured that I will pass it all on.

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics


>R & M Ingold wrote:
>> Last week, I phoned the sec. of the Hunter Valley club and told him I 
>> would
>> be attending Steamfest at Maitland. I asked him to save me a space for 5
>> models.
>> I duly arrived Sat morning at 8.30am, to find the site full,  with 
>> exhibits
>> spread to fill the site. On asking the sec, "Did you not save me a 
>> place", I
>> was told, "I dont save any space for anyone".
>> I then returned home.
>> Now, I ask, Is this the way to have a club go?
>> The facts above ARE as they occurred.
>> I made NO further comment. I just left.
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
> Reg, if you'd like to come to the 13th National Rally at Fairbridge
> Farm, here (near Perth)  in September 2011, we'll make sure you have a
> good space and you can be assured of good old Western Australian
> hospitality.
>
> Jack
>
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Apr 19 03:02:01 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:02:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] National Rally Pics
Message-ID: <C61133B9.E55%pml1@bigpond.net.au>

A rainy afternoon here has given me some time to sort out some pics from the
National Rally at Murray Bridge.
These ones were taken by Ron Sullivan:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mb09_1/index.htm

More to come!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Sun Apr 19 03:23:37 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:23:37 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
	<86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
Message-ID: <49EAFBA9.7060200@steamengine.com.au>

Reg, I don't believe you! I believe it happened, but I don't believe you 
didn't make any further comment :).

It is a sad state of affairs. I can understand the not reserving space 
policy - otherwise you get gaps when people don't show, but he should 
have had the courtesy to tell you the policy when you rang him.

Regards
Paul

R & M Ingold wrote:
> Last week, I phoned the sec. of the Hunter Valley club and told him I would 
> be attending Steamfest at Maitland. I asked him to save me a space for 5 
> models.
> I duly arrived Sat morning at 8.30am, to find the site full,  with exhibits 
> spread to fill the site. On asking the sec, "Did you not save me a place", I 
> was told, "I dont save any space for anyone".
> I then returned home.
> Now, I ask, Is this the way to have a club go?
> The facts above ARE as they occurred.
> I made NO further comment. I just left.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>   



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Apr 19 05:20:12 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 08:20:12 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
Message-ID: <d24.46858ed3.371c70fc@aol.com>

Patrick,
 
What a great collection of blow torches. Thanks for all the pictures!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 19 09:29:44 2009
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:29:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
Message-ID: <874662.3509.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Sorry about sending the Wow note to Jerry instead of you. As I said gread job.



?Ron Frost
??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
?
Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise

--- On Sun, 4/19/09, Patrick <pml1 at bigpond.net.au> wrote:


From: Patrick <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>, "Oldengine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 2:01 AM


Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html



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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Apr 19 13:48:00 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:48:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] No Room at the Rally
In-Reply-To: <86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
	<86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
Message-ID: <c699a16ed46d51a55b271beccae01a1f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Reg,

I will NEVER understand the bizarre way that you Aussies & the Brits run your
rallys.  The idea of turning away an exhibitor who turns up with a great engine
exhibit because "the site is full" would just NEVER occur in the US.  You can ALWAYS
shift things around and make room for one more exhibit.

The mind boggles....

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, April 19, 2009 2:44 am, R & M Ingold wrote:
> Last week, I phoned the sec. of the Hunter Valley club and told him I would
> be attending Steamfest at Maitland. I asked him to save me a space for 5
> models.
> I duly arrived Sat morning at 8.30am, to find the site full,  with exhibits
> spread to fill the site. On asking the sec, "Did you not save me a place", I
> was told, "I dont save any space for anyone".
> I then returned home.
> Now, I ask, Is this the way to have a club go?
> The facts above ARE as they occurred.
> I made NO further comment. I just left.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold





From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Apr 19 15:08:35 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:08:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] hunter Steamfest
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au><86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
	<49EAFBA9.7060200@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <9516FEC0DC6344DBA91B9D41AC70E535@REG>

Mate, I really did say nothing at that time.
You might like to read the mail over it.:-

Reg
 You can ask me to save a space for you all you like the answer will be  the
same, I DO NOT SAVE SPACES FOR ANYBODY NEVER HAVE NEVER WILL.
 Regards Ron Smith

Reg
 P.S By the way I'm not your black boy.
 Regards


I did think, as you ARE part of the club executive, that you may have
said I would be there, and, as such a space could have been allocated for
me. I do not regard that as 'Black Boy' stuff.
 Reg

Reg
 I do NOT regard you as SPECIAL fend for yourself
 Regards
 Ron Smith

Ok, lets lay this on the line.
 As an official of the club,and having informed you I would be attending, I
did expect to be able to show.
 I did not think this unreasonable.
 It would appear I was wrong  in this assumption.
 I assume this is now club organisation policy?
 So, to give me guidelines, WHAT IS THE PROCEEDURE for being able to have a
show site?
 I wish to pass this information to others who may wish to exhibit in
future times.
 For your information, I do NOT regard myself as 'Special"
 I just tried to follow what I thought was reasonable proceedure prior to
attending an event.
Reg

I have made my protest. Matter now closed as far as I am concerned.
Perhaps there is a lesson in here for others thinking of attending.




Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Pavlinovich" <pjp08 at steamengine.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics


> Reg, I don't believe you! I believe it happened, but I don't believe you
> didn't make any further comment :).
>
> It is a sad state of affairs. I can understand the not reserving space
> policy - otherwise you get gaps when people don't show, but he should
> have had the courtesy to tell you the policy when you rang him.
>
> Regards
> Paul
>
> R & M Ingold wrote:
>> Last week, I phoned the sec. of the Hunter Valley club and told him I
>> would
>> be attending Steamfest at Maitland. I asked him to save me a space for 5
>> models.
>> I duly arrived Sat morning at 8.30am, to find the site full,  with
>> exhibits
>> spread to fill the site. On asking the sec, "Did you not save me a
>> place", I
>> was told, "I dont save any space for anyone".
>> I then returned home.
>> Now, I ask, Is this the way to have a club go?
>> The facts above ARE as they occurred.
>> I made NO further comment. I just left.
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Apr 19 15:22:56 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:22:56 +0800
Subject: [SEL] No Room at the Rally
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au><86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
	<c699a16ed46d51a55b271beccae01a1f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <907CE77A8855411B88C0F0210F094672@your9e74d7efa7>

Arnie ........rest assured that we are not all like that !Those club people 
that i associate with are quite the opposite ,squeeze them in where you can.
It seems to be the province of little men with beards who carry on this way 
....control freaks!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] No Room at the Rally


> G'day Reg,
>
> I will NEVER understand the bizarre way that you Aussies & the Brits run 
> your
> rallys.  The idea of turning away an exhibitor who turns up with a great 
> engine
> exhibit because "the site is full" would just NEVER occur in the US.  You 
> can ALWAYS
> shift things around and make room for one more exhibit.
>
> The mind boggles....
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Sun, April 19, 2009 2:44 am, R & M Ingold wrote:
>> Last week, I phoned the sec. of the Hunter Valley club and told him I 
>> would
>> be attending Steamfest at Maitland. I asked him to save me a space for 5
>> models.
>> I duly arrived Sat morning at 8.30am, to find the site full,  with 
>> exhibits
>> spread to fill the site. On asking the sec, "Did you not save me a 
>> place", I
>> was told, "I dont save any space for anyone".
>> I then returned home.
>> Now, I ask, Is this the way to have a club go?
>> The facts above ARE as they occurred.
>> I made NO further comment. I just left.
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 19 15:31:00 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:31:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] hunter Steamfest
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au><86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG><49EAFBA9.7060200@steamengine.com.au>
	<9516FEC0DC6344DBA91B9D41AC70E535@REG>
Message-ID: <735ECC304D2940F09240EBA766BCD9CD@PAUL>

WOW Reg, I would say this Ron Smith needs to be put out to pasteur, I sure 
would not want him being part of my club let along an officer of the club.

Like Arnie said earlier in a message, every show I have went to there was 
always room made for anyone who showed up to show regardless of whether they 
advised anyone or not. This kind of action seems strange to us USA engine 
guys.

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] hunter Steamfest


> Mate, I really did say nothing at that time.
> You might like to read the mail over it.:-
>
> Reg
> You can ask me to save a space for you all you like the answer will be 
> the
> same, I DO NOT SAVE SPACES FOR ANYBODY NEVER HAVE NEVER WILL.
> Regards Ron Smith
>
> Reg
> P.S By the way I'm not your black boy.
> Regards



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Apr 19 16:14:16 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:14:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic:  Need a Sprayer?
Message-ID: <c968f596aacc7463dc910a636cd99638.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Spring's here and it's time to spray those trees and shrubs.
And here's the sprayer that you need!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260396538074

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com





From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Sun Apr 19 16:21:25 2009
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:21:25 +1000
Subject: [SEL] hunter Steamfest
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au><86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG><49EAFBA9.7060200@steamengine.com.au><9516FEC0DC6344DBA91B9D41AC70E535@REG>
	<735ECC304D2940F09240EBA766BCD9CD@PAUL>
Message-ID: <13EBF572532C4C56AABECC8910AF59BD@Edd>

Guys.I know REG and RON personally and they are both great blokes.For many 
years I have been to rally's held by the Hunter club and there has never 
been any trouble.Ron has been in the club as long as I can remember.Now all 
that said I didn't go to the rally so cant make a comment on it personally 
but events held by that club are usually very easy on the exhibitors.When 
you arrive you just ask where to go and the answer is usually find a space 
that suits you.Same with safety issues,do as you would with common sense and 
you don't get hassled not like some other rally's where if your engine is 
one inch out of position or you want to go with a friend you are told  what 
you must do.I could just about say with certainty that if I had showed up 
with some engines I would have found a spot and not been turned away.You 
just got to remember that Reg has had on going bad feelings with some people 
in the Hunter club for many years and at times it comes to the surface.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 3649 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] hunter Steamfest


> WOW Reg, I would say this Ron Smith needs to be put out to pasteur, I sure
> would not want him being part of my club let along an officer of the club.
>
> Like Arnie said earlier in a message, every show I have went to there was
> always room made for anyone who showed up to show regardless of whether 
> they
> advised anyone or not. This kind of action seems strange to us USA engine
> guys.
>
> Paul
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 4:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] hunter Steamfest
>
>
>> Mate, I really did say nothing at that time.
>> You might like to read the mail over it.:-
>>
>> Reg
>> You can ask me to save a space for you all you like the answer will be
>> the
>> same, I DO NOT SAVE SPACES FOR ANYBODY NEVER HAVE NEVER WILL.
>> Regards Ron Smith
>>
>> Reg
>> P.S By the way I'm not your black boy.
>> Regards
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From camaned at iinet.net.au  Sun Apr 19 19:37:06 2009
From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:37:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <D2CFB545EB3149ACB93C1689E641A737@CamPC>


Cam and Edina Grundy
Kariong.
New South Wales.
PH 43401214
MOB 0409250803
Australia.


From bethell at internode.on.net  Sun Apr 19 20:26:58 2009
From: bethell at internode.on.net (Jim&Geraldine Bethell)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:26:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Test
In-Reply-To: <D2CFB545EB3149ACB93C1689E641A737@CamPC>
References: <D2CFB545EB3149ACB93C1689E641A737@CamPC>
Message-ID: <71D899D74FF345EFB35FCFFE54FA0FDC@bethelllaptop>

Yes Cam you are working, got home ok from the National?
regards
Jimbo
Jim & Geraldine Bethell
12 Fush Place 
Mildura Victoria 3500
03-50213414
0427-213414
http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cam and Ed" <camaned at iinet.net.au>
To: "SEL MAIL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 12:37 PM
Subject: [SEL] Test


> 
> Cam and Edina Grundy
> Kariong.
> New South Wales.
> PH 43401214
> MOB 0409250803
> Australia.
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From rotigel at me.com  Sun Apr 19 21:46:42 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:46:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
	<86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
Message-ID: <9A3AC962-EE38-43E1-949A-FE8CAE39E4E5@me.com>

Hi Mate, Two questions.
	1.) Did the man ever tell you he would save as space for you? 2. )  
Did he try to find some other space for you when you gt there?
	Dave

On Apr 19, 2009, at 2:44 AM, R & M Ingold wrote:

> Last week, I phoned the sec. of the Hunter Valley club and told him  
> I would
> be attending Steamfest at Maitland. I asked him to save me a space  
> for 5
> models.
> I duly arrived Sat morning at 8.30am, to find the site full,  with  
> exhibits
> spread to fill the site. On asking the sec, "Did you not save me a  
> place", I
> was told, "I dont save any space for anyone".
> I then returned home.
> Now, I ask, Is this the way to have a club go?
> The facts above ARE as they occurred.
> I made NO further comment. I just left.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine"
> <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 4:01 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
>
>
>> Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:
>>
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm
>>
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
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From ilifa at internode.on.net  Sun Apr 19 22:05:24 2009
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:05:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <9A3AC962-EE38-43E1-949A-FE8CAE39E4E5@me.com>
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
	<86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
	<9A3AC962-EE38-43E1-949A-FE8CAE39E4E5@me.com>
Message-ID: <92F60411-F220-4DEE-8D80-BF25446C1F12@internode.on.net>

May I suggest that this engine rally argument stops right now. A  
public forum is not the place to air personal grievances. Would you  
like your name dragged through the mud?

Eric


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Apr 19 23:17:22 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:17:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] National Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <C61133B9.E55%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <C6125092.E8D%pml1@bigpond.net.au>

Another batch of National Rally Pics at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mb09_2/index.htm

These ones were taken by Alan Wheaton. More to come..



Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Sun Apr 19 23:20:29 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:20:29 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <92F60411-F220-4DEE-8D80-BF25446C1F12@internode.on.net>
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>	<86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>	<9A3AC962-EE38-43E1-949A-FE8CAE39E4E5@me.com>
	<92F60411-F220-4DEE-8D80-BF25446C1F12@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <49EC142D.6000807@rustic-engines.com>

Only as an advertising sign on the side of a Field Marshall at a tractor 
pull.

Cheers,

Al Harris
Autumn Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Eric Schulz wrote:
> May I suggest that this engine rally argument stops right now. A  
> public forum is not the place to air personal grievances. Would you  
> like your name dragged through the mud?
>
> Eric
>
>   


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Apr 20 00:26:50 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:26:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au><86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG><9A3AC962-EE38-43E1-949A-FE8CAE39E4E5@me.com>
	<92F60411-F220-4DEE-8D80-BF25446C1F12@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <BE8A0AC56FAC4BE0A23ACB2BA62307D6@REG>

Point taken. I asked for comment because I needed to widen my perspective of 
this. For or against.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Schulz" <ilifa at internode.on.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics


> May I suggest that this engine rally argument stops right now. A
> public forum is not the place to air personal grievances. Would you
> like your name dragged through the mud?
>
> Eric
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Apr 20 00:47:48 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:47:48 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au><86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
	<9A3AC962-EE38-43E1-949A-FE8CAE39E4E5@me.com>
Message-ID: <A8C7E73BA9A04053A39BF91B6249437B@REG>

No to both.
I stand corrected.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics


> Hi Mate, Two questions.
> 1.) Did the man ever tell you he would save as space for you? 2. )  
> Did he try to find some other space for you when you gt there?
> Dave
> 
> On Apr 19, 2009, at 2:44 AM, R & M Ingold wrote:
> 
>> Last week, I phoned the sec. of the Hunter Valley club and told him  
>> I would
>> be attending Steamfest at Maitland. I asked him to save me a space  
>> for 5
>> models.
>> I duly arrived Sat morning at 8.30am, to find the site full,  with  
>> exhibits
>> spread to fill the site. On asking the sec, "Did you not save me a  
>> place", I
>> was told, "I dont save any space for anyone".
>> I then returned home.
>> Now, I ask, Is this the way to have a club go?
>> The facts above ARE as they occurred.
>> I made NO further comment. I just left.
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Patrick" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>> To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine"
>> <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 4:01 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
>>
>>
>>> Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:
>>>
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick M Livingstone
>>> Leichhardt NSW
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Apr 20 02:07:08 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:07:08 +1000
Subject: [SEL] hunter Steamfest
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au><86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG><49EAFBA9.7060200@steamengine.com.au><9516FEC0DC6344DBA91B9D41AC70E535@REG>
	<735ECC304D2940F09240EBA766BCD9CD@PAUL>
Message-ID: <9D8B82EDB9154877B5AB4C5202D853C9@REG>

At this point in time, I wish to say that, having received the reception I 
got at the event, I was 'not happy'.
After sitting back and thinking on it, Mr Smith was not the cause of the 
outcome.
I 'assumed' that I had done the 'right thing'. As such, I judged, on my 
perception of things.
 For that reason, I contacted Mr Smith with my thoughts. Having had feedback 
from those I asked for comments, I accept that my view was less than 
accurate from an ' outside' onlookers view.
As of now, I wish to apologise for asking for views of others on this 
matter.
There are times when other imput helps get a perspective on an event.
In real terms, this is nothing.
My apologies to all who read this 'difference of opinion'.
I apologise to Mr Smith for having put on him, what was not his concern.
I will not put myself in this position in future times.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] hunter Steamfest


> WOW Reg, I would say this Ron Smith needs to be put out to pasteur, I sure
> would not want him being part of my club let along an officer of the club.
>
> Like Arnie said earlier in a message, every show I have went to there was
> always room made for anyone who showed up to show regardless of whether 
> they
> advised anyone or not. This kind of action seems strange to us USA engine
> guys.
>
> Paul
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 4:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] hunter Steamfest
>
>
>> Mate, I really did say nothing at that time.
>> You might like to read the mail over it.:-
>>
>> Reg
>> You can ask me to save a space for you all you like the answer will be
>> the
>> same, I DO NOT SAVE SPACES FOR ANYBODY NEVER HAVE NEVER WILL.
>> Regards Ron Smith
>>
>> Reg
>> P.S By the way I'm not your black boy.
>> Regards
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Apr 20 03:46:50 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:46:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] National Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <C6125092.E8D%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <C6128FBA.EA5%pml1@bigpond.net.au>

A third batch of pics at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mb09_3/index.htm

I will sort the rest out later in the week. There should be enough to keep
you all amused for a while :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From rotigel at me.com  Mon Apr 20 07:20:49 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:20:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <A8C7E73BA9A04053A39BF91B6249437B@REG>
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
	<86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
	<9A3AC962-EE38-43E1-949A-FE8CAE39E4E5@me.com>
	<A8C7E73BA9A04053A39BF91B6249437B@REG>
Message-ID: <57596FAC-1180-4595-A7C9-0283467FA632@me.com>

Hi Reg,
	I don't know of any shows here in the US (with the exception of  
Zolfo) where space is saved for individuals by those who organize the  
show. That being said I also don't know of any show where show  
organizers wouldn't help find space for anyone who arrives at a show  
with an exhibit!
	Dave
PS, My experience, however, is limited--I attend only about 14-16  
shows a tear.

On Apr 20, 2009, at 3:47 AM, R & M Ingold wrote:

> No to both.
> I stand corrected.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
>
>
>> Hi Mate, Two questions.
>> 1.) Did the man ever tell you he would save as space for you? 2. )
>> Did he try to find some other space for you when you gt there?
>> Dave


From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Apr 20 07:16:44 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:16:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Re:  No Room at the Rally
Message-ID: <20090420.101701.1532.3.jlb94>


This happened to a Model Exhibitor at Portersville, PA a couple years
ago.
He came to me bitching (cause I was the one he knows) and said they
didn't have a model table.
I said, "Hold on - I'll see what I can do".
After talking to the manager of the Engine Lot, we found a spot for this
guy to set up a table.

Being involved with several shows, I find that some people feel they have
"authority" and actually have none.
It's always good to talk to more than one person.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/     "If you want to test your memory - 
   (_o_)       Try to remember the things that worried you yesterday."
 
 
G'day Reg,
 
I will NEVER understand the bizarre way that you Aussies & the Brits run
your
rallys.  The idea of turning away an exhibitor who turns up with a great
engine
exhibit because "the site is full" would just NEVER occur in the US.  You
can ALWAYS
shift things around and make room for one more exhibit.
 
The mind boggles....
 
See ya,  Arnie
 
On Sun, April 19, 2009 2:44 am, R & M Ingold wrote:
> Last week, I phoned the sec. of the Hunter Valley club and told him I
would
> be attending Steamfest at Maitland. I asked him to save me a space for
5
> models.
> I duly arrived Sat morning at 8.30am, to find the site full,  with
exhibits
> spread to fill the site. On asking the sec, "Did you not save me a
place", I
> was told, "I dont save any space for anyone".
> I then returned home.
> Now, I ask, Is this the way to have a club go?
> The facts above ARE as they occurred.
> I made NO further comment. I just left.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
 
 
 
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Apr 20 08:05:23 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:05:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <20090420150515.2E99576B834C@mail07.wcoil.com>

Great pic, Some really interesting items, I really liked seeing the 
Termaat & Monahan with the patch to the cylinder. I like seeing 
period repairs like that. Shows off someones skills and inventiveness 
to keep a piece working with what one had at hand.   Mark


At 02:01 AM 4/19/2009, you wrote:
>Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Apr 20 09:41:44 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:41:44 +0200
Subject: [SEL] hunter Steamfest
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1240243202.3135.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090420183101.01f69210@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 20/04/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:31:00 -0600
>From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] hunter Steamfest
>
>WOW Reg, I would say this Ron Smith needs to be put out to pasteur,
<big snip>
>Paul

I like your thinking Paul,
         You mean like "boil all the S--T" out of him. <Grin>.

P.S. Sorry Paul, I just could not resist that one :-)
P.P.S. I was told years ago to NEVER correct and old engine guys spelling 
(by an Aussie friend) but this one was just too relevant for me to 
"shuddup" <another big grin>

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
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<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Apr 20 10:48:39 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:48:39 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1240243202.3135.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090420184330.01f10438@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 20/04/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 11
>Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:05:24 +1000
>From: Eric Schulz <ilifa at internode.on.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>May I suggest that this engine rally argument stops right now. A
>public forum is not the place to air personal grievances. Would you
>like your name dragged through the mud?
>Eric

With all due respect Eric - not just yet.
         Remember that many of us only get the Digest version of the SEL 
(Mine has just come in).
         It's very "On Topic" and I feel that this list is a good place to 
air it. Problems like this could affect any one of us and if we never 
discuss them we will be doing the hobby a disservice.
         Talking (or writing) about these problems with your mates is a 
good way of getting opinions and helps us all not get into the same rut in 
future.
         Having read all the replies  (in my digest version) I think that 
there is some pretty good dialogue going on here from both sides. Dave has 
asked very relevant questions, Edd has put forward a very unbiased opinion, 
Arnie and others have commented.
         Is this not relevant to our hobby?
         That's just my "tuppence ha'pennies" worth.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
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From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Apr 20 11:03:10 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:03:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
In-Reply-To: <A428959906674B07B0FA232AD0F3CB25@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <20090414175130.C01814CA664@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
	<A428959906674B07B0FA232AD0F3CB25@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A9E06E4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

Sorry, but this isn't an off topic thread ;-)

The exhaust stack flange on my 12hp Ingeco is held in place by two 1/2"
studs to the engine head.

Unfortunately, the upper stud is missing and the hole is pretty well
stripped out with only a trace of threads still showing.  Only the back
of the hole still has enough thread left to hold a bolt in place when
pulled on by hand.  I'm sure if you put a nut on the stud the little bit
of thread wouldn't hold any pulling force.

I'm debating on how to fix it.

I could coat a 1/2" stud with JB Weld and put in place and let it cure,
hoping it will be strong enough to hold the exhaust stack in place.
Remember there is still one good stud so the JB Welded one is getting
some help from the other stud. 

Or.....

Rethread the stud hole for a 9/16" stud and then cut down the other end
of the stud and thread it for 1/2". (make a stepped stud, assuming the
hardware store doesn't already stock stepped studs)

I'm thinking rethreading for the larger size is probably the better way
to go, but was wondering if anyone has tried the JD Weld method and had
it work?

George


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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Mon Apr 20 11:20:16 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:20:16 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A9E06E4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
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Hi George, Would a Helicoil work? Jimmy, 415 892 0236

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:03 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud

Sorry, but this isn't an off topic thread ;-)

The exhaust stack flange on my 12hp Ingeco is held in place by two 1/2"
studs to the engine head.

Unfortunately, the upper stud is missing and the hole is pretty well
stripped out with only a trace of threads still showing.  Only the back
of the hole still has enough thread left to hold a bolt in place when
pulled on by hand.  I'm sure if you put a nut on the stud the little bit
of thread wouldn't hold any pulling force.

I'm debating on how to fix it.

I could coat a 1/2" stud with JB Weld and put in place and let it cure,
hoping it will be strong enough to hold the exhaust stack in place.
Remember there is still one good stud so the JB Welded one is getting
some help from the other stud. 

Or.....

Rethread the stud hole for a 9/16" stud and then cut down the other end
of the stud and thread it for 1/2". (make a stepped stud, assuming the
hardware store doesn't already stock stepped studs)

I'm thinking rethreading for the larger size is probably the better way
to go, but was wondering if anyone has tried the JD Weld method and had
it work?

George


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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Apr 20 11:31:45 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:31:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A9E06E4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <20090414175130.C01814CA664@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
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Message-ID: <9dea7d7f4bcb19fe119310de62477e1a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

George,  How dare you make an on-topic post?  Bloody radical...

Instead of the JB Weld fix, why not try a Helicoil?
http://www.helicoil.in/helicoil.htm

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, April 20, 2009 2:03 pm, Best, George wrote:
> Sorry, but this isn't an off topic thread ;-)
>
> The exhaust stack flange on my 12hp Ingeco is held in place by two 1/2"
> studs to the engine head.
>
> Unfortunately, the upper stud is missing and the hole is pretty well
> stripped out with only a trace of threads still showing.  Only the back
> of the hole still has enough thread left to hold a bolt in place when
> pulled on by hand.  I'm sure if you put a nut on the stud the little bit
> of thread wouldn't hold any pulling force.
>
> I'm debating on how to fix it.
>
> I could coat a 1/2" stud with JB Weld and put in place and let it cure,
> hoping it will be strong enough to hold the exhaust stack in place.
> Remember there is still one good stud so the JB Welded one is getting
> some help from the other stud.
>
> Or.....
>
> Rethread the stud hole for a 9/16" stud and then cut down the other end
> of the stud and thread it for 1/2". (make a stepped stud, assuming the
> hardware store doesn't already stock stepped studs)
>
> I'm thinking rethreading for the larger size is probably the better way
> to go, but was wondering if anyone has tried the JD Weld method and had
> it work?




From marinesurveys at msn.com  Mon Apr 20 11:22:41 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:22:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
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References: <20090414175130.C01814CA664@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
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Message-ID: <COL106-W6E45DB9897DEA002CAF7DB4760@phx.gbl>


Suggestion, install a heli-coil {stainless Steel } and forget it,

The Exhuast wont be kind to  the J-B.

They also make "Thread-serts " but you need a bigger hole for them.

 

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> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:03:10 -0500
> From: George_Best at adp.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
> 
> Sorry, but this isn't an off topic thread ;-)
> 
> The exhaust stack flange on my 12hp Ingeco is held in place by two 1/2"
> studs to the engine head.
> 
> Unfortunately, the upper stud is missing and the hole is pretty well
> stripped out with only a trace of threads still showing. Only the back
> of the hole still has enough thread left to hold a bolt in place when
> pulled on by hand. I'm sure if you put a nut on the stud the little bit
> of thread wouldn't hold any pulling force.
> 
> I'm debating on how to fix it.
> 
> I could coat a 1/2" stud with JB Weld and put in place and let it cure,
> hoping it will be strong enough to hold the exhaust stack in place.
> Remember there is still one good stud so the JB Welded one is getting
> some help from the other stud. 
> 
> Or.....
> 
> Rethread the stud hole for a 9/16" stud and then cut down the other end
> of the stud and thread it for 1/2". (make a stepped stud, assuming the
> hardware store doesn't already stock stepped studs)
> 
> I'm thinking rethreading for the larger size is probably the better way
> to go, but was wondering if anyone has tried the JD Weld method and had
> it work?
> 
> George
> 
> 
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Apr 20 11:26:38 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:26:38 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
Message-ID: <20090420.112638.1972.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Heli-coil.  I just looked in the drawer.  I have the kit to do it, come
on down and lets fix it.

Ron Haskell
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 20 11:33:19 2009
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:33:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
Message-ID: <421711.50768.qm@web31506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Could you use a helicoil thread insert?
Joe
Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
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--- On Mon, 4/20/09, Best, George <George_Best at adp.com> wrote:

> From: Best, George <George_Best at adp.com>
> Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 1:03 PM
> Sorry, but this isn't an off topic
> thread ;-)
> 
> The exhaust stack flange on my 12hp Ingeco is held in place
> by two 1/2"
> studs to the engine head.
> 
> Unfortunately, the upper stud is missing and the hole is
> pretty well
> stripped out with only a trace of threads still
> showing.? Only the back
> of the hole still has enough thread left to hold a bolt in
> place when
> pulled on by hand.? I'm sure if you put a nut on the
> stud the little bit
> of thread wouldn't hold any pulling force.
> 
> I'm debating on how to fix it.
> 
> I could coat a 1/2" stud with JB Weld and put in place and
> let it cure,
> hoping it will be strong enough to hold the exhaust stack
> in place.
> Remember there is still one good stud so the JB Welded one
> is getting
> some help from the other stud. 
> 
> Or.....
> 
> Rethread the stud hole for a 9/16" stud and then cut down
> the other end
> of the stud and thread it for 1/2". (make a stepped stud,
> assuming the
> hardware store doesn't already stock stepped studs)
> 
> I'm thinking rethreading for the larger size is probably
> the better way
> to go, but was wondering if anyone has tried the JD Weld
> method and had
> it work?
> 
> George
> 
> 
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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Mon Apr 20 11:33:12 2009
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:33:12 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
Message-ID: <ca8.464e3c93.371e19e8@aol.com>

 
Hi George,
I think the determining factor is what temperature  will the stud reach 
when you are operating your 12hp Ingeco.  For repairs  where temperature is not 
excessive I have had good results using  either Devcon Plastic Steel or JB 
Weld.  
 
Acquire a new stud of the original size.  Then,  clean the worn area 
thoroughly including degreasing with something like brake  cleaner or (if you can 
find it, CCl4).  With a wire brush wheel polish the  threads on the new 
stud, then apply a coat of paste wax or other material to  service as a mold 
release.
 
Mix your epoxy and be sure to coat the worn area using  a stirring rod or 
other tool to work the epoxy into the worn area.  Apply  epoxy to the new 
stud and then screw it into the hole, wiping the excess off  before it hardens. 
 After it has set you should be able to screw the new  stud out of the old 
hole (double nut it to get a grip) and find the epoxy has  formed new 
threads.  You can lubricate them with something like moly or,  just leave them 
alone.  
 
I have had success with this method in repairing  stripped threads in water 
cooled engine blocks and, repairing worn axle shafts  where the splines had 
been eroded by salt water.   
 
Hope this helps.
 
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, MO USA
 
In a message dated 4/20/2009 1:15:13 PM Central Daylight Time,  
George_Best at adp.com writes:

Sorry,  but this isn't an off topic thread ;-)

The exhaust stack flange on my  12hp Ingeco is held in place by two 1/2"
studs to the engine  head.

Unfortunately, the upper stud is missing and the hole is pretty  well
stripped out with only a trace of threads still showing.  Only  the back
of the hole still has enough thread left to hold a bolt in place  when
pulled on by hand.  I'm sure if you put a nut on the stud the  little bit
of thread wouldn't hold any pulling force.

I'm debating  on how to fix it.

I could coat a 1/2" stud with JB Weld and put in  place and let it cure,
hoping it will be strong enough to hold the exhaust  stack in place.
Remember there is still one good stud so the JB Welded one  is getting
some help from the other stud. 

Or.....

Rethread  the stud hole for a 9/16" stud and then cut down the other end
of the stud  and thread it for 1/2". (make a stepped stud, assuming the
hardware store  doesn't already stock stepped studs)

I'm thinking rethreading for the  larger size is probably the better way
to go, but was wondering if anyone  has tried the JD Weld method and had
it  work?

George


 
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From curt at rustyiron.com  Mon Apr 20 12:00:47 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:00:47 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A9E06E4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
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	<A428959906674B07B0FA232AD0F3CB25@tommyd0x52gkco>
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George,
You've already gotten several recommendations for HeliCoil inserts and I
echo the same. You might just check one item. Make sure the studs you have
aren't threaded 1/2-12 instead of 1/2-13, lest you ruin a perfectly good
HeliCoil job trying to get them back in. Imagine it would be easy to make
new studs if they are threaded to the old 1/2-12 standard.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


> Sorry, but this isn't an off topic thread ;-)
>
> The exhaust stack flange on my 12hp Ingeco is held in place by two 1/2"
> studs to the engine head.
>
> Unfortunately, the upper stud is missing and the hole is pretty well
> stripped out with only a trace of threads still showing.  Only the back
> of the hole still has enough thread left to hold a bolt in place when
> pulled on by hand.  I'm sure if you put a nut on the stud the little bit
> of thread wouldn't hold any pulling force.
>
> I'm debating on how to fix it.
>
> I could coat a 1/2" stud with JB Weld and put in place and let it cure,
> hoping it will be strong enough to hold the exhaust stack in place.
> Remember there is still one good stud so the JB Welded one is getting
> some help from the other stud.
>
> Or.....
>
> Rethread the stud hole for a 9/16" stud and then cut down the other end
> of the stud and thread it for 1/2". (make a stepped stud, assuming the
> hardware store doesn't already stock stepped studs)
>
> I'm thinking rethreading for the larger size is probably the better way
> to go, but was wondering if anyone has tried the JD Weld method and had
> it work?
>
> George
>
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From gastzt at aol.com  Mon Apr 20 12:02:51 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:02:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
Message-ID: <ca3.4d79d7a2.371e20db@aol.com>

Hey Ron
   Great info--and we all thank you a  bunch!
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Pleasanton, Texas
 
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From curt at rustyiron.com  Mon Apr 20 12:16:47 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:16:47 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <20090420150515.2E99576B834C@mail07.wcoil.com>
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
	<20090420150515.2E99576B834C@mail07.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <59260.168.215.206.73.1240255007.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Patrick,
Thanks for all the great photos!
One that really caught my eye was
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170042_JPG.htm>

the Meadowbank engine. I recall some years ago discussing flywheel engines
with 4 spoke flywheels. One to add to the list.

Was this an Ozzie built engine? Can you tell us more about them?
Curt Holland


>
> At 02:01 AM 4/19/2009, you wrote:
>>Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:
>>
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm
>>





From langer5 at sympatico.ca  Mon Apr 20 13:10:48 2009
From: langer5 at sympatico.ca (Larry Anger)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:10:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
References: <20090414175130.C01814CA664@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com><A428959906674B07B0FA232AD0F3CB25@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A9E06E4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP21A2DE8E72260C3ABCD09797760@phx.gbl>

George - I wouldn't trust the JB fix on an exhaust system. If it were mine I 
would go for a Heli-Coil if there is room to do that or the stepped stud as 
a second choice.  The Heli-Coil will get everything back to proper size and 
is the way industry repairs this kind of problem.

Larry Anger
163926 Brownsville Rd.
R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario
Canada N4G 4G8
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
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Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:03 PM
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud


> Sorry, but this isn't an off topic thread ;-)
>
> The exhaust stack flange on my 12hp Ingeco is held in place by two 1/2"
> studs to the engine head.
>
> Unfortunately, the upper stud is missing and the hole is pretty well
> stripped out with only a trace of threads still showing.  Only the back
> of the hole still has enough thread left to hold a bolt in place when
> pulled on by hand.  I'm sure if you put a nut on the stud the little bit
> of thread wouldn't hold any pulling force.
>
> I'm debating on how to fix it.
>
> I could coat a 1/2" stud with JB Weld and put in place and let it cure,
> hoping it will be strong enough to hold the exhaust stack in place.
> Remember there is still one good stud so the JB Welded one is getting
> some help from the other stud.
>
> Or.....
>
> Rethread the stud hole for a 9/16" stud and then cut down the other end
> of the stud and thread it for 1/2". (make a stepped stud, assuming the
> hardware store doesn't already stock stepped studs)
>
> I'm thinking rethreading for the larger size is probably the better way
> to go, but was wondering if anyone has tried the JD Weld method and had
> it work?
>
> George
>
>
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 20 13:23:59 2009
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:23:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Le Seuer Swapmeet & Hauling
Message-ID: <164945.39759.qm@web31507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


I just wanted to say that I am going to the LeSeuer Swap Meet and would be willing to help haul iron to or from Baraboo. I will be there on Friday, possibly on Saturday. Also, remember that we can usually find room in the shed for temporary storage of old iron passing through.
If I can be of service, my cell number is 608-434-3399.
Later,
Joe
Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan


      


From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Apr 20 14:11:55 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:11:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP21A2DE8E72260C3ABCD09797760@phx.gbl>
References: <20090414175130.C01814CA664@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com><A428959906674B07B0FA232AD0F3CB25@tommyd0x52gkco><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A9E06E4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
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Don't know if I can buy the helicoil repair kits locally or if I'd have
to order them over the internet.  Got a couple auto parts stores and a
really good Ace hardware store in the area.

On my way home from work I'll see if any of them have the helicoil kits,
otherwise I'll give the JB Weld a try first.  Granted the helicoil would
be a stronger repair, but the JB weld is something that can be done
tonight and if it doesn't work I'm not really out anything as the
helicoil can still be used later if needed.

I don't think the heat will be a problem as the stud isn't exposed to
the exhaust and head shouldn't be getting hotter than the JB weld is
rated for.


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From solarrog at pacbell.net  Mon Apr 20 14:23:11 2009
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:23:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A9E0CCE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <20090414175130.C01814CA664@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com><A428959906674B07B0FA232AD0F3CB25@tommyd0x52gkco><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A9E06E4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><BLU0-SMTP21A2DE8E72260C3ABCD09797760@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <B1F544572CE344F6B04D386BBF20B27B@solarrogPC>

My experience is JB weld has never worked at holding anything, it has only 
be good as a sealer or filler. I think your just making a mess than you will 
have to remove later.
My vote is for the heli coil, I have used 100's with great results.
Your mileage may vary.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Stripped stud


> Don't know if I can buy the helicoil repair kits locally or if I'd have
> to order them over the internet.  Got a couple auto parts stores and a
> really good Ace hardware store in the area.
>
> On my way home from work I'll see if any of them have the helicoil kits,
> otherwise I'll give the JB Weld a try first.  Granted the helicoil would
> be a stronger repair, but the JB weld is something that can be done
> tonight and if it doesn't work I'm not really out anything as the
> helicoil can still be used later if needed.
>
> I don't think the heat will be a problem as the stud isn't exposed to
> the exhaust and head shouldn't be getting hotter than the JB weld is
> rated for.
>
>
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From camaned at iinet.net.au  Mon Apr 20 14:35:43 2009
From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:35:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Test
In-Reply-To: <71D899D74FF345EFB35FCFFE54FA0FDC@bethelllaptop>
References: <D2CFB545EB3149ACB93C1689E641A737@CamPC>
	<71D899D74FF345EFB35FCFFE54FA0FDC@bethelllaptop>
Message-ID: <28FAE57355884621A8F1A5CBDE05F1F8@CamPC>

G'day Jim,  Mate we just arrived home Sat, we made it our annual holiday and 
had a ball,  even had a look at the Humphrey Pump running and that was an 
experience. I think it was an excellent Rally and it had a great turnout, it 
was also good to catch up to a few you know and make a few more friends. 
Well Mate look after your health and I will catch you later. Cam.


----- Original Message ----- 

Subject: Re: [SEL] Test


> Yes Cam you are working, got home ok from the National?
> regards
> Jimbo
> Jim & Geraldine Bethell
> 12 Fush Place
> Mildura Victoria 3500
> 03-50213414
> 0427-213414
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> From: "Cam and Ed" <camaned at iinet.net.au>
> To: "SEL MAIL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 12:37 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Test
>
>
>>
>> Cam and Edina Grundy
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Apr 20 14:58:14 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:58:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
In-Reply-To: <ca8.464e3c93.371e19e8@aol.com>
References: <ca8.464e3c93.371e19e8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0379b580e06e1fa4ab4fc6bb20f5cf2e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey Ron,

Those repairs of yours were to Maytag Multimotors which everyone knows never get
above room temperature.  Of course you've had good luck with JB.  8->>

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, April 20, 2009 2:33 pm, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote:
>
> For repairs  where temperature is not
> excessive I have had good results using  either Devcon Plastic Steel or JB
> Weld.





From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Mon Apr 20 15:41:23 2009
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:41:23 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
Message-ID: <d07.51af2949.371e5413@aol.com>

 
Hi Arnie,
Nice guess, but, no.  One was in the block of a  Ford V4 engine in a Saab 
model 95.  It was a low stress problem, merely  holding the thermostat 
housing in place.
 
Another repair was the drive axle of a Fiat 500 which  held for 10,000 
miles at which point I sold the car.  I don't know if the  glue job ever failed. 
 
 
The little Fiat had rear engine/transmission with  swing axles to with rear 
wheel drive.  Those axles were exposed to the  Michigan salt which would 
run down the axle and into the cast iron splines  in the  hubs.  When I bought 
the car one of the hubs had stripped its  splines and the other was loose.  
Both steel axles were badly worn.  I  bought two of the cast iron hubs from 
the Fiat dealer and to avoid  replacing the axles which would require 
dismantling the transmission I  elected to use Devcon Plastic Steel to fit the 
worn axle splines into the new  hub splines.  After curing, I separated used a 
gear puller to separate  them.  I cut two 8" sections of bicycle inner tube 
and, with hose clamps  and moly chassis lube, lubed the splines and clamped 
the grease filled inner  tube over the hub and axle.  It never gave any 
more trouble.  So, a  tube of epoxy, one bicycle inner tube, two $5 cast iron 
hubs, four hose clamps  and some grease and that problem was whipped.
 
That little car had some neat features.  50+ mph,  65 mph top speed, hollow 
drive pulley that served as the only oil filter and the  oil stayed clean, 
two carb jets, one for running and one for choke and if the  main running 
should clog on some dirt, then I could pull the choke lever and  proceed with 
it running nicely.  Oh, that main jet was accessable from the  outside 
needing only an open ended spanner.  I bought it in Ann Arbor ($30)  and sold it 
there two years later for $100.  I wish I still had it.  
 
Ron
PS:  I asked the dealer to sell me a shop  manual.  He couldn't as he 
didn't have any.  I wrote to Fiat in Italy  and they GAVE me the large shop 
manual (in English) and wished me well with my  Fiat.
PPS:  I almost forgot, it had automatic  adjustment for the brake shoes.
 
 
 
In a message dated 4/20/2009 4:54:54 PM Central Daylight Time,  
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

Hey  Ron,

Those repairs of yours were to Maytag Multimotors which everyone  knows 
never get
above room temperature.  Of course you've had good  luck with JB.  8->>

See ya,   Arnie


 
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From rotigel at me.com  Mon Apr 20 18:27:57 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:27:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
Message-ID: <13223957719634196671318024576610568011-Webmail@me.com>

Helicoil SHMLICOIL! George, they didn't make Helicoil's when your Ingeco was built!  If you use a helicoil EVERYONE on the LIST will remember FOREVER that you did not do the job properly! I have just what you need, and will be glad to loan it to you. It's a tap and die set that is 1/32 oversize. It's what every good shop used prior the modern inventions like the helicoil! I bought the set several years ago and later realized what the "+ 1/32" stamped on each piece meant! You would, of course, have to also manufacture a nut that is 1/2 + 1/32. But NOT TO WORRY, I have BOTH the tap AND the die in the set. I will be home from FL on April 30 and could send both to you on May 1st. Let me know if you want to borrow them!
      Dave
PS, No hurry on getting them back to me. I'll likely never use them. I use helicoils!

On Monday, April 20, 2009, at 11:31AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>George,  How dare you make an on-topic post?  Bloody radical...
>
>Instead of the JB Weld fix, why not try a Helicoil?
>http://www.helicoil.in/helicoil.htm
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Mon, April 20, 2009 2:03 pm, Best, George wrote:
>> Sorry, but this isn't an off topic thread ;-)
>>
>> The exhaust stack flange on my 12hp Ingeco is held in place by two 1/2"
>> studs to the engine head.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the upper stud is missing and the hole is pretty well
>> stripped out with only a trace of threads still showing.  Only the back
>> of the hole still has enough thread left to hold a bolt in place when
>> pulled on by hand.  I'm sure if you put a nut on the stud the little bit
>> of thread wouldn't hold any pulling force.
>>
>> I'm debating on how to fix it.
>>
>> I could coat a 1/2" stud with JB Weld and put in place and let it cure,
>> hoping it will be strong enough to hold the exhaust stack in place.
>> Remember there is still one good stud so the JB Welded one is getting
>> some help from the other stud.
>>
>> Or.....
>>
>> Rethread the stud hole for a 9/16" stud and then cut down the other end
>> of the stud and thread it for 1/2". (make a stepped stud, assuming the
>> hardware store doesn't already stock stepped studs)
>>
>> I'm thinking rethreading for the larger size is probably the better way
>> to go, but was wondering if anyone has tried the JD Weld method and had
>> it work?
>
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Apr 20 19:11:12 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:11:12 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D part
Message-ID: <20090420.191112.2092.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all. Where can I get a leather air valve disk for a Schebler D carb?
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Mon Apr 20 19:32:23 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:32:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT Re: Fairbanks parts
In-Reply-To: <49E75785.2000900@coastalnet.com>
References: <49E75785.2000900@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <49ED3037.3030104@rustic-engines.com>

G'day Ken,
Sorry Others,

Ken I sent you an email off list five days back and have not as yet 
received an answer.

I'm concerned that it went astray is all.

Cheers,

Al Harris
Autumn Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Ken Christison wrote:
> Hi Al,
>
> Just checking to see if you found the Fairbanks parts you were looking 
> for.
> I tried to get into your site, but it wouldn't allow me to visit since 
> all I had
> was your email address from which I used www.rustic-engines.com.
>
> I might have some of the parts for the governor arrangement you need.  I
> have a dishpan engine I have had for 40 years.  The gears are all 
> frozen up,
> but I think I can free it all up if it is the right configuration.  It 
> does have the
> diagonal cut gears.
>
> Let me know if you can use these.
>
> Take care.
>
> Ken Christison
> Conway, NC  USA
>
>


From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Mon Apr 20 19:38:36 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:38:36 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D part
In-Reply-To: <20090420.191112.2092.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090420.191112.2092.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <49ED31AC.8080102@rustic-engines.com>

If all else fails drift along the shelves of your local plumbing store. 
Marvelously pliable, rubberized/fibrous sealing materials can be found 
there. Some already the right size for mixers etc. Not kosher I know, 
but ..........

Cheers,

Al Harris
Autumn Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> Hi all. Where can I get a leather air valve disk for a Schebler D carb?
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From george at irontrader.com  Mon Apr 20 22:26:04 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (george at irontrader.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:26:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
In-Reply-To: <d07.51af2949.371e5413@aol.com>
References: <d07.51af2949.371e5413@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090420232604.dbttbhoyog44kkc0@www.100megs28.com>

Well.... on the way home I bought a couple new studs, plus a helicoil kit.

The helicoil kit cost probably as much as a case of JB Weld!  But at  
least I can rethread 7 more 1/2-13 holes if needed.

Welded the pipe to the flange and bolted it up to the Ingeco.  Ran it  
for awhile and it certainly sounds better than comming straight out of  
the head!

Even got to use my Cole drill to drill out the hole for the helicoil insert.



From george at irontrader.com  Mon Apr 20 22:47:00 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (george at irontrader.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:47:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
In-Reply-To: <20090420232604.dbttbhoyog44kkc0@www.100megs28.com>
References: <d07.51af2949.371e5413@aol.com>
	<20090420232604.dbttbhoyog44kkc0@www.100megs28.com>
Message-ID: <20090420234700.72aj6txwsokgo8ww@www.100megs28.com>

If you want to see the Cole drill setup and the new exhaust stack, I  
have loaded a couple pictures on the atis forum.

www.atis.net/forums

George





From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Mon Apr 20 22:48:02 2009
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:48:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
Message-ID: <c67.50b2fdf5.371eb812@aol.com>

 
Hi George,
 
Well!!!  If I had remembered you have a Cole  drill I would have 
recommended you take this opportunity to use it.  Good  for you.
Ron
 
In a message dated 4/21/2009 12:35:09 AM Central Daylight Time,  
george at irontrader.com writes:

Well....  on the way home I bought a couple new studs, plus a helicoil kit.

The  helicoil kit cost probably as much as a case of JB Weld!  But at   
least I can rethread 7 more 1/2-13 holes if needed.

Welded the pipe  to the flange and bolted it up to the Ingeco.  Ran it  
for  awhile and it certainly sounds better than comming straight out of   
the head!

Even got to use my Cole drill to drill out the hole for  the helicoil 
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Apr 20 23:15:49 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:15:49 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <59260.168.215.206.73.1240255007.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <C613A1B5.EEA%pml1@bigpond.net.au>

Hi Curt,
    the Meadowbank is an Australian made copy of the Scottish Melvin engine.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mb09_1/images/100_5841_JPG.jpg
They are interesting with the four spoke flywheels.
Patrick


On 21/4/09 5:16 AM, "curt at rustyiron.com" <curt at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> Patrick,
> Thanks for all the great photos!
> One that really caught my eye was
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170042_JPG.htm>
> 
> the Meadowbank engine. I recall some years ago discussing flywheel engines
> with 4 spoke flywheels. One to add to the list.
> 
> Was this an Ozzie built engine? Can you tell us more about them?
> Curt Holland
> 
> 
>> 
>> At 02:01 AM 4/19/2009, you wrote:
>>> Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:
>>> 
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm
>>> 
> 
> 


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Tue Apr 21 01:45:56 2009
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 04:45:56 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
Message-ID: <d5a.432b1162.371ee1c4@aol.com>

Thanks for the pictures.
 
 
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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Tue Apr 21 02:29:40 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:29:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV-2M Restore project
Message-ID: <COL106-W518F5978322013EF63E72AB4770@phx.gbl>


Hi all;
I'm starting the restore of my Dads Petter AV-2M engine, built in 1956
{I know its not OLD } Whitworth tools would be a GIANT plus.
Anyone here in the states have any they would part with?
 
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From Peterwoodmore at aol.com  Tue Apr 21 05:09:17 2009
From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:09:17 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
Message-ID: <bcb.4b910135.371f116d@aol.com>

Curt
I am lucky enough to have one of those Meadowbank engines althought not yet 
running. They were made in Meadowbank, Sydney, Australia by TheMeadowbank 
Manufacturing Co around 1915. There is not too many of them about and the 
firm closed in 1936. At first they were agents for Melvin engines from Scotland 
and then made a copy under their own name from 3 to 12 hp  They were quite 
a large engineering company making farm implements, Model T Ford 
bodies,rolling stock and made the majority of Trams used in Australia.

Peter Woodmore. 
peterwoodmore at aol.com
Skype name Woadmere


From obise at moscow.com  Tue Apr 21 06:28:45 2009
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:28:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D part
In-Reply-To: <20090420.191112.2092.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200904211329.n3LDStKt084138@mail-gw.fsr.net>

If you have an electric drill and bench grinder you can make your own.  

Punch a hole in a piece of thick leather disk, somewhat larger than what
you'll need.  Then, get a long bolt that is threaded its entire length, two
washers and a nut that fits the bolt.  Insert the bolt in the hole with
washers on both sides.  Snug up the whole "sandwich" with the nut.  

Chuck the bolt in an electric drill.  With the drill running, shape the disk
on a coarse bench grinder wheel, disk sander, belt sander, or whatever.  

It takes longer to tell about it than it does to do it.  

Best regards, 

Orrin

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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Apr 21 07:58:43 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:58:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D part
Message-ID: <20090421.075844.2028.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks for the responses.  But; I have no problem with the leather, it
also has a metal center with threads that will take a lot more time to
make.  I was hoping someone would have a source for ready made parts.

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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Apr 21 09:25:08 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:25:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D part
In-Reply-To: <20090420.191112.2092.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20090421162508.B6BF14054B3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Ron, I may have one for you that I can take from a carb. I notice that they
look similar but are actually different sizes. What is the dia. Of the
intake neck? Cya, Jimmy 
Jim O'Hagan
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Hi all. Where can I get a leather air valve disk for a Schebler D carb?
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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Apr 21 09:56:00 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:56:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?
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For the 2nd year in a row I missed the Tulare show.

I know some of the California members of the list must have been at
Tulare last weekend.

So how was the show?

More or less exhibitors than prior years?


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From solarrog at pacbell.net  Tue Apr 21 10:11:17 2009
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:11:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?
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For the second year in a row I didn't here about the Tulare show till after 
it was over
darn it anyway

Roger DiRuscio
Fremont, Ca 94539
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> For the 2nd year in a row I missed the Tulare show.
>
> I know some of the California members of the list must have been at
> Tulare last weekend.
>
> So how was the show?
>
> More or less exhibitors than prior years?
>
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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Apr 21 10:18:33 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:18:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?
In-Reply-To: <7A3108BE80554481A1B93170DD7657AB@D6R3D961>
References: <49E75785.2000900@coastalnet.com><49ED3037.3030104@rustic-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590AA1779A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
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Roger,

It is always listed in the Coming Events on the W.A.I.T. website.

www.irontrader.com

Also printed in the Coming Events in the printed publication.

George


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Subject: Re: [SEL] Tulare show?

For the second year in a row I didn't here about the Tulare show till
after 
it was over
darn it anyway

Roger DiRuscio
Fremont, Ca 94539


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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Apr 21 10:33:23 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:33:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?
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George, I think the engine and tractor counts were down a little. The
southern Cal. Guys schlepped up a Callahan, Columbus, and a Root &
Vandervoort. The swap meet area grows each year and the poor man's auction
had better quality junk and more of it..Cya, Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
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Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?

For the 2nd year in a row I missed the Tulare show.

I know some of the California members of the list must have been at
Tulare last weekend.

So how was the show?

More or less exhibitors than prior years?


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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Apr 21 10:33:23 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:33:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?
Message-ID: <20090421.103323.288.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 Roger.
If you once sign up, they mail you the information packed two or three
months in advance, and I think it is always the third weekend of April.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
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On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:11:17 -0700 "Roger DiRuscio"
<solarrog at pacbell.net> writes:
> For the second year in a row I didn't here about the Tulare show till 
> after 
> it was over
> darn it anyway
> 
> Roger DiRuscio
> Fremont, Ca 94539
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr 21 10:50:31 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:50:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV-2M Restore project
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W518F5978322013EF63E72AB4770@phx.gbl>
References: <COL106-W518F5978322013EF63E72AB4770@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f5363bdfff764cf125a87eabfb475b0f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Frank,

Check ePay.  They list a gazillion assorted Whitworth spanners, sockets, etc.
I think you could also come up with a horde of sellers on the net with a Google search.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, April 21, 2009 5:29 am, frank skinner wrote:
>
> I'm starting the restore of my Dads Petter AV-2M engine, built in 1956
> {I know its not OLD } Whitworth tools would be a GIANT plus.
> Anyone here in the states have any they would part with?





From solarrog at pacbell.net  Tue Apr 21 10:45:48 2009
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:45:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?
References: <49E75785.2000900@coastalnet.com><49ED3037.3030104@rustic-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590AA1779A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><7A3108BE80554481A1B93170DD7657AB@D6R3D961>
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Hi George Just looked at your site, haven't been there in a while, How come 
the California Dream Machines show this weekend isn't listed there? Half 
Moon Bay. Ca 4/26/09

Roger DiRuscio
Fremont, Ca 94539
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Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tulare show?


> Roger,
>
> It is always listed in the Coming Events on the W.A.I.T. website.
>
> www.irontrader.com
>
> Also printed in the Coming Events in the printed publication.
>
> George
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Roger
> DiRuscio
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:11 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Tulare show?
>
> For the second year in a row I didn't here about the Tulare show till
> after
> it was over
> darn it anyway
>
> Roger DiRuscio
> Fremont, Ca 94539
>
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From george at irontrader.com  Tue Apr 21 11:02:49 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (george at irontrader.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:02:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?
In-Reply-To: <3DB87F0775B54740AD784D4DB149C7EE@D6R3D961>
References: <49E75785.2000900@coastalnet.com><49ED3037.3030104@rustic-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590AA1779A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><7A3108BE80554481A1B93170DD7657AB@D6R3D961>
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Quoting Roger DiRuscio <solarrog at pacbell.net>:

> Hi George Just looked at your site, haven't been there in a while, How come
> the California Dream Machines show this weekend isn't listed there? Half
> Moon Bay. Ca 4/26/09
>
> Roger DiRuscio

Roger,

Thanks for pointing that out.  I know that in prior years we've listed  
that show.  Guess they forgot to contact us this year.  We pretty much  
rely on clubs contacting us to list their shows, when clubs change  
officers or show chairpersons they occasionally drop the ball.

Of course I've been known to have dropped the ball on a few occasions too ;-)



From solarrog at pacbell.net  Tue Apr 21 11:04:01 2009
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:04:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?
References: <20090421.103323.288.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <3B2714E9C60C4C589315C3FF6C960B53@D6R3D961>

I know that Ron, I let my subscription go, The main focus is a little 
different than my collecting interests
after a couple years of not seeing anything that interested me. I'm down to 
a couple flywheel engines, and mainly collect antique marine inboard and 
outboard engines now. WAIT really didn't cover that area.


Roger DiRuscio
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Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tulare show?


> Roger.
> If you once sign up, they mail you the information packed two or three
> months in advance, and I think it is always the third weekend of April.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
>
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:11:17 -0700 "Roger DiRuscio"
> <solarrog at pacbell.net> writes:
>> For the second year in a row I didn't here about the Tulare show till
>> after
>> it was over
>> darn it anyway
>>
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>> Fremont, Ca 94539
>> 510-226-2414 ofc message line
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From obise at moscow.com  Tue Apr 21 11:24:26 2009
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:24:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D part
In-Reply-To: <20090421.075844.2028.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200904211824.n3LIObYx064296@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Mine works fine without the metal center.  I merely made the hole a tight
fit.  

Regards,

Orirn

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
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Thanks for the responses.  But; I have no problem with the leather, it
also has a metal center with threads that will take a lot more time to
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From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:42:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?
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Roger,

Ron was meaning if you register for the Tulare show as an exhibitor,
that the show sends you a packet each year a couple months before the
show so you can request your gate passes, etc.

George

-----Original Message-----
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DiRuscio
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:04 AM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] Tulare show?

I know that Ron, I let my subscription go, The main focus is a little 
different than my collecting interests
after a couple years of not seeing anything that interested me. I'm down
to 
a couple flywheel engines, and mainly collect antique marine inboard and

outboard engines now. WAIT really didn't cover that area.


Roger DiRuscio


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From solarrog at pacbell.net  Tue Apr 21 13:29:25 2009
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:29:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?
References: <20090421.103323.288.4.rdhaskell@juno.com><3B2714E9C60C4C589315C3FF6C960B53@D6R3D961>
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Ok, I didn't know that. Thanks George

Roger DiRuscio
Fremont, Ca 94539
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tulare show?


> Roger,
>
> Ron was meaning if you register for the Tulare show as an exhibitor,
> that the show sends you a packet each year a couple months before the
> show so you can request your gate passes, etc.
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Roger
> DiRuscio
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:04 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Tulare show?
>
> I know that Ron, I let my subscription go, The main focus is a little
> different than my collecting interests
> after a couple years of not seeing anything that interested me. I'm down
> to
> a couple flywheel engines, and mainly collect antique marine inboard and
>
> outboard engines now. WAIT really didn't cover that area.
>
>
> Roger DiRuscio
>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr 21 15:45:01 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:45:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
Message-ID: <8549c826d597e18689a2034daa523627.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Patrick,

Lovely rally pictures as always.  I do have a couple of questions.

I'm guessing that the nifty screen cooler on the two Wolseleys is factory original?
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170092_JPG.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170102_JPG.htm

Is the black thing along the cylinder of that Sunshine the silencer?
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170145_JPG.htm
If so, that's one odd shaped bugger!  How's it sound?  Is it unique like a Petter so
if you heard it you'd say "That's a Sunshine running..."

See ya,  Arnie

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:01 PM
> Subject: Cootamundra Rally Pics
>
>> Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm





From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Tue Apr 21 16:07:32 2009
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:07:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
References: <8549c826d597e18689a2034daa523627.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c9c2d5$f3a9e4b0$0201010a@JBCooper>

Hi Arnie,
Yes that is the silencer. The exhaust comes out the top, the curved piece 
has a gap from one end to the other. Makes more of a "chif-chif" sound 
rather than the normal "bang-bang".
Cheers,
John C. Bega.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics


>
> G'day Patrick,
>
> Lovely rally pictures as always.  I do have a couple of questions.
>
> I'm guessing that the nifty screen cooler on the two Wolseleys is factory 
> original?
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170092_JPG.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170102_JPG.htm
>
> Is the black thing along the cylinder of that Sunshine the silencer?
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170145_JPG.htm
> If so, that's one odd shaped bugger!  How's it sound?  Is it unique like a 
> Petter so
> if you heard it you'd say "That's a Sunshine running..."
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Patrick" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:01 PM
>> Subject: Cootamundra Rally Pics
>>
>>> Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm
>
>
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Apr 21 16:17:39 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:17:39 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
References: <8549c826d597e18689a2034daa523627.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<002b01c9c2d5$f3a9e4b0$0201010a@JBCooper>
Message-ID: <990D0DFA03B848EF8A38439BF4F88BFC@your9e74d7efa7>

Does anyone want a silencer for a Sunshine ....I have one that i am willing 
to swap for a ''fishtail''?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John & Beryl Cooper" <cooperjb at aapt.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics


> Hi Arnie,
> Yes that is the silencer. The exhaust comes out the top, the curved piece
> has a gap from one end to the other. Makes more of a "chif-chif" sound
> rather than the normal "bang-bang".
> Cheers,
> John C. Bega.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
>
>
>>
>> G'day Patrick,
>>
>> Lovely rally pictures as always.  I do have a couple of questions.
>>
>> I'm guessing that the nifty screen cooler on the two Wolseleys is factory
>> original?
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170092_JPG.htm
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170102_JPG.htm
>>
>> Is the black thing along the cylinder of that Sunshine the silencer?
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170145_JPG.htm
>> If so, that's one odd shaped bugger!  How's it sound?  Is it unique like 
>> a
>> Petter so
>> if you heard it you'd say "That's a Sunshine running..."
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Patrick" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:01 PM
>>> Subject: Cootamundra Rally Pics
>>>
>>>> Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm
>>
>>
>>
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From alanwh at iinet.net.au  Tue Apr 21 17:01:13 2009
From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan Wheaton)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:01:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <990D0DFA03B848EF8A38439BF4F88BFC@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <8549c826d597e18689a2034daa523627.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><002b01c9c2d5$f3a9e4b0$0201010a@JBCooper>
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Message-ID: <840728E0A6B54F449E12F7F322F4AEDA@shack>

I would like a fishtail for my 5hp sunshine 
Is there anyone making them?

Alan


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne
Sent: Wednesday, 22 April 2009 9:18 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics

Does anyone want a silencer for a Sunshine ....I have one that i am willing 
to swap for a ''fishtail''?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John & Beryl Cooper" <cooperjb at aapt.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics


> Hi Arnie,
> Yes that is the silencer. The exhaust comes out the top, the curved piece
> has a gap from one end to the other. Makes more of a "chif-chif" sound
> rather than the normal "bang-bang".
> Cheers,
> John C. Bega.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
>
>
>>
>> G'day Patrick,
>>
>> Lovely rally pictures as always.  I do have a couple of questions.
>>
>> I'm guessing that the nifty screen cooler on the two Wolseleys is factory
>> original?
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170092_JPG.htm
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170102_JPG.htm
>>
>> Is the black thing along the cylinder of that Sunshine the silencer?
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170145_JPG.htm
>> If so, that's one odd shaped bugger!  How's it sound?  Is it unique like 
>> a
>> Petter so
>> if you heard it you'd say "That's a Sunshine running..."
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Patrick" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:01 PM
>>> Subject: Cootamundra Rally Pics
>>>
>>>> Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm
>>
>>
>>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Apr 21 17:50:33 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:50:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D part
Message-ID: <20090421.175033.288.16.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks for the reply Jimmy.
This is for Mark Panzone's FriscoStandard.  We noticed it was missing
from his carb while trying to dial it in at Tulare.  It measures 1".  It
is the same as the Cushman binder engine.  I will take the one out of my
Cushman and see how hard it will be to duplicate.  If you have a spare I
would like to purchase it.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell


On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:25:08 -0700 "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
writes:
> Ron, I may have one for you that I can take from a carb. I notice 
> that they
> look similar but are actually different sizes. What is the dia. Of 
> the
> intake neck? Cya, Jimmy 
> Jim O'Hagan
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Apr 21 22:32:14 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:32:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Campbell Oil Engine - HD Video 4U
Message-ID: <31A3058B-DA84-48B2-B425-EAEF9E6FE21B@rustyiron.com>

This afternoon I juiced up Kelley's HD video camera and lit the fire  
under an engine.

Model:  The Samson
Manufacturer:  Campbell
Year:  1907

If you want the HD version with hella good graphics and you have a  
high speed internet connection, go to:  http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Campbell-HD.mp4

If you have a slower processor or internet connection, you can get a  
slightly smaller version from YouTube:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC3ti3Fj-NI 
   YouTube will allow you the option to view in pseudo-HD or regular  
quality.

Hope you dig it.


	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com







From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Apr 21 23:04:40 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:04:40 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <8549c826d597e18689a2034daa523627.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <C614F098.F30%pml1@bigpond.net.au>

Hi Arnie,
    the big black thing is the exhaust silencer or the Sunshine two-stroke.
I am sue one of the silly buggers who like two-strokes can tell you about it
;)
It does give the Sunshines a unique sound.
The Wolseley screen coolers are original factory items. I had not seen one
like it before and there were two at the one rally. The skid mounted one is
one of only a couple that have survived.
Patrick


On 22/4/09 8:45 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> G'day Patrick,
> 
> Lovely rally pictures as always.  I do have a couple of questions.
> 
> I'm guessing that the nifty screen cooler on the two Wolseleys is factory
> original?
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170092_JPG.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170102_JPG.htm
> 
> Is the black thing along the cylinder of that Sunshine the silencer?
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170145_JPG.htm
> If so, that's one odd shaped bugger!  How's it sound?  Is it unique like a
> Petter so
> if you heard it you'd say "That's a Sunshine running..."
> 
> See ya,  Arnie



Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Apr 22 00:43:06 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:43:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Campbell Oil Engine - HD Video 4U
In-Reply-To: <31A3058B-DA84-48B2-B425-EAEF9E6FE21B@rustyiron.com>
References: <31A3058B-DA84-48B2-B425-EAEF9E6FE21B@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <F45576DE329D4875B99BF17D211D9527@KerryPC>

Thanks Rob, nothing like a good English Sideshaft running, the engine looks 
fantastic

Kerry

> This afternoon I juiced up Kelley's HD video camera and lit the fire
> under an engine.
>
> Model:  The Samson
> Manufacturer:  Campbell
> Year:  1907
>



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Apr 22 03:37:46 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:37:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Campbell Oil Engine - HD Video 4U
References: <31A3058B-DA84-48B2-B425-EAEF9E6FE21B@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <001801c9c336$608e0420$66674b47@mikecomp>

Oooooooo, I want it bad!!!!!!!!!!!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: "Stationary-Engine ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Oldengine.org Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 1:32 AM
Subject: [SEL] Campbell Oil Engine - HD Video 4U


> This afternoon I juiced up Kelley's HD video camera and lit the fire
> under an engine.
>
> Model:  The Samson
> Manufacturer:  Campbell
> Year:  1907
>
> If you want the HD version with hella good graphics and you have a
> high speed internet connection, go to: 
> http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Campbell-HD.mp4
>
> If you have a slower processor or internet connection, you can get a
> slightly smaller version from YouTube: 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC3ti3Fj-NI
>   YouTube will allow you the option to view in pseudo-HD or regular
> quality.
>
> Hope you dig it.
>
>
>
> Rob Skinner
> Antique Stationary Engines
> La Habra, California
>
> rob at rustyiron.com
> www.rustyiron.com
>
>
>
>
>
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Apr 22 04:48:01 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:48:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Campbell Oil Engine - HD Video 4U
In-Reply-To: <001801c9c336$608e0420$66674b47@mikecomp>
References: <31A3058B-DA84-48B2-B425-EAEF9E6FE21B@rustyiron.com>
	<001801c9c336$608e0420$66674b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <20090422114753.DBCF9298048@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>

Rob that's a lovely machine.  Mate is it very similar sounding to my 
Campbell even though they are different styles. I wish I had more 
knowledge on how to get a video up of my engine.

PS: I have made a few shots of it but it's on a mini disk, not a 
file. I only seem to be able to play it like a movie on the pc and 
not copy it??
Russ


At 08:37 PM 22/04/2009, you wrote:
>Oooooooo, I want it bad!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>MR
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
>To: "Stationary-Engine ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
>"Oldengine.org Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 1:32 AM
>Subject: [SEL] Campbell Oil Engine - HD Video 4U
>
>
> > This afternoon I juiced up Kelley's HD video camera and lit the fire
> > under an engine.
> >
> > Model:  The Samson
> > Manufacturer:  Campbell
> > Year:  1907
> >
> > If you want the HD version with hella good graphics and you have a
> > high speed internet connection, go to:
> > http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Campbell-HD.mp4
> >
> > If you have a slower processor or internet connection, you can get a
> > slightly smaller version from YouTube:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC3ti3Fj-NI
> >   YouTube will allow you the option to view in pseudo-HD or regular
> > quality.
> >
> > Hope you dig it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob Skinner
> > Antique Stationary Engines
> > La Habra, California
> >
> > rob at rustyiron.com
> > www.rustyiron.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Apr 22 07:45:41 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:45:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Campbell Oil Engine - HD Video 4U
In-Reply-To: <31A3058B-DA84-48B2-B425-EAEF9E6FE21B@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIELPIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Rob:

When you get tired of that noisy old hunk of iron, just let me know and I'll send a truck to pick it up and haul it down here to the Redneck Riviera!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Rob Skinner
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:32 AM
> To: Stationary-Engine ATIS; Oldengine.org Engine
> Subject: [SEL] Campbell Oil Engine - HD Video 4U




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Apr 22 07:24:31 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:24:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <840728E0A6B54F449E12F7F322F4AEDA@shack>
References: <8549c826d597e18689a2034daa523627.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><002b01c9c2d5$f3a9e4b0$0201010a@JBCooper>
	<990D0DFA03B848EF8A38439BF4F88BFC@your9e74d7efa7>
	<840728E0A6B54F449E12F7F322F4AEDA@shack>
Message-ID: <532e37a4d6a90b8c35cb4fcc0b752cc4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

OK Guys, I'll bite.  Wot's a Sunshine "fishtail"?

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, April 21, 2009 8:01 pm, Alan Wheaton wrote:
> I would like a fishtail for my 5hp sunshine
> Is there anyone making them?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of peter ogborne
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 April 2009 9:18 AM
>
> Does anyone want a silencer for a Sunshine ....I have one that i am willing
> to swap for a ''fishtail''?





From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Apr 22 15:34:07 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:34:07 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics....now fish tail.
References: <8549c826d597e18689a2034daa523627.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><002b01c9c2d5$f3a9e4b0$0201010a@JBCooper><990D0DFA03B848EF8A38439BF4F88BFC@your9e74d7efa7><840728E0A6B54F449E12F7F322F4AEDA@shack>
	<532e37a4d6a90b8c35cb4fcc0b752cc4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <B73CA963DF854CC5AFF366FBCEC37D32@your9e74d7efa7>

Arnie ,it is the last bit on the silencer .....as on old m/c 
exhausts.Supposidly reduces the noise ....two needed !
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics


> OK Guys, I'll bite.  Wot's a Sunshine "fishtail"?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Tue, April 21, 2009 8:01 pm, Alan Wheaton wrote:
>> I would like a fishtail for my 5hp sunshine
>> Is there anyone making them?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> On Behalf Of peter ogborne
>> Sent: Wednesday, 22 April 2009 9:18 AM
>>
>> Does anyone want a silencer for a Sunshine ....I have one that i am 
>> willing
>> to swap for a ''fishtail''?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Apr 22 15:52:12 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:52:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Modelers attention
Message-ID: <85152CDCC69542CE91D11946D831DBA2@REG>

As requested.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: George Vaughan 
To: R & M Ingold 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:02 AM
Subject: Modelers attention


I am no longer a member of the SEL due to my health Reg.  I ask kindly that the below be forwarded on to them.  I picked you because I knew you were into model engines.  It is neat and there are videos as well.  Thanks my friend for passing it along. (and yes I know that Tim Christoff is a model nut too, but I just figured that you would find it interesting enough to send it on.)  Have a great Life my Friend!


This is almost beyond comprehension.  Unbelievable.  This man has talents bordering on the supernatural. This goes beyond what most of us can only dream about. And he did it all on a Bridgeport milling machine. Surreal.

After viewing all of the pictures, be sure to catch both of the film clips of it actually running.

http://www.moyermade.com/chevyV8.html


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Apr 22 15:52:12 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:52:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Modelers attention
Message-ID: <85152CDCC69542CE91D11946D831DBA2@REG>

As requested.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: George Vaughan 
To: R & M Ingold 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:02 AM
Subject: Modelers attention


I am no longer a member of the SEL due to my health Reg.  I ask kindly that the below be forwarded on to them.  I picked you because I knew you were into model engines.  It is neat and there are videos as well.  Thanks my friend for passing it along. (and yes I know that Tim Christoff is a model nut too, but I just figured that you would find it interesting enough to send it on.)  Have a great Life my Friend!


This is almost beyond comprehension.  Unbelievable.  This man has talents bordering on the supernatural. This goes beyond what most of us can only dream about. And he did it all on a Bridgeport milling machine. Surreal.

After viewing all of the pictures, be sure to catch both of the film clips of it actually running.

http://www.moyermade.com/chevyV8.html


From sumron at optusnet.com.au  Wed Apr 22 16:05:49 2009
From: sumron at optusnet.com.au (John & Norma Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:05:49 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 10hp "M" tank info
Message-ID: <A617CE9E92624496BD0D5D76402F5F97@gilbert0cd4c7f>

Hi all in engineland, 
 I am very happy to advise that those Tank measurements I was after have been supplied by DeWayne in Portland, Indiana ,USA.  DeWayne actually removed the tank from his 10hp Engine, did a heap of pics and sent the lot to me with all the measurements, a few days ago. Many thanks again DeWayne for your time and effort in helping, I hope I can be of help to you also some day.   
John Gilbert  in OZ


RSD Block 69 River Ave
Merbein, Vic 3505  
Australia
http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x279/john_the_tankman/
ph 03-50253372
Willow Norma: http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss194/willownorma/Showcase/

From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Apr 22 16:21:17 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:21:17 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine Fish Tail...a question for Australian members
Message-ID: <35F57CBC0067496082CB14C838F044BD@your9e74d7efa7>

Can any one tell me haow the fishtail is attached to the silencer on a Sunshine two stroke....does it screw in?

From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Wed Apr 22 17:58:38 2009
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:58:38 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics....now fish tail.
In-Reply-To: <B73CA963DF854CC5AFF366FBCEC37D32@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <8549c826d597e18689a2034daa523627.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><002b01c9c2d5$f3a9e4b0$0201010a@JBCooper><990D0DFA03B848EF8A38439BF4F88BFC@your9e74d7efa7><840728E0A6B54F449E12F7F322F4AEDA@shack>	<532e37a4d6a90b8c35cb4fcc0b752cc4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<B73CA963DF854CC5AFF366FBCEC37D32@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <49EFBD3E.4090503@optusnet.com.au>

peter ogborne wrote:
> Arnie ,it is the last bit on the silencer .....as on old m/c 
> exhausts.Supposidly reduces the noise ....two needed !
>   

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>
>   
>> OK Guys, I'll bite.  Wot's a Sunshine "fishtail"?
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
===
Peter, Arnie is obviously not a Velocette man!

JW?
===



From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Wed Apr 22 20:00:41 2009
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:00:41 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine Fish Tail...a question for Australian members
References: <35F57CBC0067496082CB14C838F044BD@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <00f501c9c3bf$b0947920$210110ac@Chester>

Hi Peter, i havent had mine out, but im fairly sure it screws in, have you 
checked Bobs parts, i think he had the remains of a 5hp up the dump, cheers,
Chester.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 7:21 AM
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine Fish Tail...a question for Australian members


> Can any one tell me haow the fishtail is attached to the silencer on a 
> Sunshine two stroke....does it screw in?
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> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From rotigel at me.com  Wed Apr 22 20:03:38 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:03:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine Fish Tail...a question for Australian members
References: <35F57CBC0067496082CB14C838F044BD@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <008b01c9c3c0$1aa3a840$0901000a@coec543>

Hey Rob, No comments on this one----PLEASE!
    Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:21 PM
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine Fish Tail...a question for Australian members


> Can any one tell me haow the fishtail is attached to the silencer on a 
> Sunshine two stroke....does it screw in? 



From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Apr 22 20:23:19 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:23:19 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine Fish Tail...a question for Australian members
In-Reply-To: <008b01c9c3c0$1aa3a840$0901000a@coec543>
Message-ID: <20090422232319.E6KWD.1412621.root@mp14>


---- Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote: 
> Hey Rob, No comments on this one----PLEASE!
>     Dave
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:21 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Sunshine Fish Tail...a question for Australian members
> 
> 
Dave, reminds me of a friend at the Case tractor dealer, when the hardware salesman would stop in he would introduce him. "This is Henry, he sells nuts and bolts,,,,,,,and screws on the road". 
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA
> > Can any one tell me haow the fishtail is attached to the silencer on a 
> > Sunshine two stroke....does it screw in? 
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From oldengines at bigpond.com  Thu Apr 23 00:08:06 2009
From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron Sullivan)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:08:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine Fish Tail...a question for Australian members
References: <35F57CBC0067496082CB14C838F044BD@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <000a01c9c3e2$4054bc10$6400a8c0@ronliz>

hi peter
it actually screws on. patrick livingstones bartam as one on it and it is 
used  as a muffler
Ron & Liz Sullivan
oldengines at bigpond.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:21 AM
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine Fish Tail...a question for Australian members


> Can any one tell me haow the fishtail is attached to the silencer on a 
> Sunshine two stroke....does it screw in?
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Apr 23 07:39:12 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:39:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics....now fish tail.
In-Reply-To: <49EFBD3E.4090503@optusnet.com.au>
References: <8549c826d597e18689a2034daa523627.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><002b01c9c2d5$f3a9e4b0$0201010a@JBCooper><990D0DFA03B848EF8A38439BF4F88BFC@your9e74d7efa7><840728E0A6B54F449E12F7F322F4AEDA@shack>
	<532e37a4d6a90b8c35cb4fcc0b752cc4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<B73CA963DF854CC5AFF366FBCEC37D32@your9e74d7efa7>
	<49EFBD3E.4090503@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <bb28d824b65dad176505336357f0e8cc.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

"Velocette"???  Isn't that one of those really intelligent, vicious, and fast
dinosaurs in Jurassic Park?  8-))

On Wed, April 22, 2009 8:58 pm, Jack wrote:
> peter ogborne wrote:
>> Arnie ,it is the last bit on the silencer .....as on old m/c
>> exhausts.Supposidly reduces the noise ....two needed !
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>>> OK Guys, I'll bite.  Wot's a Sunshine "fishtail"?
> ===
> Peter, Arnie is obviously not a Velocette man!
>
> JW?
> ===





From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Apr 23 15:47:20 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:47:20 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics....now fish tail.
References: <8549c826d597e18689a2034daa523627.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><002b01c9c2d5$f3a9e4b0$0201010a@JBCooper><990D0DFA03B848EF8A38439BF4F88BFC@your9e74d7efa7><840728E0A6B54F449E12F7F322F4AEDA@shack><532e37a4d6a90b8c35cb4fcc0b752cc4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><B73CA963DF854CC5AFF366FBCEC37D32@your9e74d7efa7><49EFBD3E.4090503@optusnet.com.au>
	<bb28d824b65dad176505336357f0e8cc.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <AB915934C7804A65985087A10D3A184B@your9e74d7efa7>

I'll  leave this one for you Jack!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics....now fish tail.


> "Velocette"???  Isn't that one of those really intelligent, vicious, and
> fast
> dinosaurs in Jurassic Park?  8-))
>
> On Wed, April 22, 2009 8:58 pm, Jack wrote:
>> peter ogborne wrote:
>>> Arnie ,it is the last bit on the silencer .....as on old m/c
>>> exhausts.Supposidly reduces the noise ....two needed !
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>>>> OK Guys, I'll bite.  Wot's a Sunshine "fishtail"?
>> ===
>> Peter, Arnie is obviously not a Velocette man!
>>
>> JW?
>> ===
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From plb at iinet.net.au  Thu Apr 23 16:53:51 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:53:51 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics....now fish tail.
In-Reply-To: <bb28d824b65dad176505336357f0e8cc.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <8549c826d597e18689a2034daa523627.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><002b01c9c2d5$f3a9e4b0$0201010a@JBCooper><990D0DFA03B848EF8A38439BF4F88BFC@your9e74d7efa7><840728E0A6B54F449E12F7F322F4AEDA@shack>	<532e37a4d6a90b8c35cb4fcc0b752cc4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>	<B73CA963DF854CC5AFF366FBCEC37D32@your9e74d7efa7>	<49EFBD3E.4090503@optusnet.com.au>
	<bb28d824b65dad176505336357f0e8cc.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <004501c9c46e$c1090410$431b0c30$@net.au>

No Arnie,thats the bloke in the saddle.
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics....now fish tail.

"Velocette"???  Isn't that one of those really intelligent, vicious, and
fast
dinosaurs in Jurassic Park?  8-))

On Wed, April 22, 2009 8:58 pm, Jack wrote:
> peter ogborne wrote:
>> Arnie ,it is the last bit on the silencer .....as on old m/c
>> exhausts.Supposidly reduces the noise ....two needed !
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>>> OK Guys, I'll bite.  Wot's a Sunshine "fishtail"?
> ===
> Peter, Arnie is obviously not a Velocette man!
>
> JW?
> ===



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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Fri Apr 24 00:59:36 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 03:59:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <20090423.181820.1068.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090423.181820.1068.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W244A797C57137F6B07FA7B4720@phx.gbl>


Im still down to the lower end, VERY STUCK pistons, can't turn the engine

over to get @ the rod bolts properly.

 

I've squirted every kinda penetrating substance, called in A Witch Doctor,

A Voodoo Priestess, several locals & 911, & still VERY STUCK!!!!!

Next step is to try releasing the cylinders from the base, see if I get

enought movement to get @ the rod bolts. Thats thats the "NO Progress Report"

Small real progress, bead blasted the Intake & Exuast manifolds, both inside

on outside {they cleaned up well } & a cast iron base door from the spare engine.

This base door has an oil fill that will allow adding oil, with out pulling a valve cover

like we used to have to do to add oil.

 

On the stuck piston, I've thought of a tall pipe in the air & 

a wire connected to the engine & pipe, and see if lightning helps.

 

I also thought of putting the heads back on & using a charge of 

black powder, maybe.

 

And the saga / drama goes on ;-}

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 



From curt at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr 24 07:54:59 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 08:54:59 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W244A797C57137F6B07FA7B4720@phx.gbl>
References: <20090423.181820.1068.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<COL106-W244A797C57137F6B07FA7B4720@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <59372.168.215.206.73.1240584899.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Frank,
Enjoying hearing your progress on this project. Looked at your website
too. Be sure and photo document the project onto your website. We enjoy
the photo progressions.
I've done some experimenting with impossibly stuck parts by placing them
in my wood stove in the evening as I load it for the night. I'll place the
part in the ample bed of hot coals, and then load the nights wood on top
of that. The fire burns all night and I'll let the fire go out all
together. The next evening retrieve the cooled part from the ashes. Loose
parts....works every time!

Now it would take a healthy wood stove to put your Petter cylinder in, but
maybe you could build something using a 55 gallon drum, or maybe a fire
pit in the ground. It's going to need to get really hot, and then cool
very slowly to prevent any damage. I bet this method will work for you.

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

>
> Im still down to the lower end, VERY STUCK pistons, can't turn the engine
>
> over to get @ the rod bolts properly.
>
>
>
> I've squirted every kinda penetrating substance, called in A Witch Doctor,
>
> A Voodoo Priestess, several locals & 911, & still VERY STUCK!!!!!
>
> Next step is to try releasing the cylinders from the base, see if I get
>
> enought movement to get @ the rod bolts. Thats thats the "NO Progress
> Report"
>
> Small real progress, bead blasted the Intake & Exuast manifolds, both
> inside
>
> on outside {they cleaned up well } & a cast iron base door from the spare
> engine.
>
> This base door has an oil fill that will allow adding oil, with out
> pulling a valve cover
>
> like we used to have to do to add oil.
>
>
>
> On the stuck piston, I've thought of a tall pipe in the air &
>
> a wire connected to the engine & pipe, and see if lightning helps.
>
>
>
> I also thought of putting the heads back on & using a charge of
>
> black powder, maybe.
>
>
>
> And the saga / drama goes on ;-}
>
>
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm
>
>         Franklin S. Skinner
>     Marine Surveyor & Consultant
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409
>        34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From don.h at wcoil.com  Fri Apr 24 06:38:05 2009
From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don Heringhaus)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:38:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W244A797C57137F6B07FA7B4720@phx.gbl>
References: <20090423.181820.1068.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<COL106-W244A797C57137F6B07FA7B4720@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <58D3EBC144AB41388C278E72C5F26958@gusPC>

Heat Heat Heat always works
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "frank skinner" <marinesurveys at msn.com>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "AA_OLD ENGINE" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3


>
> Im still down to the lower end, VERY STUCK pistons, can't turn the engine
>
> over to get @ the rod bolts properly.
>
>
>
> I've squirted every kinda penetrating substance, called in A Witch Doctor,
>
> A Voodoo Priestess, several locals & 911, & still VERY STUCK!!!!!
>
> Next step is to try releasing the cylinders from the base, see if I get
>
> enought movement to get @ the rod bolts. Thats thats the "NO Progress 
> Report"
>
> Small real progress, bead blasted the Intake & Exuast manifolds, both 
> inside
>
> on outside {they cleaned up well } & a cast iron base door from the spare 
> engine.
>
> This base door has an oil fill that will allow adding oil, with out 
> pulling a valve cover
>
> like we used to have to do to add oil.
>
>
>
> On the stuck piston, I've thought of a tall pipe in the air &
>
> a wire connected to the engine & pipe, and see if lightning helps.
>
>
>
> I also thought of putting the heads back on & using a charge of
>
> black powder, maybe.
>
>
>
> And the saga / drama goes on ;-}
>
>
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm
>
>        Franklin S. Skinner
>    Marine Surveyor & Consultant
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409
>       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Apr 24 06:52:54 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 08:52:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W244A797C57137F6B07FA7B4720@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENCIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Frank:

A long time ago I tried the gunpowder trick once with limited success.

The whole thing was an experiment.  I had to get rid of about a quarter pound of black powder and the engine was a locked-up GMC 235 engine that was headed for the scrap heap.

Actually, what happened is that the piston was driven down hard enough to compress the rod, break the crankshaft and blow the oil pan partly off.  I think, had the engine been salvageable, it would have been better to use more conventional methods.

It was impressive, though.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of frank
> skinner
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 03:00 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Cc: AA_OLD ENGINE
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress 
> report No. 3

.....................snip........................
> 
> I also thought of putting the heads back on & 
> using a charge of black powder, maybe.




From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr 24 09:48:03 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:48:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <59372.168.215.206.73.1240584899.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <20090423.181820.1068.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<COL106-W244A797C57137F6B07FA7B4720@phx.gbl>
	<59372.168.215.206.73.1240584899.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <CA6458F8-981F-4DA2-B0D5-A69B73BF4C84@rustyiron.com>

Hi, Curt.  Although these pictures are dinky by today's standards, you  
can see Bill Young using your method on a 15 h.p. Sakai.  Go here:  http://engines.rustyiron.com/Bill

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Apr 24, 2009, at 7:54 AM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:

> Frank,
> Enjoying hearing your progress on this project. Looked at your website
> too. Be sure and photo document the project onto your website. We  
> enjoy
> the photo progressions.
> I've done some experimenting with impossibly stuck parts by placing  
> them
> in my wood stove in the evening as I load it for the night. I'll  
> place the
> part in the ample bed of hot coals, and then load the nights wood on  
> top
> of that. The fire burns all night and I'll let the fire go out all
> together. The next evening retrieve the cooled part from the ashes.  
> Loose
> parts....works every time!
>
> Now it would take a healthy wood stove to put your Petter cylinder  
> in, but
> maybe you could build something using a 55 gallon drum, or maybe a  
> fire
> pit in the ground. It's going to need to get really hot, and then cool
> very slowly to prevent any damage. I bet this method will work for  
> you.
>
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC


From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr 24 11:13:17 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:13:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENCIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENCIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <15047CC8-1725-45DB-95CB-D8D2B0D3EBAD@rustyiron.com>

Elden, you're a pretty smart guy, so now I don't feel so bad.  I'm  
only typing this so nobody else makes any BONEHEADED moves.

The crew was working on a rare, 30 horse engine, and was having  
problems removing the head to fix a water leak.  The engine ran fine,  
but there was a slow drip from the gasket area.  They asked my  
assistance.  As I was trying to separate the head, I was yammering on  
about the time I loosened the head bolts on an engine, primed it,  
tripped the ignitor, and "poof," the head gently popped off.

The other guys liked the story, and strongly suggested we quit wasting  
time and do the same thing.  Very well.  We put the head nuts back on,  
except for the last inch.  I primed the engine with about a quarter  
cup of gasoline, hefted my fat butt onto the flywheels and rocked them  
back, and Kelley tripped the mag.

KAFU!@#$%INGBLOOIE!

When we regained our wits and the smoke cleared, there were flames all  
over from the unburned fuel.  One guy was screeching about "being  
hit."  I beat out the flames with oily rags, and by then, Screecher  
had determined he was ok, only being hit by a chunk of flaming gasket  
material.

It was now time to analyze what had happened.  I walked over to the  
head, to see if it was loose.  It was GONE.  We found it about eight  
feet away.  Half of the 1" bolts were sheared off, the others  
stripped.  The head had blown off and impacted a colossal wood  
cabinet, taking out a big chunk and moving it several inches, then  
ricocheted onto the floor.

Did I mention that the head weighs about 80 pounds?

Did I mention that the head is right at chest level?

If someone had been standing in it's path, they could very well be  
underground right now.  But at least the head was off.  The next week  
was spent making and installing new studs, and by the next weekend we  
had the project complete and the engine was running like a Swiss...  
no... American watch.

I'm sure there's a moral to the story... maybe...
Let a cute girl trip your mag, and you could unexpectedly blow.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.


	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com



















From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Apr 24 10:09:18 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:09:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <59372.168.215.206.73.1240584899.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <20090423.181820.1068.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<COL106-W244A797C57137F6B07FA7B4720@phx.gbl>
	<59372.168.215.206.73.1240584899.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <6e3bf24a68e2b61f73eb1328ded0753b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Curt,

Did Frank say that this engine had an aluminum block and/or aluminum piston?
I wonder of the "firepit technique" might render his key parts blob-like?

I think Leroy Clark had the same sort of success with fire that you describe.  I
think he went a bit further and used a shop vac as a blower to speed the process
along.  Same result though.  Cherry red engine that came apart nicely after it had
cooled.

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, April 24, 2009 10:54 am, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:
>
> Enjoying hearing your progress on this project. Looked at your website
> too. Be sure and photo document the project onto your website. We enjoy
> the photo progressions.
> I've done some experimenting with impossibly stuck parts by placing them
> in my wood stove in the evening as I load it for the night. I'll place the
> part in the ample bed of hot coals, and then load the nights wood on top
> of that. The fire burns all night and I'll let the fire go out all
> together. The next evening retrieve the cooled part from the ashes. Loose
> parts....works every time!
>
> Now it would take a healthy wood stove to put your Petter cylinder in, but
> maybe you could build something using a 55 gallon drum, or maybe a fire
> pit in the ground. It's going to need to get really hot, and then cool
> very slowly to prevent any damage. I bet this method will work for you.





From marinesurveys at msn.com  Fri Apr 24 12:12:30 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:12:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <6e3bf24a68e2b61f73eb1328ded0753b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <20090423.181820.1068.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<COL106-W244A797C57137F6B07FA7B4720@phx.gbl>
	<59372.168.215.206.73.1240584899.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> 
	<6e3bf24a68e2b61f73eb1328ded0753b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W44D18567145396B638AD5EB4720@phx.gbl>


Arnie;

It indeed has alum. pistons, the cylinders are removable, if i can roll it enough to get the rodbolts loose.

 

More to follow

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:09:18 -0400
> From: fero_ah at city-net.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
> 
> Curt,
> 
> Did Frank say that this engine had an aluminum block and/or aluminum piston?
> I wonder of the "firepit technique" might render his key parts blob-like?
> 
> I think Leroy Clark had the same sort of success with fire that you describe. I
> think he went a bit further and used a shop vac as a blower to speed the process
> along. Same result though. Cherry red engine that came apart nicely after it had
> cooled.
> 
> See ya, Arnie
> 
> On Fri, April 24, 2009 10:54 am, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:
> >
> > Enjoying hearing your progress on this project. Looked at your website
> > too. Be sure and photo document the project onto your website. We enjoy
> > the photo progressions.
> > I've done some experimenting with impossibly stuck parts by placing them
> > in my wood stove in the evening as I load it for the night. I'll place the
> > part in the ample bed of hot coals, and then load the nights wood on top
> > of that. The fire burns all night and I'll let the fire go out all
> > together. The next evening retrieve the cooled part from the ashes. Loose
> > parts....works every time!
> >
> > Now it would take a healthy wood stove to put your Petter cylinder in, but
> > maybe you could build something using a 55 gallon drum, or maybe a fire
> > pit in the ground. It's going to need to get really hot, and then cool
> > very slowly to prevent any damage. I bet this method will work for you.
> 
> 
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Apr 24 12:28:55 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:28:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENCIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENCIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <62b7595dbc79214dce429cb363f0f72a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hmmmm, sounds pretty fantastical.  I don't imagine that there are any pictures?

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, April 24, 2009 9:52 am, Elden DuRand wrote:
>
> A long time ago I tried the gunpowder trick once with limited success.
>
> The whole thing was an experiment.  I had to get rid of about a quarter pound of
> black powder and the engine was a locked-up GMC 235 engine that was headed for the
> scrap heap.
>
> Actually, what happened is that the piston was driven down hard enough to compress
> the rod, break the crankshaft and blow the oil pan partly off.  I think, had the
> engine been salvageable, it would have been better to use more conventional methods.





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Apr 24 12:37:12 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:37:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <15047CC8-1725-45DB-95CB-D8D2B0D3EBAD@rustyiron.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENCIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<15047CC8-1725-45DB-95CB-D8D2B0D3EBAD@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <ee75ba5e956fbc58cf485334822451d5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

I don't suppose YOU have any pictures either?  (Video, of course, would be even
better...)

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, April 24, 2009 2:13 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
> I primed the engine with about a quarter
> cup of gasoline, hefted my fat butt onto the flywheels and rocked them
> back, and Kelley tripped the mag.
>
> KAFU!@#$%INGBLOOIE!
>
> Let a cute girl trip your mag, and you could unexpectedly blow.





From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Apr 24 13:57:19 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:57:19 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
Message-ID: <d5e.4a1ac3a0.372381af@aol.com>

Can you get it on a hydraulic press, with machine block on top of piston  
and start putting some pressure on it, letting it sit a couple of days with  
penetrant on it, increasing the pressure over time?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Fri Apr 24 14:33:14 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:33:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <ee75ba5e956fbc58cf485334822451d5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENCIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<15047CC8-1725-45DB-95CB-D8D2B0D3EBAD@rustyiron.com> 
	<ee75ba5e956fbc58cf485334822451d5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W110DCE65CBD97473F371C8B4720@phx.gbl>


Arnie;

 I have a kerosene vid camera ;-}

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:37:12 -0400
> From: fero_ah at city-net.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
> 
> I don't suppose YOU have any pictures either? (Video, of course, would be even
> better...)
> 
> See ya, Arnie
> 
> On Fri, April 24, 2009 2:13 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
> > I primed the engine with about a quarter
> > cup of gasoline, hefted my fat butt onto the flywheels and rocked them
> > back, and Kelley tripped the mag.
> >
> > KAFU!@#$%INGBLOOIE!
> >
> > Let a cute girl trip your mag, and you could unexpectedly blow.
> 
> 
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Apr 25 11:15:51 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:15:51 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1240675202.9732.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090425201152.01c3c9b0@mail.atech.co.za>


>From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
>Frank:
>A long time ago I tried the gunpowder trick once with limited success.
>The whole thing was an experiment.  I had to get rid of about a quarter 
>pound of black powder and the engine was a locked-up GMC 235 engine that 
>was headed for the scrap heap.
>Actually, what happened is that the piston was driven down hard enough to 
>compress the rod, break the crankshaft and blow the oil pan partly off.  I 
>think, had the engine been salvageable, it would have been better to use 
>more conventional methods.
>It was impressive, though.
>Take care - Elden

Hi Elden,
         When Frank mentioned gunpowder I took it that he was making a 
joke. Interesting to hear that you actually tried using it. Also 
interesting to hear the result :-)


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From marinesurveys at msn.com  Sun Apr 26 03:32:09 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 06:32:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV-2
Message-ID: <COL106-W6474893C1DC2898FFE253AB4700@phx.gbl>


Hi all;

On my restore of a Petter AV-2, series II , I have an operators manual

but it leaves a lot unknown in an overhual of the engine, in tech. data.

 

Would any of you know of a proper workshop manual, or copy of same

that I might obtain ?

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm

 

               Thanks

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470





From rob at rustyiron.com  Sun Apr 26 09:02:58 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:02:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV-2
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W6474893C1DC2898FFE253AB4700@phx.gbl>
References: <COL106-W6474893C1DC2898FFE253AB4700@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B7E120E7-7209-4E94-B7C3-AC499771F153@rustyiron.com>

Paul Evans has an AV1/2 manual available on his web page, www.internalfire.com 
.  You will have to request access to be able to download the manuals.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Apr 26, 2009, at 3:32 AM, frank skinner wrote:

>
> Hi all;
>
> On my restore of a Petter AV-2, series II , I have an operators manual
>
> but it leaves a lot unknown in an overhual of the engine, in tech.  
> data.
>
>
>
> Would any of you know of a proper workshop manual, or copy of same
>
> that I might obtain ?



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Apr 26 17:35:05 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:35:05 EDT
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
Message-ID: <cee.56d38061.372657b9@aol.com>

Over the years I have used piston ring pliers, (I have several), for  small 
rings, borrowed a larger set from a truck repair shop for larger  rings, 
used hacksaw blades with set removed for installation shims, and fought  them 
in other ways to get on the piston.  Getting ready to install some new  
rings on a 5 inch piston, and the shim method is a bear with just two  hands.  
Maybe it is time to invest in a large set of ring pliers. Anyone  got a 
favorite trick that they use to install the larger rings?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 26 18:20:53 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:20:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <cee.56d38061.372657b9@aol.com>
References: <cee.56d38061.372657b9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W4160AAAAEB188A9CA8658195710@phx.gbl>


Tom. I cut five or six strips of copper flashing  when I put the rings in the big Foos and did it with two hands. the trick was  having enough strips to keep the rings spread. Steve
 
> From: Germoamer at aol.com
> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:35:05 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] piston rings
> 
> Over the years I have used piston ring pliers, (I have several), for small 
> rings, borrowed a larger set from a truck repair shop for larger rings, 
> used hacksaw blades with set removed for installation shims, and fought them 
> in other ways to get on the piston. Getting ready to install some new 
> rings on a 5 inch piston, and the shim method is a bear with just two hands. 
> Maybe it is time to invest in a large set of ring pliers. Anyone got a 
> favorite trick that they use to install the larger rings? 
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> 
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Sun Apr 26 18:20:58 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:20:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <cee.56d38061.372657b9@aol.com>
References: <cee.56d38061.372657b9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <49F5087A.5040705@rustic-engines.com>

Yup, buy the right tools.  :-)

Piston Insertion Tool:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/175mm-Spring-Steel-Ratchet-Piston-Ring-Compressor-Tool_W0QQitemZ230338479425QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item230338479425&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1171%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

Ring Removal & Fitting Tool (fifth item down):

> http://www.mytoolstore.com/kd/kdengi08.html

Few more places here for 5'' Pliers:

> http://www.thefind.com/query.php?query=5%22+piston+ring+pliers

Cheers,

Al Harris
Autumn Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> Over the years I have used piston ring pliers, (I have several), for  small 
> rings, borrowed a larger set from a truck repair shop for larger  rings, 
> used hacksaw blades with set removed for installation shims, and fought  them 
> in other ways to get on the piston.  Getting ready to install some new  
> rings on a 5 inch piston, and the shim method is a bear with just two  hands.  
> Maybe it is time to invest in a large set of ring pliers. Anyone  got a 
> favorite trick that they use to install the larger rings?  
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
> **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the 
> web. Get the Radio Toolbar! 
> (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003)
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>   


From edstoller at earthlink.net  Sun Apr 26 18:24:09 2009
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:24:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
References: <cee.56d38061.372657b9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAAF63414952493CAB78FA9B25D014B2@Ed>

I have used hose clamps for small pistons. You might be able to put two hose 
clamps together for the 5 inch.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 8:35 PM
Subject: [SEL] piston rings


> Over the years I have used piston ring pliers, (I have several), for 
> small
> rings, borrowed a larger set from a truck repair shop for larger  rings,
> used hacksaw blades with set removed for installation shims, and fought 
> them
> in other ways to get on the piston.  Getting ready to install some new
> rings on a 5 inch piston, and the shim method is a bear with just two 
> hands.
> Maybe it is time to invest in a large set of ring pliers. Anyone  got a
> favorite trick that they use to install the larger rings?
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Sun Apr 26 18:54:12 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:54:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <CAAF63414952493CAB78FA9B25D014B2@Ed>
References: <cee.56d38061.372657b9@aol.com>
	<CAAF63414952493CAB78FA9B25D014B2@Ed>
Message-ID: <80AD0630FEB24B8D9DF984BFA311F2B5@KerryPC>

Ed I think Tom is talking about spreading the new rings to go over the 
piston, not piston into cylinder


>I have used hose clamps for small pistons. You might be able to put two 
>hose
> clamps together for the 5 inch.


Kerry

Lithgow NSW Oz 



From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com  Mon Apr 27 01:47:19 2009
From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (rustyiron1)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:47:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
References: <cee.56d38061.372657b9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <65997F6B6C444F548D8F9362E6B2E644@Andy>

Hi Tom.
What I've used on large piston rings, is two pieces of Auto wire tide into 
two loops.
Make them about 2.5"Dia, place one end on the end of the ring and the other 
over your thumb,
do this to both hands.
With the thumbs through the loop and attached to the ring ends, you should 
be able to pull the ring apart enough
to slide over the piston, and still control the ring from moving up or down 
with the rest of your hand.
Be careful I also have broken some rings!
Andy.........

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: [SEL] piston rings


> Over the years I have used piston ring pliers, (I have several), for 
> small
> rings, borrowed a larger set from a truck repair shop for larger  rings,
> used hacksaw blades with set removed for installation shims, and fought 
> them
> in other ways to get on the piston.  Getting ready to install some new
> rings on a 5 inch piston, and the shim method is a bear with just two 
> hands.
> Maybe it is time to invest in a large set of ring pliers. Anyone  got a
> favorite trick that they use to install the larger rings?
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
> **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the
> web. Get the Radio Toolbar!
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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Mon Apr 27 03:03:43 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 06:03:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <65997F6B6C444F548D8F9362E6B2E644@Andy>
References: <cee.56d38061.372657b9@aol.com>
	<65997F6B6C444F548D8F9362E6B2E644@Andy>
Message-ID: <COL106-W6024A65BA10F9DF31B78D9B4710@phx.gbl>


Hi all;

I've done simular to what Andy described, except using a heave piece of cloth

in each hand, grabbing the ends of the ring, spread it a bit, slip it carefully over 

the piston.  don't let it get in the groove until you remove the cloth.

I've broken a few as well :)

 

Best of luck, proper tools are no challenge , <EG>

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:47:19 +1000
> Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings
> 
> Hi Tom.
> What I've used on large piston rings, is two pieces of Auto wire tide into 
> two loops.
> Make them about 2.5"Dia, place one end on the end of the ring and the other 
> over your thumb,
> do this to both hands.
> With the thumbs through the loop and attached to the ring ends, you should 
> be able to pull the ring apart enough
> to slide over the piston, and still control the ring from moving up or down 
> with the rest of your hand.
> Be careful I also have broken some rings!
> Andy.........
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:35 AM
> Subject: [SEL] piston rings
> 
> 
> > Over the years I have used piston ring pliers, (I have several), for 
> > small
> > rings, borrowed a larger set from a truck repair shop for larger rings,
> > used hacksaw blades with set removed for installation shims, and fought 
> > them
> > in other ways to get on the piston. Getting ready to install some new
> > rings on a 5 inch piston, and the shim method is a bear with just two 
> > hands.
> > Maybe it is time to invest in a large set of ring pliers. Anyone got a
> > favorite trick that they use to install the larger rings?
> >
> > Tom Schmutz
> > Concord, Va.
> > germoamer at AOL.com
> >
> > **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the
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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Mon Apr 27 03:13:54 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 06:13:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter Restore, progress report #4
Message-ID: <COL106-W321A0A34D85F5F32D0FB19B4710@phx.gbl>


Hi All;
Well it's been s struggle but I'm down to almost the Block & Crankshaft.
Remaining is the back housing {Timing Gear Cover } this wont be bad to remove.
The Transmission / reduction was a fight, but the hot blue wrench won.
Now to tackle the stuck pistons, I'm rigging a hydraulic ram to ease
the # 2 down a bit then disconnect both Conn. Rods.
Items that remain frozen, both pistons, 2 lifters, & the Flywheel,
all have been soaking for days now.
 
 
PS;  I'd Commit a SERIOUS crime to get my hands on a workshop / overhual manual
the Hand book I have isn't a lot of help in this respect.
 
And the rust goes on, and the rust goes on :)

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470




From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Apr 27 04:41:16 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:41:16 EDT
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
Message-ID: <cf8.555d723c.3726f3dc@aol.com>

Andy,
 
The wire method is something I have never thought of.  These rings are  !/2 
inch wide and 5 inch diameter, so pretty strong to expand and slide  over 
the piston.  Edd, you are right, it is expansion over piston, not into  
cylinder which is not a problem on this engine.  Sending Millie by the  truck 
repair shop and see if they still have the larger pliers and would lend  them 
to me again.  If not, I think I will buy a big pair and have them for  my 
future use or the auctioneer after I am gone!
 
Thanks,  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

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From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Apr 27 04:47:20 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:47:20 EDT
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
Message-ID: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/26/2009 9:31:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:

did it  with two hands. the trick was  having enough strips to keep the 
rings  spread.
 
Steve,
 

Yep, same as using old hacksaw blades with set removed.  The trick is  
getting all the strips to stay in place while getting the ring initially  
started.  sometimes think I would like to figure how to get my toes to help  with 
the hands to hold stuff!  HA!
 
Did you get my email I sent you about the Lowes stop after leaving  
Reidsville?
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Apr 27 05:26:23 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:26:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <cee.56d38061.372657b9@aol.com>
References: <cee.56d38061.372657b9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <17e5663ef8f2c401d39d396290b42d24.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Tom,

Put another vote in the "shims" column.  I've used the pliers on small rings but on
the bigger ones I've used the spring steel shims.  The thing I've found tricky is
that it seems that at a given time, only a couple of the shims are taking the load
and the others have a tendency to slip out.  Still and all it's worked for me.

Good luck!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, April 26, 2009 8:35 pm, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> Over the years I have used piston ring pliers, (I have several), for  small
> rings, borrowed a larger set from a truck repair shop for larger  rings,
> used hacksaw blades with set removed for installation shims, and fought  them
> in other ways to get on the piston.  Getting ready to install some new
> rings on a 5 inch piston, and the shim method is a bear with just two  hands.
> Maybe it is time to invest in a large set of ring pliers. Anyone  got a
> favorite trick that they use to install the larger rings?




From curt at rustyiron.com  Mon Apr 27 06:42:37 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:42:37 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <6e3bf24a68e2b61f73eb1328ded0753b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <20090423.181820.1068.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<COL106-W244A797C57137F6B07FA7B4720@phx.gbl>
	<59372.168.215.206.73.1240584899.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<6e3bf24a68e2b61f73eb1328ded0753b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <59248.168.215.206.73.1240839757.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Arnie,
I missed this point about aluminum pistons in his post and photos on the
'net. Looking at the photos again the pistons still look "rusty". Given
the damage to the cylinder wall they will certainly have to be bored to
clean them up. I'd view the aluminum pistons as a blessing. Sacrifice
them. Heat 'em with a torch and melt them out of the way, letting the
cylinders come free of the block. Replacement oversize pistons ought to be
easy to find for a Petter. If not, easy to cast some new ones.
Curt



> Curt,
>
> Did Frank say that this engine had an aluminum block and/or aluminum
> piston?
> I wonder of the "firepit technique" might render his key parts blob-like?
>
> I think Leroy Clark had the same sort of success with fire that you
> describe.  I
> think he went a bit further and used a shop vac as a blower to speed the
> process
> along.  Same result though.  Cherry red engine that came apart nicely
> after it had
> cooled.
>




From curt at rustyiron.com  Mon Apr 27 07:24:46 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:24:46 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com>
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com>
Message-ID: <59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Tom,
I made new piston rings for a couple of friends last fall and fitted them
to the pistons. I took apart a feeler gage set and used 3 or 4 of the
feeler gages. They are made of a decent tempered steel and won't buckle as
the ring slides over the grooves allowing you to use quite thin strips.
Thankfully no broken rings, but I did make an extra ring for each just in
case.
Curt Holland


> In a message dated 4/26/2009 9:31:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:
>
> did it  with two hands. the trick was  having enough strips to keep the
> rings  spread.
>
> Steve,
>
>
> Yep, same as using old hacksaw blades with set removed.  The trick is
> getting all the strips to stay in place while getting the ring initially
> started.  sometimes think I would like to figure how to get my toes to
> help  with
> the hands to hold stuff!  HA!
>
> Did you get my email I sent you about the Lowes stop after leaving
> Reidsville?
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the
> web. Get the Radio Toolbar!
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From wayne at lorenssanitation.com  Mon Apr 27 07:59:02 2009
From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:59:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com>
	<59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>

Curt,

Would it be possible for you to walk us through the procedure of making
piston rings. This is something I have been wanting to try for sometime but
can't seem to find anything on how it is done.

Thanks,

Wayne A Thackery



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
curt at rustyiron.com
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:25 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings

Tom,
I made new piston rings for a couple of friends last fall and fitted them
to the pistons. I took apart a feeler gage set and used 3 or 4 of the
feeler gages. They are made of a decent tempered steel and won't buckle as
the ring slides over the grooves allowing you to use quite thin strips.
Thankfully no broken rings, but I did make an extra ring for each just in
case.
Curt Holland


> In a message dated 4/26/2009 9:31:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:
>
> did it  with two hands. the trick was  having enough strips to keep the
> rings  spread.
>
> Steve,
>
>
> Yep, same as using old hacksaw blades with set removed.  The trick is
> getting all the strips to stay in place while getting the ring initially
> started.  sometimes think I would like to figure how to get my toes to
> help  with
> the hands to hold stuff!  HA!
>
> Did you get my email I sent you about the Lowes stop after leaving
> Reidsville?
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the
> web. Get the Radio Toolbar!
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Apr 27 09:45:58 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:45:58 +0200
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1240848002.26971.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090427183209.028596a8@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 27/04/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:24:09 -0400
>From: "Ed stoller" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings
>I have used hose clamps for small pistons. You might be able to put two hose
>clamps together for the 5 inch.
>Ed Stoller

Hi Guys,
          I do understand that this thread is concerned with getting the 
rings to the correct grooves but to expand on Ed's answer above:
         Another good tip when you do not have a ring compressor or yours 
is the wrong size is to use "cable ties":
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_tie>
         They work great when you've got nothing else and are really cheap. 
They slip off easily due to being made of nylon and when the piston is in 
place you just cut them off with sidecutters. You can also join a few 
together if needs be but they are so cheap that it's a good idea keep a few 
different sizes in stock.

         They also make great temporary replacements for hose clamps on 
water and fuel lines.
         I hope it's useful tip.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From b2 at chooka.net  Mon Apr 27 10:08:01 2009
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:08:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com><59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>
Message-ID: <7467A1A8B88E4C15986C18AB693015FD@apluscomputer.local>

I have a 2-page scanned document that I'm pretty sure came off this list
sometime in the past few years.  It is a good write-up on making your own
piston rings.

It's about 1.5 meg total size.  Wayne (or anybody else who cares) send me
your e-mail address and I'll forward a copy of the files to you.

B?

Bill Brueck
   Chatfield, Minnesota, USA

b2 at chooka.net

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Thackery
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:59 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings

Curt,

Would it be possible for you to walk us through the procedure of making
piston rings. This is something I have been wanting to try for sometime but
can't seem to find anything on how it is done.

Thanks,

Wayne A Thackery



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
curt at rustyiron.com
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:25 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings

Tom,
I made new piston rings for a couple of friends last fall and fitted them to
the pistons. I took apart a feeler gage set and used 3 or 4 of the feeler
gages. They are made of a decent tempered steel and won't buckle as the ring
slides over the grooves allowing you to use quite thin strips.
Thankfully no broken rings, but I did make an extra ring for each just in
case.
Curt Holland


> In a message dated 4/26/2009 9:31:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:
>
> did it  with two hands. the trick was  having enough strips to keep 
> the rings  spread.
>
> Steve,
>
>
> Yep, same as using old hacksaw blades with set removed.  The trick is 
> getting all the strips to stay in place while getting the ring 
> initially started.  sometimes think I would like to figure how to get 
> my toes to help  with the hands to hold stuff!  HA!
>
> Did you get my email I sent you about the Lowes stop after leaving 
> Reidsville?
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on 
> the web. Get the Radio Toolbar!
> (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown000000
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 27 10:25:34 2009
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:25:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com><59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>
	<7467A1A8B88E4C15986C18AB693015FD@apluscomputer.local>
Message-ID: <42DE0C2346B344C29D93FBC694E17E2F@Ed>

I think I have saved the same file. The text alone should be small.  I will 
not send the pictures here.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Brueck" <b2 at chooka.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings


I have a 2-page scanned document that I'm pretty sure came off this list
sometime in the past few years.  It is a good write-up on making your own
piston rings.

It's about 1.5 meg total size.  Wayne (or anybody else who cares) send me
your e-mail address and I'll forward a copy of the files to you.

B?

Bill Brueck
   Chatfield, Minnesota, USA

b2 at chooka.net

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Thackery
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:59 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings

Curt,

Would it be possible for you to walk us through the procedure of making
piston rings. This is something I have been wanting to try for sometime but
can't seem to find anything on how it is done.

Thanks,

Wayne A Thackery



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
curt at rustyiron.com
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:25 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings

Tom,
I made new piston rings for a couple of friends last fall and fitted them to
the pistons. I took apart a feeler gage set and used 3 or 4 of the feeler
gages. They are made of a decent tempered steel and won't buckle as the ring
slides over the grooves allowing you to use quite thin strips.
Thankfully no broken rings, but I did make an extra ring for each just in
case.
Curt Holland


> In a message dated 4/26/2009 9:31:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:
>
> did it  with two hands. the trick was  having enough strips to keep
> the rings  spread.
>
> Steve,
>
>
> Yep, same as using old hacksaw blades with set removed.  The trick is
> getting all the strips to stay in place while getting the ring
> initially started.  sometimes think I would like to figure how to get
> my toes to help  with the hands to hold stuff!  HA!
>
> Did you get my email I sent you about the Lowes stop after leaving
> Reidsville?
>
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 27 10:28:01 2009
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:28:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com><59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>
	<7467A1A8B88E4C15986C18AB693015FD@apluscomputer.local>
Message-ID: <5DEF92782A5E4F16BB667E71C3E48D64@Ed>

Oops, this file is on making pistons, not rings.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Brueck" <b2 at chooka.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings


I have a 2-page scanned document that I'm pretty sure came off this list
sometime in the past few years.  It is a good write-up on making your own
piston rings.

It's about 1.5 meg total size.  Wayne (or anybody else who cares) send me
your e-mail address and I'll forward a copy of the files to you.

B?

Bill Brueck
   Chatfield, Minnesota, USA

b2 at chooka.net

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Thackery
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:59 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings

Curt,

Would it be possible for you to walk us through the procedure of making
piston rings. This is something I have been wanting to try for sometime but
can't seem to find anything on how it is done.

Thanks,

Wayne A Thackery



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
curt at rustyiron.com
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:25 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings

Tom,
I made new piston rings for a couple of friends last fall and fitted them to
the pistons. I took apart a feeler gage set and used 3 or 4 of the feeler
gages. They are made of a decent tempered steel and won't buckle as the ring
slides over the grooves allowing you to use quite thin strips.
Thankfully no broken rings, but I did make an extra ring for each just in
case.
Curt Holland


> In a message dated 4/26/2009 9:31:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:
>
> did it  with two hands. the trick was  having enough strips to keep
> the rings  spread.
>
> Steve,
>
>
> Yep, same as using old hacksaw blades with set removed.  The trick is
> getting all the strips to stay in place while getting the ring
> initially started.  sometimes think I would like to figure how to get
> my toes to help  with the hands to hold stuff!  HA!
>
> Did you get my email I sent you about the Lowes stop after leaving
> Reidsville?
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on
> the web. Get the Radio Toolbar!
> (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown000000
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Apr 27 12:16:11 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:16:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090427183209.028596a8@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090427183209.028596a8@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <cf33cd7b2e10943543a0a8f3938885be.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Jerry,

I've tried using cable ties in lieu of a ring compressor and did not have success. 
The rings just weren't compressed down below the surface of the piston.  Hose clamps
have worked well however.

I also don't see being able to apply enough "squeeze" to a water or fuel line with a
cable tie to make a difference.

If you've had success with both, GREAT.  That success may not be universal.

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, April 27, 2009 12:45 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
>           I do understand that this thread is concerned with getting the
> rings to the correct grooves but to expand on Ed's answer above:
>          Another good tip when you do not have a ring compressor or yours
> is the wrong size is to use "cable ties":
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_tie>
>          They work great when you've got nothing else and are really cheap.
> They slip off easily due to being made of nylon and when the piston is in
> place you just cut them off with sidecutters. You can also join a few
> together if needs be but they are so cheap that it's a good idea keep a few
> different sizes in stock.
>
>          They also make great temporary replacements for hose clamps on
> water and fuel lines.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Apr 27 12:28:41 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:28:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC - Ballot Box Stuffing Request
Message-ID: <da3179b88a2b0538d0fd8c2ef800f7cb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

We're coming down to the wire on this one and it's turning out to be quite a
nail-biter.  #19 is holding onto a razor-thin 20 vote lead over arch-rival #7.  The
contest ends at midnight (in Sweden) on April 30th.

If you haven't voted yet (or haven't voted from all of your computers), I'd really
appreciate it if you would cast a vote for #19.

Thanks!!

See ya,  Arnie

--------------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------------
Subject: Ballot Box Stuffing Request
From:    "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Date:    Mon, March 16, 2009 12:09 pm
To:      slick at toltbbs.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Folks,

I need your help.  One of my power plant customers in Sweden recently had her
daughter get married.  Said daughter has had one of her wedding pictures selected
for a "best bride picture" contest.

I'd really appreciate it if y'all could help out with a little ballot box stuffing.

She's picture #19 and really is a lovely bride and it is a very nice picture.  You
can only vote once from a given computer.  8-))

THANKS!!  Arnie

--------------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------------

Best regards, Eva-Lena

PS. My daughter is chosen to be in a competition with the best bride picture of the
year:-) I would be very happy if you could give some votes from the US. The address
is following http://www.brollopsmagasinet.se/?id=10554 and her picture is number 19.
The pictures are further down on that page.

--------------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------------




From ddotto at cableone.net  Mon Apr 27 16:13:08 2009
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:13:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC - Ballot Box Stuffing Request
In-Reply-To: <da3179b88a2b0538d0fd8c2ef800f7cb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <da3179b88a2b0538d0fd8c2ef800f7cb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <DEA1EFF6998A4C13B2ED924147E9C644@SHOP>

Hey Arnie

I added another vote from work today.

Dave



Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 1:29 PM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; slick at toltbbs.com;
sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC - Ballot Box Stuffing Request
Importance: Low

Hi Folks,

We're coming down to the wire on this one and it's turning out to be quite a
nail-biter.  #19 is holding onto a razor-thin 20 vote lead over arch-rival
#7.  The
contest ends at midnight (in Sweden) on April 30th.

If you haven't voted yet (or haven't voted from all of your computers), I'd
really
appreciate it if you would cast a vote for #19.

Thanks!!

See ya,  Arnie

--------------------------------- Original Message
---------------------------------
Subject: Ballot Box Stuffing Request
From:    "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Date:    Mon, March 16, 2009 12:09 pm
To:      slick at toltbbs.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------

Hi Folks,

I need your help.  One of my power plant customers in Sweden recently had
her
daughter get married.  Said daughter has had one of her wedding pictures
selected
for a "best bride picture" contest.

I'd really appreciate it if y'all could help out with a little ballot box
stuffing.

She's picture #19 and really is a lovely bride and it is a very nice
picture.  You
can only vote once from a given computer.  8-))

THANKS!!  Arnie

--------------------------------- Original Message
---------------------------------

Best regards, Eva-Lena

PS. My daughter is chosen to be in a competition with the best bride picture
of the
year:-) I would be very happy if you could give some votes from the US. The
address
is following http://www.brollopsmagasinet.se/?id=10554 and her picture is
number 19.
The pictures are further down on that page.

--------------------------------- Original Message
---------------------------------


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From jbcast at charter.net  Mon Apr 27 18:38:34 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:38:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <cf33cd7b2e10943543a0a8f3938885be.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20090427213834.PDN90.1682224.root@mp20>


I use snap ring pliers, the heavy flat ones for removing square snap rings, if I break a ring I'll let you know. :-)  Tie wraps are used in the auto industry on vacuum and vent hoses, no pressure applications. Outboards use them on fuel lines, these are low pressure systems. I find that if you make two wraps you can get a little more stretch, they'll hold better.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA


From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Apr 27 20:28:46 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:28:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Caught in New HAmpshire
Message-ID: <20090428032835.0BFB733C0345@mail06.wcoil.com>


>Hi Every One,

  I received word yesterday from a engine collector friend in New 
Hampshire of the capture in the act of two people from Maine 
attempting to steal an engine from his house this past weekend. 
Details are still sketchy. I will pass on more as the details come out.
The thieves are cooling their heals in the county lock up and 
awaiting arraignment on Tuesday. Their truck is in
impound.                Mark







Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site   www.Maytagclub.com  



From cwja at telus.net  Mon Apr 27 20:47:26 2009
From: cwja at telus.net (Allen Home)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:47:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] What Show to Visit
Message-ID: <49F67C4E.4090009@telus.net>

Hello to All;
Its been a long time lurking for me but now I need some help. My wife 
and I am planning to be in London, Toronto and Midland, Ontario, Canada 
some time in July and /or early August this year. We want to attend some 
engine and tractor shows in Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, or 
Ohio. I have the 2009 Show Directory but do not know what are the best 
showes to attend in terms of size and variety. We will fly into Toronto 
and rent a car for a few weeks. We would plan to do day trips from 
London or Toronto or overnight stays for special shows. Any advice would 
be welcome. We might be convinced to drive  from Edmonton through Canada 
and northern states via Chicago up to Toronto if special shows are 
suggested.

-- 

Jeff & Marja Allen  at Home
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada




From taltos at accglobal.net  Mon Apr 27 21:47:35 2009
From: taltos at accglobal.net (Andrew Walker)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:47:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What Show to Visit
In-Reply-To: <49F67C4E.4090009@telus.net>
References: <49F67C4E.4090009@telus.net>
Message-ID: <49F68A67.9080506@accglobal.net>

Here's some links for Ontario stuff to do. Check the sites out and see 
if the dates correspond well enough for you.

http://www.steamshow.ca   Cookstown,On   A local club I've belonged to 
since 1977.
http://www.bracebridgechamber.com/mppa/events.htm   Featuring 
Massey-Harris this, their 25th annual show.
http://www.ilderton.ca/heritageclub/index.htm  This is just north of London.
http://www.countryheritagepark.com    You have to visit here. July 17th 
is the antique power show but the park is worth the visit.
Also google the Hamilton Museum of Steam and Technology. They don't have 
their own website.

That's some of my thoughts anyway.

Andrew Walker




Allen Home wrote:
> Hello to All;
> Its been a long time lurking for me but now I need some help. My wife 
> and I am planning to be in London, Toronto and Midland, Ontario, Canada 
> some time in July and /or early August this year. We want to attend some 
> engine and tractor shows in Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, or 
> Ohio. I have the 2009 Show Directory but do not know what are the best 
> showes to attend in terms of size and variety. We will fly into Toronto 
> and rent a car for a few weeks. We would plan to do day trips from 
> London or Toronto or overnight stays for special shows. Any advice would 
> be welcome. We might be convinced to drive  from Edmonton through Canada 
> and northern states via Chicago up to Toronto if special shows are 
> suggested.
>
>   



From rotigel at me.com  Mon Apr 27 21:53:49 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:53:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What Show to Visit
References: <49F67C4E.4090009@telus.net>
Message-ID: <00f401c9c7bd$52f7fce0$0901000a@coec543>

Hi Jeff and Marja, You fail to mention TWO shows that are a must for any 
engine gal/man. The first is in Baraboo, WI the 2nd weekend in August and 
the second is MECA. MECA is sometimes referred to as Portland IN since it IS 
referred to as the LARGEST ENGINE SHOW IN THE world! You also need to plan a 
trip to one of the COOLSPRING, PA shows/museum. You will see engines there 
that are ONE OF A KIND!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Allen Home" <cwja at telus.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:47 PM
Subject: [SEL] What Show to Visit


> Hello to All;
> Its been a long time lurking for me but now I need some help. My wife
> and I am planning to be in London, Toronto and Midland, Ontario, Canada
> some time in July and /or early August this year. We want to attend some
> engine and tractor shows in Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, or
> Ohio. I have the 2009 Show Directory but do not know what are the best
> showes to attend in terms of size and variety. We will fly into Toronto
> and rent a car for a few weeks. We would plan to do day trips from
> London or Toronto or overnight stays for special shows. Any advice would
> be welcome. We might be convinced to drive  from Edmonton through Canada
> and northern states via Chicago up to Toronto if special shows are
> suggested.
>
> -- 
>
> Jeff & Marja Allen  at Home
> Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
>
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 28 04:16:52 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 04:16:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] What Show to Visit
Message-ID: <557024.77508.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Jeff,
?
Since you mentioned Michigan I will offer this great show at Buckley, Michigan.
Dates for this year are?August 13-16. Really the show is only half there on Sunday.
http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/Event-Information/Buckley-Old-Engine-Show/Show-Dates

Alan in Michigan
?

--- On Mon, 4/27/09, Allen Home <cwja at telus.net> wrote:


From: Allen Home <cwja at telus.net>
Subject: [SEL] What Show to Visit
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 11:47 PM


Hello to All;
Its been a long time lurking for me but now I need some help. My wife 
and I am planning to be in London, Toronto and Midland, Ontario, Canada 
some time in July and /or early August this year. We want to attend some 
engine and tractor shows in Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, or 
Ohio. I have the 2009 Show Directory but do not know what are the best 
showes to attend in terms of size and variety. We will fly into Toronto 
and rent a car for a few weeks. We would plan to do day trips from 
London or Toronto or overnight stays for special shows. Any advice would 
be welcome. We might be convinced to drive? from Edmonton through Canada 
and northern states via Chicago up to Toronto if special shows are 
suggested.

-- 

Jeff & Marja Allen? at Home
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada


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From curt at rustyiron.com  Tue Apr 28 05:18:58 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 06:18:58 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com>
	<59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>
Message-ID: <59266.168.215.206.73.1240921138.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Wayne,
For several years I've had a link on my webpage for 2 scanned documents on
making piston rings using the heat treat method. I never tried this method
as I questioned it's effectiveness.

The traditional method is to cut an over sized ring of the correct
dimensions, remove a section, compress the ring to a collapsed diameter
(now oval shaped), mount the compressed ring in a turning fixture and then
turn the OD to exactly the cylinder diameter. This is the method used by
folks like Niagara Piston Ring.

I took photos as I was doing this last summer and placed it on my website.
Here is the link.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MakingPistonRings/Thumbnails.html>

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC




> Curt,
>
> Would it be possible for you to walk us through the procedure of making
> piston rings. This is something I have been wanting to try for sometime
> but
> can't seem to find anything on how it is done.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wayne A Thackery
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> curt at rustyiron.com
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:25 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings
>
> Tom,
> I made new piston rings for a couple of friends last fall and fitted them
> to the pistons. I took apart a feeler gage set and used 3 or 4 of the
> feeler gages. They are made of a decent tempered steel and won't buckle as
> the ring slides over the grooves allowing you to use quite thin strips.
> Thankfully no broken rings, but I did make an extra ring for each just in
> case.
> Curt Holland
>
>
>> In a message dated 4/26/2009 9:31:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>> steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:
>>
>> did it  with two hands. the trick was  having enough strips to keep the
>> rings  spread.
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>>
>> Yep, same as using old hacksaw blades with set removed.  The trick is
>> getting all the strips to stay in place while getting the ring initially
>> started.  sometimes think I would like to figure how to get my toes to
>> help  with
>> the hands to hold stuff!  HA!
>>
>> Did you get my email I sent you about the Lowes stop after leaving
>> Reidsville?
>>
>> Tom  Schmutz
>> Concord, Va.
>> germoamer at AOL.com
>> **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on
>> the
>> web. Get the Radio Toolbar!
>> (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003)
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
>
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From plb at iinet.net.au  Tue Apr 28 07:10:32 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:10:32 +0800
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <59266.168.215.206.73.1240921138.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com>	<59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>	<4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>
	<59266.168.215.206.73.1240921138.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <01a101c9c80b$17892870$469b7950$@net.au>

I have made quite a few rings for my engines as well as for friends using
the heat treat method and so far have not had a failure. If you have access
to a lathe its one of the easiest parts of a restoration.
Heres how I do it. Chuck up a bit of good cast in your 3 jaw. Bore it to the
fitted ring I.D. Machine the O.D to your bore diameter. Part them off. Split
the rings. ( I use a bit of pressure with some bolt cutters and they
fracture cleanly) Make up a wedge out of a bit of keysteel or whatever is
laying around and stack the rings together with the wedge in the gap holding
them open. Wrap some fireproof cloth to keep the direct flame off them. Put
the stack of rings between two plates with a 3/8 bolt holding them together.
I make up a little firebrick furnace on the shed floor and stick in a LP
torch and keep them to a dull red for a couple of hours. Pull them out when
cool and gap them.So far the rings I have made have gone into new bores and
there is no leakage past the rings and seem to work perfectly.
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
curt at rustyiron.com
Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2009 8:19 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings

Wayne,
For several years I've had a link on my webpage for 2 scanned documents on
making piston rings using the heat treat method. I never tried this method
as I questioned it's effectiveness.

The traditional method is to cut an over sized ring of the correct
dimensions, remove a section, compress the ring to a collapsed diameter
(now oval shaped), mount the compressed ring in a turning fixture and then
turn the OD to exactly the cylinder diameter. This is the method used by
folks like Niagara Piston Ring.

I took photos as I was doing this last summer and placed it on my website.
Here is the link.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MakingPistonRings/Thumbnail
s.html>

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC




> Curt,
>
> Would it be possible for you to walk us through the procedure of making
> piston rings. This is something I have been wanting to try for sometime
> but
> can't seem to find anything on how it is done.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wayne A Thackery
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> curt at rustyiron.com
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:25 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings
>
> Tom,
> I made new piston rings for a couple of friends last fall and fitted them
> to the pistons. I took apart a feeler gage set and used 3 or 4 of the
> feeler gages. They are made of a decent tempered steel and won't buckle as
> the ring slides over the grooves allowing you to use quite thin strips.
> Thankfully no broken rings, but I did make an extra ring for each just in
> case.
> Curt Holland
>
>
>> In a message dated 4/26/2009 9:31:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>> steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:
>>
>> did it  with two hands. the trick was  having enough strips to keep the
>> rings  spread.
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>>
>> Yep, same as using old hacksaw blades with set removed.  The trick is
>> getting all the strips to stay in place while getting the ring initially
>> started.  sometimes think I would like to figure how to get my toes to
>> help  with
>> the hands to hold stuff!  HA!
>>
>> Did you get my email I sent you about the Lowes stop after leaving
>> Reidsville?
>>
>> Tom  Schmutz
>> Concord, Va.
>> germoamer at AOL.com
>> **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on
>> the
>> web. Get the Radio Toolbar!
>> (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003)
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr 28 07:35:20 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:35:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] What Show to Visit
In-Reply-To: <49F67C4E.4090009@telus.net>
References: <49F67C4E.4090009@telus.net>
Message-ID: <a67a401ce3f4aa4186ab6f48d492db4e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Findlay, Ohio   July 27 - August 2nd.

EXCELLENT show.  It's one of my "can't miss" favorites.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA

On Mon, April 27, 2009 11:47 pm, Allen Home wrote:
> Hello to All;
> Its been a long time lurking for me but now I need some help. My wife
> and I am planning to be in London, Toronto and Midland, Ontario, Canada
> some time in July and /or early August this year. We want to attend some
> engine and tractor shows in Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, or
> Ohio. I have the 2009 Show Directory but do not know what are the best
> showes to attend in terms of size and variety. We will fly into Toronto
> and rent a car for a few weeks. We would plan to do day trips from
> London or Toronto or overnight stays for special shows. Any advice would
> be welcome. We might be convinced to drive  from Edmonton through Canada
> and northern states via Chicago up to Toronto if special shows are
> suggested.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr 28 08:00:26 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:00:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] new model
In-Reply-To: <441E55B008654D19A1CD878BBDFDE1BF@REG>
References: <441E55B008654D19A1CD878BBDFDE1BF@REG>
Message-ID: <ddb331d5edc891d38848f6c0572b7b63.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

HOLY CRAP!!  Reg, you model builders just amaze me.  That's bloody gorgeous.
Give me a feel for size, about how long is that puppy?

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, April 28, 2009 3:16 am, R & M Ingold wrote:
> I would like to share with you, a project that is not mine.
> A while back, (Dont ask how long!) I got a set of castings, just started,
> from Brad Smith, for a Holt 4 cyl model.
> On looking at them, and weighing up my ability, (Injuries, etc.), I sorta
> said ("Ha, No way!).
> So, I gave them to a good friend who, being a carer for a sick wife, did not
> have a project to play with.
> I am so proud of what he has achieved. Not only did he build the engine but,
> he even made the tractor!
> (He has no idea that I am sharing this.)
> His workshop is a7x5Foot garden shed.
> I am totally in awe of this mate.





From oldironnut at windstream.net  Tue Apr 28 08:08:10 2009
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:08:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] When is SIAM?
In-Reply-To: <DEA1EFF6998A4C13B2ED924147E9C644@SHOP>
References: <da3179b88a2b0538d0fd8c2ef800f7cb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<DEA1EFF6998A4C13B2ED924147E9C644@SHOP>
Message-ID: <D8DECF26-ECC4-416B-BDDD-870A1F4DC503@windstream.net>

Howdy all,

What are the dates for the SIAM show this year?

Thanks,
Mike
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oldironnut at windstream.net
Versailles, Kentucky, USA
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From wayne at lorenssanitation.com  Tue Apr 28 08:10:48 2009
From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:10:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <59266.168.215.206.73.1240921138.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com><59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>
	<59266.168.215.206.73.1240921138.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <EDF70A3B33E3452C8A3E35854BEB99B8@Waynexp>

Curt,

Thank you very much! This is the method I am mostly interested in trying. I
have seen the heat treat method used for models and knew that there was
another way. Again, thanks for the link to your website.

Wayne A Thackery



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
curt at rustyiron.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:19 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings

Wayne,
For several years I've had a link on my webpage for 2 scanned documents on
making piston rings using the heat treat method. I never tried this method
as I questioned it's effectiveness.

The traditional method is to cut an over sized ring of the correct
dimensions, remove a section, compress the ring to a collapsed diameter
(now oval shaped), mount the compressed ring in a turning fixture and then
turn the OD to exactly the cylinder diameter. This is the method used by
folks like Niagara Piston Ring.

I took photos as I was doing this last summer and placed it on my website.
Here is the link.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MakingPistonRings/Thumbnail
s.html>

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC




> Curt,
>
> Would it be possible for you to walk us through the procedure of making
> piston rings. This is something I have been wanting to try for sometime
> but
> can't seem to find anything on how it is done.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wayne A Thackery
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> curt at rustyiron.com
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:25 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings
>
> Tom,
> I made new piston rings for a couple of friends last fall and fitted them
> to the pistons. I took apart a feeler gage set and used 3 or 4 of the
> feeler gages. They are made of a decent tempered steel and won't buckle as
> the ring slides over the grooves allowing you to use quite thin strips.
> Thankfully no broken rings, but I did make an extra ring for each just in
> case.
> Curt Holland
>
>
>> In a message dated 4/26/2009 9:31:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>> steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:
>>
>> did it  with two hands. the trick was  having enough strips to keep the
>> rings  spread.
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>>
>> Yep, same as using old hacksaw blades with set removed.  The trick is
>> getting all the strips to stay in place while getting the ring initially
>> started.  sometimes think I would like to figure how to get my toes to
>> help  with
>> the hands to hold stuff!  HA!
>>
>> Did you get my email I sent you about the Lowes stop after leaving
>> Reidsville?
>>
>> Tom  Schmutz
>> Concord, Va.
>> germoamer at AOL.com
>> **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on
>> the
>> web. Get the Radio Toolbar!
>> (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003)
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>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr 28 08:47:51 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:47:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] When is SIAM?
In-Reply-To: <D8DECF26-ECC4-416B-BDDD-870A1F4DC503@windstream.net>
References: <da3179b88a2b0538d0fd8c2ef800f7cb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<DEA1EFF6998A4C13B2ED924147E9C644@SHOP>
	<D8DECF26-ECC4-416B-BDDD-870A1F4DC503@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <a00ce12bd8ab3db5c270e601ce145e61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

June 12-14

On Tue, April 28, 2009 11:08 am, Michael Tucker wrote:
>
> What are the dates for the SIAM show this year?





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr 28 09:00:33 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:00:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <EDF70A3B33E3452C8A3E35854BEB99B8@Waynexp>
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com><59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>
	<59266.168.215.206.73.1240921138.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<EDF70A3B33E3452C8A3E35854BEB99B8@Waynexp>
Message-ID: <d8e4ba3895a5d6e65bcd64a883ba8e03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Curt,

I'd forgotten about that webpage.  VERY nice tutorial.  That's one that even I could
follow.  8-))

One question...

Do you set any sort of end gap in the rings when you turn the OD or do you include
that gap when you determine what final OD you want when the ring is in the cylinder
bore?

See ya,  Arnie

> The traditional method is to cut an over sized ring of the correct
> dimensions, remove a section, compress the ring to a collapsed diameter
> (now oval shaped), mount the compressed ring in a turning fixture and then
> turn the OD to exactly the cylinder diameter. This is the method used by
> folks like Niagara Piston Ring.
>
> I took photos as I was doing this last summer and placed it on my website.
> Here is the link.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MakingPistonRings/Thumbnails.html





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Apr 28 09:52:52 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:52:52 +0200
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1240934402.25278.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090428183135.00c19238@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 28/04/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:16:11 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings
>Hi Jerry,
>I've tried using cable ties in lieu of a ring compressor and did not have 
>success.
>The rings just weren't compressed down below the surface of the 
>piston.  Hose clamps
>have worked well however.
>I also don't see being able to apply enough "squeeze" to a water or fuel 
>line with a
>cable tie to make a difference.
>If you've had success with both, GREAT.  That success may not be universal.
>See ya,  Arnie

Hi Arnie,
         Thanks for the reply.
         3 weeks ago I put new rings into a Victa lawn mower engine using 
cable ties. Because I was going to slip the cylinder over the piston which 
was attached to the crank I would not have been able to get my normal ring 
compressor out without a lot of difficulty. The cable ties I used were 
narrower than the rings and I placed the "buckle" opposite the ring gap and 
pulled it tight with a pair of pliers. It worked perfectly - "slipped in 
like a banana"!!
(I cut each tie off with a Stanley knife as that ring was in so that the 
tie would not interfere with the next one.)
         Re pipes, I did mention that it was a temporary solution and it 
does work although the pipe probably has to be a good fit in the first 
place- it would not be as good as a steel hose clamp at compressing a 
slightly oversize pipe.
Keep well,

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Apr 28 10:30:58 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:30:58 +0200
Subject: [SEL] New epoxy product
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090428190346.00c19238@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         A local newsletter has a few interesting articles on repairing 
things with a locally produced epoxy product. I'm trying to get some specs 
on the product which is called "Steenvas" and will keep you updated.

         You can download the newsletter from my site here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/paraffinalia/index.htm>
         and download the last link on the right hand side. <Cape Vintage 
Engine12 - April 2009)
         Read the articles by Andy Self about repairs to a Tangye engine as 
well as a few others.

         The company producing the product has a page here:
<http://www.steenvas.co.za/index.htm>
(Excuse the bad grammar - it looks to have been translated from Afrikaans 
to English and pretty badly at that.)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Apr 28 11:06:45 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:06:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What Show to Visit
In-Reply-To: <49F67C4E.4090009@telus.net>
References: <49F67C4E.4090009@telus.net>
Message-ID: <20090428180631.2DD863E4739@mail05.wcoil.com>

Hi Jeff,
  If you have some spare time on the Date of July 30-31, 
August1st&2nd  Northwest Ohio Antique Machinery Association show is a 
good one.  Friday and Saturday is the premier days.  Findlay Ohio at 
the Hancock Co. Fairgrounds. This years feature
Minneapolis Moline Tractors, Delco Light Plants and Homemade Engines
Web site: http://www.nwoantiquemachinery.com/          Mark



At 11:47 PM 4/27/2009, you wrote:
>Hello to All;
>Its been a long time lurking for me but now I need some help. My wife
>and I am planning to be in London, Toronto and Midland, Ontario, Canada
>some time in July and /or early August this year. We want to attend some
>engine and tractor shows in Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, or
>Ohio. I have the 2009 Show Directory but do not know what are the best
>showes to attend in terms of size and variety. We will fly into Toronto
>and rent a car for a few weeks. We would plan to do day trips from
>London or Toronto or overnight stays for special shows. Any advice would
>be welcome. We might be convinced to drive  from Edmonton through Canada
>and northern states via Chicago up to Toronto if special shows are
>suggested.
>--
>Jeff & Marja Allen  at Home
>Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site   www.Maytagclub.com  



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Apr 28 12:33:14 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:33:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
Message-ID: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
What is your favorite portable shade for your displays?  Anything that
was a total waste of money?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 28 12:43:24 2009
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:43:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com><59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>
	<59266.168.215.206.73.1240921138.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <BB6E135B95C548E5B44D03D5ACD00D00@Ed>

I finally got the piston out of my Ottawa ES 4282 , 4 HP and the rings will 
not budge. They are packed in with carbon. I had the piston soaking for a 
couple of weeks in a metal paint can in Acetone and ATF. The surface looks 
nice and clean but the rings are stuck. I may have broken one of them 
already. I was thinking that maybe some hydrogen peroxide would oxidize the 
carbon?  Any ideas?????????

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ 



From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Apr 28 12:45:44 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:45:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590AB58C7F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

I like the Quik-Shade canopy.

George

-----Original Message-----
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rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:33 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade

Hi all.
What is your favorite portable shade for your displays?  Anything that
was a total waste of money?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From Jim at hardmanfamily.net  Tue Apr 28 12:48:47 2009
From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:48:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New epoxy product
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090428190346.00c19238@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090428190346.00c19238@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <3BE2C2801A0F440FA1690EB3C2949604@JamesDesktop>

Jerry, and all,

Some epoxies will stand up to hot water, others will not.  For underwater or 
occasional hot water applications, specialty formulations are required, 
often called "splash zone" epoxies.  These are typically used on concrete 
piers at the water line where wave action erodes and consumes the pilings.

Just because the fomulator says his product has "unlimited uses" doesn't 
mean that it is good for all applications.  Before assuming that any epoxy 
will do the job, get a statement of suggested applications from the maker. 
Not the seller, (the middleman), but the formulator... the actual maker. 
Note too that some epoxies can be applied to wet surfaces, others require 
absolutely dry surfaces.

For most engine applications, epoxies are acceptable choices for 
reconstruction where high temperatures are not expected.  Anything over the 
boiling point of water can be trouble for a lot of epoxies.  And the 
presence of water can compound the problem.

This is not a blanket condemnation of epoxies for repairing water jackets. 
It is, however, a wake up call that all epoxies are NOT the same and that 
specialty compounds are generally available for most applications.  Do your 
homework and contact the maker for approval for your particular job.

As a side note, the ratio of resin to curing agent can have a profound 
influence on ultimate performance.  Sloppy guessing or failure to properly 
weigh components can really mess up cured properties.  And mix twice a s 
long as you think you have to to truly get association between reacting 
chemicals.

Clean up thoroughly with soap and hot water after exposure to resin and 
curing agent.  After cure, the danger of exposure is greatly reduced... that 
is, the exposure to chiplets and dust from sanding or filing.

Use common sense.

Jim in Vermont



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:30 PM
Subject: [SEL] New epoxy product


> Hi All,
>         A local newsletter has a few interesting articles on repairing
> things with a locally produced epoxy product. I'm trying to get some specs
> on the product which is called "Steenvas" and will keep you updated.
>
>         You can download the newsletter from my site here:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/paraffinalia/index.htm>
>         and download the last link on the right hand side. <Cape Vintage
> Engine12 - April 2009)
>         Read the articles by Andy Self about repairs to a Tangye engine as
> well as a few others.
>
>         The company producing the product has a page here:
> <http://www.steenvas.co.za/index.htm>
> (Excuse the bad grammar - it looks to have been translated from Afrikaans
> to English and pretty badly at that.)
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From curt at rustyiron.com  Tue Apr 28 12:59:14 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:59:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <d8e4ba3895a5d6e65bcd64a883ba8e03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com><59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>
	<59266.168.215.206.73.1240921138.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<EDF70A3B33E3452C8A3E35854BEB99B8@Waynexp>
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Arnie,
When wiring the rings closed there is no gap. Turn the OD to the cylinder
diameter. Then remove from the fixture. I surface ground them to get the
desired width, making them .0005 to .001 narrower than the ring groove.
Just before sliding the rings on, I file the desired gap. I actually do a
modified step gap, cutting the gap only 1/2 way across the ring width on
one side, and the opposite on the other side. Did that make sense?
If you buy step gap piston rings there is considerable overlap when the
ring is installed in the bore.
On the modified step gap, there is no overlap when the ring and bore are
at the same temperature. As the ring temp exceeds the bore temp it grows
and the stepped halves begin to overlap slightly, essentially making for
an air tight gap.
Probably not a big difference over the traditional gaping method across
the full width of the ring, but I figured it couldn't hurt. I've done 3
engines this way now, including the Alamo and they have loads of
compression and run nice and slow.
Curt








> Curt,
>
> I'd forgotten about that webpage.  VERY nice tutorial.  That's one that
> even I could
> follow.  8-))
>
> One question...
>
> Do you set any sort of end gap in the rings when you turn the OD or do you
> include
> that gap when you determine what final OD you want when the ring is in the
> cylinder
> bore?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
>> The traditional method is to cut an over sized ring of the correct
>> dimensions, remove a section, compress the ring to a collapsed diameter
>> (now oval shaped), mount the compressed ring in a turning fixture and
>> then
>> turn the OD to exactly the cylinder diameter. This is the method used by
>> folks like Niagara Piston Ring.
>>
>> I took photos as I was doing this last summer and placed it on my
>> website.
>> Here is the link.
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MakingPistonRings/Thumbnails.html
>
>
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 28 13:46:33 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:46:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
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I've been using ez ups for years, they lasted through the portland storms when the others were bent and destroyed. Steve
 
> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:45:44 -0500
> From: George_Best at adp.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
> 
> I like the Quik-Shade canopy.
> 
> George
> 
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> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:33 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
> 
> Hi all.
> What is your favorite portable shade for your displays? Anything that
> was a total waste of money?
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Apr 28 13:52:01 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:52:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
In-Reply-To: <BB6E135B95C548E5B44D03D5ACD00D00@Ed>
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Hi, Ed.  Get yourself a brass drift, start at one end, and tap the  
rings IN.  Tap a couple times, rotate the piston a few degrees, and  
tap the ring again.  Keep going around and around and around.   
Eventually you'll notice a little movement.  Keep working your way  
around.

When you notice one area is loose and an adjacent area is still stuck,  
don't tap too hard on the loose area, or you'll break something.  Just  
be patient and keep tapping.  Eventually the ring will come loose all  
the way around.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

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On Apr 28, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Ed stoller wrote:

> I finally got the piston out of my Ottawa ES 4282 , 4 HP and the  
> rings will
> not budge. They are packed in with carbon. I had the piston soaking  
> for a
> couple of weeks in a metal paint can in Acetone and ATF. The surface  
> looks
> nice and clean but the rings are stuck. I may have broken one of them
> already. I was thinking that maybe some hydrogen peroxide would  
> oxidize the
> carbon?  Any ideas?????????



From rotigel at me.com  Tue Apr 28 13:45:35 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:45:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
References: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <006501c9c843$f733c920$0901000a@coec543>

EZ-UP is the ONLY one worth any money at all!
    Dave

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Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:33 PM
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade


> Hi all.
> What is your favorite portable shade for your displays?  Anything that
> was a total waste of money?
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Apr 28 14:06:43 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:06:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
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I've also used E-Z Up canopies as well as the Quik-Shade.  In both cases
I think you need to look at the quality of the particular canopy you are
considering.  Both companies have different levels of quality (and
price).

I would go for a heavier model instead of the lightest weight models.
The light ones are the ones that end up in the dumpsters after a wind
storm gets through with them.

I know that at the Grass Valley show many years ago, about half the
canopies were destroyed by a wind storm one night.  Mine was out in the
open field and mine came through undamaged.

Of course it also helps if you have your canopies anchored as an
unanchored one will obviously be one of the first to be damaged.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Royster
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:47 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite portable shade


I've been using ez ups for years, they lasted through the portland
storms when the others were bent and destroyed. Steve
 
> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:45:44 -0500
> From: George_Best at adp.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
> 
> I like the Quik-Shade canopy.
> 
> George
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:33 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
> 
> Hi all.
> What is your favorite portable shade for your displays? Anything that
> was a total waste of money?
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Tue Apr 28 14:11:26 2009
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:11:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
In-Reply-To: <BB6E135B95C548E5B44D03D5ACD00D00@Ed>
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com><59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>	<59266.168.215.206.73.1240921138.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<BB6E135B95C548E5B44D03D5ACD00D00@Ed>
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Ed try the carb cleaner that comes in a bucket for soaking carbs. If its 
any good it will dissolve the carbon. Doug T

Ed stoller wrote:
> I finally got the piston out of my Ottawa ES 4282 , 4 HP and the rings will 
> not budge. They are packed in with carbon. I had the piston soaking for a 
> couple of weeks in a metal paint can in Acetone and ATF. The surface looks 
> nice and clean but the rings are stuck. I may have broken one of them 
> already. I was thinking that maybe some hydrogen peroxide would oxidize the 
> carbon?  Any ideas?????????
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr 28 14:52:59 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:52:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
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Hi Ron,

That's an easy one.  Ez-Up.  http://www.ezup.com/index.html

Let me add a couple of observations.

Be sure to get the side skirts that attach with velcro.  When that horrific
thunderstorm hits (with the horizontal rain) you'll be nice and dry.  And chatting
with about thirty new-found engine friends who are taking shelter under your canopy.

Also get four 1" ratchet straps and four screw-in anchors.  Put that junk into an
ammo box and use it to anchor your canopy at the four corners.  You'll be secure
against anything short of a direct tornado hit.

I assume that you ARE talking about people shade here and not shade for your
engines?  Real men let their engines run in the rain.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, April 28, 2009 3:33 pm, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
>
> What is your favorite portable shade for your displays?  Anything that
> was a total waste of money?





From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Tue Apr 28 15:07:34 2009
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:07:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <61662.69632.qm@web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Well....

I have the best of all worlds....It depends on what event I am going to and how long I will be there.

For a 1 day show, I use a 10x10 quick shade (ezup type).  I usually replace it every other year (sometimes 3 years)...as I pick them up for sale for $40-50.  The first Ezup (the original brand name) I had lasted 2 years due to a family member using it and leaving it up during a heavy rain storm...It collected water and dumped the frame into many broken pieces and ripping the top severely.

For 2 Day shows, I use either the 10x10 quickshade or a piece together tent (we have tops for either 10x10 or 10x20).  

Any show more than 2 days we normally put up the piece together pipe tent with siver top....  we did cut the 10' lenghts down to 5' (for easier transport) and use a coupler to put them together.

In high wind and rain, nothing will beat the silver topped pipe units (properly anchored of course).  Just make sure that you get the top that wraps over the side by 6" so you can put sides up if needed...I have 4 from my orginal ezup that I can use + other tarps as needed. 

If you are just looking for shade and not rain protection, anything from the quickshade to the ezup will work fine...just depends on how much you want to spend.  For Me, I use the cheaper ones on sale...I did get one with a tarp fabric top roof that bearly lasted 1.5 years..

Steve

--- On Tue, 4/28/09, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:

From: rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com>
Subject: Favorite portable shade
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com, stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 2:33 PM
Hi all.
What is your favorite portable shade for your displays? 
Anything that was a total waste of money?
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell



From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Apr 28 15:58:54 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:58:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20090428225840.774773A86D5@mail03.wcoil.com>

This I will say first and most stridently, The best canopy in the 
world will be destroyed if not properly anchored down. That said over 
28 years of going to shows the canopies that are the shallow peak 
silver tarp using the 3/4" EMT conduit for poles have in my opinion 
shown the best of all overall through all kinds of weather. See the 
link below for a picture of one. These properly anchored will survive 
far and above more often then any other I have seen. These can be 
gotten in all sizes, from  10X10 to whatever they make a tarp for. 
Most commonly seen in the sixes 10X20 & 12X20 The size you get is up 
to your needs. Make sure you buy the heavy duty silver with the 
reinforced eyelets spaced about 20" apart. Get the longest rebar 
stake you can find to serve as anchor for the post. 12" to 15" is the 
common lengths but you can find them sometimes in 18" or make your 
own length. These generally have a washer or a chain link welded to 
them for the post to set on and the tie rope to latch to. And I 
recommend that you get pet or dog tie screws to run in the ground 
beside each post to run the tie down to for extra security in case of 
a horrid storm. In your average to moderately severe storm with winds 
up to 40-50 mph straight line wind the long rebar stakes will likely 
serve well, soil type and condition has a big determining factor as 
to how quick they may pull out. The style of canopy I mention is like 
what's shown in this link. This is not an endorsement for this site 
this is just a picture to represent what canopy I speak 
about   http://www.championcanopies.com/classic.html    I see that 
they only offer the classic in high peak now. (not pictured at this 
link) , I do not recommend a high peak canopy. The high peak canopy 
is more likely to have a problem in a high wind as the high sides of 
the peak act more like a sail to catch the wind and shove a canopy 
over. Seen that happen many times. The shallow peak allows the wind 
to pass through more easily.
The 3/4" EMT conduit poles have the best flex before bend rate you 
can get. 1" EMT and especially those white large diameter poles you 
get from the big box retailers and others is more likely to kink 
before it bows and will kink while a 3/4" only flexes. Flexibility is 
the key. If it will not flex it will kink.  Myself I would recommend 
the style of canopy pictured in the link in the 12X20 Size and get a 
tarp with a valance for added coverage in a rain or late afternoon 
sun. But your mileage may vary.  With a little practice one man can 
set up and stake down a 12X20 with the 3/4" poles in 20 minutes. With 
inexperienced help 30 or more.  15 min or less if the helper has one 
like yours and is well versed in its assembly (Thank You BOB!) . If 
your help is unfamiliar with them lord help you. GRINNN
As for the pop up and ez ups its not unusual to see them get torn 
down in a rain. In my opinion they really are only safe for fare 
weather. But hey its fun to see them afterwards. Sorry to any of you 
who have lost one.
  Keep in mind the 12X20 I recommend can very easily be converted to 
10X12  or the 10X20 to 10X10 by purchasing another tarp and not using 
a section of the connectors and conduit.
  I leave mine set up outside all year round. Only problem was with 
snow load. A heavy snow bowed some poles but they easily straightened 
enough to reuse.
  Remember ANCHOR any Tent or Canopy Securely!! Or we will laugh as 
its blown down or away!  Sorry its not hard to amuse us at an engine 
show, GRINN.                           TTYL,    Mark


At 03:33 PM 4/28/2009, you wrote:
>Hi all.
>What is your favorite portable shade for your displays?  Anything that
>was a total waste of money?
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California USA

Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

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From avanti_64 at juno.com  Tue Apr 28 16:23:39 2009
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:23:39 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Caught in New HAmpshire
Message-ID: <20090428.192339.6326.1@webmail07.vgs.untd.com>

I am going to do some checking on this. 
Joe Kelley
President 
Maine Antique Power Assn

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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Tue Apr 28 16:36:58 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:36:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Canopy thread
In-Reply-To: <20090428225840.774773A86D5@mail03.wcoil.com>
References: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
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Powell & Powell Supply Company in NC sells Sams club their stuff & carry the 

King canopy brand name, link below

 

http://www.kingcanopy.com/home

 

Check it out guys, Ive had a 10 x 20 for 6 years used 2 covers, 

anchored they will withstand near hurricane winds & have

here in Wilmington NC

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:58:54 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> From: frappi at wcoil.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
> 
> This I will say first and most stridently, The best canopy in the 
> world will be destroyed if not properly anchored down. That said over 
> 28 years of going to shows the canopies that are the shallow peak 
> silver tarp using the 3/4" EMT conduit for poles have in my opinion 
> shown the best of all overall through all kinds of weather. See the 
> link below for a picture of one. These properly anchored will survive 
> far and above more often then any other I have seen. These can be 
> gotten in all sizes, from 10X10 to whatever they make a tarp for. 
> Most commonly seen in the sixes 10X20 & 12X20 The size you get is up 
> to your needs. Make sure you buy the heavy duty silver with the 
> reinforced eyelets spaced about 20" apart. Get the longest rebar 
> stake you can find to serve as anchor for the post. 12" to 15" is the 
> common lengths but you can find them sometimes in 18" or make your 
> own length. These generally have a washer or a chain link welded to 
> them for the post to set on and the tie rope to latch to. And I 
> recommend that you get pet or dog tie screws to run in the ground 
> beside each post to run the tie down to for extra security in case of 
> a horrid storm. In your average to moderately severe storm with winds 
> up to 40-50 mph straight line wind the long rebar stakes will likely 
> serve well, soil type and condition has a big determining factor as 
> to how quick they may pull out. The style of canopy I mention is like 
> what's shown in this link. This is not an endorsement for this site 
> this is just a picture to represent what canopy I speak 
> about http://www.championcanopies.com/classic.html I see that 
> they only offer the classic in high peak now. (not pictured at this 
> link) , I do not recommend a high peak canopy. The high peak canopy 
> is more likely to have a problem in a high wind as the high sides of 
> the peak act more like a sail to catch the wind and shove a canopy 
> over. Seen that happen many times. The shallow peak allows the wind 
> to pass through more easily.
> The 3/4" EMT conduit poles have the best flex before bend rate you 
> can get. 1" EMT and especially those white large diameter poles you 
> get from the big box retailers and others is more likely to kink 
> before it bows and will kink while a 3/4" only flexes. Flexibility is 
> the key. If it will not flex it will kink. Myself I would recommend 
> the style of canopy pictured in the link in the 12X20 Size and get a 
> tarp with a valance for added coverage in a rain or late afternoon 
> sun. But your mileage may vary. With a little practice one man can 
> set up and stake down a 12X20 with the 3/4" poles in 20 minutes. With 
> inexperienced help 30 or more. 15 min or less if the helper has one 
> like yours and is well versed in its assembly (Thank You BOB!) . If 
> your help is unfamiliar with them lord help you. GRINNN
> As for the pop up and ez ups its not unusual to see them get torn 
> down in a rain. In my opinion they really are only safe for fare 
> weather. But hey its fun to see them afterwards. Sorry to any of you 
> who have lost one.
> Keep in mind the 12X20 I recommend can very easily be converted to 
> 10X12 or the 10X20 to 10X10 by purchasing another tarp and not using 
> a section of the connectors and conduit.
> I leave mine set up outside all year round. Only problem was with 
> snow load. A heavy snow bowed some poles but they easily straightened 
> enough to reuse.
> Remember ANCHOR any Tent or Canopy Securely!! Or we will laugh as 
> its blown down or away! Sorry its not hard to amuse us at an engine 
> show, GRINN. TTYL, Mark
> 
> 
> At 03:33 PM 4/28/2009, you wrote:
> >Hi all.
> >What is your favorite portable shade for your displays? Anything that
> >was a total waste of money?
> >
> >Ron Haskell
> >rdhaskell at juno.com
> >Riverside, California USA
> 
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA
> 
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com 
> 
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From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Apr 28 18:39:12 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:39:12 -0700
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <59447.168.215.206.73.1240948754.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <20090428213912.03AB0.1748169.root@mp16>


---- curt at rustyiron.com wrote: 
> Arnie,
> When wiring the rings closed there is no gap. Turn the OD to the cylinder
> diameter. Then remove from the fixture. I surface ground them to get the
> desired width, making them .0005 to .001 narrower than the ring groove.
> Just before sliding the rings on, I file the desired gap. I actually do a
> modified step gap, cutting the gap only 1/2 way across the ring width on
> one side, and the opposite on the other side. Did that make sense?
> If you buy step gap piston rings there is considerable overlap when the
> ring is installed in the bore.
> On the modified step gap, there is no overlap when the ring and bore are
> at the same temperature. As the ring temp exceeds the bore temp it grows
> and the stepped halves begin to overlap slightly, essentially making for
> an air tight gap.
> Probably not a big difference over the traditional gaping method across
> the full width of the ring, but I figured it couldn't hurt. I've done 3
> engines this way now, including the Alamo and they have loads of
> compression and run nice and slow.
> Curt
> 
> 
Stepped ring gaps look good but don't help. Compression doesn't travel "line of sight". As the piston is coming up on compression the ring is forced to the bottom of the piston, compression is coming over the top and against the back, it actually helps to expand the ring. The overlapped step has the same or usually a larger gap at the bottom half, compression will find it's way to the gap and out. I've seen pinned rings with the pins on the bottom side of the land. This is a poor design, the area around the pin equals the gap, 1/4" is not uncommon. If the pin is on the top, the bottom half of the ring can be gapped as a normal ring. End gap counts for a small loss of compression, the fit of the ring to the piston land is one of the most critical areas. If a ring wears, the piston wears with it, maintaining a seal. When a new square edged ring is put into a worn groove, compression leaks all around, it would probably take years of running for this to "seat in".
J.B. Castagnos


From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Apr 28 18:43:46 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:43:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
In-Reply-To: <87031C06-E6E9-47C2-B842-D8C1CF149417@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <20090428214346.JD16I.1748501.root@mp16>


 
> On Apr 28, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Ed stoller wrote:
> 
> > I finally got the piston out of my Ottawa ES 4282 , 4 HP and the  
> > rings will
> > not budge. They are packed in with carbon. I had the piston soaking  
> > for a
> > couple of weeks in a metal paint can in Acetone and ATF. The surface  
> > looks
> > nice and clean but the rings are stuck. I may have broken one of them
> > already. I was thinking that maybe some hydrogen peroxide would  
> > oxidize the
> > carbon?  Any ideas?????????
> 
If you have a torch heat the inside of the piston in back of the rings, this will expand it away from the rings.
J.B. Castagnos


From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Apr 28 19:07:09 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:07:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Caught in New HAmpshire
Message-ID: <20090429020655.11E531D1016@mail04.wcoil.com>

Ok heres the latest with what happened in more detail. I am still 
withholding last names of the involved till charges are filed if 
ever. This happened in Bethlehem New Hampshire over the weekend. Jim 
the owner of the engines and his wife left for the recycling center 
which is just two blocks from their house and returned a few minutes 
later to find a pick up truck with ramps and a winch in the bed 
backed up to his I think he said a 5 hp?? Waterloo engine which is 
behind his garage. Keep in mind this is the only engine outside and 
it is not visible from the road at any angle. Jim has lots of trees 
around. The truck was backed up directly to the engine and the tail 
gate was down, So they had just arrived. Jim and his wife came home 
to see this and called the law. The two gentleman claimed to have 
just been driving by and seen the engine and wanted to try to buy it. 
(Remember the engine is not visible from the road)  The two men are 
from Maine which is just 40 miles from Jim's place so  it may be 
reasonable that they were just riving by but it can not be seen from 
the road. Where the men are from in Maine I do not know.  Jim got the 
engine two months ago and has not shown it yet.
Today the sheriff and the prosecutor are not sure they can bring 
charges as the suspects had not dropped the ramps on the ground yet 
or hooked the winch to the engine. Which would clearly show intent 
the sheriff says. But without the ramps on the ground or the winch 
hooked up they are not sure they can file charges that will stick. 
Backed up to an item not visible from the road does not show enough intent.
  So charges may not be brought up. And if so we can not mention the 
names of the two gentlemen. They can not even be brought up on 
trespassing charges as there isn't any No Trespassing signs posted.
Still waiting to hear how the two men found out about the engine to 
even know it was there. I will pass on more as I learn 
it.                          Mark





From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Apr 28 19:13:56 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:13:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Caught in New HAmpshire
In-Reply-To: <20090428.192339.6326.1@webmail07.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20090428.192339.6326.1@webmail07.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <20090429021341.BC21B3C0745@mail02.wcoil.com>

Hi Joe,
  The fellow who told me this is Jim Duguay from Bethlehem New 
Hampshire. Email  Pisswink4 at aol.com  Let me know what you hear.     Mark



At 07:23 PM 4/28/2009, you wrote:
>I am going to do some checking on this.
>Joe Kelley
>President
>Maine Antique Power Assn
>

Mark Shulaw
Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601





From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Apr 28 19:30:31 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:30:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
In-Reply-To: <20090428214346.JD16I.1748501.root@mp16>
References: <87031C06-E6E9-47C2-B842-D8C1CF149417@rustyiron.com>
	<20090428214346.JD16I.1748501.root@mp16>
Message-ID: <20090429023016.AC6661D1016@mail04.wcoil.com>

If you don't have a torch, stand the piston up on end and pour 
boiling water in the back side. Boil enough to pour it full, dump it 
out after a few moments. Refill with the rest of the hot water.  Or 
if you have the stuff needed, Just boil the piston in a pail of 
water. Dump some detergent in the water after its boiled a while, 
doesn't take much.    Mark



At 09:43 PM 4/28/2009, you wrote:

>
> > On Apr 28, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Ed stoller wrote:
> >
> > > I finally got the piston out of my Ottawa ES 4282 , 4 HP and the
> > > rings will
> > > not budge. They are packed in with carbon. I had the piston soaking
> > > for a
> > > couple of weeks in a metal paint can in Acetone and ATF. The surface
> > > looks
> > > nice and clean but the rings are stuck. I may have broken one of them
> > > already. I was thinking that maybe some hydrogen peroxide would
> > > oxidize the
> > > carbon?  Any ideas?????????
> >
>If you have a torch heat the inside of the piston in back of the 
>rings, this will expand it away from the rings.
>J.B. Castagnos
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Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site   www.Maytagclub.com  



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Apr 28 19:47:46 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:47:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] new model
In-Reply-To: <441E55B008654D19A1CD878BBDFDE1BF@REG>
Message-ID: <C61DFCF2.10E2%pml1@bigpond.net.au>

That is a work or art. The quality and detail is amazing!


On 28/4/09 5:16 PM, "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:

> I would like to share with you, a project that is not mine.
> A while back, (Dont ask how long!) I got a set of castings, just started,
> from Brad Smith, for a Holt 4 cyl model.
> On looking at them, and weighing up my ability, (Injuries, etc.), I sorta
> said ("Ha, No way!).
> So, I gave them to a good friend who, being a carer for a sick wife, did not
> have a project to play with.
> I am so proud of what he has achieved. Not only did he build the engine but,
> he even made the tractor!
> (He has no idea that I am sharing this.)
> His workshop is a7x5Foot garden shed.
> I am totally in awe of this mate.
> Enjoy the pics.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From falcon at telenet.net  Tue Apr 28 20:06:41 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:06:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090428183135.00c19238@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090428183135.00c19238@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <49F7C441.6060801@telenet.net>

Jerry Evans wrote:
> At 06:00 PM 28/04/2009, you wrote:
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:16:11 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings
>> Hi Jerry,
>> I've tried using cable ties in lieu of a ring compressor and did not have 
>> success.
>> The rings just weren't compressed down below the surface of the 
>> piston.  Hose clamps
>> have worked well however.
>> I also don't see being able to apply enough "squeeze" to a water or fuel 
>> line with a
>> cable tie to make a difference.
>> If you've had success with both, GREAT.  That success may not be universal.
>> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Hi Arnie,
>          Thanks for the reply.
>          3 weeks ago I put new rings into a Victa lawn mower engine using 
> cable ties. Because I was going to slip the cylinder over the piston which 
> was attached to the crank I would not have been able to get my normal ring 
> compressor out without a lot of difficulty. The cable ties I used were 
> narrower than the rings and I placed the "buckle" opposite the ring gap and 
> pulled it tight with a pair of pliers. It worked perfectly - "slipped in 
> like a banana"!!
> (I cut each tie off with a Stanley knife as that ring was in so that the 
> tie would not interfere with the next one.)
>          Re pipes, I did mention that it was a temporary solution and it 
> does work although the pipe probably has to be a good fit in the first 
> place- it would not be as good as a steel hose clamp at compressing a 
> slightly oversize pipe.
> Keep well,
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
The tool you guys need to compress those rings is a ribbed ring
compressor. I have one in the oddball tools box. It has square
corrugations that interlock. You wrap it around the piston, interleave
the sections and tighten it down. It works like the standard sleeve type
but comes apart easily for engines that cannot use standard tools.

-- 
Steve Williams
Firefighter, EMT, Fire Police
Van Hornesville Vol. Fire Dept


From rotigel at me.com  Tue Apr 28 20:35:14 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:35:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ballot Box Stuffing Request
References: <3F97E6282B034581A969D506D2FB4019@FBI>
	<73be93fd109955f0c54f462e74488ab1.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090326163004.02337050@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<72B73E39-1F04-461D-9CE6-08D7F28D2EBB@me.com>
	<ab3933cb3198ebfa2b0290129e651a38.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<004d01c9c6d8$bbd84c00$0901000a@coec543>
	<00fc01c9c7c4$acf33ff0$0901000a@coec543>
	<9B9E98A314CF4A58888366F7C64A24C9@JIMDUNMYER>
Message-ID: <002401c9c87b$832b5ec0$0901000a@coec543>

Hi Jim,
    At 9:30 this morning--when Arnie gets out of bed the lovely #19 was
ahead of that #7 bitch by 69 votes. 69 has always been a good omen for me in
terms of what is to come, so I think the lovely # 19 will have an easy coast
to VICTORY! Having said that all of you who have not voted need to do so
ASAP. IF YOU CAN VOTE MORE THAN ONCE THEN, BY ALL MEANS do so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FIND A WAY TO DO SO FROM ANOTHER MACHINE. That dyke that lives just down the
block from you has a puter--go ask her--NOW. Also, that FAG that you have
been avoiding since day ONE? Well, nows the time to make a new friend so
that you can use his puter to vote for the LOVERY #19!
    Go to http://www.brollopsmagasinet.se/?id=10554   and keep in mind, your 
last vote  counts JUST AS MUCH as your first vote!
    Dave
PS, Early and often is operative description of this tactic--DO 
IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PPS, 78 up now and counting!
PPPS,CARRY ON!!!!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Dunmyer" <jdunmyer at toltbbs.com>
To: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: Ballot Box Stuffing Request


> She's ahead, 450 -> 372. I just voted for about the 4th or 5th time. ;-)
>
> (Damn, I feel just like a Democrat!)
>
>                                                               <<Jim>>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: <slick at toltbbs.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Ballot Box Stuffing Request
>
>
>> Hi Guys,
>>    Things are beginning to happen in the vote tallied for the most
>> beautiful bride. The lovely #19 is currently up by 56 votes (417 to 361.)
>>
>
>



From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Apr 28 20:48:35 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:48:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ballot Box Stuffing Request
In-Reply-To: <002401c9c87b$832b5ec0$0901000a@coec543>
Message-ID: <9AAE1F7D010E46A0BC9CB12BCC0218E6@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Dave,
	We always do here in KY.

Tommy Turner



IF YOU CAN VOTE MORE THAN ONCE THEN, BY ALL MEANS do so!!!!!!!    

Dave



From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Apr 28 20:58:12 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:58:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ballot Box Stuffing Request
In-Reply-To: <9AAE1F7D010E46A0BC9CB12BCC0218E6@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <F1EE81053F4741298C703975247F2D00@tommydk7hxjr4h>

In regards to voting Dave, several years ago one of our local
politicians spent public funds having the steets in a private cemetery
paved.  He was brought before the Grand Jury as the prosecutor was
trying to return an indictment.  When asked why he did it, he stated
"When I ran for office I promised to do everying I could for those that
voted for me.... I figured I got more votes out of there than anywhere
else".  The Grand Jury didn't return an indictment.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge
Tommy Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:49 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Ballot Box Stuffing Request


Dave,
	We always do here in KY.

Tommy Turner



IF YOU CAN VOTE MORE THAN ONCE THEN, BY ALL MEANS do so!!!!!!!    

Dave

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From rotigel at me.com  Tue Apr 28 21:01:33 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:01:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ballot Box Stuffing Request
References: <9AAE1F7D010E46A0BC9CB12BCC0218E6@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <004f01c9c87f$3067a370$0901000a@coec543>

Is that how the current POTUS got in?
    Dave        
PS, Thank you for your voteS

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Ballot Box Stuffing Request


> Dave,
> We always do here in KY.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> 
> 
> 
> IF YOU CAN VOTE MORE THAN ONCE THEN, BY ALL MEANS do so!!!!!!!    
> 
> Dave
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Apr 28 21:15:50 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:15:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ballot Box Stuffing Request
In-Reply-To: <004f01c9c87f$3067a370$0901000a@coec543>
Message-ID: <371B5815C0844AE7B6785C055F75087F@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Not sure about other states but he lost KY 60/40.  There may have been
some "doubling up" for McCain.

Tommy Turner




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Rotigel
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:02 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Ballot Box Stuffing Request


Is that how the current POTUS got in?
    Dave        
PS, Thank you for your voteS

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Ballot Box Stuffing Request


> Dave,
> We always do here in KY.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> 
> 
> 
> IF YOU CAN VOTE MORE THAN ONCE THEN, BY ALL MEANS do so!!!!!!!    
> 
> Dave
> 
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 29 03:11:39 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:11:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
Message-ID: <868134.98629.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I started with a plain 10' X 20' canopy like this one.
http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=102508
?
I?then found that chain link fence top rail pipe was the same outer size so I replaced the "rafter" pipes with longer ones so I now display under an 18' X 20' canopy.? 
Buying more pipes, connectors, ball bungies and different sized tarps my canopy can now be put up in these sizes.
10 X 10
10 X 20
18 X 20 
18 X 30
18 X 40
?
I use steel T-posts to hold it down unless I am setting it up one a hard surface then I use sand in 5-gallon buckets.
I like the T-posts because of these tools.
http://www.premier1supplies.com/detail.php?prod_id=446&cat_id=47
http://search.harborfreight.com/cpisearch/web/search.do?keyword=t-post+puller
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Tue, 4/28/09, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:


From: rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com>
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com, stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 3:33 PM


Hi all.
What is your favorite portable shade for your displays?? Anything that
was a total waste of money?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 29 03:52:32 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:52:32 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W62EB4A9BFFF4E6BA9518DF956E0@phx.gbl>
References: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590AB58C7F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> 
	<COL112-W62EB4A9BFFF4E6BA9518DF956E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU135-W548EC9574CF05514A3795DC86F0@phx.gbl>


Steve's ez up can be seen in action here:

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-62.jpg

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-64.jpg

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 

=========================================
 
> From: steve_royster at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
> 
> 
> I've been using ez ups for years, they lasted through the portland storms when the others were bent and destroyed. Steve
> 

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From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Wed Apr 29 04:22:02 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:22:02 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Caught in New HAmpshire
In-Reply-To: <20090429020655.11E531D1016@mail04.wcoil.com>
References: <20090429020655.11E531D1016@mail04.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <49849.203.12.35.157.1241004122.squirrel@boiler>

I think they can be more punished. Publish the circumstances and the names
of everyone involved. Stick only to known facts with no embellishment or
interpretation. Let people make up their own minds. I cannot believe you
need no tresspass signs in the us - doesn't he have a fence?

Paul

> Ok heres the latest with what happened in more detail. I am still
> withholding last names of the involved till charges are filed if
> ever. This happened in Bethlehem New Hampshire over the weekend. Jim
> the owner of the engines and his wife left for the recycling center
> which is just two blocks from their house and returned a few minutes
> later to find a pick up truck with ramps and a winch in the bed
> backed up to his I think he said a 5 hp?? Waterloo engine which is
> behind his garage. Keep in mind this is the only engine outside and
> it is not visible from the road at any angle. Jim has lots of trees
> around. The truck was backed up directly to the engine and the tail
> gate was down, So they had just arrived. Jim and his wife came home
> to see this and called the law. The two gentleman claimed to have
> just been driving by and seen the engine and wanted to try to buy it.
> (Remember the engine is not visible from the road)  The two men are
> from Maine which is just 40 miles from Jim's place so  it may be
> reasonable that they were just riving by but it can not be seen from
> the road. Where the men are from in Maine I do not know.  Jim got the
> engine two months ago and has not shown it yet.
> Today the sheriff and the prosecutor are not sure they can bring
> charges as the suspects had not dropped the ramps on the ground yet
> or hooked the winch to the engine. Which would clearly show intent
> the sheriff says. But without the ramps on the ground or the winch
> hooked up they are not sure they can file charges that will stick.
> Backed up to an item not visible from the road does not show enough
> intent.
>   So charges may not be brought up. And if so we can not mention the
> names of the two gentlemen. They can not even be brought up on
> trespassing charges as there isn't any No Trespassing signs posted.
> Still waiting to hear how the two men found out about the engine to
> even know it was there. I will pass on more as I learn
> it.                          Mark
>
>
>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Apr 29 04:30:48 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:30:48 +0000
Subject: [SEL] What Show to Visit
In-Reply-To: <00f401c9c7bd$52f7fce0$0901000a@coec543>
References: <49F67C4E.4090009@telus.net>
	<00f401c9c7bd$52f7fce0$0901000a@coec543>
Message-ID: <042920091130.21473.49F83A680002394A000053E1223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Dave,
Baraboo Show date is 21,22 & 23 August 2009.  Did you want your room reserved in advance starting from the second weekend or third weekend??????
Check out:  www.badgersteamandgas.com 
Curt
-------------- Original message from Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>: -------------- 


> Hi Jeff and Marja, You fail to mention TWO shows that are a must for any 
> engine gal/man. The first is in Baraboo, WI the 2nd weekend in August and 
> the second is MECA. MECA is sometimes referred to as Portland IN since it IS 
> referred to as the LARGEST ENGINE SHOW IN THE world! You also need to plan a 
> trip to one of the COOLSPRING, PA shows/museum. You will see engines there 
> that are ONE OF A KIND! 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Allen Home" 
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:47 PM 
> Subject: [SEL] What Show to Visit 
> 
> 
> > Hello to All; 
> > Its been a long time lurking for me but now I need some help. My wife 
> > and I am planning to be in London, Toronto and Midland, Ontario, Canada 
> > some time in July and /or early August this year. We want to attend some 
> > engine and tractor shows in Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, or 
> > Ohio. I have the 2009 Show Directory but do not know what are the best 
> > showes to attend in terms of size and variety. We will fly into Toronto 
> > and rent a car for a few weeks. We would plan to do day trips from 
> > London or Toronto or overnight stays for special shows. Any advice would 
> > be welcome. We might be convinced to drive from Edmonton through Canada 
> > and northern states via Chicago up to Toronto if special shows are 
> > suggested. 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > Jeff & Marja Allen at Home 
> > Edmonton, Alberta, Canada 
> > 
> > 
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Wed Apr 29 04:36:57 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:36:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Caught in New HAmpshire
References: <20090429020655.11E531D1016@mail04.wcoil.com>
	<49849.203.12.35.157.1241004122.squirrel@boiler>
Message-ID: <003c01c9c8be$ce01dda0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

No trespassing signs are going up today at the Tod Engine Heritage Park.  We 
have no fence along the back of the property yet.

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Foundation
"Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-272-4089
www.todengine.org

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <pjp08 at steamengine.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Thieves Caught in New HAmpshire


>I think they can be more punished. Publish the circumstances and the names
> of everyone involved. Stick only to known facts with no embellishment or
> interpretation. Let people make up their own minds. I cannot believe you
> need no tresspass signs in the us - doesn't he have a fence?
>
> Paul
>
>> Ok heres the latest with what happened in more detail. I am still
>> withholding last names of the involved till charges are filed if
>> ever. This happened in Bethlehem New Hampshire over the weekend. Jim
>> the owner of the engines and his wife left for the recycling center
>> which is just two blocks from their house and returned a few minutes
>> later to find a pick up truck with ramps and a winch in the bed
>> backed up to his I think he said a 5 hp?? Waterloo engine which is
>> behind his garage. Keep in mind this is the only engine outside and
>> it is not visible from the road at any angle. Jim has lots of trees
>> around. The truck was backed up directly to the engine and the tail
>> gate was down, So they had just arrived. Jim and his wife came home
>> to see this and called the law. The two gentleman claimed to have
>> just been driving by and seen the engine and wanted to try to buy it.
>> (Remember the engine is not visible from the road)  The two men are
>> from Maine which is just 40 miles from Jim's place so  it may be
>> reasonable that they were just riving by but it can not be seen from
>> the road. Where the men are from in Maine I do not know.  Jim got the
>> engine two months ago and has not shown it yet.
>> Today the sheriff and the prosecutor are not sure they can bring
>> charges as the suspects had not dropped the ramps on the ground yet
>> or hooked the winch to the engine. Which would clearly show intent
>> the sheriff says. But without the ramps on the ground or the winch
>> hooked up they are not sure they can file charges that will stick.
>> Backed up to an item not visible from the road does not show enough
>> intent.
>>   So charges may not be brought up. And if so we can not mention the
>> names of the two gentlemen. They can not even be brought up on
>> trespassing charges as there isn't any No Trespassing signs posted.
>> Still waiting to hear how the two men found out about the engine to
>> even know it was there. I will pass on more as I learn
>> it.                          Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 29 04:48:56 2009
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:48:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
References: <87031C06-E6E9-47C2-B842-D8C1CF149417@rustyiron.com><20090428214346.JD16I.1748501.root@mp16>
	<20090429023016.AC6661D1016@mail04.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <1355BC53926146FE9C3A381A8E570140@Ed>

Thank you Mark and JB.

The piston is in a covered can with the home brew P oil inside this time. 
Next time my wife goes to a movie, I try cooking it on her new stove. Lets 
hope I don't get caught.  If that don't work, I will try the torch inside 
the piston. I thought of turning the carbon to co2 with the torch, but did 
not want to risk changing the temper of the rings.

This hobby is really fun when we do things we never did before.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings


> If you don't have a torch, stand the piston up on end and pour
> boiling water in the back side. Boil enough to pour it full, dump it
> out after a few moments. Refill with the rest of the hot water.  Or
> if you have the stuff needed, Just boil the piston in a pail of
> water. Dump some detergent in the water after its boiled a while,
> doesn't take much.    Mark
>
>
>
> At 09:43 PM 4/28/2009, you wrote:
>
>>
>> > On Apr 28, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Ed stoller wrote:
>> >
>> > > I finally got the piston out of my Ottawa ES 4282 , 4 HP and the
>> > > rings will
>> > > not budge. They are packed in with carbon. I had the piston soaking
>> > > for a
>> > > couple of weeks in a metal paint can in Acetone and ATF. The surface
>> > > looks
>> > > nice and clean but the rings are stuck. I may have broken one of them
>> > > already. I was thinking that maybe some hydrogen peroxide would
>> > > oxidize the
>> > > carbon?  Any ideas?????????
>> >
>>If you have a torch heat the inside of the piston in back of the
>>rings, this will expand it away from the rings.
>>J.B. Castagnos
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>
> Mark Shulaw
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr 29 04:56:01 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:56:01 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT Nice bit of programming
Message-ID: <011b01c9c8c1$7b44f590$3a290556@intrepid>

I think this is the best bit of program writing I have seen for a while!
Also a firm with a good sense of humour.
HEMA is a Dutch department store. Take a look at their product page. 
You can't order anything (it's in Dutch, anyway)  but just wait a couple of 
seconds and watch what happens. Switch on Sound!
Don't click on any of the item pictures, just wait and see what happens.
This company has a sense of humor and a great computer programmer!!

http://producten.hema.nl/


Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From marinesurveys at msn.com  Wed Apr 29 05:16:20 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:16:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Nice bit of programming
In-Reply-To: <011b01c9c8c1$7b44f590$3a290556@intrepid>
References: <011b01c9c8c1$7b44f590$3a290556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <COL106-W229127A06AB570473D39C8B46F0@phx.gbl>


Dave;

you have too much time on your hands :)

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:56:01 +0100
> CC: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] OT Nice bit of programming
> 
> I think this is the best bit of program writing I have seen for a while!
> Also a firm with a good sense of humour.
> HEMA is a Dutch department store. Take a look at their product page. 
> You can't order anything (it's in Dutch, anyway) but just wait a couple of 
> seconds and watch what happens. Switch on Sound!
> Don't click on any of the item pictures, just wait and see what happens.
> This company has a sense of humor and a great computer programmer!!
> 
> http://producten.hema.nl/
> 
> 
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Apr 29 05:54:18 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:54:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Nice bit of programming
In-Reply-To: <011b01c9c8c1$7b44f590$3a290556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <53082A8038D9476196AA7189ABD41269@tommyd0x52gkco>

That's neat Dave.  I notice there is a bit of universal language though.
On the last page the big radio is labeled "Ghettoblaster".

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:56 AM
To: Oldengine.org
Cc: atis
Subject: [SEL] OT Nice bit of programming


I think this is the best bit of program writing I have seen for a while!
Also a firm with a good sense of humour. HEMA is a Dutch department
store. Take a look at their product page. 
You can't order anything (it's in Dutch, anyway)  but just wait a couple
of 
seconds and watch what happens. Switch on Sound!
Don't click on any of the item pictures, just wait and see what happens.
This company has a sense of humor and a great computer programmer!!

http://producten.hema.nl/


Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

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From kimmell at verizon.net  Wed Apr 29 06:23:11 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:23:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Caught in New HAmpshire
In-Reply-To: <49849.203.12.35.157.1241004122.squirrel@boiler>
References: <20090429020655.11E531D1016@mail04.wcoil.com>
	<49849.203.12.35.157.1241004122.squirrel@boiler>
Message-ID: <0KIV0028M6IZ6MR6@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>

Welcome to the liberal USA.  The only people who get punished around 
here anymore are the innocent ones...

-Tony


At 06:22 AM 4/29/2009, you wrote:
>I cannot believe you need no tresspass signs in the us - doesn't he 
>have a fence?
>
>Paul




From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Wed Apr 29 07:03:52 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:03:52 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <50632.203.12.35.157.1241013832.squirrel@boiler>

Three 3m spars, two rope square lashings, six guy ropes and tent pegs and
a tarp. What else could you need? Hehehe - spot the Scout leader :).

Paul

> Hi all.
> What is your favorite portable shade for your displays?  Anything that
> was a total waste of money?
>




From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Wed Apr 29 07:18:16 2009
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:18:16 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
In-Reply-To: <1355BC53926146FE9C3A381A8E570140@Ed>
References: <87031C06-E6E9-47C2-B842-D8C1CF149417@rustyiron.com><20090428214346.JD16I.1748501.root@mp16>	<20090429023016.AC6661D1016@mail04.wcoil.com>
	<1355BC53926146FE9C3A381A8E570140@Ed>
Message-ID: <49F861A8.6060704@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Ed

A word of advice from one on the same team as your wife (last time I 
went to a movie I came home to find an R&V on the kitchen table, being 
pinstriped) - beware of the SMELL when cooking engine parts.  It might 
give you away!  Again, I'm speaking from experience here, when the head 
from a Petter Atomic had some overnight heat treatment in my Aga 
cooker.  It was some days before the smell and taint went.
So just bear in mind that your idea of "fun" might not be quite the same 
as Mrs Stoller's.
Hope this helps,
Dolly

Ed stoller wrote:
> Thank you Mark and JB.
>
> The piston is in a covered can with the home brew P oil inside this time. 
> Next time my wife goes to a movie, I try cooking it on her new stove. Lets 
> hope I don't get caught.  If that don't work, I will try the torch inside 
> the piston. I thought of turning the carbon to co2 with the torch, but did 
> not want to risk changing the temper of the rings.
>
> This hobby is really fun when we do things we never did before.
>
> Ed Stoller
>   

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 29 07:51:39 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:51:39 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
In-Reply-To: <49F861A8.6060704@insulate.co.uk>
References: <87031C06-E6E9-47C2-B842-D8C1CF149417@rustyiron.com><20090428214346.JD16I.1748501.root@mp16>
	<20090429023016.AC6661D1016@mail04.wcoil.com>
	<1355BC53926146FE9C3A381A8E570140@Ed> <49F861A8.6060704@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BLU135-W38961AF3E80B391E9ABBBC86F0@phx.gbl>


Wow! Sounds like quite a night. 

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 

===========================
 
> From: fbi at insulate.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
> 
> Again, I'm speaking from experience here, when the head 
> from a Petter Atomic had some overnight heat treatment in my Aga 
> cooker. It was some days before the smell and taint went.
> So just bear in mind that your idea of "fun" might not be quite the same 
> as Mrs Stoller's.
> Hope this helps,
> Dolly
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
> 

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Apr 29 09:23:56 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:23:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
In-Reply-To: <49F861A8.6060704@insulate.co.uk>
References: <87031C06-E6E9-47C2-B842-D8C1CF149417@rustyiron.com><20090428214346.JD16I.1748501.root@mp16>
	<20090429023016.AC6661D1016@mail04.wcoil.com>
	<1355BC53926146FE9C3A381A8E570140@Ed>
	<49F861A8.6060704@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <13d311a11ab129c57cd4966e53ac0c41.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Dolly's sage advice extends to the laundry room as well.  I had a set of coveralls
that had gotten liberally coated with Tod Engine Grease.  Bright spark that I was I
laid them out in the driveway, hosed 'em down with Gunk and then hosed 'em with
water.  Man did they still stink!  Ahhhh, I know, into the washer!

VERY BAD idea.  I opened the washer and was nearly floored by the smell of Gunk (the
overalls still stunk as well).  Only then did it dawn on me that I shared the house
with three females all of whom had extensive (and expensive) collections of
Victoria's Secret lingerie.  I could see my doom writ large if the lingerie went
into the washer.

I think it took nearly a dozen "loads" before the smell went away.  Close call...

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, April 29, 2009 10:18 am, Jim French wrote:
>
> A word of advice from one on the same team as your wife (last time I
> went to a movie I came home to find an R&V on the kitchen table, being
> pinstriped) - beware of the SMELL when cooking engine parts.  It might
> give you away!  Again, I'm speaking from experience here, when the head
> from a Petter Atomic had some overnight heat treatment in my Aga
> cooker.  It was some days before the smell and taint went.
> So just bear in mind that your idea of "fun" might not be quite the same
> as Mrs Stoller's.





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Apr 29 09:41:08 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:41:08 +0200
Subject: [SEL] RRe:  Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1241020802.27547.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429183705.01f8a200@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 29/04/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 14
>Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:52:59 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
>
>Hi Ron,
>That's an easy <Big Snip>
>I assume that you ARE talking about people shade here and not shade for your
>engines?  Real men let their engines run in the rain.  8-))
>See ya,  Arnie

Hey Arnie,
         In South Africa we use trees (I know they're not portable but the 
engines are :-)
         Real men are not scared of a bit of rain either !! <grin>

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 29 09:42:57 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:42:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <BLU135-W548EC9574CF05514A3795DC86F0@phx.gbl>
References: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590AB58C7F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> 
	<COL112-W62EB4A9BFFF4E6BA9518DF956E0@phx.gbl> 
	<BLU135-W548EC9574CF05514A3795DC86F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <COL112-W11B7BC099065CC6208B0E6956F0@phx.gbl>


Lile I said..... It's never bad weather at Portland! 
 
> From: flywheelin at hotmail.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:52:32 +0000
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
> 
> 
> Steve's ez up can be seen in action here:
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-62.jpg
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-64.jpg
> 
> Luke Tonneberger
> 
> Rockford, Michigan
> 
> USA 
> 
> =========================================
> 
> > From: steve_royster at hotmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
> > 
> > 
> > I've been using ez ups for years, they lasted through the portland storms when the others were bent and destroyed. Steve
> > 
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 29 09:47:24 2009
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:47:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
References: <87031C06-E6E9-47C2-B842-D8C1CF149417@rustyiron.com><20090428214346.JD16I.1748501.root@mp16>	<20090429023016.AC6661D1016@mail04.wcoil.com><1355BC53926146FE9C3A381A8E570140@Ed>
	<49F861A8.6060704@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <24B7CEDFE1AA4D77AC3719EBA572ADB1@Ed>

I think you are right. I would hate to have to go hungry.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings


> Hi Ed
>
> A word of advice from one on the same team as your wife (last time I
> went to a movie I came home to find an R&V on the kitchen table, being
> pinstriped) - beware of the SMELL when cooking engine parts.  It might
> give you away!  Again, I'm speaking from experience here, when the head
> from a Petter Atomic had some overnight heat treatment in my Aga
> cooker.  It was some days before the smell and taint went.
> So just bear in mind that your idea of "fun" might not be quite the same
> as Mrs Stoller's.
> Hope this helps,
> Dolly
>
> Ed stoller wrote:
>> Thank you Mark and JB.
>>
>> The piston is in a covered can with the home brew P oil inside this time.
>> Next time my wife goes to a movie, I try cooking it on her new stove. 
>> Lets
>> hope I don't get caught.  If that don't work, I will try the torch inside
>> the piston. I thought of turning the carbon to co2 with the torch, but 
>> did
>> not want to risk changing the temper of the rings.
>>
>> This hobby is really fun when we do things we never did before.
>>
>> Ed Stoller
>>
>
> -- 
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Apr 29 10:06:47 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:06:47 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 61, Issue 29
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1241020802.27547.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429185715.00c5bd80@mail.atech.co.za>


>On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel
>Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:02 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Ballot Box Stuffing Request
>Is that how the current POTUS got in?
>     Dave
>PS, Thank you for your voteS

Hi Dave,
          What is a POTUS ? (An "off List" reply may be in order :-)
Jerry
(Who's voted about 4 times per day recently from the same computer - follow 
Pete Lowe's original instructions - Log off - delete all temporary files - 
delete cookies and history. Reboot the computer and log on and vote again - 
as many times as you have the patience to repeat the above.) (Arnie (and 
all of those who do not want to exist on wind or solar power) are gonna owe 
me "big time" for this :-))
(29 hours left to get those votes in) 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Apr 29 10:18:08 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:18:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W11B7BC099065CC6208B0E6956F0@phx.gbl>
References: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590AB58C7F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<COL112-W62EB4A9BFFF4E6BA9518DF956E0@phx.gbl>
	<BLU135-W548EC9574CF05514A3795DC86F0@phx.gbl>
	<COL112-W11B7BC099065CC6208B0E6956F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <b4d3f1499d99cd8767c33085f618783d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Where are the pics taken later in the day of Susan & Lincoln Tucker (or was it
Brooke?) swimming in the engine area and that one nut kayaking past the back of the
grandstand?  8-))  Man, that was a day to remember!!

On Wed, April 29, 2009 12:42 pm, Steve Royster wrote:
>
> Lile I said..... It's never bad weather at Portland!
>
>> From: flywheelin at hotmail.com
>> Steve's ez up can be seen in action here:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-62.jpg
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-64.jpg
>> Luke Tonneberger





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Apr 29 10:21:55 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:21:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] RRe:  Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429183705.01f8a200@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429183705.01f8a200@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <2fe530b7ea85e097f6e7f861c4f54bad.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

But Jerry, all that rain dilutes the beer!  You did see Luke's Portland pics?

On Wed, April 29, 2009 12:41 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
>          In South Africa we use trees (I know they're not portable but the
> engines are :-)
>          Real men are not scared of a bit of rain either !! <grin>





From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 29 10:39:43 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:39:43 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <b4d3f1499d99cd8767c33085f618783d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590AB58C7F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<COL112-W62EB4A9BFFF4E6BA9518DF956E0@phx.gbl>
	<BLU135-W548EC9574CF05514A3795DC86F0@phx.gbl>
	<COL112-W11B7BC099065CC6208B0E6956F0@phx.gbl> 
	<b4d3f1499d99cd8767c33085f618783d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BLU135-W5F78CB9B17FEF13E4D131C86F0@phx.gbl>


Here a couple pics after the swimming session:

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-75.jpg

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-76.jpg


All of the rain pics and storm pics can be seen here toward the bottom of the page:

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/portland04.html


Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 

=================================
 
> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:18:08 -0400
> From: fero_ah at city-net.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
> 
> Where are the pics taken later in the day of Susan & Lincoln Tucker (or was it
> Brooke?) swimming in the engine area and that one nut kayaking past the back of the
> grandstand? 8-)) Man, that was a day to remember!!
> 
> On Wed, April 29, 2009 12:42 pm, Steve Royster wrote:
> >
> > Lile I said..... It's never bad weather at Portland!
> >
> >> From: flywheelin at hotmail.com
> >> Steve's ez up can be seen in action here:
> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-62.jpg
> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-64.jpg
> >> Luke Tonneberger
> 
> 
> 
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From oldironnut at windstream.net  Wed Apr 29 10:51:58 2009
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:51:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 61, Issue 29
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429185715.00c5bd80@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429185715.00c5bd80@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <2D784708-617C-4342-A6C8-904AF6E70554@windstream.net>

POTUS= President Of The United States

On Apr 29, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>          What is a POTUS ? (An "off List" reply may be in order :-)
> Jerry

______________________
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oldironnut at windstream.net
Versailles, Kentucky, USA
______________________






From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Apr 29 12:29:16 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:29:16 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 61, Issue 29
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1241020802.27547.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429201624.01f80f10@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 29/04/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 7
>Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:48:47 -0400
>From: "Jim Hardman" <Jim at hardmanfamily.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] New epoxy product
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>Jerry, and all,
>Some epoxies will stand up to hot water,
><snip>
>Just because the fomulator says his product has "unlimited uses"
><another snip>
>For most engine applications, epoxies are acceptable choices for
>reconstruction where high temperatures are not expected.  Anything over the
>boiling point of water can be trouble for a lot of epoxies.  And the
>presence of water can compound the problem.
>
>This is not a blanket condemnation of epoxies for repairing water jackets.
>It is, however, a wake up call that all epoxies are NOT the same and that
>specialty compounds are generally available for most applications.  Do your
>homework and contact the maker for approval for your particular job.
><yet another snip>
>Jim in Vermont

Hi Jim,
         Many thanks for your input - please excuse the <snips's> above 
they are in no way meant as condemnation of your valued reply - just to 
make this reply easier to read and keep the list mail "uncluttered".
         You did supply very relevant answers to another "epoxy related" 
mail I sent to the list a year or so ago and, at that time it was also very 
good information. Thanks again.
         I posted this subject to the list as I thought that it would be of 
interest to the members.
         I, in no way, recommended (or otherwise) the product, I only 
mentioned that it was interesting. I have not used it (but have ordered 
some to "try"). I also mentioned that I had contacted the manufacturers for 
more details but this has not been forthcoming.
         My interest was sparked by the fact that a well respected local 
restorer had used the product and was impressed by it.
         Your comments were relevant but please consider that there may be 
other uses for the product where it is totally acceptable - I really liked 
the way he repaired that "flywheel" on the vintage wine press and also that 
small "cover" he made for an oil well. Neither of those uses involved 
"water" or "moisture" or to a lesser extent "temperature".
         Of course there are many "purists" in our ranks and to them, if 
it's not cast iron then it's "no good" or "not original" - in fact, to 
them, if it is not an original casting then it's also "no good" - I have no 
argument with them but not all of us can afford that kind of attitude.
         I agree totally with your statement "cut & pasted""Just because 
the fomulator says his product has "unlimited uses etc.". That's just 
advertising and very vague - I'd like to think that most of us would not 
fall for that. (Which is why I've asked for more specs and also ordered a 
pack to try.)
         There are a lot of statements in their advertising that are very 
vague as well as a lack of actual specifications, but the product does have 
some "possible uses" which is why I made the post in the first place.
         FWIW: I have my doubts about that water jacket repair to a small 
outboard engine but it's not up to me to judge - time will tell! (and yes, 
it's not original !!). What the heck, if it works and does pass the test of 
time then another vintage engine runs again even though a "purist" will not 
pay any bucks for it. I restore my engines for my own pleasure - not to 
sell to someone who has big bucks and if I have to use modern materials 
then so be it !

         Once again, I neither endorse nor condemn the product. I only 
posted it because I thought it would be of interest to the list. For all I 
know, the "hard metals" that they claim to be used as a filler (or was it 
dense metals?) could just be magnesium sweepings off the local beach ! :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Apr 29 13:04:50 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:04:50 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1241020802.27547.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429213540.00c5d508@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 29/04/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 10
>Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:52:01 -0700
>From: Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
>
>Hi, Ed.  Get yourself a brass drift, start at one end, and tap the
>rings IN.
<big
snip>
>Rob Skinner

Hi guys,
         No disrespect meant, but why is it so important to save the old rings?
         Allow me to ask a few questions:
         i) Is it for the sake of keeping the "original" parts and does 
this increase the value of the restored engine?
         ii) Is it because replacing the "old rings" with "new rings" does 
not fit the budget or that those "old rings" are no longer available "ex 
stock". ?

         If it is for the sake of being able to say "this engine is totally 
original as it came from the factory" then I do understand.
         If NOT then why not break the old rings out and have new ones 
made? (The old ones are perfect for cleaning out the "ring grooves" and are 
probably worn out anyway).

         Maybe we are just lucky in South Africa in that we have a company 
that specializes in making piston rings (from their own cast iron) and are 
quite willing to make a single set of rings at a very reasonable price. My 
12 H.P. Witte Diesel rings (are there 5 or 6 of them, I don't remember) 
cost ZAR 250.00 or thereabouts. That's about US$ 30.00. (or about 50 cans 
of good South African Beer :-))
         Just asking!

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 29 13:18:45 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:18:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] New epoxy product
Message-ID: <287414.63019.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

There Jerry,,,
I fixed the Subject line for you.
?
Alan

--- On Wed, 4/29/09, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:


From: Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 61, Issue 29
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 3:29 PM


At 06:00 PM 29/04/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 7
>Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:48:47 -0400
>From: "Jim Hardman" <Jim at hardmanfamily.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] New epoxy product
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>Jerry, and all,
>Some epoxies will stand up to hot water,
><snip>
>Just because the fomulator says his product has "unlimited uses"
><another snip>
>For most engine applications, epoxies are acceptable choices for
>reconstruction where high temperatures are not expected.? Anything over the
>boiling point of water can be trouble for a lot of epoxies.? And the
>presence of water can compound the problem.
>
>This is not a blanket condemnation of epoxies for repairing water jackets.
>It is, however, a wake up call that all epoxies are NOT the same and that
>specialty compounds are generally available for most applications.? Do your
>homework and contact the maker for approval for your particular job.
><yet another snip>
>Jim in Vermont

Hi Jim,
? ? ? ???Many thanks for your input - please excuse the <snips's> above 
they are in no way meant as condemnation of your valued reply - just to 
make this reply easier to read and keep the list mail "uncluttered".
? ? ? ???You did supply very relevant answers to another "epoxy related" 
mail I sent to the list a year or so ago and, at that time it was also very 
good information. Thanks again.
? ? ? ???I posted this subject to the list as I thought that it would be of 
interest to the members.
? ? ? ???I, in no way, recommended (or otherwise) the product, I only 
mentioned that it was interesting. I have not used it (but have ordered 
some to "try"). I also mentioned that I had contacted the manufacturers for 
more details but this has not been forthcoming.
? ? ? ???My interest was sparked by the fact that a well respected local 
restorer had used the product and was impressed by it.
? ? ? ???Your comments were relevant but please consider that there may be 
other uses for the product where it is totally acceptable - I really liked 
the way he repaired that "flywheel" on the vintage wine press and also that 
small "cover" he made for an oil well. Neither of those uses involved 
"water" or "moisture" or to a lesser extent "temperature".
? ? ? ???Of course there are many "purists" in our ranks and to them, if 
it's not cast iron then it's "no good" or "not original" - in fact, to 
them, if it is not an original casting then it's also "no good" - I have no 
argument with them but not all of us can afford that kind of attitude.
? ? ? ???I agree totally with your statement "cut & pasted""Just because 
the fomulator says his product has "unlimited uses etc.". That's just 
advertising and very vague - I'd like to think that most of us would not 
fall for that. (Which is why I've asked for more specs and also ordered a 
pack to try.)
? ? ? ???There are a lot of statements in their advertising that are very 
vague as well as a lack of actual specifications, but the product does have 
some "possible uses" which is why I made the post in the first place.
? ? ? ???FWIW: I have my doubts about that water jacket repair to a small 
outboard engine but it's not up to me to judge - time will tell! (and yes, 
it's not original !!). What the heck, if it works and does pass the test of 
time then another vintage engine runs again even though a "purist" will not 
pay any bucks for it. I restore my engines for my own pleasure - not to 
sell to someone who has big bucks and if I have to use modern materials 
then so be it !

? ? ? ???Once again, I neither endorse nor condemn the product. I only 
posted it because I thought it would be of interest to the list. For all I 
know, the "hard metals" that they claim to be used as a filler (or was it 
dense metals?) could just be magnesium sweepings off the local beach ! :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>



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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Apr 29 13:22:10 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:22:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] POTUS/VOTE
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429185715.00c5bd80@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <011801c9c908$2e0a2d30$0901000a@coec543>

Hi Jerry,
    POTUS stands for President Of The United States. He keeps telling me to 
just call him Barry, but I think that would show disrespect and I just can't 
bring myself to it!
    The lovely #19 is now just 73 votes ahead of that little cheat #7! I 
believe that #7 is having her mother (and great aunt) solicite votes. How 
low can you get? In any event, vote some more. Unless this is at least a 100 
point win the pinko-commies (both of you out there know who you are!) will 
demand a recount!
    Dave
PS, Early and often--less than 9 hours and counting!

>
> Hi Dave,
>          What is a POTUS ? (An "off List" reply may be in order :-)
> Jerry
> (Who's voted about 4 times per day recently from the same computer - 
> follow
> Pete Lowe's original instructions - Log off - delete all temporary files -
> delete cookies and history. Reboot the computer and log on and vote 
> again -
> as many times as you have the patience to repeat the above.) (Arnie (and
> all of those who do not want to exist on wind or solar power) are gonna 
> owe
> me "big time" for this :-))
> (29 hours left to get those votes in)
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Apr 29 13:42:08 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:42:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] POTUS/VOTE
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429185715.00c5bd80@mail.atech.co.za>
	<011801c9c908$2e0a2d30$0901000a@coec543>
Message-ID: <013e01c9c90a$f9030370$0901000a@coec543>

 OPPS, You can vote at http://www.brollopsmagasinet.se/?id=10554
       Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] POTUS/VOTE


> Hi Jerry,
>    POTUS stands for President Of The United States. He keeps telling me to
> just call him Barry, but I think that would show disrespect and I just 
> can't
> bring myself to it!
>    The lovely #19 is now just 73 votes ahead of that little cheat #7! I
> believe that #7 is having her mother (and great aunt) solicite votes. How
> low can you get? In any event, vote some more. Unless this is at least a 
> 100
> point win the pinko-commies (both of you out there know who you are!) will
> demand a recount!
>    Dave
> PS, Early and often--less than 9 hours and counting!
>
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>          What is a POTUS ? (An "off List" reply may be in order :-)
>> Jerry
>> (Who's voted about 4 times per day recently from the same computer -
>> follow
>> Pete Lowe's original instructions - Log off - delete all temporary 
>> files -
>> delete cookies and history. Reboot the computer and log on and vote
>> again -
>> as many times as you have the patience to repeat the above.) (Arnie (and
>> all of those who do not want to exist on wind or solar power) are gonna
>> owe
>> me "big time" for this :-))
>> (29 hours left to get those votes in)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Apr 29 13:57:36 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:57:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429213540.00c5d508@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429213540.00c5d508@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <a7e4165acce6d7ad51fdd7aedd49445f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Jerry,

If the old rings are in good shape and the engine has good compression, why would I
want to replace the rings?  If, OTOH, the rings are shot and you have no
compression, then you evaluate the rings and cylinder bore and fix what needs to be
fixed.

Personally, I'd rather spend the money on beer than on unneeded new rings.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, April 29, 2009 4:04 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
> No disrespect meant, but why is it so important to save the old rings?





From sndakitto at activ8.net.au  Wed Apr 29 14:52:24 2009
From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:52:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Bearings for Ronnie N needed
Message-ID: <001b01c9c914$cdebee90$69c3cbb0$@net.au>

To those in OZ.
I am looking for main bearings for a 3HP Ronnie N. If anyone has any in the
back of the shed that are usable and want to part with them please contact
me. They need to be in good condition. The Timken number on them is 414

Thanks
Steve

Steve and Denise Kitto
95 Coleyville Road
Mutdapilly  QLD   Australia 4307 
Ph 07 54671541

As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.  
Proverbs 27:19



From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Apr 29 16:03:14 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:03:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429213540.00c5d508@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429213540.00c5d508@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <44657451-CC0D-47F8-AB50-A294C62E6155@rustyiron.com>

On Apr 29, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:
>  No disrespect meant, but why is it so important to save the old  
> rings?


Hi, Jerry.  I've not restored nearly enough engines to gather adequate  
data to provide scientific facts, but I have some strong thoughts on  
the subject.  As an engine is run, the rings wear, the ring lands  
wear, the piston wears and the cylinder wears.  All these bits wear to  
match one another.  The taper of the ring grooves will match the  
rings, and the rings will match the out-of-round cylinder.  These  
mated surfaces can make a reasonable seal.

If you go and put round rings in an oval bore, or square rings in a  
tapered groove, you won't have a good seal at all.  New rings can be  
WORSE than old rings.

Last year I did a brief article on fitting new rings to an old  
piston.  The cylinder bore was very good, but the rings were broken  
when I got the engine.  http://engines.rustyiron.com/articles/ 
piston.pdf  The file is PDF and about 6 megs, so it might take a few  
minutes to send the file down your way.


	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com




From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Apr 29 17:41:37 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:41:37 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
Message-ID: <c16.6009a724.372a4dc1@aol.com>

The piston rings are now on the piston.  It finally took two of us to  
spread and get on using shims to slide into position.  They sure have a lot  of 
tension and hope that they do not have too much.  They were made by  folks 
that is their specialty.
 
Thanks for all the tips from everyone.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 29 19:06:41 2009
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:06:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429213540.00c5d508@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <8EDD4643C1FF4317AD22EB361DAFDC4F@Ed>

Hi Jerry,

I picked up the 4 HP  Ottawa Log Saw engine a few weeks after our fall show. 
It was in the flee market and no one wanted it. It looked very rusty and the 
piston was stuck and it is not complete. I picked it up for $25 just to 
develop some skills getting the stuck piston out. I really did not plan to 
restore it. But, now that the piston is out and the working part of the 
cylinder wall does not look that bad to me, so I plan to clean it up , 
repair what is there and paint it. I am thinking about making a mixer and 
igniter.  The rings are pinned and the gap is cut on an angle so getting new 
ones might be a hassle. Besides, it would not be hard to install new rings 
if everything else was in place. Since the rings are pinned, I plan to 
remove them one at a time so as to not get them mixed up or turned around 
and re- install them exactly the way they came out so as to match the 
original ware pattern except for a light honing of the cylinder wall. I plan 
to make mic the cylinder before installing the piston.

I may have already broken one ring by tapping it in before I made the first 
post.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings


> At 06:00 PM 29/04/2009, you wrote:
>>Message: 10
>>Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:52:01 -0700
>>From: Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
>>
>>Hi, Ed.  Get yourself a brass drift, start at one end, and tap the
>>rings IN.
> <big
> snip>
>>Rob Skinner
>
> Hi guys,
>         No disrespect meant, but why is it so important to save the old 
> rings?
>         Allow me to ask a few questions:
>         i) Is it for the sake of keeping the "original" parts and does
> this increase the value of the restored engine?
>         ii) Is it because replacing the "old rings" with "new rings" does
> not fit the budget or that those "old rings" are no longer available "ex
> stock". ?
>
>         If it is for the sake of being able to say "this engine is totally
> original as it came from the factory" then I do understand.
>         If NOT then why not break the old rings out and have new ones
> made? (The old ones are perfect for cleaning out the "ring grooves" and 
> are
> probably worn out anyway).
>
>         Maybe we are just lucky in South Africa in that we have a company
> that specializes in making piston rings (from their own cast iron) and are
> quite willing to make a single set of rings at a very reasonable price. My
> 12 H.P. Witte Diesel rings (are there 5 or 6 of them, I don't remember)
> cost ZAR 250.00 or thereabouts. That's about US$ 30.00. (or about 50 cans
> of good South African Beer :-))
>         Just asking!
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
>
>
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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Thu Apr 30 01:03:24 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 04:03:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
Message-ID: <COL106-W4303C8B806448A51CBAF17B46C0@phx.gbl>


Well not a lot to report since my last post.

Pistons still VERY stuck, soaking in every thing you can think of.

{ I havn't tried Scotch } gave it lotsa thought though ;-}

I'm awating a 5/8" BSF tap to make couplings for the head studs

to extend the length, then fit a 1" plate to accomidate a hydraulic

"Porta-Power" ram, to ease the piston down.

Once I can accomplish this I can remove the Cylinder blocks

then re-attack the pistons & liners, and finish the complete tear down.

 

Good news is I found a # 5 Bell housing for the engine that would 

allow coupling a genset up directly, BAD NEWS, its in Nottingham UK

I'm sure the post to get it here would be bloody expensive.

 

Back to finding another plan, I suppose.

 

 

Remember, "Rust Never Sleeps"

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470





From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 30 02:02:59 2009
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 02:02:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
Message-ID: <108432.68720.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Guys, Bill Young here ( In Japan)
? I got all excited when I read the thread about acetone and ATF.? Went to the shop and mixed half?a liter of each together in a glass container ( for observation, not storage.)? 
?? Beautiful color.? But, without further testing, I am wondering if Dave-san might have a valid point, "A" OR "F."? I have not yet determined what type mine was (is) but it certainly appears that the two fluids are not miscible.? A few minutes after mixing and vigorous shaking the two components have separated. Has anyone actually mixed and used this concoction?
?? Tommy-san, If you give it a go, please let me know your results -- and what type you used.
wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp
?
--- On Wed, 4/8/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 10:47 AM


Hi Tommy, Does this friend know the meaning of the word "subjective"? 
as in "subjective test?"
??? Dave
PS, Do you know where I can buy some of that None stuff?

On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Does it matter which type of ATF is used?? Type A or Type F?
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge
> Tommy Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:28 AM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
>
> A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info below.? Quite? 
> interesting.
> Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY? USA
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break out
> torque on rusted nuts.? Significant results!? They are below, as
> forwarded by an ex-student and professional machinist, Bud Baker.
> *Don't forget the April 2007 "Machinist's Workshop" magazine? 
> comparison
> test.*
> **
> *They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants with
> the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a
> "scientifically rusted" environment.*
> **
>
> *Penetrating oil ..... Average load*
>
> None ..................... 516 pounds
> WD-40 .................. 238 pounds
> PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds
> Liquid Wrench ..... 127 pounds
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
> ATF-Acetone mix....53 pounds
>
> *The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission
> fluid and acetone.*
> *Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this? 
> one
> particular test. Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about
> as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. *
> **
> *Your experience may vary, etc., etc.*
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Apr 30 03:48:54 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:48:54 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
References: <108432.68720.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3026983710734D71BF801BD0E747D5C8@peterlowe>

Hello Bill San

Mine did the same thing, but in time and after shaking a few times it does 
all come together.
Peter San , Oz





Hi Guys, Bill Young here ( In Japan)
I got all excited when I read the thread about acetone and ATF. Went to the 
shop and mixed half a liter of each together in a glass container ( for 
observation, not storage.)
Beautiful color. But, without further testing, I am wondering if Dave-san 
might have a valid point, "A" OR "F." I have not yet determined what type 
mine was (is) but it certainly appears that the two fluids are not miscible. 
A few minutes after mixing and vigorous shaking the two components have 
separated. Has anyone actually mixed and used this concoction?
Tommy-san, If you give it a go, please let me know your results -- and what 
type you used.
wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 10:47 AM


Hi Tommy, Does this friend know the meaning of the word "subjective"
as in "subjective test?"
Dave
PS, Do you know where I can buy some of that None stuff?

On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Does it matter which type of ATF is used? Type A or Type F?
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge
> Tommy Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:28 AM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
>
> A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info below. Quite
> interesting.
> Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY USA
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break out
> torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They are below, as
> forwarded by an ex-student and professional machinist, Bud Baker.
> *Don't forget the April 2007 "Machinist's Workshop" magazine
> comparison
> test.*
> **
> *They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants with
> the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a
> "scientifically rusted" environment.*
> **
>
> *Penetrating oil ..... Average load*
>
> None ..................... 516 pounds
> WD-40 .................. 238 pounds
> PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds
> Liquid Wrench ..... 127 pounds
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
> ATF-Acetone mix....53 pounds
>
> *The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission
> fluid and acetone.*
> *Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one
> particular test. Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about
> as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. *
> **
> *Your experience may vary, etc., etc.*
>
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu Apr 30 07:31:55 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:31:55 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <108432.68720.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <108432.68720.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1752218E-EBBC-4A1D-AA89-F13A4C0ACDC1@rustyiron.com>

Young-san, good to hear from you!  Yes, I mixed them together.

Actually I was goofing around with a chain lubricant for my bicycle.   
I'll not get into the subtle nuances of bicycle chain lubrication,  
other than to say I'm not convinced that the traditional commercial  
products are of much value.  My mixture consisted of 1/3 gear oil,  
with which I had already been experimenting, 1/3 ATF, and 1/3  
acetone.  The concoction magically mixed up and as stayed that way  
ever since.

My lube trials are still ongoing, but my initial impression is that  
it's "liquidy" enough to penetrate into tight places, it can cut  
through existing residue, and when it evaporates, it leaves behind the  
good stuff.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Apr 30, 2009, at 2:02 AM, William Young wrote:

> Hi Guys, Bill Young here ( In Japan)
>   I got all excited when I read the thread about acetone and ATF.   
> Went to the shop and mixed half a liter of each together in a glass  
> container ( for observation, not storage.)
>    Beautiful color.  But, without further testing, I am wondering if  
> Dave-san might have a valid point, "A" OR "F."  I have not yet  
> determined what type mine was (is) but it certainly appears that the  
> two fluids are not miscible.  A few minutes after mixing and  
> vigorous shaking the two components have separated. Has anyone  
> actually mixed and used this concoction?
>    Tommy-san, If you give it a go, please let me know your results  
> -- and what type you used.
> wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp
>


From marinesurveys at msn.com  Thu Apr 30 08:35:04 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:35:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <1752218E-EBBC-4A1D-AA89-F13A4C0ACDC1@rustyiron.com>
References: <108432.68720.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<1752218E-EBBC-4A1D-AA89-F13A4C0ACDC1@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W19C893EBA768CF9E6D6685B46C0@phx.gbl>


Rob;

When you say "Gear Oil" what kind are you refering to ?

 

                Thanks

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: rob at rustyiron.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:31:55 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
> 
> Young-san, good to hear from you! Yes, I mixed them together.
> 
> Actually I was goofing around with a chain lubricant for my bicycle. 
> I'll not get into the subtle nuances of bicycle chain lubrication, 
> other than to say I'm not convinced that the traditional commercial 
> products are of much value. My mixture consisted of 1/3 gear oil, 
> with which I had already been experimenting, 1/3 ATF, and 1/3 
> acetone. The concoction magically mixed up and as stayed that way 
> ever since.
> 
> My lube trials are still ongoing, but my initial impression is that 
> it's "liquidy" enough to penetrate into tight places, it can cut 
> through existing residue, and when it evaporates, it leaves behind the 
> good stuff.
> 
> 
> Rob Skinner
> Antique Stationary Engines
> La Habra, California
> 
> rob at rustyiron.com
> www.rustyiron.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 30, 2009, at 2:02 AM, William Young wrote:
> 
> > Hi Guys, Bill Young here ( In Japan)
> > I got all excited when I read the thread about acetone and ATF. 
> > Went to the shop and mixed half a liter of each together in a glass 
> > container ( for observation, not storage.)
> > Beautiful color. But, without further testing, I am wondering if 
> > Dave-san might have a valid point, "A" OR "F." I have not yet 
> > determined what type mine was (is) but it certainly appears that the 
> > two fluids are not miscible. A few minutes after mixing and 
> > vigorous shaking the two components have separated. Has anyone 
> > actually mixed and used this concoction?
> > Tommy-san, If you give it a go, please let me know your results 
> > -- and what type you used.
> > wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp
> >
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> SEL mailing list
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From falcon at telenet.net  Thu Apr 30 08:53:40 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:53:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <1752218E-EBBC-4A1D-AA89-F13A4C0ACDC1@rustyiron.com>
References: <108432.68720.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<1752218E-EBBC-4A1D-AA89-F13A4C0ACDC1@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <49F9C984.6030507@telenet.net>

Rob Skinner wrote:
> Young-san, good to hear from you!  Yes, I mixed them together.
> 
> Actually I was goofing around with a chain lubricant for my bicycle.   
> I'll not get into the subtle nuances of bicycle chain lubrication,  
> other than to say I'm not convinced that the traditional commercial  
> products are of much value.  My mixture consisted of 1/3 gear oil,  
> with which I had already been experimenting, 1/3 ATF, and 1/3  
> acetone.  The concoction magically mixed up and as stayed that way  
> ever since.
> 
> My lube trials are still ongoing, but my initial impression is that  
> it's "liquidy" enough to penetrate into tight places, it can cut  
> through existing residue, and when it evaporates, it leaves behind the  
> good stuff.
> 
> 	
> Rob Skinner
> Antique Stationary Engines
> La Habra, California
> 
> rob at rustyiron.com
> www.rustyiron.com

Rob,
 I have had great luck using standard paraffin with teflon powder
blended in. You pull the chain, clean it in a solvent to remove
dirt/grit/old lube. The heat the mix so it is THIN. Then soak the chain
in it for 10-20 minutes. Pull it out and let it drip dry.
Doesn't fling off and doesn't attract dirt.
Once you soak it you can re-lube it using the same mix. Just heat it up
and brush it on with an acid brush.


-- 
Steve Williams


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Apr 30 11:02:38 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:02:38 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse diagonal cut cam gear
Message-ID: <20090430180239.F3415405521@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

A while back some one was looking for parts for a little FM. I think they
were in Au. or Nz. Anyway there is a parts engine on Ebay #300311578124 .
Maybe the seller will part it out for you to keep the shipping costs down.
Good luck! Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato Ca. 415 892 0236

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Apr 30 11:34:05 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:34:05 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W4303C8B806448A51CBAF17B46C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090430183410.4D5F64C90D3@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Frank, are thee any pictures of the engine or a similar one available?
Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:03 AM
To: AA_OLD ENGINE
Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A


Well not a lot to report since my last post.

Pistons still VERY stuck, soaking in every thing you can think of.

{ I havn't tried Scotch } gave it lotsa thought though ;-}

I'm awating a 5/8" BSF tap to make couplings for the head studs

to extend the length, then fit a 1" plate to accomidate a hydraulic

"Porta-Power" ram, to ease the piston down.

Once I can accomplish this I can remove the Cylinder blocks

then re-attack the pistons & liners, and finish the complete tear down.

 

Good news is I found a # 5 Bell housing for the engine that would 

allow coupling a genset up directly, BAD NEWS, its in Nottingham UK

I'm sure the post to get it here would be bloody expensive.

 

Back to finding another plan, I suppose.

 

 

Remember, "Rust Never Sleeps"

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Thu Apr 30 12:34:59 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:34:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
In-Reply-To: <20090430183410.4D5F64C90D3@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <COL106-W4303C8B806448A51CBAF17B46C0@phx.gbl>
	<20090430183410.4D5F64C90D3@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W16AAD0EC38097CB3E8F52B46C0@phx.gbl>


Jim;

 

Here is a link to have a look.

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:34:05 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> 
> Frank, are thee any pictures of the engine or a similar one available?
> Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:03 AM
> To: AA_OLD ENGINE
> Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> 
> 
> Well not a lot to report since my last post.
> 
> Pistons still VERY stuck, soaking in every thing you can think of.
> 
> { I havn't tried Scotch } gave it lotsa thought though ;-}
> 
> I'm awating a 5/8" BSF tap to make couplings for the head studs
> 
> to extend the length, then fit a 1" plate to accomidate a hydraulic
> 
> "Porta-Power" ram, to ease the piston down.
> 
> Once I can accomplish this I can remove the Cylinder blocks
> 
> then re-attack the pistons & liners, and finish the complete tear down.
> 
> 
> 
> Good news is I found a # 5 Bell housing for the engine that would 
> 
> allow coupling a genset up directly, BAD NEWS, its in Nottingham UK
> 
> I'm sure the post to get it here would be bloody expensive.
> 
> 
> 
> Back to finding another plan, I suppose.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Remember, "Rust Never Sleeps"
> 
> Franklin S. Skinner 
> Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Apr 30 13:13:43 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:13:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W16AAD0EC38097CB3E8F52B46C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090430201345.777224054E3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Frank, Are the 2 cyl.s  independent of each other or connected castings ?
Can you get at one of the rod caps to remove it? Do the Cyl.s unbolt from
the crank case? Does the cylinders have exhaust ports near the bottom ?
Thanks Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:35 PM
To: AA_OLD ENGINE
Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A


Jim;

 

Here is a link to have a look.

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:34:05 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> 
> Frank, are thee any pictures of the engine or a similar one available?
> Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank
skinner
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:03 AM
> To: AA_OLD ENGINE
> Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> 
> 
> Well not a lot to report since my last post.
> 
> Pistons still VERY stuck, soaking in every thing you can think of.
> 
> { I havn't tried Scotch } gave it lotsa thought though ;-}
> 
> I'm awating a 5/8" BSF tap to make couplings for the head studs
> 
> to extend the length, then fit a 1" plate to accomidate a hydraulic
> 
> "Porta-Power" ram, to ease the piston down.
> 
> Once I can accomplish this I can remove the Cylinder blocks
> 
> then re-attack the pistons & liners, and finish the complete tear down.
> 
> 
> 
> Good news is I found a # 5 Bell housing for the engine that would 
> 
> allow coupling a genset up directly, BAD NEWS, its in Nottingham UK
> 
> I'm sure the post to get it here would be bloody expensive.
> 
> 
> 
> Back to finding another plan, I suppose.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Remember, "Rust Never Sleeps"
> 
> Franklin S. Skinner 
> Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Thu Apr 30 13:24:21 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 06:24:21 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse diagonal cut cam gear
In-Reply-To: <20090430180239.F3415405521@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20090430180239.F3415405521@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <49FA08F5.4060401@rustic-engines.com>

Thanks Jim. I haven't heard back from Ken Christison, (hope he's OK), so 
I'll "Watch it".

Cheers,

Al Harris
Autumn Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Jim O'Hagan wrote:
> A while back some one was looking for parts for a little FM. I think they
> were in Au. or Nz. Anyway there is a parts engine on Ebay #300311578124 .
> Maybe the seller will part it out for you to keep the shipping costs down.
> Good luck! Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato Ca. 415 892 0236
>
>  
>
> Jim O'Hagan
>
>  
>
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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Thu Apr 30 13:58:13 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:58:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
In-Reply-To: <20090430201345.777224054E3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <COL106-W16AAD0EC38097CB3E8F52B46C0@phx.gbl>
	<20090430201345.777224054E3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W12289F639CC2812C9C2DB2B46C0@phx.gbl>


Jim;

There are independent cylinders, & valve in head , heads, the cylinders have liners,

and unbolt from the block seperately, I cant get at the rod bolts properly until I 

get the # 2 piston down part way, then i can remove all the rod cap nuts.

Then I can remove the cylinders from the base , remove the liners, then the pistons.

At least, thats the plan.

 

                Regards

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:13:43 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> 
> Frank, Are the 2 cyl.s independent of each other or connected castings ?
> Can you get at one of the rod caps to remove it? Do the Cyl.s unbolt from
> the crank case? Does the cylinders have exhaust ports near the bottom ?
> Thanks Jimmy
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:35 PM
> To: AA_OLD ENGINE
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> 
> 
> Jim;
> 
> 
> 
> Here is a link to have a look.
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner
> 
> Franklin S. Skinner 
> Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:34:05 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> > 
> > Frank, are thee any pictures of the engine or a similar one available?
> > Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236
> > 
> > Jim O'Hagan
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank
> skinner
> > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:03 AM
> > To: AA_OLD ENGINE
> > Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> > Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> > 
> > 
> > Well not a lot to report since my last post.
> > 
> > Pistons still VERY stuck, soaking in every thing you can think of.
> > 
> > { I havn't tried Scotch } gave it lotsa thought though ;-}
> > 
> > I'm awating a 5/8" BSF tap to make couplings for the head studs
> > 
> > to extend the length, then fit a 1" plate to accomidate a hydraulic
> > 
> > "Porta-Power" ram, to ease the piston down.
> > 
> > Once I can accomplish this I can remove the Cylinder blocks
> > 
> > then re-attack the pistons & liners, and finish the complete tear down.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Good news is I found a # 5 Bell housing for the engine that would 
> > 
> > allow coupling a genset up directly, BAD NEWS, its in Nottingham UK
> > 
> > I'm sure the post to get it here would be bloody expensive.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Back to finding another plan, I suppose.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Remember, "Rust Never Sleeps"
> > 
> > Franklin S. Skinner 
> > Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Apr 30 14:37:34 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:37:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W12289F639CC2812C9C2DB2B46C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090430213743.721BC405503@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Frank , please call me  415 892 0236. I might have a Plan "B" that has
ALWAYS worked for me. Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:58 PM
To: AA_OLD ENGINE
Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A


Jim;

There are independent cylinders, & valve in head , heads, the cylinders have
liners,

and unbolt from the block seperately, I cant get at the rod bolts properly
until I 

get the # 2 piston down part way, then i can remove all the rod cap nuts.

Then I can remove the cylinders from the base , remove the liners, then the
pistons.

At least, thats the plan.

 

                Regards

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:13:43 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> 
> Frank, Are the 2 cyl.s independent of each other or connected castings ?
> Can you get at one of the rod caps to remove it? Do the Cyl.s unbolt from
> the crank case? Does the cylinders have exhaust ports near the bottom ?
> Thanks Jimmy
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank
skinner
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:35 PM
> To: AA_OLD ENGINE
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> 
> 
> Jim;
> 
> 
> 
> Here is a link to have a look.
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner
> 
> Franklin S. Skinner 
> Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:34:05 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> > 
> > Frank, are thee any pictures of the engine or a similar one available?
> > Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236
> > 
> > Jim O'Hagan
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank
> skinner
> > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:03 AM
> > To: AA_OLD ENGINE
> > Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> > Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> > 
> > 
> > Well not a lot to report since my last post.
> > 
> > Pistons still VERY stuck, soaking in every thing you can think of.
> > 
> > { I havn't tried Scotch } gave it lotsa thought though ;-}
> > 
> > I'm awating a 5/8" BSF tap to make couplings for the head studs
> > 
> > to extend the length, then fit a 1" plate to accomidate a hydraulic
> > 
> > "Porta-Power" ram, to ease the piston down.
> > 
> > Once I can accomplish this I can remove the Cylinder blocks
> > 
> > then re-attack the pistons & liners, and finish the complete tear down.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Good news is I found a # 5 Bell housing for the engine that would 
> > 
> > allow coupling a genset up directly, BAD NEWS, its in Nottingham UK
> > 
> > I'm sure the post to get it here would be bloody expensive.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Back to finding another plan, I suppose.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Remember, "Rust Never Sleeps"
> > 
> > Franklin S. Skinner 
> > Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu Apr 30 15:46:28 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:46:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W19C893EBA768CF9E6D6685B46C0@phx.gbl>
References: <108432.68720.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<1752218E-EBBC-4A1D-AA89-F13A4C0ACDC1@rustyiron.com>
	<COL106-W19C893EBA768CF9E6D6685B46C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D304EBD6-AA59-45CC-BB76-0148F5BD1634@rustyiron.com>

The free kind.  Anyone with a lick of sense and five bucks in his  
pocket would go buy some chain lube from the store.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com


On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:35 AM, frank skinner wrote:

>
> Rob;
>
> When you say "Gear Oil" what kind are you refering to ?
>



From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Apr 30 15:47:20 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (edurand at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:47:20 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <62b7595dbc79214dce429cb363f0f72a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENCIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<62b7595dbc79214dce429cb363f0f72a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <043020092247.27265.49FA2A78000BC5F000006A81223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com>

Arnie:

This happened almost 50 years ago and I didn't have my camera handy.  At the time, we just thought it was interesting the way it turned out.  Had I known you'd want to see the Kodaks, I woulda took some.

Take care - Elden
-------------- Original message from "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>: -------------- 


> Hmmmm, sounds pretty fantastical. I don't imagine that there are any pictures? 
> 
> See ya, Arnie 
> 
> On Fri, April 24, 2009 9:52 am, Elden DuRand wrote: 
> > 
> > A long time ago I tried the gunpowder trick once with limited success. 
> > > The whole thing was an experiment. I had to get rid of about a quarter pound 
> of > black powder and the engine was a locked-up GMC 235 engine that was headed for 
> the 
> > scrap heap. 
> > > Actually, what happened is that the piston was driven down hard enough to 
> compress > the rod, break the crankshaft and blow the oil pan partly off. I think, had 
> the > engine been salvageable, it would have been better to use more conventional 
> methods. 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Apr 30 15:51:11 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (edurand at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:51:11 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W110DCE65CBD97473F371C8B4720@phx.gbl>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENCIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com><15047CC8-1725-45DB-95CB-D8D2B0D3EBAD@rustyiron.com>
	<ee75ba5e956fbc58cf485334822451d5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<COL106-W110DCE65CBD97473F371C8B4720@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <043020092251.7507.49FA2B5F000BB8FF00001D53223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com>

Frank:

I forgot to add that I once had a steam driven camcorder but the headwheel packing began leaking and steamed up the monitor so I junked it.

Take care - Elden
-------------- Original message from frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>: -------------- 


> 
> Arnie; 
> 
> I have a kerosene vid camera ;-} 
> 
> Franklin S. Skinner 


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Apr 30 16:43:41 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:43:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <043020092247.27265.49FA2A78000BC5F000006A81223045151403010CD2079C080C
	03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENCIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<62b7595dbc79214dce429cb363f0f72a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<043020092247.27265.49FA2A78000BC5F000006A81223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <ec48a9b9f997196859b25b03495cf730.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Well, duh...  Re-do!!  8-))

On Thu, April 30, 2009 6:47 pm, edurand at mchsi.com wrote:
> Arnie:
>
> This happened almost 50 years ago and I didn't have my camera handy.  At the time,
> we just thought it was interesting the way it turned out.  Had I known you'd want to
> see the Kodaks, I woulda took some.
>
> Take care - Elden
> -------------- Original message from "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>:
> --------------
>
>
>> Hmmmm, sounds pretty fantastical. I don't imagine that there are any pictures?
>>
>> See ya, Arnie
>>
>> On Fri, April 24, 2009 9:52 am, Elden DuRand wrote:
>> >
>> > A long time ago I tried the gunpowder trick once with limited success.
>> > > The whole thing was an experiment. I had to get rid of about a quarter pound
>> of > black powder and the engine was a locked-up GMC 235 engine that was headed
>> for
>> the
>> > scrap heap.
>> > > Actually, what happened is that the piston was driven down hard enough to
>> compress > the rod, break the crankshaft and blow the oil pan partly off. I think,
>> had
>> the > engine been salvageable, it would have been better to use more conventional
>> methods.





From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Apr 30 17:28:30 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (edurand at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 00:28:30 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <ec48a9b9f997196859b25b03495cf730.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENCIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com><62b7595dbc79214dce429cb363f0f72a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><043020092247.27265.49FA2A78000BC5F000006A81223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com>
	<ec48a9b9f997196859b25b03495cf730.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <050120090028.22948.49FA422E000DEEC7000059A4223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com>

Arnie:

Okey dokey!  Just get a 235 Jimmie engine, a quarter pound of black powder and some fuse and give me a call.    :-)

Take care - (a slightly older and wiser) Elden
-------------- Original message from "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>: -------------- 


> Well, duh... Re-do!! 8-)) 
> 
> On Thu, April 30, 2009 6:47 pm, edurand at mchsi.com wrote: 
> > Arnie: 
> > > This happened almost 50 years ago and I didn't have my camera handy. At the 
> time, > we just thought it was interesting the way it turned out. Had I known you'd 
> want to 
> > see the Kodaks, I woulda took some. 
> > 
> > Take care - Elden 
> > -------------- Original message from "Arnie Fero" : 
> > -------------- 
> > 
> > >> Hmmmm, sounds pretty fantastical. I don't imagine that there are any 
> pictures? 
> >> 
> >> See ya, Arnie 
> >> 
> >> On Fri, April 24, 2009 9:52 am, Elden DuRand wrote: 
> >> > 
> >> > A long time ago I tried the gunpowder trick once with limited success. >> > > The whole thing was an experiment. I had to get rid of about a quarter 
> pound >> of > black powder and the engine was a locked-up GMC 235 engine that was 
> headed 
> >> for 
> >> the 
> >> > scrap heap. 
> >> > > Actually, what happened is that the piston was driven down hard enough to 
> >> compress > the rod, break the crankshaft and blow the oil pan partly off. I 
> think, 
> >> had 
> >> the > engine been salvageable, it would have been better to use more 
> conventional 
> >> methods. 
> 
> 
> 
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Apr 30 21:37:13 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:37:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Quick shades
Message-ID: <20090430.213714.760.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks to all who replied to my question about display shades.  I have
used a 8' x 10' silver tarp on emt.  Too many pieces and too long to put
up and take down.  I will probably get a E Z up.  There is a factory
store close to me.  I will go and check them out.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From gastzt at aol.com  Wed Apr  1 02:00:00 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:00:00 EDT
Subject: [SEL] 60
Message-ID: <d45.420f1fa6.37048710@aol.com>

GOSH--you luckey guys!  I just made a 69 on the  24th---ha----      WHAT A 
NUMBER!
  Stan,  
 Pleasanton, Tx       (at  least these engines are older--ha)
**************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store?  Make dinner for $10 or 
less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)


From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Apr  1 04:52:26 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 22:52:26 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 60
In-Reply-To: <834171.88111.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <834171.88111.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01B59C6A17FB4F5A83E653A34F5E8C01@KerryPC>

Thanks Mate,
 I once thought that 60 was for old people, now I am one, but at least I 
don't feel that way MUCH yet.

Did you get the James Martin running

All the best
Kerry

>
> Shit Kerry, I'm 55 this month and I thought that was old. Happy birthday 
> for yesterday, old timer.
>



From rotigel at me.com  Wed Apr  1 08:38:27 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:38:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 60, Issue 27
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090331185536.01f1e730@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090331185536.01f1e730@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <81010227-5BFA-4003-8822-BA832E233DDC@me.com>

Damn, ALL of you guys on this list seems to be getting OLD!
	Dave

On Mar 31, 2009, at 12:57 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:

> At 06:00 PM 31/03/2009, you wrote:
>> From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
>> <snip>
>> I was 60 yesterday so I think old age is now with me :-((
>> Kerry
>
>
> Happy (belated) Birthday Kerry,
>         You beat me to it by a few months.
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>


From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Apr  1 16:23:26 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:23:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
In-Reply-To: <65BD33EA37FC48F8BA61C4831B7D91C4@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Kerry:

I think I did the same thing!  Went out and bought a new air filter for the lawn mower, taking the old one along to make sure the new one was identical.  

Got the last one in stock.

Came home and threw the old filter into the garbage can then set the can at the curb.

About an hour after the garbage had been picked up, I discovered that I'd also thrown the new filter away.  It was in the bag with the old filter!

DRAT!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Kerry
> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 05:14 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
> 
> 
> This mornings parallel visit, I decided to change 
> the blade of a Stanley 
> knife, all went well new blade, two halves back 
> together, put the screw in, 
> where's the screw that I pulled out a minute ago, 
> after cleaning the bench 
> down, sweeping the workshop floor and on hands 
> and knees looking at all 
> places it could have fallen then redoing it all 
> again.  1 1/2 hr later I 
> found it, yes in the garbage bin with the old 
> blade, must have thrown both 
> away
> I was 60 yesterday so I think old age is now with me :-((
> 
> Kerry




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Apr  1 15:47:48 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:47:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6DF8A9484F794D67AEE25C52ADCB562E@REG>

This thread is making me feel better about things that happen here!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?


> Kerry:
>
> I think I did the same thing!  Went out and bought a new air filter for 
> the lawn mower, taking the old one along to make sure the new one was 
> identical.
>
> Got the last one in stock.
>
> Came home and threw the old filter into the garbage can then set the can 
> at the curb.
>
> About an hour after the garbage had been picked up, I discovered that I'd 
> also thrown the new filter away.  It was in the bag with the old filter!
>
> DRAT!
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Kerry
>> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 05:14 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
>>
>>
>> This mornings parallel visit, I decided to change
>> the blade of a Stanley
>> knife, all went well new blade, two halves back
>> together, put the screw in,
>> where's the screw that I pulled out a minute ago,
>> after cleaning the bench
>> down, sweeping the workshop floor and on hands
>> and knees looking at all
>> places it could have fallen then redoing it all
>> again.  1 1/2 hr later I
>> found it, yes in the garbage bin with the old
>> blade, must have thrown both
>> away
>> I was 60 yesterday so I think old age is now with me :-((
>>
>> Kerry
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> 




From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Wed Apr  1 18:54:39 2009
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:54:39 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <65BD33EA37FC48F8BA61C4831B7D91C4@KerryPC>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <49d3f0c0.06a1660a.176b.ffff92b5@mx.google.com>

Kerry no problem just sit out the mower now so they can be together.
R Fink



At 06:23 PM 4/1/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>Kerry:
>
>I think I did the same thing!  Went out and bought a new air filter 
>for the lawn mower, taking the old one along to make sure the new 
>one was identical.
>
>Got the last one in stock.
>
>Came home and threw the old filter into the garbage can then set the 
>can at the curb.
>
>About an hour after the garbage had been picked up, I discovered 
>that I'd also thrown the new filter away.  It was in the bag with 
>the old filter!
>
>DRAT!
>
>Take care - Elden
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >  Behalf Of Kerry
> > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 05:14 PM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
> >
> >
> > This mornings parallel visit, I decided to change
> > the blade of a Stanley
> > knife, all went well new blade, two halves back
> > together, put the screw in,
> > where's the screw that I pulled out a minute ago,
> > after cleaning the bench
> > down, sweeping the workshop floor and on hands
> > and knees looking at all
> > places it could have fallen then redoing it all
> > again.  1 1/2 hr later I
> > found it, yes in the garbage bin with the old
> > blade, must have thrown both
> > away
> > I was 60 yesterday so I think old age is now with me :-((
> >
> > Kerry
>
>
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From lark2263 at phonet.com  Wed Apr  1 16:32:38 2009
From: lark2263 at phonet.com (KarlUSA)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:32:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <EABDDC5A3FEC4F7D90B78BEC8FB113A3@Karl>

Your experiences are a real comfort to one who is 87.  KarlUSA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?


> Kerry:
>
> I think I did the same thing!  Went out and bought a new air filter for 
> the lawn mower, taking the old one along to make sure the new one was 
> identical.
>
> Got the last one in stock.
>
> Came home and threw the old filter into the garbage can then set the can 
> at the curb.
>
> About an hour after the garbage had been picked up, I discovered that I'd 
> also thrown the new filter away.  It was in the bag with the old filter!
>
> DRAT!
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Kerry
>> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 05:14 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
>>
>>
>> This mornings parallel visit, I decided to change
>> the blade of a Stanley
>> knife, all went well new blade, two halves back
>> together, put the screw in,
>> where's the screw that I pulled out a minute ago,
>> after cleaning the bench
>> down, sweeping the workshop floor and on hands
>> and knees looking at all
>> places it could have fallen then redoing it all
>> again.  1 1/2 hr later I
>> found it, yes in the garbage bin with the old
>> blade, must have thrown both
>> away
>> I was 60 yesterday so I think old age is now with me :-((
>>
>> Kerry
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From marinesurveys at msn.com  Wed Apr  1 16:56:54 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:56:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
In-Reply-To: <EABDDC5A3FEC4F7D90B78BEC8FB113A3@Karl>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<EABDDC5A3FEC4F7D90B78BEC8FB113A3@Karl>
Message-ID: <COL106-W3711B439B37D07A600CD43B48B0@phx.gbl>


What i really wanna know { From an expert} is this really " OLD TIMERS" 

I've been doin this since 18 

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: lark2263 at phonet.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:32:38 -0500
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
> 
> Your experiences are a real comfort to one who is 87. KarlUSA
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
> 
> 
> > Kerry:
> >
> > I think I did the same thing! Went out and bought a new air filter for 
> > the lawn mower, taking the old one along to make sure the new one was 
> > identical.
> >
> > Got the last one in stock.
> >
> > Came home and threw the old filter into the garbage can then set the can 
> > at the curb.
> >
> > About an hour after the garbage had been picked up, I discovered that I'd 
> > also thrown the new filter away. It was in the bag with the old filter!
> >
> > DRAT!
> >
> > Take care - Elden
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >> Behalf Of Kerry
> >> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 05:14 PM
> >> To: The SEL email discussion list
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
> >>
> >>
> >> This mornings parallel visit, I decided to change
> >> the blade of a Stanley
> >> knife, all went well new blade, two halves back
> >> together, put the screw in,
> >> where's the screw that I pulled out a minute ago,
> >> after cleaning the bench
> >> down, sweeping the workshop floor and on hands
> >> and knees looking at all
> >> places it could have fallen then redoing it all
> >> again. 1 1/2 hr later I
> >> found it, yes in the garbage bin with the old
> >> blade, must have thrown both
> >> away
> >> I was 60 yesterday so I think old age is now with me :-((
> >>
> >> Kerry
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > 
> 
> 
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From gastzt at aol.com  Wed Apr  1 17:04:21 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 20:04:21 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
Message-ID: <ca1.528797b6.37055b05@aol.com>

DAMN! That makes me feel better---   I threw away a  new Model-A Ford timing 
gear the SAME way----DAMN it!
  Stan 
**************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store?  Make dinner for $10 or 
less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)


From kimmell at verizon.net  Wed Apr  1 21:22:52 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:22:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
In-Reply-To: <81010227-5BFA-4003-8822-BA832E233DDC@me.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090331185536.01f1e730@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<81010227-5BFA-4003-8822-BA832E233DDC@me.com>
Message-ID: <0KHG00FYVEOIYU66@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>

Wow, I feel like I'm 5 years old listening to all you OLD guys!!!

-Tony



From rotigel at me.com  Wed Apr  1 21:06:00 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 00:06:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
In-Reply-To: <49D1DCF4.1020208@insulate.co.uk>
References: <d07.4fcae03e.370287d3@aol.com>
	<65BD33EA37FC48F8BA61C4831B7D91C4@KerryPC>
	<49D1DCF4.1020208@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <50956D13-DC46-41F2-9EFB-14A14DDBD6D1@me.com>

Ah My Dearest Dolly,
	You have no idea of the truth of your observations--nor how hard it  
is for me to realize that everything must (sometime) come to an end!  
Had I known that I was going to live this long, I sure as hell would  
have taken better care of my body! My doctor tells me that it's "only  
a matter of time" now. Summer, fall, winter--sometime it will end. And  
as it comes ever nearer, a person learns to value even more the love  
and support of those for whom he has cared, and of those who have  
cared for him. Now, in the spring of 2009, it is not easy to realize  
that it will likely (if my doctors assessment is correct) end in the  
late fall of this year. But facts are facts and there is really no way  
around them! He keeps referring to a big book and telling me that  
sometime in November it will probably be all over.  I'm keeping my  
fingers crossed that it will then start all over again--perhaps on a  
different (higher/lower?) plain. I'm also hoping that before November  
ends that I will have attended Findley, Baraboo, Portland,  
Sistersville, Cotton Ginning and Denton! That way I will have seen  
most of my good friends before the end!
	Dave
PS, This one wouldn't be "right" w/out at least one "PS" would it?
PPS, I'm now to the point where it takes me all night to do what I  
used to do all night. (Not NECCESSARLY a bad thing.)
PPPS, Additionally, I still also believe in the 2nd coming--but find  
it harder and harder to achieve! (Not NECCESSARLY a GOOD thing!)
PPPPS, Life is GOOD!
PPPPPS, AIDS is BAD!
PPPPPPS, Happy BIRTHDAY Kerry--you COMMUNIST BUM!

On Mar 31, 2009, at 5:05 AM, Jim French wrote:

> Rubbish, Kerry - just look at Dave!  Now THAT's old.
>
> Jim & Dolly


From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Wed Apr  1 21:14:42 2009
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 12:14:42 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
In-Reply-To: <6DF8A9484F794D67AEE25C52ADCB562E@REG>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<6DF8A9484F794D67AEE25C52ADCB562E@REG>
Message-ID: <49D43BB2.10400@optusnet.com.au>

I know a chap not a millions miles from here who had trouble removing a 
magneto nut from his Velocette.
At re-build time, searched for the nut everywhere for four days - it was 
a special, not easily replaced. Workshop & benches got their best 
cleaning for years.
Eventually found it in his socket set - still in the 5/16" BSF socket.
Tricky devils, these alt-universe chappies.
JW?



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Apr  1 23:23:36 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:23:36 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com><6DF8A9484F794D67AEE25C52ADCB562E@REG>
	<49D43BB2.10400@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <D628A2E778E243D5A3F688883DA8ADB4@REG>

Have ya noticed, it is ALWAYS in the last place ya look?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?


I know a chap not a millions miles from here who had trouble removing a
magneto nut from his Velocette.
At re-build time, searched for the nut everywhere for four days - it was
a special, not easily replaced. Workshop & benches got their best
cleaning for years.
Eventually found it in his socket set - still in the 5/16" BSF socket.
Tricky devils, these alt-universe chappies.
JW?

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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Apr  2 01:13:50 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 16:13:50 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com><6DF8A9484F794D67AEE25C52ADCB562E@REG><49D43BB2.10400@optusnet.com.au>
	<D628A2E778E243D5A3F688883DA8ADB4@REG>
Message-ID: <76A67A56BB3C465D99E1CC821E3F4960@your9e74d7efa7>

What the hell are complaining about at least it seems that you have 
eventualy found " It''.Iam still looking ,six years have gone!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?


> Have ya noticed, it is ALWAYS in the last place ya look?
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jack" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 3:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
>
>
> I know a chap not a millions miles from here who had trouble removing a
> magneto nut from his Velocette.
> At re-build time, searched for the nut everywhere for four days - it was
> a special, not easily replaced. Workshop & benches got their best
> cleaning for years.
> Eventually found it in his socket set - still in the 5/16" BSF socket.
> Tricky devils, these alt-universe chappies.
> JW?
>
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From page at velocitynet.com.au  Thu Apr  2 04:32:47 2009
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 22:32:47 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <009501c9b386$c03973b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Haven't had much through of late.

 

Ron

Canberra



From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Thu Apr  2 05:24:58 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:24:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
In-Reply-To: <D628A2E778E243D5A3F688883DA8ADB4@REG>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com><6DF8A9484F794D67AEE25C52ADCB562E@REG>	<49D43BB2.10400@optusnet.com.au>
	<D628A2E778E243D5A3F688883DA8ADB4@REG>
Message-ID: <49D4AE9A.5010208@steamengine.com.au>

Gee, now I wonder why Reg. Only you old buggers would keep looking after 
you find something :).

Paul

R & M Ingold wrote:
> Have ya noticed, it is ALWAYS in the last place ya look?
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>   



From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Thu Apr  2 05:51:38 2009
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:51:38 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
In-Reply-To: <D628A2E778E243D5A3F688883DA8ADB4@REG>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com><6DF8A9484F794D67AEE25C52ADCB562E@REG>	<49D43BB2.10400@optusnet.com.au>
	<D628A2E778E243D5A3F688883DA8ADB4@REG>
Message-ID: <49D4B4DA.8050103@optusnet.com.au>

R & M Ingold wrote:
> Have ya noticed, it is ALWAYS in the last place ya look?
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>   
Reg, what a profound thought! There may a Ph.D in this.
Do you think we should ask Dave to supervise us?
JW?



From rustyjnk at ncbb.net  Thu Apr  2 07:39:06 2009
From: rustyjnk at ncbb.net (norman karde)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 07:39:06 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Test
In-Reply-To: <009501c9b386$c03973b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
References: <009501c9b386$c03973b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <49D4CE0A.6030104@ncbb.net>

Ron, It is working in Loomis Ca. N Karde

Ron Page wrote:
> Haven't had much through of late.
>
>  
>
> Ron
>
> Canberra
>
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Apr  2 08:19:24 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:19:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Test
In-Reply-To: <009501c9b386$c03973b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
References: <009501c9b386$c03973b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <20090402151922.CD3FB1D1007@mail04.wcoil.com>

Its Spring, always slows down this time of year.  When the swaps & 
shows in the US start in and the weather turns HOT it will pick up 
again.    Myself the spring allows me out to the garage more as I 
don't have to heat it up to work out there.  Same for other folks too 
and then theres the lawn clean ups, house repairs and such to take 
attentions away.  Fun Fun Fun!     Mark

PS: I've noticed the busy to slow trends for the stuff I sell on Ebay 
and the Engine discussion lists are tied at the hip, naturally so.

At 07:32 AM 4/2/2009, you wrote:
>Haven't had much through of late.
>
>Ron
>
>Canberra

Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site   www.Maytagclub.com 



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Apr  2 11:38:56 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:38:56 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1238688002.25623.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090402202510.00c51588@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 02/04/2009, you wrote:

>Have ya noticed, it is ALWAYS in the last place ya look?
>Reg & Marg Ingold.

Hi Reg,
         Often that's the case but I usually find that after I've given up, 
I wait for Jacqui to get back from work and describe the missing part to 
her. Invariably she walks straight to the bench and picks it up saying 
something like "Is this what it looks like?" :-) (I suppose that was the 
last place "she" looked !).

         The worst was a few years ago when I was up a ladder fixing some 
ceiling panels - I was battling to focus until I realised I did not have my 
specs on. From the top of the ladder, holding a ceiling panel in one hand 
and probably a hammer and nail in the other I looked over the room but 
could not see the missing specs anywhere.

         I called Jacqui to come from another part of the house and asked 
"Please look for my specs?" - she replied "You mean those hanging around 
your neck ?'

         That's where they always are !!!! Hanging around my neck on a string.
Keep well
Jerry
P.S. For those who do not know, Jacqui is my daughter. 



From George_Best at adp.com  Thu Apr  2 13:03:21 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:03:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090402202510.00c51588@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <mailman.1.1238688002.25623.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com >
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090402202510.00c51588@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A6F2966@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

I just realized that this must also explain where the extra parts must
come from.

Lots of times you work on some project and get it back together and see
that you have left over parts.

Must be parts that disappeared from some other bloke working on
something and wondering what happened to his part! ;-)

George


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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Apr  2 16:24:58 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 19:24:58 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
Message-ID: <cc3.41ebfc70.3706a34a@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/2/2009 12:30:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
rotigel at me.com writes:

I'm also  hoping that before November  
ends that I will have attended Findley,  Baraboo, Portland,  
Sistersville, Cotton Ginning and  Denton!
 
Dave,
 
I was hoping to see you in Evansville in June.  What day/days will you  be in 
Denton?  Sure would like to see you one more time before  November.  Not sure 
why!
 
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Concord, Va.
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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Apr  2 17:28:48 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:28:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Parallel Universe?
In-Reply-To: <cc3.41ebfc70.3706a34a@aol.com>
References: <cc3.41ebfc70.3706a34a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A3EB89A3-308F-4F97-A5D6-061A42D77149@me.com>

>   Sure would like to see you one more time before  November.  Not  
> sure why!
> Tom  Schmutz

I'm sure it's my CHARMING PERSONALITY! I'll be at Evansville and  
Denton for the full show dates! See you there!
	Dave


From lfevans at pacbell.net  Fri Apr  3 15:59:14 2009
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:59:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20090403155816.037dbfb8@pop.att.yahoo.com>

Hi.......

A while ago I scanned a Worthington engine catalog that I thought was one 
of the most informative ones around and posted the scans on my web 
site.  It consisted of over 30 individual scans of around 500 KB each which 
is a lot of downloading if you wanted to print it out.  Craig Mathews must 
have liked it because he spent a lot of time downloading the images, 
cleaning them up and putting it all together as a single PDF file of about 
9 MB in size.

I have put a link to the PDF on the web page so if you are interested it is 
a much easier way to view and print the catalog.  See:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/worthcat/
for the link.

Regards,
Larry

Larry Evans
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Apr  3 16:12:35 2009
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 19:12:35 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update
Message-ID: <c16.5d86d3be.3707f1e3@aol.com>

Thanks to you and Craig for making this useful data available to  us.
 
Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, Calif.
 
 
In a message dated 4/3/2009 4:04:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
lfevans at pacbell.net writes:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/worthcat/


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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Apr  3 16:41:14 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 10:41:14 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update
References: <6.0.1.1.2.20090403155816.037dbfb8@pop.att.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <72979C9035B448FB85AA4412BBC0179A@REG>

Adds a new dimension to  Glove Puppet / party mouthpiece.
Take away the hand and...............
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Evans" <lfevans at pacbell.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:59 AM
Subject: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update


> Hi.......
>
> A while ago I scanned a Worthington engine catalog that I thought was one
> of the most informative ones around and posted the scans on my web
> site.  It consisted of over 30 individual scans of around 500 KB each 
> which
> is a lot of downloading if you wanted to print it out.  Craig Mathews must
> have liked it because he spent a lot of time downloading the images,
> cleaning them up and putting it all together as a single PDF file of about
> 9 MB in size.
>
> I have put a link to the PDF on the web page so if you are interested it 
> is
> a much easier way to view and print the catalog.  See:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/worthcat/
> for the link.
>
> Regards,
> Larry
>
> Larry Evans
> MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From kosh at ncweb.com  Fri Apr  3 17:04:22 2009
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:04:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20090403155816.037dbfb8@pop.att.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20090403200413.0b3839b0@ncweb.com>

Very nice!!!

Dave Merchant


At 06:59 PM 4/3/2009, you wrote:
>Hi.......
>
>A while ago I scanned a Worthington engine catalog that I thought was one
>of the most informative ones around and posted the scans on my web
>site.  It consisted of over 30 individual scans of around 500 KB each which
>is a lot of downloading if you wanted to print it out.  Craig Mathews must
>have liked it because he spent a lot of time downloading the images,
>cleaning them up and putting it all together as a single PDF file of about
>9 MB in size.
>
>I have put a link to the PDF on the web page so if you are interested it is
>a much easier way to view and print the catalog.  See:
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/worthcat/
>for the link.
>
>Regards,
>Larry
>
>Larry Evans
>MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/
>
>
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Dave Merchant
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nesys_com at ameritech.net
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
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From rotigel at me.com  Fri Apr  3 18:05:35 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 21:05:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update
In-Reply-To: <72979C9035B448FB85AA4412BBC0179A@REG>
References: <6.0.1.1.2.20090403155816.037dbfb8@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<72979C9035B448FB85AA4412BBC0179A@REG>
Message-ID: <1243C318-E28B-42F8-9BE7-48BEB87FF196@me.com>

Hi Reg, I saw your ad on e-bay for this "puppy." How many have you  
sold thus far?
	Dave

On Apr 3, 2009, at 7:41 PM, R & M Ingold wrote:

> Adds a new dimension to  Glove Puppet / party mouthpiece.
> Take away the hand and...............
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Evans" <lfevans at pacbell.net>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:59 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update
>
>
>> Hi.......
>>
>> A while ago I scanned a Worthington engine catalog that I thought  
>> was one
>> of the most informative ones around and posted the scans on my web
>> site.  It consisted of over 30 individual scans of around 500 KB each
>> which
>> is a lot of downloading if you wanted to print it out.  Craig  
>> Mathews must
>> have liked it because he spent a lot of time downloading the images,
>> cleaning them up and putting it all together as a single PDF file  
>> of about
>> 9 MB in size.
>>
>> I have put a link to the PDF on the web page so if you are  
>> interested it
>> is
>> a much easier way to view and print the catalog.  See:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/worthcat/
>> for the link.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Larry
>>
>> Larry Evans
>> MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr  3 20:33:53 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 20:33:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20090403155816.037dbfb8@pop.att.yahoo.com>
References: <6.0.1.1.2.20090403155816.037dbfb8@pop.att.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C63DD6C3-8364-482B-80F8-F46CB64C8988@rustyiron.com>

Thanks, guys, for taking the time to put this together.  Old paper is  
hard to come by, and very expensive when you do.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Apr 3, 2009, at 3:59 PM, Larry Evans wrote:

> Hi.......
>
> A while ago I scanned a Worthington engine catalog that I thought  
> was one
> of the most informative ones around and posted the scans on my web
> site.  It consisted of over 30 individual scans of around 500 KB  
> each which
> is a lot of downloading if you wanted to print it out.  Craig  
> Mathews must
> have liked it because he spent a lot of time downloading the images,
> cleaning them up and putting it all together as a single PDF file of  
> about
> 9 MB in size.
>
> I have put a link to the PDF on the web page so if you are  
> interested it is
> a much easier way to view and print the catalog.  See:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/worthcat/
> for the link.
>
> Regards,
> Larry



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Apr  3 20:51:09 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 14:51:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update
References: <6.0.1.1.2.20090403155816.037dbfb8@pop.att.yahoo.com><72979C9035B448FB85AA4412BBC0179A@REG>
	<1243C318-E28B-42F8-9BE7-48BEB87FF196@me.com>
Message-ID: <A16E24A1372641D0B43F2027D6EAF842@REG>

Yup, I answered the wrong mail!!
Should have been for "This says it all"
Blame it on age and stiff fingers.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update


> Hi Reg, I saw your ad on e-bay for this "puppy." How many have you  
> sold thus far?
> Dave
> 
> On Apr 3, 2009, at 7:41 PM, R & M Ingold wrote:
> 
>> Adds a new dimension to  Glove Puppet / party mouthpiece.
>> Take away the hand and...............
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Larry Evans" <lfevans at pacbell.net>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:59 AM
>> Subject: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update
>>
>>
>>> Hi.......
>>>
>>> A while ago I scanned a Worthington engine catalog that I thought  
>>> was one
>>> of the most informative ones around and posted the scans on my web
>>> site.  It consisted of over 30 individual scans of around 500 KB each
>>> which
>>> is a lot of downloading if you wanted to print it out.  Craig  
>>> Mathews must
>>> have liked it because he spent a lot of time downloading the images,
>>> cleaning them up and putting it all together as a single PDF file  
>>> of about
>>> 9 MB in size.
>>>
>>> I have put a link to the PDF on the web page so if you are  
>>> interested it
>>> is
>>> a much easier way to view and print the catalog.  See:
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/worthcat/
>>> for the link.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> Larry Evans
>>> MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sat Apr  4 03:20:29 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 21:20:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT help with Excel off list
Message-ID: <C0257A9DAC154E25A2B5D74969EBF0F4@peterlowe>

Hi all
I would not normally put this to the list but I need a little help.

Is there anyone proficient in MS Excel and IF Statements, if so please contact me OFF LIST.
If you do not know how to contact me OFF LIST then please do not reply.
I light of recent events we should see no more reference to this subject ON LIST ;-)

Contact me here plowe at exemail.com.au

Peter Oz

From rotigel at me.com  Sat Apr  4 06:42:31 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 09:42:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Worthington Engine Catalog - update
In-Reply-To: <A16E24A1372641D0B43F2027D6EAF842@REG>
References: <6.0.1.1.2.20090403155816.037dbfb8@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<72979C9035B448FB85AA4412BBC0179A@REG>
	<1243C318-E28B-42F8-9BE7-48BEB87FF196@me.com>
	<A16E24A1372641D0B43F2027D6EAF842@REG>
Message-ID: <96FCC0AE-B328-4613-B9C8-7853E6F5EBD1@me.com>


On Apr 3, 2009, at 11:51 PM, R & M Ingold wrote:
>
> Blame it on age and stiff fingers.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.

Sadly that's about all we have left in that condition, mate!
	Dave


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sat Apr  4 13:30:35 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 13:30:35 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
Message-ID: <20651069.1238877035512.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like today I decided to finally spend sometime in the shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have had now for 2 months.  Spent about an hour working on the ignition system and a few engine adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I got this very strange sound, BANG..BANG followed by miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BANG..BANG!!..ect..  What a lovely sound.  


Tim Christoff
Basehor, Kansas.


From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Sat Apr  4 14:35:15 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 17:35:15 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
Message-ID: <cf5.4c9e60ef.37092c93@aol.com>

Sounds like you have to much missin and bangin going on over there.
KK
 
 
In a message dated 4/4/2009 4:34:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tchristoff at earthlink.net writes:


Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like today I decided to  finally 
spend sometime in the shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have  had now 
for 2 months.  Spent about an hour working on the ignition system  and a few 
engine adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I got this  very strange 
sound, BANG..BANG followed by  
miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BANG..BANG!!..ect..  What  a lovely sound.  


Tim Christoff
Basehor,  Kansas.
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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Sat Apr  4 14:38:03 2009
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 07:38:03 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
References: <20651069.1238877035512.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <26F3C128B62441C29B313AEE08205104@Edd>

That's great Tim.That engine music beats AC/DC any time.We are in Autumn now 
and ended daylight saving at midnight so it will start to cool of soon but 
here in OZ it wont get so cold to stop me messing with my stuff.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:30 AM
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!


>
> Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like today I decided to finally 
> spend sometime in the shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have had 
> now for 2 months.  Spent about an hour working on the ignition system and 
> a few engine adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I got this 
> very strange sound, BANG..BANG followed by 
> miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BANG..BANG!!..ect..  What a 
> lovely sound.
>
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor, Kansas.
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sat Apr  4 15:49:43 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 18:49:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
References: <20651069.1238877035512.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001f01c9b577$a5f396f0$66674b47@mikecomp>

Atta boy Tim!  Can't wait to see it at Portland this year.  I am bringing a 
3 hp Economy and 300 bucks to swap for it, just like we agreed.  See you 
then!!!!

Mike (the good) cloistered oyster Royster

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 4:30 PM
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!


>
> Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like today I decided to finally 
> spend sometime in the shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have had 
> now for 2 months.  Spent about an hour working on the ignition system and 
> a few engine adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I got this 
> very strange sound, BANG..BANG followed by 
> miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BANG..BANG!!..ect..  What a 
> lovely sound.
>
>
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor, Kansas.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Apr  4 18:20:08 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 20:20:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
In-Reply-To: <20651069.1238877035512.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEOCIAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tim:

I ass-u-me that your new toy is a hit and miss.

If not, you've got some more work to do.    :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Tim
> Christoff
> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 03:31 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
> 
> 
> 
> Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like 
> today I decided to finally spend sometime in the 
> shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have 
> had now for 2 months.  Spent about an hour 
> working on the ignition system and a few engine 
> adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I 
> got this very strange sound, BANG..BANG followed 
> by 
> miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BAN
> G..BANG!!..ect..  What a lovely sound.  
> 
> 
> Tim Christoff




From kevin.karch at att.net  Sat Apr  4 18:02:58 2009
From: kevin.karch at att.net (Kevin Karch)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 18:02:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Thanks for the card!
Message-ID: <120925.90356.qm@web83801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi all - 

Quick update...Dad (Glenn) is still hanging in there and was tickled by the card....I could tell it really lifted his spirits...In fact, Mom is going to have it framed!? He said it was good to hear from so many people from so many places.

Regards and thanks for all of your well wishes,

Kevin Karch

From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr  4 19:13:34 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 20:13:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T O.T. Looking for list member in Pine Bluff, Arkansas
Message-ID: <54C8CF06B0324563BEDB86F3C7F75E9F@PAUL>

If any of our list members lives in Pine Bluff, Arkansas  will you please contact me off list.

Thanks,
Paul


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr  4 19:14:39 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 20:14:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Thanks for the card!
References: <120925.90356.qm@web83801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B412F5A9C9354C838792E4E66AB87221@PAUL>

Kevin does your dad get on the pc just to read e-mails?

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Karch" <kevin.karch at att.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:02 PM
Subject: [SEL] Thanks for the card!


Hi all -

Quick update...Dad (Glenn) is still hanging in there and was tickled by the 
card....I could tell it really lifted his spirits...In fact, Mom is going to 
have it framed! He said it was good to hear from so many people from so many 
places.

Regards and thanks for all of your well wishes,

Kevin Karch
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sat Apr  4 18:55:12 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 21:55:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
In-Reply-To: <20651069.1238877035512.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <20651069.1238877035512.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <COL112-W78EC915A6F08944D1D898695870@phx.gbl>


Pictures, Tim, we need Pictures, since we can't be in Kansas! Send pictures till Portland brings this engine home. Steve 
 
> Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 13:30:35 -0700
> From: tchristoff at earthlink.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
> 
> 
> Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like today I decided to finally spend sometime in the shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have had now for 2 months. Spent about an hour working on the ignition system and a few engine adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I got this very strange sound, BANG..BANG followed by miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BANG..BANG!!..ect.. What a lovely sound. 
> 
> 
> Tim Christoff
> Basehor, Kansas.
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr  4 20:18:02 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 21:18:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
References: <20651069.1238877035512.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<COL112-W78EC915A6F08944D1D898695870@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <22A592136B6D414A9DFC2A8F41285C35@PAUL>

Steve, I may have been hearing things but we had a strong wind out of the 
North today and I swore I heard old Red fire up and running, was this just a 
figment of my imagination?

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!



Pictures, Tim, we need Pictures, since we can't be in Kansas! Send pictures 
till Portland brings this engine home. Steve

> Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 13:30:35 -0700
> From: tchristoff at earthlink.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
>
>
> Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like today I decided to finally 
> spend sometime in the shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have had 
> now for 2 months. Spent about an hour working on the ignition system and a 
> few engine adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I got this very 
> strange sound, BANG..BANG followed by 
> miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BANG..BANG!!..ect.. What a 
> lovely sound.
>
>
> Tim Christoff
> 



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Apr  4 19:43:41 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 12:43:41 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Austral register update
Message-ID: <C5FE57FD.B79%pml1@bigpond.net.au>

Well it has taken nearly two years but I finally have the entire Austral
register in a computer datatbase! This means I can finally very quickly look
up engine details or add to the register.
I have also updated the register page on my site & hope to be able to make
the register available as either a printout or as a PDF on disk later this
year. 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg0409.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Apr  4 21:35:43 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 00:35:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Austral register update
In-Reply-To: <C5FE57FD.B79%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <261B8728FA2E430F8BABCA947E810A01@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Wow, tremendous work Patrick.  I'm surprised at the number of engines
that are still around.  I wonder why there hasn't been more of them make
their way to the states?  I doubt there is more than a handful here in
the US.  I'd like to land my hands on one someday!  Looking at the
photos you have posted, I think I like the portables, 8 to 11 HP range.
Those cast wheels look nice but are they prone to any cracking?  I could
see letting one drop off the edge of a ramp and hitting the concrete.
Could you tell me if the magneto was an option for any engine?  The lamp
is neat but I don't like having to keep a torch under one for several
hours at a show.

Thanks!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 10:44 PM
To: ATIS; Oldengine
Subject: [SEL] Austral register update


Well it has taken nearly two years but I finally have the entire Austral
register in a computer datatbase! This means I can finally very quickly
look up engine details or add to the register. I have also updated the
register page on my site & hope to be able to make the register
available as either a printout or as a PDF on disk later this year. 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg0409.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html



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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  5 05:57:22 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 08:57:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
In-Reply-To: <22A592136B6D414A9DFC2A8F41285C35@PAUL>
References: <20651069.1238877035512.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<COL112-W78EC915A6F08944D1D898695870@phx.gbl> 
	<22A592136B6D414A9DFC2A8F41285C35@PAUL>
Message-ID: <COL112-W47F21835D90EA51921C5DF95870@phx.gbl>


What great hearing you have!     Yes , her first show is two weeks away and I'm fine tuning to get her ready. I 'll send pics when we get there!  Steve
 
> From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 21:18:02 -0600
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
> 
> Steve, I may have been hearing things but we had a strong wind out of the 
> North today and I swore I heard old Red fire up and running, was this just a 
> figment of my imagination?
> 
> Paul
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
> 
> 
> 
> Pictures, Tim, we need Pictures, since we can't be in Kansas! Send pictures 
> till Portland brings this engine home. Steve
> 
> > Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 13:30:35 -0700
> > From: tchristoff at earthlink.net
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
> >
> >
> > Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like today I decided to finally 
> > spend sometime in the shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have had 
> > now for 2 months. Spent about an hour working on the ignition system and a 
> > few engine adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I got this very 
> > strange sound, BANG..BANG followed by 
> > miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BANG..BANG!!..ect.. What a 
> > lovely sound.
> >
> >
> > Tim Christoff
> > 
> 
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Apr  5 07:01:33 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 10:01:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Associated on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W47F21835D90EA51921C5DF95870@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9A5D6F6F2EE6414294158A95D9B73EC1@tommydk7hxjr4h>

I noticed this nice 6 HP Associated on ebay.  Looks like a nice engine
but I'm curious about the hopper.  I notice the hopper has a small round
hole in it rather than the "normal" rolled in edge that most Associateds
used.  Have I just not noticed the round hole on others or is this one a
bit different?  The item number is:

250400646007

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY  USA



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sun Apr  5 08:52:26 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 08:52:26 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
Message-ID: <7747698.1238946746908.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Now Mike, you know that we never did come to final terms on that agreement and since then you brother has up'ed you on the offer making your now void.  Don't know if he will be able to come through with such a great offer but it is still an offer.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
>Sent: Apr 4, 2009 3:49 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
>
>Atta boy Tim!  Can't wait to see it at Portland this year.  I am bringing a 
>3 hp Economy and 300 bucks to swap for it, just like we agreed.  See you 
>then!!!!
>
>Mike (the good) cloistered oyster Royster
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 4:30 PM
>Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
>
>
>>
>> Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like today I decided to finally 
>> spend sometime in the shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have had 
>> now for 2 months.  Spent about an hour working on the ignition system and 
>> a few engine adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I got this 
>> very strange sound, BANG..BANG followed by 
>> miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BANG..BANG!!..ect..  What a 
>> lovely sound.
>>
>>
>> Tim Christoff
>> Basehor, Kansas.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>> 
>
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sun Apr  5 08:56:24 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 08:56:24 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
Message-ID: <6133637.1238946984550.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

yup, she's a hit and miss.  One will fire and then in 180 degrees the next one fires and then it coast for a while.  It might have gone around 12 to 15 times before firing again, I still have some work to do on it so I can get longer periods of coasting.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
>From: Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>
>Sent: Apr 4, 2009 6:20 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
>
>Tim:
>
>I ass-u-me that your new toy is a hit and miss.
>
>If not, you've got some more work to do.    :-)
>
>Take care - Elden
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Tim
>> Christoff
>> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 03:31 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like 
>> today I decided to finally spend sometime in the 
>> shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have 
>> had now for 2 months.  Spent about an hour 
>> working on the ignition system and a few engine 
>> adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I 
>> got this very strange sound, BANG..BANG followed 
>> by 
>> miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BAN
>> G..BANG!!..ect..  What a lovely sound.  
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Christoff
>
>
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sun Apr  5 08:59:40 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 08:59:40 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
Message-ID: <15223576.1238947181181.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Well yesterday we had temps in the upper 60's and partly sunning, this morning when I got up the temps were in the upper 20's with sleet and a chance for snow later in the day so I guess winter isn't over with yet.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Edd Payne <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
>Sent: Apr 4, 2009 2:38 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
>
>That's great Tim.That engine music beats AC/DC any time.We are in Autumn now 
>and ended daylight saving at midnight so it will start to cool of soon but 
>here in OZ it wont get so cold to stop me messing with my stuff.
>EDD PAYNE
>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
>Australia
>2852
>Phone:0263742387
>edsengns at optusnet.com.au
>edsengns
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:30 AM
>Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
>
>
>>
>> Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like today I decided to finally 
>> spend sometime in the shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have had 
>> now for 2 months.  Spent about an hour working on the ignition system and 
>> a few engine adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I got this 
>> very strange sound, BANG..BANG followed by 
>> miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BANG..BANG!!..ect..  What a 
>> lovely sound.
>>
>>
>> Tim Christoff
>> Basehor, Kansas.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> 
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr  5 13:12:21 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 14:12:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
References: <20651069.1238877035512.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net><COL112-W78EC915A6F08944D1D898695870@phx.gbl>
	<22A592136B6D414A9DFC2A8F41285C35@PAUL>
	<COL112-W47F21835D90EA51921C5DF95870@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <EF87E3E33AB14F8A860E8838E9889807@PAUL>

Steve I am normally hard hearing but I have so many years of work invested 
in Old Red that I can pick her running sound out of a Thunderstorm. Now you 
be good to Old Red and show her off proud and send her Daddy some pictures, 
ye hear?????

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!



What great hearing you have!     Yes , her first show is two weeks away and 
I'm fine tuning to get her ready. I 'll send pics when we get there!  Steve




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  5 18:19:23 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 21:19:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
In-Reply-To: <7747698.1238946746908.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <7747698.1238946746908.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <COL112-W29181CEC8F14E250DC7C2D95840@phx.gbl>


Now Tim, You Know my good offer still stands!  We'll fulfill that contract at Portland while my brother cries in his beer over his ridiculously low offer on your fine engine! Remember his bucks ain't real and his Economy don't run! But keep this just between us, I don't want to get into family issues if ya know what I mean. Steve the good cloistered oyster brother!

 

 


 
> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 08:52:26 -0700
> From: tchristoff at earthlink.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
> 
> Now Mike, you know that we never did come to final terms on that agreement and since then you brother has up'ed you on the offer making your now void. Don't know if he will be able to come through with such a great offer but it is still an offer.
> 
> Tim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> >Sent: Apr 4, 2009 3:49 PM
> >To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
> >
> >Atta boy Tim! Can't wait to see it at Portland this year. I am bringing a 
> >3 hp Economy and 300 bucks to swap for it, just like we agreed. See you 
> >then!!!!
> >
> >Mike (the good) cloistered oyster Royster
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 4:30 PM
> >Subject: [SEL] Hey (R)Oster boy!
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Seeing how the weather was somewhat spring like today I decided to finally 
> >> spend sometime in the shop playing with the New Way Twin that I have had 
> >> now for 2 months. Spent about an hour working on the ignition system and 
> >> a few engine adjustments and when I gave the flywheel a spin I got this 
> >> very strange sound, BANG..BANG followed by 
> >> miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..miss..mis..BANG..BANG!!..ect.. What a 
> >> lovely sound.
> >>
> >>
> >> Tim Christoff
> >> Basehor, Kansas.
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From k_armstrong at arach.net.au  Sun Apr  5 22:17:39 2009
From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 13:17:39 +0800
Subject: [SEL] unknown engine
Message-ID: <E5E7F7DF322B4179B31731D2B7AA9ECD@armstrong>

can some one help Identify this engine, I now have 2 of them both with no id except all castings have jj part numbers, the serial numbers are JJ 61704 & JJ 61707. Simplicity engines look simmilar but cant get any information on them.


Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA 
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member 
V.C.C. of WA. member 
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Apr  6 01:53:57 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:53:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Austral register update
In-Reply-To: <261B8728FA2E430F8BABCA947E810A01@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <C6000045.BB0%pml1@bigpond.net.au>

Hi Tommy,
There are four engines in the USA on the register. The magneto engines are
scattered across the years as R-T refurbished engines at the factory or
fitted magnetos on site. From the early 20's more and more engines were
fitted with magnetos although lamp engines were still built to order. If you
want a magneto engine it would be best to find one rather than convert a
lamp engines. The parts to make the conversion would be difficult to source.
I have never heard of one of the cast wheels cracking under normal use. I
will admit to one of my wheels slipping off the ramp onto the concrete with
a thud but not even a mark or slightest sign of a crack. They are a very,
very high quality casting. R-T were slightly obsessed so the engines are
massively overbuilt which would be part of the reason for the astounding
survival rate.
Patrick


On 5/4/09 2:35 PM, "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:

> Wow, tremendous work Patrick.  I'm surprised at the number of engines
> that are still around.  I wonder why there hasn't been more of them make
> their way to the states?  I doubt there is more than a handful here in
> the US.  I'd like to land my hands on one someday!  Looking at the
> photos you have posted, I think I like the portables, 8 to 11 HP range.
> Those cast wheels look nice but are they prone to any cracking?  I could
> see letting one drop off the edge of a ramp and hitting the concrete.
> Could you tell me if the magneto was an option for any engine?  The lamp
> is neat but I don't like having to keep a torch under one for several
> hours at a show.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
>


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Apr  6 01:54:47 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:54:47 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Associated on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <9A5D6F6F2EE6414294158A95D9B73EC1@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <C6000077.BB1%pml1@bigpond.net.au>

Is it an 'Iowa Oversize' Associated? I think their hoppers are a little
different.
Patrick


On 6/4/09 12:01 AM, "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:

> I noticed this nice 6 HP Associated on ebay.  Looks like a nice engine
> but I'm curious about the hopper.  I notice the hopper has a small round
> hole in it rather than the "normal" rolled in edge that most Associateds
> used.  Have I just not noticed the round hole on others or is this one a
> bit different?  The item number is:
> 
> 250400646007
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY  USA
> 



Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From arnie1cax at woosh.co.nz  Mon Apr  6 16:04:58 2009
From: arnie1cax at woosh.co.nz (Arnold Laird)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 11:04:58 +1200
Subject: [SEL] Nationional engine
Message-ID: <704414885FE04A2BB25326884A572E69@user67e31dda98>

Can anyone help with a year of manufacture for this National Engine Model "M" No 241.

A friend found this engine buried in a creek recently.
One fly wheel broken off and other bits broken or bent possibly by a dozer.Nuts are coming off easily but a lot of rust to be removed.
I do have pics but not too sure how to send them to the list
   The brass plate says     National gas engine co
                                     Bickerton & Bradleys Patents
                                     Ashton-under Lyne
   Thanks Arnie Laird

From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Apr  6 21:44:00 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 21:44:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Nationional engine
In-Reply-To: <704414885FE04A2BB25326884A572E69@user67e31dda98>
References: <704414885FE04A2BB25326884A572E69@user67e31dda98>
Message-ID: <BBADE843-AE38-46BD-946A-9C1164573ABF@rustyiron.com>

Hi, Arnie.  You CAN'T send pictures of this desirable, super-low  
serial number engine to the Stationary Engine List.  I don't think  
records exist for Nationals that were built that early.  If it's not  
too much trouble, please send the pictures to me directly.  I'd like  
to have a peek at them.  If you want, I can put them up temporarily on  
my web site.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Apr 6, 2009, at 4:04 PM, Arnold Laird wrote:

> Can anyone help with a year of manufacture for this National Engine  
> Model "M" No 241.
>
> A friend found this engine buried in a creek recently.
> One fly wheel broken off and other bits broken or bent possibly by a  
> dozer.Nuts are coming off easily but a lot of rust to be removed.
> I do have pics but not too sure how to send them to the list
>   The brass plate says     National gas engine co
>                                     Bickerton & Bradleys Patents
>                                     Ashton-under Lyne
>   Thanks Arnie Laird



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Apr  6 23:33:57 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 16:33:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Nationional engine
In-Reply-To: <BBADE843-AE38-46BD-946A-9C1164573ABF@rustyiron.com>
References: <704414885FE04A2BB25326884A572E69@user67e31dda98>
	<BBADE843-AE38-46BD-946A-9C1164573ABF@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <EC187010414543A49B05FCFFD055405A@KerryPC>

Wow Arnie are you sure it is 241, that is real early. I know 636 was built 
1891
love also to see some pics

Kerry




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Apr  7 02:00:44 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:00:44 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. eMail address
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090407103916.03158e70@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Starting today our ISP is moving our email server to a new machine 
which also uses new software. They have promised that there will be no 
disruption or mail loss but I'm not so sure :-(

         The old server has been giving a lot of trouble of late and kept 
on crashing. (I think it ran out of paraffin :-) !). Our mail is still 
going to the old server and then forwarding it to the new server until the 
whole thing is running smoothly again. This worries me because I have a lot 
of filtering rules set up on the old server and I'm not sure how this 
transition is going to handle them.

         I'm only mentioning this on the list because I receive quite a few 
mails "off list" from members (mainly about tags). I always try to reply 
within 1 (or 2 at most) days so if you do not get a reply in this time 
please resend.

         Although our email addresses WILL NOT change I've set up a new 
email address on the new server as a temporary measure, just in case.
Mail to this address will go direct to the new server without being first 
routed through the old one. Use this address ONLY if you do not hear back 
from me within 2 days and it is also only a temporary arrangement (a few 
weeks at most).
The temporary address is <jerrye at atech.co.za>

         Thanks and also "sorry" to use the lists for this.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From k_armstrong at arach.net.au  Tue Apr  7 16:24:47 2009
From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 07:24:47 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Fw: updateing web page
Message-ID: <A7EA4BE149EE4DF3BF870AE9E76AF324@armstrong>



hello Jim,
 I have been trying to up date my web page but it will not load, I get a message 
 ( Microsoft FrontPage,
bad parameter passed to web server extensions. check the information you entered & try again.)

I have change things three time but do different, is there a maximum you can except.

all help appreciated

Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA 
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member 
V.C.C. of WA. member 
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Apr  8 06:28:18 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:28:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
Message-ID: <84BC69E92F6348F385F23AA3A4D2514C@tommyd0x52gkco>

A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info below.  Quite interesting.
Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY  USA
 
 
Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break out
torque on rusted nuts.  Significant results!  They are below, as
forwarded by an ex-student and professional machinist, Bud Baker.
*Don't forget the April 2007 "Machinist's Workshop" magazine comparison
test.*
**
*They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants with
the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a
"scientifically rusted" environment.*
**

*Penetrating oil ..... Average load*

None ..................... 516 pounds
WD-40 .................. 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ..... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix....53 pounds

*The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission
fluid and acetone.*
*Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this one
particular test. Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about
as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. *
**
*Your experience may vary, etc., etc.*
 


From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Apr  8 08:27:09 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:27:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: updateing web page
In-Reply-To: <A7EA4BE149EE4DF3BF870AE9E76AF324@armstrong>
References: <A7EA4BE149EE4DF3BF870AE9E76AF324@armstrong>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A7DAD66@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

Jim,

I'd suggest you post your request on a Microsoft Frontpage forum.
People using Frontpage will be of more help than antique engine
collectors. ;-)
You obviously have something setup wrong.


George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of kevin
armstrong
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:25 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Fw: updateing web page



hello Jim,
 I have been trying to up date my web page but it will not load, I get a
message 
 ( Microsoft FrontPage,
bad parameter passed to web server extensions. check the information you
entered & try again.)

I have change things three time but do different, is there a maximum you
can except.

all help appreciated

Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA 
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member 
V.C.C. of WA. member 
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong
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From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Apr  8 08:34:41 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:34:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <84BC69E92F6348F385F23AA3A4D2514C@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <84BC69E92F6348F385F23AA3A4D2514C@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A7DADA7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

Does it matter which type of ATF is used?  Type A or Type F?

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge
Tommy Turner
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:28 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils

A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info below.  Quite interesting.
Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY  USA
 
 
Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break out
torque on rusted nuts.  Significant results!  They are below, as
forwarded by an ex-student and professional machinist, Bud Baker.
*Don't forget the April 2007 "Machinist's Workshop" magazine comparison
test.*
**
*They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants with
the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a
"scientifically rusted" environment.*
**

*Penetrating oil ..... Average load*

None ..................... 516 pounds
WD-40 .................. 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ..... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix....53 pounds

*The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission
fluid and acetone.*
*Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this one
particular test. Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about
as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. *
**
*Your experience may vary, etc., etc.*
 
_______________________________________________
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  8 08:43:11 2009
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:43:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Show date
Message-ID: <466577.92689.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Morning,
What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
Thanks


?Ron Frost
??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
?
Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise


      

From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Apr  8 08:56:54 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:56:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <84BC69E92F6348F385F23AA3A4D2514C@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <84BC69E92F6348F385F23AA3A4D2514C@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <ACFD39F2-CDEE-4B54-BAEA-B869CA8D3B22@rustyiron.com>

Very interesting, Tommy.  I have somewhat of a lubricant fetish, and  
the shelfs contain more partially used cans of concoctions that I'd  
care to admit.  I think one shelf also harbors more cans of atf than  
most people would consider normal.  Perhaps some experimentation is in  
order.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com




On Apr 8, 2009, at 6:28 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info below.  Quite  
> interesting.
> Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY  USA


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Apr  8 08:57:37 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:57:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil
Message-ID: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

George, I just got off the phone with a tranny shop.He says that it doesn't
make any difference, they are both high detergents. The difference is the
compatibility with the clutch linings. I'm curious about Acetone and engine
finishes. What is acetone? Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Apr  8 09:38:00 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:38:00 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil
In-Reply-To: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <C01A4438-1A97-4E8F-A144-5D337BFC5CDA@rustyiron.com>

On Apr 8, 2009, at 8:57 AM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:

> George, I just got off the phone with a tranny shop.He says that it  
> doesn't
> make any difference, they are both high detergents. The difference  
> is the
> compatibility with the clutch linings. I'm curious about Acetone and  
> engine
> finishes. What is acetone? Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236

It's the stuff that dissolves paint and melts plastic.  Be wary about  
what kind of container you place it in.  I think acetone is the major  
component of lacquer thinner.






From Jim at hardmanfamily.net  Wed Apr  8 10:19:01 2009
From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:19:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <C709B960B12443F891736521DD5F1A70@JamesDesktop>


Jim,

Acetone is a solvent used in the formulation of nail polish, nail polish 
remover and many lacquers.  It is totally soluble in water and when mixed 
with other solvents has the ability to soften some paint finishes.  Used 
alone, acetone is used to clean and degrease metal surfaces;  coin 
collectors use acetone to remove fingerprints.

It evaporates very quickly;  short exposure to engine paint, particularly 
paint which has hardened with heat over time, should not be a problem. 
Early auto finishes, lacquer finishes, are more in jeopardy.  But you can 
generally clean engine enamel with a quick wipe with acetone to remove 
greasy film and help promote adhesion of new paint.

Toluene or Xylene would probably be better for cutting dried grease and oil 
film.  For loosening dried and hardened oil residues, acetone would not be 
first choice.  But it apparently acts as a carrier for transmission fluid, 
encouraging and promoting deep penetration.  This application as a rust 
penetrant gets my attention.

I am disappointed that Gibbs penetrant was not included in these tests. 
Gibbs is, to me, the best rust cutter I have tried.  I had soaked parts of a 
steam engine in Kroil and WD-40 for a couple weeks with no progress.  Ten 
miniutes with Gibbs and the rust melted away, the bolts were free with 
minimal torque.

Jim in Vermont.  Where snow is still falling.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 11:57 AM
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil


> George, I just got off the phone with a tranny shop.He says that it 
> doesn't
> make any difference, they are both high detergents. The difference is the
> compatibility with the clutch linings. I'm curious about Acetone and 
> engine
> finishes. What is acetone? Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236
>
>
>
> Jim O'Hagan
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jneth3 at mac.com  Wed Apr  8 10:35:00 2009
From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:35:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil
In-Reply-To: <GCRS45038F27@gocruisers.org>
References: <GCRS45038F27@gocruisers.org>
Message-ID: <123372849783277176590727368666068282665-Webmail@me.com>

Acetone is an organic solvent.  The primary ingredient in fingernail polish remover.  It will dissolve super-glue.  It is very useful but be careful.  Use glass or metal containers as it will dissolve many plastics, paints etc.  Put a drop on a styrofoam cup and watch what happens....

John

John W. Neth III


Johnson City, TN  37601





 
On Wednesday, April 08, 2009, at 11:57AM, "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net> wrote:
>George, I just got off the phone with a tranny shop.He says that it doesn't
>make any difference, they are both high detergents. The difference is the
>compatibility with the clutch linings. I'm curious about Acetone and engine
>finishes. What is acetone? Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236
>
> 
>
>Jim O'Hagan
>
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Apr  8 10:47:40 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:47:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A7DADA7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <84BC69E92F6348F385F23AA3A4D2514C@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A7DADA7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <FA701104-CD7F-42F5-8E7D-982FFF985A68@me.com>

Hi Tommy, Does this friend know the meaning of the word "subjective"  
as in "subjective test?"
	Dave
PS, Do you know where I can buy some of that None stuff?

On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Does it matter which type of ATF is used?  Type A or Type F?
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge
> Tommy Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:28 AM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
>
> A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info below.  Quite  
> interesting.
> Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY  USA
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break out
> torque on rusted nuts.  Significant results!  They are below, as
> forwarded by an ex-student and professional machinist, Bud Baker.
> *Don't forget the April 2007 "Machinist's Workshop" magazine  
> comparison
> test.*
> **
> *They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants with
> the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a
> "scientifically rusted" environment.*
> **
>
> *Penetrating oil ..... Average load*
>
> None ..................... 516 pounds
> WD-40 .................. 238 pounds
> PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds
> Liquid Wrench ..... 127 pounds
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
> ATF-Acetone mix....53 pounds
>
> *The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission
> fluid and acetone.*
> *Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this  
> one
> particular test. Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about
> as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. *
> **
> *Your experience may vary, etc., etc.*
>
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Apr  8 10:59:02 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:59:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
In-Reply-To: <466577.92689.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <466577.92689.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <28134896-946D-4025-9E18-4450287D81C2@me.com>

June 18, 19 and 20 and Oct 15, 16 and 17.
	Dave
On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Ron Frost wrote:

> Morning,
> What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
> Thanks
>  Ron Frost


From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Wed Apr  8 10:52:27 2009
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:52:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <FA701104-CD7F-42F5-8E7D-982FFF985A68@me.com>
References: <84BC69E92F6348F385F23AA3A4D2514C@tommyd0x52gkco>	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A7DADA7@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<FA701104-CD7F-42F5-8E7D-982FFF985A68@me.com>
Message-ID: <49DCE45B.6080201@accnorwalk.com>



David Rotigel wrote:
> PS, Do you know where I can buy some of that None stuff?
>   
Hey Dave, I've got a bunch of that! Send me 20.00 per case and I'll send 
you some. Doug T


From marinesurveys at msn.com  Wed Apr  8 11:04:15 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:04:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
In-Reply-To: <28134896-946D-4025-9E18-4450287D81C2@me.com>
References: <466577.92689.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<28134896-946D-4025-9E18-4450287D81C2@me.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W376D4DEEA179A441C8CF0BB4820@phx.gbl>


A question , where is CoolSprings located ?

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: rotigel at me.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:59:02 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> 
> June 18, 19 and 20 and Oct 15, 16 and 17.
> Dave
> On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Ron Frost wrote:
> 
> > Morning,
> > What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
> > Thanks
> > Ron Frost
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Apr  8 11:45:32 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:45:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <FA701104-CD7F-42F5-8E7D-982FFF985A68@me.com>
Message-ID: <6E8C03D36CC747E985E5AEF5998B6AC3@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Yes Dave, I would imagine the tests were done by either the Acetone or
ATF manufacturers.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David
Rotigel
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 1:48 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating Oils


Hi Tommy, Does this friend know the meaning of the word "subjective"  
as in "subjective test?"
	Dave
PS, Do you know where I can buy some of that None stuff?

On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Does it matter which type of ATF is used?  Type A or Type F?
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge 
> Tommy Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:28 AM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
>
> A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info below.  Quite
> interesting.
> Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY  USA
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break out

> torque on rusted nuts.  Significant results!  They are below, as 
> forwarded by an ex-student and professional machinist, Bud Baker. 
> *Don't forget the April 2007 "Machinist's Workshop" magazine
> comparison
> test.*
> **
> *They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants with
> the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a
> "scientifically rusted" environment.*
> **
>
> *Penetrating oil ..... Average load*
>
> None ..................... 516 pounds
> WD-40 .................. 238 pounds
> PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds
> Liquid Wrench ..... 127 pounds
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
> ATF-Acetone mix....53 pounds
>
> *The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic 
> transmission fluid and acetone.*
> *Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this  
> one
> particular test. Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about
> as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. *
> **
> *Your experience may vary, etc., etc.*
>
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Apr  8 11:47:46 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:47:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil
In-Reply-To: <123372849783277176590727368666068282665-Webmail@me.com>
Message-ID: <953E42FE9A64457FBDEA99B31D8A9D1E@tommydk7hxjr4h>

John,
	Some plastics are OK.  My wife's fingernail polish remover is
something like 90% acetone and it comes in a plastic bottle.  Not sure
what type plastic is OK though to use.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Neth
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 1:35 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penitrating oil


Acetone is an organic solvent.  The primary ingredient in fingernail
polish remover.  It will dissolve super-glue.  It is very useful but be
careful.  Use glass or metal containers as it will dissolve many
plastics, paints etc.  Put a drop on a styrofoam cup and watch what
happens....

John

John W. Neth III


Johnson City, TN  37601





 
On Wednesday, April 08, 2009, at 11:57AM, "Jim O'Hagan"
<jdohagan at comcast.net> wrote:
>George, I just got off the phone with a tranny shop.He says that it 
>doesn't make any difference, they are both high detergents. The 
>difference is the compatibility with the clutch linings. I'm curious 
>about Acetone and engine finishes. What is acetone? Jimmy O'Hagan,415 
>892 0236
>
> 
>
>Jim O'Hagan
>
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  8 11:51:52 2009
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:51:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
Message-ID: <453912.56663.qm@web110215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks



?Ron Frost
??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
?
Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 1:59 PM


June 18, 19 and 20 and Oct 15, 16 and 17.
??? Dave
On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Ron Frost wrote:

> Morning,
> What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
> Thanks
>? Ron Frost
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  8 11:47:06 2009
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:47:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
Message-ID: <824054.86254.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

About a hundred miles east of the PA Ohio border into Pennsylvania on I-80 and about 20 miles south of I-80. Small town and show grounds.



?Ron Frost
??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
?
Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:


From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 2:04 PM



A question , where is CoolSprings located ?

? ? ? ? Franklin S. Skinner 
? ? Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
? ? ???34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470




> From: rotigel at me.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:59:02 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> 
> June 18, 19 and 20 and Oct 15, 16 and 17.
> Dave
> On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Ron Frost wrote:
> 
> > Morning,
> > What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
> > Thanks
> > Ron Frost
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  8 12:16:26 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:16:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
In-Reply-To: <824054.86254.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <824054.86254.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W9DB2F8F6C08486E47700595820@phx.gbl>


Don't use Google maps either, they show it 60 miles nw of the actual site.   Steve
 
> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:47:06 -0700
> From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> 
> About a hundred miles east of the PA Ohio border into Pennsylvania on I-80 and about 20 miles south of I-80. Small town and show grounds.
> 
> 
> 
>  Ron Frost
>   http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
>  
> Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise
> 
> --- On Wed, 4/8/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 2:04 PM
> 
> 
> 
> A question , where is CoolSprings located ?
> 
>         Franklin S. Skinner 
>     Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
>        34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: rotigel at me.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:59:02 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> > 
> > June 18, 19 and 20 and Oct 15, 16 and 17.
> > Dave
> > On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Ron Frost wrote:
> > 
> > > Morning,
> > > What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
> > > Thanks
> > > Ron Frost
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Apr  8 12:45:23 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:45:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W9DB2F8F6C08486E47700595820@phx.gbl>
References: <824054.86254.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<COL112-W9DB2F8F6C08486E47700595820@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A7DB541@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

That's because there are 2 Coolspring's.  You just picked the wrong one.

In Streets & Trips you pick the one in Jefferson county.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Royster
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:16 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)


Don't use Google maps either, they show it 60 miles nw of the actual
site.   Steve
 
> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:47:06 -0700
> From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> 
> About a hundred miles east of the PA Ohio border into Pennsylvania on
I-80 and about 20 miles south of I-80. Small town and show grounds.
> 
> 
> 
>  Ron Frost
>   http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
>  
> Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise
> 
> --- On Wed, 4/8/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 2:04 PM
> 
> 
> 
> A question , where is CoolSprings located ?
> 
>         Franklin S. Skinner 
>     Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
>        34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: rotigel at me.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:59:02 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> > 
> > June 18, 19 and 20 and Oct 15, 16 and 17.
> > Dave
> > On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Ron Frost wrote:
> > 
> > > Morning,
> > > What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
> > > Thanks
> > > Ron Frost
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  8 13:00:48 2009
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:00:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
Message-ID: <708720.40225.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

It's the one in Jeferson County. There are a couple more Coolspring's in Pennsylvania . Probably Google is picking up the wrong one
It's south of Brookville and just southwest of DuBois



?Ron Frost
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?
Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 3:16 PM



Don't use Google maps either, they show it 60 miles nw of the actual site.???Steve

> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:47:06 -0700
> From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> 
> About a hundred miles east of the PA Ohio border into Pennsylvania on I-80 and about 20 miles south of I-80. Small town and show grounds.
> 
> 
> 
>? Ron Frost
>???http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
>? 
> Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise
> 
> --- On Wed, 4/8/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 2:04 PM
> 
> 
> 
> A question , where is CoolSprings located ?
> 
>? ? ? ???Franklin S. Skinner 
>? ???Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
>? ? ? ? 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: rotigel at me.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:59:02 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> > 
> > June 18, 19 and 20 and Oct 15, 16 and 17.
> > Dave
> > On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Ron Frost wrote:
> > 
> > > Morning,
> > > What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
> > > Thanks
> > > Ron Frost
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From james.kangas at timken.com  Wed Apr  8 13:42:43 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 16:42:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
References: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
	<C709B960B12443F891736521DD5F1A70@JamesDesktop>
Message-ID: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06030@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>

Is the Acetone being used to thin out the transmission fluid? This thread reminded me of working in a tractor shop in the '70's.Automatic transmission fluid was the standard trick to un-seize an engine.If that didn't work we used CRC.Between the two we always got the engine free.
 
Jim, also in Vermont

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Jim Hardman
Sent: Wed 4/8/2009 1:19 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating oil




Jim,

Acetone is a solvent used in the formulation of nail polish, nail polish
remover and many lacquers.  It is totally soluble in water and when mixed
with other solvents has the ability to soften some paint finishes.  Used
alone, acetone is used to clean and degrease metal surfaces;  coin
collectors use acetone to remove fingerprints.

It evaporates very quickly;  short exposure to engine paint, particularly
paint which has hardened with heat over time, should not be a problem.
Early auto finishes, lacquer finishes, are more in jeopardy.  But you can
generally clean engine enamel with a quick wipe with acetone to remove
greasy film and help promote adhesion of new paint.

Toluene or Xylene would probably be better for cutting dried grease and oil
film.  For loosening dried and hardened oil residues, acetone would not be
first choice.  But it apparently acts as a carrier for transmission fluid,
encouraging and promoting deep penetration.  This application as a rust
penetrant gets my attention.

I am disappointed that Gibbs penetrant was not included in these tests.
Gibbs is, to me, the best rust cutter I have tried.  I had soaked parts of a
steam engine in Kroil and WD-40 for a couple weeks with no progress.  Ten
miniutes with Gibbs and the rust melted away, the bolts were free with
minimal torque.

Jim in Vermont.  Where snow is still falling.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 11:57 AM
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil


> George, I just got off the phone with a tranny shop.He says that it
> doesn't
> make any difference, they are both high detergents. The difference is the
> compatibility with the clutch linings. I'm curious about Acetone and
> engine
> finishes. What is acetone? Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236
>
>
>
> Jim O'Hagan
>
>
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Apr  8 14:53:31 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 16:53:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <84BC69E92F6348F385F23AA3A4D2514C@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEBEIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tommy:

Why don't you whip-up a batch of the stuff and give it a shot then report back here on the results.

As for me, unless it's something I can't get replacement fasteners for, I simply use the gorilla approach along with heat, a hammer and a generous helping of blue language.  If I break the sucker, it deserved it's fate!
 
Take care - Elden DuRand
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Judge Tommy
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 08:28 AM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
> 
> 
> A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info 
> below.  Quite interesting.
> Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY  USA
>  
>  
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested 
> penetrants for break out
> torque on rusted nuts. 




From rolfb at accima.com  Wed Apr  8 14:00:40 2009
From: rolfb at accima.com (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:00:40 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06030@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
References: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>	<C709B960B12443F891736521DD5F1A70@JamesDesktop>
	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06030@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
Message-ID: <49DD1078.6060008@accima.com>

Jim - Thanks for the heads up hint about using transmission fluid to 
un-seize engines.   I'm new and learning.  But what is CRC?

Regards,

Bob R
Moses Lake, WA

Kangas, James G. wrote:
> Is the Acetone being used to thin out the transmission fluid? This thread reminded me of working in a tractor shop in the '70's.Automatic transmission fluid was the standard trick to un-seize an engine.If that didn't work we used CRC.Between the two we always got the engine free.
>  
> Jim, also in Vermont
>
>   
>   


From rotigel at me.com  Wed Apr  8 14:22:39 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:22:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A7DB541@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <824054.86254.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<COL112-W9DB2F8F6C08486E47700595820@phx.gbl>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A7DB541@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <9B920DE2-43CF-41D3-AC0B-D287C506538A@me.com>

Perhaps the problem is that there is NO "S" on the name of the place  
at which the engine show takes place! It's COOLSPRING!
	Dave
PS, You will have the same problem if you try to get directions to  
Pittsburgh by typing "Philadelphia" into mapquest!
PPS, Books, school, EAT!
PPPS, See p. 14 of the SHOW DIRECTORY!
On Apr 8, 2009, at 3:45 PM, Best, George wrote:

> That's because there are 2 Coolspring's.  You just picked the wrong  
> one.
>
> In Streets & Trips you pick the one in Jefferson county.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve
> Royster
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:16 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
>
>
> Don't use Google maps either, they show it 60 miles nw of the actual
> site.   Steve
>
>> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:47:06 -0700
>> From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
>>
>> About a hundred miles east of the PA Ohio border into Pennsylvania on
> I-80 and about 20 miles south of I-80. Small town and show grounds.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron Frost
>>  http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
>>
>> Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise
>>
>> --- On Wed, 4/8/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 2:04 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> A question , where is CoolSprings located ?
>>
>>        Franklin S. Skinner
>>    Marine Surveyor & Consultant
>> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409
>>       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West
>> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: rotigel at me.com
>>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:59:02 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
>>>
>>> June 18, 19 and 20 and Oct 15, 16 and 17.
>>> Dave
>>> On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Ron Frost wrote:
>>>
>>>> Morning,
>>>> What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Ron Frost
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Apr  8 14:14:08 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:14:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEBEIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <37549DB0A67242059C301CB9CCC97BF0@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Might give it a shot Elden.  I've got plenty of rusted stuff to try it
on!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Elden
DuRand
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:54 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating Oils


Tommy:

Why don't you whip-up a batch of the stuff and give it a shot then
report back here on the results.

As for me, unless it's something I can't get replacement fasteners for,
I simply use the gorilla approach along with heat, a hammer and a
generous helping of blue language.  If I break the sucker, it deserved
it's fate!
 
Take care - Elden DuRand
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 



From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Wed Apr  8 14:16:44 2009
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:16:44 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEBEIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <8E7009F6620646B38B8649235FBB5C1B@Edd>

The same approach works well for me to.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating Oils


> Tommy:
>
> Why don't you whip-up a batch of the stuff and give it a shot then report 
> back here on the results.
>
> As for me, unless it's something I can't get replacement fasteners for, I 
> simply use the gorilla approach along with heat, a hammer and a generous 
> helping of blue language.  If I break the sucker, it deserved it's fate!
>
> Take care - Elden DuRand
> edurand at mchsi.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of Judge Tommy
>> Turner
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 08:28 AM
>> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
>> Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
>>
>>
>> A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info
>> below.  Quite interesting.
>> Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY  USA
>>
>>
>> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested
>> penetrants for break out
>> torque on rusted nuts.
>
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  8 14:39:44 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:39:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil
Message-ID: <168293.60639.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

$16.99 USD per gallon at Ace Hardware.
?
I just happened to notice that price last Thursday because at work we go through it 
by the 55 gallon drum.? 
That same day I had?asked if I could have a little for cleaning at home and the 
boss gave me a full gallon jug of Acetone.
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Jim O'Hagan <jdohagan at comcast.net> wrote:

SNIP

?What is acetone? Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236



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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Apr  8 14:42:34 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:42:34 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <49DD1078.6060008@accima.com>
References: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>	<C709B960B12443F891736521DD5F1A70@JamesDesktop><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06030@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<49DD1078.6060008@accima.com>
Message-ID: <71BE70DF807A4C1C9023113C92072C8F@KerryPC>

Bob

The CRC I have used is like WD40, comes in a spray can and has a electrical 
type (displace moisture) and a mechanical type.

Kerry

Lithgow NSW Oz


 > But what is CRC? 



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Apr  8 14:50:28 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:50:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
References: <824054.86254.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<COL112-W9DB2F8F6C08486E47700595820@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004e01c9b894$07ec5850$66674b47@mikecomp>

That sounds like experience to me!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)



Don't use Google maps either, they show it 60 miles nw of the actual site. 
Steve

> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:47:06 -0700
> From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
>
> About a hundred miles east of the PA Ohio border into Pennsylvania on I-80 
> and about 20 miles south of I-80. Small town and show grounds.
>
>
>
>  Ron Frost
>   http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
>
> Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise
>
> --- On Wed, 4/8/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 2:04 PM
>
>
>
> A question , where is CoolSprings located ?
>
>         Franklin S. Skinner
>     Marine Surveyor & Consultant
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409
>        34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
>
>
>
>
> > From: rotigel at me.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:59:02 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
> >
> > June 18, 19 and 20 and Oct 15, 16 and 17.
> > Dave
> > On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Ron Frost wrote:
> >
> > > Morning,
> > > What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
> > > Thanks
> > > Ron Frost
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Apr  8 14:54:55 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:54:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
References: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>	<C709B960B12443F891736521DD5F1A70@JamesDesktop><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06030@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<49DD1078.6060008@accima.com>
Message-ID: <007c01c9b894$a73ea160$66674b47@mikecomp>

CRC  is a penetrant/lubricant we have used for years.  Good stuff.

Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob W7AVK" <rolfb at accima.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating oil


> Jim - Thanks for the heads up hint about using transmission fluid to
> un-seize engines.   I'm new and learning.  But what is CRC?
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob R
> Moses Lake, WA
>
> Kangas, James G. wrote:
>> Is the Acetone being used to thin out the transmission fluid? This thread 
>> reminded me of working in a tractor shop in the '70's.Automatic 
>> transmission fluid was the standard trick to un-seize an engine.If that 
>> didn't work we used CRC.Between the two we always got the engine free.
>>
>> Jim, also in Vermont
>>
>>
>>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Apr  8 14:55:16 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:55:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil and CRC
References: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>	<C709B960B12443F891736521DD5F1A70@JamesDesktop><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06030@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<49DD1078.6060008@accima.com>
Message-ID: <60F22735B7EF4AEB8C1D7EED3E19BE15@peterlowe>

Here is a CRC Link

http://www.crcindustries.com/crcwebmain/

Peter, Oz





> Jim - Thanks for the heads up hint about using transmission fluid to
> un-seize engines.   I'm new and learning.  But what is CRC?
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob R
> Moses Lake, WA
>
> Kangas, James G. wrote:
>> Is the Acetone being used to thin out the transmission fluid? This thread 
>> reminded me of working in a tractor shop in the '70's.Automatic 
>> transmission fluid was the standard trick to un-seize an engine.If that 
>> didn't work we used CRC.Between the two we always got the engine free.
>>
>> Jim, also in Vermont
>>
>>
>>
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Apr  8 15:19:07 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 18:19:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
In-Reply-To: <004e01c9b894$07ec5850$66674b47@mikecomp>
References: <824054.86254.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<COL112-W9DB2F8F6C08486E47700595820@phx.gbl>
	<004e01c9b894$07ec5850$66674b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <F153C7F7-180E-4627-8960-246638C93823@me.com>

You have to give him credit Steve. He sat there for three days TRYING  
to get those two engines of his running and wondering where in the  
hell everyone else was!
	Dave

On Apr 8, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Mike Royster wrote:

> That sounds like experience to me!!!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
>
>
>
> Don't use Google maps either, they show it 60 miles nw of the actual  
> site.
> Steve
>
>> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:47:06 -0700
>> From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
>>
>> About a hundred miles east of the PA Ohio border into Pennsylvania  
>> on I-80
>> and about 20 miles south of I-80. Small town and show grounds.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron Frost
>>  http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
>>
>> Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise
>>
>> --- On Wed, 4/8/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 2:04 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> A question , where is CoolSprings located ?
>>
>>        Franklin S. Skinner
>>    Marine Surveyor & Consultant
>> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409
>>       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West
>> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: rotigel at me.com
>>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:59:02 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
>>>
>>> June 18, 19 and 20 and Oct 15, 16 and 17.
>>> Dave
>>> On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Ron Frost wrote:
>>>
>>>> Morning,
>>>> What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Ron Frost
>>> _______________________________________________
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From james.kangas at timken.com  Wed Apr  8 15:01:01 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 18:01:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
References: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>	<C709B960B12443F891736521DD5F1A70@JamesDesktop>
	<CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06030@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<49DD1078.6060008@accima.com>
Message-ID: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06031@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>

CRC 3-36 predated WD-40 but was a similar product.Liquid wrench is the only other product from that time that I recall being available,but the CRC seemed to work better.We got the CRC in 5 gal. buckets
     Jim

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Bob W7AVK
Sent: Wed 4/8/2009 5:00 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating oil



Jim - Thanks for the heads up hint about using transmission fluid to
un-seize engines.   I'm new and learning.  But what is CRC?

Regards,

Bob R
Moses Lake, WA

Kangas, James G. wrote:
> Is the Acetone being used to thin out the transmission fluid? This thread reminded me of working in a tractor shop in the '70's.Automatic transmission fluid was the standard trick to un-seize an engine.If that didn't work we used CRC.Between the two we always got the engine free.
> 
> Jim, also in Vermont
>
>  
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Apr  8 15:36:18 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 08:36:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Aussie National Rally
Message-ID: <20090408223615.01E2B1981B6@gex-cn01.ncable.net.au>

G'day all, only because it has not been mentioned here but last 
weekend was the National Rally here in OZ. It was held at Murray 
Bridge which was great for us as it was only a four hour drive 
away.  I took my completed Campbell engine which run very well all 
weekend. It also now has a new mechanical oiler fitted thanks to Tim 
Macaire from the UK. I have been in contact with Tim for some time 
after meeting him when he lived in Adelaide for 12 months. Tim 
arrived early on the Friday morning and we bolted it to the engine 
before starting it up.

The rally was great. As always we can pick a few things out that 
could have been done better but over all a fantastic rally. HEAPS of 
really good engines on display. Collectively perhaps the best I've 
seen. Was well worth the trip

Russell

PS: Tommy I now have some video of my engine. I will see if I can get 
some of it on youtube. If my dumb ass can't do it then I will see if 
Patrick can stick it on there.



From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Apr  8 16:01:43 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 09:01:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Portland in August
Message-ID: <20090408230139.E83013B4212@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>

Look out you guys, We have bought tickets to the US and will be at 
Baraboo and Portland this year. Pretty exciting stuff for us.Will be 
doing about a ten day drive from Chicago to Niagra Falls and back to 
Baraboo. Welcome for hints of what not to miss.  If you want to post 
direct: russell at ncable.com.au A few nights in NY and then 5 nights LA

Looking forward to meeting up with you many fellow list members.
Russell  



From enginman1 at verizon.net  Wed Apr  8 16:43:45 2009
From: enginman1 at verizon.net (Jeff Parks)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:43:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland in August
References: <20090408230139.E83013B4212@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <96E2E38D0EC34ADEADBE63C672972748@JREnterprizes1>

Russell,

If your coming to Niagara Falls you might think of stopping 
by our place. Only a 1/2 hr. drive from the falls. Let me know
if you have the time.

Jeff Parks
enginman1 at verizon.net
www.parksmotors.net





> Look out you guys, We have bought tickets to the US and will be at 
> Baraboo and Portland this year. Pretty exciting stuff for us.Will be 
> doing about a ten day drive from Chicago to Niagra Falls and back to 
> Baraboo. Welcome for hints of what not to miss.  If you want to post 
> direct: russell at ncable.com.au A few nights in NY and then 5 nights LA
> 
> Looking forward to meeting up with you many fellow list members.
> Russell  
> 



From marinesurveys at msn.com  Wed Apr  8 16:47:06 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 19:47:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil and CRC
In-Reply-To: <60F22735B7EF4AEB8C1D7EED3E19BE15@peterlowe>
References: <20090408155738.1B00B44483D@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
	<C709B960B12443F891736521DD5F1A70@JamesDesktop><CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06030@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>
	<49DD1078.6060008@accima.com>
	<60F22735B7EF4AEB8C1D7EED3E19BE15@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <COL106-W51830B82EA06A00CF2BAE8B4820@phx.gbl>


Kinda close on this thread {sorta} for those of you that want to lay up

a non-rusted part for a while, I use a product called "LPS-3" it's like 

Cosmoline in a rattle can { waxy } spray the part { Including machined things

precision tools etc.} wrap in cheese cloth, spray again & wrap in thick brown paper

& tape up well, the parts will remain in like new condition.

 

Remember as rust matures it becomes old engines 

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: plowe at exemail.com.au
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:55:16 +1000
> Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil and CRC
> 
> Here is a CRC Link
> 
> http://www.crcindustries.com/crcwebmain/
> 
> Peter, Oz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Jim - Thanks for the heads up hint about using transmission fluid to
> > un-seize engines. I'm new and learning. But what is CRC?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bob R
> > Moses Lake, WA
> >
> > Kangas, James G. wrote:
> >> Is the Acetone being used to thin out the transmission fluid? This thread 
> >> reminded me of working in a tractor shop in the '70's.Automatic 
> >> transmission fluid was the standard trick to un-seize an engine.If that 
> >> didn't work we used CRC.Between the two we always got the engine free.
> >>
> >> Jim, also in Vermont
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Apr  8 17:09:38 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 20:09:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland in August
References: <20090408230139.E83013B4212@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <000601c9b8a7$794b0a60$66674b47@mikecomp>

Hey, Steve and I are a mere 700 miles or 12 hours away from Niagra Falls, 
swing on down and make a big loop!

Mike & Steve Royster (the twins)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:01 PM
Subject: [SEL] Portland in August


> Look out you guys, We have bought tickets to the US and will be at
> Baraboo and Portland this year. Pretty exciting stuff for us.Will be
> doing about a ten day drive from Chicago to Niagra Falls and back to
> Baraboo. Welcome for hints of what not to miss.  If you want to post
> direct: russell at ncable.com.au A few nights in NY and then 5 nights LA
>
> Looking forward to meeting up with you many fellow list members.
> Russell
>
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Thu Apr  9 04:23:38 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:23:38 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Portland in August
In-Reply-To: <20090408230139.E83013B4212@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>
References: <20090408230139.E83013B4212@gex-cn04.ncable.net.au>
Message-ID: <BLU135-W3B124DA0871C0A1E9F2D7C8830@phx.gbl>


Hi Russell,

 

If your going to Niagara Falls there is a better view of the falls and more action on the Canada side. Just to the north of the falls (a few minutes drive) is a spot called Whirlpool rapids. That is interesting to see. Depending on what your in to, just north of the Whirlpool rapids ( a few more minutes ) is the botanical gardens. My family spent a couple hours walking around the gardens and it was very beautiful. Not sure what will be blooming in August though.

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 

=============================
 
> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:01:43 +1000
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> From: russell at ncable.com.au
> Subject: [SEL] Portland in August
> 
> Look out you guys, We have bought tickets to the US and will be at 
> Baraboo and Portland this year. Pretty exciting stuff for us.Will be 
> doing about a ten day drive from Chicago to Niagra Falls and back to 
> Baraboo. Welcome for hints of what not to miss. If you want to post 
> direct: russell at ncable.com.au A few nights in NY and then 5 nights LA
> 
> Looking forward to meeting up with you many fellow list members.
> Russell 
> 

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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Apr  9 05:37:51 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 22:37:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Web site scammer is at it again
Message-ID: <6CC4D16378904807BD49A651C7B41281@peterlowe>

Hi all
Beware those who own web sites, this scammer is at it again.
The advert he is refering to is from my R&V web site.
Never heard of a male whose name in Brain, bad spelling for Brian I would say.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm



----- Original Message ----- 
From: Brain William 
To: plowe at exemail.com.au 
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:53 PM
Subject: Wanted: Any parts to complete the restoration of my R&V "SR" series 2hp Triumph Line engine. Badly need a dry head, piston, conrod, governor gears and small parts


      Hello,

      Am Brain William i live in 121 Old Kent road, SE1 5AA London,UK,I saw your wanted Ads .If still interested,please email me for further transaction.
       
      Thanks,
      Brain 



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Apr  9 06:11:54 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:11:54 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1239206402.31229.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090409150645.018c6e88@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 08/04/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:28:18 -0400
>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
>
>A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info below.  Quite interesting.
>Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY  USA

Hi Tommy,
         Very interesting post - thanks for sending it.
         I've got an unopened bottle of ATF on my shelf and have not had an 
automatic for over 20 years - now I can use it!! Acetone in stock as well - 
used for cleaning up when using Polyester resin (fibre glass).

         A tip re. acetone - I also use it for thinning "Hammertone" paint 
- it makes it "hammer" much better than ordinary lacquer thinners.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Apr  9 06:54:48 2009
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 06:54:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Web site scammer is at it again
In-Reply-To: <6CC4D16378904807BD49A651C7B41281@peterlowe>
References: <6CC4D16378904807BD49A651C7B41281@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <4307.165.206.180.130.1239285288.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Uh, where's his partner, Pinky?

Bill

> Hi all
> Beware those who own web sites, this scammer is at it again.
> The advert he is refering to is from my R&V web site.
> Never heard of a male whose name in Brain, bad spelling for Brian I would
> say.
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brain William
> To: plowe at exemail.com.au
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:53 PM
> Subject: Wanted: Any parts to complete the restoration of my R&V "SR"
> series 2hp Triumph Line engine. Badly need a dry head, piston, conrod,
> governor gears and small parts
>
>
>       Hello,
>
>       Am Brain William i live in 121 Old Kent road, SE1 5AA London,UK,I
> saw your wanted Ads .If still interested,please email me for further
> transaction.
>
>       Thanks,
>       Brain
>
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  9 07:29:23 2009
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:29:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
Message-ID: <740442.88827.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Where can you get Acetone?



?Ron Frost
??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
?
Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise

--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:


From: Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 9:11 AM


At 06:00 PM 08/04/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:28:18 -0400
>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
>
>A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info below.? Quite interesting.
>Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY? USA

Hi Tommy,
? ? ? ???Very interesting post - thanks for sending it.
? ? ? ???I've got an unopened bottle of ATF on my shelf and have not had an 
automatic for over 20 years - now I can use it!! Acetone in stock as well - 
used for cleaning up when using Polyester resin (fibre glass).

? ? ? ???A tip re. acetone - I also use it for thinning "Hammertone" paint 
- it makes it "hammer" much better than ordinary lacquer thinners.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>



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From langer5 at sympatico.ca  Thu Apr  9 08:28:49 2009
From: langer5 at sympatico.ca (Larry Anger)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:28:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
References: <740442.88827.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP916B2E315DE59FC086E90597830@phx.gbl>

In Canada you can get Acetone in hardware stores in the paint dept.

Larry Anger
163926 Brownsville Rd.
R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario
Canada N4G 4G8
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Frost" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating Oils


Where can you get Acetone?



Ron Frost
http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos

Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise

--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:


From: Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 9:11 AM


At 06:00 PM 08/04/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:28:18 -0400
>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
>
>A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info below. Quite interesting.
>Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY USA

Hi Tommy,
Very interesting post - thanks for sending it.
I've got an unopened bottle of ATF on my shelf and have not had an
automatic for over 20 years - now I can use it!! Acetone in stock as well -
used for cleaning up when using Polyester resin (fibre glass).

A tip re. acetone - I also use it for thinning "Hammertone" paint
- it makes it "hammer" much better than ordinary lacquer thinners.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>



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From james.kangas at timken.com  Thu Apr  9 13:13:21 2009
From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:13:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Web site scammer is at it again
References: <6CC4D16378904807BD49A651C7B41281@peterlowe>
	<4307.165.206.180.130.1239285288.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <CFB48EA30C116140A2D2AB52FA2A1ECDC06032@lebhexbe01.corp.timken.com>

I wonder how Pinky and the Brain will take over the world using old engine parts?
   Jim K.

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of bill at antique-engines.com
Sent: Thu 4/9/2009 9:54 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Web site scammer is at it again



Uh, where's his partner, Pinky?

Bill

> Hi all
> Beware those who own web sites, this scammer is at it again.
> The advert he is refering to is from my R&V web site.
> Never heard of a male whose name in Brain, bad spelling for Brian I would
> say.
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brain William
> To: plowe at exemail.com.au
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:53 PM
> Subject: Wanted: Any parts to complete the restoration of my R&V "SR"
> series 2hp Triumph Line engine. Badly need a dry head, piston, conrod,
> governor gears and small parts
>
>
>       Hello,
>
>       Am Brain William i live in 121 Old Kent road, SE1 5AA London,UK,I
> saw your wanted Ads .If still interested,please email me for further
> transaction.
>
>       Thanks,
>       Brain
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Apr  9 13:16:54 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 22:16:54 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 61, Issue 9
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At 06:00 PM 09/04/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:35:00 -0400
>From: John Neth <jneth3 at mac.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Penitrating oil
>
>Acetone is an organic solvent.  The primary ingredient in fingernail 
>polish remover.  It will dissolve super-glue.  It is very useful but be 
>careful.  Use glass or metal containers as it will dissolve many plastics, 
>paints etc.  Put a drop on a styrofoam cup and watch what happens....
>John
>John W. Neth III

Hi John,
          That's not a good comparison. Put a "drop" of gas or pretty much 
any "petro chemical" product "styrofoam" and the result will be the same. 
"Styrofoam" (expanded polystyrene - pst) is very unstable and pretty much 
any solvent will destroy it.
         One of it's uses is when casting concrete that needs a "cavity". 
The "cavity" is made by inserting a "styrofoam" block of the correct shape 
- once the concrete has dried all that needs to be done is to throw some 
petrol (gas) onto the styrene and it dissolves.
         Just my cents worth.


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Apr  9 13:32:06 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 22:32:06 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1239292802.1753.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 09/04/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 9
>Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:47:46 -0400
>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Penitrating oil
>
>John,
>         Some plastics are OK.  My wife's fingernail polish remover is
>something like 90% acetone and it comes in a plastic bottle.  Not sure
>what type plastic is OK though to use.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY

Hi Tommy,
         Commercial "Nail Polish Remover" has oils and perfumes added to 
not damage your wifes beautiful skin and to allow for the manufacturers to 
increase the price by many 1000's of times.

         Much like the original post that you sent proves that, the price 
you pay bears no resemblance to the actual cost of most commercially 
packaged "Penetrating oils".

         I have "Acetone" in stock and it is not expensive - it's just 
another solvent. If I could figure out how to sell the stuff as a nail 
polish remover (without the advertising and packaging costs) I'd get rich 
very quickly.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Apr  9 13:39:43 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 22:39:43 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil/P.S>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090409223237.018da1e8@mail.atech.co.za>

P.S. To my original post - I buy Acetone in 25 Litre plastic drums and they 
are made of "High Density Polyethylene" but low density polyethylene or 
polypropylene drums would work just as well.  (P.V.C (polyvinylchloride) 
would not be good)!
Jerry
*************
Hi Tommy,
         Commercial "Nail Polish Remover" has oils and perfumes added to 
not damage your wifes beautiful skin and to allow for the manufacturers to 
increase the price by many 1000's of times.

         Much like the original post that you sent proves that, the price 
you pay bears no resemblance to the actual cost of most commercially 
packaged "Penetrating oils".

         I have "Acetone" in stock and it is not expensive - it's just 
another solvent. If I could figure out how to sell the stuff as a nail 
polish remover (without the advertising and packaging costs) I'd get rich 
very quickly.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From marinesurveys at msn.com  Thu Apr  9 13:44:01 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:44:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <mailman.1.1239292802.1753.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <COL106-W14B0B94F61B01EFD79104FB4830@phx.gbl>


For the Acetone mix, seems like one could try a Whiskey, Plastic bottle

{ Whiskey of choice of course, after you empty it} 

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 22:32:06 +0200
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> From: jerrye at databak.co.za
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Penitrating oil
> 
> At 06:00 PM 09/04/2009, you wrote:
> >Message: 9
> >Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:47:46 -0400
> >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] Penitrating oil
> >
> >John,
> > Some plastics are OK. My wife's fingernail polish remover is
> >something like 90% acetone and it comes in a plastic bottle. Not sure
> >what type plastic is OK though to use.
> >
> >Tommy Turner
> >Magnolia, KY
> 
> Hi Tommy,
> Commercial "Nail Polish Remover" has oils and perfumes added to 
> not damage your wifes beautiful skin and to allow for the manufacturers to 
> increase the price by many 1000's of times.
> 
> Much like the original post that you sent proves that, the price 
> you pay bears no resemblance to the actual cost of most commercially 
> packaged "Penetrating oils".
> 
> I have "Acetone" in stock and it is not expensive - it's just 
> another solvent. If I could figure out how to sell the stuff as a nail 
> polish remover (without the advertising and packaging costs) I'd get rich 
> very quickly.
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Apr  9 15:21:58 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 18:21:58 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Portland in August
Message-ID: <bed.3b08eb3d.370fcf06@aol.com>

I agree with Luke, Stay on the Canadian side.  Motels up on the  hill.  Ask 
to look at the rooms before you rent.  Motel we stayed in  had panoramic 
windows overlooking both Canadian and American falls. Colored  night lights are 
beautiful.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

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From sumron at optusnet.com.au  Thu Apr  9 16:02:13 2009
From: sumron at optusnet.com.au (John & Norma Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:02:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Inter "M"  10hp fuel tank
Message-ID: <C70F2D079DC84A8F9B3C194EC5A81767@gilbert0cd4c7f>

Hi all there on the List,  I am after the dimensions of the 10hp Inter "M" fuel tank.  I believe they are a bit different to the  smaller models of which I do have  old originals. The owner , restorer of the engine in question does not have an old tank at all for me to copy. If you live in Oz and have an old tank you no longer use a loan of it would be appreciated.  cheers ,  John Gilbert in oz  




John Gilbert
RSD Block 69 River Ave
Merbein, Vic 3505  
Australia
http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x279/john_the_tankman/
ph 03-50253372
Willow Norma: http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss194/willownorma/Showcase/

From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Apr  9 17:14:04 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:14:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <mailman.1.1239292802.1753.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <20090410001405.D60083E4734@mail05.wcoil.com>

Since acetone is so harsh on paint and we would not want to use the 
ATF-Acetone combination on an engine with original paint we may be 
trying to preserve,  I wonder if we substituted Naptha or lighter 
fluid for the Acetone if that would affect the penetrating rust 
breaking characteristics. It would still thin it down. The ATF would 
still have its natural tendencies to creep.  And the Naptha would 
eventually evaporate for the most part like the acetone, just not as 
quickly. And leave most paints largely unmolested.    Mark


Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site   www.Maytagclub.com 



From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Thu Apr  9 17:56:38 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 20:56:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)
References: <466577.92689.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<28134896-946D-4025-9E18-4450287D81C2@me.com>
Message-ID: <010201c9b977$343b2d30$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

Dave,

Save a spot for me in the SEL area on Thursday at least.  I plan to bring 
out a couple of piston rings from the Weirton blooming mill engine for 
display.  One is 43" and the other is 66" dia. I'm building a stand for them 
now.  When your piston rings are bigger than most people's flywheels you 
have some serious iron!

I've also finally written a book about the history and preservation of the 
Tod Engine and I'll have a bunch of copies with me to sell.  Its about 100 
pages and is full of photos of the dismantling, moving and reassembly of the 
engine.  Anyone not going to Coolspring and wishing to purchase a copy 
online can get one at www.todengine.org/todbook

I can also pick up the babbit then as well.

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Foundation
"Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-272-4089
www.todengine.org

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Show date (Coolspring)


> June 18, 19 and 20 and Oct 15, 16 and 17.
> Dave
> On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Ron Frost wrote:
>
>> Morning,
>> What are the dates for the Cool Springs show this year ?
>> Thanks
>>  Ron Frost
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From gastzt at aol.com  Thu Apr  9 17:57:15 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 20:57:15 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Penitrating oil
Message-ID: <cb7.4d745166.370ff36b@aol.com>

Hello Mark
 Stan here, Pleasanton, Texas----I did use your method a  couple of 
times---last time on a Model-A Ford engine---was stuck BAD,  I  let it soak for a 
week andWOW it worked very good---GOOD advice--(also it worked  great on a 
8HP Stover piston)
  Stan Zettner
  Pleasanton, Texas
**************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store?  Make dinner for $10 
or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)


From kimmell at verizon.net  Fri Apr 10 17:12:39 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:12:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <20090410001405.D60083E4734@mail05.wcoil.com>
References: <mailman.1.1239292802.1753.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za>
	<20090410001405.D60083E4734@mail05.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <0KHW009MCTXC7FB3@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net>

Mark,
I think naphtha would probably eat the paint too.  I think lighter 
fluid or kerosene would be a good alternative.

I've used ATF and diesel fuel as a penetrant before.  Had an old 
two-stroke Detroit Diesel that had been sitting for years with the 
piston ports uncovered and it froze up tight.  I filled the cylinders 
with the diesel ATF mix and let it sit for about a week.  Put a big 
breaker bar on the crank and she popped loose with a little effort.

-Tony



At 07:14 PM 4/9/2009, you wrote:
>Since acetone is so harsh on paint and we would not want to use the
>ATF-Acetone combination on an engine with original paint we may be
>trying to preserve,  I wonder if we substituted Naptha or lighter
>fluid for the Acetone if that would affect the penetrating rust
>breaking characteristics. It would still thin it down. The ATF would
>still have its natural tendencies to creep.  And the Naptha would
>eventually evaporate for the most part like the acetone, just not as
>quickly. And leave most paints largely unmolested.    Mark




From rotigel at me.com  Fri Apr 10 19:21:07 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:21:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  Show date (Coolspring)
In-Reply-To: <010201c9b977$343b2d30$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <466577.92689.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<28134896-946D-4025-9E18-4450287D81C2@me.com>
	<010201c9b977$343b2d30$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <A8510192-F10A-4595-BC56-D36BA0E063E3@me.com>

>   When your piston rings are bigger than most people's flywheels you
> have some serious iron!
> Rick Rowlands

While that is true, it's also true that most peoples engines run!
	Dave
PS, Your spot is saved!  See you there. 


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 10 19:52:00 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:52:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
Message-ID: <588125.6028.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks,
This would be a great year to try out the Buckley, MI show.
?
http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/
?
Buckley August 13 - 16.
Baraboo August 21 - 23
Portland August 26 - 30

From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Apr 10 20:40:05 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:40:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <0KHW009MCTXC7FB3@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <mailman.1.1239292802.1753.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za>
	<20090410001405.D60083E4734@mail05.wcoil.com>
	<0KHW009MCTXC7FB3@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20090411034003.E7AA03A837E@mail03.wcoil.com>

I do not think Naptha will eat the paint. Its used widely in the 
music industry for cleaning the grime off of guitars and other 
instruments because it will not damage the finish.  Widely used in 
the photography circles too for cleaning camera parts. Sold also as 
Goo Be Gone.
Naptha and lighter fluid is one and the same. Slightly different 
grades or volatilities of Naptha is available to suit whoever is 
packaging it to sell for lighter fluid. Ronson and Zippo and most 
generic Lighter fluid is 100% Naptha.  Same as with Varsol, there are 
different grades that evaporate faster or slower depending on the 
desired application.
  I agree diesel fuel might be another good ingrediant to mix 50-50 
with the ATF.  But the naptha will not have the strong odor like diesel.
Just be carefull using indoors due to fume build up potential and its 
volatility.   Mark

At 08:12 PM 4/10/2009, you wrote:
>Mark,
>I think naphtha would probably eat the paint too.  I think lighter
>fluid or kerosene would be a good alternative.
>
>I've used ATF and diesel fuel as a penetrant before.  Had an old
>two-stroke Detroit Diesel that had been sitting for years with the
>piston ports uncovered and it froze up tight.  I filled the cylinders
>with the diesel ATF mix and let it sit for about a week.  Put a big
>breaker bar on the crank and she popped loose with a little effort.
>
>-Tony
>
>
>
>At 07:14 PM 4/9/2009, you wrote:
> >Since acetone is so harsh on paint and we would not want to use the
> >ATF-Acetone combination on an engine with original paint we may be
> >trying to preserve,  I wonder if we substituted Naptha or lighter
> >fluid for the Acetone if that would affect the penetrating rust
> >breaking characteristics. It would still thin it down. The ATF would
> >still have its natural tendencies to creep.  And the Naptha would
> >eventually evaporate for the most part like the acetone, just not as
> >quickly. And leave most paints largely unmolested.    Mark
>
>
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454 Co. Rd. 33
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Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site   www.Maytagclub.com 



From marinesurveys at msn.com  Sat Apr 11 04:47:15 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:47:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] South Carolina Antique Engine & Tractor Show
In-Reply-To: <588125.6028.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <588125.6028.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W670F157C79D7BBF52A9DC0B4810@phx.gbl>


Greetings all

 

For those that may be interested & close enough to go, the 

Low Country Tractor and Engine Assoc. is holding their 8th annual

event next week end April 18th , 30 miles south of Charleston SC

The web site provides additional details @  http://lcatea.org/default.aspx

 

or feel free to contact me for further details, it has a lot of members

that are close friends & I will be there, the weather promises to be good.

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 




From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sat Apr 11 06:45:11 2009
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:45:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
References: <588125.6028.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003301c9baab$bca31c70$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Thx. Alan for promoting the Buckley Show.  George F. Armstrong
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:52 PM
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?


> Hi Folks,
> This would be a great year to try out the Buckley, MI show.
> 
> http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/
> 
> Buckley August 13 - 16.
> Baraboo August 21 - 23
> Portland August 26 - 30
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
>




From kimmell at verizon.net  Sat Apr 11 11:55:34 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:55:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <20090411034003.E7AA03A837E@mail03.wcoil.com>
References: <mailman.1.1239292802.1753.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za>
	<20090410001405.D60083E4734@mail05.wcoil.com>
	<0KHW009MCTXC7FB3@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net>
	<20090411034003.E7AA03A837E@mail03.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <0KHY003CZ9WVB16V@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>

I guess I'm thinking about something else.  When someone says 
"naptha" I immediately think of Coleman fuel.  Guess white gas and 
naptha are two different things.

-Tony


At 10:40 PM 4/10/2009, you wrote:
>I do not think Naptha will eat the paint. Its used widely in the
>music industry for cleaning the grime off of guitars and other
>instruments because it will not damage the finish.  Widely used in
>the photography circles too for cleaning camera parts. Sold also as
>Goo Be Gone.
>Naptha and lighter fluid is one and the same. Slightly different
>grades or volatilities of Naptha is available to suit whoever is
>packaging it to sell for lighter fluid. Ronson and Zippo and most
>generic Lighter fluid is 100% Naptha.  Same as with Varsol, there are
>different grades that evaporate faster or slower depending on the
>desired application.
>   I agree diesel fuel might be another good ingrediant to mix 50-50
>with the ATF.  But the naptha will not have the strong odor like diesel.
>Just be carefull using indoors due to fume build up potential and its
>volatility.   Mark




From skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com  Sat Apr 11 12:14:47 2009
From: skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com (SKIP CLEVELAND)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:14:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
References: <mailman.1.1239292802.1753.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com><5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za><20090410001405.D60083E4734@mail05.wcoil.com><0KHW009MCTXC7FB3@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net><20090411034003.E7AA03A837E@mail03.wcoil.com>
	<0KHY003CZ9WVB16V@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <9554675C8BFE4F55A2CDAE66FEE25949@YOURDA6F5028CB>

The can picture got there by accident.
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony & Jackie" <kimmell at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating oil


>I guess I'm thinking about something else.  When someone says 
> "naptha" I immediately think of Coleman fuel.  Guess white gas and 
> naptha are two different things.
> 
> -Tony
> 
> 
> At 10:40 PM 4/10/2009, you wrote:
>>I do not think Naptha will eat the paint. Its used widely in the
>>music industry for cleaning the grime off of guitars and other
>>instruments because it will not damage the finish.  Widely used in
>>the photography circles too for cleaning camera parts. Sold also as
>>Goo Be Gone.
>>Naptha and lighter fluid is one and the same. Slightly different
>>grades or volatilities of Naptha is available to suit whoever is
>>packaging it to sell for lighter fluid. Ronson and Zippo and most
>>generic Lighter fluid is 100% Naptha.  Same as with Varsol, there are
>>different grades that evaporate faster or slower depending on the
>>desired application.
>>   I agree diesel fuel might be another good ingrediant to mix 50-50
>>with the ATF.  But the naptha will not have the strong odor like diesel.
>>Just be carefull using indoors due to fume build up potential and its
>>volatility.   Mark
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From frappi at wcoil.com  Sat Apr 11 12:23:01 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:23:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <0KHY003CZ9WVB16V@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <mailman.1.1239292802.1753.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za>
	<20090410001405.D60083E4734@mail05.wcoil.com>
	<0KHW009MCTXC7FB3@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net>
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	<0KHY003CZ9WVB16V@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20090411192259.3CB231475C2@mail01.wcoil.com>

Yes they are different but not so much that you can't use Coleman 
fuel for lighter fluid in a pinch.      Mark


At 02:55 PM 4/11/2009, you wrote:
>I guess I'm thinking about something else.  When someone says
>"naptha" I immediately think of Coleman fuel.  Guess white gas and
>naptha are two different things.
>
>-Tony
>
>
>At 10:40 PM 4/10/2009, you wrote:
> >I do not think Naptha will eat the paint. Its used widely in the
> >music industry for cleaning the grime off of guitars and other
> >instruments because it will not damage the finish.  Widely used in
> >the photography circles too for cleaning camera parts. Sold also as
> >Goo Be Gone.
> >Naptha and lighter fluid is one and the same. Slightly different
> >grades or volatilities of Naptha is available to suit whoever is
> >packaging it to sell for lighter fluid. Ronson and Zippo and most
> >generic Lighter fluid is 100% Naptha.  Same as with Varsol, there are
> >different grades that evaporate faster or slower depending on the
> >desired application.
> >   I agree diesel fuel might be another good ingrediant to mix 50-50
> >with the ATF.  But the naptha will not have the strong odor like diesel.
> >Just be carefull using indoors due to fume build up potential and its
> >volatility.   Mark
>
>
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>04/11/09 10:51:00

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454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

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From rotigel at me.com  Sat Apr 11 13:56:03 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:56:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <588125.6028.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <588125.6028.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DA4EE2D3-9338-4464-B0C1-BD9011108068@me.com>

Hey Arnie, ROAD TRIP????????
	Dave

On Apr 10, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Alan wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> This would be a great year to try out the Buckley, MI show.
>
> http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/
>
> Buckley August 13 - 16.
> Baraboo August 21 - 23
> Portland August 26 - 30
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 11 13:48:02 2009
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:48:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
Message-ID: <76011.42647.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I bought a can of Asetone and a quart of ATF fluid and mixed up a little about 50/50. Took an old rusted 1/2 bolt and nut I had handy and run the nut on to the bolt about half the thickness of the nut. Then clamped it on a vice with the nut up. Then poured enough of the nixture unto the recess? till it was full. After a couple minutes I noticed a small eddy on top of the liquid and it seemed to continue until the mixture had worked it way down thru the threads. There must have been some sort of chemical reaction to cause the turbulance. 



?Ron Frost
??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
?
Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise

--- On Sat, 4/11/09, Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:


From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating oil
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 3:23 PM


Yes they are different but not so much that you can't use Coleman 
fuel for lighter fluid in a pinch.? ? ? Mark


At 02:55 PM 4/11/2009, you wrote:
>I guess I'm thinking about something else.? When someone says
>"naptha" I immediately think of Coleman fuel.? Guess white gas and
>naptha are two different things.
>
>-Tony
>
>
>At 10:40 PM 4/10/2009, you wrote:
> >I do not think Naptha will eat the paint. Its used widely in the
> >music industry for cleaning the grime off of guitars and other
> >instruments because it will not damage the finish.? Widely used in
> >the photography circles too for cleaning camera parts. Sold also as
> >Goo Be Gone.
> >Naptha and lighter fluid is one and the same. Slightly different
> >grades or volatilities of Naptha is available to suit whoever is
> >packaging it to sell for lighter fluid. Ronson and Zippo and most
> >generic Lighter fluid is 100% Naptha.? Same as with Varsol, there are
> >different grades that evaporate faster or slower depending on the
> >desired application.
> >???I agree diesel fuel might be another good ingrediant to mix 50-50
> >with the ATF.? But the naptha will not have the strong odor like diesel.
> >Just be carefull using indoors due to fume build up potential and its
> >volatility.???Mark
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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>04/11/09 10:51:00

Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817? USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206? Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Apr 11 14:12:18 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:12:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <DA4EE2D3-9338-4464-B0C1-BD9011108068@me.com>
References: <588125.6028.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<DA4EE2D3-9338-4464-B0C1-BD9011108068@me.com>
Message-ID: <dbe6bfe336c69e4b9ca219611a73e8d8.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Dave,

I was thinking the same thing.  I gotta check my vacation schedule.

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, April 11, 2009 4:56 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
> Hey Arnie, ROAD TRIP????????
> 	Dave
>
> On Apr 10, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>> This would be a great year to try out the Buckley, MI show.
>>
>> http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/
>>
>> Buckley August 13 - 16.
>> Baraboo August 21 - 23
>> Portland August 26 - 30





From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sat Apr 11 17:42:43 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:42:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <76011.42647.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090412004244.4B628444883@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Mark, maybe ,you might think about setting the solution OUTSIDE! I'm not
sure about the original thread, but I don't remember anything about mixing
up a batch of the stuff.. Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Frost
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 1:48 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating oil

I bought a can of Asetone and a quart of ATF fluid and mixed up a little
about 50/50. Took an old rusted 1/2 bolt and nut I had handy and run the nut
on to the bolt about half the thickness of the nut. Then clamped it on a
vice with the nut up. Then poured enough of the nixture unto the recess?
till it was full. After a couple minutes I noticed a small eddy on top of
the liquid and it seemed to continue until the mixture had worked it way
down thru the threads. There must have been some sort of chemical reaction
to cause the turbulance. 



?Ron Frost
??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
?
Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise

--- On Sat, 4/11/09, Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:


From: Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating oil
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 3:23 PM


Yes they are different but not so much that you can't use Coleman 
fuel for lighter fluid in a pinch.? ? ? Mark


At 02:55 PM 4/11/2009, you wrote:
>I guess I'm thinking about something else.? When someone says
>"naptha" I immediately think of Coleman fuel.? Guess white gas and
>naptha are two different things.
>
>-Tony
>
>
>At 10:40 PM 4/10/2009, you wrote:
> >I do not think Naptha will eat the paint. Its used widely in the
> >music industry for cleaning the grime off of guitars and other
> >instruments because it will not damage the finish.? Widely used in
> >the photography circles too for cleaning camera parts. Sold also as
> >Goo Be Gone.
> >Naptha and lighter fluid is one and the same. Slightly different
> >grades or volatilities of Naptha is available to suit whoever is
> >packaging it to sell for lighter fluid. Ronson and Zippo and most
> >generic Lighter fluid is 100% Naptha.? Same as with Varsol, there are
> >different grades that evaporate faster or slower depending on the
> >desired application.
> >???I agree diesel fuel might be another good ingrediant to mix 50-50
> >with the ATF.? But the naptha will not have the strong odor like diesel.
> >Just be carefull using indoors due to fume build up potential and its
> >volatility.???Mark
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.53/2054 - Release Date: 
>04/11/09 10:51:00

Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817? USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206? Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site???www.Maytagclub.com 

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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 11 19:18:25 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:18:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
Message-ID: <283474.80209.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It is a long drive either way around lake Michigan.
You just might want to consider this boat ride.
http://www.ssbadger.com/home.aspx
?
Alan

--- On Sat, 4/11/09, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:


From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 5:12 PM


Hi Dave,

I was thinking the same thing.? I gotta check my vacation schedule.

See ya,? Arnie

On Sat, April 11, 2009 4:56 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
> Hey Arnie, ROAD TRIP????????
> ??? Dave
>
> On Apr 10, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>> This would be a great year to try out the Buckley, MI show.
>>
>> http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/
>>
>> Buckley August 13 - 16.
>> Baraboo August 21 - 23
>> Portland August 26 - 30



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From rotigel at me.com  Sat Apr 11 20:27:21 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:27:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <283474.80209.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <283474.80209.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E3A70D86-A68F-4980-9EEB-3D37C15C5D80@me.com>

Thanks Alan, but if Mapquest is correct it's only ~490 miles (8 hours,  
7 minutes) from Buckley to Baraboo via Chicago. It would be a ~214  
mile drive from Buckley to Baraboo if we used the ferry. Looks about a  
toss-up to me. Arnie and I really consider anything under ~700 miles a  
"local" show!
	Dave
PS, The REAL problem here is the "vacation schedule"--Arnie gets a  
vacation and I don't!

On Apr 11, 2009, at 10:18 PM, Alan wrote:

> It is a long drive either way around lake Michigan.
> You just might want to consider this boat ride.
> http://www.ssbadger.com/home.aspx
>
> Alan
>
> --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 5:12 PM
>
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> I was thinking the same thing.  I gotta check my vacation schedule.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Sat, April 11, 2009 4:56 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
>> Hey Arnie, ROAD TRIP????????
>>     Dave
>>
>> On Apr 10, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Alan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>> This would be a great year to try out the Buckley, MI show.
>>>
>>> http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/
>>>
>>> Buckley August 13 - 16.
>>> Baraboo August 21 - 23
>>> Portland August 26 - 30


From kimmell at verizon.net  Sat Apr 11 20:40:28 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 22:40:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <20090411192259.3CB231475C2@mail01.wcoil.com>
References: <mailman.1.1239292802.1753.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za>
	<20090410001405.D60083E4734@mail05.wcoil.com>
	<0KHW009MCTXC7FB3@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net>
	<20090411034003.E7AA03A837E@mail03.wcoil.com>
	<0KHY003CZ9WVB16V@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
	<20090411192259.3CB231475C2@mail01.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <0KHY009ZVY7PWWD6@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>

At 02:23 PM 4/11/2009, you wrote:
>Yes they are different but not so much that you can't use Coleman
>fuel for lighter fluid in a pinch.      Mark


Yes I remember dad using Coleman fuel to start the grill when he ran 
out of lighter fluid.  Have to stand back pretty far when you throw 
that match.  He used to catch hell from mom whenever he did it.  haha.

-Tony



From frappi at wcoil.com  Sat Apr 11 21:47:16 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:47:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <0KHY009ZVY7PWWD6@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <mailman.1.1239292802.1753.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090409221942.018c73e0@mail.atech.co.za>
	<20090410001405.D60083E4734@mail05.wcoil.com>
	<0KHW009MCTXC7FB3@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net>
	<20090411034003.E7AA03A837E@mail03.wcoil.com>
	<0KHY003CZ9WVB16V@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
	<20090411192259.3CB231475C2@mail01.wcoil.com>
	<0KHY009ZVY7PWWD6@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20090412044715.F12EE3E436C@mail05.wcoil.com>

Ouch now thats dangerous, I ment Coleman as a Cigerette Light Fluid 
emergency substitution.  I bet the whosh was impressive at times, 
especially on warm days.  Mark


At 11:40 PM 4/11/2009, you wrote:
>At 02:23 PM 4/11/2009, you wrote:
> >Yes they are different but not so much that you can't use Coleman
> >fuel for lighter fluid in a pinch.      Mark
>
>
>Yes I remember dad using Coleman fuel to start the grill when he ran
>out of lighter fluid.  Have to stand back pretty far when you throw
>that match.  He used to catch hell from mom whenever he did it.  haha.
>
>-Tony
>
>_______________________________________________
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>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site   www.Maytagclub.com 



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 12 05:25:19 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 05:25:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
Message-ID: <966519.42669.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I see what you mean, Dave.
I used Google maps.
It must be a slow ferry.
With the ferry it is 266?mi ? about 8 hours 4 mins
Without the ferry it is 485?mi ? about 8 hours 17 mins
?
It only takes 13 more minutes to drive around the lake.
It would only cost me $30 with my truck to drive the extra 220 miles.
That would be a lot better than saving the 220 miles and paying $77.
?
Right, Dave you just have the 365 days per year vacation.
?
Alan

--- On Sat, 4/11/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 11:27 PM


Thanks Alan, but if Mapquest is correct it's only ~490 miles (8 hours,? 
7 minutes) from Buckley to Baraboo via Chicago. It would be a ~214? 
mile drive from Buckley to Baraboo if we used the ferry. Looks about a? 
toss-up to me. Arnie and I really consider anything under ~700 miles a? 
"local" show!
??? Dave
PS, The REAL problem here is the "vacation schedule"--Arnie gets a? 
vacation and I don't!

On Apr 11, 2009, at 10:18 PM, Alan wrote:

> It is a long drive either way around lake Michigan.
> You just might want to consider this boat ride.
> http://www.ssbadger.com/home.aspx
>
> Alan
>
> --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 5:12 PM
>
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> I was thinking the same thing.? I gotta check my vacation schedule.
>
> See ya,? Arnie
>
> On Sat, April 11, 2009 4:56 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
>> Hey Arnie, ROAD TRIP????????
>>? ???Dave
>>
>> On Apr 10, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Alan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>> This would be a great year to try out the Buckley, MI show.
>>>
>>> http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/
>>>
>>> Buckley August 13 - 16.
>>> Baraboo August 21 - 23
>>> Portland August 26 - 30
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Apr 12 06:33:55 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:33:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <20090412044715.F12EE3E436C@mail05.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEDLIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Mark:

When I was a kid, I remember reading the label on a can of Ronson lighter fluid.  It said, "Contains Petroleum Naptha".

I wouldn't have any problem putting Coleman fuel in my zippo........that is, if I still smoked and carried it.

I wouldn't use naptha as a charcoal starting fluid.  Too volatile and burns too fast to really work well.  Also, using it that way, you could make a flaming ash out of yourself.   :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Mark Shulaw
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:47 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating oil
> 
> 
> Ouch now thats dangerous, I ment Coleman as a 
> Cigerette Light Fluid 
> emergency substitution.  I bet the whosh was 
> impressive at times, 
> especially on warm days.  Mark




From marinesurveys at msn.com  Sun Apr 12 05:56:50 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:56:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEDLIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <20090412044715.F12EE3E436C@mail05.wcoil.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEDLIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W6648FD6EDA2A28F2942781B47E0@phx.gbl>


Penetrating oil, { ATF MIX }

I think probably kerosene would also work as well , { My $.25 on the thread }

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: edurand at mchsi.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:33:55 -0500
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating oil
> 
> Mark:
> 
> When I was a kid, I remember reading the label on a can of Ronson lighter fluid. It said, "Contains Petroleum Naptha".
> 
> I wouldn't have any problem putting Coleman fuel in my zippo........that is, if I still smoked and carried it.
> 
> I wouldn't use naptha as a charcoal starting fluid. Too volatile and burns too fast to really work well. Also, using it that way, you could make a flaming ash out of yourself. :-)
> 
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> > Behalf Of Mark Shulaw
> > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:47 PM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating oil
> > 
> > 
> > Ouch now thats dangerous, I ment Coleman as a 
> > Cigerette Light Fluid 
> > emergency substitution. I bet the whosh was 
> > impressive at times, 
> > especially on warm days. Mark
> 
> 
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Apr 12 07:19:40 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 09:19:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEDLIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <20090412044715.F12EE3E436C@mail05.wcoil.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEDLIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <0KHZ00EXIRT1EI7Q@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>

At 08:33 AM 4/12/2009, you wrote:
>I wouldn't use naptha as a charcoal starting fluid.  Too volatile 
>and burns too fast to really work well.  Also, using it that way, 
>you could make a flaming ash out of yourself.


Hah, yeah this was years ago back in the late 80's.  As I remember, 
it did start the charcoal very well since it burns so hot.  Didn't 
leave a bad taste like the cheap lighter fluid, either!  Dad would 
stand about 6 feet away when he threw that kitchen match and 
WOOSH!  Maybe this is the reason I became such a pyro... :-)

-Tony




From frappi at wcoil.com  Sun Apr 12 07:40:15 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 10:40:15 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <0KHZ00EXIRT1EI7Q@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <20090412044715.F12EE3E436C@mail05.wcoil.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEDLIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<0KHZ00EXIRT1EI7Q@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20090412144012.5078933C0381@mail06.wcoil.com>

Why is it the dangerous stuff is so much fun, GRINNN.
YEARS Ago in the late 80s?    You must be a young pup. The 80s was 
just yesterday!  Happy Easter!  Mark


At 10:19 AM 4/12/2009, you wrote:
>At 08:33 AM 4/12/2009, you wrote:
> >I wouldn't use naptha as a charcoal starting fluid.  Too volatile
> >and burns too fast to really work well.  Also, using it that way,
> >you could make a flaming ash out of yourself.
>
>
>Hah, yeah this was years ago back in the late 80's.  As I remember,
>it did start the charcoal very well since it burns so hot.  Didn't
>leave a bad taste like the cheap lighter fluid, either!  Dad would
>stand about 6 feet away when he threw that kitchen match and
>WOOSH!  Maybe this is the reason I became such a pyro... :-)
>
>-Tony
>
>
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Apr 12 09:03:15 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 11:03:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
In-Reply-To: <20090412144012.5078933C0381@mail06.wcoil.com>
References: <20090412044715.F12EE3E436C@mail05.wcoil.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEDLIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<0KHZ00EXIRT1EI7Q@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
	<20090412144012.5078933C0381@mail06.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <0KHZ00KKJWLPYKXH@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>

Yup, I was born in '83 so the 80's seem like a LONG time ago.  Dad 
died in '93 when I was only 10 so I guess I grew up alot faster than 
most people...

My 4 year old daughter still thinks I'm ancient though ;-)

-Tony


At 09:40 AM 4/12/2009, you wrote:
>Why is it the dangerous stuff is so much fun, GRINNN.
>YEARS Ago in the late 80s?    You must be a young pup. The 80s was
>just yesterday!  Happy Easter!  Mark




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Apr 12 09:41:25 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:41:25 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating oil
References: <20090412044715.F12EE3E436C@mail05.wcoil.com><OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEDLIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<0KHZ00EXIRT1EI7Q@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <003b01c9bb8d$8637da80$3a290556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony & Jackie" <kimmell at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating oil


> At 08:33 AM 4/12/2009, you wrote:
>>I wouldn't use naptha as a charcoal starting fluid.  Too volatile 
>>and burns too fast to really work well.  Also, using it that way, 
>>you could make a flaming ash out of yourself.
> 
> Hah, yeah this was years ago back in the late 80's.  As I remember, 
> it did start the charcoal very well since it burns so hot.  Didn't 
> leave a bad taste like the cheap lighter fluid, either!  Dad would 
> stand about 6 feet away when he threw that kitchen match and 
> WOOSH!  Maybe this is the reason I became such a pyro... :-)
> -Tony

Hi Tony, your tale takes me back 60 years ago when my mum & dad 
brought me home from watching a movie.
The fire had gone out so dad went to the shed to get some Paraffin (Kerosene)
to put on the coals to re-light the fire.
He picked up a can of Petrol (Gasoline) by mistake which vaporised.
When he struck a match we had a fireball & we ended up with a dad with 
no hair at the front or eyebrows & a cat that was bald on one side.

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Apr 12 10:07:25 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:07:25 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hot Rods
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090412185009.00bfe7d8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys & Gals,
         Although "Off Topic" these machines all have magnificent engines.
         Yesterday I attended the 2009 South African National Street Rod 
Championships and thought that some of you may enjoy the pics.
         BE WARNED: I've made the pics bigger than usual to be able to see 
some detail. They're all 1200 pixels wide and sizes range from 86 Kbytes to 
241 Kbytes. Apologies to the guys with very slow connections.
         Here is the page for anyone interested:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/hotrod/index.htm>

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From rotigel at me.com  Sun Apr 12 10:51:04 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:51:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <966519.42669.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <966519.42669.qm@web37303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4FA3047D-90F6-49A4-A19C-3C6B180B0DF6@me.com>

Other considerations as well, Alan.
	1.) The ferry leaves early morning (8:00 am)--that means a night in a  
motel after leaving Baraboo.
	2.) The $77.00 seems to be for a car. I would have a truck plus an  
18' trailer with aprox 10,000 lbs GVW.
	3.) I think, also, it would be another $71.00 for me (the $77 is only  
for a car.)
	4.) They also offer "Girlfriend Getaways." I would HATE to book on a  
"Fudgepacker Friday" special!
		Dave
PS, I'll still call tomorrow and check it out! THANKS!

On Apr 12, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Alan wrote:

> I see what you mean, Dave.
> I used Google maps.
> It must be a slow ferry.
> With the ferry it is 266 mi ? about 8 hours 4 mins
> Without the ferry it is 485 mi ? about 8 hours 17 mins
>
> It only takes 13 more minutes to drive around the lake.
> It would only cost me $30 with my truck to drive the extra 220 miles.
> That would be a lot better than saving the 220 miles and paying $77.
>
> Right, Dave you just have the 365 days per year vacation.
>
> Alan
>
> --- On Sat, 4/11/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 11:27 PM
>
>
> Thanks Alan, but if Mapquest is correct it's only ~490 miles (8 hours,
> 7 minutes) from Buckley to Baraboo via Chicago. It would be a ~214
> mile drive from Buckley to Baraboo if we used the ferry. Looks about a
> toss-up to me. Arnie and I really consider anything under ~700 miles a
> "local" show!
>     Dave
> PS, The REAL problem here is the "vacation schedule"--Arnie gets a
> vacation and I don't!
>
> On Apr 11, 2009, at 10:18 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>> It is a long drive either way around lake Michigan.
>> You just might want to consider this boat ride.
>> http://www.ssbadger.com/home.aspx
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 5:12 PM
>>
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> I was thinking the same thing.  I gotta check my vacation schedule.
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> On Sat, April 11, 2009 4:56 pm, David Rotigel wrote:
>>> Hey Arnie, ROAD TRIP????????
>>>      Dave
>>>
>>> On Apr 10, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>> This would be a great year to try out the Buckley, MI show.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/
>>>>
>>>> Buckley August 13 - 16.
>>>> Baraboo August 21 - 23
>>>> Portland August 26 - 30
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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Apr 12 10:59:02 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:59:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hot Rods
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090412185009.00bfe7d8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090412185009.00bfe7d8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <7F7C6512-E46B-448C-98CA-0BAFE62ECB87@me.com>

WOW!! Thanks Jerry--and it took less that 17 minutes to fully load! Is  
this simply a white man's hobby in SA? I see only one car that's owned  
by a person of colo(u)r--jpg 91.
	Dave

On Apr 12, 2009, at 1:07 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:

> Hi Guys & Gals,
>         Although "Off Topic" these machines all have magnificent  
> engines.
>         Yesterday I attended the 2009 South African National Street  
> Rod
> Championships and thought that some of you may enjoy the pics.
>         BE WARNED: I've made the pics bigger than usual to be able  
> to see
> some detail. They're all 1200 pixels wide and sizes range from 86  
> Kbytes to
> 241 Kbytes. Apologies to the guys with very slow connections.
>         Here is the page for anyone interested:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/hotrod/index.htm>
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Apr 13 01:25:58 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:25:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT Font style wanted
Message-ID: <4AF98E9692384396BED7B4E9B69232E8@peterlowe>

Hi all
Does anyone have the Font Style "Fine Hand" that they could sent to me for free ??

Regards
Peter, Oz



From marinesurveys at msn.com  Mon Apr 13 02:22:20 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 05:22:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
In-Reply-To: <4AF98E9692384396BED7B4E9B69232E8@peterlowe>
References: <4AF98E9692384396BED7B4E9B69232E8@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <COL106-W542669F9AAAE19115088F5B47F0@phx.gbl>


Hi all;
 
For those of you that may have interest, there is a book on E-Bay that looks
interesting, called, Farm Motors: Practical Hints for Handy-men, this looks 
pretty interesting  & seems to cover hit & miss & a lot of other early stuff.
The E-Bay item is 300303059028.
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470




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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 13 02:56:58 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 02:56:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
Message-ID: <466846.39175.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It is $6.27 on EBay but I just went to Amazon and bought it from what appears to be the same seller for $4.83.
Alan in Michigan

--- On Mon, 4/13/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:


From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 5:22 AM



Hi all;

For those of you that may have interest, there is a book on E-Bay that looks
interesting, called, Farm Motors: Practical Hints for Handy-men, this looks 
pretty interesting? & seems to cover hit & miss & a lot of other early stuff.
The E-Bay item is 300303059028.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm

? ? ? ? Franklin S. Skinner 
? ? Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
? ? ???34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470




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From sumron at optusnet.com.au  Mon Apr 13 03:00:41 2009
From: sumron at optusnet.com.au (John & Norma Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:00:41 +1000
Subject: [SEL] IHC "M" Tank
Message-ID: <CE7C9FF092084CCAB73CA147BD2D1404@gilbert0cd4c7f>

Come on you guys, 
surely one of you out there has an old 10hp M tank that you can at least give me the dimensions of so I can make one for a fellow restorer, 
Come on,  make his day, get those measurements to me.

thanks in anticipation
John in Oz, 


John and  Norma Gilbert
RSD Block 69 River Ave
Merbein, Vic 3505  
Australia
http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x279/john_the_tankman/
ph 03-50253372
Willow Norma: http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss194/willownorma/Showcase/

From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Apr 13 03:15:25 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:15:25 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
References: <4AF98E9692384396BED7B4E9B69232E8@peterlowe>
	<COL106-W542669F9AAAE19115088F5B47F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002a01c9bc20$c49d5370$3a290556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "frank skinner" <marinesurveys at msn.com>
To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:22 AM
Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff


> Hi all;
> For those of you that may have interest, there is a book on E-Bay that looks
> interesting, called, Farm Motors: Practical Hints for Handy-men, this looks 
> pretty interesting  & seems to cover hit & miss & a lot of other early stuff.
> The E-Bay item is 300303059028.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm
>        Franklin S. Skinner 

If the price goes high or you don't want to deal with E Bay, Google takes
you to many firms selling the same book at low prices.
See http://www.amazon.com/Farm-Motors-Practical-Hints-Handy-men/dp/1585740071
One mentions that it is a re-print in 2000 of the 1908 origional.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Apr 13 03:28:42 2009
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 06:28:42 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
Message-ID: <bed.3b55de53.37146dda@aol.com>

Hi List,
You can preview this book on Google Book Search (_http://books.google.com/_ 
(http://books.google.com/) ).
 Just type in "Farm Motors".
 
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 93454

 
 
In a message dated 4/13/2009 3:24:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes:

> For  those of you that may have interest, there is a book on E-Bay that  
looks
> interesting, called, Farm Motors: Practical Hints for Handy-men,  this 
looks 
> pretty interesting  & seems to cover hit &  miss & a lot of other early 
stuff.




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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Mon Apr 13 04:15:30 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 07:15:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
In-Reply-To: <466846.39175.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <466846.39175.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W463040E8CB7A502DC35388B47F0@phx.gbl>


WELL DAMN !!! lol

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 02:56:58 -0700
> From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
> 
> It is $6.27 on EBay but I just went to Amazon and bought it from what appears to be the same seller for $4.83.
> Alan in Michigan
> 
> --- On Mon, 4/13/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
> Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
> To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 5:22 AM
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all;
> 
> For those of you that may have interest, there is a book on E-Bay that looks
> interesting, called, Farm Motors: Practical Hints for Handy-men, this looks 
> pretty interesting  & seems to cover hit & miss & a lot of other early stuff.
> The E-Bay item is 300303059028.
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm
> 
>         Franklin S. Skinner 
>     Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
>        34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Apr 13 05:45:56 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:45:56 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Portland in August
In-Reply-To: <bed.3b08eb3d.370fcf06@aol.com>
References: <bed.3b08eb3d.370fcf06@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090413124544.6EEBD3181AE@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>

Thanks for the advice guys, I recon we will be 
seeing plenty of the falls from both sides. It's 
a shame we don't have plenty more time to wizz 
around the whole country looking at engines and 
meeting folk. (with the odd bit of shopping for 
the girls) Hope to see/meet plenty of the lists guys and girls at the rallies.
Russ


At 08:21 AM 10/04/2009, you wrote:
>I agree with Luke, Stay on the Canadian 
>side.  Motels up on the  hill.  Ask to look at 
>the rooms before you rent.  Motel we stayed 
>in  had panoramic windows overlooking both 
>Canadian and American falls. Colored  night 
>lights are beautiful.  Tom  Schmutz 
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Apr 13 10:39:15 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:39:15 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hot Rods
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1239638402.6284.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090413191744.00c1e438@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 13/04/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:59:02 -0400
>From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hot Rods
>
>WOW!! Thanks Jerry--and it took less that 17 minutes to fully load! Is
>this simply a white man's hobby in SA? I see only one car that's owned
>by a person of colo(u)r--jpg 91.
>         Dave

Hi Dave,
         ROTFLMAO!!
         You are right about it only being a "white man's hobby"! Others do 
not get involved simply because there is too much work involved!!
         I do have to explain one thing though - not all white men are the 
same. You will notice that the show was held in a town called Boksburg 
which is "affectionately" known as "Spanner City" - I do not really know 
how to explain it to you but it's one of those areas that is well known for 
its "boy racers", "hotted-up" 10 year old cars and all the motor workshops 
have names like "Rev Right Motors", "Big Balls Racing Tune ups" and suchlike.

         It's also one of those areas where the passport official asks "Do 
you have a weapon?" - if your answer is "No" he usually says "Oh S---, 
here, you'd better take mine". :-)
         I hope this clears it up for you.
Keep well,
Jerry.
P.S. And to think - I really liked that Pink - :-)



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 13 15:17:14 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:17:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
Message-ID: <705834.38624.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

There are still a dozen copies of this book for sale for less than six bucks.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1585740071/ref=dp_olp_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1239660597&sr=1-1
?
OR
?
http://tiny.cc/q9XyW
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Mon, 4/13/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:


From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 7:15 AM



WELL DAMN !!! lol



http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm

? ? ? ? Franklin S. Skinner 
? ? Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
? ? ???34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470




> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 02:56:58 -0700
> From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
> 
> It is $6.27 on EBay but I just went to Amazon and bought it from what appears to be the same seller for $4.83.
> Alan in Michigan
> 
> --- On Mon, 4/13/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
> Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
> To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 5:22 AM
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all;
> 
> For those of you that may have interest, there is a book on E-Bay that looks
> interesting, called, Farm Motors: Practical Hints for Handy-men, this looks 
> pretty interesting? & seems to cover hit & miss & a lot of other early stuff.
> The E-Bay item is 300303059028.
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm
> 
>? ? ? ???Franklin S. Skinner 
>? ???Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
>? ? ? ? 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
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From rotigel at me.com  Mon Apr 13 15:42:40 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:42:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <E3A70D86-A68F-4980-9EEB-3D37C15C5D80@me.com>
References: <283474.80209.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<E3A70D86-A68F-4980-9EEB-3D37C15C5D80@me.com>
Message-ID: <988DEEE7-6EA0-4A20-B0AC-5F4936408BC0@me.com>

I talked with a gal from the Badger Ferry (No Paul, NOT that kind of  
FERRY!) today about the price(s) of crossing from MI to WI for the  
shows.
		Truck		$77.00
		Trailer		130.00 ($5.50 per ft--my 18' trailer is 23.6' long)
		One preson	74.00
		Total		TOO MUCH!
	Dave
PS, Damn, another GOOD idea gone to hell!

On Apr 11, 2009, at 11:27 PM, David Rotigel wrote:

> Thanks Alan, but if Mapquest is correct it's only ~490 miles (8 hours,
> 7 minutes) from Buckley to Baraboo via Chicago. It would be a ~214
> mile drive from Buckley to Baraboo if we used the ferry. Looks about a
> toss-up to me. Arnie and I really consider anything under ~700 miles a
> "local" show!
> 	Dave
> PS, The REAL problem here is the "vacation schedule"--Arnie gets a
> vacation and I don't!
>
> On Apr 11, 2009, at 10:18 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>> It is a long drive either way around lake Michigan.
>> You just might want to consider this boat ride.
>> http://www.ssbadger.com/home.aspx


From marinesurveys at msn.com  Mon Apr 13 15:38:02 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:38:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
In-Reply-To: <705834.38624.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <705834.38624.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W5B3B9E90253F9F862CF83B47F0@phx.gbl>


Just proves my theory is right, 

"Whatever I buy, can be found for less, by anyone else "

 

                      

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:17:14 -0700
> From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
> 
> There are still a dozen copies of this book for sale for less than six bucks.
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1585740071/ref=dp_olp_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1239660597&sr=1-1
>  
> OR
>  
> http://tiny.cc/q9XyW
>  
> Alan in Michigan
> 
> --- On Mon, 4/13/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
> To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 7:15 AM
> 
> 
> 
> WELL DAMN !!! lol
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm
> 
>         Franklin S. Skinner 
>     Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
>        34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 02:56:58 -0700
> > From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
> > 
> > It is $6.27 on EBay but I just went to Amazon and bought it from what appears to be the same seller for $4.83.
> > Alan in Michigan
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 4/13/09, frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>
> > Subject: [SEL] Book on E-Bay, Hit & Miss + other stuff
> > To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 5:22 AM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi all;
> > 
> > For those of you that may have interest, there is a book on E-Bay that looks
> > interesting, called, Farm Motors: Practical Hints for Handy-men, this looks 
> > pretty interesting  & seems to cover hit & miss & a lot of other early stuff.
> > The E-Bay item is 300303059028.
> > 
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm
> > 
> >         Franklin S. Skinner 
> >     Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> >        34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
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> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Mon Apr 13 16:06:24 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:06:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Primer
Message-ID: <COL106-W34B4BC998E703289DE425AB47F0@phx.gbl>


Hi all;
 
Any recommendations on a really good, high build , primer for engines ?
Im going to start restoring a Petter AV engine soon, altho it looks bad, 
it's not really a rusty lump, but I would like the final paint finish to look
really nice and fairly smooth {as you can over un-polished cast iron }
 
The engine is in the link below, click on Petter
 
Thanks 
 
Remember "Big Rust" is an engine, "Little Rust" is a frozen part
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Mon Apr 13 16:49:45 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:49:45 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Engine Primer
References: <COL106-W34B4BC998E703289DE425AB47F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001c01c9bc92$8d1b3f30$3a290556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "frank skinner" <marinesurveys at msn.com>
To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:06 AM
Subject: [SEL] Engine Primer
> Hi all;
> Any recommendations on a really good, high build , primer for engines ?
> Im going to start restoring a Petter AV engine soon, altho it looks bad, 
> it's not really a rusty lump, but I would like the final paint finish to look
> really nice and fairly smooth {as you can over un-polished cast iron }
> The engine is in the link below, click on Petter
> Thanks 
> Remember "Big Rust" is an engine, "Little Rust" is a frozen part
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm
>        Franklin S. Skinner 

With a family history like that it is well worth a lot of work to restore it!!
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 13 17:23:26 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:23:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
Message-ID: <677981.33179.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

What stupid pricing.
With as slow as that ferry is charging that much is ridiculous.
$281.00 would sure buy you a lot of fuel.
$281.00 to save 13 minutes seems kind of silly too.
?
Thanks for checking that out, Dave.
?
Alan in Lake Locked Michigan

--- On Mon, 4/13/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 6:42 PM


I talked with a gal from the Badger Ferry (No Paul, NOT that kind of? 
FERRY!) today about the price(s) of crossing from MI to WI for the? 
shows.
??? ??? Truck??? ??? $77.00
??? ??? Trailer??? ??? 130.00 ($5.50 per ft--my 18' trailer is 23.6' long)
??? ??? One preson??? 74.00
??? ??? Total??? ??? TOO MUCH!
??? Dave
PS, Damn, another GOOD idea gone to hell!

On Apr 11, 2009, at 11:27 PM, David Rotigel wrote:

> Thanks Alan, but if Mapquest is correct it's only ~490 miles (8 hours,
> 7 minutes) from Buckley to Baraboo via Chicago. It would be a ~214
> mile drive from Buckley to Baraboo if we used the ferry. Looks about a
> toss-up to me. Arnie and I really consider anything under ~700 miles a
> "local" show!
> ??? Dave
> PS, The REAL problem here is the "vacation schedule"--Arnie gets a
> vacation and I don't!
>
> On Apr 11, 2009, at 10:18 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>> It is a long drive either way around lake Michigan.
>> You just might want to consider this boat ride.
>> http://www.ssbadger.com/home.aspx
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 00:40:21 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:40:21 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <988DEEE7-6EA0-4A20-B0AC-5F4936408BC0@me.com>
References: <283474.80209.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<E3A70D86-A68F-4980-9EEB-3D37C15C5D80@me.com>
	<988DEEE7-6EA0-4A20-B0AC-5F4936408BC0@me.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160904140040k7769ce72q58470471877cad65@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/13 David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>:
> I talked with a gal from the Badger Ferry (No Paul, NOT that kind of
> FERRY!) today about the price(s) of crossing from MI to WI for the
> shows.
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Truck ? ? ? ? ? $77.00
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Trailer ? ? ? ? 130.00 ($5.50 per ft--my 18' trailer is 23.6' long)
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?One preson ? ? ?74.00
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Total ? ? ? ? ? TOO MUCH!
> ? ? ? ?Dave
> PS, Damn, another GOOD idea gone to hell!

 Just for comparison:

The North Sea  ferry,  UK to Holland for the Nuenen engine show, is
costing ?370.00 ($US 550.00) for the van and trailer plus Philip's
Land Rover 4X4, four adults and a 4-berth cabin. The crossing takes
about 8 hours. That price is for the return trip as well. We booked
that last October, current prices may be higher.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From marinesurveys at msn.com  Tue Apr 14 01:30:33 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 04:30:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV Engine
In-Reply-To: <001c01c9bc92$8d1b3f30$3a290556@intrepid>
References: <COL106-W34B4BC998E703289DE425AB47F0@phx.gbl>
	<001c01c9bc92$8d1b3f30$3a290556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <COL106-W54A7B557694A67EE3BA624B47C0@phx.gbl>


Dave;

Thanks, it has been in the family since it arrived in the states, 

in mid Dec. 1957. My plan { I think} is to convert from a marine

engine to a Gen-set & have the power available for use during

hurricanes, we loose power for days, at times.

I wish it bigger, but it will carry an 8 KW generator with no worries,

It will power everthing here @ home, just not the Air Conditioning system.

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:49:45 +0100
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Primer
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "frank skinner" <marinesurveys at msn.com>
> To: "AA_OLD ENGINE" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:06 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Engine Primer
> > Hi all;
> > Any recommendations on a really good, high build , primer for engines ?
> > Im going to start restoring a Petter AV engine soon, altho it looks bad, 
> > it's not really a rusty lump, but I would like the final paint finish to look
> > really nice and fairly smooth {as you can over un-polished cast iron }
> > The engine is in the link below, click on Petter
> > Thanks 
> > Remember "Big Rust" is an engine, "Little Rust" is a frozen part
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm
> > Franklin S. Skinner 
> 
> With a family history like that it is well worth a lot of work to restore it!!
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> 
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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Tue Apr 14 02:06:52 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:06:52 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160904140040k7769ce72q58470471877cad65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <283474.80209.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<E3A70D86-A68F-4980-9EEB-3D37C15C5D80@me.com>
	<988DEEE7-6EA0-4A20-B0AC-5F4936408BC0@me.com> 
	<6f6025160904140040k7769ce72q58470471877cad65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W21E1C95DF9018EA4BD74B3B47C0@phx.gbl>


Peter;

 

You Brits have more money now days than us "Yanks" do.

we would need a "Stimulating Package " from the 

Emperor "Obama", to afford that , snicker 

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:40:21 +0100
> From: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
> 
> 2009/4/13 David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>:
> > I talked with a gal from the Badger Ferry (No Paul, NOT that kind of
> > FERRY!) today about the price(s) of crossing from MI to WI for the
> > shows.
> >                Truck           $77.00
> >                Trailer         130.00 ($5.50 per ft--my 18' trailer is 23.6' long)
> >                One preson      74.00
> >                Total           TOO MUCH!
> >        Dave
> > PS, Damn, another GOOD idea gone to hell!
> 
> Just for comparison:
> 
> The North Sea ferry, UK to Holland for the Nuenen engine show, is
> costing ?370.00 ($US 550.00) for the van and trailer plus Philip's
> Land Rover 4X4, four adults and a 4-berth cabin. The crossing takes
> about 8 hours. That price is for the return trip as well. We booked
> that last October, current prices may be higher.
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
> 
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr 14 05:04:12 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:04:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160904140040k7769ce72q58470471877cad65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <283474.80209.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<E3A70D86-A68F-4980-9EEB-3D37C15C5D80@me.com>
	<988DEEE7-6EA0-4A20-B0AC-5F4936408BC0@me.com>
	<6f6025160904140040k7769ce72q58470471877cad65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ad2c13e8ac7e52c10e472ce770d9c5d3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Peter,

Your rates are dead cheap!  If we scale Dave's quote to your specifics that would be
~$1160 compared to your $550.  Plus you can sleep or shag in your cabin.  Wot a
deal!

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, April 14, 2009 3:40 am, Listerdiesel wrote:
>> I talked with a gal from the Badger Ferry (No Paul, NOT that kind of
>> FERRY!) today about the price(s) of crossing from MI to WI for the
>> shows.
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Truck ? ? ? ? ? $77.00
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Trailer ? ? ? ? 130.00 ($5.50 per ft--my 18' trailer is 23.6' long)
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?One preson ? ? ?74.00
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Total ? ? ? ? ? TOO MUCH!
>
>  Just for comparison:
>
> The North Sea  ferry,  UK to Holland for the Nuenen engine show, is
> costing ?370.00 ($US 550.00) for the van and trailer plus Philip's
> Land Rover 4X4, four adults and a 4-berth cabin. The crossing takes
> about 8 hours. That price is for the return trip as well. We booked
> that last October, current prices may be higher.





From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Apr 14 06:27:12 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:27:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Villiers Torque Major engine info wanted.
Message-ID: <E41F2BD944DF4BBCAB57B464553B17EA@peterlowe>

Hi All

My old mate is doing up an engine off a Rover Challenger lawn mower. The engine is a Villiers TorqueMajor, 142cc, two stroke. 
Numbers on the engine are:
W1051/2A
WM
114111

The engine starts and tries to run and then stops, float level in carby seems OK, there is spark and the crankcase seals are OK. Any clues from the small two stroke brigade on the Lists.
What is the points gap and does anyone have a manual that they can send me a copy of please.

Peter, Oz

From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Apr 14 08:51:53 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:51:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
Message-ID: <20090414155152.7FF834448E5@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used on a
8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to buy
false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any help.
Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 14 09:19:31 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:19:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <20090414155152.7FF834448E5@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20090414155152.7FF834448E5@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W605CA157EAFE56BD97184DC27C0@phx.gbl>


Here are some pics of mine

 

http://gasenginetom.com/8_HP_Fairbanks_NB.html

 

Tom Winland

Ohio
 
> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:51:53 -0700
> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> 
> Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used on a
> 8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to buy
> false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any help.
> Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236
> 
> 
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> 
> 
> 
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Apr 14 09:38:03 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:38:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W605CA157EAFE56BD97184DC27C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090414163802.C986044484F@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Thank You MR. Winland. I have never seen one of those carbs/mixers in my
life, and chances are I never will that could be purchased.. Actually the
Throttle version looks a lot different than its hit and miss brother. Thanks
again, Jimmy 

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:20 AM
To: SEL list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N


Here are some pics of mine

 

http://gasenginetom.com/8_HP_Fairbanks_NB.html

 

Tom Winland

Ohio
 
> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:51:53 -0700
> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> 
> Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used on
a
> 8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to buy
> false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any
help.
> Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236
> 
> 
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> 
> 
> 
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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Apr 14 09:39:17 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:39:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <20090414155152.7FF834448E5@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20090414155152.7FF834448E5@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A8B227F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

Jimmy,

I think I know someone up here that has a 8hp throttle governed N.

I can check if you don't find another one.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:52 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used
on a
8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to
buy
false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any
help.
Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236

 

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 09:48:31 2009
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:48:31 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <ad2c13e8ac7e52c10e472ce770d9c5d3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <283474.80209.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<E3A70D86-A68F-4980-9EEB-3D37C15C5D80@me.com>
	<988DEEE7-6EA0-4A20-B0AC-5F4936408BC0@me.com>
	<6f6025160904140040k7769ce72q58470471877cad65@mail.gmail.com>
	<ad2c13e8ac7e52c10e472ce770d9c5d3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160904140948u5f52d74ja2a85d93713b9d24@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/14 Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>:
> Peter,
>
> Your rates are dead cheap! ?If we scale Dave's quote to your specifics that would be
> ~$1160 compared to your $550. ?Plus you can sleep or shag in your cabin. ?Wot a
> deal!
>
> See ya, ?Arnie

And you get to do it both ways (out and return!) as well :-))

Peter
-- 
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http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Apr 14 09:50:49 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:50:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A8B227F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <20090414165047.DFF2F4054BE@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi George, Thanks but Tom 's pictures answered my questions. Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:39 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Jimmy,

I think I know someone up here that has a 8hp throttle governed N.

I can check if you don't find another one.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:52 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used
on a
8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to
buy
false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any
help.
Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236

 

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr 14 10:16:46 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:16:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160904140948u5f52d74ja2a85d93713b9d24@mail.gmail.com>
References: <283474.80209.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<E3A70D86-A68F-4980-9EEB-3D37C15C5D80@me.com>
	<988DEEE7-6EA0-4A20-B0AC-5F4936408BC0@me.com>
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	<ad2c13e8ac7e52c10e472ce770d9c5d3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160904140948u5f52d74ja2a85d93713b9d24@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66733b45a5a77048500c67fa3f92e474.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

I ain't gonna touch that one!!

On Tue, April 14, 2009 12:48 pm, Listerdiesel wrote:
> 2009/4/14 Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>:
>> Plus you can sleep or shag in your cabin. ?
>
> And you get to do it both ways (out and return!) as well :-))
>




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Apr 14 10:21:05 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:21:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W605CA157EAFE56BD97184DC27C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9EA5B33A57CF477E998B24F639BA1867@tommyd0x52gkco>

Tom, 
	Pretty sure I used to own that hunk of iron.  Did you get it
from Mike O'Malley?  Mike got a tank cooled throttler from me that
looked identical to yours.  I wished I had it back and I bet Mike does
too!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Winland
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:20 PM
To: SEL list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N


Here are some pics of mine

 

http://gasenginetom.com/8_HP_Fairbanks_NB.html

 

Tom Winland

Ohio
 
> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:51:53 -0700
> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> 
> Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used
on a
> 8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to
buy
> false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any
help.
> Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236
> 
> 
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> 
> 
> 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Apr 14 10:24:10 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:24:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <20090414155152.7FF834448E5@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <1A7073CA775745B5868E43A98C056B82@tommyd0x52gkco>

Jimmy,
	Had some computer problems and can't dig your personal email
address out of the system.  Send me an email.  I may know where you can
find a carb....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:52 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used
on a
8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to
buy
false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any
help.
Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236

 

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From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Apr 14 10:32:20 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:32:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W605CA157EAFE56BD97184DC27C0@phx.gbl>
References: <20090414155152.7FF834448E5@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
	<BLU102-W605CA157EAFE56BD97184DC27C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <094BB138-F19F-434F-AFE9-D85373B2B0EE@rustyiron.com>

She's a beautiful engine, Tom.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Apr 14, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Tom Winland wrote:

>
> Here are some pics of mine



From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Apr 14 10:35:30 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:35:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160904140948u5f52d74ja2a85d93713b9d24@mail.gmail.com>
References: <283474.80209.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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	<988DEEE7-6EA0-4A20-B0AC-5F4936408BC0@me.com>
	<6f6025160904140040k7769ce72q58470471877cad65@mail.gmail.com>
	<ad2c13e8ac7e52c10e472ce770d9c5d3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160904140948u5f52d74ja2a85d93713b9d24@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8DFF2AAA-E805-449C-A342-EDDBF21250CF@rustyiron.com>

You boys aren't giving Dave enough credit.  Why do you think he has  
that shell on the back of the pickup?  Not only can he shag on the  
fairy, but he can pull over at every truck stop!


>> Plus you can sleep or shag in your cabin.  Wot a
>> deal!
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie


> And you get to do it both ways (out and return!) as well :-))
>
> Peter



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Apr 14 10:51:30 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:51:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <1A7073CA775745B5868E43A98C056B82@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <20090414175130.C01814CA664@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi Tommy, I have a chance to buy a "N" and it might be a throttler with a
wrong carb on it. Right now there are no pictures. Won't know much more
until the weekend. With whats going on recently with the prices on these
things, as you KNOW, I thought it is tmime to buy one if it's reasonable.
CYA, Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:24 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Jimmy,
	Had some computer problems and can't dig your personal email
address out of the system.  Send me an email.  I may know where you can
find a carb....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:52 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used
on a
8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to
buy
false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any
help.
Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236

 

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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 14 11:04:25 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:04:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <9EA5B33A57CF477E998B24F639BA1867@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <BLU102-W605CA157EAFE56BD97184DC27C0@phx.gbl>
	<9EA5B33A57CF477E998B24F639BA1867@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W318B313399D6CE9E7C9C7CC27C0@phx.gbl>


My engine came from a guy in the Carolina's a few years ago.
 
> From: lcjudge at scrtc.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:21:05 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> 
> Tom, 
> Pretty sure I used to own that hunk of iron. Did you get it
> from Mike O'Malley? Mike got a tank cooled throttler from me that
> looked identical to yours. I wished I had it back and I bet Mike does
> too!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom
> Winland
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:20 PM
> To: SEL list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> 
> 
> Here are some pics of mine
> 
> 
> 
> http://gasenginetom.com/8_HP_Fairbanks_NB.html
> 
> 
> 
> Tom Winland
> 
> Ohio
> 
> > From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:51:53 -0700
> > Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> > 
> > Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used
> on a
> > 8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to
> buy
> > false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any
> help.
> > Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Jim O'Hagan
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Tue Apr 14 11:11:45 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:11:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
In-Reply-To: <8DFF2AAA-E805-449C-A342-EDDBF21250CF@rustyiron.com>
References: <283474.80209.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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	<988DEEE7-6EA0-4A20-B0AC-5F4936408BC0@me.com>
	<6f6025160904140040k7769ce72q58470471877cad65@mail.gmail.com>
	<ad2c13e8ac7e52c10e472ce770d9c5d3.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160904140948u5f52d74ja2a85d93713b9d24@mail.gmail.com> 
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hmmmm things in the room are picking up, it seems , grin

 

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    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: rob at rustyiron.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:35:30 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Buckley, Baraboo, Portland?
> 
> You boys aren't giving Dave enough credit. Why do you think he has 
> that shell on the back of the pickup? Not only can he shag on the 
> fairy, but he can pull over at every truck stop!
> 
> 
> >> Plus you can sleep or shag in your cabin. Wot a
> >> deal!
> >>
> >> See ya, Arnie
> 
> 
> > And you get to do it both ways (out and return!) as well :-))
> >
> > Peter
> 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Apr 14 11:32:03 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:32:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W318B313399D6CE9E7C9C7CC27C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A990E220E44141D493EF25D00F06AECD@tommyd0x52gkco>

Yup, I told you wrong.  I had a hit and miss and a throttler.  The hit
and miss went to Mike and the throttler went to NC.  I thought that was
the same engine.  The guy in NC had a ice cream freezer he ran with an
engine at shows.  He also had a GSM and a few other engines.

Tommy Turner



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Winland
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:04 PM
To: SEL list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N


My engine came from a guy in the Carolina's a few years ago.
 
> From: lcjudge at scrtc.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:21:05 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> 
> Tom, 
> Pretty sure I used to own that hunk of iron. Did you get it
> from Mike O'Malley? Mike got a tank cooled throttler from me that
> looked identical to yours. I wished I had it back and I bet Mike does
> too!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom
> Winland
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:20 PM
> To: SEL list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> 
> 
> Here are some pics of mine
> 
> 
> 
> http://gasenginetom.com/8_HP_Fairbanks_NB.html
> 
> 
> 
> Tom Winland
> 
> Ohio
> 
> > From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:51:53 -0700
> > Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> > 
> > Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was
used
> on a
> > 8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying
to
> buy
> > false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for
any
> help.
> > Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Jim O'Hagan
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 14 11:50:39 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:50:39 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <A990E220E44141D493EF25D00F06AECD@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <BLU102-W318B313399D6CE9E7C9C7CC27C0@phx.gbl>
	<A990E220E44141D493EF25D00F06AECD@tommyd0x52gkco>
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I have the 3 1/2 HP GSM also  :)

 

Tom Winland

Ohio
 
> From: lcjudge at scrtc.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:32:03 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> 
> Yup, I told you wrong. I had a hit and miss and a throttler. The hit
> and miss went to Mike and the throttler went to NC. I thought that was
> the same engine. The guy in NC had a ice cream freezer he ran with an
> engine at shows. He also had a GSM and a few other engines.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom
> Winland
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:04 PM
> To: SEL list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> 
> 
> My engine came from a guy in the Carolina's a few years ago.
> 
> > From: lcjudge at scrtc.com
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:21:05 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> > 
> > Tom, 
> > Pretty sure I used to own that hunk of iron. Did you get it
> > from Mike O'Malley? Mike got a tank cooled throttler from me that
> > looked identical to yours. I wished I had it back and I bet Mike does
> > too!
> > 
> > Tommy Turner
> > Magnolia, KY
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom
> > Winland
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:20 PM
> > To: SEL list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> > 
> > 
> > Here are some pics of mine
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://gasenginetom.com/8_HP_Fairbanks_NB.html
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Tom Winland
> > 
> > Ohio
> > 
> > > From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:51:53 -0700
> > > Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> > > 
> > > Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was
> used
> > on a
> > > 8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying
> to
> > buy
> > > false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for
> any
> > help.
> > > Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Jim O'Hagan
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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From rotigel at me.com  Tue Apr 14 12:36:49 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:36:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W2136A264747DAD3D03BC53C27C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU102-W318B313399D6CE9E7C9C7CC27C0@phx.gbl>
	<A990E220E44141D493EF25D00F06AECD@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<BLU102-W2136A264747DAD3D03BC53C27C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <183FE05E-0F09-46AF-A57F-A81180078708@me.com>

Tom, Do you make ice cream at shows?
	Dave

On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Tom Winland wrote:

>
> I have the 3 1/2 HP GSM also  :)
>
>
>
> Tom Winland
>
> Ohio
>
>> From: lcjudge at scrtc.com
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:32:03 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
>>
>> Yup, I told you wrong. I had a hit and miss and a throttler. The hit
>> and miss went to Mike and the throttler went to NC. I thought that  
>> was
>> the same engine. The guy in NC had a ice cream freezer he ran with an
>> engine at shows. He also had a GSM and a few other engines.
>>
>> Tommy Turner


From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 14 12:33:13 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:33:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <183FE05E-0F09-46AF-A57F-A81180078708@me.com>
References: <BLU102-W318B313399D6CE9E7C9C7CC27C0@phx.gbl>
	<A990E220E44141D493EF25D00F06AECD@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<BLU102-W2136A264747DAD3D03BC53C27C0@phx.gbl> 
	<183FE05E-0F09-46AF-A57F-A81180078708@me.com>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W281D046D193C567DAFFD08C27C0@phx.gbl>


I don't make any ice cream but I sure do like to eat it   :)
 
> From: rotigel at me.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:36:49 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> 
> Tom, Do you make ice cream at shows?
> Dave
> 
> On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Tom Winland wrote:
> 
> >
> > I have the 3 1/2 HP GSM also :)
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom Winland
> >
> > Ohio
> >
> >> From: lcjudge at scrtc.com
> >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:32:03 -0400
> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
> >>
> >> Yup, I told you wrong. I had a hit and miss and a throttler. The hit
> >> and miss went to Mike and the throttler went to NC. I thought that 
> >> was
> >> the same engine. The guy in NC had a ice cream freezer he ran with an
> >> engine at shows. He also had a GSM and a few other engines.
> >>
> >> Tommy Turner
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Apr 14 12:42:51 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:42:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <20090414175130.C01814CA664@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <D1696658431749F1B6A25CBA9C25F013@tommyd0x52gkco>

Hey Jimmy, I've got one of the nicest 6 HP Fairbanks Standards you'll
ever find.  Every gizmo is original and its complete, even the original
rod oiler and cylinder swing top.  Now you have an old hunk of iron that
I'd like to trade for......

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:52 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hi Tommy, I have a chance to buy a "N" and it might be a throttler with
a
wrong carb on it. Right now there are no pictures. Won't know much more
until the weekend. With whats going on recently with the prices on these
things, as you KNOW, I thought it is tmime to buy one if it's
reasonable.
CYA, Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge
Tommy
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:24 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Jimmy,
	Had some computer problems and can't dig your personal email
address out of the system.  Send me an email.  I may know where you can
find a carb....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:52 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used
on a
8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to
buy
false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any
help.
Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236

 

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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Apr 14 13:03:32 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:03:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <20090414175130.C01814CA664@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <A428959906674B07B0FA232AD0F3CB25@tommyd0x52gkco>

Once you know what it needs, get in touch with me.  I know a gent who
used to have an 8 HP throttler N carb.  I don't know if he still has it
or not but it would be worth a call to find out.

Tommy Turner



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:52 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hi Tommy, I have a chance to buy a "N" and it might be a throttler with
a
wrong carb on it. Right now there are no pictures. Won't know much more
until the weekend. With whats going on recently with the prices on these
things, as you KNOW, I thought it is tmime to buy one if it's
reasonable.
CYA, Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge
Tommy
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:24 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Jimmy,
	Had some computer problems and can't dig your personal email
address out of the system.  Send me an email.  I may know where you can
find a carb....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:52 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used
on a
8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to
buy
false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any
help.
Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236

 

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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Tue Apr 14 13:10:49 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 06:10:49 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Villiers Torque Major engine info wanted.
In-Reply-To: <E41F2BD944DF4BBCAB57B464553B17EA@peterlowe>
References: <E41F2BD944DF4BBCAB57B464553B17EA@peterlowe>
Message-ID: <49E4EDC9.5040205@rustic-engines.com>

Peter,

try holding the carby tickler down after the engine fires. I would bet 
London to a brick on that it is slowly being starved of fuel, either by 
obstruction, constriction or jetting.

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Peter Lowe wrote:
> Hi All
>
> My old mate is doing up an engine off a Rover Challenger lawn mower. The engine is a Villiers TorqueMajor, 142cc, two stroke. 
> Numbers on the engine are:
> W1051/2A
> WM
> 114111
>
> The engine starts and tries to run and then stops, float level in carby seems OK, there is spark and the crankcase seals are OK. Any clues from the small two stroke brigade on the Lists.
> What is the points gap and does anyone have a manual that they can send me a copy of please.
>
> Peter, Oz
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Tue Apr 14 13:36:50 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 06:36:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <A428959906674B07B0FA232AD0F3CB25@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <A428959906674B07B0FA232AD0F3CB25@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <49E4F3E2.5010100@rustic-engines.com>

While you fellas are looking around remember me.

1.5hp FMZ throttle governed diagonal cut cam gear, governor bits, and 
the two rods (valve and carby).

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> Once you know what it needs, get in touch with me.  I know a gent who
> used to have an 8 HP throttler N carb.  I don't know if he still has it
> or not but it would be worth a call to find out.
>
> Tommy Turner
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> O'Hagan
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:52 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
>
> Hi Tommy, I have a chance to buy a "N" and it might be a throttler with
> a
> wrong carb on it. Right now there are no pictures. Won't know much more
> until the weekend. With whats going on recently with the prices on these
> things, as you KNOW, I thought it is tmime to buy one if it's
> reasonable.
> CYA, Jimmy
>
> Jim O'Hagan
>
>
>   


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Apr 14 14:08:35 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:08:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <D1696658431749F1B6A25CBA9C25F013@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <20090414210837.3C20F4C974B@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Tommy, My S.O. has instructions to call you BEFORE the ambulance if I keel
over. I'll yank your chain next week when I find out more about the N/NB.
Thank you very much. Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:43 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hey Jimmy, I've got one of the nicest 6 HP Fairbanks Standards you'll
ever find.  Every gizmo is original and its complete, even the original
rod oiler and cylinder swing top.  Now you have an old hunk of iron that
I'd like to trade for......

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:52 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hi Tommy, I have a chance to buy a "N" and it might be a throttler with
a
wrong carb on it. Right now there are no pictures. Won't know much more
until the weekend. With whats going on recently with the prices on these
things, as you KNOW, I thought it is tmime to buy one if it's
reasonable.
CYA, Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge
Tommy
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:24 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Jimmy,
	Had some computer problems and can't dig your personal email
address out of the system.  Send me an email.  I may know where you can
find a carb....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:52 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used
on a
8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to
buy
false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any
help.
Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236

 

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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Apr 14 14:15:36 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:15:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <49E4F3E2.5010100@rustic-engines.com>
Message-ID: <20090414211535.15819302939@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Al, what's the serial # so I have an idea of when it was built. Do you know
if any other HP. Eng.s will interchange? If I see a Parts engine at a swap
meet, I'll grab it for ya. Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Al Harris
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:37 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

While you fellas are looking around remember me.

1.5hp FMZ throttle governed diagonal cut cam gear, governor bits, and 
the two rods (valve and carby).

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> Once you know what it needs, get in touch with me.  I know a gent who
> used to have an 8 HP throttler N carb.  I don't know if he still has it
> or not but it would be worth a call to find out.
>
> Tommy Turner
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> O'Hagan
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:52 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
>
> Hi Tommy, I have a chance to buy a "N" and it might be a throttler with
> a
> wrong carb on it. Right now there are no pictures. Won't know much more
> until the weekend. With whats going on recently with the prices on these
> things, as you KNOW, I thought it is tmime to buy one if it's
> reasonable.
> CYA, Jimmy
>
> Jim O'Hagan
>
>
>   
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Apr 14 14:47:46 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:47:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <20090414210837.3C20F4C974B@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <40F359565E9B4FF68578E7FFA10CDB1A@tommydk7hxjr4h>

I couldn't ask for any more than that Jimmy!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:09 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N


Tommy, My S.O. has instructions to call you BEFORE the ambulance if I
keel over. I'll yank your chain next week when I find out more about the
N/NB. Thank you very much. Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan




From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Tue Apr 14 14:51:36 2009
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 07:51:36 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
References: <20090414155152.7FF834448E5@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
	<BLU102-W605CA157EAFE56BD97184DC27C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E86C6E06D4DB441792F6D2E677838FD6@Edd>

Hi Tom.I have a 8HP hit/miss.I see that your engine has no crank guard in 
the great pics.My engine was missing its guard as well .Robert L.LeFEVER 
from PA U.S.A. made me one and it is really good.He has an original as a 
pattern.For you and any one interested his phone # is 717548 4131.He is not 
available at the moment as he is in Australia on vacation.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Winland" <gasenginetom at hotmail.com>
To: "SEL list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N


>
> Here are some pics of mine
>
>
>
> http://gasenginetom.com/8_HP_Fairbanks_NB.html
>
>
>
> Tom Winland
>
> Ohio
>
>> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:51:53 -0700
>> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
>>
>> Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used on 
>> a
>> 8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to 
>> buy
>> false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any 
>> help.
>> Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim O'Hagan
>>
>>
>>
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Tue Apr 14 15:12:48 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:12:48 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <20090414211535.15819302939@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20090414211535.15819302939@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
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Jim,

553711    -   1923

As luck would have it, the 2 & 3hp engines do not have diagonal cam gear 
and gov parts interchangeable with the 1.5hp model. Also, very few 1.5's 
made it to Oz, the larger ones being preferred.

When you grab one, would you kindly package and post the parts I need to 
Oz, because, I surely don't want the "bulky" bit sent over. ;-)

You can see what I have here:

> http://www.rustic-engines.com/

ps: it now has the true 1.5hp mixer on it, not the 3hp one seen in the pic.

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Jim O'Hagan wrote:
> Al, what's the serial # so I have an idea of when it was built. Do you know
> if any other HP. Eng.s will interchange? If I see a Parts engine at a swap
> meet, I'll grab it for ya. Jimmy
>
> Jim O'Hagan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Al Harris
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:37 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
>
> While you fellas are looking around remember me.
>
> 1.5hp FMZ throttle governed diagonal cut cam gear, governor bits, and 
> the two rods (valve and carby).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Al Harris
> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>
> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
>
>   


From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Tue Apr 14 15:24:06 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:24:06 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
Message-ID: <c2c.57959ccd.37166706@aol.com>

Get a hold of Tom Weatherford he has my old 8 HP He might be able to help  
out.
KK
 
 
In a message dated 4/14/2009 4:14:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

Once you  know what it needs, get in touch with me.  I know a gent who
used to  have an 8 HP throttler N carb.  I don't know if he still has it
or not  but it would be worth a call to find out.

Tommy  Turner



-----Original Message-----
From:  sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]  On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:52 PM
To:  'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse  N

Hi Tommy, I have a chance to buy a "N" and it might be a throttler  with
a
wrong carb on it. Right now there are no pictures. Won't know  much more
until the weekend. With whats going on recently with the prices  on these
things, as you KNOW, I thought it is tmime to buy one if  it's
reasonable.
CYA, Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original  Message-----
From:  sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]  On Behalf Of Judge
Tommy
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:24  AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks  Morse N

Jimmy,
Had some computer problems and can't  dig your personal email
address out of the system.  Send me an  email.  I may know where you can
find a carb....

Tommy  Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From:  sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]  On Behalf Of Jim
O'Hagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:52 AM
To:  'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N

Hi,  would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used
on  a
8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying  to
buy
false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks  for any
help.
Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236



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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Tue Apr 14 15:26:51 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:26:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
Message-ID: <cf4.4d68ae19.371667ab@aol.com>

Al why dont you just buy the one I just picked up 1.5 HP FMZ original. Oh  
its a kero burner also. Emal me.
_BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM_ (mailto:BIGFLYWHEEL at AOL.COM) 
KK
 
 
In a message dated 4/14/2009 4:44:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
al.harris at rustic-engines.com writes:

While  you fellas are looking around remember me.

1.5hp FMZ throttle governed  diagonal cut cam gear, governor bits, and 
the two rods (valve and  carby).

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW  Oz

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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Tue Apr 14 15:31:03 2009
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:31:03 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
References: <20090414211535.15819302939@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
	<49E50A60.8060205@rustic-engines.com>
Message-ID: <7BF9CA3D00BE4052BD7593CFB09299C7@Edd>

Hi All.The 1.5& 2hpZ throttlers use the same parts (except for the 
headless1.5)
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Al Harris" <al.harris at rustic-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N


> Jim,
>
> 553711    -   1923
>
> As luck would have it, the 2 & 3hp engines do not have diagonal cam gear
> and gov parts interchangeable with the 1.5hp model. Also, very few 1.5's
> made it to Oz, the larger ones being preferred.
>
> When you grab one, would you kindly package and post the parts I need to
> Oz, because, I surely don't want the "bulky" bit sent over. ;-)
>
> You can see what I have here:
>
>> http://www.rustic-engines.com/
>
> ps: it now has the true 1.5hp mixer on it, not the 3hp one seen in the 
> pic.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Al Harris
> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>
> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
>
>
>
> Jim O'Hagan wrote:
>> Al, what's the serial # so I have an idea of when it was built. Do you 
>> know
>> if any other HP. Eng.s will interchange? If I see a Parts engine at a 
>> swap
>> meet, I'll grab it for ya. Jimmy
>>
>> Jim O'Hagan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Al Harris
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:37 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
>>
>> While you fellas are looking around remember me.
>>
>> 1.5hp FMZ throttle governed diagonal cut cam gear, governor bits, and
>> the two rods (valve and carby).
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Al Harris
>> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>>
>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
>>
>>
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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Tue Apr 14 15:53:33 2009
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:53:33 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  Fairbanks Morse N
Message-ID: <9C1236D624A54845A3C08DC6DA43999E@Edd>

try again.this post disappeared.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N


> Hi Tom.I have a 8HP hit/miss.I see that your engine has no crank guard in 
> the great pics.My engine was missing its guard as well .Robert L.LeFEVER 
> from PA U.S.A. made me one and it is really good.He has an original as a 
> pattern.For you and any one interested his phone # is 717548 4131.He is 
> not available at the moment as he is in Australia on vacation.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tom Winland" <gasenginetom at hotmail.com>
> To: "SEL list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
>
>
>>
>> Here are some pics of mine
>>
>>
>>
>> http://gasenginetom.com/8_HP_Fairbanks_NB.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Winland
>>
>> Ohio
>>
>>> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
>>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:51:53 -0700
>>> Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
>>>
>>> Hi, would anyone have a picture of a throttle style carb that was used 
>>> on a
>>> 8 horse "N" Better yet, do you have one for sale? Maybe like trying to 
>>> buy
>>> false teeth for a chicken ,but thought I'd ask anyway.. Thanks for any 
>>> help.
>>> Jimmy O'Hagan,Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim O'Hagan
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Tue Apr 14 17:01:02 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:01:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <7BF9CA3D00BE4052BD7593CFB09299C7@Edd>
References: <20090414211535.15819302939@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>	<49E50A60.8060205@rustic-engines.com>
	<7BF9CA3D00BE4052BD7593CFB09299C7@Edd>
Message-ID: <49E523BE.2020503@rustic-engines.com>

G'day Edd,

You might have missed the word "diagonal". Hit n miss show part numbers 
HM2476 and HM2485 as only for the 1.5hp engine. My assumption is that 
the 2hp engine did not come with a diagonal gear on the crankshaft.

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Edd Payne wrote:
> Hi All.The 1.5& 2hpZ throttlers use the same parts (except for the 
> headless1.5)
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
>
>   


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From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:22:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Manual
Message-ID: <20090414.202425.1508.5.jlb94>

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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Wed Apr 15 00:24:11 2009
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:24:11 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
References: <20090414211535.15819302939@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>	<49E50A60.8060205@rustic-engines.com><7BF9CA3D00BE4052BD7593CFB09299C7@Edd>
	<49E523BE.2020503@rustic-engines.com>
Message-ID: <9295A2AD8FED4128BFC3F5FBCD3B8AF4@Edd>

Hi All.No I didn't miss that word.The 1.5&2HP Zs are the same engine.I have 
them in both HPs with straight and diagonal gears and all parts 
interchange.(as long as you use all the same style of gears)The diagonal 
gears were only used on Zs with the AB33/34 mags and only for about a year.I 
can be more specific if you wish but at the moment don't have time to go 
through my books to get accurate dates ECT.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Al Harris" <al.harris at rustic-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N


> G'day Edd,
>
> You might have missed the word "diagonal". Hit n miss show part numbers
> HM2476 and HM2485 as only for the 1.5hp engine. My assumption is that
> the 2hp engine did not come with a diagonal gear on the crankshaft.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Al Harris
> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>
> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
>
>
>
> Edd Payne wrote:
>> Hi All.The 1.5& 2hpZ throttlers use the same parts (except for the
>> headless1.5)
>> EDD PAYNE
>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
>> Australia
>> 2852
>> Phone:0263742387
>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
>> edsengns
>>
>>
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Wed Apr 15 01:04:03 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:04:03 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
In-Reply-To: <9295A2AD8FED4128BFC3F5FBCD3B8AF4@Edd>
References: <20090414211535.15819302939@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>	<49E50A60.8060205@rustic-engines.com><7BF9CA3D00BE4052BD7593CFB09299C7@Edd>	<49E523BE.2020503@rustic-engines.com>
	<9295A2AD8FED4128BFC3F5FBCD3B8AF4@Edd>
Message-ID: <49E594F3.6070401@rustic-engines.com>

The AB33 you can see sitting on my engine ready to be struck by the 
diagonally cut cam gear which Hit n miss say ONLY is supplied for the 1.5hp.

Isn't it an annoyance when you read things like that and then be told 
that it is not correct. Maybe Hit n miss should be told. Not by me though.

I already have the date Edd (1923) and there is a diag cut gear on the 
crankshaft and to attempt to keep it original I am seeking a diagonally 
cut cam gear (which I reiterate, Hit n Miss only sell as a 1.5hp item).

I'm not arguing, I'm just stating what Hit n Miss have in their parts 
list. If this is not correct, it really doesn't matter, I still require 
a diag cut cam gear. :-)

> http://www.hitnmiss.com/7.html

Cheers,

Al Harris
Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Edd Payne wrote:
> Hi All.No I didn't miss that word.The 1.5&2HP Zs are the same engine.I have 
> them in both HPs with straight and diagonal gears and all parts 
> interchange.(as long as you use all the same style of gears)The diagonal 
> gears were only used on Zs with the AB33/34 mags and only for about a year.I 
> can be more specific if you wish but at the moment don't have time to go 
> through my books to get accurate dates ECT.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Al Harris" <al.harris at rustic-engines.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N
>
>
>   
>> G'day Edd,
>>
>> You might have missed the word "diagonal". Hit n miss show part numbers
>> HM2476 and HM2485 as only for the 1.5hp engine. My assumption is that
>> the 2hp engine did not come with a diagonal gear on the crankshaft.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Al Harris
>> Summer Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>>
>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Edd Payne wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi All.The 1.5& 2hpZ throttlers use the same parts (except for the
>>> headless1.5)
>>> EDD PAYNE
>>> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
>>> Australia
>>> 2852
>>> Phone:0263742387
>>> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
>>> edsengns
>>>
>>>
>>>       
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Apr 15 03:48:38 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:48:38 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Australian contacts - Melbourne
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090415122654.02310048@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         A while back I mentioned a friend who was emigrating to Aus. Well 
he's there now and settled in Melbourne. (Sorry Aussies - you've got 
another South African there !!! :-))
         He is keen to hook up with a club in the area and I'd appreciate 
some contact names and addresses.
         His name is David Nel <david.nel.aviation at gmail.com> and his 
interests are stationary engines, cars (Mustang) and flying (he builds 
aircraft and is the owner of the SAAB Safir that I recently posted about). 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/saab/index.htm>
         Any contacts in the area will be appreciated.
Many thanks.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Wed Apr 15 04:40:16 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:40:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Australian contacts - Melbourne
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090415122654.02310048@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090415122654.02310048@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <49E5C7A0.6010007@steamengine.com.au>

I know that we seem like a small backwater but there are millions of 
people in "Melbourne". Which part of Melbourne does he live in?

Paul (who also lives in "Melbourne" - more or less :).



Jerry Evans wrote:
> Hi All,
>         A while back I mentioned a friend who was emigrating to Aus. 
> Well he's there now and settled in Melbourne. (Sorry Aussies - you've 
> got another South African there !!! :-))
>         He is keen to hook up with a club in the area and I'd 
> appreciate some contact names and addresses.
>         His name is David Nel <david.nel.aviation at gmail.com> and his 
> interests are stationary engines, cars (Mustang) and flying (he builds 
> aircraft and is the owner of the SAAB Safir that I recently posted 
> about). <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/saab/index.htm>
>         Any contacts in the area will be appreciated.
> Many thanks.
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
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From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Wed Apr 15 04:55:09 2009
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:55:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Australian contacts - Melbourne
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090415122654.02310048@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <33D3FC078597440C98E0EA6A54A12890@Edd>

Hay Jerry.Did you get the Victor book yet.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:48 PM
Subject: [SEL] Australian contacts - Melbourne


> Hi All,
>         A while back I mentioned a friend who was emigrating to Aus. Well
> he's there now and settled in Melbourne. (Sorry Aussies - you've got
> another South African there !!! :-))
>         He is keen to hook up with a club in the area and I'd appreciate
> some contact names and addresses.
>         His name is David Nel <david.nel.aviation at gmail.com> and his
> interests are stationary engines, cars (Mustang) and flying (he builds
> aircraft and is the owner of the SAAB Safir that I recently posted about).
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/saab/index.htm>
>         Any contacts in the area will be appreciated.
> Many thanks.
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Apr 15 10:58:14 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:58:14 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Manual
In-Reply-To: <20090414.202425.1508.5.jlb94>
References: <20090414.202425.1508.5.jlb94>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS1C39AB537FEC7FCE6C6EBBB7D0@phx.gbl>

Looked thru my owners manuals as I don't ever remember throwing any away, 
Pip.  But no luck..only the new one was there.

What seems to be the problem?
RickinMt.


>
> At present I am looking for a "Use & Care" Manual for a Sears Microwave
> made in 1972.
>
> Nomenclature # 564.9998011
> Model # 99901
> Manufacturer # 564W
> Sereal # 9W2270248
> Patent # 3396342
> Use & Care Manual # 11028
>
> If anyone has one laying around. I have exhausted all my resources. 



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr 15 15:02:55 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:02:55 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum on UTube
Message-ID: <007a01c9be15$efa505d0$3a290556@intrepid>

If you wish to enjoy engines you cannot afford for an hour, go to
http://www.youtube.com/ and put  "Anson Engine Museum" into 
the search box. (without the asterisks)
About 25 good video's, The latest from this Easter!

Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr 15 15:36:27 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:36:27 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum on UTube
References: <007a01c9be15$efa505d0$3a290556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <009501c9be1a$a0d8a6f0$3a290556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "atis" <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:02 PM
Subject: Anson Engine Museum on UTube


> If you wish to enjoy engines you cannot afford for an hour, go to
> http://www.youtube.com/ and put  "Anson Engine Museum" into 
> the search box. (without the asterisks)
> About 25 good video's, The latest from this Easter!
> Dave Croft

I am showing my ignorance as usual!
When I said "Asterisks" I should have said "Quotation Marks"
It works with & without but if you use the quotation marks you only get a few of the video's.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From rotigel at me.com  Wed Apr 15 17:57:11 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:57:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum on UTube
In-Reply-To: <009501c9be1a$a0d8a6f0$3a290556@intrepid>
References: <007a01c9be15$efa505d0$3a290556@intrepid>
	<009501c9be1a$a0d8a6f0$3a290556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <0CD5B91C-8EC6-4ADB-AF64-E6600E064360@me.com>

> I am showing my ignorance as usual!
> When I said "Asterisks" I should have said "Quotation Marks"
> It works with & without but if you use the quotation marks you only  
> get a few of the video's.
> Dave Croft

Hell Dave, I always thought it was "asteri." 


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 15 19:52:09 2009
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:52:09 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum on UTube
Message-ID: <24102921.1239850329817.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Thank yo Dave, those are worth watching.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Dave Croft <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
>Sent: Apr 15, 2009 3:02 PM
>To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Cc: atis <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum on UTube
>
>If you wish to enjoy engines you cannot afford for an hour, go to
>http://www.youtube.com/ and put  "Anson Engine Museum" into 
>the search box. (without the asterisks)
>About 25 good video's, The latest from this Easter!
>
>Dave Croft
>Warrington
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
>http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
>
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Apr 15 19:56:59 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:56:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Manual
Message-ID: <20090415.231328.1484.9.jlb94>

What seems to be the problem?
RickinMt.
=        =        =        =        =        
Thanks for your help Rick,

No real problem.  My micro went south and I bought this one throught the
PennySaver.

It works fine but I don't know how to use all the features.


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From jon at sideshaft.com  Wed Apr 15 20:25:34 2009
From: jon at sideshaft.com (Jon Rozevink)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:25:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1239811202.6505.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <LPEOJIEEKCJPAJKCNEGAMEJLDIAA.jon@sideshaft.com>

Hey Tom
Where did your Fairbanks NB come from?? The Carolina's?? Maybe it was down
there down there for a little while but it spent more time in Defiance Ohio,
with a couple different owners in the that town I might add.  LOL   I think
you got the GSM from me also come to think about it.. I'll take credit when
its due..... :)  Sorry I had to call you out on that one....

Thanks
Jon Rozevink
1717 East Second St
Defiance, Ohio 43512
419-789-1159
www.sideshaft.com








From marinesurveys at msn.com  Thu Apr 16 02:22:45 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 05:22:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum on UTube
In-Reply-To: <0CD5B91C-8EC6-4ADB-AF64-E6600E064360@me.com>
References: <007a01c9be15$efa505d0$3a290556@intrepid>
	<009501c9be1a$a0d8a6f0$3a290556@intrepid> 
	<0CD5B91C-8EC6-4ADB-AF64-E6600E064360@me.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W51001BB6CE4C36E3A996B9B47A0@phx.gbl>


Hi all, heres a link to 120 Vids from what dave posted, Very good 

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=78B60D41F866817A

 



        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: rotigel at me.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:57:11 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum on UTube
> 
> > I am showing my ignorance as usual!
> > When I said "Asterisks" I should have said "Quotation Marks"
> > It works with & without but if you use the quotation marks you only 
> > get a few of the video's.
> > Dave Croft
> 
> Hell Dave, I always thought it was "asteri." 
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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Apr 16 05:19:47 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:19:47 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
Message-ID: <d40.3d51ab33.37187c63@aol.com>

Nothing but love for old friends.
KK
 
 
In a message dated 4/15/2009 11:51:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jon at sideshaft.com writes:

Hey  Tom
Where did your Fairbanks NB come from?? The Carolina's?? Maybe it was  down
there down there for a little while but it spent more time in Defiance  
Ohio,
with a couple different owners in the that town I might add.   LOL   I think
you got the GSM from me also come to think about  it.. I'll take credit when
its due..... :)  Sorry I had to call you  out on that one....

Thanks
Jon Rozevink
1717 East Second  St
Defiance, Ohio  43512
419-789-1159
www.sideshaft.com


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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Apr 16 05:41:35 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:41:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <d40.3d51ab33.37187c63@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AD41EB0C006F4B008AD4ADC163D71C18@tommyd0x52gkco>

Well Kevin, the only thing I know is I used to own that darn thing.  I
got it out of Arkansas several years ago.  I got 2 at the same place.
One was an 8 Hit and Miss and the other was an 8 throttler.  Mike
O'Malley got the hit and miss from me and I sold the throttler to a gent
in NC.  Then Jon (or Tom) got it from NC..... Some of this old iron has
traveled many miles!!  There was at least 3 of the engines at the Hart,
TX auction that I used to own.  One was the 4 HP Fairbanks. I got it out
of Canada in the mid 80's.  The Shippensburg I got out of Iowa in about
'88.  I think I paid $600 for the 4 HP and traded a wagon for the
Shippensburg.  The good old days!!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:20 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)

Nothing but love for old friends.
KK
 
 
In a message dated 4/15/2009 11:51:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jon at sideshaft.com writes:

Hey  Tom
Where did your Fairbanks NB come from?? The Carolina's?? Maybe it was
down
there down there for a little while but it spent more time in Defiance  
Ohio,
with a couple different owners in the that town I might add.   LOL   I
think
you got the GSM from me also come to think about  it.. I'll take credit
when
its due..... :)  Sorry I had to call you  out on that one....

Thanks
Jon Rozevink
1717 East Second  St
Defiance, Ohio  43512
419-789-1159
www.sideshaft.com


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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 16 05:42:20 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:42:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <LPEOJIEEKCJPAJKCNEGAMEJLDIAA.jon@sideshaft.com>
References: <mailman.1.1239811202.6505.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<LPEOJIEEKCJPAJKCNEGAMEJLDIAA.jon@sideshaft.com>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W33CB1A1DA6DB7752114CD2C27A0@phx.gbl>


Yes Jon, it did pass thru your hands but it came from NC.   You kinda were like Walmart, just get em from somewhere and re-distribute  :)  lol

 

Tom
 
> From: jon at sideshaft.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:25:34 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
> 
> Hey Tom
> Where did your Fairbanks NB come from?? The Carolina's?? Maybe it was down
> there down there for a little while but it spent more time in Defiance Ohio,
> with a couple different owners in the that town I might add. LOL I think
> you got the GSM from me also come to think about it.. I'll take credit when
> its due..... :) Sorry I had to call you out on that one....
> 
> Thanks
> Jon Rozevink
> 1717 East Second St
> Defiance, Ohio 43512
> 419-789-1159
> www.sideshaft.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Apr 16 05:57:59 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:57:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W33CB1A1DA6DB7752114CD2C27A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <FA27DD81D7FB458283BB73CE1C989746@tommyd0x52gkco>

Ahhh, yes.  The "middleman".  I think Webster's describes this person as
"The one who profits most from a business transaction or sale".  Sadly,
I'm always the "bottom man" which Webster's describes as "The one who
most benefits others through unselfish business transactions".  I may
have a different version of Webster's than most of you though...

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




Yes Jon, it did pass thru your hands but it came from NC.   You kinda
were like Walmart, just get em from somewhere and re-distribute  :)  lol

 

Tom




From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Apr 16 06:11:20 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:11:20 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
Message-ID: <cb2.52bc00e8.37188878@aol.com>

Tommy, You know its just a big power struggle over yonder in Ohio. Dam  
kids.
KK
 
 
In a message dated 4/16/2009 8:44:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

Well  Kevin, the only thing I know is I used to own that darn thing.  I
got  it out of Arkansas several years ago.  I got 2 at the same place.
One  was an 8 Hit and Miss and the other was an 8 throttler.  Mike
O'Malley  got the hit and miss from me and I sold the throttler to a gent
in  NC.  Then Jon (or Tom) got it from NC..... Some of this old iron  has
traveled many miles!!  There was at least 3 of the engines at the  Hart,
TX auction that I used to own.  One was the 4 HP Fairbanks. I  got it out
of Canada in the mid 80's.  The Shippensburg I got out of  Iowa in about
'88.  I think I paid $600 for the 4 HP and traded a  wagon for the
Shippensburg.  The good old  days!!

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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Thu Apr 16 06:18:52 2009
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:18:52 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
Message-ID: <c7a.54947ab6.37188a3c@aol.com>

I have a good friend that always said. (My daddy was into a fast woman and  
a slow race horses). He never had a penny to his name. 
I have always told Jon and Tom its better to give than receive. There  
having issues with this or there not listening. So the next best thing.  I will 
run down to Rite Aid and get some Q Tips so they can clean those  ears up a 
bit. Think this will help?
KK
 
 
In a message dated 4/16/2009 9:04:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

Ahhh,  yes.  The "middleman".  I think Webster's describes this person  as
"The one who profits most from a business transaction or sale".   Sadly,
I'm always the "bottom man" which Webster's describes as "The one  who
most benefits others through unselfish business transactions".  I  may
have a different version of Webster's than most of you  though...

Tommy Turner
Magnolia,  KY

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From kimmell at verizon.net  Thu Apr 16 06:17:19 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:17:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <BLU102-W33CB1A1DA6DB7752114CD2C27A0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.1.1239811202.6505.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<LPEOJIEEKCJPAJKCNEGAMEJLDIAA.jon@sideshaft.com>
	<BLU102-W33CB1A1DA6DB7752114CD2C27A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0KI7003VR3L3TYMC@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>

Sounds like me, but with cars... LOL

-Tony


At 07:42 AM 4/16/2009, you wrote:
>Yes Jon, it did pass thru your hands but it came from NC.   You 
>kinda were like Walmart, just get em from somewhere and re-distribute  :)  lol
>
>Tom




From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 16 06:33:42 2009
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:33:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <c7a.54947ab6.37188a3c@aol.com>
References: <c7a.54947ab6.37188a3c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU102-W50C17F0A64754724300A13C27A0@phx.gbl>


Good one Kevin,  LOL

 

Tom
 
> From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:18:52 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
> 
> I have a good friend that always said. (My daddy was into a fast woman and 
> a slow race horses). He never had a penny to his name. 
> I have always told Jon and Tom its better to give than receive. There 
> having issues with this or there not listening. So the next best thing. I will 
> run down to Rite Aid and get some Q Tips so they can clean those ears up a 
> bit. Think this will help?
> KK
> 
> 
> In a message dated 4/16/2009 9:04:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:
> 
> Ahhh, yes. The "middleman". I think Webster's describes this person as
> "The one who profits most from a business transaction or sale". Sadly,
> I'm always the "bottom man" which Webster's describes as "The one who
> most benefits others through unselfish business transactions". I may
> have a different version of Webster's than most of you though...
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
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> $479 
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Thu Apr 16 08:06:06 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:06:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <c7a.54947ab6.37188a3c@aol.com>
References: <c7a.54947ab6.37188a3c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0KI7005PK8MFZZXT@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>

At 08:18 AM 4/16/2009, you wrote:
>I have a good friend that always said. (My daddy was into a fast 
>woman and  a slow race horses). He never had a penny to his name.


Natural gas Vern!  Kinda like your first wife: Hot, fast and 
cheap!  Knowutimean?

;-)

-Tony



From rotigel at me.com  Thu Apr 16 09:57:17 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:57:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <AD41EB0C006F4B008AD4ADC163D71C18@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <AD41EB0C006F4B008AD4ADC163D71C18@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <DBA00B91-1CF7-4EA8-BD0D-44C7C9037EB0@me.com>


On Apr 16, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> Well Kevin, the only thing I know is I used to own that darn thing.
> Tommy Turner

Hi Mr. Judge, What you have never known (until now) is that I bought  
the damned thing NEW!
	Dave


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Apr 16 10:43:26 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:43:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <DBA00B91-1CF7-4EA8-BD0D-44C7C9037EB0@me.com>
Message-ID: <A93BAD2E73F3403E896E131AE9C34B2D@tommyd0x52gkco>

Wow Dave.  I knew you looked old... just not THAT OLD! (I guess that's a
compliment).

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David
Rotigel
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:57 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)


On Apr 16, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> Well Kevin, the only thing I know is I used to own that darn thing.
> Tommy Turner

Hi Mr. Judge, What you have never known (until now) is that I bought  
the damned thing NEW!
	Dave
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu Apr 16 11:03:19 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:03:19 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <A93BAD2E73F3403E896E131AE9C34B2D@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <A93BAD2E73F3403E896E131AE9C34B2D@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <C4B50AAC-6B6A-41FC-8078-9D1737EA504B@rustyiron.com>


On Apr 16, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> Wow Dave.  I knew you looked old... just not THAT OLD! (I guess  
> that's a
> compliment).


Hey, Tommy.  Dave does a daily rubdown with linseed oil
and ATF to achieve his weathered, but well-kept patina.








From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Apr 16 11:21:40 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:21:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <C4B50AAC-6B6A-41FC-8078-9D1737EA504B@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <5D728565D2B74E34831507FA38CB00A0@tommyd0x52gkco>

Yeah Rob, we've learned that ATF is very effective against corrosion and
linseed oil is a great preservative.  Dave's got a double plus though.
Alcohol is also a good preservative.  I'd bet Dave's "innerds" are as
good as new!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Skinner
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:03 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)


On Apr 16, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> Wow Dave.  I knew you looked old... just not THAT OLD! (I guess  
> that's a
> compliment).


Hey, Tommy.  Dave does a daily rubdown with linseed oil
and ATF to achieve his weathered, but well-kept patina.






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From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Apr 16 14:06:41 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:06:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <C4B50AAC-6B6A-41FC-8078-9D1737EA504B@rustyiron.com>
References: <A93BAD2E73F3403E896E131AE9C34B2D@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<C4B50AAC-6B6A-41FC-8078-9D1737EA504B@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <20090416210638.A95553E447C@mail05.wcoil.com>

At 02:03 PM 4/16/2009, you wrote:

>On Apr 16, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
> > Wow Dave.  I knew you looked old... just not THAT OLD! (I guess
> > that's a
> > compliment).
>
>From: Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com>
>Hey, Tommy.  Dave does a daily rubdown with linseed oil
>and ATF to achieve his weathered, but well-kept patina.

And its applied by a Geisha Girl of the exotic type!        Mark

Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site   www.Maytagclub.com 



From rotigel at me.com  Thu Apr 16 15:08:31 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:08:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <20090416210638.A95553E447C@mail05.wcoil.com>
References: <A93BAD2E73F3403E896E131AE9C34B2D@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<C4B50AAC-6B6A-41FC-8078-9D1737EA504B@rustyiron.com>
	<20090416210638.A95553E447C@mail05.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <9D2794C6-5AB0-43FD-B376-E2E5FB14D34D@me.com>

>>
>
> And its applied by a Geisha Girl of the exotic type!        Mark
>
> Mark Shulaw

Almost right Mark--but the word is EROTIC!
	Dave


From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Apr 16 19:33:55 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:33:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <9D2794C6-5AB0-43FD-B376-E2E5FB14D34D@me.com>
References: <A93BAD2E73F3403E896E131AE9C34B2D@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<C4B50AAC-6B6A-41FC-8078-9D1737EA504B@rustyiron.com>
	<20090416210638.A95553E447C@mail05.wcoil.com>
	<9D2794C6-5AB0-43FD-B376-E2E5FB14D34D@me.com>
Message-ID: <20090417023352.6F4AC1D0CB7@mail04.wcoil.com>

At 06:08 PM 4/16/2009, you wrote:
> >>
> >
> > And its applied by a Geisha Girl of the exotic type!        Mark
> >
> > Mark Shulaw
>
>Almost right Mark--but the word is EROTIC!
>         Dave

With a geisha that goes unsaid,   ;-) 



From marinesurveys at msn.com  Fri Apr 17 02:21:53 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 05:21:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] BACC's 35th Annual Gas & Seam Engine Show
In-Reply-To: <E009AE52A0E04CF4ABB28268C8150DEC@JIMDUNMYER>
References: <E009AE52A0E04CF4ABB28268C8150DEC@JIMDUNMYER>
Message-ID: <COL106-W34F104B333062B615F7BFBB47B0@phx.gbl>


Hi all;

I've been on a quest to find any info on early 1900's US Navy 

2 Cycle marine engines, someone provided a pic of the same Engine I have

that was my dad's in a boat when I was younger that was seen @ a show

at Mystic Seaport Ct.

 

If any one happens to see this @ the BACC's 35th Annual Gas & Seam Engine Show

I would love to contact the owner, for further info on his engine.

 

Thanks for any help / info out there.

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm         

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 


From: jdunmyer at toltbbs.com
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: Fw: BACC's 35th Annual Gas & Seam Engine Show
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:01:28 -0400




 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Belltown Antique Car Club 
To: R.J. Phil 
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:23 AM
Subject: BACC's 35th Annual Gas & Seam Engine Show





Hi - 
   This is a reminder that the Belltown Antique Car Club will be holding our 35th Annual Gas & Steam Engine Show on Sunday April 26 at the Firemans Grounds, Rt 16 at the Salmon River State Forest in East Hampton, CT. Many beautiful examples of antique engines and tractors will be on display, some of them giving running demonstrations. If you love antique engines, this is one of the first shows of the year, a real must-see. For more information and directions, please visit our website at http://www.belltownantiquecarclub.org . Thanks very much !! 

r.j. phil, webmaster 
860-267-4617

http://www.belltownantiquecarclub.org




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Apr 17 05:47:01 2009
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:47:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS2EB478BBA1EC9F1D60CCFBB7B0@phx.gbl>


  And a very Happy Birthday to Mr. Paul Maples on this fine day!!  Thanks 
for what you do and have a Good One.

Ya got a year on me Paul.

RickinMt. 



From gastzt at aol.com  Fri Apr 17 05:59:50 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:59:50 EDT
Subject: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday
Message-ID: <c28.54094f56.3719d746@aol.com>

wonder if Paul is any kin to Mr. Hugh Maples over in Seguin,  Texas???  He 
used to ba an electrician years ago!!!!
  Stan,
Pleasanton, Tx
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Apr 17 06:06:36 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:06:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DS2EB478BBA1EC9F1D60CCFBB7B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY113-DS2EB478BBA1EC9F1D60CCFBB7B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090417130633.236553A8403@mail03.wcoil.com>

At 08:47 AM 4/17/2009, you wrote:

>   And a very Happy Birthday to Mr. Paul Maples on this fine day!!  Thanks
>for what you do and have a Good One.
>
>Ya got a year on me Paul.
>
>RickinMt.

Seems Paul and I share a month and day in history. Happy BD 
Paul.           Mark


Mark Shulaw
Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601





From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 17 18:39:02 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:39:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday
References: <c28.54094f56.3719d746@aol.com>
Message-ID: <95BF9AD83514477FB8229C6C4CB4373E@PAUL>

No Stan as far as I know I am no relation to Hugh Maples.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <gastzt at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday


wonder if Paul is any kin to Mr. Hugh Maples over in Seguin,  Texas???  He
used to ba an electrician years ago!!!!
  Stan,
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 17 18:39:43 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:39:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday
References: <BAY113-DS2EB478BBA1EC9F1D60CCFBB7B0@phx.gbl>
	<20090417130633.236553A8403@mail03.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <CEED45C0EEF149A79A0008B8F0E7275E@PAUL>

Back at you Mark.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday


> At 08:47 AM 4/17/2009, you wrote:
>
>>   And a very Happy Birthday to Mr. Paul Maples on this fine day!!  Thanks
>>for what you do and have a Good One.
>>
>>Ya got a year on me Paul.
>>
>>RickinMt.
>
> Seems Paul and I share a month and day in history. Happy BD
> Paul.           Mark
>
>
> Mark Shulaw
> Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601
>
>
>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 17 18:38:23 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:38:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday
References: <BAY113-DS2EB478BBA1EC9F1D60CCFBB7B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <293991F3694C4268BA0CF3874CF9428E@PAUL>

Thanks Rick for remembering me, it is nice to know that you are thought of 
in far away places.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 6:47 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday


>
>  And a very Happy Birthday to Mr. Paul Maples on this fine day!!  Thanks 
> for what you do and have a Good One.
>
> Ya got a year on me Paul.
>
> RickinMt.
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Fri Apr 17 18:01:12 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:01:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday
References: <BAY113-DS2EB478BBA1EC9F1D60CCFBB7B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000e01c9bfc1$2b1f6180$66674b47@mikecomp>

Way to go Paul, many more to come!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday


> 
>  And a very Happy Birthday to Mr. Paul Maples on this fine day!!  Thanks 
> for what you do and have a Good One.
> 
> Ya got a year on me Paul.
> 
> RickinMt. 
> 
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 17 19:09:43 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:09:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday
References: <BAY113-DS2EB478BBA1EC9F1D60CCFBB7B0@phx.gbl>
	<000e01c9bfc1$2b1f6180$66674b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <871275D66FEF4BBA8F444E1324C8CB7B@PAUL>

Thanks Mike,
Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...Big Birthday


> Way to go Paul, many more to come!
> 
> MR
> 


From rotigel at me.com  Fri Apr 17 21:26:06 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:26:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse N (Tom Winland)
In-Reply-To: <C4B50AAC-6B6A-41FC-8078-9D1737EA504B@rustyiron.com>
References: <A93BAD2E73F3403E896E131AE9C34B2D@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<C4B50AAC-6B6A-41FC-8078-9D1737EA504B@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <860653EC-D22F-49E8-8CD9-923F7A7CFE94@me.com>


On Apr 16, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Rob Skinner wrote:
>>
> Hey, Tommy.  Dave does a daily rubdown with linseed oil
> and ATF to achieve his weathered, but well-kept patina.


It's NOT the mixture that's important Rob, it's who's doing the rubbing!
	Dave


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Apr 18 23:01:50 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:01:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
Message-ID: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>

Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Apr 18 23:44:57 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:44:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>

Last week, I phoned the sec. of the Hunter Valley club and told him I would 
be attending Steamfest at Maitland. I asked him to save me a space for 5 
models.
I duly arrived Sat morning at 8.30am, to find the site full,  with exhibits 
spread to fill the site. On asking the sec, "Did you not save me a place", I 
was told, "I dont save any space for anyone".
I then returned home.
Now, I ask, Is this the way to have a club go?
The facts above ARE as they occurred.
I made NO further comment. I just left.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 4:01 PM
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics


> Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>
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From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Sun Apr 19 00:26:05 2009
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:26:05 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
	<86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
Message-ID: <49EAD20D.4010600@optusnet.com.au>

R & M Ingold wrote:
> Last week, I phoned the sec. of the Hunter Valley club and told him I would 
> be attending Steamfest at Maitland. I asked him to save me a space for 5 
> models.
> I duly arrived Sat morning at 8.30am, to find the site full,  with exhibits 
> spread to fill the site. On asking the sec, "Did you not save me a place", I 
> was told, "I dont save any space for anyone".
> I then returned home.
> Now, I ask, Is this the way to have a club go?
> The facts above ARE as they occurred.
> I made NO further comment. I just left.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>   
Reg, if you'd like to come to the 13th National Rally at Fairbridge 
Farm, here (near Perth)  in September 2011, we'll make sure you have a 
good space and you can be assured of good old Western Australian 
hospitality.

Jack



From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Sun Apr 19 00:46:25 2009
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:46:25 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <49EAD6D1.2090101@optusnet.com.au>

Patrick wrote:
> Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>   
Thanks Patrick

Always pleased to see pics of engines with blurred flywheel spokes and 
the sight-glass lubricator levers standing to attention.
A few haybales here and there for people to sit on are always welcome, too.

Jack



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Apr 19 02:35:20 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:35:20 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au><86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
	<49EAD20D.4010600@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <2C43E2226A3E48B1A707539CF4A77A7E@REG>

Jack, thanks for the reply.
I am in the middle of a battle of words with the Sec at this time.
Be assured that I will pass it all on.

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack" <nadejack at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics


>R & M Ingold wrote:
>> Last week, I phoned the sec. of the Hunter Valley club and told him I 
>> would
>> be attending Steamfest at Maitland. I asked him to save me a space for 5
>> models.
>> I duly arrived Sat morning at 8.30am, to find the site full,  with 
>> exhibits
>> spread to fill the site. On asking the sec, "Did you not save me a 
>> place", I
>> was told, "I dont save any space for anyone".
>> I then returned home.
>> Now, I ask, Is this the way to have a club go?
>> The facts above ARE as they occurred.
>> I made NO further comment. I just left.
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
> Reg, if you'd like to come to the 13th National Rally at Fairbridge
> Farm, here (near Perth)  in September 2011, we'll make sure you have a
> good space and you can be assured of good old Western Australian
> hospitality.
>
> Jack
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Apr 19 03:02:01 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:02:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] National Rally Pics
Message-ID: <C61133B9.E55%pml1@bigpond.net.au>

A rainy afternoon here has given me some time to sort out some pics from the
National Rally at Murray Bridge.
These ones were taken by Ron Sullivan:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mb09_1/index.htm

More to come!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Sun Apr 19 03:23:37 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:23:37 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
	<86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
Message-ID: <49EAFBA9.7060200@steamengine.com.au>

Reg, I don't believe you! I believe it happened, but I don't believe you 
didn't make any further comment :).

It is a sad state of affairs. I can understand the not reserving space 
policy - otherwise you get gaps when people don't show, but he should 
have had the courtesy to tell you the policy when you rang him.

Regards
Paul

R & M Ingold wrote:
> Last week, I phoned the sec. of the Hunter Valley club and told him I would 
> be attending Steamfest at Maitland. I asked him to save me a space for 5 
> models.
> I duly arrived Sat morning at 8.30am, to find the site full,  with exhibits 
> spread to fill the site. On asking the sec, "Did you not save me a place", I 
> was told, "I dont save any space for anyone".
> I then returned home.
> Now, I ask, Is this the way to have a club go?
> The facts above ARE as they occurred.
> I made NO further comment. I just left.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>   



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Apr 19 05:20:12 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 08:20:12 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
Message-ID: <d24.46858ed3.371c70fc@aol.com>

Patrick,
 
What a great collection of blow torches. Thanks for all the pictures!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 19 09:29:44 2009
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:29:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
Message-ID: <874662.3509.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Sorry about sending the Wow note to Jerry instead of you. As I said gread job.



?Ron Frost
??http://picasaweb.google.com/ronfrost217/MyPhotos
?
Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise

--- On Sun, 4/19/09, Patrick <pml1 at bigpond.net.au> wrote:


From: Patrick <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>, "Oldengine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 2:01 AM


Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html



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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Apr 19 13:48:00 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:48:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] No Room at the Rally
In-Reply-To: <86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
	<86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
Message-ID: <c699a16ed46d51a55b271beccae01a1f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Reg,

I will NEVER understand the bizarre way that you Aussies & the Brits run your
rallys.  The idea of turning away an exhibitor who turns up with a great engine
exhibit because "the site is full" would just NEVER occur in the US.  You can ALWAYS
shift things around and make room for one more exhibit.

The mind boggles....

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, April 19, 2009 2:44 am, R & M Ingold wrote:
> Last week, I phoned the sec. of the Hunter Valley club and told him I would
> be attending Steamfest at Maitland. I asked him to save me a space for 5
> models.
> I duly arrived Sat morning at 8.30am, to find the site full,  with exhibits
> spread to fill the site. On asking the sec, "Did you not save me a place", I
> was told, "I dont save any space for anyone".
> I then returned home.
> Now, I ask, Is this the way to have a club go?
> The facts above ARE as they occurred.
> I made NO further comment. I just left.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold





From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Apr 19 15:08:35 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:08:35 +1000
Subject: [SEL] hunter Steamfest
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au><86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
	<49EAFBA9.7060200@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <9516FEC0DC6344DBA91B9D41AC70E535@REG>

Mate, I really did say nothing at that time.
You might like to read the mail over it.:-

Reg
 You can ask me to save a space for you all you like the answer will be  the
same, I DO NOT SAVE SPACES FOR ANYBODY NEVER HAVE NEVER WILL.
 Regards Ron Smith

Reg
 P.S By the way I'm not your black boy.
 Regards


I did think, as you ARE part of the club executive, that you may have
said I would be there, and, as such a space could have been allocated for
me. I do not regard that as 'Black Boy' stuff.
 Reg

Reg
 I do NOT regard you as SPECIAL fend for yourself
 Regards
 Ron Smith

Ok, lets lay this on the line.
 As an official of the club,and having informed you I would be attending, I
did expect to be able to show.
 I did not think this unreasonable.
 It would appear I was wrong  in this assumption.
 I assume this is now club organisation policy?
 So, to give me guidelines, WHAT IS THE PROCEEDURE for being able to have a
show site?
 I wish to pass this information to others who may wish to exhibit in
future times.
 For your information, I do NOT regard myself as 'Special"
 I just tried to follow what I thought was reasonable proceedure prior to
attending an event.
Reg

I have made my protest. Matter now closed as far as I am concerned.
Perhaps there is a lesson in here for others thinking of attending.




Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Pavlinovich" <pjp08 at steamengine.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics


> Reg, I don't believe you! I believe it happened, but I don't believe you
> didn't make any further comment :).
>
> It is a sad state of affairs. I can understand the not reserving space
> policy - otherwise you get gaps when people don't show, but he should
> have had the courtesy to tell you the policy when you rang him.
>
> Regards
> Paul
>
> R & M Ingold wrote:
>> Last week, I phoned the sec. of the Hunter Valley club and told him I
>> would
>> be attending Steamfest at Maitland. I asked him to save me a space for 5
>> models.
>> I duly arrived Sat morning at 8.30am, to find the site full,  with
>> exhibits
>> spread to fill the site. On asking the sec, "Did you not save me a
>> place", I
>> was told, "I dont save any space for anyone".
>> I then returned home.
>> Now, I ask, Is this the way to have a club go?
>> The facts above ARE as they occurred.
>> I made NO further comment. I just left.
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>>
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Apr 19 15:22:56 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:22:56 +0800
Subject: [SEL] No Room at the Rally
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au><86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
	<c699a16ed46d51a55b271beccae01a1f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <907CE77A8855411B88C0F0210F094672@your9e74d7efa7>

Arnie ........rest assured that we are not all like that !Those club people 
that i associate with are quite the opposite ,squeeze them in where you can.
It seems to be the province of little men with beards who carry on this way 
....control freaks!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] No Room at the Rally


> G'day Reg,
>
> I will NEVER understand the bizarre way that you Aussies & the Brits run 
> your
> rallys.  The idea of turning away an exhibitor who turns up with a great 
> engine
> exhibit because "the site is full" would just NEVER occur in the US.  You 
> can ALWAYS
> shift things around and make room for one more exhibit.
>
> The mind boggles....
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Sun, April 19, 2009 2:44 am, R & M Ingold wrote:
>> Last week, I phoned the sec. of the Hunter Valley club and told him I 
>> would
>> be attending Steamfest at Maitland. I asked him to save me a space for 5
>> models.
>> I duly arrived Sat morning at 8.30am, to find the site full,  with 
>> exhibits
>> spread to fill the site. On asking the sec, "Did you not save me a 
>> place", I
>> was told, "I dont save any space for anyone".
>> I then returned home.
>> Now, I ask, Is this the way to have a club go?
>> The facts above ARE as they occurred.
>> I made NO further comment. I just left.
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>
>
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> 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 19 15:31:00 2009
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:31:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] hunter Steamfest
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au><86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG><49EAFBA9.7060200@steamengine.com.au>
	<9516FEC0DC6344DBA91B9D41AC70E535@REG>
Message-ID: <735ECC304D2940F09240EBA766BCD9CD@PAUL>

WOW Reg, I would say this Ron Smith needs to be put out to pasteur, I sure 
would not want him being part of my club let along an officer of the club.

Like Arnie said earlier in a message, every show I have went to there was 
always room made for anyone who showed up to show regardless of whether they 
advised anyone or not. This kind of action seems strange to us USA engine 
guys.

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] hunter Steamfest


> Mate, I really did say nothing at that time.
> You might like to read the mail over it.:-
>
> Reg
> You can ask me to save a space for you all you like the answer will be 
> the
> same, I DO NOT SAVE SPACES FOR ANYBODY NEVER HAVE NEVER WILL.
> Regards Ron Smith
>
> Reg
> P.S By the way I'm not your black boy.
> Regards



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Apr 19 16:14:16 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:14:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Off Topic:  Need a Sprayer?
Message-ID: <c968f596aacc7463dc910a636cd99638.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Spring's here and it's time to spray those trees and shrubs.
And here's the sprayer that you need!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260396538074

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com





From edsengns at optusnet.com.au  Sun Apr 19 16:21:25 2009
From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:21:25 +1000
Subject: [SEL] hunter Steamfest
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au><86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG><49EAFBA9.7060200@steamengine.com.au><9516FEC0DC6344DBA91B9D41AC70E535@REG>
	<735ECC304D2940F09240EBA766BCD9CD@PAUL>
Message-ID: <13EBF572532C4C56AABECC8910AF59BD@Edd>

Guys.I know REG and RON personally and they are both great blokes.For many 
years I have been to rally's held by the Hunter club and there has never 
been any trouble.Ron has been in the club as long as I can remember.Now all 
that said I didn't go to the rally so cant make a comment on it personally 
but events held by that club are usually very easy on the exhibitors.When 
you arrive you just ask where to go and the answer is usually find a space 
that suits you.Same with safety issues,do as you would with common sense and 
you don't get hassled not like some other rally's where if your engine is 
one inch out of position or you want to go with a friend you are told  what 
you must do.I could just about say with certainty that if I had showed up 
with some engines I would have found a spot and not been turned away.You 
just got to remember that Reg has had on going bad feelings with some people 
in the Hunter club for many years and at times it comes to the surface.
EDD PAYNE
PO Box 3649 Gulgong N.S.W
Australia
2852
Phone:0263742387
edsengns at optusnet.com.au
edsengns
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] hunter Steamfest


> WOW Reg, I would say this Ron Smith needs to be put out to pasteur, I sure
> would not want him being part of my club let along an officer of the club.
>
> Like Arnie said earlier in a message, every show I have went to there was
> always room made for anyone who showed up to show regardless of whether 
> they
> advised anyone or not. This kind of action seems strange to us USA engine
> guys.
>
> Paul
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 4:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] hunter Steamfest
>
>
>> Mate, I really did say nothing at that time.
>> You might like to read the mail over it.:-
>>
>> Reg
>> You can ask me to save a space for you all you like the answer will be
>> the
>> same, I DO NOT SAVE SPACES FOR ANYBODY NEVER HAVE NEVER WILL.
>> Regards Ron Smith
>>
>> Reg
>> P.S By the way I'm not your black boy.
>> Regards
>
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From camaned at iinet.net.au  Sun Apr 19 19:37:06 2009
From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:37:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <D2CFB545EB3149ACB93C1689E641A737@CamPC>


Cam and Edina Grundy
Kariong.
New South Wales.
PH 43401214
MOB 0409250803
Australia.


From bethell at internode.on.net  Sun Apr 19 20:26:58 2009
From: bethell at internode.on.net (Jim&Geraldine Bethell)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:26:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Test
In-Reply-To: <D2CFB545EB3149ACB93C1689E641A737@CamPC>
References: <D2CFB545EB3149ACB93C1689E641A737@CamPC>
Message-ID: <71D899D74FF345EFB35FCFFE54FA0FDC@bethelllaptop>

Yes Cam you are working, got home ok from the National?
regards
Jimbo
Jim & Geraldine Bethell
12 Fush Place 
Mildura Victoria 3500
03-50213414
0427-213414
http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cam and Ed" <camaned at iinet.net.au>
To: "SEL MAIL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 12:37 PM
Subject: [SEL] Test


> 
> Cam and Edina Grundy
> Kariong.
> New South Wales.
> PH 43401214
> MOB 0409250803
> Australia.
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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Apr 19 21:46:42 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:46:42 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
	<86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
Message-ID: <9A3AC962-EE38-43E1-949A-FE8CAE39E4E5@me.com>

Hi Mate, Two questions.
	1.) Did the man ever tell you he would save as space for you? 2. )  
Did he try to find some other space for you when you gt there?
	Dave

On Apr 19, 2009, at 2:44 AM, R & M Ingold wrote:

> Last week, I phoned the sec. of the Hunter Valley club and told him  
> I would
> be attending Steamfest at Maitland. I asked him to save me a space  
> for 5
> models.
> I duly arrived Sat morning at 8.30am, to find the site full,  with  
> exhibits
> spread to fill the site. On asking the sec, "Did you not save me a  
> place", I
> was told, "I dont save any space for anyone".
> I then returned home.
> Now, I ask, Is this the way to have a club go?
> The facts above ARE as they occurred.
> I made NO further comment. I just left.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine"
> <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 4:01 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
>
>
>> Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:
>>
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm
>>
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
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From ilifa at internode.on.net  Sun Apr 19 22:05:24 2009
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:05:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <9A3AC962-EE38-43E1-949A-FE8CAE39E4E5@me.com>
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
	<86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
	<9A3AC962-EE38-43E1-949A-FE8CAE39E4E5@me.com>
Message-ID: <92F60411-F220-4DEE-8D80-BF25446C1F12@internode.on.net>

May I suggest that this engine rally argument stops right now. A  
public forum is not the place to air personal grievances. Would you  
like your name dragged through the mud?

Eric


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Apr 19 23:17:22 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:17:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] National Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <C61133B9.E55%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <C6125092.E8D%pml1@bigpond.net.au>

Another batch of National Rally Pics at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mb09_2/index.htm

These ones were taken by Alan Wheaton. More to come..



Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Sun Apr 19 23:20:29 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:20:29 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <92F60411-F220-4DEE-8D80-BF25446C1F12@internode.on.net>
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>	<86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>	<9A3AC962-EE38-43E1-949A-FE8CAE39E4E5@me.com>
	<92F60411-F220-4DEE-8D80-BF25446C1F12@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <49EC142D.6000807@rustic-engines.com>

Only as an advertising sign on the side of a Field Marshall at a tractor 
pull.

Cheers,

Al Harris
Autumn Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Eric Schulz wrote:
> May I suggest that this engine rally argument stops right now. A  
> public forum is not the place to air personal grievances. Would you  
> like your name dragged through the mud?
>
> Eric
>
>   


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Apr 20 00:26:50 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:26:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au><86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG><9A3AC962-EE38-43E1-949A-FE8CAE39E4E5@me.com>
	<92F60411-F220-4DEE-8D80-BF25446C1F12@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <BE8A0AC56FAC4BE0A23ACB2BA62307D6@REG>

Point taken. I asked for comment because I needed to widen my perspective of 
this. For or against.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Schulz" <ilifa at internode.on.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics


> May I suggest that this engine rally argument stops right now. A
> public forum is not the place to air personal grievances. Would you
> like your name dragged through the mud?
>
> Eric
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Apr 20 00:47:48 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:47:48 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au><86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
	<9A3AC962-EE38-43E1-949A-FE8CAE39E4E5@me.com>
Message-ID: <A8C7E73BA9A04053A39BF91B6249437B@REG>

No to both.
I stand corrected.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics


> Hi Mate, Two questions.
> 1.) Did the man ever tell you he would save as space for you? 2. )  
> Did he try to find some other space for you when you gt there?
> Dave
> 
> On Apr 19, 2009, at 2:44 AM, R & M Ingold wrote:
> 
>> Last week, I phoned the sec. of the Hunter Valley club and told him  
>> I would
>> be attending Steamfest at Maitland. I asked him to save me a space  
>> for 5
>> models.
>> I duly arrived Sat morning at 8.30am, to find the site full,  with  
>> exhibits
>> spread to fill the site. On asking the sec, "Did you not save me a  
>> place", I
>> was told, "I dont save any space for anyone".
>> I then returned home.
>> Now, I ask, Is this the way to have a club go?
>> The facts above ARE as they occurred.
>> I made NO further comment. I just left.
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Patrick" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>> To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine"
>> <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 4:01 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
>>
>>
>>> Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:
>>>
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick M Livingstone
>>> Leichhardt NSW
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>
>>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Apr 20 02:07:08 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:07:08 +1000
Subject: [SEL] hunter Steamfest
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au><86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG><49EAFBA9.7060200@steamengine.com.au><9516FEC0DC6344DBA91B9D41AC70E535@REG>
	<735ECC304D2940F09240EBA766BCD9CD@PAUL>
Message-ID: <9D8B82EDB9154877B5AB4C5202D853C9@REG>

At this point in time, I wish to say that, having received the reception I 
got at the event, I was 'not happy'.
After sitting back and thinking on it, Mr Smith was not the cause of the 
outcome.
I 'assumed' that I had done the 'right thing'. As such, I judged, on my 
perception of things.
 For that reason, I contacted Mr Smith with my thoughts. Having had feedback 
from those I asked for comments, I accept that my view was less than 
accurate from an ' outside' onlookers view.
As of now, I wish to apologise for asking for views of others on this 
matter.
There are times when other imput helps get a perspective on an event.
In real terms, this is nothing.
My apologies to all who read this 'difference of opinion'.
I apologise to Mr Smith for having put on him, what was not his concern.
I will not put myself in this position in future times.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] hunter Steamfest


> WOW Reg, I would say this Ron Smith needs to be put out to pasteur, I sure
> would not want him being part of my club let along an officer of the club.
>
> Like Arnie said earlier in a message, every show I have went to there was
> always room made for anyone who showed up to show regardless of whether 
> they
> advised anyone or not. This kind of action seems strange to us USA engine
> guys.
>
> Paul
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 4:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] hunter Steamfest
>
>
>> Mate, I really did say nothing at that time.
>> You might like to read the mail over it.:-
>>
>> Reg
>> You can ask me to save a space for you all you like the answer will be
>> the
>> same, I DO NOT SAVE SPACES FOR ANYBODY NEVER HAVE NEVER WILL.
>> Regards Ron Smith
>>
>> Reg
>> P.S By the way I'm not your black boy.
>> Regards
>
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Apr 20 03:46:50 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:46:50 +1000
Subject: [SEL] National Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <C6125092.E8D%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <C6128FBA.EA5%pml1@bigpond.net.au>

A third batch of pics at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mb09_3/index.htm

I will sort the rest out later in the week. There should be enough to keep
you all amused for a while :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From rotigel at me.com  Mon Apr 20 07:20:49 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:20:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <A8C7E73BA9A04053A39BF91B6249437B@REG>
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
	<86127949DB42469E839E1002A1A66A50@REG>
	<9A3AC962-EE38-43E1-949A-FE8CAE39E4E5@me.com>
	<A8C7E73BA9A04053A39BF91B6249437B@REG>
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Hi Reg,
	I don't know of any shows here in the US (with the exception of  
Zolfo) where space is saved for individuals by those who organize the  
show. That being said I also don't know of any show where show  
organizers wouldn't help find space for anyone who arrives at a show  
with an exhibit!
	Dave
PS, My experience, however, is limited--I attend only about 14-16  
shows a tear.

On Apr 20, 2009, at 3:47 AM, R & M Ingold wrote:

> No to both.
> I stand corrected.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
>
>
>> Hi Mate, Two questions.
>> 1.) Did the man ever tell you he would save as space for you? 2. )
>> Did he try to find some other space for you when you gt there?
>> Dave


From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Apr 20 07:16:44 2009
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:16:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Re:  No Room at the Rally
Message-ID: <20090420.101701.1532.3.jlb94>


This happened to a Model Exhibitor at Portersville, PA a couple years
ago.
He came to me bitching (cause I was the one he knows) and said they
didn't have a model table.
I said, "Hold on - I'll see what I can do".
After talking to the manager of the Engine Lot, we found a spot for this
guy to set up a table.

Being involved with several shows, I find that some people feel they have
"authority" and actually have none.
It's always good to talk to more than one person.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/     "If you want to test your memory - 
   (_o_)       Try to remember the things that worried you yesterday."
 
 
G'day Reg,
 
I will NEVER understand the bizarre way that you Aussies & the Brits run
your
rallys.  The idea of turning away an exhibitor who turns up with a great
engine
exhibit because "the site is full" would just NEVER occur in the US.  You
can ALWAYS
shift things around and make room for one more exhibit.
 
The mind boggles....
 
See ya,  Arnie
 
On Sun, April 19, 2009 2:44 am, R & M Ingold wrote:
> Last week, I phoned the sec. of the Hunter Valley club and told him I
would
> be attending Steamfest at Maitland. I asked him to save me a space for
5
> models.
> I duly arrived Sat morning at 8.30am, to find the site full,  with
exhibits
> spread to fill the site. On asking the sec, "Did you not save me a
place", I
> was told, "I dont save any space for anyone".
> I then returned home.
> Now, I ask, Is this the way to have a club go?
> The facts above ARE as they occurred.
> I made NO further comment. I just left.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
 
 
 
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Apr 20 08:05:23 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:05:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <20090420150515.2E99576B834C@mail07.wcoil.com>

Great pic, Some really interesting items, I really liked seeing the 
Termaat & Monahan with the patch to the cylinder. I like seeing 
period repairs like that. Shows off someones skills and inventiveness 
to keep a piece working with what one had at hand.   Mark


At 02:01 AM 4/19/2009, you wrote:
>Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Apr 20 09:41:44 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:41:44 +0200
Subject: [SEL] hunter Steamfest
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1240243202.3135.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090420183101.01f69210@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 20/04/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:31:00 -0600
>From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] hunter Steamfest
>
>WOW Reg, I would say this Ron Smith needs to be put out to pasteur,
<big snip>
>Paul

I like your thinking Paul,
         You mean like "boil all the S--T" out of him. <Grin>.

P.S. Sorry Paul, I just could not resist that one :-)
P.P.S. I was told years ago to NEVER correct and old engine guys spelling 
(by an Aussie friend) but this one was just too relevant for me to 
"shuddup" <another big grin>

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Apr 20 10:48:39 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:48:39 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1240243202.3135.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090420184330.01f10438@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 20/04/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 11
>Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:05:24 +1000
>From: Eric Schulz <ilifa at internode.on.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>May I suggest that this engine rally argument stops right now. A
>public forum is not the place to air personal grievances. Would you
>like your name dragged through the mud?
>Eric

With all due respect Eric - not just yet.
         Remember that many of us only get the Digest version of the SEL 
(Mine has just come in).
         It's very "On Topic" and I feel that this list is a good place to 
air it. Problems like this could affect any one of us and if we never 
discuss them we will be doing the hobby a disservice.
         Talking (or writing) about these problems with your mates is a 
good way of getting opinions and helps us all not get into the same rut in 
future.
         Having read all the replies  (in my digest version) I think that 
there is some pretty good dialogue going on here from both sides. Dave has 
asked very relevant questions, Edd has put forward a very unbiased opinion, 
Arnie and others have commented.
         Is this not relevant to our hobby?
         That's just my "tuppence ha'pennies" worth.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
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From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Apr 20 11:03:10 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:03:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
In-Reply-To: <A428959906674B07B0FA232AD0F3CB25@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <20090414175130.C01814CA664@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
	<A428959906674B07B0FA232AD0F3CB25@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A9E06E4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

Sorry, but this isn't an off topic thread ;-)

The exhaust stack flange on my 12hp Ingeco is held in place by two 1/2"
studs to the engine head.

Unfortunately, the upper stud is missing and the hole is pretty well
stripped out with only a trace of threads still showing.  Only the back
of the hole still has enough thread left to hold a bolt in place when
pulled on by hand.  I'm sure if you put a nut on the stud the little bit
of thread wouldn't hold any pulling force.

I'm debating on how to fix it.

I could coat a 1/2" stud with JB Weld and put in place and let it cure,
hoping it will be strong enough to hold the exhaust stack in place.
Remember there is still one good stud so the JB Welded one is getting
some help from the other stud. 

Or.....

Rethread the stud hole for a 9/16" stud and then cut down the other end
of the stud and thread it for 1/2". (make a stepped stud, assuming the
hardware store doesn't already stock stepped studs)

I'm thinking rethreading for the larger size is probably the better way
to go, but was wondering if anyone has tried the JD Weld method and had
it work?

George


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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Mon Apr 20 11:20:16 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:20:16 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A9E06E4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
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Hi George, Would a Helicoil work? Jimmy, 415 892 0236

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:03 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud

Sorry, but this isn't an off topic thread ;-)

The exhaust stack flange on my 12hp Ingeco is held in place by two 1/2"
studs to the engine head.

Unfortunately, the upper stud is missing and the hole is pretty well
stripped out with only a trace of threads still showing.  Only the back
of the hole still has enough thread left to hold a bolt in place when
pulled on by hand.  I'm sure if you put a nut on the stud the little bit
of thread wouldn't hold any pulling force.

I'm debating on how to fix it.

I could coat a 1/2" stud with JB Weld and put in place and let it cure,
hoping it will be strong enough to hold the exhaust stack in place.
Remember there is still one good stud so the JB Welded one is getting
some help from the other stud. 

Or.....

Rethread the stud hole for a 9/16" stud and then cut down the other end
of the stud and thread it for 1/2". (make a stepped stud, assuming the
hardware store doesn't already stock stepped studs)

I'm thinking rethreading for the larger size is probably the better way
to go, but was wondering if anyone has tried the JD Weld method and had
it work?

George


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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Apr 20 11:31:45 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:31:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A9E06E4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <20090414175130.C01814CA664@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
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Message-ID: <9dea7d7f4bcb19fe119310de62477e1a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

George,  How dare you make an on-topic post?  Bloody radical...

Instead of the JB Weld fix, why not try a Helicoil?
http://www.helicoil.in/helicoil.htm

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, April 20, 2009 2:03 pm, Best, George wrote:
> Sorry, but this isn't an off topic thread ;-)
>
> The exhaust stack flange on my 12hp Ingeco is held in place by two 1/2"
> studs to the engine head.
>
> Unfortunately, the upper stud is missing and the hole is pretty well
> stripped out with only a trace of threads still showing.  Only the back
> of the hole still has enough thread left to hold a bolt in place when
> pulled on by hand.  I'm sure if you put a nut on the stud the little bit
> of thread wouldn't hold any pulling force.
>
> I'm debating on how to fix it.
>
> I could coat a 1/2" stud with JB Weld and put in place and let it cure,
> hoping it will be strong enough to hold the exhaust stack in place.
> Remember there is still one good stud so the JB Welded one is getting
> some help from the other stud.
>
> Or.....
>
> Rethread the stud hole for a 9/16" stud and then cut down the other end
> of the stud and thread it for 1/2". (make a stepped stud, assuming the
> hardware store doesn't already stock stepped studs)
>
> I'm thinking rethreading for the larger size is probably the better way
> to go, but was wondering if anyone has tried the JD Weld method and had
> it work?




From marinesurveys at msn.com  Mon Apr 20 11:22:41 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:22:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
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Suggestion, install a heli-coil {stainless Steel } and forget it,

The Exhuast wont be kind to  the J-B.

They also make "Thread-serts " but you need a bigger hole for them.

 

          My $.75 worth 

 

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> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:03:10 -0500
> From: George_Best at adp.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
> 
> Sorry, but this isn't an off topic thread ;-)
> 
> The exhaust stack flange on my 12hp Ingeco is held in place by two 1/2"
> studs to the engine head.
> 
> Unfortunately, the upper stud is missing and the hole is pretty well
> stripped out with only a trace of threads still showing. Only the back
> of the hole still has enough thread left to hold a bolt in place when
> pulled on by hand. I'm sure if you put a nut on the stud the little bit
> of thread wouldn't hold any pulling force.
> 
> I'm debating on how to fix it.
> 
> I could coat a 1/2" stud with JB Weld and put in place and let it cure,
> hoping it will be strong enough to hold the exhaust stack in place.
> Remember there is still one good stud so the JB Welded one is getting
> some help from the other stud. 
> 
> Or.....
> 
> Rethread the stud hole for a 9/16" stud and then cut down the other end
> of the stud and thread it for 1/2". (make a stepped stud, assuming the
> hardware store doesn't already stock stepped studs)
> 
> I'm thinking rethreading for the larger size is probably the better way
> to go, but was wondering if anyone has tried the JD Weld method and had
> it work?
> 
> George
> 
> 
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Apr 20 11:26:38 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:26:38 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
Message-ID: <20090420.112638.1972.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Heli-coil.  I just looked in the drawer.  I have the kit to do it, come
on down and lets fix it.

Ron Haskell
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 20 11:33:19 2009
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:33:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
Message-ID: <421711.50768.qm@web31506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Could you use a helicoil thread insert?
Joe
Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
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--- On Mon, 4/20/09, Best, George <George_Best at adp.com> wrote:

> From: Best, George <George_Best at adp.com>
> Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 1:03 PM
> Sorry, but this isn't an off topic
> thread ;-)
> 
> The exhaust stack flange on my 12hp Ingeco is held in place
> by two 1/2"
> studs to the engine head.
> 
> Unfortunately, the upper stud is missing and the hole is
> pretty well
> stripped out with only a trace of threads still
> showing.? Only the back
> of the hole still has enough thread left to hold a bolt in
> place when
> pulled on by hand.? I'm sure if you put a nut on the
> stud the little bit
> of thread wouldn't hold any pulling force.
> 
> I'm debating on how to fix it.
> 
> I could coat a 1/2" stud with JB Weld and put in place and
> let it cure,
> hoping it will be strong enough to hold the exhaust stack
> in place.
> Remember there is still one good stud so the JB Welded one
> is getting
> some help from the other stud. 
> 
> Or.....
> 
> Rethread the stud hole for a 9/16" stud and then cut down
> the other end
> of the stud and thread it for 1/2". (make a stepped stud,
> assuming the
> hardware store doesn't already stock stepped studs)
> 
> I'm thinking rethreading for the larger size is probably
> the better way
> to go, but was wondering if anyone has tried the JD Weld
> method and had
> it work?
> 
> George
> 
> 
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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Mon Apr 20 11:33:12 2009
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:33:12 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
Message-ID: <ca8.464e3c93.371e19e8@aol.com>

 
Hi George,
I think the determining factor is what temperature  will the stud reach 
when you are operating your 12hp Ingeco.  For repairs  where temperature is not 
excessive I have had good results using  either Devcon Plastic Steel or JB 
Weld.  
 
Acquire a new stud of the original size.  Then,  clean the worn area 
thoroughly including degreasing with something like brake  cleaner or (if you can 
find it, CCl4).  With a wire brush wheel polish the  threads on the new 
stud, then apply a coat of paste wax or other material to  service as a mold 
release.
 
Mix your epoxy and be sure to coat the worn area using  a stirring rod or 
other tool to work the epoxy into the worn area.  Apply  epoxy to the new 
stud and then screw it into the hole, wiping the excess off  before it hardens. 
 After it has set you should be able to screw the new  stud out of the old 
hole (double nut it to get a grip) and find the epoxy has  formed new 
threads.  You can lubricate them with something like moly or,  just leave them 
alone.  
 
I have had success with this method in repairing  stripped threads in water 
cooled engine blocks and, repairing worn axle shafts  where the splines had 
been eroded by salt water.   
 
Hope this helps.
 
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, MO USA
 
In a message dated 4/20/2009 1:15:13 PM Central Daylight Time,  
George_Best at adp.com writes:

Sorry,  but this isn't an off topic thread ;-)

The exhaust stack flange on my  12hp Ingeco is held in place by two 1/2"
studs to the engine  head.

Unfortunately, the upper stud is missing and the hole is pretty  well
stripped out with only a trace of threads still showing.  Only  the back
of the hole still has enough thread left to hold a bolt in place  when
pulled on by hand.  I'm sure if you put a nut on the stud the  little bit
of thread wouldn't hold any pulling force.

I'm debating  on how to fix it.

I could coat a 1/2" stud with JB Weld and put in  place and let it cure,
hoping it will be strong enough to hold the exhaust  stack in place.
Remember there is still one good stud so the JB Welded one  is getting
some help from the other stud. 

Or.....

Rethread  the stud hole for a 9/16" stud and then cut down the other end
of the stud  and thread it for 1/2". (make a stepped stud, assuming the
hardware store  doesn't already stock stepped studs)

I'm thinking rethreading for the  larger size is probably the better way
to go, but was wondering if anyone  has tried the JD Weld method and had
it  work?

George


 
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From curt at rustyiron.com  Mon Apr 20 12:00:47 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:00:47 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A9E06E4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <20090414175130.C01814CA664@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
	<A428959906674B07B0FA232AD0F3CB25@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A9E06E4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <59392.168.215.206.73.1240254047.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

George,
You've already gotten several recommendations for HeliCoil inserts and I
echo the same. You might just check one item. Make sure the studs you have
aren't threaded 1/2-12 instead of 1/2-13, lest you ruin a perfectly good
HeliCoil job trying to get them back in. Imagine it would be easy to make
new studs if they are threaded to the old 1/2-12 standard.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


> Sorry, but this isn't an off topic thread ;-)
>
> The exhaust stack flange on my 12hp Ingeco is held in place by two 1/2"
> studs to the engine head.
>
> Unfortunately, the upper stud is missing and the hole is pretty well
> stripped out with only a trace of threads still showing.  Only the back
> of the hole still has enough thread left to hold a bolt in place when
> pulled on by hand.  I'm sure if you put a nut on the stud the little bit
> of thread wouldn't hold any pulling force.
>
> I'm debating on how to fix it.
>
> I could coat a 1/2" stud with JB Weld and put in place and let it cure,
> hoping it will be strong enough to hold the exhaust stack in place.
> Remember there is still one good stud so the JB Welded one is getting
> some help from the other stud.
>
> Or.....
>
> Rethread the stud hole for a 9/16" stud and then cut down the other end
> of the stud and thread it for 1/2". (make a stepped stud, assuming the
> hardware store doesn't already stock stepped studs)
>
> I'm thinking rethreading for the larger size is probably the better way
> to go, but was wondering if anyone has tried the JD Weld method and had
> it work?
>
> George
>
>
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From gastzt at aol.com  Mon Apr 20 12:02:51 2009
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:02:51 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
Message-ID: <ca3.4d79d7a2.371e20db@aol.com>

Hey Ron
   Great info--and we all thank you a  bunch!
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Pleasanton, Texas
 
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From curt at rustyiron.com  Mon Apr 20 12:16:47 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:16:47 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <20090420150515.2E99576B834C@mail07.wcoil.com>
References: <C610FB6E.E48%pml1@bigpond.net.au>
	<20090420150515.2E99576B834C@mail07.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <59260.168.215.206.73.1240255007.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Patrick,
Thanks for all the great photos!
One that really caught my eye was
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170042_JPG.htm>

the Meadowbank engine. I recall some years ago discussing flywheel engines
with 4 spoke flywheels. One to add to the list.

Was this an Ozzie built engine? Can you tell us more about them?
Curt Holland


>
> At 02:01 AM 4/19/2009, you wrote:
>>Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:
>>
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm
>>





From langer5 at sympatico.ca  Mon Apr 20 13:10:48 2009
From: langer5 at sympatico.ca (Larry Anger)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:10:48 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
References: <20090414175130.C01814CA664@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com><A428959906674B07B0FA232AD0F3CB25@tommyd0x52gkco>
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George - I wouldn't trust the JB fix on an exhaust system. If it were mine I 
would go for a Heli-Coil if there is room to do that or the stepped stud as 
a second choice.  The Heli-Coil will get everything back to proper size and 
is the way industry repairs this kind of problem.

Larry Anger
163926 Brownsville Rd.
R.R. 3 Tillsonburg, Ontario
Canada N4G 4G8
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
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Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:03 PM
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud


> Sorry, but this isn't an off topic thread ;-)
>
> The exhaust stack flange on my 12hp Ingeco is held in place by two 1/2"
> studs to the engine head.
>
> Unfortunately, the upper stud is missing and the hole is pretty well
> stripped out with only a trace of threads still showing.  Only the back
> of the hole still has enough thread left to hold a bolt in place when
> pulled on by hand.  I'm sure if you put a nut on the stud the little bit
> of thread wouldn't hold any pulling force.
>
> I'm debating on how to fix it.
>
> I could coat a 1/2" stud with JB Weld and put in place and let it cure,
> hoping it will be strong enough to hold the exhaust stack in place.
> Remember there is still one good stud so the JB Welded one is getting
> some help from the other stud.
>
> Or.....
>
> Rethread the stud hole for a 9/16" stud and then cut down the other end
> of the stud and thread it for 1/2". (make a stepped stud, assuming the
> hardware store doesn't already stock stepped studs)
>
> I'm thinking rethreading for the larger size is probably the better way
> to go, but was wondering if anyone has tried the JD Weld method and had
> it work?
>
> George
>
>
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 20 13:23:59 2009
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:23:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Le Seuer Swapmeet & Hauling
Message-ID: <164945.39759.qm@web31507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


I just wanted to say that I am going to the LeSeuer Swap Meet and would be willing to help haul iron to or from Baraboo. I will be there on Friday, possibly on Saturday. Also, remember that we can usually find room in the shed for temporary storage of old iron passing through.
If I can be of service, my cell number is 608-434-3399.
Later,
Joe
Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan


      


From George_Best at adp.com  Mon Apr 20 14:11:55 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:11:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
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Don't know if I can buy the helicoil repair kits locally or if I'd have
to order them over the internet.  Got a couple auto parts stores and a
really good Ace hardware store in the area.

On my way home from work I'll see if any of them have the helicoil kits,
otherwise I'll give the JB Weld a try first.  Granted the helicoil would
be a stronger repair, but the JB weld is something that can be done
tonight and if it doesn't work I'm not really out anything as the
helicoil can still be used later if needed.

I don't think the heat will be a problem as the stud isn't exposed to
the exhaust and head shouldn't be getting hotter than the JB weld is
rated for.


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From solarrog at pacbell.net  Mon Apr 20 14:23:11 2009
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:23:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A9E0CCE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <20090414175130.C01814CA664@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com><A428959906674B07B0FA232AD0F3CB25@tommyd0x52gkco><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590A9E06E4@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><BLU0-SMTP21A2DE8E72260C3ABCD09797760@phx.gbl>
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My experience is JB weld has never worked at holding anything, it has only 
be good as a sealer or filler. I think your just making a mess than you will 
have to remove later.
My vote is for the heli coil, I have used 100's with great results.
Your mileage may vary.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Stripped stud


> Don't know if I can buy the helicoil repair kits locally or if I'd have
> to order them over the internet.  Got a couple auto parts stores and a
> really good Ace hardware store in the area.
>
> On my way home from work I'll see if any of them have the helicoil kits,
> otherwise I'll give the JB Weld a try first.  Granted the helicoil would
> be a stronger repair, but the JB weld is something that can be done
> tonight and if it doesn't work I'm not really out anything as the
> helicoil can still be used later if needed.
>
> I don't think the heat will be a problem as the stud isn't exposed to
> the exhaust and head shouldn't be getting hotter than the JB weld is
> rated for.
>
>
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From camaned at iinet.net.au  Mon Apr 20 14:35:43 2009
From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:35:43 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Test
In-Reply-To: <71D899D74FF345EFB35FCFFE54FA0FDC@bethelllaptop>
References: <D2CFB545EB3149ACB93C1689E641A737@CamPC>
	<71D899D74FF345EFB35FCFFE54FA0FDC@bethelllaptop>
Message-ID: <28FAE57355884621A8F1A5CBDE05F1F8@CamPC>

G'day Jim,  Mate we just arrived home Sat, we made it our annual holiday and 
had a ball,  even had a look at the Humphrey Pump running and that was an 
experience. I think it was an excellent Rally and it had a great turnout, it 
was also good to catch up to a few you know and make a few more friends. 
Well Mate look after your health and I will catch you later. Cam.


----- Original Message ----- 

Subject: Re: [SEL] Test


> Yes Cam you are working, got home ok from the National?
> regards
> Jimbo
> Jim & Geraldine Bethell
> 12 Fush Place
> Mildura Victoria 3500
> 03-50213414
> 0427-213414
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> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 12:37 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Test
>
>
>>
>> Cam and Edina Grundy
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Apr 20 14:58:14 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:58:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
In-Reply-To: <ca8.464e3c93.371e19e8@aol.com>
References: <ca8.464e3c93.371e19e8@aol.com>
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Hey Ron,

Those repairs of yours were to Maytag Multimotors which everyone knows never get
above room temperature.  Of course you've had good luck with JB.  8->>

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, April 20, 2009 2:33 pm, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote:
>
> For repairs  where temperature is not
> excessive I have had good results using  either Devcon Plastic Steel or JB
> Weld.





From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Mon Apr 20 15:41:23 2009
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:41:23 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
Message-ID: <d07.51af2949.371e5413@aol.com>

 
Hi Arnie,
Nice guess, but, no.  One was in the block of a  Ford V4 engine in a Saab 
model 95.  It was a low stress problem, merely  holding the thermostat 
housing in place.
 
Another repair was the drive axle of a Fiat 500 which  held for 10,000 
miles at which point I sold the car.  I don't know if the  glue job ever failed. 
 
 
The little Fiat had rear engine/transmission with  swing axles to with rear 
wheel drive.  Those axles were exposed to the  Michigan salt which would 
run down the axle and into the cast iron splines  in the  hubs.  When I bought 
the car one of the hubs had stripped its  splines and the other was loose.  
Both steel axles were badly worn.  I  bought two of the cast iron hubs from 
the Fiat dealer and to avoid  replacing the axles which would require 
dismantling the transmission I  elected to use Devcon Plastic Steel to fit the 
worn axle splines into the new  hub splines.  After curing, I separated used a 
gear puller to separate  them.  I cut two 8" sections of bicycle inner tube 
and, with hose clamps  and moly chassis lube, lubed the splines and clamped 
the grease filled inner  tube over the hub and axle.  It never gave any 
more trouble.  So, a  tube of epoxy, one bicycle inner tube, two $5 cast iron 
hubs, four hose clamps  and some grease and that problem was whipped.
 
That little car had some neat features.  50+ mph,  65 mph top speed, hollow 
drive pulley that served as the only oil filter and the  oil stayed clean, 
two carb jets, one for running and one for choke and if the  main running 
should clog on some dirt, then I could pull the choke lever and  proceed with 
it running nicely.  Oh, that main jet was accessable from the  outside 
needing only an open ended spanner.  I bought it in Ann Arbor ($30)  and sold it 
there two years later for $100.  I wish I still had it.  
 
Ron
PS:  I asked the dealer to sell me a shop  manual.  He couldn't as he 
didn't have any.  I wrote to Fiat in Italy  and they GAVE me the large shop 
manual (in English) and wished me well with my  Fiat.
PPS:  I almost forgot, it had automatic  adjustment for the brake shoes.
 
 
 
In a message dated 4/20/2009 4:54:54 PM Central Daylight Time,  
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

Hey  Ron,

Those repairs of yours were to Maytag Multimotors which everyone  knows 
never get
above room temperature.  Of course you've had good  luck with JB.  8->>

See ya,   Arnie


 
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From rotigel at me.com  Mon Apr 20 18:27:57 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:27:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
Message-ID: <13223957719634196671318024576610568011-Webmail@me.com>

Helicoil SHMLICOIL! George, they didn't make Helicoil's when your Ingeco was built!  If you use a helicoil EVERYONE on the LIST will remember FOREVER that you did not do the job properly! I have just what you need, and will be glad to loan it to you. It's a tap and die set that is 1/32 oversize. It's what every good shop used prior the modern inventions like the helicoil! I bought the set several years ago and later realized what the "+ 1/32" stamped on each piece meant! You would, of course, have to also manufacture a nut that is 1/2 + 1/32. But NOT TO WORRY, I have BOTH the tap AND the die in the set. I will be home from FL on April 30 and could send both to you on May 1st. Let me know if you want to borrow them!
      Dave
PS, No hurry on getting them back to me. I'll likely never use them. I use helicoils!

On Monday, April 20, 2009, at 11:31AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>George,  How dare you make an on-topic post?  Bloody radical...
>
>Instead of the JB Weld fix, why not try a Helicoil?
>http://www.helicoil.in/helicoil.htm
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>On Mon, April 20, 2009 2:03 pm, Best, George wrote:
>> Sorry, but this isn't an off topic thread ;-)
>>
>> The exhaust stack flange on my 12hp Ingeco is held in place by two 1/2"
>> studs to the engine head.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the upper stud is missing and the hole is pretty well
>> stripped out with only a trace of threads still showing.  Only the back
>> of the hole still has enough thread left to hold a bolt in place when
>> pulled on by hand.  I'm sure if you put a nut on the stud the little bit
>> of thread wouldn't hold any pulling force.
>>
>> I'm debating on how to fix it.
>>
>> I could coat a 1/2" stud with JB Weld and put in place and let it cure,
>> hoping it will be strong enough to hold the exhaust stack in place.
>> Remember there is still one good stud so the JB Welded one is getting
>> some help from the other stud.
>>
>> Or.....
>>
>> Rethread the stud hole for a 9/16" stud and then cut down the other end
>> of the stud and thread it for 1/2". (make a stepped stud, assuming the
>> hardware store doesn't already stock stepped studs)
>>
>> I'm thinking rethreading for the larger size is probably the better way
>> to go, but was wondering if anyone has tried the JD Weld method and had
>> it work?
>
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Apr 20 19:11:12 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:11:12 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D part
Message-ID: <20090420.191112.2092.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all. Where can I get a leather air valve disk for a Schebler D carb?
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Mon Apr 20 19:32:23 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:32:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT Re: Fairbanks parts
In-Reply-To: <49E75785.2000900@coastalnet.com>
References: <49E75785.2000900@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <49ED3037.3030104@rustic-engines.com>

G'day Ken,
Sorry Others,

Ken I sent you an email off list five days back and have not as yet 
received an answer.

I'm concerned that it went astray is all.

Cheers,

Al Harris
Autumn Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Ken Christison wrote:
> Hi Al,
>
> Just checking to see if you found the Fairbanks parts you were looking 
> for.
> I tried to get into your site, but it wouldn't allow me to visit since 
> all I had
> was your email address from which I used www.rustic-engines.com.
>
> I might have some of the parts for the governor arrangement you need.  I
> have a dishpan engine I have had for 40 years.  The gears are all 
> frozen up,
> but I think I can free it all up if it is the right configuration.  It 
> does have the
> diagonal cut gears.
>
> Let me know if you can use these.
>
> Take care.
>
> Ken Christison
> Conway, NC  USA
>
>


From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Mon Apr 20 19:38:36 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:38:36 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D part
In-Reply-To: <20090420.191112.2092.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090420.191112.2092.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <49ED31AC.8080102@rustic-engines.com>

If all else fails drift along the shelves of your local plumbing store. 
Marvelously pliable, rubberized/fibrous sealing materials can be found 
there. Some already the right size for mixers etc. Not kosher I know, 
but ..........

Cheers,

Al Harris
Autumn Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> Hi all. Where can I get a leather air valve disk for a Schebler D carb?
> Ron Haskell
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From george at irontrader.com  Mon Apr 20 22:26:04 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (george at irontrader.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:26:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
In-Reply-To: <d07.51af2949.371e5413@aol.com>
References: <d07.51af2949.371e5413@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090420232604.dbttbhoyog44kkc0@www.100megs28.com>

Well.... on the way home I bought a couple new studs, plus a helicoil kit.

The helicoil kit cost probably as much as a case of JB Weld!  But at  
least I can rethread 7 more 1/2-13 holes if needed.

Welded the pipe to the flange and bolted it up to the Ingeco.  Ran it  
for awhile and it certainly sounds better than comming straight out of  
the head!

Even got to use my Cole drill to drill out the hole for the helicoil insert.



From george at irontrader.com  Mon Apr 20 22:47:00 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (george at irontrader.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:47:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
In-Reply-To: <20090420232604.dbttbhoyog44kkc0@www.100megs28.com>
References: <d07.51af2949.371e5413@aol.com>
	<20090420232604.dbttbhoyog44kkc0@www.100megs28.com>
Message-ID: <20090420234700.72aj6txwsokgo8ww@www.100megs28.com>

If you want to see the Cole drill setup and the new exhaust stack, I  
have loaded a couple pictures on the atis forum.

www.atis.net/forums

George





From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Mon Apr 20 22:48:02 2009
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:48:02 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
Message-ID: <c67.50b2fdf5.371eb812@aol.com>

 
Hi George,
 
Well!!!  If I had remembered you have a Cole  drill I would have 
recommended you take this opportunity to use it.  Good  for you.
Ron
 
In a message dated 4/21/2009 12:35:09 AM Central Daylight Time,  
george at irontrader.com writes:

Well....  on the way home I bought a couple new studs, plus a helicoil kit.

The  helicoil kit cost probably as much as a case of JB Weld!  But at   
least I can rethread 7 more 1/2-13 holes if needed.

Welded the pipe  to the flange and bolted it up to the Ingeco.  Ran it  
for  awhile and it certainly sounds better than comming straight out of   
the head!

Even got to use my Cole drill to drill out the hole for  the helicoil 
insert.


 
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Apr 20 23:15:49 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:15:49 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <59260.168.215.206.73.1240255007.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <C613A1B5.EEA%pml1@bigpond.net.au>

Hi Curt,
    the Meadowbank is an Australian made copy of the Scottish Melvin engine.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mb09_1/images/100_5841_JPG.jpg
They are interesting with the four spoke flywheels.
Patrick


On 21/4/09 5:16 AM, "curt at rustyiron.com" <curt at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> Patrick,
> Thanks for all the great photos!
> One that really caught my eye was
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170042_JPG.htm>
> 
> the Meadowbank engine. I recall some years ago discussing flywheel engines
> with 4 spoke flywheels. One to add to the list.
> 
> Was this an Ozzie built engine? Can you tell us more about them?
> Curt Holland
> 
> 
>> 
>> At 02:01 AM 4/19/2009, you wrote:
>>> Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:
>>> 
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm
>>> 
> 
> 


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From FRM8198 at aol.com  Tue Apr 21 01:45:56 2009
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 04:45:56 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Stripped stud
Message-ID: <d5a.432b1162.371ee1c4@aol.com>

Thanks for the pictures.
 
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 93454

 
 
In a message dated 4/20/2009 10:55:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
george at irontrader.com writes:

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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Tue Apr 21 02:29:40 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:29:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV-2M Restore project
Message-ID: <COL106-W518F5978322013EF63E72AB4770@phx.gbl>


Hi all;
I'm starting the restore of my Dads Petter AV-2M engine, built in 1956
{I know its not OLD } Whitworth tools would be a GIANT plus.
Anyone here in the states have any they would part with?
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm

 

                 Thanks

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470





From Peterwoodmore at aol.com  Tue Apr 21 05:09:17 2009
From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:09:17 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
Message-ID: <bcb.4b910135.371f116d@aol.com>

Curt
I am lucky enough to have one of those Meadowbank engines althought not yet 
running. They were made in Meadowbank, Sydney, Australia by TheMeadowbank 
Manufacturing Co around 1915. There is not too many of them about and the 
firm closed in 1936. At first they were agents for Melvin engines from Scotland 
and then made a copy under their own name from 3 to 12 hp  They were quite 
a large engineering company making farm implements, Model T Ford 
bodies,rolling stock and made the majority of Trams used in Australia.

Peter Woodmore. 
peterwoodmore at aol.com
Skype name Woadmere


From obise at moscow.com  Tue Apr 21 06:28:45 2009
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:28:45 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D part
In-Reply-To: <20090420.191112.2092.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200904211329.n3LDStKt084138@mail-gw.fsr.net>

If you have an electric drill and bench grinder you can make your own.  

Punch a hole in a piece of thick leather disk, somewhat larger than what
you'll need.  Then, get a long bolt that is threaded its entire length, two
washers and a nut that fits the bolt.  Insert the bolt in the hole with
washers on both sides.  Snug up the whole "sandwich" with the nut.  

Chuck the bolt in an electric drill.  With the drill running, shape the disk
on a coarse bench grinder wheel, disk sander, belt sander, or whatever.  

It takes longer to tell about it than it does to do it.  

Best regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

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Hi all. Where can I get a leather air valve disk for a Schebler D carb?
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Apr 21 07:58:43 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:58:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D part
Message-ID: <20090421.075844.2028.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks for the responses.  But; I have no problem with the leather, it
also has a metal center with threads that will take a lot more time to
make.  I was hoping someone would have a source for ready made parts.

Ron Haskell
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Apr 21 09:25:08 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:25:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D part
In-Reply-To: <20090420.191112.2092.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20090421162508.B6BF14054B3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Ron, I may have one for you that I can take from a carb. I notice that they
look similar but are actually different sizes. What is the dia. Of the
intake neck? Cya, Jimmy 
Jim O'Hagan
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Hi all. Where can I get a leather air valve disk for a Schebler D carb?
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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Apr 21 09:56:00 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:56:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?
In-Reply-To: <49ED3037.3030104@rustic-engines.com>
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For the 2nd year in a row I missed the Tulare show.

I know some of the California members of the list must have been at
Tulare last weekend.

So how was the show?

More or less exhibitors than prior years?


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From solarrog at pacbell.net  Tue Apr 21 10:11:17 2009
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:11:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?
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For the second year in a row I didn't here about the Tulare show till after 
it was over
darn it anyway

Roger DiRuscio
Fremont, Ca 94539
510-226-2414 ofc message line
website, scrapologist.com
Ham radio KG6QKZ (gen)
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Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:56 AM
Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?


> For the 2nd year in a row I missed the Tulare show.
>
> I know some of the California members of the list must have been at
> Tulare last weekend.
>
> So how was the show?
>
> More or less exhibitors than prior years?
>
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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Apr 21 10:18:33 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:18:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?
In-Reply-To: <7A3108BE80554481A1B93170DD7657AB@D6R3D961>
References: <49E75785.2000900@coastalnet.com><49ED3037.3030104@rustic-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590AA1779A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
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Roger,

It is always listed in the Coming Events on the W.A.I.T. website.

www.irontrader.com

Also printed in the Coming Events in the printed publication.

George


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Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:11 AM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] Tulare show?

For the second year in a row I didn't here about the Tulare show till
after 
it was over
darn it anyway

Roger DiRuscio
Fremont, Ca 94539


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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Apr 21 10:33:23 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:33:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590AA1779A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
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George, I think the engine and tractor counts were down a little. The
southern Cal. Guys schlepped up a Callahan, Columbus, and a Root &
Vandervoort. The swap meet area grows each year and the poor man's auction
had better quality junk and more of it..Cya, Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
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Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:56 AM
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Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?

For the 2nd year in a row I missed the Tulare show.

I know some of the California members of the list must have been at
Tulare last weekend.

So how was the show?

More or less exhibitors than prior years?


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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Apr 21 10:33:23 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:33:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?
Message-ID: <20090421.103323.288.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 Roger.
If you once sign up, they mail you the information packed two or three
months in advance, and I think it is always the third weekend of April.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:11:17 -0700 "Roger DiRuscio"
<solarrog at pacbell.net> writes:
> For the second year in a row I didn't here about the Tulare show till 
> after 
> it was over
> darn it anyway
> 
> Roger DiRuscio
> Fremont, Ca 94539
> 510-226-2414 ofc message line
> website, scrapologist.com
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr 21 10:50:31 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:50:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV-2M Restore project
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W518F5978322013EF63E72AB4770@phx.gbl>
References: <COL106-W518F5978322013EF63E72AB4770@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f5363bdfff764cf125a87eabfb475b0f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Frank,

Check ePay.  They list a gazillion assorted Whitworth spanners, sockets, etc.
I think you could also come up with a horde of sellers on the net with a Google search.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, April 21, 2009 5:29 am, frank skinner wrote:
>
> I'm starting the restore of my Dads Petter AV-2M engine, built in 1956
> {I know its not OLD } Whitworth tools would be a GIANT plus.
> Anyone here in the states have any they would part with?





From solarrog at pacbell.net  Tue Apr 21 10:45:48 2009
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:45:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?
References: <49E75785.2000900@coastalnet.com><49ED3037.3030104@rustic-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590AA1779A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><7A3108BE80554481A1B93170DD7657AB@D6R3D961>
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Message-ID: <3DB87F0775B54740AD784D4DB149C7EE@D6R3D961>

Hi George Just looked at your site, haven't been there in a while, How come 
the California Dream Machines show this weekend isn't listed there? Half 
Moon Bay. Ca 4/26/09

Roger DiRuscio
Fremont, Ca 94539
510-226-2414 ofc message line
website, scrapologist.com
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----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tulare show?


> Roger,
>
> It is always listed in the Coming Events on the W.A.I.T. website.
>
> www.irontrader.com
>
> Also printed in the Coming Events in the printed publication.
>
> George
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Roger
> DiRuscio
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:11 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Tulare show?
>
> For the second year in a row I didn't here about the Tulare show till
> after
> it was over
> darn it anyway
>
> Roger DiRuscio
> Fremont, Ca 94539
>
>
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From george at irontrader.com  Tue Apr 21 11:02:49 2009
From: george at irontrader.com (george at irontrader.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:02:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?
In-Reply-To: <3DB87F0775B54740AD784D4DB149C7EE@D6R3D961>
References: <49E75785.2000900@coastalnet.com><49ED3037.3030104@rustic-engines.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590AA1779A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><7A3108BE80554481A1B93170DD7657AB@D6R3D961>
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Message-ID: <20090421120249.5xll1lmog8w0wgcc@100megs28.com>

Quoting Roger DiRuscio <solarrog at pacbell.net>:

> Hi George Just looked at your site, haven't been there in a while, How come
> the California Dream Machines show this weekend isn't listed there? Half
> Moon Bay. Ca 4/26/09
>
> Roger DiRuscio

Roger,

Thanks for pointing that out.  I know that in prior years we've listed  
that show.  Guess they forgot to contact us this year.  We pretty much  
rely on clubs contacting us to list their shows, when clubs change  
officers or show chairpersons they occasionally drop the ball.

Of course I've been known to have dropped the ball on a few occasions too ;-)



From solarrog at pacbell.net  Tue Apr 21 11:04:01 2009
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:04:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?
References: <20090421.103323.288.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <3B2714E9C60C4C589315C3FF6C960B53@D6R3D961>

I know that Ron, I let my subscription go, The main focus is a little 
different than my collecting interests
after a couple years of not seeing anything that interested me. I'm down to 
a couple flywheel engines, and mainly collect antique marine inboard and 
outboard engines now. WAIT really didn't cover that area.


Roger DiRuscio
Fremont, Ca 94539
510-226-2414 ofc message line
website, scrapologist.com
Ham radio KG6QKZ (gen)
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----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tulare show?


> Roger.
> If you once sign up, they mail you the information packed two or three
> months in advance, and I think it is always the third weekend of April.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
>
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:11:17 -0700 "Roger DiRuscio"
> <solarrog at pacbell.net> writes:
>> For the second year in a row I didn't here about the Tulare show till
>> after
>> it was over
>> darn it anyway
>>
>> Roger DiRuscio
>> Fremont, Ca 94539
>> 510-226-2414 ofc message line
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From obise at moscow.com  Tue Apr 21 11:24:26 2009
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:24:26 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D part
In-Reply-To: <20090421.075844.2028.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <200904211824.n3LIObYx064296@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Mine works fine without the metal center.  I merely made the hole a tight
fit.  

Regards,

Orirn

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
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Subject: Re: [SEL] Schebler D part

Thanks for the responses.  But; I have no problem with the leather, it
also has a metal center with threads that will take a lot more time to
make.  I was hoping someone would have a source for ready made parts.

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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Apr 21 11:42:09 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:42:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?
In-Reply-To: <3B2714E9C60C4C589315C3FF6C960B53@D6R3D961>
References: <20090421.103323.288.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<3B2714E9C60C4C589315C3FF6C960B53@D6R3D961>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590AA17BF8@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

Roger,

Ron was meaning if you register for the Tulare show as an exhibitor,
that the show sends you a packet each year a couple months before the
show so you can request your gate passes, etc.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Roger
DiRuscio
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:04 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tulare show?

I know that Ron, I let my subscription go, The main focus is a little 
different than my collecting interests
after a couple years of not seeing anything that interested me. I'm down
to 
a couple flywheel engines, and mainly collect antique marine inboard and

outboard engines now. WAIT really didn't cover that area.


Roger DiRuscio


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From solarrog at pacbell.net  Tue Apr 21 13:29:25 2009
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:29:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Tulare show?
References: <20090421.103323.288.4.rdhaskell@juno.com><3B2714E9C60C4C589315C3FF6C960B53@D6R3D961>
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Ok, I didn't know that. Thanks George

Roger DiRuscio
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----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tulare show?


> Roger,
>
> Ron was meaning if you register for the Tulare show as an exhibitor,
> that the show sends you a packet each year a couple months before the
> show so you can request your gate passes, etc.
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Roger
> DiRuscio
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:04 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Tulare show?
>
> I know that Ron, I let my subscription go, The main focus is a little
> different than my collecting interests
> after a couple years of not seeing anything that interested me. I'm down
> to
> a couple flywheel engines, and mainly collect antique marine inboard and
>
> outboard engines now. WAIT really didn't cover that area.
>
>
> Roger DiRuscio
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr 21 15:45:01 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:45:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
Message-ID: <8549c826d597e18689a2034daa523627.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Patrick,

Lovely rally pictures as always.  I do have a couple of questions.

I'm guessing that the nifty screen cooler on the two Wolseleys is factory original?
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170092_JPG.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170102_JPG.htm

Is the black thing along the cylinder of that Sunshine the silencer?
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170145_JPG.htm
If so, that's one odd shaped bugger!  How's it sound?  Is it unique like a Petter so
if you heard it you'd say "That's a Sunshine running..."

See ya,  Arnie

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:01 PM
> Subject: Cootamundra Rally Pics
>
>> Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm





From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Tue Apr 21 16:07:32 2009
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:07:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
References: <8549c826d597e18689a2034daa523627.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c9c2d5$f3a9e4b0$0201010a@JBCooper>

Hi Arnie,
Yes that is the silencer. The exhaust comes out the top, the curved piece 
has a gap from one end to the other. Makes more of a "chif-chif" sound 
rather than the normal "bang-bang".
Cheers,
John C. Bega.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics


>
> G'day Patrick,
>
> Lovely rally pictures as always.  I do have a couple of questions.
>
> I'm guessing that the nifty screen cooler on the two Wolseleys is factory 
> original?
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170092_JPG.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170102_JPG.htm
>
> Is the black thing along the cylinder of that Sunshine the silencer?
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170145_JPG.htm
> If so, that's one odd shaped bugger!  How's it sound?  Is it unique like a 
> Petter so
> if you heard it you'd say "That's a Sunshine running..."
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Patrick" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:01 PM
>> Subject: Cootamundra Rally Pics
>>
>>> Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm
>
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Apr 21 16:17:39 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:17:39 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
References: <8549c826d597e18689a2034daa523627.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<002b01c9c2d5$f3a9e4b0$0201010a@JBCooper>
Message-ID: <990D0DFA03B848EF8A38439BF4F88BFC@your9e74d7efa7>

Does anyone want a silencer for a Sunshine ....I have one that i am willing 
to swap for a ''fishtail''?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John & Beryl Cooper" <cooperjb at aapt.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics


> Hi Arnie,
> Yes that is the silencer. The exhaust comes out the top, the curved piece
> has a gap from one end to the other. Makes more of a "chif-chif" sound
> rather than the normal "bang-bang".
> Cheers,
> John C. Bega.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
>
>
>>
>> G'day Patrick,
>>
>> Lovely rally pictures as always.  I do have a couple of questions.
>>
>> I'm guessing that the nifty screen cooler on the two Wolseleys is factory
>> original?
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170092_JPG.htm
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170102_JPG.htm
>>
>> Is the black thing along the cylinder of that Sunshine the silencer?
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170145_JPG.htm
>> If so, that's one odd shaped bugger!  How's it sound?  Is it unique like 
>> a
>> Petter so
>> if you heard it you'd say "That's a Sunshine running..."
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Patrick" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:01 PM
>>> Subject: Cootamundra Rally Pics
>>>
>>>> Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm
>>
>>
>>
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From alanwh at iinet.net.au  Tue Apr 21 17:01:13 2009
From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan Wheaton)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:01:13 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <990D0DFA03B848EF8A38439BF4F88BFC@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <8549c826d597e18689a2034daa523627.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><002b01c9c2d5$f3a9e4b0$0201010a@JBCooper>
	<990D0DFA03B848EF8A38439BF4F88BFC@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <840728E0A6B54F449E12F7F322F4AEDA@shack>

I would like a fishtail for my 5hp sunshine 
Is there anyone making them?

Alan


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne
Sent: Wednesday, 22 April 2009 9:18 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics

Does anyone want a silencer for a Sunshine ....I have one that i am willing 
to swap for a ''fishtail''?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John & Beryl Cooper" <cooperjb at aapt.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics


> Hi Arnie,
> Yes that is the silencer. The exhaust comes out the top, the curved piece
> has a gap from one end to the other. Makes more of a "chif-chif" sound
> rather than the normal "bang-bang".
> Cheers,
> John C. Bega.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
>
>
>>
>> G'day Patrick,
>>
>> Lovely rally pictures as always.  I do have a couple of questions.
>>
>> I'm guessing that the nifty screen cooler on the two Wolseleys is factory
>> original?
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170092_JPG.htm
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170102_JPG.htm
>>
>> Is the black thing along the cylinder of that Sunshine the silencer?
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170145_JPG.htm
>> If so, that's one odd shaped bugger!  How's it sound?  Is it unique like 
>> a
>> Petter so
>> if you heard it you'd say "That's a Sunshine running..."
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Patrick" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:01 PM
>>> Subject: Cootamundra Rally Pics
>>>
>>>> Popped down to the Cootamundra Rally Yesterday. Some pics at:
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/index.htm
>>
>>
>>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Apr 21 17:50:33 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:50:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D part
Message-ID: <20090421.175033.288.16.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks for the reply Jimmy.
This is for Mark Panzone's FriscoStandard.  We noticed it was missing
from his carb while trying to dial it in at Tulare.  It measures 1".  It
is the same as the Cushman binder engine.  I will take the one out of my
Cushman and see how hard it will be to duplicate.  If you have a spare I
would like to purchase it.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell


On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:25:08 -0700 "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
writes:
> Ron, I may have one for you that I can take from a carb. I notice 
> that they
> look similar but are actually different sizes. What is the dia. Of 
> the
> intake neck? Cya, Jimmy 
> Jim O'Hagan
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Apr 21 22:32:14 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:32:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Campbell Oil Engine - HD Video 4U
Message-ID: <31A3058B-DA84-48B2-B425-EAEF9E6FE21B@rustyiron.com>

This afternoon I juiced up Kelley's HD video camera and lit the fire  
under an engine.

Model:  The Samson
Manufacturer:  Campbell
Year:  1907

If you want the HD version with hella good graphics and you have a  
high speed internet connection, go to:  http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Campbell-HD.mp4

If you have a slower processor or internet connection, you can get a  
slightly smaller version from YouTube:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC3ti3Fj-NI 
   YouTube will allow you the option to view in pseudo-HD or regular  
quality.

Hope you dig it.


	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com







From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Apr 21 23:04:40 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:04:40 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <8549c826d597e18689a2034daa523627.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <C614F098.F30%pml1@bigpond.net.au>

Hi Arnie,
    the big black thing is the exhaust silencer or the Sunshine two-stroke.
I am sue one of the silly buggers who like two-strokes can tell you about it
;)
It does give the Sunshines a unique sound.
The Wolseley screen coolers are original factory items. I had not seen one
like it before and there were two at the one rally. The skid mounted one is
one of only a couple that have survived.
Patrick


On 22/4/09 8:45 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> G'day Patrick,
> 
> Lovely rally pictures as always.  I do have a couple of questions.
> 
> I'm guessing that the nifty screen cooler on the two Wolseleys is factory
> original?
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170092_JPG.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170102_JPG.htm
> 
> Is the black thing along the cylinder of that Sunshine the silencer?
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Coota09/pages/0904170145_JPG.htm
> If so, that's one odd shaped bugger!  How's it sound?  Is it unique like a
> Petter so
> if you heard it you'd say "That's a Sunshine running..."
> 
> See ya,  Arnie



Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Apr 22 00:43:06 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:43:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Campbell Oil Engine - HD Video 4U
In-Reply-To: <31A3058B-DA84-48B2-B425-EAEF9E6FE21B@rustyiron.com>
References: <31A3058B-DA84-48B2-B425-EAEF9E6FE21B@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <F45576DE329D4875B99BF17D211D9527@KerryPC>

Thanks Rob, nothing like a good English Sideshaft running, the engine looks 
fantastic

Kerry

> This afternoon I juiced up Kelley's HD video camera and lit the fire
> under an engine.
>
> Model:  The Samson
> Manufacturer:  Campbell
> Year:  1907
>



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Apr 22 03:37:46 2009
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:37:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Campbell Oil Engine - HD Video 4U
References: <31A3058B-DA84-48B2-B425-EAEF9E6FE21B@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <001801c9c336$608e0420$66674b47@mikecomp>

Oooooooo, I want it bad!!!!!!!!!!!

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: "Stationary-Engine ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Oldengine.org Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 1:32 AM
Subject: [SEL] Campbell Oil Engine - HD Video 4U


> This afternoon I juiced up Kelley's HD video camera and lit the fire
> under an engine.
>
> Model:  The Samson
> Manufacturer:  Campbell
> Year:  1907
>
> If you want the HD version with hella good graphics and you have a
> high speed internet connection, go to: 
> http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Campbell-HD.mp4
>
> If you have a slower processor or internet connection, you can get a
> slightly smaller version from YouTube: 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC3ti3Fj-NI
>   YouTube will allow you the option to view in pseudo-HD or regular
> quality.
>
> Hope you dig it.
>
>
>
> Rob Skinner
> Antique Stationary Engines
> La Habra, California
>
> rob at rustyiron.com
> www.rustyiron.com
>
>
>
>
>
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Apr 22 04:48:01 2009
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:48:01 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Campbell Oil Engine - HD Video 4U
In-Reply-To: <001801c9c336$608e0420$66674b47@mikecomp>
References: <31A3058B-DA84-48B2-B425-EAEF9E6FE21B@rustyiron.com>
	<001801c9c336$608e0420$66674b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <20090422114753.DBCF9298048@gex-cn05.ncable.net.au>

Rob that's a lovely machine.  Mate is it very similar sounding to my 
Campbell even though they are different styles. I wish I had more 
knowledge on how to get a video up of my engine.

PS: I have made a few shots of it but it's on a mini disk, not a 
file. I only seem to be able to play it like a movie on the pc and 
not copy it??
Russ


At 08:37 PM 22/04/2009, you wrote:
>Oooooooo, I want it bad!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>MR
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
>To: "Stationary-Engine ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
>"Oldengine.org Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 1:32 AM
>Subject: [SEL] Campbell Oil Engine - HD Video 4U
>
>
> > This afternoon I juiced up Kelley's HD video camera and lit the fire
> > under an engine.
> >
> > Model:  The Samson
> > Manufacturer:  Campbell
> > Year:  1907
> >
> > If you want the HD version with hella good graphics and you have a
> > high speed internet connection, go to:
> > http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Campbell-HD.mp4
> >
> > If you have a slower processor or internet connection, you can get a
> > slightly smaller version from YouTube:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC3ti3Fj-NI
> >   YouTube will allow you the option to view in pseudo-HD or regular
> > quality.
> >
> > Hope you dig it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob Skinner
> > Antique Stationary Engines
> > La Habra, California
> >
> > rob at rustyiron.com
> > www.rustyiron.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Apr 22 07:45:41 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:45:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Campbell Oil Engine - HD Video 4U
In-Reply-To: <31A3058B-DA84-48B2-B425-EAEF9E6FE21B@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIELPIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Rob:

When you get tired of that noisy old hunk of iron, just let me know and I'll send a truck to pick it up and haul it down here to the Redneck Riviera!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Rob Skinner
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:32 AM
> To: Stationary-Engine ATIS; Oldengine.org Engine
> Subject: [SEL] Campbell Oil Engine - HD Video 4U




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Apr 22 07:24:31 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:24:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics
In-Reply-To: <840728E0A6B54F449E12F7F322F4AEDA@shack>
References: <8549c826d597e18689a2034daa523627.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><002b01c9c2d5$f3a9e4b0$0201010a@JBCooper>
	<990D0DFA03B848EF8A38439BF4F88BFC@your9e74d7efa7>
	<840728E0A6B54F449E12F7F322F4AEDA@shack>
Message-ID: <532e37a4d6a90b8c35cb4fcc0b752cc4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

OK Guys, I'll bite.  Wot's a Sunshine "fishtail"?

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, April 21, 2009 8:01 pm, Alan Wheaton wrote:
> I would like a fishtail for my 5hp sunshine
> Is there anyone making them?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of peter ogborne
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 April 2009 9:18 AM
>
> Does anyone want a silencer for a Sunshine ....I have one that i am willing
> to swap for a ''fishtail''?





From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Apr 22 15:34:07 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:34:07 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics....now fish tail.
References: <8549c826d597e18689a2034daa523627.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><002b01c9c2d5$f3a9e4b0$0201010a@JBCooper><990D0DFA03B848EF8A38439BF4F88BFC@your9e74d7efa7><840728E0A6B54F449E12F7F322F4AEDA@shack>
	<532e37a4d6a90b8c35cb4fcc0b752cc4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <B73CA963DF854CC5AFF366FBCEC37D32@your9e74d7efa7>

Arnie ,it is the last bit on the silencer .....as on old m/c 
exhausts.Supposidly reduces the noise ....two needed !
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics


> OK Guys, I'll bite.  Wot's a Sunshine "fishtail"?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Tue, April 21, 2009 8:01 pm, Alan Wheaton wrote:
>> I would like a fishtail for my 5hp sunshine
>> Is there anyone making them?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> On Behalf Of peter ogborne
>> Sent: Wednesday, 22 April 2009 9:18 AM
>>
>> Does anyone want a silencer for a Sunshine ....I have one that i am 
>> willing
>> to swap for a ''fishtail''?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Apr 22 15:52:12 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:52:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Modelers attention
Message-ID: <85152CDCC69542CE91D11946D831DBA2@REG>

As requested.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: George Vaughan 
To: R & M Ingold 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:02 AM
Subject: Modelers attention


I am no longer a member of the SEL due to my health Reg.  I ask kindly that the below be forwarded on to them.  I picked you because I knew you were into model engines.  It is neat and there are videos as well.  Thanks my friend for passing it along. (and yes I know that Tim Christoff is a model nut too, but I just figured that you would find it interesting enough to send it on.)  Have a great Life my Friend!


This is almost beyond comprehension.  Unbelievable.  This man has talents bordering on the supernatural. This goes beyond what most of us can only dream about. And he did it all on a Bridgeport milling machine. Surreal.

After viewing all of the pictures, be sure to catch both of the film clips of it actually running.

http://www.moyermade.com/chevyV8.html


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Apr 22 15:52:12 2009
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:52:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Modelers attention
Message-ID: <85152CDCC69542CE91D11946D831DBA2@REG>

As requested.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: George Vaughan 
To: R & M Ingold 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:02 AM
Subject: Modelers attention


I am no longer a member of the SEL due to my health Reg.  I ask kindly that the below be forwarded on to them.  I picked you because I knew you were into model engines.  It is neat and there are videos as well.  Thanks my friend for passing it along. (and yes I know that Tim Christoff is a model nut too, but I just figured that you would find it interesting enough to send it on.)  Have a great Life my Friend!


This is almost beyond comprehension.  Unbelievable.  This man has talents bordering on the supernatural. This goes beyond what most of us can only dream about. And he did it all on a Bridgeport milling machine. Surreal.

After viewing all of the pictures, be sure to catch both of the film clips of it actually running.

http://www.moyermade.com/chevyV8.html


From sumron at optusnet.com.au  Wed Apr 22 16:05:49 2009
From: sumron at optusnet.com.au (John & Norma Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:05:49 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 10hp "M" tank info
Message-ID: <A617CE9E92624496BD0D5D76402F5F97@gilbert0cd4c7f>

Hi all in engineland, 
 I am very happy to advise that those Tank measurements I was after have been supplied by DeWayne in Portland, Indiana ,USA.  DeWayne actually removed the tank from his 10hp Engine, did a heap of pics and sent the lot to me with all the measurements, a few days ago. Many thanks again DeWayne for your time and effort in helping, I hope I can be of help to you also some day.   
John Gilbert  in OZ


RSD Block 69 River Ave
Merbein, Vic 3505  
Australia
http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x279/john_the_tankman/
ph 03-50253372
Willow Norma: http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss194/willownorma/Showcase/

From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Apr 22 16:21:17 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:21:17 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine Fish Tail...a question for Australian members
Message-ID: <35F57CBC0067496082CB14C838F044BD@your9e74d7efa7>

Can any one tell me haow the fishtail is attached to the silencer on a Sunshine two stroke....does it screw in?

From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Wed Apr 22 17:58:38 2009
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:58:38 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics....now fish tail.
In-Reply-To: <B73CA963DF854CC5AFF366FBCEC37D32@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <8549c826d597e18689a2034daa523627.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><002b01c9c2d5$f3a9e4b0$0201010a@JBCooper><990D0DFA03B848EF8A38439BF4F88BFC@your9e74d7efa7><840728E0A6B54F449E12F7F322F4AEDA@shack>	<532e37a4d6a90b8c35cb4fcc0b752cc4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<B73CA963DF854CC5AFF366FBCEC37D32@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <49EFBD3E.4090503@optusnet.com.au>

peter ogborne wrote:
> Arnie ,it is the last bit on the silencer .....as on old m/c 
> exhausts.Supposidly reduces the noise ....two needed !
>   

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>
>   
>> OK Guys, I'll bite.  Wot's a Sunshine "fishtail"?
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
===
Peter, Arnie is obviously not a Velocette man!

JW?
===



From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Wed Apr 22 20:00:41 2009
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:00:41 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine Fish Tail...a question for Australian members
References: <35F57CBC0067496082CB14C838F044BD@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <00f501c9c3bf$b0947920$210110ac@Chester>

Hi Peter, i havent had mine out, but im fairly sure it screws in, have you 
checked Bobs parts, i think he had the remains of a 5hp up the dump, cheers,
Chester.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 7:21 AM
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine Fish Tail...a question for Australian members


> Can any one tell me haow the fishtail is attached to the silencer on a 
> Sunshine two stroke....does it screw in?
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Apr 22 20:03:38 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:03:38 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine Fish Tail...a question for Australian members
References: <35F57CBC0067496082CB14C838F044BD@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <008b01c9c3c0$1aa3a840$0901000a@coec543>

Hey Rob, No comments on this one----PLEASE!
    Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:21 PM
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine Fish Tail...a question for Australian members


> Can any one tell me haow the fishtail is attached to the silencer on a 
> Sunshine two stroke....does it screw in? 



From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Apr 22 20:23:19 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:23:19 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine Fish Tail...a question for Australian members
In-Reply-To: <008b01c9c3c0$1aa3a840$0901000a@coec543>
Message-ID: <20090422232319.E6KWD.1412621.root@mp14>


---- Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote: 
> Hey Rob, No comments on this one----PLEASE!
>     Dave
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:21 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Sunshine Fish Tail...a question for Australian members
> 
> 
Dave, reminds me of a friend at the Case tractor dealer, when the hardware salesman would stop in he would introduce him. "This is Henry, he sells nuts and bolts,,,,,,,and screws on the road". 
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA
> > Can any one tell me haow the fishtail is attached to the silencer on a 
> > Sunshine two stroke....does it screw in? 
> 
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From oldengines at bigpond.com  Thu Apr 23 00:08:06 2009
From: oldengines at bigpond.com (Ron Sullivan)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:08:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine Fish Tail...a question for Australian members
References: <35F57CBC0067496082CB14C838F044BD@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <000a01c9c3e2$4054bc10$6400a8c0@ronliz>

hi peter
it actually screws on. patrick livingstones bartam as one on it and it is 
used  as a muffler
Ron & Liz Sullivan
oldengines at bigpond.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:21 AM
Subject: [SEL] Sunshine Fish Tail...a question for Australian members


> Can any one tell me haow the fishtail is attached to the silencer on a 
> Sunshine two stroke....does it screw in?
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Apr 23 07:39:12 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:39:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics....now fish tail.
In-Reply-To: <49EFBD3E.4090503@optusnet.com.au>
References: <8549c826d597e18689a2034daa523627.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><002b01c9c2d5$f3a9e4b0$0201010a@JBCooper><990D0DFA03B848EF8A38439BF4F88BFC@your9e74d7efa7><840728E0A6B54F449E12F7F322F4AEDA@shack>
	<532e37a4d6a90b8c35cb4fcc0b752cc4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<B73CA963DF854CC5AFF366FBCEC37D32@your9e74d7efa7>
	<49EFBD3E.4090503@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <bb28d824b65dad176505336357f0e8cc.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

"Velocette"???  Isn't that one of those really intelligent, vicious, and fast
dinosaurs in Jurassic Park?  8-))

On Wed, April 22, 2009 8:58 pm, Jack wrote:
> peter ogborne wrote:
>> Arnie ,it is the last bit on the silencer .....as on old m/c
>> exhausts.Supposidly reduces the noise ....two needed !
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>>> OK Guys, I'll bite.  Wot's a Sunshine "fishtail"?
> ===
> Peter, Arnie is obviously not a Velocette man!
>
> JW?
> ===





From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Apr 23 15:47:20 2009
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:47:20 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics....now fish tail.
References: <8549c826d597e18689a2034daa523627.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><002b01c9c2d5$f3a9e4b0$0201010a@JBCooper><990D0DFA03B848EF8A38439BF4F88BFC@your9e74d7efa7><840728E0A6B54F449E12F7F322F4AEDA@shack><532e37a4d6a90b8c35cb4fcc0b752cc4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><B73CA963DF854CC5AFF366FBCEC37D32@your9e74d7efa7><49EFBD3E.4090503@optusnet.com.au>
	<bb28d824b65dad176505336357f0e8cc.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <AB915934C7804A65985087A10D3A184B@your9e74d7efa7>

I'll  leave this one for you Jack!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics....now fish tail.


> "Velocette"???  Isn't that one of those really intelligent, vicious, and
> fast
> dinosaurs in Jurassic Park?  8-))
>
> On Wed, April 22, 2009 8:58 pm, Jack wrote:
>> peter ogborne wrote:
>>> Arnie ,it is the last bit on the silencer .....as on old m/c
>>> exhausts.Supposidly reduces the noise ....two needed !
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>>>> OK Guys, I'll bite.  Wot's a Sunshine "fishtail"?
>> ===
>> Peter, Arnie is obviously not a Velocette man!
>>
>> JW?
>> ===
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From plb at iinet.net.au  Thu Apr 23 16:53:51 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:53:51 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics....now fish tail.
In-Reply-To: <bb28d824b65dad176505336357f0e8cc.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <8549c826d597e18689a2034daa523627.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com><002b01c9c2d5$f3a9e4b0$0201010a@JBCooper><990D0DFA03B848EF8A38439BF4F88BFC@your9e74d7efa7><840728E0A6B54F449E12F7F322F4AEDA@shack>	<532e37a4d6a90b8c35cb4fcc0b752cc4.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>	<B73CA963DF854CC5AFF366FBCEC37D32@your9e74d7efa7>	<49EFBD3E.4090503@optusnet.com.au>
	<bb28d824b65dad176505336357f0e8cc.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <004501c9c46e$c1090410$431b0c30$@net.au>

No Arnie,thats the bloke in the saddle.
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Pics....now fish tail.

"Velocette"???  Isn't that one of those really intelligent, vicious, and
fast
dinosaurs in Jurassic Park?  8-))

On Wed, April 22, 2009 8:58 pm, Jack wrote:
> peter ogborne wrote:
>> Arnie ,it is the last bit on the silencer .....as on old m/c
>> exhausts.Supposidly reduces the noise ....two needed !
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>>> OK Guys, I'll bite.  Wot's a Sunshine "fishtail"?
> ===
> Peter, Arnie is obviously not a Velocette man!
>
> JW?
> ===



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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Fri Apr 24 00:59:36 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 03:59:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <20090423.181820.1068.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090423.181820.1068.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W244A797C57137F6B07FA7B4720@phx.gbl>


Im still down to the lower end, VERY STUCK pistons, can't turn the engine

over to get @ the rod bolts properly.

 

I've squirted every kinda penetrating substance, called in A Witch Doctor,

A Voodoo Priestess, several locals & 911, & still VERY STUCK!!!!!

Next step is to try releasing the cylinders from the base, see if I get

enought movement to get @ the rod bolts. Thats thats the "NO Progress Report"

Small real progress, bead blasted the Intake & Exuast manifolds, both inside

on outside {they cleaned up well } & a cast iron base door from the spare engine.

This base door has an oil fill that will allow adding oil, with out pulling a valve cover

like we used to have to do to add oil.

 

On the stuck piston, I've thought of a tall pipe in the air & 

a wire connected to the engine & pipe, and see if lightning helps.

 

I also thought of putting the heads back on & using a charge of 

black powder, maybe.

 

And the saga / drama goes on ;-}

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 



From curt at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr 24 07:54:59 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 08:54:59 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W244A797C57137F6B07FA7B4720@phx.gbl>
References: <20090423.181820.1068.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<COL106-W244A797C57137F6B07FA7B4720@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <59372.168.215.206.73.1240584899.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Frank,
Enjoying hearing your progress on this project. Looked at your website
too. Be sure and photo document the project onto your website. We enjoy
the photo progressions.
I've done some experimenting with impossibly stuck parts by placing them
in my wood stove in the evening as I load it for the night. I'll place the
part in the ample bed of hot coals, and then load the nights wood on top
of that. The fire burns all night and I'll let the fire go out all
together. The next evening retrieve the cooled part from the ashes. Loose
parts....works every time!

Now it would take a healthy wood stove to put your Petter cylinder in, but
maybe you could build something using a 55 gallon drum, or maybe a fire
pit in the ground. It's going to need to get really hot, and then cool
very slowly to prevent any damage. I bet this method will work for you.

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

>
> Im still down to the lower end, VERY STUCK pistons, can't turn the engine
>
> over to get @ the rod bolts properly.
>
>
>
> I've squirted every kinda penetrating substance, called in A Witch Doctor,
>
> A Voodoo Priestess, several locals & 911, & still VERY STUCK!!!!!
>
> Next step is to try releasing the cylinders from the base, see if I get
>
> enought movement to get @ the rod bolts. Thats thats the "NO Progress
> Report"
>
> Small real progress, bead blasted the Intake & Exuast manifolds, both
> inside
>
> on outside {they cleaned up well } & a cast iron base door from the spare
> engine.
>
> This base door has an oil fill that will allow adding oil, with out
> pulling a valve cover
>
> like we used to have to do to add oil.
>
>
>
> On the stuck piston, I've thought of a tall pipe in the air &
>
> a wire connected to the engine & pipe, and see if lightning helps.
>
>
>
> I also thought of putting the heads back on & using a charge of
>
> black powder, maybe.
>
>
>
> And the saga / drama goes on ;-}
>
>
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm
>
>         Franklin S. Skinner
>     Marine Surveyor & Consultant
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409
>        34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
>
>
>
>
>
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From don.h at wcoil.com  Fri Apr 24 06:38:05 2009
From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don Heringhaus)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:38:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W244A797C57137F6B07FA7B4720@phx.gbl>
References: <20090423.181820.1068.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<COL106-W244A797C57137F6B07FA7B4720@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <58D3EBC144AB41388C278E72C5F26958@gusPC>

Heat Heat Heat always works
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "frank skinner" <marinesurveys at msn.com>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "AA_OLD ENGINE" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3


>
> Im still down to the lower end, VERY STUCK pistons, can't turn the engine
>
> over to get @ the rod bolts properly.
>
>
>
> I've squirted every kinda penetrating substance, called in A Witch Doctor,
>
> A Voodoo Priestess, several locals & 911, & still VERY STUCK!!!!!
>
> Next step is to try releasing the cylinders from the base, see if I get
>
> enought movement to get @ the rod bolts. Thats thats the "NO Progress 
> Report"
>
> Small real progress, bead blasted the Intake & Exuast manifolds, both 
> inside
>
> on outside {they cleaned up well } & a cast iron base door from the spare 
> engine.
>
> This base door has an oil fill that will allow adding oil, with out 
> pulling a valve cover
>
> like we used to have to do to add oil.
>
>
>
> On the stuck piston, I've thought of a tall pipe in the air &
>
> a wire connected to the engine & pipe, and see if lightning helps.
>
>
>
> I also thought of putting the heads back on & using a charge of
>
> black powder, maybe.
>
>
>
> And the saga / drama goes on ;-}
>
>
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm
>
>        Franklin S. Skinner
>    Marine Surveyor & Consultant
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409
>       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
>
>
>
>
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Apr 24 06:52:54 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 08:52:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W244A797C57137F6B07FA7B4720@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENCIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Frank:

A long time ago I tried the gunpowder trick once with limited success.

The whole thing was an experiment.  I had to get rid of about a quarter pound of black powder and the engine was a locked-up GMC 235 engine that was headed for the scrap heap.

Actually, what happened is that the piston was driven down hard enough to compress the rod, break the crankshaft and blow the oil pan partly off.  I think, had the engine been salvageable, it would have been better to use more conventional methods.

It was impressive, though.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of frank
> skinner
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 03:00 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Cc: AA_OLD ENGINE
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress 
> report No. 3

.....................snip........................
> 
> I also thought of putting the heads back on & 
> using a charge of black powder, maybe.




From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr 24 09:48:03 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:48:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <59372.168.215.206.73.1240584899.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <20090423.181820.1068.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<COL106-W244A797C57137F6B07FA7B4720@phx.gbl>
	<59372.168.215.206.73.1240584899.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <CA6458F8-981F-4DA2-B0D5-A69B73BF4C84@rustyiron.com>

Hi, Curt.  Although these pictures are dinky by today's standards, you  
can see Bill Young using your method on a 15 h.p. Sakai.  Go here:  http://engines.rustyiron.com/Bill

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Apr 24, 2009, at 7:54 AM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:

> Frank,
> Enjoying hearing your progress on this project. Looked at your website
> too. Be sure and photo document the project onto your website. We  
> enjoy
> the photo progressions.
> I've done some experimenting with impossibly stuck parts by placing  
> them
> in my wood stove in the evening as I load it for the night. I'll  
> place the
> part in the ample bed of hot coals, and then load the nights wood on  
> top
> of that. The fire burns all night and I'll let the fire go out all
> together. The next evening retrieve the cooled part from the ashes.  
> Loose
> parts....works every time!
>
> Now it would take a healthy wood stove to put your Petter cylinder  
> in, but
> maybe you could build something using a 55 gallon drum, or maybe a  
> fire
> pit in the ground. It's going to need to get really hot, and then cool
> very slowly to prevent any damage. I bet this method will work for  
> you.
>
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC


From rob at rustyiron.com  Fri Apr 24 11:13:17 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:13:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENCIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENCIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <15047CC8-1725-45DB-95CB-D8D2B0D3EBAD@rustyiron.com>

Elden, you're a pretty smart guy, so now I don't feel so bad.  I'm  
only typing this so nobody else makes any BONEHEADED moves.

The crew was working on a rare, 30 horse engine, and was having  
problems removing the head to fix a water leak.  The engine ran fine,  
but there was a slow drip from the gasket area.  They asked my  
assistance.  As I was trying to separate the head, I was yammering on  
about the time I loosened the head bolts on an engine, primed it,  
tripped the ignitor, and "poof," the head gently popped off.

The other guys liked the story, and strongly suggested we quit wasting  
time and do the same thing.  Very well.  We put the head nuts back on,  
except for the last inch.  I primed the engine with about a quarter  
cup of gasoline, hefted my fat butt onto the flywheels and rocked them  
back, and Kelley tripped the mag.

KAFU!@#$%INGBLOOIE!

When we regained our wits and the smoke cleared, there were flames all  
over from the unburned fuel.  One guy was screeching about "being  
hit."  I beat out the flames with oily rags, and by then, Screecher  
had determined he was ok, only being hit by a chunk of flaming gasket  
material.

It was now time to analyze what had happened.  I walked over to the  
head, to see if it was loose.  It was GONE.  We found it about eight  
feet away.  Half of the 1" bolts were sheared off, the others  
stripped.  The head had blown off and impacted a colossal wood  
cabinet, taking out a big chunk and moving it several inches, then  
ricocheted onto the floor.

Did I mention that the head weighs about 80 pounds?

Did I mention that the head is right at chest level?

If someone had been standing in it's path, they could very well be  
underground right now.  But at least the head was off.  The next week  
was spent making and installing new studs, and by the next weekend we  
had the project complete and the engine was running like a Swiss...  
no... American watch.

I'm sure there's a moral to the story... maybe...
Let a cute girl trip your mag, and you could unexpectedly blow.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.


	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com



















From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Apr 24 10:09:18 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:09:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <59372.168.215.206.73.1240584899.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <20090423.181820.1068.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<COL106-W244A797C57137F6B07FA7B4720@phx.gbl>
	<59372.168.215.206.73.1240584899.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <6e3bf24a68e2b61f73eb1328ded0753b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Curt,

Did Frank say that this engine had an aluminum block and/or aluminum piston?
I wonder of the "firepit technique" might render his key parts blob-like?

I think Leroy Clark had the same sort of success with fire that you describe.  I
think he went a bit further and used a shop vac as a blower to speed the process
along.  Same result though.  Cherry red engine that came apart nicely after it had
cooled.

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, April 24, 2009 10:54 am, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:
>
> Enjoying hearing your progress on this project. Looked at your website
> too. Be sure and photo document the project onto your website. We enjoy
> the photo progressions.
> I've done some experimenting with impossibly stuck parts by placing them
> in my wood stove in the evening as I load it for the night. I'll place the
> part in the ample bed of hot coals, and then load the nights wood on top
> of that. The fire burns all night and I'll let the fire go out all
> together. The next evening retrieve the cooled part from the ashes. Loose
> parts....works every time!
>
> Now it would take a healthy wood stove to put your Petter cylinder in, but
> maybe you could build something using a 55 gallon drum, or maybe a fire
> pit in the ground. It's going to need to get really hot, and then cool
> very slowly to prevent any damage. I bet this method will work for you.





From marinesurveys at msn.com  Fri Apr 24 12:12:30 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:12:30 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <6e3bf24a68e2b61f73eb1328ded0753b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <20090423.181820.1068.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<COL106-W244A797C57137F6B07FA7B4720@phx.gbl>
	<59372.168.215.206.73.1240584899.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> 
	<6e3bf24a68e2b61f73eb1328ded0753b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W44D18567145396B638AD5EB4720@phx.gbl>


Arnie;

It indeed has alum. pistons, the cylinders are removable, if i can roll it enough to get the rodbolts loose.

 

More to follow

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:09:18 -0400
> From: fero_ah at city-net.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
> 
> Curt,
> 
> Did Frank say that this engine had an aluminum block and/or aluminum piston?
> I wonder of the "firepit technique" might render his key parts blob-like?
> 
> I think Leroy Clark had the same sort of success with fire that you describe. I
> think he went a bit further and used a shop vac as a blower to speed the process
> along. Same result though. Cherry red engine that came apart nicely after it had
> cooled.
> 
> See ya, Arnie
> 
> On Fri, April 24, 2009 10:54 am, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:
> >
> > Enjoying hearing your progress on this project. Looked at your website
> > too. Be sure and photo document the project onto your website. We enjoy
> > the photo progressions.
> > I've done some experimenting with impossibly stuck parts by placing them
> > in my wood stove in the evening as I load it for the night. I'll place the
> > part in the ample bed of hot coals, and then load the nights wood on top
> > of that. The fire burns all night and I'll let the fire go out all
> > together. The next evening retrieve the cooled part from the ashes. Loose
> > parts....works every time!
> >
> > Now it would take a healthy wood stove to put your Petter cylinder in, but
> > maybe you could build something using a 55 gallon drum, or maybe a fire
> > pit in the ground. It's going to need to get really hot, and then cool
> > very slowly to prevent any damage. I bet this method will work for you.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Apr 24 12:28:55 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:28:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENCIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENCIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <62b7595dbc79214dce429cb363f0f72a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hmmmm, sounds pretty fantastical.  I don't imagine that there are any pictures?

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, April 24, 2009 9:52 am, Elden DuRand wrote:
>
> A long time ago I tried the gunpowder trick once with limited success.
>
> The whole thing was an experiment.  I had to get rid of about a quarter pound of
> black powder and the engine was a locked-up GMC 235 engine that was headed for the
> scrap heap.
>
> Actually, what happened is that the piston was driven down hard enough to compress
> the rod, break the crankshaft and blow the oil pan partly off.  I think, had the
> engine been salvageable, it would have been better to use more conventional methods.





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Apr 24 12:37:12 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:37:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <15047CC8-1725-45DB-95CB-D8D2B0D3EBAD@rustyiron.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENCIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<15047CC8-1725-45DB-95CB-D8D2B0D3EBAD@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <ee75ba5e956fbc58cf485334822451d5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

I don't suppose YOU have any pictures either?  (Video, of course, would be even
better...)

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, April 24, 2009 2:13 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
> I primed the engine with about a quarter
> cup of gasoline, hefted my fat butt onto the flywheels and rocked them
> back, and Kelley tripped the mag.
>
> KAFU!@#$%INGBLOOIE!
>
> Let a cute girl trip your mag, and you could unexpectedly blow.





From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Apr 24 13:57:19 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:57:19 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
Message-ID: <d5e.4a1ac3a0.372381af@aol.com>

Can you get it on a hydraulic press, with machine block on top of piston  
and start putting some pressure on it, letting it sit a couple of days with  
penetrant on it, increasing the pressure over time?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Fri Apr 24 14:33:14 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:33:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <ee75ba5e956fbc58cf485334822451d5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENCIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<15047CC8-1725-45DB-95CB-D8D2B0D3EBAD@rustyiron.com> 
	<ee75ba5e956fbc58cf485334822451d5.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W110DCE65CBD97473F371C8B4720@phx.gbl>


Arnie;

 I have a kerosene vid camera ;-}

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:37:12 -0400
> From: fero_ah at city-net.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
> 
> I don't suppose YOU have any pictures either? (Video, of course, would be even
> better...)
> 
> See ya, Arnie
> 
> On Fri, April 24, 2009 2:13 pm, Rob Skinner wrote:
> > I primed the engine with about a quarter
> > cup of gasoline, hefted my fat butt onto the flywheels and rocked them
> > back, and Kelley tripped the mag.
> >
> > KAFU!@#$%INGBLOOIE!
> >
> > Let a cute girl trip your mag, and you could unexpectedly blow.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Apr 25 11:15:51 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:15:51 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1240675202.9732.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090425201152.01c3c9b0@mail.atech.co.za>


>From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
>Frank:
>A long time ago I tried the gunpowder trick once with limited success.
>The whole thing was an experiment.  I had to get rid of about a quarter 
>pound of black powder and the engine was a locked-up GMC 235 engine that 
>was headed for the scrap heap.
>Actually, what happened is that the piston was driven down hard enough to 
>compress the rod, break the crankshaft and blow the oil pan partly off.  I 
>think, had the engine been salvageable, it would have been better to use 
>more conventional methods.
>It was impressive, though.
>Take care - Elden

Hi Elden,
         When Frank mentioned gunpowder I took it that he was making a 
joke. Interesting to hear that you actually tried using it. Also 
interesting to hear the result :-)


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From marinesurveys at msn.com  Sun Apr 26 03:32:09 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 06:32:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV-2
Message-ID: <COL106-W6474893C1DC2898FFE253AB4700@phx.gbl>


Hi all;

On my restore of a Petter AV-2, series II , I have an operators manual

but it leaves a lot unknown in an overhual of the engine, in tech. data.

 

Would any of you know of a proper workshop manual, or copy of same

that I might obtain ?

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner/index.htm

 

               Thanks

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470





From rob at rustyiron.com  Sun Apr 26 09:02:58 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:02:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV-2
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W6474893C1DC2898FFE253AB4700@phx.gbl>
References: <COL106-W6474893C1DC2898FFE253AB4700@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B7E120E7-7209-4E94-B7C3-AC499771F153@rustyiron.com>

Paul Evans has an AV1/2 manual available on his web page, www.internalfire.com 
.  You will have to request access to be able to download the manuals.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Apr 26, 2009, at 3:32 AM, frank skinner wrote:

>
> Hi all;
>
> On my restore of a Petter AV-2, series II , I have an operators manual
>
> but it leaves a lot unknown in an overhual of the engine, in tech.  
> data.
>
>
>
> Would any of you know of a proper workshop manual, or copy of same
>
> that I might obtain ?



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Apr 26 17:35:05 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:35:05 EDT
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
Message-ID: <cee.56d38061.372657b9@aol.com>

Over the years I have used piston ring pliers, (I have several), for  small 
rings, borrowed a larger set from a truck repair shop for larger  rings, 
used hacksaw blades with set removed for installation shims, and fought  them 
in other ways to get on the piston.  Getting ready to install some new  
rings on a 5 inch piston, and the shim method is a bear with just two  hands.  
Maybe it is time to invest in a large set of ring pliers. Anyone  got a 
favorite trick that they use to install the larger rings?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 26 18:20:53 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:20:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <cee.56d38061.372657b9@aol.com>
References: <cee.56d38061.372657b9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W4160AAAAEB188A9CA8658195710@phx.gbl>


Tom. I cut five or six strips of copper flashing  when I put the rings in the big Foos and did it with two hands. the trick was  having enough strips to keep the rings spread. Steve
 
> From: Germoamer at aol.com
> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:35:05 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] piston rings
> 
> Over the years I have used piston ring pliers, (I have several), for small 
> rings, borrowed a larger set from a truck repair shop for larger rings, 
> used hacksaw blades with set removed for installation shims, and fought them 
> in other ways to get on the piston. Getting ready to install some new 
> rings on a 5 inch piston, and the shim method is a bear with just two hands. 
> Maybe it is time to invest in a large set of ring pliers. Anyone got a 
> favorite trick that they use to install the larger rings? 
> 
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> 
> **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the 
> web. Get the Radio Toolbar! 
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Sun Apr 26 18:20:58 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:20:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <cee.56d38061.372657b9@aol.com>
References: <cee.56d38061.372657b9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <49F5087A.5040705@rustic-engines.com>

Yup, buy the right tools.  :-)

Piston Insertion Tool:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/175mm-Spring-Steel-Ratchet-Piston-Ring-Compressor-Tool_W0QQitemZ230338479425QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item230338479425&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1171%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

Ring Removal & Fitting Tool (fifth item down):

> http://www.mytoolstore.com/kd/kdengi08.html

Few more places here for 5'' Pliers:

> http://www.thefind.com/query.php?query=5%22+piston+ring+pliers

Cheers,

Al Harris
Autumn Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> Over the years I have used piston ring pliers, (I have several), for  small 
> rings, borrowed a larger set from a truck repair shop for larger  rings, 
> used hacksaw blades with set removed for installation shims, and fought  them 
> in other ways to get on the piston.  Getting ready to install some new  
> rings on a 5 inch piston, and the shim method is a bear with just two  hands.  
> Maybe it is time to invest in a large set of ring pliers. Anyone  got a 
> favorite trick that they use to install the larger rings?  
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Sun Apr 26 18:24:09 2009
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:24:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
References: <cee.56d38061.372657b9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAAF63414952493CAB78FA9B25D014B2@Ed>

I have used hose clamps for small pistons. You might be able to put two hose 
clamps together for the 5 inch.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 8:35 PM
Subject: [SEL] piston rings


> Over the years I have used piston ring pliers, (I have several), for 
> small
> rings, borrowed a larger set from a truck repair shop for larger  rings,
> used hacksaw blades with set removed for installation shims, and fought 
> them
> in other ways to get on the piston.  Getting ready to install some new
> rings on a 5 inch piston, and the shim method is a bear with just two 
> hands.
> Maybe it is time to invest in a large set of ring pliers. Anyone  got a
> favorite trick that they use to install the larger rings?
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Sun Apr 26 18:54:12 2009
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:54:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <CAAF63414952493CAB78FA9B25D014B2@Ed>
References: <cee.56d38061.372657b9@aol.com>
	<CAAF63414952493CAB78FA9B25D014B2@Ed>
Message-ID: <80AD0630FEB24B8D9DF984BFA311F2B5@KerryPC>

Ed I think Tom is talking about spreading the new rings to go over the 
piston, not piston into cylinder


>I have used hose clamps for small pistons. You might be able to put two 
>hose
> clamps together for the 5 inch.


Kerry

Lithgow NSW Oz 



From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com  Mon Apr 27 01:47:19 2009
From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (rustyiron1)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:47:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
References: <cee.56d38061.372657b9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <65997F6B6C444F548D8F9362E6B2E644@Andy>

Hi Tom.
What I've used on large piston rings, is two pieces of Auto wire tide into 
two loops.
Make them about 2.5"Dia, place one end on the end of the ring and the other 
over your thumb,
do this to both hands.
With the thumbs through the loop and attached to the ring ends, you should 
be able to pull the ring apart enough
to slide over the piston, and still control the ring from moving up or down 
with the rest of your hand.
Be careful I also have broken some rings!
Andy.........

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: [SEL] piston rings


> Over the years I have used piston ring pliers, (I have several), for 
> small
> rings, borrowed a larger set from a truck repair shop for larger  rings,
> used hacksaw blades with set removed for installation shims, and fought 
> them
> in other ways to get on the piston.  Getting ready to install some new
> rings on a 5 inch piston, and the shim method is a bear with just two 
> hands.
> Maybe it is time to invest in a large set of ring pliers. Anyone  got a
> favorite trick that they use to install the larger rings?
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
>
> **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the
> web. Get the Radio Toolbar!
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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Mon Apr 27 03:03:43 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 06:03:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <65997F6B6C444F548D8F9362E6B2E644@Andy>
References: <cee.56d38061.372657b9@aol.com>
	<65997F6B6C444F548D8F9362E6B2E644@Andy>
Message-ID: <COL106-W6024A65BA10F9DF31B78D9B4710@phx.gbl>


Hi all;

I've done simular to what Andy described, except using a heave piece of cloth

in each hand, grabbing the ends of the ring, spread it a bit, slip it carefully over 

the piston.  don't let it get in the groove until you remove the cloth.

I've broken a few as well :)

 

Best of luck, proper tools are no challenge , <EG>

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:47:19 +1000
> Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings
> 
> Hi Tom.
> What I've used on large piston rings, is two pieces of Auto wire tide into 
> two loops.
> Make them about 2.5"Dia, place one end on the end of the ring and the other 
> over your thumb,
> do this to both hands.
> With the thumbs through the loop and attached to the ring ends, you should 
> be able to pull the ring apart enough
> to slide over the piston, and still control the ring from moving up or down 
> with the rest of your hand.
> Be careful I also have broken some rings!
> Andy.........
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:35 AM
> Subject: [SEL] piston rings
> 
> 
> > Over the years I have used piston ring pliers, (I have several), for 
> > small
> > rings, borrowed a larger set from a truck repair shop for larger rings,
> > used hacksaw blades with set removed for installation shims, and fought 
> > them
> > in other ways to get on the piston. Getting ready to install some new
> > rings on a 5 inch piston, and the shim method is a bear with just two 
> > hands.
> > Maybe it is time to invest in a large set of ring pliers. Anyone got a
> > favorite trick that they use to install the larger rings?
> >
> > Tom Schmutz
> > Concord, Va.
> > germoamer at AOL.com
> >
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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Mon Apr 27 03:13:54 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 06:13:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter Restore, progress report #4
Message-ID: <COL106-W321A0A34D85F5F32D0FB19B4710@phx.gbl>


Hi All;
Well it's been s struggle but I'm down to almost the Block & Crankshaft.
Remaining is the back housing {Timing Gear Cover } this wont be bad to remove.
The Transmission / reduction was a fight, but the hot blue wrench won.
Now to tackle the stuck pistons, I'm rigging a hydraulic ram to ease
the # 2 down a bit then disconnect both Conn. Rods.
Items that remain frozen, both pistons, 2 lifters, & the Flywheel,
all have been soaking for days now.
 
 
PS;  I'd Commit a SERIOUS crime to get my hands on a workshop / overhual manual
the Hand book I have isn't a lot of help in this respect.
 
And the rust goes on, and the rust goes on :)

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470




From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Apr 27 04:41:16 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:41:16 EDT
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
Message-ID: <cf8.555d723c.3726f3dc@aol.com>

Andy,
 
The wire method is something I have never thought of.  These rings are  !/2 
inch wide and 5 inch diameter, so pretty strong to expand and slide  over 
the piston.  Edd, you are right, it is expansion over piston, not into  
cylinder which is not a problem on this engine.  Sending Millie by the  truck 
repair shop and see if they still have the larger pliers and would lend  them 
to me again.  If not, I think I will buy a big pair and have them for  my 
future use or the auctioneer after I am gone!
 
Thanks,  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

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From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Apr 27 04:47:20 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:47:20 EDT
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
Message-ID: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/26/2009 9:31:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:

did it  with two hands. the trick was  having enough strips to keep the 
rings  spread.
 
Steve,
 

Yep, same as using old hacksaw blades with set removed.  The trick is  
getting all the strips to stay in place while getting the ring initially  
started.  sometimes think I would like to figure how to get my toes to help  with 
the hands to hold stuff!  HA!
 
Did you get my email I sent you about the Lowes stop after leaving  
Reidsville?
 
Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Apr 27 05:26:23 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:26:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <cee.56d38061.372657b9@aol.com>
References: <cee.56d38061.372657b9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <17e5663ef8f2c401d39d396290b42d24.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Tom,

Put another vote in the "shims" column.  I've used the pliers on small rings but on
the bigger ones I've used the spring steel shims.  The thing I've found tricky is
that it seems that at a given time, only a couple of the shims are taking the load
and the others have a tendency to slip out.  Still and all it's worked for me.

Good luck!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, April 26, 2009 8:35 pm, Germoamer at aol.com wrote:
> Over the years I have used piston ring pliers, (I have several), for  small
> rings, borrowed a larger set from a truck repair shop for larger  rings,
> used hacksaw blades with set removed for installation shims, and fought  them
> in other ways to get on the piston.  Getting ready to install some new
> rings on a 5 inch piston, and the shim method is a bear with just two  hands.
> Maybe it is time to invest in a large set of ring pliers. Anyone  got a
> favorite trick that they use to install the larger rings?




From curt at rustyiron.com  Mon Apr 27 06:42:37 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:42:37 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <6e3bf24a68e2b61f73eb1328ded0753b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <20090423.181820.1068.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<COL106-W244A797C57137F6B07FA7B4720@phx.gbl>
	<59372.168.215.206.73.1240584899.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<6e3bf24a68e2b61f73eb1328ded0753b.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <59248.168.215.206.73.1240839757.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Arnie,
I missed this point about aluminum pistons in his post and photos on the
'net. Looking at the photos again the pistons still look "rusty". Given
the damage to the cylinder wall they will certainly have to be bored to
clean them up. I'd view the aluminum pistons as a blessing. Sacrifice
them. Heat 'em with a torch and melt them out of the way, letting the
cylinders come free of the block. Replacement oversize pistons ought to be
easy to find for a Petter. If not, easy to cast some new ones.
Curt



> Curt,
>
> Did Frank say that this engine had an aluminum block and/or aluminum
> piston?
> I wonder of the "firepit technique" might render his key parts blob-like?
>
> I think Leroy Clark had the same sort of success with fire that you
> describe.  I
> think he went a bit further and used a shop vac as a blower to speed the
> process
> along.  Same result though.  Cherry red engine that came apart nicely
> after it had
> cooled.
>




From curt at rustyiron.com  Mon Apr 27 07:24:46 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:24:46 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com>
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com>
Message-ID: <59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Tom,
I made new piston rings for a couple of friends last fall and fitted them
to the pistons. I took apart a feeler gage set and used 3 or 4 of the
feeler gages. They are made of a decent tempered steel and won't buckle as
the ring slides over the grooves allowing you to use quite thin strips.
Thankfully no broken rings, but I did make an extra ring for each just in
case.
Curt Holland


> In a message dated 4/26/2009 9:31:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:
>
> did it  with two hands. the trick was  having enough strips to keep the
> rings  spread.
>
> Steve,
>
>
> Yep, same as using old hacksaw blades with set removed.  The trick is
> getting all the strips to stay in place while getting the ring initially
> started.  sometimes think I would like to figure how to get my toes to
> help  with
> the hands to hold stuff!  HA!
>
> Did you get my email I sent you about the Lowes stop after leaving
> Reidsville?
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the
> web. Get the Radio Toolbar!
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From wayne at lorenssanitation.com  Mon Apr 27 07:59:02 2009
From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:59:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com>
	<59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>

Curt,

Would it be possible for you to walk us through the procedure of making
piston rings. This is something I have been wanting to try for sometime but
can't seem to find anything on how it is done.

Thanks,

Wayne A Thackery



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
curt at rustyiron.com
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:25 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings

Tom,
I made new piston rings for a couple of friends last fall and fitted them
to the pistons. I took apart a feeler gage set and used 3 or 4 of the
feeler gages. They are made of a decent tempered steel and won't buckle as
the ring slides over the grooves allowing you to use quite thin strips.
Thankfully no broken rings, but I did make an extra ring for each just in
case.
Curt Holland


> In a message dated 4/26/2009 9:31:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:
>
> did it  with two hands. the trick was  having enough strips to keep the
> rings  spread.
>
> Steve,
>
>
> Yep, same as using old hacksaw blades with set removed.  The trick is
> getting all the strips to stay in place while getting the ring initially
> started.  sometimes think I would like to figure how to get my toes to
> help  with
> the hands to hold stuff!  HA!
>
> Did you get my email I sent you about the Lowes stop after leaving
> Reidsville?
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the
> web. Get the Radio Toolbar!
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Apr 27 09:45:58 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:45:58 +0200
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1240848002.26971.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090427183209.028596a8@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 27/04/2009, you wrote:
>Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:24:09 -0400
>From: "Ed stoller" <edstoller at earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings
>I have used hose clamps for small pistons. You might be able to put two hose
>clamps together for the 5 inch.
>Ed Stoller

Hi Guys,
          I do understand that this thread is concerned with getting the 
rings to the correct grooves but to expand on Ed's answer above:
         Another good tip when you do not have a ring compressor or yours 
is the wrong size is to use "cable ties":
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_tie>
         They work great when you've got nothing else and are really cheap. 
They slip off easily due to being made of nylon and when the piston is in 
place you just cut them off with sidecutters. You can also join a few 
together if needs be but they are so cheap that it's a good idea keep a few 
different sizes in stock.

         They also make great temporary replacements for hose clamps on 
water and fuel lines.
         I hope it's useful tip.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From b2 at chooka.net  Mon Apr 27 10:08:01 2009
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:08:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com><59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>
Message-ID: <7467A1A8B88E4C15986C18AB693015FD@apluscomputer.local>

I have a 2-page scanned document that I'm pretty sure came off this list
sometime in the past few years.  It is a good write-up on making your own
piston rings.

It's about 1.5 meg total size.  Wayne (or anybody else who cares) send me
your e-mail address and I'll forward a copy of the files to you.

B?

Bill Brueck
   Chatfield, Minnesota, USA

b2 at chooka.net

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Thackery
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:59 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings

Curt,

Would it be possible for you to walk us through the procedure of making
piston rings. This is something I have been wanting to try for sometime but
can't seem to find anything on how it is done.

Thanks,

Wayne A Thackery



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
curt at rustyiron.com
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:25 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings

Tom,
I made new piston rings for a couple of friends last fall and fitted them to
the pistons. I took apart a feeler gage set and used 3 or 4 of the feeler
gages. They are made of a decent tempered steel and won't buckle as the ring
slides over the grooves allowing you to use quite thin strips.
Thankfully no broken rings, but I did make an extra ring for each just in
case.
Curt Holland


> In a message dated 4/26/2009 9:31:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:
>
> did it  with two hands. the trick was  having enough strips to keep 
> the rings  spread.
>
> Steve,
>
>
> Yep, same as using old hacksaw blades with set removed.  The trick is 
> getting all the strips to stay in place while getting the ring 
> initially started.  sometimes think I would like to figure how to get 
> my toes to help  with the hands to hold stuff!  HA!
>
> Did you get my email I sent you about the Lowes stop after leaving 
> Reidsville?
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on 
> the web. Get the Radio Toolbar!
> (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown000000
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 27 10:25:34 2009
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:25:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com><59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>
	<7467A1A8B88E4C15986C18AB693015FD@apluscomputer.local>
Message-ID: <42DE0C2346B344C29D93FBC694E17E2F@Ed>

I think I have saved the same file. The text alone should be small.  I will 
not send the pictures here.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Brueck" <b2 at chooka.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings


I have a 2-page scanned document that I'm pretty sure came off this list
sometime in the past few years.  It is a good write-up on making your own
piston rings.

It's about 1.5 meg total size.  Wayne (or anybody else who cares) send me
your e-mail address and I'll forward a copy of the files to you.

B?

Bill Brueck
   Chatfield, Minnesota, USA

b2 at chooka.net

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Thackery
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:59 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings

Curt,

Would it be possible for you to walk us through the procedure of making
piston rings. This is something I have been wanting to try for sometime but
can't seem to find anything on how it is done.

Thanks,

Wayne A Thackery



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
curt at rustyiron.com
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:25 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings

Tom,
I made new piston rings for a couple of friends last fall and fitted them to
the pistons. I took apart a feeler gage set and used 3 or 4 of the feeler
gages. They are made of a decent tempered steel and won't buckle as the ring
slides over the grooves allowing you to use quite thin strips.
Thankfully no broken rings, but I did make an extra ring for each just in
case.
Curt Holland


> In a message dated 4/26/2009 9:31:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:
>
> did it  with two hands. the trick was  having enough strips to keep
> the rings  spread.
>
> Steve,
>
>
> Yep, same as using old hacksaw blades with set removed.  The trick is
> getting all the strips to stay in place while getting the ring
> initially started.  sometimes think I would like to figure how to get
> my toes to help  with the hands to hold stuff!  HA!
>
> Did you get my email I sent you about the Lowes stop after leaving
> Reidsville?
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on
> the web. Get the Radio Toolbar!
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 27 10:28:01 2009
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:28:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com><59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>
	<7467A1A8B88E4C15986C18AB693015FD@apluscomputer.local>
Message-ID: <5DEF92782A5E4F16BB667E71C3E48D64@Ed>

Oops, this file is on making pistons, not rings.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Brueck" <b2 at chooka.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings


I have a 2-page scanned document that I'm pretty sure came off this list
sometime in the past few years.  It is a good write-up on making your own
piston rings.

It's about 1.5 meg total size.  Wayne (or anybody else who cares) send me
your e-mail address and I'll forward a copy of the files to you.

B?

Bill Brueck
   Chatfield, Minnesota, USA

b2 at chooka.net

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Thackery
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:59 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings

Curt,

Would it be possible for you to walk us through the procedure of making
piston rings. This is something I have been wanting to try for sometime but
can't seem to find anything on how it is done.

Thanks,

Wayne A Thackery



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
curt at rustyiron.com
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:25 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings

Tom,
I made new piston rings for a couple of friends last fall and fitted them to
the pistons. I took apart a feeler gage set and used 3 or 4 of the feeler
gages. They are made of a decent tempered steel and won't buckle as the ring
slides over the grooves allowing you to use quite thin strips.
Thankfully no broken rings, but I did make an extra ring for each just in
case.
Curt Holland


> In a message dated 4/26/2009 9:31:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:
>
> did it  with two hands. the trick was  having enough strips to keep
> the rings  spread.
>
> Steve,
>
>
> Yep, same as using old hacksaw blades with set removed.  The trick is
> getting all the strips to stay in place while getting the ring
> initially started.  sometimes think I would like to figure how to get
> my toes to help  with the hands to hold stuff!  HA!
>
> Did you get my email I sent you about the Lowes stop after leaving
> Reidsville?
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on
> the web. Get the Radio Toolbar!
> (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown000000
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Apr 27 12:16:11 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:16:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090427183209.028596a8@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090427183209.028596a8@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <cf33cd7b2e10943543a0a8f3938885be.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Jerry,

I've tried using cable ties in lieu of a ring compressor and did not have success. 
The rings just weren't compressed down below the surface of the piston.  Hose clamps
have worked well however.

I also don't see being able to apply enough "squeeze" to a water or fuel line with a
cable tie to make a difference.

If you've had success with both, GREAT.  That success may not be universal.

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, April 27, 2009 12:45 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
>           I do understand that this thread is concerned with getting the
> rings to the correct grooves but to expand on Ed's answer above:
>          Another good tip when you do not have a ring compressor or yours
> is the wrong size is to use "cable ties":
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_tie>
>          They work great when you've got nothing else and are really cheap.
> They slip off easily due to being made of nylon and when the piston is in
> place you just cut them off with sidecutters. You can also join a few
> together if needs be but they are so cheap that it's a good idea keep a few
> different sizes in stock.
>
>          They also make great temporary replacements for hose clamps on
> water and fuel lines.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Apr 27 12:28:41 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:28:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC - Ballot Box Stuffing Request
Message-ID: <da3179b88a2b0538d0fd8c2ef800f7cb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

We're coming down to the wire on this one and it's turning out to be quite a
nail-biter.  #19 is holding onto a razor-thin 20 vote lead over arch-rival #7.  The
contest ends at midnight (in Sweden) on April 30th.

If you haven't voted yet (or haven't voted from all of your computers), I'd really
appreciate it if you would cast a vote for #19.

Thanks!!

See ya,  Arnie

--------------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------------
Subject: Ballot Box Stuffing Request
From:    "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Date:    Mon, March 16, 2009 12:09 pm
To:      slick at toltbbs.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Folks,

I need your help.  One of my power plant customers in Sweden recently had her
daughter get married.  Said daughter has had one of her wedding pictures selected
for a "best bride picture" contest.

I'd really appreciate it if y'all could help out with a little ballot box stuffing.

She's picture #19 and really is a lovely bride and it is a very nice picture.  You
can only vote once from a given computer.  8-))

THANKS!!  Arnie

--------------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------------

Best regards, Eva-Lena

PS. My daughter is chosen to be in a competition with the best bride picture of the
year:-) I would be very happy if you could give some votes from the US. The address
is following http://www.brollopsmagasinet.se/?id=10554 and her picture is number 19.
The pictures are further down on that page.

--------------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------------




From ddotto at cableone.net  Mon Apr 27 16:13:08 2009
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:13:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC - Ballot Box Stuffing Request
In-Reply-To: <da3179b88a2b0538d0fd8c2ef800f7cb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <da3179b88a2b0538d0fd8c2ef800f7cb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <DEA1EFF6998A4C13B2ED924147E9C644@SHOP>

Hey Arnie

I added another vote from work today.

Dave



Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 1:29 PM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; slick at toltbbs.com;
sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC - Ballot Box Stuffing Request
Importance: Low

Hi Folks,

We're coming down to the wire on this one and it's turning out to be quite a
nail-biter.  #19 is holding onto a razor-thin 20 vote lead over arch-rival
#7.  The
contest ends at midnight (in Sweden) on April 30th.

If you haven't voted yet (or haven't voted from all of your computers), I'd
really
appreciate it if you would cast a vote for #19.

Thanks!!

See ya,  Arnie

--------------------------------- Original Message
---------------------------------
Subject: Ballot Box Stuffing Request
From:    "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Date:    Mon, March 16, 2009 12:09 pm
To:      slick at toltbbs.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------

Hi Folks,

I need your help.  One of my power plant customers in Sweden recently had
her
daughter get married.  Said daughter has had one of her wedding pictures
selected
for a "best bride picture" contest.

I'd really appreciate it if y'all could help out with a little ballot box
stuffing.

She's picture #19 and really is a lovely bride and it is a very nice
picture.  You
can only vote once from a given computer.  8-))

THANKS!!  Arnie

--------------------------------- Original Message
---------------------------------

Best regards, Eva-Lena

PS. My daughter is chosen to be in a competition with the best bride picture
of the
year:-) I would be very happy if you could give some votes from the US. The
address
is following http://www.brollopsmagasinet.se/?id=10554 and her picture is
number 19.
The pictures are further down on that page.

--------------------------------- Original Message
---------------------------------


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From jbcast at charter.net  Mon Apr 27 18:38:34 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:38:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <cf33cd7b2e10943543a0a8f3938885be.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20090427213834.PDN90.1682224.root@mp20>


I use snap ring pliers, the heavy flat ones for removing square snap rings, if I break a ring I'll let you know. :-)  Tie wraps are used in the auto industry on vacuum and vent hoses, no pressure applications. Outboards use them on fuel lines, these are low pressure systems. I find that if you make two wraps you can get a little more stretch, they'll hold better.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA


From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Apr 27 20:28:46 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:28:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Caught in New HAmpshire
Message-ID: <20090428032835.0BFB733C0345@mail06.wcoil.com>


>Hi Every One,

  I received word yesterday from a engine collector friend in New 
Hampshire of the capture in the act of two people from Maine 
attempting to steal an engine from his house this past weekend. 
Details are still sketchy. I will pass on more as the details come out.
The thieves are cooling their heals in the county lock up and 
awaiting arraignment on Tuesday. Their truck is in
impound.                Mark







Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site   www.Maytagclub.com  



From cwja at telus.net  Mon Apr 27 20:47:26 2009
From: cwja at telus.net (Allen Home)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:47:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] What Show to Visit
Message-ID: <49F67C4E.4090009@telus.net>

Hello to All;
Its been a long time lurking for me but now I need some help. My wife 
and I am planning to be in London, Toronto and Midland, Ontario, Canada 
some time in July and /or early August this year. We want to attend some 
engine and tractor shows in Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, or 
Ohio. I have the 2009 Show Directory but do not know what are the best 
showes to attend in terms of size and variety. We will fly into Toronto 
and rent a car for a few weeks. We would plan to do day trips from 
London or Toronto or overnight stays for special shows. Any advice would 
be welcome. We might be convinced to drive  from Edmonton through Canada 
and northern states via Chicago up to Toronto if special shows are 
suggested.

-- 

Jeff & Marja Allen  at Home
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada




From taltos at accglobal.net  Mon Apr 27 21:47:35 2009
From: taltos at accglobal.net (Andrew Walker)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:47:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What Show to Visit
In-Reply-To: <49F67C4E.4090009@telus.net>
References: <49F67C4E.4090009@telus.net>
Message-ID: <49F68A67.9080506@accglobal.net>

Here's some links for Ontario stuff to do. Check the sites out and see 
if the dates correspond well enough for you.

http://www.steamshow.ca   Cookstown,On   A local club I've belonged to 
since 1977.
http://www.bracebridgechamber.com/mppa/events.htm   Featuring 
Massey-Harris this, their 25th annual show.
http://www.ilderton.ca/heritageclub/index.htm  This is just north of London.
http://www.countryheritagepark.com    You have to visit here. July 17th 
is the antique power show but the park is worth the visit.
Also google the Hamilton Museum of Steam and Technology. They don't have 
their own website.

That's some of my thoughts anyway.

Andrew Walker




Allen Home wrote:
> Hello to All;
> Its been a long time lurking for me but now I need some help. My wife 
> and I am planning to be in London, Toronto and Midland, Ontario, Canada 
> some time in July and /or early August this year. We want to attend some 
> engine and tractor shows in Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, or 
> Ohio. I have the 2009 Show Directory but do not know what are the best 
> showes to attend in terms of size and variety. We will fly into Toronto 
> and rent a car for a few weeks. We would plan to do day trips from 
> London or Toronto or overnight stays for special shows. Any advice would 
> be welcome. We might be convinced to drive  from Edmonton through Canada 
> and northern states via Chicago up to Toronto if special shows are 
> suggested.
>
>   



From rotigel at me.com  Mon Apr 27 21:53:49 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:53:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What Show to Visit
References: <49F67C4E.4090009@telus.net>
Message-ID: <00f401c9c7bd$52f7fce0$0901000a@coec543>

Hi Jeff and Marja, You fail to mention TWO shows that are a must for any 
engine gal/man. The first is in Baraboo, WI the 2nd weekend in August and 
the second is MECA. MECA is sometimes referred to as Portland IN since it IS 
referred to as the LARGEST ENGINE SHOW IN THE world! You also need to plan a 
trip to one of the COOLSPRING, PA shows/museum. You will see engines there 
that are ONE OF A KIND!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Allen Home" <cwja at telus.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:47 PM
Subject: [SEL] What Show to Visit


> Hello to All;
> Its been a long time lurking for me but now I need some help. My wife
> and I am planning to be in London, Toronto and Midland, Ontario, Canada
> some time in July and /or early August this year. We want to attend some
> engine and tractor shows in Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, or
> Ohio. I have the 2009 Show Directory but do not know what are the best
> showes to attend in terms of size and variety. We will fly into Toronto
> and rent a car for a few weeks. We would plan to do day trips from
> London or Toronto or overnight stays for special shows. Any advice would
> be welcome. We might be convinced to drive  from Edmonton through Canada
> and northern states via Chicago up to Toronto if special shows are
> suggested.
>
> -- 
>
> Jeff & Marja Allen  at Home
> Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
>
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 28 04:16:52 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 04:16:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] What Show to Visit
Message-ID: <557024.77508.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Jeff,
?
Since you mentioned Michigan I will offer this great show at Buckley, Michigan.
Dates for this year are?August 13-16. Really the show is only half there on Sunday.
http://www.buckleyoldengineshow.org/Event-Information/Buckley-Old-Engine-Show/Show-Dates

Alan in Michigan
?

--- On Mon, 4/27/09, Allen Home <cwja at telus.net> wrote:


From: Allen Home <cwja at telus.net>
Subject: [SEL] What Show to Visit
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 11:47 PM


Hello to All;
Its been a long time lurking for me but now I need some help. My wife 
and I am planning to be in London, Toronto and Midland, Ontario, Canada 
some time in July and /or early August this year. We want to attend some 
engine and tractor shows in Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, or 
Ohio. I have the 2009 Show Directory but do not know what are the best 
showes to attend in terms of size and variety. We will fly into Toronto 
and rent a car for a few weeks. We would plan to do day trips from 
London or Toronto or overnight stays for special shows. Any advice would 
be welcome. We might be convinced to drive? from Edmonton through Canada 
and northern states via Chicago up to Toronto if special shows are 
suggested.

-- 

Jeff & Marja Allen? at Home
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada


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From curt at rustyiron.com  Tue Apr 28 05:18:58 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 06:18:58 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com>
	<59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>
Message-ID: <59266.168.215.206.73.1240921138.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Wayne,
For several years I've had a link on my webpage for 2 scanned documents on
making piston rings using the heat treat method. I never tried this method
as I questioned it's effectiveness.

The traditional method is to cut an over sized ring of the correct
dimensions, remove a section, compress the ring to a collapsed diameter
(now oval shaped), mount the compressed ring in a turning fixture and then
turn the OD to exactly the cylinder diameter. This is the method used by
folks like Niagara Piston Ring.

I took photos as I was doing this last summer and placed it on my website.
Here is the link.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MakingPistonRings/Thumbnails.html>

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC




> Curt,
>
> Would it be possible for you to walk us through the procedure of making
> piston rings. This is something I have been wanting to try for sometime
> but
> can't seem to find anything on how it is done.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wayne A Thackery
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> curt at rustyiron.com
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:25 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings
>
> Tom,
> I made new piston rings for a couple of friends last fall and fitted them
> to the pistons. I took apart a feeler gage set and used 3 or 4 of the
> feeler gages. They are made of a decent tempered steel and won't buckle as
> the ring slides over the grooves allowing you to use quite thin strips.
> Thankfully no broken rings, but I did make an extra ring for each just in
> case.
> Curt Holland
>
>
>> In a message dated 4/26/2009 9:31:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>> steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:
>>
>> did it  with two hands. the trick was  having enough strips to keep the
>> rings  spread.
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>>
>> Yep, same as using old hacksaw blades with set removed.  The trick is
>> getting all the strips to stay in place while getting the ring initially
>> started.  sometimes think I would like to figure how to get my toes to
>> help  with
>> the hands to hold stuff!  HA!
>>
>> Did you get my email I sent you about the Lowes stop after leaving
>> Reidsville?
>>
>> Tom  Schmutz
>> Concord, Va.
>> germoamer at AOL.com
>> **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on
>> the
>> web. Get the Radio Toolbar!
>> (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003)
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
>
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From plb at iinet.net.au  Tue Apr 28 07:10:32 2009
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman - Portable Line Boring)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:10:32 +0800
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <59266.168.215.206.73.1240921138.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com>	<59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>	<4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>
	<59266.168.215.206.73.1240921138.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <01a101c9c80b$17892870$469b7950$@net.au>

I have made quite a few rings for my engines as well as for friends using
the heat treat method and so far have not had a failure. If you have access
to a lathe its one of the easiest parts of a restoration.
Heres how I do it. Chuck up a bit of good cast in your 3 jaw. Bore it to the
fitted ring I.D. Machine the O.D to your bore diameter. Part them off. Split
the rings. ( I use a bit of pressure with some bolt cutters and they
fracture cleanly) Make up a wedge out of a bit of keysteel or whatever is
laying around and stack the rings together with the wedge in the gap holding
them open. Wrap some fireproof cloth to keep the direct flame off them. Put
the stack of rings between two plates with a 3/8 bolt holding them together.
I make up a little firebrick furnace on the shed floor and stick in a LP
torch and keep them to a dull red for a couple of hours. Pull them out when
cool and gap them.So far the rings I have made have gone into new bores and
there is no leakage past the rings and seem to work perfectly.
Ray Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
curt at rustyiron.com
Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2009 8:19 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings

Wayne,
For several years I've had a link on my webpage for 2 scanned documents on
making piston rings using the heat treat method. I never tried this method
as I questioned it's effectiveness.

The traditional method is to cut an over sized ring of the correct
dimensions, remove a section, compress the ring to a collapsed diameter
(now oval shaped), mount the compressed ring in a turning fixture and then
turn the OD to exactly the cylinder diameter. This is the method used by
folks like Niagara Piston Ring.

I took photos as I was doing this last summer and placed it on my website.
Here is the link.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MakingPistonRings/Thumbnail
s.html>

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC




> Curt,
>
> Would it be possible for you to walk us through the procedure of making
> piston rings. This is something I have been wanting to try for sometime
> but
> can't seem to find anything on how it is done.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wayne A Thackery
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> curt at rustyiron.com
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:25 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings
>
> Tom,
> I made new piston rings for a couple of friends last fall and fitted them
> to the pistons. I took apart a feeler gage set and used 3 or 4 of the
> feeler gages. They are made of a decent tempered steel and won't buckle as
> the ring slides over the grooves allowing you to use quite thin strips.
> Thankfully no broken rings, but I did make an extra ring for each just in
> case.
> Curt Holland
>
>
>> In a message dated 4/26/2009 9:31:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>> steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:
>>
>> did it  with two hands. the trick was  having enough strips to keep the
>> rings  spread.
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>>
>> Yep, same as using old hacksaw blades with set removed.  The trick is
>> getting all the strips to stay in place while getting the ring initially
>> started.  sometimes think I would like to figure how to get my toes to
>> help  with
>> the hands to hold stuff!  HA!
>>
>> Did you get my email I sent you about the Lowes stop after leaving
>> Reidsville?
>>
>> Tom  Schmutz
>> Concord, Va.
>> germoamer at AOL.com
>> **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on
>> the
>> web. Get the Radio Toolbar!
>> (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003)
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr 28 07:35:20 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:35:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] What Show to Visit
In-Reply-To: <49F67C4E.4090009@telus.net>
References: <49F67C4E.4090009@telus.net>
Message-ID: <a67a401ce3f4aa4186ab6f48d492db4e.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Findlay, Ohio   July 27 - August 2nd.

EXCELLENT show.  It's one of my "can't miss" favorites.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA

On Mon, April 27, 2009 11:47 pm, Allen Home wrote:
> Hello to All;
> Its been a long time lurking for me but now I need some help. My wife
> and I am planning to be in London, Toronto and Midland, Ontario, Canada
> some time in July and /or early August this year. We want to attend some
> engine and tractor shows in Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, or
> Ohio. I have the 2009 Show Directory but do not know what are the best
> showes to attend in terms of size and variety. We will fly into Toronto
> and rent a car for a few weeks. We would plan to do day trips from
> London or Toronto or overnight stays for special shows. Any advice would
> be welcome. We might be convinced to drive  from Edmonton through Canada
> and northern states via Chicago up to Toronto if special shows are
> suggested.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr 28 08:00:26 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:00:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] new model
In-Reply-To: <441E55B008654D19A1CD878BBDFDE1BF@REG>
References: <441E55B008654D19A1CD878BBDFDE1BF@REG>
Message-ID: <ddb331d5edc891d38848f6c0572b7b63.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

HOLY CRAP!!  Reg, you model builders just amaze me.  That's bloody gorgeous.
Give me a feel for size, about how long is that puppy?

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, April 28, 2009 3:16 am, R & M Ingold wrote:
> I would like to share with you, a project that is not mine.
> A while back, (Dont ask how long!) I got a set of castings, just started,
> from Brad Smith, for a Holt 4 cyl model.
> On looking at them, and weighing up my ability, (Injuries, etc.), I sorta
> said ("Ha, No way!).
> So, I gave them to a good friend who, being a carer for a sick wife, did not
> have a project to play with.
> I am so proud of what he has achieved. Not only did he build the engine but,
> he even made the tractor!
> (He has no idea that I am sharing this.)
> His workshop is a7x5Foot garden shed.
> I am totally in awe of this mate.





From oldironnut at windstream.net  Tue Apr 28 08:08:10 2009
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:08:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] When is SIAM?
In-Reply-To: <DEA1EFF6998A4C13B2ED924147E9C644@SHOP>
References: <da3179b88a2b0538d0fd8c2ef800f7cb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<DEA1EFF6998A4C13B2ED924147E9C644@SHOP>
Message-ID: <D8DECF26-ECC4-416B-BDDD-870A1F4DC503@windstream.net>

Howdy all,

What are the dates for the SIAM show this year?

Thanks,
Mike
______________________
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oldironnut at windstream.net
Versailles, Kentucky, USA
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From wayne at lorenssanitation.com  Tue Apr 28 08:10:48 2009
From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:10:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <59266.168.215.206.73.1240921138.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com><59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>
	<59266.168.215.206.73.1240921138.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <EDF70A3B33E3452C8A3E35854BEB99B8@Waynexp>

Curt,

Thank you very much! This is the method I am mostly interested in trying. I
have seen the heat treat method used for models and knew that there was
another way. Again, thanks for the link to your website.

Wayne A Thackery



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
curt at rustyiron.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:19 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings

Wayne,
For several years I've had a link on my webpage for 2 scanned documents on
making piston rings using the heat treat method. I never tried this method
as I questioned it's effectiveness.

The traditional method is to cut an over sized ring of the correct
dimensions, remove a section, compress the ring to a collapsed diameter
(now oval shaped), mount the compressed ring in a turning fixture and then
turn the OD to exactly the cylinder diameter. This is the method used by
folks like Niagara Piston Ring.

I took photos as I was doing this last summer and placed it on my website.
Here is the link.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MakingPistonRings/Thumbnail
s.html>

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC




> Curt,
>
> Would it be possible for you to walk us through the procedure of making
> piston rings. This is something I have been wanting to try for sometime
> but
> can't seem to find anything on how it is done.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wayne A Thackery
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> curt at rustyiron.com
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:25 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings
>
> Tom,
> I made new piston rings for a couple of friends last fall and fitted them
> to the pistons. I took apart a feeler gage set and used 3 or 4 of the
> feeler gages. They are made of a decent tempered steel and won't buckle as
> the ring slides over the grooves allowing you to use quite thin strips.
> Thankfully no broken rings, but I did make an extra ring for each just in
> case.
> Curt Holland
>
>
>> In a message dated 4/26/2009 9:31:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>> steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:
>>
>> did it  with two hands. the trick was  having enough strips to keep the
>> rings  spread.
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>>
>> Yep, same as using old hacksaw blades with set removed.  The trick is
>> getting all the strips to stay in place while getting the ring initially
>> started.  sometimes think I would like to figure how to get my toes to
>> help  with
>> the hands to hold stuff!  HA!
>>
>> Did you get my email I sent you about the Lowes stop after leaving
>> Reidsville?
>>
>> Tom  Schmutz
>> Concord, Va.
>> germoamer at AOL.com
>> **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on
>> the
>> web. Get the Radio Toolbar!
>> (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003)
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr 28 08:47:51 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:47:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] When is SIAM?
In-Reply-To: <D8DECF26-ECC4-416B-BDDD-870A1F4DC503@windstream.net>
References: <da3179b88a2b0538d0fd8c2ef800f7cb.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<DEA1EFF6998A4C13B2ED924147E9C644@SHOP>
	<D8DECF26-ECC4-416B-BDDD-870A1F4DC503@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <a00ce12bd8ab3db5c270e601ce145e61.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

June 12-14

On Tue, April 28, 2009 11:08 am, Michael Tucker wrote:
>
> What are the dates for the SIAM show this year?





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr 28 09:00:33 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:00:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <EDF70A3B33E3452C8A3E35854BEB99B8@Waynexp>
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com><59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>
	<59266.168.215.206.73.1240921138.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<EDF70A3B33E3452C8A3E35854BEB99B8@Waynexp>
Message-ID: <d8e4ba3895a5d6e65bcd64a883ba8e03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Curt,

I'd forgotten about that webpage.  VERY nice tutorial.  That's one that even I could
follow.  8-))

One question...

Do you set any sort of end gap in the rings when you turn the OD or do you include
that gap when you determine what final OD you want when the ring is in the cylinder
bore?

See ya,  Arnie

> The traditional method is to cut an over sized ring of the correct
> dimensions, remove a section, compress the ring to a collapsed diameter
> (now oval shaped), mount the compressed ring in a turning fixture and then
> turn the OD to exactly the cylinder diameter. This is the method used by
> folks like Niagara Piston Ring.
>
> I took photos as I was doing this last summer and placed it on my website.
> Here is the link.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MakingPistonRings/Thumbnails.html





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Apr 28 09:52:52 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:52:52 +0200
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1240934402.25278.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090428183135.00c19238@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 28/04/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:16:11 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings
>Hi Jerry,
>I've tried using cable ties in lieu of a ring compressor and did not have 
>success.
>The rings just weren't compressed down below the surface of the 
>piston.  Hose clamps
>have worked well however.
>I also don't see being able to apply enough "squeeze" to a water or fuel 
>line with a
>cable tie to make a difference.
>If you've had success with both, GREAT.  That success may not be universal.
>See ya,  Arnie

Hi Arnie,
         Thanks for the reply.
         3 weeks ago I put new rings into a Victa lawn mower engine using 
cable ties. Because I was going to slip the cylinder over the piston which 
was attached to the crank I would not have been able to get my normal ring 
compressor out without a lot of difficulty. The cable ties I used were 
narrower than the rings and I placed the "buckle" opposite the ring gap and 
pulled it tight with a pair of pliers. It worked perfectly - "slipped in 
like a banana"!!
(I cut each tie off with a Stanley knife as that ring was in so that the 
tie would not interfere with the next one.)
         Re pipes, I did mention that it was a temporary solution and it 
does work although the pipe probably has to be a good fit in the first 
place- it would not be as good as a steel hose clamp at compressing a 
slightly oversize pipe.
Keep well,

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Apr 28 10:30:58 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:30:58 +0200
Subject: [SEL] New epoxy product
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090428190346.00c19238@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         A local newsletter has a few interesting articles on repairing 
things with a locally produced epoxy product. I'm trying to get some specs 
on the product which is called "Steenvas" and will keep you updated.

         You can download the newsletter from my site here:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/paraffinalia/index.htm>
         and download the last link on the right hand side. <Cape Vintage 
Engine12 - April 2009)
         Read the articles by Andy Self about repairs to a Tangye engine as 
well as a few others.

         The company producing the product has a page here:
<http://www.steenvas.co.za/index.htm>
(Excuse the bad grammar - it looks to have been translated from Afrikaans 
to English and pretty badly at that.)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Apr 28 11:06:45 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:06:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] What Show to Visit
In-Reply-To: <49F67C4E.4090009@telus.net>
References: <49F67C4E.4090009@telus.net>
Message-ID: <20090428180631.2DD863E4739@mail05.wcoil.com>

Hi Jeff,
  If you have some spare time on the Date of July 30-31, 
August1st&2nd  Northwest Ohio Antique Machinery Association show is a 
good one.  Friday and Saturday is the premier days.  Findlay Ohio at 
the Hancock Co. Fairgrounds. This years feature
Minneapolis Moline Tractors, Delco Light Plants and Homemade Engines
Web site: http://www.nwoantiquemachinery.com/          Mark



At 11:47 PM 4/27/2009, you wrote:
>Hello to All;
>Its been a long time lurking for me but now I need some help. My wife
>and I am planning to be in London, Toronto and Midland, Ontario, Canada
>some time in July and /or early August this year. We want to attend some
>engine and tractor shows in Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, or
>Ohio. I have the 2009 Show Directory but do not know what are the best
>showes to attend in terms of size and variety. We will fly into Toronto
>and rent a car for a few weeks. We would plan to do day trips from
>London or Toronto or overnight stays for special shows. Any advice would
>be welcome. We might be convinced to drive  from Edmonton through Canada
>and northern states via Chicago up to Toronto if special shows are
>suggested.
>--
>Jeff & Marja Allen  at Home
>Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site   www.Maytagclub.com  



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Tue Apr 28 12:33:14 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:33:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
Message-ID: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
What is your favorite portable shade for your displays?  Anything that
was a total waste of money?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 28 12:43:24 2009
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:43:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com><59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>
	<59266.168.215.206.73.1240921138.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <BB6E135B95C548E5B44D03D5ACD00D00@Ed>

I finally got the piston out of my Ottawa ES 4282 , 4 HP and the rings will 
not budge. They are packed in with carbon. I had the piston soaking for a 
couple of weeks in a metal paint can in Acetone and ATF. The surface looks 
nice and clean but the rings are stuck. I may have broken one of them 
already. I was thinking that maybe some hydrogen peroxide would oxidize the 
carbon?  Any ideas?????????

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ 



From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Apr 28 12:45:44 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:45:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590AB58C7F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

I like the Quik-Shade canopy.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
rdhaskell at juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:33 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade

Hi all.
What is your favorite portable shade for your displays?  Anything that
was a total waste of money?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From Jim at hardmanfamily.net  Tue Apr 28 12:48:47 2009
From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:48:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New epoxy product
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090428190346.00c19238@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090428190346.00c19238@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <3BE2C2801A0F440FA1690EB3C2949604@JamesDesktop>

Jerry, and all,

Some epoxies will stand up to hot water, others will not.  For underwater or 
occasional hot water applications, specialty formulations are required, 
often called "splash zone" epoxies.  These are typically used on concrete 
piers at the water line where wave action erodes and consumes the pilings.

Just because the fomulator says his product has "unlimited uses" doesn't 
mean that it is good for all applications.  Before assuming that any epoxy 
will do the job, get a statement of suggested applications from the maker. 
Not the seller, (the middleman), but the formulator... the actual maker. 
Note too that some epoxies can be applied to wet surfaces, others require 
absolutely dry surfaces.

For most engine applications, epoxies are acceptable choices for 
reconstruction where high temperatures are not expected.  Anything over the 
boiling point of water can be trouble for a lot of epoxies.  And the 
presence of water can compound the problem.

This is not a blanket condemnation of epoxies for repairing water jackets. 
It is, however, a wake up call that all epoxies are NOT the same and that 
specialty compounds are generally available for most applications.  Do your 
homework and contact the maker for approval for your particular job.

As a side note, the ratio of resin to curing agent can have a profound 
influence on ultimate performance.  Sloppy guessing or failure to properly 
weigh components can really mess up cured properties.  And mix twice a s 
long as you think you have to to truly get association between reacting 
chemicals.

Clean up thoroughly with soap and hot water after exposure to resin and 
curing agent.  After cure, the danger of exposure is greatly reduced... that 
is, the exposure to chiplets and dust from sanding or filing.

Use common sense.

Jim in Vermont



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:30 PM
Subject: [SEL] New epoxy product


> Hi All,
>         A local newsletter has a few interesting articles on repairing
> things with a locally produced epoxy product. I'm trying to get some specs
> on the product which is called "Steenvas" and will keep you updated.
>
>         You can download the newsletter from my site here:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/paraffinalia/index.htm>
>         and download the last link on the right hand side. <Cape Vintage
> Engine12 - April 2009)
>         Read the articles by Andy Self about repairs to a Tangye engine as
> well as a few others.
>
>         The company producing the product has a page here:
> <http://www.steenvas.co.za/index.htm>
> (Excuse the bad grammar - it looks to have been translated from Afrikaans
> to English and pretty badly at that.)
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
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From curt at rustyiron.com  Tue Apr 28 12:59:14 2009
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:59:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <d8e4ba3895a5d6e65bcd64a883ba8e03.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com><59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>
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Arnie,
When wiring the rings closed there is no gap. Turn the OD to the cylinder
diameter. Then remove from the fixture. I surface ground them to get the
desired width, making them .0005 to .001 narrower than the ring groove.
Just before sliding the rings on, I file the desired gap. I actually do a
modified step gap, cutting the gap only 1/2 way across the ring width on
one side, and the opposite on the other side. Did that make sense?
If you buy step gap piston rings there is considerable overlap when the
ring is installed in the bore.
On the modified step gap, there is no overlap when the ring and bore are
at the same temperature. As the ring temp exceeds the bore temp it grows
and the stepped halves begin to overlap slightly, essentially making for
an air tight gap.
Probably not a big difference over the traditional gaping method across
the full width of the ring, but I figured it couldn't hurt. I've done 3
engines this way now, including the Alamo and they have loads of
compression and run nice and slow.
Curt








> Curt,
>
> I'd forgotten about that webpage.  VERY nice tutorial.  That's one that
> even I could
> follow.  8-))
>
> One question...
>
> Do you set any sort of end gap in the rings when you turn the OD or do you
> include
> that gap when you determine what final OD you want when the ring is in the
> cylinder
> bore?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
>> The traditional method is to cut an over sized ring of the correct
>> dimensions, remove a section, compress the ring to a collapsed diameter
>> (now oval shaped), mount the compressed ring in a turning fixture and
>> then
>> turn the OD to exactly the cylinder diameter. This is the method used by
>> folks like Niagara Piston Ring.
>>
>> I took photos as I was doing this last summer and placed it on my
>> website.
>> Here is the link.
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MakingPistonRings/Thumbnails.html
>
>
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 28 13:46:33 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:46:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590AB58C7F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
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I've been using ez ups for years, they lasted through the portland storms when the others were bent and destroyed. Steve
 
> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:45:44 -0500
> From: George_Best at adp.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
> 
> I like the Quik-Shade canopy.
> 
> George
> 
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> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:33 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
> 
> Hi all.
> What is your favorite portable shade for your displays? Anything that
> was a total waste of money?
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Tue Apr 28 13:52:01 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:52:01 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
In-Reply-To: <BB6E135B95C548E5B44D03D5ACD00D00@Ed>
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Hi, Ed.  Get yourself a brass drift, start at one end, and tap the  
rings IN.  Tap a couple times, rotate the piston a few degrees, and  
tap the ring again.  Keep going around and around and around.   
Eventually you'll notice a little movement.  Keep working your way  
around.

When you notice one area is loose and an adjacent area is still stuck,  
don't tap too hard on the loose area, or you'll break something.  Just  
be patient and keep tapping.  Eventually the ring will come loose all  
the way around.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
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On Apr 28, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Ed stoller wrote:

> I finally got the piston out of my Ottawa ES 4282 , 4 HP and the  
> rings will
> not budge. They are packed in with carbon. I had the piston soaking  
> for a
> couple of weeks in a metal paint can in Acetone and ATF. The surface  
> looks
> nice and clean but the rings are stuck. I may have broken one of them
> already. I was thinking that maybe some hydrogen peroxide would  
> oxidize the
> carbon?  Any ideas?????????



From rotigel at me.com  Tue Apr 28 13:45:35 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:45:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
References: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <006501c9c843$f733c920$0901000a@coec543>

EZ-UP is the ONLY one worth any money at all!
    Dave

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Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:33 PM
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade


> Hi all.
> What is your favorite portable shade for your displays?  Anything that
> was a total waste of money?
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
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From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Apr 28 14:06:43 2009
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:06:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
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I've also used E-Z Up canopies as well as the Quik-Shade.  In both cases
I think you need to look at the quality of the particular canopy you are
considering.  Both companies have different levels of quality (and
price).

I would go for a heavier model instead of the lightest weight models.
The light ones are the ones that end up in the dumpsters after a wind
storm gets through with them.

I know that at the Grass Valley show many years ago, about half the
canopies were destroyed by a wind storm one night.  Mine was out in the
open field and mine came through undamaged.

Of course it also helps if you have your canopies anchored as an
unanchored one will obviously be one of the first to be damaged.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Royster
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:47 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite portable shade


I've been using ez ups for years, they lasted through the portland
storms when the others were bent and destroyed. Steve
 
> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:45:44 -0500
> From: George_Best at adp.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
> 
> I like the Quik-Shade canopy.
> 
> George
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:33 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
> 
> Hi all.
> What is your favorite portable shade for your displays? Anything that
> was a total waste of money?
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
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From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Tue Apr 28 14:11:26 2009
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:11:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
In-Reply-To: <BB6E135B95C548E5B44D03D5ACD00D00@Ed>
References: <c75.4f7dd59a.3726f548@aol.com><59274.168.215.206.73.1240842286.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><4FDBFFA8B3084E0692557D0C73B66992@Waynexp>	<59266.168.215.206.73.1240921138.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
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Ed try the carb cleaner that comes in a bucket for soaking carbs. If its 
any good it will dissolve the carbon. Doug T

Ed stoller wrote:
> I finally got the piston out of my Ottawa ES 4282 , 4 HP and the rings will 
> not budge. They are packed in with carbon. I had the piston soaking for a 
> couple of weeks in a metal paint can in Acetone and ATF. The surface looks 
> nice and clean but the rings are stuck. I may have broken one of them 
> already. I was thinking that maybe some hydrogen peroxide would oxidize the 
> carbon?  Any ideas?????????
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield, CT
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Apr 28 14:52:59 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:52:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
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Hi Ron,

That's an easy one.  Ez-Up.  http://www.ezup.com/index.html

Let me add a couple of observations.

Be sure to get the side skirts that attach with velcro.  When that horrific
thunderstorm hits (with the horizontal rain) you'll be nice and dry.  And chatting
with about thirty new-found engine friends who are taking shelter under your canopy.

Also get four 1" ratchet straps and four screw-in anchors.  Put that junk into an
ammo box and use it to anchor your canopy at the four corners.  You'll be secure
against anything short of a direct tornado hit.

I assume that you ARE talking about people shade here and not shade for your
engines?  Real men let their engines run in the rain.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, April 28, 2009 3:33 pm, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
>
> What is your favorite portable shade for your displays?  Anything that
> was a total waste of money?





From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Tue Apr 28 15:07:34 2009
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:07:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <61662.69632.qm@web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Well....

I have the best of all worlds....It depends on what event I am going to and how long I will be there.

For a 1 day show, I use a 10x10 quick shade (ezup type).  I usually replace it every other year (sometimes 3 years)...as I pick them up for sale for $40-50.  The first Ezup (the original brand name) I had lasted 2 years due to a family member using it and leaving it up during a heavy rain storm...It collected water and dumped the frame into many broken pieces and ripping the top severely.

For 2 Day shows, I use either the 10x10 quickshade or a piece together tent (we have tops for either 10x10 or 10x20).  

Any show more than 2 days we normally put up the piece together pipe tent with siver top....  we did cut the 10' lenghts down to 5' (for easier transport) and use a coupler to put them together.

In high wind and rain, nothing will beat the silver topped pipe units (properly anchored of course).  Just make sure that you get the top that wraps over the side by 6" so you can put sides up if needed...I have 4 from my orginal ezup that I can use + other tarps as needed. 

If you are just looking for shade and not rain protection, anything from the quickshade to the ezup will work fine...just depends on how much you want to spend.  For Me, I use the cheaper ones on sale...I did get one with a tarp fabric top roof that bearly lasted 1.5 years..

Steve

--- On Tue, 4/28/09, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:

From: rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com>
Subject: Favorite portable shade
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com, stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 2:33 PM
Hi all.
What is your favorite portable shade for your displays? 
Anything that was a total waste of money?
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell



From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Apr 28 15:58:54 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:58:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20090428225840.774773A86D5@mail03.wcoil.com>

This I will say first and most stridently, The best canopy in the 
world will be destroyed if not properly anchored down. That said over 
28 years of going to shows the canopies that are the shallow peak 
silver tarp using the 3/4" EMT conduit for poles have in my opinion 
shown the best of all overall through all kinds of weather. See the 
link below for a picture of one. These properly anchored will survive 
far and above more often then any other I have seen. These can be 
gotten in all sizes, from  10X10 to whatever they make a tarp for. 
Most commonly seen in the sixes 10X20 & 12X20 The size you get is up 
to your needs. Make sure you buy the heavy duty silver with the 
reinforced eyelets spaced about 20" apart. Get the longest rebar 
stake you can find to serve as anchor for the post. 12" to 15" is the 
common lengths but you can find them sometimes in 18" or make your 
own length. These generally have a washer or a chain link welded to 
them for the post to set on and the tie rope to latch to. And I 
recommend that you get pet or dog tie screws to run in the ground 
beside each post to run the tie down to for extra security in case of 
a horrid storm. In your average to moderately severe storm with winds 
up to 40-50 mph straight line wind the long rebar stakes will likely 
serve well, soil type and condition has a big determining factor as 
to how quick they may pull out. The style of canopy I mention is like 
what's shown in this link. This is not an endorsement for this site 
this is just a picture to represent what canopy I speak 
about   http://www.championcanopies.com/classic.html    I see that 
they only offer the classic in high peak now. (not pictured at this 
link) , I do not recommend a high peak canopy. The high peak canopy 
is more likely to have a problem in a high wind as the high sides of 
the peak act more like a sail to catch the wind and shove a canopy 
over. Seen that happen many times. The shallow peak allows the wind 
to pass through more easily.
The 3/4" EMT conduit poles have the best flex before bend rate you 
can get. 1" EMT and especially those white large diameter poles you 
get from the big box retailers and others is more likely to kink 
before it bows and will kink while a 3/4" only flexes. Flexibility is 
the key. If it will not flex it will kink.  Myself I would recommend 
the style of canopy pictured in the link in the 12X20 Size and get a 
tarp with a valance for added coverage in a rain or late afternoon 
sun. But your mileage may vary.  With a little practice one man can 
set up and stake down a 12X20 with the 3/4" poles in 20 minutes. With 
inexperienced help 30 or more.  15 min or less if the helper has one 
like yours and is well versed in its assembly (Thank You BOB!) . If 
your help is unfamiliar with them lord help you. GRINNN
As for the pop up and ez ups its not unusual to see them get torn 
down in a rain. In my opinion they really are only safe for fare 
weather. But hey its fun to see them afterwards. Sorry to any of you 
who have lost one.
  Keep in mind the 12X20 I recommend can very easily be converted to 
10X12  or the 10X20 to 10X10 by purchasing another tarp and not using 
a section of the connectors and conduit.
  I leave mine set up outside all year round. Only problem was with 
snow load. A heavy snow bowed some poles but they easily straightened 
enough to reuse.
  Remember ANCHOR any Tent or Canopy Securely!! Or we will laugh as 
its blown down or away!  Sorry its not hard to amuse us at an engine 
show, GRINN.                           TTYL,    Mark


At 03:33 PM 4/28/2009, you wrote:
>Hi all.
>What is your favorite portable shade for your displays?  Anything that
>was a total waste of money?
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California USA

Mark Shulaw
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Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

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From avanti_64 at juno.com  Tue Apr 28 16:23:39 2009
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:23:39 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Caught in New HAmpshire
Message-ID: <20090428.192339.6326.1@webmail07.vgs.untd.com>

I am going to do some checking on this. 
Joe Kelley
President 
Maine Antique Power Assn

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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Tue Apr 28 16:36:58 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:36:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Canopy thread
In-Reply-To: <20090428225840.774773A86D5@mail03.wcoil.com>
References: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<20090428225840.774773A86D5@mail03.wcoil.com>
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Powell & Powell Supply Company in NC sells Sams club their stuff & carry the 

King canopy brand name, link below

 

http://www.kingcanopy.com/home

 

Check it out guys, Ive had a 10 x 20 for 6 years used 2 covers, 

anchored they will withstand near hurricane winds & have

here in Wilmington NC

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:58:54 -0400
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> From: frappi at wcoil.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
> 
> This I will say first and most stridently, The best canopy in the 
> world will be destroyed if not properly anchored down. That said over 
> 28 years of going to shows the canopies that are the shallow peak 
> silver tarp using the 3/4" EMT conduit for poles have in my opinion 
> shown the best of all overall through all kinds of weather. See the 
> link below for a picture of one. These properly anchored will survive 
> far and above more often then any other I have seen. These can be 
> gotten in all sizes, from 10X10 to whatever they make a tarp for. 
> Most commonly seen in the sixes 10X20 & 12X20 The size you get is up 
> to your needs. Make sure you buy the heavy duty silver with the 
> reinforced eyelets spaced about 20" apart. Get the longest rebar 
> stake you can find to serve as anchor for the post. 12" to 15" is the 
> common lengths but you can find them sometimes in 18" or make your 
> own length. These generally have a washer or a chain link welded to 
> them for the post to set on and the tie rope to latch to. And I 
> recommend that you get pet or dog tie screws to run in the ground 
> beside each post to run the tie down to for extra security in case of 
> a horrid storm. In your average to moderately severe storm with winds 
> up to 40-50 mph straight line wind the long rebar stakes will likely 
> serve well, soil type and condition has a big determining factor as 
> to how quick they may pull out. The style of canopy I mention is like 
> what's shown in this link. This is not an endorsement for this site 
> this is just a picture to represent what canopy I speak 
> about http://www.championcanopies.com/classic.html I see that 
> they only offer the classic in high peak now. (not pictured at this 
> link) , I do not recommend a high peak canopy. The high peak canopy 
> is more likely to have a problem in a high wind as the high sides of 
> the peak act more like a sail to catch the wind and shove a canopy 
> over. Seen that happen many times. The shallow peak allows the wind 
> to pass through more easily.
> The 3/4" EMT conduit poles have the best flex before bend rate you 
> can get. 1" EMT and especially those white large diameter poles you 
> get from the big box retailers and others is more likely to kink 
> before it bows and will kink while a 3/4" only flexes. Flexibility is 
> the key. If it will not flex it will kink. Myself I would recommend 
> the style of canopy pictured in the link in the 12X20 Size and get a 
> tarp with a valance for added coverage in a rain or late afternoon 
> sun. But your mileage may vary. With a little practice one man can 
> set up and stake down a 12X20 with the 3/4" poles in 20 minutes. With 
> inexperienced help 30 or more. 15 min or less if the helper has one 
> like yours and is well versed in its assembly (Thank You BOB!) . If 
> your help is unfamiliar with them lord help you. GRINNN
> As for the pop up and ez ups its not unusual to see them get torn 
> down in a rain. In my opinion they really are only safe for fare 
> weather. But hey its fun to see them afterwards. Sorry to any of you 
> who have lost one.
> Keep in mind the 12X20 I recommend can very easily be converted to 
> 10X12 or the 10X20 to 10X10 by purchasing another tarp and not using 
> a section of the connectors and conduit.
> I leave mine set up outside all year round. Only problem was with 
> snow load. A heavy snow bowed some poles but they easily straightened 
> enough to reuse.
> Remember ANCHOR any Tent or Canopy Securely!! Or we will laugh as 
> its blown down or away! Sorry its not hard to amuse us at an engine 
> show, GRINN. TTYL, Mark
> 
> 
> At 03:33 PM 4/28/2009, you wrote:
> >Hi all.
> >What is your favorite portable shade for your displays? Anything that
> >was a total waste of money?
> >
> >Ron Haskell
> >rdhaskell at juno.com
> >Riverside, California USA
> 
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA
> 
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site www.Maytagclub.com 
> 
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From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Apr 28 18:39:12 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:39:12 -0700
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <59447.168.215.206.73.1240948754.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <20090428213912.03AB0.1748169.root@mp16>


---- curt at rustyiron.com wrote: 
> Arnie,
> When wiring the rings closed there is no gap. Turn the OD to the cylinder
> diameter. Then remove from the fixture. I surface ground them to get the
> desired width, making them .0005 to .001 narrower than the ring groove.
> Just before sliding the rings on, I file the desired gap. I actually do a
> modified step gap, cutting the gap only 1/2 way across the ring width on
> one side, and the opposite on the other side. Did that make sense?
> If you buy step gap piston rings there is considerable overlap when the
> ring is installed in the bore.
> On the modified step gap, there is no overlap when the ring and bore are
> at the same temperature. As the ring temp exceeds the bore temp it grows
> and the stepped halves begin to overlap slightly, essentially making for
> an air tight gap.
> Probably not a big difference over the traditional gaping method across
> the full width of the ring, but I figured it couldn't hurt. I've done 3
> engines this way now, including the Alamo and they have loads of
> compression and run nice and slow.
> Curt
> 
> 
Stepped ring gaps look good but don't help. Compression doesn't travel "line of sight". As the piston is coming up on compression the ring is forced to the bottom of the piston, compression is coming over the top and against the back, it actually helps to expand the ring. The overlapped step has the same or usually a larger gap at the bottom half, compression will find it's way to the gap and out. I've seen pinned rings with the pins on the bottom side of the land. This is a poor design, the area around the pin equals the gap, 1/4" is not uncommon. If the pin is on the top, the bottom half of the ring can be gapped as a normal ring. End gap counts for a small loss of compression, the fit of the ring to the piston land is one of the most critical areas. If a ring wears, the piston wears with it, maintaining a seal. When a new square edged ring is put into a worn groove, compression leaks all around, it would probably take years of running for this to "seat in".
J.B. Castagnos


From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Apr 28 18:43:46 2009
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:43:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
In-Reply-To: <87031C06-E6E9-47C2-B842-D8C1CF149417@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <20090428214346.JD16I.1748501.root@mp16>


 
> On Apr 28, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Ed stoller wrote:
> 
> > I finally got the piston out of my Ottawa ES 4282 , 4 HP and the  
> > rings will
> > not budge. They are packed in with carbon. I had the piston soaking  
> > for a
> > couple of weeks in a metal paint can in Acetone and ATF. The surface  
> > looks
> > nice and clean but the rings are stuck. I may have broken one of them
> > already. I was thinking that maybe some hydrogen peroxide would  
> > oxidize the
> > carbon?  Any ideas?????????
> 
If you have a torch heat the inside of the piston in back of the rings, this will expand it away from the rings.
J.B. Castagnos


From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Apr 28 19:07:09 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:07:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Caught in New HAmpshire
Message-ID: <20090429020655.11E531D1016@mail04.wcoil.com>

Ok heres the latest with what happened in more detail. I am still 
withholding last names of the involved till charges are filed if 
ever. This happened in Bethlehem New Hampshire over the weekend. Jim 
the owner of the engines and his wife left for the recycling center 
which is just two blocks from their house and returned a few minutes 
later to find a pick up truck with ramps and a winch in the bed 
backed up to his I think he said a 5 hp?? Waterloo engine which is 
behind his garage. Keep in mind this is the only engine outside and 
it is not visible from the road at any angle. Jim has lots of trees 
around. The truck was backed up directly to the engine and the tail 
gate was down, So they had just arrived. Jim and his wife came home 
to see this and called the law. The two gentleman claimed to have 
just been driving by and seen the engine and wanted to try to buy it. 
(Remember the engine is not visible from the road)  The two men are 
from Maine which is just 40 miles from Jim's place so  it may be 
reasonable that they were just riving by but it can not be seen from 
the road. Where the men are from in Maine I do not know.  Jim got the 
engine two months ago and has not shown it yet.
Today the sheriff and the prosecutor are not sure they can bring 
charges as the suspects had not dropped the ramps on the ground yet 
or hooked the winch to the engine. Which would clearly show intent 
the sheriff says. But without the ramps on the ground or the winch 
hooked up they are not sure they can file charges that will stick. 
Backed up to an item not visible from the road does not show enough intent.
  So charges may not be brought up. And if so we can not mention the 
names of the two gentlemen. They can not even be brought up on 
trespassing charges as there isn't any No Trespassing signs posted.
Still waiting to hear how the two men found out about the engine to 
even know it was there. I will pass on more as I learn 
it.                          Mark





From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Apr 28 19:13:56 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:13:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Caught in New HAmpshire
In-Reply-To: <20090428.192339.6326.1@webmail07.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20090428.192339.6326.1@webmail07.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <20090429021341.BC21B3C0745@mail02.wcoil.com>

Hi Joe,
  The fellow who told me this is Jim Duguay from Bethlehem New 
Hampshire. Email  Pisswink4 at aol.com  Let me know what you hear.     Mark



At 07:23 PM 4/28/2009, you wrote:
>I am going to do some checking on this.
>Joe Kelley
>President
>Maine Antique Power Assn
>

Mark Shulaw
Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601





From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Apr 28 19:30:31 2009
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:30:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
In-Reply-To: <20090428214346.JD16I.1748501.root@mp16>
References: <87031C06-E6E9-47C2-B842-D8C1CF149417@rustyiron.com>
	<20090428214346.JD16I.1748501.root@mp16>
Message-ID: <20090429023016.AC6661D1016@mail04.wcoil.com>

If you don't have a torch, stand the piston up on end and pour 
boiling water in the back side. Boil enough to pour it full, dump it 
out after a few moments. Refill with the rest of the hot water.  Or 
if you have the stuff needed, Just boil the piston in a pail of 
water. Dump some detergent in the water after its boiled a while, 
doesn't take much.    Mark



At 09:43 PM 4/28/2009, you wrote:

>
> > On Apr 28, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Ed stoller wrote:
> >
> > > I finally got the piston out of my Ottawa ES 4282 , 4 HP and the
> > > rings will
> > > not budge. They are packed in with carbon. I had the piston soaking
> > > for a
> > > couple of weeks in a metal paint can in Acetone and ATF. The surface
> > > looks
> > > nice and clean but the rings are stuck. I may have broken one of them
> > > already. I was thinking that maybe some hydrogen peroxide would
> > > oxidize the
> > > carbon?  Any ideas?????????
> >
>If you have a torch heat the inside of the piston in back of the 
>rings, this will expand it away from the rings.
>J.B. Castagnos
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Mark Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home / 419.516.2996 Ver. Cell.
Hobby Collector and Dealer in Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
Check out the Maytag Collectors Club web site   www.Maytagclub.com  



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Apr 28 19:47:46 2009
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:47:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] new model
In-Reply-To: <441E55B008654D19A1CD878BBDFDE1BF@REG>
Message-ID: <C61DFCF2.10E2%pml1@bigpond.net.au>

That is a work or art. The quality and detail is amazing!


On 28/4/09 5:16 PM, "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:

> I would like to share with you, a project that is not mine.
> A while back, (Dont ask how long!) I got a set of castings, just started,
> from Brad Smith, for a Holt 4 cyl model.
> On looking at them, and weighing up my ability, (Injuries, etc.), I sorta
> said ("Ha, No way!).
> So, I gave them to a good friend who, being a carer for a sick wife, did not
> have a project to play with.
> I am so proud of what he has achieved. Not only did he build the engine but,
> he even made the tractor!
> (He has no idea that I am sharing this.)
> His workshop is a7x5Foot garden shed.
> I am totally in awe of this mate.
> Enjoy the pics.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From falcon at telenet.net  Tue Apr 28 20:06:41 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:06:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] piston rings
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090428183135.00c19238@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090428183135.00c19238@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <49F7C441.6060801@telenet.net>

Jerry Evans wrote:
> At 06:00 PM 28/04/2009, you wrote:
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:16:11 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] piston rings
>> Hi Jerry,
>> I've tried using cable ties in lieu of a ring compressor and did not have 
>> success.
>> The rings just weren't compressed down below the surface of the 
>> piston.  Hose clamps
>> have worked well however.
>> I also don't see being able to apply enough "squeeze" to a water or fuel 
>> line with a
>> cable tie to make a difference.
>> If you've had success with both, GREAT.  That success may not be universal.
>> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Hi Arnie,
>          Thanks for the reply.
>          3 weeks ago I put new rings into a Victa lawn mower engine using 
> cable ties. Because I was going to slip the cylinder over the piston which 
> was attached to the crank I would not have been able to get my normal ring 
> compressor out without a lot of difficulty. The cable ties I used were 
> narrower than the rings and I placed the "buckle" opposite the ring gap and 
> pulled it tight with a pair of pliers. It worked perfectly - "slipped in 
> like a banana"!!
> (I cut each tie off with a Stanley knife as that ring was in so that the 
> tie would not interfere with the next one.)
>          Re pipes, I did mention that it was a temporary solution and it 
> does work although the pipe probably has to be a good fit in the first 
> place- it would not be as good as a steel hose clamp at compressing a 
> slightly oversize pipe.
> Keep well,
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
The tool you guys need to compress those rings is a ribbed ring
compressor. I have one in the oddball tools box. It has square
corrugations that interlock. You wrap it around the piston, interleave
the sections and tighten it down. It works like the standard sleeve type
but comes apart easily for engines that cannot use standard tools.

-- 
Steve Williams
Firefighter, EMT, Fire Police
Van Hornesville Vol. Fire Dept


From rotigel at me.com  Tue Apr 28 20:35:14 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:35:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ballot Box Stuffing Request
References: <3F97E6282B034581A969D506D2FB4019@FBI>
	<73be93fd109955f0c54f462e74488ab1.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20090326163004.02337050@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<72B73E39-1F04-461D-9CE6-08D7F28D2EBB@me.com>
	<ab3933cb3198ebfa2b0290129e651a38.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
	<004d01c9c6d8$bbd84c00$0901000a@coec543>
	<00fc01c9c7c4$acf33ff0$0901000a@coec543>
	<9B9E98A314CF4A58888366F7C64A24C9@JIMDUNMYER>
Message-ID: <002401c9c87b$832b5ec0$0901000a@coec543>

Hi Jim,
    At 9:30 this morning--when Arnie gets out of bed the lovely #19 was
ahead of that #7 bitch by 69 votes. 69 has always been a good omen for me in
terms of what is to come, so I think the lovely # 19 will have an easy coast
to VICTORY! Having said that all of you who have not voted need to do so
ASAP. IF YOU CAN VOTE MORE THAN ONCE THEN, BY ALL MEANS do so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FIND A WAY TO DO SO FROM ANOTHER MACHINE. That dyke that lives just down the
block from you has a puter--go ask her--NOW. Also, that FAG that you have
been avoiding since day ONE? Well, nows the time to make a new friend so
that you can use his puter to vote for the LOVERY #19!
    Go to http://www.brollopsmagasinet.se/?id=10554   and keep in mind, your 
last vote  counts JUST AS MUCH as your first vote!
    Dave
PS, Early and often is operative description of this tactic--DO 
IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PPS, 78 up now and counting!
PPPS,CARRY ON!!!!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Dunmyer" <jdunmyer at toltbbs.com>
To: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: Ballot Box Stuffing Request


> She's ahead, 450 -> 372. I just voted for about the 4th or 5th time. ;-)
>
> (Damn, I feel just like a Democrat!)
>
>                                                               <<Jim>>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: <slick at toltbbs.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Ballot Box Stuffing Request
>
>
>> Hi Guys,
>>    Things are beginning to happen in the vote tallied for the most
>> beautiful bride. The lovely #19 is currently up by 56 votes (417 to 361.)
>>
>
>



From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Apr 28 20:48:35 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:48:35 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ballot Box Stuffing Request
In-Reply-To: <002401c9c87b$832b5ec0$0901000a@coec543>
Message-ID: <9AAE1F7D010E46A0BC9CB12BCC0218E6@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Dave,
	We always do here in KY.

Tommy Turner



IF YOU CAN VOTE MORE THAN ONCE THEN, BY ALL MEANS do so!!!!!!!    

Dave



From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Apr 28 20:58:12 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:58:12 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ballot Box Stuffing Request
In-Reply-To: <9AAE1F7D010E46A0BC9CB12BCC0218E6@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <F1EE81053F4741298C703975247F2D00@tommydk7hxjr4h>

In regards to voting Dave, several years ago one of our local
politicians spent public funds having the steets in a private cemetery
paved.  He was brought before the Grand Jury as the prosecutor was
trying to return an indictment.  When asked why he did it, he stated
"When I ran for office I promised to do everying I could for those that
voted for me.... I figured I got more votes out of there than anywhere
else".  The Grand Jury didn't return an indictment.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge
Tommy Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:49 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Ballot Box Stuffing Request


Dave,
	We always do here in KY.

Tommy Turner



IF YOU CAN VOTE MORE THAN ONCE THEN, BY ALL MEANS do so!!!!!!!    

Dave

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From rotigel at me.com  Tue Apr 28 21:01:33 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:01:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ballot Box Stuffing Request
References: <9AAE1F7D010E46A0BC9CB12BCC0218E6@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <004f01c9c87f$3067a370$0901000a@coec543>

Is that how the current POTUS got in?
    Dave        
PS, Thank you for your voteS

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Ballot Box Stuffing Request


> Dave,
> We always do here in KY.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> 
> 
> 
> IF YOU CAN VOTE MORE THAN ONCE THEN, BY ALL MEANS do so!!!!!!!    
> 
> Dave
> 
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Apr 28 21:15:50 2009
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:15:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ballot Box Stuffing Request
In-Reply-To: <004f01c9c87f$3067a370$0901000a@coec543>
Message-ID: <371B5815C0844AE7B6785C055F75087F@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Not sure about other states but he lost KY 60/40.  There may have been
some "doubling up" for McCain.

Tommy Turner




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Rotigel
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:02 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Ballot Box Stuffing Request


Is that how the current POTUS got in?
    Dave        
PS, Thank you for your voteS

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Ballot Box Stuffing Request


> Dave,
> We always do here in KY.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> 
> 
> 
> IF YOU CAN VOTE MORE THAN ONCE THEN, BY ALL MEANS do so!!!!!!!    
> 
> Dave
> 
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 29 03:11:39 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:11:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
Message-ID: <868134.98629.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I started with a plain 10' X 20' canopy like this one.
http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=102508
?
I?then found that chain link fence top rail pipe was the same outer size so I replaced the "rafter" pipes with longer ones so I now display under an 18' X 20' canopy.? 
Buying more pipes, connectors, ball bungies and different sized tarps my canopy can now be put up in these sizes.
10 X 10
10 X 20
18 X 20 
18 X 30
18 X 40
?
I use steel T-posts to hold it down unless I am setting it up one a hard surface then I use sand in 5-gallon buckets.
I like the T-posts because of these tools.
http://www.premier1supplies.com/detail.php?prod_id=446&cat_id=47
http://search.harborfreight.com/cpisearch/web/search.do?keyword=t-post+puller
?
Alan in Michigan

--- On Tue, 4/28/09, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:


From: rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com>
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com, stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 3:33 PM


Hi all.
What is your favorite portable shade for your displays?? Anything that
was a total waste of money?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 29 03:52:32 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:52:32 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W62EB4A9BFFF4E6BA9518DF956E0@phx.gbl>
References: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590AB58C7F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> 
	<COL112-W62EB4A9BFFF4E6BA9518DF956E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU135-W548EC9574CF05514A3795DC86F0@phx.gbl>


Steve's ez up can be seen in action here:

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-62.jpg

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-64.jpg

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 

=========================================
 
> From: steve_royster at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
> 
> 
> I've been using ez ups for years, they lasted through the portland storms when the others were bent and destroyed. Steve
> 

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From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Wed Apr 29 04:22:02 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:22:02 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Caught in New HAmpshire
In-Reply-To: <20090429020655.11E531D1016@mail04.wcoil.com>
References: <20090429020655.11E531D1016@mail04.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <49849.203.12.35.157.1241004122.squirrel@boiler>

I think they can be more punished. Publish the circumstances and the names
of everyone involved. Stick only to known facts with no embellishment or
interpretation. Let people make up their own minds. I cannot believe you
need no tresspass signs in the us - doesn't he have a fence?

Paul

> Ok heres the latest with what happened in more detail. I am still
> withholding last names of the involved till charges are filed if
> ever. This happened in Bethlehem New Hampshire over the weekend. Jim
> the owner of the engines and his wife left for the recycling center
> which is just two blocks from their house and returned a few minutes
> later to find a pick up truck with ramps and a winch in the bed
> backed up to his I think he said a 5 hp?? Waterloo engine which is
> behind his garage. Keep in mind this is the only engine outside and
> it is not visible from the road at any angle. Jim has lots of trees
> around. The truck was backed up directly to the engine and the tail
> gate was down, So they had just arrived. Jim and his wife came home
> to see this and called the law. The two gentleman claimed to have
> just been driving by and seen the engine and wanted to try to buy it.
> (Remember the engine is not visible from the road)  The two men are
> from Maine which is just 40 miles from Jim's place so  it may be
> reasonable that they were just riving by but it can not be seen from
> the road. Where the men are from in Maine I do not know.  Jim got the
> engine two months ago and has not shown it yet.
> Today the sheriff and the prosecutor are not sure they can bring
> charges as the suspects had not dropped the ramps on the ground yet
> or hooked the winch to the engine. Which would clearly show intent
> the sheriff says. But without the ramps on the ground or the winch
> hooked up they are not sure they can file charges that will stick.
> Backed up to an item not visible from the road does not show enough
> intent.
>   So charges may not be brought up. And if so we can not mention the
> names of the two gentlemen. They can not even be brought up on
> trespassing charges as there isn't any No Trespassing signs posted.
> Still waiting to hear how the two men found out about the engine to
> even know it was there. I will pass on more as I learn
> it.                          Mark
>
>
>
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Apr 29 04:30:48 2009
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:30:48 +0000
Subject: [SEL] What Show to Visit
In-Reply-To: <00f401c9c7bd$52f7fce0$0901000a@coec543>
References: <49F67C4E.4090009@telus.net>
	<00f401c9c7bd$52f7fce0$0901000a@coec543>
Message-ID: <042920091130.21473.49F83A680002394A000053E1223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Dave,
Baraboo Show date is 21,22 & 23 August 2009.  Did you want your room reserved in advance starting from the second weekend or third weekend??????
Check out:  www.badgersteamandgas.com 
Curt
-------------- Original message from Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>: -------------- 


> Hi Jeff and Marja, You fail to mention TWO shows that are a must for any 
> engine gal/man. The first is in Baraboo, WI the 2nd weekend in August and 
> the second is MECA. MECA is sometimes referred to as Portland IN since it IS 
> referred to as the LARGEST ENGINE SHOW IN THE world! You also need to plan a 
> trip to one of the COOLSPRING, PA shows/museum. You will see engines there 
> that are ONE OF A KIND! 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Allen Home" 
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:47 PM 
> Subject: [SEL] What Show to Visit 
> 
> 
> > Hello to All; 
> > Its been a long time lurking for me but now I need some help. My wife 
> > and I am planning to be in London, Toronto and Midland, Ontario, Canada 
> > some time in July and /or early August this year. We want to attend some 
> > engine and tractor shows in Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, or 
> > Ohio. I have the 2009 Show Directory but do not know what are the best 
> > showes to attend in terms of size and variety. We will fly into Toronto 
> > and rent a car for a few weeks. We would plan to do day trips from 
> > London or Toronto or overnight stays for special shows. Any advice would 
> > be welcome. We might be convinced to drive from Edmonton through Canada 
> > and northern states via Chicago up to Toronto if special shows are 
> > suggested. 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > Jeff & Marja Allen at Home 
> > Edmonton, Alberta, Canada 
> > 
> > 
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Wed Apr 29 04:36:57 2009
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:36:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Caught in New HAmpshire
References: <20090429020655.11E531D1016@mail04.wcoil.com>
	<49849.203.12.35.157.1241004122.squirrel@boiler>
Message-ID: <003c01c9c8be$ce01dda0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

No trespassing signs are going up today at the Tod Engine Heritage Park.  We 
have no fence along the back of the property yet.

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Foundation
"Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-272-4089
www.todengine.org

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <pjp08 at steamengine.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Thieves Caught in New HAmpshire


>I think they can be more punished. Publish the circumstances and the names
> of everyone involved. Stick only to known facts with no embellishment or
> interpretation. Let people make up their own minds. I cannot believe you
> need no tresspass signs in the us - doesn't he have a fence?
>
> Paul
>
>> Ok heres the latest with what happened in more detail. I am still
>> withholding last names of the involved till charges are filed if
>> ever. This happened in Bethlehem New Hampshire over the weekend. Jim
>> the owner of the engines and his wife left for the recycling center
>> which is just two blocks from their house and returned a few minutes
>> later to find a pick up truck with ramps and a winch in the bed
>> backed up to his I think he said a 5 hp?? Waterloo engine which is
>> behind his garage. Keep in mind this is the only engine outside and
>> it is not visible from the road at any angle. Jim has lots of trees
>> around. The truck was backed up directly to the engine and the tail
>> gate was down, So they had just arrived. Jim and his wife came home
>> to see this and called the law. The two gentleman claimed to have
>> just been driving by and seen the engine and wanted to try to buy it.
>> (Remember the engine is not visible from the road)  The two men are
>> from Maine which is just 40 miles from Jim's place so  it may be
>> reasonable that they were just riving by but it can not be seen from
>> the road. Where the men are from in Maine I do not know.  Jim got the
>> engine two months ago and has not shown it yet.
>> Today the sheriff and the prosecutor are not sure they can bring
>> charges as the suspects had not dropped the ramps on the ground yet
>> or hooked the winch to the engine. Which would clearly show intent
>> the sheriff says. But without the ramps on the ground or the winch
>> hooked up they are not sure they can file charges that will stick.
>> Backed up to an item not visible from the road does not show enough
>> intent.
>>   So charges may not be brought up. And if so we can not mention the
>> names of the two gentlemen. They can not even be brought up on
>> trespassing charges as there isn't any No Trespassing signs posted.
>> Still waiting to hear how the two men found out about the engine to
>> even know it was there. I will pass on more as I learn
>> it.                          Mark
>>
>>
>>
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 29 04:48:56 2009
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:48:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
References: <87031C06-E6E9-47C2-B842-D8C1CF149417@rustyiron.com><20090428214346.JD16I.1748501.root@mp16>
	<20090429023016.AC6661D1016@mail04.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <1355BC53926146FE9C3A381A8E570140@Ed>

Thank you Mark and JB.

The piston is in a covered can with the home brew P oil inside this time. 
Next time my wife goes to a movie, I try cooking it on her new stove. Lets 
hope I don't get caught.  If that don't work, I will try the torch inside 
the piston. I thought of turning the carbon to co2 with the torch, but did 
not want to risk changing the temper of the rings.

This hobby is really fun when we do things we never did before.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings


> If you don't have a torch, stand the piston up on end and pour
> boiling water in the back side. Boil enough to pour it full, dump it
> out after a few moments. Refill with the rest of the hot water.  Or
> if you have the stuff needed, Just boil the piston in a pail of
> water. Dump some detergent in the water after its boiled a while,
> doesn't take much.    Mark
>
>
>
> At 09:43 PM 4/28/2009, you wrote:
>
>>
>> > On Apr 28, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Ed stoller wrote:
>> >
>> > > I finally got the piston out of my Ottawa ES 4282 , 4 HP and the
>> > > rings will
>> > > not budge. They are packed in with carbon. I had the piston soaking
>> > > for a
>> > > couple of weeks in a metal paint can in Acetone and ATF. The surface
>> > > looks
>> > > nice and clean but the rings are stuck. I may have broken one of them
>> > > already. I was thinking that maybe some hydrogen peroxide would
>> > > oxidize the
>> > > carbon?  Any ideas?????????
>> >
>>If you have a torch heat the inside of the piston in back of the
>>rings, this will expand it away from the rings.
>>J.B. Castagnos
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr 29 04:56:01 2009
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:56:01 +0100
Subject: [SEL] OT Nice bit of programming
Message-ID: <011b01c9c8c1$7b44f590$3a290556@intrepid>

I think this is the best bit of program writing I have seen for a while!
Also a firm with a good sense of humour.
HEMA is a Dutch department store. Take a look at their product page. 
You can't order anything (it's in Dutch, anyway)  but just wait a couple of 
seconds and watch what happens. Switch on Sound!
Don't click on any of the item pictures, just wait and see what happens.
This company has a sense of humor and a great computer programmer!!

http://producten.hema.nl/


Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From marinesurveys at msn.com  Wed Apr 29 05:16:20 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:16:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Nice bit of programming
In-Reply-To: <011b01c9c8c1$7b44f590$3a290556@intrepid>
References: <011b01c9c8c1$7b44f590$3a290556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <COL106-W229127A06AB570473D39C8B46F0@phx.gbl>


Dave;

you have too much time on your hands :)

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:56:01 +0100
> CC: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] OT Nice bit of programming
> 
> I think this is the best bit of program writing I have seen for a while!
> Also a firm with a good sense of humour.
> HEMA is a Dutch department store. Take a look at their product page. 
> You can't order anything (it's in Dutch, anyway) but just wait a couple of 
> seconds and watch what happens. Switch on Sound!
> Don't click on any of the item pictures, just wait and see what happens.
> This company has a sense of humor and a great computer programmer!!
> 
> http://producten.hema.nl/
> 
> 
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Apr 29 05:54:18 2009
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:54:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OT Nice bit of programming
In-Reply-To: <011b01c9c8c1$7b44f590$3a290556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <53082A8038D9476196AA7189ABD41269@tommyd0x52gkco>

That's neat Dave.  I notice there is a bit of universal language though.
On the last page the big radio is labeled "Ghettoblaster".

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:56 AM
To: Oldengine.org
Cc: atis
Subject: [SEL] OT Nice bit of programming


I think this is the best bit of program writing I have seen for a while!
Also a firm with a good sense of humour. HEMA is a Dutch department
store. Take a look at their product page. 
You can't order anything (it's in Dutch, anyway)  but just wait a couple
of 
seconds and watch what happens. Switch on Sound!
Don't click on any of the item pictures, just wait and see what happens.
This company has a sense of humor and a great computer programmer!!

http://producten.hema.nl/


Dave Croft
Warrington
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http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

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From kimmell at verizon.net  Wed Apr 29 06:23:11 2009
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:23:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Thieves Caught in New HAmpshire
In-Reply-To: <49849.203.12.35.157.1241004122.squirrel@boiler>
References: <20090429020655.11E531D1016@mail04.wcoil.com>
	<49849.203.12.35.157.1241004122.squirrel@boiler>
Message-ID: <0KIV0028M6IZ6MR6@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>

Welcome to the liberal USA.  The only people who get punished around 
here anymore are the innocent ones...

-Tony


At 06:22 AM 4/29/2009, you wrote:
>I cannot believe you need no tresspass signs in the us - doesn't he 
>have a fence?
>
>Paul




From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Wed Apr 29 07:03:52 2009
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (pjp08 at steamengine.com.au)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:03:52 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <50632.203.12.35.157.1241013832.squirrel@boiler>

Three 3m spars, two rope square lashings, six guy ropes and tent pegs and
a tarp. What else could you need? Hehehe - spot the Scout leader :).

Paul

> Hi all.
> What is your favorite portable shade for your displays?  Anything that
> was a total waste of money?
>




From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Wed Apr 29 07:18:16 2009
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:18:16 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
In-Reply-To: <1355BC53926146FE9C3A381A8E570140@Ed>
References: <87031C06-E6E9-47C2-B842-D8C1CF149417@rustyiron.com><20090428214346.JD16I.1748501.root@mp16>	<20090429023016.AC6661D1016@mail04.wcoil.com>
	<1355BC53926146FE9C3A381A8E570140@Ed>
Message-ID: <49F861A8.6060704@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Ed

A word of advice from one on the same team as your wife (last time I 
went to a movie I came home to find an R&V on the kitchen table, being 
pinstriped) - beware of the SMELL when cooking engine parts.  It might 
give you away!  Again, I'm speaking from experience here, when the head 
from a Petter Atomic had some overnight heat treatment in my Aga 
cooker.  It was some days before the smell and taint went.
So just bear in mind that your idea of "fun" might not be quite the same 
as Mrs Stoller's.
Hope this helps,
Dolly

Ed stoller wrote:
> Thank you Mark and JB.
>
> The piston is in a covered can with the home brew P oil inside this time. 
> Next time my wife goes to a movie, I try cooking it on her new stove. Lets 
> hope I don't get caught.  If that don't work, I will try the torch inside 
> the piston. I thought of turning the carbon to co2 with the torch, but did 
> not want to risk changing the temper of the rings.
>
> This hobby is really fun when we do things we never did before.
>
> Ed Stoller
>   

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 29 07:51:39 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:51:39 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
In-Reply-To: <49F861A8.6060704@insulate.co.uk>
References: <87031C06-E6E9-47C2-B842-D8C1CF149417@rustyiron.com><20090428214346.JD16I.1748501.root@mp16>
	<20090429023016.AC6661D1016@mail04.wcoil.com>
	<1355BC53926146FE9C3A381A8E570140@Ed> <49F861A8.6060704@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BLU135-W38961AF3E80B391E9ABBBC86F0@phx.gbl>


Wow! Sounds like quite a night. 

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 

===========================
 
> From: fbi at insulate.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
> 
> Again, I'm speaking from experience here, when the head 
> from a Petter Atomic had some overnight heat treatment in my Aga 
> cooker. It was some days before the smell and taint went.
> So just bear in mind that your idea of "fun" might not be quite the same 
> as Mrs Stoller's.
> Hope this helps,
> Dolly
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
> 

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Apr 29 09:23:56 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:23:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
In-Reply-To: <49F861A8.6060704@insulate.co.uk>
References: <87031C06-E6E9-47C2-B842-D8C1CF149417@rustyiron.com><20090428214346.JD16I.1748501.root@mp16>
	<20090429023016.AC6661D1016@mail04.wcoil.com>
	<1355BC53926146FE9C3A381A8E570140@Ed>
	<49F861A8.6060704@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <13d311a11ab129c57cd4966e53ac0c41.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Dolly's sage advice extends to the laundry room as well.  I had a set of coveralls
that had gotten liberally coated with Tod Engine Grease.  Bright spark that I was I
laid them out in the driveway, hosed 'em down with Gunk and then hosed 'em with
water.  Man did they still stink!  Ahhhh, I know, into the washer!

VERY BAD idea.  I opened the washer and was nearly floored by the smell of Gunk (the
overalls still stunk as well).  Only then did it dawn on me that I shared the house
with three females all of whom had extensive (and expensive) collections of
Victoria's Secret lingerie.  I could see my doom writ large if the lingerie went
into the washer.

I think it took nearly a dozen "loads" before the smell went away.  Close call...

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, April 29, 2009 10:18 am, Jim French wrote:
>
> A word of advice from one on the same team as your wife (last time I
> went to a movie I came home to find an R&V on the kitchen table, being
> pinstriped) - beware of the SMELL when cooking engine parts.  It might
> give you away!  Again, I'm speaking from experience here, when the head
> from a Petter Atomic had some overnight heat treatment in my Aga
> cooker.  It was some days before the smell and taint went.
> So just bear in mind that your idea of "fun" might not be quite the same
> as Mrs Stoller's.





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Apr 29 09:41:08 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:41:08 +0200
Subject: [SEL] RRe:  Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1241020802.27547.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429183705.01f8a200@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 29/04/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 14
>Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:52:59 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
>
>Hi Ron,
>That's an easy <Big Snip>
>I assume that you ARE talking about people shade here and not shade for your
>engines?  Real men let their engines run in the rain.  8-))
>See ya,  Arnie

Hey Arnie,
         In South Africa we use trees (I know they're not portable but the 
engines are :-)
         Real men are not scared of a bit of rain either !! <grin>

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 29 09:42:57 2009
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:42:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <BLU135-W548EC9574CF05514A3795DC86F0@phx.gbl>
References: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590AB58C7F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> 
	<COL112-W62EB4A9BFFF4E6BA9518DF956E0@phx.gbl> 
	<BLU135-W548EC9574CF05514A3795DC86F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <COL112-W11B7BC099065CC6208B0E6956F0@phx.gbl>


Lile I said..... It's never bad weather at Portland! 
 
> From: flywheelin at hotmail.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:52:32 +0000
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
> 
> 
> Steve's ez up can be seen in action here:
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-62.jpg
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-64.jpg
> 
> Luke Tonneberger
> 
> Rockford, Michigan
> 
> USA 
> 
> =========================================
> 
> > From: steve_royster at hotmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
> > 
> > 
> > I've been using ez ups for years, they lasted through the portland storms when the others were bent and destroyed. Steve
> > 
> 
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 29 09:47:24 2009
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:47:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
References: <87031C06-E6E9-47C2-B842-D8C1CF149417@rustyiron.com><20090428214346.JD16I.1748501.root@mp16>	<20090429023016.AC6661D1016@mail04.wcoil.com><1355BC53926146FE9C3A381A8E570140@Ed>
	<49F861A8.6060704@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <24B7CEDFE1AA4D77AC3719EBA572ADB1@Ed>

I think you are right. I would hate to have to go hungry.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings


> Hi Ed
>
> A word of advice from one on the same team as your wife (last time I
> went to a movie I came home to find an R&V on the kitchen table, being
> pinstriped) - beware of the SMELL when cooking engine parts.  It might
> give you away!  Again, I'm speaking from experience here, when the head
> from a Petter Atomic had some overnight heat treatment in my Aga
> cooker.  It was some days before the smell and taint went.
> So just bear in mind that your idea of "fun" might not be quite the same
> as Mrs Stoller's.
> Hope this helps,
> Dolly
>
> Ed stoller wrote:
>> Thank you Mark and JB.
>>
>> The piston is in a covered can with the home brew P oil inside this time.
>> Next time my wife goes to a movie, I try cooking it on her new stove. 
>> Lets
>> hope I don't get caught.  If that don't work, I will try the torch inside
>> the piston. I thought of turning the carbon to co2 with the torch, but 
>> did
>> not want to risk changing the temper of the rings.
>>
>> This hobby is really fun when we do things we never did before.
>>
>> Ed Stoller
>>
>
> -- 
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Apr 29 10:06:47 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:06:47 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 61, Issue 29
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1241020802.27547.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429185715.00c5bd80@mail.atech.co.za>


>On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel
>Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:02 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Ballot Box Stuffing Request
>Is that how the current POTUS got in?
>     Dave
>PS, Thank you for your voteS

Hi Dave,
          What is a POTUS ? (An "off List" reply may be in order :-)
Jerry
(Who's voted about 4 times per day recently from the same computer - follow 
Pete Lowe's original instructions - Log off - delete all temporary files - 
delete cookies and history. Reboot the computer and log on and vote again - 
as many times as you have the patience to repeat the above.) (Arnie (and 
all of those who do not want to exist on wind or solar power) are gonna owe 
me "big time" for this :-))
(29 hours left to get those votes in) 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Apr 29 10:18:08 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:18:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W11B7BC099065CC6208B0E6956F0@phx.gbl>
References: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590AB58C7F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<COL112-W62EB4A9BFFF4E6BA9518DF956E0@phx.gbl>
	<BLU135-W548EC9574CF05514A3795DC86F0@phx.gbl>
	<COL112-W11B7BC099065CC6208B0E6956F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <b4d3f1499d99cd8767c33085f618783d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Where are the pics taken later in the day of Susan & Lincoln Tucker (or was it
Brooke?) swimming in the engine area and that one nut kayaking past the back of the
grandstand?  8-))  Man, that was a day to remember!!

On Wed, April 29, 2009 12:42 pm, Steve Royster wrote:
>
> Lile I said..... It's never bad weather at Portland!
>
>> From: flywheelin at hotmail.com
>> Steve's ez up can be seen in action here:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-62.jpg
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-64.jpg
>> Luke Tonneberger





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Apr 29 10:21:55 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:21:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] RRe:  Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429183705.01f8a200@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429183705.01f8a200@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <2fe530b7ea85e097f6e7f861c4f54bad.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

But Jerry, all that rain dilutes the beer!  You did see Luke's Portland pics?

On Wed, April 29, 2009 12:41 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
>          In South Africa we use trees (I know they're not portable but the
> engines are :-)
>          Real men are not scared of a bit of rain either !! <grin>





From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 29 10:39:43 2009
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:39:43 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
In-Reply-To: <b4d3f1499d99cd8767c33085f618783d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <20090428.123314.1528.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590AB58C7F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<COL112-W62EB4A9BFFF4E6BA9518DF956E0@phx.gbl>
	<BLU135-W548EC9574CF05514A3795DC86F0@phx.gbl>
	<COL112-W11B7BC099065CC6208B0E6956F0@phx.gbl> 
	<b4d3f1499d99cd8767c33085f618783d.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BLU135-W5F78CB9B17FEF13E4D131C86F0@phx.gbl>


Here a couple pics after the swimming session:

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-75.jpg

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-76.jpg


All of the rain pics and storm pics can be seen here toward the bottom of the page:

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/portland04.html


Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 

=================================
 
> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:18:08 -0400
> From: fero_ah at city-net.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Favorite portable shade
> 
> Where are the pics taken later in the day of Susan & Lincoln Tucker (or was it
> Brooke?) swimming in the engine area and that one nut kayaking past the back of the
> grandstand? 8-)) Man, that was a day to remember!!
> 
> On Wed, April 29, 2009 12:42 pm, Steve Royster wrote:
> >
> > Lile I said..... It's never bad weather at Portland!
> >
> >> From: flywheelin at hotmail.com
> >> Steve's ez up can be seen in action here:
> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-62.jpg
> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/port04-64.jpg
> >> Luke Tonneberger
> 
> 
> 
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From oldironnut at windstream.net  Wed Apr 29 10:51:58 2009
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:51:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 61, Issue 29
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429185715.00c5bd80@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429185715.00c5bd80@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <2D784708-617C-4342-A6C8-904AF6E70554@windstream.net>

POTUS= President Of The United States

On Apr 29, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>          What is a POTUS ? (An "off List" reply may be in order :-)
> Jerry

______________________
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oldironnut at windstream.net
Versailles, Kentucky, USA
______________________






From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Apr 29 12:29:16 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:29:16 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 61, Issue 29
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1241020802.27547.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429201624.01f80f10@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 29/04/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 7
>Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:48:47 -0400
>From: "Jim Hardman" <Jim at hardmanfamily.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] New epoxy product
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>Jerry, and all,
>Some epoxies will stand up to hot water,
><snip>
>Just because the fomulator says his product has "unlimited uses"
><another snip>
>For most engine applications, epoxies are acceptable choices for
>reconstruction where high temperatures are not expected.  Anything over the
>boiling point of water can be trouble for a lot of epoxies.  And the
>presence of water can compound the problem.
>
>This is not a blanket condemnation of epoxies for repairing water jackets.
>It is, however, a wake up call that all epoxies are NOT the same and that
>specialty compounds are generally available for most applications.  Do your
>homework and contact the maker for approval for your particular job.
><yet another snip>
>Jim in Vermont

Hi Jim,
         Many thanks for your input - please excuse the <snips's> above 
they are in no way meant as condemnation of your valued reply - just to 
make this reply easier to read and keep the list mail "uncluttered".
         You did supply very relevant answers to another "epoxy related" 
mail I sent to the list a year or so ago and, at that time it was also very 
good information. Thanks again.
         I posted this subject to the list as I thought that it would be of 
interest to the members.
         I, in no way, recommended (or otherwise) the product, I only 
mentioned that it was interesting. I have not used it (but have ordered 
some to "try"). I also mentioned that I had contacted the manufacturers for 
more details but this has not been forthcoming.
         My interest was sparked by the fact that a well respected local 
restorer had used the product and was impressed by it.
         Your comments were relevant but please consider that there may be 
other uses for the product where it is totally acceptable - I really liked 
the way he repaired that "flywheel" on the vintage wine press and also that 
small "cover" he made for an oil well. Neither of those uses involved 
"water" or "moisture" or to a lesser extent "temperature".
         Of course there are many "purists" in our ranks and to them, if 
it's not cast iron then it's "no good" or "not original" - in fact, to 
them, if it is not an original casting then it's also "no good" - I have no 
argument with them but not all of us can afford that kind of attitude.
         I agree totally with your statement "cut & pasted""Just because 
the fomulator says his product has "unlimited uses etc.". That's just 
advertising and very vague - I'd like to think that most of us would not 
fall for that. (Which is why I've asked for more specs and also ordered a 
pack to try.)
         There are a lot of statements in their advertising that are very 
vague as well as a lack of actual specifications, but the product does have 
some "possible uses" which is why I made the post in the first place.
         FWIW: I have my doubts about that water jacket repair to a small 
outboard engine but it's not up to me to judge - time will tell! (and yes, 
it's not original !!). What the heck, if it works and does pass the test of 
time then another vintage engine runs again even though a "purist" will not 
pay any bucks for it. I restore my engines for my own pleasure - not to 
sell to someone who has big bucks and if I have to use modern materials 
then so be it !

         Once again, I neither endorse nor condemn the product. I only 
posted it because I thought it would be of interest to the list. For all I 
know, the "hard metals" that they claim to be used as a filler (or was it 
dense metals?) could just be magnesium sweepings off the local beach ! :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Apr 29 13:04:50 2009
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:04:50 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1241020802.27547.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429213540.00c5d508@mail.atech.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 29/04/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 10
>Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:52:01 -0700
>From: Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
>
>Hi, Ed.  Get yourself a brass drift, start at one end, and tap the
>rings IN.
<big
snip>
>Rob Skinner

Hi guys,
         No disrespect meant, but why is it so important to save the old rings?
         Allow me to ask a few questions:
         i) Is it for the sake of keeping the "original" parts and does 
this increase the value of the restored engine?
         ii) Is it because replacing the "old rings" with "new rings" does 
not fit the budget or that those "old rings" are no longer available "ex 
stock". ?

         If it is for the sake of being able to say "this engine is totally 
original as it came from the factory" then I do understand.
         If NOT then why not break the old rings out and have new ones 
made? (The old ones are perfect for cleaning out the "ring grooves" and are 
probably worn out anyway).

         Maybe we are just lucky in South Africa in that we have a company 
that specializes in making piston rings (from their own cast iron) and are 
quite willing to make a single set of rings at a very reasonable price. My 
12 H.P. Witte Diesel rings (are there 5 or 6 of them, I don't remember) 
cost ZAR 250.00 or thereabouts. That's about US$ 30.00. (or about 50 cans 
of good South African Beer :-))
         Just asking!

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 29 13:18:45 2009
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:18:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] New epoxy product
Message-ID: <287414.63019.qm@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

There Jerry,,,
I fixed the Subject line for you.
?
Alan

--- On Wed, 4/29/09, Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:


From: Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 61, Issue 29
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 3:29 PM


At 06:00 PM 29/04/2009, you wrote:
>Message: 7
>Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:48:47 -0400
>From: "Jim Hardman" <Jim at hardmanfamily.net>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] New epoxy product
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>Jerry, and all,
>Some epoxies will stand up to hot water,
><snip>
>Just because the fomulator says his product has "unlimited uses"
><another snip>
>For most engine applications, epoxies are acceptable choices for
>reconstruction where high temperatures are not expected.? Anything over the
>boiling point of water can be trouble for a lot of epoxies.? And the
>presence of water can compound the problem.
>
>This is not a blanket condemnation of epoxies for repairing water jackets.
>It is, however, a wake up call that all epoxies are NOT the same and that
>specialty compounds are generally available for most applications.? Do your
>homework and contact the maker for approval for your particular job.
><yet another snip>
>Jim in Vermont

Hi Jim,
? ? ? ???Many thanks for your input - please excuse the <snips's> above 
they are in no way meant as condemnation of your valued reply - just to 
make this reply easier to read and keep the list mail "uncluttered".
? ? ? ???You did supply very relevant answers to another "epoxy related" 
mail I sent to the list a year or so ago and, at that time it was also very 
good information. Thanks again.
? ? ? ???I posted this subject to the list as I thought that it would be of 
interest to the members.
? ? ? ???I, in no way, recommended (or otherwise) the product, I only 
mentioned that it was interesting. I have not used it (but have ordered 
some to "try"). I also mentioned that I had contacted the manufacturers for 
more details but this has not been forthcoming.
? ? ? ???My interest was sparked by the fact that a well respected local 
restorer had used the product and was impressed by it.
? ? ? ???Your comments were relevant but please consider that there may be 
other uses for the product where it is totally acceptable - I really liked 
the way he repaired that "flywheel" on the vintage wine press and also that 
small "cover" he made for an oil well. Neither of those uses involved 
"water" or "moisture" or to a lesser extent "temperature".
? ? ? ???Of course there are many "purists" in our ranks and to them, if 
it's not cast iron then it's "no good" or "not original" - in fact, to 
them, if it is not an original casting then it's also "no good" - I have no 
argument with them but not all of us can afford that kind of attitude.
? ? ? ???I agree totally with your statement "cut & pasted""Just because 
the fomulator says his product has "unlimited uses etc.". That's just 
advertising and very vague - I'd like to think that most of us would not 
fall for that. (Which is why I've asked for more specs and also ordered a 
pack to try.)
? ? ? ???There are a lot of statements in their advertising that are very 
vague as well as a lack of actual specifications, but the product does have 
some "possible uses" which is why I made the post in the first place.
? ? ? ???FWIW: I have my doubts about that water jacket repair to a small 
outboard engine but it's not up to me to judge - time will tell! (and yes, 
it's not original !!). What the heck, if it works and does pass the test of 
time then another vintage engine runs again even though a "purist" will not 
pay any bucks for it. I restore my engines for my own pleasure - not to 
sell to someone who has big bucks and if I have to use modern materials 
then so be it !

? ? ? ???Once again, I neither endorse nor condemn the product. I only 
posted it because I thought it would be of interest to the list. For all I 
know, the "hard metals" that they claim to be used as a filler (or was it 
dense metals?) could just be magnesium sweepings off the local beach ! :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>



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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Apr 29 13:22:10 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:22:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] POTUS/VOTE
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429185715.00c5bd80@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <011801c9c908$2e0a2d30$0901000a@coec543>

Hi Jerry,
    POTUS stands for President Of The United States. He keeps telling me to 
just call him Barry, but I think that would show disrespect and I just can't 
bring myself to it!
    The lovely #19 is now just 73 votes ahead of that little cheat #7! I 
believe that #7 is having her mother (and great aunt) solicite votes. How 
low can you get? In any event, vote some more. Unless this is at least a 100 
point win the pinko-commies (both of you out there know who you are!) will 
demand a recount!
    Dave
PS, Early and often--less than 9 hours and counting!

>
> Hi Dave,
>          What is a POTUS ? (An "off List" reply may be in order :-)
> Jerry
> (Who's voted about 4 times per day recently from the same computer - 
> follow
> Pete Lowe's original instructions - Log off - delete all temporary files -
> delete cookies and history. Reboot the computer and log on and vote 
> again -
> as many times as you have the patience to repeat the above.) (Arnie (and
> all of those who do not want to exist on wind or solar power) are gonna 
> owe
> me "big time" for this :-))
> (29 hours left to get those votes in)
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Apr 29 13:42:08 2009
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:42:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] POTUS/VOTE
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429185715.00c5bd80@mail.atech.co.za>
	<011801c9c908$2e0a2d30$0901000a@coec543>
Message-ID: <013e01c9c90a$f9030370$0901000a@coec543>

 OPPS, You can vote at http://www.brollopsmagasinet.se/?id=10554
       Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] POTUS/VOTE


> Hi Jerry,
>    POTUS stands for President Of The United States. He keeps telling me to
> just call him Barry, but I think that would show disrespect and I just 
> can't
> bring myself to it!
>    The lovely #19 is now just 73 votes ahead of that little cheat #7! I
> believe that #7 is having her mother (and great aunt) solicite votes. How
> low can you get? In any event, vote some more. Unless this is at least a 
> 100
> point win the pinko-commies (both of you out there know who you are!) will
> demand a recount!
>    Dave
> PS, Early and often--less than 9 hours and counting!
>
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>          What is a POTUS ? (An "off List" reply may be in order :-)
>> Jerry
>> (Who's voted about 4 times per day recently from the same computer -
>> follow
>> Pete Lowe's original instructions - Log off - delete all temporary 
>> files -
>> delete cookies and history. Reboot the computer and log on and vote
>> again -
>> as many times as you have the patience to repeat the above.) (Arnie (and
>> all of those who do not want to exist on wind or solar power) are gonna
>> owe
>> me "big time" for this :-))
>> (29 hours left to get those votes in)
>>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Apr 29 13:57:36 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:57:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429213540.00c5d508@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429213540.00c5d508@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <a7e4165acce6d7ad51fdd7aedd49445f.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Jerry,

If the old rings are in good shape and the engine has good compression, why would I
want to replace the rings?  If, OTOH, the rings are shot and you have no
compression, then you evaluate the rings and cylinder bore and fix what needs to be
fixed.

Personally, I'd rather spend the money on beer than on unneeded new rings.

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, April 29, 2009 4:04 pm, Jerry Evans wrote:
> No disrespect meant, but why is it so important to save the old rings?





From sndakitto at activ8.net.au  Wed Apr 29 14:52:24 2009
From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:52:24 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Bearings for Ronnie N needed
Message-ID: <001b01c9c914$cdebee90$69c3cbb0$@net.au>

To those in OZ.
I am looking for main bearings for a 3HP Ronnie N. If anyone has any in the
back of the shed that are usable and want to part with them please contact
me. They need to be in good condition. The Timken number on them is 414

Thanks
Steve

Steve and Denise Kitto
95 Coleyville Road
Mutdapilly  QLD   Australia 4307 
Ph 07 54671541

As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.  
Proverbs 27:19



From rob at rustyiron.com  Wed Apr 29 16:03:14 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:03:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429213540.00c5d508@mail.atech.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429213540.00c5d508@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <44657451-CC0D-47F8-AB50-A294C62E6155@rustyiron.com>

On Apr 29, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:
>  No disrespect meant, but why is it so important to save the old  
> rings?


Hi, Jerry.  I've not restored nearly enough engines to gather adequate  
data to provide scientific facts, but I have some strong thoughts on  
the subject.  As an engine is run, the rings wear, the ring lands  
wear, the piston wears and the cylinder wears.  All these bits wear to  
match one another.  The taper of the ring grooves will match the  
rings, and the rings will match the out-of-round cylinder.  These  
mated surfaces can make a reasonable seal.

If you go and put round rings in an oval bore, or square rings in a  
tapered groove, you won't have a good seal at all.  New rings can be  
WORSE than old rings.

Last year I did a brief article on fitting new rings to an old  
piston.  The cylinder bore was very good, but the rings were broken  
when I got the engine.  http://engines.rustyiron.com/articles/ 
piston.pdf  The file is PDF and about 6 megs, so it might take a few  
minutes to send the file down your way.


	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com




From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Apr 29 17:41:37 2009
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:41:37 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
Message-ID: <c16.6009a724.372a4dc1@aol.com>

The piston rings are now on the piston.  It finally took two of us to  
spread and get on using shims to slide into position.  They sure have a lot  of 
tension and hope that they do not have too much.  They were made by  folks 
that is their specialty.
 
Thanks for all the tips from everyone.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 29 19:06:41 2009
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:06:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20090429213540.00c5d508@mail.atech.co.za>
Message-ID: <8EDD4643C1FF4317AD22EB361DAFDC4F@Ed>

Hi Jerry,

I picked up the 4 HP  Ottawa Log Saw engine a few weeks after our fall show. 
It was in the flee market and no one wanted it. It looked very rusty and the 
piston was stuck and it is not complete. I picked it up for $25 just to 
develop some skills getting the stuck piston out. I really did not plan to 
restore it. But, now that the piston is out and the working part of the 
cylinder wall does not look that bad to me, so I plan to clean it up , 
repair what is there and paint it. I am thinking about making a mixer and 
igniter.  The rings are pinned and the gap is cut on an angle so getting new 
ones might be a hassle. Besides, it would not be hard to install new rings 
if everything else was in place. Since the rings are pinned, I plan to 
remove them one at a time so as to not get them mixed up or turned around 
and re- install them exactly the way they came out so as to match the 
original ware pattern except for a light honing of the cylinder wall. I plan 
to make mic the cylinder before installing the piston.

I may have already broken one ring by tapping it in before I made the first 
post.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings


> At 06:00 PM 29/04/2009, you wrote:
>>Message: 10
>>Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:52:01 -0700
>>From: Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Stuck Piston Rings
>>
>>Hi, Ed.  Get yourself a brass drift, start at one end, and tap the
>>rings IN.
> <big
> snip>
>>Rob Skinner
>
> Hi guys,
>         No disrespect meant, but why is it so important to save the old 
> rings?
>         Allow me to ask a few questions:
>         i) Is it for the sake of keeping the "original" parts and does
> this increase the value of the restored engine?
>         ii) Is it because replacing the "old rings" with "new rings" does
> not fit the budget or that those "old rings" are no longer available "ex
> stock". ?
>
>         If it is for the sake of being able to say "this engine is totally
> original as it came from the factory" then I do understand.
>         If NOT then why not break the old rings out and have new ones
> made? (The old ones are perfect for cleaning out the "ring grooves" and 
> are
> probably worn out anyway).
>
>         Maybe we are just lucky in South Africa in that we have a company
> that specializes in making piston rings (from their own cast iron) and are
> quite willing to make a single set of rings at a very reasonable price. My
> 12 H.P. Witte Diesel rings (are there 5 or 6 of them, I don't remember)
> cost ZAR 250.00 or thereabouts. That's about US$ 30.00. (or about 50 cans
> of good South African Beer :-))
>         Just asking!
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
>
>
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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Thu Apr 30 01:03:24 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 04:03:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
Message-ID: <COL106-W4303C8B806448A51CBAF17B46C0@phx.gbl>


Well not a lot to report since my last post.

Pistons still VERY stuck, soaking in every thing you can think of.

{ I havn't tried Scotch } gave it lotsa thought though ;-}

I'm awating a 5/8" BSF tap to make couplings for the head studs

to extend the length, then fit a 1" plate to accomidate a hydraulic

"Porta-Power" ram, to ease the piston down.

Once I can accomplish this I can remove the Cylinder blocks

then re-attack the pistons & liners, and finish the complete tear down.

 

Good news is I found a # 5 Bell housing for the engine that would 

allow coupling a genset up directly, BAD NEWS, its in Nottingham UK

I'm sure the post to get it here would be bloody expensive.

 

Back to finding another plan, I suppose.

 

 

Remember, "Rust Never Sleeps"

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470





From wmlyoung at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 30 02:02:59 2009
From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 02:02:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
Message-ID: <108432.68720.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Guys, Bill Young here ( In Japan)
? I got all excited when I read the thread about acetone and ATF.? Went to the shop and mixed half?a liter of each together in a glass container ( for observation, not storage.)? 
?? Beautiful color.? But, without further testing, I am wondering if Dave-san might have a valid point, "A" OR "F."? I have not yet determined what type mine was (is) but it certainly appears that the two fluids are not miscible.? A few minutes after mixing and vigorous shaking the two components have separated. Has anyone actually mixed and used this concoction?
?? Tommy-san, If you give it a go, please let me know your results -- and what type you used.
wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp
?
--- On Wed, 4/8/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 10:47 AM


Hi Tommy, Does this friend know the meaning of the word "subjective"? 
as in "subjective test?"
??? Dave
PS, Do you know where I can buy some of that None stuff?

On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Does it matter which type of ATF is used?? Type A or Type F?
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge
> Tommy Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:28 AM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
>
> A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info below.? Quite? 
> interesting.
> Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY? USA
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break out
> torque on rusted nuts.? Significant results!? They are below, as
> forwarded by an ex-student and professional machinist, Bud Baker.
> *Don't forget the April 2007 "Machinist's Workshop" magazine? 
> comparison
> test.*
> **
> *They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants with
> the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a
> "scientifically rusted" environment.*
> **
>
> *Penetrating oil ..... Average load*
>
> None ..................... 516 pounds
> WD-40 .................. 238 pounds
> PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds
> Liquid Wrench ..... 127 pounds
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
> ATF-Acetone mix....53 pounds
>
> *The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission
> fluid and acetone.*
> *Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this? 
> one
> particular test. Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about
> as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. *
> **
> *Your experience may vary, etc., etc.*
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Apr 30 03:48:54 2009
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:48:54 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
References: <108432.68720.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3026983710734D71BF801BD0E747D5C8@peterlowe>

Hello Bill San

Mine did the same thing, but in time and after shaking a few times it does 
all come together.
Peter San , Oz





Hi Guys, Bill Young here ( In Japan)
I got all excited when I read the thread about acetone and ATF. Went to the 
shop and mixed half a liter of each together in a glass container ( for 
observation, not storage.)
Beautiful color. But, without further testing, I am wondering if Dave-san 
might have a valid point, "A" OR "F." I have not yet determined what type 
mine was (is) but it certainly appears that the two fluids are not miscible. 
A few minutes after mixing and vigorous shaking the two components have 
separated. Has anyone actually mixed and used this concoction?
Tommy-san, If you give it a go, please let me know your results -- and what 
type you used.
wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 10:47 AM


Hi Tommy, Does this friend know the meaning of the word "subjective"
as in "subjective test?"
Dave
PS, Do you know where I can buy some of that None stuff?

On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Best, George wrote:

> Does it matter which type of ATF is used? Type A or Type F?
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge
> Tommy Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:28 AM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
>
> A friend, who is an SEL member, sent the info below. Quite
> interesting.
> Looks like I might buy a can of acetone and ATF.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY USA
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break out
> torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They are below, as
> forwarded by an ex-student and professional machinist, Bud Baker.
> *Don't forget the April 2007 "Machinist's Workshop" magazine
> comparison
> test.*
> **
> *They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants with
> the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a
> "scientifically rusted" environment.*
> **
>
> *Penetrating oil ..... Average load*
>
> None ..................... 516 pounds
> WD-40 .................. 238 pounds
> PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds
> Liquid Wrench ..... 127 pounds
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
> ATF-Acetone mix....53 pounds
>
> *The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission
> fluid and acetone.*
> *Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one
> particular test. Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about
> as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. *
> **
> *Your experience may vary, etc., etc.*
>
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu Apr 30 07:31:55 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:31:55 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <108432.68720.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <108432.68720.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1752218E-EBBC-4A1D-AA89-F13A4C0ACDC1@rustyiron.com>

Young-san, good to hear from you!  Yes, I mixed them together.

Actually I was goofing around with a chain lubricant for my bicycle.   
I'll not get into the subtle nuances of bicycle chain lubrication,  
other than to say I'm not convinced that the traditional commercial  
products are of much value.  My mixture consisted of 1/3 gear oil,  
with which I had already been experimenting, 1/3 ATF, and 1/3  
acetone.  The concoction magically mixed up and as stayed that way  
ever since.

My lube trials are still ongoing, but my initial impression is that  
it's "liquidy" enough to penetrate into tight places, it can cut  
through existing residue, and when it evaporates, it leaves behind the  
good stuff.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com





On Apr 30, 2009, at 2:02 AM, William Young wrote:

> Hi Guys, Bill Young here ( In Japan)
>   I got all excited when I read the thread about acetone and ATF.   
> Went to the shop and mixed half a liter of each together in a glass  
> container ( for observation, not storage.)
>    Beautiful color.  But, without further testing, I am wondering if  
> Dave-san might have a valid point, "A" OR "F."  I have not yet  
> determined what type mine was (is) but it certainly appears that the  
> two fluids are not miscible.  A few minutes after mixing and  
> vigorous shaking the two components have separated. Has anyone  
> actually mixed and used this concoction?
>    Tommy-san, If you give it a go, please let me know your results  
> -- and what type you used.
> wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp
>


From marinesurveys at msn.com  Thu Apr 30 08:35:04 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:35:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <1752218E-EBBC-4A1D-AA89-F13A4C0ACDC1@rustyiron.com>
References: <108432.68720.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<1752218E-EBBC-4A1D-AA89-F13A4C0ACDC1@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W19C893EBA768CF9E6D6685B46C0@phx.gbl>


Rob;

When you say "Gear Oil" what kind are you refering to ?

 

                Thanks

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: rob at rustyiron.com
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:31:55 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
> 
> Young-san, good to hear from you! Yes, I mixed them together.
> 
> Actually I was goofing around with a chain lubricant for my bicycle. 
> I'll not get into the subtle nuances of bicycle chain lubrication, 
> other than to say I'm not convinced that the traditional commercial 
> products are of much value. My mixture consisted of 1/3 gear oil, 
> with which I had already been experimenting, 1/3 ATF, and 1/3 
> acetone. The concoction magically mixed up and as stayed that way 
> ever since.
> 
> My lube trials are still ongoing, but my initial impression is that 
> it's "liquidy" enough to penetrate into tight places, it can cut 
> through existing residue, and when it evaporates, it leaves behind the 
> good stuff.
> 
> 
> Rob Skinner
> Antique Stationary Engines
> La Habra, California
> 
> rob at rustyiron.com
> www.rustyiron.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 30, 2009, at 2:02 AM, William Young wrote:
> 
> > Hi Guys, Bill Young here ( In Japan)
> > I got all excited when I read the thread about acetone and ATF. 
> > Went to the shop and mixed half a liter of each together in a glass 
> > container ( for observation, not storage.)
> > Beautiful color. But, without further testing, I am wondering if 
> > Dave-san might have a valid point, "A" OR "F." I have not yet 
> > determined what type mine was (is) but it certainly appears that the 
> > two fluids are not miscible. A few minutes after mixing and 
> > vigorous shaking the two components have separated. Has anyone 
> > actually mixed and used this concoction?
> > Tommy-san, If you give it a go, please let me know your results 
> > -- and what type you used.
> > wmyoung at juno.ocn.ne.jp
> >
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From falcon at telenet.net  Thu Apr 30 08:53:40 2009
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:53:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <1752218E-EBBC-4A1D-AA89-F13A4C0ACDC1@rustyiron.com>
References: <108432.68720.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<1752218E-EBBC-4A1D-AA89-F13A4C0ACDC1@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <49F9C984.6030507@telenet.net>

Rob Skinner wrote:
> Young-san, good to hear from you!  Yes, I mixed them together.
> 
> Actually I was goofing around with a chain lubricant for my bicycle.   
> I'll not get into the subtle nuances of bicycle chain lubrication,  
> other than to say I'm not convinced that the traditional commercial  
> products are of much value.  My mixture consisted of 1/3 gear oil,  
> with which I had already been experimenting, 1/3 ATF, and 1/3  
> acetone.  The concoction magically mixed up and as stayed that way  
> ever since.
> 
> My lube trials are still ongoing, but my initial impression is that  
> it's "liquidy" enough to penetrate into tight places, it can cut  
> through existing residue, and when it evaporates, it leaves behind the  
> good stuff.
> 
> 	
> Rob Skinner
> Antique Stationary Engines
> La Habra, California
> 
> rob at rustyiron.com
> www.rustyiron.com

Rob,
 I have had great luck using standard paraffin with teflon powder
blended in. You pull the chain, clean it in a solvent to remove
dirt/grit/old lube. The heat the mix so it is THIN. Then soak the chain
in it for 10-20 minutes. Pull it out and let it drip dry.
Doesn't fling off and doesn't attract dirt.
Once you soak it you can re-lube it using the same mix. Just heat it up
and brush it on with an acid brush.


-- 
Steve Williams


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Apr 30 11:02:38 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:02:38 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse diagonal cut cam gear
Message-ID: <20090430180239.F3415405521@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

A while back some one was looking for parts for a little FM. I think they
were in Au. or Nz. Anyway there is a parts engine on Ebay #300311578124 .
Maybe the seller will part it out for you to keep the shipping costs down.
Good luck! Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato Ca. 415 892 0236

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Apr 30 11:34:05 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:34:05 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W4303C8B806448A51CBAF17B46C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090430183410.4D5F64C90D3@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Frank, are thee any pictures of the engine or a similar one available?
Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:03 AM
To: AA_OLD ENGINE
Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A


Well not a lot to report since my last post.

Pistons still VERY stuck, soaking in every thing you can think of.

{ I havn't tried Scotch } gave it lotsa thought though ;-}

I'm awating a 5/8" BSF tap to make couplings for the head studs

to extend the length, then fit a 1" plate to accomidate a hydraulic

"Porta-Power" ram, to ease the piston down.

Once I can accomplish this I can remove the Cylinder blocks

then re-attack the pistons & liners, and finish the complete tear down.

 

Good news is I found a # 5 Bell housing for the engine that would 

allow coupling a genset up directly, BAD NEWS, its in Nottingham UK

I'm sure the post to get it here would be bloody expensive.

 

Back to finding another plan, I suppose.

 

 

Remember, "Rust Never Sleeps"

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Thu Apr 30 12:34:59 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:34:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
In-Reply-To: <20090430183410.4D5F64C90D3@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <COL106-W4303C8B806448A51CBAF17B46C0@phx.gbl>
	<20090430183410.4D5F64C90D3@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W16AAD0EC38097CB3E8F52B46C0@phx.gbl>


Jim;

 

Here is a link to have a look.

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:34:05 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> 
> Frank, are thee any pictures of the engine or a similar one available?
> Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:03 AM
> To: AA_OLD ENGINE
> Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> 
> 
> Well not a lot to report since my last post.
> 
> Pistons still VERY stuck, soaking in every thing you can think of.
> 
> { I havn't tried Scotch } gave it lotsa thought though ;-}
> 
> I'm awating a 5/8" BSF tap to make couplings for the head studs
> 
> to extend the length, then fit a 1" plate to accomidate a hydraulic
> 
> "Porta-Power" ram, to ease the piston down.
> 
> Once I can accomplish this I can remove the Cylinder blocks
> 
> then re-attack the pistons & liners, and finish the complete tear down.
> 
> 
> 
> Good news is I found a # 5 Bell housing for the engine that would 
> 
> allow coupling a genset up directly, BAD NEWS, its in Nottingham UK
> 
> I'm sure the post to get it here would be bloody expensive.
> 
> 
> 
> Back to finding another plan, I suppose.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Remember, "Rust Never Sleeps"
> 
> Franklin S. Skinner 
> Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Apr 30 13:13:43 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:13:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W16AAD0EC38097CB3E8F52B46C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090430201345.777224054E3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Frank, Are the 2 cyl.s  independent of each other or connected castings ?
Can you get at one of the rod caps to remove it? Do the Cyl.s unbolt from
the crank case? Does the cylinders have exhaust ports near the bottom ?
Thanks Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:35 PM
To: AA_OLD ENGINE
Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A


Jim;

 

Here is a link to have a look.

 

http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:34:05 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> 
> Frank, are thee any pictures of the engine or a similar one available?
> Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank
skinner
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:03 AM
> To: AA_OLD ENGINE
> Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> 
> 
> Well not a lot to report since my last post.
> 
> Pistons still VERY stuck, soaking in every thing you can think of.
> 
> { I havn't tried Scotch } gave it lotsa thought though ;-}
> 
> I'm awating a 5/8" BSF tap to make couplings for the head studs
> 
> to extend the length, then fit a 1" plate to accomidate a hydraulic
> 
> "Porta-Power" ram, to ease the piston down.
> 
> Once I can accomplish this I can remove the Cylinder blocks
> 
> then re-attack the pistons & liners, and finish the complete tear down.
> 
> 
> 
> Good news is I found a # 5 Bell housing for the engine that would 
> 
> allow coupling a genset up directly, BAD NEWS, its in Nottingham UK
> 
> I'm sure the post to get it here would be bloody expensive.
> 
> 
> 
> Back to finding another plan, I suppose.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Remember, "Rust Never Sleeps"
> 
> Franklin S. Skinner 
> Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Thu Apr 30 13:24:21 2009
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 06:24:21 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse diagonal cut cam gear
In-Reply-To: <20090430180239.F3415405521@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20090430180239.F3415405521@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <49FA08F5.4060401@rustic-engines.com>

Thanks Jim. I haven't heard back from Ken Christison, (hope he's OK), so 
I'll "Watch it".

Cheers,

Al Harris
Autumn Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Jim O'Hagan wrote:
> A while back some one was looking for parts for a little FM. I think they
> were in Au. or Nz. Anyway there is a parts engine on Ebay #300311578124 .
> Maybe the seller will part it out for you to keep the shipping costs down.
> Good luck! Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato Ca. 415 892 0236
>
>  
>
> Jim O'Hagan
>
>  
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>   


From marinesurveys at msn.com  Thu Apr 30 13:58:13 2009
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:58:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
In-Reply-To: <20090430201345.777224054E3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <COL106-W16AAD0EC38097CB3E8F52B46C0@phx.gbl>
	<20090430201345.777224054E3@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W12289F639CC2812C9C2DB2B46C0@phx.gbl>


Jim;

There are independent cylinders, & valve in head , heads, the cylinders have liners,

and unbolt from the block seperately, I cant get at the rod bolts properly until I 

get the # 2 piston down part way, then i can remove all the rod cap nuts.

Then I can remove the cylinders from the base , remove the liners, then the pistons.

At least, thats the plan.

 

                Regards

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:13:43 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> 
> Frank, Are the 2 cyl.s independent of each other or connected castings ?
> Can you get at one of the rod caps to remove it? Do the Cyl.s unbolt from
> the crank case? Does the cylinders have exhaust ports near the bottom ?
> Thanks Jimmy
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:35 PM
> To: AA_OLD ENGINE
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> 
> 
> Jim;
> 
> 
> 
> Here is a link to have a look.
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner
> 
> Franklin S. Skinner 
> Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:34:05 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> > 
> > Frank, are thee any pictures of the engine or a similar one available?
> > Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236
> > 
> > Jim O'Hagan
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank
> skinner
> > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:03 AM
> > To: AA_OLD ENGINE
> > Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> > Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> > 
> > 
> > Well not a lot to report since my last post.
> > 
> > Pistons still VERY stuck, soaking in every thing you can think of.
> > 
> > { I havn't tried Scotch } gave it lotsa thought though ;-}
> > 
> > I'm awating a 5/8" BSF tap to make couplings for the head studs
> > 
> > to extend the length, then fit a 1" plate to accomidate a hydraulic
> > 
> > "Porta-Power" ram, to ease the piston down.
> > 
> > Once I can accomplish this I can remove the Cylinder blocks
> > 
> > then re-attack the pistons & liners, and finish the complete tear down.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Good news is I found a # 5 Bell housing for the engine that would 
> > 
> > allow coupling a genset up directly, BAD NEWS, its in Nottingham UK
> > 
> > I'm sure the post to get it here would be bloody expensive.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Back to finding another plan, I suppose.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Remember, "Rust Never Sleeps"
> > 
> > Franklin S. Skinner 
> > Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Apr 30 14:37:34 2009
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:37:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W12289F639CC2812C9C2DB2B46C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090430213743.721BC405503@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Frank , please call me  415 892 0236. I might have a Plan "B" that has
ALWAYS worked for me. Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank skinner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:58 PM
To: AA_OLD ENGINE
Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A


Jim;

There are independent cylinders, & valve in head , heads, the cylinders have
liners,

and unbolt from the block seperately, I cant get at the rod bolts properly
until I 

get the # 2 piston down part way, then i can remove all the rod cap nuts.

Then I can remove the cylinders from the base , remove the liners, then the
pistons.

At least, thats the plan.

 

                Regards

        Franklin S. Skinner 
    Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470



 
> From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:13:43 -0700
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> 
> Frank, Are the 2 cyl.s independent of each other or connected castings ?
> Can you get at one of the rod caps to remove it? Do the Cyl.s unbolt from
> the crank case? Does the cylinders have exhaust ports near the bottom ?
> Thanks Jimmy
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank
skinner
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:35 PM
> To: AA_OLD ENGINE
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> 
> 
> Jim;
> 
> 
> 
> Here is a link to have a look.
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/fskinner
> 
> Franklin S. Skinner 
> Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: jdohagan at comcast.net
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:34:05 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> > 
> > Frank, are thee any pictures of the engine or a similar one available?
> > Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236
> > 
> > Jim O'Hagan
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of frank
> skinner
> > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:03 AM
> > To: AA_OLD ENGINE
> > Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> > Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Rstore, Progress Report 4-A
> > 
> > 
> > Well not a lot to report since my last post.
> > 
> > Pistons still VERY stuck, soaking in every thing you can think of.
> > 
> > { I havn't tried Scotch } gave it lotsa thought though ;-}
> > 
> > I'm awating a 5/8" BSF tap to make couplings for the head studs
> > 
> > to extend the length, then fit a 1" plate to accomidate a hydraulic
> > 
> > "Porta-Power" ram, to ease the piston down.
> > 
> > Once I can accomplish this I can remove the Cylinder blocks
> > 
> > then re-attack the pistons & liners, and finish the complete tear down.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Good news is I found a # 5 Bell housing for the engine that would 
> > 
> > allow coupling a genset up directly, BAD NEWS, its in Nottingham UK
> > 
> > I'm sure the post to get it here would be bloody expensive.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Back to finding another plan, I suppose.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Remember, "Rust Never Sleeps"
> > 
> > Franklin S. Skinner 
> > Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
> > 3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
> > 34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
> > PH 910-791-8870 Cell 910-612-7470
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu Apr 30 15:46:28 2009
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:46:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Penetrating Oils
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W19C893EBA768CF9E6D6685B46C0@phx.gbl>
References: <108432.68720.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<1752218E-EBBC-4A1D-AA89-F13A4C0ACDC1@rustyiron.com>
	<COL106-W19C893EBA768CF9E6D6685B46C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D304EBD6-AA59-45CC-BB76-0148F5BD1634@rustyiron.com>

The free kind.  Anyone with a lick of sense and five bucks in his  
pocket would go buy some chain lube from the store.

	
Rob Skinner
Antique Stationary Engines
La Habra, California

rob at rustyiron.com
www.rustyiron.com


On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:35 AM, frank skinner wrote:

>
> Rob;
>
> When you say "Gear Oil" what kind are you refering to ?
>



From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Apr 30 15:47:20 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (edurand at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:47:20 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
In-Reply-To: <62b7595dbc79214dce429cb363f0f72a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIENCIBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<62b7595dbc79214dce429cb363f0f72a.squirrel@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <043020092247.27265.49FA2A78000BC5F000006A81223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF0B020E9D9A0B0A@mchsi.com>

Arnie:

This happened almost 50 years ago and I didn't have my camera handy.  At the time, we just thought it was interesting the way it turned out.  Had I known you'd want to see the Kodaks, I woulda took some.

Take care - Elden
-------------- Original message from "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>: -------------- 


> Hmmmm, sounds pretty fantastical. I don't imagine that there are any pictures? 
> 
> See ya, Arnie 
> 
> On Fri, April 24, 2009 9:52 am, Elden DuRand wrote: 
> > 
> > A long time ago I tried the gunpowder trick once with limited success. 
> > > The whole thing was an experiment. I had to get rid of about a quarter pound 
> of > black powder and the engine was a locked-up GMC 235 engine that was headed for 
> the 
> > scrap heap. 
> > > Actually, what happened is that the piston was driven down hard enough to 
> compress > the rod, break the crankshaft and blow the oil pan partly off. I think, had 
> the > engine been salvageable, it would have been better to use more conventional 
> methods. 
> 
> 
> 
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Apr 30 15:51:11 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (edurand at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:51:11 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
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Frank:

I forgot to add that I once had a steam driven camcorder but the headwheel packing began leaking and steamed up the monitor so I junked it.

Take care - Elden
-------------- Original message from frank skinner <marinesurveys at msn.com>: -------------- 


> 
> Arnie; 
> 
> I have a kerosene vid camera ;-} 
> 
> Franklin S. Skinner 


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Apr 30 16:43:41 2009
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:43:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
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Well, duh...  Re-do!!  8-))

On Thu, April 30, 2009 6:47 pm, edurand at mchsi.com wrote:
> Arnie:
>
> This happened almost 50 years ago and I didn't have my camera handy.  At the time,
> we just thought it was interesting the way it turned out.  Had I known you'd want to
> see the Kodaks, I woulda took some.
>
> Take care - Elden
> -------------- Original message from "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>:
> --------------
>
>
>> Hmmmm, sounds pretty fantastical. I don't imagine that there are any pictures?
>>
>> See ya, Arnie
>>
>> On Fri, April 24, 2009 9:52 am, Elden DuRand wrote:
>> >
>> > A long time ago I tried the gunpowder trick once with limited success.
>> > > The whole thing was an experiment. I had to get rid of about a quarter pound
>> of > black powder and the engine was a locked-up GMC 235 engine that was headed
>> for
>> the
>> > scrap heap.
>> > > Actually, what happened is that the piston was driven down hard enough to
>> compress > the rod, break the crankshaft and blow the oil pan partly off. I think,
>> had
>> the > engine been salvageable, it would have been better to use more conventional
>> methods.





From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Apr 30 17:28:30 2009
From: edurand at mchsi.com (edurand at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 00:28:30 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Petter AV2-M Restore, progress report No. 3
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Arnie:

Okey dokey!  Just get a 235 Jimmie engine, a quarter pound of black powder and some fuse and give me a call.    :-)

Take care - (a slightly older and wiser) Elden
-------------- Original message from "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>: -------------- 


> Well, duh... Re-do!! 8-)) 
> 
> On Thu, April 30, 2009 6:47 pm, edurand at mchsi.com wrote: 
> > Arnie: 
> > > This happened almost 50 years ago and I didn't have my camera handy. At the 
> time, > we just thought it was interesting the way it turned out. Had I known you'd 
> want to 
> > see the Kodaks, I woulda took some. 
> > 
> > Take care - Elden 
> > -------------- Original message from "Arnie Fero" : 
> > -------------- 
> > 
> > >> Hmmmm, sounds pretty fantastical. I don't imagine that there are any 
> pictures? 
> >> 
> >> See ya, Arnie 
> >> 
> >> On Fri, April 24, 2009 9:52 am, Elden DuRand wrote: 
> >> > 
> >> > A long time ago I tried the gunpowder trick once with limited success. >> > > The whole thing was an experiment. I had to get rid of about a quarter 
> pound >> of > black powder and the engine was a locked-up GMC 235 engine that was 
> headed 
> >> for 
> >> the 
> >> > scrap heap. 
> >> > > Actually, what happened is that the piston was driven down hard enough to 
> >> compress > the rod, break the crankshaft and blow the oil pan partly off. I 
> think, 
> >> had 
> >> the > engine been salvageable, it would have been better to use more 
> conventional 
> >> methods. 
> 
> 
> 
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Apr 30 21:37:13 2009
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:37:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Quick shades
Message-ID: <20090430.213714.760.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks to all who replied to my question about display shades.  I have
used a 8' x 10' silver tarp on emt.  Too many pieces and too long to put
up and take down.  I will probably get a E Z up.  There is a factory
store close to me.  I will go and check them out.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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