From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Sep 1 21:56:50 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:56:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Steve Barr's address Message-ID: <002001c90cb8$4f952520$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi all and Steve if your here. Is this Steve's current address? stevebarr at ameritech.net Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 00:01:44 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:01:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Steve Barr's address In-Reply-To: <002001c90cb8$4f952520$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <002001c90cb8$4f952520$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <6f6025160809020001j578c5cfes6509b91a2b752796@mail.gmail.com> On 02/09/2008, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all and Steve if your here. > > Is this Steve's current address? > stevebarr at ameritech.net > > > Regards > Peter Lowe That is the one we have for Steve on our Gmail address book, Pete. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Sep 2 05:09:35 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:09:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Huricane Gustav In-Reply-To: <8D841A30-0CC6-43E5-AB82-E0EE6A9D9B2F@rustyiron.com> References: <20080831022213.NSFKI.692035.root@mp13> <4367C037-78EA-46E6-AB7C-4A749AC267AA@rustyiron.com> <8D841A30-0CC6-43E5-AB82-E0EE6A9D9B2F@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <48BD2CFF.5080605@steamengine.com.au> Dude? Could it be that Rob has finally said something Californian? Hehehe Rob Skinner wrote: > Dude... that's pretty funny. > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Sep 2 13:06:55 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:06:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Great Dorset Steam Fair Message-ID: <003b01c90d37$74027410$742d0556@intrepid> This is the largest UK vintage show. Mostly steam but covering everything else. Martin Perman has posted the excellent pictures he took this year to the UK Engine group. He has given me permission to post them to these groups. See http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/campingstoveman/GreatDorsetSteamFair2008 Enjoy!! Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 2 16:12:57 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:12:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oh gads Message-ID: <00a001c90d51$70a2cf80$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Has someone run off with lizzie's flywheel(s)? http://lh4.ggpht.com/__gO1Ka6SEds/Rme23zkFeJI/AAAAAAAAAbM/VXq-Yxp3tZE/Big+Lizzie+at+Red+Cliffs.JPG Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From bethell at internode.on.net Tue Sep 2 16:42:43 2008 From: bethell at internode.on.net (Jim&Geraldine Bethell) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:42:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Oh gads In-Reply-To: <00a001c90d51$70a2cf80$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <00a001c90d51$70a2cf80$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <93C155C4AD444EF9B238D6655346528B@bethelllaptop> Chuck, The answer is yes and no! This is not the original engine in Lizzie, it went years earlier when it was left at Glendinning in Victoria's western district . The replacement is a smaller one, there is talk of getting Lizzie fully restored to working order but a big job. In recent years the second trailer has been located and returned to Red Cliffs for restoration. regards Jim Jim & Geraldine Bethell 12 Fush Place Mildura Victoria 3500 03-50213414 0427-213414 http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 9:12 AM Subject: [SEL] Oh gads > Has someone run off with lizzie's flywheel(s)? > http://lh4.ggpht.com/__gO1Ka6SEds/Rme23zkFeJI/AAAAAAAAAbM/VXq-Yxp3tZE/Big+Lizzie+at+Red+Cliffs.JPG > > Chuck Balyeat > http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Sep 3 07:51:00 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:51:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oh gads In-Reply-To: <00a001c90d51$70a2cf80$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: Chuck: Now THAT's a REAL butt-buggy! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Chuck > Balyeat > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 06:13 PM > To: SEL > Subject: [SEL] Oh gads > > > Has someone run off with lizzie's flywheel(s)? > > http://lh4.ggpht.com/__gO1Ka6SEds/Rme23zkFeJI/AAAA > AAAAAbM/VXq-Yxp3tZE/Big+Lizzie+at+Red+Cliffs.JPG > > Chuck Balyeat From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Sep 3 09:06:35 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:06:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] First solid-injection Diesel (U.S. and Europe) Message-ID: Gang: Frank and I are doing some research and need to find out who was the first person/company to develop a production solid-injection Diesel engine. We know that Rudolph Diesel, late in his career, tried to sell the idea in the early 20th Century but it appears no one was interested so he dropped the idea and stuck with air blast system. If anyone could suggest a book that is in print that would enlighten us, we'd appreciate the information. If it's NOT in print, we could try to find a copy. Anybody got any leads? Also, I'm looking for specifications on Bronz (Hvid) engines with the intention of scaling down the dimensions to make a generic large scale model of one. Thanks! Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 3 08:32:56 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:32:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] First solid-injection Diesel (U.S. and Europe) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1A50F075-D9B6-4D5F-B00E-35B3EFD1A94F@alltel.net> According to his website it was ALGORE. (See: save the planet_and make me rich at the same time.com) Dave On Sep 3, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Elden DuRand wrote: > Gang: > > Frank and I are doing some research and need to find out who was the > first person/company to develop a production solid-injection Diesel > engine. We know that Rudolph Diesel, late in his career, tried to > sell the idea in the early 20th Century but it appears no one was > interested so he dropped the idea and stuck with air blast system. > > If anyone could suggest a book that is in print that would enlighten > us, we'd appreciate the information. If it's NOT in print, we could > try to find a copy. Anybody got any leads? > > Also, I'm looking for specifications on Bronz (Hvid) engines with > the intention of scaling down the dimensions to make a generic large > scale model of one. > > Thanks! > > Take care - Elden > edurand at mchsi.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 3 08:23:52 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:23:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oh gads References: <00a001c90d51$70a2cf80$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <93C155C4AD444EF9B238D6655346528B@bethelllaptop> Message-ID: <001001c90dd9$134baa40$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Chuck, > The answer is yes and no! This is not the original engine in Lizzie, it > went > years earlier when it was left at Glendinning in Victoria's western > district > . The replacement is a smaller one, there is talk of getting Lizzie fully > restored to working order but a big job. In recent years the second > trailer > has been located and returned to Red Cliffs for restoration. > regards > Jim >>>> Thanks that's good news , sorta . I was gonna say that it looks barely kneehigh , but then ,what do I know about oil engines ? Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 3 09:11:42 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:11:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oh gads References: Message-ID: <003f01c90ddf$c1722080$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Now THAT's a REAL butt-buggy! > > Take care - Elden /////////////// Did it occur to you that the Hoyt Clagwell might be in need of a set of dreadnoughts ? Chuck From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Sep 3 09:47:24 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:47:24 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Buckley & Portland Videos and Pictures In-Reply-To: <6f6025160808311307k6ed562e0nc9c63fd1cf8e0fb0@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160808271322r306ffe1cl67ffcee30a9a6e1@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808281857o1549c95fxd9f3436532479b0c@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808311307k6ed562e0nc9c63fd1cf8e0fb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter, I'm making my way through the movies. Very nice job! It looks like Buckley has added several things since I've been there. There is a bad link on movie #54 on page #2. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA > Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:07:38 +0100> From: listerdiesel at gmail.com> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Subject: Re: [SEL] Buckley & Portland Videos and Pictures> > On 29/08/2008, Listerdiesel wrote:> > All the videos are completed editing and are being uploaded to> oldengine.org and stationary-engine.co.uk:> > [url]http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland08/Portland08VideoMenu.htm[/url]> or at:> [url]http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08VideoMenu.htm[/url]> > There are 146 separate videos, everything we shot in the 2 weeks we> were over there.> > Pictures, starting with Portland:> > [url]http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland08/Portland08Menu1.htm[/url]> or at:> [url]http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08Menu1.htm[/url]> > There are 3 pages of 24 pictures ready, with a LOT more to come. We> did the videos first this year so now we can start on the 600+> pictures.> > Let me know if you have any connection or viewing problems please.> > Peter> -- > Peter A Forbes> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel> http://stationary-engine.co.uk> http://www.oldengine.co.uk> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Sep 3 12:09:48 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:09:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] First solid-injection Diesel (U.S. and Europe) In-Reply-To: <1A50F075-D9B6-4D5F-B00E-35B3EFD1A94F@alltel.net> Message-ID: Dave: Algore has never been helpful to me in the past so I don't figure he'll change that by being the inventor of the solid-injection Diesel as well as the internet! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:33 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] First solid-injection Diesel > (U.S. and Europe) > > > According to his website it was ALGORE. (See: > save the planet_and make > me rich at the same time.com) > Dave From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Sep 3 12:15:29 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:15:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oh gads In-Reply-To: <003f01c90ddf$c1722080$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: Hmmmm! I can just imagine the sound........."Chug!, flappety, Chug!, flappety, Chug!, flappety, Chug!.......". Anybody got detail photos of the shoes on that puppy?? Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Chuck > Balyeat > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:12 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Oh gads > > > > Now THAT's a REAL butt-buggy! > > > > Take care - Elden > /////////////// > > Did it occur to you that the Hoyt Clagwell > might be in need of a set of dreadnoughts ? > > > Chuck > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 11:23:00 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:23:00 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Buckley & Portland Videos and Picture In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160808271322r306ffe1cl67ffcee30a9a6e1@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808281857o1549c95fxd9f3436532479b0c@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808311307k6ed562e0nc9c63fd1cf8e0fb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160809031123h2b55d59bw4df96ca840a0d6ad@mail.gmail.com> On 03/09/2008, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > Peter, > > > I'm making my way through the movies. Very nice job! It looks like Buckley > has added several things since I've been there. There is a bad link on movie > #54 on page #2. > Luke Tonneberger Sorry about that, Luke, should be fixed now on both servers. Thanks for the alert! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 11:28:31 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:28:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] First solid-injection Diesel (U.S. and Europe) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160809031128u6fd5b4r6912e9a4201c932c@mail.gmail.com> On 03/09/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: > Gang: > > Frank and I are doing some research and need to find out who was the first > person/company to develop a production solid-injection Diesel engine. We > know that Rudolph Diesel, late in his career, tried to sell the idea in the > early 20th Century but it appears no one was interested so he dropped the > idea and stuck with air blast system. > > If anyone could suggest a book that is in print that would enlighten us, > we'd appreciate the information. If it's NOT in print, we could try to find > a copy. Anybody got any leads? > > Also, I'm looking for specifications on Bronz (Hvid) engines with the > intention of scaling down the dimensions to make a generic large scale model > of one. > > Thanks! > > Take care - Elden It depends a lot on which country. I believe that Mirrlees Bickerton & Day made the first in the UK and 3rd in total, a look at Lyle Cummins' books, "Internal Fire" and "Diesel's Engine" would probably elicit more information. I have both books here, but I am right in the thick of updating the websites with the Portland pictures etc and don't want to break away at the moment. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From paul at internalfire.com Wed Sep 3 12:19:39 2008 From: paul at internalfire.com (Paul Evans) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:19:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] First solid-injection Diesel (U.S. and Europe) Message-ID: <48BEE34B.9070402@internalfire.com> Listerdiesel wrote: > It depends a lot on which country. I believe that Mirrlees Bickerton & > Day made the first in the UK and 3rd in total, > That was blast injection not solid. Goldingham refers to a solid injection engine running in the UK in 1912 but the earliest production engine I know of is the 1917 Vickers marine engine with common rail. We have hundreds of books from the period through to post-war but none of them agree on anything :-) I believe the first full production solid injection in the US was the 1919 Worthington two-cycle but am sure someone will know better! Paul -- Internal Fire Museum of Power Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS http://www.internalfire.com -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1527 - Release Date: 6/30/2008 18:07 From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Sep 3 13:30:05 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:30:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] First solid-injection Diesel (U.S. and Europe) In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809031128u6fd5b4r6912e9a4201c932c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter: I've got three of Lyle's books, the one about Rudolph, the one about his Dad and "Internal Fire" but can't find the one about Clessie (his Dad). I've either loaned it out or have misplaced it in the move from KY to Florida. I looked in his Rudolph Diesel book and the only reference I can find to solid injection is a short paragraph about his aborted attempt to promote the idea. Thanks for your efforts! ......Now go and have some fun. Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 01:29 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] First solid-injection Diesel > (U.S. and Europe) > > > On 03/09/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: > > Gang: > > > > Frank and I are doing some research and need to > find out who was the first > > person/company to develop a production > solid-injection Diesel engine. We > > know that Rudolph Diesel, late in his career, > tried to sell the idea in the > > early 20th Century but it appears no one was > interested so he dropped the > > idea and stuck with air blast system. > > > > If anyone could suggest a book that is in print > that would enlighten us, > > we'd appreciate the information. If it's NOT > in print, we could try to find > > a copy. Anybody got any leads? > > > > Also, I'm looking for specifications on Bronz > (Hvid) engines with the > > intention of scaling down the dimensions to > make a generic large scale model > > of one. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Take care - Elden > > It depends a lot on which country. I believe that > Mirrlees Bickerton & > Day made the first in the UK and 3rd in total, a > look at Lyle Cummins' > books, "Internal Fire" and "Diesel's Engine" > would probably elicit > more information. > > I have both books here, but I am right in the > thick of updating the > websites with the Portland pictures etc and don't > want to break away > at the moment. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Sep 3 13:32:01 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:32:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] First solid-injection Diesel (U.S. and Europe) In-Reply-To: <48BEE34B.9070402@internalfire.com> Message-ID: Paul: Thanks for the information. I think it's safe to say that solid injection came into commercial use sometime around WWI. Was Cummins seminal in solid injection engines in the U.S.? Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Paul Evans > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 02:20 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] First solid-injection Diesel > (U.S. and Europe) > > > Listerdiesel wrote: > > It depends a lot on which country. I believe > that Mirrlees Bickerton & > > Day made the first in the UK and 3rd in total, > > > That was blast injection not solid. > > Goldingham refers to a solid injection engine > running in the UK in 1912 > but the earliest production engine I know of is > the 1917 Vickers marine > engine with common rail. We have hundreds of > books from the period > through to post-war but none of them agree on anything :-) > > I believe the first full production solid > injection in the US was the > 1919 Worthington two-cycle but am sure someone > will know better! > > Paul > > -- > > Internal Fire Museum of Power > > Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS > > http://www.internalfire.com > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1527 - > Release Date: 6/30/2008 18:07 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 3 13:55:44 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:55:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oh gads References: Message-ID: <00ac01c90e07$70450060$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Anybody got detail photos of the shoes on that puppy?? > > Plenty on google looks like they do flop down like the ass end of your house slippers each with a pair of cables keeping them on . c From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Sep 3 15:41:47 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:41:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oh gads In-Reply-To: <00ac01c90e07$70450060$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: Thankee kindly! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Chuck > Balyeat > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 03:56 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Oh gads > > > > > > Anybody got detail photos of the shoes on that puppy?? > > > > > Plenty on google looks like they do flop down > like the ass end of your house > slippers > each with a pair of cables keeping them on . From kosh at ncweb.com Wed Sep 3 15:11:48 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:11:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oh gads - Big Lizzie In-Reply-To: <00ac01c90e07$70450060$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20080903180550.02e8a960@ncweb.com> The loose shoe wheel design was used extensively on field artillery in WW-I. It was just an early approach to tracklaying, that was superseded by the caterpillar track (which was not invented by either Holt or Best). In fact, for limited distances at low speeds, it may have been easier to build than caterpillar tracks, which have the potential for track pin wear that tripped up the initial crawlers. Dave Merchant At 04:55 PM 9/3/2008, you wrote: > > Anybody got detail photos of the shoes on that puppy?? > > > > >Plenty on google looks like they do flop down like the ass end of your house >slippers >each with a pair of cables keeping them on . > > >c > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Sep 3 16:14:10 2008 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:14:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A web site for everything. Message-ID: <20080903232006.BFEFF585BD@gw1.nlenet.net> A couple of years ago I got to thinking that I would like to cook my own food at engine shows. I didn't have a hopper, but I did have 120 VAC from my Kohler Light Plant. A look around Ebay turned up a small table top Broiler (Heats from the top) I bought it for $12.50 and found that apparently it was one of those small appliance wedding presents that was never used. Every show people seem to get a kick out of seeing it in use and the light plant purring away to cook my steak dinner. A few have asked how old it was so I looked around the Internet one night and found another for sale, this one with a brochure that gave the name. Robot Broiler by Farberware. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200179813912 One more google search and I find that it is 1938 or so and people collect them! A couple of email later and mine is on the web. http://www.jitterbuzz.com/waftrip.html (Near the bottom) Oh, I also found out that one of the light fixtures I show is worth more then the generator. Who Knew. Frank +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Sep 3 17:56:27 2008 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:56:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A web site for everything. Message-ID: <20080904010006.850995864B@gw1.nlenet.net> Airstream 280261868979 Frank +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From rdi at rochester.rr.com Wed Sep 3 19:15:07 2008 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:15:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Great Dorset Steam Fair Message-ID: <000501c90e34$0d804c50$0201a8c0@marlin> Dave Croft writes: >See http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/campingstoveman/GreatDorsetSteamFair2008 Holy COW, some guy brought his LOCOMOTIVE on a flatbed to the show??? Wow! http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/campingstoveman/GreatDorsetSteamFair2008#5241372731924550258 Thanks for the link! -Rick I. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Sep 4 00:59:26 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:59:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Great Dorset Steam Fair References: <000501c90e34$0d804c50$0201a8c0@marlin> Message-ID: <000801c90e64$2818eb50$742d0556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick I." To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Great Dorset Steam Fair > Dave Croft writes: >>See http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/campingstoveman/GreatDorsetSteamFair2008 > > Holy COW, some guy brought his LOCOMOTIVE on a flatbed to the show??? Wow! > http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/campingstoveman/GreatDorsetSteamFair2008#5241372731924550258 > Thanks for the link! > -Rick I. There are better pictures of the loco further on, Rick. Also many other large loads, see the US tank transporter. If you would like to see the show & hear the famous Doctor Buster on U Tube see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd_HhyP6ljI&feature=related There are many UTube videos of this and other shows. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 4 09:22:46 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:22:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Great Dorset Steam Fair References: <000501c90e34$0d804c50$0201a8c0@marlin> <000801c90e64$2818eb50$742d0556@intrepid> Message-ID: <008b01c90eaa$78988360$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> & hear the famous Doctor Buster > on U Tube see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd_HhyP6ljI&feature=related > There are many UTube videos of this and other shows. > >>>> That was worth this month's IP fees . The Safety Officer's on the site Par Le Vous. The Safety Officer's on the site Par Le Vous. The Safety Officer's on the site , waving his arms and talking shitte inky dinky par les vous . Orange netting round the ring Par Le Vous. Orange netting round the ring Par Le Vous. Orange netting round the ring , no way out and no way een inky dinky par les vous . Chuck From Frank at lbpinc.com Thu Sep 4 10:38:12 2008 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:38:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> You may want to go out and buy some Vice Grips NOW Vise-Grip plant moving to China http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26531610/ Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com From gastzt at aol.com Thu Sep 4 11:28:30 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:28:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: VICE GRIPS---- THAT is very SAD to hear! WHAT next???? Stan Pleasanton, Tx **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Sep 4 11:44:50 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:44:50 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] Oh gads In-Reply-To: <00ac01c90e07$70450060$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <00ac01c90e07$70450060$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <62131.168.215.206.73.1220553890.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Chuck, I've been so busy lately I've been deleting whole sections of the lists and have been missing a lot. Can't find the original post on this, but is this Tin Lizzy in OZ that is being discussed? You asked about a couple of close up photos. I had my buddy at NASA reorient one of the satellites for a moment and take a few photos :-) Not the best photos but maybe they will help. I can't get Irfanview to create a thumbnail page without going fubar at the moment so I'm just posting the links: and then ....74, 75, 76, thru 86 14 total photos. A few closeups of the wheels. Curt > > >> Anybody got detail photos of the shoes on that puppy?? >> >> > Plenty on google looks like they do flop down like the ass end of your > house > slippers > each with a pair of cables keeping them on . > > > c > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 4 11:50:28 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:50:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <000a01c90ebf$1a1ab4b0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Vise-Grip plant moving to China > Those bastards from Irwin .... They bought the name a few years ago and started "fixing " it . I have refused to use their new part numbers going on a couple years now . A 10CR is a 10 CR , the whole world over . And that's what I ask for From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Thu Sep 4 14:04:09 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:04:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> For what good it will do, I sent a scathing email to Irwin Tools and also a Thank you note to Channellock, for continuing to manufacture their products in Meadville, PA. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank DeWitt" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:38 PM Subject: [SEL] (no subject) > You may want to go out and buy some Vice Grips NOW > > > Vise-Grip plant moving to China > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26531610/ > > Frank DeWitt > > Light plant WEB page > http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank > Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com > LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 > 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 > Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Sep 4 15:23:57 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:23:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally In-Reply-To: <000c01c90edb$f1a0e550$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <000c01c90edb$f1a0e550$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <487314AD962846FCA9F6C5486E56AC1E@PML> I am just about to finish tarping up the engine ready to travel. Trust me to decide to bring the one engine that is not weatherproof! I should be on the road north in an hour or so :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Friday, 5 September 2008 8:17 AM To: Oldengine.org; ATIS Subject: Rusty Iron Rally Hi all Well, I hope it fines up for tomorrow for the Rusty Iron Rally at Macksville !! It had poured rain all night here and forecast for Macksville Friday is strong winds and heavy rain. Saturday forecast is cloudy with some showers, fingers crossed. Peter, Oz To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Sep 4 15:16:56 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:16:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Message-ID: <000c01c90edb$f1a0e550$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi all Well, I hope it fines up for tomorrow for the Rusty Iron Rally at Macksville !! It had poured rain all night here and forecast for Macksville Friday is strong winds and heavy rain. Saturday forecast is cloudy with some showers, fingers crossed. Peter, Oz From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Sep 4 14:21:51 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:21:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080904172121.0303b4f0@pop3.wcoil.com> Why? To help them finance the move to China! Mark At 01:38 PM 9/4/08, you wrote: >You may want to go out and buy some Vice Grips NOW > > >Vise-Grip plant moving to China > > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26531610/ > > Frank DeWitt > > Light plant WEB page >http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank > Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com > LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 > 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 > Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Sep 4 15:40:37 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 08:40:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Oh gads In-Reply-To: <62131.168.215.206.73.1220553890.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com > References: <00ac01c90e07$70450060$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <62131.168.215.206.73.1220553890.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080905083559.02365108@ncable.com.au> Not that I have spare time to driver over there at present but this machine is only 15 minutes away from home in a town called Red Cliffs. Maybe Jim Bethell (Jims Iron) could get some good close ups. Let us know how much you want to see of it. The engine in the Lizzi from memory is a 9hp Blackstone??(not 100% sure). It is not the original engine; I don't recall what it was. Maybe Curts may have some notes on it from when he and Missy were here on holidays? BTW: the flywheel is still on it. Russell At 04:44 AM 5/09/2008, you wrote: >Chuck, >I've been so busy lately I've been deleting whole sections of the lists >and have been missing a lot. Can't find the original post on this, but is >this Tin Lizzy in OZ that is being discussed? You asked about a couple of >close up photos. >I had my buddy at NASA reorient one of the satellites for a moment and >take a few photos :-) Not the best photos but maybe they will help. >I can't get Irfanview to create a thumbnail page without going fubar at >the moment so I'm just posting the links: > > >and then ....74, 75, 76, thru 86 > > > >14 total photos. A few closeups of the wheels. > >Curt > > > > > > > >> Anybody got detail photos of the shoes on that puppy?? > >> > >> > > Plenty on google looks like they do flop down like the ass end of your > > house > > slippers > > each with a pair of cables keeping them on . > > > > > > c > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 5 08:16:36 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:16:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oh gads References: <00ac01c90e07$70450060$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><62131.168.215.206.73.1220553890.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20080905083559.02365108@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <001001c90f6a$63cd51c0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Not that I have spare time to driver over there at present but this > machine is only 15 minutes away from home in a town called Red > Cliffs. Maybe Jim Bethell (Jims Iron) could get some good close ups. > Let us know how much you want to see of it. The engine in the Lizzi > from memory is a 9hp Blackstone??(not 100% sure). It is not the > original engine; I don't recall what it was. Maybe Curts may have > some notes on it from when he and Missy were here on holidays? BTW: > the flywheel is still on it. > Russell>>> First off chuck aint building no butt buggies , and Elden has probably seen enough to get the idea . So dont tool around burning petrol on my account . BUT there dont appear to be any decent close ups of the dreadnoughts on the internet , and that's just shameful. :-) And secondly , it was supposed to have had a 60HP Blackstone in it . The white one in it dont look too awful big Here is a better shot of the trailer load of steam engines . http://mview.museum.vic.gov.au/paimages/mm/004/PA004937.JPG No matter where , SEL is there . c From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Sep 5 08:38:13 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:38:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> <00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <679F5F61-5709-4434-80C1-787920AB370D@rustyiron.com> On Sep 4, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Tod Engine Foundation wrote: > For what good it will do, I sent a scathing email to Irwin Tools Why, Rick? An employee-employer relationship is one of mutual benefit. If the relationship ceases to be beneficial, either party has the right to sever the relationship. What was your first job? Maybe a floor sweeper in a shop, or a hamburger flipper? After you performed at the job for six months or a year, you became smarter and found yourself a better job. Should you have been indebted to your former employer? Should you have been forced to continue sweeping floors, like an indentured servant? The fact is, the relationship was no longer beneficial for you, so you severed it. If, by your own laziness or personal limitations, you were unable to improve yourself and get a better job, should your former employer have been forced to continue paying you to sweep floors until you reached the age of retirement? The answer is "NO!," because this isn't France, this isn't Germany. This is the United States of America, where we all have the freedom to enter into the business relationships that we choose. Opportunities abound for those who are willing to are willing to seize them. For those who are not, mediocrity awaits. From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Sep 5 09:51:35 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:51:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gamtra In-Reply-To: <6f6025160808311307k6ed562e0nc9c63fd1cf8e0fb0@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160808271322r306ffe1cl67ffcee30a9a6e1@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808281857o1549c95fxd9f3436532479b0c@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808311307k6ed562e0nc9c63fd1cf8e0fb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Can someone please give me the dates fot the GAMTRA show in Dallas, N.C. this year. It's not on their website, Thanks Steve> _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 5 11:15:22 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:15:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <679F5F61-5709-4434-80C1-787920AB370D@rustyiron.com> References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> <00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <679F5F61-5709-4434-80C1-787920AB370D@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <4D1A8691-F455-494D-A3E5-D192D20912BA@alltel.net> >> For what good it will do, I sent a scathing email to Irwin Tools > > > Why, Rick? > If, by your own laziness or personal limitations, you were unable to > improve yourself and get a better job, should your former employer > have been forced to continue paying you to sweep floors until you > reached the age of retirement? > > The answer is "NO!," because this isn't France, this isn't Germany. > This is the United States of America, where we all have the freedom to > enter into the business relationships that we choose. Right on Rob! Dave PS, Buy Chinese rubbers--we need to increase the US population! From enginepaul at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 11:10:52 2008 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:10:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <679F5F61-5709-4434-80C1-787920AB370D@rustyiron.com> References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> <00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <679F5F61-5709-4434-80C1-787920AB370D@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0809051110x25b747dftc2376072a6dffc4@mail.gmail.com> Not exactly: "This is the United States of America, where we all have the freedom to enter into the business relationships that we choose." In San Francisco, if a landlord wants to go out of the rental business, he has to pay the tenants to leave. Socialism is creeping in. Businesses have other employee restrictions. Paul in SanFran From curt at rustyiron.com Fri Sep 5 11:55:15 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:55:15 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] Gamtra In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160808271322r306ffe1cl67ffcee30a9a6e1@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808281857o1549c95fxd9f3436532479b0c@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808311307k6ed562e0nc9c63fd1cf8e0fb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <62259.168.215.206.73.1220640915.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Oct 10, 11 ,12. My bad, I'll get it updated. Thanks, Curt H > > Can someone please give me the dates fot the GAMTRA show in Dallas, N.C. > this year. It's not on their website, Thanks Steve> > _________________________________________________________________ > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at rustyiron.com Fri Sep 5 12:19:30 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] Gamtra In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160808271322r306ffe1cl67ffcee30a9a6e1@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808281857o1549c95fxd9f3436532479b0c@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808311307k6ed562e0nc9c63fd1cf8e0fb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <62138.168.215.206.73.1220642370.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Steve, Web site updated w/ this year's show information. Thanks, Curt > > Can someone please give me the dates fot the GAMTRA show in Dallas, N.C. > this year. It's not on their website, Thanks Steve> > _________________________________________________________________ > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From oldiron62 at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 17:45:17 2008 From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:45:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) was now china References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> <00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <002601c90fb9$df8bd760$6501a8c0@FAMILYROOM> I am trying to finance there move to china, went and slipped 20 pairs (US made) of the welding clamp jobs into a sack of seed wheat at the farm store last week. So that should get them well on their way to moving out china bound, LOL ironman PS that bag of cover crop seed was a good buy :<) $12.00 and the vice grips enhanced the bargin a good bit. Oh I see that Crescent has sold out to the chinese bastards also. They go good in loose nails also, only .99 cents a pound ! And damnned it the nails were made in china also. Wiss snips claim to be made here still. How can we stop these companies from leaving ? Only thing I can think of is put a high import tax on everything being shipped in from these slopeheads. if it costs 20 bucks then the import tax needs to be $20 a pair or dont unload them. Send a few ships back and maybe the lazy US people will change their minds about sending all these dies out of USA. When their gone they are gone, like the tool and die men. How many tool a die makers do you know of ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine Foundation" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > For what good it will do, I sent a scathing email to Irwin Tools and also > a > Thank you note to Channellock, for continuing to manufacture their > products > in Meadville, PA. > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank DeWitt" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:38 PM > Subject: [SEL] (no subject) > > >> You may want to go out and buy some Vice Grips NOW >> >> >> Vise-Grip plant moving to China >> >> >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26531610/ >> >> Frank DeWitt >> >> Light plant WEB page >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank >> Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com >> LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 >> 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 >> Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Sep 5 17:50:50 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:50:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gamtra In-Reply-To: <62138.168.215.206.73.1220642370.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <6f6025160808271322r306ffe1cl67ffcee30a9a6e1@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808281857o1549c95fxd9f3436532479b0c@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808311307k6ed562e0nc9c63fd1cf8e0fb0@mail.gmail.com> <62138.168.215.206.73.1220642370.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Thanks Curt, I sure didn't want to miss a great show! > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:19:30 -0600> From: curt at rustyiron.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gamtra> > Steve,> Web site updated w/ this year's show information. Thanks, Curt> > > > > >> > Can someone please give me the dates fot the GAMTRA show in Dallas, N.C.> > this year. It's not on their website, Thanks Steve>> > _________________________________________________________________> > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live.> > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> >> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 5 14:28:49 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:28:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net><00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <679F5F61-5709-4434-80C1-787920AB370D@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <004301c90f9e$63832bc0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I'll let ya know how much they were able to drop their prices . Bet ya a hole in an oiler gasket they dont . > This is the United States of America, where we all have the freedom to > enter into the business relationships that we choose. From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Sep 5 21:55:59 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:55:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Maytag Washer for sale in Minnesota In-Reply-To: <000a01c90ebf$1a1ab4b0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> <000a01c90ebf$1a1ab4b0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080906005137.033b4bc0@pop3.wcoil.com> Any body have a use for a old Maytag Wringer washer in St. Paul, MN Contact this lady, "JoAnn Ronning" She has one to sell. She is not on any of the lists. Just contacted me thru the club looking to find a home for her washer. Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 6 06:10:42 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 23:10:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally 2008 report Message-ID: <000301c91021$f9eb4380$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi all Well, I spent the day at Macksville at the Rusty Iron Rally and YES I was flamed for not taking an engine, that's life.!! ;-)) It poured rain yesterday, Friday, and today, Saturday, was fine but the place was a bog. Numbers were down but may pickup tomorrow if it stays fine. A good turnout of tractors, 2 nice steam traction engines, stationary steam also, vintage cars and bikes and engines. The track into the car park had been chewed up by trucks and 4x4's and getting my lowered V8 out was a struggle, the front spoiler acted like a grader blade and when I got home the was 4Kgs of mud stuck there. Met up with Patrick, Ron, Liz, Cam & Edd and did not see Al and his son Glen. I think Brad is going Sunday. It was still a good day and I bought a few tools seeing Sunday is Father's Day here in Oz. I am uploading images from today but it will take about an hour, there are 158 photos I will show next year, I promise ;-)) Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 6 06:26:59 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 08:26:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) was now china References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net><00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <002601c90fb9$df8bd760$6501a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <006601c91024$3e12b410$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > I am trying to finance there move to china, went and slipped 20 pairs (US > made) of the welding clamp jobs into a sack of seed wheat at the farm > store > last week. So that should get them well on their way to moving out china > bound, LOL> ironman > PS that bag of cover crop seed was a good buy :<) $12.00 and the vice > grips > enhanced the bargin a good bit. Oh I see that Crescent has sold out to the > chinese bastards also. They go good in loose nails also, only .99 cents a > pound ! And at current margins how many will the feed store have to sell to merely break even and still cover the ones you ripped off ? All this does is advance the demise of your local feed store and the inevitable move to one much larger , farther away , and fully manned by mopheaded nitwits with nose rings that think Karl Marx was the one with the cigar . From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 6 07:02:10 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 00:02:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally photos are up Message-ID: <000301c91029$286326e0$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi all Click here for Rusty Iron Rally photos http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/Rusty_Iron_Rallly_2008/index.htm Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Sep 6 07:24:41 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 07:24:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally photos are up In-Reply-To: <000301c91029$286326e0$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <000301c91029$286326e0$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <58A80BEC-226E-4B31-86A4-8EB7F5826E00@rustyiron.com> On Sep 6, 2008, at 7:02 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all > > Click here for Rusty Iron Rally photos > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/Rusty_Iron_Rallly_2008/ > index.htm G'day Pete, Those pictures just reinforce the thought that you blokes have the highest concentration of bitchin' engines in the whole wide world. Thanks for putting up the web page. Rob From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 6 12:49:01 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:49:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally photos are up References: <000301c91029$286326e0$0200a8c0@PETER> <58A80BEC-226E-4B31-86A4-8EB7F5826E00@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <000801c91059$9cf622c0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > G'day Pete, > Those pictures just reinforce the thought that you blokes have the > highest concentration of bitchin' engines in the whole wide world. > Thanks for putting up the web page. > > Rob http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/Rusty_Iron_Rallly_2008/pages/DSC08186%20(Small)_JPG.htm From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 6 12:50:07 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:50:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally photos are up References: <000301c91029$286326e0$0200a8c0@PETER> <58A80BEC-226E-4B31-86A4-8EB7F5826E00@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <000d01c91059$c3f50bc0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > G'day Pete, > Those pictures just reinforce the thought that you blokes have the > highest concentration of bitchin' engines in the whole wide world. > Thanks for putting up the web page. > > Rob http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/Rusty_Iron_Rallly_2008/pages/DSC08186%20(Small)_JPG.htm and scooters too ! Is that a skipole sticking off the rear wishbone ? cv From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 6 15:34:07 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 08:34:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally photos are up References: <000301c91029$286326e0$0200a8c0@PETER><58A80BEC-226E-4B31-86A4-8EB7F5826E00@rustyiron.com> <000d01c91059$c3f50bc0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <000f01c91070$acb08180$0200a8c0@PETER> >> G'day Pete, >> Those pictures just reinforce the thought that you blokes have the >> highest concentration of bitchin' engines in the whole wide world. >> Thanks for putting up the web page. >> >> Rob > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/Rusty_Iron_Rallly_2008/pages/DSC08186%20(Small)_JPG.htm > and scooters too ! Is that a skipole sticking off the rear wishbone ? Your very observant, not sure what it is? The bike is an ex army bike so it could be. Peter From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 6 18:57:10 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:57:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally photos are up Message-ID: <000601c9108d$0a4e0c10$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi All I have updated the rally page and added names, any I have missed out because I do know what they are, feel free to send me the link and I will update it. Regards Peter Click here for Rusty Iron Rally photos http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/Rusty_Iron_Rallly_2008/index.htm From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Sat Sep 6 19:06:49 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:06:49 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally photos are up In-Reply-To: <000d01c91059$c3f50bc0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <000301c91029$286326e0$0200a8c0@PETER> <58A80BEC-226E-4B31-86A4-8EB7F5826E00@rustyiron.com> <000d01c91059$c3f50bc0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <48C33739.5080308@optusnet.com.au> Rob > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/Rusty_Iron_Rallly_2008/pages/DSC08186%20(Small)_JPG.htm > and scooters too ! Is that a skipole sticking off the rear wishbone ? > > > > > > cv > I think that is the side prop stand on a BSA M20 c.1942. JW? (if there's one fing wot I like . . . ) From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Sep 7 02:27:33 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:27:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally photos are up Message-ID: <000b01c910cb$f58290f0$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi All In looking at the exhibits this weekend, there was a big lack of Display Signs giving engine info. How the hell are the general public and other exhibitors to know what engine is what as well as HP and other technical details. I have included the display signs where possible and in future will take good close shots of these signs so you all can read them. Some photos crept in from last years Rusty Iron Rally 2007, a couple of the tractor shots and one or two engines. There items were also here this year so the shots are relevant. Click here for Rusty Iron Rally photos http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/Rusty_Iron_Rallly_2008/index.htm I have included Allan, Glen and Brad in the List Photo, not sure if they all turned up, Brad was going Sunday. Regards Peter From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Sep 7 11:39:30 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:39:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland Message-ID: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> We have a few decent pictures of the folks around the ATIS area at Portland, are there any objections to these being put out on our websites publicly, or would you all prefer that they be put in a separate folder with the url only being posted here on the Lists? There's enough for a complete menu page (24pics) I think. The 'flycatching' Arnie and sleeping Reggie will not be included! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Sep 7 16:27:09 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:27:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally photos are up In-Reply-To: <000b01c910cb$f58290f0$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <000b01c910cb$f58290f0$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <9D35E818BBF14288A8007BC60CC19911@PML> Hi Peter, I think many of the display signs did not come out because the ground was so wet or the signs were damaged in transit. I have never driven through such bad weather to get to a rally. I think it was only the hardiest of engine people who actually got there with an engine ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Hi All In looking at the exhibits this weekend, there was a big lack of Display Signs giving engine info. How the hell are the general public and other exhibitors to know what engine is what as well as HP and other technical details. I have included the display signs where possible and in future will take good close shots of these signs so you all can read them. Some photos crept in from last years Rusty Iron Rally 2007, a couple of the tractor shots and one or two engines. There items were also here this year so the shots are relevant. Click here for Rusty Iron Rally photos http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/Rusty_Iron_Rallly_2008/index.htm I have included Allan, Glen and Brad in the List Photo, not sure if they all turned up, Brad was going Sunday. Regards Peter From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sun Sep 7 18:39:29 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 21:39:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Post them all! > Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:39:30 +0100> From: listerdiesel at gmail.com> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland> > We have a few decent pictures of the folks around the ATIS area at> Portland, are there any objections to these being put out on our> websites publicly, or would you all prefer that they be put in a> separate folder with the url only being posted here on the Lists?> > There's enough for a complete menu page (24pics) I think.> > The 'flycatching' Arnie and sleeping Reggie will not be included! :-))> > Peter> -- > Peter A Forbes> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel> http://stationary-engine.co.uk> http://www.oldengine.co.uk> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Sep 7 20:12:20 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:12:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland References: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000701c91160$b4c65840$726f4b47@mikecomp> I agree, let the sleeping dogs beware! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland Post them all! > Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:39:30 +0100> From: listerdiesel at gmail.com> To: > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Subject: > [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland> > We have a few decent pictures of > the folks around the ATIS area at> Portland, are there any objections to > these being put out on our> websites publicly, or would you all prefer > that they be put in a> separate folder with the url only being posted here > on the Lists?> > There's enough for a complete menu page (24pics) I > think.> > The 'flycatching' Arnie and sleeping Reggie will not be > included! :-))> > Peter> -- > Peter A Forbes> Email: > listerdiesel at gmail.com> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel> > http://stationary-engine.co.uk> http://www.oldengine.co.uk> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldiron62 at gmail.com Sun Sep 7 20:16:13 2008 From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:16:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) was now china now Stealing References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net><00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><002601c90fb9$df8bd760$6501a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <006601c91024$3e12b410$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <004101c91161$4cc21ee0$6501a8c0@FAMILYROOM> CHUCK I did not do that ! It was meant as a joke, dont like my stuff walking off and know how it feels. And I think there is a PAYDAY for theives. Sorry if it sounded like a real happening I meant it as a joke only. The truth is any of the feedstores hardware around here would give loan ect anything I might need at any time. I have good relationship with these stores and know that at current prices it would be devastating for them to loose a loss of this kind. I do not think that either place has 20 pair of vice grips on the wall at any time. And I have 8-10 pair around the place already, some are 20+ years old. Sometimes i buy a pair at the flea market also I like the ones with a bit of weld on them for a buck or two. And then it could not be done the way I said, for the seed feed nails ect is out in another building. Sorry again, it was meant as a joke only !! And should have been never said, my mistake im guilty of not being clear on that. The other day I was gettin some Orings and going in and out to match them up to hyd fitting in the truck. And come away with a couple in my pocket by accident, the next day I was back exchanging one and paying for them both. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) was now china > > I am trying to finance there move to china, went and slipped 20 pairs > > (US >> made) of the welding clamp jobs into a sack of seed wheat at the farm >> store >> last week. So that should get them well on their way to moving out china >> bound, LOL> ironman >> PS that bag of cover crop seed was a good buy :<) $12.00 and the vice >> grips >> enhanced the bargin a good bit. Oh I see that Crescent has sold out to >> the >> chinese bastards also. They go good in loose nails also, only .99 cents a >> pound ! > > And at current margins how many will the feed store have to sell to merely > break even > and still cover the ones you ripped off ? > > All this does is advance the demise of your local feed store and the > inevitable move > to one much larger , farther away , and fully manned by mopheaded nitwits > with nose rings that think Karl Marx was the one with the cigar . > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 7 20:58:13 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:58:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland In-Reply-To: <000701c91160$b4c65840$726f4b47@mikecomp> References: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> <000701c91160$b4c65840$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: YES, post them all and let doG sort them out! Dave On Sep 7, 2008, at 11:12 PM, Mike Royster wrote: > I agree, let the sleeping dogs beware! > > MR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Royster" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:39 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland > > > > Post them all! From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Sep 7 20:57:16 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:57:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally photos are up Message-ID: <380-2200891835716173@M2W033.mail2web.com> Hi Patrick Yes the rain was a bitch, I laminate all my engine signs just in case it rains. I guess now some smart ass will come back and say, "but you don't take any engines".;-))) I am actually doing a one man exhibit at our local school this Saturday and taking 6 engines and signs. It is only 300 metres from home, around the corner, perfect. Al, you are welcome to come along. Peter Hi Peter, I think many of the display signs did not come out because the ground was so wet or the signs were damaged in transit. I have never driven through such bad weather to get to a rally. I think it was only the hardiest of engine people who actually got there with an engine ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Hi All In looking at the exhibits this weekend, there was a big lack of Display Signs giving engine info. How the hell are the general public and other exhibitors to know what engine is what as well as HP and other technical details. I have included the display signs where possible and in future will take good close shots of these signs so you all can read them. Some photos crept in from last years Rusty Iron Rally 2007, a couple of the tractor shots and one or two engines. There items were also here this year so the shots are relevant. Click here for Rusty Iron Rally photos http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/Rusty_Iron_Rallly_2008/index.htm I have included Allan, Glen and Brad in the List Photo, not sure if they all turned up, Brad was going Sunday. Regards Peter _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Sep 7 21:24:40 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:24:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Message-ID: <3C3F315A5A854009A9B188CB2464F92D@PML> I am starting to recover from a big weekend at the Rusty Iron Rally. Ron & Liz travelled up with me in the Navara with the YC Stover in tow. We had over 6 hours of driving in torrential rain we arrived and thought of heading home again without unloading. During dinner that night the rain cleared and the weather was stunning all weekend. Even though it was well tarped with Stover ended up with about a litre of water in the fuel tank! Once the water was drained the engine was running OK but would mysteriously stop. I found that the adjusting screw had stipped on the Webster so I fixes it with a couple of lock nuts. The engine was still not running right but Edd quickly diagnosed the problem as a slightly weak spring on the Webster trip. This was quickly fixed and the engine gave no further trouble. A great weekend was had by all even though numbers were down due to the terrible rain through NSW and Qld, but none fell at Macksville the whole weekend! I have put some pictures up at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri08/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Sep 7 22:31:10 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:31:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <356AC9FC-0C5C-4198-8AD8-8898934790F0@rustyiron.com> On Sep 7, 2008, at 11:39 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > We have a few decent pictures of the folks around the ATIS area at > Portland, are there any objections to these being put out on our > websites publicly, or would you all prefer that they be put in a > separate folder with the url only being posted here on the Lists? > > There's enough for a complete menu page (24pics) I think. > Peter, It might be best if you omitted the pictures of the Royster boys with those Amish girls at the 'shine tastin' party. From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Sun Sep 7 23:01:25 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 07:01:25 +0100 Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland References: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002801c91178$53f4a720$334e6f58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Peter, Post them all sleeping beauties as well , as some people might not have been around at that times, Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: ; "Stationary-Engine" Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 7:39 PM Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland > We have a few decent pictures of the folks around the ATIS area at > Portland, are there any objections to these being put out on our > websites publicly, or would you all prefer that they be put in a > separate folder with the url only being posted here on the Lists? > > There's enough for a complete menu page (24pics) I think. > > The 'flycatching' Arnie and sleeping Reggie will not be included! :-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Sep 8 06:01:23 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:01:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220878883.48c522234173e@webmail.city-net.com> Hell Peter, Include 'em all. It's a part of the "Portland Experience." Besides how else will we ever convince folks that these shows are such work? See ya, Arnie Quoting Listerdiesel : > We have a few decent pictures of the folks around the ATIS area at > Portland, are there any objections to these being put out on our > websites publicly, or would you all prefer that they be put in a > separate folder with the url only being posted here on the Lists? > > There's enough for a complete menu page (24pics) I think. > > The 'flycatching' Arnie and sleeping Reggie will not be included! :-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 8 07:25:37 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:25:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) was now china now Stealing References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net><00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><002601c90fb9$df8bd760$6501a8c0@FAMILYROOM><006601c91024$3e12b410$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <004101c91161$4cc21ee0$6501a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <008e01c911be$c44870b0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > CHUCK I did not do that ! It was meant as a joke, dont like my stuff > walking off and know how it feels. Try a "LOL" here and there or as the kids say "lulz" to add inflection . Thanks anyway for givin me room to take another swat at a commie for mommy . /// And I think there is a PAYDAY for theives. Not even when I catch 'em .....dude , they need to have some meth in their pocket to make it stick . I should keep a a little rock around just to toss at their feet . From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Sep 8 10:51:59 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:51:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland In-Reply-To: <356AC9FC-0C5C-4198-8AD8-8898934790F0@rustyiron.com> References: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> <356AC9FC-0C5C-4198-8AD8-8898934790F0@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hey Rob, Those girls were of legal drinkin age! They showed us their buggy licenses! Steve , the good Royster > >> > Peter,> It might be best if you omitted the pictures of the Royster boys with > those Amish girls at the 'shine tastin' party.> > > > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 11:21:08 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:21:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160809081121v5f6362caic2b9fe8659acf061@mail.gmail.com> On 07/09/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > We have a few decent pictures of the folks around the ATIS area at Portland We have made up a menu page with as many respectable images as we can muster, but we had to leave quite a few out after many 'private' representations off-list.....:-)) We have included as many of the ATIS/SEL 'family' as we could, and have also chucked in the Smokstak picture from Friday which was taken an hour before the ATIS/SEL one, and a few of the Smokstak people, including Harry Matthews and his Lady, Jeannie. The menu page is NOT accesible from the main website, and once you leave it to the main menu page, you cannot get back to it. It is also only on oldengine.org, NOT on stationary-engine.co.uk. http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08ATISMenu.htm If anyone wants a full-strength copy of any of the pictures, let me know and I'll email them over. Let me know if there are any problems please. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 13:39:38 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 21:39:38 +0100 Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809081121v5f6362caic2b9fe8659acf061@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160809081121v5f6362caic2b9fe8659acf061@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160809081339t40db4a5m6e9959a0344faef7@mail.gmail.com> On 08/09/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > The menu page is NOT accesible from the main website, and once you > leave it to the main menu page, you cannot get back to it. It is also > only on oldengine.org, NOT on stationary-engine.co.uk. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08ATISMenu.htm We have ported it over to stationary-engine.co.uk as there seems to be a great demand for the downloads which is slowing the server up a lot: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland08/Portland08ATISMenu.htm Same rules apply, that's a one-way url, once you are out of the page you cannot get back in through the usual website menuing. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From kimmell at verizon.net Tue Sep 9 19:49:26 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:49:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0809051110x25b747dftc2376072a6dffc4@mail.gmail.com > References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> <00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <679F5F61-5709-4434-80C1-787920AB370D@rustyiron.com> <8d3c36fb0809051110x25b747dftc2376072a6dffc4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0K6W009ATQH2BW59@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> If he's a landlord, I'm assuming he has some sort of lease contract with the renters. If he wants to get out of the rental business before that contract expires, then he SHOULD have to pay the tenants. It's the same as cancelling your cell phone contract early and paying the early cancellation fee. -Tony At 01:10 PM 9/5/2008, you wrote: >In San Francisco, if a landlord wants to go out of the rental business, he >has to pay the tenants to leave. Socialism is creeping in. Businesses have >other employee restrictions. > >Paul in SanFran >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From enginepaul at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 22:18:02 2008 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 22:18:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <0K6W009ATQH2BW59@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> <00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <679F5F61-5709-4434-80C1-787920AB370D@rustyiron.com> <8d3c36fb0809051110x25b747dftc2376072a6dffc4@mail.gmail.com> <0K6W009ATQH2BW59@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0809082218q3cf0a469o19bad4be6bad6242@mail.gmail.com> " If he wants to get out of the rental business before that contract expires, then he SHOULD have to pay the tenants. " The 'contract' doesn't expire and rent increases are limited and so are the reasons for evictions. Rent control is touted as helping the poor; but there is no tenant's income limit so it helps lots of rich people too. My friend Bill isn't allowed to move back into his own building as just one situation that I consider unfair. (Google SF Rent control for more info) Paul in SanFran From camaned at bigpond.com Tue Sep 9 07:47:27 2008 From: camaned at bigpond.com (Cam & Edwina) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:47:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally 2008 report In-Reply-To: <000301c91021$f9eb4380$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <000301c91021$f9eb4380$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <39B76248397D41BEB58AA865592C891D@CamPC> Thanks for the pics pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 11:10 PM Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally 2008 report > Hi all > > Well, I spent the day at Macksville at the Rusty Iron Rally and YES I was > flamed for not taking an engine, that's life.!! ;-)) > It poured rain yesterday, Friday, and today, Saturday, was fine but the > place was a bog. > Numbers were down but may pickup tomorrow if it stays fine. A good turnout > of tractors, 2 nice steam traction engines, stationary steam also, vintage > cars and bikes and engines. > The track into the car park had been chewed up by trucks and 4x4's and > getting my lowered V8 out was a struggle, the front spoiler acted like a > grader blade and when I got home the was 4Kgs of mud stuck there. > Met up with Patrick, Ron, Liz, Cam & Edd and did not see Al and his son > Glen. I think Brad is going Sunday. It was still a good day and I bought a > few tools seeing Sunday is Father's Day here in Oz. > > I am uploading images from today but it will take about an hour, there are > 158 photos > > I will show next year, I promise ;-)) > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Sep 9 12:55:28 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:55:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0809082218q3cf0a469o19bad4be6bad6242@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Paul: I dunno what this has to do with engines but what do you expect from The People's Republic of San Francisco? :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of P. Johns > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:18 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > > > " If he wants to get out of the rental business > before that contract expires, then he SHOULD have > to pay the > tenants. " > The 'contract' doesn't expire and rent increases > are limited and so are the > reasons for evictions. Rent control is touted as > helping the poor; but there > is no tenant's income limit so it helps lots of > rich people too. My friend > Bill isn't allowed to move back into his own > building as just one situation > that I consider unfair. (Google SF Rent control > for more info) > > Paul in SanFran From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Sep 9 12:39:09 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:39:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: Message-ID: This whole "vice-grip"? thread has nothing to do with engines. Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 3:55 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) Paul: I dunno what this has to do with engines but what do you expect from The People's Republic of San Francisco? :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of P. Johns > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:18 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > > > " If he wants to get out of the rental business > before that contract expires, then he SHOULD have > to pay the > tenants. " > The 'contract' doesn't expire and rent increases > are limited and so are the > reasons for evictions. Rent control is touted as > helping the poor; but there > is no tenant's income limit so it helps lots of > rich people too. My friend > Bill isn't allowed to move back into his own > building as just one situation > that I consider unfair. (Google SF Rent control > for more info) > > Paul in SanFran _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 9 13:14:11 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 16:14:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04923FE0-3BFA-4DC3-8F58-1814AAD69E7A@alltel.net> Hi Jim, I use vice grips on my engines! Hell, I even have a Chinese engine (that Twin gave me) so as soon as the Chinese produce the tool I can use it on that engine. Dave PS, Kerry, when will you guys in OZ start producing V-G's? The Austral needs some fine tuning. PPS, Paul, Does the rent control agency, also, determine the rental price of engines? PPPS, See Jim, even Paul's post was on topic! On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > This whole "vice-grip"? thread has nothing to do with engines. > Jim > > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden > DuRand > Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 3:55 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > > > > Paul: > > I dunno what this has to do with engines but what do you expect from > The People's Republic of San Francisco? :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of P. Johns >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:18 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) >> >> >> " If he wants to get out of the rental business >> before that contract expires, then he SHOULD have >> to pay the >> tenants. " >> The 'contract' doesn't expire and rent increases >> are limited and so are the >> reasons for evictions. Rent control is touted as >> helping the poor; but there >> is no tenant's income limit so it helps lots of >> rich people too. My friend >> Bill isn't allowed to move back into his own >> building as just one situation >> that I consider unfair. (Google SF Rent control >> for more info) >> >> Paul in SanFran From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Sep 9 14:25:09 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:25:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! References: <04923FE0-3BFA-4DC3-8F58-1814AAD69E7A@alltel.net> Message-ID: I'll concede to you on the vice grips.I wasn't thinking in broad enough terms.I don't accept that rent control has anything to do with engines.I think what made me question the direction in which this thread was going was the posts about "dog eaters". Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of David Rotigel Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 4:14 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! Hi Jim, I use vice grips on my engines! Hell, I even have a Chinese engine (that Twin gave me) so as soon as the Chinese produce the tool I can use it on that engine. Dave PS, Kerry, when will you guys in OZ start producing V-G's? The Austral needs some fine tuning. PPS, Paul, Does the rent control agency, also, determine the rental price of engines? PPPS, See Jim, even Paul's post was on topic! On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > This whole "vice-grip"? thread has nothing to do with engines. > Jim > > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden > DuRand > Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 3:55 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > > > > Paul: > > I dunno what this has to do with engines but what do you expect from > The People's Republic of San Francisco? :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of P. Johns >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:18 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) >> >> >> " If he wants to get out of the rental business >> before that contract expires, then he SHOULD have >> to pay the >> tenants. " >> The 'contract' doesn't expire and rent increases >> are limited and so are the >> reasons for evictions. Rent control is touted as >> helping the poor; but there >> is no tenant's income limit so it helps lots of >> rich people too. My friend >> Bill isn't allowed to move back into his own >> building as just one situation >> that I consider unfair. (Google SF Rent control >> for more info) >> >> Paul in SanFran _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 9 15:50:16 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:50:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! In-Reply-To: References: <04923FE0-3BFA-4DC3-8F58-1814AAD69E7A@alltel.net> Message-ID: <99654CE9-7C54-4EA4-8256-F959B8C65A38@alltel.net> Hi Jim, Do you know Arnie? When he is not collecting old iron (or eating) he is an engineer at what used to be Westinghouse--it's now owned by some Jap company. In any event, the last time Arnie was in Korea (I think it was during a visit to Dear Leader) he tried dog. He said that it sure as hell didn't taste like chicken! Dave PS, Arnie's trip to Korea did NOT have anything to do with vice grips. Dear Leader would not tell me why Arnie was there! PPS, Have you ever met Little Lisa? On Sep 9, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > I'll concede to you on the vice grips.I wasn't thinking in broad > enough terms.I don't accept that rent control has anything to do > with engines.I think what made me question the direction in which > this thread was going was the posts about "dog eaters". > Jim > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of David > Rotigel > Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 4:14 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! > > > > Hi Jim, > I use vice grips on my engines! Hell, I even have a Chinese engine > (that Twin gave me) so as soon as the Chinese produce the tool I can > use it on that engine. > Dave > PS, Kerry, when will you guys in OZ start producing V-G's? The Austral > needs some fine tuning. > PPS, Paul, Does the rent control agency, also, determine the rental > price of engines? > PPPS, See Jim, even Paul's post was on topic! > > > > On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > >> This whole "vice-grip"? thread has nothing to do with engines. >> Jim >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden >> DuRand >> Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 3:55 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) >> >> >> >> Paul: >> >> I dunno what this has to do with engines but what do you expect from >> The People's Republic of San Francisco? :-) >> >> Take care - Elden >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>> Behalf Of P. Johns >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:18 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) >>> >>> >>> " If he wants to get out of the rental business >>> before that contract expires, then he SHOULD have >>> to pay the >>> tenants. " >>> The 'contract' doesn't expire and rent increases >>> are limited and so are the >>> reasons for evictions. Rent control is touted as >>> helping the poor; but there >>> is no tenant's income limit so it helps lots of >>> rich people too. My friend >>> Bill isn't allowed to move back into his own >>> building as just one situation >>> that I consider unfair. (Google SF Rent control >>> for more info) >>> >>> Paul in SanFran > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or > entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please > do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to > others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, > and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The > Timken Corporation _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Sep 9 15:46:32 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:46:32 +0800 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: Message-ID: I would certainly see vice grips as being an ''On Topic'' subject ,rental problems ...drawing a wide bow perhaps .However the inclusion of non topic subjects now and then makes it interesting..as long as they are so designated........I am waiting for that tabboo subject in the US to raise it's head again! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kangas, James G." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) This whole "vice-grip"? thread has nothing to do with engines. Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 3:55 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) Paul: I dunno what this has to do with engines but what do you expect from The People's Republic of San Francisco? :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of P. Johns > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:18 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > > > " If he wants to get out of the rental business > before that contract expires, then he SHOULD have > to pay the > tenants. " > The 'contract' doesn't expire and rent increases > are limited and so are the > reasons for evictions. Rent control is touted as > helping the poor; but there > is no tenant's income limit so it helps lots of > rich people too. My friend > Bill isn't allowed to move back into his own > building as just one situation > that I consider unfair. (Google SF Rent control > for more info) > > Paul in SanFran _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Sep 9 16:03:28 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:03:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! References: <04923FE0-3BFA-4DC3-8F58-1814AAD69E7A@alltel.net> <99654CE9-7C54-4EA4-8256-F959B8C65A38@alltel.net> Message-ID: No I don't know Arnie nor have I met Little Lisa. Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of David Rotigel Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 6:50 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! Hi Jim, Do you know Arnie? When he is not collecting old iron (or eating) he is an engineer at what used to be Westinghouse--it's now owned by some Jap company. In any event, the last time Arnie was in Korea (I think it was during a visit to Dear Leader) he tried dog. He said that it sure as hell didn't taste like chicken! Dave PS, Arnie's trip to Korea did NOT have anything to do with vice grips. Dear Leader would not tell me why Arnie was there! PPS, Have you ever met Little Lisa? On Sep 9, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > I'll concede to you on the vice grips.I wasn't thinking in broad > enough terms.I don't accept that rent control has anything to do > with engines.I think what made me question the direction in which > this thread was going was the posts about "dog eaters". > Jim > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of David > Rotigel > Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 4:14 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! > > > > Hi Jim, > I use vice grips on my engines! Hell, I even have a Chinese engine > (that Twin gave me) so as soon as the Chinese produce the tool I can > use it on that engine. > Dave > PS, Kerry, when will you guys in OZ start producing V-G's? The Austral > needs some fine tuning. > PPS, Paul, Does the rent control agency, also, determine the rental > price of engines? > PPPS, See Jim, even Paul's post was on topic! > > > > On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > >> This whole "vice-grip"? thread has nothing to do with engines. >> Jim >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden >> DuRand >> Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 3:55 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) >> >> >> >> Paul: >> >> I dunno what this has to do with engines but what do you expect from >> The People's Republic of San Francisco? :-) >> >> Take care - Elden >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>> Behalf Of P. Johns >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:18 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) >>> >>> >>> " If he wants to get out of the rental business >>> before that contract expires, then he SHOULD have >>> to pay the >>> tenants. " >>> The 'contract' doesn't expire and rent increases >>> are limited and so are the >>> reasons for evictions. Rent control is touted as >>> helping the poor; but there >>> is no tenant's income limit so it helps lots of >>> rich people too. My friend >>> Bill isn't allowed to move back into his own >>> building as just one situation >>> that I consider unfair. (Google SF Rent control >>> for more info) >>> >>> Paul in SanFran > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or > entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please > do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to > others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, > and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The > Timken Corporation _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ilifa at internode.on.net Tue Sep 9 16:24:53 2008 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:24:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Meitz and weiss single cylinder marine engine In-Reply-To: <200809091601.m89G1MXc029685@marine1.pas-com.net> References: <200809091601.m89G1MXc029685@marine1.pas-com.net> Message-ID: <2D18CB76-1522-4F93-BC31-A2CAC83EF604@internode.on.net> The spelling here is not correct. I did a Google check and found out that this is a common mistake. The first name is Mietz, pronounced Meets. The second name Weiss, in original German, would be pronounced Vice, as in gripping device. It may well have been Anglicised to Wice. Just a bit of trivia! Eric From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Sep 9 16:35:24 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:35:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080909193346.0305d810@pop3.wcoil.com> What, Cow prolapse? Thats reaching back into List History for that banned subject. GRINNNNN. At 06:46 PM 9/9/08, you wrote: >I would certainly see vice grips as being an ''On Topic'' subject ,rental >problems ...drawing a wide bow perhaps .However the inclusion of non topic >subjects now and then makes it interesting..as long as they are so >designated........I am waiting for that tabboo subject in the US to raise >it's head again! Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Sep 9 16:50:31 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 16:50:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine finishes Message-ID: <20080909235031.208B44C8C9F@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi, ,what is the recipe for coating of boiled linseed oil and[?] on unpainted and rusty cast iron engines? Is it a mixture of Kero and linseed oil or something else? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Sep 9 16:50:48 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:50:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Information boards and shows Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080910005600.00c19d90@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, We also had our annual show this weekend - pages will hopefully be up by tomorrow night. I'm not as quick as those Aussies. Peter and Patrick - thanks for posting your "Rusty Iron' pics. Peter, how did you manage to beat Patrick - his pics are normally up so quickly :-) Your post included mention of the lack of "Info Boards". I experienced that this weekend and have included a note on my webpages (the one that will hopefully be up tomorrow). In the meantime here is a "copy & paste" from the page of my thoughts on the matter. "******** Note re. the importance of "information boards" on engines ******** Something discussed recently on the Old Engine list was the lack of "information boards" on engines. South Africa is no exception here and many engines lacked information boards (we call them "Brag Boards"). Even guys that I do know to own "Brag Boards" for their engines (I KNOW because I've made boards for them at no charge) did not bother to use them. My experience this weekend showed just how important these boards are. My 1928 Wolseley R was "parked" between my daughter's and my Wolseley WD9's (both 1960 something models). In the rush of loading everything for the show I forgot the board for the 1928 Wolseley (guilty as charged) and was really surprised at the number of spectators (and even a television crew) who would read one of the boards on the 1960's engines, walk right past the 1928 model and read the board on the other 1960 model - many took photographs and even made comments about "how nice they were" but ignored the far more collectible 1928 model. Of course I'm talking about the general public here, engine collectors know better and they admired the older engine. C'mon guys - use your boards - they enhance the display and the experience for spectators. Many spectators are too shy or lack the confidence to ask questions (many are even too scared to show their ignorance) so they just ignore the engine and move on. You'd be surprised at how many people will show interest and strike up a conversation with you if they just had "a bit of info" on the engine first - it seems to make them "more qualified" to talk to you or to compliment you on the engine (hey, we all like compliments). Remember also that the more discussions you have with spectators the more will you increase the chances that one of them may call you one day to say that they have found an old engine that you may be interested in." ******************** I have (and use) boards for each of my engines (O.K. so I'm luckier than most because I have a small sign business) but these boards need not cost a lot of bucks. Something simple made on your computer (or a mates computer) is better than nothing. After all the trouble and expense of restoring an engine this is only a small thing and makes a big difference. Info I put on my boards is: Make, Model, Serial Number, H.P. @ RPM, Date manufactured, Country of Origin, Owner/restorers name and my website address (people seem to be impressed that you have a website for engines and is a great address. (If the engine was given to me I also include "Donated by Joe Soap" - which has the added advantage of letting people know that I'm totally available for freebies ) If I want to say more I make another board (for example to describe the uses of the engine). I also have cards printed with my website address and contact details and hand these out freely at shows - if one in a hundred finds me another old engine then it's been worthwhile, Of course I've also ended up with a few stuffed lawnmower engines in the process but that's the chance you take and you accept them graciously - you gotta kiss a lot of frogs before you find a prince. O.K. that's my "tuppence ha'penny" worth. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From obise at moscow.com Tue Sep 9 17:14:14 2008 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:14:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine finishes In-Reply-To: <20080909235031.208B44C8C9F@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <200809100014.m8A0ETSJ066705@mail-gw.fsr.net> You may get a variety of answers, but I prefer to keep the coating very thin; so, I put a glug of boiled linseed oil into a half-dozen, or more, glugs of paint thinner and wipe on the mixture with a lint-free rag. It may take a week to dry. This treatment does wonders for faded paint. I've seen it transform many pieces of rusty and faded "barn fresh" iron into handsome displays, sometimes bringing out pinstriping or lettering that was previously unnoticeable. Of course, the dirt and crud should be removed, first. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 4:51 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] Engine finishes Hi, ,what is the recipe for coating of boiled linseed oil and[?] on unpainted and rusty cast iron engines? Is it a mixture of Kero and linseed oil or something else? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Sep 9 17:26:51 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 20:26:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine finishes References: <20080909235031.208B44C8C9F@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <9892C9D7CDB24D869E0EB604C3925067@tommydk7hxjr4h> Jimmy, What I use is a mixture of 50% boiled linseed oil and 50% mineral spirits. If you want to tint it a bit (say you have an old hunk of iron that has some original paint and you want to bring it out) you can add a little oil based paint, maybe a couple teaspoons per quart of linseed oil/mineral spirits mixture. I've added a little deep red paint to the mixture to bring out the original red paint on an old hunk. Its worked well for me but to each his own. I remember some discussion on Harry's site a few years ago where I mentioned the mixture I use. One gent responded "don't ever do that... I'd never put that on one of my engines!". I responded back that's fine, he never had to use it. But, on my old iron I'll use what I want. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 7:50 PM Subject: [SEL] Engine finishes > Hi, ,what is the recipe for coating of boiled linseed oil and[?] on > unpainted and rusty cast iron engines? Is it a mixture of Kero and linseed > oil or something else? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM From avanti_64 at juno.com Tue Sep 9 18:08:59 2008 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:08:59 GMT Subject: [SEL] Engine finishes Message-ID: <20080909.210859.24537.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Ditto for me, it does a nice job of bringing the original finish back to life. I'll have to remember the 2 tablespoons of oil base paint. I haven't tried that yet, some of the engines could have probably used a little extra color. Joe Kelley ____________________________________________________________ Take a break - you deserve it. Click here to find a great vacation. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iifjEtSzbEolSj7XZosivE0FDfsASrgju7PlQbc3UGFpUNKex/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Sep 9 18:11:57 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:11:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Youtube clips Message-ID: I have put a few clips of engines at the Rusty Iron Rally on Youtube. There is a tank cooled Lauson at: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ygPwpPhMhpQ The Columbus at: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=qw9OAKhqy1Q 2hp Hornsby at: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=pNPb-FPqadM The Cundall at: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=u22Du9QIPes and finally my Stover YC at: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqnu9JVpI8o Enjoy! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Sep 9 18:27:32 2008 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] A Peek into the Past... In-Reply-To: <0K6W009ATQH2BW59@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <896135.89450.qm@web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Over the Labor Day Weekend, The City of Batavia, IL celebrated its 175th Birthday. As part of it, Several local collectors brought out engines, equipment and other items that were made in Batavia. I should have my photos up tomorrow, but for now and some good laughs (it needed a few more edits and retakes...and maybe a better host)...see the video at the link below. http://blip.tv/file/1236275 Steve From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 9 18:45:19 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:45:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! In-Reply-To: References: <04923FE0-3BFA-4DC3-8F58-1814AAD69E7A@alltel.net> <99654CE9-7C54-4EA4-8256-F959B8C65A38@alltel.net> Message-ID: <724720DC-31CF-4170-88C0-900B7E5680B6@alltel.net> Hi Jim, I feel sorry for you--in both cases it's your loss! Dave PS, Are you sure you don't know Little Lisa? She talks often of a Jim K. On Sep 9, 2008, at 7:03 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > No I don't know Arnie nor have I met Little Lisa. > Jim > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of David > Rotigel > Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 6:50 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! > > > > Hi Jim, > Do you know Arnie? When he is not collecting old iron (or > eating) he > is an engineer at what used to be Westinghouse--it's now owned by some > Jap company. In any event, the last time Arnie was in Korea (I think > it was during a visit to Dear Leader) he tried dog. He said that it > sure as hell didn't taste like chicken! > Dave > PS, Arnie's trip to Korea did NOT have anything to do with vice grips. > Dear Leader would not tell me why Arnie was there! > PPS, Have you ever met Little Lisa? > > > On Sep 9, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > >> I'll concede to you on the vice grips.I wasn't thinking in broad >> enough terms.I don't accept that rent control has anything to do >> with engines.I think what made me question the direction in which >> this thread was going was the posts about "dog eaters". >> Jim >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of David >> Rotigel >> Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 4:14 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! >> >> >> >> Hi Jim, >> I use vice grips on my engines! Hell, I even have a Chinese engine >> (that Twin gave me) so as soon as the Chinese produce the tool I can >> use it on that engine. >> Dave >> PS, Kerry, when will you guys in OZ start producing V-G's? The >> Austral >> needs some fine tuning. >> PPS, Paul, Does the rent control agency, also, determine the rental >> price of engines? >> PPPS, See Jim, even Paul's post was on topic! >> >> >> >> On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: >> >>> This whole "vice-grip"? thread has nothing to do with engines. >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden >>> DuRand >>> Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 3:55 PM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul: >>> >>> I dunno what this has to do with engines but what do you expect from >>> The People's Republic of San Francisco? :-) >>> >>> Take care - Elden >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>>> Behalf Of P. Johns >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:18 AM >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) >>>> >>>> >>>> " If he wants to get out of the rental business >>>> before that contract expires, then he SHOULD have >>>> to pay the >>>> tenants. " >>>> The 'contract' doesn't expire and rent increases >>>> are limited and so are the >>>> reasons for evictions. Rent control is touted as >>>> helping the poor; but there >>>> is no tenant's income limit so it helps lots of >>>> rich people too. My friend >>>> Bill isn't allowed to move back into his own >>>> building as just one situation >>>> that I consider unfair. (Google SF Rent control >>>> for more info) >>>> >>>> Paul in SanFran >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or >> entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please >> do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to >> others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, >> and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The >> Timken Corporation _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From camaned at bigpond.com Tue Sep 9 18:35:45 2008 From: camaned at bigpond.com (Cam & Edwina) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:35:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally In-Reply-To: <3C3F315A5A854009A9B188CB2464F92D@PML> References: <3C3F315A5A854009A9B188CB2464F92D@PML> Message-ID: <7F4AA80C810B41A29BBE80C648E3307C@CamPC> Excellent Patrick, I don't know how you find the time to take the Photo's and run you engines too. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:24 PM Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally >I am starting to recover from a big weekend at the Rusty Iron Rally. Ron & > Liz travelled up with me in the Navara with the YC Stover in tow. We had > over 6 hours of driving in torrential rain we arrived and thought of > heading > home again without unloading. During dinner that night the rain cleared > and > the weather was stunning all weekend. > Even though it was well tarped with Stover ended up with about a litre of > water in the fuel tank! Once the water was drained the engine was running > OK > but would mysteriously stop. I found that the adjusting screw had stipped > on > the Webster so I fixes it with a couple of lock nuts. The engine was still > not running right but Edd quickly diagnosed the problem as a slightly weak > spring on the Webster trip. This was quickly fixed and the engine gave no > further trouble. > A great weekend was had by all even though numbers were down due to the > terrible rain through NSW and Qld, but none fell at Macksville the whole > weekend! > I have put some pictures up at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri08/index.htm > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Sep 9 18:44:18 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:44:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Youtube clips References: Message-ID: <003701c912e6$bd5bae10$726f4b47@mikecomp> Those are excellent!!! What a great selection of of old iron. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:11 PM Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Youtube clips >I have put a few clips of engines at the Rusty Iron Rally on Youtube. > There is a tank cooled Lauson at: > http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ygPwpPhMhpQ > > The Columbus at: > http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=qw9OAKhqy1Q > > 2hp Hornsby at: > http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=pNPb-FPqadM > > The Cundall at: > http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=u22Du9QIPes > > and finally my Stover YC at: > http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqnu9JVpI8o > > Enjoy! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Sep 9 18:48:47 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:48:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine finishes References: <20080909235031.208B44C8C9F@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <9892C9D7CDB24D869E0EB604C3925067@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <003c01c912e7$5e02d8c0$726f4b47@mikecomp> Hmmmmmm, that sounds an awful lot like the "Royster family secret recipe"! I can see once again my bad brother Steve sold out the family for a few pints of "Kentucky's finest". At least it looks good on "my future inheritance" in the mountains of Asheville. It looked great on the International in Portland this year Judge! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine finishes > Jimmy, > What I use is a mixture of 50% boiled linseed oil and 50% mineral > spirits. If you want to tint it a bit (say you have an old hunk of iron > that has some original paint and you want to bring it out) you can add a > little oil based paint, maybe a couple teaspoons per quart of linseed > oil/mineral spirits mixture. I've added a little deep red paint to the > mixture to bring out the original red paint on an old hunk. Its worked > well > for me but to each his own. I remember some discussion on Harry's site a > few years ago where I mentioned the mixture I use. One gent responded > "don't ever do that... I'd never put that on one of my engines!". I > responded back that's fine, he never had to use it. But, on my old iron > I'll use what I want. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim O'Hagan" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 7:50 PM > Subject: [SEL] Engine finishes > > >> Hi, ,what is the recipe for coating of boiled linseed oil and[?] on >> unpainted and rusty cast iron engines? Is it a mixture of Kero and >> linseed >> oil or something else? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236 >> >> >> >> Jim O'Hagan >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 > 10:47 AM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Sep 9 19:14:45 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 22:14:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A Peek into the Past... References: <896135.89450.qm@web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a401c912ea$fe535090$726f4b47@mikecomp> Steve, a great video, thanks for sharing it! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:27 PM Subject: [SEL] A Peek into the Past... > Over the Labor Day Weekend, The City of Batavia, IL celebrated its 175th > Birthday. As part of it, Several local collectors brought out engines, > equipment and other items that were made in Batavia. > > I should have my photos up tomorrow, but for now and some good laughs (it > needed a few more edits and retakes...and maybe a better host)...see the > video at the link below. > > http://blip.tv/file/1236275 > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kimmell at verizon.net Wed Sep 10 19:38:01 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:38:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0809082218q3cf0a469o19bad4be6bad6242@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> <00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <679F5F61-5709-4434-80C1-787920AB370D@rustyiron.com> <8d3c36fb0809051110x25b747dftc2376072a6dffc4@mail.gmail.com> <0K6W009ATQH2BW59@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <8d3c36fb0809082218q3cf0a469o19bad4be6bad6242@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0K6Y009DCKM1CK59@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Well with those ridiculous stipulations, one wonders why he would have wanted to be in the rental business there in the first place. I certainly wouldn't want to rent out property in a place with all those ridiculous rules. My uncle lived in SanFran for a while... I guess I shouldn't expect anything there to make sense. Around here renters have a lease agreement with the landlord (usually 1 year) and if either the landlord or the renter want to get out of the contract there's usually some clause written in with an early termination fee. On top of the fee, the landlord also keeps your initial deposit (usually the same amount as one or two months rent). -Tony At 12:18 AM 9/9/2008, you wrote: >The 'contract' doesn't expire and rent increases are limited and so are the >reasons for evictions. Rent control is touted as helping the poor; but there >is no tenant's income limit so it helps lots of rich people too. My friend >Bill isn't allowed to move back into his own building as just one situation >that I consider unfair. (Google SF Rent control for more info) From MaytagTwin at aol.com Tue Sep 9 20:12:47 2008 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 23:12:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! Message-ID: In a message dated 9/9/2008 6:16:02 PM Central Daylight Time, james.kangas at timken.com writes: No I don't know Arnie nor have I met Little Lisa. Jim Then I suppose you aren't conversant with cow prolapse or goat sacrifice to insure safe flight? Ron **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From ddotto at cableone.net Tue Sep 9 20:30:30 2008 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:30:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c912f5$942e9ca0$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> Ok I have been on this list since the very beginning I remember the goat sacrifice well but I think I must have been exercising the delete key when the cow prolapse thread was going strong. Maybe I should have read more of it. It was probably a hoot. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of MaytagTwin at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:13 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! > > > In a message dated 9/9/2008 6:16:02 PM Central Daylight Time, > james.kangas at timken.com writes: > > No I don't know Arnie nor have I met Little Lisa. > Jim > > > > Then I suppose you aren't conversant with cow prolapse or goat sacrifice > to > insure safe flight? > Ron > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion > blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3430 (20080910) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Sep 9 20:52:04 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 23:52:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! In-Reply-To: <000001c912f5$942e9ca0$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> References: <000001c912f5$942e9ca0$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080909235044.03056950@pop3.wcoil.com> I thinks it was back in the Indiana.edu days. It was funny for a while. Mark At 11:30 PM 9/9/08, you wrote: >Ok I have been on this list since the very beginning I remember the goat >sacrifice well but I think I must have been exercising the delete key when >the cow prolapse thread was going strong. Maybe I should have read more of >it. It was probably a hoot. > >Dave > > >Dave Otto >Boise, Idaho >USA > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of MaytagTwin at aol.com > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:13 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! > > > > > > In a message dated 9/9/2008 6:16:02 PM Central Daylight Time, > > james.kangas at timken.com writes: > > > > No I don't know Arnie nor have I met Little Lisa. > > Jim > > > > > > > > Then I suppose you aren't conversant with cow prolapse or goat sacrifice > > to > > insure safe flight? > > Ron > > > > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion > > blog, > > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > > signature database 3430 (20080910) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Tue Sep 9 21:11:06 2008 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:11:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! References: <04923FE0-3BFA-4DC3-8F58-1814AAD69E7A@alltel.net> <99654CE9-7C54-4EA4-8256-F959B8C65A38@alltel.net> <724720DC-31CF-4170-88C0-900B7E5680B6@alltel.net> Message-ID: <44BE7A51EBA746D28CE6D59542C95A74@your46e94owx6a> I had a tough time with LL, the therapy cost a fortune, got so expensive I had to send her home. She told me about some really weird things that some college professor did. If any of you would care to help me out a little maybe I can make it back to Portland when I have recovered financially. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! Hi Jim, I feel sorry for you--in both cases it's your loss! Dave PS, Are you sure you don't know Little Lisa? She talks often of a Jim K. From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Sep 9 22:06:42 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 22:06:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! Message-ID: <20080909.220643.2176.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Wasn't there the dead puppy druids also? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 23:12:47 EDT MaytagTwin at aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 9/9/2008 6:16:02 PM Central Daylight Time, > james.kangas at timken.com writes: > > No I don't know Arnie nor have I met Little Lisa. > Jim > > > > Then I suppose you aren't conversant with cow prolapse or goat > sacrifice to > insure safe flight? > Ron ____________________________________________________________ Fast Computer Training. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mAUDbA7FkTGfeqMDbvBDz9825pPRl4FChUE5MPOvqsiLcP7/ From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Sep 9 22:12:23 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 22:12:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! Message-ID: <20080909.221223.2176.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Jim. I was really surprised that Dave brought up LL. I thought he wouldn't want to mention her after the spectacle at the Democratic convention. That was a real scene when she jumped up on the stage and insisted Hillary be the VP. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:11:06 -0700 "Jim Kirkes" writes: > I had a tough time with LL, the therapy cost a fortune, got > so expensive I had to send her home. > She told me about some really weird things that some college > professor did. If any of you > would care to help me out a little maybe I can make it back > to Portland when I have recovered > financially. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, California U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! > > > Hi Jim, I feel sorry for you--in both cases it's your loss! > Dave > PS, Are you sure you don't know Little Lisa? She talks often > of a Jim K. ____________________________________________________________ Embrace e-commerce and sell your products or services online. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nqoit8xgitCpbRsC2N5FWm0Jr69kzlFqxNW2tF7Wj5l3pwZ/ From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 9 22:45:15 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:45:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! In-Reply-To: <44BE7A51EBA746D28CE6D59542C95A74@your46e94owx6a> References: <04923FE0-3BFA-4DC3-8F58-1814AAD69E7A@alltel.net> <99654CE9-7C54-4EA4-8256-F959B8C65A38@alltel.net> <724720DC-31CF-4170-88C0-900B7E5680B6@alltel.net> <44BE7A51EBA746D28CE6D59542C95A74@your46e94owx6a> Message-ID: <6FE60DCA-53DC-477B-8B1C-D03195E7AEE9@alltel.net> Hi Jim, Little Lisa has been here with my wife and me for 5 or 6 years now. When she first started to talk (it took several years) she would always babble on about some Jim K guy and what this man had done to her. ALWAYS sessions like this ended up with her tearing all her clothes off, lying down spread eagle on her bed and sobbing for hours! (I would always cover her with a blanket after 20 minuted, or so, just to be sure she wasn't getting cold.) After several years with us this memory of "Jim K" seemed to pass. (The "Daddy Ron" thing has never gone away completely--but that's to be expected. She was much younger when she was with Daddy Ron!) I have converted a portion of our attic to a bedroom for LL. (With a full bath!) She seems pleased with the arrangement--being here with us and all. Jennie, of course, is a Department Chair at IUP now and that job requires a good bit of travel. LL really enjoys the time in the downstairs when Jennie is in London, or Ireland, or some other place out of the country for a week or two! Little Lisa has a steady job now (about time at the age of 28 I must say!) Her shift starts at about 10:00 pm and she is home by 6:00 each morning. She is making real good money for a young lady of her age with no real education of which to speak. Some nights she brings home $1,000-$1500.00--and it's all cash--read that TAX FREE! She has sure turned whatever assets she acquired while living with Daddy Ron on Poverty Ridge into a good business! Her partner (a guy named Jamboo-- or something like that) gets 60% of her "take" so whatever she does must be of great value to her clients! LL says that Jamboo is the real business man. He has three girls working for him every night--except Wed. when everyone takes a day off. Those young ladies must really be fast at typing, or whatever their skills are--LL sure brings home a lot of money! I charge LL 50% of what she brings home as rent on the attic bedroom/ bathroom that I provide for her. She seems happy with this arrangement and it sure as hell keeps me in engine and show travel money! I intended to bring LL to Baraboo and Portland with me this year. However, she had a new boss that was fighting with her old boss over here, so I thought it would be best if she stayed at home to show both bosses what her talent was and EXACTLY how good she was at what she does! She sure must be VERY good at what it is she does because she now has a new boss and the old boss can't be found! Dave PS, Perhaps next year I can bring Little Lisa to Portland with me! On Sep 10, 2008, at 12:11 AM, Jim Kirkes wrote: > I had a tough time with LL, the therapy cost a fortune, got > so expensive I had to send her home. > She told me about some really weird things that some college > professor did. If any of you > would care to help me out a little maybe I can make it back > to Portland when I have recovered > financially. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, California U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! > > > Hi Jim, I feel sorry for you--in both cases it's your loss! > Dave > PS, Are you sure you don't know Little Lisa? She talks often > of a Jim K. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 9 23:00:32 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:00:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--Now wandering a bit, but still ON TOPIC! In-Reply-To: <20080909.221223.2176.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20080909.221223.2176.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <8D419C4E-4933-4B4F-B6A1-8747E36AC351@alltel.net> LL was NOT at the DEMOCRAT Convention! I assure you that I had her securely bound with duct tape (the same tape that we has used several nights before.) I can also assure you that there was NO WAY she could have worked her way out of that tape! (At least she sure as hell couldn't the night before!) I also locked her bedroom door, so it was impossible that she was at the DC! Dave PS, She was a supporter of Monica's Ex-boyfriend's Wife for President, however! On Sep 10, 2008, at 1:12 AM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi Jim. > I was really surprised that Dave brought up LL. I thought he wouldn't > want to mention her after the spectacle at the Democratic convention. > That was a real scene when she jumped up on the stage and insisted > Hillary be the VP. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:11:06 -0700 "Jim Kirkes" > > writes: >> I had a tough time with LL, the therapy cost a fortune, got >> so expensive I had to send her home. >> She told me about some really weird things that some college >> professor did. If any of you >> would care to help me out a little maybe I can make it back >> to Portland when I have recovered >> financially. >> >> Jim >> >> Jim and Diane Kirkes >> Hemet, California U.S.A. >> jd.kirkes at verizon.net >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Rotigel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! >> >> >> Hi Jim, I feel sorry for you--in both cases it's your loss! >> Dave >> PS, Are you sure you don't know Little Lisa? She talks often >> of a Jim K. > ____________________________________________________________ > Embrace e-commerce and sell your products or services online. Click > now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nqoit8xgitCpbRsC2N5FWm0Jr69kzlFqxNW2tF7Wj5l3pwZ/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 9 23:06:14 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:06:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! In-Reply-To: <44BE7A51EBA746D28CE6D59542C95A74@your46e94owx6a> References: <04923FE0-3BFA-4DC3-8F58-1814AAD69E7A@alltel.net> <99654CE9-7C54-4EA4-8256-F959B8C65A38@alltel.net> <724720DC-31CF-4170-88C0-900B7E5680B6@alltel.net> <44BE7A51EBA746D28CE6D59542C95A74@your46e94owx6a> Message-ID: <5A70C738-EB5B-44B6-94F0-09A911F82E31@alltel.net> Hi Jim, Little Lisa has been here with my wife and me for 5 or 6 years now. When she first started to talk (it took several years) she would always babble on about some Jim K guy and what this man had done to her. ALWAYS sessions like this ended up with her tearing all her clothes off, lying down spread eagle on her bed and sobbing for hours! (I would always cover her with a blanket after 20 minuted, or so, just to be sure she wasn't getting cold.) After several years with us this memory of "Jim K" seemed to pass. (The "Daddy Ron" thing has never gone away completely--but that's to be expected. She was much younger when she was with Daddy Ron!) I have converted a portion of our attic to a bedroom for LL. (With a full bath!) She seems pleased with the arrangement--being here with us and all. Jennie, of course, is a Department Chair at IUP now and that job requires a good bit of travel. LL really enjoys the time in the downstairs when Jennie is in London, or Ireland, or some other place out of the country for a week or two! Little Lisa has a steady job now (about time at the age of 28 I must say!) Her shift starts at about 10:00 pm and she is home by 6:00 each morning. She is making real good money for a young lady of her age with no real education of which to speak. Some nights she brings home $1,000-$1500.00--and it's all cash--read that TAX FREE! She has sure turned whatever assets she acquired while living with Daddy Ron on Poverty Ridge into a good business! Her partner (a guy named Jamboo-- or something like that) gets 60% of her "take" so whatever she does must be of great value to her clients! LL says that Jamboo is the real business man. He has three girls working for him every night--except Wed. when everyone takes a day off. Those young ladies must really be fast at typing, or whatever their skills are--LL sure brings home a lot of money! I charge LL 50% of what she brings home as rent on the attic bedroom/ bathroom that I provide for her. She seems happy with this arrangement and it sure as hell keeps me in engine and show travel money! I intended to bring LL to Baraboo and Portland with me this year. However, she had a new boss that was fighting with her old boss over here, so I thought it would be best if she stayed at home to show both bosses what her talent was and EXACTLY how good she was at what she does! She sure must be VERY good at what it is she does because she now has a new boss and the old boss can't be found! Dave PS, Perhaps next year I can bring Little Lisa to Portland with me! On Sep 10, 2008, at 12:11 AM, Jim Kirkes wrote: > I had a tough time with LL, the therapy cost a fortune, got > so expensive I had to send her home. > She told me about some really weird things that some college > professor did. If any of you > would care to help me out a little maybe I can make it back > to Portland when I have recovered > financially. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, California U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! > > > Hi Jim, I feel sorry for you--in both cases it's your loss! > Dave > PS, Are you sure you don't know Little Lisa? She talks often > of a Jim K. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 04:00:48 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:00:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! In-Reply-To: <44BE7A51EBA746D28CE6D59542C95A74@your46e94owx6a> References: <04923FE0-3BFA-4DC3-8F58-1814AAD69E7A@alltel.net> <99654CE9-7C54-4EA4-8256-F959B8C65A38@alltel.net> <724720DC-31CF-4170-88C0-900B7E5680B6@alltel.net> <44BE7A51EBA746D28CE6D59542C95A74@your46e94owx6a> Message-ID: Just hitch hike Jim. That's how Little Lisa got around. On second thought, you'd probably have a harder time getting picked up than she did, she is better looking. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:11:06 -0700 > From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! > If any of you > would care to help me out a little maybe I can make it back > to Portland when I have recovered > financially. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, California U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 04:55:34 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:55:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Forward Planning - Nuenen 2009 Message-ID: <6f6025160809100455n3d4aee0nb0f094f9540c50ed@mail.gmail.com> Next year's show is on the 30th May and 1st June 2009 at: Schoutse Vennen 15 5674 TK Nuenen The name of the new venue is: Gulbergen We will definitely be going again, the three Onan W3S gennies and the Petter PU8 searchlight genny will come with us, plus I think Martin Perman is hitching a ride with us and he will have his Lister A along. Jerry Evans was thinking about a possible visit, and I don't know if Arnie can wangle a conference or two so he will be there also. The new site is about a mile or so directly south of the old place and just as easy to get to. Google maps will find that address for you. The Hook of Holland ferry port is about 2-1/2 hours drive with a trailer, less with a solo car, Schipol airport isn't that far and the German border is very close to the south. This an event run by engine nuts, 'for' engine nuts, and we hope to have the same beautiful weather that we had this year. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 04:59:57 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:59:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Onan W3S gaskets and magneto spares Message-ID: <6f6025160809100459h4ec936f8u8493caa8deecc4e6@mail.gmail.com> We have ordered a batch of head gaskets for our Onan gennies, they will be ready in about 3-4 weeks. If anyone needs one, we have spares available. Post worldwide if required. We need some magneto points, capacitors and shoulder bushes for the magneto. I have emailed a couple of places including Bill Lopoulos, but if anyone has anything around, even a complete magneto, hive me a shout please. Magneto is a Fairbanks-Morse FM-J Type FE2B690 E = Electrically Screened 2 = No of Cylinders B = flange mounting 69 = D W Onan & Sons build 0 = Year of manufacture (we think) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 05:23:18 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:23:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Forward Planning - Nuenen 2009 In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809100455n3d4aee0nb0f094f9540c50ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160809100455n3d4aee0nb0f094f9540c50ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160809100523y35a486c9k5c7c4f46cee90de5@mail.gmail.com> On 10/09/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > Next year's show is on the 30th May and 1st June 2009 at: 'Scuse the typo: 31st May and 1st June. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Sep 10 07:00:24 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:00:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Peek into the Past... In-Reply-To: <896135.89450.qm@web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Steve: Excellent video! I especially liked the mis-takes at the end. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Steve Barr > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 08:28 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] A Peek into the Past... > > > Over the Labor Day Weekend, The City of Batavia, > IL celebrated its 175th Birthday. As part of it, > Several local collectors brought out engines, > equipment and other items that were made in Batavia. > > I should have my photos up tomorrow, but for now > and some good laughs (it needed a few more edits > and retakes...and maybe a better host)...see the > video at the link below. > > http://blip.tv/file/1236275 > > Steve From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 07:23:46 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] A Peek into the Past... In-Reply-To: <896135.89450.qm@web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <248790.46883.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks, Steve. Nice Job !!!! I really enjoyed that. Just yesterday I was wondering if you would respond to the "engine finishes" topic. 8>)) I don't remember that mix you told me about. Alan in Michigan --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Steve Barr wrote: > From: Steve Barr > Subject: [SEL] A Peek into the Past... > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 9:27 PM > Over the Labor Day Weekend, The City of Batavia, IL > celebrated its 175th Birthday. As part of it, Several > local collectors brought out engines, equipment and other > items that were made in Batavia. > > I should have my photos up tomorrow, but for now and some > good laughs (it needed a few more edits and retakes...and > maybe a better host)...see the video at the link below. > http://blip.tv/file/1236275 ? > Steve From enginepaul at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 07:26:39 2008 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:26:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <0K6Y009DCKM1CK59@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> <00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <679F5F61-5709-4434-80C1-787920AB370D@rustyiron.com> <8d3c36fb0809051110x25b747dftc2376072a6dffc4@mail.gmail.com> <0K6W009ATQH2BW59@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <8d3c36fb0809082218q3cf0a469o19bad4be6bad6242@mail.gmail.com> <0K6Y009DCKM1CK59@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0809100726s6a25ad5ek31350d97172ba815@mail.gmail.com> "Well with those ridiculous stipulations, one wonders why he would have wanted to be in the rental business there in the first place." Manufactures look at their businesses the same way. Investors do the same; if there is more money elsewhere, just go. I sold my rentals in SanFran and went elsewhere. The price dropped after I bought, but that's just business and politics merging. Keep your old tools, they may be worth more than your engines some day. Enough OT for me. Paul in SanFran From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 10 08:13:22 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:13:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1221059602.48c7e4129ea00@webmail.city-net.com> Maytags? Quoting peter ogborne : > I am waiting for that tabboo subject in the US to raise > it's head again! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kangas, James G." > This whole "vice-grip"? thread has nothing to do with engines. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 10 08:26:40 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:26:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: <1221059602.48c7e4129ea00@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000a01c91359$a0861a50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> sootikins > Maytags? > >> I am waiting for that tabboo subject in the US to raise >> it's head again! >> From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 10 08:35:49 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:35:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! In-Reply-To: <20080909.220643.2176.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20080909.220643.2176.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <1221060949.48c7e95554a96@webmail.city-net.com> Neo-Druid Dead Puppy Cult, please... Se ya, Arnie Quoting rdhaskell at juno.com: > Wasn't there the dead puppy druids also? > > Ron Haskell From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Sep 10 08:55:57 2008 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:55:57 EDT Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: In a message dated 9/10/2008 10:36:25 AM Central Daylight Time, kerogas at sbcglobal.net writes: sootikins > Maytags? Chuck, you continue to amaze. I look to your linguistic abilities with reverent awe. Do you suppose it was a sootikin I found in the intake of one of my B&S WMB's? I had thought it might be part of a mouse nest but now am not sure. I can see how it would get there, but don't really like thinking about it all that much. Ron **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 09:02:01 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:02:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2009 Message-ID: I just booked our room at the Holiday Inn in Portland, Indiana from Tuesday Aug.25 thru Saturday Aug.29 for the Portland 2009 show. The Super 8 had one smoking room left. Holiday Inn books 50 weeks in advance which is right now. If you plan on going to the Portland show in 2009 you better reserve your room now. Just an FYI..... Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Sep 10 12:22:43 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:22:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines Message-ID: Why were so many of the early gas engines' speed governed by hit n' miss rather then regulating the fuel/air volume? Why do these same early engines have such a poor power to weight ratio? Jim kangas ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Sep 10 13:13:58 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:13:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines Message-ID: <20080910.131358.1076.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:22:43 -0400 "Kangas, James G." writes: > Why were so many of the early gas engines' speed governed by hit n' > miss rather then regulating the fuel/air volume? Someone's idea of the best way to go. If you did not require a constant speed or have a constant load, it was much more fuel efficient. > Why do these same early engines have such a poor power to weight > ratio? > Jim kangas They were made to last. The thought of making it just barely strong enough to do the job for a year or two was not a goal. Also metallurgy was not high tech. Those are the short answers. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Save on airline tickets - click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nMQmATcdUvFfTkUAWtGokmIPrA81E2eWQNszG0rcmTaZLet/ From obise at moscow.com Wed Sep 10 15:11:50 2008 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:11:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200809102212.m8AMC6LK048365@mail-gw.fsr.net> My guesses are embedded within the original text. Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kangas, James G. Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:23 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines Why were so many of the early gas engines' speed governed by hit n' miss rather then regulating the fuel/air volume? * Perhaps hit and miss were simpler to design. Right off the top of my head, besides throttle mechanisms it seems as though the early throttle governed engines required air valves, such as those found on F-M and IHC engines and Schebler carbs. Then came venturi carbs and the gradual scaling down of engines. * In my experience hit and miss run cooler and the hoppers don't boil dry nearly as fast as throttle-governed. Why do these same early engines have such a poor power to weight ratio? Jim kangas * I suspect that precedent played a large role in the mind-set. First came slow RPM steam engines with large bores. The next step in the evolution of engines was to make them internal combustion. Of course, slow RPM demands the use of large flywheels, something that doesn't help the power-to-weight ratio one bit. What inventor would have thought of a building small bore, high RPM engine? It certainly wouldn't have occurred to me. * The same thing happened with traction engines. Steamers were monsters. So were the first ones of the IC-engine powered variety. The eventual development of small gas tractors was somewhat revolutionary. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Sep 10 15:21:40 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:21:40 +0800 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: <1221059602.48c7e4129ea00@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <2AE25D2C1226432E8563A4F2E41E0E56@your9e74d7efa7> No Arnie,not Maytags, as a matter of fact I would very much like to own a Maytag.The tabboo subject was one that I would rather not venture into again as it ceratainly raised a few hackles! Best left alone and in any case it was a home grown issue[US] and not for me to comment on. Things are fairly peaceful on the list at the moment! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > Maytags? > > Quoting peter ogborne : > >> I am waiting for that tabboo subject in the US to raise >> it's head again! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kangas, James G." >> This whole "vice-grip"? thread has nothing to do with engines. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Sep 10 15:23:00 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:23:00 +0800 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: <1221059602.48c7e4129ea00@webmail.city-net.com> <000a01c91359$a0861a50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <1062C3507B9D4EEB81956F39BC93DFF6@your9e74d7efa7> You will have to translate sootikins into English ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > > sootikins > >> Maytags? > >> >>> I am waiting for that tabboo subject in the US to raise >>> it's head again! >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Sep 10 15:42:17 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:42:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A Peek into the Past... In-Reply-To: <896135.89450.qm@web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <0K6W009ATQH2BW59@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <896135.89450.qm@web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080911084141.016d1050@ncable.com.au> Steve that was pretty neat. thanks for posting. Russell At 11:27 AM 10/09/2008, you wrote: >Over the Labor Day Weekend, The City of Batavia, IL celebrated its >175th Birthday. As part of it, Several local collectors brought >out engines, equipment and other items that were made in Batavia. > >I should have my photos up tomorrow, but for now and some good >laughs (it needed a few more edits and retakes...and maybe a better >host)...see the video at the link below. > >http://blip.tv/file/1236275 > >Steve >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Sep 10 15:44:42 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:44:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engine clubs in Louisiana Message-ID: <001701c91396$d2def8e0$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi all I have a new guy on the R&V Register who is looking for a club near Baton Rouge, Louisiana or within reasonable driving Distance. Maybe even Mississippi. He is new the hobby and I want to keep him keen. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 10 15:58:07 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:58:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines References: <20080910.131358.1076.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <004e01c91398$b166a260$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Someone's idea of the best way to go. If you did not require a constant > speed or have a constant load, it was much more fuel efficient. > >>>>>>> Cadillac won some awards for that idea huh ? >> Why do these same early engines have such a poor power to weight >> ratio? >> Jim kangas > They were made to last. The thought of making it just barely strong > enough to do the job for a year or two was not a goal. Also metallurgy > was not high tech. Those are the short answers. If you want to improve the ratio , you have to spin it a lot faster , and it is much cheaper tolerance and materials wise to build a slow speed engine . A good smith could cast the iron , do his own machining , build a reliable product and turn a profit . A bunch of them did , everybody wanted a piece . As power to weight increases so does the level of complication . And there were people who did it a long time ago .This one went into production in 1917 and made 450hp @ 2000 rpm @ 800lbs wt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU0X461IPCw&feature=related Certainly there is an older and faster one . Ferro had a V8 a year before that , and producing it put Scripps Booth into recievership . And that is STILL the short answer . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 10 16:00:13 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:00:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: <1221059602.48c7e4129ea00@webmail.city-net.com><000a01c91359$a0861a50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <1062C3507B9D4EEB81956F39BC93DFF6@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <005901c91398$fc209400$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I assure you , it is entirely English in origin . > You will have to translate sootikins into English ! >> >> sootikins >> >>> Maytags? >> >>> >>>> I am waiting for that tabboo subject in the US to raise >>>> it's head again!>>>>>>>>> From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Sep 10 16:28:28 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:28:28 +0800 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: <1221059602.48c7e4129ea00@webmail.city-net.com><000a01c91359$a0861a50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><1062C3507B9D4EEB81956F39BC93DFF6@your9e74d7efa7> <005901c91398$fc209400$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <43274E859F7C4F8EB3E67BC9AAA011F4@your9e74d7efa7> Chuck...it may be English in origin, most words we use are ,It may be that it is a term that is used in the US . My delving into dictionarys refers to soot ,a black powder that adhers to the insides of chimneys.We all know that ,if there is another meaning it is unknown to me.Perhaps it is some mushy term used for a child.Anyway if it is offensive lets know off list .always ready to learn ,could save embarrasment as there is a US navy ship in the harbour celebrating the ''Great White Fleet'' of 1909 ,they visited our little town . Get out your Gob hats ,the Yanks are in town tonight .I warned some of the local girls ,could be a Hot Time in Town tonight! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) >I assure you , it is entirely English in origin . > > > >> You will have to translate sootikins into English ! > >>> >>> sootikins >>> >>>> Maytags? >>> >>>> >>>>> I am waiting for that tabboo subject in the US to raise >>>>> it's head again!>>>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Sep 10 17:46:37 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:46:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <43274E859F7C4F8EB3E67BC9AAA011F4@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: A nickname for a dirty little kid? Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of peter > ogborne > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 06:28 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > ...............................snip........................... > >>> sootikins From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Sep 10 17:00:30 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:00:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines References: <200809102212.m8AMC6LK048365@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: "* In my experience hit and miss run cooler and the hoppers don't boil dry nearly as fast as throttle-governed. " I didn't think of that and it would made scense if the engine only fired once in a while. If the engine is working under load does it still miss or do they fire constantly? Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Orrin B Iseminger Sent: Wed 9/10/2008 6:11 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines My guesses are embedded within the original text. Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kangas, James G. Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:23 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines Why were so many of the early gas engines' speed governed by hit n' miss rather then regulating the fuel/air volume? * Perhaps hit and miss were simpler to design. Right off the top of my head, besides throttle mechanisms it seems as though the early throttle governed engines required air valves, such as those found on F-M and IHC engines and Schebler carbs. Then came venturi carbs and the gradual scaling down of engines. * In my experience hit and miss run cooler and the hoppers don't boil dry nearly as fast as throttle-governed. Why do these same early engines have such a poor power to weight ratio? Jim kangas * I suspect that precedent played a large role in the mind-set. First came slow RPM steam engines with large bores. The next step in the evolution of engines was to make them internal combustion. Of course, slow RPM demands the use of large flywheels, something that doesn't help the power-to-weight ratio one bit. What inventor would have thought of a building small bore, high RPM engine? It certainly wouldn't have occurred to me. * The same thing happened with traction engines. Steamers were monsters. So were the first ones of the IC-engine powered variety. The eventual development of small gas tractors was somewhat revolutionary. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Sep 10 17:05:42 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:05:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines References: <20080910.131358.1076.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> <004e01c91398$b166a260$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: I wasn't familiar with that engine.Thanks for the tip.I know that much improved engines started to appear in the WW I period. Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Chuck Balyeat Sent: Wed 9/10/2008 6:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines > Someone's idea of the best way to go. If you did not require a constant > speed or have a constant load, it was much more fuel efficient. > >>>>>>> Cadillac won some awards for that idea huh ? >> Why do these same early engines have such a poor power to weight >> ratio? >> Jim kangas > They were made to last. The thought of making it just barely strong > enough to do the job for a year or two was not a goal. Also metallurgy > was not high tech. Those are the short answers. If you want to improve the ratio , you have to spin it a lot faster , and it is much cheaper tolerance and materials wise to build a slow speed engine . A good smith could cast the iron , do his own machining , build a reliable product and turn a profit . A bunch of them did , everybody wanted a piece . As power to weight increases so does the level of complication . And there were people who did it a long time ago .This one went into production in 1917 and made 450hp @ 2000 rpm @ 800lbs wt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU0X461IPCw&feature=related Certainly there is an older and faster one . Ferro had a V8 a year before that , and producing it put Scripps Booth into recievership . And that is STILL the short answer . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Wed Sep 10 17:15:11 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:15:11 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Sootikins? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C8630F.7010009@optusnet.com.au> > >>> sootikins Sounds very Enid Blyton to me - a little blackkitten? JW? From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Sep 10 17:31:08 2008 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:31:08 EDT Subject: [SEL] Sootikins? Message-ID: In a message dated 9/10/2008 7:25:52 PM Central Daylight Time, nadejack at optusnet.com.au writes: >>> sootikins Sounds very Enid Blyton to me - a little blackkitten? JW? Here's what I found: _The Sootikin Thread_ (http://www.jomiller.com/personal/sootikin.html) Ron **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Sep 10 18:11:45 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:11:45 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Sootikins? References: <48C8630F.7010009@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <90A84859710547349ADFD8A43FCAA2DE@your9e74d7efa7> Thats what I thought Jack! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:15 AM Subject: [SEL] Sootikins? > > >>>> sootikins > Sounds very Enid Blyton to me - a little blackkitten? > JW? > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Sep 10 18:17:00 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:17:00 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Sootikins? References: Message-ID: So it is English in origin ....the old Friday night bath ,or lack of. They tell me it is a myth about the English and their bath habits .Must say on my visits to the UK never saw a bath tub only a sort of a shower arrangement .....now in Wales it was a different matter ,biggest bath tub I have ever seen . Lets get a way from this subject! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sootikins? > > In a message dated 9/10/2008 7:25:52 PM Central Daylight Time, > nadejack at optusnet.com.au writes: > >>>> sootikins > Sounds very Enid Blyton to me - a little blackkitten? > JW? > > > Here's what I found: _The Sootikin Thread_ > (http://www.jomiller.com/personal/sootikin.html) > Ron > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion > blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 10 18:34:53 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:34:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <2AE25D2C1226432E8563A4F2E41E0E56@your9e74d7efa7> References: <1221059602.48c7e4129ea00@webmail.city-net.com> <2AE25D2C1226432E8563A4F2E41E0E56@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <1221096893.48c875bdb0f6b@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Pete, Ya know you can get help for that? See ya, Arnie Quoting peter ogborne : > No Arnie,not Maytags, as a matter of fact I would very much like to own a > Maytag. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 19:02:58 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <551446.9319.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, If you load a hit n miss engine until it is hitting every time you are working it too hard. Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Kangas, James G. wrote: From: Kangas, James G. Subject: Re: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 8:00 PM "* In my experience hit and miss run cooler and the hoppers don't boil dry nearly as fast as throttle-governed. " I didn't think of that and it would made scense if the engine only fired once in a while. If the engine is working under load does it still miss or do they fire constantly? Jim From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Sep 10 19:14:57 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:14:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines References: <551446.9319.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I didn't know that.I thought it would be like a modern governed engine in that it would work at full output under load and drop back to idle or in the case of hit n' miss, start missing when there was little or no load. Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Alan Sent: Wed 9/10/2008 10:02 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines Hi Jim, If you load a hit n miss engine until it is hitting every time you are working it too hard. Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Kangas, James G. wrote: From: Kangas, James G. Subject: Re: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 8:00 PM "* In my experience hit and miss run cooler and the hoppers don't boil dry nearly as fast as throttle-governed. " I didn't think of that and it would made scense if the engine only fired once in a while. If the engine is working under load does it still miss or do they fire constantly? Jim _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 10 19:37:44 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:37:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sootikins? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1221100664.48c8847819cae@webmail.city-net.com> ROFLMAO!! Damn Ron, that's right up there with the bovine uterine prolapse thread!! 8-))) Methinks "sootikins" has just entered SEL lore forever. See ya, Arnie Quoting MaytagTwin at aol.com: > Here's what I found: _The Sootikin Thread_ > (http://www.jomiller.com/personal/sootikin.html) From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 11 06:18:52 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:18:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sootikins? References: <1221100664.48c8847819cae@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <001801c91410$eff4cd40$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> It's merely simple word association , that's all . You say Maytags , and I think sootikins . Chuck From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 11 06:21:12 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:21:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines References: <551446.9319.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003601c91411$43536c30$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > > If you load a hit n miss engine until it is hitting every time you are > working it too hard. > > Alan in Michigan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And when the Monitor VJ stalls and stops , the icecream is ready . Chuck From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 11 06:52:22 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:52:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines References: <621781.71045.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a301c91415$9e0ed250$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Well you better not take the handle off the mixer then . >I love that one Chuck!!!!! > That is what I am doing to a Mayatg twin. 8>)) > > Alan >> And when the Monitor VJ stalls and stops , the icecream is >> ready . >> >> Chuck From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 07:03:00 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Engine clubs in Louisiana In-Reply-To: <001701c91396$d2def8e0$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <384960.21499.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Peter, He is very close to The Laurel Valley Heritage Festivals in Thibodaux,LA Their Fall festival is October 18. Phone contact is Paul Leslie (985) 447-5216 Email is jpl at charter.net There is one going on RIGHT NOW that is a little farther away in Purvis, Mississippi. This is Dixiland Old Engine Club Engine Show. It looks like a club that doesn't have it's own land because the show is at Industrial park off HWY 11. And they have another show in April in another city. The April show is at the fairgrounds in Lauel, Mississippi. I hope this info helps. Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Peter Lowe wrote: > From: Peter Lowe > Subject: [SEL] Engine clubs in Louisiana > To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine.org" > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 6:44 PM > Hi all > I have a new guy on the R&V Register who is looking for > a club near Baton > Rouge, Louisiana or within reasonable driving Distance. > Maybe even > Mississippi. > He is new the hobby and I want to keep him keen. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Sep 11 08:05:48 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:05:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sootikins? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ron: I'm sorry I asked! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > MaytagTwin at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 07:31 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Sootikins? > > > > In a message dated 9/10/2008 7:25:52 PM Central > Daylight Time, > nadejack at optusnet.com.au writes: > > >>> sootikins > Sounds very Enid Blyton to me - a little blackkitten? > JW? > > > Here's what I found: _The Sootikin Thread_ > (http://www.jomiller.com/personal/sootikin.html) > Ron From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Sep 11 11:13:57 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:13:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Show pics are up Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080911201259.01f1ea18@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Our show pics are up at last. They're here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/vow08/index.htm Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu Sep 11 12:04:31 2008 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:04:31 EDT Subject: [SEL] Sootikins? Message-ID: In a message dated 9/11/2008 8:26:10 AM Central Daylight Time, kerogas at sbcglobal.net writes: It's merely simple word association , that's all . You say Maytags , and I think sootikins . Chuck _______________________________________________ I'll do my best to not make that association. Thanks. Ron **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 11 15:14:08 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:14:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines In-Reply-To: <551446.9319.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <551446.9319.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <326DA2E5-3389-4A5A-8C4A-8F90986CEBFA@alltel.net> Hi Jim and Alan, While it's almost true that a hit and miss governed engine should not hit "every time", it's only ALMOST true. Several things must be considered. 1.) The great majority of hit and miss engines are 4 cycle. Four cycle engines "hit" only every other time. 2.) Hit and miss engines that were used in various applications would "hit" every other time while under load for a SHORT time. (Consider, please, a buzz saw rig, or a lift [as when elevating a boat up to dry dock, or a load of bricks to the top of a structure being built.]) In such cases the engine would hit" every other time for, say, 5-10 seconds and then return to "hitting" only once in a while. 3.) On other (most???) applications Alan is correct--if the engine is "hitting" every other time over (most of the time) you should get a bigger engine. Dave PS, Yes, I know about 2 cycle engines! The MAYTAG single is the most common, but no one has ever seen one running, so that does not count! PPS, Ask any real engine collector "Do you own any MAYTAG MOTORS." If he/she/it responds "No" you can rest assured that he/she/it is a LIER and CAN NOT be trusted! PPPS, How was that last PS for being politically correct? -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Sep 10, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Alan wrote: > Hi Jim, > > If you load a hit n miss engine until it is hitting every time you > are working it too hard. > > Alan in Michigan > > > --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Kangas, James G. wrote: > From: Kangas, James G. > Subject: Re: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 8:00 PM > > "* In my experience hit and miss run cooler and the hoppers don't > boil dry nearly as fast as throttle-governed. " > > I didn't think of that and it would made scense if the engine only > fired once in a while. If the engine is working under load does it > still miss or do they fire constantly? Jim From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 16:14:14 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines In-Reply-To: <326DA2E5-3389-4A5A-8C4A-8F90986CEBFA@alltel.net> Message-ID: <766271.67218.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dave, "Hitting every time" means,,,, Hitting on every compression stroke. Only engine guys that don't know how to file points and clean them have problems making a Maytag engine run. OR,,, They DO know HOW to make them run,,,, They just HATE that loud smoking single so much that they claim they never run. 8>))))) I took that stupid Shotgun Maytag to Buckley this year and folks loved it. Well,,, Everyone except me. I sure hope at least one of my three Maytag washing machines will accept a twin engine. I refuse to put a loud, smokey, single on a washer and take it to a show. Alan --- On Thu, 9/11/08, David Rotigel wrote: > From: David Rotigel > Subject: Re: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 6:14 PM > Hi Jim and Alan, > While it's almost true that a hit and miss governed > engine should not > hit "every time", it's only ALMOST true. > Several things must be > considered. > 1.) The great majority of hit and miss engines are 4 > cycle. Four > cycle engines "hit" only every other time. > 2.) Hit and miss engines that were used in various > applications > would "hit" every other time while under load for > a SHORT time. > (Consider, please, a buzz saw rig, or a lift [as when > elevating a boat up to dry dock, or a load of bricks to > the top of > a structure being built.]) In such cases the engine would > hit" every > other time for, say, 5-10 seconds and then return to > "hitting" > only once in a while. > 3.) On other (most???) applications Alan is correct--if > the engine > is "hitting" every other time over (most of the > time) you should get a > bigger engine. > Dave > PS, Yes, I know about 2 cycle engines! The MAYTAG single is > the most > common, but no one has ever seen one running, so that does > not count! > PPS, Ask any real engine collector "Do you own any > MAYTAG MOTORS." If > he/she/it responds "No" you can rest assured that > he/she/it is a LIER > and CAN NOT be trusted! > PPPS, How was that last PS for being politically correct? > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Sep 10, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Alan wrote: > > > Hi Jim, > > > > If you load a hit n miss engine until it is hitting > every time you > > are working it too hard. > > > > Alan in Michigan > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Kangas, James G. > wrote: > > From: Kangas, James G. > > Subject: Re: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss > engines > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 8:00 PM > > > > "* In my experience hit and miss run cooler and > the hoppers don't > > boil dry nearly as fast as throttle-governed. " > > > > I didn't think of that and it would made scense if > the engine only > > fired once in a while. If the engine is working under > load does it > > still miss or do they fire constantly? Jim > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 11 16:34:15 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:34:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines In-Reply-To: <766271.67218.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <766271.67218.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sep 11, 2008, at 7:14 PM, Alan wrote: > Hi Dave, > "Hitting every time" means,,,, Hitting on every compression stroke. > Alan OK, So "hitting every time" means hitting every other time. Are you a DEMOCRAT? Dave From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 17:16:21 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <833002.98063.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I didn't say that. Can you read???? You even imagining me saying an engine should hit on an exhaust stroke makes me wonder what kind of funny water you are drinking. 8>)) Don't get within range of any of my guns and call me THAT!!!! 8>)) Alan --- On Thu, 9/11/08, David Rotigel wrote: > From: David Rotigel > Subject: Re: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 7:34 PM > On Sep 11, 2008, at 7:14 PM, Alan wrote: > > > Hi Dave, > > "Hitting every time" means,,,, Hitting on > every compression stroke. > > Alan > > OK, So "hitting every time" means hitting every > other time. Are you a > DEMOCRAT? > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 11 17:43:51 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:43:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines In-Reply-To: <833002.98063.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <833002.98063.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9FD60115-91F6-49EF-AD39-EC77DE31C85A@alltel.net> > Don't get within range of any of my guns and call me THAT!!!! 8>)) > Alan Shoot straight my friend--for you will only have ONE SHOT! Dave From george at irontrader.com Thu Sep 11 19:15:17 2008 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:15:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Forward Planning - Nuenen 2009 In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809100455n3d4aee0nb0f094f9540c50ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160809100455n3d4aee0nb0f094f9540c50ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002101c9147d$669ca820$33d5f860$@com> Peter, I'm planning on being there! Not sure if I'll do a tourist tour after the show or try to put on another guided engine tour like we did in 2006. In either case, I plan on being at Nuenen!!!!! George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:56 AM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; Stationary-Engine Subject: [SEL] Forward Planning - Nuenen 2009 Next year's show is on the 30th May and 1st June 2009 at: Schoutse Vennen 15 5674 TK Nuenen The name of the new venue is: Gulbergen We will definitely be going again, the three Onan W3S gennies and the Petter PU8 searchlight genny will come with us, plus I think Martin Perman is hitching a ride with us and he will have his Lister A along. Jerry Evans was thinking about a possible visit, and I don't know if Arnie can wangle a conference or two so he will be there also. The new site is about a mile or so directly south of the old place and just as easy to get to. Google maps will find that address for you. The Hook of Holland ferry port is about 2-1/2 hours drive with a trailer, less with a solo car, Schipol airport isn't that far and the German border is very close to the south. This an event run by engine nuts, 'for' engine nuts, and we hope to have the same beautiful weather that we had this year. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fanmanj4 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 20:10:20 2008 From: fanmanj4 at yahoo.com (Jay Bernard) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Engine clubs in Louisiana Message-ID: <2543.39020.qm@web55901.mail.re3.yahoo.com> The local club in SE louisiana is?"The Bayou old time engine and power assoc." A great group of guys, of which i am a part of.? I'm also the voulenteer at the Laurel valley village that keeps the old tractors and engines running.?? ?Jay M Bernard Thibodaux, LA ----- Original Message ---- From: Alan To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:03:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine clubs in Louisiana Hi Peter, He is very close to The Laurel Valley Heritage Festivals in Thibodaux,LA Their Fall festival is October 18. Phone contact is Paul Leslie? (985) 447-5216 Email is jpl at charter.net There is one going on RIGHT NOW that is a little farther away in Purvis, Mississippi. This is Dixiland Old Engine Club Engine Show. It looks like a club that doesn't have it's own land because the show is at Industrial park off HWY 11.? And they have another show in April in another city. The April show is at the fairgrounds in Lauel, Mississippi. I hope this info helps. Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Peter Lowe wrote: > From: Peter Lowe > Subject: [SEL] Engine clubs in Louisiana > To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine.org" > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 6:44 PM > Hi all > I have a new guy on the R&V Register who is looking for > a club near Baton > Rouge, Louisiana or within reasonable driving Distance. > Maybe even > Mississippi. > He is new the hobby and I want to keep him keen. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 23:49:07 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:49:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Forward Planning - Nuenen 2009 In-Reply-To: <002101c9147d$669ca820$33d5f860$@com> References: <6f6025160809100455n3d4aee0nb0f094f9540c50ed@mail.gmail.com> <002101c9147d$669ca820$33d5f860$@com> Message-ID: <6f6025160809112349v206674c3pda8ffce6e89d0957@mail.gmail.com> On 12/09/2008, George Best wrote: > Peter, > > I'm planning on being there! Not sure if I'll do a tourist tour after the > show or try to put on another guided engine tour like we did in 2006. > In either case, I plan on being at Nuenen!!!!! > > George > We have booked and paid for the ferry for the van and trailer etc, we'll be there on the Friday afternoon, setting up on Saturday, same as this year. Four of us going, Rita, Philip and me, plus one of our friends, Martin Perman who will be bringing his own engine. Philip will be going in his own car and taking another engine or two, we will be bringing the Onan and Petter PU8 gennies. Might have room for the Petter AV1 genny as well. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 01:02:40 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:02:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Buckley Show pictures Message-ID: <6f6025160809120102r48729a6cne135d2763baa727d@mail.gmail.com> We have finally finished editing the Portland stuff, now we are onto the Buckley pictures. The first menu page will be up on the websites by 09.15GMT, with a lot of steam stuff in there. Note that this menu page is NOT yet connected to the main website menus, that will be done later. Subsequent menu pages will be added and they WILL be linked at the bottom of this first menu page. http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Buckley08/Buckley08Menu1.htm or on the US server at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Buckley08/Buckley08Menu1.htm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Sep 12 05:16:03 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:16:03 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Show pics are up In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20080911201259.01f1ea18@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080911201259.01f1ea18@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Great pictures Jerry. Loved the ones of the little girl and gorilla! Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:13:57 +0200> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: jerrye at databak.co.za> Subject: [SEL] Show pics are up> > Hi Guys,> Our show pics are up at last.> > They're here:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/vow08/index.htm> > Keep the revs up (or down)> Jerry Evans> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:> > > _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Sep 12 09:48:20 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:48:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules 4 cylinder wiring Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I picked up this four cylinder Hercules last year: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/MVC-242F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/MVC-243F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/MVC-244F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/MVC-245F.JPG I'm looking at getting it up and running. I'm not sure how I need to go about finishing up the wiring for it. Here is how it is wired right now. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/wiring.jpg What do I need to do to set it up correctly? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Fri Sep 12 10:10:49 2008 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:10:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pictures Message-ID: Jerry, Peter, and all who take the time and trouble to make the pictures available to the rest of us - thank you all, from a grateful pilgrim. You make the shows come alive for all who can't be there. That Avery puts the other steam traction to shame - twin cylinder, geared steering... Makes the others look so crude. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From jdohagan at comcast.net Fri Sep 12 12:15:19 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:15:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine finishs Message-ID: <20080912191518.474E165B465@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hey ,thanks everyone for the recipes for the boiled linseed oil coatings. Cya, Jimmy Jim O'Hagan From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 12 14:27:13 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:27:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hercules 4 cylinder wiring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F2DAB1A-6C9F-4757-880F-4574B4025E55@alltel.net> Hi Luke, Isn't this the same engine that Glenn has in his Hercules Express? If so, he should have pictures that would help you. Dave On Sep 12, 2008, at 12:48 PM, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I picked up this four cylinder Hercules last year: > > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/MVC-242F.JPG > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/MVC-243F.JPG > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/MVC-244F.JPG > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/MVC-245F.JPG > > > > I'm looking at getting it up and running. I'm not sure how I need to > go about finishing up the wiring for it. Here is how it is wired > right now. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/wiring.jpg > > > What do I need to do to set it up correctly? > > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Fri Sep 12 18:47:48 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:47:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A source for rings Message-ID: <20080913014748.D6AF64C8C46@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi, I may need a source for 7?x1/2 ? rings. The suppliers on Harry?s and GEM mag.stop at 6 or 6 ??. My old supplier in Washington passed away a few years ago and I don?t know if any one took over the little business. I?d like to find something off the shelf rather than custom .Any one have a good source? Thanks for any help,Jimmy Jim O'Hagan From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 12 20:38:47 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:38:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A source for rings In-Reply-To: <20080913014748.D6AF64C8C46@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20080913014748.D6AF64C8C46@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <1221277127.48cb35c7f0fcb@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Jim, Get in touch with Craig Prucha at cprucha at antique-engine.com. I think he can help you. http://www.antique-engine.com/ See ya, Arnie Quoting Jim O'Hagan : > Hi, I may need a source for 7?x1/2 ? rings. The suppliers on Harry?s and GEM > mag.stop at 6 or 6 ??. My old supplier in Washington passed away a few > years ago and I don?t know if any one took over the little business. I?d > like to find something off the shelf rather than custom .Any one have a good > source? Thanks for any help,Jimmy From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Sep 12 21:38:12 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:38:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A source for rings In-Reply-To: <20080913014748.D6AF64C8C46@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20080913014748.D6AF64C8C46@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080913003053.02f91620@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Jim, Otto Gas Engine works will have them. Contact Dave Reed at otto at dol.net otto at dol.net or phone: 410-398-7340 ---------- or snail mail: Otto Gas Engine Works 2167 Blue Ball Rd Elkton MD 21921-3330 E Maytag Mark At 09:47 PM 9/12/08, you wrote: >Hi, I may need a source for 7?x1/2 ? rings. The suppliers on Harry?s and GEM >mag.stop at 6 or 6 ??. My old supplier in Washington passed away a few >years ago and I don?t know if any one took over the little business. I?d >like to find something off the shelf rather than custom .Any one have a good >source? Thanks for any help,Jimmy > > > >Jim O'Hagan > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 12 21:58:54 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:58:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Vice Now LL (Bout the same!) In-Reply-To: <20080909.221223.2176.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20080909.221223.2176.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <132A9B6C-9CDF-4F24-9FB9-C8EF2E55D3FA@alltel.net> Hi Ron, Those early years with Daddy Ron left their mark on LL. His teacher union affiliation has left a "black mark" on her soul! Jennie and I have tried to educate her properly re: self help and individual effort. But, all she says is "The government owes me........" and "Government and the DEMOCRATS will take care of me." Several weeks ago I discovered her voting registration card and sent it in stating that she had moved to FL and would be voting there from now on. We got a letter back indicating that the Greensburg records had been corrected and that she had been taken off the county voting list. I did this not out of malace or hatred for the DEMOCRAT party, but simply to protect LL (and others in our nation) against the dark side of the force. You must understand that (although Daddy Ron is LL's biological father) I love here as if she was my own. As long as I'm looking at the green side of the grass, I'l never allow LL to harm herself by voting DEMOCRAT! As Ann Coulter has pointed out it was the right to vote given to women that is at the base of the current movement toward communism in our great nation! The 19th was a VERY poor move on the part of those currently in control. Having said that it is interesting to note that Sarah Palin has "taken off" in the past two weeks since the Republican Convention. BHO is now down by 4 points and it seems that the only way he can gain back the lead is to take Bill's advice to BHO to BOINK an Intern. Bill has offered M. Alldunb and/or J. Reno--neither of which the CHOSEN ONE has decided upon as yet. Hillary has not been placed on the table as yet--so when that happens we will need to follow it closely! As for LL at the convention, I have forgiven her for her outburst. She was simply overcome with emotion and could stand it no longer. What's a poor girl to do when, with all her heart and soul she supports Monica's ex-boyfriend's WIFE for President? Any red blooded woman would do the same thing, if in LL's shoes! I'm very proud of LL as a women! In any event, I've taken LL's shoes away for 60 days. She is to stay in the house and not even answer the door nor the phone. Additionally, LL has signed an absentee voting form and has voted straight Republican for the first time in her life. I'm so proud of the little girl that I may allow her to come out of her bedroom for a brief period on Tuesday! Dave On Sep 10, 2008, at 1:12 AM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi Jim. > I was really surprised that Dave brought up LL. I thought he wouldn't > want to mention her after the spectacle at the Democratic convention. > That was a real scene when she jumped up on the stage and insisted > Hillary be the VP. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:11:06 -0700 "Jim Kirkes" > > writes: >> I had a tough time with LL, the therapy cost a fortune, got >> so expensive I had to send her home. >> She told me about some really weird things that some college >> professor did. If any of you >> would care to help me out a little maybe I can make it back >> to Portland when I have recovered >> financially. >> >> Jim >> >> Jim and Diane Kirkes >> Hemet, California U.S.A. >> jd.kirkes at verizon.net >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Rotigel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! >> >> >> Hi Jim, I feel sorry for you--in both cases it's your loss! >> Dave >> PS, Are you sure you don't know Little Lisa? She talks often >> of a Jim K. > ____________________________________________________________ > Embrace e-commerce and sell your products or services online. Click > now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nqoit8xgitCpbRsC2N5FWm0Jr69kzlFqxNW2tF7Wj5l3pwZ/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Sep 12 22:33:44 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:33:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A source for rings In-Reply-To: <20080913014748.D6AF64C8C46@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20080913014748.D6AF64C8C46@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <7703BD66-4884-4065-8AC0-47EABC39E9C5@rustyiron.com> On Sep 12, 2008, at 6:47 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Hi, I may need a source for 7?x1/2 ? rings. The suppliers on Harry?s > and GEM > mag.stop at 6 or 6 ??. My old supplier in Washington passed away a > few > years ago and I don?t know if any one took over the little business. > I?d > like to find something off the shelf rather than custom .Any one > have a good > source? Thanks for any help,Jimmy http://www.dol.net/~dave.reed/otto.html From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 13 00:04:13 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:04:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives Message-ID: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi all Just found by accident and probably you Aussie collectors already know about it, a web site called Picture Australia which is linked the NSW State Library and others. I did a search on Moffat Virtue and found this page: http://www.pictureaustralia.org/apps/pictureaustralia?term1=moffat+virtue&loc1=&attribute1=any+field&op6=and&mode=search One of the photos is this one, it is a large photo but take the time to load it if on Dialup (200Kb) and read carefully the sign on the engine in the cage. Balanced on four glasses only and not bolted down and running. I have one of these V2 2hp MV engines which were only offered for a few years before the V3 series MV engines in 2 1/4hp & 3hp took over. My little 2hp also runs like a clock, so does the V3 3hp. http://libapp.sl.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/spydus/RECOPT/PM/FULL1/810/35259,1?http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/hood/313/31389h.jpg Also searches on other models below take you to the Victorian State Library, The War Memorial site, South Australian Library etc: Baltic Simplex Engine Ronaldson Tippett Engine Crossley Engine Sundial Engine (heaps of photos) Rosebery Engine Buzacott Engine Lister Engine (1918 war in Palestine) IHC engine and you can find the rest, the spelling and search is exact so be careful how you search, try differences, singualr and plural for engine/s Peter, Oz From ilifa at internode.on.net Sat Sep 13 00:55:35 2008 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:55:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives In-Reply-To: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: Picture Australia is a great site. I have often recommended it. The sad part is that the Melbourne photos are all low resolution. This could be for faster download speeds, but I think they want you to buy their expensive prints. The last 5 x 7 ones I bought were $25 each. Some interesting things in the M-V photo include the pure Kelly & Lewis on the lower left. I would think that the 2hp was also made by them, though I do not have a K-L branded photo of one. The engine on the lower right has matching oval shapes to the fuel tank, cylinder block and water tank. Peter, have you found any M-V engine history. I have done some engine research, but found little on M-V. I don't know if they ever made their own engines. Eric From page at velocitynet.com.au Sat Sep 13 01:20:41 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:20:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001f01c91579$9e2b1720$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hi Eric I have been researching MV for a number of years and you are right there is little information about this company. As for their engines this not clear as they they rebadged quite a number of different engines over the years, however there are three engines which I have never seen badged as anything other than MV and they are the "round" model of 1 1/2 hp (MV1), the oval 2 hp "oval" model (MV2) and the "square" model of both 2 1/2 hp and 3 hp (MV3). One chap has written in the TOMM magazine that he saw MV3's made in a factory in Northern Queensland. Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Eric Schulz Sent: Saturday, 13 September 2008 5:56 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Engines at State Archives Picture Australia is a great site. I have often recommended it. The sad part is that the Melbourne photos are all low resolution. This could be for faster download speeds, but I think they want you to buy their expensive prints. The last 5 x 7 ones I bought were $25 each. Some interesting things in the M-V photo include the pure Kelly & Lewis on the lower left. I would think that the 2hp was also made by them, though I do not have a K-L branded photo of one. The engine on the lower right has matching oval shapes to the fuel tank, cylinder block and water tank. Peter, have you found any M-V engine history. I have done some engine research, but found little on M-V. I don't know if they ever made their own engines. Eric _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1663 - Release Date: 9/09/2008 7:04 PM From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Sep 13 02:50:10 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:50:10 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <003f01c91586$1df6bc00$12b40556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 8:04 AM Subject: Engines at State Archives Snip > Balanced on four glasses only and not bolted down and running. I have one of > these V2 2hp MV engines which were only offered for a few years before the > V3 series MV engines in 2 1/4hp & 3hp took over. My little 2hp also runs > like a clock, so does the V3 3hp. > http://libapp.sl.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/spydus/RECOPT/PM/FULL1/810/35259,1?http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/hood/313/31389h.jpg Big Snip > Peter, Oz Hi Peter, I think the picture you quote is at http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/hood/313/31389h.jpg I cannot get anything from the first part of your site address. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 13 03:45:12 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:45:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> <003f01c91586$1df6bc00$12b40556@intrepid> Message-ID: <001a01c9158d$cd066450$0200a8c0@PETER> > Snip >> Balanced on four glasses only and not bolted down and running. I have one >> of >> these V2 2hp MV engines which were only offered for a few years before >> the >> V3 series MV engines in 2 1/4hp & 3hp took over. My little 2hp also runs >> like a clock, so does the V3 3hp. >> http://libapp.sl.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/spydus/RECOPT/PM/FULL1/810/35259,1?http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/hood/313/31389h.jpg > > Big Snip >> Peter, Oz > > > Hi Peter, I think the picture you quote is at > http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/hood/313/31389h.jpg > I cannot get anything from the first part of your site address. > > > Dave Croft OK Dave, I must have double pasted two links together or something, thanks mate. peter From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Sat Sep 13 04:00:39 2008 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:00:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] M/V engines References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <008e01c9158f$f585c0e0$0201010a@JBCooper> Hi Eric, I have just spoken to an old employee of M/V who lives near here and he tells me that they definitely made their own water cooled engines at a factory in Epsom Road Rosebery in Sydney.The castings were made by a firm in Mascot and all the machining was done in their own factory. I may be able to get more detail from him when I next see him. Regards, John Cooper, Bega N.S.W. Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Schulz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engines at State Archives > > Picture Australia is a great site. I have often recommended it. The > sad part is that the Melbourne photos are all low resolution. This > could be for faster download speeds, but I think they want you to buy > their expensive prints. The last 5 x 7 ones I bought were $25 each. > Some interesting things in the M-V photo include the pure Kelly & > Lewis on the lower left. I would think that the 2hp was also made by > them, though I do not have a K-L branded photo of one. The engine on > the lower right has matching oval shapes to the fuel tank, cylinder > block and water tank. > Peter, have you found any M-V engine history. I have done some engine > research, but found little on M-V. I don't know if they ever made > their own engines. > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1669 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 2:18 PM From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 13 04:31:50 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:31:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] M/V engines References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> <008e01c9158f$f585c0e0$0201010a@JBCooper> Message-ID: <000b01c91594$509ab8b0$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi John This is the sort of guy you should visit for a few hours and write or record everything he tells you, this information will be lost forever if we don't. Here is a factory photo: http://www2.photosau.com/CosSQL/scripts/ExtSearch.asp?SearchTerm=031984 Regards Peter > Hi Eric, > I have just spoken to an old employee of M/V who lives near here and he > tells me that they definitely made their own water cooled engines at a > factory in Epsom Road Rosebery in Sydney.The castings were made by a firm > in > Mascot and all the machining was done in their own factory. > I may be able to get more detail from him when I next see him. > Regards, > John Cooper, > Bega N.S.W. Australia. >> >> Picture Australia is a great site. I have often recommended it. The >> sad part is that the Melbourne photos are all low resolution. This >> could be for faster download speeds, but I think they want you to buy >> their expensive prints. The last 5 x 7 ones I bought were $25 each. >> Some interesting things in the M-V photo include the pure Kelly & >> Lewis on the lower left. I would think that the 2hp was also made by >> them, though I do not have a K-L branded photo of one. The engine on >> the lower right has matching oval shapes to the fuel tank, cylinder >> block and water tank. >> Peter, have you found any M-V engine history. I have done some engine >> research, but found little on M-V. I don't know if they ever made >> their own engines. >> >> Eric From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 13 05:09:40 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:09:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER><003f01c91586$1df6bc00$12b40556@intrepid> <001a01c9158d$cd066450$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <000f01c91599$99e1a010$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi all Here are some links for those who are interested in archival history: http://www.pictureaustralia.org/apps/pictureaustralia?term1=stationary+engine&action=PASearch&attribute1=any+field&mode=search I guess also the beauty of these old original photos is that we can see what the various parts look like that are usually missing from our engine when we find them. Mufflers, water tanks, fuel tanks and the items they drove. Look at the length of the drive belt on this separator!! http://mview.museum.vic.gov.au/paimages/mm/190/19078.htm You could spend month here and get lost: http://libapp.sl.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/spydus/RECOPT/PM/FULL1/1306/388349,1?http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/bcp/002/00297h.jpg Peter, Oz From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Sep 13 06:28:49 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 08:28:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] J.B. Castagnos, where are you Message-ID: And anyone else in the recent storms' path? Let us know you're all right. Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From jbcast at charter.net Sat Sep 13 08:12:11 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 8:12:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] J.B. Castagnos, where are you In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080913111211.ZISXK.463834.root@mp05> Thanks for checking Elden, everyone in the old engine group is OK. We got power at the shop and homeafter 9 days, both are on the main line, many of the farther out customers will be weeks away. The utility workers from acroos the nation are doing a great job, things are a mess. They had to evacuate for Ike, even though it's hitting Texas, things got a little rough here. They are living in a tent city at the old WalMart parking lot, one of the tents went down. I had a tree through the roof of one of my buildings at the shop, house is fine, a tree took out the fence. Our municipal water comes from Bayou Lafourche, my house is on the bature. It was dammed around 1900 to prevent flooding, water is now pumped in from the Mississippi. The pumps were shut down for the hurricane and there were a lot of trees blown into the byou. The diesel pumps were started but water was slow flowing and the vegetation in the water turned it dark. Yesterday tap water looked like tea and orders were given to boil before use, it's geting beter looking today. Southeast Louisiana is experiencing flooding from the storm surge, two of the guys with us at Portland, Eddie Leblanc and Buzz Bradley will likely be affected. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Sat Sep 13 08:21:09 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:21:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] J.B. Castagnos, where are you References: <20080913111211.ZISXK.463834.root@mp05> Message-ID: <004501c915b4$59cfffb0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Thanks JB Paul - IN ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] J.B. Castagnos, where are you > Thanks for checking Elden, everyone in the old engine group is OK. We got > power at the shop and homeafter 9 days, both are on the main line, many of > the farther out customers will be weeks away. The utility workers from > acroos the nation are doing a great job, things are a mess. They had to > evacuate for Ike, even though it's hitting Texas, things got a little > rough here. They are living in a tent city at the old WalMart parking lot, > one of the tents went down. I had a tree through the roof of one of my > buildings at the shop, house is fine, a tree took out the fence. Our > municipal water comes from Bayou Lafourche, my house is on the bature. It > was dammed around 1900 to prevent flooding, water is now pumped in from > the Mississippi. The pumps were shut down for the hurricane and there were > a lot of trees blown into the byou. The diesel pumps were started but > water was slow flowing and the vegetation in the water turned it dark. > Yesterday tap water looked like tea and orders we! > re given to boil before use, it's geting beter looking today. Southeast > Louisiana is experiencing flooding from the storm surge, two of the guys > with us at Portland, Eddie Leblanc and Buzz Bradley will likely be > affected. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Sep 13 10:15:22 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 12:15:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] J.B. Castagnos, where are you In-Reply-To: <004501c915b4$59cfffb0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: JB: Glad you swamp rats did okay. Y'all is tough! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Paul Waugh > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:21 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] J.B. Castagnos, where are you > > > Thanks JB > > Paul - IN > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:12 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] J.B. Castagnos, where are you > > > > Thanks for checking Elden, everyone in the old > engine group is OK. .......................snip.................................. > > J.B. Castagnos > > Belle Rose, LA From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Sep 13 12:07:55 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:07:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Finding a crankshaft Message-ID: Gang: Moving right along with the preliminaries for the small Hvid engine build, I am looking for a crankshaft with about a 4" stroke. I don't want to build one like the one for "The Homebrew Engine" because I have my doubts it would hold up under the compression load of a 'sorta'-Diesel. I've gone a-surfin' and have found several candidates that I could cut a throw out of and which would make a nice crankshaft. The ones that kinda light my fire are for the 4-bangers of Chrysler/Dodge. One of them is for an engine with 148 C.I. displacement (2429cc) which has a stroke of 3.975". The other is for a 153 C.I. (2502cc) displacement with a stroke of 4.094". Now, what I need to know is how to identify these in a pile of scrap engines. What year and model of car (van?) did these go into? I ass-u-me that these engines are relatively recent due to the published metric displacement figures. My plan is to cut the crankshaft right at the #2 rod journal/cheek face then turn the cheek as an extension of the #2 main bearing journal for mounting a flywheel. I can use the stock bearing inserts and maybe a piece of a connecting rod. Now, I am ass-u-ming that these are 5 bearing engines. That will give me a nice, strong crankshaft for the Hvid. Is anybody up to date on these engines and what they came in? Thanks! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 13 12:29:27 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:29:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] J.B. Castagnos, where are you References: <20080913111211.ZISXK.463834.root@mp05> Message-ID: <009901c915d7$09c38410$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> It has yet to rain a drop and sunny at 78368 . 200 miles west of the epicenter behind Corpus , One couldn't tell anything happened . Not even a distant boomer http://www.stormpulse.com/ Mouse over the cities From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 13 16:49:39 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 16:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Pictures Avery at Buckley In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <120607.3695.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Bruce, Here is a bit of the story on that sweet Avery. http://www.buckleyoldengineclub.org/Spotlight/1911-AVERY-40-120-H.P.- Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Bruce Younger wrote: > From: Bruce Younger > Subject: [SEL] Pictures > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 1:10 PM > Jerry, Peter, and all who take the time and trouble to make > the pictures available to the rest of us - thank you all, > from a grateful pilgrim. You make the shows come alive for > all who can't be there. > > That Avery puts the other steam traction to shame - twin > cylinder, geared steering... Makes the others look so > crude. > > Bruce Younger > 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 > Madison, SD > sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and > those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, > never care for anything else thereafter." > E. Hemingway From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Sat Sep 13 16:51:15 2008 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:51:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER><003f01c91586$1df6bc00$12b40556@intrepid><001a01c9158d$cd066450$0200a8c0@PETER> <000f01c91599$99e1a010$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <001d01c915fb$9c7297a0$0201010a@JBCooper> Hi Peter, Thank you for the M/V/ factory picture. The separator belt picture has aroused my curiosity as it is taken locally but no idea where. It could be a misspelling of the name, maybe Kelly or Healey both old farming names around here. I will work on it. John. Bega N.S.W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engines at State Archives > > Hi all > Here are some links for those who are interested in archival history: > > http://www.pictureaustralia.org/apps/pictureaustralia?term1=stationary+engine&action=PASearch&attribute1=any+field&mode=search > > I guess also the beauty of these old original photos is that we can see > what > the various parts look like that are usually missing from our engine when > we > find them. > Mufflers, water tanks, fuel tanks and the items they drove. > > Look at the length of the drive belt on this separator!! > http://mview.museum.vic.gov.au/paimages/mm/190/19078.htm > > You could spend month here and get lost: > http://libapp.sl.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/spydus/RECOPT/PM/FULL1/1306/388349,1?http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/bcp/002/00297h.jpg > > > Peter, Oz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Sep 13 19:15:00 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:15:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives In-Reply-To: <003f01c91586$1df6bc00$12b40556@intrepid> References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> <003f01c91586$1df6bc00$12b40556@intrepid> Message-ID: <1221358500.48cc73a460c5d@webmail.city-net.com> Dave, What a GREAT picture. Did you also notice the glass of water sitting on top of the engine? >From time to time there's a bloke at Portland who has his running tractor (John Deere?) sitting on top of four Coke bottles. I'm sure that someone has a pic of that somewhere. I think I've seen an advertising photo of an IHC "M" balanced running on either Coke bottles or glasses. Has anyone else seen that one? See ya, Arnie Quoting Dave Croft : > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" > > Balanced on four glasses only and not bolted down and running. > > > Hi Peter, I think the picture you quote is at > http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/hood/313/31389h.jpg From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Sep 13 23:24:44 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:24:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] M/V engines In-Reply-To: <008e01c9158f$f585c0e0$0201010a@JBCooper> References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> <008e01c9158f$f585c0e0$0201010a@JBCooper> Message-ID: While we are on MV engines: Does anyone know who made these engines for MV: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg06/lg060005.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg06/lg060431.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg06/lg060432.JPG They are almost identical to the Blackstone vertical but there are enough differences to suggest someone other than Blackstone may have made them for MV. I have heard all sorts of theories but nothing concrete. The MV sales ledger that I have only cover Ronaldson-Tippett built engines so it is no help on this one. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Hi Eric, I have just spoken to an old employee of M/V who lives near here and he tells me that they definitely made their own water cooled engines at a factory in Epsom Road Rosebery in Sydney.The castings were made by a firm in Mascot and all the machining was done in their own factory. I may be able to get more detail from him when I next see him. Regards, John Cooper, Bega N.S.W. Australia. From plb at iinet.net.au Sun Sep 14 00:40:57 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:40:57 +0800 Subject: [SEL] M/V engines In-Reply-To: References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> <008e01c9158f$f585c0e0$0201010a@JBCooper> Message-ID: <001101c9163d$39cf1aa0$ad6d4fe0$@net.au> The general design and shape of the engine is a bit similar to a Corbett and Williams that I have Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Sunday, 14 September 2008 2:25 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] M/V engines While we are on MV engines: Does anyone know who made these engines for MV: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg06/lg060005.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg06/lg060431.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg06/lg060432.JPG They are almost identical to the Blackstone vertical but there are enough differences to suggest someone other than Blackstone may have made them for MV. I have heard all sorts of theories but nothing concrete. The MV sales ledger that I have only cover Ronaldson-Tippett built engines so it is no help on this one. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Hi Eric, I have just spoken to an old employee of M/V who lives near here and he tells me that they definitely made their own water cooled engines at a factory in Epsom Road Rosebery in Sydney.The castings were made by a firm in Mascot and all the machining was done in their own factory. I may be able to get more detail from him when I next see him. Regards, John Cooper, Bega N.S.W. Australia. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Sep 14 03:18:58 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:18:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives In-Reply-To: <001a01c9158d$cd066450$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> <003f01c91586$1df6bc00$12b40556@intrepid> <001a01c9158d$cd066450$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <48CCE512.4090603@steamengine.com.au> you did not double paste links - take the link apart and look at it - it is done so the original site knows you've done it... this part is to the site where you found the photo displayed initially http://libapp.sl.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/spydus/RECOPT/PM/FULL1/810/35259,1? this part is to the site where the photo is actually displayed http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/hood/313/31389h.jpg Peter Lowe wrote: >>> http://libapp.sl.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/spydus/RECOPT/PM/FULL1/810/35259,1?http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/hood/313/31389h.jpg >>> > > OK Dave, I must have double pasted two links together or something, thanks > mate. > > peter > > From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Sep 14 04:50:44 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:50:44 +0000 Subject: [SEL] LeRoi engine info needed Message-ID: <091420081150.15341.48CCFA9400040BE700003BED219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Guys, A good friend of mine just acquired a LeRoi engine that came out of an older Centaur tractor. I am trying to help him find any manuals or info as he doesn't have a computer. thank you in advance, Curt Andree From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Sep 14 07:33:41 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:33:41 EDT Subject: [SEL] Pictures Avery at Buckley Message-ID: Alan, Thanks for the write up. What a great piece of history! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sun Sep 14 13:51:50 2008 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:51:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives In-Reply-To: <1221358500.48cc73a460c5d@webmail.city-net.com> References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> <003f01c91586$1df6bc00$12b40556@intrepid> <1221358500.48cc73a460c5d@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <48CD7966.1050703@insulate.co.uk> The John Deere at Portland: http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/usa05/portland/47.jpg Dolly fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > >From time to time there's a bloke at Portland who has his running tractor (John > Deere?) sitting on top of four Coke bottles. I'm sure that someone has a pic > of that somewhere. > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sun Sep 14 13:54:22 2008 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:54:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] New Toy Message-ID: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> Hi Folks Jim's got himself a little winter project: http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/national/national.htm That's going to keep him quiet for a while. Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 14 14:11:26 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:11:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Toy References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: It looks new. That's not going to take long. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "ATIS Stationary Engine List" Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: [SEL] New Toy > Hi Folks > > Jim's got himself a little winter project: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/national/national.htm > > That's going to keep him quiet for a while. > > Dolly > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1671 - Release Date: 9/14/2008 7:16 AM From old_iron at msn.com Sun Sep 14 14:15:22 2008 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:15:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toy In-Reply-To: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Nice Jim really nice. Have a great day, we just got 11" of rain in 3 days, so Bill is going stir crazy. Peg> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:54:22 +0100> From: fbi at insulate.co.uk> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: [SEL] New Toy> > Hi Folks> > Jim's got himself a little winter project:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/national/national.htm> > That's going to keep him quiet for a while.> > Dolly> > -- > Jim French> fbi at insulate.co.uk> http://www.insulate.co.uk> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From old_iron at msn.com Sun Sep 14 14:51:15 2008 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:51:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives/Thanks Message-ID: You know Arnie, I think these actually look more like "shot" glasses, rather than regular glasses. Really neat pictures. Helen, the one with the John Deere on the Coke bottles was an advertising campaign to show how "smoothly" the JD ran. I will try and locate the original ad I got off of eBay a while back. My Dad had said it only worked with the small 8 OZ bottles because they were stronger glass. All of these are really neat, and you sure don't see this kind of ingenuity in today's "slick" advertising. Thanks to everyone for sharing these great photos. Peg Pfeiffer> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:15:00 -0400> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org> CC: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engines at State Archives> > Dave, > > What a GREAT picture. Did you also notice the glass of water sitting on top of> the engine?> > >From time to time there's a bloke at Portland who has his running tractor (John> Deere?) sitting on top of four Coke bottles. I'm sure that someone has a pic> of that somewhere.> > I think I've seen an advertising photo of an IHC "M" balanced running on either> Coke bottles or glasses. Has anyone else seen that one?> > See ya, Arnie> > Quoting Dave Croft :> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Lowe" > > > Balanced on four glasses only and not bolted down and running. > > >> > Hi Peter, I think the picture you quote is at> > http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/hood/313/31389h.jpg > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Sep 14 15:33:49 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:33:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives In-Reply-To: <48CD7966.1050703@insulate.co.uk> References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> <003f01c91586$1df6bc00$12b40556@intrepid> <1221358500.48cc73a460c5d@webmail.city-net.com> <48CD7966.1050703@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <1221431629.48cd914d4e126@webmail.city-net.com> Ahhhh, Dolly, well done!! BTW, this running tractor is about the ONLY time that I've ever seen a FATG with his exhibit talking to the spectators. See ya, Arnie Quoting Jim French : > The John Deere at Portland: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/usa05/portland/47.jpg > > fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > > >From time to time there's a bloke at Portland who has his running tractor > (John Deere?) sitting on top of four Coke bottles. From old_iron at msn.com Sun Sep 14 15:42:56 2008 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:42:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show pics are up Message-ID: I love the wheels on some of the carts, especially the wooded ones! Thanks for sharing, Peg Pfeiffer Soggy Rolling Meadows IL PS: the only fatality here in our area from the flooding was a 28 year old real nimrod who for a lark tried to swim across a run off retention pond that is usually on dry days a soccer field. The fireman they interviewed said they were having trouble finding the body because of the soccer equipment at the bottom. This "pond" is only about 15 feet deep and the length and width of a smallish soccer field.> From: flywheelin at hotmail.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:16:03 +0000> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show pics are up> > > Great pictures Jerry. Loved the ones of the little girl and gorilla!> > Luke Tonneberger> Rockford, Michigan> USA> > > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:13:57 +0200> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: jerrye at databak.co.za> Subject: [SEL] Show pics are up> > Hi Guys,> Our show pics are up at last.> > They're here:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/vow08/index.htm> > Keep the revs up (or down)> Jerry Evans> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:> > > > _________________________________________________________________> See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go.> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Sep 14 15:44:26 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:44:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Toy In-Reply-To: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <1221432266.48cd93cab5a31@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Dolly, YEE HAW, what an AWESOME engine. Well done guys!! How about the "vital statistics" for this sweetheart (B&S, diameter of FW, etc.). I'm especially curious about the width of those flywheels!! I can't wait to hear her run!! See ya, Arnie Quoting Jim French : > Jim's got himself a little winter project: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/national/national.htm From old_iron at msn.com Sun Sep 14 15:51:05 2008 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:51:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Information boards and shows In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20080910005600.00c19d90@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080910005600.00c19d90@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: I also have a detailed explaination of just how a hit - n - miss works, I got from a 1916 correspondence course from Cornell University, that has been a very big hit. I made it to fit on a 8 X 14 sheet of paper with the font big enough for most people to read with out glasses. Even people that have been in the hobby for a while stop to read it an find it interesting. I feel that a major part of this hobby is educating the "public" on how hard life was for a typical farmer. Not just preserving history but in a way teaching it too. Just my 2 cents. Peg Pfeiffer Rolling Meadows IL > Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:50:48 +0200> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: jerrye at databak.co.za> Subject: [SEL] Information boards and shows> > Hi Guys,> We also had our annual show this weekend - pages will hopefully be > up by tomorrow night. I'm not as quick as those Aussies.> > Peter and Patrick - thanks for posting your "Rusty Iron' pics. > Peter, how did you manage to beat Patrick - his pics are normally up so > quickly :-)> > Your post included mention of the lack of "Info Boards". I > experienced that this weekend and have included a note on my webpages (the > one that will hopefully be up tomorrow).> > In the meantime here is a "copy & paste" from the page of my > thoughts on the matter.> > "******** Note re. the importance of "information boards" on engines ********> > Something discussed recently on the Old Engine list was the lack of > "information boards" on engines. South Africa is no exception here and many > engines lacked information boards (we call them "Brag Boards"). Even guys > that I do know to own "Brag Boards" for their engines (I KNOW because I've > made boards for them at no charge) did not bother to use them.> > My experience this weekend showed just how important these boards are. My > 1928 Wolseley R was "parked" between my daughter's and my Wolseley WD9's > (both 1960 something models). In the rush of loading everything for the > show I forgot the board for the 1928 Wolseley (guilty as charged) and was > really surprised at the number of spectators (and even a television crew) > who would read one of the boards on the 1960's engines, walk right past the > 1928 model and read the board on the other 1960 model - many took > photographs and even made comments about "how nice they were" but ignored > the far more collectible 1928 model. Of course I'm talking about the > general public here, engine collectors know better and they admired the > older engine.> > C'mon guys - use your boards - they enhance the display and the experience > for spectators. Many spectators are too shy or lack the confidence to ask > questions (many are even too scared to show their ignorance) so they just > ignore the engine and move on. You'd be surprised at how many people will > show interest and strike up a conversation with you if they just had "a bit > of info" on the engine first - it seems to make them "more qualified" to > talk to you or to compliment you on the engine (hey, we all like > compliments). Remember also that the more discussions you have with > spectators the more will you increase the chances that one of them may call > you one day to say that they have found an old engine that you may be > interested in."> > ********************> > I have (and use) boards for each of my engines (O.K. so I'm > luckier than most because I have a small sign business) but these boards > need not cost a lot of bucks. Something simple made on your computer (or a > mates computer) is better than nothing. After all the trouble and expense > of restoring an engine this is only a small thing and makes a big difference.> > Info I put on my boards is:> Make,> Model,> Serial Number,> H.P. @ RPM,> Date manufactured,> Country of Origin,> Owner/restorers name> and my website address (people seem to be impressed that you have > a website for engines and is a great address.> (If the engine was given to me I also include "Donated by Joe > Soap" - which has the added advantage of letting people know that I'm > totally available for freebies )> > If I want to say more I make another board (for example to > describe the uses of the engine).> > I also have cards printed with my website address and contact > details and hand these out freely at shows - if one in a hundred finds me > another old engine then it's been worthwhile, Of course I've also ended up > with a few stuffed lawnmower engines in the process but that's the chance > you take and you accept them graciously - you gotta kiss a lot of frogs > before you find a prince.> > O.K. that's my "tuppence ha'penny" worth.> > Keep the revs up (or down)> Jerry Evans> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:> > > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun Sep 14 15:54:12 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:54:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New Toy In-Reply-To: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <070CCE3E92E04D919AF581AA08985DBB@KerryPC> G'Day Dolly Tell Jim well done, a great engine. Remind him to remove the water out of it during winter, better still remind him to CHECK all the engines :-)) Kerry > > Jim's got himself a little winter project: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/national/national.htm > From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Sep 14 18:16:57 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:16:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toy In-Reply-To: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Wow! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jim French > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 03:54 PM > To: ATIS Stationary Engine List > Subject: [SEL] New Toy > > > Hi Folks > > Jim's got himself a little winter project: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/national/na tional.htm That's going to keep him quiet for a while. From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Sun Sep 14 19:13:38 2008 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:13:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Spam=3E_Avery_Traction_Engine?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Hi Bruce, Here is a bit of the story on that sweet Avery. http://www.buckleyoldengineclub.org/Spotlight/1911-AVERY-40-120-H.P.- Alan in Michigan" I love those Averys! I am sending a couple of Avery pictures off list. One shows the geared steering, another on the Baker fan. Thanks for that article. Even back then, some people had more money than they knew what to do with. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From garyepps at fidnet.com Sun Sep 14 21:37:21 2008 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:37:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Values Message-ID: <375acf600809142137taf62b17qf849093833cf5f@mail.gmail.com> I went to the SteamORama and EDGE T A show west of Springfield, MO this weekend. It is a nice little show, probably the best one in southern MO. While there I visited with a fellow who expressed interest in buying some of my engines. Normally I would have said I wasn't interested in selling anything, but after the stroke in June I'm beginning to realize that I am not going to get around to some of the projects around here. The trouble is, I no longer know what these engines are worth as I haven't bought any in over ten years and haven't seen much in the way of recent auction reports. I need to price a Bluffton/Ideal with 12" flywheels on a metal cart. I last ran it about 9 yrs. ago. The paint is good, the cooling box/shroud is missing and it has a rectangular gas tank. The second engine is a 6hp McCormick-Deering, missing part of the fuel pump. It either has very good original paint or has been repainted sometime in the distant past. I know this not much information to go on, but if you can help me establish an appropriate dollar range for each of these engines I will appreciate the help. I want to offer a fair price and I don't want to get badly taken either. I also will sell some miscellaneous wheels and a couple of carts, and maybe a green Economy. The fellow I bought it from thought it was supposed to be Hercules green. I looks good; it's just the wrong color. I would really appreciate some ideas on the Bluffton/Ideal and the McCormick-Deering if possible. Oh, by the way I have decided to sell an unrestored 1949 John Deere AR as well. Gary From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 23:51:58 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:51:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Avery Traction Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160809142351g4df52c39p1658dd67a08cde27@mail.gmail.com> On 15/09/2008, Bruce Younger wrote: > I love those Averys! I am sending a couple of Avery pictures off list. One > shows the geared steering, another on the Baker fan. > > Thanks for that article. Even back then, some people had more money than > they knew what to do with. > > Bruce Younger http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Buckley08/Buckley092.htm http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Buckley08/Buckley094.htm or on oldengine: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Buckley08/Buckley092.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Buckley08/Buckley094.htm There are four menu pages of the Buckley show that are now up and working. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 15 00:00:16 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:00:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] SAMC Clarendon Classic Message-ID: <08A657BEC9BE41E49F9E7F70979758CD@PML> I hope to catch up with a few list members this weekend at the Clarendon Classic rally at Hawkesbury showground. It promises to be a good one with all sort of nice toys including a few traction engines :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Sep 15 04:45:01 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:45:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Toy In-Reply-To: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: That is a great find! Can you explain what a college engine is? Thanks for sharing that beauty, Steve> > Hi Folks> > Jim's got himself a little winter project:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/national/national.htm> > That's going to keep him quiet for a while.> > Dolly> > -- > Jim French> fbi at insulate.co.uk> http://www.insulate.co.uk> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 15 06:10:29 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:10:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Values References: <375acf600809142137taf62b17qf849093833cf5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005701c91734$6deaea60$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > > Oh, by the way I have decided to sell an unrestored 1949 John Deere AR as > well. > http://mankato.craigslist.org/grd/840421402.html From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Sep 15 09:56:48 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:56:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Show pics are up/wheels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080915185241.02824ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 15/09/2008, you wrote: >Message: 7 >Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:42:56 -0500 >From: William J Pfeiffer Sr >Subject: Re: [SEL] Show pics are up > > >I love the wheels on some of the carts, especially the wooded ones! > >Thanks for sharing, > >Peg Pfeiffer >Soggy Rolling Meadows IL Hi Peg, They belong to my daughters boyfriend! Sort of his "Trademark". Really ugly but unusual and they attract muck comment. But, what the heck - they do the job. I always think of the Flintstones when I see them. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Sep 15 11:19:50 2008 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:19:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] New Toy In-Reply-To: <070CCE3E92E04D919AF581AA08985DBB@KerryPC> References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> <070CCE3E92E04D919AF581AA08985DBB@KerryPC> Message-ID: <48CEA746.8050508@insulate.co.uk> Hi Kerry As a matter of fact, Jim was draining engines this weekend. Well, running then draining! Dolly Kerry wrote: > G'Day Dolly > > Tell Jim well done, a great engine. > Remind him to remove the water out of it during winter, better still remind > him to CHECK all the engines :-)) > > Kerry > >> Jim's got himself a little winter project: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/national/national.htm >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Sep 15 11:24:57 2008 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:24:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] New Toy In-Reply-To: References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <48CEA879.7090209@insulate.co.uk> In the old, old, old days, when engineers were trained to be ... well, engineers, colleges had engines for the students to work with, measuring power, calorific burn of fuel, efficency ... basically anything which could be measured. The specially made college engines had extra adjusters on just about everything. They were discarded as a learning / teaching tool when it was discovered that everything can be learned from a book! Dolly Steve Royster wrote: > That is a great find! Can you explain what a college engine is? Thanks for sharing that beauty, Steve> > > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Sep 15 11:32:22 2008 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:32:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] New Toy In-Reply-To: References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <48CEAA36.1030704@insulate.co.uk> It is in very good condition, apart from the missing bearings, which are rather large! But, it was the top of one bearing and the bottom of the other which went, so at least he's got something left to work from. Dolly Skip Cleveland wrote: > It looks new. That's not going to take long. > Skip > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Sep 15 11:48:46 2008 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:48:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives/Thanks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CEAE0E.4060506@insulate.co.uk> Even if the bottles were stronger glass, it's still a neat trick, and a real case of putting your money where your mouth is! Dolly William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > You know Arnie, I think these actually look more like "shot" glasses, rather than regular glasses. > > Really neat pictures. > > Helen, the one with the John Deere on the Coke bottles was an advertising campaign to show how "smoothly" the JD ran. I will try and locate the original ad I got off of eBay a while back. My Dad had said it only worked with the small 8 OZ bottles because they were stronger glass. > > All of these are really neat, and you sure don't see this kind of ingenuity in today's "slick" advertising. > > Thanks to everyone for sharing these great photos. > > Peg Pfeiffer> -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Sep 15 12:54:15 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:54:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toy In-Reply-To: <48CEA879.7090209@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Dolly: And that is why most of the recent graduate engineers I worked with didn't have any real mechanical aptitude. Just about none of them worked on cars or even had an interest in mechanics. Oh, yes - if they needed an answer, they could rely on the books to tell 'em but I found that I came up with ideas that were just as good (and often used) right out of my head and a sketch pad. AND I ain't even got no freakin' degree! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jim French > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 01:25 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toy > > > In the old, old, old days, when engineers were > trained to be ... well, > engineers, colleges had engines for the students > to work with, measuring > power, calorific burn of fuel, efficency ... > basically anything which > could be measured. The specially made college > engines had extra > adjusters on just about everything. They were > discarded as a learning / > teaching tool when it was discovered that > everything can be learned from > a book! > > Dolly From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon Sep 15 14:22:51 2008 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:22:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Transportation help? In-Reply-To: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <24CF7F03-86F4-415E-A12B-C7C16BBA6630@herculesengines.com> > Is there anybody in the Sharon, CT area that could haul a 5 HP > Economy to Coolsprings or any place west? Ultimately wanting to get > it to Evansville, Indiana. Thanks. Keith www.herculesengines.com > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Sep 15 14:58:54 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:58:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Transportation help? In-Reply-To: <24CF7F03-86F4-415E-A12B-C7C16BBA6630@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <000001c9177e$3fb870a0$7701a8c0@tommyd0x52gkco> Keith, If Glenn Karch doesn't get to make it to Coolspring I can haul it back as far as KY for you. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Keith Kinney Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:23 PM To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Transportation help? > Is there anybody in the Sharon, CT area that could haul a 5 HP > Economy to Coolsprings or any place west? Ultimately wanting to get > it to Evansville, Indiana. Thanks. Keith www.herculesengines.com > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 15 15:25:08 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:25:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. O.T. Moonshine Cake Recipe Message-ID: <9ABC3A8687774BC6887369F1488D99C7@FAMILY> Hey Gang I hope if you are reading this you will not get upset with me for sending this message. Please send any response off list as I do not want to anger my friends. I am not sure but I think it was someone on this list who referred to making a moonshine cake sometime ago and posted the recipe. It takes 44- days to make and I an now into my 22 day of making this recipe and I need to talk to someone who has made the cake as I have some questions. Please just serious answers, I know this subject could open up a whole can of worms but I am serious about making the cake. Thanks everyone, Paul From gastzt at aol.com Mon Sep 15 15:55:48 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:55:48 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. O.T. Moonshine Cake Recipe Message-ID: moonshine cake goes GOOD with watching an old 8hp stover pop along---LOL ha! Stan **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From gastzt at aol.com Mon Sep 15 15:54:19 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:54:19 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. O.T. Moonshine Cake Recipe Message-ID: are you any kin to ol' Hugh Maples in Seguin, Texas by any chance???? (old electrician) Stan OldStovers--Pleasanton, Tx **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Sep 15 16:07:03 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:07:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. O.T. Moonshine Cake Recipe References: <9ABC3A8687774BC6887369F1488D99C7@FAMILY> Message-ID: <00b801c91787$c549ed30$12b40556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:25 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. O.T. Moonshine Cake Recipe > Hey Gang I hope if you are reading this you will not get upset with me for sending this message. Please send any response off list > as I do not want to anger my friends. > I am not sure but I think it was someone on this list who referred to making a moonshine cake sometime ago and posted the recipe. > It takes 44- days to make and I an now into my 22 day of making this recipe and I need to talk to someone who has made the cake as > I have some questions. > Please just serious answers, I know this subject could open up a whole can of worms but I am serious about making the cake. > Thanks everyone, > Paul Hi Paul, this is a recipe beyond an Englishman but would the recipes at http://www.kitchenlink.com/mf/0/83410 help you at all? Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 15 16:21:00 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:21:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. O.T. Moonshine Cake Recipe References: Message-ID: <022A1DC5320940838B13B6E9AF3494CB@FAMILY> Not that I know of. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. O.T. Moonshine Cake Recipe > are you any kin to ol' Hugh Maples in Seguin, Texas by any chance???? > (old > electrician) > Stan > OldStovers--Pleasanton, Tx > > >/sel From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon Sep 15 16:28:32 2008 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:28:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Springfield Walk Behind Ttractor References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> <24CF7F03-86F4-415E-A12B-C7C16BBA6630@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: I know I have seen a Springfield walk behind tractor at some shows. Does anyone know who might have one. There is a gent on the Briggs list who needs help. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 15 16:48:06 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:48:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. O.T. Moonshine Cake Recipe References: <9ABC3A8687774BC6887369F1488D99C7@FAMILY> <00b801c91787$c549ed30$12b40556@intrepid> Message-ID: Dave this site had some of the information I needed. I have the recipe but had some questions about the starter. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. O.T. Moonshine Cake Recipe > Hi Paul, this is a recipe beyond an Englishman but would the recipes at > http://www.kitchenlink.com/mf/0/83410 help you at all? > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 17:22:50 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Information boards and shows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <400175.54776.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Peg, A very valuable two cents indeed!!! Would you please consider sending me a copy of that great explanation? email or snail mail Every time I got to a show here my goal is to reach the public in some way. When folks ask me about how that engine is running I ask them to enter my area and show them all the steps on a non-running engine. Then I have them watch parts on a running one. They love to feed my corn sheller and learn about the past. Next year they will be operating this "new" washing machine I just bought. http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2691368980102971262mAYLMV I still have not unloaded it from my truck. That is tommorow's task. Alan Bowen --- On Sun, 9/14/08, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > From: William J Pfeiffer Sr > Subject: Re: [SEL] Information boards and shows > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 6:51 PM > I also have a detailed explaination of just how a hit - n - > miss works, I got from a 1916 correspondence course from > Cornell University, that has been a very big hit. I made it > to fit on a 8 X 14 sheet of paper with the font big enough > for most people to read with out glasses. Even people that > have been in the hobby for a while stop to read it an find > it interesting. > > I feel that a major part of this hobby is educating the > "public" on how hard life was for a typical > farmer. Not just preserving history but in a way teaching it > too. > > Just my 2 cents. > > Peg Pfeiffer > Rolling Meadows IL From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon Sep 15 18:18:56 2008 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:18:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Transportation help? In-Reply-To: <000001c9177e$3fb870a0$7701a8c0@tommyd0x52gkco> References: <000001c9177e$3fb870a0$7701a8c0@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: Tommy Thanks for the offer. I'll let you know if I get from CT to PA. Keith On Sep 15, 2008, at 5:58 PM, Tommy Turner wrote: > Keith, > If Glenn Karch doesn't get to make it to Coolspring I can haul > it back as far as KY for you. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Keith > Kinney > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:23 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Transportation help? > >> Is there anybody in the Sharon, CT area that could haul a 5 HP >> Economy to Coolsprings or any place west? Ultimately wanting to get >> it to Evansville, Indiana. > Thanks. > Keith > www.herculesengines.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Sep 15 19:12:30 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:12:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Transportation help? In-Reply-To: References: <000001c9177e$3fb870a0$7701a8c0@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: <32DA48D7-FA53-4DCA-A66B-F94652F80989@alltel.net> Hi Keith, Arnie and I could get it from Coolspring to Cotton Ginning. Just tell us what bed you want it on when you get there! Dave On Sep 15, 2008, at 9:18 PM, Keith Kinney wrote: > Tommy > Thanks for the offer. I'll let you know if I get from CT to PA. > Keith > > > On Sep 15, 2008, at 5:58 PM, Tommy Turner wrote: > >> Keith, >> If Glenn Karch doesn't get to make it to Coolspring I can haul >> it back as far as KY for you. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Keith >> Kinney >> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:23 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org >> Subject: [SEL] Transportation help? >> >>> Is there anybody in the Sharon, CT area that could haul a 5 HP >>> Economy to Coolsprings or any place west? Ultimately wanting to get >>> it to Evansville, Indiana. >> Thanks. >> Keith >> www.herculesengines.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 15 20:49:54 2008 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:49:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Avery Pictures Message-ID: Thanks for the additional Avery pictures, Peter. Notice how the running gear on the left side is shielded to help keep your vital parts out of the works! Unfortunately, I wil not be able to get back to the show where I see the one in Jacksonville, IL, this year. I'll see if I can find more pictures of it. Thought I had a short mpg of it on the Baker fan. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 22:45:33 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:45:33 +0100 Subject: [SEL] New Toy In-Reply-To: References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6f6025160809152245h30e55abax3a185a2313315572@mail.gmail.com> On 15/09/2008, Steve Royster wrote: > > That is a great find! Can you explain what a college engine is? Thanks for > sharing that beauty, Steve> Further to Helen's reply, college engines were also produced by Ruston & Hornsby, Crossley, Tangyes, and a couple of others. Our own Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR engine was supplied to Abingdon College in the 1960's with a friction brake and various monitoring devices for revs, temperature etc etc. We also have an electric dynamometer to go with ours in addition to the Heenan & Froude unit which is now going to stay with the Caterpillar 1Y73 research engine. Loughborough College actually made their own engines which were sold to other institutions, and are much sought-after these days. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 00:05:44 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:05:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Portland, Barleylands show pictures Message-ID: <6f6025160809160005p4fd3dec6nea0c6ca0e30b67bf@mail.gmail.com> Portland pictures: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08Menu1.htm http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland08/Portland08Menu1.htm 27 menu pages of 24 pictures each = 648 picture pages. Portland and Buckley Videos: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08VideoMenu.htm http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland08/Portland08VideoMenu.htm 4 menu pages, 146 video clips Barleylands (Essex County Show) http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Barleylands08/Barleylands08Menu1.htm http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Barleylands08/Barleylands08Menu1.htm 4 menu pages of 24 pictures each = 96 picture pages, another 100 to go yet. There are also 9 video clips for Barleylands which are not menued yet: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Barleylands08/Barleylands200801.wmv through to: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Barleylands08/Barleylands200809.wmv or at: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Barleylands08/Barleylands200801.wmv through to: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Barleylands08/Barleylands200809.wmv 200801 is the big 100hp Gardner 13HF engine running, the others are all steam related. 200808 is nearly 11mb. All should run as video streaming in Windows Media Player. I'll get a menu set up soon. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 00:33:38 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:33:38 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Buckley Pictures url Message-ID: <6f6025160809160033x25a89d6dy264102d29e4bdac1@mail.gmail.com> Sorry! left out the Buckley pictures details: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Buckley08/Buckley08Menu1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Buckley08/Buckley08Menu1.htm 5 Menu pages of 24 pictures per page = 120 picture pages. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 16 09:14:19 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:14:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toy References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> <6f6025160809152245h30e55abax3a185a2313315572@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008e01c91817$46a4ce10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Like the Ironwood engines that came out of Ironwood High School in the UP of Michigan My dad went ta school dere aye . But they were through slingin' iron by then . Or I would be actively seeking one of those . > Loughborough College actually made their own engines which were sold > to other institutions, and are much sought-after these days. > From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Sep 16 10:23:49 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:23:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] David Edgington's new Lister Book Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080916191141.03374e40@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, It's been out a few weeks already but I thought I'd let you know that David Edgington's new book "The Lister A & B Story " is out. Here is a bit of description from his website: "The book is the result of 25 years of research and is an in depth study, rather than a 'story', taking the reader through each build specification, with engine datings and changes. ". It promises to be one of his best books and, going by the quality of his previous books, a "must have" even if you do not collect Lister engines. More information here: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 16 10:49:00 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:49:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] David Edgington's new Lister Book References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080916191141.03374e40@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <00b001c91824$80949440$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > It promises to be one of his best books and, going by the quality > of his previous books, a "must have" even if you do not collect Lister > engines. > >>> And those are some spiffy boots ! From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Sep 17 07:09:48 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:09:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules 4 cylinder wiring - update In-Reply-To: <016601c91692$80cd6330$4001a8c0@JIMDUNMYER> References: <016601c91692$80cd6330$4001a8c0@JIMDUNMYER> Message-ID: Last night I hooked up the battery positive to the starter button and grounded the battery to the engine block. I pushed the starter button and got a click. Pushed again and another click. The engine didn't turn over. I engaged the clutch and tried to turn the pulley over and couldn't. Put a big pipe wrench on the pulley and it wouldn't budge. I then made up a hand crank to try and crank it over by hand and it still wouldn't move. Pulled the fuel tank off, unbolted the head to had a look. The third piston from the front looked awful, the cylinder wall looked like the top of an apple cobbler. The fourth had about 1/8" of water in it. When I bought the engine last fall I drained the coolant, which was probably a good thing. It appears the head wasn't tight enough and was leaking coolant into those two cylinders. The valves were closed on those two cylinders, another good thing. The intake valves were stuck on those two cylinders. I was able to scrape and tap the valves and got them loosened up. I took a very large socket that just fit into the cylinder, put a piece of cork gasket between the piston and socket, got a hammer and started to whack away. A few minutes of wacking got the pistons to move. I'm going to push this project aside until winter so I can tear it down, pull the pistons, give it a hone and see what I have. I'll have to take more pictures of the generator, starter, and distributor in order to show better what I have. I don't know much about electrical stuff and all this A circuit, B circuit, resistor, cut out, burning points, oscillation business is way over my head. Thanks for the help on and off list so far. To be continued........ Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA P.S. Jim I would like a copy of that diagram if possible, no hurry. P.S.S. Curt I'll probably call you this weekend. _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 14:14:10 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:14:10 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Barleylands - Essex County Show, Billericay Message-ID: <6f6025160809171414r487b8f82k866da7f31726ac@mail.gmail.com> We had a day in the sunshine after nearly three weeks of wet and cloudy weather. After 2 weeks in the USA with very good weather, it was bl**dy miserable! Anyway, last weekend we had a day out at the Barleylands show, there are 6 pages of pictures in the usual format, with another page to finish, maybe tomorrow: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Barleylands08/Barleylands08Menu1.htm or at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Barleylands08/Barleylands08Menu1.htm This was a heavily steam-oriented show, so expect a lot of traction engine stuff. There are also 9 videos which I will set up a menu for tomorrow. Our last 'proper' show is at Cranford, near Kettering, Northamptonshire, we wil be going to that, subject to the weather. Our next show then will be Nuenen in May/June 2009. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Sep 17 20:14:40 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:14:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Show pictures Message-ID: <20080917.201440.632.9.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Last Saturday my club WAPA (Western Antique Power Associates) was invited to participate in South Pasadena's fund raising event for their Rose Parade float, "Cruz'n For Roses". Here are a few pictures. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/SouthPasadenaCarShow2008# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Looking for insurance? Click to compare and save big. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m276GWaA7fN5SXzPZFXVkKfaxIMK8XtWxKwjmQ5b0kxRqip/ From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Sep 18 08:08:33 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:08:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wellington Ohio In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080909235044.03056950@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <000001c912f5$942e9ca0$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> <6.2.1.2.1.20080909235044.03056950@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080918110704.030a9450@pop3.wcoil.com> Just wondering will there be any list members going to the shows at Wellington Ohio or Luckey Ohio this and next weeks? Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, Ohio Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 From kosh at ncweb.com Thu Sep 18 09:45:38 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:45:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wellington Ohio In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080918110704.030a9450@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080909235044.03056950@pop3.wcoil.com> <000001c912f5$942e9ca0$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> <6.2.1.2.1.20080909235044.03056950@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20080918124236.0217d660@ncweb.com> We will be at Wellington, but won't be bringing anything this time. It's one of our favorite shows, you can guarantee that something weird will show up there, and the flea market is huge. The Indian motorcycle folks are always there too. Dave Merchant At 11:08 AM 9/18/2008, Mark Shulaw wrote: >Just wondering will there be any list members going to the shows at >Wellington Ohio or Luckey Ohio this and next weeks? Mark > > > > >Mark & Christine Shulaw >Bluffton, Ohio >Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >Home #419.358.5206 > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Sep 18 10:53:38 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:53:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Portland, Barleylands show pictures In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809160005p4fd3dec6nea0c6ca0e30b67bf@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160809160005p4fd3dec6nea0c6ca0e30b67bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Absolutely wonderful photos,videos and documentation ! Thanks so much for posting these for us to remember the shows. That was a lot of work just taking the photos, no wonder we never saw much of you!. Thanks, Steve > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:05:44 +0100> From: listerdiesel at gmail.com> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Portland, Barleylands show pictures> > Portland pictures:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08Menu1.htm> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland08/Portland08Menu1.htm> 27 menu pages of 24 pictures each = 648 picture pages.> > Portland and Buckley Videos:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08VideoMenu.htm> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland08/Portland08VideoMenu.htm> 4 menu pages, 146 video clips> > Barleylands (Essex County Show)> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Barleylands08/Barleylands08Menu1.htm> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Barleylands08/Barleylands08Menu1.htm> 4 menu pages of 24 pictures each = 96 picture pages, another 100 to go yet.> > > There are also 9 video clips for Barleylands which are not menued yet:> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Barleylands08/Barleylands200801.wmv> through to:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Barleylands08/Barleylands200809.wmv> > or at:> > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Barleylands08/Barleylands200801.wmv> through to:> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Barleylands08/Barleylands200809.wmv> > 200801 is the big 100hp Gardner 13HF engine running, the others are> all steam related. 200808 is nearly 11mb. All should run as video> streaming in Windows Media Player. I'll get a menu set up soon.> > Peter> -- > Peter A Forbes> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel> http://stationary-engine.co.uk> http://www.oldengine.co.uk> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Sep 18 11:45:25 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:45:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wellington Ohio In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20080918124236.0217d660@ncweb.com> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080909235044.03056950@pop3.wcoil.com> <000001c912f5$942e9ca0$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> <6.2.1.2.1.20080909235044.03056950@pop3.wcoil.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20080918124236.0217d660@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080918144504.030c2960@pop3.wcoil.com> Will be there today in the engine area somewhere. See you there! Mark At 12:45 PM 9/18/08, you wrote: >We will be at Wellington, but won't be bringing anything this time. > >It's one of our favorite shows, you can guarantee that something >weird will show up there, and the flea market is huge. > >The Indian motorcycle folks are always there too. > >Dave Merchant > > >At 11:08 AM 9/18/2008, Mark Shulaw wrote: > >Just wondering will there be any list members going to the shows at > >Wellington Ohio or Luckey Ohio this and next weeks? Mark > > > > > > > > > >Mark & Christine Shulaw > >Bluffton, Ohio > >Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > >Home #419.358.5206 > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Dave Merchant >kosh at nesys.com >nesys_com at ameritech.net >dmerchant at layerzero.com > >http://www.nesys.com >http://www.nesys.org >YouTube: SteamCrane > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From blcksmth at wcnet.org Thu Sep 18 12:54:51 2008 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:54:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wellington Ohio In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080918110704.030a9450@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <000001c912f5$942e9ca0$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2><6.2.1.2.1.20080909235044.03056950@pop3.wcoil.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080918110704.030a9450@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <2EC8311368054E38A9B2CF3ACF294AE5@Eagle> I plan to make Luckey - my home town - early Friday and maybe Sunday afternoon. The SOFA blacksmith get-together in Troy will take up the rest of the weekend. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:09 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Wellington Ohio Just wondering will there be any list members going to the shows at Wellington Ohio or Luckey Ohio this and next weeks? Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, Ohio Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Sep 19 18:07:41 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:07:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 Message-ID: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com> Can someone inform me about the correct way to remove a Phelon flywheel from this beast? There is no apparent fitting points to use a standard puller (thread or hook types) and the flywheel is keyed. -- Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Sep 19 20:13:56 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 04:13:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 References: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <001d01c91ace$ec38cb60$12b40556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "SEL" Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:07 AM Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 > Can someone inform me about the correct way to remove a Phelon flywheel > from this beast? > > There is no apparent fitting points to use a standard puller (thread or > hook types) and the flywheel is keyed. > Cheers, > Al Harris > Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz > al.harris at rustic-engines.com Is the flywheel also part of the magneto? If so see http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1344869335028520097Gdftrx On most of the Villiers smaller engines the securing bolt was also the removal device. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Sep 19 21:30:55 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:30:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 In-Reply-To: <001d01c91ace$ec38cb60$12b40556@intrepid> References: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com> <001d01c91ace$ec38cb60$12b40556@intrepid> Message-ID: <48D47C7F.1010809@rustic-engines.com> I should have posted a photo Dave. My bad. > http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/Picture%20005m.jpg The nut rests up against the flywheel, it is not an integral part of it. As you can see there is nowhere to get leverage on the flywheel (we know there must be though). It is not like your standard Villiers flywheel eh. Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Dave Croft wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Harris" > To: "SEL" > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:07 AM > Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 > > > >> Can someone inform me about the correct way to remove a Phelon flywheel >> from this beast? >> >> There is no apparent fitting points to use a standard puller (thread or >> hook types) and the flywheel is keyed. >> > > >> Cheers, >> Al Harris >> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> > > Is the flywheel also part of the magneto? > If so see > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1344869335028520097Gdftrx > On most of the Villiers smaller engines the securing bolt was also the removal device. > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Sep 19 22:33:37 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:33:37 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 References: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com><001d01c91ace$ec38cb60$12b40556@intrepid> <48D47C7F.1010809@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <53D156ED54F043DEB5033F748996ABF7@your9e74d7efa7> Al ,I am guessing the engine is a four cycle and has a seperate magneto,ie not a flywheel magy. Are you sure the flywheel is keyed? What are the two holes that we can see [look about 6mm] are they threaded and are there more ? A method that can be tried is whilst prying the flywheel away from the backing plate tap the rim with a wooden mallet .It will be sitting on a taper and just might spring off. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 >I should have posted a photo Dave. My bad. > >> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/Picture%20005m.jpg > The nut rests up against the flywheel, it is not an integral part of it. > As you can see there is nowhere to get leverage on the flywheel (we know > there must be though). > It is not like your standard Villiers flywheel eh. > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Dave Croft wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Al Harris" >> To: "SEL" >> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:07 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 >> >> >> >>> Can someone inform me about the correct way to remove a Phelon flywheel >>> from this beast? >>> >>> There is no apparent fitting points to use a standard puller (thread or >>> hook types) and the flywheel is keyed. >>> >> >> >>> Cheers, >>> Al Harris >>> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >>> >> >> Is the flywheel also part of the magneto? >> If so see >> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1344869335028520097Gdftrx >> On most of the Villiers smaller engines the securing bolt was also the >> removal device. >> Dave Croft >> Warrington >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ >> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Sep 19 23:27:30 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:27:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 In-Reply-To: <53D156ED54F043DEB5033F748996ABF7@your9e74d7efa7> References: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com><001d01c91ace$ec38cb60$12b40556@intrepid> <48D47C7F.1010809@rustic-engines.com> <53D156ED54F043DEB5033F748996ABF7@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <48D497D2.7070204@rustic-engines.com> Thanks Peter. I will go through your options one by one. It is four cycle (Norton/Villiers from Ballarat Victoria - C12A) and it is a Phelon (U.S.A.) flywheel maggy. Phelon manufacture many types of Electronic Flywheel Magneto's. Yes it is keyed (I can see it). There is a third hole hidden in the picture. They are blind, smooth holes. For what purpose, I don't know. You can't get any purchase from them. The flywheel sits *inside* the stator plate with only a cigarette paper between (prising not allowed, as I have tried it and the cast plate started to tear with the pressure). Tried tapping until I was blue in the face. Have left a website email with Phelon but have received no answer. Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com peter ogborne wrote: > Al ,I am guessing the engine is a four cycle and has a seperate magneto,ie > not a flywheel magy. > Are you sure the flywheel is keyed? > What are the two holes that we can see [look about 6mm] are they threaded > and are there more ? > A method that can be tried is whilst prying the flywheel away from the > backing plate tap the rim with a wooden mallet .It will be sitting on a > taper and just might spring off. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Harris" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:30 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 > > > >> I should have posted a photo Dave. My bad. >> >> >>> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/Picture%20005m.jpg >>> >> The nut rests up against the flywheel, it is not an integral part of it. >> As you can see there is nowhere to get leverage on the flywheel (we know >> there must be though). >> It is not like your standard Villiers flywheel eh. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Dave Croft wrote: >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Al Harris" >>> To: "SEL" >>> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:07 AM >>> Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Can someone inform me about the correct way to remove a Phelon flywheel >>>> from this beast? >>>> >>>> There is no apparent fitting points to use a standard puller (thread or >>>> hook types) and the flywheel is keyed. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Al Harris >>>> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >>>> >>>> >>> Is the flywheel also part of the magneto? >>> If so see >>> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1344869335028520097Gdftrx >>> On most of the Villiers smaller engines the securing bolt was also the >>> removal device. >>> Dave Croft >>> Warrington >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ >>> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 20 00:20:42 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:20:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 References: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <000301c91af1$645a2680$0200a8c0@PETER> 14lb hammer Al ;-) Peter, Oz > Can someone inform me about the correct way to remove a Phelon flywheel > from this beast? > > There is no apparent fitting points to use a standard puller (thread or > hook types) and the flywheel is keyed. > > > -- > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 20 00:24:40 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:24:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 References: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com><001d01c91ace$ec38cb60$12b40556@intrepid> <48D47C7F.1010809@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <000d01c91af1$f2256fb0$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi Al I have tapped out those three holes and made a puller to pull from the crank. Peter >I should have posted a photo Dave. My bad. > >> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/Picture%20005m.jpg > The nut rests up against the flywheel, it is not an integral part of it. > As you can see there is nowhere to get leverage on the flywheel (we know > there must be though). > It is not like your standard Villiers flywheel eh. > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Dave Croft wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Al Harris" >> To: "SEL" >> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:07 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 >> >> >> >>> Can someone inform me about the correct way to remove a Phelon flywheel >>> from this beast? >>> >>> There is no apparent fitting points to use a standard puller (thread or >>> hook types) and the flywheel is keyed. >>> >> >> >>> Cheers, >>> Al Harris >>> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >>> >> >> Is the flywheel also part of the magneto? >> If so see >> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1344869335028520097Gdftrx >> On most of the Villiers smaller engines the securing bolt was also the >> removal device. >> Dave Croft >> Warrington >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ >> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 00:45:55 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:45:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 In-Reply-To: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com> References: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160809200045xa8a9db9h947f0c729bc47664@mail.gmail.com> On 20/09/2008, Al Harris wrote: > Can someone inform me about the correct way to remove a Phelon flywheel > from this beast? > > There is no apparent fitting points to use a standard puller (thread or > hook types) and the flywheel is keyed. > Cheers, > > Al Harris Al: I checked my Villiers books for the F12 and F15 engines, the later engines with electronic ignition have no instructions for flywheel removal at all. I'd suggest that the dealers would probably have to drill and tap those holes for a puller to get the flywheel off. I'd not hit the flywheel too much, it is only alloy and if it gets distorted it will cause running/balance problems or shed a magnet. Earlier Villiers flywheels used the self-extracting hub nut as you probably know. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Sat Sep 20 00:54:10 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:54:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 In-Reply-To: <000d01c91af1$f2256fb0$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com><001d01c91ace$ec38cb60$12b40556@intrepid> <48D47C7F.1010809@rustic-engines.com> <000d01c91af1$f2256fb0$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <48D4AC22.1090005@rustic-engines.com> That's plan B Peter, if nobody comes up with plan A. Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Al > I have tapped out those three holes and made a puller to pull from the > crank. > Peter > > > > > >> I should have posted a photo Dave. My bad. >> >> >>> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/Picture%20005m.jpg >>> >> The nut rests up against the flywheel, it is not an integral part of it. >> As you can see there is nowhere to get leverage on the flywheel (we know >> there must be though). >> It is not like your standard Villiers flywheel eh. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Dave Croft wrote: >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Al Harris" >>> To: "SEL" >>> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:07 AM >>> Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Can someone inform me about the correct way to remove a Phelon flywheel >>>> from this beast? >>>> >>>> There is no apparent fitting points to use a standard puller (thread or >>>> hook types) and the flywheel is keyed. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Al Harris >>>> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >>>> >>>> >>> Is the flywheel also part of the magneto? >>> If so see >>> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1344869335028520097Gdftrx >>> On most of the Villiers smaller engines the securing bolt was also the >>> removal device. >>> Dave Croft >>> Warrington >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ >>> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Sat Sep 20 01:05:00 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:05:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809200045xa8a9db9h947f0c729bc47664@mail.gmail.com> References: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com> <6f6025160809200045xa8a9db9h947f0c729bc47664@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D4AEAC.7010105@rustic-engines.com> Yeah, thanks Peter, I am treating it *very* carefully. There is a huge pump attached to this engine which has little compression. So, I am attempting to remove the flywheel and stator plate to mate with a Mk12 H1 that has a bung coil. If I can't get the thing apart without damage I may just have to re-ring it and pump Oz dry. ;-) Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Listerdiesel wrote: > On 20/09/2008, Al Harris wrote: > >> Can someone inform me about the correct way to remove a Phelon flywheel >> from this beast? >> >> There is no apparent fitting points to use a standard puller (thread or >> hook types) and the flywheel is keyed. >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> > > Al: > > I checked my Villiers books for the F12 and F15 engines, the later > engines with electronic ignition have no instructions for flywheel > removal at all. > > I'd suggest that the dealers would probably have to drill and tap > those holes for a puller to get the flywheel off. > > I'd not hit the flywheel too much, it is only alloy and if it gets > distorted it will cause running/balance problems or shed a magnet. > > Earlier Villiers flywheels used the self-extracting hub nut as you > probably know. > > Peter > From imatowie at bigpond.com Sat Sep 20 01:24:54 2008 From: imatowie at bigpond.com (Laurie) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:24:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper RV Message-ID: <01d001c91afa$5c9a44d0$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f> Hi everyone, I've just returned to the hobby after quite a few years. I've got myself a Cooper RV, which has a couple of small problems. It has a very weak spark, which I've managed to trace to weak flywheel magnets. Is there a way of re-magnetising these? If not, would anyone have a spare they would be willing to part with? Also, does anyone have a manual they would be willing to copy? Naturally, all costs covered and a few beers as well. Thanks in advance- it's great to be back! Laurie in Melbourne. From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 02:02:24 2008 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 02:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Cleaning water hoppers? In-Reply-To: <0EB55E82-E317-49FA-87ED-90CEA7ECF908@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <127383.53005.qm@web59202.mail.re1.yahoo.com> TO:????? The SEL GUYS ( and GALS ) FROM: Bill Young RE:???? Water hoppers ? Greetings from Japan. Perhaps this thread has been discussed before I started reading SEL.If so, please run some of the good stuff by me.When in the States, I have seen a number of engines with immaculate water hopper interiors.How is decades of rust, grime, etc. removed?The finish I like best is the one similar the the blued barrelof a shotgun. Thanks, Standing by to hear from you. Bill From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 02:34:24 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:34:24 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Cooper RV In-Reply-To: <01d001c91afa$5c9a44d0$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f> References: <01d001c91afa$5c9a44d0$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f> Message-ID: <6f6025160809200234j1ce33034i6f8f756e66ab994f@mail.gmail.com> On 20/09/2008, Laurie wrote: > Hi everyone, > I've just returned to the hobby after quite a few years. I've got myself a > Cooper RV, which has a couple of small problems. It has a very weak spark, > which I've managed to trace to weak flywheel magnets. Is there a way of > re-magnetising these? If not, would anyone have a spare they would be > willing to part with? > Also, does anyone have a manual they would be willing to copy? Naturally, > all costs covered and a few beers as well. > Thanks in advance- it's great to be back! > > Laurie in Melbourne. Laurie: Welcome back to the Lists! You can remagnetize flywheel magnets in situ, see the setup here: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/Mak7.htm The two magneto catalogs for service gear are in the top of this menu: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/PetrolMag.htm You need to find someone with a remagnetiser now.... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From russell at ncable.com.au Sat Sep 20 05:56:57 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:56:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Portland, Barleylands show pictures In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809160005p4fd3dec6nea0c6ca0e30b67bf@mail.gmail.co m> References: <6f6025160809160005p4fd3dec6nea0c6ca0e30b67bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080920225538.022d55d0@ncable.com.au> Peter a super effort. I had to forward the link to my work pc so I could look over them a couple of times. Thanks, Russell At 05:05 PM 16/09/2008, you wrote: >Portland pictures: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08Menu1.htm >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland08/Portland08Menu1.htm >27 menu pages of 24 pictures each = 648 picture pages. > >Portland and Buckley Videos: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08VideoMenu.htm >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland08/Portland08VideoMenu.htm >4 menu pages, 146 video clips > >Barleylands (Essex County Show) >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Barleylands08/Barleylands08Menu1.htm >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Barleylands08/Barleylands08Menu1.htm >4 menu pages of 24 pictures each = 96 picture pages, another 100 to go yet. > > >There are also 9 video clips for Barleylands which are not menued yet: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Barleylands08/Barleylands200801.wmv >through to: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Barleylands08/Barleylands200809.wmv > >or at: > >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Barleylands08/Barleylands200801.wmv >through to: >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Barleylands08/Barleylands200809.wmv > >200801 is the big 100hp Gardner 13HF engine running, the others are >all steam related. 200808 is nearly 11mb. All should run as video >streaming in Windows Media Player. I'll get a menu set up soon. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Sep 20 07:38:27 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:38:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 In-Reply-To: <48D47C7F.1010809@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: Al: I may be missing something here but the way I've always removed flywheels on keyed tapered shafts is to back the nut off a few turns. Then, using a board or soft metal buffer against the end of the nut to keep from dinging it, give it a good whack toward the flywheel with a heavy hammer. The wheel should pop right off. This has worked for me. But then, I don't know a thing about Villers engines so take it with a grain of salt (or whatever). Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 11:31 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 > > > I should have posted a photo Dave. My bad. > > > > http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/Pict > ure%20005m.jpg > The nut rests up against the flywheel, it is not > an integral part of it. > As you can see there is nowhere to get leverage > on the flywheel (we know > there must be though). > It is not like your standard Villiers flywheel eh. > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Dave Croft wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Al Harris" > > To: "SEL" > > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:07 AM > > Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 > > > > > > > >> Can someone inform me about the correct way to > remove a Phelon flywheel > >> from this beast? > >> > >> There is no apparent fitting points to use a > standard puller (thread or > >> hook types) and the flywheel is keyed. > >> > > > > > >> Cheers, > >> Al Harris > >> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz > >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com > >> > > > > Is the flywheel also part of the magneto? > > If so see > > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/13448693 35028520097Gdftrx > On most of the Villiers smaller engines the securing bolt was also the removal device. > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 20 07:00:22 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:00:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning water hoppers? References: <127383.53005.qm@web59202.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004601c91b29$39e41db0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Greetings from Japan. Perhaps this thread has been discussed before I started reading SEL.If so, please run some of the good stuff by me.When in the States, I have seen a number of engines with immaculate water hopper interiors.How is decades of rust, grime, etc. removed?The finish I like best is the one similar the the blued barrelof a shotgun. Thanks, Standing by to hear from you. Bill >>>>>>> Normally I insist on only purchasing engines with the proper service records from owners that insisted on using distilled water in their cooling jackets . Otherwise , it's electrolysis time . I 've had to rod a few out with the a chunk of rebar( ribbed for her pleasure) Just so I can even start to cook it clean . Follow the links Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat Sep 20 12:30:43 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:30:43 EDT Subject: [SEL] Need Help to ID Wrench (OT) Message-ID: Hi, I picked up an adjustable wrench. It has "Made In England" on the handle and other side of the handle has the name "King Dick" in raised letters. Is "King Dick" a manufactures' name or what? Thanks, Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Sep 20 16:20:55 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:20:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Need Help to ID Wrench (OT) References: Message-ID: <00ef01c91b77$894812f0$12b40556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:30 PM Subject: [SEL] Need Help to ID Wrench (OT) > Hi, > I picked up an adjustable wrench. It has "Made In England" on the handle > and other side of the handle has the name "King Dick" in raised letters. Is > "King Dick" a manufactures' name or what? > Thanks, > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA 93454 Hi Francis, "King Dick" spanners are an old established English spanner company. The name seems to causes some amusement among Americans ! I see that they are now on sale in the USA, see http://mdmetric.com/prod/kingdick/products/kd_toolkits.pdf Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 20 16:39:25 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:39:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Help to ID Wrench (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Francis, If you have a King Dick you really don't need to brag about it. Just keep your mouth shut and be happy! (Those who really count will know without your having to brag about it!) Dave PS, The answer to your question is YES! On Sep 20, 2008, at 3:30 PM, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > Hi, > I picked up an adjustable wrench. It has "Made In England" on the > handle > and other side of the handle has the name "King Dick" in raised > letters. Is > "King Dick" a manufactures' name or what? > > Thanks, > > Francis Maciel From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat Sep 20 16:43:09 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:43:09 EDT Subject: [SEL] Need Help to ID Wrench (OT) Message-ID: I would like to thank everyone that answered my inquiry. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 In a message dated 9/20/2008 4:31:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes: Hi Francis, "King Dick" spanners are an old established English spanner company. The name seems to causes some amusement among Americans ! **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 20 16:54:12 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:54:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Need Help to ID Wrench (OT) References: Message-ID: <001a01c91b7c$2e647540$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi Francis Look here http://mdmetric.com/prod/kingdick/info/history.htm http://www.britishfasteners.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=BTF&Category_Code=410 Peter, Oz > Hi, > I picked up an adjustable wrench. It has "Made In England" on the handle > and other side of the handle has the name "King Dick" in raised letters. > Is > "King Dick" a manufactures' name or what? > > Thanks, > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA 93454 > > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 20 17:14:34 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:14:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Help to ID Wrench (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57787E2C-CFE1-4EB2-B5B8-BA3F9B2ECC42@alltel.net> Hi Francis, keep your powder dry as well! Dave On Sep 20, 2008, at 7:43 PM, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > I would like to thank everyone that answered my inquiry. > > > Francis Maciel From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Sat Sep 20 17:46:32 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:46:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 In-Reply-To: <04dd01c91af3$734274c0$0100000a@userf1715627ba> References: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com><001d01c91ace$ec38cb60$12b40556@intrepid> <48D47C7F.1010809@rustic-engines.com> <04dd01c91af3$734274c0$0100000a@userf1715627ba> Message-ID: <48D59968.6020705@rustic-engines.com> Thank you Barry and everybody else who offered assistance. My report is: I have never hit a Nut on the end of a shaft as hard as I hit this one and it was definitely a report. :-) Now to attempt to fit it to my Mk12. :-\ > http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/Phelon-m.jpg Cheers, Al Harris Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Barry Gorman wrote: > I have over thirty Villiers in most guises Seagull Outboard > Engines are villiers motors . > Undo The Nut (not me) A half turn And Give The Nut A sharp Rap With A > hammer, > Same goes to get the pulley off a victa mower < > BARRY GORMAN > GLORIOUS HUNTER VALLEY > NEW SOUTH WALES, 2320 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:30 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 > > >> I should have posted a photo Dave. My bad. >> >>> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/Picture%20005m.jpg >> The nut rests up against the flywheel, it is not an integral part of it. >> As you can see there is nowhere to get leverage on the flywheel (we know >> there must be though). >> It is not like your standard Villiers flywheel eh. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sat Sep 20 17:57:41 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:57:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 References: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com><001d01c91ace$ec38cb60$12b40556@intrepid><48D47C7F.1010809@rustic-engines.com><04dd01c91af3$734274c0$0100000a@userf1715627ba> <48D59968.6020705@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <809D2157B87C4535AF93AA7F6BC4255D@YOURDA6F5028CB> That looks familiar. Cushman scooter engines used some Phelon magnetos. My 1953 Eagle had one. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "Barry Gorman" ; "SEL" Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 > Thank you Barry and everybody else who offered assistance. > > My report is: I have never hit a Nut on the end of a shaft as hard as I > hit this one and it was definitely a report. :-) > > Now to attempt to fit it to my Mk12. :-\ >> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/Phelon-m.jpg > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Barry Gorman wrote: >> I have over thirty Villiers in most guises Seagull Outboard >> Engines are villiers motors . >> Undo The Nut (not me) A half turn And Give The Nut A sharp Rap With A >> hammer, >> Same goes to get the pulley off a victa mower < >> BARRY GORMAN >> GLORIOUS HUNTER VALLEY >> NEW SOUTH WALES, 2320 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 >> >> >>> I should have posted a photo Dave. My bad. >>> >>>> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/Picture%20005m.jpg >>> The nut rests up against the flywheel, it is not an integral part of it. >>> As you can see there is nowhere to get leverage on the flywheel (we know >>> there must be though). >>> It is not like your standard Villiers flywheel eh. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Al Harris >>> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>> >>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1682 - Release Date: 9/20/2008 10:24 AM From ilifa at internode.on.net Sat Sep 20 18:00:08 2008 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:00:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Need Help to ID Wrench (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7985DDA7-774A-4AE8-B89B-138337F6ECA9@internode.on.net> Francis said: > I picked up an adjustable wrench. It has "Made In England" on the > handle > and other side of the handle has the name "King Dick" in raised > letters. Is > "King Dick" a manufactures' name or what? Go to www.kingdicktools.co.uk/ Eric From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 20 21:45:34 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:45:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Brass fitting info wanted in Oz Message-ID: <001a01c91ba4$e2cafc70$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi all Is there someone in Australia that sells 1/8" Brass Square Head Plugs like the one on the right side of second row of this link. http://plumbing.hardwarestore.com/52-330-brass-caps-and-plugs.aspx I want solid plugs, not cored or hollow. I also want brass 1/4" BSP or NPT Unions, third row middle photo below. http://plumbing.hardwarestore.com/52-330-brass-unions-and-couplings.aspx and 5/8" brass pipe, to thread 1/4" NPT or BSP, about 3 foot long. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Sep 21 07:26:23 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:26:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Brass fitting info wanted in Oz In-Reply-To: <001a01c91ba4$e2cafc70$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: Peter: If you don't mind purchasing the fittings from "The Colonies", go to HTTP://WWW.MCMASTER.COM And search for "Brass Pipe Fittings". Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Peter Lowe > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 11:46 PM > To: Oldengine.org; ATIS > Subject: [SEL] Brass fitting info wanted in Oz > > > Hi all > > Is there someone in Australia that sells 1/8" > Brass Square Head Plugs like > the one on the right side of second row of this link. > http://plumbing.hardwarestore.com/52-330-brass-cap > s-and-plugs.aspx > I want solid plugs, not cored or hollow. > > I also want brass 1/4" BSP or NPT Unions, third > row middle photo below. > http://plumbing.hardwarestore.com/52-330-brass-uni > ons-and-couplings.aspx > > and 5/8" brass pipe, to thread 1/4" NPT or BSP, > about 3 foot long. > > Regards > Peter Lowe From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Sep 21 14:09:54 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:09:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Brass fitting info wanted in Oz References: Message-ID: <000501c91c2e$6589c1d0$0200a8c0@PETER> Elden Yes had a look there, will try here first then they are my next step, I am a little fussy what type of fitting I use on this job. Thanks mate. Peter > Peter: > > If you don't mind purchasing the fittings from "The Colonies", go to > > HTTP://WWW.MCMASTER.COM > > And search for "Brass Pipe Fittings". > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Peter Lowe >> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 11:46 PM >> To: Oldengine.org; ATIS >> Subject: [SEL] Brass fitting info wanted in Oz >> >> >> Hi all >> >> Is there someone in Australia that sells 1/8" >> Brass Square Head Plugs like >> the one on the right side of second row of this link. >> http://plumbing.hardwarestore.com/52-330-brass-cap >> s-and-plugs.aspx >> I want solid plugs, not cored or hollow. >> >> I also want brass 1/4" BSP or NPT Unions, third >> row middle photo below. >> http://plumbing.hardwarestore.com/52-330-brass-uni >> ons-and-couplings.aspx >> >> and 5/8" brass pipe, to thread 1/4" NPT or BSP, >> about 3 foot long. >> >> Regards >> Peter Lowe > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Sep 21 15:52:12 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:52:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning water hoppers? In-Reply-To: <004601c91b29$39e41db0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <127383.53005.qm@web59202.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <004601c91b29$39e41db0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <1222037532.48d6d01c1b801@webmail.city-net.com> ROFLMAO!!! Quoting Chuck Balyeat : > I 've had to rod a few out with the > a chunk of rebar( ribbed for her pleasure) From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Sep 21 18:50:30 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:50:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Clarendon Classic Pics Message-ID: Some pics from the rally held over the weekend: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc08/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 21 19:39:49 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:39:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Clarendon Classic Pics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <992BEB72-F7FB-4A22-A7C2-4F46D76ECE2F@alltel.net> GREAT pictures Patrick. THANKS!!!!!!! Dave PS, How do people get close enough to the engines to really see them with that wire all around everything? On Sep 21, 2008, at 9:50 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > Some pics from the rally held over the weekend: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc08/index.htm > > > Patrick M Livingstone From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Sep 21 19:37:08 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:37:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Clarendon Classic Pics In-Reply-To: <992BEB72-F7FB-4A22-A7C2-4F46D76ECE2F@alltel.net> References: <992BEB72-F7FB-4A22-A7C2-4F46D76ECE2F@alltel.net> Message-ID: We don't. I just spend hours in Photoshop drawing pictures of the engines from memory ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- GREAT pictures Patrick. THANKS!!!!!!! Dave PS, How do people get close enough to the engines to really see them with that wire all around everything? From ilifa at internode.on.net Sun Sep 21 20:12:51 2008 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:12:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Clarendon Classic Pics In-Reply-To: <992BEB72-F7FB-4A22-A7C2-4F46D76ECE2F@alltel.net> References: <992BEB72-F7FB-4A22-A7C2-4F46D76ECE2F@alltel.net> Message-ID: <4297A32B-40D7-4224-8B49-81FC23BB8178@internode.on.net> David said: > PS, How do people get close enough to the engines to really see them > with that wire all around everything? Well, David, engines in Australia are far too dangerous to let people near them, so they have to be fenced off. Mind you, it is quite safe to stand on the side of a road with cars going past at high speed. It's all a matter of bureaucracy and litigation. Eric From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Sun Sep 21 23:40:40 2008 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:40:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Clarendon Classic Pics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fantastic pics as usual Patrick. Thanks. RegardsLyndsay > From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:50:30 +1000> Subject: [SEL] 2008 Clarendon Classic Pics> > Some pics from the rally held over the weekend:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc08/index.htm> > > Patrick M Livingstone> Leichhardt NSW> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Net yourself a bargain. Find great deals on eBay. http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Frover%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Frover%2F1%2F705%2D10129%2D5668%2D323%2F4%3Fid%3D10&_t=763807330&_r=hotmailTAGLINES&_m=EXT From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Sep 22 04:35:02 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:35:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Message-ID: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the silver on antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some one that will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. thanks in advance, Curt Andree From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Sep 22 05:19:03 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:19:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors References: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000a01c91cad$66c84290$0200a8c0@PETER> Try Larry Evans, he might know a source. They had the mirrors on Mt Wilson coated but you could not afford that mate. They go through a special process $$$$$$$$$$ Peter > Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the silver > on > antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some one that > will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. > thanks in advance, > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Sep 22 06:08:08 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:08:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors In-Reply-To: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <1222088888.48d798b84d8bc@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Curt, Lotsa "mirror resilvering" hits on Google... http://www.make-stuff.com/formulas/mirrors.html http://www.mirrorresilvering.com/ http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/asktoh/question/0,,1192156,00.html http://chestofbooks.com/reference/Henley-s-20th-Century-Formulas-Recipes-Processes-Vol2/Resilvering-Mirrors.html http://www.hgtv.com/ah-moneysaving-repairs/mirror-re-silvering/index.html etc. etc. Including a lot of commercial resilverers. Have fun! See ya, Arnie Quoting cgandree at mchsi.com: > Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the silver on > antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some one that > will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Sep 22 07:46:51 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:46:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Clarendon Classic Pics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Patrick! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick M > Livingstone > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 08:51 PM > To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary > Engine Mailing List > Subject: [SEL] 2008 Clarendon Classic Pics > > > Some pics from the rally held over the weekend: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc08/index.htm > > > Patrick M Livingstone From tsmith at hal-pc.org Mon Sep 22 07:21:58 2008 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:21:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors In-Reply-To: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Curt, This is a relatively simple and painless process. Amateur astronomers that build their own Newtonian reflectors know it well. You should be able to Google this for information and if you come up empty, I can look in some of my ATM books for the process. It's not done as much any more because most people are aluminizing their mirrors, which isn't quite as brite/reflective but lasts longer with overcoating. The aluminizing process isn't a home shop process but is comercially available. The other option is local mirror/glass outfits do mirror refinishing. This might be a more cost effective way for you because the materials have to be purchased that will do a much larger area and your mirror is probably small. Tom On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:35:02 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the >silver on > antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some >one that > will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. > thanks in advance, > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lfevans at pacbell.net Mon Sep 22 08:29:21 2008 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:29:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors In-Reply-To: <000a01c91cad$66c84290$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <000a01c91cad$66c84290$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20080922082725.04413fc0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Hi.... Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mirror/ to see what is involved in handling a really big mirror. Larry At 05:19 AM 9/22/2008, you wrote: >Try Larry Evans, he might know a source. They had the mirrors on Mt Wilson >coated but you could not afford that mate. They go through a special process >$$$$$$$$$$ >Peter > > > > > > > Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the silver > > on > > antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some one that > > will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. > > thanks in advance, > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Sep 22 14:34:36 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:34:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors References: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com><000a01c91cad$66c84290$0200a8c0@PETER> <6.0.1.1.2.20080922082725.04413fc0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c91cfb$03308410$0200a8c0@PETER> Man, you Evan's boys have the ultimate playhouse/workshop up on that mountain ;-)) Peter, Oz > Hi.... > > Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mirror/ > to see what is involved in handling a really big mirror. > > Larry > > At 05:19 AM 9/22/2008, you wrote: >>Try Larry Evans, he might know a source. They had the mirrors on Mt Wilson >>coated but you could not afford that mate. They go through a special >>process >>$$$$$$$$$$ >>Peter >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the >> > silver >> > on >> > antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some one >> > that >> > will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. >> > thanks in advance, >> > Curt Andree >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Larry Evans > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Mon Sep 22 15:21:16 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:21:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors In-Reply-To: <000501c91cfb$03308410$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com><000a01c91cad$66c84290$0200a8c0@PETER> <6.0.1.1.2.20080922082725.04413fc0@pop.att.yahoo.com> <000501c91cfb$03308410$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <48D81A5C.2000603@rustic-engines.com> Your playpen I would *not* describe as "hell on earth". :-P Cheers, Al Harris Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Peter Lowe wrote: > Man, you Evan's boys have the ultimate playhouse/workshop up on that > mountain ;-)) > Peter, Oz > > > > >> Hi.... >> >> Take a look at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mirror/ >> to see what is involved in handling a really big mirror. >> >> Larry >> >> At 05:19 AM 9/22/2008, you wrote: >> >>> Try Larry Evans, he might know a source. They had the mirrors on Mt Wilson >>> coated but you could not afford that mate. They go through a special >>> process >>> $$$$$$$$$$ >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the >>>> silver >>>> on >>>> antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some one >>>> that >>>> will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. >>>> thanks in advance, >>>> Curt Andree >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> Larry Evans >> MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 22 15:33:23 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:33:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors References: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com><000a01c91cad$66c84290$0200a8c0@PETER><6.0.1.1.2.20080922082725.04413fc0@pop.att.yahoo.com> <000501c91cfb$03308410$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <000601c91d03$39aaebe0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> If you are on a budget , I redid one with "chrome" spray paint and it looks great . Has to be polished smooth first or nothoing will work right . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Sep 22 15:47:24 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:47:24 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Message-ID: <092220082247.11145.48D8207B000E258300002B89219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Pete.........yes way out of my ball park!!!! Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:23:11 +0000 > Try Larry Evans, he might know a source. They had the mirrors on Mt Wilson > coated but you could not afford that mate. They go through a special process > $$$$$$$$$$ > Peter > > > > > > > Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the silver > > on > > antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some one that > > will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. > > thanks in advance, > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 22 16:47:51 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:47:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A good weekend Message-ID: <78D01AE8E1E9422BB793969852A549B7@PML> As well as a very successful rally for our club on the weekend I had two great moments. 1. I was handed the QLD Shipping records for the Austral Engines (a massive boost for the register). 2. I spoke to the guy who pulled the Columbus that I now own out of the shale mine where it was installed new. It was used to pump water out of the mine where they were digging up shale to produce shale oil and petroleum. This mine was the first in Australia to produce petroleum so there is a pretty good chance that my Columbus was the first engine to run on Australian made petroleum. I am going to organise a trip out to see where the Columbus came out of. Apparently it is a very difficulty to access place and getting the engine out (and in there in the first place) was quite a feat. I will leave a rally report for one of the other list members who were there. Perhaps one of them can explain the story of how Kerry became known as 'butter bum'...... Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Sep 22 18:35:00 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:35:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Message-ID: <092320080135.15494.48D847C40002713900003C86219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hey Arnie, Decided to send the worn out mirror to the guy at Reflections Again Mirror Resilvering. Very good price and fast turn around. Thank you very much for all your help. Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: fero_ah at city-net.com To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:13:17 +0000 > Hi Curt, > > Lotsa "mirror resilvering" hits on Google... > > http://www.make-stuff.com/formulas/mirrors.html > http://www.mirrorresilvering.com/ > http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/asktoh/question/0,,1192156,00.html > http://chestofbooks.com/reference/Henley-s-20th-Century-Formulas-Recipes-Process > es-Vol2/Resilvering-Mirrors.html > http://www.hgtv.com/ah-moneysaving-repairs/mirror-re-silvering/index.html > > etc. etc. Including a lot of commercial resilverers. > > Have fun! See ya, Arnie > > Quoting cgandree at mchsi.com: > > > Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the silver on > > antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some one that > > will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Sep 22 18:36:35 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:36:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Message-ID: <092320080136.18124.48D84823000C990C000046CC219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Chuck going to send it to Reflections Again Mirror Co. Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:43:09 +0000 > If you are on a budget , I redid one with "chrome" spray paint and it > looks great . Has to be polished smooth first or nothoing will work right . > > > > > > > > Chuck Balyeat > http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Sep 22 18:38:50 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:38:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Message-ID: <092320080138.20074.48D848AA00094B8C00004E6A219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Larry, but this is only a 2 1/2 X 7" rear view car mirror. I am not looking for things in outer space. Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: Larry Evans To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:33:40 +0000 > Hi.... > > Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mirror/ > to see what is involved in handling a really big mirror. > > Larry > > At 05:19 AM 9/22/2008, you wrote: > >Try Larry Evans, he might know a source. They had the mirrors on Mt Wilson > >coated but you could not afford that mate. They go through a special process > >$$$$$$$$$$ > >Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the silver > > > on > > > antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some one that > > > will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. > > > thanks in advance, > > > Curt Andree > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Larry Evans > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Sep 22 18:39:55 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:39:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Message-ID: <092320080139.20808.48D848EB0005281200005148219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Tom, but going to send it off to a pro. In the long run will be better and cheaper. Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Tom Smith" To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:33:40 +0000 > Curt, > > This is a relatively simple and painless process. Amateur astronomers > that build their own Newtonian reflectors know it well. > > You should be able to Google this for information and if you come up > empty, I can look in some of my ATM books for the process. It's not > done as much any more because most people are aluminizing their > mirrors, which isn't quite as brite/reflective but lasts longer with > overcoating. The aluminizing process isn't a home shop process but is > comercially available. > > The other option is local mirror/glass outfits do mirror refinishing. > This might be a more cost effective way for you because the materials > have to be purchased that will do a much larger area and your mirror > is probably small. > > Tom > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:35:02 +0000 > cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > > Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the > >silver on > > antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some > >one that > > will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. > > thanks in advance, > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Sep 22 23:26:24 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:26:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A good weekend In-Reply-To: <78D01AE8E1E9422BB793969852A549B7@PML> References: <78D01AE8E1E9422BB793969852A549B7@PML> Message-ID: <1222151184.48d88c10aa133@webmail.city-net.com> Patrick, Jeeze what an awesome day!! What an information haul! Please tell us that you're not gonna leave us hanging as to Kerry's new nickname; "butter bum"? See ya, Arnie PS - The TRUTH about ol' "butter bum" has got to be far less horrific that what we've all begun to imagine. PPS - And I assume its far too much to ask for good ol' Kerry to speak up and defend himself? 8->> Quoting Patrick M Livingstone : > As well as a very successful rally for our club on the weekend I had two > great moments. > 1. I was handed the QLD Shipping records for the Austral Engines (a massive > boost for the register). > 2. I spoke to the guy who pulled the Columbus that I now own out of the > shale mine where it was installed new. It was used to pump water out of the > mine where they were digging up shale to produce shale oil and petroleum. > This mine was the first in Australia to produce petroleum so there is a > pretty good chance that my Columbus was the first engine to run on > Australian made petroleum. I am going to organise a trip out to see where > the Columbus came out of. Apparently it is a very difficulty to access place > and getting the engine out (and in there in the first place) was quite a > feat. > I will leave a rally report for one of the other list members who were > there. Perhaps one of them can explain the story of how Kerry became known > as 'butter bum'...... From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Sep 23 02:24:42 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:24:42 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080923110845.02b34208@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, I need to reproduce a brass spec. plate for a Fairbanks Morse "Jack of all Trades" for a local collector but have no idea of what it looks like or size of it. Can anyone help with good clear pics and possibly size & hole centres please ? On the subject of spec plates, I've been catching up on artwork for the last few weeks and am starting to etch a new batch tomorrow and will be catching up on quite a few outstanding orders (yours as well Luke but not yours yet Elden). If there is anyone else who is waiting for a plate and I have not contacted you off list in the last few weeks please give me a reminder "off list". Many thanks Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue Sep 23 07:02:41 2008 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:02:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors In-Reply-To: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010 CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20080923110247.747432282BA@md5.pennswoods.net> Curt your mention of the Hudson Wasp brought back many memories. We built a stock car back in the 60s with a jet or wasp engine [one with two carbs] was quite a runner. 8-) R Fink At 11:35 AM 9/22/2008 +0000, you wrote: >Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the silver on >antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some one that >will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. >thanks in advance, >Curt Andree >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1684 - Release Date: >9/22/2008 6:39 AM From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 23 06:01:20 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:01:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors References: <092320080136.18124.48D84823000C990C000046CC219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <002801c91d7c$7a0a37d0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I got the idea it was a 2 piece bucket headlight anyway , that would look like crap on a sidemirror ! > Thanks Chuck going to send it to Reflections Again Mirror Co. > Curt > >> If you are on a budget , I redid one with "chrome" spray paint and it >> looks great . Has to be polished smooth first or nothoing will work right >> . From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Sep 23 07:23:40 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:23:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20080923110845.02b34208@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: It depends on the type of plate you're talking about. I believe the early Jack of All Trades engines had a cast plate, while the later ones (and the replacement cylinders) had stamped plates. If you need one like the one on my Jack (take a look at the web page below), I can take a clear photo of it and email that and dimensions back to you. Just let me know. No problem on the wait for the plate for the Hoyt-Clagwell Engine Company plate. Take your time. Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 04:25 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. > > > Hi Guys, > I need to reproduce a brass spec. plate > for a Fairbanks Morse > "Jack of all Trades" for a local collector but > have no idea of what it > looks like or size of it. > > Can anyone help with good clear pics and > possibly size & hole > centres please ? > > On the subject of spec plates, I've been > catching up on artwork > for the last few weeks and am starting to etch a > new batch tomorrow and > will be catching up on quite a few outstanding > orders (yours as well Luke > but not yours yet Elden). > > If there is anyone else who is waiting > for a plate and I have not > contacted you off list in the last few weeks > please give me a reminder "off > list". > > Many thanks > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Sep 23 07:25:50 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:25:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors In-Reply-To: <20080923110247.747432282BA@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: Richard: Ahhh, yes! The big flathead 308 CI six cylinder. The one with the "export kit", which included the aluminum high compression head, the hot cam and the dual carbs. Head gaskets and valve guides are what I remember most about 'em. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Richard > Fink Sr > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 09:03 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors > > > Curt your mention of the Hudson Wasp brought back > many memories. We > built a stock car back in the 60s with a jet or > wasp engine [one with > two carbs] was quite a runner. 8-) > R Fink > > > At 11:35 AM 9/22/2008 +0000, you wrote: > >Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a > source to recoat the silver on > >antique mirrors. Has anybody done this > procedure or know of some one that > >will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in > my 52 Hudson Wasp. > >thanks in advance, > >Curt Andree > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG. > >Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1684 > - Release Date: > >9/22/2008 6:39 AM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Tue Sep 23 07:34:17 2008 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:34:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20080923110845.02b34208@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080923110845.02b34208@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20D2C4AE027440CA916ECDCC7E29C0A1@Waynexp> Greetings Jerry, I have a 9 HP FM-T with a tag. It is a Special Electric but the tag should be the same I believe. I will be out to the Museum this weekend and will try and remember to take pictures for you if you would like. I also need a tag like this and have been going to contact you. Hopefully we can get together to make some of these. Let me know what you think. Cheers, Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:25 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. Hi Guys, I need to reproduce a brass spec. plate for a Fairbanks Morse "Jack of all Trades" for a local collector but have no idea of what it looks like or size of it. Can anyone help with good clear pics and possibly size & hole centres please ? On the subject of spec plates, I've been catching up on artwork for the last few weeks and am starting to etch a new batch tomorrow and will be catching up on quite a few outstanding orders (yours as well Luke but not yours yet Elden). If there is anyone else who is waiting for a plate and I have not contacted you off list in the last few weeks please give me a reminder "off list". Many thanks Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From imatowie at bigpond.com Tue Sep 23 08:00:09 2008 From: imatowie at bigpond.com (Laurie) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:00:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper RV References: <01d001c91afa$5c9a44d0$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f> <6f6025160809200234j1ce33034i6f8f756e66ab994f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00c101c91d8d$12bab530$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f> Thanks Peter- now I have to find someone with a remagnetiser! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooper RV > On 20/09/2008, Laurie wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> I've just returned to the hobby after quite a few years. I've got myself >> a >> Cooper RV, which has a couple of small problems. It has a very weak >> spark, >> which I've managed to trace to weak flywheel magnets. Is there a way of >> re-magnetising these? If not, would anyone have a spare they would be >> willing to part with? >> Also, does anyone have a manual they would be willing to copy? Naturally, >> all costs covered and a few beers as well. >> Thanks in advance- it's great to be back! >> >> Laurie in Melbourne. > > Laurie: > > Welcome back to the Lists! > > You can remagnetize flywheel magnets in situ, see the setup here: > > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/Mak7.htm > > The two magneto catalogs for service gear are in the top of this menu: > > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/PetrolMag.htm > > You need to find someone with a remagnetiser now.... :-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Sep 23 09:24:33 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:24:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. In-Reply-To: <20D2C4AE027440CA916ECDCC7E29C0A1@Waynexp> Message-ID: <20080923162435.4AE974054A1@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi Wayne, My 3 horse electric,4horse, and 6hp. All take a etched plate with 3.10 x5.080 mounting centers. Do the larger T's use that size or a bigger plate? These are straight line measurements , not arched. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagn,415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Thackery Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:34 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. Greetings Jerry, I have a 9 HP FM-T with a tag. It is a Special Electric but the tag should be the same I believe. I will be out to the Museum this weekend and will try and remember to take pictures for you if you would like. I also need a tag like this and have been going to contact you. Hopefully we can get together to make some of these. Let me know what you think. Cheers, Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:25 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. Hi Guys, I need to reproduce a brass spec. plate for a Fairbanks Morse "Jack of all Trades" for a local collector but have no idea of what it looks like or size of it. Can anyone help with good clear pics and possibly size & hole centres please ? On the subject of spec plates, I've been catching up on artwork for the last few weeks and am starting to etch a new batch tomorrow and will be catching up on quite a few outstanding orders (yours as well Luke but not yours yet Elden). If there is anyone else who is waiting for a plate and I have not contacted you off list in the last few weeks please give me a reminder "off list". Many thanks Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Sep 23 11:18:06 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:18:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20080923110845.02b34208@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: I've just P.M.'d you a photo and dimensions. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 04:25 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. > > > Hi Guys, > I need to reproduce a brass spec. plate > for a Fairbanks Morse > "Jack of all Trades" for a local collector but > have no idea of what it > looks like or size of it. > > Can anyone help with good clear pics and > possibly size & hole > centres please ? > > On the subject of spec plates, I've been > catching up on artwork > for the last few weeks and am starting to etch a > new batch tomorrow and > will be catching up on quite a few outstanding > orders (yours as well Luke > but not yours yet Elden). > > If there is anyone else who is waiting > for a plate and I have not > contacted you off list in the last few weeks > please give me a reminder "off > list". > > Many thanks > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Sep 23 10:35:17 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:35:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Year ? Message-ID: <20080923.133520.884.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, Can anyone tell me the year of a 2 HP NOVO upright hopper cooled - Number 17708. Wendel's Notebook says anything before 40000 = July 30, 1918. I'd like to get a little more precise if possible. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "People are certainly peculiar - they want the front of the bus, (_o_) the back of the church and the middle of the road." ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m7tDLCH6rxU0aR5BsICIQy6TRIaUMZSIv04ekgJ5bKbnrON/ From MaytagTwin at aol.com Tue Sep 23 10:41:36 2008 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:41:36 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Message-ID: In a message dated 9/23/2008 8:31:50 AM Central Daylight Time, edurand at mchsi.com writes: Ahhh, yes! The big flathead 308 CI six cylinder. The one with the "export kit", which included the aluminum high compression head, the hot cam and the dual carbs. Head gaskets and valve guides are what I remember most about 'em. Take care - Elden That, and they had a back seat the size of a playground! Ron **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Sep 23 10:47:41 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors In-Reply-To: <092320080138.20074.48D848AA00094B8C00004E6A219791332903010CD2079C080C 03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <092320080138.20074.48D848AA00094B8C00004E6A219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4519.165.206.180.28.1222192061.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> There's an outfit over west that does classic car mirrors, etc. for less than a $20 bill as I recall. I looked it up last year to get the mirror for my Javelin redone - and preserve the glass markings in the process. You send them the mirror and they re-silver it. Now sure if I got the tip on the amcforum or googled it..... > Thanks Larry, but this is only a 2 1/2 X 7" rear view car mirror. I am > not > looking for things in outer space. > Curt > > > ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- > From: Larry Evans > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors > Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:33:40 +0000 > >> Hi.... >> >> Take a look at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mirror/ >> to see what is involved in handling a really big mirror. >> >> Larry >> >> At 05:19 AM 9/22/2008, you wrote: >> >Try Larry Evans, he might know a source. They had the mirrors on Mt >> Wilson >> >coated but you could not afford that mate. They go through a special >> process >> >$$$$$$$$$$ >> >Peter >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the >> silver >> > > on >> > > antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some >> one that >> > > will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. >> > > thanks in advance, >> > > Curt Andree >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > SEL mailing list >> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >SEL mailing list >> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> Larry Evans >> MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Sep 23 12:20:29 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ron: Of course, I wouldn't know anything about that. ;-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > MaytagTwin at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:42 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors > > > > In a message dated 9/23/2008 8:31:50 AM Central > Daylight Time, > edurand at mchsi.com writes: > > Ahhh, yes! The big flathead 308 CI six > cylinder. The one with the "export > kit", which included the aluminum high > compression head, the hot cam and the > dual carbs. Head gaskets and valve guides are > what I remember most about > 'em. > > Take care - Elden > > > That, and they had a back seat the size of a playground! > Ron From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue Sep 23 12:05:05 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:05:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_independant_harvester?= Message-ID: <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi, Is there anyone who has or knows of any information or dating lists for independent harvester engines. Thanks , Craig in Scotland From oldironnut at alltel.net Tue Sep 23 12:05:50 2008 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:05:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rock Crusher In-Reply-To: <20080923.133520.884.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20080923.133520.884.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Howdy all, My father-in-law, Roger, has found a New Holland #12 rock crusher that is about to go to the scrap yard. He will probably go to take a look at it tomorrow but here is the description that he has. It weighs 2700 pounds and the legs for the base are about 4 feet square, it has two, 3.5 to 4 foot flywheels with one of the flywheels being the drive pulley as well (it's about a 6 inch face) and the rock crusher hopper part is roughly 18 inches square. The guy is willing to hold onto it for a few days before it goes to the scrap yard and he wants $270 for it ($0.10/pound for cast iron scrap price). I assume something like this would be driven by a tractor so how big of a tractor would it take? Is anyone interested in this beast? If so we can get it and hold it until you can come and get it. If you are we probably need to act quickly. See ya', Mike ______________________ Michael Tucker 400 Sellers Mill Road Versailles, Kentucky 40383 859-879-2108 ______________________ From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 23 12:48:44 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:48:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rock Crusher In-Reply-To: References: <20080923.133520.884.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: There was a similar outfit on Harry's Classified page several days ago. See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/14082/cat/all Dave On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:05 PM, Michael Tucker wrote: > Howdy all, > > My father-in-law, Roger, has found a New Holland #12 rock crusher that > is about to go to the scrap yard. He will probably go to take a look > at it tomorrow but here is the description that he has. It weighs > 2700 pounds and the legs for the base are about 4 feet square, it has > two, 3.5 to 4 foot flywheels with one of the flywheels being the drive > pulley as well (it's about a 6 inch face) and the rock crusher hopper > part is roughly 18 inches square. The guy is willing to hold onto it > for a few days before it goes to the scrap yard and he wants $270 for > it ($0.10/pound for cast iron scrap price). > > I assume something like this would be driven by a tractor so how big > of a tractor would it take? > > Is anyone interested in this beast? If so we can get it and hold it > until you can come and get it. If you are we probably need to act > quickly. > > See ya', > Mike From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 23 12:50:07 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:50:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam> independant harvester In-Reply-To: <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <4D220341-2A26-425F-A509-7703C5389067@alltel.net> Hi Craig, The answer to your question is "Yes." Dave On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:05 PM, craig morrison wrote: > Hi, > Is there anyone who has or knows of any information or > dating lists for independent harvester engines. > > Thanks , Craig in Scotland From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue Sep 23 12:58:39 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:58:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> independant harvester References: <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <4D220341-2A26-425F-A509-7703C5389067@alltel.net> Message-ID: <45A17929E61E480DA9B890951CBF81D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Dave, As always your ready with a sharp answer although it is usually the same one !! Craig P.S : Been through any wishy washys lately ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> independant harvester > Hi Craig, The answer to your question is "Yes." > Dave > > > > On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:05 PM, craig morrison wrote: > >> Hi, >> Is there anyone who has or knows of any information or >> dating lists for independent harvester engines. >> >> Thanks , Craig in Scotland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Sep 23 14:03:10 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:03:10 EDT Subject: [SEL] A good weekend Message-ID: In a message dated 9/22/2008 7:52:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: I was handed the QLD Shipping records for the Austral Engines Patrick, That is just great that those records have been saved all these years! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Sep 23 14:19:13 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:19:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper RV References: <01d001c91afa$5c9a44d0$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f><6f6025160809200234j1ce33034i6f8f756e66ab994f@mail.gmail.com> <00c101c91d8d$12bab530$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f> Message-ID: <000901c91dc2$07085fa0$0200a8c0@PETER> An older auto electrican might have one, there are people who advertise in TOMM. Peter, Oz > Thanks Peter- now I have to find someone with a remagnetiser! > >> On 20/09/2008, Laurie wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> I've just returned to the hobby after quite a few years. I've got myself >>> a >>> Cooper RV, which has a couple of small problems. It has a very weak >>> spark, >>> which I've managed to trace to weak flywheel magnets. Is there a way of >>> re-magnetising these? If not, would anyone have a spare they would be >>> willing to part with? >>> Also, does anyone have a manual they would be willing to copy? >>> Naturally, >>> all costs covered and a few beers as well. >>> Thanks in advance- it's great to be back! >>> >>> Laurie in Melbourne. >> >> Laurie: >> >> Welcome back to the Lists! >> >> You can remagnetize flywheel magnets in situ, see the setup here: >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/Mak7.htm >> >> The two magneto catalogs for service gear are in the top of this menu: >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/PetrolMag.htm >> >> You need to find someone with a remagnetiser now.... :-)) >> >> Peter >> -- >> Peter A Forbes >> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 23 14:38:17 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:38:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam> independant harvester In-Reply-To: <45A17929E61E480DA9B890951CBF81D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <4D220341-2A26-425F-A509-7703C5389067@alltel.net> <45A17929E61E480DA9B890951CBF81D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:58 PM, craig morrison wrote: > Dave, > Craig > P.S : Been through any wishy washys lately ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dave From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Sep 23 14:35:04 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:35:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper RV In-Reply-To: <000901c91dc2$07085fa0$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <01d001c91afa$5c9a44d0$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f><6f6025160809200234j1ce33034i6f8f756e66ab994f@mail.gmail.com> <00c101c91d8d$12bab530$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f> <000901c91dc2$07085fa0$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <48D96108.30809@rustic-engines.com> Or build your own? > http://www.ploughbooksales.com.au/005618.htm Cheers, Al Harris Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Peter Lowe wrote: > An older auto electrican might have one, there are people who advertise in > TOMM. > Peter, Oz > > > > >> Thanks Peter- now I have to find someone with a remagnetiser! >> > > >>> On 20/09/2008, Laurie wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> I've just returned to the hobby after quite a few years. I've got myself >>>> a >>>> Cooper RV, which has a couple of small problems. It has a very weak >>>> spark, >>>> which I've managed to trace to weak flywheel magnets. Is there a way of >>>> re-magnetising these? If not, would anyone have a spare they would be >>>> willing to part with? >>>> Also, does anyone have a manual they would be willing to copy? >>>> Naturally, >>>> all costs covered and a few beers as well. >>>> Thanks in advance- it's great to be back! >>>> >>>> Laurie in Melbourne. >>>> >>> Laurie: >>> >>> Welcome back to the Lists! >>> >>> You can remagnetize flywheel magnets in situ, see the setup here: >>> >>> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/Mak7.htm >>> >>> The two magneto catalogs for service gear are in the top of this menu: >>> >>> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/PetrolMag.htm >>> >>> You need to find someone with a remagnetiser now.... :-)) >>> >>> Peter >>> -- >>> Peter A Forbes >>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>> > From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Sep 23 15:06:33 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:06:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper RV References: <01d001c91afa$5c9a44d0$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f><6f6025160809200234j1ce33034i6f8f756e66ab994f@mail.gmail.com> <00c101c91d8d$12bab530$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f><000901c91dc2$07085fa0$0200a8c0@PETER> <48D96108.30809@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <002b01c91dc8$a43bb190$0200a8c0@PETER> There are plenty of web sites without buy books. Peter > Or build your own? > >> http://www.ploughbooksales.com.au/005618.htm > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Peter Lowe wrote: >> An older auto electrican might have one, there are people who advertise >> in >> TOMM. >> Peter, Oz >> >> >> >> >>> Thanks Peter- now I have to find someone with a remagnetiser! >>> >> >> >>>> On 20/09/2008, Laurie wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> I've just returned to the hobby after quite a few years. I've got >>>>> myself >>>>> a >>>>> Cooper RV, which has a couple of small problems. It has a very weak >>>>> spark, >>>>> which I've managed to trace to weak flywheel magnets. Is there a way >>>>> of >>>>> re-magnetising these? If not, would anyone have a spare they would be >>>>> willing to part with? >>>>> Also, does anyone have a manual they would be willing to copy? >>>>> Naturally, >>>>> all costs covered and a few beers as well. >>>>> Thanks in advance- it's great to be back! >>>>> >>>>> Laurie in Melbourne. >>>>> >>>> Laurie: >>>> >>>> Welcome back to the Lists! >>>> >>>> You can remagnetize flywheel magnets in situ, see the setup here: >>>> >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/Mak7.htm >>>> >>>> The two magneto catalogs for service gear are in the top of this menu: >>>> >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/PetrolMag.htm >>>> >>>> You need to find someone with a remagnetiser now.... :-)) >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> -- >>>> Peter A Forbes >>>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>>> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Sep 23 15:49:42 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:49:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper RV In-Reply-To: <002b01c91dc8$a43bb190$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <01d001c91afa$5c9a44d0$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f><6f6025160809200234j1ce33034i6f8f756e66ab994f@mail.gmail.com> <00c101c91d8d$12bab530$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f><000901c91dc2$07085fa0$0200a8c0@PETER> <48D96108.30809@rustic-engines.com> <002b01c91dc8$a43bb190$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <48D97286.3020804@rustic-engines.com> I'm sure Laurie would appreciate a URL or two then. ;-) Cheers, Al Harris Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Peter Lowe wrote: > There are plenty of web sites without buy books. > Peter > > > > > >> Or build your own? >> >> >>> http://www.ploughbooksales.com.au/005618.htm >>> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Peter Lowe wrote: >> >>> An older auto electrican might have one, there are people who advertise >>> in >>> TOMM. >>> Peter, Oz >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Thanks Peter- now I have to find someone with a remagnetiser! >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>> On 20/09/2008, Laurie wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>> I've just returned to the hobby after quite a few years. I've got >>>>>> myself >>>>>> a >>>>>> Cooper RV, which has a couple of small problems. It has a very weak >>>>>> spark, >>>>>> which I've managed to trace to weak flywheel magnets. Is there a way >>>>>> of >>>>>> re-magnetising these? If not, would anyone have a spare they would be >>>>>> willing to part with? >>>>>> Also, does anyone have a manual they would be willing to copy? >>>>>> Naturally, >>>>>> all costs covered and a few beers as well. >>>>>> Thanks in advance- it's great to be back! >>>>>> >>>>>> Laurie in Melbourne. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Laurie: >>>>> >>>>> Welcome back to the Lists! >>>>> >>>>> You can remagnetize flywheel magnets in situ, see the setup here: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/Mak7.htm >>>>> >>>>> The two magneto catalogs for service gear are in the top of this menu: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/PetrolMag.htm >>>>> >>>>> You need to find someone with a remagnetiser now.... :-)) >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> -- >>>>> Peter A Forbes >>>>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>>>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>>>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Sep 23 16:08:52 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:08:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper RV References: <01d001c91afa$5c9a44d0$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f><6f6025160809200234j1ce33034i6f8f756e66ab994f@mail.gmail.com> <00c101c91d8d$12bab530$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f><000901c91dc2$07085fa0$0200a8c0@PETER><48D96108.30809@rustic-engines.com> <002b01c91dc8$a43bb190$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <003b01c91dd1$58aef080$0200a8c0@PETER> Hey Al, Try here: http://www.rake60.com/flywheel_magnet_recharger.htm Peter > There are plenty of web sites without buy books. > Peter > > > > >> Or build your own? >> >>> http://www.ploughbooksales.com.au/005618.htm >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Peter Lowe wrote: >>> An older auto electrican might have one, there are people who advertise >>> in >>> TOMM. >>> Peter, Oz >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Thanks Peter- now I have to find someone with a remagnetiser! >>>> >>> >>> >>>>> On 20/09/2008, Laurie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>> I've just returned to the hobby after quite a few years. I've got >>>>>> myself >>>>>> a >>>>>> Cooper RV, which has a couple of small problems. It has a very weak >>>>>> spark, >>>>>> which I've managed to trace to weak flywheel magnets. Is there a way >>>>>> of >>>>>> re-magnetising these? If not, would anyone have a spare they would be >>>>>> willing to part with? >>>>>> Also, does anyone have a manual they would be willing to copy? >>>>>> Naturally, >>>>>> all costs covered and a few beers as well. >>>>>> Thanks in advance- it's great to be back! >>>>>> >>>>>> Laurie in Melbourne. >>>>>> >>>>> Laurie: >>>>> >>>>> Welcome back to the Lists! >>>>> >>>>> You can remagnetize flywheel magnets in situ, see the setup here: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/Mak7.htm >>>>> >>>>> The two magneto catalogs for service gear are in the top of this menu: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/PetrolMag.htm >>>>> >>>>> You need to find someone with a remagnetiser now.... :-)) >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> -- >>>>> Peter A Forbes >>>>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>>>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>>>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Sep 23 17:10:21 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:10:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper RV In-Reply-To: <003b01c91dd1$58aef080$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <01d001c91afa$5c9a44d0$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f><6f6025160809200234j1ce33034i6f8f756e66ab994f@mail.gmail.com> <00c101c91d8d$12bab530$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f><000901c91dc2$07085fa0$0200a8c0@PETER><48D96108.30809@rustic-engines.com> <002b01c91dc8$a43bb190$0200a8c0@PETER> <003b01c91dd1$58aef080$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <48D9856D.1040407@rustic-engines.com> Hey Laurie, > Try here: > http://www.rake60.com/flywheel_magnet_recharger.htm > > Peter > > > :-))))))))) From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Tue Sep 23 17:29:12 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:29:12 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D989D8.4070607@optusnet.com.au> MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/23/2008 8:31:50 AM Central Daylight Time, > edurand at mchsi.com writes: > > Ahhh, yes! The big flathead 308 CI six cylinder.9snipped) > > That, and they had a back seat the size of a playground! > Ron > The back seat WAS a playground! JW? From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 22:44:31 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:44:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> independant harvester In-Reply-To: <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <6f6025160809232244i150d3baeuc102a942c9c241d8@mail.gmail.com> On 23/09/2008, craig morrison wrote: > Hi, > Is there anyone who has or knows of any information or dating lists > for independent harvester engines. > > Thanks , Craig in Scotland Do you mean International Harvester ? http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/EngineDating/IHC.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/EngineDating/IHC.htm The whole dating menu page is at: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/EngineDating/Techdata.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/EngineDating/Techdata.htm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From kosh at ncweb.com Tue Sep 23 23:33:14 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:33:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Independant Harvester In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809232244i150d3baeuc102a942c9c241d8@mail.gmail.co m> References: <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20080924022446.03a61380@ncweb.com> Here is a 100 year old history mentioning the Independent Harvester Co of Plano IK. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ilkendal/TownHistories/Plano/HarvesterStory1908.htm Plano provided one of the components of International Harvester, but later Independent Harvester co was formed in Plano. Over fifty percent of the component parts of the International Harvester Corporation had its origin in Plano. The Marsh Harvester, the original of all present-day self-binders was born and perfected in Plano. C. W. and W. W. Marsh of DeKalb, Illinois conceived the idea in 1857. A dozen machines were built in 1860. The machines proved to be too frail for the harvest of that year and the Marsh Brothers were on the point of giving up, when they prevailed upon Lewis Steward, of Plano to come to DeKalb and inspect the machines. "The machine was operating in heavy grain," said C. W. Marsh, when interviewed recently for the Prospectus at his home in DeKalb. "It was behaving rather worse than usual. It only ran a few rods and broke down. However, it did good work as far as it went. One man, W. W. Marsh, was doing the binding and turning off good bundles, as the grain came to him from the elevator. We were in despair and wanted Mr. Steward to wait until we could fix the machine. 'Boys,' said he, 'you are all right. I see that the binding can be done and the machine cuts and delivers well. If it can be made to run ten rods, it can be made to run ten miles, and there is a man in Plano that can do it. Come down there with your machine, and I will guarantee that you will get one made that will stand up to its work,' This was a turning point in harvester history." In the winter of 1860-61 W. W. Marsh and Uncle John Hollister (the man) built at Plano a harvester that, beginning with the harvest of 1861, cut more grain than any other machine of its class ever did. Arrangements were made with Mr. Steward for manufacturing at Plano. Steward and Henning advanced the necessary money, and George Steward and C. W. Marsh were hired to run the shop. For many years Marsh Harvesters were manufactured and sold all over the world. The twine binder, the knotter and every important revolution in harvesting machinery took place in Plano. When in the early seventies the Harvester Company passed into the hands of E. H. Gammon and William Deering, it was the Marsh Harvester that was turned out by the thousands, the same machine that had its birth in this city. In 1880 William Deering moved to North Chicago and many of the Plano mechanics moved with him and entered the huge shops at Deering. However, the people of Plano revived the old plant and organized the Plano Steam Power Company. The company turned over the old Marsh Harvester buildings to the Plano Manufacturing Company. Mr. W. H. Jones took charge, and for eleven years, until 1902, the Plano Manufacturing Company led the world in harvesting machinery. How the Plano Manufacturing Company moved to West Pullman in 1902 is a matter of history. Even at this, the city of Plano did not flinch. They again took up the task of manufacturing and sold part of the factory buildings to the Plano Implement Company, manufactures of potato planters. This institution ran two years. The buildings, plant and machinery were then sold to A. H. Sears, and are now known as the Sears Manufacturing Works. Then the Earl Manufacturing Company was started. The organization of the great Independent Harvester Co. a year or two later virtually gave back to Plano all its ancient glories. It once more looms up as the greatest manufacturing city of its size in the United States. Another... http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33758 Dave Merchant At 01:44 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote: >On 23/09/2008, craig morrison wrote: > > Hi, > > Is there anyone who has or knows of any information or dating > lists > > for independent harvester engines. > > > > Thanks , Craig in Scotland > >Do you mean International Harvester ? > >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/EngineDating/IHC.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/EngineDating/IHC.htm > >The whole dating menu page is at: > >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/EngineDating/Techdata.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/EngineDating/Techdata.htm > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Sep 23 23:40:32 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:40:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] independant harvester In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809232244i150d3baeuc102a942c9c241d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <6f6025160809232244i150d3baeuc102a942c9c241d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222238432.48d9e0e09a418@webmail.city-net.com> Nope, Craig said Independent Harvester and he means Independent Harvester. His is a rare engine. I'll actually be astonished if any info turns up let alone a S/N list. See ya, Arnie PS - It was one of his Portland tresasures. Quoting Listerdiesel : > On 23/09/2008, craig morrison wrote: > > Is there anyone who has or knows of any information or dating > > lists for independent harvester engines. > > Do you mean International Harvester ? From kosh at ncweb.com Tue Sep 23 23:51:49 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:51:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Independeant Harvester In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20080924022446.03a61380@ncweb.com> References: <6f6025160809232244i150d3baeuc102a942c9c241d8@mail.gmail.co m> <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20080924025105.0d23b500@ncweb.com> errr...Plano IL = Illinois Dave Merchant At 02:33 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote: >Here is a 100 year old history mentioning the Independent Harvester Co of >Plano IK. > >http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ilkendal/TownHistories/Plano/HarvesterStory1908.htm > >Plano provided one of the components of International Harvester, >but later Independent Harvester co was formed in Plano. > >Over fifty percent of the component parts of the International Harvester >Corporation had its origin in Plano. The Marsh Harvester, the original of >all present-day self-binders was born and perfected in Plano. C. W. and W. >W. Marsh of DeKalb, Illinois conceived the idea in 1857. A dozen machines >were built in 1860. The machines proved to be too frail for the harvest of >that year and the Marsh Brothers were on the point of giving up, when they >prevailed upon Lewis Steward, of Plano to come to DeKalb and inspect the >machines. > >"The machine was operating in heavy grain," said C. W. Marsh, when >interviewed recently for the Prospectus at his home in DeKalb. "It was >behaving rather worse than usual. It only ran a few rods and broke down. >However, it did good work as far as it went. One man, W. W. Marsh, was >doing the binding and turning off good bundles, as the grain came to him >from the elevator. We were in despair and wanted Mr. Steward to wait until >we could fix the machine. 'Boys,' said he, 'you are all right. I see that >the binding can be done and the machine cuts and delivers well. If it can >be made to run ten rods, it can be made to run ten miles, and there is a >man in Plano that can do it. Come down there with your machine, and I will >guarantee that you will get one made that will stand up to its work,' This >was a turning point in harvester history." > >In the winter of 1860-61 W. W. Marsh and Uncle John Hollister (the man) >built at Plano a harvester that, beginning with the harvest of 1861, cut >more grain than any other machine of its class ever did. Arrangements were >made with Mr. Steward for manufacturing at Plano. Steward and Henning >advanced the necessary money, and George Steward and C. W. Marsh were hired >to run the shop. > >For many years Marsh Harvesters were manufactured and sold all over the >world. The twine binder, the knotter and every important revolution in >harvesting machinery took place in Plano. When in the early seventies the >Harvester Company passed into the hands of E. H. Gammon and William >Deering, it was the Marsh Harvester that was turned out by the thousands, >the same machine that had its birth in this city. In 1880 William Deering >moved to North Chicago and many of the Plano mechanics moved with him and >entered the huge shops at Deering. However, the people of Plano revived the >old plant and organized the Plano Steam Power Company. The company turned >over the old Marsh Harvester buildings to the Plano Manufacturing Company. >Mr. W. H. Jones took charge, and for eleven years, until 1902, the Plano >Manufacturing Company led the world in harvesting machinery. How the Plano >Manufacturing Company moved to West Pullman in 1902 is a matter of history. >Even at this, the city of Plano did not flinch. They again took up the task >of manufacturing and sold part of the factory buildings to the Plano >Implement Company, manufactures of potato planters. This institution ran >two years. The buildings, plant and machinery were then sold to A. H. >Sears, and are now known as the Sears Manufacturing Works. Then the Earl >Manufacturing Company was started. The organization of the great >Independent Harvester Co. a year or two later virtually gave back to Plano >all its ancient glories. It once more looms up as the greatest >manufacturing city of its size in the United States. > >Another... > >http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33758 > >Dave Merchant > > >At 01:44 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote: > >On 23/09/2008, craig morrison wrote: > > > Hi, > > > Is there anyone who has or knows of any information or dating > > lists > > > for independent harvester engines. > > > > > > Thanks , Craig in Scotland > > > >Do you mean International Harvester ? > > > >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/EngineDating/IHC.htm > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/EngineDating/IHC.htm > > > >The whole dating menu page is at: > > > >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/EngineDating/Techdata.htm > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/EngineDating/Techdata.htm > > > >Peter > >-- > >Peter A Forbes > >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > >http://stationary-engine.co.uk > >http://www.oldengine.co.uk > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Dave Merchant >kosh at nesys.com >nesys_com at ameritech.net >dmerchant at layerzero.com > >http://www.nesys.com >http://www.nesys.org >YouTube: SteamCrane > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Wed Sep 24 09:20:21 2008 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:20:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. In-Reply-To: <20080923162435.4AE974054A1@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20D2C4AE027440CA916ECDCC7E29C0A1@Waynexp> <20080923162435.4AE974054A1@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <1F41DACD8BD94EB4AB0A96A335EA2B9A@Waynexp> Greetings Jimmy, It appears that they all take the same size tag. I measure the holes on my 12 HP Electric and it measures the same as the others you have posted. Cheers, Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:25 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. Hi Wayne, My 3 horse electric,4horse, and 6hp. All take a etched plate with 3.10 x5.080 mounting centers. Do the larger T's use that size or a bigger plate? These are straight line measurements , not arched. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagn,415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Thackery Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:34 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. Greetings Jerry, I have a 9 HP FM-T with a tag. It is a Special Electric but the tag should be the same I believe. I will be out to the Museum this weekend and will try and remember to take pictures for you if you would like. I also need a tag like this and have been going to contact you. Hopefully we can get together to make some of these. Let me know what you think. Cheers, Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:25 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. Hi Guys, I need to reproduce a brass spec. plate for a Fairbanks Morse "Jack of all Trades" for a local collector but have no idea of what it looks like or size of it. Can anyone help with good clear pics and possibly size & hole centres please ? On the subject of spec plates, I've been catching up on artwork for the last few weeks and am starting to etch a new batch tomorrow and will be catching up on quite a few outstanding orders (yours as well Luke but not yours yet Elden). If there is anyone else who is waiting for a plate and I have not contacted you off list in the last few weeks please give me a reminder "off list". Many thanks Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Sep 24 11:58:53 2008 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:58:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rock Crusher In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sounds like a good deal to me. This machine sounds similar to the one used at the Pioneer Engineer's show in Rushville, IN. They ran the crusher with a Farmall regular this year and it was not working hard at all. I think that a stationary engine could probably run a crusher like this especially if fed slowly. Rock crushers make a neat demonstration - much more interesting than seeing an engine sitting their popping on occasion.> > Message: 8> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:05:50 -0400> From: Michael Tucker > Subject: [SEL] Rock Crusher> To: The SEL email discussion list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes> > Howdy all,> > My father-in-law, Roger, has found a New Holland #12 rock crusher that > is about to go to the scrap yard. He will probably go to take a look > at it tomorrow but here is the description that he has. It weighs > 2700 pounds and the legs for the base are about 4 feet square, it has > two, 3.5 to 4 foot flywheels with one of the flywheels being the drive > pulley as well (it's about a 6 inch face) and the rock crusher hopper > part is roughly 18 inches square. The guy is willing to hold onto it > for a few days before it goes to the scrap yard and he wants $270 for > it ($0.10/pound for cast iron scrap price).> > I assume something like this would be driven by a tractor so how big > of a tractor would it take?> > Is anyone interested in this beast? If so we can get it and hold it > until you can come and get it. If you are we probably need to act > quickly.> > See ya',> Mike> ______________________> Michael Tucker> 400 Sellers Mill Road> Versailles, Kentucky 40383> 859-879-2108 _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From glenn.karch at att.net Wed Sep 24 13:27:51 2008 From: glenn.karch at att.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Rock Crusher Message-ID: <800644.22871.qm@web83716.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Andy, etc.\\ ? I think we should go for it. ? Glenn ----- Original Message ---- From: Andy Glines To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:58:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Rock Crusher Sounds like a good deal to me.? This machine sounds similar to the one used at the Pioneer Engineer's show in Rushville, IN.? They ran the crusher with a Farmall regular this year and it was not working hard at all.? I think that a stationary engine could probably run a crusher like this especially if fed slowly.? Rock crushers make a neat demonstration - much more interesting than seeing an engine sitting their popping on occasion.> > Message: 8> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:05:50 -0400> From: Michael Tucker > Subject: [SEL] Rock Crusher> To: The SEL email discussion list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes> > Howdy all,> > My father-in-law, Roger, has found a New Holland #12 rock crusher that > is about to go to the scrap yard. He will probably go to take a look > at it tomorrow but here is the description that he has. It we! ighs > 2700 pounds and the legs for the base are about 4 feet square, it has > two, 3.5 to 4 foot flywheels with one of the flywheels being the drive > pulley as well (it's about a 6 inch face) and the rock crusher hopper > part is roughly 18 inches square. The guy is willing to hold onto it > for a few days before it goes to the scrap yard and he wants $270 for > it ($0.10/pound for cast iron scrap price).> > I assume something like this would be driven by a tractor so how big > of a tractor would it take?> > Is anyone interested in this beast? If so we can get it and hold it > until you can come and get it. If you are we probably need to act > quickly.> > See ya',> Mike> ______________________> Michael Tucker> 400 Sellers Mill Road> Versailles, Kentucky 40383> 859-879-2108 _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Wed Sep 24 15:13:11 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:13:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] independant harvester Message-ID: <4C22560069F547078F09683DA0213EFE@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> As Arnie said it is INDEPENDENT HARVESTER that I meant and not International Harvester,as I have the 100 years of IHC as well as many dating lists for them. So if anyone has any information of any kind on INDEPENDENT HARVESTER I would be very grateful,also is there anyone reproducing decals for them??(I think that I may have seen some in the book store at Baraboo??) Thanks , Craig in Scotland. P.S; Arnie, like you I think it could be a engine of which there may not be a lot of information P.P.S; I should have said that it is a type "C" push rod version From stevebarr at ameritech.net Wed Sep 24 16:44:41 2008 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] independant harvester In-Reply-To: <4C22560069F547078F09683DA0213EFE@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <228384.60934.qm@web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Craig I am sending you off list 2 pages from an Independent Harvester catalog. It covers the 1 3/4 with little information. Later, They rerated it to a 2hp. The decal also changed from a script to a block letter format. >From our knowledge in the area, it was the only engine that they built in Plano, IL. The 3hp rocker arm version and 4hp Sideshaft that I have were built by Rockford (later Emerson Brantingham) and sold by Independent Harvester. There is a likeness of the Independent 1 3/4 to an Emerson as to the basic block, but that is where it seems to end. I also have an older catalog that has an image of an Independent Harvester inverted vertical that has yet to be identified. I am also checking on Decals for you. Steve --- On Wed, 9/24/08, craig morrison wrote: > From: craig morrison > Subject: [SEL] independant harvester > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 5:13 PM > As Arnie said it is INDEPENDENT HARVESTER that I meant and > not International Harvester,as I have the 100 years of IHC > as well as many dating lists for them. > So if anyone has any information of any kind on > INDEPENDENT HARVESTER I would be very grateful,also is > there anyone reproducing decals for them??(I think that I > may have seen some in the book store at Baraboo??) > > > Thanks , Craig in Scotland. > > P.S; Arnie, like you I think it could be a engine of which > there may not be a lot of information > P.P.S; I should have said that it is a type "C" > push rod version From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Sep 25 13:57:30 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:57:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] Door lock help OT Message-ID: Any door lock mechanics out there? I need help in the removal of an old Sargent exterior door lock. Contact off list. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Sep 25 14:02:44 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:02:44 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Motherboards - Warning - Do Not buy "Biostar" Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080925223100.00beb1c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Sorry for the "off topic" but I've gotta rant to someone about this - and you're it. You may remember that my property was struck by a pretty severe lightning strike in early January. I had to rebuild my computer and various other things. Well here's my experience - I was pretty broke at the time and bought a low priced motherboard from the "local" computer shop. In the past I've always gone for the best that I could afford but this time there were "financial constraints" and I bought a "BioStar Motherboard". WRONG MOVE - I had endless problems getting it going - it eventually took over a month to get my system back to "working condition". Most of the delay was due to this piece of rubbish BIOSTAR motherboard that I bought. I run a "Dual boot" system because some of my software only runs properly on Windows 98. The specs on this board guaranteed Win 98 compatibility. NOT SO - it did not support USB in Win98 -(all O.K. in Win 2000.) and various other problems (too many to mention). BIOS flashes and upgrades made no difference. Well - 9 months down the line and plenty of problems later - it has also blown my laser printer (Samsung ML1520). Today I went and bought a new Laser printer and it's screwed that one as well. I'm just writing this letter because Google seems to index these lists quite well and I think I should put this on record. DO NOT EVER BUY A "BIOSTAR" MOTHERBOARD - EVEN IF THE DEALER PAYS YOU TO TAKE IT - MINE IS RUBBISH AND THE DEALER "MATRIX COMPUTERS, SOUTH AFRICA' ARE NO HELP WHATSOEVER. O.K. End of rant. Apologies - it boils down to "you get what you pay for". "Pay peanuts - you get monkeys". Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Sep 25 15:37:24 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:37:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Motherboards - Warning - Do Not buy "Biostar" In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20080925223100.00beb1c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: Rant received and understood! Sorry about your problems. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 04:03 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Motherboards - Warning - Do > Not buy "Biostar" From fanmanj4 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 18:47:50 2008 From: fanmanj4 at yahoo.com (Jay Bernard) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Waukesha XAH manifold and parts Message-ID: <979093.63456.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Evening all, I'm looking for a Manifold and gasket set for a Waukesha XAH engine. It's on a 30's -40's vintage Ingersoll Rand portable compressor. It's the starting compressor for my?engine club's 40hp St.Mary's?HVID oil engine. The present one has 6-7 large holes in it. I'm gonna attempt to get it welded tomorrow, but I'd really like to get one that's solid. I'd also like to find a?Starter for this engine, as swinging that crank gets kinda tiring after a while... ?Jay M Bernard Thibodaux, LA From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Sep 25 20:37:41 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:37:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Anyone in Oz want 1/8" brass square plugs? Engines on topic Message-ID: <000301c91f89$3b07d740$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi all Due to me not being able to find a source in Australia, unless someone can step in now and tell me, I am buying in from the USA 1/8" Square Head Brass Plugs, is there anyone interested in any before I place my order on Monday. Have a look here: http://www.thefind.com/query.php?query=1%2F8+brass+square+head+plug Not sure if I will go for the second on top row or last on bottom row. Let me know ASAP. The cost will be at cost, plus the average of postage and MCard fees and then post to you. I might buy a swag of them and Ebay the rest. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Sep 25 20:59:25 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:59:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Anyone in Oz want 1/8" brass square plugs? Engines on topic Message-ID: <000c01c91f8c$444d9f30$0200a8c0@PETER> By the way, these are NPT and 1 tpi difference to BSP(28tpi), easy to run an NPT(27tpi) tap into thread though. Does anyone know if 1/4" BSP or NPT square head brass plugs are available here in Oz. I need to know not guess please. Blackwoods do not have them as far as I can see. Regards Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Anyone in Oz want 1/8" brass square plugs? Engines on topic > Hi all > Due to me not being able to find a source in Australia, unless someone can > step in now and tell me, I am buying in from the USA 1/8" Square Head > Brass Plugs, is there anyone interested in any before I place my order on > Monday. > Have a look here: > http://www.thefind.com/query.php?query=1%2F8+brass+square+head+plug > > Not sure if I will go for the second on top row or last on bottom row. > > Let me know ASAP. > The cost will be at cost, plus the average of postage and MCard fees and > then post to you. > I might buy a swag of them and Ebay the rest. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Sep 26 03:04:20 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:04:20 +1000 Subject: [SEL] ABC TV now, engine & tractors Message-ID: <000301c91fbf$3ef8b0f0$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi Aussies ON ABC TV Collectors that is on NOW, there are engines and tractors. 8.04PM Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Sep 26 03:34:16 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:34:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] ABC TV now, engine & tractors Message-ID: <001101c91fc3$6d657820$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi All I guess a few minutes notice was not enough ;-)) It was on Dardanup Hertitage Park 600Km south of Perth. http://www.dardanupheritagepark.com.au/ Next week ABC Collectors has a guy with around 90 early tractors, ABC1 - TV 8pm Peter, Oz > Hi Aussies > > ON ABC TV Collectors that is on NOW, there are engines and tractors. > 8.04PM > > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Sep 26 04:15:35 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:15:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Kelley & Lewis Mark IV help Message-ID: <002c01c91fc9$32ebc6d0$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi All Does anyone in Oz have a Kelley & Lewis Mark IV engine? http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/kelly&lewis.htm I need the fuel tank measurements so I can make one or a photo. I found the right size muffler tube from a local garage but I have never seen a tank. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Fri Sep 26 04:23:00 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:23:00 +0800 Subject: [SEL] ABC TV now, engine & tractors In-Reply-To: <001101c91fc3$6d657820$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <001101c91fc3$6d657820$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <48DCC614.5010107@optusnet.com.au> === Thanks, Peter, but you were not too late for us in WA. (2 hours time difference). I'll be watching. Been to Dardanup Park, well worth the trip across here to see it if you don't mind a bit of a drive! (Actually, about 200 km) But then, I guess you will all be here for the NHMA National Rally in 2011? We are well into planning for this now. JW? === Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi All > I guess a few minutes notice was not enough ;-)) > It was on Dardanup Hertitage Park 600Km south of Perth. > http://www.dardanupheritagepark.com.au/ > > Next week ABC Collectors has a guy with around 90 early tractors, ABC1 - TV > 8pm > > Peter, Oz > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 26 04:54:22 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 07:54:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Waukesha XAH manifold and parts In-Reply-To: <979093.63456.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <979093.63456.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60AB0050-FF04-4697-B27E-2837AB47DE4E@alltel.net> Hi Jay, Have you tried http://www.waukeshaengine.com/ Probably worth at least a phone call. Dave On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:47 PM, Jay Bernard wrote: > Evening all, > I'm looking for a Manifold and gasket set for a Waukesha XAH engine. > It's on a 30's -40's vintage Ingersoll Rand portable compressor. > It's the starting compressor for my engine club's 40hp St.Mary's > HVID oil engine. The present one has 6-7 large holes in it. I'm > gonna attempt to get it welded tomorrow, but I'd really like to get > one that's solid. I'd also like to find a Starter for this engine, > as swinging that crank gets kinda tiring after a while... > Jay M Bernard > Thibodaux, LA From jthall at worldnet.att.net Fri Sep 26 05:44:34 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:44:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Waukesha XAH manifold and parts References: <979093.63456.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002001c91fd5$a1b07140$0ef04c0c@D48VHZ61> For gaskets try; Tom Underwood in Kansas 785-749-5231 Also search the net for Olsons Gaskets in Washington state. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Bernard" To: "SEL" Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Waukesha XAH manifold and parts Evening all, I'm looking for a Manifold and gasket set for a Waukesha XAH engine. It's on a 30's -40's vintage Ingersoll Rand portable compressor. It's the starting compressor for my engine club's 40hp St.Mary's HVID oil engine. The present one has 6-7 large holes in it. I'm gonna attempt to get it welded tomorrow, but I'd really like to get one that's solid. I'd also like to find a Starter for this engine, as swinging that crank gets kinda tiring after a while... Jay M Bernard Thibodaux, LA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Sep 26 09:13:20 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:13:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anyone in Oz want 1/8" brass square plugs? Engines on topic In-Reply-To: <000301c91f89$3b07d740$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: Peter: I'm not sure about the second plug you are looking at. First, the thread is called "IPT" which I'm not familiar with. Second, it is a cored plug and I believe you wanted a solid one. The first one, "Square Head Plug Fittings - Bronze, NPT PBP18 -- 1/8 inch NPT, Brass" except for it being bronze (it'll have an "antique" look) is what I'd order if I were doing it. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Peter Lowe > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:38 PM > To: ATIS; Oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Anyone in Oz want 1/8" brass > square plugs? Engines on > topic > > > Hi all > Due to me not being able to find a source in > Australia, unless someone can > step in now and tell me, I am buying in from the > USA 1/8" Square Head Brass > Plugs, is there anyone interested in any before I > place my order on Monday. > Have a look here: > http://www.thefind.com/query.php?query=1%2F8+brass +square+head+plug From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Sep 26 15:40:09 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:40:09 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Kelley & Lewis Mark IV help References: <002c01c91fc9$32ebc6d0$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: Yes Peter ,at the moment rebuilding it . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: [SEL] Kelley & Lewis Mark IV help > Hi All > > Does anyone in Oz have a Kelley & Lewis Mark IV engine? > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/kelly&lewis.htm > I need the fuel tank measurements so I can make one or a photo. I found > the > right size muffler tube from a local garage but I have never seen a tank. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Sep 26 21:54:19 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:54:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OFF List for a while, death in family. Message-ID: <002201c9205d$1a55d590$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi all Anyone answering any questions that I have asked over the last few days please reply when you get time. I will be off air for a few days as Kaye's Mum passed away this morning peacefully in Kaye's arms. If only we could all go that way. She is absolutely devastated as it is not only here Mum but her best friend, they did everything together. Regards Peter, Oz From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Sat Sep 27 04:08:54 2008 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:08:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] ABC TV now, engine & tractors References: <001101c91fc3$6d657820$0200a8c0@PETER> <48DCC614.5010107@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <006001c92091$6e2c17e0$0201010a@JBCooper> Hi Jack, Thanks for the ABC information. But I am at a loss to understand how you can be planning the 2011 National Rally when the location will not be decided until the general meeting at Murray Bridge next year. John, Bega N.S.W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ABC TV now, engine & tractors === Thanks, Peter, but you were not too late for us in WA. (2 hours time difference). I'll be watching. Been to Dardanup Park, well worth the trip across here to see it if you don't mind a bit of a drive! (Actually, about 200 km) But then, I guess you will all be here for the NHMA National Rally in 2011? We are well into planning for this now. JW? === Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi All > I guess a few minutes notice was not enough ;-)) > It was on Dardanup Hertitage Park 600Km south of Perth. > http://www.dardanupheritagepark.com.au/ > > Next week ABC Collectors has a guy with around 90 early tractors, ABC1 - > TV > 8pm > > Peter, Oz > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1691 - Release Date: 9/25/2008 7:23 PM From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Sep 27 04:30:29 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:30:29 +0800 Subject: [SEL] ABC TV now, engine & tractors References: <001101c91fc3$6d657820$0200a8c0@PETER><48DCC614.5010107@optusnet.com.au> <006001c92091$6e2c17e0$0201010a@JBCooper> Message-ID: <9D184110296A469FAFA4A54B4D0CCC99@your9e74d7efa7> I think you do not understand what Jack has said . Is it not prudent to plan even before a decision is made? It is called a SUBMISSION and is put forward hopefully in the ''Plan '' being approved .Is that clear enough? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Beryl Cooper" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ABC TV now, engine & tractors > Hi Jack, > Thanks for the ABC information. But I am at a loss to understand how you > can > be planning the 2011 National Rally when the location will not be decided > until the general meeting at Murray Bridge next year. > John, > Bega N.S.W. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 9:23 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] ABC TV now, engine & tractors > > > > === > Thanks, Peter, but you were not too late for us in WA. (2 hours time > difference). I'll be watching. > > Been to Dardanup Park, well worth the trip across here to see it if you > don't mind a bit of a drive! (Actually, about 200 km) > > But then, I guess you will all be here for the NHMA National Rally in > 2011? We are well into planning for this now. > > JW? > === > > Peter Lowe wrote: >> Hi All >> I guess a few minutes notice was not enough ;-)) >> It was on Dardanup Hertitage Park 600Km south of Perth. >> http://www.dardanupheritagepark.com.au/ >> >> Next week ABC Collectors has a guy with around 90 early tractors, ABC1 - >> TV >> 8pm >> >> Peter, Oz >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1691 - Release Date: 9/25/2008 > 7:23 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sat Sep 27 07:32:35 2008 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:32:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OFF List for a while, death in family. In-Reply-To: <002201c9205d$1a55d590$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <002201c9205d$1a55d590$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <20080927113238.95ADD228337@md5.pennswoods.net> Our prayers be with you and family Peter R Fink PA At 02:54 PM 9/27/2008 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all >Anyone answering any questions that I have asked over the last few days >please reply when you get time. > >I will be off air for a few days as Kaye's Mum passed away this morning >peacefully in Kaye's arms. If only we could all go that way. >She is absolutely devastated as it is not only here Mum but her best friend, >they did everything together. > >Regards >Peter, Oz > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.1/1688 - Release Date: >9/24/2008 6:29 AM From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Sat Sep 27 05:30:39 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:30:39 +0800 Subject: [SEL] ABC TV now, engine & tractors In-Reply-To: <006001c92091$6e2c17e0$0201010a@JBCooper> References: <001101c91fc3$6d657820$0200a8c0@PETER> <48DCC614.5010107@optusnet.com.au> <006001c92091$6e2c17e0$0201010a@JBCooper> Message-ID: <48DE276F.8020604@optusnet.com.au> === G'day John. You are correct, of course. Should have said that lots of planning are going into preparing our submission. As we were taught in Training College, "Remember the 6 Ps" (Proper Preparation Prevents Pi** Poor Performance) See you here! JW? === John & Beryl Cooper wrote: > Hi Jack, > Thanks for the ABC information. But I am at a loss to understand how you can > be planning the 2011 National Rally when the location will not be decided > until the general meeting at Murray Bridge next year. > John, > Bega N.S.W > From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Sep 27 08:00:24 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:00:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF List for a while, death in family. In-Reply-To: <002201c9205d$1a55d590$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: Peter: My heart goes out to Kaye and you over the loss of her Mom. You are right - we should all go that way. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Peter Lowe > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:54 PM > To: Oldengine.org; ATIS > Subject: [SEL] OFF List for a while, death in family. > > > Hi all > Anyone answering any questions that I have asked > over the last few days > please reply when you get time. > > I will be off air for a few days as Kaye's Mum > passed away this morning > peacefully in Kaye's arms. If only we could all > go that way. > She is absolutely devastated as it is not only > here Mum but her best friend, > they did everything together. > > Regards > Peter, Oz From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 27 07:21:08 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:21:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OFF List for a while, death in family. In-Reply-To: <002201c9205d$1a55d590$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <002201c9205d$1a55d590$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Tell Kaye that she (and you) are in my thoughts! Dave On Sep 27, 2008, at 12:54 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all > Anyone answering any questions that I have asked over the last few > days > please reply when you get time. > > I will be off air for a few days as Kaye's Mum passed away this > morning > peacefully in Kaye's arms. If only we could all go that way. > She is absolutely devastated as it is not only here Mum but her best > friend, > they did everything together. > > Regards > Peter, Oz From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 27 21:08:19 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:08:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF List for a while, death in family. References: <002201c9205d$1a55d590$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: Peter I am so sorry to hear of the passing of Kaye's Mother. I was at my Mother's bedside when she passed away but I cannot even imagine what it would have been like to have been holding her in my arms when she passed away. My prayer will be that God will comfort her and all of the family during these difficult times. Ours prayers and thoughts are with you, Kaye and the family Peter. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:54 PM Subject: [SEL] OFF List for a while, death in family. > Hi all > Anyone answering any questions that I have asked over the last few days > please reply when you get time. > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 28 18:46:57 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:46:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. Computer Issue - Flash Player Message-ID: I need some help regarding my flash player if there is someone familiar with them. Thanks, Paul From endacomm10 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 20:16:56 2008 From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. Computer Issue - Flash Player In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <789254.53318.qm@web51405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Problem as in ? ? Include a bit more detail and I can probably help. It IS my chosen profession. ?PC-Repair technician 'IN GOD WE TRUST' --- On Sun, 9/28/08, Paul Maples wrote: From: Paul Maples Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. Computer Issue - Flash Player To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:46 PM I need some help regarding my flash player if there is someone familiar with them. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 12:14:33 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:14:33 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Website Revisions Message-ID: <6f6025160809301214o3c1f42a2xd64d052bb66bdf16@mail.gmail.com> We are making revisions to the main menu page and the siting of the Portland and Buckley Video clips on both our main websites. While this is going on, there will be some files that will not work anymore as their url will have changed. There will be a new section at the top of the main menu which will give access to the latest (Buckley & Portland) show menus and there will be an icon for the main trip menu, which will save you scrolling right down the menu page for it. Hope to have it all done tonight. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Sep 30 13:59:51 2008 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:59:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild Message-ID: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> Hi Folks This is not strictly an old engine, but it certainly is interesting old iron. Jim bought a large deep well pump from a former list member, Roland Craven, about 8 years ago. Finally enough things moved in the garden to make space to rebuild it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/dando/dando.htm As garden ornaments go, it's a lot better than a gnome with a fishing rod! Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From bee_keeper at clearwire.net Tue Sep 30 14:36:14 2008 From: bee_keeper at clearwire.net (Lew Best) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:36:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] possibly OT scrap prices Message-ID: <001e01c92344$92431d30$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Hey guys Anyone checked scrap prices lately? I hauled some aluminum, copper, etc. today & they were down sharply. I got a price list & the last tin I hauled a coupla months ago brought 8.50 (had been as high as 11 but dropped & pretty well stabilized round 8-9 per hundred weight); today 4 bux! Copper had been over 3 bux a pound; today 2.50. I asked the lady when they started dropping & she said today. Guess it's due to the bailout mess hanging in the fire right now? Hope I'm not making a mistake but not gonna haul any more for a while & see if it goes up or down. Lew near Waco, TX From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Sep 30 14:57:45 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:57:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] possibly OT scrap prices In-Reply-To: <001e01c92344$92431d30$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <20080930215746.47B2F302841@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Lew, China controls the prices. If they hiccup We go in the dumper! Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Lew Best Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 2:36 PM To: At at Lists. Antique-Tractor. Com; SEL Subject: [SEL] possibly OT scrap prices Hey guys Anyone checked scrap prices lately? I hauled some aluminum, copper, etc. today & they were down sharply. I got a price list & the last tin I hauled a coupla months ago brought 8.50 (had been as high as 11 but dropped & pretty well stabilized round 8-9 per hundred weight); today 4 bux! Copper had been over 3 bux a pound; today 2.50. I asked the lady when they started dropping & she said today. Guess it's due to the bailout mess hanging in the fire right now? Hope I'm not making a mistake but not gonna haul any more for a while & see if it goes up or down. Lew near Waco, TX _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 30 15:03:58 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:03:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <001a01c92348$70e58fc0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> you gonna belt that up to the Bessemer ? From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Sep 30 15:25:43 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:25:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <000b01c9234b$7a2b0990$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi Dolly & Jim Of course this is engine related, what did we use these old engines for, drivng great stuff like this. When Jim gets tired of this pump, just crate it up and send it to the collonies down under. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > Hi Folks > > This is not strictly an old engine, but it certainly is interesting old > iron. Jim bought a large deep well pump from a former list member, > Roland Craven, about 8 years ago. Finally enough things moved in the > garden to make space to rebuild it. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/dando/dando.htm > As garden ornaments go, it's a lot better than a gnome with a fishing rod! > > Dolly > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 30 16:44:28 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:44:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] possibly OT scrap prices References: <001e01c92344$92431d30$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <000c01c92356$7b0ba490$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I asked the lady > when they started dropping & she said today. Guess it's due to the > bailout mess hanging in the fire right now? Hope I'm not making a > mistake but not gonna haul any more for a while & see if it goes up or > down.>>>> Been about three weeks or better since tin and iron tanked here . It didnt really "tank" , but there was a marked correction . Bear in mind location is important regarding scrap prices . Behind Corpus Christi , Chuck From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Tue Sep 30 17:53:16 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:53:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] possibly OT scrap prices In-Reply-To: <000c01c92356$7b0ba490$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <005e01c92360$1886a680$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Thanks Chuck I just haul scrap when I need some mad money or don't have anything really more important to do. Was just surprised it had dropped by half in the few weeks since I hauled the last load. Lew -----Original Message----- Been about three weeks or better since tin and iron tanked here . It didnt really "tank" , but there was a marked correction . Bear in mind location is important regarding scrap prices . Behind Corpus Christi , Chuck From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Sep 30 18:09:56 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:09:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] possibly OT scrap prices In-Reply-To: <005e01c92360$1886a680$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <20081001010956.DB90E302889@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> We were told by our dealers in late august that the price was going to drop by Sept because China was going to stop buying. They had been driving the market on the west coast. Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Lew Best Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:53 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] possibly OT scrap prices Thanks Chuck I just haul scrap when I need some mad money or don't have anything really more important to do. Was just surprised it had dropped by half in the few weeks since I hauled the last load. Lew -----Original Message----- Been about three weeks or better since tin and iron tanked here . It didnt really "tank" , but there was a marked correction . Bear in mind location is important regarding scrap prices . Behind Corpus Christi , Chuck _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Tue Sep 30 18:21:50 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:21:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] possibly OT scrap prices In-Reply-To: <20081001010956.DB90E302889@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <006401c92364$16319620$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Here's a bit of interesting info on new copper; scrap seems to follow a similar pattern tho it seems. http://www.mineweb.net/mineweb/view/mineweb/en/page504?oid=63489&sn=Deta il Be interesting to see what happens once congress decides to do with the bailout. Lew -----Original Message----- We were told by our dealers in late august that the price was going to drop by Sept because China was going to stop buying. They had been driving the market on the west coast. Jim O'Hagan From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Tue Sep 30 20:15:34 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:15:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi.That is one great pumping unit.What's this about no Lego instructions.I thought that you would have used the original plastic( bakelite) made in England the one called Bayko. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "ATIS Stationary Engine List" Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 6:59 AM Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild > Hi Folks > > This is not strictly an old engine, but it certainly is interesting old > iron. Jim bought a large deep well pump from a former list member, > Roland Craven, about 8 years ago. Finally enough things moved in the > garden to make space to rebuild it. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/dando/dando.htm > As garden ornaments go, it's a lot better than a gnome with a fishing rod! > > Dolly > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Sep 1 21:56:50 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:56:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Steve Barr's address Message-ID: <002001c90cb8$4f952520$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi all and Steve if your here. Is this Steve's current address? stevebarr at ameritech.net Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 00:01:44 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:01:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Steve Barr's address In-Reply-To: <002001c90cb8$4f952520$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <002001c90cb8$4f952520$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <6f6025160809020001j578c5cfes6509b91a2b752796@mail.gmail.com> On 02/09/2008, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all and Steve if your here. > > Is this Steve's current address? > stevebarr at ameritech.net > > > Regards > Peter Lowe That is the one we have for Steve on our Gmail address book, Pete. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Sep 2 05:09:35 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:09:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Huricane Gustav In-Reply-To: <8D841A30-0CC6-43E5-AB82-E0EE6A9D9B2F@rustyiron.com> References: <20080831022213.NSFKI.692035.root@mp13> <4367C037-78EA-46E6-AB7C-4A749AC267AA@rustyiron.com> <8D841A30-0CC6-43E5-AB82-E0EE6A9D9B2F@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <48BD2CFF.5080605@steamengine.com.au> Dude? Could it be that Rob has finally said something Californian? Hehehe Rob Skinner wrote: > Dude... that's pretty funny. > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Sep 2 13:06:55 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:06:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Great Dorset Steam Fair Message-ID: <003b01c90d37$74027410$742d0556@intrepid> This is the largest UK vintage show. Mostly steam but covering everything else. Martin Perman has posted the excellent pictures he took this year to the UK Engine group. He has given me permission to post them to these groups. See http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/campingstoveman/GreatDorsetSteamFair2008 Enjoy!! Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 2 16:12:57 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:12:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oh gads Message-ID: <00a001c90d51$70a2cf80$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Has someone run off with lizzie's flywheel(s)? http://lh4.ggpht.com/__gO1Ka6SEds/Rme23zkFeJI/AAAAAAAAAbM/VXq-Yxp3tZE/Big+Lizzie+at+Red+Cliffs.JPG Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From bethell at internode.on.net Tue Sep 2 16:42:43 2008 From: bethell at internode.on.net (Jim&Geraldine Bethell) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:42:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Oh gads In-Reply-To: <00a001c90d51$70a2cf80$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <00a001c90d51$70a2cf80$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <93C155C4AD444EF9B238D6655346528B@bethelllaptop> Chuck, The answer is yes and no! This is not the original engine in Lizzie, it went years earlier when it was left at Glendinning in Victoria's western district . The replacement is a smaller one, there is talk of getting Lizzie fully restored to working order but a big job. In recent years the second trailer has been located and returned to Red Cliffs for restoration. regards Jim Jim & Geraldine Bethell 12 Fush Place Mildura Victoria 3500 03-50213414 0427-213414 http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 9:12 AM Subject: [SEL] Oh gads > Has someone run off with lizzie's flywheel(s)? > http://lh4.ggpht.com/__gO1Ka6SEds/Rme23zkFeJI/AAAAAAAAAbM/VXq-Yxp3tZE/Big+Lizzie+at+Red+Cliffs.JPG > > Chuck Balyeat > http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Sep 3 07:51:00 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:51:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oh gads In-Reply-To: <00a001c90d51$70a2cf80$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: Chuck: Now THAT's a REAL butt-buggy! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Chuck > Balyeat > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 06:13 PM > To: SEL > Subject: [SEL] Oh gads > > > Has someone run off with lizzie's flywheel(s)? > > http://lh4.ggpht.com/__gO1Ka6SEds/Rme23zkFeJI/AAAA > AAAAAbM/VXq-Yxp3tZE/Big+Lizzie+at+Red+Cliffs.JPG > > Chuck Balyeat From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Sep 3 09:06:35 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:06:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] First solid-injection Diesel (U.S. and Europe) Message-ID: Gang: Frank and I are doing some research and need to find out who was the first person/company to develop a production solid-injection Diesel engine. We know that Rudolph Diesel, late in his career, tried to sell the idea in the early 20th Century but it appears no one was interested so he dropped the idea and stuck with air blast system. If anyone could suggest a book that is in print that would enlighten us, we'd appreciate the information. If it's NOT in print, we could try to find a copy. Anybody got any leads? Also, I'm looking for specifications on Bronz (Hvid) engines with the intention of scaling down the dimensions to make a generic large scale model of one. Thanks! Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 3 08:32:56 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:32:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] First solid-injection Diesel (U.S. and Europe) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1A50F075-D9B6-4D5F-B00E-35B3EFD1A94F@alltel.net> According to his website it was ALGORE. (See: save the planet_and make me rich at the same time.com) Dave On Sep 3, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Elden DuRand wrote: > Gang: > > Frank and I are doing some research and need to find out who was the > first person/company to develop a production solid-injection Diesel > engine. We know that Rudolph Diesel, late in his career, tried to > sell the idea in the early 20th Century but it appears no one was > interested so he dropped the idea and stuck with air blast system. > > If anyone could suggest a book that is in print that would enlighten > us, we'd appreciate the information. If it's NOT in print, we could > try to find a copy. Anybody got any leads? > > Also, I'm looking for specifications on Bronz (Hvid) engines with > the intention of scaling down the dimensions to make a generic large > scale model of one. > > Thanks! > > Take care - Elden > edurand at mchsi.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 3 08:23:52 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:23:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oh gads References: <00a001c90d51$70a2cf80$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <93C155C4AD444EF9B238D6655346528B@bethelllaptop> Message-ID: <001001c90dd9$134baa40$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Chuck, > The answer is yes and no! This is not the original engine in Lizzie, it > went > years earlier when it was left at Glendinning in Victoria's western > district > . The replacement is a smaller one, there is talk of getting Lizzie fully > restored to working order but a big job. In recent years the second > trailer > has been located and returned to Red Cliffs for restoration. > regards > Jim >>>> Thanks that's good news , sorta . I was gonna say that it looks barely kneehigh , but then ,what do I know about oil engines ? Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 3 09:11:42 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:11:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oh gads References: Message-ID: <003f01c90ddf$c1722080$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Now THAT's a REAL butt-buggy! > > Take care - Elden /////////////// Did it occur to you that the Hoyt Clagwell might be in need of a set of dreadnoughts ? Chuck From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Sep 3 09:47:24 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:47:24 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Buckley & Portland Videos and Pictures In-Reply-To: <6f6025160808311307k6ed562e0nc9c63fd1cf8e0fb0@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160808271322r306ffe1cl67ffcee30a9a6e1@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808281857o1549c95fxd9f3436532479b0c@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808311307k6ed562e0nc9c63fd1cf8e0fb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter, I'm making my way through the movies. Very nice job! It looks like Buckley has added several things since I've been there. There is a bad link on movie #54 on page #2. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA > Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:07:38 +0100> From: listerdiesel at gmail.com> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Subject: Re: [SEL] Buckley & Portland Videos and Pictures> > On 29/08/2008, Listerdiesel wrote:> > All the videos are completed editing and are being uploaded to> oldengine.org and stationary-engine.co.uk:> > [url]http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland08/Portland08VideoMenu.htm[/url]> or at:> [url]http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08VideoMenu.htm[/url]> > There are 146 separate videos, everything we shot in the 2 weeks we> were over there.> > Pictures, starting with Portland:> > [url]http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland08/Portland08Menu1.htm[/url]> or at:> [url]http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08Menu1.htm[/url]> > There are 3 pages of 24 pictures ready, with a LOT more to come. We> did the videos first this year so now we can start on the 600+> pictures.> > Let me know if you have any connection or viewing problems please.> > Peter> -- > Peter A Forbes> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel> http://stationary-engine.co.uk> http://www.oldengine.co.uk> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Sep 3 12:09:48 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:09:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] First solid-injection Diesel (U.S. and Europe) In-Reply-To: <1A50F075-D9B6-4D5F-B00E-35B3EFD1A94F@alltel.net> Message-ID: Dave: Algore has never been helpful to me in the past so I don't figure he'll change that by being the inventor of the solid-injection Diesel as well as the internet! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of David > Rotigel > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:33 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] First solid-injection Diesel > (U.S. and Europe) > > > According to his website it was ALGORE. (See: > save the planet_and make > me rich at the same time.com) > Dave From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Sep 3 12:15:29 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:15:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oh gads In-Reply-To: <003f01c90ddf$c1722080$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: Hmmmm! I can just imagine the sound........."Chug!, flappety, Chug!, flappety, Chug!, flappety, Chug!.......". Anybody got detail photos of the shoes on that puppy?? Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Chuck > Balyeat > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:12 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Oh gads > > > > Now THAT's a REAL butt-buggy! > > > > Take care - Elden > /////////////// > > Did it occur to you that the Hoyt Clagwell > might be in need of a set of dreadnoughts ? > > > Chuck > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 11:23:00 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:23:00 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Buckley & Portland Videos and Picture In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160808271322r306ffe1cl67ffcee30a9a6e1@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808281857o1549c95fxd9f3436532479b0c@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808311307k6ed562e0nc9c63fd1cf8e0fb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160809031123h2b55d59bw4df96ca840a0d6ad@mail.gmail.com> On 03/09/2008, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > Peter, > > > I'm making my way through the movies. Very nice job! It looks like Buckley > has added several things since I've been there. There is a bad link on movie > #54 on page #2. > Luke Tonneberger Sorry about that, Luke, should be fixed now on both servers. Thanks for the alert! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 11:28:31 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:28:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] First solid-injection Diesel (U.S. and Europe) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160809031128u6fd5b4r6912e9a4201c932c@mail.gmail.com> On 03/09/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: > Gang: > > Frank and I are doing some research and need to find out who was the first > person/company to develop a production solid-injection Diesel engine. We > know that Rudolph Diesel, late in his career, tried to sell the idea in the > early 20th Century but it appears no one was interested so he dropped the > idea and stuck with air blast system. > > If anyone could suggest a book that is in print that would enlighten us, > we'd appreciate the information. If it's NOT in print, we could try to find > a copy. Anybody got any leads? > > Also, I'm looking for specifications on Bronz (Hvid) engines with the > intention of scaling down the dimensions to make a generic large scale model > of one. > > Thanks! > > Take care - Elden It depends a lot on which country. I believe that Mirrlees Bickerton & Day made the first in the UK and 3rd in total, a look at Lyle Cummins' books, "Internal Fire" and "Diesel's Engine" would probably elicit more information. I have both books here, but I am right in the thick of updating the websites with the Portland pictures etc and don't want to break away at the moment. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From paul at internalfire.com Wed Sep 3 12:19:39 2008 From: paul at internalfire.com (Paul Evans) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:19:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] First solid-injection Diesel (U.S. and Europe) Message-ID: <48BEE34B.9070402@internalfire.com> Listerdiesel wrote: > It depends a lot on which country. I believe that Mirrlees Bickerton & > Day made the first in the UK and 3rd in total, > That was blast injection not solid. Goldingham refers to a solid injection engine running in the UK in 1912 but the earliest production engine I know of is the 1917 Vickers marine engine with common rail. We have hundreds of books from the period through to post-war but none of them agree on anything :-) I believe the first full production solid injection in the US was the 1919 Worthington two-cycle but am sure someone will know better! Paul -- Internal Fire Museum of Power Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS http://www.internalfire.com -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1527 - Release Date: 6/30/2008 18:07 From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Sep 3 13:30:05 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:30:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] First solid-injection Diesel (U.S. and Europe) In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809031128u6fd5b4r6912e9a4201c932c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter: I've got three of Lyle's books, the one about Rudolph, the one about his Dad and "Internal Fire" but can't find the one about Clessie (his Dad). I've either loaned it out or have misplaced it in the move from KY to Florida. I looked in his Rudolph Diesel book and the only reference I can find to solid injection is a short paragraph about his aborted attempt to promote the idea. Thanks for your efforts! ......Now go and have some fun. Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 01:29 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] First solid-injection Diesel > (U.S. and Europe) > > > On 03/09/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: > > Gang: > > > > Frank and I are doing some research and need to > find out who was the first > > person/company to develop a production > solid-injection Diesel engine. We > > know that Rudolph Diesel, late in his career, > tried to sell the idea in the > > early 20th Century but it appears no one was > interested so he dropped the > > idea and stuck with air blast system. > > > > If anyone could suggest a book that is in print > that would enlighten us, > > we'd appreciate the information. If it's NOT > in print, we could try to find > > a copy. Anybody got any leads? > > > > Also, I'm looking for specifications on Bronz > (Hvid) engines with the > > intention of scaling down the dimensions to > make a generic large scale model > > of one. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Take care - Elden > > It depends a lot on which country. I believe that > Mirrlees Bickerton & > Day made the first in the UK and 3rd in total, a > look at Lyle Cummins' > books, "Internal Fire" and "Diesel's Engine" > would probably elicit > more information. > > I have both books here, but I am right in the > thick of updating the > websites with the Portland pictures etc and don't > want to break away > at the moment. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Sep 3 13:32:01 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:32:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] First solid-injection Diesel (U.S. and Europe) In-Reply-To: <48BEE34B.9070402@internalfire.com> Message-ID: Paul: Thanks for the information. I think it's safe to say that solid injection came into commercial use sometime around WWI. Was Cummins seminal in solid injection engines in the U.S.? Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Paul Evans > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 02:20 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] First solid-injection Diesel > (U.S. and Europe) > > > Listerdiesel wrote: > > It depends a lot on which country. I believe > that Mirrlees Bickerton & > > Day made the first in the UK and 3rd in total, > > > That was blast injection not solid. > > Goldingham refers to a solid injection engine > running in the UK in 1912 > but the earliest production engine I know of is > the 1917 Vickers marine > engine with common rail. We have hundreds of > books from the period > through to post-war but none of them agree on anything :-) > > I believe the first full production solid > injection in the US was the > 1919 Worthington two-cycle but am sure someone > will know better! > > Paul > > -- > > Internal Fire Museum of Power > > Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS > > http://www.internalfire.com > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1527 - > Release Date: 6/30/2008 18:07 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 3 13:55:44 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:55:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oh gads References: Message-ID: <00ac01c90e07$70450060$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Anybody got detail photos of the shoes on that puppy?? > > Plenty on google looks like they do flop down like the ass end of your house slippers each with a pair of cables keeping them on . c From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Sep 3 15:41:47 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:41:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oh gads In-Reply-To: <00ac01c90e07$70450060$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: Thankee kindly! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Chuck > Balyeat > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 03:56 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Oh gads > > > > > > Anybody got detail photos of the shoes on that puppy?? > > > > > Plenty on google looks like they do flop down > like the ass end of your house > slippers > each with a pair of cables keeping them on . From kosh at ncweb.com Wed Sep 3 15:11:48 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:11:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oh gads - Big Lizzie In-Reply-To: <00ac01c90e07$70450060$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20080903180550.02e8a960@ncweb.com> The loose shoe wheel design was used extensively on field artillery in WW-I. It was just an early approach to tracklaying, that was superseded by the caterpillar track (which was not invented by either Holt or Best). In fact, for limited distances at low speeds, it may have been easier to build than caterpillar tracks, which have the potential for track pin wear that tripped up the initial crawlers. Dave Merchant At 04:55 PM 9/3/2008, you wrote: > > Anybody got detail photos of the shoes on that puppy?? > > > > >Plenty on google looks like they do flop down like the ass end of your house >slippers >each with a pair of cables keeping them on . > > >c > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Sep 3 16:14:10 2008 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:14:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A web site for everything. Message-ID: <20080903232006.BFEFF585BD@gw1.nlenet.net> A couple of years ago I got to thinking that I would like to cook my own food at engine shows. I didn't have a hopper, but I did have 120 VAC from my Kohler Light Plant. A look around Ebay turned up a small table top Broiler (Heats from the top) I bought it for $12.50 and found that apparently it was one of those small appliance wedding presents that was never used. Every show people seem to get a kick out of seeing it in use and the light plant purring away to cook my steak dinner. A few have asked how old it was so I looked around the Internet one night and found another for sale, this one with a brochure that gave the name. Robot Broiler by Farberware. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200179813912 One more google search and I find that it is 1938 or so and people collect them! A couple of email later and mine is on the web. http://www.jitterbuzz.com/waftrip.html (Near the bottom) Oh, I also found out that one of the light fixtures I show is worth more then the generator. Who Knew. Frank +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From Frank at lbpinc.com Wed Sep 3 17:56:27 2008 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:56:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A web site for everything. Message-ID: <20080904010006.850995864B@gw1.nlenet.net> Airstream 280261868979 Frank +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | N 42.9130 W 77.5164| Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From rdi at rochester.rr.com Wed Sep 3 19:15:07 2008 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:15:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Great Dorset Steam Fair Message-ID: <000501c90e34$0d804c50$0201a8c0@marlin> Dave Croft writes: >See http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/campingstoveman/GreatDorsetSteamFair2008 Holy COW, some guy brought his LOCOMOTIVE on a flatbed to the show??? Wow! http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/campingstoveman/GreatDorsetSteamFair2008#5241372731924550258 Thanks for the link! -Rick I. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Sep 4 00:59:26 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:59:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Great Dorset Steam Fair References: <000501c90e34$0d804c50$0201a8c0@marlin> Message-ID: <000801c90e64$2818eb50$742d0556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick I." To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Great Dorset Steam Fair > Dave Croft writes: >>See http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/campingstoveman/GreatDorsetSteamFair2008 > > Holy COW, some guy brought his LOCOMOTIVE on a flatbed to the show??? Wow! > http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/campingstoveman/GreatDorsetSteamFair2008#5241372731924550258 > Thanks for the link! > -Rick I. There are better pictures of the loco further on, Rick. Also many other large loads, see the US tank transporter. If you would like to see the show & hear the famous Doctor Buster on U Tube see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd_HhyP6ljI&feature=related There are many UTube videos of this and other shows. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 4 09:22:46 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:22:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Great Dorset Steam Fair References: <000501c90e34$0d804c50$0201a8c0@marlin> <000801c90e64$2818eb50$742d0556@intrepid> Message-ID: <008b01c90eaa$78988360$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> & hear the famous Doctor Buster > on U Tube see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd_HhyP6ljI&feature=related > There are many UTube videos of this and other shows. > >>>> That was worth this month's IP fees . The Safety Officer's on the site Par Le Vous. The Safety Officer's on the site Par Le Vous. The Safety Officer's on the site , waving his arms and talking shitte inky dinky par les vous . Orange netting round the ring Par Le Vous. Orange netting round the ring Par Le Vous. Orange netting round the ring , no way out and no way een inky dinky par les vous . Chuck From Frank at lbpinc.com Thu Sep 4 10:38:12 2008 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:38:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> You may want to go out and buy some Vice Grips NOW Vise-Grip plant moving to China http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26531610/ Frank DeWitt Light plant WEB page http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com From gastzt at aol.com Thu Sep 4 11:28:30 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:28:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: VICE GRIPS---- THAT is very SAD to hear! WHAT next???? Stan Pleasanton, Tx **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Sep 4 11:44:50 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:44:50 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] Oh gads In-Reply-To: <00ac01c90e07$70450060$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <00ac01c90e07$70450060$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <62131.168.215.206.73.1220553890.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Chuck, I've been so busy lately I've been deleting whole sections of the lists and have been missing a lot. Can't find the original post on this, but is this Tin Lizzy in OZ that is being discussed? You asked about a couple of close up photos. I had my buddy at NASA reorient one of the satellites for a moment and take a few photos :-) Not the best photos but maybe they will help. I can't get Irfanview to create a thumbnail page without going fubar at the moment so I'm just posting the links: and then ....74, 75, 76, thru 86 14 total photos. A few closeups of the wheels. Curt > > >> Anybody got detail photos of the shoes on that puppy?? >> >> > Plenty on google looks like they do flop down like the ass end of your > house > slippers > each with a pair of cables keeping them on . > > > c > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 4 11:50:28 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:50:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <000a01c90ebf$1a1ab4b0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Vise-Grip plant moving to China > Those bastards from Irwin .... They bought the name a few years ago and started "fixing " it . I have refused to use their new part numbers going on a couple years now . A 10CR is a 10 CR , the whole world over . And that's what I ask for From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Thu Sep 4 14:04:09 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:04:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> For what good it will do, I sent a scathing email to Irwin Tools and also a Thank you note to Channellock, for continuing to manufacture their products in Meadville, PA. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank DeWitt" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:38 PM Subject: [SEL] (no subject) > You may want to go out and buy some Vice Grips NOW > > > Vise-Grip plant moving to China > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26531610/ > > Frank DeWitt > > Light plant WEB page > http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank > Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com > LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 > 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 > Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Sep 4 15:23:57 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:23:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally In-Reply-To: <000c01c90edb$f1a0e550$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <000c01c90edb$f1a0e550$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <487314AD962846FCA9F6C5486E56AC1E@PML> I am just about to finish tarping up the engine ready to travel. Trust me to decide to bring the one engine that is not weatherproof! I should be on the road north in an hour or so :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Friday, 5 September 2008 8:17 AM To: Oldengine.org; ATIS Subject: Rusty Iron Rally Hi all Well, I hope it fines up for tomorrow for the Rusty Iron Rally at Macksville !! It had poured rain all night here and forecast for Macksville Friday is strong winds and heavy rain. Saturday forecast is cloudy with some showers, fingers crossed. Peter, Oz To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Sep 4 15:16:56 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:16:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Message-ID: <000c01c90edb$f1a0e550$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi all Well, I hope it fines up for tomorrow for the Rusty Iron Rally at Macksville !! It had poured rain all night here and forecast for Macksville Friday is strong winds and heavy rain. Saturday forecast is cloudy with some showers, fingers crossed. Peter, Oz From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Sep 4 14:21:51 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:21:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080904172121.0303b4f0@pop3.wcoil.com> Why? To help them finance the move to China! Mark At 01:38 PM 9/4/08, you wrote: >You may want to go out and buy some Vice Grips NOW > > >Vise-Grip plant moving to China > > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26531610/ > > Frank DeWitt > > Light plant WEB page >http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank > Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com > LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 > 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 > Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Sep 4 15:40:37 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 08:40:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Oh gads In-Reply-To: <62131.168.215.206.73.1220553890.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com > References: <00ac01c90e07$70450060$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <62131.168.215.206.73.1220553890.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080905083559.02365108@ncable.com.au> Not that I have spare time to driver over there at present but this machine is only 15 minutes away from home in a town called Red Cliffs. Maybe Jim Bethell (Jims Iron) could get some good close ups. Let us know how much you want to see of it. The engine in the Lizzi from memory is a 9hp Blackstone??(not 100% sure). It is not the original engine; I don't recall what it was. Maybe Curts may have some notes on it from when he and Missy were here on holidays? BTW: the flywheel is still on it. Russell At 04:44 AM 5/09/2008, you wrote: >Chuck, >I've been so busy lately I've been deleting whole sections of the lists >and have been missing a lot. Can't find the original post on this, but is >this Tin Lizzy in OZ that is being discussed? You asked about a couple of >close up photos. >I had my buddy at NASA reorient one of the satellites for a moment and >take a few photos :-) Not the best photos but maybe they will help. >I can't get Irfanview to create a thumbnail page without going fubar at >the moment so I'm just posting the links: > > >and then ....74, 75, 76, thru 86 > > > >14 total photos. A few closeups of the wheels. > >Curt > > > > > > > >> Anybody got detail photos of the shoes on that puppy?? > >> > >> > > Plenty on google looks like they do flop down like the ass end of your > > house > > slippers > > each with a pair of cables keeping them on . > > > > > > c > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 5 08:16:36 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:16:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Oh gads References: <00ac01c90e07$70450060$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><62131.168.215.206.73.1220553890.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20080905083559.02365108@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <001001c90f6a$63cd51c0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Not that I have spare time to driver over there at present but this > machine is only 15 minutes away from home in a town called Red > Cliffs. Maybe Jim Bethell (Jims Iron) could get some good close ups. > Let us know how much you want to see of it. The engine in the Lizzi > from memory is a 9hp Blackstone??(not 100% sure). It is not the > original engine; I don't recall what it was. Maybe Curts may have > some notes on it from when he and Missy were here on holidays? BTW: > the flywheel is still on it. > Russell>>> First off chuck aint building no butt buggies , and Elden has probably seen enough to get the idea . So dont tool around burning petrol on my account . BUT there dont appear to be any decent close ups of the dreadnoughts on the internet , and that's just shameful. :-) And secondly , it was supposed to have had a 60HP Blackstone in it . The white one in it dont look too awful big Here is a better shot of the trailer load of steam engines . http://mview.museum.vic.gov.au/paimages/mm/004/PA004937.JPG No matter where , SEL is there . c From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Sep 5 08:38:13 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:38:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> <00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <679F5F61-5709-4434-80C1-787920AB370D@rustyiron.com> On Sep 4, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Tod Engine Foundation wrote: > For what good it will do, I sent a scathing email to Irwin Tools Why, Rick? An employee-employer relationship is one of mutual benefit. If the relationship ceases to be beneficial, either party has the right to sever the relationship. What was your first job? Maybe a floor sweeper in a shop, or a hamburger flipper? After you performed at the job for six months or a year, you became smarter and found yourself a better job. Should you have been indebted to your former employer? Should you have been forced to continue sweeping floors, like an indentured servant? The fact is, the relationship was no longer beneficial for you, so you severed it. If, by your own laziness or personal limitations, you were unable to improve yourself and get a better job, should your former employer have been forced to continue paying you to sweep floors until you reached the age of retirement? The answer is "NO!," because this isn't France, this isn't Germany. This is the United States of America, where we all have the freedom to enter into the business relationships that we choose. Opportunities abound for those who are willing to are willing to seize them. For those who are not, mediocrity awaits. From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Sep 5 09:51:35 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:51:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gamtra In-Reply-To: <6f6025160808311307k6ed562e0nc9c63fd1cf8e0fb0@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160808271322r306ffe1cl67ffcee30a9a6e1@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808281857o1549c95fxd9f3436532479b0c@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808311307k6ed562e0nc9c63fd1cf8e0fb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Can someone please give me the dates fot the GAMTRA show in Dallas, N.C. this year. It's not on their website, Thanks Steve> _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 5 11:15:22 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:15:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <679F5F61-5709-4434-80C1-787920AB370D@rustyiron.com> References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> <00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <679F5F61-5709-4434-80C1-787920AB370D@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <4D1A8691-F455-494D-A3E5-D192D20912BA@alltel.net> >> For what good it will do, I sent a scathing email to Irwin Tools > > > Why, Rick? > If, by your own laziness or personal limitations, you were unable to > improve yourself and get a better job, should your former employer > have been forced to continue paying you to sweep floors until you > reached the age of retirement? > > The answer is "NO!," because this isn't France, this isn't Germany. > This is the United States of America, where we all have the freedom to > enter into the business relationships that we choose. Right on Rob! Dave PS, Buy Chinese rubbers--we need to increase the US population! From enginepaul at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 11:10:52 2008 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:10:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <679F5F61-5709-4434-80C1-787920AB370D@rustyiron.com> References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> <00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <679F5F61-5709-4434-80C1-787920AB370D@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0809051110x25b747dftc2376072a6dffc4@mail.gmail.com> Not exactly: "This is the United States of America, where we all have the freedom to enter into the business relationships that we choose." In San Francisco, if a landlord wants to go out of the rental business, he has to pay the tenants to leave. Socialism is creeping in. Businesses have other employee restrictions. Paul in SanFran From curt at rustyiron.com Fri Sep 5 11:55:15 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:55:15 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] Gamtra In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160808271322r306ffe1cl67ffcee30a9a6e1@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808281857o1549c95fxd9f3436532479b0c@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808311307k6ed562e0nc9c63fd1cf8e0fb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <62259.168.215.206.73.1220640915.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Oct 10, 11 ,12. My bad, I'll get it updated. Thanks, Curt H > > Can someone please give me the dates fot the GAMTRA show in Dallas, N.C. > this year. It's not on their website, Thanks Steve> > _________________________________________________________________ > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at rustyiron.com Fri Sep 5 12:19:30 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] Gamtra In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160808271322r306ffe1cl67ffcee30a9a6e1@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808281857o1549c95fxd9f3436532479b0c@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808311307k6ed562e0nc9c63fd1cf8e0fb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <62138.168.215.206.73.1220642370.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Steve, Web site updated w/ this year's show information. Thanks, Curt > > Can someone please give me the dates fot the GAMTRA show in Dallas, N.C. > this year. It's not on their website, Thanks Steve> > _________________________________________________________________ > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From oldiron62 at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 17:45:17 2008 From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:45:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) was now china References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> <00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> Message-ID: <002601c90fb9$df8bd760$6501a8c0@FAMILYROOM> I am trying to finance there move to china, went and slipped 20 pairs (US made) of the welding clamp jobs into a sack of seed wheat at the farm store last week. So that should get them well on their way to moving out china bound, LOL ironman PS that bag of cover crop seed was a good buy :<) $12.00 and the vice grips enhanced the bargin a good bit. Oh I see that Crescent has sold out to the chinese bastards also. They go good in loose nails also, only .99 cents a pound ! And damnned it the nails were made in china also. Wiss snips claim to be made here still. How can we stop these companies from leaving ? Only thing I can think of is put a high import tax on everything being shipped in from these slopeheads. if it costs 20 bucks then the import tax needs to be $20 a pair or dont unload them. Send a few ships back and maybe the lazy US people will change their minds about sending all these dies out of USA. When their gone they are gone, like the tool and die men. How many tool a die makers do you know of ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine Foundation" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > For what good it will do, I sent a scathing email to Irwin Tools and also > a > Thank you note to Channellock, for continuing to manufacture their > products > in Meadville, PA. > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank DeWitt" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:38 PM > Subject: [SEL] (no subject) > > >> You may want to go out and buy some Vice Grips NOW >> >> >> Vise-Grip plant moving to China >> >> >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26531610/ >> >> Frank DeWitt >> >> Light plant WEB page >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank >> Mechanical Design mailto:frank at lbpinc.com >> LBP INC. Phone: 585 624 3052 >> 2365 Cox Rd. Fax 585 624 1038 >> Bloomfield NY 14469 Web http://www.lbpinc.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Sep 5 17:50:50 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:50:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gamtra In-Reply-To: <62138.168.215.206.73.1220642370.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <6f6025160808271322r306ffe1cl67ffcee30a9a6e1@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808281857o1549c95fxd9f3436532479b0c@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160808311307k6ed562e0nc9c63fd1cf8e0fb0@mail.gmail.com> <62138.168.215.206.73.1220642370.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Thanks Curt, I sure didn't want to miss a great show! > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:19:30 -0600> From: curt at rustyiron.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gamtra> > Steve,> Web site updated w/ this year's show information. Thanks, Curt> > > > > >> > Can someone please give me the dates fot the GAMTRA show in Dallas, N.C.> > this year. It's not on their website, Thanks Steve>> > _________________________________________________________________> > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live.> > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> >> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 5 14:28:49 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:28:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net><00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <679F5F61-5709-4434-80C1-787920AB370D@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <004301c90f9e$63832bc0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I'll let ya know how much they were able to drop their prices . Bet ya a hole in an oiler gasket they dont . > This is the United States of America, where we all have the freedom to > enter into the business relationships that we choose. From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Sep 5 21:55:59 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:55:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Maytag Washer for sale in Minnesota In-Reply-To: <000a01c90ebf$1a1ab4b0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> <000a01c90ebf$1a1ab4b0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080906005137.033b4bc0@pop3.wcoil.com> Any body have a use for a old Maytag Wringer washer in St. Paul, MN Contact this lady, "JoAnn Ronning" She has one to sell. She is not on any of the lists. Just contacted me thru the club looking to find a home for her washer. Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 6 06:10:42 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 23:10:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally 2008 report Message-ID: <000301c91021$f9eb4380$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi all Well, I spent the day at Macksville at the Rusty Iron Rally and YES I was flamed for not taking an engine, that's life.!! ;-)) It poured rain yesterday, Friday, and today, Saturday, was fine but the place was a bog. Numbers were down but may pickup tomorrow if it stays fine. A good turnout of tractors, 2 nice steam traction engines, stationary steam also, vintage cars and bikes and engines. The track into the car park had been chewed up by trucks and 4x4's and getting my lowered V8 out was a struggle, the front spoiler acted like a grader blade and when I got home the was 4Kgs of mud stuck there. Met up with Patrick, Ron, Liz, Cam & Edd and did not see Al and his son Glen. I think Brad is going Sunday. It was still a good day and I bought a few tools seeing Sunday is Father's Day here in Oz. I am uploading images from today but it will take about an hour, there are 158 photos I will show next year, I promise ;-)) Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 6 06:26:59 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 08:26:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) was now china References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net><00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <002601c90fb9$df8bd760$6501a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <006601c91024$3e12b410$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > I am trying to finance there move to china, went and slipped 20 pairs (US > made) of the welding clamp jobs into a sack of seed wheat at the farm > store > last week. So that should get them well on their way to moving out china > bound, LOL> ironman > PS that bag of cover crop seed was a good buy :<) $12.00 and the vice > grips > enhanced the bargin a good bit. Oh I see that Crescent has sold out to the > chinese bastards also. They go good in loose nails also, only .99 cents a > pound ! And at current margins how many will the feed store have to sell to merely break even and still cover the ones you ripped off ? All this does is advance the demise of your local feed store and the inevitable move to one much larger , farther away , and fully manned by mopheaded nitwits with nose rings that think Karl Marx was the one with the cigar . From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 6 07:02:10 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 00:02:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally photos are up Message-ID: <000301c91029$286326e0$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi all Click here for Rusty Iron Rally photos http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/Rusty_Iron_Rallly_2008/index.htm Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Sep 6 07:24:41 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 07:24:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally photos are up In-Reply-To: <000301c91029$286326e0$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <000301c91029$286326e0$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <58A80BEC-226E-4B31-86A4-8EB7F5826E00@rustyiron.com> On Sep 6, 2008, at 7:02 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all > > Click here for Rusty Iron Rally photos > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/Rusty_Iron_Rallly_2008/ > index.htm G'day Pete, Those pictures just reinforce the thought that you blokes have the highest concentration of bitchin' engines in the whole wide world. Thanks for putting up the web page. Rob From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 6 12:49:01 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:49:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally photos are up References: <000301c91029$286326e0$0200a8c0@PETER> <58A80BEC-226E-4B31-86A4-8EB7F5826E00@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <000801c91059$9cf622c0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > G'day Pete, > Those pictures just reinforce the thought that you blokes have the > highest concentration of bitchin' engines in the whole wide world. > Thanks for putting up the web page. > > Rob http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/Rusty_Iron_Rallly_2008/pages/DSC08186%20(Small)_JPG.htm From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 6 12:50:07 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:50:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally photos are up References: <000301c91029$286326e0$0200a8c0@PETER> <58A80BEC-226E-4B31-86A4-8EB7F5826E00@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <000d01c91059$c3f50bc0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > G'day Pete, > Those pictures just reinforce the thought that you blokes have the > highest concentration of bitchin' engines in the whole wide world. > Thanks for putting up the web page. > > Rob http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/Rusty_Iron_Rallly_2008/pages/DSC08186%20(Small)_JPG.htm and scooters too ! Is that a skipole sticking off the rear wishbone ? cv From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 6 15:34:07 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 08:34:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally photos are up References: <000301c91029$286326e0$0200a8c0@PETER><58A80BEC-226E-4B31-86A4-8EB7F5826E00@rustyiron.com> <000d01c91059$c3f50bc0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <000f01c91070$acb08180$0200a8c0@PETER> >> G'day Pete, >> Those pictures just reinforce the thought that you blokes have the >> highest concentration of bitchin' engines in the whole wide world. >> Thanks for putting up the web page. >> >> Rob > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/Rusty_Iron_Rallly_2008/pages/DSC08186%20(Small)_JPG.htm > and scooters too ! Is that a skipole sticking off the rear wishbone ? Your very observant, not sure what it is? The bike is an ex army bike so it could be. Peter From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 6 18:57:10 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:57:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally photos are up Message-ID: <000601c9108d$0a4e0c10$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi All I have updated the rally page and added names, any I have missed out because I do know what they are, feel free to send me the link and I will update it. Regards Peter Click here for Rusty Iron Rally photos http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/Rusty_Iron_Rallly_2008/index.htm From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Sat Sep 6 19:06:49 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:06:49 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally photos are up In-Reply-To: <000d01c91059$c3f50bc0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <000301c91029$286326e0$0200a8c0@PETER> <58A80BEC-226E-4B31-86A4-8EB7F5826E00@rustyiron.com> <000d01c91059$c3f50bc0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <48C33739.5080308@optusnet.com.au> Rob > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/Rusty_Iron_Rallly_2008/pages/DSC08186%20(Small)_JPG.htm > and scooters too ! Is that a skipole sticking off the rear wishbone ? > > > > > > cv > I think that is the side prop stand on a BSA M20 c.1942. JW? (if there's one fing wot I like . . . ) From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Sep 7 02:27:33 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:27:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally photos are up Message-ID: <000b01c910cb$f58290f0$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi All In looking at the exhibits this weekend, there was a big lack of Display Signs giving engine info. How the hell are the general public and other exhibitors to know what engine is what as well as HP and other technical details. I have included the display signs where possible and in future will take good close shots of these signs so you all can read them. Some photos crept in from last years Rusty Iron Rally 2007, a couple of the tractor shots and one or two engines. There items were also here this year so the shots are relevant. Click here for Rusty Iron Rally photos http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/Rusty_Iron_Rallly_2008/index.htm I have included Allan, Glen and Brad in the List Photo, not sure if they all turned up, Brad was going Sunday. Regards Peter From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Sep 7 11:39:30 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:39:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland Message-ID: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> We have a few decent pictures of the folks around the ATIS area at Portland, are there any objections to these being put out on our websites publicly, or would you all prefer that they be put in a separate folder with the url only being posted here on the Lists? There's enough for a complete menu page (24pics) I think. The 'flycatching' Arnie and sleeping Reggie will not be included! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Sep 7 16:27:09 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:27:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally photos are up In-Reply-To: <000b01c910cb$f58290f0$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <000b01c910cb$f58290f0$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <9D35E818BBF14288A8007BC60CC19911@PML> Hi Peter, I think many of the display signs did not come out because the ground was so wet or the signs were damaged in transit. I have never driven through such bad weather to get to a rally. I think it was only the hardiest of engine people who actually got there with an engine ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Hi All In looking at the exhibits this weekend, there was a big lack of Display Signs giving engine info. How the hell are the general public and other exhibitors to know what engine is what as well as HP and other technical details. I have included the display signs where possible and in future will take good close shots of these signs so you all can read them. Some photos crept in from last years Rusty Iron Rally 2007, a couple of the tractor shots and one or two engines. There items were also here this year so the shots are relevant. Click here for Rusty Iron Rally photos http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/Rusty_Iron_Rallly_2008/index.htm I have included Allan, Glen and Brad in the List Photo, not sure if they all turned up, Brad was going Sunday. Regards Peter From steve_royster at hotmail.com Sun Sep 7 18:39:29 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 21:39:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Post them all! > Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:39:30 +0100> From: listerdiesel at gmail.com> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland> > We have a few decent pictures of the folks around the ATIS area at> Portland, are there any objections to these being put out on our> websites publicly, or would you all prefer that they be put in a> separate folder with the url only being posted here on the Lists?> > There's enough for a complete menu page (24pics) I think.> > The 'flycatching' Arnie and sleeping Reggie will not be included! :-))> > Peter> -- > Peter A Forbes> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel> http://stationary-engine.co.uk> http://www.oldengine.co.uk> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Sep 7 20:12:20 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:12:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland References: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000701c91160$b4c65840$726f4b47@mikecomp> I agree, let the sleeping dogs beware! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland Post them all! > Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:39:30 +0100> From: listerdiesel at gmail.com> To: > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Subject: > [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland> > We have a few decent pictures of > the folks around the ATIS area at> Portland, are there any objections to > these being put out on our> websites publicly, or would you all prefer > that they be put in a> separate folder with the url only being posted here > on the Lists?> > There's enough for a complete menu page (24pics) I > think.> > The 'flycatching' Arnie and sleeping Reggie will not be > included! :-))> > Peter> -- > Peter A Forbes> Email: > listerdiesel at gmail.com> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel> > http://stationary-engine.co.uk> http://www.oldengine.co.uk> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldiron62 at gmail.com Sun Sep 7 20:16:13 2008 From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:16:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) was now china now Stealing References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net><00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><002601c90fb9$df8bd760$6501a8c0@FAMILYROOM> <006601c91024$3e12b410$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <004101c91161$4cc21ee0$6501a8c0@FAMILYROOM> CHUCK I did not do that ! It was meant as a joke, dont like my stuff walking off and know how it feels. And I think there is a PAYDAY for theives. Sorry if it sounded like a real happening I meant it as a joke only. The truth is any of the feedstores hardware around here would give loan ect anything I might need at any time. I have good relationship with these stores and know that at current prices it would be devastating for them to loose a loss of this kind. I do not think that either place has 20 pair of vice grips on the wall at any time. And I have 8-10 pair around the place already, some are 20+ years old. Sometimes i buy a pair at the flea market also I like the ones with a bit of weld on them for a buck or two. And then it could not be done the way I said, for the seed feed nails ect is out in another building. Sorry again, it was meant as a joke only !! And should have been never said, my mistake im guilty of not being clear on that. The other day I was gettin some Orings and going in and out to match them up to hyd fitting in the truck. And come away with a couple in my pocket by accident, the next day I was back exchanging one and paying for them both. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) was now china > > I am trying to finance there move to china, went and slipped 20 pairs > > (US >> made) of the welding clamp jobs into a sack of seed wheat at the farm >> store >> last week. So that should get them well on their way to moving out china >> bound, LOL> ironman >> PS that bag of cover crop seed was a good buy :<) $12.00 and the vice >> grips >> enhanced the bargin a good bit. Oh I see that Crescent has sold out to >> the >> chinese bastards also. They go good in loose nails also, only .99 cents a >> pound ! > > And at current margins how many will the feed store have to sell to merely > break even > and still cover the ones you ripped off ? > > All this does is advance the demise of your local feed store and the > inevitable move > to one much larger , farther away , and fully manned by mopheaded nitwits > with nose rings that think Karl Marx was the one with the cigar . > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 7 20:58:13 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:58:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland In-Reply-To: <000701c91160$b4c65840$726f4b47@mikecomp> References: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> <000701c91160$b4c65840$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: YES, post them all and let doG sort them out! Dave On Sep 7, 2008, at 11:12 PM, Mike Royster wrote: > I agree, let the sleeping dogs beware! > > MR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Royster" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:39 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland > > > > Post them all! From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Sep 7 20:57:16 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (plowe at exemail.com.au) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:57:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally photos are up Message-ID: <380-2200891835716173@M2W033.mail2web.com> Hi Patrick Yes the rain was a bitch, I laminate all my engine signs just in case it rains. I guess now some smart ass will come back and say, "but you don't take any engines".;-))) I am actually doing a one man exhibit at our local school this Saturday and taking 6 engines and signs. It is only 300 metres from home, around the corner, perfect. Al, you are welcome to come along. Peter Hi Peter, I think many of the display signs did not come out because the ground was so wet or the signs were damaged in transit. I have never driven through such bad weather to get to a rally. I think it was only the hardiest of engine people who actually got there with an engine ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Hi All In looking at the exhibits this weekend, there was a big lack of Display Signs giving engine info. How the hell are the general public and other exhibitors to know what engine is what as well as HP and other technical details. I have included the display signs where possible and in future will take good close shots of these signs so you all can read them. Some photos crept in from last years Rusty Iron Rally 2007, a couple of the tractor shots and one or two engines. There items were also here this year so the shots are relevant. Click here for Rusty Iron Rally photos http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/Rusty_Iron_Rallly_2008/index.htm I have included Allan, Glen and Brad in the List Photo, not sure if they all turned up, Brad was going Sunday. Regards Peter _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Sep 7 21:24:40 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:24:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Message-ID: <3C3F315A5A854009A9B188CB2464F92D@PML> I am starting to recover from a big weekend at the Rusty Iron Rally. Ron & Liz travelled up with me in the Navara with the YC Stover in tow. We had over 6 hours of driving in torrential rain we arrived and thought of heading home again without unloading. During dinner that night the rain cleared and the weather was stunning all weekend. Even though it was well tarped with Stover ended up with about a litre of water in the fuel tank! Once the water was drained the engine was running OK but would mysteriously stop. I found that the adjusting screw had stipped on the Webster so I fixes it with a couple of lock nuts. The engine was still not running right but Edd quickly diagnosed the problem as a slightly weak spring on the Webster trip. This was quickly fixed and the engine gave no further trouble. A great weekend was had by all even though numbers were down due to the terrible rain through NSW and Qld, but none fell at Macksville the whole weekend! I have put some pictures up at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri08/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Sep 7 22:31:10 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:31:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <356AC9FC-0C5C-4198-8AD8-8898934790F0@rustyiron.com> On Sep 7, 2008, at 11:39 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > We have a few decent pictures of the folks around the ATIS area at > Portland, are there any objections to these being put out on our > websites publicly, or would you all prefer that they be put in a > separate folder with the url only being posted here on the Lists? > > There's enough for a complete menu page (24pics) I think. > Peter, It might be best if you omitted the pictures of the Royster boys with those Amish girls at the 'shine tastin' party. From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Sun Sep 7 23:01:25 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 07:01:25 +0100 Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland References: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002801c91178$53f4a720$334e6f58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Peter, Post them all sleeping beauties as well , as some people might not have been around at that times, Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: ; "Stationary-Engine" Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 7:39 PM Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland > We have a few decent pictures of the folks around the ATIS area at > Portland, are there any objections to these being put out on our > websites publicly, or would you all prefer that they be put in a > separate folder with the url only being posted here on the Lists? > > There's enough for a complete menu page (24pics) I think. > > The 'flycatching' Arnie and sleeping Reggie will not be included! :-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Sep 8 06:01:23 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:01:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220878883.48c522234173e@webmail.city-net.com> Hell Peter, Include 'em all. It's a part of the "Portland Experience." Besides how else will we ever convince folks that these shows are such work? See ya, Arnie Quoting Listerdiesel : > We have a few decent pictures of the folks around the ATIS area at > Portland, are there any objections to these being put out on our > websites publicly, or would you all prefer that they be put in a > separate folder with the url only being posted here on the Lists? > > There's enough for a complete menu page (24pics) I think. > > The 'flycatching' Arnie and sleeping Reggie will not be included! :-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 8 07:25:37 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:25:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) was now china now Stealing References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net><00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><002601c90fb9$df8bd760$6501a8c0@FAMILYROOM><006601c91024$3e12b410$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <004101c91161$4cc21ee0$6501a8c0@FAMILYROOM> Message-ID: <008e01c911be$c44870b0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > CHUCK I did not do that ! It was meant as a joke, dont like my stuff > walking off and know how it feels. Try a "LOL" here and there or as the kids say "lulz" to add inflection . Thanks anyway for givin me room to take another swat at a commie for mommy . /// And I think there is a PAYDAY for theives. Not even when I catch 'em .....dude , they need to have some meth in their pocket to make it stick . I should keep a a little rock around just to toss at their feet . From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Sep 8 10:51:59 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:51:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland In-Reply-To: <356AC9FC-0C5C-4198-8AD8-8898934790F0@rustyiron.com> References: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> <356AC9FC-0C5C-4198-8AD8-8898934790F0@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hey Rob, Those girls were of legal drinkin age! They showed us their buggy licenses! Steve , the good Royster > >> > Peter,> It might be best if you omitted the pictures of the Royster boys with > those Amish girls at the 'shine tastin' party.> > > > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 11:21:08 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:21:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160809081121v5f6362caic2b9fe8659acf061@mail.gmail.com> On 07/09/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > We have a few decent pictures of the folks around the ATIS area at Portland We have made up a menu page with as many respectable images as we can muster, but we had to leave quite a few out after many 'private' representations off-list.....:-)) We have included as many of the ATIS/SEL 'family' as we could, and have also chucked in the Smokstak picture from Friday which was taken an hour before the ATIS/SEL one, and a few of the Smokstak people, including Harry Matthews and his Lady, Jeannie. The menu page is NOT accesible from the main website, and once you leave it to the main menu page, you cannot get back to it. It is also only on oldengine.org, NOT on stationary-engine.co.uk. http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08ATISMenu.htm If anyone wants a full-strength copy of any of the pictures, let me know and I'll email them over. Let me know if there are any problems please. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 13:39:38 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 21:39:38 +0100 Subject: [SEL] ATIS People pictures at Portland In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809081121v5f6362caic2b9fe8659acf061@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160809071139u6a81ea84t7f7b0c5dd044c5b3@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160809081121v5f6362caic2b9fe8659acf061@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160809081339t40db4a5m6e9959a0344faef7@mail.gmail.com> On 08/09/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > The menu page is NOT accesible from the main website, and once you > leave it to the main menu page, you cannot get back to it. It is also > only on oldengine.org, NOT on stationary-engine.co.uk. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08ATISMenu.htm We have ported it over to stationary-engine.co.uk as there seems to be a great demand for the downloads which is slowing the server up a lot: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland08/Portland08ATISMenu.htm Same rules apply, that's a one-way url, once you are out of the page you cannot get back in through the usual website menuing. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From kimmell at verizon.net Tue Sep 9 19:49:26 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:49:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0809051110x25b747dftc2376072a6dffc4@mail.gmail.com > References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> <00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <679F5F61-5709-4434-80C1-787920AB370D@rustyiron.com> <8d3c36fb0809051110x25b747dftc2376072a6dffc4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0K6W009ATQH2BW59@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> If he's a landlord, I'm assuming he has some sort of lease contract with the renters. If he wants to get out of the rental business before that contract expires, then he SHOULD have to pay the tenants. It's the same as cancelling your cell phone contract early and paying the early cancellation fee. -Tony At 01:10 PM 9/5/2008, you wrote: >In San Francisco, if a landlord wants to go out of the rental business, he >has to pay the tenants to leave. Socialism is creeping in. Businesses have >other employee restrictions. > >Paul in SanFran >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From enginepaul at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 22:18:02 2008 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 22:18:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <0K6W009ATQH2BW59@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> <00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <679F5F61-5709-4434-80C1-787920AB370D@rustyiron.com> <8d3c36fb0809051110x25b747dftc2376072a6dffc4@mail.gmail.com> <0K6W009ATQH2BW59@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0809082218q3cf0a469o19bad4be6bad6242@mail.gmail.com> " If he wants to get out of the rental business before that contract expires, then he SHOULD have to pay the tenants. " The 'contract' doesn't expire and rent increases are limited and so are the reasons for evictions. Rent control is touted as helping the poor; but there is no tenant's income limit so it helps lots of rich people too. My friend Bill isn't allowed to move back into his own building as just one situation that I consider unfair. (Google SF Rent control for more info) Paul in SanFran From camaned at bigpond.com Tue Sep 9 07:47:27 2008 From: camaned at bigpond.com (Cam & Edwina) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:47:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally 2008 report In-Reply-To: <000301c91021$f9eb4380$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <000301c91021$f9eb4380$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <39B76248397D41BEB58AA865592C891D@CamPC> Thanks for the pics pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 11:10 PM Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally 2008 report > Hi all > > Well, I spent the day at Macksville at the Rusty Iron Rally and YES I was > flamed for not taking an engine, that's life.!! ;-)) > It poured rain yesterday, Friday, and today, Saturday, was fine but the > place was a bog. > Numbers were down but may pickup tomorrow if it stays fine. A good turnout > of tractors, 2 nice steam traction engines, stationary steam also, vintage > cars and bikes and engines. > The track into the car park had been chewed up by trucks and 4x4's and > getting my lowered V8 out was a struggle, the front spoiler acted like a > grader blade and when I got home the was 4Kgs of mud stuck there. > Met up with Patrick, Ron, Liz, Cam & Edd and did not see Al and his son > Glen. I think Brad is going Sunday. It was still a good day and I bought a > few tools seeing Sunday is Father's Day here in Oz. > > I am uploading images from today but it will take about an hour, there are > 158 photos > > I will show next year, I promise ;-)) > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Sep 9 12:55:28 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:55:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0809082218q3cf0a469o19bad4be6bad6242@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Paul: I dunno what this has to do with engines but what do you expect from The People's Republic of San Francisco? :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of P. Johns > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:18 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > > > " If he wants to get out of the rental business > before that contract expires, then he SHOULD have > to pay the > tenants. " > The 'contract' doesn't expire and rent increases > are limited and so are the > reasons for evictions. Rent control is touted as > helping the poor; but there > is no tenant's income limit so it helps lots of > rich people too. My friend > Bill isn't allowed to move back into his own > building as just one situation > that I consider unfair. (Google SF Rent control > for more info) > > Paul in SanFran From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Sep 9 12:39:09 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:39:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: Message-ID: This whole "vice-grip"? thread has nothing to do with engines. Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 3:55 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) Paul: I dunno what this has to do with engines but what do you expect from The People's Republic of San Francisco? :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of P. Johns > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:18 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > > > " If he wants to get out of the rental business > before that contract expires, then he SHOULD have > to pay the > tenants. " > The 'contract' doesn't expire and rent increases > are limited and so are the > reasons for evictions. Rent control is touted as > helping the poor; but there > is no tenant's income limit so it helps lots of > rich people too. My friend > Bill isn't allowed to move back into his own > building as just one situation > that I consider unfair. (Google SF Rent control > for more info) > > Paul in SanFran _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 9 13:14:11 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 16:14:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04923FE0-3BFA-4DC3-8F58-1814AAD69E7A@alltel.net> Hi Jim, I use vice grips on my engines! Hell, I even have a Chinese engine (that Twin gave me) so as soon as the Chinese produce the tool I can use it on that engine. Dave PS, Kerry, when will you guys in OZ start producing V-G's? The Austral needs some fine tuning. PPS, Paul, Does the rent control agency, also, determine the rental price of engines? PPPS, See Jim, even Paul's post was on topic! On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > This whole "vice-grip"? thread has nothing to do with engines. > Jim > > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden > DuRand > Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 3:55 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > > > > Paul: > > I dunno what this has to do with engines but what do you expect from > The People's Republic of San Francisco? :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of P. Johns >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:18 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) >> >> >> " If he wants to get out of the rental business >> before that contract expires, then he SHOULD have >> to pay the >> tenants. " >> The 'contract' doesn't expire and rent increases >> are limited and so are the >> reasons for evictions. Rent control is touted as >> helping the poor; but there >> is no tenant's income limit so it helps lots of >> rich people too. My friend >> Bill isn't allowed to move back into his own >> building as just one situation >> that I consider unfair. (Google SF Rent control >> for more info) >> >> Paul in SanFran From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Sep 9 14:25:09 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:25:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! References: <04923FE0-3BFA-4DC3-8F58-1814AAD69E7A@alltel.net> Message-ID: I'll concede to you on the vice grips.I wasn't thinking in broad enough terms.I don't accept that rent control has anything to do with engines.I think what made me question the direction in which this thread was going was the posts about "dog eaters". Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of David Rotigel Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 4:14 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! Hi Jim, I use vice grips on my engines! Hell, I even have a Chinese engine (that Twin gave me) so as soon as the Chinese produce the tool I can use it on that engine. Dave PS, Kerry, when will you guys in OZ start producing V-G's? The Austral needs some fine tuning. PPS, Paul, Does the rent control agency, also, determine the rental price of engines? PPPS, See Jim, even Paul's post was on topic! On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > This whole "vice-grip"? thread has nothing to do with engines. > Jim > > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden > DuRand > Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 3:55 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > > > > Paul: > > I dunno what this has to do with engines but what do you expect from > The People's Republic of San Francisco? :-) > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of P. Johns >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:18 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) >> >> >> " If he wants to get out of the rental business >> before that contract expires, then he SHOULD have >> to pay the >> tenants. " >> The 'contract' doesn't expire and rent increases >> are limited and so are the >> reasons for evictions. Rent control is touted as >> helping the poor; but there >> is no tenant's income limit so it helps lots of >> rich people too. My friend >> Bill isn't allowed to move back into his own >> building as just one situation >> that I consider unfair. (Google SF Rent control >> for more info) >> >> Paul in SanFran _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 9 15:50:16 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:50:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! In-Reply-To: References: <04923FE0-3BFA-4DC3-8F58-1814AAD69E7A@alltel.net> Message-ID: <99654CE9-7C54-4EA4-8256-F959B8C65A38@alltel.net> Hi Jim, Do you know Arnie? When he is not collecting old iron (or eating) he is an engineer at what used to be Westinghouse--it's now owned by some Jap company. In any event, the last time Arnie was in Korea (I think it was during a visit to Dear Leader) he tried dog. He said that it sure as hell didn't taste like chicken! Dave PS, Arnie's trip to Korea did NOT have anything to do with vice grips. Dear Leader would not tell me why Arnie was there! PPS, Have you ever met Little Lisa? On Sep 9, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > I'll concede to you on the vice grips.I wasn't thinking in broad > enough terms.I don't accept that rent control has anything to do > with engines.I think what made me question the direction in which > this thread was going was the posts about "dog eaters". > Jim > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of David > Rotigel > Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 4:14 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! > > > > Hi Jim, > I use vice grips on my engines! Hell, I even have a Chinese engine > (that Twin gave me) so as soon as the Chinese produce the tool I can > use it on that engine. > Dave > PS, Kerry, when will you guys in OZ start producing V-G's? The Austral > needs some fine tuning. > PPS, Paul, Does the rent control agency, also, determine the rental > price of engines? > PPPS, See Jim, even Paul's post was on topic! > > > > On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > >> This whole "vice-grip"? thread has nothing to do with engines. >> Jim >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden >> DuRand >> Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 3:55 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) >> >> >> >> Paul: >> >> I dunno what this has to do with engines but what do you expect from >> The People's Republic of San Francisco? :-) >> >> Take care - Elden >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>> Behalf Of P. Johns >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:18 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) >>> >>> >>> " If he wants to get out of the rental business >>> before that contract expires, then he SHOULD have >>> to pay the >>> tenants. " >>> The 'contract' doesn't expire and rent increases >>> are limited and so are the >>> reasons for evictions. Rent control is touted as >>> helping the poor; but there >>> is no tenant's income limit so it helps lots of >>> rich people too. My friend >>> Bill isn't allowed to move back into his own >>> building as just one situation >>> that I consider unfair. (Google SF Rent control >>> for more info) >>> >>> Paul in SanFran > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or > entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please > do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to > others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, > and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The > Timken Corporation _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Sep 9 15:46:32 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:46:32 +0800 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: Message-ID: I would certainly see vice grips as being an ''On Topic'' subject ,rental problems ...drawing a wide bow perhaps .However the inclusion of non topic subjects now and then makes it interesting..as long as they are so designated........I am waiting for that tabboo subject in the US to raise it's head again! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kangas, James G." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) This whole "vice-grip"? thread has nothing to do with engines. Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden DuRand Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 3:55 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) Paul: I dunno what this has to do with engines but what do you expect from The People's Republic of San Francisco? :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of P. Johns > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:18 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > > > " If he wants to get out of the rental business > before that contract expires, then he SHOULD have > to pay the > tenants. " > The 'contract' doesn't expire and rent increases > are limited and so are the > reasons for evictions. Rent control is touted as > helping the poor; but there > is no tenant's income limit so it helps lots of > rich people too. My friend > Bill isn't allowed to move back into his own > building as just one situation > that I consider unfair. (Google SF Rent control > for more info) > > Paul in SanFran _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Sep 9 16:03:28 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:03:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! References: <04923FE0-3BFA-4DC3-8F58-1814AAD69E7A@alltel.net> <99654CE9-7C54-4EA4-8256-F959B8C65A38@alltel.net> Message-ID: No I don't know Arnie nor have I met Little Lisa. Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of David Rotigel Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 6:50 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! Hi Jim, Do you know Arnie? When he is not collecting old iron (or eating) he is an engineer at what used to be Westinghouse--it's now owned by some Jap company. In any event, the last time Arnie was in Korea (I think it was during a visit to Dear Leader) he tried dog. He said that it sure as hell didn't taste like chicken! Dave PS, Arnie's trip to Korea did NOT have anything to do with vice grips. Dear Leader would not tell me why Arnie was there! PPS, Have you ever met Little Lisa? On Sep 9, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > I'll concede to you on the vice grips.I wasn't thinking in broad > enough terms.I don't accept that rent control has anything to do > with engines.I think what made me question the direction in which > this thread was going was the posts about "dog eaters". > Jim > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of David > Rotigel > Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 4:14 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! > > > > Hi Jim, > I use vice grips on my engines! Hell, I even have a Chinese engine > (that Twin gave me) so as soon as the Chinese produce the tool I can > use it on that engine. > Dave > PS, Kerry, when will you guys in OZ start producing V-G's? The Austral > needs some fine tuning. > PPS, Paul, Does the rent control agency, also, determine the rental > price of engines? > PPPS, See Jim, even Paul's post was on topic! > > > > On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > >> This whole "vice-grip"? thread has nothing to do with engines. >> Jim >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden >> DuRand >> Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 3:55 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) >> >> >> >> Paul: >> >> I dunno what this has to do with engines but what do you expect from >> The People's Republic of San Francisco? :-) >> >> Take care - Elden >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>> Behalf Of P. Johns >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:18 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) >>> >>> >>> " If he wants to get out of the rental business >>> before that contract expires, then he SHOULD have >>> to pay the >>> tenants. " >>> The 'contract' doesn't expire and rent increases >>> are limited and so are the >>> reasons for evictions. Rent control is touted as >>> helping the poor; but there >>> is no tenant's income limit so it helps lots of >>> rich people too. My friend >>> Bill isn't allowed to move back into his own >>> building as just one situation >>> that I consider unfair. (Google SF Rent control >>> for more info) >>> >>> Paul in SanFran > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or > entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please > do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to > others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, > and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The > Timken Corporation _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ilifa at internode.on.net Tue Sep 9 16:24:53 2008 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:24:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Meitz and weiss single cylinder marine engine In-Reply-To: <200809091601.m89G1MXc029685@marine1.pas-com.net> References: <200809091601.m89G1MXc029685@marine1.pas-com.net> Message-ID: <2D18CB76-1522-4F93-BC31-A2CAC83EF604@internode.on.net> The spelling here is not correct. I did a Google check and found out that this is a common mistake. The first name is Mietz, pronounced Meets. The second name Weiss, in original German, would be pronounced Vice, as in gripping device. It may well have been Anglicised to Wice. Just a bit of trivia! Eric From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Sep 9 16:35:24 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:35:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080909193346.0305d810@pop3.wcoil.com> What, Cow prolapse? Thats reaching back into List History for that banned subject. GRINNNNN. At 06:46 PM 9/9/08, you wrote: >I would certainly see vice grips as being an ''On Topic'' subject ,rental >problems ...drawing a wide bow perhaps .However the inclusion of non topic >subjects now and then makes it interesting..as long as they are so >designated........I am waiting for that tabboo subject in the US to raise >it's head again! Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Sep 9 16:50:31 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 16:50:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine finishes Message-ID: <20080909235031.208B44C8C9F@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi, ,what is the recipe for coating of boiled linseed oil and[?] on unpainted and rusty cast iron engines? Is it a mixture of Kero and linseed oil or something else? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Sep 9 16:50:48 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:50:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Information boards and shows Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080910005600.00c19d90@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, We also had our annual show this weekend - pages will hopefully be up by tomorrow night. I'm not as quick as those Aussies. Peter and Patrick - thanks for posting your "Rusty Iron' pics. Peter, how did you manage to beat Patrick - his pics are normally up so quickly :-) Your post included mention of the lack of "Info Boards". I experienced that this weekend and have included a note on my webpages (the one that will hopefully be up tomorrow). In the meantime here is a "copy & paste" from the page of my thoughts on the matter. "******** Note re. the importance of "information boards" on engines ******** Something discussed recently on the Old Engine list was the lack of "information boards" on engines. South Africa is no exception here and many engines lacked information boards (we call them "Brag Boards"). Even guys that I do know to own "Brag Boards" for their engines (I KNOW because I've made boards for them at no charge) did not bother to use them. My experience this weekend showed just how important these boards are. My 1928 Wolseley R was "parked" between my daughter's and my Wolseley WD9's (both 1960 something models). In the rush of loading everything for the show I forgot the board for the 1928 Wolseley (guilty as charged) and was really surprised at the number of spectators (and even a television crew) who would read one of the boards on the 1960's engines, walk right past the 1928 model and read the board on the other 1960 model - many took photographs and even made comments about "how nice they were" but ignored the far more collectible 1928 model. Of course I'm talking about the general public here, engine collectors know better and they admired the older engine. C'mon guys - use your boards - they enhance the display and the experience for spectators. Many spectators are too shy or lack the confidence to ask questions (many are even too scared to show their ignorance) so they just ignore the engine and move on. You'd be surprised at how many people will show interest and strike up a conversation with you if they just had "a bit of info" on the engine first - it seems to make them "more qualified" to talk to you or to compliment you on the engine (hey, we all like compliments). Remember also that the more discussions you have with spectators the more will you increase the chances that one of them may call you one day to say that they have found an old engine that you may be interested in." ******************** I have (and use) boards for each of my engines (O.K. so I'm luckier than most because I have a small sign business) but these boards need not cost a lot of bucks. Something simple made on your computer (or a mates computer) is better than nothing. After all the trouble and expense of restoring an engine this is only a small thing and makes a big difference. Info I put on my boards is: Make, Model, Serial Number, H.P. @ RPM, Date manufactured, Country of Origin, Owner/restorers name and my website address (people seem to be impressed that you have a website for engines and is a great address. (If the engine was given to me I also include "Donated by Joe Soap" - which has the added advantage of letting people know that I'm totally available for freebies ) If I want to say more I make another board (for example to describe the uses of the engine). I also have cards printed with my website address and contact details and hand these out freely at shows - if one in a hundred finds me another old engine then it's been worthwhile, Of course I've also ended up with a few stuffed lawnmower engines in the process but that's the chance you take and you accept them graciously - you gotta kiss a lot of frogs before you find a prince. O.K. that's my "tuppence ha'penny" worth. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From obise at moscow.com Tue Sep 9 17:14:14 2008 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:14:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine finishes In-Reply-To: <20080909235031.208B44C8C9F@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <200809100014.m8A0ETSJ066705@mail-gw.fsr.net> You may get a variety of answers, but I prefer to keep the coating very thin; so, I put a glug of boiled linseed oil into a half-dozen, or more, glugs of paint thinner and wipe on the mixture with a lint-free rag. It may take a week to dry. This treatment does wonders for faded paint. I've seen it transform many pieces of rusty and faded "barn fresh" iron into handsome displays, sometimes bringing out pinstriping or lettering that was previously unnoticeable. Of course, the dirt and crud should be removed, first. Best regards, Orrin Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 4:51 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] Engine finishes Hi, ,what is the recipe for coating of boiled linseed oil and[?] on unpainted and rusty cast iron engines? Is it a mixture of Kero and linseed oil or something else? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Sep 9 17:26:51 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 20:26:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine finishes References: <20080909235031.208B44C8C9F@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <9892C9D7CDB24D869E0EB604C3925067@tommydk7hxjr4h> Jimmy, What I use is a mixture of 50% boiled linseed oil and 50% mineral spirits. If you want to tint it a bit (say you have an old hunk of iron that has some original paint and you want to bring it out) you can add a little oil based paint, maybe a couple teaspoons per quart of linseed oil/mineral spirits mixture. I've added a little deep red paint to the mixture to bring out the original red paint on an old hunk. Its worked well for me but to each his own. I remember some discussion on Harry's site a few years ago where I mentioned the mixture I use. One gent responded "don't ever do that... I'd never put that on one of my engines!". I responded back that's fine, he never had to use it. But, on my old iron I'll use what I want. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 7:50 PM Subject: [SEL] Engine finishes > Hi, ,what is the recipe for coating of boiled linseed oil and[?] on > unpainted and rusty cast iron engines? Is it a mixture of Kero and linseed > oil or something else? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM From avanti_64 at juno.com Tue Sep 9 18:08:59 2008 From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:08:59 GMT Subject: [SEL] Engine finishes Message-ID: <20080909.210859.24537.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Ditto for me, it does a nice job of bringing the original finish back to life. I'll have to remember the 2 tablespoons of oil base paint. I haven't tried that yet, some of the engines could have probably used a little extra color. Joe Kelley ____________________________________________________________ Take a break - you deserve it. Click here to find a great vacation. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iifjEtSzbEolSj7XZosivE0FDfsASrgju7PlQbc3UGFpUNKex/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Sep 9 18:11:57 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:11:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Youtube clips Message-ID: I have put a few clips of engines at the Rusty Iron Rally on Youtube. There is a tank cooled Lauson at: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ygPwpPhMhpQ The Columbus at: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=qw9OAKhqy1Q 2hp Hornsby at: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=pNPb-FPqadM The Cundall at: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=u22Du9QIPes and finally my Stover YC at: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqnu9JVpI8o Enjoy! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Sep 9 18:27:32 2008 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] A Peek into the Past... In-Reply-To: <0K6W009ATQH2BW59@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <896135.89450.qm@web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Over the Labor Day Weekend, The City of Batavia, IL celebrated its 175th Birthday. As part of it, Several local collectors brought out engines, equipment and other items that were made in Batavia. I should have my photos up tomorrow, but for now and some good laughs (it needed a few more edits and retakes...and maybe a better host)...see the video at the link below. http://blip.tv/file/1236275 Steve From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 9 18:45:19 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:45:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! In-Reply-To: References: <04923FE0-3BFA-4DC3-8F58-1814AAD69E7A@alltel.net> <99654CE9-7C54-4EA4-8256-F959B8C65A38@alltel.net> Message-ID: <724720DC-31CF-4170-88C0-900B7E5680B6@alltel.net> Hi Jim, I feel sorry for you--in both cases it's your loss! Dave PS, Are you sure you don't know Little Lisa? She talks often of a Jim K. On Sep 9, 2008, at 7:03 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > No I don't know Arnie nor have I met Little Lisa. > Jim > > ________________________________ > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of David > Rotigel > Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 6:50 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! > > > > Hi Jim, > Do you know Arnie? When he is not collecting old iron (or > eating) he > is an engineer at what used to be Westinghouse--it's now owned by some > Jap company. In any event, the last time Arnie was in Korea (I think > it was during a visit to Dear Leader) he tried dog. He said that it > sure as hell didn't taste like chicken! > Dave > PS, Arnie's trip to Korea did NOT have anything to do with vice grips. > Dear Leader would not tell me why Arnie was there! > PPS, Have you ever met Little Lisa? > > > On Sep 9, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: > >> I'll concede to you on the vice grips.I wasn't thinking in broad >> enough terms.I don't accept that rent control has anything to do >> with engines.I think what made me question the direction in which >> this thread was going was the posts about "dog eaters". >> Jim >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of David >> Rotigel >> Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 4:14 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! >> >> >> >> Hi Jim, >> I use vice grips on my engines! Hell, I even have a Chinese engine >> (that Twin gave me) so as soon as the Chinese produce the tool I can >> use it on that engine. >> Dave >> PS, Kerry, when will you guys in OZ start producing V-G's? The >> Austral >> needs some fine tuning. >> PPS, Paul, Does the rent control agency, also, determine the rental >> price of engines? >> PPPS, See Jim, even Paul's post was on topic! >> >> >> >> On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Kangas, James G. wrote: >> >>> This whole "vice-grip"? thread has nothing to do with engines. >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Elden >>> DuRand >>> Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 3:55 PM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul: >>> >>> I dunno what this has to do with engines but what do you expect from >>> The People's Republic of San Francisco? :-) >>> >>> Take care - Elden >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >>>> Behalf Of P. Johns >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:18 AM >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) >>>> >>>> >>>> " If he wants to get out of the rental business >>>> before that contract expires, then he SHOULD have >>>> to pay the >>>> tenants. " >>>> The 'contract' doesn't expire and rent increases >>>> are limited and so are the >>>> reasons for evictions. Rent control is touted as >>>> helping the poor; but there >>>> is no tenant's income limit so it helps lots of >>>> rich people too. My friend >>>> Bill isn't allowed to move back into his own >>>> building as just one situation >>>> that I consider unfair. (Google SF Rent control >>>> for more info) >>>> >>>> Paul in SanFran >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or >> entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please >> do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to >> others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, >> and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The >> Timken Corporation _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From camaned at bigpond.com Tue Sep 9 18:35:45 2008 From: camaned at bigpond.com (Cam & Edwina) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:35:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally In-Reply-To: <3C3F315A5A854009A9B188CB2464F92D@PML> References: <3C3F315A5A854009A9B188CB2464F92D@PML> Message-ID: <7F4AA80C810B41A29BBE80C648E3307C@CamPC> Excellent Patrick, I don't know how you find the time to take the Photo's and run you engines too. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:24 PM Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally >I am starting to recover from a big weekend at the Rusty Iron Rally. Ron & > Liz travelled up with me in the Navara with the YC Stover in tow. We had > over 6 hours of driving in torrential rain we arrived and thought of > heading > home again without unloading. During dinner that night the rain cleared > and > the weather was stunning all weekend. > Even though it was well tarped with Stover ended up with about a litre of > water in the fuel tank! Once the water was drained the engine was running > OK > but would mysteriously stop. I found that the adjusting screw had stipped > on > the Webster so I fixes it with a couple of lock nuts. The engine was still > not running right but Edd quickly diagnosed the problem as a slightly weak > spring on the Webster trip. This was quickly fixed and the engine gave no > further trouble. > A great weekend was had by all even though numbers were down due to the > terrible rain through NSW and Qld, but none fell at Macksville the whole > weekend! > I have put some pictures up at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri08/index.htm > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Sep 9 18:44:18 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:44:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Youtube clips References: Message-ID: <003701c912e6$bd5bae10$726f4b47@mikecomp> Those are excellent!!! What a great selection of of old iron. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:11 PM Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Youtube clips >I have put a few clips of engines at the Rusty Iron Rally on Youtube. > There is a tank cooled Lauson at: > http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ygPwpPhMhpQ > > The Columbus at: > http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=qw9OAKhqy1Q > > 2hp Hornsby at: > http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=pNPb-FPqadM > > The Cundall at: > http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=u22Du9QIPes > > and finally my Stover YC at: > http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqnu9JVpI8o > > Enjoy! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Sep 9 18:48:47 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:48:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine finishes References: <20080909235031.208B44C8C9F@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <9892C9D7CDB24D869E0EB604C3925067@tommydk7hxjr4h> Message-ID: <003c01c912e7$5e02d8c0$726f4b47@mikecomp> Hmmmmmm, that sounds an awful lot like the "Royster family secret recipe"! I can see once again my bad brother Steve sold out the family for a few pints of "Kentucky's finest". At least it looks good on "my future inheritance" in the mountains of Asheville. It looked great on the International in Portland this year Judge! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine finishes > Jimmy, > What I use is a mixture of 50% boiled linseed oil and 50% mineral > spirits. If you want to tint it a bit (say you have an old hunk of iron > that has some original paint and you want to bring it out) you can add a > little oil based paint, maybe a couple teaspoons per quart of linseed > oil/mineral spirits mixture. I've added a little deep red paint to the > mixture to bring out the original red paint on an old hunk. Its worked > well > for me but to each his own. I remember some discussion on Harry's site a > few years ago where I mentioned the mixture I use. One gent responded > "don't ever do that... I'd never put that on one of my engines!". I > responded back that's fine, he never had to use it. But, on my old iron > I'll use what I want. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim O'Hagan" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 7:50 PM > Subject: [SEL] Engine finishes > > >> Hi, ,what is the recipe for coating of boiled linseed oil and[?] on >> unpainted and rusty cast iron engines? Is it a mixture of Kero and >> linseed >> oil or something else? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. 415 892 0236 >> >> >> >> Jim O'Hagan >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 > 10:47 AM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Sep 9 19:14:45 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 22:14:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A Peek into the Past... References: <896135.89450.qm@web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a401c912ea$fe535090$726f4b47@mikecomp> Steve, a great video, thanks for sharing it! MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:27 PM Subject: [SEL] A Peek into the Past... > Over the Labor Day Weekend, The City of Batavia, IL celebrated its 175th > Birthday. As part of it, Several local collectors brought out engines, > equipment and other items that were made in Batavia. > > I should have my photos up tomorrow, but for now and some good laughs (it > needed a few more edits and retakes...and maybe a better host)...see the > video at the link below. > > http://blip.tv/file/1236275 > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kimmell at verizon.net Wed Sep 10 19:38:01 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:38:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0809082218q3cf0a469o19bad4be6bad6242@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> <00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <679F5F61-5709-4434-80C1-787920AB370D@rustyiron.com> <8d3c36fb0809051110x25b747dftc2376072a6dffc4@mail.gmail.com> <0K6W009ATQH2BW59@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <8d3c36fb0809082218q3cf0a469o19bad4be6bad6242@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0K6Y009DCKM1CK59@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Well with those ridiculous stipulations, one wonders why he would have wanted to be in the rental business there in the first place. I certainly wouldn't want to rent out property in a place with all those ridiculous rules. My uncle lived in SanFran for a while... I guess I shouldn't expect anything there to make sense. Around here renters have a lease agreement with the landlord (usually 1 year) and if either the landlord or the renter want to get out of the contract there's usually some clause written in with an early termination fee. On top of the fee, the landlord also keeps your initial deposit (usually the same amount as one or two months rent). -Tony At 12:18 AM 9/9/2008, you wrote: >The 'contract' doesn't expire and rent increases are limited and so are the >reasons for evictions. Rent control is touted as helping the poor; but there >is no tenant's income limit so it helps lots of rich people too. My friend >Bill isn't allowed to move back into his own building as just one situation >that I consider unfair. (Google SF Rent control for more info) From MaytagTwin at aol.com Tue Sep 9 20:12:47 2008 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 23:12:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! Message-ID: In a message dated 9/9/2008 6:16:02 PM Central Daylight Time, james.kangas at timken.com writes: No I don't know Arnie nor have I met Little Lisa. Jim Then I suppose you aren't conversant with cow prolapse or goat sacrifice to insure safe flight? Ron **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From ddotto at cableone.net Tue Sep 9 20:30:30 2008 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:30:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c912f5$942e9ca0$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> Ok I have been on this list since the very beginning I remember the goat sacrifice well but I think I must have been exercising the delete key when the cow prolapse thread was going strong. Maybe I should have read more of it. It was probably a hoot. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho USA > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of MaytagTwin at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:13 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! > > > In a message dated 9/9/2008 6:16:02 PM Central Daylight Time, > james.kangas at timken.com writes: > > No I don't know Arnie nor have I met Little Lisa. > Jim > > > > Then I suppose you aren't conversant with cow prolapse or goat sacrifice > to > insure safe flight? > Ron > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion > blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3430 (20080910) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com From frappi at wcoil.com Tue Sep 9 20:52:04 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 23:52:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! In-Reply-To: <000001c912f5$942e9ca0$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> References: <000001c912f5$942e9ca0$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080909235044.03056950@pop3.wcoil.com> I thinks it was back in the Indiana.edu days. It was funny for a while. Mark At 11:30 PM 9/9/08, you wrote: >Ok I have been on this list since the very beginning I remember the goat >sacrifice well but I think I must have been exercising the delete key when >the cow prolapse thread was going strong. Maybe I should have read more of >it. It was probably a hoot. > >Dave > > >Dave Otto >Boise, Idaho >USA > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- > > bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of MaytagTwin at aol.com > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:13 PM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! > > > > > > In a message dated 9/9/2008 6:16:02 PM Central Daylight Time, > > james.kangas at timken.com writes: > > > > No I don't know Arnie nor have I met Little Lisa. > > Jim > > > > > > > > Then I suppose you aren't conversant with cow prolapse or goat sacrifice > > to > > insure safe flight? > > Ron > > > > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion > > blog, > > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > > signature database 3430 (20080910) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Tue Sep 9 21:11:06 2008 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:11:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! References: <04923FE0-3BFA-4DC3-8F58-1814AAD69E7A@alltel.net> <99654CE9-7C54-4EA4-8256-F959B8C65A38@alltel.net> <724720DC-31CF-4170-88C0-900B7E5680B6@alltel.net> Message-ID: <44BE7A51EBA746D28CE6D59542C95A74@your46e94owx6a> I had a tough time with LL, the therapy cost a fortune, got so expensive I had to send her home. She told me about some really weird things that some college professor did. If any of you would care to help me out a little maybe I can make it back to Portland when I have recovered financially. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! Hi Jim, I feel sorry for you--in both cases it's your loss! Dave PS, Are you sure you don't know Little Lisa? She talks often of a Jim K. From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Sep 9 22:06:42 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 22:06:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! Message-ID: <20080909.220643.2176.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Wasn't there the dead puppy druids also? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 23:12:47 EDT MaytagTwin at aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 9/9/2008 6:16:02 PM Central Daylight Time, > james.kangas at timken.com writes: > > No I don't know Arnie nor have I met Little Lisa. > Jim > > > > Then I suppose you aren't conversant with cow prolapse or goat > sacrifice to > insure safe flight? > Ron ____________________________________________________________ Fast Computer Training. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mAUDbA7FkTGfeqMDbvBDz9825pPRl4FChUE5MPOvqsiLcP7/ From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Sep 9 22:12:23 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 22:12:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! Message-ID: <20080909.221223.2176.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Jim. I was really surprised that Dave brought up LL. I thought he wouldn't want to mention her after the spectacle at the Democratic convention. That was a real scene when she jumped up on the stage and insisted Hillary be the VP. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:11:06 -0700 "Jim Kirkes" writes: > I had a tough time with LL, the therapy cost a fortune, got > so expensive I had to send her home. > She told me about some really weird things that some college > professor did. If any of you > would care to help me out a little maybe I can make it back > to Portland when I have recovered > financially. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, California U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! > > > Hi Jim, I feel sorry for you--in both cases it's your loss! > Dave > PS, Are you sure you don't know Little Lisa? She talks often > of a Jim K. ____________________________________________________________ Embrace e-commerce and sell your products or services online. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nqoit8xgitCpbRsC2N5FWm0Jr69kzlFqxNW2tF7Wj5l3pwZ/ From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 9 22:45:15 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:45:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! In-Reply-To: <44BE7A51EBA746D28CE6D59542C95A74@your46e94owx6a> References: <04923FE0-3BFA-4DC3-8F58-1814AAD69E7A@alltel.net> <99654CE9-7C54-4EA4-8256-F959B8C65A38@alltel.net> <724720DC-31CF-4170-88C0-900B7E5680B6@alltel.net> <44BE7A51EBA746D28CE6D59542C95A74@your46e94owx6a> Message-ID: <6FE60DCA-53DC-477B-8B1C-D03195E7AEE9@alltel.net> Hi Jim, Little Lisa has been here with my wife and me for 5 or 6 years now. When she first started to talk (it took several years) she would always babble on about some Jim K guy and what this man had done to her. ALWAYS sessions like this ended up with her tearing all her clothes off, lying down spread eagle on her bed and sobbing for hours! (I would always cover her with a blanket after 20 minuted, or so, just to be sure she wasn't getting cold.) After several years with us this memory of "Jim K" seemed to pass. (The "Daddy Ron" thing has never gone away completely--but that's to be expected. She was much younger when she was with Daddy Ron!) I have converted a portion of our attic to a bedroom for LL. (With a full bath!) She seems pleased with the arrangement--being here with us and all. Jennie, of course, is a Department Chair at IUP now and that job requires a good bit of travel. LL really enjoys the time in the downstairs when Jennie is in London, or Ireland, or some other place out of the country for a week or two! Little Lisa has a steady job now (about time at the age of 28 I must say!) Her shift starts at about 10:00 pm and she is home by 6:00 each morning. She is making real good money for a young lady of her age with no real education of which to speak. Some nights she brings home $1,000-$1500.00--and it's all cash--read that TAX FREE! She has sure turned whatever assets she acquired while living with Daddy Ron on Poverty Ridge into a good business! Her partner (a guy named Jamboo-- or something like that) gets 60% of her "take" so whatever she does must be of great value to her clients! LL says that Jamboo is the real business man. He has three girls working for him every night--except Wed. when everyone takes a day off. Those young ladies must really be fast at typing, or whatever their skills are--LL sure brings home a lot of money! I charge LL 50% of what she brings home as rent on the attic bedroom/ bathroom that I provide for her. She seems happy with this arrangement and it sure as hell keeps me in engine and show travel money! I intended to bring LL to Baraboo and Portland with me this year. However, she had a new boss that was fighting with her old boss over here, so I thought it would be best if she stayed at home to show both bosses what her talent was and EXACTLY how good she was at what she does! She sure must be VERY good at what it is she does because she now has a new boss and the old boss can't be found! Dave PS, Perhaps next year I can bring Little Lisa to Portland with me! On Sep 10, 2008, at 12:11 AM, Jim Kirkes wrote: > I had a tough time with LL, the therapy cost a fortune, got > so expensive I had to send her home. > She told me about some really weird things that some college > professor did. If any of you > would care to help me out a little maybe I can make it back > to Portland when I have recovered > financially. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, California U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! > > > Hi Jim, I feel sorry for you--in both cases it's your loss! > Dave > PS, Are you sure you don't know Little Lisa? She talks often > of a Jim K. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 9 23:00:32 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:00:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--Now wandering a bit, but still ON TOPIC! In-Reply-To: <20080909.221223.2176.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20080909.221223.2176.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <8D419C4E-4933-4B4F-B6A1-8747E36AC351@alltel.net> LL was NOT at the DEMOCRAT Convention! I assure you that I had her securely bound with duct tape (the same tape that we has used several nights before.) I can also assure you that there was NO WAY she could have worked her way out of that tape! (At least she sure as hell couldn't the night before!) I also locked her bedroom door, so it was impossible that she was at the DC! Dave PS, She was a supporter of Monica's Ex-boyfriend's Wife for President, however! On Sep 10, 2008, at 1:12 AM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi Jim. > I was really surprised that Dave brought up LL. I thought he wouldn't > want to mention her after the spectacle at the Democratic convention. > That was a real scene when she jumped up on the stage and insisted > Hillary be the VP. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:11:06 -0700 "Jim Kirkes" > > writes: >> I had a tough time with LL, the therapy cost a fortune, got >> so expensive I had to send her home. >> She told me about some really weird things that some college >> professor did. If any of you >> would care to help me out a little maybe I can make it back >> to Portland when I have recovered >> financially. >> >> Jim >> >> Jim and Diane Kirkes >> Hemet, California U.S.A. >> jd.kirkes at verizon.net >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Rotigel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! >> >> >> Hi Jim, I feel sorry for you--in both cases it's your loss! >> Dave >> PS, Are you sure you don't know Little Lisa? She talks often >> of a Jim K. > ____________________________________________________________ > Embrace e-commerce and sell your products or services online. Click > now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nqoit8xgitCpbRsC2N5FWm0Jr69kzlFqxNW2tF7Wj5l3pwZ/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 9 23:06:14 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:06:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! In-Reply-To: <44BE7A51EBA746D28CE6D59542C95A74@your46e94owx6a> References: <04923FE0-3BFA-4DC3-8F58-1814AAD69E7A@alltel.net> <99654CE9-7C54-4EA4-8256-F959B8C65A38@alltel.net> <724720DC-31CF-4170-88C0-900B7E5680B6@alltel.net> <44BE7A51EBA746D28CE6D59542C95A74@your46e94owx6a> Message-ID: <5A70C738-EB5B-44B6-94F0-09A911F82E31@alltel.net> Hi Jim, Little Lisa has been here with my wife and me for 5 or 6 years now. When she first started to talk (it took several years) she would always babble on about some Jim K guy and what this man had done to her. ALWAYS sessions like this ended up with her tearing all her clothes off, lying down spread eagle on her bed and sobbing for hours! (I would always cover her with a blanket after 20 minuted, or so, just to be sure she wasn't getting cold.) After several years with us this memory of "Jim K" seemed to pass. (The "Daddy Ron" thing has never gone away completely--but that's to be expected. She was much younger when she was with Daddy Ron!) I have converted a portion of our attic to a bedroom for LL. (With a full bath!) She seems pleased with the arrangement--being here with us and all. Jennie, of course, is a Department Chair at IUP now and that job requires a good bit of travel. LL really enjoys the time in the downstairs when Jennie is in London, or Ireland, or some other place out of the country for a week or two! Little Lisa has a steady job now (about time at the age of 28 I must say!) Her shift starts at about 10:00 pm and she is home by 6:00 each morning. She is making real good money for a young lady of her age with no real education of which to speak. Some nights she brings home $1,000-$1500.00--and it's all cash--read that TAX FREE! She has sure turned whatever assets she acquired while living with Daddy Ron on Poverty Ridge into a good business! Her partner (a guy named Jamboo-- or something like that) gets 60% of her "take" so whatever she does must be of great value to her clients! LL says that Jamboo is the real business man. He has three girls working for him every night--except Wed. when everyone takes a day off. Those young ladies must really be fast at typing, or whatever their skills are--LL sure brings home a lot of money! I charge LL 50% of what she brings home as rent on the attic bedroom/ bathroom that I provide for her. She seems happy with this arrangement and it sure as hell keeps me in engine and show travel money! I intended to bring LL to Baraboo and Portland with me this year. However, she had a new boss that was fighting with her old boss over here, so I thought it would be best if she stayed at home to show both bosses what her talent was and EXACTLY how good she was at what she does! She sure must be VERY good at what it is she does because she now has a new boss and the old boss can't be found! Dave PS, Perhaps next year I can bring Little Lisa to Portland with me! On Sep 10, 2008, at 12:11 AM, Jim Kirkes wrote: > I had a tough time with LL, the therapy cost a fortune, got > so expensive I had to send her home. > She told me about some really weird things that some college > professor did. If any of you > would care to help me out a little maybe I can make it back > to Portland when I have recovered > financially. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, California U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! > > > Hi Jim, I feel sorry for you--in both cases it's your loss! > Dave > PS, Are you sure you don't know Little Lisa? She talks often > of a Jim K. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 04:00:48 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:00:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! In-Reply-To: <44BE7A51EBA746D28CE6D59542C95A74@your46e94owx6a> References: <04923FE0-3BFA-4DC3-8F58-1814AAD69E7A@alltel.net> <99654CE9-7C54-4EA4-8256-F959B8C65A38@alltel.net> <724720DC-31CF-4170-88C0-900B7E5680B6@alltel.net> <44BE7A51EBA746D28CE6D59542C95A74@your46e94owx6a> Message-ID: Just hitch hike Jim. That's how Little Lisa got around. On second thought, you'd probably have a harder time getting picked up than she did, she is better looking. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:11:06 -0700 > From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! > If any of you > would care to help me out a little maybe I can make it back > to Portland when I have recovered > financially. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, California U.S.A. > jd.kirkes at verizon.net _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 04:55:34 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:55:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Forward Planning - Nuenen 2009 Message-ID: <6f6025160809100455n3d4aee0nb0f094f9540c50ed@mail.gmail.com> Next year's show is on the 30th May and 1st June 2009 at: Schoutse Vennen 15 5674 TK Nuenen The name of the new venue is: Gulbergen We will definitely be going again, the three Onan W3S gennies and the Petter PU8 searchlight genny will come with us, plus I think Martin Perman is hitching a ride with us and he will have his Lister A along. Jerry Evans was thinking about a possible visit, and I don't know if Arnie can wangle a conference or two so he will be there also. The new site is about a mile or so directly south of the old place and just as easy to get to. Google maps will find that address for you. The Hook of Holland ferry port is about 2-1/2 hours drive with a trailer, less with a solo car, Schipol airport isn't that far and the German border is very close to the south. This an event run by engine nuts, 'for' engine nuts, and we hope to have the same beautiful weather that we had this year. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 04:59:57 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:59:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Onan W3S gaskets and magneto spares Message-ID: <6f6025160809100459h4ec936f8u8493caa8deecc4e6@mail.gmail.com> We have ordered a batch of head gaskets for our Onan gennies, they will be ready in about 3-4 weeks. If anyone needs one, we have spares available. Post worldwide if required. We need some magneto points, capacitors and shoulder bushes for the magneto. I have emailed a couple of places including Bill Lopoulos, but if anyone has anything around, even a complete magneto, hive me a shout please. Magneto is a Fairbanks-Morse FM-J Type FE2B690 E = Electrically Screened 2 = No of Cylinders B = flange mounting 69 = D W Onan & Sons build 0 = Year of manufacture (we think) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 05:23:18 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:23:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Forward Planning - Nuenen 2009 In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809100455n3d4aee0nb0f094f9540c50ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160809100455n3d4aee0nb0f094f9540c50ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160809100523y35a486c9k5c7c4f46cee90de5@mail.gmail.com> On 10/09/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > Next year's show is on the 30th May and 1st June 2009 at: 'Scuse the typo: 31st May and 1st June. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Sep 10 07:00:24 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:00:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A Peek into the Past... In-Reply-To: <896135.89450.qm@web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Steve: Excellent video! I especially liked the mis-takes at the end. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Steve Barr > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 08:28 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] A Peek into the Past... > > > Over the Labor Day Weekend, The City of Batavia, > IL celebrated its 175th Birthday. As part of it, > Several local collectors brought out engines, > equipment and other items that were made in Batavia. > > I should have my photos up tomorrow, but for now > and some good laughs (it needed a few more edits > and retakes...and maybe a better host)...see the > video at the link below. > > http://blip.tv/file/1236275 > > Steve From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 07:23:46 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] A Peek into the Past... In-Reply-To: <896135.89450.qm@web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <248790.46883.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks, Steve. Nice Job !!!! I really enjoyed that. Just yesterday I was wondering if you would respond to the "engine finishes" topic. 8>)) I don't remember that mix you told me about. Alan in Michigan --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Steve Barr wrote: > From: Steve Barr > Subject: [SEL] A Peek into the Past... > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 9:27 PM > Over the Labor Day Weekend, The City of Batavia, IL > celebrated its 175th Birthday. As part of it, Several > local collectors brought out engines, equipment and other > items that were made in Batavia. > > I should have my photos up tomorrow, but for now and some > good laughs (it needed a few more edits and retakes...and > maybe a better host)...see the video at the link below. > http://blip.tv/file/1236275 ? > Steve From enginepaul at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 07:26:39 2008 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:26:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <0K6Y009DCKM1CK59@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <20080904173821.0821B57E77@gw1.nlenet.net> <00c101c90ed1$c6a0caf0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> <679F5F61-5709-4434-80C1-787920AB370D@rustyiron.com> <8d3c36fb0809051110x25b747dftc2376072a6dffc4@mail.gmail.com> <0K6W009ATQH2BW59@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <8d3c36fb0809082218q3cf0a469o19bad4be6bad6242@mail.gmail.com> <0K6Y009DCKM1CK59@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0809100726s6a25ad5ek31350d97172ba815@mail.gmail.com> "Well with those ridiculous stipulations, one wonders why he would have wanted to be in the rental business there in the first place." Manufactures look at their businesses the same way. Investors do the same; if there is more money elsewhere, just go. I sold my rentals in SanFran and went elsewhere. The price dropped after I bought, but that's just business and politics merging. Keep your old tools, they may be worth more than your engines some day. Enough OT for me. Paul in SanFran From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 10 08:13:22 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:13:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1221059602.48c7e4129ea00@webmail.city-net.com> Maytags? Quoting peter ogborne : > I am waiting for that tabboo subject in the US to raise > it's head again! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kangas, James G." > This whole "vice-grip"? thread has nothing to do with engines. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 10 08:26:40 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:26:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: <1221059602.48c7e4129ea00@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000a01c91359$a0861a50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> sootikins > Maytags? > >> I am waiting for that tabboo subject in the US to raise >> it's head again! >> From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 10 08:35:49 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:35:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! In-Reply-To: <20080909.220643.2176.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20080909.220643.2176.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <1221060949.48c7e95554a96@webmail.city-net.com> Neo-Druid Dead Puppy Cult, please... Se ya, Arnie Quoting rdhaskell at juno.com: > Wasn't there the dead puppy druids also? > > Ron Haskell From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Sep 10 08:55:57 2008 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:55:57 EDT Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: In a message dated 9/10/2008 10:36:25 AM Central Daylight Time, kerogas at sbcglobal.net writes: sootikins > Maytags? Chuck, you continue to amaze. I look to your linguistic abilities with reverent awe. Do you suppose it was a sootikin I found in the intake of one of my B&S WMB's? I had thought it might be part of a mouse nest but now am not sure. I can see how it would get there, but don't really like thinking about it all that much. Ron **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 09:02:01 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:02:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2009 Message-ID: I just booked our room at the Holiday Inn in Portland, Indiana from Tuesday Aug.25 thru Saturday Aug.29 for the Portland 2009 show. The Super 8 had one smoking room left. Holiday Inn books 50 weeks in advance which is right now. If you plan on going to the Portland show in 2009 you better reserve your room now. Just an FYI..... Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Sep 10 12:22:43 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:22:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines Message-ID: Why were so many of the early gas engines' speed governed by hit n' miss rather then regulating the fuel/air volume? Why do these same early engines have such a poor power to weight ratio? Jim kangas ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Sep 10 13:13:58 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:13:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines Message-ID: <20080910.131358.1076.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:22:43 -0400 "Kangas, James G." writes: > Why were so many of the early gas engines' speed governed by hit n' > miss rather then regulating the fuel/air volume? Someone's idea of the best way to go. If you did not require a constant speed or have a constant load, it was much more fuel efficient. > Why do these same early engines have such a poor power to weight > ratio? > Jim kangas They were made to last. The thought of making it just barely strong enough to do the job for a year or two was not a goal. Also metallurgy was not high tech. Those are the short answers. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Save on airline tickets - click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nMQmATcdUvFfTkUAWtGokmIPrA81E2eWQNszG0rcmTaZLet/ From obise at moscow.com Wed Sep 10 15:11:50 2008 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:11:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200809102212.m8AMC6LK048365@mail-gw.fsr.net> My guesses are embedded within the original text. Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kangas, James G. Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:23 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines Why were so many of the early gas engines' speed governed by hit n' miss rather then regulating the fuel/air volume? * Perhaps hit and miss were simpler to design. Right off the top of my head, besides throttle mechanisms it seems as though the early throttle governed engines required air valves, such as those found on F-M and IHC engines and Schebler carbs. Then came venturi carbs and the gradual scaling down of engines. * In my experience hit and miss run cooler and the hoppers don't boil dry nearly as fast as throttle-governed. Why do these same early engines have such a poor power to weight ratio? Jim kangas * I suspect that precedent played a large role in the mind-set. First came slow RPM steam engines with large bores. The next step in the evolution of engines was to make them internal combustion. Of course, slow RPM demands the use of large flywheels, something that doesn't help the power-to-weight ratio one bit. What inventor would have thought of a building small bore, high RPM engine? It certainly wouldn't have occurred to me. * The same thing happened with traction engines. Steamers were monsters. So were the first ones of the IC-engine powered variety. The eventual development of small gas tractors was somewhat revolutionary. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Sep 10 15:21:40 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:21:40 +0800 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: <1221059602.48c7e4129ea00@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <2AE25D2C1226432E8563A4F2E41E0E56@your9e74d7efa7> No Arnie,not Maytags, as a matter of fact I would very much like to own a Maytag.The tabboo subject was one that I would rather not venture into again as it ceratainly raised a few hackles! Best left alone and in any case it was a home grown issue[US] and not for me to comment on. Things are fairly peaceful on the list at the moment! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > Maytags? > > Quoting peter ogborne : > >> I am waiting for that tabboo subject in the US to raise >> it's head again! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kangas, James G." >> This whole "vice-grip"? thread has nothing to do with engines. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Sep 10 15:23:00 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:23:00 +0800 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: <1221059602.48c7e4129ea00@webmail.city-net.com> <000a01c91359$a0861a50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <1062C3507B9D4EEB81956F39BC93DFF6@your9e74d7efa7> You will have to translate sootikins into English ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > > sootikins > >> Maytags? > >> >>> I am waiting for that tabboo subject in the US to raise >>> it's head again! >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Wed Sep 10 15:42:17 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:42:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A Peek into the Past... In-Reply-To: <896135.89450.qm@web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <0K6W009ATQH2BW59@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <896135.89450.qm@web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080911084141.016d1050@ncable.com.au> Steve that was pretty neat. thanks for posting. Russell At 11:27 AM 10/09/2008, you wrote: >Over the Labor Day Weekend, The City of Batavia, IL celebrated its >175th Birthday. As part of it, Several local collectors brought >out engines, equipment and other items that were made in Batavia. > >I should have my photos up tomorrow, but for now and some good >laughs (it needed a few more edits and retakes...and maybe a better >host)...see the video at the link below. > >http://blip.tv/file/1236275 > >Steve >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Sep 10 15:44:42 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:44:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engine clubs in Louisiana Message-ID: <001701c91396$d2def8e0$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi all I have a new guy on the R&V Register who is looking for a club near Baton Rouge, Louisiana or within reasonable driving Distance. Maybe even Mississippi. He is new the hobby and I want to keep him keen. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 10 15:58:07 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:58:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines References: <20080910.131358.1076.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <004e01c91398$b166a260$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > Someone's idea of the best way to go. If you did not require a constant > speed or have a constant load, it was much more fuel efficient. > >>>>>>> Cadillac won some awards for that idea huh ? >> Why do these same early engines have such a poor power to weight >> ratio? >> Jim kangas > They were made to last. The thought of making it just barely strong > enough to do the job for a year or two was not a goal. Also metallurgy > was not high tech. Those are the short answers. If you want to improve the ratio , you have to spin it a lot faster , and it is much cheaper tolerance and materials wise to build a slow speed engine . A good smith could cast the iron , do his own machining , build a reliable product and turn a profit . A bunch of them did , everybody wanted a piece . As power to weight increases so does the level of complication . And there were people who did it a long time ago .This one went into production in 1917 and made 450hp @ 2000 rpm @ 800lbs wt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU0X461IPCw&feature=related Certainly there is an older and faster one . Ferro had a V8 a year before that , and producing it put Scripps Booth into recievership . And that is STILL the short answer . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 10 16:00:13 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:00:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: <1221059602.48c7e4129ea00@webmail.city-net.com><000a01c91359$a0861a50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <1062C3507B9D4EEB81956F39BC93DFF6@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <005901c91398$fc209400$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I assure you , it is entirely English in origin . > You will have to translate sootikins into English ! >> >> sootikins >> >>> Maytags? >> >>> >>>> I am waiting for that tabboo subject in the US to raise >>>> it's head again!>>>>>>>>> From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Sep 10 16:28:28 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:28:28 +0800 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) References: <1221059602.48c7e4129ea00@webmail.city-net.com><000a01c91359$a0861a50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b><1062C3507B9D4EEB81956F39BC93DFF6@your9e74d7efa7> <005901c91398$fc209400$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <43274E859F7C4F8EB3E67BC9AAA011F4@your9e74d7efa7> Chuck...it may be English in origin, most words we use are ,It may be that it is a term that is used in the US . My delving into dictionarys refers to soot ,a black powder that adhers to the insides of chimneys.We all know that ,if there is another meaning it is unknown to me.Perhaps it is some mushy term used for a child.Anyway if it is offensive lets know off list .always ready to learn ,could save embarrasment as there is a US navy ship in the harbour celebrating the ''Great White Fleet'' of 1909 ,they visited our little town . Get out your Gob hats ,the Yanks are in town tonight .I warned some of the local girls ,could be a Hot Time in Town tonight! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) >I assure you , it is entirely English in origin . > > > >> You will have to translate sootikins into English ! > >>> >>> sootikins >>> >>>> Maytags? >>> >>>> >>>>> I am waiting for that tabboo subject in the US to raise >>>>> it's head again!>>>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Wed Sep 10 17:46:37 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:46:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <43274E859F7C4F8EB3E67BC9AAA011F4@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: A nickname for a dirty little kid? Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of peter > ogborne > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 06:28 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > ...............................snip........................... > >>> sootikins From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Sep 10 17:00:30 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:00:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines References: <200809102212.m8AMC6LK048365@mail-gw.fsr.net> Message-ID: "* In my experience hit and miss run cooler and the hoppers don't boil dry nearly as fast as throttle-governed. " I didn't think of that and it would made scense if the engine only fired once in a while. If the engine is working under load does it still miss or do they fire constantly? Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Orrin B Iseminger Sent: Wed 9/10/2008 6:11 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines My guesses are embedded within the original text. Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kangas, James G. Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:23 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines Why were so many of the early gas engines' speed governed by hit n' miss rather then regulating the fuel/air volume? * Perhaps hit and miss were simpler to design. Right off the top of my head, besides throttle mechanisms it seems as though the early throttle governed engines required air valves, such as those found on F-M and IHC engines and Schebler carbs. Then came venturi carbs and the gradual scaling down of engines. * In my experience hit and miss run cooler and the hoppers don't boil dry nearly as fast as throttle-governed. Why do these same early engines have such a poor power to weight ratio? Jim kangas * I suspect that precedent played a large role in the mind-set. First came slow RPM steam engines with large bores. The next step in the evolution of engines was to make them internal combustion. Of course, slow RPM demands the use of large flywheels, something that doesn't help the power-to-weight ratio one bit. What inventor would have thought of a building small bore, high RPM engine? It certainly wouldn't have occurred to me. * The same thing happened with traction engines. Steamers were monsters. So were the first ones of the IC-engine powered variety. The eventual development of small gas tractors was somewhat revolutionary. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Sep 10 17:05:42 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:05:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines References: <20080910.131358.1076.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> <004e01c91398$b166a260$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: I wasn't familiar with that engine.Thanks for the tip.I know that much improved engines started to appear in the WW I period. Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Chuck Balyeat Sent: Wed 9/10/2008 6:58 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines > Someone's idea of the best way to go. If you did not require a constant > speed or have a constant load, it was much more fuel efficient. > >>>>>>> Cadillac won some awards for that idea huh ? >> Why do these same early engines have such a poor power to weight >> ratio? >> Jim kangas > They were made to last. The thought of making it just barely strong > enough to do the job for a year or two was not a goal. Also metallurgy > was not high tech. Those are the short answers. If you want to improve the ratio , you have to spin it a lot faster , and it is much cheaper tolerance and materials wise to build a slow speed engine . A good smith could cast the iron , do his own machining , build a reliable product and turn a profit . A bunch of them did , everybody wanted a piece . As power to weight increases so does the level of complication . And there were people who did it a long time ago .This one went into production in 1917 and made 450hp @ 2000 rpm @ 800lbs wt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU0X461IPCw&feature=related Certainly there is an older and faster one . Ferro had a V8 a year before that , and producing it put Scripps Booth into recievership . And that is STILL the short answer . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Wed Sep 10 17:15:11 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:15:11 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Sootikins? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C8630F.7010009@optusnet.com.au> > >>> sootikins Sounds very Enid Blyton to me - a little blackkitten? JW? From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Sep 10 17:31:08 2008 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:31:08 EDT Subject: [SEL] Sootikins? Message-ID: In a message dated 9/10/2008 7:25:52 PM Central Daylight Time, nadejack at optusnet.com.au writes: >>> sootikins Sounds very Enid Blyton to me - a little blackkitten? JW? Here's what I found: _The Sootikin Thread_ (http://www.jomiller.com/personal/sootikin.html) Ron **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Sep 10 18:11:45 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:11:45 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Sootikins? References: <48C8630F.7010009@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <90A84859710547349ADFD8A43FCAA2DE@your9e74d7efa7> Thats what I thought Jack! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:15 AM Subject: [SEL] Sootikins? > > >>>> sootikins > Sounds very Enid Blyton to me - a little blackkitten? > JW? > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Sep 10 18:17:00 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:17:00 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Sootikins? References: Message-ID: So it is English in origin ....the old Friday night bath ,or lack of. They tell me it is a myth about the English and their bath habits .Must say on my visits to the UK never saw a bath tub only a sort of a shower arrangement .....now in Wales it was a different matter ,biggest bath tub I have ever seen . Lets get a way from this subject! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sootikins? > > In a message dated 9/10/2008 7:25:52 PM Central Daylight Time, > nadejack at optusnet.com.au writes: > >>>> sootikins > Sounds very Enid Blyton to me - a little blackkitten? > JW? > > > Here's what I found: _The Sootikin Thread_ > (http://www.jomiller.com/personal/sootikin.html) > Ron > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion > blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 10 18:34:53 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:34:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <2AE25D2C1226432E8563A4F2E41E0E56@your9e74d7efa7> References: <1221059602.48c7e4129ea00@webmail.city-net.com> <2AE25D2C1226432E8563A4F2E41E0E56@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <1221096893.48c875bdb0f6b@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Pete, Ya know you can get help for that? See ya, Arnie Quoting peter ogborne : > No Arnie,not Maytags, as a matter of fact I would very much like to own a > Maytag. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 19:02:58 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <551446.9319.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, If you load a hit n miss engine until it is hitting every time you are working it too hard. Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Kangas, James G. wrote: From: Kangas, James G. Subject: Re: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 8:00 PM "* In my experience hit and miss run cooler and the hoppers don't boil dry nearly as fast as throttle-governed. " I didn't think of that and it would made scense if the engine only fired once in a while. If the engine is working under load does it still miss or do they fire constantly? Jim From james.kangas at timken.com Wed Sep 10 19:14:57 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:14:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines References: <551446.9319.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I didn't know that.I thought it would be like a modern governed engine in that it would work at full output under load and drop back to idle or in the case of hit n' miss, start missing when there was little or no load. Jim ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Alan Sent: Wed 9/10/2008 10:02 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines Hi Jim, If you load a hit n miss engine until it is hitting every time you are working it too hard. Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Kangas, James G. wrote: From: Kangas, James G. Subject: Re: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 8:00 PM "* In my experience hit and miss run cooler and the hoppers don't boil dry nearly as fast as throttle-governed. " I didn't think of that and it would made scense if the engine only fired once in a while. If the engine is working under load does it still miss or do they fire constantly? Jim _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 10 19:37:44 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:37:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sootikins? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1221100664.48c8847819cae@webmail.city-net.com> ROFLMAO!! Damn Ron, that's right up there with the bovine uterine prolapse thread!! 8-))) Methinks "sootikins" has just entered SEL lore forever. See ya, Arnie Quoting MaytagTwin at aol.com: > Here's what I found: _The Sootikin Thread_ > (http://www.jomiller.com/personal/sootikin.html) From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 11 06:18:52 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:18:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sootikins? References: <1221100664.48c8847819cae@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <001801c91410$eff4cd40$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> It's merely simple word association , that's all . You say Maytags , and I think sootikins . Chuck From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 11 06:21:12 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:21:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines References: <551446.9319.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003601c91411$43536c30$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > > If you load a hit n miss engine until it is hitting every time you are > working it too hard. > > Alan in Michigan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And when the Monitor VJ stalls and stops , the icecream is ready . Chuck From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 11 06:52:22 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:52:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines References: <621781.71045.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a301c91415$9e0ed250$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Well you better not take the handle off the mixer then . >I love that one Chuck!!!!! > That is what I am doing to a Mayatg twin. 8>)) > > Alan >> And when the Monitor VJ stalls and stops , the icecream is >> ready . >> >> Chuck From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 07:03:00 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Engine clubs in Louisiana In-Reply-To: <001701c91396$d2def8e0$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <384960.21499.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Peter, He is very close to The Laurel Valley Heritage Festivals in Thibodaux,LA Their Fall festival is October 18. Phone contact is Paul Leslie (985) 447-5216 Email is jpl at charter.net There is one going on RIGHT NOW that is a little farther away in Purvis, Mississippi. This is Dixiland Old Engine Club Engine Show. It looks like a club that doesn't have it's own land because the show is at Industrial park off HWY 11. And they have another show in April in another city. The April show is at the fairgrounds in Lauel, Mississippi. I hope this info helps. Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Peter Lowe wrote: > From: Peter Lowe > Subject: [SEL] Engine clubs in Louisiana > To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine.org" > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 6:44 PM > Hi all > I have a new guy on the R&V Register who is looking for > a club near Baton > Rouge, Louisiana or within reasonable driving Distance. > Maybe even > Mississippi. > He is new the hobby and I want to keep him keen. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Sep 11 08:05:48 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:05:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sootikins? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ron: I'm sorry I asked! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > MaytagTwin at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 07:31 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Sootikins? > > > > In a message dated 9/10/2008 7:25:52 PM Central > Daylight Time, > nadejack at optusnet.com.au writes: > > >>> sootikins > Sounds very Enid Blyton to me - a little blackkitten? > JW? > > > Here's what I found: _The Sootikin Thread_ > (http://www.jomiller.com/personal/sootikin.html) > Ron From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Sep 11 11:13:57 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:13:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Show pics are up Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080911201259.01f1ea18@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Our show pics are up at last. They're here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/vow08/index.htm Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu Sep 11 12:04:31 2008 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:04:31 EDT Subject: [SEL] Sootikins? Message-ID: In a message dated 9/11/2008 8:26:10 AM Central Daylight Time, kerogas at sbcglobal.net writes: It's merely simple word association , that's all . You say Maytags , and I think sootikins . Chuck _______________________________________________ I'll do my best to not make that association. Thanks. Ron **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 11 15:14:08 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:14:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines In-Reply-To: <551446.9319.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <551446.9319.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <326DA2E5-3389-4A5A-8C4A-8F90986CEBFA@alltel.net> Hi Jim and Alan, While it's almost true that a hit and miss governed engine should not hit "every time", it's only ALMOST true. Several things must be considered. 1.) The great majority of hit and miss engines are 4 cycle. Four cycle engines "hit" only every other time. 2.) Hit and miss engines that were used in various applications would "hit" every other time while under load for a SHORT time. (Consider, please, a buzz saw rig, or a lift [as when elevating a boat up to dry dock, or a load of bricks to the top of a structure being built.]) In such cases the engine would hit" every other time for, say, 5-10 seconds and then return to "hitting" only once in a while. 3.) On other (most???) applications Alan is correct--if the engine is "hitting" every other time over (most of the time) you should get a bigger engine. Dave PS, Yes, I know about 2 cycle engines! The MAYTAG single is the most common, but no one has ever seen one running, so that does not count! PPS, Ask any real engine collector "Do you own any MAYTAG MOTORS." If he/she/it responds "No" you can rest assured that he/she/it is a LIER and CAN NOT be trusted! PPPS, How was that last PS for being politically correct? -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Sep 10, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Alan wrote: > Hi Jim, > > If you load a hit n miss engine until it is hitting every time you > are working it too hard. > > Alan in Michigan > > > --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Kangas, James G. wrote: > From: Kangas, James G. > Subject: Re: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 8:00 PM > > "* In my experience hit and miss run cooler and the hoppers don't > boil dry nearly as fast as throttle-governed. " > > I didn't think of that and it would made scense if the engine only > fired once in a while. If the engine is working under load does it > still miss or do they fire constantly? Jim From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 16:14:14 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines In-Reply-To: <326DA2E5-3389-4A5A-8C4A-8F90986CEBFA@alltel.net> Message-ID: <766271.67218.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dave, "Hitting every time" means,,,, Hitting on every compression stroke. Only engine guys that don't know how to file points and clean them have problems making a Maytag engine run. OR,,, They DO know HOW to make them run,,,, They just HATE that loud smoking single so much that they claim they never run. 8>))))) I took that stupid Shotgun Maytag to Buckley this year and folks loved it. Well,,, Everyone except me. I sure hope at least one of my three Maytag washing machines will accept a twin engine. I refuse to put a loud, smokey, single on a washer and take it to a show. Alan --- On Thu, 9/11/08, David Rotigel wrote: > From: David Rotigel > Subject: Re: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 6:14 PM > Hi Jim and Alan, > While it's almost true that a hit and miss governed > engine should not > hit "every time", it's only ALMOST true. > Several things must be > considered. > 1.) The great majority of hit and miss engines are 4 > cycle. Four > cycle engines "hit" only every other time. > 2.) Hit and miss engines that were used in various > applications > would "hit" every other time while under load for > a SHORT time. > (Consider, please, a buzz saw rig, or a lift [as when > elevating a boat up to dry dock, or a load of bricks to > the top of > a structure being built.]) In such cases the engine would > hit" every > other time for, say, 5-10 seconds and then return to > "hitting" > only once in a while. > 3.) On other (most???) applications Alan is correct--if > the engine > is "hitting" every other time over (most of the > time) you should get a > bigger engine. > Dave > PS, Yes, I know about 2 cycle engines! The MAYTAG single is > the most > common, but no one has ever seen one running, so that does > not count! > PPS, Ask any real engine collector "Do you own any > MAYTAG MOTORS." If > he/she/it responds "No" you can rest assured that > he/she/it is a LIER > and CAN NOT be trusted! > PPPS, How was that last PS for being politically correct? > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Sep 10, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Alan wrote: > > > Hi Jim, > > > > If you load a hit n miss engine until it is hitting > every time you > > are working it too hard. > > > > Alan in Michigan > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Kangas, James G. > wrote: > > From: Kangas, James G. > > Subject: Re: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss > engines > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 8:00 PM > > > > "* In my experience hit and miss run cooler and > the hoppers don't > > boil dry nearly as fast as throttle-governed. " > > > > I didn't think of that and it would made scense if > the engine only > > fired once in a while. If the engine is working under > load does it > > still miss or do they fire constantly? Jim > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 11 16:34:15 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:34:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines In-Reply-To: <766271.67218.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <766271.67218.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sep 11, 2008, at 7:14 PM, Alan wrote: > Hi Dave, > "Hitting every time" means,,,, Hitting on every compression stroke. > Alan OK, So "hitting every time" means hitting every other time. Are you a DEMOCRAT? Dave From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 17:16:21 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <833002.98063.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I didn't say that. Can you read???? You even imagining me saying an engine should hit on an exhaust stroke makes me wonder what kind of funny water you are drinking. 8>)) Don't get within range of any of my guns and call me THAT!!!! 8>)) Alan --- On Thu, 9/11/08, David Rotigel wrote: > From: David Rotigel > Subject: Re: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 7:34 PM > On Sep 11, 2008, at 7:14 PM, Alan wrote: > > > Hi Dave, > > "Hitting every time" means,,,, Hitting on > every compression stroke. > > Alan > > OK, So "hitting every time" means hitting every > other time. Are you a > DEMOCRAT? > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 11 17:43:51 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:43:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] two questions about hit n miss engines In-Reply-To: <833002.98063.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <833002.98063.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9FD60115-91F6-49EF-AD39-EC77DE31C85A@alltel.net> > Don't get within range of any of my guns and call me THAT!!!! 8>)) > Alan Shoot straight my friend--for you will only have ONE SHOT! Dave From george at irontrader.com Thu Sep 11 19:15:17 2008 From: george at irontrader.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:15:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Forward Planning - Nuenen 2009 In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809100455n3d4aee0nb0f094f9540c50ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160809100455n3d4aee0nb0f094f9540c50ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002101c9147d$669ca820$33d5f860$@com> Peter, I'm planning on being there! Not sure if I'll do a tourist tour after the show or try to put on another guided engine tour like we did in 2006. In either case, I plan on being at Nuenen!!!!! George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:56 AM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; Stationary-Engine Subject: [SEL] Forward Planning - Nuenen 2009 Next year's show is on the 30th May and 1st June 2009 at: Schoutse Vennen 15 5674 TK Nuenen The name of the new venue is: Gulbergen We will definitely be going again, the three Onan W3S gennies and the Petter PU8 searchlight genny will come with us, plus I think Martin Perman is hitching a ride with us and he will have his Lister A along. Jerry Evans was thinking about a possible visit, and I don't know if Arnie can wangle a conference or two so he will be there also. The new site is about a mile or so directly south of the old place and just as easy to get to. Google maps will find that address for you. The Hook of Holland ferry port is about 2-1/2 hours drive with a trailer, less with a solo car, Schipol airport isn't that far and the German border is very close to the south. This an event run by engine nuts, 'for' engine nuts, and we hope to have the same beautiful weather that we had this year. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fanmanj4 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 20:10:20 2008 From: fanmanj4 at yahoo.com (Jay Bernard) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Engine clubs in Louisiana Message-ID: <2543.39020.qm@web55901.mail.re3.yahoo.com> The local club in SE louisiana is?"The Bayou old time engine and power assoc." A great group of guys, of which i am a part of.? I'm also the voulenteer at the Laurel valley village that keeps the old tractors and engines running.?? ?Jay M Bernard Thibodaux, LA ----- Original Message ---- From: Alan To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:03:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine clubs in Louisiana Hi Peter, He is very close to The Laurel Valley Heritage Festivals in Thibodaux,LA Their Fall festival is October 18. Phone contact is Paul Leslie? (985) 447-5216 Email is jpl at charter.net There is one going on RIGHT NOW that is a little farther away in Purvis, Mississippi. This is Dixiland Old Engine Club Engine Show. It looks like a club that doesn't have it's own land because the show is at Industrial park off HWY 11.? And they have another show in April in another city. The April show is at the fairgrounds in Lauel, Mississippi. I hope this info helps. Alan in Michigan --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Peter Lowe wrote: > From: Peter Lowe > Subject: [SEL] Engine clubs in Louisiana > To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine.org" > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 6:44 PM > Hi all > I have a new guy on the R&V Register who is looking for > a club near Baton > Rouge, Louisiana or within reasonable driving Distance. > Maybe even > Mississippi. > He is new the hobby and I want to keep him keen. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 23:49:07 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:49:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Forward Planning - Nuenen 2009 In-Reply-To: <002101c9147d$669ca820$33d5f860$@com> References: <6f6025160809100455n3d4aee0nb0f094f9540c50ed@mail.gmail.com> <002101c9147d$669ca820$33d5f860$@com> Message-ID: <6f6025160809112349v206674c3pda8ffce6e89d0957@mail.gmail.com> On 12/09/2008, George Best wrote: > Peter, > > I'm planning on being there! Not sure if I'll do a tourist tour after the > show or try to put on another guided engine tour like we did in 2006. > In either case, I plan on being at Nuenen!!!!! > > George > We have booked and paid for the ferry for the van and trailer etc, we'll be there on the Friday afternoon, setting up on Saturday, same as this year. Four of us going, Rita, Philip and me, plus one of our friends, Martin Perman who will be bringing his own engine. Philip will be going in his own car and taking another engine or two, we will be bringing the Onan and Petter PU8 gennies. Might have room for the Petter AV1 genny as well. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 01:02:40 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:02:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Buckley Show pictures Message-ID: <6f6025160809120102r48729a6cne135d2763baa727d@mail.gmail.com> We have finally finished editing the Portland stuff, now we are onto the Buckley pictures. The first menu page will be up on the websites by 09.15GMT, with a lot of steam stuff in there. Note that this menu page is NOT yet connected to the main website menus, that will be done later. Subsequent menu pages will be added and they WILL be linked at the bottom of this first menu page. http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Buckley08/Buckley08Menu1.htm or on the US server at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Buckley08/Buckley08Menu1.htm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Sep 12 05:16:03 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:16:03 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Show pics are up In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20080911201259.01f1ea18@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080911201259.01f1ea18@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Great pictures Jerry. Loved the ones of the little girl and gorilla! Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:13:57 +0200> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: jerrye at databak.co.za> Subject: [SEL] Show pics are up> > Hi Guys,> Our show pics are up at last.> > They're here:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/vow08/index.htm> > Keep the revs up (or down)> Jerry Evans> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:> > > _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Sep 12 09:48:20 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:48:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules 4 cylinder wiring Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I picked up this four cylinder Hercules last year: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/MVC-242F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/MVC-243F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/MVC-244F.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/MVC-245F.JPG I'm looking at getting it up and running. I'm not sure how I need to go about finishing up the wiring for it. Here is how it is wired right now. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/wiring.jpg What do I need to do to set it up correctly? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Fri Sep 12 10:10:49 2008 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:10:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pictures Message-ID: Jerry, Peter, and all who take the time and trouble to make the pictures available to the rest of us - thank you all, from a grateful pilgrim. You make the shows come alive for all who can't be there. That Avery puts the other steam traction to shame - twin cylinder, geared steering... Makes the others look so crude. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From jdohagan at comcast.net Fri Sep 12 12:15:19 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:15:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine finishs Message-ID: <20080912191518.474E165B465@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hey ,thanks everyone for the recipes for the boiled linseed oil coatings. Cya, Jimmy Jim O'Hagan From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 12 14:27:13 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:27:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hercules 4 cylinder wiring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F2DAB1A-6C9F-4757-880F-4574B4025E55@alltel.net> Hi Luke, Isn't this the same engine that Glenn has in his Hercules Express? If so, he should have pictures that would help you. Dave On Sep 12, 2008, at 12:48 PM, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I picked up this four cylinder Hercules last year: > > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/MVC-242F.JPG > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/MVC-243F.JPG > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/MVC-244F.JPG > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/MVC-245F.JPG > > > > I'm looking at getting it up and running. I'm not sure how I need to > go about finishing up the wiring for it. Here is how it is wired > right now. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/hercules/wiring.jpg > > > What do I need to do to set it up correctly? > > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Fri Sep 12 18:47:48 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:47:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A source for rings Message-ID: <20080913014748.D6AF64C8C46@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi, I may need a source for 7?x1/2 ? rings. The suppliers on Harry?s and GEM mag.stop at 6 or 6 ??. My old supplier in Washington passed away a few years ago and I don?t know if any one took over the little business. I?d like to find something off the shelf rather than custom .Any one have a good source? Thanks for any help,Jimmy Jim O'Hagan From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 12 20:38:47 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:38:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A source for rings In-Reply-To: <20080913014748.D6AF64C8C46@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20080913014748.D6AF64C8C46@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <1221277127.48cb35c7f0fcb@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Jim, Get in touch with Craig Prucha at cprucha at antique-engine.com. I think he can help you. http://www.antique-engine.com/ See ya, Arnie Quoting Jim O'Hagan : > Hi, I may need a source for 7?x1/2 ? rings. The suppliers on Harry?s and GEM > mag.stop at 6 or 6 ??. My old supplier in Washington passed away a few > years ago and I don?t know if any one took over the little business. I?d > like to find something off the shelf rather than custom .Any one have a good > source? Thanks for any help,Jimmy From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Sep 12 21:38:12 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:38:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A source for rings In-Reply-To: <20080913014748.D6AF64C8C46@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20080913014748.D6AF64C8C46@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080913003053.02f91620@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Jim, Otto Gas Engine works will have them. Contact Dave Reed at otto at dol.net otto at dol.net or phone: 410-398-7340 ---------- or snail mail: Otto Gas Engine Works 2167 Blue Ball Rd Elkton MD 21921-3330 E Maytag Mark At 09:47 PM 9/12/08, you wrote: >Hi, I may need a source for 7?x1/2 ? rings. The suppliers on Harry?s and GEM >mag.stop at 6 or 6 ??. My old supplier in Washington passed away a few >years ago and I don?t know if any one took over the little business. I?d >like to find something off the shelf rather than custom .Any one have a good >source? Thanks for any help,Jimmy > > > >Jim O'Hagan > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 12 21:58:54 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:58:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Vice Now LL (Bout the same!) In-Reply-To: <20080909.221223.2176.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20080909.221223.2176.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <132A9B6C-9CDF-4F24-9FB9-C8EF2E55D3FA@alltel.net> Hi Ron, Those early years with Daddy Ron left their mark on LL. His teacher union affiliation has left a "black mark" on her soul! Jennie and I have tried to educate her properly re: self help and individual effort. But, all she says is "The government owes me........" and "Government and the DEMOCRATS will take care of me." Several weeks ago I discovered her voting registration card and sent it in stating that she had moved to FL and would be voting there from now on. We got a letter back indicating that the Greensburg records had been corrected and that she had been taken off the county voting list. I did this not out of malace or hatred for the DEMOCRAT party, but simply to protect LL (and others in our nation) against the dark side of the force. You must understand that (although Daddy Ron is LL's biological father) I love here as if she was my own. As long as I'm looking at the green side of the grass, I'l never allow LL to harm herself by voting DEMOCRAT! As Ann Coulter has pointed out it was the right to vote given to women that is at the base of the current movement toward communism in our great nation! The 19th was a VERY poor move on the part of those currently in control. Having said that it is interesting to note that Sarah Palin has "taken off" in the past two weeks since the Republican Convention. BHO is now down by 4 points and it seems that the only way he can gain back the lead is to take Bill's advice to BHO to BOINK an Intern. Bill has offered M. Alldunb and/or J. Reno--neither of which the CHOSEN ONE has decided upon as yet. Hillary has not been placed on the table as yet--so when that happens we will need to follow it closely! As for LL at the convention, I have forgiven her for her outburst. She was simply overcome with emotion and could stand it no longer. What's a poor girl to do when, with all her heart and soul she supports Monica's ex-boyfriend's WIFE for President? Any red blooded woman would do the same thing, if in LL's shoes! I'm very proud of LL as a women! In any event, I've taken LL's shoes away for 60 days. She is to stay in the house and not even answer the door nor the phone. Additionally, LL has signed an absentee voting form and has voted straight Republican for the first time in her life. I'm so proud of the little girl that I may allow her to come out of her bedroom for a brief period on Tuesday! Dave On Sep 10, 2008, at 1:12 AM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi Jim. > I was really surprised that Dave brought up LL. I thought he wouldn't > want to mention her after the spectacle at the Democratic convention. > That was a real scene when she jumped up on the stage and insisted > Hillary be the VP. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:11:06 -0700 "Jim Kirkes" > > writes: >> I had a tough time with LL, the therapy cost a fortune, got >> so expensive I had to send her home. >> She told me about some really weird things that some college >> professor did. If any of you >> would care to help me out a little maybe I can make it back >> to Portland when I have recovered >> financially. >> >> Jim >> >> Jim and Diane Kirkes >> Hemet, California U.S.A. >> jd.kirkes at verizon.net >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Rotigel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Vice Grips--ON TOPIC! >> >> >> Hi Jim, I feel sorry for you--in both cases it's your loss! >> Dave >> PS, Are you sure you don't know Little Lisa? She talks often >> of a Jim K. > ____________________________________________________________ > Embrace e-commerce and sell your products or services online. Click > now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nqoit8xgitCpbRsC2N5FWm0Jr69kzlFqxNW2tF7Wj5l3pwZ/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Sep 12 22:33:44 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:33:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A source for rings In-Reply-To: <20080913014748.D6AF64C8C46@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20080913014748.D6AF64C8C46@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <7703BD66-4884-4065-8AC0-47EABC39E9C5@rustyiron.com> On Sep 12, 2008, at 6:47 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Hi, I may need a source for 7?x1/2 ? rings. The suppliers on Harry?s > and GEM > mag.stop at 6 or 6 ??. My old supplier in Washington passed away a > few > years ago and I don?t know if any one took over the little business. > I?d > like to find something off the shelf rather than custom .Any one > have a good > source? Thanks for any help,Jimmy http://www.dol.net/~dave.reed/otto.html From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 13 00:04:13 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:04:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives Message-ID: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi all Just found by accident and probably you Aussie collectors already know about it, a web site called Picture Australia which is linked the NSW State Library and others. I did a search on Moffat Virtue and found this page: http://www.pictureaustralia.org/apps/pictureaustralia?term1=moffat+virtue&loc1=&attribute1=any+field&op6=and&mode=search One of the photos is this one, it is a large photo but take the time to load it if on Dialup (200Kb) and read carefully the sign on the engine in the cage. Balanced on four glasses only and not bolted down and running. I have one of these V2 2hp MV engines which were only offered for a few years before the V3 series MV engines in 2 1/4hp & 3hp took over. My little 2hp also runs like a clock, so does the V3 3hp. http://libapp.sl.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/spydus/RECOPT/PM/FULL1/810/35259,1?http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/hood/313/31389h.jpg Also searches on other models below take you to the Victorian State Library, The War Memorial site, South Australian Library etc: Baltic Simplex Engine Ronaldson Tippett Engine Crossley Engine Sundial Engine (heaps of photos) Rosebery Engine Buzacott Engine Lister Engine (1918 war in Palestine) IHC engine and you can find the rest, the spelling and search is exact so be careful how you search, try differences, singualr and plural for engine/s Peter, Oz From ilifa at internode.on.net Sat Sep 13 00:55:35 2008 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:55:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives In-Reply-To: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: Picture Australia is a great site. I have often recommended it. The sad part is that the Melbourne photos are all low resolution. This could be for faster download speeds, but I think they want you to buy their expensive prints. The last 5 x 7 ones I bought were $25 each. Some interesting things in the M-V photo include the pure Kelly & Lewis on the lower left. I would think that the 2hp was also made by them, though I do not have a K-L branded photo of one. The engine on the lower right has matching oval shapes to the fuel tank, cylinder block and water tank. Peter, have you found any M-V engine history. I have done some engine research, but found little on M-V. I don't know if they ever made their own engines. Eric From page at velocitynet.com.au Sat Sep 13 01:20:41 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:20:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001f01c91579$9e2b1720$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hi Eric I have been researching MV for a number of years and you are right there is little information about this company. As for their engines this not clear as they they rebadged quite a number of different engines over the years, however there are three engines which I have never seen badged as anything other than MV and they are the "round" model of 1 1/2 hp (MV1), the oval 2 hp "oval" model (MV2) and the "square" model of both 2 1/2 hp and 3 hp (MV3). One chap has written in the TOMM magazine that he saw MV3's made in a factory in Northern Queensland. Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Eric Schulz Sent: Saturday, 13 September 2008 5:56 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Engines at State Archives Picture Australia is a great site. I have often recommended it. The sad part is that the Melbourne photos are all low resolution. This could be for faster download speeds, but I think they want you to buy their expensive prints. The last 5 x 7 ones I bought were $25 each. Some interesting things in the M-V photo include the pure Kelly & Lewis on the lower left. I would think that the 2hp was also made by them, though I do not have a K-L branded photo of one. The engine on the lower right has matching oval shapes to the fuel tank, cylinder block and water tank. Peter, have you found any M-V engine history. I have done some engine research, but found little on M-V. I don't know if they ever made their own engines. Eric _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1663 - Release Date: 9/09/2008 7:04 PM From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Sep 13 02:50:10 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:50:10 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <003f01c91586$1df6bc00$12b40556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 8:04 AM Subject: Engines at State Archives Snip > Balanced on four glasses only and not bolted down and running. I have one of > these V2 2hp MV engines which were only offered for a few years before the > V3 series MV engines in 2 1/4hp & 3hp took over. My little 2hp also runs > like a clock, so does the V3 3hp. > http://libapp.sl.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/spydus/RECOPT/PM/FULL1/810/35259,1?http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/hood/313/31389h.jpg Big Snip > Peter, Oz Hi Peter, I think the picture you quote is at http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/hood/313/31389h.jpg I cannot get anything from the first part of your site address. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 13 03:45:12 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:45:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> <003f01c91586$1df6bc00$12b40556@intrepid> Message-ID: <001a01c9158d$cd066450$0200a8c0@PETER> > Snip >> Balanced on four glasses only and not bolted down and running. I have one >> of >> these V2 2hp MV engines which were only offered for a few years before >> the >> V3 series MV engines in 2 1/4hp & 3hp took over. My little 2hp also runs >> like a clock, so does the V3 3hp. >> http://libapp.sl.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/spydus/RECOPT/PM/FULL1/810/35259,1?http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/hood/313/31389h.jpg > > Big Snip >> Peter, Oz > > > Hi Peter, I think the picture you quote is at > http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/hood/313/31389h.jpg > I cannot get anything from the first part of your site address. > > > Dave Croft OK Dave, I must have double pasted two links together or something, thanks mate. peter From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Sat Sep 13 04:00:39 2008 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:00:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] M/V engines References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <008e01c9158f$f585c0e0$0201010a@JBCooper> Hi Eric, I have just spoken to an old employee of M/V who lives near here and he tells me that they definitely made their own water cooled engines at a factory in Epsom Road Rosebery in Sydney.The castings were made by a firm in Mascot and all the machining was done in their own factory. I may be able to get more detail from him when I next see him. Regards, John Cooper, Bega N.S.W. Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Schulz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engines at State Archives > > Picture Australia is a great site. I have often recommended it. The > sad part is that the Melbourne photos are all low resolution. This > could be for faster download speeds, but I think they want you to buy > their expensive prints. The last 5 x 7 ones I bought were $25 each. > Some interesting things in the M-V photo include the pure Kelly & > Lewis on the lower left. I would think that the 2hp was also made by > them, though I do not have a K-L branded photo of one. The engine on > the lower right has matching oval shapes to the fuel tank, cylinder > block and water tank. > Peter, have you found any M-V engine history. I have done some engine > research, but found little on M-V. I don't know if they ever made > their own engines. > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1669 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 2:18 PM From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 13 04:31:50 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:31:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] M/V engines References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> <008e01c9158f$f585c0e0$0201010a@JBCooper> Message-ID: <000b01c91594$509ab8b0$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi John This is the sort of guy you should visit for a few hours and write or record everything he tells you, this information will be lost forever if we don't. Here is a factory photo: http://www2.photosau.com/CosSQL/scripts/ExtSearch.asp?SearchTerm=031984 Regards Peter > Hi Eric, > I have just spoken to an old employee of M/V who lives near here and he > tells me that they definitely made their own water cooled engines at a > factory in Epsom Road Rosebery in Sydney.The castings were made by a firm > in > Mascot and all the machining was done in their own factory. > I may be able to get more detail from him when I next see him. > Regards, > John Cooper, > Bega N.S.W. Australia. >> >> Picture Australia is a great site. I have often recommended it. The >> sad part is that the Melbourne photos are all low resolution. This >> could be for faster download speeds, but I think they want you to buy >> their expensive prints. The last 5 x 7 ones I bought were $25 each. >> Some interesting things in the M-V photo include the pure Kelly & >> Lewis on the lower left. I would think that the 2hp was also made by >> them, though I do not have a K-L branded photo of one. The engine on >> the lower right has matching oval shapes to the fuel tank, cylinder >> block and water tank. >> Peter, have you found any M-V engine history. I have done some engine >> research, but found little on M-V. I don't know if they ever made >> their own engines. >> >> Eric From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 13 05:09:40 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:09:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER><003f01c91586$1df6bc00$12b40556@intrepid> <001a01c9158d$cd066450$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <000f01c91599$99e1a010$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi all Here are some links for those who are interested in archival history: http://www.pictureaustralia.org/apps/pictureaustralia?term1=stationary+engine&action=PASearch&attribute1=any+field&mode=search I guess also the beauty of these old original photos is that we can see what the various parts look like that are usually missing from our engine when we find them. Mufflers, water tanks, fuel tanks and the items they drove. Look at the length of the drive belt on this separator!! http://mview.museum.vic.gov.au/paimages/mm/190/19078.htm You could spend month here and get lost: http://libapp.sl.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/spydus/RECOPT/PM/FULL1/1306/388349,1?http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/bcp/002/00297h.jpg Peter, Oz From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Sep 13 06:28:49 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 08:28:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] J.B. Castagnos, where are you Message-ID: And anyone else in the recent storms' path? Let us know you're all right. Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From jbcast at charter.net Sat Sep 13 08:12:11 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 8:12:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] J.B. Castagnos, where are you In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080913111211.ZISXK.463834.root@mp05> Thanks for checking Elden, everyone in the old engine group is OK. We got power at the shop and homeafter 9 days, both are on the main line, many of the farther out customers will be weeks away. The utility workers from acroos the nation are doing a great job, things are a mess. They had to evacuate for Ike, even though it's hitting Texas, things got a little rough here. They are living in a tent city at the old WalMart parking lot, one of the tents went down. I had a tree through the roof of one of my buildings at the shop, house is fine, a tree took out the fence. Our municipal water comes from Bayou Lafourche, my house is on the bature. It was dammed around 1900 to prevent flooding, water is now pumped in from the Mississippi. The pumps were shut down for the hurricane and there were a lot of trees blown into the byou. The diesel pumps were started but water was slow flowing and the vegetation in the water turned it dark. Yesterday tap water looked like tea and orders were given to boil before use, it's geting beter looking today. Southeast Louisiana is experiencing flooding from the storm surge, two of the guys with us at Portland, Eddie Leblanc and Buzz Bradley will likely be affected. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From pwaugh at embarqmail.com Sat Sep 13 08:21:09 2008 From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:21:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] J.B. Castagnos, where are you References: <20080913111211.ZISXK.463834.root@mp05> Message-ID: <004501c915b4$59cfffb0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Thanks JB Paul - IN ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] J.B. Castagnos, where are you > Thanks for checking Elden, everyone in the old engine group is OK. We got > power at the shop and homeafter 9 days, both are on the main line, many of > the farther out customers will be weeks away. The utility workers from > acroos the nation are doing a great job, things are a mess. They had to > evacuate for Ike, even though it's hitting Texas, things got a little > rough here. They are living in a tent city at the old WalMart parking lot, > one of the tents went down. I had a tree through the roof of one of my > buildings at the shop, house is fine, a tree took out the fence. Our > municipal water comes from Bayou Lafourche, my house is on the bature. It > was dammed around 1900 to prevent flooding, water is now pumped in from > the Mississippi. The pumps were shut down for the hurricane and there were > a lot of trees blown into the byou. The diesel pumps were started but > water was slow flowing and the vegetation in the water turned it dark. > Yesterday tap water looked like tea and orders we! > re given to boil before use, it's geting beter looking today. Southeast > Louisiana is experiencing flooding from the storm surge, two of the guys > with us at Portland, Eddie Leblanc and Buzz Bradley will likely be > affected. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Sep 13 10:15:22 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 12:15:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] J.B. Castagnos, where are you In-Reply-To: <004501c915b4$59cfffb0$6501a8c0@PaulNew> Message-ID: JB: Glad you swamp rats did okay. Y'all is tough! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Paul Waugh > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:21 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] J.B. Castagnos, where are you > > > Thanks JB > > Paul - IN > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:12 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] J.B. Castagnos, where are you > > > > Thanks for checking Elden, everyone in the old > engine group is OK. .......................snip.................................. > > J.B. Castagnos > > Belle Rose, LA From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Sep 13 12:07:55 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:07:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Finding a crankshaft Message-ID: Gang: Moving right along with the preliminaries for the small Hvid engine build, I am looking for a crankshaft with about a 4" stroke. I don't want to build one like the one for "The Homebrew Engine" because I have my doubts it would hold up under the compression load of a 'sorta'-Diesel. I've gone a-surfin' and have found several candidates that I could cut a throw out of and which would make a nice crankshaft. The ones that kinda light my fire are for the 4-bangers of Chrysler/Dodge. One of them is for an engine with 148 C.I. displacement (2429cc) which has a stroke of 3.975". The other is for a 153 C.I. (2502cc) displacement with a stroke of 4.094". Now, what I need to know is how to identify these in a pile of scrap engines. What year and model of car (van?) did these go into? I ass-u-me that these engines are relatively recent due to the published metric displacement figures. My plan is to cut the crankshaft right at the #2 rod journal/cheek face then turn the cheek as an extension of the #2 main bearing journal for mounting a flywheel. I can use the stock bearing inserts and maybe a piece of a connecting rod. Now, I am ass-u-ming that these are 5 bearing engines. That will give me a nice, strong crankshaft for the Hvid. Is anybody up to date on these engines and what they came in? Thanks! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 13 12:29:27 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:29:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] J.B. Castagnos, where are you References: <20080913111211.ZISXK.463834.root@mp05> Message-ID: <009901c915d7$09c38410$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> It has yet to rain a drop and sunny at 78368 . 200 miles west of the epicenter behind Corpus , One couldn't tell anything happened . Not even a distant boomer http://www.stormpulse.com/ Mouse over the cities From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 13 16:49:39 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 16:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Pictures Avery at Buckley In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <120607.3695.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Bruce, Here is a bit of the story on that sweet Avery. http://www.buckleyoldengineclub.org/Spotlight/1911-AVERY-40-120-H.P.- Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Bruce Younger wrote: > From: Bruce Younger > Subject: [SEL] Pictures > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 1:10 PM > Jerry, Peter, and all who take the time and trouble to make > the pictures available to the rest of us - thank you all, > from a grateful pilgrim. You make the shows come alive for > all who can't be there. > > That Avery puts the other steam traction to shame - twin > cylinder, geared steering... Makes the others look so > crude. > > Bruce Younger > 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 > Madison, SD > sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and > those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, > never care for anything else thereafter." > E. Hemingway From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Sat Sep 13 16:51:15 2008 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:51:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER><003f01c91586$1df6bc00$12b40556@intrepid><001a01c9158d$cd066450$0200a8c0@PETER> <000f01c91599$99e1a010$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <001d01c915fb$9c7297a0$0201010a@JBCooper> Hi Peter, Thank you for the M/V/ factory picture. The separator belt picture has aroused my curiosity as it is taken locally but no idea where. It could be a misspelling of the name, maybe Kelly or Healey both old farming names around here. I will work on it. John. Bega N.S.W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engines at State Archives > > Hi all > Here are some links for those who are interested in archival history: > > http://www.pictureaustralia.org/apps/pictureaustralia?term1=stationary+engine&action=PASearch&attribute1=any+field&mode=search > > I guess also the beauty of these old original photos is that we can see > what > the various parts look like that are usually missing from our engine when > we > find them. > Mufflers, water tanks, fuel tanks and the items they drove. > > Look at the length of the drive belt on this separator!! > http://mview.museum.vic.gov.au/paimages/mm/190/19078.htm > > You could spend month here and get lost: > http://libapp.sl.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/spydus/RECOPT/PM/FULL1/1306/388349,1?http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/bcp/002/00297h.jpg > > > Peter, Oz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Sep 13 19:15:00 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:15:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives In-Reply-To: <003f01c91586$1df6bc00$12b40556@intrepid> References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> <003f01c91586$1df6bc00$12b40556@intrepid> Message-ID: <1221358500.48cc73a460c5d@webmail.city-net.com> Dave, What a GREAT picture. Did you also notice the glass of water sitting on top of the engine? >From time to time there's a bloke at Portland who has his running tractor (John Deere?) sitting on top of four Coke bottles. I'm sure that someone has a pic of that somewhere. I think I've seen an advertising photo of an IHC "M" balanced running on either Coke bottles or glasses. Has anyone else seen that one? See ya, Arnie Quoting Dave Croft : > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" > > Balanced on four glasses only and not bolted down and running. > > > Hi Peter, I think the picture you quote is at > http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/hood/313/31389h.jpg From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Sep 13 23:24:44 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:24:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] M/V engines In-Reply-To: <008e01c9158f$f585c0e0$0201010a@JBCooper> References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> <008e01c9158f$f585c0e0$0201010a@JBCooper> Message-ID: While we are on MV engines: Does anyone know who made these engines for MV: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg06/lg060005.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg06/lg060431.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg06/lg060432.JPG They are almost identical to the Blackstone vertical but there are enough differences to suggest someone other than Blackstone may have made them for MV. I have heard all sorts of theories but nothing concrete. The MV sales ledger that I have only cover Ronaldson-Tippett built engines so it is no help on this one. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Hi Eric, I have just spoken to an old employee of M/V who lives near here and he tells me that they definitely made their own water cooled engines at a factory in Epsom Road Rosebery in Sydney.The castings were made by a firm in Mascot and all the machining was done in their own factory. I may be able to get more detail from him when I next see him. Regards, John Cooper, Bega N.S.W. Australia. From plb at iinet.net.au Sun Sep 14 00:40:57 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:40:57 +0800 Subject: [SEL] M/V engines In-Reply-To: References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> <008e01c9158f$f585c0e0$0201010a@JBCooper> Message-ID: <001101c9163d$39cf1aa0$ad6d4fe0$@net.au> The general design and shape of the engine is a bit similar to a Corbett and Williams that I have Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Sunday, 14 September 2008 2:25 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] M/V engines While we are on MV engines: Does anyone know who made these engines for MV: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg06/lg060005.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg06/lg060431.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/lg06/lg060432.JPG They are almost identical to the Blackstone vertical but there are enough differences to suggest someone other than Blackstone may have made them for MV. I have heard all sorts of theories but nothing concrete. The MV sales ledger that I have only cover Ronaldson-Tippett built engines so it is no help on this one. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Hi Eric, I have just spoken to an old employee of M/V who lives near here and he tells me that they definitely made their own water cooled engines at a factory in Epsom Road Rosebery in Sydney.The castings were made by a firm in Mascot and all the machining was done in their own factory. I may be able to get more detail from him when I next see him. Regards, John Cooper, Bega N.S.W. Australia. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Sep 14 03:18:58 2008 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:18:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives In-Reply-To: <001a01c9158d$cd066450$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> <003f01c91586$1df6bc00$12b40556@intrepid> <001a01c9158d$cd066450$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <48CCE512.4090603@steamengine.com.au> you did not double paste links - take the link apart and look at it - it is done so the original site knows you've done it... this part is to the site where you found the photo displayed initially http://libapp.sl.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/spydus/RECOPT/PM/FULL1/810/35259,1? this part is to the site where the photo is actually displayed http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/hood/313/31389h.jpg Peter Lowe wrote: >>> http://libapp.sl.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/spydus/RECOPT/PM/FULL1/810/35259,1?http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/hood/313/31389h.jpg >>> > > OK Dave, I must have double pasted two links together or something, thanks > mate. > > peter > > From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Sep 14 04:50:44 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:50:44 +0000 Subject: [SEL] LeRoi engine info needed Message-ID: <091420081150.15341.48CCFA9400040BE700003BED219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Guys, A good friend of mine just acquired a LeRoi engine that came out of an older Centaur tractor. I am trying to help him find any manuals or info as he doesn't have a computer. thank you in advance, Curt Andree From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Sep 14 07:33:41 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:33:41 EDT Subject: [SEL] Pictures Avery at Buckley Message-ID: Alan, Thanks for the write up. What a great piece of history! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sun Sep 14 13:51:50 2008 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:51:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives In-Reply-To: <1221358500.48cc73a460c5d@webmail.city-net.com> References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> <003f01c91586$1df6bc00$12b40556@intrepid> <1221358500.48cc73a460c5d@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <48CD7966.1050703@insulate.co.uk> The John Deere at Portland: http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/usa05/portland/47.jpg Dolly fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > >From time to time there's a bloke at Portland who has his running tractor (John > Deere?) sitting on top of four Coke bottles. I'm sure that someone has a pic > of that somewhere. > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sun Sep 14 13:54:22 2008 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:54:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] New Toy Message-ID: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> Hi Folks Jim's got himself a little winter project: http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/national/national.htm That's going to keep him quiet for a while. Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 14 14:11:26 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:11:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Toy References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: It looks new. That's not going to take long. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "ATIS Stationary Engine List" Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: [SEL] New Toy > Hi Folks > > Jim's got himself a little winter project: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/national/national.htm > > That's going to keep him quiet for a while. > > Dolly > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1671 - Release Date: 9/14/2008 7:16 AM From old_iron at msn.com Sun Sep 14 14:15:22 2008 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:15:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toy In-Reply-To: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Nice Jim really nice. Have a great day, we just got 11" of rain in 3 days, so Bill is going stir crazy. Peg> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:54:22 +0100> From: fbi at insulate.co.uk> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: [SEL] New Toy> > Hi Folks> > Jim's got himself a little winter project:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/national/national.htm> > That's going to keep him quiet for a while.> > Dolly> > -- > Jim French> fbi at insulate.co.uk> http://www.insulate.co.uk> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From old_iron at msn.com Sun Sep 14 14:51:15 2008 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:51:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives/Thanks Message-ID: You know Arnie, I think these actually look more like "shot" glasses, rather than regular glasses. Really neat pictures. Helen, the one with the John Deere on the Coke bottles was an advertising campaign to show how "smoothly" the JD ran. I will try and locate the original ad I got off of eBay a while back. My Dad had said it only worked with the small 8 OZ bottles because they were stronger glass. All of these are really neat, and you sure don't see this kind of ingenuity in today's "slick" advertising. Thanks to everyone for sharing these great photos. Peg Pfeiffer> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:15:00 -0400> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org> CC: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engines at State Archives> > Dave, > > What a GREAT picture. Did you also notice the glass of water sitting on top of> the engine?> > >From time to time there's a bloke at Portland who has his running tractor (John> Deere?) sitting on top of four Coke bottles. I'm sure that someone has a pic> of that somewhere.> > I think I've seen an advertising photo of an IHC "M" balanced running on either> Coke bottles or glasses. Has anyone else seen that one?> > See ya, Arnie> > Quoting Dave Croft :> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Lowe" > > > Balanced on four glasses only and not bolted down and running. > > >> > Hi Peter, I think the picture you quote is at> > http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/hood/313/31389h.jpg > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Sep 14 15:33:49 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:33:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives In-Reply-To: <48CD7966.1050703@insulate.co.uk> References: <000301c9156e$eddbca40$0200a8c0@PETER> <003f01c91586$1df6bc00$12b40556@intrepid> <1221358500.48cc73a460c5d@webmail.city-net.com> <48CD7966.1050703@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <1221431629.48cd914d4e126@webmail.city-net.com> Ahhhh, Dolly, well done!! BTW, this running tractor is about the ONLY time that I've ever seen a FATG with his exhibit talking to the spectators. See ya, Arnie Quoting Jim French : > The John Deere at Portland: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/usa05/portland/47.jpg > > fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > > >From time to time there's a bloke at Portland who has his running tractor > (John Deere?) sitting on top of four Coke bottles. From old_iron at msn.com Sun Sep 14 15:42:56 2008 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:42:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show pics are up Message-ID: I love the wheels on some of the carts, especially the wooded ones! Thanks for sharing, Peg Pfeiffer Soggy Rolling Meadows IL PS: the only fatality here in our area from the flooding was a 28 year old real nimrod who for a lark tried to swim across a run off retention pond that is usually on dry days a soccer field. The fireman they interviewed said they were having trouble finding the body because of the soccer equipment at the bottom. This "pond" is only about 15 feet deep and the length and width of a smallish soccer field.> From: flywheelin at hotmail.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:16:03 +0000> Subject: Re: [SEL] Show pics are up> > > Great pictures Jerry. Loved the ones of the little girl and gorilla!> > Luke Tonneberger> Rockford, Michigan> USA> > > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:13:57 +0200> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: jerrye at databak.co.za> Subject: [SEL] Show pics are up> > Hi Guys,> Our show pics are up at last.> > They're here:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/vow08/index.htm> > Keep the revs up (or down)> Jerry Evans> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:> > > > _________________________________________________________________> See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go.> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Sep 14 15:44:26 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:44:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Toy In-Reply-To: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <1221432266.48cd93cab5a31@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Dolly, YEE HAW, what an AWESOME engine. Well done guys!! How about the "vital statistics" for this sweetheart (B&S, diameter of FW, etc.). I'm especially curious about the width of those flywheels!! I can't wait to hear her run!! See ya, Arnie Quoting Jim French : > Jim's got himself a little winter project: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/national/national.htm From old_iron at msn.com Sun Sep 14 15:51:05 2008 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:51:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Information boards and shows In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20080910005600.00c19d90@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080910005600.00c19d90@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: I also have a detailed explaination of just how a hit - n - miss works, I got from a 1916 correspondence course from Cornell University, that has been a very big hit. I made it to fit on a 8 X 14 sheet of paper with the font big enough for most people to read with out glasses. Even people that have been in the hobby for a while stop to read it an find it interesting. I feel that a major part of this hobby is educating the "public" on how hard life was for a typical farmer. Not just preserving history but in a way teaching it too. Just my 2 cents. Peg Pfeiffer Rolling Meadows IL > Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:50:48 +0200> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> From: jerrye at databak.co.za> Subject: [SEL] Information boards and shows> > Hi Guys,> We also had our annual show this weekend - pages will hopefully be > up by tomorrow night. I'm not as quick as those Aussies.> > Peter and Patrick - thanks for posting your "Rusty Iron' pics. > Peter, how did you manage to beat Patrick - his pics are normally up so > quickly :-)> > Your post included mention of the lack of "Info Boards". I > experienced that this weekend and have included a note on my webpages (the > one that will hopefully be up tomorrow).> > In the meantime here is a "copy & paste" from the page of my > thoughts on the matter.> > "******** Note re. the importance of "information boards" on engines ********> > Something discussed recently on the Old Engine list was the lack of > "information boards" on engines. South Africa is no exception here and many > engines lacked information boards (we call them "Brag Boards"). Even guys > that I do know to own "Brag Boards" for their engines (I KNOW because I've > made boards for them at no charge) did not bother to use them.> > My experience this weekend showed just how important these boards are. My > 1928 Wolseley R was "parked" between my daughter's and my Wolseley WD9's > (both 1960 something models). In the rush of loading everything for the > show I forgot the board for the 1928 Wolseley (guilty as charged) and was > really surprised at the number of spectators (and even a television crew) > who would read one of the boards on the 1960's engines, walk right past the > 1928 model and read the board on the other 1960 model - many took > photographs and even made comments about "how nice they were" but ignored > the far more collectible 1928 model. Of course I'm talking about the > general public here, engine collectors know better and they admired the > older engine.> > C'mon guys - use your boards - they enhance the display and the experience > for spectators. Many spectators are too shy or lack the confidence to ask > questions (many are even too scared to show their ignorance) so they just > ignore the engine and move on. You'd be surprised at how many people will > show interest and strike up a conversation with you if they just had "a bit > of info" on the engine first - it seems to make them "more qualified" to > talk to you or to compliment you on the engine (hey, we all like > compliments). Remember also that the more discussions you have with > spectators the more will you increase the chances that one of them may call > you one day to say that they have found an old engine that you may be > interested in."> > ********************> > I have (and use) boards for each of my engines (O.K. so I'm > luckier than most because I have a small sign business) but these boards > need not cost a lot of bucks. Something simple made on your computer (or a > mates computer) is better than nothing. After all the trouble and expense > of restoring an engine this is only a small thing and makes a big difference.> > Info I put on my boards is:> Make,> Model,> Serial Number,> H.P. @ RPM,> Date manufactured,> Country of Origin,> Owner/restorers name> and my website address (people seem to be impressed that you have > a website for engines and is a great address.> (If the engine was given to me I also include "Donated by Joe > Soap" - which has the added advantage of letting people know that I'm > totally available for freebies )> > If I want to say more I make another board (for example to > describe the uses of the engine).> > I also have cards printed with my website address and contact > details and hand these out freely at shows - if one in a hundred finds me > another old engine then it's been worthwhile, Of course I've also ended up > with a few stuffed lawnmower engines in the process but that's the chance > you take and you accept them graciously - you gotta kiss a lot of frogs > before you find a prince.> > O.K. that's my "tuppence ha'penny" worth.> > Keep the revs up (or down)> Jerry Evans> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:> > > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun Sep 14 15:54:12 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:54:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New Toy In-Reply-To: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <070CCE3E92E04D919AF581AA08985DBB@KerryPC> G'Day Dolly Tell Jim well done, a great engine. Remind him to remove the water out of it during winter, better still remind him to CHECK all the engines :-)) Kerry > > Jim's got himself a little winter project: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/national/national.htm > From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Sep 14 18:16:57 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:16:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toy In-Reply-To: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Wow! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jim French > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 03:54 PM > To: ATIS Stationary Engine List > Subject: [SEL] New Toy > > > Hi Folks > > Jim's got himself a little winter project: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/national/na tional.htm That's going to keep him quiet for a while. From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Sun Sep 14 19:13:38 2008 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:13:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Spam=3E_Avery_Traction_Engine?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Hi Bruce, Here is a bit of the story on that sweet Avery. http://www.buckleyoldengineclub.org/Spotlight/1911-AVERY-40-120-H.P.- Alan in Michigan" I love those Averys! I am sending a couple of Avery pictures off list. One shows the geared steering, another on the Baker fan. Thanks for that article. Even back then, some people had more money than they knew what to do with. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From garyepps at fidnet.com Sun Sep 14 21:37:21 2008 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:37:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Values Message-ID: <375acf600809142137taf62b17qf849093833cf5f@mail.gmail.com> I went to the SteamORama and EDGE T A show west of Springfield, MO this weekend. It is a nice little show, probably the best one in southern MO. While there I visited with a fellow who expressed interest in buying some of my engines. Normally I would have said I wasn't interested in selling anything, but after the stroke in June I'm beginning to realize that I am not going to get around to some of the projects around here. The trouble is, I no longer know what these engines are worth as I haven't bought any in over ten years and haven't seen much in the way of recent auction reports. I need to price a Bluffton/Ideal with 12" flywheels on a metal cart. I last ran it about 9 yrs. ago. The paint is good, the cooling box/shroud is missing and it has a rectangular gas tank. The second engine is a 6hp McCormick-Deering, missing part of the fuel pump. It either has very good original paint or has been repainted sometime in the distant past. I know this not much information to go on, but if you can help me establish an appropriate dollar range for each of these engines I will appreciate the help. I want to offer a fair price and I don't want to get badly taken either. I also will sell some miscellaneous wheels and a couple of carts, and maybe a green Economy. The fellow I bought it from thought it was supposed to be Hercules green. I looks good; it's just the wrong color. I would really appreciate some ideas on the Bluffton/Ideal and the McCormick-Deering if possible. Oh, by the way I have decided to sell an unrestored 1949 John Deere AR as well. Gary From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 23:51:58 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:51:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Avery Traction Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160809142351g4df52c39p1658dd67a08cde27@mail.gmail.com> On 15/09/2008, Bruce Younger wrote: > I love those Averys! I am sending a couple of Avery pictures off list. One > shows the geared steering, another on the Baker fan. > > Thanks for that article. Even back then, some people had more money than > they knew what to do with. > > Bruce Younger http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Buckley08/Buckley092.htm http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Buckley08/Buckley094.htm or on oldengine: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Buckley08/Buckley092.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Buckley08/Buckley094.htm There are four menu pages of the Buckley show that are now up and working. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 15 00:00:16 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:00:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] SAMC Clarendon Classic Message-ID: <08A657BEC9BE41E49F9E7F70979758CD@PML> I hope to catch up with a few list members this weekend at the Clarendon Classic rally at Hawkesbury showground. It promises to be a good one with all sort of nice toys including a few traction engines :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Sep 15 04:45:01 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:45:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Toy In-Reply-To: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: That is a great find! Can you explain what a college engine is? Thanks for sharing that beauty, Steve> > Hi Folks> > Jim's got himself a little winter project:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/national/national.htm> > That's going to keep him quiet for a while.> > Dolly> > -- > Jim French> fbi at insulate.co.uk> http://www.insulate.co.uk> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 15 06:10:29 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:10:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine Values References: <375acf600809142137taf62b17qf849093833cf5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005701c91734$6deaea60$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > > Oh, by the way I have decided to sell an unrestored 1949 John Deere AR as > well. > http://mankato.craigslist.org/grd/840421402.html From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Sep 15 09:56:48 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:56:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Show pics are up/wheels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080915185241.02824ec0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 15/09/2008, you wrote: >Message: 7 >Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:42:56 -0500 >From: William J Pfeiffer Sr >Subject: Re: [SEL] Show pics are up > > >I love the wheels on some of the carts, especially the wooded ones! > >Thanks for sharing, > >Peg Pfeiffer >Soggy Rolling Meadows IL Hi Peg, They belong to my daughters boyfriend! Sort of his "Trademark". Really ugly but unusual and they attract muck comment. But, what the heck - they do the job. I always think of the Flintstones when I see them. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Sep 15 11:19:50 2008 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:19:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] New Toy In-Reply-To: <070CCE3E92E04D919AF581AA08985DBB@KerryPC> References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> <070CCE3E92E04D919AF581AA08985DBB@KerryPC> Message-ID: <48CEA746.8050508@insulate.co.uk> Hi Kerry As a matter of fact, Jim was draining engines this weekend. Well, running then draining! Dolly Kerry wrote: > G'Day Dolly > > Tell Jim well done, a great engine. > Remind him to remove the water out of it during winter, better still remind > him to CHECK all the engines :-)) > > Kerry > >> Jim's got himself a little winter project: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/national/national.htm >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Sep 15 11:24:57 2008 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:24:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] New Toy In-Reply-To: References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <48CEA879.7090209@insulate.co.uk> In the old, old, old days, when engineers were trained to be ... well, engineers, colleges had engines for the students to work with, measuring power, calorific burn of fuel, efficency ... basically anything which could be measured. The specially made college engines had extra adjusters on just about everything. They were discarded as a learning / teaching tool when it was discovered that everything can be learned from a book! Dolly Steve Royster wrote: > That is a great find! Can you explain what a college engine is? Thanks for sharing that beauty, Steve> > > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Sep 15 11:32:22 2008 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:32:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] New Toy In-Reply-To: References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <48CEAA36.1030704@insulate.co.uk> It is in very good condition, apart from the missing bearings, which are rather large! But, it was the top of one bearing and the bottom of the other which went, so at least he's got something left to work from. Dolly Skip Cleveland wrote: > It looks new. That's not going to take long. > Skip > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Sep 15 11:48:46 2008 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:48:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Engines at State Archives/Thanks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CEAE0E.4060506@insulate.co.uk> Even if the bottles were stronger glass, it's still a neat trick, and a real case of putting your money where your mouth is! Dolly William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > You know Arnie, I think these actually look more like "shot" glasses, rather than regular glasses. > > Really neat pictures. > > Helen, the one with the John Deere on the Coke bottles was an advertising campaign to show how "smoothly" the JD ran. I will try and locate the original ad I got off of eBay a while back. My Dad had said it only worked with the small 8 OZ bottles because they were stronger glass. > > All of these are really neat, and you sure don't see this kind of ingenuity in today's "slick" advertising. > > Thanks to everyone for sharing these great photos. > > Peg Pfeiffer> -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Sep 15 12:54:15 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:54:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toy In-Reply-To: <48CEA879.7090209@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Dolly: And that is why most of the recent graduate engineers I worked with didn't have any real mechanical aptitude. Just about none of them worked on cars or even had an interest in mechanics. Oh, yes - if they needed an answer, they could rely on the books to tell 'em but I found that I came up with ideas that were just as good (and often used) right out of my head and a sketch pad. AND I ain't even got no freakin' degree! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jim French > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 01:25 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Toy > > > In the old, old, old days, when engineers were > trained to be ... well, > engineers, colleges had engines for the students > to work with, measuring > power, calorific burn of fuel, efficency ... > basically anything which > could be measured. The specially made college > engines had extra > adjusters on just about everything. They were > discarded as a learning / > teaching tool when it was discovered that > everything can be learned from > a book! > > Dolly From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon Sep 15 14:22:51 2008 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:22:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Transportation help? In-Reply-To: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <24CF7F03-86F4-415E-A12B-C7C16BBA6630@herculesengines.com> > Is there anybody in the Sharon, CT area that could haul a 5 HP > Economy to Coolsprings or any place west? Ultimately wanting to get > it to Evansville, Indiana. Thanks. Keith www.herculesengines.com > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Sep 15 14:58:54 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:58:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Transportation help? In-Reply-To: <24CF7F03-86F4-415E-A12B-C7C16BBA6630@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <000001c9177e$3fb870a0$7701a8c0@tommyd0x52gkco> Keith, If Glenn Karch doesn't get to make it to Coolspring I can haul it back as far as KY for you. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Keith Kinney Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:23 PM To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Transportation help? > Is there anybody in the Sharon, CT area that could haul a 5 HP > Economy to Coolsprings or any place west? Ultimately wanting to get > it to Evansville, Indiana. Thanks. Keith www.herculesengines.com > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 15 15:25:08 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:25:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. O.T. Moonshine Cake Recipe Message-ID: <9ABC3A8687774BC6887369F1488D99C7@FAMILY> Hey Gang I hope if you are reading this you will not get upset with me for sending this message. Please send any response off list as I do not want to anger my friends. I am not sure but I think it was someone on this list who referred to making a moonshine cake sometime ago and posted the recipe. It takes 44- days to make and I an now into my 22 day of making this recipe and I need to talk to someone who has made the cake as I have some questions. Please just serious answers, I know this subject could open up a whole can of worms but I am serious about making the cake. Thanks everyone, Paul From gastzt at aol.com Mon Sep 15 15:55:48 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:55:48 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. O.T. Moonshine Cake Recipe Message-ID: moonshine cake goes GOOD with watching an old 8hp stover pop along---LOL ha! Stan **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From gastzt at aol.com Mon Sep 15 15:54:19 2008 From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:54:19 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. O.T. Moonshine Cake Recipe Message-ID: are you any kin to ol' Hugh Maples in Seguin, Texas by any chance???? (old electrician) Stan OldStovers--Pleasanton, Tx **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Sep 15 16:07:03 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:07:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. O.T. Moonshine Cake Recipe References: <9ABC3A8687774BC6887369F1488D99C7@FAMILY> Message-ID: <00b801c91787$c549ed30$12b40556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:25 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. O.T. Moonshine Cake Recipe > Hey Gang I hope if you are reading this you will not get upset with me for sending this message. Please send any response off list > as I do not want to anger my friends. > I am not sure but I think it was someone on this list who referred to making a moonshine cake sometime ago and posted the recipe. > It takes 44- days to make and I an now into my 22 day of making this recipe and I need to talk to someone who has made the cake as > I have some questions. > Please just serious answers, I know this subject could open up a whole can of worms but I am serious about making the cake. > Thanks everyone, > Paul Hi Paul, this is a recipe beyond an Englishman but would the recipes at http://www.kitchenlink.com/mf/0/83410 help you at all? Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 15 16:21:00 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:21:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. O.T. Moonshine Cake Recipe References: Message-ID: <022A1DC5320940838B13B6E9AF3494CB@FAMILY> Not that I know of. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. O.T. Moonshine Cake Recipe > are you any kin to ol' Hugh Maples in Seguin, Texas by any chance???? > (old > electrician) > Stan > OldStovers--Pleasanton, Tx > > >/sel From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon Sep 15 16:28:32 2008 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed stoller) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:28:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Springfield Walk Behind Ttractor References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> <24CF7F03-86F4-415E-A12B-C7C16BBA6630@herculesengines.com> Message-ID: I know I have seen a Springfield walk behind tractor at some shows. Does anyone know who might have one. There is a gent on the Briggs list who needs help. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 15 16:48:06 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:48:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. O.T. Moonshine Cake Recipe References: <9ABC3A8687774BC6887369F1488D99C7@FAMILY> <00b801c91787$c549ed30$12b40556@intrepid> Message-ID: Dave this site had some of the information I needed. I have the recipe but had some questions about the starter. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. O.T. Moonshine Cake Recipe > Hi Paul, this is a recipe beyond an Englishman but would the recipes at > http://www.kitchenlink.com/mf/0/83410 help you at all? > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 17:22:50 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Information boards and shows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <400175.54776.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Peg, A very valuable two cents indeed!!! Would you please consider sending me a copy of that great explanation? email or snail mail Every time I got to a show here my goal is to reach the public in some way. When folks ask me about how that engine is running I ask them to enter my area and show them all the steps on a non-running engine. Then I have them watch parts on a running one. They love to feed my corn sheller and learn about the past. Next year they will be operating this "new" washing machine I just bought. http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2691368980102971262mAYLMV I still have not unloaded it from my truck. That is tommorow's task. Alan Bowen --- On Sun, 9/14/08, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > From: William J Pfeiffer Sr > Subject: Re: [SEL] Information boards and shows > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 6:51 PM > I also have a detailed explaination of just how a hit - n - > miss works, I got from a 1916 correspondence course from > Cornell University, that has been a very big hit. I made it > to fit on a 8 X 14 sheet of paper with the font big enough > for most people to read with out glasses. Even people that > have been in the hobby for a while stop to read it an find > it interesting. > > I feel that a major part of this hobby is educating the > "public" on how hard life was for a typical > farmer. Not just preserving history but in a way teaching it > too. > > Just my 2 cents. > > Peg Pfeiffer > Rolling Meadows IL From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon Sep 15 18:18:56 2008 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:18:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Transportation help? In-Reply-To: <000001c9177e$3fb870a0$7701a8c0@tommyd0x52gkco> References: <000001c9177e$3fb870a0$7701a8c0@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: Tommy Thanks for the offer. I'll let you know if I get from CT to PA. Keith On Sep 15, 2008, at 5:58 PM, Tommy Turner wrote: > Keith, > If Glenn Karch doesn't get to make it to Coolspring I can haul > it back as far as KY for you. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Keith > Kinney > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:23 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Transportation help? > >> Is there anybody in the Sharon, CT area that could haul a 5 HP >> Economy to Coolsprings or any place west? Ultimately wanting to get >> it to Evansville, Indiana. > Thanks. > Keith > www.herculesengines.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Sep 15 19:12:30 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:12:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Transportation help? In-Reply-To: References: <000001c9177e$3fb870a0$7701a8c0@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: <32DA48D7-FA53-4DCA-A66B-F94652F80989@alltel.net> Hi Keith, Arnie and I could get it from Coolspring to Cotton Ginning. Just tell us what bed you want it on when you get there! Dave On Sep 15, 2008, at 9:18 PM, Keith Kinney wrote: > Tommy > Thanks for the offer. I'll let you know if I get from CT to PA. > Keith > > > On Sep 15, 2008, at 5:58 PM, Tommy Turner wrote: > >> Keith, >> If Glenn Karch doesn't get to make it to Coolspring I can haul >> it back as far as KY for you. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Keith >> Kinney >> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:23 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org >> Subject: [SEL] Transportation help? >> >>> Is there anybody in the Sharon, CT area that could haul a 5 HP >>> Economy to Coolsprings or any place west? Ultimately wanting to get >>> it to Evansville, Indiana. >> Thanks. >> Keith >> www.herculesengines.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 15 20:49:54 2008 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:49:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Avery Pictures Message-ID: Thanks for the additional Avery pictures, Peter. Notice how the running gear on the left side is shielded to help keep your vital parts out of the works! Unfortunately, I wil not be able to get back to the show where I see the one in Jacksonville, IL, this year. I'll see if I can find more pictures of it. Thought I had a short mpg of it on the Baker fan. Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 22:45:33 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:45:33 +0100 Subject: [SEL] New Toy In-Reply-To: References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6f6025160809152245h30e55abax3a185a2313315572@mail.gmail.com> On 15/09/2008, Steve Royster wrote: > > That is a great find! Can you explain what a college engine is? Thanks for > sharing that beauty, Steve> Further to Helen's reply, college engines were also produced by Ruston & Hornsby, Crossley, Tangyes, and a couple of others. Our own Ruston & Hornsby 1ZHR engine was supplied to Abingdon College in the 1960's with a friction brake and various monitoring devices for revs, temperature etc etc. We also have an electric dynamometer to go with ours in addition to the Heenan & Froude unit which is now going to stay with the Caterpillar 1Y73 research engine. Loughborough College actually made their own engines which were sold to other institutions, and are much sought-after these days. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 00:05:44 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:05:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Portland, Barleylands show pictures Message-ID: <6f6025160809160005p4fd3dec6nea0c6ca0e30b67bf@mail.gmail.com> Portland pictures: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08Menu1.htm http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland08/Portland08Menu1.htm 27 menu pages of 24 pictures each = 648 picture pages. Portland and Buckley Videos: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08VideoMenu.htm http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland08/Portland08VideoMenu.htm 4 menu pages, 146 video clips Barleylands (Essex County Show) http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Barleylands08/Barleylands08Menu1.htm http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Barleylands08/Barleylands08Menu1.htm 4 menu pages of 24 pictures each = 96 picture pages, another 100 to go yet. There are also 9 video clips for Barleylands which are not menued yet: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Barleylands08/Barleylands200801.wmv through to: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Barleylands08/Barleylands200809.wmv or at: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Barleylands08/Barleylands200801.wmv through to: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Barleylands08/Barleylands200809.wmv 200801 is the big 100hp Gardner 13HF engine running, the others are all steam related. 200808 is nearly 11mb. All should run as video streaming in Windows Media Player. I'll get a menu set up soon. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 00:33:38 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:33:38 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Buckley Pictures url Message-ID: <6f6025160809160033x25a89d6dy264102d29e4bdac1@mail.gmail.com> Sorry! left out the Buckley pictures details: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Buckley08/Buckley08Menu1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Buckley08/Buckley08Menu1.htm 5 Menu pages of 24 pictures per page = 120 picture pages. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 16 09:14:19 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:14:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Toy References: <48CD79FE.6010302@insulate.co.uk> <6f6025160809152245h30e55abax3a185a2313315572@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008e01c91817$46a4ce10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Like the Ironwood engines that came out of Ironwood High School in the UP of Michigan My dad went ta school dere aye . But they were through slingin' iron by then . Or I would be actively seeking one of those . > Loughborough College actually made their own engines which were sold > to other institutions, and are much sought-after these days. > From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Sep 16 10:23:49 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:23:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] David Edgington's new Lister Book Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080916191141.03374e40@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi All, It's been out a few weeks already but I thought I'd let you know that David Edgington's new book "The Lister A & B Story " is out. Here is a bit of description from his website: "The book is the result of 25 years of research and is an in depth study, rather than a 'story', taking the reader through each build specification, with engine datings and changes. ". It promises to be one of his best books and, going by the quality of his previous books, a "must have" even if you do not collect Lister engines. More information here: Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 16 10:49:00 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:49:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] David Edgington's new Lister Book References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080916191141.03374e40@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <00b001c91824$80949440$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > It promises to be one of his best books and, going by the quality > of his previous books, a "must have" even if you do not collect Lister > engines. > >>> And those are some spiffy boots ! From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Sep 17 07:09:48 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:09:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hercules 4 cylinder wiring - update In-Reply-To: <016601c91692$80cd6330$4001a8c0@JIMDUNMYER> References: <016601c91692$80cd6330$4001a8c0@JIMDUNMYER> Message-ID: Last night I hooked up the battery positive to the starter button and grounded the battery to the engine block. I pushed the starter button and got a click. Pushed again and another click. The engine didn't turn over. I engaged the clutch and tried to turn the pulley over and couldn't. Put a big pipe wrench on the pulley and it wouldn't budge. I then made up a hand crank to try and crank it over by hand and it still wouldn't move. Pulled the fuel tank off, unbolted the head to had a look. The third piston from the front looked awful, the cylinder wall looked like the top of an apple cobbler. The fourth had about 1/8" of water in it. When I bought the engine last fall I drained the coolant, which was probably a good thing. It appears the head wasn't tight enough and was leaking coolant into those two cylinders. The valves were closed on those two cylinders, another good thing. The intake valves were stuck on those two cylinders. I was able to scrape and tap the valves and got them loosened up. I took a very large socket that just fit into the cylinder, put a piece of cork gasket between the piston and socket, got a hammer and started to whack away. A few minutes of wacking got the pistons to move. I'm going to push this project aside until winter so I can tear it down, pull the pistons, give it a hone and see what I have. I'll have to take more pictures of the generator, starter, and distributor in order to show better what I have. I don't know much about electrical stuff and all this A circuit, B circuit, resistor, cut out, burning points, oscillation business is way over my head. Thanks for the help on and off list so far. To be continued........ Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA P.S. Jim I would like a copy of that diagram if possible, no hurry. P.S.S. Curt I'll probably call you this weekend. _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 14:14:10 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:14:10 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Barleylands - Essex County Show, Billericay Message-ID: <6f6025160809171414r487b8f82k866da7f31726ac@mail.gmail.com> We had a day in the sunshine after nearly three weeks of wet and cloudy weather. After 2 weeks in the USA with very good weather, it was bl**dy miserable! Anyway, last weekend we had a day out at the Barleylands show, there are 6 pages of pictures in the usual format, with another page to finish, maybe tomorrow: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Barleylands08/Barleylands08Menu1.htm or at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Barleylands08/Barleylands08Menu1.htm This was a heavily steam-oriented show, so expect a lot of traction engine stuff. There are also 9 videos which I will set up a menu for tomorrow. Our last 'proper' show is at Cranford, near Kettering, Northamptonshire, we wil be going to that, subject to the weather. Our next show then will be Nuenen in May/June 2009. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Sep 17 20:14:40 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:14:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Show pictures Message-ID: <20080917.201440.632.9.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Last Saturday my club WAPA (Western Antique Power Associates) was invited to participate in South Pasadena's fund raising event for their Rose Parade float, "Cruz'n For Roses". Here are a few pictures. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/SouthPasadenaCarShow2008# Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Looking for insurance? Click to compare and save big. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m276GWaA7fN5SXzPZFXVkKfaxIMK8XtWxKwjmQ5b0kxRqip/ From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Sep 18 08:08:33 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:08:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wellington Ohio In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080909235044.03056950@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <000001c912f5$942e9ca0$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> <6.2.1.2.1.20080909235044.03056950@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080918110704.030a9450@pop3.wcoil.com> Just wondering will there be any list members going to the shows at Wellington Ohio or Luckey Ohio this and next weeks? Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, Ohio Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 From kosh at ncweb.com Thu Sep 18 09:45:38 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:45:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wellington Ohio In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080918110704.030a9450@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080909235044.03056950@pop3.wcoil.com> <000001c912f5$942e9ca0$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> <6.2.1.2.1.20080909235044.03056950@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20080918124236.0217d660@ncweb.com> We will be at Wellington, but won't be bringing anything this time. It's one of our favorite shows, you can guarantee that something weird will show up there, and the flea market is huge. The Indian motorcycle folks are always there too. Dave Merchant At 11:08 AM 9/18/2008, Mark Shulaw wrote: >Just wondering will there be any list members going to the shows at >Wellington Ohio or Luckey Ohio this and next weeks? Mark > > > > >Mark & Christine Shulaw >Bluffton, Ohio >Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >Home #419.358.5206 > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Sep 18 10:53:38 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:53:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Portland, Barleylands show pictures In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809160005p4fd3dec6nea0c6ca0e30b67bf@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160809160005p4fd3dec6nea0c6ca0e30b67bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Absolutely wonderful photos,videos and documentation ! Thanks so much for posting these for us to remember the shows. That was a lot of work just taking the photos, no wonder we never saw much of you!. Thanks, Steve > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:05:44 +0100> From: listerdiesel at gmail.com> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Portland, Barleylands show pictures> > Portland pictures:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08Menu1.htm> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland08/Portland08Menu1.htm> 27 menu pages of 24 pictures each = 648 picture pages.> > Portland and Buckley Videos:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08VideoMenu.htm> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland08/Portland08VideoMenu.htm> 4 menu pages, 146 video clips> > Barleylands (Essex County Show)> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Barleylands08/Barleylands08Menu1.htm> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Barleylands08/Barleylands08Menu1.htm> 4 menu pages of 24 pictures each = 96 picture pages, another 100 to go yet.> > > There are also 9 video clips for Barleylands which are not menued yet:> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Barleylands08/Barleylands200801.wmv> through to:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Barleylands08/Barleylands200809.wmv> > or at:> > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Barleylands08/Barleylands200801.wmv> through to:> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Barleylands08/Barleylands200809.wmv> > 200801 is the big 100hp Gardner 13HF engine running, the others are> all steam related. 200808 is nearly 11mb. All should run as video> streaming in Windows Media Player. I'll get a menu set up soon.> > Peter> -- > Peter A Forbes> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel> http://stationary-engine.co.uk> http://www.oldengine.co.uk> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Sep 18 11:45:25 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:45:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wellington Ohio In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20080918124236.0217d660@ncweb.com> References: <6.2.1.2.1.20080909235044.03056950@pop3.wcoil.com> <000001c912f5$942e9ca0$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2> <6.2.1.2.1.20080909235044.03056950@pop3.wcoil.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20080918124236.0217d660@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20080918144504.030c2960@pop3.wcoil.com> Will be there today in the engine area somewhere. See you there! Mark At 12:45 PM 9/18/08, you wrote: >We will be at Wellington, but won't be bringing anything this time. > >It's one of our favorite shows, you can guarantee that something >weird will show up there, and the flea market is huge. > >The Indian motorcycle folks are always there too. > >Dave Merchant > > >At 11:08 AM 9/18/2008, Mark Shulaw wrote: > >Just wondering will there be any list members going to the shows at > >Wellington Ohio or Luckey Ohio this and next weeks? Mark > > > > > > > > > >Mark & Christine Shulaw > >Bluffton, Ohio > >Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > >Home #419.358.5206 > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Dave Merchant >kosh at nesys.com >nesys_com at ameritech.net >dmerchant at layerzero.com > >http://www.nesys.com >http://www.nesys.org >YouTube: SteamCrane > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From blcksmth at wcnet.org Thu Sep 18 12:54:51 2008 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:54:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wellington Ohio In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20080918110704.030a9450@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <000001c912f5$942e9ca0$0501a8c0@three82b2bb9a2><6.2.1.2.1.20080909235044.03056950@pop3.wcoil.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080918110704.030a9450@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <2EC8311368054E38A9B2CF3ACF294AE5@Eagle> I plan to make Luckey - my home town - early Friday and maybe Sunday afternoon. The SOFA blacksmith get-together in Troy will take up the rest of the weekend. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:09 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Wellington Ohio Just wondering will there be any list members going to the shows at Wellington Ohio or Luckey Ohio this and next weeks? Mark Mark & Christine Shulaw Bluffton, Ohio Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Home #419.358.5206 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Sep 19 18:07:41 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:07:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 Message-ID: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com> Can someone inform me about the correct way to remove a Phelon flywheel from this beast? There is no apparent fitting points to use a standard puller (thread or hook types) and the flywheel is keyed. -- Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Sep 19 20:13:56 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 04:13:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 References: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <001d01c91ace$ec38cb60$12b40556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "SEL" Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:07 AM Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 > Can someone inform me about the correct way to remove a Phelon flywheel > from this beast? > > There is no apparent fitting points to use a standard puller (thread or > hook types) and the flywheel is keyed. > Cheers, > Al Harris > Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz > al.harris at rustic-engines.com Is the flywheel also part of the magneto? If so see http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1344869335028520097Gdftrx On most of the Villiers smaller engines the securing bolt was also the removal device. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Sep 19 21:30:55 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:30:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 In-Reply-To: <001d01c91ace$ec38cb60$12b40556@intrepid> References: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com> <001d01c91ace$ec38cb60$12b40556@intrepid> Message-ID: <48D47C7F.1010809@rustic-engines.com> I should have posted a photo Dave. My bad. > http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/Picture%20005m.jpg The nut rests up against the flywheel, it is not an integral part of it. As you can see there is nowhere to get leverage on the flywheel (we know there must be though). It is not like your standard Villiers flywheel eh. Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Dave Croft wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Harris" > To: "SEL" > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:07 AM > Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 > > > >> Can someone inform me about the correct way to remove a Phelon flywheel >> from this beast? >> >> There is no apparent fitting points to use a standard puller (thread or >> hook types) and the flywheel is keyed. >> > > >> Cheers, >> Al Harris >> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> > > Is the flywheel also part of the magneto? > If so see > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1344869335028520097Gdftrx > On most of the Villiers smaller engines the securing bolt was also the removal device. > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Sep 19 22:33:37 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:33:37 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 References: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com><001d01c91ace$ec38cb60$12b40556@intrepid> <48D47C7F.1010809@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <53D156ED54F043DEB5033F748996ABF7@your9e74d7efa7> Al ,I am guessing the engine is a four cycle and has a seperate magneto,ie not a flywheel magy. Are you sure the flywheel is keyed? What are the two holes that we can see [look about 6mm] are they threaded and are there more ? A method that can be tried is whilst prying the flywheel away from the backing plate tap the rim with a wooden mallet .It will be sitting on a taper and just might spring off. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 >I should have posted a photo Dave. My bad. > >> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/Picture%20005m.jpg > The nut rests up against the flywheel, it is not an integral part of it. > As you can see there is nowhere to get leverage on the flywheel (we know > there must be though). > It is not like your standard Villiers flywheel eh. > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Dave Croft wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Al Harris" >> To: "SEL" >> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:07 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 >> >> >> >>> Can someone inform me about the correct way to remove a Phelon flywheel >>> from this beast? >>> >>> There is no apparent fitting points to use a standard puller (thread or >>> hook types) and the flywheel is keyed. >>> >> >> >>> Cheers, >>> Al Harris >>> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >>> >> >> Is the flywheel also part of the magneto? >> If so see >> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1344869335028520097Gdftrx >> On most of the Villiers smaller engines the securing bolt was also the >> removal device. >> Dave Croft >> Warrington >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ >> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Fri Sep 19 23:27:30 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:27:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 In-Reply-To: <53D156ED54F043DEB5033F748996ABF7@your9e74d7efa7> References: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com><001d01c91ace$ec38cb60$12b40556@intrepid> <48D47C7F.1010809@rustic-engines.com> <53D156ED54F043DEB5033F748996ABF7@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <48D497D2.7070204@rustic-engines.com> Thanks Peter. I will go through your options one by one. It is four cycle (Norton/Villiers from Ballarat Victoria - C12A) and it is a Phelon (U.S.A.) flywheel maggy. Phelon manufacture many types of Electronic Flywheel Magneto's. Yes it is keyed (I can see it). There is a third hole hidden in the picture. They are blind, smooth holes. For what purpose, I don't know. You can't get any purchase from them. The flywheel sits *inside* the stator plate with only a cigarette paper between (prising not allowed, as I have tried it and the cast plate started to tear with the pressure). Tried tapping until I was blue in the face. Have left a website email with Phelon but have received no answer. Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com peter ogborne wrote: > Al ,I am guessing the engine is a four cycle and has a seperate magneto,ie > not a flywheel magy. > Are you sure the flywheel is keyed? > What are the two holes that we can see [look about 6mm] are they threaded > and are there more ? > A method that can be tried is whilst prying the flywheel away from the > backing plate tap the rim with a wooden mallet .It will be sitting on a > taper and just might spring off. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Harris" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:30 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 > > > >> I should have posted a photo Dave. My bad. >> >> >>> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/Picture%20005m.jpg >>> >> The nut rests up against the flywheel, it is not an integral part of it. >> As you can see there is nowhere to get leverage on the flywheel (we know >> there must be though). >> It is not like your standard Villiers flywheel eh. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Dave Croft wrote: >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Al Harris" >>> To: "SEL" >>> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:07 AM >>> Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Can someone inform me about the correct way to remove a Phelon flywheel >>>> from this beast? >>>> >>>> There is no apparent fitting points to use a standard puller (thread or >>>> hook types) and the flywheel is keyed. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Al Harris >>>> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >>>> >>>> >>> Is the flywheel also part of the magneto? >>> If so see >>> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1344869335028520097Gdftrx >>> On most of the Villiers smaller engines the securing bolt was also the >>> removal device. >>> Dave Croft >>> Warrington >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ >>> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 20 00:20:42 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:20:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 References: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <000301c91af1$645a2680$0200a8c0@PETER> 14lb hammer Al ;-) Peter, Oz > Can someone inform me about the correct way to remove a Phelon flywheel > from this beast? > > There is no apparent fitting points to use a standard puller (thread or > hook types) and the flywheel is keyed. > > > -- > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 20 00:24:40 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:24:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 References: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com><001d01c91ace$ec38cb60$12b40556@intrepid> <48D47C7F.1010809@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <000d01c91af1$f2256fb0$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi Al I have tapped out those three holes and made a puller to pull from the crank. Peter >I should have posted a photo Dave. My bad. > >> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/Picture%20005m.jpg > The nut rests up against the flywheel, it is not an integral part of it. > As you can see there is nowhere to get leverage on the flywheel (we know > there must be though). > It is not like your standard Villiers flywheel eh. > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Dave Croft wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Al Harris" >> To: "SEL" >> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:07 AM >> Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 >> >> >> >>> Can someone inform me about the correct way to remove a Phelon flywheel >>> from this beast? >>> >>> There is no apparent fitting points to use a standard puller (thread or >>> hook types) and the flywheel is keyed. >>> >> >> >>> Cheers, >>> Al Harris >>> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >>> >> >> Is the flywheel also part of the magneto? >> If so see >> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1344869335028520097Gdftrx >> On most of the Villiers smaller engines the securing bolt was also the >> removal device. >> Dave Croft >> Warrington >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ >> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 00:45:55 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:45:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 In-Reply-To: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com> References: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160809200045xa8a9db9h947f0c729bc47664@mail.gmail.com> On 20/09/2008, Al Harris wrote: > Can someone inform me about the correct way to remove a Phelon flywheel > from this beast? > > There is no apparent fitting points to use a standard puller (thread or > hook types) and the flywheel is keyed. > Cheers, > > Al Harris Al: I checked my Villiers books for the F12 and F15 engines, the later engines with electronic ignition have no instructions for flywheel removal at all. I'd suggest that the dealers would probably have to drill and tap those holes for a puller to get the flywheel off. I'd not hit the flywheel too much, it is only alloy and if it gets distorted it will cause running/balance problems or shed a magnet. Earlier Villiers flywheels used the self-extracting hub nut as you probably know. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Sat Sep 20 00:54:10 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:54:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 In-Reply-To: <000d01c91af1$f2256fb0$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com><001d01c91ace$ec38cb60$12b40556@intrepid> <48D47C7F.1010809@rustic-engines.com> <000d01c91af1$f2256fb0$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <48D4AC22.1090005@rustic-engines.com> That's plan B Peter, if nobody comes up with plan A. Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Al > I have tapped out those three holes and made a puller to pull from the > crank. > Peter > > > > > >> I should have posted a photo Dave. My bad. >> >> >>> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/Picture%20005m.jpg >>> >> The nut rests up against the flywheel, it is not an integral part of it. >> As you can see there is nowhere to get leverage on the flywheel (we know >> there must be though). >> It is not like your standard Villiers flywheel eh. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Dave Croft wrote: >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Al Harris" >>> To: "SEL" >>> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:07 AM >>> Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Can someone inform me about the correct way to remove a Phelon flywheel >>>> from this beast? >>>> >>>> There is no apparent fitting points to use a standard puller (thread or >>>> hook types) and the flywheel is keyed. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Al Harris >>>> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >>>> >>>> >>> Is the flywheel also part of the magneto? >>> If so see >>> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1344869335028520097Gdftrx >>> On most of the Villiers smaller engines the securing bolt was also the >>> removal device. >>> Dave Croft >>> Warrington >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ >>> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Sat Sep 20 01:05:00 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:05:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809200045xa8a9db9h947f0c729bc47664@mail.gmail.com> References: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com> <6f6025160809200045xa8a9db9h947f0c729bc47664@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D4AEAC.7010105@rustic-engines.com> Yeah, thanks Peter, I am treating it *very* carefully. There is a huge pump attached to this engine which has little compression. So, I am attempting to remove the flywheel and stator plate to mate with a Mk12 H1 that has a bung coil. If I can't get the thing apart without damage I may just have to re-ring it and pump Oz dry. ;-) Cheers, Al Harris Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Listerdiesel wrote: > On 20/09/2008, Al Harris wrote: > >> Can someone inform me about the correct way to remove a Phelon flywheel >> from this beast? >> >> There is no apparent fitting points to use a standard puller (thread or >> hook types) and the flywheel is keyed. >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> > > Al: > > I checked my Villiers books for the F12 and F15 engines, the later > engines with electronic ignition have no instructions for flywheel > removal at all. > > I'd suggest that the dealers would probably have to drill and tap > those holes for a puller to get the flywheel off. > > I'd not hit the flywheel too much, it is only alloy and if it gets > distorted it will cause running/balance problems or shed a magnet. > > Earlier Villiers flywheels used the self-extracting hub nut as you > probably know. > > Peter > From imatowie at bigpond.com Sat Sep 20 01:24:54 2008 From: imatowie at bigpond.com (Laurie) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:24:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper RV Message-ID: <01d001c91afa$5c9a44d0$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f> Hi everyone, I've just returned to the hobby after quite a few years. I've got myself a Cooper RV, which has a couple of small problems. It has a very weak spark, which I've managed to trace to weak flywheel magnets. Is there a way of re-magnetising these? If not, would anyone have a spare they would be willing to part with? Also, does anyone have a manual they would be willing to copy? Naturally, all costs covered and a few beers as well. Thanks in advance- it's great to be back! Laurie in Melbourne. From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 02:02:24 2008 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 02:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Cleaning water hoppers? In-Reply-To: <0EB55E82-E317-49FA-87ED-90CEA7ECF908@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <127383.53005.qm@web59202.mail.re1.yahoo.com> TO:????? The SEL GUYS ( and GALS ) FROM: Bill Young RE:???? Water hoppers ? Greetings from Japan. Perhaps this thread has been discussed before I started reading SEL.If so, please run some of the good stuff by me.When in the States, I have seen a number of engines with immaculate water hopper interiors.How is decades of rust, grime, etc. removed?The finish I like best is the one similar the the blued barrelof a shotgun. Thanks, Standing by to hear from you. Bill From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 02:34:24 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:34:24 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Cooper RV In-Reply-To: <01d001c91afa$5c9a44d0$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f> References: <01d001c91afa$5c9a44d0$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f> Message-ID: <6f6025160809200234j1ce33034i6f8f756e66ab994f@mail.gmail.com> On 20/09/2008, Laurie wrote: > Hi everyone, > I've just returned to the hobby after quite a few years. I've got myself a > Cooper RV, which has a couple of small problems. It has a very weak spark, > which I've managed to trace to weak flywheel magnets. Is there a way of > re-magnetising these? If not, would anyone have a spare they would be > willing to part with? > Also, does anyone have a manual they would be willing to copy? Naturally, > all costs covered and a few beers as well. > Thanks in advance- it's great to be back! > > Laurie in Melbourne. Laurie: Welcome back to the Lists! You can remagnetize flywheel magnets in situ, see the setup here: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/Mak7.htm The two magneto catalogs for service gear are in the top of this menu: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/PetrolMag.htm You need to find someone with a remagnetiser now.... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From russell at ncable.com.au Sat Sep 20 05:56:57 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:56:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Buckley, Portland, Barleylands show pictures In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809160005p4fd3dec6nea0c6ca0e30b67bf@mail.gmail.co m> References: <6f6025160809160005p4fd3dec6nea0c6ca0e30b67bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080920225538.022d55d0@ncable.com.au> Peter a super effort. I had to forward the link to my work pc so I could look over them a couple of times. Thanks, Russell At 05:05 PM 16/09/2008, you wrote: >Portland pictures: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08Menu1.htm >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland08/Portland08Menu1.htm >27 menu pages of 24 pictures each = 648 picture pages. > >Portland and Buckley Videos: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08VideoMenu.htm >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland08/Portland08VideoMenu.htm >4 menu pages, 146 video clips > >Barleylands (Essex County Show) >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Barleylands08/Barleylands08Menu1.htm >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Barleylands08/Barleylands08Menu1.htm >4 menu pages of 24 pictures each = 96 picture pages, another 100 to go yet. > > >There are also 9 video clips for Barleylands which are not menued yet: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Barleylands08/Barleylands200801.wmv >through to: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Barleylands08/Barleylands200809.wmv > >or at: > >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Barleylands08/Barleylands200801.wmv >through to: >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Barleylands08/Barleylands200809.wmv > >200801 is the big 100hp Gardner 13HF engine running, the others are >all steam related. 200808 is nearly 11mb. All should run as video >streaming in Windows Media Player. I'll get a menu set up soon. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Sep 20 07:38:27 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:38:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 In-Reply-To: <48D47C7F.1010809@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: Al: I may be missing something here but the way I've always removed flywheels on keyed tapered shafts is to back the nut off a few turns. Then, using a board or soft metal buffer against the end of the nut to keep from dinging it, give it a good whack toward the flywheel with a heavy hammer. The wheel should pop right off. This has worked for me. But then, I don't know a thing about Villers engines so take it with a grain of salt (or whatever). Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Al Harris > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 11:31 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 > > > I should have posted a photo Dave. My bad. > > > > http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/Pict > ure%20005m.jpg > The nut rests up against the flywheel, it is not > an integral part of it. > As you can see there is nowhere to get leverage > on the flywheel (we know > there must be though). > It is not like your standard Villiers flywheel eh. > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Dave Croft wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Al Harris" > > To: "SEL" > > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:07 AM > > Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 > > > > > > > >> Can someone inform me about the correct way to > remove a Phelon flywheel > >> from this beast? > >> > >> There is no apparent fitting points to use a > standard puller (thread or > >> hook types) and the flywheel is keyed. > >> > > > > > >> Cheers, > >> Al Harris > >> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz > >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com > >> > > > > Is the flywheel also part of the magneto? > > If so see > > > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/13448693 35028520097Gdftrx > On most of the Villiers smaller engines the securing bolt was also the removal device. > Dave Croft > Warrington > http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 20 07:00:22 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:00:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning water hoppers? References: <127383.53005.qm@web59202.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004601c91b29$39e41db0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Greetings from Japan. Perhaps this thread has been discussed before I started reading SEL.If so, please run some of the good stuff by me.When in the States, I have seen a number of engines with immaculate water hopper interiors.How is decades of rust, grime, etc. removed?The finish I like best is the one similar the the blued barrelof a shotgun. Thanks, Standing by to hear from you. Bill >>>>>>> Normally I insist on only purchasing engines with the proper service records from owners that insisted on using distilled water in their cooling jackets . Otherwise , it's electrolysis time . I 've had to rod a few out with the a chunk of rebar( ribbed for her pleasure) Just so I can even start to cook it clean . Follow the links Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat Sep 20 12:30:43 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:30:43 EDT Subject: [SEL] Need Help to ID Wrench (OT) Message-ID: Hi, I picked up an adjustable wrench. It has "Made In England" on the handle and other side of the handle has the name "King Dick" in raised letters. Is "King Dick" a manufactures' name or what? Thanks, Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Sep 20 16:20:55 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:20:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Need Help to ID Wrench (OT) References: Message-ID: <00ef01c91b77$894812f0$12b40556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:30 PM Subject: [SEL] Need Help to ID Wrench (OT) > Hi, > I picked up an adjustable wrench. It has "Made In England" on the handle > and other side of the handle has the name "King Dick" in raised letters. Is > "King Dick" a manufactures' name or what? > Thanks, > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA 93454 Hi Francis, "King Dick" spanners are an old established English spanner company. The name seems to causes some amusement among Americans ! I see that they are now on sale in the USA, see http://mdmetric.com/prod/kingdick/products/kd_toolkits.pdf Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 20 16:39:25 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:39:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Help to ID Wrench (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Francis, If you have a King Dick you really don't need to brag about it. Just keep your mouth shut and be happy! (Those who really count will know without your having to brag about it!) Dave PS, The answer to your question is YES! On Sep 20, 2008, at 3:30 PM, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > Hi, > I picked up an adjustable wrench. It has "Made In England" on the > handle > and other side of the handle has the name "King Dick" in raised > letters. Is > "King Dick" a manufactures' name or what? > > Thanks, > > Francis Maciel From FRM8198 at aol.com Sat Sep 20 16:43:09 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:43:09 EDT Subject: [SEL] Need Help to ID Wrench (OT) Message-ID: I would like to thank everyone that answered my inquiry. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 In a message dated 9/20/2008 4:31:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dave.croft at ntlworld.com writes: Hi Francis, "King Dick" spanners are an old established English spanner company. The name seems to causes some amusement among Americans ! **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 20 16:54:12 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:54:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Need Help to ID Wrench (OT) References: Message-ID: <001a01c91b7c$2e647540$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi Francis Look here http://mdmetric.com/prod/kingdick/info/history.htm http://www.britishfasteners.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=BTF&Category_Code=410 Peter, Oz > Hi, > I picked up an adjustable wrench. It has "Made In England" on the handle > and other side of the handle has the name "King Dick" in raised letters. > Is > "King Dick" a manufactures' name or what? > > Thanks, > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA 93454 > > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 20 17:14:34 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:14:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Help to ID Wrench (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57787E2C-CFE1-4EB2-B5B8-BA3F9B2ECC42@alltel.net> Hi Francis, keep your powder dry as well! Dave On Sep 20, 2008, at 7:43 PM, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > I would like to thank everyone that answered my inquiry. > > > Francis Maciel From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Sat Sep 20 17:46:32 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:46:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 In-Reply-To: <04dd01c91af3$734274c0$0100000a@userf1715627ba> References: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com><001d01c91ace$ec38cb60$12b40556@intrepid> <48D47C7F.1010809@rustic-engines.com> <04dd01c91af3$734274c0$0100000a@userf1715627ba> Message-ID: <48D59968.6020705@rustic-engines.com> Thank you Barry and everybody else who offered assistance. My report is: I have never hit a Nut on the end of a shaft as hard as I hit this one and it was definitely a report. :-) Now to attempt to fit it to my Mk12. :-\ > http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/Phelon-m.jpg Cheers, Al Harris Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Barry Gorman wrote: > I have over thirty Villiers in most guises Seagull Outboard > Engines are villiers motors . > Undo The Nut (not me) A half turn And Give The Nut A sharp Rap With A > hammer, > Same goes to get the pulley off a victa mower < > BARRY GORMAN > GLORIOUS HUNTER VALLEY > NEW SOUTH WALES, 2320 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:30 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 > > >> I should have posted a photo Dave. My bad. >> >>> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/Picture%20005m.jpg >> The nut rests up against the flywheel, it is not an integral part of it. >> As you can see there is nowhere to get leverage on the flywheel (we know >> there must be though). >> It is not like your standard Villiers flywheel eh. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> > From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Sat Sep 20 17:57:41 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:57:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 References: <48D44CDD.7020904@rustic-engines.com><001d01c91ace$ec38cb60$12b40556@intrepid><48D47C7F.1010809@rustic-engines.com><04dd01c91af3$734274c0$0100000a@userf1715627ba> <48D59968.6020705@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <809D2157B87C4535AF93AA7F6BC4255D@YOURDA6F5028CB> That looks familiar. Cushman scooter engines used some Phelon magnetos. My 1953 Eagle had one. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "Barry Gorman" ; "SEL" Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 > Thank you Barry and everybody else who offered assistance. > > My report is: I have never hit a Nut on the end of a shaft as hard as I > hit this one and it was definitely a report. :-) > > Now to attempt to fit it to my Mk12. :-\ >> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/Phelon-m.jpg > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Barry Gorman wrote: >> I have over thirty Villiers in most guises Seagull Outboard >> Engines are villiers motors . >> Undo The Nut (not me) A half turn And Give The Nut A sharp Rap With A >> hammer, >> Same goes to get the pulley off a victa mower < >> BARRY GORMAN >> GLORIOUS HUNTER VALLEY >> NEW SOUTH WALES, 2320 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Villiers C12A - 04 - 09 >> >> >>> I should have posted a photo Dave. My bad. >>> >>>> http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/Picture%20005m.jpg >>> The nut rests up against the flywheel, it is not an integral part of it. >>> As you can see there is nowhere to get leverage on the flywheel (we know >>> there must be though). >>> It is not like your standard Villiers flywheel eh. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Al Harris >>> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz >>> >>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1682 - Release Date: 9/20/2008 10:24 AM From ilifa at internode.on.net Sat Sep 20 18:00:08 2008 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:00:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Need Help to ID Wrench (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7985DDA7-774A-4AE8-B89B-138337F6ECA9@internode.on.net> Francis said: > I picked up an adjustable wrench. It has "Made In England" on the > handle > and other side of the handle has the name "King Dick" in raised > letters. Is > "King Dick" a manufactures' name or what? Go to www.kingdicktools.co.uk/ Eric From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Sep 20 21:45:34 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:45:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Brass fitting info wanted in Oz Message-ID: <001a01c91ba4$e2cafc70$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi all Is there someone in Australia that sells 1/8" Brass Square Head Plugs like the one on the right side of second row of this link. http://plumbing.hardwarestore.com/52-330-brass-caps-and-plugs.aspx I want solid plugs, not cored or hollow. I also want brass 1/4" BSP or NPT Unions, third row middle photo below. http://plumbing.hardwarestore.com/52-330-brass-unions-and-couplings.aspx and 5/8" brass pipe, to thread 1/4" NPT or BSP, about 3 foot long. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Sep 21 07:26:23 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:26:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Brass fitting info wanted in Oz In-Reply-To: <001a01c91ba4$e2cafc70$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: Peter: If you don't mind purchasing the fittings from "The Colonies", go to HTTP://WWW.MCMASTER.COM And search for "Brass Pipe Fittings". Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Peter Lowe > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 11:46 PM > To: Oldengine.org; ATIS > Subject: [SEL] Brass fitting info wanted in Oz > > > Hi all > > Is there someone in Australia that sells 1/8" > Brass Square Head Plugs like > the one on the right side of second row of this link. > http://plumbing.hardwarestore.com/52-330-brass-cap > s-and-plugs.aspx > I want solid plugs, not cored or hollow. > > I also want brass 1/4" BSP or NPT Unions, third > row middle photo below. > http://plumbing.hardwarestore.com/52-330-brass-uni > ons-and-couplings.aspx > > and 5/8" brass pipe, to thread 1/4" NPT or BSP, > about 3 foot long. > > Regards > Peter Lowe From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Sep 21 14:09:54 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:09:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Brass fitting info wanted in Oz References: Message-ID: <000501c91c2e$6589c1d0$0200a8c0@PETER> Elden Yes had a look there, will try here first then they are my next step, I am a little fussy what type of fitting I use on this job. Thanks mate. Peter > Peter: > > If you don't mind purchasing the fittings from "The Colonies", go to > > HTTP://WWW.MCMASTER.COM > > And search for "Brass Pipe Fittings". > > Take care - Elden > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >> Behalf Of Peter Lowe >> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 11:46 PM >> To: Oldengine.org; ATIS >> Subject: [SEL] Brass fitting info wanted in Oz >> >> >> Hi all >> >> Is there someone in Australia that sells 1/8" >> Brass Square Head Plugs like >> the one on the right side of second row of this link. >> http://plumbing.hardwarestore.com/52-330-brass-cap >> s-and-plugs.aspx >> I want solid plugs, not cored or hollow. >> >> I also want brass 1/4" BSP or NPT Unions, third >> row middle photo below. >> http://plumbing.hardwarestore.com/52-330-brass-uni >> ons-and-couplings.aspx >> >> and 5/8" brass pipe, to thread 1/4" NPT or BSP, >> about 3 foot long. >> >> Regards >> Peter Lowe > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Sep 21 15:52:12 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:52:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning water hoppers? In-Reply-To: <004601c91b29$39e41db0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <127383.53005.qm@web59202.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <004601c91b29$39e41db0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <1222037532.48d6d01c1b801@webmail.city-net.com> ROFLMAO!!! Quoting Chuck Balyeat : > I 've had to rod a few out with the > a chunk of rebar( ribbed for her pleasure) From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Sep 21 18:50:30 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:50:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Clarendon Classic Pics Message-ID: Some pics from the rally held over the weekend: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc08/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 21 19:39:49 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:39:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Clarendon Classic Pics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <992BEB72-F7FB-4A22-A7C2-4F46D76ECE2F@alltel.net> GREAT pictures Patrick. THANKS!!!!!!! Dave PS, How do people get close enough to the engines to really see them with that wire all around everything? On Sep 21, 2008, at 9:50 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > Some pics from the rally held over the weekend: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc08/index.htm > > > Patrick M Livingstone From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Sep 21 19:37:08 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:37:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Clarendon Classic Pics In-Reply-To: <992BEB72-F7FB-4A22-A7C2-4F46D76ECE2F@alltel.net> References: <992BEB72-F7FB-4A22-A7C2-4F46D76ECE2F@alltel.net> Message-ID: We don't. I just spend hours in Photoshop drawing pictures of the engines from memory ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- GREAT pictures Patrick. THANKS!!!!!!! Dave PS, How do people get close enough to the engines to really see them with that wire all around everything? From ilifa at internode.on.net Sun Sep 21 20:12:51 2008 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:12:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Clarendon Classic Pics In-Reply-To: <992BEB72-F7FB-4A22-A7C2-4F46D76ECE2F@alltel.net> References: <992BEB72-F7FB-4A22-A7C2-4F46D76ECE2F@alltel.net> Message-ID: <4297A32B-40D7-4224-8B49-81FC23BB8178@internode.on.net> David said: > PS, How do people get close enough to the engines to really see them > with that wire all around everything? Well, David, engines in Australia are far too dangerous to let people near them, so they have to be fenced off. Mind you, it is quite safe to stand on the side of a road with cars going past at high speed. It's all a matter of bureaucracy and litigation. Eric From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Sun Sep 21 23:40:40 2008 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:40:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Clarendon Classic Pics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fantastic pics as usual Patrick. Thanks. RegardsLyndsay > From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:50:30 +1000> Subject: [SEL] 2008 Clarendon Classic Pics> > Some pics from the rally held over the weekend:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc08/index.htm> > > Patrick M Livingstone> Leichhardt NSW> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Net yourself a bargain. Find great deals on eBay. http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Frover%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Frover%2F1%2F705%2D10129%2D5668%2D323%2F4%3Fid%3D10&_t=763807330&_r=hotmailTAGLINES&_m=EXT From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Sep 22 04:35:02 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:35:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Message-ID: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the silver on antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some one that will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. thanks in advance, Curt Andree From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Sep 22 05:19:03 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:19:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors References: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000a01c91cad$66c84290$0200a8c0@PETER> Try Larry Evans, he might know a source. They had the mirrors on Mt Wilson coated but you could not afford that mate. They go through a special process $$$$$$$$$$ Peter > Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the silver > on > antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some one that > will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. > thanks in advance, > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Sep 22 06:08:08 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:08:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors In-Reply-To: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <1222088888.48d798b84d8bc@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Curt, Lotsa "mirror resilvering" hits on Google... http://www.make-stuff.com/formulas/mirrors.html http://www.mirrorresilvering.com/ http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/asktoh/question/0,,1192156,00.html http://chestofbooks.com/reference/Henley-s-20th-Century-Formulas-Recipes-Processes-Vol2/Resilvering-Mirrors.html http://www.hgtv.com/ah-moneysaving-repairs/mirror-re-silvering/index.html etc. etc. Including a lot of commercial resilverers. Have fun! See ya, Arnie Quoting cgandree at mchsi.com: > Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the silver on > antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some one that > will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Sep 22 07:46:51 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:46:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2008 Clarendon Classic Pics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Patrick! Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick M > Livingstone > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 08:51 PM > To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary > Engine Mailing List > Subject: [SEL] 2008 Clarendon Classic Pics > > > Some pics from the rally held over the weekend: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc08/index.htm > > > Patrick M Livingstone From tsmith at hal-pc.org Mon Sep 22 07:21:58 2008 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:21:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors In-Reply-To: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Curt, This is a relatively simple and painless process. Amateur astronomers that build their own Newtonian reflectors know it well. You should be able to Google this for information and if you come up empty, I can look in some of my ATM books for the process. It's not done as much any more because most people are aluminizing their mirrors, which isn't quite as brite/reflective but lasts longer with overcoating. The aluminizing process isn't a home shop process but is comercially available. The other option is local mirror/glass outfits do mirror refinishing. This might be a more cost effective way for you because the materials have to be purchased that will do a much larger area and your mirror is probably small. Tom On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:35:02 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the >silver on > antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some >one that > will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. > thanks in advance, > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lfevans at pacbell.net Mon Sep 22 08:29:21 2008 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:29:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors In-Reply-To: <000a01c91cad$66c84290$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <000a01c91cad$66c84290$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20080922082725.04413fc0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Hi.... Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mirror/ to see what is involved in handling a really big mirror. Larry At 05:19 AM 9/22/2008, you wrote: >Try Larry Evans, he might know a source. They had the mirrors on Mt Wilson >coated but you could not afford that mate. They go through a special process >$$$$$$$$$$ >Peter > > > > > > > Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the silver > > on > > antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some one that > > will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. > > thanks in advance, > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Sep 22 14:34:36 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:34:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors References: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com><000a01c91cad$66c84290$0200a8c0@PETER> <6.0.1.1.2.20080922082725.04413fc0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c91cfb$03308410$0200a8c0@PETER> Man, you Evan's boys have the ultimate playhouse/workshop up on that mountain ;-)) Peter, Oz > Hi.... > > Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mirror/ > to see what is involved in handling a really big mirror. > > Larry > > At 05:19 AM 9/22/2008, you wrote: >>Try Larry Evans, he might know a source. They had the mirrors on Mt Wilson >>coated but you could not afford that mate. They go through a special >>process >>$$$$$$$$$$ >>Peter >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the >> > silver >> > on >> > antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some one >> > that >> > will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. >> > thanks in advance, >> > Curt Andree >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Larry Evans > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Mon Sep 22 15:21:16 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:21:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors In-Reply-To: <000501c91cfb$03308410$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com><000a01c91cad$66c84290$0200a8c0@PETER> <6.0.1.1.2.20080922082725.04413fc0@pop.att.yahoo.com> <000501c91cfb$03308410$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <48D81A5C.2000603@rustic-engines.com> Your playpen I would *not* describe as "hell on earth". :-P Cheers, Al Harris Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Peter Lowe wrote: > Man, you Evan's boys have the ultimate playhouse/workshop up on that > mountain ;-)) > Peter, Oz > > > > >> Hi.... >> >> Take a look at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mirror/ >> to see what is involved in handling a really big mirror. >> >> Larry >> >> At 05:19 AM 9/22/2008, you wrote: >> >>> Try Larry Evans, he might know a source. They had the mirrors on Mt Wilson >>> coated but you could not afford that mate. They go through a special >>> process >>> $$$$$$$$$$ >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the >>>> silver >>>> on >>>> antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some one >>>> that >>>> will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. >>>> thanks in advance, >>>> Curt Andree >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> Larry Evans >> MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 22 15:33:23 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:33:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors References: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com><000a01c91cad$66c84290$0200a8c0@PETER><6.0.1.1.2.20080922082725.04413fc0@pop.att.yahoo.com> <000501c91cfb$03308410$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <000601c91d03$39aaebe0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> If you are on a budget , I redid one with "chrome" spray paint and it looks great . Has to be polished smooth first or nothoing will work right . Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Sep 22 15:47:24 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:47:24 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Message-ID: <092220082247.11145.48D8207B000E258300002B89219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Pete.........yes way out of my ball park!!!! Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:23:11 +0000 > Try Larry Evans, he might know a source. They had the mirrors on Mt Wilson > coated but you could not afford that mate. They go through a special process > $$$$$$$$$$ > Peter > > > > > > > Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the silver > > on > > antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some one that > > will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. > > thanks in advance, > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 22 16:47:51 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:47:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A good weekend Message-ID: <78D01AE8E1E9422BB793969852A549B7@PML> As well as a very successful rally for our club on the weekend I had two great moments. 1. I was handed the QLD Shipping records for the Austral Engines (a massive boost for the register). 2. I spoke to the guy who pulled the Columbus that I now own out of the shale mine where it was installed new. It was used to pump water out of the mine where they were digging up shale to produce shale oil and petroleum. This mine was the first in Australia to produce petroleum so there is a pretty good chance that my Columbus was the first engine to run on Australian made petroleum. I am going to organise a trip out to see where the Columbus came out of. Apparently it is a very difficulty to access place and getting the engine out (and in there in the first place) was quite a feat. I will leave a rally report for one of the other list members who were there. Perhaps one of them can explain the story of how Kerry became known as 'butter bum'...... Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Sep 22 18:35:00 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:35:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Message-ID: <092320080135.15494.48D847C40002713900003C86219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hey Arnie, Decided to send the worn out mirror to the guy at Reflections Again Mirror Resilvering. Very good price and fast turn around. Thank you very much for all your help. Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: fero_ah at city-net.com To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:13:17 +0000 > Hi Curt, > > Lotsa "mirror resilvering" hits on Google... > > http://www.make-stuff.com/formulas/mirrors.html > http://www.mirrorresilvering.com/ > http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/asktoh/question/0,,1192156,00.html > http://chestofbooks.com/reference/Henley-s-20th-Century-Formulas-Recipes-Process > es-Vol2/Resilvering-Mirrors.html > http://www.hgtv.com/ah-moneysaving-repairs/mirror-re-silvering/index.html > > etc. etc. Including a lot of commercial resilverers. > > Have fun! See ya, Arnie > > Quoting cgandree at mchsi.com: > > > Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the silver on > > antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some one that > > will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Sep 22 18:36:35 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:36:35 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Message-ID: <092320080136.18124.48D84823000C990C000046CC219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Chuck going to send it to Reflections Again Mirror Co. Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Chuck Balyeat" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:43:09 +0000 > If you are on a budget , I redid one with "chrome" spray paint and it > looks great . Has to be polished smooth first or nothoing will work right . > > > > > > > > Chuck Balyeat > http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Sep 22 18:38:50 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:38:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Message-ID: <092320080138.20074.48D848AA00094B8C00004E6A219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Larry, but this is only a 2 1/2 X 7" rear view car mirror. I am not looking for things in outer space. Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: Larry Evans To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:33:40 +0000 > Hi.... > > Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mirror/ > to see what is involved in handling a really big mirror. > > Larry > > At 05:19 AM 9/22/2008, you wrote: > >Try Larry Evans, he might know a source. They had the mirrors on Mt Wilson > >coated but you could not afford that mate. They go through a special process > >$$$$$$$$$$ > >Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the silver > > > on > > > antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some one that > > > will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. > > > thanks in advance, > > > Curt Andree > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Larry Evans > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Sep 22 18:39:55 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:39:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Message-ID: <092320080139.20808.48D848EB0005281200005148219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Tom, but going to send it off to a pro. In the long run will be better and cheaper. Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Tom Smith" To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:33:40 +0000 > Curt, > > This is a relatively simple and painless process. Amateur astronomers > that build their own Newtonian reflectors know it well. > > You should be able to Google this for information and if you come up > empty, I can look in some of my ATM books for the process. It's not > done as much any more because most people are aluminizing their > mirrors, which isn't quite as brite/reflective but lasts longer with > overcoating. The aluminizing process isn't a home shop process but is > comercially available. > > The other option is local mirror/glass outfits do mirror refinishing. > This might be a more cost effective way for you because the materials > have to be purchased that will do a much larger area and your mirror > is probably small. > > Tom > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:35:02 +0000 > cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > > Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the > >silver on > > antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some > >one that > > will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. > > thanks in advance, > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Sep 22 23:26:24 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:26:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A good weekend In-Reply-To: <78D01AE8E1E9422BB793969852A549B7@PML> References: <78D01AE8E1E9422BB793969852A549B7@PML> Message-ID: <1222151184.48d88c10aa133@webmail.city-net.com> Patrick, Jeeze what an awesome day!! What an information haul! Please tell us that you're not gonna leave us hanging as to Kerry's new nickname; "butter bum"? See ya, Arnie PS - The TRUTH about ol' "butter bum" has got to be far less horrific that what we've all begun to imagine. PPS - And I assume its far too much to ask for good ol' Kerry to speak up and defend himself? 8->> Quoting Patrick M Livingstone : > As well as a very successful rally for our club on the weekend I had two > great moments. > 1. I was handed the QLD Shipping records for the Austral Engines (a massive > boost for the register). > 2. I spoke to the guy who pulled the Columbus that I now own out of the > shale mine where it was installed new. It was used to pump water out of the > mine where they were digging up shale to produce shale oil and petroleum. > This mine was the first in Australia to produce petroleum so there is a > pretty good chance that my Columbus was the first engine to run on > Australian made petroleum. I am going to organise a trip out to see where > the Columbus came out of. Apparently it is a very difficulty to access place > and getting the engine out (and in there in the first place) was quite a > feat. > I will leave a rally report for one of the other list members who were > there. Perhaps one of them can explain the story of how Kerry became known > as 'butter bum'...... From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Sep 23 02:24:42 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:24:42 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080923110845.02b34208@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, I need to reproduce a brass spec. plate for a Fairbanks Morse "Jack of all Trades" for a local collector but have no idea of what it looks like or size of it. Can anyone help with good clear pics and possibly size & hole centres please ? On the subject of spec plates, I've been catching up on artwork for the last few weeks and am starting to etch a new batch tomorrow and will be catching up on quite a few outstanding orders (yours as well Luke but not yours yet Elden). If there is anyone else who is waiting for a plate and I have not contacted you off list in the last few weeks please give me a reminder "off list". Many thanks Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue Sep 23 07:02:41 2008 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:02:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors In-Reply-To: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010 CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <092220081135.16034.48D782E5000F367700003EA2219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20080923110247.747432282BA@md5.pennswoods.net> Curt your mention of the Hudson Wasp brought back many memories. We built a stock car back in the 60s with a jet or wasp engine [one with two carbs] was quite a runner. 8-) R Fink At 11:35 AM 9/22/2008 +0000, you wrote: >Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the silver on >antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some one that >will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. >thanks in advance, >Curt Andree >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1684 - Release Date: >9/22/2008 6:39 AM From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 23 06:01:20 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:01:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors References: <092320080136.18124.48D84823000C990C000046CC219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <002801c91d7c$7a0a37d0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I got the idea it was a 2 piece bucket headlight anyway , that would look like crap on a sidemirror ! > Thanks Chuck going to send it to Reflections Again Mirror Co. > Curt > >> If you are on a budget , I redid one with "chrome" spray paint and it >> looks great . Has to be polished smooth first or nothoing will work right >> . From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Sep 23 07:23:40 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:23:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20080923110845.02b34208@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: It depends on the type of plate you're talking about. I believe the early Jack of All Trades engines had a cast plate, while the later ones (and the replacement cylinders) had stamped plates. If you need one like the one on my Jack (take a look at the web page below), I can take a clear photo of it and email that and dimensions back to you. Just let me know. No problem on the wait for the plate for the Hoyt-Clagwell Engine Company plate. Take your time. Take care - Elden edurand at mchsi.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 04:25 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. > > > Hi Guys, > I need to reproduce a brass spec. plate > for a Fairbanks Morse > "Jack of all Trades" for a local collector but > have no idea of what it > looks like or size of it. > > Can anyone help with good clear pics and > possibly size & hole > centres please ? > > On the subject of spec plates, I've been > catching up on artwork > for the last few weeks and am starting to etch a > new batch tomorrow and > will be catching up on quite a few outstanding > orders (yours as well Luke > but not yours yet Elden). > > If there is anyone else who is waiting > for a plate and I have not > contacted you off list in the last few weeks > please give me a reminder "off > list". > > Many thanks > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Sep 23 07:25:50 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:25:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors In-Reply-To: <20080923110247.747432282BA@md5.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: Richard: Ahhh, yes! The big flathead 308 CI six cylinder. The one with the "export kit", which included the aluminum high compression head, the hot cam and the dual carbs. Head gaskets and valve guides are what I remember most about 'em. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Richard > Fink Sr > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 09:03 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors > > > Curt your mention of the Hudson Wasp brought back > many memories. We > built a stock car back in the 60s with a jet or > wasp engine [one with > two carbs] was quite a runner. 8-) > R Fink > > > At 11:35 AM 9/22/2008 +0000, you wrote: > >Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a > source to recoat the silver on > >antique mirrors. Has anybody done this > procedure or know of some one that > >will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in > my 52 Hudson Wasp. > >thanks in advance, > >Curt Andree > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG. > >Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1684 > - Release Date: > >9/22/2008 6:39 AM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Tue Sep 23 07:34:17 2008 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:34:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20080923110845.02b34208@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080923110845.02b34208@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <20D2C4AE027440CA916ECDCC7E29C0A1@Waynexp> Greetings Jerry, I have a 9 HP FM-T with a tag. It is a Special Electric but the tag should be the same I believe. I will be out to the Museum this weekend and will try and remember to take pictures for you if you would like. I also need a tag like this and have been going to contact you. Hopefully we can get together to make some of these. Let me know what you think. Cheers, Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:25 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. Hi Guys, I need to reproduce a brass spec. plate for a Fairbanks Morse "Jack of all Trades" for a local collector but have no idea of what it looks like or size of it. Can anyone help with good clear pics and possibly size & hole centres please ? On the subject of spec plates, I've been catching up on artwork for the last few weeks and am starting to etch a new batch tomorrow and will be catching up on quite a few outstanding orders (yours as well Luke but not yours yet Elden). If there is anyone else who is waiting for a plate and I have not contacted you off list in the last few weeks please give me a reminder "off list". Many thanks Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From imatowie at bigpond.com Tue Sep 23 08:00:09 2008 From: imatowie at bigpond.com (Laurie) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:00:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper RV References: <01d001c91afa$5c9a44d0$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f> <6f6025160809200234j1ce33034i6f8f756e66ab994f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00c101c91d8d$12bab530$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f> Thanks Peter- now I have to find someone with a remagnetiser! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooper RV > On 20/09/2008, Laurie wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> I've just returned to the hobby after quite a few years. I've got myself >> a >> Cooper RV, which has a couple of small problems. It has a very weak >> spark, >> which I've managed to trace to weak flywheel magnets. Is there a way of >> re-magnetising these? If not, would anyone have a spare they would be >> willing to part with? >> Also, does anyone have a manual they would be willing to copy? Naturally, >> all costs covered and a few beers as well. >> Thanks in advance- it's great to be back! >> >> Laurie in Melbourne. > > Laurie: > > Welcome back to the Lists! > > You can remagnetize flywheel magnets in situ, see the setup here: > > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/Mak7.htm > > The two magneto catalogs for service gear are in the top of this menu: > > http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/PetrolMag.htm > > You need to find someone with a remagnetiser now.... :-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Sep 23 09:24:33 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:24:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. In-Reply-To: <20D2C4AE027440CA916ECDCC7E29C0A1@Waynexp> Message-ID: <20080923162435.4AE974054A1@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi Wayne, My 3 horse electric,4horse, and 6hp. All take a etched plate with 3.10 x5.080 mounting centers. Do the larger T's use that size or a bigger plate? These are straight line measurements , not arched. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagn,415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Thackery Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:34 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. Greetings Jerry, I have a 9 HP FM-T with a tag. It is a Special Electric but the tag should be the same I believe. I will be out to the Museum this weekend and will try and remember to take pictures for you if you would like. I also need a tag like this and have been going to contact you. Hopefully we can get together to make some of these. Let me know what you think. Cheers, Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:25 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. Hi Guys, I need to reproduce a brass spec. plate for a Fairbanks Morse "Jack of all Trades" for a local collector but have no idea of what it looks like or size of it. Can anyone help with good clear pics and possibly size & hole centres please ? On the subject of spec plates, I've been catching up on artwork for the last few weeks and am starting to etch a new batch tomorrow and will be catching up on quite a few outstanding orders (yours as well Luke but not yours yet Elden). If there is anyone else who is waiting for a plate and I have not contacted you off list in the last few weeks please give me a reminder "off list". Many thanks Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Sep 23 11:18:06 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:18:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20080923110845.02b34208@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: I've just P.M.'d you a photo and dimensions. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 04:25 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. > > > Hi Guys, > I need to reproduce a brass spec. plate > for a Fairbanks Morse > "Jack of all Trades" for a local collector but > have no idea of what it > looks like or size of it. > > Can anyone help with good clear pics and > possibly size & hole > centres please ? > > On the subject of spec plates, I've been > catching up on artwork > for the last few weeks and am starting to etch a > new batch tomorrow and > will be catching up on quite a few outstanding > orders (yours as well Luke > but not yours yet Elden). > > If there is anyone else who is waiting > for a plate and I have not > contacted you off list in the last few weeks > please give me a reminder "off > list". > > Many thanks > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Sep 23 10:35:17 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:35:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Year ? Message-ID: <20080923.133520.884.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, Can anyone tell me the year of a 2 HP NOVO upright hopper cooled - Number 17708. Wendel's Notebook says anything before 40000 = July 30, 1918. I'd like to get a little more precise if possible. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ "People are certainly peculiar - they want the front of the bus, (_o_) the back of the church and the middle of the road." ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m7tDLCH6rxU0aR5BsICIQy6TRIaUMZSIv04ekgJ5bKbnrON/ From MaytagTwin at aol.com Tue Sep 23 10:41:36 2008 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:41:36 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors Message-ID: In a message dated 9/23/2008 8:31:50 AM Central Daylight Time, edurand at mchsi.com writes: Ahhh, yes! The big flathead 308 CI six cylinder. The one with the "export kit", which included the aluminum high compression head, the hot cam and the dual carbs. Head gaskets and valve guides are what I remember most about 'em. Take care - Elden That, and they had a back seat the size of a playground! Ron **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Sep 23 10:47:41 2008 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors In-Reply-To: <092320080138.20074.48D848AA00094B8C00004E6A219791332903010CD2079C080C 03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <092320080138.20074.48D848AA00094B8C00004E6A219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4519.165.206.180.28.1222192061.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com> There's an outfit over west that does classic car mirrors, etc. for less than a $20 bill as I recall. I looked it up last year to get the mirror for my Javelin redone - and preserve the glass markings in the process. You send them the mirror and they re-silver it. Now sure if I got the tip on the amcforum or googled it..... > Thanks Larry, but this is only a 2 1/2 X 7" rear view car mirror. I am > not > looking for things in outer space. > Curt > > > ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- > From: Larry Evans > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors > Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:33:40 +0000 > >> Hi.... >> >> Take a look at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/mirror/ >> to see what is involved in handling a really big mirror. >> >> Larry >> >> At 05:19 AM 9/22/2008, you wrote: >> >Try Larry Evans, he might know a source. They had the mirrors on Mt >> Wilson >> >coated but you could not afford that mate. They go through a special >> process >> >$$$$$$$$$$ >> >Peter >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hey guys sure could use some help on finding a source to recoat the >> silver >> > > on >> > > antique mirrors. Has anybody done this procedure or know of some >> one that >> > > will? Trying to restore the rear view mirror in my 52 Hudson Wasp. >> > > thanks in advance, >> > > Curt Andree >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > SEL mailing list >> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >SEL mailing list >> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> Larry Evans >> MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Sep 23 12:20:29 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:20:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ron: Of course, I wouldn't know anything about that. ;-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > MaytagTwin at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:42 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors > > > > In a message dated 9/23/2008 8:31:50 AM Central > Daylight Time, > edurand at mchsi.com writes: > > Ahhh, yes! The big flathead 308 CI six > cylinder. The one with the "export > kit", which included the aluminum high > compression head, the hot cam and the > dual carbs. Head gaskets and valve guides are > what I remember most about > 'em. > > Take care - Elden > > > That, and they had a back seat the size of a playground! > Ron From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue Sep 23 12:05:05 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:05:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_independant_harvester?= Message-ID: <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi, Is there anyone who has or knows of any information or dating lists for independent harvester engines. Thanks , Craig in Scotland From oldironnut at alltel.net Tue Sep 23 12:05:50 2008 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:05:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rock Crusher In-Reply-To: <20080923.133520.884.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20080923.133520.884.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Howdy all, My father-in-law, Roger, has found a New Holland #12 rock crusher that is about to go to the scrap yard. He will probably go to take a look at it tomorrow but here is the description that he has. It weighs 2700 pounds and the legs for the base are about 4 feet square, it has two, 3.5 to 4 foot flywheels with one of the flywheels being the drive pulley as well (it's about a 6 inch face) and the rock crusher hopper part is roughly 18 inches square. The guy is willing to hold onto it for a few days before it goes to the scrap yard and he wants $270 for it ($0.10/pound for cast iron scrap price). I assume something like this would be driven by a tractor so how big of a tractor would it take? Is anyone interested in this beast? If so we can get it and hold it until you can come and get it. If you are we probably need to act quickly. See ya', Mike ______________________ Michael Tucker 400 Sellers Mill Road Versailles, Kentucky 40383 859-879-2108 ______________________ From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 23 12:48:44 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:48:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rock Crusher In-Reply-To: References: <20080923.133520.884.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: There was a similar outfit on Harry's Classified page several days ago. See: http://www.enginads.com/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/14082/cat/all Dave On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:05 PM, Michael Tucker wrote: > Howdy all, > > My father-in-law, Roger, has found a New Holland #12 rock crusher that > is about to go to the scrap yard. He will probably go to take a look > at it tomorrow but here is the description that he has. It weighs > 2700 pounds and the legs for the base are about 4 feet square, it has > two, 3.5 to 4 foot flywheels with one of the flywheels being the drive > pulley as well (it's about a 6 inch face) and the rock crusher hopper > part is roughly 18 inches square. The guy is willing to hold onto it > for a few days before it goes to the scrap yard and he wants $270 for > it ($0.10/pound for cast iron scrap price). > > I assume something like this would be driven by a tractor so how big > of a tractor would it take? > > Is anyone interested in this beast? If so we can get it and hold it > until you can come and get it. If you are we probably need to act > quickly. > > See ya', > Mike From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 23 12:50:07 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:50:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam> independant harvester In-Reply-To: <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <4D220341-2A26-425F-A509-7703C5389067@alltel.net> Hi Craig, The answer to your question is "Yes." Dave On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:05 PM, craig morrison wrote: > Hi, > Is there anyone who has or knows of any information or > dating lists for independent harvester engines. > > Thanks , Craig in Scotland From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue Sep 23 12:58:39 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:58:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> independant harvester References: <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <4D220341-2A26-425F-A509-7703C5389067@alltel.net> Message-ID: <45A17929E61E480DA9B890951CBF81D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Dave, As always your ready with a sharp answer although it is usually the same one !! Craig P.S : Been through any wishy washys lately ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> independant harvester > Hi Craig, The answer to your question is "Yes." > Dave > > > > On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:05 PM, craig morrison wrote: > >> Hi, >> Is there anyone who has or knows of any information or >> dating lists for independent harvester engines. >> >> Thanks , Craig in Scotland > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Sep 23 14:03:10 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:03:10 EDT Subject: [SEL] A good weekend Message-ID: In a message dated 9/22/2008 7:52:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: I was handed the QLD Shipping records for the Austral Engines Patrick, That is just great that those records have been saved all these years! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Sep 23 14:19:13 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:19:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper RV References: <01d001c91afa$5c9a44d0$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f><6f6025160809200234j1ce33034i6f8f756e66ab994f@mail.gmail.com> <00c101c91d8d$12bab530$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f> Message-ID: <000901c91dc2$07085fa0$0200a8c0@PETER> An older auto electrican might have one, there are people who advertise in TOMM. Peter, Oz > Thanks Peter- now I have to find someone with a remagnetiser! > >> On 20/09/2008, Laurie wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> I've just returned to the hobby after quite a few years. I've got myself >>> a >>> Cooper RV, which has a couple of small problems. It has a very weak >>> spark, >>> which I've managed to trace to weak flywheel magnets. Is there a way of >>> re-magnetising these? If not, would anyone have a spare they would be >>> willing to part with? >>> Also, does anyone have a manual they would be willing to copy? >>> Naturally, >>> all costs covered and a few beers as well. >>> Thanks in advance- it's great to be back! >>> >>> Laurie in Melbourne. >> >> Laurie: >> >> Welcome back to the Lists! >> >> You can remagnetize flywheel magnets in situ, see the setup here: >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/Mak7.htm >> >> The two magneto catalogs for service gear are in the top of this menu: >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/PetrolMag.htm >> >> You need to find someone with a remagnetiser now.... :-)) >> >> Peter >> -- >> Peter A Forbes >> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 23 14:38:17 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:38:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam> independant harvester In-Reply-To: <45A17929E61E480DA9B890951CBF81D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <4D220341-2A26-425F-A509-7703C5389067@alltel.net> <45A17929E61E480DA9B890951CBF81D7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:58 PM, craig morrison wrote: > Dave, > Craig > P.S : Been through any wishy washys lately ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dave From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Sep 23 14:35:04 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:35:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper RV In-Reply-To: <000901c91dc2$07085fa0$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <01d001c91afa$5c9a44d0$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f><6f6025160809200234j1ce33034i6f8f756e66ab994f@mail.gmail.com> <00c101c91d8d$12bab530$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f> <000901c91dc2$07085fa0$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <48D96108.30809@rustic-engines.com> Or build your own? > http://www.ploughbooksales.com.au/005618.htm Cheers, Al Harris Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Peter Lowe wrote: > An older auto electrican might have one, there are people who advertise in > TOMM. > Peter, Oz > > > > >> Thanks Peter- now I have to find someone with a remagnetiser! >> > > >>> On 20/09/2008, Laurie wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> I've just returned to the hobby after quite a few years. I've got myself >>>> a >>>> Cooper RV, which has a couple of small problems. It has a very weak >>>> spark, >>>> which I've managed to trace to weak flywheel magnets. Is there a way of >>>> re-magnetising these? If not, would anyone have a spare they would be >>>> willing to part with? >>>> Also, does anyone have a manual they would be willing to copy? >>>> Naturally, >>>> all costs covered and a few beers as well. >>>> Thanks in advance- it's great to be back! >>>> >>>> Laurie in Melbourne. >>>> >>> Laurie: >>> >>> Welcome back to the Lists! >>> >>> You can remagnetize flywheel magnets in situ, see the setup here: >>> >>> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/Mak7.htm >>> >>> The two magneto catalogs for service gear are in the top of this menu: >>> >>> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/PetrolMag.htm >>> >>> You need to find someone with a remagnetiser now.... :-)) >>> >>> Peter >>> -- >>> Peter A Forbes >>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>> > From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Sep 23 15:06:33 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:06:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper RV References: <01d001c91afa$5c9a44d0$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f><6f6025160809200234j1ce33034i6f8f756e66ab994f@mail.gmail.com> <00c101c91d8d$12bab530$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f><000901c91dc2$07085fa0$0200a8c0@PETER> <48D96108.30809@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <002b01c91dc8$a43bb190$0200a8c0@PETER> There are plenty of web sites without buy books. Peter > Or build your own? > >> http://www.ploughbooksales.com.au/005618.htm > > Cheers, > > Al Harris > Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Peter Lowe wrote: >> An older auto electrican might have one, there are people who advertise >> in >> TOMM. >> Peter, Oz >> >> >> >> >>> Thanks Peter- now I have to find someone with a remagnetiser! >>> >> >> >>>> On 20/09/2008, Laurie wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> I've just returned to the hobby after quite a few years. I've got >>>>> myself >>>>> a >>>>> Cooper RV, which has a couple of small problems. It has a very weak >>>>> spark, >>>>> which I've managed to trace to weak flywheel magnets. Is there a way >>>>> of >>>>> re-magnetising these? If not, would anyone have a spare they would be >>>>> willing to part with? >>>>> Also, does anyone have a manual they would be willing to copy? >>>>> Naturally, >>>>> all costs covered and a few beers as well. >>>>> Thanks in advance- it's great to be back! >>>>> >>>>> Laurie in Melbourne. >>>>> >>>> Laurie: >>>> >>>> Welcome back to the Lists! >>>> >>>> You can remagnetize flywheel magnets in situ, see the setup here: >>>> >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/Mak7.htm >>>> >>>> The two magneto catalogs for service gear are in the top of this menu: >>>> >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/PetrolMag.htm >>>> >>>> You need to find someone with a remagnetiser now.... :-)) >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> -- >>>> Peter A Forbes >>>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>>> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Sep 23 15:49:42 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:49:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper RV In-Reply-To: <002b01c91dc8$a43bb190$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <01d001c91afa$5c9a44d0$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f><6f6025160809200234j1ce33034i6f8f756e66ab994f@mail.gmail.com> <00c101c91d8d$12bab530$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f><000901c91dc2$07085fa0$0200a8c0@PETER> <48D96108.30809@rustic-engines.com> <002b01c91dc8$a43bb190$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <48D97286.3020804@rustic-engines.com> I'm sure Laurie would appreciate a URL or two then. ;-) Cheers, Al Harris Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Peter Lowe wrote: > There are plenty of web sites without buy books. > Peter > > > > > >> Or build your own? >> >> >>> http://www.ploughbooksales.com.au/005618.htm >>> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Peter Lowe wrote: >> >>> An older auto electrican might have one, there are people who advertise >>> in >>> TOMM. >>> Peter, Oz >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Thanks Peter- now I have to find someone with a remagnetiser! >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>> On 20/09/2008, Laurie wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>> I've just returned to the hobby after quite a few years. I've got >>>>>> myself >>>>>> a >>>>>> Cooper RV, which has a couple of small problems. It has a very weak >>>>>> spark, >>>>>> which I've managed to trace to weak flywheel magnets. Is there a way >>>>>> of >>>>>> re-magnetising these? If not, would anyone have a spare they would be >>>>>> willing to part with? >>>>>> Also, does anyone have a manual they would be willing to copy? >>>>>> Naturally, >>>>>> all costs covered and a few beers as well. >>>>>> Thanks in advance- it's great to be back! >>>>>> >>>>>> Laurie in Melbourne. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Laurie: >>>>> >>>>> Welcome back to the Lists! >>>>> >>>>> You can remagnetize flywheel magnets in situ, see the setup here: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/Mak7.htm >>>>> >>>>> The two magneto catalogs for service gear are in the top of this menu: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/PetrolMag.htm >>>>> >>>>> You need to find someone with a remagnetiser now.... :-)) >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> -- >>>>> Peter A Forbes >>>>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>>>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>>>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Sep 23 16:08:52 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:08:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper RV References: <01d001c91afa$5c9a44d0$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f><6f6025160809200234j1ce33034i6f8f756e66ab994f@mail.gmail.com> <00c101c91d8d$12bab530$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f><000901c91dc2$07085fa0$0200a8c0@PETER><48D96108.30809@rustic-engines.com> <002b01c91dc8$a43bb190$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <003b01c91dd1$58aef080$0200a8c0@PETER> Hey Al, Try here: http://www.rake60.com/flywheel_magnet_recharger.htm Peter > There are plenty of web sites without buy books. > Peter > > > > >> Or build your own? >> >>> http://www.ploughbooksales.com.au/005618.htm >> >> Cheers, >> >> Al Harris >> Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz >> >> al.harris at rustic-engines.com >> >> >> >> Peter Lowe wrote: >>> An older auto electrican might have one, there are people who advertise >>> in >>> TOMM. >>> Peter, Oz >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Thanks Peter- now I have to find someone with a remagnetiser! >>>> >>> >>> >>>>> On 20/09/2008, Laurie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>> I've just returned to the hobby after quite a few years. I've got >>>>>> myself >>>>>> a >>>>>> Cooper RV, which has a couple of small problems. It has a very weak >>>>>> spark, >>>>>> which I've managed to trace to weak flywheel magnets. Is there a way >>>>>> of >>>>>> re-magnetising these? If not, would anyone have a spare they would be >>>>>> willing to part with? >>>>>> Also, does anyone have a manual they would be willing to copy? >>>>>> Naturally, >>>>>> all costs covered and a few beers as well. >>>>>> Thanks in advance- it's great to be back! >>>>>> >>>>>> Laurie in Melbourne. >>>>>> >>>>> Laurie: >>>>> >>>>> Welcome back to the Lists! >>>>> >>>>> You can remagnetize flywheel magnets in situ, see the setup here: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/Mak7.htm >>>>> >>>>> The two magneto catalogs for service gear are in the top of this menu: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/MagnetoMisc/PetrolMag.htm >>>>> >>>>> You need to find someone with a remagnetiser now.... :-)) >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> -- >>>>> Peter A Forbes >>>>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >>>>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >>>>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >>>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Tue Sep 23 17:10:21 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:10:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper RV In-Reply-To: <003b01c91dd1$58aef080$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <01d001c91afa$5c9a44d0$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f><6f6025160809200234j1ce33034i6f8f756e66ab994f@mail.gmail.com> <00c101c91d8d$12bab530$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f><000901c91dc2$07085fa0$0200a8c0@PETER><48D96108.30809@rustic-engines.com> <002b01c91dc8$a43bb190$0200a8c0@PETER> <003b01c91dd1$58aef080$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <48D9856D.1040407@rustic-engines.com> Hey Laurie, > Try here: > http://www.rake60.com/flywheel_magnet_recharger.htm > > Peter > > > :-))))))))) From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Tue Sep 23 17:29:12 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:29:12 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT recoating silver on mirrors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D989D8.4070607@optusnet.com.au> MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/23/2008 8:31:50 AM Central Daylight Time, > edurand at mchsi.com writes: > > Ahhh, yes! The big flathead 308 CI six cylinder.9snipped) > > That, and they had a back seat the size of a playground! > Ron > The back seat WAS a playground! JW? From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 22:44:31 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:44:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> independant harvester In-Reply-To: <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <6f6025160809232244i150d3baeuc102a942c9c241d8@mail.gmail.com> On 23/09/2008, craig morrison wrote: > Hi, > Is there anyone who has or knows of any information or dating lists > for independent harvester engines. > > Thanks , Craig in Scotland Do you mean International Harvester ? http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/EngineDating/IHC.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/EngineDating/IHC.htm The whole dating menu page is at: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/EngineDating/Techdata.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/EngineDating/Techdata.htm Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From kosh at ncweb.com Tue Sep 23 23:33:14 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:33:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Independant Harvester In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809232244i150d3baeuc102a942c9c241d8@mail.gmail.co m> References: <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20080924022446.03a61380@ncweb.com> Here is a 100 year old history mentioning the Independent Harvester Co of Plano IK. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ilkendal/TownHistories/Plano/HarvesterStory1908.htm Plano provided one of the components of International Harvester, but later Independent Harvester co was formed in Plano. Over fifty percent of the component parts of the International Harvester Corporation had its origin in Plano. The Marsh Harvester, the original of all present-day self-binders was born and perfected in Plano. C. W. and W. W. Marsh of DeKalb, Illinois conceived the idea in 1857. A dozen machines were built in 1860. The machines proved to be too frail for the harvest of that year and the Marsh Brothers were on the point of giving up, when they prevailed upon Lewis Steward, of Plano to come to DeKalb and inspect the machines. "The machine was operating in heavy grain," said C. W. Marsh, when interviewed recently for the Prospectus at his home in DeKalb. "It was behaving rather worse than usual. It only ran a few rods and broke down. However, it did good work as far as it went. One man, W. W. Marsh, was doing the binding and turning off good bundles, as the grain came to him from the elevator. We were in despair and wanted Mr. Steward to wait until we could fix the machine. 'Boys,' said he, 'you are all right. I see that the binding can be done and the machine cuts and delivers well. If it can be made to run ten rods, it can be made to run ten miles, and there is a man in Plano that can do it. Come down there with your machine, and I will guarantee that you will get one made that will stand up to its work,' This was a turning point in harvester history." In the winter of 1860-61 W. W. Marsh and Uncle John Hollister (the man) built at Plano a harvester that, beginning with the harvest of 1861, cut more grain than any other machine of its class ever did. Arrangements were made with Mr. Steward for manufacturing at Plano. Steward and Henning advanced the necessary money, and George Steward and C. W. Marsh were hired to run the shop. For many years Marsh Harvesters were manufactured and sold all over the world. The twine binder, the knotter and every important revolution in harvesting machinery took place in Plano. When in the early seventies the Harvester Company passed into the hands of E. H. Gammon and William Deering, it was the Marsh Harvester that was turned out by the thousands, the same machine that had its birth in this city. In 1880 William Deering moved to North Chicago and many of the Plano mechanics moved with him and entered the huge shops at Deering. However, the people of Plano revived the old plant and organized the Plano Steam Power Company. The company turned over the old Marsh Harvester buildings to the Plano Manufacturing Company. Mr. W. H. Jones took charge, and for eleven years, until 1902, the Plano Manufacturing Company led the world in harvesting machinery. How the Plano Manufacturing Company moved to West Pullman in 1902 is a matter of history. Even at this, the city of Plano did not flinch. They again took up the task of manufacturing and sold part of the factory buildings to the Plano Implement Company, manufactures of potato planters. This institution ran two years. The buildings, plant and machinery were then sold to A. H. Sears, and are now known as the Sears Manufacturing Works. Then the Earl Manufacturing Company was started. The organization of the great Independent Harvester Co. a year or two later virtually gave back to Plano all its ancient glories. It once more looms up as the greatest manufacturing city of its size in the United States. Another... http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33758 Dave Merchant At 01:44 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote: >On 23/09/2008, craig morrison wrote: > > Hi, > > Is there anyone who has or knows of any information or dating > lists > > for independent harvester engines. > > > > Thanks , Craig in Scotland > >Do you mean International Harvester ? > >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/EngineDating/IHC.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/EngineDating/IHC.htm > >The whole dating menu page is at: > >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/EngineDating/Techdata.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/EngineDating/Techdata.htm > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Sep 23 23:40:32 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:40:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] independant harvester In-Reply-To: <6f6025160809232244i150d3baeuc102a942c9c241d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <6f6025160809232244i150d3baeuc102a942c9c241d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222238432.48d9e0e09a418@webmail.city-net.com> Nope, Craig said Independent Harvester and he means Independent Harvester. His is a rare engine. I'll actually be astonished if any info turns up let alone a S/N list. See ya, Arnie PS - It was one of his Portland tresasures. Quoting Listerdiesel : > On 23/09/2008, craig morrison wrote: > > Is there anyone who has or knows of any information or dating > > lists for independent harvester engines. > > Do you mean International Harvester ? From kosh at ncweb.com Tue Sep 23 23:51:49 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:51:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Independeant Harvester In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20080924022446.03a61380@ncweb.com> References: <6f6025160809232244i150d3baeuc102a942c9c241d8@mail.gmail.co m> <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <88B8D524D7364AFAB5481437F04A55B0@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20080924025105.0d23b500@ncweb.com> errr...Plano IL = Illinois Dave Merchant At 02:33 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote: >Here is a 100 year old history mentioning the Independent Harvester Co of >Plano IK. > >http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ilkendal/TownHistories/Plano/HarvesterStory1908.htm > >Plano provided one of the components of International Harvester, >but later Independent Harvester co was formed in Plano. > >Over fifty percent of the component parts of the International Harvester >Corporation had its origin in Plano. The Marsh Harvester, the original of >all present-day self-binders was born and perfected in Plano. C. W. and W. >W. Marsh of DeKalb, Illinois conceived the idea in 1857. A dozen machines >were built in 1860. The machines proved to be too frail for the harvest of >that year and the Marsh Brothers were on the point of giving up, when they >prevailed upon Lewis Steward, of Plano to come to DeKalb and inspect the >machines. > >"The machine was operating in heavy grain," said C. W. Marsh, when >interviewed recently for the Prospectus at his home in DeKalb. "It was >behaving rather worse than usual. It only ran a few rods and broke down. >However, it did good work as far as it went. One man, W. W. Marsh, was >doing the binding and turning off good bundles, as the grain came to him >from the elevator. We were in despair and wanted Mr. Steward to wait until >we could fix the machine. 'Boys,' said he, 'you are all right. I see that >the binding can be done and the machine cuts and delivers well. If it can >be made to run ten rods, it can be made to run ten miles, and there is a >man in Plano that can do it. Come down there with your machine, and I will >guarantee that you will get one made that will stand up to its work,' This >was a turning point in harvester history." > >In the winter of 1860-61 W. W. Marsh and Uncle John Hollister (the man) >built at Plano a harvester that, beginning with the harvest of 1861, cut >more grain than any other machine of its class ever did. Arrangements were >made with Mr. Steward for manufacturing at Plano. Steward and Henning >advanced the necessary money, and George Steward and C. W. Marsh were hired >to run the shop. > >For many years Marsh Harvesters were manufactured and sold all over the >world. The twine binder, the knotter and every important revolution in >harvesting machinery took place in Plano. When in the early seventies the >Harvester Company passed into the hands of E. H. Gammon and William >Deering, it was the Marsh Harvester that was turned out by the thousands, >the same machine that had its birth in this city. In 1880 William Deering >moved to North Chicago and many of the Plano mechanics moved with him and >entered the huge shops at Deering. However, the people of Plano revived the >old plant and organized the Plano Steam Power Company. The company turned >over the old Marsh Harvester buildings to the Plano Manufacturing Company. >Mr. W. H. Jones took charge, and for eleven years, until 1902, the Plano >Manufacturing Company led the world in harvesting machinery. How the Plano >Manufacturing Company moved to West Pullman in 1902 is a matter of history. >Even at this, the city of Plano did not flinch. They again took up the task >of manufacturing and sold part of the factory buildings to the Plano >Implement Company, manufactures of potato planters. This institution ran >two years. The buildings, plant and machinery were then sold to A. H. >Sears, and are now known as the Sears Manufacturing Works. Then the Earl >Manufacturing Company was started. The organization of the great >Independent Harvester Co. a year or two later virtually gave back to Plano >all its ancient glories. It once more looms up as the greatest >manufacturing city of its size in the United States. > >Another... > >http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33758 > >Dave Merchant > > >At 01:44 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote: > >On 23/09/2008, craig morrison wrote: > > > Hi, > > > Is there anyone who has or knows of any information or dating > > lists > > > for independent harvester engines. > > > > > > Thanks , Craig in Scotland > > > >Do you mean International Harvester ? > > > >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/EngineDating/IHC.htm > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/EngineDating/IHC.htm > > > >The whole dating menu page is at: > > > >http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/EngineDating/Techdata.htm > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/EngineDating/Techdata.htm > > > >Peter > >-- > >Peter A Forbes > >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > >http://stationary-engine.co.uk > >http://www.oldengine.co.uk > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Dave Merchant >kosh at nesys.com >nesys_com at ameritech.net >dmerchant at layerzero.com > >http://www.nesys.com >http://www.nesys.org >YouTube: SteamCrane > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Wed Sep 24 09:20:21 2008 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:20:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. In-Reply-To: <20080923162435.4AE974054A1@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20D2C4AE027440CA916ECDCC7E29C0A1@Waynexp> <20080923162435.4AE974054A1@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <1F41DACD8BD94EB4AB0A96A335EA2B9A@Waynexp> Greetings Jimmy, It appears that they all take the same size tag. I measure the holes on my 12 HP Electric and it measures the same as the others you have posted. Cheers, Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:25 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. Hi Wayne, My 3 horse electric,4horse, and 6hp. All take a etched plate with 3.10 x5.080 mounting centers. Do the larger T's use that size or a bigger plate? These are straight line measurements , not arched. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagn,415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Thackery Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:34 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. Greetings Jerry, I have a 9 HP FM-T with a tag. It is a Special Electric but the tag should be the same I believe. I will be out to the Museum this weekend and will try and remember to take pictures for you if you would like. I also need a tag like this and have been going to contact you. Hopefully we can get together to make some of these. Let me know what you think. Cheers, Wayne A Thackery Keizer, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:25 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Help needed FM Jack of all Trades 9 H.P. Hi Guys, I need to reproduce a brass spec. plate for a Fairbanks Morse "Jack of all Trades" for a local collector but have no idea of what it looks like or size of it. Can anyone help with good clear pics and possibly size & hole centres please ? On the subject of spec plates, I've been catching up on artwork for the last few weeks and am starting to etch a new batch tomorrow and will be catching up on quite a few outstanding orders (yours as well Luke but not yours yet Elden). If there is anyone else who is waiting for a plate and I have not contacted you off list in the last few weeks please give me a reminder "off list". Many thanks Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Sep 24 11:58:53 2008 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:58:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rock Crusher In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sounds like a good deal to me. This machine sounds similar to the one used at the Pioneer Engineer's show in Rushville, IN. They ran the crusher with a Farmall regular this year and it was not working hard at all. I think that a stationary engine could probably run a crusher like this especially if fed slowly. Rock crushers make a neat demonstration - much more interesting than seeing an engine sitting their popping on occasion.> > Message: 8> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:05:50 -0400> From: Michael Tucker > Subject: [SEL] Rock Crusher> To: The SEL email discussion list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes> > Howdy all,> > My father-in-law, Roger, has found a New Holland #12 rock crusher that > is about to go to the scrap yard. He will probably go to take a look > at it tomorrow but here is the description that he has. It weighs > 2700 pounds and the legs for the base are about 4 feet square, it has > two, 3.5 to 4 foot flywheels with one of the flywheels being the drive > pulley as well (it's about a 6 inch face) and the rock crusher hopper > part is roughly 18 inches square. The guy is willing to hold onto it > for a few days before it goes to the scrap yard and he wants $270 for > it ($0.10/pound for cast iron scrap price).> > I assume something like this would be driven by a tractor so how big > of a tractor would it take?> > Is anyone interested in this beast? If so we can get it and hold it > until you can come and get it. If you are we probably need to act > quickly.> > See ya',> Mike> ______________________> Michael Tucker> 400 Sellers Mill Road> Versailles, Kentucky 40383> 859-879-2108 _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From glenn.karch at att.net Wed Sep 24 13:27:51 2008 From: glenn.karch at att.net (Glenn Karch) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Rock Crusher Message-ID: <800644.22871.qm@web83716.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Andy, etc.\\ ? I think we should go for it. ? Glenn ----- Original Message ---- From: Andy Glines To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:58:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Rock Crusher Sounds like a good deal to me.? This machine sounds similar to the one used at the Pioneer Engineer's show in Rushville, IN.? They ran the crusher with a Farmall regular this year and it was not working hard at all.? I think that a stationary engine could probably run a crusher like this especially if fed slowly.? Rock crushers make a neat demonstration - much more interesting than seeing an engine sitting their popping on occasion.> > Message: 8> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:05:50 -0400> From: Michael Tucker > Subject: [SEL] Rock Crusher> To: The SEL email discussion list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes> > Howdy all,> > My father-in-law, Roger, has found a New Holland #12 rock crusher that > is about to go to the scrap yard. He will probably go to take a look > at it tomorrow but here is the description that he has. It we! ighs > 2700 pounds and the legs for the base are about 4 feet square, it has > two, 3.5 to 4 foot flywheels with one of the flywheels being the drive > pulley as well (it's about a 6 inch face) and the rock crusher hopper > part is roughly 18 inches square. The guy is willing to hold onto it > for a few days before it goes to the scrap yard and he wants $270 for > it ($0.10/pound for cast iron scrap price).> > I assume something like this would be driven by a tractor so how big > of a tractor would it take?> > Is anyone interested in this beast? If so we can get it and hold it > until you can come and get it. If you are we probably need to act > quickly.> > See ya',> Mike> ______________________> Michael Tucker> 400 Sellers Mill Road> Versailles, Kentucky 40383> 859-879-2108 _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Wed Sep 24 15:13:11 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:13:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] independant harvester Message-ID: <4C22560069F547078F09683DA0213EFE@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> As Arnie said it is INDEPENDENT HARVESTER that I meant and not International Harvester,as I have the 100 years of IHC as well as many dating lists for them. So if anyone has any information of any kind on INDEPENDENT HARVESTER I would be very grateful,also is there anyone reproducing decals for them??(I think that I may have seen some in the book store at Baraboo??) Thanks , Craig in Scotland. P.S; Arnie, like you I think it could be a engine of which there may not be a lot of information P.P.S; I should have said that it is a type "C" push rod version From stevebarr at ameritech.net Wed Sep 24 16:44:41 2008 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] independant harvester In-Reply-To: <4C22560069F547078F09683DA0213EFE@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <228384.60934.qm@web82004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Craig I am sending you off list 2 pages from an Independent Harvester catalog. It covers the 1 3/4 with little information. Later, They rerated it to a 2hp. The decal also changed from a script to a block letter format. >From our knowledge in the area, it was the only engine that they built in Plano, IL. The 3hp rocker arm version and 4hp Sideshaft that I have were built by Rockford (later Emerson Brantingham) and sold by Independent Harvester. There is a likeness of the Independent 1 3/4 to an Emerson as to the basic block, but that is where it seems to end. I also have an older catalog that has an image of an Independent Harvester inverted vertical that has yet to be identified. I am also checking on Decals for you. Steve --- On Wed, 9/24/08, craig morrison wrote: > From: craig morrison > Subject: [SEL] independant harvester > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 5:13 PM > As Arnie said it is INDEPENDENT HARVESTER that I meant and > not International Harvester,as I have the 100 years of IHC > as well as many dating lists for them. > So if anyone has any information of any kind on > INDEPENDENT HARVESTER I would be very grateful,also is > there anyone reproducing decals for them??(I think that I > may have seen some in the book store at Baraboo??) > > > Thanks , Craig in Scotland. > > P.S; Arnie, like you I think it could be a engine of which > there may not be a lot of information > P.P.S; I should have said that it is a type "C" > push rod version From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Sep 25 13:57:30 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:57:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] Door lock help OT Message-ID: Any door lock mechanics out there? I need help in the removal of an old Sargent exterior door lock. Contact off list. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Sep 25 14:02:44 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:02:44 +0200 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Motherboards - Warning - Do Not buy "Biostar" Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080925223100.00beb1c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Sorry for the "off topic" but I've gotta rant to someone about this - and you're it. You may remember that my property was struck by a pretty severe lightning strike in early January. I had to rebuild my computer and various other things. Well here's my experience - I was pretty broke at the time and bought a low priced motherboard from the "local" computer shop. In the past I've always gone for the best that I could afford but this time there were "financial constraints" and I bought a "BioStar Motherboard". WRONG MOVE - I had endless problems getting it going - it eventually took over a month to get my system back to "working condition". Most of the delay was due to this piece of rubbish BIOSTAR motherboard that I bought. I run a "Dual boot" system because some of my software only runs properly on Windows 98. The specs on this board guaranteed Win 98 compatibility. NOT SO - it did not support USB in Win98 -(all O.K. in Win 2000.) and various other problems (too many to mention). BIOS flashes and upgrades made no difference. Well - 9 months down the line and plenty of problems later - it has also blown my laser printer (Samsung ML1520). Today I went and bought a new Laser printer and it's screwed that one as well. I'm just writing this letter because Google seems to index these lists quite well and I think I should put this on record. DO NOT EVER BUY A "BIOSTAR" MOTHERBOARD - EVEN IF THE DEALER PAYS YOU TO TAKE IT - MINE IS RUBBISH AND THE DEALER "MATRIX COMPUTERS, SOUTH AFRICA' ARE NO HELP WHATSOEVER. O.K. End of rant. Apologies - it boils down to "you get what you pay for". "Pay peanuts - you get monkeys". Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Sep 25 15:37:24 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:37:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Motherboards - Warning - Do Not buy "Biostar" In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20080925223100.00beb1c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: Jerry: Rant received and understood! Sorry about your problems. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Jerry Evans > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 04:03 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Motherboards - Warning - Do > Not buy "Biostar" From fanmanj4 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 18:47:50 2008 From: fanmanj4 at yahoo.com (Jay Bernard) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Waukesha XAH manifold and parts Message-ID: <979093.63456.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Evening all, I'm looking for a Manifold and gasket set for a Waukesha XAH engine. It's on a 30's -40's vintage Ingersoll Rand portable compressor. It's the starting compressor for my?engine club's 40hp St.Mary's?HVID oil engine. The present one has 6-7 large holes in it. I'm gonna attempt to get it welded tomorrow, but I'd really like to get one that's solid. I'd also like to find a?Starter for this engine, as swinging that crank gets kinda tiring after a while... ?Jay M Bernard Thibodaux, LA From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Sep 25 20:37:41 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:37:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Anyone in Oz want 1/8" brass square plugs? Engines on topic Message-ID: <000301c91f89$3b07d740$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi all Due to me not being able to find a source in Australia, unless someone can step in now and tell me, I am buying in from the USA 1/8" Square Head Brass Plugs, is there anyone interested in any before I place my order on Monday. Have a look here: http://www.thefind.com/query.php?query=1%2F8+brass+square+head+plug Not sure if I will go for the second on top row or last on bottom row. Let me know ASAP. The cost will be at cost, plus the average of postage and MCard fees and then post to you. I might buy a swag of them and Ebay the rest. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Sep 25 20:59:25 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:59:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Anyone in Oz want 1/8" brass square plugs? Engines on topic Message-ID: <000c01c91f8c$444d9f30$0200a8c0@PETER> By the way, these are NPT and 1 tpi difference to BSP(28tpi), easy to run an NPT(27tpi) tap into thread though. Does anyone know if 1/4" BSP or NPT square head brass plugs are available here in Oz. I need to know not guess please. Blackwoods do not have them as far as I can see. Regards Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Anyone in Oz want 1/8" brass square plugs? Engines on topic > Hi all > Due to me not being able to find a source in Australia, unless someone can > step in now and tell me, I am buying in from the USA 1/8" Square Head > Brass Plugs, is there anyone interested in any before I place my order on > Monday. > Have a look here: > http://www.thefind.com/query.php?query=1%2F8+brass+square+head+plug > > Not sure if I will go for the second on top row or last on bottom row. > > Let me know ASAP. > The cost will be at cost, plus the average of postage and MCard fees and > then post to you. > I might buy a swag of them and Ebay the rest. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Sep 26 03:04:20 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:04:20 +1000 Subject: [SEL] ABC TV now, engine & tractors Message-ID: <000301c91fbf$3ef8b0f0$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi Aussies ON ABC TV Collectors that is on NOW, there are engines and tractors. 8.04PM Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Sep 26 03:34:16 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:34:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] ABC TV now, engine & tractors Message-ID: <001101c91fc3$6d657820$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi All I guess a few minutes notice was not enough ;-)) It was on Dardanup Hertitage Park 600Km south of Perth. http://www.dardanupheritagepark.com.au/ Next week ABC Collectors has a guy with around 90 early tractors, ABC1 - TV 8pm Peter, Oz > Hi Aussies > > ON ABC TV Collectors that is on NOW, there are engines and tractors. > 8.04PM > > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Sep 26 04:15:35 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:15:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Kelley & Lewis Mark IV help Message-ID: <002c01c91fc9$32ebc6d0$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi All Does anyone in Oz have a Kelley & Lewis Mark IV engine? http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/kelly&lewis.htm I need the fuel tank measurements so I can make one or a photo. I found the right size muffler tube from a local garage but I have never seen a tank. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Fri Sep 26 04:23:00 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:23:00 +0800 Subject: [SEL] ABC TV now, engine & tractors In-Reply-To: <001101c91fc3$6d657820$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <001101c91fc3$6d657820$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <48DCC614.5010107@optusnet.com.au> === Thanks, Peter, but you were not too late for us in WA. (2 hours time difference). I'll be watching. Been to Dardanup Park, well worth the trip across here to see it if you don't mind a bit of a drive! (Actually, about 200 km) But then, I guess you will all be here for the NHMA National Rally in 2011? We are well into planning for this now. JW? === Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi All > I guess a few minutes notice was not enough ;-)) > It was on Dardanup Hertitage Park 600Km south of Perth. > http://www.dardanupheritagepark.com.au/ > > Next week ABC Collectors has a guy with around 90 early tractors, ABC1 - TV > 8pm > > Peter, Oz > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 26 04:54:22 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 07:54:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Waukesha XAH manifold and parts In-Reply-To: <979093.63456.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <979093.63456.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60AB0050-FF04-4697-B27E-2837AB47DE4E@alltel.net> Hi Jay, Have you tried http://www.waukeshaengine.com/ Probably worth at least a phone call. Dave On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:47 PM, Jay Bernard wrote: > Evening all, > I'm looking for a Manifold and gasket set for a Waukesha XAH engine. > It's on a 30's -40's vintage Ingersoll Rand portable compressor. > It's the starting compressor for my engine club's 40hp St.Mary's > HVID oil engine. The present one has 6-7 large holes in it. I'm > gonna attempt to get it welded tomorrow, but I'd really like to get > one that's solid. I'd also like to find a Starter for this engine, > as swinging that crank gets kinda tiring after a while... > Jay M Bernard > Thibodaux, LA From jthall at worldnet.att.net Fri Sep 26 05:44:34 2008 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:44:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Waukesha XAH manifold and parts References: <979093.63456.qm@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002001c91fd5$a1b07140$0ef04c0c@D48VHZ61> For gaskets try; Tom Underwood in Kansas 785-749-5231 Also search the net for Olsons Gaskets in Washington state. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Bernard" To: "SEL" Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Waukesha XAH manifold and parts Evening all, I'm looking for a Manifold and gasket set for a Waukesha XAH engine. It's on a 30's -40's vintage Ingersoll Rand portable compressor. It's the starting compressor for my engine club's 40hp St.Mary's HVID oil engine. The present one has 6-7 large holes in it. I'm gonna attempt to get it welded tomorrow, but I'd really like to get one that's solid. I'd also like to find a Starter for this engine, as swinging that crank gets kinda tiring after a while... Jay M Bernard Thibodaux, LA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Sep 26 09:13:20 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:13:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Anyone in Oz want 1/8" brass square plugs? Engines on topic In-Reply-To: <000301c91f89$3b07d740$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: Peter: I'm not sure about the second plug you are looking at. First, the thread is called "IPT" which I'm not familiar with. Second, it is a cored plug and I believe you wanted a solid one. The first one, "Square Head Plug Fittings - Bronze, NPT PBP18 -- 1/8 inch NPT, Brass" except for it being bronze (it'll have an "antique" look) is what I'd order if I were doing it. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Peter Lowe > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:38 PM > To: ATIS; Oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Anyone in Oz want 1/8" brass > square plugs? Engines on > topic > > > Hi all > Due to me not being able to find a source in > Australia, unless someone can > step in now and tell me, I am buying in from the > USA 1/8" Square Head Brass > Plugs, is there anyone interested in any before I > place my order on Monday. > Have a look here: > http://www.thefind.com/query.php?query=1%2F8+brass +square+head+plug From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Sep 26 15:40:09 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:40:09 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Kelley & Lewis Mark IV help References: <002c01c91fc9$32ebc6d0$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: Yes Peter ,at the moment rebuilding it . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: [SEL] Kelley & Lewis Mark IV help > Hi All > > Does anyone in Oz have a Kelley & Lewis Mark IV engine? > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/kelly&lewis.htm > I need the fuel tank measurements so I can make one or a photo. I found > the > right size muffler tube from a local garage but I have never seen a tank. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Sep 26 21:54:19 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:54:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OFF List for a while, death in family. Message-ID: <002201c9205d$1a55d590$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi all Anyone answering any questions that I have asked over the last few days please reply when you get time. I will be off air for a few days as Kaye's Mum passed away this morning peacefully in Kaye's arms. If only we could all go that way. She is absolutely devastated as it is not only here Mum but her best friend, they did everything together. Regards Peter, Oz From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Sat Sep 27 04:08:54 2008 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:08:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] ABC TV now, engine & tractors References: <001101c91fc3$6d657820$0200a8c0@PETER> <48DCC614.5010107@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <006001c92091$6e2c17e0$0201010a@JBCooper> Hi Jack, Thanks for the ABC information. But I am at a loss to understand how you can be planning the 2011 National Rally when the location will not be decided until the general meeting at Murray Bridge next year. John, Bega N.S.W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ABC TV now, engine & tractors === Thanks, Peter, but you were not too late for us in WA. (2 hours time difference). I'll be watching. Been to Dardanup Park, well worth the trip across here to see it if you don't mind a bit of a drive! (Actually, about 200 km) But then, I guess you will all be here for the NHMA National Rally in 2011? We are well into planning for this now. JW? === Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi All > I guess a few minutes notice was not enough ;-)) > It was on Dardanup Hertitage Park 600Km south of Perth. > http://www.dardanupheritagepark.com.au/ > > Next week ABC Collectors has a guy with around 90 early tractors, ABC1 - > TV > 8pm > > Peter, Oz > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1691 - Release Date: 9/25/2008 7:23 PM From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Sep 27 04:30:29 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:30:29 +0800 Subject: [SEL] ABC TV now, engine & tractors References: <001101c91fc3$6d657820$0200a8c0@PETER><48DCC614.5010107@optusnet.com.au> <006001c92091$6e2c17e0$0201010a@JBCooper> Message-ID: <9D184110296A469FAFA4A54B4D0CCC99@your9e74d7efa7> I think you do not understand what Jack has said . Is it not prudent to plan even before a decision is made? It is called a SUBMISSION and is put forward hopefully in the ''Plan '' being approved .Is that clear enough? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Beryl Cooper" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ABC TV now, engine & tractors > Hi Jack, > Thanks for the ABC information. But I am at a loss to understand how you > can > be planning the 2011 National Rally when the location will not be decided > until the general meeting at Murray Bridge next year. > John, > Bega N.S.W. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 9:23 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] ABC TV now, engine & tractors > > > > === > Thanks, Peter, but you were not too late for us in WA. (2 hours time > difference). I'll be watching. > > Been to Dardanup Park, well worth the trip across here to see it if you > don't mind a bit of a drive! (Actually, about 200 km) > > But then, I guess you will all be here for the NHMA National Rally in > 2011? We are well into planning for this now. > > JW? > === > > Peter Lowe wrote: >> Hi All >> I guess a few minutes notice was not enough ;-)) >> It was on Dardanup Hertitage Park 600Km south of Perth. >> http://www.dardanupheritagepark.com.au/ >> >> Next week ABC Collectors has a guy with around 90 early tractors, ABC1 - >> TV >> 8pm >> >> Peter, Oz >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1691 - Release Date: 9/25/2008 > 7:23 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sat Sep 27 07:32:35 2008 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:32:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OFF List for a while, death in family. In-Reply-To: <002201c9205d$1a55d590$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <002201c9205d$1a55d590$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <20080927113238.95ADD228337@md5.pennswoods.net> Our prayers be with you and family Peter R Fink PA At 02:54 PM 9/27/2008 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all >Anyone answering any questions that I have asked over the last few days >please reply when you get time. > >I will be off air for a few days as Kaye's Mum passed away this morning >peacefully in Kaye's arms. If only we could all go that way. >She is absolutely devastated as it is not only here Mum but her best friend, >they did everything together. > >Regards >Peter, Oz > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.1/1688 - Release Date: >9/24/2008 6:29 AM From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Sat Sep 27 05:30:39 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:30:39 +0800 Subject: [SEL] ABC TV now, engine & tractors In-Reply-To: <006001c92091$6e2c17e0$0201010a@JBCooper> References: <001101c91fc3$6d657820$0200a8c0@PETER> <48DCC614.5010107@optusnet.com.au> <006001c92091$6e2c17e0$0201010a@JBCooper> Message-ID: <48DE276F.8020604@optusnet.com.au> === G'day John. You are correct, of course. Should have said that lots of planning are going into preparing our submission. As we were taught in Training College, "Remember the 6 Ps" (Proper Preparation Prevents Pi** Poor Performance) See you here! JW? === John & Beryl Cooper wrote: > Hi Jack, > Thanks for the ABC information. But I am at a loss to understand how you can > be planning the 2011 National Rally when the location will not be decided > until the general meeting at Murray Bridge next year. > John, > Bega N.S.W > From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Sep 27 08:00:24 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:00:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF List for a while, death in family. In-Reply-To: <002201c9205d$1a55d590$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: Peter: My heart goes out to Kaye and you over the loss of her Mom. You are right - we should all go that way. Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Peter Lowe > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:54 PM > To: Oldengine.org; ATIS > Subject: [SEL] OFF List for a while, death in family. > > > Hi all > Anyone answering any questions that I have asked > over the last few days > please reply when you get time. > > I will be off air for a few days as Kaye's Mum > passed away this morning > peacefully in Kaye's arms. If only we could all > go that way. > She is absolutely devastated as it is not only > here Mum but her best friend, > they did everything together. > > Regards > Peter, Oz From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 27 07:21:08 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:21:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OFF List for a while, death in family. In-Reply-To: <002201c9205d$1a55d590$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <002201c9205d$1a55d590$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Tell Kaye that she (and you) are in my thoughts! Dave On Sep 27, 2008, at 12:54 AM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi all > Anyone answering any questions that I have asked over the last few > days > please reply when you get time. > > I will be off air for a few days as Kaye's Mum passed away this > morning > peacefully in Kaye's arms. If only we could all go that way. > She is absolutely devastated as it is not only here Mum but her best > friend, > they did everything together. > > Regards > Peter, Oz From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 27 21:08:19 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:08:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OFF List for a while, death in family. References: <002201c9205d$1a55d590$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: Peter I am so sorry to hear of the passing of Kaye's Mother. I was at my Mother's bedside when she passed away but I cannot even imagine what it would have been like to have been holding her in my arms when she passed away. My prayer will be that God will comfort her and all of the family during these difficult times. Ours prayers and thoughts are with you, Kaye and the family Peter. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "Oldengine.org" ; "ATIS" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:54 PM Subject: [SEL] OFF List for a while, death in family. > Hi all > Anyone answering any questions that I have asked over the last few days > please reply when you get time. > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 28 18:46:57 2008 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:46:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. Computer Issue - Flash Player Message-ID: I need some help regarding my flash player if there is someone familiar with them. Thanks, Paul From endacomm10 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 20:16:56 2008 From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. Computer Issue - Flash Player In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <789254.53318.qm@web51405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Problem as in ? ? Include a bit more detail and I can probably help. It IS my chosen profession. ?PC-Repair technician 'IN GOD WE TRUST' --- On Sun, 9/28/08, Paul Maples wrote: From: Paul Maples Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. Computer Issue - Flash Player To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:46 PM I need some help regarding my flash player if there is someone familiar with them. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 12:14:33 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:14:33 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Website Revisions Message-ID: <6f6025160809301214o3c1f42a2xd64d052bb66bdf16@mail.gmail.com> We are making revisions to the main menu page and the siting of the Portland and Buckley Video clips on both our main websites. While this is going on, there will be some files that will not work anymore as their url will have changed. There will be a new section at the top of the main menu which will give access to the latest (Buckley & Portland) show menus and there will be an icon for the main trip menu, which will save you scrolling right down the menu page for it. Hope to have it all done tonight. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Sep 30 13:59:51 2008 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:59:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild Message-ID: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> Hi Folks This is not strictly an old engine, but it certainly is interesting old iron. Jim bought a large deep well pump from a former list member, Roland Craven, about 8 years ago. Finally enough things moved in the garden to make space to rebuild it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/dando/dando.htm As garden ornaments go, it's a lot better than a gnome with a fishing rod! Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From bee_keeper at clearwire.net Tue Sep 30 14:36:14 2008 From: bee_keeper at clearwire.net (Lew Best) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:36:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] possibly OT scrap prices Message-ID: <001e01c92344$92431d30$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Hey guys Anyone checked scrap prices lately? I hauled some aluminum, copper, etc. today & they were down sharply. I got a price list & the last tin I hauled a coupla months ago brought 8.50 (had been as high as 11 but dropped & pretty well stabilized round 8-9 per hundred weight); today 4 bux! Copper had been over 3 bux a pound; today 2.50. I asked the lady when they started dropping & she said today. Guess it's due to the bailout mess hanging in the fire right now? Hope I'm not making a mistake but not gonna haul any more for a while & see if it goes up or down. Lew near Waco, TX From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Sep 30 14:57:45 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:57:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] possibly OT scrap prices In-Reply-To: <001e01c92344$92431d30$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <20080930215746.47B2F302841@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Lew, China controls the prices. If they hiccup We go in the dumper! Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Lew Best Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 2:36 PM To: At at Lists. Antique-Tractor. Com; SEL Subject: [SEL] possibly OT scrap prices Hey guys Anyone checked scrap prices lately? I hauled some aluminum, copper, etc. today & they were down sharply. I got a price list & the last tin I hauled a coupla months ago brought 8.50 (had been as high as 11 but dropped & pretty well stabilized round 8-9 per hundred weight); today 4 bux! Copper had been over 3 bux a pound; today 2.50. I asked the lady when they started dropping & she said today. Guess it's due to the bailout mess hanging in the fire right now? Hope I'm not making a mistake but not gonna haul any more for a while & see if it goes up or down. Lew near Waco, TX _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 30 15:03:58 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:03:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <001a01c92348$70e58fc0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> you gonna belt that up to the Bessemer ? From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Sep 30 15:25:43 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:25:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <000b01c9234b$7a2b0990$0200a8c0@PETER> Hi Dolly & Jim Of course this is engine related, what did we use these old engines for, drivng great stuff like this. When Jim gets tired of this pump, just crate it up and send it to the collonies down under. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > Hi Folks > > This is not strictly an old engine, but it certainly is interesting old > iron. Jim bought a large deep well pump from a former list member, > Roland Craven, about 8 years ago. Finally enough things moved in the > garden to make space to rebuild it. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/dando/dando.htm > As garden ornaments go, it's a lot better than a gnome with a fishing rod! > > Dolly > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 30 16:44:28 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:44:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] possibly OT scrap prices References: <001e01c92344$92431d30$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <000c01c92356$7b0ba490$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I asked the lady > when they started dropping & she said today. Guess it's due to the > bailout mess hanging in the fire right now? Hope I'm not making a > mistake but not gonna haul any more for a while & see if it goes up or > down.>>>> Been about three weeks or better since tin and iron tanked here . It didnt really "tank" , but there was a marked correction . Bear in mind location is important regarding scrap prices . Behind Corpus Christi , Chuck From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Tue Sep 30 17:53:16 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:53:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] possibly OT scrap prices In-Reply-To: <000c01c92356$7b0ba490$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <005e01c92360$1886a680$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Thanks Chuck I just haul scrap when I need some mad money or don't have anything really more important to do. Was just surprised it had dropped by half in the few weeks since I hauled the last load. Lew -----Original Message----- Been about three weeks or better since tin and iron tanked here . It didnt really "tank" , but there was a marked correction . Bear in mind location is important regarding scrap prices . Behind Corpus Christi , Chuck From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Sep 30 18:09:56 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:09:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] possibly OT scrap prices In-Reply-To: <005e01c92360$1886a680$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <20081001010956.DB90E302889@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> We were told by our dealers in late august that the price was going to drop by Sept because China was going to stop buying. They had been driving the market on the west coast. Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Lew Best Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:53 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] possibly OT scrap prices Thanks Chuck I just haul scrap when I need some mad money or don't have anything really more important to do. Was just surprised it had dropped by half in the few weeks since I hauled the last load. Lew -----Original Message----- Been about three weeks or better since tin and iron tanked here . It didnt really "tank" , but there was a marked correction . Bear in mind location is important regarding scrap prices . Behind Corpus Christi , Chuck _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Tue Sep 30 18:21:50 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:21:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] possibly OT scrap prices In-Reply-To: <20081001010956.DB90E302889@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <006401c92364$16319620$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Here's a bit of interesting info on new copper; scrap seems to follow a similar pattern tho it seems. http://www.mineweb.net/mineweb/view/mineweb/en/page504?oid=63489&sn=Deta il Be interesting to see what happens once congress decides to do with the bailout. Lew -----Original Message----- We were told by our dealers in late august that the price was going to drop by Sept because China was going to stop buying. They had been driving the market on the west coast. Jim O'Hagan From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Tue Sep 30 20:15:34 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:15:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi.That is one great pumping unit.What's this about no Lego instructions.I thought that you would have used the original plastic( bakelite) made in England the one called Bayko. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "ATIS Stationary Engine List" Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 6:59 AM Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild > Hi Folks > > This is not strictly an old engine, but it certainly is interesting old > iron. Jim bought a large deep well pump from a former list member, > Roland Craven, about 8 years ago. Finally enough things moved in the > garden to make space to rebuild it. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/dando/dando.htm > As garden ornaments go, it's a lot better than a gnome with a fishing rod! > > Dolly > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >