From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Wed Oct 1 00:36:08 2008 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:36:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <000b01c9234b$7a2b0990$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <000b01c9234b$7a2b0990$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: That is a nice piece of machinery.I have pulled alot of engines out of pump houses and left wonderful things like that for the scrap man. Would'nt do it now though! Thanks for sharing it. John> From: plowe at exemail.com.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:25:43 +1000> Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild> > Hi Dolly & Jim> > Of course this is engine related, what did we use these old engines for, > drivng great stuff like this.> When Jim gets tired of this pump, just crate it up and send it to the > collonies down under.> > Regards> Peter Lowe> R&V Engine Registrar> Australia> Ph: 61-266453455> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm> > > > > Hi Folks> >> > This is not strictly an old engine, but it certainly is interesting old> > iron. Jim bought a large deep well pump from a former list member,> > Roland Craven, about 8 years ago. Finally enough things moved in the> > garden to make space to rebuild it.> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/dando/dando.htm> > As garden ornaments go, it's a lot better than a gnome with a fishing rod!> >> > Dolly> >> > -- > > Jim French> > fbi at insulate.co.uk> > http://www.insulate.co.uk> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm> >> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Oct 1 04:15:07 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:15:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <000b01c9234b$7a2b0990$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <000b01c9234b$7a2b0990$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <1222859707.48e35bbb4bf40@webmail.city-net.com> Cool your jets Maytag Breath. I've got first dibs by virtue of helping Jim collect it in the first place. 8-)) When declared "surplus to requirements" THAT "Garden Gnome" will be going across the pond to the FORMER colonies. See ya, Arnie Quoting Peter Lowe : > Of course this is engine related, what did we use these old engines for, > drivng great stuff like this. > When Jim gets tired of this pump, just crate it up and send it to the > collonies down under. > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/dando/dando.htm > > As garden ornaments go, it's a lot better than a gnome with a fishing rod! From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 1 06:43:41 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:43:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] It's a scrap drive References: <006401c92364$16319620$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <005e01c923cb$b7a92a60$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> All around good news , as many will agree . I see multiple loads of metal in my parking lot everyday as Fred and Lamont try to make it to the scrap yard "one more time " . I bet the scrappies havent dug this hard or this deep to get at it since WW2 . Anybody have some good scrap drive shots saved up ? Here's a before and after of that stolen locomotive from Ukrain . http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39901000/jpg/_39901737_beforeafter_300.jpg Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Oct 1 06:57:22 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:57:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's a scrap drive In-Reply-To: <005e01c923cb$b7a92a60$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <006401c92364$16319620$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> <005e01c923cb$b7a92a60$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <1222869442.48e381c2b8e18@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Chuck, There's one from WWII that I've seen that I'd like to find again. It shows a large dump truck and sticking up above the sides are clearly lots of spoked flywheels. It's enough to make you cry... If anyone knows where that pic might be found, please post it to the list. See ya, Arnie Quoting Chuck Balyeat : > All around good news , as many will agree . I see multiple loads of metal > in my parking lot everyday as Fred and Lamont try to make it to the scrap > yard "one more time " . > I bet the scrappies havent dug this hard or this deep to get at it since WW2. > > Anybody have some good scrap drive shots saved up ? From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 1 08:17:47 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:17:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] It's a scrap drive References: <006401c92364$16319620$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW><005e01c923cb$b7a92a60$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <1222869442.48e381c2b8e18@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000d01c923d8$dd645ce0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > There's one from WWII that I've seen that I'd like to find again. > It shows a large dump truck and sticking up above the sides are clearly > lots of > spoked flywheels. It's enough to make you cry... > > If anyone knows where that pic might be found, please post it to the list. > > See ya, Arnie They used a lot of dynamite too . Often to no avail . c From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Oct 1 14:15:45 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:15:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Fine example of what went on the belt, Helen and Jim!! Also looks like a fine example of "loose wheel, tight wheel," in which if one wanted to stop the pump, you would slide the belt over to the loose wheel. We're just finishing up a big F-M piston pump which has this same feature. One would think that the loose wheel would have a greaser in the hub and not setscrews and the tight wheel would have setscrews which tightened on a flat spot on the shaft. I know a lot of these were cheated one way or another to make tight wheels out of both. So I guess I'm asking if there's any evidence of a greaser like a female pipe thread on the loose wheel for a greaser? Ours does have a collar which holds the loose wheel on. Both of ours have setscrews and evidence of being cheated. And was there a special tool to move the belt from one pulley to the other? Comments from all welcome. RickinMt. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/dando/dando.htm From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Oct 1 14:40:02 2008 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:40:02 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk> Hi Rick We call that a "fast and loose" pulley. Yes, there is a greaser on the loose pulley, and the fast pulley is keyed with a gib key and set screws. I can get photos of all that if it would help (I'd need Jim to point to the right bits for me!). Also, he says there IS a tool to move the belt, doesn't know the name of it, but he does have one from a flat-belt driven pillar drill which, again, we can get pics of for you. Regards, Dolly Richard Strobel wrote: > Fine example of what went on the belt, Helen and Jim!! Also looks like a > fine example of "loose wheel, tight wheel," in which if one wanted to stop > the pump, you would slide the belt over to the loose wheel. We're just > finishing up a big F-M piston pump which has this same feature. > One would think that the loose wheel would have a greaser in the hub and > not setscrews and the tight wheel would have setscrews which tightened on a > flat spot on the shaft. I know a lot of these were cheated one way or > another to make tight wheels out of both. > > So I guess I'm asking if there's any evidence of a greaser like a female > pipe thread on the loose wheel for a greaser? Ours does have a collar which > holds the loose wheel on. Both of ours have setscrews and evidence of being > cheated. > > And was there a special tool to move the belt from one pulley to the other? > > Comments from all welcome. > > RickinMt. > > > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/dando/dando.htm >> -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Oct 1 15:26:50 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:26:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk> References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <3DAC5918-49BA-40B9-8E21-2923E2E00183@rustyiron.com> On Oct 1, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Jim French wrote: > Also, he says there IS a tool to move the belt, doesn't know the > name of it, Hi Dolly, I have a variety of these tools that I store on the side of the garage. If you like, I can ship you one. Let me know your required specs. Here in the states, the common word that we use for these tools is "stick." Rob P.S. I'll be trimming the trees in January. That's the best time for getting fresh "sticks." From kosh at ncweb.com Wed Oct 1 15:26:25 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:26:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081001182547.03be3370@ncweb.com> Looks like a grease cup on the outer pulley in 11.jpg... Dave Merchant At 05:15 PM 10/1/2008, you wrote: >Fine example of what went on the belt, Helen and Jim!! Also looks like a >fine example of "loose wheel, tight wheel," in which if one wanted to stop >the pump, you would slide the belt over to the loose wheel. We're just >finishing up a big F-M piston pump which has this same feature. > One would think that the loose wheel would have a greaser in the hub and >not setscrews and the tight wheel would have setscrews which tightened on a >flat spot on the shaft. I know a lot of these were cheated one way or >another to make tight wheels out of both. > > So I guess I'm asking if there's any evidence of a greaser like a female >pipe thread on the loose wheel for a greaser? Ours does have a collar which >holds the loose wheel on. Both of ours have setscrews and evidence of being >cheated. > >And was there a special tool to move the belt from one pulley to the other? > >Comments from all welcome. > >RickinMt. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/dando/dando.htm > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Oct 1 17:02:34 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:02:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <5.2.0.9.0.20081001182547.03be3370@ncweb.com> References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <5.2.0.9.0.20081001182547.03be3370@ncweb.com> Message-ID: Good eye Dave...thanks much. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Merchant" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild > Looks like a grease cup on the outer pulley in 11.jpg... > > Dave Merchant > > > At 05:15 PM 10/1/2008, you wrote: > >Fine example of what went on the belt, Helen and Jim!! Also looks like a > >fine example of "loose wheel, tight wheel," in which if one wanted to > >stop > >the pump, you would slide the belt over to the loose wheel. We're just > >finishing up a big F-M piston pump which has this same feature. > > One would think that the loose wheel would have a greaser in the hub > > and > >not setscrews and the tight wheel would have setscrews which tightened on > >a > >flat spot on the shaft. I know a lot of these were cheated one way or > >another to make tight wheels out of both. > > > > So I guess I'm asking if there's any evidence of a greaser like a > > female > >pipe thread on the loose wheel for a greaser? Ours does have a collar > >which > >holds the loose wheel on. Both of ours have setscrews and evidence of > >being > >cheated. > > > >And was there a special tool to move the belt from one pulley to the > >other? > > > >Comments from all welcome. > > > >RickinMt. > > > > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/dando/dando.htm > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Dave Merchant > kosh at nesys.com > nesys_com at ameritech.net > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > http://www.nesys.com > http://www.nesys.org > YouTube: SteamCrane > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Wed Oct 1 18:05:06 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:05:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <3DAC5918-49BA-40B9-8E21-2923E2E00183@rustyiron.com> References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk> <3DAC5918-49BA-40B9-8E21-2923E2E00183@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <48E41E42.8070109@optusnet.com.au> Rob Skinner wrote: > On Oct 1, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Jim French wrote: > >> Also, he says there IS a tool to move the belt, doesn't know the >> name of it, >> > > Hi Dolly, > I have a variety of these tools that I store on the side of the > garage. If you like, I can ship you one. Let me know your required > specs. Here in the states, the common word that we use for these > tools is "stick." > > Rob > > === Don't know the name for a special tool, but with overhead lineshafting, the simple mechanism to shift the belt between fast/loose pulleys was called the "Striking Gear", which I suppose does describe a stick fairly well . . . JW? === From lfevans at pacbell.net Wed Oct 1 19:10:53 2008 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:10:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20081001190801.04e88ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> > >And was there a special tool to move the belt from one pulley to the other? Rick, Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/lineshaft/ls18.html for an example of a permanently mounted device for doing this on an overhead line shaft system. Larry Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Oct 1 19:15:21 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:15:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <48E41E42.8070109@optusnet.com.au> References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk> <3DAC5918-49BA-40B9-8E21-2923E2E00183@rustyiron.com> <48E41E42.8070109@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <48E42EB9.90705@rustic-engines.com> My "striking gear" or "stick" as made for use with my Moffat Virtue Bench Grinding Wheel. The pivot point for the lever can be seen at the base. > http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/stick.jpg Cheers, Al Harris Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Jack wrote: > Rob Skinner wrote: > >> On Oct 1, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Jim French wrote: >> >> >>> Also, he says there IS a tool to move the belt, doesn't know the >>> name of it, >>> >>> >> Hi Dolly, >> I have a variety of these tools that I store on the side of the >> garage. If you like, I can ship you one. Let me know your required >> specs. Here in the states, the common word that we use for these >> tools is "stick." >> >> Rob >> >> >> > === > Don't know the name for a special tool, but with overhead lineshafting, > the simple mechanism to shift the belt between fast/loose pulleys was > called the "Striking Gear", > which I suppose does describe a stick fairly well . . . > > JW? > === > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Thu Oct 2 06:32:56 2008 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 06:32:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20081001190801.04e88ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <6.0.1.1.2.20081001190801.04e88ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081002103301.C2C68228403@md5.pennswoods.net> Rick Larry all. I have never saw a line shaft set up [except photos] Where there is a pulley or mount did they have roller bearings on was it the pored babbitt bearings. thanks R Fink PA At 07:10 PM 10/1/2008 -0700, you wrote: > > > >And was there a special tool to move the belt from one pulley to the other? > >Rick, >Take a look at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/lineshaft/ls18.html >for an example of a permanently mounted device for doing this on an >overhead line shaft system. > >Larry > >Larry Evans >MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1698 - Release Date: >9/29/2008 7:25 PM From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Oct 2 03:49:16 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 06:49:16 EDT Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild Message-ID: In a message dated 10/1/2008 5:42:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fbi at insulate.co.uk writes: Also, he says there IS a tool to move the belt Helen, Great piece of equipment. I always assumed folks used a stick to move the belts on the pulley. Be nice to see the photo of the actual tool used to move them. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Oct 2 04:15:54 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:15:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild Message-ID: In a message dated 10/1/2008 10:22:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lfevans at pacbell.net writes: for an example of a permanently mounted device for doing this on an overhead line shaft system. Larry, And the loose ring on the shaft was to clean it of dirt accumulation, correct? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Oct 2 06:39:38 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:39:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk><3DAC5918-49BA-40B9-8E21-2923E2E00183@rustyiron.com> <48E41E42.8070109@optusnet.com.au> References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk><3DAC5918-49BA-40B9-8E21-2923E2E00183@rustyiron.com> <48E41E42.8070109@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: Don't know the name for a special tool, but with overhead lineshafting, the simple mechanism to shift the belt between fast/loose pulleys was called the "Striking Gear", which I suppose does describe a stick fairly well . . . JW? === Thanks Jack. Striking gear is a new term for me and googling it did bring some interesting results. I have seen various photo's of the old lineshafts and the associated levers which control the belts plus there was a machine shop in my hometown that had several overhead lineshafts when I was a kid. Course I never paid any attention then :-( For Helen and Jim...don't go to any trouble to find the pictures. I have seen the levers (striking gear) which engaged what I call the old post drills. Hopefully one of these days we will install a lineshaft in the back room of my shop where all the old iron is. We acquired one this past summer and now just need to find some good wood beams and come up with a classy looking structure. So far we have an ole metal lathe, post grinder, big drill, and am always looking for a trip hammer, course they are quite pricy now. Maybe someone has an instruction manual for an old pump that shows how to move the belt from one pulley to the other. I'm sure a stick would work fine as Rob mentioned and seeing as how I live out in the sticks, this would not pose a problem. But I'd almost bet someone came up with a gizmo just for that. Thanks gang...neat stuff!! RickinMt. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Oct 2 07:26:19 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:26:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk><3DAC5918-49BA-40B9-8E21-2923E2E00183@rustyiron.com> <48E41E42.8070109@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <1222957579.48e4da0b17293@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Rick, Don't be so quick to dismiss Jim & Dolly's pics of "striking gear." IMHO, that might get pretty interesting if not downright kinky. 8->> See ya, Arnie Quoting Richard Strobel : > For Helen and Jim...don't go to any trouble to find the pictures. I have > seen the levers (striking gear) which engaged what I call the old post > drills. From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Oct 2 07:35:10 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:35:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild Message-ID: <20081002.104421.1328.9.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rich, If you ever get a chance to make one of the Northwest PA Steam Engine & Old Equipment shows, they have a real nice machine shop setup all run with a line shaft. They have a show this weekend Oct. 4th & 5th. Portersville Exit off I-79 www.portersvillesteamshow.homestead.com As for bearings in the idle pulleys: If any, they would be babbitt. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "You couldn't lick inflation if they made it an ice cream flavor." Rick Larry all. I have never saw a line shaft set up [except photos] Where there is a pulley or mount did they have roller bearings on was it the pored babbitt bearings. thanks R Fink PA ____________________________________________________________ Start providing for your family by becoming a paralegal. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nffOebaWO5qFRh0GrTrayHzeno3x6r1vBoVuRB3xaI6lrON/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Oct 2 08:34:02 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:34:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <20081002.104421.1328.9.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20081002.104421.1328.9.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <1222961642.48e4e9ea501e1@webmail.city-net.com> But if you're free this weekend a FAR better place to go is Apple & Arts in Delmont, PA. 8-)) Joe, are you going to Apple & Arts? See ya, Arnie Quoting "Joseph L. Betz" : > If you ever get a chance to make one of the Northwest PA Steam Engine & > Old Equipment shows, > they have a real nice machine shop setup all run with a line shaft. > They have a show this weekend Oct. 4th & 5th. > Portersville Exit off I-79 www.portersvillesteamshow.homestead.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Oct 2 08:34:18 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:34:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild References: <20081002.104421.1328.9.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <007901c924a4$5cb40d30$12b40556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L. Betz" To: Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild > Hi Rich, > If you ever get a chance to make one of the Northwest PA Steam Engine & > Old Equipment shows, > they have a real nice machine shop setup all run with a line shaft. > They have a show this weekend Oct. 4th & 5th. > Portersville Exit off I-79 www.portersvillesteamshow.homestead.com > As for bearings in the idle pulleys: If any, they would be babbitt. > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > Rick Larry all. I have never saw a line shaft set up [except photos] > Where there is a pulley or mount did they have roller bearings on was > it the pored babbitt bearings. > thanks > R Fink > PA When I was visiting all sorts of Engineering shops as a telephone engineer 45 years ago, lineshafting for the machine power was quite often used. The lubricators for the bearings were frequently of a different pattern to those used on engines. see http://www.steamengine.com.au/misc/lubrication/pics/shaft-oilers.jpg Thes are American but the British were of identical design. I think they gave a lower lubrication amount compared to the ventilated ones. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From lfevans at pacbell.net Thu Oct 2 09:01:27 2008 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:01:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20081002085743.03a13788@pop.att.yahoo.com> Tom, As far as I know the rings on the shaft were just to keep them clean. This particular shop has a variety of ring on different sections of the shafting and they all seem to be piston rings from various engines. Also as far as I know the bearings are solid, not roller or ball bearings. Larry At 04:15 AM 10/2/2008, you wrote: > >In a message dated 10/1/2008 10:22:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >lfevans at pacbell.net writes: > >for an example of a permanently mounted device for doing this on an >overhead line shaft system. > > > >Larry, > >And the loose ring on the shaft was to clean it of dirt accumulation, >correct? > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. >germoamer at AOL.com > > > > >**************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial >challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips >and >calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From kosh at ncweb.com Thu Oct 2 09:05:19 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:05:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] [SPAM] Re: Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <1222961642.48e4e9ea501e1@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20081002.104421.1328.9.jlb94@juno.com> <20081002.104421.1328.9.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081002120245.046a4010@ncweb.com> We always go to Portersville. They have a long row of big oilfield and compressor station engines running, and a building full of running stationary steam engines. Dave Merchant At 11:34 AM 10/2/2008, you wrote: >But if you're free this weekend a FAR better place to go is Apple & Arts in >Delmont, PA. 8-)) > >Joe, are you going to Apple & Arts? > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting "Joseph L. Betz" : > > > If you ever get a chance to make one of the Northwest PA Steam Engine & > > Old Equipment shows, > > they have a real nice machine shop setup all run with a line shaft. > > They have a show this weekend Oct. 4th & 5th. > > Portersville Exit off I-79 www.portersvillesteamshow.homestead.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From blcksmth at wcnet.org Thu Oct 2 09:42:31 2008 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:42:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <48E41E42.8070109@optusnet.com.au> References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk><3DAC5918-49BA-40B9-8E21-2923E2E00183@rustyiron.com> <48E41E42.8070109@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <932D0B1EC0C948E29A56F53E93D9EA25@Eagle> I am in the process of putting together a lineshaft driven blacksmith shop driven by a 25hp Superior type C gas engine. Other than the engine, which right now is not running very well, the latest project is belting up a camel back drill press that had been converted to electric drive. The tight pulley / free pulley clutch was missing and I am in the process of making the pulleys and the belt shifting mechanism. The guide support for the shift rod is still there as is the lower jack shaft with step pulleys. I am using a split wooden pulley with a split steel bushing for the tight pulley and a one piece wooden pulley with delrin bushing for the free pulley. Some day I might get it finished. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:05 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild Rob Skinner wrote: > On Oct 1, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Jim French wrote: > >> Also, he says there IS a tool to move the belt, doesn't know the name >> of it, >> > > Hi Dolly, > I have a variety of these tools that I store on the side of the > garage. If you like, I can ship you one. Let me know your required > specs. Here in the states, the common word that we use for these > tools is "stick." > > Rob > > === Don't know the name for a special tool, but with overhead lineshafting, the simple mechanism to shift the belt between fast/loose pulleys was called the "Striking Gear", which I suppose does describe a stick fairly well . . . JW? === _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kosh at ncweb.com Thu Oct 2 10:55:53 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:55:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20081002085743.03a13788@pop.att.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081002134901.0287b7c0@ncweb.com> They also used to make rings out of thick paper like beer coaster material. The lineshaft shop at Henry Ford Museum used those the last time I was there. At the time, a few years ago, the Ford shop was manufacturing small marine engines for wooden boat aficiandos. When the shafts are running, the rings walk back + forth the length of the shaft between pillow blocks or pulleys. The shop at Portersville is small but interesting, you can get up close. Dave Merchant At 12:01 PM 10/2/2008, Larry Evans wrote: >Tom, >As far as I know the rings on the shaft were just to keep them clean. This >particular shop has a variety of ring on different sections of the shafting >and they all seem to be piston rings from various engines. > >Also as far as I know the bearings are solid, not roller or ball bearings. > >Larry > >At 04:15 AM 10/2/2008, you wrote: > > > >In a message dated 10/1/2008 10:22:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >lfevans at pacbell.net writes: > > > >for an example of a permanently mounted device for doing this on an > >overhead line shaft system. > > > > > > > >Larry, > > > >And the loose ring on the shaft was to clean it of dirt accumulation, > >correct? > > > >Tom Schmutz > >Concord, Va. > >germoamer at AOL.com > > > > > > > > > >**************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > >challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > >and > >calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Larry Evans >MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Oct 2 11:07:31 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:07:31 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. Message-ID: <62071.168.215.206.73.1222970851.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Guys, here is a page I put together on fun in the shop last night. The weather is finally cooling off and I played on the lathe until about 10:30 last evening trying my hand at making piston rings for a couple of friends who need some for their hit and miss engines. Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Oct 2 11:34:26 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:34:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <62071.168.215.206.73.1222970851.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Great site and work Curt. I need some 7 1/4", when do I place my order! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 2:08 PM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. Guys, here is a page I put together on fun in the shop last night. The weather is finally cooling off and I played on the lathe until about 10:30 last evening trying my hand at making piston rings for a couple of friends who need some for their hit and miss engines. Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Oct 2 12:03:08 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:03:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <62071.168.215.206.73.1222970851.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <62071.168.215.206.73.1222970851.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1222974188.48e51aeca80cd@webmail.city-net.com> Curt, Really nice work as usual. Say have you ever given any thought to making rare engines? Something along the lines of what John Burns is doing with the 4 hp Reid project. You've clearly got the design / CAD / pattern making skills and the machining skills. Pick a desirable engine or two (a York maybe); one that has gorgeous lines, interesting features (sideshaft, vertical FB gov,. etc.). Either sell the engines in advance or take a hefty deposit to avoid being killed by out-of-pocket costs. Something to think about to occupy your "free time." 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting curt at rustyiron.com: > Guys, here is a page I put together on fun in the shop last night. The > weather is finally cooling off and I played on the lathe until about 10:30 > last evening trying my hand at making piston rings for a couple of friends > who need some for their hit and miss engines. Hope you enjoy. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Oct 2 12:10:44 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:10:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk><3DAC5918-49BA-40B9-8E21-2923E2E00183@rustyiron.com><48E41E42.8070109@optusnet.com.au> <932D0B1EC0C948E29A56F53E93D9EA25@Eagle> Message-ID: <001c01c924c2$93054020$12b40556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Willman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild I am in the process of putting together a lineshaft driven blacksmith shop driven by a 25hp Superior type C gas engine. Other than the engine, which right now is not running very well, the latest project is belting up a camel back drill press that had been converted to electric drive. The tight pulley / free pulley clutch was missing and I am in the process of making the pulleys and the belt shifting mechanism. The guide support for the shift rod is still there as is the lower jack shaft with step pulleys. I am using a split wooden pulley with a split steel bushing for the tight pulley and a one piece wooden pulley with delrin bushing for the free pulley. Some day I might get it finished. Bob Willman I just found 3 pictures I took 20 years ago in a cycle repair shop where the owner had just died. see http://s411.photobucket.com/albums/pp198/DaveCroft/?action=view¤t=overheadfastloose.jpg (First time I have tried using Photobucket so I hope it works)! I bought & resold all the drills etc. You can see how the lever moved two seperated rollers on pins to move the belt from side to side! Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From George_Best at adp.com Thu Oct 2 12:35:55 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:35:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <62071.168.215.206.73.1222970851.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <62071.168.215.206.73.1222970851.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590879D130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Wow! I'm always impressed by how you tackle challenges and document what you do. One question. If you didn't have an old ring to measure, how would you determine the inside diameter for your new ring? George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:08 AM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. Guys, here is a page I put together on fun in the shop last night. The weather is finally cooling off and I played on the lathe until about 10:30 last evening trying my hand at making piston rings for a couple of friends who need some for their hit and miss engines. Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Oct 2 12:35:55 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:35:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] [SPAM] Re: Old Iron Rebuild Message-ID: <20081002.153557.832.7.jlb94@juno.com> Dave Merchant said: We always go to Portersville. Hey Dave, Come up to the Engine Field and introduce yourself. I hope to be there Sat & Sun if it don't get too cold. I don't plan on traveling heavy for this one. Maybe a Maytag Shotgun - Gramma's Pump - Some other small stuff. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "You couldn't lick inflation if they made it an ice cream flavor." ____________________________________________________________ Fashion Design Education - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oIaxZKfSqmG3YzUzWfAQ1JVTJ6ixlhyzXsBymbJFZJpgq81/ From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Oct 2 12:32:16 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:32:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild Message-ID: <20081002.153557.832.6.jlb94@juno.com> Sorry Arnie, Can't take my Dog ! Plus - - - It's on the same dates as Portersville. I like Delmont - - - Then they changed the dates trying to get better weather.. Gee - I don't think I've seen you this season.! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "You couldn't lick inflation if they made it an ice cream flavor." But if you're free this weekend a FAR better place to go is Apple & Arts in Delmont, PA. 8-)) Joe, are you going to Apple & Arts? See ya, Arnie ____________________________________________________________ Fashion Design Education - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oIayTTBhr8Lh5nMe0C2vCnVLDG05IbdD0GKGYgOVi45HAuZ/ From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Oct 2 12:24:55 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:24:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild Message-ID: <20081002.153557.832.5.jlb94@juno.com> Bob Willman said: I am in the process of putting together a lineshaft driven blacksmith shop driven by a 25hp Superior type C gas engine. = = = = = = = = = Hi Bob, It would be nice to see some pics of your progress. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "You couldn't lick inflation if they made it an ice cream flavor." ____________________________________________________________ Want a great salary and great benefits? Click here to start a criminal justice career. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nNLNGjUIUMmSzr5Hf3n2K9lycjx0eVxu2LQC007fq8UXdEh/ From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Oct 2 13:18:34 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:18:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590879D130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <375FEF7E5C6A48F68358C98D86BA1345@tommyd0x52gkco> George, wouldn't you simply measure the land (bottom) of the ring groove and that would give you the maximum internal diameter? You would then probably deduct 10 to 15 thousandths to prevent binding of the ring when it gets hot. Not sure this would be right but I don't know why it wouldn't work. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:36 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. Wow! I'm always impressed by how you tackle challenges and document what you do. One question. If you didn't have an old ring to measure, how would you determine the inside diameter for your new ring? George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:08 AM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. Guys, here is a page I put together on fun in the shop last night. The weather is finally cooling off and I played on the lathe until about 10:30 last evening trying my hand at making piston rings for a couple of friends who need some for their hit and miss engines. Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Thu Oct 2 13:36:53 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:36:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <375FEF7E5C6A48F68358C98D86BA1345@tommyd0x52gkco> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590879D130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <375FEF7E5C6A48F68358C98D86BA1345@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590879D2ED@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Tommy, Think you have that backwards. Measuring the "land" tells you the minimum internal ring diameter of the compressed ring, plus of course some clearance as you don't want the ring to bottom out against the land. The measurement I was wondering about is the internal diameter of the uncompressed ring. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Turner Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:19 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. George, wouldn't you simply measure the land (bottom) of the ring groove and that would give you the maximum internal diameter? You would then probably deduct 10 to 15 thousandths to prevent binding of the ring when it gets hot. Not sure this would be right but I don't know why it wouldn't work. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Oct 2 13:45:49 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:45:49 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590879D130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <62071.168.215.206.73.1222970851.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590879D130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <62089.168.215.206.73.1222980349.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> George, Eons ago I posted a couple of pages on making piston rings using the heat treat method to make the rings take on a new set. I opted not to try this method, but rather try the fully machined method. On the 2 pages posted are some guidelines about sizing the gap, etc. Here is the link. I have not checked to see if agrees with the old rings I was working to. The 2 piston diameters for this project were 5" and 4 3/4". The 5" rings had a 5/8" gap when relaxed and the 4 3/4" rings had a 1/2" gap when relaxed. I'd guess the gap goes down with smaller rings and up with larger rings. By measuring a range of rings some good guidelines could be developed. Then one can do a little Pi work and figure the blank ring ID needed to match up with a given ring groove diameter on a piston. I'd say you want .020 to .025 under the ring on each side, or .050 clearance total between the ID of the ring and the root of the ring groove for 5" rings. Maybe some folks have some smaller and larger pistons out of engines at the moment and they can tell us what the ring gaps are vs. the size of piston. It would be very useful information to chart. Curt > Wow! I'm always impressed by how you tackle challenges and document > what you do. > > One question. If you didn't have an old ring to measure, how would you > determine the inside diameter for your new ring? > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > curt at rustyiron.com > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:08 AM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. > > Guys, here is a page I put together on fun in the shop last night. The > weather is finally cooling off and I played on the lathe until about > 10:30 > last evening trying my hand at making piston rings for a couple of > friends > who need some for their hit and miss engines. Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > nails.html> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Oct 2 13:53:29 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:53:29 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590879D2ED@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590879D130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <375FEF7E5C6A48F68358C98D86BA1345@tommyd0x52gkco> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590879D2ED@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <62100.168.215.206.73.1222980809.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Tommy,George, I just replied to George on his question about predicting the ID of the blank ring to have the ID come out to the correct ID to work in the ring groove. Now I'm not so sure that you can increase the blank ring ID by the removed segment length/PI. Despite using wire to compress, I'm not convinced the entire hoop of the ring deflects evenly. Still have a couple of rings to turn for the smaller piston, so I'm going to make a point take a few measurements and report back. It could turn out to be simply that the smallest dimension on the ID oval is simple 1/2 the gap amount. In otherwords, if the gap is to be 1/2", the smallest oval dimension will be 1/4" less. But I'll measure and report back. Curt > Tommy, > > Think you have that backwards. Measuring the "land" tells you the > minimum internal ring diameter of the compressed ring, plus of course > some clearance as you don't want the ring to bottom out against the > land. > > The measurement I was wondering about is the internal diameter of the > uncompressed ring. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy > Turner > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:19 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. > > George, wouldn't you simply measure the land (bottom) of the ring groove > and that would give you the maximum internal diameter? You would then > probably deduct 10 to 15 thousandths to prevent binding of the ring when > it gets hot. Not sure this would be right but I don't know why it > wouldn't work. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Oct 2 14:16:24 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:16:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590879D2ED@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <13682F70FE894DDC8828031BD345C0A0@tommyd0x52gkco> Sorry George, I misunderstood your question. I see what your inquiry is now and we'll have to see how Curt recommends this. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:37 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. Tommy, Think you have that backwards. Measuring the "land" tells you the minimum internal ring diameter of the compressed ring, plus of course some clearance as you don't want the ring to bottom out against the land. The measurement I was wondering about is the internal diameter of the uncompressed ring. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Turner Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:19 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. George, wouldn't you simply measure the land (bottom) of the ring groove and that would give you the maximum internal diameter? You would then probably deduct 10 to 15 thousandths to prevent binding of the ring when it gets hot. Not sure this would be right but I don't know why it wouldn't work. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Thu Oct 2 19:12:49 2008 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:12:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <20081002.104421.1328.9.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20081002.104421.1328.9.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <20081002231253.D840022831F@md5.pennswoods.net> Thanks Joe and others that is what i thought being the age on line shafts. R Fink At 10:35 AM 10/2/2008 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Rich, >If you ever get a chance to make one of the Northwest PA Steam Engine & >Old Equipment shows, >they have a real nice machine shop setup all run with a line shaft. >They have a show this weekend Oct. 4th & 5th. >Portersville Exit off I-79 www.portersvillesteamshow.homestead.com > >As for bearings in the idle pulleys: If any, they would be babbitt. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) "You couldn't lick inflation if they made it an ice cream >flavor." > > > >Rick Larry all. I have never saw a line shaft set up [except photos] >Where there is a pulley or mount did they have roller bearings on was >it the pored babbitt bearings. >thanks >R Fink >PA >____________________________________________________________ >Start providing for your family by becoming a paralegal. Click Now. >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nffOebaWO5qFRh0GrTrayHzeno3x6r1vBoVuRB3xaI6lrON/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1703 - Release Date: >10/2/2008 7:46 AM From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Oct 2 17:52:03 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:52:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <62071.168.215.206.73.1222970851.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Curt: Thanks for the primer on making piston rings! Now I know. I think I'll buy piston rings, though. Sorta like re-inventing the wheel. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > curt at rustyiron.com > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 01:08 PM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. > > > Guys, here is a page I put together on fun in the > shop last night. The > weather is finally cooling off and I played on > the lathe until about 10:30 > last evening trying my hand at making piston > rings for a couple of friends > who need some for their hit and miss engines. > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > From christison at coastalnet.com Thu Oct 2 17:14:10 2008 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:14:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild Message-ID: <380-22008105301410328@coastalnet.com> >As for bearings in the idle pulleys: If any, they would be babbitt. I don't know how early they were offered, but my T. B. Wood's and Sons catalog from 1927 offered Bronco Bronze, Plain Bronze, Bronze Graphite, and Ball Bearing loose pulleys. Ken From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Oct 2 18:29:01 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:29:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bronze Bushings, Message-ID: <20081002.212901.992.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Ken, I guess I should've rephrased what I said about bushings on idle pulley's being Babbitt. I've never really examined pulleys that closely. As far as I can tell the two pulleys I have here have no bushings at all. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "You couldn't lick inflation if they made it an ice cream flavor." ____________________________________________________________ Click to become a master chef, own a restaurant and make millions. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m4pCZ4EY2aMxAUZtXmoJ5XmLcHXI42ruwZVVks4dBqVuhLH/ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 3 07:59:42 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:59:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk> <3DAC5918-49BA-40B9-8E21-2923E2E00183@rustyiron.com><48E41E42.8070109@optusnet.com.au> <48E42EB9.90705@rustic-engines.com> References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk> <3DAC5918-49BA-40B9-8E21-2923E2E00183@rustyiron.com><48E41E42.8070109@optusnet.com.au> <48E42EB9.90705@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: Thanks Al..that's the kind of gizmo that I'd expect to see. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild My "striking gear" or "stick" as made for use with my Moffat Virtue Bench Grinding Wheel. The pivot point for the lever can be seen at the base. > http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/stick.jpg Cheers, Al Harris Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Oct 3 10:12:38 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:12:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1223053958.48e652861a1ae@webmail.city-net.com> Ahhh, Elden, you must have skipped over the part where Curt said that his piston ring supplier was no longer providing rings under 8" dia. Quoting Elden DuRand : > Thanks for the primer on making piston rings! Now I know. > > I think I'll buy piston rings, though. Sorta like re-inventing the wheel. From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Oct 3 16:04:27 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 18:04:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <1223053958.48e652861a1ae@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Arnie: I SAW that. And, I know that Curt was up the creek unless he did it himself. Although I'd like to have an engine that takes nice big rings, that ain't a-gonna happen so I don't think I'll need to make any rings 'cause the sizes I use are easily obtainable. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > fero_ah at city-net.com > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 12:13 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. > > > Ahhh, Elden, you must have skipped over the part > where Curt said that his piston > ring supplier was no longer providing rings under 8" dia. > > Quoting Elden DuRand : > > > Thanks for the primer on making piston rings! > Now I know. > > > > I think I'll buy piston rings, though. Sorta > like re-inventing the wheel. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Oct 3 16:18:20 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:18:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0E2A8E41-3963-4F67-BC3D-9FF6711BD67E@rustyiron.com> On Oct 3, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Elden DuRand wrote: > I SAW that. And, I know that Curt was up the creek unless he did it > himself. > > Although I'd like to have an engine that takes nice big rings, that > ain't a-gonna happen so I don't think I'll need to make any rings > 'cause the sizes I use are easily obtainable. How about rings for your airport tug? From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Fri Oct 3 17:18:22 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:18:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. Message-ID: <23941195.144591223079502595.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web03-z02> Yeah, yeah, yeah... big piston rings? You ain't seen nuttin yet! How about some piston rings from a blooming mill engine. http://news.webshots.com/photo/2084882970033749120vQFRWq?vhost=news The Honda Civic is in the picture for scale. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. > > On Oct 3, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Elden DuRand wrote: >> I SAW that. And, I know that Curt was up the creek unless he did it >> himself. >> >> Although I'd like to have an engine that takes nice big rings, that >> ain't a-gonna happen so I don't think I'll need to make any rings >> 'cause the sizes I use are easily obtainable. > > How about rings for your airport tug? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kosh at ncweb.com Fri Oct 3 18:15:36 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:15:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] [SPAM] Re: Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <20081002.153557.832.7.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081003211247.04093be0@ncweb.com> Looked at you photos (good stuff), we've met a few times but didn't know it. Hopefully I can get away from work this weekend. Take a look at my website + youtube stuff. Dave Merchant http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane At 03:35 PM 10/2/2008, you wrote: >Dave Merchant said: >We always go to Portersville. > >Hey Dave, Come up to the Engine Field and introduce yourself. > >I hope to be there Sat & Sun if it don't get too cold. > >I don't plan on traveling heavy for this one. >Maybe a Maytag Shotgun - Gramma's Pump - Some other small stuff. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) "You couldn't lick inflation if they made it an ice cream >flavor." >____________________________________________________________ >Fashion Design Education - Click Here! >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oIaxZKfSqmG3YzUzWfAQ1JVTJ6ixlhyzXsBymbJFZJpgq81/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Oct 4 07:28:49 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:28:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <0E2A8E41-3963-4F67-BC3D-9FF6711BD67E@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Rob: Got 'em (and the pistons) at Napa. Easy! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Rob Skinner > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 06:18 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. > > > > On Oct 3, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Elden DuRand wrote: > > I SAW that. And, I know that Curt was up the > creek unless he did it > > himself. > > > > Although I'd like to have an engine that takes > nice big rings, that > > ain't a-gonna happen so I don't think I'll need > to make any rings > > 'cause the sizes I use are easily obtainable. > > How about rings for your airport tug? From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Oct 4 07:31:10 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:31:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <23941195.144591223079502595.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web03-z02> Message-ID: Rick: I ain't a-gonna have an engine like that in this or any other lifetime. It's too bad you aren't interested in the big stuff! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 07:18 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. > > > Yeah, yeah, yeah... big piston rings? You > ain't seen nuttin yet! > > How about some piston rings from a blooming mill engine. > > http://news.webshots.com/photo/2084882970033749120 > vQFRWq?vhost=news > > The Honda Civic is in the picture for scale. > > Rick From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Oct 4 13:31:40 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:31:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. Message-ID: In a message dated 10/3/2008 8:22:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com writes: How about some piston rings from a blooming mill engine. Wonder what the ring expander/compressor looks like? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Oct 4 17:46:29 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:46:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Heading around the world Message-ID: Our flights are all booked for a big end of year trip. We will arrive in London on 7th December for a three week stay in the UK. Hopefully we will be able to catch up with a few engine people while we are there and see some engines as well. We will be in the London area for a week or so but will then be heading north to spend Christmas with my girlfriends family in North Yorkshire (where I think it may be a little colder than I am used to). Between Christmas and New Year we will be in Paris but we will be spending the New Year in New York. We arrive in San Francisco on the 3rd of January and then we will be in LA from the 6th to the 9th. It will be a busy trip but hopefully I will be able to catch up with some of you along the way :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Oct 4 21:54:09 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:54:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] STOLEN ENGINE Message-ID: Yesterday afternoon (Saturday 4th Oct) the model Star was stolen from Temora Museum. Please keep an eye out for this valuable item from the museum's collection. I took these pics in 2003. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/temmus03/DSCF0039.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/temmus03/DSCF0038.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 02:46:35 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:46:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum Message-ID: <6f6025160810050246y3de0b8e3y9655e6faaf11e531@mail.gmail.com> We spent a few hours at the Anson Engine Museum back on the 10th August, and have just got around to getting them up on the websites. There are 116 pictures, the captions need a few corrections but generally they're OK. Our main websites now have a Trip / Rally / Visit section at the top of the main pages, plus a link to the Trip Menu page which saves a lot of scrolling down the page to find the existing one (which remains in place) The big switchboard that we saved from the Kendoon Hydro-Electric power station in Scotland has been reassembled at the Anson, and is alongside the Mirrlees Bickerton & Day 50hp engine. We hope to be up there on Thursday for a special presentation and will try and get some pictures then. We will also check up on a few of the engines we photographed before to make sure that we have full and correct details on the captions. There is a small picture of the switchboard, next to the 50hp engine on the Anson website at: http://enginemuseum.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=27&pos=0 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Sun Oct 5 05:52:01 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:52:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. References: Message-ID: <002801c926e9$29052bd0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> This is what it looks like: http://news.webshots.com/photo/2859441980033749120wFcEFE?vhost=news This is for the HP rings. The rings consist of an outer iron ring and an inner stainless steel spring. Both are compressed and placed into this fixture. The fixture is then placed in the counterbore and affixed in place with set screws. You can see the set screw tabs in the pic. The ring is then pushed out of the fixture and into the bore and up against the piston. The pistons were multiple part construction with followers which bolted on the piston to hold the rings in place. The LP rings are in three segments and are just manhandled into the bore and onto the piston. Then small leaf springs are individually placed between the ring and piston. Then the follower is put on after the springs are in. Some year I'll bring this stuff to Coolspring and show it off. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. > > In a message dated 10/3/2008 8:22:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com writes: > > How about some piston rings from a blooming mill engine. > > > Wonder what the ring expander/compressor looks like? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > > > > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your > destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Oct 5 06:09:51 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:09:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. Message-ID: In a message dated 10/5/2008 9:02:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com writes: The rings consist of an outer iron ring and an inner stainless steel spring. Giant compressor for giant rings! Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Oct 5 07:57:09 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:57:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] STOLEN ENGINE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Patrick: May the person who stole the engine be caught, the engine recovered in good condition and the perp should have an unfortunate accident on the way to the courtroom. Oh, yes - have a great trip........Just remember to behave in S.F. and be politically correct at all times. :-) Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick M > Livingstone > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 11:54 PM > To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary > Engine Mailing List > Subject: [SEL] STOLEN ENGINE > > > Yesterday afternoon (Saturday 4th Oct) the model > Star was stolen from Temora > Museum. Please keep an eye out for this valuable > item from the museum's > collection. > I took these pics in 2003. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/temmus03/DSCF0039.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/temmus03/DSCF0038.JPG > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Sun Oct 5 09:18:38 2008 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:18:38 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Heading around the world In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Patrick,If you are coming to the west,come see me. John> From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:46:29 +1100> Subject: [SEL] OT: Heading around the world> > Our flights are all booked for a big end of year trip. We will arrive in> London on 7th December for a three week stay in the UK. Hopefully we will be> able to catch up with a few engine people while we are there and see some> engines as well. We will be in the London area for a week or so but will> then be heading north to spend Christmas with my girlfriends family in North> Yorkshire (where I think it may be a little colder than I am used to).> Between Christmas and New Year we will be in Paris but we will be spending> the New Year in New York.> We arrive in San Francisco on the 3rd of January and then we will be in LA> from the 6th to the 9th. It will be a busy trip but hopefully I will be able> to catch up with some of you along the way :)> > Patrick M Livingstone> Leichhardt NSW> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From obise at moscow.com Sun Oct 5 09:53:51 2008 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:53:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] STOLEN ENGINE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200810051654.m95GrwYv092624@mail-gw.fsr.net> When the thief realizes this engine is rare and it cannot be shown or sold, I'm afraid he'll attempt to destroy the evidence, rather than be caught with it. Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 9:54 PM To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List Subject: STOLEN ENGINE Yesterday afternoon (Saturday 4th Oct) the model Star was stolen from Temora Museum. Please keep an eye out for this valuable item from the museum's collection. I took these pics in 2003. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/temmus03/DSCF0039.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/temmus03/DSCF0038.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Oct 6 15:56:34 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 15:56:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT. Cruise pictures Message-ID: <20081006.155635.992.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Just got late Thursday night from a 14 day cruse from LA through the Panama Canal and ended at Fort Lauderdale Fla. I have over 300 pictures up, not many captions yet. If you are interested: they start here. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/PanamaCruise#5253330705967964786 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click for information on obtaining a VA loan. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3mWy9c0D0PJmBr7guyjFxRhtfO8Wx727g6iBUM3Pie6dtr/ From gremaux at midrivers.com Mon Oct 6 16:26:42 2008 From: gremaux at midrivers.com (Frank) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:26:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] chairity auction Message-ID: <830D2C6A07F44DA893A9416EE83832BE@FrankPC> some time back at the charity auction I bought a laser cut lettered board for one of my tractors and would like to get in touch with the guy that made it ........ only think I can remember is his first name I think was Ron and he was a shop teacher from California is he on this list today ? thanks in advance for the help Frank gremaux at midrivers.com There is no place like 127.0.0.1 From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Oct 6 17:57:54 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:57:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures Message-ID: <20081007005754.7CAAB44482B@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi this is kinda on topic. I need to take some high resolution pictures of an ignitor and name tags for reproduction. My early cheep digetal camera can't produce the necessary quality. Anyone have any suggestions for an upgrade. I need something user friendly. Thanks for any suggestions pro or con. Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From b2 at chooka.net Mon Oct 6 18:49:43 2008 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:49:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] chairity auction In-Reply-To: <830D2C6A07F44DA893A9416EE83832BE@FrankPC> References: <830D2C6A07F44DA893A9416EE83832BE@FrankPC> Message-ID: I think the name is Ron Haskell, Frank. I bought custom battery boxes that Ron donated to the charity auction for 3 consecutive years, and they are very, very nice work. I'm not finding further contact info that I kept but I see Ron's posts on the list from time to time. B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 6:27 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] chairity auction some time back at the charity auction I bought a laser cut lettered board for one of my tractors and would like to get in touch with the guy that made it ........ only think I can remember is his first name I think was Ron and he was a shop teacher from California is he on this list today ? thanks in advance for the help Frank gremaux at midrivers.com There is no place like 127.0.0.1 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Oct 6 19:18:00 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:18:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] chairity auction In-Reply-To: References: <830D2C6A07F44DA893A9416EE83832BE@FrankPC> Message-ID: On Oct 6, 2008, at 6:49 PM, Bill Brueck wrote: > I think the name is Ron Haskell, Frank. I bought custom battery > boxes that > Ron donated to the charity auction for 3 consecutive years, and they > are > very, very nice work. > > I'm not finding further contact info that I kept but I see Ron's > posts on > the list from time to time. rdhaskell at juno.com From falcon at telenet.net Mon Oct 6 19:21:00 2008 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:21:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <20081007005754.7CAAB44482B@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20081007005754.7CAAB44482B@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <48EAC78C.3060906@telenet.net> Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Hi this is kinda on topic. I need to take some high resolution pictures of > an ignitor and name tags for reproduction. My early cheep digetal camera > can't produce the necessary quality. Anyone have any suggestions for an > upgrade. I need something user friendly. Thanks for any suggestions pro or > con. Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan > Go get one of the cheap film cameras. unlimited resolution. Take the film in and have them make a digital copy. Or head to your local Wal~Mart and see what they have in closeouts in the 5-7MP area... For ease of use the HP units are pretty good. My personal unit is a Fuji S5000 It's a couple years old, but it has a 10X optical zoom and it takes 4AA batteries instead of the custom rechargeables many use. That can be a BIG benefit at a large show or event. Just pop in new batteries and your ready to go. It uses xD cards and can do short video clips as well. It has taken a beating and keeps going. If I was looking for a newer camera now. I would probably get a Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ18. Larger zoom and better sensor than the new Fuji. -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 23:28:42 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:28:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <20081007005754.7CAAB44482B@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20081007005754.7CAAB44482B@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160810062328n69239750t193e4c3a76530020@mail.gmail.com> On 07/10/2008, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Hi this is kinda on topic. I need to take some high resolution pictures of > an ignitor and name tags for reproduction. My early cheep digetal camera > can't produce the necessary quality. Anyone have any suggestions for an > upgrade. I need something user friendly. Thanks for any suggestions pro or > con. Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236 > Jim O'Hagan Jim: Every one of the Sony cameras that we have has a Macro facility that is excellent to use. Go to: http://www.steves-digicams.com/hardware_reviews.html That will give you the main drop-down menu for all the reviews by manufacturer. The best all-round one we have is the Sony DSC-F717, but there are many in the Cyber-Shot range, and of course there are other makes as well. All of our website digital pictures have been taken on Sony cameras. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Oct 7 07:52:40 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:52:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <6f6025160810062328n69239750t193e4c3a76530020@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Guys: It all depends on just how much resolution you need. I would like to get one of the newer high pixel count SLR cameras so I can use my bayonet 35mm film SLR lenses with but the cost is still a bit high for me to justify the purchase. Right now, I'm using an older Sony Mavica MVC-FD100 (1.2 megapixel) and it does a credible job. It'll even do pretty good macro as long as you remember to zoom all the way out and sometimes fake-out the auto focus function, which I find to be one of the less than ideal things about this camera. If you want examples, go to my website below and look at the photos on The Homebrew Engine. I've embedded full resolution photos (most only slightly 'doctored') behind every "front" lower resolution photo. Just click on the front photo to get the images at the camera's maximum (and slightly doctored) resolution. Note that this is not an ad for Sony. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 01:29 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] engine pictures > > > On 07/10/2008, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > > Hi this is kinda on topic. I need to take some > high resolution pictures of > > an ignitor and name tags for reproduction. My > early cheep digetal camera > > can't produce the necessary quality. Anyone > have any suggestions for an > > upgrade. I need something user friendly. Thanks > for any suggestions pro or > > con. Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236 > > Jim O'Hagan > > Jim: > > Every one of the Sony cameras that we have has a > Macro facility that > is excellent to use. > > Go to: > > http://www.steves-digicams.com/hardware_reviews.html > > That will give you the main drop-down menu for > all the reviews by manufacturer. > > The best all-round one we have is the Sony > DSC-F717, but there are > many in the Cyber-Shot range, and of course there > are other makes as > well. > > All of our website digital pictures have been > taken on Sony cameras. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 07:14:37 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:14:37 +0100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160810062328n69239750t193e4c3a76530020@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160810070714p7f6d7556qdeb78f1de5a3ffca@mail.gmail.com> On 07/10/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: > Guys: > > Right now, I'm using an older Sony Mavica MVC-FD100 (1.2 megapixel) and it > does a credible job. > That's what I use at the factory, had the big advantage over the earlier Mavicas of having a Memory Stick slot. Same comments go for the FD200. We still have six or seven of the early Mavica cameras, all working and all get used occasionally. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Oct 7 11:59:47 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:59:47 +0200 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081007184103.00c54aa0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 07/10/2008, you wrote: >Message: 3 >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:57:54 -0700 >From: "Jim O'Hagan" >Subject: [SEL] engine pictures >. > >Hi this is kinda on topic. I need to take some high resolution pictures of >an ignitor and name tags for reproduction. My early cheep digetal camera >can't produce the necessary quality. Anyone have any suggestions for an >upgrade. I need something user friendly. Thanks for any suggestions pro or >con. Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236 >Jim O'Hagan Hi Jim, That's a hard question to give a definitive answer to. There are so many good cameras out there now and the price keeps getting better. I disagree with the suggestion that you should buy a cheap film camera and have digital prints made. Film is slowly disappearing off the market as digital gets better - cheap film camera's are just that -cheap. Film is also expensive. The advantages of digital to the average (I assume, you and I) guy who just wants some good quality pictures are just so much greater than film. Also so much cheaper - take a bad shot !! Just hit the delete button. Film costs you money to discover that the shot was bad. 35mm film has 36 shots per roll of film ($$) digitals allow you to take 100's of pics and sit at your computer later and delete the bad ones - practically no cost involved. (You can also use software to improve them - with film you need darkroom facilities and equipment to do this.) Choosing a new camera is a very personal thing and depends so much on what YOU are looking for. Some of the questions you have to ask yourself are: 1) Are you a serious photographer and do you want total control over your pics - as in setting aperture / shutter speed, focus etc. yourself or do you just want to take good average pics for your own enjoyment. If you answer to the latter - look for one that has good results from the "Automatic" setting (most of them do today). Point 'n shoot is for the likes of us . More serious photographers (may I mention some of Ken Christisen's macro work) prefer more manual control and are prepared to pay much more for their equipment but the "learning curve" to use it to it's maximum capability is quite steep. 2) Something very important with digital camera's is "battery life". Some of them really "chew" batteries. Do not go for anything that uses "proprietary" battery packs - they're expensive. Rechargeable penlights (AA) work well for me. They're not expensive and you can also buy normal AA batteries almost anywhere if your rechargeable batteries run flat. I once bought an HP digital but returned it within the 7 day "cooling off" period - darn thing only took about 15 shots per set of batteries. Remember also that the more you use the zoom feature and the flash the more battery power it will use up. 3) Do you want to use flash - check that the flash is strong enough -it used to be called the flash "Guide Number" but I do not see the term used often these days. Most camera's these days do have "flash" but some of them are only strong enough to be of any use if the subject is really close to the camera. The HP I tried was not effective on anything further than about 2 yards away - you will not get a well exposed picture of a group of people sitting at a longish table. The easiest way to check this is to take a flash pic of something like a shed full of engines with the lights off - focus on the "middle distance" and then look at the pic on your computer. You will be able to see how far the flash reached effectively. 4) Zoom- digital zoom is usually terrible - go for the best "optical" zoom you can afford. Most of the better digital camera's these days have lenses made by well known "Optical - manufacturers". eg. my "older" Sony Digital Video camera has a Carl Zeiss lens. (It was one of the early digital video cameras and is already well past it's "sell by date"). 5) "Macro Photography". It's a great feature if you are a "serious photographer" but most of us will have very little use for this. If you are like Ken (again) and enjoy photographing things like "bugs" and extreme close-ups of tiny flowers and the like then you'll love "macro" but will have to spend a lot more money than the average digital offers these days to get results like Ken's. You mentioned a need to photograph engine plates (I know why) and governor parts - you do not need "macro" for this. Remember that your "depth of field" (that is the distance between parts of the subject that are in focus) is very short with "macro" lenses and your focus needs to be "spot -on". (Of course this also depends on the available light & movement which also governs your aperture / speed setting but lets not go there right now). As an example, if you tried to photograph a governor gear "end on" using the macro setting only one part of the gear would be in focus - the rest would be blurred. You would get a better result using a normal lens setting and holding the camera a bit further back (as near as it can focus). I use a Fuji Finepix 5500 (as someone else mentioned) and cannot praise this camera enough. It is also well past it's "sell by date" - I've had it since 2004 but I considered it "ahead of it's time" then. The current replacement costs about 25% of the price (include inflation and it's more like 10%). The reasons I chose it were: i) It was developed in conjunction with NIKON. ii) It has a 10 times optical zoom feature. iii) It does not "chew" batteries. I use the zoom feature for practically every picture I take and also make a lot of use of the flash (it even has a "force flash" feature - for those daylight pics that you want to use flash as a "fill in"). I have taken over 200 pictures on a standard set of (Duracell) batteries with it at it's highest resolution. iv) It is a "Single Lens Reflex" (SLR) camera - this means that you look through the actual lens that is going to take the photo - great for composing your shot - "what you see is what you get" - this is a great help for close-ups. It also has a digital screen at the back if you prefer this but then you look just like all those guys at shows who hold the camera above their head and "squint' to see the screen :-) v) It looks like a camera - not a cellular phone :-) I cannot afford the latest one yet but, when I can, I will certainly look at the latest FUJI Finepix available here at present for the rough equivalent of US$ 200.00. Another reason why not to go the "film" route. I have a Nikon (my 4th Nikon) with lenses and accessories, bought late 1998 for the (then) equivalent of US$ 7500.00. I discovered digital at about the same time - result is that the Nikon has only had 3 rolls of film through it! It's destined to become just another "collectors piece". (No, it's not for sale.) O.K. That's my bit. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 14:36:09 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:36:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081007184103.00c54aa0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081007184103.00c54aa0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6f6025160810071436yd1f85fandc3b8a1478c9e7b9@mail.gmail.com> On 07/10/2008, Jerry Evans wrote: > 2) Something very important with digital camera's is "battery > life". Some of them really "chew" batteries. Do not go for anything that > uses "proprietary" battery packs - they're expensive. Rechargeable > penlights (AA) work well for me. They're not expensive and you can also buy > normal AA batteries almost anywhere if your rechargeable batteries run > flat. I once bought an HP digital but returned it within the 7 day "cooling > off" period - darn thing only took about 15 shots per set of batteries. > Remember also that the more you use the zoom feature and the flash the more > battery power it will use up. Have to disagree strongly with that, Jerry. Sony Infolithium gives a running battery life total in the battery viewfinder, and if you buy the accessory dual Sony chargers, they also give 'battery life' and 'time to charge' figures as well. Look up Sony AC-SQ950 for the M series battery charger as an example. At Buckley & Portland we were getting 300+ shots out of one battery charge, and although I carried a spare battery with me, I never had to change it all day. We recharged each night obviously. My son on the other hand is always complaining that his Fuji always runs out of battery power when he is least expecting it! He has tried the high capacity NiMH batteries too, but gets little warning of when they are going to go down on him. We are biased towards Sony as we have a lot of their kit, but with something like 16000 images taken over the past 6 years or so, we have established a track record with Sony product that we think is hard to beat. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 16:20:46 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081007184103.00c54aa0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <598653.40812.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jerry, "a cheap film camera and have digital prints made" This statement means a one time use $3.00 to $4.00 sealed 35MM camera that usually will take 27 pictures. I saw some that were less than two bucks, but you have to make sure they have a flash at that price. If you know when to use the flash and when not to you can take good pictures with it. When you take it back to walmart you can get a $1.99 CD with all of the pictures on it. You go home and shove that Cd into your computer and work on those pictures just like the ones we take with digital cameras. It is a good deal if you are not ready to buy that digital camera right then. Alan in Michigan --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Jerry Evans wrote: > > Hi Jim, > That's a hard question to give a definitive > answer to. There are > so many good cameras out there now and the price keeps > getting better. > > I disagree with the suggestion that you should buy > a cheap film > camera and have digital prints made. Film is slowly > disappearing off the > market as digital gets better - cheap film camera's are > just that -cheap. > Film is also expensive. The advantages of digital to the > average (I assume, > you and I) guy who just wants some good quality pictures > are just so much > greater than film. Also so much cheaper - take a bad shot > !! Just hit the > delete button. Film costs you money to discover that the > shot was bad. 35mm > film has 36 shots per roll of film ($$) digitals allow you > to take 100's of > pics and sit at your computer later and delete the bad ones > - practically > no cost involved. (You can also use software to improve > them - with film > you need darkroom facilities and equipment to do this.) From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Oct 7 16:45:48 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:45:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures - Sony cameras References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081007184103.00c54aa0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <6f6025160810071436yd1f85fandc3b8a1478c9e7b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901c928d6$d2ff7840$0200a8c0@PETER> I was also very impressed with the Sony, Helen French has one and it takes magnificent photos for the price. I think Helen's is a Sony DSC-H5, these have a 3" display which is great, she will correct me if I am wrong !! http://cgi.ebay.com.au/SONY-DSC-H5-DIGITAL-CAMERA-CYBERSHOT-CASE-2-x-8GB-MS_W0QQitemZ200260448828QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item200260448828&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Depends how much you want to spend. This link below is the Sony DSC-H9 a later version, but there are so many to choose from. I am in the market for a new camera and will get a Sony, just watching prices. http://www.shoppingsafari.com.au/p_1266_81MP_30_LCD_SONY_CYBERSHOT_DSCH9_BLACK My choice goes on how the batteries are charged, the mega-pixels, the LCD screen size on the back, and the Carl Zeiss optical zoom magnification. The battery life is greatly reduced if you leave the screen on while your are looking around, the LCD display chews up battery life. If you are using removable re-chargeable batteries then battery brands are chalk and cheese. Some are absolute rubbish and others great. Do your homework. My $0.02 worth Peter, Oz From plb at iinet.net.au Tue Oct 7 17:06:33 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:06:33 +0800 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <6f6025160810071436yd1f85fandc3b8a1478c9e7b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081007184103.00c54aa0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <6f6025160810071436yd1f85fandc3b8a1478c9e7b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c928d9$ba20dd20$2e629760$@net.au> I have got to agree with Peter about Sony's. We are currently using a H9. They have all the features and take all the hard work out of photography.Battery life is not a problem,we just come back from a week of travelling and used the camera every day and charged it once.Its interesting that although we are not really photographers people with a lot more expensive camera's and into it a lot more than we are wonder at our pictures and don't really believe us when we say its set on auto and we point and push the button. Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2008 5:36 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] engine pictures On 07/10/2008, Jerry Evans wrote: > 2) Something very important with digital camera's is "battery > life". Some of them really "chew" batteries. Do not go for anything that > uses "proprietary" battery packs - they're expensive. Rechargeable > penlights (AA) work well for me. They're not expensive and you can also buy > normal AA batteries almost anywhere if your rechargeable batteries run > flat. I once bought an HP digital but returned it within the 7 day "cooling > off" period - darn thing only took about 15 shots per set of batteries. > Remember also that the more you use the zoom feature and the flash the more > battery power it will use up. Have to disagree strongly with that, Jerry. Sony Infolithium gives a running battery life total in the battery viewfinder, and if you buy the accessory dual Sony chargers, they also give 'battery life' and 'time to charge' figures as well. Look up Sony AC-SQ950 for the M series battery charger as an example. At Buckley & Portland we were getting 300+ shots out of one battery charge, and although I carried a spare battery with me, I never had to change it all day. We recharged each night obviously. My son on the other hand is always complaining that his Fuji always runs out of battery power when he is least expecting it! He has tried the high capacity NiMH batteries too, but gets little warning of when they are going to go down on him. We are biased towards Sony as we have a lot of their kit, but with something like 16000 images taken over the past 6 years or so, we have established a track record with Sony product that we think is hard to beat. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Oct 7 17:39:20 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:39:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral Register Update Message-ID: A quick update for those Austral fans out there. I have now moved my datatbase from Microsoft Access on my PC to Filemaker Pro on my Macbook Pro. This makes it much easier and quicker to manage and also portable so I can update and look things up on the run. Not everything is on the computer yet but I am working on it. Recently I was generously given a copy of the Qld shipping records of Ronaldson-Tippett. This has been an enormous boost to the research as I can now give the date and location of delivery of Qld sold engines. I am slowly going through this as the layout is very difficult to follow but it is very helpful. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 23:02:22 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:02:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <000001c928d9$ba20dd20$2e629760$@net.au> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081007184103.00c54aa0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <6f6025160810071436yd1f85fandc3b8a1478c9e7b9@mail.gmail.com> <000001c928d9$ba20dd20$2e629760$@net.au> Message-ID: <6f6025160810072302x3f1f6124m89f850f87c8bf15d@mail.gmail.com> On 08/10/2008, Ray Freeman wrote: > I have got to agree with Peter about Sony's. We are currently using a H9. > They have all the features and take all the hard work out of > photography.Battery life is not a problem,we just come back from a week of > travelling and used the camera every day and charged it once.Its interesting > that although we are not really photographers people with a lot more > expensive camera's and into it a lot more than we are wonder at our pictures > and don't really believe us when we say its set on auto and we point and > push the button. > Ray Freeman We'll be in SFO next week for Rita's 60th birthday present. I'll be looking out for some lens filters while there, want to get a polarizing filter and a UV filter, 58mm fitting. I've got a list of camera shops in the city, but we also have a couple down in San Jose to look at. I don't know if Fry's Electronics sell anything in that line, but we will be calling there for a new HDD and possibly a motherboard/CPU. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Oct 8 03:34:21 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:34:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081007184103.00c54aa0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><6f6025160810071436yd1f85fandc3b8a1478c9e7b9@mail.gmail.com><000001c928d9$ba20dd20$2e629760$@net.au> <6f6025160810072302x3f1f6124m89f850f87c8bf15d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000501c92931$6d857950$0200a8c0@PETER> > On 08/10/2008, Ray Freeman wrote: >> I have got to agree with Peter about Sony's. We are currently using a H9. >> They have all the features and take all the hard work out of >> photography.Battery life is not a problem,we just come back from a week >> of >> travelling and used the camera every day and charged it once.Its >> interesting >> that although we are not really photographers people with a lot more >> expensive camera's and into it a lot more than we are wonder at our >> pictures >> and don't really believe us when we say its set on auto and we point and >> push the button. >> Ray Freeman > > We'll be in SFO next week for Rita's 60th birthday present. I'll be > looking out for some lens filters while there, want to get a > polarizing filter and a UV filter, 58mm fitting. > > I've got a list of camera shops in the city, but we also have a couple > down in San Jose to look at. > > I don't know if Fry's Electronics sell anything in that line, but we > will be calling there for a new HDD and possibly a motherboard/CPU. > > Peter Hi Peter There is a huge computer/electronics store in SF, down the hill east from China Town, can't remember its name. I bought some flash drives from there. You can't miss it if your in the main business area. Ask the locals for the largest computer store. Peter, Oz From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 04:01:32 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:01:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <000501c92931$6d857950$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081007184103.00c54aa0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <6f6025160810071436yd1f85fandc3b8a1478c9e7b9@mail.gmail.com> <000001c928d9$ba20dd20$2e629760$@net.au> <6f6025160810072302x3f1f6124m89f850f87c8bf15d@mail.gmail.com> <000501c92931$6d857950$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <6f6025160810080401w12782842yea62de2426504195@mail.gmail.com> On 08/10/2008, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Peter > There is a huge computer/electronics store in SF, down the hill east from > China Town, can't remember its name. I bought some flash drives from there. > You can't miss it if your in the main business area. Ask the locals for the > largest computer store. > > Peter, Oz This one? Compusa www.compusa.com (415) 743-3200 www.compusa.com 750 Market St, San Francisco, CA 94102 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Oct 8 04:14:25 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:14:25 EDT Subject: [SEL] engine pictures Message-ID: In a message dated 10/8/2008 2:39:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: I've got a list of camera shops in the city, but we also have a couple down in San Jose to look at. Peter, Just walk down the street around Fishermans Wharf. Lots of "doors open" camera shops waiting for "Joe tourist" to stop and browse. Also willing to negotiate prices. Just tell them you will think about it and head toward the door. They will drag you back in. Have a great trip and birthday party for Rita! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 04:43:43 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:43:43 +0100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160810080443o4a31a7b6p2b8b108ebd2291aa@mail.gmail.com> On 08/10/2008, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Peter, > > Just walk down the street around Fishermans Wharf. Lots of "doors open" > camera shops waiting for "Joe tourist" to stop and browse. Also willing to > negotiate prices. Just tell them you will think about it and head toward > the > door. They will drag you back in. > > Have a great trip and birthday party for Rita! > > Tom Schmutz Hi Tom: Those guys need to be out in the bay, with the other sharks! We got another 'new to us' camera earlier this year, had it sent to Jim Dunmyer who brought it to Buckley for us. Just need a couple of filters for the lens. We did go into a couple a few years back, but there are no prices on anything, which I don't like to see. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Oct 8 05:11:18 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:11:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081007184103.00c54aa0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><6f6025160810071436yd1f85fandc3b8a1478c9e7b9@mail.gmail.com><000001c928d9$ba20dd20$2e629760$@net.au><6f6025160810072302x3f1f6124m89f850f87c8bf15d@mail.gmail.com><000501c92931$6d857950$0200a8c0@PETER> <6f6025160810080401w12782842yea62de2426504195@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001b01c9293e$f83ae410$0200a8c0@PETER> > On 08/10/2008, Peter Lowe wrote: > >> Hi Peter >> There is a huge computer/electronics store in SF, down the hill east from >> China Town, can't remember its name. I bought some flash drives from >> there. >> You can't miss it if your in the main business area. Ask the locals for >> the >> largest computer store. >> >> Peter, Oz > > This one? > > Compusa > www.compusa.com > (415) 743-3200 www.compusa.com > 750 Market St, San Francisco, CA 94102 > > Peter Hi Pete You got it mate, Market Street sounds right, I think you should give Rita your Visa card and point her to the ladies shops down the road, because you can waste at least 2 hours in there no problem. I took kaye back to our hotel in China Town for her afternoon nap and I ran back down the hill. I got back out just on dark and Kaye was waiting for me to take her out to dinner. She knew where I was though. ;-)) Peter, Oz From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Oct 8 05:18:12 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:18:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures References: Message-ID: <001f01c9293f$ef626010$0200a8c0@PETER> > In a message dated 10/8/2008 2:39:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: > > I've got a list of camera shops in the city, but we also have a couple > down in San Jose to look at. > > > Peter, > > Just walk down the street around Fishermans Wharf. Lots of "doors open" > camera shops waiting for "Joe tourist" to stop and browse. Also willing > to > negotiate prices. Just tell them you will think about it and head toward > the > door. They will drag you back in. > > Have a great trip and birthday party for Rita! > > Tom Schmutz Hi Tom Yeah I looked at those stores, some seemed a little dodgy to me. There is a great security surveillance store down past Fishermans Wharf, further down towards the GG Bridge about a half mile. If you like toys like Miniature bugs, cameras and spy stuff, I do a little surveillance stuff occasionally for clients. Peter, Oz From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Oct 8 07:14:23 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:14:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures (Fisherman's Wharf) In-Reply-To: <6f6025160810080443o4a31a7b6p2b8b108ebd2291aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160810080443o4a31a7b6p2b8b108ebd2291aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1223475263.48ecc03fc3532@webmail.city-net.com> Good Grief!! How can you mention Fisherman's Wharf and bloody camera shops? Think SEAFOOD!!!! My recommendation is Scoma's Restaurant. http://www.scomas.com/ AWESOME seafood! The best dish on the menu is CIOPPINO ALLA PESCATORE (think Portuguese Bouillabaisse). Also noteworthy are calamari and Dungeness crab (both served in many different ways). Drool.... Quoting Listerdiesel : > On 08/10/2008, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > Just walk down the street around Fishermans Wharf. Lots of "doors open" > > camera shops waiting for "Joe tourist" to stop and browse. From enginepaul at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 08:06:37 2008 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:06:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <001f01c9293f$ef626010$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <001f01c9293f$ef626010$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0810080806m2049976ctee1bec95c1d0854f@mail.gmail.com> Dear visitors; Before buying from one of those bargain places, get the San Francisco District Attorney's phone number first; you'll need it. The main tip - here or anywhere - is to see the store's return policy. It will almost always be for 'store credit only.' That means you have to go to the store and buy something else from that same crook and if you aren't in town, that's too bad. Just one trick they used was to have lenses in three price ranges. If you actually looked at the lenses, you would see they are all the same. The sales person would size you up and show what he thought was your price range and show you that one. Try asking to see the most expensive, look at it closely, then ask to see the cheapest one. They probably won't even show it to you and accuse you of wasting their time or just plain tell you to leave. If you do buy, NEVER let them wrap it for you; look at it before you leave the store. Adolph Gasser is an old line camera store that pros buy from, but they may not be the cheapest. Honesty isn't free. You may want to try Ritz Camera in the Stonestown mall; there are two higher end department stores and lots of places for the ladies to spend money too. My wife walks over there for exercise and it costs at least a hundred dollars per trip. If someone steals your camera, I can take you down to 6th Street and we can try and get it back from one of the hock shops, but don't go there alone. It may be hard to spot the thieves in the City, but when at the cable car turntable at the wharf just look at those nice apartments on both side of the street. Those are public housing projects. Some of the most expensive in the world (our China Town has a more expensive one) but the chances of someone living there having a criminal record is pretty good. What a great city! You live at the Wharf for free, or you live a couple of blocks away and pay thousands per month. I guess it's all OK because those taxpayers have lots of money to spare. Enjoy your trip. Paul in SanFran From George_Best at adp.com Wed Oct 8 08:39:09 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:39:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0810080806m2049976ctee1bec95c1d0854f@mail.gmail.com> References: <001f01c9293f$ef626010$0200a8c0@PETER> <8d3c36fb0810080806m2049976ctee1bec95c1d0854f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908883B2F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Are any of the west coast members of this list going to the EDGE&TA Branch 13 swap meet at Woodland CA? I'm seriously thinking of driving down for it. Its only about 600 miles or so each way ;-) May take an engine or two and see if anyone still has money to spend. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 10:27:03 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:27:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <001b01c9293e$f83ae410$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081007184103.00c54aa0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <6f6025160810071436yd1f85fandc3b8a1478c9e7b9@mail.gmail.com> <000001c928d9$ba20dd20$2e629760$@net.au> <6f6025160810072302x3f1f6124m89f850f87c8bf15d@mail.gmail.com> <000501c92931$6d857950$0200a8c0@PETER> <6f6025160810080401w12782842yea62de2426504195@mail.gmail.com> <001b01c9293e$f83ae410$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <6f6025160810081027y4cec1314hdd0624d495da9fa7@mail.gmail.com> On 08/10/2008, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Pete > You got it mate, Market Street sounds right, I think you should give Rita > your Visa card and point her to the ladies shops down the road, because you > can waste at least 2 hours in there no problem. > I took kaye back to our hotel in China Town for her afternoon nap and I ran > back down the hill. I got back out just on dark and Kaye was waiting for me > to take her out to dinner. She knew where I was though. ;-)) > Peter, Oz LOL! I can imagine Kaye "waiting" for you! :-)) The store is just down from Market and Powell, where the cable cars start from. We drive up from St Bruno, park the hire car in Golden Gate Park at the seashore end where it's free, walk just round the corner and we are on the main trolley bus route straight to Market St., the bus stop is literally on that corner. We bought the City Passport 7-day ticket last time we were there, it worked out cheaper than paying fares on the buses and cable cars in town. We also go to the Green Apple bookshop on Clement, that's good for a couple or three hours at least! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 10:29:42 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:29:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0810080806m2049976ctee1bec95c1d0854f@mail.gmail.com> References: <001f01c9293f$ef626010$0200a8c0@PETER> <8d3c36fb0810080806m2049976ctee1bec95c1d0854f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160810081029o5126000bk1cc8c4b506e1da3b@mail.gmail.com> On 08/10/2008, P. Johns wrote: > Dear visitors; > > Before buying from one of those bargain places, get the San Francisco > District Attorney's phone number first; you'll need it. The main tip - here > or anywhere - is to see the store's return policy. It will almost always be > for 'store credit only.' That means you have to go to the store and buy > something else from that same crook and if you aren't in town, that's too > bad. > Hi Paul: We have been there a few times now, this is our fourth visit, so we are aware, but many thanks for the warning. Like most tourist shops, they are mainly Grey Import merchants, none are on the authorised dealer lists for any of the major camera manufacturers. Thanks again, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 10:33:57 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:33:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures (Fisherman's Wharf) In-Reply-To: <1223475263.48ecc03fc3532@webmail.city-net.com> References: <6f6025160810080443o4a31a7b6p2b8b108ebd2291aa@mail.gmail.com> <1223475263.48ecc03fc3532@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160810081033k4143c6cel81a50a7366b1b979@mail.gmail.com> On 08/10/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Good Grief!! How can you mention Fisherman's Wharf and bloody camera shops? > > Think SEAFOOD!!!! My recommendation is Scoma's Restaurant. > http://www.scomas.com/ AWESOME seafood! The best dish on the menu is > CIOPPINO ALLA PESCATORE (think Portuguese Bouillabaisse). Also noteworthy > are > calamari and Dungeness crab (both served in many different ways). Drool.... I'm sure your stomach runs your life sometimes! :-)) I'll bet that Dungeness Crab hasn't been anywhere near the south Kent coast, or maybe it's radioactive (WAGR)..... no wonder you like them! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Oct 8 10:53:10 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:53:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081008191357.00c5a4f8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 08/10/2008, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:36:09 +0100 >From: Listerdiesel >Subject: Re: [SEL] engine pictures > >On 07/10/2008, Jerry Evans wrote: > > 2) Something very important with digital camera's is "battery > > life". Some of them really "chew" batteries. Do not go for anything that > > uses "proprietary" battery packs - they're expensive. Rechargeable > > penlights (AA) work well for me. They're not expensive and you can also buy > > normal AA batteries almost anywhere if your rechargeable batteries run > > flat. I once bought an HP digital but returned it within the 7 day "cooling > > off" period - darn thing only took about 15 shots per set of batteries. > > Remember also that the more you use the zoom feature and the flash the more > > battery power it will use up. > >Have to disagree strongly with that, Jerry. > >Sony Infolithium gives a running battery life total in the battery >viewfinder, and if you buy the accessory dual Sony chargers, they also >give 'battery life' and 'time to charge' figures as well. > >Look up Sony AC-SQ950 for the M series battery charger as an example. > >At Buckley & Portland we were getting 300+ shots out of one battery >charge, and although I carried a spare battery with me, I never had to >change it all day. We recharged each night obviously. > >My son on the other hand is always complaining that his Fuji always >runs out of battery power when he is least expecting it! He has tried >the high capacity NiMH batteries too, but gets little warning of when >they are going to go down on him. > >We are biased towards Sony as we have a lot of their kit, but with >something like 16000 images taken over the past 6 years or so, we have >established a track record with Sony product that we think is hard to >beat. > >Peter Hi Peter, I never said anything bad about Sony! I have Infolithium's on my Sony Mini DV video camcorder - the whole Infolithium system is very good. Also have the digital battery readout in both the Sony and the Fuji. I did say that they were expensive and stick to this. Maybe I should say that they are expensive in South Africa - I dunno about elsewhere. I do have a spare for the video camera and it was darn expensive. My Fuji takes 4 rechargeable penlights. I use the Ni-MH type and can buy many of these for the price of a Sony battery. I photographed the tractors at Sandstone about 3 years ago with this camera and each one involved zooming and many also needed forced flash. I was taking between 1200 and 1500 pics @ 3Mpixels per day and only had 2 sets of batteries at the time (and some Duracells just in case). I had to change batteries 3 times a day but by the time the 2nd set was finished the first set was again fully charged. (O.K. they were brand new then - I probably would not be able to repeat that today) Another advantage of using standard "off the shelf batteries" is - you can buy them anywhere. I went to a show last year and (stupidly) left my batteries at home in the charger. No problem - dash into the nearest supermarket and pick up some Duracells and I'm back in business - I do not think you can do that with a camera that takes a proprietary battery pack. Now, having said that, I do agree that the Sony camera's are very good - I just prefer my Fuji and the fact that it is very light on batteries. Does your sons Fuji also have a readout indicator for battery life? The one in my Fuji works fine and if I watch it I never run out unexpectedly. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Oct 8 10:57:09 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:57:09 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Subject: Re: engine pictures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081008195338.01ce4260@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 08/10/2008, you wrote: >Message: 3 >Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:20:46 -0700 (PDT) >From: Alan >Subject: Re: [SEL] engine pictures > >Hi Jerry, > >"a cheap film camera and have digital prints made" >This statement means a one time use $3.00 to $4.00 sealed 35MM camera that >usually will take 27 pictures. >I saw some that were less than two bucks, but you have to make sure they >have a flash at that price. >If you know when to use the flash and when not to you can take good >pictures with it. > >When you take it back to walmart you can get a $1.99 CD with all of the >pictures on it. >You go home and shove that Cd into your computer and work on those >pictures just like the ones we take with digital cameras. > >It is a good deal if you are not ready to buy that digital camera right then. > >Alan in Michigan Hi Alan, Tom mentioned he wanted to replace his old "cheap" digital camera. I do not see much sense in going backwards. I stand by my comments on film cameras. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Oct 8 11:27:21 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:27:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] engine pictures (Fisherman's Wharf) Message-ID: In a message dated 10/8/2008 10:22:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: Good Grief!! How can you mention Fisherman's Wharf and bloody camera shops Arnie, Already had breakfast and was not hungry! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Oct 8 11:39:15 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:39:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures (Fisherman's Wharf) In-Reply-To: <6f6025160810081033k4143c6cel81a50a7366b1b979@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160810080443o4a31a7b6p2b8b108ebd2291aa@mail.gmail.com> <1223475263.48ecc03fc3532@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160810081033k4143c6cel81a50a7366b1b979@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1223491155.48ecfe53dca0b@webmail.city-net.com> Whaddya mean "sometimes"? 8-)) Some people eat to live. I live to eat. BTW if someone tells you that the Dungeness crab that they're serving you DID come from the South Kent coast of England, run away, cos it's some kind of fake crap (probably minced cat and carp), not the real thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeness_crab See ya, Arnie Quoting Listerdiesel : > > Think SEAFOOD!!!! My recommendation is Scoma's Restaurant. > > http://www.scomas.com/ AWESOME seafood! The best dish on the menu is > > CIOPPINO ALLA PESCATORE (think Portuguese Bouillabaisse). Also noteworthy > > are calamari and Dungeness crab (both served in many different ways). > > Drool.... > > I'm sure your stomach runs your life sometimes! :-)) > > I'll bet that Dungeness Crab hasn't been anywhere near the south Kent > coast, or maybe it's radioactive (WAGR)..... no wonder you like them! From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Oct 8 13:46:09 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:46:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908883B2F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20081008204609.A1C1665B430@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi George, I'll be there Sat. noon when the gate opens. The price of fuel is dropping so it will probably have a decent turn out but maybe just a lot of Looky loos. I'm broke but my social director Pam always has money. I just have to practice my "YES DEAR's" to get it. CYA maybe, Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:39 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month Are any of the west coast members of this list going to the EDGE&TA Branch 13 swap meet at Woodland CA? I'm seriously thinking of driving down for it. Its only about 600 miles or so each way ;-) May take an engine or two and see if anyone still has money to spend. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 8 15:36:52 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:36:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FW: Fairbanks Morse Engine Message-ID: If anyone can help Don with his engine please email him direct at the address below: ddernbach at gmail.com Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _____ From: Don Dernbach [mailto:ddernbach at gmail.com] Hi, Can you help me get info on an old air cooled Fairbanks Morse two cylinder in line engine? The tag has this info on it: Made CW (sez made but may mean model) TYPE20 X1-2B7-4 Serial number 4969101 MFD Y-80 Could have been made in the 50's or 60's Hard to find info on the web for this one. Don 619-561-3883 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 22:37:04 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 06:37:04 +0100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081008191357.00c5a4f8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081008191357.00c5a4f8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6f6025160810082237s22aba454qf121b8b05f9925e7@mail.gmail.com> On 08/10/2008, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Peter, > I never said anything bad about Sony! We didn't say you did, Jerry! >I have Infolithium's on my > Sony Mini DV video camcorder - the whole Infolithium system is very good. > Also have the digital battery readout in both the Sony and the Fuji. > > I did say that they were expensive and stick to this. Maybe I > should say that they are expensive in South Africa - I dunno about > elsewhere. I do have a spare for the video camera and it was darn expensive. They are expensive at first issue, but they drop away pretty quickly once the Chinese start making cheap copies, then you have to try and ensure that you have a genuine Sony battery. > My Fuji takes 4 rechargeable penlights. I use the Ni-MH type and > can buy many of these for the price of a Sony battery. I photographed the > tractors at Sandstone about 3 years ago with this camera and each one > involved zooming and many also needed forced flash. I was taking between > 1200 and 1500 pics @ 3Mpixels per day and only had 2 sets of batteries at > the time (and some Duracells just in case). I had to change batteries 3 > times a day but by the time the 2nd set was finished the first set was > again fully charged. (O.K. they were brand new then - I probably would not > be able to repeat that today) > > > Another advantage of using standard "off the shelf batteries" is - > you can buy them anywhere. I went to a show last year and (stupidly) left > my batteries at home in the charger. No problem - dash into the nearest > supermarket and pick up some Duracells and I'm back in business - I do not > think you can do that with a camera that takes a proprietary battery pack. > > Now, having said that, I do agree that the Sony camera's are very > good - I just prefer my Fuji and the fact that it is very light on > batteries. Does your sons Fuji also have a readout indicator for battery > life? The one in my Fuji works fine and if I watch it I never run out > unexpectedly. I'll check which batteries Philip's camera uses, I don't use it myself so am not too familiar with the controls etc. The NP-FM50 battery is common to three of our cameras, the earlier NP-F330 and NP-F550 are common to most of the Mavicas. The odd ones out are the DVD digicam and the little DSC-V1, both have different batteries to everything else. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 22:39:51 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 06:39:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Subject: Re: engine pictures In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081008195338.01ce4260@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081008195338.01ce4260@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6f6025160810082239w2975a15kb29cfdb42aa17a38@mail.gmail.com> On 08/10/2008, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Alan, > Tom mentioned he wanted to replace his old "cheap" digital camera. > I do not see much sense in going backwards. > I stand by my comments on film cameras. > Yes, I'd agree with that, especially with a lot of film producers now stopping production. We made the break some years ago and wouldn't go back now, there is simply no advantage in doing so. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Oct 9 11:14:22 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:14:22 +0200 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081009194519.00c25858@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 09/10/2008, you wrote: >Message: 10 >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 06:37:04 +0100 >From: Listerdiesel >Subject: Re: [SEL] engine pictures >On 08/10/2008, Jerry Evans wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > I never said anything bad about Sony! >We didn't say you did, Jerry! >Peter A Forbes Thanks Peter, Maybe I should rephrase that - "I omitted to mention Sony's good points because I was concentrating on "Fuji". They're both "good" camera's and I have one of each make. Back to subject - What camera suits "Tom" best? I'd warrant that all of the above discussions will revert to Tom's "personal preference" i) What type of photographer is he and what does he want the camera for ? ii) Does it handle "Automatic" well ? iii) How much is he prepared to spend ? Peter, thanks for agreeing on my comments re.: "film cameras". Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Oct 9 11:36:31 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:36:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Auction Message-ID: <1223577391.48ee4f2fe9ed9@webmail.city-net.com> FYI... ----- Forwarded message from Richard Fink Sr ----- Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:28:31 -0700 From: Richard Fink Sr Reply-To: Richard Fink Sr Could not get this to post on sel if some one could send it around To any one that may have a interest. There is an auction in my area this weekend Saturday the 11. It is listed under www. Auctionzip.com id no 6601. Woodbury PA the late Rex Beach Ph 814-793-3900 R Fink From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 13:58:14 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 21:58:14 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum / IMechE Presentation to JCB Message-ID: <6f6025160810091358u7a076a52m1eb57dfde0b72ca1@mail.gmail.com> We had an interesting day at the Anson Engine Museum today, on the occasion of the presentation by the Institute of mechanical Engineers of an Engineering Heritage Award to JCB, for the Dieselmax engine that was used in the recent world-speed record for diesel engined vehicles. We got there early so had to time to top up our pictures for our own websites, and also to go round and take notes for those previously posted that have no or incorrect captions. The presentation was a fairly informal affair, set in the diesel exhibition hall, surrounded by old and new diesel engines of all types, including the 1st diesel built in the UK and the 3rd diesel in the world. I have some pictures of the ceremony and will get them up on the websites over the weekend, we've just arrived back home at 10pm having left this morning early to go to Crewe and Bury first. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From kosh at ncweb.com Thu Oct 9 14:20:33 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:20:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum / IMechE Presentation to JCB In-Reply-To: <6f6025160810091358u7a076a52m1eb57dfde0b72ca1@mail.gmail.co m> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081009171308.02ad5600@ncweb.com> One of the US cable channels, either History or Discovery, has shown (several times) a program about Speed Week at Bonneville, which includes the problems that the JCB team went thru to get the record. Unfortunately, the car included some computers, which of course were blamed for most of the problems. The program primarily focused on 3 teams, JCB, a teenage girl's first time in a rather fast streamliner, and a privateer with a Sunbeam Tiger. Excellent show, with a lot about the people who do this. Makes you want to go out there sometime Dave Merchant At 04:58 PM 10/9/2008, you wrote: >We had an interesting day at the Anson Engine Museum today, on the >occasion of the presentation by the Institute of mechanical Engineers >of an Engineering Heritage Award to JCB, for the Dieselmax engine that >was used in the recent world-speed record for diesel engined vehicles. > >We got there early so had to time to top up our pictures for our own >websites, and also to go round and take notes for those previously >posted that have no or incorrect captions. > >The presentation was a fairly informal affair, set in the diesel >exhibition hall, surrounded by old and new diesel engines of all >types, including the 1st diesel built in the UK and the 3rd diesel in >the world. > >I have some pictures of the ceremony and will get them up on the >websites over the weekend, we've just arrived back home at 10pm having >left this morning early to go to Crewe and Bury first. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Oct 9 17:15:27 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:15:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] apple cider mill help Message-ID: Friend called tonight. He wants to fix up and old apple cider mill to grind cider using an electric motor. The mill has a 10 inch x 2 1/2 inch flat pulley on it. Motor is 1725 rpm with a 5/8 diameter shaft and 3/16 keyway. What would be the recommended rpm of the mill? And then where can we find a pulley short of making one? Of course it is probably a small pulley and could make an aluminum one on the old SB lathe. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From gremaux at midrivers.com Thu Oct 9 17:42:41 2008 From: gremaux at midrivers.com (Frank) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 18:42:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] apple cider mill help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28A1B595AFAD4E9AACD3881196EC58C7@FrankPC> should bring it to me so I can run it with a stationary engine then you will not need additional pulley Frank gremaux at midrivers.com There is no place like 127.0.0.1 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: [SEL] apple cider mill help > Friend called tonight. He wants to fix up and old apple cider mill to > grind > cider using an electric motor. The mill has a 10 inch x 2 1/2 inch flat > pulley on it. Motor is 1725 rpm with a 5/8 diameter shaft and 3/16 > keyway. > What would be the recommended rpm of the mill? And then where can we > find a > pulley short of making one? Of course it is probably a small pulley and > could > make an aluminum one on the old SB lathe. > > Thanks, > > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > > > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your > destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Thu Oct 9 19:04:00 2008 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:04:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] apple cider mill help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48EEB810.3070802@telenet.net> Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Friend called tonight. He wants to fix up and old apple cider mill to grind > cider using an electric motor. The mill has a 10 inch x 2 1/2 inch flat > pulley on it. Motor is 1725 rpm with a 5/8 diameter shaft and 3/16 keyway. > What would be the recommended rpm of the mill? And then where can we find a > pulley short of making one? Of course it is probably a small pulley and could > make an aluminum one on the old SB lathe. > > Thanks, > > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > If you are talking about the grinder speed. I wouldn't turn one any faster than 60-70 RPM. To use that motor you will want a jack shaft with pulleys at both ends. Put a 2" pulley on the motor going to a 10" on the jack shaft and on the other end of the shaft use a 2" pulley to drive the 10". Install the jack shaft solidly and install the motor with an over center style lock. That way you can just pull a lever to disengage the motor. What you would end up with is about 70 RPM. Figure 1725 RPM through the first 5:1 reduction = 345 RPM That 345 RPM through the second stage of 5:1 reduction will give you 69 RPM. The reason you don't want the grinder running much faster is that most are NOT close to precision balanced or built. They will shake themselves to death and take you with them at higher speeds. Now if his mill uses a screw style press then that section will be powered by Armstrong! -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From shop at cccomm.net Fri Oct 10 07:06:18 2008 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:06:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month References: <001f01c9293f$ef626010$0200a8c0@PETER><8d3c36fb0810080806m2049976ctee1bec95c1d0854f@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908883B2F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George, I'm taking a couple of engines I hope to sell. Officially, the meet begins on Sunday, and is coordinated by Smokey Stover (the great grandson and avid collector). The gate into the meet area is opened at noon on Saturday for set up. The real swap meet begins around 9 to 10 on Saturday morning and a lot of the big stuff is usually sold before the gate opens. I generally don't stay for Sunday as I usually have spent my wad...... Dave in Nevada ps. A daily watch of Ebay still hasn't produced a spring winder...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:39 AM Subject: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month Are any of the west coast members of this list going to the EDGE&TA Branch 13 swap meet at Woodland CA? I'm seriously thinking of driving down for it. Its only about 600 miles or so each way ;-) May take an engine or two and see if anyone still has money to spend. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1713 - Release Date: 10/7/2008 6:40 PM From shop at cccomm.net Fri Oct 10 07:10:17 2008 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:10:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures (Fisherman's Wharf) References: <6f6025160810080443o4a31a7b6p2b8b108ebd2291aa@mail.gmail.com> <1223475263.48ecc03fc3532@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <14C9DB668F65419DAA0487E732329397@YOURA8CFD79427> Arnie, I Haven't been there for about a year and you are making my mouth water................ Just the aroma floating around the sidewalks makes one crave to eat at the first place you come to Who runs the Grotto now? Still the Alioto's? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] engine pictures (Fisherman's Wharf) Good Grief!! How can you mention Fisherman's Wharf and bloody camera shops? Think SEAFOOD!!!! My recommendation is Scoma's Restaurant. http://www.scomas.com/ AWESOME seafood! The best dish on the menu is CIOPPINO ALLA PESCATORE (think Portuguese Bouillabaisse). Also noteworthy are calamari and Dungeness crab (both served in many different ways). Drool.... Quoting Listerdiesel : > On 08/10/2008, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > Just walk down the street around Fishermans Wharf. Lots of "doors > > open" > > camera shops waiting for "Joe tourist" to stop and browse. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1713 - Release Date: 10/7/2008 6:40 PM From gremaux at midrivers.com Fri Oct 10 07:26:39 2008 From: gremaux at midrivers.com (Frank) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:26:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: At one time someone on here was in the business of selling flat belt fasteners...I have one I need to put in a new splice and wondering where I can find some thanks in advance Frank gremaux at midrivers.com There is no place like 127.0.0.1 From George_Best at adp.com Fri Oct 10 09:28:56 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:28:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month In-Reply-To: References: <001f01c9293f$ef626010$0200a8c0@PETER><8d3c36fb0810080806m2049976ctee1bec95c1d0854f@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908883B2F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590891D162@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Dave, I've been going to the Branch 13 swap meet for a long time. Went to the Bottimore ranch for years before the swap meet was moved to the Yolo county fairgrounds. I thought it was more fun back in the Bottimore years, but the current location is a bit closer for me to drive to. I doubt I'll be there for the gate opening on Saturday, but should be there early afternoon. If I remember and have room, I may bring the spring winder along and you can measure it if you want to fabricate one. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ernst Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 7:06 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month George, I'm taking a couple of engines I hope to sell. Officially, the meet begins on Sunday, and is coordinated by Smokey Stover (the great grandson and avid collector). The gate into the meet area is opened at noon on Saturday for set up. The real swap meet begins around 9 to 10 on Saturday morning and a lot of the big stuff is usually sold before the gate opens. I generally don't stay for Sunday as I usually have spent my wad...... Dave in Nevada ps. A daily watch of Ebay still hasn't produced a spring winder...... This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jdohagan at comcast.net Fri Oct 10 10:09:52 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:09:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590891D162@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20081010170953.67C5E4448A5@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> George I miss the Mustang! Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 9:29 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month Dave, I've been going to the Branch 13 swap meet for a long time. Went to the Bottimore ranch for years before the swap meet was moved to the Yolo county fairgrounds. I thought it was more fun back in the Bottimore years, but the current location is a bit closer for me to drive to. I doubt I'll be there for the gate opening on Saturday, but should be there early afternoon. If I remember and have room, I may bring the spring winder along and you can measure it if you want to fabricate one. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ernst Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 7:06 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month George, I'm taking a couple of engines I hope to sell. Officially, the meet begins on Sunday, and is coordinated by Smokey Stover (the great grandson and avid collector). The gate into the meet area is opened at noon on Saturday for set up. The real swap meet begins around 9 to 10 on Saturday morning and a lot of the big stuff is usually sold before the gate opens. I generally don't stay for Sunday as I usually have spent my wad...... Dave in Nevada ps. A daily watch of Ebay still hasn't produced a spring winder...... This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Oct 10 10:26:52 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:26:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures (Fisherman's Wharf) In-Reply-To: <14C9DB668F65419DAA0487E732329397@YOURA8CFD79427> References: <6f6025160810080443o4a31a7b6p2b8b108ebd2291aa@mail.gmail.com> <1223475263.48ecc03fc3532@webmail.city-net.com> <14C9DB668F65419DAA0487E732329397@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <1223659612.48ef905c7ca01@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Dave, It looks like Alioto's is still in the family. It's also an EXCELLENT seafood joint. http://www.aliotos.com/history.htm There is another resturant at Fisherman's Wharf that called the Old Fisherman's Grotto. I don't know anything about that place. http://www.oldfishermansgrotto.com/ Quoting Dave Ernst : > Who runs the Grotto now? Still the Alioto's? From George_Best at adp.com Fri Oct 10 10:36:48 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:36:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month In-Reply-To: <20081010170953.67C5E4448A5@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590891D162@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20081010170953.67C5E4448A5@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590891D342@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> For those unfamiliar with the Bottimore swap meet it was held on a private airstrip. Someone with a P51 Mustang plane would occasionally buzz the swapmeet. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 10:10 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month George I miss the Mustang! Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 9:29 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month Dave, I've been going to the Branch 13 swap meet for a long time. Went to the Bottimore ranch for years before the swap meet was moved to the Yolo county fairgrounds. I thought it was more fun back in the Bottimore years, but the current location is a bit closer for me to drive to. I doubt I'll be there for the gate opening on Saturday, but should be there early afternoon. If I remember and have room, I may bring the spring winder along and you can measure it if you want to fabricate one. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 10:44:23 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:44:23 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum / IMechE Presentation to JCB In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20081009171308.02ad5600@ncweb.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20081009171308.02ad5600@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160810101044y34f8e164g4a0aac46b61aa392@mail.gmail.com> On 09/10/2008, Dave Merchant wrote: > One of the US cable channels, either History or Discovery, > has shown (several times) a program about Speed Week > at Bonneville, which includes the problems that the JCB team > went thru to get the record. Unfortunately, the car included > some computers, which of course were blamed for most > of the problems. One of the freebies at the presentation (unexpectedly) was a small pile of DVD's about the whole JCB project. We managed to snaffle the last one.... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Oct 10 10:58:30 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:58:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] apple cider mill help Message-ID: Steve, Thanks for the information. I should have realized it needed to run very slow. Now to find some parts for him. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 10 15:05:57 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:05:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Franks..what's the thickness of the belt? Rickin East Helena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 8:26 AM Subject: [SEL] (no subject) > At one time someone on here was in the business of selling flat belt > fasteners...I have one I need to put in a new splice and wondering where I > can find some > > thanks in advance > > Frank > gremaux at midrivers.com > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Oct 10 16:15:45 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:15:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: Hit & Miss has them. Here is the link - _http://www.hitnmiss.com/25a.html_ (http://www.hitnmiss.com/25a.html) > At one time someone on here was in the business of selling flat belt > fasteners...I have one I need to put in a new splice and wondering where I > can find some **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From gremaux at midrivers.com Fri Oct 10 16:53:50 2008 From: gremaux at midrivers.com (Frank) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:53:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <506F6CCB23C54AECA93D93AB8E623EA3@FrankPC> bout as thick as a silver dollar....no clue but seems to me like I used one that had the number 25 on it? Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > Franks..what's the thickness of the belt? > > Rickin East Helena > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 8:26 AM > Subject: [SEL] (no subject) > > >> At one time someone on here was in the business of selling flat belt >> fasteners...I have one I need to put in a new splice and wondering where >> I >> can find some >> >> thanks in advance >> >> Frank >> gremaux at midrivers.com >> There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gremaux at midrivers.com Fri Oct 10 17:04:53 2008 From: gremaux at midrivers.com (Frank) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:04:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75727AE721824DFCB19760B00044C1D3@FrankPC> Thanks for your help FRM Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > Hit & Miss has them. Here is the link - > _http://www.hitnmiss.com/25a.html_ > (http://www.hitnmiss.com/25a.html) > > > >> At one time someone on here was in the business of selling flat belt >> fasteners...I have one I need to put in a new splice and wondering where >> I >> can find some > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your > destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Fri Oct 10 18:13:32 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:13:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <506F6CCB23C54AECA93D93AB8E623EA3@FrankPC> Message-ID: <001901c92b3e$95344fd0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> I'd think most any dealer or farm store would have them to use with round baler belts? Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- bout as thick as a silver dollar....no clue but seems to me like I used one that had the number 25 on it? Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > Franks..what's the thickness of the belt? > > Rickin East Helena > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 8:26 AM > Subject: [SEL] (no subject) > > >> At one time someone on here was in the business of selling flat belt >> fasteners...I have one I need to put in a new splice and wondering where >> I >> can find some >> >> thanks in advance >> >> Frank >> gremaux at midrivers.com >> There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >> From falcon at telenet.net Fri Oct 10 18:26:35 2008 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:26:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] apple cider mill help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F000CB.6000804@telenet.net> Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Steve, > > Thanks for the information. I should have realized it needed to run very > slow. Now to find some parts for him. > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > Trust me the first time you turned it on at a higher speed you would have immediately figured it out! For shows and such I just crank mine by hand. Gives the "kids" something to do. -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From weolson at wiktel.com Sat Oct 11 13:34:52 2008 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:34:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hand made Electric Motors Message-ID: <1035453596.20081011153452@wiktel.com> Hi SEL, One of you gentleman, at least I assume that you are, recently posted a web site where you had made some interesting electric motors from parts salvaged from some hard drives. I seem to have lost it, my grand daughter may have deleated it without knowing it (good excuse anyway). Could you please post it again? Thank you. This time I may save it for later. William Olson Roosevelt, MN USA -- Thanks, William mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Outgoing mail scanned by Comodo AntiVirus From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Oct 11 15:51:19 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:51:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hand made Electric Motors In-Reply-To: <1035453596.20081011153452@wiktel.com> Message-ID: William: It may have been me, although I ain't 'zackly a "gentleman". More like a transmogrified Kaintuck hillbilly. Check out my website (below my signature). Take care - Elden In the heart of the Redneck Riviera. http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of William > Olson > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 03:35 PM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Hand made Electric Motors > > > Hi SEL, > > One of you gentleman, at least I assume that > you are, recently posted a web site where you had > made some interesting electric motors from parts > salvaged from some hard drives. I seem to have > lost it, my grand daughter may have deleated it > without knowing it (good excuse anyway). Could > you please post it again? Thank you. This time > I may save it for later. > > William Olson > Roosevelt, MN USA From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Oct 12 03:14:35 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:14:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Alan Wheaton from Wagga Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081012211306.020b3288@ncable.com.au> G'day All, could somebody send me Alan Wheaton from Wagga Wagga's contact details please regards Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Sun Oct 12 03:53:17 2008 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:53:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Alan Wheaton from Wagga References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081012211306.020b3288@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <003901c92c58$bc1affc0$0201010a@JBCooper> Hi Russell, Address for Alan Wheaton for National Rally bookings is >> awheaton at adam.com.au Regards, John Cooper, Bega N.S.W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "SEL" Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Looking for Alan Wheaton from Wagga > > G'day All, could somebody send me Alan Wheaton from Wagga Wagga's > contact details please > regards Russell > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1720 - Release Date: 10/11/2008 3:59 PM From alanwh at iinet.net.au Sun Oct 12 05:07:25 2008 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan Wheaton) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:07:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Alan Wheaton from Wagga In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081012211306.020b3288@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081012211306.020b3288@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <18F6A1A23BFF4ECCB53E00051553E93C@shack> Hi Russell Still here Alan 0408593211 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell Gilbert Sent: Sunday, 12 October 2008 9:15 PM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] Looking for Alan Wheaton from Wagga G'day All, could somebody send me Alan Wheaton from Wagga Wagga's contact details please regards Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Oct 12 05:08:07 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:08:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Alan Wheaton from Wagga Message-ID: <101220081208.20964.48F1E8A70004CD51000051E4219792676103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hey Russell Alan is on skype: vk2KAW mobile phone: +61408593211 email I think: alanwh at iinet.net.au regards, Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: Russell Gilbert To: SEL Subject: [SEL] Looking for Alan Wheaton from Wagga Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:24:22 +0000 > G'day All, could somebody send me Alan Wheaton from Wagga Wagga's > contact details please > regards Russell > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alanwh at iinet.net.au Sun Oct 12 05:13:35 2008 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan Wheaton) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:13:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Alan Wheaton from Wagga In-Reply-To: <003901c92c58$bc1affc0$0201010a@JBCooper> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081012211306.020b3288@ncable.com.au> <003901c92c58$bc1affc0$0201010a@JBCooper> Message-ID: That is another confusing thing I must meet my other namesake when we go to the national rally :-) Alan Wheaton >From Wagga Wagga -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John & Beryl Cooper Sent: Sunday, 12 October 2008 9:53 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for Alan Wheaton from Wagga Hi Russell, Address for Alan Wheaton for National Rally bookings is >> awheaton at adam.com.au Regards, John Cooper, Bega N.S.W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "SEL" Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Looking for Alan Wheaton from Wagga > > G'day All, could somebody send me Alan Wheaton from Wagga Wagga's > contact details please > regards Russell > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1720 - Release Date: 10/11/2008 3:59 PM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Oct 12 15:30:15 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:30:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Alan Wheaton from Wagga In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081012211306.020b3288@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081012211306.020b3288@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081013092752.0231b010@ncable.com.au> Thanks everyone for replying. Alan contacted me direct. I meant to ask you the other day Curt but run out of time before we finished chatting. Thanks also to all for the off list replies. regards Russell At 09:14 PM 12/10/2008, you wrote: >G'day All, could somebody send me Alan Wheaton from Wagga Wagga's >contact details please >regards Russell >Russell Gilbert >Sunny Sunraysia >russell at ncable.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From ashpow at westnet.com.au Sun Oct 12 16:27:36 2008 From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (Ash Powell) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:27:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia Message-ID: <70A11EE0757A488BA55F9F286B104ABF@MINIBEAST> Hey all I've just joined up and am looking forward to making a start on my first project, when I find one!! I've been restoring old motorcycles for a while now but have lately become interested in these old engines. Where is the best place to find these old beasts? I've been to a couple of swap meets but no luck. Has anyone got an engine they want to sell? I'm in Armidale, Australia. Thanks everyone, look forward to annoying you with stupid questions...haha Ash From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sun Oct 12 17:03:24 2008 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:03:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia References: <70A11EE0757A488BA55F9F286B104ABF@MINIBEAST> Message-ID: <8CF56C8242534E9680885F8D2FFB9E80@your46e94owx6a> Hi Ash, Welcome to the SEL. If you were in the US I would be more than happy to help you out with an engine purchase. There are quite a few from OZ on the list and they can help you with where to go and who to see. For your first engine get one that is complete, doesn't have to work but it all needs to be there. When you are an expert you can buy engines with missing parts as you will be able to better judge how hard the parts are to get or make. Another thing you might consider is a common engine as there are lots of people that can help you out. Hope that helps a little, BTW what state is Armidale in, give us a reference from a bigger city? Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ash Powell" To: Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia Hey all I've just joined up and am looking forward to making a start on my first project, when I find one!! I've been restoring old motorcycles for a while now but have lately become interested in these old engines. Where is the best place to find these old beasts? I've been to a couple of swap meets but no luck. Has anyone got an engine they want to sell? I'm in Armidale, Australia. Thanks everyone, look forward to annoying you with stupid questions...haha Ash _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1721 - Release Date: 10/12/2008 12:00 PM From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Sun Oct 12 19:20:34 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:20:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia In-Reply-To: <70A11EE0757A488BA55F9F286B104ABF@MINIBEAST> References: <70A11EE0757A488BA55F9F286B104ABF@MINIBEAST> Message-ID: <48F2B072.8080405@rustic-engines.com> Try this mob Ash. > http://www.armidale.nsw.gov.au/communityorgs/printable/2750.html Cheers, Al Harris Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Ash Powell wrote: > Hey all > > I've just joined up and am looking forward to making a start on my first project, when I find one!! > I've been restoring old motorcycles for a while now but have lately become interested in these old engines. > > Where is the best place to find these old beasts? > I've been to a couple of swap meets but no luck. > > Has anyone got an engine they want to sell? > I'm in Armidale, Australia. > > Thanks everyone, look forward to annoying you with stupid questions...haha > > Ash > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Sun Oct 12 18:33:11 2008 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:33:11 +0800 Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia References: <70A11EE0757A488BA55F9F286B104ABF@MINIBEAST> Message-ID: <016301c92cd3$a782f970$210110ac@Chester> Hi Ash, were is Armidale?, if you were in WA i could help, cheers, Chester from West Aus. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ash Powell" To: Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:27 AM Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia > Hey all > > I've just joined up and am looking forward to making a start on my first > project, when I find one!! > I've been restoring old motorcycles for a while now but have lately become > interested in these old engines. > > Where is the best place to find these old beasts? > I've been to a couple of swap meets but no luck. > > Has anyone got an engine they want to sell? > I'm in Armidale, Australia. > > Thanks everyone, look forward to annoying you with stupid questions...haha > > Ash > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gremaux at midrivers.com Sun Oct 12 19:17:57 2008 From: gremaux at midrivers.com (Frank) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:17:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29BA62D8C21046569F4612CC753FEE22@FrankPC> Rick it is 1/4 inch would power Townsend have alligator clips? Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > Franks..what's the thickness of the belt? > > Rickin East Helena > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 8:26 AM > Subject: [SEL] (no subject) > > >> At one time someone on here was in the business of selling flat belt >> fasteners...I have one I need to put in a new splice and wondering where >> I >> can find some >> >> thanks in advance >> >> Frank >> gremaux at midrivers.com >> There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Oct 12 20:49:19 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:49:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum / IMechE Presentation to JCB In-Reply-To: <6f6025160810091358u7a076a52m1eb57dfde0b72ca1@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160810091358u7a076a52m1eb57dfde0b72ca1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <81FC83D4-7977-4C7E-BBF3-5C1254907764@alltel.net> Hi Peter, Really looking forward to your post of the pictures. I'm looking forward to the day when you get some kind of award/recognition for all you do on your site for all of the rest of us! THANKS!!!!! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Oct 9, 2008, at 4:58 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > We had an interesting day at the Anson Engine Museum today, on the > occasion of the presentation by the Institute of mechanical Engineers > of an Engineering Heritage Award to JCB, for the Dieselmax engine that > was used in the recent world-speed record for diesel engined vehicles. > > We got there early so had to time to top up our pictures for our own > websites, and also to go round and take notes for those previously > posted that have no or incorrect captions. > > The presentation was a fairly informal affair, set in the diesel > exhibition hall, surrounded by old and new diesel engines of all > types, including the 1st diesel built in the UK and the 3rd diesel in > the world. > > I have some pictures of the ceremony and will get them up on the > websites over the weekend, we've just arrived back home at 10pm having > left this morning early to go to Crewe and Bury first. > > Peter From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Oct 12 21:09:25 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:09:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia References: <70A11EE0757A488BA55F9F286B104ABF@MINIBEAST> <016301c92cd3$a782f970$210110ac@Chester> Message-ID: Hi Chester, Ash is south west of me and I am just north of Grafton, north coast, NSW. Try here: http://www.armidale.info/ It is about 2.5 to 3 hrs I think from my place, 240kms, have not been there for a few years. Nice place, big University there. I just sold two engines, sorry Ash, but will look around my shed. ;-) Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > Hi Ash, were is Armidale?, if you were in WA i could help, cheers, > Chester from West Aus. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ash Powell" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:27 AM > Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia > > >> Hey all >> >> I've just joined up and am looking forward to making a start on my first >> project, when I find one!! >> I've been restoring old motorcycles for a while now but have lately >> become >> interested in these old engines. >> >> Where is the best place to find these old beasts? >> I've been to a couple of swap meets but no luck. >> >> Has anyone got an engine they want to sell? >> I'm in Armidale, Australia. >> >> Thanks everyone, look forward to annoying you with stupid >> questions...haha >> >> Ash >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Sun Oct 12 23:20:59 2008 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:20:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia References: <70A11EE0757A488BA55F9F286B104ABF@MINIBEAST><016301c92cd3$a782f970$210110ac@Chester> Message-ID: <019901c92cfb$dc30d110$210110ac@Chester> Ok, thanks Peter, the freight kills anything from here, cheers, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia > Hi Chester, > Ash is south west of me and I am just north of Grafton, north coast, NSW. > Try here: > http://www.armidale.info/ > It is about 2.5 to 3 hrs I think from my place, 240kms, have not been > there > for a few years. Nice place, big University there. > I just sold two engines, sorry Ash, but will look around my shed. ;-) > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > > > > > >> Hi Ash, were is Armidale?, if you were in WA i could help, cheers, >> Chester from West Aus. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ash Powell" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:27 AM >> Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia >> >> >>> Hey all >>> >>> I've just joined up and am looking forward to making a start on my first >>> project, when I find one!! >>> I've been restoring old motorcycles for a while now but have lately >>> become >>> interested in these old engines. >>> >>> Where is the best place to find these old beasts? >>> I've been to a couple of swap meets but no luck. >>> >>> Has anyone got an engine they want to sell? >>> I'm in Armidale, Australia. >>> >>> Thanks everyone, look forward to annoying you with stupid >>> questions...haha >>> >>> Ash >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 23:23:57 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:23:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum / IMechE Presentation to JCB In-Reply-To: <81FC83D4-7977-4C7E-BBF3-5C1254907764@alltel.net> References: <6f6025160810091358u7a076a52m1eb57dfde0b72ca1@mail.gmail.com> <81FC83D4-7977-4C7E-BBF3-5C1254907764@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160810122323h4abbcc6fp4e64147f17347b69@mail.gmail.com> On 13/10/2008, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Peter, Really looking forward to your post of the pictures. I'm > looking forward to the day when you get some kind of award/recognition > for all you do on your site for all of the rest of us! THANKS!!!!! > Dave Hi Dave: Pictures are all up and the caption corrections made to the earlier series of museum pictures: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/AnsonMuseum/Anson08Menu1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AnsonMuseum/Anson08Menu1.htm (You may like the inverted Crossley engines on menu pages 6 and 7) We have made changes to the display mode for this series of pictures: There are multiple images on some pages where we have more than one shot of a particular item. A lot of the engines have a general view, then we have a close-up of the cylinder head and governor etc. The power station switchboard that we saved from the Kendoon Hydro-Electric station in Scotland has now been assembled and is in one of the shots. Did you get the email re the spanner for the Austral? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Oct 13 02:59:45 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:59:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia References: <70A11EE0757A488BA55F9F286B104ABF@MINIBEAST><016301c92cd3$a782f970$210110ac@Chester> <019901c92cfb$dc30d110$210110ac@Chester> Message-ID: <396840A0F5234AF3BCE1C7622039E406@PETER> Yeah, freight is expensive, I just sent a 4hp Wolseley shearing engine from here to Melbourne, it cost the buyer $250. Maybe treble that or more from WA (that is Western Australia for the Yanks). I thought $250 was OK considering. Peter, Oz > Ok, thanks Peter, the freight kills anything from here, cheers, > Chester. > > >> Hi Chester, >> Ash is south west of me and I am just north of Grafton, north coast, NSW. >> Try here: >> http://www.armidale.info/ >> It is about 2.5 to 3 hrs I think from my place, 240kms, have not been >> there >> for a few years. Nice place, big University there. >> I just sold two engines, sorry Ash, but will look around my shed. ;-) >> >> Regards >> Peter Lowe >> R&V Engine Registrar >> Australia >> Ph: 61-266453455 >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi Ash, were is Armidale?, if you were in WA i could help, cheers, >>> Chester from West Aus. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ash Powell" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:27 AM >>> Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia >>> >>> >>>> Hey all >>>> >>>> I've just joined up and am looking forward to making a start on my >>>> first >>>> project, when I find one!! >>>> I've been restoring old motorcycles for a while now but have lately >>>> become >>>> interested in these old engines. >>>> >>>> Where is the best place to find these old beasts? >>>> I've been to a couple of swap meets but no luck. >>>> >>>> Has anyone got an engine they want to sell? >>>> I'm in Armidale, Australia. >>>> >>>> Thanks everyone, look forward to annoying you with stupid >>>> questions...haha >>>> >>>> Ash >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Oct 13 07:27:03 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:27:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <29BA62D8C21046569F4612CC753FEE22@FrankPC> References: <29BA62D8C21046569F4612CC753FEE22@FrankPC> Message-ID: Frank, I believe I can help ya out. Send your home address to Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Haven't seen them at Power Townsend but I saw them somewhere in Helena. Possibly Bearing Supply or Fastenal. How much of the white stuff ya got? About 3 inches here and may disappear today. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > Rick > it is 1/4 inch > > would power Townsend have alligator clips? > > Frank > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 4:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > > > > Franks..what's the thickness of the belt? > > > > Rickin East Helena > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Frank" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 8:26 AM > > Subject: [SEL] (no subject) > > > > > >> At one time someone on here was in the business of selling flat belt > >> fasteners...I have one I need to put in a new splice and wondering > >> where > >> I > >> can find some > >> > >> thanks in advance > >> > >> Frank > >> gremaux at midrivers.com > >> There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ashpow at westnet.com.au Mon Oct 13 18:23:24 2008 From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (Ash Powell) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:23:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re. New here Message-ID: Thanks to everyone! Yeah Armidale is on the Northern Tablelands of NSW. I've sent Emails to a couple of the local club members but am yet to receive a reply, ill jump on the phone at some point. Definitely good advice Jim, both in terms of completeness and being common. I've got a couple of more obscure Japanese motorbikes that are extremely difficult to get parts/info for, slows things down big time. That said I am open to anything at this point since ive had a hard time finding something to start on! Ash From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 14 06:55:51 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:55:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The SEL B17 Bomber- Buzzcoil story Message-ID: <006d01c92e04$920b22c0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I keep getting these notices and have no idea whom the "mod" might be . Spence ? Anyway ,the posts dont get approved , and you cats are missing out on fun stories , wonderful door prizes , and free beer . ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Your mail to 'SEL' with the subject So my ol' lady bought me a seat on a B17 Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Message has implicit destination Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Oct 14 09:02:14 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:02:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The SEL B17 Bomber- Buzzcoil story In-Reply-To: <006d01c92e04$920b22c0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <006d01c92e04$920b22c0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <39399857-845B-48DD-9F74-0E385D0B5CC3@rustyiron.com> Mr. Chuck, It means that you must explicitly name the recipient as sel at lists.stationary-engine.com in either the "to" or "cc" field of your email. Rob On Oct 14, 2008, at 6:55 AM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > I keep getting these notices and have no idea whom the "mod" might > be . Spence ? > Anyway ,the posts dont get approved , and you cats are missing out > on fun stories , > wonderful door prizes , and free beer . > ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > Your mail to 'SEL' with the subject > > So my ol' lady bought me a seat on a B17 > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > > The reason it is being held: > > Message has implicit destination > > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive > notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel > this posting, please visit the following URL From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 14 11:15:55 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:15:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Your message to SEL awaits moderator approval References: Message-ID: <002f01c92e28$e6fed640$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> AHahahahahahaha . Welcome to 1984 . But you guys and gals are worth it . > Your mail to 'SEL' with the subject > > So my ol' Lady bought me a seat on a B17G > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > > The reason it is being held: > > Message body is too big: 16451 bytes with a limit of 15 KB > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 14 11:16:41 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:16:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] B17 with buzzcoil trouble Message-ID: <003c01c92e29$02dbdcf0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> The liberty Belle was in Corpus Christi Sunday ,and she might be in Austin by now .. maybe . I plunk my Edwardian Era engine addicted butt down in the radioman's seat . Ethernet connetion ? That aint original . They start lighting off the engines when I notice the guy sitting across the plane is a long time customer at my parts store about an hour away , and as per his custom , is drunker than Cooter Brown and yelling" DONT I KNOW YOU FROM SOMEWHERE ??"". Gimme a break , I cant go anywhere . I stick my head out of the gaping hole in the top of the radio room ..smells good , lots of oil burning , mmmmm rich too . My arms are going full tilt with goosebumps . So I sit down and channel that wee shot of adrenaline into a feeble attempt at imagining the welling panic and fear of 88's and Me's . Just how much what I now have cost those that came before me . Incredibly humbling . I look outside and he's still spinning # 2 but it isnt cooperating . A couple of minutes later the engines start conking out ..one... two.. three . Silence punctuated by a couple of uh-oh's . The pilot is telling the CP he thinks it's the spark booster and then comes back through the bomb bay " Sorry folks but the number 2 engine isnt starting and we will have to deplane ." Smart ass in radio room : " You mean we just got derailed by a model T buzz coil ." He grins at the SAOD (smart ass on duty) and says " That would describe our situation ..PRECISELY ! " pointing at my nose . " We'll get her running in 15 minutes . Let's go " So we hung around the lobby in Atlantic Aviation scarfing down all their pretzels and free coffee. I was inquiring into how much it would cost to wash and wax "my Beech" pointing at the twin engine jet behind her through the window . $75 to wash and 100 wax , quite the bargain actually , when a very agitated mechanic wearing Liberty Belle gear bellies up to the bar next to me . "Where's the closest auto parts store ? " Gimme a break , I can't go anywhere . She hands him a phone book and he starts to fan through it at a rapid rate . Wait for it . Timing . Wait ... he finds the A's ...finds the page ...wait for it.. finger is sliding up and down ..and ...it stops on AutoZone . That's my cue . " Hard to find a real parts house anymore . Lots of nittwittery afoot . What do you need ? " He chuckles in agreement "Just contact cleaner " Well hell , go down to the last hangar to the HALO life flight and ask for Sonny . He'll give you a can of contact cleaner .Tell him "Chuck said " "The HALO guys are here ? " "HALO's here , they were just here getting coffee and went thataway " "That's a LOT closer ! " Slap , thump goes the phonebook and he's off like a fart in a whirlwind . I buff my nails on the front of my Bessemer T-shirt . To be continued From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 14 11:17:43 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:17:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_B17_Pt2?= Message-ID: <004501c92e29$279ac100$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> So anyway , I spent 2+ hours quietly crouched behind the tire and then in the bombardiers seat studiously watching and listening as these guys test the same half dozen circuits with the same switch in umpteen positions(on three cell phones with the actual mechanic )over and over and over and over .... until they got all wrapped around the axle .(10X better than flying around in it by my estimate ) This all didnt start at 2pm and by 5:30 everybody had left and just then wandered off somewhere and it was just me and him in the plane . " I just dont get it , we have fire and fuel .. it HAS TO RUN !" Are you talking to me ? I hadnt said a word since I came back outside nor touched anything , it just aint proper . But it seemed as if someone was asking my opinion . "Well , first thing to remember is that all engines are female and if I may say so ...To a hardcore motorhead like me ,this little situation was 10x better than anything I could have imagined ." He laughs a sarcastic "Thanks " " I have been watching closely and they tested that output lead on the spark booster at least 10 times for continutiy , so I can see why they are frustrated ." Says I . "Yeah , and it has a good spark when you energize it , grounds are open when they should be , mags are sparking , got fuel , it HAS to go." says he . " No it doesnt , you have already forgotten it's a she . It doesnt HAVE to do anything really And that high dollar model T coil that's been jacking you up has a high potential circuit , maybe 20or 30 thousand volts . If you have a perforation in the insulation , it could be leaking to ground when it has to actually jump a spark in the combustion chamber . A spark in open air ....... she eesenozeesame as a spark in the cylinder . " says I . "Come back on that again . " says he "They checked it for continuity , but that's like rolling a marble down a hydraulic hose to see if it will leak when you put 10,000 PSI through it . The marble will certainly fall out the other end , there's your continuity, but that doesnt prove if there is a hole in the hose " " Ahhhhhhh ...yeaaaaaaaah.. ...are you an aircraft mechanic ? " He had that tone I have heard a million times that says ...can YOU fix my car ? I laugh "Not exactly , tell ya what , You spin her up and hit the booster , I will spit on my hand and run it up and down the wire , if it bites me we found your problem . (I am quite certain that he had no more of an idea if it were inside conduit than I did , but I bet it is .) He busts out laughing , "Are you volunteering ?" "Are you gonna take me for a ride if we get it running ? I got a roll of plug wire and buzzcoils in the truck ." Crestfallen ,as he oviously wanted to go flying , he says , "Nah we need a plane full. " "Well screw that then . " We had a good laugh and I split . I am quite sure that I was the only one positively thrilled it wouldnt fly , and very dissapointed I didnt go home all greased up..... again . I have absolutely no idea what could have been wrong with it , but I am certainly going to find out . And I gotta remember to try and sell Sonny some more CRC , so he can bitch me out for "giving away his last can . " Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Oct 14 12:43:53 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:43:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Your message to SEL awaits moderator approval References: <002f01c92e28$e6fed640$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: And I thought I was the only one that this happens to.All of mine were not approved so my post to the list never showed up. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Chuck Balyeat Sent: Tue 10/14/2008 2:15 PM To: SEL Subject: Re: [SEL] Your message to SEL awaits moderator approval AHahahahahahaha . Welcome to 1984 . But you guys and gals are worth it . > Your mail to 'SEL' with the subject > > So my ol' Lady bought me a seat on a B17G > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > > The reason it is being held: > > Message body is too big: 16451 bytes with a limit of 15 KB > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Oct 14 15:05:25 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:05:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] B17 Pt2 and where is the rest References: <004501c92e29$279ac100$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <398862E3B3D84C3B8F1A3346BA85FB9C@PETER> Oh, come on Chuck, there HAS to be a part 3 where you get in running, I am on the edge of my seat here 10,000 miles away. Peter, Oz From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Oct 17 15:46:05 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:46:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] belly up! Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081018094449.020b5738@ncable.com.au> Gee it's awfully quiet you guys over the pond. Has your service provider gone belly up or somehting. Surely it ain't to cold yet for all motion to stop. Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Oct 17 16:08:02 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:08:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] early xmas present Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081018100620.022e30e8@ncable.com.au> Hey you guys heres something you don't find every day! perhaps every second day :-) checkout item NO: 300266575920 http://cgi.ebay.com.au/John-Deere-1-1-2-hp-type-E-Stationary-Engine-RARE_W0QQitemZ300266575920QQihZ020QQcategoryZ146575QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Oct 17 16:17:27 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:17:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] belly up! In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081018094449.020b5738@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081018094449.020b5738@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <2441CC6E-5E3D-4A9A-8BD4-BDC62C2237B3@rustyiron.com> On Oct 17, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Gee it's awfully quiet you guys over the pond. Has your service > provider gone belly up or somehting. Surely it ain't to cold yet for > all motion to stop. Cold? It's been in the 90's, mate! It's perfect weather for riding trails and running engines, that's why we have no time to post here. Rob From kimmell at verizon.net Sat Oct 18 17:57:57 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 19:57:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] early xmas present In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081018100620.022e30e8@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081018100620.022e30e8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <0K8W0006RTB4R9J1@vms172071.mailsrvcs.net> Man, I take it those God awful things are just as common over in Austrailia? What does $4000 AU convert to in US dollars? -Tony At 06:08 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote: >Hey you guys heres something you don't find every day! perhaps every >second day :-) checkout item NO: 300266575920 > >http://cgi.ebay.com.au/John-Deere-1-1-2-hp-type-E-Stationary-Engine-RARE_W0QQitemZ300266575920QQihZ020QQcategoryZ146575QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >Russell >Russell Gilbert >Sunny Sunraysia >russell at ncable.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Fri Oct 17 19:03:59 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:03:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] [BULK] Re: early xmas present In-Reply-To: <0K8W0006RTB4R9J1@vms172071.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000401c930c5$c941e800$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> About $2760. Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tony & Jackie Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 11:58 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [BULK] Re: [SEL] early xmas present Importance: Low Man, I take it those God awful things are just as common over in Austrailia? What does $4000 AU convert to in US dollars? -Tony At 06:08 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote: >Hey you guys heres something you don't find every day! perhaps every >second day :-) checkout item NO: 300266575920 > >http://cgi.ebay.com.au/John-Deere-1-1-2-hp-type-E-Stationary-Engine-RARE_W0 QQitemZ300266575920QQihZ020QQcategoryZ146575QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVie wItem > >Russell >Russell Gilbert >Sunny Sunraysia >russell at ncable.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1708 - Release Date: 4/10/2008 11:35 AM From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Oct 17 19:18:30 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:18:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] early xmas present In-Reply-To: <0K8W0006RTB4R9J1@vms172071.mailsrvcs.net> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081018100620.022e30e8@ncable.com.au> <0K8W0006RTB4R9J1@vms172071.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: TOO DAMN MUCH to give for something in the MAYTAG catagory! Dave On Oct 18, 2008, at 8:57 PM, Tony & Jackie wrote: > What does $4000 AU convert to in US dollars? > > -Tony > > > At 06:08 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote: >> Hey you guys heres something you don't find every day! perhaps every >> second day :-) checkout item NO: 300266575920 >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/John-Deere-1-1-2-hp-type-E-Stationary-Engine-RARE_W0QQitemZ300266575920QQihZ020QQcategoryZ146575QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >> Russell From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Oct 17 22:56:00 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:56:00 +0100 Subject: [SEL] belly up! In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081018094449.020b5738@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081018094449.020b5738@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <6f6025160810172256l49d8abcdgb5ecd2cd9d26dd5@mail.gmail.com> On 17/10/2008, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Gee it's awfully quiet you guys over the pond. Has your service > provider gone belly up or somehting. Surely it ain't to cold yet for > all motion to stop. > Russell We are enjoying excellent weather and some rather nice Plum sake, in San Francisco. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Oct 17 23:21:02 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:21:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Red Bronze question Message-ID: Hi all, I bought a fuel pump casting for my R&V vertical (thanks to friends in California) and it is cast from what our friends across the pond call 'Red Bronze". Now I guess that some of you would say that brass is brass and bronze is bronze, no. All the bronze I have here is slightly darker than normal brass, but this casting has a red tinge to it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my%20fuel%20pump.htm I had to drill three holes into the casting to create the bypass tube as no core was used when casting the pump. The original R&V pump had a core to create this bypass when casting. The 3 holes I drilled, 1/4", need to be plugged up. Does anyone have any 5/16" red brass rod about 10" long they want to sell? If I use the bronze I have here you will see the plug hole, does it matter you say, well to me it does !!! ;-) Now. if I had some aussie bronze and melted it down, could I add some copper to increase the redness??? If anyone can help please contact me here OFF LIST: plowe at exemail.com.au Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Oct 18 03:07:04 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:07:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Red Bronze question Message-ID: <101820081007.12500.48F9B5480009713D000030D4219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hey Pete I ve got the perfect solution for your matching the red bronze. Buy your self a cheap pair of rosie red sunglasses and you won't see the difference mate. Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine.org" Subject: [SEL] Red Bronze question Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:24:08 +0000 > Hi all, > > I bought a fuel pump casting for my R&V vertical (thanks to friends in > California) and it is cast from what our friends across the pond call 'Red > Bronze". > Now I guess that some of you would say that brass is brass and bronze is bronze, > no. > All the bronze I have here is slightly darker than normal brass, but this > casting has a red tinge to it. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my%20fuel%20pump.htm > I had to drill three holes into the casting to create the bypass tube as no core > was used when casting the pump. The original R&V pump had a core to create this > bypass when casting. > The 3 holes I drilled, 1/4", need to be plugged up. Does anyone have any 5/16" > red brass rod about 10" long they want to sell? > If I use the bronze I have here you will see the plug hole, does it matter you > say, well to me it does !!! ;-) > > Now. if I had some aussie bronze and melted it down, could I add some copper to > increase the redness??? > > If anyone can help please contact me here OFF LIST: > plowe at exemail.com.au > > > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sat Oct 18 15:29:00 2008 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:29:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Goold Shapley Muir Message-ID: <410-220081061822290265@earthlink.net> Who is the expert on these engines? I picked up one today and know nothing more than what is in the BYB and what is on the tag. It is a 1 1/2 hp square tank upright with ignitor. It says it was made in Brantford Canada but has a hand hole cover on it that says Ideal. It looks to be fully complete and with just a bit of oil on a few moving parts I do think it would fire up. Also would like to know what the color should be, this one is painted Red. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 10/18/2008 5:07:06 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Red Bronze question > > Hey Pete I ve got the perfect solution for your matching the red bronze. > Buy your self a cheap pair of rosie red sunglasses and you won't see the > difference mate. > Curt > > > ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine.org" > Subject: [SEL] Red Bronze question > Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:24:08 +0000 > > > Hi all, > > > > I bought a fuel pump casting for my R&V vertical (thanks to friends in > > California) and it is cast from what our friends across the pond call 'Red > > Bronze". > > Now I guess that some of you would say that brass is brass and bronze is bronze, > > no. > > All the bronze I have here is slightly darker than normal brass, but this > > casting has a red tinge to it. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my%20fuel%20pump.htm > > I had to drill three holes into the casting to create the bypass tube as no core > > was used when casting the pump. The original R&V pump had a core to create this > > bypass when casting. > > The 3 holes I drilled, 1/4", need to be plugged up. Does anyone have any 5/16" > > red brass rod about 10" long they want to sell? > > If I use the bronze I have here you will see the plug hole, does it matter you > > say, well to me it does !!! ;-) > > > > Now. if I had some aussie bronze and melted it down, could I add some copper to > > increase the redness??? > > > > If anyone can help please contact me here OFF LIST: > > plowe at exemail.com.au > > > > > > > > Regards > > Peter Lowe > > R&V Engine Registrar > > Australia > > Ph: 61-266453455 > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Oct 18 15:47:11 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:47:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Goold Shapley Muir References: <410-220081061822290265@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0F15C0A96F94405E9555D64D005CB034@PETER> Mr Skinner of Kalifornia Peter, Oz > Who is the expert on these engines? I picked up one today and know > nothing > more than what is in the BYB and what is on the tag. It is a 1 1/2 hp > square tank upright with ignitor. It says it was made in Brantford Canada > but has a hand hole cover on it that says Ideal. It looks to be fully > complete and with just a bit of oil on a few moving parts I do think it > would fire up. Also would like to know what the color should be, this one > is painted Red. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> [Original Message] >> From: >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 10/18/2008 5:07:06 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Red Bronze question >> >> Hey Pete I ve got the perfect solution for your matching the red bronze. >> Buy your self a cheap pair of rosie red sunglasses and you won't see the >> difference mate. >> Curt >> >> >> ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- >> From: "Peter Lowe" >> To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine.org" > >> Subject: [SEL] Red Bronze question >> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:24:08 +0000 >> >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I bought a fuel pump casting for my R&V vertical (thanks to friends in >> > California) and it is cast from what our friends across the pond call > 'Red >> > Bronze". >> > Now I guess that some of you would say that brass is brass and bronze > is bronze, >> > no. >> > All the bronze I have here is slightly darker than normal brass, but > this >> > casting has a red tinge to it. >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my%20fuel%20pump.htm >> > I had to drill three holes into the casting to create the bypass tube > as no core >> > was used when casting the pump. The original R&V pump had a core to > create this >> > bypass when casting. >> > The 3 holes I drilled, 1/4", need to be plugged up. Does anyone have > any 5/16" >> > red brass rod about 10" long they want to sell? >> > If I use the bronze I have here you will see the plug hole, does it > matter you >> > say, well to me it does !!! ;-) >> > >> > Now. if I had some aussie bronze and melted it down, could I add some > copper to >> > increase the redness??? >> > >> > If anyone can help please contact me here OFF LIST: >> > plowe at exemail.com.au >> > >> > >> > >> > Regards >> > Peter Lowe >> > R&V Engine Registrar >> > Australia >> > Ph: 61-266453455 >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kimmell at verizon.net Sun Oct 19 16:58:17 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:58:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] early xmas present In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081018100620.022e30e8@ncable.com.au> <0K8W0006RTB4R9J1@vms172071.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <0K8Y00G56L7PN6K0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> I didn't think the Maytags were THAT common!!! -Tony At 09:18 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote: >TOO DAMN MUCH to give for something in the MAYTAG catagory! > Dave From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Oct 18 23:11:42 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:11:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Pics Message-ID: <0BC55EDD56EA4EAABEFB23171B0E7ADE@PML> I popped out to Cambelltown Steam Museum for a quick look this morning. I have put some pics up at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/camoct08/index.htm Sorry, no captions yet :( Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Oct 19 14:01:14 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:01:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] early xmas present In-Reply-To: <0K8W0006RTB4R9J1@vms172071.mailsrvcs.net> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081018100620.022e30e8@ncable.com.au> <0K8W0006RTB4R9J1@vms172071.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081020075956.022e8ad8@ncable.com.au> Tony if someone was silly enough to pay that much I recon you could see a dozen of them rare JD,s get snapped up and sent here for more xmas presents At 11:57 AM 19/10/2008, you wrote: >Man, I take it those God awful things are just as common over in >Austrailia? What does $4000 AU convert to in US dollars? > >-Tony > > >At 06:08 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote: > >Hey you guys heres something you don't find every day! perhaps every > >second day :-) checkout item NO: 300266575920 > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com.au/John-Deere-1-1-2-hp-type-E-Stationary-Engine > -RARE_W0QQitemZ300266575920QQihZ020QQcategoryZ146575QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > >Russell > >Russell Gilbert > >Sunny Sunraysia > >russell at ncable.com.au > >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Oct 19 19:57:23 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:57:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube Message-ID: Hi All, I have uploaded several videos taken at the Cotton Ginning Days show last weekend. Most are of the drag (log) sawing that went on at the show. However, I've included a tribute to the Royster brothers for their attempts to get their engines running and thus be able to be a part of the show! All this can be seen at: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f I'm not sure the Royster brothers unsuccessful attempt is up as yet--but it should be soon. When it is, I'll upload several videos of kids using the hand water pumps and the bubbles that they made. Dave PS, Thanks to Cure for arranging all this and to Missy for the food! From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Oct 20 00:29:42 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:29:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081020182846.022f0cc0@ncable.com.au> Dave I was just trying to work out how many I could drink in between needing to re-set the saw for the next sectioon of wood cutting?? At 01:57 PM 20/10/2008, you wrote: >Hi All, > I have uploaded several videos taken at the Cotton Ginning > Days show >last weekend. Most are of the drag (log) sawing that went on at the >show. However, I've included a tribute to the Royster brothers for >their attempts to get their engines running and thus be able to be a >part of the show! All this can be seen at: >http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f > > I'm not sure the Royster brothers unsuccessful attempt is up as >yet--but it should be soon. When it is, I'll upload several videos of >kids using the hand water pumps and the bubbles that they made. > Dave >PS, Thanks to Cure for arranging all this and to Missy for the food! > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Oct 20 00:31:43 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:31:43 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081020183109.022ecb78@ncable.com.au> Also I don't recon Curt has ever cut much timber wearing those overalls! At 01:57 PM 20/10/2008, you wrote: >Hi All, > I have uploaded several videos taken at the Cotton Ginning > Days show >last weekend. Most are of the drag (log) sawing that went on at the >show. However, I've included a tribute to the Royster brothers for >their attempts to get their engines running and thus be able to be a >part of the show! All this can be seen at: >http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f > > I'm not sure the Royster brothers unsuccessful attempt is up as >yet--but it should be soon. When it is, I'll upload several videos of >kids using the hand water pumps and the bubbles that they made. > Dave >PS, Thanks to Cure for arranging all this and to Missy for the food! > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Oct 20 00:59:10 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:59:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88E0BA1B48EF4E70B2740339FD1E5311@KerryPC> Thanks Dave, looks fantastic, something we do not see down here (hurt one child) idiots that run our lot :-(( Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Oct 20 03:40:06 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:40:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube References: Message-ID: <001001c932a0$38144b20$726f4b47@mikecomp> Now I don't care who you are, that's funny! Way to go Dave in exposing what really goes on at an engine show! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; "Antique tractor email discussion group" Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube > Hi All, > I have uploaded several videos taken at the Cotton Ginning Days show > last weekend. Most are of the drag (log) sawing that went on at the > show. However, I've included a tribute to the Royster brothers for > their attempts to get their engines running and thus be able to be a > part of the show! All this can be seen at: > http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f > I'm not sure the Royster brothers unsuccessful attempt is up as > yet--but it should be soon. When it is, I'll upload several videos of > kids using the hand water pumps and the bubbles that they made. > Dave > PS, Thanks to Cure for arranging all this and to Missy for the food! > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jbcast at charter.net Mon Oct 20 05:33:47 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 8:33:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: <001001c932a0$38144b20$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <20081020083347.VAJA4.341998.root@mp16> Enjoyed the dragsaw videos Dave, the first time I aw Dickie GIbbens running his Ottowa I told him " there aint nothin on there that can't hurt you". J.B. Castagnos From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Oct 20 08:03:33 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:03:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: <20081020083347.VAJA4.341998.root@mp16> Message-ID: J.B.: I've heard drag saws referred to as "Widow Makers". What the safety police don't understand is just how much labor they save!............ .........That is, if and when you get 'em started. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > jbcast at charter.net > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 07:34 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 > VIDEOS on You Tube > > > > Enjoyed the dragsaw videos Dave, the first time I > aw Dickie GIbbens running his Ottowa I told him " > there aint nothin on there that can't hurt you". > J.B. Castagnos From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Oct 20 07:40:13 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:40:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081020182846.022f0cc0@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081020182846.022f0cc0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <1224513613.48fc984d2a026@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Russell, I keep telling these log saw guys that they're running their engines WAY too fast for that exact reason. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Russell Gilbert : > Dave I was just trying to work out how many I could drink in between > needing to re-set the saw for the next sectioon of wood cutting?? From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Oct 20 08:54:55 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:54:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081020182846.022f0cc0@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081020182846.022f0cc0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <247CE5C3-2B2C-46FD-BE40-EC7413D541BD@alltel.net> The first year I saw "Dub" using his log saw at Cotton Ginning an "older" guy came up to him after everything was pretty well shut down and asked if he could feel the blade. Upon doing so, he said to Dub, "That blade could sure use a sharpening." To which Dub replied, "Every time it goes through a log I have to move the saw. It's just now getting almost dull enough to suit me!" Dave On Oct 20, 2008, at 3:29 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Dave I was just trying to work out how many I could drink in between > needing to re-set the saw for the next sectioon of wood cutting?? > > > At 01:57 PM 20/10/2008, you wrote: >> Hi All, >> I have uploaded several videos taken at the Cotton Ginning >> Days show >> last weekend. Most are of the drag (log) sawing that went on at the >> show. However, I've included a tribute to the Royster brothers for >> their attempts to get their engines running and thus be able to be a >> part of the show! All this can be seen at: >> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f >> >> I'm not sure the Royster brothers unsuccessful attempt is up as >> yet--but it should be soon. When it is, I'll upload several videos of >> kids using the hand water pumps and the bubbles that they made. >> Dave >> PS, Thanks to Cure for arranging all this and to Missy for the food! >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Oct 20 08:56:07 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:56:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: <88E0BA1B48EF4E70B2740339FD1E5311@KerryPC> References: <88E0BA1B48EF4E70B2740339FD1E5311@KerryPC> Message-ID: <43E89287-C6FB-4B13-BA2D-F948E132D2E6@alltel.net> Hey, We had a yellow (plastic) chain up--what more could anyone want? Dave On Oct 20, 2008, at 3:59 AM, Kerry wrote: > Thanks Dave, looks fantastic, something we do not see down here > (hurt one > child) idiots that run our lot :-(( > > Kerry From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Oct 20 08:56:48 2008 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:56:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: <001001c932a0$38144b20$726f4b47@mikecomp> References: <001001c932a0$38144b20$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <48FCAA40.1080705@insulate.co.uk> Did Steve buy his engine from you, Mike, cos his isn't running either? Dolly Mike Royster wrote: > Now I don't care who you are, that's funny! Way to go Dave in exposing what > really goes on at an engine show! > > Mike Royster > >> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f >> I'm not sure the Royster brothers unsuccessful attempt is up as >> yet--but it should be soon. From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Oct 20 10:40:27 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:40:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube Message-ID: <19975697.745861224524427711.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web17-z02> No, none of Steve's engines run, that is why they are called "Stationary Engines"!!!! ---- Jim French wrote: > Did Steve buy his engine from you, Mike, cos his isn't running either? > > Dolly > > Mike Royster wrote: > > Now I don't care who you are, that's funny! Way to go Dave in exposing what > > really goes on at an engine show! > > > > Mike Royster > > > >> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f > >> I'm not sure the Royster brothers unsuccessful attempt is up as > >> yet--but it should be soon. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Oct 20 11:18:15 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:18:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: <001001c932a0$38144b20$726f4b47@mikecomp> References: <001001c932a0$38144b20$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: Actually, My engines ran flawlessly, However, my brothers were a wreck and would hardly run at all so out of brotherly love I PRETENDED to be having engine trouble also! Come to Arden this weekend and see the real truth! Steve, the good Royster > From: mr at carolina.rr.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:40:06 -0400> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube> > Now I don't care who you are, that's funny! Way to go Dave in exposing what > really goes on at an engine show!> > Mike Royster> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; > "Antique tractor email discussion group" > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:57 PM> Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube> > > > Hi All,> > I have uploaded several videos taken at the Cotton Ginning Days show> > last weekend. Most are of the drag (log) sawing that went on at the> > show. However, I've included a tribute to the Royster brothers for> > their attempts to get their engines running and thus be able to be a> > part of the show! All this can be seen at: > > http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f> > I'm not sure the Royster brothers unsuccessful attempt is up as> > yet--but it should be soon. When it is, I'll upload several videos of> > kids using the hand water pumps and the bubbles that they made.> > Dave> > PS, Thanks to Cure for arranging all this and to Missy for the food!> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298556/direct/01/ From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon Oct 20 12:55:38 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:55:38 +0100 Subject: [SEL] cotton ginning days 2008 Message-ID: <80BED63241A44BBAB25CF876BA973A33@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Dave, Just watched your you tube clips , it was nice to some familiar faces obviously enjoying themselves . I would have thought with all the millions of dollars that they have the Royster brothers would have brought engines that actually would run with out a rally field rebuild ( that is if they run at all ( ha- ha-ha)) Who knows it could have been a bad batch of lubricating oil that caused there problems or even no gas in the tanks ( it has been known to happen that way). Cheers , Craig From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Oct 20 14:06:26 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:06:26 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube Message-ID: In a message dated 10/20/2008 1:43:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mr at carolina.rr.com writes: No, none of Steve's engines run, that is why they are called "Stationary Engines"!!!! Poor Steve, He started out the year in April at Reidsville, NC with his engine not running, and finished up the year doing the same thing! Probably not a coincidence! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Oct 20 14:17:42 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:17:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: <19975697.745861224524427711.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web17-z02> References: <19975697.745861224524427711.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web17-z02> Message-ID: <1224537462.48fcf576e30f8@webmail.city-net.com> Bless his heart... Quoting mr at carolina.rr.com: > No, none of Steve's engines run, that is why they are called "Stationary > Engines"!!!! From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Oct 20 15:36:42 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:36:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 Message-ID: <67E47F4D-6FB8-4118-A4C0-8DAEC6011C0D@alltel.net> Hi All, I have up loaded some videos taken at the Cotton Ginning Days last weekend to YOU TUBE. Most are of the drag (log) sawing that went on for the duration of the show. However, I have included a SPECIAL tribute to the Royster brothers who came and tried so hard to have their engines part of what was running at the show. (That video may not be posted as yet, but it will be up soon.) See: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f for what is there thus far. I'm sure that this is the ONLY engine show that has ever had six (6) drag saws operating at the same time! Once I'm sure the Royster brothers efforts have been posted on YOU TUBE, I'll put up some videos of the water pumping at CGD. Dave PS, The water pumping videos have now been uploaded and should be viewable at: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f as well From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Oct 20 16:09:25 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:09:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Now Tom, Let's not go there! Whose big old IHC engine has to be worked on every year at Reidsville????? and fyi the McVickers now runs perfectly. Yer Pal , Steve > From: Germoamer at aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:06:26 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube> > > In a message dated 10/20/2008 1:43:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mr at carolina.rr.com writes:> > No, none of Steve's engines run, that is why they are called "Stationary > Engines"!!!!> > > > > Poor Steve,> > He started out the year in April at Reidsville, NC with his engine not > running, and finished up the year doing the same thing! Probably not a > coincidence! > > Tom Schmutz> Concord, Va.> germoamer at AOL.com> > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive. http://skydrive.live.com/welcome.aspx?provision=1?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_102008 From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue Oct 21 10:56:05 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:56:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] gas engine magazine Message-ID: <55239CF6006B47F5AA550932C78D8AF9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi All, I was wondering if anyone has got there magazine , if so ours must be on its way across the pond . Craig From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Tue Oct 21 11:34:56 2008 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:34:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] gas engine magazine In-Reply-To: <55239CF6006B47F5AA550932C78D8AF9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <55239CF6006B47F5AA550932C78D8AF9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: I got mine back in Sept Tom Winland Ohio> From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:56:05 +0100> Subject: [SEL] gas engine magazine> > Hi All,> > I was wondering if anyone has got there magazine , if so ours must be on its way across the pond .> > Craig> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue Oct 21 15:17:19 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:17:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] gas engine magazine References: <55239CF6006B47F5AA550932C78D8AF9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <18FA96E9479E42BF910654C64A1EFDD7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Should have said it is the October / November edition I'm meaning . Thanks, Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:56 PM Subject: [SEL] gas engine magazine > Hi All, > > I was wondering if anyone has got there magazine , if so ours must > be on its way across the pond . > > Craig > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Oct 21 15:53:58 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:53:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] gas engine magazine In-Reply-To: <18FA96E9479E42BF910654C64A1EFDD7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <55239CF6006B47F5AA550932C78D8AF9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <18FA96E9479E42BF910654C64A1EFDD7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <48CFB685-8087-498A-8B6E-7F2204D0C1B1@alltel.net> Hi Craig, Mine arrived about 1 1/2 weeks ago. Dave On Oct 21, 2008, at 6:17 PM, craig morrison wrote: > Should have said it is the October / November edition I'm meaning . > Thanks, Craig > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "craig morrison" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:56 PM > Subject: [SEL] gas engine magazine > > >> Hi All, >> >> I was wondering if anyone has got there magazine , if so ours >> must >> be on its way across the pond . >> >> Craig >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 21 20:43:27 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:43:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 In-Reply-To: <67E47F4D-6FB8-4118-A4C0-8DAEC6011C0D@alltel.net> References: <67E47F4D-6FB8-4118-A4C0-8DAEC6011C0D@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1224647007.48fea15f13f53@webmail.city-net.com> ROFLMAO!! Bless their hearts. And a Five Star Rating too. So, Steve, which STATIONARY engine was that you had on display at Cotton Ginning Days? See ya, Arnie Quoting David Rotigel : > However, I have included a SPECIAL > tribute to the Royster brothers who came and tried so hard to have > their engines part of what was running at the show. > See: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Oct 22 04:43:44 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:43:44 EDT Subject: [SEL] Auction Message-ID: Speaking of the October issue of GEM, anybody going to the Rentzel auction the 25th that is listed on the back? Going to be some nice engines and other stuff sold there. Be nice to know what they bring. www.rentzelsauctionservice.com Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Oct 22 06:13:15 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:13:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Auction References: Message-ID: <43BF4776BF8446A3B90295070AA272D8@PETER> Look like he was not a serious collector, no R&V's in his collection (Smile) Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > Speaking of the October issue of GEM, anybody going to the Rentzel > auction > the 25th that is listed on the back? Going to be some nice engines and > other > stuff sold there. Be nice to know what they bring. > > www.rentzelsauctionservice.com > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 22 09:55:52 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:55:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] B17G and the diabli- diabolll dia-- Message-ID: <003501c93467$0ca203b0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Just got a call , that B17G was flooded and a Stearman just showed up, also for hire . From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed Oct 22 12:49:02 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:49:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 In-Reply-To: <1224647007.48fea15f13f53@webmail.city-net.com> References: <67E47F4D-6FB8-4118-A4C0-8DAEC6011C0D@alltel.net> <1224647007.48fea15f13f53@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Arnie, as I said before .... MY engines ran flawlessly. I was only pretending to tighten the wrist pin on the Woodpecker so Mike wouldn't feel bad about his engines NOT running! Steve , the kind and caring brother! > Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:43:27 -0400> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008> > ROFLMAO!! Bless their hearts. And a Five Star Rating too.> > So, Steve, which STATIONARY engine was that you had on display at Cotton Ginning> Days?> > See ya, Arnie> > Quoting David Rotigel :> > > However, I have included a SPECIAL > > tribute to the Royster brothers who came and tried so hard to have > > their engines part of what was running at the show. > > See:> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Oct 22 18:46:45 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:46:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous fuel pump for sale? Message-ID: <01685950C47647749B5C5B4051DE389E@PETER> Hi All I bought a fuel pump for an IHC Famous vertical for a mate of mine for a favour he did me. I ordered the wrong one, so if anyone needs a fuel pump they can have it for what it cost me. Have a look here http://members.aol.com/agee1/Misc_Parts.html, it is part G-1548 on Don's List, made of cast iron. Email here if interested and we can deal plowe at exemail.com.au It would suit an Aussie buyer as postage if expensive, I know, I bought this from Don in the USA. I will sell at cost of pump minus the postage. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Oct 22 21:30:27 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:30:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo mystery engine Message-ID: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> First , Thanks for the information on digital cameras. I bought a Sony DSC H50 and very happy with it. I have the opportunity to buy what I think is an Novo.I have two pictures that I can send to any interested partyies. It has 14" FW's, no #'s or plate. The carb is unique and has an open crankcase without any inspection plates.T here is No fuel pump and never had one. And a brass rod There is a # E3 on the FW. Thanks for any feedback, Jimmy in Novato, Ca. USA 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Oct 23 07:36:30 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:36:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Novo mystery engine In-Reply-To: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081023103436.02fff3c0@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Lim, Send me some pics of that engine. Lets see what I can recognize. Thanks, Mark At 12:30 AM 10/23/08, you wrote: >I have the opportunity to buy what I think is an >Novo.I have two pictures that I can send to any interested partyies. It has >14" FW's, no #'s or plate. The carb is unique and has an open crankcase >without any inspection plates.T here is No fuel pump and never had one. And >a brass rod There is a # E3 on the FW. Thanks for any feedback, Jimmy in >Novato, Ca. USA 415 892 0236 >Jim O'Hagan Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Oct 23 10:41:04 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:41:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Novo mystery engine In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20081023103436.02fff3c0@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20081023103436.02fff3c0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081023133714.034e8610@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Jim, Looks Hilgreth to me, look in that direction for more Info. Hildreth is the predassor to Novo. This could be in the 1908-09? area. Mark At 10:36 AM 10/23/08, you wrote: >Hi Jim, Send me some pics of that engine. Lets see what I can >recognize. Thanks, Mark > > >At 12:30 AM 10/23/08, you wrote: > >I have the opportunity to buy what I think is an > >Novo.I have two pictures that I can send to any interested partyies. It has > >14" FW's, no #'s or plate. The carb is unique and has an open crankcase > >without any inspection plates.T here is No fuel pump and never had one. And > >a brass rod There is a # E3 on the FW. Thanks for any feedback, Jimmy in > >Novato, Ca. USA 415 892 0236 > >Jim O'Hagan Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Oct 23 14:31:20 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:31:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates Message-ID: <313896D1BE9F4381A50E3A99B070553D@PETER> Hi all There are two fuel pump types for the 2 & 3hp vertical IHC Famous engines. The early pump is cast iron, the later is brass. Can anyone tell me when they changed from the iron pump to the brass one?? Does anyone have good photos of the engine with the brass pump in place? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 23 15:19:09 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:19:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates References: <313896D1BE9F4381A50E3A99B070553D@PETER> Message-ID: <1DF9E3A558C048428DB121C89DAA4155@Edd> Hi Peter.May be wrong as I didn't look this up(just to tired today).All the vertical Famous engines had the same pump.The cast pump that you got that was wrong is for a Mogul side shaft. I have had several vertical Famous inc an early one with the different water pump and drive acentric and all had the same brass fuel pump. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:31 AM Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates > Hi all > > There are two fuel pump types for the 2 & 3hp vertical IHC Famous engines. > The early pump is cast iron, the later is brass. Can anyone tell me when > they changed from the iron pump to the brass one?? > > Does anyone have good photos of the engine with the brass pump in place? > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Oct 23 15:38:32 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:38:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates In-Reply-To: <1DF9E3A558C048428DB121C89DAA4155@Edd> References: <313896D1BE9F4381A50E3A99B070553D@PETER> <1DF9E3A558C048428DB121C89DAA4155@Edd> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081023183404.03002360@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Edd, The fuel pumps may bolt in the same but my Brass name plate 3 hp engine has a cast Iron fuel pump. And I have seen that several other times on the earlier Verticles. The early engines didn't use a water pump either. Mark At 06:19 PM 10/23/08, you wrote: >Hi Peter.May be wrong as I didn't look this up(just to tired today).All the >vertical Famous engines had the same pump.The cast pump that you got that >was wrong is for a Mogul side shaft. I have had several vertical Famous inc >an early one with the different water pump and drive acentric and all had >the same brass fuel pump. >EDD PAYNE >PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >Australia >2852 >Phone:0263742387 >edsengns at optusnet.com.au >edsengns >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Lowe" >To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" > >Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:31 AM >Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates > > > > Hi all > > > > There are two fuel pump types for the 2 & 3hp vertical IHC Famous engines. > > The early pump is cast iron, the later is brass. Can anyone tell me when > > they changed from the iron pump to the brass one?? > > > > Does anyone have good photos of the engine with the brass pump in place? > > > > Regards > > Peter Lowe > > R&V Engine Registrar > > Australia > > Ph: 61-266453455 > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From jbcast at charter.net Thu Oct 23 16:39:55 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:39:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cary, Illinois-engine shipping Message-ID: <20081023193955.1ATNF.380265.root@mp19> A friend bought a small marine engine in Cary Illinois, listed as pickup only. If necessary is their anyone on the list near Cary, Illinois that could pick this engine up, strap it to a pallet and drop it at a freight dock, he's willing to pay for you time. J.B. Castagnos From jdohagan at comcast.net Thu Oct 23 17:03:56 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:03:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20081023183404.03002360@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20081024000358.E453D405CC6@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> I think all the original G1548 fuel pumps were cast iron. There has been tons of brass repros made since. Both of my unmolested 2&3 horse uprights have CI pumps. Take care Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:39 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates Hi Edd, The fuel pumps may bolt in the same but my Brass name plate 3 hp engine has a cast Iron fuel pump. And I have seen that several other times on the earlier Verticles. The early engines didn't use a water pump either. Mark At 06:19 PM 10/23/08, you wrote: >Hi Peter.May be wrong as I didn't look this up(just to tired today).All the >vertical Famous engines had the same pump.The cast pump that you got that >was wrong is for a Mogul side shaft. I have had several vertical Famous inc >an early one with the different water pump and drive acentric and all had >the same brass fuel pump. >EDD PAYNE >PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >Australia >2852 >Phone:0263742387 >edsengns at optusnet.com.au >edsengns >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Lowe" >To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" > >Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:31 AM >Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates > > > > Hi all > > > > There are two fuel pump types for the 2 & 3hp vertical IHC Famous engines. > > The early pump is cast iron, the later is brass. Can anyone tell me when > > they changed from the iron pump to the brass one?? > > > > Does anyone have good photos of the engine with the brass pump in place? > > > > Regards > > Peter Lowe > > R&V Engine Registrar > > Australia > > Ph: 61-266453455 > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu Oct 23 17:14:32 2008 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Cary, Illinois-engine shipping In-Reply-To: <20081023193955.1ATNF.380265.root@mp19> Message-ID: <778648.88515.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> JB I plan on being up in Island Lake on Sunday. It is ~ 10 miles from Cary. Drop me an email stevebarr at ameritech.net My place of work (Itasca,IL) has a loading Dock. Yellow Freight comes in daily if that helps. Steve --- On Thu, 10/23/08, jbcast at charter.net wrote: > From: jbcast at charter.net > Subject: [SEL] Cary, Illinois-engine shipping > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 6:39 PM > A friend bought a small marine engine in Cary Illinois, > listed as pickup only. If necessary is their anyone on the > list near Cary, Illinois that could pick this engine up, > strap it to a pallet and drop it at a freight dock, he's > willing to pay for you time. > J.B. Castagnos > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 23 17:14:45 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:14:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates References: <313896D1BE9F4381A50E3A99B070553D@PETER><1DF9E3A558C048428DB121C89DAA4155@Edd> <6.2.1.2.1.20081023183404.03002360@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <3AFE00783841401280C28866F836C17E@Edd> Hi Mark.Should have mentioned the earlier engines.That is correct re no pump but between the standard pump we all know and no pump there was a smaller pump with a two piece acentric.Not seen the cast iron fuel pumps here but that doesn't mean they didn.t do it.I make the brass ones and have supplied 5 so far but don't want the hassle of doing any more. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates > Hi Edd, The fuel pumps may bolt in the same but my Brass name plate 3 hp > engine has a cast Iron fuel pump. And I have seen that several other times > on the earlier Verticles. The early engines didn't use a water pump > either. Mark > > > At 06:19 PM 10/23/08, you wrote: >>Hi Peter.May be wrong as I didn't look this up(just to tired today).All >>the >>vertical Famous engines had the same pump.The cast pump that you got that >>was wrong is for a Mogul side shaft. I have had several vertical Famous >>inc >>an early one with the different water pump and drive acentric and all had >>the same brass fuel pump. >>EDD PAYNE >>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>Australia >>2852 >>Phone:0263742387 >>edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>edsengns >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Peter Lowe" >>To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" >> >>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:31 AM >>Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates >> >> >> > Hi all >> > >> > There are two fuel pump types for the 2 & 3hp vertical IHC Famous >> > engines. >> > The early pump is cast iron, the later is brass. Can anyone tell me >> > when >> > they changed from the iron pump to the brass one?? >> > >> > Does anyone have good photos of the engine with the brass pump in >> > place? >> > >> > Regards >> > Peter Lowe >> > R&V Engine Registrar >> > Australia >> > Ph: 61-266453455 >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 23 17:36:46 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:36:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates References: <20081024000358.E453D405CC6@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <31099982978B4BD19CF3D8248370FCFE@Edd> Hi Jim.If that is the case every vertical Famous in OZ has a repo fuel pump.Don't think so.Over the years I have had 4 x 3 HP and 1x2 HP and all had brass pumps.I have also worked on many of these engines for other collectors and the same applies.Have also repaired many pumps same again.Must admit that we don't see many of the real early engines here. Just got of my fat arse and got my parts book out.Here is what I found.G1548 is listed for engines 05 to 09. G7091 is listed for engines 10 to 17 and this is the brass one.In Dons list he appears to have the part # wrong for these ,he has G7901 not G7091.(probably a typo) Part # G7901 does not exist in my books. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates >I think all the original G1548 fuel pumps were cast iron. There has been > tons of brass repros made since. Both of my unmolested 2&3 horse uprights > have CI pumps. Take care Jimmy > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:39 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates > > Hi Edd, The fuel pumps may bolt in the same but my Brass name plate 3 hp > engine has a cast Iron fuel pump. And I have seen that several other times > on the earlier Verticles. The early engines didn't use a water pump > either. Mark > > > At 06:19 PM 10/23/08, you wrote: >>Hi Peter.May be wrong as I didn't look this up(just to tired today).All >>the >>vertical Famous engines had the same pump.The cast pump that you got that >>was wrong is for a Mogul side shaft. I have had several vertical Famous >>inc >>an early one with the different water pump and drive acentric and all had >>the same brass fuel pump. >>EDD PAYNE >>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>Australia >>2852 >>Phone:0263742387 >>edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>edsengns >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Peter Lowe" >>To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" >> >>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:31 AM >>Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates >> >> >> > Hi all >> > >> > There are two fuel pump types for the 2 & 3hp vertical IHC Famous > engines. >> > The early pump is cast iron, the later is brass. Can anyone tell me >> > when >> > they changed from the iron pump to the brass one?? >> > >> > Does anyone have good photos of the engine with the brass pump in >> > place? >> > >> > Regards >> > Peter Lowe >> > R&V Engine Registrar >> > Australia >> > Ph: 61-266453455 >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jdohagan at comcast.net Thu Oct 23 18:40:59 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:40:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates In-Reply-To: <31099982978B4BD19CF3D8248370FCFE@Edd> Message-ID: <20081024014106.A4BFB302895@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Edd, The part# G7901 is a friction Pully34x10 1/2" for $39.35 Cya Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:37 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates Hi Jim.If that is the case every vertical Famous in OZ has a repo fuel pump.Don't think so.Over the years I have had 4 x 3 HP and 1x2 HP and all had brass pumps.I have also worked on many of these engines for other collectors and the same applies.Have also repaired many pumps same again.Must admit that we don't see many of the real early engines here. Just got of my fat arse and got my parts book out.Here is what I found.G1548 is listed for engines 05 to 09. G7091 is listed for engines 10 to 17 and this is the brass one.In Dons list he appears to have the part # wrong for these ,he has G7901 not G7091.(probably a typo) Part # G7901 does not exist in my books. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates >I think all the original G1548 fuel pumps were cast iron. There has been > tons of brass repros made since. Both of my unmolested 2&3 horse uprights > have CI pumps. Take care Jimmy > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:39 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates > > Hi Edd, The fuel pumps may bolt in the same but my Brass name plate 3 hp > engine has a cast Iron fuel pump. And I have seen that several other times > on the earlier Verticles. The early engines didn't use a water pump > either. Mark > > > At 06:19 PM 10/23/08, you wrote: >>Hi Peter.May be wrong as I didn't look this up(just to tired today).All >>the >>vertical Famous engines had the same pump.The cast pump that you got that >>was wrong is for a Mogul side shaft. I have had several vertical Famous >>inc >>an early one with the different water pump and drive acentric and all had >>the same brass fuel pump. >>EDD PAYNE >>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>Australia >>2852 >>Phone:0263742387 >>edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>edsengns >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Peter Lowe" >>To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" >> >>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:31 AM >>Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates >> >> >> > Hi all >> > >> > There are two fuel pump types for the 2 & 3hp vertical IHC Famous > engines. >> > The early pump is cast iron, the later is brass. Can anyone tell me >> > when >> > they changed from the iron pump to the brass one?? >> > >> > Does anyone have good photos of the engine with the brass pump in >> > place? >> > >> > Regards >> > Peter Lowe >> > R&V Engine Registrar >> > Australia >> > Ph: 61-266453455 >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Oct 23 19:58:23 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:58:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates References: <20081024000358.E453D405CC6@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <31099982978B4BD19CF3D8248370FCFE@Edd> Message-ID: Hi Ed Thanks for getting off your butt mate (smile) this answers it all. Yes Don does have a typo and I have let him know. So for my mates 1915 vertical famous he needs pump G7091 in brass. Therefore I have an early pump for sale that is made of cast iron and is parts number G1548 if anyone wants one. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > Hi Jim.If that is the case every vertical Famous in OZ has a repo fuel > pump.Don't think so.Over the years I have had 4 x 3 HP and 1x2 HP and all > had brass pumps.I have also worked on many of these engines for other > collectors and the same applies.Have also repaired many pumps same > again.Must admit that we don't see many of the real early engines here. > Just > got of my fat arse and got my parts book out.Here is what I found.G1548 is > listed for engines 05 to 09. G7091 is listed for engines 10 to 17 and this > is the brass one.In Dons list he appears to have the part # wrong for > these > ,he has G7901 not G7091.(probably a typo) Part # G7901 does not exist in > my > books. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim O'Hagan" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:03 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates > > >>I think all the original G1548 fuel pumps were cast iron. There has been >> tons of brass repros made since. Both of my unmolested 2&3 horse uprights >> have CI pumps. Take care Jimmy >> >> Jim O'Hagan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw >> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:39 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates >> >> Hi Edd, The fuel pumps may bolt in the same but my Brass name plate 3 hp >> engine has a cast Iron fuel pump. And I have seen that several other >> times >> on the earlier Verticles. The early engines didn't use a water pump >> either. Mark >> >> >> At 06:19 PM 10/23/08, you wrote: >>>Hi Peter.May be wrong as I didn't look this up(just to tired today).All >>>the >>>vertical Famous engines had the same pump.The cast pump that you got that >>>was wrong is for a Mogul side shaft. I have had several vertical Famous >>>inc >>>an early one with the different water pump and drive acentric and all had >>>the same brass fuel pump. >>>EDD PAYNE >>>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>>Australia >>>2852 >>>Phone:0263742387 >>>edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>>edsengns >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Peter Lowe" >>>To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" >>> >>>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:31 AM >>>Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates >>> >>> >>> > Hi all >>> > >>> > There are two fuel pump types for the 2 & 3hp vertical IHC Famous >> engines. >>> > The early pump is cast iron, the later is brass. Can anyone tell me >>> > when >>> > they changed from the iron pump to the brass one?? >>> > >>> > Does anyone have good photos of the engine with the brass pump in >>> > place? >>> > >>> > Regards >>> > Peter Lowe >>> > R&V Engine Registrar >>> > Australia >>> > Ph: 61-266453455 >>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SEL mailing list >>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> > >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> Mark & Christine Shulaw >> 454 Co. Rd. 33 >> Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >> >> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. >> Parts lists available on request. >> >> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 >> No Sunday calls if possible. >> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I >> represent >> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and >> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Oct 23 20:01:11 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:01:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates References: <20081024014106.A4BFB302895@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <48A66A60D4774EDB8286968A452F87F9@PETER> Yes Jimmy, it is a typo on Don's web site, he knows about it mate, I told him. Peter, Oz Edd, The part# G7901 is a friction Pully34x10 1/2" for $39.35 Cya Jimmy > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:37 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates > > Hi Jim.If that is the case every vertical Famous in OZ has a repo fuel > pump.Don't think so.Over the years I have had 4 x 3 HP and 1x2 HP and all > had brass pumps.I have also worked on many of these engines for other > collectors and the same applies.Have also repaired many pumps same > again.Must admit that we don't see many of the real early engines here. > Just > > got of my fat arse and got my parts book out.Here is what I found.G1548 is > listed for engines 05 to 09. G7091 is listed for engines 10 to 17 and this > is the brass one.In Dons list he appears to have the part # wrong for > these > ,he has G7901 not G7091.(probably a typo) Part # G7901 does not exist in > my > books. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim O'Hagan" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:03 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates > > >>I think all the original G1548 fuel pumps were cast iron. There has been >> tons of brass repros made since. Both of my unmolested 2&3 horse uprights >> have CI pumps. Take care Jimmy >> >> Jim O'Hagan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw >> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:39 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates >> >> Hi Edd, The fuel pumps may bolt in the same but my Brass name plate 3 hp >> engine has a cast Iron fuel pump. And I have seen that several other >> times >> on the earlier Verticles. The early engines didn't use a water pump >> either. Mark >> >> >> At 06:19 PM 10/23/08, you wrote: >>>Hi Peter.May be wrong as I didn't look this up(just to tired today).All >>>the >>>vertical Famous engines had the same pump.The cast pump that you got that >>>was wrong is for a Mogul side shaft. I have had several vertical Famous >>>inc >>>an early one with the different water pump and drive acentric and all had >>>the same brass fuel pump. >>>EDD PAYNE >>>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>>Australia >>>2852 >>>Phone:0263742387 >>>edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>>edsengns >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Peter Lowe" >>>To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" >>> >>>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:31 AM >>>Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates >>> >>> >>> > Hi all >>> > >>> > There are two fuel pump types for the 2 & 3hp vertical IHC Famous >> engines. >>> > The early pump is cast iron, the later is brass. Can anyone tell me >>> > when >>> > they changed from the iron pump to the brass one?? >>> > >>> > Does anyone have good photos of the engine with the brass pump in >>> > place? >>> > >>> > Regards >>> > Peter Lowe >>> > R&V Engine Registrar >>> > Australia >>> > Ph: 61-266453455 >>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SEL mailing list >>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> > >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> Mark & Christine Shulaw >> 454 Co. Rd. 33 >> Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >> >> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. >> Parts lists available on request. >> >> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 >> No Sunday calls if possible. >> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I >> represent >> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and >> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kimmell at verizon.net Thu Oct 23 21:30:51 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:30:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cary, Illinois-engine shipping In-Reply-To: <778648.88515.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20081023193955.1ATNF.380265.root@mp19> <778648.88515.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0K9800HIX762K8Q0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Hey Steve, Just curious... where is it in Itasca that you work? My peddle route is mostly over in Franklin Park / O'Hare / Elmhurst area but they've been sending me through Itasca and Downers grove alot lately. I may have picked up freight at your place before and not known it. -Tony At 07:14 PM 10/23/2008, you wrote: >My place of work (Itasca,IL) has a loading Dock. Yellow Freight >comes in daily if that helps. > >Steve From kimmell at verizon.net Thu Oct 23 21:42:03 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:42:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cary, Illinois-engine shipping In-Reply-To: <0K9800HIX762K8Q0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <20081023193955.1ATNF.380265.root@mp19> <778648.88515.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0K9800HIX762K8Q0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <0K9800HX47OQIH41@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Oops... disreguard that last post... meant that to be off-list At 11:30 PM 10/23/2008, you wrote: >Hey Steve, >Just curious... where is it in Itasca that you work? My peddle route >is mostly over in Franklin Park / O'Hare / Elmhurst area but they've >been sending me through Itasca and Downers grove alot lately. I may >have picked up freight at your place before and not known it. > >-Tony From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 24 05:23:24 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:23:24 +0100 Subject: [SEL] DST/Summer Time Dates Message-ID: <006501c935d3$50fefeb0$12b40556@intrepid> I just thought I would post this to help those of us that talk Engines on chat programs (Skype Etc) between countries to pick good times. I did look into including Australia but I don't know the areas covered. Can someone provide that please? Europe / UK clocks switch to Winter Time / standard time: Sunday 26 October 2008 Daylight Saving Time dates in USA & Canada ends: Sunday 2 November 2008 Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 24 15:28:23 2008 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:28:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Cary, Illinois-engine shipping In-Reply-To: <20081023193955.1ATNF.380265.root@mp19> References: <20081023193955.1ATNF.380265.root@mp19> Message-ID: I will be down in that area working for a couple weeks starting Nov 10. I will help if I canEd Herreid> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:39:55 -0700> From: jbcast at charter.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: [SEL] Cary, Illinois-engine shipping> > A friend bought a small marine engine in Cary Illinois, listed as pickup only. If necessary is their anyone on the list near Cary, Illinois that could pick this engine up, strap it to a pallet and drop it at a freight dock, he's willing to pay for you time.> J.B. Castagnos> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ When your life is on the go?take your life with you. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298558/direct/01/ From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Fri Oct 24 16:48:02 2008 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:48:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] DST/Summer Time Dates In-Reply-To: <006501c935d3$50fefeb0$12b40556@intrepid> References: <006501c935d3$50fefeb0$12b40556@intrepid> Message-ID: <000901c93632$f7a992c0$e6fcb840$@net.au> Dave Queensland and Northern territory do not have daylight saving. All other states put their clocks ahead 1 hour, Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Friday, 24 October 2008 10:23 To: atis Cc: Oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] DST/Summer Time Dates I just thought I would post this to help those of us that talk Engines on chat programs (Skype Etc) between countries to pick good times. I did look into including Australia but I don't know the areas covered. Can someone provide that please? Europe / UK clocks switch to Winter Time / standard time: Sunday 26 October 2008 Daylight Saving Time dates in USA & Canada ends: Sunday 2 November 2008 Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Fri Oct 24 17:37:48 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:37:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cary, Illinois-engine shipping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081024203749.7GTPE.430240.root@mp12> Keith Kinney, Steve Barr, and Ed Herreid. Thanks for the replies. Steve, we're trying to get things worked out for this weekend but communication has been slow, hoping to get a phone number so we can call him. Ed, if things don't work out with Steve, we'll be in touch. It's great to see the help available on this list. J.B. Castagnos From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Oct 26 02:40:11 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:40:11 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Palmer Marine engine help needed Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081026113920.00c25198@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Who are the small marine engine specialists on the list? I have a friend (not a list member) who recently acquired a small "Palmer"marine engine and he would like to correspond with others (and probably ask a lot of questions), who have or know about these engines. Unfortunately I know very little (actually nothing) about the engine he has. If anyone is prepared to correspond with him please let me know. Thank you. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Oct 26 03:13:00 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:13:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Palmer Marine engine help needed In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081026113920.00c25198@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081026113920.00c25198@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6f6025160810260313u415b8f3dr87c04b5b2ac020e9@mail.gmail.com> On 26/10/2008, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Guys, > Who are the small marine engine specialists on the list? Jerry: J B Castagnos is the guy we usually recommend: jbcast at charter.net Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Oct 26 03:14:04 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:14:04 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Palmer Marine engine help needed References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081026113920.00c25198@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <5C0AC2303B074F51B398FA7C26E2E6C8@your9e74d7efa7> Jerry ,try http://www.oldmarineengine.com/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:40 PM Subject: [SEL] Palmer Marine engine help needed > Hi Guys, > Who are the small marine engine specialists on the list? > > I have a friend (not a list member) who recently acquired a small > "Palmer"marine engine and he would like to correspond with others (and > probably ask a lot of questions), who have or know about these engines. > > Unfortunately I know very little (actually nothing) about the > engine he has. > > If anyone is prepared to correspond with him please let me know. > Thank you. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jbcast at charter.net Sun Oct 26 09:35:36 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 9:35:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Palmer Marine engine help needed In-Reply-To: <5C0AC2303B074F51B398FA7C26E2E6C8@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <20081026123536.KES6J.611416.root@mp16> Jerry, I'll be glad to offer any help I can, I'm familiar with some of the models, I have two of them. The OLDMARINEENGINE site is good, Dick Day is a contributor there. He's in his 80's and has been running Palmers since his teens, has a lot of factory info, and has the first engine Palmer ever made. J.B. Castagnos From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Oct 26 11:06:36 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:06:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Reilang oil cans on eBay Message-ID: <1225044396.4904b1ac8fac2@webmail.city-net.com> If you've ever lusted after one of these awesome oil cans, here's your chance to own one. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=330166059267 See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 18:14:33 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:14:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, This sure is a different list than what it was when I joined up. No I don't actually WANT 100 messages a day but I would like to see a little more activity. Now who has been playing with their engines? From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Sun Oct 26 18:39:35 2008 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:39:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01c937d4$de8c9780$0201010a@JBCooper> Hi Alan, Good to see someone else appreciates messages relating to engine activities rather than some of the garbage that has been coming across recently. Wake up guys don't spoil a good site. John, Bega. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > > Hi Folks, > This sure is a different list than what it was when I joined up. > No I don't actually WANT 100 messages a day but I would like to see a > little more activity. > Now who has been playing with their engines? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM From milo at hughes.net Sun Oct 26 18:45:16 2008 From: milo at hughes.net (milo at hughes.net) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:45:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <451E08F514574A11AAE6A68895E657A4@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan >Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 9:15 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > >Hi Folks, >This sure is a different list than what it was when I joined up. >No I don't actually WANT 100 messages a day but I would like to see a >little more activity. >Now who has been playing with their engines? I ran my Gilson a couple weeks ago. Does that count? Peace Milo No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1744 - Release Date: 10/24/2008 6:08 PM From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Oct 26 18:51:09 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:51:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Old Hoffmann bearing Message-ID: <000501c937d6$7bded560$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hi all I am restoring an old water pump and require a bearing which is a Hoffmann MS9ACD or equivalent. It is approximately two and a quarter inches OD and 29/32 ID. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks Ron Canberra From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Oct 26 22:15:52 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:15:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Alan, The banter and camaderie still exists; it just takes place off-list among like-minded individuals and over on Slick Willy. What you see is the result of a focus on just engines. It totally misses what made this group what it was. Have you ever been to an engine show gathering where the ONLY thing talked about was engines? If you did, you would have noticed more silence than talking. So it is with lists. As the old wheeze goes; be careful what you wish for, you might get it. See ya, Arnie Quoting Alan : > This sure is a different list than what it was when I joined up. > No I don't actually WANT 100 messages a day but I would like to see a little > more activity. > Now who has been playing with their engines? From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Oct 26 23:22:22 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 02:22:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Hi Arnie, Did you,know that Tommy Turner (Yes, THE JUDGE) is IN THE TANK for Obama? Dave PS, It's sad to loose a good friend like that to Communism! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:15 AM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Hi Alan, > > The banter and camaderie still exists; it just takes place off-list > among > like-minded individuals and over on Slick Willy. What you see is > the result of > a focus on just engines. It totally misses what made this group > what it was. > > Have you ever been to an engine show gathering where the ONLY thing > talked about > was engines? If you did, you would have noticed more silence than > talking. So > it is with lists. > > As the old wheeze goes; be careful what you wish for, you might get > it. > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Alan : > >> This sure is a different list than what it was when I joined up. >> No I don't actually WANT 100 messages a day but I would like to see >> a little >> more activity. >> Now who has been playing with their engines? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wboldrusty70 at gmail.com Sun Oct 26 23:36:50 2008 From: wboldrusty70 at gmail.com (William Burg) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:36:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Old Hoffmann bearing In-Reply-To: <000501c937d6$7bded560$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <000501c937d6$7bded560$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <175167230810262336r6d23aa53w3493dda21c4e229c@mail.gmail.com> Hi Ron, you could try an SKFAMS7. Bill On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Ron Page wrote: > Hi all > > > > I am restoring an old water pump and require a bearing which is a Hoffmann > MS9ACD or equivalent. It is approximately two and a quarter inches OD and > 29/32 ID. Any information would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > > > Ron > > Canberra > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Oct 27 00:20:07 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:20:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Old Hoffmann bearing In-Reply-To: <175167230810262336r6d23aa53w3493dda21c4e229c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001a01c93804$70ec78a0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Thanks for the info Bill. Ron -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of William Burg Sent: Monday, 27 October 2008 5:37 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Hoffmann bearing Hi Ron, you could try an SKFAMS7. Bill On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Ron Page wrote: > Hi all > > > > I am restoring an old water pump and require a bearing which is a Hoffmann > MS9ACD or equivalent. It is approximately two and a quarter inches OD and > 29/32 ID. Any information would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > > > Ron > > Canberra > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1708 - Release Date: 4/10/2008 11:35 AM From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Oct 27 03:45:44 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 06:45:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Dave, Are you talking about cousin Barry? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > Hi Arnie, Did you,know that Tommy Turner (Yes, THE JUDGE) is IN THE > TANK for Obama? > Dave > PS, It's sad to loose a good friend like that to Communism! > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:15 AM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > >> Hi Alan, >> >> The banter and camaderie still exists; it just takes place off-list >> among >> like-minded individuals and over on Slick Willy. What you see is >> the result of >> a focus on just engines. It totally misses what made this group >> what it was. >> >> Have you ever been to an engine show gathering where the ONLY thing >> talked about >> was engines? If you did, you would have noticed more silence than >> talking. So >> it is with lists. >> >> As the old wheeze goes; be careful what you wish for, you might get >> it. >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> Quoting Alan : >> >>> This sure is a different list than what it was when I joined up. >>> No I don't actually WANT 100 messages a day but I would like to see >>> a little >>> more activity. >>> Now who has been playing with their engines? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1747 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 9:27 AM From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Oct 27 05:06:03 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:06:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Old Hoffmann bearing References: <000501c937d6$7bded560$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <315CC7F7FFBA483A86069D90A7247F2D@PETER> Hi Ron As Bill said, you need an SKF - AMS-7 , this is an angular contact bearing - inch, or RHP - MJT 7/8 I.D = 0.8750" (7/8"), metric dimensions = 22.225mm O.D = 2.25", (2 1/4"), metric dimensions = 57.150mm Thickness = 0.6875" (11/16"), metric dimensions = 17.46mm Weight = 0.540 lbs, There is no even metric equivalent for these. I have an SKF equivalents book here that converts these bearing companies to SKF: Echuca Fafnir FBC - FAG Hyatt MRC ND R&M Timken Torrington Your 29/32" is out for the ID. Regards Peter, NSW, Oz > Hi all > I am restoring an old water pump and require a bearing which is a Hoffmann > MS9ACD or equivalent. It is approximately two and a quarter inches OD and > 29/32 ID. Any information would be appreciated. > > Thanks > Ron From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Oct 27 05:15:26 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:15:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RFD TV Show Message-ID: <40495A852DF947749952596EF28E4072@tommyd0x52gkco> I occasionally watch RFD TV and will catch an Engine and Tractor show they'll feature. I got an email today from Aumann Auctions telling of their show on RFD TV called "Aumann's Album". I haven't seen it on RFD but I'm going to try to catch it. Here's a Youtube clip they sent with the email. Looks like it could be fun to watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfcGxG-3ye8 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 06:05:14 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:05:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Old Hoffmann bearing In-Reply-To: <000501c937d6$7bded560$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <000501c937d6$7bded560$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <6f6025160810270605x1616b20fm963cc0afabede5b3@mail.gmail.com> On 27/10/2008, Ron Page wrote: > Hi all > > > > I am restoring an old water pump and require a bearing which is a Hoffmann > MS9ACD or equivalent. It is approximately two and a quarter inches OD and > 29/32 ID. Any information would be appreciated. > Thanks > Ron It also comes up as a Nato stock number: 3110-99-950-1929 7/8" bore, 2-1/4" OD and 11/16" wide. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Oct 27 06:50:41 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:50:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Hi Tommy, Are you related to Barry too? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Oct 27, 2008, at 6:45 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Dave, > Are you talking about cousin Barry? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:22 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > > >> Hi Arnie, Did you,know that Tommy Turner (Yes, THE JUDGE) is IN THE >> TANK for Obama? >> Dave >> PS, It's sad to loose a good friend like that to Communism! >> >> >> -------- >> David Rotigel >> rotigel at alltel.net >> >> >> >> On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:15 AM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >> >>> Hi Alan, >>> >>> The banter and camaderie still exists; it just takes place off-list >>> among >>> like-minded individuals and over on Slick Willy. What you see is >>> the result of >>> a focus on just engines. It totally misses what made this group >>> what it was. >>> >>> Have you ever been to an engine show gathering where the ONLY thing >>> talked about >>> was engines? If you did, you would have noticed more silence than >>> talking. So >>> it is with lists. >>> >>> As the old wheeze goes; be careful what you wish for, you might get >>> it. >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> Quoting Alan : >>> >>>> This sure is a different list than what it was when I joined up. >>>> No I don't actually WANT 100 messages a day but I would like to see >>>> a little >>>> more activity. >>>> Now who has been playing with their engines? >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1747 - Release Date: > 10/26/2008 > 9:27 AM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 06:46:32 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:46:32 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Old Hoffmann bearing In-Reply-To: <6f6025160810270605x1616b20fm963cc0afabede5b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <000501c937d6$7bded560$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <6f6025160810270605x1616b20fm963cc0afabede5b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160810270646l6287cf0au4994735b345f6ef2@mail.gmail.com> On 27/10/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 27/10/2008, Ron Page wrote: >> Hi all >> >> I am restoring an old water pump and require a bearing which is a Hoffmann >> MS9ACD or equivalent. It is approximately two and a quarter inches OD and >> 29/32 ID. Any information would be appreciated. >> Thanks >> Ron > > It also comes up as a Nato stock number: 3110-99-950-1929 > > 7/8" bore, 2-1/4" OD and 11/16" wide. > > Peter In stock at our local bearing place, ?37.27 each plus VAT, Part No MJT7/8 as per peter Lowe's post. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Oct 27 07:20:57 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:20:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1F284EA5068949AC8C9F59E45A679BF0@tommyd0x52gkco> Why sure. We even attended Harvard together. I became a community official, he became a community organizer. Looks like I got the short end of the stick. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 9:51 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? Hi Tommy, Are you related to Barry too? Dave From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Oct 27 09:11:37 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:11:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081027110431.034154b0@pop3.wcoil.com> You Are so right Arnie, For our part and a lot others too, the conversations at shows in camp around the camp fires gets all over the board, from engines to religion and everything inbetween and many times there are disagreements but in the end we all keep hanging together. Mark PS: See everyone at Wapakonetta Ohio in 11 days. At 12:15 AM 10/27/08, you wrote: >Hi Alan, > >The banter and camaderie still exists; it just takes place off-list among >like-minded individuals and over on Slick Willy. What you see is the >result of >a focus on just engines. It totally misses what made this group what it was. > >Have you ever been to an engine show gathering where the ONLY thing talked >about >was engines? If you did, you would have noticed more silence than >talking. So >it is with lists. > >As the old wheeze goes; be careful what you wish for, you might get it. > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Alan : > > > This sure is a different list than what it was when I joined up. > > No I don't actually WANT 100 messages a day but I would like to see a > little > > more activity. > > Now who has been playing with their engines? > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Oct 27 08:13:44 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:13:44 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 55, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081027171242.00c589e8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Palmer Marine engine help needed >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >On 26/10/2008, Jerry Evans wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > Who are the small marine engine specialists on the list? Thanks to the 2 Peters, I've passed the info on. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From George_Best at adp.com Mon Oct 27 08:30:31 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:30:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Dave, Don't worry. Obama likes to redistribute wealth by taking from those that have and giving to the less fortunate. Seems to me his supporters should have the same views, and realize how wrong it is for them to have so many rare engines and sideshafts. I'll be looking forward to the redistribution of engines to us less fortunate collectors! George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:22 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? Hi Arnie, Did you,know that Tommy Turner (Yes, THE JUDGE) is IN THE TANK for Obama? Dave PS, It's sad to loose a good friend like that to Communism! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Oct 27 09:17:27 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:17:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> ROFLMAO!!! Brilliant reply George. Where do we "unfortunates" line up? See ya, Arnie Quoting "Best, George" : > Don't worry. > > Obama likes to redistribute wealth by taking from those that have and > giving to the less fortunate. > > Seems to me his supporters should have the same views, and realize how > wrong it is for them to have so many rare engines and sideshafts. > > I'll be looking forward to the redistribution of engines to us less > fortunate collectors! > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Hi Arnie, Did you,know that Tommy Turner (Yes, THE JUDGE) is IN THE > TANK for Obama? From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Oct 27 09:33:40 2008 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:33:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net> On Oct 27, 2008, at 12:17 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > ROFLMAO!!! Brilliant reply George. Where do we "unfortunates" line > up? Hey Nukeboy, you have a sideshaft or 2 and since I have NONE and am relatively local to the Land of Lincoln Refuge for Drool Worthy Iron, wherever the line is you're definitely BEHIND me!!! Mike > > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting "Best, George" : > >> Don't worry. >> >> Obama likes to redistribute wealth by taking from those that have and >> giving to the less fortunate. >> >> Seems to me his supporters should have the same views, and realize >> how >> wrong it is for them to have so many rare engines and sideshafts. >> >> I'll be looking forward to the redistribution of engines to us less >> fortunate collectors! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> Hi Arnie, Did you,know that Tommy Turner (Yes, THE JUDGE) is IN THE >> TANK for Obama? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at alltel.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Oct 27 09:49:57 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:49:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 55, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081027184848.022806d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 27/10/2008, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 9:35:36 -0700 >From: >Subject: Re: [SEL] Palmer Marine engine help needed >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <20081026123536.KES6J.611416.root at mp16> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > >Jerry, I'll be glad to offer any help I can, I'm familiar with some of the >models, I have two of them. The OLDMARINEENGINE site is good, Dick Day is >a contributor there. He's in his 80's and has been running Palmers since >his teens, has a lot of factory info, and has the first engine Palmer ever >made. >J.B. Castagnos Many thanks J.B. I've forwarded your reply to my friend - his name is Louis Boshoff. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Oct 27 10:51:55 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:51:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> <4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net> Message-ID: Not so fast Mike. Arnie does have that very nice Lorenz, the Bessemer, and the one of a kind experimental hot tube IH M. But you have a FOOS and that awesome IH buzz rig. So step aside! Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============================= > From: oldironnut at alltel.net > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:33:40 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > > On Oct 27, 2008, at 12:17 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > >> ROFLMAO!!! Brilliant reply George. Where do we "unfortunates" line >> up? > > Hey Nukeboy, you have a sideshaft or 2 and since I have NONE and am > relatively local to the Land of Lincoln Refuge for Drool Worthy Iron, > wherever the line is you're definitely BEHIND me!!! > > Mike > >> >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> Quoting "Best, George" : >> >>> Don't worry. >>> >>> Obama likes to redistribute wealth by taking from those that have and >>> giving to the less fortunate. >>> >>> Seems to me his supporters should have the same views, and realize >>> how >>> wrong it is for them to have so many rare engines and sideshafts. >>> >>> I'll be looking forward to the redistribution of engines to us less >>> fortunate collectors! >>> > > ______________________ > Michael Tucker > oldironnut at alltel.net > Versailles, Kentucky, USA > ______________________ _________________________________________________________________ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Oct 27 10:04:02 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:04:02 +0900 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> <4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net> Message-ID: Hello Arnie and Dave ,so good to hear you again ,for a while now due to the fiscal crisis and your political situation I feared you had taken to the hills. Now at the risk of upsetting someone who wishes for a 100 engine related emails a day I thought I would run this past you..... In 1773 there was the Boston Tea Party,those bloody colonists tipped all that tea into the harbour .I know a little about this affair probably more than you know about the ''NSW Rum Corp''.Sorry I diverge ,where was I ,yes the Tea party.As you would well know the reason for this act of wanton vandalism was the misguided view of these colonists that they were being unfairly taxed .Perhaps from todays point of view they were indeed. My next point,due to the misguided practice of certain American banks and lending institutions a global financial crisis has resulted and we all hope that it does not get to the stage of 1929.However it has resulted in non Amercan Goverments bailing out their own banks and lending institutions and the world sinking into recession.Here in Australia, Rudd the almighty has guaranteed all bank accounts will be safe ,there is no limit to how much moolah you can have in deposit .If you have money in a investment scheme as a lot of poor old self funded retired engine men do then Rudd the Almighty says go and see Centerlink [ or ''Let Them Eat Cake''] Sorry I diverge again, where was I ,yes the Tea Party,well the way I see it was those poor Yankee Colonists saw this tax as ''Tax with out Representation''. Now all these years latter I feel the same way ,I can not influence how the US regulates it's banks and financial institutions ,but my tax is being used to prop up banks here who have suffered as a result of the US fiasco....drawing a long bow ,perhaps but worth a comment or two! To appease those who wish for those 100 a day engine related emails ,yes I could have gone to Slick Willy but there are so many crack pots on that ,it is worse than getting a 100 engine related emails a day..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > On Oct 27, 2008, at 12:17 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > >> ROFLMAO!!! Brilliant reply George. Where do we "unfortunates" line >> up? > > Hey Nukeboy, you have a sideshaft or 2 and since I have NONE and am > relatively local to the Land of Lincoln Refuge for Drool Worthy Iron, > wherever the line is you're definitely BEHIND me!!! > > Mike > >> >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> Quoting "Best, George" : >> >>> Don't worry. >>> >>> Obama likes to redistribute wealth by taking from those that have and >>> giving to the less fortunate. >>> >>> Seems to me his supporters should have the same views, and realize >>> how >>> wrong it is for them to have so many rare engines and sideshafts. >>> >>> I'll be looking forward to the redistribution of engines to us less >>> fortunate collectors! >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >>> Hi Arnie, Did you,know that Tommy Turner (Yes, THE JUDGE) is IN THE >>> TANK for Obama? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > ______________________ > Michael Tucker > oldironnut at alltel.net > Versailles, Kentucky, USA > ______________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 27 11:13:43 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:13:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <003301c9385f$bfd78170$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I'd imagine there will be a line at "The Smith " where they will all be stacked like cordwood , permanently . > ROFLMAO!!! Brilliant reply George. Where do we "unfortunates" line up? > >> I'll be looking forward to the redistribution of engines to us less >> fortunate collectors! From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon Oct 27 11:51:23 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:51:23 -0000 Subject: [SEL] [SPAM] Re: OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <768BD7D97C1146118C28E2334DF4FDF4@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Arnie, Talking of less fortunates lining up , could you save a place for me and a large area to lay down my container for taking new toys home in( sorry should have been small container as the x-change rate sucks big style at the moment) Bye for now, Craig in soggy Scotland ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > ROFLMAO!!! Brilliant reply George. Where do we "unfortunates" line up? > > See ya, Arnie From andyglines at hotmail.com Mon Oct 27 11:59:42 2008 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:59:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Indiana Historical Steam Assoc Message-ID: This topic may be a little off-topic for some of you so I will apologize in advance. I'm just trying to get the word out. General Membership meeting of the Indiana Historical Steam Association will be at the Dubois County museum in Jasper, Indiana. The museum is near the intersection of 26th Street and Hwy 231. Meeting time is at 1:00 Eastern Standard Time. The Lindauers plan to have food and drinks for everyone. Please let me know if you plan to attend so that I can RSVP for you. We will be discussing future inspection and operator licensing regluations for the operation of historic steam equipment in Indiana.www.indianahistoricalsteamassociation.com You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC. See how _________________________________________________________________ When your life is on the go?take your life with you. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298558/direct/01/ From enginepaul at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 12:14:18 2008 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:14:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] How about an opinion? Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0810271214q49f05bbfjca03ca29dbc9555d@mail.gmail.com> My apologies to the Stationary purists, but I have an opportunity to get a Fairmont that was used on a rail track maintenance car. Is this worth the time to set it up? Paul in SanFran with limited space From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Mon Oct 27 12:30:27 2008 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:30:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How about an opinion? References: <8d3c36fb0810271214q49f05bbfjca03ca29dbc9555d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007001c9386a$7a25b470$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5> Yes ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. Johns" To: Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:14 PM Subject: [SEL] How about an opinion? > My apologies to the Stationary purists, but I have an opportunity to get a > Fairmont that was used on a rail track maintenance car. > Is this worth the time to set it up? > > Paul in SanFran with limited space > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Oct 27 12:43:10 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:43:10 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? Message-ID: In a message dated 10/27/2008 11:33:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, George_Best at adp.com writes: I'll be looking forward to the redistribution of engines to us less Fortunate collectors! Wonder if the line up will be by lottery or just how it will be redistributed fairly? I got my eye on some too and do not want to be left out. **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics ? check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Oct 27 14:09:38 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:09:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] How about an opinion? References: <8d3c36fb0810271214q49f05bbfjca03ca29dbc9555d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <323C7E586A934A28AF7CE861AC2F9BBE@PETER> Hi Paul Well, with all those trolley car track around San Fran, mate you are in heaven (smile) If you want it get it. Peter, Oz > My apologies to the Stationary purists, but I have an opportunity to get a > Fairmont that was used on a rail track maintenance car. > Is this worth the time to set it up? > > Paul in SanFran with limited space > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 27 14:14:07 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:14:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How about an opinion? References: <8d3c36fb0810271214q49f05bbfjca03ca29dbc9555d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ea01c93878$f3968a10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > My apologies to the Stationary purists, You really need to quit doing that . but I have an opportunity to get a > Fairmont that was used on a rail track maintenance car. > Is this worth the time to set it up? Set it up to do what ? Baja ? Freestyle ? Tablesaw ? Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Oct 27 14:18:29 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:18:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> <4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1225142309.490630256fcb6@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Peter, Oh you poor, poor baby. Imagine how I feel? Our government is taking a bazillion of OUR tax dollars and doling it out to PERFECTLY HEALTHY businesses!! Case in point that rankles me. PNC bank buys National City bank for $5.6 billion thus becoming the fifth largest bank in the US. And our Uncle Sugar gives PNC bank $7.7 billion! http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/24/news/companies/bank_stocks/index.htm And you whine about your taxes propping up a few struggling Aussie banks? Gimmie a break. To paraphrase that well known Aussie symbol, Crocodile Dundee, "You call that a tax mess? THIS is a tax mess." See ya, Arnie Quoting peter ogborne : > Now all these years latter I feel the same way ,I can not influence how the > US regulates it's banks and financial institutions ,but my tax is being > used to prop up banks here who have suffered as a result of the US > fiasco....drawing a long bow ,perhaps but worth a comment or two! From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 27 14:19:40 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:19:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FORD PARTS Message-ID: <011101c93879$b994e130$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Anybody in the South have a steering gear for 2-8-9N Ford ? My companero has one , sans one . this dude wcp at priday.net Chuck From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Oct 27 14:25:28 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:25:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [SPAM] Re: OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <768BD7D97C1146118C28E2334DF4FDF4@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> <768BD7D97C1146118C28E2334DF4FDF4@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <1225142728.490631c8a7852@webmail.city-net.com> Holy crap Craig, you're right, it has fallen!! I show $1.55 per pound. This summer wasn't it up around $2.10 per pound? I need to get my arse back across the pond with a fistful of greenbacks! See ya, Arnie Quoting craig morrison : > Talking of less fortunates lining up , could you save a place for me and > a large area to lay down my container for taking new toys home in( sorry > should have been small container as the x-change rate sucks big style at the > moment) From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 14:30:03 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] How about an opinion? In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0810271214q49f05bbfjca03ca29dbc9555d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <156687.50715.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Worse than a Maytag single. Loud and annoying at shows. Sorry Luke if you are reading this. 8>)) Maybe not so bad if it has a very good muffler. ??? Alan in Michigan --- On Mon, 10/27/08, P. Johns wrote: > From: P. Johns > Subject: [SEL] How about an opinion? > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 3:14 PM > My apologies to the Stationary purists, but I have an > opportunity to get a > Fairmont that was used on a rail track maintenance car. > Is this worth the time to set it up? > > Paul in SanFran with limited space > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Oct 27 13:38:41 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:38:41 +0900 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com><4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net> <1225142309.490630256fcb6@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <60120EFCF8604F70A43CDD1C6022C284@your9e74d7efa7> Howdy Arnie,it 's all relative there's only twenty million of us ..As for Dundee ,dont mention that arsehole to me ,he a tax dodger who prefers to live in the US and you are welcome to the prick!What I am saying is that your banks started it ....was it Gordon Gecko? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > G'day Peter, > > Oh you poor, poor baby. Imagine how I feel? Our government is taking a > bazillion of OUR tax dollars and doling it out to PERFECTLY HEALTHY > businesses!! Case in point that rankles me. PNC bank buys National City > bank > for $5.6 billion thus becoming the fifth largest bank in the US. And our > Uncle > Sugar gives PNC bank $7.7 billion! > http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/24/news/companies/bank_stocks/index.htm > > And you whine about your taxes propping up a few struggling Aussie banks? > > Gimmie a break. To paraphrase that well known Aussie symbol, Crocodile > Dundee, > "You call that a tax mess? THIS is a tax mess." > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting peter ogborne : > > > >> Now all these years latter I feel the same way ,I can not influence how >> the >> US regulates it's banks and financial institutions ,but my tax is being >> used to prop up banks here who have suffered as a result of the US >> fiasco....drawing a long bow ,perhaps but worth a comment or two! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Oct 27 14:43:25 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:43:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] How about an opinion? In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0810271214q49f05bbfjca03ca29dbc9555d@mail.gmail.com> References: <8d3c36fb0810271214q49f05bbfjca03ca29dbc9555d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5078E71E-91F5-4E9D-A786-F2D731017E1A@rustyiron.com> On Oct 27, 2008, at 12:14 PM, P. Johns wrote: > My apologies to the Stationary purists, but I have an opportunity to > get a > Fairmont that was used on a rail track maintenance car. > Is this worth the time to set it up? Hi Paul, Can you get the entire speeder? I've had the pleasure of getting to ride a couple, and it's a blast. There are two dangers, however: getting run over by a train, and getting overrun by a horde of hobos. http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/speeder.jpg From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Oct 27 14:51:40 2008 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:51:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] [SPAM] Re: OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <1225142728.490631c8a7852@webmail.city-net.com> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> <768BD7D97C1146118C28E2334DF4FDF4@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <1225142728.490631c8a7852@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <490637EC.9020801@insulate.co.uk> Hi Arnie Damn right - our beer industry needs you! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7691987.stm Dolly fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Holy crap Craig, you're right, it has fallen!! I show $1.55 per pound. This > summer wasn't it up around $2.10 per pound? > > I need to get my arse back across the pond with a fistful of greenbacks! > > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Oct 27 14:56:07 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:56:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. Message-ID: You can't attach pictures to SEL messages :-( But you can click on these. They were taken yesterday. http://xrl.us/ovbgx http://xrl.us/ovbgz http://xrl.us/ovbg9 From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Oct 27 15:08:43 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:08:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6AC2651B-3283-4138-9B4C-18A354673501@rustyiron.com> On Oct 27, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > You can't attach pictures to SEL messages > :-( > But you can click on these. > They were taken yesterday. Oh, snap! These problems wouldn't occur if we could attach pictures. Here's another try of some engine pictures: http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Hornsby-C-17.jpg http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Hornsby-Blimp.jpg http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Hornsby-Cadets.jpg From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Oct 27 16:12:32 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:12:32 -0800 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. Message-ID: <20081027.151232.1576.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Rob. Those all go to the same site. Where did you go? It looks like Reg is in the picture. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:56:07 -0700 Rob Skinner writes: > You can't attach pictures to SEL messages > :-( > But you can click on these. > They were taken yesterday. > > http:rl.us/ovbgx > http://xrl.us/ovbgz > http://xrl.us/ovbg9 ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find Medical Transcription Training programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nFN8jgJEI1HlsXpFMggxD1kPDJSJswShsTNf4SlL9Yu38Xr/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Oct 27 15:19:48 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:19:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. In-Reply-To: <20081027.151232.1576.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20081027.151232.1576.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: On Oct 27, 2008, at 4:12 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi Rob. Those all go to the same site. Where did you go? It looks > like > Reg is in the picture. Sorry Ron. Wrong set of pictures. Try the new links. You should have come out, it was a VERY good show. Rob From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 15:21:25 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. In-Reply-To: <6AC2651B-3283-4138-9B4C-18A354673501@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <665716.18020.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Who are those three young folks in the third picture? Alan in Michigan --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Rob Skinner wrote: > From: Rob Skinner > Subject: Re: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:08 PM > On Oct 27, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > You can't attach pictures to SEL messages > > :-( > > But you can click on these. > > They were taken yesterday. > > Oh, snap! > These problems wouldn't occur if we could attach > pictures. > Here's another try of some engine pictures: > > http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Hornsby-C-17.jpg > > http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Hornsby-Blimp.jpg > > http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Hornsby-Cadets.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon Oct 27 15:22:52 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:22:52 -0000 Subject: [SEL] [SPAM] Re: OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com><768BD7D97C1146118C28E2334DF4FDF4@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <1225142728.490631c8a7852@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: This summer your right I was getting just over $2 per pound before I crossed the pond to add to your economic prosperity. The first time I came over in 2004 it was about $1.50 per pound so this is not good ( may put further trips on back burner) Cheers, Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] [SPAM] Re: OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > Holy crap Craig, you're right, it has fallen!! I show $1.55 per pound. > This > summer wasn't it up around $2.10 per pound? > > I need to get my arse back across the pond with a fistful of greenbacks! > > See ya, Arnie From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Oct 27 15:47:26 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:47:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <60120EFCF8604F70A43CDD1C6022C284@your9e74d7efa7> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com><4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net> <1225142309.490630256fcb6@webmail.city-net.com> <60120EFCF8604F70A43CDD1C6022C284@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <1225147646.490644fe74340@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Peter, Quoting peter ogborne : > your banks started it ....was it Gordon Gecko? No, he does telly commercials for GEICO insurance. See ya, Arnie From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Oct 27 14:57:07 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:57:07 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Three for one deal Message-ID: <7CCC2909A3E94FB38C46633FBD2F318C@your9e74d7efa7> Rob ,whats that little engine sort of under the blimp in front of the old timer? From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Oct 27 16:13:15 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:13:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com><768BD7D97C1146118C28E2334DF4FDF4@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <1225142728.490631c8a7852@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: On Oct 27, 2008, at 3:22 PM, craig morrison wrote: > This summer your right I was getting just over $2 per pound before I > crossed > the pond to add to your economic prosperity. The first time I came > over in > 2004 it was about $1.50 per pound so this is not good ( may put > further > trips on back burner) Don't worry about it, mate! Just start packing some of those shipping containers with some of your fine Scottish engines, and we'll be HAPPY to assist in YOUR economic prosperity. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Oct 27 16:16:29 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:16:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. In-Reply-To: <665716.18020.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <665716.18020.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <52BE2D7A-3C61-4645-977E-B346C5E22295@rustyiron.com> On Oct 27, 2008, at 3:21 PM, Alan wrote: > Who are those three young folks in the third picture? > > Alan in Michigan Hi Alan, Those young ladies are cadets of the 2nd Platoon. The show was at the Joint Forces Training Base, for the benefit of the community, the soldiers and their families. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Oct 27 16:19:46 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:19:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Three for one deal In-Reply-To: <7CCC2909A3E94FB38C46633FBD2F318C@your9e74d7efa7> References: <7CCC2909A3E94FB38C46633FBD2F318C@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <5661A9F6-C478-4FE7-8BC9-862B81D6E71B@rustyiron.com> On Oct 27, 2008, at 2:57 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > Rob ,whats that little engine sort of under the blimp in front of > the old timer? Old Timer?! That's none other than Gibson Gus, engine man, truck man, and part-time husband to visiting southern belles in need. But I'll say no more, because what happens in California stays in California. Perhaps Gus can answer questions about his display. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Oct 27 16:20:05 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:20:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1225149605.49064ca582e79@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Rob, Great pic of "fun with a speeder." Easily worth sending three times. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Rob Skinner : > You can't attach pictures to SEL messages > :-( > But you can click on these. > They were taken yesterday. > > http://xrl.us/ovbgx > http://xrl.us/ovbgz > http://xrl.us/ovbg9 From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Oct 27 16:23:40 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:23:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. In-Reply-To: <6AC2651B-3283-4138-9B4C-18A354673501@rustyiron.com> References: <6AC2651B-3283-4138-9B4C-18A354673501@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1225149820.49064d7c3d896@webmail.city-net.com> Rob, What's the story on the Horny Cadets? See ya, Arnie Quoting Rob Skinner : > http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Horny-Cadets.jpg From james.kangas at timken.com Mon Oct 27 16:22:02 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:22:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. References: <6AC2651B-3283-4138-9B4C-18A354673501@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: "These problems wouldn't occur if we could attach pictures."Yes it would be nice if they would change the rules to allow jpegs to be attached. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Rob Skinner Sent: Mon 10/27/2008 6:08 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message,three engine pictures. On Oct 27, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > You can't attach pictures to SEL messages > :-( > But you can click on these. > They were taken yesterday. Oh, snap! Here's another try of some engine pictures: http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Hornsby-C-17.jpg http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Hornsby-Blimp.jpg http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Hornsby-Cadets.jpg _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Oct 27 17:07:35 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:07:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> <4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Peter, What kind of cheese would you like with that? Dave On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:04 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > Hello Arnie and Dave ,so good to hear you again ,for a while now due > to the > fiscal crisis and your political situation I feared you had taken to > the > hills. Now at the risk of upsetting someone who wishes for a 100 > engine > related emails a day I thought I would run this past you..... > In 1773 there was the Boston Tea Party,those bloody colonists tipped > all > that tea into the harbour .I know a little about this affair > probably more > than you know about the ''NSW Rum Corp''.Sorry I diverge ,where was > I ,yes > the Tea party.As you would well know the reason for this act of wanton > vandalism was the misguided view of these colonists that they were > being > unfairly taxed .Perhaps from todays point of view they were indeed. > My next point,due to the misguided practice of certain American > banks and > lending institutions a global financial crisis has resulted and we > all hope > that it does not get to the stage of 1929.However it has resulted in > non > Amercan Goverments bailing out their own banks and lending > institutions and > the world sinking into recession.Here in Australia, Rudd the > almighty has > guaranteed all bank accounts will be safe ,there is no limit to how > much > moolah you can have in deposit .If you have money in a investment > scheme as > a lot of poor old self funded retired engine men do then Rudd the > Almighty > says go and see Centerlink [ or ''Let Them Eat Cake''] > Sorry I diverge again, where was I ,yes the Tea Party,well the way I > see it > was those poor Yankee Colonists saw this tax as ''Tax with out > Representation''. > Now all these years latter I feel the same way ,I can not influence > how the > US regulates it's banks and financial institutions ,but my tax is > being > used to prop up banks here who have suffered as a result of the US > fiasco....drawing a long bow ,perhaps but worth a comment or two! > To appease those who wish for those 100 a day engine related > emails ,yes I > could have gone to Slick Willy but there are so many crack pots on > that ,it > is worse than getting a 100 engine related emails a day..... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Tucker" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:33 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > > >> On Oct 27, 2008, at 12:17 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >> >>> ROFLMAO!!! Brilliant reply George. Where do we "unfortunates" line >>> up? >> >> Hey Nukeboy, you have a sideshaft or 2 and since I have NONE and am >> relatively local to the Land of Lincoln Refuge for Drool Worthy Iron, >> wherever the line is you're definitely BEHIND me!!! >> >> Mike >> >>> >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> Quoting "Best, George" : >>> >>>> Don't worry. >>>> >>>> Obama likes to redistribute wealth by taking from those that have >>>> and >>>> giving to the less fortunate. >>>> >>>> Seems to me his supporters should have the same views, and realize >>>> how >>>> wrong it is for them to have so many rare engines and sideshafts. >>>> >>>> I'll be looking forward to the redistribution of engines to us less >>>> fortunate collectors! >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> >>>> Hi Arnie, Did you,know that Tommy Turner (Yes, THE JUDGE) is IN THE >>>> TANK for Obama? >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> ______________________ >> Michael Tucker >> oldironnut at alltel.net >> Versailles, Kentucky, USA >> ______________________ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Oct 27 17:10:52 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:10:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <60120EFCF8604F70A43CDD1C6022C284@your9e74d7efa7> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com><4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net> <1225142309.490630256fcb6@webmail.city-net.com> <60120EFCF8604F70A43CDD1C6022C284@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <9C01EFE7-5349-44B6-B9E9-C0557465ED5E@alltel.net> Well, at least the man has good taste as far as a place to live goes! Dave On Oct 27, 2008, at 4:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > As for > Dundee ,dont mention that arsehole to me ,he a tax dodger who > prefers to > live in the US From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Oct 27 16:57:05 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:57:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. In-Reply-To: <1225149820.49064d7c3d896@webmail.city-net.com> References: <6AC2651B-3283-4138-9B4C-18A354673501@rustyiron.com> <1225149820.49064d7c3d896@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <49C2A812-0C1A-4290-92B4-C3D85434CAFD@rustyiron.com> On Oct 27, 2008, at 4:23 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > What's the story on It's a good thing you're not here, bro, otherwise it would my duty as a gentleman to knock you down and pour Budweiser on you. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Oct 27 16:29:56 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:29:56 +0900 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com><4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net> Message-ID: Cheese ,cheese...need an explanation of that ,couldn't be tea and cheese! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > Hi Peter, What kind of cheese would you like with that? > Dave > > > On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:04 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > >> Hello Arnie and Dave ,so good to hear you again ,for a while now due >> to the >> fiscal crisis and your political situation I feared you had taken to >> the >> hills. Now at the risk of upsetting someone who wishes for a 100 >> engine >> related emails a day I thought I would run this past you..... >> In 1773 there was the Boston Tea Party,those bloody colonists tipped >> all >> that tea into the harbour .I know a little about this affair >> probably more >> than you know about the ''NSW Rum Corp''.Sorry I diverge ,where was >> I ,yes >> the Tea party.As you would well know the reason for this act of wanton >> vandalism was the misguided view of these colonists that they were >> being >> unfairly taxed .Perhaps from todays point of view they were indeed. >> My next point,due to the misguided practice of certain American >> banks and >> lending institutions a global financial crisis has resulted and we >> all hope >> that it does not get to the stage of 1929.However it has resulted in >> non >> Amercan Goverments bailing out their own banks and lending >> institutions and >> the world sinking into recession.Here in Australia, Rudd the >> almighty has >> guaranteed all bank accounts will be safe ,there is no limit to how >> much >> moolah you can have in deposit .If you have money in a investment >> scheme as >> a lot of poor old self funded retired engine men do then Rudd the >> Almighty >> says go and see Centerlink [ or ''Let Them Eat Cake''] >> Sorry I diverge again, where was I ,yes the Tea Party,well the way I >> see it >> was those poor Yankee Colonists saw this tax as ''Tax with out >> Representation''. >> Now all these years latter I feel the same way ,I can not influence >> how the >> US regulates it's banks and financial institutions ,but my tax is >> being >> used to prop up banks here who have suffered as a result of the US >> fiasco....drawing a long bow ,perhaps but worth a comment or two! >> To appease those who wish for those 100 a day engine related >> emails ,yes I >> could have gone to Slick Willy but there are so many crack pots on >> that ,it >> is worse than getting a 100 engine related emails a day..... >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Michael Tucker" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? >> >> >>> On Oct 27, 2008, at 12:17 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >>> >>>> ROFLMAO!!! Brilliant reply George. Where do we "unfortunates" line >>>> up? >>> >>> Hey Nukeboy, you have a sideshaft or 2 and since I have NONE and am >>> relatively local to the Land of Lincoln Refuge for Drool Worthy Iron, >>> wherever the line is you're definitely BEHIND me!!! >>> >>> Mike >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> See ya, Arnie >>>> >>>> Quoting "Best, George" : >>>> >>>>> Don't worry. >>>>> >>>>> Obama likes to redistribute wealth by taking from those that have >>>>> and >>>>> giving to the less fortunate. >>>>> >>>>> Seems to me his supporters should have the same views, and realize >>>>> how >>>>> wrong it is for them to have so many rare engines and sideshafts. >>>>> >>>>> I'll be looking forward to the redistribution of engines to us less >>>>> fortunate collectors! >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> >>>>> Hi Arnie, Did you,know that Tommy Turner (Yes, THE JUDGE) is IN THE >>>>> TANK for Obama? >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> ______________________ >>> Michael Tucker >>> oldironnut at alltel.net >>> Versailles, Kentucky, USA >>> ______________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Oct 27 16:32:04 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:32:04 +0900 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com><4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net><1225142309.490630256fcb6@webmail.city-net.com><60120EFCF8604F70A43CDD1C6022C284@your9e74d7efa7> <9C01EFE7-5349-44B6-B9E9-C0557465ED5E@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1DF3811671A8481192C0D75FACA19F97@your9e74d7efa7> Dave ,I beleave that the plastic surgeons are better over your way ....Hogans appearance has changed that much he is hardly recognisable ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > Well, at least the man has good taste as far as a place to live goes! > Dave > > > On Oct 27, 2008, at 4:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote: >> As for >> Dundee ,dont mention that arsehole to me ,he a tax dodger who >> prefers to >> live in the US > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plb at iinet.net.au Mon Oct 27 17:47:43 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:47:43 +0900 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <1DF3811671A8481192C0D75FACA19F97@your9e74d7efa7> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com><4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net><1225142309.490630256fcb6@webmail.city-net.com><60120EFCF8604F70A43CDD1C6022C284@your9e74d7efa7> <9C01EFE7-5349-44B6-B9E9-C0557465ED5E@alltel.net> <1DF3811671A8481192C0D75FACA19F97@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <001801c93896$c9dec700$5d9c5500$@net.au> There you go. Maybe Hoges can give Dave his number. Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2008 8:32 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? Dave ,I beleave that the plastic surgeons are better over your way ....Hogans appearance has changed that much he is hardly recognisable ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > Well, at least the man has good taste as far as a place to live goes! > Dave > > > On Oct 27, 2008, at 4:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote: >> As for >> Dundee ,dont mention that arsehole to me ,he a tax dodger who >> prefers to >> live in the US > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Oct 27 19:52:38 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:52:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How about an opinion? Message-ID: <20081027.220230.1140.3.jlb94@juno.com> YES Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "You couldn't lick inflation if they made it an ice cream flavor." On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:14:18 -0700 "P. Johns" writes: > My apologies to the Stationary purists, but I have an opportunity to > get a > Fairmont that was used on a rail track maintenance car. > Is this worth the time to set it up? > > Paul in SanFran with limited space > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > ____________________________________________________________ Click to become a master chef, own a restaurant and make millions. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m4pDK7gkjPxlKupuPuSoEuBeaIXz4rG92HNenSptnkuCLLv/ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 22:00:04 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:00:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160810272200i48968878j38efeb1f762ed6cd@mail.gmail.com> On 27/10/2008, Alan wrote: > Hi Folks, > This sure is a different list than what it was when I joined up. > No I don't actually WANT 100 messages a day but I would like to see a little > more activity. > Now who has been playing with their engines? This is something that has impacted other mailing groups as well as SEL and Oldengine.org. When engine-related was at its peak in the late 1990's, web-based forums were relatively rare, so most of the traffic went through the email lists. Now there are literally hundreds of forums, the volume is diluted across those extra places, and many of us just don't have the time to be on all of them all the time. The Usenet newsgroups are suffering as well, they have gone from 15,000 groups to over 100,000, and the same problem arises, dilution of the available traffic across a larger number of more and more specialised groups. I can remember the indiana.edu lists well, and still have a lot of the emails on old hard drives, it is interesting to go back occasionally and see how positions and opinions have changed. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 22:05:30 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:05:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] [SPAM] Re: OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <1225142728.490631c8a7852@webmail.city-net.com> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> <768BD7D97C1146118C28E2334DF4FDF4@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <1225142728.490631c8a7852@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160810272205x68ed2e7bsfce827a7da2e3947@mail.gmail.com> On 27/10/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Holy crap Craig, you're right, it has fallen!! I show $1.55 per pound. > This summer wasn't it up around $2.10 per pound? > > I need to get my arse back across the pond with a fistful of greenbacks! > > See ya, Arnie Stay there! It is still relatively cheap for us to come over to you, but petrol is still nearly a ?1 per litre and diesel is ?1.08 per litre as of yesterday. Seems prices are always slow to go down, even though the price of crude had more than halved. We've just bought a new laptop in the USA (Acer Aspire One) which is substantially cheaper than the UK, the only snag is the US keyboard layout, but that's no big deal. We also managed a fair bit of 'goods transfer' on our two trips to the USA this year :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Oct 27 23:50:55 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:50:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Old Hoffmann bearing In-Reply-To: <6f6025160810270646l6287cf0au4994735b345f6ef2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003d01c938c9$87069fb0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Thanks for the information Peter. However I found a company on the internet in England who had original parts. Thanks again. Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2008 12:47 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Hoffmann bearing On 27/10/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 27/10/2008, Ron Page wrote: >> Hi all >> >> I am restoring an old water pump and require a bearing which is a Hoffmann >> MS9ACD or equivalent. It is approximately two and a quarter inches OD and >> 29/32 ID. Any information would be appreciated. >> Thanks >> Ron > > It also comes up as a Nato stock number: 3110-99-950-1929 > > 7/8" bore, 2-1/4" OD and 11/16" wide. > > Peter In stock at our local bearing place, ?37.27 each plus VAT, Part No MJT7/8 as per peter Lowe's post. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1708 - Release Date: 4/10/2008 11:35 AM From canuckiron at wightman.ca Tue Oct 28 01:26:49 2008 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 04:26:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4906CCC9.1070201@wightman.ca> I remember at least 100 messages a day. Everybody just got busy. I know I did. lol Mostly lurk now. Duncan Alan wrote: >Hi Folks, >This sure is a different list than what it was when I joined up. >No I don't actually WANT 100 messages a day but I would like to see a little more activity. >Now who has been playing with their engines? >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Tue Oct 28 01:49:20 2008 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (Derek) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:19:20 +1030 Subject: [SEL] OT, stobie poles In-Reply-To: <003d01c938c9$87069fb0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: There was talk of South Australias stobie poles recently, here is a great set of pictures of one, with a Ferrari. http://www.news.com.au/gallery/0,23607,5035441-5007150-1,00.html From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 28 05:47:14 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:47:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? References: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com><84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160810272200i48968878j38efeb1f762ed6cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004c01c938fb$4e6ea2b0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > I can remember the indiana.edu lists well, and still have a lot of the > emails on old hard drives, it is interesting to go back occasionally > and see how positions and opinions have changed.>> I came around on running Bon Ami in a cylinder oiler . Aint scratched yet . From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Oct 28 05:52:28 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:52:28 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Manuals added Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081028145140.01f2bdf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, 2 more manuals added to my download page today. 1) Enfield Mk. 1 (twin cyl. diesel) maintenance instructions. 2) Enfield Mk. 1 (twin cyl. diesel) parts list. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Oct 28 07:45:24 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:45:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? Message-ID: <20081028.101625.964.1.jlb94@juno.com> Now who has been playing with their engines? = = = = = = = Hi List, Well Alan, looks like you've started a land slide of e-mails. Yesterday, I had about 60 or so. I haven't been playing with the engines much, mostly because of the cold weather coming in and getting the house ready for winter, but I have purchased a new (old) Yellow Dog (no-name) over eBay. Once it got here, I checked it to be sure it didn't leak, cleaned it out with some Kerosene, made a wick out of mop head from the Dollar Store and got it ready to set out on Halloween night. Yellow Dogs make a nice background for the rest of my lanterns. The little gremlins seem to be mesmerized by seeing actual "fire" instead of some battery powered junk. Of course, you have to be sure they don't get too close. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "You couldn't lick inflation if they made it an ice cream flavor." ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Click to get a loan. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mKiwPzoP2rcH4mGRjdj8WFvHGCODVGmYRkKyfuSYwdcujaN/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 28 08:17:47 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:17:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160810272200i48968878j38efeb1f762ed6cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160810272200i48968878j38efeb1f762ed6cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1225207067.49072d1bb12ff@webmail.city-net.com> Peter, Some things have remained constant over the years since indiana.edu. Maytags are still vile, noxious beasts only worthy as axe-holders. http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html See ya, Arnie PS - That's NOT a big pretzel sitting on top of that Maytag... Quoting Listerdiesel : > I can remember the indiana.edu lists well, and still have a lot of the > emails on old hard drives, it is interesting to go back occasionally > and see how positions and opinions have changed. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 28 08:29:48 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:29:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT, stobie poles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1225207788.49072fecc2b31@webmail.city-net.com> Derek, What are "stobie poles" exactly? They appear to be very robust. I'll wager that the one sporting the Ferrari decoration won't need much beyond a paint touch-up to be back in service. See ya, Arnie Quoting Derek : > There was talk of South Australias stobie poles recently, here is a great > set of pictures of one, with a Ferrari. > http://www.news.com.au/gallery/0,23607,5035441-5007150-1,00.html From George_Best at adp.com Tue Oct 28 08:55:50 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:55:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT, stobie poles In-Reply-To: <1225207788.49072fecc2b31@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1225207788.49072fecc2b31@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BFFB37@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stobie_pole -----Original Message----- Derek, What are "stobie poles" exactly? They appear to be very robust. I'll wager that the one sporting the Ferrari decoration won't need much beyond a paint touch-up to be back in service. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 28 08:49:22 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:49:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT, stobie poles References: <1225207788.49072fecc2b31@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stobie_pole ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, stobie poles > Derek, > > What are "stobie poles" exactly? They appear to be very robust. > I'll wager that the one sporting the Ferrari decoration won't need much > beyond a > paint touch-up to be back in service. > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Derek : > >> There was talk of South Australias stobie poles recently, here is a great >> set of pictures of one, with a Ferrari. >> http://www.news.com.au/gallery/0,23607,5035441-5007150-1,00.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1752 - Release Date: 10/28/2008 10:04 AM From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 28 09:04:41 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:04:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. In-Reply-To: <49C2A812-0C1A-4290-92B4-C3D85434CAFD@rustyiron.com> References: <6AC2651B-3283-4138-9B4C-18A354673501@rustyiron.com> <1225149820.49064d7c3d896@webmail.city-net.com> <49C2A812-0C1A-4290-92B4-C3D85434CAFD@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1225209881.49073819b911c@webmail.city-net.com> Well Rob, that might be the ONLY useful thing to do with that swill. OTOH, a full can of Bud (or Bud Light) does make a lovely big splash when you hit it with a suitable projectile. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Rob Skinner : > It's a good thing you're not here, bro, otherwise it would my duty as > a gentleman to knock you down and pour Budweiser on you. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 09:59:27 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:59:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <1225207067.49072d1bb12ff@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160810272200i48968878j38efeb1f762ed6cd@mail.gmail.com> <1225207067.49072d1bb12ff@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160810280959u4670a5f8x6201fdf3fba4691@mail.gmail.com> On 28/10/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Peter, > > Some things have remained constant over the years since indiana.edu. > Maytags are still vile, noxious beasts only worthy as axe-holders. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - That's NOT a big pretzel sitting on top of that Maytag... History may well prove you wrong. Thanks mainly to Dave's web coverage of Fred's 'motors' they are even more popular now than they were 10 years ago... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 28 13:03:09 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:03:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160810280959u4670a5f8x6201fdf3fba4691@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160810272200i48968878j38efeb1f762ed6cd@mail.gmail.com> <1225207067.49072d1bb12ff@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160810280959u4670a5f8x6201fdf3fba4691@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1225224189.49076ffd81a1a@webmail.city-net.com> Damn right they are!! With that shape you just can't find a better boat anchor! Quoting Listerdiesel : > History may well prove you wrong. Thanks mainly to Dave's web coverage > of Fred's 'motors' they are even more popular now than they were 10 > years ago... :-)) From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Oct 28 14:21:01 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:21:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT, stobie poles References: <1225207788.49072fecc2b31@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <31F678A6F0BD4DFE88ED61214E0225A3@PETER> The reason that photo looks so spectacular is that the Ferrari has its engine in the back. So until it hit the fire wall it was only going through tin plate, fibre glass and steering components. Still, I would not like to be a passenger !!!! Now this pictures shows how weak the power poles really are ;-)))) forget the story line as it has changed meaning many times on the internet, the pictures are real. http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://officespam.chattablogs.com/archives/Ferrari-Engine-7-thumb.jpg&imgrefurl=http://officespam.chattablogs.com/archives/2007/03/dad-can-i-borrow-the-car.html&h=428&w=640&sz=72&hl=en&start=11&usg=__Bka4yf2LFIOc1lZ40igxIrq1avc=&tbnid=rcjhH0kzC1oPvM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dferrari%2Bengine%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dig www.wreckedexotics.com When Kaye and I were driving from San Francisco to Rob & Kelley's in Los Angeles, a Ferrari and a Mercedes convertible were road racing and passed us like a scud missile. The noise was great from those V8 or V12 ??? engines. They over took us and about 10 other cars in a straight line and then over a blind crest. The older drivers that were being over taken in front of us were so frightened by the experience, half of them pulled over to the side of the road to check their pacemakers. Peter, Oz From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 15:12:44 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <1225224189.49076ffd81a1a@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <730842.29477.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Arnie, You are one great story teller. Too bad it's all fiction. 8>)) A few years ago when I took just a Maytag single and a twin to a little show I wish I had set up a camcorder to catch how many people just loved seeing those two silly engines run together. Teenagers and grandpas alike were asking questions about why they ran so differently. It was a far better attention than I had ever seen in previous years with much better flywheel engines. Alan in Michigan --- On Tue, 10/28/08, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > From: fero_ah at city-net.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 4:03 PM > Damn right they are!! > > With that shape you just can't find a better boat > anchor! > > Quoting Listerdiesel : > > > History may well prove you wrong. Thanks mainly to > Dave's web coverage > > of Fred's 'motors' they are even more > popular now than they were 10 > > years ago... :-)) > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Tue Oct 28 15:24:50 2008 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:24:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT, stobie poles In-Reply-To: <1225207788.49072fecc2b31@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1225207788.49072fecc2b31@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <001301c9394c$02e157b0$08a40710$@net.au> Arnie They are unique to South Australia and used to carry electricity wires. They are made up of steel H iron with concrete between them and bolted together. They come in various sizes. There was never suitable tall timber in South Australia, hence their invention. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2008 1:30 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, stobie poles Derek, What are "stobie poles" exactly? They appear to be very robust. I'll wager that the one sporting the Ferrari decoration won't need much beyond a paint touch-up to be back in service. See ya, Arnie Quoting Derek : > There was talk of South Australias stobie poles recently, here is a great > set of pictures of one, with a Ferrari. > http://www.news.com.au/gallery/0,23607,5035441-5007150-1,00.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From camaned at iinet.net.au Tue Oct 28 15:34:57 2008 From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:34:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT, stobie poles In-Reply-To: <31F678A6F0BD4DFE88ED61214E0225A3@PETER> References: <1225207788.49072fecc2b31@webmail.city-net.com> <31F678A6F0BD4DFE88ED61214E0225A3@PETER> Message-ID: <895479E8C5EE4D97AAA9EE52D793C6B1@CamPC> Hey Pete it was more likely their undies and not their pacemakers. Cheers Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, stobie poles > The reason that photo looks so spectacular is that the Ferrari has its > engine in the back. So until it hit the fire wall it was only going > through > tin plate, fibre glass and steering components. > Still, I would not like to be a passenger !!!! > > Now this pictures shows how weak the power poles really are ;-)))) forget > the story line as it has changed meaning many times on the internet, the > pictures are real. > http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://officespam.chattablogs.com/archives/Ferrari-Engine-7-thumb.jpg&imgrefurl=http://officespam.chattablogs.com/archives/2007/03/dad-can-i-borrow-the-car.html&h=428&w=640&sz=72&hl=en&start=11&usg=__Bka4yf2LFIOc1lZ40igxIrq1avc=&tbnid=rcjhH0kzC1oPvM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dferrari%2Bengine%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dig > > www.wreckedexotics.com > > When Kaye and I were driving from San Francisco to Rob & Kelley's in Los > Angeles, a Ferrari and a Mercedes convertible were road racing and passed > us > like a scud missile. The noise was great from those V8 or V12 ??? engines. > They over took us and about 10 other cars in a straight line and then over > a > blind crest. The older drivers that were being over taken in front of us > were so frightened by the experience, half of them pulled over to the side > of the road to check their pacemakers. > > Peter, Oz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Oct 28 17:46:55 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:46:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160810280959u4670a5f8x6201fdf3fba4691@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160810272200i48968878j38efeb1f762ed6cd@mail.gmail.com> <1225207067.49072d1bb12ff@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160810280959u4670a5f8x6201fdf3fba4691@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19833F21-6556-42ED-A418-B788959925A4@alltel.net> > History may well prove you wrong. Thanks mainly to Dave's web coverage > of Fred's 'motors' they are even more popular now than they were 10 > years ago... :-)) > > Peter Hell Peter, Deer hunting here in PA is more popular than it was 10 years ago. What's your point? Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Oct 28 21:14:45 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:14:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com><4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net> Message-ID: Peter, I just thought some sort of cheese might go well with your Whine! Dave On Oct 27, 2008, at 7:29 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > Cheese ,cheese...need an explanation of that ,couldn't be tea and > cheese! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:07 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > > >> Hi Peter, What kind of cheese would you like with that? >> Dave >> >> >> On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:04 PM, peter ogborne wrote: >> >>> Hello Arnie and Dave ,so good to hear you again ,for a while now due >>> to the >>> fiscal crisis and your political situation I feared you had taken to >>> the >>> hills. Now at the risk of upsetting someone who wishes for a 100 >>> engine >>> related emails a day I thought I would run this past you..... >>> In 1773 there was the Boston Tea Party,those bloody colonists tipped >>> all >>> that tea into the harbour .I know a little about this affair >>> probably more >>> than you know about the ''NSW Rum Corp''.Sorry I diverge ,where was >>> I ,yes >>> the Tea party.As you would well know the reason for this act of >>> wanton >>> vandalism was the misguided view of these colonists that they were >>> being >>> unfairly taxed .Perhaps from todays point of view they were indeed. >>> My next point,due to the misguided practice of certain American >>> banks and >>> lending institutions a global financial crisis has resulted and we >>> all hope >>> that it does not get to the stage of 1929.However it has resulted in >>> non >>> Amercan Goverments bailing out their own banks and lending >>> institutions and >>> the world sinking into recession.Here in Australia, Rudd the >>> almighty has >>> guaranteed all bank accounts will be safe ,there is no limit to how >>> much >>> moolah you can have in deposit .If you have money in a investment >>> scheme as >>> a lot of poor old self funded retired engine men do then Rudd the >>> Almighty >>> says go and see Centerlink [ or ''Let Them Eat Cake''] >>> Sorry I diverge again, where was I ,yes the Tea Party,well the way I >>> see it >>> was those poor Yankee Colonists saw this tax as ''Tax with out >>> Representation''. >>> Now all these years latter I feel the same way ,I can not influence >>> how the >>> US regulates it's banks and financial institutions ,but my tax is >>> being >>> used to prop up banks here who have suffered as a result of the US >>> fiasco....drawing a long bow ,perhaps but worth a comment or two! >>> To appease those who wish for those 100 a day engine related >>> emails ,yes I >>> could have gone to Slick Willy but there are so many crack pots on >>> that ,it >>> is worse than getting a 100 engine related emails a day..... >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Michael Tucker" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> engine.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:33 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? >>> >>> >>>> On Oct 27, 2008, at 12:17 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> ROFLMAO!!! Brilliant reply George. Where do we "unfortunates" >>>>> line >>>>> up? >>>> >>>> Hey Nukeboy, you have a sideshaft or 2 and since I have NONE and am >>>> relatively local to the Land of Lincoln Refuge for Drool Worthy >>>> Iron, >>>> wherever the line is you're definitely BEHIND me!!! >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> See ya, Arnie >>>>> >>>>> Quoting "Best, George" : >>>>> >>>>>> Don't worry. >>>>>> >>>>>> Obama likes to redistribute wealth by taking from those that have >>>>>> and >>>>>> giving to the less fortunate. >>>>>> >>>>>> Seems to me his supporters should have the same views, and >>>>>> realize >>>>>> how >>>>>> wrong it is for them to have so many rare engines and sideshafts. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll be looking forward to the redistribution of engines to us >>>>>> less >>>>>> fortunate collectors! >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Arnie, Did you,know that Tommy Turner (Yes, THE JUDGE) is IN >>>>>> THE >>>>>> TANK for Obama? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> ______________________ >>>> Michael Tucker >>>> oldironnut at alltel.net >>>> Versailles, Kentucky, USA >>>> ______________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Tue Oct 28 23:55:31 2008 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:55:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT, stobie poles In-Reply-To: <001301c9394c$02e157b0$08a40710$@net.au> References: <1225207788.49072fecc2b31@webmail.city-net.com> <001301c9394c$02e157b0$08a40710$@net.au> Message-ID: And a work if engineering genius they are too! Can't say they are beautiful but some, especially the main junction ones (ie larger) have been turned into art works by having the concrete centres painted by artists. The modern version (less the concrete in fill) just don't seem the same. Case of love them or hate them (majority of opinion I think) but have to admit that they seem to easily exceed the 30 year plus expected working life and never seem to bend if a car hits them - no matter how fast it was going! Ouch!!!!!! :) Regards, Mark On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Steven N Kitto wrote: > Arnie > They are unique to South Australia and used to carry electricity > wires. They > are made up of steel H iron with concrete between them and bolted > together. > They come in various sizes. There was never suitable tall timber in > South > Australia, hence their invention. > Steve > > Steve and Denise Kitto > 95 Coleyville Road > Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 > Ph 07 54671541 > > As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. > Proverbs 27:19 > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > fero_ah at city-net.com > Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2008 1:30 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, stobie poles > > Derek, > > What are "stobie poles" exactly? They appear to be very robust. > I'll wager that the one sporting the Ferrari decoration won't need > much > beyond a > paint touch-up to be back in service. > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Derek : > >> There was talk of South Australias stobie poles recently, here is a >> great >> set of pictures of one, with a Ferrari. >> http://www.news.com.au/gallery/0,23607,5035441-5007150-1,00.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark Kennedy Ballarat, Victoria, Australia Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy 'Training Down Under with the majesty of the South Australian Railways' All aboard the Pichi Richi Railway! http://www.prr.org.au/ *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. 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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Oct 29 00:44:05 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:44:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT, stobie poles In-Reply-To: References: <1225207788.49072fecc2b31@webmail.city-net.com> <001301c9394c$02e157b0$08a40710$@net.au> Message-ID: <49081445.8000506@rustic-engines.com> > http://www.pandoramurals.com.au/images/large/giesha_stobiepole.jpg > http://www.urbanecology.org.au/adelaide/douglas/goodwoodstobiepoleart.jpg They bend. http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5398267,00.jpg Al Harris Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Mark Kennedy wrote: > And a work if engineering genius they are too! > > Can't say they are beautiful but some, especially the main junction > ones (ie larger) have been turned into art works by having the > concrete centres painted by artists. > > The modern version (less the concrete in fill) just don't seem the > same. Case of love them or hate them (majority of opinion I think) but > have to admit that they seem to easily exceed the 30 year plus > expected working life and never seem to bend if a car hits them - no > matter how fast it was going! Ouch!!!!!! > > :) > > Regards, > > Mark > > > On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Steven N Kitto wrote: > > >> Arnie >> They are unique to South Australia and used to carry electricity >> wires. They >> are made up of steel H iron with concrete between them and bolted >> together. >> They come in various sizes. There was never suitable tall timber in >> South >> Australia, hence their invention. >> Steve >> >> Steve and Denise Kitto >> 95 Coleyville Road >> Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 >> Ph 07 54671541 >> >> As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. >> Proverbs 27:19 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >> fero_ah at city-net.com >> Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2008 1:30 >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, stobie poles >> >> Derek, >> >> What are "stobie poles" exactly? They appear to be very robust. >> I'll wager that the one sporting the Ferrari decoration won't need >> much >> beyond a >> paint touch-up to be back in service. >> >> See ya, Arnie >> > From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Wed Oct 29 01:52:47 2008 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:52:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT, stobie poles In-Reply-To: <49081445.8000506@rustic-engines.com> References: <1225207788.49072fecc2b31@webmail.city-net.com> <001301c9394c$02e157b0$08a40710$@net.au> <49081445.8000506@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <985EC486-66A4-437A-96DB-986DE402DD2C@netconnect.com.au> But not much! As my father used to day, any thing will bend if you hit it hard enough with something big enough! Given the choice, I'd rather NOT trying hitting a Stobie pole with anything that I was in/attached too! Mark On Oct 29, 2008, at 6:44 PM, Al Harris wrote: >> http://www.pandoramurals.com.au/images/large/giesha_stobiepole.jpg >> http://www.urbanecology.org.au/adelaide/douglas/goodwoodstobiepoleart.jpg > They bend. > > http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5398267,00.jpg > > Al Harris > Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Mark Kennedy wrote: >> And a work if engineering genius they are too! >> >> Can't say they are beautiful but some, especially the main junction >> ones (ie larger) have been turned into art works by having the >> concrete centres painted by artists. >> >> The modern version (less the concrete in fill) just don't seem the >> same. Case of love them or hate them (majority of opinion I think) >> but >> have to admit that they seem to easily exceed the 30 year plus >> expected working life and never seem to bend if a car hits them - no >> matter how fast it was going! Ouch!!!!!! >> >> :) >> >> Regards, >> >> Mark >> >> >> On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Steven N Kitto wrote: >> >> >>> Arnie >>> They are unique to South Australia and used to carry electricity >>> wires. They >>> are made up of steel H iron with concrete between them and bolted >>> together. >>> They come in various sizes. There was never suitable tall timber in >>> South >>> Australia, hence their invention. >>> Steve >>> >>> Steve and Denise Kitto >>> 95 Coleyville Road >>> Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 >>> Ph 07 54671541 >>> >>> As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. >>> Proverbs 27:19 >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >>> fero_ah at city-net.com >>> Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2008 1:30 >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, stobie poles >>> >>> Derek, >>> >>> What are "stobie poles" exactly? They appear to be very robust. >>> I'll wager that the one sporting the Ferrari decoration won't need >>> much >>> beyond a >>> paint touch-up to be back in service. >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark Kennedy Ballarat, Victoria, Australia Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy 'Training Down Under with the majesty of the South Australian Railways' All aboard the Pichi Richi Railway! http://www.prr.org.au/ *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any effected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender. From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Wed Oct 29 04:47:26 2008 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:47:26 +0900 Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES Message-ID: Hello all, I have just aquired 4 engines that I need to know when they were made, info as per engine tags No 1 Austral Petrol Engine Pty Ltd Ballarat Ronaldson Bros & Tippet 3hp 14159 950 rpm type "N" no2 bhp type S.P.B. Nos 1675 revs per min 600/700 manufactured by Harris Scarfe & Sandovers Ltd Perth West Australia by arrangement with Ruston & Hornsby ltd Lincoln England no3 International s/n w12109 no4 unkown but could be a Simplicity s/n JJ 61704 3 hp any help will be appreciated Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Oct 29 09:21:40 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:21:40 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Some more manuals Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081029181643.00bea078@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Yesterday it was the Enfield Diesel manuals and today I've added another 2 manuals (unfortunately they are both in German). Look here: for : Deutz Model MA 268/711 parts list (in German)(1989 Kbytes) Deutz Model MA 268/711 service manual (In German) (1423 Kbytes) I hope that they are of use to some members. Keep well. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 29 12:41:45 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:41:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Ronnie N would be around October 1938. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _____ Hello all, I have just aquired 4 engines that I need to know when they were made, info as per engine tags No 1 Austral Petrol Engine Pty Ltd Ballarat Ronaldson Bros & Tippet 3hp 14159 950 rpm type "N" no2 bhp type S.P.B. Nos 1675 revs per min 600/700 manufactured by Harris Scarfe & Sandovers Ltd Perth West Australia by arrangement with Ruston & Hornsby ltd Lincoln England no3 International s/n w12109 no4 unkown but could be a Simplicity s/n JJ 61704 3 hp any help will be appreciated Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Oct 29 12:48:07 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:48:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Question for the Machinists - Advice Needed - OT Message-ID: <1225309687.4908bdf7e8ee0@webmail.city-net.com> Folks, I need a little advice on dimensioning some parts I'm designing for one of my measurement applications. I'm using commercial titanium pipe for a number of pieces in the assembly to keep the total weight down. In this application, aluminum isn't an option. When I assemble the whole rig, I'd like for the parts to be a smooth-running slip fit without being too sloppy. I need to dimension the following: - A hole bored in a block that needs to slip onto a length of 3/4" Sch. 10S titanium pipe. The nominal OD for 3/4" pipe is 1.050". Depending on whether it's welded or seamless pipe, there will be normal "commercial tolerances" for that OD (and for the ID). But I'll be damned if I can find that data on the net. So given the (presently unknown) tolerances in the 1.050" OD, what diameter and tolerances would you specify for a smooth-running slip fit? Thanks. Any help would be appreciated as the hole is presently dimensioned 1.080 +.015/-.000 and that "feels" too sloppy in my mind. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 13:17:20 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:17:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Question for the Machinists - Advice Needed - OT In-Reply-To: <1225309687.4908bdf7e8ee0@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1225309687.4908bdf7e8ee0@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160810291317o5c2c88bfi80a71931bf46e207@mail.gmail.com> On 29/10/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Folks, > > I need a little advice on dimensioning some parts I'm designing for one of > my > measurement applications. > > I'm using commercial titanium pipe for a number of pieces in the assembly to > keep the total weight down. In this application, aluminum isn't an option. > > When I assemble the whole rig, I'd like for the parts to be a smooth-running > slip fit without being too sloppy. I need to dimension the following: > > - A hole bored in a block that needs to slip onto a length of > 3/4" Sch. 10S titanium pipe. The nominal OD for 3/4" pipe is 1.050". > Depending on whether it's welded or seamless pipe, there will be > normal "commercial tolerances" for that OD (and for the ID). > But I'll be damned if I can find that data on the net. > > So given the (presently unknown) tolerances in the 1.050" OD, what diameter > and > tolerances would you specify for a smooth-running slip fit? > > Thanks. Any help would be appreciated as the hole is presently dimensioned > 1.080 +.015/-.000 and that "feels" too sloppy in my mind. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > I've just turned the CAD system off, but you can do the simple stuff fairly easily. A smooth hand-running fit with both parts having a good surface finish is only a few of thou or so, assuming a light film of oil, 5-10 thou starts to feel sloppy. You need to find out the actual size of the pipe you are going to use, and if it is +-15thou tolerance, then you're not going to know what size it really is until you buy it. Ground OD tube is usually within a thou or so, and all you need to do is to make sure your hole don't go undersize at all and tie the oversize to something that will allow you to take the commercial size tolerance and use it. I've just been drawing up a stainless steel adapter connector that allows our customers to plug a 100A charger (2-pin, unequal pins) into a 200A train socket (2 equal pins with polarising pin) The connector has to be in two parts as there is a large 75mm retaining collar on the front which mates with the threaded socket on the train, and that same threaded socket is replicated on the back for the other connector to screw to. The two body parts have a 0.0025" free running fit and are held together with 3 X M4 stainless cap head screws, retained by Loctitie. Tolerances are set up on both parts so they can actually be made and any pair will fit together. Stainless and Titanium will wring together horribly, so if you have any parts that are these materials, be careful with fits. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Oct 29 14:31:27 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:31:27 +0900 Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES References: Message-ID: <9FDE67D55B714ED1B31010E254DD4012@your9e74d7efa7> Kevin ,re the Ruston Hornsby SPB...........I have a list that was originaly compiled by Pat O'Brien who was the register for these engines .The current register I think is Tom Linguard .Tom used to reside in WA but I have no idea where he now lives...some one will know. Pat believed that engine numbering started at number 501 but he gives no dates. My list starts at No 521and goes through to S1387.It does not run concurrently and there are quite a lot of gaps.Those listed are complete with the owner and state of restoration at the time. As a matter of interest my engine is S670 .I know the owner who passed it on to me and he has given me the full background history .It is interesting as it came from and old homestead in the Fitzgerald River National Park ,spent some time at Bremmer Bay and finally made it back to Qualup ,then to Kendernup and then to me in Albany. Apparently there is a story in TOMMS Number 22 ,April 89 which may help you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin armstrong" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:47 PM Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES > Hello all, > > I have just aquired 4 engines that I need to know when they were made, > info as per engine tags > No 1 > Austral Petrol Engine Pty Ltd Ballarat > Ronaldson Bros & Tippet 3hp 14159 > 950 rpm type "N" > > no2 > bhp type S.P.B. > Nos 1675 > revs per min 600/700 > manufactured by Harris Scarfe & Sandovers Ltd > Perth West Australia > by arrangement with > Ruston & Hornsby ltd > Lincoln England > > no3 > > International s/n w12109 > > no4 > > unkown but could be a Simplicity > s/n JJ 61704 > 3 hp > > any help will be appreciated > > Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong > Collectors of old things > Perth > WA > Australia > Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member > V.C.C. of WA. member > k_armstrong at arach.net.au > www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Wed Oct 29 14:46:29 2008 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:46:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001501c93a0f$d170a270$7451e750$@net.au> Patrick Do you have the info for dating Ronnie N's ? I have 5 that I can estimate the dates from a rally list, but no accurate method. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 5:42 To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] ENGINE DATES The Ronnie N would be around October 1938. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _____ Hello all, I have just aquired 4 engines that I need to know when they were made, info as per engine tags No 1 Austral Petrol Engine Pty Ltd Ballarat Ronaldson Bros & Tippet 3hp 14159 950 rpm type "N" no2 bhp type S.P.B. Nos 1675 revs per min 600/700 manufactured by Harris Scarfe & Sandovers Ltd Perth West Australia by arrangement with Ruston & Hornsby ltd Lincoln England no3 International s/n w12109 no4 unkown but could be a Simplicity s/n JJ 61704 3 hp any help will be appreciated Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ilifa at internode.on.net Wed Oct 29 14:54:30 2008 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:54:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kevin, I just wrote up a reply to your question about the Ruston Hornsby, then deleted it when I found out I had been making an incorrect assumption. There is a report I have read about the completion of a batch of over 1200 engines for the army. Then I put 2 and 2 together and came up with 5! I though, if for the army, this would have been in the 1940-1945 era when imports were a problem. The problem with this is that Harris Scarfe & Sandovers only came into existence in 1947, as far as I can tell. What Peter said about starting at No.501 would fit with your engine having a number higher than 1200 odd. Peter, do you have any dates? Prior to the merger, Sandovers were building Chapman marine engines under licence. Eric From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Oct 29 14:49:19 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:49:19 EDT Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES Message-ID: In a message dated 10/29/2008 7:53:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, k_armstrong at arach.net.au writes: no3 International s/n w12109 The serial number says it is a 1916 Mogul model. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Oct 30 10:53:01 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 02:53:01 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Re Engine dates Message-ID: We might get more help [local that is] if this goes to TOMM 's Forum. However re dates ,no dates on anything i have.Only that this register was comenced April 1989. There are a lot of names and contacts from all over Australia,as a ''''document man'' would you like me to send you a copy? My father worked for.the hardware side of Sandovers .They had a large engineeering works where as you say they built Chapman Engines amongst many other things. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 29 22:28:17 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:28:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES In-Reply-To: <001501c93a0f$d170a270$7451e750$@net.au> References: <001501c93a0f$d170a270$7451e750$@net.au> Message-ID: <2FF0A8BDDE994817912FD51127D96F83@PML> Hi Steve, I have put a compiled dating list of R-T numbers from 1911 to 1970 on my site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/australnumbers.html This is compiled using various sources. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Patrick Do you have the info for dating Ronnie N's ? I have 5 that I can estimate the dates from a rally list, but no accurate method. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 5:42 To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] ENGINE DATES The Ronnie N would be around October 1938. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _____ Hello all, I have just aquired 4 engines that I need to know when they were made, info as per engine tags No 1 Austral Petrol Engine Pty Ltd Ballarat Ronaldson Bros & Tippet 3hp 14159 950 rpm type "N" no2 bhp type S.P.B. Nos 1675 revs per min 600/700 manufactured by Harris Scarfe & Sandovers Ltd Perth West Australia by arrangement with Ruston & Hornsby ltd Lincoln England no3 International s/n w12109 no4 unkown but could be a Simplicity s/n JJ 61704 3 hp any help will be appreciated Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Wed Oct 29 23:25:59 2008 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:25:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES In-Reply-To: <2FF0A8BDDE994817912FD51127D96F83@PML> References: <001501c93a0f$d170a270$7451e750$@net.au> <2FF0A8BDDE994817912FD51127D96F83@PML> Message-ID: <002301c93a58$637dc650$2a7952f0$@net.au> Thanks Patrick Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 15:28 To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] ENGINE DATES Hi Steve, I have put a compiled dating list of R-T numbers from 1911 to 1970 on my site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/australnumbers.html This is compiled using various sources. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Patrick Do you have the info for dating Ronnie N's ? I have 5 that I can estimate the dates from a rally list, but no accurate method. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 5:42 To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] ENGINE DATES The Ronnie N would be around October 1938. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _____ Hello all, I have just aquired 4 engines that I need to know when they were made, info as per engine tags No 1 Austral Petrol Engine Pty Ltd Ballarat Ronaldson Bros & Tippet 3hp 14159 950 rpm type "N" no2 bhp type S.P.B. Nos 1675 revs per min 600/700 manufactured by Harris Scarfe & Sandovers Ltd Perth West Australia by arrangement with Ruston & Hornsby ltd Lincoln England no3 International s/n w12109 no4 unkown but could be a Simplicity s/n JJ 61704 3 hp any help will be appreciated Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Oct 30 14:50:01 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:50:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New Jersey collectors Message-ID: <801F56F7-AE98-4886-9C51-7090386F5CDF@rustyiron.com> Anyone near Pemberton? Write me off list. Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Oct 30 16:32:48 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:32:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Jersey collectors In-Reply-To: <801F56F7-AE98-4886-9C51-7090386F5CDF@rustyiron.com> References: <801F56F7-AE98-4886-9C51-7090386F5CDF@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: On Oct 30, 2008, at 5:50 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > Anyone near Pemberton? > Rob Skinner Hi Rob, YES! Dave From christison at coastalnet.com Thu Oct 30 17:58:42 2008 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:58:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed Message-ID: <380-220081053105842748@coastalnet.com> Can any of our Aussie folks help out with an ID on the engine I have put on a page here? http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/queensland/ Thanks, Ken Christison Conway, NC http://www.flickr.com/photos/kenskritters From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Oct 30 18:19:32 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:19:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed References: <380-220081053105842748@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <9BA4E261D86442439EC7672ABEC0DDA1@tommydk7hxjr4h> Ken, Looking at the carb and ignition lets me know they have some old iron "engineers" like we do in the US. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: ; "stationary-engine" Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed > > > Can any of our Aussie folks help out with an ID on the engine I have > put on a page here? > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/queensland/ > > Thanks, > > Ken Christison > Conway, NC > http://www.flickr.com/photos/kenskritters > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1757 - Release Date: 10/30/2008 2:35 PM From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Oct 30 18:37:26 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (pml1 at bigpond.net.au) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:37:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed Message-ID: <3693575.1225417046417.JavaMail.root@nskntwebs03p> I am pretty sure it is a Capel. Patrick ---- Ken Christison wrote: > > > Can any of our Aussie folks help out with an ID on the engine I have > put on a page here? > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/queensland/ > > Thanks, > > Ken Christison > Conway, NC > http://www.flickr.com/photos/kenskritters > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From christison at coastalnet.com Thu Oct 30 18:39:21 2008 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:39:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed Message-ID: <380-220081053113921467@coastalnet.com> Tommy, I don't think the Yankees have a corner on the market in ingenuity;-) It is always interesting to see how folks "make do". Ken > [Original Message] > From: Judge Tommy Turner > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 10/30/2008 9:19:43 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine info needed > > Ken, > Looking at the carb and ignition lets me know they have some old iron > "engineers" like we do in the US. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Christison" > To: ; "stationary-engine" > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:58 PM > Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed > > > > > > > > Can any of our Aussie folks help out with an ID on the engine I have > > put on a page here? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/queensland/ > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ken Christison > > Conway, NC > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/kenskritters > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1757 - Release Date: 10/30/2008 > 2:35 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Fri Oct 31 04:46:59 2008 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:46:59 +0900 Subject: [SEL] [SPAM] Re Engine dates References: Message-ID: <21D5151B390B4DFAB7497B89D9A071E2@armstrong> thanks peter if you can send me a copy of names and contacts, it would be handy. regards Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 2:53 AM Subject: [SPAM] [SEL] Re Engine dates > We might get more help [local that is] if this goes to TOMM 's Forum. > However re dates ,no dates on anything i have.Only that this register was > comenced April 1989. > There are a lot of names and contacts from all over Australia,as a > ''''document man'' would you like me to send you a copy? > My father worked for.the hardware side of Sandovers .They had a large > engineeering works where as you say they built Chapman Engines amongst > many other things. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Oct 31 13:46:55 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 07:46:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: G'Day Eric found a picture of Harris Scarfe & Sandovers at Perth 1929 show, http://innopac.slwa.wa.gov.au/record=b1920903 spot what looks like a Hornsby side shaft in the second photo am starting to look into company to up date my Australian engine page (which I have been slack in working on) http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Austmakers.html >. The problem with this is > that Harris Scarfe & Sandovers only came into existence in 1947, as > far as I can tell. Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz From George_Best at adp.com Fri Oct 31 14:49:54 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:49:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908D09A3A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Looking at that 2nd picture from 1929 I couldn't help but notice that even back then they liked putting things behind fences! George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 1:47 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] ENGINE DATES G'Day Eric found a picture of Harris Scarfe & Sandovers at Perth 1929 show, http://innopac.slwa.wa.gov.au/record=b1920903 spot what looks like a Hornsby side shaft in the second photo am starting to look into company to up date my Australian engine page (which I have been slack in working on) http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Austmakers.html >. The problem with this is > that Harris Scarfe & Sandovers only came into existence in 1947, as > far as I can tell. Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Oct 31 15:18:57 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:18:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908D09A3A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908D09A3A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <2C97551B6CD349DB8FADF225AF1C6F40@KerryPC> G'Day George I did notice that when I posted it and did wonder if there would be a comment from the Americans ;-)) 1929 was the start of the great depression here so the company would have did it hard for the next 4 years. Kerry > Looking at that 2nd picture from 1929 I couldn't help but notice that > even back then they liked putting things behind fences! > > George > > > > G'Day Eric > > found a picture of Harris Scarfe & Sandovers at Perth 1929 show, > http://innopac.slwa.wa.gov.au/record=b1920903 > spot what looks like a Hornsby side shaft in the second photo > am starting to look into company to up date my Australian engine page > (which > I have been slack in working on) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Austmakers.html > > >>. The problem with this is >> that Harris Scarfe & Sandovers only came into existence in 1947, as >> far as I can tell. > > > Kerry > Lithgow NSW Oz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1759 - Release Date: 31/10/2008 4:10 PM From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Oct 31 16:25:40 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:25:40 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed In-Reply-To: <380-220081053105842748@coastalnet.com> References: <380-220081053105842748@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20001020001930.020b3780@ncable.com.au> Ken there was recently a Woolsley on ebay that seemed to very similar characteristics?? Russell At 11:58 AM 31/10/2008, you wrote: >Can any of our Aussie folks help out with an ID on the engine I have >put on a page here? >http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/queensland/ > >Thanks, > >Ken Christison >Conway, NC >http://www.flickr.com/photos/kenskritters > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Oct 31 16:53:45 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 10:53:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20001020001930.020b3780@ncable.com.au> References: <380-220081053105842748@coastalnet.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20001020001930.020b3780@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081101105119.023125f0@ncable.com.au> Wanting an answer to my PC troubles? If you look at my last reply here the date shows up as 10 OCT 2000?? I have reset the time again now but why would this happen ??M What kind of gremlins do I have. I have also tried to post a note re the Aussie national which just wont come through?? I have sent it three time over the past 4 or 5 days?? Sorry about the OT Russell At 12:20 AM 20/10/2000, you wrote: >Ken there was recently a Woolsley on ebay that seemed to very similar >characteristics?? >Russell > > >At 11:58 AM 31/10/2008, you wrote: > > > >Can any of our Aussie folks help out with an ID on the engine I have > >put on a page here? > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/queensland/ > > > >Thanks, > > > >Ken Christison > >Conway, NC > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/kenskritters > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Russell Gilbert >Sunny Sunraysia >russell at ncable.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From astfgl at iamnota.org Fri Oct 31 19:01:57 2008 From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:01:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081101105119.023125f0@ncable.com.au> References: <380-220081053105842748@coastalnet.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20001020001930.020b3780@ncable.com.au> <7.0.1.0.1.20081101105119.023125f0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <490BB895.4080605@iamnota.org> My reply attribution doesn't include your system date, but the headers in this, your latest message, indicate you've fixed the problem. BTW, it's been a while since I've seen Eudora! Cheers, glen. Russell Gilbert wrote: > Wanting an answer to my PC troubles? If you look at my last reply > here the date shows up as 10 OCT 2000?? I have reset the time again > now but why would this happen ??M What kind of gremlins do I have. I > have also tried to post a note re the Aussie national which just wont > come through?? I have sent it three time over the past 4 or 5 days?? > Sorry about the OT > Russell From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Oct 31 20:49:11 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:49:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed In-Reply-To: <490BB895.4080605@iamnota.org> References: <380-220081053105842748@coastalnet.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20001020001930.020b3780@ncable.com.au> <7.0.1.0.1.20081101105119.023125f0@ncable.com.au> <490BB895.4080605@iamnota.org> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081101144853.0232b6d8@ncable.com.au> G'day all; Is there any real interest in having the SEL gather in one area for the 2009 National?? I ask as I have just got off the phone to Alan Wheaton (from SA, not wagga) who has told me that all entries will be placed in club compounds. I, as a member of VMSOS could not go and jump into the compound with say some guys from Sydney! I will have my 6hp Campbell at the Rally along with two other Campbell engines. Brad Pit with his 4hp, and Mick Christie with his 2hp. (THE THREE OF US ARE ALL FROM DIFERENT CLUBS) We had the plan of putting the three engines together which would be quite a site. Alan said we would need to mark all entries as comming from the same club to get in the same compound?? So these guys would either have to say they are from our Mildura Club, or collectively we have enough interest to have an SEL compound?? So about time we heard from a number of you guys to actually voice what you want to do. Maybe you have already put your entries in for your own club area. I'm happy either way but would like to start having it planed out a bit. regards Russell PS: I would imagine? we would need at least a dozen SEL members to be given a voice/space at the rallyAt 01:01 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote: >My reply attribution doesn't include your system date, but the headers >in this, your latest message, indicate you've fixed the problem. > >BTW, it's been a while since I've seen Eudora! > >Cheers, glen. > >Russell Gilbert wrote: > > Wanting an answer to my PC troubles? If you look at my last reply > > here the date shows up as 10 OCT 2000?? I have reset the time again > > now but why would this happen ??M What kind of gremlins do I have. I > > have also tried to post a note re the Aussie national which just wont > > come through?? I have sent it three time over the past 4 or 5 days?? > > Sorry about the OT > > Russell >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Fri Oct 31 22:39:35 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:39:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed References: <380-220081053105842748@coastalnet.com><7.0.1.0.1.20001020001930.020b3780@ncable.com.au><7.0.1.0.1.20081101105119.023125f0@ncable.com.au><490BB895.4080605@iamnota.org> <7.0.1.0.1.20081101144853.0232b6d8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Russell.At the moment I am intending to go to the national but it looks like we are getting told what to do already.I for one want to be in a compound with my friends not my club.The way things go I would probably be on my own or with maybe a couple of engines only.I have never pre registered for a rally in my life and don't intend to start now .I just turn up and go where my friends are.Why do the organisers alway try to take the fun out of this hobby with stupid rules!!!!!!!.I would be interested in a SEL compound but if Mick and Brock etc are not interested no go. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine info needed > G'day all; Is there any real interest in having the SEL gather in one > area for the 2009 National?? I ask as I have just got off the phone > to Alan Wheaton (from SA, not wagga) who has told me that all entries > will be placed in club compounds. I, as a member of VMSOS could not > go and jump into the compound with say some guys from Sydney! > > I will have my 6hp Campbell at the Rally along with two other > Campbell engines. Brad Pit with his 4hp, and Mick Christie with his > 2hp. (THE THREE OF US ARE ALL FROM DIFERENT CLUBS) We had the plan of > putting the three engines together which would be quite a site. Alan > said we would need to mark all entries as comming from the same club > to get in the same compound?? So these guys would either have to say > they are from our Mildura Club, or collectively we have enough > interest to have an SEL compound?? > > So about time we heard from a number of you guys to actually voice > what you want to do. Maybe you have already put your entries in for > your own club area. I'm happy either way but would like to start > having it planed out a bit. > > regards Russell > > PS: I would imagine? we would need at least a dozen SEL members to be > given a voice/space at the rallyAt 01:01 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote: >>My reply attribution doesn't include your system date, but the headers >>in this, your latest message, indicate you've fixed the problem. >> >>BTW, it's been a while since I've seen Eudora! >> >>Cheers, glen. >> >>Russell Gilbert wrote: >> > Wanting an answer to my PC troubles? If you look at my last reply >> > here the date shows up as 10 OCT 2000?? I have reset the time again >> > now but why would this happen ??M What kind of gremlins do I have. I >> > have also tried to post a note re the Aussie national which just wont >> > come through?? I have sent it three time over the past 4 or 5 days?? >> > Sorry about the OT >> > Russell >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Wed Oct 1 00:36:08 2008 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:36:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <000b01c9234b$7a2b0990$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <000b01c9234b$7a2b0990$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: That is a nice piece of machinery.I have pulled alot of engines out of pump houses and left wonderful things like that for the scrap man. Would'nt do it now though! Thanks for sharing it. John> From: plowe at exemail.com.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:25:43 +1000> Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild> > Hi Dolly & Jim> > Of course this is engine related, what did we use these old engines for, > drivng great stuff like this.> When Jim gets tired of this pump, just crate it up and send it to the > collonies down under.> > Regards> Peter Lowe> R&V Engine Registrar> Australia> Ph: 61-266453455> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm> > > > > Hi Folks> >> > This is not strictly an old engine, but it certainly is interesting old> > iron. Jim bought a large deep well pump from a former list member,> > Roland Craven, about 8 years ago. Finally enough things moved in the> > garden to make space to rebuild it.> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/dando/dando.htm> > As garden ornaments go, it's a lot better than a gnome with a fishing rod!> >> > Dolly> >> > -- > > Jim French> > fbi at insulate.co.uk> > http://www.insulate.co.uk> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm> >> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Oct 1 04:15:07 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:15:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <000b01c9234b$7a2b0990$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <000b01c9234b$7a2b0990$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <1222859707.48e35bbb4bf40@webmail.city-net.com> Cool your jets Maytag Breath. I've got first dibs by virtue of helping Jim collect it in the first place. 8-)) When declared "surplus to requirements" THAT "Garden Gnome" will be going across the pond to the FORMER colonies. See ya, Arnie Quoting Peter Lowe : > Of course this is engine related, what did we use these old engines for, > drivng great stuff like this. > When Jim gets tired of this pump, just crate it up and send it to the > collonies down under. > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/dando/dando.htm > > As garden ornaments go, it's a lot better than a gnome with a fishing rod! From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 1 06:43:41 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:43:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] It's a scrap drive References: <006401c92364$16319620$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> Message-ID: <005e01c923cb$b7a92a60$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> All around good news , as many will agree . I see multiple loads of metal in my parking lot everyday as Fred and Lamont try to make it to the scrap yard "one more time " . I bet the scrappies havent dug this hard or this deep to get at it since WW2 . Anybody have some good scrap drive shots saved up ? Here's a before and after of that stolen locomotive from Ukrain . http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39901000/jpg/_39901737_beforeafter_300.jpg Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Oct 1 06:57:22 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:57:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] It's a scrap drive In-Reply-To: <005e01c923cb$b7a92a60$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <006401c92364$16319620$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> <005e01c923cb$b7a92a60$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <1222869442.48e381c2b8e18@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Chuck, There's one from WWII that I've seen that I'd like to find again. It shows a large dump truck and sticking up above the sides are clearly lots of spoked flywheels. It's enough to make you cry... If anyone knows where that pic might be found, please post it to the list. See ya, Arnie Quoting Chuck Balyeat : > All around good news , as many will agree . I see multiple loads of metal > in my parking lot everyday as Fred and Lamont try to make it to the scrap > yard "one more time " . > I bet the scrappies havent dug this hard or this deep to get at it since WW2. > > Anybody have some good scrap drive shots saved up ? From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 1 08:17:47 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:17:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] It's a scrap drive References: <006401c92364$16319620$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW><005e01c923cb$b7a92a60$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> <1222869442.48e381c2b8e18@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000d01c923d8$dd645ce0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > There's one from WWII that I've seen that I'd like to find again. > It shows a large dump truck and sticking up above the sides are clearly > lots of > spoked flywheels. It's enough to make you cry... > > If anyone knows where that pic might be found, please post it to the list. > > See ya, Arnie They used a lot of dynamite too . Often to no avail . c From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Oct 1 14:15:45 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:15:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Fine example of what went on the belt, Helen and Jim!! Also looks like a fine example of "loose wheel, tight wheel," in which if one wanted to stop the pump, you would slide the belt over to the loose wheel. We're just finishing up a big F-M piston pump which has this same feature. One would think that the loose wheel would have a greaser in the hub and not setscrews and the tight wheel would have setscrews which tightened on a flat spot on the shaft. I know a lot of these were cheated one way or another to make tight wheels out of both. So I guess I'm asking if there's any evidence of a greaser like a female pipe thread on the loose wheel for a greaser? Ours does have a collar which holds the loose wheel on. Both of ours have setscrews and evidence of being cheated. And was there a special tool to move the belt from one pulley to the other? Comments from all welcome. RickinMt. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/dando/dando.htm From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Oct 1 14:40:02 2008 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:40:02 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk> Hi Rick We call that a "fast and loose" pulley. Yes, there is a greaser on the loose pulley, and the fast pulley is keyed with a gib key and set screws. I can get photos of all that if it would help (I'd need Jim to point to the right bits for me!). Also, he says there IS a tool to move the belt, doesn't know the name of it, but he does have one from a flat-belt driven pillar drill which, again, we can get pics of for you. Regards, Dolly Richard Strobel wrote: > Fine example of what went on the belt, Helen and Jim!! Also looks like a > fine example of "loose wheel, tight wheel," in which if one wanted to stop > the pump, you would slide the belt over to the loose wheel. We're just > finishing up a big F-M piston pump which has this same feature. > One would think that the loose wheel would have a greaser in the hub and > not setscrews and the tight wheel would have setscrews which tightened on a > flat spot on the shaft. I know a lot of these were cheated one way or > another to make tight wheels out of both. > > So I guess I'm asking if there's any evidence of a greaser like a female > pipe thread on the loose wheel for a greaser? Ours does have a collar which > holds the loose wheel on. Both of ours have setscrews and evidence of being > cheated. > > And was there a special tool to move the belt from one pulley to the other? > > Comments from all welcome. > > RickinMt. > > > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/dando/dando.htm >> -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Oct 1 15:26:50 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:26:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk> References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <3DAC5918-49BA-40B9-8E21-2923E2E00183@rustyiron.com> On Oct 1, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Jim French wrote: > Also, he says there IS a tool to move the belt, doesn't know the > name of it, Hi Dolly, I have a variety of these tools that I store on the side of the garage. If you like, I can ship you one. Let me know your required specs. Here in the states, the common word that we use for these tools is "stick." Rob P.S. I'll be trimming the trees in January. That's the best time for getting fresh "sticks." From kosh at ncweb.com Wed Oct 1 15:26:25 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:26:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081001182547.03be3370@ncweb.com> Looks like a grease cup on the outer pulley in 11.jpg... Dave Merchant At 05:15 PM 10/1/2008, you wrote: >Fine example of what went on the belt, Helen and Jim!! Also looks like a >fine example of "loose wheel, tight wheel," in which if one wanted to stop >the pump, you would slide the belt over to the loose wheel. We're just >finishing up a big F-M piston pump which has this same feature. > One would think that the loose wheel would have a greaser in the hub and >not setscrews and the tight wheel would have setscrews which tightened on a >flat spot on the shaft. I know a lot of these were cheated one way or >another to make tight wheels out of both. > > So I guess I'm asking if there's any evidence of a greaser like a female >pipe thread on the loose wheel for a greaser? Ours does have a collar which >holds the loose wheel on. Both of ours have setscrews and evidence of being >cheated. > >And was there a special tool to move the belt from one pulley to the other? > >Comments from all welcome. > >RickinMt. > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/dando/dando.htm > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Oct 1 17:02:34 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:02:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <5.2.0.9.0.20081001182547.03be3370@ncweb.com> References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <5.2.0.9.0.20081001182547.03be3370@ncweb.com> Message-ID: Good eye Dave...thanks much. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Merchant" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild > Looks like a grease cup on the outer pulley in 11.jpg... > > Dave Merchant > > > At 05:15 PM 10/1/2008, you wrote: > >Fine example of what went on the belt, Helen and Jim!! Also looks like a > >fine example of "loose wheel, tight wheel," in which if one wanted to > >stop > >the pump, you would slide the belt over to the loose wheel. We're just > >finishing up a big F-M piston pump which has this same feature. > > One would think that the loose wheel would have a greaser in the hub > > and > >not setscrews and the tight wheel would have setscrews which tightened on > >a > >flat spot on the shaft. I know a lot of these were cheated one way or > >another to make tight wheels out of both. > > > > So I guess I'm asking if there's any evidence of a greaser like a > > female > >pipe thread on the loose wheel for a greaser? Ours does have a collar > >which > >holds the loose wheel on. Both of ours have setscrews and evidence of > >being > >cheated. > > > >And was there a special tool to move the belt from one pulley to the > >other? > > > >Comments from all welcome. > > > >RickinMt. > > > > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/dando/dando.htm > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Dave Merchant > kosh at nesys.com > nesys_com at ameritech.net > dmerchant at layerzero.com > > http://www.nesys.com > http://www.nesys.org > YouTube: SteamCrane > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Wed Oct 1 18:05:06 2008 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:05:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <3DAC5918-49BA-40B9-8E21-2923E2E00183@rustyiron.com> References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk> <3DAC5918-49BA-40B9-8E21-2923E2E00183@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <48E41E42.8070109@optusnet.com.au> Rob Skinner wrote: > On Oct 1, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Jim French wrote: > >> Also, he says there IS a tool to move the belt, doesn't know the >> name of it, >> > > Hi Dolly, > I have a variety of these tools that I store on the side of the > garage. If you like, I can ship you one. Let me know your required > specs. Here in the states, the common word that we use for these > tools is "stick." > > Rob > > === Don't know the name for a special tool, but with overhead lineshafting, the simple mechanism to shift the belt between fast/loose pulleys was called the "Striking Gear", which I suppose does describe a stick fairly well . . . JW? === From lfevans at pacbell.net Wed Oct 1 19:10:53 2008 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:10:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20081001190801.04e88ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> > >And was there a special tool to move the belt from one pulley to the other? Rick, Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/lineshaft/ls18.html for an example of a permanently mounted device for doing this on an overhead line shaft system. Larry Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Oct 1 19:15:21 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:15:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <48E41E42.8070109@optusnet.com.au> References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk> <3DAC5918-49BA-40B9-8E21-2923E2E00183@rustyiron.com> <48E41E42.8070109@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <48E42EB9.90705@rustic-engines.com> My "striking gear" or "stick" as made for use with my Moffat Virtue Bench Grinding Wheel. The pivot point for the lever can be seen at the base. > http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/stick.jpg Cheers, Al Harris Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Jack wrote: > Rob Skinner wrote: > >> On Oct 1, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Jim French wrote: >> >> >>> Also, he says there IS a tool to move the belt, doesn't know the >>> name of it, >>> >>> >> Hi Dolly, >> I have a variety of these tools that I store on the side of the >> garage. If you like, I can ship you one. Let me know your required >> specs. Here in the states, the common word that we use for these >> tools is "stick." >> >> Rob >> >> >> > === > Don't know the name for a special tool, but with overhead lineshafting, > the simple mechanism to shift the belt between fast/loose pulleys was > called the "Striking Gear", > which I suppose does describe a stick fairly well . . . > > JW? > === > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Thu Oct 2 06:32:56 2008 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 06:32:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20081001190801.04e88ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <6.0.1.1.2.20081001190801.04e88ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081002103301.C2C68228403@md5.pennswoods.net> Rick Larry all. I have never saw a line shaft set up [except photos] Where there is a pulley or mount did they have roller bearings on was it the pored babbitt bearings. thanks R Fink PA At 07:10 PM 10/1/2008 -0700, you wrote: > > > >And was there a special tool to move the belt from one pulley to the other? > >Rick, >Take a look at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/lineshaft/ls18.html >for an example of a permanently mounted device for doing this on an >overhead line shaft system. > >Larry > >Larry Evans >MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1698 - Release Date: >9/29/2008 7:25 PM From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Oct 2 03:49:16 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 06:49:16 EDT Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild Message-ID: In a message dated 10/1/2008 5:42:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fbi at insulate.co.uk writes: Also, he says there IS a tool to move the belt Helen, Great piece of equipment. I always assumed folks used a stick to move the belts on the pulley. Be nice to see the photo of the actual tool used to move them. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Oct 2 04:15:54 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:15:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild Message-ID: In a message dated 10/1/2008 10:22:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lfevans at pacbell.net writes: for an example of a permanently mounted device for doing this on an overhead line shaft system. Larry, And the loose ring on the shaft was to clean it of dirt accumulation, correct? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Oct 2 06:39:38 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:39:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk><3DAC5918-49BA-40B9-8E21-2923E2E00183@rustyiron.com> <48E41E42.8070109@optusnet.com.au> References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk><3DAC5918-49BA-40B9-8E21-2923E2E00183@rustyiron.com> <48E41E42.8070109@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: Don't know the name for a special tool, but with overhead lineshafting, the simple mechanism to shift the belt between fast/loose pulleys was called the "Striking Gear", which I suppose does describe a stick fairly well . . . JW? === Thanks Jack. Striking gear is a new term for me and googling it did bring some interesting results. I have seen various photo's of the old lineshafts and the associated levers which control the belts plus there was a machine shop in my hometown that had several overhead lineshafts when I was a kid. Course I never paid any attention then :-( For Helen and Jim...don't go to any trouble to find the pictures. I have seen the levers (striking gear) which engaged what I call the old post drills. Hopefully one of these days we will install a lineshaft in the back room of my shop where all the old iron is. We acquired one this past summer and now just need to find some good wood beams and come up with a classy looking structure. So far we have an ole metal lathe, post grinder, big drill, and am always looking for a trip hammer, course they are quite pricy now. Maybe someone has an instruction manual for an old pump that shows how to move the belt from one pulley to the other. I'm sure a stick would work fine as Rob mentioned and seeing as how I live out in the sticks, this would not pose a problem. But I'd almost bet someone came up with a gizmo just for that. Thanks gang...neat stuff!! RickinMt. From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Oct 2 07:26:19 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:26:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk><3DAC5918-49BA-40B9-8E21-2923E2E00183@rustyiron.com> <48E41E42.8070109@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <1222957579.48e4da0b17293@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Rick, Don't be so quick to dismiss Jim & Dolly's pics of "striking gear." IMHO, that might get pretty interesting if not downright kinky. 8->> See ya, Arnie Quoting Richard Strobel : > For Helen and Jim...don't go to any trouble to find the pictures. I have > seen the levers (striking gear) which engaged what I call the old post > drills. From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Oct 2 07:35:10 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:35:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild Message-ID: <20081002.104421.1328.9.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rich, If you ever get a chance to make one of the Northwest PA Steam Engine & Old Equipment shows, they have a real nice machine shop setup all run with a line shaft. They have a show this weekend Oct. 4th & 5th. Portersville Exit off I-79 www.portersvillesteamshow.homestead.com As for bearings in the idle pulleys: If any, they would be babbitt. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "You couldn't lick inflation if they made it an ice cream flavor." Rick Larry all. I have never saw a line shaft set up [except photos] Where there is a pulley or mount did they have roller bearings on was it the pored babbitt bearings. thanks R Fink PA ____________________________________________________________ Start providing for your family by becoming a paralegal. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nffOebaWO5qFRh0GrTrayHzeno3x6r1vBoVuRB3xaI6lrON/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Oct 2 08:34:02 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:34:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <20081002.104421.1328.9.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20081002.104421.1328.9.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <1222961642.48e4e9ea501e1@webmail.city-net.com> But if you're free this weekend a FAR better place to go is Apple & Arts in Delmont, PA. 8-)) Joe, are you going to Apple & Arts? See ya, Arnie Quoting "Joseph L. Betz" : > If you ever get a chance to make one of the Northwest PA Steam Engine & > Old Equipment shows, > they have a real nice machine shop setup all run with a line shaft. > They have a show this weekend Oct. 4th & 5th. > Portersville Exit off I-79 www.portersvillesteamshow.homestead.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Oct 2 08:34:18 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:34:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild References: <20081002.104421.1328.9.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <007901c924a4$5cb40d30$12b40556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L. Betz" To: Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild > Hi Rich, > If you ever get a chance to make one of the Northwest PA Steam Engine & > Old Equipment shows, > they have a real nice machine shop setup all run with a line shaft. > They have a show this weekend Oct. 4th & 5th. > Portersville Exit off I-79 www.portersvillesteamshow.homestead.com > As for bearings in the idle pulleys: If any, they would be babbitt. > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > Rick Larry all. I have never saw a line shaft set up [except photos] > Where there is a pulley or mount did they have roller bearings on was > it the pored babbitt bearings. > thanks > R Fink > PA When I was visiting all sorts of Engineering shops as a telephone engineer 45 years ago, lineshafting for the machine power was quite often used. The lubricators for the bearings were frequently of a different pattern to those used on engines. see http://www.steamengine.com.au/misc/lubrication/pics/shaft-oilers.jpg Thes are American but the British were of identical design. I think they gave a lower lubrication amount compared to the ventilated ones. Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From lfevans at pacbell.net Thu Oct 2 09:01:27 2008 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:01:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20081002085743.03a13788@pop.att.yahoo.com> Tom, As far as I know the rings on the shaft were just to keep them clean. This particular shop has a variety of ring on different sections of the shafting and they all seem to be piston rings from various engines. Also as far as I know the bearings are solid, not roller or ball bearings. Larry At 04:15 AM 10/2/2008, you wrote: > >In a message dated 10/1/2008 10:22:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >lfevans at pacbell.net writes: > >for an example of a permanently mounted device for doing this on an >overhead line shaft system. > > > >Larry, > >And the loose ring on the shaft was to clean it of dirt accumulation, >correct? > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. >germoamer at AOL.com > > > > >**************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial >challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips >and >calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From kosh at ncweb.com Thu Oct 2 09:05:19 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:05:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] [SPAM] Re: Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <1222961642.48e4e9ea501e1@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20081002.104421.1328.9.jlb94@juno.com> <20081002.104421.1328.9.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081002120245.046a4010@ncweb.com> We always go to Portersville. They have a long row of big oilfield and compressor station engines running, and a building full of running stationary steam engines. Dave Merchant At 11:34 AM 10/2/2008, you wrote: >But if you're free this weekend a FAR better place to go is Apple & Arts in >Delmont, PA. 8-)) > >Joe, are you going to Apple & Arts? > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting "Joseph L. Betz" : > > > If you ever get a chance to make one of the Northwest PA Steam Engine & > > Old Equipment shows, > > they have a real nice machine shop setup all run with a line shaft. > > They have a show this weekend Oct. 4th & 5th. > > Portersville Exit off I-79 www.portersvillesteamshow.homestead.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From blcksmth at wcnet.org Thu Oct 2 09:42:31 2008 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:42:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <48E41E42.8070109@optusnet.com.au> References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk><3DAC5918-49BA-40B9-8E21-2923E2E00183@rustyiron.com> <48E41E42.8070109@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <932D0B1EC0C948E29A56F53E93D9EA25@Eagle> I am in the process of putting together a lineshaft driven blacksmith shop driven by a 25hp Superior type C gas engine. Other than the engine, which right now is not running very well, the latest project is belting up a camel back drill press that had been converted to electric drive. The tight pulley / free pulley clutch was missing and I am in the process of making the pulleys and the belt shifting mechanism. The guide support for the shift rod is still there as is the lower jack shaft with step pulleys. I am using a split wooden pulley with a split steel bushing for the tight pulley and a one piece wooden pulley with delrin bushing for the free pulley. Some day I might get it finished. Bob Willman Bowling Green, Ohio The Eagle's Anvil WB8NQW -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:05 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild Rob Skinner wrote: > On Oct 1, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Jim French wrote: > >> Also, he says there IS a tool to move the belt, doesn't know the name >> of it, >> > > Hi Dolly, > I have a variety of these tools that I store on the side of the > garage. If you like, I can ship you one. Let me know your required > specs. Here in the states, the common word that we use for these > tools is "stick." > > Rob > > === Don't know the name for a special tool, but with overhead lineshafting, the simple mechanism to shift the belt between fast/loose pulleys was called the "Striking Gear", which I suppose does describe a stick fairly well . . . JW? === _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kosh at ncweb.com Thu Oct 2 10:55:53 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:55:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20081002085743.03a13788@pop.att.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081002134901.0287b7c0@ncweb.com> They also used to make rings out of thick paper like beer coaster material. The lineshaft shop at Henry Ford Museum used those the last time I was there. At the time, a few years ago, the Ford shop was manufacturing small marine engines for wooden boat aficiandos. When the shafts are running, the rings walk back + forth the length of the shaft between pillow blocks or pulleys. The shop at Portersville is small but interesting, you can get up close. Dave Merchant At 12:01 PM 10/2/2008, Larry Evans wrote: >Tom, >As far as I know the rings on the shaft were just to keep them clean. This >particular shop has a variety of ring on different sections of the shafting >and they all seem to be piston rings from various engines. > >Also as far as I know the bearings are solid, not roller or ball bearings. > >Larry > >At 04:15 AM 10/2/2008, you wrote: > > > >In a message dated 10/1/2008 10:22:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >lfevans at pacbell.net writes: > > > >for an example of a permanently mounted device for doing this on an > >overhead line shaft system. > > > > > > > >Larry, > > > >And the loose ring on the shaft was to clean it of dirt accumulation, > >correct? > > > >Tom Schmutz > >Concord, Va. > >germoamer at AOL.com > > > > > > > > > >**************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > >challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > >and > >calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Larry Evans >MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Oct 2 11:07:31 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:07:31 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. Message-ID: <62071.168.215.206.73.1222970851.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Guys, here is a page I put together on fun in the shop last night. The weather is finally cooling off and I played on the lathe until about 10:30 last evening trying my hand at making piston rings for a couple of friends who need some for their hit and miss engines. Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Oct 2 11:34:26 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:34:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <62071.168.215.206.73.1222970851.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Great site and work Curt. I need some 7 1/4", when do I place my order! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 2:08 PM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. Guys, here is a page I put together on fun in the shop last night. The weather is finally cooling off and I played on the lathe until about 10:30 last evening trying my hand at making piston rings for a couple of friends who need some for their hit and miss engines. Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Oct 2 12:03:08 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:03:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <62071.168.215.206.73.1222970851.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <62071.168.215.206.73.1222970851.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1222974188.48e51aeca80cd@webmail.city-net.com> Curt, Really nice work as usual. Say have you ever given any thought to making rare engines? Something along the lines of what John Burns is doing with the 4 hp Reid project. You've clearly got the design / CAD / pattern making skills and the machining skills. Pick a desirable engine or two (a York maybe); one that has gorgeous lines, interesting features (sideshaft, vertical FB gov,. etc.). Either sell the engines in advance or take a hefty deposit to avoid being killed by out-of-pocket costs. Something to think about to occupy your "free time." 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting curt at rustyiron.com: > Guys, here is a page I put together on fun in the shop last night. The > weather is finally cooling off and I played on the lathe until about 10:30 > last evening trying my hand at making piston rings for a couple of friends > who need some for their hit and miss engines. Hope you enjoy. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Oct 2 12:10:44 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:10:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk><3DAC5918-49BA-40B9-8E21-2923E2E00183@rustyiron.com><48E41E42.8070109@optusnet.com.au> <932D0B1EC0C948E29A56F53E93D9EA25@Eagle> Message-ID: <001c01c924c2$93054020$12b40556@intrepid> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Willman" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild I am in the process of putting together a lineshaft driven blacksmith shop driven by a 25hp Superior type C gas engine. Other than the engine, which right now is not running very well, the latest project is belting up a camel back drill press that had been converted to electric drive. The tight pulley / free pulley clutch was missing and I am in the process of making the pulleys and the belt shifting mechanism. The guide support for the shift rod is still there as is the lower jack shaft with step pulleys. I am using a split wooden pulley with a split steel bushing for the tight pulley and a one piece wooden pulley with delrin bushing for the free pulley. Some day I might get it finished. Bob Willman I just found 3 pictures I took 20 years ago in a cycle repair shop where the owner had just died. see http://s411.photobucket.com/albums/pp198/DaveCroft/?action=view¤t=overheadfastloose.jpg (First time I have tried using Photobucket so I hope it works)! I bought & resold all the drills etc. You can see how the lever moved two seperated rollers on pins to move the belt from side to side! Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From George_Best at adp.com Thu Oct 2 12:35:55 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:35:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <62071.168.215.206.73.1222970851.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> References: <62071.168.215.206.73.1222970851.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590879D130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Wow! I'm always impressed by how you tackle challenges and document what you do. One question. If you didn't have an old ring to measure, how would you determine the inside diameter for your new ring? George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:08 AM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. Guys, here is a page I put together on fun in the shop last night. The weather is finally cooling off and I played on the lathe until about 10:30 last evening trying my hand at making piston rings for a couple of friends who need some for their hit and miss engines. Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Oct 2 12:35:55 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:35:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] [SPAM] Re: Old Iron Rebuild Message-ID: <20081002.153557.832.7.jlb94@juno.com> Dave Merchant said: We always go to Portersville. Hey Dave, Come up to the Engine Field and introduce yourself. I hope to be there Sat & Sun if it don't get too cold. I don't plan on traveling heavy for this one. Maybe a Maytag Shotgun - Gramma's Pump - Some other small stuff. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "You couldn't lick inflation if they made it an ice cream flavor." ____________________________________________________________ Fashion Design Education - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oIaxZKfSqmG3YzUzWfAQ1JVTJ6ixlhyzXsBymbJFZJpgq81/ From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Oct 2 12:32:16 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:32:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild Message-ID: <20081002.153557.832.6.jlb94@juno.com> Sorry Arnie, Can't take my Dog ! Plus - - - It's on the same dates as Portersville. I like Delmont - - - Then they changed the dates trying to get better weather.. Gee - I don't think I've seen you this season.! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "You couldn't lick inflation if they made it an ice cream flavor." But if you're free this weekend a FAR better place to go is Apple & Arts in Delmont, PA. 8-)) Joe, are you going to Apple & Arts? See ya, Arnie ____________________________________________________________ Fashion Design Education - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oIayTTBhr8Lh5nMe0C2vCnVLDG05IbdD0GKGYgOVi45HAuZ/ From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Oct 2 12:24:55 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:24:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild Message-ID: <20081002.153557.832.5.jlb94@juno.com> Bob Willman said: I am in the process of putting together a lineshaft driven blacksmith shop driven by a 25hp Superior type C gas engine. = = = = = = = = = Hi Bob, It would be nice to see some pics of your progress. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "You couldn't lick inflation if they made it an ice cream flavor." ____________________________________________________________ Want a great salary and great benefits? Click here to start a criminal justice career. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nNLNGjUIUMmSzr5Hf3n2K9lycjx0eVxu2LQC007fq8UXdEh/ From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Oct 2 13:18:34 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:18:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590879D130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <375FEF7E5C6A48F68358C98D86BA1345@tommyd0x52gkco> George, wouldn't you simply measure the land (bottom) of the ring groove and that would give you the maximum internal diameter? You would then probably deduct 10 to 15 thousandths to prevent binding of the ring when it gets hot. Not sure this would be right but I don't know why it wouldn't work. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:36 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. Wow! I'm always impressed by how you tackle challenges and document what you do. One question. If you didn't have an old ring to measure, how would you determine the inside diameter for your new ring? George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of curt at rustyiron.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:08 AM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. Guys, here is a page I put together on fun in the shop last night. The weather is finally cooling off and I played on the lathe until about 10:30 last evening trying my hand at making piston rings for a couple of friends who need some for their hit and miss engines. Hope you enjoy. Curt Holland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Thu Oct 2 13:36:53 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:36:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <375FEF7E5C6A48F68358C98D86BA1345@tommyd0x52gkco> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590879D130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <375FEF7E5C6A48F68358C98D86BA1345@tommyd0x52gkco> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590879D2ED@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Tommy, Think you have that backwards. Measuring the "land" tells you the minimum internal ring diameter of the compressed ring, plus of course some clearance as you don't want the ring to bottom out against the land. The measurement I was wondering about is the internal diameter of the uncompressed ring. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Turner Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:19 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. George, wouldn't you simply measure the land (bottom) of the ring groove and that would give you the maximum internal diameter? You would then probably deduct 10 to 15 thousandths to prevent binding of the ring when it gets hot. Not sure this would be right but I don't know why it wouldn't work. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Oct 2 13:45:49 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:45:49 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590879D130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <62071.168.215.206.73.1222970851.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590879D130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <62089.168.215.206.73.1222980349.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> George, Eons ago I posted a couple of pages on making piston rings using the heat treat method to make the rings take on a new set. I opted not to try this method, but rather try the fully machined method. On the 2 pages posted are some guidelines about sizing the gap, etc. Here is the link. I have not checked to see if agrees with the old rings I was working to. The 2 piston diameters for this project were 5" and 4 3/4". The 5" rings had a 5/8" gap when relaxed and the 4 3/4" rings had a 1/2" gap when relaxed. I'd guess the gap goes down with smaller rings and up with larger rings. By measuring a range of rings some good guidelines could be developed. Then one can do a little Pi work and figure the blank ring ID needed to match up with a given ring groove diameter on a piston. I'd say you want .020 to .025 under the ring on each side, or .050 clearance total between the ID of the ring and the root of the ring groove for 5" rings. Maybe some folks have some smaller and larger pistons out of engines at the moment and they can tell us what the ring gaps are vs. the size of piston. It would be very useful information to chart. Curt > Wow! I'm always impressed by how you tackle challenges and document > what you do. > > One question. If you didn't have an old ring to measure, how would you > determine the inside diameter for your new ring? > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > curt at rustyiron.com > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:08 AM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. > > Guys, here is a page I put together on fun in the shop last night. The > weather is finally cooling off and I played on the lathe until about > 10:30 > last evening trying my hand at making piston rings for a couple of > friends > who need some for their hit and miss engines. Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > nails.html> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Oct 2 13:53:29 2008 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:53:29 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590879D2ED@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590879D130@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <375FEF7E5C6A48F68358C98D86BA1345@tommyd0x52gkco> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590879D2ED@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <62100.168.215.206.73.1222980809.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Tommy,George, I just replied to George on his question about predicting the ID of the blank ring to have the ID come out to the correct ID to work in the ring groove. Now I'm not so sure that you can increase the blank ring ID by the removed segment length/PI. Despite using wire to compress, I'm not convinced the entire hoop of the ring deflects evenly. Still have a couple of rings to turn for the smaller piston, so I'm going to make a point take a few measurements and report back. It could turn out to be simply that the smallest dimension on the ID oval is simple 1/2 the gap amount. In otherwords, if the gap is to be 1/2", the smallest oval dimension will be 1/4" less. But I'll measure and report back. Curt > Tommy, > > Think you have that backwards. Measuring the "land" tells you the > minimum internal ring diameter of the compressed ring, plus of course > some clearance as you don't want the ring to bottom out against the > land. > > The measurement I was wondering about is the internal diameter of the > uncompressed ring. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy > Turner > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:19 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. > > George, wouldn't you simply measure the land (bottom) of the ring groove > and that would give you the maximum internal diameter? You would then > probably deduct 10 to 15 thousandths to prevent binding of the ring when > it gets hot. Not sure this would be right but I don't know why it > wouldn't work. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Oct 2 14:16:24 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:16:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590879D2ED@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <13682F70FE894DDC8828031BD345C0A0@tommyd0x52gkco> Sorry George, I misunderstood your question. I see what your inquiry is now and we'll have to see how Curt recommends this. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:37 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. Tommy, Think you have that backwards. Measuring the "land" tells you the minimum internal ring diameter of the compressed ring, plus of course some clearance as you don't want the ring to bottom out against the land. The measurement I was wondering about is the internal diameter of the uncompressed ring. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Turner Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:19 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. George, wouldn't you simply measure the land (bottom) of the ring groove and that would give you the maximum internal diameter? You would then probably deduct 10 to 15 thousandths to prevent binding of the ring when it gets hot. Not sure this would be right but I don't know why it wouldn't work. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Thu Oct 2 19:12:49 2008 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:12:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <20081002.104421.1328.9.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20081002.104421.1328.9.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <20081002231253.D840022831F@md5.pennswoods.net> Thanks Joe and others that is what i thought being the age on line shafts. R Fink At 10:35 AM 10/2/2008 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Rich, >If you ever get a chance to make one of the Northwest PA Steam Engine & >Old Equipment shows, >they have a real nice machine shop setup all run with a line shaft. >They have a show this weekend Oct. 4th & 5th. >Portersville Exit off I-79 www.portersvillesteamshow.homestead.com > >As for bearings in the idle pulleys: If any, they would be babbitt. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) "You couldn't lick inflation if they made it an ice cream >flavor." > > > >Rick Larry all. I have never saw a line shaft set up [except photos] >Where there is a pulley or mount did they have roller bearings on was >it the pored babbitt bearings. >thanks >R Fink >PA >____________________________________________________________ >Start providing for your family by becoming a paralegal. Click Now. >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nffOebaWO5qFRh0GrTrayHzeno3x6r1vBoVuRB3xaI6lrON/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1703 - Release Date: >10/2/2008 7:46 AM From edurand at mchsi.com Thu Oct 2 17:52:03 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:52:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <62071.168.215.206.73.1222970851.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Curt: Thanks for the primer on making piston rings! Now I know. I think I'll buy piston rings, though. Sorta like re-inventing the wheel. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > curt at rustyiron.com > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 01:08 PM > To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. > > > Guys, here is a page I put together on fun in the > shop last night. The > weather is finally cooling off and I played on > the lathe until about 10:30 > last evening trying my hand at making piston > rings for a couple of friends > who need some for their hit and miss engines. > Hope you enjoy. > Curt Holland > From christison at coastalnet.com Thu Oct 2 17:14:10 2008 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:14:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild Message-ID: <380-22008105301410328@coastalnet.com> >As for bearings in the idle pulleys: If any, they would be babbitt. I don't know how early they were offered, but my T. B. Wood's and Sons catalog from 1927 offered Bronco Bronze, Plain Bronze, Bronze Graphite, and Ball Bearing loose pulleys. Ken From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Oct 2 18:29:01 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L. Betz) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:29:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bronze Bushings, Message-ID: <20081002.212901.992.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Ken, I guess I should've rephrased what I said about bushings on idle pulley's being Babbitt. I've never really examined pulleys that closely. As far as I can tell the two pulleys I have here have no bushings at all. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "You couldn't lick inflation if they made it an ice cream flavor." ____________________________________________________________ Click to become a master chef, own a restaurant and make millions. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m4pCZ4EY2aMxAUZtXmoJ5XmLcHXI42ruwZVVks4dBqVuhLH/ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 3 07:59:42 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:59:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk> <3DAC5918-49BA-40B9-8E21-2923E2E00183@rustyiron.com><48E41E42.8070109@optusnet.com.au> <48E42EB9.90705@rustic-engines.com> References: <48E29347.6030905@insulate.co.uk> <48E3EE32.4090202@insulate.co.uk> <3DAC5918-49BA-40B9-8E21-2923E2E00183@rustyiron.com><48E41E42.8070109@optusnet.com.au> <48E42EB9.90705@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: Thanks Al..that's the kind of gizmo that I'd expect to see. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Harris" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Iron Rebuild My "striking gear" or "stick" as made for use with my Moffat Virtue Bench Grinding Wheel. The pivot point for the lever can be seen at the base. > http://www.rustic-engines.com/media/pics/temp/stick.jpg Cheers, Al Harris Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Oct 3 10:12:38 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:12:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1223053958.48e652861a1ae@webmail.city-net.com> Ahhh, Elden, you must have skipped over the part where Curt said that his piston ring supplier was no longer providing rings under 8" dia. Quoting Elden DuRand : > Thanks for the primer on making piston rings! Now I know. > > I think I'll buy piston rings, though. Sorta like re-inventing the wheel. From edurand at mchsi.com Fri Oct 3 16:04:27 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 18:04:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <1223053958.48e652861a1ae@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Arnie: I SAW that. And, I know that Curt was up the creek unless he did it himself. Although I'd like to have an engine that takes nice big rings, that ain't a-gonna happen so I don't think I'll need to make any rings 'cause the sizes I use are easily obtainable. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > fero_ah at city-net.com > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 12:13 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. > > > Ahhh, Elden, you must have skipped over the part > where Curt said that his piston > ring supplier was no longer providing rings under 8" dia. > > Quoting Elden DuRand : > > > Thanks for the primer on making piston rings! > Now I know. > > > > I think I'll buy piston rings, though. Sorta > like re-inventing the wheel. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Oct 3 16:18:20 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:18:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0E2A8E41-3963-4F67-BC3D-9FF6711BD67E@rustyiron.com> On Oct 3, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Elden DuRand wrote: > I SAW that. And, I know that Curt was up the creek unless he did it > himself. > > Although I'd like to have an engine that takes nice big rings, that > ain't a-gonna happen so I don't think I'll need to make any rings > 'cause the sizes I use are easily obtainable. How about rings for your airport tug? From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Fri Oct 3 17:18:22 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:18:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. Message-ID: <23941195.144591223079502595.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web03-z02> Yeah, yeah, yeah... big piston rings? You ain't seen nuttin yet! How about some piston rings from a blooming mill engine. http://news.webshots.com/photo/2084882970033749120vQFRWq?vhost=news The Honda Civic is in the picture for scale. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. > > On Oct 3, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Elden DuRand wrote: >> I SAW that. And, I know that Curt was up the creek unless he did it >> himself. >> >> Although I'd like to have an engine that takes nice big rings, that >> ain't a-gonna happen so I don't think I'll need to make any rings >> 'cause the sizes I use are easily obtainable. > > How about rings for your airport tug? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kosh at ncweb.com Fri Oct 3 18:15:36 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:15:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] [SPAM] Re: Old Iron Rebuild In-Reply-To: <20081002.153557.832.7.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081003211247.04093be0@ncweb.com> Looked at you photos (good stuff), we've met a few times but didn't know it. Hopefully I can get away from work this weekend. Take a look at my website + youtube stuff. Dave Merchant http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane At 03:35 PM 10/2/2008, you wrote: >Dave Merchant said: >We always go to Portersville. > >Hey Dave, Come up to the Engine Field and introduce yourself. > >I hope to be there Sat & Sun if it don't get too cold. > >I don't plan on traveling heavy for this one. >Maybe a Maytag Shotgun - Gramma's Pump - Some other small stuff. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_o_) "You couldn't lick inflation if they made it an ice cream >flavor." >____________________________________________________________ >Fashion Design Education - Click Here! >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oIaxZKfSqmG3YzUzWfAQ1JVTJ6ixlhyzXsBymbJFZJpgq81/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Oct 4 07:28:49 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:28:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <0E2A8E41-3963-4F67-BC3D-9FF6711BD67E@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Rob: Got 'em (and the pistons) at Napa. Easy! Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Rob Skinner > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 06:18 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. > > > > On Oct 3, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Elden DuRand wrote: > > I SAW that. And, I know that Curt was up the > creek unless he did it > > himself. > > > > Although I'd like to have an engine that takes > nice big rings, that > > ain't a-gonna happen so I don't think I'll need > to make any rings > > 'cause the sizes I use are easily obtainable. > > How about rings for your airport tug? From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Oct 4 07:31:10 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:31:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. In-Reply-To: <23941195.144591223079502595.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web03-z02> Message-ID: Rick: I ain't a-gonna have an engine like that in this or any other lifetime. It's too bad you aren't interested in the big stuff! :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 07:18 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. > > > Yeah, yeah, yeah... big piston rings? You > ain't seen nuttin yet! > > How about some piston rings from a blooming mill engine. > > http://news.webshots.com/photo/2084882970033749120 > vQFRWq?vhost=news > > The Honda Civic is in the picture for scale. > > Rick From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Oct 4 13:31:40 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:31:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. Message-ID: In a message dated 10/3/2008 8:22:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com writes: How about some piston rings from a blooming mill engine. Wonder what the ring expander/compressor looks like? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Oct 4 17:46:29 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:46:29 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Heading around the world Message-ID: Our flights are all booked for a big end of year trip. We will arrive in London on 7th December for a three week stay in the UK. Hopefully we will be able to catch up with a few engine people while we are there and see some engines as well. We will be in the London area for a week or so but will then be heading north to spend Christmas with my girlfriends family in North Yorkshire (where I think it may be a little colder than I am used to). Between Christmas and New Year we will be in Paris but we will be spending the New Year in New York. We arrive in San Francisco on the 3rd of January and then we will be in LA from the 6th to the 9th. It will be a busy trip but hopefully I will be able to catch up with some of you along the way :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Oct 4 21:54:09 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:54:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] STOLEN ENGINE Message-ID: Yesterday afternoon (Saturday 4th Oct) the model Star was stolen from Temora Museum. Please keep an eye out for this valuable item from the museum's collection. I took these pics in 2003. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/temmus03/DSCF0039.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/temmus03/DSCF0038.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 02:46:35 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:46:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum Message-ID: <6f6025160810050246y3de0b8e3y9655e6faaf11e531@mail.gmail.com> We spent a few hours at the Anson Engine Museum back on the 10th August, and have just got around to getting them up on the websites. There are 116 pictures, the captions need a few corrections but generally they're OK. Our main websites now have a Trip / Rally / Visit section at the top of the main pages, plus a link to the Trip Menu page which saves a lot of scrolling down the page to find the existing one (which remains in place) The big switchboard that we saved from the Kendoon Hydro-Electric power station in Scotland has been reassembled at the Anson, and is alongside the Mirrlees Bickerton & Day 50hp engine. We hope to be up there on Thursday for a special presentation and will try and get some pictures then. We will also check up on a few of the engines we photographed before to make sure that we have full and correct details on the captions. There is a small picture of the switchboard, next to the 50hp engine on the Anson website at: http://enginemuseum.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=27&pos=0 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com Sun Oct 5 05:52:01 2008 From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:52:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. References: Message-ID: <002801c926e9$29052bd0$0201a8c0@PC126411058289> This is what it looks like: http://news.webshots.com/photo/2859441980033749120wFcEFE?vhost=news This is for the HP rings. The rings consist of an outer iron ring and an inner stainless steel spring. Both are compressed and placed into this fixture. The fixture is then placed in the counterbore and affixed in place with set screws. You can see the set screw tabs in the pic. The ring is then pushed out of the fixture and into the bore and up against the piston. The pistons were multiple part construction with followers which bolted on the piston to hold the rings in place. The LP rings are in three segments and are just manhandled into the bore and onto the piston. Then small leaf springs are individually placed between the ring and piston. Then the follower is put on after the springs are in. Some year I'll bring this stuff to Coolspring and show it off. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. > > In a message dated 10/3/2008 8:22:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com writes: > > How about some piston rings from a blooming mill engine. > > > Wonder what the ring expander/compressor looks like? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > > > > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your > destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Oct 5 06:09:51 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:09:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Piston Rings and old engines. Message-ID: In a message dated 10/5/2008 9:02:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com writes: The rings consist of an outer iron ring and an inner stainless steel spring. Giant compressor for giant rings! Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From edurand at mchsi.com Sun Oct 5 07:57:09 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:57:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] STOLEN ENGINE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Patrick: May the person who stole the engine be caught, the engine recovered in good condition and the perp should have an unfortunate accident on the way to the courtroom. Oh, yes - have a great trip........Just remember to behave in S.F. and be politically correct at all times. :-) Take care - Elden > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick M > Livingstone > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 11:54 PM > To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary > Engine Mailing List > Subject: [SEL] STOLEN ENGINE > > > Yesterday afternoon (Saturday 4th Oct) the model > Star was stolen from Temora > Museum. Please keep an eye out for this valuable > item from the museum's > collection. > I took these pics in 2003. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/temmus03/DSCF0039.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/temmus03/DSCF0038.JPG > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com Sun Oct 5 09:18:38 2008 From: ottoslidevalve at hotmail.com (john palmer) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:18:38 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Heading around the world In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Patrick,If you are coming to the west,come see me. John> From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:46:29 +1100> Subject: [SEL] OT: Heading around the world> > Our flights are all booked for a big end of year trip. We will arrive in> London on 7th December for a three week stay in the UK. Hopefully we will be> able to catch up with a few engine people while we are there and see some> engines as well. We will be in the London area for a week or so but will> then be heading north to spend Christmas with my girlfriends family in North> Yorkshire (where I think it may be a little colder than I am used to).> Between Christmas and New Year we will be in Paris but we will be spending> the New Year in New York.> We arrive in San Francisco on the 3rd of January and then we will be in LA> from the 6th to the 9th. It will be a busy trip but hopefully I will be able> to catch up with some of you along the way :)> > Patrick M Livingstone> Leichhardt NSW> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From obise at moscow.com Sun Oct 5 09:53:51 2008 From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:53:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] STOLEN ENGINE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200810051654.m95GrwYv092624@mail-gw.fsr.net> When the thief realizes this engine is rare and it cannot be shown or sold, I'm afraid he'll attempt to destroy the evidence, rather than be caught with it. Orrin Iseminger Colton, Washington, USA http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm So many projects. So little time. -----Original Message----- From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 9:54 PM To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List Subject: STOLEN ENGINE Yesterday afternoon (Saturday 4th Oct) the model Star was stolen from Temora Museum. Please keep an eye out for this valuable item from the museum's collection. I took these pics in 2003. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/temmus03/DSCF0039.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/temmus03/DSCF0038.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Oct 6 15:56:34 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 15:56:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT. Cruise pictures Message-ID: <20081006.155635.992.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Just got late Thursday night from a 14 day cruse from LA through the Panama Canal and ended at Fort Lauderdale Fla. I have over 300 pictures up, not many captions yet. If you are interested: they start here. http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/PanamaCruise#5253330705967964786 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ Click for information on obtaining a VA loan. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3mWy9c0D0PJmBr7guyjFxRhtfO8Wx727g6iBUM3Pie6dtr/ From gremaux at midrivers.com Mon Oct 6 16:26:42 2008 From: gremaux at midrivers.com (Frank) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:26:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] chairity auction Message-ID: <830D2C6A07F44DA893A9416EE83832BE@FrankPC> some time back at the charity auction I bought a laser cut lettered board for one of my tractors and would like to get in touch with the guy that made it ........ only think I can remember is his first name I think was Ron and he was a shop teacher from California is he on this list today ? thanks in advance for the help Frank gremaux at midrivers.com There is no place like 127.0.0.1 From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Oct 6 17:57:54 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:57:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures Message-ID: <20081007005754.7CAAB44482B@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi this is kinda on topic. I need to take some high resolution pictures of an ignitor and name tags for reproduction. My early cheep digetal camera can't produce the necessary quality. Anyone have any suggestions for an upgrade. I need something user friendly. Thanks for any suggestions pro or con. Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From b2 at chooka.net Mon Oct 6 18:49:43 2008 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:49:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] chairity auction In-Reply-To: <830D2C6A07F44DA893A9416EE83832BE@FrankPC> References: <830D2C6A07F44DA893A9416EE83832BE@FrankPC> Message-ID: I think the name is Ron Haskell, Frank. I bought custom battery boxes that Ron donated to the charity auction for 3 consecutive years, and they are very, very nice work. I'm not finding further contact info that I kept but I see Ron's posts on the list from time to time. B? Bill Brueck Chatfield, Minnesota, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 6:27 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] chairity auction some time back at the charity auction I bought a laser cut lettered board for one of my tractors and would like to get in touch with the guy that made it ........ only think I can remember is his first name I think was Ron and he was a shop teacher from California is he on this list today ? thanks in advance for the help Frank gremaux at midrivers.com There is no place like 127.0.0.1 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Oct 6 19:18:00 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:18:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] chairity auction In-Reply-To: References: <830D2C6A07F44DA893A9416EE83832BE@FrankPC> Message-ID: On Oct 6, 2008, at 6:49 PM, Bill Brueck wrote: > I think the name is Ron Haskell, Frank. I bought custom battery > boxes that > Ron donated to the charity auction for 3 consecutive years, and they > are > very, very nice work. > > I'm not finding further contact info that I kept but I see Ron's > posts on > the list from time to time. rdhaskell at juno.com From falcon at telenet.net Mon Oct 6 19:21:00 2008 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:21:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <20081007005754.7CAAB44482B@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20081007005754.7CAAB44482B@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <48EAC78C.3060906@telenet.net> Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Hi this is kinda on topic. I need to take some high resolution pictures of > an ignitor and name tags for reproduction. My early cheep digetal camera > can't produce the necessary quality. Anyone have any suggestions for an > upgrade. I need something user friendly. Thanks for any suggestions pro or > con. Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan > Go get one of the cheap film cameras. unlimited resolution. Take the film in and have them make a digital copy. Or head to your local Wal~Mart and see what they have in closeouts in the 5-7MP area... For ease of use the HP units are pretty good. My personal unit is a Fuji S5000 It's a couple years old, but it has a 10X optical zoom and it takes 4AA batteries instead of the custom rechargeables many use. That can be a BIG benefit at a large show or event. Just pop in new batteries and your ready to go. It uses xD cards and can do short video clips as well. It has taken a beating and keeps going. If I was looking for a newer camera now. I would probably get a Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ18. Larger zoom and better sensor than the new Fuji. -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 23:28:42 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:28:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <20081007005754.7CAAB44482B@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20081007005754.7CAAB44482B@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160810062328n69239750t193e4c3a76530020@mail.gmail.com> On 07/10/2008, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Hi this is kinda on topic. I need to take some high resolution pictures of > an ignitor and name tags for reproduction. My early cheep digetal camera > can't produce the necessary quality. Anyone have any suggestions for an > upgrade. I need something user friendly. Thanks for any suggestions pro or > con. Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236 > Jim O'Hagan Jim: Every one of the Sony cameras that we have has a Macro facility that is excellent to use. Go to: http://www.steves-digicams.com/hardware_reviews.html That will give you the main drop-down menu for all the reviews by manufacturer. The best all-round one we have is the Sony DSC-F717, but there are many in the Cyber-Shot range, and of course there are other makes as well. All of our website digital pictures have been taken on Sony cameras. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From edurand at mchsi.com Tue Oct 7 07:52:40 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:52:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <6f6025160810062328n69239750t193e4c3a76530020@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Guys: It all depends on just how much resolution you need. I would like to get one of the newer high pixel count SLR cameras so I can use my bayonet 35mm film SLR lenses with but the cost is still a bit high for me to justify the purchase. Right now, I'm using an older Sony Mavica MVC-FD100 (1.2 megapixel) and it does a credible job. It'll even do pretty good macro as long as you remember to zoom all the way out and sometimes fake-out the auto focus function, which I find to be one of the less than ideal things about this camera. If you want examples, go to my website below and look at the photos on The Homebrew Engine. I've embedded full resolution photos (most only slightly 'doctored') behind every "front" lower resolution photo. Just click on the front photo to get the images at the camera's maximum (and slightly doctored) resolution. Note that this is not an ad for Sony. Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 01:29 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] engine pictures > > > On 07/10/2008, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > > Hi this is kinda on topic. I need to take some > high resolution pictures of > > an ignitor and name tags for reproduction. My > early cheep digetal camera > > can't produce the necessary quality. Anyone > have any suggestions for an > > upgrade. I need something user friendly. Thanks > for any suggestions pro or > > con. Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236 > > Jim O'Hagan > > Jim: > > Every one of the Sony cameras that we have has a > Macro facility that > is excellent to use. > > Go to: > > http://www.steves-digicams.com/hardware_reviews.html > > That will give you the main drop-down menu for > all the reviews by manufacturer. > > The best all-round one we have is the Sony > DSC-F717, but there are > many in the Cyber-Shot range, and of course there > are other makes as > well. > > All of our website digital pictures have been > taken on Sony cameras. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 07:14:37 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:14:37 +0100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160810062328n69239750t193e4c3a76530020@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160810070714p7f6d7556qdeb78f1de5a3ffca@mail.gmail.com> On 07/10/2008, Elden DuRand wrote: > Guys: > > Right now, I'm using an older Sony Mavica MVC-FD100 (1.2 megapixel) and it > does a credible job. > That's what I use at the factory, had the big advantage over the earlier Mavicas of having a Memory Stick slot. Same comments go for the FD200. We still have six or seven of the early Mavica cameras, all working and all get used occasionally. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Oct 7 11:59:47 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:59:47 +0200 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081007184103.00c54aa0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 07/10/2008, you wrote: >Message: 3 >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:57:54 -0700 >From: "Jim O'Hagan" >Subject: [SEL] engine pictures >. > >Hi this is kinda on topic. I need to take some high resolution pictures of >an ignitor and name tags for reproduction. My early cheep digetal camera >can't produce the necessary quality. Anyone have any suggestions for an >upgrade. I need something user friendly. Thanks for any suggestions pro or >con. Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236 >Jim O'Hagan Hi Jim, That's a hard question to give a definitive answer to. There are so many good cameras out there now and the price keeps getting better. I disagree with the suggestion that you should buy a cheap film camera and have digital prints made. Film is slowly disappearing off the market as digital gets better - cheap film camera's are just that -cheap. Film is also expensive. The advantages of digital to the average (I assume, you and I) guy who just wants some good quality pictures are just so much greater than film. Also so much cheaper - take a bad shot !! Just hit the delete button. Film costs you money to discover that the shot was bad. 35mm film has 36 shots per roll of film ($$) digitals allow you to take 100's of pics and sit at your computer later and delete the bad ones - practically no cost involved. (You can also use software to improve them - with film you need darkroom facilities and equipment to do this.) Choosing a new camera is a very personal thing and depends so much on what YOU are looking for. Some of the questions you have to ask yourself are: 1) Are you a serious photographer and do you want total control over your pics - as in setting aperture / shutter speed, focus etc. yourself or do you just want to take good average pics for your own enjoyment. If you answer to the latter - look for one that has good results from the "Automatic" setting (most of them do today). Point 'n shoot is for the likes of us . More serious photographers (may I mention some of Ken Christisen's macro work) prefer more manual control and are prepared to pay much more for their equipment but the "learning curve" to use it to it's maximum capability is quite steep. 2) Something very important with digital camera's is "battery life". Some of them really "chew" batteries. Do not go for anything that uses "proprietary" battery packs - they're expensive. Rechargeable penlights (AA) work well for me. They're not expensive and you can also buy normal AA batteries almost anywhere if your rechargeable batteries run flat. I once bought an HP digital but returned it within the 7 day "cooling off" period - darn thing only took about 15 shots per set of batteries. Remember also that the more you use the zoom feature and the flash the more battery power it will use up. 3) Do you want to use flash - check that the flash is strong enough -it used to be called the flash "Guide Number" but I do not see the term used often these days. Most camera's these days do have "flash" but some of them are only strong enough to be of any use if the subject is really close to the camera. The HP I tried was not effective on anything further than about 2 yards away - you will not get a well exposed picture of a group of people sitting at a longish table. The easiest way to check this is to take a flash pic of something like a shed full of engines with the lights off - focus on the "middle distance" and then look at the pic on your computer. You will be able to see how far the flash reached effectively. 4) Zoom- digital zoom is usually terrible - go for the best "optical" zoom you can afford. Most of the better digital camera's these days have lenses made by well known "Optical - manufacturers". eg. my "older" Sony Digital Video camera has a Carl Zeiss lens. (It was one of the early digital video cameras and is already well past it's "sell by date"). 5) "Macro Photography". It's a great feature if you are a "serious photographer" but most of us will have very little use for this. If you are like Ken (again) and enjoy photographing things like "bugs" and extreme close-ups of tiny flowers and the like then you'll love "macro" but will have to spend a lot more money than the average digital offers these days to get results like Ken's. You mentioned a need to photograph engine plates (I know why) and governor parts - you do not need "macro" for this. Remember that your "depth of field" (that is the distance between parts of the subject that are in focus) is very short with "macro" lenses and your focus needs to be "spot -on". (Of course this also depends on the available light & movement which also governs your aperture / speed setting but lets not go there right now). As an example, if you tried to photograph a governor gear "end on" using the macro setting only one part of the gear would be in focus - the rest would be blurred. You would get a better result using a normal lens setting and holding the camera a bit further back (as near as it can focus). I use a Fuji Finepix 5500 (as someone else mentioned) and cannot praise this camera enough. It is also well past it's "sell by date" - I've had it since 2004 but I considered it "ahead of it's time" then. The current replacement costs about 25% of the price (include inflation and it's more like 10%). The reasons I chose it were: i) It was developed in conjunction with NIKON. ii) It has a 10 times optical zoom feature. iii) It does not "chew" batteries. I use the zoom feature for practically every picture I take and also make a lot of use of the flash (it even has a "force flash" feature - for those daylight pics that you want to use flash as a "fill in"). I have taken over 200 pictures on a standard set of (Duracell) batteries with it at it's highest resolution. iv) It is a "Single Lens Reflex" (SLR) camera - this means that you look through the actual lens that is going to take the photo - great for composing your shot - "what you see is what you get" - this is a great help for close-ups. It also has a digital screen at the back if you prefer this but then you look just like all those guys at shows who hold the camera above their head and "squint' to see the screen :-) v) It looks like a camera - not a cellular phone :-) I cannot afford the latest one yet but, when I can, I will certainly look at the latest FUJI Finepix available here at present for the rough equivalent of US$ 200.00. Another reason why not to go the "film" route. I have a Nikon (my 4th Nikon) with lenses and accessories, bought late 1998 for the (then) equivalent of US$ 7500.00. I discovered digital at about the same time - result is that the Nikon has only had 3 rolls of film through it! It's destined to become just another "collectors piece". (No, it's not for sale.) O.K. That's my bit. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 14:36:09 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:36:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081007184103.00c54aa0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081007184103.00c54aa0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6f6025160810071436yd1f85fandc3b8a1478c9e7b9@mail.gmail.com> On 07/10/2008, Jerry Evans wrote: > 2) Something very important with digital camera's is "battery > life". Some of them really "chew" batteries. Do not go for anything that > uses "proprietary" battery packs - they're expensive. Rechargeable > penlights (AA) work well for me. They're not expensive and you can also buy > normal AA batteries almost anywhere if your rechargeable batteries run > flat. I once bought an HP digital but returned it within the 7 day "cooling > off" period - darn thing only took about 15 shots per set of batteries. > Remember also that the more you use the zoom feature and the flash the more > battery power it will use up. Have to disagree strongly with that, Jerry. Sony Infolithium gives a running battery life total in the battery viewfinder, and if you buy the accessory dual Sony chargers, they also give 'battery life' and 'time to charge' figures as well. Look up Sony AC-SQ950 for the M series battery charger as an example. At Buckley & Portland we were getting 300+ shots out of one battery charge, and although I carried a spare battery with me, I never had to change it all day. We recharged each night obviously. My son on the other hand is always complaining that his Fuji always runs out of battery power when he is least expecting it! He has tried the high capacity NiMH batteries too, but gets little warning of when they are going to go down on him. We are biased towards Sony as we have a lot of their kit, but with something like 16000 images taken over the past 6 years or so, we have established a track record with Sony product that we think is hard to beat. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 16:20:46 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081007184103.00c54aa0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <598653.40812.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jerry, "a cheap film camera and have digital prints made" This statement means a one time use $3.00 to $4.00 sealed 35MM camera that usually will take 27 pictures. I saw some that were less than two bucks, but you have to make sure they have a flash at that price. If you know when to use the flash and when not to you can take good pictures with it. When you take it back to walmart you can get a $1.99 CD with all of the pictures on it. You go home and shove that Cd into your computer and work on those pictures just like the ones we take with digital cameras. It is a good deal if you are not ready to buy that digital camera right then. Alan in Michigan --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Jerry Evans wrote: > > Hi Jim, > That's a hard question to give a definitive > answer to. There are > so many good cameras out there now and the price keeps > getting better. > > I disagree with the suggestion that you should buy > a cheap film > camera and have digital prints made. Film is slowly > disappearing off the > market as digital gets better - cheap film camera's are > just that -cheap. > Film is also expensive. The advantages of digital to the > average (I assume, > you and I) guy who just wants some good quality pictures > are just so much > greater than film. Also so much cheaper - take a bad shot > !! Just hit the > delete button. Film costs you money to discover that the > shot was bad. 35mm > film has 36 shots per roll of film ($$) digitals allow you > to take 100's of > pics and sit at your computer later and delete the bad ones > - practically > no cost involved. (You can also use software to improve > them - with film > you need darkroom facilities and equipment to do this.) From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Oct 7 16:45:48 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:45:48 +1100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures - Sony cameras References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081007184103.00c54aa0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <6f6025160810071436yd1f85fandc3b8a1478c9e7b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901c928d6$d2ff7840$0200a8c0@PETER> I was also very impressed with the Sony, Helen French has one and it takes magnificent photos for the price. I think Helen's is a Sony DSC-H5, these have a 3" display which is great, she will correct me if I am wrong !! http://cgi.ebay.com.au/SONY-DSC-H5-DIGITAL-CAMERA-CYBERSHOT-CASE-2-x-8GB-MS_W0QQitemZ200260448828QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item200260448828&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Depends how much you want to spend. This link below is the Sony DSC-H9 a later version, but there are so many to choose from. I am in the market for a new camera and will get a Sony, just watching prices. http://www.shoppingsafari.com.au/p_1266_81MP_30_LCD_SONY_CYBERSHOT_DSCH9_BLACK My choice goes on how the batteries are charged, the mega-pixels, the LCD screen size on the back, and the Carl Zeiss optical zoom magnification. The battery life is greatly reduced if you leave the screen on while your are looking around, the LCD display chews up battery life. If you are using removable re-chargeable batteries then battery brands are chalk and cheese. Some are absolute rubbish and others great. Do your homework. My $0.02 worth Peter, Oz From plb at iinet.net.au Tue Oct 7 17:06:33 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:06:33 +0800 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <6f6025160810071436yd1f85fandc3b8a1478c9e7b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081007184103.00c54aa0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <6f6025160810071436yd1f85fandc3b8a1478c9e7b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c928d9$ba20dd20$2e629760$@net.au> I have got to agree with Peter about Sony's. We are currently using a H9. They have all the features and take all the hard work out of photography.Battery life is not a problem,we just come back from a week of travelling and used the camera every day and charged it once.Its interesting that although we are not really photographers people with a lot more expensive camera's and into it a lot more than we are wonder at our pictures and don't really believe us when we say its set on auto and we point and push the button. Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2008 5:36 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] engine pictures On 07/10/2008, Jerry Evans wrote: > 2) Something very important with digital camera's is "battery > life". Some of them really "chew" batteries. Do not go for anything that > uses "proprietary" battery packs - they're expensive. Rechargeable > penlights (AA) work well for me. They're not expensive and you can also buy > normal AA batteries almost anywhere if your rechargeable batteries run > flat. I once bought an HP digital but returned it within the 7 day "cooling > off" period - darn thing only took about 15 shots per set of batteries. > Remember also that the more you use the zoom feature and the flash the more > battery power it will use up. Have to disagree strongly with that, Jerry. Sony Infolithium gives a running battery life total in the battery viewfinder, and if you buy the accessory dual Sony chargers, they also give 'battery life' and 'time to charge' figures as well. Look up Sony AC-SQ950 for the M series battery charger as an example. At Buckley & Portland we were getting 300+ shots out of one battery charge, and although I carried a spare battery with me, I never had to change it all day. We recharged each night obviously. My son on the other hand is always complaining that his Fuji always runs out of battery power when he is least expecting it! He has tried the high capacity NiMH batteries too, but gets little warning of when they are going to go down on him. We are biased towards Sony as we have a lot of their kit, but with something like 16000 images taken over the past 6 years or so, we have established a track record with Sony product that we think is hard to beat. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Oct 7 17:39:20 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:39:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral Register Update Message-ID: A quick update for those Austral fans out there. I have now moved my datatbase from Microsoft Access on my PC to Filemaker Pro on my Macbook Pro. This makes it much easier and quicker to manage and also portable so I can update and look things up on the run. Not everything is on the computer yet but I am working on it. Recently I was generously given a copy of the Qld shipping records of Ronaldson-Tippett. This has been an enormous boost to the research as I can now give the date and location of delivery of Qld sold engines. I am slowly going through this as the layout is very difficult to follow but it is very helpful. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 23:02:22 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:02:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <000001c928d9$ba20dd20$2e629760$@net.au> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081007184103.00c54aa0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <6f6025160810071436yd1f85fandc3b8a1478c9e7b9@mail.gmail.com> <000001c928d9$ba20dd20$2e629760$@net.au> Message-ID: <6f6025160810072302x3f1f6124m89f850f87c8bf15d@mail.gmail.com> On 08/10/2008, Ray Freeman wrote: > I have got to agree with Peter about Sony's. We are currently using a H9. > They have all the features and take all the hard work out of > photography.Battery life is not a problem,we just come back from a week of > travelling and used the camera every day and charged it once.Its interesting > that although we are not really photographers people with a lot more > expensive camera's and into it a lot more than we are wonder at our pictures > and don't really believe us when we say its set on auto and we point and > push the button. > Ray Freeman We'll be in SFO next week for Rita's 60th birthday present. I'll be looking out for some lens filters while there, want to get a polarizing filter and a UV filter, 58mm fitting. I've got a list of camera shops in the city, but we also have a couple down in San Jose to look at. I don't know if Fry's Electronics sell anything in that line, but we will be calling there for a new HDD and possibly a motherboard/CPU. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Oct 8 03:34:21 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:34:21 +1100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081007184103.00c54aa0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><6f6025160810071436yd1f85fandc3b8a1478c9e7b9@mail.gmail.com><000001c928d9$ba20dd20$2e629760$@net.au> <6f6025160810072302x3f1f6124m89f850f87c8bf15d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000501c92931$6d857950$0200a8c0@PETER> > On 08/10/2008, Ray Freeman wrote: >> I have got to agree with Peter about Sony's. We are currently using a H9. >> They have all the features and take all the hard work out of >> photography.Battery life is not a problem,we just come back from a week >> of >> travelling and used the camera every day and charged it once.Its >> interesting >> that although we are not really photographers people with a lot more >> expensive camera's and into it a lot more than we are wonder at our >> pictures >> and don't really believe us when we say its set on auto and we point and >> push the button. >> Ray Freeman > > We'll be in SFO next week for Rita's 60th birthday present. I'll be > looking out for some lens filters while there, want to get a > polarizing filter and a UV filter, 58mm fitting. > > I've got a list of camera shops in the city, but we also have a couple > down in San Jose to look at. > > I don't know if Fry's Electronics sell anything in that line, but we > will be calling there for a new HDD and possibly a motherboard/CPU. > > Peter Hi Peter There is a huge computer/electronics store in SF, down the hill east from China Town, can't remember its name. I bought some flash drives from there. You can't miss it if your in the main business area. Ask the locals for the largest computer store. Peter, Oz From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 04:01:32 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:01:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <000501c92931$6d857950$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081007184103.00c54aa0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <6f6025160810071436yd1f85fandc3b8a1478c9e7b9@mail.gmail.com> <000001c928d9$ba20dd20$2e629760$@net.au> <6f6025160810072302x3f1f6124m89f850f87c8bf15d@mail.gmail.com> <000501c92931$6d857950$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <6f6025160810080401w12782842yea62de2426504195@mail.gmail.com> On 08/10/2008, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Peter > There is a huge computer/electronics store in SF, down the hill east from > China Town, can't remember its name. I bought some flash drives from there. > You can't miss it if your in the main business area. Ask the locals for the > largest computer store. > > Peter, Oz This one? Compusa www.compusa.com (415) 743-3200 www.compusa.com 750 Market St, San Francisco, CA 94102 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Oct 8 04:14:25 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:14:25 EDT Subject: [SEL] engine pictures Message-ID: In a message dated 10/8/2008 2:39:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: I've got a list of camera shops in the city, but we also have a couple down in San Jose to look at. Peter, Just walk down the street around Fishermans Wharf. Lots of "doors open" camera shops waiting for "Joe tourist" to stop and browse. Also willing to negotiate prices. Just tell them you will think about it and head toward the door. They will drag you back in. Have a great trip and birthday party for Rita! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 04:43:43 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:43:43 +0100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160810080443o4a31a7b6p2b8b108ebd2291aa@mail.gmail.com> On 08/10/2008, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Peter, > > Just walk down the street around Fishermans Wharf. Lots of "doors open" > camera shops waiting for "Joe tourist" to stop and browse. Also willing to > negotiate prices. Just tell them you will think about it and head toward > the > door. They will drag you back in. > > Have a great trip and birthday party for Rita! > > Tom Schmutz Hi Tom: Those guys need to be out in the bay, with the other sharks! We got another 'new to us' camera earlier this year, had it sent to Jim Dunmyer who brought it to Buckley for us. Just need a couple of filters for the lens. We did go into a couple a few years back, but there are no prices on anything, which I don't like to see. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Oct 8 05:11:18 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:11:18 +1100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081007184103.00c54aa0@mail.cyberserv.co.za><6f6025160810071436yd1f85fandc3b8a1478c9e7b9@mail.gmail.com><000001c928d9$ba20dd20$2e629760$@net.au><6f6025160810072302x3f1f6124m89f850f87c8bf15d@mail.gmail.com><000501c92931$6d857950$0200a8c0@PETER> <6f6025160810080401w12782842yea62de2426504195@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001b01c9293e$f83ae410$0200a8c0@PETER> > On 08/10/2008, Peter Lowe wrote: > >> Hi Peter >> There is a huge computer/electronics store in SF, down the hill east from >> China Town, can't remember its name. I bought some flash drives from >> there. >> You can't miss it if your in the main business area. Ask the locals for >> the >> largest computer store. >> >> Peter, Oz > > This one? > > Compusa > www.compusa.com > (415) 743-3200 www.compusa.com > 750 Market St, San Francisco, CA 94102 > > Peter Hi Pete You got it mate, Market Street sounds right, I think you should give Rita your Visa card and point her to the ladies shops down the road, because you can waste at least 2 hours in there no problem. I took kaye back to our hotel in China Town for her afternoon nap and I ran back down the hill. I got back out just on dark and Kaye was waiting for me to take her out to dinner. She knew where I was though. ;-)) Peter, Oz From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Oct 8 05:18:12 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:18:12 +1100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures References: Message-ID: <001f01c9293f$ef626010$0200a8c0@PETER> > In a message dated 10/8/2008 2:39:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: > > I've got a list of camera shops in the city, but we also have a couple > down in San Jose to look at. > > > Peter, > > Just walk down the street around Fishermans Wharf. Lots of "doors open" > camera shops waiting for "Joe tourist" to stop and browse. Also willing > to > negotiate prices. Just tell them you will think about it and head toward > the > door. They will drag you back in. > > Have a great trip and birthday party for Rita! > > Tom Schmutz Hi Tom Yeah I looked at those stores, some seemed a little dodgy to me. There is a great security surveillance store down past Fishermans Wharf, further down towards the GG Bridge about a half mile. If you like toys like Miniature bugs, cameras and spy stuff, I do a little surveillance stuff occasionally for clients. Peter, Oz From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Oct 8 07:14:23 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:14:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures (Fisherman's Wharf) In-Reply-To: <6f6025160810080443o4a31a7b6p2b8b108ebd2291aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160810080443o4a31a7b6p2b8b108ebd2291aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1223475263.48ecc03fc3532@webmail.city-net.com> Good Grief!! How can you mention Fisherman's Wharf and bloody camera shops? Think SEAFOOD!!!! My recommendation is Scoma's Restaurant. http://www.scomas.com/ AWESOME seafood! The best dish on the menu is CIOPPINO ALLA PESCATORE (think Portuguese Bouillabaisse). Also noteworthy are calamari and Dungeness crab (both served in many different ways). Drool.... Quoting Listerdiesel : > On 08/10/2008, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > Just walk down the street around Fishermans Wharf. Lots of "doors open" > > camera shops waiting for "Joe tourist" to stop and browse. From enginepaul at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 08:06:37 2008 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:06:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <001f01c9293f$ef626010$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <001f01c9293f$ef626010$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0810080806m2049976ctee1bec95c1d0854f@mail.gmail.com> Dear visitors; Before buying from one of those bargain places, get the San Francisco District Attorney's phone number first; you'll need it. The main tip - here or anywhere - is to see the store's return policy. It will almost always be for 'store credit only.' That means you have to go to the store and buy something else from that same crook and if you aren't in town, that's too bad. Just one trick they used was to have lenses in three price ranges. If you actually looked at the lenses, you would see they are all the same. The sales person would size you up and show what he thought was your price range and show you that one. Try asking to see the most expensive, look at it closely, then ask to see the cheapest one. They probably won't even show it to you and accuse you of wasting their time or just plain tell you to leave. If you do buy, NEVER let them wrap it for you; look at it before you leave the store. Adolph Gasser is an old line camera store that pros buy from, but they may not be the cheapest. Honesty isn't free. You may want to try Ritz Camera in the Stonestown mall; there are two higher end department stores and lots of places for the ladies to spend money too. My wife walks over there for exercise and it costs at least a hundred dollars per trip. If someone steals your camera, I can take you down to 6th Street and we can try and get it back from one of the hock shops, but don't go there alone. It may be hard to spot the thieves in the City, but when at the cable car turntable at the wharf just look at those nice apartments on both side of the street. Those are public housing projects. Some of the most expensive in the world (our China Town has a more expensive one) but the chances of someone living there having a criminal record is pretty good. What a great city! You live at the Wharf for free, or you live a couple of blocks away and pay thousands per month. I guess it's all OK because those taxpayers have lots of money to spare. Enjoy your trip. Paul in SanFran From George_Best at adp.com Wed Oct 8 08:39:09 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:39:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0810080806m2049976ctee1bec95c1d0854f@mail.gmail.com> References: <001f01c9293f$ef626010$0200a8c0@PETER> <8d3c36fb0810080806m2049976ctee1bec95c1d0854f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908883B2F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Are any of the west coast members of this list going to the EDGE&TA Branch 13 swap meet at Woodland CA? I'm seriously thinking of driving down for it. Its only about 600 miles or so each way ;-) May take an engine or two and see if anyone still has money to spend. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 10:27:03 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:27:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <001b01c9293e$f83ae410$0200a8c0@PETER> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081007184103.00c54aa0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> <6f6025160810071436yd1f85fandc3b8a1478c9e7b9@mail.gmail.com> <000001c928d9$ba20dd20$2e629760$@net.au> <6f6025160810072302x3f1f6124m89f850f87c8bf15d@mail.gmail.com> <000501c92931$6d857950$0200a8c0@PETER> <6f6025160810080401w12782842yea62de2426504195@mail.gmail.com> <001b01c9293e$f83ae410$0200a8c0@PETER> Message-ID: <6f6025160810081027y4cec1314hdd0624d495da9fa7@mail.gmail.com> On 08/10/2008, Peter Lowe wrote: > Hi Pete > You got it mate, Market Street sounds right, I think you should give Rita > your Visa card and point her to the ladies shops down the road, because you > can waste at least 2 hours in there no problem. > I took kaye back to our hotel in China Town for her afternoon nap and I ran > back down the hill. I got back out just on dark and Kaye was waiting for me > to take her out to dinner. She knew where I was though. ;-)) > Peter, Oz LOL! I can imagine Kaye "waiting" for you! :-)) The store is just down from Market and Powell, where the cable cars start from. We drive up from St Bruno, park the hire car in Golden Gate Park at the seashore end where it's free, walk just round the corner and we are on the main trolley bus route straight to Market St., the bus stop is literally on that corner. We bought the City Passport 7-day ticket last time we were there, it worked out cheaper than paying fares on the buses and cable cars in town. We also go to the Green Apple bookshop on Clement, that's good for a couple or three hours at least! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 10:29:42 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:29:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0810080806m2049976ctee1bec95c1d0854f@mail.gmail.com> References: <001f01c9293f$ef626010$0200a8c0@PETER> <8d3c36fb0810080806m2049976ctee1bec95c1d0854f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160810081029o5126000bk1cc8c4b506e1da3b@mail.gmail.com> On 08/10/2008, P. Johns wrote: > Dear visitors; > > Before buying from one of those bargain places, get the San Francisco > District Attorney's phone number first; you'll need it. The main tip - here > or anywhere - is to see the store's return policy. It will almost always be > for 'store credit only.' That means you have to go to the store and buy > something else from that same crook and if you aren't in town, that's too > bad. > Hi Paul: We have been there a few times now, this is our fourth visit, so we are aware, but many thanks for the warning. Like most tourist shops, they are mainly Grey Import merchants, none are on the authorised dealer lists for any of the major camera manufacturers. Thanks again, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 10:33:57 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:33:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures (Fisherman's Wharf) In-Reply-To: <1223475263.48ecc03fc3532@webmail.city-net.com> References: <6f6025160810080443o4a31a7b6p2b8b108ebd2291aa@mail.gmail.com> <1223475263.48ecc03fc3532@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160810081033k4143c6cel81a50a7366b1b979@mail.gmail.com> On 08/10/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Good Grief!! How can you mention Fisherman's Wharf and bloody camera shops? > > Think SEAFOOD!!!! My recommendation is Scoma's Restaurant. > http://www.scomas.com/ AWESOME seafood! The best dish on the menu is > CIOPPINO ALLA PESCATORE (think Portuguese Bouillabaisse). Also noteworthy > are > calamari and Dungeness crab (both served in many different ways). Drool.... I'm sure your stomach runs your life sometimes! :-)) I'll bet that Dungeness Crab hasn't been anywhere near the south Kent coast, or maybe it's radioactive (WAGR)..... no wonder you like them! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Oct 8 10:53:10 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:53:10 +0200 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081008191357.00c5a4f8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 08/10/2008, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:36:09 +0100 >From: Listerdiesel >Subject: Re: [SEL] engine pictures > >On 07/10/2008, Jerry Evans wrote: > > 2) Something very important with digital camera's is "battery > > life". Some of them really "chew" batteries. Do not go for anything that > > uses "proprietary" battery packs - they're expensive. Rechargeable > > penlights (AA) work well for me. They're not expensive and you can also buy > > normal AA batteries almost anywhere if your rechargeable batteries run > > flat. I once bought an HP digital but returned it within the 7 day "cooling > > off" period - darn thing only took about 15 shots per set of batteries. > > Remember also that the more you use the zoom feature and the flash the more > > battery power it will use up. > >Have to disagree strongly with that, Jerry. > >Sony Infolithium gives a running battery life total in the battery >viewfinder, and if you buy the accessory dual Sony chargers, they also >give 'battery life' and 'time to charge' figures as well. > >Look up Sony AC-SQ950 for the M series battery charger as an example. > >At Buckley & Portland we were getting 300+ shots out of one battery >charge, and although I carried a spare battery with me, I never had to >change it all day. We recharged each night obviously. > >My son on the other hand is always complaining that his Fuji always >runs out of battery power when he is least expecting it! He has tried >the high capacity NiMH batteries too, but gets little warning of when >they are going to go down on him. > >We are biased towards Sony as we have a lot of their kit, but with >something like 16000 images taken over the past 6 years or so, we have >established a track record with Sony product that we think is hard to >beat. > >Peter Hi Peter, I never said anything bad about Sony! I have Infolithium's on my Sony Mini DV video camcorder - the whole Infolithium system is very good. Also have the digital battery readout in both the Sony and the Fuji. I did say that they were expensive and stick to this. Maybe I should say that they are expensive in South Africa - I dunno about elsewhere. I do have a spare for the video camera and it was darn expensive. My Fuji takes 4 rechargeable penlights. I use the Ni-MH type and can buy many of these for the price of a Sony battery. I photographed the tractors at Sandstone about 3 years ago with this camera and each one involved zooming and many also needed forced flash. I was taking between 1200 and 1500 pics @ 3Mpixels per day and only had 2 sets of batteries at the time (and some Duracells just in case). I had to change batteries 3 times a day but by the time the 2nd set was finished the first set was again fully charged. (O.K. they were brand new then - I probably would not be able to repeat that today) Another advantage of using standard "off the shelf batteries" is - you can buy them anywhere. I went to a show last year and (stupidly) left my batteries at home in the charger. No problem - dash into the nearest supermarket and pick up some Duracells and I'm back in business - I do not think you can do that with a camera that takes a proprietary battery pack. Now, having said that, I do agree that the Sony camera's are very good - I just prefer my Fuji and the fact that it is very light on batteries. Does your sons Fuji also have a readout indicator for battery life? The one in my Fuji works fine and if I watch it I never run out unexpectedly. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Oct 8 10:57:09 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:57:09 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Subject: Re: engine pictures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081008195338.01ce4260@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 08/10/2008, you wrote: >Message: 3 >Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:20:46 -0700 (PDT) >From: Alan >Subject: Re: [SEL] engine pictures > >Hi Jerry, > >"a cheap film camera and have digital prints made" >This statement means a one time use $3.00 to $4.00 sealed 35MM camera that >usually will take 27 pictures. >I saw some that were less than two bucks, but you have to make sure they >have a flash at that price. >If you know when to use the flash and when not to you can take good >pictures with it. > >When you take it back to walmart you can get a $1.99 CD with all of the >pictures on it. >You go home and shove that Cd into your computer and work on those >pictures just like the ones we take with digital cameras. > >It is a good deal if you are not ready to buy that digital camera right then. > >Alan in Michigan Hi Alan, Tom mentioned he wanted to replace his old "cheap" digital camera. I do not see much sense in going backwards. I stand by my comments on film cameras. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Oct 8 11:27:21 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:27:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] engine pictures (Fisherman's Wharf) Message-ID: In a message dated 10/8/2008 10:22:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: Good Grief!! How can you mention Fisherman's Wharf and bloody camera shops Arnie, Already had breakfast and was not hungry! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Oct 8 11:39:15 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:39:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures (Fisherman's Wharf) In-Reply-To: <6f6025160810081033k4143c6cel81a50a7366b1b979@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160810080443o4a31a7b6p2b8b108ebd2291aa@mail.gmail.com> <1223475263.48ecc03fc3532@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160810081033k4143c6cel81a50a7366b1b979@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1223491155.48ecfe53dca0b@webmail.city-net.com> Whaddya mean "sometimes"? 8-)) Some people eat to live. I live to eat. BTW if someone tells you that the Dungeness crab that they're serving you DID come from the South Kent coast of England, run away, cos it's some kind of fake crap (probably minced cat and carp), not the real thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeness_crab See ya, Arnie Quoting Listerdiesel : > > Think SEAFOOD!!!! My recommendation is Scoma's Restaurant. > > http://www.scomas.com/ AWESOME seafood! The best dish on the menu is > > CIOPPINO ALLA PESCATORE (think Portuguese Bouillabaisse). Also noteworthy > > are calamari and Dungeness crab (both served in many different ways). > > Drool.... > > I'm sure your stomach runs your life sometimes! :-)) > > I'll bet that Dungeness Crab hasn't been anywhere near the south Kent > coast, or maybe it's radioactive (WAGR)..... no wonder you like them! From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Oct 8 13:46:09 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:46:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908883B2F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20081008204609.A1C1665B430@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Hi George, I'll be there Sat. noon when the gate opens. The price of fuel is dropping so it will probably have a decent turn out but maybe just a lot of Looky loos. I'm broke but my social director Pam always has money. I just have to practice my "YES DEAR's" to get it. CYA maybe, Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:39 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month Are any of the west coast members of this list going to the EDGE&TA Branch 13 swap meet at Woodland CA? I'm seriously thinking of driving down for it. Its only about 600 miles or so each way ;-) May take an engine or two and see if anyone still has money to spend. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 8 15:36:52 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:36:52 +1100 Subject: [SEL] FW: Fairbanks Morse Engine Message-ID: If anyone can help Don with his engine please email him direct at the address below: ddernbach at gmail.com Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _____ From: Don Dernbach [mailto:ddernbach at gmail.com] Hi, Can you help me get info on an old air cooled Fairbanks Morse two cylinder in line engine? The tag has this info on it: Made CW (sez made but may mean model) TYPE20 X1-2B7-4 Serial number 4969101 MFD Y-80 Could have been made in the 50's or 60's Hard to find info on the web for this one. Don 619-561-3883 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 22:37:04 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 06:37:04 +0100 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081008191357.00c5a4f8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081008191357.00c5a4f8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6f6025160810082237s22aba454qf121b8b05f9925e7@mail.gmail.com> On 08/10/2008, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Peter, > I never said anything bad about Sony! We didn't say you did, Jerry! >I have Infolithium's on my > Sony Mini DV video camcorder - the whole Infolithium system is very good. > Also have the digital battery readout in both the Sony and the Fuji. > > I did say that they were expensive and stick to this. Maybe I > should say that they are expensive in South Africa - I dunno about > elsewhere. I do have a spare for the video camera and it was darn expensive. They are expensive at first issue, but they drop away pretty quickly once the Chinese start making cheap copies, then you have to try and ensure that you have a genuine Sony battery. > My Fuji takes 4 rechargeable penlights. I use the Ni-MH type and > can buy many of these for the price of a Sony battery. I photographed the > tractors at Sandstone about 3 years ago with this camera and each one > involved zooming and many also needed forced flash. I was taking between > 1200 and 1500 pics @ 3Mpixels per day and only had 2 sets of batteries at > the time (and some Duracells just in case). I had to change batteries 3 > times a day but by the time the 2nd set was finished the first set was > again fully charged. (O.K. they were brand new then - I probably would not > be able to repeat that today) > > > Another advantage of using standard "off the shelf batteries" is - > you can buy them anywhere. I went to a show last year and (stupidly) left > my batteries at home in the charger. No problem - dash into the nearest > supermarket and pick up some Duracells and I'm back in business - I do not > think you can do that with a camera that takes a proprietary battery pack. > > Now, having said that, I do agree that the Sony camera's are very > good - I just prefer my Fuji and the fact that it is very light on > batteries. Does your sons Fuji also have a readout indicator for battery > life? The one in my Fuji works fine and if I watch it I never run out > unexpectedly. I'll check which batteries Philip's camera uses, I don't use it myself so am not too familiar with the controls etc. The NP-FM50 battery is common to three of our cameras, the earlier NP-F330 and NP-F550 are common to most of the Mavicas. The odd ones out are the DVD digicam and the little DSC-V1, both have different batteries to everything else. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 22:39:51 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 06:39:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Subject: Re: engine pictures In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081008195338.01ce4260@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081008195338.01ce4260@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6f6025160810082239w2975a15kb29cfdb42aa17a38@mail.gmail.com> On 08/10/2008, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Alan, > Tom mentioned he wanted to replace his old "cheap" digital camera. > I do not see much sense in going backwards. > I stand by my comments on film cameras. > Yes, I'd agree with that, especially with a lot of film producers now stopping production. We made the break some years ago and wouldn't go back now, there is simply no advantage in doing so. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Oct 9 11:14:22 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:14:22 +0200 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081009194519.00c25858@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 09/10/2008, you wrote: >Message: 10 >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 06:37:04 +0100 >From: Listerdiesel >Subject: Re: [SEL] engine pictures >On 08/10/2008, Jerry Evans wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > I never said anything bad about Sony! >We didn't say you did, Jerry! >Peter A Forbes Thanks Peter, Maybe I should rephrase that - "I omitted to mention Sony's good points because I was concentrating on "Fuji". They're both "good" camera's and I have one of each make. Back to subject - What camera suits "Tom" best? I'd warrant that all of the above discussions will revert to Tom's "personal preference" i) What type of photographer is he and what does he want the camera for ? ii) Does it handle "Automatic" well ? iii) How much is he prepared to spend ? Peter, thanks for agreeing on my comments re.: "film cameras". Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Oct 9 11:36:31 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:36:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Auction Message-ID: <1223577391.48ee4f2fe9ed9@webmail.city-net.com> FYI... ----- Forwarded message from Richard Fink Sr ----- Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:28:31 -0700 From: Richard Fink Sr Reply-To: Richard Fink Sr Could not get this to post on sel if some one could send it around To any one that may have a interest. There is an auction in my area this weekend Saturday the 11. It is listed under www. Auctionzip.com id no 6601. Woodbury PA the late Rex Beach Ph 814-793-3900 R Fink From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 13:58:14 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 21:58:14 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum / IMechE Presentation to JCB Message-ID: <6f6025160810091358u7a076a52m1eb57dfde0b72ca1@mail.gmail.com> We had an interesting day at the Anson Engine Museum today, on the occasion of the presentation by the Institute of mechanical Engineers of an Engineering Heritage Award to JCB, for the Dieselmax engine that was used in the recent world-speed record for diesel engined vehicles. We got there early so had to time to top up our pictures for our own websites, and also to go round and take notes for those previously posted that have no or incorrect captions. The presentation was a fairly informal affair, set in the diesel exhibition hall, surrounded by old and new diesel engines of all types, including the 1st diesel built in the UK and the 3rd diesel in the world. I have some pictures of the ceremony and will get them up on the websites over the weekend, we've just arrived back home at 10pm having left this morning early to go to Crewe and Bury first. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From kosh at ncweb.com Thu Oct 9 14:20:33 2008 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:20:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum / IMechE Presentation to JCB In-Reply-To: <6f6025160810091358u7a076a52m1eb57dfde0b72ca1@mail.gmail.co m> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081009171308.02ad5600@ncweb.com> One of the US cable channels, either History or Discovery, has shown (several times) a program about Speed Week at Bonneville, which includes the problems that the JCB team went thru to get the record. Unfortunately, the car included some computers, which of course were blamed for most of the problems. The program primarily focused on 3 teams, JCB, a teenage girl's first time in a rather fast streamliner, and a privateer with a Sunbeam Tiger. Excellent show, with a lot about the people who do this. Makes you want to go out there sometime Dave Merchant At 04:58 PM 10/9/2008, you wrote: >We had an interesting day at the Anson Engine Museum today, on the >occasion of the presentation by the Institute of mechanical Engineers >of an Engineering Heritage Award to JCB, for the Dieselmax engine that >was used in the recent world-speed record for diesel engined vehicles. > >We got there early so had to time to top up our pictures for our own >websites, and also to go round and take notes for those previously >posted that have no or incorrect captions. > >The presentation was a fairly informal affair, set in the diesel >exhibition hall, surrounded by old and new diesel engines of all >types, including the 1st diesel built in the UK and the 3rd diesel in >the world. > >I have some pictures of the ceremony and will get them up on the >websites over the weekend, we've just arrived back home at 10pm having >left this morning early to go to Crewe and Bury first. > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >http://stationary-engine.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at nesys.com nesys_com at ameritech.net dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Oct 9 17:15:27 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:15:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] apple cider mill help Message-ID: Friend called tonight. He wants to fix up and old apple cider mill to grind cider using an electric motor. The mill has a 10 inch x 2 1/2 inch flat pulley on it. Motor is 1725 rpm with a 5/8 diameter shaft and 3/16 keyway. What would be the recommended rpm of the mill? And then where can we find a pulley short of making one? Of course it is probably a small pulley and could make an aluminum one on the old SB lathe. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From gremaux at midrivers.com Thu Oct 9 17:42:41 2008 From: gremaux at midrivers.com (Frank) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 18:42:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] apple cider mill help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28A1B595AFAD4E9AACD3881196EC58C7@FrankPC> should bring it to me so I can run it with a stationary engine then you will not need additional pulley Frank gremaux at midrivers.com There is no place like 127.0.0.1 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: [SEL] apple cider mill help > Friend called tonight. He wants to fix up and old apple cider mill to > grind > cider using an electric motor. The mill has a 10 inch x 2 1/2 inch flat > pulley on it. Motor is 1725 rpm with a 5/8 diameter shaft and 3/16 > keyway. > What would be the recommended rpm of the mill? And then where can we > find a > pulley short of making one? Of course it is probably a small pulley and > could > make an aluminum one on the old SB lathe. > > Thanks, > > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > > > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your > destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Thu Oct 9 19:04:00 2008 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:04:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] apple cider mill help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48EEB810.3070802@telenet.net> Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Friend called tonight. He wants to fix up and old apple cider mill to grind > cider using an electric motor. The mill has a 10 inch x 2 1/2 inch flat > pulley on it. Motor is 1725 rpm with a 5/8 diameter shaft and 3/16 keyway. > What would be the recommended rpm of the mill? And then where can we find a > pulley short of making one? Of course it is probably a small pulley and could > make an aluminum one on the old SB lathe. > > Thanks, > > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > If you are talking about the grinder speed. I wouldn't turn one any faster than 60-70 RPM. To use that motor you will want a jack shaft with pulleys at both ends. Put a 2" pulley on the motor going to a 10" on the jack shaft and on the other end of the shaft use a 2" pulley to drive the 10". Install the jack shaft solidly and install the motor with an over center style lock. That way you can just pull a lever to disengage the motor. What you would end up with is about 70 RPM. Figure 1725 RPM through the first 5:1 reduction = 345 RPM That 345 RPM through the second stage of 5:1 reduction will give you 69 RPM. The reason you don't want the grinder running much faster is that most are NOT close to precision balanced or built. They will shake themselves to death and take you with them at higher speeds. Now if his mill uses a screw style press then that section will be powered by Armstrong! -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From shop at cccomm.net Fri Oct 10 07:06:18 2008 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:06:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month References: <001f01c9293f$ef626010$0200a8c0@PETER><8d3c36fb0810080806m2049976ctee1bec95c1d0854f@mail.gmail.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908883B2F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: George, I'm taking a couple of engines I hope to sell. Officially, the meet begins on Sunday, and is coordinated by Smokey Stover (the great grandson and avid collector). The gate into the meet area is opened at noon on Saturday for set up. The real swap meet begins around 9 to 10 on Saturday morning and a lot of the big stuff is usually sold before the gate opens. I generally don't stay for Sunday as I usually have spent my wad...... Dave in Nevada ps. A daily watch of Ebay still hasn't produced a spring winder...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:39 AM Subject: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month Are any of the west coast members of this list going to the EDGE&TA Branch 13 swap meet at Woodland CA? I'm seriously thinking of driving down for it. Its only about 600 miles or so each way ;-) May take an engine or two and see if anyone still has money to spend. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1713 - Release Date: 10/7/2008 6:40 PM From shop at cccomm.net Fri Oct 10 07:10:17 2008 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:10:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures (Fisherman's Wharf) References: <6f6025160810080443o4a31a7b6p2b8b108ebd2291aa@mail.gmail.com> <1223475263.48ecc03fc3532@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <14C9DB668F65419DAA0487E732329397@YOURA8CFD79427> Arnie, I Haven't been there for about a year and you are making my mouth water................ Just the aroma floating around the sidewalks makes one crave to eat at the first place you come to Who runs the Grotto now? Still the Alioto's? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] engine pictures (Fisherman's Wharf) Good Grief!! How can you mention Fisherman's Wharf and bloody camera shops? Think SEAFOOD!!!! My recommendation is Scoma's Restaurant. http://www.scomas.com/ AWESOME seafood! The best dish on the menu is CIOPPINO ALLA PESCATORE (think Portuguese Bouillabaisse). Also noteworthy are calamari and Dungeness crab (both served in many different ways). Drool.... Quoting Listerdiesel : > On 08/10/2008, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > Just walk down the street around Fishermans Wharf. Lots of "doors > > open" > > camera shops waiting for "Joe tourist" to stop and browse. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1713 - Release Date: 10/7/2008 6:40 PM From gremaux at midrivers.com Fri Oct 10 07:26:39 2008 From: gremaux at midrivers.com (Frank) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:26:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: At one time someone on here was in the business of selling flat belt fasteners...I have one I need to put in a new splice and wondering where I can find some thanks in advance Frank gremaux at midrivers.com There is no place like 127.0.0.1 From George_Best at adp.com Fri Oct 10 09:28:56 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:28:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month In-Reply-To: References: <001f01c9293f$ef626010$0200a8c0@PETER><8d3c36fb0810080806m2049976ctee1bec95c1d0854f@mail.gmail.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908883B2F@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590891D162@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Dave, I've been going to the Branch 13 swap meet for a long time. Went to the Bottimore ranch for years before the swap meet was moved to the Yolo county fairgrounds. I thought it was more fun back in the Bottimore years, but the current location is a bit closer for me to drive to. I doubt I'll be there for the gate opening on Saturday, but should be there early afternoon. If I remember and have room, I may bring the spring winder along and you can measure it if you want to fabricate one. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ernst Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 7:06 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month George, I'm taking a couple of engines I hope to sell. Officially, the meet begins on Sunday, and is coordinated by Smokey Stover (the great grandson and avid collector). The gate into the meet area is opened at noon on Saturday for set up. The real swap meet begins around 9 to 10 on Saturday morning and a lot of the big stuff is usually sold before the gate opens. I generally don't stay for Sunday as I usually have spent my wad...... Dave in Nevada ps. A daily watch of Ebay still hasn't produced a spring winder...... This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From jdohagan at comcast.net Fri Oct 10 10:09:52 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:09:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590891D162@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <20081010170953.67C5E4448A5@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> George I miss the Mustang! Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 9:29 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month Dave, I've been going to the Branch 13 swap meet for a long time. Went to the Bottimore ranch for years before the swap meet was moved to the Yolo county fairgrounds. I thought it was more fun back in the Bottimore years, but the current location is a bit closer for me to drive to. I doubt I'll be there for the gate opening on Saturday, but should be there early afternoon. If I remember and have room, I may bring the spring winder along and you can measure it if you want to fabricate one. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ernst Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 7:06 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month George, I'm taking a couple of engines I hope to sell. Officially, the meet begins on Sunday, and is coordinated by Smokey Stover (the great grandson and avid collector). The gate into the meet area is opened at noon on Saturday for set up. The real swap meet begins around 9 to 10 on Saturday morning and a lot of the big stuff is usually sold before the gate opens. I generally don't stay for Sunday as I usually have spent my wad...... Dave in Nevada ps. A daily watch of Ebay still hasn't produced a spring winder...... This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Oct 10 10:26:52 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:26:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] engine pictures (Fisherman's Wharf) In-Reply-To: <14C9DB668F65419DAA0487E732329397@YOURA8CFD79427> References: <6f6025160810080443o4a31a7b6p2b8b108ebd2291aa@mail.gmail.com> <1223475263.48ecc03fc3532@webmail.city-net.com> <14C9DB668F65419DAA0487E732329397@YOURA8CFD79427> Message-ID: <1223659612.48ef905c7ca01@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Dave, It looks like Alioto's is still in the family. It's also an EXCELLENT seafood joint. http://www.aliotos.com/history.htm There is another resturant at Fisherman's Wharf that called the Old Fisherman's Grotto. I don't know anything about that place. http://www.oldfishermansgrotto.com/ Quoting Dave Ernst : > Who runs the Grotto now? Still the Alioto's? From George_Best at adp.com Fri Oct 10 10:36:48 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:36:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month In-Reply-To: <20081010170953.67C5E4448A5@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590891D162@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <20081010170953.67C5E4448A5@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590891D342@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> For those unfamiliar with the Bottimore swap meet it was held on a private airstrip. Someone with a P51 Mustang plane would occasionally buzz the swapmeet. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jim O'Hagan Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 10:10 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month George I miss the Mustang! Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 9:29 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Woodland CA swap meet this month Dave, I've been going to the Branch 13 swap meet for a long time. Went to the Bottimore ranch for years before the swap meet was moved to the Yolo county fairgrounds. I thought it was more fun back in the Bottimore years, but the current location is a bit closer for me to drive to. I doubt I'll be there for the gate opening on Saturday, but should be there early afternoon. If I remember and have room, I may bring the spring winder along and you can measure it if you want to fabricate one. George This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 10:44:23 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:44:23 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum / IMechE Presentation to JCB In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20081009171308.02ad5600@ncweb.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20081009171308.02ad5600@ncweb.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160810101044y34f8e164g4a0aac46b61aa392@mail.gmail.com> On 09/10/2008, Dave Merchant wrote: > One of the US cable channels, either History or Discovery, > has shown (several times) a program about Speed Week > at Bonneville, which includes the problems that the JCB team > went thru to get the record. Unfortunately, the car included > some computers, which of course were blamed for most > of the problems. One of the freebies at the presentation (unexpectedly) was a small pile of DVD's about the whole JCB project. We managed to snaffle the last one.... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Oct 10 10:58:30 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:58:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] apple cider mill help Message-ID: Steve, Thanks for the information. I should have realized it needed to run very slow. Now to find some parts for him. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Oct 10 15:05:57 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:05:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Franks..what's the thickness of the belt? Rickin East Helena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 8:26 AM Subject: [SEL] (no subject) > At one time someone on here was in the business of selling flat belt > fasteners...I have one I need to put in a new splice and wondering where I > can find some > > thanks in advance > > Frank > gremaux at midrivers.com > There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Oct 10 16:15:45 2008 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:15:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: Hit & Miss has them. Here is the link - _http://www.hitnmiss.com/25a.html_ (http://www.hitnmiss.com/25a.html) > At one time someone on here was in the business of selling flat belt > fasteners...I have one I need to put in a new splice and wondering where I > can find some **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From gremaux at midrivers.com Fri Oct 10 16:53:50 2008 From: gremaux at midrivers.com (Frank) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:53:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <506F6CCB23C54AECA93D93AB8E623EA3@FrankPC> bout as thick as a silver dollar....no clue but seems to me like I used one that had the number 25 on it? Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > Franks..what's the thickness of the belt? > > Rickin East Helena > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 8:26 AM > Subject: [SEL] (no subject) > > >> At one time someone on here was in the business of selling flat belt >> fasteners...I have one I need to put in a new splice and wondering where >> I >> can find some >> >> thanks in advance >> >> Frank >> gremaux at midrivers.com >> There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gremaux at midrivers.com Fri Oct 10 17:04:53 2008 From: gremaux at midrivers.com (Frank) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:04:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75727AE721824DFCB19760B00044C1D3@FrankPC> Thanks for your help FRM Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > Hit & Miss has them. Here is the link - > _http://www.hitnmiss.com/25a.html_ > (http://www.hitnmiss.com/25a.html) > > > >> At one time someone on here was in the business of selling flat belt >> fasteners...I have one I need to put in a new splice and wondering where >> I >> can find some > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your > destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bee_keeper at earthlink.net Fri Oct 10 18:13:32 2008 From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:13:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <506F6CCB23C54AECA93D93AB8E623EA3@FrankPC> Message-ID: <001901c92b3e$95344fd0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW> I'd think most any dealer or farm store would have them to use with round baler belts? Lew near Waco, TX -----Original Message----- bout as thick as a silver dollar....no clue but seems to me like I used one that had the number 25 on it? Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > Franks..what's the thickness of the belt? > > Rickin East Helena > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 8:26 AM > Subject: [SEL] (no subject) > > >> At one time someone on here was in the business of selling flat belt >> fasteners...I have one I need to put in a new splice and wondering where >> I >> can find some >> >> thanks in advance >> >> Frank >> gremaux at midrivers.com >> There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >> From falcon at telenet.net Fri Oct 10 18:26:35 2008 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:26:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] apple cider mill help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F000CB.6000804@telenet.net> Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Steve, > > Thanks for the information. I should have realized it needed to run very > slow. Now to find some parts for him. > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com > Trust me the first time you turned it on at a higher speed you would have immediately figured it out! For shows and such I just crank mine by hand. Gives the "kids" something to do. -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York From weolson at wiktel.com Sat Oct 11 13:34:52 2008 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:34:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hand made Electric Motors Message-ID: <1035453596.20081011153452@wiktel.com> Hi SEL, One of you gentleman, at least I assume that you are, recently posted a web site where you had made some interesting electric motors from parts salvaged from some hard drives. I seem to have lost it, my grand daughter may have deleated it without knowing it (good excuse anyway). Could you please post it again? Thank you. This time I may save it for later. William Olson Roosevelt, MN USA -- Thanks, William mailto:weolson at wiktel.com Outgoing mail scanned by Comodo AntiVirus From edurand at mchsi.com Sat Oct 11 15:51:19 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:51:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hand made Electric Motors In-Reply-To: <1035453596.20081011153452@wiktel.com> Message-ID: William: It may have been me, although I ain't 'zackly a "gentleman". More like a transmogrified Kaintuck hillbilly. Check out my website (below my signature). Take care - Elden In the heart of the Redneck Riviera. http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of William > Olson > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 03:35 PM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Hand made Electric Motors > > > Hi SEL, > > One of you gentleman, at least I assume that > you are, recently posted a web site where you had > made some interesting electric motors from parts > salvaged from some hard drives. I seem to have > lost it, my grand daughter may have deleated it > without knowing it (good excuse anyway). Could > you please post it again? Thank you. This time > I may save it for later. > > William Olson > Roosevelt, MN USA From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Oct 12 03:14:35 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:14:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Alan Wheaton from Wagga Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081012211306.020b3288@ncable.com.au> G'day All, could somebody send me Alan Wheaton from Wagga Wagga's contact details please regards Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Sun Oct 12 03:53:17 2008 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:53:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Alan Wheaton from Wagga References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081012211306.020b3288@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <003901c92c58$bc1affc0$0201010a@JBCooper> Hi Russell, Address for Alan Wheaton for National Rally bookings is >> awheaton at adam.com.au Regards, John Cooper, Bega N.S.W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "SEL" Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Looking for Alan Wheaton from Wagga > > G'day All, could somebody send me Alan Wheaton from Wagga Wagga's > contact details please > regards Russell > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1720 - Release Date: 10/11/2008 3:59 PM From alanwh at iinet.net.au Sun Oct 12 05:07:25 2008 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan Wheaton) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:07:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Alan Wheaton from Wagga In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081012211306.020b3288@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081012211306.020b3288@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <18F6A1A23BFF4ECCB53E00051553E93C@shack> Hi Russell Still here Alan 0408593211 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell Gilbert Sent: Sunday, 12 October 2008 9:15 PM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] Looking for Alan Wheaton from Wagga G'day All, could somebody send me Alan Wheaton from Wagga Wagga's contact details please regards Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Oct 12 05:08:07 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:08:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Alan Wheaton from Wagga Message-ID: <101220081208.20964.48F1E8A70004CD51000051E4219792676103010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hey Russell Alan is on skype: vk2KAW mobile phone: +61408593211 email I think: alanwh at iinet.net.au regards, Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: Russell Gilbert To: SEL Subject: [SEL] Looking for Alan Wheaton from Wagga Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:24:22 +0000 > G'day All, could somebody send me Alan Wheaton from Wagga Wagga's > contact details please > regards Russell > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alanwh at iinet.net.au Sun Oct 12 05:13:35 2008 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan Wheaton) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:13:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Alan Wheaton from Wagga In-Reply-To: <003901c92c58$bc1affc0$0201010a@JBCooper> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081012211306.020b3288@ncable.com.au> <003901c92c58$bc1affc0$0201010a@JBCooper> Message-ID: That is another confusing thing I must meet my other namesake when we go to the national rally :-) Alan Wheaton >From Wagga Wagga -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John & Beryl Cooper Sent: Sunday, 12 October 2008 9:53 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Looking for Alan Wheaton from Wagga Hi Russell, Address for Alan Wheaton for National Rally bookings is >> awheaton at adam.com.au Regards, John Cooper, Bega N.S.W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "SEL" Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Looking for Alan Wheaton from Wagga > > G'day All, could somebody send me Alan Wheaton from Wagga Wagga's > contact details please > regards Russell > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1720 - Release Date: 10/11/2008 3:59 PM _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Oct 12 15:30:15 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:30:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Alan Wheaton from Wagga In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081012211306.020b3288@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081012211306.020b3288@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081013092752.0231b010@ncable.com.au> Thanks everyone for replying. Alan contacted me direct. I meant to ask you the other day Curt but run out of time before we finished chatting. Thanks also to all for the off list replies. regards Russell At 09:14 PM 12/10/2008, you wrote: >G'day All, could somebody send me Alan Wheaton from Wagga Wagga's >contact details please >regards Russell >Russell Gilbert >Sunny Sunraysia >russell at ncable.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From ashpow at westnet.com.au Sun Oct 12 16:27:36 2008 From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (Ash Powell) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:27:36 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia Message-ID: <70A11EE0757A488BA55F9F286B104ABF@MINIBEAST> Hey all I've just joined up and am looking forward to making a start on my first project, when I find one!! I've been restoring old motorcycles for a while now but have lately become interested in these old engines. Where is the best place to find these old beasts? I've been to a couple of swap meets but no luck. Has anyone got an engine they want to sell? I'm in Armidale, Australia. Thanks everyone, look forward to annoying you with stupid questions...haha Ash From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sun Oct 12 17:03:24 2008 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:03:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia References: <70A11EE0757A488BA55F9F286B104ABF@MINIBEAST> Message-ID: <8CF56C8242534E9680885F8D2FFB9E80@your46e94owx6a> Hi Ash, Welcome to the SEL. If you were in the US I would be more than happy to help you out with an engine purchase. There are quite a few from OZ on the list and they can help you with where to go and who to see. For your first engine get one that is complete, doesn't have to work but it all needs to be there. When you are an expert you can buy engines with missing parts as you will be able to better judge how hard the parts are to get or make. Another thing you might consider is a common engine as there are lots of people that can help you out. Hope that helps a little, BTW what state is Armidale in, give us a reference from a bigger city? Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, California U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ash Powell" To: Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia Hey all I've just joined up and am looking forward to making a start on my first project, when I find one!! I've been restoring old motorcycles for a while now but have lately become interested in these old engines. Where is the best place to find these old beasts? I've been to a couple of swap meets but no luck. Has anyone got an engine they want to sell? I'm in Armidale, Australia. Thanks everyone, look forward to annoying you with stupid questions...haha Ash _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1721 - Release Date: 10/12/2008 12:00 PM From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Sun Oct 12 19:20:34 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:20:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia In-Reply-To: <70A11EE0757A488BA55F9F286B104ABF@MINIBEAST> References: <70A11EE0757A488BA55F9F286B104ABF@MINIBEAST> Message-ID: <48F2B072.8080405@rustic-engines.com> Try this mob Ash. > http://www.armidale.nsw.gov.au/communityorgs/printable/2750.html Cheers, Al Harris Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Ash Powell wrote: > Hey all > > I've just joined up and am looking forward to making a start on my first project, when I find one!! > I've been restoring old motorcycles for a while now but have lately become interested in these old engines. > > Where is the best place to find these old beasts? > I've been to a couple of swap meets but no luck. > > Has anyone got an engine they want to sell? > I'm in Armidale, Australia. > > Thanks everyone, look forward to annoying you with stupid questions...haha > > Ash > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Sun Oct 12 18:33:11 2008 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:33:11 +0800 Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia References: <70A11EE0757A488BA55F9F286B104ABF@MINIBEAST> Message-ID: <016301c92cd3$a782f970$210110ac@Chester> Hi Ash, were is Armidale?, if you were in WA i could help, cheers, Chester from West Aus. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ash Powell" To: Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:27 AM Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia > Hey all > > I've just joined up and am looking forward to making a start on my first > project, when I find one!! > I've been restoring old motorcycles for a while now but have lately become > interested in these old engines. > > Where is the best place to find these old beasts? > I've been to a couple of swap meets but no luck. > > Has anyone got an engine they want to sell? > I'm in Armidale, Australia. > > Thanks everyone, look forward to annoying you with stupid questions...haha > > Ash > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gremaux at midrivers.com Sun Oct 12 19:17:57 2008 From: gremaux at midrivers.com (Frank) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:17:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29BA62D8C21046569F4612CC753FEE22@FrankPC> Rick it is 1/4 inch would power Townsend have alligator clips? Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > Franks..what's the thickness of the belt? > > Rickin East Helena > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 8:26 AM > Subject: [SEL] (no subject) > > >> At one time someone on here was in the business of selling flat belt >> fasteners...I have one I need to put in a new splice and wondering where >> I >> can find some >> >> thanks in advance >> >> Frank >> gremaux at midrivers.com >> There is no place like 127.0.0.1 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Oct 12 20:49:19 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:49:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum / IMechE Presentation to JCB In-Reply-To: <6f6025160810091358u7a076a52m1eb57dfde0b72ca1@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160810091358u7a076a52m1eb57dfde0b72ca1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <81FC83D4-7977-4C7E-BBF3-5C1254907764@alltel.net> Hi Peter, Really looking forward to your post of the pictures. I'm looking forward to the day when you get some kind of award/recognition for all you do on your site for all of the rest of us! THANKS!!!!! Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Oct 9, 2008, at 4:58 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > We had an interesting day at the Anson Engine Museum today, on the > occasion of the presentation by the Institute of mechanical Engineers > of an Engineering Heritage Award to JCB, for the Dieselmax engine that > was used in the recent world-speed record for diesel engined vehicles. > > We got there early so had to time to top up our pictures for our own > websites, and also to go round and take notes for those previously > posted that have no or incorrect captions. > > The presentation was a fairly informal affair, set in the diesel > exhibition hall, surrounded by old and new diesel engines of all > types, including the 1st diesel built in the UK and the 3rd diesel in > the world. > > I have some pictures of the ceremony and will get them up on the > websites over the weekend, we've just arrived back home at 10pm having > left this morning early to go to Crewe and Bury first. > > Peter From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun Oct 12 21:09:25 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:09:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia References: <70A11EE0757A488BA55F9F286B104ABF@MINIBEAST> <016301c92cd3$a782f970$210110ac@Chester> Message-ID: Hi Chester, Ash is south west of me and I am just north of Grafton, north coast, NSW. Try here: http://www.armidale.info/ It is about 2.5 to 3 hrs I think from my place, 240kms, have not been there for a few years. Nice place, big University there. I just sold two engines, sorry Ash, but will look around my shed. ;-) Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > Hi Ash, were is Armidale?, if you were in WA i could help, cheers, > Chester from West Aus. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ash Powell" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:27 AM > Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia > > >> Hey all >> >> I've just joined up and am looking forward to making a start on my first >> project, when I find one!! >> I've been restoring old motorcycles for a while now but have lately >> become >> interested in these old engines. >> >> Where is the best place to find these old beasts? >> I've been to a couple of swap meets but no luck. >> >> Has anyone got an engine they want to sell? >> I'm in Armidale, Australia. >> >> Thanks everyone, look forward to annoying you with stupid >> questions...haha >> >> Ash >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Sun Oct 12 23:20:59 2008 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:20:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia References: <70A11EE0757A488BA55F9F286B104ABF@MINIBEAST><016301c92cd3$a782f970$210110ac@Chester> Message-ID: <019901c92cfb$dc30d110$210110ac@Chester> Ok, thanks Peter, the freight kills anything from here, cheers, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia > Hi Chester, > Ash is south west of me and I am just north of Grafton, north coast, NSW. > Try here: > http://www.armidale.info/ > It is about 2.5 to 3 hrs I think from my place, 240kms, have not been > there > for a few years. Nice place, big University there. > I just sold two engines, sorry Ash, but will look around my shed. ;-) > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > > > > > >> Hi Ash, were is Armidale?, if you were in WA i could help, cheers, >> Chester from West Aus. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ash Powell" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:27 AM >> Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia >> >> >>> Hey all >>> >>> I've just joined up and am looking forward to making a start on my first >>> project, when I find one!! >>> I've been restoring old motorcycles for a while now but have lately >>> become >>> interested in these old engines. >>> >>> Where is the best place to find these old beasts? >>> I've been to a couple of swap meets but no luck. >>> >>> Has anyone got an engine they want to sell? >>> I'm in Armidale, Australia. >>> >>> Thanks everyone, look forward to annoying you with stupid >>> questions...haha >>> >>> Ash >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 23:23:57 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:23:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Anson Engine Museum / IMechE Presentation to JCB In-Reply-To: <81FC83D4-7977-4C7E-BBF3-5C1254907764@alltel.net> References: <6f6025160810091358u7a076a52m1eb57dfde0b72ca1@mail.gmail.com> <81FC83D4-7977-4C7E-BBF3-5C1254907764@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160810122323h4abbcc6fp4e64147f17347b69@mail.gmail.com> On 13/10/2008, David Rotigel wrote: > Hi Peter, Really looking forward to your post of the pictures. I'm > looking forward to the day when you get some kind of award/recognition > for all you do on your site for all of the rest of us! THANKS!!!!! > Dave Hi Dave: Pictures are all up and the caption corrections made to the earlier series of museum pictures: http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/AnsonMuseum/Anson08Menu1.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AnsonMuseum/Anson08Menu1.htm (You may like the inverted Crossley engines on menu pages 6 and 7) We have made changes to the display mode for this series of pictures: There are multiple images on some pages where we have more than one shot of a particular item. A lot of the engines have a general view, then we have a close-up of the cylinder head and governor etc. The power station switchboard that we saved from the Kendoon Hydro-Electric station in Scotland has now been assembled and is in one of the shots. Did you get the email re the spanner for the Austral? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Oct 13 02:59:45 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:59:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia References: <70A11EE0757A488BA55F9F286B104ABF@MINIBEAST><016301c92cd3$a782f970$210110ac@Chester> <019901c92cfb$dc30d110$210110ac@Chester> Message-ID: <396840A0F5234AF3BCE1C7622039E406@PETER> Yeah, freight is expensive, I just sent a 4hp Wolseley shearing engine from here to Melbourne, it cost the buyer $250. Maybe treble that or more from WA (that is Western Australia for the Yanks). I thought $250 was OK considering. Peter, Oz > Ok, thanks Peter, the freight kills anything from here, cheers, > Chester. > > >> Hi Chester, >> Ash is south west of me and I am just north of Grafton, north coast, NSW. >> Try here: >> http://www.armidale.info/ >> It is about 2.5 to 3 hrs I think from my place, 240kms, have not been >> there >> for a few years. Nice place, big University there. >> I just sold two engines, sorry Ash, but will look around my shed. ;-) >> >> Regards >> Peter Lowe >> R&V Engine Registrar >> Australia >> Ph: 61-266453455 >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi Ash, were is Armidale?, if you were in WA i could help, cheers, >>> Chester from West Aus. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ash Powell" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:27 AM >>> Subject: [SEL] New here, looking for first project - Australia >>> >>> >>>> Hey all >>>> >>>> I've just joined up and am looking forward to making a start on my >>>> first >>>> project, when I find one!! >>>> I've been restoring old motorcycles for a while now but have lately >>>> become >>>> interested in these old engines. >>>> >>>> Where is the best place to find these old beasts? >>>> I've been to a couple of swap meets but no luck. >>>> >>>> Has anyone got an engine they want to sell? >>>> I'm in Armidale, Australia. >>>> >>>> Thanks everyone, look forward to annoying you with stupid >>>> questions...haha >>>> >>>> Ash >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Oct 13 07:27:03 2008 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:27:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <29BA62D8C21046569F4612CC753FEE22@FrankPC> References: <29BA62D8C21046569F4612CC753FEE22@FrankPC> Message-ID: Frank, I believe I can help ya out. Send your home address to Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Haven't seen them at Power Townsend but I saw them somewhere in Helena. Possibly Bearing Supply or Fastenal. How much of the white stuff ya got? About 3 inches here and may disappear today. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > Rick > it is 1/4 inch > > would power Townsend have alligator clips? > > Frank > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 4:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] (no subject) > > > > Franks..what's the thickness of the belt? > > > > Rickin East Helena > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Frank" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 8:26 AM > > Subject: [SEL] (no subject) > > > > > >> At one time someone on here was in the business of selling flat belt > >> fasteners...I have one I need to put in a new splice and wondering > >> where > >> I > >> can find some > >> > >> thanks in advance > >> > >> Frank > >> gremaux at midrivers.com > >> There is no place like 127.0.0.1 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ashpow at westnet.com.au Mon Oct 13 18:23:24 2008 From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (Ash Powell) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:23:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Re. New here Message-ID: Thanks to everyone! Yeah Armidale is on the Northern Tablelands of NSW. I've sent Emails to a couple of the local club members but am yet to receive a reply, ill jump on the phone at some point. Definitely good advice Jim, both in terms of completeness and being common. I've got a couple of more obscure Japanese motorbikes that are extremely difficult to get parts/info for, slows things down big time. That said I am open to anything at this point since ive had a hard time finding something to start on! Ash From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 14 06:55:51 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:55:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] The SEL B17 Bomber- Buzzcoil story Message-ID: <006d01c92e04$920b22c0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I keep getting these notices and have no idea whom the "mod" might be . Spence ? Anyway ,the posts dont get approved , and you cats are missing out on fun stories , wonderful door prizes , and free beer . ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Your mail to 'SEL' with the subject So my ol' lady bought me a seat on a B17 Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Message has implicit destination Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Oct 14 09:02:14 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:02:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] The SEL B17 Bomber- Buzzcoil story In-Reply-To: <006d01c92e04$920b22c0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> References: <006d01c92e04$920b22c0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <39399857-845B-48DD-9F74-0E385D0B5CC3@rustyiron.com> Mr. Chuck, It means that you must explicitly name the recipient as sel at lists.stationary-engine.com in either the "to" or "cc" field of your email. Rob On Oct 14, 2008, at 6:55 AM, Chuck Balyeat wrote: > I keep getting these notices and have no idea whom the "mod" might > be . Spence ? > Anyway ,the posts dont get approved , and you cats are missing out > on fun stories , > wonderful door prizes , and free beer . > ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > Your mail to 'SEL' with the subject > > So my ol' lady bought me a seat on a B17 > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > > The reason it is being held: > > Message has implicit destination > > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive > notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel > this posting, please visit the following URL From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 14 11:15:55 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:15:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Your message to SEL awaits moderator approval References: Message-ID: <002f01c92e28$e6fed640$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> AHahahahahahaha . Welcome to 1984 . But you guys and gals are worth it . > Your mail to 'SEL' with the subject > > So my ol' Lady bought me a seat on a B17G > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > > The reason it is being held: > > Message body is too big: 16451 bytes with a limit of 15 KB > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 14 11:16:41 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:16:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] B17 with buzzcoil trouble Message-ID: <003c01c92e29$02dbdcf0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> The liberty Belle was in Corpus Christi Sunday ,and she might be in Austin by now .. maybe . I plunk my Edwardian Era engine addicted butt down in the radioman's seat . Ethernet connetion ? That aint original . They start lighting off the engines when I notice the guy sitting across the plane is a long time customer at my parts store about an hour away , and as per his custom , is drunker than Cooter Brown and yelling" DONT I KNOW YOU FROM SOMEWHERE ??"". Gimme a break , I cant go anywhere . I stick my head out of the gaping hole in the top of the radio room ..smells good , lots of oil burning , mmmmm rich too . My arms are going full tilt with goosebumps . So I sit down and channel that wee shot of adrenaline into a feeble attempt at imagining the welling panic and fear of 88's and Me's . Just how much what I now have cost those that came before me . Incredibly humbling . I look outside and he's still spinning # 2 but it isnt cooperating . A couple of minutes later the engines start conking out ..one... two.. three . Silence punctuated by a couple of uh-oh's . The pilot is telling the CP he thinks it's the spark booster and then comes back through the bomb bay " Sorry folks but the number 2 engine isnt starting and we will have to deplane ." Smart ass in radio room : " You mean we just got derailed by a model T buzz coil ." He grins at the SAOD (smart ass on duty) and says " That would describe our situation ..PRECISELY ! " pointing at my nose . " We'll get her running in 15 minutes . Let's go " So we hung around the lobby in Atlantic Aviation scarfing down all their pretzels and free coffee. I was inquiring into how much it would cost to wash and wax "my Beech" pointing at the twin engine jet behind her through the window . $75 to wash and 100 wax , quite the bargain actually , when a very agitated mechanic wearing Liberty Belle gear bellies up to the bar next to me . "Where's the closest auto parts store ? " Gimme a break , I can't go anywhere . She hands him a phone book and he starts to fan through it at a rapid rate . Wait for it . Timing . Wait ... he finds the A's ...finds the page ...wait for it.. finger is sliding up and down ..and ...it stops on AutoZone . That's my cue . " Hard to find a real parts house anymore . Lots of nittwittery afoot . What do you need ? " He chuckles in agreement "Just contact cleaner " Well hell , go down to the last hangar to the HALO life flight and ask for Sonny . He'll give you a can of contact cleaner .Tell him "Chuck said " "The HALO guys are here ? " "HALO's here , they were just here getting coffee and went thataway " "That's a LOT closer ! " Slap , thump goes the phonebook and he's off like a fart in a whirlwind . I buff my nails on the front of my Bessemer T-shirt . To be continued From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 14 11:17:43 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:17:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_B17_Pt2?= Message-ID: <004501c92e29$279ac100$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> So anyway , I spent 2+ hours quietly crouched behind the tire and then in the bombardiers seat studiously watching and listening as these guys test the same half dozen circuits with the same switch in umpteen positions(on three cell phones with the actual mechanic )over and over and over and over .... until they got all wrapped around the axle .(10X better than flying around in it by my estimate ) This all didnt start at 2pm and by 5:30 everybody had left and just then wandered off somewhere and it was just me and him in the plane . " I just dont get it , we have fire and fuel .. it HAS TO RUN !" Are you talking to me ? I hadnt said a word since I came back outside nor touched anything , it just aint proper . But it seemed as if someone was asking my opinion . "Well , first thing to remember is that all engines are female and if I may say so ...To a hardcore motorhead like me ,this little situation was 10x better than anything I could have imagined ." He laughs a sarcastic "Thanks " " I have been watching closely and they tested that output lead on the spark booster at least 10 times for continutiy , so I can see why they are frustrated ." Says I . "Yeah , and it has a good spark when you energize it , grounds are open when they should be , mags are sparking , got fuel , it HAS to go." says he . " No it doesnt , you have already forgotten it's a she . It doesnt HAVE to do anything really And that high dollar model T coil that's been jacking you up has a high potential circuit , maybe 20or 30 thousand volts . If you have a perforation in the insulation , it could be leaking to ground when it has to actually jump a spark in the combustion chamber . A spark in open air ....... she eesenozeesame as a spark in the cylinder . " says I . "Come back on that again . " says he "They checked it for continuity , but that's like rolling a marble down a hydraulic hose to see if it will leak when you put 10,000 PSI through it . The marble will certainly fall out the other end , there's your continuity, but that doesnt prove if there is a hole in the hose " " Ahhhhhhh ...yeaaaaaaaah.. ...are you an aircraft mechanic ? " He had that tone I have heard a million times that says ...can YOU fix my car ? I laugh "Not exactly , tell ya what , You spin her up and hit the booster , I will spit on my hand and run it up and down the wire , if it bites me we found your problem . (I am quite certain that he had no more of an idea if it were inside conduit than I did , but I bet it is .) He busts out laughing , "Are you volunteering ?" "Are you gonna take me for a ride if we get it running ? I got a roll of plug wire and buzzcoils in the truck ." Crestfallen ,as he oviously wanted to go flying , he says , "Nah we need a plane full. " "Well screw that then . " We had a good laugh and I split . I am quite sure that I was the only one positively thrilled it wouldnt fly , and very dissapointed I didnt go home all greased up..... again . I have absolutely no idea what could have been wrong with it , but I am certainly going to find out . And I gotta remember to try and sell Sonny some more CRC , so he can bitch me out for "giving away his last can . " Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From james.kangas at timken.com Tue Oct 14 12:43:53 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:43:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Your message to SEL awaits moderator approval References: <002f01c92e28$e6fed640$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: And I thought I was the only one that this happens to.All of mine were not approved so my post to the list never showed up. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Chuck Balyeat Sent: Tue 10/14/2008 2:15 PM To: SEL Subject: Re: [SEL] Your message to SEL awaits moderator approval AHahahahahahaha . Welcome to 1984 . But you guys and gals are worth it . > Your mail to 'SEL' with the subject > > So my ol' Lady bought me a seat on a B17G > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > > The reason it is being held: > > Message body is too big: 16451 bytes with a limit of 15 KB > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Oct 14 15:05:25 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:05:25 +1100 Subject: [SEL] B17 Pt2 and where is the rest References: <004501c92e29$279ac100$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Message-ID: <398862E3B3D84C3B8F1A3346BA85FB9C@PETER> Oh, come on Chuck, there HAS to be a part 3 where you get in running, I am on the edge of my seat here 10,000 miles away. Peter, Oz From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Oct 17 15:46:05 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:46:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] belly up! Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081018094449.020b5738@ncable.com.au> Gee it's awfully quiet you guys over the pond. Has your service provider gone belly up or somehting. Surely it ain't to cold yet for all motion to stop. Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Oct 17 16:08:02 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:08:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] early xmas present Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081018100620.022e30e8@ncable.com.au> Hey you guys heres something you don't find every day! perhaps every second day :-) checkout item NO: 300266575920 http://cgi.ebay.com.au/John-Deere-1-1-2-hp-type-E-Stationary-Engine-RARE_W0QQitemZ300266575920QQihZ020QQcategoryZ146575QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Oct 17 16:17:27 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:17:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] belly up! In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081018094449.020b5738@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081018094449.020b5738@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <2441CC6E-5E3D-4A9A-8BD4-BDC62C2237B3@rustyiron.com> On Oct 17, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Gee it's awfully quiet you guys over the pond. Has your service > provider gone belly up or somehting. Surely it ain't to cold yet for > all motion to stop. Cold? It's been in the 90's, mate! It's perfect weather for riding trails and running engines, that's why we have no time to post here. Rob From kimmell at verizon.net Sat Oct 18 17:57:57 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 19:57:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] early xmas present In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081018100620.022e30e8@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081018100620.022e30e8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <0K8W0006RTB4R9J1@vms172071.mailsrvcs.net> Man, I take it those God awful things are just as common over in Austrailia? What does $4000 AU convert to in US dollars? -Tony At 06:08 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote: >Hey you guys heres something you don't find every day! perhaps every >second day :-) checkout item NO: 300266575920 > >http://cgi.ebay.com.au/John-Deere-1-1-2-hp-type-E-Stationary-Engine-RARE_W0QQitemZ300266575920QQihZ020QQcategoryZ146575QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >Russell >Russell Gilbert >Sunny Sunraysia >russell at ncable.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Fri Oct 17 19:03:59 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:03:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] [BULK] Re: early xmas present In-Reply-To: <0K8W0006RTB4R9J1@vms172071.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000401c930c5$c941e800$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> About $2760. Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tony & Jackie Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 11:58 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [BULK] Re: [SEL] early xmas present Importance: Low Man, I take it those God awful things are just as common over in Austrailia? What does $4000 AU convert to in US dollars? -Tony At 06:08 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote: >Hey you guys heres something you don't find every day! perhaps every >second day :-) checkout item NO: 300266575920 > >http://cgi.ebay.com.au/John-Deere-1-1-2-hp-type-E-Stationary-Engine-RARE_W0 QQitemZ300266575920QQihZ020QQcategoryZ146575QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVie wItem > >Russell >Russell Gilbert >Sunny Sunraysia >russell at ncable.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1708 - Release Date: 4/10/2008 11:35 AM From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Oct 17 19:18:30 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:18:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] early xmas present In-Reply-To: <0K8W0006RTB4R9J1@vms172071.mailsrvcs.net> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081018100620.022e30e8@ncable.com.au> <0K8W0006RTB4R9J1@vms172071.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: TOO DAMN MUCH to give for something in the MAYTAG catagory! Dave On Oct 18, 2008, at 8:57 PM, Tony & Jackie wrote: > What does $4000 AU convert to in US dollars? > > -Tony > > > At 06:08 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote: >> Hey you guys heres something you don't find every day! perhaps every >> second day :-) checkout item NO: 300266575920 >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/John-Deere-1-1-2-hp-type-E-Stationary-Engine-RARE_W0QQitemZ300266575920QQihZ020QQcategoryZ146575QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >> Russell From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Oct 17 22:56:00 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:56:00 +0100 Subject: [SEL] belly up! In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081018094449.020b5738@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081018094449.020b5738@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <6f6025160810172256l49d8abcdgb5ecd2cd9d26dd5@mail.gmail.com> On 17/10/2008, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Gee it's awfully quiet you guys over the pond. Has your service > provider gone belly up or somehting. Surely it ain't to cold yet for > all motion to stop. > Russell We are enjoying excellent weather and some rather nice Plum sake, in San Francisco. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Oct 17 23:21:02 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:21:02 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Red Bronze question Message-ID: Hi all, I bought a fuel pump casting for my R&V vertical (thanks to friends in California) and it is cast from what our friends across the pond call 'Red Bronze". Now I guess that some of you would say that brass is brass and bronze is bronze, no. All the bronze I have here is slightly darker than normal brass, but this casting has a red tinge to it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my%20fuel%20pump.htm I had to drill three holes into the casting to create the bypass tube as no core was used when casting the pump. The original R&V pump had a core to create this bypass when casting. The 3 holes I drilled, 1/4", need to be plugged up. Does anyone have any 5/16" red brass rod about 10" long they want to sell? If I use the bronze I have here you will see the plug hole, does it matter you say, well to me it does !!! ;-) Now. if I had some aussie bronze and melted it down, could I add some copper to increase the redness??? If anyone can help please contact me here OFF LIST: plowe at exemail.com.au Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Oct 18 03:07:04 2008 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:07:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Red Bronze question Message-ID: <101820081007.12500.48F9B5480009713D000030D4219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hey Pete I ve got the perfect solution for your matching the red bronze. Buy your self a cheap pair of rosie red sunglasses and you won't see the difference mate. Curt ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine.org" Subject: [SEL] Red Bronze question Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:24:08 +0000 > Hi all, > > I bought a fuel pump casting for my R&V vertical (thanks to friends in > California) and it is cast from what our friends across the pond call 'Red > Bronze". > Now I guess that some of you would say that brass is brass and bronze is bronze, > no. > All the bronze I have here is slightly darker than normal brass, but this > casting has a red tinge to it. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my%20fuel%20pump.htm > I had to drill three holes into the casting to create the bypass tube as no core > was used when casting the pump. The original R&V pump had a core to create this > bypass when casting. > The 3 holes I drilled, 1/4", need to be plugged up. Does anyone have any 5/16" > red brass rod about 10" long they want to sell? > If I use the bronze I have here you will see the plug hole, does it matter you > say, well to me it does !!! ;-) > > Now. if I had some aussie bronze and melted it down, could I add some copper to > increase the redness??? > > If anyone can help please contact me here OFF LIST: > plowe at exemail.com.au > > > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sat Oct 18 15:29:00 2008 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:29:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Goold Shapley Muir Message-ID: <410-220081061822290265@earthlink.net> Who is the expert on these engines? I picked up one today and know nothing more than what is in the BYB and what is on the tag. It is a 1 1/2 hp square tank upright with ignitor. It says it was made in Brantford Canada but has a hand hole cover on it that says Ideal. It looks to be fully complete and with just a bit of oil on a few moving parts I do think it would fire up. Also would like to know what the color should be, this one is painted Red. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas > [Original Message] > From: > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 10/18/2008 5:07:06 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Red Bronze question > > Hey Pete I ve got the perfect solution for your matching the red bronze. > Buy your self a cheap pair of rosie red sunglasses and you won't see the > difference mate. > Curt > > > ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- > From: "Peter Lowe" > To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine.org" > Subject: [SEL] Red Bronze question > Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:24:08 +0000 > > > Hi all, > > > > I bought a fuel pump casting for my R&V vertical (thanks to friends in > > California) and it is cast from what our friends across the pond call 'Red > > Bronze". > > Now I guess that some of you would say that brass is brass and bronze is bronze, > > no. > > All the bronze I have here is slightly darker than normal brass, but this > > casting has a red tinge to it. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my%20fuel%20pump.htm > > I had to drill three holes into the casting to create the bypass tube as no core > > was used when casting the pump. The original R&V pump had a core to create this > > bypass when casting. > > The 3 holes I drilled, 1/4", need to be plugged up. Does anyone have any 5/16" > > red brass rod about 10" long they want to sell? > > If I use the bronze I have here you will see the plug hole, does it matter you > > say, well to me it does !!! ;-) > > > > Now. if I had some aussie bronze and melted it down, could I add some copper to > > increase the redness??? > > > > If anyone can help please contact me here OFF LIST: > > plowe at exemail.com.au > > > > > > > > Regards > > Peter Lowe > > R&V Engine Registrar > > Australia > > Ph: 61-266453455 > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sat Oct 18 15:47:11 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:47:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Goold Shapley Muir References: <410-220081061822290265@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0F15C0A96F94405E9555D64D005CB034@PETER> Mr Skinner of Kalifornia Peter, Oz > Who is the expert on these engines? I picked up one today and know > nothing > more than what is in the BYB and what is on the tag. It is a 1 1/2 hp > square tank upright with ignitor. It says it was made in Brantford Canada > but has a hand hole cover on it that says Ideal. It looks to be fully > complete and with just a bit of oil on a few moving parts I do think it > would fire up. Also would like to know what the color should be, this one > is painted Red. > > Tim Christoff > Basehor Kansas > > >> [Original Message] >> From: >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 10/18/2008 5:07:06 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Red Bronze question >> >> Hey Pete I ve got the perfect solution for your matching the red bronze. >> Buy your self a cheap pair of rosie red sunglasses and you won't see the >> difference mate. >> Curt >> >> >> ---------------------- Original Message: --------------------- >> From: "Peter Lowe" >> To: "ATIS" , "Oldengine.org" > >> Subject: [SEL] Red Bronze question >> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:24:08 +0000 >> >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I bought a fuel pump casting for my R&V vertical (thanks to friends in >> > California) and it is cast from what our friends across the pond call > 'Red >> > Bronze". >> > Now I guess that some of you would say that brass is brass and bronze > is bronze, >> > no. >> > All the bronze I have here is slightly darker than normal brass, but > this >> > casting has a red tinge to it. >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my%20fuel%20pump.htm >> > I had to drill three holes into the casting to create the bypass tube > as no core >> > was used when casting the pump. The original R&V pump had a core to > create this >> > bypass when casting. >> > The 3 holes I drilled, 1/4", need to be plugged up. Does anyone have > any 5/16" >> > red brass rod about 10" long they want to sell? >> > If I use the bronze I have here you will see the plug hole, does it > matter you >> > say, well to me it does !!! ;-) >> > >> > Now. if I had some aussie bronze and melted it down, could I add some > copper to >> > increase the redness??? >> > >> > If anyone can help please contact me here OFF LIST: >> > plowe at exemail.com.au >> > >> > >> > >> > Regards >> > Peter Lowe >> > R&V Engine Registrar >> > Australia >> > Ph: 61-266453455 >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kimmell at verizon.net Sun Oct 19 16:58:17 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:58:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] early xmas present In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081018100620.022e30e8@ncable.com.au> <0K8W0006RTB4R9J1@vms172071.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <0K8Y00G56L7PN6K0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> I didn't think the Maytags were THAT common!!! -Tony At 09:18 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote: >TOO DAMN MUCH to give for something in the MAYTAG catagory! > Dave From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Oct 18 23:11:42 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:11:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Cambelltown Pics Message-ID: <0BC55EDD56EA4EAABEFB23171B0E7ADE@PML> I popped out to Cambelltown Steam Museum for a quick look this morning. I have put some pics up at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/camoct08/index.htm Sorry, no captions yet :( Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Oct 19 14:01:14 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:01:14 +1100 Subject: [SEL] early xmas present In-Reply-To: <0K8W0006RTB4R9J1@vms172071.mailsrvcs.net> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081018100620.022e30e8@ncable.com.au> <0K8W0006RTB4R9J1@vms172071.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081020075956.022e8ad8@ncable.com.au> Tony if someone was silly enough to pay that much I recon you could see a dozen of them rare JD,s get snapped up and sent here for more xmas presents At 11:57 AM 19/10/2008, you wrote: >Man, I take it those God awful things are just as common over in >Austrailia? What does $4000 AU convert to in US dollars? > >-Tony > > >At 06:08 PM 10/17/2008, you wrote: > >Hey you guys heres something you don't find every day! perhaps every > >second day :-) checkout item NO: 300266575920 > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com.au/John-Deere-1-1-2-hp-type-E-Stationary-Engine > -RARE_W0QQitemZ300266575920QQihZ020QQcategoryZ146575QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > >Russell > >Russell Gilbert > >Sunny Sunraysia > >russell at ncable.com.au > >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Oct 19 19:57:23 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:57:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube Message-ID: Hi All, I have uploaded several videos taken at the Cotton Ginning Days show last weekend. Most are of the drag (log) sawing that went on at the show. However, I've included a tribute to the Royster brothers for their attempts to get their engines running and thus be able to be a part of the show! All this can be seen at: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f I'm not sure the Royster brothers unsuccessful attempt is up as yet--but it should be soon. When it is, I'll upload several videos of kids using the hand water pumps and the bubbles that they made. Dave PS, Thanks to Cure for arranging all this and to Missy for the food! From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Oct 20 00:29:42 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:29:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081020182846.022f0cc0@ncable.com.au> Dave I was just trying to work out how many I could drink in between needing to re-set the saw for the next sectioon of wood cutting?? At 01:57 PM 20/10/2008, you wrote: >Hi All, > I have uploaded several videos taken at the Cotton Ginning > Days show >last weekend. Most are of the drag (log) sawing that went on at the >show. However, I've included a tribute to the Royster brothers for >their attempts to get their engines running and thus be able to be a >part of the show! All this can be seen at: >http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f > > I'm not sure the Royster brothers unsuccessful attempt is up as >yet--but it should be soon. When it is, I'll upload several videos of >kids using the hand water pumps and the bubbles that they made. > Dave >PS, Thanks to Cure for arranging all this and to Missy for the food! > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Oct 20 00:31:43 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:31:43 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081020183109.022ecb78@ncable.com.au> Also I don't recon Curt has ever cut much timber wearing those overalls! At 01:57 PM 20/10/2008, you wrote: >Hi All, > I have uploaded several videos taken at the Cotton Ginning > Days show >last weekend. Most are of the drag (log) sawing that went on at the >show. However, I've included a tribute to the Royster brothers for >their attempts to get their engines running and thus be able to be a >part of the show! All this can be seen at: >http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f > > I'm not sure the Royster brothers unsuccessful attempt is up as >yet--but it should be soon. When it is, I'll upload several videos of >kids using the hand water pumps and the bubbles that they made. > Dave >PS, Thanks to Cure for arranging all this and to Missy for the food! > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Oct 20 00:59:10 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:59:10 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88E0BA1B48EF4E70B2740339FD1E5311@KerryPC> Thanks Dave, looks fantastic, something we do not see down here (hurt one child) idiots that run our lot :-(( Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Oct 20 03:40:06 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:40:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube References: Message-ID: <001001c932a0$38144b20$726f4b47@mikecomp> Now I don't care who you are, that's funny! Way to go Dave in exposing what really goes on at an engine show! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; "Antique tractor email discussion group" Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube > Hi All, > I have uploaded several videos taken at the Cotton Ginning Days show > last weekend. Most are of the drag (log) sawing that went on at the > show. However, I've included a tribute to the Royster brothers for > their attempts to get their engines running and thus be able to be a > part of the show! All this can be seen at: > http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f > I'm not sure the Royster brothers unsuccessful attempt is up as > yet--but it should be soon. When it is, I'll upload several videos of > kids using the hand water pumps and the bubbles that they made. > Dave > PS, Thanks to Cure for arranging all this and to Missy for the food! > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jbcast at charter.net Mon Oct 20 05:33:47 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 8:33:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: <001001c932a0$38144b20$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <20081020083347.VAJA4.341998.root@mp16> Enjoyed the dragsaw videos Dave, the first time I aw Dickie GIbbens running his Ottowa I told him " there aint nothin on there that can't hurt you". J.B. Castagnos From edurand at mchsi.com Mon Oct 20 08:03:33 2008 From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:03:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: <20081020083347.VAJA4.341998.root@mp16> Message-ID: J.B.: I've heard drag saws referred to as "Widow Makers". What the safety police don't understand is just how much labor they save!............ .........That is, if and when you get 'em started. :-) Take care - Elden http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of > jbcast at charter.net > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 07:34 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 > VIDEOS on You Tube > > > > Enjoyed the dragsaw videos Dave, the first time I > aw Dickie GIbbens running his Ottowa I told him " > there aint nothin on there that can't hurt you". > J.B. Castagnos From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Oct 20 07:40:13 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:40:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081020182846.022f0cc0@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081020182846.022f0cc0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <1224513613.48fc984d2a026@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Russell, I keep telling these log saw guys that they're running their engines WAY too fast for that exact reason. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Russell Gilbert : > Dave I was just trying to work out how many I could drink in between > needing to re-set the saw for the next sectioon of wood cutting?? From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Oct 20 08:54:55 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:54:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081020182846.022f0cc0@ncable.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.1.20081020182846.022f0cc0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <247CE5C3-2B2C-46FD-BE40-EC7413D541BD@alltel.net> The first year I saw "Dub" using his log saw at Cotton Ginning an "older" guy came up to him after everything was pretty well shut down and asked if he could feel the blade. Upon doing so, he said to Dub, "That blade could sure use a sharpening." To which Dub replied, "Every time it goes through a log I have to move the saw. It's just now getting almost dull enough to suit me!" Dave On Oct 20, 2008, at 3:29 AM, Russell Gilbert wrote: > Dave I was just trying to work out how many I could drink in between > needing to re-set the saw for the next sectioon of wood cutting?? > > > At 01:57 PM 20/10/2008, you wrote: >> Hi All, >> I have uploaded several videos taken at the Cotton Ginning >> Days show >> last weekend. Most are of the drag (log) sawing that went on at the >> show. However, I've included a tribute to the Royster brothers for >> their attempts to get their engines running and thus be able to be a >> part of the show! All this can be seen at: >> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f >> >> I'm not sure the Royster brothers unsuccessful attempt is up as >> yet--but it should be soon. When it is, I'll upload several videos of >> kids using the hand water pumps and the bubbles that they made. >> Dave >> PS, Thanks to Cure for arranging all this and to Missy for the food! >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Oct 20 08:56:07 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:56:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: <88E0BA1B48EF4E70B2740339FD1E5311@KerryPC> References: <88E0BA1B48EF4E70B2740339FD1E5311@KerryPC> Message-ID: <43E89287-C6FB-4B13-BA2D-F948E132D2E6@alltel.net> Hey, We had a yellow (plastic) chain up--what more could anyone want? Dave On Oct 20, 2008, at 3:59 AM, Kerry wrote: > Thanks Dave, looks fantastic, something we do not see down here > (hurt one > child) idiots that run our lot :-(( > > Kerry From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Oct 20 08:56:48 2008 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:56:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: <001001c932a0$38144b20$726f4b47@mikecomp> References: <001001c932a0$38144b20$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: <48FCAA40.1080705@insulate.co.uk> Did Steve buy his engine from you, Mike, cos his isn't running either? Dolly Mike Royster wrote: > Now I don't care who you are, that's funny! Way to go Dave in exposing what > really goes on at an engine show! > > Mike Royster > >> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f >> I'm not sure the Royster brothers unsuccessful attempt is up as >> yet--but it should be soon. From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Oct 20 10:40:27 2008 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:40:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube Message-ID: <19975697.745861224524427711.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web17-z02> No, none of Steve's engines run, that is why they are called "Stationary Engines"!!!! ---- Jim French wrote: > Did Steve buy his engine from you, Mike, cos his isn't running either? > > Dolly > > Mike Royster wrote: > > Now I don't care who you are, that's funny! Way to go Dave in exposing what > > really goes on at an engine show! > > > > Mike Royster > > > >> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f > >> I'm not sure the Royster brothers unsuccessful attempt is up as > >> yet--but it should be soon. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Oct 20 11:18:15 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:18:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: <001001c932a0$38144b20$726f4b47@mikecomp> References: <001001c932a0$38144b20$726f4b47@mikecomp> Message-ID: Actually, My engines ran flawlessly, However, my brothers were a wreck and would hardly run at all so out of brotherly love I PRETENDED to be having engine trouble also! Come to Arden this weekend and see the real truth! Steve, the good Royster > From: mr at carolina.rr.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:40:06 -0400> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube> > Now I don't care who you are, that's funny! Way to go Dave in exposing what > really goes on at an engine show!> > Mike Royster> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; > "Antique tractor email discussion group" > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:57 PM> Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube> > > > Hi All,> > I have uploaded several videos taken at the Cotton Ginning Days show> > last weekend. Most are of the drag (log) sawing that went on at the> > show. However, I've included a tribute to the Royster brothers for> > their attempts to get their engines running and thus be able to be a> > part of the show! All this can be seen at: > > http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f> > I'm not sure the Royster brothers unsuccessful attempt is up as> > yet--but it should be soon. When it is, I'll upload several videos of> > kids using the hand water pumps and the bubbles that they made.> > Dave> > PS, Thanks to Cure for arranging all this and to Missy for the food!> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298556/direct/01/ From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon Oct 20 12:55:38 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:55:38 +0100 Subject: [SEL] cotton ginning days 2008 Message-ID: <80BED63241A44BBAB25CF876BA973A33@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Dave, Just watched your you tube clips , it was nice to some familiar faces obviously enjoying themselves . I would have thought with all the millions of dollars that they have the Royster brothers would have brought engines that actually would run with out a rally field rebuild ( that is if they run at all ( ha- ha-ha)) Who knows it could have been a bad batch of lubricating oil that caused there problems or even no gas in the tanks ( it has been known to happen that way). Cheers , Craig From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Oct 20 14:06:26 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:06:26 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube Message-ID: In a message dated 10/20/2008 1:43:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mr at carolina.rr.com writes: No, none of Steve's engines run, that is why they are called "Stationary Engines"!!!! Poor Steve, He started out the year in April at Reidsville, NC with his engine not running, and finished up the year doing the same thing! Probably not a coincidence! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Oct 20 14:17:42 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:17:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: <19975697.745861224524427711.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web17-z02> References: <19975697.745861224524427711.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web17-z02> Message-ID: <1224537462.48fcf576e30f8@webmail.city-net.com> Bless his heart... Quoting mr at carolina.rr.com: > No, none of Steve's engines run, that is why they are called "Stationary > Engines"!!!! From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Oct 20 15:36:42 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:36:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 Message-ID: <67E47F4D-6FB8-4118-A4C0-8DAEC6011C0D@alltel.net> Hi All, I have up loaded some videos taken at the Cotton Ginning Days last weekend to YOU TUBE. Most are of the drag (log) sawing that went on for the duration of the show. However, I have included a SPECIAL tribute to the Royster brothers who came and tried so hard to have their engines part of what was running at the show. (That video may not be posted as yet, but it will be up soon.) See: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f for what is there thus far. I'm sure that this is the ONLY engine show that has ever had six (6) drag saws operating at the same time! Once I'm sure the Royster brothers efforts have been posted on YOU TUBE, I'll put up some videos of the water pumping at CGD. Dave PS, The water pumping videos have now been uploaded and should be viewable at: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f as well From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Oct 20 16:09:25 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:09:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Now Tom, Let's not go there! Whose big old IHC engine has to be worked on every year at Reidsville????? and fyi the McVickers now runs perfectly. Yer Pal , Steve > From: Germoamer at aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:06:26 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 VIDEOS on You Tube> > > In a message dated 10/20/2008 1:43:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mr at carolina.rr.com writes:> > No, none of Steve's engines run, that is why they are called "Stationary > Engines"!!!!> > > > > Poor Steve,> > He started out the year in April at Reidsville, NC with his engine not > running, and finished up the year doing the same thing! Probably not a > coincidence! > > Tom Schmutz> Concord, Va.> germoamer at AOL.com> > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive. http://skydrive.live.com/welcome.aspx?provision=1?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_102008 From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue Oct 21 10:56:05 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:56:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] gas engine magazine Message-ID: <55239CF6006B47F5AA550932C78D8AF9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi All, I was wondering if anyone has got there magazine , if so ours must be on its way across the pond . Craig From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Tue Oct 21 11:34:56 2008 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:34:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] gas engine magazine In-Reply-To: <55239CF6006B47F5AA550932C78D8AF9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <55239CF6006B47F5AA550932C78D8AF9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: I got mine back in Sept Tom Winland Ohio> From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:56:05 +0100> Subject: [SEL] gas engine magazine> > Hi All,> > I was wondering if anyone has got there magazine , if so ours must be on its way across the pond .> > Craig> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue Oct 21 15:17:19 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:17:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] gas engine magazine References: <55239CF6006B47F5AA550932C78D8AF9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <18FA96E9479E42BF910654C64A1EFDD7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Should have said it is the October / November edition I'm meaning . Thanks, Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:56 PM Subject: [SEL] gas engine magazine > Hi All, > > I was wondering if anyone has got there magazine , if so ours must > be on its way across the pond . > > Craig > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Oct 21 15:53:58 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:53:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] gas engine magazine In-Reply-To: <18FA96E9479E42BF910654C64A1EFDD7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <55239CF6006B47F5AA550932C78D8AF9@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <18FA96E9479E42BF910654C64A1EFDD7@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <48CFB685-8087-498A-8B6E-7F2204D0C1B1@alltel.net> Hi Craig, Mine arrived about 1 1/2 weeks ago. Dave On Oct 21, 2008, at 6:17 PM, craig morrison wrote: > Should have said it is the October / November edition I'm meaning . > Thanks, Craig > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "craig morrison" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:56 PM > Subject: [SEL] gas engine magazine > > >> Hi All, >> >> I was wondering if anyone has got there magazine , if so ours >> must >> be on its way across the pond . >> >> Craig >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 21 20:43:27 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:43:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 In-Reply-To: <67E47F4D-6FB8-4118-A4C0-8DAEC6011C0D@alltel.net> References: <67E47F4D-6FB8-4118-A4C0-8DAEC6011C0D@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1224647007.48fea15f13f53@webmail.city-net.com> ROFLMAO!! Bless their hearts. And a Five Star Rating too. So, Steve, which STATIONARY engine was that you had on display at Cotton Ginning Days? See ya, Arnie Quoting David Rotigel : > However, I have included a SPECIAL > tribute to the Royster brothers who came and tried so hard to have > their engines part of what was running at the show. > See: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Oct 22 04:43:44 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:43:44 EDT Subject: [SEL] Auction Message-ID: Speaking of the October issue of GEM, anybody going to the Rentzel auction the 25th that is listed on the back? Going to be some nice engines and other stuff sold there. Be nice to know what they bring. www.rentzelsauctionservice.com Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Oct 22 06:13:15 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:13:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Auction References: Message-ID: <43BF4776BF8446A3B90295070AA272D8@PETER> Look like he was not a serious collector, no R&V's in his collection (Smile) Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > Speaking of the October issue of GEM, anybody going to the Rentzel > auction > the 25th that is listed on the back? Going to be some nice engines and > other > stuff sold there. Be nice to know what they bring. > > www.rentzelsauctionservice.com > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at AOL.com From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 22 09:55:52 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:55:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] B17G and the diabli- diabolll dia-- Message-ID: <003501c93467$0ca203b0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Just got a call , that B17G was flooded and a Stearman just showed up, also for hire . From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed Oct 22 12:49:02 2008 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:49:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008 In-Reply-To: <1224647007.48fea15f13f53@webmail.city-net.com> References: <67E47F4D-6FB8-4118-A4C0-8DAEC6011C0D@alltel.net> <1224647007.48fea15f13f53@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Arnie, as I said before .... MY engines ran flawlessly. I was only pretending to tighten the wrist pin on the Woodpecker so Mike wouldn't feel bad about his engines NOT running! Steve , the kind and caring brother! > Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:43:27 -0400> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days 2008> > ROFLMAO!! Bless their hearts. And a Five Star Rating too.> > So, Steve, which STATIONARY engine was that you had on display at Cotton Ginning> Days?> > See ya, Arnie> > Quoting David Rotigel :> > > However, I have included a SPECIAL > > tribute to the Royster brothers who came and tried so hard to have > > their engines part of what was running at the show. > > See:> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cotton+ginning+days&search_type=&aq=f> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Oct 22 18:46:45 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:46:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous fuel pump for sale? Message-ID: <01685950C47647749B5C5B4051DE389E@PETER> Hi All I bought a fuel pump for an IHC Famous vertical for a mate of mine for a favour he did me. I ordered the wrong one, so if anyone needs a fuel pump they can have it for what it cost me. Have a look here http://members.aol.com/agee1/Misc_Parts.html, it is part G-1548 on Don's List, made of cast iron. Email here if interested and we can deal plowe at exemail.com.au It would suit an Aussie buyer as postage if expensive, I know, I bought this from Don in the USA. I will sell at cost of pump minus the postage. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Oct 22 21:30:27 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:30:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Novo mystery engine Message-ID: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> First , Thanks for the information on digital cameras. I bought a Sony DSC H50 and very happy with it. I have the opportunity to buy what I think is an Novo.I have two pictures that I can send to any interested partyies. It has 14" FW's, no #'s or plate. The carb is unique and has an open crankcase without any inspection plates.T here is No fuel pump and never had one. And a brass rod There is a # E3 on the FW. Thanks for any feedback, Jimmy in Novato, Ca. USA 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Oct 23 07:36:30 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:36:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Novo mystery engine In-Reply-To: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> References: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081023103436.02fff3c0@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Lim, Send me some pics of that engine. Lets see what I can recognize. Thanks, Mark At 12:30 AM 10/23/08, you wrote: >I have the opportunity to buy what I think is an >Novo.I have two pictures that I can send to any interested partyies. It has >14" FW's, no #'s or plate. The carb is unique and has an open crankcase >without any inspection plates.T here is No fuel pump and never had one. And >a brass rod There is a # E3 on the FW. Thanks for any feedback, Jimmy in >Novato, Ca. USA 415 892 0236 >Jim O'Hagan Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Oct 23 10:41:04 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:41:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Novo mystery engine In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20081023103436.02fff3c0@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20081023103436.02fff3c0@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081023133714.034e8610@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Jim, Looks Hilgreth to me, look in that direction for more Info. Hildreth is the predassor to Novo. This could be in the 1908-09? area. Mark At 10:36 AM 10/23/08, you wrote: >Hi Jim, Send me some pics of that engine. Lets see what I can >recognize. Thanks, Mark > > >At 12:30 AM 10/23/08, you wrote: > >I have the opportunity to buy what I think is an > >Novo.I have two pictures that I can send to any interested partyies. It has > >14" FW's, no #'s or plate. The carb is unique and has an open crankcase > >without any inspection plates.T here is No fuel pump and never had one. And > >a brass rod There is a # E3 on the FW. Thanks for any feedback, Jimmy in > >Novato, Ca. USA 415 892 0236 > >Jim O'Hagan Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Oct 23 14:31:20 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:31:20 +1100 Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates Message-ID: <313896D1BE9F4381A50E3A99B070553D@PETER> Hi all There are two fuel pump types for the 2 & 3hp vertical IHC Famous engines. The early pump is cast iron, the later is brass. Can anyone tell me when they changed from the iron pump to the brass one?? Does anyone have good photos of the engine with the brass pump in place? Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 23 15:19:09 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:19:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates References: <313896D1BE9F4381A50E3A99B070553D@PETER> Message-ID: <1DF9E3A558C048428DB121C89DAA4155@Edd> Hi Peter.May be wrong as I didn't look this up(just to tired today).All the vertical Famous engines had the same pump.The cast pump that you got that was wrong is for a Mogul side shaft. I have had several vertical Famous inc an early one with the different water pump and drive acentric and all had the same brass fuel pump. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:31 AM Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates > Hi all > > There are two fuel pump types for the 2 & 3hp vertical IHC Famous engines. > The early pump is cast iron, the later is brass. Can anyone tell me when > they changed from the iron pump to the brass one?? > > Does anyone have good photos of the engine with the brass pump in place? > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > Australia > Ph: 61-266453455 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Oct 23 15:38:32 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:38:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates In-Reply-To: <1DF9E3A558C048428DB121C89DAA4155@Edd> References: <313896D1BE9F4381A50E3A99B070553D@PETER> <1DF9E3A558C048428DB121C89DAA4155@Edd> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081023183404.03002360@pop3.wcoil.com> Hi Edd, The fuel pumps may bolt in the same but my Brass name plate 3 hp engine has a cast Iron fuel pump. And I have seen that several other times on the earlier Verticles. The early engines didn't use a water pump either. Mark At 06:19 PM 10/23/08, you wrote: >Hi Peter.May be wrong as I didn't look this up(just to tired today).All the >vertical Famous engines had the same pump.The cast pump that you got that >was wrong is for a Mogul side shaft. I have had several vertical Famous inc >an early one with the different water pump and drive acentric and all had >the same brass fuel pump. >EDD PAYNE >PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >Australia >2852 >Phone:0263742387 >edsengns at optusnet.com.au >edsengns >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Lowe" >To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" > >Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:31 AM >Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates > > > > Hi all > > > > There are two fuel pump types for the 2 & 3hp vertical IHC Famous engines. > > The early pump is cast iron, the later is brass. Can anyone tell me when > > they changed from the iron pump to the brass one?? > > > > Does anyone have good photos of the engine with the brass pump in place? > > > > Regards > > Peter Lowe > > R&V Engine Registrar > > Australia > > Ph: 61-266453455 > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From jbcast at charter.net Thu Oct 23 16:39:55 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:39:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cary, Illinois-engine shipping Message-ID: <20081023193955.1ATNF.380265.root@mp19> A friend bought a small marine engine in Cary Illinois, listed as pickup only. If necessary is their anyone on the list near Cary, Illinois that could pick this engine up, strap it to a pallet and drop it at a freight dock, he's willing to pay for you time. J.B. Castagnos From jdohagan at comcast.net Thu Oct 23 17:03:56 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:03:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20081023183404.03002360@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20081024000358.E453D405CC6@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> I think all the original G1548 fuel pumps were cast iron. There has been tons of brass repros made since. Both of my unmolested 2&3 horse uprights have CI pumps. Take care Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:39 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates Hi Edd, The fuel pumps may bolt in the same but my Brass name plate 3 hp engine has a cast Iron fuel pump. And I have seen that several other times on the earlier Verticles. The early engines didn't use a water pump either. Mark At 06:19 PM 10/23/08, you wrote: >Hi Peter.May be wrong as I didn't look this up(just to tired today).All the >vertical Famous engines had the same pump.The cast pump that you got that >was wrong is for a Mogul side shaft. I have had several vertical Famous inc >an early one with the different water pump and drive acentric and all had >the same brass fuel pump. >EDD PAYNE >PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >Australia >2852 >Phone:0263742387 >edsengns at optusnet.com.au >edsengns >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Lowe" >To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" > >Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:31 AM >Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates > > > > Hi all > > > > There are two fuel pump types for the 2 & 3hp vertical IHC Famous engines. > > The early pump is cast iron, the later is brass. Can anyone tell me when > > they changed from the iron pump to the brass one?? > > > > Does anyone have good photos of the engine with the brass pump in place? > > > > Regards > > Peter Lowe > > R&V Engine Registrar > > Australia > > Ph: 61-266453455 > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu Oct 23 17:14:32 2008 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Cary, Illinois-engine shipping In-Reply-To: <20081023193955.1ATNF.380265.root@mp19> Message-ID: <778648.88515.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> JB I plan on being up in Island Lake on Sunday. It is ~ 10 miles from Cary. Drop me an email stevebarr at ameritech.net My place of work (Itasca,IL) has a loading Dock. Yellow Freight comes in daily if that helps. Steve --- On Thu, 10/23/08, jbcast at charter.net wrote: > From: jbcast at charter.net > Subject: [SEL] Cary, Illinois-engine shipping > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 6:39 PM > A friend bought a small marine engine in Cary Illinois, > listed as pickup only. If necessary is their anyone on the > list near Cary, Illinois that could pick this engine up, > strap it to a pallet and drop it at a freight dock, he's > willing to pay for you time. > J.B. Castagnos > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 23 17:14:45 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:14:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates References: <313896D1BE9F4381A50E3A99B070553D@PETER><1DF9E3A558C048428DB121C89DAA4155@Edd> <6.2.1.2.1.20081023183404.03002360@pop3.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <3AFE00783841401280C28866F836C17E@Edd> Hi Mark.Should have mentioned the earlier engines.That is correct re no pump but between the standard pump we all know and no pump there was a smaller pump with a two piece acentric.Not seen the cast iron fuel pumps here but that doesn't mean they didn.t do it.I make the brass ones and have supplied 5 so far but don't want the hassle of doing any more. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shulaw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates > Hi Edd, The fuel pumps may bolt in the same but my Brass name plate 3 hp > engine has a cast Iron fuel pump. And I have seen that several other times > on the earlier Verticles. The early engines didn't use a water pump > either. Mark > > > At 06:19 PM 10/23/08, you wrote: >>Hi Peter.May be wrong as I didn't look this up(just to tired today).All >>the >>vertical Famous engines had the same pump.The cast pump that you got that >>was wrong is for a Mogul side shaft. I have had several vertical Famous >>inc >>an early one with the different water pump and drive acentric and all had >>the same brass fuel pump. >>EDD PAYNE >>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>Australia >>2852 >>Phone:0263742387 >>edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>edsengns >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Peter Lowe" >>To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" >> >>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:31 AM >>Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates >> >> >> > Hi all >> > >> > There are two fuel pump types for the 2 & 3hp vertical IHC Famous >> > engines. >> > The early pump is cast iron, the later is brass. Can anyone tell me >> > when >> > they changed from the iron pump to the brass one?? >> > >> > Does anyone have good photos of the engine with the brass pump in >> > place? >> > >> > Regards >> > Peter Lowe >> > R&V Engine Registrar >> > Australia >> > Ph: 61-266453455 >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 23 17:36:46 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:36:46 +1100 Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates References: <20081024000358.E453D405CC6@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <31099982978B4BD19CF3D8248370FCFE@Edd> Hi Jim.If that is the case every vertical Famous in OZ has a repo fuel pump.Don't think so.Over the years I have had 4 x 3 HP and 1x2 HP and all had brass pumps.I have also worked on many of these engines for other collectors and the same applies.Have also repaired many pumps same again.Must admit that we don't see many of the real early engines here. Just got of my fat arse and got my parts book out.Here is what I found.G1548 is listed for engines 05 to 09. G7091 is listed for engines 10 to 17 and this is the brass one.In Dons list he appears to have the part # wrong for these ,he has G7901 not G7091.(probably a typo) Part # G7901 does not exist in my books. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates >I think all the original G1548 fuel pumps were cast iron. There has been > tons of brass repros made since. Both of my unmolested 2&3 horse uprights > have CI pumps. Take care Jimmy > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:39 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates > > Hi Edd, The fuel pumps may bolt in the same but my Brass name plate 3 hp > engine has a cast Iron fuel pump. And I have seen that several other times > on the earlier Verticles. The early engines didn't use a water pump > either. Mark > > > At 06:19 PM 10/23/08, you wrote: >>Hi Peter.May be wrong as I didn't look this up(just to tired today).All >>the >>vertical Famous engines had the same pump.The cast pump that you got that >>was wrong is for a Mogul side shaft. I have had several vertical Famous >>inc >>an early one with the different water pump and drive acentric and all had >>the same brass fuel pump. >>EDD PAYNE >>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>Australia >>2852 >>Phone:0263742387 >>edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>edsengns >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Peter Lowe" >>To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" >> >>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:31 AM >>Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates >> >> >> > Hi all >> > >> > There are two fuel pump types for the 2 & 3hp vertical IHC Famous > engines. >> > The early pump is cast iron, the later is brass. Can anyone tell me >> > when >> > they changed from the iron pump to the brass one?? >> > >> > Does anyone have good photos of the engine with the brass pump in >> > place? >> > >> > Regards >> > Peter Lowe >> > R&V Engine Registrar >> > Australia >> > Ph: 61-266453455 >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jdohagan at comcast.net Thu Oct 23 18:40:59 2008 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:40:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates In-Reply-To: <31099982978B4BD19CF3D8248370FCFE@Edd> Message-ID: <20081024014106.A4BFB302895@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Edd, The part# G7901 is a friction Pully34x10 1/2" for $39.35 Cya Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:37 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates Hi Jim.If that is the case every vertical Famous in OZ has a repo fuel pump.Don't think so.Over the years I have had 4 x 3 HP and 1x2 HP and all had brass pumps.I have also worked on many of these engines for other collectors and the same applies.Have also repaired many pumps same again.Must admit that we don't see many of the real early engines here. Just got of my fat arse and got my parts book out.Here is what I found.G1548 is listed for engines 05 to 09. G7091 is listed for engines 10 to 17 and this is the brass one.In Dons list he appears to have the part # wrong for these ,he has G7901 not G7091.(probably a typo) Part # G7901 does not exist in my books. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates >I think all the original G1548 fuel pumps were cast iron. There has been > tons of brass repros made since. Both of my unmolested 2&3 horse uprights > have CI pumps. Take care Jimmy > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:39 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates > > Hi Edd, The fuel pumps may bolt in the same but my Brass name plate 3 hp > engine has a cast Iron fuel pump. And I have seen that several other times > on the earlier Verticles. The early engines didn't use a water pump > either. Mark > > > At 06:19 PM 10/23/08, you wrote: >>Hi Peter.May be wrong as I didn't look this up(just to tired today).All >>the >>vertical Famous engines had the same pump.The cast pump that you got that >>was wrong is for a Mogul side shaft. I have had several vertical Famous >>inc >>an early one with the different water pump and drive acentric and all had >>the same brass fuel pump. >>EDD PAYNE >>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>Australia >>2852 >>Phone:0263742387 >>edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>edsengns >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Peter Lowe" >>To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" >> >>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:31 AM >>Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates >> >> >> > Hi all >> > >> > There are two fuel pump types for the 2 & 3hp vertical IHC Famous > engines. >> > The early pump is cast iron, the later is brass. Can anyone tell me >> > when >> > they changed from the iron pump to the brass one?? >> > >> > Does anyone have good photos of the engine with the brass pump in >> > place? >> > >> > Regards >> > Peter Lowe >> > R&V Engine Registrar >> > Australia >> > Ph: 61-266453455 >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark & Christine Shulaw > 454 Co. Rd. 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com > > Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. > Parts lists available on request. > > Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 > No Sunday calls if possible. > I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I > represent > them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and > hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Oct 23 19:58:23 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:58:23 +1100 Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates References: <20081024000358.E453D405CC6@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <31099982978B4BD19CF3D8248370FCFE@Edd> Message-ID: Hi Ed Thanks for getting off your butt mate (smile) this answers it all. Yes Don does have a typo and I have let him know. So for my mates 1915 vertical famous he needs pump G7091 in brass. Therefore I have an early pump for sale that is made of cast iron and is parts number G1548 if anyone wants one. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar Australia Ph: 61-266453455 http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm > Hi Jim.If that is the case every vertical Famous in OZ has a repo fuel > pump.Don't think so.Over the years I have had 4 x 3 HP and 1x2 HP and all > had brass pumps.I have also worked on many of these engines for other > collectors and the same applies.Have also repaired many pumps same > again.Must admit that we don't see many of the real early engines here. > Just > got of my fat arse and got my parts book out.Here is what I found.G1548 is > listed for engines 05 to 09. G7091 is listed for engines 10 to 17 and this > is the brass one.In Dons list he appears to have the part # wrong for > these > ,he has G7901 not G7091.(probably a typo) Part # G7901 does not exist in > my > books. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim O'Hagan" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:03 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates > > >>I think all the original G1548 fuel pumps were cast iron. There has been >> tons of brass repros made since. Both of my unmolested 2&3 horse uprights >> have CI pumps. Take care Jimmy >> >> Jim O'Hagan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw >> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:39 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates >> >> Hi Edd, The fuel pumps may bolt in the same but my Brass name plate 3 hp >> engine has a cast Iron fuel pump. And I have seen that several other >> times >> on the earlier Verticles. The early engines didn't use a water pump >> either. Mark >> >> >> At 06:19 PM 10/23/08, you wrote: >>>Hi Peter.May be wrong as I didn't look this up(just to tired today).All >>>the >>>vertical Famous engines had the same pump.The cast pump that you got that >>>was wrong is for a Mogul side shaft. I have had several vertical Famous >>>inc >>>an early one with the different water pump and drive acentric and all had >>>the same brass fuel pump. >>>EDD PAYNE >>>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>>Australia >>>2852 >>>Phone:0263742387 >>>edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>>edsengns >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Peter Lowe" >>>To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" >>> >>>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:31 AM >>>Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates >>> >>> >>> > Hi all >>> > >>> > There are two fuel pump types for the 2 & 3hp vertical IHC Famous >> engines. >>> > The early pump is cast iron, the later is brass. Can anyone tell me >>> > when >>> > they changed from the iron pump to the brass one?? >>> > >>> > Does anyone have good photos of the engine with the brass pump in >>> > place? >>> > >>> > Regards >>> > Peter Lowe >>> > R&V Engine Registrar >>> > Australia >>> > Ph: 61-266453455 >>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SEL mailing list >>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> > >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> Mark & Christine Shulaw >> 454 Co. Rd. 33 >> Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >> >> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. >> Parts lists available on request. >> >> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 >> No Sunday calls if possible. >> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I >> represent >> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and >> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Thu Oct 23 20:01:11 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:01:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates References: <20081024014106.A4BFB302895@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <48A66A60D4774EDB8286968A452F87F9@PETER> Yes Jimmy, it is a typo on Don's web site, he knows about it mate, I told him. Peter, Oz Edd, The part# G7901 is a friction Pully34x10 1/2" for $39.35 Cya Jimmy > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Edd Payne > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:37 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates > > Hi Jim.If that is the case every vertical Famous in OZ has a repo fuel > pump.Don't think so.Over the years I have had 4 x 3 HP and 1x2 HP and all > had brass pumps.I have also worked on many of these engines for other > collectors and the same applies.Have also repaired many pumps same > again.Must admit that we don't see many of the real early engines here. > Just > > got of my fat arse and got my parts book out.Here is what I found.G1548 is > listed for engines 05 to 09. G7091 is listed for engines 10 to 17 and this > is the brass one.In Dons list he appears to have the part # wrong for > these > ,he has G7901 not G7091.(probably a typo) Part # G7901 does not exist in > my > books. > EDD PAYNE > PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W > Australia > 2852 > Phone:0263742387 > edsengns at optusnet.com.au > edsengns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim O'Hagan" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:03 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates > > >>I think all the original G1548 fuel pumps were cast iron. There has been >> tons of brass repros made since. Both of my unmolested 2&3 horse uprights >> have CI pumps. Take care Jimmy >> >> Jim O'Hagan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw >> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:39 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates >> >> Hi Edd, The fuel pumps may bolt in the same but my Brass name plate 3 hp >> engine has a cast Iron fuel pump. And I have seen that several other >> times >> on the earlier Verticles. The early engines didn't use a water pump >> either. Mark >> >> >> At 06:19 PM 10/23/08, you wrote: >>>Hi Peter.May be wrong as I didn't look this up(just to tired today).All >>>the >>>vertical Famous engines had the same pump.The cast pump that you got that >>>was wrong is for a Mogul side shaft. I have had several vertical Famous >>>inc >>>an early one with the different water pump and drive acentric and all had >>>the same brass fuel pump. >>>EDD PAYNE >>>PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W >>>Australia >>>2852 >>>Phone:0263742387 >>>edsengns at optusnet.com.au >>>edsengns >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Peter Lowe" >>>To: "ATIS" ; "Oldengine.org" >>> >>>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:31 AM >>>Subject: [SEL] IHC Fuel Pump dates >>> >>> >>> > Hi all >>> > >>> > There are two fuel pump types for the 2 & 3hp vertical IHC Famous >> engines. >>> > The early pump is cast iron, the later is brass. Can anyone tell me >>> > when >>> > they changed from the iron pump to the brass one?? >>> > >>> > Does anyone have good photos of the engine with the brass pump in >>> > place? >>> > >>> > Regards >>> > Peter Lowe >>> > R&V Engine Registrar >>> > Australia >>> > Ph: 61-266453455 >>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SEL mailing list >>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> > >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> Mark & Christine Shulaw >> 454 Co. Rd. 33 >> Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com >> >> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. >> Parts lists available on request. >> >> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 >> No Sunday calls if possible. >> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I >> represent >> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and >> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kimmell at verizon.net Thu Oct 23 21:30:51 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:30:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cary, Illinois-engine shipping In-Reply-To: <778648.88515.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20081023193955.1ATNF.380265.root@mp19> <778648.88515.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0K9800HIX762K8Q0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Hey Steve, Just curious... where is it in Itasca that you work? My peddle route is mostly over in Franklin Park / O'Hare / Elmhurst area but they've been sending me through Itasca and Downers grove alot lately. I may have picked up freight at your place before and not known it. -Tony At 07:14 PM 10/23/2008, you wrote: >My place of work (Itasca,IL) has a loading Dock. Yellow Freight >comes in daily if that helps. > >Steve From kimmell at verizon.net Thu Oct 23 21:42:03 2008 From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:42:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cary, Illinois-engine shipping In-Reply-To: <0K9800HIX762K8Q0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <20081023193955.1ATNF.380265.root@mp19> <778648.88515.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0K9800HIX762K8Q0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <0K9800HX47OQIH41@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Oops... disreguard that last post... meant that to be off-list At 11:30 PM 10/23/2008, you wrote: >Hey Steve, >Just curious... where is it in Itasca that you work? My peddle route >is mostly over in Franklin Park / O'Hare / Elmhurst area but they've >been sending me through Itasca and Downers grove alot lately. I may >have picked up freight at your place before and not known it. > >-Tony From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 24 05:23:24 2008 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:23:24 +0100 Subject: [SEL] DST/Summer Time Dates Message-ID: <006501c935d3$50fefeb0$12b40556@intrepid> I just thought I would post this to help those of us that talk Engines on chat programs (Skype Etc) between countries to pick good times. I did look into including Australia but I don't know the areas covered. Can someone provide that please? Europe / UK clocks switch to Winter Time / standard time: Sunday 26 October 2008 Daylight Saving Time dates in USA & Canada ends: Sunday 2 November 2008 Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 24 15:28:23 2008 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:28:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Cary, Illinois-engine shipping In-Reply-To: <20081023193955.1ATNF.380265.root@mp19> References: <20081023193955.1ATNF.380265.root@mp19> Message-ID: I will be down in that area working for a couple weeks starting Nov 10. I will help if I canEd Herreid> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:39:55 -0700> From: jbcast at charter.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: [SEL] Cary, Illinois-engine shipping> > A friend bought a small marine engine in Cary Illinois, listed as pickup only. If necessary is their anyone on the list near Cary, Illinois that could pick this engine up, strap it to a pallet and drop it at a freight dock, he's willing to pay for you time.> J.B. Castagnos> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ When your life is on the go?take your life with you. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298558/direct/01/ From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Fri Oct 24 16:48:02 2008 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:48:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] DST/Summer Time Dates In-Reply-To: <006501c935d3$50fefeb0$12b40556@intrepid> References: <006501c935d3$50fefeb0$12b40556@intrepid> Message-ID: <000901c93632$f7a992c0$e6fcb840$@net.au> Dave Queensland and Northern territory do not have daylight saving. All other states put their clocks ahead 1 hour, Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Friday, 24 October 2008 10:23 To: atis Cc: Oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] DST/Summer Time Dates I just thought I would post this to help those of us that talk Engines on chat programs (Skype Etc) between countries to pick good times. I did look into including Australia but I don't know the areas covered. Can someone provide that please? Europe / UK clocks switch to Winter Time / standard time: Sunday 26 October 2008 Daylight Saving Time dates in USA & Canada ends: Sunday 2 November 2008 Dave Croft Warrington http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Fri Oct 24 17:37:48 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:37:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cary, Illinois-engine shipping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081024203749.7GTPE.430240.root@mp12> Keith Kinney, Steve Barr, and Ed Herreid. Thanks for the replies. Steve, we're trying to get things worked out for this weekend but communication has been slow, hoping to get a phone number so we can call him. Ed, if things don't work out with Steve, we'll be in touch. It's great to see the help available on this list. J.B. Castagnos From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Oct 26 02:40:11 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:40:11 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Palmer Marine engine help needed Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081026113920.00c25198@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Who are the small marine engine specialists on the list? I have a friend (not a list member) who recently acquired a small "Palmer"marine engine and he would like to correspond with others (and probably ask a lot of questions), who have or know about these engines. Unfortunately I know very little (actually nothing) about the engine he has. If anyone is prepared to correspond with him please let me know. Thank you. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Oct 26 03:13:00 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:13:00 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Palmer Marine engine help needed In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081026113920.00c25198@mail.cyberserv.co.za> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081026113920.00c25198@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <6f6025160810260313u415b8f3dr87c04b5b2ac020e9@mail.gmail.com> On 26/10/2008, Jerry Evans wrote: > Hi Guys, > Who are the small marine engine specialists on the list? Jerry: J B Castagnos is the guy we usually recommend: jbcast at charter.net Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Oct 26 03:14:04 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:14:04 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Palmer Marine engine help needed References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081026113920.00c25198@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Message-ID: <5C0AC2303B074F51B398FA7C26E2E6C8@your9e74d7efa7> Jerry ,try http://www.oldmarineengine.com/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:40 PM Subject: [SEL] Palmer Marine engine help needed > Hi Guys, > Who are the small marine engine specialists on the list? > > I have a friend (not a list member) who recently acquired a small > "Palmer"marine engine and he would like to correspond with others (and > probably ask a lot of questions), who have or know about these engines. > > Unfortunately I know very little (actually nothing) about the > engine he has. > > If anyone is prepared to correspond with him please let me know. > Thank you. > > Keep the revs up (or down) > Jerry Evans > Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. > Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jbcast at charter.net Sun Oct 26 09:35:36 2008 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 9:35:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Palmer Marine engine help needed In-Reply-To: <5C0AC2303B074F51B398FA7C26E2E6C8@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <20081026123536.KES6J.611416.root@mp16> Jerry, I'll be glad to offer any help I can, I'm familiar with some of the models, I have two of them. The OLDMARINEENGINE site is good, Dick Day is a contributor there. He's in his 80's and has been running Palmers since his teens, has a lot of factory info, and has the first engine Palmer ever made. J.B. Castagnos From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Oct 26 11:06:36 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:06:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Reilang oil cans on eBay Message-ID: <1225044396.4904b1ac8fac2@webmail.city-net.com> If you've ever lusted after one of these awesome oil cans, here's your chance to own one. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=330166059267 See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 18:14:33 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:14:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> Message-ID: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, This sure is a different list than what it was when I joined up. No I don't actually WANT 100 messages a day but I would like to see a little more activity. Now who has been playing with their engines? From cooperjb at aapt.net.au Sun Oct 26 18:39:35 2008 From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:39:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01c937d4$de8c9780$0201010a@JBCooper> Hi Alan, Good to see someone else appreciates messages relating to engine activities rather than some of the garbage that has been coming across recently. Wake up guys don't spoil a good site. John, Bega. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > > Hi Folks, > This sure is a different list than what it was when I joined up. > No I don't actually WANT 100 messages a day but I would like to see a > little more activity. > Now who has been playing with their engines? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM From milo at hughes.net Sun Oct 26 18:45:16 2008 From: milo at hughes.net (milo at hughes.net) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:45:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <451E08F514574A11AAE6A68895E657A4@GALMIWHOLROYDMH> >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel- >bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan >Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 9:15 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > >Hi Folks, >This sure is a different list than what it was when I joined up. >No I don't actually WANT 100 messages a day but I would like to see a >little more activity. >Now who has been playing with their engines? I ran my Gilson a couple weeks ago. Does that count? Peace Milo No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1744 - Release Date: 10/24/2008 6:08 PM From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Oct 26 18:51:09 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:51:09 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Old Hoffmann bearing Message-ID: <000501c937d6$7bded560$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hi all I am restoring an old water pump and require a bearing which is a Hoffmann MS9ACD or equivalent. It is approximately two and a quarter inches OD and 29/32 ID. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks Ron Canberra From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Oct 26 22:15:52 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:15:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Alan, The banter and camaderie still exists; it just takes place off-list among like-minded individuals and over on Slick Willy. What you see is the result of a focus on just engines. It totally misses what made this group what it was. Have you ever been to an engine show gathering where the ONLY thing talked about was engines? If you did, you would have noticed more silence than talking. So it is with lists. As the old wheeze goes; be careful what you wish for, you might get it. See ya, Arnie Quoting Alan : > This sure is a different list than what it was when I joined up. > No I don't actually WANT 100 messages a day but I would like to see a little > more activity. > Now who has been playing with their engines? From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Oct 26 23:22:22 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 02:22:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Hi Arnie, Did you,know that Tommy Turner (Yes, THE JUDGE) is IN THE TANK for Obama? Dave PS, It's sad to loose a good friend like that to Communism! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:15 AM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Hi Alan, > > The banter and camaderie still exists; it just takes place off-list > among > like-minded individuals and over on Slick Willy. What you see is > the result of > a focus on just engines. It totally misses what made this group > what it was. > > Have you ever been to an engine show gathering where the ONLY thing > talked about > was engines? If you did, you would have noticed more silence than > talking. So > it is with lists. > > As the old wheeze goes; be careful what you wish for, you might get > it. > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Alan : > >> This sure is a different list than what it was when I joined up. >> No I don't actually WANT 100 messages a day but I would like to see >> a little >> more activity. >> Now who has been playing with their engines? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wboldrusty70 at gmail.com Sun Oct 26 23:36:50 2008 From: wboldrusty70 at gmail.com (William Burg) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:36:50 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Old Hoffmann bearing In-Reply-To: <000501c937d6$7bded560$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <000501c937d6$7bded560$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <175167230810262336r6d23aa53w3493dda21c4e229c@mail.gmail.com> Hi Ron, you could try an SKFAMS7. Bill On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Ron Page wrote: > Hi all > > > > I am restoring an old water pump and require a bearing which is a Hoffmann > MS9ACD or equivalent. It is approximately two and a quarter inches OD and > 29/32 ID. Any information would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > > > Ron > > Canberra > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Oct 27 00:20:07 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:20:07 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Old Hoffmann bearing In-Reply-To: <175167230810262336r6d23aa53w3493dda21c4e229c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001a01c93804$70ec78a0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Thanks for the info Bill. Ron -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of William Burg Sent: Monday, 27 October 2008 5:37 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Hoffmann bearing Hi Ron, you could try an SKFAMS7. Bill On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Ron Page wrote: > Hi all > > > > I am restoring an old water pump and require a bearing which is a Hoffmann > MS9ACD or equivalent. It is approximately two and a quarter inches OD and > 29/32 ID. Any information would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > > > Ron > > Canberra > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1708 - Release Date: 4/10/2008 11:35 AM From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Oct 27 03:45:44 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 06:45:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Dave, Are you talking about cousin Barry? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:22 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > Hi Arnie, Did you,know that Tommy Turner (Yes, THE JUDGE) is IN THE > TANK for Obama? > Dave > PS, It's sad to loose a good friend like that to Communism! > > > -------- > David Rotigel > rotigel at alltel.net > > > > On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:15 AM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > >> Hi Alan, >> >> The banter and camaderie still exists; it just takes place off-list >> among >> like-minded individuals and over on Slick Willy. What you see is >> the result of >> a focus on just engines. It totally misses what made this group >> what it was. >> >> Have you ever been to an engine show gathering where the ONLY thing >> talked about >> was engines? If you did, you would have noticed more silence than >> talking. So >> it is with lists. >> >> As the old wheeze goes; be careful what you wish for, you might get >> it. >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> Quoting Alan : >> >>> This sure is a different list than what it was when I joined up. >>> No I don't actually WANT 100 messages a day but I would like to see >>> a little >>> more activity. >>> Now who has been playing with their engines? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1747 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 9:27 AM From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Oct 27 05:06:03 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:06:03 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Old Hoffmann bearing References: <000501c937d6$7bded560$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <315CC7F7FFBA483A86069D90A7247F2D@PETER> Hi Ron As Bill said, you need an SKF - AMS-7 , this is an angular contact bearing - inch, or RHP - MJT 7/8 I.D = 0.8750" (7/8"), metric dimensions = 22.225mm O.D = 2.25", (2 1/4"), metric dimensions = 57.150mm Thickness = 0.6875" (11/16"), metric dimensions = 17.46mm Weight = 0.540 lbs, There is no even metric equivalent for these. I have an SKF equivalents book here that converts these bearing companies to SKF: Echuca Fafnir FBC - FAG Hyatt MRC ND R&M Timken Torrington Your 29/32" is out for the ID. Regards Peter, NSW, Oz > Hi all > I am restoring an old water pump and require a bearing which is a Hoffmann > MS9ACD or equivalent. It is approximately two and a quarter inches OD and > 29/32 ID. Any information would be appreciated. > > Thanks > Ron From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Oct 27 05:15:26 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:15:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RFD TV Show Message-ID: <40495A852DF947749952596EF28E4072@tommyd0x52gkco> I occasionally watch RFD TV and will catch an Engine and Tractor show they'll feature. I got an email today from Aumann Auctions telling of their show on RFD TV called "Aumann's Album". I haven't seen it on RFD but I'm going to try to catch it. Here's a Youtube clip they sent with the email. Looks like it could be fun to watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfcGxG-3ye8 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 06:05:14 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:05:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Old Hoffmann bearing In-Reply-To: <000501c937d6$7bded560$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <000501c937d6$7bded560$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <6f6025160810270605x1616b20fm963cc0afabede5b3@mail.gmail.com> On 27/10/2008, Ron Page wrote: > Hi all > > > > I am restoring an old water pump and require a bearing which is a Hoffmann > MS9ACD or equivalent. It is approximately two and a quarter inches OD and > 29/32 ID. Any information would be appreciated. > Thanks > Ron It also comes up as a Nato stock number: 3110-99-950-1929 7/8" bore, 2-1/4" OD and 11/16" wide. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Oct 27 06:50:41 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:50:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Hi Tommy, Are you related to Barry too? Dave -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net On Oct 27, 2008, at 6:45 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Dave, > Are you talking about cousin Barry? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:22 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > > >> Hi Arnie, Did you,know that Tommy Turner (Yes, THE JUDGE) is IN THE >> TANK for Obama? >> Dave >> PS, It's sad to loose a good friend like that to Communism! >> >> >> -------- >> David Rotigel >> rotigel at alltel.net >> >> >> >> On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:15 AM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >> >>> Hi Alan, >>> >>> The banter and camaderie still exists; it just takes place off-list >>> among >>> like-minded individuals and over on Slick Willy. What you see is >>> the result of >>> a focus on just engines. It totally misses what made this group >>> what it was. >>> >>> Have you ever been to an engine show gathering where the ONLY thing >>> talked about >>> was engines? If you did, you would have noticed more silence than >>> talking. So >>> it is with lists. >>> >>> As the old wheeze goes; be careful what you wish for, you might get >>> it. >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> Quoting Alan : >>> >>>> This sure is a different list than what it was when I joined up. >>>> No I don't actually WANT 100 messages a day but I would like to see >>>> a little >>>> more activity. >>>> Now who has been playing with their engines? >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1747 - Release Date: > 10/26/2008 > 9:27 AM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 06:46:32 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:46:32 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Old Hoffmann bearing In-Reply-To: <6f6025160810270605x1616b20fm963cc0afabede5b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <000501c937d6$7bded560$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <6f6025160810270605x1616b20fm963cc0afabede5b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160810270646l6287cf0au4994735b345f6ef2@mail.gmail.com> On 27/10/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 27/10/2008, Ron Page wrote: >> Hi all >> >> I am restoring an old water pump and require a bearing which is a Hoffmann >> MS9ACD or equivalent. It is approximately two and a quarter inches OD and >> 29/32 ID. Any information would be appreciated. >> Thanks >> Ron > > It also comes up as a Nato stock number: 3110-99-950-1929 > > 7/8" bore, 2-1/4" OD and 11/16" wide. > > Peter In stock at our local bearing place, ?37.27 each plus VAT, Part No MJT7/8 as per peter Lowe's post. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Oct 27 07:20:57 2008 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:20:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1F284EA5068949AC8C9F59E45A679BF0@tommyd0x52gkco> Why sure. We even attended Harvard together. I became a community official, he became a community organizer. Looks like I got the short end of the stick. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 9:51 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? Hi Tommy, Are you related to Barry too? Dave From frappi at wcoil.com Mon Oct 27 09:11:37 2008 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:11:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081027110431.034154b0@pop3.wcoil.com> You Are so right Arnie, For our part and a lot others too, the conversations at shows in camp around the camp fires gets all over the board, from engines to religion and everything inbetween and many times there are disagreements but in the end we all keep hanging together. Mark PS: See everyone at Wapakonetta Ohio in 11 days. At 12:15 AM 10/27/08, you wrote: >Hi Alan, > >The banter and camaderie still exists; it just takes place off-list among >like-minded individuals and over on Slick Willy. What you see is the >result of >a focus on just engines. It totally misses what made this group what it was. > >Have you ever been to an engine show gathering where the ONLY thing talked >about >was engines? If you did, you would have noticed more silence than >talking. So >it is with lists. > >As the old wheeze goes; be careful what you wish for, you might get it. > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting Alan : > > > This sure is a different list than what it was when I joined up. > > No I don't actually WANT 100 messages a day but I would like to see a > little > > more activity. > > Now who has been playing with their engines? > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark & Christine Shulaw 454 Co. Rd. 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Email: Frappi at wcoil.com Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts. Parts lists available on request. Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206 No Sunday calls if possible. I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old. Mark From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Oct 27 08:13:44 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:13:44 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 55, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081027171242.00c589e8@mail.cyberserv.co.za> > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Palmer Marine engine help needed >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >On 26/10/2008, Jerry Evans wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > Who are the small marine engine specialists on the list? Thanks to the 2 Peters, I've passed the info on. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From George_Best at adp.com Mon Oct 27 08:30:31 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:30:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Dave, Don't worry. Obama likes to redistribute wealth by taking from those that have and giving to the less fortunate. Seems to me his supporters should have the same views, and realize how wrong it is for them to have so many rare engines and sideshafts. I'll be looking forward to the redistribution of engines to us less fortunate collectors! George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of David Rotigel Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:22 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? Hi Arnie, Did you,know that Tommy Turner (Yes, THE JUDGE) is IN THE TANK for Obama? Dave PS, It's sad to loose a good friend like that to Communism! -------- David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Oct 27 09:17:27 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:17:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> ROFLMAO!!! Brilliant reply George. Where do we "unfortunates" line up? See ya, Arnie Quoting "Best, George" : > Don't worry. > > Obama likes to redistribute wealth by taking from those that have and > giving to the less fortunate. > > Seems to me his supporters should have the same views, and realize how > wrong it is for them to have so many rare engines and sideshafts. > > I'll be looking forward to the redistribution of engines to us less > fortunate collectors! > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Hi Arnie, Did you,know that Tommy Turner (Yes, THE JUDGE) is IN THE > TANK for Obama? From oldironnut at alltel.net Mon Oct 27 09:33:40 2008 From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:33:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net> On Oct 27, 2008, at 12:17 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > ROFLMAO!!! Brilliant reply George. Where do we "unfortunates" line > up? Hey Nukeboy, you have a sideshaft or 2 and since I have NONE and am relatively local to the Land of Lincoln Refuge for Drool Worthy Iron, wherever the line is you're definitely BEHIND me!!! Mike > > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting "Best, George" : > >> Don't worry. >> >> Obama likes to redistribute wealth by taking from those that have and >> giving to the less fortunate. >> >> Seems to me his supporters should have the same views, and realize >> how >> wrong it is for them to have so many rare engines and sideshafts. >> >> I'll be looking forward to the redistribution of engines to us less >> fortunate collectors! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> Hi Arnie, Did you,know that Tommy Turner (Yes, THE JUDGE) is IN THE >> TANK for Obama? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ______________________ Michael Tucker oldironnut at alltel.net Versailles, Kentucky, USA ______________________ From jerrye at databak.co.za Mon Oct 27 09:49:57 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:49:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 55, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081027184848.022806d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> At 06:00 PM 27/10/2008, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 9:35:36 -0700 >From: >Subject: Re: [SEL] Palmer Marine engine help needed >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <20081026123536.KES6J.611416.root at mp16> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > >Jerry, I'll be glad to offer any help I can, I'm familiar with some of the >models, I have two of them. The OLDMARINEENGINE site is good, Dick Day is >a contributor there. He's in his 80's and has been running Palmers since >his teens, has a lot of factory info, and has the first engine Palmer ever >made. >J.B. Castagnos Many thanks J.B. I've forwarded your reply to my friend - his name is Louis Boshoff. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Oct 27 10:51:55 2008 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:51:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> <4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net> Message-ID: Not so fast Mike. Arnie does have that very nice Lorenz, the Bessemer, and the one of a kind experimental hot tube IH M. But you have a FOOS and that awesome IH buzz rig. So step aside! Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============================= > From: oldironnut at alltel.net > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:33:40 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > > On Oct 27, 2008, at 12:17 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > >> ROFLMAO!!! Brilliant reply George. Where do we "unfortunates" line >> up? > > Hey Nukeboy, you have a sideshaft or 2 and since I have NONE and am > relatively local to the Land of Lincoln Refuge for Drool Worthy Iron, > wherever the line is you're definitely BEHIND me!!! > > Mike > >> >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> Quoting "Best, George" : >> >>> Don't worry. >>> >>> Obama likes to redistribute wealth by taking from those that have and >>> giving to the less fortunate. >>> >>> Seems to me his supporters should have the same views, and realize >>> how >>> wrong it is for them to have so many rare engines and sideshafts. >>> >>> I'll be looking forward to the redistribution of engines to us less >>> fortunate collectors! >>> > > ______________________ > Michael Tucker > oldironnut at alltel.net > Versailles, Kentucky, USA > ______________________ _________________________________________________________________ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Oct 27 10:04:02 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:04:02 +0900 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> <4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net> Message-ID: Hello Arnie and Dave ,so good to hear you again ,for a while now due to the fiscal crisis and your political situation I feared you had taken to the hills. Now at the risk of upsetting someone who wishes for a 100 engine related emails a day I thought I would run this past you..... In 1773 there was the Boston Tea Party,those bloody colonists tipped all that tea into the harbour .I know a little about this affair probably more than you know about the ''NSW Rum Corp''.Sorry I diverge ,where was I ,yes the Tea party.As you would well know the reason for this act of wanton vandalism was the misguided view of these colonists that they were being unfairly taxed .Perhaps from todays point of view they were indeed. My next point,due to the misguided practice of certain American banks and lending institutions a global financial crisis has resulted and we all hope that it does not get to the stage of 1929.However it has resulted in non Amercan Goverments bailing out their own banks and lending institutions and the world sinking into recession.Here in Australia, Rudd the almighty has guaranteed all bank accounts will be safe ,there is no limit to how much moolah you can have in deposit .If you have money in a investment scheme as a lot of poor old self funded retired engine men do then Rudd the Almighty says go and see Centerlink [ or ''Let Them Eat Cake''] Sorry I diverge again, where was I ,yes the Tea Party,well the way I see it was those poor Yankee Colonists saw this tax as ''Tax with out Representation''. Now all these years latter I feel the same way ,I can not influence how the US regulates it's banks and financial institutions ,but my tax is being used to prop up banks here who have suffered as a result of the US fiasco....drawing a long bow ,perhaps but worth a comment or two! To appease those who wish for those 100 a day engine related emails ,yes I could have gone to Slick Willy but there are so many crack pots on that ,it is worse than getting a 100 engine related emails a day..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > On Oct 27, 2008, at 12:17 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > >> ROFLMAO!!! Brilliant reply George. Where do we "unfortunates" line >> up? > > Hey Nukeboy, you have a sideshaft or 2 and since I have NONE and am > relatively local to the Land of Lincoln Refuge for Drool Worthy Iron, > wherever the line is you're definitely BEHIND me!!! > > Mike > >> >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> Quoting "Best, George" : >> >>> Don't worry. >>> >>> Obama likes to redistribute wealth by taking from those that have and >>> giving to the less fortunate. >>> >>> Seems to me his supporters should have the same views, and realize >>> how >>> wrong it is for them to have so many rare engines and sideshafts. >>> >>> I'll be looking forward to the redistribution of engines to us less >>> fortunate collectors! >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >>> Hi Arnie, Did you,know that Tommy Turner (Yes, THE JUDGE) is IN THE >>> TANK for Obama? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > ______________________ > Michael Tucker > oldironnut at alltel.net > Versailles, Kentucky, USA > ______________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 27 11:13:43 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:13:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <003301c9385f$bfd78170$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> I'd imagine there will be a line at "The Smith " where they will all be stacked like cordwood , permanently . > ROFLMAO!!! Brilliant reply George. Where do we "unfortunates" line up? > >> I'll be looking forward to the redistribution of engines to us less >> fortunate collectors! From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon Oct 27 11:51:23 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:51:23 -0000 Subject: [SEL] [SPAM] Re: OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <768BD7D97C1146118C28E2334DF4FDF4@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Arnie, Talking of less fortunates lining up , could you save a place for me and a large area to lay down my container for taking new toys home in( sorry should have been small container as the x-change rate sucks big style at the moment) Bye for now, Craig in soggy Scotland ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > ROFLMAO!!! Brilliant reply George. Where do we "unfortunates" line up? > > See ya, Arnie From andyglines at hotmail.com Mon Oct 27 11:59:42 2008 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:59:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Indiana Historical Steam Assoc Message-ID: This topic may be a little off-topic for some of you so I will apologize in advance. I'm just trying to get the word out. General Membership meeting of the Indiana Historical Steam Association will be at the Dubois County museum in Jasper, Indiana. The museum is near the intersection of 26th Street and Hwy 231. Meeting time is at 1:00 Eastern Standard Time. The Lindauers plan to have food and drinks for everyone. Please let me know if you plan to attend so that I can RSVP for you. We will be discussing future inspection and operator licensing regluations for the operation of historic steam equipment in Indiana.www.indianahistoricalsteamassociation.com You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC. See how _________________________________________________________________ When your life is on the go?take your life with you. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298558/direct/01/ From enginepaul at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 12:14:18 2008 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:14:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] How about an opinion? Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0810271214q49f05bbfjca03ca29dbc9555d@mail.gmail.com> My apologies to the Stationary purists, but I have an opportunity to get a Fairmont that was used on a rail track maintenance car. Is this worth the time to set it up? Paul in SanFran with limited space From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Mon Oct 27 12:30:27 2008 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:30:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How about an opinion? References: <8d3c36fb0810271214q49f05bbfjca03ca29dbc9555d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007001c9386a$7a25b470$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5> Yes ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. Johns" To: Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:14 PM Subject: [SEL] How about an opinion? > My apologies to the Stationary purists, but I have an opportunity to get a > Fairmont that was used on a rail track maintenance car. > Is this worth the time to set it up? > > Paul in SanFran with limited space > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Oct 27 12:43:10 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:43:10 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? Message-ID: In a message dated 10/27/2008 11:33:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, George_Best at adp.com writes: I'll be looking forward to the redistribution of engines to us less Fortunate collectors! Wonder if the line up will be by lottery or just how it will be redistributed fairly? I got my eye on some too and do not want to be left out. **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics ? check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Oct 27 14:09:38 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:09:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] How about an opinion? References: <8d3c36fb0810271214q49f05bbfjca03ca29dbc9555d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <323C7E586A934A28AF7CE861AC2F9BBE@PETER> Hi Paul Well, with all those trolley car track around San Fran, mate you are in heaven (smile) If you want it get it. Peter, Oz > My apologies to the Stationary purists, but I have an opportunity to get a > Fairmont that was used on a rail track maintenance car. > Is this worth the time to set it up? > > Paul in SanFran with limited space > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 27 14:14:07 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:14:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How about an opinion? References: <8d3c36fb0810271214q49f05bbfjca03ca29dbc9555d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ea01c93878$f3968a10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > My apologies to the Stationary purists, You really need to quit doing that . but I have an opportunity to get a > Fairmont that was used on a rail track maintenance car. > Is this worth the time to set it up? Set it up to do what ? Baja ? Freestyle ? Tablesaw ? Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Oct 27 14:18:29 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:18:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> <4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1225142309.490630256fcb6@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Peter, Oh you poor, poor baby. Imagine how I feel? Our government is taking a bazillion of OUR tax dollars and doling it out to PERFECTLY HEALTHY businesses!! Case in point that rankles me. PNC bank buys National City bank for $5.6 billion thus becoming the fifth largest bank in the US. And our Uncle Sugar gives PNC bank $7.7 billion! http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/24/news/companies/bank_stocks/index.htm And you whine about your taxes propping up a few struggling Aussie banks? Gimmie a break. To paraphrase that well known Aussie symbol, Crocodile Dundee, "You call that a tax mess? THIS is a tax mess." See ya, Arnie Quoting peter ogborne : > Now all these years latter I feel the same way ,I can not influence how the > US regulates it's banks and financial institutions ,but my tax is being > used to prop up banks here who have suffered as a result of the US > fiasco....drawing a long bow ,perhaps but worth a comment or two! From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 27 14:19:40 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:19:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] FORD PARTS Message-ID: <011101c93879$b994e130$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> Anybody in the South have a steering gear for 2-8-9N Ford ? My companero has one , sans one . this dude wcp at priday.net Chuck From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Oct 27 14:25:28 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:25:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [SPAM] Re: OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <768BD7D97C1146118C28E2334DF4FDF4@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> <768BD7D97C1146118C28E2334DF4FDF4@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <1225142728.490631c8a7852@webmail.city-net.com> Holy crap Craig, you're right, it has fallen!! I show $1.55 per pound. This summer wasn't it up around $2.10 per pound? I need to get my arse back across the pond with a fistful of greenbacks! See ya, Arnie Quoting craig morrison : > Talking of less fortunates lining up , could you save a place for me and > a large area to lay down my container for taking new toys home in( sorry > should have been small container as the x-change rate sucks big style at the > moment) From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 14:30:03 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] How about an opinion? In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0810271214q49f05bbfjca03ca29dbc9555d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <156687.50715.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Worse than a Maytag single. Loud and annoying at shows. Sorry Luke if you are reading this. 8>)) Maybe not so bad if it has a very good muffler. ??? Alan in Michigan --- On Mon, 10/27/08, P. Johns wrote: > From: P. Johns > Subject: [SEL] How about an opinion? > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 3:14 PM > My apologies to the Stationary purists, but I have an > opportunity to get a > Fairmont that was used on a rail track maintenance car. > Is this worth the time to set it up? > > Paul in SanFran with limited space > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Oct 27 13:38:41 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:38:41 +0900 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com><4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net> <1225142309.490630256fcb6@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <60120EFCF8604F70A43CDD1C6022C284@your9e74d7efa7> Howdy Arnie,it 's all relative there's only twenty million of us ..As for Dundee ,dont mention that arsehole to me ,he a tax dodger who prefers to live in the US and you are welcome to the prick!What I am saying is that your banks started it ....was it Gordon Gecko? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > G'day Peter, > > Oh you poor, poor baby. Imagine how I feel? Our government is taking a > bazillion of OUR tax dollars and doling it out to PERFECTLY HEALTHY > businesses!! Case in point that rankles me. PNC bank buys National City > bank > for $5.6 billion thus becoming the fifth largest bank in the US. And our > Uncle > Sugar gives PNC bank $7.7 billion! > http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/24/news/companies/bank_stocks/index.htm > > And you whine about your taxes propping up a few struggling Aussie banks? > > Gimmie a break. To paraphrase that well known Aussie symbol, Crocodile > Dundee, > "You call that a tax mess? THIS is a tax mess." > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting peter ogborne : > > > >> Now all these years latter I feel the same way ,I can not influence how >> the >> US regulates it's banks and financial institutions ,but my tax is being >> used to prop up banks here who have suffered as a result of the US >> fiasco....drawing a long bow ,perhaps but worth a comment or two! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Oct 27 14:43:25 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:43:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] How about an opinion? In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0810271214q49f05bbfjca03ca29dbc9555d@mail.gmail.com> References: <8d3c36fb0810271214q49f05bbfjca03ca29dbc9555d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5078E71E-91F5-4E9D-A786-F2D731017E1A@rustyiron.com> On Oct 27, 2008, at 12:14 PM, P. Johns wrote: > My apologies to the Stationary purists, but I have an opportunity to > get a > Fairmont that was used on a rail track maintenance car. > Is this worth the time to set it up? Hi Paul, Can you get the entire speeder? I've had the pleasure of getting to ride a couple, and it's a blast. There are two dangers, however: getting run over by a train, and getting overrun by a horde of hobos. http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/speeder.jpg From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Oct 27 14:51:40 2008 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:51:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] [SPAM] Re: OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <1225142728.490631c8a7852@webmail.city-net.com> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> <768BD7D97C1146118C28E2334DF4FDF4@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <1225142728.490631c8a7852@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <490637EC.9020801@insulate.co.uk> Hi Arnie Damn right - our beer industry needs you! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7691987.stm Dolly fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Holy crap Craig, you're right, it has fallen!! I show $1.55 per pound. This > summer wasn't it up around $2.10 per pound? > > I need to get my arse back across the pond with a fistful of greenbacks! > > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Oct 27 14:56:07 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:56:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. Message-ID: You can't attach pictures to SEL messages :-( But you can click on these. They were taken yesterday. http://xrl.us/ovbgx http://xrl.us/ovbgz http://xrl.us/ovbg9 From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Oct 27 15:08:43 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:08:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6AC2651B-3283-4138-9B4C-18A354673501@rustyiron.com> On Oct 27, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > You can't attach pictures to SEL messages > :-( > But you can click on these. > They were taken yesterday. Oh, snap! These problems wouldn't occur if we could attach pictures. Here's another try of some engine pictures: http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Hornsby-C-17.jpg http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Hornsby-Blimp.jpg http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Hornsby-Cadets.jpg From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Oct 27 16:12:32 2008 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:12:32 -0800 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. Message-ID: <20081027.151232.1576.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Rob. Those all go to the same site. Where did you go? It looks like Reg is in the picture. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:56:07 -0700 Rob Skinner writes: > You can't attach pictures to SEL messages > :-( > But you can click on these. > They were taken yesterday. > > http:rl.us/ovbgx > http://xrl.us/ovbgz > http://xrl.us/ovbg9 ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find Medical Transcription Training programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nFN8jgJEI1HlsXpFMggxD1kPDJSJswShsTNf4SlL9Yu38Xr/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Oct 27 15:19:48 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:19:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. In-Reply-To: <20081027.151232.1576.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20081027.151232.1576.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: On Oct 27, 2008, at 4:12 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi Rob. Those all go to the same site. Where did you go? It looks > like > Reg is in the picture. Sorry Ron. Wrong set of pictures. Try the new links. You should have come out, it was a VERY good show. Rob From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 15:21:25 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. In-Reply-To: <6AC2651B-3283-4138-9B4C-18A354673501@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <665716.18020.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Who are those three young folks in the third picture? Alan in Michigan --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Rob Skinner wrote: > From: Rob Skinner > Subject: Re: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:08 PM > On Oct 27, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > You can't attach pictures to SEL messages > > :-( > > But you can click on these. > > They were taken yesterday. > > Oh, snap! > These problems wouldn't occur if we could attach > pictures. > Here's another try of some engine pictures: > > http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Hornsby-C-17.jpg > > http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Hornsby-Blimp.jpg > > http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Hornsby-Cadets.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon Oct 27 15:22:52 2008 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:22:52 -0000 Subject: [SEL] [SPAM] Re: OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com><768BD7D97C1146118C28E2334DF4FDF4@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <1225142728.490631c8a7852@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: This summer your right I was getting just over $2 per pound before I crossed the pond to add to your economic prosperity. The first time I came over in 2004 it was about $1.50 per pound so this is not good ( may put further trips on back burner) Cheers, Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] [SPAM] Re: OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > Holy crap Craig, you're right, it has fallen!! I show $1.55 per pound. > This > summer wasn't it up around $2.10 per pound? > > I need to get my arse back across the pond with a fistful of greenbacks! > > See ya, Arnie From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Oct 27 15:47:26 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:47:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <60120EFCF8604F70A43CDD1C6022C284@your9e74d7efa7> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com><4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net> <1225142309.490630256fcb6@webmail.city-net.com> <60120EFCF8604F70A43CDD1C6022C284@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <1225147646.490644fe74340@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Peter, Quoting peter ogborne : > your banks started it ....was it Gordon Gecko? No, he does telly commercials for GEICO insurance. See ya, Arnie From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Oct 27 14:57:07 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:57:07 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Three for one deal Message-ID: <7CCC2909A3E94FB38C46633FBD2F318C@your9e74d7efa7> Rob ,whats that little engine sort of under the blimp in front of the old timer? From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Oct 27 16:13:15 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:13:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com><768BD7D97C1146118C28E2334DF4FDF4@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <1225142728.490631c8a7852@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: On Oct 27, 2008, at 3:22 PM, craig morrison wrote: > This summer your right I was getting just over $2 per pound before I > crossed > the pond to add to your economic prosperity. The first time I came > over in > 2004 it was about $1.50 per pound so this is not good ( may put > further > trips on back burner) Don't worry about it, mate! Just start packing some of those shipping containers with some of your fine Scottish engines, and we'll be HAPPY to assist in YOUR economic prosperity. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Oct 27 16:16:29 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:16:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. In-Reply-To: <665716.18020.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <665716.18020.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <52BE2D7A-3C61-4645-977E-B346C5E22295@rustyiron.com> On Oct 27, 2008, at 3:21 PM, Alan wrote: > Who are those three young folks in the third picture? > > Alan in Michigan Hi Alan, Those young ladies are cadets of the 2nd Platoon. The show was at the Joint Forces Training Base, for the benefit of the community, the soldiers and their families. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Oct 27 16:19:46 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:19:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Three for one deal In-Reply-To: <7CCC2909A3E94FB38C46633FBD2F318C@your9e74d7efa7> References: <7CCC2909A3E94FB38C46633FBD2F318C@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <5661A9F6-C478-4FE7-8BC9-862B81D6E71B@rustyiron.com> On Oct 27, 2008, at 2:57 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > Rob ,whats that little engine sort of under the blimp in front of > the old timer? Old Timer?! That's none other than Gibson Gus, engine man, truck man, and part-time husband to visiting southern belles in need. But I'll say no more, because what happens in California stays in California. Perhaps Gus can answer questions about his display. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Oct 27 16:20:05 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:20:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1225149605.49064ca582e79@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Rob, Great pic of "fun with a speeder." Easily worth sending three times. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Rob Skinner : > You can't attach pictures to SEL messages > :-( > But you can click on these. > They were taken yesterday. > > http://xrl.us/ovbgx > http://xrl.us/ovbgz > http://xrl.us/ovbg9 From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Oct 27 16:23:40 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:23:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. In-Reply-To: <6AC2651B-3283-4138-9B4C-18A354673501@rustyiron.com> References: <6AC2651B-3283-4138-9B4C-18A354673501@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1225149820.49064d7c3d896@webmail.city-net.com> Rob, What's the story on the Horny Cadets? See ya, Arnie Quoting Rob Skinner : > http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Horny-Cadets.jpg From james.kangas at timken.com Mon Oct 27 16:22:02 2008 From: james.kangas at timken.com (Kangas, James G.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:22:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. References: <6AC2651B-3283-4138-9B4C-18A354673501@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: "These problems wouldn't occur if we could attach pictures."Yes it would be nice if they would change the rules to allow jpegs to be attached. Jim K. ________________________________ From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Rob Skinner Sent: Mon 10/27/2008 6:08 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message,three engine pictures. On Oct 27, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > You can't attach pictures to SEL messages > :-( > But you can click on these. > They were taken yesterday. Oh, snap! Here's another try of some engine pictures: http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Hornsby-C-17.jpg http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Hornsby-Blimp.jpg http://www.rustyiron.com/temp/Hornsby-Cadets.jpg _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Oct 27 17:07:35 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:07:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> <4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Peter, What kind of cheese would you like with that? Dave On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:04 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > Hello Arnie and Dave ,so good to hear you again ,for a while now due > to the > fiscal crisis and your political situation I feared you had taken to > the > hills. Now at the risk of upsetting someone who wishes for a 100 > engine > related emails a day I thought I would run this past you..... > In 1773 there was the Boston Tea Party,those bloody colonists tipped > all > that tea into the harbour .I know a little about this affair > probably more > than you know about the ''NSW Rum Corp''.Sorry I diverge ,where was > I ,yes > the Tea party.As you would well know the reason for this act of wanton > vandalism was the misguided view of these colonists that they were > being > unfairly taxed .Perhaps from todays point of view they were indeed. > My next point,due to the misguided practice of certain American > banks and > lending institutions a global financial crisis has resulted and we > all hope > that it does not get to the stage of 1929.However it has resulted in > non > Amercan Goverments bailing out their own banks and lending > institutions and > the world sinking into recession.Here in Australia, Rudd the > almighty has > guaranteed all bank accounts will be safe ,there is no limit to how > much > moolah you can have in deposit .If you have money in a investment > scheme as > a lot of poor old self funded retired engine men do then Rudd the > Almighty > says go and see Centerlink [ or ''Let Them Eat Cake''] > Sorry I diverge again, where was I ,yes the Tea Party,well the way I > see it > was those poor Yankee Colonists saw this tax as ''Tax with out > Representation''. > Now all these years latter I feel the same way ,I can not influence > how the > US regulates it's banks and financial institutions ,but my tax is > being > used to prop up banks here who have suffered as a result of the US > fiasco....drawing a long bow ,perhaps but worth a comment or two! > To appease those who wish for those 100 a day engine related > emails ,yes I > could have gone to Slick Willy but there are so many crack pots on > that ,it > is worse than getting a 100 engine related emails a day..... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Tucker" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:33 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > > >> On Oct 27, 2008, at 12:17 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >> >>> ROFLMAO!!! Brilliant reply George. Where do we "unfortunates" line >>> up? >> >> Hey Nukeboy, you have a sideshaft or 2 and since I have NONE and am >> relatively local to the Land of Lincoln Refuge for Drool Worthy Iron, >> wherever the line is you're definitely BEHIND me!!! >> >> Mike >> >>> >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> Quoting "Best, George" : >>> >>>> Don't worry. >>>> >>>> Obama likes to redistribute wealth by taking from those that have >>>> and >>>> giving to the less fortunate. >>>> >>>> Seems to me his supporters should have the same views, and realize >>>> how >>>> wrong it is for them to have so many rare engines and sideshafts. >>>> >>>> I'll be looking forward to the redistribution of engines to us less >>>> fortunate collectors! >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> >>>> Hi Arnie, Did you,know that Tommy Turner (Yes, THE JUDGE) is IN THE >>>> TANK for Obama? >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> ______________________ >> Michael Tucker >> oldironnut at alltel.net >> Versailles, Kentucky, USA >> ______________________ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Oct 27 17:10:52 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:10:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <60120EFCF8604F70A43CDD1C6022C284@your9e74d7efa7> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com><4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net> <1225142309.490630256fcb6@webmail.city-net.com> <60120EFCF8604F70A43CDD1C6022C284@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <9C01EFE7-5349-44B6-B9E9-C0557465ED5E@alltel.net> Well, at least the man has good taste as far as a place to live goes! Dave On Oct 27, 2008, at 4:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > As for > Dundee ,dont mention that arsehole to me ,he a tax dodger who > prefers to > live in the US From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Oct 27 16:57:05 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:57:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. In-Reply-To: <1225149820.49064d7c3d896@webmail.city-net.com> References: <6AC2651B-3283-4138-9B4C-18A354673501@rustyiron.com> <1225149820.49064d7c3d896@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <49C2A812-0C1A-4290-92B4-C3D85434CAFD@rustyiron.com> On Oct 27, 2008, at 4:23 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > What's the story on It's a good thing you're not here, bro, otherwise it would my duty as a gentleman to knock you down and pour Budweiser on you. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Oct 27 16:29:56 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:29:56 +0900 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com><4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net> Message-ID: Cheese ,cheese...need an explanation of that ,couldn't be tea and cheese! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > Hi Peter, What kind of cheese would you like with that? > Dave > > > On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:04 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > >> Hello Arnie and Dave ,so good to hear you again ,for a while now due >> to the >> fiscal crisis and your political situation I feared you had taken to >> the >> hills. Now at the risk of upsetting someone who wishes for a 100 >> engine >> related emails a day I thought I would run this past you..... >> In 1773 there was the Boston Tea Party,those bloody colonists tipped >> all >> that tea into the harbour .I know a little about this affair >> probably more >> than you know about the ''NSW Rum Corp''.Sorry I diverge ,where was >> I ,yes >> the Tea party.As you would well know the reason for this act of wanton >> vandalism was the misguided view of these colonists that they were >> being >> unfairly taxed .Perhaps from todays point of view they were indeed. >> My next point,due to the misguided practice of certain American >> banks and >> lending institutions a global financial crisis has resulted and we >> all hope >> that it does not get to the stage of 1929.However it has resulted in >> non >> Amercan Goverments bailing out their own banks and lending >> institutions and >> the world sinking into recession.Here in Australia, Rudd the >> almighty has >> guaranteed all bank accounts will be safe ,there is no limit to how >> much >> moolah you can have in deposit .If you have money in a investment >> scheme as >> a lot of poor old self funded retired engine men do then Rudd the >> Almighty >> says go and see Centerlink [ or ''Let Them Eat Cake''] >> Sorry I diverge again, where was I ,yes the Tea Party,well the way I >> see it >> was those poor Yankee Colonists saw this tax as ''Tax with out >> Representation''. >> Now all these years latter I feel the same way ,I can not influence >> how the >> US regulates it's banks and financial institutions ,but my tax is >> being >> used to prop up banks here who have suffered as a result of the US >> fiasco....drawing a long bow ,perhaps but worth a comment or two! >> To appease those who wish for those 100 a day engine related >> emails ,yes I >> could have gone to Slick Willy but there are so many crack pots on >> that ,it >> is worse than getting a 100 engine related emails a day..... >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Michael Tucker" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? >> >> >>> On Oct 27, 2008, at 12:17 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >>> >>>> ROFLMAO!!! Brilliant reply George. Where do we "unfortunates" line >>>> up? >>> >>> Hey Nukeboy, you have a sideshaft or 2 and since I have NONE and am >>> relatively local to the Land of Lincoln Refuge for Drool Worthy Iron, >>> wherever the line is you're definitely BEHIND me!!! >>> >>> Mike >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> See ya, Arnie >>>> >>>> Quoting "Best, George" : >>>> >>>>> Don't worry. >>>>> >>>>> Obama likes to redistribute wealth by taking from those that have >>>>> and >>>>> giving to the less fortunate. >>>>> >>>>> Seems to me his supporters should have the same views, and realize >>>>> how >>>>> wrong it is for them to have so many rare engines and sideshafts. >>>>> >>>>> I'll be looking forward to the redistribution of engines to us less >>>>> fortunate collectors! >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> >>>>> Hi Arnie, Did you,know that Tommy Turner (Yes, THE JUDGE) is IN THE >>>>> TANK for Obama? >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> ______________________ >>> Michael Tucker >>> oldironnut at alltel.net >>> Versailles, Kentucky, USA >>> ______________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Oct 27 16:32:04 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:32:04 +0900 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com><4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net><1225142309.490630256fcb6@webmail.city-net.com><60120EFCF8604F70A43CDD1C6022C284@your9e74d7efa7> <9C01EFE7-5349-44B6-B9E9-C0557465ED5E@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1DF3811671A8481192C0D75FACA19F97@your9e74d7efa7> Dave ,I beleave that the plastic surgeons are better over your way ....Hogans appearance has changed that much he is hardly recognisable ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > Well, at least the man has good taste as far as a place to live goes! > Dave > > > On Oct 27, 2008, at 4:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote: >> As for >> Dundee ,dont mention that arsehole to me ,he a tax dodger who >> prefers to >> live in the US > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plb at iinet.net.au Mon Oct 27 17:47:43 2008 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:47:43 +0900 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <1DF3811671A8481192C0D75FACA19F97@your9e74d7efa7> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com><4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net><1225142309.490630256fcb6@webmail.city-net.com><60120EFCF8604F70A43CDD1C6022C284@your9e74d7efa7> <9C01EFE7-5349-44B6-B9E9-C0557465ED5E@alltel.net> <1DF3811671A8481192C0D75FACA19F97@your9e74d7efa7> Message-ID: <001801c93896$c9dec700$5d9c5500$@net.au> There you go. Maybe Hoges can give Dave his number. Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2008 8:32 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? Dave ,I beleave that the plastic surgeons are better over your way ....Hogans appearance has changed that much he is hardly recognisable ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > Well, at least the man has good taste as far as a place to live goes! > Dave > > > On Oct 27, 2008, at 4:38 PM, peter ogborne wrote: >> As for >> Dundee ,dont mention that arsehole to me ,he a tax dodger who >> prefers to >> live in the US > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Oct 27 19:52:38 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:52:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] How about an opinion? Message-ID: <20081027.220230.1140.3.jlb94@juno.com> YES Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "You couldn't lick inflation if they made it an ice cream flavor." On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:14:18 -0700 "P. Johns" writes: > My apologies to the Stationary purists, but I have an opportunity to > get a > Fairmont that was used on a rail track maintenance car. > Is this worth the time to set it up? > > Paul in SanFran with limited space > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > ____________________________________________________________ Click to become a master chef, own a restaurant and make millions. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m4pDK7gkjPxlKupuPuSoEuBeaIXz4rG92HNenSptnkuCLLv/ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 22:00:04 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:00:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160810272200i48968878j38efeb1f762ed6cd@mail.gmail.com> On 27/10/2008, Alan wrote: > Hi Folks, > This sure is a different list than what it was when I joined up. > No I don't actually WANT 100 messages a day but I would like to see a little > more activity. > Now who has been playing with their engines? This is something that has impacted other mailing groups as well as SEL and Oldengine.org. When engine-related was at its peak in the late 1990's, web-based forums were relatively rare, so most of the traffic went through the email lists. Now there are literally hundreds of forums, the volume is diluted across those extra places, and many of us just don't have the time to be on all of them all the time. The Usenet newsgroups are suffering as well, they have gone from 15,000 groups to over 100,000, and the same problem arises, dilution of the available traffic across a larger number of more and more specialised groups. I can remember the indiana.edu lists well, and still have a lot of the emails on old hard drives, it is interesting to go back occasionally and see how positions and opinions have changed. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 22:05:30 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:05:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] [SPAM] Re: OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <1225142728.490631c8a7852@webmail.city-net.com> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com> <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> <1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com> <768BD7D97C1146118C28E2334DF4FDF4@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <1225142728.490631c8a7852@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160810272205x68ed2e7bsfce827a7da2e3947@mail.gmail.com> On 27/10/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Holy crap Craig, you're right, it has fallen!! I show $1.55 per pound. > This summer wasn't it up around $2.10 per pound? > > I need to get my arse back across the pond with a fistful of greenbacks! > > See ya, Arnie Stay there! It is still relatively cheap for us to come over to you, but petrol is still nearly a ?1 per litre and diesel is ?1.08 per litre as of yesterday. Seems prices are always slow to go down, even though the price of crude had more than halved. We've just bought a new laptop in the USA (Acer Aspire One) which is substantially cheaper than the UK, the only snag is the US keyboard layout, but that's no big deal. We also managed a fair bit of 'goods transfer' on our two trips to the USA this year :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Oct 27 23:50:55 2008 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:50:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Old Hoffmann bearing In-Reply-To: <6f6025160810270646l6287cf0au4994735b345f6ef2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003d01c938c9$87069fb0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Thanks for the information Peter. However I found a company on the internet in England who had original parts. Thanks again. Ron Canberra -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2008 12:47 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Old Hoffmann bearing On 27/10/2008, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 27/10/2008, Ron Page wrote: >> Hi all >> >> I am restoring an old water pump and require a bearing which is a Hoffmann >> MS9ACD or equivalent. It is approximately two and a quarter inches OD and >> 29/32 ID. Any information would be appreciated. >> Thanks >> Ron > > It also comes up as a Nato stock number: 3110-99-950-1929 > > 7/8" bore, 2-1/4" OD and 11/16" wide. > > Peter In stock at our local bearing place, ?37.27 each plus VAT, Part No MJT7/8 as per peter Lowe's post. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1708 - Release Date: 4/10/2008 11:35 AM From canuckiron at wightman.ca Tue Oct 28 01:26:49 2008 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 04:26:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4906CCC9.1070201@wightman.ca> I remember at least 100 messages a day. Everybody just got busy. I know I did. lol Mostly lurk now. Duncan Alan wrote: >Hi Folks, >This sure is a different list than what it was when I joined up. >No I don't actually WANT 100 messages a day but I would like to see a little more activity. >Now who has been playing with their engines? >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Tue Oct 28 01:49:20 2008 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (Derek) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:19:20 +1030 Subject: [SEL] OT, stobie poles In-Reply-To: <003d01c938c9$87069fb0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: There was talk of South Australias stobie poles recently, here is a great set of pictures of one, with a Ferrari. http://www.news.com.au/gallery/0,23607,5035441-5007150-1,00.html From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 28 05:47:14 2008 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:47:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? References: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com><84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160810272200i48968878j38efeb1f762ed6cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004c01c938fb$4e6ea2b0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b> > I can remember the indiana.edu lists well, and still have a lot of the > emails on old hard drives, it is interesting to go back occasionally > and see how positions and opinions have changed.>> I came around on running Bon Ami in a cylinder oiler . Aint scratched yet . From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Oct 28 05:52:28 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:52:28 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Manuals added Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081028145140.01f2bdf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, 2 more manuals added to my download page today. 1) Enfield Mk. 1 (twin cyl. diesel) maintenance instructions. 2) Enfield Mk. 1 (twin cyl. diesel) parts list. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Oct 28 07:45:24 2008 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:45:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? Message-ID: <20081028.101625.964.1.jlb94@juno.com> Now who has been playing with their engines? = = = = = = = Hi List, Well Alan, looks like you've started a land slide of e-mails. Yesterday, I had about 60 or so. I haven't been playing with the engines much, mostly because of the cold weather coming in and getting the house ready for winter, but I have purchased a new (old) Yellow Dog (no-name) over eBay. Once it got here, I checked it to be sure it didn't leak, cleaned it out with some Kerosene, made a wick out of mop head from the Dollar Store and got it ready to set out on Halloween night. Yellow Dogs make a nice background for the rest of my lanterns. The little gremlins seem to be mesmerized by seeing actual "fire" instead of some battery powered junk. Of course, you have to be sure they don't get too close. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "You couldn't lick inflation if they made it an ice cream flavor." ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Click to get a loan. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mKiwPzoP2rcH4mGRjdj8WFvHGCODVGmYRkKyfuSYwdcujaN/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 28 08:17:47 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:17:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160810272200i48968878j38efeb1f762ed6cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160810272200i48968878j38efeb1f762ed6cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1225207067.49072d1bb12ff@webmail.city-net.com> Peter, Some things have remained constant over the years since indiana.edu. Maytags are still vile, noxious beasts only worthy as axe-holders. http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html See ya, Arnie PS - That's NOT a big pretzel sitting on top of that Maytag... Quoting Listerdiesel : > I can remember the indiana.edu lists well, and still have a lot of the > emails on old hard drives, it is interesting to go back occasionally > and see how positions and opinions have changed. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 28 08:29:48 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:29:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT, stobie poles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1225207788.49072fecc2b31@webmail.city-net.com> Derek, What are "stobie poles" exactly? They appear to be very robust. I'll wager that the one sporting the Ferrari decoration won't need much beyond a paint touch-up to be back in service. See ya, Arnie Quoting Derek : > There was talk of South Australias stobie poles recently, here is a great > set of pictures of one, with a Ferrari. > http://www.news.com.au/gallery/0,23607,5035441-5007150-1,00.html From George_Best at adp.com Tue Oct 28 08:55:50 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:55:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT, stobie poles In-Reply-To: <1225207788.49072fecc2b31@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1225207788.49072fecc2b31@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BFFB37@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stobie_pole -----Original Message----- Derek, What are "stobie poles" exactly? They appear to be very robust. I'll wager that the one sporting the Ferrari decoration won't need much beyond a paint touch-up to be back in service. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 28 08:49:22 2008 From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:49:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT, stobie poles References: <1225207788.49072fecc2b31@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stobie_pole ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, stobie poles > Derek, > > What are "stobie poles" exactly? They appear to be very robust. > I'll wager that the one sporting the Ferrari decoration won't need much > beyond a > paint touch-up to be back in service. > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Derek : > >> There was talk of South Australias stobie poles recently, here is a great >> set of pictures of one, with a Ferrari. >> http://www.news.com.au/gallery/0,23607,5035441-5007150-1,00.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1752 - Release Date: 10/28/2008 10:04 AM From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 28 09:04:41 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:04:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One message, three engine pictures. In-Reply-To: <49C2A812-0C1A-4290-92B4-C3D85434CAFD@rustyiron.com> References: <6AC2651B-3283-4138-9B4C-18A354673501@rustyiron.com> <1225149820.49064d7c3d896@webmail.city-net.com> <49C2A812-0C1A-4290-92B4-C3D85434CAFD@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1225209881.49073819b911c@webmail.city-net.com> Well Rob, that might be the ONLY useful thing to do with that swill. OTOH, a full can of Bud (or Bud Light) does make a lovely big splash when you hit it with a suitable projectile. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Rob Skinner : > It's a good thing you're not here, bro, otherwise it would my duty as > a gentleman to knock you down and pour Budweiser on you. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 09:59:27 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:59:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <1225207067.49072d1bb12ff@webmail.city-net.com> References: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160810272200i48968878j38efeb1f762ed6cd@mail.gmail.com> <1225207067.49072d1bb12ff@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160810280959u4670a5f8x6201fdf3fba4691@mail.gmail.com> On 28/10/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Peter, > > Some things have remained constant over the years since indiana.edu. > Maytags are still vile, noxious beasts only worthy as axe-holders. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/ > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - That's NOT a big pretzel sitting on top of that Maytag... History may well prove you wrong. Thanks mainly to Dave's web coverage of Fred's 'motors' they are even more popular now than they were 10 years ago... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Oct 28 13:03:09 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:03:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160810280959u4670a5f8x6201fdf3fba4691@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160810272200i48968878j38efeb1f762ed6cd@mail.gmail.com> <1225207067.49072d1bb12ff@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160810280959u4670a5f8x6201fdf3fba4691@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1225224189.49076ffd81a1a@webmail.city-net.com> Damn right they are!! With that shape you just can't find a better boat anchor! Quoting Listerdiesel : > History may well prove you wrong. Thanks mainly to Dave's web coverage > of Fred's 'motors' they are even more popular now than they were 10 > years ago... :-)) From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Oct 28 14:21:01 2008 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:21:01 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT, stobie poles References: <1225207788.49072fecc2b31@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <31F678A6F0BD4DFE88ED61214E0225A3@PETER> The reason that photo looks so spectacular is that the Ferrari has its engine in the back. So until it hit the fire wall it was only going through tin plate, fibre glass and steering components. Still, I would not like to be a passenger !!!! Now this pictures shows how weak the power poles really are ;-)))) forget the story line as it has changed meaning many times on the internet, the pictures are real. http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://officespam.chattablogs.com/archives/Ferrari-Engine-7-thumb.jpg&imgrefurl=http://officespam.chattablogs.com/archives/2007/03/dad-can-i-borrow-the-car.html&h=428&w=640&sz=72&hl=en&start=11&usg=__Bka4yf2LFIOc1lZ40igxIrq1avc=&tbnid=rcjhH0kzC1oPvM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dferrari%2Bengine%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dig www.wreckedexotics.com When Kaye and I were driving from San Francisco to Rob & Kelley's in Los Angeles, a Ferrari and a Mercedes convertible were road racing and passed us like a scud missile. The noise was great from those V8 or V12 ??? engines. They over took us and about 10 other cars in a straight line and then over a blind crest. The older drivers that were being over taken in front of us were so frightened by the experience, half of them pulled over to the side of the road to check their pacemakers. Peter, Oz From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 15:12:44 2008 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <1225224189.49076ffd81a1a@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <730842.29477.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Arnie, You are one great story teller. Too bad it's all fiction. 8>)) A few years ago when I took just a Maytag single and a twin to a little show I wish I had set up a camcorder to catch how many people just loved seeing those two silly engines run together. Teenagers and grandpas alike were asking questions about why they ran so differently. It was a far better attention than I had ever seen in previous years with much better flywheel engines. Alan in Michigan --- On Tue, 10/28/08, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > From: fero_ah at city-net.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 4:03 PM > Damn right they are!! > > With that shape you just can't find a better boat > anchor! > > Quoting Listerdiesel : > > > History may well prove you wrong. Thanks mainly to > Dave's web coverage > > of Fred's 'motors' they are even more > popular now than they were 10 > > years ago... :-)) > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Tue Oct 28 15:24:50 2008 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:24:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT, stobie poles In-Reply-To: <1225207788.49072fecc2b31@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1225207788.49072fecc2b31@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <001301c9394c$02e157b0$08a40710$@net.au> Arnie They are unique to South Australia and used to carry electricity wires. They are made up of steel H iron with concrete between them and bolted together. They come in various sizes. There was never suitable tall timber in South Australia, hence their invention. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2008 1:30 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, stobie poles Derek, What are "stobie poles" exactly? They appear to be very robust. I'll wager that the one sporting the Ferrari decoration won't need much beyond a paint touch-up to be back in service. See ya, Arnie Quoting Derek : > There was talk of South Australias stobie poles recently, here is a great > set of pictures of one, with a Ferrari. > http://www.news.com.au/gallery/0,23607,5035441-5007150-1,00.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From camaned at iinet.net.au Tue Oct 28 15:34:57 2008 From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:34:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT, stobie poles In-Reply-To: <31F678A6F0BD4DFE88ED61214E0225A3@PETER> References: <1225207788.49072fecc2b31@webmail.city-net.com> <31F678A6F0BD4DFE88ED61214E0225A3@PETER> Message-ID: <895479E8C5EE4D97AAA9EE52D793C6B1@CamPC> Hey Pete it was more likely their undies and not their pacemakers. Cheers Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lowe" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, stobie poles > The reason that photo looks so spectacular is that the Ferrari has its > engine in the back. So until it hit the fire wall it was only going > through > tin plate, fibre glass and steering components. > Still, I would not like to be a passenger !!!! > > Now this pictures shows how weak the power poles really are ;-)))) forget > the story line as it has changed meaning many times on the internet, the > pictures are real. > http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://officespam.chattablogs.com/archives/Ferrari-Engine-7-thumb.jpg&imgrefurl=http://officespam.chattablogs.com/archives/2007/03/dad-can-i-borrow-the-car.html&h=428&w=640&sz=72&hl=en&start=11&usg=__Bka4yf2LFIOc1lZ40igxIrq1avc=&tbnid=rcjhH0kzC1oPvM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dferrari%2Bengine%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dig > > www.wreckedexotics.com > > When Kaye and I were driving from San Francisco to Rob & Kelley's in Los > Angeles, a Ferrari and a Mercedes convertible were road racing and passed > us > like a scud missile. The noise was great from those V8 or V12 ??? engines. > They over took us and about 10 other cars in a straight line and then over > a > blind crest. The older drivers that were being over taken in front of us > were so frightened by the experience, half of them pulled over to the side > of the road to check their pacemakers. > > Peter, Oz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Oct 28 17:46:55 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:46:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: <6f6025160810280959u4670a5f8x6201fdf3fba4691@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081023043029.AF759444860@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com> <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6f6025160810272200i48968878j38efeb1f762ed6cd@mail.gmail.com> <1225207067.49072d1bb12ff@webmail.city-net.com> <6f6025160810280959u4670a5f8x6201fdf3fba4691@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19833F21-6556-42ED-A418-B788959925A4@alltel.net> > History may well prove you wrong. Thanks mainly to Dave's web coverage > of Fred's 'motors' they are even more popular now than they were 10 > years ago... :-)) > > Peter Hell Peter, Deer hunting here in PA is more popular than it was 10 years ago. What's your point? Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Oct 28 21:14:45 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:14:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? In-Reply-To: References: <84087.25957.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1225084552.49054e88b1e4b@webmail.city-net.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><1225124247.4905e997e99d9@webmail.city-net.com><4ACB6671-4770-4337-AE15-25FE4A0C069E@alltel.net> Message-ID: Peter, I just thought some sort of cheese might go well with your Whine! Dave On Oct 27, 2008, at 7:29 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > Cheese ,cheese...need an explanation of that ,couldn't be tea and > cheese! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:07 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? > > >> Hi Peter, What kind of cheese would you like with that? >> Dave >> >> >> On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:04 PM, peter ogborne wrote: >> >>> Hello Arnie and Dave ,so good to hear you again ,for a while now due >>> to the >>> fiscal crisis and your political situation I feared you had taken to >>> the >>> hills. Now at the risk of upsetting someone who wishes for a 100 >>> engine >>> related emails a day I thought I would run this past you..... >>> In 1773 there was the Boston Tea Party,those bloody colonists tipped >>> all >>> that tea into the harbour .I know a little about this affair >>> probably more >>> than you know about the ''NSW Rum Corp''.Sorry I diverge ,where was >>> I ,yes >>> the Tea party.As you would well know the reason for this act of >>> wanton >>> vandalism was the misguided view of these colonists that they were >>> being >>> unfairly taxed .Perhaps from todays point of view they were indeed. >>> My next point,due to the misguided practice of certain American >>> banks and >>> lending institutions a global financial crisis has resulted and we >>> all hope >>> that it does not get to the stage of 1929.However it has resulted in >>> non >>> Amercan Goverments bailing out their own banks and lending >>> institutions and >>> the world sinking into recession.Here in Australia, Rudd the >>> almighty has >>> guaranteed all bank accounts will be safe ,there is no limit to how >>> much >>> moolah you can have in deposit .If you have money in a investment >>> scheme as >>> a lot of poor old self funded retired engine men do then Rudd the >>> Almighty >>> says go and see Centerlink [ or ''Let Them Eat Cake''] >>> Sorry I diverge again, where was I ,yes the Tea Party,well the way I >>> see it >>> was those poor Yankee Colonists saw this tax as ''Tax with out >>> Representation''. >>> Now all these years latter I feel the same way ,I can not influence >>> how the >>> US regulates it's banks and financial institutions ,but my tax is >>> being >>> used to prop up banks here who have suffered as a result of the US >>> fiasco....drawing a long bow ,perhaps but worth a comment or two! >>> To appease those who wish for those 100 a day engine related >>> emails ,yes I >>> could have gone to Slick Willy but there are so many crack pots on >>> that ,it >>> is worse than getting a 100 engine related emails a day..... >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Michael Tucker" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> engine.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:33 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day? >>> >>> >>>> On Oct 27, 2008, at 12:17 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> ROFLMAO!!! Brilliant reply George. Where do we "unfortunates" >>>>> line >>>>> up? >>>> >>>> Hey Nukeboy, you have a sideshaft or 2 and since I have NONE and am >>>> relatively local to the Land of Lincoln Refuge for Drool Worthy >>>> Iron, >>>> wherever the line is you're definitely BEHIND me!!! >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> See ya, Arnie >>>>> >>>>> Quoting "Best, George" : >>>>> >>>>>> Don't worry. >>>>>> >>>>>> Obama likes to redistribute wealth by taking from those that have >>>>>> and >>>>>> giving to the less fortunate. >>>>>> >>>>>> Seems to me his supporters should have the same views, and >>>>>> realize >>>>>> how >>>>>> wrong it is for them to have so many rare engines and sideshafts. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll be looking forward to the redistribution of engines to us >>>>>> less >>>>>> fortunate collectors! >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Arnie, Did you,know that Tommy Turner (Yes, THE JUDGE) is IN >>>>>> THE >>>>>> TANK for Obama? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> ______________________ >>>> Michael Tucker >>>> oldironnut at alltel.net >>>> Versailles, Kentucky, USA >>>> ______________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Tue Oct 28 23:55:31 2008 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:55:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT, stobie poles In-Reply-To: <001301c9394c$02e157b0$08a40710$@net.au> References: <1225207788.49072fecc2b31@webmail.city-net.com> <001301c9394c$02e157b0$08a40710$@net.au> Message-ID: And a work if engineering genius they are too! Can't say they are beautiful but some, especially the main junction ones (ie larger) have been turned into art works by having the concrete centres painted by artists. The modern version (less the concrete in fill) just don't seem the same. Case of love them or hate them (majority of opinion I think) but have to admit that they seem to easily exceed the 30 year plus expected working life and never seem to bend if a car hits them - no matter how fast it was going! Ouch!!!!!! :) Regards, Mark On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Steven N Kitto wrote: > Arnie > They are unique to South Australia and used to carry electricity > wires. They > are made up of steel H iron with concrete between them and bolted > together. > They come in various sizes. There was never suitable tall timber in > South > Australia, hence their invention. > Steve > > Steve and Denise Kitto > 95 Coleyville Road > Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 > Ph 07 54671541 > > As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. > Proverbs 27:19 > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > fero_ah at city-net.com > Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2008 1:30 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, stobie poles > > Derek, > > What are "stobie poles" exactly? They appear to be very robust. > I'll wager that the one sporting the Ferrari decoration won't need > much > beyond a > paint touch-up to be back in service. > > See ya, Arnie > > Quoting Derek : > >> There was talk of South Australias stobie poles recently, here is a >> great >> set of pictures of one, with a Ferrari. >> http://www.news.com.au/gallery/0,23607,5035441-5007150-1,00.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark Kennedy Ballarat, Victoria, Australia Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy 'Training Down Under with the majesty of the South Australian Railways' All aboard the Pichi Richi Railway! http://www.prr.org.au/ *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. 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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Oct 29 00:44:05 2008 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:44:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT, stobie poles In-Reply-To: References: <1225207788.49072fecc2b31@webmail.city-net.com> <001301c9394c$02e157b0$08a40710$@net.au> Message-ID: <49081445.8000506@rustic-engines.com> > http://www.pandoramurals.com.au/images/large/giesha_stobiepole.jpg > http://www.urbanecology.org.au/adelaide/douglas/goodwoodstobiepoleart.jpg They bend. http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5398267,00.jpg Al Harris Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz al.harris at rustic-engines.com Mark Kennedy wrote: > And a work if engineering genius they are too! > > Can't say they are beautiful but some, especially the main junction > ones (ie larger) have been turned into art works by having the > concrete centres painted by artists. > > The modern version (less the concrete in fill) just don't seem the > same. Case of love them or hate them (majority of opinion I think) but > have to admit that they seem to easily exceed the 30 year plus > expected working life and never seem to bend if a car hits them - no > matter how fast it was going! Ouch!!!!!! > > :) > > Regards, > > Mark > > > On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Steven N Kitto wrote: > > >> Arnie >> They are unique to South Australia and used to carry electricity >> wires. They >> are made up of steel H iron with concrete between them and bolted >> together. >> They come in various sizes. There was never suitable tall timber in >> South >> Australia, hence their invention. >> Steve >> >> Steve and Denise Kitto >> 95 Coleyville Road >> Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 >> Ph 07 54671541 >> >> As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. >> Proverbs 27:19 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >> fero_ah at city-net.com >> Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2008 1:30 >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, stobie poles >> >> Derek, >> >> What are "stobie poles" exactly? They appear to be very robust. >> I'll wager that the one sporting the Ferrari decoration won't need >> much >> beyond a >> paint touch-up to be back in service. >> >> See ya, Arnie >> > From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Wed Oct 29 01:52:47 2008 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:52:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] OT, stobie poles In-Reply-To: <49081445.8000506@rustic-engines.com> References: <1225207788.49072fecc2b31@webmail.city-net.com> <001301c9394c$02e157b0$08a40710$@net.au> <49081445.8000506@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: <985EC486-66A4-437A-96DB-986DE402DD2C@netconnect.com.au> But not much! As my father used to day, any thing will bend if you hit it hard enough with something big enough! Given the choice, I'd rather NOT trying hitting a Stobie pole with anything that I was in/attached too! Mark On Oct 29, 2008, at 6:44 PM, Al Harris wrote: >> http://www.pandoramurals.com.au/images/large/giesha_stobiepole.jpg >> http://www.urbanecology.org.au/adelaide/douglas/goodwoodstobiepoleart.jpg > They bend. > > http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5398267,00.jpg > > Al Harris > Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz > > al.harris at rustic-engines.com > > > > Mark Kennedy wrote: >> And a work if engineering genius they are too! >> >> Can't say they are beautiful but some, especially the main junction >> ones (ie larger) have been turned into art works by having the >> concrete centres painted by artists. >> >> The modern version (less the concrete in fill) just don't seem the >> same. Case of love them or hate them (majority of opinion I think) >> but >> have to admit that they seem to easily exceed the 30 year plus >> expected working life and never seem to bend if a car hits them - no >> matter how fast it was going! Ouch!!!!!! >> >> :) >> >> Regards, >> >> Mark >> >> >> On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Steven N Kitto wrote: >> >> >>> Arnie >>> They are unique to South Australia and used to carry electricity >>> wires. They >>> are made up of steel H iron with concrete between them and bolted >>> together. >>> They come in various sizes. There was never suitable tall timber in >>> South >>> Australia, hence their invention. >>> Steve >>> >>> Steve and Denise Kitto >>> 95 Coleyville Road >>> Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 >>> Ph 07 54671541 >>> >>> As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. >>> Proverbs 27:19 >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >>> fero_ah at city-net.com >>> Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2008 1:30 >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT, stobie poles >>> >>> Derek, >>> >>> What are "stobie poles" exactly? They appear to be very robust. >>> I'll wager that the one sporting the Ferrari decoration won't need >>> much >>> beyond a >>> paint touch-up to be back in service. >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark Kennedy Ballarat, Victoria, Australia Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy 'Training Down Under with the majesty of the South Australian Railways' All aboard the Pichi Richi Railway! http://www.prr.org.au/ *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any effected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender. From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Wed Oct 29 04:47:26 2008 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:47:26 +0900 Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES Message-ID: Hello all, I have just aquired 4 engines that I need to know when they were made, info as per engine tags No 1 Austral Petrol Engine Pty Ltd Ballarat Ronaldson Bros & Tippet 3hp 14159 950 rpm type "N" no2 bhp type S.P.B. Nos 1675 revs per min 600/700 manufactured by Harris Scarfe & Sandovers Ltd Perth West Australia by arrangement with Ruston & Hornsby ltd Lincoln England no3 International s/n w12109 no4 unkown but could be a Simplicity s/n JJ 61704 3 hp any help will be appreciated Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Oct 29 09:21:40 2008 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:21:40 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Some more manuals Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081029181643.00bea078@mail.cyberserv.co.za> Hi Guys, Yesterday it was the Enfield Diesel manuals and today I've added another 2 manuals (unfortunately they are both in German). Look here: for : Deutz Model MA 268/711 parts list (in German)(1989 Kbytes) Deutz Model MA 268/711 service manual (In German) (1423 Kbytes) I hope that they are of use to some members. Keep well. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 29 12:41:45 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:41:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Ronnie N would be around October 1938. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _____ Hello all, I have just aquired 4 engines that I need to know when they were made, info as per engine tags No 1 Austral Petrol Engine Pty Ltd Ballarat Ronaldson Bros & Tippet 3hp 14159 950 rpm type "N" no2 bhp type S.P.B. Nos 1675 revs per min 600/700 manufactured by Harris Scarfe & Sandovers Ltd Perth West Australia by arrangement with Ruston & Hornsby ltd Lincoln England no3 International s/n w12109 no4 unkown but could be a Simplicity s/n JJ 61704 3 hp any help will be appreciated Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Oct 29 12:48:07 2008 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:48:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Question for the Machinists - Advice Needed - OT Message-ID: <1225309687.4908bdf7e8ee0@webmail.city-net.com> Folks, I need a little advice on dimensioning some parts I'm designing for one of my measurement applications. I'm using commercial titanium pipe for a number of pieces in the assembly to keep the total weight down. In this application, aluminum isn't an option. When I assemble the whole rig, I'd like for the parts to be a smooth-running slip fit without being too sloppy. I need to dimension the following: - A hole bored in a block that needs to slip onto a length of 3/4" Sch. 10S titanium pipe. The nominal OD for 3/4" pipe is 1.050". Depending on whether it's welded or seamless pipe, there will be normal "commercial tolerances" for that OD (and for the ID). But I'll be damned if I can find that data on the net. So given the (presently unknown) tolerances in the 1.050" OD, what diameter and tolerances would you specify for a smooth-running slip fit? Thanks. Any help would be appreciated as the hole is presently dimensioned 1.080 +.015/-.000 and that "feels" too sloppy in my mind. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 13:17:20 2008 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:17:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Question for the Machinists - Advice Needed - OT In-Reply-To: <1225309687.4908bdf7e8ee0@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1225309687.4908bdf7e8ee0@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160810291317o5c2c88bfi80a71931bf46e207@mail.gmail.com> On 29/10/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Folks, > > I need a little advice on dimensioning some parts I'm designing for one of > my > measurement applications. > > I'm using commercial titanium pipe for a number of pieces in the assembly to > keep the total weight down. In this application, aluminum isn't an option. > > When I assemble the whole rig, I'd like for the parts to be a smooth-running > slip fit without being too sloppy. I need to dimension the following: > > - A hole bored in a block that needs to slip onto a length of > 3/4" Sch. 10S titanium pipe. The nominal OD for 3/4" pipe is 1.050". > Depending on whether it's welded or seamless pipe, there will be > normal "commercial tolerances" for that OD (and for the ID). > But I'll be damned if I can find that data on the net. > > So given the (presently unknown) tolerances in the 1.050" OD, what diameter > and > tolerances would you specify for a smooth-running slip fit? > > Thanks. Any help would be appreciated as the hole is presently dimensioned > 1.080 +.015/-.000 and that "feels" too sloppy in my mind. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > I've just turned the CAD system off, but you can do the simple stuff fairly easily. A smooth hand-running fit with both parts having a good surface finish is only a few of thou or so, assuming a light film of oil, 5-10 thou starts to feel sloppy. You need to find out the actual size of the pipe you are going to use, and if it is +-15thou tolerance, then you're not going to know what size it really is until you buy it. Ground OD tube is usually within a thou or so, and all you need to do is to make sure your hole don't go undersize at all and tie the oversize to something that will allow you to take the commercial size tolerance and use it. I've just been drawing up a stainless steel adapter connector that allows our customers to plug a 100A charger (2-pin, unequal pins) into a 200A train socket (2 equal pins with polarising pin) The connector has to be in two parts as there is a large 75mm retaining collar on the front which mates with the threaded socket on the train, and that same threaded socket is replicated on the back for the other connector to screw to. The two body parts have a 0.0025" free running fit and are held together with 3 X M4 stainless cap head screws, retained by Loctitie. Tolerances are set up on both parts so they can actually be made and any pair will fit together. Stainless and Titanium will wring together horribly, so if you have any parts that are these materials, be careful with fits. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Oct 29 14:31:27 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:31:27 +0900 Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES References: Message-ID: <9FDE67D55B714ED1B31010E254DD4012@your9e74d7efa7> Kevin ,re the Ruston Hornsby SPB...........I have a list that was originaly compiled by Pat O'Brien who was the register for these engines .The current register I think is Tom Linguard .Tom used to reside in WA but I have no idea where he now lives...some one will know. Pat believed that engine numbering started at number 501 but he gives no dates. My list starts at No 521and goes through to S1387.It does not run concurrently and there are quite a lot of gaps.Those listed are complete with the owner and state of restoration at the time. As a matter of interest my engine is S670 .I know the owner who passed it on to me and he has given me the full background history .It is interesting as it came from and old homestead in the Fitzgerald River National Park ,spent some time at Bremmer Bay and finally made it back to Qualup ,then to Kendernup and then to me in Albany. Apparently there is a story in TOMMS Number 22 ,April 89 which may help you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin armstrong" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:47 PM Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES > Hello all, > > I have just aquired 4 engines that I need to know when they were made, > info as per engine tags > No 1 > Austral Petrol Engine Pty Ltd Ballarat > Ronaldson Bros & Tippet 3hp 14159 > 950 rpm type "N" > > no2 > bhp type S.P.B. > Nos 1675 > revs per min 600/700 > manufactured by Harris Scarfe & Sandovers Ltd > Perth West Australia > by arrangement with > Ruston & Hornsby ltd > Lincoln England > > no3 > > International s/n w12109 > > no4 > > unkown but could be a Simplicity > s/n JJ 61704 > 3 hp > > any help will be appreciated > > Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong > Collectors of old things > Perth > WA > Australia > Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member > V.C.C. of WA. member > k_armstrong at arach.net.au > www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Wed Oct 29 14:46:29 2008 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:46:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001501c93a0f$d170a270$7451e750$@net.au> Patrick Do you have the info for dating Ronnie N's ? I have 5 that I can estimate the dates from a rally list, but no accurate method. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 5:42 To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] ENGINE DATES The Ronnie N would be around October 1938. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _____ Hello all, I have just aquired 4 engines that I need to know when they were made, info as per engine tags No 1 Austral Petrol Engine Pty Ltd Ballarat Ronaldson Bros & Tippet 3hp 14159 950 rpm type "N" no2 bhp type S.P.B. Nos 1675 revs per min 600/700 manufactured by Harris Scarfe & Sandovers Ltd Perth West Australia by arrangement with Ruston & Hornsby ltd Lincoln England no3 International s/n w12109 no4 unkown but could be a Simplicity s/n JJ 61704 3 hp any help will be appreciated Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ilifa at internode.on.net Wed Oct 29 14:54:30 2008 From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:54:30 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kevin, I just wrote up a reply to your question about the Ruston Hornsby, then deleted it when I found out I had been making an incorrect assumption. There is a report I have read about the completion of a batch of over 1200 engines for the army. Then I put 2 and 2 together and came up with 5! I though, if for the army, this would have been in the 1940-1945 era when imports were a problem. The problem with this is that Harris Scarfe & Sandovers only came into existence in 1947, as far as I can tell. What Peter said about starting at No.501 would fit with your engine having a number higher than 1200 odd. Peter, do you have any dates? Prior to the merger, Sandovers were building Chapman marine engines under licence. Eric From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Oct 29 14:49:19 2008 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:49:19 EDT Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES Message-ID: In a message dated 10/29/2008 7:53:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, k_armstrong at arach.net.au writes: no3 International s/n w12109 The serial number says it is a 1916 Mogul model. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at AOL.com **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Oct 30 10:53:01 2008 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 02:53:01 +0900 Subject: [SEL] Re Engine dates Message-ID: We might get more help [local that is] if this goes to TOMM 's Forum. However re dates ,no dates on anything i have.Only that this register was comenced April 1989. There are a lot of names and contacts from all over Australia,as a ''''document man'' would you like me to send you a copy? My father worked for.the hardware side of Sandovers .They had a large engineeering works where as you say they built Chapman Engines amongst many other things. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 29 22:28:17 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:28:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES In-Reply-To: <001501c93a0f$d170a270$7451e750$@net.au> References: <001501c93a0f$d170a270$7451e750$@net.au> Message-ID: <2FF0A8BDDE994817912FD51127D96F83@PML> Hi Steve, I have put a compiled dating list of R-T numbers from 1911 to 1970 on my site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/australnumbers.html This is compiled using various sources. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Patrick Do you have the info for dating Ronnie N's ? I have 5 that I can estimate the dates from a rally list, but no accurate method. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 5:42 To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] ENGINE DATES The Ronnie N would be around October 1938. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _____ Hello all, I have just aquired 4 engines that I need to know when they were made, info as per engine tags No 1 Austral Petrol Engine Pty Ltd Ballarat Ronaldson Bros & Tippet 3hp 14159 950 rpm type "N" no2 bhp type S.P.B. Nos 1675 revs per min 600/700 manufactured by Harris Scarfe & Sandovers Ltd Perth West Australia by arrangement with Ruston & Hornsby ltd Lincoln England no3 International s/n w12109 no4 unkown but could be a Simplicity s/n JJ 61704 3 hp any help will be appreciated Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sndakitto at activ8.net.au Wed Oct 29 23:25:59 2008 From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:25:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES In-Reply-To: <2FF0A8BDDE994817912FD51127D96F83@PML> References: <001501c93a0f$d170a270$7451e750$@net.au> <2FF0A8BDDE994817912FD51127D96F83@PML> Message-ID: <002301c93a58$637dc650$2a7952f0$@net.au> Thanks Patrick Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 15:28 To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] ENGINE DATES Hi Steve, I have put a compiled dating list of R-T numbers from 1911 to 1970 on my site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/australnumbers.html This is compiled using various sources. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html -----Original Message----- Patrick Do you have the info for dating Ronnie N's ? I have 5 that I can estimate the dates from a rally list, but no accurate method. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 95 Coleyville Road Mutdapilly QLD Australia 4307 Ph 07 54671541 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M Livingstone Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 5:42 To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: Re: [SEL] ENGINE DATES The Ronnie N would be around October 1938. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _____ Hello all, I have just aquired 4 engines that I need to know when they were made, info as per engine tags No 1 Austral Petrol Engine Pty Ltd Ballarat Ronaldson Bros & Tippet 3hp 14159 950 rpm type "N" no2 bhp type S.P.B. Nos 1675 revs per min 600/700 manufactured by Harris Scarfe & Sandovers Ltd Perth West Australia by arrangement with Ruston & Hornsby ltd Lincoln England no3 International s/n w12109 no4 unkown but could be a Simplicity s/n JJ 61704 3 hp any help will be appreciated Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Oct 30 14:50:01 2008 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:50:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New Jersey collectors Message-ID: <801F56F7-AE98-4886-9C51-7090386F5CDF@rustyiron.com> Anyone near Pemberton? Write me off list. Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Oct 30 16:32:48 2008 From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:32:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Jersey collectors In-Reply-To: <801F56F7-AE98-4886-9C51-7090386F5CDF@rustyiron.com> References: <801F56F7-AE98-4886-9C51-7090386F5CDF@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: On Oct 30, 2008, at 5:50 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > Anyone near Pemberton? > Rob Skinner Hi Rob, YES! Dave From christison at coastalnet.com Thu Oct 30 17:58:42 2008 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:58:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed Message-ID: <380-220081053105842748@coastalnet.com> Can any of our Aussie folks help out with an ID on the engine I have put on a page here? http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/queensland/ Thanks, Ken Christison Conway, NC http://www.flickr.com/photos/kenskritters From Lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Oct 30 18:19:32 2008 From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:19:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed References: <380-220081053105842748@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <9BA4E261D86442439EC7672ABEC0DDA1@tommydk7hxjr4h> Ken, Looking at the carb and ignition lets me know they have some old iron "engineers" like we do in the US. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: ; "stationary-engine" Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed > > > Can any of our Aussie folks help out with an ID on the engine I have > put on a page here? > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/queensland/ > > Thanks, > > Ken Christison > Conway, NC > http://www.flickr.com/photos/kenskritters > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1757 - Release Date: 10/30/2008 2:35 PM From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Oct 30 18:37:26 2008 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (pml1 at bigpond.net.au) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:37:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed Message-ID: <3693575.1225417046417.JavaMail.root@nskntwebs03p> I am pretty sure it is a Capel. Patrick ---- Ken Christison wrote: > > > Can any of our Aussie folks help out with an ID on the engine I have > put on a page here? > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/queensland/ > > Thanks, > > Ken Christison > Conway, NC > http://www.flickr.com/photos/kenskritters > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From christison at coastalnet.com Thu Oct 30 18:39:21 2008 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:39:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed Message-ID: <380-220081053113921467@coastalnet.com> Tommy, I don't think the Yankees have a corner on the market in ingenuity;-) It is always interesting to see how folks "make do". Ken > [Original Message] > From: Judge Tommy Turner > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 10/30/2008 9:19:43 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine info needed > > Ken, > Looking at the carb and ignition lets me know they have some old iron > "engineers" like we do in the US. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Christison" > To: ; "stationary-engine" > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:58 PM > Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed > > > > > > > > Can any of our Aussie folks help out with an ID on the engine I have > > put on a page here? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/queensland/ > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ken Christison > > Conway, NC > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/kenskritters > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1757 - Release Date: 10/30/2008 > 2:35 PM > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From k_armstrong at arach.net.au Fri Oct 31 04:46:59 2008 From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:46:59 +0900 Subject: [SEL] [SPAM] Re Engine dates References: Message-ID: <21D5151B390B4DFAB7497B89D9A071E2@armstrong> thanks peter if you can send me a copy of names and contacts, it would be handy. regards Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong Collectors of old things Perth WA Australia Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member V.C.C. of WA. member k_armstrong at arach.net.au www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 2:53 AM Subject: [SPAM] [SEL] Re Engine dates > We might get more help [local that is] if this goes to TOMM 's Forum. > However re dates ,no dates on anything i have.Only that this register was > comenced April 1989. > There are a lot of names and contacts from all over Australia,as a > ''''document man'' would you like me to send you a copy? > My father worked for.the hardware side of Sandovers .They had a large > engineeering works where as you say they built Chapman Engines amongst > many other things. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Oct 31 13:46:55 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 07:46:55 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: G'Day Eric found a picture of Harris Scarfe & Sandovers at Perth 1929 show, http://innopac.slwa.wa.gov.au/record=b1920903 spot what looks like a Hornsby side shaft in the second photo am starting to look into company to up date my Australian engine page (which I have been slack in working on) http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Austmakers.html >. The problem with this is > that Harris Scarfe & Sandovers only came into existence in 1947, as > far as I can tell. Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz From George_Best at adp.com Fri Oct 31 14:49:54 2008 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:49:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908D09A3A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Looking at that 2nd picture from 1929 I couldn't help but notice that even back then they liked putting things behind fences! George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 1:47 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] ENGINE DATES G'Day Eric found a picture of Harris Scarfe & Sandovers at Perth 1929 show, http://innopac.slwa.wa.gov.au/record=b1920903 spot what looks like a Hornsby side shaft in the second photo am starting to look into company to up date my Australian engine page (which I have been slack in working on) http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Austmakers.html >. The problem with this is > that Harris Scarfe & Sandovers only came into existence in 1947, as > far as I can tell. Kerry Lithgow NSW Oz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Oct 31 15:18:57 2008 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:18:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908D09A3A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908D09A3A@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <2C97551B6CD349DB8FADF225AF1C6F40@KerryPC> G'Day George I did notice that when I posted it and did wonder if there would be a comment from the Americans ;-)) 1929 was the start of the great depression here so the company would have did it hard for the next 4 years. Kerry > Looking at that 2nd picture from 1929 I couldn't help but notice that > even back then they liked putting things behind fences! > > George > > > > G'Day Eric > > found a picture of Harris Scarfe & Sandovers at Perth 1929 show, > http://innopac.slwa.wa.gov.au/record=b1920903 > spot what looks like a Hornsby side shaft in the second photo > am starting to look into company to up date my Australian engine page > (which > I have been slack in working on) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/Austmakers.html > > >>. The problem with this is >> that Harris Scarfe & Sandovers only came into existence in 1947, as >> far as I can tell. > > > Kerry > Lithgow NSW Oz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an > authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments > from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1759 - Release Date: 31/10/2008 4:10 PM From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Oct 31 16:25:40 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:25:40 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed In-Reply-To: <380-220081053105842748@coastalnet.com> References: <380-220081053105842748@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20001020001930.020b3780@ncable.com.au> Ken there was recently a Woolsley on ebay that seemed to very similar characteristics?? Russell At 11:58 AM 31/10/2008, you wrote: >Can any of our Aussie folks help out with an ID on the engine I have >put on a page here? >http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/queensland/ > >Thanks, > >Ken Christison >Conway, NC >http://www.flickr.com/photos/kenskritters > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Oct 31 16:53:45 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 10:53:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20001020001930.020b3780@ncable.com.au> References: <380-220081053105842748@coastalnet.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20001020001930.020b3780@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081101105119.023125f0@ncable.com.au> Wanting an answer to my PC troubles? If you look at my last reply here the date shows up as 10 OCT 2000?? I have reset the time again now but why would this happen ??M What kind of gremlins do I have. I have also tried to post a note re the Aussie national which just wont come through?? I have sent it three time over the past 4 or 5 days?? Sorry about the OT Russell At 12:20 AM 20/10/2000, you wrote: >Ken there was recently a Woolsley on ebay that seemed to very similar >characteristics?? >Russell > > >At 11:58 AM 31/10/2008, you wrote: > > > >Can any of our Aussie folks help out with an ID on the engine I have > >put on a page here? > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/mystery/queensland/ > > > >Thanks, > > > >Ken Christison > >Conway, NC > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/kenskritters > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >Russell Gilbert >Sunny Sunraysia >russell at ncable.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From astfgl at iamnota.org Fri Oct 31 19:01:57 2008 From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:01:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081101105119.023125f0@ncable.com.au> References: <380-220081053105842748@coastalnet.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20001020001930.020b3780@ncable.com.au> <7.0.1.0.1.20081101105119.023125f0@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <490BB895.4080605@iamnota.org> My reply attribution doesn't include your system date, but the headers in this, your latest message, indicate you've fixed the problem. BTW, it's been a while since I've seen Eudora! Cheers, glen. Russell Gilbert wrote: > Wanting an answer to my PC troubles? If you look at my last reply > here the date shows up as 10 OCT 2000?? I have reset the time again > now but why would this happen ??M What kind of gremlins do I have. I > have also tried to post a note re the Aussie national which just wont > come through?? I have sent it three time over the past 4 or 5 days?? > Sorry about the OT > Russell From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Oct 31 20:49:11 2008 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:49:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed In-Reply-To: <490BB895.4080605@iamnota.org> References: <380-220081053105842748@coastalnet.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20001020001930.020b3780@ncable.com.au> <7.0.1.0.1.20081101105119.023125f0@ncable.com.au> <490BB895.4080605@iamnota.org> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081101144853.0232b6d8@ncable.com.au> G'day all; Is there any real interest in having the SEL gather in one area for the 2009 National?? I ask as I have just got off the phone to Alan Wheaton (from SA, not wagga) who has told me that all entries will be placed in club compounds. I, as a member of VMSOS could not go and jump into the compound with say some guys from Sydney! I will have my 6hp Campbell at the Rally along with two other Campbell engines. Brad Pit with his 4hp, and Mick Christie with his 2hp. (THE THREE OF US ARE ALL FROM DIFERENT CLUBS) We had the plan of putting the three engines together which would be quite a site. Alan said we would need to mark all entries as comming from the same club to get in the same compound?? So these guys would either have to say they are from our Mildura Club, or collectively we have enough interest to have an SEL compound?? So about time we heard from a number of you guys to actually voice what you want to do. Maybe you have already put your entries in for your own club area. I'm happy either way but would like to start having it planed out a bit. regards Russell PS: I would imagine? we would need at least a dozen SEL members to be given a voice/space at the rallyAt 01:01 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote: >My reply attribution doesn't include your system date, but the headers >in this, your latest message, indicate you've fixed the problem. > >BTW, it's been a while since I've seen Eudora! > >Cheers, glen. > >Russell Gilbert wrote: > > Wanting an answer to my PC troubles? If you look at my last reply > > here the date shows up as 10 OCT 2000?? I have reset the time again > > now but why would this happen ??M What kind of gremlins do I have. I > > have also tried to post a note re the Aussie national which just wont > > come through?? I have sent it three time over the past 4 or 5 days?? > > Sorry about the OT > > Russell >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From edsengns at optusnet.com.au Fri Oct 31 22:39:35 2008 From: edsengns at optusnet.com.au (Edd Payne) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:39:35 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed References: <380-220081053105842748@coastalnet.com><7.0.1.0.1.20001020001930.020b3780@ncable.com.au><7.0.1.0.1.20081101105119.023125f0@ncable.com.au><490BB895.4080605@iamnota.org> <7.0.1.0.1.20081101144853.0232b6d8@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Russell.At the moment I am intending to go to the national but it looks like we are getting told what to do already.I for one want to be in a compound with my friends not my club.The way things go I would probably be on my own or with maybe a couple of engines only.I have never pre registered for a rally in my life and don't intend to start now .I just turn up and go where my friends are.Why do the organisers alway try to take the fun out of this hobby with stupid rules!!!!!!!.I would be interested in a SEL compound but if Mick and Brock etc are not interested no go. EDD PAYNE PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W Australia 2852 Phone:0263742387 edsengns at optusnet.com.au edsengns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine info needed > G'day all; Is there any real interest in having the SEL gather in one > area for the 2009 National?? I ask as I have just got off the phone > to Alan Wheaton (from SA, not wagga) who has told me that all entries > will be placed in club compounds. I, as a member of VMSOS could not > go and jump into the compound with say some guys from Sydney! > > I will have my 6hp Campbell at the Rally along with two other > Campbell engines. Brad Pit with his 4hp, and Mick Christie with his > 2hp. (THE THREE OF US ARE ALL FROM DIFERENT CLUBS) We had the plan of > putting the three engines together which would be quite a site. Alan > said we would need to mark all entries as comming from the same club > to get in the same compound?? So these guys would either have to say > they are from our Mildura Club, or collectively we have enough > interest to have an SEL compound?? > > So about time we heard from a number of you guys to actually voice > what you want to do. Maybe you have already put your entries in for > your own club area. I'm happy either way but would like to start > having it planed out a bit. > > regards Russell > > PS: I would imagine? we would need at least a dozen SEL members to be > given a voice/space at the rallyAt 01:01 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote: >>My reply attribution doesn't include your system date, but the headers >>in this, your latest message, indicate you've fixed the problem. >> >>BTW, it's been a while since I've seen Eudora! >> >>Cheers, glen. >> >>Russell Gilbert wrote: >> > Wanting an answer to my PC troubles? If you look at my last reply >> > here the date shows up as 10 OCT 2000?? I have reset the time again >> > now but why would this happen ??M What kind of gremlins do I have. I >> > have also tried to post a note re the Aussie national which just wont >> > come through?? I have sent it three time over the past 4 or 5 days?? >> > Sorry about the OT >> > Russell >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >