From camaned at iinet.net.au  Sat Nov  1 00:09:52 2008
From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:09:52 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081101144853.0232b6d8@ncable.com.au>
References: <380-220081053105842748@coastalnet.com><7.0.1.0.1.20001020001930.020b3780@ncable.com.au><7.0.1.0.1.20081101105119.023125f0@ncable.com.au><490BB895.4080605@iamnota.org>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20081101144853.0232b6d8@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <AF43E2D050904CACB0AF919B84328DDB@CamPC>

Hi Russ, Mate that would have been great but I have already registered and I 
suppose like they say I have to go where I'm told now, it's b*lls#%t. What 
about Kerry and Fred at Narracorte, two compounds away and hardly anything 
in between. Cheers Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine info needed


> G'day all; Is there any real interest in having the SEL gather in one
> area for the 2009 National?? I ask as I have just got off the phone
> to Alan Wheaton (from SA, not wagga) who has told me that all entries
> will be placed in club compounds. I, as a member of VMSOS could not
> go and jump into the compound with say some guys from Sydney!
>
> I will have my 6hp Campbell at the Rally along with two other
> Campbell engines. Brad Pit with his 4hp, and Mick Christie with his
> 2hp. (THE THREE OF US ARE ALL FROM DIFERENT CLUBS) We had the plan of
> putting the three engines together which would be quite a site. Alan
> said we would need to mark all entries as comming from the same club
> to get in the same compound?? So these guys would either have to say
> they are from our Mildura Club, or collectively we have enough
> interest to have an SEL compound??
>
> So about time we heard from a number of you guys to actually voice
> what you want to do. Maybe you have already put your entries in for
> your own club area. I'm happy either way but would like to start
> having it planed out a bit.
>
> regards Russell
>
> PS: I would imagine? we would need at least a dozen SEL members to be
> given a voice/space at the rallyAt 01:01 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote:
>>My reply attribution doesn't include your system date, but the headers
>>in this, your latest message, indicate you've fixed the problem.
>>
>>BTW, it's been a while since I've seen Eudora!
>>
>>Cheers, glen.
>>
>>Russell Gilbert wrote:
>> > Wanting an answer to my PC troubles? If you look at my last reply
>> > here the date shows up as 10 OCT 2000?? I have reset the time again
>> > now but why would this happen ??M What kind of gremlins do I have. I
>> > have also tried to post a note re the Aussie national which just wont
>> > come through?? I have sent it three time over the past 4 or 5 days??
>> > Sorry about the OT
>> > Russell
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
> _______________________________________________
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> 



From brock at netspeed.com.au  Sat Nov  1 00:36:31 2008
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:36:31 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed
Message-ID: <490c06ff.107.3e07.2040472413@netspeed.com.au>

I agree with Edd we should not be told where to set up. If
you attend any other normal club rally we dont have to put
with this bull S#!+ i can understand that they are trying to
all clubs together maybe an idea we get a banner or a sign
made with the SEL logo like the guys use in portland etc
then they cant do nothing about it 
Brock

----- Original Message -----
From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine info needed
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:39:35 +1100

> Hi Russell.At the moment I am intending to go to the
> national but it looks  like we are getting told what to do
> already.I for one want to be in a  compound with my
> friends not my club.The way things go I would probably be 
> on my own or with maybe a couple of engines only.I have
> never pre registered  for a rally in my life and don't
> intend to start now .I just turn up and go  where my
> friends are.Why do the organisers alway try to take the
> fun out of  this hobby with stupid rules!!!!!!!.I would be
> interested in a SEL compound  but if Mick and Brock etc
> are not interested no go. EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Sent: Saturday, November
> 01, 2008 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine info needed
> 
> 
> > G'day all; Is there any real interest in having the SEL
> > gather in one area for the 2009 National?? I ask as I
> > have just got off the phone to Alan Wheaton (from SA,
> > not wagga) who has told me that all entries will be
> placed in club compounds. I, as a member of VMSOS could
> > not go and jump into the compound with say some guys
> from Sydney! >
> > I will have my 6hp Campbell at the Rally along with two
> > other Campbell engines. Brad Pit with his 4hp, and Mick
> > Christie with his 2hp. (THE THREE OF US ARE ALL FROM
> > DIFERENT CLUBS) We had the plan of putting the three
> > engines together which would be quite a site. Alan said
> we would need to mark all entries as comming from the same
> > club to get in the same compound?? So these guys would
> > either have to say they are from our Mildura Club, or
> > collectively we have enough interest to have an SEL
> compound?? >
> > So about time we heard from a number of you guys to
> > actually voice what you want to do. Maybe you have
> > already put your entries in for your own club area. I'm
> > happy either way but would like to start having it
> planed out a bit. >
> > regards Russell
> >
> > PS: I would imagine? we would need at least a dozen SEL
> > members to be given a voice/space at the rallyAt 01:01
> PM 1/11/2008, you wrote: >>My reply attribution doesn't
> include your system date, but the headers >>in this, your
> latest message, indicate you've fixed the problem. >>
> >>BTW, it's been a while since I've seen Eudora!
> >>
> >>Cheers, glen.
> >>
> >>Russell Gilbert wrote:
> >> > Wanting an answer to my PC troubles? If you look at
> my last reply >> > here the date shows up as 10 OCT 2000??
> I have reset the time again >> > now but why would this
> happen ??M What kind of gremlins do I have. I >> > have
> also tried to post a note re the Aussie national which
> just wont >> > come through?? I have sent it three time
> over the past 4 or 5 days?? >> > Sorry about the OT
> >> > Russell
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>SEL mailing list
> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > Russell Gilbert
> > Sunny Sunraysia
> > russell at ncable.com.au
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Sat Nov  1 00:52:23 2008
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:52:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed
In-Reply-To: <490c06ff.107.3e07.2040472413@netspeed.com.au>
References: <490c06ff.107.3e07.2040472413@netspeed.com.au>
Message-ID: <8EA4FD21F52B493C82A8A960E6FCEC2A@KerryPC>

Do as I do, tell all nationals to get stuffed, I will not go to another one, 
the Gestapo camp leaders can have the rallies to themselves.

Kerry
needed


>I agree with Edd we should not be told where to set up. 



From page at velocitynet.com.au  Sat Nov  1 02:04:38 2008
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:04:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed
In-Reply-To: <8EA4FD21F52B493C82A8A960E6FCEC2A@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <002501c93c00$de465e70$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Well well well.  Organisers are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
I think you will find that organizers try to cater for the majority and you
will find most attendees feel comfortable within their own group. However, I
am sure that if you put it to the organisers that you would like to have a
dedicated grouping they would oblige.  No harm in putting a case rather than
bleating about it.

Ron 

Canberra   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
Sent: Saturday, 1 November 2008 6:52 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine info needed

Do as I do, tell all nationals to get stuffed, I will not go to another one,

the Gestapo camp leaders can have the rallies to themselves.

Kerry
needed


>I agree with Edd we should not be told where to set up. 

_______________________________________________
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  1 14:29:30 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:29:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed
References: <380-220081053105842748@coastalnet.com><7.0.1.0.1.20001020001930.020b3780@ncable.com.au><7.0.1.0.1.20081101105119.023125f0@ncable.com.au><490BB895.4080605@iamnota.org><7.0.1.0.1.20081101144853.0232b6d8@ncable.com.au>
	<EA0CA78E705945E094779AB481CAB98A@Edd>
Message-ID: <009301c93c68$eddcb6a0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>



> Hi Russell.At the moment I am intending to go to the national but it looks
> like we are getting told what to do already.I for one want to be in a
> compound with my friends not my club.      Ed
///////
maybe an idea we get a banner or a sign
made with the SEL logo.     Brock
//////////
Do as I do, tell all nationals to get stuffed, I will not go to another one,
the Gestapo camp leaders can have the rallies to themselves.    Kerry
//////////////
/////////////////

Perhaps they fear an outbreak of violence between rival clubs  ?
They can be very territorial when it comes to shade and water spigots .

Chuck 



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Nov  2 00:17:27 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 18:17:27 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed
In-Reply-To: <8EA4FD21F52B493C82A8A960E6FCEC2A@KerryPC>
References: <490c06ff.107.3e07.2040472413@netspeed.com.au>
	<8EA4FD21F52B493C82A8A960E6FCEC2A@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <9C6AA7CC255440559414E741D8983361@PML>

I can understand the need for organisation at a big event but often the
organisers get so caught up in organising that they can suck all the
humanity and enjoyment out of an event. Setting rigorous rules, especially
in a hobby, is a sure way to drive people away.
I cannot put it as eloquently as Kerry, but I certainly will not be
bothering to go to the expense and time to drag an engine all the way to a
National just to put up with stupidity. I can stay here & go to work for
that.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html


-----Original Message-----


Do as I do, tell all nationals to get stuffed, I will not go to another one,

the Gestapo camp leaders can have the rallies to themselves.

Kerry






From mickc at vic.australis.com.au  Sun Nov  2 01:04:50 2008
From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (mick christie)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:04:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] [S] Re:  Engine info needed
References: <380-220081053105842748@coastalnet.com><7.0.1.0.1.20001020001930.020b3780@ncable.com.au><7.0.1.0.1.20081101105119.023125f0@ncable.com.au><490BB895.4080605@iamnota.org><7.0.1.0.1.20081101144853.0232b6d8@ncable.com.au>
	<EA0CA78E705945E094779AB481CAB98A@Edd>
Message-ID: <DD1D6930DFC744DEAEF682F523CF1312@n>

G'day all
all i can say about this club only thing is just dont worry about it, they 
tried to do this at the Naracourt national rally and it got hit on the head 
VERY, VERY quickly as nobody listened to them and they just let it go 
because they cannot police it and nobody was listening, what are they gunna 
do, send you home??!! i'll do what i always do and go where i want, if they 
have a problem they are gunna know about it!! trust me it wont work!!
   cheers
            mick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:39 PM
Subject: [S] Re: [SEL] Engine info needed


> Hi Russell.At the moment I am intending to go to the national but it looks
> like we are getting told what to do already.I for one want to be in a
> compound with my friends not my club.The way things go I would probably be
> on my own or with maybe a couple of engines only.I have never pre 
> registered
> for a rally in my life and don't intend to start now .I just turn up and 
> go
> where my friends are.Why do the organisers alway try to take the fun out 
> of
> this hobby with stupid rules!!!!!!!.I would be interested in a SEL 
> compound
> but if Mick and Brock etc are not interested no go.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 2:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine info needed
>
>
>> G'day all; Is there any real interest in having the SEL gather in one
>> area for the 2009 National?? I ask as I have just got off the phone
>> to Alan Wheaton (from SA, not wagga) who has told me that all entries
>> will be placed in club compounds. I, as a member of VMSOS could not
>> go and jump into the compound with say some guys from Sydney!
>>
>> I will have my 6hp Campbell at the Rally along with two other
>> Campbell engines. Brad Pit with his 4hp, and Mick Christie with his
>> 2hp. (THE THREE OF US ARE ALL FROM DIFERENT CLUBS) We had the plan of
>> putting the three engines together which would be quite a site. Alan
>> said we would need to mark all entries as comming from the same club
>> to get in the same compound?? So these guys would either have to say
>> they are from our Mildura Club, or collectively we have enough
>> interest to have an SEL compound??
>>
>> So about time we heard from a number of you guys to actually voice
>> what you want to do. Maybe you have already put your entries in for
>> your own club area. I'm happy either way but would like to start
>> having it planed out a bit.
>>
>> regards Russell
>>
>> PS: I would imagine? we would need at least a dozen SEL members to be
>> given a voice/space at the rallyAt 01:01 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote:
>>>My reply attribution doesn't include your system date, but the headers
>>>in this, your latest message, indicate you've fixed the problem.
>>>
>>>BTW, it's been a while since I've seen Eudora!
>>>
>>>Cheers, glen.
>>>
>>>Russell Gilbert wrote:
>>> > Wanting an answer to my PC troubles? If you look at my last reply
>>> > here the date shows up as 10 OCT 2000?? I have reset the time again
>>> > now but why would this happen ??M What kind of gremlins do I have. I
>>> > have also tried to post a note re the Aussie national which just wont
>>> > come through?? I have sent it three time over the past 4 or 5 days??
>>> > Sorry about the OT
>>> > Russell
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> Russell Gilbert
>> Sunny Sunraysia
>> russell at ncable.com.au
>> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Nov  2 06:42:01 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:42:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed
In-Reply-To: <9C6AA7CC255440559414E741D8983361@PML>
References: <490c06ff.107.3e07.2040472413@netspeed.com.au>
	<8EA4FD21F52B493C82A8A960E6FCEC2A@KerryPC>
	<9C6AA7CC255440559414E741D8983361@PML>
Message-ID: <0A6E29F1-EC1F-442E-91E5-DCD813C3A019@alltel.net>

The first time we had some of you guys from down under at the Portland  
show we built a cage to contain the "problems from OZ." After a while  
we found that if we gave you mates a few beers we could turn you loose  
and pretty well let you wander around almost any place you wanted to go.
	Dave
PS, Reg was, of course, a different story!



On Nov 2, 2008, at 2:17 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

> I can understand the need for organisation at a big event but often  
> the
> organisers get so caught up in organising that they can suck all the
> humanity and enjoyment out of an event. Setting rigorous rules,  
> especially
> in a hobby, is a sure way to drive people away.
> I cannot put it as eloquently as Kerry, but I certainly will not be
> bothering to go to the expense and time to drag an engine all the  
> way to a
> National just to put up with stupidity. I can stay here & go to work  
> for
> that.
> Patrick
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> Do as I do, tell all nationals to get stuffed, I will not go to  
> another one,
>
> the Gestapo camp leaders can have the rallies to themselves.
>
> Kerry
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Nov  2 12:53:23 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:53:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed
References: <490c06ff.107.3e07.2040472413@netspeed.com.au><8EA4FD21F52B493C82A8A960E6FCEC2A@KerryPC><9C6AA7CC255440559414E741D8983361@PML>
	<0A6E29F1-EC1F-442E-91E5-DCD813C3A019@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <0E240D1FA6D342FEAB92D2F0B7CE472D@PETER>

Reg should always be kept caged ;-))

Peter, Oz





> The first time we had some of you guys from down under at the Portland  
> show we built a cage to contain the "problems from OZ." After a while  
> we found that if we gave you mates a few beers we could turn you loose  
> and pretty well let you wander around almost any place you wanted to go.
> Dave
> PS, Reg was, of course, a different story!
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 2, 2008, at 2:17 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:
> 
>> I can understand the need for organisation at a big event but often  
>> the
>> organisers get so caught up in organising that they can suck all the
>> humanity and enjoyment out of an event. Setting rigorous rules,  
>> especially
>> in a hobby, is a sure way to drive people away.
>> I cannot put it as eloquently as Kerry, but I certainly will not be
>> bothering to go to the expense and time to drag an engine all the  
>> way to a
>> National just to put up with stupidity. I can stay here & go to work  
>> for
>> that.
>> Patrick
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>
>> Do as I do, tell all nationals to get stuffed, I will not go to  
>> another one,
>>
>> the Gestapo camp leaders can have the rallies to themselves.
>>
>> Kerry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From ilifa at internode.on.net  Sun Nov  2 15:14:02 2008
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:14:02 +1100
Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES
In-Reply-To: <AE40AFB4875B44C4A748655875546227@armstrong>
References: <AE40AFB4875B44C4A748655875546227@armstrong>
Message-ID: <A659417B-ADF9-4909-92DA-43EF09942E97@internode.on.net>

Regarding the dating of the Ruston Hornsby engines built by Harris  
Scarfe & Sandovers, I have been doing more research. Should have done  
it before my last misleading post!
 From an internet search I have found that Sandovers Ltd bought out  
the Perth branch of Harris, Scarfe & Co back in 1923. What confused me  
was that they advertised as Sandovers well into the 1940's.
So, this now makes the 1940 - 1945 era as the dates of manufacture for  
these engines as I originally believed. I just confused myself along  
the way!
Here are some sites to look at:
http://www.cityofadelaide.org.au/Sandover_William.shtml
http://adbonline.anu.edu.au/biogs/A160203b.htm
http://www.dhub.org/object/319882,perth
http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/ruston_hornsby/ruston_hornsby2.html

Eric



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Nov  2 17:55:09 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:55:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed
In-Reply-To: <0E240D1FA6D342FEAB92D2F0B7CE472D@PETER>
References: <490c06ff.107.3e07.2040472413@netspeed.com.au><8EA4FD21F52B493C82A8A960E6FCEC2A@KerryPC><9C6AA7CC255440559414E741D8983361@PML>
	<0A6E29F1-EC1F-442E-91E5-DCD813C3A019@alltel.net>
	<0E240D1FA6D342FEAB92D2F0B7CE472D@PETER>
Message-ID: <39CC9912-B2CD-44FD-961F-3F72CE43EC69@alltel.net>

Hi Peter, Why did you not warn us of that in 1998?
	Dave


On Nov 2, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Reg should always be kept caged ;-))
>
> Peter, Oz
>
>
>
>
>
>> The first time we had some of you guys from down under at the  
>> Portland
>> show we built a cage to contain the "problems from OZ." After a while
>> we found that if we gave you mates a few beers we could turn you  
>> loose
>> and pretty well let you wander around almost any place you wanted  
>> to go.
>> Dave
>> PS, Reg was, of course, a different story!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 2, 2008, at 2:17 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:
>>
>>> I can understand the need for organisation at a big event but often
>>> the
>>> organisers get so caught up in organising that they can suck all the
>>> humanity and enjoyment out of an event. Setting rigorous rules,
>>> especially
>>> in a hobby, is a sure way to drive people away.
>>> I cannot put it as eloquently as Kerry, but I certainly will not be
>>> bothering to go to the expense and time to drag an engine all the
>>> way to a
>>> National just to put up with stupidity. I can stay here & go to work
>>> for
>>> that.
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> Patrick M Livingstone
>>> Leichhardt NSW
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>
>>> Do as I do, tell all nationals to get stuffed, I will not go to
>>> another one,
>>>
>>> the Gestapo camp leaders can have the rallies to themselves.
>>>
>>> Kerry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Nov  2 19:16:43 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:16:43 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed
References: <490c06ff.107.3e07.2040472413@netspeed.com.au><8EA4FD21F52B493C82A8A960E6FCEC2A@KerryPC><9C6AA7CC255440559414E741D8983361@PML><0A6E29F1-EC1F-442E-91E5-DCD813C3A019@alltel.net><0E240D1FA6D342FEAB92D2F0B7CE472D@PETER>
	<39CC9912-B2CD-44FD-961F-3F72CE43EC69@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <B149B9288E8840AEB38E727E6A301FBA@PETER>

Sorry Dave, just slipped my mind (smile) NOT

Pete, Oz





> Hi Peter, Why did you not warn us of that in 1998?
> Dave
> 
> 
> On Nov 2, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Peter Lowe wrote:
> 
>> Reg should always be kept caged ;-))
>>
>> Peter, Oz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> The first time we had some of you guys from down under at the  
>>> Portland
>>> show we built a cage to contain the "problems from OZ." After a while
>>> we found that if we gave you mates a few beers we could turn you  
>>> loose
>>> and pretty well let you wander around almost any place you wanted  
>>> to go.
>>> Dave
>>> PS, Reg was, of course, a different story!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 2, 2008, at 2:17 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can understand the need for organisation at a big event but often
>>>> the
>>>> organisers get so caught up in organising that they can suck all the
>>>> humanity and enjoyment out of an event. Setting rigorous rules,
>>>> especially
>>>> in a hobby, is a sure way to drive people away.
>>>> I cannot put it as eloquently as Kerry, but I certainly will not be
>>>> bothering to go to the expense and time to drag an engine all the
>>>> way to a
>>>> National just to put up with stupidity. I can stay here & go to work
>>>> for
>>>> that.
>>>> Patrick
>>>>
>>>> Patrick M Livingstone
>>>> Leichhardt NSW
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do as I do, tell all nationals to get stuffed, I will not go to
>>>> another one,
>>>>
>>>> the Gestapo camp leaders can have the rallies to themselves.
>>>>
>>>> Kerry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>>>
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Nov  2 20:31:27 2008
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 22:31:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] RFD TV Show
In-Reply-To: <40495A852DF947749952596EF28E4072@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <40495A852DF947749952596EF28E4072@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <0K9Q0078XPVG9U33@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>

Sure do miss having the RFD TV... although I DON'T at all miss the 
Dish Network that it came with!!

-Tony


At 06:15 AM 10/27/2008, you wrote:
>I occasionally watch RFD TV and will catch an Engine and Tractor show
>they'll feature.  I got an email today from Aumann Auctions telling of
>their show on RFD TV called "Aumann's Album".   I haven't seen it on RFD
>but I'm going to try to catch it.  Here's a Youtube clip they sent with
>the email.  Looks like it could be fun to watch:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfcGxG-3ye8
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Nov  3 06:54:56 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:54:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day?
In-Reply-To: <451E08F514574A11AAE6A68895E657A4@GALMIWHOLROYDMH>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEIBHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

When I was up in 'ol Kaintuck last week, I studied the head and "injector" of a Thermoil so I can continue designing and building a small size (not model) Hvid engine.

Does that count??

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> milo at hughes.net
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 08:45 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ 
> messages per day?




From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Nov  3 06:58:15 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:58:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day?
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEIBHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Long live Socialism!

Gimme my engine!!!

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Best,
> George
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:31 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ 
> messages per day?
> 
> 
> Dave,
> 
> Don't worry.
> 
> Obama likes to redistribute wealth by taking from 
> those that have and
> giving to the less fortunate.
> 
> Seems to me his supporters should have the same 
> views, and realize how
> wrong it is for them to have so many rare engines 
> and sideshafts.
> 
> I'll be looking forward to the redistribution of 
> engines to us less
> fortunate collectors!
> 
> George




From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Nov  3 07:05:36 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:05:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC:  Three for one deal:  One message,
	three engine pictures.
In-Reply-To: <A178BE79-027B-415F-9D57-A0147D7C4256@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEICHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Rob:

All three came out the same.

I can remember the days of my youth when you could hear them a-comin' down the line..........Pu-putt, pu-putt, putt, putt, pu-putt.

All I can say is that they are a LOT less annoying than Maytage!   :-)

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Rob Skinner
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 04:56 PM
> To: Stationary-Engine ATIS
> Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One 
> message,three engine
> pictures.
> 
> 
> You can't attach pictures to SEL messages
> :-(
> But you can click on these.
> They were taken yesterday.
> 
> http://xrl.us/ovbgx
> http://xrl.us/ovbgz
> http://xrl.us/ovbg9




From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Mon Nov  3 15:54:58 2008
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:54:58 +0900
Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC:  Three for one deal:  One message,
 three engine pictures.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEICHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEICHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <490F8F52.3070402@optusnet.com.au>

Elden DuRand wrote:
> Rob:
>
> All three came out the same.
>
> I can remember the days of my youth when you could hear them a-comin' down the line..........Pu-putt, pu-putt, putt, putt, pu-putt.
>
> All I can say is that they are a LOT less annoying than Maytage!   :-)
>
> Take care - Elde
>   
===
I can remember going with my Uncle Pat who was a Railway Lengthsman 
Ganger at Tara, Quensland (Oz) in about 1946, on their Fairmont with a 
flat-top trailer, gang of half a dozen men with all their tools and 
equipment, plus a few kangaroo dogs. At the end of their length (about a 
45 mile length of railway they were responsible for), to return they 
simply stopped the engine (a 2-stroke), pushed the long magneto 
advance/retard lever back the opposite way and restarted the engine in 
reverse, and came home pushing the trailer.

It had no roof, windscreen, or other luxurious apointments - just a 
couple of padded planks for seats and footboards on each side, but I 
thought it was bonzer!

JW?
===



From gastzt at aol.com  Mon Nov  3 14:27:29 2008
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:27:29 EST
Subject: [SEL] RFD TV Show
Message-ID: <c5c.3c1bf01b.3640d4d1@aol.com>

directv does the trick very good with RFD  tv---     $29---
  Stan,
 Pleasanton, Tex
 
 
In a message dated 11/2/2008 10:33:55 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
kimmell at verizon.net writes:

Sure do  miss having the RFD TV... although I DON'T at all miss the 
Dish Network  that it came with!!

-Tony


At 06:15 AM 10/27/2008, you  wrote:
>I occasionally watch RFD TV and will catch an Engine and Tractor  show
>they'll feature.  I got an email today from Aumann Auctions  telling of
>their show on RFD TV called "Aumann's Album".   I  haven't seen it on RFD
>but I'm going to try to catch it.  Here's a  Youtube clip they sent with
>the email.  Looks like it could be fun  to  watch:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfcGxG-3ye8
>
>Tommy  Turner
>Magnolia,  KY
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL  mailing  list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov  3 17:09:44 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:09:44 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
Message-ID: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>

Gang, as usual I need some help.

My grandson, who lives with me, drives a 1997 Dodge Ram 1/2 Ton Pickup. He tells me that he can just be driving down the road, at ,and all of his dash lights and tail lights will go out. He has to pull over and remove the blown fuse and install a new fuse. I told him he is going to kill himself or someone else and that we have to locate the short.

Does anyone have a wiring diagram for this truck that they could share with me?

Thanks guys for any help you can give me on this.

Paul


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Nov  3 17:30:58 2008
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:30:58 EST
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
Message-ID: <d60.38e1a73d.3640ffd2@aol.com>

Paul.
Our local library has wiring diagrams for various vehicle.  I  can check with 
the library tomorrow if no one else can help  you.
 

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 93454

 
 
In a message dated 11/3/2008 5:14:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:

Does  anyone have a wiring diagram for this truck that they could share with 
me?  



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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 17:44:37 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:44:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
In-Reply-To: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
Message-ID: <341981.73229.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Paul;

Do you have a good sized library near you?
I go to our library and get a complete wiring diagram for every 
vehicle we get.
I can even get a detailed diagram just for any system on the car.
I found the general diagram confusing while working on power windows 
so I dropped by the library and printed out one that just has 
the power window wiring on it.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Mon, 11/3/08, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 8:09 PM
> Gang, as usual I need some help.
> 
> My grandson, who lives with me, drives a 1997 Dodge Ram 1/2
> Ton Pickup. He tells me that he can just be driving down the
> road, at ,and all of his dash lights and tail lights will go
> out. He has to pull over and remove the blown fuse and
> install a new fuse. I told him he is going to kill himself
> or someone else and that we have to locate the short.
> 
> Does anyone have a wiring diagram for this truck that they
> could share with me?
> 
> Thanks guys for any help you can give me on this.
> 
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From driggars at wildblue.net  Mon Nov  3 18:34:43 2008
From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:34:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
In-Reply-To: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
References: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
Message-ID: <490FB4C3.10809@wildblue.net>

paul
I was having this same problem a while back, I found that the wiring at 
the rear for a trailer hook up had rubbed on a sharp part of the bumper 
enough to expose the wires and shorted on occasion. I replaced it and 
all is well
Clint

paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Gang, as usual I need some help.
>
> My grandson, who lives with me, drives a 1997 Dodge Ram 1/2 Ton Pickup. He tells me that he can just be driving down the road, at ,and all of his dash lights and tail lights will go out. He has to pull over and remove the blown fuse and install a new fuse. I told him he is going to kill himself or someone else and that we have to locate the short.
>
> Does anyone have a wiring diagram for this truck that they could share with me?
>
> Thanks guys for any help you can give me on this.
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>   


From elidas at aol.com  Mon Nov  3 18:46:58 2008
From: elidas at aol.com (elidas at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:46:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
In-Reply-To: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
References: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
Message-ID: <8CB0C3EBD643B98-294-2EB7@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com>




-----Original Message-----
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 8:09 pm
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem



Gang, as usual I need some help.

My grandson, who lives with me, drives a 1997 Dodge Ram 1/2 Ton Pickup. 
He tells
me that he can just be driving down the road, at ,and all of his dash 
lights and
tail lights will go out. He has to pull over and remove the blown fuse 
and
install a new fuse. I told him he is going to kill himself or someone 
else and
that we have to locate the short.

Does anyone have a wiring diagram for this truck that they could share 
with me?

Thanks guys for any help you can give me on this.

Paul

  If this truck has a trailer hitch start at the trailer wiring. Very 
common. Did he make any "improvements"?
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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 18:59:12 2008
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:59:12 -0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
In-Reply-To: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
References: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0811031859p457d56e3tda22d8989c7a66a9@mail.gmail.com>

One and all:
Try this site:
http://www.marshallpl.org

scroll down,  you will see a little box that says "EBSCO HOST"
click the box it will bring up a sign in screen.

enter User ID:    marshall
password:        public

It doesn't have all manuals, but it has plenty. It also has small engine and
tractor manuals.

Paul in SanFran

PS: I'd start by looking for a trailer hook-up or other modifications.


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov  3 19:44:17 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:44:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
References: <d60.38e1a73d.3640ffd2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <828BE2EB19224C7EB0D06CCC1095C4EB@PAUL>

Thanks Francis. Right after I posted this message I had to make an emergency 
run for another one of the kids and I am just not getting back on the 
computer. I will let you know if someone else comes through for me.

I appreciate you.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem


> Paul.
> Our local library has wiring diagrams for various vehicle.  I  can check 
> with
> the library tomorrow if no one else can help  you.
>
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA 93454
>
>
>
> 


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov  3 19:47:01 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:47:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
References: <341981.73229.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5AE62D9271C440AC8433F6AD84278FDD@PAUL>

We have a small community library. I will call them tomorrow to see if they 
have any wiring diagrams for vehicles.

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem


> Hi Paul;
>
> Do you have a good sized library near you?
> I go to our library and get a complete wiring diagram for every
> vehicle we get.
> I can even get a detailed diagram just for any system on the car.
> I found the general diagram confusing while working on power windows
> so I dropped by the library and printed out one that just has
> the power window wiring on it.
>
> Alan in Michigan
>
> --- 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov  3 19:49:51 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:49:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
References: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
	<490FB4C3.10809@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <6C4A6085AF4C447B87B01A254097E20C@PAUL>

Thanks Clint, Alan said the same thing so I will begin the search back there 
tomorrow.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clint D" <driggars at wildblue.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem


> paul
> I was having this same problem a while back, I found that the wiring at
> the rear for a trailer hook up had rubbed on a sharp part of the bumper
> enough to expose the wires and shorted on occasion. I replaced it and
> all is well
> Clint
>
> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>> Gang, as usual I need some help.
>>
>> My grandson, who lives with me, drives a 1997 Dodge Ram 1/2 Ton Pickup. 
>> He tells me that he can just be driving down the road, at ,and all of his 
>> dash lights and tail lights will go out. He has to pull over and remove 
>> the blown fuse and install a new fuse. I told him he is going to kill 
>> himself or someone else and that we have to locate the short.
>>
>> Does anyone have a wiring diagram for this truck that they could share 
>> with me?
>>
>> Thanks guys for any help you can give me on this.
>>
>> Paul
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov  3 19:51:21 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:51:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
References: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
	<8CB0C3EBD643B98-294-2EB7@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8B1558EE1F0A4189A791965D0866E78D@PAUL>

No improvements but sure tearing a lot of things apart.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <elidas at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem


> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > 
> 
> Gang, as usual I need some help.
> 
> > 
> Paul
> 
>  If this truck has a trailer hitch start at the trailer wiring. Very 
> common. Did he make any "improvements"?
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov  3 19:51:49 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:51:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
References: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
	<8d3c36fb0811031859p457d56e3tda22d8989c7a66a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2313AE43ED0948AB9632A7EC4BB8BCBB@PAUL>

Thanks Paul, I will go and check this out.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem


> One and all:
> Try this site:
> http://www.marshallpl.org
>
> scroll down,  you will see a little box that says "EBSCO HOST"
> click the box it will bring up a sign in screen.
>
> enter User ID:    marshall
> password:        public
>
> It doesn't have all manuals, but it has plenty. It also has small engine 
> and
> tractor manuals.
>
> Paul in SanFran
>
> PS: I'd start by looking for a trailer hook-up or other modifications.
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov  3 19:56:03 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:56:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
References: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
	<8d3c36fb0811031859p457d56e3tda22d8989c7a66a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <616586C783E748679E24C1B337921F60@PAUL>

Paul I went to the site and have searched everywhere and cannot fine the 
"EBSCO HOST" box you metnioned. I must be missing something.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem


> One and all:
> Try this site:
> http://www.marshallpl.org
>
> scroll down,  you will see a little box that says "EBSCO HOST"
> click the box it will bring up a sign in screen.
>
> enter User ID:    marshall
> password:        public
>
> It doesn't have all manuals, but it has plenty. It also has small engine 
> and
> tractor manuals.
>
> Paul in SanFran
>
> PS: I'd start by looking for a trailer hook-up or other modifications.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Nov  3 20:06:14 2008
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:06:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
In-Reply-To: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL><8CB0C3EBD643B98-294-2EB7@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com>
	<8B1558EE1F0A4189A791965D0866E78D@PAUL>
References: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL><8CB0C3EBD643B98-294-2EB7@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com>
	<8B1558EE1F0A4189A791965D0866E78D@PAUL>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS56CC7EBBE517C55156872BB1C0@phx.gbl>

Paul, put in a new fuse, turn on everything (hopefully it won't blow) and 
start wiggling wires, especially around the trailer connector if it has one.

  Work all the way up to the front.

Good Luck,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem


> No improvements but sure tearing a lot of things apart.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <elidas at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >
> >
> > Gang, as usual I need some help.
> >
> > >
> > Paul
> >
> >  If this truck has a trailer hitch start at the trailer wiring. Very
> > common. Did he make any "improvements"?
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From christison at coastalnet.com  Mon Nov  3 20:14:53 2008
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:14:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
Message-ID: <380-22008112441453546@coastalnet.com>

Click on "Databases" in the left column, then EBSCO Host

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 11/3/2008 10:56:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
>
> Paul I went to the site and have searched everywhere and cannot fine the 
> "EBSCO HOST" box you metnioned. I must be missing something.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
>
>
> > One and all:
> > Try this site:
> > http://www.marshallpl.org
> >
> > scroll down,  you will see a little box that says "EBSCO HOST"
> > click the box it will bring up a sign in screen.
> >
> > enter User ID:    marshall
> > password:        public
> >
> > It doesn't have all manuals, but it has plenty. It also has small
engine 
> > and
> > tractor manuals.
> >
> > Paul in SanFran
> >
> > PS: I'd start by looking for a trailer hook-up or other modifications.
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Nov  3 20:17:36 2008
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:17:36 EST
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
Message-ID: <c7a.4681aba8.364126e0@aol.com>

Paul, 
On the left side of the web site, you will see several blocks  starting with 
Administration.   Go down to Databases and click on  it.  A new screen will 
come up with the "EBSCO HOST".
 
Francis
 
 
In a message dated 11/3/2008 7:03:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
enginepaul at gmail.com writes:

scroll  down,  you will see a little box that says "EBSCO  HOST"

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From driggars at wildblue.net  Mon Nov  3 20:24:34 2008
From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:24:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0811031859p457d56e3tda22d8989c7a66a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
	<8d3c36fb0811031859p457d56e3tda22d8989c7a66a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490FCE82.5070003@wildblue.net>

paul
Hummm? I can't find or see that little link on that page?
Clint

P. Johns wrote:
> One and all:
> Try this site:
> http://www.marshallpl.org
>
> scroll down,  you will see a little box that says "EBSCO HOST"
> click the box it will bring up a sign in screen.
>
> enter User ID:    marshall
> password:        public
>
> It doesn't have all manuals, but it has plenty. It also has small engine and
> tractor manuals.
>
> Paul in SanFran
>
> PS: I'd start by looking for a trailer hook-up or other modifications.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>   


From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Nov  3 20:25:41 2008
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:25:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
Message-ID: <490FCEC5.5000904@telenet.net>

On 11/3/2008 10:56:03 PM, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Paul I went to the site and have searched everywhere and cannot fine the
> "EBSCO HOST" box you metnioned. I must be missing something.
> 
> Paul
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
> 
> 
> > One and all:
> > Try this site:
> > http://www.marshallpl.org

Select the Databases tag on the left side. EBSCO is on the top left.

FYI Mitchell online http://www.eautorepair.net is a pretty good system. 
BUT they don't cover the basic stuff or collision repairs. Pricing isn't 
bad either. 30 bucks a year gets you updated factory manuals. You can 
print out the pages but you can't directly save them. You have to pull 
them out of the temp files.

-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York


From driggars at wildblue.net  Mon Nov  3 20:25:47 2008
From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:25:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
In-Reply-To: <616586C783E748679E24C1B337921F60@PAUL>
References: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>	<8d3c36fb0811031859p457d56e3tda22d8989c7a66a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<616586C783E748679E24C1B337921F60@PAUL>
Message-ID: <490FCECB.8020207@wildblue.net>

can't find it either?
Clint

paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Paul I went to the site and have searched everywhere and cannot fine the 
> "EBSCO HOST" box you metnioned. I must be missing something.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
>
>
>   
>> One and all:
>> Try this site:
>> http://www.marshallpl.org
>>
>> scroll down,  you will see a little box that says "EBSCO HOST"
>> click the box it will bring up a sign in screen.
>>
>> enter User ID:    marshall
>> password:        public
>>
>> It doesn't have all manuals, but it has plenty. It also has small engine 
>> and
>> tractor manuals.
>>
>> Paul in SanFran
>>
>> PS: I'd start by looking for a trailer hook-up or other modifications.
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>   


From driggars at wildblue.net  Mon Nov  3 20:27:23 2008
From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:27:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
In-Reply-To: <616586C783E748679E24C1B337921F60@PAUL>
References: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>	<8d3c36fb0811031859p457d56e3tda22d8989c7a66a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<616586C783E748679E24C1B337921F60@PAUL>
Message-ID: <490FCF2B.6020501@wildblue.net>

I found it, on the left menu click "data base" then on that page you 
will see the link
Clint

paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Paul I went to the site and have searched everywhere and cannot fine the 
> "EBSCO HOST" box you metnioned. I must be missing something.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
>
>
>   
>> One and all:
>> Try this site:
>> http://www.marshallpl.org
>>
>> scroll down,  you will see a little box that says "EBSCO HOST"
>> click the box it will bring up a sign in screen.
>>
>> enter User ID:    marshall
>> password:        public
>>
>> It doesn't have all manuals, but it has plenty. It also has small engine 
>> and
>> tractor manuals.
>>
>> Paul in SanFran
>>
>> PS: I'd start by looking for a trailer hook-up or other modifications.
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>   


From enginepaul at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 20:48:24 2008
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:48:24 -0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
In-Reply-To: <490FCEC5.5000904@telenet.net>
References: <490FCEC5.5000904@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0811032048t216875d3g304e2a5c8373c76@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, updated info:

http://search.ebscohost.com/Login.aspx?lp=login.asp&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marshallpl.org%2F&authtype=ip,uid

That's the ebsco site.
When you get there, you'll find troubleshooting info and lots of other
stuff. After you sort through all the stuff, send the kids there to learn.

Sorry for the round about way, but they changed the site that I had
bookmarked.

Good luck,
Paul in SanFran


From gastzt at aol.com  Mon Nov  3 20:59:20 2008
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:59:20 EST
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
Message-ID: <bcd.3df88a2a.364130a8@aol.com>

Thanks Paul---
   We will ALL benefit from this---
  Stan in Pleasanton   (TX)
 
 
In a message dated 11/3/2008 10:53:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
enginepaul at gmail.com writes:

Ok,  updated  info:

http://search.ebscohost.com/Login.aspx?lp=login.asp&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marsh
allpl.org%2F&authtype=ip,uid

That's  the ebsco site.
When you get there, you'll find troubleshooting info and  lots of other
stuff. After you sort through all the stuff, send the kids  there to learn.

Sorry for the round about way, but they changed the  site that I had
bookmarked.

Good luck,
Paul in  SanFran
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From andyglines at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  4 11:44:27 2008
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:44:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1225818002.19831.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.3.1225818002.19831.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <COL107-W57762F1B7F1BE78E28A05C71C0@phx.gbl>


O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
 
I generally don't like Haynes brand manuals and find them to be pretty much useless EXCEPT for one thing.  Haynes manuals have wiring diagrams in the back of the book which have gotten me out of a few jams.  
BTW: The problem that you describe could very easily be caused by a faulty headlight switch.
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Nov  4 12:31:07 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:31:07 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Ken Meeks address
Message-ID: <57395AC740804ACD9326C5D80824388A@PETER>

Hi all
Does anyone have Ken Meeks address so I can get a guy to send a cheque for engine parts.
I have his phone number but he is away alot.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov  4 15:46:48 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:46:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
References: <490FCEC5.5000904@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <CC9816646A0C4813B228C1AB6A9E9596@PAUL>

Thanks to everyone who has written in to help me with this problem. I will 
let you guys know what I find.

Paul 



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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:50:16 EST
Subject: [SEL] bearing scrapers
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Nov  5 10:00:04 2008
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:00:04 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Picture check
Message-ID: <20081105.100005.1816.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
I have a couple of old catalogs with engine related parts.  I scanned a
couple of pages and put them on my Picasa page.  I am sure they would be
better in PDF format but as of now it is beyond me.  If you have time
check and see if they are readable.  Thanks.
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/EngineLiterature#

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Wed Nov  5 10:42:20 2008
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:42:20 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Picture check
In-Reply-To: <20081105.100005.1816.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20081105.100005.1816.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <280001c93f76$3e965460$8335c53e@doc>

Hi Ron

The first one was readable at the preview size, the second one just barely.
Both quite readable in slideshow mode.  My screen resolution: 1680 x 1050.

All the best

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Sent: 05 November 2008 18:00
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Picture check
> 
> Hi all.
> I have a couple of old catalogs with engine related parts.  I 
> scanned a
> couple of pages and put them on my Picasa page.  I am sure 
> they would be
> better in PDF format but as of now it is beyond me.  If you have time
> check and see if they are readable.  Thanks.
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/EngineLiterature#
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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> Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs.
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 10:46:04 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:46:04 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Picture check
In-Reply-To: <20081105.100005.1816.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20081105.100005.1816.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811051046i36df2f91j1d680f73d2a40bf0@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/11/2008, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> Hi all.
> I have a couple of old catalogs with engine related parts.  I scanned a
> couple of pages and put them on my Picasa page.  I am sure they would be
> better in PDF format but as of now it is beyond me.  If you have time
> check and see if they are readable.  Thanks.

The full-size images probably are OK, but visitors to the Picasa site
don't appear to have the option of viewing that, only the thumbnail.

PDF format is not especially 'better' than a jpeg, what you get out is
what you put in, you just need to clean the image up before you get
into its final format.

We scan at 300dpi, clean it up, save as a TIFF file for archiving,
then reduce and save as a jpeg for web use. Gives us two copies, one
is a high-quality TIFF with no compression losses, and one as a jpeg.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From christison at coastalnet.com  Wed Nov  5 11:02:35 2008
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:02:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Picture check
Message-ID: <380-22008113519235843@coastalnet.com>

Ron,

Very readable at the large size.  No problem at all.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 11/5/2008 1:03:12 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Picture check
>
> Hi all.
> I have a couple of old catalogs with engine related parts.  I scanned a
> couple of pages and put them on my Picasa page.  I am sure they would be
> better in PDF format but as of now it is beyond me.  If you have time
> check and see if they are readable.  Thanks.
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/EngineLiterature#
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  5 11:19:31 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:19:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
Message-ID: <3DB716D280064DD7BF9D6A2D93ACFF26@PAUL>

Ok Gang I just came in from working on the truck and here is what I know so far:

It is the power door lock fuse that is blowing all of the time according to the fuse my grandson showed me that he is constantly replacing. Also we removed the headlight switch assembly and found that the main power wire coming to the switch block (I think it was green/red) had turned black at the connection block and the plastic around the connector at the switch assembly had shown signs of melting.

About two years or so ago this whole switch assembly had melted down and I had to install a new one, now the new one is showing signs of overheating.

Does this give anyone any clues?

I have crawled up under the rear of the truck and checked all of the wires, removed the taillight assemblies and checked all of the wires and crawled up under the front of the truck and checked all of the wires, I have checked inside of the engine well, I have tried shaking wires to get the lights to flicker and all to no avail.

He did tell me that when his headlights will begin to flicker he can reach over and raise up on the pull out knob for the headlights and it will stop, when he lets pressure off of the pull out knob for the headlights they will start to flicker again. It may be the blooming switch again which is a $100.00 plus unit.

Thanks for trying to help me with this.

Being an old veteran who was laid off from his job and trying to raise two grandkids limits my ability to put this in the shop and have it repaired so I will have to keep trying to find the problem.

Paul

From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Nov  5 12:54:10 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:54:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
In-Reply-To: <3DB716D280064DD7BF9D6A2D93ACFF26@PAUL>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEKDHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Paul:

This gives me a big clue!  CRUMMY HEADLIGHT SWITCH!

We had a motorhome that was built using '92 Dodge Cummins Diesel parts.  The headlight switch would get really hot when the lights were on.  I never had to replace the switch but was expecting to do so at any time.  I think the heat buildup was from the dashlight dimmer rheostat.  I think they had too many lights on the circuit.

We traded the motorhome.

We never blew a fuse but, if the switch melted internally, something could short out when it was hot.

Big help, ain't I?!!     :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 01:20 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
> 
> 
> Ok Gang I just came in from working on the truck 
> and here is what I know so far:
> 
> It is the power door lock fuse that is blowing 
> all of the time according to the fuse my grandson 
> showed me that he is constantly replacing. Also 
> we removed the headlight switch assembly and 
> found that the main power wire coming to the 
> switch block (I think it was green/red) had 
> turned black at the connection block and the 
> plastic around the connector at the switch 
> assembly had shown signs of melting.
> 
> About two years or so ago this whole switch 
> assembly had melted down and I had to install a 
> new one, now the new one is showing signs of overheating.
> 
> Does this give anyone any clues?

........................snippety-snip.................... 

> Paul




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Nov  5 11:48:18 2008
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:48:18 -0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
Message-ID: <20081105.114819.1816.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Paul.
My '94 Dodge was recalled to replace the headlight switch.  The original
one would not take the extra current of trailer lights, the PO melted one
switch.  I now have all load lights on a separate switch, fused and
through a Bosch relay.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Nov  5 11:55:06 2008
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 04:55:06 +0900
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
Message-ID: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>

I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations to the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory voting ,something I have no problem with.
Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .

From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  5 14:19:59 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:19:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
References: <3DB716D280064DD7BF9D6A2D93ACFF26@PAUL>
Message-ID: <004d01c93f94$a4a5d190$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>



> He did tell me that when his headlights will begin to flicker he can reach 
> over and raise up on the pull out knob for the headlights and it will 
> stop, when he lets pressure off of the pull out knob for the headlights 
> they will start to flicker again. It may be the blooming switch again 
> which is a $100.00 plus unit.>>>

The industry term for this is  "jiggling it " , and although quite primitive 
, you'll find it most indicative of a fault .


http://www.standardbrand.com/web_app/catalog/smp_bgbulk.aspx
Punch in #  DS357 , and if that is her , it is a far cry from a hundred 
dollars




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From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Nov  5 14:48:15 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:48:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Petter Help Needed
Message-ID: <CFA752F5-379B-41CE-A003-E0E6A93E1E65@alltel.net>

Hi All,
	I have a friend who just obtained a Petter Type PJ1 diesel engine.  
The S/N is 7294/PJ1. It's a 10 HP and he wants to get it running in  
order to hook it up to a generator for his shop. Any information  
(particularly a copy of the manual for the engine) would sure be  
appreciated!
	Dave






From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Nov  5 14:51:22 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:51:22 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Petter Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <CFA752F5-379B-41CE-A003-E0E6A93E1E65@alltel.net>
References: <CFA752F5-379B-41CE-A003-E0E6A93E1E65@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <EDC178C3-4E30-4DAE-A2A5-105653E0BC6F@rustyiron.com>


On Nov 5, 2008, at 2:48 PM, David Rotigel wrote:

> Hi All,
> 	I have a friend who just obtained a Petter Type PJ1 diesel engine.
> The S/N is 7294/PJ1. It's a 10 HP and he wants to get it running in
> order to hook it up to a generator for his shop. Any information
> (particularly a copy of the manual for the engine) would sure be
> appreciated!
> 	Dave

Try Paul Evans.
http://www.internalfire.com













From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  5 16:18:19 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:18:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
References: <20081105.114819.1816.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <1A271CDEC5584264B615654FC52C7DB0@PAUL>

Ron he removed the trailer hitch a long time ago so there is no trailer 
lights to contend with however something is causing the light switch to pull 
a heavy load to cause the over heating. Thanks,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:48 PM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


> Hi Paul.
> My '94 Dodge was recalled to replace the headlight switch.  The original
> one would not take the extra current of trailer lights, the PO melted one
> switch.  I now have all load lights on a separate switch, fused and
> through a Bosch relay.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
> 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  5 16:19:46 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:19:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEKDHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <41F07145E8C141799BD1E9116608DC22@PAUL>

I agree with you Elden, maybe these headlight switches are just too weak for 
the common load. This is only a little 1/2 ton pickup with no trailer hitch 
or trailer lights to contend with.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


> Paul:
>
> This gives me a big clue!  CRUMMY HEADLIGHT SWITCH!
>
> We had a motorhome that was built using '92 Dodge Cummins Diesel parts. 
> The headlight switch would get really hot when the lights were on.  I 
> never had to replace the switch but was expecting to do so at any time.  I 
> think the heat buildup was from the dashlight dimmer rheostat.  I think 
> they had too many lights on the circuit.
>
> We traded the motorhome.
>
> We never blew a fuse but, if the switch melted internally, something could 
> short out when it was hot.
>
> Big help, ain't I?!!     :-)
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of
>> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 01:20 PM
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
>>
>>
>> Ok Gang I just came in from working on the truck
>> and here is what I know so far:
>>
>> It is the power door lock fuse that is blowing
>> all of the time according to the fuse my grandson
>> showed me that he is constantly replacing. Also
>> we removed the headlight switch assembly and
>> found that the main power wire coming to the
>> switch block (I think it was green/red) had
>> turned black at the connection block and the
>> plastic around the connector at the switch
>> assembly had shown signs of melting.
>>
>> About two years or so ago this whole switch
>> assembly had melted down and I had to install a
>> new one, now the new one is showing signs of overheating.
>>
>> Does this give anyone any clues?
>
> ........................snippety-snip....................
>
>> Paul
>
>
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Nov  5 16:18:32 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:18:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081105191036.03d4de10@pop3.wcoil.com>

You  have Compulsor voting????  Even though I disagree with folks who don't 
vote  I find the idea of compulsory voting repugnant.
Personally, I have never missed a voting day since I came of voting age. 
22-23 years ago and wouldn't dream of missing one but being forced too 
seems wrong too. Reminds me of the stories of the elections in Russia and 
the vote would almost always by unanimous for the party choice.   Mark


At 02:55 PM 11/5/08, you wrote:
>I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations to 
>the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic 
>rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory 
>voting ,something I have no problem with.
>Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .
>_______________________________________________

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

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Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
No Sunday calls if possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  5 16:22:02 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:22:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
References: <3DB716D280064DD7BF9D6A2D93ACFF26@PAUL>
	<004d01c93f94$a4a5d190$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <8970D874DBE44788AFB9242F8999EA2D@PAUL>

Thanks Chuck, it looks like I am going to be out the cost of another 
headlight switch and these darn things cost near a $100.00.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Balyeat" <kerogas at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


>
>
>> He did tell me that when his headlights will begin to flicker he can 
>> reach
>> over and raise up on the pull out knob for the headlights and it will
>> stop, when he lets pressure off of the pull out knob for the headlights
>> they will start to flicker again. It may be the blooming switch again
>> which is a $100.00 plus unit.>>>
>
> The industry term for this is  "jiggling it " , and although quite 
> primitive
> , you'll find it most indicative of a fault .
>
> 


From sndakitto at activ8.net.au  Wed Nov  5 17:18:17 2008
From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:18:17 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
In-Reply-To: <1A271CDEC5584264B615654FC52C7DB0@PAUL>
References: <20081105.114819.1816.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<1A271CDEC5584264B615654FC52C7DB0@PAUL>
Message-ID: <000301c93fad$901001b0$b0300510$@net.au>

Paul
I had this problem with a vehicle some years ago. What I did was to wire in
a relay to the light switch and reduce the amount of power to the light
switch. It never gave me any further trouble. It was a cheap option. It may
work for you.
Steve


Steve and Denise Kitto
95 Coleyville Road
Mutdapilly  QLD   Australia 4307 
Ph 07 54671541

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-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2008 10:18
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!

Ron he removed the trailer hitch a long time ago so there is no trailer 
lights to contend with however something is causing the light switch to pull

a heavy load to cause the over heating. Thanks,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:48 PM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


> Hi Paul.
> My '94 Dodge was recalled to replace the headlight switch.  The original
> one would not take the extra current of trailer lights, the PO melted one
> switch.  I now have all load lights on a separate switch, fused and
> through a Bosch relay.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
> 

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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Nov  5 18:26:47 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:26:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
In-Reply-To: <41F07145E8C141799BD1E9116608DC22@PAUL>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEKKHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Paul:

What you could do to eliminate the problem with the next $100 switch is to use a cube relay to "amplify" the current of the switch.  Now, all you need to know is what circuit is making the el-cheapo piece-of-whatever switch get hot.

To see if the dash light rheostat is causing the heat, just turn the knob 'til they're off and see if the switch still gets hot.  Of course, if a cop stops you for speeding, you've got the perfect excuse that will surely get you out of the ticket.....  :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 06:20 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
> 
> 
> I agree with you Elden, maybe these headlight 
> switches are just too weak for 
> the common load. This is only a little 1/2 ton 
> pickup with no trailer hitch 
> or trailer lights to contend with.
> 
> Paul




From d.fleming at sasktel.net  Wed Nov  5 17:22:42 2008
From: d.fleming at sasktel.net (don fleming)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:22:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
Message-ID: <002101c93fae$2bce9cb0$6401a8c0@2S4KN5K0H3>

Paul

I drove several Dodge trucks when I was working and never had a problem with 
the light switch.  I think I had to bandage up or rewire every one of the 
wiring harnesses from the rear wheels back because the insulation had been 
beat off the wires by flying stones. It is worth a good look.

Don Fleming
Kipling, Sk. Canada
<d.fleming at sasktel.net> 



From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Wed Nov  5 17:33:24 2008
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:33:24 +0900
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
References: <3DB716D280064DD7BF9D6A2D93ACFF26@PAUL>
Message-ID: <006a01c93faf$a9ced160$210110ac@Chester>

Paul,  the switch will melt out if the headlights have been upgraded (ie 
100w globes) and no relays fitted, might pay to check,
cheers,
Chester.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:19 AM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


> Ok Gang I just came in from working on the truck and here is what I know 
> so far:
>
> It is the power door lock fuse that is blowing all of the time according 
> to the fuse my grandson showed me that he is constantly replacing. Also we 
> removed the headlight switch assembly and found that the main power wire 
> coming to the switch block (I think it was green/red) had turned black at 
> the connection block and the plastic around the connector at the switch 
> assembly had shown signs of melting.
>
> About two years or so ago this whole switch assembly had melted down and I 
> had to install a new one, now the new one is showing signs of overheating.
>
> Does this give anyone any clues?
>
> I have crawled up under the rear of the truck and checked all of the 
> wires, removed the taillight assemblies and checked all of the wires and 
> crawled up under the front of the truck and checked all of the wires, I 
> have checked inside of the engine well, I have tried shaking wires to get 
> the lights to flicker and all to no avail.
>
> He did tell me that when his headlights will begin to flicker he can reach 
> over and raise up on the pull out knob for the headlights and it will 
> stop, when he lets pressure off of the pull out knob for the headlights 
> they will start to flicker again. It may be the blooming switch again 
> which is a $100.00 plus unit.
>
> Thanks for trying to help me with this.
>
> Being an old veteran who was laid off from his job and trying to raise two 
> grandkids limits my ability to put this in the shop and have it repaired 
> so I will have to keep trying to find the problem.
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  5 17:49:55 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:49:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
In-Reply-To: <006a01c93faf$a9ced160$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <630066.26704.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I vote for the relay too.
Alan


--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> wrote:

> From: Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 8:33 PM
> Paul,  the switch will melt out if the headlights have been
> upgraded (ie 
> 100w globes) and no relays fitted, might pay to check,
> cheers,
> Chester.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:19 AM
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
> 
> 
> > Ok Gang I just came in from working on the truck and
> here is what I know 
> > so far:
> >
> > It is the power door lock fuse that is blowing all of
> the time according 
> > to the fuse my grandson showed me that he is
> constantly replacing. Also we 
> > removed the headlight switch assembly and found that
> the main power wire 
> > coming to the switch block (I think it was green/red)
> had turned black at 
> > the connection block and the plastic around the
> connector at the switch 
> > assembly had shown signs of melting.
> >
> > About two years or so ago this whole switch assembly
> had melted down and I 
> > had to install a new one, now the new one is showing
> signs of overheating.
> >
> > Does this give anyone any clues?
> >
> > I have crawled up under the rear of the truck and
> checked all of the 
> > wires, removed the taillight assemblies and checked
> all of the wires and 
> > crawled up under the front of the truck and checked
> all of the wires, I 
> > have checked inside of the engine well, I have tried
> shaking wires to get 
> > the lights to flicker and all to no avail.
> >
> > He did tell me that when his headlights will begin to
> flicker he can reach 
> > over and raise up on the pull out knob for the
> headlights and it will 
> > stop, when he lets pressure off of the pull out knob
> for the headlights 
> > they will start to flicker again. It may be the
> blooming switch again 
> > which is a $100.00 plus unit.
> >
> > Thanks for trying to help me with this.
> >
> > Being an old veteran who was laid off from his job and
> trying to raise two 
> > grandkids limits my ability to put this in the shop
> and have it repaired 
> > so I will have to keep trying to find the problem.
> >
> > Paul
> > _______________________________________________
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  5 18:17:36 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:17:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
References: <20081105.114819.1816.3.rdhaskell@juno.com><1A271CDEC5584264B615654FC52C7DB0@PAUL>
	<000301c93fad$901001b0$b0300510$@net.au>
Message-ID: <EC60945CE70F4DEBAD7EA123F6AFBAC3@PAUL>

Steve can you send me a wiring diagram and a parts list for this 
modification?

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven N Kitto" <sndakitto at activ8.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


> Paul
> I had this problem with a vehicle some years ago. What I did was to wire 
> in
> a relay to the light switch and reduce the amount of power to the light
> switch. It never gave me any further trouble. It was a cheap option. It 
> may
> work for you.
> Steve
>
>
> Steve and Denise Kitto
> 95 Coleyville Road
> Mutdapilly  QLD   Australia 4307
> Ph 07 54671541
>
> 


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  5 18:18:25 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:18:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
References: <002101c93fae$2bce9cb0$6401a8c0@2S4KN5K0H3>
Message-ID: <5B58EC303D6B4ACE9BEE06B74D99C7C0@PAUL>

Don I have called myself looking at the wiring harnesses but may have missed 
something.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "don fleming" <d.fleming at sasktel.net>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] Fw: O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


> Paul
>
> I drove several Dodge trucks when I was working and never had a problem 
> with
> the light switch.  I think I had to bandage up or rewire every one of the
> wiring harnesses from the rear wheels back because the insulation had been
> beat off the wires by flying stones. It is worth a good look.
>
> Don Fleming
> Kipling, Sk. Canada
> <d.fleming at sasktel.net>
>
> _______________________________________________
/listinfo/sel 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  5 18:19:15 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:19:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
References: <3DB716D280064DD7BF9D6A2D93ACFF26@PAUL>
	<006a01c93faf$a9ced160$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <178EDD0D3FE445BF8898EAFB9F9F251D@PAUL>

I ask him about the bulbs and he said that they were standard Sylvania bulbs 
but I will check.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


> Paul,  the switch will melt out if the headlights have been upgraded (ie
> 100w globes) and no relays fitted, might pay to check,
> cheers,
> Chester.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:19 AM
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
>
>



From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Wed Nov  5 18:34:39 2008
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:34:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
In-Reply-To: <41F07145E8C141799BD1E9116608DC22@PAUL>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEKDHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<41F07145E8C141799BD1E9116608DC22@PAUL>
Message-ID: <491257BF.7090003@accnorwalk.com>

Paul, did you change the pigtail end on the harness to the switch?? That 
is a must when there are signs of overheating in that area. The 
teerminals loose their tension and just burns up the new switch from 
poor contact. you need to solder the wires when you connect them. Also, 
when the trailer hitch was removed, was it a simple unplug or has the 
harness been butchered back there? Doug Tallman




paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> I agree with you Elden, maybe these headlight switches are just too weak for 
> the common load. This is only a little 1/2 ton pickup with no trailer hitch 
> or trailer lights to contend with.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
>
>
>   
>> Paul:
>>
>> This gives me a big clue!  CRUMMY HEADLIGHT SWITCH!
>>
>> We had a motorhome that was built using '92 Dodge Cummins Diesel parts. 
>> The headlight switch would get really hot when the lights were on.  I 
>> never had to replace the switch but was expecting to do so at any time.  I 
>> think the heat buildup was from the dashlight dimmer rheostat.  I think 
>> they had too many lights on the circuit.
>>
>> We traded the motorhome.
>>
>> We never blew a fuse but, if the switch melted internally, something could 
>> short out when it was hot.
>>
>> Big help, ain't I?!!     :-)
>>
>> Take care - Elden
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>>
>>     
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>>  Behalf Of
>>> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 01:20 PM
>>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok Gang I just came in from working on the truck
>>> and here is what I know so far:
>>>
>>> It is the power door lock fuse that is blowing
>>> all of the time according to the fuse my grandson
>>> showed me that he is constantly replacing. Also
>>> we removed the headlight switch assembly and
>>> found that the main power wire coming to the
>>> switch block (I think it was green/red) had
>>> turned black at the connection block and the
>>> plastic around the connector at the switch
>>> assembly had shown signs of melting.
>>>
>>> About two years or so ago this whole switch
>>> assembly had melted down and I had to install a
>>> new one, now the new one is showing signs of overheating.
>>>
>>> Does this give anyone any clues?
>>>       
>> ........................snippety-snip....................
>>
>>     
>>> Paul
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
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>>     
>
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>   



From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Nov  5 18:49:35 2008
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:49:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
In-Reply-To: <1A271CDEC5584264B615654FC52C7DB0@PAUL>
References: <20081105.114819.1816.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<1A271CDEC5584264B615654FC52C7DB0@PAUL>
Message-ID: <49125B3F.1070602@telenet.net>

paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Ron he removed the trailer hitch a long time ago so there is no trailer 
> lights to contend with however something is causing the light switch to pull 
> a heavy load to cause the over heating. Thanks,
> 
> Paul
> 

OK here is an OLD trick you can try. Head down to the parts store and 
buy a plug in circuit breaker or three. one rated the same as the fuse 
and one rated for half. If they have a short finder kit that has the 
center reading meter but it, they come in really handy. BUT if you have 
a simple compass you can still run the trace. When it shorts and blows 
the fuse plug in a breaker. Then follow the compass up the wire harness. 
It will swing back/forth as the breaker opens/closes. When it stops your 
at the short. That is where the short finder meter excels, it just moves 
   with the current.

http://www.eastwoodco.com/  item number 25026  shows one like I have.
The meter is the special item. The tube with the clips is a 20 amp plug 
in breaker in a plastic tube. You can sub in other breakers as needed.
-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  5 19:06:18 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:06:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
References: <20081105.114819.1816.3.rdhaskell@juno.com><1A271CDEC5584264B615654FC52C7DB0@PAUL>
	<49125B3F.1070602@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <6EF6B57274E34EA686217C997CA29A36@PAUL>

Steve I will go to the parts house and see if I can find one of these 
testers. Right now he has been out driving half the night and nothing has 
blown so this is an intermittent problem which is going to make it harder to 
find.

Thanks for the input and idea.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>> Ron he removed the trailer hitch a long time ago so there is no trailer
>> lights to contend with however something is causing the light switch to 
>> pull
>> a heavy load to cause the over heating. Thanks,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>
> OK here is an OLD trick you can try. Head down to the parts store and
> buy a plug in circuit breaker or three. one rated the same as the fuse
> and one rated for half. If they have a short finder kit that has the
> center reading meter but it, they come in really handy. BUT if you have
> a simple compass you can still run the trace. When it shorts and blows
> the fuse plug in a breaker. Then follow the compass up the wire harness.
> It will swing back/forth as the breaker opens/closes. When it stops your
> 


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Nov  5 19:24:37 2008
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:24:37 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Frisco Standard info.
Message-ID: <20081105.192438.1052.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
I have put up 17 pages of information on Frisco Standard engines from the
General Catalog No.5 of Pacific Net & Twine , Seattle Washington.  The
last revision date is Jan 1, 1926.  I know it is not the best way to
share this information but it is the best I can do at this time.
Other brands to follow.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
____________________________________________________________
Click here to find the satellite television package that meets your needs.
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mzvznSTyvaDPMHXLNL4e1w3DLpoeJNVQWLWJCJTElcrYeep/


From sndakitto at activ8.net.au  Wed Nov  5 19:28:59 2008
From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:28:59 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
In-Reply-To: <EC60945CE70F4DEBAD7EA123F6AFBAC3@PAUL>
References: <20081105.114819.1816.3.rdhaskell@juno.com><1A271CDEC5584264B615654FC52C7DB0@PAUL>	<000301c93fad$901001b0$b0300510$@net.au>
	<EC60945CE70F4DEBAD7EA123F6AFBAC3@PAUL>
Message-ID: <000401c93fbf$d2b5c100$78214300$@net.au>

Paul
My problem was only when on high beam. I had 100watt high beam globes. I
found the wire that went to the high beam. That was then used to activate
the relay. I too k a wire of heavier gauge from the battery to the relay
then from the relay to the headlights. I used a 4 terminal relay. Most
relays will have a simple wiring diagram. One terminal will be switch, one
battery, one to Whatever, in your case lights, and one to ground.

Hope this helps.
Steve

Steve and Denise Kitto
95 Coleyville Road
Mutdapilly  QLD   Australia 4307 
Ph 07 54671541

As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.  
Proverbs 27:19

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2008 12:18
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!

Steve can you send me a wiring diagram and a parts list for this 
modification?

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven N Kitto" <sndakitto at activ8.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


> Paul
> I had this problem with a vehicle some years ago. What I did was to wire 
> in
> a relay to the light switch and reduce the amount of power to the light
> switch. It never gave me any further trouble. It was a cheap option. It 
> may
> work for you.
> Steve
>
>
> Steve and Denise Kitto
> 95 Coleyville Road
> Mutdapilly  QLD   Australia 4307
> Ph 07 54671541
>
> 
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  5 20:18:09 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:18:09 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEKDHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com><41F07145E8C141799BD1E9116608DC22@PAUL>
	<491257BF.7090003@accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <F6085264435D45309D4828798ECA8765@PAUL>

Hello Doug,

When I installed the new switch about two years ago I installed a new switch 
and connector block and used "butt connectors" to re-connect the new pig 
tail.

The power wire terminals were definitely burned and weak on the light switch 
when we removed it today. Would you suggest that I remove the connector 
block and solder all of the wires directly to the light switch? or maybe 
remove the existing terminal connector block and then install individual 
"spade connectors" on each wire to the light switch?

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Tallman" <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


> Paul, did you change the pigtail end on the harness to the switch?? That
> is a must when there are signs of overheating in that area. The
> teerminals loose their tension and just burns up the new switch from
> poor contact. you need to solder the wires when you connect them. Also,
> when the trailer hitch was removed, was it a simple unplug or has the
> harness been butchered back there? Doug Tallman
>
>
>



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  5 20:22:20 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:22:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEKDHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com><41F07145E8C141799BD1E9116608DC22@PAUL>
	<491257BF.7090003@accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <2E346D67DE354D15A4E9A02D98496BA5@PAUL>

Sorry Doug I did not answer the 2nd part of your question regarding the 
trailer hitch removal. It was a simple unhooking of two large connectors and 
I checked them today and saw no frayed or naked wires.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Tallman" <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


> Paul, did you change the pigtail end on the harness to the switch?? That
> is a must when there are signs of overheating in that area. The
> teerminals loose their tension and just burns up the new switch from
> poor contact. you need to solder the wires when you connect them. Also,
> when the trailer hitch was removed, was it a simple unplug or has the
> harness been butchered back there? Doug Tallman
>
>
>
>
> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>> 



From astfgl at iamnota.org  Thu Nov  6 00:02:02 2008
From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:02:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20081105191036.03d4de10@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20081105191036.03d4de10@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <4912A47A.4020207@iamnota.org>

Ummm, it's not compulsory to vote for a _particular_ candidate, and 
there's usually at least a handful to choose from. ;-)

Here's the AEC FAQ page:
http://www.aec.gov.au/FAQs/Voting_Australia.htm

And a rather concise history and discussion of the points for and 
against compulsory voting:
http://www.aec.gov.au/pdf/voting/compulsory_voting.pdf

Most flavors of democracy involve both rights and responsibilities, but 
if this is one you don't want to participate in, the vote is secret and 
you can always make it informal.

Cheers, glen.

Mark Shulaw wrote:
> You  have Compulsor voting????  Even though I disagree with folks who don't 
> vote  I find the idea of compulsory voting repugnant.
> Personally, I have never missed a voting day since I came of voting age. 
> 22-23 years ago and wouldn't dream of missing one but being forced too 
> seems wrong too. Reminds me of the stories of the elections in Russia and 
> the vote would almost always by unanimous for the party choice.   Mark


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 00:41:04 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:41:04 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Petter Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <CFA752F5-379B-41CE-A003-E0E6A93E1E65@alltel.net>
References: <CFA752F5-379B-41CE-A003-E0E6A93E1E65@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811060041y2838b558v2f1e9c73f862f56c@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/11/2008, David Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 	I have a friend who just obtained a Petter Type PJ1 diesel engine.
> The S/N is 7294/PJ1. It's a 10 HP and he wants to get it running in
> order to hook it up to a generator for his shop. Any information
> (particularly a copy of the manual for the engine) would sure be
> appreciated!
> 	Dave

There's a data sheet here, 2 pages:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/PetterData/PetterPJ1.htm

Manual here from a bookseller in TX:

PETTER DIESEL ENGINES TYPES PJ1 AND PJ2 - OPERATORS HANDBOOK
Petters Limited.
Bookseller: ReRun Books,
115 W Southmore Ave,
Pasadena, TX 77502.
713-477-5554

Price: US$ 19.99
Quantity: 1 	Shipping within U.S.A.: US$ 4.00

Book Description: Great Britain Petters Limited N.D. Good+. Slight
water damage on the bottom of the pages but still a good working copy.
; Illustrations, fold-out chart, index. Limited instructions in
French, German, and Spanish. Publication no. 8027/5; 140 pages. First
Edition. Binding is Softcover; First Printing. Bookseller Inventory #
690

That should sort him out.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Nov  6 00:55:04 2008
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:55:04 +0900
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20081105191036.03d4de10@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <B6B99CE798DB401AAFC17C7659E11EF7@your9e74d7efa7>

Come on Glen ,you can't have it both ways .It certainly is not repugnant !
Some people here just get their names crossed off the electrol roll and they 
are the ones who dont give a rats arse and then complain about who has been 
elected The majority treasure their democratic right to elect the person of 
their choice .You have your system ,we have ours .All I am saying that It is 
very ,very apparent that the majority of US voters wanted a changefor the 
better or worse ,who knows .
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US


> You  have Compulsor voting????  Even though I disagree with folks who 
> don't
> vote  I find the idea of compulsory voting repugnant.
> Personally, I have never missed a voting day since I came of voting age.
> 22-23 years ago and wouldn't dream of missing one but being forced too
> seems wrong too. Reminds me of the stories of the elections in Russia and
> the vote would almost always by unanimous for the party choice.   Mark
>
>
> At 02:55 PM 11/5/08, you wrote:
>>I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations to
>>the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic
>>rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory
>>voting ,something I have no problem with.
>>Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .
>>_______________________________________________
>
> Mark & Christine Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>
> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
> Parts lists available on request.
>
> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
> No Sunday calls if possible.
> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I 
> represent
> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and
> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark
>
>
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Thu Nov  6 01:35:34 2008
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:35:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <B6B99CE798DB401AAFC17C7659E11EF7@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>	<6.2.1.2.1.20081105191036.03d4de10@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<B6B99CE798DB401AAFC17C7659E11EF7@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <4912BA66.1090406@rustic-engines.com>

Glen,

you get back here to Australia before I disinherit you, you hear me ? :-P

Cheers,

Al Harris
Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



peter ogborne wrote:
> Come on Glen ,you can't have it both ways .It certainly is not repugnant !
> Some people here just get their names crossed off the electrol roll and they 
> are the ones who dont give a rats arse and then complain about who has been 
> elected The majority treasure their democratic right to elect the person of 
> their choice .You have your system ,we have ours .All I am saying that It is 
> very ,very apparent that the majority of US voters wanted a changefor the 
> better or worse ,who knows .
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
>
>
>   
>> You  have Compulsor voting????  Even though I disagree with folks who 
>> don't
>> vote  I find the idea of compulsory voting repugnant.
>> Personally, I have never missed a voting day since I came of voting age.
>> 22-23 years ago and wouldn't dream of missing one but being forced too
>> seems wrong too. Reminds me of the stories of the elections in Russia and
>> the vote would almost always by unanimous for the party choice.   Mark
>>
>>
>> At 02:55 PM 11/5/08, you wrote:
>>     
>>> I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations to
>>> the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic
>>> rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory
>>> voting ,something I have no problem with.
>>> Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>       
>> Mark & Christine Shulaw
>> 454 Co. Rd. 33
>> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>>
>> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
>> Parts lists available on request.
>>
>> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
>> No Sunday calls if possible.
>> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I 
>> represent
>> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and
>> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>>     
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Nov  6 02:02:49 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:02:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
Message-ID: <2324FED3FDD04A7D853BB8349CCDA5B8@PETER>

Hi Guys

I have a technical one for you gurus

When I worked at the steel mill in Newcastle, Australia. the laboratories were able to detect and read things that have been ground off.
The company engraved all their tools with BHP, the rouges would grind that off and steal the tools. If caught at a gate bag inspection with suspect tools, they could take them to the lab and detect the engraved BHP. By stamping or engraving it alters the grain structure of the steel and it can be picked up by some sort of spectrograph.
Does anyone in the US know of such a technique, I have a R&V guy in Texas that needs to lift a serial number from a 4hp triumph line engine.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Thu Nov  6 02:47:53 2008
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:47:53 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
In-Reply-To: <2324FED3FDD04A7D853BB8349CCDA5B8@PETER>
References: <2324FED3FDD04A7D853BB8349CCDA5B8@PETER>
Message-ID: <013301c93ffd$1f428a20$8335c53e@doc>

Hi Peter

Typically, the revealing of stamped numbers on steel is done by polishing
the area where the number used to be, then acid etching it.  An etchant can
be made up by mixing 10% concentrated nitric acid in 90% methanol (you can
use methylated spirits or ethanol, but there is a risk with ethanol, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nital).  We used to use this for revealing the
grain structure of welded steel test specimens - 10% Nital.

All the best

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Peter Lowe
> Sent: 06 November 2008 10:03
> To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
> 
> Hi Guys
> 
> I have a technical one for you gurus
> 
> When I worked at the steel mill in Newcastle, Australia. the 
> laboratories were able to detect and read things that have 
> been ground off.
> The company engraved all their tools with BHP, the rouges 
> would grind that off and steal the tools. If caught at a gate 
> bag inspection with suspect tools, they could take them to 
> the lab and detect the engraved BHP. By stamping or engraving 
> it alters the grain structure of the steel and it can be 
> picked up by some sort of spectrograph.
> Does anyone in the US know of such a technique, I have a R&V 
> guy in Texas that needs to lift a serial number from a 4hp 
> triumph line engine.
> 
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Thu Nov  6 02:54:13 2008
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:54:13 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
In-Reply-To: <2324FED3FDD04A7D853BB8349CCDA5B8@PETER>
References: <2324FED3FDD04A7D853BB8349CCDA5B8@PETER>
Message-ID: <013401c93ffe$019cb4e0$8335c53e@doc>

Hi Peter

This may also be of interest:
http://www.substech.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=etching_metallographic_specimen
s

"For aluminum and its alloys:
Keller's reagent: 1volume part of hydrofluoric acid, 1.5 volume part of
hydrochloric acid, 2.5 volume parts of nitric acid, 95 volume parts water. 

Etching time: 10-20 sec."

Hydrofluoric acid is horrible stuff - DO NOT get any on you!  The medical
treatment for contamination with hydrofluoric acid is amputation of the
affected parts....

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Peter Lowe
> Sent: 06 November 2008 10:03
> To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
> 
> Hi Guys
> 
> I have a technical one for you gurus
> 
> When I worked at the steel mill in Newcastle, Australia. the 
> laboratories were able to detect and read things that have 
> been ground off.
> The company engraved all their tools with BHP, the rouges 
> would grind that off and steal the tools. If caught at a gate 
> bag inspection with suspect tools, they could take them to 
> the lab and detect the engraved BHP. By stamping or engraving 
> it alters the grain structure of the steel and it can be 
> picked up by some sort of spectrograph.
> Does anyone in the US know of such a technique, I have a R&V 
> guy in Texas that needs to lift a serial number from a 4hp 
> triumph line engine.
> 
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From endacomm10 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 03:04:20 2008
From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 03:04:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
In-Reply-To: <013401c93ffe$019cb4e0$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <385534.95290.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hi Guy.. Sorry to interupt, But from Here Ga.USA the link is dead.
  

Peter Scales <peter at loud-n-clear.net> wrote:
  Hi Peter

This may also be of interest:
http://www.substech.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=etching_metallographic_specimen
s

"For aluminum and its alloys:
Keller's reagent: 1volume part of hydrofluoric acid, 1.5 volume part of
hydrochloric acid, 2.5 volume parts of nitric acid, 95 volume parts water. 

Etching time: 10-20 sec."

Hydrofluoric acid is horrible stuff - DO NOT get any on you! The medical
treatment for contamination with hydrofluoric acid is amputation of the
affected parts....

Regards

Pete
-- 
Peter Scales 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Peter Lowe
> Sent: 06 November 2008 10:03
> To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
> 
> Hi Guys
> 
> I have a technical one for you gurus
> 
> When I worked at the steel mill in Newcastle, Australia. the 
> laboratories were able to detect and read things that have 
> been ground off.
> The company engraved all their tools with BHP, the rouges 
> would grind that off and steal the tools. If caught at a gate 
> bag inspection with suspect tools, they could take them to 
> the lab and detect the engraved BHP. By stamping or engraving 
> it alters the grain structure of the steel and it can be 
> picked up by some sort of spectrograph.
> Does anyone in the US know of such a technique, I have a R&V 
> guy in Texas that needs to lift a serial number from a 4hp 
> triumph line engine.
> 
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


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From endacomm10 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 03:07:07 2008
From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 03:07:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
In-Reply-To: <013401c93ffe$019cb4e0$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <878856.53492.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I See the problem, The trailing S was detacked from the link..  Add it and should be fine. Seems like a lot of people are having similar difficulties with long URL's.

Peter Scales <peter at loud-n-clear.net> wrote:
  Hi Peter

This may also be of interest:
http://www.substech.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=etching_metallographic_specimen
s

"For aluminum and its alloys:
Keller's reagent: 1volume part of hydrofluoric acid, 1.5 volume part of
hydrochloric acid, 2.5 volume parts of nitric acid, 95 volume parts water. 

Etching time: 10-20 sec."

Hydrofluoric acid is horrible stuff - DO NOT get any on you! The medical
treatment for contamination with hydrofluoric acid is amputation of the
affected parts....

Regards

Pete
-- 
Peter Scales 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Peter Lowe
> Sent: 06 November 2008 10:03
> To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
> 
> Hi Guys
> 
> I have a technical one for you gurus
> 
> When I worked at the steel mill in Newcastle, Australia. the 
> laboratories were able to detect and read things that have 
> been ground off.
> The company engraved all their tools with BHP, the rouges 
> would grind that off and steal the tools. If caught at a gate 
> bag inspection with suspect tools, they could take them to 
> the lab and detect the engraved BHP. By stamping or engraving 
> it alters the grain structure of the steel and it can be 
> picked up by some sort of spectrograph.
> Does anyone in the US know of such a technique, I have a R&V 
> guy in Texas that needs to lift a serial number from a 4hp 
> triumph line engine.
> 
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Thu Nov  6 04:48:44 2008
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:48:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
In-Reply-To: <F6085264435D45309D4828798ECA8765@PAUL>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEKDHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com><41F07145E8C141799BD1E9116608DC22@PAUL>	<491257BF.7090003@accnorwalk.com>
	<F6085264435D45309D4828798ECA8765@PAUL>
Message-ID: <4912E7AC.9090606@accnorwalk.com>

Paul, I would use another new connector block but I prefer soldering 
into the harness as opposed to "butt" connectors. Soldering wires 
directly to the switch would eliminate any chance of a poor connection 
building up heat there but it would be a real pain if you ever had to 
remove it. Doug




paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Hello Doug,
>
> When I installed the new switch about two years ago I installed a new switch 
> and connector block and used "butt connectors" to re-connect the new pig 
> tail.
>
> The power wire terminals were definitely burned and weak on the light switch 
> when we removed it today. Would you suggest that I remove the connector 
> block and solder all of the wires directly to the light switch? or maybe 
> remove the existing terminal connector block and then install individual 
> "spade connectors" on each wire to the light switch?
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Doug Tallman" <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
>
>
>   
>> Paul, did you change the pigtail end on the harness to the switch?? That
>> is a must when there are signs of overheating in that area. The
>> teerminals loose their tension and just burns up the new switch from
>> poor contact. you need to solder the wires when you connect them. Also,
>> when the trailer hitch was removed, was it a simple unplug or has the
>> harness been butchered back there? Doug Tallman
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Nov  6 05:34:07 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 08:34:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <4912A47A.4020207@iamnota.org>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20081105191036.03d4de10@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<4912A47A.4020207@iamnota.org>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081106082913.03034980@pop3.wcoil.com>


I understand that, I was just commenting that it resembled the type of 
voting that they used to have (maybe still do) in Russia.  Mark

At 03:02 AM 11/6/08, you wrote:
>Ummm, it's not compulsory to vote for a _particular_ candidate, and
>there's usually at least a handful to choose from. ;-)
>
>Here's the AEC FAQ page:
>http://www.aec.gov.au/FAQs/Voting_Australia.htm
>
>And a rather concise history and discussion of the points for and
>against compulsory voting:
>http://www.aec.gov.au/pdf/voting/compulsory_voting.pdf
>
>Most flavors of democracy involve both rights and responsibilities, but
>if this is one you don't want to participate in, the vote is secret and
>you can always make it informal.
>
>Cheers, glen.
>
>Mark Shulaw wrote:
> > You  have Compulsor voting????  Even though I disagree with folks who 
> don't
> > vote  I find the idea of compulsory voting repugnant.
> > Personally, I have never missed a voting day since I came of voting age.
> > 22-23 years ago and wouldn't dream of missing one but being forced too
> > seems wrong too. Reminds me of the stories of the elections in Russia and
> > the vote would almost always by unanimous for the party choice.   Mark
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Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
No Sunday calls if possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  6 06:03:27 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:03:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
References: <2324FED3FDD04A7D853BB8349CCDA5B8@PETER>
	<013401c93ffe$019cb4e0$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <008601c94018$7153f450$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>



 part of hydrofluoric acid,  parts of nitric acid, > >>>>>

Try and buy a wee dram of either and get back to me on how that goes  .
I scored some nitric off the local minuteman and used it straight
to lift some corroded out . stamped in  letters from cast iron ...worked 
good .
fast too. Nasty nasty stuff .



Chuck Balyeat
http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm 



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  6 06:29:03 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:29:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7><6.2.1.2.1.20081105191036.03d4de10@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<B6B99CE798DB401AAFC17C7659E11EF7@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <00ab01c9401c$06f63330$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>


 It certainly is not repugnant !
 >>>
Perhaps it's no more than being told what to do .   
I have to fight the urge to spit when I hear 
the words carry and permit in that order . 
Sometimes I spit anyway . 

Chuck
  


From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Nov  6 07:28:52 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:28:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Petter Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <CFA752F5-379B-41CE-A003-E0E6A93E1E65@alltel.net>
References: <CFA752F5-379B-41CE-A003-E0E6A93E1E65@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <575A1083-176F-44C2-962F-A8DAE341195F@alltel.net>

Thanks for all the help (on and off List!) And a special THANKS to  
Paul Evans  for providing the manual that my friend needs!
	Dave


From kosh at ncweb.com  Thu Nov  6 08:44:57 2008
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:44:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081106113802.03bbe210@ncweb.com>

In this case, the huge turnout is a measure of the massive cultural divide 
in the US.

It was the result of a get-out-the-vote arms race between the liberal and 
conservative wings.

Compulsory voting would seen to encounter the law of unintended consequences,
in the form of the rebellious faction marking ballots at random.
With the number of oppressive measures in Oz right now, that faction may be 
getting rather large?

Dave Merchant


At 02:55 PM 11/5/2008, you wrote:
>I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations to 
>the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic 
>rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory 
>voting ,something I have no problem with.
>Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .
>_______________________________________________
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nesys_com at ameritech.net
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  6 10:26:38 2008
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:26:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Dodge wiring problem
Message-ID: <BAY121-W39B6DFFDAE3B05AC862B3FCB1E0@phx.gbl>


"Does this give anyone any clues?"

Yup.  Maybe.  This era Dodge has a problem with the main light switch if a trailer is pulled regularly, the truck doesn't have the tow package, and the trailer lights have been scabbed onto the wiring at the back of the bed.  Apparently, the wiring is not of sufficient capacity to carry both truck and trailer lights, causing it to heat up.  That causes resistance to rise and heat at the switch.  Some RV'ers have countered by taking the trailer wiring to the front of the truck and using adequate gauge wire, some have had success by switching all the trailer lights to LED's, which take much less current.

Keep us posted.


Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted   
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

E. Hemingway




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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  6 10:30:33 2008
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:30:33 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..Congrats to the US
Message-ID: <BAY121-W17423170B802288FD0EC66CB1E0@phx.gbl>


"As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory voting" Do you have an option of "None of the Above"?  If you are going to force me to make a choice twixt unsuitable candidates, leave me that out, ok?

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



"There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted   
armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

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From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Nov  6 12:03:34 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:03:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..Congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <BAY121-W17423170B802288FD0EC66CB1E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGELIHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Bruce:

Most of the time, I have to go with the "least objectionable" candidate.  This is especially true in local races.  However, I never fail to vote.  That way, I can bitch if the result isn't to my liking.    :-)

It's hard to find candidates who are to the right of Atilla The Hun. 

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Bruce
> Younger
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 12:31 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] OT ..Congrats to the US
> 
> 
> 
> "As you might or might not know we in Australia 
> have compulsory voting" Do you have an option of 
> "None of the Above"?  If you are going to force 
> me to make a choice twixt unsuitable candidates, 
> leave me that out, ok?
> 
> Bruce Younger 




From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Thu Nov  6 12:27:23 2008
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:27:23 -0000
Subject: [SEL] OT ..Congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGELIHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <BAY121-W17423170B802288FD0EC66CB1E0@phx.gbl>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGELIHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <02c901c9404e$13f43cd0$8335c53e@doc>

Oh, I dunno - I have never stood for election yet :)

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Elden DuRand
> Sent: 06 November 2008 20:04
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..Congrats to the US
> 
> Bruce:
> 
> Most of the time, I have to go with the "least objectionable" 
> candidate.  This is especially true in local races.  However, 
> I never fail to vote.  That way, I can bitch if the result 
> isn't to my liking.    :-)
> 
> It's hard to find candidates who are to the right of Atilla The Hun. 
> 
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >  Behalf Of Bruce
> > Younger
> > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 12:31 PM
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: [SEL] OT ..Congrats to the US
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "As you might or might not know we in Australia 
> > have compulsory voting" Do you have an option of 
> > "None of the Above"?  If you are going to force 
> > me to make a choice twixt unsuitable candidates, 
> > leave me that out, ok?
> > 
> > Bruce Younger 
> 
> 
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> 




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Nov  6 13:26:52 2008
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 06:26:52 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
References: <2324FED3FDD04A7D853BB8349CCDA5B8@PETER>
Message-ID: <FEAA15199DB64D1492D2729F69FA2B76@your9e74d7efa7>

Peter ,just wondering how a dye penetrant would go.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine.org" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:02 PM
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers


> Hi Guys
>
> I have a technical one for you gurus
>
> When I worked at the steel mill in Newcastle, Australia. the laboratories 
> were able to detect and read things that have been ground off.
> The company engraved all their tools with BHP, the rouges would grind that 
> off and steal the tools. If caught at a gate bag inspection with suspect 
> tools, they could take them to the lab and detect the engraved BHP. By 
> stamping or engraving it alters the grain structure of the steel and it 
> can be picked up by some sort of spectrograph.
> Does anyone in the US know of such a technique, I have a R&V guy in Texas 
> that needs to lift a serial number from a 4hp triumph line engine.
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
> _______________________________________________
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> 



From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Thu Nov  6 13:48:48 2008
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:48:48 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
In-Reply-To: <FEAA15199DB64D1492D2729F69FA2B76@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <2324FED3FDD04A7D853BB8349CCDA5B8@PETER>
	<FEAA15199DB64D1492D2729F69FA2B76@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <02fd01c94059$73aacc10$8335c53e@doc>

Hi Peter

I'd guess and say that it wouldn't - hard-stamping of serial numbers deforms
the grain of the metal, rather than fracturing it.  Dye pen needs a fracture
or surface-breaking discontinuity to work.  It gets dragged into cracks by
capillary action, like tea goes up a sugar lump :)

All the best

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> peter ogborne
> Sent: 06 November 2008 21:27
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
> 
> Peter ,just wondering how a dye penetrant would go.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
> To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine.org" 
> <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:02 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
> 
> 
> > Hi Guys
> >
> > I have a technical one for you gurus
> >
> > When I worked at the steel mill in Newcastle, Australia. 
> the laboratories 
> > were able to detect and read things that have been ground off.
> > The company engraved all their tools with BHP, the rouges 
> would grind that 
> > off and steal the tools. If caught at a gate bag inspection 
> with suspect 
> > tools, they could take them to the lab and detect the 
> engraved BHP. By 
> > stamping or engraving it alters the grain structure of the 
> steel and it 
> > can be picked up by some sort of spectrograph.
> > Does anyone in the US know of such a technique, I have a 
> R&V guy in Texas 
> > that needs to lift a serial number from a 4hp triumph line engine.
> >
> > Regards
> > Peter Lowe
> > R&V Engine Registrar
> > Australia
> > Ph: 61-266453455
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
> > _______________________________________________




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Nov  6 14:19:38 2008
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:19:38 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
References: <2324FED3FDD04A7D853BB8349CCDA5B8@PETER><FEAA15199DB64D1492D2729F69FA2B76@your9e74d7efa7>
	<02fd01c94059$73aacc10$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <FAC4A3A46F15465F90572B112299CDE9@your9e74d7efa7>

Yes Peter ,on reflection you would be correct .Trying to cast my mind back 
to my NDT days ....we need a forensic investigator!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Scales" <peter at loud-n-clear.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 6:48 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers


> Hi Peter
>
> I'd guess and say that it wouldn't - hard-stamping of serial numbers 
> deforms
> the grain of the metal, rather than fracturing it.  Dye pen needs a 
> fracture
> or surface-breaking discontinuity to work.  It gets dragged into cracks by
> capillary action, like tea goes up a sugar lump :)
>
> All the best
>
>     Pete
> -- 
> Peter Scales
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> peter ogborne
>> Sent: 06 November 2008 21:27
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
>>
>> Peter ,just wondering how a dye penetrant would go.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>> To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine.org"
>> <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:02 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
>>
>>
>> > Hi Guys
>> >
>> > I have a technical one for you gurus
>> >
>> > When I worked at the steel mill in Newcastle, Australia.
>> the laboratories
>> > were able to detect and read things that have been ground off.
>> > The company engraved all their tools with BHP, the rouges
>> would grind that
>> > off and steal the tools. If caught at a gate bag inspection
>> with suspect
>> > tools, they could take them to the lab and detect the
>> engraved BHP. By
>> > stamping or engraving it alters the grain structure of the
>> steel and it
>> > can be picked up by some sort of spectrograph.
>> > Does anyone in the US know of such a technique, I have a
>> R&V guy in Texas
>> > that needs to lift a serial number from a 4hp triumph line engine.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Peter Lowe
>> > R&V Engine Registrar
>> > Australia
>> > Ph: 61-266453455
>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>> > _______________________________________________
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From plb at iinet.net.au  Thu Nov  6 14:34:46 2008
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:34:46 +0900
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20081106113802.03bbe210@ncweb.com>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20081106113802.03bbe210@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <000301c9405f$df3edec0$9dbc9c40$@net.au>

Well we both have our voting systems and I would say that the vast majority
of Yanks and Aussies are happy with what they've got. Peters original post
was to congratulate the Americans of the list on electing a new President.
The democratic system has triumphed again and in fact history has been made
by democratically electing a African American person. Who would have thought
it possible until very recently? On top of that a President who has a
sweeping social agenda that if implemented will affect every American and to
some extent the rest of the world. We see here in the news reports African
Americans are over the moon on the election of your new President. It's a
while since that happened!
I'm sure that all the Aussies here wish our friends well under the new
administration.
Ray Freeman
Perth WA



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Merchant
Sent: Friday, 7 November 2008 1:45 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US

In this case, the huge turnout is a measure of the massive cultural divide 
in the US.

It was the result of a get-out-the-vote arms race between the liberal and 
conservative wings.

Compulsory voting would seen to encounter the law of unintended
consequences,
in the form of the rebellious faction marking ballots at random.
With the number of oppressive measures in Oz right now, that faction may be 
getting rather large?

Dave Merchant


At 02:55 PM 11/5/2008, you wrote:
>I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations to 
>the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic 
>rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory 
>voting ,something I have no problem with.
>Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .
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Dave Merchant
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Thu Nov  6 15:15:25 2008
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:15:25 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
In-Reply-To: <FAC4A3A46F15465F90572B112299CDE9@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <2324FED3FDD04A7D853BB8349CCDA5B8@PETER><FEAA15199DB64D1492D2729F69FA2B76@your9e74d7efa7><02fd01c94059$73aacc10$8335c53e@doc>
	<FAC4A3A46F15465F90572B112299CDE9@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <030a01c94065$8d4650c0$8335c53e@doc>

Was an NDT tech for 15 years :)


     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> peter ogborne
> Sent: 06 November 2008 22:20
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
> 
> Yes Peter ,on reflection you would be correct .Trying to cast 
> my mind back 
> to my NDT days ....we need a forensic investigator!




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Nov  6 18:15:48 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:15:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
References: <2324FED3FDD04A7D853BB8349CCDA5B8@PETER>
	<FEAA15199DB64D1492D2729F69FA2B76@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <7663A0AF3C7646DE934B0F383B4CC64E@PETER>

I have seen non destructive testing done for cracks in metal, will pass all 
your comments on to Texas, thanks guys.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



> Peter ,just wondering how a dye penetrant would go.

>
>> Hi Guys
>>
>> I have a technical one for you gurus
>>
>> When I worked at the steel mill in Newcastle, Australia. the laboratories
>> were able to detect and read things that have been ground off.
>> The company engraved all their tools with BHP, the rouges would grind 
>> that
>> off and steal the tools. If caught at a gate bag inspection with suspect
>> tools, they could take them to the lab and detect the engraved BHP. By
>> stamping or engraving it alters the grain structure of the steel and it
>> can be picked up by some sort of spectrograph.
>> Does anyone in the US know of such a technique, I have a R&V guy in Texas
>> that needs to lift a serial number from a 4hp triumph line engine.
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter Lowe
>> R&V Engine Registrar
>> Australia
>> Ph: 61-266453455
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From astfgl at iamnota.org  Thu Nov  6 18:21:55 2008
From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:21:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <B6B99CE798DB401AAFC17C7659E11EF7@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>	<6.2.1.2.1.20081105191036.03d4de10@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<B6B99CE798DB401AAFC17C7659E11EF7@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <4913A643.20904@iamnota.org>

Errr, Peter, I didn't say that. I'll assume you were having a seniors' 
moment when you attributed Mark's post to me. <grin>

peter ogborne wrote:
> Come on Glen ,you can't have it both ways .It certainly is not repugnant !
> Some people here just get their names crossed off the electrol roll and they 
> are the ones who dont give a rats arse and then complain about who has been 
> elected The majority treasure their democratic right to elect the person of 
> their choice .You have your system ,we have ours .All I am saying that It is 
> very ,very apparent that the majority of US voters wanted a changefor the 
> better or worse ,who knows .
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
> 
> 
>> You  have Compulsor voting????  Even though I disagree with folks who 
>> don't
>> vote  I find the idea of compulsory voting repugnant.
>> Personally, I have never missed a voting day since I came of voting age.
>> 22-23 years ago and wouldn't dream of missing one but being forced too
>> seems wrong too. Reminds me of the stories of the elections in Russia and
>> the vote would almost always by unanimous for the party choice.   Mark
>>
>>
>> At 02:55 PM 11/5/08, you wrote:
>>> I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations to
>>> the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic
>>> rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory
>>> voting ,something I have no problem with.
>>> Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .
>>> _______________________________________________
>> Mark & Christine Shulaw
>> 454 Co. Rd. 33
>> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>>
>> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
>> Parts lists available on request.
>>
>> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
>> No Sunday calls if possible.
>> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I 
>> represent
>> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and
>> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Nov  7 02:00:46 2008
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:00:46 +0900
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>	<6.2.1.2.1.20081105191036.03d4de10@pop3.wcoil.com><B6B99CE798DB401AAFC17C7659E11EF7@your9e74d7efa7>
	<4913A643.20904@iamnota.org>
Message-ID: <815E967CD1684253A0D7F6227BEE1009@your9e74d7efa7>

So sorry about that Glen ,yes senior moments come and go!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glen Harris" <astfgl at iamnota.org>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US


> Errr, Peter, I didn't say that. I'll assume you were having a seniors'
> moment when you attributed Mark's post to me. <grin>
>
> peter ogborne wrote:
>> Come on Glen ,you can't have it both ways .It certainly is not repugnant 
>> !
>> Some people here just get their names crossed off the electrol roll and 
>> they
>> are the ones who dont give a rats arse and then complain about who has 
>> been
>> elected The majority treasure their democratic right to elect the person 
>> of
>> their choice .You have your system ,we have ours .All I am saying that It 
>> is
>> very ,very apparent that the majority of US voters wanted a changefor the
>> better or worse ,who knows .
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
>>
>>
>>> You  have Compulsor voting????  Even though I disagree with folks who
>>> don't
>>> vote  I find the idea of compulsory voting repugnant.
>>> Personally, I have never missed a voting day since I came of voting age.
>>> 22-23 years ago and wouldn't dream of missing one but being forced too
>>> seems wrong too. Reminds me of the stories of the elections in Russia 
>>> and
>>> the vote would almost always by unanimous for the party choice.   Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> At 02:55 PM 11/5/08, you wrote:
>>>> I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations 
>>>> to
>>>> the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your 
>>>> democratic
>>>> rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory
>>>> voting ,something I have no problem with.
>>>> Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Mark & Christine Shulaw
>>> 454 Co. Rd. 33
>>> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>>>
>>> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
>>> Parts lists available on request.
>>>
>>> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
>>> No Sunday calls if possible.
>>> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I
>>> represent
>>> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist 
>>> and
>>> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>>
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Fri Nov  7 15:31:23 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:31:23 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine fuel and water pump rebuilding
Message-ID: <20081107233123.35EAF444839@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

I need packing for both a large fuel pump and a large water pump , both
piston type pumps. They would both hold ?? dia. Packing. What hi tech stuff
is available and who sells it? Ace Hardware has smaller packing and sells in
packages by the inch. I need 1 ?? of each or 3? for both if suitable. Thank
you for any help or suggestions on getting apiece of yard art running. Jimmy
O?Hagan,415 892 0236, Novato, Ca.

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Nov  7 16:42:41 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:42:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine fuel and water pump rebuilding
In-Reply-To: <20081107233123.35EAF444839@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20081107233123.35EAF444839@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <39FD2436-312F-4B6F-AA8A-2FDF88AD4AF3@rustyiron.com>

On Nov 7, 2008, at 3:31 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:

> I need packing for both a large fuel pump and a large water pump ,  
> both
> piston type pumps. They would both hold ?? dia. Packing. What hi  
> tech stuff
> is available and who sells it? Ace Hardware has smaller packing and  
> sells in
> packages by the inch. I need 1 ?? of each or 3? for both if  
> suitable. Thank
> you for any help or suggestions on getting apiece of yard art  
> running. Jimmy
> O?Hagan,415 892 0236, Novato, Ca.

Hi Jimmy,
McMaster-Carr sells all sorts of packing--different shapes, sizes and  
materials.  Their catalog describes the proper use of each.  Check 'em  
out at www.mcmaster.com

Rob










From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Nov  7 21:03:43 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:03:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <89C33FC916C743E3AF64414316C05942@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Rick,
    I've never gotten the statement from you for the 100 lbs of babbitt that 
I donated to the Tod Engine Foundation.  I need this to give to my tax man. 
Thanks.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tod Engine Foundation" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)


>I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb. delivered.   I know
> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods
> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've read 
> says
> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will need
> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt.
>
> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have 
> remaining,
> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house 
> building
> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-(
>
> Maybe if you still have it next year...
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Executive Director
> Tod Engine Foundation
> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH  44505
> 330-272-4089
> www.todengine.org
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>
>
>> Peter,
>>    I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you.  I have some NOS 
>> Jackson
>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots.  I'd sell it to
>> you
>> for $5 / lb.  Its probably worth more than that for scrap.  I bought 
>> about
>> a
>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I made the
>> guy
>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks for one
>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications.  All that have used it are
>> very
>> pleased with it.  Here's what it looks like:
>>
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>> To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "ATIS"
>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>
>>
>>> Hi All
>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to clarify a 
>>> few
>>> points.
>>>
>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing ID. The
>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. How many
>>> thou. do I allow.?
>>> 2.  The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the bearing
>>> where
>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom. The
>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around the 
>>> end,
>>> I
>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does. Would you
>>> try
>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a 
>>> spiral
>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who 
>>> cares
>>> it
>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in machining
>>> also.
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm
>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the vertical
>>> R&V
>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at:
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz, I bit
>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Peter Lowe
>>> R&V Engine Registrar
>>> Australia
>>> Ph: 61-266453455
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Hi Peter
>>>>
>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is most
>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors.
>>>> Composition:
>>>> SN - Tin           88.20%
>>>> AG - Silver       0.10%
>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00%
>>>> CU - Copper    3.05%
>>>> NI -  Nickel      0 .15%
>>>> SB  - Antimony 7.50%
>>>>
>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct.
>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance for OD,
>>>> ID
>>>> & length finish machining.
>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Ian Hill.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
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>>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Nov  7 21:52:56 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:52:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
In-Reply-To: <89C33FC916C743E3AF64414316C05942@tommydk7hxjr4h>
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h>
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	<89C33FC916C743E3AF64414316C05942@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <8BE14195-FAD2-403B-BC30-4430C1A8B8E9@alltel.net>

Hi Tommy and Rick,
	Not to worry, I still have that 100 lbs. of babbitt in a bucket in my  
garage. If Rick needs it before spring I can get it to him. What say  
you, Rick?
		Dave
PS, Jennie knows where it is and to whom it belongs--just in case I  
would happen to turn room temperature before it gets delivered to Rick!


On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:03 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> Rick,
>    I've never gotten the statement from you for the 100 lbs of  
> babbitt that
> I donated to the Tod Engine Foundation.  I need this to give to my  
> tax man.
> Thanks.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tod Engine Foundation" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>
>
>> I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb.  
>> delivered.   I know
>> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods
>> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've  
>> read
>> says
>> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will  
>> need
>> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt.
>>
>> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have
>> remaining,
>> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house
>> building
>> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-(
>>
>> Maybe if you still have it next year...
>>
>> Rick Rowlands
>> Executive Director
>> Tod Engine Foundation
>> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
>> 2261 Hubbard Road
>> Youngstown, OH  44505
>> 330-272-4089
>> www.todengine.org
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>
>>
>>> Peter,
>>>   I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you.  I have some NOS
>>> Jackson
>>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots.  I'd sell  
>>> it to
>>> you
>>> for $5 / lb.  Its probably worth more than that for scrap.  I bought
>>> about
>>> a
>>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I  
>>> made the
>>> guy
>>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks  
>>> for one
>>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications.  All that have used  
>>> it are
>>> very
>>> pleased with it.  Here's what it looks like:
>>>
>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074
>>>
>>> Tommy Turner
>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>>> To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "ATIS"
>>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM
>>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi All
>>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to  
>>>> clarify a
>>>> few
>>>> points.
>>>>
>>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing  
>>>> ID. The
>>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long.  
>>>> How many
>>>> thou. do I allow.?
>>>> 2.  The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the  
>>>> bearing
>>>> where
>>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom.  
>>>> The
>>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around  
>>>> the
>>>> end,
>>>> I
>>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does.  
>>>> Would you
>>>> try
>>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a
>>>> spiral
>>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who
>>>> cares
>>>> it
>>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in  
>>>> machining
>>>> also.
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm
>>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the  
>>>> vertical
>>>> R&V
>>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at:
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz,  
>>>> I bit
>>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Peter Lowe
>>>> R&V Engine Registrar
>>>> Australia
>>>> Ph: 61-266453455
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is  
>>>>> most
>>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors.
>>>>> Composition:
>>>>> SN - Tin           88.20%
>>>>> AG - Silver       0.10%
>>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00%
>>>>> CU - Copper    3.05%
>>>>> NI -  Nickel      0 .15%
>>>>> SB  - Antimony 7.50%
>>>>>
>>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct.
>>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance  
>>>>> for OD,
>>>>> ID
>>>>> & length finish machining.
>>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Ian Hill.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Nov  8 04:39:26 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 07:39:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h><026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><89C33FC916C743E3AF64414316C05942@tommydk7hxjr4h>
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Message-ID: <739BA5FE10B14DD999F232EC1CF69A52@tommydk7hxjr4h>

No problem guys.  Thanks.  Keep yourself above room temp. Dave!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)


> Hi Tommy and Rick,
> Not to worry, I still have that 100 lbs. of babbitt in a bucket in my
> garage. If Rick needs it before spring I can get it to him. What say
> you, Rick?
> Dave
> PS, Jennie knows where it is and to whom it belongs--just in case I
> would happen to turn room temperature before it gets delivered to Rick!
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:03 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
>> Rick,
>>    I've never gotten the statement from you for the 100 lbs of
>> babbitt that
>> I donated to the Tod Engine Foundation.  I need this to give to my
>> tax man.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tod Engine Foundation" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>
>>
>>> I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb.
>>> delivered.   I know
>>> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods
>>> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've
>>> read
>>> says
>>> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will
>>> need
>>> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt.
>>>
>>> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have
>>> remaining,
>>> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house
>>> building
>>> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-(
>>>
>>> Maybe if you still have it next year...
>>>
>>> Rick Rowlands
>>> Executive Director
>>> Tod Engine Foundation
>>> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
>>> 2261 Hubbard Road
>>> Youngstown, OH  44505
>>> 330-272-4089
>>> www.todengine.org
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Peter,
>>>>   I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you.  I have some NOS
>>>> Jackson
>>>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots.  I'd sell
>>>> it to
>>>> you
>>>> for $5 / lb.  Its probably worth more than that for scrap.  I bought
>>>> about
>>>> a
>>>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I
>>>> made the
>>>> guy
>>>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks
>>>> for one
>>>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications.  All that have used
>>>> it are
>>>> very
>>>> pleased with it.  Here's what it looks like:
>>>>
>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074
>>>>
>>>> Tommy Turner
>>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>>>> To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "ATIS"
>>>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM
>>>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to
>>>>> clarify a
>>>>> few
>>>>> points.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing
>>>>> ID. The
>>>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long.
>>>>> How many
>>>>> thou. do I allow.?
>>>>> 2.  The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the
>>>>> bearing
>>>>> where
>>>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom.
>>>>> The
>>>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around
>>>>> the
>>>>> end,
>>>>> I
>>>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does.
>>>>> Would you
>>>>> try
>>>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a
>>>>> spiral
>>>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who
>>>>> cares
>>>>> it
>>>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in
>>>>> machining
>>>>> also.
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm
>>>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the
>>>>> vertical
>>>>> R&V
>>>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at:
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz,
>>>>> I bit
>>>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Peter Lowe
>>>>> R&V Engine Registrar
>>>>> Australia
>>>>> Ph: 61-266453455
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors.
>>>>>> Composition:
>>>>>> SN - Tin           88.20%
>>>>>> AG - Silver       0.10%
>>>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00%
>>>>>> CU - Copper    3.05%
>>>>>> NI -  Nickel      0 .15%
>>>>>> SB  - Antimony 7.50%
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct.
>>>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance
>>>>>> for OD,
>>>>>> ID
>>>>>> & length finish machining.
>>>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Ian Hill.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - Release Date:
>>>>> 7/8/2008
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>>>>>
>>>>
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Sat Nov  8 05:28:10 2008
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:28:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h><026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<89C33FC916C743E3AF64414316C05942@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <007f01c941a5$d877f800$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

I have the letter drawn up but I need an address to put on it.

I'll email the letter and price quote once I get the address info. from you.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)


> Rick,
>    I've never gotten the statement from you for the 100 lbs of babbitt 
> that
> I donated to the Tod Engine Foundation.  I need this to give to my tax 
> man.
> Thanks.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tod Engine Foundation" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>
>
>>I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb. delivered.   I 
>>know
>> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods
>> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've read
>> says
>> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will need
>> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt.
>>
>> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have
>> remaining,
>> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house
>> building
>> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-(
>>
>> Maybe if you still have it next year...
>>
>> Rick Rowlands
>> Executive Director
>> Tod Engine Foundation
>> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
>> 2261 Hubbard Road
>> Youngstown, OH  44505
>> 330-272-4089
>> www.todengine.org
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>
>>
>>> Peter,
>>>    I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you.  I have some NOS
>>> Jackson
>>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots.  I'd sell it to
>>> you
>>> for $5 / lb.  Its probably worth more than that for scrap.  I bought
>>> about
>>> a
>>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I made the
>>> guy
>>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks for 
>>> one
>>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications.  All that have used it are
>>> very
>>> pleased with it.  Here's what it looks like:
>>>
>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074
>>>
>>> Tommy Turner
>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>>> To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "ATIS"
>>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM
>>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi All
>>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to clarify a
>>>> few
>>>> points.
>>>>
>>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing ID. The
>>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. How 
>>>> many
>>>> thou. do I allow.?
>>>> 2.  The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the bearing
>>>> where
>>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom. The
>>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around the
>>>> end,
>>>> I
>>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does. Would 
>>>> you
>>>> try
>>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a
>>>> spiral
>>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who
>>>> cares
>>>> it
>>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in machining
>>>> also.
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm
>>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the vertical
>>>> R&V
>>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at:
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz, I bit
>>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Peter Lowe
>>>> R&V Engine Registrar
>>>> Australia
>>>> Ph: 61-266453455
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is most
>>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors.
>>>>> Composition:
>>>>> SN - Tin           88.20%
>>>>> AG - Silver       0.10%
>>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00%
>>>>> CU - Copper    3.05%
>>>>> NI -  Nickel      0 .15%
>>>>> SB  - Antimony 7.50%
>>>>>
>>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct.
>>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance for OD,
>>>>> ID
>>>>> & length finish machining.
>>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Ian Hill.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
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>>>> 7/8/2008
>>>> 7:50 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Sat Nov  8 05:30:29 2008
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:30:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h><026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><89C33FC916C743E3AF64414316C05942@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<8BE14195-FAD2-403B-BC30-4430C1A8B8E9@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <009701c941a6$2ab45e10$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

Dave,

I don't think I'll need it before the next Coolspring meet, so maybe you 
could hand it over to me then.  But if I do need it before then I know where 
you live! :)

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)


> Hi Tommy and Rick,
> Not to worry, I still have that 100 lbs. of babbitt in a bucket in my
> garage. If Rick needs it before spring I can get it to him. What say
> you, Rick?
> Dave
> PS, Jennie knows where it is and to whom it belongs--just in case I
> would happen to turn room temperature before it gets delivered to Rick!
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:03 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
>> Rick,
>>    I've never gotten the statement from you for the 100 lbs of
>> babbitt that
>> I donated to the Tod Engine Foundation.  I need this to give to my
>> tax man.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tod Engine Foundation" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>
>>
>>> I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb.
>>> delivered.   I know
>>> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods
>>> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've
>>> read
>>> says
>>> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will
>>> need
>>> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt.
>>>
>>> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have
>>> remaining,
>>> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house
>>> building
>>> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-(
>>>
>>> Maybe if you still have it next year...
>>>
>>> Rick Rowlands
>>> Executive Director
>>> Tod Engine Foundation
>>> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
>>> 2261 Hubbard Road
>>> Youngstown, OH  44505
>>> 330-272-4089
>>> www.todengine.org
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Peter,
>>>>   I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you.  I have some NOS
>>>> Jackson
>>>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots.  I'd sell
>>>> it to
>>>> you
>>>> for $5 / lb.  Its probably worth more than that for scrap.  I bought
>>>> about
>>>> a
>>>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I
>>>> made the
>>>> guy
>>>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks
>>>> for one
>>>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications.  All that have used
>>>> it are
>>>> very
>>>> pleased with it.  Here's what it looks like:
>>>>
>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074
>>>>
>>>> Tommy Turner
>>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>>>> To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "ATIS"
>>>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM
>>>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to
>>>>> clarify a
>>>>> few
>>>>> points.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing
>>>>> ID. The
>>>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long.
>>>>> How many
>>>>> thou. do I allow.?
>>>>> 2.  The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the
>>>>> bearing
>>>>> where
>>>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom.
>>>>> The
>>>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around
>>>>> the
>>>>> end,
>>>>> I
>>>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does.
>>>>> Would you
>>>>> try
>>>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a
>>>>> spiral
>>>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who
>>>>> cares
>>>>> it
>>>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in
>>>>> machining
>>>>> also.
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm
>>>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the
>>>>> vertical
>>>>> R&V
>>>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at:
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz,
>>>>> I bit
>>>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Peter Lowe
>>>>> R&V Engine Registrar
>>>>> Australia
>>>>> Ph: 61-266453455
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors.
>>>>>> Composition:
>>>>>> SN - Tin           88.20%
>>>>>> AG - Silver       0.10%
>>>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00%
>>>>>> CU - Copper    3.05%
>>>>>> NI -  Nickel      0 .15%
>>>>>> SB  - Antimony 7.50%
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct.
>>>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance
>>>>>> for OD,
>>>>>> ID
>>>>>> & length finish machining.
>>>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Ian Hill.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>>>>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - Release Date:
>>>>> 7/8/2008
>>>>> 7:50 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Nov  8 06:49:44 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:49:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
In-Reply-To: <009701c941a6$2ab45e10$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <95D1DE444DC643BF80C0A786FA80B17E@tommyd0x52gkco>

Rick,
	If you could go on and send me a statement from the Tod
Foundation I'll give that to my CPA.  You can just email it if you like.

Lcjudge at scrtc.com

Thanks.

Tommy



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tod Engine
Foundation
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:30 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)

Dave,

I don't think I'll need it before the next Coolspring meet, so maybe you

could hand it over to me then.  But if I do need it before then I know
where 
you live! :)

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)


> Hi Tommy and Rick,
> Not to worry, I still have that 100 lbs. of babbitt in a bucket in my
> garage. If Rick needs it before spring I can get it to him. What say
> you, Rick?
> Dave
> PS, Jennie knows where it is and to whom it belongs--just in case I
> would happen to turn room temperature before it gets delivered to
Rick!
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:03 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
>> Rick,
>>    I've never gotten the statement from you for the 100 lbs of
>> babbitt that
>> I donated to the Tod Engine Foundation.  I need this to give to my
>> tax man.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tod Engine Foundation" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>
>>
>>> I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb.
>>> delivered.   I know
>>> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods
>>> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've
>>> read
>>> says
>>> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will
>>> need
>>> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt.
>>>
>>> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have
>>> remaining,
>>> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house
>>> building
>>> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-(
>>>
>>> Maybe if you still have it next year...
>>>
>>> Rick Rowlands
>>> Executive Director
>>> Tod Engine Foundation
>>> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
>>> 2261 Hubbard Road
>>> Youngstown, OH  44505
>>> 330-272-4089
>>> www.todengine.org
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Peter,
>>>>   I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you.  I have some NOS
>>>> Jackson
>>>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots.  I'd sell
>>>> it to
>>>> you
>>>> for $5 / lb.  Its probably worth more than that for scrap.  I
bought
>>>> about
>>>> a
>>>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I
>>>> made the
>>>> guy
>>>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks
>>>> for one
>>>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications.  All that have used
>>>> it are
>>>> very
>>>> pleased with it.  Here's what it looks like:
>>>>
>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074
>>>>
>>>> Tommy Turner
>>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>>>> To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "ATIS"
>>>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM
>>>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to
>>>>> clarify a
>>>>> few
>>>>> points.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing
>>>>> ID. The
>>>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long.
>>>>> How many
>>>>> thou. do I allow.?
>>>>> 2.  The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the
>>>>> bearing
>>>>> where
>>>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom.
>>>>> The
>>>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around
>>>>> the
>>>>> end,
>>>>> I
>>>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does.
>>>>> Would you
>>>>> try
>>>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a
>>>>> spiral
>>>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say,
who
>>>>> cares
>>>>> it
>>>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in
>>>>> machining
>>>>> also.
>>>>>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm
>>>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the
>>>>> vertical
>>>>> R&V
>>>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at:
>>>>>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoratio
n.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz,
>>>>> I bit
>>>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Peter Lowe
>>>>> R&V Engine Registrar
>>>>> Australia
>>>>> Ph: 61-266453455
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors.
>>>>>> Composition:
>>>>>> SN - Tin           88.20%
>>>>>> AG - Silver       0.10%
>>>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00%
>>>>>> CU - Copper    3.05%
>>>>>> NI -  Nickel      0 .15%
>>>>>> SB  - Antimony 7.50%
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct.
>>>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance
>>>>>> for OD,
>>>>>> ID
>>>>>> & length finish machining.
>>>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Ian Hill.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>>>>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - Release Date:
>>>>> 7/8/2008
>>>>> 7:50 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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From mls543 at ntelos.net  Sat Nov  8 10:20:05 2008
From: mls543 at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:20:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine fuel and water pump rebuilding
In-Reply-To: <39FD2436-312F-4B6F-AA8A-2FDF88AD4AF3@rustyiron.com>
References: <20081107233123.35EAF444839@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
	<39FD2436-312F-4B6F-AA8A-2FDF88AD4AF3@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <4915D855.4050607@ntelos.net>

Rob Skinner wrote:
> On Nov 7, 2008, at 3:31 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:
>
>   
>> I need packing for both a large fuel pump and a large water pump ,  
>> both
>> piston type pumps. They would both hold ?? dia. Packing. What hi  
>> tech stuff
>> is available and who sells it? Ace Hardware has smaller packing and  
>> sells in
>> packages by the inch. I need 1 ?? of each or 3? for both if  
>> suitable. Thank
>> you for any help or suggestions on getting apiece of yard art  
>> running. Jimmy
>> O?Hagan,415 892 0236, Novato, Ca.
>>     
>
> Hi Jimmy,
> McMaster-Carr sells all sorts of packing--different shapes, sizes and  
> materials.  Their catalog describes the proper use of each.  Check 'em  
> out at www.mcmaster.com
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>   


Jimmy  Try This Link I used there products for years  . Click On 
Distributor Locator
Mark

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Nov  8 17:04:02 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat,  8 Nov 2008 20:04:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Peter,

Massive turnout?  You understand how that worked, right?  ACORN registered all
the illegle aliens (multiple times each), registered the dead, and had EVERYONE
vote multiple times in every district.  It's relly neat to see such voter
turnout.  Why in many districts obama received more votes than there are people
in that entire state.  Is this a great country or what?

See ya,   Arnie

Quoting peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au>:

> I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations to
> the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic
> rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory voting
> ,something I have no problem with.
> Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .




From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Nov  8 17:23:22 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:23:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <D66B13282E2C49B98BA635FF5ECFE8B0@tommydk7hxjr4h>

That's the way I do it every time I run Arnie!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



> and had EVERYONE
> vote multiple times in every district.  It's relly neat to see such voter
> turnout.  
> 



From kimmell at verizon.net  Sat Nov  8 17:51:58 2008
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:51:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <0KA100D56MHKTPQ9@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>

But Arnie, if you racist rednecks in PA didn't cling to your guns and 
religion so much, ACORN wouldn't have to fight back!  :-)

-Tony

At 07:04 PM 11/8/2008, you wrote:
>Massive turnout?  You understand how that worked, right?  ACORN registered all
>the illegle aliens (multiple times each), registered the dead, and 
>had EVERYONE
>vote multiple times in every district.  It's relly neat to see such voter
>turnout.  Why in many districts obama received more votes than there 
>are people
>in that entire state.  Is this a great country or what?




From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Sat Nov  8 18:02:02 2008
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 21:02:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7><1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<0KA100D56MHKTPQ9@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <010501c9420f$28545d50$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

And yet Osama still didn't win by a landslide.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony & Jackie" <kimmell at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US


> But Arnie, if you racist rednecks in PA didn't cling to your guns and
> religion so much, ACORN wouldn't have to fight back!  :-)
>
> -Tony
>
> At 07:04 PM 11/8/2008, you wrote:
>>Massive turnout?  You understand how that worked, right?  ACORN registered 
>>all
>>the illegle aliens (multiple times each), registered the dead, and
>>had EVERYONE
>>vote multiple times in every district.  It's relly neat to see such voter
>>turnout.  Why in many districts obama received more votes than there
>>are people
>>in that entire state.  Is this a great country or what?
>
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sat Nov  8 18:56:10 2008
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:56:10 +0900
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>

Arnie old fella let me explain .Compulsory voting ,electrol rolls where you 
enroll when you reach the age of 18 .You vote in your particular electorate 
,your name is crossed off and that is it,no double voting . I am not saying 
it is perfect but it sure as hell beats the system you have ,electronic 
bullshit ,chads etc.
If you feel agrieved at the result and obviously you do judging by the tone 
and content of your message then perhaps you start a movement for compulsory 
voting.

In for a penny in for a pound .....Gun control! You cannot agree ,please 
tell me you dont  that some irresponsible dick head who lets his 8 year old 
kid fire off a machine gun at a gun fair ,the kid shoots himself in the head 
and his bloody stupid Dad then wonders how it happened ,this dick head 
should be not be let loose !
My original post was mearly to congratulate the citizens of the US who chose 
to vote .
We may have to agree to disagree ,other wise we get into trouble for being 
OT.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US


> G'day Peter,
>
> Massive turnout?  You understand how that worked, right?  ACORN registered 
> all
> the illegle aliens (multiple times each), registered the dead, and had 
> EVERYONE
> vote multiple times in every district.  It's relly neat to see such voter
> turnout.  Why in many districts obama received more votes than there are 
> people
> in that entire state.  Is this a great country or what?
>
> See ya,   Arnie
>
> Quoting peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au>:
>
>> I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations 
>> to
>> the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic
>> rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory 
>> voting
>> ,something I have no problem with.
>> Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From plb at iinet.net.au  Sat Nov  8 19:08:57 2008
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:08:57 +0900
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000301c94218$82843300$878c9900$@net.au>

>From my limited understanding of things American you have a strong
constitution that guarantee's your rights. Guns,free speech etc. At least
whatever happens Obama can't change that.
Ray Freeman
Perth WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
fero_ah at city-net.com
Sent: Sunday, 9 November 2008 10:04 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US

G'day Peter,

Massive turnout?  You understand how that worked, right?  ACORN registered
all
the illegle aliens (multiple times each), registered the dead, and had
EVERYONE
vote multiple times in every district.  It's relly neat to see such voter
turnout.  Why in many districts obama received more votes than there are
people
in that entire state.  Is this a great country or what?

See ya,   Arnie

Quoting peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au>:

> I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations to
> the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic
> rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory
voting
> ,something I have no problem with.
> Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .


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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sat Nov  8 19:23:41 2008
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 21:23:41 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
Message-ID: <410-22008110932341656@earthlink.net>

 Guns,free speech etc. At least
> whatever happens Obama can't change that.
> Ray Freeman
> Perth WA

He not officially in office yet.  Hell, I was looking at a magazine counter
yesterday and right in the middle for all to see was his own magazine
called "obama".  Took up a lot of good space where there could have been
more gun magazines.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


 





From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Nov  8 19:38:18 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:38:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <010501c9420f$28545d50$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7><1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<0KA100D56MHKTPQ9@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>
	<010501c9420f$28545d50$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <CB4D168D-3716-4EF5-AE17-BD2379083BE3@alltel.net>

THE HELL HE DIDN'T!
	Dave

On Nov 8, 2008, at 9:02 PM, Tod Engine Foundation wrote:

> And yet Osama still didn't win by a landslide.
>
> Rick


From falcon at telenet.net  Sat Nov  8 19:25:48 2008
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:25:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <000301c94218$82843300$878c9900$@net.au>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<000301c94218$82843300$878c9900$@net.au>
Message-ID: <4916583C.3050404@telenet.net>

Ray And Erica Freeman wrote:
>>From my limited understanding of things American you have a strong
> constitution that guarantee's your rights. Guns,free speech etc. At least
> whatever happens Obama can't change that.
> Ray Freeman
> Perth WA
> 
The catch is that while they cannot get an outrite ban on all guns, they 
can shove through legislation making anything they desire illegal. The 
rabid anti gun crowd would love to get laws in place that say you can 
only own a single shot firearm that uses black powder, then pass a law 
that says you need a special permit for the black powder and a permit to 
buy the bullets. They already want semi-auto weapons banned. So what's 
next on the list?

-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York


From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Nov  8 19:41:57 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:41:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <15A3C7DB-82CA-4D79-9313-D24CC92F6F7F@alltel.net>

Hi Arnie, Who in the hell is this asshole? Do you know him?
	Dave




On Nov 8, 2008, at 9:56 PM, peter ogborne wrote:

> Arnie old fella let me explain .Compulsory voting ,electrol rolls  
> where you
> enroll when you reach the age of 18 .You vote in your particular  
> electorate
> ,your name is crossed off and that is it,no double voting . I am not  
> saying
> it is perfect but it sure as hell beats the system you  
> have ,electronic
> bullshit ,chads etc.
> If you feel agrieved at the result and obviously you do judging by  
> the tone
> and content of your message then perhaps you start a movement for  
> compulsory
> voting.
>
> In for a penny in for a pound .....Gun control! You cannot  
> agree ,please
> tell me you dont  that some irresponsible dick head who lets his 8  
> year old
> kid fire off a machine gun at a gun fair ,the kid shoots himself in  
> the head
> and his bloody stupid Dad then wonders how it happened ,this dick head
> should be not be let loose !
> My original post was mearly to congratulate the citizens of the US  
> who chose
> to vote .
> We may have to agree to disagree ,other wise we get into trouble for  
> being
> OT.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
>
>
>> G'day Peter,
>>
>> Massive turnout?  You understand how that worked, right?  ACORN  
>> registered
>> all
>> the illegle aliens (multiple times each), registered the dead, and  
>> had
>> EVERYONE
>> vote multiple times in every district.  It's relly neat to see such  
>> voter
>> turnout.  Why in many districts obama received more votes than  
>> there are
>> people
>> in that entire state.  Is this a great country or what?
>>
>> See ya,   Arnie
>>
>> Quoting peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au>:
>>
>>> I know we dont like to get too political on this  
>>> forum .Congratulations
>>> to
>>> the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your  
>>> democratic
>>> rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have  
>>> compulsory
>>> voting
>>> ,something I have no problem with.
>>> Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
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From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sat Nov  8 19:36:31 2008
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 21:36:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7><1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<000301c94218$82843300$878c9900$@net.au>
Message-ID: <00fc01c9421c$5e4e0a20$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

We do have a strong constitution Ray but our courts interpretation of the 
constitution can take away liberties and some of our liberties have been 
seriously challenged in the name of security in the last few years.  One of 
the great effects of our leadership can have is their appointments to the 
supreme court.  George
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US


> >From my limited understanding of things American you have a strong
> constitution that guarantee's your rights. Guns,free speech etc. At least
> whatever happens Obama can't change that.
> Ray Freeman
> Perth WA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> Sent: Sunday, 9 November 2008 10:04 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
>
> G'day Peter,
>
> Massive turnout?  You understand how that worked, right?  ACORN registered
> all
> the illegle aliens (multiple times each), registered the dead, and had
> EVERYONE
> vote multiple times in every district.  It's relly neat to see such voter
> turnout.  Why in many districts obama received more votes than there are
> people
> in that entire state.  Is this a great country or what?
>
> See ya,   Arnie
>
> Quoting peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au>:
>
>> I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations 
>> to
>> the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic
>> rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory
> voting
>> ,something I have no problem with.
>> Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>
> 





From kimmell at verizon.net  Sat Nov  8 20:16:59 2008
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:16:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <0KA100DY4T79COF6@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>

At 08:56 PM 11/8/2008, you wrote:
>electrol rolls where you
>enroll when you reach the age of 18 .You vote in your particular electorate
>,your name is crossed off and that is it,no double voting . I am not saying
>it is perfect but it sure as hell beats the system you have ,electronic
>bullshit ,chads etc.


That actually sounds like a good idea.  We are required to sign up 
for selective service (the millitary draft) when we turn 18, so they 
might as well extend that to voter registration.  I don't agree with 
forcing people to vote, but you wouldn't have to.

This would at least put ACORN out of their misery, and they could 
stop signing up my dog and Mickey Mouse to vote...

-Tony



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Nov  8 20:17:51 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:17:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
Message-ID: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>

To break up the riveting political discussion: here are some boring old
pictures of engines from today's display at Luddenham in Western Sydney:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ldm08/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From kimmell at verizon.net  Sat Nov  8 20:21:59 2008
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:21:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <410-22008110932341656@earthlink.net>
References: <410-22008110932341656@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <0KA100NKNTFL3EI6@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>

At 09:23 PM 11/8/2008, you wrote:
>I was looking at a magazine counter
>yesterday and right in the middle for all to see was his own magazine
>called "obama".

He bought his own damn cable channel as well.  This whole cult of 
personality bullshit is getting ridiculous.  And half the country is 
too damn stupid or caught up in the hype to see through it.

-Tony



From plb at iinet.net.au  Sat Nov  8 21:14:42 2008
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:14:42 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
In-Reply-To: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>
Message-ID: <000501c9422a$13317dc0$39947940$@net.au>

Thanks Patrick,some nice engines there. Its the first Ronnie N I,ve seen
with instructions cast into the hopper
Ray Freeman
Pert WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
Livingstone
Sent: Sunday, 9 November 2008 1:18 PM
To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics

To break up the riveting political discussion: here are some boring old
pictures of engines from today's display at Luddenham in Western Sydney:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ldm08/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html


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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Nov  8 21:14:49 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  9 Nov 2008 00:14:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <D66B13282E2C49B98BA635FF5ECFE8B0@tommydk7hxjr4h>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<D66B13282E2C49B98BA635FF5ECFE8B0@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <1226207689.491671c9a90fb@webmail.city-net.com>

Wasn't it Mayor Daly (The First) of Chicago who coined the phrase "Vote early
and often."?  And I think he also said something along the lines of "The man
has been a faithful Democrat voter his entire life.  There's no reason for that
to stop now that he's dead."

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>:

> That's the way I do it every time I run Arnie!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Nov  8 21:44:04 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  9 Nov 2008 00:44:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Peter,

Quoting peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au>:

> Arnie old fella let me explain .Compulsory voting ,electrol rolls where you 
> enroll when you reach the age of 18 .You vote in your particular electorate 
> ,your name is crossed off and that is it,no double voting . I am not saying 
> it is perfect but it sure as hell beats the system you have ,electronic 
> bullshit ,chads etc.

If you'd like to cast more than one vote in your next election, just let me
know.  We'll ship a couple of experienced Chicago ward-heelers down and they'll
fix you right up.  10 votes each?  No worries.  Vote your long dead relatives? 
Not a problem.  You just need the advice of the pros.

> In for a penny in for a pound .....Gun control! You cannot agree ,please 
> tell me you dont  that some irresponsible dick head who lets his 8 year old 
> kid fire off a machine gun at a gun fair ,the kid shoots himself in the head
> and his bloody stupid Dad then wonders how it happened ,this dick head 
> should be not be let loose !

Its not a matter of "gun control."  It's a lack of idiot control.  If there were
no guns, this idiot would have the 8-year old driving down the Interstate or
reching up into the power mower to clear a clog (or doing the same to the
garbge disposal).

See ya,  Arnie




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Nov  8 21:49:48 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  9 Nov 2008 00:49:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <000301c94218$82843300$878c9900$@net.au>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<000301c94218$82843300$878c9900$@net.au>
Message-ID: <1226209788.491679fc5c409@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Ray,

Ahhh, if only it was that easy.  Obama regards the US Constitution as an
inconvenient document that is not at all relevant to today's times.  Left to
his own devices, he'll undo as much of it as he can.

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2008/10/obama_constitut.html

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Ray And Erica Freeman <plb at iinet.net.au>:

> From my limited understanding of things American you have a strong
> constitution that guarantee's your rights. Guns,free speech etc. At least
> whatever happens Obama can't change that.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Nov  8 21:56:40 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  9 Nov 2008 00:56:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <4916583C.3050404@telenet.net>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<000301c94218$82843300$878c9900$@net.au>
	<4916583C.3050404@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <1226210200.49167b980bbe2@webmail.city-net.com>

And the really sweet thing is with total control of the House, Senate, and
Presidency, they sould simply enact a 10,000% Federal Tax on ammunition and
components (bullets, brass, powder, primers).  If it costs you $500 per round
to shoot instead of $0.50, you sure aren't gonna do much shooting.

Look for THAT sweet deal to happen in the next four years in the Obamanation.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>:

> The catch is that while they cannot get an outrite ban on all guns, they 
> can shove through legislation making anything they desire illegal. The 
> rabid anti gun crowd would love to get laws in place that say you can 
> only own a single shot firearm that uses black powder, then pass a law 
> that says you need a special permit for the black powder and a permit to 
> buy the bullets. They already want semi-auto weapons banned. So what's 
> next on the list?




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Nov  8 22:02:09 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  9 Nov 2008 01:02:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
In-Reply-To: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>
Message-ID: <1226210529.49167ce19a383@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Patrick,

Man that's an interesting cooling tank on that Blackstone.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ldm08/pages/0811090011_JPG.htm

Is that a one off or something unique to Oz?  I don't think I've seen one like
it before.

See ya,   Arnie

Quoting Patrick M Livingstone <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>:

> To break up the riveting political discussion: here are some boring old
> pictures of engines from today's display at Luddenham in Western Sydney:
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ldm08/index.htm



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Nov  8 22:50:30 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:50:30 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
In-Reply-To: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>
Message-ID: <DE2AA1B5-2501-4C09-A26F-E3C6C6C8F222@rustyiron.com>


On Nov 8, 2008, at 8:17 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

> To break up the riveting political discussion: here are some boring  
> old
> pictures of engines from today's display at Luddenham in Western  
> Sydney:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ldm08/index.htm


Thanks, Patrick.  Can you tell me about the Crossley JB?  What does  
the B suffix mean?  What vintage is the engine?

Rob













From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Nov  8 23:46:49 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:46:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
In-Reply-To: <000501c9422a$13317dc0$39947940$@net.au>
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>
	<000501c9422a$13317dc0$39947940$@net.au>
Message-ID: <F8AA0E6B67FB4EF0B54DFAB0DA6E3B91@PML>

HI Ray,
	I don't remember seeing one like that before either. I thought it
was quite interesting.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html


-----Original Message-----


Thanks Patrick,some nice engines there. Its the first Ronnie N I,ve seen
with instructions cast into the hopper
Ray Freeman
Pert WA




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Nov  8 23:48:47 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:48:47 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
In-Reply-To: <DE2AA1B5-2501-4C09-A26F-E3C6C6C8F222@rustyiron.com>
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>
	<DE2AA1B5-2501-4C09-A26F-E3C6C6C8F222@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <AAD383AF7B594EABBFC2A7E43FD2F1E6@PML>

Hi Rob,
	The JB is a type J 'Benzine' engine (ie not a gas or oil engine). I
think it is from the 1900-10 era.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Sunday, 9 November 2008 5:51 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Some engine pics


On Nov 8, 2008, at 8:17 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

> To break up the riveting political discussion: here are some boring  
> old
> pictures of engines from today's display at Luddenham in Western  
> Sydney:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ldm08/index.htm


Thanks, Patrick.  Can you tell me about the Crossley JB?  What does  
the B suffix mean?  What vintage is the engine?

Rob











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From sndakitto at activ8.net.au  Sun Nov  9 00:29:48 2008
From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:29:48 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
In-Reply-To: <F8AA0E6B67FB4EF0B54DFAB0DA6E3B91@PML>
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>	<000501c9422a$13317dc0$39947940$@net.au>
	<F8AA0E6B67FB4EF0B54DFAB0DA6E3B91@PML>
Message-ID: <000301c94245$57d2a8d0$0777fa70$@net.au>

Patrick
Is the serial number ? on the side of the barrel cast in or is it a
transfer. What is its HP.
Steve

Steve and Denise Kitto
95 Coleyville Road
Mutdapilly  QLD   Australia 4307 
Ph 07 54671541

As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.  
Proverbs 27:19
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
Livingstone
Sent: Sunday, 9 November 2008 17:47
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Some engine pics

HI Ray,
	I don't remember seeing one like that before either. I thought it
was quite interesting.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html


-----Original Message-----


Thanks Patrick,some nice engines there. Its the first Ronnie N I,ve seen
with instructions cast into the hopper
Ray Freeman
Pert WA


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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Nov  9 01:40:38 2008
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:40:38 +0900
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7><1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com><8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7>

Thanks Arnie for your reasoned and restrained reply.
I understand your passion for your system ,likewise mine for our system. 
Multiple voting does not work here as i said before electrol roll, name 
crossed of as you vote...you can not vote more than once .

Guns ,well what frightens me is the number of guns you have ,the ordinary 
citizen . I have nothing against guns they are a needed in particular 
circumstances but not to have every second citizen carrying one ...idiots 
included.It must be easier to control the guns rather than the idiots .I 
know this will evoke a flood of impassioned response,so be it .I am just 
voicing an opinion and please dont think I am questioning your politcal 
system.As I stated before I just was pleased to see a bigger than normal 
turn out to vote .The result ,well I dont know enough about Obama but I did 
feel that Bush was not the person your country needed or deserved. No more 
political OT from me but if there is any insulting vitriol may be I will 
reply off list.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US


> G'day Peter,
>
> Quoting peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au>:
>
>> Arnie old fella let me explain .Compulsory voting ,electrol rolls where 
>> you
>> enroll when you reach the age of 18 .You vote in your particular 
>> electorate
>> ,your name is crossed off and that is it,no double voting . I am not 
>> saying
>> it is perfect but it sure as hell beats the system you have ,electronic
>> bullshit ,chads etc.
>
> If you'd like to cast more than one vote in your next election, just let 
> me
> know.  We'll ship a couple of experienced Chicago ward-heelers down and 
> they'll
> fix you right up.  10 votes each?  No worries.  Vote your long dead 
> relatives?
> Not a problem.  You just need the advice of the pros.
>
>> In for a penny in for a pound .....Gun control! You cannot agree ,please
>> tell me you dont  that some irresponsible dick head who lets his 8 year 
>> old
>> kid fire off a machine gun at a gun fair ,the kid shoots himself in the 
>> head
>> and his bloody stupid Dad then wonders how it happened ,this dick head
>> should be not be let loose !
>
> Its not a matter of "gun control."  It's a lack of idiot control.  If 
> there were
> no guns, this idiot would have the 8-year old driving down the Interstate 
> or
> reching up into the power mower to clear a clog (or doing the same to the
> garbge disposal).
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
>
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> 



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Nov  9 03:11:31 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:11:31 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
In-Reply-To: <000301c94245$57d2a8d0$0777fa70$@net.au>
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>	<000501c9422a$13317dc0$39947940$@net.au><F8AA0E6B67FB4EF0B54DFAB0DA6E3B91@PML>
	<000301c94245$57d2a8d0$0777fa70$@net.au>
Message-ID: <513925593B98452BB35CFF49F814B446@PML>

Hi Steve,
	The number on the side of the barrel would be the casting part
number. The engine number would be on the brass plate fitted to the
crankcase cover on the hopper side of the engine. I think the engine is a
2hp.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

-----Original Message-----


Patrick
Is the serial number ? on the side of the barrel cast in or is it a
transfer. What is its HP.
Steve

Steve and Denise Kitto
95 Coleyville Road
Mutdapilly  QLD   Australia 4307 
Ph 07 54671541

As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.  
Proverbs 27:19
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
Livingstone
Sent: Sunday, 9 November 2008 17:47
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Some engine pics

HI Ray,
	I don't remember seeing one like that before either. I thought it
was quite interesting.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html


-----Original Message-----


Thanks Patrick,some nice engines there. Its the first Ronnie N I,ve seen
with instructions cast into the hopper
Ray Freeman
Pert WA


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From ilifa at internode.on.net  Sun Nov  9 03:35:22 2008
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:35:22 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
In-Reply-To: <513925593B98452BB35CFF49F814B446@PML>
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>	<000501c9422a$13317dc0$39947940$@net.au><F8AA0E6B67FB4EF0B54DFAB0DA6E3B91@PML>
	<000301c94245$57d2a8d0$0777fa70$@net.au>
	<513925593B98452BB35CFF49F814B446@PML>
Message-ID: <9BF37C64-26F9-400A-AE99-16F10237D504@internode.on.net>


On 09/11/2008, at 10:11 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

> The number on the side of the barrel would be the casting part
> number. The engine number would be on the brass plate fitted to the
> crankcase cover on the hopper side of the engine. I think the engine  
> is a
> 2hp.

The engine definitely is a 2hp, and, as it has an upright magneto, it  
can be no later than 1941.
That hopper is something you wouldn't believe unless you saw it your  
self!
Patrick, do you know if this engine had an Austral plate, or was it  
made for someone else?

Eric


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Nov  9 03:49:56 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  9 Nov 2008 06:49:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7><1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com><8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <1226231396.4916ce6450304@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Peter,

> I understand your passion for your system ,likewise mine for our system. 
> Multiple voting does not work here as i said before electrol roll, name 
> crossed of as you vote...you can not vote more than once .

Ours is essentially the same thing.  In theory.  The trouble is that the
bastards are very clever in working their buggery on the system.  So it would
be with yours if anyone cared to fiddle with it.

> Guns ,well what frightens me is the number of guns you have ,the ordinary 
> citizen . I have nothing against guns they are a needed in particular 
> circumstances but not to have every second citizen carrying one ...idiots 
> included.

Don't be put off by the raw numbers.  Many individual gun owners are like engine
folks and have hundreds or thousands of different firearms.  Some do only have
one.  Generally speaking the ones with large numbers tend to be very careful
and are skilled shooters.  In terms of citizens carrying firearms, I think the
number is less than one percent.  And I'm one of 'em.  8-))

> The result ,well I dont know enough about Obama 

Believe me, as time goes on, you will hear MUCH more about that jerk.

See ya,  Arnie




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Nov  9 04:26:49 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 23:26:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>	<000501c9422a$13317dc0$39947940$@net.au><F8AA0E6B67FB4EF0B54DFAB0DA6E3B91@PML><000301c94245$57d2a8d0$0777fa70$@net.au>
	<513925593B98452BB35CFF49F814B446@PML>
Message-ID: <80BA6BCAFFDC4CC2B005627ED16A29A3@PETER>

Now look what you have done Patrick, you've got them ALL talking about 
boring engines instead of US politics on an engine list ;-)))
Nice pics mate as usual.

Peter, Oz



> Hi Steve,
> The number on the side of the barrel would be the casting part
> number. The engine number would be on the brass plate fitted to the
> crankcase cover on the hopper side of the engine. I think the engine is a
> 2hp.
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> Patrick
> Is the serial number ? on the side of the barrel cast in or is it a
> transfer. What is its HP.
> Steve
>
> Steve and Denise Kitto
> 95 Coleyville Road
> Mutdapilly  QLD   Australia 4307
> Ph 07 54671541
>
> As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
> Proverbs 27:19
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
> Livingstone
> Sent: Sunday, 9 November 2008 17:47
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Some engine pics
>
> HI Ray,
> I don't remember seeing one like that before either. I thought it
> was quite interesting.
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> Thanks Patrick,some nice engines there. Its the first Ronnie N I,ve seen
> with instructions cast into the hopper
> Ray Freeman
> Pert WA
>
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Nov  9 05:35:33 2008
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 08:35:33 EST
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
Message-ID: <c75.405dd735.36484125@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/8/2008 11:24:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ldm08/index.htm



Patrick,
 
Thanks for the picture postings and looks like a nice  rally.  That sure was 
a neat little drill press belted to and  engine.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Nov  9 08:26:21 2008
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 10:26:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <0KA200EM4QYUWF89@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>

At 03:40 AM 11/9/2008, you wrote:
>Guns ,well what frightens me is the number of guns you have ,the ordinary
>citizen . I have nothing against guns they are a needed in particular
>circumstances but not to have every second citizen carrying one ...idiots
>included.It must be easier to control the guns rather than the idiots .I
>know this will evoke a flood of impassioned response,so be it


I'm pretty passionate about it, but I can understand why opponents 
think that it's negative.  The media only shows you what bad can be 
accomplished with a gun.  Yet, those bad people are the very ones 
that gun control DOESN'T affect.  The only thing gun control does is 
take guns away from the law abiding citizens.  People who use guns 
for crime aren't worried about breaking the law to begun with.  Much 
the same way that marijuana is illegal, yet I bet you I could find 
myself some in less than an hour if I really wanted to (no, I don't 
smoke pot!).

Get yourself an NRA magazine and read up on all the good that can be 
done with a gun.  You'd be surprised how many crimes are thwarted 
with firearms (the liberal media never covers those stories).  It's 
been proven many times that communities with stringent gun laws 
eventually end up with higher crime rates, and vise versa.  Look at 
Chicago... they have a handgun ban, yet they are the murder capitol 
of the USA now.  That gun control worked wonders didn't it?  Thugs 
aren't quite as eager to go mug someone when there's a chance that 
they may be packing heat.

The really stupid part is that some of these idiots in government 
would like to make it a crime to defend yourself with a gun in your 
own home.  And our wonderful President elect is one of them.  I'm 
sorry, but if someone commits a crime with a gun or breaks into a 
home and they get shot and killed, I don't feel one bit sorry.

-Tony



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Nov  9 09:54:04 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:54:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <D66B13282E2C49B98BA635FF5ECFE8B0@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMENMHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Remember:  "It's election day!  Get out and vote.  Early and often!".

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Judge Tommy
> Turner
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 07:23 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
> 
> 
> That's the way I do it every time I run Arnie!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> > and had EVERYONE
> > vote multiple times in every district.  It's 
> relly neat to see such voter
> > turnout.  
> > 
> 
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Nov  9 10:08:19 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:08:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEENNHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Arnie:

Since we're about a light year off topic already, I thought I'd -temporarily- put a movie up.  It's kinda convincing.  Don't make any judgements until you get the context of it.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/GunControl.wmv

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:44 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US

..................snippety snip...................
 
> Its not a matter of "gun control."  It's a lack 
> of idiot control.  If there were
> no guns, this idiot would have the 8-year old 
> driving down the Interstate or
> reching up into the power mower to clear a clog 
> (or doing the same to the
> garbge disposal).
> 
> See ya,  Arnie




From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sun Nov  9 10:57:25 2008
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:57:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7><1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com><8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7><1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com><C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7>
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Tony,
  What a bunch of crap!!  Since you know what our president elect believes 
and is going to do ---how about providing us all a real service by telling 
us what the weather is going to be like next week. Happy Birthday Marines , 
Semper Fi     George Armstrong
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony & Jackie" <kimmell at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US


> At 03:40 AM 11/9/2008, you wrote:
>>Guns ,well what frightens me is the number of guns you have ,the ordinary
>>citizen . I have nothing against guns they are a needed in particular
>>circumstances but not to have every second citizen carrying one ...idiots
>>included.It must be easier to control the guns rather than the idiots .I
>>know this will evoke a flood of impassioned response,so be it
>
>
> I'm pretty passionate about it, but I can understand why opponents
> think that it's negative.  The media only shows you what bad can be
> accomplished with a gun.  Yet, those bad people are the very ones
> that gun control DOESN'T affect.  The only thing gun control does is
> take guns away from the law abiding citizens.  People who use guns
> for crime aren't worried about breaking the law to begun with.  Much
> the same way that marijuana is illegal, yet I bet you I could find
> myself some in less than an hour if I really wanted to (no, I don't
> smoke pot!).
>
> Get yourself an NRA magazine and read up on all the good that can be
> done with a gun.  You'd be surprised how many crimes are thwarted
> with firearms (the liberal media never covers those stories).  It's
> been proven many times that communities with stringent gun laws
> eventually end up with higher crime rates, and vise versa.  Look at
> Chicago... they have a handgun ban, yet they are the murder capitol
> of the USA now.  That gun control worked wonders didn't it?  Thugs
> aren't quite as eager to go mug someone when there's a chance that
> they may be packing heat.
>
> The really stupid part is that some of these idiots in government
> would like to make it a crime to defend yourself with a gun in your
> own home.  And our wonderful President elect is one of them.  I'm
> sorry, but if someone commits a crime with a gun or breaks into a
> home and they get shot and killed, I don't feel one bit sorry.
>
> -Tony
>
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> 





From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Nov  9 12:42:00 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:42:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
In-Reply-To: <739BA5FE10B14DD999F232EC1CF69A52@tommydk7hxjr4h>
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h><026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><89C33FC916C743E3AF64414316C05942@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<8BE14195-FAD2-403B-BC30-4430C1A8B8E9@alltel.net>
	<739BA5FE10B14DD999F232EC1CF69A52@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <23F82FBC-EE86-4A2A-B64A-505A9F84857F@alltel.net>

On Nov 8, 2008, at 7:39 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

>   Keep yourself above room temp. Dave!
> Tommy Turner

It is getting harder and harder Tommy. Hell, only last night it took  
me all night to do what I used to do all night!
	Dave
PS, "Harder and harder" is (sadly)  ONLY a figure of speech!
PPS, If you don't understand the first PS ask Reg--but, please, do so  
off list. This is a family friendly list! 


From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Nov  9 13:01:16 2008
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:01:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
Message-ID: <20081109.160116.872.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi List,

Does anyone out there have any idea where to find the leather cup shaped
disks found in 
the pump of an antique blow torch or antique plumbers stove?

It is made of leather with an outside diameter of about 3/4" and a 3/16"
hole in the middle.
It is shaped like a cup with the sides approx 1/8" - 3/16" high.

Also - I'm looking for the material that might be used in the check valve
to stop the air 
from returning back through the pump.

Any ideas will be appreciated.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - 
   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
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From milo at hughes.net  Sun Nov  9 13:26:46 2008
From: milo at hughes.net (milo at hughes.net)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:26:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
In-Reply-To: <20081109.160116.872.0.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20081109.160116.872.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <F426234AB1A541C68F690B2E4411DCAC@GALMIWHOLROYDMH>


>Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
>
>Hi List,
>
>Does anyone out there have any idea where to find the leather cup shaped
>disks found in
>the pump of an antique blow torch or antique plumbers stove?
>
>It is made of leather with an outside diameter of about 3/4" and a 3/16"
>hole in the middle.
>It is shaped like a cup with the sides approx 1/8" - 3/16" high.
>
>Also - I'm looking for the material that might be used in the check valve
>to stop the air
>from returning back through the pump.
>
>Any ideas will be appreciated.
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" -
>   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.

Sounds a lot like Coleman gas stove parts. 
"maybe?"

Peace
Milo

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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun Nov  9 13:41:13 2008
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:41:13 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
In-Reply-To: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081110083951.020ba098@ncable.com.au>

Nice gear Patrick, Is the 3hp Blacky Pauls. Also recon that looks 
like Edds old Alan?
Russell


At 03:17 PM 9/11/2008, you wrote:
>To break up the riveting political discussion: here are some boring old
>pictures of engines from today's display at Luddenham in Western Sydney:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ldm08/index.htm
>
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Nov  9 13:42:58 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:42:58 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEENNHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEENNHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <D9F9CC31-FF07-46EB-86D4-AA64E4666EED@rustyiron.com>

Isn't there anyplace else where old women can go to yammer on about  
completely impertinent subjects?

How about these sites?

www.listentome.com
www.desperateforattention.org
www.getalife.gov


































From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Nov  9 14:19:25 2008
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:19:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <005d01c9429d$05d6c630$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7>
	<0KA200EM4QYUWF89@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
	<005d01c9429d$05d6c630$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>
Message-ID: <0KA300BZ579VS9A4@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>

George,
All my statements are based on his past votes as senator in my home 
state of IL.  People keep saying you can't predict what someone is 
going to do... those people need to look at his voting record here in 
the IL senate.

With that said... I'll leave this topic alone now.  Back to engines.

-Tony


At 12:57 PM 11/9/2008, you wrote:
>Tony,
>   What a bunch of crap!!  Since you know what our president elect believes
>and is going to do ---how about providing us all a real service by telling
>us what the weather is going to be like next week. Happy Birthday Marines ,
>Semper Fi     George Armstrong




From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Nov  9 16:30:42 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:30:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
In-Reply-To: <23F82FBC-EE86-4A2A-B64A-505A9F84857F@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEOBHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Quit braggin' Dave!  It ain't becomin'!

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of David
> Rotigel
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 02:42 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
> 
> 
> On Nov 8, 2008, at 7:39 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> 
> >   Keep yourself above room temp. Dave!
> > Tommy Turner
> 
> It is getting harder and harder Tommy. Hell, only 
> last night it took  
> me all night to do what I used to do all night!
> 	Dave




From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Nov  9 16:32:42 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:32:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
In-Reply-To: <20081109.160116.872.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEOBHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Pip:

Go to McMaster.COM and root around.  I believe they carry pump leathers in various sizes.  If all else fails, just cut the tongues out of your Florsheims.  What with the white socks, no one will notice.    :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> jlb94 at juno.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 03:01 PM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
> 
> 
> Hi List,
> 
> Does anyone out there have any idea where to find 
> the leather cup shaped
> disks found in 
> the pump of an antique blow torch or antique 
> plumbers stove?
> 
> It is made of leather with an outside diameter of 
> about 3/4" and a 3/16"
> hole in the middle.
> It is shaped like a cup with the sides approx 
> 1/8" - 3/16" high.
> 
> Also - I'm looking for the material that might be 
> used in the check valve
> to stop the air 
> from returning back through the pump.
> 
> Any ideas will be appreciated.
> 
>  Joe "Pip" Betz said that.




From enginepaul at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 15:56:43 2008
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:56:43 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <0KA300BZ579VS9A4@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7>
	<0KA200EM4QYUWF89@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
	<005d01c9429d$05d6c630$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>
	<0KA300BZ579VS9A4@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0811091556s5ebef3b1j256f0955fe481f20@mail.gmail.com>

True:
"The really stupid part is that some of these idiots in government
would like to make it a crime to defend yourself with a gun in your
own home."
In California you had to prove that you couldn't escape your own house if
you used a gun. That's right; if you were in your own home and someone broke
in, you had to run. One SanFran guy was being sued because he shot a crook
that reached through his  security gate and grabbed the wife by the hair.
There are many other examples of the bad guys having rights while committing
crimes. But that's for Slick.
Back to the beginning; a new President may be needed, but we got the wrong
one.

Happy Birthday U.S. Marines (November 10th)
Semper Fi,
Paul in SanFran


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Nov  9 16:00:15 2008
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:00:15 -0000
Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h><026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><89C33FC916C743E3AF64414316C05942@tommydk7hxjr4h><8BE14195-FAD2-403B-BC30-4430C1A8B8E9@alltel.net><739BA5FE10B14DD999F232EC1CF69A52@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<23F82FBC-EE86-4A2A-B64A-505A9F84857F@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <000801c942c7$56a83880$12b40556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)


> On Nov 8, 2008, at 7:39 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>>   Keep yourself above room temp. Dave!
>> Tommy Turner
> 
> It is getting harder and harder Tommy. Hell, only last night it took  
> me all night to do what I used to do all night!
> Dave
> PS, "Harder and harder" is (sadly)  ONLY a figure of speech!
> PPS, If you don't understand the first PS ask Reg--but, please, do so  
> off list. This is a family friendly list! 

Hi Dave, I am also of declining years.
Does http://www.gumicsizma.hu/data/flash//dearpenis.swf
show the problem?
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sun Nov  9 16:22:35 2008
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:22:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7><1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com><8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7><1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com><C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7><0KA200EM4QYUWF89@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net><005d01c9429d$05d6c630$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5><0KA300BZ579VS9A4@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>
	<8d3c36fb0811091556s5ebef3b1j256f0955fe481f20@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00a601c942ca$733ca0f0$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Debateable:
"We needed a new president , but we got the wrong one." USMC Retired--Semper 
Fi
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US


> True:
> "The really stupid part is that some of these idiots in government
> would like to make it a crime to defend yourself with a gun in your
> own home."
> In California you had to prove that you couldn't escape your own house if
> you used a gun. That's right; if you were in your own home and someone 
> broke
> in, you had to run. One SanFran guy was being sued because he shot a crook
> that reached through his  security gate and grabbed the wife by the hair.
> There are many other examples of the bad guys having rights while 
> committing
> crimes. But that's for Slick.
> Back to the beginning; a new President may be needed, but we got the wrong
> one.
>
> Happy Birthday U.S. Marines (November 10th)
> Semper Fi,
> Paul in SanFran
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 





From jbcast at charter.net  Sun Nov  9 17:40:52 2008
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:40:52 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
In-Reply-To: <20081109.160116.872.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20081109204052.A5WF0.1054046.root@mp17>


---- jlb94 at juno.com wrote: 
> Hi List,
> 
> Does anyone out there have any idea where to find the leather cup shaped
> disks found in 
> the pump of an antique blow torch or antique plumbers stove?
> 
> It is made of leather with an outside diameter of about 3/4" and a 3/16"
> hole in the middle.
> It is shaped like a cup with the sides approx 1/8" - 3/16" high.
> 
> Also - I'm looking for the material that might be used in the check valve
> to stop the air 
> from returning back through the pump.
> 
> Any ideas will be appreciated.
> 
>  Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 

Joe, if you're going to fire it up, be careful. A leaking check valve will allow gas to come back out of the pump causing a thermal event. Try it outside and give it room.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA


From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Nov  9 18:33:05 2008
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:33:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
Message-ID: <20081109.214400.1344.3.jlb94@juno.com>

Go to McMaster.COM and root around.  I believe they carry pump leathers
in various sizes.
=        =        =        =        =        =        
Hi Elden,
 
I started with McMaster-Carr.
After searching around - I got nowhere.
That's why I'm asking the list.
 
Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - 
   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Nov  9 18:28:31 2008
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:28:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
Message-ID: <20081109.214400.1344.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Sounds a lot like Coleman gas stove parts. 
"maybe?"
=        =        =        =        ==        
Hi Milo,

YES - - - But - - - NO

YES - That is the kind of pump parts I want.
NO - Coleman parts are too small.

Thanks

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - 
   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Nov  9 20:01:02 2008
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 23:01:02 EST
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
Message-ID: <d1b.2fd6787f.36490bfe@aol.com>

The leather used in the vamp of boots make good leather cups for a  pump.  An 
outside form for your pump leathers can be fabricated from a  tube which is 
the same diameter as the pump cylinder.  A wooden dowel  shaped to be the same 
diameter as the inside diameter of the leathers  (there is usually a washer 
that holds the leather cup in place - use this  diameter for the inside form).  
Soak the leather in water.  Then force  the leather (with the smooth side 
down) into the outside form with the  inside form.  Then, let the leather dry.  
After the unit is dried,  trim the leather to height, punch the center hole, oil 
the cup,  and install it into the pump.
 
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 93454

 
 
In a message dated 11/9/2008 6:54:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jlb94 at juno.com writes:

I  started with McMaster-Carr.
After searching around - I got  nowhere.
That's why I'm asking the list.




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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Sun Nov  9 20:11:32 2008
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:11:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
In-Reply-To: <20081109.160116.872.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <010101c942ea$6b911320$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>

Don't know about one that small but I made some for an old forklift
hydraulic cylinder (about 3" diameter cylinder IIRC) with leather I got
at a saddle shop.  Cut it & then got it wet; formed it to shape & when
dry it held the shape well enough to work.

Lew near Waco, TX


-----Original Message-----
 Hi List,

Does anyone out there have any idea where to find the leather cup shaped
disks found in 
the pump of an antique blow torch or antique plumbers stove?

It is made of leather with an outside diameter of about 3/4" and a 3/16"
hole in the middle.
It is shaped like a cup with the sides approx 1/8" - 3/16" high.

Also - I'm looking for the material that might be used in the check
valve
to stop the air 
from returning back through the pump.

Any ideas will be appreciated.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - 
   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Nov  9 21:31:14 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:31:14 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
In-Reply-To: <9BF37C64-26F9-400A-AE99-16F10237D504@internode.on.net>
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>	<000501c9422a$13317dc0$39947940$@net.au><F8AA0E6B67FB4EF0B54DFAB0DA6E3B91@PML><000301c94245$57d2a8d0$0777fa70$@net.au><513925593B98452BB35CFF49F814B446@PML>
	<9BF37C64-26F9-400A-AE99-16F10237D504@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <299CAFCCECA94A3292341FF12EA45219@PML>

Hi Eric,
	I was so busy getting a picture of the interesting hopper that I did
not get a shot of the nameplate. I am pretty sure the sign on the fence said
it was a Ronaldson-Tippet Austral. That hopper is pretty unusual.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Eric Schulz
Sent: Sunday, 9 November 2008 10:35 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Some engine pics


On 09/11/2008, at 10:11 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

> The number on the side of the barrel would be the casting part
> number. The engine number would be on the brass plate fitted to the
> crankcase cover on the hopper side of the engine. I think the engine  
> is a
> 2hp.

The engine definitely is a 2hp, and, as it has an upright magneto, it  
can be no later than 1941.
That hopper is something you wouldn't believe unless you saw it your  
self!
Patrick, do you know if this engine had an Austral plate, or was it  
made for someone else?

Eric
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Nov  9 21:33:39 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:33:39 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081110083951.020ba098@ncable.com.au>
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20081110083951.020ba098@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <B7B0A5E4A28B46A6A22E4198015F76B1@PML>

The little 3hp Blackstone is Paul's latest on its first outing. The Allan is
the one that Edd used to own. Always a nice engine.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html


-----Original Message-----


Nice gear Patrick, Is the 3hp Blacky Pauls. Also recon that looks 
like Edds old Alan?
Russell





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 10 03:21:53 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:21:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <0KA200EM4QYUWF89@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
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	<C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7>
	<0KA200EM4QYUWF89@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <1226316113.491819511f0af@webmail.city-net.com>

Remember "gun control" means putting the second bullet 
through the first hole.

Quoting Tony & Jackie <kimmell at verizon.net>:

> The only thing gun control does is 
> take guns away from the law abiding citizens. 




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 10 03:28:58 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:28:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEENNHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEENNHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <1226316538.49181afa2c633@webmail.city-net.com>

EXCELLENT!!  Must viewing!

Quoting Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>:

> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/GunControl.wmv




From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Mon Nov 10 03:38:59 2008
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:38:59 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <49181D53.3080507@steamengine.com.au>

Compulsory voting? Maybe. But it isn't compulsory to enrol. Once you're 
in it is pretty hard to get out though!

I managed it... moved house four times and went and worked overseas for 
a few years. Fell off the roll!

Regards
Paul

peter ogborne wrote:
> I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations to the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory voting ,something I have no problem with.
> Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Nov 10 06:11:31 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:11:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <1226316113.491819511f0af@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
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And using both hands!

At 06:21 AM 11/10/08, you wrote:
>Remember "gun control" means putting the second bullet
>through the first hole.
>
>Quoting Tony & Jackie <kimmell at verizon.net>:
>
> > The only thing gun control does is
> > take guns away from the law abiding citizens.


Mark Shulaw
Bluffton Ohio  




From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Nov 10 07:12:46 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:12:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20081110091029.0304c690@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7>
	<0KA200EM4QYUWF89@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
	<1226316113.491819511f0af@webmail.city-net.com>
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Message-ID: <2BD96656-D2AD-46D5-8185-7E0F747B471A@alltel.net>

It's really not about guns at all--it's about CONTROL!
	Dave


On Nov 10, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

> And using both hands!
>
> At 06:21 AM 11/10/08, you wrote:
>> Remember "gun control" means putting the second bullet
>> through the first hole.
>>
>> Quoting Tony & Jackie <kimmell at verizon.net>:
>>
>>> The only thing gun control does is
>>> take guns away from the law abiding citizens.
>
>
> Mark Shulaw


From shop at cccomm.net  Mon Nov 10 07:21:26 2008
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:21:26 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7><1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com><8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7><1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com><C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7><0KA200EM4QYUWF89@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net><1226316113.491819511f0af@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20081110091029.0304c690@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <305431280D7F42BCA9B4C28A7C4306AD@YOURA8CFD79427>

Gun control is;
You keep control of yours,
I'll keep control of mine..................

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US


And using both hands!

At 06:21 AM 11/10/08, you wrote:
>Remember "gun control" means putting the second bullet
>through the first hole.
>
>Quoting Tony & Jackie <kimmell at verizon.net>:
>
> > The only thing gun control does is
> > take guns away from the law abiding citizens.


Mark Shulaw
Bluffton Ohio


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From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Nov 10 08:51:12 2008
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:51:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
Message-ID: <20081110.115407.984.12.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Lew,
As I said in a previous e-mail - Looks like I'm going to have to give it
a try.
I have several scraps of leather hiding in a drawer.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - 
   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.

 
Lew near Waco, TX 
On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:11:32 -0600 "Lew Best" <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
writes:
> Don't know about one that small but I made some for an old forklift
> hydraulic cylinder (about 3" diameter cylinder IIRC) with leather I 
> got
> at a saddle shop.  Cut it & then got it wet; formed it to shape & 
> when
> dry it held the shape well enough to work.
> 
> Lew near Waco, TX
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>  Hi List,
> 
> Does anyone out there have any idea where to find the leather cup 
> shaped
> disks found in 
> the pump of an antique blow torch or antique plumbers stove?
> 
> It is made of leather with an outside diameter of about 3/4" and a 
> 3/16"
> hole in the middle.
> It is shaped like a cup with the sides approx 1/8" - 3/16" high.
> 
> Also - I'm looking for the material that might be used in the check
> valve
> to stop the air 
> from returning back through the pump.
> 
> Any ideas will be appreciated.
> 
>  Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
>  jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>    ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>    \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - 
>    (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
> ____________________________________________________________
> 
> 
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Nov 10 08:49:33 2008
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:49:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
Message-ID: <20081110.115407.984.11.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Francis,
I was thinking of going that route but would rather see if I could find
some 
professionaly made.
It looks like I'm going to have to give it a try.
Thanks,
 
Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - 
   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.

On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 23:01:02 EST FRM8198 at aol.com writes:
> The leather used in the vamp of boots make good leather cups for a  
> pump.  An 
> outside form for your pump leathers can be fabricated from a  tube 
> which is 
> the same diameter as the pump cylinder.  A wooden dowel  shaped to 
> be the same 
> diameter as the inside diameter of the leathers  (there is usually a 
> washer 
> that holds the leather cup in place - use this  diameter for the 
> inside form).  
> Soak the leather in water.  Then force  the leather (with the smooth 
> side 
> down) into the outside form with the  inside form.  Then, let the 
> leather dry.  
> After the unit is dried,  trim the leather to height, punch the 
> center hole, oil 
> the cup,  and install it into the pump.
>  
>  
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA 93454
> 
>  
>  
> In a message dated 11/9/2008 6:54:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
> jlb94 at juno.com writes:
> 
> I  started with McMaster-Carr.
> After searching around - I got  nowhere.
> That's why I'm asking the list.
> 
> 
> 
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Nov 10 09:39:34 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:39:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
In-Reply-To: <20081110.115407.984.12.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20081110.115407.984.12.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <1EF45B2B-835B-4984-940D-2771DDC1E6CA@alltel.net>

Hi Joe, I just called Meier Hdw in Export. They said that they  
"probably have" the leather you need. Bring in the old one and they  
can match it. You can reach them at: 724.327.1905.
	Dave


--------
David Rotigel
rotigel at alltel.net



On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:51 AM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

> Thanks Lew,
> As I said in a previous e-mail - Looks like I'm going to have to  
> give it
> a try.
> I have several scraps of leather hiding in a drawer.
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" -
>   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
>
>
> Lew near Waco, TX
> On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:11:32 -0600 "Lew Best"  
> <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
> writes:
>> Don't know about one that small but I made some for an old forklift
>> hydraulic cylinder (about 3" diameter cylinder IIRC) with leather I
>> got
>> at a saddle shop.  Cut it & then got it wet; formed it to shape &
>> when
>> dry it held the shape well enough to work.
>>
>> Lew near Waco, TX
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Hi List,
>>
>> Does anyone out there have any idea where to find the leather cup
>> shaped
>> disks found in
>> the pump of an antique blow torch or antique plumbers stove?
>>
>> It is made of leather with an outside diameter of about 3/4" and a
>> 3/16"
>> hole in the middle.
>> It is shaped like a cup with the sides approx 1/8" - 3/16" high.
>>
>> Also - I'm looking for the material that might be used in the check
>> valve
>> to stop the air
>> from returning back through the pump.
>>
>> Any ideas will be appreciated.
>>
>> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>>   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>>   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" -
>>   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Nov 10 11:30:11 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:30:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
In-Reply-To: <20081110.115407.984.11.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20081110.115407.984.11.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081110142712.033cb2c0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi Joe, Did you get the off list message about the two torch collectors 
that most likely will have or can direct you to proper parts 
sources?                 Mark



Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
No Sunday calls if possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Nov 10 12:16:32 2008
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:16:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
Message-ID: <20081110.152300.1080.7.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Mark,
YES - I e-mailed them and just this minute got a reply from David.
He explained that he only has torches for display and doesn't intend to
use them.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - 
   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
  
On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:30:11 -0500 Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> writes:
> Hi Joe, Did you get the off list message about the two torch 
> collectors 
> that most likely will have or can direct you to proper parts 
> sources?                 Mark
> 
> 
> 
> Mark & Christine Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
> 
> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
> Parts lists available on request.
> 
> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206

> 
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Mon Nov 10 13:33:00 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:33:00 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patina on brass
Message-ID: <20081110213300.6B8D44C8E00@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

First off ,Thanks for the information on pump /valve packing. Anyway ,is
there a way to replace 80 years of patina on a Lunk Greaser that some
misguided soul polished to bright brass? I can put in a few hours or even a
couple of days ,but can't wait decades. There has to be a chemical that
reverses the chemicals in "brass polish" Thanks Jimmy 

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 10 13:59:54 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:59:54 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Patina on brass
References: <20081110213300.6B8D44C8E00@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <000601c9437f$aadf7a90$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

There has to be a chemical that
> reverses the chemicals in "brass polish" Thanks Jimmy 
> Jim O'Hagan>>>>

Ammonia , or urine 


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 10 14:09:05 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:09:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Patina on brass
In-Reply-To: <20081110213300.6B8D44C8E00@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20081110213300.6B8D44C8E00@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W34C7E5A264F7343639CB80951A0@phx.gbl>


HI Jim, Liver of sulfur which is available at Dick Blick art supplies will do the trick. or you can make your own which is not as fast acting by dissolving lime and sulfur in warm water. Steve> From: jdohagan at comcast.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:33:00 -0800> Subject: [SEL] Patina on brass> > First off ,Thanks for the information on pump /valve packing. Anyway ,is> there a way to replace 80 years of patina on a Lunk Greaser that some> misguided soul polished to bright brass? I can put in a few hours or even a> couple of days ,but can't wait decades. There has to be a chemical that> reverses the chemicals in "brass polish" Thanks Jimmy > > > > Jim O'Hagan> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Mon Nov 10 15:58:40 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:58:40 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patina on brass
In-Reply-To: <000601c9437f$aadf7a90$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <20081110235841.4CEB0444867@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Oh!PISS on it!

Jim O'Hagan
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From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
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Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 2:00 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Patina on brass

There has to be a chemical that
> reverses the chemicals in "brass polish" Thanks Jimmy 
> Jim O'Hagan>>>>

Ammonia , or urine 
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Nov 10 16:16:32 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:16:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Patina on brass
In-Reply-To: <20081110213300.6B8D44C8E00@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20081110213300.6B8D44C8E00@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081110191533.03047d90@pop3.wcoil.com>

Send it to my place my sulphur water will take care of it in a few weeks. 
Make it look ages old. GRINN,  Mark


At 04:33 PM 11/10/08, you wrote:
>First off ,Thanks for the information on pump /valve packing. Anyway ,is
>there a way to replace 80 years of patina on a Lunk Greaser that some
>misguided soul polished to bright brass? I can put in a few hours or even a
>couple of days ,but can't wait decades. There has to be a chemical that
>reverses the chemicals in "brass polish" Thanks Jimmy
>
>
>
>Jim O'Hagan
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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From k_armstrong at arach.net.au  Mon Nov 10 18:44:18 2008
From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:44:18 +0900
Subject: [SEL] usa holiday 2008
Message-ID: <B72DCAFC6F1241C79FD2BE298319BA8C@armstrong>

Hello all,
            After 6wks holiday in the USA from July 31,  we managed to visit a engine show or 2, I have only just had time to modify my web page. We when to the,
 Northern Illinois Steam Power 52nd annual Sycamore Show on Aug 14 2008 
 http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/SYCOMORE%20SHOW%202008.htm
121st annual Sandwich Fair (Illinois) Sept 3rd 2008
http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/SANDWICH%20FAIR%202008.htm
Tri State Gas Engine 43rd annual show at  Portland Indiana aug 22nd 2008
http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/portland%20show%202008.htm
Hostetlers Hudson Auto Museum at Shipswana Indiana 
 http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/HUDSON%20CAR%20COLLECTION.htm
 With only 6 weeks holiday there was much to see and do with other things on the list.
A week before we went I got a bug in my computer which was not sorted out before I left, so I bought a new lap top to take with all my email contacts set up, then I got a bug in that computer and had to reset to start up and lost all email details, so not much contact was made any where.
 have a look
regards

Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA 
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member 
V.C.C. of WA. member 
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong


From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Nov 10 19:48:43 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:48:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Easy Starter & Speeder Frankfort Ind.
In-Reply-To: <20081110.115407.984.11.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20081110.115407.984.11.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081110222543.0304b810@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi All, Does anyone know what this was or came from? Top reads  EASY 
STARTER AND SPEEDER PATS PENDING KNUDLE -McDANIEL CO. FRANKFORT, IND  I am 
guessing at the KNU from just small parts of the remaining letters, these 
letters are very indistinct.
  I've researced the names on top all ways I can think of without any real 
clue. Been all over with Google and searched the patent office extensively 
to the best of my knowledge. NOTHING.
Lots of guesses as to what it was but anyone know for 
sure?          Thanks,  Mark

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From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Nov 10 20:24:55 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:24:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Easy Starter & Speeder Frankfort Ind.
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081110231306.0304b570@pop3.wcoil.com>

PS: Did find the possability of something in the site 
http://www.newspaperarchive.com/
this site says they have something matching what I am looking for but it 
requires a annual membership to view the site.  Anyone happen to be a 
member that can let me know if the info contained would pertain to the 
item? They do have a $9.99 one month introductory trial offer I would be 
willing to buy if I knew the info really pertained to what I am looking for.
The best guess I've had is its a sort of fuel primer. Possably an add on 
device to make for easier car or tractor starting.        TTYL,   Mark

 >Hi All, Does anyone know what this was or came from? Top reads  EASY 
STARTER AND SPEEDER >PATS PENDING KNUDLE -McDANIEL CO. FRANKFORT, IND  I am 
guessing at the KNU from just small >parts of the remaining letters, these 
letters are very indistinct.
 >I've researced the names on top all ways I can think of without any real 
clue. Been all over with Google >and searched the patent office extensively 
to the best of my knowledge. NOTHING.
 >Lots of guesses as to what it was but anyone know for 
sure?          Thanks,  Mark

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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 06:06:06 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:06:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Easy Starter & Speeder Frankfort Ind.
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20081110231306.0304b570@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <000801c94406$a45b9e10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>




> PS: Did find the possability of something in the site 
> http://www.newspaperarchive.com/
> this site says they have something matching what I am looking for but it 
> requires a annual membership to view the site.  

I'll buh bubetcha they dont either . 


From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Nov 11 06:39:00 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:39:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20081110222543.0304b810@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <20081110.115407.984.11.jlb94@juno.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20081110222543.0304b810@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081111093805.0304d8a0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Any ideas as to what this engine is? http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/unknown.jpg



Mark & Christine Shulaw
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Bluffton, Ohio 45817
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Nov 11 06:41:37 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:41:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081111094025.0304f790@pop3.wcoil.com>

This is the info provided.

Single cylinder 4hp hopper-cooled german stationery engine. (4hp at 2000 
revs per minute) 4 stroke petrol type with 2 flywheels. Exposed valve gear. 
Type MA 608, engine N? 1238748. QX markings on both flywheels.

  http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/unknown.jpg



Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, Ohio 45817
Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
Home #419.358.5206






From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 07:13:20 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:13:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] usa holiday 2008
References: <B72DCAFC6F1241C79FD2BE298319BA8C@armstrong>
Message-ID: <003f01c94410$6202dc90$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

 http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/images/DSC02410.JPG
Is that Brother Rudy sittin' under there ? 


Chuck Balyeat 
http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm


From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Nov 11 08:06:00 2008
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:06:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
Message-ID: <20081111.110709.300.5.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Dave, 
I'll give them a call.
I never thought to try hardware stores.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - 
   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
 
On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:39:34 -0500 David Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
writes:
> Hi Joe, I just called Meier Hdw in Export. They said that they  
> "probably have" the leather you need. Bring in the old one and they  
> 
> can match it. You can reach them at: 724.327.1905.
>         Dave
> 
> 
> --------
> David Rotigel
> rotigel at alltel.net
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:51 AM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Lew,
> > As I said in a previous e-mail - Looks like I'm going to have to  
> 
> > give it
> > a try.
> > I have several scraps of leather hiding in a drawer.
> >
> > Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> >   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> >   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" -
> >   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
> >
> >
> > Lew near Waco, TX
> > On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:11:32 -0600 "Lew Best"  
> > <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
> > writes:
> >> Don't know about one that small but I made some for an old 
> forklift
> >> hydraulic cylinder (about 3" diameter cylinder IIRC) with leather 
> I
> >> got
> >> at a saddle shop.  Cut it & then got it wet; formed it to shape 
> &
> >> when
> >> dry it held the shape well enough to work.
> >>
> >> Lew near Waco, TX
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> Hi List,
> >>
> >> Does anyone out there have any idea where to find the leather 
> cup
> >> shaped
> >> disks found in
> >> the pump of an antique blow torch or antique plumbers stove?
> >>
> >> It is made of leather with an outside diameter of about 3/4" and 
> a
> >> 3/16"
> >> hole in the middle.
> >> It is shaped like a cup with the sides approx 1/8" - 3/16" high.
> >>
> >> Also - I'm looking for the material that might be used in the 
> check
> >> valve
> >> to stop the air
> >> from returning back through the pump.
> >>
> >> Any ideas will be appreciated.
> >>
> >> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> >> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> >>   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> >>   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" -
> >>   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
> >> ____________________________________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>
> >
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> > 
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Nov 11 09:33:53 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:33:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
In-Reply-To: <20081111.110709.300.5.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20081111.110709.300.5.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <7C806AF5-635F-4D43-B35C-62AEA6E21393@alltel.net>

Hi Joe,
	Don't know if you have ever been to Meier Hdw., but it's about the  
same as it must have been in the 1930's. Jack will probably go to the  
basement and return with a box full of assorted small pump leathers.  
You and he will then sort through the box until you find what you need!
	Dave
PS, There is also an outside chance that the price you pay will be  
written on a paper tag that was attached to the leather in 1937!
PPS, Good luck!



On Nov 11, 2008, at 11:06 AM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

> Thanks Dave,
> I'll give them a call.
> I never thought to try hardware stores.
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" -
>   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
>
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:39:34 -0500 David Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
> writes:
>> Hi Joe, I just called Meier Hdw in Export. They said that they
>> "probably have" the leather you need. Bring in the old one and they
>>
>> can match it. You can reach them at: 724.327.1905.
>>        Dave
>>
>>
>> --------
>> David Rotigel
>> rotigel at alltel.net
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:51 AM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Lew,
>>> As I said in a previous e-mail - Looks like I'm going to have to
>>
>>> give it
>>> a try.
>>> I have several scraps of leather hiding in a drawer.
>>>
>>> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>>> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>>>  ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>>>  \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" -
>>>  (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lew near Waco, TX
>>> On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:11:32 -0600 "Lew Best"
>>> <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
>>> writes:
>>>> Don't know about one that small but I made some for an old
>> forklift
>>>> hydraulic cylinder (about 3" diameter cylinder IIRC) with leather
>> I
>>>> got
>>>> at a saddle shop.  Cut it & then got it wet; formed it to shape
>> &
>>>> when
>>>> dry it held the shape well enough to work.
>>>>
>>>> Lew near Waco, TX
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> Hi List,
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone out there have any idea where to find the leather
>> cup
>>>> shaped
>>>> disks found in
>>>> the pump of an antique blow torch or antique plumbers stove?
>>>>
>>>> It is made of leather with an outside diameter of about 3/4" and
>> a
>>>> 3/16"
>>>> hole in the middle.
>>>> It is shaped like a cup with the sides approx 1/8" - 3/16" high.
>>>>
>>>> Also - I'm looking for the material that might be used in the
>> check
>>>> valve
>>>> to stop the air
>>>> from returning back through the pump.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas will be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>>>> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>>>>  ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>>>>  \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" -
>>>>  (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>> Criminal Lawyers - Click here.
>>>
>>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Nov 11 13:01:06 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:01:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20081111094025.0304f790@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <65B128024019406DB975ACCA73375269@tommyd0x52gkco>

At 2000 rpm's that little baby would be ready to fly!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Shulaw
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:42 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine

This is the info provided.

Single cylinder 4hp hopper-cooled german stationery engine. (4hp at 2000

revs per minute) 4 stroke petrol type with 2 flywheels. Exposed valve
gear. 
Type MA 608, engine N? 1238748. QX markings on both flywheels.

  http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/unknown.jpg



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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 13:57:38 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:57:38 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20081111094025.0304f790@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20081111094025.0304f790@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811111357s1e144021yd0bd3f84fac201bd@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/11/2008, Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
> This is the info provided.
>
> Single cylinder 4hp hopper-cooled german stationery engine. (4hp at 2000
> revs per minute) 4 stroke petrol type with 2 flywheels. Exposed valve gear.
> Type MA 608, engine N? 1238748. QX markings on both flywheels.
>

Sounds like a Deutz engine, they also made the MAH type as well, plus
there were lots of licencees throughout the world. There's a picture
of an MAH engine in our Nuenen report:

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2008/Nuenen109.htm

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 14:03:36 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:03:36 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811111357s1e144021yd0bd3f84fac201bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20081111094025.0304f790@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<6f6025160811111357s1e144021yd0bd3f84fac201bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811111403g36238a4av3bd07261c59f71f5@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/11/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/11/2008, Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
>> This is the info provided.
>>
>> Single cylinder 4hp hopper-cooled german stationery engine. (4hp at 2000
>> revs per minute) 4 stroke petrol type with 2 flywheels. Exposed valve
>> gear.
>> Type MA 608, engine N? 1238748. QX markings on both flywheels.
>>
>
> Sounds like a Deutz engine, they also made the MAH type as well, plus
> there were lots of licencees throughout the world. There's a picture
> of an MAH engine in our Nuenen report:
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2008/Nuenen109.htm
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
>

Here's a Sendling engine at Nuenen:

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2008/Nuenen114.htm

and another small Deutz:

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2008/Nuenen255.htm

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From bernie at mtcityrealty.com  Tue Nov 11 18:20:41 2008
From: bernie at mtcityrealty.com (bernie)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:20:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
In-Reply-To: <20081111.110709.300.5.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20081111.110709.300.5.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <491A3D79.7090101@mtcityrealty.com>

Do they have to be leather?  You might be able to get cups from brake 
cylinders that will fit, but they will be rubber.  There usually 
available from any napa store by diameter.

I do remember seeing the 3/4" leather ones somewhere but for the life of 
me cant remember where that was.

Bernie


From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 18:42:32 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:42:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
References: <20081111.110709.300.5.jlb94@juno.com>
	<491A3D79.7090101@mtcityrealty.com>
Message-ID: <000601c94470$5081ce80$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

> Do they have to be leather?  You might be able to get cups from brake 
> cylinders that will fit, but they will be rubber.  There usually 
> available from any napa store by diameter.


Styrene butadiene doesnt like  gasolene 
Nor  petroleum products at all . 
Those 3/4" cups will be 1 - 1/2 when you 
finally get them wrenched out of the hole . 

Chuck 



From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Nov 11 19:09:22 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:09:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
References: <20081111.110709.300.5.jlb94@juno.com><491A3D79.7090101@mtcityrealty.com>
	<000601c94470$5081ce80$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <D7949F1E05A848B9A5AE2FB39FF0E804@tommydk7hxjr4h>

While putting an O ring on a shaft once I accidentally dropped it in some 
lacquer thinner I had on the bench to clean a paint brush.  I looked for an 
hour for the O ring and finally gave up and went to town and purchased 
another one.  The next day I was pouring out the thinner and there was the O 
ring.  It was about 1/2 inch dia before it went in the thinner.  It was 
probably an inch and a half diameter when I pulled it out.  Real "rubbery" 
too!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




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From: "Chuck Balyeat" <kerogas at sbcglobal.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers


>> Do they have to be leather?  You might be able to get cups from brake
>> cylinders that will fit, but they will be rubber.  There usually
>> available from any napa store by diameter.
>
>
> Styrene butadiene doesnt like  gasolene
> Nor  petroleum products at all .
> Those 3/4" cups will be 1 - 1/2 when you
> finally get them wrenched out of the hole .
>
> Chuck
>
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 11 19:23:45 2008
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:23:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] United engine questions
Message-ID: <554766.93348.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

About a year and a half ago we went on a trip to get some Titan tractor parts in SK. We stopped for the night in Moose Jaw and I found an ad in a local paper for a hit and miss engine. It turned out to be a 1 3/4 hp hopper cooled United type A. 
I have owned a lot of engines, but this is my first United. Since it looks like it is going to be a long, long winter. I want to get it in the shop and restore it. I have several questions and am hoping that the folks on the list can enlighten me.
First, does anyone have a paint code, preferable Centauri?
Next, this engine has a mixer on it like an Associated. I have seen a few Uniteds, but they had Lunkenheimer mixers on them. Could the Associated mixer be correct, or is it a later addition?
Next, were Uniteds available with the same right angle gear drive mag as found on some Associateds? I have a mag that has been on my shelf for years and it fits the engine, I just wonder if they were originally sold that way.
Does anyone have any photos that they would share with me? This engine is missing the fuel tank and I need to build a cart for it, so a few photos would be a big help.
It has been quite a while since I restored an engine and I am really looking forward to this project. I hope to make it to Portland or Buckley this year, so I need something to take with me.....
Thanks in advance,
Joe

Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan


      


From george at irontrader.com  Tue Nov 11 19:48:24 2008
From: george at irontrader.com (George Best)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:48:24 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20081111094025.0304f790@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20081111094025.0304f790@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <000501c94479$8459f7b0$8d0de710$@com>

It is a Humboldt-Deutzmoteren AG engine, Type MA608.
Made between 1931 and 1954.
It weighs 85 kilogram.

Yours is a later engine as nbr 464803 is listed as 1937, so I'm just
guessing but would guess early 1950's.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:42 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine

This is the info provided.

Single cylinder 4hp hopper-cooled german stationery engine. (4hp at 2000 
revs per minute) 4 stroke petrol type with 2 flywheels. Exposed valve gear. 
Type MA 608, engine N? 1238748. QX markings on both flywheels.

  http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/unknown.jpg



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From george at irontrader.com  Tue Nov 11 19:50:47 2008
From: george at irontrader.com (George Best)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:50:47 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20081111093805.0304d8a0@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <20081110.115407.984.11.jlb94@juno.com>	<6.2.1.2.1.20081110222543.0304b810@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20081111093805.0304d8a0@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <000601c94479$d90e62a0$8b2b27e0$@com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O14b8h2Szj0

Above is a link to one of these engines being kick started.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:39 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine

Any ideas as to what this engine is?
http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/unknown.jpg



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From lfevans at pacbell.net  Tue Nov 11 19:59:44 2008
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:59:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] United engine questions
In-Reply-To: <554766.93348.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <554766.93348.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20081111195008.03f64d50@pop.att.yahoo.com>

Joe,

I have a type A air cooled 1-3/4 hp engine.  See some pictures here:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/united/index.html

I have higher resolution pictures available and if you want or need them 
contact me off list and I will be glad send them your way.  Also I have 
more than I put on the web page.

I have seen pictures of them with the angle mount magneto.

There seem to be 2 or 3 different mixers used.  As far as I know the one on 
my engine is original to it.  Some have the fuel tank in the base and some 
are external like mine.

Regards,
Larry



At 07:23 PM 11/11/2008, you wrote:
>About a year and a half ago we went on a trip to get some Titan tractor 
>parts in SK. We stopped for the night in Moose Jaw and I found an ad in a 
>local paper for a hit and miss engine. It turned out to be a 1 3/4 hp 
>hopper cooled United type A.
>I have owned a lot of engines, but this is my first United. Since it looks 
>like it is going to be a long, long winter. I want to get it in the shop 
>and restore it. I have several questions and am hoping that the folks on 
>the list can enlighten me.
>First, does anyone have a paint code, preferable Centauri?
>Next, this engine has a mixer on it like an Associated. I have seen a few 
>Uniteds, but they had Lunkenheimer mixers on them. Could the Associated 
>mixer be correct, or is it a later addition?
>Next, were Uniteds available with the same right angle gear drive mag as 
>found on some Associateds? I have a mag that has been on my shelf for 
>years and it fits the engine, I just wonder if they were originally sold 
>that way.
>Does anyone have any photos that they would share with me? This engine is 
>missing the fuel tank and I need to build a cart for it, so a few photos 
>would be a big help.
>It has been quite a while since I restored an engine and I am really 
>looking forward to this project. I hope to make it to Portland or Buckley 
>this year, so I need something to take with me.....
>Thanks in advance,
>Joe
>
>Joe Prindle
>Baraboo, WI USA
>"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike 
>Milligan
>
>
>
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Nov 12 04:23:03 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:23:03 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Japanese engine shows
Message-ID: <C956494E0D284503AFB88DE012CC86D1@PETER>

Hi all

Not sure if Bill San has shown you guys these links before of Japanese engine shows, you can spend hours here.
When it gets hot in Australia we hibernate, in the USA they get cabin fever in winter, have a look at this lot in the snow:
http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/2008suisyouM.html

You will get lost in here:
http://jh1ubk.my.coocan.jp/index.html

http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/hatudouki.html

http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/suisyou0210.html


There is no show or glitz at their engine shows, no paint or cleaning, you show as is. Take a look at some of the many videos and look at the smoke from running rich or worn rings.
They wear good clothes and gloves and some of the videos they all have white overalls on.
They place cardboard down to collect the oil, very environmentally friendly ;-)

I correspond with a chap in Japan who owns a 10hp R&V  "R" series Triumph Line engine, as well as a Reid and a nice National and others.
Thank goodness for Google Translator - Japanese to English and visa versa

Have fun or save for a rainy day.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm





From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Nov 12 04:27:57 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:27:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Japanese engine shows
Message-ID: <0C076B8930F84872A0640DD0F1F92C64@PETER>

Hi All
On my previous email.
Some of the video is slow to load so be patient.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm


From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Wed Nov 12 06:27:02 2008
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:27:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] United engine questions
References: <554766.93348.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002101c944d2$be4a2180$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Joe,  Don't know any answ. to your questions but good to see you back with 
the engine high society.   George
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:23 PM
Subject: [SEL] United engine questions


> About a year and a half ago we went on a trip to get some Titan tractor 
> parts in SK. We stopped for the night in Moose Jaw and I found an ad in a 
> local paper for a hit and miss engine. It turned out to be a 1 3/4 hp 
> hopper cooled United type A.
> I have owned a lot of engines, but this is my first United. Since it looks 
> like it is going to be a long, long winter. I want to get it in the shop 
> and restore it. I have several questions and am hoping that the folks on 
> the list can enlighten me.
> First, does anyone have a paint code, preferable Centauri?
> Next, this engine has a mixer on it like an Associated. I have seen a few 
> Uniteds, but they had Lunkenheimer mixers on them. Could the Associated 
> mixer be correct, or is it a later addition?
> Next, were Uniteds available with the same right angle gear drive mag as 
> found on some Associateds? I have a mag that has been on my shelf for 
> years and it fits the engine, I just wonder if they were originally sold 
> that way.
> Does anyone have any photos that they would share with me? This engine is 
> missing the fuel tank and I need to build a cart for it, so a few photos 
> would be a big help.
> It has been quite a while since I restored an engine and I am really 
> looking forward to this project. I hope to make it to Portland or Buckley 
> this year, so I need something to take with me.....
> Thanks in advance,
> Joe
>
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike 
> Milligan
>
>
>
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>
> 





From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Nov 12 07:41:53 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:41:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Japanese engine shows
In-Reply-To: <C956494E0D284503AFB88DE012CC86D1@PETER>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEAHHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

I think I'm gonna save those links!  Something to do on those long, cold Florida days (below 70 degrees F)!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Peter Lowe
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 06:23 AM
> To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Japanese engine shows
> 
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Not sure if Bill San has shown you guys these 
> links before of Japanese engine shows, you can 
> spend hours here.
> When it gets hot in Australia we hibernate, in 
> the USA they get cabin fever in winter, have a 
> look at this lot in the snow:
> http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/2008suisyouM.html
> 
> You will get lost in here:
> http://jh1ubk.my.coocan.jp/index.html
> 
> http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/hatudouki.html
> 
> http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/suisyou0210.html 
........................snip......................




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Nov 12 07:00:18 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:00:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
In-Reply-To: <20081111.110709.300.5.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20081111.110709.300.5.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <1226502018.491aef82eef45@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey Joe, Meier's Hdw. ain't just a "hardware store."

Its a HARDWARE STORE.  When Fat Jack ran the place he sat on a stool in the
middle of the store (all 400 pounds of him), surrounded by a pile of cig butts.
 You walked up to Fat Jack and told him what you needed.  On rare occasions he
asked you a clarification question.  He then gave you directions to some nook
or cranny in the store where you would find EXACTLY what you needed.  And I
don't give a rat's ass WHAT you needed.  Meier's had it.  Even including old
dried rat's asses.  (The trap would be thrown in at no extra cost.)

Another equally good old store is Jackson's Hardware on Universal Road in Penn
Hills.  Just ask Jim & Dolly about THAT place!!

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting jlb94 at juno.com:

> Thanks Dave, 
> I'll give them a call.
> I never thought to try hardware stores.
> 
>  Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Nov 12 07:09:43 2008
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:09:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
In-Reply-To: <20081111.110709.300.5.jlb94@juno.com><491A3D79.7090101@mtcityrealty.com>
	<000601c94470$5081ce80$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
References: <20081111.110709.300.5.jlb94@juno.com><491A3D79.7090101@mtcityrealty.com>
	<000601c94470$5081ce80$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS68EDDBD7FB1618235966FBB140@phx.gbl>

If the checkvalve is working properly the rubber cup will never touch the 
gas.  Might give this one a try.

Rick




> > Do they have to be leather?  You might be able to get cups from brake
> > cylinders that will fit, but they will be rubber.  There usually
> > available from any napa store by diameter.
>
>
> Styrene butadiene doesnt like  gasolene
> Nor  petroleum products at all .
> Those 3/4" cups will be 1 - 1/2 when you
> finally get them wrenched out of the hole . 



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 12 07:27:06 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:27:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Japanese engine shows
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEAHHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <564880.45896.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I just watched the engine show in the snow video.
It is a long one wirh all the right sounds.
I wanted to be there so bad it hurt.
I need to get out to my engine shed and tear that ignitor apart so 
I can order some new mica.
My Nelsons Brothers built MacLeod with the Webster and ignitor plug 
has it's points just barely touching.
Adding some Mica washers will line them up nice.

Alan in Michigan


--- On Wed, 11/12/08, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:

> From: Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Japanese engine shows
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 10:41 AM
> Peter:
> 
> I think I'm gonna save those links!  Something to do on
> those long, cold Florida days (below 70 degrees F)!
> 
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >  Behalf Of Peter Lowe
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 06:23 AM
> > To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
> > Subject: [SEL] Japanese engine shows
> > 
> > 
> > Hi all
> > 
> > Not sure if Bill San has shown you guys these 
> > links before of Japanese engine shows, you can 
> > spend hours here.
> > When it gets hot in Australia we hibernate, in 
> > the USA they get cabin fever in winter, have a 
> > look at this lot in the snow:
> >
> http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/2008suisyouM.html
> > 
> > You will get lost in here:
> > http://jh1ubk.my.coocan.jp/index.html
> > 
> >
> http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/hatudouki.html
> > 
> >
> http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/suisyou0210.html 
> ........................snip......................
> 
> 
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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 12 07:38:48 2008
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:38:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Japanese engine shows
In-Reply-To: <564880.45896.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEAHHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<564880.45896.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY120-W6B0C99BB5FE6334D22D65C2140@phx.gbl>


Looks like most of their engines are enclosed crankcase engines although I did see a couple american engines and one Superior oilfield engine
 
Guess I never realised that they had engine shows in Japan> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:27:06 -0800> From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Japanese engine shows> > I just watched the engine show in the snow video.> It is a long one wirh all the right sounds.> I wanted to be there so bad it hurt.> I need to get out to my engine shed and tear that ignitor apart so > I can order some new mica.> My Nelsons Brothers built MacLeod with the Webster and ignitor plug > has it's points just barely touching.> Adding some Mica washers will line them up nice.> > Alan in Michigan> > > --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:> > > From: Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Japanese engine shows> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>> > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 10:41 AM> > Peter:> > > > I think I'm gonna save those links! Something to do on> > those long, cold Florida days (below 70 degrees F)!> > > > Take care - Elden> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On> > > Behalf Of Peter Lowe> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 06:23 AM> > > To: ATIS; Oldengine.org> > > Subject: [SEL] Japanese engine shows> > > > > > > > > Hi all> > > > > > Not sure if Bill San has shown you guys these > > > links before of Japanese engine shows, you can > > > spend hours here.> > > When it gets hot in Australia we hibernate, in > > > the USA they get cabin fever in winter, have a > > > look at this lot in the snow:> > >> > http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/2008suisyouM.html> > > > > > You will get lost in here:> > > http://jh1ubk.my.coocan.jp/index.html> > > > > >> > http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/hatudouki.html> > > > > >> > http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/suisyou0210.html > > ........................snip......................> > > > > > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Nov 12 07:45:59 2008
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:45:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
Message-ID: <20081112.113453.600.3.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Bernie,
There's an idea I haven't thought of.
And - I probably have several of them hiding in the garage somewhere.
Thanks,

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:20:41 -0500 bernie <bernie at mtcityrealty.com>
writes:
> Do they have to be leather?  You might be able to get cups from brake 
> 
> cylinders that will fit, but they will be rubber.  There usually 
> available from any napa store by diameter.
> 
> I do remember seeing the 3/4" leather ones somewhere but for the 
> life of 
> me cant remember where that was.
> 
> Bernie
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 10:42:21 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:42:21 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Wanted: Pair of old Panel Meters for a Searchlight Generator
Message-ID: <6f6025160811121042rf5c9ab8r56bf5bbb8237a66c@mail.gmail.com>

We got the old Petter PU8 genny engine running today, had to change
the magneto as the original had been got at and reassembled with the
timing wrong :-((

It runs OK, lots of smoke and rust out of the silencer on start-up,
but for a 1940's flat twin air-cooled engine, it ran quite well. We
had oiled the bores etc when we had the heads off to free off the
valves, so a bit of smoke was expected.

The dynamo produced 120V and was controllable with the field rheostat,
but the two panel meters are completely shot due to water getting
inside the casings.

So we are looking for a 0-150V Moving Coil DC voltmeter and a 0-50A
Moving Coil DC ammeter, body diameter 3.50" mounting flange 4.25"
(round)

If anyone knows of anything suitable, please give me a shout, good
price paid plus postage.

Peter
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Nov 12 10:53:33 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:53:33 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1226509202.2962.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081112204540.00c10c60@mail.cyberserv.co.za>


>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark
>Shulaw
>Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:42 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine
>
>This is the info provided.
>
>Single cylinder 4hp hopper-cooled german stationery engine. (4hp at 2000
>
>revs per minute) 4 stroke petrol type with 2 flywheels. Exposed valve
>gear.
>Type MA 608, engine N? 1238748. QX markings on both flywheels.
>
>   http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/unknown.jpg
>
>Mark & Christine Shulaw
>454 Co. Rd. 33
>Bluffton, Ohio 45817
>Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>Home #419.358.5206

Hi Mark,
         I missed your original post on this engine.

         There is a Service manual (31 pages - 1432 Kbytes - .pdf) and a 
parts list (53 pages - 1898 Kbytes - .pdf) on my download page here: (I 
just hope that you can understand German)

<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/>

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Nov 12 11:44:17 2008
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:44:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Dark green paint
Message-ID: <20081112.114418.1152.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
A couple of weeks ago someone was looking for a dark green paint in a
rattle can that was darker than Hunter Green.  I knew that I had used a
Dark Hunter Green in Rust-oleum, but could not find the can or find it on
the Rust-oleum web site.  Well today I found the can, #7733 Dark Hunter
Green.  I painted a FM with it and it looks good.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Nov 12 15:16:21 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:16:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wanted: Pair of old Panel Meters for a Searchlight
	Generator
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811121042rf5c9ab8r56bf5bbb8237a66c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEAOHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

I most likely had what you need about three or four years ago.  I got rid of several boxes of analog meters of various types.  Sorry.

I think that, during WWII, Weston, Westinghouse and Burlington made the most often used meters.  Unfortunately, they've fallen by the wayside.

I did look on the Web and found that what they call a 3-1/2" meter is actually 3-1/2" at the flange and that's as big as the round ones get.  Here's a Simpson Electric data page for the round meters:
http://www.simpsonelectric.com/uploads/File/datasheets/round_datasheet.pdf

Rectangular meters fit a 2.75" hole in the panel and have a 4.66" front (flange).  These would probably fit the panel with a bit of drilling for the mounting holes.  Here's another data page for the rectangular meters:
http://www.simpsonelectric.com/uploads/File/datasheets/rectangular_datasheet.pdf
Model 29 0-150 DC Volt is a number 07720
Model 29 0-50 DC Amperes is a number 00540

Hoyt made meters of that era.  Here's a sheet with their analog meters.   (Note: Hoyt meters are not connected with the famous Hoyt-Clagwell Tractor Company).
http://www.weschler.com/_upload/catalog/69e.pdf

Here's a listing of old meters.  Didn't have the patience to go through it:
http://www.oldradioparts.com/2a20fl.txt

There are some Chinese analog meters that may fit the panel but they have Chinese characters as well as European so wouldn't look right in the vintage stuff.

Good luck!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:42 PM
> To: Stationary-Engine
> Cc: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Wanted: Pair of old Panel Meters 
> for a Searchlight
> Generator
> 
> 
> We got the old Petter PU8 genny engine running 
> today, had to change
> the magneto as the original had been got at and 
> reassembled with the
> timing wrong :-((
> 
> It runs OK, lots of smoke and rust out of the 
> silencer on start-up,
> but for a 1940's flat twin air-cooled engine, it 
> ran quite well. We
> had oiled the bores etc when we had the heads off 
> to free off the
> valves, so a bit of smoke was expected.
> 
> The dynamo produced 120V and was controllable 
> with the field rheostat,
> but the two panel meters are completely shot due 
> to water getting
> inside the casings.
> 
> So we are looking for a 0-150V Moving Coil DC 
> voltmeter and a 0-50A
> Moving Coil DC ammeter, body diameter 3.50" 
> mounting flange 4.25"
> (round)
> 
> If anyone knows of anything suitable, please give 
> me a shout, good
> price paid plus postage.
> 
> Peter




From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Wed Nov 12 16:12:29 2008
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:12:29 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Patina on brass
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20081110191533.03047d90@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <20081110213300.6B8D44C8E00@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20081110191533.03047d90@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <E11E45C3B8EB41B78EF671503689D068@JackPC>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Patina on brass

Hi Mark
Just park it overnight near my 1926 Clyno - By the time I had finished 
polishing the brassware on her last Saturday in preparation for a Display 
Day on Sunday, the first item I'd polished already had that patina.

JW?
=== 




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Nov 12 17:19:50 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:19:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Japanese engine shows now mica washers
References: <564880.45896.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <22AD9E9A7CF246CF9AF6A8E67AEB7147@PETER>

Hi Alan

While I was in South Dakota in 2003, there were large deposits of mica just 
sitting on the ground.
I placed some in my camera bag and got past customs in Australia. I made new 
washers for my Wizard Mag from real live Yankee mica.
Worked a treat.

Peter, Oz




>I just watched the engine show in the snow video.
> It is a long one wirh all the right sounds.
> I wanted to be there so bad it hurt.
> I need to get out to my engine shed and tear that ignitor apart so
> I can order some new mica.
> My Nelsons Brothers built MacLeod with the Webster and ignitor plug
> has it's points just barely touching.
> Adding some Mica washers will line them up nice.
>
> Alan in Michigan
tinfo/sel 



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Nov 12 17:46:43 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:46:43 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fm serial #
Message-ID: <20081113014642.AABF465B44F@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi, I know this is repetitious, but who maintains the pre 1910 Fairbanks
Morse serial # list ? Is it Dennis R. up in Ca?I'd like to pass it on to a
guy that would like to date an 5 digit "T".Thanks in advance,Jimmy

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Nov 12 18:15:45 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:15:45 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fm serial #
In-Reply-To: <20081113014642.AABF465B44F@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20081113014642.AABF465B44F@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <2104076E-F3F2-420E-A64B-D93EBE89FE1E@rustyiron.com>


On Nov 12, 2008, at 5:46 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:

> Hi, I know this is repetitious, but who maintains the pre 1910  
> Fairbanks
> Morse serial # list ? Is it Dennis R. up in Ca?I'd like to pass it  
> on to a
> guy that would like to date an 5 digit "T".Thanks in advance,Jimmy
>

Denis Rouleau
denis.rouleau at videotron.ca












From lfevans at pacbell.net  Wed Nov 12 18:23:55 2008
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:23:55 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fm serial #
In-Reply-To: <20081113014642.AABF465B44F@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20081113014642.AABF465B44F@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20081112182153.031f3138@pop.att.yahoo.com>

Jim,

You're right, it is Denis Rouleau that did a bunch of research on pre 1911 
Fairbanks Morse engine dates.  See his results at:
http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/fairbanks/page110.html

Larry Evans

At 05:46 PM 11/12/2008, you wrote:
>Hi, I know this is repetitious, but who maintains the pre 1910 Fairbanks
>Morse serial # list ? Is it Dennis R. up in Ca?I'd like to pass it on to a
>guy that would like to date an 5 digit "T".Thanks in advance,Jimmy
>
>
>
>Jim O'Hagan
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Nov 12 18:52:18 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:52:18 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks #'s
Message-ID: <20081113025221.3E0E5444839@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Thanks again for your help. It will make his day. Jimmy

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 12 19:55:23 2008
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:55:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] United engine questions
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20081111195008.03f64d50@pop.att.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <644434.18595.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the reply and the photos, Larry. The mixer on your engine is identical to mine, including the valve for priming. I had feared that it was a "non-oem" modification.
My ignitor has the earlier style trip finger on it, and I guess I will install the magneto. I always liked the looks of those mags.
I am interested in your fuel tank. Do you think it is original, and could you give me the dimensions for it? 
Sometimes when I see old repairs, like the one on your governor detent, it really makes me wonder just how they managed to break it like that. I have a little Gilson air cooled that is busted up worse than your United. Mine even has cracks in both flywheel hubs where they drove the keys in too hard. I hope to start fixing it up when I get done with the United.
Thanks again,
Joe
Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan


--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Larry Evans <lfevans at pacbell.net> wrote:

> From: Larry Evans <lfevans at pacbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] United engine questions
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 9:59 PM
> Joe,
> 
> I have a type A air cooled 1-3/4 hp engine.  See some
> pictures here:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/united/index.html
> 
> I have higher resolution pictures available and if you want
> or need them 
> contact me off list and I will be glad send them your way. 
> Also I have 
> more than I put on the web page.
> 
> I have seen pictures of them with the angle mount magneto.
> 
> There seem to be 2 or 3 different mixers used.  As far as I
> know the one on 
> my engine is original to it.  Some have the fuel tank in
> the base and some 
> are external like mine.
> 
> Regards,
> Larry



      


From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 12 19:59:10 2008
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:59:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] United engine questions
In-Reply-To: <002101c944d2$be4a2180$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>
Message-ID: <810288.34292.qm@web31506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the kind words, George. I have been reading the list for a long time, but rarely take the time to post since the posts are usually old and someone else has already said it better than I could, or at least briefer.....
And this IS where a lot of the high society of the engine world hangs out. The best part of the list is the links that people post to things that they have seen or done.
How are you folks coming on your Fairbanks project?
Thanks,
Joe
Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan


--- On Wed, 11/12/08, armstrong <gnarmstrong at netnitco.net> wrote:

> From: armstrong <gnarmstrong at netnitco.net>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] United engine questions
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 8:27 AM
> Joe,  Don't know any answ. to your questions but good to
> see you back with 
> the engine high society.   George
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Prindle"
> <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:23 PM
> Subject: [SEL] United engine questions
> 
> 
> > About a year and a half ago we went on a trip to get
> some Titan tractor 
> > parts in SK. We stopped for the night in Moose Jaw and
> I found an ad in a 
> > local paper for a hit and miss engine. It turned out
> to be a 1 3/4 hp 
> > hopper cooled United type A.
> > I have owned a lot of engines, but this is my first
> United. Since it looks 
> > like it is going to be a long, long winter. I want to
> get it in the shop 
> > and restore it. I have several questions and am hoping
> that the folks on 
> > the list can enlighten me.
> > First, does anyone have a paint code, preferable
> Centauri?
> > Next, this engine has a mixer on it like an
> Associated. I have seen a few 
> > Uniteds, but they had Lunkenheimer mixers on them.
> Could the Associated 
> > mixer be correct, or is it a later addition?
> > Next, were Uniteds available with the same right angle
> gear drive mag as 
> > found on some Associateds? I have a mag that has been
> on my shelf for 
> > years and it fits the engine, I just wonder if they
> were originally sold 
> > that way.
> > Does anyone have any photos that they would share with
> me? This engine is 
> > missing the fuel tank and I need to build a cart for
> it, so a few photos 
> > would be a big help.
> > It has been quite a while since I restored an engine
> and I am really 
> > looking forward to this project. I hope to make it to
> Portland or Buckley 
> > this year, so I need something to take with me.....
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Joe
> >
> > Joe Prindle
> > Baraboo, WI USA
> > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money
> can't make me happy." Spike 
> > Milligan
> >
> >
> >
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> > 
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Nov 12 20:01:46 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:01:46 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Wanted: Pair of old Panel Meters for a
	SearchlightGenerator
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEAOHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <E7727AF1B13C4FE19B22A05E3328F64A@PETER>

Hi Elden

They turn up on Ebay from time to time:
Type in "Old Panel Meters", "old volt meters", "old ammeters."  etc
http://cgi.ebay.com/4-OLD-VINTAGE-PANEL-METERS-VERY-ODD-ONES-TESTED_W0QQitemZ400005129707QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item400005129707&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-Weston-Volts-D-C-Meter-Model-301_W0QQitemZ370112389598QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item370112389598&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-Simpson-Electric-Volt-Alternating-Current-Meter_W0QQitemZ180306215370QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item180306215370&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



> Peter:
>
> I most likely had what you need about three or four years ago.  I got rid 
> of several boxes of analog meters of various types.  Sorry.
>
> I think that, during WWII, Weston, Westinghouse and Burlington made the 
> most often used meters.  Unfortunately, they've fallen by the wayside.
>
> I did look on the Web and found that what they call a 3-1/2" meter is 
> actually 3-1/2" at the flange and that's as big as the round ones get. 
> Here's a Simpson Electric data page for the round meters:
> http://www.simpsonelectric.com/uploads/File/datasheets/round_datasheet.pdf
>
> Rectangular meters fit a 2.75" hole in the panel and have a 4.66" front 
> (flange).  These would probably fit the panel with a bit of drilling for 
> the mounting holes.  Here's another data page for the rectangular meters:
> http://www.simpsonelectric.com/uploads/File/datasheets/rectangular_datasheet.pdf
> Model 29 0-150 DC Volt is a number 07720
> Model 29 0-50 DC Amperes is a number 00540
>
> Hoyt made meters of that era.  Here's a sheet with their analog meters. 
> (Note: Hoyt meters are not connected with the famous Hoyt-Clagwell Tractor 
> Company).
> http://www.weschler.com/_upload/catalog/69e.pdf
>
> Here's a listing of old meters.  Didn't have the patience to go through 
> it:
> http://www.oldradioparts.com/2a20fl.txt
>
> There are some Chinese analog meters that may fit the panel but they have 
> Chinese characters as well as European so wouldn't look right in the 
> vintage stuff.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of
>> Listerdiesel
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:42 PM
>> To: Stationary-Engine
>> Cc: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] Wanted: Pair of old Panel Meters
>> for a Searchlight
>> Generator
>>
>>
>> We got the old Petter PU8 genny engine running
>> today, had to change
>> the magneto as the original had been got at and
>> reassembled with the
>> timing wrong :-((
>>
>> It runs OK, lots of smoke and rust out of the
>> silencer on start-up,
>> but for a 1940's flat twin air-cooled engine, it
>> ran quite well. We
>> had oiled the bores etc when we had the heads off
>> to free off the
>> valves, so a bit of smoke was expected.
>>
>> The dynamo produced 120V and was controllable
>> with the field rheostat,
>> but the two panel meters are completely shot due
>> to water getting
>> inside the casings.
>>
>> So we are looking for a 0-150V Moving Coil DC
>> voltmeter and a 0-50A
>> Moving Coil DC ammeter, body diameter 3.50"
>> mounting flange 4.25"
>> (round)
>>
>> If anyone knows of anything suitable, please give
>> me a shout, good
>> price paid plus postage.
>>
>> Peter
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Nov 12 21:31:37 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:31:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] United engine questions
In-Reply-To: <554766.93348.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <554766.93348.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1226554297.491bbbb97d2ab@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Joe,

I think "United" was a marketing brand for Associated engines.
You really need to get a copy of "AMANCO ENGINES The Story of Associated
Manufacturers' Company Ltd." by David Edgington.  It's an excellent reference
for the Associated / United engine owner.
http://www.stationaryenginebooks.co.uk/amanco.htm

Send me your snail off list and I'll copy some interesting old United literature
that may be useful to you.  There's also a bloke who's doing a United engine
register.  I don't know if he's still on the list.  I have his contact info at
home.

I've got a 3-1/2 hp United Type A throttle-governed kero burner.  It's still in
the "project" category.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Joe Prindle <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>:

> About a year and a half ago we went on a trip to get some Titan tractor parts
> in SK. We stopped for the night in Moose Jaw and I found an ad in a local
> paper for a hit and miss engine. It turned out to be a 1 3/4 hp hopper cooled
> United type A. 
> I have owned a lot of engines, but this is my first United. Since it looks
> like it is going to be a long, long winter. I want to get it in the shop and
> restore it. I have several questions and am hoping that the folks on the list
> can enlighten me.
> First, does anyone have a paint code, preferable Centauri?
> Next, this engine has a mixer on it like an Associated. I have seen a few
> Uniteds, but they had Lunkenheimer mixers on them. Could the Associated mixer
> be correct, or is it a later addition?
> Next, were Uniteds available with the same right angle gear drive mag as
> found on some Associateds? I have a mag that has been on my shelf for years
> and it fits the engine, I just wonder if they were originally sold that way.
> Does anyone have any photos that they would share with me? This engine is
> missing the fuel tank and I need to build a cart for it, so a few photos
> would be a big help.
> It has been quite a while since I restored an engine and I am really looking
> forward to this project. I hope to make it to Portland or Buckley this year,
> so I need something to take with me.....




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Nov 13 05:18:45 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:18:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
In-Reply-To: <200811121320.mACDKlcf001170@bnb.blue.net>
Message-ID: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>

Folks, to keep this on topic of old iron, I'll first tell you that the
location I'm going to mention is where we have held engine shows in the
past (many years ago).  The property is now in the hands of the National
Park Service.  It's in line to receive funding from Hampton Inns for
restoration.  If you could take the time to click on the link and place
a vote for the Lincoln Knob Creek Cabin (the first "Landmark" listed) I
would appreciate it.  Thanks!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


http://www.hamptonlandmarks.com/VoteLandMarkResults.aspx?state=17&staten
ame=
Kentucky




From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Thu Nov 13 05:47:49 2008
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:47:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
References: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <001801c94596$6e0e6d60$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Done
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:18 AM
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)


> Folks, to keep this on topic of old iron, I'll first tell you that the
> location I'm going to mention is where we have held engine shows in the
> past (many years ago).  The property is now in the hands of the National
> Park Service.  It's in line to receive funding from Hampton Inns for
> restoration.  If you could take the time to click on the link and place
> a vote for the Lincoln Knob Creek Cabin (the first "Landmark" listed) I
> would appreciate it.  Thanks!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> http://www.hamptonlandmarks.com/VoteLandMarkResults.aspx?state=17&staten
> ame=
> Kentucky
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
>




From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Nov 13 06:57:19 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:57:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wanted: Pair of old Panel Meters for aSearchlightGenerator
In-Reply-To: <E7727AF1B13C4FE19B22A05E3328F64A@PETER>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEBJHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter from OZ (So as to differentiate between you and the Limey Peter):

I think the problem with replacing the meters on the searchlight generator is that the meters on the generator are actually 4-1/4" in diameter at the face flange.

> So we are looking for a 0-150V Moving Coil DC 
> voltmeter and a 0-50A
> Moving Coil DC ammeter, body diameter 3.50" 
> mounting flange 4.25"
> (round)

That 4-1/4" dimension is going to be the hard one to match.

If Limey Pete can let us know the brand of the meters, maybe a better search can be mounted.

If the old meters still look good (face printing intact), I think there are outfits that restore D'arvsonval meters.  In fact, I've repaired a couple of meters that had bad coils by swapping the guts from an electrically identical meter, even removing the pointer from the old meter and cementing it on the new movement.  Some tweaking of the face plate mounting holes and re-balancing had to be done to keep the meter zero constant regardless of positioning but they worked fine.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Peter Lowe
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:02 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Wanted: Pair of old Panel Meters for
> aSearchlightGenerator
> 
> 
> Hi Elden
> 
> They turn up on Ebay from time to time:
> Type in "Old Panel Meters", "old volt meters", 
> "old ammeters."  etc
> http://cgi.ebay.com/4-OLD-VINTAGE-PANEL-METERS-VER
> Y-ODD-ONES-TESTED_W0QQitemZ400005129707QQcmdZViewI
> temQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item400005129707&_
> trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7
> C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-Weston-Volts-D-C-Meter-Mod
> el-301_W0QQitemZ370112389598QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_
> DefaultDomain_0?hash=item370112389598&_trksid=p328
> 6.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C
> 39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-Simpson-Electric-Volt-Alte
> rnating-Current-Meter_W0QQitemZ180306215370QQcmdZV
> iewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1803062153
> 70&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3
> A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
> 
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/
> rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/
> rv-register.htm




From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 13 06:05:36 2008
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:05:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
In-Reply-To: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <003501c94598$ea1c0460$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>

You got it Tommy 

Lew near Waco, TX

-----Original Message-----
 Folks, to keep this on topic of old iron, I'll first tell you that the
location I'm going to mention is where we have held engine shows in the
past (many years ago).  The property is now in the hands of the National
Park Service.  It's in line to receive funding from Hampton Inns for
restoration.  If you could take the time to click on the link and place
a vote for the Lincoln Knob Creek Cabin (the first "Landmark" listed) I
would appreciate it.  Thanks!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


http://www.hamptonlandmarks.com/VoteLandMarkResults.aspx?state=17&staten
ame=
Kentucky






From wayne at lorenssanitation.com  Thu Nov 13 07:43:44 2008
From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:43:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
In-Reply-To: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <200811121320.mACDKlcf001170@bnb.blue.net>
	<E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <72E9097533254324A1C526BD071066AA@Waynexp>

Tommy,

I feel like I'm stuffing the ballot box.......hope my vote puts you over the
top!

Wayne A Thackery
Keizer, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Turner
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:19 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)

Folks, to keep this on topic of old iron, I'll first tell you that the
location I'm going to mention is where we have held engine shows in the
past (many years ago).  The property is now in the hands of the National
Park Service.  It's in line to receive funding from Hampton Inns for
restoration.  If you could take the time to click on the link and place
a vote for the Lincoln Knob Creek Cabin (the first "Landmark" listed) I
would appreciate it.  Thanks!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


http://www.hamptonlandmarks.com/VoteLandMarkResults.aspx?state=17&staten
ame=
Kentucky


_______________________________________________
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From lfevans at pacbell.net  Thu Nov 13 09:18:44 2008
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:18:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] United engine questions
In-Reply-To: <644434.18595.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <6.0.1.1.2.20081111195008.03f64d50@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<644434.18595.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20081113090905.03b52ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com>

Joe,

I'll get back to you with size information about the fuel tank.  As far as 
I know it was the original tank.  Since it was rather crudely drilled and 
tapped at first I thought the priming valve was an owner modification but 
now I am convinced that it is original due to the number of pictures I have 
seen, all with identical design valves.

Regards,
Larry

At 07:55 PM 11/12/2008, you wrote:
>Thanks for the reply and the photos, Larry. The mixer on your engine is 
>identical to mine, including the valve for priming. I had feared that it 
>was a "non-oem" modification.
>My ignitor has the earlier style trip finger on it, and I guess I will 
>install the magneto. I always liked the looks of those mags.
>I am interested in your fuel tank. Do you think it is original, and could 
>you give me the dimensions for it?
>Sometimes when I see old repairs, like the one on your governor detent, it 
>really makes me wonder just how they managed to break it like that. I have 
>a little Gilson air cooled that is busted up worse than your United. Mine 
>even has cracks in both flywheel hubs where they drove the keys in too 
>hard. I hope to start fixing it up when I get done with the United.
>Thanks again,
>Joe
>Joe Prindle
>Baraboo, WI USA
>"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike 
>Milligan
>
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Larry Evans
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Nov 13 12:52:49 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:52:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
References: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <6F5C3FEEA00746058328ACA26F611ECA@PETER>

I just placed 50 votes, no time right now to do any more.

Peter, Oz


> Folks, to keep this on topic of old iron, I'll first tell you that the
> location I'm going to mention is where we have held engine shows in the
> past (many years ago).  The property is now in the hands of the National
> Park Service.  It's in line to receive funding from Hampton Inns for
> restoration.  If you could take the time to click on the link and place
> a vote for the Lincoln Knob Creek Cabin (the first "Landmark" listed) I
> would appreciate it.  Thanks!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> http://www.hamptonlandmarks.com/VoteLandMarkResults.aspx?state=17&staten
> ame=
> Kentucky
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Nov 13 13:37:20 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:37:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
In-Reply-To: <6F5C3FEEA00746058328ACA26F611ECA@PETER>
References: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<6F5C3FEEA00746058328ACA26F611ECA@PETER>
Message-ID: <2F3B433B-B97C-4FB5-B023-4F95C33526B1@alltel.net>

I, also, noticed that you could vote more than once. This must be a  
Democrat/Acorn sort of registration!
	Dave
PS, Leave it to Tommy!


--------
David Rotigel
rotigel at alltel.net



On Nov 13, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> I just placed 50 votes, no time right now to do any more.
>
> Peter, Oz
>
>
>> Folks, to keep this on topic of old iron, I'll first tell you that  
>> the
>> location I'm going to mention is where we have held engine shows in  
>> the
>> past (many years ago).  The property is now in the hands of the  
>> National
>> Park Service.  It's in line to receive funding from Hampton Inns for
>> restoration.  If you could take the time to click on the link and  
>> place
>> a vote for the Lincoln Knob Creek Cabin (the first "Landmark"  
>> listed) I
>> would appreciate it.  Thanks!
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>> http://www.hamptonlandmarks.com/VoteLandMarkResults.aspx?state=17&staten
>> ame=
>> Kentucky
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Nov 13 13:43:17 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:43:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
In-Reply-To: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <1226612597.491c9f75af4f8@webmail.city-net.com>

Hmmmmm, no voting choices for those pretenders from the Carolina's...

I guess they finally stopped trying to hijack Lincoln from the great state of
Kentucky.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:

> If you could take the time to click on the link and place
> a vote for the Lincoln Knob Creek Cabin (the first "Landmark" listed) I
> would appreciate it.  Thanks!
> 
>
http://www.hamptonlandmarks.com/VoteLandMarkResults.aspx?state=17&statename=Kentucky




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 13:45:39 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:45:39 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Wanted: Pair of old Panel Meters for aSearchlightGenerator
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEBJHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <E7727AF1B13C4FE19B22A05E3328F64A@PETER>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEBJHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811131345r5321652ey86b1e96eed97c19c@mail.gmail.com>



On 13/11/2008, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Peter from OZ (So as to differentiate between you and the Limey Peter):

Elden & Pete & others:

We have had an enormous amount of feedback from folks, not just on the engine lists but from other sources that we have asked, in the UK and overseas.

The control panel is here:

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/PetterData/PU817.htm
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/PetterData/PU811.htm

The whole menu page for the PU8 genny is here:

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/PetterData/PetterPU8Menu1.htm

The water that got into the meters was above the level of both movements, and the aluminium parts of one, including the actual meter needle has corroded away. The ammeter is slightly better, but only just. We may be able to clean it in an untrasonic cleaner, but my feeling is that it is going to be scrap. We have salvaged both cases, glasses and scales, although the scales will need refurbishing or scanning and then repainting/reprinting.

Yes, we would love to be able to keep it looking original, so we are not going to fit a pair of DIN meters! but practicalities mean that we have to accept a little bit og a change if we are to get it running with all metering working.

We have had two very good offers, one from the USA and one from the UK. We have replied to both and will wait and see what turns up. All costs would be met in any case, but it's more a problem of finding something than paying for it!

The rest of the gear is pretty bullet-proof, all big heavy switches and controls. The greasers for the dynamo bearings were clean as a whistle with no signs of any grease, so we have filled them twice and screwed down to get the grease through the bearings.

The fuel pipes are rotten under the braided exterior and the oil pressure indicator button leaks oil, but it runs and most of the issues are relatively minor. Modern materials like PTFE for the fuel tap seals and neoprene for fuel hoses make life a LOT easier! 
 
More soon,

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 13:48:01 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:48:01 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
In-Reply-To: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <200811121320.mACDKlcf001170@bnb.blue.net>
	<E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811131348k49de12dcm6225878586d55995@mail.gmail.com>

On 13/11/2008, Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:

All done, Tommy.

My first vote in the USA!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Nov 13 14:11:15 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:11:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811131348k49de12dcm6225878586d55995@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811121320.mACDKlcf001170@bnb.blue.net>
	<E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<6f6025160811131348k49de12dcm6225878586d55995@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C0173962-247A-47DB-B908-A664574A7DD1@alltel.net>


> On 13/11/2008, Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:
> All done, Tommy.
> My first vote in the USA!
> Peter

Peter, Did Acorn register you?
	Dave


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Nov 13 14:13:23 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:13:23 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Walking beam Alamo
Message-ID: <20081113221322.851AD65B445@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

I have a chance to buy ,what we be leave to be an old Alamo engine..I'll get
some measurements so we can determine the HP. `'It looks like the one on
page 16 in the Wendle A.G.E. book[lower right corner]. If some one had any
pictures or paper on those engines I would love a copy. It's a "Bones"
engine missing a bunch, but more complete than some others that I have seen
saved. It has  a crescent shaped weight that pivots on a bolt in one of the
spokes of the flywheel that acts as the govnr. ,No bolt hub on flywheel,
walking beam rocker arm,  valve chest cast to side of head, intake on top,
exhaust under the chest, both missing. The missing ignitor bolts
horizontally to the same chest.I don't have a scanner, but will try to take
a digital picture of the one photograph that I have and pass it on if some
one would like a picture.   Thank you, Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Nov 13 14:22:24 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:22:24 +0200
Subject: [SEL] "Vincent Industrial Power" Engine.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081113222224.00c46a58@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         I've been a bit quiet on the lists laltely. I hope you are all well.

          I went on an engine hunt 3 weeks ago with a few friends. We 
brought some nice stuff back (webpage will follow one of these days!).

         The one I want to discuss does not fall under the "nice stuff 
category" for these 2 lists anyway. It is not a "hit 'n miss" engine - it 
is not even a very old engine (1955) but I'd like to discuss it.

         I got (amongst others) a small "Vincent Industrial Power" engine 
and after a little work on the carburettor it is now running. Research on 
the net has provided the following information:

         1) Produced by the same company that made the "VINCENT" 
motorcycles. Anyone interested in motorcycles will respect this very 
revered name.
         2)  This "engine" was made in 1955 and there are not many 
survivors (to my knowledge) ! It was produced by the Vincent company when 
they realised that they were in financial difficulties as a "possible" 
"broadening of the base" to try to save the company.
         3) it is a very small (I think mine is 70 cc's) 2 stroke engine 
and it makes a lot more noise than a Maytag and it smokes a lot as well but 
I'll probably be able to control this once I learn more about it.
         4) It was produced as a "power unit" for lawnmowers, compressors, 
gensets or anything else needing a small "power plant".

         I'd like to share some thoughts on this engine but would like to 
first apologise to our British friends on these lists, as, what I have to 
say, may not be to their liking.

         My comments:
         a) Thank goodness that the Japanese (Honda, Suzuki et al) did not 
copy this engine.
         b) I'm so glad that I never bought a machine (lawnmower or 
sumsuchlike) that was powered by one of these.
         c) It's just like a "British Motor bike" - very temperamental 
(maybe that is why we loved them - oil leaks and all). I owned a 650cc 
Triumph Thunderbird. (approx 1964). I could start mine "first kick" but 
could never start my mates bike and he could never start mine. They were 
each individual and you had to know "just where" to hold the throttle and 
"just where" to have the kick start pedal and just how much to "tickle" the 
carburettor. Magic, they were !!

         d) I'm learning how to start the "Vincent" but it does not behave 
the same way each time! Not like a modern (Japanese) two stroke - open the 
fuel and pull the cord!. No, the "Vincent" is typical of the old British 
bikes - you gotta know "just" how to do it. I've started it every night for 
about the last 7 days and each time I've battled to find it's "happy 
medium". Great is it not! - isn't that what this damn hobby (sickness) is 
all about?

         e) I do love this little engine if only because of it's historical 
significance (I put it down to "one of those that never made the grade"). 
It is a badly designed, "horrible","noisy", "smoky" little engine, designed 
in a hurry with no thought given to (later) maintenance, but, they are all 
important because they were all part of the evolution of the modern "small 
engine".

         That's my "bit". Sorry that it was not about something really 
glamorous but it does have a "spark plug'
and it does work on the "internal combustion principle".

         ( I also know that there are other "lists" and "forums" more 
concerned with this type of engine - but I do not belong to any of them - 
so you guys are "it".)









Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Nov 13 14:40:48 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:40:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Walking beam Alamo
In-Reply-To: <20081113221322.851AD65B445@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20081113221322.851AD65B445@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <21A0644B-F073-4ACE-AB3B-56DA8C320E0A@rustyiron.com>


On Nov 13, 2008, at 2:13 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:

> I have a chance to buy ,what we be leave to be an old Alamo  
> engine..I'll get
> some measurements so we can determine the HP. `'It looks like the  
> one on
> page 16 in the Wendle A.G.E. book[lower right corner]. If some one  
> had any
> pictures or paper on those engines I would love a copy. It's a "Bones"
> engine missing a bunch, but more complete than some others that I  
> have seen
> saved. It has  a crescent shaped weight that pivots on a bolt in one  
> of the
> spokes of the flywheel that acts as the govnr. ,No bolt hub on  
> flywheel,
> walking beam rocker arm,  valve chest cast to side of head, intake  
> on top,
> exhaust under the chest, both missing. The missing ignitor bolts
> horizontally to the same chest.I don't have a scanner, but will try  
> to take
> a digital picture of the one photograph that I have and pass it on  
> if some
> one would like a picture.   Thank you, Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236
>

Take a look at the Holland's Alamo:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Alamo/Thumbnails.html










From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Nov 13 14:43:41 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:43:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
References: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<6F5C3FEEA00746058328ACA26F611ECA@PETER>
Message-ID: <CC303FC688C34F859E1CA78774364FC4@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Thanks Peter and all who have voted and helped!

Tommy Turner



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)


>I just placed 50 votes, no time right now to do any more.
>
> Peter, Oz
>
>
>> Folks, to keep this on topic of old iron, I'll first tell you that the
>> location I'm going to mention is where we have held engine shows in the
>> past (many years ago).  The property is now in the hands of the National
>> Park Service.  It's in line to receive funding from Hampton Inns for
>> restoration.  If you could take the time to click on the link and place
>> a vote for the Lincoln Knob Creek Cabin (the first "Landmark" listed) I
>> would appreciate it.  Thanks!
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>> http://www.hamptonlandmarks.com/VoteLandMarkResults.aspx?state=17&staten
>> ame=
>> Kentucky
>>
>>
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Nov 13 14:51:10 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:51:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
References: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco><6F5C3FEEA00746058328ACA26F611ECA@PETER>
	<2F3B433B-B97C-4FB5-B023-4F95C33526B1@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <5F14669553554F6FA6E607339CAA324F@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Dave,
    Thats how we do it in KY!

Tommy Turner



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)


> I, also, noticed that you could vote more than once. This must be a
> Democrat/Acorn sort of registration!
> Dave
> PS, Leave it to Tommy!
>
>
> --------
> David Rotigel
> rotigel at alltel.net
>
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Peter Lowe wrote:
>
>> I just placed 50 votes, no time right now to do any more.
>>
>> Peter, Oz
>>
>>
>>> Folks, to keep this on topic of old iron, I'll first tell you that
>>> the
>>> location I'm going to mention is where we have held engine shows in
>>> the
>>> past (many years ago).  The property is now in the hands of the
>>> National
>>> Park Service.  It's in line to receive funding from Hampton Inns for
>>> restoration.  If you could take the time to click on the link and
>>> place
>>> a vote for the Lincoln Knob Creek Cabin (the first "Landmark"
>>> listed) I
>>> would appreciate it.  Thanks!
>>>
>>> Tommy Turner
>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.hamptonlandmarks.com/VoteLandMarkResults.aspx?state=17&staten
>>> ame=
>>> Kentucky
>>>
>>>
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>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Nov 13 15:04:31 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:04:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
References: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<1226612597.491c9f75af4f8@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <B59D7148CF7E4383807F3869A9770768@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Arnie,
    Yes, pretenders is right!  The truth is now known!

Tommy Turner



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From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)


> Hmmmmm, no voting choices for those pretenders from the Carolina's...
>
> I guess they finally stopped trying to hijack Lincoln from the great state 
> of
> Kentucky.  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Quoting Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:
>
>> If you could take the time to click on the link and place
>> a vote for the Lincoln Knob Creek Cabin (the first "Landmark" listed) I
>> would appreciate it.  Thanks!
>>
>>
> http://www.hamptonlandmarks.com/VoteLandMarkResults.aspx?state=17&statename=Kentucky
>
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 15:22:03 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:22:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Walking beam Alamo
In-Reply-To: <21A0644B-F073-4ACE-AB3B-56DA8C320E0A@rustyiron.com>
References: <20081113221322.851AD65B445@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
	<21A0644B-F073-4ACE-AB3B-56DA8C320E0A@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811131522x134be8b9p5fb1001a8b4fe76e@mail.gmail.com>

On 13/11/2008, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:
>

> Take a look at the Holland's Alamo:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Alamo/Thumbnails.html

More here, taken at Portland this year (still haven't done the captions, Curt!)

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland08/Portland08276.htm

through

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland08/Portland08282.htm

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Nov 13 16:36:12 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:36:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Walking beam Alamo
In-Reply-To: <21A0644B-F073-4ACE-AB3B-56DA8C320E0A@rustyiron.com>
References: <20081113221322.851AD65B445@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
	<21A0644B-F073-4ACE-AB3B-56DA8C320E0A@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <1226622972.491cc7fcc56df@webmail.city-net.com>

> Take a look at the Holland's Alamo:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Alamo/Thumbnails.html

And Jim?  She runs as beautifully as she looks!!  A real head-turner at every
show she attends.

I'm looking forward to the pics of yours.

See ya,  Arnie




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 13 17:30:04 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:30:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
In-Reply-To: <CC303FC688C34F859E1CA78774364FC4@tommydk7hxjr4h>
References: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<6F5C3FEEA00746058328ACA26F611ECA@PETER> 
	<CC303FC688C34F859E1CA78774364FC4@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <COL112-W379E29C409D1393C3CC32995160@phx.gbl>


Tommy, I  can't find where to vote for the Abraham Enloe Cabin,  Help!! Steve> From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:43:41 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)> > Thanks Peter and all who have voted and helped!> > Tommy Turner> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:52 PM> Subject: Re: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)> > > >I just placed 50 votes, no time right now to do any more.> >> > Peter, Oz> >> >> >> Folks, to keep this on topic of old iron, I'll first tell you that the> >> location I'm going to mention is where we have held engine shows in the> >> past (many years ago). The property is now in the hands of the National> >> Park Service. It's in line to receive funding from Hampton Inns for> >> restoration. If you could take the time to click on the link and place> >> a vote for the Lincoln Knob Creek Cabin (the first "Landmark" listed) I> >> would appreciate it. Thanks!> >>> >> Tommy Turner> >> Magnolia, KY> >>> >>> >> http://www.hamptonlandmarks.com/VoteLandMarkResults.aspx?state=17&staten> >> ame=> >> Kentucky> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________> >> SEL mailing list> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1784 - Release Date: 11/12/2008 > 7:01 PM> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Nov 13 17:53:34 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:53:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
References: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco><6F5C3FEEA00746058328ACA26F611ECA@PETER>
	<CC303FC688C34F859E1CA78774364FC4@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<COL112-W379E29C409D1393C3CC32995160@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CDB4663A197F4E9E8777F1A10B7BEC67@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Steve, its like the rest of that story..... a myth....

Tommy


> Tommy, I  can't find where to vote for the Abraham Enloe Cabin,  Help!! 
> Steve 



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 17:56:59 2008
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:56:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
References: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco><6F5C3FEEA00746058328ACA26F611ECA@PETER>
	<CC303FC688C34F859E1CA78774364FC4@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<COL112-W379E29C409D1393C3CC32995160@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001001c945fc$48180a60$24634b47@mikecomp>

Why I voted for the boyhood home of Lincoln which is in Kentucky!  I didn't 
see any place to vote for the home of conception in Bostic, NC!!!!!

Mike Royster


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)



Tommy, I  can't find where to vote for the Abraham Enloe Cabin,  Help!! 
Steve> From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:43:41 -0500> 
Subject: Re: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)> > Thanks 
Peter and all who have voted and helped!> > Tommy Turner> > > > -----  
Original 



From curt at rustyiron.com  Fri Nov 14 06:36:04 2008
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:36:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
Message-ID: <59315.168.215.206.73.1226673364.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Gentlemen,
Engines have been on hold a while as we've continued to work on Devin's
project vehicle. We are currently assembling the front I-beam axle and
have a couple of questions for the experts out there.

1) When setting toe in, where is the dimension taken from? At the OD of
the tire? Or at the brake drum/caliper OD? ISTR most toe in specs are a
1/16" to a 1/8". Where this is measured makes a HUGE difference in
resulting angle between the wheels.

2) We are in need of dust caps to go on the axle ends. NAPA turned up
nothing. These caps fit OVER the hubs, not inside like more modern
vehicles. The Hub measures 2 3/8" diameter and the caps need to be about 1
5/8" deep. Anyone know of a source?

If helpful, a few photos of the front axle can be seen at the bottom of
this page:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/WillyOverlandRestoration/FrontAxleIbeamRebuild/Thumbnails.html>

The entire project is being documented here: LOTS of photos.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/WillyOverlandRestoration/Thumbnails.html>

Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC



From jbcast at charter.net  Fri Nov 14 06:50:22 2008
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 9:50:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
In-Reply-To: <59315.168.215.206.73.1226673364.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <20081114095022.803X0.320844.root@mp18>


> 
> 1) When setting toe in, where is the dimension taken from? At the OD of
> the tire? Or at the brake drum/caliper OD? ISTR most toe in specs are a
> 1/16" to a 1/8". Where this is measured makes a HUGE difference in
> resulting angle between the wheels.

Mesure the toe at the outside of the tire, it's best to scribe the tire and measure from the scribe line, this compensates for runout. Jack up the wheel, chalk the tire, spin it, and hold a pointed tool against it, resting it on a block or jack stand. Measure from line to line in the front and back of the tires.
> 
> 2) We are in need of dust caps to go on the axle ends. NAPA turned up
> nothing. These caps fit OVER the hubs, not inside like more modern
> vehicles. The Hub measures 2 3/8" diameter and the caps need to be about 1
> 5/8" deep. Anyone know of a source?

Aluminum and a lathe, get creative.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA.



From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Nov 14 08:34:45 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:34:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
In-Reply-To: <59315.168.215.206.73.1226673364.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGECLHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Curt:

What I do is to make sure the kingpins and tie rod ends are in good condition and the wheel bearings have no slack in them.  If there's slop there, toe-in adjustment will be almost meaningless.

I jack the car up as level as I can and mark (just use a pencil or nail or something to make a fairly fine line) a place on the approximate center of the tread of each tire to measure from.  I Turn the tires so the marks are at the front and measure the distance between the marks.

The, I turn both tires to as close to the exact rear as I can and measure between the same marks.  The difference is toe-in.  Naturally, the distance should be shorter at the front than at the back.  If you get this reversed, it will make for interesting driving fun.  :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> curt at rustyiron.com
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 08:36 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com;
> slick at toltbbs.com
> Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
> 
> 
> Gentlemen,
> Engines have been on hold a while as we've 
> continued to work on Devin's
> project vehicle. We are currently assembling the 
> front I-beam axle and
> have a couple of questions for the experts out there.
> 
> 1) When setting toe in, where is the dimension 
> taken from? At the OD of
> the tire? Or at the brake drum/caliper OD? ISTR 
> most toe in specs are a
> 1/16" to a 1/8". Where this is measured makes a 
> HUGE difference in
> resulting angle between the wheels.
> 
> 2) We are in need of dust caps to go on the axle 
> ends. NAPA turned up
> nothing. These caps fit OVER the hubs, not inside 
> like more modern
> vehicles. The Hub measures 2 3/8" diameter and 
> the caps need to be about 1
> 5/8" deep. Anyone know of a source?
> 
> If helpful, a few photos of the front axle can be 
> seen at the bottom of
> this page:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/W
illyOverlandRestoration/FrontAxleIbeamRebuild/Thumbnails.html>

The entire project is being documented here: LOTS of photos.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/WillyOverlandRestoration/Thumbnails.html>

Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

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From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Nov 14 07:57:08 2008
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:57:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
Message-ID: <20081114.105732.1232.6.jlb94@juno.com>

1) When setting toe in, where is the dimension taken from? 
=        =        =        =        =        =        =        =        
Hi Curt,
On my '72 Ford F-250 4x4,  I've always measured toe-in from the inside of
the tires at the highest point of the sidewall.

I don't know where I got the specs of 1/8" because it's been a long time
since I looked that kind of stuff up.

If you set your toe in at that, and notice uneven wear or hard steering. 
Then - - - Experiment.

If your tie-rod ends are anything like mine it's nothing to adjust a turn
in or out.

I can't help on the dust caps.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Nov 14 08:22:01 2008
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:22:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
In-Reply-To: <20081114.105732.1232.6.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20081114.105732.1232.6.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <1084.165.206.180.15.1226679721.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Make sure you measure from a point perfectly level with the spindle, not
above or below it as there will be some camber angle. If you are above
level with the spindle or below level with the spindle, this angle will
throw off your measurements.  I take a level to my tires, with the level
intersecting the spindle center, and mark ahead and back with the level,
well, perfectly level!

Inside or outside should not matter as long as you do the same for both
front and back. It's typically easier to set your measuring device up
against the inner sidewall, however, than try to span tread.

I've also done it to the FACE of the tire, too. Measure from the very
center of the fronts of the tire, then the very center of the backs of the
tire, but that's difficult with low-riding vehicles, the body gets in the
way.

Roughly 1/8" toe in as the tires tend to pull outward at speed so they
would sit about 0 toe on the road and 1/8" at rest.
Front wheel drive is the opposite, you typically want toe-out on them as
the driving force makes them want to pull inward.

> 1) When setting toe in, where is the dimension taken from?
> =        =        =        =        =        =        =        =
> Hi Curt,
> On my '72 Ford F-250 4x4,  I've always measured toe-in from the inside of
> the tires at the highest point of the sidewall.
>
> I don't know where I got the specs of 1/8" because it's been a long time
> since I looked that kind of stuff up.
>
> If you set your toe in at that, and notice uneven wear or hard steering.
> Then - - - Experiment.
>
> If your tie-rod ends are anything like mine it's nothing to adjust a turn
> in or out.
>
> I can't help on the dust caps.
>
>  Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>  jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>    ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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>




From kosh at ncweb.com  Fri Nov 14 08:27:39 2008
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:27:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
In-Reply-To: <20081114095022.803X0.320844.root@mp18>
References: <59315.168.215.206.73.1226673364.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081114112540.03489ec0@ncweb.com>

Chalk + scribe on the tire tread is the standard and most accurate way to 
do it, many racers still do it that way.

Dave Merchant


At 09:50 AM 11/14/2008, jbcast at charter.net wrote:

> >
> > 1) When setting toe in, where is the dimension taken from? At the OD of
> > the tire? Or at the brake drum/caliper OD? ISTR most toe in specs are a
> > 1/16" to a 1/8". Where this is measured makes a HUGE difference in
> > resulting angle between the wheels.
>
>Mesure the toe at the outside of the tire, it's best to scribe the tire 
>and measure from the scribe line, this compensates for runout. Jack up the 
>wheel, chalk the tire, spin it, and hold a pointed tool against it, 
>resting it on a block or jack stand. Measure from line to line in the 
>front and back of the tires.
> >
> > 2) We are in need of dust caps to go on the axle ends. NAPA turned up
> > nothing. These caps fit OVER the hubs, not inside like more modern
> > vehicles. The Hub measures 2 3/8" diameter and the caps need to be about 1
> > 5/8" deep. Anyone know of a source?
>
>Aluminum and a lathe, get creative.
>J.B. Castagnos
>Belle Rose, LA.
>
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kosh at nesys.com
nesys_com at ameritech.net
dmerchant at layerzero.com

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane



From mls543 at ntelos.net  Fri Nov 14 10:12:13 2008
From: mls543 at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:12:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
In-Reply-To: <59315.168.215.206.73.1226673364.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <59315.168.215.206.73.1226673364.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <491DBF7D.70500@ntelos.net>

curt at rustyiron.com wrote:
> Gentlemen,
> Engines have been on hold a while as we've continued to work on Devin's
> project vehicle. We are currently assembling the front I-beam axle and
> have a couple of questions for the experts out there.
>
> 1) When setting toe in, where is the dimension taken from? At the OD of
> the tire? Or at the brake drum/caliper OD? ISTR most toe in specs are a
> 1/16" to a 1/8". Where this is measured makes a HUGE difference in
> resulting angle between the wheels.
>
> 2) We are in need of dust caps to go on the axle ends. NAPA turned up
> nothing. These caps fit OVER the hubs, not inside like more modern
> vehicles. The Hub measures 2 3/8" diameter and the caps need to be about 1
> 5/8" deep. Anyone know of a source?
>
> If helpful, a few photos of the front axle can be seen at the bottom of
> this page:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/WillyOverlandRestoration/FrontAxleIbeamRebuild/Thumbnails.html>
>
> The entire project is being documented here: LOTS of photos.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/WillyOverlandRestoration/Thumbnails.html>
>
> Thanks,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>   
Curt there are a few dust caps for ya there's the link good luck .
   Mark

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/58-WILLYS-JEEP-CJ5-CJ3B-TRUCK-WHEEL-BEARING-DUST-CAPS_W0QQitemZ190266279249QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20081112?IMSfp=TL0811121210004r15981


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 14 17:00:55 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:00:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
In-Reply-To: <59315.168.215.206.73.1226673364.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <165745.38249.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have an older friend, Bob, who's dad used to own a gasoline station 
and they also serviced vehicles.
Bob owned it for a few years after his dad did.
Then it was shut down and turned into an insurance office.
Well,,, Bob had the alignment tools along with all the rest of 
the specialty tools.
The station ran between 1948 and 1978.
I have seen Bob align a front end.
Picture two four foot or longer straight edges.
They had magnetic stand offs that slid to adjust for different 
wheel sizes.
They also each had a bubble on them for level.
Stick one on each front wheel and measure between them front and back.
Well,,,, It is hard to measure the back because there is car in the way.
So,,,, Have another rod under the car that had an adjustable part 
on each end. 
Those ends slid on the rod and could be locked in place with a thumb screw.
Each end had two 1 1/2" -- 2" long legs and a more solid bar coming 
up that he adjusted to the straight edges at the back of the wheels.
Then I grabbed one end and we tipped the ends over and slid the rod 
out from under the car.
We carried it around to the front and he had me slide my end up to the 
straighe edge and then he measured the gap at his end.

This did not look like something they had made.
I think the rod across the car came apart in three pieces and 
the ends came off.
Everything went into a nice box like it was a kit they had bought.

Are ya ready?
Start building.
Alan in Michigan



--- On Fri, 11/14/08, curt at rustyiron.com <curt at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> From: curt at rustyiron.com <curt at rustyiron.com>
> Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com, slick at toltbbs.com
> Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 9:36 AM
> Gentlemen,
> Engines have been on hold a while as we've continued to
> work on Devin's
> project vehicle. We are currently assembling the front
> I-beam axle and
> have a couple of questions for the experts out there.
> 
> 1) When setting toe in, where is the dimension taken from?
> At the OD of
> the tire? Or at the brake drum/caliper OD? ISTR most toe in
> specs are a
> 1/16" to a 1/8". Where this is measured makes a
> HUGE difference in
> resulting angle between the wheels.
> 
> 2) We are in need of dust caps to go on the axle ends. NAPA
> turned up
> nothing. These caps fit OVER the hubs, not inside like more
> modern
> vehicles. The Hub measures 2 3/8" diameter and the
> caps need to be about 1
> 5/8" deep. Anyone know of a source?
> 
> If helpful, a few photos of the front axle can be seen at
> the bottom of
> this page:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/WillyOverlandRestoration/FrontAxleIbeamRebuild/Thumbnails.html>
> 
> The entire project is being documented here: LOTS of
> photos.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/WillyOverlandRestoration/Thumbnails.html>
> 
> Thanks,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Fri Nov 14 17:51:16 2008
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:51:16 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
References: <165745.38249.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45268BC1D3AF482DB186F032C2EB27CA@your46e94owx6a>

Why not just take it to somebody that does alignment work 
and tell them to do it.  Kind of a speciality job anyway.  I 
would not invest much in toosl that get used once and never 
again.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, California U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net 



From endacomm10 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 14 18:04:32 2008
From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:04:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
In-Reply-To: <59315.168.215.206.73.1226673364.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <987114.78067.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>



curt at rustyiron.com wrote:    Gentlemen,
Engines have been on hold a while as we've continued to work on Devin's
project vehicle. We are currently assembling the front I-beam axle and
have a couple of questions for the experts out there.

1) When setting toe in, where is the dimension taken from? At the OD of
the tire? Or at the brake drum/caliper OD? ISTR most toe in specs are a
1/16" to a 1/8". Where this is measured makes a HUGE difference in
resulting angle between the wheels.

2) We are in need of dust caps to go on the axle ends. NAPA turned up
nothing. These caps fit OVER the hubs, not inside like more modern
vehicles. The Hub measures 2 3/8" diameter and the caps need to be about 1
5/8" deep. Anyone know of a source?
  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>--- http://www.jcwhitney.com/ ---<<<  If that fails, Try Warshawski
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   
   
  If helpful, a few photos of the front axle can be seen at the bottom of
this page:


The entire project is being documented here: LOTS of photos.


Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

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From jbcast at charter.net  Fri Nov 14 18:13:12 2008
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:13:12 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
In-Reply-To: <45268BC1D3AF482DB186F032C2EB27CA@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <20081114211312.VPHOJ.381120.root@mp15>


---- Jim Kirkes <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote: 
> Why not just take it to somebody that does alignment work 
> and tell them to do it.  Kind of a speciality job anyway.  I 
> would not invest much in toosl that get used once and never 
> again.
> 
> Jim
> 

Jim, this is a straight axle vehicle, only tool needed is a tape measure. I think he wants to do as much as he can himself.
J.B. Castagnos


From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com  Fri Nov 14 23:10:27 2008
From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (rustyiron1)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:10:27 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
References: <59315.168.215.206.73.1226673364.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <29527CE2846D476087CF73729CE9A9A1@Andy>

The wheel alignment measurements are taken from the wheel rim.
To carry out the Toe-in/ Toe-out.
Where the tyre bead sits, take all measurements from the outside of the rim 
at this point.
With the vehicle sitting on a flat surface, measure from the floor to a 
point on the inside of the wheel.
Do this on both wheels, note the measurement between the two wheels,then 
push the vehicle forward,
measure again so the you have the same measurement at the rear of the wheels 
from the floor.
Measure again but now at the rear of the wheel, same hight from the floor, 
this will be the Toe-in.
Easier still if the I beam axle is out of the vehicle.

Andy.......

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <curt at rustyiron.com>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
<slick at toltbbs.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 12:36 AM
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT


> Gentlemen,
> Engines have been on hold a while as we've continued to work on Devin's
> project vehicle. We are currently assembling the front I-beam axle and
> have a couple of questions for the experts out there.
>
> 1) When setting toe in, where is the dimension taken from? At the OD of
> the tire? Or at the brake drum/caliper OD? ISTR most toe in specs are a
> 1/16" to a 1/8". Where this is measured makes a HUGE difference in
> resulting angle between the wheels.
>
> 2) We are in need of dust caps to go on the axle ends. NAPA turned up
> nothing. These caps fit OVER the hubs, not inside like more modern
> vehicles. The Hub measures 2 3/8" diameter and the caps need to be about 1
> 5/8" deep. Anyone know of a source?
>
> If helpful, a few photos of the front axle can be seen at the bottom of
> this page:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/WillyOverlandRestoration/FrontAxleIbeamRebuild/Thumbnails.html>
>
> The entire project is being documented here: LOTS of photos.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/WillyOverlandRestoration/Thumbnails.html>
>
> Thanks,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From lfevans at pacbell.net  Sat Nov 15 14:30:48 2008
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:30:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Mostly Off Topic
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20081115143027.03775b48@pop.att.yahoo.com>

On Public Television:

Tonight in the Los Angeles area at 9:00 PM there will be a 90 minute 
documentary called "Journey to Palomar."  This is the story of George 
Ellery Hale who was the astronomer that was responsible for establishing 
three telescopes that each were the largest in the world when they first 
went into operation.  The first two were located at the Mount Wilson 
Observatory located in the mountains above Pasadena, California and the 
third one was the 200 inch instrument located at Mt. Palomar near San 
Diego, California.  The 60 inch telescope at Mt. Wilson went into use in 
1908 and the 100 inch telescope in 1917.

What keeps this a little bit on topic is the fact that there are a few 
seconds of film showing the 1911 50 HP Fairbanks Morse type RE running that 
my brother and I have the privilege of maintaining.

If you have an interest in the history of science and technology you might 
find this a 90 minutes well spent.  I'm not sure what the broadcast 
schedule is across the country.

Regards,

Larry Evans
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Nov 15 15:27:25 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:27:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mostly Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20081115143027.03775b48@pop.att.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <156A87EE63A4494191F2E4318B29FB64@larue10ijlvccx>

Wow, I'd love to see that program Larry.  I get 3 PBS feeds here on my
cable.  One from Louisville, one from Nashville and Kentucky Educational
TV's PBS feed.  But, none have the program on it, at least not at this
time.   Looks like Lawrence Welk is my 9:00 pm show.... Darn, I'd rather
be watching what you'll get to!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Evans
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 5:31 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Mostly Off Topic


On Public Television:

Tonight in the Los Angeles area at 9:00 PM there will be a 90 minute 
documentary called "Journey to Palomar."  This is the story of George 
Ellery Hale who was the astronomer that was responsible for establishing

three telescopes that each were the largest in the world when they first

went into operation.  The first two were located at the Mount Wilson 
Observatory located in the mountains above Pasadena, California and the 
third one was the 200 inch instrument located at Mt. Palomar near San 
Diego, California.  The 60 inch telescope at Mt. Wilson went into use in

1908 and the 100 inch telescope in 1917.

What keeps this a little bit on topic is the fact that there are a few 
seconds of film showing the 1911 50 HP Fairbanks Morse type RE running
that 
my brother and I have the privilege of maintaining.

If you have an interest in the history of science and technology you
might 
find this a 90 minutes well spent.  I'm not sure what the broadcast 
schedule is across the country.

Regards,

Larry Evans
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 


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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 23:47:58 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:47:58 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Mostly Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <156A87EE63A4494191F2E4318B29FB64@larue10ijlvccx>
References: <6.0.1.1.2.20081115143027.03775b48@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<156A87EE63A4494191F2E4318B29FB64@larue10ijlvccx>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811152347y7ddcb3edr73d11521039c7c3@mail.gmail.com>

On 15/11/2008, Judge Tommy Turner <Lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:
> Wow, I'd love to see that program Larry.  I get 3 PBS feeds here on my
> cable.  One from Louisville, one from Nashville and Kentucky Educational
> TV's PBS feed.  But, none have the program on it, at least not at this
> time.   Looks like Lawrence Welk is my 9:00 pm show.... Darn, I'd rather
> be watching what you'll get to!
>
> Tommy Turner

Tommy and others:

http://www.shoppbs.org/sm-pbs-buy-the-journey-to-palomar-dvd-on-http-wwwshoppbsorg--pi-3333841.html

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Nov 16 14:19:47 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:19:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W6999B8C254A4D288F7A4E795160@phx.gbl>
References: <59315.168.215.206.73.1226673364.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<000b01c94671$8632e160$0201010a@x6d7p7>
	<2C36E455-E052-4D5C-BBC3-97D0D2DD8B87@rustyiron.com>
	<COL112-W6999B8C254A4D288F7A4E795160@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1226873987.49209c834dab8@webmail.city-net.com>

Gee Steve,

I think in all honesty, we to add a bit of clarification here.  ISTR that when
you last told me this story, the car was parked and the "shimmying" was
accompanied by a lot of moaning.

And I think you said that "when you cranked the toe in" she yelled "OH NO!  Not
the toe job AGAIN!!"

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>:

> Gee  Whiz , In the old days when my evil brother and i had too much shimmy 
> in the old Willys, We just cranked the toe in a little at a time till it quit
> shimmying, Steve the good Royster




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Nov 17 00:14:26 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:14:26 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Useful web site/spark plugs
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081117101339.00c332b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         While looking for some spark plug info I came across this British 
site which has a lot of very useful technical info on plugs and cross 
reference charts.
I hope it's useful to someone else as well.
http://www.spark-plugs.co.uk/

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From curt at rustyiron.com  Mon Nov 17 09:23:53 2008
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:23:53 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
In-Reply-To: <20081114211312.VPHOJ.381120.root@mp15>
References: <20081114211312.VPHOJ.381120.root@mp15>
Message-ID: <59467.168.215.206.73.1226942633.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

JB,
You are spot on! We are doing it all ourselves. This is supposed to be a
learning exercise for Devin.

I took your lathe suggestion to heart. Just happened to have a piece of
thin wall tubing under the workbench and chucked in up in the 4 jaw chuck
on Saturday. 5 hours later they were done and had a fresh coats of black
Imron on them. Cooked 'em in Missy's oven and then overnight in the deep
freeze and they look great and are ready to put on. I'll take a photo and
post later.
Curt


>
> ---- Jim Kirkes <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote:
>> Why not just take it to somebody that does alignment work
>> and tell them to do it.  Kind of a speciality job anyway.  I
>> would not invest much in toosl that get used once and never
>> again.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>
> Jim, this is a straight axle vehicle, only tool needed is a tape measure.
> I think he wants to do as much as he can himself.
> J.B. Castagnos
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Nov 17 13:03:21 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:03:21 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions now Imrom paint
References: <20081114211312.VPHOJ.381120.root@mp15>
	<59467.168.215.206.73.1226942633.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <8EB1A4205A8D43A197324BFAC4D02CB9@PETER>

Hi Curt
I used Imron 2 pack on my last R&V engine, great paint if your careful 
health wise.
I usually bake my paint but what is the benefit of freezing it too??

Peter, Oz




> JB,
> You are spot on! We are doing it all ourselves. This is supposed to be a
> learning exercise for Devin.
>
> I took your lathe suggestion to heart. Just happened to have a piece of
> thin wall tubing under the workbench and chucked in up in the 4 jaw chuck
> on Saturday. 5 hours later they were done and had a fresh coats of black
> Imron on them. Cooked 'em in Missy's oven and then overnight in the deep
> freeze and they look great and are ready to put on. I'll take a photo and
> post later.
> Curt
>
>
>>
>> ---- Jim Kirkes <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> Why not just take it to somebody that does alignment work
>>> and tell them to do it.  Kind of a speciality job anyway.  I
>>> would not invest much in toosl that get used once and never
>>> again.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>
>> Jim, this is a straight axle vehicle, only tool needed is a tape measure.
>> I think he wants to do as much as he can himself.
>> J.B. Castagnos



From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Mon Nov 17 13:29:58 2008
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:29:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions now Imrom paint
In-Reply-To: <8EB1A4205A8D43A197324BFAC4D02CB9@PETER>
References: <20081114211312.VPHOJ.381120.root@mp15>	<59467.168.215.206.73.1226942633.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<8EB1A4205A8D43A197324BFAC4D02CB9@PETER>
Message-ID: <4921E256.4090000@rustic-engines.com>

It freezes the molecular structure and makes a stronger bonding to 
combat any future
carcinogen, viral or bacterial entry.

Cheers,

Al Harris
Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Peter Lowe wrote:
> Hi Curt
> I used Imron 2 pack on my last R&V engine, great paint if your careful 
> health wise.
> I usually bake my paint but what is the benefit of freezing it too??
>
> Peter, Oz
>
>
>
>
>   
>> JB,
>> You are spot on! We are doing it all ourselves. This is supposed to be a
>> learning exercise for Devin.
>>
>> I took your lathe suggestion to heart. Just happened to have a piece of
>> thin wall tubing under the workbench and chucked in up in the 4 jaw chuck
>> on Saturday. 5 hours later they were done and had a fresh coats of black
>> Imron on them. Cooked 'em in Missy's oven and then overnight in the deep
>> freeze and they look great and are ready to put on. I'll take a photo and
>> post later.
>> Curt
>>
>>
>>     
>>> ---- Jim Kirkes <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Why not just take it to somebody that does alignment work
>>>> and tell them to do it.  Kind of a speciality job anyway.  I
>>>> would not invest much in toosl that get used once and never
>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Jim, this is a straight axle vehicle, only tool needed is a tape measure.
>>> I think he wants to do as much as he can himself.
>>> J.B. Castagnos
>>>       
>
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>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Nov 17 16:55:52 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:55:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions now Imrom paint
In-Reply-To: <4921E256.4090000@rustic-engines.com>
References: <20081114211312.VPHOJ.381120.root@mp15>	<59467.168.215.206.73.1226942633.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<8EB1A4205A8D43A197324BFAC4D02CB9@PETER>
	<4921E256.4090000@rustic-engines.com>
Message-ID: <0FC04185-2017-4BD4-85F4-A5340462FE28@alltel.net>

WOW Al, That's neat!
	Dave
PS, How do you keep it frozen after you take it out of the freezer?


--------
David Rotigel
rotigel at alltel.net



On Nov 17, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Al Harris wrote:

> It freezes the molecular structure and makes a stronger bonding to
> combat any future
> carcinogen, viral or bacterial entry.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Al Harris
> Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>
> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
>
>
>
> Peter Lowe wrote:
>> Hi Curt
>> I used Imron 2 pack on my last R&V engine, great paint if your  
>> careful
>> health wise.
>> I usually bake my paint but what is the benefit of freezing it too??
>>
>> Peter, Oz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> JB,
>>> You are spot on! We are doing it all ourselves. This is supposed  
>>> to be a
>>> learning exercise for Devin.
>>>
>>> I took your lathe suggestion to heart. Just happened to have a  
>>> piece of
>>> thin wall tubing under the workbench and chucked in up in the 4  
>>> jaw chuck
>>> on Saturday. 5 hours later they were done and had a fresh coats of  
>>> black
>>> Imron on them. Cooked 'em in Missy's oven and then overnight in  
>>> the deep
>>> freeze and they look great and are ready to put on. I'll take a  
>>> photo and
>>> post later.
>>> Curt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ---- Jim Kirkes <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why not just take it to somebody that does alignment work
>>>>> and tell them to do it.  Kind of a speciality job anyway.  I
>>>>> would not invest much in toosl that get used once and never
>>>>> again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Jim, this is a straight axle vehicle, only tool needed is a tape  
>>>> measure.
>>>> I think he wants to do as much as he can himself.
>>>> J.B. Castagnos
>>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Mon Nov 17 17:00:39 2008
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:00:39 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions now Imrom paint
In-Reply-To: <0FC04185-2017-4BD4-85F4-A5340462FE28@alltel.net>
References: <20081114211312.VPHOJ.381120.root@mp15>	<59467.168.215.206.73.1226942633.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>	<8EB1A4205A8D43A197324BFAC4D02CB9@PETER>	<4921E256.4090000@rustic-engines.com>
	<0FC04185-2017-4BD4-85F4-A5340462FE28@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <492213B7.7050505@rustic-engines.com>

Ummm ....

Bugger,

Al Harris
Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



David Rotigel wrote:
> WOW Al, That's neat!
> 	Dave
> PS, How do you keep it frozen after you take it out of the freezer?
>
>
> --------
> David Rotigel
> rotigel at alltel.net
>
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Al Harris wrote:
>
>   
>> It freezes the molecular structure and makes a stronger bonding to
>> combat any future
>> carcinogen, viral or bacterial entry.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Al Harris
>> Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>>
>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Lowe wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi Curt
>>> I used Imron 2 pack on my last R&V engine, great paint if your  
>>> careful
>>> health wise.
>>> I usually bake my paint but what is the benefit of freezing it too??
>>>
>>> Peter, Oz
>>>
>>>       
>


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Nov 17 23:54:03 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:54:03 -0800
Subject: [SEL] ebay
Message-ID: <BBC32BCE-D216-4355-976D-D9229447CB72@rustyiron.com>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380078048359

Well?  Which of you are on your way to Rochester to pick up your new  
toy?










From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Nov 18 02:03:04 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:03:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] ebay
References: <BBC32BCE-D216-4355-976D-D9229447CB72@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <05F99F8AD1464CF490F0C7892A8499F6@Peter>

Holy cow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's only a rusty bit of old iron ;-))))))))))))

Peter, Oz





> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380078048359
>
> Well?  Which of you are on your way to Rochester to pick up your new
> toy?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Nov 18 03:30:19 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:30:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ebay
References: <BBC32BCE-D216-4355-976D-D9229447CB72@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <9443BC4A6DCC4CABA4C8E6C2F6F60B70@tommydk7hxjr4h>

I was a bidder but not a buyer Rob.  I've got a Charter like it that's a 
little smaller.  But, my engine needs some TLC.  I've chatted with the 
purchaser of the Charter on ebay and he's a great guy that I've known for 
several years.  That hunk of iron has a good home.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "Stationary-Engine ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:54 AM
Subject: [SEL] ebay


> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380078048359
>
> Well?  Which of you are on your way to Rochester to pick up your new
> toy?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From curt at rustyiron.com  Tue Nov 18 05:16:45 2008
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:16:45 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions now Imrom paint
In-Reply-To: <8EB1A4205A8D43A197324BFAC4D02CB9@PETER>
References: <20081114211312.VPHOJ.381120.root@mp15>
	<59467.168.215.206.73.1226942633.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<8EB1A4205A8D43A197324BFAC4D02CB9@PETER>
Message-ID: <59341.168.215.206.73.1227014205.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Peter,
With enough time Imron sets up fully rock hard in a month or so. The very
low temp bake (no more than 150) accels the initial reaction. But the deep
freeze finishes off the complete thew hardening. I sprayed the parts about
3 in the afternoon and baked a couple of hours and deep froze overnight.
Next morning you can't possible even try and make a findernail dent in the
paint. It's tough. Try it you'll like. Normally I don't bother to bake or
freeze, but I wanted these parts done so I could tap them on the axles the
next day.
Curt


> Hi Curt
> I used Imron 2 pack on my last R&V engine, great paint if your careful
> health wise.
> I usually bake my paint but what is the benefit of freezing it too??
>
> Peter, Oz
>
>
>
>
>> JB,
>> You are spot on! We are doing it all ourselves. This is supposed to be a
>> learning exercise for Devin.
>>
>> I took your lathe suggestion to heart. Just happened to have a piece of
>> thin wall tubing under the workbench and chucked in up in the 4 jaw
>> chuck
>> on Saturday. 5 hours later they were done and had a fresh coats of black
>> Imron on them. Cooked 'em in Missy's oven and then overnight in the deep
>> freeze and they look great and are ready to put on. I'll take a photo
>> and
>> post later.
>> Curt
>>
>>
>>>
>>> ---- Jim Kirkes <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> Why not just take it to somebody that does alignment work
>>>> and tell them to do it.  Kind of a speciality job anyway.  I
>>>> would not invest much in toosl that get used once and never
>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>
>>> Jim, this is a straight axle vehicle, only tool needed is a tape
>>> measure.
>>> I think he wants to do as much as he can himself.
>>> J.B. Castagnos
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From b2 at chooka.net  Tue Nov 18 06:29:00 2008
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:29:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] ebay
In-Reply-To: <BBC32BCE-D216-4355-976D-D9229447CB72@rustyiron.com>
References: <BBC32BCE-D216-4355-976D-D9229447CB72@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <92C993CAC8BC4163B6D35D3C5D1A7325@apluscomputer.local>

The engine will have a new home in Idaho.  I believe it's not my place to
mention names, the buyer can do that if he wants to.  I don't know that he's
a list member but he is apparently well known and respected in the
collecting community.

Thanks to Tommy for nudging me over the past few years to list this engine.
I wish I could have brought it back to life myself, but it seemed time move
this engine to someone who would make something out of it.

B?

Bill Brueck
   Chatfield, Minnesota, USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:54 AM
To: Stationary-Engine ATIS
Subject: [SEL] ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380078048359

Well?  Which of you are on your way to Rochester to pick up your new toy?








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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Nov 18 06:57:43 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:57:43 -0800
Subject: [SEL] ebay
In-Reply-To: <92C993CAC8BC4163B6D35D3C5D1A7325@apluscomputer.local>
References: <BBC32BCE-D216-4355-976D-D9229447CB72@rustyiron.com>
	<92C993CAC8BC4163B6D35D3C5D1A7325@apluscomputer.local>
Message-ID: <3B10B9C7-7C23-45FF-B763-402800C782E4@rustyiron.com>


On Nov 18, 2008, at 6:29 AM, Bill Brueck wrote:

> The engine will have a new home in Idaho.  I believe it's not my  
> place to
> mention names, the buyer can do that if he wants to.  I don't know  
> that he's
> a list member but he is apparently well known and respected in the
> collecting community.
>
> Thanks to Tommy for nudging me over the past few years to list this  
> engine.
> I wish I could have brought it back to life myself, but it seemed  
> time move
> this engine to someone who would make something out of it.



Hey, Bill.  I appreciate the opportunity just to see the pictures of  
this engine on ebay.  Thanks for rescuing her in the first place, and  
taking good care of her for all these years.

Rob










From FERO_AH at city-net.com  Tue Nov 18 16:27:06 2008
From: FERO_AH at city-net.com (FERO_AH at city-net.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:27:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Chanticleer Engine/now turkeys OT
In-Reply-To: <0F2283F8-F399-4469-991E-8E8A27F41F75@rustyiron.com>
References: <517362.46486.qm@web59210.mail.re1.yahoo.com><B334E2B8-E1B1-4C10-A6E5-9F2DE8238F79@rustyiron.com><47F569FE.6090904@scrtc.com>
	<001d01c89762$d30e7b70$0302a8c0@Carl>
	<20080427113130.C7C3EE31C9@mail05.chariot.net.au>
	<007301c8a884$7b542280$6701a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
	<F09682D4-85E8-4F89-9437-613F58378032@alltel.net>
	<4D7F6271-A00D-4156-AF8C-9233E967694A@rustyiron.com>
	<9D122EE0-77E9-421A-953B-600B6F5230FB@alltel.net>
	<0F2283F8-F399-4469-991E-8E8A27F41F75@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <1227054426.49235d5af3228@webmail.city-net.com>

Rob, 

It doesn't matter if Dave can.  The TOM can and so can the HEN.
And THAT is ultimately what really matters.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>:

> Do you  
> have turkeys in Pennsylvania?  Can you tell the difference between the  
> voice of a hen turkey and your so-called rooster turkey?




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 23:51:04 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:51:04 +0000
Subject: [SEL] More Onan Water-Cooled Gennies
Message-ID: <6f6025160811182351g4009e5a9g17b999ce7d31f34b@mail.gmail.com>

We have yet another Onan W3S (or similar) generator in the collection,
this one we first found out about at the Barleylands Essex County show
in September, but has taken a while to get back in touch with the
owner.

We were working halfway towards the guy's home, so after work
yesterday (we are working in an electricity sub-station feeding the
local railway) we went on down to Rayleigh in Essex to pick it up, got
back home about 20.30.

It is not complete, but all the main parts are there, April 1944 manufacture.

I'll be looking out for a F-M MJ-C magneto for it, the brush end
casting cover for the genny and an air filter complete.

Pictures soon.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 11:30:19 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:30:19 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
Message-ID: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>

Please note that both our main websites are closed down for the
foreseeable future.

Oldengine.co.uk will remain active.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 13:09:15 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:09:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] BAKER MONITOR CASTING
Message-ID: <002701c94a8b$14e7b990$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>


 Guten tag commrades !

 If anyone has a clue , respond to Coley or I will pass it on for ya  . He
hasnt made it up into the SEL backwaters of
the internet  yet . Hell mine all say GA 4-A

Chuck
///////////////////////////////////////////////
>
> From: "TOAD TOAD" <toady1900 at yahoo.com>
>
>
>>A FRIEND OF MINE HAS BOUGHT A BAKER UPRIGHT PUMP ENGINE, BUT IT HAS AN  " 
>>S"   CAST ON THE HOPPER AND FLYWHEEL AND ALL THE OTHER ONES WE HAVE SEEN 
>>HAVE THE SAME OTHER CASTING. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT 
>>WHAT THE S STOOD FOR. I AM A MEMBER OF SMOKSTAK AND WONDERED IF YOU ARE ON 
>>THERE UNDER THE KEROGAS NAME ALSO? I AM C-WADE7. PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
>> THANKS,
>> COLEY WADE
>>
>>
>>
> 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Nov 19 13:43:54 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:43:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com>

Why?  Doing your spring cleaning early?

Quoting Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>:

> Please note that both our main websites are closed down for the
> foreseeable future.
> 
> Oldengine.co.uk will remain active.




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Nov 19 15:09:53 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:09:53 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <92BECDA4-68DC-4768-9EEC-87C0A28C332C@rustyiron.com>


On Nov 19, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Listerdiesel wrote:

> Please note that both our main websites are closed down for the
> foreseeable future.

Peter, I told you that would happen if you were not more discreet
in promoting your "pay-by-the-minute" web cam business.




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 22:57:33 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:57:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
	<1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>

On 19/11/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Why?  Doing your spring cleaning early?

No, just p*ssed off with a guy swiping images and posting them on Photobucket.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Wed Nov 19 23:35:23 2008
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:35:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>	<1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4925133B.4010804@rustic-engines.com>

Would you be so kind as to provide a URL to one of the images *on* 
Photobucket that "guy" has posted.

Kindly,

Al Harris
Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Listerdiesel wrote:
> On 19/11/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>   
>> Why?  Doing your spring cleaning early?
>>     
>
> No, just p*ssed off with a guy swiping images and posting them on Photobucket.
>
> Peter
>   


From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Wed Nov 19 23:40:11 2008
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:40:11 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>	<1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4925145B.7050804@steamengine.com.au>

Just have him killed.

There are techniques to solve this. If your web server can be configured 
to check the referrer-id you can see if the load request has come from 
your page or directly.

Some people use javascript to download and display each photo - this way 
functionality like right-click-save does not work as the browser has no 
idea there is an image there.

Alternately, you can run a content management system (CMS) such as 
Joomla where you can set it up so that people have to register to access 
your site. You can approve the registration before they get access after 
satisfying yourself that they are real. I do this with our Scout web 
site to prevent deviants from capturing photos of the kids. In our 
system a person cannot register themselves, they have to be registered 
by the sysadmin - only active members of our troop and their parents are 
elligible.

Regards
Paul

Listerdiesel wrote:
> On 19/11/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>   
>> Why?  Doing your spring cleaning early?
>>     
>
> No, just p*ssed off with a guy swiping images and posting them on Photobucket.
>
> Peter
>   
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 
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>
>   



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Thu Nov 20 02:11:42 2008
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:11:42 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>	<1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492537DE.9090100@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Peter

I thought you had found a way of watermarking your images?

I got really annoyed when I found that someone had stolen some of my 
images ... someone who has loudly criticised the stealing of data from 
HIS website.  Then I decided that life was just too short to stress 
about these things.  I'm pretty happy with my various websites; I know 
that by putting them up at all I am releasing the information and images 
into the public domain.  As I don't have the resources of Disney or John 
Deere to trawl the Net finding instances of theft, I've decided to 
accept that there are lazy and dishonest people around ... but probably 
more who appreciate what I've done and find it useful or informative.  I 
think enough people ask to use my images to make it worth my while.

Dolly

Listerdiesel wrote:
> No, just p*ssed off with a guy swiping images and posting them on Photobucket.
>
> Peter
>   

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 05:43:58 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:43:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>	<1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com><6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>
	<492537DE.9090100@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001e01c94b16$0a631880$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>


 Then I decided that life was just too short to stress
> about these things.  I'm pretty happy with my various websites; I know
> that by putting them up at all I am releasing the information and images
> into the public domain.   >>>



Did you know Frank Zappa was buried without a headstone ?
 LOL ........Kinda like that , yeah .
When you are dead and gone ,eventually ,  all that will remain are your 
files .


Chuck Balyeat
http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 09:36:13 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:36:13 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <4925145B.7050804@steamengine.com.au>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
	<1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4925145B.7050804@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811200936v3829d9fckf3aa69b62e5abd85@mail.gmail.com>

On 20/11/2008, Paul Pavlinovich <pjp08 at steamengine.com.au> wrote:
> Just have him killed.

Liked that :-))

The problem is not so much that someone has downloaded a picture, or
that he has subsequently posted it on a public image forum, it is that
over the years we have tried to present the engine preservation
movement as a thinking and reasonable recipient and home for
manufacturer's data, where that data would not otherwise be made
available. There is still a lot of data available only in closed
archives that are not generally accessible to engine guys.

We agreed with David Harris that the information that he gave us for
the site would not be splashed around the place or used for commercial
reward, and I have kept to that. By and large, the majority of the
engine movement has also honoured that unspoken but understood
agreement.

Whether it was digitally watermarked or not, and the very early stuff
wasn't, it is the attitude of the guy in particular that made me so
bl**dy mad, and still does. The images in question are not generally
available, although these days there are probably other copies
available that have originated with our site. The guy said that he had
the manuals for the engine in question and that the pictures were in
there, which they are not. The images are the original Lister factory
data sheets, copies of which are just not around, and I had to borrow
David's copies to get them scanned.

I don't 'need' the hassle quite frankly, it would be just as easy to
wipe the whole thing and save myself a few thousand bucks a year in
the process.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Nov 20 09:46:27 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:46:27 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811200936v3829d9fckf3aa69b62e5abd85@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
	<1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4925145B.7050804@steamengine.com.au>
	<6f6025160811200936v3829d9fckf3aa69b62e5abd85@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9178B42D-DCD4-4310-9383-5F4CF670A7B0@rustyiron.com>


On Nov 20, 2008, at 9:36 AM, Listerdiesel wrote:
>
> The problem is not so much that someone has downloaded a picture, or
> that he has subsequently posted it on a public image forum, it is that

Well, Peter, rather than letting the guy sit there comfortably in  
anonymity, why not out him?  Post the URL, his name, his email  
address, and whatever else you know about the guy.  Who knows?  Maybe  
he'll have a change of heart.




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 10:29:22 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:29:22 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <9178B42D-DCD4-4310-9383-5F4CF670A7B0@rustyiron.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
	<1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4925145B.7050804@steamengine.com.au>
	<6f6025160811200936v3829d9fckf3aa69b62e5abd85@mail.gmail.com>
	<9178B42D-DCD4-4310-9383-5F4CF670A7B0@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811201029j114e0cfal542559359f977e6d@mail.gmail.com>

On 20/11/2008, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> Well, Peter, rather than letting the guy sit there comfortably in
> anonymity, why not out him?  Post the URL, his name, his email
> address, and whatever else you know about the guy.  Who knows?  Maybe
> he'll have a change of heart.

No, that's not my way of doing things, and this is the mentality that
we are dealing with, so a change of mind is most unlikely, he is
enjoying his bit of publicity:


"Well someone is sure full of himself, you think your the only one in
the world with lister information? Your not the Lister god.No one here
has asked me to remove the information.
If your not willing to share it then why bother having a web page with
it available. Go cry in your cerial , maybe change your diaper and
have a nap, you might feel better.
My goal was to share some pictures and information about my lister
project, and all it has done is made everyone a bunch of childern that
wont share. Its too bad you are so petty about this situation."

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 12:15:16 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:15:16 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: A bit of Humour to Cheer us all up
Message-ID: <6f6025160811201215s2c4a9dbdn5ca5128c5f228967@mail.gmail.com>

>From Martin Perman this evening:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
52 things you would love to say out loud at work


1. I can see your point, but I still think you're full of sh*t.

2. I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce.

3. How about never? Is never good for you?

4. I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in
public.

5. I'm really easy to get along with once you people learn to see it my
way.

6. Who lit the fuse on your tampon?

7. I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message.

8. I don't work here. I'm a consultant.

9. It sounds like English, but I can't understand a word you're saying.

10. Ahhhh. I see the f ***-up fairy has visited us again.

11. I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.

12. You are validating my inherent mistrust of strangers.

13. I have plenty of talent and vision; I just don't give a sh*t.

14. I'm already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth.

15. I will always cherish the initial misconceptions I had about you.

16. Thank you. We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of
view.

17. The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist.

18. Any resemblance between your reality and mine are purely coincidental.

19. What am I? Flypaper for freaks?!!!!

20. I'm not being rude. You're just insignificant.

21. It's a thankless job, but I've got a lot of Karma to burn off.

22. Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial.

23. And your cry-baby whiny-arsed opinion would be?

24. Do I look like a f****** people person to you?

25. This isn't an office. It's Hell with fluorescent lighting.

26. I started out with nothing and I still have most of it left.

27. Sarcasm is just one more service we offer.

28. If I throw a stick, will you leave?

29. Errors have been made. Others will be blamed.

30. Whatever kind of look you were aiming for, you missed.

31. Oh I get it. Like humour, but different.........

32. An office is just a mental institute without the padded walls.

33. Can I swap this job for what's behind door .........1?

34. Too many freaks, not enough circuses.!!!

35. Nice perfume (or aftershave). Must you marinate in it?

36. Chaos, panic, and disorder. My work here is done.

37. How do I set a laser printer to stun?

38. I thought I wanted a career; it turns out I just needed the money.

39. I'll try being nicer if you'll try being more intelligent.

40. Wait a minute - I'm trying to imagine you with a personality.

41. Aren't you a black hole of need.

42. I'd like to help you out, which way did you come in?

43. Did you eat an extra bowl of stupid this morning?

44. Why don't you slip into something more comfortable? Like a coma.

45. If you have something to say raise your hand.........then place it over
your mouth.

46. I'm too busy, can I ignore you some other time?

47. Don't let your mind wander, its too small to be let out on its own.

48. Have a nice day, somewhere else.

49. You're not yourself today, I noticed the improvement straight away.

50. You are as pretty as a picture, I'd really like to hang you.

51. Don't believe everything you think. =)

52. Do you hear that? That's the sound of no-one caring.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Peter



-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Nov 20 13:19:24 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:19:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811201029j114e0cfal542559359f977e6d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
	<1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4925145B.7050804@steamengine.com.au>
	<6f6025160811200936v3829d9fckf3aa69b62e5abd85@mail.gmail.com>
	<9178B42D-DCD4-4310-9383-5F4CF670A7B0@rustyiron.com>
	<6f6025160811201029j114e0cfal542559359f977e6d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1227215964.4925d45c08ed8@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey Rob,

The guy's a fuckwit that can't write with a Lister project.  How hard would he
be to find on the web?  Mebbie he's a denizen of the British newsgroup?

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>:

> No, that's not my way of doing things, and this is the mentality that
> we are dealing with, so a change of mind is most unlikely, he is
> enjoying his bit of publicity:
> 
> "Well someone is sure full of himself, you think your the only one in
> the world with lister information? Your not the Lister god.No one here
> has asked me to remove the information.
> If your not willing to share it then why bother having a web page with
> it available. Go cry in your cerial , maybe change your diaper and
> have a nap, you might feel better.
> My goal was to share some pictures and information about my lister
> project, and all it has done is made everyone a bunch of childern that
> wont share. Its too bad you are so petty about this situation."




From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 14:06:53 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:06:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com><1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com><6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com><4925145B.7050804@steamengine.com.au><6f6025160811200936v3829d9fckf3aa69b62e5abd85@mail.gmail.com><9178B42D-DCD4-4310-9383-5F4CF670A7B0@rustyiron.com><6f6025160811201029j114e0cfal542559359f977e6d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1227215964.4925d45c08ed8@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000401c94b5c$4c216060$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>


>> "Well someone is sure full of himself, you think your the only one in
>> the world with lister information? Your not the Lister god. 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19980505/

Hubris , would be the technical term for that .


Chuck






From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Nov 20 14:36:47 2008
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:36:47 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT: A bit of Humour to Cheer us all up
Message-ID: <bc4.3955d38d.3657407f@aol.com>

Thanks.
 
 
In a message dated 11/20/2008 12:25:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
listerdiesel at gmail.com writes:

52  things you would love to say out loud at work  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA  93454


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From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Nov 20 15:19:16 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:19:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT: A bit of Humour to Cheer us all up
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811201215s2c4a9dbdn5ca5128c5f228967@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEHMHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

I suppose it's normal that, during my career, I've probably (mostly silently) thought most of those 52 little things.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 02:15 PM
> To: Stationary-Engine; The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] OT: A bit of Humour to Cheer us all up




From elidas at aol.com  Thu Nov 20 19:18:40 2008
From: elidas at aol.com (elidas at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:18:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: A bit of Humour to Cheer us all up
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEHMHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <8CB199EFC2A66F5-13F0-112A@WEBMAIL-MZ19.sysops.aol.com>







Peter:

I suppose it's normal that, during my career, I've probably (mostly 
silently)
thought most of those 52 little things.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

  The fact I've said most of those things NOT so silently explains alot.


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 00:36:50 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:36:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811210036s5c076570od01e4688a57454a2@mail.gmail.com>

On 19/11/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:

FWIW here is the thread that caused the problem:

http://listerengine.com/smf/index.php?topic=3987.0

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Fri Nov 21 01:15:00 2008
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:15:00 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811210036s5c076570od01e4688a57454a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160811210036s5c076570od01e4688a57454a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49267C14.1020508@rustic-engines.com>

Quite interesting Peter.

"compig" certainly had his snout in the trough eh .. gawd almighty, a 
senior member, with apparently, no ethics.

BTW peoples, I've just been shonked for the third time on eBay by "not 
so honest" sellers. As soon as a couple of outstanding items arrive I 
will be terminating my account, never to return. It's not worth it IMHO.

Cheers,

Al Harris
Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Listerdiesel wrote:
> On 19/11/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> FWIW here is the thread that caused the problem:
>
> http://listerengine.com/smf/index.php?topic=3987.0
>
> Peter
>   


From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Fri Nov 21 01:21:10 2008
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:21:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811210036s5c076570od01e4688a57454a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160811210036s5c076570od01e4688a57454a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49267D86.5070006@rustic-engines.com>

Quite interesting Peter.

"compig" certainly had his snout in the trough eh .. gawd
almighty, a
senior member, with apparently, no ethics.

Correction:  should read "Full Member".


BTW peoples, I've just been shonked for the third time on eBay
by "not
so honest" sellers. As soon as a couple of outstanding items
arrive I
will be terminating my account, never to return. It's not
worth it IMHO.

Cheers,

Al Harris
Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Listerdiesel wrote:
> On 19/11/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> FWIW here is the thread that caused the problem:
> 
> http://listerengine.com/smf/index.php?topic=3987.0
> 
> Peter
> 



From jmackess at twcny.rr.com  Fri Nov 21 04:49:56 2008
From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:49:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160811210036s5c076570od01e4688a57454a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401c94bd7$a8988730$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04>

Peter;
     Just a note to take care of some internet ettiquette I have long
neglected:
     Thank you for sharing the information on your web site. I don't own a
Lister or a Petter, but your thread charts helped me through the restoration
of some Stuart steam engine models I have. I am, I am sure, just one of
thousands who have benefitted from your sharing of the information on your
web site. Too often we use the information offered by others without thanks.
     That being said, I would never dream of downloading content from
other's sites to post on my site or album without permission, and I hope a
majority of your site's readers feel the same, but there will always be a
few with a "ghetto" mentality and attitude who feel they can do "whatever"
and then not make things right when they're called out on it. I hope you
will forget this idiot and know that the vast majority of us appreciate your
efforts and insights that have graced these forums and the internet for a
long time now! Thanks again, and all the best to you and yours!
Jim Mackessy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "Jim Dunmyer" <jdunmyer at toltbbs.com>; "Stationary-Engine"
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "The SEL email discussion list"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down


> On 19/11/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> FWIW here is the thread that caused the problem:
>
> http://listerengine.com/smf/index.php?topic=3987.0
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Nov 21 21:24:39 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:24:39 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
Message-ID: <491243A9159E4275BA5F163679C0CE2A@PML>

Thanks to Cam, here are some pics from the Bombala rally from a couple of
weeks ago:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 22 07:27:45 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:27:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <491243A9159E4275BA5F163679C0CE2A@PML>
Message-ID: <897761.67026.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Patrick and Cam.
Please keep them coming.
I love that we are from all over the world.
Now that shows here are down for the Winter I just got a nice "fix" 
from those pictures.

I especially enjoyed the ones with an engine belted up to something.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 11/22/08, Patrick M Livingstone <pml1 at bigpond.net.au> wrote:

> From: Patrick M Livingstone <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
> To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>, "Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 12:24 AM
> Thanks to Cam, here are some pics from the Bombala rally
> from a couple of
> weeks ago:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm
> 
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Nov 22 12:52:21 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:52:21 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081122225033.00c36300@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi guys,
         Sorry for yet another O.T. post but, seeing as that I'm the only 
active South African member of the list, you gotta read this:
<http://sport.iafrica.com/rugby/news/1324941.htm

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From obise at moscow.com  Sat Nov 22 13:53:25 2008
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:53:25 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081122225033.00c36300@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <200811222153.mAMLrX8V040852@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Thank you for the link, Jerry!  That was a delightful read!  Good on ya!

:-)

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 12:52 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic

Hi guys,
         Sorry for yet another O.T. post but, seeing as that I'm the only 
active South African member of the list, you gotta read this:
<http://sport.iafrica.com/rugby/news/1324941.htm

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>



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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sat Nov 22 14:52:03 2008
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:52:03 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081122225033.00c36300@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <390D8F22468C4AFCBC7F9FC38395B63F@your9e74d7efa7>

Sorry to deflate you Jerry....but there is a formidable pair to come up 
against yet ,the Wallabies and the All Blacks.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 5:52 AM
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic


> Hi guys,
>         Sorry for yet another O.T. post but, seeing as that I'm the only
> active South African member of the list, you gotta read this:
> <http://sport.iafrica.com/rugby/news/1324941.htm
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Nov 22 16:08:37 2008
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:08:37 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081122225033.00c36300@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <9239F390F83048CD9E3777B5023A0D84@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Jerry,
    Good on you, you beat us also this time but today's result was excellent 
as far as we were concerned. A record defeat for the English I think?
Cheers, Craig in a triumphant Scotland
P.S : We beat the Canadians
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:52 PM
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic


> Hi guys,
>         Sorry for yet another O.T. post but, seeing as that I'm the only
> active South African member of the list, you gotta read this:
> <http://sport.iafrica.com/rugby/news/1324941.htm
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Nov 22 16:36:33 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:36:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081122225033.00c36300@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081122225033.00c36300@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <1227400593.4928a5913a197@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey Jerry,

Congrats to all the fans in SA on a great win.  
But I do have a question...
What the hell sport are they playing?

When I look at the pic that's with the article I see that the player is wearing
a girlie-helmet like an American football player.  But he's also wearing shorts
like a proper footie or rugby player.

Please help out a very confused Yank here.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>:

>          Sorry for yet another O.T. post but, seeing as that I'm the only 
> active South African member of the list, you gotta read this:
> <http://sport.iafrica.com/rugby/news/1324941.htm




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 22:49:36 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:49:36 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811222249j77618896qc0f80f6bbb25ec45@mail.gmail.com>

On 19/11/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:

The sites are back online, with the Lister and Petter data sections
disabled until we get all the images etc checked for
watermarking/copyright.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From Jim at hardmanfamily.net  Sun Nov 23 04:42:31 2008
From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:42:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811222249j77618896qc0f80f6bbb25ec45@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160811222249j77618896qc0f80f6bbb25ec45@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B2AFD9322A8D4EA29FB1CFB0C7C3F3D4@JamesDesktop>

Peter,

Thanks for enabling your website images.  Speaking for lots of us who 
"attend" distant meets via the internet, you are appreciated.  Not only are 
your pictures in large format, they are of high quality.

Don't let a few low lifes twist your tail.

Happy Thanksgiving to all...

Jim Hardman in Vermont
Where it is really cold and snowing. 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Nov 23 07:29:06 2008
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:29:06 EST
Subject: [SEL] engine display
Message-ID: <d30.4362a79a.365ad0c2@aol.com>


This would make a nice belted engine display with all the workings out in  
the open for all to see.
 
_http://cgi.ebay.com/Double-Corn-Husker_W0QQitemZ130270123794QQcmdZViewItemQQp
tZFolk_Art?hash=item130270123794&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66
%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318   


_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/Double-Corn-Husker_W0QQitemZ130270123794QQcmdZViewItemQQptZFolk_Art?hash=item130270123794&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72:1205|66:2
|65:12|39:1|240:1318) 

Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
**************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, 
and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com 
today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp
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From jmackess at twcny.rr.com  Sun Nov 23 10:34:56 2008
From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:34:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160811222249j77618896qc0f80f6bbb25ec45@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801c94d9a$2f1afd10$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04>

Thank You, Peter! I'm glad to hear that one of the "best of the best" will
still be helping us all.
Best Regards;
Jim Mackessy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "Jim Dunmyer" <jdunmyer at toltbbs.com>; "Stationary-Engine"
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "The SEL email discussion list"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down


> On 19/11/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The sites are back online, with the Lister and Petter data sections
> disabled until we get all the images etc checked for
> watermarking/copyright.
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
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From ashpow at westnet.com.au  Sun Nov 23 12:16:32 2008
From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (Ash Powell)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:16:32 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Getting my first engines!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1227459602.28107.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.3.1227459602.28107.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <32429955933A48EEBE5C14A48C8A3C9A@MINIBEAST>

Hey all,

Well ive been lurking for a while now while I found some engines, finally 
had some luck!

Ill be getting an International "M" 3hp, a Lister "D" and a Ronaldson & 
Tippet "N" (parts only apparently for the R&T)
Ive got hold of another one of a different bloke too but I cant remember the 
model.. ;p)

Transport is my first step..
How heavy are these things?
Im planning to carry them on a trayback Hilux ute, does this sound feasible?

Any info or advice you could offer on these engines would be great.
Really looking forward to making a start here after searching for so long. 
;p)

Cheers,
Ash 



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Sun Nov 23 12:39:33 2008
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:39:33 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Getting my first engines!
In-Reply-To: <32429955933A48EEBE5C14A48C8A3C9A@MINIBEAST>
References: <mailman.3.1227459602.28107.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<32429955933A48EEBE5C14A48C8A3C9A@MINIBEAST>
Message-ID: <48EB68316A3148F29D44862B4C920E4C@KerryPC>

G'Day Ash

Welcome to the list, well done on getting your first engines, but you will 
now get the dreaded disease and have to get more :-))
The Hilux will have no problems on carrying all three.
Make sure the M and the D has their magnetos and carbs
Getting manuals for all three is no problems see.  http://rallybadges.com/
Where in Oz are you

Kerry
Lithgow NSW Oz
Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/



> Hey all,
>
> Well ive been lurking for a while now while I found some engines, finally
> had some luck!
>
> Ill be getting an International "M" 3hp, a Lister "D" and a Ronaldson &
> Tippet "N" (parts only apparently for the R&T)
> Ive got hold of another one of a different bloke too but I cant remember 
> the
> model.. ;p)
>
> Transport is my first step..
> How heavy are these things?
> Im planning to carry them on a trayback Hilux ute, does this sound 
> feasible?
>
> Any info or advice you could offer on these engines would be great.
> Really looking forward to making a start here after searching for so long.
> ;p)
>
> Cheers,
> Ash
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 23 12:43:46 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:43:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] engine display
In-Reply-To: <d30.4362a79a.365ad0c2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <335964.5089.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

And the corn would be flying everywhere.
Alan

--- On Sun, 11/23/08, Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:

> From: Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com>
> Subject: [SEL] engine display
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 10:29 AM
> This would make a nice belted engine display with all the
> workings out in  
> the open for all to see.
>  
> _http://cgi.ebay.com/Double-Corn-Husker_W0QQitemZ130270123794QQcmdZViewItemQQp
> tZFolk_Art?hash=item130270123794&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66
> %3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318   
> 
> 
> _ 
> (http://cgi.ebay.com/Double-Corn-Husker_W0QQitemZ130270123794QQcmdZViewItemQQptZFolk_Art?hash=item130270123794&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72:1205|66:2
> |65:12|39:1|240:1318) 
> 
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> **************One site has it all. Your email accounts,
> your social networks, 
> and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com 
> today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp
> %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001)
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Nov 23 12:52:02 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:52:02 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Getting my first engines!
References: <mailman.3.1227459602.28107.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<32429955933A48EEBE5C14A48C8A3C9A@MINIBEAST>
Message-ID: <5099F6ED24C54C0EA5803889416274B2@PETER>

Hi Ash

No problems with the Hi-Lux mate, cruising.

Peter, Oz




> Hey all,
>
> Well ive been lurking for a while now while I found some engines, finally
> had some luck!
>
> Ill be getting an International "M" 3hp, a Lister "D" and a Ronaldson &
> Tippet "N" (parts only apparently for the R&T)
> Ive got hold of another one of a different bloke too but I cant remember 
> the
> model.. ;p)
>
> Transport is my first step..
> How heavy are these things?
> Im planning to carry them on a trayback Hilux ute, does this sound 
> feasible?
>
> Any info or advice you could offer on these engines would be great.
> Really looking forward to making a start here after searching for so long.
> ;p)
>
> Cheers,
> Ash
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Nov 23 13:10:51 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:10:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Getting my first engines!
In-Reply-To: <32429955933A48EEBE5C14A48C8A3C9A@MINIBEAST>
References: <mailman.3.1227459602.28107.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<32429955933A48EEBE5C14A48C8A3C9A@MINIBEAST>
Message-ID: <1227474651.4929c6db495a4@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Ash,

WELCOME to the list and to an addictive hobby.

You've made some excellent choices for your first engines.  There's a ton of
info, parts, advice, etc. available on the IHC "M" and on the Lister "D".  I
don't know anything about the R&T.  With engines like that you can learn all of
the basics of doing a restoration (of whatever kind suits you), getting the
engines running well, and most importantly, taking your engines out to rallies
where you get to jaw with your mates, drink beer, and watch the pretty sheilias
stroll by.  I assume that you lot have shelias at your rallies?  8-))

As to the type of restoration, after doing up the mechanical bits so that it
runs well, your next decision is cosmetics.  There their tends to be two
schools of thought; keep it in it's "working clothes" with maybe a spritz of an
oil/kero mix or boiled linseed oil to bring up the color and give it just a bit
of shine, or sandblast and do a full gloss paint job.  Personally, I lean
toward the former.  If, as time passes, you can't abide how she looks, you can
always sandblast and paint.  But you can't "unrestore" that full gloss paint
job.

Two pieces of advice.  Put your engines on trollys.  Shifting this heavy old
iron around when it's on skids is just plain WORK.  Second, be prepared to
house MORE old engines.  When left alone in your shed, the things breed like
your boody Aussie rabbits!  Today you have three.  Next year at this time
you'll have 30!  Trust me on this point.  8-))

I'd like to welcome you to the list and to the hobby by offering you a present.

If you'll send me your snail mail address (off list) I'll mail you a copy of a
really neat color advert that I have for the IHC "M".  It's two sheets (each
11"x17") that discuss the unique features of the "M" and how it works to help
the farmer make his farm operation more profitable.  If you laminate them it
makes a great addition to your rally field exhibit and helps the punters to
understand what these old engines were all about and what they did when they
were working for a living.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA USA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting Ash Powell <ashpow at westnet.com.au>:

> Well ive been lurking for a while now while I found some engines, finally 
> had some luck!
> 
> Ill be getting an International "M" 3hp, a Lister "D" and a Ronaldson & 
> Tippet "N" (parts only apparently for the R&T)




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 13:13:24 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:13:24 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Wanted: Magneto, F-M J 2-Cylinder
Message-ID: <6f6025160811231313w30bd4b7en1280f488a1230dc0@mail.gmail.com>

Looking for a Fairbanks-Morse FM-J magneto, number on the side should be:

JFE 2B 69A

That is a flange-mounted, radio shielded plug leads, jump-spark
magneto for Onan W series engines. The 69 is Onan's maker code, the E
is radio shielded, B is flange mount, 2 is the number of cylinders.

We have two engines without magnetos, so any non-working ones would be
useful as well, or any used parts that are good. Ship to AZ or MI or
direct to the UK, all shipping expenses paid plus the magneto cost.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Nov 23 13:49:03 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:49:03 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 56, Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1227459602.28107.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081123234625.00c2e630@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 23/11/2008, you wrote:
>Message: 4
>Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:08:37 -0000
>From: "craig morrison" <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Totally off topic
>
>Jerry,
>     Good on you, you beat us also this time but today's result was excellent
>as far as we were concerned. A record defeat for the English I think?
>Cheers, Craig in a triumphant Scotland.

Hi Craig,
         You must be that Scottish sports fan who, when asked which team he 
supported answered - whichever one is playing against England :-)


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Nov 23 13:51:43 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:51:43 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1227459602.28107.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081123234922.00c43a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 23/11/2008, you wrote:
>Message: 3
>Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:52:03 +0900
>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Totally off topic
>
>Sorry to deflate you Jerry....but there is a formidable pair to come up
>against yet ,the Wallabies and the All Blacks.

I know Peter, I know. The game may have started up north but its the guys 
in the Southern Hemisphere who rule today.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Nov 23 21:06:19 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:06:19 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Getting my first engines!
In-Reply-To: <32429955933A48EEBE5C14A48C8A3C9A@MINIBEAST>
References: <mailman.3.1227459602.28107.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<32429955933A48EEBE5C14A48C8A3C9A@MINIBEAST>
Message-ID: <4F47399B890D4565A78BC0C4514F2505@PML>

Hi Ash,
	Congratulations on getting some engines. The Hilux will have no
trouble carrying the engines but you will need some help to lift them up
onto the tray. There is always a fair bit of weight in even the smallest
engine.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

-----Original Message-----


Hey all,

Well ive been lurking for a while now while I found some engines, finally 
had some luck!

Ill be getting an International "M" 3hp, a Lister "D" and a Ronaldson & 
Tippet "N" (parts only apparently for the R&T)
Ive got hold of another one of a different bloke too but I cant remember the

model.. ;p)

Transport is my first step..
How heavy are these things?
Im planning to carry them on a trayback Hilux ute, does this sound feasible?

Any info or advice you could offer on these engines would be great.
Really looking forward to making a start here after searching for so long. 
;p)

Cheers,
Ash 




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 04:51:14 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:51:14 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Wanted: Pair of old Panel Meters for a Searchlight
	Generator
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811121042rf5c9ab8r56bf5bbb8237a66c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811121042rf5c9ab8r56bf5bbb8237a66c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811240451i65ced29alaf8009d31e64947a@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/11/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> We got the old Petter PU8 genny engine running today, had to change
> the magneto as the original had been got at and reassembled with the
> timing wrong :-((

We received a pair of Sangamo Weston panel meters this morning, from
Kim Siddorn in Bristol. As near what we wanted as makes no difference,
just need to re-print the correct scales or adapt the old ones,
whichever is easier.

Many thanks for everyone's help on this one, both on and off-list, it
was very much appreciated.

Hope to have the PU8 searchlight genny at Nuenen next year, along with
a couple of the Onans and a couple of Philip's BSA gennies, sort of
Maytag sized things but they are 4-stroke and have a genny attached -
see:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08468.htm

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 24 06:12:17 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:12:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081123234922.00c43a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081123234922.00c43a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <1227535937.492ab641aa85a@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Jerry,

Why is that do you reckon?

Arnie

Quoting Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>:

> >From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> >
> >Sorry to deflate you Jerry....but there is a formidable pair to come up
> >against yet ,the Wallabies and the All Blacks.
> 
> I know Peter, I know. The game may have started up north but its the guys 
> in the Southern Hemisphere who rule today.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 24 07:03:45 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:03:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Getting my first engines!
In-Reply-To: <4F47399B890D4565A78BC0C4514F2505@PML>
References: <mailman.3.1227459602.28107.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<32429955933A48EEBE5C14A48C8A3C9A@MINIBEAST>
	<4F47399B890D4565A78BC0C4514F2505@PML>
Message-ID: <1227539025.492ac2512f8e3@webmail.city-net.com>

Ash,  Take a bit of advice from an old guy.  Put your engines on wheels.
Get some ramps.  Get a winch or a come-along.  Man invented tools to ease life's
burdens.  Use 'em.  8-))  See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Patrick M Livingstone <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>:

> 	Congratulations on getting some engines. The Hilux will have no
> trouble carrying the engines but you will need some help to lift them up
> onto the tray. There is always a fair bit of weight in even the smallest
> engine.




From enginepaul at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 08:50:47 2008
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:50:47 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic
In-Reply-To: <1227535937.492ab641aa85a@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081123234922.00c43a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<1227535937.492ab641aa85a@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0811240850i48dbc6c3odd232e705544999c@mail.gmail.com>

Jerry:

Congratulations. I don't know what a rugby is, but apparently your boys do.

Paul, in San Francisco


From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 11:21:45 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:21:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081123234922.00c43a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1227535937.492ab641aa85a@webmail.city-net.com>
	<8d3c36fb0811240850i48dbc6c3odd232e705544999c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007a01c94e69$e430dd30$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

>  I don't know what a rugby is, but apparently your boys do.>>
>>>>>
Is it anything like rugburn  ? 



c
 


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 13:18:38 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:18:38 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Bob Blessed?
Message-ID: <6f6025160811241318l77b198efj7f0935e23fcfbddc@mail.gmail.com>

Should I remember this name?

It's been nagging at the back of my mind for a couple of weeks,
possibly in connection with the old Indiana.edu mailing list.

It was part of either someone's sign-off sentence or signature or whatever.

Can someone put me out of my misery please?

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 13:31:32 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:31:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bob Blessed?
References: <6f6025160811241318l77b198efj7f0935e23fcfbddc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002401c94e7c$05a4fde0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>


Bob Learned ,     
 better to be thought a fool , 
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt 


>>>>>>>>
> Can someone put me out of my misery please?
>
If it comes to that , yes . 
 


From ddotto at cableone.net  Mon Nov 24 14:06:57 2008
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:06:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bob Blessed?
In-Reply-To: <002401c94e7c$05a4fde0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <8C45A15C3158450E94BA7E67438B29E0@SHOP>

I thought it was;
"A closed mouth gathers no feet"

Dave

Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Balyeat
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:32 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bob Blessed?


Bob Learned ,     
 better to be thought a fool , 
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt 


>>>>>>>>
> Can someone put me out of my misery please?
>
If it comes to that , yes . 
 
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From ilifa at internode.on.net  Mon Nov 24 14:30:30 2008
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:30:30 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bob Blessed?
In-Reply-To: <002401c94e7c$05a4fde0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
References: <6f6025160811241318l77b198efj7f0935e23fcfbddc@mail.gmail.com>
	<002401c94e7c$05a4fde0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <F469C9D1-2812-4CEA-BD13-0D5799A9E2BF@internode.on.net>

> Bob Learned ,
> better to be thought a fool ,
> than to open your mouth and remove all doubt


The full quote is:

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool that to speak and  
remove all doubt."

I'm speaking from experience!

Eric




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Mon Nov 24 14:32:48 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:32:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Field Brundage ignition
Message-ID: <20081124223244.C11D24C8CA9@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

I have an old "Field" 12 hp. Engine that the original igniter ignition was
changed to spark plug. It looks like a professional modification or maybe
Factory even. The end of the side-shaft had a timer assembly on it which is
broken beyond recognition. I'm hoping that it isn't a one-off example and
other examples have survived. If anyone has one or pictures of any ,I could
use your help .Eventually, I'll have the igniter and trip assembly
remanufactured, but for now I just want to make smoke. Thanks in advance,
Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. USA. 415 892 0236

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Nov 24 14:56:25 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:56:25 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1227546002.8534.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081125004559.00c596d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 24/11/2008, you wrote:
>Message: 12
>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:12:17 -0500
>From: fero_ah at city-net.com
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Totally off topic
>
>Hi Jerry,
>Why is that do you reckon?
>Arnie
>Quoting Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>:
>
> > >From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> > >Sorry to deflate you Jerry....but there is a formidable pair to come up
> > >against yet ,the Wallabies and the All Blacks.
> > I know Peter, I know. The game may have started up north but its the guys
> > in the Southern Hemisphere who rule today.

Balls Arnie - Bloody Great Big Balls - made of leather! <big grin>

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Nov 24 15:21:21 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:21:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Field Brundage ignition
References: <20081124223244.C11D24C8CA9@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <25837C84363B4FC1A9EE689DC74B5B27@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Jimmy,
    If you haven't seen this video, here is a Youtube of a nice Field 
engine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnziGE2j95E

    Post some photos of that old hunk of iron like I saw in the wild.  Then 
post some after photos.  I can't wait to see it run.

Tommy



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:32 PM
Subject: [SEL] Field Brundage ignition


>I have an old "Field" 12 hp. Engine that the original igniter ignition was
> changed to spark plug. It looks like a professional modification or maybe
> Factory even. The end of the side-shaft had a timer assembly on it which 
> is
> broken beyond recognition. I'm hoping that it isn't a one-off example and
> other examples have survived. If anyone has one or pictures of any ,I 
> could
> use your help .Eventually, I'll have the igniter and trip assembly
> remanufactured, but for now I just want to make smoke. Thanks in advance,
> Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. USA. 415 892 0236
>
>
>
> Jim O'Hagan
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Nov 24 17:00:14 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:00:14 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic/now even more
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1227546002.8534.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081125005657.02351488@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 24/11/2008, you wrote:
>Message: 14
>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:50:47 -0800
>From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Totally off topic
>Jerry:
>Congratulations. I don't know what a rugby is, but apparently your boys do.
>Paul, in San Francisco


         (This post has absolutely nothing to do with engines and I, once 
again apologise for starting it but it could be construed as very bad 
manners to not answer any replies to the original post - so, anyone on the 
list who would not like to read it is at liberty to use their "delete" key).
Hi Paul,
         Thanks for the reply. It's not "a" rugby - it's rugby. It's a 
sport started when a chappie at Rugby College (or school ?) in England 
called William Webb Ellis picked up a soccer ball (football) and ran with 
it in his arms to the goal line (It's illegal in "soccer" or "football" to 
handle the ball with your hands - that's why "soccer" is called "football" 
- it's all about control of the ball using your feet and body - you may not 
touch the ball with your hands). Anyway someone thought that it was a good 
idea to be allowed to pick up the ball and run with it and this sport was 
born. I was originally called "Rugby Football" but eventually the name was 
shortened  to"Rugby" and universally accepted
         It bears a slight resemblance to what you guys in the USA call 
"American Football". There are many differences in the game but the main 
ones are.
         1) Rugby is played by "real men" not "prima donnas" (but my Aussie 
friends may disagree when they think of Percy Montgomery).
         2)They are usually big, dirty(as in "attitude" - not necessarily 
"lack of soap"), tough, ugly (again, ugly as in attitude - not necessarily 
in looks) guys and they do not wear all sorts of protective equipment 
(scrum caps are allowed in deference to their later "sex life" - how many 
"chicks" do you know who would be prepared to "suck" a "cauliflower 
ear"?)  (For those List Members who are "humorously challenged" - that was 
a joke! - remember the delete key).
         2) The game is played by big tough guys with big tough balls. 
These are oval shaped and made from well seasoned leather:-). They only use 
one ball per game. (??)
         3) There are many more rules to the game but, mostly, these are 
ignored by the players.

         South Africa are the current world rugby champions but that is 
only because our previous coach decided to ignore government directives and 
selected players "on merit" as opposed to "by colour". He was "got rid of" 
just after we won the World Cup last year (we cannot have these 
rascists  now can we). He was replaced by someone of a colour "more 
acceptable" to government. Luckily our team still seems to remember his 
coaching and we are still doing quite well but we do not know how long this 
will last. ( For those List Members who are "humorously challenged" - this 
is NOT a joke!).

         The main rugby playing nations of the world are: Argentina, 
Australia, Great Britain (including England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales), 
France, South Africa and New Zealand. There are others.

         Our main opponents are Australia, England and New Zealand and a 
healthy "rivalry" exists between us.

         For my part, I support my own country first and then Aus. and New 
Zealand when they play anyone from the Northern Hemisphere. (Almost like 
the Scots who support "whoever is playing against England").

         O.K. Guys, I started this "off topic" discussion so it's best if I 
end it as well so this will be my "last post" on the subject.
         I apologise if I've offended anyone but the list has been fairly 
quiet lately (I mean, Maytags as a "boat anchor" !!!!! - what kind of 
subject is that for discussion????).
          I only know of 2 list members who would support that kind of 
notion. but I'll not mention any names .
         By the way Dave and Arnie, did I mention that I picked up another 
Maytag recently ? <grin>.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Nov 24 17:05:46 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:05:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bob Blessed?
In-Reply-To: <F469C9D1-2812-4CEA-BD13-0D5799A9E2BF@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Sorta like the 'ol two-step procedure:

Step One: Open mouth.
Step Two: Insert foot.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Eric Schulz
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 04:31 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Bob Blessed?
> 
> 
> > Bob Learned ,
> > better to be thought a fool ,
> > than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
> 
> 
> The full quote is:
> 
> "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool 
> that to speak and  
> remove all doubt."
> 
> I'm speaking from experience!
> 
> Eric




From gastzt at aol.com  Mon Nov 24 17:16:32 2008
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:16:32 EST
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic/now even more
Message-ID: <bf9.4e3be727.365cabf0@aol.com>

They had big tough balls?  GOSH  ha
  Stan
 
 
In a message dated 11/24/2008 7:05:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

At 07:00  PM 24/11/2008, you wrote:
>Message: 14
>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008  08:50:47 -0800
>From: "P. Johns"  <enginepaul at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Totally off  topic
>Jerry:
>Congratulations. I don't know what a rugby is, but  apparently your boys do.
>Paul, in San Francisco


(This post has absolutely nothing to do with  engines and I, once 
again apologise for starting it but it could be  construed as very bad 
manners to not answer any replies to the original  post - so, anyone on the 
list who would not like to read it is at liberty  to use their "delete" key).
Hi Paul,
Thanks for the reply. It's not "a" rugby - it's rugby. It's a 
sport  started when a chappie at Rugby College (or school ?) in England 
called  William Webb Ellis picked up a soccer ball (football) and ran with 
it in  his arms to the goal line (It's illegal in "soccer" or "football" to  
handle the ball with your hands - that's why "soccer" is called "football"  
- it's all about control of the ball using your feet and body - you may  not 
touch the ball with your hands). Anyway someone thought that it was a  good 
idea to be allowed to pick up the ball and run with it and this sport  was 
born. I was originally called "Rugby Football" but eventually the name  was 
shortened  to"Rugby" and universally accepted
It bears a slight resemblance to what you guys in the USA  call 
"American Football". There are many differences in the game but the  main 
ones are.
1) Rugby is played by  "real men" not "prima donnas" (but my Aussie 
friends may disagree when  they think of Percy Montgomery).
2)They  are usually big, dirty(as in "attitude" - not necessarily 
"lack of soap"),  tough, ugly (again, ugly as in attitude - not necessarily 
in looks) guys  and they do not wear all sorts of protective equipment 
(scrum caps are  allowed in deference to their later "sex life" - how many 
"chicks" do you  know who would be prepared to "suck" a "cauliflower 
ear"?)  (For  those List Members who are "humorously challenged" - that was 
a joke! -  remember the delete key).
2) The game is  played by big tough guys with big tough balls. 
These are oval shaped and  made from well seasoned leather:-). They only use 
one ball per game.  (??)
3) There are many more rules to the  game but, mostly, these are 
ignored by the players.

South Africa are the current world rugby champions but  that is 
only because our previous coach decided to ignore government  directives and 
selected players "on merit" as opposed to "by colour". He  was "got rid of" 
just after we won the World Cup last year (we cannot have  these 
rascists  now can we). He was replaced by someone of a colour  "more 
acceptable" to government. Luckily our team still seems to remember  his 
coaching and we are still doing quite well but we do not know how long  this 
will last. ( For those List Members who are "humorously challenged" -  this 
is NOT a joke!).

The main  rugby playing nations of the world are: Argentina, 
Australia, Great  Britain (including England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales), 
France, South  Africa and New Zealand. There are others.

Our main opponents are Australia, England and New Zealand and a  
healthy "rivalry" exists between us.

For my part, I support my own country first and then Aus. and New  
Zealand when they play anyone from the Northern Hemisphere. (Almost like  
the Scots who support "whoever is playing against England").

O.K. Guys, I started this "off topic" discussion so  it's best if I 
end it as well so this will be my "last post" on the  subject.
I apologise if I've offended  anyone but the list has been fairly 
quiet lately (I mean, Maytags as a  "boat anchor" !!!!! - what kind of 
subject is that for  discussion????).
I only know of 2 list  members who would support that kind of 
notion. but I'll not mention any  names .
By the way Dave and Arnie, did I  mention that I picked up another 
Maytag recently ?  <grin>.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near  Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to  order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>



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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Mon Nov 24 17:47:46 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:47:46 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Field Brundage ignition
In-Reply-To: <25837C84363B4FC1A9EE689DC74B5B27@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <20081125014743.3287730283D@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Tommy, Nice hearing from you. It's getting closer, just have to secure it
down to something substantial and temp an ignition system. Did you ever do
anything with the Falk out of Canada? How bad was it? Take care Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
Turner
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:21 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Field Brundage ignition

Jimmy,
    If you haven't seen this video, here is a Youtube of a nice Field 
engine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnziGE2j95E

    Post some photos of that old hunk of iron like I saw in the wild.  Then 
post some after photos.  I can't wait to see it run.

Tommy



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:32 PM
Subject: [SEL] Field Brundage ignition


>I have an old "Field" 12 hp. Engine that the original igniter ignition was
> changed to spark plug. It looks like a professional modification or maybe
> Factory even. The end of the side-shaft had a timer assembly on it which 
> is
> broken beyond recognition. I'm hoping that it isn't a one-off example and
> other examples have survived. If anyone has one or pictures of any ,I 
> could
> use your help .Eventually, I'll have the igniter and trip assembly
> remanufactured, but for now I just want to make smoke. Thanks in advance,
> Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. USA. 415 892 0236
>
>
>
> Jim O'Hagan
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


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From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Mon Nov 24 18:25:01 2008
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:25:01 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Austral spanners (for the aussies)
Message-ID: <008401c94ea5$060597d0$210110ac@Chester>

Hi guys, can anyone tell me what size snail brand spanners came with a 8hp Austral originally, cheers from West Aussie,
Chester.

From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Nov 24 18:25:39 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:25:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Field Brundage ignition
References: <20081125014743.3287730283D@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <FAC0463B245F4EE79ECDF751B24CF71C@tommydk7hxjr4h>

I got a couple of Falks out of Canada.  One was a 3 HP and it was complete 
but had a broken crankshaft.  I had a shaft that was the right dimensions 
though to put on it.  The other Falk was a 5 HP.  Its needing a few parts 
(part of the carb and an ignitor).  I've got a complete one here to 
copy..... one of these days.

Glad to hear your old hunk of iron is going to be ready to fire up soon.

Tommy Turner


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Field Brundage ignition


> Tommy, Nice hearing from you. It's getting closer, just have to secure it
> down to something substantial and temp an ignition system. Did you ever do
> anything with the Falk out of Canada? How bad was it? Take care Jimmy
>
> Jim O'Hagan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
> Turner
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:21 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Field Brundage ignition
>
> Jimmy,
>    If you haven't seen this video, here is a Youtube of a nice Field
> engine:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnziGE2j95E
>
>    Post some photos of that old hunk of iron like I saw in the wild.  Then
> post some after photos.  I can't wait to see it run.
>
> Tommy
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:32 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Field Brundage ignition
>
>
>>I have an old "Field" 12 hp. Engine that the original igniter ignition was
>> changed to spark plug. It looks like a professional modification or maybe
>> Factory even. The end of the side-shaft had a timer assembly on it which
>> is
>> broken beyond recognition. I'm hoping that it isn't a one-off example and
>> other examples have survived. If anyone has one or pictures of any ,I
>> could
>> use your help .Eventually, I'll have the igniter and trip assembly
>> remanufactured, but for now I just want to make smoke. Thanks in advance,
>> Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. USA. 415 892 0236
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim O'Hagan
>>
>>
>>
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 18:40:06 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:40:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bob Blessed?
References: <6f6025160811241318l77b198efj7f0935e23fcfbddc@mail.gmail.com><002401c94e7c$05a4fde0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<F469C9D1-2812-4CEA-BD13-0D5799A9E2BF@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <005901c94ea7$20bc8320$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>


Dave got it right , Bob's sig was 

closed mouths gather no feet 

>> Bob Learned ,
>> better to be thought a fool ,
>> than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
> 
> 
> The full quote is:
> "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool that to speak and  
> remove all doubt."
> I'm speaking from experience!
> Eric



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Nov 24 20:59:45 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:59:45 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Austral spanners (for the aussies)
In-Reply-To: <008401c94ea5$060597d0$210110ac@Chester>
References: <008401c94ea5$060597d0$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <BC3D4FD42F8145FE92393D3DFEE9672B@PML>

Hi Chester,

            I don't remember seeing a list of what tools were shipped with
the engines but I will look through my material and see what is there. I
suspect they would have been shipped with the appropriate sizes to deal with
bolts and nuts that needed occasional adjusting, such as bearing caps &
possibly one for the wheel stays.

Patrick

 

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

  _____  

Hi guys, can anyone tell me what size snail brand spanners came with a 8hp
Austral originally, cheers from West Aussie,

Chester.



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Nov 24 21:19:21 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:19:21 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Austral spanners (for the aussies)
In-Reply-To: <BC3D4FD42F8145FE92393D3DFEE9672B@PML>
References: <008401c94ea5$060597d0$210110ac@Chester>
	<BC3D4FD42F8145FE92393D3DFEE9672B@PML>
Message-ID: <6ECAE0C8D75641E39BEA4A45B0DD07F1@PML>

Hi again. A quick look through the books has not revealed anything about
what tools were shipped with the engine. Most of the price lists simply say
'tools' are shipped with the engine. There is a note by Peter in the
Register stating that the 'Snail' brand spanners usually had 'Made in
England' on the reverse side.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

  _____  

 

Hi Chester,

            I don't remember seeing a list of what tools were shipped with
the engines but I will look through my material and see what is there. I
suspect they would have been shipped with the appropriate sizes to deal with
bolts and nuts that needed occasional adjusting, such as bearing caps &
possibly one for the wheel stays.

Patrick

 

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

  _____  

Hi guys, can anyone tell me what size snail brand spanners came with a 8hp
Austral originally, cheers from West Aussie,

Chester.



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 24 21:41:56 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:41:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic/now even more
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081125005657.02351488@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081125005657.02351488@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <1227591716.492b9024001b5@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Jerry,

Quoting Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>:
> By the way Dave and Arnie, did I mention that I picked up another 
> Maytag recently ? <grin>.

Getting the boat ready to go fishing were you?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie




From enginepaul at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 22:04:09 2008
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:04:09 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic/now even more
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081125005657.02351488@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <mailman.3.1227546002.8534.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20081125005657.02351488@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0811242204r32c4b493y22e88c01ab443441@mail.gmail.com>

"...our previous coach decided to ignore government directives and
selected players "on merit" as opposed to "by colour". He was "got rid of"
just after we won the World Cup last year (we cannot have these
rascists  now can we). He was replaced by someone of a colour "more
acceptable" to government."

OK, I got it now. It's some sort of a political thing.

Paul in SanFran - and a proud owner of two Maytag Engines

PS: From the sounds of things, I'm too pretty to play Rugby


From enginepaul at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 22:07:35 2008
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:07:35 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic
In-Reply-To: <007a01c94e69$e430dd30$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081123234922.00c43a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<1227535937.492ab641aa85a@webmail.city-net.com>
	<8d3c36fb0811240850i48dbc6c3odd232e705544999c@mail.gmail.com>
	<007a01c94e69$e430dd30$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0811242207x291bab67o21926c2c8900064@mail.gmail.com>

LOL:

> Is it anything like rugburn  ?


I hope not - that sounds rough!


From ashpow at westnet.com.au  Mon Nov 24 22:20:50 2008
From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (Ash Powell)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:20:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re. First engines
Message-ID: <47693E7ABE4740578A48958B9B238492@MINIBEAST>

Thanks for the welcome everyone, im impressed with the friendliness and passion in this scene.
I'm in Armidale NSW, there's a local club which I plan to join which is very active and again has many helpful friendly members.

I'm not sure what condition these engines are in but the seller says they are complete, that's good enough for me.

This week is really dragging on while I wait to collect them!

If anyone is near Taree and has something they want to sell then please let me know, I may as well make a big trip of this ;p)

Arnie - many Sheila's but my girlfriend wouldn't appreciate it...ha-ha
I'm with you on the resto style too, I prefer the "light" option generally, unless it looks messy.
That was the approach I took with one of my T125's. (now for sale to make way/make funds for the engines)
>From this - http://members.westnet.com.au/ashpow/t125/t125-3.jpg
To this - http://members.westnet.com.au/ashpow/t125/t125-4.jpg
Just cleaned, buffed, derusted etc.

Anyway, ill post up some pics later in the week when I pick these things up.

Cheers
Ash

From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 23:50:46 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:50:46 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Austral spanners (for the aussies)
In-Reply-To: <008401c94ea5$060597d0$210110ac@Chester>
References: <008401c94ea5$060597d0$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811242350m35d2d464pc02251e7626b159a@mail.gmail.com>

On 25/11/2008, Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> wrote:
> Hi guys, can anyone tell me what size snail brand spanners came with a 8hp
> Austral originally, cheers from West Aussie,
> Chester.

We got together an almost full set of Whitworth spanners for Dave
Rotigel's Austral this last summer. To be correct, they should only
have Whitworth sizes marked, as the combined Whitworth/BSF markings
were introduced in WWII and would be later than most Austral engines.

Snail brand spanners do appear quite regularly over here in the UK,
and I think I saw their old place in Sheffield while doing an
installation at one of the hospitals a year or so back.

The ones that we got for Dave were unbranded.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 25 06:39:26 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:39:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re. First engines
In-Reply-To: <47693E7ABE4740578A48958B9B238492@MINIBEAST>
Message-ID: <888265.75703.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Ash,
Nice job on that bike.
I am anxious to see what you do for the engines.

Alan in Michigan


--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Ash Powell <ashpow at westnet.com.au> wrote:

> From: Ash Powell <ashpow at westnet.com.au>
> Subject: [SEL] Re. First engines
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 1:20 AM
> Thanks for the welcome everyone, im impressed with the
> friendliness and passion in this scene.
> I'm in Armidale NSW, there's a local club which I
> plan to join which is very active and again has many helpful
> friendly members.
> 
> I'm not sure what condition these engines are in but
> the seller says they are complete, that's good enough
> for me.
> 
> This week is really dragging on while I wait to collect
> them!
> 
> If anyone is near Taree and has something they want to sell
> then please let me know, I may as well make a big trip of
> this ;p)
> 
> Arnie - many Sheila's but my girlfriend wouldn't
> appreciate it...ha-ha
> I'm with you on the resto style too, I prefer the
> "light" option generally, unless it looks messy.
> That was the approach I took with one of my T125's.
> (now for sale to make way/make funds for the engines)
> >From this -
> http://members.westnet.com.au/ashpow/t125/t125-3.jpg
> To this -
> http://members.westnet.com.au/ashpow/t125/t125-4.jpg
> Just cleaned, buffed, derusted etc.
> 
> Anyway, ill post up some pics later in the week when I pick
> these things up.
> 
> Cheers
> Ash
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Nov 25 06:59:08 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:59:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tales of the Olde Iron Express
Message-ID: <1227625148.492c12bcf29f9@webmail.city-net.com>

Mornin' Folks,

Some years ago a list member requested help from the SEL Olde Iron Express to
get an engine moved across most of the country.  It finally (after MANY legs)
ended up at Coolspring where engine and new owner came together.

The REALLY cool thing was that some of the players did up a US map with each leg
of the engine's travels in a different color.  That was given as a pressie to
the new owner.

Does anyone remember who it was that got that engine?  And for extra credit,
what was the engine?  Does anyone have a pic of the "final presentation" of map
and engine to the new owner?

I'm thinking that it might have been Luke Tonnebeger who was the new owner?
ISTR it took the better part of a year to complete it's journey.  Neat stuff.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com






From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Nov 25 10:03:35 2008
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:03:35 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Tales of the Olde Iron Express
References: <1227625148.492c12bcf29f9@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c94f28$23e4c090$3a290556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 2:59 PM
Subject: [SEL] Tales of the Olde Iron Express


> Mornin' Folks,
> Some years ago a list member requested help from the SEL Olde Iron Express to
> get an engine moved across most of the country.  It finally (after MANY legs)
> ended up at Coolspring where engine and new owner came together.
> The REALLY cool thing was that some of the players did up a US map with each leg
> of the engine's travels in a different color.  That was given as a pressie to
> the new owner.
> Does anyone remember who it was that got that engine?  And for extra credit,
> what was the engine?  Does anyone have a pic of the "final presentation" of map
> and engine to the new owner?
> I'm thinking that it might have been Luke Tonnebeger who was the new owner?
> ISTR it took the better part of a year to complete it's journey.  Neat stuff.
> See ya,  Arnie
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA

Hi Arnie, If you remember I tried a symbolic sketch of the ATIS
transport system. Still on my Webshots at 
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2600227670028520097PJRjwH
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 25 11:00:23 2008
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:00:23 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Tales of the Olde Iron Express
In-Reply-To: <1227625148.492c12bcf29f9@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1227625148.492c12bcf29f9@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BLU135-W18590145677D10E5361190C80B0@phx.gbl>


Sorry Arnie. Don't think it was me. Never been to Coolspring and don't have have a map like that.
 
 
Here is a pic of a 'final presentation' that took place five years ago at Portland. This little engine traveled half way around the world.
 
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port03/port03-22.jpg
 
Luke Tonneberger
 
Rockford, Michigan
 
USA 
===================================> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:59:08 -0500> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: [SEL] Tales of the Olde Iron Express> > Mornin' Folks,> > Some years ago a list member requested help from the SEL Olde Iron Express to> get an engine moved across most of the country. It finally (after MANY legs)> ended up at Coolspring where engine and new owner came together.> > The REALLY cool thing was that some of the players did up a US map with each leg> of the engine's travels in a different color. That was given as a pressie to> the new owner.> > Does anyone remember who it was that got that engine? And for extra credit,> what was the engine? Does anyone have a pic of the "final presentation" of map> and engine to the new owner?> > I'm thinking that it might have been Luke Tonnebeger who was the new owner?> ISTR it took the better part of a year to complete it's journey. Neat stuff.> > See ya, Arnie> > Arnie Fero> Pittsburgh, PA> fero_ah at city-net.com> > > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Nov 25 12:47:00 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:47:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tales of the Olde Iron Express
In-Reply-To: <BLU135-W18590145677D10E5361190C80B0@phx.gbl>
References: <1227625148.492c12bcf29f9@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BLU135-W18590145677D10E5361190C80B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1227646020.492c64444aa3a@webmail.city-net.com>

Ahhh, I remember that one.  That's the Mery isn't it?  Lovely bit of work
there.

Hopefully someone will remember the transfer.  I'm sure that Dave will.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com>:

> Sorry Arnie. Don't think it was me. Never been to Coolspring and don't have
> have a map like that.
>  
> Here is a pic of a 'final presentation' that took place five years ago at
> Portland. This little engine traveled half way around the world.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port03/port03-22.jpg




From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 25 13:09:00 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:09:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] BIG IHC  Engines ?
Message-ID: <001c01c94f42$0a256af0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

A buddy of mine in Tennessee has found himself with a hankering for a big IHC . 

reply to: Patrick Marsh 
mtnman37879 at hotmail.com


   
    I'm wanting an 8hp-15hp IHC Screen cooled Titan. I don't have cash but I do have LOTS of trading material. 
  Waterloo Boy 2hp battery ignition older restoration
  Sandwich ?Tulip Top? 1 ? hp with magneto older restoration
  IH type M needs restored
  Two Baker ?Monitor? pump jack engines need restoration
  Two different B&S exposed rocker engines
  Thompson Engine Company very small (like a toy) Original
  5hp Hercules with magneto un-restored runs
  12 hp Witte oil field engine
  Model T Ford power unit on a wooden wagon with steel wheels 
   
  ALSO,
  Indian artifatcs, Civil War Artifacts, Guns and a Model T Ford.
   
  Do you know anyone in the trading mood? Patrick




From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Tue Nov 25 13:34:42 2008
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:34:42 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Brock where are you
In-Reply-To: <A659417B-ADF9-4909-92DA-43EF09942E97@internode.on.net>
References: <AE40AFB4875B44C4A748655875546227@armstrong>
	<A659417B-ADF9-4909-92DA-43EF09942E97@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <75EE28A409134C158D18E04E219A4B7C@KerryPC>

Anyone know Brock Summerfield's email
brock at netspeed.com.au bounces

Thanks

Kerry


From camaned at iinet.net.au  Tue Nov 25 14:47:39 2008
From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:47:39 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Brock where are you
In-Reply-To: <75EE28A409134C158D18E04E219A4B7C@KerryPC>
References: <AE40AFB4875B44C4A748655875546227@armstrong><A659417B-ADF9-4909-92DA-43EF09942E97@internode.on.net>
	<75EE28A409134C158D18E04E219A4B7C@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <43348A59644441ED9E415023893911F3@CamPC>

Kerry that is the one I have, maybe his mailbox is full. 
Cam

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 8:34 AM
Subject: [SEL] Brock where are you


> Anyone know Brock Summerfield's email
> brock at netspeed.com.au bounces
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Kerry
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From camaned at iinet.net.au  Tue Nov 25 20:33:48 2008
From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:33:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Brock where are you
In-Reply-To: <75EE28A409134C158D18E04E219A4B7C@KerryPC>
References: <AE40AFB4875B44C4A748655875546227@armstrong><A659417B-ADF9-4909-92DA-43EF09942E97@internode.on.net>
	<75EE28A409134C158D18E04E219A4B7C@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <91670DA34D9843D2988B18F7D60AD70E@CamPC>

Kerry I sent an email to Brock and it didn't bounce. 
     Cam.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 8:34 AM
Subject: [SEL] Brock where are you


> Anyone know Brock Summerfield's email
> brock at netspeed.com.au bounces
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Kerry
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Nov 25 23:05:35 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:05:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Tales of the Olde Iron Express
In-Reply-To: <1227625148.492c12bcf29f9@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1227625148.492c12bcf29f9@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <DCF60694D0FB4E8593AFDDF4BE14A260@PML>

My little R&V made it all the way to Australia thanks to the SEL Olde Iron
Express. Its journey is documented here:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rv1hp.html
 

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

-----Original Message-----

Mornin' Folks,

Some years ago a list member requested help from the SEL Olde Iron Express
to
get an engine moved across most of the country.  It finally (after MANY
legs)
ended up at Coolspring where engine and new owner came together.

The REALLY cool thing was that some of the players did up a US map with each
leg
of the engine's travels in a different color.  That was given as a pressie
to
the new owner.

Does anyone remember who it was that got that engine?  And for extra credit,
what was the engine?  Does anyone have a pic of the "final presentation" of
map
and engine to the new owner?

I'm thinking that it might have been Luke Tonnebeger who was the new owner?
ISTR it took the better part of a year to complete it's journey.  Neat
stuff.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




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From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Tue Nov 25 23:19:13 2008
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:19:13 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Austral spanners (for the aussies)
References: <008401c94ea5$060597d0$210110ac@Chester>
	<BC3D4FD42F8145FE92393D3DFEE9672B@PML>
	<00cc01c94ebc$45b1d3f0$210110ac@Chester>
	<D8182084A31141A78CA41CA4A9F0269A@PML>
Message-ID: <00c701c94f97$49fd1ab0$210110ac@Chester>


  Thanks everyone for your replys, cheers,
  Chester.


From ashpow at westnet.com.au  Wed Nov 26 03:20:32 2008
From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (Ash Powell)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:20:32 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp
Message-ID: <574580C5CDE14DDEA771E17A31B812E1@MINIBEAST>

Hey all,

Well I picked up my first project today, Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp.
It looks to be in reasonable nick and is complete.
Hope you don't mind me flooding you with questions already.. ;p)

There's a bit of rust in the water jacket but it should tidy up, im a fan of phosphoric acid for eating rust - can anyone see an issue with using this to eat the rust out of the inside?

Its seized, ive got it filled with penetrant.
Can you offer any tips on freeing it up without damaging it?

The head has been taken off and the gasket is missing - how do you source these?
Make them?

Also its missing a head stud, I think I can get one machined pretty easily.

Any advice appreciated!
Here's a pic for you - http://members.westnet.com.au/ashpow/engines/moffat.jpg

Cheers,
Ash

From page at velocitynet.com.au  Wed Nov 26 03:45:26 2008
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:45:26 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp
In-Reply-To: <574580C5CDE14DDEA771E17A31B812E1@MINIBEAST>
Message-ID: <003901c94fbc$799a4890$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Hi Ash

Looks in pretty good nick.  For your head gasket try Vintage Engine Spares
at 41 Richards St, Loganlea, Qld 4131.  They advertise in TOMM.  Also, if
you give them the engine number they may be able to date it for you.

Ron
Canberra 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ash Powell
Sent: Wednesday, 26 November 2008 10:21 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp

Hey all,

Well I picked up my first project today, Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp.
It looks to be in reasonable nick and is complete.
Hope you don't mind me flooding you with questions already.. ;p)

There's a bit of rust in the water jacket but it should tidy up, im a fan of
phosphoric acid for eating rust - can anyone see an issue with using this to
eat the rust out of the inside?

Its seized, ive got it filled with penetrant.
Can you offer any tips on freeing it up without damaging it?

The head has been taken off and the gasket is missing - how do you source
these?
Make them?

Also its missing a head stud, I think I can get one machined pretty easily.

Any advice appreciated!
Here's a pic for you -
http://members.westnet.com.au/ashpow/engines/moffat.jpg

Cheers,
Ash
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Nov 26 07:47:49 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:47:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tales of the Olde Iron Express
In-Reply-To: <DCF60694D0FB4E8593AFDDF4BE14A260@PML>
References: <1227625148.492c12bcf29f9@webmail.city-net.com>
	<DCF60694D0FB4E8593AFDDF4BE14A260@PML>
Message-ID: <1227714469.492d6fa52b8c2@webmail.city-net.com>

BRILLIANT Patrick!!  That's GOTTA be a record for "longest distance traveled" on
the Olde Iron Express!!

Quoting Patrick M Livingstone <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>:

> My little R&V made it all the way to Australia thanks to the SEL Olde Iron
> Express. Its journey is documented here:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rv1hp.html




From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Nov 26 08:00:44 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:00:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL]  OT:  Tennessee to Texas 5th wheel needed.  OT!
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811201215s2c4a9dbdn5ca5128c5f228967@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <6f6025160811201215s2c4a9dbdn5ca5128c5f228967@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081126105723.02f4dc40@pop3.wcoil.com>

Relation of mine needs a 5th  wheel 38' camper  towed to Dallas Texas from 
Knoxville Tennessee.  Know anyone doing that kinda stuff?     Mark



Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, Ohio 45817
Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Nov 26 09:03:34 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:03:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp
In-Reply-To: <574580C5CDE14DDEA771E17A31B812E1@MINIBEAST>
References: <574580C5CDE14DDEA771E17A31B812E1@MINIBEAST>
Message-ID: <1227719014.492d8166f278c@webmail.city-net.com>

Damn Ash, that looks HEAVY!  Better get it on wheels!  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Ash Powell <ashpow at westnet.com.au>:

> Here's a pic for you -
> http://members.westnet.com.au/ashpow/engines/moffat.jpg




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 26 09:32:05 2008
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:32:05 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <491243A9159E4275BA5F163679C0CE2A@PML>
References: <491243A9159E4275BA5F163679C0CE2A@PML>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W293FCFFEA5FE317838654EC80A0@phx.gbl>


Interesting picture here:
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/pages/100-0078_IMG_JPG.htm
 
appears to be a Stover with the Wico EK mag on backwards.
 
Nice pics. Thanks for taking them and putting them up.
Luke Tonneberger
 
Rockford, Michigan
 
USA ==============================================> From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au> > Thanks to Cam, here are some pics from the Bombala rally from a couple of> weeks ago:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm> > > Patrick M Livingstone> Leichhardt NSW> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Nov 26 09:57:34 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:57:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W293FCFFEA5FE317838654EC80A0@phx.gbl>
References: <491243A9159E4275BA5F163679C0CE2A@PML>
	<BAY127-W293FCFFEA5FE317838654EC80A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1227722254.492d8e0e80baa@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey Luke,  This is Oz.  If they don't put their US-made mags on backwards they
won't get spark.  It's similar to how the toilets in the southern hemisphere
flush the other way round.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com>:

> Interesting picture here:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/pages/100-0078_IMG_JPG.htm
> appears to be a Stover with the Wico EK mag on backwards.




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Nov 26 10:08:35 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:08:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W293FCFFEA5FE317838654EC80A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <EF48F87A5A284966A73481061F33D369@tommyd0x52gkco>

Must be built in Mexico.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Interesting picture here:
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/pages/100-0078_IMG_JPG.ht
m
 
appears to be a Stover with the Wico EK mag on backwards.
 
Nice pics. Thanks for taking them and putting them up.
Luke Tonneberger
 




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Nov 26 10:08:48 2008
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:08:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
Message-ID: <20081126.100848.1648.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

You have to do that down under or the engine runs backwards. <VBG>
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:32:05 +0000 Luke Tonneberger
<flywheelin at hotmail.com> writes:
> 
> Interesting picture here:
>  
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/pages/100-0078_IMG_JPG.htm
>  
> appears to be a Stover with the Wico EK mag on backwards.
>  
> Nice pics. Thanks for taking them and putting them up.
> Luke Tonneberger
>  
> Rockford, Michigan
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From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Wed Nov 26 14:07:44 2008
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:07:44 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp
References: <574580C5CDE14DDEA771E17A31B812E1@MINIBEAST>
Message-ID: <001d01c95013$68922a20$0201010a@JBCooper>

Hi Ash,
This is a good beginners engine, It would have had a 32 volt generator on 
the mounting plate.
Good luck.
John,
 Bega..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ash Powell" <ashpow at westnet.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:20 PM
Subject: [SEL] Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp


>
> Hey all,
>
> Well I picked up my first project today, Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp.
> It looks to be in reasonable nick and is complete.
> Hope you don't mind me flooding you with questions already.. ;p)
>
> There's a bit of rust in the water jacket but it should tidy up, im a fan 
> of phosphoric acid for eating rust - can anyone see an issue with using 
> this to eat the rust out of the inside?
>
> Its seized, ive got it filled with penetrant.
> Can you offer any tips on freeing it up without damaging it?
>
> The head has been taken off and the gasket is missing - how do you source 
> these?
> Make them?
>
> Also its missing a head stud, I think I can get one machined pretty 
> easily.
>
> Any advice appreciated!
> Here's a pic for you - 
> http://members.westnet.com.au/ashpow/engines/moffat.jpg
>
> Cheers,
> Ash
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From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Wed Nov 26 14:11:02 2008
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:11:02 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
References: <491243A9159E4275BA5F163679C0CE2A@PML>
	<BAY127-W293FCFFEA5FE317838654EC80A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003601c95013$dee79750$0201010a@JBCooper>

Hi Luke,
Maybe you do things different over there. Mag is the right way for us.
John,
Bega, Oz.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: "Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 4:32 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bombala Pics


>
>
> Interesting picture here:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/pages/100-0078_IMG_JPG.htm
>
> appears to be a Stover with the Wico EK mag on backwards.
>
> Nice pics. Thanks for taking them and putting them up.
> Luke Tonneberger
>
> Rockford, Michigan
>
> USA ==============================================> From: 
> pml1 at bigpond.net.au> > Thanks to Cam, here are some pics from the Bombala 
> rally from a couple of> weeks ago:> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm> > > Patrick M 
> Livingstone> Leichhardt NSW> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
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From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Wed Nov 26 14:17:49 2008
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:17:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
References: <491243A9159E4275BA5F163679C0CE2A@PML>
Message-ID: <004301c95014$d177b0e0$0201010a@JBCooper>

Hi Patrick,
Great pictures. Pity my Cooper Little Wonder missed out.
John,
Bega, Oz.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 4:24 PM
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics


>
> Thanks to Cam, here are some pics from the Bombala rally from a couple of
> weeks ago:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>
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From ilifa at internode.on.net  Wed Nov 26 15:07:22 2008
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:07:22 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W293FCFFEA5FE317838654EC80A0@phx.gbl>
References: <491243A9159E4275BA5F163679C0CE2A@PML>
	<BAY127-W293FCFFEA5FE317838654EC80A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E32CAFE3-4F94-46EC-9C2F-465BB583B62A@internode.on.net>


  Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> appears to be a Stover with the Wico EK mag on backwards.

I would have to agree with that. Can't say I have ever seen one  
mounted that way before on any engine. Is it a home made fitting?

Eric


From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 26 15:31:48 2008
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:31:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <004301c95014$d177b0e0$0201010a@JBCooper>
Message-ID: <004b01c9501f$28457a60$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>

Neat pix!  I'm curious tho what the machines are in 070 & 075.  075
maybe a hay press?  

Lew near Waco, TX USA 


----- Original Message ----- 


>
> Thanks to Cam, here are some pics from the Bombala rally from a couple
of
> weeks ago:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 26 15:47:17 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:47:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <004b01c9501f$28457a60$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>
References: <004301c95014$d177b0e0$0201010a@JBCooper>
	<004b01c9501f$28457a60$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <COL112-W537BAB3D808F2C14271C89950A0@phx.gbl>


Great pics guys,  Just wondering  what 108 and 109  are also, Kind of look like a John Lauson? Does anybody know? thanks Steve>Pics> > Neat pix! I'm curious tho what the machines are in 070 & 075. 075> maybe a hay press? > > Lew near Waco, TX USA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > Thanks to Cam, here are some pics from the Bombala rally from a couple> of> > weeks ago:> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm> >> >> > Patrick M Livingstone> > Leichhardt NSW> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Nov 26 17:57:01 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:57:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
References: <004301c95014$d177b0e0$0201010a@JBCooper><004b01c9501f$28457a60$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>
	<COL112-W537BAB3D808F2C14271C89950A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <72FFA9BEA0A9496AB93D5B607B0FBB06@tommydk7hxjr4h>

That is a John Lauson Steve.  I've seen that engine before on some show web 
pages.  Its a throttler.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bombala Pics


>
> Great pics guys,  Just wondering  what 108 and 109  are also, Kind of look 
> like a John Lauson? Does anybody know? thanks Steve>Pics> > Neat pix! I'm 
> curious tho what the machines are in 070 & 075. 075> maybe a hay press? > 
>  > Lew near Waco, TX USA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > 
> Thanks to Cam, here are some pics from the Bombala rally from a couple> 
> of> > weeks ago:> > 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm> >> >> > Patrick 
> M Livingstone> > Leichhardt NSW> > 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html> > > 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 21:44:22 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 05:44:22 +0000
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <6f6025160811262144q28b2e017q6531dd8f994a3fed@mail.gmail.com>

We are trying to get hold of some 7/16" NF (UNF) dome nuts,
prefereably in Stainless Steel but Mild Steel would be OK.

Our Nut & Bolt supplier is quoting 'silly' money to bring them in from
the States, has anyone got a good local supplier than they can buy
these from?

Ship to Gilbert AZ or direct to us in the UK.

Need 20 or 30 of them, stainless would be preferred, grade not important.

Thanks,

Peter
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Nov 26 21:59:16 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:59:16 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <004b01c9501f$28457a60$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>
References: <004301c95014$d177b0e0$0201010a@JBCooper>
	<004b01c9501f$28457a60$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <D4CAFB6A6FF745C3B5F2DE1A8F955B74@PML>

Hi Lew,
	70 look like a big Chaff cutter and 75 is a hay baler/press.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

-----Original Message-----


Neat pix!  I'm curious tho what the machines are in 070 & 075.  075
maybe a hay press?  

Lew near Waco, TX USA 





From camaned at iinet.net.au  Wed Nov 26 22:04:10 2008
From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:04:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <004301c95014$d177b0e0$0201010a@JBCooper>
References: <491243A9159E4275BA5F163679C0CE2A@PML>
	<004301c95014$d177b0e0$0201010a@JBCooper>
Message-ID: <64FE13EDD7774097B3D999868A3D1F1B@CamPC>

Sorry John, I didn't have a lot of space on the camera, I remember your 
Little Wonder well maybe next time I'm down there I'll get.
Cheers Cam


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John & Beryl Cooper" <cooperjb at aapt.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bombala Pics


> Hi Patrick,
> Great pictures. Pity my Cooper Little Wonder missed out.
> John,
> Bega, Oz.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
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> "Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
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> Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
>
>
>>
>> Thanks to Cam, here are some pics from the Bombala rally from a couple of
>> weeks ago:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm
>>
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
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From camaned at iinet.net.au  Wed Nov 26 22:10:56 2008
From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:10:56 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <004b01c9501f$28457a60$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>
References: <004b01c9501f$28457a60$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <20B2494311054F3D86E266E231AF0F23@CamPC>

Lew No 75 is a baler and No 70 is an early Chaff Cutter. Cheers Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lew Best" <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bombala Pics


> Neat pix!  I'm curious tho what the machines are in 070 & 075.  075
> maybe a hay press?  
> 
> Lew near Waco, TX USA 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> 
>>
>> Thanks to Cam, here are some pics from the Bombala rally from a couple
> of
>> weeks ago:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm
>>
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
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From camaned at iinet.net.au  Wed Nov 26 22:17:20 2008
From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:17:20 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <72FFA9BEA0A9496AB93D5B607B0FBB06@tommydk7hxjr4h>
References: <004301c95014$d177b0e0$0201010a@JBCooper><004b01c9501f$28457a60$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW><COL112-W537BAB3D808F2C14271C89950A0@phx.gbl>
	<72FFA9BEA0A9496AB93D5B607B0FBB06@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <CCD72FDDF92741C790A3A7ABE8E74ABB@CamPC>

Tommy that engine belongs to John Matheson from Eden, he has done a 
beautiful restoration on it.
Cheers Cam.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
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Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bombala Pics


> That is a John Lauson Steve.  I've seen that engine before on some show 
> web
> pages.  Its a throttler.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Bombala Pics
>
>
>>
>> Great pics guys,  Just wondering  what 108 and 109  are also, Kind of 
>> look
>> like a John Lauson? Does anybody know? thanks Steve>Pics> > Neat pix! I'm
>> curious tho what the machines are in 070 & 075. 075> maybe a hay press? >
>>  > Lew near Waco, TX USA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> >
>> Thanks to Cam, here are some pics from the Bombala rally from a couple>
>> of> > weeks ago:> >
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm> >> >> > Patrick
>> M Livingstone> > Leichhardt NSW> >
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Nov 26 22:33:16 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:33:16 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Nuts for Peter F.
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811262144q28b2e017q6531dd8f994a3fed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811262144q28b2e017q6531dd8f994a3fed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B0B72694-F01D-4307-9DA5-2550B8AFA232@rustyiron.com>


On Nov 26, 2008, at 9:44 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:

> We are trying to get hold of some 7/16" NF (UNF) dome nuts,
> prefereably in Stainless Steel but Mild Steel would be OK.
>
> Our Nut & Bolt supplier is quoting 'silly' money to bring them in from
> the States, has anyone got a good local supplier than they can buy
> these from?
>
> Ship to Gilbert AZ or direct to us in the UK.
>
> Need 20 or 30 of them, stainless would be preferred, grade not  
> important.

Hi Peter,
If I understand your British terminology, you're looking for some  
7/16-20 acorn nuts.  The convenient source would be www.mcmaster.com.

They show 18-8 stainless for $2.56 per nut
Plain steel is $11.45 per pack of 20 nuts.





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Nov 27 09:52:46 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:52:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ellis Horizontal Hopper Cooled Engine
Message-ID: <1227808366.492ede6e9ad86@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I'm trying to gather some info on the Ellis horizontal hopper cooled engines
that were introduced around 1915.  I have a couple of pages of info from a 1915
Ellis catalog and the limited info that's in Wendel's Bible.

Does anyone have any pictures of one of these engines or know anyone who has
one?  I've got a number of pics of the verticals (and would like to own one of
those one day).

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com






From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Nov 27 06:06:47 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:06:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811262144q28b2e017q6531dd8f994a3fed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEMNHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

Go here:
http://www.mcmaster.com/
and search for "acorn nuts".

They have a number of options as to size, dome height, material, etc. but here are a couple of examples of prices for 7/16-20 nuts.

In stainless, they are a bit dear.........$2.56 US each!  In mild steel(?), they are much more affordable at $11.45 for a pack of 20.

If you see what you want and can't get 'em through "normal" channels, email me privately and I will purchase them and send them to you wherever you like.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:44 PM
> To: Stationary-Engine; The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
> 
> 
> We are trying to get hold of some 7/16" NF (UNF) 
> dome nuts,
> prefereably in Stainless Steel but Mild Steel would be OK.
> 
> Our Nut & Bolt supplier is quoting 'silly' money 
> to bring them in from
> the States, has anyone got a good local supplier 
> than they can buy
> these from?
> 
> Ship to Gilbert AZ or direct to us in the UK.
> 
> Need 20 or 30 of them, stainless would be 
> preferred, grade not important.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Nov 27 23:07:40 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:07:40 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <CCD72FDDF92741C790A3A7ABE8E74ABB@CamPC>
References: <004301c95014$d177b0e0$0201010a@JBCooper><004b01c9501f$28457a60$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW><COL112-W537BAB3D808F2C14271C89950A0@phx.gbl><72FFA9BEA0A9496AB93D5B607B0FBB06@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<CCD72FDDF92741C790A3A7ABE8E74ABB@CamPC>
Message-ID: <B3FADCFB53104F5FBB852E5848A688A2@PML>

To save confusion, I have finally had a chance to caption the photos :)
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Nov 27 13:48:05 2008
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:48:05 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Brock where are you
In-Reply-To: <75EE28A409134C158D18E04E219A4B7C@KerryPC>
References: <AE40AFB4875B44C4A748655875546227@armstrong>
	<A659417B-ADF9-4909-92DA-43EF09942E97@internode.on.net>
	<75EE28A409134C158D18E04E219A4B7C@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081128084712.020bb848@ncable.com.au>

Kerry I received an e-mail from Brock only about 8 days ago with the 
e-mail address you show ??


At 08:34 AM 26/11/2008, you wrote:
>Anyone know Brock Summerfield's email
>brock at netspeed.com.au bounces
>
>Thanks
>
>Kerry
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From imatowie at bigpond.com  Thu Nov 27 03:50:34 2008
From: imatowie at bigpond.com (Laurie)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:50:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
References: <6f6025160811262144q28b2e017q6531dd8f994a3fed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c95086$5bcd9810$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f>

Hi Peter,
Just a thought- 7/16 UNF is the size of Holden wheel nuts ( pre 80's). It 
may also  be the same as other GM vehicles sold in Europe, so maybe try a 
tyre shop. You might need to machine them flat, but it may work out a bit 
cheaper.
Regards,
Laurie.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "Stationary-Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "The SEL email 
discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 4:44 PM
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)


> We are trying to get hold of some 7/16" NF (UNF) dome nuts,
> prefereably in Stainless Steel but Mild Steel would be OK.
>
> Our Nut & Bolt supplier is quoting 'silly' money to bring them in from
> the States, has anyone got a good local supplier than they can buy
> these from?
>
> Ship to Gilbert AZ or direct to us in the UK.
>
> Need 20 or 30 of them, stainless would be preferred, grade not important.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 27 05:39:43 2008
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:39:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <D4CAFB6A6FF745C3B5F2DE1A8F955B74@PML>
Message-ID: <002501c95095$9c527a90$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>

Thanks Patrick

What's a chaff cutter?  Not a term I'm familiar with.

Lew
 

-----Original Message-----
 
Hi Lew,
	70 look like a big Chaff cutter and 75 is a hay baler/press.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Nov 27 07:32:33 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:32:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] HAULING Offered Tennessee to points north along Interstate 75
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081127102634.02fdd230@pop3.wcoil.com>

Sometime the first part of next week Dec1-3rd not sure which day yet,  I 
will be in the Knoxville Tennessee area with an empty Van and maybe my 
trailer 6X8 flat deck trailer and can haul to points north along the 
Interstate 75 corridore. My end destination is of course Bluffton, 
Northwest part of Ohio.  Call if you need something hauled. 419.516.2996

                             Mark Shulaw





From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Nov 28 05:30:23 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:30:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Ebay sale items - interesting
Message-ID: <FC8BECFCBE0E44BC8C32DC6F71BC583A@PETER>

Couple of interesting items on Ebay, I have never seen these before but you guys in the US might think they are common.

Ebay item numbers  400012814487   &  220319864116

Peter, Oz

From Jim at hardmanfamily.net  Fri Nov 28 14:56:45 2008
From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:56:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ebay sale items - interesting
In-Reply-To: <FC8BECFCBE0E44BC8C32DC6F71BC583A@PETER>
References: <FC8BECFCBE0E44BC8C32DC6F71BC583A@PETER>
Message-ID: <3D017F6F4A414B8DAD3FA4EFC55F45BC@JamesDesktop>

The Sootless plug (auction 400012814487) is a home made affair;  Oaks & Dow 
never offered priming plugs or caged plugs with separate primers.  These 
brass and mica plugs were patented in 1905 and had a porcelain insulator 
from the flange down to the points... a functional design.  Priming plugs 
were popular in 1905-1915, but this is spurious, a recent assembly for the 
eBay audience.

The Champion Primer (auction 220319864116) is relatively common, but surely 
not common in the box.  This appears to be a used plug, note the change in 
thread appearance and the nicked-up shell (body).  The box is probably as 
valuable as the plug.  I guess it was common practice to put the used plug 
back into the box when installing a new plug.

Gasoline was generally used for priming, but it was not a cure-all.  Early 
gas stocks perhaps lacked adequate volatile upper end fractions;  it was 
accepted that in really cold weather, priming might not help.  Friends in 
Wooster, Ohio report that natural gas well pumpers would often build a fire 
under the cylinder overhang to warm things up on a cold morning.

Peace from chilly Vermont...  Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine.org" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:30 AM
Subject: [SEL] Ebay sale items - interesting


> Couple of interesting items on Ebay, I have never seen these before but 
> you guys in the US might think they are common.
>
> Ebay item numbers  400012814487   &  220319864116
>
> Peter, Oz
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Nov 28 15:01:21 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:01:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Slick Willy Forum OT:
In-Reply-To: <FC8BECFCBE0E44BC8C32DC6F71BC583A@PETER>
References: <FC8BECFCBE0E44BC8C32DC6F71BC583A@PETER>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081128175952.0345c150@pop3.wcoil.com>

Could someone be so kind as to pass on the slick will forum info. Off list 
please.


Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, Ohio 45817
Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
Home #419.358.5206





From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 28 16:34:50 2008
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:34:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Ebay sale items - interesting
In-Reply-To: <FC8BECFCBE0E44BC8C32DC6F71BC583A@PETER>
Message-ID: <004b01c951ba$4c9b41a0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>

I've never seen anything like them

Lew near Waco, TX

-----Original Message-----
 
Couple of interesting items on Ebay, I have never seen these before but
you guys in the US might think they are common.

Ebay item numbers  400012814487   &  220319864116

Peter, Oz




From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Fri Nov 28 23:48:56 2008
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:48:56 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Two New Toys for Xmas
Message-ID: <001e01c951f6$efb745a0$30bb693a@fred>

My son gave himself and me 2 Engines for Xmas.
12 HP. Blackstone and 8 HP Stationary Blackstone.
Next year is going to be Great!!
Photos now on webshots under 12HP & 8 HP..link below,
 
Brian Watts (03) 97266147
briwatt at optusnet.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat

From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Nov 29 00:04:23 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:04:23 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: House Rebuild
Message-ID: <6f6025160811290004o31977da3he871b1c9377dff37@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Guys & Gals:

Sorry to be a bit out of touch over the past few days, we have just
had the roof off the whole of the house, and a new one is being built
as I type.

We have the rearmost section of the house still in use, but as the
bathroom and our bedroom are in the older section, we have had to
sleep under canvas (actually blue engine sheets!) for the past few
nights, and using the bathroom is a little chilly in the morning!

The crane and the new roof trusses arrived at 07.45 yesterday morning,
and by 10.30 we had the new trusses in place. By 16.30 they had all
been fixed into place and roofing felt put over, with sheets covering
the gable ends, which have to be rebuilt (the old structure was almost
all wooden)

The big advantage of the new roof is that is will give us a 16ft
square 'room' in the attic for storage, something we didn't have with
the old house as the roof was 'very' unconventional.

We have a series of pictures of the work and will post them on the
websites as soon as we have time.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From ilifa at internode.on.net  Sat Nov 29 00:27:45 2008
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:27:45 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Two New Toys for Xmas
In-Reply-To: <001e01c951f6$efb745a0$30bb693a@fred>
References: <001e01c951f6$efb745a0$30bb693a@fred>
Message-ID: <7E7CA8D7-826D-4AA5-A8F1-395B75D58DC5@internode.on.net>

Brian, you describe one or your Blackstones as a hybrid. Could you  
please tell me what that means? This may be stating the obvious, but I  
am no Blackstone expert!

Eric


From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Nov 29 07:11:59 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:11:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Ebay sale items - interesting
In-Reply-To: <004b01c951ba$4c9b41a0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEOCHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Lew:

The first item is simply a period spark plug and priming cup that are in place in what looks to be an original valve access plug.  The plugs were used in headless L head engines so the valves could be removed.  I think the item is sorta mis-described.

The second item may be a modified spark plug with the added priming cup.  I don't know if Champion ever made a plug like that.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Lew Best
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 06:35 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay sale items - interesting
> 
> 
> I've never seen anything like them
> 
> Lew near Waco, TX
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>  
> Couple of interesting items on Ebay, I have never 
> seen these before but
> you guys in the US might think they are common.
> 
> Ebay item numbers  400012814487   &  220319864116
> 
> Peter, Oz




From kimmell at verizon.net  Sat Nov 29 07:31:12 2008
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:31:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Mcmaster-Carr
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEMNHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <6f6025160811262144q28b2e017q6531dd8f994a3fed@mail.gmail.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEMNHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <0KB3003AZPQW8BM9@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>

Speaking of McMaster-Carr... if anyone ever needs something from them 
and can't seem to get it, let me know.  I drive a semi-truck in 
Chicago and make deliveries to their warehouse in Elmhurst Illinois 
at least 3-4 times a week.  I can always pick up stuff at their 
will-call counter while I'm there.

-Tony


At 08:06 AM 11/27/2008, Elden DuRand wrote:
>Go here:
>http://www.mcmaster.com/
>and search for "acorn nuts".
>
>They have a number of options as to size, dome height, material, 
>etc. but here are a couple of examples of prices for 7/16-20 nuts.
>
>In stainless, they are a bit dear.........$2.56 US each!  In mild 
>steel(?), they are much more affordable at $11.45 for a pack of 20.
>
>If you see what you want and can't get 'em through "normal" 
>channels, email me privately and I will purchase them and send them 
>to you wherever you like.




From toadhill at aeroinc.net  Sat Nov 29 07:50:28 2008
From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe&Jewel Maurer)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:50:28 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cooper Stover
Message-ID: <AD2939C558BD4FED871E93A6FBEA823D@joe5599c86d812>

If you provide the serial # of the Cooper Stover I may be able to tell you the shipping info on it if it was made in the USA. 

Joe  toadhill at aeroinc.net

From gastzt at aol.com  Sat Nov 29 16:22:48 2008
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:22:48 EST
Subject: [SEL] Cooper Stover
Message-ID: <cb2.47d5b460.366336d8@aol.com>

ooooo-   just love those old stovers---just got a  8hp---just about ready to 
run it after a restore---fun machines!!!!  The  other 3 still going!!!!
 Stan Zettner
Pleasanton, Texas----usa
 
 
In a message dated 11/29/2008 10:15:13 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
toadhill at aeroinc.net writes:

If you  provide the serial # of the Cooper Stover I may be able to tell you 
the  shipping info on it if it was made in the USA. 

Joe   toadhill at aeroinc.net
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From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Sat Nov 29 19:53:22 2008
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:53:22 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Two New Toys for Xmas
References: <001e01c951f6$efb745a0$30bb693a@fred>
	<7E7CA8D7-826D-4AA5-A8F1-395B75D58DC5@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <009c01c9529f$32d1ae90$30bb693a@fred>

Hi Eric,
Around 1923 Blackstone started making Diesel engs. Some old time farmers 
still wanted the Hot Bulb Lamp Start type so several Diesel Eng. Blocks were 
fitted with the old type Hot Bulb,these were only made for about 3 years and 
have a different cyl.head and the cyl.and base are one casting.
Brian

David Watts (03) 87616332
damewatt at bigpond.com

Brian Watts (03) 97266147
briwatt at optusnet.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Schulz" <ilifa at internode.on.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Two New Toys for Xmas


> Brian, you describe one or your Blackstones as a hybrid. Could you
> please tell me what that means? This may be stating the obvious, but I
> am no Blackstone expert!
>
> Eric
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From ilifa at internode.on.net  Sat Nov 29 21:21:57 2008
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:21:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Two New Toys for Xmas
In-Reply-To: <009c01c9529f$32d1ae90$30bb693a@fred>
References: <001e01c951f6$efb745a0$30bb693a@fred>
	<7E7CA8D7-826D-4AA5-A8F1-395B75D58DC5@internode.on.net>
	<009c01c9529f$32d1ae90$30bb693a@fred>
Message-ID: <75E4B110-4E28-44C2-ACC3-94D3A1FF5EFF@internode.on.net>

Thanks, Brian. I have probably seen one of those engines or at least  
illustrations, and just thought of them as a natural progression.  
Something new for the memory bank.

Eric

On 30/11/2008, at 2:53 PM, Brian Watts wrote:

> Hi Eric,
> Around 1923 Blackstone started making Diesel engs. Some old time  
> farmers
> still wanted the Hot Bulb Lamp Start type so several Diesel Eng.  
> Blocks were
> fitted with the old type Hot Bulb,these were only made for about 3  
> years and
> have a different cyl.head and the cyl.and base are one casting.
> Brian


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Nov 30 06:06:18 2008
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:06:18 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT: House Rebuild
Message-ID: <c02.4c059fea.3663f7da@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/29/2008 3:06:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
listerdiesel at gmail.com writes:

The big  advantage of the new roof is that is will give us a 16ft
square 'room' in  the attic for storage


Always good to have more storage for engine related items like mags,  oilers, 
primers, etc.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

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From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Nov 30 19:47:02 2008
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:47:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cooper Stover
Message-ID: <20081130.224803.1152.0.jlb94>

Hi Joe,
I have a 1941 Stover CT-1  # TA-274626.    Can you provide any history? 

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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   (_o_)        Remove large pumpkin colored highway signs.

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:50:28 -0600 "Joe&Jewel Maurer"
<toadhill at aeroinc.net> writes:
> If you provide the serial # of the Cooper Stover I may be able to 
> tell you the shipping info on it if it was made in the USA. 
> 
> Joe  toadhill at aeroinc.net
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From camaned at iinet.net.au  Sat Nov  1 00:09:52 2008
From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:09:52 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081101144853.0232b6d8@ncable.com.au>
References: <380-220081053105842748@coastalnet.com><7.0.1.0.1.20001020001930.020b3780@ncable.com.au><7.0.1.0.1.20081101105119.023125f0@ncable.com.au><490BB895.4080605@iamnota.org>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20081101144853.0232b6d8@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <AF43E2D050904CACB0AF919B84328DDB@CamPC>

Hi Russ, Mate that would have been great but I have already registered and I 
suppose like they say I have to go where I'm told now, it's b*lls#%t. What 
about Kerry and Fred at Narracorte, two compounds away and hardly anything 
in between. Cheers Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine info needed


> G'day all; Is there any real interest in having the SEL gather in one
> area for the 2009 National?? I ask as I have just got off the phone
> to Alan Wheaton (from SA, not wagga) who has told me that all entries
> will be placed in club compounds. I, as a member of VMSOS could not
> go and jump into the compound with say some guys from Sydney!
>
> I will have my 6hp Campbell at the Rally along with two other
> Campbell engines. Brad Pit with his 4hp, and Mick Christie with his
> 2hp. (THE THREE OF US ARE ALL FROM DIFERENT CLUBS) We had the plan of
> putting the three engines together which would be quite a site. Alan
> said we would need to mark all entries as comming from the same club
> to get in the same compound?? So these guys would either have to say
> they are from our Mildura Club, or collectively we have enough
> interest to have an SEL compound??
>
> So about time we heard from a number of you guys to actually voice
> what you want to do. Maybe you have already put your entries in for
> your own club area. I'm happy either way but would like to start
> having it planed out a bit.
>
> regards Russell
>
> PS: I would imagine? we would need at least a dozen SEL members to be
> given a voice/space at the rallyAt 01:01 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote:
>>My reply attribution doesn't include your system date, but the headers
>>in this, your latest message, indicate you've fixed the problem.
>>
>>BTW, it's been a while since I've seen Eudora!
>>
>>Cheers, glen.
>>
>>Russell Gilbert wrote:
>> > Wanting an answer to my PC troubles? If you look at my last reply
>> > here the date shows up as 10 OCT 2000?? I have reset the time again
>> > now but why would this happen ??M What kind of gremlins do I have. I
>> > have also tried to post a note re the Aussie national which just wont
>> > come through?? I have sent it three time over the past 4 or 5 days??
>> > Sorry about the OT
>> > Russell
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
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From brock at netspeed.com.au  Sat Nov  1 00:36:31 2008
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (brock at netspeed.com.au)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:36:31 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed
Message-ID: <490c06ff.107.3e07.2040472413@netspeed.com.au>

I agree with Edd we should not be told where to set up. If
you attend any other normal club rally we dont have to put
with this bull S#!+ i can understand that they are trying to
all clubs together maybe an idea we get a banner or a sign
made with the SEL logo like the guys use in portland etc
then they cant do nothing about it 
Brock

----- Original Message -----
From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine info needed
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:39:35 +1100

> Hi Russell.At the moment I am intending to go to the
> national but it looks  like we are getting told what to do
> already.I for one want to be in a  compound with my
> friends not my club.The way things go I would probably be 
> on my own or with maybe a couple of engines only.I have
> never pre registered  for a rally in my life and don't
> intend to start now .I just turn up and go  where my
> friends are.Why do the organisers alway try to take the
> fun out of  this hobby with stupid rules!!!!!!!.I would be
> interested in a SEL compound  but if Mick and Brock etc
> are not interested no go. EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Sent: Saturday, November
> 01, 2008 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine info needed
> 
> 
> > G'day all; Is there any real interest in having the SEL
> > gather in one area for the 2009 National?? I ask as I
> > have just got off the phone to Alan Wheaton (from SA,
> > not wagga) who has told me that all entries will be
> placed in club compounds. I, as a member of VMSOS could
> > not go and jump into the compound with say some guys
> from Sydney! >
> > I will have my 6hp Campbell at the Rally along with two
> > other Campbell engines. Brad Pit with his 4hp, and Mick
> > Christie with his 2hp. (THE THREE OF US ARE ALL FROM
> > DIFERENT CLUBS) We had the plan of putting the three
> > engines together which would be quite a site. Alan said
> we would need to mark all entries as comming from the same
> > club to get in the same compound?? So these guys would
> > either have to say they are from our Mildura Club, or
> > collectively we have enough interest to have an SEL
> compound?? >
> > So about time we heard from a number of you guys to
> > actually voice what you want to do. Maybe you have
> > already put your entries in for your own club area. I'm
> > happy either way but would like to start having it
> planed out a bit. >
> > regards Russell
> >
> > PS: I would imagine? we would need at least a dozen SEL
> > members to be given a voice/space at the rallyAt 01:01
> PM 1/11/2008, you wrote: >>My reply attribution doesn't
> include your system date, but the headers >>in this, your
> latest message, indicate you've fixed the problem. >>
> >>BTW, it's been a while since I've seen Eudora!
> >>
> >>Cheers, glen.
> >>
> >>Russell Gilbert wrote:
> >> > Wanting an answer to my PC troubles? If you look at
> my last reply >> > here the date shows up as 10 OCT 2000??
> I have reset the time again >> > now but why would this
> happen ??M What kind of gremlins do I have. I >> > have
> also tried to post a note re the Aussie national which
> just wont >> > come through?? I have sent it three time
> over the past 4 or 5 days?? >> > Sorry about the OT
> >> > Russell
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>SEL mailing list
> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > Russell Gilbert
> > Sunny Sunraysia
> > russell at ncable.com.au
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Sat Nov  1 00:52:23 2008
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:52:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed
In-Reply-To: <490c06ff.107.3e07.2040472413@netspeed.com.au>
References: <490c06ff.107.3e07.2040472413@netspeed.com.au>
Message-ID: <8EA4FD21F52B493C82A8A960E6FCEC2A@KerryPC>

Do as I do, tell all nationals to get stuffed, I will not go to another one, 
the Gestapo camp leaders can have the rallies to themselves.

Kerry
needed


>I agree with Edd we should not be told where to set up. 



From page at velocitynet.com.au  Sat Nov  1 02:04:38 2008
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:04:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed
In-Reply-To: <8EA4FD21F52B493C82A8A960E6FCEC2A@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <002501c93c00$de465e70$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Well well well.  Organisers are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
I think you will find that organizers try to cater for the majority and you
will find most attendees feel comfortable within their own group. However, I
am sure that if you put it to the organisers that you would like to have a
dedicated grouping they would oblige.  No harm in putting a case rather than
bleating about it.

Ron 

Canberra   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
Sent: Saturday, 1 November 2008 6:52 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine info needed

Do as I do, tell all nationals to get stuffed, I will not go to another one,

the Gestapo camp leaders can have the rallies to themselves.

Kerry
needed


>I agree with Edd we should not be told where to set up. 

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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  1 14:29:30 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:29:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed
References: <380-220081053105842748@coastalnet.com><7.0.1.0.1.20001020001930.020b3780@ncable.com.au><7.0.1.0.1.20081101105119.023125f0@ncable.com.au><490BB895.4080605@iamnota.org><7.0.1.0.1.20081101144853.0232b6d8@ncable.com.au>
	<EA0CA78E705945E094779AB481CAB98A@Edd>
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> Hi Russell.At the moment I am intending to go to the national but it looks
> like we are getting told what to do already.I for one want to be in a
> compound with my friends not my club.      Ed
///////
maybe an idea we get a banner or a sign
made with the SEL logo.     Brock
//////////
Do as I do, tell all nationals to get stuffed, I will not go to another one,
the Gestapo camp leaders can have the rallies to themselves.    Kerry
//////////////
/////////////////

Perhaps they fear an outbreak of violence between rival clubs  ?
They can be very territorial when it comes to shade and water spigots .

Chuck 



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Nov  2 00:17:27 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 18:17:27 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed
In-Reply-To: <8EA4FD21F52B493C82A8A960E6FCEC2A@KerryPC>
References: <490c06ff.107.3e07.2040472413@netspeed.com.au>
	<8EA4FD21F52B493C82A8A960E6FCEC2A@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <9C6AA7CC255440559414E741D8983361@PML>

I can understand the need for organisation at a big event but often the
organisers get so caught up in organising that they can suck all the
humanity and enjoyment out of an event. Setting rigorous rules, especially
in a hobby, is a sure way to drive people away.
I cannot put it as eloquently as Kerry, but I certainly will not be
bothering to go to the expense and time to drag an engine all the way to a
National just to put up with stupidity. I can stay here & go to work for
that.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html


-----Original Message-----


Do as I do, tell all nationals to get stuffed, I will not go to another one,

the Gestapo camp leaders can have the rallies to themselves.

Kerry






From mickc at vic.australis.com.au  Sun Nov  2 01:04:50 2008
From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (mick christie)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:04:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] [S] Re:  Engine info needed
References: <380-220081053105842748@coastalnet.com><7.0.1.0.1.20001020001930.020b3780@ncable.com.au><7.0.1.0.1.20081101105119.023125f0@ncable.com.au><490BB895.4080605@iamnota.org><7.0.1.0.1.20081101144853.0232b6d8@ncable.com.au>
	<EA0CA78E705945E094779AB481CAB98A@Edd>
Message-ID: <DD1D6930DFC744DEAEF682F523CF1312@n>

G'day all
all i can say about this club only thing is just dont worry about it, they 
tried to do this at the Naracourt national rally and it got hit on the head 
VERY, VERY quickly as nobody listened to them and they just let it go 
because they cannot police it and nobody was listening, what are they gunna 
do, send you home??!! i'll do what i always do and go where i want, if they 
have a problem they are gunna know about it!! trust me it wont work!!
   cheers
            mick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edd Payne" <edsengns at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:39 PM
Subject: [S] Re: [SEL] Engine info needed


> Hi Russell.At the moment I am intending to go to the national but it looks
> like we are getting told what to do already.I for one want to be in a
> compound with my friends not my club.The way things go I would probably be
> on my own or with maybe a couple of engines only.I have never pre 
> registered
> for a rally in my life and don't intend to start now .I just turn up and 
> go
> where my friends are.Why do the organisers alway try to take the fun out 
> of
> this hobby with stupid rules!!!!!!!.I would be interested in a SEL 
> compound
> but if Mick and Brock etc are not interested no go.
> EDD PAYNE
> PO Box 364 Gulgong N.S.W
> Australia
> 2852
> Phone:0263742387
> edsengns at optusnet.com.au
> edsengns
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 2:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine info needed
>
>
>> G'day all; Is there any real interest in having the SEL gather in one
>> area for the 2009 National?? I ask as I have just got off the phone
>> to Alan Wheaton (from SA, not wagga) who has told me that all entries
>> will be placed in club compounds. I, as a member of VMSOS could not
>> go and jump into the compound with say some guys from Sydney!
>>
>> I will have my 6hp Campbell at the Rally along with two other
>> Campbell engines. Brad Pit with his 4hp, and Mick Christie with his
>> 2hp. (THE THREE OF US ARE ALL FROM DIFERENT CLUBS) We had the plan of
>> putting the three engines together which would be quite a site. Alan
>> said we would need to mark all entries as comming from the same club
>> to get in the same compound?? So these guys would either have to say
>> they are from our Mildura Club, or collectively we have enough
>> interest to have an SEL compound??
>>
>> So about time we heard from a number of you guys to actually voice
>> what you want to do. Maybe you have already put your entries in for
>> your own club area. I'm happy either way but would like to start
>> having it planed out a bit.
>>
>> regards Russell
>>
>> PS: I would imagine? we would need at least a dozen SEL members to be
>> given a voice/space at the rallyAt 01:01 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote:
>>>My reply attribution doesn't include your system date, but the headers
>>>in this, your latest message, indicate you've fixed the problem.
>>>
>>>BTW, it's been a while since I've seen Eudora!
>>>
>>>Cheers, glen.
>>>
>>>Russell Gilbert wrote:
>>> > Wanting an answer to my PC troubles? If you look at my last reply
>>> > here the date shows up as 10 OCT 2000?? I have reset the time again
>>> > now but why would this happen ??M What kind of gremlins do I have. I
>>> > have also tried to post a note re the Aussie national which just wont
>>> > come through?? I have sent it three time over the past 4 or 5 days??
>>> > Sorry about the OT
>>> > Russell
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> Russell Gilbert
>> Sunny Sunraysia
>> russell at ncable.com.au
>> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Nov  2 06:42:01 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:42:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed
In-Reply-To: <9C6AA7CC255440559414E741D8983361@PML>
References: <490c06ff.107.3e07.2040472413@netspeed.com.au>
	<8EA4FD21F52B493C82A8A960E6FCEC2A@KerryPC>
	<9C6AA7CC255440559414E741D8983361@PML>
Message-ID: <0A6E29F1-EC1F-442E-91E5-DCD813C3A019@alltel.net>

The first time we had some of you guys from down under at the Portland  
show we built a cage to contain the "problems from OZ." After a while  
we found that if we gave you mates a few beers we could turn you loose  
and pretty well let you wander around almost any place you wanted to go.
	Dave
PS, Reg was, of course, a different story!



On Nov 2, 2008, at 2:17 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

> I can understand the need for organisation at a big event but often  
> the
> organisers get so caught up in organising that they can suck all the
> humanity and enjoyment out of an event. Setting rigorous rules,  
> especially
> in a hobby, is a sure way to drive people away.
> I cannot put it as eloquently as Kerry, but I certainly will not be
> bothering to go to the expense and time to drag an engine all the  
> way to a
> National just to put up with stupidity. I can stay here & go to work  
> for
> that.
> Patrick
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> Do as I do, tell all nationals to get stuffed, I will not go to  
> another one,
>
> the Gestapo camp leaders can have the rallies to themselves.
>
> Kerry
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Nov  2 12:53:23 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:53:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed
References: <490c06ff.107.3e07.2040472413@netspeed.com.au><8EA4FD21F52B493C82A8A960E6FCEC2A@KerryPC><9C6AA7CC255440559414E741D8983361@PML>
	<0A6E29F1-EC1F-442E-91E5-DCD813C3A019@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <0E240D1FA6D342FEAB92D2F0B7CE472D@PETER>

Reg should always be kept caged ;-))

Peter, Oz





> The first time we had some of you guys from down under at the Portland  
> show we built a cage to contain the "problems from OZ." After a while  
> we found that if we gave you mates a few beers we could turn you loose  
> and pretty well let you wander around almost any place you wanted to go.
> Dave
> PS, Reg was, of course, a different story!
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 2, 2008, at 2:17 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:
> 
>> I can understand the need for organisation at a big event but often  
>> the
>> organisers get so caught up in organising that they can suck all the
>> humanity and enjoyment out of an event. Setting rigorous rules,  
>> especially
>> in a hobby, is a sure way to drive people away.
>> I cannot put it as eloquently as Kerry, but I certainly will not be
>> bothering to go to the expense and time to drag an engine all the  
>> way to a
>> National just to put up with stupidity. I can stay here & go to work  
>> for
>> that.
>> Patrick
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>
>> Do as I do, tell all nationals to get stuffed, I will not go to  
>> another one,
>>
>> the Gestapo camp leaders can have the rallies to themselves.
>>
>> Kerry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From ilifa at internode.on.net  Sun Nov  2 15:14:02 2008
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:14:02 +1100
Subject: [SEL] ENGINE DATES
In-Reply-To: <AE40AFB4875B44C4A748655875546227@armstrong>
References: <AE40AFB4875B44C4A748655875546227@armstrong>
Message-ID: <A659417B-ADF9-4909-92DA-43EF09942E97@internode.on.net>

Regarding the dating of the Ruston Hornsby engines built by Harris  
Scarfe & Sandovers, I have been doing more research. Should have done  
it before my last misleading post!
 From an internet search I have found that Sandovers Ltd bought out  
the Perth branch of Harris, Scarfe & Co back in 1923. What confused me  
was that they advertised as Sandovers well into the 1940's.
So, this now makes the 1940 - 1945 era as the dates of manufacture for  
these engines as I originally believed. I just confused myself along  
the way!
Here are some sites to look at:
http://www.cityofadelaide.org.au/Sandover_William.shtml
http://adbonline.anu.edu.au/biogs/A160203b.htm
http://www.dhub.org/object/319882,perth
http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/restore/ruston_hornsby/ruston_hornsby2.html

Eric



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Nov  2 17:55:09 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:55:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed
In-Reply-To: <0E240D1FA6D342FEAB92D2F0B7CE472D@PETER>
References: <490c06ff.107.3e07.2040472413@netspeed.com.au><8EA4FD21F52B493C82A8A960E6FCEC2A@KerryPC><9C6AA7CC255440559414E741D8983361@PML>
	<0A6E29F1-EC1F-442E-91E5-DCD813C3A019@alltel.net>
	<0E240D1FA6D342FEAB92D2F0B7CE472D@PETER>
Message-ID: <39CC9912-B2CD-44FD-961F-3F72CE43EC69@alltel.net>

Hi Peter, Why did you not warn us of that in 1998?
	Dave


On Nov 2, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> Reg should always be kept caged ;-))
>
> Peter, Oz
>
>
>
>
>
>> The first time we had some of you guys from down under at the  
>> Portland
>> show we built a cage to contain the "problems from OZ." After a while
>> we found that if we gave you mates a few beers we could turn you  
>> loose
>> and pretty well let you wander around almost any place you wanted  
>> to go.
>> Dave
>> PS, Reg was, of course, a different story!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 2, 2008, at 2:17 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:
>>
>>> I can understand the need for organisation at a big event but often
>>> the
>>> organisers get so caught up in organising that they can suck all the
>>> humanity and enjoyment out of an event. Setting rigorous rules,
>>> especially
>>> in a hobby, is a sure way to drive people away.
>>> I cannot put it as eloquently as Kerry, but I certainly will not be
>>> bothering to go to the expense and time to drag an engine all the
>>> way to a
>>> National just to put up with stupidity. I can stay here & go to work
>>> for
>>> that.
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> Patrick M Livingstone
>>> Leichhardt NSW
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>
>>> Do as I do, tell all nationals to get stuffed, I will not go to
>>> another one,
>>>
>>> the Gestapo camp leaders can have the rallies to themselves.
>>>
>>> Kerry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Nov  2 19:16:43 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:16:43 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed
References: <490c06ff.107.3e07.2040472413@netspeed.com.au><8EA4FD21F52B493C82A8A960E6FCEC2A@KerryPC><9C6AA7CC255440559414E741D8983361@PML><0A6E29F1-EC1F-442E-91E5-DCD813C3A019@alltel.net><0E240D1FA6D342FEAB92D2F0B7CE472D@PETER>
	<39CC9912-B2CD-44FD-961F-3F72CE43EC69@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <B149B9288E8840AEB38E727E6A301FBA@PETER>

Sorry Dave, just slipped my mind (smile) NOT

Pete, Oz





> Hi Peter, Why did you not warn us of that in 1998?
> Dave
> 
> 
> On Nov 2, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Peter Lowe wrote:
> 
>> Reg should always be kept caged ;-))
>>
>> Peter, Oz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> The first time we had some of you guys from down under at the  
>>> Portland
>>> show we built a cage to contain the "problems from OZ." After a while
>>> we found that if we gave you mates a few beers we could turn you  
>>> loose
>>> and pretty well let you wander around almost any place you wanted  
>>> to go.
>>> Dave
>>> PS, Reg was, of course, a different story!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 2, 2008, at 2:17 AM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can understand the need for organisation at a big event but often
>>>> the
>>>> organisers get so caught up in organising that they can suck all the
>>>> humanity and enjoyment out of an event. Setting rigorous rules,
>>>> especially
>>>> in a hobby, is a sure way to drive people away.
>>>> I cannot put it as eloquently as Kerry, but I certainly will not be
>>>> bothering to go to the expense and time to drag an engine all the
>>>> way to a
>>>> National just to put up with stupidity. I can stay here & go to work
>>>> for
>>>> that.
>>>> Patrick
>>>>
>>>> Patrick M Livingstone
>>>> Leichhardt NSW
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do as I do, tell all nationals to get stuffed, I will not go to
>>>> another one,
>>>>
>>>> the Gestapo camp leaders can have the rallies to themselves.
>>>>
>>>> Kerry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> 
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From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Nov  2 20:31:27 2008
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 22:31:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] RFD TV Show
In-Reply-To: <40495A852DF947749952596EF28E4072@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <40495A852DF947749952596EF28E4072@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <0K9Q0078XPVG9U33@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>

Sure do miss having the RFD TV... although I DON'T at all miss the 
Dish Network that it came with!!

-Tony


At 06:15 AM 10/27/2008, you wrote:
>I occasionally watch RFD TV and will catch an Engine and Tractor show
>they'll feature.  I got an email today from Aumann Auctions telling of
>their show on RFD TV called "Aumann's Album".   I haven't seen it on RFD
>but I'm going to try to catch it.  Here's a Youtube clip they sent with
>the email.  Looks like it could be fun to watch:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfcGxG-3ye8
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Nov  3 06:54:56 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:54:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day?
In-Reply-To: <451E08F514574A11AAE6A68895E657A4@GALMIWHOLROYDMH>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEIBHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

When I was up in 'ol Kaintuck last week, I studied the head and "injector" of a Thermoil so I can continue designing and building a small size (not model) Hvid engine.

Does that count??

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> milo at hughes.net
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 08:45 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ 
> messages per day?




From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Nov  3 06:58:15 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:58:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ messages per day?
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E640105908BB989C@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEIBHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Long live Socialism!

Gimme my engine!!!

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Best,
> George
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:31 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Who remembers the 100+ 
> messages per day?
> 
> 
> Dave,
> 
> Don't worry.
> 
> Obama likes to redistribute wealth by taking from 
> those that have and
> giving to the less fortunate.
> 
> Seems to me his supporters should have the same 
> views, and realize how
> wrong it is for them to have so many rare engines 
> and sideshafts.
> 
> I'll be looking forward to the redistribution of 
> engines to us less
> fortunate collectors!
> 
> George




From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Nov  3 07:05:36 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:05:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC:  Three for one deal:  One message,
	three engine pictures.
In-Reply-To: <A178BE79-027B-415F-9D57-A0147D7C4256@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEICHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Rob:

All three came out the same.

I can remember the days of my youth when you could hear them a-comin' down the line..........Pu-putt, pu-putt, putt, putt, pu-putt.

All I can say is that they are a LOT less annoying than Maytage!   :-)

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Rob Skinner
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 04:56 PM
> To: Stationary-Engine ATIS
> Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC: Three for one deal: One 
> message,three engine
> pictures.
> 
> 
> You can't attach pictures to SEL messages
> :-(
> But you can click on these.
> They were taken yesterday.
> 
> http://xrl.us/ovbgx
> http://xrl.us/ovbgz
> http://xrl.us/ovbg9




From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Mon Nov  3 15:54:58 2008
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:54:58 +0900
Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC:  Three for one deal:  One message,
 three engine pictures.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEICHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEICHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <490F8F52.3070402@optusnet.com.au>

Elden DuRand wrote:
> Rob:
>
> All three came out the same.
>
> I can remember the days of my youth when you could hear them a-comin' down the line..........Pu-putt, pu-putt, putt, putt, pu-putt.
>
> All I can say is that they are a LOT less annoying than Maytage!   :-)
>
> Take care - Elde
>   
===
I can remember going with my Uncle Pat who was a Railway Lengthsman 
Ganger at Tara, Quensland (Oz) in about 1946, on their Fairmont with a 
flat-top trailer, gang of half a dozen men with all their tools and 
equipment, plus a few kangaroo dogs. At the end of their length (about a 
45 mile length of railway they were responsible for), to return they 
simply stopped the engine (a 2-stroke), pushed the long magneto 
advance/retard lever back the opposite way and restarted the engine in 
reverse, and came home pushing the trailer.

It had no roof, windscreen, or other luxurious apointments - just a 
couple of padded planks for seats and footboards on each side, but I 
thought it was bonzer!

JW?
===



From gastzt at aol.com  Mon Nov  3 14:27:29 2008
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:27:29 EST
Subject: [SEL] RFD TV Show
Message-ID: <c5c.3c1bf01b.3640d4d1@aol.com>

directv does the trick very good with RFD  tv---     $29---
  Stan,
 Pleasanton, Tex
 
 
In a message dated 11/2/2008 10:33:55 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
kimmell at verizon.net writes:

Sure do  miss having the RFD TV... although I DON'T at all miss the 
Dish Network  that it came with!!

-Tony


At 06:15 AM 10/27/2008, you  wrote:
>I occasionally watch RFD TV and will catch an Engine and Tractor  show
>they'll feature.  I got an email today from Aumann Auctions  telling of
>their show on RFD TV called "Aumann's Album".   I  haven't seen it on RFD
>but I'm going to try to catch it.  Here's a  Youtube clip they sent with
>the email.  Looks like it could be fun  to  watch:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfcGxG-3ye8
>
>Tommy  Turner
>Magnolia,  KY
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL  mailing  list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov  3 17:09:44 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:09:44 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
Message-ID: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>

Gang, as usual I need some help.

My grandson, who lives with me, drives a 1997 Dodge Ram 1/2 Ton Pickup. He tells me that he can just be driving down the road, at ,and all of his dash lights and tail lights will go out. He has to pull over and remove the blown fuse and install a new fuse. I told him he is going to kill himself or someone else and that we have to locate the short.

Does anyone have a wiring diagram for this truck that they could share with me?

Thanks guys for any help you can give me on this.

Paul


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Nov  3 17:30:58 2008
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:30:58 EST
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
Message-ID: <d60.38e1a73d.3640ffd2@aol.com>

Paul.
Our local library has wiring diagrams for various vehicle.  I  can check with 
the library tomorrow if no one else can help  you.
 

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 93454

 
 
In a message dated 11/3/2008 5:14:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes:

Does  anyone have a wiring diagram for this truck that they could share with 
me?  



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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 17:44:37 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:44:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
In-Reply-To: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
Message-ID: <341981.73229.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Paul;

Do you have a good sized library near you?
I go to our library and get a complete wiring diagram for every 
vehicle we get.
I can even get a detailed diagram just for any system on the car.
I found the general diagram confusing while working on power windows 
so I dropped by the library and printed out one that just has 
the power window wiring on it.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Mon, 11/3/08, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 8:09 PM
> Gang, as usual I need some help.
> 
> My grandson, who lives with me, drives a 1997 Dodge Ram 1/2
> Ton Pickup. He tells me that he can just be driving down the
> road, at ,and all of his dash lights and tail lights will go
> out. He has to pull over and remove the blown fuse and
> install a new fuse. I told him he is going to kill himself
> or someone else and that we have to locate the short.
> 
> Does anyone have a wiring diagram for this truck that they
> could share with me?
> 
> Thanks guys for any help you can give me on this.
> 
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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From driggars at wildblue.net  Mon Nov  3 18:34:43 2008
From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:34:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
In-Reply-To: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
References: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
Message-ID: <490FB4C3.10809@wildblue.net>

paul
I was having this same problem a while back, I found that the wiring at 
the rear for a trailer hook up had rubbed on a sharp part of the bumper 
enough to expose the wires and shorted on occasion. I replaced it and 
all is well
Clint

paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Gang, as usual I need some help.
>
> My grandson, who lives with me, drives a 1997 Dodge Ram 1/2 Ton Pickup. He tells me that he can just be driving down the road, at ,and all of his dash lights and tail lights will go out. He has to pull over and remove the blown fuse and install a new fuse. I told him he is going to kill himself or someone else and that we have to locate the short.
>
> Does anyone have a wiring diagram for this truck that they could share with me?
>
> Thanks guys for any help you can give me on this.
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
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>   


From elidas at aol.com  Mon Nov  3 18:46:58 2008
From: elidas at aol.com (elidas at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:46:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
In-Reply-To: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
References: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
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-----Original Message-----
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 8:09 pm
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem



Gang, as usual I need some help.

My grandson, who lives with me, drives a 1997 Dodge Ram 1/2 Ton Pickup. 
He tells
me that he can just be driving down the road, at ,and all of his dash 
lights and
tail lights will go out. He has to pull over and remove the blown fuse 
and
install a new fuse. I told him he is going to kill himself or someone 
else and
that we have to locate the short.

Does anyone have a wiring diagram for this truck that they could share 
with me?

Thanks guys for any help you can give me on this.

Paul

  If this truck has a trailer hitch start at the trailer wiring. Very 
common. Did he make any "improvements"?
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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 18:59:12 2008
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:59:12 -0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
In-Reply-To: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
References: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0811031859p457d56e3tda22d8989c7a66a9@mail.gmail.com>

One and all:
Try this site:
http://www.marshallpl.org

scroll down,  you will see a little box that says "EBSCO HOST"
click the box it will bring up a sign in screen.

enter User ID:    marshall
password:        public

It doesn't have all manuals, but it has plenty. It also has small engine and
tractor manuals.

Paul in SanFran

PS: I'd start by looking for a trailer hook-up or other modifications.


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov  3 19:44:17 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:44:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
References: <d60.38e1a73d.3640ffd2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <828BE2EB19224C7EB0D06CCC1095C4EB@PAUL>

Thanks Francis. Right after I posted this message I had to make an emergency 
run for another one of the kids and I am just not getting back on the 
computer. I will let you know if someone else comes through for me.

I appreciate you.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem


> Paul.
> Our local library has wiring diagrams for various vehicle.  I  can check 
> with
> the library tomorrow if no one else can help  you.
>
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA 93454
>
>
>
> 


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov  3 19:47:01 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:47:01 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
References: <341981.73229.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5AE62D9271C440AC8433F6AD84278FDD@PAUL>

We have a small community library. I will call them tomorrow to see if they 
have any wiring diagrams for vehicles.

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem


> Hi Paul;
>
> Do you have a good sized library near you?
> I go to our library and get a complete wiring diagram for every
> vehicle we get.
> I can even get a detailed diagram just for any system on the car.
> I found the general diagram confusing while working on power windows
> so I dropped by the library and printed out one that just has
> the power window wiring on it.
>
> Alan in Michigan
>
> --- 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov  3 19:49:51 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:49:51 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
References: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
	<490FB4C3.10809@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <6C4A6085AF4C447B87B01A254097E20C@PAUL>

Thanks Clint, Alan said the same thing so I will begin the search back there 
tomorrow.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clint D" <driggars at wildblue.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem


> paul
> I was having this same problem a while back, I found that the wiring at
> the rear for a trailer hook up had rubbed on a sharp part of the bumper
> enough to expose the wires and shorted on occasion. I replaced it and
> all is well
> Clint
>
> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>> Gang, as usual I need some help.
>>
>> My grandson, who lives with me, drives a 1997 Dodge Ram 1/2 Ton Pickup. 
>> He tells me that he can just be driving down the road, at ,and all of his 
>> dash lights and tail lights will go out. He has to pull over and remove 
>> the blown fuse and install a new fuse. I told him he is going to kill 
>> himself or someone else and that we have to locate the short.
>>
>> Does anyone have a wiring diagram for this truck that they could share 
>> with me?
>>
>> Thanks guys for any help you can give me on this.
>>
>> Paul
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov  3 19:51:21 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:51:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
References: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
	<8CB0C3EBD643B98-294-2EB7@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8B1558EE1F0A4189A791965D0866E78D@PAUL>

No improvements but sure tearing a lot of things apart.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <elidas at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem


> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > 
> 
> Gang, as usual I need some help.
> 
> > 
> Paul
> 
>  If this truck has a trailer hitch start at the trailer wiring. Very 
> common. Did he make any "improvements"?
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov  3 19:51:49 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:51:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
References: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
	<8d3c36fb0811031859p457d56e3tda22d8989c7a66a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2313AE43ED0948AB9632A7EC4BB8BCBB@PAUL>

Thanks Paul, I will go and check this out.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem


> One and all:
> Try this site:
> http://www.marshallpl.org
>
> scroll down,  you will see a little box that says "EBSCO HOST"
> click the box it will bring up a sign in screen.
>
> enter User ID:    marshall
> password:        public
>
> It doesn't have all manuals, but it has plenty. It also has small engine 
> and
> tractor manuals.
>
> Paul in SanFran
>
> PS: I'd start by looking for a trailer hook-up or other modifications.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov  3 19:56:03 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:56:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
References: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
	<8d3c36fb0811031859p457d56e3tda22d8989c7a66a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <616586C783E748679E24C1B337921F60@PAUL>

Paul I went to the site and have searched everywhere and cannot fine the 
"EBSCO HOST" box you metnioned. I must be missing something.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem


> One and all:
> Try this site:
> http://www.marshallpl.org
>
> scroll down,  you will see a little box that says "EBSCO HOST"
> click the box it will bring up a sign in screen.
>
> enter User ID:    marshall
> password:        public
>
> It doesn't have all manuals, but it has plenty. It also has small engine 
> and
> tractor manuals.
>
> Paul in SanFran
>
> PS: I'd start by looking for a trailer hook-up or other modifications.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Mon Nov  3 20:06:14 2008
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:06:14 -0700
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
In-Reply-To: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL><8CB0C3EBD643B98-294-2EB7@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com>
	<8B1558EE1F0A4189A791965D0866E78D@PAUL>
References: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL><8CB0C3EBD643B98-294-2EB7@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com>
	<8B1558EE1F0A4189A791965D0866E78D@PAUL>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DS56CC7EBBE517C55156872BB1C0@phx.gbl>

Paul, put in a new fuse, turn on everything (hopefully it won't blow) and 
start wiggling wires, especially around the trailer connector if it has one.

  Work all the way up to the front.

Good Luck,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem


> No improvements but sure tearing a lot of things apart.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <elidas at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >
> >
> > Gang, as usual I need some help.
> >
> > >
> > Paul
> >
> >  If this truck has a trailer hitch start at the trailer wiring. Very
> > common. Did he make any "improvements"?
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From christison at coastalnet.com  Mon Nov  3 20:14:53 2008
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:14:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
Message-ID: <380-22008112441453546@coastalnet.com>

Click on "Databases" in the left column, then EBSCO Host

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 11/3/2008 10:56:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
>
> Paul I went to the site and have searched everywhere and cannot fine the 
> "EBSCO HOST" box you metnioned. I must be missing something.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
>
>
> > One and all:
> > Try this site:
> > http://www.marshallpl.org
> >
> > scroll down,  you will see a little box that says "EBSCO HOST"
> > click the box it will bring up a sign in screen.
> >
> > enter User ID:    marshall
> > password:        public
> >
> > It doesn't have all manuals, but it has plenty. It also has small
engine 
> > and
> > tractor manuals.
> >
> > Paul in SanFran
> >
> > PS: I'd start by looking for a trailer hook-up or other modifications.
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Nov  3 20:17:36 2008
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:17:36 EST
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
Message-ID: <c7a.4681aba8.364126e0@aol.com>

Paul, 
On the left side of the web site, you will see several blocks  starting with 
Administration.   Go down to Databases and click on  it.  A new screen will 
come up with the "EBSCO HOST".
 
Francis
 
 
In a message dated 11/3/2008 7:03:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
enginepaul at gmail.com writes:

scroll  down,  you will see a little box that says "EBSCO  HOST"

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From driggars at wildblue.net  Mon Nov  3 20:24:34 2008
From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:24:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
In-Reply-To: <8d3c36fb0811031859p457d56e3tda22d8989c7a66a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>
	<8d3c36fb0811031859p457d56e3tda22d8989c7a66a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490FCE82.5070003@wildblue.net>

paul
Hummm? I can't find or see that little link on that page?
Clint

P. Johns wrote:
> One and all:
> Try this site:
> http://www.marshallpl.org
>
> scroll down,  you will see a little box that says "EBSCO HOST"
> click the box it will bring up a sign in screen.
>
> enter User ID:    marshall
> password:        public
>
> It doesn't have all manuals, but it has plenty. It also has small engine and
> tractor manuals.
>
> Paul in SanFran
>
> PS: I'd start by looking for a trailer hook-up or other modifications.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>   


From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Nov  3 20:25:41 2008
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:25:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
Message-ID: <490FCEC5.5000904@telenet.net>

On 11/3/2008 10:56:03 PM, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Paul I went to the site and have searched everywhere and cannot fine the
> "EBSCO HOST" box you metnioned. I must be missing something.
> 
> Paul
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
> 
> 
> > One and all:
> > Try this site:
> > http://www.marshallpl.org

Select the Databases tag on the left side. EBSCO is on the top left.

FYI Mitchell online http://www.eautorepair.net is a pretty good system. 
BUT they don't cover the basic stuff or collision repairs. Pricing isn't 
bad either. 30 bucks a year gets you updated factory manuals. You can 
print out the pages but you can't directly save them. You have to pull 
them out of the temp files.

-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York


From driggars at wildblue.net  Mon Nov  3 20:25:47 2008
From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:25:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
In-Reply-To: <616586C783E748679E24C1B337921F60@PAUL>
References: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>	<8d3c36fb0811031859p457d56e3tda22d8989c7a66a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<616586C783E748679E24C1B337921F60@PAUL>
Message-ID: <490FCECB.8020207@wildblue.net>

can't find it either?
Clint

paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Paul I went to the site and have searched everywhere and cannot fine the 
> "EBSCO HOST" box you metnioned. I must be missing something.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
>
>
>   
>> One and all:
>> Try this site:
>> http://www.marshallpl.org
>>
>> scroll down,  you will see a little box that says "EBSCO HOST"
>> click the box it will bring up a sign in screen.
>>
>> enter User ID:    marshall
>> password:        public
>>
>> It doesn't have all manuals, but it has plenty. It also has small engine 
>> and
>> tractor manuals.
>>
>> Paul in SanFran
>>
>> PS: I'd start by looking for a trailer hook-up or other modifications.
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>   


From driggars at wildblue.net  Mon Nov  3 20:27:23 2008
From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:27:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
In-Reply-To: <616586C783E748679E24C1B337921F60@PAUL>
References: <68B1B03F9AF34C0A92EE6419E1F91F76@PAUL>	<8d3c36fb0811031859p457d56e3tda22d8989c7a66a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<616586C783E748679E24C1B337921F60@PAUL>
Message-ID: <490FCF2B.6020501@wildblue.net>

I found it, on the left menu click "data base" then on that page you 
will see the link
Clint

paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Paul I went to the site and have searched everywhere and cannot fine the 
> "EBSCO HOST" box you metnioned. I must be missing something.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
>
>
>   
>> One and all:
>> Try this site:
>> http://www.marshallpl.org
>>
>> scroll down,  you will see a little box that says "EBSCO HOST"
>> click the box it will bring up a sign in screen.
>>
>> enter User ID:    marshall
>> password:        public
>>
>> It doesn't have all manuals, but it has plenty. It also has small engine 
>> and
>> tractor manuals.
>>
>> Paul in SanFran
>>
>> PS: I'd start by looking for a trailer hook-up or other modifications.
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>   


From enginepaul at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 20:48:24 2008
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:48:24 -0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
In-Reply-To: <490FCEC5.5000904@telenet.net>
References: <490FCEC5.5000904@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0811032048t216875d3g304e2a5c8373c76@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, updated info:

http://search.ebscohost.com/Login.aspx?lp=login.asp&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marshallpl.org%2F&authtype=ip,uid

That's the ebsco site.
When you get there, you'll find troubleshooting info and lots of other
stuff. After you sort through all the stuff, send the kids there to learn.

Sorry for the round about way, but they changed the site that I had
bookmarked.

Good luck,
Paul in SanFran


From gastzt at aol.com  Mon Nov  3 20:59:20 2008
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:59:20 EST
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
Message-ID: <bcd.3df88a2a.364130a8@aol.com>

Thanks Paul---
   We will ALL benefit from this---
  Stan in Pleasanton   (TX)
 
 
In a message dated 11/3/2008 10:53:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
enginepaul at gmail.com writes:

Ok,  updated  info:

http://search.ebscohost.com/Login.aspx?lp=login.asp&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marsh
allpl.org%2F&authtype=ip,uid

That's  the ebsco site.
When you get there, you'll find troubleshooting info and  lots of other
stuff. After you sort through all the stuff, send the kids  there to learn.

Sorry for the round about way, but they changed the  site that I had
bookmarked.

Good luck,
Paul in  SanFran
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From andyglines at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  4 11:44:27 2008
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:44:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1225818002.19831.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.3.1225818002.19831.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <COL107-W57762F1B7F1BE78E28A05C71C0@phx.gbl>


O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
 
I generally don't like Haynes brand manuals and find them to be pretty much useless EXCEPT for one thing.  Haynes manuals have wiring diagrams in the back of the book which have gotten me out of a few jams.  
BTW: The problem that you describe could very easily be caused by a faulty headlight switch.
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Nov  4 12:31:07 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:31:07 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Ken Meeks address
Message-ID: <57395AC740804ACD9326C5D80824388A@PETER>

Hi all
Does anyone have Ken Meeks address so I can get a guy to send a cheque for engine parts.
I have his phone number but he is away alot.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov  4 15:46:48 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:46:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. O.T. 1997 Dodge Ram Wiring problem
References: <490FCEC5.5000904@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <CC9816646A0C4813B228C1AB6A9E9596@PAUL>

Thanks to everyone who has written in to help me with this problem. I will 
let you guys know what I find.

Paul 



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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Nov  5 10:00:04 2008
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:00:04 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Picture check
Message-ID: <20081105.100005.1816.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
I have a couple of old catalogs with engine related parts.  I scanned a
couple of pages and put them on my Picasa page.  I am sure they would be
better in PDF format but as of now it is beyond me.  If you have time
check and see if they are readable.  Thanks.
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/EngineLiterature#

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Wed Nov  5 10:42:20 2008
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:42:20 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Picture check
In-Reply-To: <20081105.100005.1816.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20081105.100005.1816.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <280001c93f76$3e965460$8335c53e@doc>

Hi Ron

The first one was readable at the preview size, the second one just barely.
Both quite readable in slideshow mode.  My screen resolution: 1680 x 1050.

All the best

     Pete
-- 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Sent: 05 November 2008 18:00
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Picture check
> 
> Hi all.
> I have a couple of old catalogs with engine related parts.  I 
> scanned a
> couple of pages and put them on my Picasa page.  I am sure 
> they would be
> better in PDF format but as of now it is beyond me.  If you have time
> check and see if they are readable.  Thanks.
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/EngineLiterature#
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 10:46:04 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:46:04 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Picture check
In-Reply-To: <20081105.100005.1816.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20081105.100005.1816.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811051046i36df2f91j1d680f73d2a40bf0@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/11/2008, rdhaskell at juno.com <rdhaskell at juno.com> wrote:
> Hi all.
> I have a couple of old catalogs with engine related parts.  I scanned a
> couple of pages and put them on my Picasa page.  I am sure they would be
> better in PDF format but as of now it is beyond me.  If you have time
> check and see if they are readable.  Thanks.

The full-size images probably are OK, but visitors to the Picasa site
don't appear to have the option of viewing that, only the thumbnail.

PDF format is not especially 'better' than a jpeg, what you get out is
what you put in, you just need to clean the image up before you get
into its final format.

We scan at 300dpi, clean it up, save as a TIFF file for archiving,
then reduce and save as a jpeg for web use. Gives us two copies, one
is a high-quality TIFF with no compression losses, and one as a jpeg.

Peter
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From christison at coastalnet.com  Wed Nov  5 11:02:35 2008
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:02:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Picture check
Message-ID: <380-22008113519235843@coastalnet.com>

Ron,

Very readable at the large size.  No problem at all.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 11/5/2008 1:03:12 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Picture check
>
> Hi all.
> I have a couple of old catalogs with engine related parts.  I scanned a
> couple of pages and put them on my Picasa page.  I am sure they would be
> better in PDF format but as of now it is beyond me.  If you have time
> check and see if they are readable.  Thanks.
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/EngineLiterature#
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  5 11:19:31 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:19:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
Message-ID: <3DB716D280064DD7BF9D6A2D93ACFF26@PAUL>

Ok Gang I just came in from working on the truck and here is what I know so far:

It is the power door lock fuse that is blowing all of the time according to the fuse my grandson showed me that he is constantly replacing. Also we removed the headlight switch assembly and found that the main power wire coming to the switch block (I think it was green/red) had turned black at the connection block and the plastic around the connector at the switch assembly had shown signs of melting.

About two years or so ago this whole switch assembly had melted down and I had to install a new one, now the new one is showing signs of overheating.

Does this give anyone any clues?

I have crawled up under the rear of the truck and checked all of the wires, removed the taillight assemblies and checked all of the wires and crawled up under the front of the truck and checked all of the wires, I have checked inside of the engine well, I have tried shaking wires to get the lights to flicker and all to no avail.

He did tell me that when his headlights will begin to flicker he can reach over and raise up on the pull out knob for the headlights and it will stop, when he lets pressure off of the pull out knob for the headlights they will start to flicker again. It may be the blooming switch again which is a $100.00 plus unit.

Thanks for trying to help me with this.

Being an old veteran who was laid off from his job and trying to raise two grandkids limits my ability to put this in the shop and have it repaired so I will have to keep trying to find the problem.

Paul

From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Nov  5 12:54:10 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:54:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
In-Reply-To: <3DB716D280064DD7BF9D6A2D93ACFF26@PAUL>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEKDHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Paul:

This gives me a big clue!  CRUMMY HEADLIGHT SWITCH!

We had a motorhome that was built using '92 Dodge Cummins Diesel parts.  The headlight switch would get really hot when the lights were on.  I never had to replace the switch but was expecting to do so at any time.  I think the heat buildup was from the dashlight dimmer rheostat.  I think they had too many lights on the circuit.

We traded the motorhome.

We never blew a fuse but, if the switch melted internally, something could short out when it was hot.

Big help, ain't I?!!     :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 01:20 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
> 
> 
> Ok Gang I just came in from working on the truck 
> and here is what I know so far:
> 
> It is the power door lock fuse that is blowing 
> all of the time according to the fuse my grandson 
> showed me that he is constantly replacing. Also 
> we removed the headlight switch assembly and 
> found that the main power wire coming to the 
> switch block (I think it was green/red) had 
> turned black at the connection block and the 
> plastic around the connector at the switch 
> assembly had shown signs of melting.
> 
> About two years or so ago this whole switch 
> assembly had melted down and I had to install a 
> new one, now the new one is showing signs of overheating.
> 
> Does this give anyone any clues?

........................snippety-snip.................... 

> Paul




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Nov  5 11:48:18 2008
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:48:18 -0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
Message-ID: <20081105.114819.1816.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Paul.
My '94 Dodge was recalled to replace the headlight switch.  The original
one would not take the extra current of trailer lights, the PO melted one
switch.  I now have all load lights on a separate switch, fused and
through a Bosch relay.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Nov  5 11:55:06 2008
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 04:55:06 +0900
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
Message-ID: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>

I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations to the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory voting ,something I have no problem with.
Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .

From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  5 14:19:59 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:19:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
References: <3DB716D280064DD7BF9D6A2D93ACFF26@PAUL>
Message-ID: <004d01c93f94$a4a5d190$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>



> He did tell me that when his headlights will begin to flicker he can reach 
> over and raise up on the pull out knob for the headlights and it will 
> stop, when he lets pressure off of the pull out knob for the headlights 
> they will start to flicker again. It may be the blooming switch again 
> which is a $100.00 plus unit.>>>

The industry term for this is  "jiggling it " , and although quite primitive 
, you'll find it most indicative of a fault .


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From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Nov  5 14:48:15 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:48:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Petter Help Needed
Message-ID: <CFA752F5-379B-41CE-A003-E0E6A93E1E65@alltel.net>

Hi All,
	I have a friend who just obtained a Petter Type PJ1 diesel engine.  
The S/N is 7294/PJ1. It's a 10 HP and he wants to get it running in  
order to hook it up to a generator for his shop. Any information  
(particularly a copy of the manual for the engine) would sure be  
appreciated!
	Dave






From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Nov  5 14:51:22 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:51:22 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Petter Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <CFA752F5-379B-41CE-A003-E0E6A93E1E65@alltel.net>
References: <CFA752F5-379B-41CE-A003-E0E6A93E1E65@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <EDC178C3-4E30-4DAE-A2A5-105653E0BC6F@rustyiron.com>


On Nov 5, 2008, at 2:48 PM, David Rotigel wrote:

> Hi All,
> 	I have a friend who just obtained a Petter Type PJ1 diesel engine.
> The S/N is 7294/PJ1. It's a 10 HP and he wants to get it running in
> order to hook it up to a generator for his shop. Any information
> (particularly a copy of the manual for the engine) would sure be
> appreciated!
> 	Dave

Try Paul Evans.
http://www.internalfire.com













From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  5 16:18:19 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:18:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
References: <20081105.114819.1816.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <1A271CDEC5584264B615654FC52C7DB0@PAUL>

Ron he removed the trailer hitch a long time ago so there is no trailer 
lights to contend with however something is causing the light switch to pull 
a heavy load to cause the over heating. Thanks,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:48 PM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


> Hi Paul.
> My '94 Dodge was recalled to replace the headlight switch.  The original
> one would not take the extra current of trailer lights, the PO melted one
> switch.  I now have all load lights on a separate switch, fused and
> through a Bosch relay.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
> 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  5 16:19:46 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:19:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEKDHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <41F07145E8C141799BD1E9116608DC22@PAUL>

I agree with you Elden, maybe these headlight switches are just too weak for 
the common load. This is only a little 1/2 ton pickup with no trailer hitch 
or trailer lights to contend with.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


> Paul:
>
> This gives me a big clue!  CRUMMY HEADLIGHT SWITCH!
>
> We had a motorhome that was built using '92 Dodge Cummins Diesel parts. 
> The headlight switch would get really hot when the lights were on.  I 
> never had to replace the switch but was expecting to do so at any time.  I 
> think the heat buildup was from the dashlight dimmer rheostat.  I think 
> they had too many lights on the circuit.
>
> We traded the motorhome.
>
> We never blew a fuse but, if the switch melted internally, something could 
> short out when it was hot.
>
> Big help, ain't I?!!     :-)
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of
>> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 01:20 PM
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
>>
>>
>> Ok Gang I just came in from working on the truck
>> and here is what I know so far:
>>
>> It is the power door lock fuse that is blowing
>> all of the time according to the fuse my grandson
>> showed me that he is constantly replacing. Also
>> we removed the headlight switch assembly and
>> found that the main power wire coming to the
>> switch block (I think it was green/red) had
>> turned black at the connection block and the
>> plastic around the connector at the switch
>> assembly had shown signs of melting.
>>
>> About two years or so ago this whole switch
>> assembly had melted down and I had to install a
>> new one, now the new one is showing signs of overheating.
>>
>> Does this give anyone any clues?
>
> ........................snippety-snip....................
>
>> Paul
>
>
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Nov  5 16:18:32 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:18:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081105191036.03d4de10@pop3.wcoil.com>

You  have Compulsor voting????  Even though I disagree with folks who don't 
vote  I find the idea of compulsory voting repugnant.
Personally, I have never missed a voting day since I came of voting age. 
22-23 years ago and wouldn't dream of missing one but being forced too 
seems wrong too. Reminds me of the stories of the elections in Russia and 
the vote would almost always by unanimous for the party choice.   Mark


At 02:55 PM 11/5/08, you wrote:
>I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations to 
>the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic 
>rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory 
>voting ,something I have no problem with.
>Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .
>_______________________________________________

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454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

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Parts lists available on request.

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hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  5 16:22:02 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:22:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
References: <3DB716D280064DD7BF9D6A2D93ACFF26@PAUL>
	<004d01c93f94$a4a5d190$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <8970D874DBE44788AFB9242F8999EA2D@PAUL>

Thanks Chuck, it looks like I am going to be out the cost of another 
headlight switch and these darn things cost near a $100.00.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Balyeat" <kerogas at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


>
>
>> He did tell me that when his headlights will begin to flicker he can 
>> reach
>> over and raise up on the pull out knob for the headlights and it will
>> stop, when he lets pressure off of the pull out knob for the headlights
>> they will start to flicker again. It may be the blooming switch again
>> which is a $100.00 plus unit.>>>
>
> The industry term for this is  "jiggling it " , and although quite 
> primitive
> , you'll find it most indicative of a fault .
>
> 


From sndakitto at activ8.net.au  Wed Nov  5 17:18:17 2008
From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:18:17 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
In-Reply-To: <1A271CDEC5584264B615654FC52C7DB0@PAUL>
References: <20081105.114819.1816.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<1A271CDEC5584264B615654FC52C7DB0@PAUL>
Message-ID: <000301c93fad$901001b0$b0300510$@net.au>

Paul
I had this problem with a vehicle some years ago. What I did was to wire in
a relay to the light switch and reduce the amount of power to the light
switch. It never gave me any further trouble. It was a cheap option. It may
work for you.
Steve


Steve and Denise Kitto
95 Coleyville Road
Mutdapilly  QLD   Australia 4307 
Ph 07 54671541

As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.  
Proverbs 27:19
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2008 10:18
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!

Ron he removed the trailer hitch a long time ago so there is no trailer 
lights to contend with however something is causing the light switch to pull

a heavy load to cause the over heating. Thanks,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:48 PM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


> Hi Paul.
> My '94 Dodge was recalled to replace the headlight switch.  The original
> one would not take the extra current of trailer lights, the PO melted one
> switch.  I now have all load lights on a separate switch, fused and
> through a Bosch relay.
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
> 

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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Nov  5 18:26:47 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:26:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
In-Reply-To: <41F07145E8C141799BD1E9116608DC22@PAUL>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEKKHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Paul:

What you could do to eliminate the problem with the next $100 switch is to use a cube relay to "amplify" the current of the switch.  Now, all you need to know is what circuit is making the el-cheapo piece-of-whatever switch get hot.

To see if the dash light rheostat is causing the heat, just turn the knob 'til they're off and see if the switch still gets hot.  Of course, if a cop stops you for speeding, you've got the perfect excuse that will surely get you out of the ticket.....  :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 06:20 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
> 
> 
> I agree with you Elden, maybe these headlight 
> switches are just too weak for 
> the common load. This is only a little 1/2 ton 
> pickup with no trailer hitch 
> or trailer lights to contend with.
> 
> Paul




From d.fleming at sasktel.net  Wed Nov  5 17:22:42 2008
From: d.fleming at sasktel.net (don fleming)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:22:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
Message-ID: <002101c93fae$2bce9cb0$6401a8c0@2S4KN5K0H3>

Paul

I drove several Dodge trucks when I was working and never had a problem with 
the light switch.  I think I had to bandage up or rewire every one of the 
wiring harnesses from the rear wheels back because the insulation had been 
beat off the wires by flying stones. It is worth a good look.

Don Fleming
Kipling, Sk. Canada
<d.fleming at sasktel.net> 



From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Wed Nov  5 17:33:24 2008
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:33:24 +0900
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
References: <3DB716D280064DD7BF9D6A2D93ACFF26@PAUL>
Message-ID: <006a01c93faf$a9ced160$210110ac@Chester>

Paul,  the switch will melt out if the headlights have been upgraded (ie 
100w globes) and no relays fitted, might pay to check,
cheers,
Chester.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:19 AM
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


> Ok Gang I just came in from working on the truck and here is what I know 
> so far:
>
> It is the power door lock fuse that is blowing all of the time according 
> to the fuse my grandson showed me that he is constantly replacing. Also we 
> removed the headlight switch assembly and found that the main power wire 
> coming to the switch block (I think it was green/red) had turned black at 
> the connection block and the plastic around the connector at the switch 
> assembly had shown signs of melting.
>
> About two years or so ago this whole switch assembly had melted down and I 
> had to install a new one, now the new one is showing signs of overheating.
>
> Does this give anyone any clues?
>
> I have crawled up under the rear of the truck and checked all of the 
> wires, removed the taillight assemblies and checked all of the wires and 
> crawled up under the front of the truck and checked all of the wires, I 
> have checked inside of the engine well, I have tried shaking wires to get 
> the lights to flicker and all to no avail.
>
> He did tell me that when his headlights will begin to flicker he can reach 
> over and raise up on the pull out knob for the headlights and it will 
> stop, when he lets pressure off of the pull out knob for the headlights 
> they will start to flicker again. It may be the blooming switch again 
> which is a $100.00 plus unit.
>
> Thanks for trying to help me with this.
>
> Being an old veteran who was laid off from his job and trying to raise two 
> grandkids limits my ability to put this in the shop and have it repaired 
> so I will have to keep trying to find the problem.
>
> Paul
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  5 17:49:55 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:49:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
In-Reply-To: <006a01c93faf$a9ced160$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <630066.26704.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I vote for the relay too.
Alan


--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> wrote:

> From: Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 8:33 PM
> Paul,  the switch will melt out if the headlights have been
> upgraded (ie 
> 100w globes) and no relays fitted, might pay to check,
> cheers,
> Chester.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:19 AM
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
> 
> 
> > Ok Gang I just came in from working on the truck and
> here is what I know 
> > so far:
> >
> > It is the power door lock fuse that is blowing all of
> the time according 
> > to the fuse my grandson showed me that he is
> constantly replacing. Also we 
> > removed the headlight switch assembly and found that
> the main power wire 
> > coming to the switch block (I think it was green/red)
> had turned black at 
> > the connection block and the plastic around the
> connector at the switch 
> > assembly had shown signs of melting.
> >
> > About two years or so ago this whole switch assembly
> had melted down and I 
> > had to install a new one, now the new one is showing
> signs of overheating.
> >
> > Does this give anyone any clues?
> >
> > I have crawled up under the rear of the truck and
> checked all of the 
> > wires, removed the taillight assemblies and checked
> all of the wires and 
> > crawled up under the front of the truck and checked
> all of the wires, I 
> > have checked inside of the engine well, I have tried
> shaking wires to get 
> > the lights to flicker and all to no avail.
> >
> > He did tell me that when his headlights will begin to
> flicker he can reach 
> > over and raise up on the pull out knob for the
> headlights and it will 
> > stop, when he lets pressure off of the pull out knob
> for the headlights 
> > they will start to flicker again. It may be the
> blooming switch again 
> > which is a $100.00 plus unit.
> >
> > Thanks for trying to help me with this.
> >
> > Being an old veteran who was laid off from his job and
> trying to raise two 
> > grandkids limits my ability to put this in the shop
> and have it repaired 
> > so I will have to keep trying to find the problem.
> >
> > Paul
> > _______________________________________________
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  5 18:17:36 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:17:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
References: <20081105.114819.1816.3.rdhaskell@juno.com><1A271CDEC5584264B615654FC52C7DB0@PAUL>
	<000301c93fad$901001b0$b0300510$@net.au>
Message-ID: <EC60945CE70F4DEBAD7EA123F6AFBAC3@PAUL>

Steve can you send me a wiring diagram and a parts list for this 
modification?

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven N Kitto" <sndakitto at activ8.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


> Paul
> I had this problem with a vehicle some years ago. What I did was to wire 
> in
> a relay to the light switch and reduce the amount of power to the light
> switch. It never gave me any further trouble. It was a cheap option. It 
> may
> work for you.
> Steve
>
>
> Steve and Denise Kitto
> 95 Coleyville Road
> Mutdapilly  QLD   Australia 4307
> Ph 07 54671541
>
> 


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  5 18:18:25 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:18:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw:  O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
References: <002101c93fae$2bce9cb0$6401a8c0@2S4KN5K0H3>
Message-ID: <5B58EC303D6B4ACE9BEE06B74D99C7C0@PAUL>

Don I have called myself looking at the wiring harnesses but may have missed 
something.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "don fleming" <d.fleming at sasktel.net>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] Fw: O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


> Paul
>
> I drove several Dodge trucks when I was working and never had a problem 
> with
> the light switch.  I think I had to bandage up or rewire every one of the
> wiring harnesses from the rear wheels back because the insulation had been
> beat off the wires by flying stones. It is worth a good look.
>
> Don Fleming
> Kipling, Sk. Canada
> <d.fleming at sasktel.net>
>
> _______________________________________________
/listinfo/sel 



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  5 18:19:15 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:19:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
References: <3DB716D280064DD7BF9D6A2D93ACFF26@PAUL>
	<006a01c93faf$a9ced160$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <178EDD0D3FE445BF8898EAFB9F9F251D@PAUL>

I ask him about the bulbs and he said that they were standard Sylvania bulbs 
but I will check.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chester Smith" <edwards_service at westnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


> Paul,  the switch will melt out if the headlights have been upgraded (ie
> 100w globes) and no relays fitted, might pay to check,
> cheers,
> Chester.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:19 AM
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
>
>



From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Wed Nov  5 18:34:39 2008
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:34:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
In-Reply-To: <41F07145E8C141799BD1E9116608DC22@PAUL>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEKDHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<41F07145E8C141799BD1E9116608DC22@PAUL>
Message-ID: <491257BF.7090003@accnorwalk.com>

Paul, did you change the pigtail end on the harness to the switch?? That 
is a must when there are signs of overheating in that area. The 
teerminals loose their tension and just burns up the new switch from 
poor contact. you need to solder the wires when you connect them. Also, 
when the trailer hitch was removed, was it a simple unplug or has the 
harness been butchered back there? Doug Tallman




paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> I agree with you Elden, maybe these headlight switches are just too weak for 
> the common load. This is only a little 1/2 ton pickup with no trailer hitch 
> or trailer lights to contend with.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
>
>
>   
>> Paul:
>>
>> This gives me a big clue!  CRUMMY HEADLIGHT SWITCH!
>>
>> We had a motorhome that was built using '92 Dodge Cummins Diesel parts. 
>> The headlight switch would get really hot when the lights were on.  I 
>> never had to replace the switch but was expecting to do so at any time.  I 
>> think the heat buildup was from the dashlight dimmer rheostat.  I think 
>> they had too many lights on the circuit.
>>
>> We traded the motorhome.
>>
>> We never blew a fuse but, if the switch melted internally, something could 
>> short out when it was hot.
>>
>> Big help, ain't I?!!     :-)
>>
>> Take care - Elden
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>>
>>     
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>>  Behalf Of
>>> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 01:20 PM
>>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok Gang I just came in from working on the truck
>>> and here is what I know so far:
>>>
>>> It is the power door lock fuse that is blowing
>>> all of the time according to the fuse my grandson
>>> showed me that he is constantly replacing. Also
>>> we removed the headlight switch assembly and
>>> found that the main power wire coming to the
>>> switch block (I think it was green/red) had
>>> turned black at the connection block and the
>>> plastic around the connector at the switch
>>> assembly had shown signs of melting.
>>>
>>> About two years or so ago this whole switch
>>> assembly had melted down and I had to install a
>>> new one, now the new one is showing signs of overheating.
>>>
>>> Does this give anyone any clues?
>>>       
>> ........................snippety-snip....................
>>
>>     
>>> Paul
>>>       
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From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Nov  5 18:49:35 2008
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:49:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
In-Reply-To: <1A271CDEC5584264B615654FC52C7DB0@PAUL>
References: <20081105.114819.1816.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<1A271CDEC5584264B615654FC52C7DB0@PAUL>
Message-ID: <49125B3F.1070602@telenet.net>

paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Ron he removed the trailer hitch a long time ago so there is no trailer 
> lights to contend with however something is causing the light switch to pull 
> a heavy load to cause the over heating. Thanks,
> 
> Paul
> 

OK here is an OLD trick you can try. Head down to the parts store and 
buy a plug in circuit breaker or three. one rated the same as the fuse 
and one rated for half. If they have a short finder kit that has the 
center reading meter but it, they come in really handy. BUT if you have 
a simple compass you can still run the trace. When it shorts and blows 
the fuse plug in a breaker. Then follow the compass up the wire harness. 
It will swing back/forth as the breaker opens/closes. When it stops your 
at the short. That is where the short finder meter excels, it just moves 
   with the current.

http://www.eastwoodco.com/  item number 25026  shows one like I have.
The meter is the special item. The tube with the clips is a 20 amp plug 
in breaker in a plastic tube. You can sub in other breakers as needed.
-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  5 19:06:18 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:06:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
References: <20081105.114819.1816.3.rdhaskell@juno.com><1A271CDEC5584264B615654FC52C7DB0@PAUL>
	<49125B3F.1070602@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <6EF6B57274E34EA686217C997CA29A36@PAUL>

Steve I will go to the parts house and see if I can find one of these 
testers. Right now he has been out driving half the night and nothing has 
blown so this is an intermittent problem which is going to make it harder to 
find.

Thanks for the input and idea.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>> Ron he removed the trailer hitch a long time ago so there is no trailer
>> lights to contend with however something is causing the light switch to 
>> pull
>> a heavy load to cause the over heating. Thanks,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>
> OK here is an OLD trick you can try. Head down to the parts store and
> buy a plug in circuit breaker or three. one rated the same as the fuse
> and one rated for half. If they have a short finder kit that has the
> center reading meter but it, they come in really handy. BUT if you have
> a simple compass you can still run the trace. When it shorts and blows
> the fuse plug in a breaker. Then follow the compass up the wire harness.
> It will swing back/forth as the breaker opens/closes. When it stops your
> 


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Nov  5 19:24:37 2008
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:24:37 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Frisco Standard info.
Message-ID: <20081105.192438.1052.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
I have put up 17 pages of information on Frisco Standard engines from the
General Catalog No.5 of Pacific Net & Twine , Seattle Washington.  The
last revision date is Jan 1, 1926.  I know it is not the best way to
share this information but it is the best I can do at this time.
Other brands to follow.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From sndakitto at activ8.net.au  Wed Nov  5 19:28:59 2008
From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:28:59 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
In-Reply-To: <EC60945CE70F4DEBAD7EA123F6AFBAC3@PAUL>
References: <20081105.114819.1816.3.rdhaskell@juno.com><1A271CDEC5584264B615654FC52C7DB0@PAUL>	<000301c93fad$901001b0$b0300510$@net.au>
	<EC60945CE70F4DEBAD7EA123F6AFBAC3@PAUL>
Message-ID: <000401c93fbf$d2b5c100$78214300$@net.au>

Paul
My problem was only when on high beam. I had 100watt high beam globes. I
found the wire that went to the high beam. That was then used to activate
the relay. I too k a wire of heavier gauge from the battery to the relay
then from the relay to the headlights. I used a 4 terminal relay. Most
relays will have a simple wiring diagram. One terminal will be switch, one
battery, one to Whatever, in your case lights, and one to ground.

Hope this helps.
Steve

Steve and Denise Kitto
95 Coleyville Road
Mutdapilly  QLD   Australia 4307 
Ph 07 54671541

As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.  
Proverbs 27:19

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
paulmaples at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2008 12:18
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!

Steve can you send me a wiring diagram and a parts list for this 
modification?

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven N Kitto" <sndakitto at activ8.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


> Paul
> I had this problem with a vehicle some years ago. What I did was to wire 
> in
> a relay to the light switch and reduce the amount of power to the light
> switch. It never gave me any further trouble. It was a cheap option. It 
> may
> work for you.
> Steve
>
>
> Steve and Denise Kitto
> 95 Coleyville Road
> Mutdapilly  QLD   Australia 4307
> Ph 07 54671541
>
> 
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  5 20:18:09 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:18:09 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEKDHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com><41F07145E8C141799BD1E9116608DC22@PAUL>
	<491257BF.7090003@accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <F6085264435D45309D4828798ECA8765@PAUL>

Hello Doug,

When I installed the new switch about two years ago I installed a new switch 
and connector block and used "butt connectors" to re-connect the new pig 
tail.

The power wire terminals were definitely burned and weak on the light switch 
when we removed it today. Would you suggest that I remove the connector 
block and solder all of the wires directly to the light switch? or maybe 
remove the existing terminal connector block and then install individual 
"spade connectors" on each wire to the light switch?

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Tallman" <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


> Paul, did you change the pigtail end on the harness to the switch?? That
> is a must when there are signs of overheating in that area. The
> teerminals loose their tension and just burns up the new switch from
> poor contact. you need to solder the wires when you connect them. Also,
> when the trailer hitch was removed, was it a simple unplug or has the
> harness been butchered back there? Doug Tallman
>
>
>



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  5 20:22:20 2008
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:22:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEKDHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com><41F07145E8C141799BD1E9116608DC22@PAUL>
	<491257BF.7090003@accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <2E346D67DE354D15A4E9A02D98496BA5@PAUL>

Sorry Doug I did not answer the 2nd part of your question regarding the 
trailer hitch removal. It was a simple unhooking of two large connectors and 
I checked them today and saw no frayed or naked wires.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Tallman" <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!


> Paul, did you change the pigtail end on the harness to the switch?? That
> is a must when there are signs of overheating in that area. The
> teerminals loose their tension and just burns up the new switch from
> poor contact. you need to solder the wires when you connect them. Also,
> when the trailer hitch was removed, was it a simple unplug or has the
> harness been butchered back there? Doug Tallman
>
>
>
>
> paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>> 



From astfgl at iamnota.org  Thu Nov  6 00:02:02 2008
From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:02:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20081105191036.03d4de10@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20081105191036.03d4de10@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <4912A47A.4020207@iamnota.org>

Ummm, it's not compulsory to vote for a _particular_ candidate, and 
there's usually at least a handful to choose from. ;-)

Here's the AEC FAQ page:
http://www.aec.gov.au/FAQs/Voting_Australia.htm

And a rather concise history and discussion of the points for and 
against compulsory voting:
http://www.aec.gov.au/pdf/voting/compulsory_voting.pdf

Most flavors of democracy involve both rights and responsibilities, but 
if this is one you don't want to participate in, the vote is secret and 
you can always make it informal.

Cheers, glen.

Mark Shulaw wrote:
> You  have Compulsor voting????  Even though I disagree with folks who don't 
> vote  I find the idea of compulsory voting repugnant.
> Personally, I have never missed a voting day since I came of voting age. 
> 22-23 years ago and wouldn't dream of missing one but being forced too 
> seems wrong too. Reminds me of the stories of the elections in Russia and 
> the vote would almost always by unanimous for the party choice.   Mark


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 00:41:04 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:41:04 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Petter Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <CFA752F5-379B-41CE-A003-E0E6A93E1E65@alltel.net>
References: <CFA752F5-379B-41CE-A003-E0E6A93E1E65@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811060041y2838b558v2f1e9c73f862f56c@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/11/2008, David Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 	I have a friend who just obtained a Petter Type PJ1 diesel engine.
> The S/N is 7294/PJ1. It's a 10 HP and he wants to get it running in
> order to hook it up to a generator for his shop. Any information
> (particularly a copy of the manual for the engine) would sure be
> appreciated!
> 	Dave

There's a data sheet here, 2 pages:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/PetterData/PetterPJ1.htm

Manual here from a bookseller in TX:

PETTER DIESEL ENGINES TYPES PJ1 AND PJ2 - OPERATORS HANDBOOK
Petters Limited.
Bookseller: ReRun Books,
115 W Southmore Ave,
Pasadena, TX 77502.
713-477-5554

Price: US$ 19.99
Quantity: 1 	Shipping within U.S.A.: US$ 4.00

Book Description: Great Britain Petters Limited N.D. Good+. Slight
water damage on the bottom of the pages but still a good working copy.
; Illustrations, fold-out chart, index. Limited instructions in
French, German, and Spanish. Publication no. 8027/5; 140 pages. First
Edition. Binding is Softcover; First Printing. Bookseller Inventory #
690

That should sort him out.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Nov  6 00:55:04 2008
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:55:04 +0900
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20081105191036.03d4de10@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <B6B99CE798DB401AAFC17C7659E11EF7@your9e74d7efa7>

Come on Glen ,you can't have it both ways .It certainly is not repugnant !
Some people here just get their names crossed off the electrol roll and they 
are the ones who dont give a rats arse and then complain about who has been 
elected The majority treasure their democratic right to elect the person of 
their choice .You have your system ,we have ours .All I am saying that It is 
very ,very apparent that the majority of US voters wanted a changefor the 
better or worse ,who knows .
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US


> You  have Compulsor voting????  Even though I disagree with folks who 
> don't
> vote  I find the idea of compulsory voting repugnant.
> Personally, I have never missed a voting day since I came of voting age.
> 22-23 years ago and wouldn't dream of missing one but being forced too
> seems wrong too. Reminds me of the stories of the elections in Russia and
> the vote would almost always by unanimous for the party choice.   Mark
>
>
> At 02:55 PM 11/5/08, you wrote:
>>I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations to
>>the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic
>>rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory
>>voting ,something I have no problem with.
>>Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .
>>_______________________________________________
>
> Mark & Christine Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>
> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
> Parts lists available on request.
>
> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
> No Sunday calls if possible.
> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I 
> represent
> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and
> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Thu Nov  6 01:35:34 2008
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:35:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <B6B99CE798DB401AAFC17C7659E11EF7@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>	<6.2.1.2.1.20081105191036.03d4de10@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<B6B99CE798DB401AAFC17C7659E11EF7@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <4912BA66.1090406@rustic-engines.com>

Glen,

you get back here to Australia before I disinherit you, you hear me ? :-P

Cheers,

Al Harris
Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



peter ogborne wrote:
> Come on Glen ,you can't have it both ways .It certainly is not repugnant !
> Some people here just get their names crossed off the electrol roll and they 
> are the ones who dont give a rats arse and then complain about who has been 
> elected The majority treasure their democratic right to elect the person of 
> their choice .You have your system ,we have ours .All I am saying that It is 
> very ,very apparent that the majority of US voters wanted a changefor the 
> better or worse ,who knows .
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
>
>
>   
>> You  have Compulsor voting????  Even though I disagree with folks who 
>> don't
>> vote  I find the idea of compulsory voting repugnant.
>> Personally, I have never missed a voting day since I came of voting age.
>> 22-23 years ago and wouldn't dream of missing one but being forced too
>> seems wrong too. Reminds me of the stories of the elections in Russia and
>> the vote would almost always by unanimous for the party choice.   Mark
>>
>>
>> At 02:55 PM 11/5/08, you wrote:
>>     
>>> I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations to
>>> the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic
>>> rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory
>>> voting ,something I have no problem with.
>>> Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>       
>> Mark & Christine Shulaw
>> 454 Co. Rd. 33
>> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>>
>> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
>> Parts lists available on request.
>>
>> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
>> No Sunday calls if possible.
>> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I 
>> represent
>> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and
>> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>   


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Nov  6 02:02:49 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:02:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
Message-ID: <2324FED3FDD04A7D853BB8349CCDA5B8@PETER>

Hi Guys

I have a technical one for you gurus

When I worked at the steel mill in Newcastle, Australia. the laboratories were able to detect and read things that have been ground off.
The company engraved all their tools with BHP, the rouges would grind that off and steal the tools. If caught at a gate bag inspection with suspect tools, they could take them to the lab and detect the engraved BHP. By stamping or engraving it alters the grain structure of the steel and it can be picked up by some sort of spectrograph.
Does anyone in the US know of such a technique, I have a R&V guy in Texas that needs to lift a serial number from a 4hp triumph line engine.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Thu Nov  6 02:47:53 2008
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:47:53 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
In-Reply-To: <2324FED3FDD04A7D853BB8349CCDA5B8@PETER>
References: <2324FED3FDD04A7D853BB8349CCDA5B8@PETER>
Message-ID: <013301c93ffd$1f428a20$8335c53e@doc>

Hi Peter

Typically, the revealing of stamped numbers on steel is done by polishing
the area where the number used to be, then acid etching it.  An etchant can
be made up by mixing 10% concentrated nitric acid in 90% methanol (you can
use methylated spirits or ethanol, but there is a risk with ethanol, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nital).  We used to use this for revealing the
grain structure of welded steel test specimens - 10% Nital.

All the best

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Peter Lowe
> Sent: 06 November 2008 10:03
> To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
> 
> Hi Guys
> 
> I have a technical one for you gurus
> 
> When I worked at the steel mill in Newcastle, Australia. the 
> laboratories were able to detect and read things that have 
> been ground off.
> The company engraved all their tools with BHP, the rouges 
> would grind that off and steal the tools. If caught at a gate 
> bag inspection with suspect tools, they could take them to 
> the lab and detect the engraved BHP. By stamping or engraving 
> it alters the grain structure of the steel and it can be 
> picked up by some sort of spectrograph.
> Does anyone in the US know of such a technique, I have a R&V 
> guy in Texas that needs to lift a serial number from a 4hp 
> triumph line engine.
> 
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Thu Nov  6 02:54:13 2008
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:54:13 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
In-Reply-To: <2324FED3FDD04A7D853BB8349CCDA5B8@PETER>
References: <2324FED3FDD04A7D853BB8349CCDA5B8@PETER>
Message-ID: <013401c93ffe$019cb4e0$8335c53e@doc>

Hi Peter

This may also be of interest:
http://www.substech.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=etching_metallographic_specimen
s

"For aluminum and its alloys:
Keller's reagent: 1volume part of hydrofluoric acid, 1.5 volume part of
hydrochloric acid, 2.5 volume parts of nitric acid, 95 volume parts water. 

Etching time: 10-20 sec."

Hydrofluoric acid is horrible stuff - DO NOT get any on you!  The medical
treatment for contamination with hydrofluoric acid is amputation of the
affected parts....

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Peter Lowe
> Sent: 06 November 2008 10:03
> To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
> 
> Hi Guys
> 
> I have a technical one for you gurus
> 
> When I worked at the steel mill in Newcastle, Australia. the 
> laboratories were able to detect and read things that have 
> been ground off.
> The company engraved all their tools with BHP, the rouges 
> would grind that off and steal the tools. If caught at a gate 
> bag inspection with suspect tools, they could take them to 
> the lab and detect the engraved BHP. By stamping or engraving 
> it alters the grain structure of the steel and it can be 
> picked up by some sort of spectrograph.
> Does anyone in the US know of such a technique, I have a R&V 
> guy in Texas that needs to lift a serial number from a 4hp 
> triumph line engine.
> 
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From endacomm10 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 03:04:20 2008
From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 03:04:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
In-Reply-To: <013401c93ffe$019cb4e0$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <385534.95290.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hi Guy.. Sorry to interupt, But from Here Ga.USA the link is dead.
  

Peter Scales <peter at loud-n-clear.net> wrote:
  Hi Peter

This may also be of interest:
http://www.substech.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=etching_metallographic_specimen
s

"For aluminum and its alloys:
Keller's reagent: 1volume part of hydrofluoric acid, 1.5 volume part of
hydrochloric acid, 2.5 volume parts of nitric acid, 95 volume parts water. 

Etching time: 10-20 sec."

Hydrofluoric acid is horrible stuff - DO NOT get any on you! The medical
treatment for contamination with hydrofluoric acid is amputation of the
affected parts....

Regards

Pete
-- 
Peter Scales 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Peter Lowe
> Sent: 06 November 2008 10:03
> To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
> 
> Hi Guys
> 
> I have a technical one for you gurus
> 
> When I worked at the steel mill in Newcastle, Australia. the 
> laboratories were able to detect and read things that have 
> been ground off.
> The company engraved all their tools with BHP, the rouges 
> would grind that off and steal the tools. If caught at a gate 
> bag inspection with suspect tools, they could take them to 
> the lab and detect the engraved BHP. By stamping or engraving 
> it alters the grain structure of the steel and it can be 
> picked up by some sort of spectrograph.
> Does anyone in the US know of such a technique, I have a R&V 
> guy in Texas that needs to lift a serial number from a 4hp 
> triumph line engine.
> 
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


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'IN GOD WE TRUST' 

       

From endacomm10 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 03:07:07 2008
From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 03:07:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
In-Reply-To: <013401c93ffe$019cb4e0$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <878856.53492.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I See the problem, The trailing S was detacked from the link..  Add it and should be fine. Seems like a lot of people are having similar difficulties with long URL's.

Peter Scales <peter at loud-n-clear.net> wrote:
  Hi Peter

This may also be of interest:
http://www.substech.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=etching_metallographic_specimen
s

"For aluminum and its alloys:
Keller's reagent: 1volume part of hydrofluoric acid, 1.5 volume part of
hydrochloric acid, 2.5 volume parts of nitric acid, 95 volume parts water. 

Etching time: 10-20 sec."

Hydrofluoric acid is horrible stuff - DO NOT get any on you! The medical
treatment for contamination with hydrofluoric acid is amputation of the
affected parts....

Regards

Pete
-- 
Peter Scales 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Peter Lowe
> Sent: 06 November 2008 10:03
> To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
> 
> Hi Guys
> 
> I have a technical one for you gurus
> 
> When I worked at the steel mill in Newcastle, Australia. the 
> laboratories were able to detect and read things that have 
> been ground off.
> The company engraved all their tools with BHP, the rouges 
> would grind that off and steal the tools. If caught at a gate 
> bag inspection with suspect tools, they could take them to 
> the lab and detect the engraved BHP. By stamping or engraving 
> it alters the grain structure of the steel and it can be 
> picked up by some sort of spectrograph.
> Does anyone in the US know of such a technique, I have a R&V 
> guy in Texas that needs to lift a serial number from a 4hp 
> triumph line engine.
> 
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


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'IN GOD WE TRUST' 

       

From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Thu Nov  6 04:48:44 2008
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:48:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
In-Reply-To: <F6085264435D45309D4828798ECA8765@PAUL>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEKDHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com><41F07145E8C141799BD1E9116608DC22@PAUL>	<491257BF.7090003@accnorwalk.com>
	<F6085264435D45309D4828798ECA8765@PAUL>
Message-ID: <4912E7AC.9090606@accnorwalk.com>

Paul, I would use another new connector block but I prefer soldering 
into the harness as opposed to "butt" connectors. Soldering wires 
directly to the switch would eliminate any chance of a poor connection 
building up heat there but it would be a real pain if you ever had to 
remove it. Doug




paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Hello Doug,
>
> When I installed the new switch about two years ago I installed a new switch 
> and connector block and used "butt connectors" to re-connect the new pig 
> tail.
>
> The power wire terminals were definitely burned and weak on the light switch 
> when we removed it today. Would you suggest that I remove the connector 
> block and solder all of the wires directly to the light switch? or maybe 
> remove the existing terminal connector block and then install individual 
> "spade connectors" on each wire to the light switch?
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Doug Tallman" <dtallman at accnorwalk.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. O.T. Dodge Wiring Problem UPDATE!
>
>
>   
>> Paul, did you change the pigtail end on the harness to the switch?? That
>> is a must when there are signs of overheating in that area. The
>> teerminals loose their tension and just burns up the new switch from
>> poor contact. you need to solder the wires when you connect them. Also,
>> when the trailer hitch was removed, was it a simple unplug or has the
>> harness been butchered back there? Doug Tallman
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>   



From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Nov  6 05:34:07 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 08:34:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <4912A47A.4020207@iamnota.org>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20081105191036.03d4de10@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<4912A47A.4020207@iamnota.org>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081106082913.03034980@pop3.wcoil.com>


I understand that, I was just commenting that it resembled the type of 
voting that they used to have (maybe still do) in Russia.  Mark

At 03:02 AM 11/6/08, you wrote:
>Ummm, it's not compulsory to vote for a _particular_ candidate, and
>there's usually at least a handful to choose from. ;-)
>
>Here's the AEC FAQ page:
>http://www.aec.gov.au/FAQs/Voting_Australia.htm
>
>And a rather concise history and discussion of the points for and
>against compulsory voting:
>http://www.aec.gov.au/pdf/voting/compulsory_voting.pdf
>
>Most flavors of democracy involve both rights and responsibilities, but
>if this is one you don't want to participate in, the vote is secret and
>you can always make it informal.
>
>Cheers, glen.
>
>Mark Shulaw wrote:
> > You  have Compulsor voting????  Even though I disagree with folks who 
> don't
> > vote  I find the idea of compulsory voting repugnant.
> > Personally, I have never missed a voting day since I came of voting age.
> > 22-23 years ago and wouldn't dream of missing one but being forced too
> > seems wrong too. Reminds me of the stories of the elections in Russia and
> > the vote would almost always by unanimous for the party choice.   Mark
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  6 06:03:27 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:03:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
References: <2324FED3FDD04A7D853BB8349CCDA5B8@PETER>
	<013401c93ffe$019cb4e0$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <008601c94018$7153f450$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>



 part of hydrofluoric acid,  parts of nitric acid, > >>>>>

Try and buy a wee dram of either and get back to me on how that goes  .
I scored some nitric off the local minuteman and used it straight
to lift some corroded out . stamped in  letters from cast iron ...worked 
good .
fast too. Nasty nasty stuff .



Chuck Balyeat
http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm 



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  6 06:29:03 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:29:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7><6.2.1.2.1.20081105191036.03d4de10@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<B6B99CE798DB401AAFC17C7659E11EF7@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <00ab01c9401c$06f63330$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>


 It certainly is not repugnant !
 >>>
Perhaps it's no more than being told what to do .   
I have to fight the urge to spit when I hear 
the words carry and permit in that order . 
Sometimes I spit anyway . 

Chuck
  


From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Nov  6 07:28:52 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:28:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Petter Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <CFA752F5-379B-41CE-A003-E0E6A93E1E65@alltel.net>
References: <CFA752F5-379B-41CE-A003-E0E6A93E1E65@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <575A1083-176F-44C2-962F-A8DAE341195F@alltel.net>

Thanks for all the help (on and off List!) And a special THANKS to  
Paul Evans  for providing the manual that my friend needs!
	Dave


From kosh at ncweb.com  Thu Nov  6 08:44:57 2008
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:44:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081106113802.03bbe210@ncweb.com>

In this case, the huge turnout is a measure of the massive cultural divide 
in the US.

It was the result of a get-out-the-vote arms race between the liberal and 
conservative wings.

Compulsory voting would seen to encounter the law of unintended consequences,
in the form of the rebellious faction marking ballots at random.
With the number of oppressive measures in Oz right now, that faction may be 
getting rather large?

Dave Merchant


At 02:55 PM 11/5/2008, you wrote:
>I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations to 
>the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic 
>rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory 
>voting ,something I have no problem with.
>Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .
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http://www.nesys.org
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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  6 10:26:38 2008
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:26:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT Dodge wiring problem
Message-ID: <BAY121-W39B6DFFDAE3B05AC862B3FCB1E0@phx.gbl>


"Does this give anyone any clues?"

Yup.  Maybe.  This era Dodge has a problem with the main light switch if a trailer is pulled regularly, the truck doesn't have the tow package, and the trailer lights have been scabbed onto the wiring at the back of the bed.  Apparently, the wiring is not of sufficient capacity to carry both truck and trailer lights, causing it to heat up.  That causes resistance to rise and heat at the switch.  Some RV'ers have countered by taking the trailer wiring to the front of the truck and using adequate gauge wire, some have had success by switching all the trailer lights to LED's, which take much less current.

Keep us posted.


Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

sluggo54 at hotmail.com   



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armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  6 10:30:33 2008
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:30:33 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..Congrats to the US
Message-ID: <BAY121-W17423170B802288FD0EC66CB1E0@phx.gbl>


"As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory voting" Do you have an option of "None of the Above"?  If you are going to force me to make a choice twixt unsuitable candidates, leave me that out, ok?

Bruce Younger   

05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68   

Madison, SD  

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armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."   

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From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Nov  6 12:03:34 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:03:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..Congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <BAY121-W17423170B802288FD0EC66CB1E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGELIHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Bruce:

Most of the time, I have to go with the "least objectionable" candidate.  This is especially true in local races.  However, I never fail to vote.  That way, I can bitch if the result isn't to my liking.    :-)

It's hard to find candidates who are to the right of Atilla The Hun. 

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Bruce
> Younger
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 12:31 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] OT ..Congrats to the US
> 
> 
> 
> "As you might or might not know we in Australia 
> have compulsory voting" Do you have an option of 
> "None of the Above"?  If you are going to force 
> me to make a choice twixt unsuitable candidates, 
> leave me that out, ok?
> 
> Bruce Younger 




From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Thu Nov  6 12:27:23 2008
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:27:23 -0000
Subject: [SEL] OT ..Congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGELIHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <BAY121-W17423170B802288FD0EC66CB1E0@phx.gbl>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGELIHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <02c901c9404e$13f43cd0$8335c53e@doc>

Oh, I dunno - I have never stood for election yet :)

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Elden DuRand
> Sent: 06 November 2008 20:04
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..Congrats to the US
> 
> Bruce:
> 
> Most of the time, I have to go with the "least objectionable" 
> candidate.  This is especially true in local races.  However, 
> I never fail to vote.  That way, I can bitch if the result 
> isn't to my liking.    :-)
> 
> It's hard to find candidates who are to the right of Atilla The Hun. 
> 
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >  Behalf Of Bruce
> > Younger
> > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 12:31 PM
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: [SEL] OT ..Congrats to the US
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "As you might or might not know we in Australia 
> > have compulsory voting" Do you have an option of 
> > "None of the Above"?  If you are going to force 
> > me to make a choice twixt unsuitable candidates, 
> > leave me that out, ok?
> > 
> > Bruce Younger 
> 
> 
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Nov  6 13:26:52 2008
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 06:26:52 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
References: <2324FED3FDD04A7D853BB8349CCDA5B8@PETER>
Message-ID: <FEAA15199DB64D1492D2729F69FA2B76@your9e74d7efa7>

Peter ,just wondering how a dye penetrant would go.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine.org" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:02 PM
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers


> Hi Guys
>
> I have a technical one for you gurus
>
> When I worked at the steel mill in Newcastle, Australia. the laboratories 
> were able to detect and read things that have been ground off.
> The company engraved all their tools with BHP, the rouges would grind that 
> off and steal the tools. If caught at a gate bag inspection with suspect 
> tools, they could take them to the lab and detect the engraved BHP. By 
> stamping or engraving it alters the grain structure of the steel and it 
> can be picked up by some sort of spectrograph.
> Does anyone in the US know of such a technique, I have a R&V guy in Texas 
> that needs to lift a serial number from a 4hp triumph line engine.
>
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Thu Nov  6 13:48:48 2008
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:48:48 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
In-Reply-To: <FEAA15199DB64D1492D2729F69FA2B76@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <2324FED3FDD04A7D853BB8349CCDA5B8@PETER>
	<FEAA15199DB64D1492D2729F69FA2B76@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <02fd01c94059$73aacc10$8335c53e@doc>

Hi Peter

I'd guess and say that it wouldn't - hard-stamping of serial numbers deforms
the grain of the metal, rather than fracturing it.  Dye pen needs a fracture
or surface-breaking discontinuity to work.  It gets dragged into cracks by
capillary action, like tea goes up a sugar lump :)

All the best

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> peter ogborne
> Sent: 06 November 2008 21:27
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
> 
> Peter ,just wondering how a dye penetrant would go.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
> To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine.org" 
> <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:02 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
> 
> 
> > Hi Guys
> >
> > I have a technical one for you gurus
> >
> > When I worked at the steel mill in Newcastle, Australia. 
> the laboratories 
> > were able to detect and read things that have been ground off.
> > The company engraved all their tools with BHP, the rouges 
> would grind that 
> > off and steal the tools. If caught at a gate bag inspection 
> with suspect 
> > tools, they could take them to the lab and detect the 
> engraved BHP. By 
> > stamping or engraving it alters the grain structure of the 
> steel and it 
> > can be picked up by some sort of spectrograph.
> > Does anyone in the US know of such a technique, I have a 
> R&V guy in Texas 
> > that needs to lift a serial number from a 4hp triumph line engine.
> >
> > Regards
> > Peter Lowe
> > R&V Engine Registrar
> > Australia
> > Ph: 61-266453455
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
> > _______________________________________________




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Nov  6 14:19:38 2008
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:19:38 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
References: <2324FED3FDD04A7D853BB8349CCDA5B8@PETER><FEAA15199DB64D1492D2729F69FA2B76@your9e74d7efa7>
	<02fd01c94059$73aacc10$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <FAC4A3A46F15465F90572B112299CDE9@your9e74d7efa7>

Yes Peter ,on reflection you would be correct .Trying to cast my mind back 
to my NDT days ....we need a forensic investigator!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Scales" <peter at loud-n-clear.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 6:48 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers


> Hi Peter
>
> I'd guess and say that it wouldn't - hard-stamping of serial numbers 
> deforms
> the grain of the metal, rather than fracturing it.  Dye pen needs a 
> fracture
> or surface-breaking discontinuity to work.  It gets dragged into cracks by
> capillary action, like tea goes up a sugar lump :)
>
> All the best
>
>     Pete
> -- 
> Peter Scales
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>> peter ogborne
>> Sent: 06 November 2008 21:27
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
>>
>> Peter ,just wondering how a dye penetrant would go.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>> To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine.org"
>> <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:02 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
>>
>>
>> > Hi Guys
>> >
>> > I have a technical one for you gurus
>> >
>> > When I worked at the steel mill in Newcastle, Australia.
>> the laboratories
>> > were able to detect and read things that have been ground off.
>> > The company engraved all their tools with BHP, the rouges
>> would grind that
>> > off and steal the tools. If caught at a gate bag inspection
>> with suspect
>> > tools, they could take them to the lab and detect the
>> engraved BHP. By
>> > stamping or engraving it alters the grain structure of the
>> steel and it
>> > can be picked up by some sort of spectrograph.
>> > Does anyone in the US know of such a technique, I have a
>> R&V guy in Texas
>> > that needs to lift a serial number from a 4hp triumph line engine.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Peter Lowe
>> > R&V Engine Registrar
>> > Australia
>> > Ph: 61-266453455
>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>> > _______________________________________________
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From plb at iinet.net.au  Thu Nov  6 14:34:46 2008
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:34:46 +0900
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20081106113802.03bbe210@ncweb.com>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20081106113802.03bbe210@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <000301c9405f$df3edec0$9dbc9c40$@net.au>

Well we both have our voting systems and I would say that the vast majority
of Yanks and Aussies are happy with what they've got. Peters original post
was to congratulate the Americans of the list on electing a new President.
The democratic system has triumphed again and in fact history has been made
by democratically electing a African American person. Who would have thought
it possible until very recently? On top of that a President who has a
sweeping social agenda that if implemented will affect every American and to
some extent the rest of the world. We see here in the news reports African
Americans are over the moon on the election of your new President. It's a
while since that happened!
I'm sure that all the Aussies here wish our friends well under the new
administration.
Ray Freeman
Perth WA



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Merchant
Sent: Friday, 7 November 2008 1:45 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US

In this case, the huge turnout is a measure of the massive cultural divide 
in the US.

It was the result of a get-out-the-vote arms race between the liberal and 
conservative wings.

Compulsory voting would seen to encounter the law of unintended
consequences,
in the form of the rebellious faction marking ballots at random.
With the number of oppressive measures in Oz right now, that faction may be 
getting rather large?

Dave Merchant


At 02:55 PM 11/5/2008, you wrote:
>I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations to 
>the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic 
>rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory 
>voting ,something I have no problem with.
>Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .
>_______________________________________________
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From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Thu Nov  6 15:15:25 2008
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:15:25 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
In-Reply-To: <FAC4A3A46F15465F90572B112299CDE9@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <2324FED3FDD04A7D853BB8349CCDA5B8@PETER><FEAA15199DB64D1492D2729F69FA2B76@your9e74d7efa7><02fd01c94059$73aacc10$8335c53e@doc>
	<FAC4A3A46F15465F90572B112299CDE9@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <030a01c94065$8d4650c0$8335c53e@doc>

Was an NDT tech for 15 years :)


     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> peter ogborne
> Sent: 06 November 2008 22:20
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
> 
> Yes Peter ,on reflection you would be correct .Trying to cast 
> my mind back 
> to my NDT days ....we need a forensic investigator!




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Nov  6 18:15:48 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:15:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Finding ground off serial numbers
References: <2324FED3FDD04A7D853BB8349CCDA5B8@PETER>
	<FEAA15199DB64D1492D2729F69FA2B76@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <7663A0AF3C7646DE934B0F383B4CC64E@PETER>

I have seen non destructive testing done for cracks in metal, will pass all 
your comments on to Texas, thanks guys.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



> Peter ,just wondering how a dye penetrant would go.

>
>> Hi Guys
>>
>> I have a technical one for you gurus
>>
>> When I worked at the steel mill in Newcastle, Australia. the laboratories
>> were able to detect and read things that have been ground off.
>> The company engraved all their tools with BHP, the rouges would grind 
>> that
>> off and steal the tools. If caught at a gate bag inspection with suspect
>> tools, they could take them to the lab and detect the engraved BHP. By
>> stamping or engraving it alters the grain structure of the steel and it
>> can be picked up by some sort of spectrograph.
>> Does anyone in the US know of such a technique, I have a R&V guy in Texas
>> that needs to lift a serial number from a 4hp triumph line engine.
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter Lowe
>> R&V Engine Registrar
>> Australia
>> Ph: 61-266453455
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From astfgl at iamnota.org  Thu Nov  6 18:21:55 2008
From: astfgl at iamnota.org (Glen Harris)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:21:55 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <B6B99CE798DB401AAFC17C7659E11EF7@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>	<6.2.1.2.1.20081105191036.03d4de10@pop3.wcoil.com>
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Errr, Peter, I didn't say that. I'll assume you were having a seniors' 
moment when you attributed Mark's post to me. <grin>

peter ogborne wrote:
> Come on Glen ,you can't have it both ways .It certainly is not repugnant !
> Some people here just get their names crossed off the electrol roll and they 
> are the ones who dont give a rats arse and then complain about who has been 
> elected The majority treasure their democratic right to elect the person of 
> their choice .You have your system ,we have ours .All I am saying that It is 
> very ,very apparent that the majority of US voters wanted a changefor the 
> better or worse ,who knows .
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
> 
> 
>> You  have Compulsor voting????  Even though I disagree with folks who 
>> don't
>> vote  I find the idea of compulsory voting repugnant.
>> Personally, I have never missed a voting day since I came of voting age.
>> 22-23 years ago and wouldn't dream of missing one but being forced too
>> seems wrong too. Reminds me of the stories of the elections in Russia and
>> the vote would almost always by unanimous for the party choice.   Mark
>>
>>
>> At 02:55 PM 11/5/08, you wrote:
>>> I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations to
>>> the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic
>>> rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory
>>> voting ,something I have no problem with.
>>> Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .
>>> _______________________________________________
>> Mark & Christine Shulaw
>> 454 Co. Rd. 33
>> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>>
>> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
>> Parts lists available on request.
>>
>> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
>> No Sunday calls if possible.
>> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I 
>> represent
>> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and
>> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
> 
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Nov  7 02:00:46 2008
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:00:46 +0900
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>	<6.2.1.2.1.20081105191036.03d4de10@pop3.wcoil.com><B6B99CE798DB401AAFC17C7659E11EF7@your9e74d7efa7>
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So sorry about that Glen ,yes senior moments come and go!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glen Harris" <astfgl at iamnota.org>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US


> Errr, Peter, I didn't say that. I'll assume you were having a seniors'
> moment when you attributed Mark's post to me. <grin>
>
> peter ogborne wrote:
>> Come on Glen ,you can't have it both ways .It certainly is not repugnant 
>> !
>> Some people here just get their names crossed off the electrol roll and 
>> they
>> are the ones who dont give a rats arse and then complain about who has 
>> been
>> elected The majority treasure their democratic right to elect the person 
>> of
>> their choice .You have your system ,we have ours .All I am saying that It 
>> is
>> very ,very apparent that the majority of US voters wanted a changefor the
>> better or worse ,who knows .
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
>>
>>
>>> You  have Compulsor voting????  Even though I disagree with folks who
>>> don't
>>> vote  I find the idea of compulsory voting repugnant.
>>> Personally, I have never missed a voting day since I came of voting age.
>>> 22-23 years ago and wouldn't dream of missing one but being forced too
>>> seems wrong too. Reminds me of the stories of the elections in Russia 
>>> and
>>> the vote would almost always by unanimous for the party choice.   Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> At 02:55 PM 11/5/08, you wrote:
>>>> I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations 
>>>> to
>>>> the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your 
>>>> democratic
>>>> rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory
>>>> voting ,something I have no problem with.
>>>> Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Mark & Christine Shulaw
>>> 454 Co. Rd. 33
>>> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>>>
>>> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
>>> Parts lists available on request.
>>>
>>> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
>>> No Sunday calls if possible.
>>> I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I
>>> represent
>>> them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist 
>>> and
>>> hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Fri Nov  7 15:31:23 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:31:23 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine fuel and water pump rebuilding
Message-ID: <20081107233123.35EAF444839@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

I need packing for both a large fuel pump and a large water pump , both
piston type pumps. They would both hold ?? dia. Packing. What hi tech stuff
is available and who sells it? Ace Hardware has smaller packing and sells in
packages by the inch. I need 1 ?? of each or 3? for both if suitable. Thank
you for any help or suggestions on getting apiece of yard art running. Jimmy
O?Hagan,415 892 0236, Novato, Ca.

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Nov  7 16:42:41 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:42:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine fuel and water pump rebuilding
In-Reply-To: <20081107233123.35EAF444839@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20081107233123.35EAF444839@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <39FD2436-312F-4B6F-AA8A-2FDF88AD4AF3@rustyiron.com>

On Nov 7, 2008, at 3:31 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:

> I need packing for both a large fuel pump and a large water pump ,  
> both
> piston type pumps. They would both hold ?? dia. Packing. What hi  
> tech stuff
> is available and who sells it? Ace Hardware has smaller packing and  
> sells in
> packages by the inch. I need 1 ?? of each or 3? for both if  
> suitable. Thank
> you for any help or suggestions on getting apiece of yard art  
> running. Jimmy
> O?Hagan,415 892 0236, Novato, Ca.

Hi Jimmy,
McMaster-Carr sells all sorts of packing--different shapes, sizes and  
materials.  Their catalog describes the proper use of each.  Check 'em  
out at www.mcmaster.com

Rob










From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Nov  7 21:03:43 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:03:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <89C33FC916C743E3AF64414316C05942@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Rick,
    I've never gotten the statement from you for the 100 lbs of babbitt that 
I donated to the Tod Engine Foundation.  I need this to give to my tax man. 
Thanks.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tod Engine Foundation" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)


>I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb. delivered.   I know
> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods
> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've read 
> says
> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will need
> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt.
>
> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have 
> remaining,
> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house 
> building
> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-(
>
> Maybe if you still have it next year...
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Executive Director
> Tod Engine Foundation
> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH  44505
> 330-272-4089
> www.todengine.org
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>
>
>> Peter,
>>    I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you.  I have some NOS 
>> Jackson
>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots.  I'd sell it to
>> you
>> for $5 / lb.  Its probably worth more than that for scrap.  I bought 
>> about
>> a
>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I made the
>> guy
>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks for one
>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications.  All that have used it are
>> very
>> pleased with it.  Here's what it looks like:
>>
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>> To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "ATIS"
>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>
>>
>>> Hi All
>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to clarify a 
>>> few
>>> points.
>>>
>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing ID. The
>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. How many
>>> thou. do I allow.?
>>> 2.  The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the bearing
>>> where
>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom. The
>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around the 
>>> end,
>>> I
>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does. Would you
>>> try
>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a 
>>> spiral
>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who 
>>> cares
>>> it
>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in machining
>>> also.
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm
>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the vertical
>>> R&V
>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at:
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz, I bit
>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Peter Lowe
>>> R&V Engine Registrar
>>> Australia
>>> Ph: 61-266453455
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Hi Peter
>>>>
>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is most
>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors.
>>>> Composition:
>>>> SN - Tin           88.20%
>>>> AG - Silver       0.10%
>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00%
>>>> CU - Copper    3.05%
>>>> NI -  Nickel      0 .15%
>>>> SB  - Antimony 7.50%
>>>>
>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct.
>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance for OD,
>>>> ID
>>>> & length finish machining.
>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Ian Hill.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
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>>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Nov  7 21:52:56 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:52:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
In-Reply-To: <89C33FC916C743E3AF64414316C05942@tommydk7hxjr4h>
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h>
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	<89C33FC916C743E3AF64414316C05942@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <8BE14195-FAD2-403B-BC30-4430C1A8B8E9@alltel.net>

Hi Tommy and Rick,
	Not to worry, I still have that 100 lbs. of babbitt in a bucket in my  
garage. If Rick needs it before spring I can get it to him. What say  
you, Rick?
		Dave
PS, Jennie knows where it is and to whom it belongs--just in case I  
would happen to turn room temperature before it gets delivered to Rick!


On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:03 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> Rick,
>    I've never gotten the statement from you for the 100 lbs of  
> babbitt that
> I donated to the Tod Engine Foundation.  I need this to give to my  
> tax man.
> Thanks.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tod Engine Foundation" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>
>
>> I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb.  
>> delivered.   I know
>> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods
>> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've  
>> read
>> says
>> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will  
>> need
>> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt.
>>
>> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have
>> remaining,
>> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house
>> building
>> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-(
>>
>> Maybe if you still have it next year...
>>
>> Rick Rowlands
>> Executive Director
>> Tod Engine Foundation
>> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
>> 2261 Hubbard Road
>> Youngstown, OH  44505
>> 330-272-4089
>> www.todengine.org
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>
>>
>>> Peter,
>>>   I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you.  I have some NOS
>>> Jackson
>>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots.  I'd sell  
>>> it to
>>> you
>>> for $5 / lb.  Its probably worth more than that for scrap.  I bought
>>> about
>>> a
>>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I  
>>> made the
>>> guy
>>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks  
>>> for one
>>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications.  All that have used  
>>> it are
>>> very
>>> pleased with it.  Here's what it looks like:
>>>
>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074
>>>
>>> Tommy Turner
>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>>> To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "ATIS"
>>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM
>>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi All
>>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to  
>>>> clarify a
>>>> few
>>>> points.
>>>>
>>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing  
>>>> ID. The
>>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long.  
>>>> How many
>>>> thou. do I allow.?
>>>> 2.  The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the  
>>>> bearing
>>>> where
>>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom.  
>>>> The
>>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around  
>>>> the
>>>> end,
>>>> I
>>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does.  
>>>> Would you
>>>> try
>>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a
>>>> spiral
>>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who
>>>> cares
>>>> it
>>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in  
>>>> machining
>>>> also.
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm
>>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the  
>>>> vertical
>>>> R&V
>>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at:
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz,  
>>>> I bit
>>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Peter Lowe
>>>> R&V Engine Registrar
>>>> Australia
>>>> Ph: 61-266453455
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is  
>>>>> most
>>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors.
>>>>> Composition:
>>>>> SN - Tin           88.20%
>>>>> AG - Silver       0.10%
>>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00%
>>>>> CU - Copper    3.05%
>>>>> NI -  Nickel      0 .15%
>>>>> SB  - Antimony 7.50%
>>>>>
>>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct.
>>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance  
>>>>> for OD,
>>>>> ID
>>>>> & length finish machining.
>>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Ian Hill.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
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>>>> 7:50 PM
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Nov  8 04:39:26 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 07:39:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h><026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><89C33FC916C743E3AF64414316C05942@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<8BE14195-FAD2-403B-BC30-4430C1A8B8E9@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <739BA5FE10B14DD999F232EC1CF69A52@tommydk7hxjr4h>

No problem guys.  Thanks.  Keep yourself above room temp. Dave!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)


> Hi Tommy and Rick,
> Not to worry, I still have that 100 lbs. of babbitt in a bucket in my
> garage. If Rick needs it before spring I can get it to him. What say
> you, Rick?
> Dave
> PS, Jennie knows where it is and to whom it belongs--just in case I
> would happen to turn room temperature before it gets delivered to Rick!
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:03 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
>> Rick,
>>    I've never gotten the statement from you for the 100 lbs of
>> babbitt that
>> I donated to the Tod Engine Foundation.  I need this to give to my
>> tax man.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tod Engine Foundation" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>
>>
>>> I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb.
>>> delivered.   I know
>>> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods
>>> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've
>>> read
>>> says
>>> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will
>>> need
>>> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt.
>>>
>>> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have
>>> remaining,
>>> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house
>>> building
>>> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-(
>>>
>>> Maybe if you still have it next year...
>>>
>>> Rick Rowlands
>>> Executive Director
>>> Tod Engine Foundation
>>> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
>>> 2261 Hubbard Road
>>> Youngstown, OH  44505
>>> 330-272-4089
>>> www.todengine.org
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Peter,
>>>>   I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you.  I have some NOS
>>>> Jackson
>>>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots.  I'd sell
>>>> it to
>>>> you
>>>> for $5 / lb.  Its probably worth more than that for scrap.  I bought
>>>> about
>>>> a
>>>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I
>>>> made the
>>>> guy
>>>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks
>>>> for one
>>>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications.  All that have used
>>>> it are
>>>> very
>>>> pleased with it.  Here's what it looks like:
>>>>
>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074
>>>>
>>>> Tommy Turner
>>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>>>> To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "ATIS"
>>>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM
>>>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to
>>>>> clarify a
>>>>> few
>>>>> points.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing
>>>>> ID. The
>>>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long.
>>>>> How many
>>>>> thou. do I allow.?
>>>>> 2.  The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the
>>>>> bearing
>>>>> where
>>>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom.
>>>>> The
>>>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around
>>>>> the
>>>>> end,
>>>>> I
>>>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does.
>>>>> Would you
>>>>> try
>>>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a
>>>>> spiral
>>>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who
>>>>> cares
>>>>> it
>>>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in
>>>>> machining
>>>>> also.
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm
>>>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the
>>>>> vertical
>>>>> R&V
>>>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at:
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz,
>>>>> I bit
>>>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Peter Lowe
>>>>> R&V Engine Registrar
>>>>> Australia
>>>>> Ph: 61-266453455
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors.
>>>>>> Composition:
>>>>>> SN - Tin           88.20%
>>>>>> AG - Silver       0.10%
>>>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00%
>>>>>> CU - Copper    3.05%
>>>>>> NI -  Nickel      0 .15%
>>>>>> SB  - Antimony 7.50%
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct.
>>>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance
>>>>>> for OD,
>>>>>> ID
>>>>>> & length finish machining.
>>>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Ian Hill.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Sat Nov  8 05:28:10 2008
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:28:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h><026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<89C33FC916C743E3AF64414316C05942@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <007f01c941a5$d877f800$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

I have the letter drawn up but I need an address to put on it.

I'll email the letter and price quote once I get the address info. from you.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)


> Rick,
>    I've never gotten the statement from you for the 100 lbs of babbitt 
> that
> I donated to the Tod Engine Foundation.  I need this to give to my tax 
> man.
> Thanks.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tod Engine Foundation" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>
>
>>I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb. delivered.   I 
>>know
>> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods
>> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've read
>> says
>> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will need
>> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt.
>>
>> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have
>> remaining,
>> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house
>> building
>> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-(
>>
>> Maybe if you still have it next year...
>>
>> Rick Rowlands
>> Executive Director
>> Tod Engine Foundation
>> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
>> 2261 Hubbard Road
>> Youngstown, OH  44505
>> 330-272-4089
>> www.todengine.org
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>
>>
>>> Peter,
>>>    I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you.  I have some NOS
>>> Jackson
>>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots.  I'd sell it to
>>> you
>>> for $5 / lb.  Its probably worth more than that for scrap.  I bought
>>> about
>>> a
>>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I made the
>>> guy
>>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks for 
>>> one
>>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications.  All that have used it are
>>> very
>>> pleased with it.  Here's what it looks like:
>>>
>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074
>>>
>>> Tommy Turner
>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>>> To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "ATIS"
>>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM
>>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi All
>>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to clarify a
>>>> few
>>>> points.
>>>>
>>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing ID. The
>>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long. How 
>>>> many
>>>> thou. do I allow.?
>>>> 2.  The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the bearing
>>>> where
>>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom. The
>>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around the
>>>> end,
>>>> I
>>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does. Would 
>>>> you
>>>> try
>>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a
>>>> spiral
>>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who
>>>> cares
>>>> it
>>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in machining
>>>> also.
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm
>>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the vertical
>>>> R&V
>>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at:
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz, I bit
>>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Peter Lowe
>>>> R&V Engine Registrar
>>>> Australia
>>>> Ph: 61-266453455
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is most
>>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors.
>>>>> Composition:
>>>>> SN - Tin           88.20%
>>>>> AG - Silver       0.10%
>>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00%
>>>>> CU - Copper    3.05%
>>>>> NI -  Nickel      0 .15%
>>>>> SB  - Antimony 7.50%
>>>>>
>>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct.
>>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance for OD,
>>>>> ID
>>>>> & length finish machining.
>>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Ian Hill.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
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>>
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Sat Nov  8 05:30:29 2008
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:30:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h><026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><89C33FC916C743E3AF64414316C05942@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<8BE14195-FAD2-403B-BC30-4430C1A8B8E9@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <009701c941a6$2ab45e10$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

Dave,

I don't think I'll need it before the next Coolspring meet, so maybe you 
could hand it over to me then.  But if I do need it before then I know where 
you live! :)

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)


> Hi Tommy and Rick,
> Not to worry, I still have that 100 lbs. of babbitt in a bucket in my
> garage. If Rick needs it before spring I can get it to him. What say
> you, Rick?
> Dave
> PS, Jennie knows where it is and to whom it belongs--just in case I
> would happen to turn room temperature before it gets delivered to Rick!
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:03 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
>> Rick,
>>    I've never gotten the statement from you for the 100 lbs of
>> babbitt that
>> I donated to the Tod Engine Foundation.  I need this to give to my
>> tax man.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tod Engine Foundation" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>
>>
>>> I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb.
>>> delivered.   I know
>>> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods
>>> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've
>>> read
>>> says
>>> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will
>>> need
>>> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt.
>>>
>>> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have
>>> remaining,
>>> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house
>>> building
>>> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-(
>>>
>>> Maybe if you still have it next year...
>>>
>>> Rick Rowlands
>>> Executive Director
>>> Tod Engine Foundation
>>> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
>>> 2261 Hubbard Road
>>> Youngstown, OH  44505
>>> 330-272-4089
>>> www.todengine.org
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Peter,
>>>>   I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you.  I have some NOS
>>>> Jackson
>>>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots.  I'd sell
>>>> it to
>>>> you
>>>> for $5 / lb.  Its probably worth more than that for scrap.  I bought
>>>> about
>>>> a
>>>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I
>>>> made the
>>>> guy
>>>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks
>>>> for one
>>>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications.  All that have used
>>>> it are
>>>> very
>>>> pleased with it.  Here's what it looks like:
>>>>
>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074
>>>>
>>>> Tommy Turner
>>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>>>> To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "ATIS"
>>>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM
>>>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to
>>>>> clarify a
>>>>> few
>>>>> points.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing
>>>>> ID. The
>>>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long.
>>>>> How many
>>>>> thou. do I allow.?
>>>>> 2.  The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the
>>>>> bearing
>>>>> where
>>>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom.
>>>>> The
>>>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around
>>>>> the
>>>>> end,
>>>>> I
>>>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does.
>>>>> Would you
>>>>> try
>>>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a
>>>>> spiral
>>>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who
>>>>> cares
>>>>> it
>>>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in
>>>>> machining
>>>>> also.
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm
>>>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the
>>>>> vertical
>>>>> R&V
>>>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at:
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz,
>>>>> I bit
>>>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Peter Lowe
>>>>> R&V Engine Registrar
>>>>> Australia
>>>>> Ph: 61-266453455
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors.
>>>>>> Composition:
>>>>>> SN - Tin           88.20%
>>>>>> AG - Silver       0.10%
>>>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00%
>>>>>> CU - Copper    3.05%
>>>>>> NI -  Nickel      0 .15%
>>>>>> SB  - Antimony 7.50%
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct.
>>>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance
>>>>>> for OD,
>>>>>> ID
>>>>>> & length finish machining.
>>>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Ian Hill.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>>>>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1541 - Release Date:
>>>>> 7/8/2008
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>>>>>
>>>>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Nov  8 06:49:44 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:49:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
In-Reply-To: <009701c941a6$2ab45e10$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <95D1DE444DC643BF80C0A786FA80B17E@tommyd0x52gkco>

Rick,
	If you could go on and send me a statement from the Tod
Foundation I'll give that to my CPA.  You can just email it if you like.

Lcjudge at scrtc.com

Thanks.

Tommy



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tod Engine
Foundation
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:30 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)

Dave,

I don't think I'll need it before the next Coolspring meet, so maybe you

could hand it over to me then.  But if I do need it before then I know
where 
you live! :)

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)


> Hi Tommy and Rick,
> Not to worry, I still have that 100 lbs. of babbitt in a bucket in my
> garage. If Rick needs it before spring I can get it to him. What say
> you, Rick?
> Dave
> PS, Jennie knows where it is and to whom it belongs--just in case I
> would happen to turn room temperature before it gets delivered to
Rick!
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:03 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
>> Rick,
>>    I've never gotten the statement from you for the 100 lbs of
>> babbitt that
>> I donated to the Tod Engine Foundation.  I need this to give to my
>> tax man.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tod Engine Foundation" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>
>>
>>> I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb.
>>> delivered.   I know
>>> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods
>>> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've
>>> read
>>> says
>>> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will
>>> need
>>> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt.
>>>
>>> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have
>>> remaining,
>>> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house
>>> building
>>> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-(
>>>
>>> Maybe if you still have it next year...
>>>
>>> Rick Rowlands
>>> Executive Director
>>> Tod Engine Foundation
>>> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
>>> 2261 Hubbard Road
>>> Youngstown, OH  44505
>>> 330-272-4089
>>> www.todengine.org
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Peter,
>>>>   I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you.  I have some NOS
>>>> Jackson
>>>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots.  I'd sell
>>>> it to
>>>> you
>>>> for $5 / lb.  Its probably worth more than that for scrap.  I
bought
>>>> about
>>>> a
>>>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I
>>>> made the
>>>> guy
>>>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks
>>>> for one
>>>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications.  All that have used
>>>> it are
>>>> very
>>>> pleased with it.  Here's what it looks like:
>>>>
>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074
>>>>
>>>> Tommy Turner
>>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>>>> To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "ATIS"
>>>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM
>>>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to
>>>>> clarify a
>>>>> few
>>>>> points.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing
>>>>> ID. The
>>>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long.
>>>>> How many
>>>>> thou. do I allow.?
>>>>> 2.  The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the
>>>>> bearing
>>>>> where
>>>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom.
>>>>> The
>>>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around
>>>>> the
>>>>> end,
>>>>> I
>>>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does.
>>>>> Would you
>>>>> try
>>>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a
>>>>> spiral
>>>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say,
who
>>>>> cares
>>>>> it
>>>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in
>>>>> machining
>>>>> also.
>>>>>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm
>>>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the
>>>>> vertical
>>>>> R&V
>>>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at:
>>>>>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoratio
n.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz,
>>>>> I bit
>>>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Peter Lowe
>>>>> R&V Engine Registrar
>>>>> Australia
>>>>> Ph: 61-266453455
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors.
>>>>>> Composition:
>>>>>> SN - Tin           88.20%
>>>>>> AG - Silver       0.10%
>>>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00%
>>>>>> CU - Copper    3.05%
>>>>>> NI -  Nickel      0 .15%
>>>>>> SB  - Antimony 7.50%
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct.
>>>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance
>>>>>> for OD,
>>>>>> ID
>>>>>> & length finish machining.
>>>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Ian Hill.
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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From mls543 at ntelos.net  Sat Nov  8 10:20:05 2008
From: mls543 at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:20:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine fuel and water pump rebuilding
In-Reply-To: <39FD2436-312F-4B6F-AA8A-2FDF88AD4AF3@rustyiron.com>
References: <20081107233123.35EAF444839@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
	<39FD2436-312F-4B6F-AA8A-2FDF88AD4AF3@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <4915D855.4050607@ntelos.net>

Rob Skinner wrote:
> On Nov 7, 2008, at 3:31 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:
>
>   
>> I need packing for both a large fuel pump and a large water pump ,  
>> both
>> piston type pumps. They would both hold ?? dia. Packing. What hi  
>> tech stuff
>> is available and who sells it? Ace Hardware has smaller packing and  
>> sells in
>> packages by the inch. I need 1 ?? of each or 3? for both if  
>> suitable. Thank
>> you for any help or suggestions on getting apiece of yard art  
>> running. Jimmy
>> O?Hagan,415 892 0236, Novato, Ca.
>>     
>
> Hi Jimmy,
> McMaster-Carr sells all sorts of packing--different shapes, sizes and  
> materials.  Their catalog describes the proper use of each.  Check 'em  
> out at www.mcmaster.com
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>   


Jimmy  Try This Link I used there products for years  . Click On 
Distributor Locator
Mark

http://www.chesterton.com/products/mp/product/?product=328




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Nov  8 17:04:02 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat,  8 Nov 2008 20:04:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Peter,

Massive turnout?  You understand how that worked, right?  ACORN registered all
the illegle aliens (multiple times each), registered the dead, and had EVERYONE
vote multiple times in every district.  It's relly neat to see such voter
turnout.  Why in many districts obama received more votes than there are people
in that entire state.  Is this a great country or what?

See ya,   Arnie

Quoting peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au>:

> I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations to
> the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic
> rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory voting
> ,something I have no problem with.
> Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .




From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Nov  8 17:23:22 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:23:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <D66B13282E2C49B98BA635FF5ECFE8B0@tommydk7hxjr4h>

That's the way I do it every time I run Arnie!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



> and had EVERYONE
> vote multiple times in every district.  It's relly neat to see such voter
> turnout.  
> 



From kimmell at verizon.net  Sat Nov  8 17:51:58 2008
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:51:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <0KA100D56MHKTPQ9@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>

But Arnie, if you racist rednecks in PA didn't cling to your guns and 
religion so much, ACORN wouldn't have to fight back!  :-)

-Tony

At 07:04 PM 11/8/2008, you wrote:
>Massive turnout?  You understand how that worked, right?  ACORN registered all
>the illegle aliens (multiple times each), registered the dead, and 
>had EVERYONE
>vote multiple times in every district.  It's relly neat to see such voter
>turnout.  Why in many districts obama received more votes than there 
>are people
>in that entire state.  Is this a great country or what?




From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Sat Nov  8 18:02:02 2008
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 21:02:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7><1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<0KA100D56MHKTPQ9@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <010501c9420f$28545d50$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>

And yet Osama still didn't win by a landslide.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony & Jackie" <kimmell at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US


> But Arnie, if you racist rednecks in PA didn't cling to your guns and
> religion so much, ACORN wouldn't have to fight back!  :-)
>
> -Tony
>
> At 07:04 PM 11/8/2008, you wrote:
>>Massive turnout?  You understand how that worked, right?  ACORN registered 
>>all
>>the illegle aliens (multiple times each), registered the dead, and
>>had EVERYONE
>>vote multiple times in every district.  It's relly neat to see such voter
>>turnout.  Why in many districts obama received more votes than there
>>are people
>>in that entire state.  Is this a great country or what?
>
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sat Nov  8 18:56:10 2008
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:56:10 +0900
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>

Arnie old fella let me explain .Compulsory voting ,electrol rolls where you 
enroll when you reach the age of 18 .You vote in your particular electorate 
,your name is crossed off and that is it,no double voting . I am not saying 
it is perfect but it sure as hell beats the system you have ,electronic 
bullshit ,chads etc.
If you feel agrieved at the result and obviously you do judging by the tone 
and content of your message then perhaps you start a movement for compulsory 
voting.

In for a penny in for a pound .....Gun control! You cannot agree ,please 
tell me you dont  that some irresponsible dick head who lets his 8 year old 
kid fire off a machine gun at a gun fair ,the kid shoots himself in the head 
and his bloody stupid Dad then wonders how it happened ,this dick head 
should be not be let loose !
My original post was mearly to congratulate the citizens of the US who chose 
to vote .
We may have to agree to disagree ,other wise we get into trouble for being 
OT.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US


> G'day Peter,
>
> Massive turnout?  You understand how that worked, right?  ACORN registered 
> all
> the illegle aliens (multiple times each), registered the dead, and had 
> EVERYONE
> vote multiple times in every district.  It's relly neat to see such voter
> turnout.  Why in many districts obama received more votes than there are 
> people
> in that entire state.  Is this a great country or what?
>
> See ya,   Arnie
>
> Quoting peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au>:
>
>> I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations 
>> to
>> the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic
>> rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory 
>> voting
>> ,something I have no problem with.
>> Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From plb at iinet.net.au  Sat Nov  8 19:08:57 2008
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:08:57 +0900
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000301c94218$82843300$878c9900$@net.au>

>From my limited understanding of things American you have a strong
constitution that guarantee's your rights. Guns,free speech etc. At least
whatever happens Obama can't change that.
Ray Freeman
Perth WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
fero_ah at city-net.com
Sent: Sunday, 9 November 2008 10:04 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US

G'day Peter,

Massive turnout?  You understand how that worked, right?  ACORN registered
all
the illegle aliens (multiple times each), registered the dead, and had
EVERYONE
vote multiple times in every district.  It's relly neat to see such voter
turnout.  Why in many districts obama received more votes than there are
people
in that entire state.  Is this a great country or what?

See ya,   Arnie

Quoting peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au>:

> I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations to
> the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic
> rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory
voting
> ,something I have no problem with.
> Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .


_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sat Nov  8 19:23:41 2008
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 21:23:41 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
Message-ID: <410-22008110932341656@earthlink.net>

 Guns,free speech etc. At least
> whatever happens Obama can't change that.
> Ray Freeman
> Perth WA

He not officially in office yet.  Hell, I was looking at a magazine counter
yesterday and right in the middle for all to see was his own magazine
called "obama".  Took up a lot of good space where there could have been
more gun magazines.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


 





From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Nov  8 19:38:18 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:38:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <010501c9420f$28545d50$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7><1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<0KA100D56MHKTPQ9@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>
	<010501c9420f$28545d50$0201a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <CB4D168D-3716-4EF5-AE17-BD2379083BE3@alltel.net>

THE HELL HE DIDN'T!
	Dave

On Nov 8, 2008, at 9:02 PM, Tod Engine Foundation wrote:

> And yet Osama still didn't win by a landslide.
>
> Rick


From falcon at telenet.net  Sat Nov  8 19:25:48 2008
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:25:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <000301c94218$82843300$878c9900$@net.au>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<000301c94218$82843300$878c9900$@net.au>
Message-ID: <4916583C.3050404@telenet.net>

Ray And Erica Freeman wrote:
>>From my limited understanding of things American you have a strong
> constitution that guarantee's your rights. Guns,free speech etc. At least
> whatever happens Obama can't change that.
> Ray Freeman
> Perth WA
> 
The catch is that while they cannot get an outrite ban on all guns, they 
can shove through legislation making anything they desire illegal. The 
rabid anti gun crowd would love to get laws in place that say you can 
only own a single shot firearm that uses black powder, then pass a law 
that says you need a special permit for the black powder and a permit to 
buy the bullets. They already want semi-auto weapons banned. So what's 
next on the list?

-- 
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York


From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Nov  8 19:41:57 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:41:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <15A3C7DB-82CA-4D79-9313-D24CC92F6F7F@alltel.net>

Hi Arnie, Who in the hell is this asshole? Do you know him?
	Dave




On Nov 8, 2008, at 9:56 PM, peter ogborne wrote:

> Arnie old fella let me explain .Compulsory voting ,electrol rolls  
> where you
> enroll when you reach the age of 18 .You vote in your particular  
> electorate
> ,your name is crossed off and that is it,no double voting . I am not  
> saying
> it is perfect but it sure as hell beats the system you  
> have ,electronic
> bullshit ,chads etc.
> If you feel agrieved at the result and obviously you do judging by  
> the tone
> and content of your message then perhaps you start a movement for  
> compulsory
> voting.
>
> In for a penny in for a pound .....Gun control! You cannot  
> agree ,please
> tell me you dont  that some irresponsible dick head who lets his 8  
> year old
> kid fire off a machine gun at a gun fair ,the kid shoots himself in  
> the head
> and his bloody stupid Dad then wonders how it happened ,this dick head
> should be not be let loose !
> My original post was mearly to congratulate the citizens of the US  
> who chose
> to vote .
> We may have to agree to disagree ,other wise we get into trouble for  
> being
> OT.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
>
>
>> G'day Peter,
>>
>> Massive turnout?  You understand how that worked, right?  ACORN  
>> registered
>> all
>> the illegle aliens (multiple times each), registered the dead, and  
>> had
>> EVERYONE
>> vote multiple times in every district.  It's relly neat to see such  
>> voter
>> turnout.  Why in many districts obama received more votes than  
>> there are
>> people
>> in that entire state.  Is this a great country or what?
>>
>> See ya,   Arnie
>>
>> Quoting peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au>:
>>
>>> I know we dont like to get too political on this  
>>> forum .Congratulations
>>> to
>>> the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your  
>>> democratic
>>> rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have  
>>> compulsory
>>> voting
>>> ,something I have no problem with.
>>> Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sat Nov  8 19:36:31 2008
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 21:36:31 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7><1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<000301c94218$82843300$878c9900$@net.au>
Message-ID: <00fc01c9421c$5e4e0a20$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

We do have a strong constitution Ray but our courts interpretation of the 
constitution can take away liberties and some of our liberties have been 
seriously challenged in the name of security in the last few years.  One of 
the great effects of our leadership can have is their appointments to the 
supreme court.  George
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray And Erica Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US


> >From my limited understanding of things American you have a strong
> constitution that guarantee's your rights. Guns,free speech etc. At least
> whatever happens Obama can't change that.
> Ray Freeman
> Perth WA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> Sent: Sunday, 9 November 2008 10:04 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
>
> G'day Peter,
>
> Massive turnout?  You understand how that worked, right?  ACORN registered
> all
> the illegle aliens (multiple times each), registered the dead, and had
> EVERYONE
> vote multiple times in every district.  It's relly neat to see such voter
> turnout.  Why in many districts obama received more votes than there are
> people
> in that entire state.  Is this a great country or what?
>
> See ya,   Arnie
>
> Quoting peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au>:
>
>> I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations 
>> to
>> the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic
>> rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory
> voting
>> ,something I have no problem with.
>> Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>
> 





From kimmell at verizon.net  Sat Nov  8 20:16:59 2008
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:16:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <0KA100DY4T79COF6@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>

At 08:56 PM 11/8/2008, you wrote:
>electrol rolls where you
>enroll when you reach the age of 18 .You vote in your particular electorate
>,your name is crossed off and that is it,no double voting . I am not saying
>it is perfect but it sure as hell beats the system you have ,electronic
>bullshit ,chads etc.


That actually sounds like a good idea.  We are required to sign up 
for selective service (the millitary draft) when we turn 18, so they 
might as well extend that to voter registration.  I don't agree with 
forcing people to vote, but you wouldn't have to.

This would at least put ACORN out of their misery, and they could 
stop signing up my dog and Mickey Mouse to vote...

-Tony



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Nov  8 20:17:51 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:17:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
Message-ID: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>

To break up the riveting political discussion: here are some boring old
pictures of engines from today's display at Luddenham in Western Sydney:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ldm08/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From kimmell at verizon.net  Sat Nov  8 20:21:59 2008
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:21:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <410-22008110932341656@earthlink.net>
References: <410-22008110932341656@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <0KA100NKNTFL3EI6@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>

At 09:23 PM 11/8/2008, you wrote:
>I was looking at a magazine counter
>yesterday and right in the middle for all to see was his own magazine
>called "obama".

He bought his own damn cable channel as well.  This whole cult of 
personality bullshit is getting ridiculous.  And half the country is 
too damn stupid or caught up in the hype to see through it.

-Tony



From plb at iinet.net.au  Sat Nov  8 21:14:42 2008
From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray And Erica Freeman)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:14:42 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
In-Reply-To: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>
Message-ID: <000501c9422a$13317dc0$39947940$@net.au>

Thanks Patrick,some nice engines there. Its the first Ronnie N I,ve seen
with instructions cast into the hopper
Ray Freeman
Pert WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
Livingstone
Sent: Sunday, 9 November 2008 1:18 PM
To: Stationary Engine ATIS List; Stationary Engine Mailing List
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics

To break up the riveting political discussion: here are some boring old
pictures of engines from today's display at Luddenham in Western Sydney:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ldm08/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html


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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Nov  8 21:14:49 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  9 Nov 2008 00:14:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <D66B13282E2C49B98BA635FF5ECFE8B0@tommydk7hxjr4h>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<D66B13282E2C49B98BA635FF5ECFE8B0@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <1226207689.491671c9a90fb@webmail.city-net.com>

Wasn't it Mayor Daly (The First) of Chicago who coined the phrase "Vote early
and often."?  And I think he also said something along the lines of "The man
has been a faithful Democrat voter his entire life.  There's no reason for that
to stop now that he's dead."

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>:

> That's the way I do it every time I run Arnie!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Nov  8 21:44:04 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  9 Nov 2008 00:44:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Peter,

Quoting peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au>:

> Arnie old fella let me explain .Compulsory voting ,electrol rolls where you 
> enroll when you reach the age of 18 .You vote in your particular electorate 
> ,your name is crossed off and that is it,no double voting . I am not saying 
> it is perfect but it sure as hell beats the system you have ,electronic 
> bullshit ,chads etc.

If you'd like to cast more than one vote in your next election, just let me
know.  We'll ship a couple of experienced Chicago ward-heelers down and they'll
fix you right up.  10 votes each?  No worries.  Vote your long dead relatives? 
Not a problem.  You just need the advice of the pros.

> In for a penny in for a pound .....Gun control! You cannot agree ,please 
> tell me you dont  that some irresponsible dick head who lets his 8 year old 
> kid fire off a machine gun at a gun fair ,the kid shoots himself in the head
> and his bloody stupid Dad then wonders how it happened ,this dick head 
> should be not be let loose !

Its not a matter of "gun control."  It's a lack of idiot control.  If there were
no guns, this idiot would have the 8-year old driving down the Interstate or
reching up into the power mower to clear a clog (or doing the same to the
garbge disposal).

See ya,  Arnie




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Nov  8 21:49:48 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  9 Nov 2008 00:49:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <000301c94218$82843300$878c9900$@net.au>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<000301c94218$82843300$878c9900$@net.au>
Message-ID: <1226209788.491679fc5c409@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Ray,

Ahhh, if only it was that easy.  Obama regards the US Constitution as an
inconvenient document that is not at all relevant to today's times.  Left to
his own devices, he'll undo as much of it as he can.

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2008/10/obama_constitut.html

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Ray And Erica Freeman <plb at iinet.net.au>:

> From my limited understanding of things American you have a strong
> constitution that guarantee's your rights. Guns,free speech etc. At least
> whatever happens Obama can't change that.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Nov  8 21:56:40 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  9 Nov 2008 00:56:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <4916583C.3050404@telenet.net>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<000301c94218$82843300$878c9900$@net.au>
	<4916583C.3050404@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <1226210200.49167b980bbe2@webmail.city-net.com>

And the really sweet thing is with total control of the House, Senate, and
Presidency, they sould simply enact a 10,000% Federal Tax on ammunition and
components (bullets, brass, powder, primers).  If it costs you $500 per round
to shoot instead of $0.50, you sure aren't gonna do much shooting.

Look for THAT sweet deal to happen in the next four years in the Obamanation.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>:

> The catch is that while they cannot get an outrite ban on all guns, they 
> can shove through legislation making anything they desire illegal. The 
> rabid anti gun crowd would love to get laws in place that say you can 
> only own a single shot firearm that uses black powder, then pass a law 
> that says you need a special permit for the black powder and a permit to 
> buy the bullets. They already want semi-auto weapons banned. So what's 
> next on the list?




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Nov  8 22:02:09 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  9 Nov 2008 01:02:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
In-Reply-To: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>
Message-ID: <1226210529.49167ce19a383@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Patrick,

Man that's an interesting cooling tank on that Blackstone.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ldm08/pages/0811090011_JPG.htm

Is that a one off or something unique to Oz?  I don't think I've seen one like
it before.

See ya,   Arnie

Quoting Patrick M Livingstone <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>:

> To break up the riveting political discussion: here are some boring old
> pictures of engines from today's display at Luddenham in Western Sydney:
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ldm08/index.htm



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Nov  8 22:50:30 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:50:30 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
In-Reply-To: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>
Message-ID: <DE2AA1B5-2501-4C09-A26F-E3C6C6C8F222@rustyiron.com>


On Nov 8, 2008, at 8:17 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

> To break up the riveting political discussion: here are some boring  
> old
> pictures of engines from today's display at Luddenham in Western  
> Sydney:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ldm08/index.htm


Thanks, Patrick.  Can you tell me about the Crossley JB?  What does  
the B suffix mean?  What vintage is the engine?

Rob













From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Nov  8 23:46:49 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:46:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
In-Reply-To: <000501c9422a$13317dc0$39947940$@net.au>
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>
	<000501c9422a$13317dc0$39947940$@net.au>
Message-ID: <F8AA0E6B67FB4EF0B54DFAB0DA6E3B91@PML>

HI Ray,
	I don't remember seeing one like that before either. I thought it
was quite interesting.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html


-----Original Message-----


Thanks Patrick,some nice engines there. Its the first Ronnie N I,ve seen
with instructions cast into the hopper
Ray Freeman
Pert WA




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Nov  8 23:48:47 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:48:47 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
In-Reply-To: <DE2AA1B5-2501-4C09-A26F-E3C6C6C8F222@rustyiron.com>
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>
	<DE2AA1B5-2501-4C09-A26F-E3C6C6C8F222@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <AAD383AF7B594EABBFC2A7E43FD2F1E6@PML>

Hi Rob,
	The JB is a type J 'Benzine' engine (ie not a gas or oil engine). I
think it is from the 1900-10 era.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Sunday, 9 November 2008 5:51 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Some engine pics


On Nov 8, 2008, at 8:17 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

> To break up the riveting political discussion: here are some boring  
> old
> pictures of engines from today's display at Luddenham in Western  
> Sydney:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ldm08/index.htm


Thanks, Patrick.  Can you tell me about the Crossley JB?  What does  
the B suffix mean?  What vintage is the engine?

Rob











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From sndakitto at activ8.net.au  Sun Nov  9 00:29:48 2008
From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:29:48 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
In-Reply-To: <F8AA0E6B67FB4EF0B54DFAB0DA6E3B91@PML>
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>	<000501c9422a$13317dc0$39947940$@net.au>
	<F8AA0E6B67FB4EF0B54DFAB0DA6E3B91@PML>
Message-ID: <000301c94245$57d2a8d0$0777fa70$@net.au>

Patrick
Is the serial number ? on the side of the barrel cast in or is it a
transfer. What is its HP.
Steve

Steve and Denise Kitto
95 Coleyville Road
Mutdapilly  QLD   Australia 4307 
Ph 07 54671541

As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.  
Proverbs 27:19
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
Livingstone
Sent: Sunday, 9 November 2008 17:47
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Some engine pics

HI Ray,
	I don't remember seeing one like that before either. I thought it
was quite interesting.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html


-----Original Message-----


Thanks Patrick,some nice engines there. Its the first Ronnie N I,ve seen
with instructions cast into the hopper
Ray Freeman
Pert WA


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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Nov  9 01:40:38 2008
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:40:38 +0900
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7><1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com><8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7>

Thanks Arnie for your reasoned and restrained reply.
I understand your passion for your system ,likewise mine for our system. 
Multiple voting does not work here as i said before electrol roll, name 
crossed of as you vote...you can not vote more than once .

Guns ,well what frightens me is the number of guns you have ,the ordinary 
citizen . I have nothing against guns they are a needed in particular 
circumstances but not to have every second citizen carrying one ...idiots 
included.It must be easier to control the guns rather than the idiots .I 
know this will evoke a flood of impassioned response,so be it .I am just 
voicing an opinion and please dont think I am questioning your politcal 
system.As I stated before I just was pleased to see a bigger than normal 
turn out to vote .The result ,well I dont know enough about Obama but I did 
feel that Bush was not the person your country needed or deserved. No more 
political OT from me but if there is any insulting vitriol may be I will 
reply off list.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US


> G'day Peter,
>
> Quoting peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au>:
>
>> Arnie old fella let me explain .Compulsory voting ,electrol rolls where 
>> you
>> enroll when you reach the age of 18 .You vote in your particular 
>> electorate
>> ,your name is crossed off and that is it,no double voting . I am not 
>> saying
>> it is perfect but it sure as hell beats the system you have ,electronic
>> bullshit ,chads etc.
>
> If you'd like to cast more than one vote in your next election, just let 
> me
> know.  We'll ship a couple of experienced Chicago ward-heelers down and 
> they'll
> fix you right up.  10 votes each?  No worries.  Vote your long dead 
> relatives?
> Not a problem.  You just need the advice of the pros.
>
>> In for a penny in for a pound .....Gun control! You cannot agree ,please
>> tell me you dont  that some irresponsible dick head who lets his 8 year 
>> old
>> kid fire off a machine gun at a gun fair ,the kid shoots himself in the 
>> head
>> and his bloody stupid Dad then wonders how it happened ,this dick head
>> should be not be let loose !
>
> Its not a matter of "gun control."  It's a lack of idiot control.  If 
> there were
> no guns, this idiot would have the 8-year old driving down the Interstate 
> or
> reching up into the power mower to clear a clog (or doing the same to the
> garbge disposal).
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
>
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Nov  9 03:11:31 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:11:31 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
In-Reply-To: <000301c94245$57d2a8d0$0777fa70$@net.au>
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>	<000501c9422a$13317dc0$39947940$@net.au><F8AA0E6B67FB4EF0B54DFAB0DA6E3B91@PML>
	<000301c94245$57d2a8d0$0777fa70$@net.au>
Message-ID: <513925593B98452BB35CFF49F814B446@PML>

Hi Steve,
	The number on the side of the barrel would be the casting part
number. The engine number would be on the brass plate fitted to the
crankcase cover on the hopper side of the engine. I think the engine is a
2hp.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

-----Original Message-----


Patrick
Is the serial number ? on the side of the barrel cast in or is it a
transfer. What is its HP.
Steve

Steve and Denise Kitto
95 Coleyville Road
Mutdapilly  QLD   Australia 4307 
Ph 07 54671541

As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.  
Proverbs 27:19
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
Livingstone
Sent: Sunday, 9 November 2008 17:47
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] Some engine pics

HI Ray,
	I don't remember seeing one like that before either. I thought it
was quite interesting.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html


-----Original Message-----


Thanks Patrick,some nice engines there. Its the first Ronnie N I,ve seen
with instructions cast into the hopper
Ray Freeman
Pert WA


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From ilifa at internode.on.net  Sun Nov  9 03:35:22 2008
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:35:22 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
In-Reply-To: <513925593B98452BB35CFF49F814B446@PML>
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>	<000501c9422a$13317dc0$39947940$@net.au><F8AA0E6B67FB4EF0B54DFAB0DA6E3B91@PML>
	<000301c94245$57d2a8d0$0777fa70$@net.au>
	<513925593B98452BB35CFF49F814B446@PML>
Message-ID: <9BF37C64-26F9-400A-AE99-16F10237D504@internode.on.net>


On 09/11/2008, at 10:11 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

> The number on the side of the barrel would be the casting part
> number. The engine number would be on the brass plate fitted to the
> crankcase cover on the hopper side of the engine. I think the engine  
> is a
> 2hp.

The engine definitely is a 2hp, and, as it has an upright magneto, it  
can be no later than 1941.
That hopper is something you wouldn't believe unless you saw it your  
self!
Patrick, do you know if this engine had an Austral plate, or was it  
made for someone else?

Eric


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Nov  9 03:49:56 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  9 Nov 2008 06:49:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7><1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com><8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <1226231396.4916ce6450304@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Peter,

> I understand your passion for your system ,likewise mine for our system. 
> Multiple voting does not work here as i said before electrol roll, name 
> crossed of as you vote...you can not vote more than once .

Ours is essentially the same thing.  In theory.  The trouble is that the
bastards are very clever in working their buggery on the system.  So it would
be with yours if anyone cared to fiddle with it.

> Guns ,well what frightens me is the number of guns you have ,the ordinary 
> citizen . I have nothing against guns they are a needed in particular 
> circumstances but not to have every second citizen carrying one ...idiots 
> included.

Don't be put off by the raw numbers.  Many individual gun owners are like engine
folks and have hundreds or thousands of different firearms.  Some do only have
one.  Generally speaking the ones with large numbers tend to be very careful
and are skilled shooters.  In terms of citizens carrying firearms, I think the
number is less than one percent.  And I'm one of 'em.  8-))

> The result ,well I dont know enough about Obama 

Believe me, as time goes on, you will hear MUCH more about that jerk.

See ya,  Arnie




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Nov  9 04:26:49 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 23:26:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>	<000501c9422a$13317dc0$39947940$@net.au><F8AA0E6B67FB4EF0B54DFAB0DA6E3B91@PML><000301c94245$57d2a8d0$0777fa70$@net.au>
	<513925593B98452BB35CFF49F814B446@PML>
Message-ID: <80BA6BCAFFDC4CC2B005627ED16A29A3@PETER>

Now look what you have done Patrick, you've got them ALL talking about 
boring engines instead of US politics on an engine list ;-)))
Nice pics mate as usual.

Peter, Oz



> Hi Steve,
> The number on the side of the barrel would be the casting part
> number. The engine number would be on the brass plate fitted to the
> crankcase cover on the hopper side of the engine. I think the engine is a
> 2hp.
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> Patrick
> Is the serial number ? on the side of the barrel cast in or is it a
> transfer. What is its HP.
> Steve
>
> Steve and Denise Kitto
> 95 Coleyville Road
> Mutdapilly  QLD   Australia 4307
> Ph 07 54671541
>
> As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
> Proverbs 27:19
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick M
> Livingstone
> Sent: Sunday, 9 November 2008 17:47
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Some engine pics
>
> HI Ray,
> I don't remember seeing one like that before either. I thought it
> was quite interesting.
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> Thanks Patrick,some nice engines there. Its the first Ronnie N I,ve seen
> with instructions cast into the hopper
> Ray Freeman
> Pert WA
>
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Nov  9 05:35:33 2008
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 08:35:33 EST
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
Message-ID: <c75.405dd735.36484125@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/8/2008 11:24:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ldm08/index.htm



Patrick,
 
Thanks for the picture postings and looks like a nice  rally.  That sure was 
a neat little drill press belted to and  engine.   

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

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From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Nov  9 08:26:21 2008
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 10:26:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <0KA200EM4QYUWF89@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>

At 03:40 AM 11/9/2008, you wrote:
>Guns ,well what frightens me is the number of guns you have ,the ordinary
>citizen . I have nothing against guns they are a needed in particular
>circumstances but not to have every second citizen carrying one ...idiots
>included.It must be easier to control the guns rather than the idiots .I
>know this will evoke a flood of impassioned response,so be it


I'm pretty passionate about it, but I can understand why opponents 
think that it's negative.  The media only shows you what bad can be 
accomplished with a gun.  Yet, those bad people are the very ones 
that gun control DOESN'T affect.  The only thing gun control does is 
take guns away from the law abiding citizens.  People who use guns 
for crime aren't worried about breaking the law to begun with.  Much 
the same way that marijuana is illegal, yet I bet you I could find 
myself some in less than an hour if I really wanted to (no, I don't 
smoke pot!).

Get yourself an NRA magazine and read up on all the good that can be 
done with a gun.  You'd be surprised how many crimes are thwarted 
with firearms (the liberal media never covers those stories).  It's 
been proven many times that communities with stringent gun laws 
eventually end up with higher crime rates, and vise versa.  Look at 
Chicago... they have a handgun ban, yet they are the murder capitol 
of the USA now.  That gun control worked wonders didn't it?  Thugs 
aren't quite as eager to go mug someone when there's a chance that 
they may be packing heat.

The really stupid part is that some of these idiots in government 
would like to make it a crime to defend yourself with a gun in your 
own home.  And our wonderful President elect is one of them.  I'm 
sorry, but if someone commits a crime with a gun or breaks into a 
home and they get shot and killed, I don't feel one bit sorry.

-Tony



From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Nov  9 09:54:04 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:54:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <D66B13282E2C49B98BA635FF5ECFE8B0@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMENMHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Remember:  "It's election day!  Get out and vote.  Early and often!".

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Judge Tommy
> Turner
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 07:23 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
> 
> 
> That's the way I do it every time I run Arnie!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> 
> > and had EVERYONE
> > vote multiple times in every district.  It's 
> relly neat to see such voter
> > turnout.  
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Nov  9 10:08:19 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:08:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEENNHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Arnie:

Since we're about a light year off topic already, I thought I'd -temporarily- put a movie up.  It's kinda convincing.  Don't make any judgements until you get the context of it.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/GunControl.wmv

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:44 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US

..................snippety snip...................
 
> Its not a matter of "gun control."  It's a lack 
> of idiot control.  If there were
> no guns, this idiot would have the 8-year old 
> driving down the Interstate or
> reching up into the power mower to clear a clog 
> (or doing the same to the
> garbge disposal).
> 
> See ya,  Arnie




From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sun Nov  9 10:57:25 2008
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:57:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7><1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com><8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7><1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com><C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7>
	<0KA200EM4QYUWF89@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <005d01c9429d$05d6c630$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Tony,
  What a bunch of crap!!  Since you know what our president elect believes 
and is going to do ---how about providing us all a real service by telling 
us what the weather is going to be like next week. Happy Birthday Marines , 
Semper Fi     George Armstrong
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony & Jackie" <kimmell at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US


> At 03:40 AM 11/9/2008, you wrote:
>>Guns ,well what frightens me is the number of guns you have ,the ordinary
>>citizen . I have nothing against guns they are a needed in particular
>>circumstances but not to have every second citizen carrying one ...idiots
>>included.It must be easier to control the guns rather than the idiots .I
>>know this will evoke a flood of impassioned response,so be it
>
>
> I'm pretty passionate about it, but I can understand why opponents
> think that it's negative.  The media only shows you what bad can be
> accomplished with a gun.  Yet, those bad people are the very ones
> that gun control DOESN'T affect.  The only thing gun control does is
> take guns away from the law abiding citizens.  People who use guns
> for crime aren't worried about breaking the law to begun with.  Much
> the same way that marijuana is illegal, yet I bet you I could find
> myself some in less than an hour if I really wanted to (no, I don't
> smoke pot!).
>
> Get yourself an NRA magazine and read up on all the good that can be
> done with a gun.  You'd be surprised how many crimes are thwarted
> with firearms (the liberal media never covers those stories).  It's
> been proven many times that communities with stringent gun laws
> eventually end up with higher crime rates, and vise versa.  Look at
> Chicago... they have a handgun ban, yet they are the murder capitol
> of the USA now.  That gun control worked wonders didn't it?  Thugs
> aren't quite as eager to go mug someone when there's a chance that
> they may be packing heat.
>
> The really stupid part is that some of these idiots in government
> would like to make it a crime to defend yourself with a gun in your
> own home.  And our wonderful President elect is one of them.  I'm
> sorry, but if someone commits a crime with a gun or breaks into a
> home and they get shot and killed, I don't feel one bit sorry.
>
> -Tony
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 





From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Nov  9 12:42:00 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:42:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
In-Reply-To: <739BA5FE10B14DD999F232EC1CF69A52@tommydk7hxjr4h>
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h><026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><89C33FC916C743E3AF64414316C05942@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<8BE14195-FAD2-403B-BC30-4430C1A8B8E9@alltel.net>
	<739BA5FE10B14DD999F232EC1CF69A52@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <23F82FBC-EE86-4A2A-B64A-505A9F84857F@alltel.net>

On Nov 8, 2008, at 7:39 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

>   Keep yourself above room temp. Dave!
> Tommy Turner

It is getting harder and harder Tommy. Hell, only last night it took  
me all night to do what I used to do all night!
	Dave
PS, "Harder and harder" is (sadly)  ONLY a figure of speech!
PPS, If you don't understand the first PS ask Reg--but, please, do so  
off list. This is a family friendly list! 


From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Nov  9 13:01:16 2008
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:01:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
Message-ID: <20081109.160116.872.0.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi List,

Does anyone out there have any idea where to find the leather cup shaped
disks found in 
the pump of an antique blow torch or antique plumbers stove?

It is made of leather with an outside diameter of about 3/4" and a 3/16"
hole in the middle.
It is shaped like a cup with the sides approx 1/8" - 3/16" high.

Also - I'm looking for the material that might be used in the check valve
to stop the air 
from returning back through the pump.

Any ideas will be appreciated.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - 
   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
____________________________________________________________
Find precision scales that can weigh anything. Click now!
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mPT36TTAZfmlmPuyBQRdrboc1TB4zpCZOSHxrG9zZgLVC41/


From milo at hughes.net  Sun Nov  9 13:26:46 2008
From: milo at hughes.net (milo at hughes.net)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:26:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
In-Reply-To: <20081109.160116.872.0.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20081109.160116.872.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <F426234AB1A541C68F690B2E4411DCAC@GALMIWHOLROYDMH>


>Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
>
>Hi List,
>
>Does anyone out there have any idea where to find the leather cup shaped
>disks found in
>the pump of an antique blow torch or antique plumbers stove?
>
>It is made of leather with an outside diameter of about 3/4" and a 3/16"
>hole in the middle.
>It is shaped like a cup with the sides approx 1/8" - 3/16" high.
>
>Also - I'm looking for the material that might be used in the check valve
>to stop the air
>from returning back through the pump.
>
>Any ideas will be appreciated.
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" -
>   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.

Sounds a lot like Coleman gas stove parts. 
"maybe?"

Peace
Milo

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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun Nov  9 13:41:13 2008
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:41:13 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
In-Reply-To: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081110083951.020ba098@ncable.com.au>

Nice gear Patrick, Is the 3hp Blacky Pauls. Also recon that looks 
like Edds old Alan?
Russell


At 03:17 PM 9/11/2008, you wrote:
>To break up the riveting political discussion: here are some boring old
>pictures of engines from today's display at Luddenham in Western Sydney:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ldm08/index.htm
>
>
>Patrick M Livingstone
>Leichhardt NSW
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Nov  9 13:42:58 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:42:58 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEENNHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEENNHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <D9F9CC31-FF07-46EB-86D4-AA64E4666EED@rustyiron.com>

Isn't there anyplace else where old women can go to yammer on about  
completely impertinent subjects?

How about these sites?

www.listentome.com
www.desperateforattention.org
www.getalife.gov


































From kimmell at verizon.net  Sun Nov  9 14:19:25 2008
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:19:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <005d01c9429d$05d6c630$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7>
	<0KA200EM4QYUWF89@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
	<005d01c9429d$05d6c630$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>
Message-ID: <0KA300BZ579VS9A4@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>

George,
All my statements are based on his past votes as senator in my home 
state of IL.  People keep saying you can't predict what someone is 
going to do... those people need to look at his voting record here in 
the IL senate.

With that said... I'll leave this topic alone now.  Back to engines.

-Tony


At 12:57 PM 11/9/2008, you wrote:
>Tony,
>   What a bunch of crap!!  Since you know what our president elect believes
>and is going to do ---how about providing us all a real service by telling
>us what the weather is going to be like next week. Happy Birthday Marines ,
>Semper Fi     George Armstrong




From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Nov  9 16:30:42 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:30:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
In-Reply-To: <23F82FBC-EE86-4A2A-B64A-505A9F84857F@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEOBHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Quit braggin' Dave!  It ain't becomin'!

Take care - Elden
edurand at mchsi.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of David
> Rotigel
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 02:42 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
> 
> 
> On Nov 8, 2008, at 7:39 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> 
> >   Keep yourself above room temp. Dave!
> > Tommy Turner
> 
> It is getting harder and harder Tommy. Hell, only 
> last night it took  
> me all night to do what I used to do all night!
> 	Dave




From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Nov  9 16:32:42 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:32:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
In-Reply-To: <20081109.160116.872.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEOBHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Pip:

Go to McMaster.COM and root around.  I believe they carry pump leathers in various sizes.  If all else fails, just cut the tongues out of your Florsheims.  What with the white socks, no one will notice.    :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> jlb94 at juno.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 03:01 PM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
> 
> 
> Hi List,
> 
> Does anyone out there have any idea where to find 
> the leather cup shaped
> disks found in 
> the pump of an antique blow torch or antique 
> plumbers stove?
> 
> It is made of leather with an outside diameter of 
> about 3/4" and a 3/16"
> hole in the middle.
> It is shaped like a cup with the sides approx 
> 1/8" - 3/16" high.
> 
> Also - I'm looking for the material that might be 
> used in the check valve
> to stop the air 
> from returning back through the pump.
> 
> Any ideas will be appreciated.
> 
>  Joe "Pip" Betz said that.




From enginepaul at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 15:56:43 2008
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:56:43 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <0KA300BZ579VS9A4@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7>
	<0KA200EM4QYUWF89@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
	<005d01c9429d$05d6c630$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>
	<0KA300BZ579VS9A4@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0811091556s5ebef3b1j256f0955fe481f20@mail.gmail.com>

True:
"The really stupid part is that some of these idiots in government
would like to make it a crime to defend yourself with a gun in your
own home."
In California you had to prove that you couldn't escape your own house if
you used a gun. That's right; if you were in your own home and someone broke
in, you had to run. One SanFran guy was being sued because he shot a crook
that reached through his  security gate and grabbed the wife by the hair.
There are many other examples of the bad guys having rights while committing
crimes. But that's for Slick.
Back to the beginning; a new President may be needed, but we got the wrong
one.

Happy Birthday U.S. Marines (November 10th)
Semper Fi,
Paul in SanFran


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Sun Nov  9 16:00:15 2008
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:00:15 -0000
Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20080709101221.00c30b00@mail.net2000.com.au><000901c8e16b$49230040$0200a8c0@KAYE><1520A1F2B4F44182B6E9CC3C40A0D665@tommydk7hxjr4h><026601c8e2f7$b6508970$0201a8c0@PC126411058289><89C33FC916C743E3AF64414316C05942@tommydk7hxjr4h><8BE14195-FAD2-403B-BC30-4430C1A8B8E9@alltel.net><739BA5FE10B14DD999F232EC1CF69A52@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<23F82FBC-EE86-4A2A-B64A-505A9F84857F@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <000801c942c7$56a83880$12b40556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)


> On Nov 8, 2008, at 7:39 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>>   Keep yourself above room temp. Dave!
>> Tommy Turner
> 
> It is getting harder and harder Tommy. Hell, only last night it took  
> me all night to do what I used to do all night!
> Dave
> PS, "Harder and harder" is (sadly)  ONLY a figure of speech!
> PPS, If you don't understand the first PS ask Reg--but, please, do so  
> off list. This is a family friendly list! 

Hi Dave, I am also of declining years.
Does http://www.gumicsizma.hu/data/flash//dearpenis.swf
show the problem?
Dave Croft
Warrington
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From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Sun Nov  9 16:22:35 2008
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:22:35 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7><1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com><8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7><1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com><C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7><0KA200EM4QYUWF89@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net><005d01c9429d$05d6c630$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5><0KA300BZ579VS9A4@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>
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Debateable:
"We needed a new president , but we got the wrong one." USMC Retired--Semper 
Fi
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US


> True:
> "The really stupid part is that some of these idiots in government
> would like to make it a crime to defend yourself with a gun in your
> own home."
> In California you had to prove that you couldn't escape your own house if
> you used a gun. That's right; if you were in your own home and someone 
> broke
> in, you had to run. One SanFran guy was being sued because he shot a crook
> that reached through his  security gate and grabbed the wife by the hair.
> There are many other examples of the bad guys having rights while 
> committing
> crimes. But that's for Slick.
> Back to the beginning; a new President may be needed, but we got the wrong
> one.
>
> Happy Birthday U.S. Marines (November 10th)
> Semper Fi,
> Paul in SanFran
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From jbcast at charter.net  Sun Nov  9 17:40:52 2008
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:40:52 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
In-Reply-To: <20081109.160116.872.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20081109204052.A5WF0.1054046.root@mp17>


---- jlb94 at juno.com wrote: 
> Hi List,
> 
> Does anyone out there have any idea where to find the leather cup shaped
> disks found in 
> the pump of an antique blow torch or antique plumbers stove?
> 
> It is made of leather with an outside diameter of about 3/4" and a 3/16"
> hole in the middle.
> It is shaped like a cup with the sides approx 1/8" - 3/16" high.
> 
> Also - I'm looking for the material that might be used in the check valve
> to stop the air 
> from returning back through the pump.
> 
> Any ideas will be appreciated.
> 
>  Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 

Joe, if you're going to fire it up, be careful. A leaking check valve will allow gas to come back out of the pump causing a thermal event. Try it outside and give it room.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA


From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Nov  9 18:33:05 2008
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:33:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
Message-ID: <20081109.214400.1344.3.jlb94@juno.com>

Go to McMaster.COM and root around.  I believe they carry pump leathers
in various sizes.
=        =        =        =        =        =        
Hi Elden,
 
I started with McMaster-Carr.
After searching around - I got nowhere.
That's why I'm asking the list.
 
Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Nov  9 18:28:31 2008
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:28:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
Message-ID: <20081109.214400.1344.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Sounds a lot like Coleman gas stove parts. 
"maybe?"
=        =        =        =        ==        
Hi Milo,

YES - - - But - - - NO

YES - That is the kind of pump parts I want.
NO - Coleman parts are too small.

Thanks

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Nov  9 20:01:02 2008
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 23:01:02 EST
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
Message-ID: <d1b.2fd6787f.36490bfe@aol.com>

The leather used in the vamp of boots make good leather cups for a  pump.  An 
outside form for your pump leathers can be fabricated from a  tube which is 
the same diameter as the pump cylinder.  A wooden dowel  shaped to be the same 
diameter as the inside diameter of the leathers  (there is usually a washer 
that holds the leather cup in place - use this  diameter for the inside form).  
Soak the leather in water.  Then force  the leather (with the smooth side 
down) into the outside form with the  inside form.  Then, let the leather dry.  
After the unit is dried,  trim the leather to height, punch the center hole, oil 
the cup,  and install it into the pump.
 
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 93454

 
 
In a message dated 11/9/2008 6:54:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jlb94 at juno.com writes:

I  started with McMaster-Carr.
After searching around - I got  nowhere.
That's why I'm asking the list.




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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Sun Nov  9 20:11:32 2008
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:11:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
In-Reply-To: <20081109.160116.872.0.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <010101c942ea$6b911320$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>

Don't know about one that small but I made some for an old forklift
hydraulic cylinder (about 3" diameter cylinder IIRC) with leather I got
at a saddle shop.  Cut it & then got it wet; formed it to shape & when
dry it held the shape well enough to work.

Lew near Waco, TX


-----Original Message-----
 Hi List,

Does anyone out there have any idea where to find the leather cup shaped
disks found in 
the pump of an antique blow torch or antique plumbers stove?

It is made of leather with an outside diameter of about 3/4" and a 3/16"
hole in the middle.
It is shaped like a cup with the sides approx 1/8" - 3/16" high.

Also - I'm looking for the material that might be used in the check
valve
to stop the air 
from returning back through the pump.

Any ideas will be appreciated.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - 
   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
____________________________________________________________




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Nov  9 21:31:14 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:31:14 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
In-Reply-To: <9BF37C64-26F9-400A-AE99-16F10237D504@internode.on.net>
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>	<000501c9422a$13317dc0$39947940$@net.au><F8AA0E6B67FB4EF0B54DFAB0DA6E3B91@PML><000301c94245$57d2a8d0$0777fa70$@net.au><513925593B98452BB35CFF49F814B446@PML>
	<9BF37C64-26F9-400A-AE99-16F10237D504@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <299CAFCCECA94A3292341FF12EA45219@PML>

Hi Eric,
	I was so busy getting a picture of the interesting hopper that I did
not get a shot of the nameplate. I am pretty sure the sign on the fence said
it was a Ronaldson-Tippet Austral. That hopper is pretty unusual.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Eric Schulz
Sent: Sunday, 9 November 2008 10:35 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Some engine pics


On 09/11/2008, at 10:11 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote:

> The number on the side of the barrel would be the casting part
> number. The engine number would be on the brass plate fitted to the
> crankcase cover on the hopper side of the engine. I think the engine  
> is a
> 2hp.

The engine definitely is a 2hp, and, as it has an upright magneto, it  
can be no later than 1941.
That hopper is something you wouldn't believe unless you saw it your  
self!
Patrick, do you know if this engine had an Austral plate, or was it  
made for someone else?

Eric
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Nov  9 21:33:39 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:33:39 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Some engine pics
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20081110083951.020ba098@ncable.com.au>
References: <FBC3EED2307C459990FCABD6B1404B25@PML>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20081110083951.020ba098@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <B7B0A5E4A28B46A6A22E4198015F76B1@PML>

The little 3hp Blackstone is Paul's latest on its first outing. The Allan is
the one that Edd used to own. Always a nice engine.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html


-----Original Message-----


Nice gear Patrick, Is the 3hp Blacky Pauls. Also recon that looks 
like Edds old Alan?
Russell





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 10 03:21:53 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:21:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <0KA200EM4QYUWF89@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
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	<1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7>
	<0KA200EM4QYUWF89@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <1226316113.491819511f0af@webmail.city-net.com>

Remember "gun control" means putting the second bullet 
through the first hole.

Quoting Tony & Jackie <kimmell at verizon.net>:

> The only thing gun control does is 
> take guns away from the law abiding citizens. 




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 10 03:28:58 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:28:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEENNHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEENNHJAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <1226316538.49181afa2c633@webmail.city-net.com>

EXCELLENT!!  Must viewing!

Quoting Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>:

> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/GunControl.wmv




From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Mon Nov 10 03:38:59 2008
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:38:59 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
Message-ID: <49181D53.3080507@steamengine.com.au>

Compulsory voting? Maybe. But it isn't compulsory to enrol. Once you're 
in it is pretty hard to get out though!

I managed it... moved house four times and went and worked overseas for 
a few years. Fell off the roll!

Regards
Paul

peter ogborne wrote:
> I know we dont like to get too political on this forum .Congratulations to the citizens of the US for your massive turn out to voice your democratic rights .As you might or might not know we in Australia have compulsory voting ,something I have no problem with.
> Great to see such a turn out and all the best for the future .
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Nov 10 06:11:31 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:11:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <1226316113.491819511f0af@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
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And using both hands!

At 06:21 AM 11/10/08, you wrote:
>Remember "gun control" means putting the second bullet
>through the first hole.
>
>Quoting Tony & Jackie <kimmell at verizon.net>:
>
> > The only thing gun control does is
> > take guns away from the law abiding citizens.


Mark Shulaw
Bluffton Ohio  




From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Nov 10 07:12:46 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:12:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20081110091029.0304c690@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com>
	<8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7>
	<1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7>
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It's really not about guns at all--it's about CONTROL!
	Dave


On Nov 10, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

> And using both hands!
>
> At 06:21 AM 11/10/08, you wrote:
>> Remember "gun control" means putting the second bullet
>> through the first hole.
>>
>> Quoting Tony & Jackie <kimmell at verizon.net>:
>>
>>> The only thing gun control does is
>>> take guns away from the law abiding citizens.
>
>
> Mark Shulaw


From shop at cccomm.net  Mon Nov 10 07:21:26 2008
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:21:26 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US
References: <50F0F5FECE274ABD83370074140282CF@your9e74d7efa7><1226192642.49163702b8be6@webmail.city-net.com><8D5C0980D66749E9BD60E55CFC9FCB15@your9e74d7efa7><1226209444.491678a42934b@webmail.city-net.com><C4F0B415F2A54DA99C6B06BC47513A5B@your9e74d7efa7><0KA200EM4QYUWF89@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net><1226316113.491819511f0af@webmail.city-net.com>
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Gun control is;
You keep control of yours,
I'll keep control of mine..................

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT ..congrats to the US


And using both hands!

At 06:21 AM 11/10/08, you wrote:
>Remember "gun control" means putting the second bullet
>through the first hole.
>
>Quoting Tony & Jackie <kimmell at verizon.net>:
>
> > The only thing gun control does is
> > take guns away from the law abiding citizens.


Mark Shulaw
Bluffton Ohio


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From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Nov 10 08:51:12 2008
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:51:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
Message-ID: <20081110.115407.984.12.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Lew,
As I said in a previous e-mail - Looks like I'm going to have to give it
a try.
I have several scraps of leather hiding in a drawer.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - 
   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.

 
Lew near Waco, TX 
On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:11:32 -0600 "Lew Best" <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
writes:
> Don't know about one that small but I made some for an old forklift
> hydraulic cylinder (about 3" diameter cylinder IIRC) with leather I 
> got
> at a saddle shop.  Cut it & then got it wet; formed it to shape & 
> when
> dry it held the shape well enough to work.
> 
> Lew near Waco, TX
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>  Hi List,
> 
> Does anyone out there have any idea where to find the leather cup 
> shaped
> disks found in 
> the pump of an antique blow torch or antique plumbers stove?
> 
> It is made of leather with an outside diameter of about 3/4" and a 
> 3/16"
> hole in the middle.
> It is shaped like a cup with the sides approx 1/8" - 3/16" high.
> 
> Also - I'm looking for the material that might be used in the check
> valve
> to stop the air 
> from returning back through the pump.
> 
> Any ideas will be appreciated.
> 
>  Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
>  jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>    ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>    \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - 
>    (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
> ____________________________________________________________
> 
> 
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Nov 10 08:49:33 2008
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:49:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
Message-ID: <20081110.115407.984.11.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Francis,
I was thinking of going that route but would rather see if I could find
some 
professionaly made.
It looks like I'm going to have to give it a try.
Thanks,
 
Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - 
   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.

On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 23:01:02 EST FRM8198 at aol.com writes:
> The leather used in the vamp of boots make good leather cups for a  
> pump.  An 
> outside form for your pump leathers can be fabricated from a  tube 
> which is 
> the same diameter as the pump cylinder.  A wooden dowel  shaped to 
> be the same 
> diameter as the inside diameter of the leathers  (there is usually a 
> washer 
> that holds the leather cup in place - use this  diameter for the 
> inside form).  
> Soak the leather in water.  Then force  the leather (with the smooth 
> side 
> down) into the outside form with the  inside form.  Then, let the 
> leather dry.  
> After the unit is dried,  trim the leather to height, punch the 
> center hole, oil 
> the cup,  and install it into the pump.
>  
>  
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA 93454
> 
>  
>  
> In a message dated 11/9/2008 6:54:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
> jlb94 at juno.com writes:
> 
> I  started with McMaster-Carr.
> After searching around - I got  nowhere.
> That's why I'm asking the list.
> 
> 
> 
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Nov 10 09:39:34 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:39:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
In-Reply-To: <20081110.115407.984.12.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20081110.115407.984.12.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <1EF45B2B-835B-4984-940D-2771DDC1E6CA@alltel.net>

Hi Joe, I just called Meier Hdw in Export. They said that they  
"probably have" the leather you need. Bring in the old one and they  
can match it. You can reach them at: 724.327.1905.
	Dave


--------
David Rotigel
rotigel at alltel.net



On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:51 AM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

> Thanks Lew,
> As I said in a previous e-mail - Looks like I'm going to have to  
> give it
> a try.
> I have several scraps of leather hiding in a drawer.
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" -
>   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
>
>
> Lew near Waco, TX
> On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:11:32 -0600 "Lew Best"  
> <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
> writes:
>> Don't know about one that small but I made some for an old forklift
>> hydraulic cylinder (about 3" diameter cylinder IIRC) with leather I
>> got
>> at a saddle shop.  Cut it & then got it wet; formed it to shape &
>> when
>> dry it held the shape well enough to work.
>>
>> Lew near Waco, TX
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Hi List,
>>
>> Does anyone out there have any idea where to find the leather cup
>> shaped
>> disks found in
>> the pump of an antique blow torch or antique plumbers stove?
>>
>> It is made of leather with an outside diameter of about 3/4" and a
>> 3/16"
>> hole in the middle.
>> It is shaped like a cup with the sides approx 1/8" - 3/16" high.
>>
>> Also - I'm looking for the material that might be used in the check
>> valve
>> to stop the air
>> from returning back through the pump.
>>
>> Any ideas will be appreciated.
>>
>> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>>   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>>   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" -
>>   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
>> ____________________________________________________________
>>
>>
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>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Nov 10 11:30:11 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:30:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
In-Reply-To: <20081110.115407.984.11.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20081110.115407.984.11.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081110142712.033cb2c0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi Joe, Did you get the off list message about the two torch collectors 
that most likely will have or can direct you to proper parts 
sources?                 Mark



Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
No Sunday calls if possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Nov 10 12:16:32 2008
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:16:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
Message-ID: <20081110.152300.1080.7.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Mark,
YES - I e-mailed them and just this minute got a reply from David.
He explained that he only has torches for display and doesn't intend to
use them.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - 
   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
  
On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:30:11 -0500 Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> writes:
> Hi Joe, Did you get the off list message about the two torch 
> collectors 
> that most likely will have or can direct you to proper parts 
> sources?                 Mark
> 
> 
> 
> Mark & Christine Shulaw
> 454 Co. Rd. 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
> 
> Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
> Parts lists available on request.
> 
> Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206

> 
> 
 
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Mon Nov 10 13:33:00 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:33:00 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patina on brass
Message-ID: <20081110213300.6B8D44C8E00@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

First off ,Thanks for the information on pump /valve packing. Anyway ,is
there a way to replace 80 years of patina on a Lunk Greaser that some
misguided soul polished to bright brass? I can put in a few hours or even a
couple of days ,but can't wait decades. There has to be a chemical that
reverses the chemicals in "brass polish" Thanks Jimmy 

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 10 13:59:54 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:59:54 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Patina on brass
References: <20081110213300.6B8D44C8E00@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <000601c9437f$aadf7a90$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

There has to be a chemical that
> reverses the chemicals in "brass polish" Thanks Jimmy 
> Jim O'Hagan>>>>

Ammonia , or urine 


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 10 14:09:05 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:09:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Patina on brass
In-Reply-To: <20081110213300.6B8D44C8E00@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20081110213300.6B8D44C8E00@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <COL112-W34C7E5A264F7343639CB80951A0@phx.gbl>


HI Jim, Liver of sulfur which is available at Dick Blick art supplies will do the trick. or you can make your own which is not as fast acting by dissolving lime and sulfur in warm water. Steve> From: jdohagan at comcast.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:33:00 -0800> Subject: [SEL] Patina on brass> > First off ,Thanks for the information on pump /valve packing. Anyway ,is> there a way to replace 80 years of patina on a Lunk Greaser that some> misguided soul polished to bright brass? I can put in a few hours or even a> couple of days ,but can't wait decades. There has to be a chemical that> reverses the chemicals in "brass polish" Thanks Jimmy > > > > Jim O'Hagan> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Mon Nov 10 15:58:40 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:58:40 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Patina on brass
In-Reply-To: <000601c9437f$aadf7a90$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <20081110235841.4CEB0444867@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Oh!PISS on it!

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Balyeat
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 2:00 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Patina on brass

There has to be a chemical that
> reverses the chemicals in "brass polish" Thanks Jimmy 
> Jim O'Hagan>>>>

Ammonia , or urine 
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Nov 10 16:16:32 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:16:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Patina on brass
In-Reply-To: <20081110213300.6B8D44C8E00@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20081110213300.6B8D44C8E00@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081110191533.03047d90@pop3.wcoil.com>

Send it to my place my sulphur water will take care of it in a few weeks. 
Make it look ages old. GRINN,  Mark


At 04:33 PM 11/10/08, you wrote:
>First off ,Thanks for the information on pump /valve packing. Anyway ,is
>there a way to replace 80 years of patina on a Lunk Greaser that some
>misguided soul polished to bright brass? I can put in a few hours or even a
>couple of days ,but can't wait decades. There has to be a chemical that
>reverses the chemicals in "brass polish" Thanks Jimmy
>
>
>
>Jim O'Hagan
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817  USA            Email: Frappi at wcoil.com

Your one stop on line source for Maytag Multi-Motor parts.
Parts lists available on request.

Weekdays & Saturday 10 AM to 9 PM Eastern Time 419.358.5206
No Sunday calls if possible.
I am not an employee or licensed dealer for Maytag Corp. Nor do I represent 
them in any way shape or form. I am only a Collector, Preservationist and 
hobby dealer of Maytag manufactured items of old.   Mark




From k_armstrong at arach.net.au  Mon Nov 10 18:44:18 2008
From: k_armstrong at arach.net.au (kevin armstrong)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:44:18 +0900
Subject: [SEL] usa holiday 2008
Message-ID: <B72DCAFC6F1241C79FD2BE298319BA8C@armstrong>

Hello all,
            After 6wks holiday in the USA from July 31,  we managed to visit a engine show or 2, I have only just had time to modify my web page. We when to the,
 Northern Illinois Steam Power 52nd annual Sycamore Show on Aug 14 2008 
 http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/SYCOMORE%20SHOW%202008.htm
121st annual Sandwich Fair (Illinois) Sept 3rd 2008
http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/SANDWICH%20FAIR%202008.htm
Tri State Gas Engine 43rd annual show at  Portland Indiana aug 22nd 2008
http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/portland%20show%202008.htm
Hostetlers Hudson Auto Museum at Shipswana Indiana 
 http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/HUDSON%20CAR%20COLLECTION.htm
 With only 6 weeks holiday there was much to see and do with other things on the list.
A week before we went I got a bug in my computer which was not sorted out before I left, so I bought a new lap top to take with all my email contacts set up, then I got a bug in that computer and had to reset to start up and lost all email details, so not much contact was made any where.
 have a look
regards

Kevin & Lorraine Armstrong
Collectors of old things
Perth
WA 
Australia
Vintage Tractor & Machinery Association member 
V.C.C. of WA. member 
k_armstrong at arach.net.au
www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong


From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Nov 10 19:48:43 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:48:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Easy Starter & Speeder Frankfort Ind.
In-Reply-To: <20081110.115407.984.11.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20081110.115407.984.11.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081110222543.0304b810@pop3.wcoil.com>

Hi All, Does anyone know what this was or came from? Top reads  EASY 
STARTER AND SPEEDER PATS PENDING KNUDLE -McDANIEL CO. FRANKFORT, IND  I am 
guessing at the KNU from just small parts of the remaining letters, these 
letters are very indistinct.
  I've researced the names on top all ways I can think of without any real 
clue. Been all over with Google and searched the patent office extensively 
to the best of my knowledge. NOTHING.
Lots of guesses as to what it was but anyone know for 
sure?          Thanks,  Mark

http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/ess1.jpg
http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/ess2.jpg
http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/ess3.jpg


Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, Ohio 45817
Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
Home #419.358.5206





From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Nov 10 20:24:55 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:24:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Easy Starter & Speeder Frankfort Ind.
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081110231306.0304b570@pop3.wcoil.com>

PS: Did find the possability of something in the site 
http://www.newspaperarchive.com/
this site says they have something matching what I am looking for but it 
requires a annual membership to view the site.  Anyone happen to be a 
member that can let me know if the info contained would pertain to the 
item? They do have a $9.99 one month introductory trial offer I would be 
willing to buy if I knew the info really pertained to what I am looking for.
The best guess I've had is its a sort of fuel primer. Possably an add on 
device to make for easier car or tractor starting.        TTYL,   Mark

 >Hi All, Does anyone know what this was or came from? Top reads  EASY 
STARTER AND SPEEDER >PATS PENDING KNUDLE -McDANIEL CO. FRANKFORT, IND  I am 
guessing at the KNU from just small >parts of the remaining letters, these 
letters are very indistinct.
 >I've researced the names on top all ways I can think of without any real 
clue. Been all over with Google >and searched the patent office extensively 
to the best of my knowledge. NOTHING.
 >Lots of guesses as to what it was but anyone know for 
sure?          Thanks,  Mark

http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/ess1.jpg
http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/ess2.jpg
http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/ess3.jpg


Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, Ohio 45817
Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
Home #419.358.5206





From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 06:06:06 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:06:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Easy Starter & Speeder Frankfort Ind.
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20081110231306.0304b570@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <000801c94406$a45b9e10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>




> PS: Did find the possability of something in the site 
> http://www.newspaperarchive.com/
> this site says they have something matching what I am looking for but it 
> requires a annual membership to view the site.  

I'll buh bubetcha they dont either . 


From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Nov 11 06:39:00 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:39:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20081110222543.0304b810@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <20081110.115407.984.11.jlb94@juno.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20081110222543.0304b810@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081111093805.0304d8a0@pop3.wcoil.com>

Any ideas as to what this engine is? http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/unknown.jpg



Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, Ohio 45817
Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
Home #419.358.5206





From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Nov 11 06:41:37 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:41:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081111094025.0304f790@pop3.wcoil.com>

This is the info provided.

Single cylinder 4hp hopper-cooled german stationery engine. (4hp at 2000 
revs per minute) 4 stroke petrol type with 2 flywheels. Exposed valve gear. 
Type MA 608, engine N? 1238748. QX markings on both flywheels.

  http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/unknown.jpg



Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, Ohio 45817
Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
Home #419.358.5206






From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 07:13:20 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:13:20 -0600
Subject: [SEL] usa holiday 2008
References: <B72DCAFC6F1241C79FD2BE298319BA8C@armstrong>
Message-ID: <003f01c94410$6202dc90$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

 http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/images/DSC02410.JPG
Is that Brother Rudy sittin' under there ? 


Chuck Balyeat 
http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm


From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Nov 11 08:06:00 2008
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:06:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
Message-ID: <20081111.110709.300.5.jlb94@juno.com>

Thanks Dave, 
I'll give them a call.
I never thought to try hardware stores.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - 
   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
 
On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:39:34 -0500 David Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
writes:
> Hi Joe, I just called Meier Hdw in Export. They said that they  
> "probably have" the leather you need. Bring in the old one and they  
> 
> can match it. You can reach them at: 724.327.1905.
>         Dave
> 
> 
> --------
> David Rotigel
> rotigel at alltel.net
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:51 AM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Lew,
> > As I said in a previous e-mail - Looks like I'm going to have to  
> 
> > give it
> > a try.
> > I have several scraps of leather hiding in a drawer.
> >
> > Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> >   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> >   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" -
> >   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
> >
> >
> > Lew near Waco, TX
> > On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:11:32 -0600 "Lew Best"  
> > <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
> > writes:
> >> Don't know about one that small but I made some for an old 
> forklift
> >> hydraulic cylinder (about 3" diameter cylinder IIRC) with leather 
> I
> >> got
> >> at a saddle shop.  Cut it & then got it wet; formed it to shape 
> &
> >> when
> >> dry it held the shape well enough to work.
> >>
> >> Lew near Waco, TX
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> Hi List,
> >>
> >> Does anyone out there have any idea where to find the leather 
> cup
> >> shaped
> >> disks found in
> >> the pump of an antique blow torch or antique plumbers stove?
> >>
> >> It is made of leather with an outside diameter of about 3/4" and 
> a
> >> 3/16"
> >> hole in the middle.
> >> It is shaped like a cup with the sides approx 1/8" - 3/16" high.
> >>
> >> Also - I'm looking for the material that might be used in the 
> check
> >> valve
> >> to stop the air
> >> from returning back through the pump.
> >>
> >> Any ideas will be appreciated.
> >>
> >> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> >> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> >>   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> >>   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" -
> >>   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
> >> ____________________________________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>
> >
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Nov 11 09:33:53 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:33:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
In-Reply-To: <20081111.110709.300.5.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20081111.110709.300.5.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <7C806AF5-635F-4D43-B35C-62AEA6E21393@alltel.net>

Hi Joe,
	Don't know if you have ever been to Meier Hdw., but it's about the  
same as it must have been in the 1930's. Jack will probably go to the  
basement and return with a box full of assorted small pump leathers.  
You and he will then sort through the box until you find what you need!
	Dave
PS, There is also an outside chance that the price you pay will be  
written on a paper tag that was attached to the leather in 1937!
PPS, Good luck!



On Nov 11, 2008, at 11:06 AM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

> Thanks Dave,
> I'll give them a call.
> I never thought to try hardware stores.
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" -
>   (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
>
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:39:34 -0500 David Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
> writes:
>> Hi Joe, I just called Meier Hdw in Export. They said that they
>> "probably have" the leather you need. Bring in the old one and they
>>
>> can match it. You can reach them at: 724.327.1905.
>>        Dave
>>
>>
>> --------
>> David Rotigel
>> rotigel at alltel.net
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:51 AM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Lew,
>>> As I said in a previous e-mail - Looks like I'm going to have to
>>
>>> give it
>>> a try.
>>> I have several scraps of leather hiding in a drawer.
>>>
>>> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>>> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>>>  ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>>>  \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" -
>>>  (_o_)        Ban large pumpkin colored highway signs.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lew near Waco, TX
>>> On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:11:32 -0600 "Lew Best"
>>> <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
>>> writes:
>>>> Don't know about one that small but I made some for an old
>> forklift
>>>> hydraulic cylinder (about 3" diameter cylinder IIRC) with leather
>> I
>>>> got
>>>> at a saddle shop.  Cut it & then got it wet; formed it to shape
>> &
>>>> when
>>>> dry it held the shape well enough to work.
>>>>
>>>> Lew near Waco, TX
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> Hi List,
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone out there have any idea where to find the leather
>> cup
>>>> shaped
>>>> disks found in
>>>> the pump of an antique blow torch or antique plumbers stove?
>>>>
>>>> It is made of leather with an outside diameter of about 3/4" and
>> a
>>>> 3/16"
>>>> hole in the middle.
>>>> It is shaped like a cup with the sides approx 1/8" - 3/16" high.
>>>>
>>>> Also - I'm looking for the material that might be used in the
>> check
>>>> valve
>>>> to stop the air
>>>> from returning back through the pump.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas will be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>>>> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Nov 11 13:01:06 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:01:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20081111094025.0304f790@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <65B128024019406DB975ACCA73375269@tommyd0x52gkco>

At 2000 rpm's that little baby would be ready to fly!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Shulaw
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:42 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine

This is the info provided.

Single cylinder 4hp hopper-cooled german stationery engine. (4hp at 2000

revs per minute) 4 stroke petrol type with 2 flywheels. Exposed valve
gear. 
Type MA 608, engine N? 1238748. QX markings on both flywheels.

  http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/unknown.jpg



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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 13:57:38 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:57:38 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20081111094025.0304f790@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20081111094025.0304f790@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811111357s1e144021yd0bd3f84fac201bd@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/11/2008, Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
> This is the info provided.
>
> Single cylinder 4hp hopper-cooled german stationery engine. (4hp at 2000
> revs per minute) 4 stroke petrol type with 2 flywheels. Exposed valve gear.
> Type MA 608, engine N? 1238748. QX markings on both flywheels.
>

Sounds like a Deutz engine, they also made the MAH type as well, plus
there were lots of licencees throughout the world. There's a picture
of an MAH engine in our Nuenen report:

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2008/Nuenen109.htm

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 14:03:36 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:03:36 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811111357s1e144021yd0bd3f84fac201bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20081111094025.0304f790@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<6f6025160811111357s1e144021yd0bd3f84fac201bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811111403g36238a4av3bd07261c59f71f5@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/11/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/11/2008, Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
>> This is the info provided.
>>
>> Single cylinder 4hp hopper-cooled german stationery engine. (4hp at 2000
>> revs per minute) 4 stroke petrol type with 2 flywheels. Exposed valve
>> gear.
>> Type MA 608, engine N? 1238748. QX markings on both flywheels.
>>
>
> Sounds like a Deutz engine, they also made the MAH type as well, plus
> there were lots of licencees throughout the world. There's a picture
> of an MAH engine in our Nuenen report:
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2008/Nuenen109.htm
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
>

Here's a Sendling engine at Nuenen:

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2008/Nuenen114.htm

and another small Deutz:

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Nuenen2008/Nuenen255.htm

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk



From bernie at mtcityrealty.com  Tue Nov 11 18:20:41 2008
From: bernie at mtcityrealty.com (bernie)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:20:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
In-Reply-To: <20081111.110709.300.5.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20081111.110709.300.5.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <491A3D79.7090101@mtcityrealty.com>

Do they have to be leather?  You might be able to get cups from brake 
cylinders that will fit, but they will be rubber.  There usually 
available from any napa store by diameter.

I do remember seeing the 3/4" leather ones somewhere but for the life of 
me cant remember where that was.

Bernie


From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 11 18:42:32 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:42:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
References: <20081111.110709.300.5.jlb94@juno.com>
	<491A3D79.7090101@mtcityrealty.com>
Message-ID: <000601c94470$5081ce80$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

> Do they have to be leather?  You might be able to get cups from brake 
> cylinders that will fit, but they will be rubber.  There usually 
> available from any napa store by diameter.


Styrene butadiene doesnt like  gasolene 
Nor  petroleum products at all . 
Those 3/4" cups will be 1 - 1/2 when you 
finally get them wrenched out of the hole . 

Chuck 



From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Nov 11 19:09:22 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:09:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
References: <20081111.110709.300.5.jlb94@juno.com><491A3D79.7090101@mtcityrealty.com>
	<000601c94470$5081ce80$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <D7949F1E05A848B9A5AE2FB39FF0E804@tommydk7hxjr4h>

While putting an O ring on a shaft once I accidentally dropped it in some 
lacquer thinner I had on the bench to clean a paint brush.  I looked for an 
hour for the O ring and finally gave up and went to town and purchased 
another one.  The next day I was pouring out the thinner and there was the O 
ring.  It was about 1/2 inch dia before it went in the thinner.  It was 
probably an inch and a half diameter when I pulled it out.  Real "rubbery" 
too!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Balyeat" <kerogas at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers


>> Do they have to be leather?  You might be able to get cups from brake
>> cylinders that will fit, but they will be rubber.  There usually
>> available from any napa store by diameter.
>
>
> Styrene butadiene doesnt like  gasolene
> Nor  petroleum products at all .
> Those 3/4" cups will be 1 - 1/2 when you
> finally get them wrenched out of the hole .
>
> Chuck
>
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 11 19:23:45 2008
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:23:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] United engine questions
Message-ID: <554766.93348.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

About a year and a half ago we went on a trip to get some Titan tractor parts in SK. We stopped for the night in Moose Jaw and I found an ad in a local paper for a hit and miss engine. It turned out to be a 1 3/4 hp hopper cooled United type A. 
I have owned a lot of engines, but this is my first United. Since it looks like it is going to be a long, long winter. I want to get it in the shop and restore it. I have several questions and am hoping that the folks on the list can enlighten me.
First, does anyone have a paint code, preferable Centauri?
Next, this engine has a mixer on it like an Associated. I have seen a few Uniteds, but they had Lunkenheimer mixers on them. Could the Associated mixer be correct, or is it a later addition?
Next, were Uniteds available with the same right angle gear drive mag as found on some Associateds? I have a mag that has been on my shelf for years and it fits the engine, I just wonder if they were originally sold that way.
Does anyone have any photos that they would share with me? This engine is missing the fuel tank and I need to build a cart for it, so a few photos would be a big help.
It has been quite a while since I restored an engine and I am really looking forward to this project. I hope to make it to Portland or Buckley this year, so I need something to take with me.....
Thanks in advance,
Joe

Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan


      


From george at irontrader.com  Tue Nov 11 19:48:24 2008
From: george at irontrader.com (George Best)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:48:24 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20081111094025.0304f790@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.1.20081111094025.0304f790@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <000501c94479$8459f7b0$8d0de710$@com>

It is a Humboldt-Deutzmoteren AG engine, Type MA608.
Made between 1931 and 1954.
It weighs 85 kilogram.

Yours is a later engine as nbr 464803 is listed as 1937, so I'm just
guessing but would guess early 1950's.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:42 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine

This is the info provided.

Single cylinder 4hp hopper-cooled german stationery engine. (4hp at 2000 
revs per minute) 4 stroke petrol type with 2 flywheels. Exposed valve gear. 
Type MA 608, engine N? 1238748. QX markings on both flywheels.

  http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/unknown.jpg



Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, Ohio 45817
Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
Home #419.358.5206




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From george at irontrader.com  Tue Nov 11 19:50:47 2008
From: george at irontrader.com (George Best)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:50:47 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20081111093805.0304d8a0@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <20081110.115407.984.11.jlb94@juno.com>	<6.2.1.2.1.20081110222543.0304b810@pop3.wcoil.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20081111093805.0304d8a0@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <000601c94479$d90e62a0$8b2b27e0$@com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O14b8h2Szj0

Above is a link to one of these engines being kick started.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:39 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine

Any ideas as to what this engine is?
http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/unknown.jpg



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From lfevans at pacbell.net  Tue Nov 11 19:59:44 2008
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:59:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] United engine questions
In-Reply-To: <554766.93348.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <554766.93348.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20081111195008.03f64d50@pop.att.yahoo.com>

Joe,

I have a type A air cooled 1-3/4 hp engine.  See some pictures here:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/united/index.html

I have higher resolution pictures available and if you want or need them 
contact me off list and I will be glad send them your way.  Also I have 
more than I put on the web page.

I have seen pictures of them with the angle mount magneto.

There seem to be 2 or 3 different mixers used.  As far as I know the one on 
my engine is original to it.  Some have the fuel tank in the base and some 
are external like mine.

Regards,
Larry



At 07:23 PM 11/11/2008, you wrote:
>About a year and a half ago we went on a trip to get some Titan tractor 
>parts in SK. We stopped for the night in Moose Jaw and I found an ad in a 
>local paper for a hit and miss engine. It turned out to be a 1 3/4 hp 
>hopper cooled United type A.
>I have owned a lot of engines, but this is my first United. Since it looks 
>like it is going to be a long, long winter. I want to get it in the shop 
>and restore it. I have several questions and am hoping that the folks on 
>the list can enlighten me.
>First, does anyone have a paint code, preferable Centauri?
>Next, this engine has a mixer on it like an Associated. I have seen a few 
>Uniteds, but they had Lunkenheimer mixers on them. Could the Associated 
>mixer be correct, or is it a later addition?
>Next, were Uniteds available with the same right angle gear drive mag as 
>found on some Associateds? I have a mag that has been on my shelf for 
>years and it fits the engine, I just wonder if they were originally sold 
>that way.
>Does anyone have any photos that they would share with me? This engine is 
>missing the fuel tank and I need to build a cart for it, so a few photos 
>would be a big help.
>It has been quite a while since I restored an engine and I am really 
>looking forward to this project. I hope to make it to Portland or Buckley 
>this year, so I need something to take with me.....
>Thanks in advance,
>Joe
>
>Joe Prindle
>Baraboo, WI USA
>"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike 
>Milligan
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Larry Evans
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Nov 12 04:23:03 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:23:03 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Japanese engine shows
Message-ID: <C956494E0D284503AFB88DE012CC86D1@PETER>

Hi all

Not sure if Bill San has shown you guys these links before of Japanese engine shows, you can spend hours here.
When it gets hot in Australia we hibernate, in the USA they get cabin fever in winter, have a look at this lot in the snow:
http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/2008suisyouM.html

You will get lost in here:
http://jh1ubk.my.coocan.jp/index.html

http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/hatudouki.html

http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/suisyou0210.html


There is no show or glitz at their engine shows, no paint or cleaning, you show as is. Take a look at some of the many videos and look at the smoke from running rich or worn rings.
They wear good clothes and gloves and some of the videos they all have white overalls on.
They place cardboard down to collect the oil, very environmentally friendly ;-)

I correspond with a chap in Japan who owns a 10hp R&V  "R" series Triumph Line engine, as well as a Reid and a nice National and others.
Thank goodness for Google Translator - Japanese to English and visa versa

Have fun or save for a rainy day.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm





From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Nov 12 04:27:57 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:27:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Japanese engine shows
Message-ID: <0C076B8930F84872A0640DD0F1F92C64@PETER>

Hi All
On my previous email.
Some of the video is slow to load so be patient.

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm


From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Wed Nov 12 06:27:02 2008
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:27:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] United engine questions
References: <554766.93348.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002101c944d2$be4a2180$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Joe,  Don't know any answ. to your questions but good to see you back with 
the engine high society.   George
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:23 PM
Subject: [SEL] United engine questions


> About a year and a half ago we went on a trip to get some Titan tractor 
> parts in SK. We stopped for the night in Moose Jaw and I found an ad in a 
> local paper for a hit and miss engine. It turned out to be a 1 3/4 hp 
> hopper cooled United type A.
> I have owned a lot of engines, but this is my first United. Since it looks 
> like it is going to be a long, long winter. I want to get it in the shop 
> and restore it. I have several questions and am hoping that the folks on 
> the list can enlighten me.
> First, does anyone have a paint code, preferable Centauri?
> Next, this engine has a mixer on it like an Associated. I have seen a few 
> Uniteds, but they had Lunkenheimer mixers on them. Could the Associated 
> mixer be correct, or is it a later addition?
> Next, were Uniteds available with the same right angle gear drive mag as 
> found on some Associateds? I have a mag that has been on my shelf for 
> years and it fits the engine, I just wonder if they were originally sold 
> that way.
> Does anyone have any photos that they would share with me? This engine is 
> missing the fuel tank and I need to build a cart for it, so a few photos 
> would be a big help.
> It has been quite a while since I restored an engine and I am really 
> looking forward to this project. I hope to make it to Portland or Buckley 
> this year, so I need something to take with me.....
> Thanks in advance,
> Joe
>
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike 
> Milligan
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 





From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Nov 12 07:41:53 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:41:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Japanese engine shows
In-Reply-To: <C956494E0D284503AFB88DE012CC86D1@PETER>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEAHHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

I think I'm gonna save those links!  Something to do on those long, cold Florida days (below 70 degrees F)!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Peter Lowe
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 06:23 AM
> To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] Japanese engine shows
> 
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Not sure if Bill San has shown you guys these 
> links before of Japanese engine shows, you can 
> spend hours here.
> When it gets hot in Australia we hibernate, in 
> the USA they get cabin fever in winter, have a 
> look at this lot in the snow:
> http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/2008suisyouM.html
> 
> You will get lost in here:
> http://jh1ubk.my.coocan.jp/index.html
> 
> http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/hatudouki.html
> 
> http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/suisyou0210.html 
........................snip......................




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Nov 12 07:00:18 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:00:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
In-Reply-To: <20081111.110709.300.5.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20081111.110709.300.5.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <1226502018.491aef82eef45@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey Joe, Meier's Hdw. ain't just a "hardware store."

Its a HARDWARE STORE.  When Fat Jack ran the place he sat on a stool in the
middle of the store (all 400 pounds of him), surrounded by a pile of cig butts.
 You walked up to Fat Jack and told him what you needed.  On rare occasions he
asked you a clarification question.  He then gave you directions to some nook
or cranny in the store where you would find EXACTLY what you needed.  And I
don't give a rat's ass WHAT you needed.  Meier's had it.  Even including old
dried rat's asses.  (The trap would be thrown in at no extra cost.)

Another equally good old store is Jackson's Hardware on Universal Road in Penn
Hills.  Just ask Jim & Dolly about THAT place!!

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting jlb94 at juno.com:

> Thanks Dave, 
> I'll give them a call.
> I never thought to try hardware stores.
> 
>  Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Nov 12 07:09:43 2008
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:09:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
In-Reply-To: <20081111.110709.300.5.jlb94@juno.com><491A3D79.7090101@mtcityrealty.com>
	<000601c94470$5081ce80$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
References: <20081111.110709.300.5.jlb94@juno.com><491A3D79.7090101@mtcityrealty.com>
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Message-ID: <BAY113-DS68EDDBD7FB1618235966FBB140@phx.gbl>

If the checkvalve is working properly the rubber cup will never touch the 
gas.  Might give this one a try.

Rick




> > Do they have to be leather?  You might be able to get cups from brake
> > cylinders that will fit, but they will be rubber.  There usually
> > available from any napa store by diameter.
>
>
> Styrene butadiene doesnt like  gasolene
> Nor  petroleum products at all .
> Those 3/4" cups will be 1 - 1/2 when you
> finally get them wrenched out of the hole . 



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 12 07:27:06 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:27:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Japanese engine shows
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEAHHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <564880.45896.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I just watched the engine show in the snow video.
It is a long one wirh all the right sounds.
I wanted to be there so bad it hurt.
I need to get out to my engine shed and tear that ignitor apart so 
I can order some new mica.
My Nelsons Brothers built MacLeod with the Webster and ignitor plug 
has it's points just barely touching.
Adding some Mica washers will line them up nice.

Alan in Michigan


--- On Wed, 11/12/08, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:

> From: Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Japanese engine shows
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 10:41 AM
> Peter:
> 
> I think I'm gonna save those links!  Something to do on
> those long, cold Florida days (below 70 degrees F)!
> 
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >  Behalf Of Peter Lowe
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 06:23 AM
> > To: ATIS; Oldengine.org
> > Subject: [SEL] Japanese engine shows
> > 
> > 
> > Hi all
> > 
> > Not sure if Bill San has shown you guys these 
> > links before of Japanese engine shows, you can 
> > spend hours here.
> > When it gets hot in Australia we hibernate, in 
> > the USA they get cabin fever in winter, have a 
> > look at this lot in the snow:
> >
> http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/2008suisyouM.html
> > 
> > You will get lost in here:
> > http://jh1ubk.my.coocan.jp/index.html
> > 
> >
> http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/hatudouki.html
> > 
> >
> http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/suisyou0210.html 
> ........................snip......................
> 
> 
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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 12 07:38:48 2008
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:38:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Japanese engine shows
In-Reply-To: <564880.45896.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEAHHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<564880.45896.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY120-W6B0C99BB5FE6334D22D65C2140@phx.gbl>


Looks like most of their engines are enclosed crankcase engines although I did see a couple american engines and one Superior oilfield engine
 
Guess I never realised that they had engine shows in Japan> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:27:06 -0800> From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Japanese engine shows> > I just watched the engine show in the snow video.> It is a long one wirh all the right sounds.> I wanted to be there so bad it hurt.> I need to get out to my engine shed and tear that ignitor apart so > I can order some new mica.> My Nelsons Brothers built MacLeod with the Webster and ignitor plug > has it's points just barely touching.> Adding some Mica washers will line them up nice.> > Alan in Michigan> > > --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:> > > From: Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Japanese engine shows> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>> > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 10:41 AM> > Peter:> > > > I think I'm gonna save those links! Something to do on> > those long, cold Florida days (below 70 degrees F)!> > > > Take care - Elden> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On> > > Behalf Of Peter Lowe> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 06:23 AM> > > To: ATIS; Oldengine.org> > > Subject: [SEL] Japanese engine shows> > > > > > > > > Hi all> > > > > > Not sure if Bill San has shown you guys these > > > links before of Japanese engine shows, you can > > > spend hours here.> > > When it gets hot in Australia we hibernate, in > > > the USA they get cabin fever in winter, have a > > > look at this lot in the snow:> > >> > http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/2008suisyouM.html> > > > > > You will get lost in here:> > > http://jh1ubk.my.coocan.jp/index.html> > > > > >> > http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/hatudouki.html> > > > > >> > http://www.geocities.jp/jh1ubk/hatudouki/suisyou0210.html > > ........................snip......................> > > > > > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Nov 12 07:45:59 2008
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:45:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Blow Torch Leathers
Message-ID: <20081112.113453.600.3.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Bernie,
There's an idea I haven't thought of.
And - I probably have several of them hiding in the garage somewhere.
Thanks,

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:20:41 -0500 bernie <bernie at mtcityrealty.com>
writes:
> Do they have to be leather?  You might be able to get cups from brake 
> 
> cylinders that will fit, but they will be rubber.  There usually 
> available from any napa store by diameter.
> 
> I do remember seeing the 3/4" leather ones somewhere but for the 
> life of 
> me cant remember where that was.
> 
> Bernie
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 10:42:21 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:42:21 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Wanted: Pair of old Panel Meters for a Searchlight Generator
Message-ID: <6f6025160811121042rf5c9ab8r56bf5bbb8237a66c@mail.gmail.com>

We got the old Petter PU8 genny engine running today, had to change
the magneto as the original had been got at and reassembled with the
timing wrong :-((

It runs OK, lots of smoke and rust out of the silencer on start-up,
but for a 1940's flat twin air-cooled engine, it ran quite well. We
had oiled the bores etc when we had the heads off to free off the
valves, so a bit of smoke was expected.

The dynamo produced 120V and was controllable with the field rheostat,
but the two panel meters are completely shot due to water getting
inside the casings.

So we are looking for a 0-150V Moving Coil DC voltmeter and a 0-50A
Moving Coil DC ammeter, body diameter 3.50" mounting flange 4.25"
(round)

If anyone knows of anything suitable, please give me a shout, good
price paid plus postage.

Peter
-- 
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Nov 12 10:53:33 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:53:33 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1226509202.2962.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081112204540.00c10c60@mail.cyberserv.co.za>


>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark
>Shulaw
>Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:42 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: [SEL] Unknown Engine
>
>This is the info provided.
>
>Single cylinder 4hp hopper-cooled german stationery engine. (4hp at 2000
>
>revs per minute) 4 stroke petrol type with 2 flywheels. Exposed valve
>gear.
>Type MA 608, engine N? 1238748. QX markings on both flywheels.
>
>   http://www2.wcoil.com/~frappi/unknown.jpg
>
>Mark & Christine Shulaw
>454 Co. Rd. 33
>Bluffton, Ohio 45817
>Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
>Home #419.358.5206

Hi Mark,
         I missed your original post on this engine.

         There is a Service manual (31 pages - 1432 Kbytes - .pdf) and a 
parts list (53 pages - 1898 Kbytes - .pdf) on my download page here: (I 
just hope that you can understand German)

<http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/>

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Nov 12 11:44:17 2008
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:44:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Dark green paint
Message-ID: <20081112.114418.1152.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
A couple of weeks ago someone was looking for a dark green paint in a
rattle can that was darker than Hunter Green.  I knew that I had used a
Dark Hunter Green in Rust-oleum, but could not find the can or find it on
the Rust-oleum web site.  Well today I found the can, #7733 Dark Hunter
Green.  I painted a FM with it and it looks good.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Nov 12 15:16:21 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:16:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wanted: Pair of old Panel Meters for a Searchlight
	Generator
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811121042rf5c9ab8r56bf5bbb8237a66c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEAOHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

I most likely had what you need about three or four years ago.  I got rid of several boxes of analog meters of various types.  Sorry.

I think that, during WWII, Weston, Westinghouse and Burlington made the most often used meters.  Unfortunately, they've fallen by the wayside.

I did look on the Web and found that what they call a 3-1/2" meter is actually 3-1/2" at the flange and that's as big as the round ones get.  Here's a Simpson Electric data page for the round meters:
http://www.simpsonelectric.com/uploads/File/datasheets/round_datasheet.pdf

Rectangular meters fit a 2.75" hole in the panel and have a 4.66" front (flange).  These would probably fit the panel with a bit of drilling for the mounting holes.  Here's another data page for the rectangular meters:
http://www.simpsonelectric.com/uploads/File/datasheets/rectangular_datasheet.pdf
Model 29 0-150 DC Volt is a number 07720
Model 29 0-50 DC Amperes is a number 00540

Hoyt made meters of that era.  Here's a sheet with their analog meters.   (Note: Hoyt meters are not connected with the famous Hoyt-Clagwell Tractor Company).
http://www.weschler.com/_upload/catalog/69e.pdf

Here's a listing of old meters.  Didn't have the patience to go through it:
http://www.oldradioparts.com/2a20fl.txt

There are some Chinese analog meters that may fit the panel but they have Chinese characters as well as European so wouldn't look right in the vintage stuff.

Good luck!

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:42 PM
> To: Stationary-Engine
> Cc: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Wanted: Pair of old Panel Meters 
> for a Searchlight
> Generator
> 
> 
> We got the old Petter PU8 genny engine running 
> today, had to change
> the magneto as the original had been got at and 
> reassembled with the
> timing wrong :-((
> 
> It runs OK, lots of smoke and rust out of the 
> silencer on start-up,
> but for a 1940's flat twin air-cooled engine, it 
> ran quite well. We
> had oiled the bores etc when we had the heads off 
> to free off the
> valves, so a bit of smoke was expected.
> 
> The dynamo produced 120V and was controllable 
> with the field rheostat,
> but the two panel meters are completely shot due 
> to water getting
> inside the casings.
> 
> So we are looking for a 0-150V Moving Coil DC 
> voltmeter and a 0-50A
> Moving Coil DC ammeter, body diameter 3.50" 
> mounting flange 4.25"
> (round)
> 
> If anyone knows of anything suitable, please give 
> me a shout, good
> price paid plus postage.
> 
> Peter




From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Wed Nov 12 16:12:29 2008
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:12:29 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Patina on brass
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.1.20081110191533.03047d90@pop3.wcoil.com>
References: <20081110213300.6B8D44C8E00@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
	<6.2.1.2.1.20081110191533.03047d90@pop3.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <E11E45C3B8EB41B78EF671503689D068@JackPC>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Patina on brass

Hi Mark
Just park it overnight near my 1926 Clyno - By the time I had finished 
polishing the brassware on her last Saturday in preparation for a Display 
Day on Sunday, the first item I'd polished already had that patina.

JW?
=== 




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Nov 12 17:19:50 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:19:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Japanese engine shows now mica washers
References: <564880.45896.qm@web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <22AD9E9A7CF246CF9AF6A8E67AEB7147@PETER>

Hi Alan

While I was in South Dakota in 2003, there were large deposits of mica just 
sitting on the ground.
I placed some in my camera bag and got past customs in Australia. I made new 
washers for my Wizard Mag from real live Yankee mica.
Worked a treat.

Peter, Oz




>I just watched the engine show in the snow video.
> It is a long one wirh all the right sounds.
> I wanted to be there so bad it hurt.
> I need to get out to my engine shed and tear that ignitor apart so
> I can order some new mica.
> My Nelsons Brothers built MacLeod with the Webster and ignitor plug
> has it's points just barely touching.
> Adding some Mica washers will line them up nice.
>
> Alan in Michigan
tinfo/sel 



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Nov 12 17:46:43 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:46:43 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fm serial #
Message-ID: <20081113014642.AABF465B44F@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi, I know this is repetitious, but who maintains the pre 1910 Fairbanks
Morse serial # list ? Is it Dennis R. up in Ca?I'd like to pass it on to a
guy that would like to date an 5 digit "T".Thanks in advance,Jimmy

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Nov 12 18:15:45 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:15:45 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fm serial #
In-Reply-To: <20081113014642.AABF465B44F@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20081113014642.AABF465B44F@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <2104076E-F3F2-420E-A64B-D93EBE89FE1E@rustyiron.com>


On Nov 12, 2008, at 5:46 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:

> Hi, I know this is repetitious, but who maintains the pre 1910  
> Fairbanks
> Morse serial # list ? Is it Dennis R. up in Ca?I'd like to pass it  
> on to a
> guy that would like to date an 5 digit "T".Thanks in advance,Jimmy
>

Denis Rouleau
denis.rouleau at videotron.ca












From lfevans at pacbell.net  Wed Nov 12 18:23:55 2008
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:23:55 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fm serial #
In-Reply-To: <20081113014642.AABF465B44F@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20081113014642.AABF465B44F@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20081112182153.031f3138@pop.att.yahoo.com>

Jim,

You're right, it is Denis Rouleau that did a bunch of research on pre 1911 
Fairbanks Morse engine dates.  See his results at:
http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/fairbanks/page110.html

Larry Evans

At 05:46 PM 11/12/2008, you wrote:
>Hi, I know this is repetitious, but who maintains the pre 1910 Fairbanks
>Morse serial # list ? Is it Dennis R. up in Ca?I'd like to pass it on to a
>guy that would like to date an 5 digit "T".Thanks in advance,Jimmy
>
>
>
>Jim O'Hagan
>
>
>
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http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Nov 12 18:52:18 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:52:18 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks #'s
Message-ID: <20081113025221.3E0E5444839@in04.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Thanks again for your help. It will make his day. Jimmy

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 12 19:55:23 2008
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:55:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] United engine questions
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20081111195008.03f64d50@pop.att.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <644434.18595.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the reply and the photos, Larry. The mixer on your engine is identical to mine, including the valve for priming. I had feared that it was a "non-oem" modification.
My ignitor has the earlier style trip finger on it, and I guess I will install the magneto. I always liked the looks of those mags.
I am interested in your fuel tank. Do you think it is original, and could you give me the dimensions for it? 
Sometimes when I see old repairs, like the one on your governor detent, it really makes me wonder just how they managed to break it like that. I have a little Gilson air cooled that is busted up worse than your United. Mine even has cracks in both flywheel hubs where they drove the keys in too hard. I hope to start fixing it up when I get done with the United.
Thanks again,
Joe
Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan


--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Larry Evans <lfevans at pacbell.net> wrote:

> From: Larry Evans <lfevans at pacbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] United engine questions
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 9:59 PM
> Joe,
> 
> I have a type A air cooled 1-3/4 hp engine.  See some
> pictures here:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/united/index.html
> 
> I have higher resolution pictures available and if you want
> or need them 
> contact me off list and I will be glad send them your way. 
> Also I have 
> more than I put on the web page.
> 
> I have seen pictures of them with the angle mount magneto.
> 
> There seem to be 2 or 3 different mixers used.  As far as I
> know the one on 
> my engine is original to it.  Some have the fuel tank in
> the base and some 
> are external like mine.
> 
> Regards,
> Larry



      


From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 12 19:59:10 2008
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:59:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] United engine questions
In-Reply-To: <002101c944d2$be4a2180$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>
Message-ID: <810288.34292.qm@web31506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the kind words, George. I have been reading the list for a long time, but rarely take the time to post since the posts are usually old and someone else has already said it better than I could, or at least briefer.....
And this IS where a lot of the high society of the engine world hangs out. The best part of the list is the links that people post to things that they have seen or done.
How are you folks coming on your Fairbanks project?
Thanks,
Joe
Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan


--- On Wed, 11/12/08, armstrong <gnarmstrong at netnitco.net> wrote:

> From: armstrong <gnarmstrong at netnitco.net>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] United engine questions
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 8:27 AM
> Joe,  Don't know any answ. to your questions but good to
> see you back with 
> the engine high society.   George
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Prindle"
> <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:23 PM
> Subject: [SEL] United engine questions
> 
> 
> > About a year and a half ago we went on a trip to get
> some Titan tractor 
> > parts in SK. We stopped for the night in Moose Jaw and
> I found an ad in a 
> > local paper for a hit and miss engine. It turned out
> to be a 1 3/4 hp 
> > hopper cooled United type A.
> > I have owned a lot of engines, but this is my first
> United. Since it looks 
> > like it is going to be a long, long winter. I want to
> get it in the shop 
> > and restore it. I have several questions and am hoping
> that the folks on 
> > the list can enlighten me.
> > First, does anyone have a paint code, preferable
> Centauri?
> > Next, this engine has a mixer on it like an
> Associated. I have seen a few 
> > Uniteds, but they had Lunkenheimer mixers on them.
> Could the Associated 
> > mixer be correct, or is it a later addition?
> > Next, were Uniteds available with the same right angle
> gear drive mag as 
> > found on some Associateds? I have a mag that has been
> on my shelf for 
> > years and it fits the engine, I just wonder if they
> were originally sold 
> > that way.
> > Does anyone have any photos that they would share with
> me? This engine is 
> > missing the fuel tank and I need to build a cart for
> it, so a few photos 
> > would be a big help.
> > It has been quite a while since I restored an engine
> and I am really 
> > looking forward to this project. I hope to make it to
> Portland or Buckley 
> > this year, so I need something to take with me.....
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Joe
> >
> > Joe Prindle
> > Baraboo, WI USA
> > "All I ask is the chance to prove that money
> can't make me happy." Spike 
> > Milligan
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Nov 12 20:01:46 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:01:46 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Wanted: Pair of old Panel Meters for a
	SearchlightGenerator
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEAOHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <E7727AF1B13C4FE19B22A05E3328F64A@PETER>

Hi Elden

They turn up on Ebay from time to time:
Type in "Old Panel Meters", "old volt meters", "old ammeters."  etc
http://cgi.ebay.com/4-OLD-VINTAGE-PANEL-METERS-VERY-ODD-ONES-TESTED_W0QQitemZ400005129707QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item400005129707&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-Weston-Volts-D-C-Meter-Model-301_W0QQitemZ370112389598QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item370112389598&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-Simpson-Electric-Volt-Alternating-Current-Meter_W0QQitemZ180306215370QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item180306215370&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



> Peter:
>
> I most likely had what you need about three or four years ago.  I got rid 
> of several boxes of analog meters of various types.  Sorry.
>
> I think that, during WWII, Weston, Westinghouse and Burlington made the 
> most often used meters.  Unfortunately, they've fallen by the wayside.
>
> I did look on the Web and found that what they call a 3-1/2" meter is 
> actually 3-1/2" at the flange and that's as big as the round ones get. 
> Here's a Simpson Electric data page for the round meters:
> http://www.simpsonelectric.com/uploads/File/datasheets/round_datasheet.pdf
>
> Rectangular meters fit a 2.75" hole in the panel and have a 4.66" front 
> (flange).  These would probably fit the panel with a bit of drilling for 
> the mounting holes.  Here's another data page for the rectangular meters:
> http://www.simpsonelectric.com/uploads/File/datasheets/rectangular_datasheet.pdf
> Model 29 0-150 DC Volt is a number 07720
> Model 29 0-50 DC Amperes is a number 00540
>
> Hoyt made meters of that era.  Here's a sheet with their analog meters. 
> (Note: Hoyt meters are not connected with the famous Hoyt-Clagwell Tractor 
> Company).
> http://www.weschler.com/_upload/catalog/69e.pdf
>
> Here's a listing of old meters.  Didn't have the patience to go through 
> it:
> http://www.oldradioparts.com/2a20fl.txt
>
> There are some Chinese analog meters that may fit the panel but they have 
> Chinese characters as well as European so wouldn't look right in the 
> vintage stuff.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Take care - Elden
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>  Behalf Of
>> Listerdiesel
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:42 PM
>> To: Stationary-Engine
>> Cc: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] Wanted: Pair of old Panel Meters
>> for a Searchlight
>> Generator
>>
>>
>> We got the old Petter PU8 genny engine running
>> today, had to change
>> the magneto as the original had been got at and
>> reassembled with the
>> timing wrong :-((
>>
>> It runs OK, lots of smoke and rust out of the
>> silencer on start-up,
>> but for a 1940's flat twin air-cooled engine, it
>> ran quite well. We
>> had oiled the bores etc when we had the heads off
>> to free off the
>> valves, so a bit of smoke was expected.
>>
>> The dynamo produced 120V and was controllable
>> with the field rheostat,
>> but the two panel meters are completely shot due
>> to water getting
>> inside the casings.
>>
>> So we are looking for a 0-150V Moving Coil DC
>> voltmeter and a 0-50A
>> Moving Coil DC ammeter, body diameter 3.50"
>> mounting flange 4.25"
>> (round)
>>
>> If anyone knows of anything suitable, please give
>> me a shout, good
>> price paid plus postage.
>>
>> Peter
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Nov 12 21:31:37 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:31:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] United engine questions
In-Reply-To: <554766.93348.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <554766.93348.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1226554297.491bbbb97d2ab@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Joe,

I think "United" was a marketing brand for Associated engines.
You really need to get a copy of "AMANCO ENGINES The Story of Associated
Manufacturers' Company Ltd." by David Edgington.  It's an excellent reference
for the Associated / United engine owner.
http://www.stationaryenginebooks.co.uk/amanco.htm

Send me your snail off list and I'll copy some interesting old United literature
that may be useful to you.  There's also a bloke who's doing a United engine
register.  I don't know if he's still on the list.  I have his contact info at
home.

I've got a 3-1/2 hp United Type A throttle-governed kero burner.  It's still in
the "project" category.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Joe Prindle <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>:

> About a year and a half ago we went on a trip to get some Titan tractor parts
> in SK. We stopped for the night in Moose Jaw and I found an ad in a local
> paper for a hit and miss engine. It turned out to be a 1 3/4 hp hopper cooled
> United type A. 
> I have owned a lot of engines, but this is my first United. Since it looks
> like it is going to be a long, long winter. I want to get it in the shop and
> restore it. I have several questions and am hoping that the folks on the list
> can enlighten me.
> First, does anyone have a paint code, preferable Centauri?
> Next, this engine has a mixer on it like an Associated. I have seen a few
> Uniteds, but they had Lunkenheimer mixers on them. Could the Associated mixer
> be correct, or is it a later addition?
> Next, were Uniteds available with the same right angle gear drive mag as
> found on some Associateds? I have a mag that has been on my shelf for years
> and it fits the engine, I just wonder if they were originally sold that way.
> Does anyone have any photos that they would share with me? This engine is
> missing the fuel tank and I need to build a cart for it, so a few photos
> would be a big help.
> It has been quite a while since I restored an engine and I am really looking
> forward to this project. I hope to make it to Portland or Buckley this year,
> so I need something to take with me.....




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Nov 13 05:18:45 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:18:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
In-Reply-To: <200811121320.mACDKlcf001170@bnb.blue.net>
Message-ID: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>

Folks, to keep this on topic of old iron, I'll first tell you that the
location I'm going to mention is where we have held engine shows in the
past (many years ago).  The property is now in the hands of the National
Park Service.  It's in line to receive funding from Hampton Inns for
restoration.  If you could take the time to click on the link and place
a vote for the Lincoln Knob Creek Cabin (the first "Landmark" listed) I
would appreciate it.  Thanks!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


http://www.hamptonlandmarks.com/VoteLandMarkResults.aspx?state=17&staten
ame=
Kentucky




From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Thu Nov 13 05:47:49 2008
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (armstrong)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:47:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
References: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <001801c94596$6e0e6d60$2f01a8c0@YOUR072EF38DA5>

Done
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:18 AM
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)


> Folks, to keep this on topic of old iron, I'll first tell you that the
> location I'm going to mention is where we have held engine shows in the
> past (many years ago).  The property is now in the hands of the National
> Park Service.  It's in line to receive funding from Hampton Inns for
> restoration.  If you could take the time to click on the link and place
> a vote for the Lincoln Knob Creek Cabin (the first "Landmark" listed) I
> would appreciate it.  Thanks!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> http://www.hamptonlandmarks.com/VoteLandMarkResults.aspx?state=17&staten
> ame=
> Kentucky
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
>




From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Nov 13 06:57:19 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:57:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Wanted: Pair of old Panel Meters for aSearchlightGenerator
In-Reply-To: <E7727AF1B13C4FE19B22A05E3328F64A@PETER>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEBJHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter from OZ (So as to differentiate between you and the Limey Peter):

I think the problem with replacing the meters on the searchlight generator is that the meters on the generator are actually 4-1/4" in diameter at the face flange.

> So we are looking for a 0-150V Moving Coil DC 
> voltmeter and a 0-50A
> Moving Coil DC ammeter, body diameter 3.50" 
> mounting flange 4.25"
> (round)

That 4-1/4" dimension is going to be the hard one to match.

If Limey Pete can let us know the brand of the meters, maybe a better search can be mounted.

If the old meters still look good (face printing intact), I think there are outfits that restore D'arvsonval meters.  In fact, I've repaired a couple of meters that had bad coils by swapping the guts from an electrically identical meter, even removing the pointer from the old meter and cementing it on the new movement.  Some tweaking of the face plate mounting holes and re-balancing had to be done to keep the meter zero constant regardless of positioning but they worked fine.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Peter Lowe
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:02 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Wanted: Pair of old Panel Meters for
> aSearchlightGenerator
> 
> 
> Hi Elden
> 
> They turn up on Ebay from time to time:
> Type in "Old Panel Meters", "old volt meters", 
> "old ammeters."  etc
> http://cgi.ebay.com/4-OLD-VINTAGE-PANEL-METERS-VER
> Y-ODD-ONES-TESTED_W0QQitemZ400005129707QQcmdZViewI
> temQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item400005129707&_
> trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7
> C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-Weston-Volts-D-C-Meter-Mod
> el-301_W0QQitemZ370112389598QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_
> DefaultDomain_0?hash=item370112389598&_trksid=p328
> 6.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C
> 39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-Simpson-Electric-Volt-Alte
> rnating-Current-Meter_W0QQitemZ180306215370QQcmdZV
> iewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1803062153
> 70&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3
> A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
> 
> Regards
> Peter Lowe
> R&V Engine Registrar
> Australia
> Ph: 61-266453455
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/
> rvpage.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/
> rv-register.htm




From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 13 06:05:36 2008
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:05:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
In-Reply-To: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <003501c94598$ea1c0460$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>

You got it Tommy 

Lew near Waco, TX

-----Original Message-----
 Folks, to keep this on topic of old iron, I'll first tell you that the
location I'm going to mention is where we have held engine shows in the
past (many years ago).  The property is now in the hands of the National
Park Service.  It's in line to receive funding from Hampton Inns for
restoration.  If you could take the time to click on the link and place
a vote for the Lincoln Knob Creek Cabin (the first "Landmark" listed) I
would appreciate it.  Thanks!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


http://www.hamptonlandmarks.com/VoteLandMarkResults.aspx?state=17&staten
ame=
Kentucky






From wayne at lorenssanitation.com  Thu Nov 13 07:43:44 2008
From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:43:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
In-Reply-To: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <200811121320.mACDKlcf001170@bnb.blue.net>
	<E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <72E9097533254324A1C526BD071066AA@Waynexp>

Tommy,

I feel like I'm stuffing the ballot box.......hope my vote puts you over the
top!

Wayne A Thackery
Keizer, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Turner
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:19 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)

Folks, to keep this on topic of old iron, I'll first tell you that the
location I'm going to mention is where we have held engine shows in the
past (many years ago).  The property is now in the hands of the National
Park Service.  It's in line to receive funding from Hampton Inns for
restoration.  If you could take the time to click on the link and place
a vote for the Lincoln Knob Creek Cabin (the first "Landmark" listed) I
would appreciate it.  Thanks!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


http://www.hamptonlandmarks.com/VoteLandMarkResults.aspx?state=17&staten
ame=
Kentucky


_______________________________________________
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From lfevans at pacbell.net  Thu Nov 13 09:18:44 2008
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:18:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] United engine questions
In-Reply-To: <644434.18595.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <6.0.1.1.2.20081111195008.03f64d50@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<644434.18595.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20081113090905.03b52ec0@pop.att.yahoo.com>

Joe,

I'll get back to you with size information about the fuel tank.  As far as 
I know it was the original tank.  Since it was rather crudely drilled and 
tapped at first I thought the priming valve was an owner modification but 
now I am convinced that it is original due to the number of pictures I have 
seen, all with identical design valves.

Regards,
Larry

At 07:55 PM 11/12/2008, you wrote:
>Thanks for the reply and the photos, Larry. The mixer on your engine is 
>identical to mine, including the valve for priming. I had feared that it 
>was a "non-oem" modification.
>My ignitor has the earlier style trip finger on it, and I guess I will 
>install the magneto. I always liked the looks of those mags.
>I am interested in your fuel tank. Do you think it is original, and could 
>you give me the dimensions for it?
>Sometimes when I see old repairs, like the one on your governor detent, it 
>really makes me wonder just how they managed to break it like that. I have 
>a little Gilson air cooled that is busted up worse than your United. Mine 
>even has cracks in both flywheel hubs where they drove the keys in too 
>hard. I hope to start fixing it up when I get done with the United.
>Thanks again,
>Joe
>Joe Prindle
>Baraboo, WI USA
>"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike 
>Milligan
>
>_______________________________________________
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Larry Evans
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Nov 13 12:52:49 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:52:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
References: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <6F5C3FEEA00746058328ACA26F611ECA@PETER>

I just placed 50 votes, no time right now to do any more.

Peter, Oz


> Folks, to keep this on topic of old iron, I'll first tell you that the
> location I'm going to mention is where we have held engine shows in the
> past (many years ago).  The property is now in the hands of the National
> Park Service.  It's in line to receive funding from Hampton Inns for
> restoration.  If you could take the time to click on the link and place
> a vote for the Lincoln Knob Creek Cabin (the first "Landmark" listed) I
> would appreciate it.  Thanks!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> http://www.hamptonlandmarks.com/VoteLandMarkResults.aspx?state=17&staten
> ame=
> Kentucky
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Nov 13 13:37:20 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:37:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
In-Reply-To: <6F5C3FEEA00746058328ACA26F611ECA@PETER>
References: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<6F5C3FEEA00746058328ACA26F611ECA@PETER>
Message-ID: <2F3B433B-B97C-4FB5-B023-4F95C33526B1@alltel.net>

I, also, noticed that you could vote more than once. This must be a  
Democrat/Acorn sort of registration!
	Dave
PS, Leave it to Tommy!


--------
David Rotigel
rotigel at alltel.net



On Nov 13, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Peter Lowe wrote:

> I just placed 50 votes, no time right now to do any more.
>
> Peter, Oz
>
>
>> Folks, to keep this on topic of old iron, I'll first tell you that  
>> the
>> location I'm going to mention is where we have held engine shows in  
>> the
>> past (many years ago).  The property is now in the hands of the  
>> National
>> Park Service.  It's in line to receive funding from Hampton Inns for
>> restoration.  If you could take the time to click on the link and  
>> place
>> a vote for the Lincoln Knob Creek Cabin (the first "Landmark"  
>> listed) I
>> would appreciate it.  Thanks!
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>> http://www.hamptonlandmarks.com/VoteLandMarkResults.aspx?state=17&staten
>> ame=
>> Kentucky
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Nov 13 13:43:17 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:43:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
In-Reply-To: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <1226612597.491c9f75af4f8@webmail.city-net.com>

Hmmmmm, no voting choices for those pretenders from the Carolina's...

I guess they finally stopped trying to hijack Lincoln from the great state of
Kentucky.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:

> If you could take the time to click on the link and place
> a vote for the Lincoln Knob Creek Cabin (the first "Landmark" listed) I
> would appreciate it.  Thanks!
> 
>
http://www.hamptonlandmarks.com/VoteLandMarkResults.aspx?state=17&statename=Kentucky




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 13:45:39 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:45:39 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Wanted: Pair of old Panel Meters for aSearchlightGenerator
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEBJHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <E7727AF1B13C4FE19B22A05E3328F64A@PETER>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEBJHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811131345r5321652ey86b1e96eed97c19c@mail.gmail.com>



On 13/11/2008, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Peter from OZ (So as to differentiate between you and the Limey Peter):

Elden & Pete & others:

We have had an enormous amount of feedback from folks, not just on the engine lists but from other sources that we have asked, in the UK and overseas.

The control panel is here:

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/PetterData/PU817.htm
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/PetterData/PU811.htm

The whole menu page for the PU8 genny is here:

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/PetterData/PetterPU8Menu1.htm

The water that got into the meters was above the level of both movements, and the aluminium parts of one, including the actual meter needle has corroded away. The ammeter is slightly better, but only just. We may be able to clean it in an untrasonic cleaner, but my feeling is that it is going to be scrap. We have salvaged both cases, glasses and scales, although the scales will need refurbishing or scanning and then repainting/reprinting.

Yes, we would love to be able to keep it looking original, so we are not going to fit a pair of DIN meters! but practicalities mean that we have to accept a little bit og a change if we are to get it running with all metering working.

We have had two very good offers, one from the USA and one from the UK. We have replied to both and will wait and see what turns up. All costs would be met in any case, but it's more a problem of finding something than paying for it!

The rest of the gear is pretty bullet-proof, all big heavy switches and controls. The greasers for the dynamo bearings were clean as a whistle with no signs of any grease, so we have filled them twice and screwed down to get the grease through the bearings.

The fuel pipes are rotten under the braided exterior and the oil pressure indicator button leaks oil, but it runs and most of the issues are relatively minor. Modern materials like PTFE for the fuel tap seals and neoprene for fuel hoses make life a LOT easier! 
 
More soon,

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 13:48:01 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:48:01 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
In-Reply-To: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
References: <200811121320.mACDKlcf001170@bnb.blue.net>
	<E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811131348k49de12dcm6225878586d55995@mail.gmail.com>

On 13/11/2008, Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:

All done, Tommy.

My first vote in the USA!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Nov 13 14:11:15 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:11:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811131348k49de12dcm6225878586d55995@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200811121320.mACDKlcf001170@bnb.blue.net>
	<E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<6f6025160811131348k49de12dcm6225878586d55995@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C0173962-247A-47DB-B908-A664574A7DD1@alltel.net>


> On 13/11/2008, Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:
> All done, Tommy.
> My first vote in the USA!
> Peter

Peter, Did Acorn register you?
	Dave


From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Nov 13 14:13:23 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:13:23 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Walking beam Alamo
Message-ID: <20081113221322.851AD65B445@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

I have a chance to buy ,what we be leave to be an old Alamo engine..I'll get
some measurements so we can determine the HP. `'It looks like the one on
page 16 in the Wendle A.G.E. book[lower right corner]. If some one had any
pictures or paper on those engines I would love a copy. It's a "Bones"
engine missing a bunch, but more complete than some others that I have seen
saved. It has  a crescent shaped weight that pivots on a bolt in one of the
spokes of the flywheel that acts as the govnr. ,No bolt hub on flywheel,
walking beam rocker arm,  valve chest cast to side of head, intake on top,
exhaust under the chest, both missing. The missing ignitor bolts
horizontally to the same chest.I don't have a scanner, but will try to take
a digital picture of the one photograph that I have and pass it on if some
one would like a picture.   Thank you, Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Nov 13 14:22:24 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:22:24 +0200
Subject: [SEL] "Vincent Industrial Power" Engine.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081113222224.00c46a58@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         I've been a bit quiet on the lists laltely. I hope you are all well.

          I went on an engine hunt 3 weeks ago with a few friends. We 
brought some nice stuff back (webpage will follow one of these days!).

         The one I want to discuss does not fall under the "nice stuff 
category" for these 2 lists anyway. It is not a "hit 'n miss" engine - it 
is not even a very old engine (1955) but I'd like to discuss it.

         I got (amongst others) a small "Vincent Industrial Power" engine 
and after a little work on the carburettor it is now running. Research on 
the net has provided the following information:

         1) Produced by the same company that made the "VINCENT" 
motorcycles. Anyone interested in motorcycles will respect this very 
revered name.
         2)  This "engine" was made in 1955 and there are not many 
survivors (to my knowledge) ! It was produced by the Vincent company when 
they realised that they were in financial difficulties as a "possible" 
"broadening of the base" to try to save the company.
         3) it is a very small (I think mine is 70 cc's) 2 stroke engine 
and it makes a lot more noise than a Maytag and it smokes a lot as well but 
I'll probably be able to control this once I learn more about it.
         4) It was produced as a "power unit" for lawnmowers, compressors, 
gensets or anything else needing a small "power plant".

         I'd like to share some thoughts on this engine but would like to 
first apologise to our British friends on these lists, as, what I have to 
say, may not be to their liking.

         My comments:
         a) Thank goodness that the Japanese (Honda, Suzuki et al) did not 
copy this engine.
         b) I'm so glad that I never bought a machine (lawnmower or 
sumsuchlike) that was powered by one of these.
         c) It's just like a "British Motor bike" - very temperamental 
(maybe that is why we loved them - oil leaks and all). I owned a 650cc 
Triumph Thunderbird. (approx 1964). I could start mine "first kick" but 
could never start my mates bike and he could never start mine. They were 
each individual and you had to know "just where" to hold the throttle and 
"just where" to have the kick start pedal and just how much to "tickle" the 
carburettor. Magic, they were !!

         d) I'm learning how to start the "Vincent" but it does not behave 
the same way each time! Not like a modern (Japanese) two stroke - open the 
fuel and pull the cord!. No, the "Vincent" is typical of the old British 
bikes - you gotta know "just" how to do it. I've started it every night for 
about the last 7 days and each time I've battled to find it's "happy 
medium". Great is it not! - isn't that what this damn hobby (sickness) is 
all about?

         e) I do love this little engine if only because of it's historical 
significance (I put it down to "one of those that never made the grade"). 
It is a badly designed, "horrible","noisy", "smoky" little engine, designed 
in a hurry with no thought given to (later) maintenance, but, they are all 
important because they were all part of the evolution of the modern "small 
engine".

         That's my "bit". Sorry that it was not about something really 
glamorous but it does have a "spark plug'
and it does work on the "internal combustion principle".

         ( I also know that there are other "lists" and "forums" more 
concerned with this type of engine - but I do not belong to any of them - 
so you guys are "it".)









Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Nov 13 14:40:48 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:40:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Walking beam Alamo
In-Reply-To: <20081113221322.851AD65B445@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20081113221322.851AD65B445@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <21A0644B-F073-4ACE-AB3B-56DA8C320E0A@rustyiron.com>


On Nov 13, 2008, at 2:13 PM, Jim O'Hagan wrote:

> I have a chance to buy ,what we be leave to be an old Alamo  
> engine..I'll get
> some measurements so we can determine the HP. `'It looks like the  
> one on
> page 16 in the Wendle A.G.E. book[lower right corner]. If some one  
> had any
> pictures or paper on those engines I would love a copy. It's a "Bones"
> engine missing a bunch, but more complete than some others that I  
> have seen
> saved. It has  a crescent shaped weight that pivots on a bolt in one  
> of the
> spokes of the flywheel that acts as the govnr. ,No bolt hub on  
> flywheel,
> walking beam rocker arm,  valve chest cast to side of head, intake  
> on top,
> exhaust under the chest, both missing. The missing ignitor bolts
> horizontally to the same chest.I don't have a scanner, but will try  
> to take
> a digital picture of the one photograph that I have and pass it on  
> if some
> one would like a picture.   Thank you, Jimmy O'Hagan,415 892 0236
>

Take a look at the Holland's Alamo:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Alamo/Thumbnails.html










From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Nov 13 14:43:41 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:43:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
References: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<6F5C3FEEA00746058328ACA26F611ECA@PETER>
Message-ID: <CC303FC688C34F859E1CA78774364FC4@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Thanks Peter and all who have voted and helped!

Tommy Turner



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)


>I just placed 50 votes, no time right now to do any more.
>
> Peter, Oz
>
>
>> Folks, to keep this on topic of old iron, I'll first tell you that the
>> location I'm going to mention is where we have held engine shows in the
>> past (many years ago).  The property is now in the hands of the National
>> Park Service.  It's in line to receive funding from Hampton Inns for
>> restoration.  If you could take the time to click on the link and place
>> a vote for the Lincoln Knob Creek Cabin (the first "Landmark" listed) I
>> would appreciate it.  Thanks!
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>> http://www.hamptonlandmarks.com/VoteLandMarkResults.aspx?state=17&staten
>> ame=
>> Kentucky
>>
>>
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Nov 13 14:51:10 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:51:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
References: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco><6F5C3FEEA00746058328ACA26F611ECA@PETER>
	<2F3B433B-B97C-4FB5-B023-4F95C33526B1@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <5F14669553554F6FA6E607339CAA324F@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Dave,
    Thats how we do it in KY!

Tommy Turner



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)


> I, also, noticed that you could vote more than once. This must be a
> Democrat/Acorn sort of registration!
> Dave
> PS, Leave it to Tommy!
>
>
> --------
> David Rotigel
> rotigel at alltel.net
>
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Peter Lowe wrote:
>
>> I just placed 50 votes, no time right now to do any more.
>>
>> Peter, Oz
>>
>>
>>> Folks, to keep this on topic of old iron, I'll first tell you that
>>> the
>>> location I'm going to mention is where we have held engine shows in
>>> the
>>> past (many years ago).  The property is now in the hands of the
>>> National
>>> Park Service.  It's in line to receive funding from Hampton Inns for
>>> restoration.  If you could take the time to click on the link and
>>> place
>>> a vote for the Lincoln Knob Creek Cabin (the first "Landmark"
>>> listed) I
>>> would appreciate it.  Thanks!
>>>
>>> Tommy Turner
>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.hamptonlandmarks.com/VoteLandMarkResults.aspx?state=17&staten
>>> ame=
>>> Kentucky
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Nov 13 15:04:31 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:04:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
References: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<1226612597.491c9f75af4f8@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <B59D7148CF7E4383807F3869A9770768@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Arnie,
    Yes, pretenders is right!  The truth is now known!

Tommy Turner



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)


> Hmmmmm, no voting choices for those pretenders from the Carolina's...
>
> I guess they finally stopped trying to hijack Lincoln from the great state 
> of
> Kentucky.  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Quoting Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:
>
>> If you could take the time to click on the link and place
>> a vote for the Lincoln Knob Creek Cabin (the first "Landmark" listed) I
>> would appreciate it.  Thanks!
>>
>>
> http://www.hamptonlandmarks.com/VoteLandMarkResults.aspx?state=17&statename=Kentucky
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 15:22:03 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:22:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Walking beam Alamo
In-Reply-To: <21A0644B-F073-4ACE-AB3B-56DA8C320E0A@rustyiron.com>
References: <20081113221322.851AD65B445@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
	<21A0644B-F073-4ACE-AB3B-56DA8C320E0A@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811131522x134be8b9p5fb1001a8b4fe76e@mail.gmail.com>

On 13/11/2008, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:
>

> Take a look at the Holland's Alamo:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Alamo/Thumbnails.html

More here, taken at Portland this year (still haven't done the captions, Curt!)

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland08/Portland08276.htm

through

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Portland08/Portland08282.htm

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Nov 13 16:36:12 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:36:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Walking beam Alamo
In-Reply-To: <21A0644B-F073-4ACE-AB3B-56DA8C320E0A@rustyiron.com>
References: <20081113221322.851AD65B445@in02.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
	<21A0644B-F073-4ACE-AB3B-56DA8C320E0A@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <1226622972.491cc7fcc56df@webmail.city-net.com>

> Take a look at the Holland's Alamo:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Alamo/Thumbnails.html

And Jim?  She runs as beautifully as she looks!!  A real head-turner at every
show she attends.

I'm looking forward to the pics of yours.

See ya,  Arnie




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 13 17:30:04 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:30:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
In-Reply-To: <CC303FC688C34F859E1CA78774364FC4@tommydk7hxjr4h>
References: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco>
	<6F5C3FEEA00746058328ACA26F611ECA@PETER> 
	<CC303FC688C34F859E1CA78774364FC4@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <COL112-W379E29C409D1393C3CC32995160@phx.gbl>


Tommy, I  can't find where to vote for the Abraham Enloe Cabin,  Help!! Steve> From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:43:41 -0500> Subject: Re: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)> > Thanks Peter and all who have voted and helped!> > Tommy Turner> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:52 PM> Subject: Re: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)> > > >I just placed 50 votes, no time right now to do any more.> >> > Peter, Oz> >> >> >> Folks, to keep this on topic of old iron, I'll first tell you that the> >> location I'm going to mention is where we have held engine shows in the> >> past (many years ago). The property is now in the hands of the National> >> Park Service. It's in line to receive funding from Hampton Inns for> >> restoration. If you could take the time to click on the link and place> >> a vote for the Lincoln Knob Creek Cabin (the first "Landmark" listed) I> >> would appreciate it. Thanks!> >>> >> Tommy Turner> >> Magnolia, KY> >>> >>> >> http://www.hamptonlandmarks.com/VoteLandMarkResults.aspx?state=17&staten> >> ame=> >> Kentucky> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________> >> SEL mailing list> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1784 - Release Date: 11/12/2008 > 7:01 PM> > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Nov 13 17:53:34 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:53:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
References: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco><6F5C3FEEA00746058328ACA26F611ECA@PETER>
	<CC303FC688C34F859E1CA78774364FC4@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<COL112-W379E29C409D1393C3CC32995160@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CDB4663A197F4E9E8777F1A10B7BEC67@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Steve, its like the rest of that story..... a myth....

Tommy


> Tommy, I  can't find where to vote for the Abraham Enloe Cabin,  Help!! 
> Steve 



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 17:56:59 2008
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:56:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)
References: <E91C4FF5F98C406E85285F426A12E373@tommyd0x52gkco><6F5C3FEEA00746058328ACA26F611ECA@PETER>
	<CC303FC688C34F859E1CA78774364FC4@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<COL112-W379E29C409D1393C3CC32995160@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001001c945fc$48180a60$24634b47@mikecomp>

Why I voted for the boyhood home of Lincoln which is in Kentucky!  I didn't 
see any place to vote for the home of conception in Bostic, NC!!!!!

Mike Royster


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)



Tommy, I  can't find where to vote for the Abraham Enloe Cabin,  Help!! 
Steve> From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:43:41 -0500> 
Subject: Re: [SEL] Landmark Restoration (former engine show site)> > Thanks 
Peter and all who have voted and helped!> > Tommy Turner> > > > -----  
Original 



From curt at rustyiron.com  Fri Nov 14 06:36:04 2008
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:36:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
Message-ID: <59315.168.215.206.73.1226673364.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Gentlemen,
Engines have been on hold a while as we've continued to work on Devin's
project vehicle. We are currently assembling the front I-beam axle and
have a couple of questions for the experts out there.

1) When setting toe in, where is the dimension taken from? At the OD of
the tire? Or at the brake drum/caliper OD? ISTR most toe in specs are a
1/16" to a 1/8". Where this is measured makes a HUGE difference in
resulting angle between the wheels.

2) We are in need of dust caps to go on the axle ends. NAPA turned up
nothing. These caps fit OVER the hubs, not inside like more modern
vehicles. The Hub measures 2 3/8" diameter and the caps need to be about 1
5/8" deep. Anyone know of a source?

If helpful, a few photos of the front axle can be seen at the bottom of
this page:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/WillyOverlandRestoration/FrontAxleIbeamRebuild/Thumbnails.html>

The entire project is being documented here: LOTS of photos.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/WillyOverlandRestoration/Thumbnails.html>

Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC



From jbcast at charter.net  Fri Nov 14 06:50:22 2008
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 9:50:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
In-Reply-To: <59315.168.215.206.73.1226673364.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <20081114095022.803X0.320844.root@mp18>


> 
> 1) When setting toe in, where is the dimension taken from? At the OD of
> the tire? Or at the brake drum/caliper OD? ISTR most toe in specs are a
> 1/16" to a 1/8". Where this is measured makes a HUGE difference in
> resulting angle between the wheels.

Mesure the toe at the outside of the tire, it's best to scribe the tire and measure from the scribe line, this compensates for runout. Jack up the wheel, chalk the tire, spin it, and hold a pointed tool against it, resting it on a block or jack stand. Measure from line to line in the front and back of the tires.
> 
> 2) We are in need of dust caps to go on the axle ends. NAPA turned up
> nothing. These caps fit OVER the hubs, not inside like more modern
> vehicles. The Hub measures 2 3/8" diameter and the caps need to be about 1
> 5/8" deep. Anyone know of a source?

Aluminum and a lathe, get creative.
J.B. Castagnos
Belle Rose, LA.



From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Nov 14 08:34:45 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:34:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
In-Reply-To: <59315.168.215.206.73.1226673364.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGECLHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Curt:

What I do is to make sure the kingpins and tie rod ends are in good condition and the wheel bearings have no slack in them.  If there's slop there, toe-in adjustment will be almost meaningless.

I jack the car up as level as I can and mark (just use a pencil or nail or something to make a fairly fine line) a place on the approximate center of the tread of each tire to measure from.  I Turn the tires so the marks are at the front and measure the distance between the marks.

The, I turn both tires to as close to the exact rear as I can and measure between the same marks.  The difference is toe-in.  Naturally, the distance should be shorter at the front than at the back.  If you get this reversed, it will make for interesting driving fun.  :-)

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> curt at rustyiron.com
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 08:36 AM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com;
> slick at toltbbs.com
> Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
> 
> 
> Gentlemen,
> Engines have been on hold a while as we've 
> continued to work on Devin's
> project vehicle. We are currently assembling the 
> front I-beam axle and
> have a couple of questions for the experts out there.
> 
> 1) When setting toe in, where is the dimension 
> taken from? At the OD of
> the tire? Or at the brake drum/caliper OD? ISTR 
> most toe in specs are a
> 1/16" to a 1/8". Where this is measured makes a 
> HUGE difference in
> resulting angle between the wheels.
> 
> 2) We are in need of dust caps to go on the axle 
> ends. NAPA turned up
> nothing. These caps fit OVER the hubs, not inside 
> like more modern
> vehicles. The Hub measures 2 3/8" diameter and 
> the caps need to be about 1
> 5/8" deep. Anyone know of a source?
> 
> If helpful, a few photos of the front axle can be 
> seen at the bottom of
> this page:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/W
illyOverlandRestoration/FrontAxleIbeamRebuild/Thumbnails.html>

The entire project is being documented here: LOTS of photos.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/WillyOverlandRestoration/Thumbnails.html>

Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

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From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Nov 14 07:57:08 2008
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:57:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
Message-ID: <20081114.105732.1232.6.jlb94@juno.com>

1) When setting toe in, where is the dimension taken from? 
=        =        =        =        =        =        =        =        
Hi Curt,
On my '72 Ford F-250 4x4,  I've always measured toe-in from the inside of
the tires at the highest point of the sidewall.

I don't know where I got the specs of 1/8" because it's been a long time
since I looked that kind of stuff up.

If you set your toe in at that, and notice uneven wear or hard steering. 
Then - - - Experiment.

If your tie-rod ends are anything like mine it's nothing to adjust a turn
in or out.

I can't help on the dust caps.

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Nov 14 08:22:01 2008
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:22:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
In-Reply-To: <20081114.105732.1232.6.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20081114.105732.1232.6.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <1084.165.206.180.15.1226679721.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Make sure you measure from a point perfectly level with the spindle, not
above or below it as there will be some camber angle. If you are above
level with the spindle or below level with the spindle, this angle will
throw off your measurements.  I take a level to my tires, with the level
intersecting the spindle center, and mark ahead and back with the level,
well, perfectly level!

Inside or outside should not matter as long as you do the same for both
front and back. It's typically easier to set your measuring device up
against the inner sidewall, however, than try to span tread.

I've also done it to the FACE of the tire, too. Measure from the very
center of the fronts of the tire, then the very center of the backs of the
tire, but that's difficult with low-riding vehicles, the body gets in the
way.

Roughly 1/8" toe in as the tires tend to pull outward at speed so they
would sit about 0 toe on the road and 1/8" at rest.
Front wheel drive is the opposite, you typically want toe-out on them as
the driving force makes them want to pull inward.

> 1) When setting toe in, where is the dimension taken from?
> =        =        =        =        =        =        =        =
> Hi Curt,
> On my '72 Ford F-250 4x4,  I've always measured toe-in from the inside of
> the tires at the highest point of the sidewall.
>
> I don't know where I got the specs of 1/8" because it's been a long time
> since I looked that kind of stuff up.
>
> If you set your toe in at that, and notice uneven wear or hard steering.
> Then - - - Experiment.
>
> If your tie-rod ends are anything like mine it's nothing to adjust a turn
> in or out.
>
> I can't help on the dust caps.
>
>  Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>  jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>    ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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From kosh at ncweb.com  Fri Nov 14 08:27:39 2008
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:27:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
In-Reply-To: <20081114095022.803X0.320844.root@mp18>
References: <59315.168.215.206.73.1226673364.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20081114112540.03489ec0@ncweb.com>

Chalk + scribe on the tire tread is the standard and most accurate way to 
do it, many racers still do it that way.

Dave Merchant


At 09:50 AM 11/14/2008, jbcast at charter.net wrote:

> >
> > 1) When setting toe in, where is the dimension taken from? At the OD of
> > the tire? Or at the brake drum/caliper OD? ISTR most toe in specs are a
> > 1/16" to a 1/8". Where this is measured makes a HUGE difference in
> > resulting angle between the wheels.
>
>Mesure the toe at the outside of the tire, it's best to scribe the tire 
>and measure from the scribe line, this compensates for runout. Jack up the 
>wheel, chalk the tire, spin it, and hold a pointed tool against it, 
>resting it on a block or jack stand. Measure from line to line in the 
>front and back of the tires.
> >
> > 2) We are in need of dust caps to go on the axle ends. NAPA turned up
> > nothing. These caps fit OVER the hubs, not inside like more modern
> > vehicles. The Hub measures 2 3/8" diameter and the caps need to be about 1
> > 5/8" deep. Anyone know of a source?
>
>Aluminum and a lathe, get creative.
>J.B. Castagnos
>Belle Rose, LA.
>
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kosh at nesys.com
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dmerchant at layerzero.com

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http://www.nesys.org
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From mls543 at ntelos.net  Fri Nov 14 10:12:13 2008
From: mls543 at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:12:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
In-Reply-To: <59315.168.215.206.73.1226673364.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <59315.168.215.206.73.1226673364.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <491DBF7D.70500@ntelos.net>

curt at rustyiron.com wrote:
> Gentlemen,
> Engines have been on hold a while as we've continued to work on Devin's
> project vehicle. We are currently assembling the front I-beam axle and
> have a couple of questions for the experts out there.
>
> 1) When setting toe in, where is the dimension taken from? At the OD of
> the tire? Or at the brake drum/caliper OD? ISTR most toe in specs are a
> 1/16" to a 1/8". Where this is measured makes a HUGE difference in
> resulting angle between the wheels.
>
> 2) We are in need of dust caps to go on the axle ends. NAPA turned up
> nothing. These caps fit OVER the hubs, not inside like more modern
> vehicles. The Hub measures 2 3/8" diameter and the caps need to be about 1
> 5/8" deep. Anyone know of a source?
>
> If helpful, a few photos of the front axle can be seen at the bottom of
> this page:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/WillyOverlandRestoration/FrontAxleIbeamRebuild/Thumbnails.html>
>
> The entire project is being documented here: LOTS of photos.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/WillyOverlandRestoration/Thumbnails.html>
>
> Thanks,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
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>   
Curt there are a few dust caps for ya there's the link good luck .
   Mark

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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 14 17:00:55 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:00:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
In-Reply-To: <59315.168.215.206.73.1226673364.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <165745.38249.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have an older friend, Bob, who's dad used to own a gasoline station 
and they also serviced vehicles.
Bob owned it for a few years after his dad did.
Then it was shut down and turned into an insurance office.
Well,,, Bob had the alignment tools along with all the rest of 
the specialty tools.
The station ran between 1948 and 1978.
I have seen Bob align a front end.
Picture two four foot or longer straight edges.
They had magnetic stand offs that slid to adjust for different 
wheel sizes.
They also each had a bubble on them for level.
Stick one on each front wheel and measure between them front and back.
Well,,,, It is hard to measure the back because there is car in the way.
So,,,, Have another rod under the car that had an adjustable part 
on each end. 
Those ends slid on the rod and could be locked in place with a thumb screw.
Each end had two 1 1/2" -- 2" long legs and a more solid bar coming 
up that he adjusted to the straight edges at the back of the wheels.
Then I grabbed one end and we tipped the ends over and slid the rod 
out from under the car.
We carried it around to the front and he had me slide my end up to the 
straighe edge and then he measured the gap at his end.

This did not look like something they had made.
I think the rod across the car came apart in three pieces and 
the ends came off.
Everything went into a nice box like it was a kit they had bought.

Are ya ready?
Start building.
Alan in Michigan



--- On Fri, 11/14/08, curt at rustyiron.com <curt at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> From: curt at rustyiron.com <curt at rustyiron.com>
> Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com, slick at toltbbs.com
> Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 9:36 AM
> Gentlemen,
> Engines have been on hold a while as we've continued to
> work on Devin's
> project vehicle. We are currently assembling the front
> I-beam axle and
> have a couple of questions for the experts out there.
> 
> 1) When setting toe in, where is the dimension taken from?
> At the OD of
> the tire? Or at the brake drum/caliper OD? ISTR most toe in
> specs are a
> 1/16" to a 1/8". Where this is measured makes a
> HUGE difference in
> resulting angle between the wheels.
> 
> 2) We are in need of dust caps to go on the axle ends. NAPA
> turned up
> nothing. These caps fit OVER the hubs, not inside like more
> modern
> vehicles. The Hub measures 2 3/8" diameter and the
> caps need to be about 1
> 5/8" deep. Anyone know of a source?
> 
> If helpful, a few photos of the front axle can be seen at
> the bottom of
> this page:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/WillyOverlandRestoration/FrontAxleIbeamRebuild/Thumbnails.html>
> 
> The entire project is being documented here: LOTS of
> photos.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/WillyOverlandRestoration/Thumbnails.html>
> 
> Thanks,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Fri Nov 14 17:51:16 2008
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:51:16 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
References: <165745.38249.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45268BC1D3AF482DB186F032C2EB27CA@your46e94owx6a>

Why not just take it to somebody that does alignment work 
and tell them to do it.  Kind of a speciality job anyway.  I 
would not invest much in toosl that get used once and never 
again.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, California U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net 



From endacomm10 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 14 18:04:32 2008
From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:04:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
In-Reply-To: <59315.168.215.206.73.1226673364.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <987114.78067.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>



curt at rustyiron.com wrote:    Gentlemen,
Engines have been on hold a while as we've continued to work on Devin's
project vehicle. We are currently assembling the front I-beam axle and
have a couple of questions for the experts out there.

1) When setting toe in, where is the dimension taken from? At the OD of
the tire? Or at the brake drum/caliper OD? ISTR most toe in specs are a
1/16" to a 1/8". Where this is measured makes a HUGE difference in
resulting angle between the wheels.

2) We are in need of dust caps to go on the axle ends. NAPA turned up
nothing. These caps fit OVER the hubs, not inside like more modern
vehicles. The Hub measures 2 3/8" diameter and the caps need to be about 1
5/8" deep. Anyone know of a source?
  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>--- http://www.jcwhitney.com/ ---<<<  If that fails, Try Warshawski
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   
   
  If helpful, a few photos of the front axle can be seen at the bottom of
this page:


The entire project is being documented here: LOTS of photos.


Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

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From jbcast at charter.net  Fri Nov 14 18:13:12 2008
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:13:12 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
In-Reply-To: <45268BC1D3AF482DB186F032C2EB27CA@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <20081114211312.VPHOJ.381120.root@mp15>


---- Jim Kirkes <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote: 
> Why not just take it to somebody that does alignment work 
> and tell them to do it.  Kind of a speciality job anyway.  I 
> would not invest much in toosl that get used once and never 
> again.
> 
> Jim
> 

Jim, this is a straight axle vehicle, only tool needed is a tape measure. I think he wants to do as much as he can himself.
J.B. Castagnos


From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com  Fri Nov 14 23:10:27 2008
From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (rustyiron1)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:10:27 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
References: <59315.168.215.206.73.1226673364.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <29527CE2846D476087CF73729CE9A9A1@Andy>

The wheel alignment measurements are taken from the wheel rim.
To carry out the Toe-in/ Toe-out.
Where the tyre bead sits, take all measurements from the outside of the rim 
at this point.
With the vehicle sitting on a flat surface, measure from the floor to a 
point on the inside of the wheel.
Do this on both wheels, note the measurement between the two wheels,then 
push the vehicle forward,
measure again so the you have the same measurement at the rear of the wheels 
from the floor.
Measure again but now at the rear of the wheel, same hight from the floor, 
this will be the Toe-in.
Easier still if the I beam axle is out of the vehicle.

Andy.......

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <curt at rustyiron.com>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
<slick at toltbbs.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 12:36 AM
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT


> Gentlemen,
> Engines have been on hold a while as we've continued to work on Devin's
> project vehicle. We are currently assembling the front I-beam axle and
> have a couple of questions for the experts out there.
>
> 1) When setting toe in, where is the dimension taken from? At the OD of
> the tire? Or at the brake drum/caliper OD? ISTR most toe in specs are a
> 1/16" to a 1/8". Where this is measured makes a HUGE difference in
> resulting angle between the wheels.
>
> 2) We are in need of dust caps to go on the axle ends. NAPA turned up
> nothing. These caps fit OVER the hubs, not inside like more modern
> vehicles. The Hub measures 2 3/8" diameter and the caps need to be about 1
> 5/8" deep. Anyone know of a source?
>
> If helpful, a few photos of the front axle can be seen at the bottom of
> this page:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/WillyOverlandRestoration/FrontAxleIbeamRebuild/Thumbnails.html>
>
> The entire project is being documented here: LOTS of photos.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/WillyOverlandRestoration/Thumbnails.html>
>
> Thanks,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From lfevans at pacbell.net  Sat Nov 15 14:30:48 2008
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:30:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Mostly Off Topic
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20081115143027.03775b48@pop.att.yahoo.com>

On Public Television:

Tonight in the Los Angeles area at 9:00 PM there will be a 90 minute 
documentary called "Journey to Palomar."  This is the story of George 
Ellery Hale who was the astronomer that was responsible for establishing 
three telescopes that each were the largest in the world when they first 
went into operation.  The first two were located at the Mount Wilson 
Observatory located in the mountains above Pasadena, California and the 
third one was the 200 inch instrument located at Mt. Palomar near San 
Diego, California.  The 60 inch telescope at Mt. Wilson went into use in 
1908 and the 100 inch telescope in 1917.

What keeps this a little bit on topic is the fact that there are a few 
seconds of film showing the 1911 50 HP Fairbanks Morse type RE running that 
my brother and I have the privilege of maintaining.

If you have an interest in the history of science and technology you might 
find this a 90 minutes well spent.  I'm not sure what the broadcast 
schedule is across the country.

Regards,

Larry Evans
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Nov 15 15:27:25 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:27:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mostly Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20081115143027.03775b48@pop.att.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <156A87EE63A4494191F2E4318B29FB64@larue10ijlvccx>

Wow, I'd love to see that program Larry.  I get 3 PBS feeds here on my
cable.  One from Louisville, one from Nashville and Kentucky Educational
TV's PBS feed.  But, none have the program on it, at least not at this
time.   Looks like Lawrence Welk is my 9:00 pm show.... Darn, I'd rather
be watching what you'll get to!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Evans
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 5:31 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Mostly Off Topic


On Public Television:

Tonight in the Los Angeles area at 9:00 PM there will be a 90 minute 
documentary called "Journey to Palomar."  This is the story of George 
Ellery Hale who was the astronomer that was responsible for establishing

three telescopes that each were the largest in the world when they first

went into operation.  The first two were located at the Mount Wilson 
Observatory located in the mountains above Pasadena, California and the 
third one was the 200 inch instrument located at Mt. Palomar near San 
Diego, California.  The 60 inch telescope at Mt. Wilson went into use in

1908 and the 100 inch telescope in 1917.

What keeps this a little bit on topic is the fact that there are a few 
seconds of film showing the 1911 50 HP Fairbanks Morse type RE running
that 
my brother and I have the privilege of maintaining.

If you have an interest in the history of science and technology you
might 
find this a 90 minutes well spent.  I'm not sure what the broadcast 
schedule is across the country.

Regards,

Larry Evans
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 


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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 23:47:58 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:47:58 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Mostly Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <156A87EE63A4494191F2E4318B29FB64@larue10ijlvccx>
References: <6.0.1.1.2.20081115143027.03775b48@pop.att.yahoo.com>
	<156A87EE63A4494191F2E4318B29FB64@larue10ijlvccx>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811152347y7ddcb3edr73d11521039c7c3@mail.gmail.com>

On 15/11/2008, Judge Tommy Turner <Lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:
> Wow, I'd love to see that program Larry.  I get 3 PBS feeds here on my
> cable.  One from Louisville, one from Nashville and Kentucky Educational
> TV's PBS feed.  But, none have the program on it, at least not at this
> time.   Looks like Lawrence Welk is my 9:00 pm show.... Darn, I'd rather
> be watching what you'll get to!
>
> Tommy Turner

Tommy and others:

http://www.shoppbs.org/sm-pbs-buy-the-journey-to-palomar-dvd-on-http-wwwshoppbsorg--pi-3333841.html

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Nov 16 14:19:47 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:19:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W6999B8C254A4D288F7A4E795160@phx.gbl>
References: <59315.168.215.206.73.1226673364.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<000b01c94671$8632e160$0201010a@x6d7p7>
	<2C36E455-E052-4D5C-BBC3-97D0D2DD8B87@rustyiron.com>
	<COL112-W6999B8C254A4D288F7A4E795160@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1226873987.49209c834dab8@webmail.city-net.com>

Gee Steve,

I think in all honesty, we to add a bit of clarification here.  ISTR that when
you last told me this story, the car was parked and the "shimmying" was
accompanied by a lot of moaning.

And I think you said that "when you cranked the toe in" she yelled "OH NO!  Not
the toe job AGAIN!!"

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>:

> Gee  Whiz , In the old days when my evil brother and i had too much shimmy 
> in the old Willys, We just cranked the toe in a little at a time till it quit
> shimmying, Steve the good Royster




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Nov 17 00:14:26 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:14:26 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Useful web site/spark plugs
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081117101339.00c332b8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys,
         While looking for some spark plug info I came across this British 
site which has a lot of very useful technical info on plugs and cross 
reference charts.
I hope it's useful to someone else as well.
http://www.spark-plugs.co.uk/

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From curt at rustyiron.com  Mon Nov 17 09:23:53 2008
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:23:53 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions. OT
In-Reply-To: <20081114211312.VPHOJ.381120.root@mp15>
References: <20081114211312.VPHOJ.381120.root@mp15>
Message-ID: <59467.168.215.206.73.1226942633.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

JB,
You are spot on! We are doing it all ourselves. This is supposed to be a
learning exercise for Devin.

I took your lathe suggestion to heart. Just happened to have a piece of
thin wall tubing under the workbench and chucked in up in the 4 jaw chuck
on Saturday. 5 hours later they were done and had a fresh coats of black
Imron on them. Cooked 'em in Missy's oven and then overnight in the deep
freeze and they look great and are ready to put on. I'll take a photo and
post later.
Curt


>
> ---- Jim Kirkes <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote:
>> Why not just take it to somebody that does alignment work
>> and tell them to do it.  Kind of a speciality job anyway.  I
>> would not invest much in toosl that get used once and never
>> again.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>
> Jim, this is a straight axle vehicle, only tool needed is a tape measure.
> I think he wants to do as much as he can himself.
> J.B. Castagnos
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Nov 17 13:03:21 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:03:21 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions now Imrom paint
References: <20081114211312.VPHOJ.381120.root@mp15>
	<59467.168.215.206.73.1226942633.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <8EB1A4205A8D43A197324BFAC4D02CB9@PETER>

Hi Curt
I used Imron 2 pack on my last R&V engine, great paint if your careful 
health wise.
I usually bake my paint but what is the benefit of freezing it too??

Peter, Oz




> JB,
> You are spot on! We are doing it all ourselves. This is supposed to be a
> learning exercise for Devin.
>
> I took your lathe suggestion to heart. Just happened to have a piece of
> thin wall tubing under the workbench and chucked in up in the 4 jaw chuck
> on Saturday. 5 hours later they were done and had a fresh coats of black
> Imron on them. Cooked 'em in Missy's oven and then overnight in the deep
> freeze and they look great and are ready to put on. I'll take a photo and
> post later.
> Curt
>
>
>>
>> ---- Jim Kirkes <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> Why not just take it to somebody that does alignment work
>>> and tell them to do it.  Kind of a speciality job anyway.  I
>>> would not invest much in toosl that get used once and never
>>> again.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>
>> Jim, this is a straight axle vehicle, only tool needed is a tape measure.
>> I think he wants to do as much as he can himself.
>> J.B. Castagnos



From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Mon Nov 17 13:29:58 2008
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:29:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions now Imrom paint
In-Reply-To: <8EB1A4205A8D43A197324BFAC4D02CB9@PETER>
References: <20081114211312.VPHOJ.381120.root@mp15>	<59467.168.215.206.73.1226942633.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<8EB1A4205A8D43A197324BFAC4D02CB9@PETER>
Message-ID: <4921E256.4090000@rustic-engines.com>

It freezes the molecular structure and makes a stronger bonding to 
combat any future
carcinogen, viral or bacterial entry.

Cheers,

Al Harris
Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Peter Lowe wrote:
> Hi Curt
> I used Imron 2 pack on my last R&V engine, great paint if your careful 
> health wise.
> I usually bake my paint but what is the benefit of freezing it too??
>
> Peter, Oz
>
>
>
>
>   
>> JB,
>> You are spot on! We are doing it all ourselves. This is supposed to be a
>> learning exercise for Devin.
>>
>> I took your lathe suggestion to heart. Just happened to have a piece of
>> thin wall tubing under the workbench and chucked in up in the 4 jaw chuck
>> on Saturday. 5 hours later they were done and had a fresh coats of black
>> Imron on them. Cooked 'em in Missy's oven and then overnight in the deep
>> freeze and they look great and are ready to put on. I'll take a photo and
>> post later.
>> Curt
>>
>>
>>     
>>> ---- Jim Kirkes <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Why not just take it to somebody that does alignment work
>>>> and tell them to do it.  Kind of a speciality job anyway.  I
>>>> would not invest much in toosl that get used once and never
>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Jim, this is a straight axle vehicle, only tool needed is a tape measure.
>>> I think he wants to do as much as he can himself.
>>> J.B. Castagnos
>>>       
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>   


From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Nov 17 16:55:52 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:55:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions now Imrom paint
In-Reply-To: <4921E256.4090000@rustic-engines.com>
References: <20081114211312.VPHOJ.381120.root@mp15>	<59467.168.215.206.73.1226942633.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<8EB1A4205A8D43A197324BFAC4D02CB9@PETER>
	<4921E256.4090000@rustic-engines.com>
Message-ID: <0FC04185-2017-4BD4-85F4-A5340462FE28@alltel.net>

WOW Al, That's neat!
	Dave
PS, How do you keep it frozen after you take it out of the freezer?


--------
David Rotigel
rotigel at alltel.net



On Nov 17, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Al Harris wrote:

> It freezes the molecular structure and makes a stronger bonding to
> combat any future
> carcinogen, viral or bacterial entry.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Al Harris
> Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>
> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
>
>
>
> Peter Lowe wrote:
>> Hi Curt
>> I used Imron 2 pack on my last R&V engine, great paint if your  
>> careful
>> health wise.
>> I usually bake my paint but what is the benefit of freezing it too??
>>
>> Peter, Oz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> JB,
>>> You are spot on! We are doing it all ourselves. This is supposed  
>>> to be a
>>> learning exercise for Devin.
>>>
>>> I took your lathe suggestion to heart. Just happened to have a  
>>> piece of
>>> thin wall tubing under the workbench and chucked in up in the 4  
>>> jaw chuck
>>> on Saturday. 5 hours later they were done and had a fresh coats of  
>>> black
>>> Imron on them. Cooked 'em in Missy's oven and then overnight in  
>>> the deep
>>> freeze and they look great and are ready to put on. I'll take a  
>>> photo and
>>> post later.
>>> Curt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ---- Jim Kirkes <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why not just take it to somebody that does alignment work
>>>>> and tell them to do it.  Kind of a speciality job anyway.  I
>>>>> would not invest much in toosl that get used once and never
>>>>> again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Jim, this is a straight axle vehicle, only tool needed is a tape  
>>>> measure.
>>>> I think he wants to do as much as he can himself.
>>>> J.B. Castagnos
>>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Mon Nov 17 17:00:39 2008
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:00:39 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions now Imrom paint
In-Reply-To: <0FC04185-2017-4BD4-85F4-A5340462FE28@alltel.net>
References: <20081114211312.VPHOJ.381120.root@mp15>	<59467.168.215.206.73.1226942633.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>	<8EB1A4205A8D43A197324BFAC4D02CB9@PETER>	<4921E256.4090000@rustic-engines.com>
	<0FC04185-2017-4BD4-85F4-A5340462FE28@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <492213B7.7050505@rustic-engines.com>

Ummm ....

Bugger,

Al Harris
Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



David Rotigel wrote:
> WOW Al, That's neat!
> 	Dave
> PS, How do you keep it frozen after you take it out of the freezer?
>
>
> --------
> David Rotigel
> rotigel at alltel.net
>
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Al Harris wrote:
>
>   
>> It freezes the molecular structure and makes a stronger bonding to
>> combat any future
>> carcinogen, viral or bacterial entry.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Al Harris
>> Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>>
>> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Lowe wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi Curt
>>> I used Imron 2 pack on my last R&V engine, great paint if your  
>>> careful
>>> health wise.
>>> I usually bake my paint but what is the benefit of freezing it too??
>>>
>>> Peter, Oz
>>>
>>>       
>


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Nov 17 23:54:03 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:54:03 -0800
Subject: [SEL] ebay
Message-ID: <BBC32BCE-D216-4355-976D-D9229447CB72@rustyiron.com>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380078048359

Well?  Which of you are on your way to Rochester to pick up your new  
toy?










From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Nov 18 02:03:04 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:03:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] ebay
References: <BBC32BCE-D216-4355-976D-D9229447CB72@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <05F99F8AD1464CF490F0C7892A8499F6@Peter>

Holy cow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's only a rusty bit of old iron ;-))))))))))))

Peter, Oz





> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380078048359
>
> Well?  Which of you are on your way to Rochester to pick up your new
> toy?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Nov 18 03:30:19 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:30:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ebay
References: <BBC32BCE-D216-4355-976D-D9229447CB72@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <9443BC4A6DCC4CABA4C8E6C2F6F60B70@tommydk7hxjr4h>

I was a bidder but not a buyer Rob.  I've got a Charter like it that's a 
little smaller.  But, my engine needs some TLC.  I've chatted with the 
purchaser of the Charter on ebay and he's a great guy that I've known for 
several years.  That hunk of iron has a good home.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "Stationary-Engine ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:54 AM
Subject: [SEL] ebay


> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380078048359
>
> Well?  Which of you are on your way to Rochester to pick up your new
> toy?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From curt at rustyiron.com  Tue Nov 18 05:16:45 2008
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:16:45 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [SEL] Old vehicle questions now Imrom paint
In-Reply-To: <8EB1A4205A8D43A197324BFAC4D02CB9@PETER>
References: <20081114211312.VPHOJ.381120.root@mp15>
	<59467.168.215.206.73.1226942633.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<8EB1A4205A8D43A197324BFAC4D02CB9@PETER>
Message-ID: <59341.168.215.206.73.1227014205.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Peter,
With enough time Imron sets up fully rock hard in a month or so. The very
low temp bake (no more than 150) accels the initial reaction. But the deep
freeze finishes off the complete thew hardening. I sprayed the parts about
3 in the afternoon and baked a couple of hours and deep froze overnight.
Next morning you can't possible even try and make a findernail dent in the
paint. It's tough. Try it you'll like. Normally I don't bother to bake or
freeze, but I wanted these parts done so I could tap them on the axles the
next day.
Curt


> Hi Curt
> I used Imron 2 pack on my last R&V engine, great paint if your careful
> health wise.
> I usually bake my paint but what is the benefit of freezing it too??
>
> Peter, Oz
>
>
>
>
>> JB,
>> You are spot on! We are doing it all ourselves. This is supposed to be a
>> learning exercise for Devin.
>>
>> I took your lathe suggestion to heart. Just happened to have a piece of
>> thin wall tubing under the workbench and chucked in up in the 4 jaw
>> chuck
>> on Saturday. 5 hours later they were done and had a fresh coats of black
>> Imron on them. Cooked 'em in Missy's oven and then overnight in the deep
>> freeze and they look great and are ready to put on. I'll take a photo
>> and
>> post later.
>> Curt
>>
>>
>>>
>>> ---- Jim Kirkes <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> Why not just take it to somebody that does alignment work
>>>> and tell them to do it.  Kind of a speciality job anyway.  I
>>>> would not invest much in toosl that get used once and never
>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>
>>> Jim, this is a straight axle vehicle, only tool needed is a tape
>>> measure.
>>> I think he wants to do as much as he can himself.
>>> J.B. Castagnos
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From b2 at chooka.net  Tue Nov 18 06:29:00 2008
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:29:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] ebay
In-Reply-To: <BBC32BCE-D216-4355-976D-D9229447CB72@rustyiron.com>
References: <BBC32BCE-D216-4355-976D-D9229447CB72@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <92C993CAC8BC4163B6D35D3C5D1A7325@apluscomputer.local>

The engine will have a new home in Idaho.  I believe it's not my place to
mention names, the buyer can do that if he wants to.  I don't know that he's
a list member but he is apparently well known and respected in the
collecting community.

Thanks to Tommy for nudging me over the past few years to list this engine.
I wish I could have brought it back to life myself, but it seemed time move
this engine to someone who would make something out of it.

B?

Bill Brueck
   Chatfield, Minnesota, USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:54 AM
To: Stationary-Engine ATIS
Subject: [SEL] ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380078048359

Well?  Which of you are on your way to Rochester to pick up your new toy?








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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Nov 18 06:57:43 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:57:43 -0800
Subject: [SEL] ebay
In-Reply-To: <92C993CAC8BC4163B6D35D3C5D1A7325@apluscomputer.local>
References: <BBC32BCE-D216-4355-976D-D9229447CB72@rustyiron.com>
	<92C993CAC8BC4163B6D35D3C5D1A7325@apluscomputer.local>
Message-ID: <3B10B9C7-7C23-45FF-B763-402800C782E4@rustyiron.com>


On Nov 18, 2008, at 6:29 AM, Bill Brueck wrote:

> The engine will have a new home in Idaho.  I believe it's not my  
> place to
> mention names, the buyer can do that if he wants to.  I don't know  
> that he's
> a list member but he is apparently well known and respected in the
> collecting community.
>
> Thanks to Tommy for nudging me over the past few years to list this  
> engine.
> I wish I could have brought it back to life myself, but it seemed  
> time move
> this engine to someone who would make something out of it.



Hey, Bill.  I appreciate the opportunity just to see the pictures of  
this engine on ebay.  Thanks for rescuing her in the first place, and  
taking good care of her for all these years.

Rob










From FERO_AH at city-net.com  Tue Nov 18 16:27:06 2008
From: FERO_AH at city-net.com (FERO_AH at city-net.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:27:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Chanticleer Engine/now turkeys OT
In-Reply-To: <0F2283F8-F399-4469-991E-8E8A27F41F75@rustyiron.com>
References: <517362.46486.qm@web59210.mail.re1.yahoo.com><B334E2B8-E1B1-4C10-A6E5-9F2DE8238F79@rustyiron.com><47F569FE.6090904@scrtc.com>
	<001d01c89762$d30e7b70$0302a8c0@Carl>
	<20080427113130.C7C3EE31C9@mail05.chariot.net.au>
	<007301c8a884$7b542280$6701a8c0@YOURA8CFD79427>
	<F09682D4-85E8-4F89-9437-613F58378032@alltel.net>
	<4D7F6271-A00D-4156-AF8C-9233E967694A@rustyiron.com>
	<9D122EE0-77E9-421A-953B-600B6F5230FB@alltel.net>
	<0F2283F8-F399-4469-991E-8E8A27F41F75@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <1227054426.49235d5af3228@webmail.city-net.com>

Rob, 

It doesn't matter if Dave can.  The TOM can and so can the HEN.
And THAT is ultimately what really matters.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>:

> Do you  
> have turkeys in Pennsylvania?  Can you tell the difference between the  
> voice of a hen turkey and your so-called rooster turkey?




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 23:51:04 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:51:04 +0000
Subject: [SEL] More Onan Water-Cooled Gennies
Message-ID: <6f6025160811182351g4009e5a9g17b999ce7d31f34b@mail.gmail.com>

We have yet another Onan W3S (or similar) generator in the collection,
this one we first found out about at the Barleylands Essex County show
in September, but has taken a while to get back in touch with the
owner.

We were working halfway towards the guy's home, so after work
yesterday (we are working in an electricity sub-station feeding the
local railway) we went on down to Rayleigh in Essex to pick it up, got
back home about 20.30.

It is not complete, but all the main parts are there, April 1944 manufacture.

I'll be looking out for a F-M MJ-C magneto for it, the brush end
casting cover for the genny and an air filter complete.

Pictures soon.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 11:30:19 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:30:19 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
Message-ID: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>

Please note that both our main websites are closed down for the
foreseeable future.

Oldengine.co.uk will remain active.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 19 13:09:15 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:09:15 -0600
Subject: [SEL] BAKER MONITOR CASTING
Message-ID: <002701c94a8b$14e7b990$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>


 Guten tag commrades !

 If anyone has a clue , respond to Coley or I will pass it on for ya  . He
hasnt made it up into the SEL backwaters of
the internet  yet . Hell mine all say GA 4-A

Chuck
///////////////////////////////////////////////
>
> From: "TOAD TOAD" <toady1900 at yahoo.com>
>
>
>>A FRIEND OF MINE HAS BOUGHT A BAKER UPRIGHT PUMP ENGINE, BUT IT HAS AN  " 
>>S"   CAST ON THE HOPPER AND FLYWHEEL AND ALL THE OTHER ONES WE HAVE SEEN 
>>HAVE THE SAME OTHER CASTING. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT 
>>WHAT THE S STOOD FOR. I AM A MEMBER OF SMOKSTAK AND WONDERED IF YOU ARE ON 
>>THERE UNDER THE KEROGAS NAME ALSO? I AM C-WADE7. PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
>> THANKS,
>> COLEY WADE
>>
>>
>>
> 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Nov 19 13:43:54 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:43:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com>

Why?  Doing your spring cleaning early?

Quoting Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>:

> Please note that both our main websites are closed down for the
> foreseeable future.
> 
> Oldengine.co.uk will remain active.




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Nov 19 15:09:53 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:09:53 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <92BECDA4-68DC-4768-9EEC-87C0A28C332C@rustyiron.com>


On Nov 19, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Listerdiesel wrote:

> Please note that both our main websites are closed down for the
> foreseeable future.

Peter, I told you that would happen if you were not more discreet
in promoting your "pay-by-the-minute" web cam business.




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 22:57:33 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:57:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
	<1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>

On 19/11/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Why?  Doing your spring cleaning early?

No, just p*ssed off with a guy swiping images and posting them on Photobucket.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Wed Nov 19 23:35:23 2008
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:35:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>	<1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4925133B.4010804@rustic-engines.com>

Would you be so kind as to provide a URL to one of the images *on* 
Photobucket that "guy" has posted.

Kindly,

Al Harris
Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Listerdiesel wrote:
> On 19/11/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>   
>> Why?  Doing your spring cleaning early?
>>     
>
> No, just p*ssed off with a guy swiping images and posting them on Photobucket.
>
> Peter
>   


From pjp08 at steamengine.com.au  Wed Nov 19 23:40:11 2008
From: pjp08 at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:40:11 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>	<1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4925145B.7050804@steamengine.com.au>

Just have him killed.

There are techniques to solve this. If your web server can be configured 
to check the referrer-id you can see if the load request has come from 
your page or directly.

Some people use javascript to download and display each photo - this way 
functionality like right-click-save does not work as the browser has no 
idea there is an image there.

Alternately, you can run a content management system (CMS) such as 
Joomla where you can set it up so that people have to register to access 
your site. You can approve the registration before they get access after 
satisfying yourself that they are real. I do this with our Scout web 
site to prevent deviants from capturing photos of the kids. In our 
system a person cannot register themselves, they have to be registered 
by the sysadmin - only active members of our troop and their parents are 
elligible.

Regards
Paul

Listerdiesel wrote:
> On 19/11/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>   
>> Why?  Doing your spring cleaning early?
>>     
>
> No, just p*ssed off with a guy swiping images and posting them on Photobucket.
>
> Peter
>   
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 
> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.8/1800 - Release Date: 19/11/2008 6:55 PM
>
>   



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Thu Nov 20 02:11:42 2008
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:11:42 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>	<1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492537DE.9090100@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Peter

I thought you had found a way of watermarking your images?

I got really annoyed when I found that someone had stolen some of my 
images ... someone who has loudly criticised the stealing of data from 
HIS website.  Then I decided that life was just too short to stress 
about these things.  I'm pretty happy with my various websites; I know 
that by putting them up at all I am releasing the information and images 
into the public domain.  As I don't have the resources of Disney or John 
Deere to trawl the Net finding instances of theft, I've decided to 
accept that there are lazy and dishonest people around ... but probably 
more who appreciate what I've done and find it useful or informative.  I 
think enough people ask to use my images to make it worth my while.

Dolly

Listerdiesel wrote:
> No, just p*ssed off with a guy swiping images and posting them on Photobucket.
>
> Peter
>   

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 05:43:58 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:43:58 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>	<1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com><6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>
	<492537DE.9090100@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001e01c94b16$0a631880$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>


 Then I decided that life was just too short to stress
> about these things.  I'm pretty happy with my various websites; I know
> that by putting them up at all I am releasing the information and images
> into the public domain.   >>>



Did you know Frank Zappa was buried without a headstone ?
 LOL ........Kinda like that , yeah .
When you are dead and gone ,eventually ,  all that will remain are your 
files .


Chuck Balyeat
http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm 



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 09:36:13 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:36:13 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <4925145B.7050804@steamengine.com.au>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
	<1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4925145B.7050804@steamengine.com.au>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811200936v3829d9fckf3aa69b62e5abd85@mail.gmail.com>

On 20/11/2008, Paul Pavlinovich <pjp08 at steamengine.com.au> wrote:
> Just have him killed.

Liked that :-))

The problem is not so much that someone has downloaded a picture, or
that he has subsequently posted it on a public image forum, it is that
over the years we have tried to present the engine preservation
movement as a thinking and reasonable recipient and home for
manufacturer's data, where that data would not otherwise be made
available. There is still a lot of data available only in closed
archives that are not generally accessible to engine guys.

We agreed with David Harris that the information that he gave us for
the site would not be splashed around the place or used for commercial
reward, and I have kept to that. By and large, the majority of the
engine movement has also honoured that unspoken but understood
agreement.

Whether it was digitally watermarked or not, and the very early stuff
wasn't, it is the attitude of the guy in particular that made me so
bl**dy mad, and still does. The images in question are not generally
available, although these days there are probably other copies
available that have originated with our site. The guy said that he had
the manuals for the engine in question and that the pictures were in
there, which they are not. The images are the original Lister factory
data sheets, copies of which are just not around, and I had to borrow
David's copies to get them scanned.

I don't 'need' the hassle quite frankly, it would be just as easy to
wipe the whole thing and save myself a few thousand bucks a year in
the process.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Nov 20 09:46:27 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:46:27 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811200936v3829d9fckf3aa69b62e5abd85@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
	<1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4925145B.7050804@steamengine.com.au>
	<6f6025160811200936v3829d9fckf3aa69b62e5abd85@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9178B42D-DCD4-4310-9383-5F4CF670A7B0@rustyiron.com>


On Nov 20, 2008, at 9:36 AM, Listerdiesel wrote:
>
> The problem is not so much that someone has downloaded a picture, or
> that he has subsequently posted it on a public image forum, it is that

Well, Peter, rather than letting the guy sit there comfortably in  
anonymity, why not out him?  Post the URL, his name, his email  
address, and whatever else you know about the guy.  Who knows?  Maybe  
he'll have a change of heart.




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 10:29:22 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:29:22 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <9178B42D-DCD4-4310-9383-5F4CF670A7B0@rustyiron.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
	<1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4925145B.7050804@steamengine.com.au>
	<6f6025160811200936v3829d9fckf3aa69b62e5abd85@mail.gmail.com>
	<9178B42D-DCD4-4310-9383-5F4CF670A7B0@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811201029j114e0cfal542559359f977e6d@mail.gmail.com>

On 20/11/2008, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> Well, Peter, rather than letting the guy sit there comfortably in
> anonymity, why not out him?  Post the URL, his name, his email
> address, and whatever else you know about the guy.  Who knows?  Maybe
> he'll have a change of heart.

No, that's not my way of doing things, and this is the mentality that
we are dealing with, so a change of mind is most unlikely, he is
enjoying his bit of publicity:


"Well someone is sure full of himself, you think your the only one in
the world with lister information? Your not the Lister god.No one here
has asked me to remove the information.
If your not willing to share it then why bother having a web page with
it available. Go cry in your cerial , maybe change your diaper and
have a nap, you might feel better.
My goal was to share some pictures and information about my lister
project, and all it has done is made everyone a bunch of childern that
wont share. Its too bad you are so petty about this situation."

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 12:15:16 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:15:16 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: A bit of Humour to Cheer us all up
Message-ID: <6f6025160811201215s2c4a9dbdn5ca5128c5f228967@mail.gmail.com>

>From Martin Perman this evening:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
52 things you would love to say out loud at work


1. I can see your point, but I still think you're full of sh*t.

2. I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce.

3. How about never? Is never good for you?

4. I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in
public.

5. I'm really easy to get along with once you people learn to see it my
way.

6. Who lit the fuse on your tampon?

7. I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message.

8. I don't work here. I'm a consultant.

9. It sounds like English, but I can't understand a word you're saying.

10. Ahhhh. I see the f ***-up fairy has visited us again.

11. I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.

12. You are validating my inherent mistrust of strangers.

13. I have plenty of talent and vision; I just don't give a sh*t.

14. I'm already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth.

15. I will always cherish the initial misconceptions I had about you.

16. Thank you. We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of
view.

17. The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist.

18. Any resemblance between your reality and mine are purely coincidental.

19. What am I? Flypaper for freaks?!!!!

20. I'm not being rude. You're just insignificant.

21. It's a thankless job, but I've got a lot of Karma to burn off.

22. Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial.

23. And your cry-baby whiny-arsed opinion would be?

24. Do I look like a f****** people person to you?

25. This isn't an office. It's Hell with fluorescent lighting.

26. I started out with nothing and I still have most of it left.

27. Sarcasm is just one more service we offer.

28. If I throw a stick, will you leave?

29. Errors have been made. Others will be blamed.

30. Whatever kind of look you were aiming for, you missed.

31. Oh I get it. Like humour, but different.........

32. An office is just a mental institute without the padded walls.

33. Can I swap this job for what's behind door .........1?

34. Too many freaks, not enough circuses.!!!

35. Nice perfume (or aftershave). Must you marinate in it?

36. Chaos, panic, and disorder. My work here is done.

37. How do I set a laser printer to stun?

38. I thought I wanted a career; it turns out I just needed the money.

39. I'll try being nicer if you'll try being more intelligent.

40. Wait a minute - I'm trying to imagine you with a personality.

41. Aren't you a black hole of need.

42. I'd like to help you out, which way did you come in?

43. Did you eat an extra bowl of stupid this morning?

44. Why don't you slip into something more comfortable? Like a coma.

45. If you have something to say raise your hand.........then place it over
your mouth.

46. I'm too busy, can I ignore you some other time?

47. Don't let your mind wander, its too small to be let out on its own.

48. Have a nice day, somewhere else.

49. You're not yourself today, I noticed the improvement straight away.

50. You are as pretty as a picture, I'd really like to hang you.

51. Don't believe everything you think. =)

52. Do you hear that? That's the sound of no-one caring.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Peter



-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Nov 20 13:19:24 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:19:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811201029j114e0cfal542559359f977e6d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
	<1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4925145B.7050804@steamengine.com.au>
	<6f6025160811200936v3829d9fckf3aa69b62e5abd85@mail.gmail.com>
	<9178B42D-DCD4-4310-9383-5F4CF670A7B0@rustyiron.com>
	<6f6025160811201029j114e0cfal542559359f977e6d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1227215964.4925d45c08ed8@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey Rob,

The guy's a fuckwit that can't write with a Lister project.  How hard would he
be to find on the web?  Mebbie he's a denizen of the British newsgroup?

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>:

> No, that's not my way of doing things, and this is the mentality that
> we are dealing with, so a change of mind is most unlikely, he is
> enjoying his bit of publicity:
> 
> "Well someone is sure full of himself, you think your the only one in
> the world with lister information? Your not the Lister god.No one here
> has asked me to remove the information.
> If your not willing to share it then why bother having a web page with
> it available. Go cry in your cerial , maybe change your diaper and
> have a nap, you might feel better.
> My goal was to share some pictures and information about my lister
> project, and all it has done is made everyone a bunch of childern that
> wont share. Its too bad you are so petty about this situation."




From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 20 14:06:53 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:06:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com><1227131034.4924889a620b8@webmail.city-net.com><6f6025160811192257h2c1f6ad8r62d6be9d62d91d0d@mail.gmail.com><4925145B.7050804@steamengine.com.au><6f6025160811200936v3829d9fckf3aa69b62e5abd85@mail.gmail.com><9178B42D-DCD4-4310-9383-5F4CF670A7B0@rustyiron.com><6f6025160811201029j114e0cfal542559359f977e6d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1227215964.4925d45c08ed8@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000401c94b5c$4c216060$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>


>> "Well someone is sure full of himself, you think your the only one in
>> the world with lister information? Your not the Lister god. 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19980505/

Hubris , would be the technical term for that .


Chuck






From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Nov 20 14:36:47 2008
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:36:47 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT: A bit of Humour to Cheer us all up
Message-ID: <bc4.3955d38d.3657407f@aol.com>

Thanks.
 
 
In a message dated 11/20/2008 12:25:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
listerdiesel at gmail.com writes:

52  things you would love to say out loud at work  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA  93454


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From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Nov 20 15:19:16 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:19:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT: A bit of Humour to Cheer us all up
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811201215s2c4a9dbdn5ca5128c5f228967@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEHMHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

I suppose it's normal that, during my career, I've probably (mostly silently) thought most of those 52 little things.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 02:15 PM
> To: Stationary-Engine; The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] OT: A bit of Humour to Cheer us all up




From elidas at aol.com  Thu Nov 20 19:18:40 2008
From: elidas at aol.com (elidas at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:18:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: A bit of Humour to Cheer us all up
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEHMHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <8CB199EFC2A66F5-13F0-112A@WEBMAIL-MZ19.sysops.aol.com>







Peter:

I suppose it's normal that, during my career, I've probably (mostly 
silently)
thought most of those 52 little things.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

  The fact I've said most of those things NOT so silently explains alot.


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 00:36:50 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:36:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811210036s5c076570od01e4688a57454a2@mail.gmail.com>

On 19/11/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:

FWIW here is the thread that caused the problem:

http://listerengine.com/smf/index.php?topic=3987.0

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Fri Nov 21 01:15:00 2008
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:15:00 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811210036s5c076570od01e4688a57454a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160811210036s5c076570od01e4688a57454a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49267C14.1020508@rustic-engines.com>

Quite interesting Peter.

"compig" certainly had his snout in the trough eh .. gawd almighty, a 
senior member, with apparently, no ethics.

BTW peoples, I've just been shonked for the third time on eBay by "not 
so honest" sellers. As soon as a couple of outstanding items arrive I 
will be terminating my account, never to return. It's not worth it IMHO.

Cheers,

Al Harris
Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Listerdiesel wrote:
> On 19/11/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> FWIW here is the thread that caused the problem:
>
> http://listerengine.com/smf/index.php?topic=3987.0
>
> Peter
>   


From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Fri Nov 21 01:21:10 2008
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:21:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811210036s5c076570od01e4688a57454a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160811210036s5c076570od01e4688a57454a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49267D86.5070006@rustic-engines.com>

Quite interesting Peter.

"compig" certainly had his snout in the trough eh .. gawd
almighty, a
senior member, with apparently, no ethics.

Correction:  should read "Full Member".


BTW peoples, I've just been shonked for the third time on eBay
by "not
so honest" sellers. As soon as a couple of outstanding items
arrive I
will be terminating my account, never to return. It's not
worth it IMHO.

Cheers,

Al Harris
Spring Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com



Listerdiesel wrote:
> On 19/11/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> FWIW here is the thread that caused the problem:
> 
> http://listerengine.com/smf/index.php?topic=3987.0
> 
> Peter
> 



From jmackess at twcny.rr.com  Fri Nov 21 04:49:56 2008
From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:49:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160811210036s5c076570od01e4688a57454a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401c94bd7$a8988730$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04>

Peter;
     Just a note to take care of some internet ettiquette I have long
neglected:
     Thank you for sharing the information on your web site. I don't own a
Lister or a Petter, but your thread charts helped me through the restoration
of some Stuart steam engine models I have. I am, I am sure, just one of
thousands who have benefitted from your sharing of the information on your
web site. Too often we use the information offered by others without thanks.
     That being said, I would never dream of downloading content from
other's sites to post on my site or album without permission, and I hope a
majority of your site's readers feel the same, but there will always be a
few with a "ghetto" mentality and attitude who feel they can do "whatever"
and then not make things right when they're called out on it. I hope you
will forget this idiot and know that the vast majority of us appreciate your
efforts and insights that have graced these forums and the internet for a
long time now! Thanks again, and all the best to you and yours!
Jim Mackessy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "Jim Dunmyer" <jdunmyer at toltbbs.com>; "Stationary-Engine"
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "The SEL email discussion list"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down


> On 19/11/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> FWIW here is the thread that caused the problem:
>
> http://listerengine.com/smf/index.php?topic=3987.0
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Nov 21 21:24:39 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:24:39 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
Message-ID: <491243A9159E4275BA5F163679C0CE2A@PML>

Thanks to Cam, here are some pics from the Bombala rally from a couple of
weeks ago:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 22 07:27:45 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:27:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <491243A9159E4275BA5F163679C0CE2A@PML>
Message-ID: <897761.67026.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Patrick and Cam.
Please keep them coming.
I love that we are from all over the world.
Now that shows here are down for the Winter I just got a nice "fix" 
from those pictures.

I especially enjoyed the ones with an engine belted up to something.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 11/22/08, Patrick M Livingstone <pml1 at bigpond.net.au> wrote:

> From: Patrick M Livingstone <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
> To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>, "Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 12:24 AM
> Thanks to Cam, here are some pics from the Bombala rally
> from a couple of
> weeks ago:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm
> 
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Nov 22 12:52:21 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:52:21 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081122225033.00c36300@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi guys,
         Sorry for yet another O.T. post but, seeing as that I'm the only 
active South African member of the list, you gotta read this:
<http://sport.iafrica.com/rugby/news/1324941.htm

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From obise at moscow.com  Sat Nov 22 13:53:25 2008
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin B Iseminger)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:53:25 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081122225033.00c36300@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <200811222153.mAMLrX8V040852@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Thank you for the link, Jerry!  That was a delightful read!  Good on ya!

:-)

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 12:52 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic

Hi guys,
         Sorry for yet another O.T. post but, seeing as that I'm the only 
active South African member of the list, you gotta read this:
<http://sport.iafrica.com/rugby/news/1324941.htm

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>



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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sat Nov 22 14:52:03 2008
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:52:03 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081122225033.00c36300@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <390D8F22468C4AFCBC7F9FC38395B63F@your9e74d7efa7>

Sorry to deflate you Jerry....but there is a formidable pair to come up 
against yet ,the Wallabies and the All Blacks.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 5:52 AM
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic


> Hi guys,
>         Sorry for yet another O.T. post but, seeing as that I'm the only
> active South African member of the list, you gotta read this:
> <http://sport.iafrica.com/rugby/news/1324941.htm
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Nov 22 16:08:37 2008
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:08:37 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081122225033.00c36300@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <9239F390F83048CD9E3777B5023A0D84@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Jerry,
    Good on you, you beat us also this time but today's result was excellent 
as far as we were concerned. A record defeat for the English I think?
Cheers, Craig in a triumphant Scotland
P.S : We beat the Canadians
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:52 PM
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic


> Hi guys,
>         Sorry for yet another O.T. post but, seeing as that I'm the only
> active South African member of the list, you gotta read this:
> <http://sport.iafrica.com/rugby/news/1324941.htm
>
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Nov 22 16:36:33 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:36:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081122225033.00c36300@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081122225033.00c36300@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <1227400593.4928a5913a197@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey Jerry,

Congrats to all the fans in SA on a great win.  
But I do have a question...
What the hell sport are they playing?

When I look at the pic that's with the article I see that the player is wearing
a girlie-helmet like an American football player.  But he's also wearing shorts
like a proper footie or rugby player.

Please help out a very confused Yank here.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>:

>          Sorry for yet another O.T. post but, seeing as that I'm the only 
> active South African member of the list, you gotta read this:
> <http://sport.iafrica.com/rugby/news/1324941.htm




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 22:49:36 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:49:36 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811222249j77618896qc0f80f6bbb25ec45@mail.gmail.com>

On 19/11/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:

The sites are back online, with the Lister and Petter data sections
disabled until we get all the images etc checked for
watermarking/copyright.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From Jim at hardmanfamily.net  Sun Nov 23 04:42:31 2008
From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:42:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811222249j77618896qc0f80f6bbb25ec45@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160811222249j77618896qc0f80f6bbb25ec45@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B2AFD9322A8D4EA29FB1CFB0C7C3F3D4@JamesDesktop>

Peter,

Thanks for enabling your website images.  Speaking for lots of us who 
"attend" distant meets via the internet, you are appreciated.  Not only are 
your pictures in large format, they are of high quality.

Don't let a few low lifes twist your tail.

Happy Thanksgiving to all...

Jim Hardman in Vermont
Where it is really cold and snowing. 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Nov 23 07:29:06 2008
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:29:06 EST
Subject: [SEL] engine display
Message-ID: <d30.4362a79a.365ad0c2@aol.com>


This would make a nice belted engine display with all the workings out in  
the open for all to see.
 
_http://cgi.ebay.com/Double-Corn-Husker_W0QQitemZ130270123794QQcmdZViewItemQQp
tZFolk_Art?hash=item130270123794&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66
%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318   


_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/Double-Corn-Husker_W0QQitemZ130270123794QQcmdZViewItemQQptZFolk_Art?hash=item130270123794&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72:1205|66:2
|65:12|39:1|240:1318) 

Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.
germoamer at AOL.com
**************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, 
and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com 
today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp
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From jmackess at twcny.rr.com  Sun Nov 23 10:34:56 2008
From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:34:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down
References: <6f6025160811191130n29ceba47id0dfe36b58ca8637@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160811222249j77618896qc0f80f6bbb25ec45@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801c94d9a$2f1afd10$7c313b18@ownerfm3tybt04>

Thank You, Peter! I'm glad to hear that one of the "best of the best" will
still be helping us all.
Best Regards;
Jim Mackessy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "Jim Dunmyer" <jdunmyer at toltbbs.com>; "Stationary-Engine"
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "The SEL email discussion list"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Web Sites Shut Down


> On 19/11/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The sites are back online, with the Lister and Petter data sections
> disabled until we get all the images etc checked for
> watermarking/copyright.
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From ashpow at westnet.com.au  Sun Nov 23 12:16:32 2008
From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (Ash Powell)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:16:32 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Getting my first engines!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1227459602.28107.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.3.1227459602.28107.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <32429955933A48EEBE5C14A48C8A3C9A@MINIBEAST>

Hey all,

Well ive been lurking for a while now while I found some engines, finally 
had some luck!

Ill be getting an International "M" 3hp, a Lister "D" and a Ronaldson & 
Tippet "N" (parts only apparently for the R&T)
Ive got hold of another one of a different bloke too but I cant remember the 
model.. ;p)

Transport is my first step..
How heavy are these things?
Im planning to carry them on a trayback Hilux ute, does this sound feasible?

Any info or advice you could offer on these engines would be great.
Really looking forward to making a start here after searching for so long. 
;p)

Cheers,
Ash 



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Sun Nov 23 12:39:33 2008
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:39:33 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Getting my first engines!
In-Reply-To: <32429955933A48EEBE5C14A48C8A3C9A@MINIBEAST>
References: <mailman.3.1227459602.28107.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<32429955933A48EEBE5C14A48C8A3C9A@MINIBEAST>
Message-ID: <48EB68316A3148F29D44862B4C920E4C@KerryPC>

G'Day Ash

Welcome to the list, well done on getting your first engines, but you will 
now get the dreaded disease and have to get more :-))
The Hilux will have no problems on carrying all three.
Make sure the M and the D has their magnetos and carbs
Getting manuals for all three is no problems see.  http://rallybadges.com/
Where in Oz are you

Kerry
Lithgow NSW Oz
Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/



> Hey all,
>
> Well ive been lurking for a while now while I found some engines, finally
> had some luck!
>
> Ill be getting an International "M" 3hp, a Lister "D" and a Ronaldson &
> Tippet "N" (parts only apparently for the R&T)
> Ive got hold of another one of a different bloke too but I cant remember 
> the
> model.. ;p)
>
> Transport is my first step..
> How heavy are these things?
> Im planning to carry them on a trayback Hilux ute, does this sound 
> feasible?
>
> Any info or advice you could offer on these engines would be great.
> Really looking forward to making a start here after searching for so long.
> ;p)
>
> Cheers,
> Ash
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 23 12:43:46 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:43:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] engine display
In-Reply-To: <d30.4362a79a.365ad0c2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <335964.5089.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

And the corn would be flying everywhere.
Alan

--- On Sun, 11/23/08, Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:

> From: Germoamer at aol.com <Germoamer at aol.com>
> Subject: [SEL] engine display
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 10:29 AM
> This would make a nice belted engine display with all the
> workings out in  
> the open for all to see.
>  
> _http://cgi.ebay.com/Double-Corn-Husker_W0QQitemZ130270123794QQcmdZViewItemQQp
> tZFolk_Art?hash=item130270123794&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66
> %3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318   
> 
> 
> _ 
> (http://cgi.ebay.com/Double-Corn-Husker_W0QQitemZ130270123794QQcmdZViewItemQQptZFolk_Art?hash=item130270123794&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72:1205|66:2
> |65:12|39:1|240:1318) 
> 
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord, Va.
> germoamer at AOL.com
> **************One site has it all. Your email accounts,
> your social networks, 
> and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com 
> today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp
> %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001)
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Sun Nov 23 12:52:02 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:52:02 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Getting my first engines!
References: <mailman.3.1227459602.28107.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<32429955933A48EEBE5C14A48C8A3C9A@MINIBEAST>
Message-ID: <5099F6ED24C54C0EA5803889416274B2@PETER>

Hi Ash

No problems with the Hi-Lux mate, cruising.

Peter, Oz




> Hey all,
>
> Well ive been lurking for a while now while I found some engines, finally
> had some luck!
>
> Ill be getting an International "M" 3hp, a Lister "D" and a Ronaldson &
> Tippet "N" (parts only apparently for the R&T)
> Ive got hold of another one of a different bloke too but I cant remember 
> the
> model.. ;p)
>
> Transport is my first step..
> How heavy are these things?
> Im planning to carry them on a trayback Hilux ute, does this sound 
> feasible?
>
> Any info or advice you could offer on these engines would be great.
> Really looking forward to making a start here after searching for so long.
> ;p)
>
> Cheers,
> Ash
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Nov 23 13:10:51 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:10:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Getting my first engines!
In-Reply-To: <32429955933A48EEBE5C14A48C8A3C9A@MINIBEAST>
References: <mailman.3.1227459602.28107.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<32429955933A48EEBE5C14A48C8A3C9A@MINIBEAST>
Message-ID: <1227474651.4929c6db495a4@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Ash,

WELCOME to the list and to an addictive hobby.

You've made some excellent choices for your first engines.  There's a ton of
info, parts, advice, etc. available on the IHC "M" and on the Lister "D".  I
don't know anything about the R&T.  With engines like that you can learn all of
the basics of doing a restoration (of whatever kind suits you), getting the
engines running well, and most importantly, taking your engines out to rallies
where you get to jaw with your mates, drink beer, and watch the pretty sheilias
stroll by.  I assume that you lot have shelias at your rallies?  8-))

As to the type of restoration, after doing up the mechanical bits so that it
runs well, your next decision is cosmetics.  There their tends to be two
schools of thought; keep it in it's "working clothes" with maybe a spritz of an
oil/kero mix or boiled linseed oil to bring up the color and give it just a bit
of shine, or sandblast and do a full gloss paint job.  Personally, I lean
toward the former.  If, as time passes, you can't abide how she looks, you can
always sandblast and paint.  But you can't "unrestore" that full gloss paint
job.

Two pieces of advice.  Put your engines on trollys.  Shifting this heavy old
iron around when it's on skids is just plain WORK.  Second, be prepared to
house MORE old engines.  When left alone in your shed, the things breed like
your boody Aussie rabbits!  Today you have three.  Next year at this time
you'll have 30!  Trust me on this point.  8-))

I'd like to welcome you to the list and to the hobby by offering you a present.

If you'll send me your snail mail address (off list) I'll mail you a copy of a
really neat color advert that I have for the IHC "M".  It's two sheets (each
11"x17") that discuss the unique features of the "M" and how it works to help
the farmer make his farm operation more profitable.  If you laminate them it
makes a great addition to your rally field exhibit and helps the punters to
understand what these old engines were all about and what they did when they
were working for a living.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA USA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting Ash Powell <ashpow at westnet.com.au>:

> Well ive been lurking for a while now while I found some engines, finally 
> had some luck!
> 
> Ill be getting an International "M" 3hp, a Lister "D" and a Ronaldson & 
> Tippet "N" (parts only apparently for the R&T)




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 13:13:24 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:13:24 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Wanted: Magneto, F-M J 2-Cylinder
Message-ID: <6f6025160811231313w30bd4b7en1280f488a1230dc0@mail.gmail.com>

Looking for a Fairbanks-Morse FM-J magneto, number on the side should be:

JFE 2B 69A

That is a flange-mounted, radio shielded plug leads, jump-spark
magneto for Onan W series engines. The 69 is Onan's maker code, the E
is radio shielded, B is flange mount, 2 is the number of cylinders.

We have two engines without magnetos, so any non-working ones would be
useful as well, or any used parts that are good. Ship to AZ or MI or
direct to the UK, all shipping expenses paid plus the magneto cost.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Nov 23 13:49:03 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:49:03 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 56, Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1227459602.28107.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081123234625.00c2e630@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 23/11/2008, you wrote:
>Message: 4
>Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:08:37 -0000
>From: "craig morrison" <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Totally off topic
>
>Jerry,
>     Good on you, you beat us also this time but today's result was excellent
>as far as we were concerned. A record defeat for the English I think?
>Cheers, Craig in a triumphant Scotland.

Hi Craig,
         You must be that Scottish sports fan who, when asked which team he 
supported answered - whichever one is playing against England :-)


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Nov 23 13:51:43 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:51:43 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1227459602.28107.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081123234922.00c43a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 23/11/2008, you wrote:
>Message: 3
>Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:52:03 +0900
>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Totally off topic
>
>Sorry to deflate you Jerry....but there is a formidable pair to come up
>against yet ,the Wallabies and the All Blacks.

I know Peter, I know. The game may have started up north but its the guys 
in the Southern Hemisphere who rule today.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Nov 23 21:06:19 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:06:19 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Getting my first engines!
In-Reply-To: <32429955933A48EEBE5C14A48C8A3C9A@MINIBEAST>
References: <mailman.3.1227459602.28107.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<32429955933A48EEBE5C14A48C8A3C9A@MINIBEAST>
Message-ID: <4F47399B890D4565A78BC0C4514F2505@PML>

Hi Ash,
	Congratulations on getting some engines. The Hilux will have no
trouble carrying the engines but you will need some help to lift them up
onto the tray. There is always a fair bit of weight in even the smallest
engine.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

-----Original Message-----


Hey all,

Well ive been lurking for a while now while I found some engines, finally 
had some luck!

Ill be getting an International "M" 3hp, a Lister "D" and a Ronaldson & 
Tippet "N" (parts only apparently for the R&T)
Ive got hold of another one of a different bloke too but I cant remember the

model.. ;p)

Transport is my first step..
How heavy are these things?
Im planning to carry them on a trayback Hilux ute, does this sound feasible?

Any info or advice you could offer on these engines would be great.
Really looking forward to making a start here after searching for so long. 
;p)

Cheers,
Ash 




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 04:51:14 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:51:14 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Wanted: Pair of old Panel Meters for a Searchlight
	Generator
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811121042rf5c9ab8r56bf5bbb8237a66c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811121042rf5c9ab8r56bf5bbb8237a66c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811240451i65ced29alaf8009d31e64947a@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/11/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> We got the old Petter PU8 genny engine running today, had to change
> the magneto as the original had been got at and reassembled with the
> timing wrong :-((

We received a pair of Sangamo Weston panel meters this morning, from
Kim Siddorn in Bristol. As near what we wanted as makes no difference,
just need to re-print the correct scales or adapt the old ones,
whichever is easier.

Many thanks for everyone's help on this one, both on and off-list, it
was very much appreciated.

Hope to have the PU8 searchlight genny at Nuenen next year, along with
a couple of the Onans and a couple of Philip's BSA gennies, sort of
Maytag sized things but they are 4-stroke and have a genny attached -
see:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland08/Portland08468.htm

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 24 06:12:17 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:12:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081123234922.00c43a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081123234922.00c43a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <1227535937.492ab641aa85a@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Jerry,

Why is that do you reckon?

Arnie

Quoting Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>:

> >From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> >
> >Sorry to deflate you Jerry....but there is a formidable pair to come up
> >against yet ,the Wallabies and the All Blacks.
> 
> I know Peter, I know. The game may have started up north but its the guys 
> in the Southern Hemisphere who rule today.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 24 07:03:45 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:03:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Getting my first engines!
In-Reply-To: <4F47399B890D4565A78BC0C4514F2505@PML>
References: <mailman.3.1227459602.28107.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<32429955933A48EEBE5C14A48C8A3C9A@MINIBEAST>
	<4F47399B890D4565A78BC0C4514F2505@PML>
Message-ID: <1227539025.492ac2512f8e3@webmail.city-net.com>

Ash,  Take a bit of advice from an old guy.  Put your engines on wheels.
Get some ramps.  Get a winch or a come-along.  Man invented tools to ease life's
burdens.  Use 'em.  8-))  See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Patrick M Livingstone <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>:

> 	Congratulations on getting some engines. The Hilux will have no
> trouble carrying the engines but you will need some help to lift them up
> onto the tray. There is always a fair bit of weight in even the smallest
> engine.




From enginepaul at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 08:50:47 2008
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:50:47 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic
In-Reply-To: <1227535937.492ab641aa85a@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081123234922.00c43a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<1227535937.492ab641aa85a@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0811240850i48dbc6c3odd232e705544999c@mail.gmail.com>

Jerry:

Congratulations. I don't know what a rugby is, but apparently your boys do.

Paul, in San Francisco


From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 11:21:45 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:21:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081123234922.00c43a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za><1227535937.492ab641aa85a@webmail.city-net.com>
	<8d3c36fb0811240850i48dbc6c3odd232e705544999c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007a01c94e69$e430dd30$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

>  I don't know what a rugby is, but apparently your boys do.>>
>>>>>
Is it anything like rugburn  ? 



c
 


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 13:18:38 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:18:38 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Bob Blessed?
Message-ID: <6f6025160811241318l77b198efj7f0935e23fcfbddc@mail.gmail.com>

Should I remember this name?

It's been nagging at the back of my mind for a couple of weeks,
possibly in connection with the old Indiana.edu mailing list.

It was part of either someone's sign-off sentence or signature or whatever.

Can someone put me out of my misery please?

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 13:31:32 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:31:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bob Blessed?
References: <6f6025160811241318l77b198efj7f0935e23fcfbddc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002401c94e7c$05a4fde0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>


Bob Learned ,     
 better to be thought a fool , 
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt 


>>>>>>>>
> Can someone put me out of my misery please?
>
If it comes to that , yes . 
 


From ddotto at cableone.net  Mon Nov 24 14:06:57 2008
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:06:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Bob Blessed?
In-Reply-To: <002401c94e7c$05a4fde0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <8C45A15C3158450E94BA7E67438B29E0@SHOP>

I thought it was;
"A closed mouth gathers no feet"

Dave

Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Balyeat
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:32 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bob Blessed?


Bob Learned ,     
 better to be thought a fool , 
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt 


>>>>>>>>
> Can someone put me out of my misery please?
>
If it comes to that , yes . 
 
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From ilifa at internode.on.net  Mon Nov 24 14:30:30 2008
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:30:30 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bob Blessed?
In-Reply-To: <002401c94e7c$05a4fde0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
References: <6f6025160811241318l77b198efj7f0935e23fcfbddc@mail.gmail.com>
	<002401c94e7c$05a4fde0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <F469C9D1-2812-4CEA-BD13-0D5799A9E2BF@internode.on.net>

> Bob Learned ,
> better to be thought a fool ,
> than to open your mouth and remove all doubt


The full quote is:

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool that to speak and  
remove all doubt."

I'm speaking from experience!

Eric




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Mon Nov 24 14:32:48 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:32:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Field Brundage ignition
Message-ID: <20081124223244.C11D24C8CA9@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

I have an old "Field" 12 hp. Engine that the original igniter ignition was
changed to spark plug. It looks like a professional modification or maybe
Factory even. The end of the side-shaft had a timer assembly on it which is
broken beyond recognition. I'm hoping that it isn't a one-off example and
other examples have survived. If anyone has one or pictures of any ,I could
use your help .Eventually, I'll have the igniter and trip assembly
remanufactured, but for now I just want to make smoke. Thanks in advance,
Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. USA. 415 892 0236

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Nov 24 14:56:25 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:56:25 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1227546002.8534.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081125004559.00c596d0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 24/11/2008, you wrote:
>Message: 12
>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:12:17 -0500
>From: fero_ah at city-net.com
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Totally off topic
>
>Hi Jerry,
>Why is that do you reckon?
>Arnie
>Quoting Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>:
>
> > >From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> > >Sorry to deflate you Jerry....but there is a formidable pair to come up
> > >against yet ,the Wallabies and the All Blacks.
> > I know Peter, I know. The game may have started up north but its the guys
> > in the Southern Hemisphere who rule today.

Balls Arnie - Bloody Great Big Balls - made of leather! <big grin>

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Nov 24 15:21:21 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:21:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Field Brundage ignition
References: <20081124223244.C11D24C8CA9@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <25837C84363B4FC1A9EE689DC74B5B27@tommydk7hxjr4h>

Jimmy,
    If you haven't seen this video, here is a Youtube of a nice Field 
engine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnziGE2j95E

    Post some photos of that old hunk of iron like I saw in the wild.  Then 
post some after photos.  I can't wait to see it run.

Tommy



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:32 PM
Subject: [SEL] Field Brundage ignition


>I have an old "Field" 12 hp. Engine that the original igniter ignition was
> changed to spark plug. It looks like a professional modification or maybe
> Factory even. The end of the side-shaft had a timer assembly on it which 
> is
> broken beyond recognition. I'm hoping that it isn't a one-off example and
> other examples have survived. If anyone has one or pictures of any ,I 
> could
> use your help .Eventually, I'll have the igniter and trip assembly
> remanufactured, but for now I just want to make smoke. Thanks in advance,
> Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. USA. 415 892 0236
>
>
>
> Jim O'Hagan
>
>
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Nov 24 17:00:14 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:00:14 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic/now even more
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1227546002.8534.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20081125005657.02351488@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 07:00 PM 24/11/2008, you wrote:
>Message: 14
>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:50:47 -0800
>From: "P. Johns" <enginepaul at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Totally off topic
>Jerry:
>Congratulations. I don't know what a rugby is, but apparently your boys do.
>Paul, in San Francisco


         (This post has absolutely nothing to do with engines and I, once 
again apologise for starting it but it could be construed as very bad 
manners to not answer any replies to the original post - so, anyone on the 
list who would not like to read it is at liberty to use their "delete" key).
Hi Paul,
         Thanks for the reply. It's not "a" rugby - it's rugby. It's a 
sport started when a chappie at Rugby College (or school ?) in England 
called William Webb Ellis picked up a soccer ball (football) and ran with 
it in his arms to the goal line (It's illegal in "soccer" or "football" to 
handle the ball with your hands - that's why "soccer" is called "football" 
- it's all about control of the ball using your feet and body - you may not 
touch the ball with your hands). Anyway someone thought that it was a good 
idea to be allowed to pick up the ball and run with it and this sport was 
born. I was originally called "Rugby Football" but eventually the name was 
shortened  to"Rugby" and universally accepted
         It bears a slight resemblance to what you guys in the USA call 
"American Football". There are many differences in the game but the main 
ones are.
         1) Rugby is played by "real men" not "prima donnas" (but my Aussie 
friends may disagree when they think of Percy Montgomery).
         2)They are usually big, dirty(as in "attitude" - not necessarily 
"lack of soap"), tough, ugly (again, ugly as in attitude - not necessarily 
in looks) guys and they do not wear all sorts of protective equipment 
(scrum caps are allowed in deference to their later "sex life" - how many 
"chicks" do you know who would be prepared to "suck" a "cauliflower 
ear"?)  (For those List Members who are "humorously challenged" - that was 
a joke! - remember the delete key).
         2) The game is played by big tough guys with big tough balls. 
These are oval shaped and made from well seasoned leather:-). They only use 
one ball per game. (??)
         3) There are many more rules to the game but, mostly, these are 
ignored by the players.

         South Africa are the current world rugby champions but that is 
only because our previous coach decided to ignore government directives and 
selected players "on merit" as opposed to "by colour". He was "got rid of" 
just after we won the World Cup last year (we cannot have these 
rascists  now can we). He was replaced by someone of a colour "more 
acceptable" to government. Luckily our team still seems to remember his 
coaching and we are still doing quite well but we do not know how long this 
will last. ( For those List Members who are "humorously challenged" - this 
is NOT a joke!).

         The main rugby playing nations of the world are: Argentina, 
Australia, Great Britain (including England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales), 
France, South Africa and New Zealand. There are others.

         Our main opponents are Australia, England and New Zealand and a 
healthy "rivalry" exists between us.

         For my part, I support my own country first and then Aus. and New 
Zealand when they play anyone from the Northern Hemisphere. (Almost like 
the Scots who support "whoever is playing against England").

         O.K. Guys, I started this "off topic" discussion so it's best if I 
end it as well so this will be my "last post" on the subject.
         I apologise if I've offended anyone but the list has been fairly 
quiet lately (I mean, Maytags as a "boat anchor" !!!!! - what kind of 
subject is that for discussion????).
          I only know of 2 list members who would support that kind of 
notion. but I'll not mention any names .
         By the way Dave and Arnie, did I mention that I picked up another 
Maytag recently ? <grin>.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>





From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Nov 24 17:05:46 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:05:46 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bob Blessed?
In-Reply-To: <F469C9D1-2812-4CEA-BD13-0D5799A9E2BF@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOEKKHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Sorta like the 'ol two-step procedure:

Step One: Open mouth.
Step Two: Insert foot.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Eric Schulz
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 04:31 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Bob Blessed?
> 
> 
> > Bob Learned ,
> > better to be thought a fool ,
> > than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
> 
> 
> The full quote is:
> 
> "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool 
> that to speak and  
> remove all doubt."
> 
> I'm speaking from experience!
> 
> Eric




From gastzt at aol.com  Mon Nov 24 17:16:32 2008
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:16:32 EST
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic/now even more
Message-ID: <bf9.4e3be727.365cabf0@aol.com>

They had big tough balls?  GOSH  ha
  Stan
 
 
In a message dated 11/24/2008 7:05:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

At 07:00  PM 24/11/2008, you wrote:
>Message: 14
>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008  08:50:47 -0800
>From: "P. Johns"  <enginepaul at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Totally off  topic
>Jerry:
>Congratulations. I don't know what a rugby is, but  apparently your boys do.
>Paul, in San Francisco


(This post has absolutely nothing to do with  engines and I, once 
again apologise for starting it but it could be  construed as very bad 
manners to not answer any replies to the original  post - so, anyone on the 
list who would not like to read it is at liberty  to use their "delete" key).
Hi Paul,
Thanks for the reply. It's not "a" rugby - it's rugby. It's a 
sport  started when a chappie at Rugby College (or school ?) in England 
called  William Webb Ellis picked up a soccer ball (football) and ran with 
it in  his arms to the goal line (It's illegal in "soccer" or "football" to  
handle the ball with your hands - that's why "soccer" is called "football"  
- it's all about control of the ball using your feet and body - you may  not 
touch the ball with your hands). Anyway someone thought that it was a  good 
idea to be allowed to pick up the ball and run with it and this sport  was 
born. I was originally called "Rugby Football" but eventually the name  was 
shortened  to"Rugby" and universally accepted
It bears a slight resemblance to what you guys in the USA  call 
"American Football". There are many differences in the game but the  main 
ones are.
1) Rugby is played by  "real men" not "prima donnas" (but my Aussie 
friends may disagree when  they think of Percy Montgomery).
2)They  are usually big, dirty(as in "attitude" - not necessarily 
"lack of soap"),  tough, ugly (again, ugly as in attitude - not necessarily 
in looks) guys  and they do not wear all sorts of protective equipment 
(scrum caps are  allowed in deference to their later "sex life" - how many 
"chicks" do you  know who would be prepared to "suck" a "cauliflower 
ear"?)  (For  those List Members who are "humorously challenged" - that was 
a joke! -  remember the delete key).
2) The game is  played by big tough guys with big tough balls. 
These are oval shaped and  made from well seasoned leather:-). They only use 
one ball per game.  (??)
3) There are many more rules to the  game but, mostly, these are 
ignored by the players.

South Africa are the current world rugby champions but  that is 
only because our previous coach decided to ignore government  directives and 
selected players "on merit" as opposed to "by colour". He  was "got rid of" 
just after we won the World Cup last year (we cannot have  these 
rascists  now can we). He was replaced by someone of a colour  "more 
acceptable" to government. Luckily our team still seems to remember  his 
coaching and we are still doing quite well but we do not know how long  this 
will last. ( For those List Members who are "humorously challenged" -  this 
is NOT a joke!).

The main  rugby playing nations of the world are: Argentina, 
Australia, Great  Britain (including England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales), 
France, South  Africa and New Zealand. There are others.

Our main opponents are Australia, England and New Zealand and a  
healthy "rivalry" exists between us.

For my part, I support my own country first and then Aus. and New  
Zealand when they play anyone from the Northern Hemisphere. (Almost like  
the Scots who support "whoever is playing against England").

O.K. Guys, I started this "off topic" discussion so  it's best if I 
end it as well so this will be my "last post" on the  subject.
I apologise if I've offended  anyone but the list has been fairly 
quiet lately (I mean, Maytags as a  "boat anchor" !!!!! - what kind of 
subject is that for  discussion????).
I only know of 2 list  members who would support that kind of 
notion. but I'll not mention any  names .
By the way Dave and Arnie, did I  mention that I picked up another 
Maytag recently ?  <grin>.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near  Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to  order:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>



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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Mon Nov 24 17:47:46 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:47:46 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Field Brundage ignition
In-Reply-To: <25837C84363B4FC1A9EE689DC74B5B27@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <20081125014743.3287730283D@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Tommy, Nice hearing from you. It's getting closer, just have to secure it
down to something substantial and temp an ignition system. Did you ever do
anything with the Falk out of Canada? How bad was it? Take care Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
Turner
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:21 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Field Brundage ignition

Jimmy,
    If you haven't seen this video, here is a Youtube of a nice Field 
engine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnziGE2j95E

    Post some photos of that old hunk of iron like I saw in the wild.  Then 
post some after photos.  I can't wait to see it run.

Tommy



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:32 PM
Subject: [SEL] Field Brundage ignition


>I have an old "Field" 12 hp. Engine that the original igniter ignition was
> changed to spark plug. It looks like a professional modification or maybe
> Factory even. The end of the side-shaft had a timer assembly on it which 
> is
> broken beyond recognition. I'm hoping that it isn't a one-off example and
> other examples have survived. If anyone has one or pictures of any ,I 
> could
> use your help .Eventually, I'll have the igniter and trip assembly
> remanufactured, but for now I just want to make smoke. Thanks in advance,
> Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. USA. 415 892 0236
>
>
>
> Jim O'Hagan
>
>
>
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From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Mon Nov 24 18:25:01 2008
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:25:01 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Austral spanners (for the aussies)
Message-ID: <008401c94ea5$060597d0$210110ac@Chester>

Hi guys, can anyone tell me what size snail brand spanners came with a 8hp Austral originally, cheers from West Aussie,
Chester.

From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Nov 24 18:25:39 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:25:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Field Brundage ignition
References: <20081125014743.3287730283D@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <FAC0463B245F4EE79ECDF751B24CF71C@tommydk7hxjr4h>

I got a couple of Falks out of Canada.  One was a 3 HP and it was complete 
but had a broken crankshaft.  I had a shaft that was the right dimensions 
though to put on it.  The other Falk was a 5 HP.  Its needing a few parts 
(part of the carb and an ignitor).  I've got a complete one here to 
copy..... one of these days.

Glad to hear your old hunk of iron is going to be ready to fire up soon.

Tommy Turner


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Field Brundage ignition


> Tommy, Nice hearing from you. It's getting closer, just have to secure it
> down to something substantial and temp an ignition system. Did you ever do
> anything with the Falk out of Canada? How bad was it? Take care Jimmy
>
> Jim O'Hagan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
> Turner
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:21 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Field Brundage ignition
>
> Jimmy,
>    If you haven't seen this video, here is a Youtube of a nice Field
> engine:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnziGE2j95E
>
>    Post some photos of that old hunk of iron like I saw in the wild.  Then
> post some after photos.  I can't wait to see it run.
>
> Tommy
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim O'Hagan" <jdohagan at comcast.net>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:32 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Field Brundage ignition
>
>
>>I have an old "Field" 12 hp. Engine that the original igniter ignition was
>> changed to spark plug. It looks like a professional modification or maybe
>> Factory even. The end of the side-shaft had a timer assembly on it which
>> is
>> broken beyond recognition. I'm hoping that it isn't a one-off example and
>> other examples have survived. If anyone has one or pictures of any ,I
>> could
>> use your help .Eventually, I'll have the igniter and trip assembly
>> remanufactured, but for now I just want to make smoke. Thanks in advance,
>> Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato, Ca. USA. 415 892 0236
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim O'Hagan
>>
>>
>>
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 24 18:40:06 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:40:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bob Blessed?
References: <6f6025160811241318l77b198efj7f0935e23fcfbddc@mail.gmail.com><002401c94e7c$05a4fde0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<F469C9D1-2812-4CEA-BD13-0D5799A9E2BF@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <005901c94ea7$20bc8320$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>


Dave got it right , Bob's sig was 

closed mouths gather no feet 

>> Bob Learned ,
>> better to be thought a fool ,
>> than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
> 
> 
> The full quote is:
> "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool that to speak and  
> remove all doubt."
> I'm speaking from experience!
> Eric



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Nov 24 20:59:45 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:59:45 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Austral spanners (for the aussies)
In-Reply-To: <008401c94ea5$060597d0$210110ac@Chester>
References: <008401c94ea5$060597d0$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <BC3D4FD42F8145FE92393D3DFEE9672B@PML>

Hi Chester,

            I don't remember seeing a list of what tools were shipped with
the engines but I will look through my material and see what is there. I
suspect they would have been shipped with the appropriate sizes to deal with
bolts and nuts that needed occasional adjusting, such as bearing caps &
possibly one for the wheel stays.

Patrick

 

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

  _____  

Hi guys, can anyone tell me what size snail brand spanners came with a 8hp
Austral originally, cheers from West Aussie,

Chester.



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Nov 24 21:19:21 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:19:21 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Austral spanners (for the aussies)
In-Reply-To: <BC3D4FD42F8145FE92393D3DFEE9672B@PML>
References: <008401c94ea5$060597d0$210110ac@Chester>
	<BC3D4FD42F8145FE92393D3DFEE9672B@PML>
Message-ID: <6ECAE0C8D75641E39BEA4A45B0DD07F1@PML>

Hi again. A quick look through the books has not revealed anything about
what tools were shipped with the engine. Most of the price lists simply say
'tools' are shipped with the engine. There is a note by Peter in the
Register stating that the 'Snail' brand spanners usually had 'Made in
England' on the reverse side.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

  _____  

 

Hi Chester,

            I don't remember seeing a list of what tools were shipped with
the engines but I will look through my material and see what is there. I
suspect they would have been shipped with the appropriate sizes to deal with
bolts and nuts that needed occasional adjusting, such as bearing caps &
possibly one for the wheel stays.

Patrick

 

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

  _____  

Hi guys, can anyone tell me what size snail brand spanners came with a 8hp
Austral originally, cheers from West Aussie,

Chester.



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 24 21:41:56 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:41:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic/now even more
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081125005657.02351488@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081125005657.02351488@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <1227591716.492b9024001b5@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Jerry,

Quoting Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za>:
> By the way Dave and Arnie, did I mention that I picked up another 
> Maytag recently ? <grin>.

Getting the boat ready to go fishing were you?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie




From enginepaul at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 22:04:09 2008
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:04:09 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic/now even more
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20081125005657.02351488@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <mailman.3.1227546002.8534.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<5.2.1.1.2.20081125005657.02351488@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0811242204r32c4b493y22e88c01ab443441@mail.gmail.com>

"...our previous coach decided to ignore government directives and
selected players "on merit" as opposed to "by colour". He was "got rid of"
just after we won the World Cup last year (we cannot have these
rascists  now can we). He was replaced by someone of a colour "more
acceptable" to government."

OK, I got it now. It's some sort of a political thing.

Paul in SanFran - and a proud owner of two Maytag Engines

PS: From the sounds of things, I'm too pretty to play Rugby


From enginepaul at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 22:07:35 2008
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (P. Johns)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:07:35 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Totally off topic
In-Reply-To: <007a01c94e69$e430dd30$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20081123234922.00c43a10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<1227535937.492ab641aa85a@webmail.city-net.com>
	<8d3c36fb0811240850i48dbc6c3odd232e705544999c@mail.gmail.com>
	<007a01c94e69$e430dd30$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <8d3c36fb0811242207x291bab67o21926c2c8900064@mail.gmail.com>

LOL:

> Is it anything like rugburn  ?


I hope not - that sounds rough!


From ashpow at westnet.com.au  Mon Nov 24 22:20:50 2008
From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (Ash Powell)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:20:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re. First engines
Message-ID: <47693E7ABE4740578A48958B9B238492@MINIBEAST>

Thanks for the welcome everyone, im impressed with the friendliness and passion in this scene.
I'm in Armidale NSW, there's a local club which I plan to join which is very active and again has many helpful friendly members.

I'm not sure what condition these engines are in but the seller says they are complete, that's good enough for me.

This week is really dragging on while I wait to collect them!

If anyone is near Taree and has something they want to sell then please let me know, I may as well make a big trip of this ;p)

Arnie - many Sheila's but my girlfriend wouldn't appreciate it...ha-ha
I'm with you on the resto style too, I prefer the "light" option generally, unless it looks messy.
That was the approach I took with one of my T125's. (now for sale to make way/make funds for the engines)
>From this - http://members.westnet.com.au/ashpow/t125/t125-3.jpg
To this - http://members.westnet.com.au/ashpow/t125/t125-4.jpg
Just cleaned, buffed, derusted etc.

Anyway, ill post up some pics later in the week when I pick these things up.

Cheers
Ash

From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 23:50:46 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:50:46 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Austral spanners (for the aussies)
In-Reply-To: <008401c94ea5$060597d0$210110ac@Chester>
References: <008401c94ea5$060597d0$210110ac@Chester>
Message-ID: <6f6025160811242350m35d2d464pc02251e7626b159a@mail.gmail.com>

On 25/11/2008, Chester Smith <edwards_service at westnet.com.au> wrote:
> Hi guys, can anyone tell me what size snail brand spanners came with a 8hp
> Austral originally, cheers from West Aussie,
> Chester.

We got together an almost full set of Whitworth spanners for Dave
Rotigel's Austral this last summer. To be correct, they should only
have Whitworth sizes marked, as the combined Whitworth/BSF markings
were introduced in WWII and would be later than most Austral engines.

Snail brand spanners do appear quite regularly over here in the UK,
and I think I saw their old place in Sheffield while doing an
installation at one of the hospitals a year or so back.

The ones that we got for Dave were unbranded.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 25 06:39:26 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:39:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re. First engines
In-Reply-To: <47693E7ABE4740578A48958B9B238492@MINIBEAST>
Message-ID: <888265.75703.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Ash,
Nice job on that bike.
I am anxious to see what you do for the engines.

Alan in Michigan


--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Ash Powell <ashpow at westnet.com.au> wrote:

> From: Ash Powell <ashpow at westnet.com.au>
> Subject: [SEL] Re. First engines
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 1:20 AM
> Thanks for the welcome everyone, im impressed with the
> friendliness and passion in this scene.
> I'm in Armidale NSW, there's a local club which I
> plan to join which is very active and again has many helpful
> friendly members.
> 
> I'm not sure what condition these engines are in but
> the seller says they are complete, that's good enough
> for me.
> 
> This week is really dragging on while I wait to collect
> them!
> 
> If anyone is near Taree and has something they want to sell
> then please let me know, I may as well make a big trip of
> this ;p)
> 
> Arnie - many Sheila's but my girlfriend wouldn't
> appreciate it...ha-ha
> I'm with you on the resto style too, I prefer the
> "light" option generally, unless it looks messy.
> That was the approach I took with one of my T125's.
> (now for sale to make way/make funds for the engines)
> >From this -
> http://members.westnet.com.au/ashpow/t125/t125-3.jpg
> To this -
> http://members.westnet.com.au/ashpow/t125/t125-4.jpg
> Just cleaned, buffed, derusted etc.
> 
> Anyway, ill post up some pics later in the week when I pick
> these things up.
> 
> Cheers
> Ash
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Nov 25 06:59:08 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:59:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tales of the Olde Iron Express
Message-ID: <1227625148.492c12bcf29f9@webmail.city-net.com>

Mornin' Folks,

Some years ago a list member requested help from the SEL Olde Iron Express to
get an engine moved across most of the country.  It finally (after MANY legs)
ended up at Coolspring where engine and new owner came together.

The REALLY cool thing was that some of the players did up a US map with each leg
of the engine's travels in a different color.  That was given as a pressie to
the new owner.

Does anyone remember who it was that got that engine?  And for extra credit,
what was the engine?  Does anyone have a pic of the "final presentation" of map
and engine to the new owner?

I'm thinking that it might have been Luke Tonnebeger who was the new owner?
ISTR it took the better part of a year to complete it's journey.  Neat stuff.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com






From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Tue Nov 25 10:03:35 2008
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:03:35 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Tales of the Olde Iron Express
References: <1227625148.492c12bcf29f9@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c94f28$23e4c090$3a290556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 2:59 PM
Subject: [SEL] Tales of the Olde Iron Express


> Mornin' Folks,
> Some years ago a list member requested help from the SEL Olde Iron Express to
> get an engine moved across most of the country.  It finally (after MANY legs)
> ended up at Coolspring where engine and new owner came together.
> The REALLY cool thing was that some of the players did up a US map with each leg
> of the engine's travels in a different color.  That was given as a pressie to
> the new owner.
> Does anyone remember who it was that got that engine?  And for extra credit,
> what was the engine?  Does anyone have a pic of the "final presentation" of map
> and engine to the new owner?
> I'm thinking that it might have been Luke Tonnebeger who was the new owner?
> ISTR it took the better part of a year to complete it's journey.  Neat stuff.
> See ya,  Arnie
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA

Hi Arnie, If you remember I tried a symbolic sketch of the ATIS
transport system. Still on my Webshots at 
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2600227670028520097PJRjwH
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 25 11:00:23 2008
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:00:23 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Tales of the Olde Iron Express
In-Reply-To: <1227625148.492c12bcf29f9@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1227625148.492c12bcf29f9@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BLU135-W18590145677D10E5361190C80B0@phx.gbl>


Sorry Arnie. Don't think it was me. Never been to Coolspring and don't have have a map like that.
 
 
Here is a pic of a 'final presentation' that took place five years ago at Portland. This little engine traveled half way around the world.
 
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port03/port03-22.jpg
 
Luke Tonneberger
 
Rockford, Michigan
 
USA 
===================================> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:59:08 -0500> From: fero_ah at city-net.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: [SEL] Tales of the Olde Iron Express> > Mornin' Folks,> > Some years ago a list member requested help from the SEL Olde Iron Express to> get an engine moved across most of the country. It finally (after MANY legs)> ended up at Coolspring where engine and new owner came together.> > The REALLY cool thing was that some of the players did up a US map with each leg> of the engine's travels in a different color. That was given as a pressie to> the new owner.> > Does anyone remember who it was that got that engine? And for extra credit,> what was the engine? Does anyone have a pic of the "final presentation" of map> and engine to the new owner?> > I'm thinking that it might have been Luke Tonnebeger who was the new owner?> ISTR it took the better part of a year to complete it's journey. Neat stuff.> > See ya, Arnie> > Arnie Fero> Pittsburgh, PA> fero_ah at city-net.com> > > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Nov 25 12:47:00 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:47:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tales of the Olde Iron Express
In-Reply-To: <BLU135-W18590145677D10E5361190C80B0@phx.gbl>
References: <1227625148.492c12bcf29f9@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BLU135-W18590145677D10E5361190C80B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1227646020.492c64444aa3a@webmail.city-net.com>

Ahhh, I remember that one.  That's the Mery isn't it?  Lovely bit of work
there.

Hopefully someone will remember the transfer.  I'm sure that Dave will.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com>:

> Sorry Arnie. Don't think it was me. Never been to Coolspring and don't have
> have a map like that.
>  
> Here is a pic of a 'final presentation' that took place five years ago at
> Portland. This little engine traveled half way around the world.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port03/port03-22.jpg




From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 25 13:09:00 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:09:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] BIG IHC  Engines ?
Message-ID: <001c01c94f42$0a256af0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

A buddy of mine in Tennessee has found himself with a hankering for a big IHC . 

reply to: Patrick Marsh 
mtnman37879 at hotmail.com


   
    I'm wanting an 8hp-15hp IHC Screen cooled Titan. I don't have cash but I do have LOTS of trading material. 
  Waterloo Boy 2hp battery ignition older restoration
  Sandwich ?Tulip Top? 1 ? hp with magneto older restoration
  IH type M needs restored
  Two Baker ?Monitor? pump jack engines need restoration
  Two different B&S exposed rocker engines
  Thompson Engine Company very small (like a toy) Original
  5hp Hercules with magneto un-restored runs
  12 hp Witte oil field engine
  Model T Ford power unit on a wooden wagon with steel wheels 
   
  ALSO,
  Indian artifatcs, Civil War Artifacts, Guns and a Model T Ford.
   
  Do you know anyone in the trading mood? Patrick




From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Tue Nov 25 13:34:42 2008
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:34:42 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Brock where are you
In-Reply-To: <A659417B-ADF9-4909-92DA-43EF09942E97@internode.on.net>
References: <AE40AFB4875B44C4A748655875546227@armstrong>
	<A659417B-ADF9-4909-92DA-43EF09942E97@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <75EE28A409134C158D18E04E219A4B7C@KerryPC>

Anyone know Brock Summerfield's email
brock at netspeed.com.au bounces

Thanks

Kerry


From camaned at iinet.net.au  Tue Nov 25 14:47:39 2008
From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:47:39 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Brock where are you
In-Reply-To: <75EE28A409134C158D18E04E219A4B7C@KerryPC>
References: <AE40AFB4875B44C4A748655875546227@armstrong><A659417B-ADF9-4909-92DA-43EF09942E97@internode.on.net>
	<75EE28A409134C158D18E04E219A4B7C@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <43348A59644441ED9E415023893911F3@CamPC>

Kerry that is the one I have, maybe his mailbox is full. 
Cam

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 8:34 AM
Subject: [SEL] Brock where are you


> Anyone know Brock Summerfield's email
> brock at netspeed.com.au bounces
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Kerry
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From camaned at iinet.net.au  Tue Nov 25 20:33:48 2008
From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:33:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Brock where are you
In-Reply-To: <75EE28A409134C158D18E04E219A4B7C@KerryPC>
References: <AE40AFB4875B44C4A748655875546227@armstrong><A659417B-ADF9-4909-92DA-43EF09942E97@internode.on.net>
	<75EE28A409134C158D18E04E219A4B7C@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <91670DA34D9843D2988B18F7D60AD70E@CamPC>

Kerry I sent an email to Brock and it didn't bounce. 
     Cam.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 8:34 AM
Subject: [SEL] Brock where are you


> Anyone know Brock Summerfield's email
> brock at netspeed.com.au bounces
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Kerry
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Nov 25 23:05:35 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:05:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Tales of the Olde Iron Express
In-Reply-To: <1227625148.492c12bcf29f9@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1227625148.492c12bcf29f9@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <DCF60694D0FB4E8593AFDDF4BE14A260@PML>

My little R&V made it all the way to Australia thanks to the SEL Olde Iron
Express. Its journey is documented here:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rv1hp.html
 

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

-----Original Message-----

Mornin' Folks,

Some years ago a list member requested help from the SEL Olde Iron Express
to
get an engine moved across most of the country.  It finally (after MANY
legs)
ended up at Coolspring where engine and new owner came together.

The REALLY cool thing was that some of the players did up a US map with each
leg
of the engine's travels in a different color.  That was given as a pressie
to
the new owner.

Does anyone remember who it was that got that engine?  And for extra credit,
what was the engine?  Does anyone have a pic of the "final presentation" of
map
and engine to the new owner?

I'm thinking that it might have been Luke Tonnebeger who was the new owner?
ISTR it took the better part of a year to complete it's journey.  Neat
stuff.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




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From edwards_service at westnet.com.au  Tue Nov 25 23:19:13 2008
From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (Chester Smith)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:19:13 +0900
Subject: [SEL] Austral spanners (for the aussies)
References: <008401c94ea5$060597d0$210110ac@Chester>
	<BC3D4FD42F8145FE92393D3DFEE9672B@PML>
	<00cc01c94ebc$45b1d3f0$210110ac@Chester>
	<D8182084A31141A78CA41CA4A9F0269A@PML>
Message-ID: <00c701c94f97$49fd1ab0$210110ac@Chester>


  Thanks everyone for your replys, cheers,
  Chester.


From ashpow at westnet.com.au  Wed Nov 26 03:20:32 2008
From: ashpow at westnet.com.au (Ash Powell)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:20:32 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp
Message-ID: <574580C5CDE14DDEA771E17A31B812E1@MINIBEAST>

Hey all,

Well I picked up my first project today, Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp.
It looks to be in reasonable nick and is complete.
Hope you don't mind me flooding you with questions already.. ;p)

There's a bit of rust in the water jacket but it should tidy up, im a fan of phosphoric acid for eating rust - can anyone see an issue with using this to eat the rust out of the inside?

Its seized, ive got it filled with penetrant.
Can you offer any tips on freeing it up without damaging it?

The head has been taken off and the gasket is missing - how do you source these?
Make them?

Also its missing a head stud, I think I can get one machined pretty easily.

Any advice appreciated!
Here's a pic for you - http://members.westnet.com.au/ashpow/engines/moffat.jpg

Cheers,
Ash

From page at velocitynet.com.au  Wed Nov 26 03:45:26 2008
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:45:26 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp
In-Reply-To: <574580C5CDE14DDEA771E17A31B812E1@MINIBEAST>
Message-ID: <003901c94fbc$799a4890$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Hi Ash

Looks in pretty good nick.  For your head gasket try Vintage Engine Spares
at 41 Richards St, Loganlea, Qld 4131.  They advertise in TOMM.  Also, if
you give them the engine number they may be able to date it for you.

Ron
Canberra 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ash Powell
Sent: Wednesday, 26 November 2008 10:21 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp

Hey all,

Well I picked up my first project today, Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp.
It looks to be in reasonable nick and is complete.
Hope you don't mind me flooding you with questions already.. ;p)

There's a bit of rust in the water jacket but it should tidy up, im a fan of
phosphoric acid for eating rust - can anyone see an issue with using this to
eat the rust out of the inside?

Its seized, ive got it filled with penetrant.
Can you offer any tips on freeing it up without damaging it?

The head has been taken off and the gasket is missing - how do you source
these?
Make them?

Also its missing a head stud, I think I can get one machined pretty easily.

Any advice appreciated!
Here's a pic for you -
http://members.westnet.com.au/ashpow/engines/moffat.jpg

Cheers,
Ash
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Nov 26 07:47:49 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:47:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tales of the Olde Iron Express
In-Reply-To: <DCF60694D0FB4E8593AFDDF4BE14A260@PML>
References: <1227625148.492c12bcf29f9@webmail.city-net.com>
	<DCF60694D0FB4E8593AFDDF4BE14A260@PML>
Message-ID: <1227714469.492d6fa52b8c2@webmail.city-net.com>

BRILLIANT Patrick!!  That's GOTTA be a record for "longest distance traveled" on
the Olde Iron Express!!

Quoting Patrick M Livingstone <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>:

> My little R&V made it all the way to Australia thanks to the SEL Olde Iron
> Express. Its journey is documented here:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/rv1hp.html




From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Nov 26 08:00:44 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:00:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL]  OT:  Tennessee to Texas 5th wheel needed.  OT!
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811201215s2c4a9dbdn5ca5128c5f228967@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <6f6025160811201215s2c4a9dbdn5ca5128c5f228967@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081126105723.02f4dc40@pop3.wcoil.com>

Relation of mine needs a 5th  wheel 38' camper  towed to Dallas Texas from 
Knoxville Tennessee.  Know anyone doing that kinda stuff?     Mark



Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, Ohio 45817
Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
Home #419.358.5206





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Nov 26 09:03:34 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:03:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp
In-Reply-To: <574580C5CDE14DDEA771E17A31B812E1@MINIBEAST>
References: <574580C5CDE14DDEA771E17A31B812E1@MINIBEAST>
Message-ID: <1227719014.492d8166f278c@webmail.city-net.com>

Damn Ash, that looks HEAVY!  Better get it on wheels!  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Ash Powell <ashpow at westnet.com.au>:

> Here's a pic for you -
> http://members.westnet.com.au/ashpow/engines/moffat.jpg




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 26 09:32:05 2008
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:32:05 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <491243A9159E4275BA5F163679C0CE2A@PML>
References: <491243A9159E4275BA5F163679C0CE2A@PML>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W293FCFFEA5FE317838654EC80A0@phx.gbl>


Interesting picture here:
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/pages/100-0078_IMG_JPG.htm
 
appears to be a Stover with the Wico EK mag on backwards.
 
Nice pics. Thanks for taking them and putting them up.
Luke Tonneberger
 
Rockford, Michigan
 
USA ==============================================> From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au> > Thanks to Cam, here are some pics from the Bombala rally from a couple of> weeks ago:> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm> > > Patrick M Livingstone> Leichhardt NSW> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Nov 26 09:57:34 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:57:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W293FCFFEA5FE317838654EC80A0@phx.gbl>
References: <491243A9159E4275BA5F163679C0CE2A@PML>
	<BAY127-W293FCFFEA5FE317838654EC80A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1227722254.492d8e0e80baa@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey Luke,  This is Oz.  If they don't put their US-made mags on backwards they
won't get spark.  It's similar to how the toilets in the southern hemisphere
flush the other way round.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com>:

> Interesting picture here:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/pages/100-0078_IMG_JPG.htm
> appears to be a Stover with the Wico EK mag on backwards.




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Nov 26 10:08:35 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:08:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W293FCFFEA5FE317838654EC80A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <EF48F87A5A284966A73481061F33D369@tommyd0x52gkco>

Must be built in Mexico.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Interesting picture here:
 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/pages/100-0078_IMG_JPG.ht
m
 
appears to be a Stover with the Wico EK mag on backwards.
 
Nice pics. Thanks for taking them and putting them up.
Luke Tonneberger
 




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Nov 26 10:08:48 2008
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:08:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
Message-ID: <20081126.100848.1648.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

You have to do that down under or the engine runs backwards. <VBG>
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:32:05 +0000 Luke Tonneberger
<flywheelin at hotmail.com> writes:
> 
> Interesting picture here:
>  
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/pages/100-0078_IMG_JPG.htm
>  
> appears to be a Stover with the Wico EK mag on backwards.
>  
> Nice pics. Thanks for taking them and putting them up.
> Luke Tonneberger
>  
> Rockford, Michigan
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From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Wed Nov 26 14:07:44 2008
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:07:44 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp
References: <574580C5CDE14DDEA771E17A31B812E1@MINIBEAST>
Message-ID: <001d01c95013$68922a20$0201010a@JBCooper>

Hi Ash,
This is a good beginners engine, It would have had a 32 volt generator on 
the mounting plate.
Good luck.
John,
 Bega..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ash Powell" <ashpow at westnet.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:20 PM
Subject: [SEL] Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp


>
> Hey all,
>
> Well I picked up my first project today, Moffat-Virtue 2 1/4hp.
> It looks to be in reasonable nick and is complete.
> Hope you don't mind me flooding you with questions already.. ;p)
>
> There's a bit of rust in the water jacket but it should tidy up, im a fan 
> of phosphoric acid for eating rust - can anyone see an issue with using 
> this to eat the rust out of the inside?
>
> Its seized, ive got it filled with penetrant.
> Can you offer any tips on freeing it up without damaging it?
>
> The head has been taken off and the gasket is missing - how do you source 
> these?
> Make them?
>
> Also its missing a head stud, I think I can get one machined pretty 
> easily.
>
> Any advice appreciated!
> Here's a pic for you - 
> http://members.westnet.com.au/ashpow/engines/moffat.jpg
>
> Cheers,
> Ash
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From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Wed Nov 26 14:11:02 2008
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:11:02 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
References: <491243A9159E4275BA5F163679C0CE2A@PML>
	<BAY127-W293FCFFEA5FE317838654EC80A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003601c95013$dee79750$0201010a@JBCooper>

Hi Luke,
Maybe you do things different over there. Mag is the right way for us.
John,
Bega, Oz.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: "Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 4:32 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bombala Pics


>
>
> Interesting picture here:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/pages/100-0078_IMG_JPG.htm
>
> appears to be a Stover with the Wico EK mag on backwards.
>
> Nice pics. Thanks for taking them and putting them up.
> Luke Tonneberger
>
> Rockford, Michigan
>
> USA ==============================================> From: 
> pml1 at bigpond.net.au> > Thanks to Cam, here are some pics from the Bombala 
> rally from a couple of> weeks ago:> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm> > > Patrick M 
> Livingstone> Leichhardt NSW> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
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From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Wed Nov 26 14:17:49 2008
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:17:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
References: <491243A9159E4275BA5F163679C0CE2A@PML>
Message-ID: <004301c95014$d177b0e0$0201010a@JBCooper>

Hi Patrick,
Great pictures. Pity my Cooper Little Wonder missed out.
John,
Bega, Oz.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 4:24 PM
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics


>
> Thanks to Cam, here are some pics from the Bombala rally from a couple of
> weeks ago:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>
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From ilifa at internode.on.net  Wed Nov 26 15:07:22 2008
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:07:22 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W293FCFFEA5FE317838654EC80A0@phx.gbl>
References: <491243A9159E4275BA5F163679C0CE2A@PML>
	<BAY127-W293FCFFEA5FE317838654EC80A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E32CAFE3-4F94-46EC-9C2F-465BB583B62A@internode.on.net>


  Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> appears to be a Stover with the Wico EK mag on backwards.

I would have to agree with that. Can't say I have ever seen one  
mounted that way before on any engine. Is it a home made fitting?

Eric


From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 26 15:31:48 2008
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:31:48 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <004301c95014$d177b0e0$0201010a@JBCooper>
Message-ID: <004b01c9501f$28457a60$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>

Neat pix!  I'm curious tho what the machines are in 070 & 075.  075
maybe a hay press?  

Lew near Waco, TX USA 


----- Original Message ----- 


>
> Thanks to Cam, here are some pics from the Bombala rally from a couple
of
> weeks ago:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm
>
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> Leichhardt NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 26 15:47:17 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:47:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <004b01c9501f$28457a60$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>
References: <004301c95014$d177b0e0$0201010a@JBCooper>
	<004b01c9501f$28457a60$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <COL112-W537BAB3D808F2C14271C89950A0@phx.gbl>


Great pics guys,  Just wondering  what 108 and 109  are also, Kind of look like a John Lauson? Does anybody know? thanks Steve>Pics> > Neat pix! I'm curious tho what the machines are in 070 & 075. 075> maybe a hay press? > > Lew near Waco, TX USA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > Thanks to Cam, here are some pics from the Bombala rally from a couple> of> > weeks ago:> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm> >> >> > Patrick M Livingstone> > Leichhardt NSW> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
_________________________________________________________________
Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email.
http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 

From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Nov 26 17:57:01 2008
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:57:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
References: <004301c95014$d177b0e0$0201010a@JBCooper><004b01c9501f$28457a60$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>
	<COL112-W537BAB3D808F2C14271C89950A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <72FFA9BEA0A9496AB93D5B607B0FBB06@tommydk7hxjr4h>

That is a John Lauson Steve.  I've seen that engine before on some show web 
pages.  Its a throttler.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bombala Pics


>
> Great pics guys,  Just wondering  what 108 and 109  are also, Kind of look 
> like a John Lauson? Does anybody know? thanks Steve>Pics> > Neat pix! I'm 
> curious tho what the machines are in 070 & 075. 075> maybe a hay press? > 
>  > Lew near Waco, TX USA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > 
> Thanks to Cam, here are some pics from the Bombala rally from a couple> 
> of> > weeks ago:> > 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm> >> >> > Patrick 
> M Livingstone> > Leichhardt NSW> > 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html> > > 
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 21:44:22 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 05:44:22 +0000
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <6f6025160811262144q28b2e017q6531dd8f994a3fed@mail.gmail.com>

We are trying to get hold of some 7/16" NF (UNF) dome nuts,
prefereably in Stainless Steel but Mild Steel would be OK.

Our Nut & Bolt supplier is quoting 'silly' money to bring them in from
the States, has anyone got a good local supplier than they can buy
these from?

Ship to Gilbert AZ or direct to us in the UK.

Need 20 or 30 of them, stainless would be preferred, grade not important.

Thanks,

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Wed Nov 26 21:59:16 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:59:16 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <004b01c9501f$28457a60$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>
References: <004301c95014$d177b0e0$0201010a@JBCooper>
	<004b01c9501f$28457a60$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <D4CAFB6A6FF745C3B5F2DE1A8F955B74@PML>

Hi Lew,
	70 look like a big Chaff cutter and 75 is a hay baler/press.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

-----Original Message-----


Neat pix!  I'm curious tho what the machines are in 070 & 075.  075
maybe a hay press?  

Lew near Waco, TX USA 





From camaned at iinet.net.au  Wed Nov 26 22:04:10 2008
From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:04:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <004301c95014$d177b0e0$0201010a@JBCooper>
References: <491243A9159E4275BA5F163679C0CE2A@PML>
	<004301c95014$d177b0e0$0201010a@JBCooper>
Message-ID: <64FE13EDD7774097B3D999868A3D1F1B@CamPC>

Sorry John, I didn't have a lot of space on the camera, I remember your 
Little Wonder well maybe next time I'm down there I'll get.
Cheers Cam


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John & Beryl Cooper" <cooperjb at aapt.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bombala Pics


> Hi Patrick,
> Great pictures. Pity my Cooper Little Wonder missed out.
> John,
> Bega, Oz.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
> "Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 4:24 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
>
>
>>
>> Thanks to Cam, here are some pics from the Bombala rally from a couple of
>> weeks ago:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm
>>
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>
>>
>>
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From camaned at iinet.net.au  Wed Nov 26 22:10:56 2008
From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:10:56 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <004b01c9501f$28457a60$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>
References: <004b01c9501f$28457a60$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <20B2494311054F3D86E266E231AF0F23@CamPC>

Lew No 75 is a baler and No 70 is an early Chaff Cutter. Cheers Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lew Best" <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bombala Pics


> Neat pix!  I'm curious tho what the machines are in 070 & 075.  075
> maybe a hay press?  
> 
> Lew near Waco, TX USA 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> 
>>
>> Thanks to Cam, here are some pics from the Bombala rally from a couple
> of
>> weeks ago:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm
>>
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> Leichhardt NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From camaned at iinet.net.au  Wed Nov 26 22:17:20 2008
From: camaned at iinet.net.au (Cam and Ed)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:17:20 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <72FFA9BEA0A9496AB93D5B607B0FBB06@tommydk7hxjr4h>
References: <004301c95014$d177b0e0$0201010a@JBCooper><004b01c9501f$28457a60$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW><COL112-W537BAB3D808F2C14271C89950A0@phx.gbl>
	<72FFA9BEA0A9496AB93D5B607B0FBB06@tommydk7hxjr4h>
Message-ID: <CCD72FDDF92741C790A3A7ABE8E74ABB@CamPC>

Tommy that engine belongs to John Matheson from Eden, he has done a 
beautiful restoration on it.
Cheers Cam.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Bombala Pics


> That is a John Lauson Steve.  I've seen that engine before on some show 
> web
> pages.  Its a throttler.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Bombala Pics
>
>
>>
>> Great pics guys,  Just wondering  what 108 and 109  are also, Kind of 
>> look
>> like a John Lauson? Does anybody know? thanks Steve>Pics> > Neat pix! I'm
>> curious tho what the machines are in 070 & 075. 075> maybe a hay press? >
>>  > Lew near Waco, TX USA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> >
>> Thanks to Cam, here are some pics from the Bombala rally from a couple>
>> of> > weeks ago:> >
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm> >> >> > Patrick
>> M Livingstone> > Leichhardt NSW> >
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html> > >
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Nov 26 22:33:16 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:33:16 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Nuts for Peter F.
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811262144q28b2e017q6531dd8f994a3fed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160811262144q28b2e017q6531dd8f994a3fed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B0B72694-F01D-4307-9DA5-2550B8AFA232@rustyiron.com>


On Nov 26, 2008, at 9:44 PM, Listerdiesel wrote:

> We are trying to get hold of some 7/16" NF (UNF) dome nuts,
> prefereably in Stainless Steel but Mild Steel would be OK.
>
> Our Nut & Bolt supplier is quoting 'silly' money to bring them in from
> the States, has anyone got a good local supplier than they can buy
> these from?
>
> Ship to Gilbert AZ or direct to us in the UK.
>
> Need 20 or 30 of them, stainless would be preferred, grade not  
> important.

Hi Peter,
If I understand your British terminology, you're looking for some  
7/16-20 acorn nuts.  The convenient source would be www.mcmaster.com.

They show 18-8 stainless for $2.56 per nut
Plain steel is $11.45 per pack of 20 nuts.





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Nov 27 09:52:46 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:52:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ellis Horizontal Hopper Cooled Engine
Message-ID: <1227808366.492ede6e9ad86@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I'm trying to gather some info on the Ellis horizontal hopper cooled engines
that were introduced around 1915.  I have a couple of pages of info from a 1915
Ellis catalog and the limited info that's in Wendel's Bible.

Does anyone have any pictures of one of these engines or know anyone who has
one?  I've got a number of pics of the verticals (and would like to own one of
those one day).

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com






From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Nov 27 06:06:47 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:06:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160811262144q28b2e017q6531dd8f994a3fed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEMNHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

Go here:
http://www.mcmaster.com/
and search for "acorn nuts".

They have a number of options as to size, dome height, material, etc. but here are a couple of examples of prices for 7/16-20 nuts.

In stainless, they are a bit dear.........$2.56 US each!  In mild steel(?), they are much more affordable at $11.45 for a pack of 20.

If you see what you want and can't get 'em through "normal" channels, email me privately and I will purchase them and send them to you wherever you like.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:44 PM
> To: Stationary-Engine; The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
> 
> 
> We are trying to get hold of some 7/16" NF (UNF) 
> dome nuts,
> prefereably in Stainless Steel but Mild Steel would be OK.
> 
> Our Nut & Bolt supplier is quoting 'silly' money 
> to bring them in from
> the States, has anyone got a good local supplier 
> than they can buy
> these from?
> 
> Ship to Gilbert AZ or direct to us in the UK.
> 
> Need 20 or 30 of them, stainless would be 
> preferred, grade not important.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Nov 27 23:07:40 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:07:40 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <CCD72FDDF92741C790A3A7ABE8E74ABB@CamPC>
References: <004301c95014$d177b0e0$0201010a@JBCooper><004b01c9501f$28457a60$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW><COL112-W537BAB3D808F2C14271C89950A0@phx.gbl><72FFA9BEA0A9496AB93D5B607B0FBB06@tommydk7hxjr4h>
	<CCD72FDDF92741C790A3A7ABE8E74ABB@CamPC>
Message-ID: <B3FADCFB53104F5FBB852E5848A688A2@PML>

To save confusion, I have finally had a chance to caption the photos :)
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Bombala08/index.htm


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Nov 27 13:48:05 2008
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:48:05 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Brock where are you
In-Reply-To: <75EE28A409134C158D18E04E219A4B7C@KerryPC>
References: <AE40AFB4875B44C4A748655875546227@armstrong>
	<A659417B-ADF9-4909-92DA-43EF09942E97@internode.on.net>
	<75EE28A409134C158D18E04E219A4B7C@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20081128084712.020bb848@ncable.com.au>

Kerry I received an e-mail from Brock only about 8 days ago with the 
e-mail address you show ??


At 08:34 AM 26/11/2008, you wrote:
>Anyone know Brock Summerfield's email
>brock at netspeed.com.au bounces
>
>Thanks
>
>Kerry
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From imatowie at bigpond.com  Thu Nov 27 03:50:34 2008
From: imatowie at bigpond.com (Laurie)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:50:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
References: <6f6025160811262144q28b2e017q6531dd8f994a3fed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c95086$5bcd9810$0100000a@maryeaa332b57f>

Hi Peter,
Just a thought- 7/16 UNF is the size of Holden wheel nuts ( pre 80's). It 
may also  be the same as other GM vehicles sold in Europe, so maybe try a 
tyre shop. You might need to machine them flat, but it may work out a bit 
cheaper.
Regards,
Laurie.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "Stationary-Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "The SEL email 
discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 4:44 PM
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)


> We are trying to get hold of some 7/16" NF (UNF) dome nuts,
> prefereably in Stainless Steel but Mild Steel would be OK.
>
> Our Nut & Bolt supplier is quoting 'silly' money to bring them in from
> the States, has anyone got a good local supplier than they can buy
> these from?
>
> Ship to Gilbert AZ or direct to us in the UK.
>
> Need 20 or 30 of them, stainless would be preferred, grade not important.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 27 05:39:43 2008
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:39:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Bombala Pics
In-Reply-To: <D4CAFB6A6FF745C3B5F2DE1A8F955B74@PML>
Message-ID: <002501c95095$9c527a90$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>

Thanks Patrick

What's a chaff cutter?  Not a term I'm familiar with.

Lew
 

-----Original Message-----
 
Hi Lew,
	70 look like a big Chaff cutter and 75 is a hay baler/press.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From frappi at wcoil.com  Thu Nov 27 07:32:33 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:32:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] HAULING Offered Tennessee to points north along Interstate 75
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081127102634.02fdd230@pop3.wcoil.com>

Sometime the first part of next week Dec1-3rd not sure which day yet,  I 
will be in the Knoxville Tennessee area with an empty Van and maybe my 
trailer 6X8 flat deck trailer and can haul to points north along the 
Interstate 75 corridore. My end destination is of course Bluffton, 
Northwest part of Ohio.  Call if you need something hauled. 419.516.2996

                             Mark Shulaw





From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Nov 28 05:30:23 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:30:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Ebay sale items - interesting
Message-ID: <FC8BECFCBE0E44BC8C32DC6F71BC583A@PETER>

Couple of interesting items on Ebay, I have never seen these before but you guys in the US might think they are common.

Ebay item numbers  400012814487   &  220319864116

Peter, Oz

From Jim at hardmanfamily.net  Fri Nov 28 14:56:45 2008
From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:56:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ebay sale items - interesting
In-Reply-To: <FC8BECFCBE0E44BC8C32DC6F71BC583A@PETER>
References: <FC8BECFCBE0E44BC8C32DC6F71BC583A@PETER>
Message-ID: <3D017F6F4A414B8DAD3FA4EFC55F45BC@JamesDesktop>

The Sootless plug (auction 400012814487) is a home made affair;  Oaks & Dow 
never offered priming plugs or caged plugs with separate primers.  These 
brass and mica plugs were patented in 1905 and had a porcelain insulator 
from the flange down to the points... a functional design.  Priming plugs 
were popular in 1905-1915, but this is spurious, a recent assembly for the 
eBay audience.

The Champion Primer (auction 220319864116) is relatively common, but surely 
not common in the box.  This appears to be a used plug, note the change in 
thread appearance and the nicked-up shell (body).  The box is probably as 
valuable as the plug.  I guess it was common practice to put the used plug 
back into the box when installing a new plug.

Gasoline was generally used for priming, but it was not a cure-all.  Early 
gas stocks perhaps lacked adequate volatile upper end fractions;  it was 
accepted that in really cold weather, priming might not help.  Friends in 
Wooster, Ohio report that natural gas well pumpers would often build a fire 
under the cylinder overhang to warm things up on a cold morning.

Peace from chilly Vermont...  Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine.org" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:30 AM
Subject: [SEL] Ebay sale items - interesting


> Couple of interesting items on Ebay, I have never seen these before but 
> you guys in the US might think they are common.
>
> Ebay item numbers  400012814487   &  220319864116
>
> Peter, Oz
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Nov 28 15:01:21 2008
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:01:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: Slick Willy Forum OT:
In-Reply-To: <FC8BECFCBE0E44BC8C32DC6F71BC583A@PETER>
References: <FC8BECFCBE0E44BC8C32DC6F71BC583A@PETER>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.1.20081128175952.0345c150@pop3.wcoil.com>

Could someone be so kind as to pass on the slick will forum info. Off list 
please.


Mark & Christine Shulaw
454 Co. Rd. 33
Bluffton, Ohio 45817
Email: Frappi at wcoil.com
Home #419.358.5206





From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 28 16:34:50 2008
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:34:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Ebay sale items - interesting
In-Reply-To: <FC8BECFCBE0E44BC8C32DC6F71BC583A@PETER>
Message-ID: <004b01c951ba$4c9b41a0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>

I've never seen anything like them

Lew near Waco, TX

-----Original Message-----
 
Couple of interesting items on Ebay, I have never seen these before but
you guys in the US might think they are common.

Ebay item numbers  400012814487   &  220319864116

Peter, Oz




From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Fri Nov 28 23:48:56 2008
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:48:56 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Two New Toys for Xmas
Message-ID: <001e01c951f6$efb745a0$30bb693a@fred>

My son gave himself and me 2 Engines for Xmas.
12 HP. Blackstone and 8 HP Stationary Blackstone.
Next year is going to be Great!!
Photos now on webshots under 12HP & 8 HP..link below,
 
Brian Watts (03) 97266147
briwatt at optusnet.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat

From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Nov 29 00:04:23 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:04:23 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: House Rebuild
Message-ID: <6f6025160811290004o31977da3he871b1c9377dff37@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Guys & Gals:

Sorry to be a bit out of touch over the past few days, we have just
had the roof off the whole of the house, and a new one is being built
as I type.

We have the rearmost section of the house still in use, but as the
bathroom and our bedroom are in the older section, we have had to
sleep under canvas (actually blue engine sheets!) for the past few
nights, and using the bathroom is a little chilly in the morning!

The crane and the new roof trusses arrived at 07.45 yesterday morning,
and by 10.30 we had the new trusses in place. By 16.30 they had all
been fixed into place and roofing felt put over, with sheets covering
the gable ends, which have to be rebuilt (the old structure was almost
all wooden)

The big advantage of the new roof is that is will give us a 16ft
square 'room' in the attic for storage, something we didn't have with
the old house as the roof was 'very' unconventional.

We have a series of pictures of the work and will post them on the
websites as soon as we have time.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From ilifa at internode.on.net  Sat Nov 29 00:27:45 2008
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:27:45 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Two New Toys for Xmas
In-Reply-To: <001e01c951f6$efb745a0$30bb693a@fred>
References: <001e01c951f6$efb745a0$30bb693a@fred>
Message-ID: <7E7CA8D7-826D-4AA5-A8F1-395B75D58DC5@internode.on.net>

Brian, you describe one or your Blackstones as a hybrid. Could you  
please tell me what that means? This may be stating the obvious, but I  
am no Blackstone expert!

Eric


From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Nov 29 07:11:59 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:11:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Ebay sale items - interesting
In-Reply-To: <004b01c951ba$4c9b41a0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEOCHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Lew:

The first item is simply a period spark plug and priming cup that are in place in what looks to be an original valve access plug.  The plugs were used in headless L head engines so the valves could be removed.  I think the item is sorta mis-described.

The second item may be a modified spark plug with the added priming cup.  I don't know if Champion ever made a plug like that.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Lew Best
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 06:35 PM
> To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay sale items - interesting
> 
> 
> I've never seen anything like them
> 
> Lew near Waco, TX
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>  
> Couple of interesting items on Ebay, I have never 
> seen these before but
> you guys in the US might think they are common.
> 
> Ebay item numbers  400012814487   &  220319864116
> 
> Peter, Oz




From kimmell at verizon.net  Sat Nov 29 07:31:12 2008
From: kimmell at verizon.net (Tony & Jackie)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:31:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Mcmaster-Carr
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEMNHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <6f6025160811262144q28b2e017q6531dd8f994a3fed@mail.gmail.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEMNHKAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <0KB3003AZPQW8BM9@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>

Speaking of McMaster-Carr... if anyone ever needs something from them 
and can't seem to get it, let me know.  I drive a semi-truck in 
Chicago and make deliveries to their warehouse in Elmhurst Illinois 
at least 3-4 times a week.  I can always pick up stuff at their 
will-call counter while I'm there.

-Tony


At 08:06 AM 11/27/2008, Elden DuRand wrote:
>Go here:
>http://www.mcmaster.com/
>and search for "acorn nuts".
>
>They have a number of options as to size, dome height, material, 
>etc. but here are a couple of examples of prices for 7/16-20 nuts.
>
>In stainless, they are a bit dear.........$2.56 US each!  In mild 
>steel(?), they are much more affordable at $11.45 for a pack of 20.
>
>If you see what you want and can't get 'em through "normal" 
>channels, email me privately and I will purchase them and send them 
>to you wherever you like.




From toadhill at aeroinc.net  Sat Nov 29 07:50:28 2008
From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe&Jewel Maurer)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:50:28 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Cooper Stover
Message-ID: <AD2939C558BD4FED871E93A6FBEA823D@joe5599c86d812>

If you provide the serial # of the Cooper Stover I may be able to tell you the shipping info on it if it was made in the USA. 

Joe  toadhill at aeroinc.net

From gastzt at aol.com  Sat Nov 29 16:22:48 2008
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:22:48 EST
Subject: [SEL] Cooper Stover
Message-ID: <cb2.47d5b460.366336d8@aol.com>

ooooo-   just love those old stovers---just got a  8hp---just about ready to 
run it after a restore---fun machines!!!!  The  other 3 still going!!!!
 Stan Zettner
Pleasanton, Texas----usa
 
 
In a message dated 11/29/2008 10:15:13 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
toadhill at aeroinc.net writes:

If you  provide the serial # of the Cooper Stover I may be able to tell you 
the  shipping info on it if it was made in the USA. 

Joe   toadhill at aeroinc.net
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From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Sat Nov 29 19:53:22 2008
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:53:22 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Two New Toys for Xmas
References: <001e01c951f6$efb745a0$30bb693a@fred>
	<7E7CA8D7-826D-4AA5-A8F1-395B75D58DC5@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <009c01c9529f$32d1ae90$30bb693a@fred>

Hi Eric,
Around 1923 Blackstone started making Diesel engs. Some old time farmers 
still wanted the Hot Bulb Lamp Start type so several Diesel Eng. Blocks were 
fitted with the old type Hot Bulb,these were only made for about 3 years and 
have a different cyl.head and the cyl.and base are one casting.
Brian

David Watts (03) 87616332
damewatt at bigpond.com

Brian Watts (03) 97266147
briwatt at optusnet.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Schulz" <ilifa at internode.on.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Two New Toys for Xmas


> Brian, you describe one or your Blackstones as a hybrid. Could you
> please tell me what that means? This may be stating the obvious, but I
> am no Blackstone expert!
>
> Eric
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From ilifa at internode.on.net  Sat Nov 29 21:21:57 2008
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:21:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Two New Toys for Xmas
In-Reply-To: <009c01c9529f$32d1ae90$30bb693a@fred>
References: <001e01c951f6$efb745a0$30bb693a@fred>
	<7E7CA8D7-826D-4AA5-A8F1-395B75D58DC5@internode.on.net>
	<009c01c9529f$32d1ae90$30bb693a@fred>
Message-ID: <75E4B110-4E28-44C2-ACC3-94D3A1FF5EFF@internode.on.net>

Thanks, Brian. I have probably seen one of those engines or at least  
illustrations, and just thought of them as a natural progression.  
Something new for the memory bank.

Eric

On 30/11/2008, at 2:53 PM, Brian Watts wrote:

> Hi Eric,
> Around 1923 Blackstone started making Diesel engs. Some old time  
> farmers
> still wanted the Hot Bulb Lamp Start type so several Diesel Eng.  
> Blocks were
> fitted with the old type Hot Bulb,these were only made for about 3  
> years and
> have a different cyl.head and the cyl.and base are one casting.
> Brian


From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Nov 30 06:06:18 2008
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:06:18 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT: House Rebuild
Message-ID: <c02.4c059fea.3663f7da@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/29/2008 3:06:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
listerdiesel at gmail.com writes:

The big  advantage of the new roof is that is will give us a 16ft
square 'room' in  the attic for storage


Always good to have more storage for engine related items like mags,  oilers, 
primers, etc.  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germoamer at AOL.com

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From jlb94 at juno.com  Sun Nov 30 19:47:02 2008
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:47:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cooper Stover
Message-ID: <20081130.224803.1152.0.jlb94>

Hi Joe,
I have a 1941 Stover CT-1  # TA-274626.    Can you provide any history? 

 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
 jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
   ,-._,-.      http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
   \/)"(\/       " Keep Pennsylvania beautiful" - 
   (_o_)        Remove large pumpkin colored highway signs.

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:50:28 -0600 "Joe&Jewel Maurer"
<toadhill at aeroinc.net> writes:
> If you provide the serial # of the Cooper Stover I may be able to 
> tell you the shipping info on it if it was made in the USA. 
> 
> Joe  toadhill at aeroinc.net
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