From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jun  1 00:05:54 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 08:05:54 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Petter PU8 4kW 110V DC Searchlight Generator
In-Reply-To: <76A00ECF2D864F6D80A5E4B311DE27A2@KerryPC>
References: <6f6025160805311037q1c92f4d7o43db8bbd52c97516@mail.gmail.com>
	<76A00ECF2D864F6D80A5E4B311DE27A2@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806010005s7a8e93a8red81865b9c4277b9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kerry:

Anything in the way of information on the engine would be useful, we'd
be happy to pay for copying and postage, please proceed and let us
know what we owe you.

I'll drop you a mailing address by direct email.

Many thanks!

Peter


On 31/05/2008, Kerry <ozengine at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> G'Day Peter
>
> I have a PU8 motor unit only not fitted with a generator see
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Photos/Petter.JPG
> I have an original manual that I could copy and snail if it will help but
> nothing on the generator.
>
> The story of mine and a second unit a mate got is that a bloke and his
> brother lives in the mountains in a somewhat lost beautiful valley, not hill
> billy stuff and come to town once a week, anyway they had bought the two
> units from army surplus wore one unit out (mine) and still using the other
> with an old 12v car generator tied to the frame and a V belt to the motor
> unit, they then run a 12v cable into their house/shack for lighting, when we
> got the units they bought a Honda motor unit only and again strapped the old
> generator on it as " it works just fine don't need anything else".
>
>
> Kerry
>
>
>> For some inexplicable reason, we bought this bl**dy great lump on ebay
>> this week! :-))
>>
>> No2 son went down to Southampton and collected it in his little
>> Vauxhall Combo van, something that I would have said was not possible,
>> but he got it in there with room and weight to spare.
>>
>> It is nicely original, quirky bits on the engine design, GEC generator
>> and control electrics, pretty much original down to the toolboxes
>> (wooden) on top of the frame and starting handle.
>>
>> The silencer is rusted out, judging by the huge shower of rust when we
>> dropped it out of the back of Philip's van, but apart from a couple of
>> stuck valves, it look as if it hasn't done a lot of work at all.
>>
>> I did take some pictures today but the lighting outside was a bit
>> unusual (sun+cloud) and they came out a bit flat and lacking contrast,
>> so I'll retake them tomorrow with the newer camera.
>>
>> Looking for any info on the unit. Anyone else got one? I seem to
>> remember Kerry having one tucked away somewhere? maybe not a complete
>> genny?
>>
>> Peter
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From avanti_64 at juno.com  Sun Jun  1 04:05:27 2008
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:05:27 GMT
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Re: Harry's Site]
Message-ID: <20080601.070527.20166.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>

Thanks Tom, 

I saw the Deutz Otto and the FM T yesterday that came out of Texas.
Joe Kelley

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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jun  1 06:36:28 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:36:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Re: Harry's Site]
In-Reply-To: <20080601.070527.20166.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20080601.070527.20166.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4842A5DC.7010406@scrtc.com>

Joe,
    Does he have the Deutz running?  That looked like it would be a neat 
engine to watch run but it sure is complicated.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



avanti_64 at juno.com wrote:

>Thanks Tom, 
>
>I saw the Deutz Otto and the FM T yesterday that came out of Texas.
>Joe Kelley
>
>____________________________________________________________
>Lose up to 20 lbs in one month with a new diet. Click here.
>http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iieo94nwXF2N5zkiPXtH5mpucfAzseWB3G2e9zUfzLkXFpYzz/
>
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>  
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jun  1 06:39:51 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:39:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Re: Harry's Site]
Message-ID: <4842A6A7.3070108@scrtc.com>



Here is an update from Harry:
Tommy Turner


This evening at 4:55pm CDT in our H1 data center, electrical gear shorted, 
creating an explosion and fire that knocked down three walls surrounding our 
electrical equipment room. Thankfully, no one was injured. In addition, no 
customer servers were damaged or lost.

We have just been allowed into the building to physically inspect the 
damage. Early indications are that the short was in a high-volume wire 
conduit. We were not allowed to activate our backup generator plan based on 
instructions from the fire department.

This is a significant outage, impacting approximately 9,000 servers and 
7,500 customers. All members of our support team are in, and all vendors who 
supply us with data center equipment are on site. Our initial assessment, 
although early, points to being able to have some service restored by 
mid-afternoon on Sunday. Rest assured we are working around the clock.






From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Jun  1 06:53:16 2008
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 07:53:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Re: Harry's Site]
References: <4842A6A7.3070108@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV12F002500B283D6662E443BBB80@phx.gbl>

Thanks much for the update Tommy !!

RickinMt.


From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Sun Jun  1 10:37:03 2008
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:37:03 +0100
Subject: [SEL] More webpages
Message-ID: <3CACFA3D7DB5437EA2CC8978312BFBBA@FBI>

Hi Folks

I've caught up on my webpages, having now completed the page for a local show we took Arnie to, in the grounds of Belvoir Castle http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/belvoir08/belvoir08.htm I'm afraid it's rather tractor orientated, more specifically, Lanz tractors.  But anyway, the tractors are actually moving!
So now that I'm up to date on my webbing, it just remains for Arnie to get up to date with his trip reports.  He's only six years behind!

Dolly
--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jun  1 17:21:09 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  1 Jun 2008 20:21:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] National Engine Catalogue
In-Reply-To: <425082.52784.qm@web59211.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <425082.52784.qm@web59211.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1212366069.48433cf5892a8@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Bill,

AddAll Books brought up this one.
http://www.ilab.org/db/detail.php?booknr=340569455&source=addall

Maybe contact the seller and see if its what you're looking for?
Good Luck!!

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting William Young <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>:

> Hello from Japan, especially  to English contingent on the list.
>   Some years ago, one of the lads (perhaps John Palmer ?? ) sent me a 15 x
> 24cm 
>   National Gas Engine Co. Ltd. Catalogue, which I subsequently loaned to a
> buddy (??) for copying.  It was not returned in tact.  I want to get
> another.
>     Inside the front cover is the following info ( which does nor elicit a
> response from Google Search ):  1977 Eng-Trac Publications  ISBN  0  906113 
> 02  4
>                   Copies available from A. Baldry, Leyllandi. Selby Road. 
>                   Holme on Spalding Moor, York
> 
> Can anyone guide me to A. Baldry?  Or another source for copy of National
> Catalogue
>   circa 1902?  Thanks, Bill
>    
>   Bill Young
>   wmlyoung at yahoo.com




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sun Jun  1 17:21:27 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 17:21:27 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Harry's
Message-ID: <20080602002137.929FB30284D@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Tommy, thanks for the update from Harry. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato,Ca.

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jun  1 17:52:22 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  1 Jun 2008 20:52:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter PU8 4kW 110V DC Searchlight Generator
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160805311037q1c92f4d7o43db8bbd52c97516@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160805311037q1c92f4d7o43db8bbd52c97516@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1212367942.484344463ef78@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Peter,

At this rate you need to start acquiring some vintage lights for a really nifty
"electrical" display with all these gennys.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>:

> For some inexplicable reason, we bought this bl**dy great lump on ebay
> this week! :-))
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320254347153




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Jun  1 20:11:27 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 23:11:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] More webpages
In-Reply-To: <3CACFA3D7DB5437EA2CC8978312BFBBA@FBI>
References: <3CACFA3D7DB5437EA2CC8978312BFBBA@FBI>
Message-ID: <F293BC93-1D41-49DE-AE28-75FAD969ADC0@alltel.net>

Good doG Arnie, You must REALLY be in DEEP DO-DO! There is NO picture  
of you on this page at all!
	Dave


On Jun 1, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Jim French wrote:

> Hi Folks
>
> I've caught up on my webpages, having now completed the page for a  
> local show we took Arnie to, in the grounds of Belvoir Castle  
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/belvoir08/belvoir08.htm I'm  
> afraid it's rather tractor orientated, more specifically, Lanz  
> tractors.  But anyway, the tractors are actually moving!
> So now that I'm up to date on my webbing, it just remains for Arnie  
> to get up to date with his trip reports.  He's only six years behind!
>
> Dolly


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jun  1 20:48:01 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:48:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Harry's Old Engine
Message-ID: <48436D71.1060604@scrtc.com>

Harry's just came back on.  He's on a temporary server so there could be 
a few kinks but its better than the alternative.... no Harry's at all!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jun  2 01:45:10 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:45:10 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Petter PU8 4kW 110V DC Searchlight Generator
In-Reply-To: <1212367942.484344463ef78@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <6f6025160805311037q1c92f4d7o43db8bbd52c97516@mail.gmail.com>
	<1212367942.484344463ef78@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806020145u475ff0d7vb49b0d59d1b9fc82@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/06/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> At this rate you need to start acquiring some vintage lights for a really
> nifty
> "electrical" display with all these gennys.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>

Many years ago, when I was working for the Film & TV industry, we
recovered a searchlight from the front garden of a house in Copthorne,
East Sussex. We had Mole-Richardson 25kW arc lights already, but this
little (4 ft diameter) searchlight was wanted for special effects. I
had know it was there for some years, just didn't need it for my own
use.

Our maintenance guy got the arc mechanism working after a few hours
work and it was kept in use for some years, I don't know what happened
to it after I left the company in 1981.

It was possibly the one to go with this Petters generator.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun  2 07:03:28 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:03:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Re: Harry's Site]
References: <20080601.070527.20166.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
	<4842A5DC.7010406@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c8c4b9$6f54ee50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>


>    Does he have the Deutz running?  That looked like it would be a neat
> engine to watch run but it sure is complicated.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>


Is it Hensarling's  ? I ve shot some serious tennis balls outta that thing .
It sports a  red oxide primer paint job . 



From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Jun  2 08:15:02 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:15:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Harry's Old Engine
In-Reply-To: <48436D71.1060604@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOELLHAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tommy:

Geez!  I feel about a week younger!

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Judge Tommy
> Turner
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 10:48 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Harry's Old Engine
> 
> 
> Harry's just came back on.  He's on a temporary 
> server so there could be 
> a few kinks but its better than the 
> alternative.... no Harry's at all!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jun  2 07:22:56 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:22:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Re: Harry's Site]
In-Reply-To: <001f01c8c4b9$6f54ee50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
References: <20080601.070527.20166.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>	<4842A5DC.7010406@scrtc.com>
	<001f01c8c4b9$6f54ee50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <48440240.6040309@scrtc.com>

Robert had two of them.  This one has two flywheels as the one you 
mention had one flywheel.  They're certainly neat engines.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>>   Does he have the Deutz running?  That looked like it would be a neat
>>engine to watch run but it sure is complicated.
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, KY
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>Is it Hensarling's  ? I ve shot some serious tennis balls outta that thing .
>It sports a  red oxide primer paint job . 
>
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun  2 07:28:46 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:28:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Harry's / SEL attachments
References: <20080601.070527.20166.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com><4842A5DC.7010406@scrtc.com>
	<001f01c8c4b9$6f54ee50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <005501c8c4bc$f8232e10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

  I ve shot some serious tennis balls outta that thing .
////////////////////////

Yet another instance where a posted pic would would be helpful .
Was the SEL  ban on  pics a technical obstacle , or is it still a netiquitte 
thing
tied to dial up ? The passing years have just about rendered the technical 
part extinct .
Even the kids in school are emailing pics back and forth on their phones now 
.


Chuck 



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun  2 07:41:34 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:41:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Harry's / SEL attachments
In-Reply-To: <005501c8c4bc$f8232e10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
References: <20080601.070527.20166.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com><4842A5DC.7010406@scrtc.com>
	<001f01c8c4b9$6f54ee50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<005501c8c4bc$f8232e10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <D763F392-72A8-42A7-86D1-48BBC32BAB30@rustyiron.com>


On Jun 2, 2008, at 7:28 AM, Chuck Balyeat wrote:

> Yet another instance where a posted pic would would be helpful .
> Was the SEL  ban on  pics a technical obstacle , or is it still a  
> netiquitte
> thing
> tied to dial up ? The passing years have just about rendered the  
> technical
> part extinct .
> Even the kids in school are emailing pics back and forth on their  
> phones now


That's very true, Chuck, but you are sadly mistaken if you
think you are going to change the status quo with mere logic.














From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jun  2 08:18:45 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 16:18:45 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Harry's / SEL attachments
In-Reply-To: <005501c8c4bc$f8232e10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
References: <20080601.070527.20166.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
	<4842A5DC.7010406@scrtc.com>
	<001f01c8c4b9$6f54ee50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<005501c8c4bc$f8232e10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806020818l5a06e81dnfce859c4ac68c84c@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/06/2008, Chuck Balyeat <kerogas at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>   I ve shot some serious tennis balls outta that thing .
> ////////////////////////
>
> Yet another instance where a posted pic would would be helpful .
> Was the SEL  ban on  pics a technical obstacle , or is it still a netiquitte
> thing
> tied to dial up ? The passing years have just about rendered the technical
> part extinct .
> Even the kids in school are emailing pics back and forth on their phones now
>
> Chuck

It has a lot to do with hosting space etc and software to run it all.
The forum that Spencer set up has that facility if I remember
correctly, the email list doesn't.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jun  2 08:58:37 2008
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:58:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Harry's / SEL attachments
In-Reply-To: <D763F392-72A8-42A7-86D1-48BBC32BAB30@rustyiron.com>
References: <20080601.070527.20166.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com><4842A5DC.7010406@scrtc.com>
	<001f01c8c4b9$6f54ee50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<005501c8c4bc$f8232e10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<D763F392-72A8-42A7-86D1-48BBC32BAB30@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <1166.165.206.180.192.1212422317.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Do like we do with the AMCFORUM.COM - use a FREE web photo host and put a
link to the pics in the message. Then those interested can follow the
link, those not interested don't get the added size.
Although our forum can self-host, it's still a space issue when you get
nearly 1,000 forum members all wanting to post photos...... so we still
recommend one of the many free photo hosts.
the best of both worlds, and you don't kill the still large number of
folks stuck on dial-up because this country (USA) is so far behind
web-technology-wise.

Bill


>
> On Jun 2, 2008, at 7:28 AM, Chuck Balyeat wrote:
>
>> Yet another instance where a posted pic would would be helpful .
>> Was the SEL  ban on  pics a technical obstacle , or is it still a
>> netiquitte
>> thing
>> tied to dial up ? The passing years have just about rendered the
>> technical
>> part extinct .
>> Even the kids in school are emailing pics back and forth on their
>> phones now
>
>
> That's very true, Chuck, but you are sadly mistaken if you
> think you are going to change the status quo with mere logic.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jun  2 08:58:58 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 16:58:58 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Petter PU8 4kW 110V DC Searchlight Generator
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160806020145u475ff0d7vb49b0d59d1b9fc82@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160805311037q1c92f4d7o43db8bbd52c97516@mail.gmail.com>
	<1212367942.484344463ef78@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160806020145u475ff0d7vb49b0d59d1b9fc82@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806020858m632409cchba43780c38076995@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/06/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 02/06/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> At this rate you need to start acquiring some vintage lights for a really
>> nifty
>> "electrical" display with all these gennys.
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>
> Many years ago, when I was working for the Film & TV industry, we
> recovered a searchlight from the front garden of a house in Copthorne,
> East Sussex.

I spoke with an old acquaintance who was actually in the truck with me
when we collected that searchlight. He remembers it well, and through
another contact discovered that its whereabouts was known up until a
couple of years ago, and there is the faint possibility that it might
still be extant in a scrappie in east London.

Now THAT would look good at Portland in the evenings!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From kosh at ncweb.com  Mon Jun  2 09:18:31 2008
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:18:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Harry's / SEL attachments
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160806020818l5a06e81dnfce859c4ac68c84c@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <005501c8c4bc$f8232e10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<20080601.070527.20166.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
	<4842A5DC.7010406@scrtc.com>
	<001f01c8c4b9$6f54ee50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<005501c8c4bc$f8232e10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20080602121002.03c32008@ncweb.com>

A big part of it is that a surprising number of rural users are still on 
dialup,
especially real farmers in the US (ie FATG's). The US is a much bigger
piece of real estate than you might imagine, no telling how soon everyone
will have high speed coverage.

There are so many ways to host pix on the web these days that the
restriction shouldn't be a problem. I set up my own web site(s) many
years ago, so I don't have to apologize for popups and obscene ads,
and pix load faster w/o all the ads, but there are many other commercial
sites that aren't too bad.

Dave Merchant
www.nesys.com
www.nesys.org
SteamCrane on YouTube


At 11:18 AM 6/2/2008, you wrote:
>On 02/06/2008, Chuck Balyeat <kerogas at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >   I ve shot some serious tennis balls outta that thing .
> > ////////////////////////
> >
> > Yet another instance where a posted pic would would be helpful .
> > Was the SEL  ban on  pics a technical obstacle , or is it still a 
> netiquitte
> > thing
> > tied to dial up ? The passing years have just about rendered the technical
> > part extinct .
> > Even the kids in school are emailing pics back and forth on their 
> phones now
> >
> > Chuck
>
>It has a lot to do with hosting space etc and software to run it all.
>The forum that Spencer set up has that facility if I remember
>correctly, the email list doesn't.
>
>Peter
>--
>Peter A Forbes
>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>http://stationary-engine.co.uk
>http://www.oldengine.co.uk
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Dave Merchant
kosh at nesys.com
nesys_com at ameritech.net

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org




From curt at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun  2 10:02:49 2008
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:02:49 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
Message-ID: <37791.168.215.206.73.1212426169.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Guys,
Could use a little help ID'ing an engine. I believe it is a Carl Anderson
engine made in Chicago from perusing the BYB.

If anyone has one please contact me as I need some information to get it
running.
Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/CarlAnderson/Thumbnails.html>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jun  2 10:05:08 2008
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:05:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Harry's / SEL attachments
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20080602121002.03c32008@ncweb.com>
References: <005501c8c4bc$f8232e10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<20080601.070527.20166.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
	<4842A5DC.7010406@scrtc.com>
	<001f01c8c4b9$6f54ee50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20080602121002.03c32008@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <1191.12.223.26.26.1212426308.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

"rural" doesn't mean farm, either.
We're "rural Polk County" and because we are over 3 miles from a switch,
no DSL, and cable isn't out here yet(shock due to the high-dollar homes
going in around here and all the development) we had to spring for
satellite.
Well, it's a compromise at best and costs some real $$ which most folks
just can't do. In fact, we may have to seriously reconsider within the 30
day MBG period. 300 for equipment AFTER rebate, and 60 bucks a month for
speeds that DSL beats hands-down. Plus if there's rain near, you lose it.

My son in Korea tells me that the U.S. is behind much of the world in
"connectivity" and that's a fact based on studies I've seen.
So these webmasters that seem to believe everyone should or does have
several T3 lines into their homes, or that since THEY have 50 meg fiber
everyone else must, too and are to arrogant to see beyond the ends of
their noses are hurting the main U.S. web user.
Most web masters are a bit naive and arrogant - doubt it? Look at the
number of unoptimized photos, and flash based web sites (flash can be a
serious security risk on Windows not to mention a processor load)
They are computer people, not people people, so know little about the real
world outside of their little cubical.
Some pages on a few of the major network sites - CBS, NBC, etc,I found
totally unusable on dial-up. I simply could not get a page to load inside
of 2 or 3 minutes, some never did fully.

So IMO, use the simple solution - use a photo host and post a link.

Bill

> A big part of it is that a surprising number of rural users are still on
> dialup,
> especially real farmers in the US (ie FATG's). The US is a much bigger
> piece of real estate than you might imagine, no telling how soon everyone
> will have high speed coverage.
>
> There are so many ways to host pix on the web these days that the
> restriction shouldn't be a problem. I set up my own web site(s) many
> years ago, so I don't have to apologize for popups and obscene ads,
> and pix load faster w/o all the ads, but there are many other commercial
> sites that aren't too bad.
>
> Dave Merchant
> www.nesys.com
> www.nesys.org
> SteamCrane on YouTube
>
>
> At 11:18 AM 6/2/2008, you wrote:
>>On 02/06/2008, Chuck Balyeat <kerogas at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >   I ve shot some serious tennis balls outta that thing .
>> > ////////////////////////
>> >
>> > Yet another instance where a posted pic would would be helpful .
>> > Was the SEL  ban on  pics a technical obstacle , or is it still a
>> netiquitte
>> > thing
>> > tied to dial up ? The passing years have just about rendered the
>> technical
>> > part extinct .
>> > Even the kids in school are emailing pics back and forth on their
>> phones now
>> >
>> > Chuck
>>
>>It has a lot to do with hosting space etc and software to run it all.
>>The forum that Spencer set up has that facility if I remember
>>correctly, the email list doesn't.
>>
>>Peter
>>--
>>Peter A Forbes
>>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>>http://stationary-engine.co.uk
>>http://www.oldengine.co.uk
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Dave Merchant
> kosh at nesys.com
> nesys_com at ameritech.net
>
> http://www.nesys.com
> http://www.nesys.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jun  2 10:28:23 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:28:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <37791.168.215.206.73.1212426169.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <37791.168.215.206.73.1212426169.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <48442DB7.4070300@scrtc.com>

Yeah Curt, sure looks like it to me.  The skip mechanism works similar 
to that on a McVicker or St. Marys engine.  When it hits, pressure 
throws the small plunger on the side out and causes the skip mechanism 
to engage.  At least, I think that's how it worked!  Neat old piece of 
iron.  Give us some history as it looks like its still belted up to a saw.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Guys,
>Could use a little help ID'ing an engine. I believe it is a Carl Anderson
>engine made in Chicago from perusing the BYB.
>
>If anyone has one please contact me as I need some information to get it
>running.
>Thanks,
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>
><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/CarlAnderson/Thumbnails.html>
>
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>
>
>  
>



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Mon Jun  2 11:52:45 2008
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:52:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <37791.168.215.206.73.1212426169.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <37791.168.215.206.73.1212426169.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <C55DE816-0187-468D-AFAA-11857D260FD1@herculesengines.com>

Great looking engine Curt.  Does it now reside in your stable?
Keith


On Jun 2, 2008, at 1:02 PM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:

> Guys,
> Could use a little help ID'ing an engine. I believe it is a Carl  
> Anderson
> engine made in Chicago from perusing the BYB.
>
> If anyone has one please contact me as I need some information to  
> get it
> running.
> Thanks,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/CarlAnderson/Thumbnails.html 
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  2 12:07:11 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:07:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Harry's Old Engine
In-Reply-To: <48436D71.1060604@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <199160.77076.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

A few kinks is right,,,
I keep getting this message when I click on links.

---No Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator---

One topic I was reading gave me that when I clicked on page two then when I backed out of it I
went all the way back to the list of topics in that forum and noticed the last six to eight topics
had all disappeared.   They were just gone,,,,

If I notified the administrator every time I got that message he would be swamped.

Alan

--- Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:

> Harry's just came back on.  He's on a temporary server so there could be 
> a few kinks but its better than the alternative.... no Harry's at all!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Jun  2 13:43:14 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 15:43:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <37791.168.215.206.73.1212426169.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEMCHAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Kurt:

That is an odd duck of an engine.  I assume it is 4-cycle but if it's only got ported exhaust, how does that work?

If the exhaust(?) cam turns at crankshaft speed, how can it be a 4-cycle?  I didn't see anything like a 2-to-1 gizmo on the pushrod.

How does the governor work?  Is it hit and miss or volume governed?

Lotsa questions!  Great oddball engine.  I hope it's in your shed.  If you want to get rid of it, I'll give you scrap price for it if you'll help load it into my trailer.  Nyuk, nyuk!

Take care - Elden
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> curt at rustyiron.com
> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:03 PM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
> 
> 
> Guys,
> Could use a little help ID'ing an engine. I 
> believe it is a Carl Anderson
> engine made in Chicago from perusing the BYB.
> 
> If anyone has one please contact me as I need 
> some information to get it
> running.
> Thanks,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> 
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/C
arlAnderson/Thumbnails.html>

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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jun  2 13:06:37 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:06:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEMCHAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEMCHAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <484452CD.4000100@scrtc.com>

Elden,
    Kurt needs to answer this for sure but I think the 4 cycle mechanism 
works similar to that on a McVicker (at least the same principle).  The 
engine fires and the explosive pressure causes the small shaft 
(connected to some sort of internal piston) to "kick out".  This engages 
a latch that causes the push rod to engage with the exhaust valve.  
Where this engine appears to be different than a McVicker is that is has 
linkage connecting the gov to the carb.  On a McVicker the gov pulls the 
electrical connection away from the timer causing the engine to miss.  
But, its missing under compression.  During the miss cycle the cylinder 
is constantly compressing the fuel, then backs off compression as the 
piston travels toward the rear of the cylinder.  As long as you don't 
have any blow by (or very minimal) this system works good.  If you have 
blow by then the piston will, on each back stroke, suck in a little 
fuel.  Then when the governor allows the electrical connection it fires 
but floods.  The Carl Anderson has to work on a bit different 
principle.  Possibly the gov system totally cuts off the fuel in some 
way and it would be interesting to tear that baby apart and figure it 
out.  Curt can do it though, I've got faith in him!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Kurt:
>
>That is an odd duck of an engine.  I assume it is 4-cycle but if it's only got ported exhaust, how does that work?
>
>If the exhaust(?) cam turns at crankshaft speed, how can it be a 4-cycle?  I didn't see anything like a 2-to-1 gizmo on the pushrod.
>
>How does the governor work?  Is it hit and miss or volume governed?
>
>Lotsa questions!  Great oddball engine.  I hope it's in your shed.  If you want to get rid of it, I'll give you scrap price for it if you'll help load it into my trailer.  Nyuk, nyuk!
>
>Take care - Elden
> 
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>> Behalf Of
>>curt at rustyiron.com
>>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:03 PM
>>To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 
>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
>>
>>
>>Guys,
>>Could use a little help ID'ing an engine. I 
>>believe it is a Carl Anderson
>>engine made in Chicago from perusing the BYB.
>>
>>If anyone has one please contact me as I need 
>>some information to get it
>>running.
>>Thanks,
>>Curt Holland
>>Gastonia, NC
>>
>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/C
>>    
>>
>arlAnderson/Thumbnails.html>
>
>
>  
>



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jun  2 13:38:56 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:38:56 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Harry's Old Engine
In-Reply-To: <199160.77076.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <48436D71.1060604@scrtc.com>
	<199160.77076.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806021338u44bb1df6s7e0a39165952e47@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/06/2008, Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> A few kinks is right,,,
> I keep getting this message when I click on links.
>
> ---No Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the
> administrator---
>
> One topic I was reading gave me that when I clicked on page two then when I
> backed out of it I
> went all the way back to the list of topics in that forum and noticed the
> last six to eight topics
> had all disappeared.   They were just gone,,,,
>
> If I notified the administrator every time I got that message he would be
> swamped.
>
> Alan
>

If you look at the heading of each section, you'll notice an
"Announcement" header.

Harry is running on an old backup until he can get back to full
operation, and ALL sections are now READ-ONLY until the system is
restored. What you are seeing is an old snapshop/backup of the site.
Text of that header follows:

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This is a temporary replacement server that may become permanent.

I have brought up another web server in the Dallas data center. A one
week old database has been restored from May24th. If we can wait a few
hours more, I might be able to get to the database in the old server
and have a full recovery. Still testing and pondering the situation.
Your patience is appreciated. -- Harry

The chat room is open: http://www.smokstak.com/forum/chat/flashchat.php

All forums except TEST are READ ONLY.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From curt at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun  3 06:49:20 2008
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:49:20 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <484452CD.4000100@scrtc.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEMCHAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<484452CD.4000100@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <11336.168.215.206.73.1212500960.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Tommy, Elden,
Odd duck is right! I initially thought this was a 2 cycle engine because
of what looked like ported exhaust, and the fact that every time the
piston heads toward TDC it is on compression. Makes sense eh? But I found
the engine in the BYB and it claims it is a 4 cycle engine with a "special
mechanism that allowed skipping of the exhaust valve push rod.

I'm trying to get the patents to load on my computer, but am having
problems with viewing them. I'm getting only partial views at the moment,
so I've got a computer issue to muddle thru before learning more.
Patent number is 740,571 if you'd like to have a look. If someone happens
to get the tif's to download in completion, I'd appreciate an offlist
email with the tif's attached, so I can read them. I think there are 8
pages.

Currently the engine is belted to a large 3 phase motor and that's how it
is rotated and made to fire on occasion. Turn the power off and the poor
engine barely chuffs and can't produce enough power to even sustain
itself, so there is much to do to get it running well and making decent
power.

As to the governor linkage, it leads me to believe it is a throttle
governed engine. That's fairly unusual too considering the year of
manufacture was 1902/3.
Curt



> Elden,
>     Kurt needs to answer this for sure but I think the 4 cycle mechanism
> works similar to that on a McVicker (at least the same principle).  The
> engine fires and the explosive pressure causes the small shaft
> (connected to some sort of internal piston) to "kick out".  This engages
> a latch that causes the push rod to engage with the exhaust valve.
> Where this engine appears to be different than a McVicker is that is has
> linkage connecting the gov to the carb.  On a McVicker the gov pulls the
> electrical connection away from the timer causing the engine to miss.
> But, its missing under compression.  During the miss cycle the cylinder
> is constantly compressing the fuel, then backs off compression as the
> piston travels toward the rear of the cylinder.  As long as you don't
> have any blow by (or very minimal) this system works good.  If you have
> blow by then the piston will, on each back stroke, suck in a little
> fuel.  Then when the governor allows the electrical connection it fires
> but floods.  The Carl Anderson has to work on a bit different
> principle.  Possibly the gov system totally cuts off the fuel in some
> way and it would be interesting to tear that baby apart and figure it
> out.  Curt can do it though, I've got faith in him!
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>>Kurt:
>>
>>That is an odd duck of an engine.  I assume it is 4-cycle but if it's
>> only got ported exhaust, how does that work?
>>
>>If the exhaust(?) cam turns at crankshaft speed, how can it be a 4-cycle?
>>  I didn't see anything like a 2-to-1 gizmo on the pushrod.
>>
>>How does the governor work?  Is it hit and miss or volume governed?
>>
>>Lotsa questions!  Great oddball engine.  I hope it's in your shed.  If
>> you want to get rid of it, I'll give you scrap price for it if you'll
>> help load it into my trailer.  Nyuk, nyuk!
>>
>>Take care - Elden
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>> Behalf Of
>>>curt at rustyiron.com
>>>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:03 PM
>>>To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org;
>>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
>>>
>>>
>>>Guys,
>>>Could use a little help ID'ing an engine. I
>>>believe it is a Carl Anderson
>>>engine made in Chicago from perusing the BYB.
>>>
>>>If anyone has one please contact me as I need
>>>some information to get it
>>>running.
>>>Thanks,
>>>Curt Holland
>>>Gastonia, NC
>>>
>>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/C
>>>
>>>
>>arlAnderson/Thumbnails.html>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun  3 07:31:44 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue,  3 Jun 2008 10:31:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <11336.168.215.206.73.1212500960.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEMCHAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<484452CD.4000100@scrtc.com>
	<11336.168.215.206.73.1212500960.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <1212503504.484555d032b9c@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Curt,

Have you installed the free AlternaTiff plug-in?  It makes the TIFF files from
the USPTO readily viewable & able to be saved.
http://www.uspto.gov/web/menu/plugins/tiff.htm

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting curt at rustyiron.com:

> I'm trying to get the patents to load on my computer, but am having
> problems with viewing them. I'm getting only partial views at the moment,
> so I've got a computer issue to muddle thru before learning more.
> Patent number is 740,571 if you'd like to have a look. If someone happens
> to get the tif's to download in completion, I'd appreciate an offlist
> email with the tif's attached, so I can read them. I think there are 8
> pages.




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  3 08:16:07 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:16:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <11336.168.215.206.73.1212500960.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEMCHAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<484452CD.4000100@scrtc.com> 
	<11336.168.215.206.73.1212500960.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <BAY144-W53ED05A88124288DC0F05095BA0@phx.gbl>


Curt if that thing is anything like the McVicker engine, everything has to be perfect for it to be able to run. Leaking valves, ignitor,rings, dirty contacts on the governor, improper fuel setting, the slightest thing will stop it dead. Since it HAS to hit a big lick to actuate the small piston and carry the big piston through compression continuously everything has to be perfect  to keep it going!  When mine stops at the show you have to go down the list and see what just isn't right any longer. Most of our old hit and miss engines are very forgiving and will run now matter how badly they are worn or timed but when you have one idling against compression and the compression is performing other duties like opening valves and other pistons.... look out!            I'm sure you'll get it running soon though knowing you. When do we get to see it?  Steve> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:49:20 -0600> From: curt at rustyiron.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.> > Tommy, Elden,> Odd duck is right! I initially thought this was a 2 cycle engine because> of what looked like ported exhaust, and the fact that every time the> piston heads toward TDC it is on compression. Makes sense eh? But I found> the engine in the BYB and it claims it is a 4 cycle engine with a "special> mechanism that allowed skipping of the exhaust valve push rod.> > I'm trying to get the patents to load on my computer, but am having> problems with viewing them. I'm getting only partial views at the moment,> so I've got a computer issue to muddle thru before learning more.> Patent number is 740,571 if you'd like to have a look. If someone happens> to get the tif's to download in completion, I'd appreciate an offlist> email with the tif's attached, so I can read them. I think there are 8> pages.> > Currently the engine is belted to a large 3 phase motor and that's how it> is rotated and made to fire on occasion. Turn the power off and the poor> engine barely chuffs and can't produce enough power to even sustain> itself, so there is much to do to get it running well and making decent> power.> > As to the governor linkage, it leads me to believe it is a throttle> governed engine. That's fairly unusual too considering the year of> manufacture was 1902/3.> Curt> > > > > Elden,> > Kurt needs to answer this for sure but I think the 4 cycle mechanism> > works similar to that on a McVicker (at least the same principle). The> > engine fires and the explosive pressure causes the small shaft> > (connected to some sort of internal piston) to "kick out". This engages> > a latch that causes the push rod to engage with the exhaust valve.> > Where this engine appears to be different than a McVicker is that is has> > linkage connecting the gov to the carb. On a McVicker the gov pulls the> > electrical connection away from the timer causing the engine to miss.> > But, its missing under compression. During the miss cycle the cylinder> > is constantly compressing the fuel, then backs off compression as the> > piston travels toward the rear of the cylinder. As long as you don't> > have any blow by (or very minimal) this system works good. If you have> > blow by then the piston will, on each back stroke, suck in a little> > fuel. Then when the governor allows the electrical connection it fires> > but floods. The Carl Anderson has to work on a bit different> > principle. Possibly the gov system totally cuts off the fuel in some> > way and it would be interesting to tear that baby apart and figure it> > out. Curt can do it though, I've got faith in him!> >> > Tommy Turner> > Magnolia, KY> >> >> >>Kurt:> >>> >>That is an odd duck of an engine. I assume it is 4-cycle but if it's> >> only got ported exhaust, how does that work?> >>> >>If the exhaust(?) cam turns at crankshaft speed, how can it be a 4-cycle?> >> I didn't see anything like a 2-to-1 gizmo on the pushrod.> >>> >>How does the governor work? Is it hit and miss or volume governed?> >>> >>Lotsa questions! Great oddball engine. I hope it's in your shed. If> >> you want to get rid of it, I'll give you scrap price for it if you'll> >> help load it into my trailer. Nyuk, nyuk!> >>> >>Take care - Elden> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message-----> >>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> >>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On> >>> Behalf Of> >>>curt at rustyiron.com> >>>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:03 PM> >>>To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org;> >>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> >>>Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.> >>>> >>>> >>>Guys,> >>>Could use a little help ID'ing an engine. I> >>>believe it is a Carl Anderson> >>>engine made in Chicago from perusing the BYB.> >>>> >>>If anyone has one please contact me as I need> >>>some information to get it> >>>running.> >>>Thanks,> >>>Curt Holland> >>>Gastonia, NC> >>>> >>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/C> >>>> >>>> >>arlAnderson/Thumbnails.html>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> >> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  3 09:21:30 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:21:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <11336.168.215.206.73.1212500960.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <516933.67157.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Curt,
Have you iried Google patents?
http://www.google.com/patents

Just type in your number and go.

HTH,  Alan

--- curt at rustyiron.com wrote:

> Tommy, Elden,
> Odd duck is right! I initially thought this was a 2 cycle engine because
> of what looked like ported exhaust, and the fact that every time the
> piston heads toward TDC it is on compression. Makes sense eh? But I found
> the engine in the BYB and it claims it is a 4 cycle engine with a "special
> mechanism that allowed skipping of the exhaust valve push rod.
> 
> I'm trying to get the patents to load on my computer, but am having
> problems with viewing them. I'm getting only partial views at the moment,
> so I've got a computer issue to muddle thru before learning more.
> Patent number is 740,571 if you'd like to have a look. If someone happens
> to get the tif's to download in completion, I'd appreciate an offlist
> email with the tif's attached, so I can read them. I think there are 8
> pages.
> 
> Currently the engine is belted to a large 3 phase motor and that's how it
> is rotated and made to fire on occasion. Turn the power off and the poor
> engine barely chuffs and can't produce enough power to even sustain
> itself, so there is much to do to get it running well and making decent
> power.
> 
> As to the governor linkage, it leads me to believe it is a throttle
> governed engine. That's fairly unusual too considering the year of
> manufacture was 1902/3.
> Curt
> 
> 
> 
> > Elden,
> >     Kurt needs to answer this for sure but I think the 4 cycle mechanism
> > works similar to that on a McVicker (at least the same principle).  The
> > engine fires and the explosive pressure causes the small shaft
> > (connected to some sort of internal piston) to "kick out".  This engages
> > a latch that causes the push rod to engage with the exhaust valve.
> > Where this engine appears to be different than a McVicker is that is has
> > linkage connecting the gov to the carb.  On a McVicker the gov pulls the
> > electrical connection away from the timer causing the engine to miss.
> > But, its missing under compression.  During the miss cycle the cylinder
> > is constantly compressing the fuel, then backs off compression as the
> > piston travels toward the rear of the cylinder.  As long as you don't
> > have any blow by (or very minimal) this system works good.  If you have
> > blow by then the piston will, on each back stroke, suck in a little
> > fuel.  Then when the governor allows the electrical connection it fires
> > but floods.  The Carl Anderson has to work on a bit different
> > principle.  Possibly the gov system totally cuts off the fuel in some
> > way and it would be interesting to tear that baby apart and figure it
> > out.  Curt can do it though, I've got faith in him!
> >
> > Tommy Turner
> > Magnolia, KY
> >
> >
> >>Kurt:
> >>
> >>That is an odd duck of an engine.  I assume it is 4-cycle but if it's
> >> only got ported exhaust, how does that work?
> >>
> >>If the exhaust(?) cam turns at crankshaft speed, how can it be a 4-cycle?
> >>  I didn't see anything like a 2-to-1 gizmo on the pushrod.
> >>
> >>How does the governor work?  Is it hit and miss or volume governed?
> >>
> >>Lotsa questions!  Great oddball engine.  I hope it's in your shed.  If
> >> you want to get rid of it, I'll give you scrap price for it if you'll
> >> help load it into my trailer.  Nyuk, nyuk!
> >>
> >>Take care - Elden
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >>> Behalf Of
> >>>curt at rustyiron.com
> >>>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:03 PM
> >>>To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org;
> >>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Guys,
> >>>Could use a little help ID'ing an engine. I
> >>>believe it is a Carl Anderson
> >>>engine made in Chicago from perusing the BYB.
> >>>
> >>>If anyone has one please contact me as I need
> >>>some information to get it
> >>>running.
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>Curt Holland
> >>>Gastonia, NC
> >>>
> >>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/C
> >>>
> >>>
> >>arlAnderson/Thumbnails.html>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> 
> 
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Jun  3 10:28:27 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:28:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <11336.168.215.206.73.1212500960.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAENAHAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Curt:

Try this link:

http://patimg2.uspto.gov/.piw?docid=US000740571&SectionNum=1&IDKey=A0CBB3ABBB1A&HomeUrl=http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1%2526Sect2=HITOFF%2526d=PALL%2526p=1%2526u=%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsrchnum.htm%2526r=1%2526f=G%2526l=50%2526s1=0740,571.PN.%2526OS=PN/0740,571%2526RS=PN/0740,571

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> curt at rustyiron.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 08:49 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
> 
> 
> Tommy, Elden,
> Odd duck is right! I initially thought this was a 
> 2 cycle engine because
> of what looked like ported exhaust, and the fact 
> that every time the
> piston heads toward TDC it is on compression. 
> Makes sense eh? But I found
> the engine in the BYB and it claims it is a 4 
> cycle engine with a "special
> mechanism that allowed skipping of the exhaust 
> valve push rod.
> 
> I'm trying to get the patents to load on my 
> computer, but am having
> problems with viewing them. I'm getting only 
> partial views at the moment,
> so I've got a computer issue to muddle thru 
> before learning more.
> Patent number is 740,571 if you'd like to have a 
> look. If someone happens
> to get the tif's to download in completion, I'd 
> appreciate an offlist
> email with the tif's attached, so I can read 
> them. I think there are 8
> pages.
> 
> Currently the engine is belted to a large 3 phase 
> motor and that's how it
> is rotated and made to fire on occasion. Turn the 
> power off and the poor
> engine barely chuffs and can't produce enough 
> power to even sustain
> itself, so there is much to do to get it running 
> well and making decent
> power.
> 
> As to the governor linkage, it leads me to 
> believe it is a throttle
> governed engine. That's fairly unusual too 
> considering the year of
> manufacture was 1902/3.
> Curt




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Jun  3 15:30:05 2008
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:30:05 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEMCHAAA.edurand@mchsi.com><484452CD.4000100@scrtc.com>
	<11336.168.215.206.73.1212500960.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<BAY144-W53ED05A88124288DC0F05095BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001001c8de25$929ae4c0$726f4b47@mikecomp>

Curt:

  Steve is so right about the issues on that engine that keep it going.  I 
am sure he will be wanting to pay for my rotator cuff surgery for the 
countless hours I spent pulling that McVickers through, while Steve "tuned" 
it !!!!

Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.



Curt if that thing is anything like the McVicker engine, everything has to 
be perfect for it to be able to run. Leaking valves, ignitor,rings, dirty 
contacts on the governor, improper fuel setting, the slightest thing will 
stop it dead. Since it HAS to hit a big lick to actuate the small piston and 
carry the big piston through compression continuously everything has to be 
perfect  to keep it going!  When mine stops at the show you have to go down 
the list and see what just isn't right any longer. Most of our old hit and 
miss engines are very forgiving and will run now matter how badly they are 
worn or timed but when you have one idling against compression and the 
compression is performing other duties like opening valves and other 
pistons.... look out!            I'm sure you'll get it running soon though 
knowing you. When do we get to see it?  Steve> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 
07:49:20 -0600> From: curt at rustyiron.com> To: 
sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.> > 
Tommy, Elden,> Odd duck is right! I initially thought this was a 2 cycle 
engine because> of what looked like ported exhaust, and the fact that every 
time the> piston heads toward TDC it is on compression. Makes sense eh? But 
I found> the engine in the BYB and it claims it is a 4 cycle engine with a 
"special> mechanism that allowed skipping of the exhaust valve push rod.> > 
I'm trying to get the patents to load on my computer, but am having> 
problems with viewing them. I'm getting only partial views at the moment,> 
so I've got a computer issue to muddle thru before learning more.> Patent 
number is 740,571 if you'd like to have a look. If someone happens> to get 
the tif's to download in completion, I'd appreciate an offlist> email with 
the tif's attached, so I can read them. I think there are 8> pages.> > 
Currently the engine is belted to a large 3 phase motor and that's how it> 
is rotated and made to fire on occasion. Turn the power off and the poor> 
engine barely chuffs and can't produce enough power to even sustain> itself, 
so there is much to do to get it running well and making decent> power.> > 
As to the governor linkage, it leads me to believe it is a throttle> 
governed engine. That's fairly unusual too considering the year of> 
manufacture was 1902/3.> Curt> > > > > Elden,> > Kurt needs to answer this 
for sure but I think the 4 cycle mechanism> > works similar to that on a 
McVicker (at least the same principle). The> > engine fires and the 
explosive pressure causes the small shaft> > (connected to some sort of 
internal piston) to "kick out". This engages> > a latch that causes the push 
rod to engage with the exhaust valve.> > Where this engine appears to be 
different than a McVicker is that is has> > linkage connecting the gov to 
the carb. On a McVicker the gov pulls the> > electrical connection away from 
the timer causing the engine to miss.> > But, its missing under compression. 
During the miss cycle the cylinder> > is constantly compressing the fuel, 
then backs off compression as the> > piston travels toward the rear of the 
cylinder. As long as you don't> > have any blow by (or very minimal) this 
system works good. If you have> > blow by then the piston will, on each back 
stroke, suck in a little> > fuel. Then when the governor allows the 
electrical connection it fires> > but floods. The Carl Anderson has to work 
on a bit different> > principle. Possibly the gov system totally cuts off 
the fuel in some> > way and it would be interesting to tear that baby apart 
and figure it> > out. Curt can do it though, I've got faith in him!> >> > 
Tommy Turner> > Magnolia, KY> >> >> >>Kurt:> >>> >>That is an odd duck of an 
engine. I assume it is 4-cycle but if it's> >> only got ported exhaust, how 
does that work?> >>> >>If the exhaust(?) cam turns at crankshaft speed, how 
can it be a 4-cycle?> >> I didn't see anything like a 2-to-1 gizmo on the 
pushrod.> >>> >>How does the governor work? Is it hit and miss or volume 
governed?> >>> >>Lotsa questions! Great oddball engine. I hope it's in your 
shed. If> >> you want to get rid of it, I'll give you scrap price for it if 
you'll> >> help load it into my trailer. Nyuk, nyuk!> >>> >>Take care - 
Elden> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message-----> >>>From: 
sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
 >>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On> >>> Behalf Of> 
 >>>curt at rustyiron.com> >>>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:03 PM> >>>To: 
stationary-engine at oldengine.org;> >>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
 >>>Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.> >>>> >>>> >>>Guys,> >>>Could use a 
little help ID'ing an engine. I> >>>believe it is a Carl Anderson> >>>engine 
made in Chicago from perusing the BYB.> >>>> >>>If anyone has one please 
contact me as I need> >>>some information to get it> >>>running.> 
 >>>Thanks,> >>>Curt Holland> >>>Gastonia, NC> >>>> 
 >>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/C> >>>> >>>> 
 >>arlAnderson/Thumbnails.html>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Jun  3 19:20:21 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:20:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <001001c8de25$929ae4c0$726f4b47@mikecomp>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEMCHAAA.edurand@mchsi.com><484452CD.4000100@scrtc.com>	<11336.168.215.206.73.1212500960.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>	<BAY144-W53ED05A88124288DC0F05095BA0@phx.gbl>
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Mike,
    When I sold it to Steve I told him it was one of the cutest little 
engines to look at that I've ever seen (and it is).  But, I never said 
anything about it running!.  I'm glad he's got you to crank for him!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Mike Royster wrote:

>Curt:
>
>  Steve is so right about the issues on that engine that keep it going.  I 
>am sure he will be wanting to pay for my rotator cuff surgery for the 
>countless hours I spent pulling that McVickers through, while Steve "tuned" 
>it !!!!
>
>Mike
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:16 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
>
>
>
>Curt if that thing is anything like the McVicker engine, everything has to 
>be perfect for it to be able to run. Leaking valves, ignitor,rings, dirty 
>contacts on the governor, improper fuel setting, the slightest thing will 
>stop it dead. Since it HAS to hit a big lick to actuate the small piston and 
>carry the big piston through compression continuously everything has to be 
>perfect  to keep it going!  When mine stops at the show you have to go down 
>the list and see what just isn't right any longer. Most of our old hit and 
>miss engines are very forgiving and will run now matter how badly they are 
>worn or timed but when you have one idling against compression and the 
>compression is performing other duties like opening valves and other 
>pistons.... look out!            I'm sure you'll get it running soon though 
>knowing you. When do we get to see it?  Steve> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 
>07:49:20 -0600> From: curt at rustyiron.com> To: 
>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.> > 
>Tommy, Elden,> Odd duck is right! I initially thought this was a 2 cycle 
>engine because> of what looked like ported exhaust, and the fact that every 
>time the> piston heads toward TDC it is on compression. Makes sense eh? But 
>I found> the engine in the BYB and it claims it is a 4 cycle engine with a 
>"special> mechanism that allowed skipping of the exhaust valve push rod.> > 
>I'm trying to get the patents to load on my computer, but am having> 
>problems with viewing them. I'm getting only partial views at the moment,> 
>so I've got a computer issue to muddle thru before learning more.> Patent 
>number is 740,571 if you'd like to have a look. If someone happens> to get 
>the tif's to download in completion, I'd appreciate an offlist> email with 
>the tif's attached, so I can read them. I think there are 8> pages.> > 
>Currently the engine is belted to a large 3 phase motor and that's how it> 
>is rotated and made to fire on occasion. Turn the power off and the poor> 
>engine barely chuffs and can't produce enough power to even sustain> itself, 
>so there is much to do to get it running well and making decent> power.> > 
>As to the governor linkage, it leads me to believe it is a throttle> 
>governed engine. That's fairly unusual too considering the year of> 
>manufacture was 1902/3.> Curt> > > > > Elden,> > Kurt needs to answer this 
>for sure but I think the 4 cycle mechanism> > works similar to that on a 
>McVicker (at least the same principle). The> > engine fires and the 
>explosive pressure causes the small shaft> > (connected to some sort of 
>internal piston) to "kick out". This engages> > a latch that causes the push 
>rod to engage with the exhaust valve.> > Where this engine appears to be 
>different than a McVicker is that is has> > linkage connecting the gov to 
>the carb. On a McVicker the gov pulls the> > electrical connection away from 
>the timer causing the engine to miss.> > But, its missing under compression. 
>During the miss cycle the cylinder> > is constantly compressing the fuel, 
>then backs off compression as the> > piston travels toward the rear of the 
>cylinder. As long as you don't> > have any blow by (or very minimal) this 
>system works good. If you have> > blow by then the piston will, on each back 
>stroke, suck in a little> > fuel. Then when the governor allows the 
>electrical connection it fires> > but floods. The Carl Anderson has to work 
>on a bit different> > principle. Possibly the gov system totally cuts off 
>the fuel in some> > way and it would be interesting to tear that baby apart 
>and figure it> > out. Curt can do it though, I've got faith in him!> >> > 
>Tommy Turner> > Magnolia, KY> >> >> >>Kurt:> >>> >>That is an odd duck of an 
>engine. I assume it is 4-cycle but if it's> >> only got ported exhaust, how 
>does that work?> >>> >>If the exhaust(?) cam turns at crankshaft speed, how 
>can it be a 4-cycle?> >> I didn't see anything like a 2-to-1 gizmo on the 
>pushrod.> >>> >>How does the governor work? Is it hit and miss or volume 
>governed?> >>> >>Lotsa questions! Great oddball engine. I hope it's in your 
>shed. If> >> you want to get rid of it, I'll give you scrap price for it if 
>you'll> >> help load it into my trailer. Nyuk, nyuk!> >>> >>Take care - 
>Elden> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message-----> >>>From: 
>sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
> >>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On> >>> Behalf Of> 
> >>>curt at rustyiron.com> >>>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:03 PM> >>>To: 
>stationary-engine at oldengine.org;> >>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
> >>>Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.> >>>> >>>> >>>Guys,> >>>Could use a 
>little help ID'ing an engine. I> >>>believe it is a Carl Anderson> >>>engine 
>made in Chicago from perusing the BYB.> >>>> >>>If anyone has one please 
>contact me as I need> >>>some information to get it> >>>running.> 
> >>>Thanks,> >>>Curt Holland> >>>Gastonia, NC> >>>> 
> >>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/C> >>>> >>>> 
> >>arlAnderson/Thumbnails.html>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > 
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>
>
>  
>


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jun  4 07:30:25 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed,  4 Jun 2008 10:30:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <001001c8de25$929ae4c0$726f4b47@mikecomp>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEMCHAAA.edurand@mchsi.com><484452CD.4000100@scrtc.com>
	<11336.168.215.206.73.1212500960.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<BAY144-W53ED05A88124288DC0F05095BA0@phx.gbl>
	<001001c8de25$929ae4c0$726f4b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <1212589825.4846a701df2b8@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Mike,

Hmmmmm, it seems like the Evil Cloistered Oyster has been spending WAY too much
time consulting with MY engine buddy, Dave.  Dave, as all will agree, is a
master at working on the fine details of "tuning" the starting process at the
smart end of the engine while one or more blokes sweats and grunts with the
flywheels on the dumb end.  In preperation for the upcoming SIAM show, I've
been working out with the weights three times a week.  

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>:

>   Steve is so right about the issues on that engine that keep it going.  I 
> am sure he will be wanting to pay for my rotator cuff surgery for the 
> countless hours I spent pulling that McVickers through, while Steve "tuned" 
> it !!!!




From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Wed Jun  4 09:16:16 2008
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:16:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <1212589825.4846a701df2b8@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <543059.23864.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Arnie

Are you sure it is only three times a week????  I thought it was 3 times
an hour....Or did that small glass change the workout schedule ???

Looking forward to seeing you all in PA on June 19...Looks like I will be
at CPM on Thursday and Friday.

Steve
--- fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

Hi Mike,
 
...SNIP...  In preperation for the upcoming SIAM show, I've been working
out with the weights three times a week.  
 
See ya,  Arnie
 
Quoting Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>:
 
Steve is so right about the issues on that engine that keep it going.  I
am sure he will be wanting to pay for my rotator cuff surgery for the
countless hours I spent pulling that McVickers through, while Steve
"tuned" it !!!!
 
 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jun  4 10:15:54 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed,  4 Jun 2008 13:15:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <543059.23864.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <543059.23864.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1212599754.4846cdcaac04c@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Steve,

Quoting Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net>:

> Are you sure it is only three times a week????  I thought it was 3 times
> an hour....Or did that small glass change the workout schedule ???

heh-heh-heh  The 16-ounce-curls go without saying...  

> Looking forward to seeing you all in PA on June 19...Looks like I will be
> at CPM on Thursday and Friday.

Bummer; I'm gonna miss Coolspring this year.  I'll be in Korea.  8-((

See ya,  Arnie




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  4 11:39:56 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:39:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <543059.23864.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1212589825.4846a701df2b8@webmail.city-net.com>
	<543059.23864.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY144-W16074803AE7D9399CA16A395B50@phx.gbl>


Looks like Bill Bird and I will be at coolspring wednesday late for the rest of the week. Need space for truck and trailer. Since I have destroyed my brothers rotator cuffs , I'll be picking up a load of engines for him again this year( didn't I do this last year as well?)  Was his rotator cuff destroyed last year too? I didn't even get the McVickers running until this spring!  I've been had again by the Bad Cloistered Oyster.    OK, Maybe Jake won't let him on the show grounds!   Keep working out Arnie, I'm bringing you a new glass and something to put in it!  Steve, the good brother.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:16:16 -0700> From: stevebarr at ameritech.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.> > Arnie> > Are you sure it is only three times a week???? I thought it was 3 times> an hour....Or did that small glass change the workout schedule ???> > Looking forward to seeing you all in PA on June 19...Looks like I will be> at CPM on Thursday and Friday.> > Steve> --- fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:> > Hi Mike,> > ...SNIP... In preperation for the upcoming SIAM show, I've been working> out with the weights three times a week. > > See ya, Arnie> > Quoting Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>:> > Steve is so right about the issues on that engine that keep it going. I> am sure he will be wanting to pay for my rotator cuff surgery for the> countless hours I spent pulling that McVickers through, while Steve> "tuned" it !!!!> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jun  4 14:39:28 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed,  4 Jun 2008 17:39:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <BAY144-W16074803AE7D9399CA16A395B50@phx.gbl>
References: <1212589825.4846a701df2b8@webmail.city-net.com>
	<543059.23864.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BAY144-W16074803AE7D9399CA16A395B50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1212615568.48470b902288e@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Steve,

Whatever you do DON'T bring that new glass (and especially the contents) to
Coolspring cos I ain't gonna be there!!  Can you bring it to Baraboo or
Portland instead?

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Maybe I was too hasty in agreeing with that scalliwag brother of yours.  It
sounds like you are the GOOD Cloistered Oyster.  I don't recall MIKE ever
bringing me good things to drink.  8-))

Quoting Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>:

> Looks like Bill Bird and I will be at coolspring wednesday late for the rest
> of the week. Need space for truck and trailer. Since I have destroyed my
> brothers rotator cuffs , I'll be picking up a load of engines for him again
> this year( didn't I do this last year as well?)  Was his rotator cuff
> destroyed last year too? I didn't even get the McVickers running until this
> spring!  I've been had again by the Bad Cloistered Oyster.    OK, Maybe Jake
> won't let him on the show grounds!   Keep working out Arnie, I'm bringing you
> a new glass and something to put in it!  Steve, the good brother.




From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Wed Jun  4 15:29:25 2008
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 18:29:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
References: <1212589825.4846a701df2b8@webmail.city-net.com><543059.23864.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com><BAY144-W16074803AE7D9399CA16A395B50@phx.gbl>
	<1212615568.48470b902288e@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001301c8c692$72509e30$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>

Arnie. Are you going to Baraboo? Would you look for my table saw that is 
supposed to be on working display there?
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.


> Hi Steve,
>
> Whatever you do DON'T bring that new glass (and especially the contents) 
> to
> Coolspring cos I ain't gonna be there!!  Can you bring it to Baraboo or
> Portland instead?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - Maybe I was too hasty in agreeing with that scalliwag brother of 
> yours.  It
> sounds like you are the GOOD Cloistered Oyster.  I don't recall MIKE ever
> bringing me good things to drink.  8-))
>
> Quoting Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>:
>
>> Looks like Bill Bird and I will be at coolspring wednesday late for the 
>> rest
>> of the week. Need space for truck and trailer. Since I have destroyed my
>> brothers rotator cuffs , I'll be picking up a load of engines for him 
>> again
>> this year( didn't I do this last year as well?)  Was his rotator cuff
>> destroyed last year too? I didn't even get the McVickers running until 
>> this
>> spring!  I've been had again by the Bad Cloistered Oyster.    OK, Maybe 
>> Jake
>> won't let him on the show grounds!   Keep working out Arnie, I'm bringing 
>> you
>> a new glass and something to put in it!  Steve, the good brother.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


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From iwm at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jun  4 17:18:07 2008
From: iwm at optusnet.com.au (Stephen Pierce)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:18:07 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue Stationary engine
Message-ID: <003601c8c6a1$a23de9e0$0201a8c0@denisecf5f62d2>

Hi,
Would like to talk to someone who can help me with my restoration of a 2.5Hp moffat virtue, I'm chasing workshop/owners manual or service sheets for my engine, also I need to try and date it. Also it has no maggie so I'm after the correct type. I have plenty of questions so I hope there's someone out there who may be able to help.
regards,
Steve

From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jun  4 17:23:57 2008
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:23:57 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
References: <1212589825.4846a701df2b8@webmail.city-net.com><543059.23864.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com><BAY144-W16074803AE7D9399CA16A395B50@phx.gbl>
	<1212615568.48470b902288e@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c8defe$a8267050$726f4b47@mikecomp>

Oh how the full belly no longer requires a meal.  Where is thine hunger from 
which I saved thee?  Gone, forgotten,  just like good deeds of old.  My 
brother plies you with a few drinks, a few cheap drops of demon rum and 
devils brew and I have done nothing for you?  Would you rather have a six 
pack of swill or someone to hear your plea and respond to what you really 
need, the quest for iron.  When you lay crying in your lawn chair at 
Portland years ago, lamenting the fact you can't find a "precious Fero air 
compressor" was it my brother's ear your cry fell upon?  Was it Steve that 
placed the ad for the compressor, made it his mission to find it, retrieved 
it at great personal peril and expense?  Was it Steve that made the trip, 
battled nudity and poison ivy and wild dogs?  Was it Steve that coupled it 
to a working motor and tank from the BRUNNER compressor factory, so that it 
had a chance to breathe again and come to life as functional old iron?  I 
don't think so.

And was it Steve that undertook at great personal expense and effort, to put 
together the first ever "Sleeping Engine Men of the SEL Calendar" and made 
you a star?  And was it STEVE that just last year at Portland, when no one 
else would drink that gosh awful swill lime beer you bought, step up to the 
plate and rid your cooler of that vile product?  I don't think so.

I see it clearly now.  The veil of ignorance has been lifted from me and I 
see clearly now, like a man freed from a dark room.  You are one of those 
"what have you done for me lately" fellows.  It saddens me to see the 
blackness fill your heart.  I don't know why it shocks me so,  I read the 
articles on "How to Tell an Engineer" and I know there is no soul in that 
black void heart, or rather mechanical pump, that beats within your chest.

Sadly,

Mike (the good) cloistered oyster Royster
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.


> Hi Steve,
>
> Whatever you do DON'T bring that new glass (and especially the contents) 
> to
> Coolspring cos I ain't gonna be there!!  Can you bring it to Baraboo or
> Portland instead?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - Maybe I was too hasty in agreeing with that scalliwag brother of 
> yours.  It
> sounds like you are the GOOD Cloistered Oyster.  I don't recall MIKE ever
> bringing me good things to drink.  8-))
>
> Quoting Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>:
>
>> Looks like Bill Bird and I will be at coolspring wednesday late for the 
>> rest
>> of the week. Need space for truck and trailer. Since I have destroyed my
>> brothers rotator cuffs , I'll be picking up a load of engines for him 
>> again
>> this year( didn't I do this last year as well?)  Was his rotator cuff
>> destroyed last year too? I didn't even get the McVickers running until 
>> this
>> spring!  I've been had again by the Bad Cloistered Oyster.    OK, Maybe 
>> Jake
>> won't let him on the show grounds!   Keep working out Arnie, I'm bringing 
>> you
>> a new glass and something to put in it!  Steve, the good brother.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jun  4 19:15:32 2008
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:15:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
References: <1212589825.4846a701df2b8@webmail.city-net.com><543059.23864.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com><BAY144-W16074803AE7D9399CA16A395B50@phx.gbl><1212615568.48470b902288e@webmail.city-net.com>
	<000e01c8defe$a8267050$726f4b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <003201c8c6b2$0af33b10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Mike, I bow to your superior wordsmithing!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.


> Oh how the full belly no longer requires a meal.  Where is thine hunger 
> from
> which I saved thee?  Gone, forgotten,  just like good deeds of old.  My
> brother plies you with a few drinks, a few cheap drops of demon rum and
> devils brew and I have done nothing for you?  Would you rather have a six
> pack of swill or someone to hear your plea and respond to what you really
> need, the quest for iron.  When you lay crying in your lawn chair at
> Portland years ago, lamenting the fact you can't find a "precious Fero air
> compressor" was it my brother's ear your cry fell upon?  Was it Steve that
> placed the ad for the compressor, made it his mission to find it, 
> retrieved
> it at great personal peril and expense?  Was it Steve that made the trip,
> battled nudity and poison ivy and wild dogs?  Was it Steve that coupled it
> to a working motor and tank from the BRUNNER compressor factory, so that 
> it
> had a chance to breathe again and come to life as functional old iron?  I
> don't think so.
>
> And was it Steve that undertook at great personal expense and effort, to 
> put
> together the first ever "Sleeping Engine Men of the SEL Calendar" and made
> you a star?  And was it STEVE that just last year at Portland, when no one
> else would drink that gosh awful swill lime beer you bought, step up to 
> the
> plate and rid your cooler of that vile product?  I don't think so.
>
> I see it clearly now.  The veil of ignorance has been lifted from me and I
> see clearly now, like a man freed from a dark room.  You are one of those
> "what have you done for me lately" fellows.  It saddens me to see the
> blackness fill your heart.  I don't know why it shocks me so,  I read the
> articles on "How to Tell an Engineer" and I know there is no soul in that
> black void heart, or rather mechanical pump, that beats within your chest.
>
> Sadly,
>
> Mike (the good) cloistered oyster Royster
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
>
>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> Whatever you do DON'T bring that new glass (and especially the contents)
>> to
>> Coolspring cos I ain't gonna be there!!  Can you bring it to Baraboo or
>> Portland instead?
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> PS - Maybe I was too hasty in agreeing with that scalliwag brother of
>> yours.  It
>> sounds like you are the GOOD Cloistered Oyster.  I don't recall MIKE ever
>> bringing me good things to drink.  8-))
>>
>> Quoting Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>:
>>
>>> Looks like Bill Bird and I will be at coolspring wednesday late for the
>>> rest
>>> of the week. Need space for truck and trailer. Since I have destroyed my
>>> brothers rotator cuffs , I'll be picking up a load of engines for him
>>> again
>>> this year( didn't I do this last year as well?)  Was his rotator cuff
>>> destroyed last year too? I didn't even get the McVickers running until
>>> this
>>> spring!  I've been had again by the Bad Cloistered Oyster.    OK, Maybe
>>> Jake
>>> won't let him on the show grounds!   Keep working out Arnie, I'm 
>>> bringing
>>> you
>>> a new glass and something to put in it!  Steve, the good brother.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jun  4 19:35:53 2008
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:35:53 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue Stationary engine
In-Reply-To: <003601c8c6a1$a23de9e0$0201a8c0@denisecf5f62d2>
References: <003601c8c6a1$a23de9e0$0201a8c0@denisecf5f62d2>
Message-ID: <7BB29D9AC15A4466B718B3B367A3C444@KerryPC>


G,Day Steve
Try Rally Badges for a manual
http://www.rallybadges.com.au
search on Moffat Virtue to navigate to what is required or

http://www.rallybadges.com.au/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=moffat+Virtue&x=2&y=5

It probably had a Lucas N1 Q but most companies bought in batches in 
whatever they could get, also note MV sold several types of engines not sure 
if "2.5 hp" is limited to what most call the brick see
http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Photos/Moffat.JPG

I don't know of a dating list, what is the engine number ?

Hope it helps

Kerry Morris

Lithgow NSW Oz


> Hi,
> Would like to talk to someone who can help me with my restoration of a 
> 2.5Hp moffat virtue, I'm chasing workshop/owners manual or service sheets 
> for my engine, also I need to try and date it. Also it has no maggie so 
> I'm after the correct type. I have plenty of questions so I hope there's 
> someone out there who may be able to help.
> regards,
> Steve



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jun  4 20:19:16 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:19:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue Stationary engine
References: <003601c8c6a1$a23de9e0$0201a8c0@denisecf5f62d2>
	<7BB29D9AC15A4466B718B3B367A3C444@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <000f01c8c6ba$efd2b780$0200a8c0@altech>

Hi Guys

Don Reid in Loganlea in Brisbane has Moffatt Virtue dating records and spare 
parts, he advertises in TOMM
Don Reid - Vintage Engine Spares 07-32005382
My gen/set is in the middle of this page.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/ozengine.htm
Peter, Oz



>
> G,Day Steve
> Try Rally Badges for a manual
> http://www.rallybadges.com.au
> search on Moffat Virtue to navigate to what is required or
>
> http://www.rallybadges.com.au/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=moffat+Virtue&x=2&y=5
>
> It probably had a Lucas N1 Q but most companies bought in batches in
> whatever they could get, also note MV sold several types of engines not 
> sure
> if "2.5 hp" is limited to what most call the brick see
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Photos/Moffat.JPG
>
> I don't know of a dating list, what is the engine number ?
>
> Hope it helps
>
> Kerry Morris
>
> Lithgow NSW Oz
>
>
>> Hi,
>> Would like to talk to someone who can help me with my restoration of a
>> 2.5Hp moffat virtue, I'm chasing workshop/owners manual or service sheets
>> for my engine, also I need to try and date it. Also it has no maggie so
>> I'm after the correct type. I have plenty of questions so I hope there's
>> someone out there who may be able to help.
>> regards,
>> Steve
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Jun  4 13:13:52 2008
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 21:13:52 +0100
Subject: [SEL] address wanted
Message-ID: <000601c8c67f$83af2920$4f8b474f@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi, 
        Does anyone know of  or have either an email or web site address for Mark's Magnetos.

Thanks, Craig in Scotland

From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  5 08:15:11 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:15:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] address wanted
In-Reply-To: <000601c8c67f$83af2920$4f8b474f@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <000601c8c67f$83af2920$4f8b474f@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <BAY144-W56877A64FB716742D12FE95B40@phx.gbl>


HI Craig, I don't have an e-mail but the address and phone is: 321 McDonald Rd. Colchester, CT 06415  phone 860 537 0376, Steve> From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 21:13:52 +0100> Subject: [SEL] address wanted> > Hi, > Does anyone know of or have either an email or web site address for Mark's Magnetos.> > Thanks, Craig in Scotland> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From gastzt at aol.com  Thu Jun  5 08:39:09 2008
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:39:09 EDT
Subject: [SEL] address wanted
Message-ID: <bf9.3b5e1f25.3579629d@aol.com>

here is an address:  used it befiore---from Stan Zettener 
Pleasanton, Txas 78064
 
_www.deschene.com/marksmagneto/_ (http://www.deschene.com/marksmagneto/)      
 
hope this may help a little!   I used to work on them but after moving to 
this location everything is a MESS for now--LOL
  Stan Z
 
   yaw'll hang in there!   Enjoy the BS'n



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From gastzt at aol.com  Thu Jun  5 08:43:03 2008
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:43:03 EDT
Subject: [SEL] address wanted
Message-ID: <bc0.3337413a.35796387@aol.com>

_www.deschene.com/marksmagneto/_ (http://www.deschene.com/marksmagneto/)    
 
I used him before---   nice work!
 
Stan Zettner
Pleasanton, Texas  78064      yaw'll hang in there---these engines are a 
blast!  LOL



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Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.      
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Thu Jun  5 16:17:56 2008
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:17:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
Message-ID: <410-22008645231756593@earthlink.net>

Sounds like somebody needs his blankie, damn man, a preteen school girl
doesn't whine that much.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 6/4/2008 7:23:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
>
> Oh how the full belly no longer requires a meal.  Where is thine hunger
from 
> which I saved thee?  Gone, forgotten,  just like good deeds of old.  My 
> brother plies you with a few drinks, a few cheap drops of demon rum and 
> devils brew and I have done nothing for you?  Would you rather have a six 
> pack of swill or someone to hear your plea and respond to what you really 
> need, the quest for iron.  When you lay crying in your lawn chair at 
> Portland years ago, lamenting the fact you can't find a "precious Fero
air 
> compressor" was it my brother's ear your cry fell upon?  Was it Steve
that 
> placed the ad for the compressor, made it his mission to find it,
retrieved 
> it at great personal peril and expense?  Was it Steve that made the trip, 
> battled nudity and poison ivy and wild dogs?  Was it Steve that coupled
it 
> to a working motor and tank from the BRUNNER compressor factory, so that
it 
> had a chance to breathe again and come to life as functional old iron?  I 
> don't think so.
>
> And was it Steve that undertook at great personal expense and effort, to
put 
> together the first ever "Sleeping Engine Men of the SEL Calendar" and
made 
> you a star?  And was it STEVE that just last year at Portland, when no
one 
> else would drink that gosh awful swill lime beer you bought, step up to
the 
> plate and rid your cooler of that vile product?  I don't think so.
>
> I see it clearly now.  The veil of ignorance has been lifted from me and
I 
> see clearly now, like a man freed from a dark room.  You are one of those 
> "what have you done for me lately" fellows.  It saddens me to see the 
> blackness fill your heart.  I don't know why it shocks me so,  I read the 
> articles on "How to Tell an Engineer" and I know there is no soul in that 
> black void heart, or rather mechanical pump, that beats within your chest.
>
> Sadly,
>
> Mike (the good) cloistered oyster Royster
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>




From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com  Fri Jun  6 01:15:31 2008
From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 18:15:31 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue Stationary engine
References: <003601c8c6a1$a23de9e0$0201a8c0@denisecf5f62d2>
Message-ID: <005001c8c7ad$7d3dc950$0200000a@Andy>

Hi Steve,
Give me a couple of days, I've got a photo copy some where? I've just moved 
homes again.
Andy Nicholson
Townsville Qld
OZ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Pierce" <iwm at optusnet.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 10:18 AM
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue Stationary engine


> Hi,
> Would like to talk to someone who can help me with my restoration of a 
> 2.5Hp moffat virtue, I'm chasing workshop/owners manual or service sheets 
> for my engine, also I need to try and date it. Also it has no maggie so 
> I'm after the correct type. I have plenty of questions so I hope there's 
> someone out there who may be able to help.
> regards,
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Fri Jun  6 16:26:44 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:26:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Unkown engine,need help
Message-ID: <20080607002206.898A14C8C1C@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi ,A friend ask me for some help ID ing a recent find. I have a few
pictures but no way to display them. The engine is about 5/6 HP. tank
cooled,6 ?? bore,9? stroke ,ignitored fired originally and throttle
governed. The wheels are 35+? with EJ part#?s. I?ll forward the pictures to
Anyone that wants them. Thank you for any help, Jimmy O?Hagan, Novato,Ca.
415 892 0236

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jun  4 19:21:18 2008
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:21:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Re=3A_OT=2E__Engine_ID_needed=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <000e01c8defe$a8267050$726f4b47@mikecomp>
References: <1212589825.4846a701df2b8@webmail.city-net.com><543059.23864.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com><BAY144-W16074803AE7D9399CA16A395B50@phx.gbl><1212615568.48470b902288e@webmail.city-net.com>
	<000e01c8defe$a8267050$726f4b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <BF3D90D4CEC1418AB82B5754DBB25DDF@KerryPC>

G'Day Mike (The Good)

I do feel your pain, to be shunted by what you though a friend is hard to 
take, some people can be bought by the evil drink and he has shown himself 
only to be human after all.
It may be to late for (the Bad) but Arnie may not have turned to the dark 
side totally, and should be forgiven this time.

Kerry


> Oh how the full belly no longer requires a meal.  Where is thine hunger 
> from
> which I saved thee?  Gone, forgotten,  just like good deeds of old.  My
> brother plies you with a few drinks, a few cheap drops of demon rum and
> devils brew and I have done nothing for you?  Would you rather have a six
> pack of swill or someone to hear your plea and respond to what you really
> need, the quest for iron.  When you lay crying in your lawn chair at
> Portland years ago, lamenting the fact you can't find a "precious Fero air
> compressor" was it my brother's ear your cry fell upon?  Was it Steve that
> placed the ad for the compressor, made it his mission to find it, 
> retrieved
> it at great personal peril and expense?  Was it Steve that made the trip,
> battled nudity and poison ivy and wild dogs?  Was it Steve that coupled it
> to a working motor and tank from the BRUNNER compressor factory, so that 
> it
> had a chance to breathe again and come to life as functional old iron?  I
> don't think so.
>
> And was it Steve that undertook at great personal expense and effort, to 
> put
> together the first ever "Sleeping Engine Men of the SEL Calendar" and made
> you a star?  And was it STEVE that just last year at Portland, when no one
> else would drink that gosh awful swill lime beer you bought, step up to 
> the
> plate and rid your cooler of that vile product?  I don't think so.
>
> I see it clearly now.  The veil of ignorance has been lifted from me and I
> see clearly now, like a man freed from a dark room.  You are one of those
> "what have you done for me lately" fellows.  It saddens me to see the
> blackness fill your heart.  I don't know why it shocks me so,  I read the
> articles on "How to Tell an Engineer" and I know there is no soul in that
> black void heart, or rather mechanical pump, that beats within your chest.
>
> Sadly,
>
> Mike (the good) cloistered oyster Royster



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  6 19:22:16 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:22:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Unkown engine,need help
In-Reply-To: <20080607002206.898A14C8C1C@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <3541.16424.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Send me the pictures and I will post them.
Alan

--- Jim O'Hagan <jdohagan at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi ,A friend ask me for some help ID ing a recent find. I have a few
> pictures but no way to display them. The engine is about 5/6 HP. tank
> cooled,6 ?? bore,9? stroke ,ignitored fired originally and throttle
> governed. The wheels are 35+? with EJ part#?s. I?ll forward the pictures to
> Anyone that wants them. Thank you for any help, Jimmy O?Hagan, Novato,Ca.
> 415 892 0236
> 
>  
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> 
>  
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Fri Jun  6 20:13:27 2008
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 23:13:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: OT.  Engine ID needed.
References: <1212589825.4846a701df2b8@webmail.city-net.com><543059.23864.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com><BAY144-W16074803AE7D9399CA16A395B50@phx.gbl><1212615568.48470b902288e@webmail.city-net.com><000e01c8defe$a8267050$726f4b47@mikecomp>
	<BF3D90D4CEC1418AB82B5754DBB25DDF@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <001201c8c84c$74524ec0$726f4b47@mikecomp>

Maybe he will respond when he gets back from being Kim Yun Sungs lackey in 
Korea!  By any chance are any of the Aussies coming to Portland this year? 
We could give Arnie another chance and watch him drink beer out of a 
thimble.

Mike (the good) Steve (the bad) and Arnie (apologies to Clint Eastwood here)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:21 PM
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: OT. Engine ID needed.


> G'Day Mike (The Good)
>
> I do feel your pain, to be shunted by what you though a friend is hard to
> take, some people can be bought by the evil drink and he has shown himself
> only to be human after all.
> It may be to late for (the Bad) but Arnie may not have turned to the dark
> side totally, and should be forgiven this time.
>
> Kerry
>
>
>> Oh how the full belly no longer requires a meal.  Where is thine hunger
>> from
>> which I saved thee?  Gone, forgotten,  just like good deeds of old.  My
>> brother plies you with a few drinks, a few cheap drops of demon rum and
>> devils brew and I have done nothing for you?  Would you rather have a six
>> pack of swill or someone to hear your plea and respond to what you really
>> need, the quest for iron.  When you lay crying in your lawn chair at
>> Portland years ago, lamenting the fact you can't find a "precious Fero 
>> air
>> compressor" was it my brother's ear your cry fell upon?  Was it Steve 
>> that
>> placed the ad for the compressor, made it his mission to find it,
>> retrieved
>> it at great personal peril and expense?  Was it Steve that made the trip,
>> battled nudity and poison ivy and wild dogs?  Was it Steve that coupled 
>> it
>> to a working motor and tank from the BRUNNER compressor factory, so that
>> it
>> had a chance to breathe again and come to life as functional old iron?  I
>> don't think so.
>>
>> And was it Steve that undertook at great personal expense and effort, to
>> put
>> together the first ever "Sleeping Engine Men of the SEL Calendar" and 
>> made
>> you a star?  And was it STEVE that just last year at Portland, when no 
>> one
>> else would drink that gosh awful swill lime beer you bought, step up to
>> the
>> plate and rid your cooler of that vile product?  I don't think so.
>>
>> I see it clearly now.  The veil of ignorance has been lifted from me and 
>> I
>> see clearly now, like a man freed from a dark room.  You are one of those
>> "what have you done for me lately" fellows.  It saddens me to see the
>> blackness fill your heart.  I don't know why it shocks me so,  I read the
>> articles on "How to Tell an Engineer" and I know there is no soul in that
>> black void heart, or rather mechanical pump, that beats within your 
>> chest.
>>
>> Sadly,
>>
>> Mike (the good) cloistered oyster Royster
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Fri Jun  6 21:20:13 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 21:20:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Unkown engine,need help
In-Reply-To: <3541.16424.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080607042015.06DAC40546A@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Thanks Allen, I sent them to your Email address. Hope that was the correct
way. Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 7:22 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Unkown engine,need help

Send me the pictures and I will post them.
Alan

--- Jim O'Hagan <jdohagan at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi ,A friend ask me for some help ID ing a recent find. I have a few
> pictures but no way to display them. The engine is about 5/6 HP. tank
> cooled,6 ?? bore,9? stroke ,ignitored fired originally and throttle
> governed. The wheels are 35+? with EJ part#?s. I?ll forward the pictures
to
> Anyone that wants them. Thank you for any help, Jimmy O?Hagan, Novato,Ca.
> 415 892 0236
> 
>  
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> 
>  
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com  Sat Jun  7 00:12:53 2008
From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 17:12:53 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue Stationary engine
References: <003601c8c6a1$a23de9e0$0201a8c0@denisecf5f62d2>
	<005001c8c7ad$7d3dc950$0200000a@Andy>
Message-ID: <001b01c8c86d$e7f6a2b0$0200000a@Andy>

Hello Steve,
I've found a copy, I just need your mailing address.

Andy Nicholson
Brandon Qld
OZ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Nicholson" <rustyiron1 at bigpond.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Moffat Virtue Stationary engine


> Hi Steve,
> Give me a couple of days, I've got a photo copy some where? I've just 
> moved
> homes again.
> Andy Nicholson
> Townsville Qld
> OZ
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stephen Pierce" <iwm at optusnet.com.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 10:18 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue Stationary engine
>
>
>> Hi,
>> Would like to talk to someone who can help me with my restoration of a
>> 2.5Hp moffat virtue, I'm chasing workshop/owners manual or service sheets
>> for my engine, also I need to try and date it. Also it has no maggie so
>> I'm after the correct type. I have plenty of questions so I hope there's
>> someone out there who may be able to help.
>> regards,
>> Steve
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  7 05:55:17 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 05:55:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Unkown engine,need help
In-Reply-To: <20080607042015.06DAC40546A@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <726686.23906.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey, Jim,,,
It is spelled Alan.  8>))
BTW,,,
The PIX are here.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/563716902TgAniQ

Alan

--- Jim O'Hagan <jdohagan at comcast.net> wrote:

> Thanks Allen, I sent them to your Email address. Hope that was the correct
> way. Jimmy
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 7:22 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Unkown engine,need help
> 
> Send me the pictures and I will post them.
> Alan
> 
> --- Jim O'Hagan <jdohagan at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hi ,A friend ask me for some help ID ing a recent find. I have a few
> > pictures but no way to display them. The engine is about 5/6 HP. tank
> > cooled,6 ?? bore,9? stroke ,ignitored fired originally and throttle
> > governed. The wheels are 35+? with EJ part#?s. I?ll forward the pictures
> to
> > Anyone that wants them. Thank you for any help, Jimmy O?Hagan, Novato,Ca.
> > 415 892 0236
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Jim O'Hagan
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sat Jun  7 09:13:37 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 09:13:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Unkown engine,need help
In-Reply-To: <726686.23906.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080607161338.21E1C30286B@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

OPS! Sorry, Thanks Alan

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 5:55 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Unkown engine,need help

Hey, Jim,,,
It is spelled Alan.  8>))
BTW,,,
The PIX are here.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/563716902TgAniQ

Alan

--- Jim O'Hagan <jdohagan at comcast.net> wrote:

> Thanks Allen, I sent them to your Email address. Hope that was the correct
> way. Jimmy
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 7:22 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Unkown engine,need help
> 
> Send me the pictures and I will post them.
> Alan
> 
> --- Jim O'Hagan <jdohagan at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hi ,A friend ask me for some help ID ing a recent find. I have a few
> > pictures but no way to display them. The engine is about 5/6 HP. tank
> > cooled,6 ?? bore,9? stroke ,ignitored fired originally and throttle
> > governed. The wheels are 35+? with EJ part#?s. I?ll forward the pictures
> to
> > Anyone that wants them. Thank you for any help, Jimmy O?Hagan,
Novato,Ca.
> > 415 892 0236
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Jim O'Hagan
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jun  7 20:22:32 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 23:22:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] A familiar face
Message-ID: <484B5078.3040104@scrtc.com>

For anyone on the east coast who is a night owl or those on the west 
coast wanting to watch C Span, if you do beginning at 1:55 am Eastern 
Time (Sunday morning in the east) you'll see a familiar face (at least 
for those who know me).  I wished it was a program on engines but 
sometimes I get involved in other activities.  And, for those of you who 
don't see me on the tube, I'll see some of you at Coolspring and the 
rest at Portland!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jun  8 01:40:54 2008
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 18:40:54 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Blackstone is Finished
Message-ID: <000a01c8c943$5e3cbdd0$f3bc693a@fred>

Finally after six months work the Vertical Blackstone started and ran today.
pictures on webshots .
David Watts (03) 87616332
damewatt at bigpond.com

 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat

From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sun Jun  8 10:06:37 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 10:06:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] A familiar face
In-Reply-To: <484B5078.3040104@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <20080608170643.5B9A0405461@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hey Tommy ,you clean up pretty good. 

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
Turner
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 8:23 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] A familiar face

For anyone on the east coast who is a night owl or those on the west 
coast wanting to watch C Span, if you do beginning at 1:55 am Eastern 
Time (Sunday morning in the east) you'll see a familiar face (at least 
for those who know me).  I wished it was a program on engines but 
sometimes I get involved in other activities.  And, for those of you who 
don't see me on the tube, I'll see some of you at Coolspring and the 
rest at Portland!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jun  8 10:58:29 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 13:58:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] A familiar face
In-Reply-To: <20080608170643.5B9A0405461@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20080608170643.5B9A0405461@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <484C1DC5.4090006@scrtc.com>

Thanks Jimmy.  I'd rather be greasy though!

Tommy



Jim O'Hagan wrote:

>Hey Tommy ,you clean up pretty good. 
>
>Jim O'Hagan
>
>
>  
>


From christison at coastalnet.com  Sun Jun  8 11:18:57 2008
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 14:18:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] A familiar face
Message-ID: <380-22008608181857218@coastalnet.com>

Pretty interesting program.  That professor seems to be a person who 
never runs out of words;-)  We also watched the hour and a half ahead 
of it.  Nice history mini refresher course.

I know this event is the culmination of a lot of hard work behind the
scenes.
Ya dun good!!

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 6/7/2008 11:22:29 PM
> Subject: [SEL] A familiar face
>
> For anyone on the east coast who is a night owl or those on the west 
> coast wanting to watch C Span, if you do beginning at 1:55 am Eastern 
> Time (Sunday morning in the east) you'll see a familiar face (at least 
> for those who know me).  I wished it was a program on engines but 
> sometimes I get involved in other activities.  And, for those of you who 
> don't see me on the tube, I'll see some of you at Coolspring and the 
> rest at Portland!
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jun  8 12:23:10 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 15:23:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] A familiar face
In-Reply-To: <380-22008608181857218@coastalnet.com>
References: <380-22008608181857218@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <484C319E.1010100@scrtc.com>

Thanks Ken.

Tommy Turner




Ken Christison wrote:

>Pretty interesting program.  That professor seems to be a person who 
>never runs out of words;-)  We also watched the hour and a half ahead 
>of it.  Nice history mini refresher course.
>
>I know this event is the culmination of a lot of hard work behind the
>scenes.
>Ya dun good!!
>
>Take care.
>
>Ken
>
>
>  
>
>>[Original Message]
>>From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Date: 6/7/2008 11:22:29 PM
>>Subject: [SEL] A familiar face
>>
>>For anyone on the east coast who is a night owl or those on the west 
>>coast wanting to watch C Span, if you do beginning at 1:55 am Eastern 
>>Time (Sunday morning in the east) you'll see a familiar face (at least 
>>for those who know me).  I wished it was a program on engines but 
>>sometimes I get involved in other activities.  And, for those of you who 
>>don't see me on the tube, I'll see some of you at Coolspring and the 
>>rest at Portland!
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, KY
>>    
>>
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jun  8 12:57:10 2008
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:57:10 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Local show.
Message-ID: <20080608.125711.1060.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
Yesterday WAPA displayed at the Sonora High School FFA car show fund
raiser.  It was a simply gorgeous Southern California day, with a cool
breeze blowing on the grass of the athletic fields.  Pictures at:

http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/SonoraHighSchoolCarShow2008

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
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From old_iron at msn.com  Sun Jun  8 19:57:54 2008
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 21:57:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FW: I'm Bloody Proud
In-Reply-To: <00f201c8c43f$da260e50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <00f201c8c43f$da260e50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <BLU137-W31FA35459E25BD369A064CE7B00@phx.gbl>





From: old_iron at msn.comTo: randmingold at hotkey.net.au; stationary-engine at atis.netSubject: RE: I'm Bloody ProudDate: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 21:57:04 -0500


I got a t-shirt today at the flea market that kind of goes along with this type of theam. It has a picture on the front with "Homeland security" above a picture of american indians holding bows and arrows and below the pictures it says Fighting Terrorism since 1492.  And on the back it has the following: The Land.. Was put here for us by the great spirit and we can not sell it because it does not belong to us.  You can count your money and burn it within the nod of a buffalo's head, but only the great spirit can count the grains of sand and the blades of grass of these plains.  As a present to you, we will give you anything we have that you can take with you; but the land      NEVER. Rather elequent don't you think. Peg Pfeiffer > From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au> To: ;> Subject: Fw: I'm Bloody Proud > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:32:39 +1000> > > Reg & Marg Ingold.> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.> randmingold at hotkey.net.au> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold> > Proud to be a white Australian .> > Someone finally said it. But how many are actually paying attention to this?> > > There are Aboriginals, Torres Strait Islanders, Kiwi Australians, Lebanese > Australians, Asian Australians, Arab Australians and boat people from all > over the place.> > > And then there are just Australians. White Australians, ordinary > Australians, who love their country. Australians who don't really care about > the skin colour of others - until they find themselves on the wrong end of > abuse because they happen to be white Australians.> > > You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You call me 'Australian > Dog', 'White boy', 'Cracker', 'Honky', 'Whitey', 'Caveman'. And that's OK. > But when I call you, Blackfella, Kike, Towelhead,Rock-ape, Sand-Nigger, > Sheep Shagger, Camel Jockey, Gook or Chink, you call me a racist.> > > You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the > Aboriginal suburbs such as Redfern and Muslim and Asian suburbs such as > Lakemba, Bankstown and Cabramatta the most dangerous places to live?> > > You have Invasion Day. You Have Yom Hashoah. You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi.> > But if we had a 'White Pride' Day, you would call us racists.> > > You want us to study Aboriginal history and indoctrinate us to believe that > we are ruthless invaders. You want us to say sorry for something we did not > do. But, because we want to teach history as it happened, we are racists.> > > If we had an organisation for only whites to 'advance' OUR lives. we'd be > racists.> > If we had a university fund that only gave white students scholarships, we'd > be racists.> > There are many indigenous organisations that are only open to Aboriginals. > Are there any organisations that are restricted to whites only? Of course > not, because if there were, we would be called racists.> > > Australia has a flag that represents everybody. Aboriginals have a flag that > represents only them, but they don't think that's racist. However if white > Australians dared to have a flag that only represented white Australians and > white athletes who won an Olympic event ran around draped in such a flag, > they would be condemned as racists.> > > If you are not white, you can march for your race and rights. If we marched > for our race and rights, you would call us racists.> > You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid > to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.> > You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer > shoots a Muslim gang member or beats up a Lebanese drug dealer running from > the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.> > > I am proud. But you call me a racist. Why is it that only whites can be > racists?> > Let's see which of you are proud enough to send it on...> > 

From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  9 09:03:24 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:03:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Iron transportation help needed
In-Reply-To: <c14.3b0dba4b.356f14f5@aol.com>
References: <c14.3b0dba4b.356f14f5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY144-W291D1783268D0A185A653295B00@phx.gbl>


Tom, Did you ever find a ride for this handle? Steve> From: MBellar at aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:05:09 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: [SEL] New Iron transportation help needed> > I have found a reproduction cart handle to complete my Famous vertical > restoration. The reproduction can be picked up at the Coolspring show, but I need > to find transportation from Coolspring to within an hour drive of Cincinnati, > OH. Apparently the handle is too bulky to ship. I am a sole care provider > for my wife and can only get away for about 3 hours between 10:00 and 12:00 on > Mon, Wed, or Fridays so connection on this end could be a problem. I would be > very thankful if any of the List members could help out. Contact me off List> > Tom Bellar about 26 miles East of Cincinnati> > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From bgrimley at bellsouth.net  Mon Jun  9 06:53:51 2008
From: bgrimley at bellsouth.net (bgrimley at bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:53:51 +0000
Subject: [SEL] A familiar face
In-Reply-To: <484B5078.3040104@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <060920081353.13963.484D35EF000151620000368B22230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970A0403079D090D@att.net>


 Well I missed it.  When will it be rerun?
Thanks,
Bill
 -------------- Original message from Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>: --------------


> For anyone on the east coast who is a night owl or those on the west 
> coast wanting to watch C Span, if you do beginning at 1:55 am Eastern 
> Time (Sunday morning in the east) you'll see a familiar face (at least 
> for those who know me).  I wished it was a program on engines but 
> sometimes I get involved in other activities.  And, for those of you who 
> don't see me on the tube, I'll see some of you at Coolspring and the 
> rest at Portland!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun  9 12:21:49 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 14:21:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A familiar face
References: <060920081353.13963.484D35EF000151620000368B22230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970A0403079D090D@att.net>
Message-ID: <002001c8ca66$11771170$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

 somebody stick it on yootoob already . :-)

> 
> Well I missed it.  When will it be rerun?
> Thanks,
> Bill
 /sel


From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Mon Jun  9 16:06:43 2008
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:06:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SIAM this weekend
In-Reply-To: <484B5078.3040104@scrtc.com>
References: <484B5078.3040104@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <402FD74F-E81F-4CAA-83D8-58B94160DB28@herculesengines.com>

>
Just checking, who is planning on attending the SIAM show this  
weekend?  Should be a good time.
Thanks.
Keith

www.herculesengines.com







From bill at minehane.com  Mon Jun  9 16:08:40 2008
From: bill at minehane.com (William Minehane)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:08:40 +1000
Subject: [SEL] FW: Lister D model 26HD
In-Reply-To: <DA2808BEB9BF43BD8BBB75B2FEE365DC@FBI>
Message-ID: <C473F518.C6%bill@minehane.com>


> 
> I have recently bought a Lister D model 26DH with the  original galv water
> tank. I have printed out the drawings of this engine and  notice the the
> bottom water inlet is level with the outlet of the tank and  that the top
> connection is at a specified angle ? the distance from the centre  of the
> engine to the centre of the tank is 350mm. The actual height of the  tank is
> 850mm high so the top of the tank and the top connection is much  higher than
> the engine height
> 
> All this I can follow as I am now making  a transporter for the engine and
> tank so that I can take this engine along  with others to ?meetings?. What I
> cannot follow is how does the water flow  back into the tank as all Listers
> have a specified ?height of water in the  engine?  and as this is much lower
> than the top connection then I feel  that the engine would have to get very
> hot before ?steam? flows  back.
> 
> The engine is a 1940 year of manufacture and the water tank is the original
> galv water tank.
> 
> Maybe I am missing something so would appreciate ?help? -
> 
> I actually live on the Sunshine Coast in Queensland,Australia and do  belong
> to a Club, but this Club is also a distance away from me but not as far  as
> you. Email is terrific.
> 
> Thanking you for assistance.
> 
> Bill  Minehane 


------ End of Forwarded Message



From iwm at optusnet.com.au  Fri Jun  6 14:10:17 2008
From: iwm at optusnet.com.au (Stephen Pierce)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 07:10:17 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue
Message-ID: <001201c8c819$b99d71e0$0201a8c0@denisecf5f62d2>

Hi Andy,
Thanks for the reply, I'd appreciate the help. Do you have a running MV?
Regards,
Steve

From kosh at ncweb.com  Mon Jun  9 16:47:18 2008
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:47:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] FW: Lister D model 26HD
In-Reply-To: <C473F518.C6%bill@minehane.com>
References: <DA2808BEB9BF43BD8BBB75B2FEE365DC@FBI>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20080609193619.045a9440@ncweb.com>

To this FATG, it sounds like a thermosyphon system like many Farmalls.

Without a picture it's had to be sure, but when cool, the water level in
the tank and engine would be the same. The engine wouldn't need to
get all that hot for steam to carry over the top pipe.

Thermosyphons are simple, since they are self regulating without a
thermostat, ie they evaporate as much water as needed to keep the
correct operating temperature. The height of the return pile would
appear to regulate the operating temp.

Dave Merchant


At 07:08 PM 6/9/2008, you wrote:

> >
> > I have recently bought a Lister D model 26DH with the  original galv water
> > tank. I have printed out the drawings of this engine and  notice the the
> > bottom water inlet is level with the outlet of the tank and  that the top
> > connection is at a specified angle ? the distance from the centre  of the
> > engine to the centre of the tank is 350mm. The actual height of 
> the  tank is
> > 850mm high so the top of the tank and the top connection is 
> much  higher than
> > the engine height
> >
> > All this I can follow as I am now making  a transporter for the engine and
> > tank so that I can take this engine along  with others to ?meetings?. 
> What I
> > cannot follow is how does the water flow  back into the tank as all Listers
> > have a specified ?height of water in the  engine?  and as this is much 
> lower
> > than the top connection then I feel  that the engine would have to get very
> > hot before ?steam? flows  back.
> >
> > The engine is a 1940 year of manufacture and the water tank is the original
> > galv water tank.
> >
> > Maybe I am missing something so would appreciate ?help? -
> >
> > I actually live on the Sunshine Coast in Queensland,Australia and 
> do  belong
> > to a Club, but this Club is also a distance away from me but not as far  as
> > you. Email is terrific.
> >
> > Thanking you for assistance.
> >
> > Bill  Minehane
>
>
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>
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From MBellar at aol.com  Mon Jun  9 16:57:20 2008
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:57:20 EDT
Subject: [SEL] New Iron transportation help needed
Message-ID: <c8f.29cc67d4.357f1d60@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/9/2008 12:09:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:

Tom, Did  you ever find a ride for this handle?


Steve;
Tommy Turner suggested a local collector whom I contacted, and he offered  to 
transport the handle from Coolspring to the Cincinnati area. Thanks again to  
all for all the help.
 
Tom



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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Jun  9 17:12:43 2008
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:12:43 +0800
Subject: [SEL] FW: Lister D model 26HD
References: <C473F518.C6%bill@minehane.com>
Message-ID: <001101c8ca8e$b8b0a410$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

Bill most Lister D,s have a hopper cooling system ,that is the water jacket 
around the cylinder is the "Hopper''. Your engine sounds as if it is one 
with a sealed cylinder head designed for an external water tank. That's fine 
,just remember you have a Thermo syphon system ,hot water rises and cooler 
water takes it's place.
The bottom out let of your tank must be level or lower than the engine 
connection .The top connection of the engine must rise to the tank .
Lister D's can boil away all day ,no problems.
I am sure I have a Lister D tank diagram some where if you want I can send 
it.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Minehane" <bill at minehane.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 7:08 AM
Subject: [SEL] FW: Lister D model 26HD


>
>>
>> I have recently bought a Lister D model 26DH with the  original galv 
>> water
>> tank. I have printed out the drawings of this engine and  notice the the
>> bottom water inlet is level with the outlet of the tank and  that the top
>> connection is at a specified angle ? the distance from the centre  of the
>> engine to the centre of the tank is 350mm. The actual height of the  tank 
>> is
>> 850mm high so the top of the tank and the top connection is much  higher 
>> than
>> the engine height
>>
>> All this I can follow as I am now making  a transporter for the engine 
>> and
>> tank so that I can take this engine along  with others to ?meetings?. 
>> What I
>> cannot follow is how does the water flow  back into the tank as all 
>> Listers
>> have a specified ?height of water in the  engine?  and as this is much 
>> lower
>> than the top connection then I feel  that the engine would have to get 
>> very
>> hot before ?steam? flows  back.
>>
>> The engine is a 1940 year of manufacture and the water tank is the 
>> original
>> galv water tank.
>>
>> Maybe I am missing something so would appreciate ?help? -
>>
>> I actually live on the Sunshine Coast in Queensland,Australia and do 
>> belong
>> to a Club, but this Club is also a distance away from me but not as far 
>> as
>> you. Email is terrific.
>>
>> Thanking you for assistance.
>>
>> Bill  Minehane
>
>
> ------ End of Forwarded Message
>
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  9 18:31:51 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 21:31:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Iron transportation help needed
In-Reply-To: <c8f.29cc67d4.357f1d60@aol.com>
References: <c8f.29cc67d4.357f1d60@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY144-W21F57BBD8A15766C39896595B30@phx.gbl>


Good!    If it doesn't work out I'm going to coolspring and could hold it until august when I go through cincinnatti to get to Portland. Steve> From: MBellar at aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:57:20 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] New Iron transportation help needed> > > In a message dated 6/9/2008 12:09:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:> > Tom, Did you ever find a ride for this handle?> > > Steve;> Tommy Turner suggested a local collector whom I contacted, and he offered to > transport the handle from Coolspring to the Cincinnati area. Thanks again to > all for all the help.> > Tom> > > > **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best > 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From ilifa at internode.on.net  Mon Jun  9 21:20:44 2008
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:20:44 +1000
Subject: [SEL] FW: Lister D model 26HD
In-Reply-To: <C473F518.C6%bill@minehane.com>
References: <C473F518.C6%bill@minehane.com>
Message-ID: <30464348-75CA-4C5A-8C95-4A6806948A28@internode.on.net>


On 10/06/2008, at 9:08 AM, William Minehane wrote:

> Maybe I am missing something so would appreciate ?help?

What you are missing is that the engine, when tank cooled, has no  
specified water level. That is for hopper cooling. When tank cooled  
the whole cooling space is full of water and beyond. The water level  
now has to be above the top pipe in the tank.
What happens then is when the water heats up it rises in the pipe and  
flows into the tank. That is why the top water pipe in the tank needs  
to be submerged to eliminate resistance to the flow. If the water in  
the tank is below the pipe, the water will have to be forced "up  
hill". Of course, as the water flows from the top, the cool water  
enters the bottom of the engine water jacket. Hope this makes sense.
A tank or radiator cooled engine does not rely on evaporation for  
cooling.

Eric


From pcgray at zoominternet.net  Tue Jun 10 12:30:26 2008
From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:30:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Vertical Half breed video
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1213113602.24502.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.3.1213113602.24502.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <3AC2EFFC-CB43-45F9-815E-FAD72792FDDE@zoominternet.net>

Hi all-
Just wanted to post a link to this youtube vid of my vertical half  
breed I made from a IHC sleeve and some pipe sections.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VPTtiTCesQY
Running on a hot tube and featuring epicyclic valve gearing (has  
anyone seen this in use on an engine before??).
I bought the steam frame 2 years ago at Coolspring from Maytag Mark.
Pix of the construction are on Harry's photo gallery site....
Still some issues with the governer spring and  detent latch springs  
as well as a coolant sealing problem which are solve-able.
Getting it running for the first time really put some starch in my  
jeans.
Enjoy-

Paul


From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Jun 10 14:30:04 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:30:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Vertical Half breed video
In-Reply-To: <3AC2EFFC-CB43-45F9-815E-FAD72792FDDE@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCECKHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Paul:

Congratulations on your unique engine.  Mine's coming along, but slowly.

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Paul +
> Colleen Gray
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 02:30 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Vertical Half breed video
> 
> 
> Hi all-
> Just wanted to post a link to this youtube vid of 
> my vertical half  
> breed I made from a IHC sleeve and some pipe sections.
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=VPTtiTCesQY
> Running on a hot tube and featuring epicyclic 
> valve gearing (has  
> anyone seen this in use on an engine before??).
> I bought the steam frame 2 years ago at 
> Coolspring from Maytag Mark.
> Pix of the construction are on Harry's photo 
> gallery site....
> Still some issues with the governer spring and  
> detent latch springs  
> as well as a coolant sealing problem which are solve-able.
> Getting it running for the first time really put 
> some starch in my  
> jeans.
> Enjoy-
> 
> Paul




From andyglines at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 10 13:41:46 2008
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:41:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SIAM this weekend
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1213113602.24502.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.3.1213113602.24502.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-W11CB89E1F076FA3C9E23A4C7B30@phx.gbl>


I'm going to try to be there.  If the clutch repair does not hold my engine will be STATIONARY.
> 4. SIAM this weekend (Keith Kinney)> Message: 4> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:06:43 -0400> From: Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>> Subject: [SEL] SIAM this weekend> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>> Message-ID: <402FD74F-E81F-4CAA-83D8-58B94160DB28 at herculesengines.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes> > >> Just checking, who is planning on attending the SIAM show this > weekend? Should be a good time.> Thanks.> Keith> > www.herculesengines.com
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jun 10 14:44:47 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:44:47 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Junkers HK65 Twin Cylinder 1936
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160805221032m376b1c4dt5a5f9d9724968e0c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160805221032m376b1c4dt5a5f9d9724968e0c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806101444h3f08084cjffcea8f65bb0cf1a@mail.gmail.com>

On 22/05/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Out of the blue, an old engine contact emailed me the other day,
> asking if I knew anyone that would be interested in an old Junkers
> engine, or maybe I would?
>

Drove up to Newark, Nottinghamshire this afternoon to collect the
engine and the assortment of bits that came with it, including the
marine hand starting gear and a number of parts from a second engine
that was scrapped.

Apparently both engines were found in a ditch, the vendor had photo's
of them both as found, which I have asked him to copy for me.

The engines were from a ship's tender, the ship being the Monte Rosa,
a repair ship for the Tirpitz at one time.

http://www.feldgrau.com/hs-monterosa.html

If you look up her later name 'Empire Windrush' she brought the first
load of immigrants from Jamaica to the UK in 1948.

We also brought back a lot of photocopied sales information for CLM
(Compagnie Lilloise de Moteurs) who produced these engines under
licence.

I'll get the camera clicking tomorrow.

Peter
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jun 10 23:07:22 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:07:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Looking for engine man USA
Message-ID: <001b01c8cb89$6a0b6970$0200a8c0@altech>

Hi all

I am looking for an engine man, Roger Hansen, old email address that now 
bounces is rogerjh at netins.net

I have no address for him at all, please contact me OFF LIST if you can help 
to plowe at exemail.com.au

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jun 11 01:37:41 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:37:41 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Junkers HK65 Twin Cylinder 1936
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160806101444h3f08084cjffcea8f65bb0cf1a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160805221032m376b1c4dt5a5f9d9724968e0c@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160806101444h3f08084cjffcea8f65bb0cf1a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806110137s46f2796fp9ed4ea63485bbe78@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/06/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'll get the camera clicking tomorrow.
>

Eight pictures at:

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Junkers/Junkers15.jpg

through to

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Junkers/Junkers22.jpg

Peter
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From fsouthwell at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 11 02:15:09 2008
From: fsouthwell at googlemail.com (Fred Southwell)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:15:09 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Junkers HK65 Twin Cylinder 1936
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160806110137s46f2796fp9ed4ea63485bbe78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160805221032m376b1c4dt5a5f9d9724968e0c@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160806101444h3f08084cjffcea8f65bb0cf1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160806110137s46f2796fp9ed4ea63485bbe78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3bd33b2e0806110215h73688cafm14ff26ff2c85440d@mail.gmail.com>

Only one picture on each site Peter.
Fred

2008/6/11 Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>:

> On 10/06/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'll get the camera clicking tomorrow.
> >
>
> Eight pictures at:
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Junkers/Junkers15.jpg
>
> through to
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Junkers/Junkers22.jpg
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jun 11 02:25:58 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:25:58 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Junkers HK65 Twin Cylinder 1936
In-Reply-To: <3bd33b2e0806110215h73688cafm14ff26ff2c85440d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160805221032m376b1c4dt5a5f9d9724968e0c@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160806101444h3f08084cjffcea8f65bb0cf1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160806110137s46f2796fp9ed4ea63485bbe78@mail.gmail.com>
	<3bd33b2e0806110215h73688cafm14ff26ff2c85440d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806110225p43081abnbc8ee0a597fba3df@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/06/2008, Fred Southwell <fsouthwell at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Only one picture on each site Peter.
> Fred
>

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Junkers/Junkers15.jpg

Change that '15',  to: 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 and 22, Fred.

I didn't want to post a long list of url's

Peter
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http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From fsouthwell at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 11 06:26:23 2008
From: fsouthwell at googlemail.com (Fred Southwell)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:26:23 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Junkers HK65 Twin Cylinder 1936
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160806110225p43081abnbc8ee0a597fba3df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160805221032m376b1c4dt5a5f9d9724968e0c@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160806101444h3f08084cjffcea8f65bb0cf1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160806110137s46f2796fp9ed4ea63485bbe78@mail.gmail.com>
	<3bd33b2e0806110215h73688cafm14ff26ff2c85440d@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160806110225p43081abnbc8ee0a597fba3df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3bd33b2e0806110626w71cab19bg999acfde4011828c@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Peter
Seems obvious now but initially too much for my brain!
2008/6/11 Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>:

> On 11/06/2008, Fred Southwell <fsouthwell at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Only one picture on each site Peter.
> > Fred
> >
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Junkers/Junkers15.jpg
>
> Change that '15',  to: 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 and 22, Fred.
>
> I didn't want to post a long list of url's
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jun 11 08:01:38 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:01:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Junkers HK65 Twin Cylinder 1936
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160806110137s46f2796fp9ed4ea63485bbe78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEDHHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

Thanks for the pictures.  One question comes to mind.  On the rear of the engine just behind and below the injector pump and governor is a bracket that looks like a magneto mount.  What's it for?

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 03:38 AM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; Stationary-Engine
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Junkers HK65 Twin Cylinder 1936




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jun 11 07:34:14 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:34:14 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Junkers HK65 Twin Cylinder 1936
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEDHHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <6f6025160806110137s46f2796fp9ed4ea63485bbe78@mail.gmail.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEDHHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806110734rf97cf43yf04d9c1ff9a1d991@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/06/2008, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Peter:
>
> Thanks for the pictures.  One question comes to mind.  On the rear of the
> engine just behind and below the injector pump and governor is a bracket
> that looks like a magneto mount.  What's it for?
>
> Take care - Elden

Bilge pump on one side, circulation pump on the other (not fitted on
this engine)

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 11 10:17:34 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:17:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Vertical Half breed video
In-Reply-To: <3AC2EFFC-CB43-45F9-815E-FAD72792FDDE@zoominternet.net>
References: <mailman.3.1213113602.24502.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<3AC2EFFC-CB43-45F9-815E-FAD72792FDDE@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <BAY144-W47AA944697CB71B43A6B1995B20@phx.gbl>


Hi Paul, That's a beautiful engine you've built. I sure hope it comes to coolspring this year! Thanks for sharing it with us, Steve
 
 
 
 
 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jun 11 15:30:53 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:30:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] DIY V12 Engine
Message-ID: <1213223453.4850521df3999@webmail.city-net.com>

OK Folks,

It might be slightly OT, but it is engine related and it is bloody amazing to
boot!  A working origami V12 engine.

And for those of you who are clever, YOU can buy and build the kit!
Be the first kid on your block to own one.  Maybe even have it ready in time for
show & tell at Portland!!  Enjoy!!

http://www.yeesjob.com/
http://www.yeesjob.com/paper-model.htm
http://www.yeesjob.com/v12engine.htm
http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/06/the-amazing-ori.html

The mind boggles....

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com



From endacomm10 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 11 16:13:20 2008
From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:13:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Looking for engine man USA
In-Reply-To: <001b01c8cb89$6a0b6970$0200a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <82606.91749.qm@web51412.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=Roger+Hansen&amp;src=IE-SearchBox

--- On Wed, 6/11/08, Peter Lowe &lt;plowe at exemail.com.au&gt; wrote:

From: Peter Lowe &lt;plowe at exemail.com.au&gt;
Subject: [SEL] Looking for engine man USA
To: "ATIS" &lt;sel at lists.stationary-engine.com&gt;, "Oldengine.org" &lt;stationary-engine at oldengine.org&gt;
Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 2:07 AM

Hi all

I am looking for an engine man, Roger Hansen, old email address that now 
bounces is rogerjh at netins.net

I have no address for him at all, please contact me OFF LIST if you can help 
to plowe at exemail.com.au

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&amp;V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm

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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jun 11 16:40:08 2008
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:40:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT. Grinder wiring
Message-ID: <20080611.164008.1960.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  I recently picked up a Baldor grinder about 3/4 hp.  I say about
because the tag is missing.  It is wired now for 220V.  It has six wires
coming out of the motor, two to capacitors, #1&4 to the plug, and 2&3 are
wired together.  What combination do I need to run it on 110V?  I don't
think the two on the capacitor need to be changed as they are not
numbered.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jun 11 18:22:19 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:22:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT. Grinder wiring
In-Reply-To: <20080611.164008.1960.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEEDHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron:

I -guess- that it makes sense to connect wire #1 to #3 and #2 to #4 then connect each of the tied pairs to 120 volts.

If t'were me, I'd stick a 150 watt 120 volt light bulb in series with the 120 volt line then plug it in.  The motor should slowly come up to speed if it's hooked up right.

If it comes up to speed, unplug it and take out the light bulb.  Plug it back in and you should be in biz.

Take care - Elden

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 06:40 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; 
> stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] OT. Grinder wiring
> 
> 
> Hi all.  I recently picked up a Baldor grinder 
> about 3/4 hp.  I say about
> because the tag is missing.  It is wired now for 
> 220V.  It has six wires
> coming out of the motor, two to capacitors, #1&4 
> to the plug, and 2&3 are
> wired together.  What combination do I need to 
> run it on 110V?  I don't
> think the two on the capacitor need to be changed 
> as they are not
> numbered.  Thanks.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 11 18:16:01 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:16:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] DIY V12 Engine
In-Reply-To: <1213223453.4850521df3999@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1213223453.4850521df3999@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY144-W3BD0E8B47A5BAC1CBE41295AD0@phx.gbl>


Yes folks, the mind boggles!!! Now we know what Arnie does when he has to miss Coolspring and go WORK in  Korea.    Why, I sure feel safe knowing that my nuclear engineer friend is making origami engines, while the atoms are splitting away in the back room. Oh...... I wish my dad had told me about an engineering career earlier in my life. Where would I be now?????? Steve 
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jun 11 18:59:25 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:59:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT. Grinder wiring
In-Reply-To: <20080611.164008.1960.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20080611.164008.1960.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <DB2F6D46-9655-45A8-A95B-592477CC5758@rustyiron.com>

On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:40 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

> Hi all.  I recently picked up a Baldor grinder about 3/4 hp.  I say  
> about
> because the tag is missing.  It is wired now for 220V.  It has six  
> wires
> coming out of the motor, two to capacitors, #1&4 to the plug, and  
> 2&3 are
> wired together.  What combination do I need to run it on 110V?  I  
> don't
> think the two on the capacitor need to be changed as they are not
> numbered.  Thanks.

Hi Ron,
I don't work with single phase stuff, but three phase is standardized  
with a particular manner of numbering the wires.  If the logic is the  
same, then 1 and 2 should go together, as should 3 and 4.

If you want to do a preliminary test, you should read continuity  
between 1 and 3, and between 2 and 4.  If that is the case, hook it up  
as I suggested.

Rob




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jun 11 19:14:17 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:14:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Vertical Half breed video
In-Reply-To: <3AC2EFFC-CB43-45F9-815E-FAD72792FDDE@zoominternet.net>
References: <mailman.3.1213113602.24502.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<3AC2EFFC-CB43-45F9-815E-FAD72792FDDE@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <1213236857.48508679425da@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey Paul,

Man, that's just bloody awesome!!  I sure do hope that you'll have it at the
Fall Coolspring show cos I'm gonna miss the Spring one this month!  I'd LOVE to
see it up close and personal.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Paul + Colleen Gray <pcgray at zoominternet.net>:

> Just wanted to post a link to this youtube vid of my vertical half  
> breed I made from a IHC sleeve and some pipe sections.
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=VPTtiTCesQY
> Running on a hot tube and featuring epicyclic valve gearing (has  
> anyone seen this in use on an engine before??).




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jun 11 19:17:37 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:17:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] DIY V12 Engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY144-W3BD0E8B47A5BAC1CBE41295AD0@phx.gbl>
References: <1213223453.4850521df3999@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BAY144-W3BD0E8B47A5BAC1CBE41295AD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1213237057.4850874175e66@webmail.city-net.com>

Poorer...  8-))

Quoting Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>:

> Oh...... I wish my dad had told me about an
> engineering career earlier in my life. Where would I be now?????? Steve 



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jun 11 19:38:11 2008
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:38:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Baldor grinder
Message-ID: <20080611.193811.1960.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks to all who responded.  It is now running nicely on 110V.  The
magic combination was 1&3 and 2&4.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From johnculp at btes.tv  Wed Jun 11 19:50:04 2008
From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:50:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] DIY V12 Engine
In-Reply-To: <1213237057.4850874175e66@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1213223453.4850521df3999@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BAY144-W3BD0E8B47A5BAC1CBE41295AD0@phx.gbl>
	<1213237057.4850874175e66@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <ee3dbe4d60a7793fbe752ea915201479@btes.tv>

Say it ain't so! Don't graduates of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics 
carry big rolls of bills and eat steak?

John

On Jun 11, 2008, at 10:17 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

> Poorer...  8-))
>
> Quoting Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>:
>
>> Oh...... I wish my dad had told me about an
>> engineering career earlier in my life. Where would I be now?????? 
>> Steve


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA




From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Wed Jun 11 21:56:53 2008
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:56:53 EDT
Subject: [SEL] DIY V12 Engine
Message-ID: <c89.2c22811d.35820695@aol.com>

 
And remember, Bob at Bob's school guarantees he will  be satisfied with your 
money or it will be promptly returned with no questions  asked.
 
Ron
 
In a message dated 6/11/2008 9:58:32 PM Central Daylight Time,  
johnculp at btes.tv writes:

Say it  ain't so! Don't graduates of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics 
carry big  rolls of bills and eat steak?

John







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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Jun 12 03:24:38 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:24:38 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Barlow engine parts wanted
Message-ID: <001801c8cc76$84a14d70$0200a8c0@altech>

Hi all Aussies

Does anyone have a spare Barlow D model carby and fuel tank for sale???

Regards
Peter, Oz


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jun 12 03:40:16 2008
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:40:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Barlow engine parts wanted
References: <001801c8cc76$84a14d70$0200a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <002101c8cc78$b5c2e650$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I really wish you luck with this hunt.
I aint holding my breath though.
I think you might be trying to borrow and copy very soon.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine.org" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 8:24 PM
Subject: [SEL] Barlow engine parts wanted


> Hi all Aussies
>
> Does anyone have a spare Barlow D model carby and fuel tank for sale???
>
> Regards
> Peter, Oz
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Jun 12 04:16:42 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:16:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Barlow engine parts wanted
References: <001801c8cc76$84a14d70$0200a8c0@altech>
	<002101c8cc78$b5c2e650$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <003101c8cc7d$cac81e30$0200a8c0@altech>

Hi Reg
This is for a guy in Queensland, I have a complete Barlow D myself.
His has the hard to find "Power Transmission Mechanism" that geared part 
that reverses the drive pulley to run a separator, IF I can find some Barlow 
parts I can do a deal in getting a casting of the mechanism. Yes, I know 
they are like Horse Poo, RARE.
Pete, Oz




>I really wish you luck with this hunt.
> I aint holding my breath though.
> I think you might be trying to borrow and copy very soon.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.


>
>
>> Hi all Aussies
>>
>> Does anyone have a spare Barlow D model carby and fuel tank for sale???
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter, Oz
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jun 12 04:58:36 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:58:36 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Brakes put on eBay
Message-ID: <20080612115827.GITH1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

This may be interesting to those of us silly enough to look at eBay ;)

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23855480-29277,00.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jun 12 20:42:49 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:42:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
Message-ID: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>

Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the dig". 

I acquired a 4 HP Springfield Type B that is missing parts.  Here's some 
background and how this story is believed to have come about.  A man 
named Hannebaum, from Missouri, worked in the Ohio works of the 
Springfield Gas Engine shop in the 1890's.  He was quite the engineer 
and its very possible the Type B Springfield was his design.  He moved 
back to Missouri, near Springfield, and either brought the patterns with 
him or possibly engine castings.  A few of the Type B Springfield style 
engines were built, tagged with the Hannebaum name.  One was a 4 (or 
believed to be a 4) HP that was installed in a grain elevator in 
Billings, MO. 

It ran until 1945 when it was removed from service.  It was purchased 
and taken to a farm a few miles from town when the engine was dismantled 
and a wedge bolted on the piston to make a woodsplitter.  After being 
used a few years the engine was set in the fence row where it remained 
until a few years ago.  One of the family members, now in his 90's. 
stated that he knew all the parts for the engine were still there on the 
farm and knows close proximity to where they are located.  I have 
visited the site and believe him as its sort of like walking back in time. 

Where he believes the parts are located has a large amount of scrap 
iron, junk, growth, etc and will require some work to pick through, dig, 
etc.

The parts possible there include the intake and exhaust valve cage, the 
cross slide mechanism, the ignitor, governor, gas valve and other small 
parts.  This will be a bit like digging for gold.

Now the question is, are there any folks out there game to make a 
digging excursion with me?  I have a friend who can bring in a skid 
steer and he'll spray to kill all the vegetation a couple weeks before 
the dig could begin.  I think the project, with 5 or 6 folks working, 
could be completed in a day and a half.  I've got shovels, picks, etc 
but I would need to access a metal detector to do the job right.

I'd provide the meals, hotel room, and all the fire water needed.  We 
could gather at my place and then I'd transport everyone down to the 
site, which is about an 8 hour drive.

Just something to think about.  I'll probably try to do this excursion 
in mid July.

Tommy Turner




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jun 12 21:10:50 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:10:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <4851F34A.6060805@scrtc.com>

I should have added that I think we'll document this effort well, 
photos, etc. as I think it would make a great GEM story.

TT



Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

>Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the dig". 
>
>I acquired a 4 HP Springfield Type B that is missing parts.  Here's some 
>background and how this story is believed to have come about.  A man 
>named Hannebaum, from Missouri, worked in the Ohio works of the 
>Springfield Gas Engine shop in the 1890's.  He was quite the engineer 
>and its very possible the Type B Springfield was his design.  He moved 
>back to Missouri, near Springfield, and either brought the patterns with 
>him or possibly engine castings.  A few of the Type B Springfield style 
>engines were built, tagged with the Hannebaum name.  One was a 4 (or 
>believed to be a 4) HP that was installed in a grain elevator in 
>Billings, MO. 
>
>It ran until 1945 when it was removed from service.  It was purchased 
>and taken to a farm a few miles from town when the engine was dismantled 
>and a wedge bolted on the piston to make a woodsplitter.  After being 
>used a few years the engine was set in the fence row where it remained 
>until a few years ago.  One of the family members, now in his 90's. 
>stated that he knew all the parts for the engine were still there on the 
>farm and knows close proximity to where they are located.  I have 
>visited the site and believe him as its sort of like walking back in time. 
>
>Where he believes the parts are located has a large amount of scrap 
>iron, junk, growth, etc and will require some work to pick through, dig, 
>etc.
>
>The parts possible there include the intake and exhaust valve cage, the 
>cross slide mechanism, the ignitor, governor, gas valve and other small 
>parts.  This will be a bit like digging for gold.
>
>Now the question is, are there any folks out there game to make a 
>digging excursion with me?  I have a friend who can bring in a skid 
>steer and he'll spray to kill all the vegetation a couple weeks before 
>the dig could begin.  I think the project, with 5 or 6 folks working, 
>could be completed in a day and a half.  I've got shovels, picks, etc 
>but I would need to access a metal detector to do the job right.
>
>I'd provide the meals, hotel room, and all the fire water needed.  We 
>could gather at my place and then I'd transport everyone down to the 
>site, which is about an 8 hour drive.
>
>Just something to think about.  I'll probably try to do this excursion 
>in mid July.
>
>Tommy Turner
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>


From alharris44 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 21:22:44 2008
From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:22:44 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>

Tommy, that sounds as if it came right out of a Travel Brochure.

I think I can say without any fear of contradiction that quite 
a few "downunder" would be mighty pleased to accept your 
generous July offer. Just send blank cheques. :-)

Al Harris
Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz


Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the dig". 
> 
> I acquired a 4 HP Springfield Type B that is missing parts.  Here's some 
> background and how this story is believed to have come about.  A man 
> named Hannebaum, from Missouri, worked in the Ohio works of the 
> Springfield Gas Engine shop in the 1890's.  He was quite the engineer 
> and its very possible the Type B Springfield was his design.  He moved 
> back to Missouri, near Springfield, and either brought the patterns with 
> him or possibly engine castings.  A few of the Type B Springfield style 
> engines were built, tagged with the Hannebaum name.  One was a 4 (or 
> believed to be a 4) HP that was installed in a grain elevator in 
> Billings, MO. 
> 
> It ran until 1945 when it was removed from service.  It was purchased 
> and taken to a farm a few miles from town when the engine was dismantled 
> and a wedge bolted on the piston to make a woodsplitter.  After being 
> used a few years the engine was set in the fence row where it remained 
> until a few years ago.  One of the family members, now in his 90's. 
> stated that he knew all the parts for the engine were still there on the 
> farm and knows close proximity to where they are located.  I have 
> visited the site and believe him as its sort of like walking back in time. 
> 
> Where he believes the parts are located has a large amount of scrap 
> iron, junk, growth, etc and will require some work to pick through, dig, 
> etc.
> 
> The parts possible there include the intake and exhaust valve cage, the 
> cross slide mechanism, the ignitor, governor, gas valve and other small 
> parts.  This will be a bit like digging for gold.
> 
> Now the question is, are there any folks out there game to make a 
> digging excursion with me?  I have a friend who can bring in a skid 
> steer and he'll spray to kill all the vegetation a couple weeks before 
> the dig could begin.  I think the project, with 5 or 6 folks working, 
> could be completed in a day and a half.  I've got shovels, picks, etc 
> but I would need to access a metal detector to do the job right.
> 
> I'd provide the meals, hotel room, and all the fire water needed.  We 
> could gather at my place and then I'd transport everyone down to the 
> site, which is about an 8 hour drive.
> 
> Just something to think about.  I'll probably try to do this excursion 
> in mid July.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From alharris44 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 21:25:09 2008
From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:25:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <4851F34A.6060805@scrtc.com>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com> <4851F34A.6060805@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <4851F6A5.6040402@gmail.com>

How careless of me, of course I'll bring my camera. ;-)

AH

Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> I should have added that I think we'll document this effort well, 
> photos, etc. as I think it would make a great GEM story.
> 
> TT
> 


From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 12 21:31:05 2008
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:31:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <4851F34A.6060805@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c8cd0e$4dbb0ec0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>

Hey Tommy 

Wish it wasn't so far from TX!

Lew near Waco, TX

-----Original Message-----
 
I should have added that I think we'll document this effort well, 
photos, etc. as I think it would make a great GEM story.

TT







From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jun 13 03:21:51 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:21:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com> <4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c8cd3f$4be03e00$0200a8c0@altech>

Hi Tommy
Well then, Al Harris is only across the river from me (10 mile) and if he is 
travelling from Oz, he will need a travelling companion to keep him company 
for the 21 hour flight, "First Class" of course.
We both await the mail man with our air tickets and look forward to putting 
in a hard days work with you mate..

Peter, Oz




> Tommy, that sounds as if it came right out of a Travel Brochure.
>
> I think I can say without any fear of contradiction that quite
> a few "downunder" would be mighty pleased to accept your
> generous July offer. Just send blank cheques. :-)
>
> Al Harris
> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>
>
> Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>> Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the dig".
>>
>> I acquired a 4 HP Springfield Type B that is missing parts.  Here's some
>> background and how this story is believed to have come about.  A man
>> named Hannebaum, from Missouri, worked in the Ohio works of the
>> Springfield Gas Engine shop in the 1890's.  He was quite the engineer
>> and its very possible the Type B Springfield was his design.  He moved
>> back to Missouri, near Springfield, and either brought the patterns with
>> him or possibly engine castings.  A few of the Type B Springfield style
>> engines were built, tagged with the Hannebaum name.  One was a 4 (or
>> believed to be a 4) HP that was installed in a grain elevator in
>> Billings, MO.
>>
>> It ran until 1945 when it was removed from service.  It was purchased
>> and taken to a farm a few miles from town when the engine was dismantled
>> and a wedge bolted on the piston to make a woodsplitter.  After being
>> used a few years the engine was set in the fence row where it remained
>> until a few years ago.  One of the family members, now in his 90's.
>> stated that he knew all the parts for the engine were still there on the
>> farm and knows close proximity to where they are located.  I have
>> visited the site and believe him as its sort of like walking back in 
>> time.
>>
>> Where he believes the parts are located has a large amount of scrap
>> iron, junk, growth, etc and will require some work to pick through, dig,
>> etc.
>>
>> The parts possible there include the intake and exhaust valve cage, the
>> cross slide mechanism, the ignitor, governor, gas valve and other small
>> parts.  This will be a bit like digging for gold.
>>
>> Now the question is, are there any folks out there game to make a
>> digging excursion with me?  I have a friend who can bring in a skid
>> steer and he'll spray to kill all the vegetation a couple weeks before
>> the dig could begin.  I think the project, with 5 or 6 folks working,
>> could be completed in a day and a half.  I've got shovels, picks, etc
>> but I would need to access a metal detector to do the job right.
>>
>> I'd provide the meals, hotel room, and all the fire water needed.  We
>> could gather at my place and then I'd transport everyone down to the
>> site, which is about an 8 hour drive.
>>
>> Just something to think about.  I'll probably try to do this excursion
>> in mid July.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jun 13 04:03:39 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:03:39 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Barlow engine info
Message-ID: <008201c8cd45$22df5bc0$0200a8c0@altech>

Hi all, what spark plug does a Barlow D model use please. ???

Peter, Oz


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jun 13 04:37:01 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 07:37:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <003d01c8cd3f$4be03e00$0200a8c0@altech>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com> <4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>
	<003d01c8cd3f$4be03e00$0200a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <48525BDD.7000502@scrtc.com>

Peter,
    I'll probably have to send you tickets to travel by boat....... not 
sure if we have any SEL members in the Springfield, MO area or have any 
close enough to me that they would meet me at my place and me take them 
to the site or not.  If not, I'm sure if I can find an interpreter that 
speaks Spanish I can find all the "dig help" I need (for a little $$$ 
and a lot of fire water that is).

Tommy Turner



Peter Lowe wrote:

>Hi Tommy
>Well then, Al Harris is only across the river from me (10 mile) and if he is 
>travelling from Oz, he will need a travelling companion to keep him company 
>for the 21 hour flight, "First Class" of course.
>We both await the mail man with our air tickets and look forward to putting 
>in a hard days work with you mate..
>
>Peter, Oz
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>>Tommy, that sounds as if it came right out of a Travel Brochure.
>>
>>I think I can say without any fear of contradiction that quite
>>a few "downunder" would be mighty pleased to accept your
>>generous July offer. Just send blank cheques. :-)
>>
>>Al Harris
>>Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>>
>>
>>Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the dig".
>>>
>>>I acquired a 4 HP Springfield Type B that is missing parts.  Here's some
>>>background and how this story is believed to have come about.  A man
>>>named Hannebaum, from Missouri, worked in the Ohio works of the
>>>Springfield Gas Engine shop in the 1890's.  He was quite the engineer
>>>and its very possible the Type B Springfield was his design.  He moved
>>>back to Missouri, near Springfield, and either brought the patterns with
>>>him or possibly engine castings.  A few of the Type B Springfield style
>>>engines were built, tagged with the Hannebaum name.  One was a 4 (or
>>>believed to be a 4) HP that was installed in a grain elevator in
>>>Billings, MO.
>>>
>>>It ran until 1945 when it was removed from service.  It was purchased
>>>and taken to a farm a few miles from town when the engine was dismantled
>>>and a wedge bolted on the piston to make a woodsplitter.  After being
>>>used a few years the engine was set in the fence row where it remained
>>>until a few years ago.  One of the family members, now in his 90's.
>>>stated that he knew all the parts for the engine were still there on the
>>>farm and knows close proximity to where they are located.  I have
>>>visited the site and believe him as its sort of like walking back in 
>>>time.
>>>
>>>Where he believes the parts are located has a large amount of scrap
>>>iron, junk, growth, etc and will require some work to pick through, dig,
>>>etc.
>>>
>>>The parts possible there include the intake and exhaust valve cage, the
>>>cross slide mechanism, the ignitor, governor, gas valve and other small
>>>parts.  This will be a bit like digging for gold.
>>>
>>>Now the question is, are there any folks out there game to make a
>>>digging excursion with me?  I have a friend who can bring in a skid
>>>steer and he'll spray to kill all the vegetation a couple weeks before
>>>the dig could begin.  I think the project, with 5 or 6 folks working,
>>>could be completed in a day and a half.  I've got shovels, picks, etc
>>>but I would need to access a metal detector to do the job right.
>>>
>>>I'd provide the meals, hotel room, and all the fire water needed.  We
>>>could gather at my place and then I'd transport everyone down to the
>>>site, which is about an 8 hour drive.
>>>
>>>Just something to think about.  I'll probably try to do this excursion
>>>in mid July.
>>>
>>>Tommy Turner
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jun 13 04:57:39 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:57:39 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>
	<4851F614.2060409@gmail.com><003d01c8cd3f$4be03e00$0200a8c0@altech>
	<48525BDD.7000502@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <000301c8cd4c$ada995c0$0200a8c0@altech>

You're a smart man Tommy, $$$$ plus fire water will get you  a hole to 
China, cheap ;-)))
Darn and I don't speak Spanish. :-)

Peter, Oz




> Peter,
>    I'll probably have to send you tickets to travel by boat....... not
> sure if we have any SEL members in the Springfield, MO area or have any
> close enough to me that they would meet me at my place and me take them
> to the site or not.  If not, I'm sure if I can find an interpreter that
> speaks Spanish I can find all the "dig help" I need (for a little $$$
> and a lot of fire water that is).
>
> Tommy Turner
>
>
>
> Peter Lowe wrote:
>
>>Hi Tommy
>>Well then, Al Harris is only across the river from me (10 mile) and if he 
>>is
>>travelling from Oz, he will need a travelling companion to keep him 
>>company
>>for the 21 hour flight, "First Class" of course.
>>We both await the mail man with our air tickets and look forward to 
>>putting
>>in a hard days work with you mate..
>>
>>Peter, Oz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Tommy, that sounds as if it came right out of a Travel Brochure.
>>>
>>>I think I can say without any fear of contradiction that quite
>>>a few "downunder" would be mighty pleased to accept your
>>>generous July offer. Just send blank cheques. :-)
>>>
>>>Al Harris
>>>Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>>>
>>>
>>>Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the 
>>>>dig".
>>>>
>>>>I acquired a 4 HP Springfield Type B that is missing parts.  Here's some
>>>>background and how this story is believed to have come about.  A man
>>>>named Hannebaum, from Missouri, worked in the Ohio works of the
>>>>Springfield Gas Engine shop in the 1890's.  He was quite the engineer
>>>>and its very possible the Type B Springfield was his design.  He moved
>>>>back to Missouri, near Springfield, and either brought the patterns with
>>>>him or possibly engine castings.  A few of the Type B Springfield style
>>>>engines were built, tagged with the Hannebaum name.  One was a 4 (or
>>>>believed to be a 4) HP that was installed in a grain elevator in
>>>>Billings, MO.
>>>>
>>>>It ran until 1945 when it was removed from service.  It was purchased
>>>>and taken to a farm a few miles from town when the engine was dismantled
>>>>and a wedge bolted on the piston to make a woodsplitter.  After being
>>>>used a few years the engine was set in the fence row where it remained
>>>>until a few years ago.  One of the family members, now in his 90's.
>>>>stated that he knew all the parts for the engine were still there on the
>>>>farm and knows close proximity to where they are located.  I have
>>>>visited the site and believe him as its sort of like walking back in
>>>>time.
>>>>
>>>>Where he believes the parts are located has a large amount of scrap
>>>>iron, junk, growth, etc and will require some work to pick through, dig,
>>>>etc.
>>>>
>>>>The parts possible there include the intake and exhaust valve cage, the
>>>>cross slide mechanism, the ignitor, governor, gas valve and other small
>>>>parts.  This will be a bit like digging for gold.
>>>>
>>>>Now the question is, are there any folks out there game to make a
>>>>digging excursion with me?  I have a friend who can bring in a skid
>>>>steer and he'll spray to kill all the vegetation a couple weeks before
>>>>the dig could begin.  I think the project, with 5 or 6 folks working,
>>>>could be completed in a day and a half.  I've got shovels, picks, etc
>>>>but I would need to access a metal detector to do the job right.
>>>>
>>>>I'd provide the meals, hotel room, and all the fire water needed.  We
>>>>could gather at my place and then I'd transport everyone down to the
>>>>site, which is about an 8 hour drive.
>>>>
>>>>Just something to think about.  I'll probably try to do this excursion
>>>>in mid July.
>>>>
>>>>Tommy Turner
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>SEL mailing list
>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jun 13 05:09:59 2008
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:09:59 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com> <4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>
	<003d01c8cd3f$4be03e00$0200a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <015701c8cd4e$82659e20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Er, Tom, Make that three!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig


> Hi Tommy
> Well then, Al Harris is only across the river from me (10 mile) and if he 
> is
> travelling from Oz, he will need a travelling companion to keep him 
> company
> for the 21 hour flight, "First Class" of course.
> We both await the mail man with our air tickets and look forward to 
> putting
> in a hard days work with you mate..
>
> Peter, Oz
>
>
>
>
>> Tommy, that sounds as if it came right out of a Travel Brochure.
>>
>> I think I can say without any fear of contradiction that quite
>> a few "downunder" would be mighty pleased to accept your
>> generous July offer. Just send blank cheques. :-)
>>
>> Al Harris
>> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>>
>>
>> Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>>> Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the 
>>> dig".
>>>
>>> I acquired a 4 HP Springfield Type B that is missing parts.  Here's some
>>> background and how this story is believed to have come about.  A man
>>> named Hannebaum, from Missouri, worked in the Ohio works of the
>>> Springfield Gas Engine shop in the 1890's.  He was quite the engineer
>>> and its very possible the Type B Springfield was his design.  He moved
>>> back to Missouri, near Springfield, and either brought the patterns with
>>> him or possibly engine castings.  A few of the Type B Springfield style
>>> engines were built, tagged with the Hannebaum name.  One was a 4 (or
>>> believed to be a 4) HP that was installed in a grain elevator in
>>> Billings, MO.
>>>
>>> It ran until 1945 when it was removed from service.  It was purchased
>>> and taken to a farm a few miles from town when the engine was dismantled
>>> and a wedge bolted on the piston to make a woodsplitter.  After being
>>> used a few years the engine was set in the fence row where it remained
>>> until a few years ago.  One of the family members, now in his 90's.
>>> stated that he knew all the parts for the engine were still there on the
>>> farm and knows close proximity to where they are located.  I have
>>> visited the site and believe him as its sort of like walking back in
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Where he believes the parts are located has a large amount of scrap
>>> iron, junk, growth, etc and will require some work to pick through, dig,
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> The parts possible there include the intake and exhaust valve cage, the
>>> cross slide mechanism, the ignitor, governor, gas valve and other small
>>> parts.  This will be a bit like digging for gold.
>>>
>>> Now the question is, are there any folks out there game to make a
>>> digging excursion with me?  I have a friend who can bring in a skid
>>> steer and he'll spray to kill all the vegetation a couple weeks before
>>> the dig could begin.  I think the project, with 5 or 6 folks working,
>>> could be completed in a day and a half.  I've got shovels, picks, etc
>>> but I would need to access a metal detector to do the job right.
>>>
>>> I'd provide the meals, hotel room, and all the fire water needed.  We
>>> could gather at my place and then I'd transport everyone down to the
>>> site, which is about an 8 hour drive.
>>>
>>> Just something to think about.  I'll probably try to do this excursion
>>> in mid July.
>>>
>>> Tommy Turner
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jun 13 05:12:09 2008
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:12:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>
	<4851F614.2060409@gmail.com><003d01c8cd3f$4be03e00$0200a8c0@altech>
	<48525BDD.7000502@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <016101c8cd4e$b5dcaaa0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Aw! fussy about who helps him, eh!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig


> Peter,
>    I'll probably have to send you tickets to travel by boat....... not
> sure if we have any SEL members in the Springfield, MO area or have any
> close enough to me that they would meet me at my place and me take them
> to the site or not.  If not, I'm sure if I can find an interpreter that
> speaks Spanish I can find all the "dig help" I need (for a little $$$
> and a lot of fire water that is).
>
> Tommy Turner
>
>
>
> Peter Lowe wrote:
>
>>Hi Tommy
>>Well then, Al Harris is only across the river from me (10 mile) and if he 
>>is
>>travelling from Oz, he will need a travelling companion to keep him 
>>company
>>for the 21 hour flight, "First Class" of course.
>>We both await the mail man with our air tickets and look forward to 
>>putting
>>in a hard days work with you mate..
>>
>>Peter, Oz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Tommy, that sounds as if it came right out of a Travel Brochure.
>>>
>>>I think I can say without any fear of contradiction that quite
>>>a few "downunder" would be mighty pleased to accept your
>>>generous July offer. Just send blank cheques. :-)
>>>
>>>Al Harris
>>>Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>>>
>>>
>>>Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the 
>>>>dig".
>>>>
>>>>I acquired a 4 HP Springfield Type B that is missing parts.  Here's some
>>>>background and how this story is believed to have come about.  A man
>>>>named Hannebaum, from Missouri, worked in the Ohio works of the
>>>>Springfield Gas Engine shop in the 1890's.  He was quite the engineer
>>>>and its very possible the Type B Springfield was his design.  He moved
>>>>back to Missouri, near Springfield, and either brought the patterns with
>>>>him or possibly engine castings.  A few of the Type B Springfield style
>>>>engines were built, tagged with the Hannebaum name.  One was a 4 (or
>>>>believed to be a 4) HP that was installed in a grain elevator in
>>>>Billings, MO.
>>>>
>>>>It ran until 1945 when it was removed from service.  It was purchased
>>>>and taken to a farm a few miles from town when the engine was dismantled
>>>>and a wedge bolted on the piston to make a woodsplitter.  After being
>>>>used a few years the engine was set in the fence row where it remained
>>>>until a few years ago.  One of the family members, now in his 90's.
>>>>stated that he knew all the parts for the engine were still there on the
>>>>farm and knows close proximity to where they are located.  I have
>>>>visited the site and believe him as its sort of like walking back in
>>>>time.
>>>>
>>>>Where he believes the parts are located has a large amount of scrap
>>>>iron, junk, growth, etc and will require some work to pick through, dig,
>>>>etc.
>>>>
>>>>The parts possible there include the intake and exhaust valve cage, the
>>>>cross slide mechanism, the ignitor, governor, gas valve and other small
>>>>parts.  This will be a bit like digging for gold.
>>>>
>>>>Now the question is, are there any folks out there game to make a
>>>>digging excursion with me?  I have a friend who can bring in a skid
>>>>steer and he'll spray to kill all the vegetation a couple weeks before
>>>>the dig could begin.  I think the project, with 5 or 6 folks working,
>>>>could be completed in a day and a half.  I've got shovels, picks, etc
>>>>but I would need to access a metal detector to do the job right.
>>>>
>>>>I'd provide the meals, hotel room, and all the fire water needed.  We
>>>>could gather at my place and then I'd transport everyone down to the
>>>>site, which is about an 8 hour drive.
>>>>
>>>>Just something to think about.  I'll probably try to do this excursion
>>>>in mid July.
>>>>
>>>>Tommy Turner
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>SEL mailing list
>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From alharris44 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 05:29:32 2008
From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:29:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <016101c8cd4e$b5dcaaa0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>	<4851F614.2060409@gmail.com><003d01c8cd3f$4be03e00$0200a8c0@altech>	<48525BDD.7000502@scrtc.com>
	<016101c8cd4e$b5dcaaa0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <4852682C.8060400@gmail.com>

Yeah, who wants ta go ta Montana anyhoo. I was looking to get 
some heavy FMZ parts back over the Pacific, free. ;-)

Al Harris

R & M Ingold wrote:
> Aw! fussy about who helps him, eh!
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
> 
> 
>> Peter,
>>    I'll probably have to send you tickets to travel by boat....... not
>> sure if we have any SEL members in the Springfield, MO area or have any
>> close enough to me that they would meet me at my place and me take them
>> to the site or not.  If not, I'm sure if I can find an interpreter that
>> speaks Spanish I can find all the "dig help" I need (for a little $$$
>> and a lot of fire water that is).
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Lowe wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tommy
>>> Well then, Al Harris is only across the river from me (10 mile) and if he 
>>> is
>>> travelling from Oz, he will need a travelling companion to keep him 
>>> company
>>> for the 21 hour flight, "First Class" of course.
>>> We both await the mail man with our air tickets and look forward to 
>>> putting
>>> in a hard days work with you mate..
>>>
>>> Peter, Oz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Tommy, that sounds as if it came right out of a Travel Brochure.
>>>>
>>>> I think I can say without any fear of contradiction that quite
>>>> a few "downunder" would be mighty pleased to accept your
>>>> generous July offer. Just send blank cheques. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Al Harris
>>>> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz


From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Jun 13 06:39:04 2008
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:39:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <48525BDD.7000502@scrtc.com>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>
	<4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>	<003d01c8cd3f$4be03e00$0200a8c0@altech>
	<48525BDD.7000502@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <48527878.1060205@telenet.net>

Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> Peter,
>     I'll probably have to send you tickets to travel by boat....... not 
> sure if we have any SEL members in the Springfield, MO area or have any 
> close enough to me that they would meet me at my place and me take them 
> to the site or not.  If not, I'm sure if I can find an interpreter that 
> speaks Spanish I can find all the "dig help" I need (for a little $$$ 
> and a lot of fire water that is).
> 
> Tommy Turner
> 
> 

Sounds like a great opportunity to do some "creative sentencing" of a 
few miscreants. I would say that cleaning up a potential health hazard 
(all that rusty iron might be an attractant to the "wrong" people you 
know) qualifies as community service.


-- 
Steve Williams
Firefighter,EMT, Fire Police
VanHornesville Vol. Fire Dept


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jun 13 08:06:06 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:06:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <48527878.1060205@telenet.net>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>	<4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>	<003d01c8cd3f$4be03e00$0200a8c0@altech>	<48525BDD.7000502@scrtc.com>
	<48527878.1060205@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <48528CDE.7070606@scrtc.com>

Yeah Steve, I've thought about that.  Now if this location was in KY, we 
might be able to pull it off.  Since its in MO I'd have to get a MO 
charge on them..... that's possible too!

Tommy Turner


>Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>  
>
>>Peter,
>>    I'll probably have to send you tickets to travel by boat....... not 
>>sure if we have any SEL members in the Springfield, MO area or have any 
>>close enough to me that they would meet me at my place and me take them 
>>to the site or not.  If not, I'm sure if I can find an interpreter that 
>>speaks Spanish I can find all the "dig help" I need (for a little $$$ 
>>and a lot of fire water that is).
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Sounds like a great opportunity to do some "creative sentencing" of a 
>few miscreants. I would say that cleaning up a potential health hazard 
>(all that rusty iron might be an attractant to the "wrong" people you 
>know) qualifies as community service.
>
>
>  
>



From bgrimley at bellsouth.net  Fri Jun 13 10:09:49 2008
From: bgrimley at bellsouth.net (bgrimley at bellsouth.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:09:49 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <061320081709.14831.4852A9DC000B988C000039EF22230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970A0403079D090D@att.net>


 Sounds like Tom Sawyer has been reincarnated, but has graduated from painting picket fences to excavating 
 junk piles - and in the middle of July! . Around here scrap iron brings $15 US per 100 lbs  - can you take all of it to junk yard?  Any rare bottles in there?
Bill in NC.   
 -------------- Original message from Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>: --------------


> Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the dig". 
> 
> I acquired a 4 HP Springfield Type B that is missing parts.  Here's some 
> background and how this story is believed to have come about.  A man 
> named Hannebaum, from Missouri, worked in the Ohio works of the 
> Springfield Gas Engine shop in the 1890's.  He was quite the engineer 
> and its very possible the Type B Springfield was his design.  He moved 
> back to Missouri, near Springfield, and either brought the patterns with 
> him or possibly engine castings.  A few of the Type B Springfield style 
> engines were built, tagged with the Hannebaum name.  One was a 4 (or 
> believed to be a 4) HP that was installed in a grain elevator in 
> Billings, MO. 
> 
> It ran until 1945 when it was removed from service.  It was purchased 
> and taken to a farm a few miles from town when the engine was dismantled 
> and a wedge bolted on the piston to make a woodsplitter.  After being 
> used a few years the engine was set in the fence row where it remained 
> until a few years ago.  One of the family members, now in his 90's. 
> stated that he knew all the parts for the engine were still there on the 
> farm and knows close proximity to where they are located.  I have 
> visited the site and believe him as its sort of like walking back in time. 
> 
> Where he believes the parts are located has a large amount of scrap 
> iron, junk, growth, etc and will require some work to pick through, dig, 
> etc.
> 
> The parts possible there include the intake and exhaust valve cage, the 
> cross slide mechanism, the ignitor, governor, gas valve and other small 
> parts.  This will be a bit like digging for gold.
> 
> Now the question is, are there any folks out there game to make a 
> digging excursion with me?  I have a friend who can bring in a skid 
> steer and he'll spray to kill all the vegetation a couple weeks before 
> the dig could begin.  I think the project, with 5 or 6 folks working, 
> could be completed in a day and a half.  I've got shovels, picks, etc 
> but I would need to access a metal detector to do the job right.
> 
> I'd provide the meals, hotel room, and all the fire water needed.  We 
> could gather at my place and then I'd transport everyone down to the 
> site, which is about an 8 hour drive.
> 
> Just something to think about.  I'll probably try to do this excursion 
> in mid July.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel  

From alharris44 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 13:41:49 2008
From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:41:49 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <061320081709.14831.4852A9DC000B988C000039EF22230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970A0403079D090D@att.net>
References: <061320081709.14831.4852A9DC000B988C000039EF22230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970A0403079D090D@att.net>
Message-ID: <4852DB8D.4010104@gmail.com>

The very relevant part of your post Bill is "scrap iron".

Metal recyclers in Oz are not discriminating between heritage 
value and scrap as they scour the properties (farms) for 
"laydown paddocks" and the majority of "cockies" (owners) are 
only too happy, in these hard times, to not even consider what 
pieces of value are being crushed/compacted. It's a sin.

Al Harris
Clarence Coast NSW Oz

bgrimley at bellsouth.net wrote:
>  Sounds like Tom Sawyer has been reincarnated, but has graduated from painting picket fences to excavating 
>  junk piles - and in the middle of July! . Around here scrap iron brings $15 US per 100 lbs  - can you take all of it to junk yard?  Any rare bottles in there?
> Bill in NC.   


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Jun 13 14:46:02 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:46:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Quality over the years
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613214338.00be2680@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613214338.00be2680@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <A59DB338-D2C5-4172-81BF-F67554504B6D@rustyiron.com>

On Jun 13, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:
> Anyway, to end an extremely long winded post - what are other list  
> members's thoughts on the subject?

Hi Jerry,
I have thoughts on the matter, but from the perspective of a Gringo.   
Off the top of my head, the engines I've owned have been American,  
Canadian, English and Scottish.  Without exception, the European  
engines have been of superior design and workmanship.  The Euros just  
put more effort into the deal.

The Americans and the Canadians, on the other hand, cut corners in  
design and workmanship, allowing them to produce engines at a more  
economical cost.

Waddaya wanna drive, a Ferrari or a Chevy?  That's the great thing  
about a free economy:  there's something for everyone.

Rob

P.S.
Would your mum have been able to make a living selling high-quality  
grinders at 50 ZAR a pop?











From alharris44 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 15:17:07 2008
From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:17:07 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Quality over the years
In-Reply-To: <A59DB338-D2C5-4172-81BF-F67554504B6D@rustyiron.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613214338.00be2680@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<A59DB338-D2C5-4172-81BF-F67554504B6D@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <4852F1E3.2050005@gmail.com>

Don't forget the ingenuity of "Ozzie's", Jerry and Rob.

We imported the lot, pinched a few good designs, made others 
under license and adapted them for our own use.

Then we maintained them with fencing wire and baling twine 
until they died, then laid them to rest in the "lay down" 
paddocks.

Then we had to learn to speak Jinglish, Taiwanglish and now 
Chinaglish to read the manuals of our new imports.

I have always hated the introduction of the "throw away 
society". I still attempt to repair before replacing.

Showing my age eh.

Al Harris
Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz

Rob Skinner wrote:
> On Jun 13, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:
>> Anyway, to end an extremely long winded post - what are other list  
>> members's thoughts on the subject?
> 
> Hi Jerry,
> I have thoughts on the matter, but from the perspective of a Gringo.   
> Off the top of my head, the engines I've owned have been American,  
> Canadian, English and Scottish.  Without exception, the European  
> engines have been of superior design and workmanship.  The Euros just  
> put more effort into the deal.
> 
> The Americans and the Canadians, on the other hand, cut corners in  
> design and workmanship, allowing them to produce engines at a more  
> economical cost.
> 
> Waddaya wanna drive, a Ferrari or a Chevy?  That's the great thing  
> about a free economy:  there's something for everyone.
> 
> Rob
> 
> P.S.
> Would your mum have been able to make a living selling high-quality  
> grinders at 50 ZAR a pop?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Jun 13 14:15:46 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:15:46 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Quality over the years
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613214338.00be2680@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys and Gals,
         I've just finished restoring 3 Bentall No.3 corn grinders. These 
are the small hand operated kind like the one on the left (just not so old) 
in this pic on Peter's site:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Bentall/Bentall20.htm>

         Of the 3 that I have just worked on I would imagine that the first 
2 date back to about the 1940's and the other is quite modern (probably 
1960's).

         I say this because the older 2 have the "ornate" Bentall name in 
the casting. The newer one has the Bentall name in a modern block type 
letter cast into the hopper.

         I picked up the modern one at a local "scrappie" - it was already 
in the "skip" bound for the smelters (possibly in China). I had to climb 
into the skip and dig it out - what we idiots won't do for a piece of old 
rust !!

         This one had the original Bentall flywheel missing and an 
aluminium pulley in it's place - the previous owner had probably had it 
running off a small electric motor (probably a washing machine motor). It 
was in the best condition of the three - the grinding parts were still in 
very good condition and I decided to restore it as a working example 
(complete with "non original" aluminium pulley) I managed to find another 
flywheel (unfortunately not Bentall) and plan to mount this "outboard" of 
the aluminium pulley. It is my intention to mount this grinder on a stand 
with a flat belt pulley on a counter shaft driving the grinder (small 
pulley/big pulley) to slow it down to working speed (probably 50 or 60 
R.P.M) and drive it off one of my engines at shows.

         Of the other 2 I kept the oldest one but it's grinder cone and 
plate were worn out and broken - I just (cast iron) welded them together 
again and assembled it. This one is going into my house as an ornament. It 
will probably still be able to grind corn but the intention is just to keep 
it as a display.

         The other one I restored and gave it to my friend, Justin, who 
does not have a grinder.

         Anyway, this post is about quality over the years ( at least 
that's what it says in the subject line)  :-)

         I found that the 2 older grinders (probably from the 1940's and 
one possibly older) were very well made whereas the later model was "just 
not up to standard". The castings on the newer one just do not fit together 
as well as those of the older ones - there are gaps between the 2 main 
castings and the castings are VERY rough. Almost as if the tradesmen making 
them had a "couldn't care less" attitude. The older castings lined up very 
nicely and the quality of the castings themselves was of a much higher 
standard.

         Something else that I found strange was that the new castings had 
"ridges" on  the mating face of one casting and "grooves" on the mating 
face of the other to aid in alignment but they still did not align 
correctly. The older castings did not have these ridges and grooves and yet 
they aligned correctly when bolting them together.

         My Mother (who is now 89 years old) use to be a representative 
(travelling salesman/woman) for a big wholesaler selling to the rural areas 
in the 1960's & early 1970's and remembers selling "hundreds" of Bentall 
hand grinders for ZAR 16.00 each - in those days ZAR 1.00 was equal to US$ 
1.00 or 2.00 Pounds Sterling.  (P.S. She often tells me to thank the guys 
on the list for all the good wishes she received from list members after 
she was attacked a year or so ago.)

         So we are not talking about a "megabucks" item but the fact 
remains that the older models were of a much higher standard (workmanship 
wise) than the later models.

         Now, with respect to my British friends on the list (I have many 
and respect them all) - this timespan seems to tie up with the time that 
the British Trade Unions were at their strongest and British industry was 
at it's lowest ebb (ie. before Maggie Thatcher sorted them out). I'm of 
British descent (Welsh actually - what do you expect with a name like 
Evans) and have always held a high regard for British workmanship - which 
may explain my preference for British engines - "Ruston & Hornsby" rules !!.

         Anyway, to end an extremely long winded post - what are other list 
members's thoughts on the subject?

P.S. In later years Bentall grinders were also produced (under licence) in 
South Africa but these all had the words "Made in South Africa" included in 
the casting (part of our local content programme). The grinder mentioned 
above was not made in South Africa

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jun 13 16:22:02 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:22:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] DIY V12 Engine
In-Reply-To: <ee3dbe4d60a7793fbe752ea915201479@btes.tv>
References: <1213223453.4850521df3999@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BAY144-W3BD0E8B47A5BAC1CBE41295AD0@phx.gbl>
	<1213237057.4850874175e66@webmail.city-net.com>
	<ee3dbe4d60a7793fbe752ea915201479@btes.tv>
Message-ID: <1213399322.4853011aa9759@webmail.city-net.com>

Sure.  But custom home builders?  THEY carry thick wads of $100 bills and eat
caviar.  8-))

Quoting John Culp <johnculp at btes.tv>:

> Say it ain't so! Don't graduates of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics 
> carry big rolls of bills and eat steak?




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Jun 13 16:28:54 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:28:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Quality over the years
In-Reply-To: <4852F1E3.2050005@gmail.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613214338.00be2680@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<A59DB338-D2C5-4172-81BF-F67554504B6D@rustyiron.com>
	<4852F1E3.2050005@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3333B987-5DE4-4637-977A-EA12DF7FEC7A@rustyiron.com>


On Jun 13, 2008, at 3:17 PM, Al Harris wrote:

> Don't forget the ingenuity of "Ozzie's", Jerry and Rob.


Right on, Al.  I forgot about the one Aussie engine that I've owned.   
Workmanship was exceptional, on a par with the Euro iron, and it  
should have been considering Austals are functional rip-offs of the  
Blackstone.  The aesthetics, as you know, were more bucolic and not  
nearly as elegant as the Blackie.

I was very impressed with the quality of the Austral castings.  Are  
they characteristic of all Australian engines, or did some of your  
manufacturers do shoddy work, also?






From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Jun 13 14:35:50 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:35:50 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Quality over the years/correction
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613233028.00bdd500@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys and Gals,

	OOPs - correction !!
	My Mother (who is now 89 years old) use to be a representative (travelling 
salesman/woman) for a big wholesaler selling to the rural areas in the 
1960's & early 1970's and remembers selling "hundreds" of Bentall hand 
grinders for ZAR 16.00 each - in those days ZAR 1.00 was equal to US$ 1.00 
or 2.00 Pounds Sterling.

CORRECTION:
	In those days ZAR 1.00 was not equal to 2.00 English Pounds - ZAR 2.00 was 
equal to 1 English Pound. (US$ conversion was correct).
Sorry!
Jerry



From alharris44 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 17:04:31 2008
From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:04:31 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Quality over the years
In-Reply-To: <3333B987-5DE4-4637-977A-EA12DF7FEC7A@rustyiron.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613214338.00be2680@mail.cyberserv.co.za>	<A59DB338-D2C5-4172-81BF-F67554504B6D@rustyiron.com>	<4852F1E3.2050005@gmail.com>
	<3333B987-5DE4-4637-977A-EA12DF7FEC7A@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <48530B0F.40705@gmail.com>

I think you have a good handle on it mate.

No spit and polish and caste iron frills. Just plain and 
functional in the main. See vertical Rosebery engines as an 
example and pumps and grinding wheel stands etc. Plain Janes 
you could call most of them.

I took a 3HP vertical Rosebery out of a paddock and had it 
going in about 3 weeks. It had been there for about 40 years. 
That's robust.

Cheers,
Al

Rob Skinner wrote:
> On Jun 13, 2008, at 3:17 PM, Al Harris wrote:
> 
>> Don't forget the ingenuity of "Ozzie's", Jerry and Rob.
> 
> 
> Right on, Al.  I forgot about the one Aussie engine that I've owned.   
> Workmanship was exceptional, on a par with the Euro iron, and it  
> should have been considering Austals are functional rip-offs of the  
> Blackstone.  The aesthetics, as you know, were more bucolic and not  
> nearly as elegant as the Blackie.
> 
> I was very impressed with the quality of the Austral castings.  Are  
> they characteristic of all Australian engines, or did some of your  
> manufacturers do shoddy work, also?
> 
>


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jun 13 17:32:11 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:32:11 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Quality over the years
In-Reply-To: <3333B987-5DE4-4637-977A-EA12DF7FEC7A@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <20080614003158.BGMT11861.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Ronaldson-Tippett made very nice engines with very good castings and
excellent machining. All of the 'big' Aussie manufacturers seem to have been
able to make excellent castings. I can only speak for engines I have seen
but Rosebery Engine Works generally had very good casting although some of
the later verticals sometimes exhibit casting flaws. Kelly & Lewis seem to
have also made good castings (especially on some of the early engines like
Bartrams). Star engines are a little rough and ready but solidly built. The
Clutterbuck copy of Blackstones are nearly a match for the original.
I have seen an Australian made copy of a YA Stover and the castings were
quite poor.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

-----Original Message-----



Right on, Al.  I forgot about the one Aussie engine that I've owned.   
Workmanship was exceptional, on a par with the Euro iron, and it  
should have been considering Austals are functional rip-offs of the  
Blackstone.  The aesthetics, as you know, were more bucolic and not  
nearly as elegant as the Blackie.

I was very impressed with the quality of the Austral castings.  Are  
they characteristic of all Australian engines, or did some of your  
manufacturers do shoddy work, also?






From johnculp at btes.tv  Fri Jun 13 18:46:20 2008
From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:46:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] DIY V12 Engine
In-Reply-To: <1213399322.4853011aa9759@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1213223453.4850521df3999@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BAY144-W3BD0E8B47A5BAC1CBE41295AD0@phx.gbl>
	<1213237057.4850874175e66@webmail.city-net.com>
	<ee3dbe4d60a7793fbe752ea915201479@btes.tv>
	<1213399322.4853011aa9759@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <d6457b7081ec6fbbf7d2930f2b946487@btes.tv>

That caviar stuff always sounded fishy to me.

John

On Jun 13, 2008, at 7:22 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

> Sure.  But custom home builders?  THEY carry thick wads of $100 bills 
> and eat
> caviar.  8-))
>
> Quoting John Culp <johnculp at btes.tv>:
>
>> Say it ain't so! Don't graduates of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics
>> carry big rolls of bills and eat steak?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Jun 13 12:43:28 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:43:28 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1213372802.22529.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613212637.00bdabf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 13/06/2008, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:42:49 -0400
>From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
>Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the dig".
>
>I acquired a 4 HP Springfield <big snip>
>
>Tommy Turner

Hi Tommy,
         What a great idea - a real "restoration adventure".

         Damn those Aussies for getting in first - if you need a South 
African just let me know - I don't need a "first class" ticket - damn, I'll 
even travel "stowage" <grin>.

         I think that your idea is really tremendous and look forward to 
reading the story.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jun 13 19:55:26 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:55:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <4851F34A.6060805@scrtc.com>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com> <4851F34A.6060805@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <1213412126.4853331e637b4@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Tommy,

Man, what a really KEWL idea!!  I'll check my calendar and let you know.
This is a classic engine adventure along the same lines as the Tod engine
project.  I can see a lot of wild tales that come out of this adventure.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:

> I should have added that I think we'll document this effort well, 
> photos, etc. as I think it would make a great GEM story.
> 
> TT
> 
> 
> 
> Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> 
> >Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the dig". 
> >
> >I acquired a 4 HP Springfield Type B that is missing parts.  Here's some 
> >background and how this story is believed to have come about.  A man 
> >named Hannebaum, from Missouri, worked in the Ohio works of the 
> >Springfield Gas Engine shop in the 1890's.  He was quite the engineer 
> >and its very possible the Type B Springfield was his design.  He moved 
> >back to Missouri, near Springfield, and either brought the patterns with 
> >him or possibly engine castings.  A few of the Type B Springfield style 
> >engines were built, tagged with the Hannebaum name.  One was a 4 (or 
> >believed to be a 4) HP that was installed in a grain elevator in 
> >Billings, MO. 
> >
> >It ran until 1945 when it was removed from service.  It was purchased 
> >and taken to a farm a few miles from town when the engine was dismantled 
> >and a wedge bolted on the piston to make a woodsplitter.  After being 
> >used a few years the engine was set in the fence row where it remained 
> >until a few years ago.  One of the family members, now in his 90's. 
> >stated that he knew all the parts for the engine were still there on the 
> >farm and knows close proximity to where they are located.  I have 
> >visited the site and believe him as its sort of like walking back in time. 
> >
> >Where he believes the parts are located has a large amount of scrap 
> >iron, junk, growth, etc and will require some work to pick through, dig, 
> >etc.
> >
> >The parts possible there include the intake and exhaust valve cage, the 
> >cross slide mechanism, the ignitor, governor, gas valve and other small 
> >parts.  This will be a bit like digging for gold.
> >
> >Now the question is, are there any folks out there game to make a 
> >digging excursion with me?  I have a friend who can bring in a skid 
> >steer and he'll spray to kill all the vegetation a couple weeks before 
> >the dig could begin.  I think the project, with 5 or 6 folks working, 
> >could be completed in a day and a half.  I've got shovels, picks, etc 
> >but I would need to access a metal detector to do the job right.
> >
> >I'd provide the meals, hotel room, and all the fire water needed.  We 
> >could gather at my place and then I'd transport everyone down to the 
> >site, which is about an 8 hour drive.
> >
> >Just something to think about.  I'll probably try to do this excursion 
> >in mid July.



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jun 13 20:08:25 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:08:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613212637.00bdabf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613212637.00bdabf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <48533629.6000909@scrtc.com>

Thanks Jerry.  I remember purchasing an engine, a 14 HP Hagan, many 
years ago and it was somewhat of the same scenerio.  The engine had been 
disassembled and parts scattered.  This was in the KY oilfields and the 
dismantled pieces taken to other buildings to use as spare parts.  He 
seller, who ran the oil fields, told me that he knew quite a few of the 
parts were around but we would have to search them out and any parts we 
could find, even spare parts, we could have.  We spent a day traveling 
from building to building and looking in and around the old pump 
houses.  We found nearly everything that was missing plus several extra 
parts.  It was a lot of fun and something I remember well even though 
this was almost 30 years ago.  Not sure if the current search will be as 
fun as its in the middle of the summer.  But, its sort of like searching 
for lost treasure.  That's always fun no matter the weather.

Tommy Turner



Jerry Evans wrote:

>At 06:00 PM 13/06/2008, you wrote:
>  
>
>>Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:42:49 -0400
>>From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
>>Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the dig".
>>
>>I acquired a 4 HP Springfield <big snip>
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>    
>>
>
>Hi Tommy,
>         What a great idea - a real "restoration adventure".
>
>         Damn those Aussies for getting in first - if you need a South 
>African just let me know - I don't need a "first class" ticket - damn, I'll 
>even travel "stowage" <grin>.
>
>         I think that your idea is really tremendous and look forward to 
>reading the story.
>
>Keep the revs up (or down)
>Jerry Evans
>Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
>www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>


From garyepps at fidnet.com  Fri Jun 13 20:17:19 2008
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:17:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <48528CDE.7070606@scrtc.com>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com> <4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>
	<003d01c8cd3f$4be03e00$0200a8c0@altech> <48525BDD.7000502@scrtc.com>
	<48527878.1060205@telenet.net> <48528CDE.7070606@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <375acf600806132017va91a597n18872babfc188dd0@mail.gmail.com>

Tommy,

What do you have?  I live about 60 miles south and east of Springfield, MO.
I am recovering from back surgery and had a stroke last week, but I am
recovering nicely from that.  Probably not much of a digger, what can I do
to be helpful?  My email is:  thegepps at gmail.com   if you want to contact me
direct.  I can also give you a phone number if that would be helpful.  You
can spot me on a map if you wish, I am south of Hiway 160 about 45 miles
east of Branson, MO.  I am just west of Theodosia, MO.

Gary

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
wrote:

> Yeah Steve, I've thought about that.  Now if this location was in KY, we
> might be able to pull it off.  Since its in MO I'd have to get a MO
> charge on them..... that's possible too!
>
> Tommy Turner
>
>
> >Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Peter,
> >>    I'll probably have to send you tickets to travel by boat....... not
> >>sure if we have any SEL members in the Springfield, MO area or have any
> >>close enough to me that they would meet me at my place and me take them
> >>to the site or not.  If not, I'm sure if I can find an interpreter that
> >>speaks Spanish I can find all the "dig help" I need (for a little $$$
> >>and a lot of fire water that is).
> >>
> >>Tommy Turner
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Sounds like a great opportunity to do some "creative sentencing" of a
> >few miscreants. I would say that cleaning up a potential health hazard
> >(all that rusty iron might be an attractant to the "wrong" people you
> >know) qualifies as community service.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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>


From alharris44 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 20:41:18 2008
From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:41:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613212637.00bdabf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613212637.00bdabf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <48533DDE.10808@gmail.com>



Jerry Evans wrote:
> At 06:00 PM 13/06/2008, you wrote:
>> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:42:49 -0400
>> From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>> Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
>> Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the dig".
>>
>> I acquired a 4 HP Springfield <big snip>
>>
>> Tommy Turner
> 
> Hi Tommy,
>          What a great idea - a real "restoration adventure".
> 
>          Damn those Aussies for getting in first - if you need a South 
> African just let me know - I don't need a "first class" ticket - damn, I'll 
> even travel "stowage" <grin>.

Ah, cut price war huh, or are you turning history on its ear? ;-)

Al Harris
Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 23:05:17 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:05:17 +0100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Quality over the years
In-Reply-To: <20080614003158.BGMT11861.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <3333B987-5DE4-4637-977A-EA12DF7FEC7A@rustyiron.com>
	<20080614003158.BGMT11861.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806132305r7692e301k318aff1da0150a6e@mail.gmail.com>

On 14/06/2008, Patrick M Livingstone <pml1 at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> Ronaldson-Tippett made very nice engines with very good castings and
> excellent machining. All of the 'big' Aussie manufacturers seem to have been
> able to make excellent castings. I can only speak for engines I have seen
> but Rosebery Engine Works generally had very good casting although some of
> the later verticals sometimes exhibit casting flaws. Kelly & Lewis seem to
> have also made good castings (especially on some of the early engines like
> Bartrams). Star engines are a little rough and ready but solidly built. The
> Clutterbuck copy of Blackstones are nearly a match for the original.
> I have seen an Australian made copy of a YA Stover and the castings were
> quite poor.
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
>

The casting situation in most engine companies was that they all did
it in-house, and it was a matter of personal pride that the casting
quality was as good as technology allowed in those days.

Having said that, there are many reports of bad castings in
Blackstones that had been filled before painting, and I am sure that
other engine makers had the occasional bad one that slipped through.

Gardners had a huge foundry, one of the largest in the industry, and
Listers also had a very big foundry site, all now gone.

In addition, there were many specialist founders, right up to the
1950's who could cast a few hundred tons in one mould for you, that
has also nearly all disappeared now.

When we stopped making railway steam locos, shipbuilding & machine
tools declined, we lost that facility to make big castings. A lot of
what used to be cast is now fabricated.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jun 14 06:43:15 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:43:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org
Message-ID: <6f6025160806140643j5ccf0171mcc92fa8b3efcd179@mail.gmail.com>

Just to let everyone know that there is a problem with the
Oldengine.org server, and that we are aware of the problem.

Jim is trying to get it sorted out as we type. As the Oldengine list
email is also affected, please pass this on to anyone that hasn't
picked it up from the SEL list.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From Frank at lbpinc.com  Sat Jun 14 09:45:21 2008
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:45:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  O.T. Quality over the years
Message-ID: <20080614164527.868DD592DB@gw1.nlenet.net>

It is clear that you can make more money selling something cheep and 
selling a lot of them, then selling a few for a lot.  There are just 
a lot more people with a little money then with a lot of money.  what 
is not cleat to me is why manufacturers, or consumers, at one tome 
thought extra pin striping, fancy castings, ETC were necessary.

I have a few Pelton compressors and I have seen many others.  These 
would have been used in the basement or back room of a dentist 
office, and were inside a sheet metal enclosure. The early ones have 
ornate flywheels, gold pin striping, fancy castings knurled nuts for 
electrical connection,  All this is gone on the later ones.

It seems that either people used to associated these things with 
quality, and later didn't,
or when they first came out they were expensive and therefor people 
expected the extras, as price went down, less was expected.

Frank



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jun 14 10:47:18 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:47:18 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160806140643j5ccf0171mcc92fa8b3efcd179@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160806140643j5ccf0171mcc92fa8b3efcd179@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806141047t4a332049n59d150a4dbfee49@mail.gmail.com>

On 14/06/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just to let everyone know that there is a problem with the
> Oldengine.org server, and that we are aware of the problem.
>
> Jim is trying to get it sorted out as we type. As the Oldengine list
> email is also affected, please pass this on to anyone that hasn't
> picked it up from the SEL list.
>

The issue appears to have been resolved and the site is running again.

Hope it hasn't caused anyone any problems.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 14 12:55:09 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:55:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] DIY V12 Engine
In-Reply-To: <1213399322.4853011aa9759@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1213223453.4850521df3999@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BAY144-W3BD0E8B47A5BAC1CBE41295AD0@phx.gbl>
	<1213237057.4850874175e66@webmail.city-net.com>
	<ee3dbe4d60a7793fbe752ea915201479@btes.tv> 
	<1213399322.4853011aa9759@webmail.city-net.com>
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Methinks you meant to say  sardines not caviar!
 
                                              Steve
 
 
 
 
> > Sure. But custom home builders? THEY carry thick wads of $100 bills and eat> caviar. 8-))> > Quoting John Culp <johnculp at btes.tv>:> > > Say it ain't so! Don't graduates of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics > > carry big rolls of bills and eat steak?> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From bgrimley at bellsouth.net  Sat Jun 14 09:15:28 2008
From: bgrimley at bellsouth.net (bgrimley at bellsouth.net)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:15:28 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <4852DB8D.4010104@gmail.com>
References: <061320081709.14831.4852A9DC000B988C000039EF22230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970A0403079D090D@att.net>
	<4852DB8D.4010104@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <061420081615.14623.4853EE9F000B93610000391F22193100029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970A0403079D090D@att.net>


 Everyone sure needs to be vigilant these days - some scrap thieves were "investigating" my place a few months ago - departed just before I arrived - don't think they got much other than a heavy copper cable, but have since posted the property to facilitate their arrest if I ever see them.  Also alerted the neighbors. Believe those persons have since been arrested over some other copper theft.  Tommy has got to move fast if scrappers get wind of the amount laying around that place. 
Bill   -------------- Original message from Al Harris <alharris44 at gmail.com>: --------------


> The very relevant part of your post Bill is "scrap iron".
> 
> Metal recyclers in Oz are not discriminating between heritage 
> value and scrap as they scour the properties (farms) for 
> "laydown paddocks" and the majority of "cockies" (owners) are 
> only too happy, in these hard times, to not even consider what 
> pieces of value are being crushed/compacted. It's a sin.
> 
> Al Harris
> Clarence Coast NSW Oz
> 
> bgrimley at bellsouth.net wrote:
> >  Sounds like Tom Sawyer has been reincarnated, but has graduated from painting 
> picket fences to excavating 
> >  junk piles - and in the middle of July! . Around here scrap iron brings $15 
> US per 100 lbs  - can you take all of it to junk yard?  Any rare bottles in 
> there?
> > Bill in NC.   
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jun 14 17:58:42 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:58:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160806141047t4a332049n59d150a4dbfee49@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEGMHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

I just tried to load my home page 7:55pm E.D.T.    ......

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

............and I got the same truck page I did this morning.  It's still not working.

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:47 PM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; Stationary-Engine
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Oldengine.org
> 
> 
> On 14/06/2008, Listerdiesel 
> <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just to let everyone know that there is a 
> problem with the
> > Oldengine.org server, and that we are aware of 
> the problem.
> >
> > Jim is trying to get it sorted out as we type. 
> As the Oldengine list
> > email is also affected, please pass this on to 
> anyone that hasn't
> > picked it up from the SEL list.
> >
> 
> The issue appears to have been resolved and the 
> site is running again.
> 
> Hope it hasn't caused anyone any problems.
> 
> Peter




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jun 14 17:18:07 2008
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:18:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org
Message-ID: <20080614.171807.1596.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 It works for me Elden.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:58:42 -0500 "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
writes:
> Peter:
> 
> I just tried to load my home page 7:55pm E.D.T.    ......
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
> 
> ............and I got the same truck page I did this morning.  It's 
> still not working.
> 
> Take care - Elden 
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jun 14 18:40:49 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:40:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org
In-Reply-To: <20080614.171807.1596.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEGNHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron

Well, drat !  I must not be doing something right.  Lemmesee here, I'll check it again.

...........................................checking the web page.....................

Well!  How about that!  It's back.  It musta been you that made it work.

Thanks, Ron.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 07:18 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Oldengine.org
> 
> 
>  It works for me Elden.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
> 
> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:58:42 -0500 "Elden DuRand" 
> <edurand at mchsi.com>
> writes:
> > Peter:
> > 
> > I just tried to load my home page 7:55pm E.D.T. 
>    ......
> > 
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
> > 
> > ............and I got the same truck page I did 
> this morning.  It's 
> > still not working.
> > 
> > Take care - Elden 




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Jun 14 19:35:09 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:35:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Holt 111 under steam
In-Reply-To: <20080614.165919.1596.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20080614.165919.1596.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <00D63FE9-487D-4F3E-BFD2-2EB13275101C@rustyiron.com>

On Jun 14, 2008, at 4:59 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
>  There is
> probably already video on U Tube.




Your wish is my command, Ron-san.

Go here and click on the Don Hunter video:
http://www.youtube.com/user/rustyironrob






From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Jun 14 19:39:22 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:39:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Holt 111 under steam
In-Reply-To: <00D63FE9-487D-4F3E-BFD2-2EB13275101C@rustyiron.com>
References: <20080614.165919.1596.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<00D63FE9-487D-4F3E-BFD2-2EB13275101C@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <613F52E2-9DED-4242-BE6B-F5B3A0DBE1A0@rustyiron.com>

Sorry.  It will be a little bit while YouTube processes the file.
Rob



>
>
> Your wish is my command, Ron-san.
>
> Go here and click on the Don Hunter video:
> http://www.youtube.com/user/rustyironrob
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jun 14 19:52:06 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:52:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <1213412126.4853331e637b4@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com> <4851F34A.6060805@scrtc.com>
	<1213412126.4853331e637b4@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <485483D6.6050707@scrtc.com>

Thanks Arnie.  I'll see you  at Coolspring in a few days.

Tommy



fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

>Hi Tommy,
>
>Man, what a really KEWL idea!!  I'll check my calendar and let you know.
>This is a classic engine adventure along the same lines as the Tod engine
>project.  I can see a lot of wild tales that come out of this adventure.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:
>
>  
>
>>I should have added that I think we'll document this effort well, 
>>photos, etc. as I think it would make a great GEM story.
>>
>>TT
>>
>>
>>
>>Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the dig". 
>>>
>>>I acquired a 4 HP Springfield Type B that is missing parts.  Here's some 
>>>background and how this story is believed to have come about.  A man 
>>>named Hannebaum, from Missouri, worked in the Ohio works of the 
>>>Springfield Gas Engine shop in the 1890's.  He was quite the engineer 
>>>and its very possible the Type B Springfield was his design.  He moved 
>>>back to Missouri, near Springfield, and either brought the patterns with 
>>>him or possibly engine castings.  A few of the Type B Springfield style 
>>>engines were built, tagged with the Hannebaum name.  One was a 4 (or 
>>>believed to be a 4) HP that was installed in a grain elevator in 
>>>Billings, MO. 
>>>
>>>It ran until 1945 when it was removed from service.  It was purchased 
>>>and taken to a farm a few miles from town when the engine was dismantled 
>>>and a wedge bolted on the piston to make a woodsplitter.  After being 
>>>used a few years the engine was set in the fence row where it remained 
>>>until a few years ago.  One of the family members, now in his 90's. 
>>>stated that he knew all the parts for the engine were still there on the 
>>>farm and knows close proximity to where they are located.  I have 
>>>visited the site and believe him as its sort of like walking back in time. 
>>>
>>>Where he believes the parts are located has a large amount of scrap 
>>>iron, junk, growth, etc and will require some work to pick through, dig, 
>>>etc.
>>>
>>>The parts possible there include the intake and exhaust valve cage, the 
>>>cross slide mechanism, the ignitor, governor, gas valve and other small 
>>>parts.  This will be a bit like digging for gold.
>>>
>>>Now the question is, are there any folks out there game to make a 
>>>digging excursion with me?  I have a friend who can bring in a skid 
>>>steer and he'll spray to kill all the vegetation a couple weeks before 
>>>the dig could begin.  I think the project, with 5 or 6 folks working, 
>>>could be completed in a day and a half.  I've got shovels, picks, etc 
>>>but I would need to access a metal detector to do the job right.
>>>
>>>I'd provide the meals, hotel room, and all the fire water needed.  We 
>>>could gather at my place and then I'd transport everyone down to the 
>>>site, which is about an 8 hour drive.
>>>
>>>Just something to think about.  I'll probably try to do this excursion 
>>>in mid July.
>>>      
>>>
>
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From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Fri Jun 13 06:05:47 2008
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:05:47 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com> <4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <485270AB.3040101@optusnet.com.au>

Al Harris wrote:
> Tommy, that sounds as if it came right out of a Travel Brochure.
> 
> I think I can say without any fear of contradiction that quite 
> a few "downunder" would be mighty pleased to accept your 
> generous July offer. Just send blank cheques. :-)
> 
> Al Harris
> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz
-===
Al, Peter & Reg

You guys just gotta think big. When Tommy sends the cheque, we'll hire a 
jumbo and ALL go help. That way, we'll be able to bring back some 
serious iron.

P.S. Do metal detectors work in the other hemisphere? Like up-under? 
Seems they'll be digging upwards?

Jack
===



From alharris44 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 14 20:52:58 2008
From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:52:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <485270AB.3040101@optusnet.com.au>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com> <4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>
	<485270AB.3040101@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <4854921A.1090600@gmail.com>

Ya know, ya just gotta give it to the old blokes. They come up 
with the greatest ideas. :-)

So, do ya reckon ya fall *out* of holes "up under" Jack, not 
into 'em?

Cheers,
Al Harris
Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz


Jack Watson wrote:
> Al Harris wrote:
>> Tommy, that sounds as if it came right out of a Travel Brochure.
>>
>> I think I can say without any fear of contradiction that quite 
>> a few "downunder" would be mighty pleased to accept your 
>> generous July offer. Just send blank cheques. :-)
>>
>> Al Harris
>> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz
> -===
> Al, Peter & Reg
> 
> You guys just gotta think big. When Tommy sends the cheque, we'll hire a 
> jumbo and ALL go help. That way, we'll be able to bring back some 
> serious iron.
> 
> P.S. Do metal detectors work in the other hemisphere? Like up-under? 
> Seems they'll be digging upwards?
> 
> Jack
> ===


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jun 14 20:57:37 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:57:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <485270AB.3040101@optusnet.com.au>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com> <4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>
	<485270AB.3040101@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <48549331.5050505@scrtc.com>

Jack,
    Everything will be done in reverse here.  Instead of digging under 
foot, you'll have to dig overhead.  Get me the address of where the 
check is to be sent.....

Tommy Turner



Jack Watson wrote:

>Al Harris wrote:
>  
>
>>Tommy, that sounds as if it came right out of a Travel Brochure.
>>
>>I think I can say without any fear of contradiction that quite 
>>a few "downunder" would be mighty pleased to accept your 
>>generous July offer. Just send blank cheques. :-)
>>
>>Al Harris
>>Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>>    
>>
>-===
>Al, Peter & Reg
>
>You guys just gotta think big. When Tommy sends the cheque, we'll hire a 
>jumbo and ALL go help. That way, we'll be able to bring back some 
>serious iron.
>
>P.S. Do metal detectors work in the other hemisphere? Like up-under? 
>Seems they'll be digging upwards?
>
>Jack
>===
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jun 14 22:32:37 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 06:32:37 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEGNHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <20080614.171807.1596.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEGNHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806142232yf21fae2w6007101956c7bb6e@mail.gmail.com>

On 15/06/2008, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Ron
>
> Well, drat !  I must not be doing something right.  Lemmesee here, I'll
> check it again.
>
> ...........................................checking the web
> page.....................
>
> Well!  How about that!  It's back.  It musta been you that made it work.
>
> Thanks, Ron.
>
> Take care - Elden

When the DNS is changed (the web location of the name server that
carries the site) it takes a while for the change to propagate through
the web. The change from toltbbs.com to the standby server of Network
Associates would have taken a few hours, and the change back again
similarly.

Some web servers would have changed back again quicker than others, it
just depends on where they are and other traffic, plus whether other
users looked for the same web address.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jun 15 00:08:52 2008
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:08:52 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <4854921A.1090600@gmail.com>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>
	<4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>	<485270AB.3040101@optusnet.com.au>
	<4854921A.1090600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4854C004.40801@optusnet.com.au>

Al Harris wrote:
> Ya know, ya just gotta give it to the old blokes. They come up 
> with the greatest ideas. :-)
> 
> So, do ya reckon ya fall *out* of holes "up under" Jack, not 
> into 'em?
> 
> Cheers,
> Al Harris
==
Well, Al, it stands to reason, doesn't it?

I mean, if we dug a hole all the way through the earth from here in Oz 
to Tommy's place and fell into it, we'd only fall down for the first 
half, then we'd be falling up again towards his end?

Don't try this at home, kiddies. You might stop halfway.

Jack
===



From gastzt at aol.com  Sun Jun 15 04:28:53 2008
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:28:53 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
Message-ID: <c1a.3e866dd1.358656f5@aol.com>

Hmmmm!  just wonder if you did on a 30 degree angle if maybe U came out in 
Texas?  huh?   ha!
  Stan
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Jun 15 07:29:48 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:29:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160806142232yf21fae2w6007101956c7bb6e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEHCHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

Thanks for 'splanin' that there teknickel tawk to this here hillbilly.

For a while there, I was in a panic thinking I'd have to find another provider for my page.  Since it is a hobby, it would be a hard sell to the "Secretary of The Treasury" to justify getting a URL registered then paying to host the site.

Thanks to Jim Dunmeyer and all who keep oldengine.org going.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:33 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Oldengine.org
> 
> 
> On 15/06/2008, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> > Ron
> >
> > Well, drat !  I must not be doing something 
> right.  Lemmesee here, I'll
> > check it again.
> >
> > 
> ...........................................checkin
> g the web
> > page.....................
> >
> > Well!  How about that!  It's back.  It musta 
> been you that made it work.
> >
> > Thanks, Ron.
> >
> > Take care - Elden
> 
> When the DNS is changed (the web location of the 
> name server that
> carries the site) it takes a while for the change 
> to propagate through
> the web. The change from toltbbs.com to the 
> standby server of Network
> Associates would have taken a few hours, and the 
> change back again
> similarly.
> 
> Some web servers would have changed back again 
> quicker than others, it
> just depends on where they are and other traffic, 
> plus whether other
> users looked for the same web address.
> 
> Peter




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 22:38:10 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 06:38:10 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Housekeeping at Oldengine.org
Message-ID: <6f6025160806152238m129683d0j7a3d7bf0fc689a42@mail.gmail.com>

In the next few weeks we are going to perform some housekeeping at
Oldengine to clear out a lot of dead links on the Member's Page, and
to move any Member's listing for a site that is not hosted on
Oldengine.org to the 'Other Sites' page.

This will not materially affect anyone with websites hosted on Oldengine.org.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From gibsongus at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 15 22:38:23 2008
From: gibsongus at earthlink.net (Gus)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:38:23 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [SEL] Holt 111 under steam
Message-ID: <10873038.1213594704176.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Rob I know my comp. is slow but two days and no Don Hunter tractor?????
Mr. GUS
-----Original Message-----
>From: Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
>Sent: Jun 14, 2008 7:39 PM
>To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>Cc: Stationary-Engine ATIS <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Holt 111 under steam
>
>Sorry.  It will be a little bit while YouTube processes the file.
>Rob
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> Your wish is my command, Ron-san.
>>
>> Go here and click on the Don Hunter video:
>> http://www.youtube.com/user/rustyironrob
>>
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 22:52:22 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 06:52:22 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Mirror Site for Oldengine.org - Oldengine.co.uk
Message-ID: <6f6025160806152252w4b6188fdr6da9b3804dc943a4@mail.gmail.com>

During the next few months, we will be setting up a mirror site for
Member's websites hosted at Oldengine.org, on a server in the UK,
Oldengine.co.uk.

Most of the member's sites will be transferred, but not all. The
selection will be by interest and currency of the site material, and
will not include our own site as that already has a full mirror server
at stationary-engine.co.uk.

Looking at the member's websites recently, only about 25% of the sites
are currently being maintained/updated, and currency of information
will be one of the criteria for selection.

Anyone not wanting their site on the new server please let me know
off-list. Anyone with sites not selected can apply to have them
included, but they will have to be updated by the owner(s) first.

This will not affect the existing Oldengine.org website hosting in any
way, and is intended to provide better access in times of failure or
access problems as we had last weekend.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jun 16 04:41:16 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:41:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Austral Register Update
Message-ID: <20080616114112.TJJD9173.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I have updated the abbreviated register on my website to reflect new
additions and changes to the register. I have also added links to pictures
of quite a few of the engines on the register. Hopefully it all works:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg0608.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 16 09:47:14 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:47:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Housekeeping at Oldengine.org
References: <6f6025160806152238m129683d0j7a3d7bf0fc689a42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c8cfd0$a1b91e30$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

Lemme know if you find my pocketknife 


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 12:02:29 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:02:29 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Housekeeping at Oldengine.org
In-Reply-To: <006c01c8cfd0$a1b91e30$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
References: <6f6025160806152238m129683d0j7a3d7bf0fc689a42@mail.gmail.com>
	<006c01c8cfd0$a1b91e30$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806161202x716e7d89wef81e165f2ea6eda@mail.gmail.com>

On 16/06/2008, Chuck Balyeat <kerogas at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Lemme know if you find my pocketknife
>

Nope:

Found a couple of dimes, a few used lollipop sticks, a 1948 copy of
the Chicago Tribune and an advert for a Maytag washing machine, but no
pocketknife as yet.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun 16 12:20:03 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:20:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Housekeeping at Oldengine.org
In-Reply-To: <006c01c8cfd0$a1b91e30$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
References: <6f6025160806152238m129683d0j7a3d7bf0fc689a42@mail.gmail.com>
	<006c01c8cfd0$a1b91e30$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <1213644003.4856bce3bdbdf@webmail.city-net.com>

Sorry Chuck.  Knives are banned in England.  Peter couldn't even move a photo of
one to a UK website.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Chuck Balyeat <kerogas at sbcglobal.net>:

> Lemme know if you find my pocketknife 




From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Mon Jun 16 21:26:57 2008
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:26:57 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Ot: Massey-Harris question
In-Reply-To: <20080616114112.TJJD9173.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <20080616114112.TJJD9173.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <48573D11.2050504@xplornet.com>

Hello Guys,
	My son has bought a Massey-Harris 30 tractor. The charging circuit 
isn't working. The generator puts out so we traced the generator number 
to buy a replacement cutout. This leaves us with no voltage regulation. 
My memory is faint but I think there was a selector switch on the dash 
to select a high/low charge. Can anyone confirm that or steer me in the 
right direction? The service manual doesn't have a wiring diagram in it.

Rupert
-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
	
http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/


From curt at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun 17 07:02:38 2008
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:02:38 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
Message-ID: <30830.168.215.206.73.1213711358.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Guys and gals,
Here is a topic for discussion. How do clubs promote their shows to get
maximum show displays and to get maximum spectator traffic?

As fuel prices go higher the hobby is certainly going to feel the pinch
with smaller display and spectator turnouts. No doubt these fuel prices
are here to stay, so a club has to stir the interest really well to get
people back out the show grounds. It's going to require a strong effort by
clubs to get these results.

It would be great to hear what clubs are doing to promote their shows.
-What efforts in advance of the show? publications, fliers, TV, radio, cable?
-What efforts the days of the show? TV, cable, local radio?
-What efforts draw local displays?
-What efforts draw far away displays?
-What efforts draw spectators vs. displays.
-Other unique ways to get folks to the show grounds.

It would be great to get lots of discussion on this. I'd like to summarize
the comments and read them at our next Cotton Ginning Days Club meeting in
July. We have about 25,000 spectators and 300 displayers come to our show
every year, so it is of paramount importance to keep the displays coming!
Post and post often!

Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC








From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Jun 17 10:34:53 2008
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:34:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
In-Reply-To: <30830.168.215.206.73.1213711358.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <30830.168.215.206.73.1213711358.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590749AA08@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

With high fuel prices I doubt that much can be done to get higher
spectator turnout.  I think the big shows will still attract spectators,
but the smaller shows will have a harder time getting people from out of
the local area.

However, I think some things can be done for the exhibitors.  I know
from personal experience that some exhibitors become spectators when
they realize it is a lot cheaper for them to attend the show as a
spectator!

So I think it is important for the club/show to provide incentives for
the exhibitors to show appreciation for helping out with the show.

1. Don't charge exhibitors for bringing a display.  Let the spectators
pay for the expenses of putting on the show.
2. Make sure exhibitors and their families have gate passes.
3. Give exhibitors tickets which are good for food or drinks at the
concession stands.
4. Give exhibitors a nice plaque or brass tag showing that they
exhibited at your show.
5. Make sure to have enough forklifts to assist people in
loading/unloading for the show.

I'm sure there's more and hopefully people will join this discussion.

George

Ps.. Curt, I won't be attending your show unless you provide airfare ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: curt at rustyiron.com [mailto:curt at rustyiron.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:03 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Cc: Best, George
Subject: A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.

Guys and gals,
Here is a topic for discussion. How do clubs promote their shows to get
maximum show displays and to get maximum spectator traffic?

As fuel prices go higher the hobby is certainly going to feel the pinch
with smaller display and spectator turnouts. No doubt these fuel prices
are here to stay, so a club has to stir the interest really well to get
people back out the show grounds. It's going to require a strong effort
by
clubs to get these results.

It would be great to hear what clubs are doing to promote their shows.
-What efforts in advance of the show? publications, fliers, TV, radio,
cable?
-What efforts the days of the show? TV, cable, local radio?
-What efforts draw local displays?
-What efforts draw far away displays?
-What efforts draw spectators vs. displays.
-Other unique ways to get folks to the show grounds.

It would be great to get lots of discussion on this. I'd like to
summarize
the comments and read them at our next Cotton Ginning Days Club meeting
in
July. We have about 25,000 spectators and 300 displayers come to our
show
every year, so it is of paramount importance to keep the displays
coming!
Post and post often!

Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC








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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 11:44:42 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:44:42 +0100
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590749AA08@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <30830.168.215.206.73.1213711358.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590749AA08@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806171144m75356b5ej85878bdb0b2db219@mail.gmail.com>

On 17/06/2008, Best, George <George_Best at adp.com> wrote:
> With high fuel prices I doubt that much can be done to get higher
> spectator turnout.  I think the big shows will still attract spectators,
> but the smaller shows will have a harder time getting people from out of
> the local area.
>
> However, I think some things can be done for the exhibitors.  I know
> from personal experience that some exhibitors become spectators when
> they realize it is a lot cheaper for them to attend the show as a
> spectator!
>
> So I think it is important for the club/show to provide incentives for
> the exhibitors to show appreciation for helping out with the show.
>
> 1. Don't charge exhibitors for bringing a display.  Let the spectators
> pay for the expenses of putting on the show.
> 2. Make sure exhibitors and their families have gate passes.
> 3. Give exhibitors tickets which are good for food or drinks at the
> concession stands.
> 4. Give exhibitors a nice plaque or brass tag showing that they
> exhibited at your show.
> 5. Make sure to have enough forklifts to assist people in
> loading/unloading for the show.
>
> I'm sure there's more and hopefully people will join this discussion.
>
> George


Basically, that's what they did for Nuenen this year, if the
exhibitors are looked after, the show will grow.

Fuel costs are a problem, but pleasure outings tend to be one of the
last things to get ditched when fuel prices rise.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Jun 17 11:58:17 2008
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:58:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160806171144m75356b5ej85878bdb0b2db219@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30830.168.215.206.73.1213711358.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590749AA08@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<6f6025160806171144m75356b5ej85878bdb0b2db219@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590749ACCE@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>

Peter,

I agree that the Nuenen show is perfect example of how to treat the
exhibitors well.

1. They has a nice grass field to display on.
2. They have ropes already setup so exhibitor do not have to rope of
their area.
3. They give you tickets which are good to get free food and beer!
4. They give you a nice cast bronze plaque for the show.
6. They deliver water for cooling tanks to your display area.
7. They have a large enough forklift to handle about any size engine
that would show up.

8. They have only one rule!  "Have fun"

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Listerdiesel
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:45 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.


Basically, that's what they did for Nuenen this year, if the
exhibitors are looked after, the show will grow.

Fuel costs are a problem, but pleasure outings tend to be one of the
last things to get ditched when fuel prices rise.

Peter


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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jun 17 11:50:57 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:50:57 +0200
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
In-Reply-To: <30830.168.215.206.73.1213711358.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080617161506.00be0a00@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 04:02 PM 17/06/2008, you wrote:
>Guys and gals,
>Here is a topic for discussion. How do clubs promote their shows to get
>maximum show displays and to get maximum spectator traffic?

<Big Snip>
Hi Curt,
         Excellent idea for a topic.
         Here is what we do, with a bit of background info first.
         Let me be quick to point out that our club show has become the 
biggest in South Africa but is still a small show in comparison to most of 
the shows overseas. (I'm willing to stand corrected here but I think that 
our total club membership (cars, engines and tractors) is around 200 
members and less than 1/2 of those are active members). We are also spread 
out over a wide geographical area.

         Our club is mainly a vintage car club and us old engine guys (less 
than 10 in the club) and, dare I say it, FATG's are pretty much lumped 
together and are only a small part of the club but our display usually gets 
a lot more interest than the cars and is (possibly) bigger with working 
displays of both steam and IC powered threshers, balers, corn shellers, 
grinders and the like. The general public seem to prefer the working 
engines as opposed to a field full of parked cars (or tractors :-)) and we 
always have great interest and good crowds around the engines. (I don't 
think that it is JUST because we always insist on setting up nearest the 
"BEER TENT" - Arnie would love it!) <grin>.

         Now for the show itself:
         a) Our club grounds are too small for a show of this size so we 
have an arrangement with the local University to use their grounds which 
are very beautiful with grass and plenty of trees on the banks of a river. 
They are also more centrally situated for a show.

         In return the University shares the profits with the club and does 
most of the administrative work as well as advertising and promotion using 
their own resources. They also handle sponsorships. We've only had this 
arrangement with them for the last 3 years but it's worked well so far and 
they have been very helpful. They've done things like supplying electricity 
points all round the grounds, ablution blocks, planted extra grass, built a 
caravan and camping area with cooking facilities, ablutions and electricity 
for visiting exhibitors who get to stay and camp on the grounds at no 
charge. We do not charge exhibitors entrance or camping fees (that does not 
cover the guy who brings 1 small aircooled engine or the like and a massive 
caravan and family for a free weekend -he's got to be a proper exhibitor 
but we do not have many problems like this).

         The University runs a "charity scheme" whereby they feed needy 
students a free meal once a day and they use their share of the proceeds 
for this. That also allows them certain tax benifits.

         b) Sponsorships:
         i)We (and the University) look for Sponsors and for the last few 
years our main sponsor has been Chevrolet South Africa who give us a very 
generous ZAR 120,000.00. This goes toward costs like advertising etc. In 
return Chevrolet gets some good publicity and also a few tax benifits. A 
few years ago we got into the Guinness Book of records for having the 
longest convoy of vintage Chev's to travel a set distance. They also get a 
free stand at the show as well as "naming rights" for the show - hence it 
is called "Chevrolet Wheels at the Vaal" ("Vaal" is the name of the river 
running through the showground and "Vaal Old Wheels" is the name of our 
club.). We used to have many motor companies exhibiting but Chev stopped 
this and now they are the only motor vehicle manufacturer at our show but 
that's O.K. because their sponsorship is greater than all of the others 
combined.
         ii) We find smaller sponsors for as many things as we can. For 
example, last year, SA Lister (Lister engines) supplied petrol (gas to you 
Yanks) and diesel for all the stationary engines running at the show. Each 
engine exhibitor also got a very nice "Lister" shirt to wear at the show 
and they (Lister) had a few banners up near the engines. This was great for 
us as we could offer visitors from other clubs "free petrol and a shirt" as 
an incentive to bring their engines. In return they got publicity as well - 
last year we got into the Guinness Book of Records again  - for having the 
most vintage stationary engines running at the same time for 3 minutes. (I 
think it will only be published in the next edition).
         (((( Big note here:- We only had about 320 engines running which 
is a lot for South Africa
(about double the number we are usually able to attract to a show) - I know 
the number is very low compared to overseas shows but hey, we are much 
smaller than you guys and we started it - now it's up to you guys to 
improve on it - Guinness charges quite a lot of money to stage something 
like this and this money also came from the Lister sponsorship.)))

         iii) Sponsorships also helped to reimburse us club members for 
transport costs to get our engines to the show. Some of us made up to 11 or 
12 trips just to get engines there! With fuel costs what they are today, 
this is a very big consideration for club members.

         c) Advertising & Promotion:
         Fortunately for us (there is some disagreement among club members 
as to wether it is actually an advantage - see note later) the University's 
advertising & public relations division has taken this over (but with 
constant communication with the club). The University has a very capable 
"Public Relations" division and the head of this division has also become a 
committee member of our club. They organize (amongst other things):
         i) Local radio "talk show" interviews, advertising and other 
coverage in the months leading up to the show. (Mostly free of charge).
         ii) Local & National press coverage and editorial articles also in 
the months leading up to the show. This includes normal newspapers & 
magazines as well as speciality publications. This preferably takes the 
form of "editorial articles" (no charge) but with some "Paid For" 
advertising as well.
         iii) Flyers/leaflets/posters distribution for some months before 
the show. This includes leaflets being sent to other clubs, leaflets being 
handed out at other shows, leaflets being handed out to motorists at 
traffic lights and parking lots. Posters being displayed at shopping centre 
notice boards (malls to the Yanks) and the like. The printing of these 
leaflets/flyers is usually done by the University's "in house" print shop 
(cheap) or in other cases a sponsor is sought.

         d) Fund raising (before the event):

         i) The club strives to find a donor for something to "raffle". For 
the last 3 years it has been a Volkswagen "Beetle". Once a vehicle has been 
"acquired" (sometimes the club buys one) raffle tickets start getting sold. 
This year it is a "Beetle" again -  a really nice original one in good 
condition - the winner can drive it away!. This beetle has been displayed 
at all the shows in the last few months and raffle tickets have been sold 
at ZAR 10.00 each. As of last weekend ticket sales have already surpassed 
the purchase cost of the beetle and the sale of tickets has not even 
"hotted up" yet. (Our show is only in the first week of September). This 
month 2 books of tickets (total 20 tickets) will be mailed to each club 
member with his (or her) newsletter. There is also a prize for the seller 
of the most tickets so selling of tickets will "hot up" now. Most members 
just take the easy way out and buy all the tickets themselves :-). The 
"draw" for this raffle takes place on the last day of our show.

         ii) Aforementioned "sponsorships". We all try to get sponsorships, 
no matter how small, for anything worth sponsoring. eg. If the guys who 
make our "vintage" piston rings want, they can supply a banner or small 
sign to be displayed at the show for a minimal cost. Every little bit helps 
and goes to the club coffers.

         e) Other stuff:
         i) We also have a "flea market" and sell space to anyone wanting 
to bring "whatever" to the show. This also includes food stalls and liquor 
outlets (gotta be sure that there is enough! - Why does Arnie's name keep 
springing to mind? - gotta meet him one day).
         ii) Free Space to emergency personnel and the like - just so that 
they will be there to stitch "Little Johnnie's" hand back after he stuck it 
in that flywheel that he was told not to touch! We do not fence our engines 
in and there are no barriers between public and engines. WE DO ALWAYS 
attend our engines when running and common sense prevails. We encourage 
spectators to come close within reasonable limits. WE WATCH KIDS!!!!
         iii) Our show runs for 3 days, Friday thru Sunday. The Friday is 
actually pretty quiet with many exhibitors actually only arriving and 
"setting up". On the Friday we offer free entrance to "organised school 
groups" or others like "old age homes" etc. (previously arranged). A school 
can bring in a busload of pupils on an educational outing and we will go 
out of our way to demonstrate stuff to them. The advantage to this is that 
many of them go home that night and "beg Daddy to go to the show tomorrow".
         iv) We also organize things like local actors & singers to make 
appearances and give shows. Some people only come only for this but so long 
as they pay the entrance fee but that's O.K. (It's all income)
         v) Entrance fee for the show is kept low. Usually about the price 
of a beer for adults and the price of a "Coke" for kids. That way we get 
the whole family there without breaking the bank.
         vi) We offer "free parking" in the showgrounds with security 
guards on patrol - vehicle theft is BIG in South Africa.

         Pretty much what we try to do is offer a family the chance of a 
great outing with as much entertainment/education as possible at an 
affordable price. It works - we (and the University) usually make a decent 
profit.

         A few "afterthoughts":
         i) We also sell space on the river to companies making boats and 
usually have a good turnout there.
         ii) We "licence" an operator to offer "river boat" cruises.
         iii) We have a small tractor pulling passenger wagons around the 
show (not free - you buy a ticket - again for the price of a beer - the 
kids love it and it brings in funds).


         Now to get back to the part where I mentioned that there is some 
disagreement amongst club members regarding the University handling so much 
of the organising (and getting a good share of the profit).
         These members balk at the thought of "someone else making a 
profit" from our endeavors, but they are forgetting certain facts.
         i) Without the use of the University Campus we would not have a 
showground.
         ii) Without the use of the University's administrative structures 
we would not get the kind of publicity that we have or the organizational 
capabilities.
         iii) "Our share" of the profits would be much less than we got 
before now if it were not for the University's input and we "went it alone".
         iv) This is our hobby, we enjoy doing the show and it is a great 
opportunity to sit and drink beer with our mates and show off our machines. 
We are not in this hobby to spend time "organizing" shows - we're also 
personally not in it for profit but it's nice to get some funds into the 
club coffers.
                 All I want to do is take my engines to the show and enjoy 
time with "like minded" friends and meet new ones. It's also good to be 
able to show the younger generation how things worked "in the old days" and 
possibly infect a younger person with the same "sickness" that we all 
suffer from.
         I personally do not have the time to attend endless meetings and 
devote many weeks to organising a show. It's my HOBBY dammit, I battle to 
find the time to restore engines, let alone get involved with organizing a 
show.

         Strangely enough, in previous times (pre University involvement) 
when the club organised anything they really battled to find "volunteers" 
to do any work. Now these same "non volunteers" are the ones complaining 
that "someone else" is making a profit.

         O.K. Curt, That's enough for now - this reply took this 2 finger 
typist over 4 hours - that's my contribution to the topic.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun 17 13:18:09 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:18:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
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George,

Just one more thing to add...

The "organizers" at Nuenen come around to welcome you and ask if you have
everything that you need.  They also thank you for coming to exhibit and
ask you to plan to come back the next year.

There are a couple of shows that I always attend where they do that.  It's
such a simple gesture, but it makes a large impact.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008, Best, George wrote:

> I agree that the Nuenen show is perfect example of how to treat the
> exhibitors well.
>
> 1. They has a nice grass field to display on.
> 2. They have ropes already setup so exhibitor do not have to rope of
> their area.
> 3. They give you tickets which are good to get free food and beer!
> 4. They give you a nice cast bronze plaque for the show.
> 6. They deliver water for cooling tanks to your display area.
> 7. They have a large enough forklift to handle about any size engine
> that would show up.
>
> 8. They have only one rule!  "Have fun"



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 13:45:11 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:45:11 +0100
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
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On 17/06/2008, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> George,
>
> Just one more thing to add...
>
> The "organizers" at Nuenen come around to welcome you and ask if you have
> everything that you need.  They also thank you for coming to exhibit and
> ask you to plan to come back the next year.
>
> There are a couple of shows that I always attend where they do that.  It's
> such a simple gesture, but it makes a large impact.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>

Nuenen Plaque picture here:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/NuenenPlaque.jpg

It's about 4" diameter by 3/4" thick and weighs a pound or so, and it
is solid brass.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Jun 17 16:07:16 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:07:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20080617161506.00be0a00@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEJBHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

It looks like your club has the best arrangement going.  Thanks for relating it to us.

Personally, I like to go to shows where there is no admission charge for exhibitors and I am made to feel welcome.  At the few shows I've exhibited at that charged exhibitors, the charge wasn't an admission charge but was a membership fee to the sponsoring club.  The reason for this was said to be to make sure all exhibitors were insured under the club's policy.  Makes sense to me and I usually join the sponsoring club for at least one year just to let them know I appreciate their work in putting on the show.

I've gone to shows where I just didn't feel very welcome and didn't have fun.  I don't complain, I just do my thing and don't return.  After all, the show's their game, not mine.  If asked my opinion, I will politely tell them.  Sometimes it does good.

Anyhoo - I don't go to that many shows so I have to be selective and I DO appreciate the effort that goes into putting one on.

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 01:51 PM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for 
> discussion.......How to promote a show.
> 
> 
> At 04:02 PM 17/06/2008, you wrote:
> >Guys and gals,
> >Here is a topic for discussion. How do clubs 
> promote their shows to get
> >maximum show displays and to get maximum 
> spectator traffic?
> 
> <Big Snip>
> Hi Curt,
>          Excellent idea for a topic.
>          Here is what we do, with a bit of 
> background info first.
>          Let me be quick to point out that our 
> club show has become the 
> biggest in South Africa but is still a small show 
> in comparison to most of 
> the shows overseas. (I'm willing to stand 
> corrected here but I think that 
> our total club membership (cars, engines and 
> tractors) is around 200 
> members and less than 1/2 of those are active 
> members). We are also spread 
> out over a wide geographical area.

.................................snip, snip..............................

>          O.K. Curt, That's enough for now - this 
> reply took this 2 finger 
> typist over 4 hours - that's my contribution to the topic.
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jun 17 16:28:23 2008
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:28:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
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>From my point of observation.

As an exhibitor, I now weigh up the enjoyment factor against the cost 
overall  to go and show. The effort required against the quality of the 
event also plays a part.
I used to attend a lot more events than I do these days. I, like a lot of 
exhibitors, are getting older. There are not as  many younger new people 
coming into the hobby to replace those leaving.
As a spectator,
Many of our 'tourist attractions' Have folded due to people having gone once 
or twice and then thought, "Why do it yet again?"
Now, with the cost of going to events rising drastically, along with the 
general cost of living going crazy, attendances WILL drop.

Clubs started out with 'get togethers' of like minded people that in some 
cases evolved into large show events. Turning a profit was not a factor.
This situation is returning.  I, for one see no way so change this.
It will just have to be accepted and lived with.

A gloomy viewpoint? Yes, but, I feel, an accurate one.

I have paid a lot of money on air fares for this year's travel to the USA. 
The 'enjoyment factor' is such that I think it 'good value' to see all the 
good folk I know over there. To me, the actual engines on show are but a 
small part compared to the love I have for these lifetime friends this hobby 
has given me.
Baraboo, Portland and the Gibsonburg shows, for me, are really meeting 
places to refresh these friendships.

Perhaps the above will give some thoughts to those organisers of events when 
they try and analyse the reasons to hold engine shows.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jun 17 12:15:50 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:15:50 +0200
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.Post
 script
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080617210812.00be44c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All, By way of explanation.
	Do Not convert the currency mentioned below to your currency. Rather 
convert it to the cost of a good 340ml dumpy bottle of beer.
	A good beer here (Castle Lager - the best in the world -Aww shuddup you 
Aussies :-)) costs us about ZAR 4.00. - That means that Chevrolet's 
sponsorship is worth roughly 30,000 good beers.
Cheers
Jerry

	
	b) Sponsorships:
	i)We (and the University) look for Sponsors and for the last few years our 
main sponsor has been Chevrolet South Africa who give us a very generous 
ZAR 120,000.00. 



From gibsongus at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 17 22:08:41 2008
From: gibsongus at earthlink.net (Gus)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:08:41 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
Message-ID: <5205467.1213765721722.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

George did you find any Info. on a Sendling Diesel engine???

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>Sent: Jun 17, 2008 11:58 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
>
>Peter,
>
>I agree that the Nuenen show is perfect example of how to treat the
>exhibitors well.
>
>1. They has a nice grass field to display on.
>2. They have ropes already setup so exhibitor do not have to rope of
>their area.
>3. They give you tickets which are good to get free food and beer!
>4. They give you a nice cast bronze plaque for the show.
>6. They deliver water for cooling tanks to your display area.
>7. They have a large enough forklift to handle about any size engine
>that would show up.
>
>8. They have only one rule!  "Have fun"
>
>George
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>Listerdiesel
>Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:45 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
>
>
>Basically, that's what they did for Nuenen this year, if the
>exhibitors are looked after, the show will grow.
>
>Fuel costs are a problem, but pleasure outings tend to be one of the
>last things to get ditched when fuel prices rise.
>
>Peter
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jun 18 04:47:54 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:47:54 +0100
Subject: [SEL] A BIG Thank you to...
Message-ID: <6f6025160806180447k3feb8aa8x1639d1ffb19fd0d7@mail.gmail.com>

Dave Rotigel!

Dave very kindly sourced, paid for and posted the Caterpillar 1Y73
service manual to us, and it turned up in the post today.

Now we can get on with starting to sort the beastie out and get it running!

Well done, Dave and thanks again.

Peter
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From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Jun 18 07:29:48 2008
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:29:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
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Nothing yet.  I did email a German I know to ask if he could find some
info, but haven't heard back from him.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Gus
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:09 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.

George did you find any Info. on a Sendling Diesel engine???

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>Sent: Jun 17, 2008 11:58 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
>
>Peter,
>
>I agree that the Nuenen show is perfect example of how to treat the
>exhibitors well.
>
>1. They has a nice grass field to display on.
>2. They have ropes already setup so exhibitor do not have to rope of
>their area.
>3. They give you tickets which are good to get free food and beer!
>4. They give you a nice cast bronze plaque for the show.
>6. They deliver water for cooling tanks to your display area.
>7. They have a large enough forklift to handle about any size engine
>that would show up.
>
>8. They have only one rule!  "Have fun"
>
>George
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>Listerdiesel
>Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:45 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
>
>
>Basically, that's what they did for Nuenen this year, if the
>exhibitors are looked after, the show will grow.
>
>Fuel costs are a problem, but pleasure outings tend to be one of the
>last things to get ditched when fuel prices rise.
>
>Peter
>
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From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Jun 18 07:46:20 2008
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:46:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Best Show on Tracks
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Just wondering if anyone on this list is going to the show in Woodland
California this Friday through Sunday?

I'm leaving at oh dark hundred in the morning to drive the 600 miles to
the show.

http://www.bestshowontracks.org/

Although the show is very heavy towards the Best/Holt/Caterpillar end of
the hobby, they are also expecting a lot of California made engines as
well as all other engines being welcome as well.

Should be a great show!




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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jun 18 08:59:48 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:59:48 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Best Show on Tracks
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On 18/06/2008, Best, George <George_Best at adp.com> wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone on this list is going to the show in Woodland
> California this Friday through Sunday?
>
> I'm leaving at oh dark hundred in the morning to drive the 600 miles to
> the show.
>
> http://www.bestshowontracks.org/
>
> Although the show is very heavy towards the Best/Holt/Caterpillar end of
> the hobby, they are also expecting a lot of California made engines as
> well as all other engines being welcome as well.
>
> Should be a great show!

I saw that advertised in the ACMOC journal, the Heidrick Museum is
involved with their collection of Cat/Holt/Best equipment.

Can't be there, but looks very good.

Peter
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jun 18 09:00:42 2008
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:00:42 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Best Show on Tracks
Message-ID: <20080618.090043.292.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi George.
I am leaving now, should be there by early evening.  See you there.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:46:20 -0500 "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
writes:
> Just wondering if anyone on this list is going to the show in 
> Woodland
> California this Friday through Sunday?
> 
> I'm leaving at oh dark hundred in the morning to drive the 600 miles 
> to
> the show.
> 
> http://www.bestshowontracks.org/
> 
> Although the show is very heavy towards the Best/Holt/Caterpillar 
> end of
> the hobby, they are also expecting a lot of California made engines 
> as
> well as all other engines being welcome as well.
> 
> Should be a great show!
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From shop at cccomm.net  Wed Jun 18 09:08:09 2008
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:08:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Best Show on Tracks
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Hi George,
I'm going. Have to deliver some KW mags to guys there.
Dave
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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:46 AM
Subject: [SEL] Best Show on Tracks


Just wondering if anyone on this list is going to the show in Woodland
California this Friday through Sunday?

I'm leaving at oh dark hundred in the morning to drive the 600 miles to
the show.

http://www.bestshowontracks.org/

Although the show is very heavy towards the Best/Holt/Caterpillar end of
the hobby, they are also expecting a lot of California made engines as
well as all other engines being welcome as well.

Should be a great show!




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From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Jun 18 09:21:41 2008
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:21:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Best Show on Tracks
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Dave,

Be sure to come by and say "Hi".
We'll have our W.A.I.T. booth so shouldn't be hard to find.

George

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ernst
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 9:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] Best Show on Tracks

Hi George,
I'm going. Have to deliver some KW mags to guys there.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:46 AM
Subject: [SEL] Best Show on Tracks


Just wondering if anyone on this list is going to the show in Woodland
California this Friday through Sunday?

I'm leaving at oh dark hundred in the morning to drive the 600 miles to
the show.

http://www.bestshowontracks.org/

Although the show is very heavy towards the Best/Holt/Caterpillar end of
the hobby, they are also expecting a lot of California made engines as
well as all other engines being welcome as well.

Should be a great show!




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From tsmith at hal-pc.org  Wed Jun 18 10:38:55 2008
From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:38:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Best Show on Tracks
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059074C82E0@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <30830.168.215.206.73.1213711358.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590749AA08@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059074C82E0@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <web-498819594@mail.hal-pc.org>

My wife and I are leaving from Houston, Texas pretty early as well. We 
are driving but only part way (to the airport).

I expect to see a lot of people not only from the states but also a 
lot of folks from Europe and south of the equator.

Hope to see you there,

Tom




I'm looking forward to seeing a lot of both Cats and engines. While 
I'm there I might also get a sip or two of wine.

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:46:20 -0500
  "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com> wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone on this list is going to the show in 
>Woodland
> California this Friday through Sunday?
> 
> I'm leaving at oh dark hundred in the morning to drive the 600 miles 
>to
> the show.
> 
> http://www.bestshowontracks.org/
> 
> Although the show is very heavy towards the Best/Holt/Caterpillar 
>end of
> the hobby, they are also expecting a lot of California made engines 
>as
> well as all other engines being welcome as well.
> 
> Should be a great show!
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From andyglines at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 18 13:18:10 2008
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:18:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Spam=3E_Big_Dig/Parts_Search?=
Message-ID: <BAY141-W4B8C921E25D19B20262B4C7AB0@phx.gbl>


Hey Judge, is there any chance that someone could turn a couple of goats loose in the dig area (no I don't mean Arnie and Dave) to remove vegitation?  The goats could remove the heavy stuff better than spraying and you could host a barbeque to feed the "volunteers".
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Jun 18 15:23:28 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:23:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Best Show on Tracks
In-Reply-To: <20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E6401059074C82E0@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <20080618222330.31932405454@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi George, Cya there on Sat. Jimmy O'Hagan

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:46 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Best Show on Tracks

Just wondering if anyone on this list is going to the show in Woodland
California this Friday through Sunday?

I'm leaving at oh dark hundred in the morning to drive the 600 miles to
the show.

http://www.bestshowontracks.org/

Although the show is very heavy towards the Best/Holt/Caterpillar end of
the hobby, they are also expecting a lot of California made engines as
well as all other engines being welcome as well.

Should be a great show!




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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Jun 18 15:46:34 2008
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:46:34 +1000
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
In-Reply-To: <30830.168.215.206.73.1213711358.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com
 >
References: <30830.168.215.206.73.1213711358.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080619081239.016d21e0@ncable.com.au>

Hi Curt
Our club run in conjunction with the steam guys "The Junction Rally" 
(the place we took you to by the river) which is only held every 3 
years. Every show has been succesfull over the past 15 years or there 
abouts. Maybe this is because we are not asking enthuriest to rock up 
every year.?? Our last show which was last year had numbers down 
about 10% to 15% but the general consensis was that this was because 
of the timming beiong so cl;ose to the National held in Queensland.

I think it's important to realy make everyone feel welcome and 
appreciated for making the effort to come. Location location 
location! Get a nice area to hold your rally. We dont charge 
exhibitors fees, we do give a nice cast rally badge and entrants bag. 
We used to have free camping on site but due to the rally growing 
over the past years and limited space we have had to make the camping 
area at Wentworth show ground. (4 minute drive) (still free) We 
provide 24/7 security for all displays over the weekend, The local 
fire brigade come in and fill engines with water etc. They do this 
nice and early in the morning so entrants are not waiting to be 
looked after. Good support from local business with the donating of a 
huge crane etc for loading and unloading and the local council 
providing a ramp for the fatg. Flee markets, food stalls run by other 
groups like the lyons club and rotary, scouts etc.

What I've heard recently about some rally's where folks are 
disapointed are: charging exhibitors! charging exhibitors, charging 
exhibitors! If you want to go down this track you will kill your 
rally over night!  If you need a few buck to chip into covering costs 
then run a raffle. Most guys would by $5 of raffle tickets but tell 
you to jam your entrants fee  you know where!

Another interesting thing was the effort given by the host clubs 
members in displaying their own engines. We often learn over the 
years what some guys have in their collections yet we never se them 
on display. Many who travel to rallies make a real effort to bring 
their latest prized restoration which is in itself a draw card to 
your rallies, yet some locals drag out the closest engine to the door 
of the shed with no real effort put in to making an intesresting 
display. I live 30km from where our rally is held. I make 3 trips 
each way to set up and return home as I want to take 3 engines. Other 
local members do similar things. One of our guys who lives a little 
further away brought 3 big engines and 3 tracotrs. Our club owns a 
few portable engines which we also bring down to the rally site and 
display. At a recent Rally that I attanded we were invited to a host 
club shed that housed club engines plus some members engines. It was 
great to be invited but when seeing the nice stuff that was there one 
felt a little let down that some of this gear was not on display at 
the rally feild. This to me is so important because the more engines 
you can have on display the better the atmospher your create for the 
visisting exhibitors.

Just my opinion on some of the important things to consider.
Russell




At 12:02 AM 18/06/2008, you wrote:
>Guys and gals,
>Here is a topic for discussion. How do clubs promote their shows to get
>maximum show displays and to get maximum spectator traffic?
>
>As fuel prices go higher the hobby is certainly going to feel the pinch
>with smaller display and spectator turnouts. No doubt these fuel prices
>are here to stay, so a club has to stir the interest really well to get
>people back out the show grounds. It's going to require a strong effort by
>clubs to get these results.
>
>It would be great to hear what clubs are doing to promote their shows.
>-What efforts in advance of the show? publications, fliers, TV, radio, cable?
>-What efforts the days of the show? TV, cable, local radio?
>-What efforts draw local displays?
>-What efforts draw far away displays?
>-What efforts draw spectators vs. displays.
>-Other unique ways to get folks to the show grounds.
>
>It would be great to get lots of discussion on this. I'd like to summarize
>the comments and read them at our next Cotton Ginning Days Club meeting in
>July. We have about 25,000 spectators and 300 displayers come to our show
>every year, so it is of paramount importance to keep the displays coming!
>Post and post often!
>
>Thanks,
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 18 16:05:45 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:05:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Big Dig/Parts Search
References: <BAY141-W4B8C921E25D19B20262B4C7AB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000c01c8d197$d7518550$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

The goats could remove the heavy stuff better than spraying and
 you could host a barbeque to feed the "volunteers".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Not to mention a little ceremonial blood offering before the dig commences 
.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/sacrifice.htm













c



From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Wed Jun 18 19:19:00 2008
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:19:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
References: <30830.168.215.206.73.1213711358.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590749AA08@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160806171144m75356b5ej85878bdb0b2db219@mail.gmail.com>
	<011c01c8d0d1$d97317c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <01eb01c8d1b2$d6efc200$9501a8c0@LapTop>

Well put, Reg.

Arthur Southwell

Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.


> >From my point of observation.
(snip)
> I have paid a lot of money on air fares for this year's travel to the USA.
> The 'enjoyment factor' is such that I think it 'good value' to see all the
> good folk I know over there. To me, the actual engines on show are but a
> small part compared to the love I have for these lifetime friends this 
> hobby
> has given me.
> Baraboo, Portland and the Gibsonburg shows, for me, are really meeting
> places to refresh these friendships.
>
> Perhaps the above will give some thoughts to those organisers of events 
> when
> they try and analyse the reasons to hold engine shows.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Tue Jun 17 15:03:46 2008
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:03:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Test - Do not respond please.
Message-ID: <485834C2.5020104@rustic-engines.com>

If you've opened this you will learn nothing.

I am testing my new email because it hasn't worked up until now.

-- 
Cheers,

Al Harris
Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com


From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Jun 19 07:25:59 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:25:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Test - Do not respond please.
In-Reply-To: <485834C2.5020104@rustic-engines.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEKDHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Okay, Al.  I won't respond 'cause I didn't see your message.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Al Harris
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 05:04 PM
> To: SEL
> Subject: [SEL] Test - Do not respond please.
> 
> 
> If you've opened this you will learn nothing.
> 
> I am testing my new email because it hasn't 
> worked up until now.
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
> 
> Al Harris




From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun 19 13:49:16 2008
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:49:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Test - Do not respond please.
In-Reply-To: <485834C2.5020104@rustic-engines.com>
References: <485834C2.5020104@rustic-engines.com>
Message-ID: <1309.165.206.180.192.1213908556.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Wrong - I DID learn something. I learned that you are testing your email
as you may have problems with it.
Also, this just came in, actually AFTER the other reply you got......
So it was floating in cyberspace for a while..

Bill

> If you've opened this you will learn nothing.
>
> I am testing my new email because it hasn't worked up until now.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Al Harris
> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>
> al.harris at rustic-engines.com
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Jun 19 17:27:45 2008
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:27:45 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: wiko maintenance manual
Message-ID: <d04.35abef56.358c5381@aol.com>

Some one want a copy of a WICO manual.  When I tried sending  this 
information, it was returned as being a bad email address.  If some  body recognizes 
this email address, please forward the data.
 
Francis Maciel
 
 
  
____________________________________
 

     
 

The manuals can be downloaded from this site - 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/WicoMagneto/MagData5.htm_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/WicoMagneto/MagData5.htm) 
 
In a message dated 6/18/2008 7:47:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
mogolko at mcsnet.ca writes:

Please e-mail me a copy of the wiko  ek manual. Thanks




Hope this helps.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, CA  93454





 
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 19 18:03:26 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:03:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080619081239.016d21e0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <974111.51544.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The last few years I have tried to do my part by putting on an active display.
I have a Mountville Hero two hole corn sheller much like the A.B. Farquare sheller that Mike and Susan Tucker had at Lincoln Tucker's Show & Tell on May 2, 2003.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/ABFarquharCornSheller.jpg

I belt my Mountville Hero sheller up to my 1 3/4HP Hercules S.
I provide 700 pounds of ear corn for folks to feed the sheller.

I stand there holding out an ear of corn to the gals. 
The guys always come with the gals.
If I was asking the guys then?the gals wouldn't come over.
Once I get a gal to look down the hole as she drops in an ear of corn then her reaction calls in more folks.
I give each group the speal about how old the sheller is and what a sweet job it does.
A couple hundred folks a day really thank me for putting on such a nice display.

YES, I just had been watching most of those folks walk right past much nicer engines that were just sitting there doing nothing.
After doing that display three years ago lots of folks came back in 2006 looking for my display. ?Then last year I had a couple folks tell me they came to the show because of my fun display.
Last year there was actually another sheller of this type there.
It was that guy's first time at the Buckley show.
He had been displaying his sheller for 15 years and he had never let the public feed it.
He was completely shocked to see folks walk past his sheller to come feed mine.
I really think he learned something. 

I will soon know how well my new laundry display goes over this year.
There is none of last year's ear corn to be had around here because the harvest was so bad last year. ?I will do my best to engage the public with my new display.
I am trying to get other folks to display this way too.
I have a good friend with one of those self starting old Delco light plants.
He let's folks flip a switch or plug in a cord then the light plant statrts up.
Because he grew up with one of these he really is great at telling lots of stories about them. ?He gets a lot of Thank You comments too.

Interesting displays bring the public back the next year.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan ?U.S. of A.



From pwaugh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jun 19 18:21:29 2008
From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:21:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
References: <974111.51544.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005a01c8d273$f7ce3ee0$6401a8c0@PaulNew>

I love it, and it tells the real story .. I just have not gotten around to 
making anything, but that has to change, Thanks Alan

Paul Waugh
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.


The last few years I have tried to do my part by putting on an active 
display.
I have a Mountville Hero two hole corn sheller much like the A.B. Farquare 
sheller that Mike and Susan Tucker had at Lincoln Tucker's Show & Tell on 
May 2, 2003.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/ABFarquharCornSheller.jpg

I belt my Mountville Hero sheller up to my 1 3/4HP Hercules S.
I provide 700 pounds of ear corn for folks to feed the sheller.

I stand there holding out an ear of corn to the gals.
The guys always come with the gals.
If I was asking the guys then the gals wouldn't come over.
Once I get a gal to look down the hole as she drops in an ear of corn then 
her reaction calls in more folks.
I give each group the speal about how old the sheller is and what a sweet 
job it does.
A couple hundred folks a day really thank me for putting on such a nice 
display.

YES, I just had been watching most of those folks walk right past much nicer 
engines that were just sitting there doing nothing.
After doing that display three years ago lots of folks came back in 2006 
looking for my display. Then last year I had a couple folks tell me they 
came to the show because of my fun display.
Last year there was actually another sheller of this type there.
It was that guy's first time at the Buckley show.
He had been displaying his sheller for 15 years and he had never let the 
public feed it.
He was completely shocked to see folks walk past his sheller to come feed 
mine.
I really think he learned something.

I will soon know how well my new laundry display goes over this year.
There is none of last year's ear corn to be had around here because the 
harvest was so bad last year. I will do my best to engage the public with my 
new display.
I am trying to get other folks to display this way too.
I have a good friend with one of those self starting old Delco light plants.
He let's folks flip a switch or plug in a cord then the light plant statrts 
up.
Because he grew up with one of these he really is great at telling lots of 
stories about them. He gets a lot of Thank You comments too.

Interesting displays bring the public back the next year.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan U.S. of A.

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From gibsongus at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 19 22:28:26 2008
From: gibsongus at earthlink.net (Gus)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:28:26 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
Message-ID: <11034873.1213939707184.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Thanks George, did you see any Bears in Alaska???

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>Sent: Jun 18, 2008 7:29 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
>
>Nothing yet.  I did email a German I know to ask if he could find some
>info, but haven't heard back from him.
>
>George
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Gus
>Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:09 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
>
>George did you find any Info. on a Sendling Diesel engine???
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>>Sent: Jun 17, 2008 11:58 AM
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
>>
>>Peter,
>>
>>I agree that the Nuenen show is perfect example of how to treat the
>>exhibitors well.
>>
>>1. They has a nice grass field to display on.
>>2. They have ropes already setup so exhibitor do not have to rope of
>>their area.
>>3. They give you tickets which are good to get free food and beer!
>>4. They give you a nice cast bronze plaque for the show.
>>6. They deliver water for cooling tanks to your display area.
>>7. They have a large enough forklift to handle about any size engine
>>that would show up.
>>
>>8. They have only one rule!  "Have fun"
>>
>>George
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>>Listerdiesel
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:45 AM
>>To: The SEL email discussion list
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
>>
>>
>>Basically, that's what they did for Nuenen this year, if the
>>exhibitors are looked after, the show will grow.
>>
>>Fuel costs are a problem, but pleasure outings tend to be one of the
>>last things to get ditched when fuel prices rise.
>>
>>Peter
>>
>>
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Fri Jun 20 00:00:18 2008
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:00:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <c1a.3e866dd1.358656f5@aol.com>
References: <c1a.3e866dd1.358656f5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <485B5582.6010302@rustic-engines.com>

Stan, we could give it our best shot, but it's a small target
to aim at mate.

Cheers,
Al
Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz


gastzt at aol.com wrote:
> Hmmmm!  just wonder if you did on a 30 degree angle if maybe U came out in 
> Texas?  huh?   ha!
>   Stan
> old Stovers
> 
> 
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jun 20 07:32:03 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:32:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
In-Reply-To: <974111.51544.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEELCHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Alan:

I've got a suggestion for your washing machine display.  Invite the girls to let you wash their skivvies.  I'll bet that'll get a bunch of guys to watch.

I'll see 'ya when you're outta the clink (or the hospital).    :-)

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Alan
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 08:03 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for 
> discussion.......How to promote a show.
> 
.......................snippety snip........................

I will soon know how well my new laundry display goes over this year.
There is none of last year's ear corn to be had around here because the harvest was so bad last year. ?I will do my best to engage the public with my new display.
I am trying to get other folks to display this way too.
I have a good friend with one of those self starting old Delco light plants.
He let's folks flip a switch or plug in a cord then the light plant statrts up.
Because he grew up with one of these he really is great at telling lots of stories about them. ?He gets a lot of Thank You comments too.

Interesting displays bring the public back the next year.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan ?U.S. of A.




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 20 15:46:16 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:46:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show. Rick
	Monk
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEELCHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <96699.37365.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Rick Monk, Are you out there lurking?????
Don't you want to come to Buckley and join my laundry display?

Has anyone else here actually seen Rick's laundry gag?
I have only heard about it.
That might be a great way to engage the publid with my laundry display.
I am just not sure if I can pull it off.

Alan

--- On Fri, 6/20/08, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
From: Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 10:32 AM

Alan:  I've got a suggestion for your washing machine display.  Invite the girls to let you wash their skivvies.  I'll bet that'll get a bunch of guys to watch.  I'll see 'ya when you're outta the clink (or the hospital).    :-)  Take care - Elden   > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >  Behalf Of Alan > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 08:03 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for  > discussion.......How to promote a show. >  .......................snippety snip........................  I will soon know how well my new laundry display goes over this year. There is none of last year's ear corn to be had around here because the harvest was so bad last year. ?I will do my best to engage the public with my new display. I am trying to get other folks to display this way too. I have a good friend with one of those self starting old Delco
 light plants. He let's folks flip a switch or plug in a cord then the light plant statrts up. Because he grew up with one of these he really is great at telling lots of stories about them. ?He gets a lot of Thank You comments too.  Interesting displays bring the public back the next year.  Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan ?U.S. of A.   _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

From MBellar at aol.com  Fri Jun 20 16:21:41 2008
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:21:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] White elephant?? Old Iron?? or Scrap iron ???
Message-ID: <d58.2500356f.358d9585@aol.com>

I have a Reid reversing clutch and pedestal that came with my left hand 15  
HP Reid. I have stubbed my toe  on it and had to move it about the  barn one 
too many times. If anybody wants it for scrap metal prices,  I would be happy to 
load it on their truck. Contact me off List.
 
Tom Bellar East of Cincinnati, OH



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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Fri Jun 20 17:00:36 2008
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:00:36 +1000
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show. Rick
 Monk
In-Reply-To: <96699.37365.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <96699.37365.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <485C44A4.4010607@rustic-engines.com>

It's easy Alan. You just get them to raise their arms, slip your (warm) 
hands slowly up their torso so as to not alarm them, gathering the 
material as you go ........

-- 
Cheers,

Al Harris
Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com


Alan wrote:
> Rick Monk, Are you out there lurking?????
> Don't you want to come to Buckley and join my laundry display?
>
> Has anyone else here actually seen Rick's laundry gag?
> I have only heard about it.
> That might be a great way to engage the publid with my laundry display.
> I am just not sure if I can pull it off.
>
> Alan
>
>   



From fgreatwestern at comcast.net  Sat Jun 21 20:04:41 2008
From: fgreatwestern at comcast.net (fgreatwestern at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:04:41 +0000
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
Message-ID: <062220080304.25664.485DC149000E084F000064402200735446029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net>

Is the SEL working OK?  Haven't received any messages all day.  Thanks.
Fred in MI

From reb1952 at bellsouth.net  Sat Jun 21 20:14:01 2008
From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 22:14:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
References: <062220080304.25664.485DC149000E084F000064402200735446029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <004501c8d416$04f14970$8fa9db0c@TOSHIBA>

Maybe everybody is at Coolsprings.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fgreatwestern at comcast.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:04 PM
Subject: [SEL] SEL working


> Is the SEL working OK?  Haven't received any messages all day.  Thanks.
> Fred in MI
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG.
> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1512 - Release Date: 6/21/2008 
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> 



From endacomm10 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 21 20:19:32 2008
From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:19:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
In-Reply-To: <062220080304.25664.485DC149000E084F000064402200735446029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <420916.35040.qm@web51408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Seems to be.. 


--- On Sat, 6/21/08, fgreatwestern at comcast.net <fgreatwestern at comcast.net> wrote:

From: fgreatwestern at comcast.net <fgreatwestern at comcast.net>
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 11:04 PM

Is the SEL working OK?  Haven't received any messages all day.  Thanks.
Fred in MI
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


      

From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Jun 21 20:19:47 2008
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 23:19:47 EDT
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
Message-ID: <bc5.278c0f15.358f1ed3@aol.com>

Your message arrived here at 8:08 local PDT.
 
 
In a message dated 6/21/2008 8:08:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
fgreatwestern at comcast.net writes:

Haven't  received any messages all day.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA  93454





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From fgreatwestern at comcast.net  Sat Jun 21 20:30:26 2008
From: fgreatwestern at comcast.net (fgreatwestern at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:30:26 +0000
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
Message-ID: <062220080330.13584.485DC75200043094000035102207021053029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net>

Your probably right.  We got back yesterday around 9 p.m.  Great show as usual.

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Dickie" <reb1952 at bellsouth.net> 

> Maybe everybody is at Coolsprings. 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:04 PM 
> Subject: [SEL] SEL working 
> 
> 
> > Is the SEL working OK? Haven't received any messages all day. Thanks. 
> > Fred in MI 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > SEL mailing list 
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > No virus found in this incoming message. 
> > Checked by AVG. 
> > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1512 - Release Date: 6/21/2008 
> > 9:27 AM 
> > 
> > 
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 

From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Sat Jun 21 20:39:18 2008
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 23:39:18 EDT
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
Message-ID: <d34.2c72b74f.358f2366@aol.com>

coming into Missouri loud and  clear.
Ron



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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Sat Jun 21 21:38:00 2008
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:38:00 +1000
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
In-Reply-To: <062220080330.13584.485DC75200043094000035102207021053029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net>
References: <062220080330.13584.485DC75200043094000035102207021053029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <485DD728.7030709@rustic-engines.com>

Made it up here to Oz OK.


-- 
Cheers,

Al Harris
Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com


fgreatwestern at comcast.net wrote:
> Your probably right.  We got back yesterday around 9 p.m.  Great show as usual.
>
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: "Dickie" <reb1952 at bellsouth.net> 
>
>   
>> Maybe everybody is at Coolsprings. 
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:04 PM 
>> Subject: [SEL] SEL working 
>>
>>
>>     
>>> Is the SEL working OK? Haven't received any messages all day. Thanks. 
>>> Fred in MI 
>>> _______________________________________________ 
>>> SEL mailing list 
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
>>>       



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Jun 22 04:34:11 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 07:34:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
In-Reply-To: <004501c8d416$04f14970$8fa9db0c@TOSHIBA>
References: <062220080304.25664.485DC149000E084F000064402200735446029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net>
	<004501c8d416$04f14970$8fa9db0c@TOSHIBA>
Message-ID: <EA4F4FFE-8467-4E2D-91AB-1D33CB1FA0E9@alltel.net>

Jake tells me that the attendance at the Coolspring Show was UP by  
about 40% this year! I think that (given the price of fuel) people  
are picking fewer shows to go to picking only what they consider to  
be THE BEST, at that. It was PACKED!
	Dave


On Jun 21, 2008, at 11:14 PM, Dickie wrote:

> Maybe everybody is at Coolsprings.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <fgreatwestern at comcast.net>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:04 PM
> Subject: [SEL] SEL working
>
>
>> Is the SEL working OK?  Haven't received any messages all day.   
>> Thanks.
>> Fred in MI
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG.
>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1512 - Release Date:  
>> 6/21/2008
>> 9:27 AM
>>
>>
>
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From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Sun Jun 22 06:11:20 2008
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 09:11:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
References: <062220080304.25664.485DC149000E084F000064402200735446029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net><004501c8d416$04f14970$8fa9db0c@TOSHIBA>
	<EA4F4FFE-8467-4E2D-91AB-1D33CB1FA0E9@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <008501c8d469$770f5fd0$0401a8c0@PC126411058289>

I usually try to visit Coolsprings at least for one day each year, but 
couldn't make it this year.  The Tod Engine project was given the use of a 
20,000 lb. forklift to use for the summer and I've been spending all my time 
getting it running. It needed a new carburetor and it took quite a while to 
find a plain old single barrel to put on it.  We had to make up an adapter 
for it, then had to put a new exhaust on.  I had some 2" sweeping conduit 
elbows and pipe fittings and fashioned the exhaust out of that.  It will 
take 100 years for that exhaust to rot away!

This forklift has a 20' reach, the highest I've ever seen a forklift go! 
Finally did get it running last night, and we just had to drive it around 
the block.  It was raining and when that high mast hit some tree branches 
all the water came down on our heads. :-)

It will be a great help in erecting our new enginehouse building over the 
summer.

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Foundation
"Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-272-4089
www.todengine.org

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL working


> Jake tells me that the attendance at the Coolspring Show was UP by
> about 40% this year! I think that (given the price of fuel) people
> are picking fewer shows to go to picking only what they consider to
> be THE BEST, at that. It was PACKED!
> Dave
>
>
> On Jun 21, 2008, at 11:14 PM, Dickie wrote:
>
>> Maybe everybody is at Coolsprings.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <fgreatwestern at comcast.net>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:04 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] SEL working
>>
>>
>>> Is the SEL working OK?  Haven't received any messages all day.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Fred in MI
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG.
>>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1512 - Release Date:
>>> 6/21/2008
>>> 9:27 AM
>>>
>>>
>>
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>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 08:54:15 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:54:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <6f6025160806220854n5ec827b6lf88aea01e49a5642@mail.gmail.com>

Very windy and wet weekend, although today was warmer than yesterday
when it dropped to the low 50's fahrenheit.

Scored a new AC fuel pump for the Onan W3S generator, remanufactured
in the 1980's but still worth getting after the problems we had with
ours just before Nuenen.

Also picked up the Petter AV1 diesel genny on the way up to the show,
we had to deliver some repaired kit to one of our customers in
Stourbridge, Birmingham, and the genny was within a mile of where we
were delivering :-))

Pictures up at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark2008/Astle2008Menu1.htm

or:

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/AstlePark2008/Astle2008Menu1.htm

2 pages, about 70 pictures on the thumbnail menus.

Peter

-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 22 14:58:09 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:58:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
In-Reply-To: <008501c8d469$770f5fd0$0401a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <633666.12520.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nice, Rick.
I will lend you my 3500 Ford Industrial tractor for a year too.
It just needs it's fuel line replace,? injector pump rebuilt, 3 sleeves, 3 pistons, some bearings and a few gaskets.
Once you get that all done that nice loader bucket is really handy to have.

Alan

--- On Sun, 6/22/08, Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com> wrote:
From: Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL working
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 9:11 AM

I usually try to visit Coolsprings at least for one day each year, but  couldn't make it this year.  The Tod Engine project was given the use of a  20,000 lb. forklift to use for the summer and I've been spending all my time  getting it running. It needed a new carburetor and it took quite a while to  find a plain old single barrel to put on it.  We had to make up an adapter  for it, then had to put a new exhaust on.  I had some 2" sweeping conduit  elbows and pipe fittings and fashioned the exhaust out of that.  It will  take 100 years for that exhaust to rot away!  This forklift has a 20' reach, the highest I've ever seen a forklift go!  Finally did get it running last night, and we just had to drive it around  the block.  It was raining and when that high mast hit some tree branches  all the water came down on our heads. :-)  It will be a great help in erecting our new enginehouse building over the  summer.  Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine
 Foundation "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH  44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org  ----- Original Message -----  From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL working   > Jake tells me that the attendance at the Coolspring Show was UP by > about 40% this year! I think that (given the price of fuel) people > are picking fewer shows to go to picking only what they consider to > be THE BEST, at that. It was PACKED! > Dave > > > On Jun 21, 2008, at 11:14 PM, Dickie wrote: > >> Maybe everybody is at Coolsprings. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <fgreatwestern at comcast.net> >> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> >> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:04 PM >> Subject: [SEL] SEL working >> >> >>> Is the SEL working OK?  Haven't received any messages all day. >>> Thanks. >>>
 Fred in MI >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> --  >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1512 - Release Date: >>> 6/21/2008 >>> 9:27 AM >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >    _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Sun Jun 22 15:31:55 2008
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:31:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
References: <633666.12520.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00da01c8d4b7$c719f550$0401a8c0@PC126411058289>

If it needs all that much work it would have to be a two year loan, and do 
something that my Allis Chalmers loader won't do!

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL working


Nice, Rick.
I will lend you my 3500 Ford Industrial tractor for a year too.
It just needs it's fuel line replace, injector pump rebuilt, 3 sleeves, 3 
pistons, some bearings and a few gaskets.
Once you get that all done that nice loader bucket is really handy to have.

Alan

--- On Sun, 6/22/08, Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com> 
wrote:
From: Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL working
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 9:11 AM

I usually try to visit Coolsprings at least for one day each year, but 
couldn't make it this year.  The Tod Engine project was given the use of a 
20,000 lb. forklift to use for the summer and I've been spending all my time 
getting it running. It needed a new carburetor and it took quite a while to 
find a plain old single barrel to put on it.  We had to make up an adapter 
for it, then had to put a new exhaust on.  I had some 2" sweeping conduit 
elbows and pipe fittings and fashioned the exhaust out of that.  It will 
take 100 years for that exhaust to rot away!  This forklift has a 20' reach, 
the highest I've ever seen a forklift go!  Finally did get it running last 
night, and we just had to drive it around  the block.  It was raining and 
when that high mast hit some tree branches  all the water came down on our 
heads. :-)  It will be a great help in erecting our new enginehouse building 
over the  summer.  Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine
 Foundation "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" 2261 Hubbard 
Road Youngstown, OH  44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org  ----- Original 
Message -----  From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net> To: "The SEL email 
discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 
2008 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL working   > Jake tells me that the 
attendance at the Coolspring Show was UP by > about 40% this year! I think 
that (given the price of fuel) people > are picking fewer shows to go to 
picking only what they consider to > be THE BEST, at that. It was PACKED! > 
Dave > > > On Jun 21, 2008, at 11:14 PM, Dickie wrote: > >> Maybe everybody 
is at Coolsprings. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: 
<fgreatwestern at comcast.net> >> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> >> 
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:04 PM >> Subject: [SEL] SEL working >> >> 
 >>> Is the SEL working OK?  Haven't received any messages all day. >>> 
Thanks. >>>
 Fred in MI >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL 
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jun 22 20:22:04 2008
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:22:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Best Show On Tracks pictures
Message-ID: <20080622.202206.956.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
I just put up 123 pictures from The Best Show On Tracks.  I have not put
on any captions or checked the arrangement.  There were so many tractors
it was impossible to photograph each one individually.  So they are in
rows or groups.  Some that struck my fancy got a close up.  There are old
trucks, fire trucks, heavy equipment, horse powered equipment, steam
engines, gas engines, and lots and lots of crawlers.  Enjoy.

http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/TheBestShowOnTracks

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
____________________________________________________________
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Read reviews about the beauty products you have always wanted to try
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun 23 02:08:46 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 05:08:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
In-Reply-To: <633666.12520.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <633666.12520.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1214212126.485f681e19340@webmail.city-net.com>

ROFLMAO!!  Alan, I think you're onto something here...  See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>:

> Nice, Rick.
> I will lend you my 3500 Ford Industrial tractor for a year too.
> It just needs it's fuel line replace,? injector pump rebuilt, 3 sleeves, 3
> pistons, some bearings and a few gaskets.
> Once you get that all done that nice loader bucket is really handy to have.



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Jun 23 03:35:16 2008
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 06:35:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Best Show On Tracks pictures
References: <20080622.202206.956.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <007301c8d51c$d3dee560$726f4b47@mikecomp>

That was excellent, thanks for sharing.

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <Wapa-members at rustyiron.com>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] Best Show On Tracks pictures


> Hi all.
> I just put up 123 pictures from The Best Show On Tracks.  I have not put
> on any captions or checked the arrangement.  There were so many tractors
> it was impossible to photograph each one individually.  So they are in
> rows or groups.  Some that struck my fancy got a close up.  There are old
> trucks, fire trucks, heavy equipment, horse powered equipment, steam
> engines, gas engines, and lots and lots of crawlers.  Enjoy.
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/TheBestShowOnTracks
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
> ____________________________________________________________
> Beauty Advice Just Got a Makeover
> Read reviews about the beauty products you have always wanted to try
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7UzusLcOKo28JCq37WCJMMto1otpYIfRyJQJ5R79H0CHU4N/
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Jun 23 05:58:57 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:58:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Western Union money order from Oz for engine parts
Message-ID: <005301c8d530$e686f590$0200a8c0@altech>

Hi guys and gals
I am sending a Western Union Money Order to Ohio from Australia, do your 
post offices cash those OK????
Please come back ASAP, are all states the same for these money orders???

Peter, Oz





From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Jun 23 06:37:09 2008
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:37:09 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Best Show On Tracks pictures
Message-ID: <c68.2cd82284.35910105@aol.com>

Ron,
Thanks for sharing the photos.
 
Francis Maciel
 
 
In a message dated 6/22/2008 8:29:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
rdhaskell at juno.com writes:

I just  put up 123 pictures from The Best Show On  Tracks. 




**************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for 
fuel-efficient used cars.      (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jun 23 06:46:41 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:46:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Western Union money order from Oz for engine parts
In-Reply-To: <005301c8d530$e686f590$0200a8c0@altech>
References: <005301c8d530$e686f590$0200a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <485FA941.20301@scrtc.com>

Peter,
    A WU Money order is as good as cash.  They don't have to go through 
the PO and can be cashed at a bank or any location that does Western 
Union.  We have some local grocery stores and pharmacies that do.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Hi guys and gals
>I am sending a Western Union Money Order to Ohio from Australia, do your 
>post offices cash those OK????
>Please come back ASAP, are all states the same for these money orders???
>
>Peter, Oz
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jun 23 17:00:33 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:00:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
Message-ID: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>

See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmnXH5kNNsI
	Dave


From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Jun 23 15:21:46 2008
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:21:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Western Union money order from Oz for engine parts
In-Reply-To: <485FA941.20301@scrtc.com>
References: <005301c8d530$e686f590$0200a8c0@altech> <485FA941.20301@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080624081643.022d5330@ncable.com.au>

Just for conversation; I was interested to see that ebay banned the 
use of western union money orders some time ago saying how un-safe 
they are! For what it is worth I have used them plenty of times and 
never had an once of trouble. If I was to have a hickup it may have 
been when they turned to electronic tranfers from the US to here. 
Instead of finding a note in my post box, the money was sitting on 
the local post office Pc. Just showed them my id and they forked cash 
out. ALL GOOD!
Russell

At 11:46 PM 23/06/2008, you wrote:
>Peter,
>     A WU Money order is as good as cash.  They don't have to go through
>the PO and can be cashed at a bank or any location that does Western
>Union.  We have some local grocery stores and pharmacies that do.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>
>
> >Hi guys and gals
> >I am sending a Western Union Money Order to Ohio from Australia, do your
> >post offices cash those OK????
> >Please come back ASAP, are all states the same for these money orders???
> >
> >Peter, Oz
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Jun 23 15:23:05 2008
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:23:05 +1000
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160806220854n5ec827b6lf88aea01e49a5642@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <6f6025160806220854n5ec827b6lf88aea01e49a5642@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080624082210.020940e0@ncable.com.au>

Great Pic's Peter, Shame you had ordinary weather.
Russell

At 01:54 AM 23/06/2008, you wrote:
>Very windy and wet weekend, although today was warmer than yesterday
>when it dropped to the low 50's fahrenheit.
>
>Scored a new AC fuel pump for the Onan W3S generator, remanufactured
>in the 1980's but still worth getting after the problems we had with
>ours just before Nuenen.
>
>Also picked up the Petter AV1 diesel genny on the way up to the show,
>we had to deliver some repaired kit to one of our customers in
>Stourbridge, Birmingham, and the genny was within a mile of where we
>were delivering :-))
>
>Pictures up at:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark2008/Astle2008Menu1.htm
>
>or:
>
>http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/AstlePark2008/Astle2008Menu1.htm
>
>2 pages, about 70 pictures on the thumbnail menus.
>
>Peter
>
>--
>Peter A Forbes
>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>http://stationary-engine.co.uk
>http://www.oldengine.co.uk
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 22:45:34 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:45:34 +0100
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080624082210.020940e0@ncable.com.au>
References: <6f6025160806220854n5ec827b6lf88aea01e49a5642@mail.gmail.com>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20080624082210.020940e0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806232245s164c211ej91b3867dbfdf291f@mail.gmail.com>

On 23/06/2008, Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au> wrote:
> Great Pic's Peter, Shame you had ordinary weather.
> Russell
>

Yup, when you think of the glorious weekend we had at Nuenen, it's
enough to make you cry!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From endacomm10 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 23 23:02:16 2008
From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:02:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
In-Reply-To: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <719522.52030.qm@web51410.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Kool !? My Hometown !


--- On Mon, 6/23/08, David Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:

From: David Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Jennifer Rotigel" <jrotigel at alltel.net>
Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 8:00 PM

See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmnXH5kNNsI
	Dave
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


      

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun 23 23:34:32 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:34:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Western Union money order from Oz for engine parts
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080624081643.022d5330@ncable.com.au>
References: <005301c8d530$e686f590$0200a8c0@altech> <485FA941.20301@scrtc.com>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20080624081643.022d5330@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <1214289272.48609578e7ef4@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Russell,

Quoting Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au>:

> Just for conversation; I was interested to see that ebay banned the 
> use of western union money orders some time ago saying how un-safe 
> they are! 

I think the eBay flap was over scammers using bogus western union money orders
in conjunction with eBay auctions.  The scam was to send the MO for way more
money than the auction needed and ask the seller to send cash in return.

See ya,  Arnie




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun 23 23:44:23 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:44:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
In-Reply-To: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>

On Jun 23, 2008, at 5:00 PM, David Rotigel wrote:

> See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmnXH5kNNsI
> 	Dave

Damn, Dave!  That's one fine lookin' engine.  You've got her running  
slooooooow.

As long as we're engaging in shameless YouTube self-promotion, here's  
a video I promised a week ago:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiK9J1cuYL0&fmt=18

And here's a video of a scene hog, shot by Christian Williams:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPhTdUTFZZQ&fmt=18

Party on, Wayne!







From russell at ncable.com.au  Tue Jun 24 00:04:06 2008
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:04:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Western Union money order from Oz for engine parts
In-Reply-To: <1214289272.48609578e7ef4@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <005301c8d530$e686f590$0200a8c0@altech> <485FA941.20301@scrtc.com>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20080624081643.022d5330@ncable.com.au>
	<1214289272.48609578e7ef4@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080624170322.022db570@ncable.com.au>

Fair enough Arnie, shame I didn't think of that :-)

At 04:34 PM 24/06/2008, you wrote:
>G'day Russell,
>
>Quoting Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au>:
>
> > Just for conversation; I was interested to see that ebay banned the
> > use of western union money orders some time ago saying how un-safe
> > they are!
>
>I think the eBay flap was over scammers using bogus western union money orders
>in conjunction with eBay auctions.  The scam was to send the MO for way more
>money than the auction needed and ask the seller to send cash in return.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From russell at ncable.com.au  Tue Jun 24 00:13:28 2008
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:13:28 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
In-Reply-To: <35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
	<35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080624171056.022f6c50@ncable.com.au>

Hey guys a nice way to start enjoying a few days off; I just got 
home, cracked a tiny and check the sel, I see you have a neat kero 
tin near your engine dave! I also had a look at robs vidoe then had 
to check out another he done on a 25 hp engine with plenty of 
comentary, an excellent vidoe Rob, good stuff.
Russell

At 04:44 PM 24/06/2008, you wrote:
>On Jun 23, 2008, at 5:00 PM, David Rotigel wrote:
>
> > See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmnXH5kNNsI
> >       Dave
>
>Damn, Dave!  That's one fine lookin' engine.  You've got her running
>slooooooow.
>
>As long as we're engaging in shameless YouTube self-promotion, here's
>a video I promised a week 
>ago:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiK9J1cuYL0&fmt=18
>
>And here's a video of a scene hog, shot by Christian Williams:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPhTdUTFZZQ&fmt=18
>
>Party on, Wayne!
>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun 24 02:31:53 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 05:31:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
In-Reply-To: <35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
	<35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <1214299913.4860bf09c8514@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey Dave,

It sure would hve saved us a lot of trouble if Rob had made one of these nifty
"how to start" videos for the Austral.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>:

> And here's a video of a scene hog, shot by Christian Williams:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPhTdUTFZZQ&fmt=18




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Jun 24 05:02:37 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:02:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
In-Reply-To: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <4860E25D.2050603@scrtc.com>

Nice Video Dave!  I wished I could  have made it to SIAM.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmnXH5kNNsI
>	Dave
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 24 05:50:44 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:50:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Western Union money order from Oz for engine parts
References: <005301c8d530$e686f590$0200a8c0@altech>
	<485FA941.20301@scrtc.com><7.0.1.0.1.20080624081643.022d5330@ncable.com.au>
	<1214289272.48609578e7ef4@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c8d5f8$eb512af0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>


> Quoting Russell Gilbert >> Just for conversation; I was interested to see 
> that ebay banned the
>> use of western union money orders some time ago saying how un-safe
>> they are! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
> > I think the eBay flap was over scammers using bogus western union money 
> > orders
> in conjunction with eBay auctions. > See ya,  Arnie >>>

Oh loahdy loahdy somebody please come and po-tects me !
Gimme a break , they dont care if youre that stupid .
 It's all about the float  . 



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun 24 07:33:59 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:33:59 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
In-Reply-To: <1214299913.4860bf09c8514@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
	<35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
	<1214299913.4860bf09c8514@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <5060008B-DBA1-4A21-A923-66CF8EC3C977@rustyiron.com>

  2008, at 2:31 AM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

> Hey Dave,
>
> It sure would hve saved us a lot of trouble if Rob had made one of  
> these nifty
> "how to start" videos for the Austral.  8-))


Sell high,
Don't make a video,
Buy back low.

Yep, that's my business strategy.
So Dave, how does $270 per ton sound?




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 07:46:06 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:46:06 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
In-Reply-To: <5060008B-DBA1-4A21-A923-66CF8EC3C977@rustyiron.com>
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
	<35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
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On 24/06/2008, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:
>   2008, at 2:31 AM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Dave,
>>
>> It sure would hve saved us a lot of trouble if Rob had made one of
>> these nifty
>> "how to start" videos for the Austral.  8-))
>
>
> Sell high,
> Don't make a video,
> Buy back low.
>
> Yep, that's my business strategy.
> So Dave, how does $270 per ton sound?

I'd give him $US 330.00 per ton if he includes shipping in the price.... :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From curt at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun 24 09:34:23 2008
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:34:23 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
In-Reply-To: <974111.51544.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <974111.51544.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <10791.168.215.206.73.1214325263.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Many thanks to all who replied to the thread on how to promote a show. I
have printed all of them and they should be good reading for our next
meeting.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

> The last few years I have tried to do my part by putting on an active
> display.
> I have a Mountville Hero two hole corn sheller much like the A.B. Farquare
> sheller that Mike and Susan Tucker had at Lincoln Tucker's Show & Tell on
> May 2, 2003.
>




From andyglines at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 24 11:25:40 2008
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:25:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 51, Issue 24
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1214323202.14059.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.1.1214323202.14059.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-W1846D3973F098368E80090C7A10@phx.gbl>


Dave found this one before I could point it out to him.  If you check out this user's other videos you might get to see another mostly stationary engine at the SIAM show.> Message: 1> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:00:33 -0400> From: David Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>> Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>> Cc: Jennifer Rotigel <jrotigel at alltel.net>> Message-ID: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419 at alltel.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed> > See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmnXH5kNNsI> Dave
_________________________________________________________________
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 24 15:53:43 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:53:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
	<35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c8d64d$278eb970$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>


>
> As long as we're engaging in shameless YouTube self-promotion, here's
> a video I promised a week ago: 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiK9J1cuYL0&fmt=18
>
Daaaaayum ! That is the coolest thing since breast implants for tattoos !
What ever happened to the guy building the showman's engine over the pond  ?
I saw some photos of big weldments , a frame , and boiler bits last year   .
Anyone seen updates ?







> And here's a video of a scene hog, shot by Christian Williams:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPhTdUTFZZQ&fmt=18
> > Party on, Wayne!

You do that right , and  I bet you could easily clear Momma's Ford  .
But .......can he stick the landing ?











c



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun 24 18:43:44 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:43:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
In-Reply-To: <003a01c8d64d$278eb970$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
	<35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
	<003a01c8d64d$278eb970$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <BCE40941-CE21-4BED-BA5D-EBF5C1E5CCA9@rustyiron.com>

On Jun 24, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote:
> Daaaaayum ! That is the coolest thing since breast implants for  
> tattoos !
> What ever happened to the guy building the showman's engine over the  
> pond  ?
> I saw some photos of big weldments , a frame , and boiler bits last  
> year   .
> Anyone seen updates ?

You sure you're not thinking of the same project, and the big lake is  
Havasu?








From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jun 24 19:00:04 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:00:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
In-Reply-To: <5060008B-DBA1-4A21-A923-66CF8EC3C977@rustyiron.com>
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
	<35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
	<1214299913.4860bf09c8514@webmail.city-net.com>
	<5060008B-DBA1-4A21-A923-66CF8EC3C977@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <B2BA004D-C73D-4C41-89FB-9C882987CEA8@alltel.net>


On Jun 24, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:

>  2008, at 2:31 AM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Dave,
>>
>> It sure would hve saved us a lot of trouble if Rob had made one of
>> these nifty
>> "how to start" videos for the Austral.  8-))
Arnie, At $150.00 per hour (I got his bill yesterday) for a doG Damn  
telephone "advice" I understand hos motivation!
>>
>
>
Hi Rob,
> Sell high,
You did!
>
> Don't make a video,
You did, but there was no "hot spot" at the SIAM show grounds!
>
> Buy back low.
Rots of Ruck!
>
>
> Yep, that's my business strategy.
> So Dave, how does $270 per ton sound?
How about I rent it to you at Baraboo and Portland for $599.99 per  
pound/per day?
	Dave
PS, Kelley, Don't worry, it's YOURS at BOTH shows (no charge.) I'll be  
showing the Baby Reid!
>


From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Tue Jun 24 20:58:46 2008
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:58:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine shows this weekend or next in Wash. DC area?
In-Reply-To: <BAY141-W1846D3973F098368E80090C7A10@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.1.1214323202.14059.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<BAY141-W1846D3973F098368E80090C7A10@phx.gbl>
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>
> I'm going to be in the DC area this weekend through July 5th.  Are  
> there any engine shows within a couple of hours of DC?
Thanks.
Keith
WWW.herculesengines.com



From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Jun 24 10:37:21 2008
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:37:21 +0100
Subject: [SEL] the weekend
Message-ID: <003e01c8d620$f4eb0680$8cffa859@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi guys,
            This weekend I was at the 1000engine show at Astle Park, the weather was not that great but the engines were good. One surprise that I got was an engine that was imported from the U.S in late 2007, as it came from Ashville N.C now I would have thought the cloistered oyster brothers would not have let it out of the state not to mention the country.

Cheers Craig in Scotland


P.S; with the rising cost of fuel maybe it was one of them that wsa selling priceless artefacts.

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jun 25 01:46:20 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:46:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Western Union money order from Oz for engine parts
In-Reply-To: <002e01c8d5f8$eb512af0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
References: <005301c8d530$e686f590$0200a8c0@altech>
	<485FA941.20301@scrtc.com><7.0.1.0.1.20080624081643.022d5330@ncable.com.au>
	<1214289272.48609578e7ef4@webmail.city-net.com>
	<002e01c8d5f8$eb512af0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <1214383580.486205dc7c10a@webmail.city-net.com>

heh-heh-heh

I'll bet it would have been a hoot to be in the eBay corporate boardroom when
they were talking about how scammers were making money off eBay clients.  I can
just hear the discussions along the lines of "Man, how can WE get a piece of
that action?!?!

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Chuck Balyeat <kerogas at sbcglobal.net>:

> > > I think the eBay flap was over scammers using bogus western union money 
> > > orders in conjunction with eBay auctions. 
> 
> Oh loahdy loahdy somebody please come and po-tects me !
> Gimme a break , they dont care if youre that stupid .
>  It's all about the float  . 




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jun 25 01:53:24 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:53:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
In-Reply-To: <5060008B-DBA1-4A21-A923-66CF8EC3C977@rustyiron.com>
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
	<35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
	<1214299913.4860bf09c8514@webmail.city-net.com>
	<5060008B-DBA1-4A21-A923-66CF8EC3C977@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <1214384004.48620784e77f7@webmail.city-net.com>

ROFLMAO!!!  Hey Rob, you forgot about those "consulting fees" for when Dave and
I call you from a show.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>:

> > It sure would hve saved us a lot of trouble if Rob had made one of  
> > these nifty "how to start" videos for the Austral.  8-))
> 
> Sell high,
> Don't make a video,
> Buy back low.
> 
> Yep, that's my business strategy.
> So Dave, how does $270 per ton sound?




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jun 25 02:27:19 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:27:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] the weekend
In-Reply-To: <003e01c8d620$f4eb0680$8cffa859@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <003e01c8d620$f4eb0680$8cffa859@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <1214386039.48620f77288b9@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Craig,

Which engine?  

BTW you should know by now that the Cloistered Oyster Brothers aren't bothered
by the skyrocketing price of oil and fuel.  One of 'em is IN the oil bidness. 
If they have any problem at all it's how to get rid of those bazillions of
dollars that just keep piling up everywhere.  Bloody fire hazard ya know. 
8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting craig morrison <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk>:

>             This weekend I was at the 1000engine show at Astle Park, the
> weather was not that great but the engines were good. One surprise that I got
> was an engine that was imported from the U.S in late 2007, as it came from
> Ashville N.C now I would have thought the cloistered oyster brothers would
> not have let it out of the state not to mention the country.
> 
> Cheers Craig in Scotland
> 
> 
> P.S; with the rising cost of fuel maybe it was one of them that wsa selling
> priceless artefacts.



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jun 25 05:08:54 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:08:54 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Western Union money order from Oz for engine parts
References: <005301c8d530$e686f590$0200a8c0@altech><485FA941.20301@scrtc.com><7.0.1.0.1.20080624081643.022d5330@ncable.com.au><1214289272.48609578e7ef4@webmail.city-net.com><002e01c8d5f8$eb512af0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<1214383580.486205dc7c10a@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000701c8d6bc$3d1bffe0$0200a8c0@altech>

They aleady have a large piece of the action Arnie, they charge you to place 
an advert, they take a commission off the sale and now they slog you for 
using PayPal to pay for it. Do they need any more.!!!!

Pete, Oz



> heh-heh-heh
>
> I'll bet it would have been a hoot to be in the eBay corporate boardroom 
> when
> they were talking about how scammers were making money off eBay clients. 
> I can
> just hear the discussions along the lines of "Man, how can WE get a piece 
> of
> that action?!?!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Quoting Chuck Balyeat <kerogas at sbcglobal.net>:
>
>> > > I think the eBay flap was over scammers using bogus western union 
>> > > money
>> > > orders in conjunction with eBay auctions.
>>
>> Oh loahdy loahdy somebody please come and po-tects me !
>> Gimme a break , they dont care if youre that stupid .
>>  It's all about the float  .
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 25 05:36:05 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:36:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net><35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com><003a01c8d64d$278eb970$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<BCE40941-CE21-4BED-BA5D-EBF5C1E5CCA9@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <002501c8d6c0$09d184d0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

 >> What ever happened to the guy building the showman's engine over the  
>> pond  ?
>> I saw some photos of big weldments , a frame , and boiler bits last  
>> year   .
>> Anyone seen updates ?
> 
> You sure you're not thinking of the same project, and the big lake is  
> Havasu?
 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Twisted iron ropework and other bits of gawdy engine jewelry ,  it was a 
showman's  engine .  


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 25 07:13:08 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:13:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] the weekend
In-Reply-To: <003e01c8d620$f4eb0680$8cffa859@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <003e01c8d620$f4eb0680$8cffa859@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <BAY144-W43C7CE1C1286F8B1071B7F95A00@phx.gbl>


Hi Craig, You must have mis understood  the owner  of this engine...... It is on the foreign exchange program you see.  An engine goes over to your side of the pond and one HAS to come over to our side  to balance the gravity! 
                                      Poor ole Steve, the destitute cloistered oyster
 
 
 
 
 
> From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:37:21 +0100> Subject: [SEL] the weekend> > Hi guys,> This weekend I was at the 1000engine show at Astle Park, the weather was not that great but the engines were good. One surprise that I got was an engine that was imported from the U.S in late 2007, as it came from Ashville N.C now I would have thought the cloistered oyster brothers would not have let it out of the state not to mention the country.> > Cheers Craig in Scotland> > > P.S; with the rising cost of fuel maybe it was one of them that wsa selling priceless artefacts.> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From driggars at wildblue.net  Wed Jun 25 09:07:23 2008
From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:07:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Western Union money order from Oz for engine parts
In-Reply-To: <000701c8d6bc$3d1bffe0$0200a8c0@altech>
References: <005301c8d530$e686f590$0200a8c0@altech><485FA941.20301@scrtc.com><7.0.1.0.1.20080624081643.022d5330@ncable.com.au><1214289272.48609578e7ef4@webmail.city-net.com><002e01c8d5f8$eb512af0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>	<1214383580.486205dc7c10a@webmail.city-net.com>
	<000701c8d6bc$3d1bffe0$0200a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <48626D3B.1030602@wildblue.net>

And then paypal charges a % of the final sale price including the 
shipping costs!


Peter Lowe wrote:
> They aleady have a large piece of the action Arnie, they charge you to place 
> an advert, they take a commission off the sale and now they slog you for 
> using PayPal to pay for it. Do they need any more.!!!!
>
> Pete, Oz
>
>
>
>   
>> heh-heh-heh
>>
>> I'll bet it would have been a hoot to be in the eBay corporate boardroom 
>> when
>> they were talking about how scammers were making money off eBay clients. 
>> I can
>> just hear the discussions along the lines of "Man, how can WE get a piece 
>> of
>> that action?!?!
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> Quoting Chuck Balyeat <kerogas at sbcglobal.net>:
>>
>>     
>>>>> I think the eBay flap was over scammers using bogus western union 
>>>>> money
>>>>> orders in conjunction with eBay auctions.
>>>>>           
>>> Oh loahdy loahdy somebody please come and po-tects me !
>>> Gimme a break , they dont care if youre that stupid .
>>>  It's all about the float  .
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>     
>
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>
>   


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Jun 25 10:05:56 2008
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:05:56 +0100
Subject: [SEL] the weekend
References: <003e01c8d620$f4eb0680$8cffa859@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <003b01c8d6e5$bee28430$742d0556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "craig morrison" <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:37 PM
Subject: [SEL] the weekend


> Hi guys,
>            This weekend I was at the 1000engine show at Astle Park, the weather was not that great but the engines were good. One 
> surprise that I got was an engine that was imported from the U.S in late 2007, as it came from Ashville N.C now I would have 
> thought the cloistered oyster brothers would not have let it out of the state not to mention the country.
> Cheers Craig in Scotland
> P.S; with the rising cost of fuel maybe it was one of them that wsa selling priceless artefacts.

Hi Craig, I haven't had time to name most of the pictures but the pictures I took at Astle Park are on
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/563901673vfyHVp
The first pictures are the "rare as Dobby Horse Shit" Atkinson Cycle in the Anson tent.
I also liked the horizontal Lister D, but then I always did have a sense of humo(u)r.
Many other good engines, in fact after 24 years of attending the 1000 I must
have seen about 5 engines new to me every year including this one.
Lets hope we get better weather next year
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Wed Jun 25 11:06:13 2008
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:06:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] the weekend
References: <003e01c8d620$f4eb0680$8cffa859@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
	<003b01c8d6e5$bee28430$742d0556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <021201c8d6ee$286690b0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a>

Hi Dave,

What does the small shaft do that is belted to the flywheel 
of the Atkinson engine.  Probably a govenor but I can't see 
enough detail to tell.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, California U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] the weekend


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "craig morrison" <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:37 PM
Subject: [SEL] the weekend


> Hi guys,
>            This weekend I was at the 1000engine show at 
> Astle Park, the weather was not that great but the engines 
> were good. One
> surprise that I got was an engine that was imported from 
> the U.S in late 2007, as it came from Ashville N.C now I 
> would have
> thought the cloistered oyster brothers would not have let 
> it out of the state not to mention the country.
> Cheers Craig in Scotland
> P.S; with the rising cost of fuel maybe it was one of them 
> that wsa selling priceless artefacts.

Hi Craig, I haven't had time to name most of the pictures 
but the pictures I took at Astle Park are on
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/563901673vfyHVp
The first pictures are the "rare as Dobby Horse Shit" 
Atkinson Cycle in the Anson tent.
I also liked the horizontal Lister D, but then I always did 
have a sense of humo(u)r.
Many other good engines, in fact after 24 years of attending 
the 1000 I must
have seen about 5 engines new to me every year including 
this one.
Lets hope we get better weather next year
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

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From curt at rustyiron.com  Wed Jun 25 12:23:52 2008
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:23:52 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] the weekend
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Craig,
Thanks to numerous sweet female distractions, this one made it thru to you.
If it wasn't for the high turnover rate of "oysterized" women none of us
in western NC would a chance at all of having any engines. In fact it is
common knowledge 'round here, that when a desirable engine becomes
available, we simply engage the services a gorgeous gal to distract the
cloistered oyster, until the engine deal is complete. So there you have
it, one of the best kept engine collecting secrets is out of the bag now.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


> Hi guys,
>             This weekend I was at the 1000engine show at Astle Park, the
> weather was not that great but the engines were good. One
> surprise that I got was an engine that was imported from the
> U.S in late 2007, as it came from Asheville N.C now I would
> have thought the cloistered oyster brothers would not have let
> it out of the state not to mention the country.
>
> Cheers Craig in Scotland
>
>
> P.S; with the rising cost of fuel maybe it was one of them that wsa
> selling priceless artefacts.
> _______________________________________________
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Jun 25 12:51:09 2008
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:51:09 +0100
Subject: [SEL] the weekend
References: <003e01c8d620$f4eb0680$8cffa859@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O><003b01c8d6e5$bee28430$742d0556@intrepid>
	<021201c8d6ee$286690b0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <000d01c8d6fc$d1cc7800$742d0556@intrepid>

It seems to be 2 rotating weights that expand from centrifugal force moving  
a fork sideways to adjust the carb.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Kirkes" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] the weekend


> Hi Dave,
> 
> What does the small shaft do that is belted to the flywheel 
> of the Atkinson engine.  Probably a govenor but I can't see 
> enough detail to tell.
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, California U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] the weekend
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "craig morrison" <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:37 PM
> Subject: [SEL] the weekend
> 
> 
>> Hi guys,
>>            This weekend I was at the 1000engine show at 
>> Astle Park, the weather was not that great but the engines 
>> were good. One
>> surprise that I got was an engine that was imported from 
>> the U.S in late 2007, as it came from Ashville N.C now I 
>> would have
>> thought the cloistered oyster brothers would not have let 
>> it out of the state not to mention the country.
>> Cheers Craig in Scotland
>> P.S; with the rising cost of fuel maybe it was one of them 
>> that wsa selling priceless artefacts.
> 
> Hi Craig, I haven't had time to name most of the pictures 
> but the pictures I took at Astle Park are on
> http://good-times.webshots.com/album/563901673vfyHVp
> The first pictures are the "rare as Dobby Horse Shit" 
> Atkinson Cycle in the Anson tent.
> I also liked the horizontal Lister D, but then I always did 
> have a sense of humo(u)r.
> Many other good engines, in fact after 24 years of attending 
> the 1000 I must
> have seen about 5 engines new to me every year including 
> this one.
> Lets hope we get better weather next year
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
> 
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 25 13:22:34 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:22:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] the weekend
References: <003e01c8d620$f4eb0680$8cffa859@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
	<60467.168.215.206.73.1214421832.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <000801c8d701$3484b2b0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

 And they dont rent pigs , so dont ask .

> Craig,
> Thanks to numerous sweet female distractions, this one made it thru to 
> you.
> If it wasn't for the high turnover rate of "oysterized" women none of us
> in western NC would a chance at all of having any engines. In fact it is
> common knowledge 'round here, that when a desirable engine becomes
> available, we simply engage the services a gorgeous gal to distract the
> cloistered oyster, until the engine deal is complete. So there you have
> it, one of the best kept engine collecting secrets is out of the bag now.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
 



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Tue Jun 24 02:45:52 2008
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:45:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
In-Reply-To: <35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
	<35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <BE61716138184C3A8E8D715C03CD383A@KerryPC>

G'Day, Dave Rob

You both have done well with the video's looks good and engines running well

Dave, she looks to have a new finish, what did you do?

Kerry




>
>> See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmnXH5kNNsI
>> Dave
>
> Damn, Dave!  That's one fine lookin' engine.  You've got her running
> slooooooow.
>
> As long as we're engaging in shameless YouTube self-promotion, here's
> a video I promised a week ago: 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiK9J1cuYL0&fmt=18
>
> And here's a video of a scene hog, shot by Christian Williams:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPhTdUTFZZQ&fmt=18
>



From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Jun 25 14:26:09 2008
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:26:09 +0100
Subject: [SEL] the weekend
References: <003e01c8d620$f4eb0680$8cffa859@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
	<60467.168.215.206.73.1214421832.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <001001c8d70a$17e57e60$10656e58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Curt,
Now that the secret is out you have no chance of having a sniff of a new 
engine from any surrounding states if they know!!!
By the way the engine in question is a Stover and the owner comes from the 
south east of Scotland (no where near me ,and I wasn't involved with the 
procurement of the engine).
Craig
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <curt at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] the weekend


> Craig,
> Thanks to numerous sweet female distractions, this one made it thru to 
> you.
> If it wasn't for the high turnover rate of "oysterized" women none of us
> in western NC would a chance at all of having any engines. In fact it is
> common knowledge 'round here, that when a desirable engine becomes
> available, we simply engage the services a gorgeous gal to distract the
> cloistered oyster, until the engine deal is complete. So there you have
> it, one of the best kept engine collecting secrets is out of the bag now.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
>
>> Hi guys,
>>             This weekend I was at the 1000engine show at Astle Park, the
>> weather was not that great but the engines were good. One
>> surprise that I got was an engine that was imported from the
>> U.S in late 2007, as it came from Asheville N.C now I would
>> have thought the cloistered oyster brothers would not have let
>> it out of the state not to mention the country.
>>
>> Cheers Craig in Scotland
>>
>>
>> P.S; with the rising cost of fuel maybe it was one of them that wsa
>> selling priceless artefacts.
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jun 26 22:56:04 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:56:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Western Union money order from Oz for engine parts
In-Reply-To: <48626D3B.1030602@wildblue.net>
References: <005301c8d530$e686f590$0200a8c0@altech><485FA941.20301@scrtc.com><7.0.1.0.1.20080624081643.022d5330@ncable.com.au><1214289272.48609578e7ef4@webmail.city-net.com><002e01c8d5f8$eb512af0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<1214383580.486205dc7c10a@webmail.city-net.com>
	<000701c8d6bc$3d1bffe0$0200a8c0@altech>
	<48626D3B.1030602@wildblue.net>
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Clint,  Get the FREE PayPal account.  No fees or charges whatsoever.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Clint D <driggars at wildblue.net>:

> And then paypal charges a % of the final sale price including the 
> shipping costs!




From fgreatwestern at comcast.net  Fri Jun 27 14:42:35 2008
From: fgreatwestern at comcast.net (fgreatwestern at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:42:35 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Moore "Sure-Cool" engine
Message-ID: <062720082142.25746.48655ECA000F2498000064922207021573029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net>

Does anyone on the list have any info about these engines?  I am particularly interested in the 3 HP
model and the correct carburetor for it.  I know of one but don't know if it has the correct carb.  It has a Lunkenheimer on it.  Any information will be appreciated.  Thanks.

From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 27 16:01:31 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:01:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Moore "Sure-Cool" engine
In-Reply-To: <062720082142.25746.48655ECA000F2498000064922207021573029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net>
References: <062720082142.25746.48655ECA000F2498000064922207021573029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY144-W38F367806D3E50A1816E0B95A20@phx.gbl>


Bill Bird Recently sold one to Kenny Wolfe and he may still have it, I don't have his contact info but maybe someone else does. Steve> From: fgreatwestern at comcast.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:42:35 +0000> Subject: [SEL] Moore "Sure-Cool" engine> > Does anyone on the list have any info about these engines? I am particularly interested in the 3 HP> model and the correct carburetor for it. I know of one but don't know if it has the correct carb. It has a Lunkenheimer on it. Any information will be appreciated. Thanks.> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From fgreatwestern at comcast.net  Fri Jun 27 20:13:54 2008
From: fgreatwestern at comcast.net (fgreatwestern at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 03:13:54 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Moore "Sure-Cool" engine
Message-ID: <062820080313.10218.4865AC72000051DF000027EA2213484373029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net>

Thanks, Steve.  I'll try to check on it.  Say "Hello" to Bill for me.
Fred Schultz in MI

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com> 

> 
> Bill Bird Recently sold one to Kenny Wolfe and he may still have it, I don't 
> have his contact info but maybe someone else does. Steve> From: 
> fgreatwestern at comcast.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Fri, 27 
> Jun 2008 21:42:35 +0000> Subject: [SEL] Moore "Sure-Cool" engine> > Does anyone 
> on the list have any info about these engines? I am particularly interested in 
> the 3 HP> model and the correct carburetor for it. I know of one but don't know 
> if it has the correct carb. It has a Lunkenheimer on it. Any information will be 
> appreciated. Thanks.> _______________________________________________> SEL 
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From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Jun 25 14:47:01 2008
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:47:01 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Ozzie help needed
Message-ID: <002101c8d70d$007148b0$10656e58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi Guys,
    I am trying to trace the owner of an engine that was pictured in the TOMM in dec 1999 / jan 2000 at the Lake Goldsmith rally, it is an engine named " The Angus ".
    As far as I know apart from this one the only other survivor is awaiting restoration in my shop, but this is where my problems start as the one down under appears to be in running order mine is not. The parts that I would need to complete this project are a fuel mixer and a complete governor system (either hit  & miss or throttle ?? ).
    Any help on this would be very much appreciated as so far this project has been on the go for the last 6 years on and off and I would like to get it finished but am unsure which way to proceed, I have had many suggestions from knowledgeable people on this side of the pond many contradicting the previous persons thought.
     The engine that I have has a nice brass makers tag on it but upon tracing the company history , which is available at a museum there is absolutely no mention of this type of engine at all. So after many numerous hours of research I have come to the conclusion the engine was made by another local maker and the sold through the company on the plate
    
    Thanks in advance for any help at all on this project,
    Craig in Scotland

From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Jun 28 09:38:07 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:38:07 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Massey Harris hand pump/Bentall grinder correction
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080628183620.00befba0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Oops! small correction - The Bentall is a No.3 - not No.2


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Jun 28 08:40:04 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:40:04 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Massey Harris hand pump/Bentall grinder
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080628172525.00beacc0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Apologies for the Off Topic but you all know that I swear by the 
knowledge available on these lists.

         I'm making wooden bases for a Massey Harris hand operated Well 
pump and a Bentall No.2 hand corn grinder and had just applied the last 
coat of varnish when I decided to do a bit of signwriting on them.

         Just the name and a short description of each unit including 
approximate years of manufacture of the 2 units. I do not want to try to 
date them exactly - just put in something to the effect that "these were 
manufactured between the years 19?? and 19??"

         This is where you guys come in! Can anyone give me some ideas of 
the manufacturing timespan (approximate is fine) that these units were 
produced??

Some pics here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/pump/index.htm>

         Thanks in advance - speedy replies will really be appreciated 
because I will then be able to finish them tonight (it's 5:25pm here)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm




From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Jun 28 16:37:04 2008
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:37:04 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ozzie help needed
In-Reply-To: <002101c8d70d$007148b0$10656e58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <002101c8d70d$007148b0$10656e58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080629093341.0208e518@ncable.com.au>

G'day Graig,
sorry can't help. I saw your post on Harry's first, the Tomm then 
here! I had not heard of an angus engine. you got the better of me so 
I had to go check out the TOMM pic's of the engine. Sure is an 
interesting looking machine.Maybe someone here knows the name of the 
closest club to Stawell where aparently this engine maybe living?? 
Craig could then write to the club to find the owner that way??
Just a thought.
Russ


At 07:47 AM 26/06/2008, you wrote:
>Hi Guys,
>     I am trying to trace the owner of an engine that was pictured 
> in the TOMM in dec 1999 / jan 2000 at the Lake Goldsmith rally, it 
> is an engine named " The Angus ".
>     As far as I know apart from this one the only other survivor is 
> awaiting restoration in my shop, but this is where my problems 
> start as the one down under appears to be in running order mine is 
> not. The parts that I would need to complete this project are a 
> fuel mixer and a complete governor system (either hit  & miss or throttle ?? ).
>     Any help on this would be very much appreciated as so far this 
> project has been on the go for the last 6 years on and off and I 
> would like to get it finished but am unsure which way to proceed, I 
> have had many suggestions from knowledgeable people on this side of 
> the pond many contradicting the previous persons thought.
>      The engine that I have has a nice brass makers tag on it but 
> upon tracing the company history , which is available at a museum 
> there is absolutely no mention of this type of engine at all. So 
> after many numerous hours of research I have come to the conclusion 
> the engine was made by another local maker and the sold through the 
> company on the plate
>
>     Thanks in advance for any help at all on this project,
>     Craig in Scotland
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From sndakitto at activ8.net.au  Sun Jun 29 01:09:06 2008
From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:09:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ozzie help needed
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080629093341.0208e518@ncable.com.au>
References: <002101c8d70d$007148b0$10656e58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20080629093341.0208e518@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <000301c8d9bf$6a23ef60$3e6bce20$@net.au>

Craig
Perhaps try this group, they are not far from Stawell. Got this off NHMA
site

20th and 21st September, 2008 - Dunmunkle Sump Oilers Machinery Preservation
Inc. Annual Rally.  Our annual engine and machinery rally is to be held at
our Murtoa headquarters on the 20th and 21st September, 2008 with the theme
for this event being "diesel engines and tractors".  Our larger Hornsby
Engines will again be running from time to time over the weekend.  Free on
site camping and excellent facilities are available for exhibitors.  A food
and drinks kiosk will be operating all weekend and Sunday breakfast will
again be provided to exhibitors.  For more information contact John on (03)
5358 1370 or via email to jhart at netconnect.com.au

Steve

Steve and Denise Kitto
95 Coleyville Road
Mutdapilly  QLD   Australia 4307 
Ph 07 54671541

As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.  
Proverbs 27:19
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Gilbert
Sent: Sunday, 29 June 2008 9:37
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Ozzie help needed

G'day Graig,
sorry can't help. I saw your post on Harry's first, the Tomm then 
here! I had not heard of an angus engine. you got the better of me so 
I had to go check out the TOMM pic's of the engine. Sure is an 
interesting looking machine.Maybe someone here knows the name of the 
closest club to Stawell where aparently this engine maybe living?? 
Craig could then write to the club to find the owner that way??
Just a thought.
Russ


At 07:47 AM 26/06/2008, you wrote:
>Hi Guys,
>     I am trying to trace the owner of an engine that was pictured 
> in the TOMM in dec 1999 / jan 2000 at the Lake Goldsmith rally, it 
> is an engine named " The Angus ".
>     As far as I know apart from this one the only other survivor is 
> awaiting restoration in my shop, but this is where my problems 
> start as the one down under appears to be in running order mine is 
> not. The parts that I would need to complete this project are a 
> fuel mixer and a complete governor system (either hit  & miss or throttle
?? ).
>     Any help on this would be very much appreciated as so far this 
> project has been on the go for the last 6 years on and off and I 
> would like to get it finished but am unsure which way to proceed, I 
> have had many suggestions from knowledgeable people on this side of 
> the pond many contradicting the previous persons thought.
>      The engine that I have has a nice brass makers tag on it but 
> upon tracing the company history , which is available at a museum 
> there is absolutely no mention of this type of engine at all. So 
> after many numerous hours of research I have come to the conclusion 
> the engine was made by another local maker and the sold through the 
> company on the plate
>
>     Thanks in advance for any help at all on this project,
>     Craig in Scotland
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics

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From ilifa at internode.on.net  Sun Jun 29 04:14:39 2008
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:14:39 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ozzie help needed
In-Reply-To: <000301c8d9bf$6a23ef60$3e6bce20$@net.au>
References: <002101c8d70d$007148b0$10656e58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20080629093341.0208e518@ncable.com.au>
	<000301c8d9bf$6a23ef60$3e6bce20$@net.au>
Message-ID: <a06240800c48d1e388563@[192.168.1.2]>

Information about the owner of the Angus engine has already 
forwarded. This was done via another forum. So, I believe all is well.

Eric


From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Jun 29 10:45:25 2008
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:45:25 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Re Ozziehelp needed
Message-ID: <001c01c8da0f$e95bc7d0$511d6f58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi Guys,
            Thanks for all the help as Eric pointed out the informatio was forwarded on another forum which I also posted on for help. There must have been a delay in the post getting to the sel as both posts were sent at the same time.

    Thanks , Craig

From oldironnut at alltel.net  Sun Jun 29 17:08:02 2008
From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:08:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question
In-Reply-To: <008501c8d469$770f5fd0$0401a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <062220080304.25664.485DC149000E084F000064402200735446029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net><004501c8d416$04f14970$8fa9db0c@TOSHIBA>	<EA4F4FFE-8467-4E2D-91AB-1D33CB1FA0E9@alltel.net>
	<008501c8d469$770f5fd0$0401a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <486823E2.9050102@alltel.net>

Howdy all,

I have a couple of igniter questions. I know that with spark plugs, a 
spark plug may have a reasonable spark outside of the cylinder but fail 
to spark inside the cylinder under compression. Is that the case with an 
igniter? I'm getting irregular spark out of the igniter on my 1907 4 hp 
IHC Famous. Although there are times when it doesn't spark at all and 
I'm not really sure which wiggle or other assorted voodoo seems to get 
it to spark, whne it sparks it seems to spark well when it's grounded 
outside of the cylinder. However, when it's installed on the engine I 
don't seem to be getting spark (plenty of gas, plenty of compression and 
timed correctly). So, back to my question, are igniters like spark plugs 
in that they may not fire correctly under compression?

That's the situation and question for educational purposes but I guess 
that the bigger and more important question is who have y'all used that 
rebuilds igniters who will be able to do it BEFORE Portland?

Thanks for the help,
Mike


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Jun 29 17:40:30 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:40:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question
In-Reply-To: <486823E2.9050102@alltel.net>
References: <062220080304.25664.485DC149000E084F000064402200735446029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net><004501c8d416$04f14970$8fa9db0c@TOSHIBA>	<EA4F4FFE-8467-4E2D-91AB-1D33CB1FA0E9@alltel.net>
	<008501c8d469$770f5fd0$0401a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<486823E2.9050102@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <FC852CF9-FF26-459F-8CA2-ABE4C032B321@rustyiron.com>

On Jun 29, 2008, at 5:08 PM, Michael Tucker wrote:
> I have a couple of igniter questions. I know that with spark plugs, a
> spark plug may have a reasonable spark outside of the cylinder but  
> fail
> to spark inside the cylinder under compression. Is that the case  
> with an
> igniter? I'm getting irregular spark out of the igniter on my 1907 4  
> hp
> IHC Famous. Although there are times when it doesn't spark at all and
> I'm not really sure which wiggle or other assorted voodoo seems to get
> it to spark, whne it sparks it seems to spark well when it's grounded
> outside of the cylinder. However, when it's installed on the engine I
> don't seem to be getting spark (plenty of gas, plenty of compression  
> and
> timed correctly). So, back to my question, are igniters like spark  
> plugs
> in that they may not fire correctly under compression?
>
> That's the situation and question for educational purposes but I guess
> that the bigger and more important question is who have y'all used  
> that
> rebuilds igniters who will be able to do it BEFORE Portland?

Heya Mike,
I'm assuming that you've already checked that the trip is operating  
satisfactorily and the moving parts are moving freely.  I'm also  
assuming you've got it all clean and the contact faces are parallel  
and smooth.

In my completely unqualified, unestimated and unconsidered opinion,  
most ignitors are poorly designed.  I don't even know what an  
International ignitor looks like.  BUT... most ignitors rely on the  
current traveling through the ignitor body and the movable contact.   
Got that?  It's an electrical connection that isn't solid and is  
contaminated by oil and goop.  It makes my head hurt just thinking  
about it.

Maybe the design is good when the ignitor is new, but the more it  
wears, the worse the electrical connection becomes. you can test this  
by taking a jumper wire with alligator clips and jumping between the  
movable contact and a good ground.  If this alleviates your problem,  
you can drill the end of the shaft, tap it, and make up a permanent  
jumper by winding some old-style wire around a pencil.  It can look so  
original that no one will know it's not original.

Improvement of that connection is the main thing you get out of an  
ignitor rebuild.  You'll get new insulation, as well, but that's  
nothing that you can't do yourself in ten minutes.

Rob





From johnculp at btes.tv  Sun Jun 29 19:16:05 2008
From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:16:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question
In-Reply-To: <FC852CF9-FF26-459F-8CA2-ABE4C032B321@rustyiron.com>
References: <062220080304.25664.485DC149000E084F000064402200735446029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net><004501c8d416$04f14970$8fa9db0c@TOSHIBA>	<EA4F4FFE-8467-4E2D-91AB-1D33CB1FA0E9@alltel.net>
	<008501c8d469$770f5fd0$0401a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<486823E2.9050102@alltel.net>
	<FC852CF9-FF26-459F-8CA2-ABE4C032B321@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <519fc81ee29101f0bb1761440246935f@btes.tv>

Could it be The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys?

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Jun 29 19:45:02 2008
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:45:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question
References: <062220080304.25664.485DC149000E084F000064402200735446029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net><004501c8d416$04f14970$8fa9db0c@TOSHIBA>	<EA4F4FFE-8467-4E2D-91AB-1D33CB1FA0E9@alltel.net><008501c8d469$770f5fd0$0401a8c0@PC126411058289><486823E2.9050102@alltel.net><FC852CF9-FF26-459F-8CA2-ABE4C032B321@rustyiron.com>
	<519fc81ee29101f0bb1761440246935f@btes.tv>
Message-ID: <002301c8da5b$4bd8d600$726f4b47@mikecomp>

No, that's only the sound that you are hearing.......


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at btes.tv>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Ignitor question


> Could it be The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys?
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> 
> 
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From rsrolfne at atnet.net  Sun Jun 29 19:48:59 2008
From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:48:59 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question
In-Reply-To: <486823E2.9050102@alltel.net>
References: <062220080304.25664.485DC149000E084F000064402200735446029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net><004501c8d416$04f14970$8fa9db0c@TOSHIBA>	<EA4F4FFE-8467-4E2D-91AB-1D33CB1FA0E9@alltel.net>	<008501c8d469$770f5fd0$0401a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<486823E2.9050102@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <4868499B.1050303@atnet.net>

Mike - I'm not a guru on the subject but found this article very well 
done.  Check out and good luck.  http://www.old-engine.com/magign.htm

Regards,

Bob



Michael Tucker wrote:
> Howdy all,
> 
> I have a couple of igniter questions. I know that with spark plugs, a 
> spark plug may have a reasonable spark outside of the cylinder but fail 
> to spark inside the cylinder under compression. Is that the case with an 
> igniter? I'm getting irregular spark out of the igniter on my 1907 4 hp 
> IHC Famous. Although there are times when it doesn't spark at all and 
> I'm not really sure which wiggle or other assorted voodoo seems to get 
> it to spark, whne it sparks it seems to spark well when it's grounded 
> outside of the cylinder. However, when it's installed on the engine I 
> don't seem to be getting spark (plenty of gas, plenty of compression and 
> timed correctly). So, back to my question, are igniters like spark plugs 
> in that they may not fire correctly under compression?
> 
> That's the situation and question for educational purposes but I guess 
> that the bigger and more important question is who have y'all used that 
> rebuilds igniters who will be able to do it BEFORE Portland?
> 
> Thanks for the help,
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> 


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Jun 29 19:43:52 2008
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:43:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question
References: <062220080304.25664.485DC149000E084F000064402200735446029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net><004501c8d416$04f14970$8fa9db0c@TOSHIBA>	<EA4F4FFE-8467-4E2D-91AB-1D33CB1FA0E9@alltel.net><008501c8d469$770f5fd0$0401a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<486823E2.9050102@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <002a01c8da5c$53dd0820$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

If you use the primary windings of a car coil, 12v battery, Bat- to earth, + 
to the coil, to igniter,igniter, and the engine fires up ok, then you have a 
weak LT mag/generator.(Disconnect the mag lead from the igniter first).
Most times, in my experience, this is the reason for not running.
A carbon bridge to earth, over the insulating Mica, is another
Common trouble.
Easy to check an igniter outside the engine with the battery,coil setup too.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Tucker" <oldironnut at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:08 AM
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question


> Howdy all,
>
> I have a couple of igniter questions. I know that with spark plugs, a
> spark plug may have a reasonable spark outside of the cylinder but fail
> to spark inside the cylinder under compression. Is that the case with an
> igniter? I'm getting irregular spark out of the igniter on my 1907 4 hp
> IHC Famous. Although there are times when it doesn't spark at all and
> I'm not really sure which wiggle or other assorted voodoo seems to get
> it to spark, whne it sparks it seems to spark well when it's grounded
> outside of the cylinder. However, when it's installed on the engine I
> don't seem to be getting spark (plenty of gas, plenty of compression and
> timed correctly). So, back to my question, are igniters like spark plugs
> in that they may not fire correctly under compression?
>
> That's the situation and question for educational purposes but I guess
> that the bigger and more important question is who have y'all used that
> rebuilds igniters who will be able to do it BEFORE Portland?
>
> Thanks for the help,
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From MBellar at aol.com  Mon Jun 30 08:24:55 2008
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:24:55 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question
Message-ID: <be2.2d527555.359a54c7@aol.com>

Mike;
 
I had a similar problem with my Famous. I found that the igniter casting  was 
fairly well insulated from the head by the igniter gasket and paint on the  
stud bolts. Measuring the resistance between the igniter casting and the  
cylinder head I found it to be 100+ ohms. After I removed the paint from  the studs 
and the bolt holes in the igniter casting I found the resistance  to be ~ 1 
ohm and the igniter functioned well.One can monitor the point  operating by 
placing a current meter in series with the battery or operate the  coil with a 
battery charger with a meter. It takes about 10,000 volts for a  spark to jump 1 
inch in air at standard temp. and pressure and higher voltages  are required 
at higher pressures and different atmospheres. That is why  marginal spark 
plugs may not work when installed in an engine. The magnetic  field generated by 
the coil collapses the instant the igniter opens generating  the back EMF that 
generates the spark between the igniter points and  ground. It is possible 
that the length and intensity of the spark could be  effected by the increased 
cylinder pressure, but it is not likely that no spark  will occur. ( exceptions 
include Ohio, KY and everywhere else igniter  problems occur.)
 
Tom Bellar SW Ohio
 
 



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From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Jun 30 10:37:54 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:37:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question
In-Reply-To: <be2.2d527555.359a54c7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOECDHCAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Mike:

Take a look here for more than you needed to know about ignitors (or less, if you're from S.W. Ohio, Winemucca, NV or upstate New York.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Otherstuff/LT%20Scope%20Pictures/LT%20Scope%20Pictures.html

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> MBellar at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:25 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Ignitor question
> 
> 
> Mike;
>  
...............................................................snippety snip....................

> It is possible 
> that the length and intensity of the spark could 
> be  effected by the increased 
> cylinder pressure, but it is not likely that no 
> spark  will occur. ( exceptions 
> include Ohio, KY and everywhere else igniter  
> problems occur.)
>  
> Tom Bellar SW Ohio




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Jun 30 10:29:18 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:29:18 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens! Again
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080630191751.00befd20@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Everyone,
         I must've done something good sometime. Look what's just come my way.

         An old South Bend 13" x 6' lathe will find a spot in my shop in 
the next few days.

         Story and pics here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/sbend/index.htm>


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm




From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jun 30 13:55:48 2008
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:55:48 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question
Message-ID: <ca9.2afb84b0.359aa254@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/29/2008 10:54:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes:

If you  use the primary windings of a car coil, 12v battery, Bat- to earth, + 
to  the coil, to igniter,igniter, and the engine fires up ok, then you have a 
 
weak LT mag/generator


Reg,
 
I use this trick many times, but I have a question concerning this hook  up.  
Some ignitor points are normally open, and some are normally  closed.  The 
ones that are normally closed will burn the points when hooked  to the 
battery/coil because the circuit is closed until it trips.  The ones  that are normally 
open do not burn because the circuit is only closed for an  instant when it 
trips.  So, my question is what determines the normally  open points versus the 
normally closed points?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germaoamer at AOL.com




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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 30 14:54:22 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:54:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question
References: <ca9.2afb84b0.359aa254@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001001c8dafb$dbb7ee50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

  So, my question is what determines the normally  open points versus the
> normally closed points?
> > Tom


If the points are NO ,she is set up for a low tension ignitor and battery .
If they are NC it's set up for a L/T mag .
And like ya said it will cook your coil , run down the battery and blister 
the points if you mix it up



Chuck Balyeat
http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm 



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jun 30 15:05:18 2008
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:05:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question
References: <ca9.2afb84b0.359aa254@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00c901c8dafd$64fccf90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

The igniters that are normally closed run off an LT mag. points normally 
closed stayed cleaner.
Normally open worked ok with battery or mag.
For test purposes, the battery test does no harm.
If you dont want to use a car coil Primary, use a ballast out of a light. I 
run a lot of models on these.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Ignitor question


>
> In a message dated 6/29/2008 10:54:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes:
>
> If you  use the primary windings of a car coil, 12v battery, Bat- to 
> earth, +
> to  the coil, to igniter,igniter, and the engine fires up ok, then you 
> have a
>
> weak LT mag/generator
>
>
> Reg,
>
> I use this trick many times, but I have a question concerning this hook 
> up.
> Some ignitor points are normally open, and some are normally  closed.  The
> ones that are normally closed will burn the points when hooked  to the
> battery/coil because the circuit is closed until it trips.  The ones  that 
> are normally
> open do not burn because the circuit is only closed for an  instant when 
> it
> trips.  So, my question is what determines the normally  open points 
> versus the
> normally closed points?
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germaoamer at AOL.com
>
>
>
>
> **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
> fuel-efficient used cars. 
> (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jun  1 00:05:54 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 08:05:54 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Petter PU8 4kW 110V DC Searchlight Generator
In-Reply-To: <76A00ECF2D864F6D80A5E4B311DE27A2@KerryPC>
References: <6f6025160805311037q1c92f4d7o43db8bbd52c97516@mail.gmail.com>
	<76A00ECF2D864F6D80A5E4B311DE27A2@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806010005s7a8e93a8red81865b9c4277b9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kerry:

Anything in the way of information on the engine would be useful, we'd
be happy to pay for copying and postage, please proceed and let us
know what we owe you.

I'll drop you a mailing address by direct email.

Many thanks!

Peter


On 31/05/2008, Kerry <ozengine at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> G'Day Peter
>
> I have a PU8 motor unit only not fitted with a generator see
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Photos/Petter.JPG
> I have an original manual that I could copy and snail if it will help but
> nothing on the generator.
>
> The story of mine and a second unit a mate got is that a bloke and his
> brother lives in the mountains in a somewhat lost beautiful valley, not hill
> billy stuff and come to town once a week, anyway they had bought the two
> units from army surplus wore one unit out (mine) and still using the other
> with an old 12v car generator tied to the frame and a V belt to the motor
> unit, they then run a 12v cable into their house/shack for lighting, when we
> got the units they bought a Honda motor unit only and again strapped the old
> generator on it as " it works just fine don't need anything else".
>
>
> Kerry
>
>
>> For some inexplicable reason, we bought this bl**dy great lump on ebay
>> this week! :-))
>>
>> No2 son went down to Southampton and collected it in his little
>> Vauxhall Combo van, something that I would have said was not possible,
>> but he got it in there with room and weight to spare.
>>
>> It is nicely original, quirky bits on the engine design, GEC generator
>> and control electrics, pretty much original down to the toolboxes
>> (wooden) on top of the frame and starting handle.
>>
>> The silencer is rusted out, judging by the huge shower of rust when we
>> dropped it out of the back of Philip's van, but apart from a couple of
>> stuck valves, it look as if it hasn't done a lot of work at all.
>>
>> I did take some pictures today but the lighting outside was a bit
>> unusual (sun+cloud) and they came out a bit flat and lacking contrast,
>> so I'll retake them tomorrow with the newer camera.
>>
>> Looking for any info on the unit. Anyone else got one? I seem to
>> remember Kerry having one tucked away somewhere? maybe not a complete
>> genny?
>>
>> Peter
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From avanti_64 at juno.com  Sun Jun  1 04:05:27 2008
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:05:27 GMT
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Re: Harry's Site]
Message-ID: <20080601.070527.20166.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>

Thanks Tom, 

I saw the Deutz Otto and the FM T yesterday that came out of Texas.
Joe Kelley

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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jun  1 06:36:28 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:36:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Re: Harry's Site]
In-Reply-To: <20080601.070527.20166.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20080601.070527.20166.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4842A5DC.7010406@scrtc.com>

Joe,
    Does he have the Deutz running?  That looked like it would be a neat 
engine to watch run but it sure is complicated.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



avanti_64 at juno.com wrote:

>Thanks Tom, 
>
>I saw the Deutz Otto and the FM T yesterday that came out of Texas.
>Joe Kelley
>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jun  1 06:39:51 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:39:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Re: Harry's Site]
Message-ID: <4842A6A7.3070108@scrtc.com>



Here is an update from Harry:
Tommy Turner


This evening at 4:55pm CDT in our H1 data center, electrical gear shorted, 
creating an explosion and fire that knocked down three walls surrounding our 
electrical equipment room. Thankfully, no one was injured. In addition, no 
customer servers were damaged or lost.

We have just been allowed into the building to physically inspect the 
damage. Early indications are that the short was in a high-volume wire 
conduit. We were not allowed to activate our backup generator plan based on 
instructions from the fire department.

This is a significant outage, impacting approximately 9,000 servers and 
7,500 customers. All members of our support team are in, and all vendors who 
supply us with data center equipment are on site. Our initial assessment, 
although early, points to being able to have some service restored by 
mid-afternoon on Sunday. Rest assured we are working around the clock.






From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Jun  1 06:53:16 2008
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 07:53:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Re: Harry's Site]
References: <4842A6A7.3070108@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV12F002500B283D6662E443BBB80@phx.gbl>

Thanks much for the update Tommy !!

RickinMt.


From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Sun Jun  1 10:37:03 2008
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:37:03 +0100
Subject: [SEL] More webpages
Message-ID: <3CACFA3D7DB5437EA2CC8978312BFBBA@FBI>

Hi Folks

I've caught up on my webpages, having now completed the page for a local show we took Arnie to, in the grounds of Belvoir Castle http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/belvoir08/belvoir08.htm I'm afraid it's rather tractor orientated, more specifically, Lanz tractors.  But anyway, the tractors are actually moving!
So now that I'm up to date on my webbing, it just remains for Arnie to get up to date with his trip reports.  He's only six years behind!

Dolly
--
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jun  1 17:21:09 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  1 Jun 2008 20:21:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] National Engine Catalogue
In-Reply-To: <425082.52784.qm@web59211.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <425082.52784.qm@web59211.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1212366069.48433cf5892a8@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Bill,

AddAll Books brought up this one.
http://www.ilab.org/db/detail.php?booknr=340569455&source=addall

Maybe contact the seller and see if its what you're looking for?
Good Luck!!

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting William Young <wmlyoung at yahoo.com>:

> Hello from Japan, especially  to English contingent on the list.
>   Some years ago, one of the lads (perhaps John Palmer ?? ) sent me a 15 x
> 24cm 
>   National Gas Engine Co. Ltd. Catalogue, which I subsequently loaned to a
> buddy (??) for copying.  It was not returned in tact.  I want to get
> another.
>     Inside the front cover is the following info ( which does nor elicit a
> response from Google Search ):  1977 Eng-Trac Publications  ISBN  0  906113 
> 02  4
>                   Copies available from A. Baldry, Leyllandi. Selby Road. 
>                   Holme on Spalding Moor, York
> 
> Can anyone guide me to A. Baldry?  Or another source for copy of National
> Catalogue
>   circa 1902?  Thanks, Bill
>    
>   Bill Young
>   wmlyoung at yahoo.com




From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sun Jun  1 17:21:27 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 17:21:27 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Harry's
Message-ID: <20080602002137.929FB30284D@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Tommy, thanks for the update from Harry. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan, Novato,Ca.

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Jun  1 17:52:22 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun,  1 Jun 2008 20:52:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Petter PU8 4kW 110V DC Searchlight Generator
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160805311037q1c92f4d7o43db8bbd52c97516@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160805311037q1c92f4d7o43db8bbd52c97516@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1212367942.484344463ef78@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Peter,

At this rate you need to start acquiring some vintage lights for a really nifty
"electrical" display with all these gennys.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>:

> For some inexplicable reason, we bought this bl**dy great lump on ebay
> this week! :-))
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320254347153




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Jun  1 20:11:27 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 23:11:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] More webpages
In-Reply-To: <3CACFA3D7DB5437EA2CC8978312BFBBA@FBI>
References: <3CACFA3D7DB5437EA2CC8978312BFBBA@FBI>
Message-ID: <F293BC93-1D41-49DE-AE28-75FAD969ADC0@alltel.net>

Good doG Arnie, You must REALLY be in DEEP DO-DO! There is NO picture  
of you on this page at all!
	Dave


On Jun 1, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Jim French wrote:

> Hi Folks
>
> I've caught up on my webpages, having now completed the page for a  
> local show we took Arnie to, in the grounds of Belvoir Castle  
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/belvoir08/belvoir08.htm I'm  
> afraid it's rather tractor orientated, more specifically, Lanz  
> tractors.  But anyway, the tractors are actually moving!
> So now that I'm up to date on my webbing, it just remains for Arnie  
> to get up to date with his trip reports.  He's only six years behind!
>
> Dolly


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jun  1 20:48:01 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:48:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Harry's Old Engine
Message-ID: <48436D71.1060604@scrtc.com>

Harry's just came back on.  He's on a temporary server so there could be 
a few kinks but its better than the alternative.... no Harry's at all!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jun  2 01:45:10 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:45:10 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Petter PU8 4kW 110V DC Searchlight Generator
In-Reply-To: <1212367942.484344463ef78@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <6f6025160805311037q1c92f4d7o43db8bbd52c97516@mail.gmail.com>
	<1212367942.484344463ef78@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806020145u475ff0d7vb49b0d59d1b9fc82@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/06/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> At this rate you need to start acquiring some vintage lights for a really
> nifty
> "electrical" display with all these gennys.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>

Many years ago, when I was working for the Film & TV industry, we
recovered a searchlight from the front garden of a house in Copthorne,
East Sussex. We had Mole-Richardson 25kW arc lights already, but this
little (4 ft diameter) searchlight was wanted for special effects. I
had know it was there for some years, just didn't need it for my own
use.

Our maintenance guy got the arc mechanism working after a few hours
work and it was kept in use for some years, I don't know what happened
to it after I left the company in 1981.

It was possibly the one to go with this Petters generator.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun  2 07:03:28 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:03:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Re: Harry's Site]
References: <20080601.070527.20166.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
	<4842A5DC.7010406@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c8c4b9$6f54ee50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>


>    Does he have the Deutz running?  That looked like it would be a neat
> engine to watch run but it sure is complicated.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>


Is it Hensarling's  ? I ve shot some serious tennis balls outta that thing .
It sports a  red oxide primer paint job . 



From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Jun  2 08:15:02 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:15:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Harry's Old Engine
In-Reply-To: <48436D71.1060604@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOELLHAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Tommy:

Geez!  I feel about a week younger!

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Judge Tommy
> Turner
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 10:48 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Harry's Old Engine
> 
> 
> Harry's just came back on.  He's on a temporary 
> server so there could be 
> a few kinks but its better than the 
> alternative.... no Harry's at all!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jun  2 07:22:56 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:22:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Re: Harry's Site]
In-Reply-To: <001f01c8c4b9$6f54ee50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
References: <20080601.070527.20166.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>	<4842A5DC.7010406@scrtc.com>
	<001f01c8c4b9$6f54ee50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <48440240.6040309@scrtc.com>

Robert had two of them.  This one has two flywheels as the one you 
mention had one flywheel.  They're certainly neat engines.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>>   Does he have the Deutz running?  That looked like it would be a neat
>>engine to watch run but it sure is complicated.
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, KY
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>Is it Hensarling's  ? I ve shot some serious tennis balls outta that thing .
>It sports a  red oxide primer paint job . 
>
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun  2 07:28:46 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:28:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Harry's / SEL attachments
References: <20080601.070527.20166.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com><4842A5DC.7010406@scrtc.com>
	<001f01c8c4b9$6f54ee50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <005501c8c4bc$f8232e10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

  I ve shot some serious tennis balls outta that thing .
////////////////////////

Yet another instance where a posted pic would would be helpful .
Was the SEL  ban on  pics a technical obstacle , or is it still a netiquitte 
thing
tied to dial up ? The passing years have just about rendered the technical 
part extinct .
Even the kids in school are emailing pics back and forth on their phones now 
.


Chuck 



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun  2 07:41:34 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:41:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Harry's / SEL attachments
In-Reply-To: <005501c8c4bc$f8232e10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
References: <20080601.070527.20166.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com><4842A5DC.7010406@scrtc.com>
	<001f01c8c4b9$6f54ee50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<005501c8c4bc$f8232e10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <D763F392-72A8-42A7-86D1-48BBC32BAB30@rustyiron.com>


On Jun 2, 2008, at 7:28 AM, Chuck Balyeat wrote:

> Yet another instance where a posted pic would would be helpful .
> Was the SEL  ban on  pics a technical obstacle , or is it still a  
> netiquitte
> thing
> tied to dial up ? The passing years have just about rendered the  
> technical
> part extinct .
> Even the kids in school are emailing pics back and forth on their  
> phones now


That's very true, Chuck, but you are sadly mistaken if you
think you are going to change the status quo with mere logic.














From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jun  2 08:18:45 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 16:18:45 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Harry's / SEL attachments
In-Reply-To: <005501c8c4bc$f8232e10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
References: <20080601.070527.20166.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
	<4842A5DC.7010406@scrtc.com>
	<001f01c8c4b9$6f54ee50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<005501c8c4bc$f8232e10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806020818l5a06e81dnfce859c4ac68c84c@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/06/2008, Chuck Balyeat <kerogas at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>   I ve shot some serious tennis balls outta that thing .
> ////////////////////////
>
> Yet another instance where a posted pic would would be helpful .
> Was the SEL  ban on  pics a technical obstacle , or is it still a netiquitte
> thing
> tied to dial up ? The passing years have just about rendered the technical
> part extinct .
> Even the kids in school are emailing pics back and forth on their phones now
>
> Chuck

It has a lot to do with hosting space etc and software to run it all.
The forum that Spencer set up has that facility if I remember
correctly, the email list doesn't.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jun  2 08:58:37 2008
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:58:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Harry's / SEL attachments
In-Reply-To: <D763F392-72A8-42A7-86D1-48BBC32BAB30@rustyiron.com>
References: <20080601.070527.20166.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com><4842A5DC.7010406@scrtc.com>
	<001f01c8c4b9$6f54ee50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<005501c8c4bc$f8232e10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<D763F392-72A8-42A7-86D1-48BBC32BAB30@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <1166.165.206.180.192.1212422317.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Do like we do with the AMCFORUM.COM - use a FREE web photo host and put a
link to the pics in the message. Then those interested can follow the
link, those not interested don't get the added size.
Although our forum can self-host, it's still a space issue when you get
nearly 1,000 forum members all wanting to post photos...... so we still
recommend one of the many free photo hosts.
the best of both worlds, and you don't kill the still large number of
folks stuck on dial-up because this country (USA) is so far behind
web-technology-wise.

Bill


>
> On Jun 2, 2008, at 7:28 AM, Chuck Balyeat wrote:
>
>> Yet another instance where a posted pic would would be helpful .
>> Was the SEL  ban on  pics a technical obstacle , or is it still a
>> netiquitte
>> thing
>> tied to dial up ? The passing years have just about rendered the
>> technical
>> part extinct .
>> Even the kids in school are emailing pics back and forth on their
>> phones now
>
>
> That's very true, Chuck, but you are sadly mistaken if you
> think you are going to change the status quo with mere logic.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jun  2 08:58:58 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 16:58:58 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Petter PU8 4kW 110V DC Searchlight Generator
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160806020145u475ff0d7vb49b0d59d1b9fc82@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160805311037q1c92f4d7o43db8bbd52c97516@mail.gmail.com>
	<1212367942.484344463ef78@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6f6025160806020145u475ff0d7vb49b0d59d1b9fc82@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806020858m632409cchba43780c38076995@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/06/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 02/06/2008, fero_ah at city-net.com <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> At this rate you need to start acquiring some vintage lights for a really
>> nifty
>> "electrical" display with all these gennys.
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>
> Many years ago, when I was working for the Film & TV industry, we
> recovered a searchlight from the front garden of a house in Copthorne,
> East Sussex.

I spoke with an old acquaintance who was actually in the truck with me
when we collected that searchlight. He remembers it well, and through
another contact discovered that its whereabouts was known up until a
couple of years ago, and there is the faint possibility that it might
still be extant in a scrappie in east London.

Now THAT would look good at Portland in the evenings!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From kosh at ncweb.com  Mon Jun  2 09:18:31 2008
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:18:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Harry's / SEL attachments
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160806020818l5a06e81dnfce859c4ac68c84c@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <005501c8c4bc$f8232e10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<20080601.070527.20166.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
	<4842A5DC.7010406@scrtc.com>
	<001f01c8c4b9$6f54ee50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<005501c8c4bc$f8232e10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20080602121002.03c32008@ncweb.com>

A big part of it is that a surprising number of rural users are still on 
dialup,
especially real farmers in the US (ie FATG's). The US is a much bigger
piece of real estate than you might imagine, no telling how soon everyone
will have high speed coverage.

There are so many ways to host pix on the web these days that the
restriction shouldn't be a problem. I set up my own web site(s) many
years ago, so I don't have to apologize for popups and obscene ads,
and pix load faster w/o all the ads, but there are many other commercial
sites that aren't too bad.

Dave Merchant
www.nesys.com
www.nesys.org
SteamCrane on YouTube


At 11:18 AM 6/2/2008, you wrote:
>On 02/06/2008, Chuck Balyeat <kerogas at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >   I ve shot some serious tennis balls outta that thing .
> > ////////////////////////
> >
> > Yet another instance where a posted pic would would be helpful .
> > Was the SEL  ban on  pics a technical obstacle , or is it still a 
> netiquitte
> > thing
> > tied to dial up ? The passing years have just about rendered the technical
> > part extinct .
> > Even the kids in school are emailing pics back and forth on their 
> phones now
> >
> > Chuck
>
>It has a lot to do with hosting space etc and software to run it all.
>The forum that Spencer set up has that facility if I remember
>correctly, the email list doesn't.
>
>Peter
>--
>Peter A Forbes
>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>http://stationary-engine.co.uk
>http://www.oldengine.co.uk
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Dave Merchant
kosh at nesys.com
nesys_com at ameritech.net

http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org




From curt at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun  2 10:02:49 2008
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:02:49 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
Message-ID: <37791.168.215.206.73.1212426169.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Guys,
Could use a little help ID'ing an engine. I believe it is a Carl Anderson
engine made in Chicago from perusing the BYB.

If anyone has one please contact me as I need some information to get it
running.
Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

<http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/CarlAnderson/Thumbnails.html>



From bill at antique-engines.com  Mon Jun  2 10:05:08 2008
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:05:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Harry's / SEL attachments
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20080602121002.03c32008@ncweb.com>
References: <005501c8c4bc$f8232e10$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<20080601.070527.20166.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
	<4842A5DC.7010406@scrtc.com>
	<001f01c8c4b9$6f54ee50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20080602121002.03c32008@ncweb.com>
Message-ID: <1191.12.223.26.26.1212426308.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

"rural" doesn't mean farm, either.
We're "rural Polk County" and because we are over 3 miles from a switch,
no DSL, and cable isn't out here yet(shock due to the high-dollar homes
going in around here and all the development) we had to spring for
satellite.
Well, it's a compromise at best and costs some real $$ which most folks
just can't do. In fact, we may have to seriously reconsider within the 30
day MBG period. 300 for equipment AFTER rebate, and 60 bucks a month for
speeds that DSL beats hands-down. Plus if there's rain near, you lose it.

My son in Korea tells me that the U.S. is behind much of the world in
"connectivity" and that's a fact based on studies I've seen.
So these webmasters that seem to believe everyone should or does have
several T3 lines into their homes, or that since THEY have 50 meg fiber
everyone else must, too and are to arrogant to see beyond the ends of
their noses are hurting the main U.S. web user.
Most web masters are a bit naive and arrogant - doubt it? Look at the
number of unoptimized photos, and flash based web sites (flash can be a
serious security risk on Windows not to mention a processor load)
They are computer people, not people people, so know little about the real
world outside of their little cubical.
Some pages on a few of the major network sites - CBS, NBC, etc,I found
totally unusable on dial-up. I simply could not get a page to load inside
of 2 or 3 minutes, some never did fully.

So IMO, use the simple solution - use a photo host and post a link.

Bill

> A big part of it is that a surprising number of rural users are still on
> dialup,
> especially real farmers in the US (ie FATG's). The US is a much bigger
> piece of real estate than you might imagine, no telling how soon everyone
> will have high speed coverage.
>
> There are so many ways to host pix on the web these days that the
> restriction shouldn't be a problem. I set up my own web site(s) many
> years ago, so I don't have to apologize for popups and obscene ads,
> and pix load faster w/o all the ads, but there are many other commercial
> sites that aren't too bad.
>
> Dave Merchant
> www.nesys.com
> www.nesys.org
> SteamCrane on YouTube
>
>
> At 11:18 AM 6/2/2008, you wrote:
>>On 02/06/2008, Chuck Balyeat <kerogas at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >   I ve shot some serious tennis balls outta that thing .
>> > ////////////////////////
>> >
>> > Yet another instance where a posted pic would would be helpful .
>> > Was the SEL  ban on  pics a technical obstacle , or is it still a
>> netiquitte
>> > thing
>> > tied to dial up ? The passing years have just about rendered the
>> technical
>> > part extinct .
>> > Even the kids in school are emailing pics back and forth on their
>> phones now
>> >
>> > Chuck
>>
>>It has a lot to do with hosting space etc and software to run it all.
>>The forum that Spencer set up has that facility if I remember
>>correctly, the email list doesn't.
>>
>>Peter
>>--
>>Peter A Forbes
>>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>>http://stationary-engine.co.uk
>>http://www.oldengine.co.uk
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> kosh at nesys.com
> nesys_com at ameritech.net
>
> http://www.nesys.com
> http://www.nesys.org
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jun  2 10:28:23 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:28:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <37791.168.215.206.73.1212426169.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <37791.168.215.206.73.1212426169.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <48442DB7.4070300@scrtc.com>

Yeah Curt, sure looks like it to me.  The skip mechanism works similar 
to that on a McVicker or St. Marys engine.  When it hits, pressure 
throws the small plunger on the side out and causes the skip mechanism 
to engage.  At least, I think that's how it worked!  Neat old piece of 
iron.  Give us some history as it looks like its still belted up to a saw.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Guys,
>Could use a little help ID'ing an engine. I believe it is a Carl Anderson
>engine made in Chicago from perusing the BYB.
>
>If anyone has one please contact me as I need some information to get it
>running.
>Thanks,
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>
><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/CarlAnderson/Thumbnails.html>
>
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>
>  
>



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Mon Jun  2 11:52:45 2008
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:52:45 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <37791.168.215.206.73.1212426169.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <37791.168.215.206.73.1212426169.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <C55DE816-0187-468D-AFAA-11857D260FD1@herculesengines.com>

Great looking engine Curt.  Does it now reside in your stable?
Keith


On Jun 2, 2008, at 1:02 PM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:

> Guys,
> Could use a little help ID'ing an engine. I believe it is a Carl  
> Anderson
> engine made in Chicago from perusing the BYB.
>
> If anyone has one please contact me as I need some information to  
> get it
> running.
> Thanks,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/CarlAnderson/Thumbnails.html 
> >
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  2 12:07:11 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:07:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Harry's Old Engine
In-Reply-To: <48436D71.1060604@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <199160.77076.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

A few kinks is right,,,
I keep getting this message when I click on links.

---No Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator---

One topic I was reading gave me that when I clicked on page two then when I backed out of it I
went all the way back to the list of topics in that forum and noticed the last six to eight topics
had all disappeared.   They were just gone,,,,

If I notified the administrator every time I got that message he would be swamped.

Alan

--- Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:

> Harry's just came back on.  He's on a temporary server so there could be 
> a few kinks but its better than the alternative.... no Harry's at all!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Jun  2 13:43:14 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 15:43:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <37791.168.215.206.73.1212426169.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEMCHAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Kurt:

That is an odd duck of an engine.  I assume it is 4-cycle but if it's only got ported exhaust, how does that work?

If the exhaust(?) cam turns at crankshaft speed, how can it be a 4-cycle?  I didn't see anything like a 2-to-1 gizmo on the pushrod.

How does the governor work?  Is it hit and miss or volume governed?

Lotsa questions!  Great oddball engine.  I hope it's in your shed.  If you want to get rid of it, I'll give you scrap price for it if you'll help load it into my trailer.  Nyuk, nyuk!

Take care - Elden
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> curt at rustyiron.com
> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:03 PM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 
> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
> 
> 
> Guys,
> Could use a little help ID'ing an engine. I 
> believe it is a Carl Anderson
> engine made in Chicago from perusing the BYB.
> 
> If anyone has one please contact me as I need 
> some information to get it
> running.
> Thanks,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> 
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/C
arlAnderson/Thumbnails.html>

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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jun  2 13:06:37 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:06:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEMCHAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEMCHAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <484452CD.4000100@scrtc.com>

Elden,
    Kurt needs to answer this for sure but I think the 4 cycle mechanism 
works similar to that on a McVicker (at least the same principle).  The 
engine fires and the explosive pressure causes the small shaft 
(connected to some sort of internal piston) to "kick out".  This engages 
a latch that causes the push rod to engage with the exhaust valve.  
Where this engine appears to be different than a McVicker is that is has 
linkage connecting the gov to the carb.  On a McVicker the gov pulls the 
electrical connection away from the timer causing the engine to miss.  
But, its missing under compression.  During the miss cycle the cylinder 
is constantly compressing the fuel, then backs off compression as the 
piston travels toward the rear of the cylinder.  As long as you don't 
have any blow by (or very minimal) this system works good.  If you have 
blow by then the piston will, on each back stroke, suck in a little 
fuel.  Then when the governor allows the electrical connection it fires 
but floods.  The Carl Anderson has to work on a bit different 
principle.  Possibly the gov system totally cuts off the fuel in some 
way and it would be interesting to tear that baby apart and figure it 
out.  Curt can do it though, I've got faith in him!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Kurt:
>
>That is an odd duck of an engine.  I assume it is 4-cycle but if it's only got ported exhaust, how does that work?
>
>If the exhaust(?) cam turns at crankshaft speed, how can it be a 4-cycle?  I didn't see anything like a 2-to-1 gizmo on the pushrod.
>
>How does the governor work?  Is it hit and miss or volume governed?
>
>Lotsa questions!  Great oddball engine.  I hope it's in your shed.  If you want to get rid of it, I'll give you scrap price for it if you'll help load it into my trailer.  Nyuk, nyuk!
>
>Take care - Elden
> 
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>> Behalf Of
>>curt at rustyiron.com
>>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:03 PM
>>To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; 
>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
>>
>>
>>Guys,
>>Could use a little help ID'ing an engine. I 
>>believe it is a Carl Anderson
>>engine made in Chicago from perusing the BYB.
>>
>>If anyone has one please contact me as I need 
>>some information to get it
>>running.
>>Thanks,
>>Curt Holland
>>Gastonia, NC
>>
>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/C
>>    
>>
>arlAnderson/Thumbnails.html>
>
>
>  
>



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jun  2 13:38:56 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:38:56 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Harry's Old Engine
In-Reply-To: <199160.77076.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <48436D71.1060604@scrtc.com>
	<199160.77076.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806021338u44bb1df6s7e0a39165952e47@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/06/2008, Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> A few kinks is right,,,
> I keep getting this message when I click on links.
>
> ---No Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the
> administrator---
>
> One topic I was reading gave me that when I clicked on page two then when I
> backed out of it I
> went all the way back to the list of topics in that forum and noticed the
> last six to eight topics
> had all disappeared.   They were just gone,,,,
>
> If I notified the administrator every time I got that message he would be
> swamped.
>
> Alan
>

If you look at the heading of each section, you'll notice an
"Announcement" header.

Harry is running on an old backup until he can get back to full
operation, and ALL sections are now READ-ONLY until the system is
restored. What you are seeing is an old snapshop/backup of the site.
Text of that header follows:

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This is a temporary replacement server that may become permanent.

I have brought up another web server in the Dallas data center. A one
week old database has been restored from May24th. If we can wait a few
hours more, I might be able to get to the database in the old server
and have a full recovery. Still testing and pondering the situation.
Your patience is appreciated. -- Harry

The chat room is open: http://www.smokstak.com/forum/chat/flashchat.php

All forums except TEST are READ ONLY.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From curt at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun  3 06:49:20 2008
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:49:20 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <484452CD.4000100@scrtc.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEMCHAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<484452CD.4000100@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <11336.168.215.206.73.1212500960.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Tommy, Elden,
Odd duck is right! I initially thought this was a 2 cycle engine because
of what looked like ported exhaust, and the fact that every time the
piston heads toward TDC it is on compression. Makes sense eh? But I found
the engine in the BYB and it claims it is a 4 cycle engine with a "special
mechanism that allowed skipping of the exhaust valve push rod.

I'm trying to get the patents to load on my computer, but am having
problems with viewing them. I'm getting only partial views at the moment,
so I've got a computer issue to muddle thru before learning more.
Patent number is 740,571 if you'd like to have a look. If someone happens
to get the tif's to download in completion, I'd appreciate an offlist
email with the tif's attached, so I can read them. I think there are 8
pages.

Currently the engine is belted to a large 3 phase motor and that's how it
is rotated and made to fire on occasion. Turn the power off and the poor
engine barely chuffs and can't produce enough power to even sustain
itself, so there is much to do to get it running well and making decent
power.

As to the governor linkage, it leads me to believe it is a throttle
governed engine. That's fairly unusual too considering the year of
manufacture was 1902/3.
Curt



> Elden,
>     Kurt needs to answer this for sure but I think the 4 cycle mechanism
> works similar to that on a McVicker (at least the same principle).  The
> engine fires and the explosive pressure causes the small shaft
> (connected to some sort of internal piston) to "kick out".  This engages
> a latch that causes the push rod to engage with the exhaust valve.
> Where this engine appears to be different than a McVicker is that is has
> linkage connecting the gov to the carb.  On a McVicker the gov pulls the
> electrical connection away from the timer causing the engine to miss.
> But, its missing under compression.  During the miss cycle the cylinder
> is constantly compressing the fuel, then backs off compression as the
> piston travels toward the rear of the cylinder.  As long as you don't
> have any blow by (or very minimal) this system works good.  If you have
> blow by then the piston will, on each back stroke, suck in a little
> fuel.  Then when the governor allows the electrical connection it fires
> but floods.  The Carl Anderson has to work on a bit different
> principle.  Possibly the gov system totally cuts off the fuel in some
> way and it would be interesting to tear that baby apart and figure it
> out.  Curt can do it though, I've got faith in him!
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>>Kurt:
>>
>>That is an odd duck of an engine.  I assume it is 4-cycle but if it's
>> only got ported exhaust, how does that work?
>>
>>If the exhaust(?) cam turns at crankshaft speed, how can it be a 4-cycle?
>>  I didn't see anything like a 2-to-1 gizmo on the pushrod.
>>
>>How does the governor work?  Is it hit and miss or volume governed?
>>
>>Lotsa questions!  Great oddball engine.  I hope it's in your shed.  If
>> you want to get rid of it, I'll give you scrap price for it if you'll
>> help load it into my trailer.  Nyuk, nyuk!
>>
>>Take care - Elden
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>>> Behalf Of
>>>curt at rustyiron.com
>>>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:03 PM
>>>To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org;
>>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
>>>
>>>
>>>Guys,
>>>Could use a little help ID'ing an engine. I
>>>believe it is a Carl Anderson
>>>engine made in Chicago from perusing the BYB.
>>>
>>>If anyone has one please contact me as I need
>>>some information to get it
>>>running.
>>>Thanks,
>>>Curt Holland
>>>Gastonia, NC
>>>
>>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/C
>>>
>>>
>>arlAnderson/Thumbnails.html>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun  3 07:31:44 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue,  3 Jun 2008 10:31:44 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <11336.168.215.206.73.1212500960.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEMCHAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<484452CD.4000100@scrtc.com>
	<11336.168.215.206.73.1212500960.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <1212503504.484555d032b9c@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Curt,

Have you installed the free AlternaTiff plug-in?  It makes the TIFF files from
the USPTO readily viewable & able to be saved.
http://www.uspto.gov/web/menu/plugins/tiff.htm

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting curt at rustyiron.com:

> I'm trying to get the patents to load on my computer, but am having
> problems with viewing them. I'm getting only partial views at the moment,
> so I've got a computer issue to muddle thru before learning more.
> Patent number is 740,571 if you'd like to have a look. If someone happens
> to get the tif's to download in completion, I'd appreciate an offlist
> email with the tif's attached, so I can read them. I think there are 8
> pages.




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  3 08:16:07 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:16:07 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <11336.168.215.206.73.1212500960.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEMCHAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
	<484452CD.4000100@scrtc.com> 
	<11336.168.215.206.73.1212500960.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <BAY144-W53ED05A88124288DC0F05095BA0@phx.gbl>


Curt if that thing is anything like the McVicker engine, everything has to be perfect for it to be able to run. Leaking valves, ignitor,rings, dirty contacts on the governor, improper fuel setting, the slightest thing will stop it dead. Since it HAS to hit a big lick to actuate the small piston and carry the big piston through compression continuously everything has to be perfect  to keep it going!  When mine stops at the show you have to go down the list and see what just isn't right any longer. Most of our old hit and miss engines are very forgiving and will run now matter how badly they are worn or timed but when you have one idling against compression and the compression is performing other duties like opening valves and other pistons.... look out!            I'm sure you'll get it running soon though knowing you. When do we get to see it?  Steve> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:49:20 -0600> From: curt at rustyiron.com> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.> > Tommy, Elden,> Odd duck is right! I initially thought this was a 2 cycle engine because> of what looked like ported exhaust, and the fact that every time the> piston heads toward TDC it is on compression. Makes sense eh? But I found> the engine in the BYB and it claims it is a 4 cycle engine with a "special> mechanism that allowed skipping of the exhaust valve push rod.> > I'm trying to get the patents to load on my computer, but am having> problems with viewing them. I'm getting only partial views at the moment,> so I've got a computer issue to muddle thru before learning more.> Patent number is 740,571 if you'd like to have a look. If someone happens> to get the tif's to download in completion, I'd appreciate an offlist> email with the tif's attached, so I can read them. I think there are 8> pages.> > Currently the engine is belted to a large 3 phase motor and that's how it> is rotated and made to fire on occasion. Turn the power off and the poor> engine barely chuffs and can't produce enough power to even sustain> itself, so there is much to do to get it running well and making decent> power.> > As to the governor linkage, it leads me to believe it is a throttle> governed engine. That's fairly unusual too considering the year of> manufacture was 1902/3.> Curt> > > > > Elden,> > Kurt needs to answer this for sure but I think the 4 cycle mechanism> > works similar to that on a McVicker (at least the same principle). The> > engine fires and the explosive pressure causes the small shaft> > (connected to some sort of internal piston) to "kick out". This engages> > a latch that causes the push rod to engage with the exhaust valve.> > Where this engine appears to be different than a McVicker is that is has> > linkage connecting the gov to the carb. On a McVicker the gov pulls the> > electrical connection away from the timer causing the engine to miss.> > But, its missing under compression. During the miss cycle the cylinder> > is constantly compressing the fuel, then backs off compression as the> > piston travels toward the rear of the cylinder. As long as you don't> > have any blow by (or very minimal) this system works good. If you have> > blow by then the piston will, on each back stroke, suck in a little> > fuel. Then when the governor allows the electrical connection it fires> > but floods. The Carl Anderson has to work on a bit different> > principle. Possibly the gov system totally cuts off the fuel in some> > way and it would be interesting to tear that baby apart and figure it> > out. Curt can do it though, I've got faith in him!> >> > Tommy Turner> > Magnolia, KY> >> >> >>Kurt:> >>> >>That is an odd duck of an engine. I assume it is 4-cycle but if it's> >> only got ported exhaust, how does that work?> >>> >>If the exhaust(?) cam turns at crankshaft speed, how can it be a 4-cycle?> >> I didn't see anything like a 2-to-1 gizmo on the pushrod.> >>> >>How does the governor work? Is it hit and miss or volume governed?> >>> >>Lotsa questions! Great oddball engine. I hope it's in your shed. If> >> you want to get rid of it, I'll give you scrap price for it if you'll> >> help load it into my trailer. Nyuk, nyuk!> >>> >>Take care - Elden> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message-----> >>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> >>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On> >>> Behalf Of> >>>curt at rustyiron.com> >>>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:03 PM> >>>To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org;> >>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> >>>Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.> >>>> >>>> >>>Guys,> >>>Could use a little help ID'ing an engine. I> >>>believe it is a Carl Anderson> >>>engine made in Chicago from perusing the BYB.> >>>> >>>If anyone has one please contact me as I need> >>>some information to get it> >>>running.> >>>Thanks,> >>>Curt Holland> >>>Gastonia, NC> >>>> >>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/C> >>>> >>>> >>arlAnderson/Thumbnails.html>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________> > SEL mailing list> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel> >> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  3 09:21:30 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:21:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <11336.168.215.206.73.1212500960.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <516933.67157.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Curt,
Have you iried Google patents?
http://www.google.com/patents

Just type in your number and go.

HTH,  Alan

--- curt at rustyiron.com wrote:

> Tommy, Elden,
> Odd duck is right! I initially thought this was a 2 cycle engine because
> of what looked like ported exhaust, and the fact that every time the
> piston heads toward TDC it is on compression. Makes sense eh? But I found
> the engine in the BYB and it claims it is a 4 cycle engine with a "special
> mechanism that allowed skipping of the exhaust valve push rod.
> 
> I'm trying to get the patents to load on my computer, but am having
> problems with viewing them. I'm getting only partial views at the moment,
> so I've got a computer issue to muddle thru before learning more.
> Patent number is 740,571 if you'd like to have a look. If someone happens
> to get the tif's to download in completion, I'd appreciate an offlist
> email with the tif's attached, so I can read them. I think there are 8
> pages.
> 
> Currently the engine is belted to a large 3 phase motor and that's how it
> is rotated and made to fire on occasion. Turn the power off and the poor
> engine barely chuffs and can't produce enough power to even sustain
> itself, so there is much to do to get it running well and making decent
> power.
> 
> As to the governor linkage, it leads me to believe it is a throttle
> governed engine. That's fairly unusual too considering the year of
> manufacture was 1902/3.
> Curt
> 
> 
> 
> > Elden,
> >     Kurt needs to answer this for sure but I think the 4 cycle mechanism
> > works similar to that on a McVicker (at least the same principle).  The
> > engine fires and the explosive pressure causes the small shaft
> > (connected to some sort of internal piston) to "kick out".  This engages
> > a latch that causes the push rod to engage with the exhaust valve.
> > Where this engine appears to be different than a McVicker is that is has
> > linkage connecting the gov to the carb.  On a McVicker the gov pulls the
> > electrical connection away from the timer causing the engine to miss.
> > But, its missing under compression.  During the miss cycle the cylinder
> > is constantly compressing the fuel, then backs off compression as the
> > piston travels toward the rear of the cylinder.  As long as you don't
> > have any blow by (or very minimal) this system works good.  If you have
> > blow by then the piston will, on each back stroke, suck in a little
> > fuel.  Then when the governor allows the electrical connection it fires
> > but floods.  The Carl Anderson has to work on a bit different
> > principle.  Possibly the gov system totally cuts off the fuel in some
> > way and it would be interesting to tear that baby apart and figure it
> > out.  Curt can do it though, I've got faith in him!
> >
> > Tommy Turner
> > Magnolia, KY
> >
> >
> >>Kurt:
> >>
> >>That is an odd duck of an engine.  I assume it is 4-cycle but if it's
> >> only got ported exhaust, how does that work?
> >>
> >>If the exhaust(?) cam turns at crankshaft speed, how can it be a 4-cycle?
> >>  I didn't see anything like a 2-to-1 gizmo on the pushrod.
> >>
> >>How does the governor work?  Is it hit and miss or volume governed?
> >>
> >>Lotsa questions!  Great oddball engine.  I hope it's in your shed.  If
> >> you want to get rid of it, I'll give you scrap price for it if you'll
> >> help load it into my trailer.  Nyuk, nyuk!
> >>
> >>Take care - Elden
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
> >>> Behalf Of
> >>>curt at rustyiron.com
> >>>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:03 PM
> >>>To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org;
> >>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Guys,
> >>>Could use a little help ID'ing an engine. I
> >>>believe it is a Carl Anderson
> >>>engine made in Chicago from perusing the BYB.
> >>>
> >>>If anyone has one please contact me as I need
> >>>some information to get it
> >>>running.
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>Curt Holland
> >>>Gastonia, NC
> >>>
> >>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/C
> >>>
> >>>
> >>arlAnderson/Thumbnails.html>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Jun  3 10:28:27 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:28:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <11336.168.215.206.73.1212500960.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAENAHAAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Curt:

Try this link:

http://patimg2.uspto.gov/.piw?docid=US000740571&SectionNum=1&IDKey=A0CBB3ABBB1A&HomeUrl=http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1%2526Sect2=HITOFF%2526d=PALL%2526p=1%2526u=%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsrchnum.htm%2526r=1%2526f=G%2526l=50%2526s1=0740,571.PN.%2526OS=PN/0740,571%2526RS=PN/0740,571

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> curt at rustyiron.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 08:49 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
> 
> 
> Tommy, Elden,
> Odd duck is right! I initially thought this was a 
> 2 cycle engine because
> of what looked like ported exhaust, and the fact 
> that every time the
> piston heads toward TDC it is on compression. 
> Makes sense eh? But I found
> the engine in the BYB and it claims it is a 4 
> cycle engine with a "special
> mechanism that allowed skipping of the exhaust 
> valve push rod.
> 
> I'm trying to get the patents to load on my 
> computer, but am having
> problems with viewing them. I'm getting only 
> partial views at the moment,
> so I've got a computer issue to muddle thru 
> before learning more.
> Patent number is 740,571 if you'd like to have a 
> look. If someone happens
> to get the tif's to download in completion, I'd 
> appreciate an offlist
> email with the tif's attached, so I can read 
> them. I think there are 8
> pages.
> 
> Currently the engine is belted to a large 3 phase 
> motor and that's how it
> is rotated and made to fire on occasion. Turn the 
> power off and the poor
> engine barely chuffs and can't produce enough 
> power to even sustain
> itself, so there is much to do to get it running 
> well and making decent
> power.
> 
> As to the governor linkage, it leads me to 
> believe it is a throttle
> governed engine. That's fairly unusual too 
> considering the year of
> manufacture was 1902/3.
> Curt




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Jun  3 15:30:05 2008
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:30:05 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
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Curt:

  Steve is so right about the issues on that engine that keep it going.  I 
am sure he will be wanting to pay for my rotator cuff surgery for the 
countless hours I spent pulling that McVickers through, while Steve "tuned" 
it !!!!

Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.



Curt if that thing is anything like the McVicker engine, everything has to 
be perfect for it to be able to run. Leaking valves, ignitor,rings, dirty 
contacts on the governor, improper fuel setting, the slightest thing will 
stop it dead. Since it HAS to hit a big lick to actuate the small piston and 
carry the big piston through compression continuously everything has to be 
perfect  to keep it going!  When mine stops at the show you have to go down 
the list and see what just isn't right any longer. Most of our old hit and 
miss engines are very forgiving and will run now matter how badly they are 
worn or timed but when you have one idling against compression and the 
compression is performing other duties like opening valves and other 
pistons.... look out!            I'm sure you'll get it running soon though 
knowing you. When do we get to see it?  Steve> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 
07:49:20 -0600> From: curt at rustyiron.com> To: 
sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.> > 
Tommy, Elden,> Odd duck is right! I initially thought this was a 2 cycle 
engine because> of what looked like ported exhaust, and the fact that every 
time the> piston heads toward TDC it is on compression. Makes sense eh? But 
I found> the engine in the BYB and it claims it is a 4 cycle engine with a 
"special> mechanism that allowed skipping of the exhaust valve push rod.> > 
I'm trying to get the patents to load on my computer, but am having> 
problems with viewing them. I'm getting only partial views at the moment,> 
so I've got a computer issue to muddle thru before learning more.> Patent 
number is 740,571 if you'd like to have a look. If someone happens> to get 
the tif's to download in completion, I'd appreciate an offlist> email with 
the tif's attached, so I can read them. I think there are 8> pages.> > 
Currently the engine is belted to a large 3 phase motor and that's how it> 
is rotated and made to fire on occasion. Turn the power off and the poor> 
engine barely chuffs and can't produce enough power to even sustain> itself, 
so there is much to do to get it running well and making decent> power.> > 
As to the governor linkage, it leads me to believe it is a throttle> 
governed engine. That's fairly unusual too considering the year of> 
manufacture was 1902/3.> Curt> > > > > Elden,> > Kurt needs to answer this 
for sure but I think the 4 cycle mechanism> > works similar to that on a 
McVicker (at least the same principle). The> > engine fires and the 
explosive pressure causes the small shaft> > (connected to some sort of 
internal piston) to "kick out". This engages> > a latch that causes the push 
rod to engage with the exhaust valve.> > Where this engine appears to be 
different than a McVicker is that is has> > linkage connecting the gov to 
the carb. On a McVicker the gov pulls the> > electrical connection away from 
the timer causing the engine to miss.> > But, its missing under compression. 
During the miss cycle the cylinder> > is constantly compressing the fuel, 
then backs off compression as the> > piston travels toward the rear of the 
cylinder. As long as you don't> > have any blow by (or very minimal) this 
system works good. If you have> > blow by then the piston will, on each back 
stroke, suck in a little> > fuel. Then when the governor allows the 
electrical connection it fires> > but floods. The Carl Anderson has to work 
on a bit different> > principle. Possibly the gov system totally cuts off 
the fuel in some> > way and it would be interesting to tear that baby apart 
and figure it> > out. Curt can do it though, I've got faith in him!> >> > 
Tommy Turner> > Magnolia, KY> >> >> >>Kurt:> >>> >>That is an odd duck of an 
engine. I assume it is 4-cycle but if it's> >> only got ported exhaust, how 
does that work?> >>> >>If the exhaust(?) cam turns at crankshaft speed, how 
can it be a 4-cycle?> >> I didn't see anything like a 2-to-1 gizmo on the 
pushrod.> >>> >>How does the governor work? Is it hit and miss or volume 
governed?> >>> >>Lotsa questions! Great oddball engine. I hope it's in your 
shed. If> >> you want to get rid of it, I'll give you scrap price for it if 
you'll> >> help load it into my trailer. Nyuk, nyuk!> >>> >>Take care - 
Elden> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message-----> >>>From: 
sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
 >>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On> >>> Behalf Of> 
 >>>curt at rustyiron.com> >>>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:03 PM> >>>To: 
stationary-engine at oldengine.org;> >>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
 >>>Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.> >>>> >>>> >>>Guys,> >>>Could use a 
little help ID'ing an engine. I> >>>believe it is a Carl Anderson> >>>engine 
made in Chicago from perusing the BYB.> >>>> >>>If anyone has one please 
contact me as I need> >>>some information to get it> >>>running.> 
 >>>Thanks,> >>>Curt Holland> >>>Gastonia, NC> >>>> 
 >>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/C> >>>> >>>> 
 >>arlAnderson/Thumbnails.html>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > 
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Jun  3 19:20:21 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:20:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <001001c8de25$929ae4c0$726f4b47@mikecomp>
References: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBGEMCHAAA.edurand@mchsi.com><484452CD.4000100@scrtc.com>	<11336.168.215.206.73.1212500960.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>	<BAY144-W53ED05A88124288DC0F05095BA0@phx.gbl>
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Mike,
    When I sold it to Steve I told him it was one of the cutest little 
engines to look at that I've ever seen (and it is).  But, I never said 
anything about it running!.  I'm glad he's got you to crank for him!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Mike Royster wrote:

>Curt:
>
>  Steve is so right about the issues on that engine that keep it going.  I 
>am sure he will be wanting to pay for my rotator cuff surgery for the 
>countless hours I spent pulling that McVickers through, while Steve "tuned" 
>it !!!!
>
>Mike
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:16 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
>
>
>
>Curt if that thing is anything like the McVicker engine, everything has to 
>be perfect for it to be able to run. Leaking valves, ignitor,rings, dirty 
>contacts on the governor, improper fuel setting, the slightest thing will 
>stop it dead. Since it HAS to hit a big lick to actuate the small piston and 
>carry the big piston through compression continuously everything has to be 
>perfect  to keep it going!  When mine stops at the show you have to go down 
>the list and see what just isn't right any longer. Most of our old hit and 
>miss engines are very forgiving and will run now matter how badly they are 
>worn or timed but when you have one idling against compression and the 
>compression is performing other duties like opening valves and other 
>pistons.... look out!            I'm sure you'll get it running soon though 
>knowing you. When do we get to see it?  Steve> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 
>07:49:20 -0600> From: curt at rustyiron.com> To: 
>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.> > 
>Tommy, Elden,> Odd duck is right! I initially thought this was a 2 cycle 
>engine because> of what looked like ported exhaust, and the fact that every 
>time the> piston heads toward TDC it is on compression. Makes sense eh? But 
>I found> the engine in the BYB and it claims it is a 4 cycle engine with a 
>"special> mechanism that allowed skipping of the exhaust valve push rod.> > 
>I'm trying to get the patents to load on my computer, but am having> 
>problems with viewing them. I'm getting only partial views at the moment,> 
>so I've got a computer issue to muddle thru before learning more.> Patent 
>number is 740,571 if you'd like to have a look. If someone happens> to get 
>the tif's to download in completion, I'd appreciate an offlist> email with 
>the tif's attached, so I can read them. I think there are 8> pages.> > 
>Currently the engine is belted to a large 3 phase motor and that's how it> 
>is rotated and made to fire on occasion. Turn the power off and the poor> 
>engine barely chuffs and can't produce enough power to even sustain> itself, 
>so there is much to do to get it running well and making decent> power.> > 
>As to the governor linkage, it leads me to believe it is a throttle> 
>governed engine. That's fairly unusual too considering the year of> 
>manufacture was 1902/3.> Curt> > > > > Elden,> > Kurt needs to answer this 
>for sure but I think the 4 cycle mechanism> > works similar to that on a 
>McVicker (at least the same principle). The> > engine fires and the 
>explosive pressure causes the small shaft> > (connected to some sort of 
>internal piston) to "kick out". This engages> > a latch that causes the push 
>rod to engage with the exhaust valve.> > Where this engine appears to be 
>different than a McVicker is that is has> > linkage connecting the gov to 
>the carb. On a McVicker the gov pulls the> > electrical connection away from 
>the timer causing the engine to miss.> > But, its missing under compression. 
>During the miss cycle the cylinder> > is constantly compressing the fuel, 
>then backs off compression as the> > piston travels toward the rear of the 
>cylinder. As long as you don't> > have any blow by (or very minimal) this 
>system works good. If you have> > blow by then the piston will, on each back 
>stroke, suck in a little> > fuel. Then when the governor allows the 
>electrical connection it fires> > but floods. The Carl Anderson has to work 
>on a bit different> > principle. Possibly the gov system totally cuts off 
>the fuel in some> > way and it would be interesting to tear that baby apart 
>and figure it> > out. Curt can do it though, I've got faith in him!> >> > 
>Tommy Turner> > Magnolia, KY> >> >> >>Kurt:> >>> >>That is an odd duck of an 
>engine. I assume it is 4-cycle but if it's> >> only got ported exhaust, how 
>does that work?> >>> >>If the exhaust(?) cam turns at crankshaft speed, how 
>can it be a 4-cycle?> >> I didn't see anything like a 2-to-1 gizmo on the 
>pushrod.> >>> >>How does the governor work? Is it hit and miss or volume 
>governed?> >>> >>Lotsa questions! Great oddball engine. I hope it's in your 
>shed. If> >> you want to get rid of it, I'll give you scrap price for it if 
>you'll> >> help load it into my trailer. Nyuk, nyuk!> >>> >>Take care - 
>Elden> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message-----> >>>From: 
>sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
> >>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On> >>> Behalf Of> 
> >>>curt at rustyiron.com> >>>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:03 PM> >>>To: 
>stationary-engine at oldengine.org;> >>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
> >>>Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.> >>>> >>>> >>>Guys,> >>>Could use a 
>little help ID'ing an engine. I> >>>believe it is a Carl Anderson> >>>engine 
>made in Chicago from perusing the BYB.> >>>> >>>If anyone has one please 
>contact me as I need> >>>some information to get it> >>>running.> 
> >>>Thanks,> >>>Curt Holland> >>>Gastonia, NC> >>>> 
> >>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/C> >>>> >>>> 
> >>arlAnderson/Thumbnails.html>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jun  4 07:30:25 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed,  4 Jun 2008 10:30:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <001001c8de25$929ae4c0$726f4b47@mikecomp>
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Hi Mike,

Hmmmmm, it seems like the Evil Cloistered Oyster has been spending WAY too much
time consulting with MY engine buddy, Dave.  Dave, as all will agree, is a
master at working on the fine details of "tuning" the starting process at the
smart end of the engine while one or more blokes sweats and grunts with the
flywheels on the dumb end.  In preperation for the upcoming SIAM show, I've
been working out with the weights three times a week.  

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>:

>   Steve is so right about the issues on that engine that keep it going.  I 
> am sure he will be wanting to pay for my rotator cuff surgery for the 
> countless hours I spent pulling that McVickers through, while Steve "tuned" 
> it !!!!




From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Wed Jun  4 09:16:16 2008
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:16:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <1212589825.4846a701df2b8@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <543059.23864.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Arnie

Are you sure it is only three times a week????  I thought it was 3 times
an hour....Or did that small glass change the workout schedule ???

Looking forward to seeing you all in PA on June 19...Looks like I will be
at CPM on Thursday and Friday.

Steve
--- fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

Hi Mike,
 
...SNIP...  In preperation for the upcoming SIAM show, I've been working
out with the weights three times a week.  
 
See ya,  Arnie
 
Quoting Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>:
 
Steve is so right about the issues on that engine that keep it going.  I
am sure he will be wanting to pay for my rotator cuff surgery for the
countless hours I spent pulling that McVickers through, while Steve
"tuned" it !!!!
 
 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jun  4 10:15:54 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed,  4 Jun 2008 13:15:54 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <543059.23864.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <543059.23864.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1212599754.4846cdcaac04c@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Steve,

Quoting Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net>:

> Are you sure it is only three times a week????  I thought it was 3 times
> an hour....Or did that small glass change the workout schedule ???

heh-heh-heh  The 16-ounce-curls go without saying...  

> Looking forward to seeing you all in PA on June 19...Looks like I will be
> at CPM on Thursday and Friday.

Bummer; I'm gonna miss Coolspring this year.  I'll be in Korea.  8-((

See ya,  Arnie




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  4 11:39:56 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:39:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
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	<543059.23864.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Looks like Bill Bird and I will be at coolspring wednesday late for the rest of the week. Need space for truck and trailer. Since I have destroyed my brothers rotator cuffs , I'll be picking up a load of engines for him again this year( didn't I do this last year as well?)  Was his rotator cuff destroyed last year too? I didn't even get the McVickers running until this spring!  I've been had again by the Bad Cloistered Oyster.    OK, Maybe Jake won't let him on the show grounds!   Keep working out Arnie, I'm bringing you a new glass and something to put in it!  Steve, the good brother.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:16:16 -0700> From: stevebarr at ameritech.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.> > Arnie> > Are you sure it is only three times a week???? I thought it was 3 times> an hour....Or did that small glass change the workout schedule ???> > Looking forward to seeing you all in PA on June 19...Looks like I will be> at CPM on Thursday and Friday.> > Steve> --- fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:> > Hi Mike,> > ...SNIP... In preperation for the upcoming SIAM show, I've been working> out with the weights three times a week. > > See ya, Arnie> > Quoting Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>:> > Steve is so right about the issues on that engine that keep it going. I> am sure he will be wanting to pay for my rotator cuff surgery for the> countless hours I spent pulling that McVickers through, while Steve> "tuned" it !!!!> > > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jun  4 14:39:28 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed,  4 Jun 2008 17:39:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
In-Reply-To: <BAY144-W16074803AE7D9399CA16A395B50@phx.gbl>
References: <1212589825.4846a701df2b8@webmail.city-net.com>
	<543059.23864.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BAY144-W16074803AE7D9399CA16A395B50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1212615568.48470b902288e@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Steve,

Whatever you do DON'T bring that new glass (and especially the contents) to
Coolspring cos I ain't gonna be there!!  Can you bring it to Baraboo or
Portland instead?

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Maybe I was too hasty in agreeing with that scalliwag brother of yours.  It
sounds like you are the GOOD Cloistered Oyster.  I don't recall MIKE ever
bringing me good things to drink.  8-))

Quoting Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>:

> Looks like Bill Bird and I will be at coolspring wednesday late for the rest
> of the week. Need space for truck and trailer. Since I have destroyed my
> brothers rotator cuffs , I'll be picking up a load of engines for him again
> this year( didn't I do this last year as well?)  Was his rotator cuff
> destroyed last year too? I didn't even get the McVickers running until this
> spring!  I've been had again by the Bad Cloistered Oyster.    OK, Maybe Jake
> won't let him on the show grounds!   Keep working out Arnie, I'm bringing you
> a new glass and something to put in it!  Steve, the good brother.




From skipcleveland at bellsouth.net  Wed Jun  4 15:29:25 2008
From: skipcleveland at bellsouth.net (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 18:29:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
References: <1212589825.4846a701df2b8@webmail.city-net.com><543059.23864.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com><BAY144-W16074803AE7D9399CA16A395B50@phx.gbl>
	<1212615568.48470b902288e@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001301c8c692$72509e30$6101a8c0@YOURDA6F5028CB>

Arnie. Are you going to Baraboo? Would you look for my table saw that is 
supposed to be on working display there?
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.


> Hi Steve,
>
> Whatever you do DON'T bring that new glass (and especially the contents) 
> to
> Coolspring cos I ain't gonna be there!!  Can you bring it to Baraboo or
> Portland instead?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - Maybe I was too hasty in agreeing with that scalliwag brother of 
> yours.  It
> sounds like you are the GOOD Cloistered Oyster.  I don't recall MIKE ever
> bringing me good things to drink.  8-))
>
> Quoting Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>:
>
>> Looks like Bill Bird and I will be at coolspring wednesday late for the 
>> rest
>> of the week. Need space for truck and trailer. Since I have destroyed my
>> brothers rotator cuffs , I'll be picking up a load of engines for him 
>> again
>> this year( didn't I do this last year as well?)  Was his rotator cuff
>> destroyed last year too? I didn't even get the McVickers running until 
>> this
>> spring!  I've been had again by the Bad Cloistered Oyster.    OK, Maybe 
>> Jake
>> won't let him on the show grounds!   Keep working out Arnie, I'm bringing 
>> you
>> a new glass and something to put in it!  Steve, the good brother.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


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From iwm at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jun  4 17:18:07 2008
From: iwm at optusnet.com.au (Stephen Pierce)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:18:07 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue Stationary engine
Message-ID: <003601c8c6a1$a23de9e0$0201a8c0@denisecf5f62d2>

Hi,
Would like to talk to someone who can help me with my restoration of a 2.5Hp moffat virtue, I'm chasing workshop/owners manual or service sheets for my engine, also I need to try and date it. Also it has no maggie so I'm after the correct type. I have plenty of questions so I hope there's someone out there who may be able to help.
regards,
Steve

From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jun  4 17:23:57 2008
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:23:57 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
References: <1212589825.4846a701df2b8@webmail.city-net.com><543059.23864.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com><BAY144-W16074803AE7D9399CA16A395B50@phx.gbl>
	<1212615568.48470b902288e@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c8defe$a8267050$726f4b47@mikecomp>

Oh how the full belly no longer requires a meal.  Where is thine hunger from 
which I saved thee?  Gone, forgotten,  just like good deeds of old.  My 
brother plies you with a few drinks, a few cheap drops of demon rum and 
devils brew and I have done nothing for you?  Would you rather have a six 
pack of swill or someone to hear your plea and respond to what you really 
need, the quest for iron.  When you lay crying in your lawn chair at 
Portland years ago, lamenting the fact you can't find a "precious Fero air 
compressor" was it my brother's ear your cry fell upon?  Was it Steve that 
placed the ad for the compressor, made it his mission to find it, retrieved 
it at great personal peril and expense?  Was it Steve that made the trip, 
battled nudity and poison ivy and wild dogs?  Was it Steve that coupled it 
to a working motor and tank from the BRUNNER compressor factory, so that it 
had a chance to breathe again and come to life as functional old iron?  I 
don't think so.

And was it Steve that undertook at great personal expense and effort, to put 
together the first ever "Sleeping Engine Men of the SEL Calendar" and made 
you a star?  And was it STEVE that just last year at Portland, when no one 
else would drink that gosh awful swill lime beer you bought, step up to the 
plate and rid your cooler of that vile product?  I don't think so.

I see it clearly now.  The veil of ignorance has been lifted from me and I 
see clearly now, like a man freed from a dark room.  You are one of those 
"what have you done for me lately" fellows.  It saddens me to see the 
blackness fill your heart.  I don't know why it shocks me so,  I read the 
articles on "How to Tell an Engineer" and I know there is no soul in that 
black void heart, or rather mechanical pump, that beats within your chest.

Sadly,

Mike (the good) cloistered oyster Royster
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.


> Hi Steve,
>
> Whatever you do DON'T bring that new glass (and especially the contents) 
> to
> Coolspring cos I ain't gonna be there!!  Can you bring it to Baraboo or
> Portland instead?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - Maybe I was too hasty in agreeing with that scalliwag brother of 
> yours.  It
> sounds like you are the GOOD Cloistered Oyster.  I don't recall MIKE ever
> bringing me good things to drink.  8-))
>
> Quoting Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>:
>
>> Looks like Bill Bird and I will be at coolspring wednesday late for the 
>> rest
>> of the week. Need space for truck and trailer. Since I have destroyed my
>> brothers rotator cuffs , I'll be picking up a load of engines for him 
>> again
>> this year( didn't I do this last year as well?)  Was his rotator cuff
>> destroyed last year too? I didn't even get the McVickers running until 
>> this
>> spring!  I've been had again by the Bad Cloistered Oyster.    OK, Maybe 
>> Jake
>> won't let him on the show grounds!   Keep working out Arnie, I'm bringing 
>> you
>> a new glass and something to put in it!  Steve, the good brother.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Jun  4 19:15:32 2008
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:15:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
References: <1212589825.4846a701df2b8@webmail.city-net.com><543059.23864.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com><BAY144-W16074803AE7D9399CA16A395B50@phx.gbl><1212615568.48470b902288e@webmail.city-net.com>
	<000e01c8defe$a8267050$726f4b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <003201c8c6b2$0af33b10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Mike, I bow to your superior wordsmithing!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Royster" <mr at carolina.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.


> Oh how the full belly no longer requires a meal.  Where is thine hunger 
> from
> which I saved thee?  Gone, forgotten,  just like good deeds of old.  My
> brother plies you with a few drinks, a few cheap drops of demon rum and
> devils brew and I have done nothing for you?  Would you rather have a six
> pack of swill or someone to hear your plea and respond to what you really
> need, the quest for iron.  When you lay crying in your lawn chair at
> Portland years ago, lamenting the fact you can't find a "precious Fero air
> compressor" was it my brother's ear your cry fell upon?  Was it Steve that
> placed the ad for the compressor, made it his mission to find it, 
> retrieved
> it at great personal peril and expense?  Was it Steve that made the trip,
> battled nudity and poison ivy and wild dogs?  Was it Steve that coupled it
> to a working motor and tank from the BRUNNER compressor factory, so that 
> it
> had a chance to breathe again and come to life as functional old iron?  I
> don't think so.
>
> And was it Steve that undertook at great personal expense and effort, to 
> put
> together the first ever "Sleeping Engine Men of the SEL Calendar" and made
> you a star?  And was it STEVE that just last year at Portland, when no one
> else would drink that gosh awful swill lime beer you bought, step up to 
> the
> plate and rid your cooler of that vile product?  I don't think so.
>
> I see it clearly now.  The veil of ignorance has been lifted from me and I
> see clearly now, like a man freed from a dark room.  You are one of those
> "what have you done for me lately" fellows.  It saddens me to see the
> blackness fill your heart.  I don't know why it shocks me so,  I read the
> articles on "How to Tell an Engineer" and I know there is no soul in that
> black void heart, or rather mechanical pump, that beats within your chest.
>
> Sadly,
>
> Mike (the good) cloistered oyster Royster
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
>
>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> Whatever you do DON'T bring that new glass (and especially the contents)
>> to
>> Coolspring cos I ain't gonna be there!!  Can you bring it to Baraboo or
>> Portland instead?
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> PS - Maybe I was too hasty in agreeing with that scalliwag brother of
>> yours.  It
>> sounds like you are the GOOD Cloistered Oyster.  I don't recall MIKE ever
>> bringing me good things to drink.  8-))
>>
>> Quoting Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>:
>>
>>> Looks like Bill Bird and I will be at coolspring wednesday late for the
>>> rest
>>> of the week. Need space for truck and trailer. Since I have destroyed my
>>> brothers rotator cuffs , I'll be picking up a load of engines for him
>>> again
>>> this year( didn't I do this last year as well?)  Was his rotator cuff
>>> destroyed last year too? I didn't even get the McVickers running until
>>> this
>>> spring!  I've been had again by the Bad Cloistered Oyster.    OK, Maybe
>>> Jake
>>> won't let him on the show grounds!   Keep working out Arnie, I'm 
>>> bringing
>>> you
>>> a new glass and something to put in it!  Steve, the good brother.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jun  4 19:35:53 2008
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:35:53 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue Stationary engine
In-Reply-To: <003601c8c6a1$a23de9e0$0201a8c0@denisecf5f62d2>
References: <003601c8c6a1$a23de9e0$0201a8c0@denisecf5f62d2>
Message-ID: <7BB29D9AC15A4466B718B3B367A3C444@KerryPC>


G,Day Steve
Try Rally Badges for a manual
http://www.rallybadges.com.au
search on Moffat Virtue to navigate to what is required or

http://www.rallybadges.com.au/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=moffat+Virtue&x=2&y=5

It probably had a Lucas N1 Q but most companies bought in batches in 
whatever they could get, also note MV sold several types of engines not sure 
if "2.5 hp" is limited to what most call the brick see
http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Photos/Moffat.JPG

I don't know of a dating list, what is the engine number ?

Hope it helps

Kerry Morris

Lithgow NSW Oz


> Hi,
> Would like to talk to someone who can help me with my restoration of a 
> 2.5Hp moffat virtue, I'm chasing workshop/owners manual or service sheets 
> for my engine, also I need to try and date it. Also it has no maggie so 
> I'm after the correct type. I have plenty of questions so I hope there's 
> someone out there who may be able to help.
> regards,
> Steve



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jun  4 20:19:16 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:19:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue Stationary engine
References: <003601c8c6a1$a23de9e0$0201a8c0@denisecf5f62d2>
	<7BB29D9AC15A4466B718B3B367A3C444@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <000f01c8c6ba$efd2b780$0200a8c0@altech>

Hi Guys

Don Reid in Loganlea in Brisbane has Moffatt Virtue dating records and spare 
parts, he advertises in TOMM
Don Reid - Vintage Engine Spares 07-32005382
My gen/set is in the middle of this page.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/My%20Engines/ozengine.htm
Peter, Oz



>
> G,Day Steve
> Try Rally Badges for a manual
> http://www.rallybadges.com.au
> search on Moffat Virtue to navigate to what is required or
>
> http://www.rallybadges.com.au/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=moffat+Virtue&x=2&y=5
>
> It probably had a Lucas N1 Q but most companies bought in batches in
> whatever they could get, also note MV sold several types of engines not 
> sure
> if "2.5 hp" is limited to what most call the brick see
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Photos/Moffat.JPG
>
> I don't know of a dating list, what is the engine number ?
>
> Hope it helps
>
> Kerry Morris
>
> Lithgow NSW Oz
>
>
>> Hi,
>> Would like to talk to someone who can help me with my restoration of a
>> 2.5Hp moffat virtue, I'm chasing workshop/owners manual or service sheets
>> for my engine, also I need to try and date it. Also it has no maggie so
>> I'm after the correct type. I have plenty of questions so I hope there's
>> someone out there who may be able to help.
>> regards,
>> Steve
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Jun  4 13:13:52 2008
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 21:13:52 +0100
Subject: [SEL] address wanted
Message-ID: <000601c8c67f$83af2920$4f8b474f@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi, 
        Does anyone know of  or have either an email or web site address for Mark's Magnetos.

Thanks, Craig in Scotland

From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  5 08:15:11 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:15:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] address wanted
In-Reply-To: <000601c8c67f$83af2920$4f8b474f@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <000601c8c67f$83af2920$4f8b474f@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <BAY144-W56877A64FB716742D12FE95B40@phx.gbl>


HI Craig, I don't have an e-mail but the address and phone is: 321 McDonald Rd. Colchester, CT 06415  phone 860 537 0376, Steve> From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 21:13:52 +0100> Subject: [SEL] address wanted> > Hi, > Does anyone know of or have either an email or web site address for Mark's Magnetos.> > Thanks, Craig in Scotland> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From gastzt at aol.com  Thu Jun  5 08:39:09 2008
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:39:09 EDT
Subject: [SEL] address wanted
Message-ID: <bf9.3b5e1f25.3579629d@aol.com>

here is an address:  used it befiore---from Stan Zettener 
Pleasanton, Txas 78064
 
_www.deschene.com/marksmagneto/_ (http://www.deschene.com/marksmagneto/)      
 
hope this may help a little!   I used to work on them but after moving to 
this location everything is a MESS for now--LOL
  Stan Z
 
   yaw'll hang in there!   Enjoy the BS'n



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From gastzt at aol.com  Thu Jun  5 08:43:03 2008
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:43:03 EDT
Subject: [SEL] address wanted
Message-ID: <bc0.3337413a.35796387@aol.com>

_www.deschene.com/marksmagneto/_ (http://www.deschene.com/marksmagneto/)    
 
I used him before---   nice work!
 
Stan Zettner
Pleasanton, Texas  78064      yaw'll hang in there---these engines are a 
blast!  LOL



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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Thu Jun  5 16:17:56 2008
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:17:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
Message-ID: <410-22008645231756593@earthlink.net>

Sounds like somebody needs his blankie, damn man, a preteen school girl
doesn't whine that much.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 6/4/2008 7:23:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
>
> Oh how the full belly no longer requires a meal.  Where is thine hunger
from 
> which I saved thee?  Gone, forgotten,  just like good deeds of old.  My 
> brother plies you with a few drinks, a few cheap drops of demon rum and 
> devils brew and I have done nothing for you?  Would you rather have a six 
> pack of swill or someone to hear your plea and respond to what you really 
> need, the quest for iron.  When you lay crying in your lawn chair at 
> Portland years ago, lamenting the fact you can't find a "precious Fero
air 
> compressor" was it my brother's ear your cry fell upon?  Was it Steve
that 
> placed the ad for the compressor, made it his mission to find it,
retrieved 
> it at great personal peril and expense?  Was it Steve that made the trip, 
> battled nudity and poison ivy and wild dogs?  Was it Steve that coupled
it 
> to a working motor and tank from the BRUNNER compressor factory, so that
it 
> had a chance to breathe again and come to life as functional old iron?  I 
> don't think so.
>
> And was it Steve that undertook at great personal expense and effort, to
put 
> together the first ever "Sleeping Engine Men of the SEL Calendar" and
made 
> you a star?  And was it STEVE that just last year at Portland, when no
one 
> else would drink that gosh awful swill lime beer you bought, step up to
the 
> plate and rid your cooler of that vile product?  I don't think so.
>
> I see it clearly now.  The veil of ignorance has been lifted from me and
I 
> see clearly now, like a man freed from a dark room.  You are one of those 
> "what have you done for me lately" fellows.  It saddens me to see the 
> blackness fill your heart.  I don't know why it shocks me so,  I read the 
> articles on "How to Tell an Engineer" and I know there is no soul in that 
> black void heart, or rather mechanical pump, that beats within your chest.
>
> Sadly,
>
> Mike (the good) cloistered oyster Royster
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>




From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com  Fri Jun  6 01:15:31 2008
From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 18:15:31 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue Stationary engine
References: <003601c8c6a1$a23de9e0$0201a8c0@denisecf5f62d2>
Message-ID: <005001c8c7ad$7d3dc950$0200000a@Andy>

Hi Steve,
Give me a couple of days, I've got a photo copy some where? I've just moved 
homes again.
Andy Nicholson
Townsville Qld
OZ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Pierce" <iwm at optusnet.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 10:18 AM
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue Stationary engine


> Hi,
> Would like to talk to someone who can help me with my restoration of a 
> 2.5Hp moffat virtue, I'm chasing workshop/owners manual or service sheets 
> for my engine, also I need to try and date it. Also it has no maggie so 
> I'm after the correct type. I have plenty of questions so I hope there's 
> someone out there who may be able to help.
> regards,
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Fri Jun  6 16:26:44 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:26:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Unkown engine,need help
Message-ID: <20080607002206.898A14C8C1C@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hi ,A friend ask me for some help ID ing a recent find. I have a few
pictures but no way to display them. The engine is about 5/6 HP. tank
cooled,6 ?? bore,9? stroke ,ignitored fired originally and throttle
governed. The wheels are 35+? with EJ part#?s. I?ll forward the pictures to
Anyone that wants them. Thank you for any help, Jimmy O?Hagan, Novato,Ca.
415 892 0236

 

Jim O'Hagan

 



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Jun  4 19:21:18 2008
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:21:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] =?iso-8859-1?q?Spam=3E_Re=3A_OT=2E__Engine_ID_needed=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <000e01c8defe$a8267050$726f4b47@mikecomp>
References: <1212589825.4846a701df2b8@webmail.city-net.com><543059.23864.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com><BAY144-W16074803AE7D9399CA16A395B50@phx.gbl><1212615568.48470b902288e@webmail.city-net.com>
	<000e01c8defe$a8267050$726f4b47@mikecomp>
Message-ID: <BF3D90D4CEC1418AB82B5754DBB25DDF@KerryPC>

G'Day Mike (The Good)

I do feel your pain, to be shunted by what you though a friend is hard to 
take, some people can be bought by the evil drink and he has shown himself 
only to be human after all.
It may be to late for (the Bad) but Arnie may not have turned to the dark 
side totally, and should be forgiven this time.

Kerry


> Oh how the full belly no longer requires a meal.  Where is thine hunger 
> from
> which I saved thee?  Gone, forgotten,  just like good deeds of old.  My
> brother plies you with a few drinks, a few cheap drops of demon rum and
> devils brew and I have done nothing for you?  Would you rather have a six
> pack of swill or someone to hear your plea and respond to what you really
> need, the quest for iron.  When you lay crying in your lawn chair at
> Portland years ago, lamenting the fact you can't find a "precious Fero air
> compressor" was it my brother's ear your cry fell upon?  Was it Steve that
> placed the ad for the compressor, made it his mission to find it, 
> retrieved
> it at great personal peril and expense?  Was it Steve that made the trip,
> battled nudity and poison ivy and wild dogs?  Was it Steve that coupled it
> to a working motor and tank from the BRUNNER compressor factory, so that 
> it
> had a chance to breathe again and come to life as functional old iron?  I
> don't think so.
>
> And was it Steve that undertook at great personal expense and effort, to 
> put
> together the first ever "Sleeping Engine Men of the SEL Calendar" and made
> you a star?  And was it STEVE that just last year at Portland, when no one
> else would drink that gosh awful swill lime beer you bought, step up to 
> the
> plate and rid your cooler of that vile product?  I don't think so.
>
> I see it clearly now.  The veil of ignorance has been lifted from me and I
> see clearly now, like a man freed from a dark room.  You are one of those
> "what have you done for me lately" fellows.  It saddens me to see the
> blackness fill your heart.  I don't know why it shocks me so,  I read the
> articles on "How to Tell an Engineer" and I know there is no soul in that
> black void heart, or rather mechanical pump, that beats within your chest.
>
> Sadly,
>
> Mike (the good) cloistered oyster Royster



From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  6 19:22:16 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:22:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Unkown engine,need help
In-Reply-To: <20080607002206.898A14C8C1C@in01.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <3541.16424.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Send me the pictures and I will post them.
Alan

--- Jim O'Hagan <jdohagan at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi ,A friend ask me for some help ID ing a recent find. I have a few
> pictures but no way to display them. The engine is about 5/6 HP. tank
> cooled,6 ?? bore,9? stroke ,ignitored fired originally and throttle
> governed. The wheels are 35+? with EJ part#?s. I?ll forward the pictures to
> Anyone that wants them. Thank you for any help, Jimmy O?Hagan, Novato,Ca.
> 415 892 0236
> 
>  
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> 
>  
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Fri Jun  6 20:13:27 2008
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 23:13:27 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: OT.  Engine ID needed.
References: <1212589825.4846a701df2b8@webmail.city-net.com><543059.23864.qm@web82002.mail.mud.yahoo.com><BAY144-W16074803AE7D9399CA16A395B50@phx.gbl><1212615568.48470b902288e@webmail.city-net.com><000e01c8defe$a8267050$726f4b47@mikecomp>
	<BF3D90D4CEC1418AB82B5754DBB25DDF@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <001201c8c84c$74524ec0$726f4b47@mikecomp>

Maybe he will respond when he gets back from being Kim Yun Sungs lackey in 
Korea!  By any chance are any of the Aussies coming to Portland this year? 
We could give Arnie another chance and watch him drink beer out of a 
thimble.

Mike (the good) Steve (the bad) and Arnie (apologies to Clint Eastwood here)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:21 PM
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: OT. Engine ID needed.


> G'Day Mike (The Good)
>
> I do feel your pain, to be shunted by what you though a friend is hard to
> take, some people can be bought by the evil drink and he has shown himself
> only to be human after all.
> It may be to late for (the Bad) but Arnie may not have turned to the dark
> side totally, and should be forgiven this time.
>
> Kerry
>
>
>> Oh how the full belly no longer requires a meal.  Where is thine hunger
>> from
>> which I saved thee?  Gone, forgotten,  just like good deeds of old.  My
>> brother plies you with a few drinks, a few cheap drops of demon rum and
>> devils brew and I have done nothing for you?  Would you rather have a six
>> pack of swill or someone to hear your plea and respond to what you really
>> need, the quest for iron.  When you lay crying in your lawn chair at
>> Portland years ago, lamenting the fact you can't find a "precious Fero 
>> air
>> compressor" was it my brother's ear your cry fell upon?  Was it Steve 
>> that
>> placed the ad for the compressor, made it his mission to find it,
>> retrieved
>> it at great personal peril and expense?  Was it Steve that made the trip,
>> battled nudity and poison ivy and wild dogs?  Was it Steve that coupled 
>> it
>> to a working motor and tank from the BRUNNER compressor factory, so that
>> it
>> had a chance to breathe again and come to life as functional old iron?  I
>> don't think so.
>>
>> And was it Steve that undertook at great personal expense and effort, to
>> put
>> together the first ever "Sleeping Engine Men of the SEL Calendar" and 
>> made
>> you a star?  And was it STEVE that just last year at Portland, when no 
>> one
>> else would drink that gosh awful swill lime beer you bought, step up to
>> the
>> plate and rid your cooler of that vile product?  I don't think so.
>>
>> I see it clearly now.  The veil of ignorance has been lifted from me and 
>> I
>> see clearly now, like a man freed from a dark room.  You are one of those
>> "what have you done for me lately" fellows.  It saddens me to see the
>> blackness fill your heart.  I don't know why it shocks me so,  I read the
>> articles on "How to Tell an Engineer" and I know there is no soul in that
>> black void heart, or rather mechanical pump, that beats within your 
>> chest.
>>
>> Sadly,
>>
>> Mike (the good) cloistered oyster Royster
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Fri Jun  6 21:20:13 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 21:20:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Unkown engine,need help
In-Reply-To: <3541.16424.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080607042015.06DAC40546A@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Thanks Allen, I sent them to your Email address. Hope that was the correct
way. Jimmy

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 7:22 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Unkown engine,need help

Send me the pictures and I will post them.
Alan

--- Jim O'Hagan <jdohagan at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi ,A friend ask me for some help ID ing a recent find. I have a few
> pictures but no way to display them. The engine is about 5/6 HP. tank
> cooled,6 ?? bore,9? stroke ,ignitored fired originally and throttle
> governed. The wheels are 35+? with EJ part#?s. I?ll forward the pictures
to
> Anyone that wants them. Thank you for any help, Jimmy O?Hagan, Novato,Ca.
> 415 892 0236
> 
>  
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> 
>  
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 

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From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com  Sat Jun  7 00:12:53 2008
From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 17:12:53 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue Stationary engine
References: <003601c8c6a1$a23de9e0$0201a8c0@denisecf5f62d2>
	<005001c8c7ad$7d3dc950$0200000a@Andy>
Message-ID: <001b01c8c86d$e7f6a2b0$0200000a@Andy>

Hello Steve,
I've found a copy, I just need your mailing address.

Andy Nicholson
Brandon Qld
OZ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Nicholson" <rustyiron1 at bigpond.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Moffat Virtue Stationary engine


> Hi Steve,
> Give me a couple of days, I've got a photo copy some where? I've just 
> moved
> homes again.
> Andy Nicholson
> Townsville Qld
> OZ
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stephen Pierce" <iwm at optusnet.com.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 10:18 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue Stationary engine
>
>
>> Hi,
>> Would like to talk to someone who can help me with my restoration of a
>> 2.5Hp moffat virtue, I'm chasing workshop/owners manual or service sheets
>> for my engine, also I need to try and date it. Also it has no maggie so
>> I'm after the correct type. I have plenty of questions so I hope there's
>> someone out there who may be able to help.
>> regards,
>> Steve
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  7 05:55:17 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 05:55:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Unkown engine,need help
In-Reply-To: <20080607042015.06DAC40546A@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <726686.23906.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey, Jim,,,
It is spelled Alan.  8>))
BTW,,,
The PIX are here.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/563716902TgAniQ

Alan

--- Jim O'Hagan <jdohagan at comcast.net> wrote:

> Thanks Allen, I sent them to your Email address. Hope that was the correct
> way. Jimmy
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 7:22 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Unkown engine,need help
> 
> Send me the pictures and I will post them.
> Alan
> 
> --- Jim O'Hagan <jdohagan at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hi ,A friend ask me for some help ID ing a recent find. I have a few
> > pictures but no way to display them. The engine is about 5/6 HP. tank
> > cooled,6 ?? bore,9? stroke ,ignitored fired originally and throttle
> > governed. The wheels are 35+? with EJ part#?s. I?ll forward the pictures
> to
> > Anyone that wants them. Thank you for any help, Jimmy O?Hagan, Novato,Ca.
> > 415 892 0236
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Jim O'Hagan
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sat Jun  7 09:13:37 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 09:13:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Unkown engine,need help
In-Reply-To: <726686.23906.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080607161338.21E1C30286B@in05.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

OPS! Sorry, Thanks Alan

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 5:55 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Unkown engine,need help

Hey, Jim,,,
It is spelled Alan.  8>))
BTW,,,
The PIX are here.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/563716902TgAniQ

Alan

--- Jim O'Hagan <jdohagan at comcast.net> wrote:

> Thanks Allen, I sent them to your Email address. Hope that was the correct
> way. Jimmy
> 
> Jim O'Hagan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Alan
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 7:22 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Unkown engine,need help
> 
> Send me the pictures and I will post them.
> Alan
> 
> --- Jim O'Hagan <jdohagan at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hi ,A friend ask me for some help ID ing a recent find. I have a few
> > pictures but no way to display them. The engine is about 5/6 HP. tank
> > cooled,6 ?? bore,9? stroke ,ignitored fired originally and throttle
> > governed. The wheels are 35+? with EJ part#?s. I?ll forward the pictures
> to
> > Anyone that wants them. Thank you for any help, Jimmy O?Hagan,
Novato,Ca.
> > 415 892 0236
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Jim O'Hagan
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 

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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jun  7 20:22:32 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 23:22:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] A familiar face
Message-ID: <484B5078.3040104@scrtc.com>

For anyone on the east coast who is a night owl or those on the west 
coast wanting to watch C Span, if you do beginning at 1:55 am Eastern 
Time (Sunday morning in the east) you'll see a familiar face (at least 
for those who know me).  I wished it was a program on engines but 
sometimes I get involved in other activities.  And, for those of you who 
don't see me on the tube, I'll see some of you at Coolspring and the 
rest at Portland!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jun  8 01:40:54 2008
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 18:40:54 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Blackstone is Finished
Message-ID: <000a01c8c943$5e3cbdd0$f3bc693a@fred>

Finally after six months work the Vertical Blackstone started and ran today.
pictures on webshots .
David Watts (03) 87616332
damewatt at bigpond.com

 http://community.webshots.com/user/briwat

From jdohagan at comcast.net  Sun Jun  8 10:06:37 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 10:06:37 -0700
Subject: [SEL] A familiar face
In-Reply-To: <484B5078.3040104@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <20080608170643.5B9A0405461@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>

Hey Tommy ,you clean up pretty good. 

Jim O'Hagan

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Judge Tommy
Turner
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 8:23 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] A familiar face

For anyone on the east coast who is a night owl or those on the west 
coast wanting to watch C Span, if you do beginning at 1:55 am Eastern 
Time (Sunday morning in the east) you'll see a familiar face (at least 
for those who know me).  I wished it was a program on engines but 
sometimes I get involved in other activities.  And, for those of you who 
don't see me on the tube, I'll see some of you at Coolspring and the 
rest at Portland!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jun  8 10:58:29 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 13:58:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] A familiar face
In-Reply-To: <20080608170643.5B9A0405461@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
References: <20080608170643.5B9A0405461@in03.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com>
Message-ID: <484C1DC5.4090006@scrtc.com>

Thanks Jimmy.  I'd rather be greasy though!

Tommy



Jim O'Hagan wrote:

>Hey Tommy ,you clean up pretty good. 
>
>Jim O'Hagan
>
>
>  
>


From christison at coastalnet.com  Sun Jun  8 11:18:57 2008
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 14:18:57 -0400
Subject: [SEL] A familiar face
Message-ID: <380-22008608181857218@coastalnet.com>

Pretty interesting program.  That professor seems to be a person who 
never runs out of words;-)  We also watched the hour and a half ahead 
of it.  Nice history mini refresher course.

I know this event is the culmination of a lot of hard work behind the
scenes.
Ya dun good!!

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 6/7/2008 11:22:29 PM
> Subject: [SEL] A familiar face
>
> For anyone on the east coast who is a night owl or those on the west 
> coast wanting to watch C Span, if you do beginning at 1:55 am Eastern 
> Time (Sunday morning in the east) you'll see a familiar face (at least 
> for those who know me).  I wished it was a program on engines but 
> sometimes I get involved in other activities.  And, for those of you who 
> don't see me on the tube, I'll see some of you at Coolspring and the 
> rest at Portland!
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Jun  8 12:23:10 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 15:23:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] A familiar face
In-Reply-To: <380-22008608181857218@coastalnet.com>
References: <380-22008608181857218@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <484C319E.1010100@scrtc.com>

Thanks Ken.

Tommy Turner




Ken Christison wrote:

>Pretty interesting program.  That professor seems to be a person who 
>never runs out of words;-)  We also watched the hour and a half ahead 
>of it.  Nice history mini refresher course.
>
>I know this event is the culmination of a lot of hard work behind the
>scenes.
>Ya dun good!!
>
>Take care.
>
>Ken
>
>
>  
>
>>[Original Message]
>>From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Date: 6/7/2008 11:22:29 PM
>>Subject: [SEL] A familiar face
>>
>>For anyone on the east coast who is a night owl or those on the west 
>>coast wanting to watch C Span, if you do beginning at 1:55 am Eastern 
>>Time (Sunday morning in the east) you'll see a familiar face (at least 
>>for those who know me).  I wished it was a program on engines but 
>>sometimes I get involved in other activities.  And, for those of you who 
>>don't see me on the tube, I'll see some of you at Coolspring and the 
>>rest at Portland!
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, KY
>>    
>>
>
>
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>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jun  8 12:57:10 2008
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:57:10 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Local show.
Message-ID: <20080608.125711.1060.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
Yesterday WAPA displayed at the Sonora High School FFA car show fund
raiser.  It was a simply gorgeous Southern California day, with a cool
breeze blowing on the grass of the athletic fields.  Pictures at:

http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/SonoraHighSchoolCarShow2008

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From old_iron at msn.com  Sun Jun  8 19:57:54 2008
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 21:57:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FW: I'm Bloody Proud
In-Reply-To: <00f201c8c43f$da260e50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <00f201c8c43f$da260e50$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
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From: old_iron at msn.comTo: randmingold at hotkey.net.au; stationary-engine at atis.netSubject: RE: I'm Bloody ProudDate: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 21:57:04 -0500


I got a t-shirt today at the flea market that kind of goes along with this type of theam. It has a picture on the front with "Homeland security" above a picture of american indians holding bows and arrows and below the pictures it says Fighting Terrorism since 1492.  And on the back it has the following: The Land.. Was put here for us by the great spirit and we can not sell it because it does not belong to us.  You can count your money and burn it within the nod of a buffalo's head, but only the great spirit can count the grains of sand and the blades of grass of these plains.  As a present to you, we will give you anything we have that you can take with you; but the land      NEVER. Rather elequent don't you think. Peg Pfeiffer > From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au> To: ;> Subject: Fw: I'm Bloody Proud > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:32:39 +1000> > > Reg & Marg Ingold.> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.> randmingold at hotkey.net.au> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold> > Proud to be a white Australian .> > Someone finally said it. But how many are actually paying attention to this?> > > There are Aboriginals, Torres Strait Islanders, Kiwi Australians, Lebanese > Australians, Asian Australians, Arab Australians and boat people from all > over the place.> > > And then there are just Australians. White Australians, ordinary > Australians, who love their country. Australians who don't really care about > the skin colour of others - until they find themselves on the wrong end of > abuse because they happen to be white Australians.> > > You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You call me 'Australian > Dog', 'White boy', 'Cracker', 'Honky', 'Whitey', 'Caveman'. And that's OK. > But when I call you, Blackfella, Kike, Towelhead,Rock-ape, Sand-Nigger, > Sheep Shagger, Camel Jockey, Gook or Chink, you call me a racist.> > > You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the > Aboriginal suburbs such as Redfern and Muslim and Asian suburbs such as > Lakemba, Bankstown and Cabramatta the most dangerous places to live?> > > You have Invasion Day. You Have Yom Hashoah. You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi.> > But if we had a 'White Pride' Day, you would call us racists.> > > You want us to study Aboriginal history and indoctrinate us to believe that > we are ruthless invaders. You want us to say sorry for something we did not > do. But, because we want to teach history as it happened, we are racists.> > > If we had an organisation for only whites to 'advance' OUR lives. we'd be > racists.> > If we had a university fund that only gave white students scholarships, we'd > be racists.> > There are many indigenous organisations that are only open to Aboriginals. > Are there any organisations that are restricted to whites only? Of course > not, because if there were, we would be called racists.> > > Australia has a flag that represents everybody. Aboriginals have a flag that > represents only them, but they don't think that's racist. However if white > Australians dared to have a flag that only represented white Australians and > white athletes who won an Olympic event ran around draped in such a flag, > they would be condemned as racists.> > > If you are not white, you can march for your race and rights. If we marched > for our race and rights, you would call us racists.> > You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid > to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.> > You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer > shoots a Muslim gang member or beats up a Lebanese drug dealer running from > the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.> > > I am proud. But you call me a racist. Why is it that only whites can be > racists?> > Let's see which of you are proud enough to send it on...> > 

From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  9 09:03:24 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:03:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Iron transportation help needed
In-Reply-To: <c14.3b0dba4b.356f14f5@aol.com>
References: <c14.3b0dba4b.356f14f5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY144-W291D1783268D0A185A653295B00@phx.gbl>


Tom, Did you ever find a ride for this handle? Steve> From: MBellar at aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:05:09 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: [SEL] New Iron transportation help needed> > I have found a reproduction cart handle to complete my Famous vertical > restoration. The reproduction can be picked up at the Coolspring show, but I need > to find transportation from Coolspring to within an hour drive of Cincinnati, > OH. Apparently the handle is too bulky to ship. I am a sole care provider > for my wife and can only get away for about 3 hours between 10:00 and 12:00 on > Mon, Wed, or Fridays so connection on this end could be a problem. I would be > very thankful if any of the List members could help out. Contact me off List> > Tom Bellar about 26 miles East of Cincinnati> > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From bgrimley at bellsouth.net  Mon Jun  9 06:53:51 2008
From: bgrimley at bellsouth.net (bgrimley at bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:53:51 +0000
Subject: [SEL] A familiar face
In-Reply-To: <484B5078.3040104@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <060920081353.13963.484D35EF000151620000368B22230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970A0403079D090D@att.net>


 Well I missed it.  When will it be rerun?
Thanks,
Bill
 -------------- Original message from Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>: --------------


> For anyone on the east coast who is a night owl or those on the west 
> coast wanting to watch C Span, if you do beginning at 1:55 am Eastern 
> Time (Sunday morning in the east) you'll see a familiar face (at least 
> for those who know me).  I wished it was a program on engines but 
> sometimes I get involved in other activities.  And, for those of you who 
> don't see me on the tube, I'll see some of you at Coolspring and the 
> rest at Portland!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun  9 12:21:49 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 14:21:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A familiar face
References: <060920081353.13963.484D35EF000151620000368B22230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970A0403079D090D@att.net>
Message-ID: <002001c8ca66$11771170$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

 somebody stick it on yootoob already . :-)

> 
> Well I missed it.  When will it be rerun?
> Thanks,
> Bill
 /sel


From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Mon Jun  9 16:06:43 2008
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:06:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SIAM this weekend
In-Reply-To: <484B5078.3040104@scrtc.com>
References: <484B5078.3040104@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <402FD74F-E81F-4CAA-83D8-58B94160DB28@herculesengines.com>

>
Just checking, who is planning on attending the SIAM show this  
weekend?  Should be a good time.
Thanks.
Keith

www.herculesengines.com







From bill at minehane.com  Mon Jun  9 16:08:40 2008
From: bill at minehane.com (William Minehane)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:08:40 +1000
Subject: [SEL] FW: Lister D model 26HD
In-Reply-To: <DA2808BEB9BF43BD8BBB75B2FEE365DC@FBI>
Message-ID: <C473F518.C6%bill@minehane.com>


> 
> I have recently bought a Lister D model 26DH with the  original galv water
> tank. I have printed out the drawings of this engine and  notice the the
> bottom water inlet is level with the outlet of the tank and  that the top
> connection is at a specified angle ? the distance from the centre  of the
> engine to the centre of the tank is 350mm. The actual height of the  tank is
> 850mm high so the top of the tank and the top connection is much  higher than
> the engine height
> 
> All this I can follow as I am now making  a transporter for the engine and
> tank so that I can take this engine along  with others to ?meetings?. What I
> cannot follow is how does the water flow  back into the tank as all Listers
> have a specified ?height of water in the  engine?  and as this is much lower
> than the top connection then I feel  that the engine would have to get very
> hot before ?steam? flows  back.
> 
> The engine is a 1940 year of manufacture and the water tank is the original
> galv water tank.
> 
> Maybe I am missing something so would appreciate ?help? -
> 
> I actually live on the Sunshine Coast in Queensland,Australia and do  belong
> to a Club, but this Club is also a distance away from me but not as far  as
> you. Email is terrific.
> 
> Thanking you for assistance.
> 
> Bill  Minehane 


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From iwm at optusnet.com.au  Fri Jun  6 14:10:17 2008
From: iwm at optusnet.com.au (Stephen Pierce)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 07:10:17 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Moffat Virtue
Message-ID: <001201c8c819$b99d71e0$0201a8c0@denisecf5f62d2>

Hi Andy,
Thanks for the reply, I'd appreciate the help. Do you have a running MV?
Regards,
Steve

From kosh at ncweb.com  Mon Jun  9 16:47:18 2008
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:47:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] FW: Lister D model 26HD
In-Reply-To: <C473F518.C6%bill@minehane.com>
References: <DA2808BEB9BF43BD8BBB75B2FEE365DC@FBI>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20080609193619.045a9440@ncweb.com>

To this FATG, it sounds like a thermosyphon system like many Farmalls.

Without a picture it's had to be sure, but when cool, the water level in
the tank and engine would be the same. The engine wouldn't need to
get all that hot for steam to carry over the top pipe.

Thermosyphons are simple, since they are self regulating without a
thermostat, ie they evaporate as much water as needed to keep the
correct operating temperature. The height of the return pile would
appear to regulate the operating temp.

Dave Merchant


At 07:08 PM 6/9/2008, you wrote:

> >
> > I have recently bought a Lister D model 26DH with the  original galv water
> > tank. I have printed out the drawings of this engine and  notice the the
> > bottom water inlet is level with the outlet of the tank and  that the top
> > connection is at a specified angle ? the distance from the centre  of the
> > engine to the centre of the tank is 350mm. The actual height of 
> the  tank is
> > 850mm high so the top of the tank and the top connection is 
> much  higher than
> > the engine height
> >
> > All this I can follow as I am now making  a transporter for the engine and
> > tank so that I can take this engine along  with others to ?meetings?. 
> What I
> > cannot follow is how does the water flow  back into the tank as all Listers
> > have a specified ?height of water in the  engine?  and as this is much 
> lower
> > than the top connection then I feel  that the engine would have to get very
> > hot before ?steam? flows  back.
> >
> > The engine is a 1940 year of manufacture and the water tank is the original
> > galv water tank.
> >
> > Maybe I am missing something so would appreciate ?help? -
> >
> > I actually live on the Sunshine Coast in Queensland,Australia and 
> do  belong
> > to a Club, but this Club is also a distance away from me but not as far  as
> > you. Email is terrific.
> >
> > Thanking you for assistance.
> >
> > Bill  Minehane
>
>
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>
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From MBellar at aol.com  Mon Jun  9 16:57:20 2008
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:57:20 EDT
Subject: [SEL] New Iron transportation help needed
Message-ID: <c8f.29cc67d4.357f1d60@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/9/2008 12:09:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:

Tom, Did  you ever find a ride for this handle?


Steve;
Tommy Turner suggested a local collector whom I contacted, and he offered  to 
transport the handle from Coolspring to the Cincinnati area. Thanks again to  
all for all the help.
 
Tom



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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Jun  9 17:12:43 2008
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:12:43 +0800
Subject: [SEL] FW: Lister D model 26HD
References: <C473F518.C6%bill@minehane.com>
Message-ID: <001101c8ca8e$b8b0a410$0201a8c0@ogborneuah38i3>

Bill most Lister D,s have a hopper cooling system ,that is the water jacket 
around the cylinder is the "Hopper''. Your engine sounds as if it is one 
with a sealed cylinder head designed for an external water tank. That's fine 
,just remember you have a Thermo syphon system ,hot water rises and cooler 
water takes it's place.
The bottom out let of your tank must be level or lower than the engine 
connection .The top connection of the engine must rise to the tank .
Lister D's can boil away all day ,no problems.
I am sure I have a Lister D tank diagram some where if you want I can send 
it.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Minehane" <bill at minehane.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 7:08 AM
Subject: [SEL] FW: Lister D model 26HD


>
>>
>> I have recently bought a Lister D model 26DH with the  original galv 
>> water
>> tank. I have printed out the drawings of this engine and  notice the the
>> bottom water inlet is level with the outlet of the tank and  that the top
>> connection is at a specified angle ? the distance from the centre  of the
>> engine to the centre of the tank is 350mm. The actual height of the  tank 
>> is
>> 850mm high so the top of the tank and the top connection is much  higher 
>> than
>> the engine height
>>
>> All this I can follow as I am now making  a transporter for the engine 
>> and
>> tank so that I can take this engine along  with others to ?meetings?. 
>> What I
>> cannot follow is how does the water flow  back into the tank as all 
>> Listers
>> have a specified ?height of water in the  engine?  and as this is much 
>> lower
>> than the top connection then I feel  that the engine would have to get 
>> very
>> hot before ?steam? flows  back.
>>
>> The engine is a 1940 year of manufacture and the water tank is the 
>> original
>> galv water tank.
>>
>> Maybe I am missing something so would appreciate ?help? -
>>
>> I actually live on the Sunshine Coast in Queensland,Australia and do 
>> belong
>> to a Club, but this Club is also a distance away from me but not as far 
>> as
>> you. Email is terrific.
>>
>> Thanking you for assistance.
>>
>> Bill  Minehane
>
>
> ------ End of Forwarded Message
>
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  9 18:31:51 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 21:31:51 -0400
Subject: [SEL] New Iron transportation help needed
In-Reply-To: <c8f.29cc67d4.357f1d60@aol.com>
References: <c8f.29cc67d4.357f1d60@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY144-W21F57BBD8A15766C39896595B30@phx.gbl>


Good!    If it doesn't work out I'm going to coolspring and could hold it until august when I go through cincinnatti to get to Portland. Steve> From: MBellar at aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:57:20 -0400> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] New Iron transportation help needed> > > In a message dated 6/9/2008 12:09:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > steve_royster at hotmail.com writes:> > Tom, Did you ever find a ride for this handle?> > > Steve;> Tommy Turner suggested a local collector whom I contacted, and he offered to > transport the handle from Coolspring to the Cincinnati area. Thanks again to > all for all the help.> > Tom> > > > **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best > 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From ilifa at internode.on.net  Mon Jun  9 21:20:44 2008
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:20:44 +1000
Subject: [SEL] FW: Lister D model 26HD
In-Reply-To: <C473F518.C6%bill@minehane.com>
References: <C473F518.C6%bill@minehane.com>
Message-ID: <30464348-75CA-4C5A-8C95-4A6806948A28@internode.on.net>


On 10/06/2008, at 9:08 AM, William Minehane wrote:

> Maybe I am missing something so would appreciate ?help?

What you are missing is that the engine, when tank cooled, has no  
specified water level. That is for hopper cooling. When tank cooled  
the whole cooling space is full of water and beyond. The water level  
now has to be above the top pipe in the tank.
What happens then is when the water heats up it rises in the pipe and  
flows into the tank. That is why the top water pipe in the tank needs  
to be submerged to eliminate resistance to the flow. If the water in  
the tank is below the pipe, the water will have to be forced "up  
hill". Of course, as the water flows from the top, the cool water  
enters the bottom of the engine water jacket. Hope this makes sense.
A tank or radiator cooled engine does not rely on evaporation for  
cooling.

Eric


From pcgray at zoominternet.net  Tue Jun 10 12:30:26 2008
From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:30:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Vertical Half breed video
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1213113602.24502.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.3.1213113602.24502.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <3AC2EFFC-CB43-45F9-815E-FAD72792FDDE@zoominternet.net>

Hi all-
Just wanted to post a link to this youtube vid of my vertical half  
breed I made from a IHC sleeve and some pipe sections.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VPTtiTCesQY
Running on a hot tube and featuring epicyclic valve gearing (has  
anyone seen this in use on an engine before??).
I bought the steam frame 2 years ago at Coolspring from Maytag Mark.
Pix of the construction are on Harry's photo gallery site....
Still some issues with the governer spring and  detent latch springs  
as well as a coolant sealing problem which are solve-able.
Getting it running for the first time really put some starch in my  
jeans.
Enjoy-

Paul


From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Jun 10 14:30:04 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:30:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Vertical Half breed video
In-Reply-To: <3AC2EFFC-CB43-45F9-815E-FAD72792FDDE@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCECKHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Paul:

Congratulations on your unique engine.  Mine's coming along, but slowly.

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Paul +
> Colleen Gray
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 02:30 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Vertical Half breed video
> 
> 
> Hi all-
> Just wanted to post a link to this youtube vid of 
> my vertical half  
> breed I made from a IHC sleeve and some pipe sections.
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=VPTtiTCesQY
> Running on a hot tube and featuring epicyclic 
> valve gearing (has  
> anyone seen this in use on an engine before??).
> I bought the steam frame 2 years ago at 
> Coolspring from Maytag Mark.
> Pix of the construction are on Harry's photo 
> gallery site....
> Still some issues with the governer spring and  
> detent latch springs  
> as well as a coolant sealing problem which are solve-able.
> Getting it running for the first time really put 
> some starch in my  
> jeans.
> Enjoy-
> 
> Paul




From andyglines at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 10 13:41:46 2008
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:41:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SIAM this weekend
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1213113602.24502.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.3.1213113602.24502.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-W11CB89E1F076FA3C9E23A4C7B30@phx.gbl>


I'm going to try to be there.  If the clutch repair does not hold my engine will be STATIONARY.
> 4. SIAM this weekend (Keith Kinney)> Message: 4> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:06:43 -0400> From: Keith Kinney <kkinney at herculesengines.com>> Subject: [SEL] SIAM this weekend> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>> Message-ID: <402FD74F-E81F-4CAA-83D8-58B94160DB28 at herculesengines.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes> > >> Just checking, who is planning on attending the SIAM show this > weekend? Should be a good time.> Thanks.> Keith> > www.herculesengines.com
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jun 10 14:44:47 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:44:47 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Junkers HK65 Twin Cylinder 1936
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160805221032m376b1c4dt5a5f9d9724968e0c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160805221032m376b1c4dt5a5f9d9724968e0c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806101444h3f08084cjffcea8f65bb0cf1a@mail.gmail.com>

On 22/05/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Out of the blue, an old engine contact emailed me the other day,
> asking if I knew anyone that would be interested in an old Junkers
> engine, or maybe I would?
>

Drove up to Newark, Nottinghamshire this afternoon to collect the
engine and the assortment of bits that came with it, including the
marine hand starting gear and a number of parts from a second engine
that was scrapped.

Apparently both engines were found in a ditch, the vendor had photo's
of them both as found, which I have asked him to copy for me.

The engines were from a ship's tender, the ship being the Monte Rosa,
a repair ship for the Tirpitz at one time.

http://www.feldgrau.com/hs-monterosa.html

If you look up her later name 'Empire Windrush' she brought the first
load of immigrants from Jamaica to the UK in 1948.

We also brought back a lot of photocopied sales information for CLM
(Compagnie Lilloise de Moteurs) who produced these engines under
licence.

I'll get the camera clicking tomorrow.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Tue Jun 10 23:07:22 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:07:22 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Looking for engine man USA
Message-ID: <001b01c8cb89$6a0b6970$0200a8c0@altech>

Hi all

I am looking for an engine man, Roger Hansen, old email address that now 
bounces is rogerjh at netins.net

I have no address for him at all, please contact me OFF LIST if you can help 
to plowe at exemail.com.au

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jun 11 01:37:41 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:37:41 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Junkers HK65 Twin Cylinder 1936
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160806101444h3f08084cjffcea8f65bb0cf1a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160805221032m376b1c4dt5a5f9d9724968e0c@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160806101444h3f08084cjffcea8f65bb0cf1a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806110137s46f2796fp9ed4ea63485bbe78@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/06/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'll get the camera clicking tomorrow.
>

Eight pictures at:

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Junkers/Junkers15.jpg

through to

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Junkers/Junkers22.jpg

Peter
-- 
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http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From fsouthwell at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 11 02:15:09 2008
From: fsouthwell at googlemail.com (Fred Southwell)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:15:09 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Junkers HK65 Twin Cylinder 1936
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160806110137s46f2796fp9ed4ea63485bbe78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160805221032m376b1c4dt5a5f9d9724968e0c@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160806101444h3f08084cjffcea8f65bb0cf1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160806110137s46f2796fp9ed4ea63485bbe78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3bd33b2e0806110215h73688cafm14ff26ff2c85440d@mail.gmail.com>

Only one picture on each site Peter.
Fred

2008/6/11 Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>:

> On 10/06/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'll get the camera clicking tomorrow.
> >
>
> Eight pictures at:
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Junkers/Junkers15.jpg
>
> through to
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Junkers/Junkers22.jpg
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jun 11 02:25:58 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:25:58 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Junkers HK65 Twin Cylinder 1936
In-Reply-To: <3bd33b2e0806110215h73688cafm14ff26ff2c85440d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160805221032m376b1c4dt5a5f9d9724968e0c@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160806101444h3f08084cjffcea8f65bb0cf1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160806110137s46f2796fp9ed4ea63485bbe78@mail.gmail.com>
	<3bd33b2e0806110215h73688cafm14ff26ff2c85440d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806110225p43081abnbc8ee0a597fba3df@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/06/2008, Fred Southwell <fsouthwell at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Only one picture on each site Peter.
> Fred
>

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Junkers/Junkers15.jpg

Change that '15',  to: 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 and 22, Fred.

I didn't want to post a long list of url's

Peter
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From fsouthwell at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 11 06:26:23 2008
From: fsouthwell at googlemail.com (Fred Southwell)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:26:23 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Junkers HK65 Twin Cylinder 1936
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160806110225p43081abnbc8ee0a597fba3df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160805221032m376b1c4dt5a5f9d9724968e0c@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160806101444h3f08084cjffcea8f65bb0cf1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160806110137s46f2796fp9ed4ea63485bbe78@mail.gmail.com>
	<3bd33b2e0806110215h73688cafm14ff26ff2c85440d@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f6025160806110225p43081abnbc8ee0a597fba3df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3bd33b2e0806110626w71cab19bg999acfde4011828c@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Peter
Seems obvious now but initially too much for my brain!
2008/6/11 Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com>:

> On 11/06/2008, Fred Southwell <fsouthwell at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Only one picture on each site Peter.
> > Fred
> >
>
> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/Junkers/Junkers15.jpg
>
> Change that '15',  to: 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 and 22, Fred.
>
> I didn't want to post a long list of url's
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jun 11 08:01:38 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:01:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Junkers HK65 Twin Cylinder 1936
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160806110137s46f2796fp9ed4ea63485bbe78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEDHHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

Thanks for the pictures.  One question comes to mind.  On the rear of the engine just behind and below the injector pump and governor is a bracket that looks like a magneto mount.  What's it for?

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 03:38 AM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; Stationary-Engine
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Junkers HK65 Twin Cylinder 1936




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jun 11 07:34:14 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:34:14 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Junkers HK65 Twin Cylinder 1936
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEDHHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <6f6025160806110137s46f2796fp9ed4ea63485bbe78@mail.gmail.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBIEDHHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806110734rf97cf43yf04d9c1ff9a1d991@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/06/2008, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Peter:
>
> Thanks for the pictures.  One question comes to mind.  On the rear of the
> engine just behind and below the injector pump and governor is a bracket
> that looks like a magneto mount.  What's it for?
>
> Take care - Elden

Bilge pump on one side, circulation pump on the other (not fitted on
this engine)

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 11 10:17:34 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:17:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Vertical Half breed video
In-Reply-To: <3AC2EFFC-CB43-45F9-815E-FAD72792FDDE@zoominternet.net>
References: <mailman.3.1213113602.24502.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<3AC2EFFC-CB43-45F9-815E-FAD72792FDDE@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <BAY144-W47AA944697CB71B43A6B1995B20@phx.gbl>


Hi Paul, That's a beautiful engine you've built. I sure hope it comes to coolspring this year! Thanks for sharing it with us, Steve
 
 
 
 
 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jun 11 15:30:53 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:30:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] DIY V12 Engine
Message-ID: <1213223453.4850521df3999@webmail.city-net.com>

OK Folks,

It might be slightly OT, but it is engine related and it is bloody amazing to
boot!  A working origami V12 engine.

And for those of you who are clever, YOU can buy and build the kit!
Be the first kid on your block to own one.  Maybe even have it ready in time for
show & tell at Portland!!  Enjoy!!

http://www.yeesjob.com/
http://www.yeesjob.com/paper-model.htm
http://www.yeesjob.com/v12engine.htm
http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/06/the-amazing-ori.html

The mind boggles....

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com



From endacomm10 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 11 16:13:20 2008
From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:13:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Looking for engine man USA
In-Reply-To: <001b01c8cb89$6a0b6970$0200a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <82606.91749.qm@web51412.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=Roger+Hansen&amp;src=IE-SearchBox

--- On Wed, 6/11/08, Peter Lowe &lt;plowe at exemail.com.au&gt; wrote:

From: Peter Lowe &lt;plowe at exemail.com.au&gt;
Subject: [SEL] Looking for engine man USA
To: "ATIS" &lt;sel at lists.stationary-engine.com&gt;, "Oldengine.org" &lt;stationary-engine at oldengine.org&gt;
Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 2:07 AM

Hi all

I am looking for an engine man, Roger Hansen, old email address that now 
bounces is rogerjh at netins.net

I have no address for him at all, please contact me OFF LIST if you can help 
to plowe at exemail.com.au

Regards
Peter Lowe
R&amp;V Engine Registrar
Australia
Ph: 61-266453455
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm

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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jun 11 16:40:08 2008
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:40:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT. Grinder wiring
Message-ID: <20080611.164008.1960.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.  I recently picked up a Baldor grinder about 3/4 hp.  I say about
because the tag is missing.  It is wired now for 220V.  It has six wires
coming out of the motor, two to capacitors, #1&4 to the plug, and 2&3 are
wired together.  What combination do I need to run it on 110V?  I don't
think the two on the capacitor need to be changed as they are not
numbered.  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Wed Jun 11 18:22:19 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:22:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT. Grinder wiring
In-Reply-To: <20080611.164008.1960.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBCEEDHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron:

I -guess- that it makes sense to connect wire #1 to #3 and #2 to #4 then connect each of the tied pairs to 120 volts.

If t'were me, I'd stick a 150 watt 120 volt light bulb in series with the 120 volt line then plug it in.  The motor should slowly come up to speed if it's hooked up right.

If it comes up to speed, unplug it and take out the light bulb.  Plug it back in and you should be in biz.

Take care - Elden

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 06:40 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; 
> stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] OT. Grinder wiring
> 
> 
> Hi all.  I recently picked up a Baldor grinder 
> about 3/4 hp.  I say about
> because the tag is missing.  It is wired now for 
> 220V.  It has six wires
> coming out of the motor, two to capacitors, #1&4 
> to the plug, and 2&3 are
> wired together.  What combination do I need to 
> run it on 110V?  I don't
> think the two on the capacitor need to be changed 
> as they are not
> numbered.  Thanks.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 11 18:16:01 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:16:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] DIY V12 Engine
In-Reply-To: <1213223453.4850521df3999@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1213223453.4850521df3999@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY144-W3BD0E8B47A5BAC1CBE41295AD0@phx.gbl>


Yes folks, the mind boggles!!! Now we know what Arnie does when he has to miss Coolspring and go WORK in  Korea.    Why, I sure feel safe knowing that my nuclear engineer friend is making origami engines, while the atoms are splitting away in the back room. Oh...... I wish my dad had told me about an engineering career earlier in my life. Where would I be now?????? Steve 
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Jun 11 18:59:25 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:59:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT. Grinder wiring
In-Reply-To: <20080611.164008.1960.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20080611.164008.1960.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <DB2F6D46-9655-45A8-A95B-592477CC5758@rustyiron.com>

On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:40 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

> Hi all.  I recently picked up a Baldor grinder about 3/4 hp.  I say  
> about
> because the tag is missing.  It is wired now for 220V.  It has six  
> wires
> coming out of the motor, two to capacitors, #1&4 to the plug, and  
> 2&3 are
> wired together.  What combination do I need to run it on 110V?  I  
> don't
> think the two on the capacitor need to be changed as they are not
> numbered.  Thanks.

Hi Ron,
I don't work with single phase stuff, but three phase is standardized  
with a particular manner of numbering the wires.  If the logic is the  
same, then 1 and 2 should go together, as should 3 and 4.

If you want to do a preliminary test, you should read continuity  
between 1 and 3, and between 2 and 4.  If that is the case, hook it up  
as I suggested.

Rob




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jun 11 19:14:17 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:14:17 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Vertical Half breed video
In-Reply-To: <3AC2EFFC-CB43-45F9-815E-FAD72792FDDE@zoominternet.net>
References: <mailman.3.1213113602.24502.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<3AC2EFFC-CB43-45F9-815E-FAD72792FDDE@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <1213236857.48508679425da@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey Paul,

Man, that's just bloody awesome!!  I sure do hope that you'll have it at the
Fall Coolspring show cos I'm gonna miss the Spring one this month!  I'd LOVE to
see it up close and personal.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Paul + Colleen Gray <pcgray at zoominternet.net>:

> Just wanted to post a link to this youtube vid of my vertical half  
> breed I made from a IHC sleeve and some pipe sections.
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=VPTtiTCesQY
> Running on a hot tube and featuring epicyclic valve gearing (has  
> anyone seen this in use on an engine before??).




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jun 11 19:17:37 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:17:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] DIY V12 Engine
In-Reply-To: <BAY144-W3BD0E8B47A5BAC1CBE41295AD0@phx.gbl>
References: <1213223453.4850521df3999@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BAY144-W3BD0E8B47A5BAC1CBE41295AD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1213237057.4850874175e66@webmail.city-net.com>

Poorer...  8-))

Quoting Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>:

> Oh...... I wish my dad had told me about an
> engineering career earlier in my life. Where would I be now?????? Steve 



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jun 11 19:38:11 2008
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:38:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Baldor grinder
Message-ID: <20080611.193811.1960.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Thanks to all who responded.  It is now running nicely on 110V.  The
magic combination was 1&3 and 2&4.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From johnculp at btes.tv  Wed Jun 11 19:50:04 2008
From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:50:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] DIY V12 Engine
In-Reply-To: <1213237057.4850874175e66@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1213223453.4850521df3999@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BAY144-W3BD0E8B47A5BAC1CBE41295AD0@phx.gbl>
	<1213237057.4850874175e66@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <ee3dbe4d60a7793fbe752ea915201479@btes.tv>

Say it ain't so! Don't graduates of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics 
carry big rolls of bills and eat steak?

John

On Jun 11, 2008, at 10:17 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

> Poorer...  8-))
>
> Quoting Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com>:
>
>> Oh...... I wish my dad had told me about an
>> engineering career earlier in my life. Where would I be now?????? 
>> Steve


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA




From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Wed Jun 11 21:56:53 2008
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:56:53 EDT
Subject: [SEL] DIY V12 Engine
Message-ID: <c89.2c22811d.35820695@aol.com>

 
And remember, Bob at Bob's school guarantees he will  be satisfied with your 
money or it will be promptly returned with no questions  asked.
 
Ron
 
In a message dated 6/11/2008 9:58:32 PM Central Daylight Time,  
johnculp at btes.tv writes:

Say it  ain't so! Don't graduates of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics 
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Jun 12 03:24:38 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:24:38 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Barlow engine parts wanted
Message-ID: <001801c8cc76$84a14d70$0200a8c0@altech>

Hi all Aussies

Does anyone have a spare Barlow D model carby and fuel tank for sale???

Regards
Peter, Oz


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jun 12 03:40:16 2008
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:40:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Barlow engine parts wanted
References: <001801c8cc76$84a14d70$0200a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <002101c8cc78$b5c2e650$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I really wish you luck with this hunt.
I aint holding my breath though.
I think you might be trying to borrow and copy very soon.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Oldengine.org" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 8:24 PM
Subject: [SEL] Barlow engine parts wanted


> Hi all Aussies
>
> Does anyone have a spare Barlow D model carby and fuel tank for sale???
>
> Regards
> Peter, Oz
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Thu Jun 12 04:16:42 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:16:42 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Barlow engine parts wanted
References: <001801c8cc76$84a14d70$0200a8c0@altech>
	<002101c8cc78$b5c2e650$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <003101c8cc7d$cac81e30$0200a8c0@altech>

Hi Reg
This is for a guy in Queensland, I have a complete Barlow D myself.
His has the hard to find "Power Transmission Mechanism" that geared part 
that reverses the drive pulley to run a separator, IF I can find some Barlow 
parts I can do a deal in getting a casting of the mechanism. Yes, I know 
they are like Horse Poo, RARE.
Pete, Oz




>I really wish you luck with this hunt.
> I aint holding my breath though.
> I think you might be trying to borrow and copy very soon.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.


>
>
>> Hi all Aussies
>>
>> Does anyone have a spare Barlow D model carby and fuel tank for sale???
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter, Oz
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>
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Jun 12 04:58:36 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:58:36 +1000
Subject: [SEL] OT: Brakes put on eBay
Message-ID: <20080612115827.GITH1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

This may be interesting to those of us silly enough to look at eBay ;)

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23855480-29277,00.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jun 12 20:42:49 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:42:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
Message-ID: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>

Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the dig". 

I acquired a 4 HP Springfield Type B that is missing parts.  Here's some 
background and how this story is believed to have come about.  A man 
named Hannebaum, from Missouri, worked in the Ohio works of the 
Springfield Gas Engine shop in the 1890's.  He was quite the engineer 
and its very possible the Type B Springfield was his design.  He moved 
back to Missouri, near Springfield, and either brought the patterns with 
him or possibly engine castings.  A few of the Type B Springfield style 
engines were built, tagged with the Hannebaum name.  One was a 4 (or 
believed to be a 4) HP that was installed in a grain elevator in 
Billings, MO. 

It ran until 1945 when it was removed from service.  It was purchased 
and taken to a farm a few miles from town when the engine was dismantled 
and a wedge bolted on the piston to make a woodsplitter.  After being 
used a few years the engine was set in the fence row where it remained 
until a few years ago.  One of the family members, now in his 90's. 
stated that he knew all the parts for the engine were still there on the 
farm and knows close proximity to where they are located.  I have 
visited the site and believe him as its sort of like walking back in time. 

Where he believes the parts are located has a large amount of scrap 
iron, junk, growth, etc and will require some work to pick through, dig, 
etc.

The parts possible there include the intake and exhaust valve cage, the 
cross slide mechanism, the ignitor, governor, gas valve and other small 
parts.  This will be a bit like digging for gold.

Now the question is, are there any folks out there game to make a 
digging excursion with me?  I have a friend who can bring in a skid 
steer and he'll spray to kill all the vegetation a couple weeks before 
the dig could begin.  I think the project, with 5 or 6 folks working, 
could be completed in a day and a half.  I've got shovels, picks, etc 
but I would need to access a metal detector to do the job right.

I'd provide the meals, hotel room, and all the fire water needed.  We 
could gather at my place and then I'd transport everyone down to the 
site, which is about an 8 hour drive.

Just something to think about.  I'll probably try to do this excursion 
in mid July.

Tommy Turner




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Jun 12 21:10:50 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:10:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <4851F34A.6060805@scrtc.com>

I should have added that I think we'll document this effort well, 
photos, etc. as I think it would make a great GEM story.

TT



Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

>Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the dig". 
>
>I acquired a 4 HP Springfield Type B that is missing parts.  Here's some 
>background and how this story is believed to have come about.  A man 
>named Hannebaum, from Missouri, worked in the Ohio works of the 
>Springfield Gas Engine shop in the 1890's.  He was quite the engineer 
>and its very possible the Type B Springfield was his design.  He moved 
>back to Missouri, near Springfield, and either brought the patterns with 
>him or possibly engine castings.  A few of the Type B Springfield style 
>engines were built, tagged with the Hannebaum name.  One was a 4 (or 
>believed to be a 4) HP that was installed in a grain elevator in 
>Billings, MO. 
>
>It ran until 1945 when it was removed from service.  It was purchased 
>and taken to a farm a few miles from town when the engine was dismantled 
>and a wedge bolted on the piston to make a woodsplitter.  After being 
>used a few years the engine was set in the fence row where it remained 
>until a few years ago.  One of the family members, now in his 90's. 
>stated that he knew all the parts for the engine were still there on the 
>farm and knows close proximity to where they are located.  I have 
>visited the site and believe him as its sort of like walking back in time. 
>
>Where he believes the parts are located has a large amount of scrap 
>iron, junk, growth, etc and will require some work to pick through, dig, 
>etc.
>
>The parts possible there include the intake and exhaust valve cage, the 
>cross slide mechanism, the ignitor, governor, gas valve and other small 
>parts.  This will be a bit like digging for gold.
>
>Now the question is, are there any folks out there game to make a 
>digging excursion with me?  I have a friend who can bring in a skid 
>steer and he'll spray to kill all the vegetation a couple weeks before 
>the dig could begin.  I think the project, with 5 or 6 folks working, 
>could be completed in a day and a half.  I've got shovels, picks, etc 
>but I would need to access a metal detector to do the job right.
>
>I'd provide the meals, hotel room, and all the fire water needed.  We 
>could gather at my place and then I'd transport everyone down to the 
>site, which is about an 8 hour drive.
>
>Just something to think about.  I'll probably try to do this excursion 
>in mid July.
>
>Tommy Turner
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>


From alharris44 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 21:22:44 2008
From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:22:44 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>

Tommy, that sounds as if it came right out of a Travel Brochure.

I think I can say without any fear of contradiction that quite 
a few "downunder" would be mighty pleased to accept your 
generous July offer. Just send blank cheques. :-)

Al Harris
Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz


Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the dig". 
> 
> I acquired a 4 HP Springfield Type B that is missing parts.  Here's some 
> background and how this story is believed to have come about.  A man 
> named Hannebaum, from Missouri, worked in the Ohio works of the 
> Springfield Gas Engine shop in the 1890's.  He was quite the engineer 
> and its very possible the Type B Springfield was his design.  He moved 
> back to Missouri, near Springfield, and either brought the patterns with 
> him or possibly engine castings.  A few of the Type B Springfield style 
> engines were built, tagged with the Hannebaum name.  One was a 4 (or 
> believed to be a 4) HP that was installed in a grain elevator in 
> Billings, MO. 
> 
> It ran until 1945 when it was removed from service.  It was purchased 
> and taken to a farm a few miles from town when the engine was dismantled 
> and a wedge bolted on the piston to make a woodsplitter.  After being 
> used a few years the engine was set in the fence row where it remained 
> until a few years ago.  One of the family members, now in his 90's. 
> stated that he knew all the parts for the engine were still there on the 
> farm and knows close proximity to where they are located.  I have 
> visited the site and believe him as its sort of like walking back in time. 
> 
> Where he believes the parts are located has a large amount of scrap 
> iron, junk, growth, etc and will require some work to pick through, dig, 
> etc.
> 
> The parts possible there include the intake and exhaust valve cage, the 
> cross slide mechanism, the ignitor, governor, gas valve and other small 
> parts.  This will be a bit like digging for gold.
> 
> Now the question is, are there any folks out there game to make a 
> digging excursion with me?  I have a friend who can bring in a skid 
> steer and he'll spray to kill all the vegetation a couple weeks before 
> the dig could begin.  I think the project, with 5 or 6 folks working, 
> could be completed in a day and a half.  I've got shovels, picks, etc 
> but I would need to access a metal detector to do the job right.
> 
> I'd provide the meals, hotel room, and all the fire water needed.  We 
> could gather at my place and then I'd transport everyone down to the 
> site, which is about an 8 hour drive.
> 
> Just something to think about.  I'll probably try to do this excursion 
> in mid July.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> 
> 
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From alharris44 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 21:25:09 2008
From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:25:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <4851F34A.6060805@scrtc.com>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com> <4851F34A.6060805@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <4851F6A5.6040402@gmail.com>

How careless of me, of course I'll bring my camera. ;-)

AH

Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> I should have added that I think we'll document this effort well, 
> photos, etc. as I think it would make a great GEM story.
> 
> TT
> 


From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 12 21:31:05 2008
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:31:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <4851F34A.6060805@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c8cd0e$4dbb0ec0$6401a8c0@OFFICELEW>

Hey Tommy 

Wish it wasn't so far from TX!

Lew near Waco, TX

-----Original Message-----
 
I should have added that I think we'll document this effort well, 
photos, etc. as I think it would make a great GEM story.

TT







From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jun 13 03:21:51 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:21:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com> <4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c8cd3f$4be03e00$0200a8c0@altech>

Hi Tommy
Well then, Al Harris is only across the river from me (10 mile) and if he is 
travelling from Oz, he will need a travelling companion to keep him company 
for the 21 hour flight, "First Class" of course.
We both await the mail man with our air tickets and look forward to putting 
in a hard days work with you mate..

Peter, Oz




> Tommy, that sounds as if it came right out of a Travel Brochure.
>
> I think I can say without any fear of contradiction that quite
> a few "downunder" would be mighty pleased to accept your
> generous July offer. Just send blank cheques. :-)
>
> Al Harris
> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>
>
> Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>> Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the dig".
>>
>> I acquired a 4 HP Springfield Type B that is missing parts.  Here's some
>> background and how this story is believed to have come about.  A man
>> named Hannebaum, from Missouri, worked in the Ohio works of the
>> Springfield Gas Engine shop in the 1890's.  He was quite the engineer
>> and its very possible the Type B Springfield was his design.  He moved
>> back to Missouri, near Springfield, and either brought the patterns with
>> him or possibly engine castings.  A few of the Type B Springfield style
>> engines were built, tagged with the Hannebaum name.  One was a 4 (or
>> believed to be a 4) HP that was installed in a grain elevator in
>> Billings, MO.
>>
>> It ran until 1945 when it was removed from service.  It was purchased
>> and taken to a farm a few miles from town when the engine was dismantled
>> and a wedge bolted on the piston to make a woodsplitter.  After being
>> used a few years the engine was set in the fence row where it remained
>> until a few years ago.  One of the family members, now in his 90's.
>> stated that he knew all the parts for the engine were still there on the
>> farm and knows close proximity to where they are located.  I have
>> visited the site and believe him as its sort of like walking back in 
>> time.
>>
>> Where he believes the parts are located has a large amount of scrap
>> iron, junk, growth, etc and will require some work to pick through, dig,
>> etc.
>>
>> The parts possible there include the intake and exhaust valve cage, the
>> cross slide mechanism, the ignitor, governor, gas valve and other small
>> parts.  This will be a bit like digging for gold.
>>
>> Now the question is, are there any folks out there game to make a
>> digging excursion with me?  I have a friend who can bring in a skid
>> steer and he'll spray to kill all the vegetation a couple weeks before
>> the dig could begin.  I think the project, with 5 or 6 folks working,
>> could be completed in a day and a half.  I've got shovels, picks, etc
>> but I would need to access a metal detector to do the job right.
>>
>> I'd provide the meals, hotel room, and all the fire water needed.  We
>> could gather at my place and then I'd transport everyone down to the
>> site, which is about an 8 hour drive.
>>
>> Just something to think about.  I'll probably try to do this excursion
>> in mid July.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jun 13 04:03:39 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:03:39 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Barlow engine info
Message-ID: <008201c8cd45$22df5bc0$0200a8c0@altech>

Hi all, what spark plug does a Barlow D model use please. ???

Peter, Oz


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jun 13 04:37:01 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 07:37:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <003d01c8cd3f$4be03e00$0200a8c0@altech>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com> <4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>
	<003d01c8cd3f$4be03e00$0200a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <48525BDD.7000502@scrtc.com>

Peter,
    I'll probably have to send you tickets to travel by boat....... not 
sure if we have any SEL members in the Springfield, MO area or have any 
close enough to me that they would meet me at my place and me take them 
to the site or not.  If not, I'm sure if I can find an interpreter that 
speaks Spanish I can find all the "dig help" I need (for a little $$$ 
and a lot of fire water that is).

Tommy Turner



Peter Lowe wrote:

>Hi Tommy
>Well then, Al Harris is only across the river from me (10 mile) and if he is 
>travelling from Oz, he will need a travelling companion to keep him company 
>for the 21 hour flight, "First Class" of course.
>We both await the mail man with our air tickets and look forward to putting 
>in a hard days work with you mate..
>
>Peter, Oz
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>>Tommy, that sounds as if it came right out of a Travel Brochure.
>>
>>I think I can say without any fear of contradiction that quite
>>a few "downunder" would be mighty pleased to accept your
>>generous July offer. Just send blank cheques. :-)
>>
>>Al Harris
>>Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>>
>>
>>Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the dig".
>>>
>>>I acquired a 4 HP Springfield Type B that is missing parts.  Here's some
>>>background and how this story is believed to have come about.  A man
>>>named Hannebaum, from Missouri, worked in the Ohio works of the
>>>Springfield Gas Engine shop in the 1890's.  He was quite the engineer
>>>and its very possible the Type B Springfield was his design.  He moved
>>>back to Missouri, near Springfield, and either brought the patterns with
>>>him or possibly engine castings.  A few of the Type B Springfield style
>>>engines were built, tagged with the Hannebaum name.  One was a 4 (or
>>>believed to be a 4) HP that was installed in a grain elevator in
>>>Billings, MO.
>>>
>>>It ran until 1945 when it was removed from service.  It was purchased
>>>and taken to a farm a few miles from town when the engine was dismantled
>>>and a wedge bolted on the piston to make a woodsplitter.  After being
>>>used a few years the engine was set in the fence row where it remained
>>>until a few years ago.  One of the family members, now in his 90's.
>>>stated that he knew all the parts for the engine were still there on the
>>>farm and knows close proximity to where they are located.  I have
>>>visited the site and believe him as its sort of like walking back in 
>>>time.
>>>
>>>Where he believes the parts are located has a large amount of scrap
>>>iron, junk, growth, etc and will require some work to pick through, dig,
>>>etc.
>>>
>>>The parts possible there include the intake and exhaust valve cage, the
>>>cross slide mechanism, the ignitor, governor, gas valve and other small
>>>parts.  This will be a bit like digging for gold.
>>>
>>>Now the question is, are there any folks out there game to make a
>>>digging excursion with me?  I have a friend who can bring in a skid
>>>steer and he'll spray to kill all the vegetation a couple weeks before
>>>the dig could begin.  I think the project, with 5 or 6 folks working,
>>>could be completed in a day and a half.  I've got shovels, picks, etc
>>>but I would need to access a metal detector to do the job right.
>>>
>>>I'd provide the meals, hotel room, and all the fire water needed.  We
>>>could gather at my place and then I'd transport everyone down to the
>>>site, which is about an 8 hour drive.
>>>
>>>Just something to think about.  I'll probably try to do this excursion
>>>in mid July.
>>>
>>>Tommy Turner
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>    
>>
>
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>
>
>
>  
>


From plowe at exemail.com.au  Fri Jun 13 04:57:39 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:57:39 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>
	<4851F614.2060409@gmail.com><003d01c8cd3f$4be03e00$0200a8c0@altech>
	<48525BDD.7000502@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <000301c8cd4c$ada995c0$0200a8c0@altech>

You're a smart man Tommy, $$$$ plus fire water will get you  a hole to 
China, cheap ;-)))
Darn and I don't speak Spanish. :-)

Peter, Oz




> Peter,
>    I'll probably have to send you tickets to travel by boat....... not
> sure if we have any SEL members in the Springfield, MO area or have any
> close enough to me that they would meet me at my place and me take them
> to the site or not.  If not, I'm sure if I can find an interpreter that
> speaks Spanish I can find all the "dig help" I need (for a little $$$
> and a lot of fire water that is).
>
> Tommy Turner
>
>
>
> Peter Lowe wrote:
>
>>Hi Tommy
>>Well then, Al Harris is only across the river from me (10 mile) and if he 
>>is
>>travelling from Oz, he will need a travelling companion to keep him 
>>company
>>for the 21 hour flight, "First Class" of course.
>>We both await the mail man with our air tickets and look forward to 
>>putting
>>in a hard days work with you mate..
>>
>>Peter, Oz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Tommy, that sounds as if it came right out of a Travel Brochure.
>>>
>>>I think I can say without any fear of contradiction that quite
>>>a few "downunder" would be mighty pleased to accept your
>>>generous July offer. Just send blank cheques. :-)
>>>
>>>Al Harris
>>>Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>>>
>>>
>>>Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the 
>>>>dig".
>>>>
>>>>I acquired a 4 HP Springfield Type B that is missing parts.  Here's some
>>>>background and how this story is believed to have come about.  A man
>>>>named Hannebaum, from Missouri, worked in the Ohio works of the
>>>>Springfield Gas Engine shop in the 1890's.  He was quite the engineer
>>>>and its very possible the Type B Springfield was his design.  He moved
>>>>back to Missouri, near Springfield, and either brought the patterns with
>>>>him or possibly engine castings.  A few of the Type B Springfield style
>>>>engines were built, tagged with the Hannebaum name.  One was a 4 (or
>>>>believed to be a 4) HP that was installed in a grain elevator in
>>>>Billings, MO.
>>>>
>>>>It ran until 1945 when it was removed from service.  It was purchased
>>>>and taken to a farm a few miles from town when the engine was dismantled
>>>>and a wedge bolted on the piston to make a woodsplitter.  After being
>>>>used a few years the engine was set in the fence row where it remained
>>>>until a few years ago.  One of the family members, now in his 90's.
>>>>stated that he knew all the parts for the engine were still there on the
>>>>farm and knows close proximity to where they are located.  I have
>>>>visited the site and believe him as its sort of like walking back in
>>>>time.
>>>>
>>>>Where he believes the parts are located has a large amount of scrap
>>>>iron, junk, growth, etc and will require some work to pick through, dig,
>>>>etc.
>>>>
>>>>The parts possible there include the intake and exhaust valve cage, the
>>>>cross slide mechanism, the ignitor, governor, gas valve and other small
>>>>parts.  This will be a bit like digging for gold.
>>>>
>>>>Now the question is, are there any folks out there game to make a
>>>>digging excursion with me?  I have a friend who can bring in a skid
>>>>steer and he'll spray to kill all the vegetation a couple weeks before
>>>>the dig could begin.  I think the project, with 5 or 6 folks working,
>>>>could be completed in a day and a half.  I've got shovels, picks, etc
>>>>but I would need to access a metal detector to do the job right.
>>>>
>>>>I'd provide the meals, hotel room, and all the fire water needed.  We
>>>>could gather at my place and then I'd transport everyone down to the
>>>>site, which is about an 8 hour drive.
>>>>
>>>>Just something to think about.  I'll probably try to do this excursion
>>>>in mid July.
>>>>
>>>>Tommy Turner
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>SEL mailing list
>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jun 13 05:09:59 2008
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:09:59 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com> <4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>
	<003d01c8cd3f$4be03e00$0200a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <015701c8cd4e$82659e20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Er, Tom, Make that three!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig


> Hi Tommy
> Well then, Al Harris is only across the river from me (10 mile) and if he 
> is
> travelling from Oz, he will need a travelling companion to keep him 
> company
> for the 21 hour flight, "First Class" of course.
> We both await the mail man with our air tickets and look forward to 
> putting
> in a hard days work with you mate..
>
> Peter, Oz
>
>
>
>
>> Tommy, that sounds as if it came right out of a Travel Brochure.
>>
>> I think I can say without any fear of contradiction that quite
>> a few "downunder" would be mighty pleased to accept your
>> generous July offer. Just send blank cheques. :-)
>>
>> Al Harris
>> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>>
>>
>> Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>>> Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the 
>>> dig".
>>>
>>> I acquired a 4 HP Springfield Type B that is missing parts.  Here's some
>>> background and how this story is believed to have come about.  A man
>>> named Hannebaum, from Missouri, worked in the Ohio works of the
>>> Springfield Gas Engine shop in the 1890's.  He was quite the engineer
>>> and its very possible the Type B Springfield was his design.  He moved
>>> back to Missouri, near Springfield, and either brought the patterns with
>>> him or possibly engine castings.  A few of the Type B Springfield style
>>> engines were built, tagged with the Hannebaum name.  One was a 4 (or
>>> believed to be a 4) HP that was installed in a grain elevator in
>>> Billings, MO.
>>>
>>> It ran until 1945 when it was removed from service.  It was purchased
>>> and taken to a farm a few miles from town when the engine was dismantled
>>> and a wedge bolted on the piston to make a woodsplitter.  After being
>>> used a few years the engine was set in the fence row where it remained
>>> until a few years ago.  One of the family members, now in his 90's.
>>> stated that he knew all the parts for the engine were still there on the
>>> farm and knows close proximity to where they are located.  I have
>>> visited the site and believe him as its sort of like walking back in
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Where he believes the parts are located has a large amount of scrap
>>> iron, junk, growth, etc and will require some work to pick through, dig,
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> The parts possible there include the intake and exhaust valve cage, the
>>> cross slide mechanism, the ignitor, governor, gas valve and other small
>>> parts.  This will be a bit like digging for gold.
>>>
>>> Now the question is, are there any folks out there game to make a
>>> digging excursion with me?  I have a friend who can bring in a skid
>>> steer and he'll spray to kill all the vegetation a couple weeks before
>>> the dig could begin.  I think the project, with 5 or 6 folks working,
>>> could be completed in a day and a half.  I've got shovels, picks, etc
>>> but I would need to access a metal detector to do the job right.
>>>
>>> I'd provide the meals, hotel room, and all the fire water needed.  We
>>> could gather at my place and then I'd transport everyone down to the
>>> site, which is about an 8 hour drive.
>>>
>>> Just something to think about.  I'll probably try to do this excursion
>>> in mid July.
>>>
>>> Tommy Turner
>>>
>>>
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>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Jun 13 05:12:09 2008
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:12:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>
	<4851F614.2060409@gmail.com><003d01c8cd3f$4be03e00$0200a8c0@altech>
	<48525BDD.7000502@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <016101c8cd4e$b5dcaaa0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Aw! fussy about who helps him, eh!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig


> Peter,
>    I'll probably have to send you tickets to travel by boat....... not
> sure if we have any SEL members in the Springfield, MO area or have any
> close enough to me that they would meet me at my place and me take them
> to the site or not.  If not, I'm sure if I can find an interpreter that
> speaks Spanish I can find all the "dig help" I need (for a little $$$
> and a lot of fire water that is).
>
> Tommy Turner
>
>
>
> Peter Lowe wrote:
>
>>Hi Tommy
>>Well then, Al Harris is only across the river from me (10 mile) and if he 
>>is
>>travelling from Oz, he will need a travelling companion to keep him 
>>company
>>for the 21 hour flight, "First Class" of course.
>>We both await the mail man with our air tickets and look forward to 
>>putting
>>in a hard days work with you mate..
>>
>>Peter, Oz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Tommy, that sounds as if it came right out of a Travel Brochure.
>>>
>>>I think I can say without any fear of contradiction that quite
>>>a few "downunder" would be mighty pleased to accept your
>>>generous July offer. Just send blank cheques. :-)
>>>
>>>Al Harris
>>>Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>>>
>>>
>>>Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the 
>>>>dig".
>>>>
>>>>I acquired a 4 HP Springfield Type B that is missing parts.  Here's some
>>>>background and how this story is believed to have come about.  A man
>>>>named Hannebaum, from Missouri, worked in the Ohio works of the
>>>>Springfield Gas Engine shop in the 1890's.  He was quite the engineer
>>>>and its very possible the Type B Springfield was his design.  He moved
>>>>back to Missouri, near Springfield, and either brought the patterns with
>>>>him or possibly engine castings.  A few of the Type B Springfield style
>>>>engines were built, tagged with the Hannebaum name.  One was a 4 (or
>>>>believed to be a 4) HP that was installed in a grain elevator in
>>>>Billings, MO.
>>>>
>>>>It ran until 1945 when it was removed from service.  It was purchased
>>>>and taken to a farm a few miles from town when the engine was dismantled
>>>>and a wedge bolted on the piston to make a woodsplitter.  After being
>>>>used a few years the engine was set in the fence row where it remained
>>>>until a few years ago.  One of the family members, now in his 90's.
>>>>stated that he knew all the parts for the engine were still there on the
>>>>farm and knows close proximity to where they are located.  I have
>>>>visited the site and believe him as its sort of like walking back in
>>>>time.
>>>>
>>>>Where he believes the parts are located has a large amount of scrap
>>>>iron, junk, growth, etc and will require some work to pick through, dig,
>>>>etc.
>>>>
>>>>The parts possible there include the intake and exhaust valve cage, the
>>>>cross slide mechanism, the ignitor, governor, gas valve and other small
>>>>parts.  This will be a bit like digging for gold.
>>>>
>>>>Now the question is, are there any folks out there game to make a
>>>>digging excursion with me?  I have a friend who can bring in a skid
>>>>steer and he'll spray to kill all the vegetation a couple weeks before
>>>>the dig could begin.  I think the project, with 5 or 6 folks working,
>>>>could be completed in a day and a half.  I've got shovels, picks, etc
>>>>but I would need to access a metal detector to do the job right.
>>>>
>>>>I'd provide the meals, hotel room, and all the fire water needed.  We
>>>>could gather at my place and then I'd transport everyone down to the
>>>>site, which is about an 8 hour drive.
>>>>
>>>>Just something to think about.  I'll probably try to do this excursion
>>>>in mid July.
>>>>
>>>>Tommy Turner
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>SEL mailing list
>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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From alharris44 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 05:29:32 2008
From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:29:32 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <016101c8cd4e$b5dcaaa0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>	<4851F614.2060409@gmail.com><003d01c8cd3f$4be03e00$0200a8c0@altech>	<48525BDD.7000502@scrtc.com>
	<016101c8cd4e$b5dcaaa0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <4852682C.8060400@gmail.com>

Yeah, who wants ta go ta Montana anyhoo. I was looking to get 
some heavy FMZ parts back over the Pacific, free. ;-)

Al Harris

R & M Ingold wrote:
> Aw! fussy about who helps him, eh!
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
> 
> 
>> Peter,
>>    I'll probably have to send you tickets to travel by boat....... not
>> sure if we have any SEL members in the Springfield, MO area or have any
>> close enough to me that they would meet me at my place and me take them
>> to the site or not.  If not, I'm sure if I can find an interpreter that
>> speaks Spanish I can find all the "dig help" I need (for a little $$$
>> and a lot of fire water that is).
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Lowe wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tommy
>>> Well then, Al Harris is only across the river from me (10 mile) and if he 
>>> is
>>> travelling from Oz, he will need a travelling companion to keep him 
>>> company
>>> for the 21 hour flight, "First Class" of course.
>>> We both await the mail man with our air tickets and look forward to 
>>> putting
>>> in a hard days work with you mate..
>>>
>>> Peter, Oz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Tommy, that sounds as if it came right out of a Travel Brochure.
>>>>
>>>> I think I can say without any fear of contradiction that quite
>>>> a few "downunder" would be mighty pleased to accept your
>>>> generous July offer. Just send blank cheques. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Al Harris
>>>> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz


From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Jun 13 06:39:04 2008
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:39:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <48525BDD.7000502@scrtc.com>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>
	<4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>	<003d01c8cd3f$4be03e00$0200a8c0@altech>
	<48525BDD.7000502@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <48527878.1060205@telenet.net>

Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> Peter,
>     I'll probably have to send you tickets to travel by boat....... not 
> sure if we have any SEL members in the Springfield, MO area or have any 
> close enough to me that they would meet me at my place and me take them 
> to the site or not.  If not, I'm sure if I can find an interpreter that 
> speaks Spanish I can find all the "dig help" I need (for a little $$$ 
> and a lot of fire water that is).
> 
> Tommy Turner
> 
> 

Sounds like a great opportunity to do some "creative sentencing" of a 
few miscreants. I would say that cleaning up a potential health hazard 
(all that rusty iron might be an attractant to the "wrong" people you 
know) qualifies as community service.


-- 
Steve Williams
Firefighter,EMT, Fire Police
VanHornesville Vol. Fire Dept


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jun 13 08:06:06 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:06:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <48527878.1060205@telenet.net>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>	<4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>	<003d01c8cd3f$4be03e00$0200a8c0@altech>	<48525BDD.7000502@scrtc.com>
	<48527878.1060205@telenet.net>
Message-ID: <48528CDE.7070606@scrtc.com>

Yeah Steve, I've thought about that.  Now if this location was in KY, we 
might be able to pull it off.  Since its in MO I'd have to get a MO 
charge on them..... that's possible too!

Tommy Turner


>Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>  
>
>>Peter,
>>    I'll probably have to send you tickets to travel by boat....... not 
>>sure if we have any SEL members in the Springfield, MO area or have any 
>>close enough to me that they would meet me at my place and me take them 
>>to the site or not.  If not, I'm sure if I can find an interpreter that 
>>speaks Spanish I can find all the "dig help" I need (for a little $$$ 
>>and a lot of fire water that is).
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Sounds like a great opportunity to do some "creative sentencing" of a 
>few miscreants. I would say that cleaning up a potential health hazard 
>(all that rusty iron might be an attractant to the "wrong" people you 
>know) qualifies as community service.
>
>
>  
>



From bgrimley at bellsouth.net  Fri Jun 13 10:09:49 2008
From: bgrimley at bellsouth.net (bgrimley at bellsouth.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:09:49 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <061320081709.14831.4852A9DC000B988C000039EF22230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970A0403079D090D@att.net>


 Sounds like Tom Sawyer has been reincarnated, but has graduated from painting picket fences to excavating 
 junk piles - and in the middle of July! . Around here scrap iron brings $15 US per 100 lbs  - can you take all of it to junk yard?  Any rare bottles in there?
Bill in NC.   
 -------------- Original message from Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>: --------------


> Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the dig". 
> 
> I acquired a 4 HP Springfield Type B that is missing parts.  Here's some 
> background and how this story is believed to have come about.  A man 
> named Hannebaum, from Missouri, worked in the Ohio works of the 
> Springfield Gas Engine shop in the 1890's.  He was quite the engineer 
> and its very possible the Type B Springfield was his design.  He moved 
> back to Missouri, near Springfield, and either brought the patterns with 
> him or possibly engine castings.  A few of the Type B Springfield style 
> engines were built, tagged with the Hannebaum name.  One was a 4 (or 
> believed to be a 4) HP that was installed in a grain elevator in 
> Billings, MO. 
> 
> It ran until 1945 when it was removed from service.  It was purchased 
> and taken to a farm a few miles from town when the engine was dismantled 
> and a wedge bolted on the piston to make a woodsplitter.  After being 
> used a few years the engine was set in the fence row where it remained 
> until a few years ago.  One of the family members, now in his 90's. 
> stated that he knew all the parts for the engine were still there on the 
> farm and knows close proximity to where they are located.  I have 
> visited the site and believe him as its sort of like walking back in time. 
> 
> Where he believes the parts are located has a large amount of scrap 
> iron, junk, growth, etc and will require some work to pick through, dig, 
> etc.
> 
> The parts possible there include the intake and exhaust valve cage, the 
> cross slide mechanism, the ignitor, governor, gas valve and other small 
> parts.  This will be a bit like digging for gold.
> 
> Now the question is, are there any folks out there game to make a 
> digging excursion with me?  I have a friend who can bring in a skid 
> steer and he'll spray to kill all the vegetation a couple weeks before 
> the dig could begin.  I think the project, with 5 or 6 folks working, 
> could be completed in a day and a half.  I've got shovels, picks, etc 
> but I would need to access a metal detector to do the job right.
> 
> I'd provide the meals, hotel room, and all the fire water needed.  We 
> could gather at my place and then I'd transport everyone down to the 
> site, which is about an 8 hour drive.
> 
> Just something to think about.  I'll probably try to do this excursion 
> in mid July.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel  

From alharris44 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 13:41:49 2008
From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:41:49 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <061320081709.14831.4852A9DC000B988C000039EF22230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970A0403079D090D@att.net>
References: <061320081709.14831.4852A9DC000B988C000039EF22230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970A0403079D090D@att.net>
Message-ID: <4852DB8D.4010104@gmail.com>

The very relevant part of your post Bill is "scrap iron".

Metal recyclers in Oz are not discriminating between heritage 
value and scrap as they scour the properties (farms) for 
"laydown paddocks" and the majority of "cockies" (owners) are 
only too happy, in these hard times, to not even consider what 
pieces of value are being crushed/compacted. It's a sin.

Al Harris
Clarence Coast NSW Oz

bgrimley at bellsouth.net wrote:
>  Sounds like Tom Sawyer has been reincarnated, but has graduated from painting picket fences to excavating 
>  junk piles - and in the middle of July! . Around here scrap iron brings $15 US per 100 lbs  - can you take all of it to junk yard?  Any rare bottles in there?
> Bill in NC.   


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Jun 13 14:46:02 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:46:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Quality over the years
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613214338.00be2680@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613214338.00be2680@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <A59DB338-D2C5-4172-81BF-F67554504B6D@rustyiron.com>

On Jun 13, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:
> Anyway, to end an extremely long winded post - what are other list  
> members's thoughts on the subject?

Hi Jerry,
I have thoughts on the matter, but from the perspective of a Gringo.   
Off the top of my head, the engines I've owned have been American,  
Canadian, English and Scottish.  Without exception, the European  
engines have been of superior design and workmanship.  The Euros just  
put more effort into the deal.

The Americans and the Canadians, on the other hand, cut corners in  
design and workmanship, allowing them to produce engines at a more  
economical cost.

Waddaya wanna drive, a Ferrari or a Chevy?  That's the great thing  
about a free economy:  there's something for everyone.

Rob

P.S.
Would your mum have been able to make a living selling high-quality  
grinders at 50 ZAR a pop?











From alharris44 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 15:17:07 2008
From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:17:07 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Quality over the years
In-Reply-To: <A59DB338-D2C5-4172-81BF-F67554504B6D@rustyiron.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613214338.00be2680@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<A59DB338-D2C5-4172-81BF-F67554504B6D@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <4852F1E3.2050005@gmail.com>

Don't forget the ingenuity of "Ozzie's", Jerry and Rob.

We imported the lot, pinched a few good designs, made others 
under license and adapted them for our own use.

Then we maintained them with fencing wire and baling twine 
until they died, then laid them to rest in the "lay down" 
paddocks.

Then we had to learn to speak Jinglish, Taiwanglish and now 
Chinaglish to read the manuals of our new imports.

I have always hated the introduction of the "throw away 
society". I still attempt to repair before replacing.

Showing my age eh.

Al Harris
Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz

Rob Skinner wrote:
> On Jun 13, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:
>> Anyway, to end an extremely long winded post - what are other list  
>> members's thoughts on the subject?
> 
> Hi Jerry,
> I have thoughts on the matter, but from the perspective of a Gringo.   
> Off the top of my head, the engines I've owned have been American,  
> Canadian, English and Scottish.  Without exception, the European  
> engines have been of superior design and workmanship.  The Euros just  
> put more effort into the deal.
> 
> The Americans and the Canadians, on the other hand, cut corners in  
> design and workmanship, allowing them to produce engines at a more  
> economical cost.
> 
> Waddaya wanna drive, a Ferrari or a Chevy?  That's the great thing  
> about a free economy:  there's something for everyone.
> 
> Rob
> 
> P.S.
> Would your mum have been able to make a living selling high-quality  
> grinders at 50 ZAR a pop?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Jun 13 14:15:46 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:15:46 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Quality over the years
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613214338.00be2680@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys and Gals,
         I've just finished restoring 3 Bentall No.3 corn grinders. These 
are the small hand operated kind like the one on the left (just not so old) 
in this pic on Peter's site:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Bentall/Bentall20.htm>

         Of the 3 that I have just worked on I would imagine that the first 
2 date back to about the 1940's and the other is quite modern (probably 
1960's).

         I say this because the older 2 have the "ornate" Bentall name in 
the casting. The newer one has the Bentall name in a modern block type 
letter cast into the hopper.

         I picked up the modern one at a local "scrappie" - it was already 
in the "skip" bound for the smelters (possibly in China). I had to climb 
into the skip and dig it out - what we idiots won't do for a piece of old 
rust !!

         This one had the original Bentall flywheel missing and an 
aluminium pulley in it's place - the previous owner had probably had it 
running off a small electric motor (probably a washing machine motor). It 
was in the best condition of the three - the grinding parts were still in 
very good condition and I decided to restore it as a working example 
(complete with "non original" aluminium pulley) I managed to find another 
flywheel (unfortunately not Bentall) and plan to mount this "outboard" of 
the aluminium pulley. It is my intention to mount this grinder on a stand 
with a flat belt pulley on a counter shaft driving the grinder (small 
pulley/big pulley) to slow it down to working speed (probably 50 or 60 
R.P.M) and drive it off one of my engines at shows.

         Of the other 2 I kept the oldest one but it's grinder cone and 
plate were worn out and broken - I just (cast iron) welded them together 
again and assembled it. This one is going into my house as an ornament. It 
will probably still be able to grind corn but the intention is just to keep 
it as a display.

         The other one I restored and gave it to my friend, Justin, who 
does not have a grinder.

         Anyway, this post is about quality over the years ( at least 
that's what it says in the subject line)  :-)

         I found that the 2 older grinders (probably from the 1940's and 
one possibly older) were very well made whereas the later model was "just 
not up to standard". The castings on the newer one just do not fit together 
as well as those of the older ones - there are gaps between the 2 main 
castings and the castings are VERY rough. Almost as if the tradesmen making 
them had a "couldn't care less" attitude. The older castings lined up very 
nicely and the quality of the castings themselves was of a much higher 
standard.

         Something else that I found strange was that the new castings had 
"ridges" on  the mating face of one casting and "grooves" on the mating 
face of the other to aid in alignment but they still did not align 
correctly. The older castings did not have these ridges and grooves and yet 
they aligned correctly when bolting them together.

         My Mother (who is now 89 years old) use to be a representative 
(travelling salesman/woman) for a big wholesaler selling to the rural areas 
in the 1960's & early 1970's and remembers selling "hundreds" of Bentall 
hand grinders for ZAR 16.00 each - in those days ZAR 1.00 was equal to US$ 
1.00 or 2.00 Pounds Sterling.  (P.S. She often tells me to thank the guys 
on the list for all the good wishes she received from list members after 
she was attacked a year or so ago.)

         So we are not talking about a "megabucks" item but the fact 
remains that the older models were of a much higher standard (workmanship 
wise) than the later models.

         Now, with respect to my British friends on the list (I have many 
and respect them all) - this timespan seems to tie up with the time that 
the British Trade Unions were at their strongest and British industry was 
at it's lowest ebb (ie. before Maggie Thatcher sorted them out). I'm of 
British descent (Welsh actually - what do you expect with a name like 
Evans) and have always held a high regard for British workmanship - which 
may explain my preference for British engines - "Ruston & Hornsby" rules !!.

         Anyway, to end an extremely long winded post - what are other list 
members's thoughts on the subject?

P.S. In later years Bentall grinders were also produced (under licence) in 
South Africa but these all had the words "Made in South Africa" included in 
the casting (part of our local content programme). The grinder mentioned 
above was not made in South Africa

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jun 13 16:22:02 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:22:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] DIY V12 Engine
In-Reply-To: <ee3dbe4d60a7793fbe752ea915201479@btes.tv>
References: <1213223453.4850521df3999@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BAY144-W3BD0E8B47A5BAC1CBE41295AD0@phx.gbl>
	<1213237057.4850874175e66@webmail.city-net.com>
	<ee3dbe4d60a7793fbe752ea915201479@btes.tv>
Message-ID: <1213399322.4853011aa9759@webmail.city-net.com>

Sure.  But custom home builders?  THEY carry thick wads of $100 bills and eat
caviar.  8-))

Quoting John Culp <johnculp at btes.tv>:

> Say it ain't so! Don't graduates of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics 
> carry big rolls of bills and eat steak?




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Jun 13 16:28:54 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:28:54 -0700
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Quality over the years
In-Reply-To: <4852F1E3.2050005@gmail.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613214338.00be2680@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<A59DB338-D2C5-4172-81BF-F67554504B6D@rustyiron.com>
	<4852F1E3.2050005@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3333B987-5DE4-4637-977A-EA12DF7FEC7A@rustyiron.com>


On Jun 13, 2008, at 3:17 PM, Al Harris wrote:

> Don't forget the ingenuity of "Ozzie's", Jerry and Rob.


Right on, Al.  I forgot about the one Aussie engine that I've owned.   
Workmanship was exceptional, on a par with the Euro iron, and it  
should have been considering Austals are functional rip-offs of the  
Blackstone.  The aesthetics, as you know, were more bucolic and not  
nearly as elegant as the Blackie.

I was very impressed with the quality of the Austral castings.  Are  
they characteristic of all Australian engines, or did some of your  
manufacturers do shoddy work, also?






From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Jun 13 14:35:50 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:35:50 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Quality over the years/correction
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613233028.00bdd500@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Guys and Gals,

	OOPs - correction !!
	My Mother (who is now 89 years old) use to be a representative (travelling 
salesman/woman) for a big wholesaler selling to the rural areas in the 
1960's & early 1970's and remembers selling "hundreds" of Bentall hand 
grinders for ZAR 16.00 each - in those days ZAR 1.00 was equal to US$ 1.00 
or 2.00 Pounds Sterling.

CORRECTION:
	In those days ZAR 1.00 was not equal to 2.00 English Pounds - ZAR 2.00 was 
equal to 1 English Pound. (US$ conversion was correct).
Sorry!
Jerry



From alharris44 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 17:04:31 2008
From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:04:31 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Quality over the years
In-Reply-To: <3333B987-5DE4-4637-977A-EA12DF7FEC7A@rustyiron.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613214338.00be2680@mail.cyberserv.co.za>	<A59DB338-D2C5-4172-81BF-F67554504B6D@rustyiron.com>	<4852F1E3.2050005@gmail.com>
	<3333B987-5DE4-4637-977A-EA12DF7FEC7A@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <48530B0F.40705@gmail.com>

I think you have a good handle on it mate.

No spit and polish and caste iron frills. Just plain and 
functional in the main. See vertical Rosebery engines as an 
example and pumps and grinding wheel stands etc. Plain Janes 
you could call most of them.

I took a 3HP vertical Rosebery out of a paddock and had it 
going in about 3 weeks. It had been there for about 40 years. 
That's robust.

Cheers,
Al

Rob Skinner wrote:
> On Jun 13, 2008, at 3:17 PM, Al Harris wrote:
> 
>> Don't forget the ingenuity of "Ozzie's", Jerry and Rob.
> 
> 
> Right on, Al.  I forgot about the one Aussie engine that I've owned.   
> Workmanship was exceptional, on a par with the Euro iron, and it  
> should have been considering Austals are functional rip-offs of the  
> Blackstone.  The aesthetics, as you know, were more bucolic and not  
> nearly as elegant as the Blackie.
> 
> I was very impressed with the quality of the Austral castings.  Are  
> they characteristic of all Australian engines, or did some of your  
> manufacturers do shoddy work, also?
> 
>


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Jun 13 17:32:11 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:32:11 +1000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Quality over the years
In-Reply-To: <3333B987-5DE4-4637-977A-EA12DF7FEC7A@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <20080614003158.BGMT11861.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Ronaldson-Tippett made very nice engines with very good castings and
excellent machining. All of the 'big' Aussie manufacturers seem to have been
able to make excellent castings. I can only speak for engines I have seen
but Rosebery Engine Works generally had very good casting although some of
the later verticals sometimes exhibit casting flaws. Kelly & Lewis seem to
have also made good castings (especially on some of the early engines like
Bartrams). Star engines are a little rough and ready but solidly built. The
Clutterbuck copy of Blackstones are nearly a match for the original.
I have seen an Australian made copy of a YA Stover and the castings were
quite poor.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html

-----Original Message-----



Right on, Al.  I forgot about the one Aussie engine that I've owned.   
Workmanship was exceptional, on a par with the Euro iron, and it  
should have been considering Austals are functional rip-offs of the  
Blackstone.  The aesthetics, as you know, were more bucolic and not  
nearly as elegant as the Blackie.

I was very impressed with the quality of the Austral castings.  Are  
they characteristic of all Australian engines, or did some of your  
manufacturers do shoddy work, also?






From johnculp at btes.tv  Fri Jun 13 18:46:20 2008
From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:46:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] DIY V12 Engine
In-Reply-To: <1213399322.4853011aa9759@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1213223453.4850521df3999@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BAY144-W3BD0E8B47A5BAC1CBE41295AD0@phx.gbl>
	<1213237057.4850874175e66@webmail.city-net.com>
	<ee3dbe4d60a7793fbe752ea915201479@btes.tv>
	<1213399322.4853011aa9759@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <d6457b7081ec6fbbf7d2930f2b946487@btes.tv>

That caviar stuff always sounded fishy to me.

John

On Jun 13, 2008, at 7:22 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

> Sure.  But custom home builders?  THEY carry thick wads of $100 bills 
> and eat
> caviar.  8-))
>
> Quoting John Culp <johnculp at btes.tv>:
>
>> Say it ain't so! Don't graduates of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics
>> carry big rolls of bills and eat steak?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Jun 13 12:43:28 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:43:28 +0200
Subject: [SEL]  Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1213372802.22529.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613212637.00bdabf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 06:00 PM 13/06/2008, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:42:49 -0400
>From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
>Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the dig".
>
>I acquired a 4 HP Springfield <big snip>
>
>Tommy Turner

Hi Tommy,
         What a great idea - a real "restoration adventure".

         Damn those Aussies for getting in first - if you need a South 
African just let me know - I don't need a "first class" ticket - damn, I'll 
even travel "stowage" <grin>.

         I think that your idea is really tremendous and look forward to 
reading the story.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Jun 13 19:55:26 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:55:26 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <4851F34A.6060805@scrtc.com>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com> <4851F34A.6060805@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <1213412126.4853331e637b4@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Tommy,

Man, what a really KEWL idea!!  I'll check my calendar and let you know.
This is a classic engine adventure along the same lines as the Tod engine
project.  I can see a lot of wild tales that come out of this adventure.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:

> I should have added that I think we'll document this effort well, 
> photos, etc. as I think it would make a great GEM story.
> 
> TT
> 
> 
> 
> Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> 
> >Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the dig". 
> >
> >I acquired a 4 HP Springfield Type B that is missing parts.  Here's some 
> >background and how this story is believed to have come about.  A man 
> >named Hannebaum, from Missouri, worked in the Ohio works of the 
> >Springfield Gas Engine shop in the 1890's.  He was quite the engineer 
> >and its very possible the Type B Springfield was his design.  He moved 
> >back to Missouri, near Springfield, and either brought the patterns with 
> >him or possibly engine castings.  A few of the Type B Springfield style 
> >engines were built, tagged with the Hannebaum name.  One was a 4 (or 
> >believed to be a 4) HP that was installed in a grain elevator in 
> >Billings, MO. 
> >
> >It ran until 1945 when it was removed from service.  It was purchased 
> >and taken to a farm a few miles from town when the engine was dismantled 
> >and a wedge bolted on the piston to make a woodsplitter.  After being 
> >used a few years the engine was set in the fence row where it remained 
> >until a few years ago.  One of the family members, now in his 90's. 
> >stated that he knew all the parts for the engine were still there on the 
> >farm and knows close proximity to where they are located.  I have 
> >visited the site and believe him as its sort of like walking back in time. 
> >
> >Where he believes the parts are located has a large amount of scrap 
> >iron, junk, growth, etc and will require some work to pick through, dig, 
> >etc.
> >
> >The parts possible there include the intake and exhaust valve cage, the 
> >cross slide mechanism, the ignitor, governor, gas valve and other small 
> >parts.  This will be a bit like digging for gold.
> >
> >Now the question is, are there any folks out there game to make a 
> >digging excursion with me?  I have a friend who can bring in a skid 
> >steer and he'll spray to kill all the vegetation a couple weeks before 
> >the dig could begin.  I think the project, with 5 or 6 folks working, 
> >could be completed in a day and a half.  I've got shovels, picks, etc 
> >but I would need to access a metal detector to do the job right.
> >
> >I'd provide the meals, hotel room, and all the fire water needed.  We 
> >could gather at my place and then I'd transport everyone down to the 
> >site, which is about an 8 hour drive.
> >
> >Just something to think about.  I'll probably try to do this excursion 
> >in mid July.



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Jun 13 20:08:25 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:08:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613212637.00bdabf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613212637.00bdabf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <48533629.6000909@scrtc.com>

Thanks Jerry.  I remember purchasing an engine, a 14 HP Hagan, many 
years ago and it was somewhat of the same scenerio.  The engine had been 
disassembled and parts scattered.  This was in the KY oilfields and the 
dismantled pieces taken to other buildings to use as spare parts.  He 
seller, who ran the oil fields, told me that he knew quite a few of the 
parts were around but we would have to search them out and any parts we 
could find, even spare parts, we could have.  We spent a day traveling 
from building to building and looking in and around the old pump 
houses.  We found nearly everything that was missing plus several extra 
parts.  It was a lot of fun and something I remember well even though 
this was almost 30 years ago.  Not sure if the current search will be as 
fun as its in the middle of the summer.  But, its sort of like searching 
for lost treasure.  That's always fun no matter the weather.

Tommy Turner



Jerry Evans wrote:

>At 06:00 PM 13/06/2008, you wrote:
>  
>
>>Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:42:49 -0400
>>From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
>>Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the dig".
>>
>>I acquired a 4 HP Springfield <big snip>
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>    
>>
>
>Hi Tommy,
>         What a great idea - a real "restoration adventure".
>
>         Damn those Aussies for getting in first - if you need a South 
>African just let me know - I don't need a "first class" ticket - damn, I'll 
>even travel "stowage" <grin>.
>
>         I think that your idea is really tremendous and look forward to 
>reading the story.
>
>Keep the revs up (or down)
>Jerry Evans
>Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
>www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>


From garyepps at fidnet.com  Fri Jun 13 20:17:19 2008
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:17:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <48528CDE.7070606@scrtc.com>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com> <4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>
	<003d01c8cd3f$4be03e00$0200a8c0@altech> <48525BDD.7000502@scrtc.com>
	<48527878.1060205@telenet.net> <48528CDE.7070606@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <375acf600806132017va91a597n18872babfc188dd0@mail.gmail.com>

Tommy,

What do you have?  I live about 60 miles south and east of Springfield, MO.
I am recovering from back surgery and had a stroke last week, but I am
recovering nicely from that.  Probably not much of a digger, what can I do
to be helpful?  My email is:  thegepps at gmail.com   if you want to contact me
direct.  I can also give you a phone number if that would be helpful.  You
can spot me on a map if you wish, I am south of Hiway 160 about 45 miles
east of Branson, MO.  I am just west of Theodosia, MO.

Gary

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
wrote:

> Yeah Steve, I've thought about that.  Now if this location was in KY, we
> might be able to pull it off.  Since its in MO I'd have to get a MO
> charge on them..... that's possible too!
>
> Tommy Turner
>
>
> >Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Peter,
> >>    I'll probably have to send you tickets to travel by boat....... not
> >>sure if we have any SEL members in the Springfield, MO area or have any
> >>close enough to me that they would meet me at my place and me take them
> >>to the site or not.  If not, I'm sure if I can find an interpreter that
> >>speaks Spanish I can find all the "dig help" I need (for a little $$$
> >>and a lot of fire water that is).
> >>
> >>Tommy Turner
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Sounds like a great opportunity to do some "creative sentencing" of a
> >few miscreants. I would say that cleaning up a potential health hazard
> >(all that rusty iron might be an attractant to the "wrong" people you
> >know) qualifies as community service.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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From alharris44 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 20:41:18 2008
From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:41:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613212637.00bdabf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20080613212637.00bdabf0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <48533DDE.10808@gmail.com>



Jerry Evans wrote:
> At 06:00 PM 13/06/2008, you wrote:
>> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:42:49 -0400
>> From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>> Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
>> Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the dig".
>>
>> I acquired a 4 HP Springfield <big snip>
>>
>> Tommy Turner
> 
> Hi Tommy,
>          What a great idea - a real "restoration adventure".
> 
>          Damn those Aussies for getting in first - if you need a South 
> African just let me know - I don't need a "first class" ticket - damn, I'll 
> even travel "stowage" <grin>.

Ah, cut price war huh, or are you turning history on its ear? ;-)

Al Harris
Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 23:05:17 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:05:17 +0100
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Quality over the years
In-Reply-To: <20080614003158.BGMT11861.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
References: <3333B987-5DE4-4637-977A-EA12DF7FEC7A@rustyiron.com>
	<20080614003158.BGMT11861.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806132305r7692e301k318aff1da0150a6e@mail.gmail.com>

On 14/06/2008, Patrick M Livingstone <pml1 at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> Ronaldson-Tippett made very nice engines with very good castings and
> excellent machining. All of the 'big' Aussie manufacturers seem to have been
> able to make excellent castings. I can only speak for engines I have seen
> but Rosebery Engine Works generally had very good casting although some of
> the later verticals sometimes exhibit casting flaws. Kelly & Lewis seem to
> have also made good castings (especially on some of the early engines like
> Bartrams). Star engines are a little rough and ready but solidly built. The
> Clutterbuck copy of Blackstones are nearly a match for the original.
> I have seen an Australian made copy of a YA Stover and the castings were
> quite poor.
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
>

The casting situation in most engine companies was that they all did
it in-house, and it was a matter of personal pride that the casting
quality was as good as technology allowed in those days.

Having said that, there are many reports of bad castings in
Blackstones that had been filled before painting, and I am sure that
other engine makers had the occasional bad one that slipped through.

Gardners had a huge foundry, one of the largest in the industry, and
Listers also had a very big foundry site, all now gone.

In addition, there were many specialist founders, right up to the
1950's who could cast a few hundred tons in one mould for you, that
has also nearly all disappeared now.

When we stopped making railway steam locos, shipbuilding & machine
tools declined, we lost that facility to make big castings. A lot of
what used to be cast is now fabricated.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jun 14 06:43:15 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:43:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org
Message-ID: <6f6025160806140643j5ccf0171mcc92fa8b3efcd179@mail.gmail.com>

Just to let everyone know that there is a problem with the
Oldengine.org server, and that we are aware of the problem.

Jim is trying to get it sorted out as we type. As the Oldengine list
email is also affected, please pass this on to anyone that hasn't
picked it up from the SEL list.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From Frank at lbpinc.com  Sat Jun 14 09:45:21 2008
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:45:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL]  O.T. Quality over the years
Message-ID: <20080614164527.868DD592DB@gw1.nlenet.net>

It is clear that you can make more money selling something cheep and 
selling a lot of them, then selling a few for a lot.  There are just 
a lot more people with a little money then with a lot of money.  what 
is not cleat to me is why manufacturers, or consumers, at one tome 
thought extra pin striping, fancy castings, ETC were necessary.

I have a few Pelton compressors and I have seen many others.  These 
would have been used in the basement or back room of a dentist 
office, and were inside a sheet metal enclosure. The early ones have 
ornate flywheels, gold pin striping, fancy castings knurled nuts for 
electrical connection,  All this is gone on the later ones.

It seems that either people used to associated these things with 
quality, and later didn't,
or when they first came out they were expensive and therefor people 
expected the extras, as price went down, less was expected.

Frank



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jun 14 10:47:18 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:47:18 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160806140643j5ccf0171mcc92fa8b3efcd179@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160806140643j5ccf0171mcc92fa8b3efcd179@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806141047t4a332049n59d150a4dbfee49@mail.gmail.com>

On 14/06/2008, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just to let everyone know that there is a problem with the
> Oldengine.org server, and that we are aware of the problem.
>
> Jim is trying to get it sorted out as we type. As the Oldengine list
> email is also affected, please pass this on to anyone that hasn't
> picked it up from the SEL list.
>

The issue appears to have been resolved and the site is running again.

Hope it hasn't caused anyone any problems.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 14 12:55:09 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:55:09 -0400
Subject: [SEL] DIY V12 Engine
In-Reply-To: <1213399322.4853011aa9759@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1213223453.4850521df3999@webmail.city-net.com>
	<BAY144-W3BD0E8B47A5BAC1CBE41295AD0@phx.gbl>
	<1213237057.4850874175e66@webmail.city-net.com>
	<ee3dbe4d60a7793fbe752ea915201479@btes.tv> 
	<1213399322.4853011aa9759@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY144-W455EEB530C4518A2A07AE695AF0@phx.gbl>


Methinks you meant to say  sardines not caviar!
 
                                              Steve
 
 
 
 
> > Sure. But custom home builders? THEY carry thick wads of $100 bills and eat> caviar. 8-))> > Quoting John Culp <johnculp at btes.tv>:> > > Say it ain't so! Don't graduates of Bob's School of Quantum Mechanics > > carry big rolls of bills and eat steak?> > > _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From bgrimley at bellsouth.net  Sat Jun 14 09:15:28 2008
From: bgrimley at bellsouth.net (bgrimley at bellsouth.net)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:15:28 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <4852DB8D.4010104@gmail.com>
References: <061320081709.14831.4852A9DC000B988C000039EF22230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF970A0403079D090D@att.net>
	<4852DB8D.4010104@gmail.com>
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 Everyone sure needs to be vigilant these days - some scrap thieves were "investigating" my place a few months ago - departed just before I arrived - don't think they got much other than a heavy copper cable, but have since posted the property to facilitate their arrest if I ever see them.  Also alerted the neighbors. Believe those persons have since been arrested over some other copper theft.  Tommy has got to move fast if scrappers get wind of the amount laying around that place. 
Bill   -------------- Original message from Al Harris <alharris44 at gmail.com>: --------------


> The very relevant part of your post Bill is "scrap iron".
> 
> Metal recyclers in Oz are not discriminating between heritage 
> value and scrap as they scour the properties (farms) for 
> "laydown paddocks" and the majority of "cockies" (owners) are 
> only too happy, in these hard times, to not even consider what 
> pieces of value are being crushed/compacted. It's a sin.
> 
> Al Harris
> Clarence Coast NSW Oz
> 
> bgrimley at bellsouth.net wrote:
> >  Sounds like Tom Sawyer has been reincarnated, but has graduated from painting 
> picket fences to excavating 
> >  junk piles - and in the middle of July! . Around here scrap iron brings $15 
> US per 100 lbs  - can you take all of it to junk yard?  Any rare bottles in 
> there?
> > Bill in NC.   
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jun 14 17:58:42 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:58:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160806141047t4a332049n59d150a4dbfee49@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEGMHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

I just tried to load my home page 7:55pm E.D.T.    ......

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand

............and I got the same truck page I did this morning.  It's still not working.

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:47 PM
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com; Stationary-Engine
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Oldengine.org
> 
> 
> On 14/06/2008, Listerdiesel 
> <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just to let everyone know that there is a 
> problem with the
> > Oldengine.org server, and that we are aware of 
> the problem.
> >
> > Jim is trying to get it sorted out as we type. 
> As the Oldengine list
> > email is also affected, please pass this on to 
> anyone that hasn't
> > picked it up from the SEL list.
> >
> 
> The issue appears to have been resolved and the 
> site is running again.
> 
> Hope it hasn't caused anyone any problems.
> 
> Peter




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jun 14 17:18:07 2008
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:18:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org
Message-ID: <20080614.171807.1596.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>

 It works for me Elden.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:58:42 -0500 "Elden DuRand" <edurand at mchsi.com>
writes:
> Peter:
> 
> I just tried to load my home page 7:55pm E.D.T.    ......
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
> 
> ............and I got the same truck page I did this morning.  It's 
> still not working.
> 
> Take care - Elden 
>
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sat Jun 14 18:40:49 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:40:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org
In-Reply-To: <20080614.171807.1596.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEGNHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Ron

Well, drat !  I must not be doing something right.  Lemmesee here, I'll check it again.

...........................................checking the web page.....................

Well!  How about that!  It's back.  It musta been you that made it work.

Thanks, Ron.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 07:18 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Oldengine.org
> 
> 
>  It works for me Elden.
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
> 
> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:58:42 -0500 "Elden DuRand" 
> <edurand at mchsi.com>
> writes:
> > Peter:
> > 
> > I just tried to load my home page 7:55pm E.D.T. 
>    ......
> > 
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand
> > 
> > ............and I got the same truck page I did 
> this morning.  It's 
> > still not working.
> > 
> > Take care - Elden 




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Jun 14 19:35:09 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:35:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Holt 111 under steam
In-Reply-To: <20080614.165919.1596.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20080614.165919.1596.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <00D63FE9-487D-4F3E-BFD2-2EB13275101C@rustyiron.com>

On Jun 14, 2008, at 4:59 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
>  There is
> probably already video on U Tube.




Your wish is my command, Ron-san.

Go here and click on the Don Hunter video:
http://www.youtube.com/user/rustyironrob






From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Jun 14 19:39:22 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:39:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Holt 111 under steam
In-Reply-To: <00D63FE9-487D-4F3E-BFD2-2EB13275101C@rustyiron.com>
References: <20080614.165919.1596.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<00D63FE9-487D-4F3E-BFD2-2EB13275101C@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <613F52E2-9DED-4242-BE6B-F5B3A0DBE1A0@rustyiron.com>

Sorry.  It will be a little bit while YouTube processes the file.
Rob



>
>
> Your wish is my command, Ron-san.
>
> Go here and click on the Don Hunter video:
> http://www.youtube.com/user/rustyironrob
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jun 14 19:52:06 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:52:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <1213412126.4853331e637b4@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com> <4851F34A.6060805@scrtc.com>
	<1213412126.4853331e637b4@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <485483D6.6050707@scrtc.com>

Thanks Arnie.  I'll see you  at Coolspring in a few days.

Tommy



fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

>Hi Tommy,
>
>Man, what a really KEWL idea!!  I'll check my calendar and let you know.
>This is a classic engine adventure along the same lines as the Tod engine
>project.  I can see a lot of wild tales that come out of this adventure.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:
>
>  
>
>>I should have added that I think we'll document this effort well, 
>>photos, etc. as I think it would make a great GEM story.
>>
>>TT
>>
>>
>>
>>Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Anybody game to hunt for some engine parts?  Here's the "gig on the dig". 
>>>
>>>I acquired a 4 HP Springfield Type B that is missing parts.  Here's some 
>>>background and how this story is believed to have come about.  A man 
>>>named Hannebaum, from Missouri, worked in the Ohio works of the 
>>>Springfield Gas Engine shop in the 1890's.  He was quite the engineer 
>>>and its very possible the Type B Springfield was his design.  He moved 
>>>back to Missouri, near Springfield, and either brought the patterns with 
>>>him or possibly engine castings.  A few of the Type B Springfield style 
>>>engines were built, tagged with the Hannebaum name.  One was a 4 (or 
>>>believed to be a 4) HP that was installed in a grain elevator in 
>>>Billings, MO. 
>>>
>>>It ran until 1945 when it was removed from service.  It was purchased 
>>>and taken to a farm a few miles from town when the engine was dismantled 
>>>and a wedge bolted on the piston to make a woodsplitter.  After being 
>>>used a few years the engine was set in the fence row where it remained 
>>>until a few years ago.  One of the family members, now in his 90's. 
>>>stated that he knew all the parts for the engine were still there on the 
>>>farm and knows close proximity to where they are located.  I have 
>>>visited the site and believe him as its sort of like walking back in time. 
>>>
>>>Where he believes the parts are located has a large amount of scrap 
>>>iron, junk, growth, etc and will require some work to pick through, dig, 
>>>etc.
>>>
>>>The parts possible there include the intake and exhaust valve cage, the 
>>>cross slide mechanism, the ignitor, governor, gas valve and other small 
>>>parts.  This will be a bit like digging for gold.
>>>
>>>Now the question is, are there any folks out there game to make a 
>>>digging excursion with me?  I have a friend who can bring in a skid 
>>>steer and he'll spray to kill all the vegetation a couple weeks before 
>>>the dig could begin.  I think the project, with 5 or 6 folks working, 
>>>could be completed in a day and a half.  I've got shovels, picks, etc 
>>>but I would need to access a metal detector to do the job right.
>>>
>>>I'd provide the meals, hotel room, and all the fire water needed.  We 
>>>could gather at my place and then I'd transport everyone down to the 
>>>site, which is about an 8 hour drive.
>>>
>>>Just something to think about.  I'll probably try to do this excursion 
>>>in mid July.
>>>      
>>>
>
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>
>
>  
>


From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Fri Jun 13 06:05:47 2008
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:05:47 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com> <4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <485270AB.3040101@optusnet.com.au>

Al Harris wrote:
> Tommy, that sounds as if it came right out of a Travel Brochure.
> 
> I think I can say without any fear of contradiction that quite 
> a few "downunder" would be mighty pleased to accept your 
> generous July offer. Just send blank cheques. :-)
> 
> Al Harris
> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz
-===
Al, Peter & Reg

You guys just gotta think big. When Tommy sends the cheque, we'll hire a 
jumbo and ALL go help. That way, we'll be able to bring back some 
serious iron.

P.S. Do metal detectors work in the other hemisphere? Like up-under? 
Seems they'll be digging upwards?

Jack
===



From alharris44 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 14 20:52:58 2008
From: alharris44 at gmail.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:52:58 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <485270AB.3040101@optusnet.com.au>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com> <4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>
	<485270AB.3040101@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <4854921A.1090600@gmail.com>

Ya know, ya just gotta give it to the old blokes. They come up 
with the greatest ideas. :-)

So, do ya reckon ya fall *out* of holes "up under" Jack, not 
into 'em?

Cheers,
Al Harris
Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz


Jack Watson wrote:
> Al Harris wrote:
>> Tommy, that sounds as if it came right out of a Travel Brochure.
>>
>> I think I can say without any fear of contradiction that quite 
>> a few "downunder" would be mighty pleased to accept your 
>> generous July offer. Just send blank cheques. :-)
>>
>> Al Harris
>> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz
> -===
> Al, Peter & Reg
> 
> You guys just gotta think big. When Tommy sends the cheque, we'll hire a 
> jumbo and ALL go help. That way, we'll be able to bring back some 
> serious iron.
> 
> P.S. Do metal detectors work in the other hemisphere? Like up-under? 
> Seems they'll be digging upwards?
> 
> Jack
> ===


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Jun 14 20:57:37 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:57:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <485270AB.3040101@optusnet.com.au>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com> <4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>
	<485270AB.3040101@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <48549331.5050505@scrtc.com>

Jack,
    Everything will be done in reverse here.  Instead of digging under 
foot, you'll have to dig overhead.  Get me the address of where the 
check is to be sent.....

Tommy Turner



Jack Watson wrote:

>Al Harris wrote:
>  
>
>>Tommy, that sounds as if it came right out of a Travel Brochure.
>>
>>I think I can say without any fear of contradiction that quite 
>>a few "downunder" would be mighty pleased to accept your 
>>generous July offer. Just send blank cheques. :-)
>>
>>Al Harris
>>Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>>    
>>
>-===
>Al, Peter & Reg
>
>You guys just gotta think big. When Tommy sends the cheque, we'll hire a 
>jumbo and ALL go help. That way, we'll be able to bring back some 
>serious iron.
>
>P.S. Do metal detectors work in the other hemisphere? Like up-under? 
>Seems they'll be digging upwards?
>
>Jack
>===
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Jun 14 22:32:37 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 06:32:37 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEGNHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
References: <20080614.171807.1596.3.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEEGNHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806142232yf21fae2w6007101956c7bb6e@mail.gmail.com>

On 15/06/2008, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Ron
>
> Well, drat !  I must not be doing something right.  Lemmesee here, I'll
> check it again.
>
> ...........................................checking the web
> page.....................
>
> Well!  How about that!  It's back.  It musta been you that made it work.
>
> Thanks, Ron.
>
> Take care - Elden

When the DNS is changed (the web location of the name server that
carries the site) it takes a while for the change to propagate through
the web. The change from toltbbs.com to the standby server of Network
Associates would have taken a few hours, and the change back again
similarly.

Some web servers would have changed back again quicker than others, it
just depends on where they are and other traffic, plus whether other
users looked for the same web address.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From nadejack at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jun 15 00:08:52 2008
From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:08:52 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <4854921A.1090600@gmail.com>
References: <4851ECB9.4060606@scrtc.com>
	<4851F614.2060409@gmail.com>	<485270AB.3040101@optusnet.com.au>
	<4854921A.1090600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4854C004.40801@optusnet.com.au>

Al Harris wrote:
> Ya know, ya just gotta give it to the old blokes. They come up 
> with the greatest ideas. :-)
> 
> So, do ya reckon ya fall *out* of holes "up under" Jack, not 
> into 'em?
> 
> Cheers,
> Al Harris
==
Well, Al, it stands to reason, doesn't it?

I mean, if we dug a hole all the way through the earth from here in Oz 
to Tommy's place and fell into it, we'd only fall down for the first 
half, then we'd be falling up again towards his end?

Don't try this at home, kiddies. You might stop halfway.

Jack
===



From gastzt at aol.com  Sun Jun 15 04:28:53 2008
From: gastzt at aol.com (gastzt at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:28:53 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
Message-ID: <c1a.3e866dd1.358656f5@aol.com>

Hmmmm!  just wonder if you did on a 30 degree angle if maybe U came out in 
Texas?  huh?   ha!
  Stan
old Stovers



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From edurand at mchsi.com  Sun Jun 15 07:29:48 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:29:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160806142232yf21fae2w6007101956c7bb6e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBAEHCHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Peter:

Thanks for 'splanin' that there teknickel tawk to this here hillbilly.

For a while there, I was in a panic thinking I'd have to find another provider for my page.  Since it is a hobby, it would be a hard sell to the "Secretary of The Treasury" to justify getting a URL registered then paying to host the site.

Thanks to Jim Dunmeyer and all who keep oldengine.org going.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> Listerdiesel
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:33 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Oldengine.org
> 
> 
> On 15/06/2008, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
> > Ron
> >
> > Well, drat !  I must not be doing something 
> right.  Lemmesee here, I'll
> > check it again.
> >
> > 
> ...........................................checkin
> g the web
> > page.....................
> >
> > Well!  How about that!  It's back.  It musta 
> been you that made it work.
> >
> > Thanks, Ron.
> >
> > Take care - Elden
> 
> When the DNS is changed (the web location of the 
> name server that
> carries the site) it takes a while for the change 
> to propagate through
> the web. The change from toltbbs.com to the 
> standby server of Network
> Associates would have taken a few hours, and the 
> change back again
> similarly.
> 
> Some web servers would have changed back again 
> quicker than others, it
> just depends on where they are and other traffic, 
> plus whether other
> users looked for the same web address.
> 
> Peter




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 22:38:10 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 06:38:10 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Housekeeping at Oldengine.org
Message-ID: <6f6025160806152238m129683d0j7a3d7bf0fc689a42@mail.gmail.com>

In the next few weeks we are going to perform some housekeeping at
Oldengine to clear out a lot of dead links on the Member's Page, and
to move any Member's listing for a site that is not hosted on
Oldengine.org to the 'Other Sites' page.

This will not materially affect anyone with websites hosted on Oldengine.org.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From gibsongus at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 15 22:38:23 2008
From: gibsongus at earthlink.net (Gus)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:38:23 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [SEL] Holt 111 under steam
Message-ID: <10873038.1213594704176.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Rob I know my comp. is slow but two days and no Don Hunter tractor?????
Mr. GUS
-----Original Message-----
>From: Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
>Sent: Jun 14, 2008 7:39 PM
>To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>Cc: Stationary-Engine ATIS <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Holt 111 under steam
>
>Sorry.  It will be a little bit while YouTube processes the file.
>Rob
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> Your wish is my command, Ron-san.
>>
>> Go here and click on the Don Hunter video:
>> http://www.youtube.com/user/rustyironrob
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 22:52:22 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 06:52:22 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Mirror Site for Oldengine.org - Oldengine.co.uk
Message-ID: <6f6025160806152252w4b6188fdr6da9b3804dc943a4@mail.gmail.com>

During the next few months, we will be setting up a mirror site for
Member's websites hosted at Oldengine.org, on a server in the UK,
Oldengine.co.uk.

Most of the member's sites will be transferred, but not all. The
selection will be by interest and currency of the site material, and
will not include our own site as that already has a full mirror server
at stationary-engine.co.uk.

Looking at the member's websites recently, only about 25% of the sites
are currently being maintained/updated, and currency of information
will be one of the criteria for selection.

Anyone not wanting their site on the new server please let me know
off-list. Anyone with sites not selected can apply to have them
included, but they will have to be updated by the owner(s) first.

This will not affect the existing Oldengine.org website hosting in any
way, and is intended to provide better access in times of failure or
access problems as we had last weekend.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jun 16 04:41:16 2008
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:41:16 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Austral Register Update
Message-ID: <20080616114112.TJJD9173.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

I have updated the abbreviated register on my website to reflect new
additions and changes to the register. I have also added links to pictures
of quite a few of the engines on the register. Hopefully it all works:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/australreg0608.html


Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 16 09:47:14 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:47:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Housekeeping at Oldengine.org
References: <6f6025160806152238m129683d0j7a3d7bf0fc689a42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c8cfd0$a1b91e30$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

Lemme know if you find my pocketknife 


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 12:02:29 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:02:29 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Housekeeping at Oldengine.org
In-Reply-To: <006c01c8cfd0$a1b91e30$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
References: <6f6025160806152238m129683d0j7a3d7bf0fc689a42@mail.gmail.com>
	<006c01c8cfd0$a1b91e30$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806161202x716e7d89wef81e165f2ea6eda@mail.gmail.com>

On 16/06/2008, Chuck Balyeat <kerogas at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Lemme know if you find my pocketknife
>

Nope:

Found a couple of dimes, a few used lollipop sticks, a 1948 copy of
the Chicago Tribune and an advert for a Maytag washing machine, but no
pocketknife as yet.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun 16 12:20:03 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:20:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Housekeeping at Oldengine.org
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Sorry Chuck.  Knives are banned in England.  Peter couldn't even move a photo of
one to a UK website.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Chuck Balyeat <kerogas at sbcglobal.net>:

> Lemme know if you find my pocketknife 




From rwenig2 at xplornet.com  Mon Jun 16 21:26:57 2008
From: rwenig2 at xplornet.com (Rupert)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:26:57 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Ot: Massey-Harris question
In-Reply-To: <20080616114112.TJJD9173.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
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Hello Guys,
	My son has bought a Massey-Harris 30 tractor. The charging circuit 
isn't working. The generator puts out so we traced the generator number 
to buy a replacement cutout. This leaves us with no voltage regulation. 
My memory is faint but I think there was a selector switch on the dash 
to select a high/low charge. Can anyone confirm that or steer me in the 
right direction? The service manual doesn't have a wiring diagram in it.

Rupert
-- 

yvt

Rupert Wenig
Camrose, Alberta, Canada.	

email: rwenig2 at xplornet.com
	
http://users.xplornet.com/~rwenig/Home/


From curt at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun 17 07:02:38 2008
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:02:38 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
Message-ID: <30830.168.215.206.73.1213711358.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Guys and gals,
Here is a topic for discussion. How do clubs promote their shows to get
maximum show displays and to get maximum spectator traffic?

As fuel prices go higher the hobby is certainly going to feel the pinch
with smaller display and spectator turnouts. No doubt these fuel prices
are here to stay, so a club has to stir the interest really well to get
people back out the show grounds. It's going to require a strong effort by
clubs to get these results.

It would be great to hear what clubs are doing to promote their shows.
-What efforts in advance of the show? publications, fliers, TV, radio, cable?
-What efforts the days of the show? TV, cable, local radio?
-What efforts draw local displays?
-What efforts draw far away displays?
-What efforts draw spectators vs. displays.
-Other unique ways to get folks to the show grounds.

It would be great to get lots of discussion on this. I'd like to summarize
the comments and read them at our next Cotton Ginning Days Club meeting in
July. We have about 25,000 spectators and 300 displayers come to our show
every year, so it is of paramount importance to keep the displays coming!
Post and post often!

Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC








From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Jun 17 10:34:53 2008
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:34:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
In-Reply-To: <30830.168.215.206.73.1213711358.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
References: <30830.168.215.206.73.1213711358.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
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With high fuel prices I doubt that much can be done to get higher
spectator turnout.  I think the big shows will still attract spectators,
but the smaller shows will have a harder time getting people from out of
the local area.

However, I think some things can be done for the exhibitors.  I know
from personal experience that some exhibitors become spectators when
they realize it is a lot cheaper for them to attend the show as a
spectator!

So I think it is important for the club/show to provide incentives for
the exhibitors to show appreciation for helping out with the show.

1. Don't charge exhibitors for bringing a display.  Let the spectators
pay for the expenses of putting on the show.
2. Make sure exhibitors and their families have gate passes.
3. Give exhibitors tickets which are good for food or drinks at the
concession stands.
4. Give exhibitors a nice plaque or brass tag showing that they
exhibited at your show.
5. Make sure to have enough forklifts to assist people in
loading/unloading for the show.

I'm sure there's more and hopefully people will join this discussion.

George

Ps.. Curt, I won't be attending your show unless you provide airfare ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: curt at rustyiron.com [mailto:curt at rustyiron.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:03 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Cc: Best, George
Subject: A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.

Guys and gals,
Here is a topic for discussion. How do clubs promote their shows to get
maximum show displays and to get maximum spectator traffic?

As fuel prices go higher the hobby is certainly going to feel the pinch
with smaller display and spectator turnouts. No doubt these fuel prices
are here to stay, so a club has to stir the interest really well to get
people back out the show grounds. It's going to require a strong effort
by
clubs to get these results.

It would be great to hear what clubs are doing to promote their shows.
-What efforts in advance of the show? publications, fliers, TV, radio,
cable?
-What efforts the days of the show? TV, cable, local radio?
-What efforts draw local displays?
-What efforts draw far away displays?
-What efforts draw spectators vs. displays.
-Other unique ways to get folks to the show grounds.

It would be great to get lots of discussion on this. I'd like to
summarize
the comments and read them at our next Cotton Ginning Days Club meeting
in
July. We have about 25,000 spectators and 300 displayers come to our
show
every year, so it is of paramount importance to keep the displays
coming!
Post and post often!

Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC








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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 11:44:42 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:44:42 +0100
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
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On 17/06/2008, Best, George <George_Best at adp.com> wrote:
> With high fuel prices I doubt that much can be done to get higher
> spectator turnout.  I think the big shows will still attract spectators,
> but the smaller shows will have a harder time getting people from out of
> the local area.
>
> However, I think some things can be done for the exhibitors.  I know
> from personal experience that some exhibitors become spectators when
> they realize it is a lot cheaper for them to attend the show as a
> spectator!
>
> So I think it is important for the club/show to provide incentives for
> the exhibitors to show appreciation for helping out with the show.
>
> 1. Don't charge exhibitors for bringing a display.  Let the spectators
> pay for the expenses of putting on the show.
> 2. Make sure exhibitors and their families have gate passes.
> 3. Give exhibitors tickets which are good for food or drinks at the
> concession stands.
> 4. Give exhibitors a nice plaque or brass tag showing that they
> exhibited at your show.
> 5. Make sure to have enough forklifts to assist people in
> loading/unloading for the show.
>
> I'm sure there's more and hopefully people will join this discussion.
>
> George


Basically, that's what they did for Nuenen this year, if the
exhibitors are looked after, the show will grow.

Fuel costs are a problem, but pleasure outings tend to be one of the
last things to get ditched when fuel prices rise.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Jun 17 11:58:17 2008
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:58:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
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Peter,

I agree that the Nuenen show is perfect example of how to treat the
exhibitors well.

1. They has a nice grass field to display on.
2. They have ropes already setup so exhibitor do not have to rope of
their area.
3. They give you tickets which are good to get free food and beer!
4. They give you a nice cast bronze plaque for the show.
6. They deliver water for cooling tanks to your display area.
7. They have a large enough forklift to handle about any size engine
that would show up.

8. They have only one rule!  "Have fun"

George

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Listerdiesel
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:45 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.


Basically, that's what they did for Nuenen this year, if the
exhibitors are looked after, the show will grow.

Fuel costs are a problem, but pleasure outings tend to be one of the
last things to get ditched when fuel prices rise.

Peter


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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jun 17 11:50:57 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:50:57 +0200
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
In-Reply-To: <30830.168.215.206.73.1213711358.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com
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At 04:02 PM 17/06/2008, you wrote:
>Guys and gals,
>Here is a topic for discussion. How do clubs promote their shows to get
>maximum show displays and to get maximum spectator traffic?

<Big Snip>
Hi Curt,
         Excellent idea for a topic.
         Here is what we do, with a bit of background info first.
         Let me be quick to point out that our club show has become the 
biggest in South Africa but is still a small show in comparison to most of 
the shows overseas. (I'm willing to stand corrected here but I think that 
our total club membership (cars, engines and tractors) is around 200 
members and less than 1/2 of those are active members). We are also spread 
out over a wide geographical area.

         Our club is mainly a vintage car club and us old engine guys (less 
than 10 in the club) and, dare I say it, FATG's are pretty much lumped 
together and are only a small part of the club but our display usually gets 
a lot more interest than the cars and is (possibly) bigger with working 
displays of both steam and IC powered threshers, balers, corn shellers, 
grinders and the like. The general public seem to prefer the working 
engines as opposed to a field full of parked cars (or tractors :-)) and we 
always have great interest and good crowds around the engines. (I don't 
think that it is JUST because we always insist on setting up nearest the 
"BEER TENT" - Arnie would love it!) <grin>.

         Now for the show itself:
         a) Our club grounds are too small for a show of this size so we 
have an arrangement with the local University to use their grounds which 
are very beautiful with grass and plenty of trees on the banks of a river. 
They are also more centrally situated for a show.

         In return the University shares the profits with the club and does 
most of the administrative work as well as advertising and promotion using 
their own resources. They also handle sponsorships. We've only had this 
arrangement with them for the last 3 years but it's worked well so far and 
they have been very helpful. They've done things like supplying electricity 
points all round the grounds, ablution blocks, planted extra grass, built a 
caravan and camping area with cooking facilities, ablutions and electricity 
for visiting exhibitors who get to stay and camp on the grounds at no 
charge. We do not charge exhibitors entrance or camping fees (that does not 
cover the guy who brings 1 small aircooled engine or the like and a massive 
caravan and family for a free weekend -he's got to be a proper exhibitor 
but we do not have many problems like this).

         The University runs a "charity scheme" whereby they feed needy 
students a free meal once a day and they use their share of the proceeds 
for this. That also allows them certain tax benifits.

         b) Sponsorships:
         i)We (and the University) look for Sponsors and for the last few 
years our main sponsor has been Chevrolet South Africa who give us a very 
generous ZAR 120,000.00. This goes toward costs like advertising etc. In 
return Chevrolet gets some good publicity and also a few tax benifits. A 
few years ago we got into the Guinness Book of records for having the 
longest convoy of vintage Chev's to travel a set distance. They also get a 
free stand at the show as well as "naming rights" for the show - hence it 
is called "Chevrolet Wheels at the Vaal" ("Vaal" is the name of the river 
running through the showground and "Vaal Old Wheels" is the name of our 
club.). We used to have many motor companies exhibiting but Chev stopped 
this and now they are the only motor vehicle manufacturer at our show but 
that's O.K. because their sponsorship is greater than all of the others 
combined.
         ii) We find smaller sponsors for as many things as we can. For 
example, last year, SA Lister (Lister engines) supplied petrol (gas to you 
Yanks) and diesel for all the stationary engines running at the show. Each 
engine exhibitor also got a very nice "Lister" shirt to wear at the show 
and they (Lister) had a few banners up near the engines. This was great for 
us as we could offer visitors from other clubs "free petrol and a shirt" as 
an incentive to bring their engines. In return they got publicity as well - 
last year we got into the Guinness Book of Records again  - for having the 
most vintage stationary engines running at the same time for 3 minutes. (I 
think it will only be published in the next edition).
         (((( Big note here:- We only had about 320 engines running which 
is a lot for South Africa
(about double the number we are usually able to attract to a show) - I know 
the number is very low compared to overseas shows but hey, we are much 
smaller than you guys and we started it - now it's up to you guys to 
improve on it - Guinness charges quite a lot of money to stage something 
like this and this money also came from the Lister sponsorship.)))

         iii) Sponsorships also helped to reimburse us club members for 
transport costs to get our engines to the show. Some of us made up to 11 or 
12 trips just to get engines there! With fuel costs what they are today, 
this is a very big consideration for club members.

         c) Advertising & Promotion:
         Fortunately for us (there is some disagreement among club members 
as to wether it is actually an advantage - see note later) the University's 
advertising & public relations division has taken this over (but with 
constant communication with the club). The University has a very capable 
"Public Relations" division and the head of this division has also become a 
committee member of our club. They organize (amongst other things):
         i) Local radio "talk show" interviews, advertising and other 
coverage in the months leading up to the show. (Mostly free of charge).
         ii) Local & National press coverage and editorial articles also in 
the months leading up to the show. This includes normal newspapers & 
magazines as well as speciality publications. This preferably takes the 
form of "editorial articles" (no charge) but with some "Paid For" 
advertising as well.
         iii) Flyers/leaflets/posters distribution for some months before 
the show. This includes leaflets being sent to other clubs, leaflets being 
handed out at other shows, leaflets being handed out to motorists at 
traffic lights and parking lots. Posters being displayed at shopping centre 
notice boards (malls to the Yanks) and the like. The printing of these 
leaflets/flyers is usually done by the University's "in house" print shop 
(cheap) or in other cases a sponsor is sought.

         d) Fund raising (before the event):

         i) The club strives to find a donor for something to "raffle". For 
the last 3 years it has been a Volkswagen "Beetle". Once a vehicle has been 
"acquired" (sometimes the club buys one) raffle tickets start getting sold. 
This year it is a "Beetle" again -  a really nice original one in good 
condition - the winner can drive it away!. This beetle has been displayed 
at all the shows in the last few months and raffle tickets have been sold 
at ZAR 10.00 each. As of last weekend ticket sales have already surpassed 
the purchase cost of the beetle and the sale of tickets has not even 
"hotted up" yet. (Our show is only in the first week of September). This 
month 2 books of tickets (total 20 tickets) will be mailed to each club 
member with his (or her) newsletter. There is also a prize for the seller 
of the most tickets so selling of tickets will "hot up" now. Most members 
just take the easy way out and buy all the tickets themselves :-). The 
"draw" for this raffle takes place on the last day of our show.

         ii) Aforementioned "sponsorships". We all try to get sponsorships, 
no matter how small, for anything worth sponsoring. eg. If the guys who 
make our "vintage" piston rings want, they can supply a banner or small 
sign to be displayed at the show for a minimal cost. Every little bit helps 
and goes to the club coffers.

         e) Other stuff:
         i) We also have a "flea market" and sell space to anyone wanting 
to bring "whatever" to the show. This also includes food stalls and liquor 
outlets (gotta be sure that there is enough! - Why does Arnie's name keep 
springing to mind? - gotta meet him one day).
         ii) Free Space to emergency personnel and the like - just so that 
they will be there to stitch "Little Johnnie's" hand back after he stuck it 
in that flywheel that he was told not to touch! We do not fence our engines 
in and there are no barriers between public and engines. WE DO ALWAYS 
attend our engines when running and common sense prevails. We encourage 
spectators to come close within reasonable limits. WE WATCH KIDS!!!!
         iii) Our show runs for 3 days, Friday thru Sunday. The Friday is 
actually pretty quiet with many exhibitors actually only arriving and 
"setting up". On the Friday we offer free entrance to "organised school 
groups" or others like "old age homes" etc. (previously arranged). A school 
can bring in a busload of pupils on an educational outing and we will go 
out of our way to demonstrate stuff to them. The advantage to this is that 
many of them go home that night and "beg Daddy to go to the show tomorrow".
         iv) We also organize things like local actors & singers to make 
appearances and give shows. Some people only come only for this but so long 
as they pay the entrance fee but that's O.K. (It's all income)
         v) Entrance fee for the show is kept low. Usually about the price 
of a beer for adults and the price of a "Coke" for kids. That way we get 
the whole family there without breaking the bank.
         vi) We offer "free parking" in the showgrounds with security 
guards on patrol - vehicle theft is BIG in South Africa.

         Pretty much what we try to do is offer a family the chance of a 
great outing with as much entertainment/education as possible at an 
affordable price. It works - we (and the University) usually make a decent 
profit.

         A few "afterthoughts":
         i) We also sell space on the river to companies making boats and 
usually have a good turnout there.
         ii) We "licence" an operator to offer "river boat" cruises.
         iii) We have a small tractor pulling passenger wagons around the 
show (not free - you buy a ticket - again for the price of a beer - the 
kids love it and it brings in funds).


         Now to get back to the part where I mentioned that there is some 
disagreement amongst club members regarding the University handling so much 
of the organising (and getting a good share of the profit).
         These members balk at the thought of "someone else making a 
profit" from our endeavors, but they are forgetting certain facts.
         i) Without the use of the University Campus we would not have a 
showground.
         ii) Without the use of the University's administrative structures 
we would not get the kind of publicity that we have or the organizational 
capabilities.
         iii) "Our share" of the profits would be much less than we got 
before now if it were not for the University's input and we "went it alone".
         iv) This is our hobby, we enjoy doing the show and it is a great 
opportunity to sit and drink beer with our mates and show off our machines. 
We are not in this hobby to spend time "organizing" shows - we're also 
personally not in it for profit but it's nice to get some funds into the 
club coffers.
                 All I want to do is take my engines to the show and enjoy 
time with "like minded" friends and meet new ones. It's also good to be 
able to show the younger generation how things worked "in the old days" and 
possibly infect a younger person with the same "sickness" that we all 
suffer from.
         I personally do not have the time to attend endless meetings and 
devote many weeks to organising a show. It's my HOBBY dammit, I battle to 
find the time to restore engines, let alone get involved with organizing a 
show.

         Strangely enough, in previous times (pre University involvement) 
when the club organised anything they really battled to find "volunteers" 
to do any work. Now these same "non volunteers" are the ones complaining 
that "someone else" is making a profit.

         O.K. Curt, That's enough for now - this reply took this 2 finger 
typist over 4 hours - that's my contribution to the topic.

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun 17 13:18:09 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:18:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
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George,

Just one more thing to add...

The "organizers" at Nuenen come around to welcome you and ask if you have
everything that you need.  They also thank you for coming to exhibit and
ask you to plan to come back the next year.

There are a couple of shows that I always attend where they do that.  It's
such a simple gesture, but it makes a large impact.

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008, Best, George wrote:

> I agree that the Nuenen show is perfect example of how to treat the
> exhibitors well.
>
> 1. They has a nice grass field to display on.
> 2. They have ropes already setup so exhibitor do not have to rope of
> their area.
> 3. They give you tickets which are good to get free food and beer!
> 4. They give you a nice cast bronze plaque for the show.
> 6. They deliver water for cooling tanks to your display area.
> 7. They have a large enough forklift to handle about any size engine
> that would show up.
>
> 8. They have only one rule!  "Have fun"



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 13:45:11 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:45:11 +0100
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
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On 17/06/2008, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> George,
>
> Just one more thing to add...
>
> The "organizers" at Nuenen come around to welcome you and ask if you have
> everything that you need.  They also thank you for coming to exhibit and
> ask you to plan to come back the next year.
>
> There are a couple of shows that I always attend where they do that.  It's
> such a simple gesture, but it makes a large impact.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>

Nuenen Plaque picture here:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Misc/NuenenPlaque.jpg

It's about 4" diameter by 3/4" thick and weighs a pound or so, and it
is solid brass.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From edurand at mchsi.com  Tue Jun 17 16:07:16 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:07:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20080617161506.00be0a00@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBKEJBHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Jerry:

It looks like your club has the best arrangement going.  Thanks for relating it to us.

Personally, I like to go to shows where there is no admission charge for exhibitors and I am made to feel welcome.  At the few shows I've exhibited at that charged exhibitors, the charge wasn't an admission charge but was a membership fee to the sponsoring club.  The reason for this was said to be to make sure all exhibitors were insured under the club's policy.  Makes sense to me and I usually join the sponsoring club for at least one year just to let them know I appreciate their work in putting on the show.

I've gone to shows where I just didn't feel very welcome and didn't have fun.  I don't complain, I just do my thing and don't return.  After all, the show's their game, not mine.  If asked my opinion, I will politely tell them.  Sometimes it does good.

Anyhoo - I don't go to that many shows so I have to be selective and I DO appreciate the effort that goes into putting one on.

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Jerry Evans
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 01:51 PM
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for 
> discussion.......How to promote a show.
> 
> 
> At 04:02 PM 17/06/2008, you wrote:
> >Guys and gals,
> >Here is a topic for discussion. How do clubs 
> promote their shows to get
> >maximum show displays and to get maximum 
> spectator traffic?
> 
> <Big Snip>
> Hi Curt,
>          Excellent idea for a topic.
>          Here is what we do, with a bit of 
> background info first.
>          Let me be quick to point out that our 
> club show has become the 
> biggest in South Africa but is still a small show 
> in comparison to most of 
> the shows overseas. (I'm willing to stand 
> corrected here but I think that 
> our total club membership (cars, engines and 
> tractors) is around 200 
> members and less than 1/2 of those are active 
> members). We are also spread 
> out over a wide geographical area.

.................................snip, snip..............................

>          O.K. Curt, That's enough for now - this 
> reply took this 2 finger 
> typist over 4 hours - that's my contribution to the topic.
> 
> Keep the revs up (or down)
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
> www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Jun 17 16:28:23 2008
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:28:23 +1000
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
References: <30830.168.215.206.73.1213711358.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590749AA08@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com>
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>From my point of observation.

As an exhibitor, I now weigh up the enjoyment factor against the cost 
overall  to go and show. The effort required against the quality of the 
event also plays a part.
I used to attend a lot more events than I do these days. I, like a lot of 
exhibitors, are getting older. There are not as  many younger new people 
coming into the hobby to replace those leaving.
As a spectator,
Many of our 'tourist attractions' Have folded due to people having gone once 
or twice and then thought, "Why do it yet again?"
Now, with the cost of going to events rising drastically, along with the 
general cost of living going crazy, attendances WILL drop.

Clubs started out with 'get togethers' of like minded people that in some 
cases evolved into large show events. Turning a profit was not a factor.
This situation is returning.  I, for one see no way so change this.
It will just have to be accepted and lived with.

A gloomy viewpoint? Yes, but, I feel, an accurate one.

I have paid a lot of money on air fares for this year's travel to the USA. 
The 'enjoyment factor' is such that I think it 'good value' to see all the 
good folk I know over there. To me, the actual engines on show are but a 
small part compared to the love I have for these lifetime friends this hobby 
has given me.
Baraboo, Portland and the Gibsonburg shows, for me, are really meeting 
places to refresh these friendships.

Perhaps the above will give some thoughts to those organisers of events when 
they try and analyse the reasons to hold engine shows.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Jun 17 12:15:50 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:15:50 +0200
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.Post
 script
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080617210812.00be44c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All, By way of explanation.
	Do Not convert the currency mentioned below to your currency. Rather 
convert it to the cost of a good 340ml dumpy bottle of beer.
	A good beer here (Castle Lager - the best in the world -Aww shuddup you 
Aussies :-)) costs us about ZAR 4.00. - That means that Chevrolet's 
sponsorship is worth roughly 30,000 good beers.
Cheers
Jerry

	
	b) Sponsorships:
	i)We (and the University) look for Sponsors and for the last few years our 
main sponsor has been Chevrolet South Africa who give us a very generous 
ZAR 120,000.00. 



From gibsongus at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 17 22:08:41 2008
From: gibsongus at earthlink.net (Gus)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:08:41 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
Message-ID: <5205467.1213765721722.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

George did you find any Info. on a Sendling Diesel engine???

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>Sent: Jun 17, 2008 11:58 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
>
>Peter,
>
>I agree that the Nuenen show is perfect example of how to treat the
>exhibitors well.
>
>1. They has a nice grass field to display on.
>2. They have ropes already setup so exhibitor do not have to rope of
>their area.
>3. They give you tickets which are good to get free food and beer!
>4. They give you a nice cast bronze plaque for the show.
>6. They deliver water for cooling tanks to your display area.
>7. They have a large enough forklift to handle about any size engine
>that would show up.
>
>8. They have only one rule!  "Have fun"
>
>George
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>Listerdiesel
>Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:45 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
>
>
>Basically, that's what they did for Nuenen this year, if the
>exhibitors are looked after, the show will grow.
>
>Fuel costs are a problem, but pleasure outings tend to be one of the
>last things to get ditched when fuel prices rise.
>
>Peter
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jun 18 04:47:54 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:47:54 +0100
Subject: [SEL] A BIG Thank you to...
Message-ID: <6f6025160806180447k3feb8aa8x1639d1ffb19fd0d7@mail.gmail.com>

Dave Rotigel!

Dave very kindly sourced, paid for and posted the Caterpillar 1Y73
service manual to us, and it turned up in the post today.

Now we can get on with starting to sort the beastie out and get it running!

Well done, Dave and thanks again.

Peter
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From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Jun 18 07:29:48 2008
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:29:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
In-Reply-To: <5205467.1213765721722.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <5205467.1213765721722.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Nothing yet.  I did email a German I know to ask if he could find some
info, but haven't heard back from him.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Gus
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:09 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.

George did you find any Info. on a Sendling Diesel engine???

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>Sent: Jun 17, 2008 11:58 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
>
>Peter,
>
>I agree that the Nuenen show is perfect example of how to treat the
>exhibitors well.
>
>1. They has a nice grass field to display on.
>2. They have ropes already setup so exhibitor do not have to rope of
>their area.
>3. They give you tickets which are good to get free food and beer!
>4. They give you a nice cast bronze plaque for the show.
>6. They deliver water for cooling tanks to your display area.
>7. They have a large enough forklift to handle about any size engine
>that would show up.
>
>8. They have only one rule!  "Have fun"
>
>George
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>Listerdiesel
>Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:45 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
>
>
>Basically, that's what they did for Nuenen this year, if the
>exhibitors are looked after, the show will grow.
>
>Fuel costs are a problem, but pleasure outings tend to be one of the
>last things to get ditched when fuel prices rise.
>
>Peter
>
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From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Jun 18 07:46:20 2008
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:46:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Best Show on Tracks
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Just wondering if anyone on this list is going to the show in Woodland
California this Friday through Sunday?

I'm leaving at oh dark hundred in the morning to drive the 600 miles to
the show.

http://www.bestshowontracks.org/

Although the show is very heavy towards the Best/Holt/Caterpillar end of
the hobby, they are also expecting a lot of California made engines as
well as all other engines being welcome as well.

Should be a great show!




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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Jun 18 08:59:48 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:59:48 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Best Show on Tracks
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On 18/06/2008, Best, George <George_Best at adp.com> wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone on this list is going to the show in Woodland
> California this Friday through Sunday?
>
> I'm leaving at oh dark hundred in the morning to drive the 600 miles to
> the show.
>
> http://www.bestshowontracks.org/
>
> Although the show is very heavy towards the Best/Holt/Caterpillar end of
> the hobby, they are also expecting a lot of California made engines as
> well as all other engines being welcome as well.
>
> Should be a great show!

I saw that advertised in the ACMOC journal, the Heidrick Museum is
involved with their collection of Cat/Holt/Best equipment.

Can't be there, but looks very good.

Peter
-- 
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Jun 18 09:00:42 2008
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:00:42 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Best Show on Tracks
Message-ID: <20080618.090043.292.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi George.
I am leaving now, should be there by early evening.  See you there.
 
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:46:20 -0500 "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
writes:
> Just wondering if anyone on this list is going to the show in 
> Woodland
> California this Friday through Sunday?
> 
> I'm leaving at oh dark hundred in the morning to drive the 600 miles 
> to
> the show.
> 
> http://www.bestshowontracks.org/
> 
> Although the show is very heavy towards the Best/Holt/Caterpillar 
> end of
> the hobby, they are also expecting a lot of California made engines 
> as
> well as all other engines being welcome as well.
> 
> Should be a great show!
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From shop at cccomm.net  Wed Jun 18 09:08:09 2008
From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:08:09 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Best Show on Tracks
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Hi George,
I'm going. Have to deliver some KW mags to guys there.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:46 AM
Subject: [SEL] Best Show on Tracks


Just wondering if anyone on this list is going to the show in Woodland
California this Friday through Sunday?

I'm leaving at oh dark hundred in the morning to drive the 600 miles to
the show.

http://www.bestshowontracks.org/

Although the show is very heavy towards the Best/Holt/Caterpillar end of
the hobby, they are also expecting a lot of California made engines as
well as all other engines being welcome as well.

Should be a great show!




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From George_Best at adp.com  Wed Jun 18 09:21:41 2008
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:21:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Best Show on Tracks
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Dave,

Be sure to come by and say "Hi".
We'll have our W.A.I.T. booth so shouldn't be hard to find.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ernst
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 9:08 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Best Show on Tracks

Hi George,
I'm going. Have to deliver some KW mags to guys there.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:46 AM
Subject: [SEL] Best Show on Tracks


Just wondering if anyone on this list is going to the show in Woodland
California this Friday through Sunday?

I'm leaving at oh dark hundred in the morning to drive the 600 miles to
the show.

http://www.bestshowontracks.org/

Although the show is very heavy towards the Best/Holt/Caterpillar end of
the hobby, they are also expecting a lot of California made engines as
well as all other engines being welcome as well.

Should be a great show!




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From tsmith at hal-pc.org  Wed Jun 18 10:38:55 2008
From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:38:55 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Best Show on Tracks
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My wife and I are leaving from Houston, Texas pretty early as well. We 
are driving but only part way (to the airport).

I expect to see a lot of people not only from the states but also a 
lot of folks from Europe and south of the equator.

Hope to see you there,

Tom




I'm looking forward to seeing a lot of both Cats and engines. While 
I'm there I might also get a sip or two of wine.

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:46:20 -0500
  "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com> wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone on this list is going to the show in 
>Woodland
> California this Friday through Sunday?
> 
> I'm leaving at oh dark hundred in the morning to drive the 600 miles 
>to
> the show.
> 
> http://www.bestshowontracks.org/
> 
> Although the show is very heavy towards the Best/Holt/Caterpillar 
>end of
> the hobby, they are also expecting a lot of California made engines 
>as
> well as all other engines being welcome as well.
> 
> Should be a great show!
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From andyglines at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 18 13:18:10 2008
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:18:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Spam=3E_Big_Dig/Parts_Search?=
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Hey Judge, is there any chance that someone could turn a couple of goats loose in the dig area (no I don't mean Arnie and Dave) to remove vegitation?  The goats could remove the heavy stuff better than spraying and you could host a barbeque to feed the "volunteers".
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From jdohagan at comcast.net  Wed Jun 18 15:23:28 2008
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:23:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Best Show on Tracks
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Hi George, Cya there on Sat. Jimmy O'Hagan

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:46 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Best Show on Tracks

Just wondering if anyone on this list is going to the show in Woodland
California this Friday through Sunday?

I'm leaving at oh dark hundred in the morning to drive the 600 miles to
the show.

http://www.bestshowontracks.org/

Although the show is very heavy towards the Best/Holt/Caterpillar end of
the hobby, they are also expecting a lot of California made engines as
well as all other engines being welcome as well.

Should be a great show!




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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Jun 18 15:46:34 2008
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:46:34 +1000
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
In-Reply-To: <30830.168.215.206.73.1213711358.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com
 >
References: <30830.168.215.206.73.1213711358.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080619081239.016d21e0@ncable.com.au>

Hi Curt
Our club run in conjunction with the steam guys "The Junction Rally" 
(the place we took you to by the river) which is only held every 3 
years. Every show has been succesfull over the past 15 years or there 
abouts. Maybe this is because we are not asking enthuriest to rock up 
every year.?? Our last show which was last year had numbers down 
about 10% to 15% but the general consensis was that this was because 
of the timming beiong so cl;ose to the National held in Queensland.

I think it's important to realy make everyone feel welcome and 
appreciated for making the effort to come. Location location 
location! Get a nice area to hold your rally. We dont charge 
exhibitors fees, we do give a nice cast rally badge and entrants bag. 
We used to have free camping on site but due to the rally growing 
over the past years and limited space we have had to make the camping 
area at Wentworth show ground. (4 minute drive) (still free) We 
provide 24/7 security for all displays over the weekend, The local 
fire brigade come in and fill engines with water etc. They do this 
nice and early in the morning so entrants are not waiting to be 
looked after. Good support from local business with the donating of a 
huge crane etc for loading and unloading and the local council 
providing a ramp for the fatg. Flee markets, food stalls run by other 
groups like the lyons club and rotary, scouts etc.

What I've heard recently about some rally's where folks are 
disapointed are: charging exhibitors! charging exhibitors, charging 
exhibitors! If you want to go down this track you will kill your 
rally over night!  If you need a few buck to chip into covering costs 
then run a raffle. Most guys would by $5 of raffle tickets but tell 
you to jam your entrants fee  you know where!

Another interesting thing was the effort given by the host clubs 
members in displaying their own engines. We often learn over the 
years what some guys have in their collections yet we never se them 
on display. Many who travel to rallies make a real effort to bring 
their latest prized restoration which is in itself a draw card to 
your rallies, yet some locals drag out the closest engine to the door 
of the shed with no real effort put in to making an intesresting 
display. I live 30km from where our rally is held. I make 3 trips 
each way to set up and return home as I want to take 3 engines. Other 
local members do similar things. One of our guys who lives a little 
further away brought 3 big engines and 3 tracotrs. Our club owns a 
few portable engines which we also bring down to the rally site and 
display. At a recent Rally that I attanded we were invited to a host 
club shed that housed club engines plus some members engines. It was 
great to be invited but when seeing the nice stuff that was there one 
felt a little let down that some of this gear was not on display at 
the rally feild. This to me is so important because the more engines 
you can have on display the better the atmospher your create for the 
visisting exhibitors.

Just my opinion on some of the important things to consider.
Russell




At 12:02 AM 18/06/2008, you wrote:
>Guys and gals,
>Here is a topic for discussion. How do clubs promote their shows to get
>maximum show displays and to get maximum spectator traffic?
>
>As fuel prices go higher the hobby is certainly going to feel the pinch
>with smaller display and spectator turnouts. No doubt these fuel prices
>are here to stay, so a club has to stir the interest really well to get
>people back out the show grounds. It's going to require a strong effort by
>clubs to get these results.
>
>It would be great to hear what clubs are doing to promote their shows.
>-What efforts in advance of the show? publications, fliers, TV, radio, cable?
>-What efforts the days of the show? TV, cable, local radio?
>-What efforts draw local displays?
>-What efforts draw far away displays?
>-What efforts draw spectators vs. displays.
>-Other unique ways to get folks to the show grounds.
>
>It would be great to get lots of discussion on this. I'd like to summarize
>the comments and read them at our next Cotton Ginning Days Club meeting in
>July. We have about 25,000 spectators and 300 displayers come to our show
>every year, so it is of paramount importance to keep the displays coming!
>Post and post often!
>
>Thanks,
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 18 16:05:45 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:05:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Big Dig/Parts Search
References: <BAY141-W4B8C921E25D19B20262B4C7AB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000c01c8d197$d7518550$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

The goats could remove the heavy stuff better than spraying and
 you could host a barbeque to feed the "volunteers".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Not to mention a little ceremonial blood offering before the dig commences 
.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/resources/sacrifice.htm













c



From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Wed Jun 18 19:19:00 2008
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (ArthurDeana Southwell)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:19:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
References: <30830.168.215.206.73.1213711358.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com><20D5FDABEE7B514B8BA9F136E64010590749AA08@EXCHANGEDS01.ds.ad.adp.com><6f6025160806171144m75356b5ej85878bdb0b2db219@mail.gmail.com>
	<011c01c8d0d1$d97317c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <01eb01c8d1b2$d6efc200$9501a8c0@LapTop>

Well put, Reg.

Arthur Southwell

Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A.

asouth42 at embarqmail.com


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.


> >From my point of observation.
(snip)
> I have paid a lot of money on air fares for this year's travel to the USA.
> The 'enjoyment factor' is such that I think it 'good value' to see all the
> good folk I know over there. To me, the actual engines on show are but a
> small part compared to the love I have for these lifetime friends this 
> hobby
> has given me.
> Baraboo, Portland and the Gibsonburg shows, for me, are really meeting
> places to refresh these friendships.
>
> Perhaps the above will give some thoughts to those organisers of events 
> when
> they try and analyse the reasons to hold engine shows.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Tue Jun 17 15:03:46 2008
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:03:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Test - Do not respond please.
Message-ID: <485834C2.5020104@rustic-engines.com>

If you've opened this you will learn nothing.

I am testing my new email because it hasn't worked up until now.

-- 
Cheers,

Al Harris
Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com


From edurand at mchsi.com  Thu Jun 19 07:25:59 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:25:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Test - Do not respond please.
In-Reply-To: <485834C2.5020104@rustic-engines.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBMEKDHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Okay, Al.  I won't respond 'cause I didn't see your message.

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Al Harris
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 05:04 PM
> To: SEL
> Subject: [SEL] Test - Do not respond please.
> 
> 
> If you've opened this you will learn nothing.
> 
> I am testing my new email because it hasn't 
> worked up until now.
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
> 
> Al Harris




From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Jun 19 13:49:16 2008
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:49:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Test - Do not respond please.
In-Reply-To: <485834C2.5020104@rustic-engines.com>
References: <485834C2.5020104@rustic-engines.com>
Message-ID: <1309.165.206.180.192.1213908556.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Wrong - I DID learn something. I learned that you are testing your email
as you may have problems with it.
Also, this just came in, actually AFTER the other reply you got......
So it was floating in cyberspace for a while..

Bill

> If you've opened this you will learn nothing.
>
> I am testing my new email because it hasn't worked up until now.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Al Harris
> Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz
>
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Jun 19 17:27:45 2008
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:27:45 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: wiko maintenance manual
Message-ID: <d04.35abef56.358c5381@aol.com>

Some one want a copy of a WICO manual.  When I tried sending  this 
information, it was returned as being a bad email address.  If some  body recognizes 
this email address, please forward the data.
 
Francis Maciel
 
 
  
____________________________________
 

     
 

The manuals can be downloaded from this site - 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/WicoMagneto/MagData5.htm_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/WicoMagneto/MagData5.htm) 
 
In a message dated 6/18/2008 7:47:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
mogolko at mcsnet.ca writes:

Please e-mail me a copy of the wiko  ek manual. Thanks




Hope this helps.  

Francis Maciel
Santa Maria, CA  93454





 
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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 19 18:03:26 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:03:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080619081239.016d21e0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <974111.51544.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The last few years I have tried to do my part by putting on an active display.
I have a Mountville Hero two hole corn sheller much like the A.B. Farquare sheller that Mike and Susan Tucker had at Lincoln Tucker's Show & Tell on May 2, 2003.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/ABFarquharCornSheller.jpg

I belt my Mountville Hero sheller up to my 1 3/4HP Hercules S.
I provide 700 pounds of ear corn for folks to feed the sheller.

I stand there holding out an ear of corn to the gals. 
The guys always come with the gals.
If I was asking the guys then?the gals wouldn't come over.
Once I get a gal to look down the hole as she drops in an ear of corn then her reaction calls in more folks.
I give each group the speal about how old the sheller is and what a sweet job it does.
A couple hundred folks a day really thank me for putting on such a nice display.

YES, I just had been watching most of those folks walk right past much nicer engines that were just sitting there doing nothing.
After doing that display three years ago lots of folks came back in 2006 looking for my display. ?Then last year I had a couple folks tell me they came to the show because of my fun display.
Last year there was actually another sheller of this type there.
It was that guy's first time at the Buckley show.
He had been displaying his sheller for 15 years and he had never let the public feed it.
He was completely shocked to see folks walk past his sheller to come feed mine.
I really think he learned something. 

I will soon know how well my new laundry display goes over this year.
There is none of last year's ear corn to be had around here because the harvest was so bad last year. ?I will do my best to engage the public with my new display.
I am trying to get other folks to display this way too.
I have a good friend with one of those self starting old Delco light plants.
He let's folks flip a switch or plug in a cord then the light plant statrts up.
Because he grew up with one of these he really is great at telling lots of stories about them. ?He gets a lot of Thank You comments too.

Interesting displays bring the public back the next year.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan ?U.S. of A.



From pwaugh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jun 19 18:21:29 2008
From: pwaugh at embarqmail.com (Paul Waugh)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:21:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
References: <974111.51544.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005a01c8d273$f7ce3ee0$6401a8c0@PaulNew>

I love it, and it tells the real story .. I just have not gotten around to 
making anything, but that has to change, Thanks Alan

Paul Waugh
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.


The last few years I have tried to do my part by putting on an active 
display.
I have a Mountville Hero two hole corn sheller much like the A.B. Farquare 
sheller that Mike and Susan Tucker had at Lincoln Tucker's Show & Tell on 
May 2, 2003.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/ABFarquharCornSheller.jpg

I belt my Mountville Hero sheller up to my 1 3/4HP Hercules S.
I provide 700 pounds of ear corn for folks to feed the sheller.

I stand there holding out an ear of corn to the gals.
The guys always come with the gals.
If I was asking the guys then the gals wouldn't come over.
Once I get a gal to look down the hole as she drops in an ear of corn then 
her reaction calls in more folks.
I give each group the speal about how old the sheller is and what a sweet 
job it does.
A couple hundred folks a day really thank me for putting on such a nice 
display.

YES, I just had been watching most of those folks walk right past much nicer 
engines that were just sitting there doing nothing.
After doing that display three years ago lots of folks came back in 2006 
looking for my display. Then last year I had a couple folks tell me they 
came to the show because of my fun display.
Last year there was actually another sheller of this type there.
It was that guy's first time at the Buckley show.
He had been displaying his sheller for 15 years and he had never let the 
public feed it.
He was completely shocked to see folks walk past his sheller to come feed 
mine.
I really think he learned something.

I will soon know how well my new laundry display goes over this year.
There is none of last year's ear corn to be had around here because the 
harvest was so bad last year. I will do my best to engage the public with my 
new display.
I am trying to get other folks to display this way too.
I have a good friend with one of those self starting old Delco light plants.
He let's folks flip a switch or plug in a cord then the light plant statrts 
up.
Because he grew up with one of these he really is great at telling lots of 
stories about them. He gets a lot of Thank You comments too.

Interesting displays bring the public back the next year.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan U.S. of A.

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From gibsongus at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 19 22:28:26 2008
From: gibsongus at earthlink.net (Gus)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:28:26 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
Message-ID: <11034873.1213939707184.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Thanks George, did you see any Bears in Alaska???

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>Sent: Jun 18, 2008 7:29 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
>
>Nothing yet.  I did email a German I know to ask if he could find some
>info, but haven't heard back from him.
>
>George
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Gus
>Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:09 PM
>To: The SEL email discussion list
>Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
>
>George did you find any Info. on a Sendling Diesel engine???
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "Best, George" <George_Best at adp.com>
>>Sent: Jun 17, 2008 11:58 AM
>>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
>>
>>Peter,
>>
>>I agree that the Nuenen show is perfect example of how to treat the
>>exhibitors well.
>>
>>1. They has a nice grass field to display on.
>>2. They have ropes already setup so exhibitor do not have to rope of
>>their area.
>>3. They give you tickets which are good to get free food and beer!
>>4. They give you a nice cast bronze plaque for the show.
>>6. They deliver water for cooling tanks to your display area.
>>7. They have a large enough forklift to handle about any size engine
>>that would show up.
>>
>>8. They have only one rule!  "Have fun"
>>
>>George
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>>Listerdiesel
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:45 AM
>>To: The SEL email discussion list
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
>>
>>
>>Basically, that's what they did for Nuenen this year, if the
>>exhibitors are looked after, the show will grow.
>>
>>Fuel costs are a problem, but pleasure outings tend to be one of the
>>last things to get ditched when fuel prices rise.
>>
>>Peter
>>
>>
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Fri Jun 20 00:00:18 2008
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:00:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Parts - The Gig on the Dig
In-Reply-To: <c1a.3e866dd1.358656f5@aol.com>
References: <c1a.3e866dd1.358656f5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <485B5582.6010302@rustic-engines.com>

Stan, we could give it our best shot, but it's a small target
to aim at mate.

Cheers,
Al
Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz


gastzt at aol.com wrote:
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> Texas?  huh?   ha!
>   Stan
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From edurand at mchsi.com  Fri Jun 20 07:32:03 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:32:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
In-Reply-To: <974111.51544.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEELCHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Alan:

I've got a suggestion for your washing machine display.  Invite the girls to let you wash their skivvies.  I'll bet that'll get a bunch of guys to watch.

I'll see 'ya when you're outta the clink (or the hospital).    :-)

Take care - Elden 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of Alan
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 08:03 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for 
> discussion.......How to promote a show.
> 
.......................snippety snip........................

I will soon know how well my new laundry display goes over this year.
There is none of last year's ear corn to be had around here because the harvest was so bad last year. ?I will do my best to engage the public with my new display.
I am trying to get other folks to display this way too.
I have a good friend with one of those self starting old Delco light plants.
He let's folks flip a switch or plug in a cord then the light plant statrts up.
Because he grew up with one of these he really is great at telling lots of stories about them. ?He gets a lot of Thank You comments too.

Interesting displays bring the public back the next year.

Alan Bowen
Williamsburg, Michigan ?U.S. of A.




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 20 15:46:16 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:46:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show. Rick
	Monk
In-Reply-To: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBEELCHBAA.edurand@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <96699.37365.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Rick Monk, Are you out there lurking?????
Don't you want to come to Buckley and join my laundry display?

Has anyone else here actually seen Rick's laundry gag?
I have only heard about it.
That might be a great way to engage the publid with my laundry display.
I am just not sure if I can pull it off.

Alan

--- On Fri, 6/20/08, Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com> wrote:
From: Elden DuRand <edurand at mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 10:32 AM

Alan:  I've got a suggestion for your washing machine display.  Invite the girls to let you wash their skivvies.  I'll bet that'll get a bunch of guys to watch.  I'll see 'ya when you're outta the clink (or the hospital).    :-)  Take care - Elden   > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On >  Behalf Of Alan > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 08:03 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] A topic for  > discussion.......How to promote a show. >  .......................snippety snip........................  I will soon know how well my new laundry display goes over this year. There is none of last year's ear corn to be had around here because the harvest was so bad last year. ?I will do my best to engage the public with my new display. I am trying to get other folks to display this way too. I have a good friend with one of those self starting old Delco
 light plants. He let's folks flip a switch or plug in a cord then the light plant statrts up. Because he grew up with one of these he really is great at telling lots of stories about them. ?He gets a lot of Thank You comments too.  Interesting displays bring the public back the next year.  Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan ?U.S. of A.   _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

From MBellar at aol.com  Fri Jun 20 16:21:41 2008
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:21:41 EDT
Subject: [SEL] White elephant?? Old Iron?? or Scrap iron ???
Message-ID: <d58.2500356f.358d9585@aol.com>

I have a Reid reversing clutch and pedestal that came with my left hand 15  
HP Reid. I have stubbed my toe  on it and had to move it about the  barn one 
too many times. If anybody wants it for scrap metal prices,  I would be happy to 
load it on their truck. Contact me off List.
 
Tom Bellar East of Cincinnati, OH



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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Fri Jun 20 17:00:36 2008
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:00:36 +1000
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show. Rick
 Monk
In-Reply-To: <96699.37365.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <96699.37365.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <485C44A4.4010607@rustic-engines.com>

It's easy Alan. You just get them to raise their arms, slip your (warm) 
hands slowly up their torso so as to not alarm them, gathering the 
material as you go ........

-- 
Cheers,

Al Harris
Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com


Alan wrote:
> Rick Monk, Are you out there lurking?????
> Don't you want to come to Buckley and join my laundry display?
>
> Has anyone else here actually seen Rick's laundry gag?
> I have only heard about it.
> That might be a great way to engage the publid with my laundry display.
> I am just not sure if I can pull it off.
>
> Alan
>
>   



From fgreatwestern at comcast.net  Sat Jun 21 20:04:41 2008
From: fgreatwestern at comcast.net (fgreatwestern at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:04:41 +0000
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
Message-ID: <062220080304.25664.485DC149000E084F000064402200735446029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net>

Is the SEL working OK?  Haven't received any messages all day.  Thanks.
Fred in MI

From reb1952 at bellsouth.net  Sat Jun 21 20:14:01 2008
From: reb1952 at bellsouth.net (Dickie)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 22:14:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
References: <062220080304.25664.485DC149000E084F000064402200735446029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <004501c8d416$04f14970$8fa9db0c@TOSHIBA>

Maybe everybody is at Coolsprings.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fgreatwestern at comcast.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:04 PM
Subject: [SEL] SEL working


> Is the SEL working OK?  Haven't received any messages all day.  Thanks.
> Fred in MI
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG.
> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1512 - Release Date: 6/21/2008 
> 9:27 AM
>
> 



From endacomm10 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 21 20:19:32 2008
From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:19:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
In-Reply-To: <062220080304.25664.485DC149000E084F000064402200735446029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <420916.35040.qm@web51408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Seems to be.. 


--- On Sat, 6/21/08, fgreatwestern at comcast.net <fgreatwestern at comcast.net> wrote:

From: fgreatwestern at comcast.net <fgreatwestern at comcast.net>
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 11:04 PM

Is the SEL working OK?  Haven't received any messages all day.  Thanks.
Fred in MI
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


      

From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Jun 21 20:19:47 2008
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 23:19:47 EDT
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
Message-ID: <bc5.278c0f15.358f1ed3@aol.com>

Your message arrived here at 8:08 local PDT.
 
 
In a message dated 6/21/2008 8:08:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
fgreatwestern at comcast.net writes:

Haven't  received any messages all day.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA  93454





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From fgreatwestern at comcast.net  Sat Jun 21 20:30:26 2008
From: fgreatwestern at comcast.net (fgreatwestern at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:30:26 +0000
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
Message-ID: <062220080330.13584.485DC75200043094000035102207021053029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net>

Your probably right.  We got back yesterday around 9 p.m.  Great show as usual.

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Dickie" <reb1952 at bellsouth.net> 

> Maybe everybody is at Coolsprings. 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:04 PM 
> Subject: [SEL] SEL working 
> 
> 
> > Is the SEL working OK? Haven't received any messages all day. Thanks. 
> > Fred in MI 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > SEL mailing list 
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > No virus found in this incoming message. 
> > Checked by AVG. 
> > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1512 - Release Date: 6/21/2008 
> > 9:27 AM 
> > 
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> SEL mailing list 
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 

From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Sat Jun 21 20:39:18 2008
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 23:39:18 EDT
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
Message-ID: <d34.2c72b74f.358f2366@aol.com>

coming into Missouri loud and  clear.
Ron



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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Sat Jun 21 21:38:00 2008
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:38:00 +1000
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
In-Reply-To: <062220080330.13584.485DC75200043094000035102207021053029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net>
References: <062220080330.13584.485DC75200043094000035102207021053029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <485DD728.7030709@rustic-engines.com>

Made it up here to Oz OK.


-- 
Cheers,

Al Harris
Winter Clarence Coast NSW Oz

al.harris at rustic-engines.com


fgreatwestern at comcast.net wrote:
> Your probably right.  We got back yesterday around 9 p.m.  Great show as usual.
>
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: "Dickie" <reb1952 at bellsouth.net> 
>
>   
>> Maybe everybody is at Coolsprings. 
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:04 PM 
>> Subject: [SEL] SEL working 
>>
>>
>>     
>>> Is the SEL working OK? Haven't received any messages all day. Thanks. 
>>> Fred in MI 
>>> _______________________________________________ 
>>> SEL mailing list 
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
>>>       



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Jun 22 04:34:11 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 07:34:11 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
In-Reply-To: <004501c8d416$04f14970$8fa9db0c@TOSHIBA>
References: <062220080304.25664.485DC149000E084F000064402200735446029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net>
	<004501c8d416$04f14970$8fa9db0c@TOSHIBA>
Message-ID: <EA4F4FFE-8467-4E2D-91AB-1D33CB1FA0E9@alltel.net>

Jake tells me that the attendance at the Coolspring Show was UP by  
about 40% this year! I think that (given the price of fuel) people  
are picking fewer shows to go to picking only what they consider to  
be THE BEST, at that. It was PACKED!
	Dave


On Jun 21, 2008, at 11:14 PM, Dickie wrote:

> Maybe everybody is at Coolsprings.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <fgreatwestern at comcast.net>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:04 PM
> Subject: [SEL] SEL working
>
>
>> Is the SEL working OK?  Haven't received any messages all day.   
>> Thanks.
>> Fred in MI
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG.
>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1512 - Release Date:  
>> 6/21/2008
>> 9:27 AM
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Sun Jun 22 06:11:20 2008
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 09:11:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
References: <062220080304.25664.485DC149000E084F000064402200735446029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net><004501c8d416$04f14970$8fa9db0c@TOSHIBA>
	<EA4F4FFE-8467-4E2D-91AB-1D33CB1FA0E9@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <008501c8d469$770f5fd0$0401a8c0@PC126411058289>

I usually try to visit Coolsprings at least for one day each year, but 
couldn't make it this year.  The Tod Engine project was given the use of a 
20,000 lb. forklift to use for the summer and I've been spending all my time 
getting it running. It needed a new carburetor and it took quite a while to 
find a plain old single barrel to put on it.  We had to make up an adapter 
for it, then had to put a new exhaust on.  I had some 2" sweeping conduit 
elbows and pipe fittings and fashioned the exhaust out of that.  It will 
take 100 years for that exhaust to rot away!

This forklift has a 20' reach, the highest I've ever seen a forklift go! 
Finally did get it running last night, and we just had to drive it around 
the block.  It was raining and when that high mast hit some tree branches 
all the water came down on our heads. :-)

It will be a great help in erecting our new enginehouse building over the 
summer.

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Foundation
"Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-272-4089
www.todengine.org

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL working


> Jake tells me that the attendance at the Coolspring Show was UP by
> about 40% this year! I think that (given the price of fuel) people
> are picking fewer shows to go to picking only what they consider to
> be THE BEST, at that. It was PACKED!
> Dave
>
>
> On Jun 21, 2008, at 11:14 PM, Dickie wrote:
>
>> Maybe everybody is at Coolsprings.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <fgreatwestern at comcast.net>
>> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:04 PM
>> Subject: [SEL] SEL working
>>
>>
>>> Is the SEL working OK?  Haven't received any messages all day.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Fred in MI
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG.
>>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1512 - Release Date:
>>> 6/21/2008
>>> 9:27 AM
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 08:54:15 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:54:15 +0100
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <6f6025160806220854n5ec827b6lf88aea01e49a5642@mail.gmail.com>

Very windy and wet weekend, although today was warmer than yesterday
when it dropped to the low 50's fahrenheit.

Scored a new AC fuel pump for the Onan W3S generator, remanufactured
in the 1980's but still worth getting after the problems we had with
ours just before Nuenen.

Also picked up the Petter AV1 diesel genny on the way up to the show,
we had to deliver some repaired kit to one of our customers in
Stourbridge, Birmingham, and the genny was within a mile of where we
were delivering :-))

Pictures up at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark2008/Astle2008Menu1.htm

or:

http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/AstlePark2008/Astle2008Menu1.htm

2 pages, about 70 pictures on the thumbnail menus.

Peter

-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 22 14:58:09 2008
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:58:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
In-Reply-To: <008501c8d469$770f5fd0$0401a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <633666.12520.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nice, Rick.
I will lend you my 3500 Ford Industrial tractor for a year too.
It just needs it's fuel line replace,? injector pump rebuilt, 3 sleeves, 3 pistons, some bearings and a few gaskets.
Once you get that all done that nice loader bucket is really handy to have.

Alan

--- On Sun, 6/22/08, Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com> wrote:
From: Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL working
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 9:11 AM

I usually try to visit Coolsprings at least for one day each year, but  couldn't make it this year.  The Tod Engine project was given the use of a  20,000 lb. forklift to use for the summer and I've been spending all my time  getting it running. It needed a new carburetor and it took quite a while to  find a plain old single barrel to put on it.  We had to make up an adapter  for it, then had to put a new exhaust on.  I had some 2" sweeping conduit  elbows and pipe fittings and fashioned the exhaust out of that.  It will  take 100 years for that exhaust to rot away!  This forklift has a 20' reach, the highest I've ever seen a forklift go!  Finally did get it running last night, and we just had to drive it around  the block.  It was raining and when that high mast hit some tree branches  all the water came down on our heads. :-)  It will be a great help in erecting our new enginehouse building over the  summer.  Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine
 Foundation "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH  44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org  ----- Original Message -----  From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL working   > Jake tells me that the attendance at the Coolspring Show was UP by > about 40% this year! I think that (given the price of fuel) people > are picking fewer shows to go to picking only what they consider to > be THE BEST, at that. It was PACKED! > Dave > > > On Jun 21, 2008, at 11:14 PM, Dickie wrote: > >> Maybe everybody is at Coolsprings. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <fgreatwestern at comcast.net> >> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> >> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:04 PM >> Subject: [SEL] SEL working >> >> >>> Is the SEL working OK?  Haven't received any messages all day. >>> Thanks. >>>
 Fred in MI >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> --  >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1512 - Release Date: >>> 6/21/2008 >>> 9:27 AM >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >    _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

From rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com  Sun Jun 22 15:31:55 2008
From: rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com (Tod Engine Foundation)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:31:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
References: <633666.12520.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00da01c8d4b7$c719f550$0401a8c0@PC126411058289>

If it needs all that much work it would have to be a two year loan, and do 
something that my Allis Chalmers loader won't do!

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL working


Nice, Rick.
I will lend you my 3500 Ford Industrial tractor for a year too.
It just needs it's fuel line replace, injector pump rebuilt, 3 sleeves, 3 
pistons, some bearings and a few gaskets.
Once you get that all done that nice loader bucket is really handy to have.

Alan

--- On Sun, 6/22/08, Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com> 
wrote:
From: Tod Engine Foundation <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL working
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 9:11 AM

I usually try to visit Coolsprings at least for one day each year, but 
couldn't make it this year.  The Tod Engine project was given the use of a 
20,000 lb. forklift to use for the summer and I've been spending all my time 
getting it running. It needed a new carburetor and it took quite a while to 
find a plain old single barrel to put on it.  We had to make up an adapter 
for it, then had to put a new exhaust on.  I had some 2" sweeping conduit 
elbows and pipe fittings and fashioned the exhaust out of that.  It will 
take 100 years for that exhaust to rot away!  This forklift has a 20' reach, 
the highest I've ever seen a forklift go!  Finally did get it running last 
night, and we just had to drive it around  the block.  It was raining and 
when that high mast hit some tree branches  all the water came down on our 
heads. :-)  It will be a great help in erecting our new enginehouse building 
over the  summer.  Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine
 Foundation "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage" 2261 Hubbard 
Road Youngstown, OH  44505 330-272-4089 www.todengine.org  ----- Original 
Message -----  From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net> To: "The SEL email 
discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 
2008 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL working   > Jake tells me that the 
attendance at the Coolspring Show was UP by > about 40% this year! I think 
that (given the price of fuel) people > are picking fewer shows to go to 
picking only what they consider to > be THE BEST, at that. It was PACKED! > 
Dave > > > On Jun 21, 2008, at 11:14 PM, Dickie wrote: > >> Maybe everybody 
is at Coolsprings. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: 
<fgreatwestern at comcast.net> >> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> >> 
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:04 PM >> Subject: [SEL] SEL working >> >> 
 >>> Is the SEL working OK?  Haven't received any messages all day. >>> 
Thanks. >>>
 Fred in MI >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL 
mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> 
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> --  >>> No 
virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 
7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1512 - Release Date: >>> 6/21/2008 >>> 
9:27 AM >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL 
mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> 
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > 
_______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > 
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > 
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > 
_______________________________________________ SEL mailing list 
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Jun 22 20:22:04 2008
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:22:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Best Show On Tracks pictures
Message-ID: <20080622.202206.956.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
I just put up 123 pictures from The Best Show On Tracks.  I have not put
on any captions or checked the arrangement.  There were so many tractors
it was impossible to photograph each one individually.  So they are in
rows or groups.  Some that struck my fancy got a close up.  There are old
trucks, fire trucks, heavy equipment, horse powered equipment, steam
engines, gas engines, and lots and lots of crawlers.  Enjoy.

http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/TheBestShowOnTracks

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun 23 02:08:46 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 05:08:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL working
In-Reply-To: <633666.12520.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <633666.12520.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1214212126.485f681e19340@webmail.city-net.com>

ROFLMAO!!  Alan, I think you're onto something here...  See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Alan <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>:

> Nice, Rick.
> I will lend you my 3500 Ford Industrial tractor for a year too.
> It just needs it's fuel line replace,? injector pump rebuilt, 3 sleeves, 3
> pistons, some bearings and a few gaskets.
> Once you get that all done that nice loader bucket is really handy to have.



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Mon Jun 23 03:35:16 2008
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 06:35:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Best Show On Tracks pictures
References: <20080622.202206.956.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <007301c8d51c$d3dee560$726f4b47@mikecomp>

That was excellent, thanks for sharing.

MR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <Wapa-members at rustyiron.com>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] Best Show On Tracks pictures


> Hi all.
> I just put up 123 pictures from The Best Show On Tracks.  I have not put
> on any captions or checked the arrangement.  There were so many tractors
> it was impossible to photograph each one individually.  So they are in
> rows or groups.  Some that struck my fancy got a close up.  There are old
> trucks, fire trucks, heavy equipment, horse powered equipment, steam
> engines, gas engines, and lots and lots of crawlers.  Enjoy.
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell/TheBestShowOnTracks
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
> ____________________________________________________________
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From plowe at exemail.com.au  Mon Jun 23 05:58:57 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:58:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Western Union money order from Oz for engine parts
Message-ID: <005301c8d530$e686f590$0200a8c0@altech>

Hi guys and gals
I am sending a Western Union Money Order to Ohio from Australia, do your 
post offices cash those OK????
Please come back ASAP, are all states the same for these money orders???

Peter, Oz





From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Jun 23 06:37:09 2008
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:37:09 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Best Show On Tracks pictures
Message-ID: <c68.2cd82284.35910105@aol.com>

Ron,
Thanks for sharing the photos.
 
Francis Maciel
 
 
In a message dated 6/22/2008 8:29:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
rdhaskell at juno.com writes:

I just  put up 123 pictures from The Best Show On  Tracks. 




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fuel-efficient used cars.      (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Jun 23 06:46:41 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:46:41 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Western Union money order from Oz for engine parts
In-Reply-To: <005301c8d530$e686f590$0200a8c0@altech>
References: <005301c8d530$e686f590$0200a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <485FA941.20301@scrtc.com>

Peter,
    A WU Money order is as good as cash.  They don't have to go through 
the PO and can be cashed at a bank or any location that does Western 
Union.  We have some local grocery stores and pharmacies that do.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Hi guys and gals
>I am sending a Western Union Money Order to Ohio from Australia, do your 
>post offices cash those OK????
>Please come back ASAP, are all states the same for these money orders???
>
>Peter, Oz
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Jun 23 17:00:33 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:00:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
Message-ID: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>

See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmnXH5kNNsI
	Dave


From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Jun 23 15:21:46 2008
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:21:46 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Western Union money order from Oz for engine parts
In-Reply-To: <485FA941.20301@scrtc.com>
References: <005301c8d530$e686f590$0200a8c0@altech> <485FA941.20301@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080624081643.022d5330@ncable.com.au>

Just for conversation; I was interested to see that ebay banned the 
use of western union money orders some time ago saying how un-safe 
they are! For what it is worth I have used them plenty of times and 
never had an once of trouble. If I was to have a hickup it may have 
been when they turned to electronic tranfers from the US to here. 
Instead of finding a note in my post box, the money was sitting on 
the local post office Pc. Just showed them my id and they forked cash 
out. ALL GOOD!
Russell

At 11:46 PM 23/06/2008, you wrote:
>Peter,
>     A WU Money order is as good as cash.  They don't have to go through
>the PO and can be cashed at a bank or any location that does Western
>Union.  We have some local grocery stores and pharmacies that do.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>
>
> >Hi guys and gals
> >I am sending a Western Union Money Order to Ohio from Australia, do your
> >post offices cash those OK????
> >Please come back ASAP, are all states the same for these money orders???
> >
> >Peter, Oz
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From russell at ncable.com.au  Mon Jun 23 15:23:05 2008
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:23:05 +1000
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160806220854n5ec827b6lf88aea01e49a5642@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <6f6025160806220854n5ec827b6lf88aea01e49a5642@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080624082210.020940e0@ncable.com.au>

Great Pic's Peter, Shame you had ordinary weather.
Russell

At 01:54 AM 23/06/2008, you wrote:
>Very windy and wet weekend, although today was warmer than yesterday
>when it dropped to the low 50's fahrenheit.
>
>Scored a new AC fuel pump for the Onan W3S generator, remanufactured
>in the 1980's but still worth getting after the problems we had with
>ours just before Nuenen.
>
>Also picked up the Petter AV1 diesel genny on the way up to the show,
>we had to deliver some repaired kit to one of our customers in
>Stourbridge, Birmingham, and the genny was within a mile of where we
>were delivering :-))
>
>Pictures up at:
>
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/AstlePark2008/Astle2008Menu1.htm
>
>or:
>
>http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk/AstlePark2008/Astle2008Menu1.htm
>
>2 pages, about 70 pictures on the thumbnail menus.
>
>Peter
>
>--
>Peter A Forbes
>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>http://stationary-engine.co.uk
>http://www.oldengine.co.uk
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 22:45:34 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:45:34 +0100
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080624082210.020940e0@ncable.com.au>
References: <6f6025160806220854n5ec827b6lf88aea01e49a5642@mail.gmail.com>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20080624082210.020940e0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806232245s164c211ej91b3867dbfdf291f@mail.gmail.com>

On 23/06/2008, Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au> wrote:
> Great Pic's Peter, Shame you had ordinary weather.
> Russell
>

Yup, when you think of the glorious weekend we had at Nuenen, it's
enough to make you cry!

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From endacomm10 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 23 23:02:16 2008
From: endacomm10 at yahoo.com (S. Work)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:02:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
In-Reply-To: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <719522.52030.qm@web51410.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Kool !? My Hometown !


--- On Mon, 6/23/08, David Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:

From: David Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Jennifer Rotigel" <jrotigel at alltel.net>
Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 8:00 PM

See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmnXH5kNNsI
	Dave
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


      

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Jun 23 23:34:32 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:34:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Western Union money order from Oz for engine parts
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080624081643.022d5330@ncable.com.au>
References: <005301c8d530$e686f590$0200a8c0@altech> <485FA941.20301@scrtc.com>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20080624081643.022d5330@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <1214289272.48609578e7ef4@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Russell,

Quoting Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au>:

> Just for conversation; I was interested to see that ebay banned the 
> use of western union money orders some time ago saying how un-safe 
> they are! 

I think the eBay flap was over scammers using bogus western union money orders
in conjunction with eBay auctions.  The scam was to send the MO for way more
money than the auction needed and ask the seller to send cash in return.

See ya,  Arnie




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Jun 23 23:44:23 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:44:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
In-Reply-To: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>

On Jun 23, 2008, at 5:00 PM, David Rotigel wrote:

> See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmnXH5kNNsI
> 	Dave

Damn, Dave!  That's one fine lookin' engine.  You've got her running  
slooooooow.

As long as we're engaging in shameless YouTube self-promotion, here's  
a video I promised a week ago:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiK9J1cuYL0&fmt=18

And here's a video of a scene hog, shot by Christian Williams:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPhTdUTFZZQ&fmt=18

Party on, Wayne!







From russell at ncable.com.au  Tue Jun 24 00:04:06 2008
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:04:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Western Union money order from Oz for engine parts
In-Reply-To: <1214289272.48609578e7ef4@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <005301c8d530$e686f590$0200a8c0@altech> <485FA941.20301@scrtc.com>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20080624081643.022d5330@ncable.com.au>
	<1214289272.48609578e7ef4@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080624170322.022db570@ncable.com.au>

Fair enough Arnie, shame I didn't think of that :-)

At 04:34 PM 24/06/2008, you wrote:
>G'day Russell,
>
>Quoting Russell Gilbert <russell at ncable.com.au>:
>
> > Just for conversation; I was interested to see that ebay banned the
> > use of western union money orders some time ago saying how un-safe
> > they are!
>
>I think the eBay flap was over scammers using bogus western union money orders
>in conjunction with eBay auctions.  The scam was to send the MO for way more
>money than the auction needed and ask the seller to send cash in return.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From russell at ncable.com.au  Tue Jun 24 00:13:28 2008
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:13:28 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
In-Reply-To: <35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
	<35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080624171056.022f6c50@ncable.com.au>

Hey guys a nice way to start enjoying a few days off; I just got 
home, cracked a tiny and check the sel, I see you have a neat kero 
tin near your engine dave! I also had a look at robs vidoe then had 
to check out another he done on a 25 hp engine with plenty of 
comentary, an excellent vidoe Rob, good stuff.
Russell

At 04:44 PM 24/06/2008, you wrote:
>On Jun 23, 2008, at 5:00 PM, David Rotigel wrote:
>
> > See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmnXH5kNNsI
> >       Dave
>
>Damn, Dave!  That's one fine lookin' engine.  You've got her running
>slooooooow.
>
>As long as we're engaging in shameless YouTube self-promotion, here's
>a video I promised a week 
>ago:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiK9J1cuYL0&fmt=18
>
>And here's a video of a scene hog, shot by Christian Williams:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPhTdUTFZZQ&fmt=18
>
>Party on, Wayne!
>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Jun 24 02:31:53 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 05:31:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
In-Reply-To: <35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
	<35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <1214299913.4860bf09c8514@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey Dave,

It sure would hve saved us a lot of trouble if Rob had made one of these nifty
"how to start" videos for the Austral.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>:

> And here's a video of a scene hog, shot by Christian Williams:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPhTdUTFZZQ&fmt=18




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Jun 24 05:02:37 2008
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:02:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
In-Reply-To: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <4860E25D.2050603@scrtc.com>

Nice Video Dave!  I wished I could  have made it to SIAM.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmnXH5kNNsI
>	Dave
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 24 05:50:44 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:50:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Western Union money order from Oz for engine parts
References: <005301c8d530$e686f590$0200a8c0@altech>
	<485FA941.20301@scrtc.com><7.0.1.0.1.20080624081643.022d5330@ncable.com.au>
	<1214289272.48609578e7ef4@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c8d5f8$eb512af0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>


> Quoting Russell Gilbert >> Just for conversation; I was interested to see 
> that ebay banned the
>> use of western union money orders some time ago saying how un-safe
>> they are! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
> > I think the eBay flap was over scammers using bogus western union money 
> > orders
> in conjunction with eBay auctions. > See ya,  Arnie >>>

Oh loahdy loahdy somebody please come and po-tects me !
Gimme a break , they dont care if youre that stupid .
 It's all about the float  . 



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun 24 07:33:59 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:33:59 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
In-Reply-To: <1214299913.4860bf09c8514@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
	<35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
	<1214299913.4860bf09c8514@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <5060008B-DBA1-4A21-A923-66CF8EC3C977@rustyiron.com>

  2008, at 2:31 AM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

> Hey Dave,
>
> It sure would hve saved us a lot of trouble if Rob had made one of  
> these nifty
> "how to start" videos for the Austral.  8-))


Sell high,
Don't make a video,
Buy back low.

Yep, that's my business strategy.
So Dave, how does $270 per ton sound?




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 07:46:06 2008
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:46:06 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
In-Reply-To: <5060008B-DBA1-4A21-A923-66CF8EC3C977@rustyiron.com>
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
	<35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
	<1214299913.4860bf09c8514@webmail.city-net.com>
	<5060008B-DBA1-4A21-A923-66CF8EC3C977@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160806240746u35919bffm652da40b872b0638@mail.gmail.com>

On 24/06/2008, Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:
>   2008, at 2:31 AM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Dave,
>>
>> It sure would hve saved us a lot of trouble if Rob had made one of
>> these nifty
>> "how to start" videos for the Austral.  8-))
>
>
> Sell high,
> Don't make a video,
> Buy back low.
>
> Yep, that's my business strategy.
> So Dave, how does $270 per ton sound?

I'd give him $US 330.00 per ton if he includes shipping in the price.... :-))

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From curt at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun 24 09:34:23 2008
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:34:23 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] A topic for discussion.......How to promote a show.
In-Reply-To: <974111.51544.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <974111.51544.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <10791.168.215.206.73.1214325263.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Many thanks to all who replied to the thread on how to promote a show. I
have printed all of them and they should be good reading for our next
meeting.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

> The last few years I have tried to do my part by putting on an active
> display.
> I have a Mountville Hero two hole corn sheller much like the A.B. Farquare
> sheller that Mike and Susan Tucker had at Lincoln Tucker's Show & Tell on
> May 2, 2003.
>




From andyglines at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 24 11:25:40 2008
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:25:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 51, Issue 24
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1214323202.14059.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.1.1214323202.14059.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-W1846D3973F098368E80090C7A10@phx.gbl>


Dave found this one before I could point it out to him.  If you check out this user's other videos you might get to see another mostly stationary engine at the SIAM show.> Message: 1> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:00:33 -0400> From: David Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>> Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>> Cc: Jennifer Rotigel <jrotigel at alltel.net>> Message-ID: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419 at alltel.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed> > See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmnXH5kNNsI> Dave
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 24 15:53:43 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:53:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
	<35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c8d64d$278eb970$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>


>
> As long as we're engaging in shameless YouTube self-promotion, here's
> a video I promised a week ago: 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiK9J1cuYL0&fmt=18
>
Daaaaayum ! That is the coolest thing since breast implants for tattoos !
What ever happened to the guy building the showman's engine over the pond  ?
I saw some photos of big weldments , a frame , and boiler bits last year   .
Anyone seen updates ?







> And here's a video of a scene hog, shot by Christian Williams:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPhTdUTFZZQ&fmt=18
> > Party on, Wayne!

You do that right , and  I bet you could easily clear Momma's Ford  .
But .......can he stick the landing ?











c



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Jun 24 18:43:44 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:43:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
In-Reply-To: <003a01c8d64d$278eb970$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
	<35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
	<003a01c8d64d$278eb970$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <BCE40941-CE21-4BED-BA5D-EBF5C1E5CCA9@rustyiron.com>

On Jun 24, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Chuck Balyeat wrote:
> Daaaaayum ! That is the coolest thing since breast implants for  
> tattoos !
> What ever happened to the guy building the showman's engine over the  
> pond  ?
> I saw some photos of big weldments , a frame , and boiler bits last  
> year   .
> Anyone seen updates ?

You sure you're not thinking of the same project, and the big lake is  
Havasu?








From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Jun 24 19:00:04 2008
From: rotigel at alltel.net (David Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:00:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
In-Reply-To: <5060008B-DBA1-4A21-A923-66CF8EC3C977@rustyiron.com>
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
	<35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
	<1214299913.4860bf09c8514@webmail.city-net.com>
	<5060008B-DBA1-4A21-A923-66CF8EC3C977@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <B2BA004D-C73D-4C41-89FB-9C882987CEA8@alltel.net>


On Jun 24, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:

>  2008, at 2:31 AM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Dave,
>>
>> It sure would hve saved us a lot of trouble if Rob had made one of
>> these nifty
>> "how to start" videos for the Austral.  8-))
Arnie, At $150.00 per hour (I got his bill yesterday) for a doG Damn  
telephone "advice" I understand hos motivation!
>>
>
>
Hi Rob,
> Sell high,
You did!
>
> Don't make a video,
You did, but there was no "hot spot" at the SIAM show grounds!
>
> Buy back low.
Rots of Ruck!
>
>
> Yep, that's my business strategy.
> So Dave, how does $270 per ton sound?
How about I rent it to you at Baraboo and Portland for $599.99 per  
pound/per day?
	Dave
PS, Kelley, Don't worry, it's YOURS at BOTH shows (no charge.) I'll be  
showing the Baby Reid!
>


From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Tue Jun 24 20:58:46 2008
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:58:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Engine shows this weekend or next in Wash. DC area?
In-Reply-To: <BAY141-W1846D3973F098368E80090C7A10@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.1.1214323202.14059.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
	<BAY141-W1846D3973F098368E80090C7A10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E77A519D-9836-407C-A3FD-B57BE6268D42@herculesengines.com>


>
> I'm going to be in the DC area this weekend through July 5th.  Are  
> there any engine shows within a couple of hours of DC?
Thanks.
Keith
WWW.herculesengines.com



From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Jun 24 10:37:21 2008
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:37:21 +0100
Subject: [SEL] the weekend
Message-ID: <003e01c8d620$f4eb0680$8cffa859@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi guys,
            This weekend I was at the 1000engine show at Astle Park, the weather was not that great but the engines were good. One surprise that I got was an engine that was imported from the U.S in late 2007, as it came from Ashville N.C now I would have thought the cloistered oyster brothers would not have let it out of the state not to mention the country.

Cheers Craig in Scotland


P.S; with the rising cost of fuel maybe it was one of them that wsa selling priceless artefacts.

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jun 25 01:46:20 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:46:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Western Union money order from Oz for engine parts
In-Reply-To: <002e01c8d5f8$eb512af0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
References: <005301c8d530$e686f590$0200a8c0@altech>
	<485FA941.20301@scrtc.com><7.0.1.0.1.20080624081643.022d5330@ncable.com.au>
	<1214289272.48609578e7ef4@webmail.city-net.com>
	<002e01c8d5f8$eb512af0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
Message-ID: <1214383580.486205dc7c10a@webmail.city-net.com>

heh-heh-heh

I'll bet it would have been a hoot to be in the eBay corporate boardroom when
they were talking about how scammers were making money off eBay clients.  I can
just hear the discussions along the lines of "Man, how can WE get a piece of
that action?!?!

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Chuck Balyeat <kerogas at sbcglobal.net>:

> > > I think the eBay flap was over scammers using bogus western union money 
> > > orders in conjunction with eBay auctions. 
> 
> Oh loahdy loahdy somebody please come and po-tects me !
> Gimme a break , they dont care if youre that stupid .
>  It's all about the float  . 




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jun 25 01:53:24 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:53:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
In-Reply-To: <5060008B-DBA1-4A21-A923-66CF8EC3C977@rustyiron.com>
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
	<35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
	<1214299913.4860bf09c8514@webmail.city-net.com>
	<5060008B-DBA1-4A21-A923-66CF8EC3C977@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <1214384004.48620784e77f7@webmail.city-net.com>

ROFLMAO!!!  Hey Rob, you forgot about those "consulting fees" for when Dave and
I call you from a show.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>:

> > It sure would hve saved us a lot of trouble if Rob had made one of  
> > these nifty "how to start" videos for the Austral.  8-))
> 
> Sell high,
> Don't make a video,
> Buy back low.
> 
> Yep, that's my business strategy.
> So Dave, how does $270 per ton sound?




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Jun 25 02:27:19 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:27:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] the weekend
In-Reply-To: <003e01c8d620$f4eb0680$8cffa859@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <003e01c8d620$f4eb0680$8cffa859@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <1214386039.48620f77288b9@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Craig,

Which engine?  

BTW you should know by now that the Cloistered Oyster Brothers aren't bothered
by the skyrocketing price of oil and fuel.  One of 'em is IN the oil bidness. 
If they have any problem at all it's how to get rid of those bazillions of
dollars that just keep piling up everywhere.  Bloody fire hazard ya know. 
8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting craig morrison <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk>:

>             This weekend I was at the 1000engine show at Astle Park, the
> weather was not that great but the engines were good. One surprise that I got
> was an engine that was imported from the U.S in late 2007, as it came from
> Ashville N.C now I would have thought the cloistered oyster brothers would
> not have let it out of the state not to mention the country.
> 
> Cheers Craig in Scotland
> 
> 
> P.S; with the rising cost of fuel maybe it was one of them that wsa selling
> priceless artefacts.



From plowe at exemail.com.au  Wed Jun 25 05:08:54 2008
From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:08:54 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Western Union money order from Oz for engine parts
References: <005301c8d530$e686f590$0200a8c0@altech><485FA941.20301@scrtc.com><7.0.1.0.1.20080624081643.022d5330@ncable.com.au><1214289272.48609578e7ef4@webmail.city-net.com><002e01c8d5f8$eb512af0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<1214383580.486205dc7c10a@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000701c8d6bc$3d1bffe0$0200a8c0@altech>

They aleady have a large piece of the action Arnie, they charge you to place 
an advert, they take a commission off the sale and now they slog you for 
using PayPal to pay for it. Do they need any more.!!!!

Pete, Oz



> heh-heh-heh
>
> I'll bet it would have been a hoot to be in the eBay corporate boardroom 
> when
> they were talking about how scammers were making money off eBay clients. 
> I can
> just hear the discussions along the lines of "Man, how can WE get a piece 
> of
> that action?!?!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Quoting Chuck Balyeat <kerogas at sbcglobal.net>:
>
>> > > I think the eBay flap was over scammers using bogus western union 
>> > > money
>> > > orders in conjunction with eBay auctions.
>>
>> Oh loahdy loahdy somebody please come and po-tects me !
>> Gimme a break , they dont care if youre that stupid .
>>  It's all about the float  .
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 25 05:36:05 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:36:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net><35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com><003a01c8d64d$278eb970$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<BCE40941-CE21-4BED-BA5D-EBF5C1E5CCA9@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <002501c8d6c0$09d184d0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

 >> What ever happened to the guy building the showman's engine over the  
>> pond  ?
>> I saw some photos of big weldments , a frame , and boiler bits last  
>> year   .
>> Anyone seen updates ?
> 
> You sure you're not thinking of the same project, and the big lake is  
> Havasu?
 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Twisted iron ropework and other bits of gawdy engine jewelry ,  it was a 
showman's  engine .  


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 25 07:13:08 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:13:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] the weekend
In-Reply-To: <003e01c8d620$f4eb0680$8cffa859@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <003e01c8d620$f4eb0680$8cffa859@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <BAY144-W43C7CE1C1286F8B1071B7F95A00@phx.gbl>


Hi Craig, You must have mis understood  the owner  of this engine...... It is on the foreign exchange program you see.  An engine goes over to your side of the pond and one HAS to come over to our side  to balance the gravity! 
                                      Poor ole Steve, the destitute cloistered oyster
 
 
 
 
 
> From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:37:21 +0100> Subject: [SEL] the weekend> > Hi guys,> This weekend I was at the 1000engine show at Astle Park, the weather was not that great but the engines were good. One surprise that I got was an engine that was imported from the U.S in late 2007, as it came from Ashville N.C now I would have thought the cloistered oyster brothers would not have let it out of the state not to mention the country.> > Cheers Craig in Scotland> > > P.S; with the rising cost of fuel maybe it was one of them that wsa selling priceless artefacts.> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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The other season of giving begins 6/24/08. Check out the i?m Talkathon.
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From driggars at wildblue.net  Wed Jun 25 09:07:23 2008
From: driggars at wildblue.net (Clint D)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:07:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Western Union money order from Oz for engine parts
In-Reply-To: <000701c8d6bc$3d1bffe0$0200a8c0@altech>
References: <005301c8d530$e686f590$0200a8c0@altech><485FA941.20301@scrtc.com><7.0.1.0.1.20080624081643.022d5330@ncable.com.au><1214289272.48609578e7ef4@webmail.city-net.com><002e01c8d5f8$eb512af0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>	<1214383580.486205dc7c10a@webmail.city-net.com>
	<000701c8d6bc$3d1bffe0$0200a8c0@altech>
Message-ID: <48626D3B.1030602@wildblue.net>

And then paypal charges a % of the final sale price including the 
shipping costs!


Peter Lowe wrote:
> They aleady have a large piece of the action Arnie, they charge you to place 
> an advert, they take a commission off the sale and now they slog you for 
> using PayPal to pay for it. Do they need any more.!!!!
>
> Pete, Oz
>
>
>
>   
>> heh-heh-heh
>>
>> I'll bet it would have been a hoot to be in the eBay corporate boardroom 
>> when
>> they were talking about how scammers were making money off eBay clients. 
>> I can
>> just hear the discussions along the lines of "Man, how can WE get a piece 
>> of
>> that action?!?!
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> Quoting Chuck Balyeat <kerogas at sbcglobal.net>:
>>
>>     
>>>>> I think the eBay flap was over scammers using bogus western union 
>>>>> money
>>>>> orders in conjunction with eBay auctions.
>>>>>           
>>> Oh loahdy loahdy somebody please come and po-tects me !
>>> Gimme a break , they dont care if youre that stupid .
>>>  It's all about the float  .
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>   


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Jun 25 10:05:56 2008
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:05:56 +0100
Subject: [SEL] the weekend
References: <003e01c8d620$f4eb0680$8cffa859@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <003b01c8d6e5$bee28430$742d0556@intrepid>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "craig morrison" <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:37 PM
Subject: [SEL] the weekend


> Hi guys,
>            This weekend I was at the 1000engine show at Astle Park, the weather was not that great but the engines were good. One 
> surprise that I got was an engine that was imported from the U.S in late 2007, as it came from Ashville N.C now I would have 
> thought the cloistered oyster brothers would not have let it out of the state not to mention the country.
> Cheers Craig in Scotland
> P.S; with the rising cost of fuel maybe it was one of them that wsa selling priceless artefacts.

Hi Craig, I haven't had time to name most of the pictures but the pictures I took at Astle Park are on
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/563901673vfyHVp
The first pictures are the "rare as Dobby Horse Shit" Atkinson Cycle in the Anson tent.
I also liked the horizontal Lister D, but then I always did have a sense of humo(u)r.
Many other good engines, in fact after 24 years of attending the 1000 I must
have seen about 5 engines new to me every year including this one.
Lets hope we get better weather next year
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv



From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Wed Jun 25 11:06:13 2008
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim Kirkes)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:06:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] the weekend
References: <003e01c8d620$f4eb0680$8cffa859@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
	<003b01c8d6e5$bee28430$742d0556@intrepid>
Message-ID: <021201c8d6ee$286690b0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a>

Hi Dave,

What does the small shaft do that is belted to the flywheel 
of the Atkinson engine.  Probably a govenor but I can't see 
enough detail to tell.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, California U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] the weekend


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "craig morrison" <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:37 PM
Subject: [SEL] the weekend


> Hi guys,
>            This weekend I was at the 1000engine show at 
> Astle Park, the weather was not that great but the engines 
> were good. One
> surprise that I got was an engine that was imported from 
> the U.S in late 2007, as it came from Ashville N.C now I 
> would have
> thought the cloistered oyster brothers would not have let 
> it out of the state not to mention the country.
> Cheers Craig in Scotland
> P.S; with the rising cost of fuel maybe it was one of them 
> that wsa selling priceless artefacts.

Hi Craig, I haven't had time to name most of the pictures 
but the pictures I took at Astle Park are on
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/563901673vfyHVp
The first pictures are the "rare as Dobby Horse Shit" 
Atkinson Cycle in the Anson tent.
I also liked the horizontal Lister D, but then I always did 
have a sense of humo(u)r.
Many other good engines, in fact after 24 years of attending 
the 1000 I must
have seen about 5 engines new to me every year including 
this one.
Lets hope we get better weather next year
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

_______________________________________________
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From curt at rustyiron.com  Wed Jun 25 12:23:52 2008
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:23:52 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [SEL] the weekend
In-Reply-To: <003e01c8d620$f4eb0680$8cffa859@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <003e01c8d620$f4eb0680$8cffa859@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <60467.168.215.206.73.1214421832.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>

Craig,
Thanks to numerous sweet female distractions, this one made it thru to you.
If it wasn't for the high turnover rate of "oysterized" women none of us
in western NC would a chance at all of having any engines. In fact it is
common knowledge 'round here, that when a desirable engine becomes
available, we simply engage the services a gorgeous gal to distract the
cloistered oyster, until the engine deal is complete. So there you have
it, one of the best kept engine collecting secrets is out of the bag now.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


> Hi guys,
>             This weekend I was at the 1000engine show at Astle Park, the
> weather was not that great but the engines were good. One
> surprise that I got was an engine that was imported from the
> U.S in late 2007, as it came from Asheville N.C now I would
> have thought the cloistered oyster brothers would not have let
> it out of the state not to mention the country.
>
> Cheers Craig in Scotland
>
>
> P.S; with the rising cost of fuel maybe it was one of them that wsa
> selling priceless artefacts.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Wed Jun 25 12:51:09 2008
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:51:09 +0100
Subject: [SEL] the weekend
References: <003e01c8d620$f4eb0680$8cffa859@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O><003b01c8d6e5$bee28430$742d0556@intrepid>
	<021201c8d6ee$286690b0$6a00a8c0@your46e94owx6a>
Message-ID: <000d01c8d6fc$d1cc7800$742d0556@intrepid>

It seems to be 2 rotating weights that expand from centrifugal force moving  
a fork sideways to adjust the carb.
Dave Croft
Warrington
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Kirkes" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] the weekend


> Hi Dave,
> 
> What does the small shaft do that is belted to the flywheel 
> of the Atkinson engine.  Probably a govenor but I can't see 
> enough detail to tell.
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, California U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Croft" <dave.croft at ntlworld.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] the weekend
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "craig morrison" <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:37 PM
> Subject: [SEL] the weekend
> 
> 
>> Hi guys,
>>            This weekend I was at the 1000engine show at 
>> Astle Park, the weather was not that great but the engines 
>> were good. One
>> surprise that I got was an engine that was imported from 
>> the U.S in late 2007, as it came from Ashville N.C now I 
>> would have
>> thought the cloistered oyster brothers would not have let 
>> it out of the state not to mention the country.
>> Cheers Craig in Scotland
>> P.S; with the rising cost of fuel maybe it was one of them 
>> that wsa selling priceless artefacts.
> 
> Hi Craig, I haven't had time to name most of the pictures 
> but the pictures I took at Astle Park are on
> http://good-times.webshots.com/album/563901673vfyHVp
> The first pictures are the "rare as Dobby Horse Shit" 
> Atkinson Cycle in the Anson tent.
> I also liked the horizontal Lister D, but then I always did 
> have a sense of humo(u)r.
> Many other good engines, in fact after 24 years of attending 
> the 1000 I must
> have seen about 5 engines new to me every year including 
> this one.
> Lets hope we get better weather next year
> Dave Croft
> Warrington
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/
> http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv
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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 25 13:22:34 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:22:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] the weekend
References: <003e01c8d620$f4eb0680$8cffa859@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
	<60467.168.215.206.73.1214421832.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <000801c8d701$3484b2b0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

 And they dont rent pigs , so dont ask .

> Craig,
> Thanks to numerous sweet female distractions, this one made it thru to 
> you.
> If it wasn't for the high turnover rate of "oysterized" women none of us
> in western NC would a chance at all of having any engines. In fact it is
> common knowledge 'round here, that when a desirable engine becomes
> available, we simply engage the services a gorgeous gal to distract the
> cloistered oyster, until the engine deal is complete. So there you have
> it, one of the best kept engine collecting secrets is out of the bag now.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
 



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Tue Jun 24 02:45:52 2008
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:45:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Can You Imagine That?
In-Reply-To: <35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
References: <45B0FF96-F789-4F8C-8D25-092E83ACD419@alltel.net>
	<35B7FBDF-BC6E-4C18-834C-2DD887E50D61@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <BE61716138184C3A8E8D715C03CD383A@KerryPC>

G'Day, Dave Rob

You both have done well with the video's looks good and engines running well

Dave, she looks to have a new finish, what did you do?

Kerry




>
>> See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmnXH5kNNsI
>> Dave
>
> Damn, Dave!  That's one fine lookin' engine.  You've got her running
> slooooooow.
>
> As long as we're engaging in shameless YouTube self-promotion, here's
> a video I promised a week ago: 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiK9J1cuYL0&fmt=18
>
> And here's a video of a scene hog, shot by Christian Williams:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPhTdUTFZZQ&fmt=18
>



From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Jun 25 14:26:09 2008
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:26:09 +0100
Subject: [SEL] the weekend
References: <003e01c8d620$f4eb0680$8cffa859@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
	<60467.168.215.206.73.1214421832.squirrel@www.rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <001001c8d70a$17e57e60$10656e58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Curt,
Now that the secret is out you have no chance of having a sniff of a new 
engine from any surrounding states if they know!!!
By the way the engine in question is a Stover and the owner comes from the 
south east of Scotland (no where near me ,and I wasn't involved with the 
procurement of the engine).
Craig
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <curt at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] the weekend


> Craig,
> Thanks to numerous sweet female distractions, this one made it thru to 
> you.
> If it wasn't for the high turnover rate of "oysterized" women none of us
> in western NC would a chance at all of having any engines. In fact it is
> common knowledge 'round here, that when a desirable engine becomes
> available, we simply engage the services a gorgeous gal to distract the
> cloistered oyster, until the engine deal is complete. So there you have
> it, one of the best kept engine collecting secrets is out of the bag now.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
>
>> Hi guys,
>>             This weekend I was at the 1000engine show at Astle Park, the
>> weather was not that great but the engines were good. One
>> surprise that I got was an engine that was imported from the
>> U.S in late 2007, as it came from Asheville N.C now I would
>> have thought the cloistered oyster brothers would not have let
>> it out of the state not to mention the country.
>>
>> Cheers Craig in Scotland
>>
>>
>> P.S; with the rising cost of fuel maybe it was one of them that wsa
>> selling priceless artefacts.
>> _______________________________________________
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Jun 26 22:56:04 2008
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:56:04 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Western Union money order from Oz for engine parts
In-Reply-To: <48626D3B.1030602@wildblue.net>
References: <005301c8d530$e686f590$0200a8c0@altech><485FA941.20301@scrtc.com><7.0.1.0.1.20080624081643.022d5330@ncable.com.au><1214289272.48609578e7ef4@webmail.city-net.com><002e01c8d5f8$eb512af0$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>
	<1214383580.486205dc7c10a@webmail.city-net.com>
	<000701c8d6bc$3d1bffe0$0200a8c0@altech>
	<48626D3B.1030602@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <1214546164.486480f4be174@webmail.city-net.com>

Clint,  Get the FREE PayPal account.  No fees or charges whatsoever.

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Clint D <driggars at wildblue.net>:

> And then paypal charges a % of the final sale price including the 
> shipping costs!




From fgreatwestern at comcast.net  Fri Jun 27 14:42:35 2008
From: fgreatwestern at comcast.net (fgreatwestern at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:42:35 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Moore "Sure-Cool" engine
Message-ID: <062720082142.25746.48655ECA000F2498000064922207021573029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net>

Does anyone on the list have any info about these engines?  I am particularly interested in the 3 HP
model and the correct carburetor for it.  I know of one but don't know if it has the correct carb.  It has a Lunkenheimer on it.  Any information will be appreciated.  Thanks.

From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 27 16:01:31 2008
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:01:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Moore "Sure-Cool" engine
In-Reply-To: <062720082142.25746.48655ECA000F2498000064922207021573029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net>
References: <062720082142.25746.48655ECA000F2498000064922207021573029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY144-W38F367806D3E50A1816E0B95A20@phx.gbl>


Bill Bird Recently sold one to Kenny Wolfe and he may still have it, I don't have his contact info but maybe someone else does. Steve> From: fgreatwestern at comcast.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:42:35 +0000> Subject: [SEL] Moore "Sure-Cool" engine> > Does anyone on the list have any info about these engines? I am particularly interested in the 3 HP> model and the correct carburetor for it. I know of one but don't know if it has the correct carb. It has a Lunkenheimer on it. Any information will be appreciated. Thanks.> _______________________________________________> SEL mailing list> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From fgreatwestern at comcast.net  Fri Jun 27 20:13:54 2008
From: fgreatwestern at comcast.net (fgreatwestern at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 03:13:54 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Moore "Sure-Cool" engine
Message-ID: <062820080313.10218.4865AC72000051DF000027EA2213484373029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net>

Thanks, Steve.  I'll try to check on it.  Say "Hello" to Bill for me.
Fred Schultz in MI

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Steve Royster <steve_royster at hotmail.com> 

> 
> Bill Bird Recently sold one to Kenny Wolfe and he may still have it, I don't 
> have his contact info but maybe someone else does. Steve> From: 
> fgreatwestern at comcast.net> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Date: Fri, 27 
> Jun 2008 21:42:35 +0000> Subject: [SEL] Moore "Sure-Cool" engine> > Does anyone 
> on the list have any info about these engines? I am particularly interested in 
> the 3 HP> model and the correct carburetor for it. I know of one but don't know 
> if it has the correct carb. It has a Lunkenheimer on it. Any information will be 
> appreciated. Thanks.> _______________________________________________> SEL 
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From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Jun 25 14:47:01 2008
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:47:01 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Ozzie help needed
Message-ID: <002101c8d70d$007148b0$10656e58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi Guys,
    I am trying to trace the owner of an engine that was pictured in the TOMM in dec 1999 / jan 2000 at the Lake Goldsmith rally, it is an engine named " The Angus ".
    As far as I know apart from this one the only other survivor is awaiting restoration in my shop, but this is where my problems start as the one down under appears to be in running order mine is not. The parts that I would need to complete this project are a fuel mixer and a complete governor system (either hit  & miss or throttle ?? ).
    Any help on this would be very much appreciated as so far this project has been on the go for the last 6 years on and off and I would like to get it finished but am unsure which way to proceed, I have had many suggestions from knowledgeable people on this side of the pond many contradicting the previous persons thought.
     The engine that I have has a nice brass makers tag on it but upon tracing the company history , which is available at a museum there is absolutely no mention of this type of engine at all. So after many numerous hours of research I have come to the conclusion the engine was made by another local maker and the sold through the company on the plate
    
    Thanks in advance for any help at all on this project,
    Craig in Scotland

From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Jun 28 09:38:07 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:38:07 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Massey Harris hand pump/Bentall grinder correction
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080628183620.00befba0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Oops! small correction - The Bentall is a No.3 - not No.2


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Jun 28 08:40:04 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:40:04 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Massey Harris hand pump/Bentall grinder
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080628172525.00beacc0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         Apologies for the Off Topic but you all know that I swear by the 
knowledge available on these lists.

         I'm making wooden bases for a Massey Harris hand operated Well 
pump and a Bentall No.2 hand corn grinder and had just applied the last 
coat of varnish when I decided to do a bit of signwriting on them.

         Just the name and a short description of each unit including 
approximate years of manufacture of the 2 units. I do not want to try to 
date them exactly - just put in something to the effect that "these were 
manufactured between the years 19?? and 19??"

         This is where you guys come in! Can anyone give me some ideas of 
the manufacturing timespan (approximate is fine) that these units were 
produced??

Some pics here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/pump/index.htm>

         Thanks in advance - speedy replies will really be appreciated 
because I will then be able to finish them tonight (it's 5:25pm here)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm




From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Jun 28 16:37:04 2008
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:37:04 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ozzie help needed
In-Reply-To: <002101c8d70d$007148b0$10656e58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <002101c8d70d$007148b0$10656e58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20080629093341.0208e518@ncable.com.au>

G'day Graig,
sorry can't help. I saw your post on Harry's first, the Tomm then 
here! I had not heard of an angus engine. you got the better of me so 
I had to go check out the TOMM pic's of the engine. Sure is an 
interesting looking machine.Maybe someone here knows the name of the 
closest club to Stawell where aparently this engine maybe living?? 
Craig could then write to the club to find the owner that way??
Just a thought.
Russ


At 07:47 AM 26/06/2008, you wrote:
>Hi Guys,
>     I am trying to trace the owner of an engine that was pictured 
> in the TOMM in dec 1999 / jan 2000 at the Lake Goldsmith rally, it 
> is an engine named " The Angus ".
>     As far as I know apart from this one the only other survivor is 
> awaiting restoration in my shop, but this is where my problems 
> start as the one down under appears to be in running order mine is 
> not. The parts that I would need to complete this project are a 
> fuel mixer and a complete governor system (either hit  & miss or throttle ?? ).
>     Any help on this would be very much appreciated as so far this 
> project has been on the go for the last 6 years on and off and I 
> would like to get it finished but am unsure which way to proceed, I 
> have had many suggestions from knowledgeable people on this side of 
> the pond many contradicting the previous persons thought.
>      The engine that I have has a nice brass makers tag on it but 
> upon tracing the company history , which is available at a museum 
> there is absolutely no mention of this type of engine at all. So 
> after many numerous hours of research I have come to the conclusion 
> the engine was made by another local maker and the sold through the 
> company on the plate
>
>     Thanks in advance for any help at all on this project,
>     Craig in Scotland
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics



From sndakitto at activ8.net.au  Sun Jun 29 01:09:06 2008
From: sndakitto at activ8.net.au (Steven N Kitto)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:09:06 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ozzie help needed
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20080629093341.0208e518@ncable.com.au>
References: <002101c8d70d$007148b0$10656e58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20080629093341.0208e518@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <000301c8d9bf$6a23ef60$3e6bce20$@net.au>

Craig
Perhaps try this group, they are not far from Stawell. Got this off NHMA
site

20th and 21st September, 2008 - Dunmunkle Sump Oilers Machinery Preservation
Inc. Annual Rally.  Our annual engine and machinery rally is to be held at
our Murtoa headquarters on the 20th and 21st September, 2008 with the theme
for this event being "diesel engines and tractors".  Our larger Hornsby
Engines will again be running from time to time over the weekend.  Free on
site camping and excellent facilities are available for exhibitors.  A food
and drinks kiosk will be operating all weekend and Sunday breakfast will
again be provided to exhibitors.  For more information contact John on (03)
5358 1370 or via email to jhart at netconnect.com.au

Steve

Steve and Denise Kitto
95 Coleyville Road
Mutdapilly  QLD   Australia 4307 
Ph 07 54671541

As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.  
Proverbs 27:19
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Gilbert
Sent: Sunday, 29 June 2008 9:37
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Ozzie help needed

G'day Graig,
sorry can't help. I saw your post on Harry's first, the Tomm then 
here! I had not heard of an angus engine. you got the better of me so 
I had to go check out the TOMM pic's of the engine. Sure is an 
interesting looking machine.Maybe someone here knows the name of the 
closest club to Stawell where aparently this engine maybe living?? 
Craig could then write to the club to find the owner that way??
Just a thought.
Russ


At 07:47 AM 26/06/2008, you wrote:
>Hi Guys,
>     I am trying to trace the owner of an engine that was pictured 
> in the TOMM in dec 1999 / jan 2000 at the Lake Goldsmith rally, it 
> is an engine named " The Angus ".
>     As far as I know apart from this one the only other survivor is 
> awaiting restoration in my shop, but this is where my problems 
> start as the one down under appears to be in running order mine is 
> not. The parts that I would need to complete this project are a 
> fuel mixer and a complete governor system (either hit  & miss or throttle
?? ).
>     Any help on this would be very much appreciated as so far this 
> project has been on the go for the last 6 years on and off and I 
> would like to get it finished but am unsure which way to proceed, I 
> have had many suggestions from knowledgeable people on this side of 
> the pond many contradicting the previous persons thought.
>      The engine that I have has a nice brass makers tag on it but 
> upon tracing the company history , which is available at a museum 
> there is absolutely no mention of this type of engine at all. So 
> after many numerous hours of research I have come to the conclusion 
> the engine was made by another local maker and the sold through the 
> company on the plate
>
>     Thanks in advance for any help at all on this project,
>     Craig in Scotland
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics

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From ilifa at internode.on.net  Sun Jun 29 04:14:39 2008
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:14:39 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ozzie help needed
In-Reply-To: <000301c8d9bf$6a23ef60$3e6bce20$@net.au>
References: <002101c8d70d$007148b0$10656e58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
	<7.0.1.0.1.20080629093341.0208e518@ncable.com.au>
	<000301c8d9bf$6a23ef60$3e6bce20$@net.au>
Message-ID: <a06240800c48d1e388563@[192.168.1.2]>

Information about the owner of the Angus engine has already 
forwarded. This was done via another forum. So, I believe all is well.

Eric


From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Jun 29 10:45:25 2008
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:45:25 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Re Ozziehelp needed
Message-ID: <001c01c8da0f$e95bc7d0$511d6f58@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

Hi Guys,
            Thanks for all the help as Eric pointed out the informatio was forwarded on another forum which I also posted on for help. There must have been a delay in the post getting to the sel as both posts were sent at the same time.

    Thanks , Craig

From oldironnut at alltel.net  Sun Jun 29 17:08:02 2008
From: oldironnut at alltel.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:08:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question
In-Reply-To: <008501c8d469$770f5fd0$0401a8c0@PC126411058289>
References: <062220080304.25664.485DC149000E084F000064402200735446029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net><004501c8d416$04f14970$8fa9db0c@TOSHIBA>	<EA4F4FFE-8467-4E2D-91AB-1D33CB1FA0E9@alltel.net>
	<008501c8d469$770f5fd0$0401a8c0@PC126411058289>
Message-ID: <486823E2.9050102@alltel.net>

Howdy all,

I have a couple of igniter questions. I know that with spark plugs, a 
spark plug may have a reasonable spark outside of the cylinder but fail 
to spark inside the cylinder under compression. Is that the case with an 
igniter? I'm getting irregular spark out of the igniter on my 1907 4 hp 
IHC Famous. Although there are times when it doesn't spark at all and 
I'm not really sure which wiggle or other assorted voodoo seems to get 
it to spark, whne it sparks it seems to spark well when it's grounded 
outside of the cylinder. However, when it's installed on the engine I 
don't seem to be getting spark (plenty of gas, plenty of compression and 
timed correctly). So, back to my question, are igniters like spark plugs 
in that they may not fire correctly under compression?

That's the situation and question for educational purposes but I guess 
that the bigger and more important question is who have y'all used that 
rebuilds igniters who will be able to do it BEFORE Portland?

Thanks for the help,
Mike


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Jun 29 17:40:30 2008
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:40:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question
In-Reply-To: <486823E2.9050102@alltel.net>
References: <062220080304.25664.485DC149000E084F000064402200735446029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net><004501c8d416$04f14970$8fa9db0c@TOSHIBA>	<EA4F4FFE-8467-4E2D-91AB-1D33CB1FA0E9@alltel.net>
	<008501c8d469$770f5fd0$0401a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<486823E2.9050102@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <FC852CF9-FF26-459F-8CA2-ABE4C032B321@rustyiron.com>

On Jun 29, 2008, at 5:08 PM, Michael Tucker wrote:
> I have a couple of igniter questions. I know that with spark plugs, a
> spark plug may have a reasonable spark outside of the cylinder but  
> fail
> to spark inside the cylinder under compression. Is that the case  
> with an
> igniter? I'm getting irregular spark out of the igniter on my 1907 4  
> hp
> IHC Famous. Although there are times when it doesn't spark at all and
> I'm not really sure which wiggle or other assorted voodoo seems to get
> it to spark, whne it sparks it seems to spark well when it's grounded
> outside of the cylinder. However, when it's installed on the engine I
> don't seem to be getting spark (plenty of gas, plenty of compression  
> and
> timed correctly). So, back to my question, are igniters like spark  
> plugs
> in that they may not fire correctly under compression?
>
> That's the situation and question for educational purposes but I guess
> that the bigger and more important question is who have y'all used  
> that
> rebuilds igniters who will be able to do it BEFORE Portland?

Heya Mike,
I'm assuming that you've already checked that the trip is operating  
satisfactorily and the moving parts are moving freely.  I'm also  
assuming you've got it all clean and the contact faces are parallel  
and smooth.

In my completely unqualified, unestimated and unconsidered opinion,  
most ignitors are poorly designed.  I don't even know what an  
International ignitor looks like.  BUT... most ignitors rely on the  
current traveling through the ignitor body and the movable contact.   
Got that?  It's an electrical connection that isn't solid and is  
contaminated by oil and goop.  It makes my head hurt just thinking  
about it.

Maybe the design is good when the ignitor is new, but the more it  
wears, the worse the electrical connection becomes. you can test this  
by taking a jumper wire with alligator clips and jumping between the  
movable contact and a good ground.  If this alleviates your problem,  
you can drill the end of the shaft, tap it, and make up a permanent  
jumper by winding some old-style wire around a pencil.  It can look so  
original that no one will know it's not original.

Improvement of that connection is the main thing you get out of an  
ignitor rebuild.  You'll get new insulation, as well, but that's  
nothing that you can't do yourself in ten minutes.

Rob





From johnculp at btes.tv  Sun Jun 29 19:16:05 2008
From: johnculp at btes.tv (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:16:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question
In-Reply-To: <FC852CF9-FF26-459F-8CA2-ABE4C032B321@rustyiron.com>
References: <062220080304.25664.485DC149000E084F000064402200735446029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net><004501c8d416$04f14970$8fa9db0c@TOSHIBA>	<EA4F4FFE-8467-4E2D-91AB-1D33CB1FA0E9@alltel.net>
	<008501c8d469$770f5fd0$0401a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<486823E2.9050102@alltel.net>
	<FC852CF9-FF26-459F-8CA2-ABE4C032B321@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <519fc81ee29101f0bb1761440246935f@btes.tv>

Could it be The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys?

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA




From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Jun 29 19:45:02 2008
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:45:02 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question
References: <062220080304.25664.485DC149000E084F000064402200735446029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net><004501c8d416$04f14970$8fa9db0c@TOSHIBA>	<EA4F4FFE-8467-4E2D-91AB-1D33CB1FA0E9@alltel.net><008501c8d469$770f5fd0$0401a8c0@PC126411058289><486823E2.9050102@alltel.net><FC852CF9-FF26-459F-8CA2-ABE4C032B321@rustyiron.com>
	<519fc81ee29101f0bb1761440246935f@btes.tv>
Message-ID: <002301c8da5b$4bd8d600$726f4b47@mikecomp>

No, that's only the sound that you are hearing.......


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at btes.tv>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Ignitor question


> Could it be The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys?
> 
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> 
> 
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From rsrolfne at atnet.net  Sun Jun 29 19:48:59 2008
From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:48:59 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question
In-Reply-To: <486823E2.9050102@alltel.net>
References: <062220080304.25664.485DC149000E084F000064402200735446029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net><004501c8d416$04f14970$8fa9db0c@TOSHIBA>	<EA4F4FFE-8467-4E2D-91AB-1D33CB1FA0E9@alltel.net>	<008501c8d469$770f5fd0$0401a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<486823E2.9050102@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <4868499B.1050303@atnet.net>

Mike - I'm not a guru on the subject but found this article very well 
done.  Check out and good luck.  http://www.old-engine.com/magign.htm

Regards,

Bob



Michael Tucker wrote:
> Howdy all,
> 
> I have a couple of igniter questions. I know that with spark plugs, a 
> spark plug may have a reasonable spark outside of the cylinder but fail 
> to spark inside the cylinder under compression. Is that the case with an 
> igniter? I'm getting irregular spark out of the igniter on my 1907 4 hp 
> IHC Famous. Although there are times when it doesn't spark at all and 
> I'm not really sure which wiggle or other assorted voodoo seems to get 
> it to spark, whne it sparks it seems to spark well when it's grounded 
> outside of the cylinder. However, when it's installed on the engine I 
> don't seem to be getting spark (plenty of gas, plenty of compression and 
> timed correctly). So, back to my question, are igniters like spark plugs 
> in that they may not fire correctly under compression?
> 
> That's the situation and question for educational purposes but I guess 
> that the bigger and more important question is who have y'all used that 
> rebuilds igniters who will be able to do it BEFORE Portland?
> 
> Thanks for the help,
> Mike
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> 
> 
> 


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Jun 29 19:43:52 2008
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:43:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question
References: <062220080304.25664.485DC149000E084F000064402200735446029D0A9B9C0A999B0E0A9D0900@comcast.net><004501c8d416$04f14970$8fa9db0c@TOSHIBA>	<EA4F4FFE-8467-4E2D-91AB-1D33CB1FA0E9@alltel.net><008501c8d469$770f5fd0$0401a8c0@PC126411058289>
	<486823E2.9050102@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <002a01c8da5c$53dd0820$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

If you use the primary windings of a car coil, 12v battery, Bat- to earth, + 
to the coil, to igniter,igniter, and the engine fires up ok, then you have a 
weak LT mag/generator.(Disconnect the mag lead from the igniter first).
Most times, in my experience, this is the reason for not running.
A carbon bridge to earth, over the insulating Mica, is another
Common trouble.
Easy to check an igniter outside the engine with the battery,coil setup too.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Tucker" <oldironnut at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:08 AM
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question


> Howdy all,
>
> I have a couple of igniter questions. I know that with spark plugs, a
> spark plug may have a reasonable spark outside of the cylinder but fail
> to spark inside the cylinder under compression. Is that the case with an
> igniter? I'm getting irregular spark out of the igniter on my 1907 4 hp
> IHC Famous. Although there are times when it doesn't spark at all and
> I'm not really sure which wiggle or other assorted voodoo seems to get
> it to spark, whne it sparks it seems to spark well when it's grounded
> outside of the cylinder. However, when it's installed on the engine I
> don't seem to be getting spark (plenty of gas, plenty of compression and
> timed correctly). So, back to my question, are igniters like spark plugs
> in that they may not fire correctly under compression?
>
> That's the situation and question for educational purposes but I guess
> that the bigger and more important question is who have y'all used that
> rebuilds igniters who will be able to do it BEFORE Portland?
>
> Thanks for the help,
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From MBellar at aol.com  Mon Jun 30 08:24:55 2008
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:24:55 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question
Message-ID: <be2.2d527555.359a54c7@aol.com>

Mike;
 
I had a similar problem with my Famous. I found that the igniter casting  was 
fairly well insulated from the head by the igniter gasket and paint on the  
stud bolts. Measuring the resistance between the igniter casting and the  
cylinder head I found it to be 100+ ohms. After I removed the paint from  the studs 
and the bolt holes in the igniter casting I found the resistance  to be ~ 1 
ohm and the igniter functioned well.One can monitor the point  operating by 
placing a current meter in series with the battery or operate the  coil with a 
battery charger with a meter. It takes about 10,000 volts for a  spark to jump 1 
inch in air at standard temp. and pressure and higher voltages  are required 
at higher pressures and different atmospheres. That is why  marginal spark 
plugs may not work when installed in an engine. The magnetic  field generated by 
the coil collapses the instant the igniter opens generating  the back EMF that 
generates the spark between the igniter points and  ground. It is possible 
that the length and intensity of the spark could be  effected by the increased 
cylinder pressure, but it is not likely that no spark  will occur. ( exceptions 
include Ohio, KY and everywhere else igniter  problems occur.)
 
Tom Bellar SW Ohio
 
 



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From edurand at mchsi.com  Mon Jun 30 10:37:54 2008
From: edurand at mchsi.com (Elden DuRand)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:37:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question
In-Reply-To: <be2.2d527555.359a54c7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OIEFKKHCGPIPGBDJOBHBOECDHCAA.edurand@mchsi.com>

Mike:

Take a look here for more than you needed to know about ignitors (or less, if you're from S.W. Ohio, Winemucca, NV or upstate New York.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/Otherstuff/LT%20Scope%20Pictures/LT%20Scope%20Pictures.html

Take care - Elden
http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On
>  Behalf Of
> MBellar at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:25 AM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Ignitor question
> 
> 
> Mike;
>  
...............................................................snippety snip....................

> It is possible 
> that the length and intensity of the spark could 
> be  effected by the increased 
> cylinder pressure, but it is not likely that no 
> spark  will occur. ( exceptions 
> include Ohio, KY and everywhere else igniter  
> problems occur.)
>  
> Tom Bellar SW Ohio




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Jun 30 10:29:18 2008
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:29:18 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Good stuff happens! Again
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080630191751.00befd20@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi Everyone,
         I must've done something good sometime. Look what's just come my way.

         An old South Bend 13" x 6' lathe will find a spot in my shop in 
the next few days.

         Story and pics here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/sbend/index.htm>


Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm




From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Jun 30 13:55:48 2008
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:55:48 EDT
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question
Message-ID: <ca9.2afb84b0.359aa254@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/29/2008 10:54:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes:

If you  use the primary windings of a car coil, 12v battery, Bat- to earth, + 
to  the coil, to igniter,igniter, and the engine fires up ok, then you have a 
 
weak LT mag/generator


Reg,
 
I use this trick many times, but I have a question concerning this hook  up.  
Some ignitor points are normally open, and some are normally  closed.  The 
ones that are normally closed will burn the points when hooked  to the 
battery/coil because the circuit is closed until it trips.  The ones  that are normally 
open do not burn because the circuit is only closed for an  instant when it 
trips.  So, my question is what determines the normally  open points versus the 
normally closed points?  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord,  Va.
germaoamer at AOL.com




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From kerogas at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 30 14:54:22 2008
From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (Chuck Balyeat)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:54:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question
References: <ca9.2afb84b0.359aa254@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001001c8dafb$dbb7ee50$1001a8c0@gatewayf7e8d8b>

  So, my question is what determines the normally  open points versus the
> normally closed points?
> > Tom


If the points are NO ,she is set up for a low tension ignitor and battery .
If they are NC it's set up for a L/T mag .
And like ya said it will cook your coil , run down the battery and blister 
the points if you mix it up



Chuck Balyeat
http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm 



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Jun 30 15:05:18 2008
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:05:18 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor question
References: <ca9.2afb84b0.359aa254@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00c901c8dafd$64fccf90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

The igniters that are normally closed run off an LT mag. points normally 
closed stayed cleaner.
Normally open worked ok with battery or mag.
For test purposes, the battery test does no harm.
If you dont want to use a car coil Primary, use a ballast out of a light. I 
run a lot of models on these.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Ignitor question


>
> In a message dated 6/29/2008 10:54:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes:
>
> If you  use the primary windings of a car coil, 12v battery, Bat- to 
> earth, +
> to  the coil, to igniter,igniter, and the engine fires up ok, then you 
> have a
>
> weak LT mag/generator
>
>
> Reg,
>
> I use this trick many times, but I have a question concerning this hook 
> up.
> Some ignitor points are normally open, and some are normally  closed.  The
> ones that are normally closed will burn the points when hooked  to the
> battery/coil because the circuit is closed until it trips.  The ones  that 
> are normally
> open do not burn because the circuit is only closed for an  instant when 
> it
> trips.  So, my question is what determines the normally  open points 
> versus the
> normally closed points?
>
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord,  Va.
> germaoamer at AOL.com
>
>
>
>
> **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
> fuel-efficient used cars. 
> (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
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